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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,620 --> 00:00:02,413 [soft music] 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 4 00:00:12,241 --> 00:00:14,000 - [Raj Voiceover] The central part of my work 5 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:15,965 is the fact that 6 00:00:15,965 --> 00:00:18,620 no matter age, 7 00:00:18,620 --> 00:00:20,724 race, size, whatever, 8 00:00:20,724 --> 00:00:22,448 it doesn't matter. 9 00:00:22,448 --> 00:00:24,000 Your body deserves pleasure. 10 00:00:25,137 --> 00:00:26,379 - [Oscar Voiceover] The reason that I like 11 00:00:26,379 --> 00:00:29,724 providing the service is because it allows me 12 00:00:29,724 --> 00:00:33,965 to really be present with that person who's in front of me 13 00:00:33,965 --> 00:00:36,000 to make sure that I give them the most of my attention 14 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:39,206 so that they feel like they're being heard, understood. 15 00:00:40,689 --> 00:00:42,137 - [Rogue Status Voiceover] In some way or another, 16 00:00:42,137 --> 00:00:45,827 I'm kind of this sexual teacher, rubber, and leather, 17 00:00:45,827 --> 00:00:50,793 and knot tying, and shibari, and BDSM play, and limits, 18 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:53,965 and what's right, what's wrong, how to navigate 19 00:00:53,965 --> 00:00:57,172 and trust and bond with your partner in that way. 20 00:00:59,379 --> 00:01:00,931 - [Jon Voiceover] There's still that taboo of, 21 00:01:00,931 --> 00:01:03,896 oh, you hired someone for sex work. 22 00:01:03,896 --> 00:01:06,172 That must mean something about you. 23 00:01:06,172 --> 00:01:08,379 These are people that want human compassion, 24 00:01:08,379 --> 00:01:10,241 want touch, want a massage, 25 00:01:10,241 --> 00:01:13,655 want, you know, the same thing that everyone else does. 26 00:01:13,655 --> 00:01:16,448 - [Rogue Status] I think people lie to themselves 27 00:01:16,448 --> 00:01:18,103 about what their wants and needs 28 00:01:18,103 --> 00:01:20,413 and desires are for so long. 29 00:01:20,413 --> 00:01:21,931 It's a way for them 30 00:01:21,931 --> 00:01:23,724 that they can actually be themselves for a minute. 31 00:01:23,724 --> 00:01:25,206 - [Oscar] Touch doesn't always necessarily 32 00:01:25,206 --> 00:01:27,862 have to mean intimacy, and intimacy doesn't always 33 00:01:27,862 --> 00:01:29,862 have to mean a romantic situation. 34 00:01:29,862 --> 00:01:32,137 We can separate those things. 35 00:01:32,137 --> 00:01:34,517 - [Raj] That separation needs to happen. 36 00:01:34,517 --> 00:01:36,931 Sex means so many other things than what it is. 37 00:01:36,931 --> 00:01:38,965 It's just like another way of expressing yourself, 38 00:01:38,965 --> 00:01:42,103 another way that your body receives any kind of healing. 39 00:01:42,103 --> 00:01:44,896 - [Jon] Lots of people don't have the same benefits 40 00:01:44,896 --> 00:01:47,103 of just that human interaction. 41 00:01:47,103 --> 00:01:49,551 And it really is more of kind of like a healing, 42 00:01:49,551 --> 00:01:53,517 kind of relaxing, you know, human contact. 43 00:01:53,517 --> 00:01:57,448 - The more that we live behind our screens, 44 00:01:57,448 --> 00:02:00,103 the more we forget to actually keep connected. 45 00:02:01,241 --> 00:02:03,827 I think most people, in their regular lives, 46 00:02:03,827 --> 00:02:05,517 if anything, they receive a handshake. 47 00:02:05,517 --> 00:02:07,551 But for the majority of us, 48 00:02:07,551 --> 00:02:10,620 we don't really get a lot of wanted physical affection. 49 00:02:18,793 --> 00:02:20,241 So professional cuddler is someone 50 00:02:20,241 --> 00:02:24,931 who dedicates themselves to providing affection and intimacy 51 00:02:24,931 --> 00:02:27,827 in a platonic way to those who seek it 52 00:02:27,827 --> 00:02:31,000 or who find are missing it from their everyday lives. 53 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:32,689 So a lot of people have the misconception 54 00:02:32,689 --> 00:02:35,724 that it's just a coverup for sex work. 55 00:02:38,206 --> 00:02:41,206 So when we talked in the cafe, 56 00:02:41,206 --> 00:02:43,448 you mentioned that you wanna kinda start off things 57 00:02:43,448 --> 00:02:45,310 to test sort of those boundaries 58 00:02:45,310 --> 00:02:46,793 - with me. - Yes. 59 00:02:46,793 --> 00:02:49,482 - I do find that there's value in having conversations 60 00:02:49,482 --> 00:02:52,275 around sex, sexuality and sex work 61 00:02:52,275 --> 00:02:54,655 because they're part of our life 62 00:02:54,655 --> 00:02:56,620 and there's no denying them. 63 00:02:56,620 --> 00:02:58,000 But the biggest thing that I always 64 00:02:58,000 --> 00:02:59,344 have to drive home with people is that, 65 00:02:59,344 --> 00:03:03,034 no, there is room for a platonic service. 66 00:03:03,034 --> 00:03:06,517 - The service I provide is a bit more of a 67 00:03:08,413 --> 00:03:13,206 sir dom BDSM kind of clientele relationship. 68 00:03:13,206 --> 00:03:16,275 I'm mostly in charge and a sir or dom. 69 00:03:19,103 --> 00:03:20,344 I'm Raj. 70 00:03:20,344 --> 00:03:21,379 I escort. 71 00:03:21,379 --> 00:03:23,551 What it is is I hold space 72 00:03:23,551 --> 00:03:26,517 for people to experience pleasure. 73 00:03:26,517 --> 00:03:28,379 Initially, what was stopping me from doing it, 74 00:03:28,379 --> 00:03:29,620 I thought it was about, 75 00:03:29,620 --> 00:03:31,965 I'm like, "Oh, I'm not attractive enough." 76 00:03:31,965 --> 00:03:33,379 Much in the same way, initially, 77 00:03:33,379 --> 00:03:35,034 when I got into go-go dancing, it was very much about, 78 00:03:35,034 --> 00:03:37,000 okay, what does your body look like? 79 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:39,655 But then, you know, I had this realization 80 00:03:39,655 --> 00:03:44,586 where whatever it is that you uniquely give out there 81 00:03:44,586 --> 00:03:47,344 that's you, if people respond to it, 82 00:03:47,344 --> 00:03:48,827 then that's what they're looking for. 83 00:03:48,827 --> 00:03:51,862 - And that's why this kind of platform is there, 84 00:03:51,862 --> 00:03:54,275 because there's a plethora to choose from. 85 00:03:54,275 --> 00:03:55,827 Also, I just constantly remind myself 86 00:03:55,827 --> 00:03:57,793 that I'm always somebody's cup of tea. 87 00:03:59,206 --> 00:04:02,655 I'm constantly having repeat clients, which is great. 88 00:04:02,655 --> 00:04:04,000 Anyone can fuck and be a bottom, 89 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,965 but if you can actually provide a mind fuck 90 00:04:06,965 --> 00:04:09,413 at the same time, then you got something else. 91 00:04:11,137 --> 00:04:13,275 The nice thing about this work 92 00:04:13,275 --> 00:04:15,000 is people are looking at my picture 93 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:16,655 and booking me because of me. 94 00:04:17,793 --> 00:04:19,517 They know what they're getting basically 95 00:04:19,517 --> 00:04:21,034 when they're booking with me anyway. 96 00:04:21,034 --> 00:04:23,517 My only fear was what if I just don't like doing it. 97 00:04:24,379 --> 00:04:25,310 But that didn't happen. 98 00:04:25,310 --> 00:04:26,517 I actually really enjoyed it. 99 00:04:27,655 --> 00:04:30,103 One of my favorite parts during the massages, 100 00:04:30,103 --> 00:04:32,482 I'll get on their back and just lie on top of them. 101 00:04:32,482 --> 00:04:35,551 And it's amazing having people just feel that weight, 102 00:04:35,551 --> 00:04:39,241 kind of just that being held, having a tight bear hug. 103 00:04:39,241 --> 00:04:40,931 And I love seeing that. 104 00:04:40,931 --> 00:04:42,551 That's when they get really comfortable 105 00:04:42,551 --> 00:04:45,344 and just kind of, you know, you've had a nice moment, 106 00:04:45,344 --> 00:04:46,931 and you know, you can go on. 107 00:04:46,931 --> 00:04:48,551 You're able to see the journey 108 00:04:48,551 --> 00:04:51,379 from when they are in their heads and being like, 109 00:04:51,379 --> 00:04:52,655 "Oh, my god, what's going on," 110 00:04:52,655 --> 00:04:54,620 and then at the end of the session, 111 00:04:54,620 --> 00:04:57,275 them being completely in their bodies. 112 00:04:57,275 --> 00:04:59,655 And I'm like that's why I do it. 113 00:04:59,655 --> 00:05:02,034 [soft music] 114 00:05:16,034 --> 00:05:17,517 [Andrew] I moved. 115 00:05:17,517 --> 00:05:19,413 I've been here two and a half years now, three years. 116 00:05:19,413 --> 00:05:21,827 Two and a half years, so 2016. 117 00:05:21,827 --> 00:05:23,758 2016, June, I moved. 118 00:05:23,758 --> 00:05:25,172 One of my favorite qualities of Raj 119 00:05:25,172 --> 00:05:28,551 is that he will actively listen to you and pay attention, 120 00:05:28,551 --> 00:05:31,413 and he'll also share some of his own personal experiences 121 00:05:31,413 --> 00:05:32,620 of like how his day is going. 122 00:05:32,620 --> 00:05:34,310 - Hug my pillow, yeah, exactly. [laughs] 123 00:05:34,310 --> 00:05:36,172 - [Andrew] It's so cheesy but it's adorable-- 124 00:05:36,172 --> 00:05:37,000 I know. 125 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:38,241 Because it's not... 126 00:05:38,241 --> 00:05:39,758 And I think that builds connection. 