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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:17,183 --> 00:00:19,853 June 27th, 2017. 2 00:00:21,271 --> 00:00:25,066 Michael Riconosciuto has finally been released from prison. 3 00:00:27,152 --> 00:00:30,113 Twenty-six years earlier, Michael gave an affidavit 4 00:00:30,196 --> 00:00:32,907 describing his role in hacking the PROMIS software. 5 00:00:34,868 --> 00:00:37,912 Eight days later, he was arrested on drug charges. 6 00:00:41,833 --> 00:00:43,293 What's your plan now? 7 00:00:43,376 --> 00:00:44,878 First order of business, 8 00:00:44,961 --> 00:00:48,590 I have to call the US probation officer that's assigned to my case, 9 00:00:48,673 --> 00:00:53,136 or else I'm gonna be back in prison for the next 11 years. 10 00:00:54,012 --> 00:00:57,265 In 72 hours, he is supposed to be in Washington state 11 00:00:57,348 --> 00:01:00,351 for a federal court hearing on the conditions of his release. 12 00:01:00,852 --> 00:01:03,646 But he says he's afraid of who might be waiting for him there. 13 00:01:03,730 --> 00:01:07,400 Uh, hello, Miss Johnson. This is Michael Riconosciuto. 14 00:01:07,484 --> 00:01:12,197 I was picked up at the bus station, uh, by a journalist. 15 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:18,703 I will keep you advised as to what my location and itinerary is. 16 00:01:20,580 --> 00:01:23,416 Instead, he's heading south to find his lawyer 17 00:01:23,500 --> 00:01:25,752 who will advise him on what to do next. 18 00:01:27,003 --> 00:01:28,088 In the meantime, 19 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:32,300 Christian now has unfettered access to Danny's key source. 20 00:01:32,383 --> 00:01:35,595 I've been wanting to ask you these questions for a really long time. 21 00:01:36,429 --> 00:01:38,431 Do you remember how you first met Danny? 22 00:01:38,515 --> 00:01:40,100 - Danny Casolaro? - Yeah. 23 00:01:40,183 --> 00:01:41,851 Danny was a serious player, 24 00:01:42,435 --> 00:01:44,813 and we knew some of the same people and... 25 00:01:46,856 --> 00:01:48,775 started talking about Inslaw. 26 00:01:48,858 --> 00:01:51,152 And then Danny started digging into things. 27 00:01:51,236 --> 00:01:54,072 And I told him not to talk to certain people, 28 00:01:54,155 --> 00:01:56,116 not to raise certain issues, 29 00:01:56,199 --> 00:01:59,452 and he says, "I'm a journalist. I can ask any questions I want." 30 00:02:00,912 --> 00:02:02,163 Well, he learned, 31 00:02:02,247 --> 00:02:06,334 as did a number of other journalists that I dealt with directly. 32 00:02:07,460 --> 00:02:10,088 So you just introduced yourself to Bill Hamilton. 33 00:02:10,171 --> 00:02:11,548 How did this come about? 34 00:02:11,631 --> 00:02:16,094 I was a little hesitant to actually get myself involved in all of this, but, uh... 35 00:02:16,177 --> 00:02:17,679 A little scary? 36 00:02:17,762 --> 00:02:19,180 Yeah, it's a little scary. 37 00:02:19,264 --> 00:02:21,824 - Should be a whole lot scary. - Yeah, it's... 38 00:02:21,891 --> 00:02:22,767 Yeah. 39 00:02:22,851 --> 00:02:26,729 You know, people have second-guessed what I was trying to warn them about, 40 00:02:26,813 --> 00:02:29,065 and they all met the same fate. 41 00:02:32,026 --> 00:02:35,196 There's just too many people dead in this case. 42 00:02:56,843 --> 00:02:58,094 I talked to Danny 43 00:02:58,178 --> 00:03:01,139 when he got back from Washington state 44 00:03:01,222 --> 00:03:03,641 {\an8}to meet with Michael Riconosciuto. 45 00:03:03,725 --> 00:03:05,727 {\an8}Apparently, he was... 46 00:03:05,810 --> 00:03:08,479 {\an8}He was in search of a tape 47 00:03:08,563 --> 00:03:13,735 that supposedly Michael Riconosciuto had that would prove his story, 48 00:03:14,694 --> 00:03:15,945 and he couldn't find it. 49 00:03:18,406 --> 00:03:23,536 After that, I think he was beginning to get less convinced 50 00:03:23,620 --> 00:03:28,291 that Michael Riconosciuto was going to be a valuable source. 51 00:03:28,791 --> 00:03:30,501 How about this? A reliable source. 52 00:03:30,585 --> 00:03:33,922 I think he was valuable. Not sure how reliable he was. 53 00:03:38,051 --> 00:03:40,595 {\an8}Once you get involved with these people, 54 00:03:40,678 --> 00:03:44,015 {\an8}it's a world that makes no sense to the average person. 55 00:03:53,066 --> 00:03:56,402 This is LocTel. You have a collect call from... 56 00:03:56,903 --> 00:03:57,904 Mike. 57 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:02,867 Dr. John Nichols and Wackenhut, they, uh, 58 00:04:02,951 --> 00:04:08,289 tried to rope me into all of their government projects, 59 00:04:08,373 --> 00:04:11,918 and then people started questioning what Wackenhut was up to. 60 00:04:12,001 --> 00:04:15,546 And first, Alvarez gets murdered, and then Paul gets murdered. 61 00:04:16,047 --> 00:04:17,423 Who is Paul? 62 00:04:18,216 --> 00:04:21,010 Uh, Paul Morasca was my business partner. 63 00:04:21,094 --> 00:04:23,888 You know, anybody that's cooperated or helped me, 64 00:04:23,972 --> 00:04:27,141 they've just been mercilessly fucked with. 65 00:04:27,225 --> 00:04:31,437 We're dealing with some nasty, gruesome people that will stop at nothing. 66 00:04:31,521 --> 00:04:33,731 Murder ain't nothing to these people. 67 00:04:36,693 --> 00:04:40,071 Michael told me of his best friend, Paul Morasca, 68 00:04:40,154 --> 00:04:44,367 who had been murdered in San Francisco six months after Fred Alvarez. 69 00:04:46,703 --> 00:04:51,416 Among the Cabazon associates, Paul Morasca was the money trader, 70 00:04:52,041 --> 00:04:54,502 with access to offshore bank accounts 71 00:04:54,585 --> 00:04:58,006 amounting to over a billion dollars, according to Michael. 72 00:05:00,633 --> 00:05:03,094 But no one is supposed to talk about it. 73 00:05:06,306 --> 00:05:10,810 We are getting new details on a homicide investigation in San Francisco. 74 00:05:10,893 --> 00:05:12,353 It was a cold-blooded killing 75 00:05:12,437 --> 00:05:15,732 that took place in what residents say was a quiet area. 76 00:05:17,108 --> 00:05:19,569 During my 23 years in homicide, 77 00:05:19,652 --> 00:05:21,904 I worked quite a few serial killings, 78 00:05:21,988 --> 00:05:24,574 a lot of high-profile homicide cases, 79 00:05:24,657 --> 00:05:28,036 {\an8}but the murder investigation of Paul Morasca in San Francisco 80 00:05:28,119 --> 00:05:31,706 {\an8}was the most... uh, bizarre, 81 00:05:31,789 --> 00:05:36,336 convoluted, and frustrating murder cases that I ever worked on. 82 00:05:39,088 --> 00:05:44,802 On January 14th, 1982, I received a call from an attorney in Los Angeles. 83 00:05:46,220 --> 00:05:47,138 Hello? Yeah. 84 00:05:47,221 --> 00:05:48,306 Okay, will you be... 85 00:05:48,389 --> 00:05:51,851 And he had information from a client who he didn't identify 86 00:05:52,352 --> 00:05:56,147 that if police were to go to an address on Kearny Street in San Francisco, 87 00:05:56,647 --> 00:05:58,024 they would find a body. 88 00:06:00,526 --> 00:06:02,195 We found the body of Paul Morasca. 