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JUDI: Hello, Joan.
- JOAN: Hello, darling.
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Do you want me to sit here?
- MAN: Yes, please.
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INDISTINCT CHATTER
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God almighty, leave me alone!
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Would you mind taking
a little step to your left...?
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To my left?
- To you left.
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I'm Mark, pleased to meet you
- Hello.
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I think we'd better do it
because we're taking root.
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MARK: And then we're gonna do some
where you're sort of...
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JOAN:
Yes, we look awfully hot.
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EILEEN:
Oh that's an awful angle, Mark.
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It really is.
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It's not fair to old ladies
- THEY LAUGH
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MARK: You look wonderful.
- JOAN: No, why are you doing this?
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EILEEN:
Why are you doing that?
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You've got to start somewhere.
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Is it your first day?
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You've never done it before?
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I don't think so, so give him a break.
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Look, see how Jude does it?
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Mum?
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MAGGIE: So beautifully
- JUDI: I do that or that.
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EILEEN:
You're not my friend, Mark.
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I'm never going to a speak to you again
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I never want to see you again.
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Oh no don't be grumpy
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THEY LAUGH
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MAGGIE:
She's not being grumpy, she's being starry.
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Are we ready to go?
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I think we've been
- We've been.
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CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKS
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MAN:
Scene, mark.
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Now, if anybody wants
to lie down, ladies.
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I'm here, darling
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How far away?
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Not far away
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Round the corner?
- Just round the corner.
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Alright
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INTERVIEWER: I want to start with when
you first set eyes upon each other.
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Judi, can we start with you?
- Oh, God.
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Yes but... has anyone got a memory?
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Let alone... oh, God.
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Well, I think I met you, Mags
in about 1958.
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I think so.
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And we did The Double-Dealer
and we went to the Edinburgh to the festival
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and got pursued by Miles Malleson.
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MAGGIE:
Did we do that in Edinburgh?
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Yeah, we did it at the festival
don't you remember?
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No.
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Yes, you and I had to hide.
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It's gone, it's gone.
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JUDI: We had to hide between
the two shows because of Miles Malleson.
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MAGGIE:
I didn't know we were in Edinburgh.
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Were we good?
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No, I don't think we were.
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Too long ago
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JOAN: I remember you saying, Mags,
that you'd been discovered and rediscovered.
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Yeah, I'm still hanging in for that
- THEY LAUGH
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INTERVIEWER: Who saw Share My Lasses
Joan did you see
Share My Lasses?
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Well yes, you weren't listening
and I've just told you.
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THEY LAUGH
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I was feeling depressed at the time
and friends said
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'Oh we'll take you out to somewhere
that'll cheer you up madly.
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It's Kenneth Williams, he's very funny
as you know, and there's this new girl
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Don't.
- And that was the new girl.
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Would you say Kenneth
had been quite a big influence on you?
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An enormous influence.
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I mean, I pinch from him all the time.
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Can you give us some examples?
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Well, in
Black Comedy, I'm doing a
complete Kenneth, I mean it's outrageous.
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He hasn't seen it, he'd be livid.
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You know, that awful Mrs Punnett who keeps
whistling like that, you know, it's pure Ken.
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KEN:
Settle down.
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INTERVIEWER:
Eileen, tell us a bit about Baby Eileen?
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A gypsy told my mother
I was going to be a dancer
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and she kept sending me
to dancing lessons
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and I kept screaming and wanting
to come home again from the age of three.
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And finally at five, I seemed stuck there.
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And that particular dancing school
was called The KY School
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and we had it on all our clothes... KY
- MAGGIE: Gracious.
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My brother played the drums there
and his drums had KY on it.
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We never knew why people laughed
slightly or looked the other way.
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That's sad.
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And I danced in working men's clubs
I mean, two or three times a week
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until my grammar school said
She falls asleep in school all the tlme '
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Cause you were up all night
doing these things?
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Yes,yes
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EILEEN:
Well, it was paedophilia land really.
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We were little girls up there.
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Then what, did you decide just that
you didn't want to do it anymore?
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I did my first play when I was ten
and kept telling my mum
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from then on, that I didn't want to dance
I was going to do this other thing.
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We all just thought we were
going to be stage actresses.
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MAGGIE: Yes.
- EILEEN: Yeah.
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JOAN:
Did you start off with light and make-up?
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MAGGIE AND JUDI
Yes, five and nine.
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Five and nine was the men's make up.
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No, I wore Dark Egyptian in one thing.
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Peter Pan
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Five and nine was really the men's
make-up, wasn't it?
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JOAN: But you added a bit of three
or two and a half to it if you're a girl.
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And a big red spot in the corner
of your eyes.
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EILEEN: Absolutely
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Oh, yes, red spots in the eye
- Big red spot.
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Crimson Lake if you were being aged.
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JUDI:
Yes, lines of Crimson Lake.
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People coming out of drama schools years ago
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wanted to go to Bristol Old Vic
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or Oxford or somewhere
there's a really good rep.
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JUDI: There was a thing wasn't there
where you went to reps
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and you stayed in digs and things
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that if the landlady wasn't very nice
or didn't do something
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you used to nail a Kipper
under the table before you left.
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EILEEN:
That's true
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Tim West went home one night
to a darkened house
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letting himself in the back
into the kitchen
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and the landlady
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was having sex with a man on the table.
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And she was right out lying
and as he opened the door, she saw him
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and she said 'Oh, Mr West,
you must think I'm such a flirt
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On the table?
- On the table.
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Unaware there was a Kipper
attached to it.
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The Kipper!
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How ghastly
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Let's go through here!
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JUDI:
I went straight from the Vic
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to do
The Cherry Orchard
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which was with...
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MAGGIE: Oh, that was an amazing cast
- JUDI: ...Michel Saint-Denis and Peggy.
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And Sir John.
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EILEEN: Who was the director?
- JOAN: Michel Saint-Denis was it?
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JUDI:
And he was really, really unkind.
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He used to come to the end of Act One
and then he'd give notes
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and he'd give a note here and he'd give
a note there and he'd give a note there.
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And he'd get to me, he'd go
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JOAN:
Oh, horrible.
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And Peggy, I remember, said to me
To think I nearly married that man' she said.
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And then she said,
Never ever let him see you cry.
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Never let him see you cry
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And then one day we got
to the end of Act One
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and he used to give the notes then
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and Sir John said 'Well if you'd been doing
that for me, I'd be delighted,' he said.
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And it changed absolutely
everything for me.
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It just... entirely changed my life
really as far as, you know
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the fear of directors,
because the more you get frightened
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you know, and somebody goes like that
the less you can do.
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You can't mend it.
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Goodnight, Uncle.
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God bless you, little Anya
Mmm.
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I was at the Old Vic theatre school,
run by Judi's friend Michel Saint-Denis.
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JUIDXI:
pa.
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And George Devine
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And it was George who asked me
to join the company for...
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well, it was called
the English Stage Company
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but it just became known
as the Royal Court.