127 00:05:39,758 --> 00:05:42,103 So when we're having sex, it's like you're having sex 128 00:05:42,103 --> 00:05:45,413 with a real person, and that's nice. 129 00:05:45,413 --> 00:05:47,586 - And a lot of the clients that I have are the ones 130 00:05:47,586 --> 00:05:50,551 that it's their first time experiencing something like this. 131 00:05:50,551 --> 00:05:53,517 And when they first show up, they've never been, 132 00:05:53,517 --> 00:05:55,448 you know, with another man before 133 00:05:55,448 --> 00:05:59,413 or haven't experienced anything like this. 134 00:05:59,413 --> 00:06:01,827 And I've had, actually, a client, 135 00:06:01,827 --> 00:06:05,620 he had trouble kind of actually even being naked. 136 00:06:05,620 --> 00:06:07,517 He said, "Thank you for helping me, 137 00:06:07,517 --> 00:06:09,758 "bringing me from me head into my heart, 138 00:06:09,758 --> 00:06:11,379 "because I was so scared of intimacy 139 00:06:11,379 --> 00:06:15,068 "but you helped me do that and realize 140 00:06:15,068 --> 00:06:18,448 "that my body is deserving of pleasure however it looks." 141 00:06:18,448 --> 00:06:21,655 - What Raj and I do together in a session is we chat. 142 00:06:21,655 --> 00:06:25,448 He comes in and we say hello, and we say, "How's your day?" 143 00:06:25,448 --> 00:06:28,413 It takes away any weird power imbalances of like 144 00:06:28,413 --> 00:06:31,862 he's a sex worker providing a service and I'm the lonely, 145 00:06:31,862 --> 00:06:34,241 sad client that needs to get off with a sex worker. 146 00:06:34,241 --> 00:06:35,827 It takes all that away 147 00:06:35,827 --> 00:06:39,068 and it turns it into we're just two dudes. 148 00:06:39,068 --> 00:06:41,310 So we'll have that comfortable chat, 149 00:06:41,310 --> 00:06:43,206 then we'll move into like some making out 150 00:06:43,206 --> 00:06:46,620 and some touching and some body stuff. 151 00:06:46,620 --> 00:06:48,724 It's so variant in what it can be. 152 00:06:49,862 --> 00:06:52,379 We don't decide we're gonna do this, 153 00:06:52,379 --> 00:06:55,379 and here's a checklist of things I expect from you. 154 00:06:55,379 --> 00:06:59,241 - The physical part of things might start a lot later. 155 00:06:59,241 --> 00:07:00,551 It might start right at the beginning. 156 00:07:00,551 --> 00:07:03,344 It depends on whatever energy you're bringing, 157 00:07:03,344 --> 00:07:05,206 what each person is bringing in. 158 00:07:05,206 --> 00:07:08,137 It's not for what we do, but it's the time spent, 159 00:07:08,137 --> 00:07:09,689 that is what they're paying for. 160 00:07:09,689 --> 00:07:12,241 Whatever sort of happens between us 161 00:07:12,241 --> 00:07:13,827 is whatever happens between us. 162 00:07:13,827 --> 00:07:17,965 So I know a lot of people might have an a la carte menu, 163 00:07:17,965 --> 00:07:19,689 like this is for this much. 164 00:07:19,689 --> 00:07:24,689 And for me, personally, I'm not a vending machine. 165 00:07:26,137 --> 00:07:27,689 And keeping that sense of just going with the flow, 166 00:07:27,689 --> 00:07:31,655 they get surprised because they end up feeling things 167 00:07:31,655 --> 00:07:33,448 that they never thought they would ever feel. 168 00:07:33,448 --> 00:07:36,931 The minute I go into, "Oh, they look like this. 169 00:07:36,931 --> 00:07:39,448 "Oh, my god, how am I gonna get turned on," 170 00:07:39,448 --> 00:07:41,793 once again, then I'm missing the point. 171 00:07:41,793 --> 00:07:44,413 So when it comes to honoring somebody's body, 172 00:07:44,413 --> 00:07:45,896 I can't be in my head. 173 00:07:45,896 --> 00:07:50,724 I have to be, and tap into that unique part of me 174 00:07:52,172 --> 00:07:56,000 that connects with them so they are able to feel good 175 00:07:56,000 --> 00:08:01,000 in however shape, in whatever place, in however they are. 176 00:08:05,068 --> 00:08:05,931 There you go. 177 00:08:15,344 --> 00:08:18,482 - My stage name is Rogue Status, and I identify with that 178 00:08:18,482 --> 00:08:20,931 as a deviation of a standard variety. 179 00:08:23,344 --> 00:08:26,310 There's a lot of negative definitions of the word rogue, 180 00:08:26,310 --> 00:08:29,931 but one of them specifically is a deviation of a norm. 181 00:08:29,931 --> 00:08:33,000 And I'm definitely not run of the mill and never have been. 182 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:33,862 So, 183 00:08:35,482 --> 00:08:36,655 I left home quite early 184 00:08:38,206 --> 00:08:43,206 and kind of had survival mode from a really early age. 185 00:08:44,379 --> 00:08:46,137 I guess it kind of was a bit of a catalyst 186 00:08:46,137 --> 00:08:49,103 for me to get into sex work because when you need money, 187 00:08:49,103 --> 00:08:53,379 you do things that you're not, you know, 188 00:08:53,379 --> 00:08:55,517 that you wouldn't normally think you would do. 189 00:08:58,103 --> 00:09:00,344 I used Rentman, I used to use Rentboy 190 00:09:00,344 --> 00:09:02,586 before the whole thing went down. 191 00:09:02,586 --> 00:09:06,620 To protect myself and clientele. 192 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:12,000 I have a disclaimer that my payment is strictly for my time 193 00:09:13,103 --> 00:09:14,620 because whatever happens in that time 194 00:09:14,620 --> 00:09:15,896 is between consenting adults. 195 00:09:15,896 --> 00:09:19,931 Anyone can hire somebody for time. 196 00:09:19,931 --> 00:09:22,103 It usually starts with a quick phone conversation, 197 00:09:22,103 --> 00:09:24,034 usually over text or a quick phone call 198 00:09:24,034 --> 00:09:27,137 if it's very specific requirements 199 00:09:27,137 --> 00:09:28,551 that they're interested in. 200 00:09:28,551 --> 00:09:31,482 I like to narrow it down to what the timeframe is 201 00:09:31,482 --> 00:09:32,724 and what they wanna do. 202 00:09:32,724 --> 00:09:35,103 I usually arrive, take care of business, 203 00:09:35,103 --> 00:09:36,827 which means finances first 204 00:09:36,827 --> 00:09:39,379 because it takes that awkward element out of the way, 205 00:09:39,379 --> 00:09:40,965 which is always awkward. 206 00:09:40,965 --> 00:09:42,517 Quick freshen up, and that's usually 207 00:09:42,517 --> 00:09:44,275 doing my shot of Trimix to make sure 208 00:09:44,275 --> 00:09:48,827 that my boy's good to go even if I'm not using it. 209 00:09:48,827 --> 00:09:51,137 Trimix, it's a triple-mix injection 210 00:09:51,137 --> 00:09:56,034 that you put into the shaft of your penis to hyper dilate 211 00:09:57,517 --> 00:10:00,000 the cavernosa and keep you hard for quite some time. 212 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,310 Sometimes I fake my orgasm, most times, 213 00:10:03,172 --> 00:10:05,379 unless they really wanna see it. 214 00:10:05,379 --> 00:10:08,689 But most of the time, it's not about me getting off. 215 00:10:08,689 --> 00:10:12,310 I cringe at the thought of touching any stranger. 216 00:10:12,310 --> 00:10:16,034 I also cringe at the thought of being touched most times. 217 00:10:16,034 --> 00:10:19,103 I try to find something sexy 218 00:10:19,103 --> 00:10:22,344 about each person that I'm with and focus on that. 219 00:10:22,344 --> 00:10:26,551 People think that you can just go and get hard 220 00:10:26,551 --> 00:10:28,551 and do your thing and get paid and go, 221 00:10:28,551 --> 00:10:30,000 but it's a lot more than that. 222 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:33,310 And the majority of the time, I don't even get hard. 223 00:10:33,310 --> 00:10:37,034 And I use Trimix because when you're filming in a movie, 224 00:10:38,517 --> 00:10:40,103 you know, you don't have to be hard for two hours. 225 00:10:40,103 --> 00:10:43,034 You have to be hard for many hours. 226 00:10:43,034 --> 00:10:44,586 Not bad, not bad. 227 00:10:44,586 --> 00:10:46,379 But one more time, and slow. 228 00:10:47,827 --> 00:10:49,413 - [Rogue Status] What you guys all see in that 21 minutes 229 00:10:49,413 --> 00:10:51,275 was actually eight hours. 230 00:10:51,275 --> 00:10:54,931 I've been filming with Mainline Studios for about, 231 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:58,448 I don't know, 10 years plus now. 232 00:10:58,448 --> 00:11:00,379 Up against the fucking wall. 233 00:11:00,379 --> 00:11:01,241 Yes, sir. 234 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:06,379 - You know, a decade ago, when I started filming, 235 00:11:06,379 --> 00:11:11,379 your pay scale was quite a big difference to what it is now. 236 00:11:12,241 --> 00:11:14,344 Porn is basically your promotion 237 00:11:14,344 --> 00:11:16,620 for your brand at this point. 238 00:11:16,620 --> 00:11:18,448 I travel all the time for work. 239 00:11:19,379 --> 00:11:21,241 I live very rural, 240 00:11:21,241 --> 00:11:23,103 but I also have full-time construction work 241 00:11:23,103 --> 00:11:26,862 because it's equally as good money. 242 00:11:26,862 --> 00:11:28,862 I think it's really beneficial to have 243 00:11:30,931 --> 00:11:32,413 an element of both worlds. 244 00:11:32,413 --> 00:11:36,413 Otherwise, you're gonna get lost in your character too much. 245 00:11:36,413 --> 00:11:38,103 That is one of the reasons why I go back 246 00:11:38,103 --> 00:11:42,620 to my spot in the bush because I can get grounded 247 00:11:42,620 --> 00:11:45,724 and reconnected to who I am after going rogue. 