89 00:06:03,780 --> 00:06:07,492 His wrists were bound behind his back, 90 00:06:07,575 --> 00:06:12,246 and then there was a wire running from around his neck to his ankles, 91 00:06:13,915 --> 00:06:18,461 and that wire strangled him when he was no longer able to keep his legs bent. 92 00:06:19,921 --> 00:06:23,174 It appeared to be a form of torture. 93 00:06:27,261 --> 00:06:28,721 I called this attorney. 94 00:06:29,472 --> 00:06:33,518 He said his client was a guy by the name of Michael Riconosciuto. 95 00:06:36,979 --> 00:06:38,731 That he had found this body. 96 00:06:39,357 --> 00:06:40,942 And that he panicked 97 00:06:41,025 --> 00:06:45,279 {\an8}and drove all night from San Francisco to Indio, California, 98 00:06:45,780 --> 00:06:50,952 {\an8}to the Cabazon Indian Reservation, which is about 500 miles away. 99 00:06:52,787 --> 00:06:55,665 And it was all very unusual. All very strange. 100 00:06:59,127 --> 00:07:01,045 What do you remember about Paul? 101 00:07:01,129 --> 00:07:04,799 Uh, we've known each other since we were teenagers. 102 00:07:04,882 --> 00:07:06,259 What was he like? 103 00:07:06,342 --> 00:07:08,344 Well, Paul was a financial guy. 104 00:07:08,845 --> 00:07:13,224 What I was to technology, Paul was to economics. 105 00:07:13,307 --> 00:07:14,809 And, um, 106 00:07:15,393 --> 00:07:16,310 we got sucked in. 107 00:07:16,394 --> 00:07:20,857 And, you know, Paul figured it out first. I was too engrossed in my work. 108 00:07:21,691 --> 00:07:25,027 Riconosciuto told us that he had been working with this man 109 00:07:25,111 --> 00:07:26,946 by the name of Dr. Nichols. 110 00:07:27,447 --> 00:07:29,657 And so my partner and I went down to Indio, 111 00:07:29,740 --> 00:07:32,827 where we interviewed Dr. Nichols, who was running this casino. 112 00:07:33,786 --> 00:07:36,747 Today's date is February 16th, 1982. 113 00:07:37,582 --> 00:07:39,959 Uh, Dr. Nichols, I wish to ask you some questions 114 00:07:40,042 --> 00:07:43,546 regarding the... death of Paul Morasca. 115 00:07:44,380 --> 00:07:47,800 Were you in business with Paul and Mike? 116 00:07:47,884 --> 00:07:51,095 Not really. The way the thing came about, uh... 117 00:07:51,179 --> 00:07:53,306 I do some work with Wackenhut. 118 00:07:53,389 --> 00:07:55,558 - You know who Wackenhut is? - Mm-hmm. 119 00:07:55,641 --> 00:07:58,895 Mike came in because he's an inventive genius, 120 00:07:59,479 --> 00:08:02,023 but he has certain problems psychologically. 121 00:08:02,106 --> 00:08:05,276 - And you're a psychiatrist? - No, sir. I'm a social worker. 122 00:08:05,359 --> 00:08:08,029 - A social worker. - Psychiatric social worker... 123 00:08:08,112 --> 00:08:10,591 My question was, are you in business with these fellas? 124 00:08:10,615 --> 00:08:12,295 I'm explaining all these people. 125 00:08:12,742 --> 00:08:16,662 He was a very difficult guy to... to pin down. 126 00:08:16,746 --> 00:08:17,872 Strange guy. 127 00:08:19,373 --> 00:08:22,543 Told me that he was working with Michael Riconosciuto, 128 00:08:22,627 --> 00:08:25,880 developing weapons with the government. 129 00:08:26,756 --> 00:08:29,675 {\an8}And then we found out that Michael's friend, 130 00:08:29,759 --> 00:08:33,888 Paul Morasca, had invested hundreds of thousands of dollars 131 00:08:33,971 --> 00:08:35,765 into this operation. 132 00:08:36,265 --> 00:08:40,019 So there was a lot of money connected with Morasca. 133 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:43,022 I got involved in setting this thing up with them. 134 00:08:43,105 --> 00:08:44,106 Mm-hmm. 135 00:08:44,190 --> 00:08:47,693 Mike was brought to me by his father, originally. 136 00:08:50,279 --> 00:08:53,199 How did you end up at Cabazon? 137 00:08:53,282 --> 00:08:57,245 Well, I've known John Philip Nichols since I was very young, 138 00:08:57,328 --> 00:09:01,040 through family friends. George Wackenhut, since I was very young. 139 00:09:01,123 --> 00:09:03,751 This is just the circles my father was in. 140 00:09:04,252 --> 00:09:07,463 {\an8}He was doing a lot of lobbying in Washington, D.C. 141 00:09:07,547 --> 00:09:09,507 {\an8}for various government agencies. 142 00:09:10,341 --> 00:09:12,677 Do I need to say any more? He was... 143 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:14,520 In the intelligence world, I guess? 144 00:09:14,595 --> 00:09:16,347 Well, obviously, yes. 145 00:09:17,014 --> 00:09:20,142 I have found government files that corroborate that, actually. 146 00:09:22,562 --> 00:09:26,357 We talked to a number of people that vouched for Nichols 147 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:30,861 as being somebody who had worked with the government before, 148 00:09:31,821 --> 00:09:35,950 that he had contacts and connection with the CIA. 149 00:09:36,534 --> 00:09:38,077 We began to wonder, 150 00:09:38,619 --> 00:09:42,248 is this case some kind of a government operation 151 00:09:42,331 --> 00:09:43,749 that we're not aware of? 152 00:09:46,627 --> 00:09:50,840 The FBI told us that, as far as they knew, 153 00:09:51,674 --> 00:09:52,592 it wasn't. 154 00:09:52,675 --> 00:09:56,679 But they also candidly said if it was, and if the CIA's involved, 155 00:09:57,430 --> 00:09:59,015 they're not gonna tell us either. 156 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:06,397 Back in San Francisco, my partner and I, we spoke to Morasca's girlfriend. 157 00:10:07,857 --> 00:10:09,257 He was afraid for his life. 158 00:10:10,443 --> 00:10:11,861 Something was coming down. 159 00:10:12,570 --> 00:10:14,322 She told us that there was 160 00:10:14,405 --> 00:10:19,243 {\an8}a man by the name of Jason that Paul was very frightened of. 161 00:10:21,245 --> 00:10:26,459 Paul had told her this guy was a, uh, CIA hit man. 162 00:10:28,294 --> 00:10:32,173 He was introduced by either Dr. Nichols or Michael. 163 00:10:35,885 --> 00:10:38,763 As we begin hearing about all of this, 164 00:10:38,846 --> 00:10:40,806 we go back to the FBI. 165 00:10:41,932 --> 00:10:45,394 We tell 'em that we're interested in a guy by the name of Jason. 166 00:10:45,895 --> 00:10:47,313 He said, "Why?" 167 00:10:47,813 --> 00:10:53,903 I said, "Well, we think he's likely a suspect, one of our suspects." 168 00:10:55,279 --> 00:10:56,279 And he said, 169 00:10:56,322 --> 00:10:57,657 "That's our informant, 170 00:10:58,366 --> 00:11:01,744 {\an8}and his real name is Philip Arthur Thompson." 171 00:11:09,585 --> 00:11:13,798 {\an8}He had a very lengthy arrest record. 172 00:11:13,881 --> 00:11:15,174 {\an8}Many violent crimes. 173 00:11:15,257 --> 00:11:17,259 Kidnapping, robbery, 174 00:11:17,343 --> 00:11:19,261 rape, escape, 175 00:11:19,345 --> 00:11:21,514 murder, attempted murder. 176 00:11:21,597 --> 00:11:24,266 No doubt a violent individual. 177 00:11:25,393 --> 00:11:27,478 But served very little time. 178 00:11:31,190 --> 00:11:33,025 That would certainly be indicative of the fact 179 00:11:33,109 --> 00:11:36,112 that he was an informant for the FBI. 180 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:46,664 Can you describe him? You've met him. 181 00:11:46,747 --> 00:11:47,998 - Thompson? - Yeah. 182 00:11:48,082 --> 00:11:51,293 Yeah. I never knew him until he showed up on my doorstep. 