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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:31,840 FIRE CRACKLES 2 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:37,960 DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYS 3 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:00,480 - I am the Reverend TJ Stretch, 4 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:04,880 attached as Padre to the formation controlling this camp. 5 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:08,960 This morning, we buried over 5,000 bodies. 6 00:01:08,960 --> 00:01:11,000 We don't know who they are. 7 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:15,000 Behind me, you can see a pit which will contain another 5,000. 8 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:16,680 All these deaths have been caused 9 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:20,000 because of a treatment meted out to these poor people 10 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:21,760 by their SS guards. 11 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:36,120 - Things they have committed, well, 12 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:38,320 nobody'd think they were human at all. 13 00:01:39,960 --> 00:01:42,320 We actually know now 14 00:01:42,320 --> 00:01:44,880 what has been going on in these camps. 15 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:48,080 Erm, I know, personally, what I'm fighting for. 16 00:02:08,920 --> 00:02:11,320 - After the Second World War, 17 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:15,480 some of the worst war criminals in history go to ground. 18 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:18,120 - Hoping that, in the near future, 19 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:20,600 their fortunes will change 20 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:23,320 and they would be players again. 21 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:25,760 - Many change their names, 22 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:28,600 and the most-wanted flee to South America. 23 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:32,560 Others claim the Holocaust never happened, 24 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:35,440 or had nothing to do with them. 25 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:38,520 Told by historians and experts, 26 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:41,040 this is the story of the little-known people 27 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:44,040 searching for truth and justice. 28 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:49,000 - Trying to confront this man who is the murderer of her entire family. 29 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:50,760 It's a hostile environment. 30 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:55,240 - What kind of men are they? Are they mad? 31 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:56,840 They must be mad. 32 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:01,400 - The hunt for Nazi war criminals 33 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:05,080 is without any parallel, to my knowledge, 34 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:07,240 either before or since. 35 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:10,720 - It's a hunt taking place against the backdrop of a world 36 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:13,560 that wants to forget and move on. 37 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:19,520 - Justice for him was everything. 38 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:25,240 - I'm upset that he died without being in a cage. 39 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:35,360 - # Amen. # 40 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:52,280 - At the end of the war, 41 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:56,280 Germany was in pieces. 42 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:58,840 A smoking ruin, basically. 43 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:06,480 The German population was defeated - 44 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:09,840 psychologically, as well as militarily. 45 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:14,320 - The Allies now want to win the peace 46 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:17,320 and help Germany rebuild and move on. 47 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:20,800 But there's also the question - 48 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:23,200 how to deliver justice 49 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:26,080 for the terrible crimes that have been committed. 50 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:35,160 With what remains of Hitler's inner circle now in custody, 51 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:39,680 the Allied leaders meet outside the ruins of Berlin. 52 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:45,080 - At the end of the war, it was really a problem for the Allies 53 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:49,920 deciding what they're going to do once they've captured Nazi leaders. 54 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:52,800 They do find real differences. 55 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:58,280 Churchill doesn't really want a trial at all. 56 00:04:58,280 --> 00:05:01,080 He's quite happy if they're, you know, identified and shot. 57 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:04,480 Stalin, on the Soviet side, wanted trial, 58 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:06,760 but it's really cos they want a show trial. 59 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:09,400 Just put them in the court and then shoot them. 60 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:11,160 It's really only the Americans 61 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:14,440 who want a conventional western-style trial. 62 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:21,320 - The Americans get their way 63 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:23,840 and preparations begin. 64 00:05:23,840 --> 00:05:27,320 A special courtroom is built in Nuremberg. 65 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:32,520 - This is the very first time ever 66 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:34,840 that a government of an enemy state 67 00:05:34,840 --> 00:05:37,480 has been put on trial at the end of a war. 68 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:38,880 It's a complete novelty. 69 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:42,160 - CLOCK TICKS 70 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:45,160 Hitler, 71 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:47,000 Himmler 72 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:50,160 and Goebbels have killed themselves. 73 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:54,560 But in the dock will be Goering, 74 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:56,360 Hitler's right-hand man... 75 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:59,040 CLOCK TICKS 76 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:00,680 ..Albert Speer, 77 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:02,480 who, among other things, 78 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:07,120 oversaw the slave labour system that built the V2 rockets, 79 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:08,760 ..and Ribbentrop, 80 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:10,760 Hitler's Foreign Minister. 81 00:06:13,280 --> 00:06:17,800 In total, 22 of the highest ranking Nazis... 82 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:23,760 ..who will face charges of war crimes, 83 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:27,560 crimes against the peace, conspiracy, 84 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:30,320 and crimes against humanity. 85 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:33,520 CLOCK TICKS, CEASES 86 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:00,480 - The whole purpose of the trial was to put up, 87 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:02,160 in front of public opinion, 88 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:05,080 the terrible things that the Hitler regime did. 89 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:09,120 And they want to tell the world so that the world remembers. 90 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:11,640 - JUSTICE ROBERT H JACKSON: - The wrongs which we seek to punish 91 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,520 have been so malignant and so devastating 92 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:18,560 that civilisation cannot tolerate their being ignored 93 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:22,120 because it cannot survive their being repeated. 94 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:27,280 - I think for a great many of those who had led the Third Reich, 95 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:29,360 they think they might be punished. 96 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:33,000 But the idea that you'll have a huge international tribunal 97 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:35,840 in which they're held before world opinion, 98 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:38,720 I think very few of them had any idea of that. 99 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:43,520 - The defendants are to plead guilty 100 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,120 or not guilty to the charges against them. 101 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:50,920 Hermann Wilhelm Goring. 102 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:58,320 - As the most senior surviving Nazi, 103 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:01,720 Goering is first to make his plea. 104 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:07,560 - Goring knows that everything that he's enjoyed, 105 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:10,040 the power he's had, everything is lost. 106 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:14,480 Now he's thinking to himself, you know, "What do I do?" 107 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:19,000 - TRANSLATION: 108 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:30,360 - He starts off trying to make a speech. 109 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:33,320 "Here I am, I'm going to tell you how it was 110 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:35,520 "and you've got to take me seriously." 111 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:41,680 - JUDGE: - The defendants are not entitled to make a statement. 112 00:08:41,680 --> 00:08:44,840 You must plead guilty or not guilty. 113 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:52,720 - And of course he can't make a speech, 114 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:54,080 but he does make it clear 115 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:56,640 that he doesn't respect the trial or the indictment, 116 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:58,960 and that's really what he wants to get across. 117 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:17,440 - All of the other defendants follow suit. 118 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:23,480 No-one accepts responsibility for the crimes of the Third Reich. 119 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:29,840 It's clear that Allied prosecutors 120 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:32,760 have a battle to prove their guilt, 121 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:34,480 and through them, 122 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:37,160 the guilt of the regime they served. 123 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:53,240 Not all high-ranking Nazis have been captured. 124 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:55,440 The job of tracking them down 125 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:58,400 and finding evidence of their crimes 126 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:00,800 falls to Allied soldiers. 127 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:06,200 One of them is 32-year-old Captain Victor Cross. 128 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:10,240 Before the war, he worked in the leather trade in Northampton. 129 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:15,400 Now, he's head of a small field security section 130 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:17,400 in Allied-occupied Germany. 131 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:23,160 - A field security section... 132 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:26,680 ..they're a bridge between 133 00:10:26,680 --> 00:10:31,000 military intelligence and civil policing, 134 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:35,720 and they basically go Nazi-hunting. 135 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:42,520 The Germans were not stupid. 136 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:44,520 They knew the game was up. 137 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:48,000 A lot of records were destroyed. 138 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:51,680 - But evidence is mounting 139 00:10:51,680 --> 00:10:53,600 of those crimes against humanity 140 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:55,880 that were committed at Nazi camps. 141 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:02,120 - Not just Belsen, Auschwitz, Sachsenhausen, Ravensbruck - 142 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:06,040 all these concentration camps, 143 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:09,160 whose names still resound 144 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:11,920 with a sinister ring, even today. 145 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:19,160 - Allied HQ give Cross a list of suspects to find... 146 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:24,680 ..the worst of whom are implicated in the Nazi genocide. 147 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:33,360 But immediately, there's a problem. 148 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:37,440 The list has over 70,000 names. 149 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:43,880 - The task is daunting, without doubt. 150 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:47,120 The scale of the hunt 151 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:50,880 for Nazi war criminals 152 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:53,280 is without any parallel, 153 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:55,600 either before or since. 154 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:06,360 - On this list are men like Klaus Barbie... 155 00:12:07,560 --> 00:12:09,120 ..one of the Gestapo chiefs 156 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:12,040 who tortured and murdered the French Resistance. 157 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:17,000 He's escaped from Allied custody and changed his name. 158 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:21,360 Adolf Eichmann, the bureaucrat 159 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:25,000 who managed the implementation of the Final Solution, 160 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:27,440 is living under a new identity, 161 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:30,480 pretending to be a chicken farmer. 162 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:34,400 Josef Mengele, the doctor of Auschwitz 163 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:37,400 who conducted murderous and perverted experiments 164 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:39,400 on men, women and children. 165 00:12:40,680 --> 00:12:44,040 He's plotting his escape to South America. 166 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:48,600 And Rudolf Hoss, 167 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:50,840 the commandant of Auschwitz... 168 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:56,840 ..who personally perfected the devastating system of mass murder 169 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:59,320 at the largest Nazi death camp. 170 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:06,720 He's complicit in the murders of over 1 million people. 171 00:13:13,680 --> 00:13:17,840 And it's about Hoss that Cross gets his first lead... 172 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:21,160 ..as he finds out that Hoss's wife 173 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:24,360 has been recognised in a sugar factory nearby. 174 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:38,560 - You don't know what you're going to find... 175 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:44,960 ..and so you have to be ready for whatever eventuality. 176 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:47,880 He could have a riot on his hands - who knows? 177 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:48,960 - BANGING 178 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:06,800 But what they don't find among the factory workers 179 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:10,160 is their target - Rudolf Hoss. 180 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:32,600 But the intelligence on Hoss's wife is good. 181 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:35,080 She's set up home above the factory. 182 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:42,080 There's no sign of Hoss here either. 183 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:50,720 But they do find shocking reminders of the family's Nazi past. 184 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:57,280 - The British find - first, they find jewellery 185 00:14:57,280 --> 00:14:59,440 looted from Auschwitz prisoners 186 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:02,360 in Hedwig Hoss's squalid accommodation. 187 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:06,480 And they find the visitor book 188 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:08,840 of their house in Auschwitz. 189 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:13,960 This is a trophy she has kept with her. 190 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:19,400 Hedwig and the children lived together with Rudolf Hoss 191 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:22,600 during the Second World War at the Auschwitz camp. 192 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:30,680 She knows about the gas chambers, 193 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:33,880 she knows about the mass killings, 194 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:38,000 she is a convinced Nazi, she is a convinced anti-Semite. 195 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:44,080 She also believes in the idea of Nazi patriarchy... 196 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:50,680 ..and she absolutely decides not to tell the British 197 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:53,520 about the whereabouts of her husband. 198 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:58,440 She therefore lies that he is dead. 199 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:05,440 - But Cross notices there's no photograph of her dead husband, 200 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:08,800 something he'd expect a widow to have. 201 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:11,800 - You are not convinced she's telling the truth, 202 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:13,920 you have noticed the absence 203 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:17,040 of a photograph of the husband and father, 204 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:21,440 and you think, "OK, OK, meine frau, we'll be back. 205 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:23,960 "We are patient, we'll be back." 206 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:57,480 - Hedwig Hoss knows full well her husband isn't dead. 207 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:01,200 She was with him just days before the total German surrender. 208 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:04,440 - In May 1945, 209 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:08,800 leading SS officials in charge of the concentration camps 210 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:11,680 fled to the pathetic last stronghold of the Third Reich 211 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:13,840 in Flensburg in Schleswig-Holstein. 212 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:21,320 Here, some of the worst perpetrators of Nazi crimes... 213 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:25,040 ..here they are all together for the last time. 214 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:36,240 Heinrich Himmler, the Reich leader of the SS, 215 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:39,800 ordered senior SS officers 216 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:44,680 to shed the uniform and to go into hiding. 