248 00:11:45,724 --> 00:11:49,206 Rogue Status was actually a performer at big events 249 00:11:49,206 --> 00:11:53,206 and parties before branching off into a porn career. 250 00:11:54,655 --> 00:11:55,896 By the time I had already got there, 251 00:11:55,896 --> 00:11:59,965 I had already built this brand and alter ego. 252 00:11:59,965 --> 00:12:02,793 So Rogue Status is everything else 253 00:12:02,793 --> 00:12:04,689 that I haven't been able to be myself. 254 00:12:12,482 --> 00:12:14,689 - I've been called Kitten Bear for a while. 255 00:12:14,689 --> 00:12:16,482 It was my online name for a while, 256 00:12:16,482 --> 00:12:18,551 or for Scruff for a while. 257 00:12:18,551 --> 00:12:21,206 I never identified with the puppy side of things. 258 00:12:21,206 --> 00:12:22,379 I'm too independent. 259 00:12:23,310 --> 00:12:24,827 I'll come and play with you 260 00:12:24,827 --> 00:12:26,620 and then I'm gonna go do my own thing. 261 00:12:26,620 --> 00:12:29,000 And so Kitten kind of just worked for me. 262 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:29,965 But Kitten didn't really describe it 263 00:12:29,965 --> 00:12:31,379 because I was bigger than that. 264 00:12:31,379 --> 00:12:34,103 And so Kitten Bear kind of came from cuddly like a kitten, 265 00:12:34,103 --> 00:12:35,448 big like a bear. 266 00:12:35,448 --> 00:12:37,000 And when I met Nigel, he was the one 267 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:39,724 that really grasped on that and jumped on that. 268 00:12:39,724 --> 00:12:40,965 He's like, "Oh, that's your Scruff name? 269 00:12:40,965 --> 00:12:42,827 "Why shouldn't this be your Instagram name? 270 00:12:42,827 --> 00:12:45,241 "This is what I'm gonna call you from now on." 271 00:12:46,689 --> 00:12:50,310 I grew up in Alberta, in a very small Mormon community. 272 00:12:50,310 --> 00:12:52,310 And as you grow up and leave, you know, 273 00:12:52,310 --> 00:12:55,551 I'd say it took four or five years to get fully comfortable. 274 00:12:55,551 --> 00:12:58,482 I'd say now, I'm fairly well adjusted to, you know, 275 00:12:58,482 --> 00:13:00,448 a new life and just my life. 276 00:13:00,448 --> 00:13:01,931 I have an Instagram. 277 00:13:01,931 --> 00:13:03,551 It's something that me and Nigel started more as kind of 278 00:13:03,551 --> 00:13:05,758 a fun like, oh, let's see how many followers we can get. 279 00:13:05,758 --> 00:13:07,551 One of the business opportunities that took off 280 00:13:07,551 --> 00:13:10,137 kind of from Instagram, Twitter, things like that 281 00:13:10,137 --> 00:13:13,758 was a site called OnlyFans where people basically pay 282 00:13:13,758 --> 00:13:15,965 whatever monthly fee that you're charging 283 00:13:15,965 --> 00:13:18,103 for access to all of the content that you post. 284 00:13:18,103 --> 00:13:22,103 And so, you know, for us, we post, you know, naked pictures. 285 00:13:22,103 --> 00:13:23,862 We have friends over to have sex with. 286 00:13:23,862 --> 00:13:25,172 It's a porn shop for us. 287 00:13:25,172 --> 00:13:26,310 For other people, it's fitness. 288 00:13:26,310 --> 00:13:27,758 You can do anything you want. 289 00:13:27,758 --> 00:13:31,310 It actually became fairly lucrative, for Nigel especially, 290 00:13:31,310 --> 00:13:34,000 when we actually started throwing parties together. 291 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:36,379 It really kind of took off where, oh, this is something 292 00:13:36,379 --> 00:13:38,344 that can really help in so many ways, 293 00:13:38,344 --> 00:13:40,275 just having that much influence 294 00:13:40,275 --> 00:13:43,793 as far as number of people seeing what you're offering. 295 00:13:45,413 --> 00:13:48,310 And so, I mean, there's OnlyFans, which is that. 296 00:13:48,310 --> 00:13:50,172 We have the parties that are going on, 297 00:13:50,172 --> 00:13:51,793 and it's only increasing there. 298 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:54,482 I'm doing massage right now as well. 299 00:13:55,965 --> 00:13:57,172 No, for sure. 300 00:13:57,172 --> 00:14:00,413 What I offer is an hour of sensual massage. 301 00:14:00,413 --> 00:14:02,586 So what that means is that 302 00:14:02,586 --> 00:14:04,689 we can both be naked if you'd like. 303 00:14:04,689 --> 00:14:08,551 It's a lot of touching on my side to you, 304 00:14:08,551 --> 00:14:11,068 lots of body contact, lots of that, 305 00:14:11,068 --> 00:14:13,413 and then mutual touching as well. 306 00:14:13,413 --> 00:14:16,103 Some people, they'll wear a jockstrap. 307 00:14:16,103 --> 00:14:17,931 They won't even be naked for the massage. 308 00:14:17,931 --> 00:14:19,724 Other people will go all the way, 309 00:14:19,724 --> 00:14:21,931 and you know, they'll have sex at the end of the session. 310 00:14:21,931 --> 00:14:23,241 It's my control. 311 00:14:23,241 --> 00:14:25,000 It's whatever I feel comfortable with, and obviously, 312 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:26,724 what the client feels comfortable with as well. 313 00:14:26,724 --> 00:14:28,034 One client came and I was like, 314 00:14:28,034 --> 00:14:30,068 "Oh, do you get massages often?" 315 00:14:30,068 --> 00:14:31,827 He was like, "Yeah, I go probably every week." 316 00:14:31,827 --> 00:14:33,689 And he's like, "I just like to be touched. 317 00:14:33,689 --> 00:14:36,896 "I just like to have that human interaction." 318 00:14:36,896 --> 00:14:39,241 The boner parties are really interesting and fun. 319 00:14:39,241 --> 00:14:42,137 That's probably one of the things I'm most excited to go. 320 00:14:42,137 --> 00:14:44,655 It's my favorite time of the month. 321 00:14:44,655 --> 00:14:48,000 How the party started was we both come from big families, 322 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:49,482 both me and Nigel. 323 00:14:49,482 --> 00:14:51,241 And so we were used to having people over all the time. 324 00:14:51,241 --> 00:14:54,241 And so we'd throw house parties, and then we'd invite 325 00:14:54,241 --> 00:14:56,068 our closest friends, and there'll be like 40 or 50. 326 00:14:56,068 --> 00:14:57,724 And eventually, it was a hundred people 327 00:14:57,724 --> 00:14:59,137 that were coming to our house for these parties. 328 00:14:59,137 --> 00:15:01,896 It's a dance party where there's no rules. 329 00:15:01,896 --> 00:15:03,379 And so there's a candy table. 330 00:15:03,379 --> 00:15:05,310 You can go and, you know, eat everything you want, 331 00:15:05,310 --> 00:15:06,965 which is one of my favorite things. 332 00:15:06,965 --> 00:15:08,413 Food is the fastest way to my heart. 333 00:15:08,413 --> 00:15:11,103 So if you add food anywhere, I'm automatically sold. 334 00:15:11,103 --> 00:15:12,344 I like dancing. 335 00:15:12,344 --> 00:15:13,172 I like food. 336 00:15:13,172 --> 00:15:14,103 I like sex. 337 00:15:14,103 --> 00:15:16,241 I mean, all three, all combined, 338 00:15:16,241 --> 00:15:19,103 and I don't have to clean up the mess, I'm in. [chuckles] 339 00:15:19,103 --> 00:15:22,586 Really, the core of the people that go is the hundred people 340 00:15:22,586 --> 00:15:24,586 that come to our parties, and they invite their friends. 341 00:15:24,586 --> 00:15:26,931 So it's a really close-knit group of people 342 00:15:26,931 --> 00:15:28,379 that all get along. 343 00:15:28,379 --> 00:15:30,034 One of the themes for boner 344 00:15:30,034 --> 00:15:32,862 is come in whatever makes you feel comfortable. 345 00:15:32,862 --> 00:15:34,137 And so you don't have to go naked. 346 00:15:34,137 --> 00:15:35,413 You don't have wear lipstick. 347 00:15:35,413 --> 00:15:36,655 If you wanna wear a dress, you can. 348 00:15:36,655 --> 00:15:37,862 If you wanna wear a wig, you can. 349 00:15:37,862 --> 00:15:39,241 If you wanna go naked, you can. 350 00:15:39,241 --> 00:15:41,068 Do whatever makes you happy. 351 00:15:41,068 --> 00:15:44,413 And that's kind of how we view our relationship as well. 352 00:15:44,413 --> 00:15:45,655 Do what makes you happy, 353 00:15:45,655 --> 00:15:47,241 and the people that complement your life, 354 00:15:47,241 --> 00:15:50,689 the people that will fit, they're gonna fit in there. 355 00:15:50,689 --> 00:15:53,241 [upbeat music] 356 00:15:54,655 --> 00:15:58,620 - There is a lot of stigma around asking someone 357 00:15:58,620 --> 00:16:00,827 to give you cuddles for a fee. 358 00:16:00,827 --> 00:16:02,103 Do you prefer this or this? 359 00:16:04,689 --> 00:16:06,827 - I think I like it the other way, like this way, 360 00:16:06,827 --> 00:16:10,310 with the, so that I feel like I'm being hugged. 361 00:16:10,310 --> 00:16:11,620 Yeah, exactly. 362 00:16:11,620 --> 00:16:12,862 That's great. 363 00:16:12,862 --> 00:16:14,793 The big thing that we're trying to address here 364 00:16:14,793 --> 00:16:18,965 with professional cuddling is that we want 365 00:16:18,965 --> 00:16:21,758 all cuddling and any form of physical connection 366 00:16:21,758 --> 00:16:26,379 to be asked for and received in a respectful manner. 