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Michel Saint-Denis had been told
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that they were asking me to join the company
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and Michel had said...
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'She can't play queens, you know '
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And George had said
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'I should think the last thing we want
in a theatre for contemporary writers
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is girls born to play queens
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THEY LAUGH
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THUNDER CLAPS
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MAN:
Stop there.
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INDISTINCT CHATTER
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JOAN:
I thought we were going to sing.
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It's very wet.
- Oh, well. Yes.
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THUNDER RUMBLES
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CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKS
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MAGGIE:
Shall we sit under the table?
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# Timothy's under the table
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# Be careful what you say
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# Timothy's under the table
so look the other way
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# You can tickle and squeeze
as much as you please
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# But don't you go too far
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# Because Timothy's under the table
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# And he's bound to tell his ma
#
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Why eke II remember mew
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JUDI:
What is that?
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MAGGIE: It's the musical we were in
Hark Hark
the Fart.
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JUDI: Listen to the W/no'...
it's called Listen to the Wind.
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It's a terrible title.
- It is a terrible title.
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That's what Ronnie called it
is Hark Hark the Fart.
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MUSIC:
Timothy's Under The Table
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I forget.
Why did we start on that?
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INTERVIEWER
Cleopatra...
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Maggie, talk to us a bit about...
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I'm not going to talk about Cleopatra.
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JOAN
Right.
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INTERVIEWER
Judi, you start.
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You
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Uh-uh.
- Why?
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Nobody...
SHE LAUGHS
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I'm in the clear with this one.
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SHE GASPS
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You bang on.
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What do you mean, you're in the clear?
- You talk about Cleopatra?
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I've turned it down four times because
I thought I wasn't good looking enough.
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That's the end of my story of Cleopatra
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What are we meant to say about that?
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WNW
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What are we meant to say to that?
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You're meant to say...
- 'Oh, Eileen, how stupid of you
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What a fool.' No.
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Not good looking, that's a silly word
I don't know.
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No, I didn't have the courage.
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There you are,
I didn't have the courage.
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No, neither did I, that's why I did it
in Canada.
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JUDI: At least you did it though
- EILEEN: But you did it.
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Yes, I didn't have the courage,
I was asked by Jonathan Miller to do it
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I just said I couldn't possibly
do it at the National
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because in my own mind
I wouldn't be first choice.
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Half of them will say, 'Oh my God,
you know, she shouldn't be playing Cleopatra
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Cleopatra's supposed to be a great beauty '
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So that's the first stumbling block
isn't it?
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But you said a marvellous thing, Judi
when you were asked to do Cleopatra...
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Do you really want... now you go on with it.
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What? I can't remember.
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I just remember people laughing openly
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I prefer what you said.
When I said I was going to play it
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and it was announced,
people laughed openly at me
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But you said to Peter Hall,
was it, that was in charge?
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'Do you really want...'
Do you want me to say it?
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JUDI:
Yes, I do. 'Menopausal dwarf
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That's it. It's very funny.
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Are you sure you want a menopausal dwarf
to play this part?' It's true.
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Absolutely true
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MAGGIE: That's what she was
- That's what she was, quite.
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It's the way I played it
- MAGGIE: It's true.
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Where is the fellow?
- Half are feared to come.
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Go to, go to
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Come hither, sir.
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Good majesty, Herod of Jewry
dare not look upon you
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but when you are well pleased.
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That Herod's head I'll have.
239
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But how when Anthony is gone,
through whom I might command it?
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They assume, well, I'm talking about critics
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that we all think we're the king's knees,
the bee's knees
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and will take on these parts.
243
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They don't realise
that we're shaking inside, right?
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That's absolutely true
because that's two of us
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didn't have any courage at all
and not do it.
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There's Maggie nervously doing it
in another country
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gm mu mmgny M ma.
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JUDI: And Tony Hopkins, on the top
of the monument, he used to say
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'I'm going now for a nice lie down
while you do Act Five'
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THEY LAUGH
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And that is what he said.
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But there's a lot of rest
before Act Five.
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There's a bit of rest in there with Pompey
and all that lot.
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It's long enough to lose the thread.
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We used to be up in that Monument,
when you're up there for a long time
256
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and Miranda Foster
and Helen Fitzgerald used to say to me
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What would you really like to eat now?'
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And I used to say 'What I'd like now
is a glass of champagne and a lobster salad
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And on the last, the very last night
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we were in the Monument
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and they said 'What would you like?'
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I said 'Oh, lobster salad and '
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And they went, 'dink' with the light
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and there it was
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And we had it.
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I found it very difficult to say
'To the Monument'
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cause it's like a tube station, isn't it?
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I think I wasn't good at that.
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'To the Monument' I thought
no, I'm sorry
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I'd rather not say that.
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But wasn't it Mags,
darling Mags Tyzack said
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she couldn't get her head round
having to say, 'I am for Argos.'
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THEY LAUGH
- MAGGIE: What was she doing?
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Am Wm
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You can't, can you?
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It's ridiculous.
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I've never not known
an Antony complain
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because I think they find out that
really it's Cleopatra's evening
279
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rather more than Antony's.
280
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I think Cleopatra is a better part
than Antony.
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And I think the men never know
until they're in the middle of doing it.
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MAGGIE
Oh, I see.
283
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EILEEN:
I know Alan Bates told me that.
284
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He said, 'Halfway through, I realised '
285
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MAGGIE: That's because he wanted
to play Cleopatra.
286
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EILEEN: There is something
of that in it, absolutely.
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Can't win.
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INTERVIEWER:
Talk a bit more about fright, if you will.
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On the way to the theatre
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I always think...
291
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Would you like to be run over now
292
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or in a massive car accident?'
293
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And I only just about come out
on the side of no.
294
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Or sometimes, I know occasions
where it could have turned to yes.
295
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I remember being in The Importance
and playing Cecily
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and I had a little speech which was
297
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It is always painful to part from people
298
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whom one has known
for a very brief space of time
299
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The absence of old friends
one can endure with equanimity
300
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but even a momentary separation
from one to whom
301
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one has just been introduced
is almost unbearable.'
302
00:15:02,399 --> 00:15:05,243
And I could not remember it.
303
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Well, you do now.
- I couldn't remember it at all.
304
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On the first night I just got it out
and Alec McCowen after it went, 'Pop!
305
00:15:11,639 --> 00:15:14,563
So I said to him, 'That's no help Alec '
306
00:15:14,599 --> 00:15:16,283
He said 'There was a passing fly '
307
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That's so mean
308
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And why should I remember that now?
309
00:15:22,879 --> 00:15:25,246
Because you spent a very long time
trying to learn it.
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Trying to learn it.
311
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That's all I can remember
are things like that.
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INTERVIEWER:
Can you talk a bit about naturalism?
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When you started out were people
much bigger in their performances?