217 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:54,880 The SS uniform has been an insignia of power, of pride, of dominance. 218 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:59,360 For SS officers who have occupied these positions of huge power 219 00:17:59,360 --> 00:18:03,360 and influence over the lives and deaths of millions of people, 220 00:18:03,360 --> 00:18:06,440 the end of the Third Reich is like an apocalypse. 221 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:19,640 Now they are changing from the hunters into being hunted. 222 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:31,440 - Now, in an innocuous Navy uniform... 223 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:35,800 ..Hoss joins the queue to be captured. 224 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:54,000 Following Germany's surrender, 225 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:58,160 seven-and-a-half million Armed Forces personnel 226 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:01,840 are held in British and American camps. 227 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:20,400 - The Third Reich, the SS, 228 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:23,720 his livelihood, his ideology, 229 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:25,400 have all crumbled. 230 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:29,120 For Hoss, there is only one thing now, 231 00:19:29,120 --> 00:19:31,200 and that is himself, that is his own life. 232 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:40,320 - As well as a new uniform, 233 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:43,600 he's armed himself with fake identity papers... 234 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:49,440 ..and his captors don't realise who they have. 235 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:02,720 Under his alias of Petty Officer Franz Lang, 236 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:04,680 Hoss is released 237 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,640 after just a few weeks. 238 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:11,720 - One of the most notorious mass murderers of the 20th century, 239 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:16,040 suddenly, he's a nobody with a false identity. 240 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:20,760 He probably thinks that he has got away with it. 241 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:26,040 Some war criminals simply slip through the net. 242 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:50,160 - Meanwhile, at Nuremberg, 243 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:53,520 the prosecution are beginning to build their case. 244 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:57,320 But behind the scenes, 245 00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:58,840 there is a concern. 246 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:03,160 One of the 22 defendants 247 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:04,920 has killed himself. 248 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:14,800 It's the American prison interpreter, Gustave Gilbert, 249 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:17,000 who has to deal with the fallout. 250 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:29,960 - It's true then as it is now, 251 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:33,600 that a suicide in a prison is a disaster. 252 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:38,280 But it's a particular disaster in Nuremberg 253 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:41,760 because these defendants have got to come to trial. 254 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:46,040 It's very important that all these defendants are cross-examined, 255 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:51,000 get to give their own testimony, and are also seen to face justice. 256 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:55,440 The commandant is clearly determined 257 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:59,280 that nobody else escapes justice by suicide. 258 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:04,120 He asks Gustave Gilbert to actually form the kinds of relationships 259 00:22:04,120 --> 00:22:06,240 with these defendants, 260 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:10,280 such that he will be able to pick up 261 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:12,920 whether people are making plans to kill themselves, 262 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:14,520 whether their mood is changing. 263 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,760 - Gilbert has a PhD in psychology, 264 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:22,480 and is given the job of prison psychologist 265 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:25,120 and put on the suicide watch. 266 00:22:25,120 --> 00:22:28,600 - He was a young man at the beginning of his career 267 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:32,560 and this job is really serious. 268 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:34,760 He is serving the process of justice. 269 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:40,760 I think Gilbert must feel the weight of history on his shoulders. 270 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:52,200 - So Gustave Gilbert is now in a unique psychological position. 271 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,720 A Jewish man from New York, 272 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:58,960 he has the opportunity to study the psyche of Hitler's inner circle. 273 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:04,920 He decides to conduct his own personal investigation. 274 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:18,160 JUDGE: - Prosecution for the United States will at this time 275 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:23,080 present a documentary film on concentration camps. 276 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:27,600 - Here is a way to make visible to the defendants, 277 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:29,520 and of course to the wider world, 278 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:33,000 the reality of the crimes against humanity 279 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,680 of which the prisoners are indicted. 280 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:37,840 "Here it is, this is what you did." 281 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,320 It's a change moment for Goring. 282 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:15,000 I think after that, he begins to realise what it is 283 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,320 that the Allies are going to pin on them. 284 00:24:24,120 --> 00:24:27,080 - This film is very disturbing. 285 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:30,640 Gilbert is very concerned 286 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:35,480 that their suicide risk might go up with this evidence in full view. 287 00:24:39,120 --> 00:24:41,360 - Number one on his watch 288 00:24:41,360 --> 00:24:43,640 is Hermann Goring. 289 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,920 - With Hitler and Goebbels both dead, 290 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:51,120 there's no doubt that Goring really is the most important prisoner. 291 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,280 He was President of the German parliament. 292 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,240 He was Minister President of Prussia, 293 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,760 he was the Commander In Chief of the Air Force, 294 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,440 he was the Head of the Four-Year Plan and so on. 295 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,720 - Meeting a high-profile defendant 296 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,800 can be an occasion of tension. 297 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,880 For all of us who work in prisons, 298 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,920 there is a moment when you see this person 299 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:33,560 in a situation where the roles have completely reversed. 300 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,080 They are no longer the powerful ones. 301 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,880 There's this rather ordinary person just sitting there. 302 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:44,720 But I think for Gilbert, 303 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,520 the ordinariness slips away quite quickly, 304 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:49,800 because Goring doesn't hold back. 305 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,120 - After the film has been shown, 306 00:25:53,120 --> 00:25:56,840 Gilbert visits him to see, really, what Goring's reaction is. 307 00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:58,560 And Goring's reaction is, you know, 308 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,880 "They showed that awful film, it spoiled everything"... 309 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,440 ..which is an extraordinary reaction. 310 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,400 You know, you really ought to be saying, "My God, this was terrible. 311 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,120 "How did we do that?" 312 00:26:10,120 --> 00:26:12,400 It's the point at which Goring's already, I think, 313 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,200 begun to create a kind of psychological block. 314 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:20,320 I think Goring just blocked it out during the Third Reich, too. 315 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:26,360 - In reality, Goring cannot distance himself from it. 316 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:30,720 He authorised anti-Semitic policies... 317 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,800 ..set up concentration camps in the '30s... 318 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:39,560 ..and he was by Hitler's side during much of the genocide. 319 00:26:45,360 --> 00:26:47,200 - From Gustave Gilbert's point of view, 320 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,480 this is a massive experiment, 321 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:55,240 this is about the minds of the Nazi high command. 322 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,080 But Gilbert has no manual. 323 00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:01,040 He has to just go it alone as best he can, 324 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,160 with the tools of the day. 325 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:08,680 - He carries out psychological tests on Goring, 326 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,800 including ink blot and IQ tests 327 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:13,360 that he's adapted. 328 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:18,360 - I think what Gilbert wants to know is what the world wants to know - 329 00:27:18,360 --> 00:27:19,800 are they mad? 330 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:21,400 They must be mad. 331 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,320 Or are they just people 332 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,040 who've done horrible things for horrible motives? 333 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:35,920 - Gilbert concludes that Goring is highly intelligent, 334 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:40,320 and he gets similar results for the other Nazi defendants. 335 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,560 - So, the question then remains is, 336 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:47,360 how do apparently ordinary men, 337 00:27:47,360 --> 00:27:49,680 mentally normal men, 338 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:56,760 carry out this kind of level of cruelty and oppression and damage? 339 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,760 - November 1945, 340 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:05,720 and the German population 341 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:09,240 is only just beginning to come to terms with the truth. 342 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,600 Other public trials are taking place, 343 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,600 including that of the SS guards at Belsen. 344 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,160 These are former electricians, 345 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,240 hairdressers, 346 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,120 farmers' daughters, 347 00:28:32,120 --> 00:28:34,800 who became torturers and murderers. 348 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,440 And during the trial, 349 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:50,240 one name keeps coming up over and over again - 350 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,320 Rudolf Hoss, 351 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,760 the commandant of Auschwitz. 352 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,280 Victor Cross and his men 353 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,640 are on the trail of the missing man. 354 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:12,800 - They are on the ground, 355 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,840 investigating, following leads, 356 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:19,200 talking to acquaintances. 357 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,280 It's painstaking work, 358 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,680 verging on police detective work. 359 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:31,920 It's not some streak of lightning from above. 360 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,720 - Cross believes that Hoss is still alive 361 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:41,360 and has likely heard from his wife that they're after him. 362 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,480 Time is ticking. 363 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:50,200 - You've got a very big target 364 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,320 with Rudolf Hoss. 365 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:57,040 This man was evil, what he did, 366 00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:02,040 hundreds and thousands of human beings murdered. 367 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,640 Let's not dance around the bush, it's murder. 368 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:08,600 And you've got to keep going. 369 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:15,480 - But over six months have passed since Hoss went into hiding, 370 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:19,160 and Cross still doesn't know where to find him. 371 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:30,960 In Nuremberg, 372 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,040 the prosecution is still building its case, 373 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,920 with testimony from death camp survivors. 374 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,000 TRANSLATION: 375 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:02,240 - In February, a woman gives gruelling testimony in court 376 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,280 and it's horrifying. 377 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:10,040 - But even this evidence fails to break through to the Nazi leaders. 378 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,800 Each has a different response. 379 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,800 - Goring's very affected by it, he takes his headphones off, 380 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,720 he doesn't want to listen to it, doesn't want to confront it. 381 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:22,240 He talks to Gilbert, 382 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,600 he makes it clear that he's heard enough of this stuff, 383 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,360 he doesn't want to hear any more. 384 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,920 He is always trying to block out... 385 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:37,520 ..erm, the sharp reality of the Third Reich. 386 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,280 - Up until this point, 387 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,720 Gilbert has been an observer, 388 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:44,800 studying their psychology. 389 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,640 But after hearing the witness testimony, 390 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,920 he confronts Goring, 391 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:54,160 and tries to make him acknowledge what he has done. 392 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,520 - Gilbert gets very angry with the defendants. 393 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:03,200 He clearly is maddened and distressed by what he's heard. 394 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:09,240 He wants them to accept responsibility and show remorse, 395 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:10,760 and they won't do it. 396 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,000 - Goring refuses to respond, 397 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:20,400 and goes on to complain that his room is too cold. 398 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:28,520 - My experience of working with people who've done horrible things 399 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:32,200 is that in order to carry out a horrible action, 400 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,800 in order to kill somebody else or be cruel to them, 401 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,400 you generally have to convince yourself 402 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,000 that you're doing something that's justifiable. 403 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,600 So you kind of tell a story of yourself that it's OK. 404 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:49,440 Goring, in his view, is that he was doing everything 405 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:53,640 that was required for the greater Germany to succeed and to triumph. 406 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,440 - Goring still claims 407 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:02,400 these horrors only took place on the peripheries of the regime. 408 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:08,160 He continues to deny the enormity of what happened. 409 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,240 - He's preparing for his defence. 410 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:11,640 He's still preparing to say, 411 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,120 "Terrible things that you've been showing have all been done 412 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,480 "by somebody else, a fraction of the Third Reich." 413 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,760 You know, "That is not the Third Reich." 414 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,800 - Across the prison corridor, 415 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:31,840 in the cell opposite, 416 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:35,520 another defendant is taking a very different approach... 417 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,040 ..Albert Speer, 418 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:45,160 Hitler's architect who controlled slave labour camps 419 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,640 and personally oversaw the expansion of Auschwitz. 420 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:54,400 - Speer was deeply involved in the persecution of the Jews. 421 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:55,520 - PRODUCTION SLATE CLAPS 422 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:59,080 - He used concentration camp inmates 423 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:00,680 for war production, 424 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:05,160 so Speer knows exactly what is going on in these camps. 425 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:06,560 - CLOCK TICKS 426 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,640 But Speer was cunning. 427 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:12,320 He spent the last months of the war hiding evidence. 