367 00:16:26,379 --> 00:16:30,413 Can I trace your eyebrows and like your face? 368 00:16:30,413 --> 00:16:31,206 - Mm-hmm. 369 00:16:31,206 --> 00:16:32,034 Yeah. 370 00:16:35,103 --> 00:16:39,000 'Cause I always like people tracing on my face. 371 00:16:40,172 --> 00:16:44,448 I think that this practice as a whole 372 00:16:44,448 --> 00:16:47,448 can be a great conversation starter 373 00:16:47,448 --> 00:16:50,620 to get people really thinking about, you know, 374 00:16:50,620 --> 00:16:52,068 what their own preferences are, 375 00:16:52,068 --> 00:16:54,931 and also being able to stand by their own boundaries 376 00:16:54,931 --> 00:16:57,517 but also respect other people's boundaries. 377 00:16:57,517 --> 00:16:59,137 Michelle, can I give you a hug? 378 00:16:59,137 --> 00:17:00,344 [Michelle] No, thank you. 379 00:17:00,344 --> 00:17:01,275 Perfect. 380 00:17:01,275 --> 00:17:03,586 You wanna give it a try? 381 00:17:03,586 --> 00:17:06,620 Oscar, can I 382 00:17:08,517 --> 00:17:09,931 touch your ear? 383 00:17:09,931 --> 00:17:11,137 One of the things that we do 384 00:17:11,137 --> 00:17:14,000 is called the no, thank you exercise. 385 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:16,724 The point of the exercise is to make three to five 386 00:17:16,724 --> 00:17:19,448 simple requests, but then the goal of the other partner 387 00:17:19,448 --> 00:17:21,758 is to say, "No, thank you." 388 00:17:21,758 --> 00:17:24,172 Can I pat your thigh? 389 00:17:24,172 --> 00:17:25,655 No, thank you. 390 00:17:25,655 --> 00:17:29,034 And the point of this exercise is to reinforce that a no 391 00:17:29,034 --> 00:17:31,655 doesn't necessarily have to be a negative thing. 392 00:17:31,655 --> 00:17:33,586 We don't have to accommodate for the other person. 393 00:17:33,586 --> 00:17:35,862 It's about what you feel and what you want to get out of it. 394 00:17:35,862 --> 00:17:36,689 - Mm-hmm. 395 00:17:36,689 --> 00:17:37,862 Okay. 396 00:17:37,862 --> 00:17:41,034 So the next one is called the ask and wait. 397 00:17:41,034 --> 00:17:45,000 So now, when I wanna ask, I wanna make a request, 398 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:46,413 you have three choices. 399 00:17:46,413 --> 00:17:49,275 You can either say, "Yes, I would like that," 400 00:17:49,275 --> 00:17:53,344 "No, thank you," or you can suggest something else. 401 00:17:53,344 --> 00:17:54,965 So you can say, "No, thank you, 402 00:17:54,965 --> 00:17:58,000 "but I would like to receive x." 403 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:00,482 So the ask and wait method is more so 404 00:18:00,482 --> 00:18:02,620 to create that understanding 405 00:18:02,620 --> 00:18:06,137 that you don't have to make the choice out of guilt. 406 00:18:06,137 --> 00:18:08,517 Only do things that you want to do. 407 00:18:08,517 --> 00:18:10,068 Cool, um. 408 00:18:10,068 --> 00:18:12,034 [Oscar laughs] 409 00:18:12,034 --> 00:18:14,517 - All right, so how is this feeling right now? 410 00:18:14,517 --> 00:18:15,344 Good. 411 00:18:15,344 --> 00:18:17,586 I think that I'm full. 412 00:18:17,586 --> 00:18:19,068 Yes. 413 00:18:19,068 --> 00:18:21,482 - I remember there was one of the positions in the book 414 00:18:21,482 --> 00:18:23,827 with just like the leg and the arm 415 00:18:23,827 --> 00:18:25,551 - sort of like hooked. - Okay. 416 00:18:25,551 --> 00:18:27,724 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 417 00:18:27,724 --> 00:18:28,586 Do you wanna try that one? 418 00:18:28,586 --> 00:18:29,413 Yeah. 419 00:18:29,413 --> 00:18:30,896 Okay. 420 00:18:30,896 --> 00:18:33,034 I like to start off the session with giving them, you know, 421 00:18:33,034 --> 00:18:35,620 three simple poses, a good hug, you know, 422 00:18:35,620 --> 00:18:38,655 even just interlocking hands, and then the eye gaze 423 00:18:38,655 --> 00:18:41,655 to kinda get them started with that level of intimacy. 424 00:18:41,655 --> 00:18:44,068 And then we go from there. 425 00:18:44,068 --> 00:18:45,758 - Like if my leg gets pins and needles or something, 426 00:18:45,758 --> 00:18:47,655 I'll be like, "Let's move on from this." 427 00:18:47,655 --> 00:18:48,586 Let's switch it up. [chuckles] 428 00:18:48,586 --> 00:18:49,965 And switch it up. 429 00:18:49,965 --> 00:18:52,068 So that's like a nice comfort. 430 00:18:52,068 --> 00:18:55,379 - So with cuddling, we're open to taking any clients 431 00:18:55,379 --> 00:18:59,517 regardless of like sex, race, identity, gender, 432 00:18:59,517 --> 00:19:00,827 anything like that. 433 00:19:00,827 --> 00:19:04,068 But I am predominantly looking to help out 434 00:19:04,068 --> 00:19:06,724 professional women, the reason being because right now, 435 00:19:06,724 --> 00:19:08,517 as it stands in the cuddling industry, 436 00:19:08,517 --> 00:19:10,482 there are more female cuddlers 437 00:19:10,482 --> 00:19:13,034 and there are more male clients. 438 00:19:13,034 --> 00:19:15,103 Touch-based services have always 439 00:19:15,103 --> 00:19:17,310 catered more to male clientele. 440 00:19:17,310 --> 00:19:20,068 Where I see myself in the grand scope of things 441 00:19:20,068 --> 00:19:22,827 as a gay man, it's a good opportunity for me 442 00:19:22,827 --> 00:19:26,620 to sort of give female clients that male attention 443 00:19:26,620 --> 00:19:29,758 with that extra layer of that I'm for sure 444 00:19:29,758 --> 00:19:33,931 not gonna try to give any sexual advances with them. 445 00:19:36,275 --> 00:19:39,517 - Yeah, and I feel like if I did something like this, 446 00:19:39,517 --> 00:19:42,000 I don't know, every few weeks or even once a month, 447 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:45,275 whatever the case may be, that I might feel more comfortable 448 00:19:45,275 --> 00:19:46,793 with my own physical body. 449 00:19:46,793 --> 00:19:48,413 I feel like I feel a little bit 450 00:19:48,413 --> 00:19:50,068 out of touch with that sometimes, 451 00:19:50,068 --> 00:19:53,000 and doing something like this, I already feel 452 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:54,862 like I'm feeling each part of my body 453 00:19:54,862 --> 00:19:59,310 in a way that's nice and strong and secure, 454 00:19:59,310 --> 00:20:02,724 and I don't feel stressed or uncomfortable 455 00:20:02,724 --> 00:20:06,206 that you're expecting something else than what it is. 456 00:20:06,206 --> 00:20:07,931 So yeah, it's nice. 457 00:20:09,620 --> 00:20:13,827 - And if you are someone who, you know, is already working, 458 00:20:13,827 --> 00:20:17,000 you know, eight to 10 hours or more at your job 459 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:20,724 and all you want to do is just feel held, 460 00:20:20,724 --> 00:20:23,965 you know, going through the courtship of either going out 461 00:20:23,965 --> 00:20:27,275 to a bar or even logging on to social media apps, 462 00:20:27,275 --> 00:20:31,620 all of that takes effort and it takes emotional effort too. 463 00:20:35,724 --> 00:20:37,931 - There's a lot of, you know, successful people 464 00:20:37,931 --> 00:20:41,551 that don't have time to go, you know, on social sites 465 00:20:41,551 --> 00:20:44,000 to spend an hour, hour and a half, half an hour 466 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:45,758 finding someone that likely isn't gonna be good. 467 00:20:45,758 --> 00:20:47,896 It's easier to be like, "Oh, I know I'm gonna have 468 00:20:47,896 --> 00:20:49,724 "a good time with so and so. 469 00:20:49,724 --> 00:20:51,344 "I'm gonna call you so it's just easy. 470 00:20:51,344 --> 00:20:52,551 "It's looked after." 471 00:21:01,793 --> 00:21:04,034 - I was looking for relationships on the apps. 472 00:21:04,034 --> 00:21:05,551 I was looking for sex on the apps. 473 00:21:05,551 --> 00:21:08,034 I was doing all the things that we all do, 474 00:21:08,034 --> 00:21:09,896 and I wasn't getting anywhere. 475 00:21:11,241 --> 00:21:13,896 I was brushing up against ableism constantly, 476 00:21:13,896 --> 00:21:15,000 dealing with discrimination 477 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:18,310 against my disability all the time. 478 00:21:18,310 --> 00:21:20,482 [Raj] That was your bum. 479 00:21:20,482 --> 00:21:21,310 [Andrew] My bum. 480 00:21:21,310 --> 00:21:22,689 Your bum. [chuckles] 481 00:21:22,689 --> 00:21:26,413 - Make sure that I don't fly across the room. 482 00:21:32,896 --> 00:21:34,896 Being just discouraged that one day I decided 483 00:21:34,896 --> 00:21:39,896 that, okay, let me go on these sites and see what I can do. 484 00:21:41,310 --> 00:21:42,793 And it's not anybody giving it to me out of charity. 485 00:21:42,793 --> 00:21:44,896 It's me actively deciding this is what I want. 486 00:21:44,896 --> 00:21:48,103 The marginalized community of individuals with disabilities, 487 00:21:48,103 --> 00:21:49,655 their access to their bodies 488 00:21:49,655 --> 00:21:52,965 and their access to their own sexuality is so limited 489 00:21:54,862 --> 00:21:56,620 by financial things, 490 00:21:56,620 --> 00:22:00,551 by stigma around disability and sexuality. 491 00:22:00,551 --> 00:22:04,793 So especially in queer male spaces, we can't go to the gym, 492 00:22:04,793 --> 00:22:07,517 can't access certain social things we do, 493 00:22:07,517 --> 00:22:09,137 can't access all the clubs we go to, 494 00:22:09,137 --> 00:22:11,275 can't access the community the way we do, 495 00:22:11,275 --> 00:22:15,000 are assumed to be asexual or non-sexual by our community, 496 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:20,000 so we don't tend to have a lot of success in going on dates. 