183 00:11:52,378 --> 00:11:54,004 He had committed several murders 184 00:11:54,088 --> 00:11:57,383 while he was under the control of his FBI handlers, 185 00:11:57,466 --> 00:11:59,927 and the FBI let him stay out of jail 186 00:12:00,010 --> 00:12:03,973 and authorized, uh, using him against me. 187 00:12:04,765 --> 00:12:06,365 The funny thing about Michael is 188 00:12:06,434 --> 00:12:08,936 you just never knew when he was telling the truth 189 00:12:09,019 --> 00:12:12,732 because some of the stuff was kinda so... outlandish, 190 00:12:12,815 --> 00:12:15,151 you tended to think, "Well, that's just crazy." 191 00:12:15,234 --> 00:12:18,028 And then we would find out he was telling the truth. 192 00:12:19,947 --> 00:12:23,868 In fact, the FBI had introduced Philip Arthur Thompson 193 00:12:23,951 --> 00:12:28,998 into an investigation of Paul Morasca and Michael Riconosciuto. 194 00:12:30,291 --> 00:12:34,503 They told us that these fellas are dealing in millions and millions of dollars 195 00:12:34,587 --> 00:12:37,965 in the manufacture of methamphetamine. 196 00:12:39,216 --> 00:12:42,011 And Michael Riconosciuto was a chemist. 197 00:12:43,971 --> 00:12:46,140 This was a major drug operation 198 00:12:47,391 --> 00:12:50,436 with banks in the Bahamas and Switzerland. 199 00:12:54,565 --> 00:12:58,444 So Thompson was investigating you for drugs? 200 00:12:58,527 --> 00:13:01,572 Well, the FBI sent him with a cockamamie story, 201 00:13:01,655 --> 00:13:07,453 and I immediately called Nichols. I was still trusting the Wackenhut group. 202 00:13:07,536 --> 00:13:10,790 And they checked him out, and they said he was okay. They vetted him. 203 00:13:11,665 --> 00:13:15,252 Mike told you that Philip Thompson came to his house and said, 204 00:13:15,336 --> 00:13:17,171 "The FBI is asking me to look into you." 205 00:13:17,254 --> 00:13:18,254 To set him up. 206 00:13:18,714 --> 00:13:22,468 Everything, you know, seemed strange about this thing, 207 00:13:22,551 --> 00:13:26,889 and then where it really gets crazy, we find out Dr. Nichols recommended 208 00:13:26,972 --> 00:13:29,725 that Michael's father, Marshall Riconosciuto, 209 00:13:29,809 --> 00:13:31,560 hire Philip Arthur Thompson. 210 00:13:31,644 --> 00:13:34,939 He was paying a monthly salary to look after Michael. 211 00:13:35,815 --> 00:13:39,527 You recommended Mr. Thompson to look after Mike? 212 00:13:40,110 --> 00:13:42,112 Mike is not a well person. 213 00:13:42,613 --> 00:13:44,782 Mike has all these imaginary fears, 214 00:13:45,282 --> 00:13:48,285 and I felt he needed to get somebody that he could relate to. 215 00:13:48,786 --> 00:13:49,829 Because, you see, 216 00:13:50,538 --> 00:13:52,873 a sociopath can help a psychopath. 217 00:13:53,624 --> 00:13:55,876 "Sociopath can help a psychopath." 218 00:13:56,961 --> 00:13:58,629 Yeah. 219 00:13:59,171 --> 00:14:02,675 The FBI seems to have a good relationship with Phil. 220 00:14:04,218 --> 00:14:06,720 Uh, Philip Thompson bragged to me 221 00:14:06,804 --> 00:14:08,514 that what he did to Paul 222 00:14:08,597 --> 00:14:13,269 was one of the most horrible things that he'd ever done in his life, 223 00:14:13,352 --> 00:14:14,895 the way he killed Paul. 224 00:14:17,022 --> 00:14:20,734 I believe John Philip Nichols directed him to do it. 225 00:14:21,819 --> 00:14:25,906 As best we could, we're trying to concentrate on the murder of Paul Morasca, 226 00:14:25,990 --> 00:14:31,078 but we keep being led down these trails involving other issues and other crimes. 227 00:14:34,456 --> 00:14:37,293 Um, so what was it that Danny was looking into? 228 00:14:37,376 --> 00:14:41,046 - He was looking into so many things... - Well, I've got it all figured out. 229 00:14:41,130 --> 00:14:42,840 I've got a matrix link analysis, 230 00:14:42,923 --> 00:14:46,510 and it's impossible to sit here and talk about it piecemeal. 231 00:14:46,594 --> 00:14:47,612 - Okay. - Okay? 232 00:14:47,636 --> 00:14:50,055 - It would take days to go through it. - Okay. 233 00:14:50,139 --> 00:14:52,558 I think I've made enough of a showing to you 234 00:14:52,641 --> 00:14:55,352 that I've got enough objective evidence here, 235 00:14:55,436 --> 00:14:58,898 and it just takes a lot of time to go through it. 236 00:15:00,941 --> 00:15:03,193 We have the drug operation, 237 00:15:03,694 --> 00:15:05,529 the Wackenhut Corporation. 238 00:15:06,530 --> 00:15:09,950 We have organized crime figures involved with the casino. 239 00:15:10,451 --> 00:15:13,662 We have murders of Alvarez and two of his friends. 240 00:15:14,288 --> 00:15:16,498 And we have an FBI informant. 241 00:15:18,500 --> 00:15:19,960 To get to the bottom of that, 242 00:15:20,544 --> 00:15:24,798 it's beyond what a couple of local detectives can do. 243 00:15:25,299 --> 00:15:26,884 If the federal government says, 244 00:15:27,843 --> 00:15:29,603 "We don't know what you're talking about..." 245 00:15:32,806 --> 00:15:36,477 this case remains, uh, unsolved. 246 00:15:40,314 --> 00:15:44,985 These are the people that are putting pressure on me, 247 00:15:45,069 --> 00:15:47,404 and nobody wants to listen to my story. 248 00:15:48,697 --> 00:15:51,116 They want me to put myself in harm's way. 249 00:15:52,993 --> 00:15:56,455 So I have to choose between putting myself in harm's way, 250 00:15:56,538 --> 00:15:58,666 or going back to prison. 251 00:16:05,381 --> 00:16:07,883 - There it is. - Where are we meeting George at? 252 00:16:07,967 --> 00:16:09,593 Place called Duke's. 253 00:16:18,602 --> 00:16:19,602 Okay. 254 00:16:20,437 --> 00:16:22,356 We arrived at our destination 255 00:16:22,856 --> 00:16:25,359 to meet Michael's lawyer, George Granby. 256 00:16:26,944 --> 00:16:27,945 George? 257 00:16:45,379 --> 00:16:47,756 Michael told us he'd rather go back to prison 258 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:51,802 than return to Washington state for his parole hearing 259 00:16:52,302 --> 00:16:55,055 without protection from the people he had once worked with. 260 00:16:58,142 --> 00:17:00,060 'Cause I'm fighting for my life. 261 00:17:00,144 --> 00:17:04,815 What happens in front of the judge in the next 48 hours is what matters. 262 00:17:07,151 --> 00:17:09,486 - All right. - All right, Michael. 263 00:17:09,570 --> 00:17:11,030 Let me come back to you. 264 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:17,286 Michael left us 265 00:17:17,369 --> 00:17:20,205 to discuss his next moves in private with George Granby. 266 00:17:29,965 --> 00:17:34,053 Christian seemed overwhelmed by the answers he extracted from Michael. 267 00:17:37,848 --> 00:17:39,558 What's your takeaway? 268 00:17:40,392 --> 00:17:42,144 - From today? - Yeah. 269 00:17:43,687 --> 00:17:47,566 {\an8}About Michael's life? I think that that guy has a lot of problems. 270 00:17:47,649 --> 00:17:51,737 And many of them are imposed on him from the outside, 271 00:17:51,820 --> 00:17:54,114 and I think some of them are self-created. 272 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:57,743 And it's really hard to parse what is what. 273 00:17:58,952 --> 00:18:00,245 I feel bad for him. 274 00:18:29,733 --> 00:18:31,443 As time went on, 275 00:18:31,944 --> 00:18:33,862 information was harder to come by. 276 00:18:35,656 --> 00:18:38,408 But years later, I got a phone call 277 00:18:38,492 --> 00:18:41,745 from a man by the name of Danny Casolaro. 