428 00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:17,440 - When Speer pleads not guilty, he has a big advantage 429 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:22,320 because the prosecutors don't know 430 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:27,440 about his close cooperation with Himmler and the SS, 431 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:31,360 and there is a lack of documents about his crimes. 432 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:40,480 Speer's strategy is to deny all knowledge about atrocities, 433 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:47,880 and to claim that he just had been an architect and a technocrat. 434 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,640 - CLOCK TICKS 435 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:52,680 Speer is clever enough to realise 436 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,360 that denying everything won't be enough. 437 00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,160 - He's anxious. 438 00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:03,440 He's horrified by the prospect of being hanged. 439 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,560 - By March 1946, 440 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,600 the Allies are fracturing. 441 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,680 The Soviets are putting up the Iron Curtain, 442 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,800 dividing eastern Europe from the west. 443 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:31,400 And while Germany wants to move on from Nazism, 444 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,120 the crimes of the concentration camps 445 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,720 are only just beginning to be punished. 446 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,840 The whereabouts of Rudolf Hoss, 447 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,120 the commandant of Auschwitz, 448 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:44,720 are still unknown. 449 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,800 Captain Cross, of the Field Security Section, 450 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,960 decides to arrest his wife and eldest son. 451 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:13,760 - Clearly, their primary lead to Hoss was his wife. 452 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:22,000 For five days, she is asked the same question over and over - 453 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:23,640 "Where is your husband?" 454 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:28,000 And the reply is, over and over, "He is dead". 455 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:33,160 - Despite being separated from her children for five days, 456 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,280 she holds firm. 457 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,600 But Cross doesn't give up. 458 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:41,720 - "Whilst there is a possibility this woman is lying, 459 00:36:41,720 --> 00:36:43,800 "we will try and break her." 460 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:48,600 - On the sixth day, 461 00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,200 Cross ups the pressure. 462 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:55,080 His men have commandeered a train which now pulls up outside. 463 00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:02,920 Cross tells Hedwig that unless she gives her husband up, 464 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,440 her son will be put on the train 465 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,560 and sent to Siberia. 466 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:36,720 - Maybe he gets a shot of adrenaline at this point. 467 00:37:43,240 --> 00:37:46,280 - She's given Cross the name of a farm complex, 468 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,440 just 70 miles away. 469 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,480 - He would know those men inside out, 470 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:58,320 cos they've been together under stressful conditions, 471 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,840 and he will know... 472 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:05,160 ..in particular, that the Jewish soldiers 473 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:10,560 will be thinking of the dreadful happenings in the camps. 474 00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:16,000 They will all know what's at stake. 475 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:17,360 - BANGING 476 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,560 - Initially, Hoss thinks, "This is a burglary". 477 00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:23,400 He feels so sure of himself, 478 00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,760 he feels so confident that he's beyond reproach. 479 00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:28,360 - DOOR THUDS OPEN 480 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,440 They check for a cyanide capsule 481 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:37,240 and find a mark of an SS soldier - 482 00:38:37,240 --> 00:38:39,320 a blood group tattoo. 483 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:43,440 But Hoss maintains he's Franz Lang. 484 00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:48,560 - Frau Hoss had given Cross the alias, 485 00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:53,160 so when Hoss uses it, "Ah." 486 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,280 All falls into place. "We've got the right man." 487 00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:05,760 Some of his soldiers turn to violence. 488 00:39:07,240 --> 00:39:12,000 Cross maybe thinks, "Yes, this bastard needs to suffer, 489 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,040 "suffer here and now". 490 00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:30,840 Does he let a handful of his soldiers 491 00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:34,920 beat this man, possibly to death, 492 00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:36,680 or does he step in? 493 00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:40,800 - SOLDIER SPITS 494 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:51,520 - I think that many of the other officers' intervention 495 00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:54,360 brought Cross up sharply 496 00:39:54,360 --> 00:40:02,040 from indulging in illegal behaviour by his soldiers to, 497 00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,040 "Right, this stops now." 498 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,840 - Cross doesn't yet realise how significant 499 00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,480 his intervention will prove to be. 500 00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,880 On the 18th of March 1946, 501 00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:33,360 Hermann Goring takes the stand and faces cross-examination. 502 00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:36,680 - After months and months, 503 00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:41,560 he's got his chance, in front of the world, basically. 504 00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:45,520 It's a chance for Goring, really, to put on record 505 00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,600 a different view of the Third Reich 506 00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:49,960 from the view that the prosecution has been presenting. 507 00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,120 - JUDGE: - You... 508 00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,720 ..and others 509 00:40:59,720 --> 00:41:04,960 cooperated in concentrating all authority in the German state 510 00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:06,680 in the hands of the Fuhrer. 511 00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:08,960 - TRANSLATION: 512 00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:22,200 Finally able to make his case, 513 00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,360 Goring turns the accusations 514 00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,760 against him into a celebration 515 00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,680 of the Nazi domination of Europe. 516 00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,720 - At this point, Goring is still defending it, 517 00:41:32,720 --> 00:41:37,120 he's still thinking that there was much about the Third Reich, 518 00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:41,280 much about the Fuhrer, to be positive about. 519 00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:44,760 And despite everything that's happened so far in the trial, 520 00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,080 I think Goring is still hoping that 521 00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,880 that's the message he can somehow get across. 522 00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,880 He wants to defend the reputation of the Third Reich. 523 00:41:56,240 --> 00:41:59,440 - But just as Goring smirks in the dock... 524 00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,120 ..at the same time, 525 00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:07,120 Hoss is beginning to talk. 526 00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:13,720 - Hoss no longer has to live under the alias of Franz Lang, 527 00:42:13,720 --> 00:42:16,280 he can now openly say again who he is. 528 00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:21,880 By talking about the number of prisoners he personally killed, 529 00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:26,880 he is re-enacting his true self. 530 00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,800 For Hoss, this is nothing to be ashamed of. 531 00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:33,840 This is something, in his perverted mindset, to be proud of. 532 00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,960 - Unbeknownst to Hermann Goring, 533 00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:49,560 news of Hoss's confession reaches the American prosecution team. 534 00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:53,320 CELL DOOR OPENS 535 00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:14,400 - Hoss is suddenly told, "OK, you can have a haircut, you can shave. 536 00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,240 "We're taking off your handcuffs. 537 00:43:16,240 --> 00:43:18,040 "Put on some cleaner clothes. 538 00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,600 "We are going to take you to Nuremberg." 539 00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,440 - After months in obscurity, 540 00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:29,360 Hoss finds himself about to step on to the global stage... 541 00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,760 ..as a last-minute witness. 542 00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,120 TRANSLATION: 543 00:43:56,000 --> 00:44:00,200 His confession, read out for the court and the world to hear, 544 00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:03,280 will ring out in history. 545 00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:10,000 - "I commanded Auschwitz until 1 December '43 546 00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:15,720 "and estimate that at least 2,500,000 victims 547 00:44:15,720 --> 00:44:18,960 "were executed and exterminated there 548 00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,800 "by gassing and burning." 549 00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:26,040 You signed that affidavit voluntarily, 550 00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,360 and the affidavit is true? 551 00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:36,360 - Hoss is the first senior Nazi 552 00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:40,320 who puts it on the record, "We did it". 553 00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:46,400 - Hoss is the first to explain in detail 554 00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:51,080 the processes of systemised mass murder used in the death camps - 555 00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:55,360 the planning, the infrastructure, the policy. 556 00:44:56,720 --> 00:45:01,240 - Goring, Speer and the other defendants 557 00:45:01,240 --> 00:45:04,440 can no longer deny the truth, 558 00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:07,680 that the flagship project of Nazi Germany 559 00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:11,800 was the mass annihilation of the Jews of Europe. 560 00:45:14,240 --> 00:45:16,680 - Gilbert is feeling, "This is it. 561 00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:20,240 "You can't deceive yourself any more. 562 00:45:20,240 --> 00:45:23,760 "This is irrefutable evidence from one of your own people 563 00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:27,600 "about the nuts and bolts of what you did." 564 00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,480 - It certainly does deflate Goring. 565 00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:34,480 He says, "After this, there's nothing we can do". 566 00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,360 From this point on, really, 567 00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:39,080 Goring begins to decline. 568 00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:42,360 It's finally the nail in the coffin 569 00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:45,440 for anybody who thinks they can find a way of defending themselves. 570 00:45:55,920 --> 00:46:00,480 - But one man is yet to take to the stand. 571 00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:05,720 - Speer had time to rethink his strategy 572 00:46:05,720 --> 00:46:11,000 and time to distinguish himself from all the others. 573 00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:15,440 The Hoss statement makes it clear for Speer 574 00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:19,840 that he has to condemn the regime as evil. 575 00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:34,400 On the morning of his cross-examination, 576 00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:36,880 Speer is well prepared. 577 00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:44,520 For Speer, it's THE decisive moment of his life. 578 00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:51,280 He knows exactly what he wants to say, 579 00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:55,920 he knows exactly how he wants to present himself. 580 00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:04,360 - JUDGE: - Name, please. 581 00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:09,000 Will you repeat this oath after me? 582 00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:10,560 I swear by God... 583 00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:14,360 ..that I will speak the pure truth... 584 00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:18,920 ..and will withhold nothing. 585 00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:23,320 You may sit down. 586 00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:34,080 - In court, Speer is lying all the time. 587 00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:38,520 He shows sadness and horror. 588 00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,720 Speer is an actor, 589 00:47:43,720 --> 00:47:45,280 a successful actor. 590 00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:51,040 - Speer has seen how denials alone have been met by the court, 591 00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:55,160 and so he gambles on taking a different approach. 592 00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:58,120 - Speer plays a clever game. 593 00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:03,600 He takes a general responsibility for the regime, 594 00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:07,880 but he denies any personal guilt. 595 00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:15,400 Speer denies any knowledge of atrocities. 596 00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:19,120 The only thing Speer admits to is 597 00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:21,200 that he should have known... 598 00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:24,520 ..that he should've asked. 599 00:48:26,240 --> 00:48:28,240 In reality, he knew. 600 00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:32,880 - The tribunal will now adjourn. 601 00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:44,200 - At the end of August 1946, 602 00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,880 after nine gruelling months, 603 00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:50,280 the hearing of evidence is at an end. 604 00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:18,240 Rudolf Hoss is flown to Poland. 605 00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:33,520 He has returned to the scene of his crimes, 606 00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:35,880 and he will be put on trial. 607 00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:48,840 And in Nuremberg, 608 00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:50,880 the verdicts are in. 609 00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:58,960 JUDGE: - Defendant Hermann Wilhelm Goring, 610 00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:01,920 the International Military Tribunal 611 00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,920 sentences you to death by hanging. 612 00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:10,840 The record discloses no excuses for this man. 613 00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:14,800 - MUSIC: Requiem in D Minor by Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart 614 00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:23,680 - Tribunal finds that Speer is not guilty on counts one and two, 615 00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:29,320 but IS guilty under counts three and four. 616 00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:35,080 Defendant Albert Speer, the Tribunal sentences you to 20 years in prison. 617 00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:42,680 - Speer got away with his involvement in Nazi crimes. 618 00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:45,560 He definitely should have hanged. 619 00:50:48,720 --> 00:50:53,400 But Speer was so clever in his appearance, 620 00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:57,120 and they want to believe him 621 00:50:57,120 --> 00:51:02,200 and they want to believe that there is a good Nazi, 622 00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:03,480 a noble Nazi. 623 00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:08,840 - It's a role he'll play for the rest of his life. 624 00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:20,240 Gustave Gilbert has endured the harrowing year-long trial 625 00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:22,360 alongside the defendants. 626 00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:27,920 - Gustave Gilbert had to sit through 627 00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:31,800 every single day of the Nuremberg trials, 628 00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:34,040 and he's kind of burnt out. 629 00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:38,720 And there's something about weariness and anger 630 00:51:38,720 --> 00:51:42,240 with the defendants that is a bit overwhelming for him. 631 00:51:42,240 --> 00:51:44,920 - After the sentencing, 632 00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:47,520 Gilbert makes a request to go home. 633 00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:50,200 It's denied. 634 00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:52,880 He must see out the executions. 635 00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:55,760 - He is expected to carry out orders 636 00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:59,360 and he has to stay to do a distasteful task. 637 00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:13,040 - Goring makes a request to the Tribunal 638 00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:15,720 to be shot by firing squad and not hanged. 639 00:52:15,720 --> 00:52:19,760 Goring is trying to say, "Can't you respect me for what I am? 640 00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,080 "I was the Reichsmarschall of the Third Reich. 641 00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:24,760 "I want to have a Reichsmarschall's end. 642 00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:27,120 "I don't want to be strung up like a common criminal." 643 00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:32,720 - It's Gilbert who's dispatched 644 00:52:32,720 --> 00:52:36,440 to give the answer to Goring's final request. 