497 00:22:29,103 --> 00:22:32,344 Putting aside that money, there's a power play, 498 00:22:32,344 --> 00:22:35,724 a really positive power play of me deciding 499 00:22:35,724 --> 00:22:38,758 that this is money that I want to use for this. 500 00:22:38,758 --> 00:22:43,034 I love pre-booking because it means that I can buy 501 00:22:43,034 --> 00:22:46,206 two or three sessions and know that, 502 00:22:46,206 --> 00:22:48,172 okay, for the next month, my sex is figured out. 503 00:22:48,172 --> 00:22:50,586 I have it figured out. 504 00:22:50,586 --> 00:22:53,827 It's a very selfish, a positively selfish act. 505 00:22:53,827 --> 00:22:56,344 - I know how good that feels when you have 506 00:22:56,344 --> 00:23:01,241 that part of you expressed and that part of you nurtured. 507 00:23:01,241 --> 00:23:05,000 It's been a journey as with my acceptance of my own body. 508 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,344 Being South Asian, there's like that sense 509 00:23:08,344 --> 00:23:11,344 of being less than because you're usually seeing bodies 510 00:23:11,344 --> 00:23:14,137 that are white having sex when you're watching porn 511 00:23:14,137 --> 00:23:17,206 or in movies or in things like that. 512 00:23:17,206 --> 00:23:18,482 It creates these things. 513 00:23:18,482 --> 00:23:20,000 Or if your body has to look a particular way, 514 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:21,448 it's more deserving of pleasure 515 00:23:21,448 --> 00:23:23,103 than if your body looks this way. 516 00:23:23,103 --> 00:23:28,103 You deserve love, pleasure, intimacy no matter how you look. 517 00:23:34,517 --> 00:23:36,862 So the benefit of a repeat client 518 00:23:36,862 --> 00:23:39,206 is you really get to know somebody, 519 00:23:39,206 --> 00:23:43,655 how their body receives pleasure. 520 00:23:43,655 --> 00:23:47,965 And you feel the healing kind of happen within the person. 521 00:23:50,448 --> 00:23:51,862 It's an awesome part. 522 00:23:51,862 --> 00:23:53,379 That's like the main, obviously, the central reason 523 00:23:53,379 --> 00:23:57,344 why I do it, because I thin we take on these conditions 524 00:23:57,344 --> 00:24:00,482 that we see in media and in porn and whatever, 525 00:24:00,482 --> 00:24:04,000 and they'll be like," Oh, this is supposed to happen," 526 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:05,241 or, "This is supposed to happen." 527 00:24:05,241 --> 00:24:08,689 And I think with porn and stuff like that, 528 00:24:08,689 --> 00:24:13,206 I think there's a lot of power given to sex means this. 529 00:24:14,206 --> 00:24:15,862 It's penetrative. 530 00:24:15,862 --> 00:24:17,206 But there are so many other ways 531 00:24:17,206 --> 00:24:20,448 your body can experience sex. 532 00:24:20,448 --> 00:24:24,000 And the thing is I think through my work, 533 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:29,000 I wanna be able to help people understand their bodies. 534 00:24:30,206 --> 00:24:31,655 And I think that's what's so amazing, 535 00:24:31,655 --> 00:24:34,655 because I think it teaches people that 536 00:24:36,517 --> 00:24:38,827 there's so much possibilities when it comes to their body. 537 00:24:38,827 --> 00:24:40,275 There are so many things that you can feel 538 00:24:40,275 --> 00:24:41,517 that you don't even know. 539 00:24:45,448 --> 00:24:46,689 Now I'm warm. 540 00:24:46,689 --> 00:24:47,758 [Raj] There you go. 541 00:24:50,448 --> 00:24:51,482 - Depending on the scene with the client, 542 00:24:51,482 --> 00:24:52,758 I can feel really good about it 543 00:24:52,758 --> 00:24:54,413 or I can feel really bad about it. 544 00:24:54,413 --> 00:24:56,793 Clients don't know their limits and want me to push them 545 00:24:56,793 --> 00:25:00,689 further than they're capable of to the point of 546 00:25:00,689 --> 00:25:03,000 broken skin, or blood, 547 00:25:05,137 --> 00:25:06,689 or very extreme heavy play. 548 00:25:06,689 --> 00:25:09,172 Even for me, that's pretty extreme. 549 00:25:09,172 --> 00:25:12,551 It takes me a minute to regroup after, sometimes a day. 550 00:25:12,551 --> 00:25:14,034 I don't want anyone to get hurt. 551 00:25:14,034 --> 00:25:15,896 I don't want anyone to get sick. 552 00:25:15,896 --> 00:25:18,172 So scat play is out. 553 00:25:18,172 --> 00:25:22,000 Anything with blood and serious pain is out. 554 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,000 When it comes to BDSM, there is an element 555 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:26,931 of pain and pleasure involved with it, 556 00:25:26,931 --> 00:25:31,517 but I'm not about inflicting heavy bodily harm on people. 557 00:25:31,517 --> 00:25:33,482 When I go to work, it's completely different 558 00:25:33,482 --> 00:25:37,000 than what my sex life at home is going to be. 559 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,000 I don't really wanna have that crossover, 560 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:40,517 like I don't wanna bring work home. 561 00:25:40,517 --> 00:25:44,448 I do have elements of BDSM play that I like 562 00:25:44,448 --> 00:25:48,689 in my personal sex life, but that's more about bonding 563 00:25:48,689 --> 00:25:51,758 and creating connection and trust and safety. 564 00:25:51,758 --> 00:25:55,275 One of the best ways to feel safe and comfortable 565 00:25:55,275 --> 00:25:57,068 with somebody is to be tied up by them 566 00:25:57,068 --> 00:26:00,344 because you have to really let yourself go somewhere else. 567 00:26:00,344 --> 00:26:04,172 And it's gonna be cathartic, and you might cry. 568 00:26:07,448 --> 00:26:11,344 Sex work affects almost every relationship I have. 569 00:26:11,344 --> 00:26:14,034 Everybody has a negative stigma based around it 570 00:26:14,034 --> 00:26:15,862 as far as I can see. 571 00:26:15,862 --> 00:26:18,724 Dating somebody that's not in the trade 572 00:26:18,724 --> 00:26:21,724 or hasn't done the trade, you know, 573 00:26:21,724 --> 00:26:24,965 again, trying to convince them of work being separate 574 00:26:24,965 --> 00:26:27,862 from personal life is next to impossible. 575 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,344 - I think sex and kind of our views on sex 576 00:26:31,344 --> 00:26:33,862 is changing drastically. 577 00:26:33,862 --> 00:26:36,517 I definitely think religion had a long hold 578 00:26:36,517 --> 00:26:38,000 that people don't realize is there, 579 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,379 but religion set up what sex should be. 580 00:26:40,379 --> 00:26:43,931 It should be man and wife, depending on your religion, 581 00:26:43,931 --> 00:26:46,068 when you're trying to have kids. 582 00:26:46,068 --> 00:26:48,620 Even with OnlyFans and things like that, 583 00:26:48,620 --> 00:26:51,793 I think that that helps the sex image because before, 584 00:26:51,793 --> 00:26:53,551 you had studios and kind of what was, 585 00:26:53,551 --> 00:26:55,896 oh, this is what it looks like. 586 00:26:55,896 --> 00:26:57,137 Whereas with OnlyFans, 587 00:26:57,137 --> 00:26:59,413 it really is us and our friends just having sex. 588 00:26:59,413 --> 00:27:01,172 We set up a tripod on the counter 589 00:27:01,172 --> 00:27:03,241 and then just enjoy ourselves. 590 00:27:03,241 --> 00:27:05,103 And so it kind of takes away of like, 591 00:27:05,103 --> 00:27:06,724 oh, people talk during sex. 592 00:27:06,724 --> 00:27:07,655 Oh, you know what? 593 00:27:07,655 --> 00:27:09,137 There's gonna be a mistake. 594 00:27:09,137 --> 00:27:10,620 Sometimes it's gonna be like, oh, it didn't work. 595 00:27:10,620 --> 00:27:12,103 Or this doesn't work, or you'll try to say something. 596 00:27:12,103 --> 00:27:15,482 And today, we're gonna make for you guys a beef stir fry. 597 00:27:15,482 --> 00:27:16,620 Let's get naked. 598 00:27:16,620 --> 00:27:17,448 Perfect. 599 00:27:19,137 --> 00:27:21,172 But it's nice because you see a different side 600 00:27:21,172 --> 00:27:22,310 that's light and funny. 601 00:27:24,862 --> 00:27:26,206 All right, let's get started. 602 00:27:26,206 --> 00:27:27,413 It's fun. 603 00:27:27,413 --> 00:27:28,620 It's all of our friends and lovers. 604 00:27:28,620 --> 00:27:29,551 It's not these strangers that you don't know 605 00:27:29,551 --> 00:27:31,000 and have no connection with. 606 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:32,827 Invite the people that you're most close with, 607 00:27:32,827 --> 00:27:34,413 that you want to spend the most time with, 608 00:27:34,413 --> 00:27:36,793 and invite them into the bedroom. 609 00:27:36,793 --> 00:27:38,137 You will have a better time 610 00:27:38,137 --> 00:27:39,551 than someone that you don't know. 611 00:27:39,551 --> 00:27:41,931 And the best part about relationships is that 612 00:27:41,931 --> 00:27:43,310 it can be anything you want it to be. 613 00:27:43,310 --> 00:27:45,517 And I think that's where religion has had 614 00:27:45,517 --> 00:27:47,896 such a negative impact, is it's this is what it must be. 615 00:27:47,896 --> 00:27:51,000 And so soon as you deviate from that, it's different. 