314
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Well, I thought I'd done a very
naturalistic performance
315
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in The Duchess of A/Ia/f/on television
and then a couple of years ago
316
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I was at the Globe and they were doing
the doing The
Duchess of Ma/fi
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in one of the other theatres
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and one of the cast came up
to me and said
319
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'Yes, we've watched your
old television of Ma/fi.
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Well, of course that was alright in your day
but we're going to do it naturally.'
321
00:16:01,839 --> 00:16:06,447
Why should only I,
of all the other princes in the world
322
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be cased up like a holy relic?
323
00:16:11,879 --> 00:16:13,244
I have youth and a little beauty.
324
00:16:13,279 --> 00:16:16,442
So you have some virgins that are witches.
325
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It's a different form of naturalism
each time, isn't it?
326
00:16:21,159 --> 00:16:26,802
I mean, each generation thinks they've found
the natural way to do something.
327
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No, be assured you shall not find me daughter
after the slander of most stepmothers
328
00:16:33,279 --> 00:16:34,883
evil-eyed unto you
329
00:16:35,359 --> 00:16:37,009
You are my prisoner but you're...
330
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ah, yes, you are my prisoner
but your jailer shall deliver you
331
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the keys that lock up your restraint.
332
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MAN:
Oh, you've done it.
333
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You've done it. That was perfect.
334
00:16:45,359 --> 00:16:46,929
That was absolutely perfect.
335
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That will never happen again.
336
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MAN:
No, it will, darling, it will.
337
00:16:51,559 --> 00:16:55,962
It's always very difficult for me to hear
Shakespeare
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being done in a natural way
339
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with pauses anywhere they like
and, 'Uh, uh, uh.'
340
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“Um...”
341
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Because they think it gives
the impression that they're thinking of it
342
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absolutely of the moment.
343
00:17:16,479 --> 00:17:20,325
But I mean, you know, Shakespeare is poetry
344
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and it does have a rhythm and it does...
345
00:17:23,519 --> 00:17:27,843
And there is a way of using the poetry
and being naturalistic.
346
00:17:28,719 --> 00:17:32,690
And that's seems to me,
if it's done and things are changed
347
00:17:32,719 --> 00:17:38,965
and it's broken up, it seems to me to be
losing entirely out on the other side of it.
348
00:17:38,999 --> 00:17:41,320
Y. MW-
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The quality of mercy is not strained.
350
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It droppeth as the gentle rain from heaven
upon the place beneath.
351
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It is twice blessed.
352
00:17:54,519 --> 00:17:56,920
It blesseth him that gives
and him that takes.
353
00:17:57,639 --> 00:18:02,167
It's like you bring it down to you
and your size
354
00:18:02,199 --> 00:18:03,724
instead of reaching up
355
00:18:04,919 --> 00:18:07,001
to something that's a bit...
356
00:18:07,399 --> 00:18:12,644
Well, I think it would look pretty rum
if we all did it as they did it way back.
357
00:18:12,679 --> 00:18:15,000
Pre Laurence I talk about.
358
00:18:15,479 --> 00:18:17,447
I mean, it would look a bit quaint
wouldn't it?
359
00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:20,407
You have to move with the times
360
00:18:20,439 --> 00:18:22,726
JOAN: That would seem
to us like hollow booming.
361
00:18:23,639 --> 00:18:27,166
Yes, I think it does frequently sound
like that now.
362
00:18:28,079 --> 00:18:31,003
But there's a... middle ground
363
00:18:31,039 --> 00:18:32,165
JOAN:
There is a middle ground.
364
00:18:32,839 --> 00:18:34,489
THUNDER CLAPS
365
00:18:34,999 --> 00:18:36,569
Why art thou here
366
00:18:36,599 --> 00:18:38,522
come from the farthest steppe of India
367
00:18:38,559 --> 00:18:40,800
but that forsooth, the bouncing Amazon
368
00:18:40,839 --> 00:18:43,809
your buskined mistress and your warrior love
369
00:18:43,839 --> 00:18:45,489
to Theseus must be wedded
370
00:18:45,519 --> 00:18:48,250
and you come to give their bed
joy and prosperity.
371
00:18:52,439 --> 00:18:58,242
JOAN: It had been announced that Larry
was to be director of the National Theatre.
372
00:18:58,279 --> 00:18:59,929
That had been approved.
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EILEEN:
I can remember
374
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I had the feeling of going almost every week.
375
00:19:03,519 --> 00:19:07,080
So it was very exciting for other actors
in the profession
376
00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:09,167
as well as those of you in the company.
377
00:19:10,279 --> 00:19:14,045
Yes, and Maggie, I mean, you moved in there
378
00:19:14,639 --> 00:19:16,846
despite your nervousness about critics.
379
00:19:16,879 --> 00:19:18,290
V, H M.
380
00:19:18,319 --> 00:19:23,803
Well, I think I was more nervous
of Laurence than the critics.
381
00:19:23,839 --> 00:19:25,045
WNW
382
00:19:25,079 --> 00:19:28,128
I was more nervous of your husband
than the critics.
383
00:19:31,319 --> 00:19:32,809
I must admit.
384
00:19:34,479 --> 00:19:36,049
Well, I don't think...
385
00:19:36,079 --> 00:19:37,569
As indeed everybody was, Joan.
386
00:19:37,599 --> 00:19:40,443
I don't think you ever showed it
- No, everybody was.
387
00:19:41,039 --> 00:19:42,609
We were terrified.
388
00:19:43,239 --> 00:19:44,650
And your name, my dear?
389
00:19:45,559 --> 00:19:48,403
Wilful, Jack Wilful, at your service.
390
00:19:48,439 --> 00:19:51,409
What, the Kentish Wilfuls
or those of Staffordshire?
391
00:19:51,439 --> 00:19:53,760
Eh Mm. fir, mm.
392
00:19:53,799 --> 00:19:56,200
I'm related to all the Wilfuls in Europe
393
00:19:56,239 --> 00:19:58,207
and I'm head of the family at present.
394
00:19:58,239 --> 00:20:00,287
Do you live in this country, sir?
- I live where I stand.
395
00:20:00,319 --> 00:20:02,845
I have no house and I have no habitation
beyond this spot of ground.
396
00:20:02,879 --> 00:20:04,643
What are you, sir?
- A rake.
397
00:20:04,679 --> 00:20:06,841
AUDIENCE LAUGHS
398
00:20:06,879 --> 00:20:08,324
In the army, I presume?
399
00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:10,965
No, no but I intend to list
immediately.
400
00:20:12,279 --> 00:20:13,565
SHE WHISTLES
401
00:20:13,599 --> 00:20:15,601
MAGGIE:
No, he didn't scare me all the time.
402
00:20:15,639 --> 00:20:17,050
JOAN:
No, you scared him.
403
00:20:17,079 --> 00:20:19,969
I think I scared the wits out of him
from time to time.
404
00:20:20,759 --> 00:20:22,648
A merry war, let us say
405
00:20:22,679 --> 00:20:25,842
A merry war, because I know,
I remember you telling me
406
00:20:25,879 --> 00:20:29,247
that he'd come in and said
you were too slow and you.