278 00:18:43,247 --> 00:18:46,750 He had come up with quite a bit of information on his own. 279 00:19:06,770 --> 00:19:09,606 If you look at the outline for Danny's book, 280 00:19:09,690 --> 00:19:12,818 it starts with the death of Paul Morasca. 281 00:19:13,652 --> 00:19:16,363 {\an8}And Danny refers to his murder as "the link." 282 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:20,659 {\an8}But, like, the link between what? 283 00:19:23,954 --> 00:19:28,625 When Michael told me, in the car, after we picked him up from prison, 284 00:19:28,709 --> 00:19:33,672 that there were dozens of murders up and down the coast of California 285 00:19:33,755 --> 00:19:36,383 that Philip Arthur Thompson had committed, 286 00:19:36,466 --> 00:19:41,013 it sounded like total lunatic raving. 287 00:19:41,096 --> 00:19:45,893 But... I went through old newspapers and investigative files 288 00:19:45,976 --> 00:19:48,437 from the decade before Paul's death, 289 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:51,356 and I found a string of murders and violent crimes 290 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:55,444 where Philip Arthur Thompson was the lead suspect in each one. 291 00:19:57,154 --> 00:20:01,241 {\an8}Thompson doesn't ever do any real time for the crimes that he commits, 292 00:20:01,325 --> 00:20:04,244 and the FBI's helping him stay free. 293 00:20:05,913 --> 00:20:09,333 What is he providing the federal government 294 00:20:09,416 --> 00:20:11,543 that's of such value 295 00:20:11,627 --> 00:20:15,881 that he is allowed to walk the streets 296 00:20:16,381 --> 00:20:20,510 raping, robbing, and killing people? 297 00:20:21,553 --> 00:20:23,698 Mr. Thompson, we wish to ask you some questions 298 00:20:23,722 --> 00:20:25,766 regarding the death of a Paul Morasca. 299 00:20:26,850 --> 00:20:30,479 Do you know Dr. John Nichols, who resides in Indio, California? 300 00:20:30,562 --> 00:20:31,562 I've met him. 301 00:20:32,272 --> 00:20:34,316 And what is your relationship with him? 302 00:20:35,234 --> 00:20:36,234 Uh... 303 00:20:36,985 --> 00:20:38,487 You'd have to ask him that. 304 00:20:38,570 --> 00:20:40,280 How long have you known Nichols? 305 00:20:40,364 --> 00:20:42,044 I won't comment on that either. 306 00:20:53,377 --> 00:20:55,417 The thing that nobody's putting together 307 00:20:55,462 --> 00:20:58,215 is that John Philip Nichols' casino is bankrupt. 308 00:21:00,676 --> 00:21:04,096 They filed for bankruptcy in December of 1981, 309 00:21:04,179 --> 00:21:06,431 one month before Paul was murdered. 310 00:21:06,515 --> 00:21:08,225 {\an8}And John Nichols knew 311 00:21:08,308 --> 00:21:11,603 {\an8}Paul had all these drugs and all this money. 312 00:21:13,146 --> 00:21:13,981 {\an8}That same month, 313 00:21:14,064 --> 00:21:19,611 there's a meeting at Vanessi's restaurant, which is right here on the corner. 314 00:21:20,112 --> 00:21:24,741 He invited me to an Italian restaurant on, uh, Broadway. 315 00:21:24,825 --> 00:21:26,905 - Vanessi's. - Yes, that's correct. 316 00:21:26,952 --> 00:21:29,663 And all of the key players in Paul's murder 317 00:21:29,746 --> 00:21:32,082 are in attendance at this meeting. 318 00:21:32,165 --> 00:21:35,294 It's Michael's father, his name's Marshall Riconosciuto, 319 00:21:35,377 --> 00:21:39,464 John Philip Nichols, and Philip Arthur Thompson, 320 00:21:40,132 --> 00:21:44,136 all people that seem to have connections to the intelligence world. 321 00:21:44,678 --> 00:21:49,808 And when I learned about this meeting, I recognized Vanessi's. 322 00:21:49,891 --> 00:21:52,352 Like, "Wait, they all met at Vanessi's?" 323 00:21:52,436 --> 00:21:55,939 And I realized, "Oh shit, you can see Paul's house from Vanessi's, 324 00:21:56,023 --> 00:21:57,566 and he wasn't at the meeting." 325 00:22:00,777 --> 00:22:03,530 I think they were just like, "That's the apartment. Go up..." 326 00:22:03,613 --> 00:22:04,781 "Go up there and get him." 327 00:22:06,616 --> 00:22:09,828 And as he was slowly dying, 328 00:22:09,911 --> 00:22:11,997 I'm sure he was promised that, you know, 329 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,416 "We'll untie you. Just tell us where the... 330 00:22:14,916 --> 00:22:16,585 where the chemicals are." 331 00:22:16,668 --> 00:22:18,879 "Tell us what the bank codes are." 332 00:22:19,463 --> 00:22:23,884 He was tortured when he was murdered, and then all of his shit disappeared. 333 00:22:25,844 --> 00:22:30,015 His Swiss bank accounts were drained. His drugs disappeared. 334 00:22:31,433 --> 00:22:32,976 I mean, that's the motive. 335 00:22:34,561 --> 00:22:35,979 That's the link. 336 00:22:37,606 --> 00:22:41,068 Covert operations funded by Paul's drug money. 337 00:22:42,444 --> 00:22:45,197 That's the connection Danny was trying to make. 338 00:22:46,114 --> 00:22:49,409 Where does that leave you with Michael? Sort of... 339 00:22:49,493 --> 00:22:53,663 Yeah, I mean, it brings me back to a lot of conversations I had with Michael 340 00:22:53,747 --> 00:22:57,626 that I thought were totally insane, 341 00:22:57,709 --> 00:23:00,962 but they were actually pretty lucid, you know, um, 342 00:23:01,046 --> 00:23:02,756 and he was telling me the truth. 343 00:23:05,801 --> 00:23:08,929 I mean, some of the stuff, though, it's... 344 00:23:09,012 --> 00:23:14,559 I do know that he does tell untrue stories 345 00:23:14,643 --> 00:23:16,686 in a way that he seems to believe them. 346 00:23:16,770 --> 00:23:19,064 They're just stories that don't make sense. 347 00:23:19,147 --> 00:23:22,859 Like him saying he's never been involved with drugs. 348 00:23:25,737 --> 00:23:30,909 So it's like, do you just ignore everything he says because he's a liar, 349 00:23:30,992 --> 00:23:32,828 or do you try to dig in deeper 350 00:23:32,911 --> 00:23:36,081 and try to figure out what's real and what's not? 351 00:23:41,002 --> 00:23:42,712 It never ends! 352 00:23:43,630 --> 00:23:45,882 It never ends. It's... 353 00:23:48,718 --> 00:23:51,930 You know, you set out to try to finish this story, 354 00:23:52,013 --> 00:23:54,724 and it just never fucking ends. 355 00:24:13,452 --> 00:24:15,662 There's a picture of Philip Arthur Thompson. 356 00:24:16,204 --> 00:24:18,081 - Yeah, I've seen it. - Yeah. 357 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,752 Jason. All right. That's interesting. Forgot about that one. 358 00:24:23,253 --> 00:24:25,964 When you start talking to Michael Riconosciuto, 359 00:24:26,047 --> 00:24:29,009 he spins this web of intrigue, 360 00:24:29,092 --> 00:24:31,845 {\an8}and it becomes a mystery, then it becomes a puzzle. 361 00:24:31,928 --> 00:24:35,974 {\an8}And ultimately, before you even understand it, it becomes a game. 362 00:24:40,187 --> 00:24:43,482 I was a reporter in a small town in California. 363 00:24:45,942 --> 00:24:48,028 This is me in Mariposa. 364 00:24:48,528 --> 00:24:50,572 I had been investigating 365 00:24:51,072 --> 00:24:55,994 why drugs were so prevalent in central California. 