616 00:27:56,103 --> 00:27:57,689 I had a previous relationship 617 00:27:57,689 --> 00:28:01,620 where the sex and intimacy were kind of as one. 618 00:28:01,620 --> 00:28:03,068 So I remember coming out of that relationship 619 00:28:03,068 --> 00:28:07,724 and it was very like, I felt like super fucked up about sex. 620 00:28:07,724 --> 00:28:10,137 It was this thing where I realized the only times 621 00:28:10,137 --> 00:28:14,206 that I was sober was when I was like with clients. 622 00:28:14,206 --> 00:28:16,034 Like I was just like, okay, so I can do this work, 623 00:28:16,034 --> 00:28:20,517 but I'm like, I have some healing to do within myself. 624 00:28:20,517 --> 00:28:23,310 To be able to help people condition that part 625 00:28:23,310 --> 00:28:25,655 is something that I feel like is a very, 626 00:28:25,655 --> 00:28:27,620 I think is very important, especially when it comes 627 00:28:27,620 --> 00:28:32,000 to gay men and our bodies and what that means. 628 00:28:34,965 --> 00:28:36,655 - When a client goes on to my website, 629 00:28:36,655 --> 00:28:38,068 in order to book a session, 630 00:28:38,068 --> 00:28:40,103 they'll see the cuddling commandments. 631 00:28:40,103 --> 00:28:43,896 So these are the 10 basic ground rules that we have 632 00:28:43,896 --> 00:28:45,413 with regards to the cuddling session, 633 00:28:45,413 --> 00:28:48,551 which means that you have to be at least 18 years of age. 634 00:28:48,551 --> 00:28:50,448 You have to be free of mind-altering substances. 635 00:28:50,448 --> 00:28:53,103 You can't come drunk or high or anything like that. 636 00:28:53,103 --> 00:28:56,689 It's basically talking about how it's not a sexual service. 637 00:28:56,689 --> 00:28:59,206 And so once they agreed to all that and they book a time, 638 00:28:59,206 --> 00:29:00,965 then it's up to the client to decide 639 00:29:00,965 --> 00:29:03,206 whether they want to come to the cuddler's space 640 00:29:03,206 --> 00:29:06,103 or host the cuddler at their own space. 641 00:29:09,448 --> 00:29:11,000 And so if they're coming to my space, 642 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,206 what I'd like to do is I like to get some nice music going. 643 00:29:15,379 --> 00:29:18,827 I have some sweetwood, and I have some sage 644 00:29:18,827 --> 00:29:20,724 and incense that I like to light. 645 00:29:22,620 --> 00:29:25,758 And then I prepare wherever we're gonna be cuddling. 646 00:29:25,758 --> 00:29:27,827 So it could be on a couch. 647 00:29:27,827 --> 00:29:29,103 It could be on the ground. 648 00:29:29,103 --> 00:29:30,379 It can be on a bed. 649 00:29:33,413 --> 00:29:35,448 I always like to encourage the clients 650 00:29:35,448 --> 00:29:38,137 to come with their own ideas of cuddling positions 651 00:29:38,137 --> 00:29:41,551 that they like to try, or to even think about 652 00:29:41,551 --> 00:29:45,413 examples of touch in their lives that they have enjoyed. 653 00:29:45,413 --> 00:29:49,758 - Yeah, generally, scalp touch is very therapeutic. 654 00:29:49,758 --> 00:29:50,689 Yeah? 655 00:29:50,689 --> 00:29:51,517 - Mm-hmm. 656 00:29:51,517 --> 00:29:52,448 Cool. 657 00:29:52,448 --> 00:29:53,275 So how about we start with that? 658 00:29:59,413 --> 00:30:02,551 I started my performing career back in high school, 659 00:30:02,551 --> 00:30:05,379 doing musical theater, which introduced me 660 00:30:05,379 --> 00:30:08,448 to the world of dance and singing and just acting 661 00:30:08,448 --> 00:30:10,965 and general body awareness. 662 00:30:10,965 --> 00:30:13,931 I've noticed that a big component of the acting 663 00:30:13,931 --> 00:30:16,068 and singing and even dancing, 664 00:30:16,068 --> 00:30:18,758 there's a big understanding of breath work 665 00:30:18,758 --> 00:30:21,793 and the benefits that that can bring along to our craft. 666 00:30:21,793 --> 00:30:24,413 So that's something that I like to bring to our sessions. 667 00:30:24,413 --> 00:30:26,827 Say we're in the middle of an embrace, 668 00:30:26,827 --> 00:30:29,517 like breathing together can be very helpful 669 00:30:29,517 --> 00:30:31,310 and stress relieving. 670 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:38,275 Very good, very good breath. 671 00:30:41,724 --> 00:30:45,413 Touch has an immensive power to heal. 672 00:30:45,413 --> 00:30:49,586 Because we're being taught to be so tough 673 00:30:49,586 --> 00:30:52,310 and show a tough face, a poker face and not let the world 674 00:30:52,310 --> 00:30:56,275 see our problems, I think that by reintroducing touch 675 00:30:56,275 --> 00:30:59,655 in a healthy platonic way is a great way for us 676 00:30:59,655 --> 00:31:04,413 to remind ourselves that it's okay to feel vulnerable, 677 00:31:04,413 --> 00:31:06,482 because it's so easy to think that we're alone 678 00:31:06,482 --> 00:31:08,137 in all these things that we're feeling. 679 00:31:08,137 --> 00:31:09,344 It's so easy. 680 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:22,689 If you ever feel alone, something that you could always do 681 00:31:22,689 --> 00:31:26,310 is you can take your hand and place it over your heart. 682 00:31:27,482 --> 00:31:29,137 And if you just slowly breathe, 683 00:31:34,137 --> 00:31:38,137 it's a great way for you to reconnect with yourself 684 00:31:38,137 --> 00:31:40,448 and remind yourself that you're here 685 00:31:40,448 --> 00:31:41,724 and that you're not alone. 686 00:31:41,724 --> 00:31:44,448 There are studies that actually show 687 00:31:44,448 --> 00:31:49,413 that you placing your hand over your heart and breathing 688 00:31:50,896 --> 00:31:54,137 will help you reconnect, and it's almost as good as a hug. 689 00:31:54,137 --> 00:31:56,862 By you acknowledging and connecting with yourself, 690 00:31:56,862 --> 00:31:59,137 it will allow you to have deeper connections 691 00:31:59,137 --> 00:32:00,310 with other people too. 692 00:32:01,620 --> 00:32:02,827 [man speaks in foreign language] 693 00:32:02,827 --> 00:32:05,586 [group chuckles] 694 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,931 - I always say in order to give of myself, 695 00:32:09,931 --> 00:32:12,724 I need to know how to give to myself. 696 00:32:12,724 --> 00:32:15,000 I give to myself through making sure 697 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,172 having like a spiritual sort of practice through meditation, 698 00:32:18,172 --> 00:32:21,413 through writing, through my chosen family, 699 00:32:21,413 --> 00:32:26,413 and through also having, you know, 700 00:32:27,586 --> 00:32:30,482 intimate experiences for my own personal self. 701 00:32:33,896 --> 00:32:35,965 Then before a session, it's so much easier for me 702 00:32:35,965 --> 00:32:38,413 to go from here to here, 'cause then I'm very much like, 703 00:32:38,413 --> 00:32:39,793 okay, it's all here. 704 00:32:40,965 --> 00:32:43,413 - I call on Raj because I know he's reliable. 705 00:32:44,517 --> 00:32:47,413 I've worked with workers who don't show up. 706 00:32:47,413 --> 00:32:50,551 That's important for me as somebody who already lives 707 00:32:50,551 --> 00:32:53,000 on the margins of trying to find [mumbles] 708 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:54,241 and trying to find connection. 709 00:32:54,241 --> 00:32:56,931 - So when it comes to it being kind of 710 00:32:56,931 --> 00:32:59,862 about sexual surrogacy and my work, 711 00:33:01,241 --> 00:33:05,034 I had a client actually describe it as that, I remember. 712 00:33:05,034 --> 00:33:07,862 And he said, "I've never heard an escort 713 00:33:07,862 --> 00:33:11,206 "speak about their work in that way before. 714 00:33:11,206 --> 00:33:15,793 "And it sounds like you're a surrogate or a conduit." 715 00:33:15,793 --> 00:33:17,034 I mean, whatever I do, 716 00:33:19,241 --> 00:33:20,241 it's healing work. 717 00:33:20,241 --> 00:33:21,689 It is what it is. 718 00:33:21,689 --> 00:33:25,586 When I got into my work, I think it deepened my connections 719 00:33:25,586 --> 00:33:27,689 to the people who matter in my life 720 00:33:27,689 --> 00:33:31,551 because I have a certain understanding and truth 721 00:33:31,551 --> 00:33:35,655 in how I do my work and why it's fulfilling for me. 722 00:33:35,655 --> 00:33:37,965 And if people can see that in me, 723 00:33:37,965 --> 00:33:39,241 that means they can see me. 724 00:33:39,241 --> 00:33:41,620 All of my friends know what I do 725 00:33:41,620 --> 00:33:44,103 and understand why it's important to me. 726 00:33:44,103 --> 00:33:47,827 And when you have that, you're able to tap into 727 00:33:47,827 --> 00:33:51,862 your own intuition, which that helps you in avoiding 728 00:33:51,862 --> 00:33:54,724 any potentially dangerous situations. 729 00:33:54,724 --> 00:33:56,965 I've never had a bad experience. 730 00:33:56,965 --> 00:34:00,103 I've had one where it could have been, 731 00:34:00,103 --> 00:34:03,000 but then I kind of like listened to my inner voice 732 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,551 and got out before the person even showed up, 733 00:34:06,551 --> 00:34:08,310 and I ended up being right on my [mumbles]. 734 00:34:08,310 --> 00:34:11,413 It was a good idea that I did not stay. 735 00:34:11,413 --> 00:34:14,068 - You know, there's a scary dark side to the business. 