407
00:20:29,279 --> 00:20:30,724
MAGGIE:
Bored him off the stage.
408
00:20:31,279 --> 00:20:33,646
Ah, no money and no luggage either.
409
00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:35,609
Not a thing in the world.
410
00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:38,645
What is more, I don't care.
411
00:20:38,999 --> 00:20:41,366
I'm here and I don't care.
412
00:20:41,399 --> 00:20:42,446
I like you for that.
413
00:20:43,679 --> 00:20:45,363
Only for that?
- No.
414
00:20:45,879 --> 00:20:47,847
AUDIENCE LAUGHS
415
00:20:47,879 --> 00:20:49,040
Not only for that
416
00:20:50,519 --> 00:20:51,850
JOAN:
You went on the next night
417
00:20:51,879 --> 00:20:54,166
and you went so fast
that he was befuddled.
418
00:20:54,199 --> 00:20:55,280
MAGGIE
I know.
419
00:20:55,319 --> 00:20:58,084
I went so fast, he didn't know whether
it was Wednesday or Christmas.
420
00:20:58,719 --> 00:21:02,087
He could have gone into F,'/'chard ///
without any trouble.
421
00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:04,566
I'd got him really really rattled
422
00:21:04,759 --> 00:21:06,488
BELL TOLLS
423
00:21:08,719 --> 00:21:11,199
EILEEN: Didn't he tell you
that your vowels weren't right?
424
00:21:11,239 --> 00:21:14,527
Yes, he did but...
- And what did you say to him?
425
00:21:14,879 --> 00:21:17,405
I used to put his eyelashes on
426
00:21:18,039 --> 00:21:21,009
No, he did tell me my vowels
which they're still dodgy.
427
00:21:21,599 --> 00:21:23,203
Twill away again
428
00:21:24,399 --> 00:21:27,482
Let me but bind it hard,
within an hour it will be well.
429
00:21:27,519 --> 00:21:30,602
So I went in to help him
with the eyelashes
430
00:21:30,639 --> 00:21:36,043
and he was sitting there in all that gunge
and I said 'How now, brown cow?'
431
00:21:36,679 --> 00:21:39,922
And all he said was...
That's better', he said.
432
00:21:39,959 --> 00:21:42,769
THEY LAUGH
433
00:21:44,279 --> 00:21:48,079
Anyway, he got very cross with me
because I wouldn't do
Skin of our Teeth.
434
00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:49,200
Yes
435
00:21:50,239 --> 00:21:51,479
Yes
436
00:21:52,399 --> 00:21:54,003
'Out devil,' he says
437
00:21:55,239 --> 00:21:56,729
MAGGIE:
But he did knock me out.
438
00:21:57,279 --> 00:21:59,168
JOAN: Well, not quite
- MAGGIE: He did.
439
00:21:59,199 --> 00:22:01,281
Mad!
- Why, sweet Othello.
440
00:22:01,319 --> 00:22:03,481
Devil!
- SHE WHIMPERS
441
00:22:03,519 --> 00:22:04,759
MAGGIE:
He hit me.
442
00:22:05,399 --> 00:22:06,241
Whoosh!
443
00:22:07,239 --> 00:22:08,365
Out devil
444
00:22:08,839 --> 00:22:13,606
And I was left with some black marks
on my face.
445
00:22:15,319 --> 00:22:16,844
Oh, dear
446
00:22:16,879 --> 00:22:21,089
But I did say it was the only time
I saw stars at the National Theatre.
447
00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:22,848
THEY LAUGHS
448
00:22:23,399 --> 00:22:25,083
Those were the days, eh'?
449
00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:29,044
They also had the lights put up
a bit higher when he came on.
450
00:22:29,079 --> 00:22:30,285
When he came on, yes
451
00:22:30,319 --> 00:22:33,209
You could...
If you went like that, you got into it.
452
00:22:34,759 --> 00:22:35,999
But you had to...
453
00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:40,599
You had to make sure you could
get your head in.
454
00:22:40,639 --> 00:22:41,640
L&gQ[
455
00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:43,769
MAGGIE:
Darling Frank Finlay.
456
00:22:45,199 --> 00:22:50,000
He came off one night and he flew
to the prompt corner
457
00:22:50,039 --> 00:22:52,849
and he started tearing at his eyes.
458
00:22:54,559 --> 00:22:57,483
And I was so alarmed and I thought
'What's happened?'
459
00:22:57,519 --> 00:22:59,044
And he was wearing...
460
00:22:59,079 --> 00:23:01,605
he'd never worn them before
he had contact lenses.
461
00:23:01,639 --> 00:23:03,050
EILEEN
Oh, yes
462
00:23:03,079 --> 00:23:08,040
And he said 'I have just seen Sir Laurence
and I never want to see him again!'
463
00:23:09,399 --> 00:23:12,608
He couldn't get them out
MAGGIE LAUGHS
464
00:23:12,639 --> 00:23:14,243
Can you imagine?
465
00:23:14,279 --> 00:23:16,885
Because he couldn't see his hand
in front of him, could he, Frank?
466
00:23:18,759 --> 00:23:19,920
MAGGIE:
Poor man.
467
00:23:26,839 --> 00:23:29,001
EILEEN:
We're done, I think we're done, yeah.
468
00:23:30,919 --> 00:23:32,000
JOAN SIGHS
469
00:23:32,639 --> 00:23:34,687
The tunnel.
- The tunnel
470
00:23:52,559 --> 00:23:55,165
INDISTINCT CHATTER
471
00:23:59,799 --> 00:24:02,530
JOAN: We got the cottage
as a halfway house
472
00:24:03,199 --> 00:24:04,883
between Brighton and Chichester
473
00:24:04,919 --> 00:24:07,047
when Larry was running Chichester Theatre
474
00:24:07,879 --> 00:24:11,088
because getting out of Brighton
took such a long time in the summer
475
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:12,962
with all the crowds of visitors.
476
00:24:16,279 --> 00:24:21,001
And also, we needed some
country air and space.
477
00:24:22,399 --> 00:24:29,089
When we first came, there was just
the central part, little cottage
478
00:24:30,319 --> 00:24:35,803
still with a few Elizabethan stones
in the wall
479
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:41,489
and the cottage was surrounded
by nettles
480
00:24:41,519 --> 00:24:45,843
just nettles all around this, and the field.
481
00:24:48,319 --> 00:24:50,128
Some of them shoulder high.
482
00:24:53,439 --> 00:24:57,000
OVERLAPPING CHATTER
483
00:25:07,999 --> 00:25:09,569
MAN:
Shall we take one on the ends?
484
00:25:16,759 --> 00:25:18,727
I like the way you consider
what was written on the cushion
485
00:25:18,759 --> 00:25:20,363
Well, yeah, because you
486
00:25:24,079 --> 00:25:25,683
I'm sure we look natural
487
00:25:26,719 --> 00:25:27,845
we?
