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>>DAVID WILCOCK: Allright, welcome to the show.
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I'm David Wilcock.
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And we are absolutely
having fun here.
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This is all newinformation, even for people
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who think they know it all.
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I think we're just peeling awaythe layers of the onion here.
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And it gets more and more
interesting as we go.
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I'm here with Corey Goode.
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And we are discussing
insider information
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that he gained through his workin the Secret Space Program,
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or what's often
abbreviated to SSP.
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Corey, this Secret
Space Program,
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how does something
like this get started?
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If our conventional
technology seems
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to be so primitive as farspace travel is concerned,
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did the space program
actually have some help?
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Was there some
outside assistance
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that allowed it to
develop this far at such
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an early time in history?
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>>COREY GOODE: Actually,
the reason there's
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such a wide range
in technologies
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in the Secret Space Programand what we have down here
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is that this is a completebreakaway society.
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>>DAVID: What does a
breakaway society mean?
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>>GOODE: It is a society thatis so divergent from the one
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that it came from that it's acompletely different society
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that runs on totally
different technology,
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different social dynamics,different control systems, that
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are unrelated to the onesthat it came from before.
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It broke away.
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And it's now existing
separate from.
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>>DAVID: What
might be an example
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of a different social dynamic?
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>>GOODE: Well it's definitelymore of a controlled,
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totalitarian regime.
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>>DAVID: Really?
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>>GOODE: Yeah, yeah.
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The current era
breakaway civilization
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really began in Germany,
as far back as the '20s,
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but especially in the '30s.
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There were some of the
German secret societies
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that were doing a lot of
really interesting work.
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They were some of the firstthat didn't separate science
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and what our mainstream scienceconsiders esoteric spirituality
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kind of topics.
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They intertwined them.
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And they had some
groups that were
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doing channeling,
trying to contact groups
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from other worlds.
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And they were also scouring theEarth for texts-- ancient texts
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from the East that hadtalked about ancient Vimana
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and other craft that they hopedthat they could get information
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from to engineer craft from.
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>>DAVID: One of the mostcontentious pieces of research
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that I came across dealing withGerman occult societies was
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apparently one of the top
occultists in the time,
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who later advised Hitler,saw a talk by Gurdjieff.
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And Gurdjieff described
this grand hypothesis
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of a symbol that was showing up,a sacred symbol, literally all
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over the world.
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All these different ancientcultures had this symbol that
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the Hindus called the"sah-wah-STEE-ka," or swastika.
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Do you think that the Germansin these occult societies,
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by seeing this almost worldwideprevalence of one symbol,
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were they
reconstructing what they
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felt was the traces of aworldwide ancient advanced
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civilization of some kind?
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>>GOODE: I don't
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But I know that as far
back as the late '20s,
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and through the '30s,
some of these secret
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societies were alreadywell into expeditions all
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across the world, lookingfor ancient texts and relics
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that they could start topiece information together
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to create technology from,
modern technology from.
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>>DAVID: Also I did
a ancient aliens
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episode not too long
ago on something
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called the German Roswell.
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And I'm wondering ifyou'd ever heard of that.
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>>GOODE: I believe it's 1936,a crash in the Black Forest.
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>>DAVID: Right, on Eva Braun'sfamily's land, apparently.
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And she later became
Hitler's wife.
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>>GOODE: I read that
there was a crash
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and that there was technologyrecovered in the glass pad.
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But most of my knowledge
goes to the contact
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that was made through
the channeling, where
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they made contact with
another civilization,
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and ended up arranging
meetings with them
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and also, through
their expeditions,
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ended up making contact
in the Himalayas
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with the ancient
breakaway civilization
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that a lot of people callthe Nordics that they started
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to work with.
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They were working with thesetwo different groups that
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helped them put this together.
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>>DAVID: One of the most commonthings the critics keep saying
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is Corey has no proof.
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But when you're
describing channeling,
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this is something that peoplecan go and read for themselves.