366 00:24:58,497 --> 00:25:03,418 In my mind, what I was chasing after, and I told this to Michael Riconosciuto, 367 00:25:03,502 --> 00:25:08,006 was government-sanctioned drug operations. 368 00:25:08,673 --> 00:25:10,634 That's basically who I was 369 00:25:10,717 --> 00:25:12,594 when I was speaking to 370 00:25:12,677 --> 00:25:16,097 and taking information from Riconosciuto on the phone. 371 00:25:16,181 --> 00:25:17,015 Right. 372 00:25:17,098 --> 00:25:19,226 Not who I am today. 373 00:25:19,309 --> 00:25:20,310 And one day, 374 00:25:20,393 --> 00:25:23,939 I started reading about Danny Casolaro, 375 00:25:24,022 --> 00:25:26,983 right after his death in 1991. 376 00:25:28,652 --> 00:25:33,031 I'd found out we were running parallel in our investigations. 377 00:25:33,615 --> 00:25:38,245 Danny delved deeper into areas that I chose not to, 378 00:25:38,328 --> 00:25:41,248 because I was mostly interested in the drug aspect, 379 00:25:41,331 --> 00:25:45,210 but no matter what direction he went in, Danny hit drugs again, 380 00:25:45,919 --> 00:25:49,381 because the intelligence operations were basically involved with drugs. 381 00:25:51,716 --> 00:25:54,886 And so I jumped on to Danny's trail. 382 00:25:56,096 --> 00:25:59,140 And then, on December 1st, 1991, 383 00:25:59,224 --> 00:26:02,769 Michael Riconosciuto contacted me at 7:30 in the morning. 384 00:26:03,687 --> 00:26:07,649 And I was introduced to my first contact with the Octopus. 385 00:26:08,900 --> 00:26:10,277 Hello? Cheri? 386 00:26:10,360 --> 00:26:12,612 Yeah. You authorize me to tape it? 387 00:26:12,696 --> 00:26:13,905 That's correct. 388 00:26:14,406 --> 00:26:16,950 I asked him why he called me. 389 00:26:17,033 --> 00:26:20,495 And he said because the media and the government 390 00:26:20,579 --> 00:26:24,332 were making him out to be nothing more than a drug dealer. 391 00:26:24,833 --> 00:26:29,963 He said, in fact, he had been involved in many government operations, 392 00:26:30,046 --> 00:26:32,299 and he wanted people to know about it. 393 00:26:34,509 --> 00:26:38,346 The thing is, the government's on the hook for the death of Paul Morasca. 394 00:26:38,430 --> 00:26:41,391 And the whole operation got out of hand. 395 00:26:41,474 --> 00:26:42,474 Yes? 396 00:26:42,517 --> 00:26:44,019 That's all there is to it. 397 00:26:45,061 --> 00:26:47,439 He said, after Paul Morasca's death, 398 00:26:47,939 --> 00:26:50,692 he left Cabazon in a hurry. 399 00:26:51,192 --> 00:26:54,112 He felt threatened. He felt that he was gonna be the next one to go. 400 00:26:55,614 --> 00:27:00,493 I left the orbit of Wackenhut and John Philip Nichols. 401 00:27:00,577 --> 00:27:05,624 And it just turned into a Kafkaesque nightmare 402 00:27:05,707 --> 00:27:07,167 from that point on. 403 00:27:08,251 --> 00:27:11,004 And that's when he went with Robert Booth Nichols. 404 00:27:13,173 --> 00:27:16,843 And, uh, my life hasn't been the same since. 405 00:27:18,178 --> 00:27:20,406 There's two Nicholses here, I've gotta clarify. 406 00:27:20,430 --> 00:27:22,349 There's John P. Nichols, 407 00:27:22,849 --> 00:27:25,310 and there was Robert Booth Nichols, 408 00:27:25,810 --> 00:27:27,646 and they're not related. 409 00:27:28,772 --> 00:27:31,650 Riconosciuto said that Robert Booth Nichols 410 00:27:31,733 --> 00:27:34,194 was the key to Danny's Octopus. 411 00:27:34,903 --> 00:27:38,823 The Indian Reservation was small potatoes, okay? 412 00:27:38,907 --> 00:27:42,243 But he said repeatedly, over and over told Danny, 413 00:27:42,327 --> 00:27:44,829 "Do not talk to Robert Booth Nichols." 414 00:27:45,830 --> 00:27:49,793 I was around Bob for years, and I know how the man operates. 415 00:27:51,002 --> 00:27:53,546 The guy is absolutely scary. 416 00:27:57,384 --> 00:27:59,552 My name is Robert Nichols. 417 00:28:01,346 --> 00:28:02,806 Have you heard that name? 418 00:28:04,808 --> 00:28:09,062 Evidently, Michael wouldn't want you speaking with me. 419 00:28:10,313 --> 00:28:15,652 Once you jump on the board with Riconosciuto and Robert Booth Nichols, 420 00:28:15,735 --> 00:28:19,030 they definitely, pardon the expression, "screw with your mind." 421 00:28:19,114 --> 00:28:20,699 They certainly did with me, 422 00:28:20,782 --> 00:28:23,868 and I have no doubt that they did this with Danny. 423 00:28:24,494 --> 00:28:26,830 That's part of the game. 424 00:28:28,289 --> 00:28:30,041 You can't be shy. 425 00:28:30,125 --> 00:28:33,086 You have to ask questions, or how do you know? 426 00:28:34,003 --> 00:28:37,298 One of his operations was out at Cabazon, 427 00:28:37,382 --> 00:28:40,677 retrofitting and developing arms for the Contras. 428 00:28:41,302 --> 00:28:45,098 That's where Michael Riconosciuto became involved with him. 429 00:28:47,183 --> 00:28:52,147 But he was also doing all sorts of other operations all over the world. 430 00:28:53,022 --> 00:28:56,192 It's amazing what the government will do if you're of value to them. 431 00:28:56,276 --> 00:28:58,236 I mean, look the other way, right? 432 00:29:01,781 --> 00:29:02,824 Raise your hand. 433 00:29:02,907 --> 00:29:04,969 Do you swear the testimony you're about to give today 434 00:29:04,993 --> 00:29:08,204 will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth so help you God? 435 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:10,623 - Speak. - Yes. 436 00:29:13,209 --> 00:29:18,298 {\an8}Mr. Nichols, since you were 22 or 23 years old to the present date, 437 00:29:18,381 --> 00:29:22,343 {\an8}your primary way of making money was to be employed by people 438 00:29:22,427 --> 00:29:25,305 {\an8}who claim to be associated with government intelligence? 439 00:29:25,388 --> 00:29:26,598 {\an8}That's correct. 440 00:29:27,682 --> 00:29:30,643 I was told that this, what is taking place today, 441 00:29:30,727 --> 00:29:32,353 would not happen to me. 442 00:29:33,396 --> 00:29:36,191 I do what I'm told to do. I'm a facilitator. 443 00:29:36,775 --> 00:29:39,611 It is a very sensitive matter. 444 00:29:40,153 --> 00:29:43,490 Very sensitive to this country. 445 00:29:44,199 --> 00:29:48,161 And under no circumstance can this reach the public. 446 00:29:48,244 --> 00:29:54,083 And you will never, ever be bothered by your government ever. 447 00:29:57,462 --> 00:29:58,546 Period. 448 00:30:03,843 --> 00:30:06,596 {\an8}And what did you do while working for these people? 449 00:30:08,264 --> 00:30:10,850 {\an8}Achieved objectives that they set out for me. 450 00:30:18,024 --> 00:30:24,030 Danny recognized he was talking to... a dangerous person. 451 00:30:24,989 --> 00:30:28,326 See, I have to be extremely careful 452 00:30:29,452 --> 00:30:32,747 because I am involved... You know, when I say "involved," 453 00:30:32,831 --> 00:30:36,918 I have knowledge of the darker areas of US intelligence. 454 00:30:37,418 --> 00:30:39,546 But he felt that it was worth it 455 00:30:39,629 --> 00:30:42,090 {\an8}for this unfolding story. 456 00:30:43,508 --> 00:30:45,760 I had heard from numerous sources 457 00:30:45,844 --> 00:30:49,848 that he's worked for all these various agencies. 458 00:30:50,849 --> 00:30:53,560 He was telling everybody he worked for the DOJ. 459 00:30:53,643 --> 00:30:57,605 All his friends said he worked for the NSA, NSC. 460 00:30:58,106 --> 00:31:00,567 There are many reasons for doing things that, uh, 461 00:31:01,484 --> 00:31:02,861 are usually very veiled. 