488
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:30,086
Oh, dear
489
00:25:34,679 --> 00:25:36,681
When have we ever sat like this?
490
00:25:37,039 --> 00:25:39,041
When have we ever sat like this?
491
00:25:39,839 --> 00:25:41,443
Not even in a play.
- INTERVIEWER: Is it too horrible?
492
00:25:41,479 --> 00:25:43,846
No, of course it's not. It's fine
- Well, it's a funny sort of...
493
00:25:43,879 --> 00:25:46,246
INTERVIEWER: It's a prop
- It's fine, it is. It's a prop.
494
00:25:47,839 --> 00:25:50,524
MAGGIE: I think it was pinched
from The
Three Sisters.
495
00:25:50,999 --> 00:25:52,649
INTERVIEWER:
It is from The Three
Sisters
496
00:25:52,679 --> 00:25:54,522
MAGGIE: From The Three Sisters, isn't it?
- Yeah.
497
00:25:56,279 --> 00:26:00,648
SHE SINGS IN FOREIGN LANGUAGE
498
00:26:01,479 --> 00:26:02,765
SHE SINGS IN FOREIGN LANGUAGE
499
00:26:03,999 --> 00:26:06,286
# Roll the keel, roll the keel
#
500
00:26:07,039 --> 00:26:08,484
# Roll the keel, roll the...#
501
00:26:08,519 --> 00:26:10,521
Look at them all looking bored over there.
502
00:26:11,239 --> 00:26:13,241
INTERVIEWER:
Are first days still scary?
503
00:26:14,039 --> 00:26:16,007
First days on film sets, or first days?
504
00:26:16,039 --> 00:26:18,280
All days, all days are scary.
- INTERVIEWER CHUCKLES
505
00:26:18,319 --> 00:26:20,208
Yes.
- No, that's true
506
00:26:20,239 --> 00:26:21,570
It is absolutely true.
507
00:26:21,599 --> 00:26:24,762
I don't know why people assume
that it is any other way.
508
00:26:25,559 --> 00:26:27,004
It's just...
509
00:26:29,959 --> 00:26:34,009
MAGGIE: It is scary and it is every day
on a film, isn't it?
510
00:26:34,599 --> 00:26:36,169
MAN 1:
Quiet. Let's shoot, please.
511
00:26:36,199 --> 00:26:39,123
Turn over.
- MAN 2: OK, action, everybody!
512
00:26:40,959 --> 00:26:43,246
JUDI: Certainly every day on a film set
because you haven't done it before.
513
00:26:43,279 --> 00:26:44,201
MAGGIE
I know.
514
00:26:44,239 --> 00:26:49,279
Filming is very scary because
there are so many people involved.
515
00:26:49,319 --> 00:26:54,962
But it's the... everybody kind of
waiting with bated breath.
516
00:26:55,559 --> 00:26:56,560
Mm.
517
00:26:57,919 --> 00:26:59,125
How horrid.
518
00:27:00,199 --> 00:27:01,849
And who turns out to have done it?
519
00:27:01,879 --> 00:27:03,210
Oh, I couldn't tell you that.
520
00:27:03,239 --> 00:27:04,843
It would spoil it for you.
521
00:27:06,159 --> 00:27:08,321
Oh, but none of us will see it
- SHE CHUCKLES
522
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,203
And if you get it wrong
there's a lot of silent...
523
00:27:11,679 --> 00:27:12,919
Looking.
524
00:27:12,959 --> 00:27:15,644
Looking at each other and the eyes roll
and there's a bit of...
525
00:27:15,679 --> 00:27:17,283
MAGGIE SIGHS
526
00:27:18,519 --> 00:27:19,930
Heavy breathing.
527
00:27:19,959 --> 00:27:21,961
Are we really going again?'
528
00:27:25,959 --> 00:27:28,360
MAGGIE:
I wasn't actually allowed to go to films.
529
00:27:28,399 --> 00:27:29,889
They didn't approve
530
00:27:29,919 --> 00:27:31,683
I used to get claustrophobia.
531
00:27:31,719 --> 00:27:34,848
With that horrible smell and those carpets
that sank down.
532
00:27:34,879 --> 00:27:38,406
MAGGIE: I think I saw Hamlet
when I was at school.
533
00:27:39,319 --> 00:27:41,481
JUIDXI:
v. And Hwy
M
534
00:27:41,519 --> 00:27:42,486
MAGGIE
Yes.
535
00:27:42,519 --> 00:27:43,964
Well, we were allowed to do that.
536
00:27:43,999 --> 00:27:45,410
JUDI:
We were made to, weren't we?
537
00:27:45,439 --> 00:27:46,725
MAGGIE: That's true
SHE LAUGHS
538
00:27:46,759 --> 00:27:48,887
JUDI: We were made to because
you all had to fight for our country.
539
00:27:50,079 --> 00:27:54,129
I had a great aunt, great aunt Sarah,
I think she was called, I only met her once.
540
00:27:54,159 --> 00:27:58,164
She lived in Dublin and she was
like a bird, a tiny little bird.
541
00:27:58,199 --> 00:28:01,009
And... she once said... 'I'm not going...
542
00:28:01,039 --> 00:28:04,680
I'm not going to films anymore
because the seats are too narrow
543
00:28:04,719 --> 00:28:08,087
And she never knew that you
actually put the seat down.
544
00:28:08,519 --> 00:28:11,363
She just sat on that little narrow bit
- I don't believe you, Judi.
545
00:28:11,399 --> 00:28:13,527
She sat on that!
- It's a fact.
546
00:28:13,559 --> 00:28:15,163
Mind you, we all did as children.
547
00:28:15,719 --> 00:28:16,880
Perched.
548
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,726
The next door neighbours took me to see
549
00:28:21,759 --> 00:28:26,242
now this is really frightening
The Jazz Singer.
550
00:28:27,559 --> 00:28:28,765
Al Jolson?
551
00:28:28,799 --> 00:28:30,528
No, it wasn't Al Jolson.
552
00:28:31,759 --> 00:28:34,205
Close, but no, it was
553
00:28:34,239 --> 00:28:39,245
it was Larry, not Olivier
Larry Parks.
554
00:28:41,359 --> 00:28:46,365
It was so long and so boring
I didn't enjoy it at all.
555
00:28:46,399 --> 00:28:49,448
But I got home and my father
was very, very, very cross.
556
00:28:49,839 --> 00:28:51,170
JUDI:
Was it not suitable?
557
00:28:51,199 --> 00:28:53,566
MAGGIE: Well, no because it was
a Sunday and it was, you know...
558
00:28:53,599 --> 00:28:54,486
JUDI:
Oh, yes.
559
00:28:54,519 --> 00:28:56,089
MAGGIE: So you weren't allowed
to do anything like that.
560
00:28:57,199 --> 00:28:59,008
So it kind of put me off a bit.
561
00:28:59,919 --> 00:29:02,445
So after that, the first thing I saw
was Hamlet.
562
00:29:03,959 --> 00:29:05,688
And that was just as scary.