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It wasn't all kept
secret, right?
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>>GOODE: No, a lot ofthis is out in mainstream.
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And people, I think, havewritten books and stuff about.
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>>DAVID: So this is
the Vril Society--
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>>GOODE: The Vril Society.
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>>DAVID: --Maria Orsic.
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>>GOODE: Right.
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>>DAVID: Can you tell us whatyou know about the channeling,
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like did they form a
contact with some sort
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of extraterrestrial group?
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>>GOODE: Yes, they made contactwith one of the Draco Alliance
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groups.
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And it was when
they drew a picture
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of the face, a lot
of people today
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say it looks like the
Gray, or the Reptoids,
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which look very
much like the Grays,
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except they're
reptilian looking.
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>>DAVID: Was that
group here already
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before they made contact?
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Or did the contact draw themover to our solar system?
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>>GOODE: The Draco,according to the glass pad--
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smart glass pad-- had beenhere at least 375,000 years.
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And they considered
Earth theirs.
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>>DAVID: What do they look like?
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Where are they from?
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What's their story?
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>>GOODE: Well the
Draco are-- most people
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picture them as only theselarge reptilian group.
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But the Draco
Alliance is made up
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of a lot of different beings.
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Most of them have some sortof reptilian blood in them,
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some sort of reptilian genetics.
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And I guess you could saythey're very genetic purists.
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They like to have
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in their alliance that havesome sort of reptilian genetics.
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But there have also beenother insectoid-type beings
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that have been associated
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>>DAVID: When you
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you're talking about
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>>GOODE: Right.
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>>DAVID: But with areptile-type appearance to it?
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>>GOODE: Right.
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Reptilian skin,
reptilian eyes, muscular
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build, reptilian disposition--very aggressive--
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and what a lot of
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would a picture as a demon.
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That's probably where a lotof the demon and devil ideas
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came from, the way they weredepicted in medieval art.
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>>DAVID: And you
also said Reptoid
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as if it was somethingdifferent from reptilian.
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So could you explain
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>>GOODE: Yeah the
Reptoids look--
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they have a more narrow
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and eyes that are larger.
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They look a lot like whatpeople picture as the alien
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that you would see stampedon a sign at Roswell,
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the typical Gray.
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>>DAVID: But there
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between a Gray and a Reptoid?
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>>GOODE: Definitely.
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And there are a whole
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that get thrown into
the Gray category.
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There's a lot of
confusion with Grays.
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There are quite a
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of beings that get tossedinto that category.
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>>DAVID: So why
is the term Draco
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being used for these people?
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>>GOODE: I don't know
the genesis of the name.
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I don't know if the name issomething that came from them
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or comes from a more
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I don't know where the
actual name comes from.
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I have heard all
of the stuff that's
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on the internet about
the Draco star cluster
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and that kind of stuff.
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But I don't know for certain.
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>>DAVID: But the term Dracosounds a lot like dragon.
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>>GOODE: It does.
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>>DAVID: And Dracula, I guess,would be another similar thing.
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>>GOODE: But I don't knowwhich-- the chicken or the egg,
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I don't know which came first.
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>>DAVID: This obviouslystarts to get immediately
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into the David
Icke kind of stuff.
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To your personalknowledge, are there people
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on Earth that arereptilians that shape shift
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to look like human beings?
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>>GOODE: The only
type of shape shifting
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that we encountered
when we interrogated
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intercepted beings was donethrough a technological means.
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>>DAVID: OK.
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So this idea that the
so-called Illuminati are
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in fact reptilians that aremasquerading as human beings
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and they don't look
like that at all
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is not anything you encounteredin your line of work?
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>>GOODE: It's not
anything I encountered.
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>>DAVID: So just
briefly, if you have--
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we've talked about
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but they have birdlike features.
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Now we're talking
about reptilians
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that look human but
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Is the biome that
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meaning single-celled organisms,algae, vegetables, plants,
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mammals, fish, birds,reptiles-- is that type of thing
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a fairly common
pattern for worlds that
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are Earth-like in our galaxy?