645 00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:41,800 - I wonder if it was felt that Gilbert was the best man for the job. 646 00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:44,840 It's possible that he volunteers for the job. 647 00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:49,000 He's not going to see Goring alive again, their dialogues are over. 648 00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:52,800 I wonder whether he wants to tell Goring what he thinks of him. 649 00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:05,720 - You know, Goring really wants Gilbert 650 00:53:05,720 --> 00:53:07,960 to say something reassuring, perhaps. 651 00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:10,480 He says, "What have you thought about my personality?" 652 00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:13,800 and Gilbert is...is candid. 653 00:53:21,240 --> 00:53:23,160 He says, "You're a moral coward, 654 00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:25,640 "you stand aside from responsibility". 655 00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:33,440 Goring is not pleased by this response. 656 00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:36,280 Perhaps he realises there's a germ of truth 657 00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:38,960 in what it is that Gilbert's saying to him. 658 00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:42,840 He has spent much of the trial trying to evade the worst. 659 00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,760 - Gilbert delivers the last blow... 660 00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:53,080 ..news that Goring's request for a firing squad has been denied. 661 00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:57,040 - I wonder whether it was important 662 00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:00,880 for Gilbert to have the last word 663 00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:03,560 and to turn and walk away... 664 00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:10,360 ..leaving Goring under no illusions what Dr Gilbert thought about him. 665 00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,760 But Goring had no intention 666 00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:19,480 of letting other people have the last word. 667 00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:26,800 - This must be the point at which Goring is beginning to consider 668 00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:29,720 that there might be another way to evade the noose. 669 00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:06,160 - The executions are due to take place in just two hours' time... 670 00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:15,840 ..but Goring's already dead. 671 00:55:17,720 --> 00:55:20,920 He's managed to get hold of a cyanide capsule. 672 00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:26,400 - Whether it was slipped in by a guard 673 00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:29,440 or whether it was somehow hidden on his person doesn't really matter. 674 00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:32,000 The point is that Goring decided 675 00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:34,560 he's not going to be hanged like a common criminal, 676 00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:36,480 he's going to kill himself. 677 00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:41,400 - I suspect that Gilbert might feel 678 00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:43,840 some kind of relief that Goring is dead, 679 00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:47,280 he might feel anger that he's escaped the hanging. 680 00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:52,000 But he might just feel glad that perhaps, finally, 681 00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,480 this chapter of his life is coming to an end, 682 00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:57,360 that however it's happened, it's happened. 683 00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:05,000 - Goring may have evaded the Allies' penalty for his crimes... 684 00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:08,840 ..but he's emphatically failed 685 00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:12,760 to keep his version of the Third Reich's legacy alive. 686 00:56:16,720 --> 00:56:19,840 - By the end of the trial, what we have is a situation where 687 00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:24,720 a extraordinary level of atrocity and genocide 688 00:56:24,720 --> 00:56:26,320 has been exposed, 689 00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:30,120 and the Third Reich will always be remembered 690 00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:33,520 for the sheer scale of human damage. 691 00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:39,880 - As he walks away from Nuremberg, 692 00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:44,480 Gilbert's learnt that these are ordinarily intelligent men. 693 00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:49,720 He's learnt that they have a capacity to deceive themselves, 694 00:56:49,720 --> 00:56:53,880 and that you can use all kinds of nationalist discourse 695 00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:56,520 to convince yourself that you're doing the right thing 696 00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:58,600 when you're really doing the wrong thing. 697 00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:00,440 - DOOR CLATTERS 698 00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:15,320 - With the execution of Hoss, 699 00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:18,120 with the execution of other leading Nazis, 700 00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:21,440 full justice has not been served, 701 00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:24,360 because the monstrosity of the Third Reich's crimes 702 00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:28,000 was so heinous, it was so unprecedented, 703 00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:32,080 that the process of reckoning with the Nazi past 704 00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:34,440 will probably never be complete. 705 00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:47,760 - MUSIC: Moonlight Sonata No 14 by Ludwig van Beethoven 706 00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:07,040 The hunt continues. 707 00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:11,000 - Eichmann knows that his options have run out. 708 00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:15,240 - Klaus Barbie was master of life and death. 709 00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:17,960 - All of a sudden, they're realising 710 00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:21,640 that their star source is, in fact, a monster. 711 00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:26,120 - Justice was denied. 712 01:00:36,900 --> 01:00:39,380 After the Second World War, 713 01:00:39,380 --> 01:00:43,460 some of the worst war criminals in history go to ground. 714 01:00:43,460 --> 01:00:46,060 - Hoping that, in the near future, 715 01:00:46,060 --> 01:00:48,500 their fortunes will change 716 01:00:48,500 --> 01:00:51,620 and they would be players again. 717 01:00:51,620 --> 01:00:53,820 - Many changed their names, 718 01:00:53,820 --> 01:00:56,220 and the most-wanted flee to South America. 719 01:00:57,700 --> 01:01:00,580 Others claim the Holocaust never happened, 720 01:01:00,580 --> 01:01:02,420 or had nothing to do with them. 721 01:01:03,460 --> 01:01:06,340 Told by historians and experts, 722 01:01:06,340 --> 01:01:08,980 this is the story of the little-known people 723 01:01:08,980 --> 01:01:11,980 searching for truth and justice. 724 01:01:11,980 --> 01:01:16,860 - Trying to confront this man who is the murderer of her entire family. 725 01:01:16,860 --> 01:01:18,980 It's a hostile environment. 726 01:01:20,460 --> 01:01:23,300 - What kind of men are they? Are they mad? 727 01:01:23,300 --> 01:01:25,100 They must be mad. 728 01:01:26,340 --> 01:01:29,420 - The hunt for Nazi war criminals 729 01:01:29,420 --> 01:01:31,660 is without any parallel, 730 01:01:31,660 --> 01:01:35,620 to my knowledge, either before or since. 731 01:01:35,620 --> 01:01:38,780 - It's a hunt taking place against the backdrop of a world 732 01:01:38,780 --> 01:01:41,660 that wants to forget and move on. 733 01:01:45,140 --> 01:01:47,500 - Justice, for him, was everything. 734 01:01:49,020 --> 01:01:53,260 - I'm upset that he died without being in a cage. 735 01:02:13,620 --> 01:02:18,940 - In 1945, Allied troops swept across Germany, 736 01:02:18,940 --> 01:02:22,260 bringing an end to 12 years of Nazi rule. 737 01:02:24,820 --> 01:02:28,700 With Hitler dead and his country in ruins, 738 01:02:28,700 --> 01:02:33,180 the surviving Nazi top brass were put on trial in Nuremberg, 739 01:02:33,180 --> 01:02:36,980 and there, held to account for their crimes. 740 01:02:40,540 --> 01:02:43,380 - Men, women and children 741 01:02:43,380 --> 01:02:46,100 murdered in cold blood. 742 01:02:47,180 --> 01:02:50,700 What rights has any man to mercy 743 01:02:50,700 --> 01:02:54,500 who has played a part, however indirectly, 744 01:02:54,500 --> 01:02:56,420 in such a crime? 745 01:02:58,660 --> 01:03:01,780 - But many wanted Nazis are still on the run. 746 01:03:02,980 --> 01:03:07,300 Among them, 39-year-old Adolf Eichmann. 747 01:03:10,460 --> 01:03:14,940 Eichmann led the notorious Jewish Affairs Department... 748 01:03:16,140 --> 01:03:19,660 ..working under SS Commander Heinrich Himmler, 749 01:03:19,660 --> 01:03:22,700 the architect of the Final Solution. 750 01:03:28,020 --> 01:03:30,540 Eichmann arranged the transportation 751 01:03:30,540 --> 01:03:34,020 of millions of European Jews to death camps. 752 01:03:36,780 --> 01:03:39,300 His role was so important, 753 01:03:39,300 --> 01:03:43,220 he was repeatedly singled out at the Nuremberg trials. 754 01:03:46,420 --> 01:03:49,860 TRANSLATION: 755 01:04:12,020 --> 01:04:15,380 - Adolf Eichmann is one of the most terrifying Nazis. 756 01:04:19,660 --> 01:04:22,900 Eichmann encapsulates the essence of Nazism - 757 01:04:22,900 --> 01:04:28,540 a lethal cocktail between enormous personal ambition on the one hand, 758 01:04:28,540 --> 01:04:32,420 and a murderous ideology on the other. 759 01:04:34,380 --> 01:04:40,180 Eichmann organised, with meticulous bureaucratic coldness, 760 01:04:40,180 --> 01:04:43,620 the murder of millions of Jews in Europe. 761 01:04:51,740 --> 01:04:54,540 - Eichmann may be a wanted man, 762 01:04:54,540 --> 01:04:56,660 but he won't be easy to find. 763 01:05:04,980 --> 01:05:08,980 Over seven million German prisoners of war have been taken. 764 01:05:12,780 --> 01:05:15,780 - This time, the Wehrmacht are really beaten. 765 01:05:15,780 --> 01:05:19,340 The master race of men are stripped of their insignias, 766 01:05:19,340 --> 01:05:21,500 de-loused, numbered. 767 01:05:21,500 --> 01:05:24,180 - The Allies face a monumental task 768 01:05:24,180 --> 01:05:28,420 in distinguishing common soldiers from war criminals... 769 01:05:31,540 --> 01:05:35,020 ..and Eichmann takes full advantage. 770 01:05:44,460 --> 01:05:47,660 - All SS men have a tattoo, 771 01:05:47,660 --> 01:05:52,140 so he burns that off because he wants to survive. 772 01:05:54,300 --> 01:06:00,900 He is planning a future without his identity as an SS officer 773 01:06:00,900 --> 01:06:04,660 because he knows that if caught, if put on trial, 774 01:06:04,660 --> 01:06:08,980 he will almost certainly be executed. 775 01:06:13,740 --> 01:06:17,820 - When Eichmann is arrested and put in a POW camp, 776 01:06:17,820 --> 01:06:20,460 he manages to hide his true identity. 777 01:06:27,860 --> 01:06:31,780 Then, with the help of former SS colleagues, 778 01:06:31,780 --> 01:06:34,020 he obtains false papers. 779 01:06:41,140 --> 01:06:43,660 Now known as Otto Henninger, 780 01:06:43,660 --> 01:06:45,660 a forestry worker, 781 01:06:45,660 --> 01:06:47,500 he manages to escape... 782 01:06:51,380 --> 01:06:54,900 ..and goes into hiding in the woods in northern Germany. 783 01:06:58,020 --> 01:07:00,220 - Eichmann has a huge ego. 784 01:07:00,220 --> 01:07:05,660 He genuinely believes that he is beyond reproach. 785 01:07:17,460 --> 01:07:20,820 Eichmann even starts jotting down notes 786 01:07:20,820 --> 01:07:23,820 about his work for the SS. 787 01:07:25,540 --> 01:07:29,580 He starts collecting newspaper clippings about himself. 788 01:07:31,860 --> 01:07:36,140 Eichmann is still a free man, living under the radar. 789 01:07:36,140 --> 01:07:37,940 It's almost absurd. 790 01:07:39,620 --> 01:07:42,820 Like so many other Nazi perpetrators, 791 01:07:42,820 --> 01:07:47,380 he wants above all to avoid justice. 792 01:07:50,020 --> 01:07:54,980 - Eichmann is just one of thousands of wanted Nazis who remain at large... 793 01:07:56,180 --> 01:07:58,860 ..but the hunt is on to find them. 794 01:08:07,180 --> 01:08:09,060 At the end of the war, 795 01:08:09,060 --> 01:08:11,140 the Allied victors had divided Germany 796 01:08:11,140 --> 01:08:13,500 into four separate administrative zones. 797 01:08:19,100 --> 01:08:21,700 In the American-occupied zone, 798 01:08:21,700 --> 01:08:25,300 the Counter Intelligence Corp - the CIC - 799 01:08:25,300 --> 01:08:28,380 are tasked with finding Nazis on the run. 800 01:08:33,700 --> 01:08:37,540 - The primary directive of the CIC 801 01:08:37,540 --> 01:08:41,540 is to root out any vestiges of the Nazis 802 01:08:41,540 --> 01:08:44,100 and to bring those people to justice, 803 01:08:44,100 --> 01:08:45,500 holding them accountable 804 01:08:45,500 --> 01:08:48,780 for the crimes and atrocities they've committed, 805 01:08:48,780 --> 01:08:51,180 making sure the Nazis don't rise again. 806 01:08:54,500 --> 01:08:57,900 - Former US infantryman Robert Taylor 807 01:08:57,900 --> 01:09:01,100 has been transferred into the CIC 808 01:09:01,100 --> 01:09:03,940 to help track down wanted war criminals. 809 01:09:07,220 --> 01:09:11,460 - Robert Taylor really has no background in intelligence. 810 01:09:11,460 --> 01:09:15,620 He had done some small-town journalism work. 811 01:09:15,620 --> 01:09:19,380 He's not really prepared for this pretty significant role. 812 01:09:22,780 --> 01:09:24,500 In my experience, 813 01:09:24,500 --> 01:09:28,340 there's all kinds of moral ambiguities, 814 01:09:28,340 --> 01:09:30,580 psychologically and emotionally, 815 01:09:30,580 --> 01:09:33,620 that are entailed in the world of espionage. 816 01:09:34,940 --> 01:09:39,340 But Robert Taylor is kind of thrust into this situation 817 01:09:39,340 --> 01:09:42,540 with very little training. 818 01:09:42,540 --> 01:09:44,180 It's a lot. 819 01:09:47,100 --> 01:09:49,220 - In 1947, 820 01:09:49,220 --> 01:09:53,740 the case of Nazi secret police chief Klaus Barbie 821 01:09:53,740 --> 01:09:55,900 lands on Taylor's desk. 822 01:09:57,300 --> 01:10:01,620 Posted with the Gestapo to southern France during the war, 823 01:10:01,620 --> 01:10:05,220 Barbie became known as the Butcher of Lyon. 824 01:10:08,180 --> 01:10:12,540 His job was to track down suspected communists 825 01:10:12,540 --> 01:10:15,580 and members of the French Resistance. 826 01:10:15,580 --> 01:10:18,500 - Not every Nazi perpetrator 827 01:10:18,500 --> 01:10:22,300 was a born sadist and torturer... 828 01:10:23,540 --> 01:10:27,220 ..but Klaus Barbie certainly was. 829 01:10:31,100 --> 01:10:33,380 He was master of life and death. 830 01:10:33,380 --> 01:10:35,420 You know, he could wave his hand 831 01:10:35,420 --> 01:10:39,180 and decide if somebody was to live or was to die. 832 01:10:40,980 --> 01:10:43,580 As head of the Gestapo in Lyon, 833 01:10:43,580 --> 01:10:46,420 Klaus Barbie enjoyed torturing, 834 01:10:46,420 --> 01:10:49,060 mistreating, causing pain. 835 01:10:51,740 --> 01:10:54,300 He had a whole range of techniques - 836 01:10:54,300 --> 01:10:58,540 electroshocks, boiling water, cutting people. 837 01:11:02,540 --> 01:11:04,820 Even after 1945, 838 01:11:04,820 --> 01:11:08,300 he does not show any remorse, he doesn't show any regret. 839 01:11:08,300 --> 01:11:11,660 He still admires Hitler, the Nazi regime. 840 01:11:13,820 --> 01:11:16,140 - Despite Hitler's defeat, 841 01:11:16,140 --> 01:11:20,260 Barbie is looking for a way to keep Nazism alive. 842 01:11:20,260 --> 01:11:24,660 He's being helped by a group of wanted SS officers. 843 01:11:24,660 --> 01:11:28,420 - The CIC become aware, through their informants, 844 01:11:28,420 --> 01:11:32,460 that Barbie has a network of former SS personnel, 845 01:11:32,460 --> 01:11:35,220 and it's operating within the American Zone. 846 01:11:35,220 --> 01:11:38,260 This is precisely what the Americans 847 01:11:38,260 --> 01:11:41,060 and what the CIC have been afraid of. 848 01:11:43,780 --> 01:11:46,700 - Klaus Barbie and his group are on the run - 849 01:11:46,700 --> 01:11:49,180 stealing, blackmailing, 850 01:11:49,180 --> 01:11:52,260 but also procuring weapons. 851 01:11:53,860 --> 01:11:59,580 They are plotting resistance against Allied occupation, 852 01:11:59,580 --> 01:12:03,300 hoping that, in the near future, 853 01:12:03,300 --> 01:12:05,780 their fortunes will change 854 01:12:05,780 --> 01:12:08,780 and they would be players again. 855 01:12:13,580 --> 01:12:17,780 - Robert Taylor and the CIC know immediately 856 01:12:17,780 --> 01:12:20,460 that they have to gather intelligence on this network 857 01:12:20,460 --> 01:12:22,740 and they have to be able to quash it. 858 01:12:31,780 --> 01:12:36,540 The CIC plan this highly-coordinated swoop 859 01:12:36,540 --> 01:12:40,540 to flush out all these former Nazis and capture them. 860 01:12:44,500 --> 01:12:46,900 They're going to unknown houses, 861 01:12:46,900 --> 01:12:48,580 knocking on doors, 862 01:12:48,580 --> 01:12:51,980 and they don't know what awaits them on the other side. 863 01:12:54,260 --> 01:12:56,700 It's a dangerous situation, 864 01:12:56,700 --> 01:12:59,380 and failure is not an option. 865 01:12:59,380 --> 01:13:00,940 - DOOR BANGS OPEN 866 01:13:05,180 --> 01:13:06,940 MEN SHOUT 867 01:13:22,460 --> 01:13:26,100 The Americans seize 70 Nazi suspects. 868 01:13:27,580 --> 01:13:29,300 - This network is crushed... 869 01:13:30,500 --> 01:13:33,660 ..but at the same time, a key leader escapes... 870 01:13:35,460 --> 01:13:37,860 ..and that leader is Klaus Barbie. 871 01:13:47,940 --> 01:13:51,660 - Klaus Barbie has just barely avoided arrest. 872 01:13:53,340 --> 01:13:57,220 He's on his own, he has no place to go. 873 01:13:57,220 --> 01:13:59,700 His greatest fear 874 01:13:59,700 --> 01:14:04,820 is getting caught and being executed for his crimes, 875 01:14:04,820 --> 01:14:08,100 and that is a real possibility. 876 01:14:28,660 --> 01:14:31,820 - Then, events in the wider world 877 01:14:31,820 --> 01:14:33,980 take an ominous turn. 878 01:14:44,100 --> 01:14:46,180 Since the end of the war, 879 01:14:46,180 --> 01:14:50,540 relations between the Western Allies and Russia have deteriorated rapidly. 880 01:14:52,140 --> 01:14:55,620 In Washington, President Truman tells Congress 881 01:14:55,620 --> 01:14:58,540 that the world faces a new ideological battle. 882 01:15:01,300 --> 01:15:05,020 "Communism", he says, "is now the greatest threat". 883 01:15:07,940 --> 01:15:09,580 - At the present moment, 884 01:15:09,580 --> 01:15:14,420 nearly every nation must choose between alternative ways of life. 885 01:15:15,540 --> 01:15:19,780 One way of life is based upon the will of the majority. 886 01:15:19,780 --> 01:15:23,700 The second way of life relies upon terror and oppression, 887 01:15:23,700 --> 01:15:26,580 and the suppression of personal freedom. 888 01:15:28,220 --> 01:15:31,180 - CHEERING 889 01:15:39,700 --> 01:15:43,660 Joseph Stalin now controls much of Eastern Europe... 890 01:15:45,540 --> 01:15:48,740 ..and the Americans fear his vast armies 891 01:15:48,740 --> 01:15:50,980 could take over the Western world. 892 01:15:53,380 --> 01:15:58,300 Battle lines are drawn for what's being called the Cold War. 893 01:16:01,860 --> 01:16:06,140 - Now, in the early Cold War years, things are changing very quickly. 894 01:16:09,100 --> 01:16:15,060 It's not so much arresting Nazis and bringing them to justice, 895 01:16:15,060 --> 01:16:16,900 but fighting the communists. 896 01:16:16,900 --> 01:16:18,780 - PHONE RINGS 897 01:16:18,780 --> 01:16:24,940 - By 1947, the geopolitical landscape has shifted quite a bit, 898 01:16:24,940 --> 01:16:29,900 and so has the mandate and the mindset of the CIC. 899 01:16:29,900 --> 01:16:33,420 Robert Taylor's thinking, "What is the threat on the horizon?" 900 01:16:33,420 --> 01:16:35,220 Not, "What is yesterday's threat? 901 01:16:35,220 --> 01:16:37,860 "What is today and tomorrow's threat?" 902 01:16:38,980 --> 01:16:41,300 Incredibly, the Nazis are not 903 01:16:41,300 --> 01:16:44,980 a top intelligence priority for the Americans at this time. 904 01:16:48,980 --> 01:16:54,220 - As the West's attention shifts to containing communism, 905 01:16:54,220 --> 01:16:58,980 the CIC take their eye off wanted Nazis 906 01:16:58,980 --> 01:17:01,220 like Klaus Barbie. 907 01:17:07,020 --> 01:17:08,700 - He's lucky. 908 01:17:08,700 --> 01:17:12,060 He runs into a former comrade, Kurt Merk, 909 01:17:12,060 --> 01:17:14,780 who was stationed with him in France. 