563
00:29:07,719 --> 00:29:09,244
Just as scary.
564
00:29:11,319 --> 00:29:12,286
MAGGIE
Ooh.
565
00:29:13,319 --> 00:29:17,802
I've never known my father
as cross as he was that day.
566
00:29:19,439 --> 00:29:22,761
INTERVIEWER: What did your parents
make of you going into this job?
567
00:29:23,919 --> 00:29:26,729
What did they make of me
going into this job?
568
00:29:28,159 --> 00:29:30,002
Well, I think they were a bit puzzled.
569
00:29:30,639 --> 00:29:33,563
How did you begin in the theatre?
Did you act at school?
570
00:29:33,599 --> 00:29:38,287
The very first definite step
was when I was still at school.
571
00:29:38,319 --> 00:29:40,560
They had a frightfully good thing
that when you'd finished
572
00:29:40,599 --> 00:29:41,725
you know, general school certificate
573
00:29:41,759 --> 00:29:45,525
you usually had about two weeks at the end
of term which was kind of dead time.
574
00:29:45,559 --> 00:29:48,085
And I immediately went to
the Oxford Playhouse.
575
00:29:49,039 --> 00:29:55,570
In The Letter, I think it's The Letter,
I played Uh, Chinese boy.
576
00:29:56,879 --> 00:30:00,770
Uh, a Chinese boy in an opium den.
577
00:30:01,559 --> 00:30:03,766
Of course you did.
- Yes, 'course I did.
578
00:30:04,599 --> 00:30:10,288
And... right
at the beginning of The
Letter
I was
the Malayan woman.
579
00:30:12,359 --> 00:30:14,646
And you were Uh, Chinese...
580
00:30:14,679 --> 00:30:16,443
And Uh, Chinese boy.
581
00:30:16,479 --> 00:30:18,447
God, can you imagine
my make-up?
582
00:30:20,359 --> 00:30:21,565
Oh!
583
00:30:22,079 --> 00:30:23,240
DIALOGUE FROM
ROOTS PLAYS
584
00:30:23,279 --> 00:30:24,769
JOAN: You don't have to make no effort
for them, they come easy.
585
00:30:24,799 --> 00:30:25,880
But we know where the money //es
586
00:30:25,919 --> 00:30:28,001
They say, 'He// we do,
the workers have got it.
587
00:30:28,039 --> 00:30:30,246
A/night then let's give 'em
what they want.
588
00:30:30,279 --> 00:30:33,123
If they want words of one syllable
we 'll give 'em that then.
589
00:30:33,159 --> 00:30:36,003
If they want the third rate blast
we '// give 'em that then.
590
00:30:36,039 --> 00:30:39,043
Anything's good enough for them
'cause they don't ask for no more
591
00:30:39,079 --> 00:30:42,720
The who/e stinking commercial world
insults us and we don't give a
damn.
592
00:30:42,759 --> 00:30:45,080
Well, it does serve us r/jg/7t.
It is our own fault.
593
00:30:45,119 --> 00:30:46,928
We want the third rate
and we've got it!
594
00:30:46,959 --> 00:30:48,688
We've got it! We've got it!
595
00:30:49,679 --> 00:30:52,046
J©II
mm .
596
00:30:52,479 --> 00:30:57,406
You know, such a leading part
that hardly exists anywhere.
597
00:30:57,439 --> 00:31:02,889
You know, Beatie is the centre of attention
is the centre of the story
598
00:31:02,919 --> 00:31:07,243
instead of being, you know, on the side
the decoration bit
599
00:31:08,199 --> 00:31:09,360
the support
600
00:31:10,319 --> 00:31:13,402
The female is absolutely
at the centre of it.
601
00:31:16,159 --> 00:31:18,446
And it's that feeling of elation
602
00:31:19,719 --> 00:31:21,244
exhilaration
603
00:31:21,839 --> 00:31:24,001
when you know you're in charge.
604
00:31:24,519 --> 00:31:25,600
Oh, yes
605
00:31:25,639 --> 00:31:28,882
Do anything you thought wrong, no no
I have too much honour to desire it.
606
00:31:28,919 --> 00:31:31,570
Don't you think we may as well leave
honour out of the argument?
607
00:31:31,599 --> 00:31:32,725
Ah.
608
00:31:32,759 --> 00:31:37,447
We are not in the first rank
of world beauties.
609
00:31:38,639 --> 00:31:45,124
That was my mother who sent me off
to the Old Vic Theatre school
610
00:31:45,999 --> 00:31:49,606
and saying, you know,
OK, you're on your way out there.
611
00:31:50,359 --> 00:31:55,490
You're no oil painting my girl
but you have the spark.
612
00:31:56,199 --> 00:32:01,569
You've lovely expressive eyes and thank God
you've got my legs and not your father's.'
613
00:32:03,199 --> 00:32:05,201
Madam, I'll see you.
614
00:32:05,599 --> 00:32:09,843
EILEEN: I was very lucky in the way that
your mother said that to you.
615
00:32:09,879 --> 00:32:13,770
It was the school teacher who was
encouraging me to go into the theatre
616
00:32:13,799 --> 00:32:18,760
and he invited an actor to come
and see me to ask his opinion
617
00:32:18,799 --> 00:32:24,010
and, accidentally, I heard him say,
I don't know what to do about her.
618
00:32:24,479 --> 00:32:30,760
I think she's probably
a very good actress, or could be
619
00:32:31,759 --> 00:32:38,210
but I'm worried about her looks,
because she's not what you would call pretty
620
00:32:39,119 --> 00:32:43,681
I was listening to this,
quite happily actually
621
00:32:43,719 --> 00:32:47,610
and then he answered happily for me
622
00:32:47,639 --> 00:32:50,688
which has kept me going throughout
the whole of my career
623
00:32:51,399 --> 00:32:55,609
'No, no, she's not conventionally
pretty in any way
624
00:32:57,079 --> 00:33:00,686
but do you know what, she's sexy '
625
00:33:01,439 --> 00:33:02,281
: Ah.
626
00:33:09,879 --> 00:33:13,406
MAGGIE: I spent two days the other day
trying to remember Andre Previn.
627
00:33:14,399 --> 00:33:16,481
I could not think of his name.
628
00:33:17,879 --> 00:33:19,324
JUDI:
Isn't it so easy?
629
00:33:19,999 --> 00:33:22,445
I spend all my time thinking,
What did I do last weekend?
630
00:33:24,559 --> 00:33:27,961
MAGGIE: 'Lucy used to borrow from
a woman who wore gators and galoshes
631
00:33:27,999 --> 00:33:32,800
and those plastic mackintoshes
and a rather grubby husband
632
00:33:32,839 --> 00:33:34,648
that she only wore on Sundays
633
00:33:35,559 --> 00:33:37,004
Why do I remember things...
634
00:33:38,039 --> 00:33:39,404
Where's that from?
635
00:33:39,439 --> 00:33:40,804
One of those Oxford review.