462 00:31:03,820 --> 00:31:06,906 He was a part of a cutout corporation, 463 00:31:06,990 --> 00:31:11,452 a front corporation created for the National Security Council 464 00:31:11,536 --> 00:31:13,580 to work in Lebanon. 465 00:31:14,581 --> 00:31:18,418 And there are documents from the White House about it. 466 00:31:25,174 --> 00:31:28,970 Documents showing all these important, high-ranking people 467 00:31:29,053 --> 00:31:31,014 that are on this board of directors. 468 00:31:31,097 --> 00:31:34,684 They are directly connected to each other and the intelligence world 469 00:31:34,767 --> 00:31:36,728 and to Robert Booth Nichols. 470 00:31:37,437 --> 00:31:42,150 I was, you know, involved in certain project financing and funding. 471 00:31:42,233 --> 00:31:46,279 Robert Booth Nichols told Danny he was going to show him 472 00:31:46,362 --> 00:31:49,115 all of the operations that he had been involved in. 473 00:31:49,198 --> 00:31:52,243 Basically, show him the larger picture. 474 00:31:53,912 --> 00:31:57,582 See, things were described to me as being in the national interest, 475 00:31:57,665 --> 00:32:00,126 and somewhere, something went wrong. 476 00:32:02,045 --> 00:32:04,672 And, you know, what is the national interest? 477 00:32:04,756 --> 00:32:07,342 I mean, it's whatever interest they want it to be. 478 00:32:12,055 --> 00:32:17,560 I remember that Danny thought he was central to the story he was working on, 479 00:32:17,644 --> 00:32:19,938 so they decided to meet. 480 00:32:22,190 --> 00:32:25,276 "Robert Booth Nichols arrived in Washington, D.C. 481 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,403 on a three-day stopover." 482 00:32:30,323 --> 00:32:32,241 "I picked him up at the airport, 483 00:32:32,325 --> 00:32:35,620 and we drove to the Four Seasons hotel, where he stayed." 484 00:32:37,956 --> 00:32:38,998 "That evening, 485 00:32:39,082 --> 00:32:41,542 we went out to dinner and then drinks, 486 00:32:42,377 --> 00:32:45,213 as we would each night for the rest of his stay." 487 00:32:48,299 --> 00:32:50,343 "Though he was never outwardly drunk, 488 00:32:50,426 --> 00:32:53,054 he became talkative as the night progressed." 489 00:32:53,930 --> 00:32:57,433 {\an8}Wackenhut are the backwaters of US intelligence. 490 00:32:58,017 --> 00:32:59,644 You usually see 491 00:32:59,727 --> 00:33:03,731 anyone in the intelligence community that's high up laced in there somewhere. 492 00:33:06,150 --> 00:33:08,403 "He instructed me not to take notes, 493 00:33:08,903 --> 00:33:13,324 but I collected names and operations on cocktail napkins 494 00:33:13,408 --> 00:33:15,660 that I would stuff into my jacket pockets." 495 00:33:15,743 --> 00:33:18,913 You know, the activities that I've been involved with, 496 00:33:18,997 --> 00:33:20,415 I can tell you very clearly, 497 00:33:20,498 --> 00:33:26,421 an effort for many years was made to benefit a lot of important people. 498 00:33:31,259 --> 00:33:33,928 "'The cloak-and-dagger arrangement at Cabazon 499 00:33:34,012 --> 00:33:37,265 between the criminal world and the intelligence world 500 00:33:37,348 --> 00:33:40,351 was not an isolated venture, ' Nichols said." 501 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:47,191 "It was simply my first glimpse of a hidden network of operations 502 00:33:47,275 --> 00:33:48,735 that spans the globe, 503 00:33:49,235 --> 00:33:51,029 enlisting banks..." 504 00:33:51,112 --> 00:33:54,240 You know, this is like BCCI. 505 00:33:54,323 --> 00:33:58,411 The bank that is now under the biggest criminal investigation in banking history. 506 00:33:58,494 --> 00:34:02,206 BCCI stands accused of dirty dealing around the world. 507 00:34:02,290 --> 00:34:06,294 Allegedly involved in illegal arms deals, drug-running, kidnapping, 508 00:34:06,377 --> 00:34:08,129 {\an8}and bribery of US officials. 509 00:34:08,212 --> 00:34:11,716 {\an8}In fact, BCCI had CIA money. 510 00:34:12,216 --> 00:34:14,010 The Nugan Hand thing. 511 00:34:14,093 --> 00:34:16,554 A bank in Australia known as Nugan Hand. 512 00:34:16,637 --> 00:34:20,516 Illegal currency transactions, big-time drug operations, 513 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,186 and the Central Intelligence Agency. 514 00:34:23,269 --> 00:34:24,979 Money laundering. 515 00:34:25,063 --> 00:34:28,649 {\an8}The Savings and Loans scandal could cost half a trillion dollars. 516 00:34:28,733 --> 00:34:31,778 The CIA may have used the proceeds 517 00:34:31,861 --> 00:34:36,532 to help pay for covert operations that Congress was unwilling to support. 518 00:34:37,033 --> 00:34:38,242 "Gunrunners..." 519 00:34:38,326 --> 00:34:39,994 The sale of arms to Iran 520 00:34:40,078 --> 00:34:42,038 and the diversion of profits to the Contras, 521 00:34:42,121 --> 00:34:44,916 it's hard to believe that it stayed a secret as long as it did. 522 00:34:45,500 --> 00:34:46,620 "Former spies..." 523 00:34:46,667 --> 00:34:49,045 {\an8}Edwin Wilson, the former CIA agent. 524 00:34:49,128 --> 00:34:52,423 {\an8}Under federal indictment for selling weapons and explosives to Libya. 525 00:34:52,507 --> 00:34:55,259 There have also been charges that Wilson recruited Americans 526 00:34:55,343 --> 00:34:57,386 to go to Libya and train terrorists. 527 00:34:58,513 --> 00:35:00,473 Those are just a few things. 528 00:35:00,556 --> 00:35:04,602 But, uh, all these stories are related. 529 00:35:05,436 --> 00:35:08,231 "'These scandals that bubbled to the surface, 530 00:35:08,314 --> 00:35:11,359 they're all connected through a rogue intelligence network 531 00:35:11,442 --> 00:35:13,986 that goes back decades, ' Nichols said." 532 00:35:14,070 --> 00:35:18,658 I'm speaking about people that are in the intelligence areas 533 00:35:18,741 --> 00:35:21,077 internationally, across the board, 534 00:35:21,828 --> 00:35:23,663 not just the CIA. 535 00:35:27,875 --> 00:35:31,796 For Danny, this expands, and expands, and expands. 536 00:35:33,881 --> 00:35:39,428 And it branches into so many different aspects and tentacles. 537 00:35:39,512 --> 00:35:41,472 And now the story has become 538 00:35:41,556 --> 00:35:44,308 something completely different than what it was originally. 539 00:35:46,018 --> 00:35:52,108 Now Danny was pursuing these claims of international spy networks 540 00:35:53,151 --> 00:35:55,236 going back decades. 541 00:35:55,319 --> 00:35:58,072 Pender I knew very well from Beirut. 542 00:35:58,156 --> 00:36:00,741 Danny started focusing on the good ol' boys 543 00:36:00,825 --> 00:36:03,244 before the CIA was created, 544 00:36:03,327 --> 00:36:04,954 and he was gonna bring it forward. 545 00:36:08,332 --> 00:36:10,877 He wanted to know who is involved. 546 00:36:11,961 --> 00:36:14,005 I'd stay away from that. 547 00:36:15,590 --> 00:36:19,218 "'You are not to see the lies we tell, ' said Nichols." 548 00:36:20,052 --> 00:36:21,812 That's something I wouldn't wanna... 549 00:36:22,430 --> 00:36:25,016 wouldn't wanna... say. 550 00:36:28,686 --> 00:36:31,606 "At the end of the three days, Nichols said, 551 00:36:31,689 --> 00:36:33,357 'I wish you weren't a writer.'" 