910 01:17:16,180 --> 01:17:20,180 They couldn't believe the coincidence to run into each other. 911 01:17:21,620 --> 01:17:25,780 And then, of course, they talk about the good old times. 912 01:17:25,780 --> 01:17:29,300 Merk is clearly doing well for himself, 913 01:17:29,300 --> 01:17:34,900 he's well-dressed and looking good and is in good spirits, 914 01:17:34,900 --> 01:17:37,780 and Klaus Barbie is not. 915 01:17:39,300 --> 01:17:43,020 - Former German intelligence officer Kurt Merk 916 01:17:43,020 --> 01:17:46,140 tells Barbie he may be able to help him. 917 01:17:50,260 --> 01:17:54,300 Merk arranges to meet an unlikely contact... 918 01:18:02,420 --> 01:18:05,620 ..the CIC's Robert Taylor. 919 01:18:10,060 --> 01:18:15,860 Taylor has been paying Merk to track down suspected communists. 920 01:18:17,620 --> 01:18:20,980 Now, Merk tells Taylor 921 01:18:20,980 --> 01:18:24,020 he's found someone of even greater value - 922 01:18:24,020 --> 01:18:28,220 an old friend from France, Klaus Barbie. 923 01:18:38,180 --> 01:18:41,220 - When you're an intelligence officer on the ground, 924 01:18:41,220 --> 01:18:45,340 your mandate is to collect the best intelligence you can. 925 01:18:45,340 --> 01:18:49,500 So, Robert Taylor's not looking at Klaus Barbie 926 01:18:49,500 --> 01:18:52,100 as a former Nazi on our wanted list. 927 01:18:53,580 --> 01:18:56,740 He's looking at Klaus Barbie as a potential asset. 928 01:18:59,700 --> 01:19:02,300 - Taylor could have Barbie arrested 929 01:19:02,300 --> 01:19:04,060 and tried for his crimes... 930 01:19:06,740 --> 01:19:10,500 ..but instead, using Merk as an intermediary, 931 01:19:10,500 --> 01:19:14,660 he invites the Butcher of Lyon to join them for lunch. 932 01:19:31,780 --> 01:19:35,380 - For Klaus Barbie, it must be nerve-racking, 933 01:19:35,380 --> 01:19:37,340 very, very stressful. 934 01:19:41,820 --> 01:19:44,140 Ultimately, he's risking a lot. 935 01:19:45,620 --> 01:19:48,660 But a life of this kind, 936 01:19:48,660 --> 01:19:50,340 always on the run, 937 01:19:50,340 --> 01:19:52,220 is not sustainable. 938 01:19:54,220 --> 01:19:59,020 - Taylor's there to make an assessment of Barbie, to figure out, 939 01:19:59,020 --> 01:20:03,100 does this person have what we call placement and access? 940 01:20:03,100 --> 01:20:08,060 Which is the placement and the ability to access information 941 01:20:08,060 --> 01:20:10,460 that the US Government might want. 942 01:20:11,860 --> 01:20:14,900 - Barbie is a wanted war criminal, 943 01:20:14,900 --> 01:20:17,220 so one would expect that this meeting 944 01:20:17,220 --> 01:20:20,540 would have the form of an interrogation, 945 01:20:20,540 --> 01:20:22,340 but it's actually not. 946 01:20:22,340 --> 01:20:24,500 It's more of a conversation. 947 01:20:26,780 --> 01:20:30,820 - It always begins with rapport, and that might surprise people. 948 01:20:30,820 --> 01:20:33,220 They don't just get down to business. 949 01:20:34,260 --> 01:20:37,700 So some time would've been spent just making small talk, 950 01:20:37,700 --> 01:20:41,180 maybe about Barbie's family or his kids, 951 01:20:41,180 --> 01:20:44,860 and Taylor giving a little information about himself. 952 01:20:44,860 --> 01:20:48,340 And that always happens before they get down to brass tacks. 953 01:20:55,220 --> 01:20:59,380 - Taylor makes the fervent Nazi an extraordinary offer... 954 01:21:01,780 --> 01:21:04,740 ..to work as a US agent, 955 01:21:04,740 --> 01:21:08,500 hunting communists in return for his freedom. 956 01:21:21,860 --> 01:21:24,420 - Taylor writes his thoughts after the meeting, 957 01:21:24,420 --> 01:21:27,500 and he was impressed by Barbie as, quote, 958 01:21:27,500 --> 01:21:31,060 "An honest man, both intellectually and personally. 959 01:21:31,060 --> 01:21:33,460 "Absolutely without nerves or fear. 960 01:21:33,460 --> 01:21:37,180 "He is strongly anti-communist and a Nazi idealist 961 01:21:37,180 --> 01:21:41,020 "who believes that he and his beliefs were betrayed by the Nazis in power." 962 01:21:44,420 --> 01:21:47,700 Hearing that seems quite shocking. 963 01:21:49,100 --> 01:21:52,380 But, in the game of intelligence and espionage, 964 01:21:52,380 --> 01:21:57,260 it's not unprecedented that the enemy's enemy becomes my friend. 965 01:21:59,780 --> 01:22:05,420 So the CIC is probably not doing a lot of soul-searching. 966 01:22:05,420 --> 01:22:08,860 These kind of cases happen all the time. 967 01:22:16,420 --> 01:22:19,140 - Once he gets the offer from the CIC, 968 01:22:19,140 --> 01:22:22,500 it's pretty much a no-brainer for him. 969 01:22:27,420 --> 01:22:29,220 - CHILD GIGGLES 970 01:22:30,260 --> 01:22:32,660 - This gives Barbie the opportunity 971 01:22:32,660 --> 01:22:36,220 to have a normal life with his family again, 972 01:22:36,220 --> 01:22:39,620 finally, after years of separation... 973 01:22:41,140 --> 01:22:44,260 ..constantly on the run and in hiding. 974 01:22:53,220 --> 01:22:56,740 - The Americans find Barbie a new home 975 01:22:56,740 --> 01:23:00,220 and offer him a generous monthly salary. 976 01:23:12,820 --> 01:23:16,500 - Klaus Barbie's back in the game, he's fighting communists again. 977 01:23:22,220 --> 01:23:25,300 - Within two years of Barbie's recruitment, 978 01:23:25,300 --> 01:23:29,540 Germany becomes a front line in the deepening Cold War. 979 01:23:30,580 --> 01:23:32,500 In 1949, 980 01:23:32,500 --> 01:23:34,660 the four Allied occupied zones 981 01:23:34,660 --> 01:23:37,980 are reshaped into two new countries - 982 01:23:37,980 --> 01:23:40,540 a democratic West Germany 983 01:23:40,540 --> 01:23:42,900 and a Soviet-controlled East. 984 01:23:47,380 --> 01:23:51,340 NEWSREEL: - East zone Germans stage a so-called spontaneous demonstration. 985 01:23:51,340 --> 01:23:54,340 On the Nazis' old stamping ground, Unter den Linden, 986 01:23:54,340 --> 01:23:57,300 Berliners see a show that rivals Hitler's best. 987 01:24:06,860 --> 01:24:08,460 - In East Berlin, 988 01:24:08,460 --> 01:24:11,420 the Russians mark the birth of a new nation 989 01:24:11,420 --> 01:24:13,540 with a choreographed parade. 990 01:24:14,900 --> 01:24:16,700 For Klaus Barbie, 991 01:24:16,700 --> 01:24:18,860 the looming communist threat 992 01:24:18,860 --> 01:24:21,300 means more guaranteed work. 993 01:24:22,820 --> 01:24:25,020 But his fellow war criminal, 994 01:24:25,020 --> 01:24:27,940 SS Officer Adolf Eichmann, 995 01:24:27,940 --> 01:24:31,100 has no role to play in this new world. 996 01:24:31,100 --> 01:24:34,380 His crimes are so well-known by now, 997 01:24:34,380 --> 01:24:36,660 that no side will touch him. 998 01:24:47,500 --> 01:24:50,100 Eichmann remains in hiding, 999 01:24:50,100 --> 01:24:53,860 still living in the remote West German countryside 1000 01:24:53,860 --> 01:24:55,620 as Otto Henninger. 1001 01:24:57,660 --> 01:25:01,540 - Eichmann experienced a huge fall from power. 1002 01:25:02,940 --> 01:25:06,580 He starts working on a chicken farm. 1003 01:25:14,020 --> 01:25:16,260 How pathetic does that sound, 1004 01:25:16,260 --> 01:25:19,700 one of the chief architects of the Holocaust 1005 01:25:19,700 --> 01:25:22,260 working on a chicken farm? 1006 01:25:25,060 --> 01:25:29,020 Eichmann's situation has become untenable for him. 1007 01:25:31,620 --> 01:25:36,420 So he starts planning a future outside of Germany. 1008 01:25:45,020 --> 01:25:49,540 - Eichmann intends to cross the border into neighbouring Austria, 1009 01:25:49,540 --> 01:25:52,820 where he hopes to find help from Nazi sympathisers. 1010 01:25:54,620 --> 01:25:57,540 Before he leaves West Germany, 1011 01:25:57,540 --> 01:26:01,260 he burns all his papers and cuttings, 1012 01:26:01,260 --> 01:26:03,380 erasing his trail. 1013 01:26:10,020 --> 01:26:14,340 - He's fed up with the idea that he has to live under the radar, 1014 01:26:14,340 --> 01:26:17,660 he wants to live under his real identity 1015 01:26:17,660 --> 01:26:20,100 and he wants to tell everyone in the world 1016 01:26:20,100 --> 01:26:24,220 what great achievements he has made during the Second World War. 1017 01:26:25,540 --> 01:26:28,820 He still believes that he has done nothing wrong. 1018 01:26:28,820 --> 01:26:31,340 - But what Eichmann doesn't know 1019 01:26:31,340 --> 01:26:36,540 is there's one man who refuses to forget his crimes. 1020 01:26:50,700 --> 01:26:55,620 Lawyer Fritz Bauer is a German-born Jew. 1021 01:26:55,620 --> 01:26:59,420 He spent time in a concentration camp in the '30s, 1022 01:26:59,420 --> 01:27:01,980 before fleeing to neutral Sweden. 1023 01:27:05,900 --> 01:27:08,180 Now, in 1949, 1024 01:27:08,180 --> 01:27:12,780 Bauer's returning home on a very personal mission. 1025 01:27:12,780 --> 01:27:17,820 - Fritz Bauer wants to confront German society with its past. 1026 01:27:17,820 --> 01:27:20,020 There was a fire burning in him. 1027 01:27:24,500 --> 01:27:29,580 The downfall of the Nazis was not a magic cure to anti-Semitism. 1028 01:27:31,260 --> 01:27:34,140 Being Jewish makes him an outsider. 1029 01:27:36,860 --> 01:27:41,140 He is likely to ask some uncomfortable questions... 1030 01:27:42,780 --> 01:27:44,860 ..which nobody wants to hear. 1031 01:27:45,860 --> 01:27:50,380 - Fritz Bauer wants former Nazis like Eichmann 1032 01:27:50,380 --> 01:27:53,940 to be held accountable for their crimes, 1033 01:27:53,940 --> 01:27:56,620 but he's going to have to act alone. 1034 01:27:56,620 --> 01:27:58,420 When he looks around him, 1035 01:27:58,420 --> 01:28:02,660 he sees that more than half of the judges he works alongside 1036 01:28:02,660 --> 01:28:06,060 were themselves members of the Nazi Party. 1037 01:28:06,060 --> 01:28:07,740 - Fritz Bauer once said, 1038 01:28:07,740 --> 01:28:11,460 "As soon as I'm out of my office, I'm in enemy territory," 1039 01:28:11,460 --> 01:28:14,420 and that literally referred to the building he was in. 1040 01:28:16,460 --> 01:28:19,980 The spirit of the Nazis was still very present. 1041 01:28:22,340 --> 01:28:26,340 - TRANSLATION: 1042 01:28:40,580 --> 01:28:44,540 - Nobody cares to talk about the things they did, 1043 01:28:44,540 --> 01:28:47,500 and he's angry, he's angry that many people 1044 01:28:47,500 --> 01:28:51,660 don't seem to want to learn any lessons from the past. 1045 01:28:56,900 --> 01:28:59,820 What message are you sending to the survivors, 1046 01:28:59,820 --> 01:29:02,900 the few survivors that are coming back to Germany, 1047 01:29:02,900 --> 01:29:04,540 like Fritz Bauer? 1048 01:29:06,220 --> 01:29:09,660 The message to them is, "You still don't count, 1049 01:29:09,660 --> 01:29:11,900 "we still don't care for you." 1050 01:29:28,020 --> 01:29:31,420 - TRANSLATION: 1051 01:29:49,900 --> 01:29:52,740 Fritz Bauer's crusade to hunt Nazis 1052 01:29:52,740 --> 01:29:55,180 earns him few friends. 1053 01:29:56,940 --> 01:30:00,700 - He receives a huge amount of mail, 1054 01:30:00,700 --> 01:30:03,180 full of hate, full of outrage. 1055 01:30:08,140 --> 01:30:10,820 People saying, "Go back to where you belong." 1056 01:30:14,980 --> 01:30:17,100 To some degree, it emboldens him, 1057 01:30:17,100 --> 01:30:19,340 it shows him he's going in the right direction 1058 01:30:19,340 --> 01:30:22,740 and he is hitting on the right notes. 1059 01:30:25,100 --> 01:30:28,580 And on the other hand, it means he has to be very careful. 1060 01:30:36,940 --> 01:30:40,900 - While Fritz Bauer begins his campaign for justice, 1061 01:30:40,900 --> 01:30:46,380 US agent Klaus Barbie is feeling untouchable. 1062 01:30:46,380 --> 01:30:48,460 - The Cold War is heating up, 1063 01:30:48,460 --> 01:30:51,220 and so, in a very short period of time, 1064 01:30:51,220 --> 01:30:54,740 he had a large number of sources 1065 01:30:54,740 --> 01:30:59,340 informing Americans about communist activities. 1066 01:31:02,140 --> 01:31:06,700 He gives them names and addresses and contact information, 1067 01:31:06,700 --> 01:31:10,540 so his American handlers are happy with him. 1068 01:31:12,540 --> 01:31:17,140 - But then, Barbie's reputation as the Butcher of Lyon 1069 01:31:17,140 --> 01:31:19,260 catches up with him. 1070 01:31:19,260 --> 01:31:24,460 The French want to question him about the torture and murder in 1943 1071 01:31:24,460 --> 01:31:28,660 of their wartime Resistance hero, Jean Moulin. 1072 01:31:28,660 --> 01:31:30,660 - Everybody talks about Jean Moulin 1073 01:31:30,660 --> 01:31:33,460 as a national hero in France, as an icon. 1074 01:31:33,460 --> 01:31:35,580 Every child knows about him, 1075 01:31:35,580 --> 01:31:37,780 and Klaus Barbie is one of the people 1076 01:31:37,780 --> 01:31:40,180 who murdered their national hero. 1077 01:31:42,060 --> 01:31:45,940 - When the French authorities demand to interrogate Barbie, 1078 01:31:45,940 --> 01:31:50,580 the Americans have no choice but to give him up for questioning. 1079 01:31:50,580 --> 01:31:54,740 But the CIC do so on their own terms. 1080 01:31:55,780 --> 01:32:01,540 - Barbie sees that the American officer clearly has his back 1081 01:32:01,540 --> 01:32:03,860 and is shielding him. 1082 01:32:09,380 --> 01:32:12,220 He was kind of looking down on the French 1083 01:32:12,220 --> 01:32:15,780 and belittling them almost, like, "What do you want? 1084 01:32:15,780 --> 01:32:19,300 "I work for the Americans, right, you cannot touch me." 1085 01:32:25,100 --> 01:32:27,020 - With the CIC's help, 1086 01:32:27,020 --> 01:32:29,780 Barbie is off the hook - again. 1087 01:32:30,820 --> 01:32:34,900 - One of the reasons I got out of intelligence is because 1088 01:32:34,900 --> 01:32:37,220 I think it's very easy 1089 01:32:37,220 --> 01:32:42,060 to lose sight of your own moral parameters 1090 01:32:42,060 --> 01:32:46,100 and for your moral compass to go quite askew, 1091 01:32:46,100 --> 01:32:49,100 without you even realising it, before it's too late. 1092 01:32:51,620 --> 01:32:54,740 And I think in this case, 1093 01:32:54,740 --> 01:32:59,020 what is appalling is that the CIC is putting the interests 1094 01:32:59,020 --> 01:33:01,380 and safety of Klaus Barbie 1095 01:33:01,380 --> 01:33:05,740 above any kind of measure of retribution or justice 1096 01:33:05,740 --> 01:33:07,460 for Barbie's victims. 1097 01:33:09,700 --> 01:33:13,300 - The list of crimes of Klaus Barbie is very long. 1098 01:33:13,300 --> 01:33:19,100 He's probably most notorious for the deportation of 44 Jewish children 1099 01:33:19,100 --> 01:33:22,100 from an orphanage near Lyon. 1100 01:33:22,100 --> 01:33:27,300 The youngest child was four years old and the oldest 17. 1101 01:33:27,300 --> 01:33:31,020 Those children were arrested on his order 1102 01:33:31,020 --> 01:33:33,340 and then murdered in Auschwitz. 1103 01:33:35,340 --> 01:33:37,740 - When a French newspaper breaks a story 1104 01:33:37,740 --> 01:33:39,700 about Barbie's criminal past... 1105 01:33:41,100 --> 01:33:43,940 ..the Americans are forced to act. 1106 01:33:46,740 --> 01:33:51,500 - This puts the CIC in an extremely uncomfortable position, 1107 01:33:51,500 --> 01:33:54,460 because all of a sudden, they're realising 1108 01:33:54,460 --> 01:33:58,420 that their star source is in fact a monster. 1109 01:34:03,060 --> 01:34:06,700 It's at this point where I think we can safely say 1110 01:34:06,700 --> 01:34:11,820 that the CIC is operating way outside of its moral parameters. 1111 01:34:11,820 --> 01:34:13,340 - PHONE RINGS 1112 01:34:19,500 --> 01:34:22,020 - They decide that 1113 01:34:22,020 --> 01:34:25,740 the best thing to do is to make Barbie disappear. 1114 01:34:37,060 --> 01:34:39,900 - In March 1951, 1115 01:34:39,900 --> 01:34:43,860 CIC agents accompany Barbie and his young family 1116 01:34:43,860 --> 01:34:47,340 onto a train heading to Italy. 1117 01:34:50,940 --> 01:34:53,980 - It's not an option just to kill him off, 1118 01:34:53,980 --> 01:34:56,500 and if we go killing our foreign agents 1119 01:34:56,500 --> 01:34:59,380 or turning them over to the authorities, 1120 01:34:59,380 --> 01:35:02,300 nobody's ever going to come work for us in the future. 1121 01:35:05,660 --> 01:35:07,940 - Armed with false papers, 1122 01:35:07,940 --> 01:35:10,140 Klaus Barbie and his family 1123 01:35:10,140 --> 01:35:14,580 travel along a secret escape route - the Ratline - 1124 01:35:14,580 --> 01:35:18,260 used to smuggle wanted Nazis out of danger. 1125 01:35:24,820 --> 01:35:26,860 Using the Ratline, 1126 01:35:26,860 --> 01:35:28,940 they travel out of Germany, 1127 01:35:28,940 --> 01:35:31,180 through the Austrian Alps 1128 01:35:31,180 --> 01:35:34,100 to the Mediterranean port of Genoa. 1129 01:35:42,540 --> 01:35:46,100 In Genoa, the CIC put Barbie in touch 1130 01:35:46,100 --> 01:35:49,420 with a Vatican priest called Father Draganovic. 1131 01:35:51,660 --> 01:35:55,780 They pay him to secure a safe passage for Barbie 1132 01:35:55,780 --> 01:35:58,580 out of Europe altogether. 1133 01:35:58,580 --> 01:36:03,620 - Draganovic is a hard-core fascist and anti-communist. 1134 01:36:08,660 --> 01:36:14,180 In his headquarters, he has war criminals who are hiding as priests. 1135 01:36:16,300 --> 01:36:19,020 They're using code names, 1136 01:36:19,020 --> 01:36:22,100 they're using secret hideouts. 1137 01:36:26,860 --> 01:36:30,340 It all sounds very much like a James Bond movie, 1138 01:36:30,340 --> 01:36:32,340 but it was real. 1139 01:36:35,140 --> 01:36:39,500 - Draganovic tells Barbie he's already helped many wanted war criminals 1140 01:36:39,500 --> 01:36:41,380 flee to South America... 1141 01:36:43,500 --> 01:36:49,100 ..in the hope that the Nazis may one day return and rise again. 1142 01:36:52,500 --> 01:36:55,340 - Draganovic is not an exception. 1143 01:36:57,180 --> 01:37:02,980 There are many Catholic priests like him helping a whole wave of Nazis 1144 01:37:02,980 --> 01:37:06,860 to leave the continent and start a new life overseas. 1145 01:37:11,620 --> 01:37:13,940 - BOAT HORN BLOWS 1146 01:37:16,860 --> 01:37:18,580 Three weeks later, 1147 01:37:18,580 --> 01:37:23,020 Barbie and his family arrive safely at the end of the Ratline, 1148 01:37:23,020 --> 01:37:25,700 7,000 miles away 1149 01:37:25,700 --> 01:37:29,220 in the Argentinian capital, Buenos Aires. 1150 01:37:33,060 --> 01:37:34,740 In South America, 1151 01:37:34,740 --> 01:37:38,780 even the most notorious Nazis can find refuge, 1152 01:37:38,780 --> 01:37:43,380 as sympathetic right-wing dictators turn a blind eye to their crimes. 1153 01:37:45,100 --> 01:37:47,860 - Klaus Barbie is not the only one. 1154 01:37:47,860 --> 01:37:53,300 Thousands of Nazi perpetrators were able to escape through the Ratline. 1155 01:37:53,300 --> 01:37:56,460 There is something really wrong here, 1156 01:37:56,460 --> 01:37:59,300 that justice was denied, 1157 01:37:59,300 --> 01:38:02,020 and the victims deserve justice. 1158 01:38:15,660 --> 01:38:18,020 - As Barbie makes his escape, 1159 01:38:18,020 --> 01:38:20,620 in the German town of Landsberg, 1160 01:38:20,620 --> 01:38:23,340 thousands of protesters demand clemency 1161 01:38:23,340 --> 01:38:26,580 for Nazi war criminals held in the local prison. 1162 01:38:30,340 --> 01:38:34,740 21 death sentences are overturned 1163 01:38:34,740 --> 01:38:39,580 and many other Nazi prisoners are released early, 1164 01:38:39,580 --> 01:38:43,340 including members of an SS extermination squad. 1165 01:38:44,820 --> 01:38:48,060 NEWSREEL: - Convicted at Nuremberg, they now walk out free men, 1166 01:38:48,060 --> 01:38:50,020 granted a reprieve. 1167 01:38:50,020 --> 01:38:52,300 They are greeted like heroes. 1168 01:38:54,940 --> 01:38:58,940 - The war has only been over for six years, 1169 01:38:58,940 --> 01:39:03,500 but already, attitudes to Nazi crimes are relaxing. 1170 01:39:05,260 --> 01:39:06,940 - In the 1950s, 1171 01:39:06,940 --> 01:39:09,740 Germany is a country that is starting to prosper. 1172 01:39:09,740 --> 01:39:13,260 - People are very happy to look to the future, 1173 01:39:13,260 --> 01:39:17,140 and they don't really feel a need to look in the past. 1174 01:39:17,140 --> 01:39:20,580 People are willing to forget and to forgive themselves. 1175 01:39:26,820 --> 01:39:32,140 - Lawyer Fritz Bauer pushes back against this collective amnesia. 1176 01:39:32,140 --> 01:39:36,500 He's still determined to bring Nazi Adolf Eichmann to justice. 1177 01:39:46,340 --> 01:39:48,500 In 1957, 1178 01:39:48,500 --> 01:39:52,980 he receives a letter from the Nazi safe haven of Argentina. 1179 01:39:54,540 --> 01:39:58,940 But this letter isn't full of the usual violent threats. 1180 01:40:04,300 --> 01:40:06,500 - Fritz Bauer had, for a number of years, 1181 01:40:06,500 --> 01:40:11,260 been trying to find out where Adolf Eichmann had escaped to 1182 01:40:11,260 --> 01:40:12,900 and where he was living. 1183 01:40:20,260 --> 01:40:21,820 But when he opens the letter, 1184 01:40:21,820 --> 01:40:24,220 he's surprised to find a message 1185 01:40:24,220 --> 01:40:27,060 from a German Jew living in Argentina, 1186 01:40:27,060 --> 01:40:29,260 called Lothar Hermann, 1187 01:40:29,260 --> 01:40:32,340 who tells him that Adolf Eichmann 1188 01:40:32,340 --> 01:40:36,020 is living under a false name in Argentina 1189 01:40:36,020 --> 01:40:38,380 with his wife and his children. 1190 01:40:41,780 --> 01:40:44,260 To Fritz Bauer, 1191 01:40:44,260 --> 01:40:47,340 this was incredibly valuable information. 1192 01:40:49,180 --> 01:40:51,980 And it's served to him on a platter. 1193 01:40:54,100 --> 01:40:58,260 - Bauer is reluctant to share his tip-off with his colleagues. 1194 01:41:00,020 --> 01:41:03,620 He still can't trust anyone working around him. 1195 01:41:07,260 --> 01:41:09,700 - Fritz Bauer realises 1196 01:41:09,700 --> 01:41:14,740 there are too many people in the police, in the prosecution, 1197 01:41:14,740 --> 01:41:20,820 who would want to tip off Eichmann and to allow him to escape. 