636
00:33:42,679 --> 00:33:45,603
'And a rather pallid husband
that she only wore on Sundays.
637
00:33:46,119 --> 00:33:49,566
When she sat behind the teapot
handing fancies to the vicar.'
638
00:33:51,199 --> 00:33:52,246
I don't know.
639
00:33:52,399 --> 00:33:53,969
Where does it all come from?
640
00:33:53,999 --> 00:33:57,890
Kind of jammed full of rubbish
my head.
641
00:33:59,679 --> 00:34:00,965
Very difficult.
642
00:34:03,319 --> 00:34:05,401
Has anybody said go?
- Yes.
643
00:34:06,199 --> 00:34:07,610
Oh, go
- Yeah.
644
00:34:07,639 --> 00:34:09,129
What's the play, what's the part?
645
00:34:09,159 --> 00:34:10,490
THEY LAUGH
646
00:34:11,359 --> 00:34:13,680
EILEEN: Can you remember
the first time you came to this house?
647
00:34:14,439 --> 00:34:18,922
MAGGIE: I was with very small people
small children.
648
00:34:18,959 --> 00:34:24,329
And I've got a picture of Joan
just vanishing into the room downstairs
649
00:34:24,359 --> 00:34:28,603
and that wonderful lime walk out there
was this high
650
00:34:29,919 --> 00:34:31,728
where it's all overgrown now.
651
00:34:34,559 --> 00:34:39,042
So it was when Richard was tiny
and Chris was tiny.
652
00:34:41,439 --> 00:34:43,521
Babies.
- EILEEN: Lots of babies.
653
00:34:59,199 --> 00:35:05,366
RICHARD: I can tell you a story about
Richard when he was a very small person.
654
00:35:06,119 --> 00:35:08,770
In the hall there was a dumbwaiter
655
00:35:10,079 --> 00:35:13,208
and Richard, as a small person
656
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,561
used to just nonchalantly post any mail
657
00:35:17,199 --> 00:35:18,963
that there might be down there.
658
00:35:18,999 --> 00:35:23,641
And one Christmas, I remember
Larry standing over him
659
00:35:24,559 --> 00:35:25,720
because he'd...
660
00:35:27,759 --> 00:35:31,684
Larry was beseeching this child
and he's...
661
00:35:32,119 --> 00:35:36,169
because he couldn't find
the keys to the bar
662
00:35:36,199 --> 00:35:37,689
that was at the end of, erm
663
00:35:38,519 --> 00:35:41,523
and he saw Richard looking a bit furtive
664
00:35:42,439 --> 00:35:44,601
and he was leaning over him saying
665
00:35:44,639 --> 00:35:49,088
'Where are the keys to Daddy's num nums?'
666
00:35:49,119 --> 00:35:50,803
THEY LAUGH
667
00:35:51,879 --> 00:35:57,329
And we thought it was wonderful
that this quite fantastic actor was reduced
668
00:35:57,359 --> 00:36:00,249
T@
@@yfln "mum mum.“
669
00:36:00,279 --> 00:36:02,725
'Where are keys to Daddy's
num nums?'
670
00:36:02,759 --> 00:36:05,080
I think he'd posted them down
the wretched thing.
671
00:36:05,119 --> 00:36:06,689
THEY LAUGH
672
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:07,766
AnyWaY
673
00:36:10,839 --> 00:36:15,163
I suppose that's what it was
all about in those days.
674
00:36:15,199 --> 00:36:16,360
The children.
675
00:36:17,639 --> 00:36:19,528
Very small people running around
676
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:23,801
Why are you so tanned, is that all Cornwall?
677
00:36:23,839 --> 00:36:24,920
EILEEN:
Cornwall.
678
00:36:25,599 --> 00:36:26,930
MAGGIE:
Doesn't happen to me.
679
00:36:33,039 --> 00:36:37,408
Mama thinks I'm living in a convent.
680
00:36:38,559 --> 00:36:43,884
A secluded little convent
in the southern part of France.
681
00:36:45,999 --> 00:36:49,799
Mama doesn't even have an inkling
682
00:36:50,759 --> 00:36:56,880
that I'm working in a nightclub
in a pair of lacy pants.
683
00:36:59,399 --> 00:37:00,730
So...
684
00:37:00,759 --> 00:37:02,921
6% . fir
685
00:37:04,679 --> 00:37:08,604
# If you run into my mama
686
00:37:10,119 --> 00:37:13,601
# Don't reveal my indiscretion
687
00:37:15,759 --> 00:37:21,084
# Give a working girl a chance
#
688
00:37:23,279 --> 00:37:25,566
I'm trying to think how old I was
in the sixties.
689
00:37:25,599 --> 00:37:29,729
34, 44...
26 at the beginning.
690
00:37:29,759 --> 00:37:35,562
I think that I thought it was much more
to do with being in the theatre
691
00:37:36,159 --> 00:37:39,959
and, like, and it was fun
and things were loose.
692
00:37:39,999 --> 00:37:42,366
I don't know.
- Perhaps we swung a bit early.
693
00:37:42,399 --> 00:37:44,367
I think we did.
- Do you think?
694
00:37:44,399 --> 00:37:46,128
I'm sure you and I did.
695
00:37:46,159 --> 00:37:47,684
I'm pretty sure we did.
696
00:37:49,079 --> 00:37:50,808
I guess I was swinging
at the end of the fifties.
697
00:37:50,839 --> 00:37:53,126
We behaved pretty badly actually, Judi.
698
00:37:53,159 --> 00:37:55,480
I don't think you and I needed the sixties.
699
00:37:55,519 --> 00:37:57,248
JUDI LAUGHS
700
00:37:57,279 --> 00:37:59,486
My courage, try by combat
if thou darest.
701
00:37:59,519 --> 00:38:01,999
And thou shall find that I exceed my sex.
702
00:38:02,639 --> 00:38:03,845
Resolve on this.
703
00:38:03,879 --> 00:38:06,849
Thou shall be fortunate if thou
received me for thy warlike mate.
704
00:38:06,879 --> 00:38:09,803
MUSIC: "Not Fade Away"
by The Rolling Stones
705
00:38:12,999 --> 00:38:15,001
# I'm gonna tell you
how it's gonna be
706
00:38:17,119 --> 00:38:19,042
# You're gonna give your love to me
707
00:38:19,639 --> 00:38:21,323
SCREAM
708
00:38:21,359 --> 00:38:23,123
# I'm gonna love you night and day
709
00:38:25,119 --> 00:38:27,121
# Well love is love and not fade away
710
00:38:29,319 --> 00:38:31,242
# Well love is love and not fade away
711
00:38:33,319 --> 00:38:35,367
# My love bigger than a Cadillac
712
00:38:37,519 --> 00:38:39,487
# I try to show it
and you're drivin' me back
713
00:38:41,639 --> 00:38:43,528
# Your love for me
has got to be real...
#
714
00:38:46,679 --> 00:38:48,283
Come on, love, let's be having ya
715
00:38:48,439 --> 00:38:49,804
You stinking copper!