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>>GOODE: Yes.
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And it seems to be
some sort of-- there's
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some sort of humanoid template.
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>>DAVID: Right,
so different types
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of beings that we
see on Earth could
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evolve into a human-like form,depending on the conditions
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of that planet.
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>>GOODE: Right.
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>>DAVID: And you'resaying the Draco basically
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were like interstellar
racists and found
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others who had evolved
out of reptilian
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life or insectoid-type life.
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And that was their
preferred group.
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>>GOODE: Right.
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Or they geneticallyinterfered, one or the other.
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>>DAVID: What was their
objective in coming here
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in the first place?
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What did they want
from our solar system
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or from humans on Earth?
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>>GOODE: Conquests,furthering their dynasty,
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their Draco alliance
was-- they're all
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about spreading their empire.
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>>DAVID: So the German
occult societies--
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were they contacted,
or did they try
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to make contact with the Draco?
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How did that actually happen?
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>>GOODE: They reached out andmade contact, consciously,
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to this group.
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>>DAVID: Through
this Vril Society?
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>>GOODE: Right.
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>>DAVID: And you
also said that there
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was a Nordic-looking group?
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>>GOODE: The German
secret societies
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had been doing a whole
bunch of expeditions.
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And as they were in the
area of the Himalayans,
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they ran into a group
of Nordic-looking beings
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that presentedthemselves as alien, ETs.
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And they were actually a ancienthuman breakaway civilization
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that had existed under theHimalayas for tens of thousands
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of years.
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>>DAVID: Under the Himalayas?
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>>GOODE: Right, and furtheron in a network of cities
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connected underneath the ground.
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>>DAVID: Had theyreoccupied the stuff that
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was built by the so-called
ancient builder race?
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>>GOODE: Yes, but
they had actually
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built out a very, verysophisticated, high-tech--
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they were a very sophisticated,
high-tech civilization
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on their own.
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And they built out their ownhigh-tech infrastructure.
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>>DAVID: But this was oneof these underground areas,
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as you said before, that hasthe bioluminescent bacteria
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and has trees and running waterand its own evolutionary path
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of animals and fish and birdsand all that kind of stuff?
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>>GOODE: But there's was
closer to the surface,
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underneath mountains
and networks
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that reached down to that area.
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And they called theirselvesthe Agartha Network.
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>>DAVID: Really?
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>>GOODE: That was accordingto the documentation.
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And they had a spacefleet, or a space program,
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that they called
the Silver Fleet.
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>>DAVID: This sounds a lot likepeople who have been contacted
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by what they think
are extraterrestrials,
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the so-called Nordic ET
is a pretty common thing
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to hear about.
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>>GOODE: Yes, that happeneda lot by this group that
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pretended to be ETs.
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And later on that also happenedby this German group that
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created a breakawaycivilization using technology
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they obtained from the Draco
and this Agarthan group
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under the Himalayans.
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>>DAVID: Do you think theseAgarthans are the reason why
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the Germans became so obsessedwith blonde hair and blue eyes
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and said it was a master race?
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>>GOODE: Most likely.
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>>DAVID: What did theAgarthans tell the Germans
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about themselves?
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Where did they say
they were from?
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>>GOODE: I believe
they said they
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were from the Pleiades orsomething like that originally.
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>>DAVID: So take us now throughthe origin of the space program
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based on these contacts.
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First of all, did the
Draco and the Agarthans
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get along with each other?
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Did they know about each other?
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Did they have some
kind of partnership?
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>>GOODE: They had
an understanding.
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They weren't allies.
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The Draco do not to play
well with others that
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don't bow before their feet.
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But they had an understandingto stay out of each other's hair
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and scales.
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>>DAVID: So how does thisturn into space travel?
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Who gave the Germans the
space travel capability?
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How did that develop?