1198 01:41:20,820 --> 01:41:22,660 Who could he turn to? 1199 01:41:24,460 --> 01:41:27,540 So, it's only Fritz Bauer 1200 01:41:27,540 --> 01:41:29,900 who is interested in catching Adolf Eichmann 1201 01:41:29,900 --> 01:41:31,500 and putting him on trial. 1202 01:41:33,700 --> 01:41:37,500 In this situation, he takes matters into his own hands 1203 01:41:37,500 --> 01:41:40,860 to seek contact with the Israelis. 1204 01:41:40,860 --> 01:41:45,420 - MUSIC: Zo Ahava by A Uzan & Philippe Guez 1205 01:41:46,820 --> 01:41:48,700 In 1959, 1206 01:41:48,700 --> 01:41:52,580 Bauer travels to the newly created state of Israel. 1207 01:41:54,020 --> 01:41:57,500 There, he makes contact with Isser Harel, 1208 01:41:57,500 --> 01:41:59,380 the chief of Mossad, 1209 01:41:59,380 --> 01:42:02,220 the Israeli intelligence agency. 1210 01:42:03,940 --> 01:42:07,780 - Catching a Nazi, it's not a priority in the Mossad. 1211 01:42:13,340 --> 01:42:15,380 The priority for the Mossad 1212 01:42:15,380 --> 01:42:17,780 is to find information 1213 01:42:17,780 --> 01:42:22,260 about the Arab states that surround Israel 1214 01:42:22,260 --> 01:42:25,660 and that want to destroy the young country. 1215 01:42:28,860 --> 01:42:32,300 - Fritz Bauer's very disappointed with Mossad. 1216 01:42:32,300 --> 01:42:35,300 It turns out they're very hesitant and very careful. 1217 01:42:36,700 --> 01:42:40,180 It's kind of reverse of what one would expect - 1218 01:42:40,180 --> 01:42:44,100 this elderly German man with a tie and suit 1219 01:42:44,100 --> 01:42:47,500 and these young Israeli secret agents, 1220 01:42:47,500 --> 01:42:51,260 and he's the one who's telling them to be more aggressive. 1221 01:42:53,260 --> 01:42:56,340 - To persuade Mossad to take on the case, 1222 01:42:56,340 --> 01:43:00,220 Bauer gives Harel an ultimatum - 1223 01:43:00,220 --> 01:43:02,500 if Mossad doesn't act, 1224 01:43:02,500 --> 01:43:04,300 he'll go to the press, 1225 01:43:04,300 --> 01:43:08,460 and then their chance to catch Eichmann by surprise will be lost. 1226 01:43:11,460 --> 01:43:13,860 - His gamble is successful. 1227 01:43:13,860 --> 01:43:17,340 The head of Mossad promises to give it a shot, 1228 01:43:17,340 --> 01:43:20,740 and to see whether they can catch Eichmann. 1229 01:43:20,740 --> 01:43:23,340 - PHONE RINGS 1230 01:43:26,460 --> 01:43:28,700 With his government's backing, 1231 01:43:28,700 --> 01:43:33,460 Harel agrees to bring Eichmann back to Israel to stand trial. 1232 01:43:35,460 --> 01:43:38,100 But he knows the scale of the challenge. 1233 01:43:40,220 --> 01:43:44,540 There is no extradition treaty between Israel and Argentina, 1234 01:43:44,540 --> 01:43:49,940 so Eichmann must be kidnapped and secretly smuggled back alive, 1235 01:43:49,940 --> 01:43:53,180 without the Argentinian authorities finding out. 1236 01:44:00,540 --> 01:44:04,820 - This is a very rare and very important operation. 1237 01:44:04,820 --> 01:44:09,660 To smuggle him alive to Israel is very, very complicated. 1238 01:44:13,700 --> 01:44:17,500 Isser Harel needs to think about all the small details. 1239 01:44:20,020 --> 01:44:23,340 There is plan A, there is plan B, there is plan C. 1240 01:44:24,380 --> 01:44:26,500 There is no place for failure here. 1241 01:44:27,540 --> 01:44:30,380 24/7, he's dreaming about it. 1242 01:44:31,780 --> 01:44:35,060 But the big failure can be that this is the wrong guy. 1243 01:44:42,100 --> 01:44:45,780 - Isser Harel sends Mossad agents to Buenos Aires. 1244 01:44:47,420 --> 01:44:50,700 They confirm Eichmann is living there, 1245 01:44:50,700 --> 01:44:53,700 under the pseudonym Riccardo Klement, 1246 01:44:53,700 --> 01:44:57,380 and he's working in a Mercedes car factory. 1247 01:45:01,740 --> 01:45:05,420 GOESCHEL: - The Mossad agents start observing Eichmann, 1248 01:45:05,420 --> 01:45:09,100 they start following him to and from work, 1249 01:45:09,100 --> 01:45:10,980 and his family home. 1250 01:45:12,780 --> 01:45:15,820 Eichmann is living with impunity. 1251 01:45:15,820 --> 01:45:18,340 He is not afraid of anything. 1252 01:45:18,340 --> 01:45:20,060 - CAMERA CLICKS 1253 01:45:20,060 --> 01:45:23,380 - He even allows people to take his photograph. 1254 01:45:24,940 --> 01:45:26,580 - CAMERA CLICKS 1255 01:45:26,580 --> 01:45:31,260 - He really feels safe from Allied prosecution. 1256 01:45:31,260 --> 01:45:32,980 - CAMERA CLICKS 1257 01:45:49,540 --> 01:45:52,620 Wednesday evening, 7:30. 1258 01:45:54,380 --> 01:45:57,820 Adolf Eichmann is on his way home by bus. 1259 01:46:07,660 --> 01:46:10,220 Parked near his usual stop 1260 01:46:10,220 --> 01:46:12,460 are four Mossad agents, 1261 01:46:12,460 --> 01:46:15,100 pretending their car has broken down. 1262 01:46:17,860 --> 01:46:20,220 Their chief, Isser Harel, 1263 01:46:20,220 --> 01:46:22,660 waits in a nearby cafe. 1264 01:46:24,300 --> 01:46:26,900 AVRAHAM: - He don't have any connection with them - 1265 01:46:26,900 --> 01:46:29,340 no telephone, nothing. 1266 01:46:29,340 --> 01:46:32,620 He just need to wait and pray. 1267 01:46:35,420 --> 01:46:38,580 Even if you are not religious, you need to pray sometimes. 1268 01:47:14,100 --> 01:47:19,220 One of the agents approaches him and say, "Momentito, senor." 1269 01:47:19,220 --> 01:47:21,180 It means, "Excuse me." 1270 01:47:27,940 --> 01:47:31,460 This is a very dangerous moment in the operation 1271 01:47:31,460 --> 01:47:33,460 because his wife and kids at home, 1272 01:47:33,460 --> 01:47:36,420 and it was isolated area, very quiet, 1273 01:47:36,420 --> 01:47:39,180 so if you scream, they can hear you. 1274 01:47:44,620 --> 01:47:49,540 - Surprisingly, Eichmann doesn't try to fight back. 1275 01:47:49,540 --> 01:47:52,140 He is resigned to his fate. 1276 01:47:58,020 --> 01:48:02,180 He is now a prisoner of the Israeli Government. 1277 01:48:11,300 --> 01:48:15,820 Eichmann knows that his options have run out. 1278 01:48:24,780 --> 01:48:28,020 - Isser Harel was shocked when he saw Adolf Eichmann. 1279 01:48:30,100 --> 01:48:32,700 He ask himself, "This is Adolf Eichmann, 1280 01:48:32,700 --> 01:48:35,900 "the Nazi, the head of the Jewish Department, 1281 01:48:35,900 --> 01:48:39,260 "the one that was the architect of the killing machine?" 1282 01:48:41,300 --> 01:48:44,020 This short guy, 1283 01:48:44,020 --> 01:48:46,260 this grey man, 1284 01:48:46,260 --> 01:48:48,300 this miserable runt. 1285 01:49:03,500 --> 01:49:08,700 - As Mossad secretly fly Eichmann back to Israel to stand trial, 1286 01:49:08,700 --> 01:49:13,700 lawyer Fritz Bauer meets an Israeli diplomat in Frankfurt. 1287 01:49:15,180 --> 01:49:18,300 - The first thing that the contact says is, "We've got him." 1288 01:49:20,780 --> 01:49:24,060 Fritz Bauer finds out before the world finds out. 1289 01:49:25,180 --> 01:49:28,660 He has this sweet moment of triumph. 1290 01:49:30,340 --> 01:49:33,940 - But Bauer's part in the operation can never be known. 1291 01:49:35,220 --> 01:49:39,180 By aiding and abetting the Israelis to kidnap a German national... 1292 01:49:40,620 --> 01:49:42,700 ..Bauer's broken the law. 1293 01:49:45,500 --> 01:49:50,460 - Fritz Bauer had the courage to put his career at risk, 1294 01:49:50,460 --> 01:49:52,900 maybe even his personal freedom. 1295 01:49:56,300 --> 01:49:58,740 He had the courage to say no, 1296 01:49:58,740 --> 01:50:01,420 courage not to go along with everybody else, 1297 01:50:01,420 --> 01:50:04,420 not to choose the comfortable road. 1298 01:50:07,700 --> 01:50:11,220 But he has to take this secret into his grave. 1299 01:50:11,220 --> 01:50:15,380 He will never be able to receive applause openly, 1300 01:50:15,380 --> 01:50:17,700 and others will take the credit. 1301 01:50:22,540 --> 01:50:25,420 - TRANSLATION: 1302 01:50:40,340 --> 01:50:42,540 CAMERA CLICKS 1303 01:50:43,700 --> 01:50:46,100 NEWSREEL: - Here in Israel, Adolf Eichmann faces 1304 01:50:46,100 --> 01:50:48,740 probably the most appalling list of charges 1305 01:50:48,740 --> 01:50:51,740 ever to be levelled against a single human being. 1306 01:50:55,820 --> 01:51:00,660 The Israelis are trying to place before the conscience of the world 1307 01:51:00,660 --> 01:51:06,260 the full facts of how the Nazis tried literally to exterminate 1308 01:51:06,260 --> 01:51:09,220 millions of the Jewish people in Europe. 1309 01:51:11,380 --> 01:51:16,260 - The Eichmann trial is televised across the globe. 1310 01:51:19,780 --> 01:51:24,500 This is the first time a major Nazi war criminal 1311 01:51:24,500 --> 01:51:29,100 is put on trial by the state of Israel. 1312 01:51:33,060 --> 01:51:35,140 That is a huge moment. 1313 01:51:38,180 --> 01:51:41,660 Eichmann knows he will face justice. 1314 01:51:51,300 --> 01:51:53,740 - NEWSREEL: - The accused, together with others, 1315 01:51:53,740 --> 01:51:56,900 during the period 1939 to 1945, 1316 01:51:56,900 --> 01:51:59,460 caused the killing of millions of Jews 1317 01:51:59,460 --> 01:52:01,980 in his capacity as the person responsible 1318 01:52:01,980 --> 01:52:04,580 for the execution of the Nazi plan 1319 01:52:04,580 --> 01:52:07,460 for the physical extermination of the Jews, 1320 01:52:07,460 --> 01:52:10,340 known as the Final Solution of the Jewish problem. 1321 01:52:15,180 --> 01:52:19,180 - The list of charges against Eichmann is so long, 1322 01:52:19,180 --> 01:52:22,740 it takes the judges over an hour to read them out. 1323 01:52:28,860 --> 01:52:31,780 TRANSLATION: 1324 01:52:36,940 --> 01:52:41,020 GOESCHEL: - Eichmann claims that he is innocent. 1325 01:52:41,020 --> 01:52:45,220 He presents himself as a bureaucrat 1326 01:52:45,220 --> 01:52:48,980 who simply followed orders. 1327 01:52:51,740 --> 01:52:54,060 But over and over again, 1328 01:52:54,060 --> 01:52:56,500 he cannot hide his real identity. 1329 01:53:52,580 --> 01:53:54,660 - Israel, at the time, 1330 01:53:54,660 --> 01:53:58,140 is suffering from an inability 1331 01:53:58,140 --> 01:54:00,940 to speak about the unspeakable crimes. 1332 01:54:09,700 --> 01:54:14,100 And when finally Eichmann is put on trial in Jerusalem, 1333 01:54:14,100 --> 01:54:17,620 the victims have their voices heard, 1334 01:54:17,620 --> 01:54:20,220 people see that they're not alone, 1335 01:54:20,220 --> 01:54:24,940 see that they can get respect and understanding and empathy 1336 01:54:24,940 --> 01:54:26,540 for what they went through. 1337 01:54:27,820 --> 01:54:31,700 There's a great value in having a trial as a therapeutic moment, 1338 01:54:31,700 --> 01:54:33,500 as a cathartic moment. 1339 01:54:34,660 --> 01:54:36,620 - Two months into the trial, 1340 01:54:36,620 --> 01:54:39,540 the court is shown footage of the Holocaust... 1341 01:54:40,900 --> 01:54:44,220 ..including the silent images shot by the Nazis themselves 1342 01:54:44,220 --> 01:54:47,700 in the Netherlands in 1944, 1343 01:54:47,700 --> 01:54:50,740 of trains taking men, women and children 1344 01:54:50,740 --> 01:54:53,180 to Auschwitz-Birkenau death camp. 1345 01:54:56,700 --> 01:54:58,860 A system of genocide 1346 01:54:58,860 --> 01:55:01,420 overseen by Eichmann himself. 1347 01:55:13,940 --> 01:55:18,180 MAN SPEAKS FRENCH 1348 01:55:18,180 --> 01:55:19,820 NEWSREEL: - This is Patrick Smith 1349 01:55:19,820 --> 01:55:22,340 calling Radio Newsreel from Jerusalem. 1350 01:55:24,660 --> 01:55:28,180 - Eight months after he first entered the court, 1351 01:55:28,180 --> 01:55:31,980 Eichmann prepares for judgment. 1352 01:55:31,980 --> 01:55:36,620 - Eichmann heard his verdict, standing stiffly to attention. 1353 01:55:36,620 --> 01:55:40,700 "The court convicts you of crimes against the Jewish people, 1354 01:55:40,700 --> 01:55:44,060 "crimes against humanity and of war crimes." 1355 01:55:46,860 --> 01:55:49,940 - Eichmann is found guilty on all counts. 1356 01:55:49,940 --> 01:55:52,180 He's sentenced to death. 1357 01:56:11,540 --> 01:56:13,500 Before his execution, 1358 01:56:13,500 --> 01:56:16,020 the Israeli authorities give Eichmann 1359 01:56:16,020 --> 01:56:18,220 the chance to meet a priest. 1360 01:56:19,660 --> 01:56:23,540 The priest asks Eichmann whether he repents. 1361 01:56:23,540 --> 01:56:25,620 Eichmann says, "No." 1362 01:56:27,140 --> 01:56:30,460 And then he is led to the gallows. 1363 01:56:33,500 --> 01:56:38,220 - NEWSREEL: - Eichmann was brought to justice and sentenced and executed 1364 01:56:38,220 --> 01:56:41,900 by survivors of the very people he sought to exterminate. 1365 01:56:44,140 --> 01:56:48,180 "He saw the backs of our dead," writes one paper. 1366 01:56:48,180 --> 01:56:51,060 "He met us face-to-face." 1367 01:57:00,580 --> 01:57:02,980 - His father isn't dead. 1368 01:57:02,980 --> 01:57:06,780 He was accused of these terrible crimes. 1369 01:57:06,780 --> 01:57:11,940 - This destroys her world, the way she has seen it until that moment. 1370 01:57:11,940 --> 01:57:13,540 - For Klaus Barbie, 1371 01:57:13,540 --> 01:57:18,140 one of his worst fears is now coming true. 1372 01:57:18,140 --> 01:57:23,580 - Speer wants to dominate the interpretation of the Third Reich. 1373 01:58:00,080 --> 01:58:02,120 APPLAUSE 1374 01:58:06,600 --> 01:58:09,320 West Germany is now a prosperous democracy. 1375 01:58:10,440 --> 01:58:12,720 Kurt Kiesinger is the Chancellor. 1376 01:58:15,320 --> 01:58:18,360 He is speaking at his party's annual conference. 1377 01:58:21,520 --> 01:58:24,720 But 29-year-old Beate Klarsfeld 1378 01:58:24,720 --> 01:58:27,840 has discovered a dark secret about Kiesinger... 1379 01:58:28,880 --> 01:58:31,160 ..and she wants to tell the world. 1380 01:58:31,160 --> 01:58:33,800 - When she finally obtains a press card 1381 01:58:33,800 --> 01:58:38,040 and is standing in the main hall pressing a notebook to her body, 1382 01:58:38,040 --> 01:58:39,760 pretending she's a journalist, 1383 01:58:39,760 --> 01:58:42,560 she is extremely nervous, extremely tense. 1384 01:58:42,560 --> 01:58:44,840 She knows how risky this is. 1385 01:58:48,120 --> 01:58:50,960 She approaches Kiesinger from behind... 1386 01:58:53,800 --> 01:58:58,160 ..and she slaps him into the face, shouting, "Nazi! Nazi!" 1387 01:59:11,800 --> 01:59:14,440 - Kiesinger is one of many former Nazis 1388 01:59:14,440 --> 01:59:17,120 who have returned to positions of power in Germany. 1389 01:59:18,400 --> 01:59:20,400 - The fact that a former Nazi 1390 01:59:20,400 --> 01:59:23,320 can become Head of State of Western Germany 1391 01:59:23,320 --> 01:59:28,480 is absolutely inacceptable and scandalous to Beate. 1392 01:59:28,480 --> 01:59:32,600 She's doing this to wake up the German population. 1393 01:59:32,600 --> 01:59:36,400 It's a warning sign that the younger people 1394 01:59:36,400 --> 01:59:38,480 are not accepting this any more. 1395 01:59:39,680 --> 01:59:42,040 - MUSIC: Lacrimosa from Mozart's Requiem in D minor 1396 01:59:45,400 --> 01:59:47,960 After the Second World War, 1397 01:59:47,960 --> 01:59:51,920 some of the worst war criminals in history go to ground. 1398 01:59:51,920 --> 01:59:57,240 - Hoping that in the near future, their fortunes will change 1399 01:59:57,240 --> 02:00:00,280 and they would be players again. 1400 02:00:00,280 --> 02:00:02,280 - Many change their names. 1401 02:00:02,280 --> 02:00:05,080 And the most wanted flee to South America. 1402 02:00:06,200 --> 02:00:09,160 Others claim the Holocaust never happened 1403 02:00:09,160 --> 02:00:12,040 or had nothing to do with them. 1404 02:00:12,040 --> 02:00:14,880 Told by historians and experts, 1405 02:00:14,880 --> 02:00:17,720 this is the story of the little-known people 1406 02:00:17,720 --> 02:00:20,720 searching for truth and justice. 1407 02:00:20,720 --> 02:00:25,640 - Trying to confront this man who is the murderer of her entire family. 1408 02:00:25,640 --> 02:00:27,280 It's a hostile environment. 1409 02:00:28,760 --> 02:00:31,920 - What kind of men are they? Are they mad? 1410 02:00:31,920 --> 02:00:33,480 They must be mad. 1411 02:00:34,800 --> 02:00:40,240 - The hunt for Nazi war criminals is without any parallel, 1412 02:00:40,240 --> 02:00:44,280 to my knowledge, either before or since. 1413 02:00:44,280 --> 02:00:47,240 - It's a hunt taking place against the backdrop of a world 1414 02:00:47,240 --> 02:00:49,960 that wants to forget and move on. 1415 02:00:53,720 --> 02:00:56,120 - Justice for him was everything. 1416 02:00:57,560 --> 02:01:01,800 - I'm upset that he died without being in a cage. 1417 02:01:20,920 --> 02:01:25,640 - By the 1960s, the Second World War is a distant memory. 1418 02:01:27,200 --> 02:01:30,760 Official Nazi hunting ended over a decade ago. 1419 02:01:35,240 --> 02:01:38,000 But there are a handful of people still determined 1420 02:01:38,000 --> 02:01:41,960 to bring the thousands of Nazi war criminals still at large to justice. 1421 02:01:44,400 --> 02:01:48,920 They've tracked down an anonymous Nazi bureaucrat - Adolf Eichmann... 1422 02:01:52,080 --> 02:01:55,280 ..the man who organised the Final Solution. 1423 02:01:55,280 --> 02:01:58,440 - Adolf Eichmann faces the most appalling list of charges 1424 02:01:58,440 --> 02:02:01,240 ever to be levelled against a single human being. 1425 02:02:02,800 --> 02:02:05,840 - Eichmann is found guilty and executed. 1426 02:02:10,080 --> 02:02:12,160 As news of his fate spreads... 1427 02:02:13,840 --> 02:02:16,760 ..it sends a signal to the murderers and torturers 1428 02:02:16,760 --> 02:02:19,520 who have been leading ordinary lives ever since. 1429 02:02:21,320 --> 02:02:23,440 They might not be safe after all. 1430 02:02:28,040 --> 02:02:29,960 One of them is Josef Mengele... 1431 02:02:32,440 --> 02:02:36,800 ..former SS officer and physician at the largest Nazi death camp, 1432 02:02:36,800 --> 02:02:38,320 Auschwitz-Birkenau. 1433 02:02:44,080 --> 02:02:48,320 - He wasn't somebody in World War II that anybody who was at the top 1434 02:02:48,320 --> 02:02:50,960 of the Third Reich would have ever heard of. 1435 02:02:50,960 --> 02:02:55,960 The only people that knew him were the survivors of Auschwitz. 1436 02:02:55,960 --> 02:03:00,280 For them, he was the most important highest ranking Nazi of them all. 1437 02:03:02,080 --> 02:03:05,760 And he thought that he could, in Auschwitz, 1438 02:03:05,760 --> 02:03:08,800 use the people who were being sent there to die 1439 02:03:08,800 --> 02:03:11,560 as experiments to advance the cause 1440 02:03:11,560 --> 02:03:14,960 of this sort of Nazi racial science and eugenics 1441 02:03:14,960 --> 02:03:19,600 that had just exploded since the time Hitler came to power in '33. 1442 02:03:19,600 --> 02:03:22,720 And why is it that Mengele stands out? 1443 02:03:22,720 --> 02:03:28,080 Not just because he did so much, but because of who he did it on. 1444 02:03:34,800 --> 02:03:36,640 He did it on children. 1445 02:03:36,640 --> 02:03:40,760 Most of his experiment victims were twins. 1446 02:03:43,400 --> 02:03:47,560 One twin is the control, one twin is the experiment. 1447 02:03:47,560 --> 02:03:50,640 Over a period of time, he does a series of experiments. 1448 02:03:50,640 --> 02:03:53,640 Some of them involved trying to turn eyes into blue eyes. 1449 02:03:53,640 --> 02:03:55,280 There's a wall of eyes, 1450 02:03:55,280 --> 02:03:58,440 a wall of eyes that are pinned to a bulletin board. 1451 02:04:02,680 --> 02:04:08,280 His barbarity becomes more unchained and worse the longer he's there. 1452 02:04:19,840 --> 02:04:22,600 - For over a decade, Mengele has been living 1453 02:04:22,600 --> 02:04:24,920 in the right-wing military dictatorships 1454 02:04:24,920 --> 02:04:27,720 of Argentina and Paraguay, 1455 02:04:27,720 --> 02:04:31,120 where thousands of former Nazis escaped to after the war. 1456 02:04:32,400 --> 02:04:35,120 - Going to the finest cafes in Buenos Aires, 1457 02:04:35,120 --> 02:04:38,120 hanging out with architects, talking about German music, 1458 02:04:38,120 --> 02:04:42,240 taking skiing vacations in Bariloche up in the mountains. 1459 02:04:42,240 --> 02:04:47,240 The kidnapping of Eichmann, his trial and his execution 1460 02:04:47,240 --> 02:04:51,080 puts into Mengele the foundations for paranoia. 1461 02:04:51,080 --> 02:04:55,520 For the first time since the end of World War II, 1462 02:04:55,520 --> 02:04:58,720 the man who was responsible for sending hundreds of thousands 1463 02:04:58,720 --> 02:05:01,920 to their death, and experimented on thousands of children 1464 02:05:01,920 --> 02:05:05,200 in ways that are absolutely gruesome and horrendous, is afraid. 1465 02:05:06,840 --> 02:05:10,880 - Mengele feels he has no option but to flee his comfortable city life. 1466 02:05:12,120 --> 02:05:15,160 - Being in the phone book, having a medical supply business - 1467 02:05:15,160 --> 02:05:17,440 poof, out, finished. 1468 02:05:17,440 --> 02:05:19,120 Now you're the fugitive. 1469 02:05:36,840 --> 02:05:41,200 - Back in Germany, there could be a more serious threat to Mengele 1470 02:05:41,200 --> 02:05:43,840 from within his own family. 1471 02:05:43,840 --> 02:05:49,040 His son, Rolf, has been growing up unaware of his father's existence. 1472 02:05:54,720 --> 02:05:57,720 - So, Rolf Mengele in 1960, 16 years of age, 1473 02:05:57,720 --> 02:06:00,240 is a pretty typical 16-year-old. 1474 02:06:00,240 --> 02:06:02,080 He's not burdened by any sense of history, 1475 02:06:02,080 --> 02:06:04,240 or family legacy, or World War II. 1476 02:06:04,240 --> 02:06:07,840 He believes his own father died a war hero on the Eastern front. 1477 02:06:07,840 --> 02:06:09,600 That's all he needs to know. 1478 02:06:11,560 --> 02:06:13,560 - Now Rolf's 16, 1479 02:06:13,560 --> 02:06:17,360 his family decide it's time to come clean about his father. 