736 00:34:14,068 --> 00:34:15,862 Thankfully, I've never been in a situation 737 00:34:15,862 --> 00:34:17,413 that's gotten out of hand. 738 00:34:17,413 --> 00:34:22,413 I had one violent situation in Florida, 739 00:34:23,896 --> 00:34:25,655 and that set my precedent for what was never, ever, 740 00:34:25,655 --> 00:34:27,000 ever gonna happen again. 741 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,103 I was flown down and had my ticket 742 00:34:30,103 --> 00:34:33,482 relying on somebody else's, you know, 743 00:34:33,482 --> 00:34:35,517 because they booked it kind of thing. 744 00:34:35,517 --> 00:34:37,034 Yeah, like now, I always make sure that, you know, 745 00:34:37,034 --> 00:34:39,344 if somebody wants me to travel to go see them, 746 00:34:41,517 --> 00:34:43,793 that they transfer a deposit which is enough 747 00:34:43,793 --> 00:34:45,931 for me to manage my own booking. 748 00:34:45,931 --> 00:34:49,551 I get every request you could possibly imagine. 749 00:34:49,551 --> 00:34:54,034 Somebody requests to have me as a sub or bottom 750 00:34:54,034 --> 00:34:56,931 in a bondage or BDSM scene, it's a firm no. 751 00:34:56,931 --> 00:34:58,827 We already know that that's putting yourself 752 00:34:58,827 --> 00:35:02,689 into serious danger, so that's not gonna happen. 753 00:35:02,689 --> 00:35:04,413 I would never do that with somebody 754 00:35:04,413 --> 00:35:08,034 until I have established a rapport with this client. 755 00:35:08,034 --> 00:35:09,931 In terms of being a sex worker 756 00:35:11,344 --> 00:35:16,344 and not having an agency per se as female sex workers might, 757 00:35:17,344 --> 00:35:19,172 when it comes to male sex work, 758 00:35:19,172 --> 00:35:20,241 you're basically on your own. 759 00:35:20,241 --> 00:35:21,758 Whenever I'm going to work, 760 00:35:21,758 --> 00:35:23,310 I always let somebody know where I'm going. 761 00:35:23,310 --> 00:35:24,724 I have my location shared. 762 00:35:24,724 --> 00:35:26,586 Depending on how long the session is, 763 00:35:27,758 --> 00:35:30,206 I get something called knocking to happen, 764 00:35:30,206 --> 00:35:32,655 which is, you know, a friend will call and check in 765 00:35:32,655 --> 00:35:33,827 and make sure I'm okay. 766 00:35:35,793 --> 00:35:38,310 - I like the fact that it's not me living here alone. 767 00:35:38,310 --> 00:35:40,655 So if there was a problem, for the most part, Nigel's home. 768 00:35:40,655 --> 00:35:41,862 If things get really bad, 769 00:35:41,862 --> 00:35:44,103 I could yell and hopefully have that. 770 00:35:44,103 --> 00:35:46,551 A few precautions I take before I head into this, 771 00:35:46,551 --> 00:35:49,103 with meeting people, I generally don't do 772 00:35:49,103 --> 00:35:50,620 the same day [mumbles] because I find people, 773 00:35:50,620 --> 00:35:51,758 they're like, "Oh, I want a massage. 774 00:35:51,758 --> 00:35:53,482 "Can you be free in 20 minutes," 775 00:35:53,482 --> 00:35:55,034 probably not the best kind of clients. 776 00:35:55,034 --> 00:35:57,655 Whereas if you can have a little conversation beforehand. 777 00:35:57,655 --> 00:36:00,103 If they're polite and nice, you know what, 778 00:36:00,103 --> 00:36:02,482 I'm gonna take people that I feel comfortable with 779 00:36:02,482 --> 00:36:04,034 because if I'm not enjoying it, 780 00:36:04,034 --> 00:36:06,586 that client is likely not gonna enjoy it either. 781 00:36:09,655 --> 00:36:13,137 What I like about the massage part is that I'm in control. 782 00:36:13,137 --> 00:36:15,965 With escort, it kind of is assumed of what you're doing. 783 00:36:18,068 --> 00:36:19,724 This is the first time I haven't had a job 784 00:36:19,724 --> 00:36:21,724 with money coming in regularly. 785 00:36:21,724 --> 00:36:24,482 With losing my job, it was definitely 786 00:36:24,482 --> 00:36:27,275 one of the more traumatic things I've had in my life, 787 00:36:27,275 --> 00:36:29,103 which sounds stupid, losing a job, 788 00:36:29,103 --> 00:36:31,586 but just the manner it was done. 789 00:36:31,586 --> 00:36:33,068 I've always been a good employee. 790 00:36:33,068 --> 00:36:35,310 I've never been fired from a job in my entire life. 791 00:36:35,310 --> 00:36:37,344 They pulled me, and the HR person came, 792 00:36:37,344 --> 00:36:38,551 pulled me into a meeting. 793 00:36:38,551 --> 00:36:39,896 They handed me a letter. 794 00:36:39,896 --> 00:36:41,000 I read it. 795 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:42,310 With all your Instagram, due to this, 796 00:36:42,310 --> 00:36:44,172 you're being terminated with cause, 797 00:36:45,034 --> 00:36:46,517 no severance, no anything. 798 00:36:46,517 --> 00:36:51,034 So right now, I'm going through kind of a lawsuit with them, 799 00:36:51,034 --> 00:36:52,931 just feeling like it's not fair, you know, 800 00:36:52,931 --> 00:36:55,241 after seven years working there, to walk me out the door 801 00:36:55,241 --> 00:36:57,827 because you don't agree with something in my lifestyle. 802 00:36:57,827 --> 00:36:59,551 I mean, luckily, I had OnlyFans. 803 00:36:59,551 --> 00:37:02,655 I had a few things coming in that did help, 804 00:37:02,655 --> 00:37:05,137 but it's just a different mindset to all of a sudden, 805 00:37:05,137 --> 00:37:06,551 you know, go on one day and have your, 806 00:37:06,551 --> 00:37:08,586 really, entire life changed. 807 00:37:08,586 --> 00:37:11,000 And the more I looked at different job postings 808 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,034 and looked at other things out there, 809 00:37:13,034 --> 00:37:16,482 I realized that it just, none of that sounded interesting. 810 00:37:17,896 --> 00:37:19,137 It was like, maybe this isn't the end of the world. 811 00:37:19,137 --> 00:37:21,344 Maybe this is a good chance to, you know, 812 00:37:21,344 --> 00:37:23,000 try something that I haven't done before. 813 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,034 It wasn't the right circumstance or the right time 814 00:37:25,034 --> 00:37:27,620 or how it was done, but I do think 815 00:37:27,620 --> 00:37:30,034 that it'll be something that I look back on 816 00:37:30,034 --> 00:37:33,000 and it's something that benefited my life. 817 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,413 - Now that I have kind of come out 818 00:37:35,413 --> 00:37:38,068 as working with sex workers as part of my platform, 819 00:37:38,068 --> 00:37:40,241 it's been a really freeing experience 820 00:37:40,241 --> 00:37:42,655 because the stigma goes away. 821 00:37:42,655 --> 00:37:45,827 I've talked about it on my podcast, Disability After Dark. 822 00:37:45,827 --> 00:37:49,206 I had Raj as a guest a few weeks ago. 823 00:37:53,034 --> 00:37:56,413 - [Announcer] Disability After Dark with Andrew Gurza, 824 00:37:57,931 --> 00:38:01,206 shining a bright light on sex and disability. 825 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,620 [Andrew] Did you feel like, 826 00:38:09,620 --> 00:38:10,689 what did you think when I was like, 827 00:38:10,689 --> 00:38:12,896 "Hey, I'm a wheelchair user." 828 00:38:12,896 --> 00:38:15,862 Did you have any feelings about what that might look like, 829 00:38:15,862 --> 00:38:18,689 what gay sex with a wheelchair user might look like 830 00:38:18,689 --> 00:38:21,172 and how disability would impact all that? 831 00:38:21,172 --> 00:38:22,862 - [Raj] The thing is everybody's different 832 00:38:22,862 --> 00:38:26,551 with however they are, with their disabilities. 833 00:38:26,551 --> 00:38:27,862 So the thing was I was more coming at it 834 00:38:27,862 --> 00:38:30,620 from a place of, you know, curiosity. 835 00:38:30,620 --> 00:38:33,000 I had no idea what to expect. 836 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,310 I just was more curious to see 837 00:38:35,310 --> 00:38:39,517 like how it would sort of like happen. 838 00:38:39,517 --> 00:38:40,344 You know what I mean? 839 00:38:40,344 --> 00:38:41,172 [Andrew] Awesome. 840 00:38:42,724 --> 00:38:44,275 Were you like scared? 841 00:38:44,275 --> 00:38:46,172 Were you like, "Oh, my god, this is wrong, 842 00:38:46,172 --> 00:38:48,275 "What am I doing?" 843 00:38:48,275 --> 00:38:49,344 - [Raj] There was a sense of just 844 00:38:49,344 --> 00:38:50,862 I hope I do everything right. 845 00:38:50,862 --> 00:38:53,931 It was more like you're another human being 846 00:38:53,931 --> 00:38:56,206 looking to experience pleasure, 847 00:38:56,206 --> 00:39:01,206 and our connection will be to help facilitate that. 848 00:39:02,310 --> 00:39:03,793 You know what I mean? 849 00:39:03,793 --> 00:39:05,241 - Thank you so much for being so vulnerable with me 850 00:39:05,241 --> 00:39:07,275 and sharing intimacy with me. 851 00:39:07,275 --> 00:39:09,137 I really appreciate it. 852 00:39:09,137 --> 00:39:11,620 Telling my mom that I work with sex workers 853 00:39:11,620 --> 00:39:14,310 was kind of a long time coming. 854 00:39:14,310 --> 00:39:16,827 I just said, "Okay, look, I work with people, 855 00:39:16,827 --> 00:39:19,034 "I work with sex workers to get my needs met." 856 00:39:19,034 --> 00:39:21,586 She, without missing a beat, said, "Oh, okay. 857 00:39:21,586 --> 00:39:23,379 "If this is what you're doing to make yourself happy 858 00:39:23,379 --> 00:39:26,000 "and this is what you need to feel okay, 859 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:27,827 "I support it." 860 00:39:27,827 --> 00:39:29,827 My family all knows I'm gay. 861 00:39:29,827 --> 00:39:31,931 They know I'm dating Nigel and I live with Nigel. 