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Because obviously they're notgoing to build a space program
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without space travel.
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>>GOODE: Right.
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Well the Germans, they
were very intelligent.
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And they had already made somepretty excellent discoveries
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on their own from observingnature and the fact that,
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unlike in the West-- like I saidbefore-- they didn't separate
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science from spiritualityand some esoteric beliefs.
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They actually would use someesoteric beliefs, some of what
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we would call magic
or black magic,
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at the same time
they used science.
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They mixed it.
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And this actually
gave them an edge.
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>>DAVID: Did you ever
run across the work
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of Viktor Schauberger in anyof the documentation you saw?
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>>GOODE: Yes.
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Yeah, he originally studiedthe fish, or the trout,
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travelling up the stream,up the waterfalls and stuff.
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>>DAVID: It appears
that Schauberger
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saw that there was some kind ofantigravity effect with trout
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and salmon swimming up
a 30 foot high waterfall
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and just gliding their way up.
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>>GOODE: Yeah, OK.
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>>DAVID: So did youencounter any information
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suggesting that Schauberger
was on the right track,
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that he actually did
invent something real?
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>>GOODE: There
were not only him.
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There were several
German and Polish
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and I believe other
scientists that
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were having some pretty goodinteresting breakthroughs that
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had that information
confiscated and brought
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into these secret societies.
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>>DAVID: Did these
extraterrestrial groups,
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like the Draco
and the Agarthans,
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give assistance to the
Germans at some point
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so they could perfect or make agreater development of progress
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with what they were
already working on?
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>>GOODE: Yes.
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They had already started tobuild some pretty interesting
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devices based on someancient texts and information
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they had found on the Vimana,
creating mercury vortex
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electrogravitic
devices that created
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a gravity-canceling technology.
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>>DAVID: When you
say mercury vortex,
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what are you referring to?
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What would this
technology look like
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if we were going to see it?
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>>GOODE: Basically in a glasscylinder with mercury in it,
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they would spin it atextremely high velocities and--
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>>DAVID: Like a
ring, a glass ring?
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>>GOODE: In a glass cylinder.
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>>DAVID: Oh, a
vertical cylinder.
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>>GOODE: Right.
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>>DAVID: OK.
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>>GOODE: Or sometimes in a--
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>>DAVID: Sphere?
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>>GOODE: Sphere.
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But usually it
was in a cylinder.
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And then form the
top and the bottom
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they would spin it at
very high velocities
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and then apply very
high voltage to it.
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>>DAVID: And that
causes the antigravity?
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>>GOODE: Yes.
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And then they started doingcounter rotating copper
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plates as well--
involved in it as well.
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>>DAVID: So I know
one of the books
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that I've seen that really talksabout this Bell craft quite
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a bit is "The Hunt forZero Point," by Nick Cook.
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He's done a lot of
really original research
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on this subject.
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To your knowledge, when
was the first Bell craft
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actually constructed andbecame operational, at least
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they got some kind of
an effect out of it?
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>>GOODE: Not quite sure.
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I can't really rememberthe exact dates and details
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from what I was reading.
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They were doing that
stuff in the early '40s.
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I do remember some of theaccounts I read about the Bell.
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I remember they had
several that they
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had tethered that had brokeloose from the tethering
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and had pretty much
just disappeared.
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>>DAVID: Really?
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>>GOODE: And then
they had others.
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It was a process, a
scientific process.
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And supposedly therewere some scientists that
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died from getting too close.
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And they had some explosions.
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They had a lot of problems
getting that started.
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>>DAVID: Did they
have little propellers
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that whirled the mercuryaround inside the cylinder?
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Or how did they make it move?
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>>GOODE: From what
I understood, there
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was an actual huge electricalcable that went to it
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and fed electricity to motorsthat spun very high RPMs
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and spun the mercury around.
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And interesting
thing that happened,
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something that was
dealt with later,
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is they discovered that heavyelectricity-- I mean seriously
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heavy electricity--
applied to mercury
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causes the mercury
to turn into gold.