552 00:36:33,858 --> 00:36:34,984 "'You know too much, 553 00:36:35,067 --> 00:36:37,153 and now you're gonna have to die.'" 554 00:36:39,155 --> 00:36:42,658 "Was this a sinister joke or a friendly warning?" 555 00:36:43,743 --> 00:36:45,494 "I couldn't tell the difference." 556 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,125 When Danny told me about the threats, 557 00:36:51,626 --> 00:36:54,462 it was hard to tell how to interpret that. 558 00:36:55,796 --> 00:36:59,467 I just know that he tried to keep Danny on edge, 559 00:37:00,218 --> 00:37:03,387 but I don't know what was driving that. 560 00:37:08,267 --> 00:37:12,563 February 13th, 1992. 561 00:37:14,607 --> 00:37:16,859 I met with Robert Booth Nichols. 562 00:37:17,735 --> 00:37:22,365 I ultimately got this appointment through a friend of his. 563 00:37:24,784 --> 00:37:26,744 This friend warned me. He said, 564 00:37:26,827 --> 00:37:29,497 "When you get into Nichols' apartment, 565 00:37:30,206 --> 00:37:34,627 they're gonna sit you on a couch next to a lion, 566 00:37:34,710 --> 00:37:35,920 a stuffed lion, 567 00:37:36,420 --> 00:37:40,299 and the lion has a bug inside of it, a listening device, 568 00:37:41,300 --> 00:37:42,677 and they're gonna be taping you." 569 00:37:51,727 --> 00:37:56,357 When I walked in the door, Ellen Nichols was there, his wife. 570 00:38:05,866 --> 00:38:08,077 You know, court needed... 571 00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,663 Both sides are involved in projects... 572 00:38:11,580 --> 00:38:15,334 There was anaconda snake skins on the wall, 573 00:38:15,418 --> 00:38:19,463 pictures of him with Saudi Arabians and high-ranking officials, 574 00:38:19,547 --> 00:38:20,965 government officials. 575 00:38:21,757 --> 00:38:24,677 I got the feeling it was a safe house, to tell you the truth. 576 00:38:25,469 --> 00:38:29,932 And then he sat me right down on the couch next to a lion. A big stuffed lion. 577 00:38:37,106 --> 00:38:41,861 Nichols was very controlled but very dramatic. 578 00:38:42,570 --> 00:38:47,033 And he would be very assertive in his way of letting you know, 579 00:38:47,116 --> 00:38:49,201 "Don't ask me that question again." 580 00:38:58,544 --> 00:39:00,796 I asked him about Danny Casolaro. 581 00:39:01,839 --> 00:39:03,549 He believed Danny was murdered. 582 00:39:03,632 --> 00:39:05,760 He did not believe that he committed suicide. 583 00:39:06,260 --> 00:39:10,639 He said that Danny was very excited about going overseas. 584 00:39:11,432 --> 00:39:16,395 I pursued questions about why he died, how he died, and Nichols said, 585 00:39:16,479 --> 00:39:21,692 "No journalist has done enough work to deserve to know that answer." 586 00:39:23,569 --> 00:39:26,280 And then he invited me to go overseas 587 00:39:26,364 --> 00:39:28,532 and do exactly what he invited Danny to do, 588 00:39:29,116 --> 00:39:31,118 and I would get my answers. 589 00:39:31,702 --> 00:39:33,621 And I said, "I'll think about it." 590 00:39:36,457 --> 00:39:38,709 Oh, the Zapruder Tape. 591 00:39:41,462 --> 00:39:44,548 He stands up, and he starts playing this tape. 592 00:39:45,508 --> 00:39:48,844 It was the Zapruder Tape of the Kennedy assassination, 593 00:39:49,345 --> 00:39:51,180 but then he slowed it way down. 594 00:39:52,056 --> 00:39:59,056 And it was so slow that you could almost see the air moving. 595 00:40:00,731 --> 00:40:06,237 Then you saw the driver take a gun and go like this 596 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:07,863 and shoot Kennedy. 597 00:40:08,572 --> 00:40:11,617 And the bullet comes out of the gun this slow. 598 00:40:11,700 --> 00:40:13,369 Very, very, very slow. 599 00:40:13,994 --> 00:40:16,122 And it hits Kennedy in the head, 600 00:40:16,205 --> 00:40:19,083 and you see everything flying out of his head. 601 00:40:21,419 --> 00:40:22,628 And I'm thinking, 602 00:40:22,711 --> 00:40:24,755 "This isn't the tape I ever saw before." 603 00:40:25,881 --> 00:40:29,218 So I said, "Is this a doctored tape? What's this about?" 604 00:40:29,718 --> 00:40:31,846 And he said, "This is the original one." 605 00:40:32,847 --> 00:40:35,933 And I said, "Uh, no," you know? 606 00:40:36,016 --> 00:40:39,728 He says, "I'm gonna show you the one that you've seen on the media." 607 00:40:40,396 --> 00:40:43,774 The next tape is your typical one where the driver just keeps driving. 608 00:40:43,858 --> 00:40:45,818 He never even flinches with the gun. 609 00:40:46,610 --> 00:40:48,195 And he stops the tape. 610 00:40:49,780 --> 00:40:51,449 And he says, "Look at the tree." 611 00:40:53,159 --> 00:40:56,120 And there's the top of a tree growing in air. 612 00:40:57,204 --> 00:41:00,332 And he says, "This is the one that you're seeing on the media, 613 00:41:00,416 --> 00:41:02,001 and it's been doctored." 614 00:41:02,668 --> 00:41:05,838 He looked very, very intently at me, and he said, 615 00:41:05,921 --> 00:41:08,299 "Nothing is as it appears to be." 616 00:41:13,596 --> 00:41:17,475 That tape was the last thing he did before I left. 617 00:41:18,058 --> 00:41:20,060 It occurred to me that that was shown 618 00:41:20,144 --> 00:41:25,232 so that it would provide deniability for Robert Booth Nichols. 619 00:41:27,359 --> 00:41:29,236 He had to have doctored that, 620 00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,239 to have put half a tree in that film, 621 00:41:33,115 --> 00:41:36,702 so that, you know, my ability to see the truth 622 00:41:37,244 --> 00:41:38,954 or to report the facts 623 00:41:39,538 --> 00:41:42,833 kind of goes out the window when you start describing that film. 624 00:41:42,917 --> 00:41:44,877 Especially if you say you believed it. 625 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:48,506 I can tell you right now, I saw it. There's no question what I saw. 626 00:41:49,173 --> 00:41:53,719 But, like he said, "Nothing is as it appears to be." 627 00:41:54,720 --> 00:41:57,223 In this world, their world. 628 00:42:08,776 --> 00:42:10,861 - Did he get in? - On your right. 629 00:42:11,946 --> 00:42:13,364 Mary Ellen, you have... 630 00:42:15,533 --> 00:42:19,662 I remember Danny seemed tired, and he just said, "I'm working a lot." 631 00:42:21,455 --> 00:42:23,958 Which is true. I know that was accurate. 632 00:42:28,337 --> 00:42:30,297 Danny's life used to be filled with fun, 633 00:42:30,381 --> 00:42:33,551 {\an8}and laughter, and drinks, and wine, and food. 634 00:42:36,554 --> 00:42:37,554 And then 635 00:42:38,055 --> 00:42:40,057 that life took a turn. 636 00:42:41,559 --> 00:42:45,104 It was filled with... this story, 637 00:42:45,604 --> 00:42:47,565 which changed him totally. 638 00:42:49,191 --> 00:42:51,151 He was making calls late at night 639 00:42:51,235 --> 00:42:55,239 to various people he thought might be related. 640 00:42:55,322 --> 00:42:58,200 Having been trained to fight communism, 641 00:42:58,284 --> 00:43:02,788 I saw an opportunity to get aboard the secret agenda. 642 00:43:04,081 --> 00:43:08,460 He talked on the phone with these creeps just about every night. 643 00:43:08,961 --> 00:43:10,796 It's almost like they were a network. 