862 00:39:31,931 --> 00:39:34,758 I would say that's pretty much the extent. 863 00:39:34,758 --> 00:39:37,103 I remember I posted a picture of us, 864 00:39:37,103 --> 00:39:40,551 me and friends in a bar on my family Facebook, 865 00:39:40,551 --> 00:39:42,206 because I have a separate account as well. 866 00:39:42,206 --> 00:39:43,758 Yeah, my mom called and she was like, 867 00:39:43,758 --> 00:39:45,379 "Honey, I'm concerned that you're at a bar drinking," 868 00:39:45,379 --> 00:39:47,172 where I was like, oh, wow, I forgot 869 00:39:47,172 --> 00:39:50,137 we were that many steps back as far as 870 00:39:50,137 --> 00:39:52,206 what you're comfortable with and what you're aware of. 871 00:39:52,206 --> 00:39:55,655 Our lifestyles are so different, but my family knows 872 00:39:55,655 --> 00:40:00,310 I would say on the lower side of most things that I'm doing. 873 00:40:00,310 --> 00:40:02,172 My mom now knows. 874 00:40:02,172 --> 00:40:03,827 It's the one conversation 875 00:40:03,827 --> 00:40:06,965 where I was always so scared to have. 876 00:40:06,965 --> 00:40:08,448 So I initially started talking. 877 00:40:08,448 --> 00:40:09,862 I was like stammering a little bit. 878 00:40:09,862 --> 00:40:11,068 I'm like, oh, my god. 879 00:40:11,068 --> 00:40:13,275 And then once again, I just started to explain 880 00:40:13,275 --> 00:40:17,586 the whole thing about the importance of the work. 881 00:40:17,586 --> 00:40:22,586 And then she says to me that she's listening to my voice 882 00:40:24,034 --> 00:40:26,379 and she says, "Well, I can tell that you're doing it 883 00:40:26,379 --> 00:40:28,103 "from a good place, because I've heard your voice 884 00:40:28,103 --> 00:40:29,517 "when you were not in a good place, 885 00:40:29,517 --> 00:40:31,310 "and I'm hearing your voice now." 886 00:40:31,310 --> 00:40:36,310 And my mom says, you know, "You were meant to be here 887 00:40:37,482 --> 00:40:40,310 "to do something really great, and I can see 888 00:40:40,310 --> 00:40:44,344 "that you're meant to be here to make people happy. 889 00:40:44,344 --> 00:40:45,965 "And for that, I'm proud of you." 890 00:40:47,137 --> 00:40:51,275 And to go to your mom and just say your truth 891 00:40:51,275 --> 00:40:54,793 and just to hear that sense of understanding, 892 00:40:54,793 --> 00:40:58,827 my abilities, I feel like I can tap into them that much more 893 00:40:58,827 --> 00:41:03,689 because that shame, that fear takes up space. 894 00:41:04,896 --> 00:41:06,517 - I'd like to not have secrets in my family. 895 00:41:06,517 --> 00:41:10,206 So we have a very open-minded family 896 00:41:11,965 --> 00:41:16,517 I guess is the way to put it, two gay kids, hippie parents. 897 00:41:16,517 --> 00:41:18,206 I don't like to keep secrets about it 898 00:41:18,206 --> 00:41:22,000 because at a time of survival, it was a secret. 899 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,413 Do I have an exit strategy? 900 00:41:24,413 --> 00:41:25,758 Kind of. 901 00:41:25,758 --> 00:41:26,793 Do I have a plan for it? 902 00:41:26,793 --> 00:41:28,241 Almost. 903 00:41:28,241 --> 00:41:30,931 Do I have a shelf life that I wanna cap it up at? 904 00:41:30,931 --> 00:41:32,379 Absolutely. 905 00:41:32,379 --> 00:41:35,137 Will all those things happen according to plan? 906 00:41:35,137 --> 00:41:36,620 Probably not. 907 00:41:36,620 --> 00:41:39,793 Rogue Showtime Status, five foot eight, 175 pounds. 908 00:41:39,793 --> 00:41:41,241 This is my first time-- 909 00:41:41,241 --> 00:41:44,034 This is a very hard business to exit because it's your body. 910 00:41:44,034 --> 00:41:46,000 You can't just leave yourself. 911 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,034 You get accustomed to a certain lifestyle. 912 00:41:49,034 --> 00:41:51,068 My advice to anybody considering 913 00:41:51,068 --> 00:41:53,827 getting into sex work or porn 914 00:41:55,241 --> 00:41:56,034 is don't. 915 00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,793 The porn industry will shoot you and chew you up 916 00:42:03,793 --> 00:42:06,517 and spit you out until the next best thing comes along, 917 00:42:06,517 --> 00:42:08,724 put you up to pasture before you even knew it. 918 00:42:08,724 --> 00:42:10,862 Then you fall back on your sex work. 919 00:42:10,862 --> 00:42:14,310 And when you become this 40-year-old hooker 920 00:42:14,310 --> 00:42:17,241 that's washed up, then what do you have? 921 00:42:17,241 --> 00:42:18,827 If you're really smart about it 922 00:42:20,551 --> 00:42:21,793 and you do it right, 923 00:42:21,793 --> 00:42:23,724 then you can make your good money and get out. 924 00:42:23,724 --> 00:42:26,758 It's a bit of a trap as well 925 00:42:26,758 --> 00:42:28,413 'cause it's really hard to leave. 926 00:42:30,379 --> 00:42:33,344 - My goal is to kinda push this forward now so that 927 00:42:33,344 --> 00:42:37,724 it can be recognized as an official holistic practice, 928 00:42:37,724 --> 00:42:40,689 because right now, there is no regulation, obviously, 929 00:42:40,689 --> 00:42:42,965 around it because it's relatively new. 930 00:42:42,965 --> 00:42:45,896 Of course, people are more used to going to yoga class, 931 00:42:45,896 --> 00:42:48,310 or buying essential oils, or going for massages, 932 00:42:48,310 --> 00:42:52,344 or even therapy to address their own individual needs. 933 00:42:52,344 --> 00:42:54,758 So if I can get it to that point, then that would mean 934 00:42:54,758 --> 00:42:58,862 that it would allow for, you know, licensing of my teachings 935 00:42:58,862 --> 00:43:01,413 or the practice, maybe writing books around it, 936 00:43:01,413 --> 00:43:05,068 working with businesses who maybe are having HR problems 937 00:43:05,068 --> 00:43:07,103 with what consent is and all that stuff, 938 00:43:07,103 --> 00:43:08,586 working with those people 939 00:43:08,586 --> 00:43:11,517 so that we can progress the narratives around touch 940 00:43:11,517 --> 00:43:14,482 in a healthy way that promote consent. 941 00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,000 - We have our own little family in Toronto of people 942 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,068 that, you know, we're very comfortable with. 943 00:43:22,068 --> 00:43:23,275 We all get along. 944 00:43:23,275 --> 00:43:24,862 We see each other separately, together. 945 00:43:24,862 --> 00:43:26,758 The people that don't want that lifestyle, 946 00:43:26,758 --> 00:43:28,241 they know who we are, 947 00:43:28,241 --> 00:43:30,517 and they either stay away or they keep their distance. 948 00:43:30,517 --> 00:43:32,000 There's that. 949 00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,379 But because we are so open with it, you really do attract 950 00:43:34,379 --> 00:43:37,862 the people that are kind of ready and looking for that. 951 00:43:37,862 --> 00:43:39,862 And so, you know, I would say we're polyamorous 952 00:43:39,862 --> 00:43:41,724 in the sense of we're allowed to have 953 00:43:41,724 --> 00:43:43,931 multiple lovers and partners and friends. 954 00:43:43,931 --> 00:43:45,379 It's that. 955 00:43:45,379 --> 00:43:47,517 But I would say we're even moving past that a little bit 956 00:43:47,517 --> 00:43:51,310 into more of kind of the family structure where, you know, 957 00:43:51,310 --> 00:43:53,586 people that stay around, that's who you're with. 958 00:43:53,586 --> 00:43:55,068 You're not dating. 959 00:43:55,068 --> 00:43:57,034 I'm looking after me in doing that, 960 00:43:57,034 --> 00:43:58,655 but obviously, the people I care about, 961 00:43:58,655 --> 00:44:00,413 I'm gonna put their interests first. 962 00:44:00,413 --> 00:44:02,965 But really, my happiness at the end of the day, 963 00:44:02,965 --> 00:44:04,482 it's up to me to decide. 964 00:44:04,482 --> 00:44:07,551 And people look at our lifestyle 965 00:44:07,551 --> 00:44:10,758 and our sex life especially, something that is 966 00:44:10,758 --> 00:44:13,551 a lot more taboo that people don't talk about, 967 00:44:13,551 --> 00:44:15,103 especially having sex with your friends, 968 00:44:15,103 --> 00:44:16,344 because that's even worse. 969 00:44:16,344 --> 00:44:17,586 It's like, oh, you can have with strangers. 970 00:44:17,586 --> 00:44:20,000 That's kind of the acceptable norm now. 971 00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,620 But people see our Instagram posting 972 00:44:22,620 --> 00:44:24,896 with all these friends in towels. 973 00:44:24,896 --> 00:44:26,275 I mean, hopefully, it's coming through 974 00:44:26,275 --> 00:44:28,137 that our personalities as much as possible, 975 00:44:28,137 --> 00:44:29,724 that it's like these are not just, 976 00:44:29,724 --> 00:44:31,827 oh, they're having sex [mumbles]. 977 00:44:31,827 --> 00:44:33,689 No, these are real genuine people that, 978 00:44:33,689 --> 00:44:35,103 yeah, are just having fun 979 00:44:35,103 --> 00:44:38,137 and sharing their journey with everyone else. 980 00:44:40,206 --> 00:44:42,655 [soft music] 73708

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