1480 02:06:20,680 --> 02:06:25,680 - He is called in and what he learns... 1481 02:06:25,680 --> 02:06:28,840 ..in a discussion with his family, 1482 02:06:28,840 --> 02:06:30,680 from the people that he trusts the most, 1483 02:06:30,680 --> 02:06:33,200 the people that he views as having raised him, 1484 02:06:33,200 --> 02:06:38,720 is that they have had this terrible lie about his life. 1485 02:06:47,200 --> 02:06:49,760 His father isn't dead. 1486 02:06:49,760 --> 02:06:51,280 He's still alive. 1487 02:06:51,280 --> 02:06:54,000 He's not in Germany, he's in South America. 1488 02:06:54,000 --> 02:06:56,200 And not only was he alive, 1489 02:06:56,200 --> 02:06:59,920 he was accused of these terrible crimes in the war. 1490 02:07:03,240 --> 02:07:06,680 You want to turn an adolescent's world upside down? 1491 02:07:06,680 --> 02:07:08,400 Have it be Rolf Mengele. 1492 02:07:27,400 --> 02:07:30,840 - As the children of the Third Reich come of age, 1493 02:07:30,840 --> 02:07:33,840 many start to ask questions about their country's past. 1494 02:07:37,840 --> 02:07:41,680 21-year-old Beate Kunzel has just moved from Berlin 1495 02:07:41,680 --> 02:07:43,760 to start a new life in Paris. 1496 02:07:46,040 --> 02:07:50,880 - It's a beautiful city, so different from the monotony of Berlin. 1497 02:07:52,600 --> 02:07:54,480 When Beate arrives in Paris, 1498 02:07:54,480 --> 02:07:57,720 she feels a huge sense of liberation and relief. 1499 02:08:00,400 --> 02:08:03,760 - Beate soon falls in love with a young Parisian 1500 02:08:03,760 --> 02:08:05,720 called Serge Klarsfeld. 1501 02:08:07,520 --> 02:08:10,720 - Serge tells Beate that he's Jewish 1502 02:08:10,720 --> 02:08:14,800 and that his father was deported to Auschwitz and murdered there. 1503 02:08:25,120 --> 02:08:27,720 He's the one who tells her for the first time 1504 02:08:27,720 --> 02:08:30,640 about the extermination of Jewish people. 1505 02:08:30,640 --> 02:08:33,320 And that turns her world upside down. 1506 02:08:36,800 --> 02:08:39,800 Beate is shocked, she's surprised, she's moved, 1507 02:08:39,800 --> 02:08:42,760 but her first reaction is to hold back. 1508 02:08:44,080 --> 02:08:46,680 She has rarely heard a good word about the Jews 1509 02:08:46,680 --> 02:08:50,080 and she was told to be suspicious of Jewish people. 1510 02:08:55,000 --> 02:08:58,560 - Beate was just six years old when the war ended. 1511 02:09:00,080 --> 02:09:04,240 - Beate remembers that time full of confusion, 1512 02:09:04,240 --> 02:09:08,600 full of despair, bitterness, hunger, poverty. 1513 02:09:12,200 --> 02:09:15,600 She played in the ruins of Berlin, 1514 02:09:15,600 --> 02:09:19,600 but she didn't really understand what happened during the Nazi years. 1515 02:09:21,200 --> 02:09:25,320 Nobody talked about the extermination of the Jewish people. 1516 02:09:25,320 --> 02:09:26,800 If she would have asked questions, 1517 02:09:26,800 --> 02:09:29,680 she probably wouldn't have gotten any responses. 1518 02:09:32,600 --> 02:09:37,360 The more Serge tells her about the brutal reality of Nazism, 1519 02:09:37,360 --> 02:09:40,600 and the more she understands what had happened 1520 02:09:40,600 --> 02:09:43,320 to millions of Jews during that time, 1521 02:09:43,320 --> 02:09:47,280 it destroys her world the way she has seen it until that moment. 1522 02:09:51,120 --> 02:09:54,440 Learning from Serge and his tragic family story 1523 02:09:54,440 --> 02:09:59,600 changes the way Beate thinks about being German and about Germany. 1524 02:10:01,200 --> 02:10:05,760 I feel very close to Beate in a sense that when I, as a German, 1525 02:10:05,760 --> 02:10:08,760 got married to my Jewish husband, Pascal, 1526 02:10:08,760 --> 02:10:11,760 and learned about his tragic family story, 1527 02:10:11,760 --> 02:10:15,160 it shaped my way of how I feel of being German 1528 02:10:15,160 --> 02:10:18,960 and it made me a German of conscience and awareness. 1529 02:10:25,960 --> 02:10:29,840 - Five years later, Beate is married to Serge. 1530 02:10:31,200 --> 02:10:35,000 Haunted by the fact that it was her people who murdered his father, 1531 02:10:35,000 --> 02:10:39,320 she wants to right the wrongs of her country's past. 1532 02:10:39,320 --> 02:10:43,600 - Beate's story is a classic coming-of-age story. 1533 02:10:43,600 --> 02:10:47,200 As soon as she breaks free and chooses her own way, 1534 02:10:47,200 --> 02:10:49,680 she wakes up, she can blossom, 1535 02:10:49,680 --> 02:10:54,280 and she discovers who she really is and what she is capable of doing. 1536 02:10:56,600 --> 02:11:00,720 She finds, in those years, her true calling, 1537 02:11:00,720 --> 02:11:04,480 pursuing justice on behalf of millions of victims 1538 02:11:04,480 --> 02:11:06,000 of the Holocaust. 1539 02:11:08,920 --> 02:11:12,000 She doesn't really have much time on her hands, 1540 02:11:12,000 --> 02:11:16,400 but still every minute she and Serge have, 1541 02:11:16,400 --> 02:11:20,200 they dedicate to collect and compile all the information 1542 02:11:20,200 --> 02:11:22,880 of former Nazis and victims they can. 1543 02:11:24,120 --> 02:11:26,560 Considering where her life begins... 1544 02:11:28,200 --> 02:11:31,120 ..her transformation is even more remarkable. 1545 02:11:33,920 --> 02:11:37,760 - Beate focuses on Nazis who were active in occupied France 1546 02:11:37,760 --> 02:11:40,400 when Serge's father was deported to Auschwitz. 1547 02:11:42,760 --> 02:11:48,240 One of the worst of them is former SS officer Klaus Barbie. 1548 02:11:50,080 --> 02:11:53,200 In 1942, aged 29, 1549 02:11:53,200 --> 02:11:57,200 he became a Nazi Secret Police Chief in Southern France. 1550 02:11:57,200 --> 02:11:59,880 He was known as the Butcher of Lyon 1551 02:11:59,880 --> 02:12:02,960 because of his reputation for extreme cruelty. 1552 02:12:06,320 --> 02:12:09,200 - He was responsible for the arrest 1553 02:12:09,200 --> 02:12:13,240 of thousands of Jews hiding in France 1554 02:12:13,240 --> 02:12:17,880 and resistance fighters, torturing them, killing them. 1555 02:12:17,880 --> 02:12:24,640 He seems to have taken great joy out of causing pain to his victims. 1556 02:12:25,680 --> 02:12:30,080 - But Barbie is most notorious for sending 44 French children 1557 02:12:30,080 --> 02:12:32,440 to their deaths at Auschwitz. 1558 02:12:33,800 --> 02:12:37,160 After the war, to avoid capture, 1559 02:12:37,160 --> 02:12:41,200 he secretly worked as an informant for American intelligence, 1560 02:12:41,200 --> 02:12:43,560 as the Cold War began to escalate. 1561 02:12:45,040 --> 02:12:47,480 Then, in 1951, 1562 02:12:47,480 --> 02:12:51,360 his reputation as a torturer and murderer caught up with him 1563 02:12:51,360 --> 02:12:56,280 and he was forced to flee Europe via the Nazi Ratline for Bolivia. 1564 02:12:58,680 --> 02:13:02,720 He's been living here for 15 years under the alias Klaus Altmann. 1565 02:13:04,760 --> 02:13:09,360 - He has a network of Nazi comrades he can rely on. 1566 02:13:09,360 --> 02:13:13,200 He can be very social, he can be very charming. 1567 02:13:13,200 --> 02:13:17,320 Having beers, talking about Germany, Europe, the good old times, 1568 02:13:17,320 --> 02:13:19,280 is something that he enjoys to do. 1569 02:13:19,280 --> 02:13:22,720 But while doing that, he also doesn't hold back sometimes 1570 02:13:22,720 --> 02:13:24,280 of his views. 1571 02:13:24,280 --> 02:13:27,560 He makes pretty clear he still admires Hitler, 1572 02:13:27,560 --> 02:13:32,720 the Nazi regime, that he is an anti-Semite, he hates the Jews. 1573 02:13:34,360 --> 02:13:37,920 - It's not just fellow Germans that Barbie's in cahoots with. 1574 02:13:39,200 --> 02:13:42,880 His anti-Communist views and knowledge of torture techniques 1575 02:13:42,880 --> 02:13:45,640 make him useful to the right-wing military dictatorship 1576 02:13:45,640 --> 02:13:46,920 here in Bolivia. 1577 02:13:55,640 --> 02:14:00,440 - He's back into the game in Bolivia in the 1960s. 1578 02:14:00,440 --> 02:14:05,120 He was very much attracted to their ideology... 1579 02:14:06,800 --> 02:14:11,680 ..the world of the military, spies and terrorism 1580 02:14:11,680 --> 02:14:17,160 and intelligence and double agents and coup d'etats. 1581 02:14:17,160 --> 02:14:21,600 All of that reminded him of the past years of his life 1582 02:14:21,600 --> 02:14:25,600 where he had the most power and had this career. 1583 02:14:25,600 --> 02:14:27,760 He could have stayed away, but he didn't. 1584 02:14:33,440 --> 02:14:36,840 - Beate gathers evidence about Barbie's crimes. 1585 02:14:36,840 --> 02:14:39,000 She lobbies the French government 1586 02:14:39,000 --> 02:14:41,840 to help her track him down and bring him to justice. 1587 02:15:02,880 --> 02:15:06,400 Beate's challenge is that in the 1960s, 1588 02:15:06,400 --> 02:15:08,120 the German economy is booming. 1589 02:15:09,600 --> 02:15:12,040 People's lives are on the up, 1590 02:15:12,040 --> 02:15:15,960 so the last thing on their minds is bringing old Nazis to justice. 1591 02:15:20,160 --> 02:15:24,920 - In those years, Beate is the moral conscience of Europe. 1592 02:15:24,920 --> 02:15:29,120 She has this internal conviction. 1593 02:15:29,120 --> 02:15:31,920 In that way, she is absolutely unique. 1594 02:15:31,920 --> 02:15:35,320 Some older Germans think she is just very annoying, 1595 02:15:35,320 --> 02:15:38,120 a young woman who was a child during the war, 1596 02:15:38,120 --> 02:15:42,320 who doesn't know much, who just makes a lot of noise. 1597 02:15:42,320 --> 02:15:45,600 But she is relentless and she's unstoppable. 1598 02:15:57,280 --> 02:16:00,280 - And Beate is right to be concerned. 1599 02:16:04,080 --> 02:16:07,800 One high-ranking Nazi is about to be released 1600 02:16:07,800 --> 02:16:09,960 from a 20-year prison sentence. 1601 02:16:18,480 --> 02:16:21,840 At one minute to midnight, Albert Speer, 1602 02:16:21,840 --> 02:16:25,080 Hitler's once close friend and Armaments Minister, 1603 02:16:25,080 --> 02:16:27,400 appears in a top-of-the-range Mercedes. 1604 02:16:29,000 --> 02:16:31,040 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 1605 02:16:51,880 --> 02:16:52,920 - Yeah. 1606 02:16:55,640 --> 02:16:59,000 A pop star, a rock star is leaving prison. 1607 02:17:01,280 --> 02:17:03,680 - Speer escaped the noose at Nuremberg 1608 02:17:03,680 --> 02:17:05,880 after playing a clever game in court. 1609 02:17:07,440 --> 02:17:12,200 - Speer was deeply involved in the persecution of the Jews. 1610 02:17:12,200 --> 02:17:15,160 In close cooperation with Himmler, 1611 02:17:15,160 --> 02:17:21,280 he prepared the deportation of Berlin Jews to concentration camps. 1612 02:17:21,280 --> 02:17:23,400 He definitely should have hanged. 1613 02:17:25,480 --> 02:17:30,680 He's happy that he has survived Spandau 1614 02:17:30,680 --> 02:17:34,360 and that, now, he can look into the future. 1615 02:17:57,680 --> 02:17:59,720 - Now, I am no linguist, you see, 1616 02:17:59,720 --> 02:18:03,240 but I can tell you that I am quite glad to be outside here. 1617 02:18:05,520 --> 02:18:06,880 Ja, danke schon. 1618 02:18:08,720 --> 02:18:12,840 - Speer sees an opportunity to capitalise on his celebrity status. 1619 02:18:14,400 --> 02:18:17,880 Whilst in prison, he's been writing his memoirs. 1620 02:18:22,160 --> 02:18:26,880 Shortly after his release, he has lunch with a publisher. 1621 02:18:26,880 --> 02:18:31,240 - He knows that the public is eager to hear from him, 1622 02:18:31,240 --> 02:18:35,640 what he has to say about Hitler, because he was so close. 1623 02:18:35,640 --> 02:18:38,360 And the difference between him 1624 02:18:38,360 --> 02:18:41,640 and the other members of Hitler's inner circle 1625 02:18:41,640 --> 02:18:44,560 is that he is ready to talk. 1626 02:18:46,920 --> 02:18:53,560 He wants to dominate the interpretation of the Third Reich. 1627 02:18:54,840 --> 02:18:59,440 - Speer has every reason to think he will regain his former status. 1628 02:19:04,840 --> 02:19:09,400 Against a backdrop of collective amnesia in West Germany, 1629 02:19:09,400 --> 02:19:13,160 former Nazis are doing very well for themselves. 1630 02:19:14,440 --> 02:19:19,600 In the 1960s, they make up over half the country's lawyers and judges, 1631 02:19:19,600 --> 02:19:24,680 a third of Members of Parliament and half of all civil servants. 1632 02:19:27,200 --> 02:19:29,200 Right at the top of the tree 1633 02:19:29,200 --> 02:19:33,160 is the new German Chancellor, Kurt Kiesinger, 1634 02:19:33,160 --> 02:19:34,960 a former high-ranking Nazi 1635 02:19:34,960 --> 02:19:37,880 who disseminated anti-Semitic propaganda. 1636 02:19:48,760 --> 02:19:51,520 Any hope of changing this old world order 1637 02:19:51,520 --> 02:19:53,760 now rests with a new generation. 1638 02:19:54,880 --> 02:20:00,760 In 1968, students around the world protest against state militaries, 1639 02:20:00,760 --> 02:20:03,200 bureaucracy and civil injustice. 1640 02:20:05,040 --> 02:20:06,640 Young people everywhere 1641 02:20:06,640 --> 02:20:09,480 are challenging the status quo of their parents. 1642 02:20:13,920 --> 02:20:19,040 For young Germans, this is more complicated than for most, 1643 02:20:19,040 --> 02:20:22,880 particularly if you are Rolf Mengele. 1644 02:20:22,880 --> 02:20:25,840 - You could be in the new German generation and move forward 1645 02:20:25,840 --> 02:20:29,200 and be worried about the issues that were driving students' movements. 1646 02:20:29,200 --> 02:20:32,200 But if your father was a wanted war criminal, 1647 02:20:32,200 --> 02:20:36,280 that was hanging in the back of your mind constantly during this period. 1648 02:20:38,600 --> 02:20:40,520 So, to be Mengele's son 1649 02:20:40,520 --> 02:20:45,320 was the worst possible child to be of a Nazi, in Rolf's view. 1650 02:20:45,320 --> 02:20:47,400 And he carried that with him. 1651 02:20:47,400 --> 02:20:52,360 Then it became more of an anchor around his neck. 1652 02:21:10,120 --> 02:21:14,800 - Josef Mengele is now living in rural isolation in Brazil, 1653 02:21:14,800 --> 02:21:18,280 oblivious to the new ideas taking hold in the wider world. 1654 02:21:24,800 --> 02:21:27,080 - He's now stuck pretty much on this farm. 1655 02:21:27,080 --> 02:21:29,480 He doesn't go into town, he doesn't go shopping, 1656 02:21:29,480 --> 02:21:32,000 he doesn't decide to meet other people. 1657 02:21:33,440 --> 02:21:35,800 When he does venture a little bit away from the farmhouse, 1658 02:21:35,800 --> 02:21:39,400 he makes sure that he has this pack of stray dogs with him. 1659 02:21:41,880 --> 02:21:46,080 This was a period in which he had had his world pulled out from under him, 1660 02:21:46,080 --> 02:21:50,240 afraid he was going to be caught, executed and humiliated. 1661 02:21:53,720 --> 02:21:58,160 - Feeling isolated, Mengele decides to reach out to his son. 1662 02:22:10,280 --> 02:22:13,240 - I believe that Rolf would have preferred 1663 02:22:13,240 --> 02:22:15,080 that his father did not write to him. 1664 02:22:16,600 --> 02:22:18,840 I believe that Rolf would have been quite relieved 1665 02:22:18,840 --> 02:22:23,000 if he got the news, somebody said, "Your father's dead." 1666 02:22:24,240 --> 02:22:27,240 - The letters force Rolf to confront the real possibility 1667 02:22:27,240 --> 02:22:29,160 of turning his father in. 1668 02:22:30,600 --> 02:22:34,760 - His father is on the run longer than any other, 1669 02:22:34,760 --> 02:22:39,360 and he knows his father's alive and where he is 1670 02:22:39,360 --> 02:22:41,080 and is in communication with him. 1671 02:22:43,400 --> 02:22:47,000 Rolf must resolve for himself this moral quandary - 1672 02:22:47,000 --> 02:22:51,640 "What did my father do?", and how much responsibility he had. 1673 02:22:53,120 --> 02:22:56,360 He can't find that out by writing letters to him. 1674 02:22:56,360 --> 02:22:59,560 He must travel to South America and confront his father. 1675 02:23:09,080 --> 02:23:12,520 - Three years after his release from prison, 1676 02:23:12,520 --> 02:23:16,560 Speer's much-awaited memoir - Inside the Third Reich - 1677 02:23:16,560 --> 02:23:18,480 is published. 1678 02:23:18,480 --> 02:23:22,680 As the surviving member of Hitler's close inner circle, 1679 02:23:22,680 --> 02:23:26,800 this could be his chance to tell the truth about the Nazi regime. 1680 02:23:30,480 --> 02:23:38,360 - Speer depicts Hitler as the big, huge, god-like Fuhrer... 1681 02:23:39,760 --> 02:23:44,960 ..and all others are kind of manipulated. 1682 02:23:48,800 --> 02:23:54,240 Speer appears in his memoirs as a victim, a victim of Hitler, 1683 02:23:54,240 --> 02:23:59,200 who just wanted to be an architect, who was innocent, 1684 02:23:59,200 --> 02:24:04,440 a young, ambitious man who - by chance - 1685 02:24:04,440 --> 02:24:07,440 met the dictator. 1686 02:24:07,440 --> 02:24:11,280 - Rather than speaking truthfully for the sake of history, 1687 02:24:11,280 --> 02:24:14,880 Speer speaks for the sake of himself. 1688 02:24:14,880 --> 02:24:18,760 It's the same strategy he used to save himself from execution 1689 02:24:18,760 --> 02:24:22,000 at the Nuremberg trials 25 years ago. 1690 02:24:23,640 --> 02:24:26,680 - Speer plays a clever game. 1691 02:24:26,680 --> 02:24:31,560 In his memoirs, Speer appears as a witness. 1692 02:24:31,560 --> 02:24:33,840 He is not a perpetrator. 1693 02:24:33,840 --> 02:24:37,960 He admits a general responsibility for the regime, 1694 02:24:37,960 --> 02:24:43,400 but he denies any personal guilt 1695 02:24:43,400 --> 02:24:47,720 for the atrocities committed by the Nazis. 1696 02:24:49,240 --> 02:24:53,840 He knows perfectly well that he's lying. 1697 02:24:55,840 --> 02:24:58,880 - Speer makes countless public appearances. 1698 02:25:00,560 --> 02:25:04,160 - I thought that you are prepared to admit that you knew about Auschwitz. 1699 02:25:04,160 --> 02:25:06,960 - Well, erm... - You didn't pursue your enquiries 1700 02:25:06,960 --> 02:25:09,440 to discover the dimensions of what was happening. - No, no... 1701 02:25:09,440 --> 02:25:11,280 - But surely you knew about Auschwitz and... 1702 02:25:11,280 --> 02:25:13,520 - No, that's not, it's not... I didn't write that. 1703 02:25:13,520 --> 02:25:15,680 You know that the Final Solution was a secret 1704 02:25:15,680 --> 02:25:18,520 and it was a secret to me too. 1705 02:25:18,520 --> 02:25:20,880 - There are still many, many problems, 1706 02:25:20,880 --> 02:25:24,760 many problems of trying to comprehend, trying to understand. 1707 02:25:24,760 --> 02:25:26,920 I wouldn't want to say, for myself, 1708 02:25:26,920 --> 02:25:29,920 that you cleared up all of those problems today. 1709 02:25:29,920 --> 02:25:35,400 - Well, to me, nowadays, it's incomprehensible too. 1710 02:25:35,400 --> 02:25:42,960 But I was thinking as a specialist and not thinking as a human being. 1711 02:25:42,960 --> 02:25:47,040 And it was so specialised in my job as an architect, as I was, 1712 02:25:47,040 --> 02:25:55,040 that I forgot that humanity is the most important part of life. 1713 02:25:59,680 --> 02:26:02,480 - But is your life a tranquil life now? 1714 02:26:02,480 --> 02:26:07,240 Or are you haunted by recollections all the time? 1715 02:26:07,240 --> 02:26:10,720 - I think I got rid of what happened by writing this book. 1716 02:26:10,720 --> 02:26:15,280 This happens often and I'm not haunted at all. 1717 02:26:16,920 --> 02:26:24,480 - His legend works because he eases the conscience of the Germans. 1718 02:26:24,480 --> 02:26:31,360 He provides an exonerating story - an alibi - 1719 02:26:31,360 --> 02:26:33,280 for all Germans. 1720 02:26:34,480 --> 02:26:38,840 "If Speer had not known, 1721 02:26:38,840 --> 02:26:42,920 "how could we have known about the atrocities?" 1722 02:26:47,120 --> 02:26:51,360 Speer is their symbol, they believe him. 1723 02:26:51,360 --> 02:26:53,680 His book is their Bible. 1724 02:26:55,440 --> 02:26:58,400 - Inside the Third Reich becomes an instant bestseller... 1725 02:27:00,520 --> 02:27:02,640 ..and within a year, Speer has earned 1726 02:27:02,640 --> 02:27:05,320 almost a million Deutschmarks in royalties. 1727 02:27:07,680 --> 02:27:09,520 He becomes a wealthy man again. 1728 02:27:15,160 --> 02:27:17,160 MAN SPEAKS GERMAN 1729 02:27:22,720 --> 02:27:24,720 On the other side of the world, 1730 02:27:24,720 --> 02:27:28,160 another prominent Nazi is about to hit the headlines. 1731 02:27:28,160 --> 02:27:30,200 THEY SPEAK GERMAN 1732 02:27:32,360 --> 02:27:38,120 Beate Klarsfeld has tracked down a Klaus Altmann living in La Paz, 1733 02:27:38,120 --> 02:27:44,640 whom she strongly suspects is Klaus Barbie, the Butcher of Lyon. 1734 02:27:44,640 --> 02:27:46,680 UNTRANSLATED 1735 02:27:49,600 --> 02:27:52,080 After being approached by a journalist, 1736 02:27:52,080 --> 02:27:55,000 Altmann is now giving an interview. 1737 02:27:55,000 --> 02:27:57,560 - Maybe he was so convinced of himself 1738 02:27:57,560 --> 02:28:01,920 that giving an interview to kind of push forward, 1739 02:28:01,920 --> 02:28:05,080 go into counterattack and telling the world, 1740 02:28:05,080 --> 02:28:07,480 "No, you're wrong, I'm telling you honestly here, 1741 02:28:07,480 --> 02:28:11,440 "I'm not hiding, I'm not this person, I'm not Klaus Barbie." 1742 02:28:13,080 --> 02:28:18,760 Maybe he was under the illusion that this strategy would work. 1743 02:28:30,240 --> 02:28:33,600 And so the French journalist starts asking questions 1744 02:28:33,600 --> 02:28:36,520 and they continue their conversation in German. 1745 02:29:07,360 --> 02:29:10,400 But then a very clever trick by the French journalist is 1746 02:29:10,400 --> 02:29:12,600 in the middle of the German conversation, 1747 02:29:12,600 --> 02:29:16,680 he asked Altmann - Barbie - a question in French. 