644 00:43:11,297 --> 00:43:13,549 Little bit of background, if I may. 645 00:43:14,049 --> 00:43:16,135 I do not exist. 646 00:43:17,970 --> 00:43:21,348 There were hundreds of calls. 647 00:43:21,432 --> 00:43:24,101 Five years from now, when Danny's with somebody else... 648 00:43:25,603 --> 00:43:28,355 I remember one remark at a dinner party. 649 00:43:29,189 --> 00:43:33,068 He was talking about the story, and we changed the subject. 650 00:43:35,237 --> 00:43:39,074 People just didn't wanna hear it anymore. That's the only thing Danny talked about. 651 00:43:41,410 --> 00:43:43,704 And he just lashed out, like, 652 00:43:43,787 --> 00:43:47,082 "You guys don't know." "People don't know what I know." 653 00:43:50,628 --> 00:43:53,672 That is how conspiracy people talk to you. 654 00:43:53,756 --> 00:43:57,676 Like, "You really don't understand what's going on, 655 00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,596 and I feel, you know, really bad for you." 656 00:44:01,430 --> 00:44:02,973 Which was not like him. 657 00:44:05,184 --> 00:44:09,938 He left... this wonderful life that he had, 658 00:44:10,439 --> 00:44:13,359 and he went with them. 659 00:44:15,527 --> 00:44:19,323 I knew that he was consumed with pursuing this story. 660 00:44:20,240 --> 00:44:22,493 And, you know, 661 00:44:23,369 --> 00:44:27,956 if I just said to you, "Here are the things that related," I'm more of a... 662 00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:29,958 I'm kinda like, "Uh, really?" 663 00:44:30,042 --> 00:44:32,461 But when he walked me through them, I was like, 664 00:44:32,544 --> 00:44:35,756 "Actually, that doesn't sound so unreasonable." 665 00:44:50,396 --> 00:44:53,982 "What you're about to read is as unbelievable to me 666 00:44:54,066 --> 00:44:55,818 as it will be to you." 667 00:44:59,363 --> 00:45:03,659 "This story will rewrite American history over the last 30 years." 668 00:45:04,493 --> 00:45:07,037 "Over the last 40 years." "Over the last 50 years." 669 00:45:07,121 --> 00:45:11,667 "This story will rewrite American history over the last 50 years." 670 00:45:12,167 --> 00:45:16,171 "What started as a brief look-see into the PROMIS software scandal 671 00:45:16,255 --> 00:45:18,632 has revealed a web of thugs and thieves 672 00:45:18,716 --> 00:45:21,844 who roam the Earth with their weapons and espionage." 673 00:45:25,472 --> 00:45:28,142 "This cabal was spawned 30 years ago, 674 00:45:28,225 --> 00:45:30,060 in the shadow of the Cold War, 675 00:45:30,144 --> 00:45:32,938 in the backwaters of US intelligence." 676 00:45:37,025 --> 00:45:40,654 "It was formed by the alliances of 12 people." 677 00:45:40,738 --> 00:45:42,990 "It was formed by the alliances of seven people." 678 00:45:43,073 --> 00:45:44,450 "Eight people." 679 00:45:45,159 --> 00:45:47,911 "It was formed by the alliances of eight people." 680 00:45:50,122 --> 00:45:51,790 {\an8}"I've come to call this group 681 00:45:53,083 --> 00:45:54,334 {\an8}'The Octopus.'" 682 00:46:06,597 --> 00:46:07,806 "What you're going to learn." 683 00:46:09,057 --> 00:46:12,019 {\an8}"These eight men came together in the 1950s." 684 00:46:12,102 --> 00:46:16,607 {\an8}"A loose collection rising from the spy networks of the Second World War." 685 00:46:17,649 --> 00:46:20,369 {\an8}"They're not government officials." "No longer government officials." 686 00:46:20,444 --> 00:46:23,572 "But their tentacles can reach into any part of government, 687 00:46:23,655 --> 00:46:25,115 in almost any country." 688 00:46:25,699 --> 00:46:27,159 "They're not known criminals, 689 00:46:27,242 --> 00:46:31,205 but they have successfully penetrated all factions of organized crime." 690 00:46:36,043 --> 00:46:40,255 "They gained momentum in the late '60s and early '70s in Laos 691 00:46:40,339 --> 00:46:46,553 before moving into Australia, Angola, Rhodesia, Iran, and Nicaragua." 692 00:46:48,972 --> 00:46:52,226 "The Cabazon operation and the PROMIS software scandal 693 00:46:52,309 --> 00:46:54,228 were merely tentacles of the Octopus, 694 00:46:54,311 --> 00:46:57,648 which moves money and power around the world 695 00:46:57,731 --> 00:47:00,025 to achieve its evolving goals." 696 00:47:06,740 --> 00:47:08,659 "My contacts from this world 697 00:47:08,742 --> 00:47:11,453 are riddled with contradictions and hidden motives." 698 00:47:12,412 --> 00:47:15,999 "So a research trip is needed to pierce the shrouds of secrecy." 699 00:47:19,086 --> 00:47:22,631 "A key source has offered his services as a guide." 700 00:47:25,968 --> 00:47:31,473 "The itinerary for research completion is, Lexington, Kentucky, two days." 701 00:47:31,557 --> 00:47:34,434 "Indio, California, to the Indian reservation, 702 00:47:34,518 --> 00:47:37,521 and to meet with homicide investigators, three days." 703 00:47:37,604 --> 00:47:41,483 "San Francisco, to meet homicide investigators, one day." 704 00:47:41,567 --> 00:47:45,362 "Seattle, to meet again with Michael 'Danger Man' Riconosciuto, 705 00:47:45,445 --> 00:47:47,155 in his jail cell, presumably, 706 00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:48,532 one or two days." 707 00:47:48,615 --> 00:47:51,201 "Santa Monica and Long Beach, California." 708 00:47:51,285 --> 00:47:55,163 "Thailand, Burma, and Laos, to meet with tribal leaders and scholars." 709 00:47:55,247 --> 00:47:56,915 "Kuwait City, Saudi Arabia, 710 00:47:56,999 --> 00:47:59,418 Egypt, Tunisia, Israel, Brussels, Zurich, London." 711 00:47:59,501 --> 00:48:01,670 "Fourteen days." "Two days." "One day." "Three days." 712 00:48:05,966 --> 00:48:09,052 "Possession of a secret is no guarantee of its truth." 713 00:48:09,136 --> 00:48:11,847 "And while these allegations are indeed remarkable, 714 00:48:11,930 --> 00:48:14,600 they're also raw, with undocumentable details 715 00:48:14,683 --> 00:48:17,936 that make a traditional journalistic effort impossible." 716 00:48:19,146 --> 00:48:21,857 "It is for this reason The Octopus is subtitled, 717 00:48:21,940 --> 00:48:23,859 'A True Crime Narrative.'" 718 00:48:25,903 --> 00:48:28,447 "I propose a book that tells the ageless story 719 00:48:28,530 --> 00:48:31,575 of greed and envy, fear and hate, 720 00:48:31,658 --> 00:48:35,829 what simple men have always known to be the real enemy, which is selfishness." 721 00:48:35,913 --> 00:48:38,707 "This is the only real secret of the temple." 722 00:48:42,794 --> 00:48:46,840 "If I keep asking questions, the answers will gradually fit together." 723 00:48:47,424 --> 00:48:48,884 "With best regards..." 724 00:48:50,761 --> 00:48:51,762 "Danny." 725 00:49:00,562 --> 00:49:03,357 Danny's... Uh, do you know... have any idea... Do you even... 726 00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:07,861 Can you even speculate on why, let's say, he was murdered? 727 00:49:08,362 --> 00:49:11,406 Uh, what would he possibly have 728 00:49:11,907 --> 00:49:13,617 that could have caused that? 729 00:49:13,700 --> 00:49:16,787 You know, uh, something on the Justice Department? 730 00:49:18,163 --> 00:49:19,456 I would say, 731 00:49:19,957 --> 00:49:21,291 time will tell. 732 00:49:22,918 --> 00:49:24,127 Time will tell. 62826

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