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>>DAVID: Really?
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Like alchemy.
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>>GOODE: Like alchemy.
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And these cylinders,
glass cylinders,
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kept the mercury-- kept turningto a coral-looking gold.
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And this was seen as a problem.
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Creating gold was
seen as a problem.
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>>DAVID: Why?
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Why would that matter?
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Wouldn't they want gold?
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>>GOODE: No, they needed agolem metal, liquid metal,
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that would stay liquid athigh temperatures, high RPMs,
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and that would conductelectricity for long periods
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of time without transmuting.
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And they eventually engineereda different liquid metal.
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>>DAVID: But what would
happen to the craft
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if it starts turning into gold?
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>>GOODE: It becomes
unstable and crashes.
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>>DAVID: Really?
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Very interesting.
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Did the Draco or the Agarthansgive them direct assistance
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to make this Bell
craft work better,
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to solve the gold
problem, as one example?
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>>GOODE: Yes.
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It was after they got
to a certain point
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of technological achievementand ongoing diplomatic relations
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with both these groups
that they started
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getting scientific help inthe form of liaisons coming in
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and helping them, almostlike scientist exchanges.
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And once they developed astable, working, antigravitic
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craft, they then started
to form more and more
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of breakaway society fromthe German dictatorship,
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or the German
leadership, and started
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to keep more things secretand do things their own way.
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>>DAVID: So you're sayingthis is not necessarily Nazi?
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>>GOODE: No.
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>>DAVID: It's more the German,occult secret societies?
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>>GOODE: Right, those
secret societies
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ended up creating Nazism.
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>>DAVID: But Nazism broke awayfrom them somehow and didn't
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adhere to what they wanted?
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>>GOODE: I guess.
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That was more of a mainstreamgovernment, control the people
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kind of thing.
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They were more
interested in starting
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their own breakaway
civilization that
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had nothing to do
with any groups,
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to have their own civilization,their own master race,
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their own space program.
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They had high ideas.
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>>DAVID: In "The Hunt forZero Point," Nick Cook,
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doing his research
on this Bell craft,
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said that the Nazi code
name for the project
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was Chronos, which means time.
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And he said, in the book, that--and this was based on documents
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that he was able to find--that apparently time
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started to get weird when theybegan playing around with this.
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Did you encounter anyinformation of that sort?
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>>GOODE: Yeah,
when you're playing
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with electrogravitictechnology, time and space,
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the veil between them thins.
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So you start to have anomalies.
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>>DAVID: So what would bean example of an anomaly?
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>>GOODE: Well an
anomaly would be
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you would travel-- any
time you're traveling
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at a certain speed, not onlyare you traveling a distance,
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you're traveling in time.
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And if they create a situationto where they jump from one
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place to another really quickly,they have not only jumped
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in space, but they have
also time travelled.
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>>DAVID: Wow.
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>>GOODE: So it starts toblur, the time-space veil
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starts to blur.
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>>DAVID: Well, we're outof time for this episode.
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But I think what we're
going to have to do
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is continue this discussion.
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Because we haven't
even really gotten
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into how these German
occult societies then
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made their way into space.
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And I want to just stay
right on this track.
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So next time coming
up, we're going
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to take this very
interesting discussion
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and really blow it
out into the cosmos
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and get into informationthat until I met you I really
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had never heard before.
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This is some of the mostheavily-guarded insider stuff.
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Even the insiders who knowwhat they're talking about
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typically don't want
to tell you this.
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But we're just going torelease it all on the show.
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Because as you've
said, the Alliance
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wants this stuff
to come out now.
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And it's a great
honor to have you
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here so we can
start to bring out
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more and more of the
suppressed history
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of our own 20th century.
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So Corey, again, thank
you for being here.
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And I'm really glad that you'vedecided to do this with us.
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>>GOODE: Thank you.
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>>DAVID: All right.
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