1748 02:29:19,000 --> 02:29:22,280 And Altmann - Barbie - 1749 02:29:22,280 --> 02:29:25,680 understands the question perfectly well and responds. 1750 02:29:33,760 --> 02:29:35,680 It is not proof, 1751 02:29:35,680 --> 02:29:41,800 but it is an indication that this Altmann is lying. 1752 02:29:45,680 --> 02:29:47,720 - This is sensational. 1753 02:29:47,720 --> 02:29:52,880 Showing that he understands French means that this is Klaus Barbie, 1754 02:29:52,880 --> 02:29:55,000 this is not Klaus Altmann. 1755 02:29:55,000 --> 02:29:57,240 This is the Butcher of Lyon, 1756 02:29:57,240 --> 02:30:01,320 one of the most horrible, atrocious war criminals. 1757 02:30:01,320 --> 02:30:03,920 And now she knows where he is, 1758 02:30:03,920 --> 02:30:07,800 and she knows also that she needs to use this momentum 1759 02:30:07,800 --> 02:30:12,000 to get as much international publicity as she can, 1760 02:30:12,000 --> 02:30:14,960 to increase the pressure on both the Bolivian 1761 02:30:14,960 --> 02:30:17,680 and the French governments to extradite him, 1762 02:30:17,680 --> 02:30:20,880 so that he can finally be tried and brought to justice. 1763 02:30:24,040 --> 02:30:27,560 - Days later, Beate flies to La Paz. 1764 02:30:37,760 --> 02:30:41,600 Accompanying her is Ita Halaunbrenner. 1765 02:30:41,600 --> 02:30:44,160 Barbie murdered her husband during the war... 1766 02:30:45,880 --> 02:30:48,920 ..and her two young daughters were among the 44 children 1767 02:30:48,920 --> 02:30:51,120 Barbie sent to die at Auschwitz. 1768 02:30:52,920 --> 02:30:57,080 - Bringing one of Barbie's victims to Bolivia 1769 02:30:57,080 --> 02:31:00,160 and let her tell her own life story 1770 02:31:00,160 --> 02:31:07,120 and the tremendous, horrible losses she suffered under Barbie is... 1771 02:31:07,120 --> 02:31:09,480 It's the most effective thing she can do. 1772 02:31:09,480 --> 02:31:11,400 Let the victim talk. 1773 02:31:15,040 --> 02:31:17,280 Going to Bolivia is very risky. 1774 02:31:17,280 --> 02:31:19,680 It's a hostile environment. 1775 02:31:19,680 --> 02:31:23,840 This country is a right-wing military dictatorship. 1776 02:31:23,840 --> 02:31:27,440 But, of course, Beate being Beate, she does whatever she wants. 1777 02:31:27,440 --> 02:31:29,280 She is not scared by that. 1778 02:31:32,240 --> 02:31:38,000 - Unsurprisingly, Barbie refuses to meet Beate and Ita, 1779 02:31:38,000 --> 02:31:41,920 so they chain themselves to a bench outside his office. 1780 02:31:44,640 --> 02:31:46,680 TELEPHONE RINGS 1781 02:31:51,160 --> 02:31:56,440 - Klaus Barbie is used to spies and intelligence 1782 02:31:56,440 --> 02:32:02,040 and blackmail and double agents and betrayal. 1783 02:32:02,040 --> 02:32:04,360 And then he is confronting now 1784 02:32:04,360 --> 02:32:08,240 an opponent which totally don't fit the bill. 1785 02:32:11,520 --> 02:32:14,320 They are morally upright people. 1786 02:32:14,320 --> 02:32:17,800 They're standing for a good cause. They have no hidden agenda. 1787 02:32:17,800 --> 02:32:20,400 It must have been very confusing to him. 1788 02:32:22,120 --> 02:32:25,400 - When Beate is asked what those chains mean, 1789 02:32:25,400 --> 02:32:29,360 she says, "Those are the chains that link Bolivia to Nazism." 1790 02:32:30,880 --> 02:32:34,120 The police arrive, confiscate the signs, 1791 02:32:34,120 --> 02:32:36,920 but that doesn't stop Beate and Ita. 1792 02:32:36,920 --> 02:32:41,800 They remain on the bench, calling for Barbie's extradition. 1793 02:32:45,080 --> 02:32:49,680 - Beate realises her attempts to capture Barbie are futile 1794 02:32:49,680 --> 02:32:54,200 when a government official tells her Bolivia is a protected asylum 1795 02:32:54,200 --> 02:32:57,720 and those who take refuge there are sacrosanct. 1796 02:32:59,520 --> 02:33:03,480 Within days, Beate is arrested and deported back to France. 1797 02:33:34,760 --> 02:33:38,520 The Butcher of Lyon is safe for now. 1798 02:33:38,520 --> 02:33:41,160 But the publicity generated around Beate's visit 1799 02:33:41,160 --> 02:33:44,240 has exposed his crimes to the world 1800 02:33:44,240 --> 02:33:46,320 and he decides he needs to retaliate. 1801 02:34:04,800 --> 02:34:07,280 Mirna Murillo is one of the journalists 1802 02:34:07,280 --> 02:34:10,880 who reported on Barbie's crimes in the wake of Beate's visit. 1803 02:35:19,440 --> 02:35:24,520 - So, listening to her testimony, it almost feels like time travelling. 1804 02:35:24,520 --> 02:35:25,760 Nothing has changed. 1805 02:35:25,760 --> 02:35:28,760 We are back into Lyon at the Gestapo headquarters. 1806 02:35:28,760 --> 02:35:32,080 You know, Klaus Barbie sneaking in and looking at her... 1807 02:35:34,320 --> 02:35:38,240 ..it almost seems like he wants to send out a signal, 1808 02:35:38,240 --> 02:35:41,440 that he is in charge, that he can pull this off, 1809 02:35:41,440 --> 02:35:45,080 that this can happen to anyone who tries to get after him. 1810 02:36:06,960 --> 02:36:11,600 - Rolf Mengele has finally decided to travel to South America 1811 02:36:11,600 --> 02:36:14,960 to confront his father, Josef Mengele, 1812 02:36:14,960 --> 02:36:17,600 about the crimes he committed at Auschwitz. 1813 02:36:18,800 --> 02:36:24,240 - What he hopes he will hear is his father to say, 1814 02:36:24,240 --> 02:36:27,800 "Auschwitz, that was really a terrible place. 1815 02:36:27,800 --> 02:36:32,040 "I hated it. I never wanted to be there, but I had to. 1816 02:36:32,040 --> 02:36:33,520 "I couldn't leave. 1817 02:36:33,520 --> 02:36:37,000 "And I've been tortured by it and I wake up at nights 1818 02:36:37,000 --> 02:36:40,480 "and it's a nightmare for me and I don't know what to do." 1819 02:37:09,440 --> 02:37:13,080 Rolf's approach is not to be confrontational at the start. 1820 02:37:15,720 --> 02:37:20,600 Josef is the one who takes the issue of Auschwitz. 1821 02:37:22,360 --> 02:37:24,960 At first, he says, "I was ordered to do that. 1822 02:37:24,960 --> 02:37:28,120 "They were my orders. I didn't invent Auschwitz." 1823 02:37:28,120 --> 02:37:31,520 Yes, he's just a functionary, he's a cog in the big machine. 1824 02:37:33,520 --> 02:37:36,040 Rolf lets that go on for quite a while 1825 02:37:36,040 --> 02:37:40,000 before he then turns the tables 1826 02:37:40,000 --> 02:37:43,920 into becoming the cross-examining attorney and pushing his father. 1827 02:37:43,920 --> 02:37:46,560 Then, "If you felt like that, why didn't you do this? 1828 02:37:46,560 --> 02:37:48,520 "Why didn't you turn yourself in? 1829 02:37:48,520 --> 02:37:51,320 "Why don't you go ahead and tell the world what happened?" 1830 02:37:52,600 --> 02:37:56,680 And at that moment, there is a breaking point. 1831 02:38:00,400 --> 02:38:03,040 The real ideologue comes out, the real Nazi comes out, 1832 02:38:03,040 --> 02:38:06,840 the real eugenics scientist who thought that he was at the forefront 1833 02:38:06,840 --> 02:38:09,240 of engineering a master race - 1834 02:38:09,240 --> 02:38:14,600 "Those children, who are now adults, who describe the experiments 1835 02:38:14,600 --> 02:38:17,960 "and for which I am wanted would have been dead 1836 02:38:17,960 --> 02:38:21,360 "if I hadn't pulled them aside and saved their lives." 1837 02:38:24,800 --> 02:38:27,800 And in his warped vision of the world, 1838 02:38:27,800 --> 02:38:29,720 he should be thanked for that. 1839 02:38:36,520 --> 02:38:40,640 He is captured in this World War II nationalist, 1840 02:38:40,640 --> 02:38:46,480 socialist ideology and medical quackery about superior races 1841 02:38:46,480 --> 02:38:50,640 and he cannot come out of it, because to do so would be to shatter 1842 02:38:50,640 --> 02:38:55,920 his carefully thought of defence as to why he's not a monster. 1843 02:38:55,920 --> 02:38:58,240 He's not going to admit it in front of his son, 1844 02:38:58,240 --> 02:39:00,280 he can't come close to admitting it. 1845 02:39:02,360 --> 02:39:04,720 And Rolf understands that. 1846 02:39:06,880 --> 02:39:08,080 It's clear as a bell. 1847 02:39:09,280 --> 02:39:11,760 He's learned all he needs to know 1848 02:39:11,760 --> 02:39:14,600 about his unrepentant, war criminal father. 1849 02:39:30,200 --> 02:39:34,480 - Rolf is now key to facilitating the wheels of justice. 1850 02:39:36,200 --> 02:39:37,920 - What is most important after the visit 1851 02:39:37,920 --> 02:39:39,440 is what Rolf decides not to do. 1852 02:39:40,520 --> 02:39:43,800 I'd like Rolf to storm out of the house and get on a plane 1853 02:39:43,800 --> 02:39:46,840 and fly back to Germany and say, "You are a criminal", 1854 02:39:46,840 --> 02:39:48,160 and call up the police. 1855 02:39:48,160 --> 02:39:51,080 Of course that's what I would like. But he doesn't do that. 1856 02:39:52,640 --> 02:39:57,640 He now knows that if his father is put on trial, 1857 02:39:57,640 --> 02:40:01,000 it's a disaster for the family, 1858 02:40:01,000 --> 02:40:06,440 because his father is not going to say, "I'm sorry, I plead guilty," 1859 02:40:06,440 --> 02:40:10,000 and it's going to be humiliating and personally destructive 1860 02:40:10,000 --> 02:40:13,080 for anybody connected to Josef Mengele. 1861 02:40:16,440 --> 02:40:18,200 I absolutely criticise him. 1862 02:40:18,200 --> 02:40:20,600 You had a duty to the victims. 1863 02:40:20,600 --> 02:40:22,960 He could have done things differently. 1864 02:40:38,720 --> 02:40:44,640 - In 1978, after decades of denial about the crimes of the Nazis, 1865 02:40:44,640 --> 02:40:48,520 a big budget TV drama series, The Holocaust, 1866 02:40:48,520 --> 02:40:53,760 is broadcast in the US and a year later in Germany. 1867 02:40:53,760 --> 02:40:59,040 - Holocaust research started really seriously out in the 1960s. 1868 02:40:59,040 --> 02:41:01,840 It started with academics at universities. 1869 02:41:01,840 --> 02:41:04,920 But that didn't reach a wider audience at first. 1870 02:41:06,600 --> 02:41:09,320 - When the Holocaust television series runs, 1871 02:41:09,320 --> 02:41:12,320 it is as if a light switch turns on in Germany 1872 02:41:12,320 --> 02:41:16,040 and in other countries about the crimes of World War II. 1873 02:41:16,040 --> 02:41:19,480 This television event brings it home into everybody's living room. 1874 02:41:19,480 --> 02:41:24,440 They were able to see it, they talked about it, it's high rated. 1875 02:41:24,440 --> 02:41:30,520 - The Holocaust mini-series changed how the Germans viewed themselves. 1876 02:41:30,520 --> 02:41:32,360 The series is like a mirror. 1877 02:41:32,360 --> 02:41:33,520 For many of them, 1878 02:41:33,520 --> 02:41:36,560 this is the first time - even if it is fictitious - 1879 02:41:36,560 --> 02:41:39,160 to see what happened in the gas chambers 1880 02:41:39,160 --> 02:41:41,240 and in the concentration camps. 1881 02:41:41,240 --> 02:41:44,240 It is a unique way of showing Germans 1882 02:41:44,240 --> 02:41:46,680 what they inflicted on Jewish people. 1883 02:41:46,680 --> 02:41:48,720 - CHANTING 1884 02:41:51,320 --> 02:41:55,760 In this era of public awakening about Germany's dark past, 1885 02:41:55,760 --> 02:42:01,000 Josef Mengele features in popular culture as the ultimate bogeyman. 1886 02:42:02,040 --> 02:42:05,920 - He now becomes the focus of all of the attention of Nazi hunters. 1887 02:42:05,920 --> 02:42:09,360 He becomes the Angel of Death, the fugitive still missing. 1888 02:42:11,200 --> 02:42:15,280 In 1976, there was a movie, Marathon Man, 1889 02:42:15,280 --> 02:42:17,920 based upon a character that looks like Mengele. 1890 02:42:17,920 --> 02:42:19,800 The year after that, there's a movie made, 1891 02:42:19,800 --> 02:42:22,040 Boys from Brazil, in which he's named. 1892 02:42:25,440 --> 02:42:28,280 - But his son Rolf continues to stay silent 1893 02:42:28,280 --> 02:42:30,400 about his father's whereabouts. 1894 02:42:37,160 --> 02:42:40,640 Then Rolf gets a visit from one of his father's contacts. 1895 02:42:45,000 --> 02:42:50,200 Josef Mengele has drowned after suffering a stroke 1896 02:42:50,200 --> 02:42:52,640 while swimming off the coast of Brazil. 1897 02:42:56,000 --> 02:43:00,640 - When Rolf first got the news about his father's death in 1979, 1898 02:43:00,640 --> 02:43:03,480 it was a tremendous relief - 1899 02:43:03,480 --> 02:43:06,560 because Josef Mengele, his father, was an obligation, 1900 02:43:06,560 --> 02:43:09,800 was a burden that he had to think about in the back of his mind. 1901 02:43:09,800 --> 02:43:14,280 Much better that resolution than a trial. 1902 02:43:16,960 --> 02:43:22,240 He's then faced with a much lower bar to pass the moral, 1903 02:43:22,240 --> 02:43:25,240 you know, test of doing the right thing - 1904 02:43:25,240 --> 02:43:28,560 stop the hunt for his father, 1905 02:43:28,560 --> 02:43:31,400 so that the people who were his victims at Auschwitz 1906 02:43:31,400 --> 02:43:33,240 don't keep looking for this ghost. 1907 02:43:35,080 --> 02:43:36,600 If he wasn't going to turn him in, 1908 02:43:36,600 --> 02:43:38,800 which would have been the dream scenario, 1909 02:43:38,800 --> 02:43:41,920 then at the very least to have told us he was dead. 1910 02:43:50,280 --> 02:43:53,040 - It's not until six years later, 1911 02:43:53,040 --> 02:43:55,160 when the New York Times breaks a story 1912 02:43:55,160 --> 02:43:59,200 that Mengele's remains have been discovered in Brazil, 1913 02:43:59,200 --> 02:44:03,560 that the hunt for the Angel of Death comes to an end. 1914 02:44:07,600 --> 02:44:13,240 - I'm upset that he died without being in a cage. 1915 02:44:13,240 --> 02:44:16,960 Having Mengele, who had blood on his hands, 1916 02:44:16,960 --> 02:44:20,760 who was in the heart of the Final Solution at Auschwitz, 1917 02:44:20,760 --> 02:44:22,720 testifying in a trial 1918 02:44:22,720 --> 02:44:24,920 would have been remarkably important for history. 1919 02:44:24,920 --> 02:44:26,800 We're robbed of that. He got away. 1920 02:44:38,120 --> 02:44:41,360 - Closer to home, Albert Speer is being interviewed 1921 02:44:41,360 --> 02:44:45,000 about his architecture for a BBC documentary. 1922 02:44:46,760 --> 02:44:51,680 - Hitler's hobby was architecture, and it was difficult to change his, 1923 02:44:51,680 --> 02:44:53,720 erm, his designs... 1924 02:44:55,760 --> 02:44:57,120 ..without offending him. 1925 02:44:58,120 --> 02:45:00,400 - At the end of his life, 1926 02:45:00,400 --> 02:45:05,880 Speer still likes to be a celebrity and he does interviews. 1927 02:45:06,960 --> 02:45:09,800 But at the same time, 1928 02:45:09,800 --> 02:45:16,040 Speer is annoyed by talking always about the past. 1929 02:45:16,040 --> 02:45:19,080 He wants to have a present again. 1930 02:45:19,080 --> 02:45:23,280 He flees Germany, he flees his own myth. 1931 02:45:25,800 --> 02:45:31,880 Speer has a relationship with a German woman living in London. 1932 02:45:33,320 --> 02:45:37,640 When he's in England, he's kind of unknown. 1933 02:45:41,280 --> 02:45:47,560 After the interview, he met his girlfriend in a hotel in London 1934 02:45:47,560 --> 02:45:51,920 and he suffered a stroke and he died on that same day. 1935 02:45:55,760 --> 02:46:02,120 He prolonged the war and he was responsible for millions of deaths. 1936 02:46:03,360 --> 02:46:09,800 He is a perpetrator, but at the same time, he got away with everything. 1937 02:46:11,200 --> 02:46:15,120 Speer's legacy is not his architecture... 1938 02:46:16,200 --> 02:46:18,800 ..but his Nazi past. 1939 02:46:24,000 --> 02:46:28,920 - Beate Klarsfeld now has to find the Nazis still out there 1940 02:46:28,920 --> 02:46:30,560 before it's too late. 1941 02:47:04,120 --> 02:47:08,520 After almost two decades of struggling for justice, 1942 02:47:08,520 --> 02:47:11,000 Beate and her husband, Serge, 1943 02:47:11,000 --> 02:47:14,440 are among the most prolific Nazi hunters in the world. 1944 02:47:14,440 --> 02:47:17,160 - The Klarsfelds are well known throughout Europe 1945 02:47:17,160 --> 02:47:20,760 for their very interesting home movies. 1946 02:47:20,760 --> 02:47:23,840 - It was very easy to find Herbert Hagen, 1947 02:47:23,840 --> 02:47:28,600 and Beate jumped immediately to the car and I told him, 1948 02:47:28,600 --> 02:47:30,560 "Are you the same Mr Hagen 1949 02:47:30,560 --> 02:47:34,680 "who was one of the highest leaders of the Gestapo in France?" 1950 02:47:35,720 --> 02:47:38,760 - As a result of their direct action, 1951 02:47:38,760 --> 02:47:43,600 former SS officer Herbert Hagen is brought to trial for his role 1952 02:47:43,600 --> 02:47:47,600 in the deportation of 73,000 Jews to Auschwitz... 1953 02:47:50,920 --> 02:47:53,880 ..as is another of their targets, Kurt Lischka... 1954 02:47:55,280 --> 02:47:58,600 ..who they had even attempted to kidnap in the 1970s. 1955 02:48:00,120 --> 02:48:04,520 And Chancellor Kurt Kiesinger is voted out of power 1956 02:48:04,520 --> 02:48:09,000 a year after Beate revealed his Nazi past with a slap. 1957 02:48:11,520 --> 02:48:16,760 But the Nazi at the top of Beate's case file, Klaus Barbie, 1958 02:48:16,760 --> 02:48:19,200 continues to elude her... 1959 02:48:19,200 --> 02:48:21,040 ..until the 1980s. 1960 02:48:23,160 --> 02:48:25,200 CHANTING 1961 02:48:33,760 --> 02:48:36,560 In Bolivia, a new left-leaning 1962 02:48:36,560 --> 02:48:40,640 democratically elected government takes power. 1963 02:48:40,640 --> 02:48:42,680 CHANTING 1964 02:48:44,000 --> 02:48:47,240 - The new government declares to come to a conclusion 1965 02:48:47,240 --> 02:48:50,120 and to deal with Klaus Altmann, Klaus Barbie. 1966 02:48:52,200 --> 02:48:55,040 He cannot rely on the political establishment 1967 02:48:55,040 --> 02:48:58,000 and the protection any more of the military 1968 02:48:58,000 --> 02:49:01,080 that he could rely on for so many years now. 1969 02:49:02,560 --> 02:49:05,760 The new government, from his point of view, is the enemy. 1970 02:49:06,880 --> 02:49:09,760 And also, the times have changed. We're now in the '80s. 1971 02:49:09,760 --> 02:49:12,800 The world understands much more what happened, 1972 02:49:12,800 --> 02:49:17,280 the nature of the Nazi regime, the nature of its crimes 1973 02:49:17,280 --> 02:49:20,360 and also the role of Klaus Barbie in it. 1974 02:49:20,360 --> 02:49:23,600 So, it does not look very good for him. 1975 02:49:23,600 --> 02:49:26,640 His days in Bolivia are numbered. 1976 02:49:26,640 --> 02:49:28,680 - WOMAN SPEAKS GERMAN 1977 02:49:30,680 --> 02:49:34,080 - Beate knows now this is her moment, 1978 02:49:34,080 --> 02:49:39,400 this is the time she's been waiting for for over ten years, 1979 02:49:39,400 --> 02:49:42,440 and she immediately jumps into action. 1980 02:49:42,440 --> 02:49:46,800 She knows she only has a very small window of opportunity, 1981 02:49:46,800 --> 02:49:48,800 maybe just a few days. 1982 02:49:48,800 --> 02:49:52,800 She simultaneously negotiates with the Bolivian government 1983 02:49:52,800 --> 02:49:55,240 and the French government. 1984 02:49:55,240 --> 02:49:58,560 Her biggest priority now is to make sure 1985 02:49:58,560 --> 02:50:02,960 that if he gets extradited that he's not being sent to Germany, 1986 02:50:02,960 --> 02:50:06,200 where the sentence could be much less than in France. 1987 02:50:08,560 --> 02:50:11,440 This could be potentially the biggest victory 1988 02:50:11,440 --> 02:50:13,600 of her lifelong fight. 1989 02:50:16,920 --> 02:50:20,680 - Under Bolivian law, Barbie can only be arrested 1990 02:50:20,680 --> 02:50:24,840 and extradited for a crime he's committed in Bolivia. 1991 02:50:24,840 --> 02:50:28,280 But the authorities are already one step ahead. 1992 02:50:29,680 --> 02:50:32,840 They discover that Barbie has an unpaid business debt. 1993 02:51:02,480 --> 02:51:06,520 On the 4th of February 1983, 1994 02:51:06,520 --> 02:51:09,000 the Butcher of Lyon is finally forced 1995 02:51:09,000 --> 02:51:12,080 to leave his South American safe haven. 1996 02:51:12,080 --> 02:51:14,120 - One of his first fears... 1997 02:51:16,600 --> 02:51:18,520 ..is now coming true - 1998 02:51:18,520 --> 02:51:21,320 that he is being handed over to the French. 1999 02:51:21,320 --> 02:51:25,040 He wanted to avoid this by all means possible. 2000 02:51:26,120 --> 02:51:29,480 To be forced to return to the scene of the crime, 2001 02:51:29,480 --> 02:51:32,400 this is the worst possible outcome. 2002 02:51:34,320 --> 02:51:38,640 He is not the strong, self-confident Klaus Barbie 2003 02:51:38,640 --> 02:51:41,000 that can survive everything. 2004 02:51:41,000 --> 02:51:43,360 He is really a broken man from that point on 2005 02:51:43,360 --> 02:51:45,880 and his will seems to be broken. 2006 02:51:49,240 --> 02:51:55,160 I think this is the surrender that he avoided in May 1945. 2007 02:51:55,160 --> 02:51:56,880 This is his personal surrender. 2008 02:52:44,040 --> 02:52:46,840 - On arrival in France, 2009 02:52:46,840 --> 02:52:49,800 Barbie is taken to Montluc jail in Lyon, 2010 02:52:49,800 --> 02:52:54,200 where he personally tortured so many of his victims 40 years ago. 2011 02:52:56,320 --> 02:52:58,760 Here he remains until his trial. 2012 02:53:43,160 --> 02:53:45,680 - She is the engine behind all this. 2013 02:53:47,520 --> 02:53:52,160 There can't be any justice for the murder of 6 million people, 2014 02:53:52,160 --> 02:53:58,480 but what those trials can bring is some redemption to the many victims. 2015 02:54:07,680 --> 02:54:13,120 She also knows this is just a milestone and her fight continues 2016 02:54:13,120 --> 02:54:17,640 as long as others are still free and unpunished. 165823

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