716
00:38:49,839 --> 00:38:51,887
Filthy, stinking copper!
717
00:38:55,279 --> 00:38:57,646
CROWD CLAMOURS
718
00:38:59,679 --> 00:39:01,761
JUDI: I sat down in Trafalgar Square
with Vanessa.
719
00:39:01,799 --> 00:39:03,164
EILEEN
So did I.
720
00:39:03,199 --> 00:39:06,043
JUDI: And then Vanessa got arrested
and remembered she had a matinee.
721
00:39:06,079 --> 00:39:07,604
EILEEN LAUGHS
722
00:39:08,199 --> 00:39:09,564
EILEEN:
I sat down.
723
00:39:09,599 --> 00:39:11,044
It was probably the same thing.
724
00:39:11,079 --> 00:39:12,080
Julian said...
725
00:39:12,119 --> 00:39:15,805
I was married to Julian Glover then
and we all sat down.
726
00:39:15,839 --> 00:39:19,844
And first of all, John Osbourne
was taken away
727
00:39:19,879 --> 00:39:22,644
and then Vanessa was taken away
and you were probably...
728
00:39:22,679 --> 00:39:24,522
Were you taken away?
- JUDI: Oh, no, I hid.
729
00:39:24,559 --> 00:39:25,799
EILEEN:
Well, you hid.
730
00:39:25,839 --> 00:39:30,163
Well, Julian went away and I thought
'I've had enough of this.'
731
00:39:30,199 --> 00:39:31,564
And I got up and went home
732
00:39:31,599 --> 00:39:34,250
and I remember buying some
crumpets on the way home.
733
00:39:34,839 --> 00:39:40,209
And Julian was furious with me
cause he spent a night in the cells
734
00:39:40,759 --> 00:39:43,603
and came back the next day
and said, 'What happened to you?'
735
00:39:43,639 --> 00:39:44,765
Where were you?'
736
00:39:44,799 --> 00:39:48,520
And I said, 'I suddenly thought
I wanted to go home.'
737
00:39:50,079 --> 00:39:53,447
We weren't allowed sometimes at home
738
00:39:53,479 --> 00:39:55,720
to talk about politics or religion.
739
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:57,809
When you were young?
- Yeah.
740
00:39:58,799 --> 00:40:00,688
No, nobody spoke about it
in my house at all.
741
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:01,880
Not much.
742
00:40:02,999 --> 00:40:05,081
No, I don't remember debates
at school or anything.
743
00:40:05,119 --> 00:40:06,564
You went away to school, didn't you?
744
00:40:06,599 --> 00:40:09,728
Well, I was at boarding school in York,
which is my hometown.
745
00:40:09,759 --> 00:40:11,602
But I still had to stay there, you know...
746
00:40:12,399 --> 00:40:14,561
JUDI:
The Quaker's. I loved it.
747
00:40:14,599 --> 00:40:17,967
EILEEN: I remember asking you
about it, rather nosily
748
00:40:18,479 --> 00:40:22,279
and you said 'I just think
it's a very good idea each week
749
00:40:22,919 --> 00:40:25,001
to just collect yourself
750
00:40:25,039 --> 00:40:27,201
and have a bit of silence
751
00:40:27,919 --> 00:40:28,966
Be calm.
752
00:40:29,479 --> 00:40:30,719
JUDI:
Well, it's very soothing.
753
00:40:30,759 --> 00:40:33,683
It's like, you know, like having
a massage in a way.
754
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:37,007
I told you about Maggie and I
on The Marigold Hotel.
755
00:40:37,039 --> 00:40:44,685
We were in Udaipur
and we went for a head massage.
756
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,040
An Indian head massage.
757
00:40:48,079 --> 00:40:50,320
Well, of course,
it's legendary isn't it?
758
00:40:50,359 --> 00:40:51,485
EILEEN:
Yes. That I would like.
759
00:40:51,519 --> 00:40:54,523
We thought this will be absolutely wonderful.
760
00:40:54,999 --> 00:40:58,970
She massaged our heads like that
and we were in the same room
761
00:40:58,999 --> 00:41:03,402
very quiet, very, very quiet
and just smelling lovely, you know.
762
00:41:04,119 --> 00:41:05,928
And as soon as she's finished
she went whack!
763
00:41:10,079 --> 00:41:11,888
I just...
- EILEEN LAUGHS
764
00:41:13,279 --> 00:41:14,485
WOMAN:
Are you alright?
765
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:16,843
I just want a glass of water.
766
00:41:18,559 --> 00:41:20,049
That was a gin and tonic.
767
00:41:22,879 --> 00:41:23,846
I know that now.
768
00:41:24,799 --> 00:41:25,766
Oh.
769
00:41:26,959 --> 00:41:27,926
Oh, good grief
770
00:41:27,959 --> 00:41:32,328
This is from York Film Archive
and it's of the mystery plays.
771
00:41:33,119 --> 00:41:34,928
TANYA: It hasn't got any sound
but we think...
772
00:41:34,959 --> 00:41:37,644
JUDI: What year?
- TANYA: '51 or '52
773
00:41:37,879 --> 00:41:40,246
JUDI:
Well, if it's '51... Oh, wait a minute.
774
00:41:40,279 --> 00:41:41,440
EILEEN:
Is that you? No.
775
00:41:41,479 --> 00:41:42,810
Now wait a minute.
776
00:41:44,399 --> 00:41:45,685
Can I have it very close?
- Yes.
777
00:41:46,639 --> 00:41:48,403
JUDI
Oh. Er...
778
00:41:49,639 --> 00:41:51,960
Who is that?
Oh, I wish I could see.
779
00:41:52,839 --> 00:41:54,523
TANYA:
I'll try and freeze frame.
780
00:41:55,279 --> 00:41:56,565
EILEEN:
Yeah, that would be good.
781
00:41:57,599 --> 00:41:59,442
TANYA: We were wondering
whether that was you there.
782
00:41:59,479 --> 00:42:01,800
That's what I wondered
Can I just look closely?
783
00:42:01,839 --> 00:42:03,170
I can't see
784
00:42:05,119 --> 00:42:07,247
EILEEN: May I ask,
did you have tits even then?
785
00:42:08,799 --> 00:42:10,244
JUDI:
Well, that person has.
786
00:42:10,279 --> 00:42:11,519
Because you have
very pretty tits there.
787
00:42:11,559 --> 00:42:13,687
I don't think I had them like that.
788
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,040
How old were you then? You're tiny there.
789
00:42:16,079 --> 00:42:19,288
JUDI: In '52...
- EILEEN You were 18.
790
00:42:19,319 --> 00:42:21,242
Yes, yes, yes, that's Judi
791
00:42:21,279 --> 00:42:24,283
OK, just play it a tiny bit more.
- You have an awful wig on, it's...
792
00:42:24,319 --> 00:42:26,925
We all had them, those gold wigs.
793
00:42:27,599 --> 00:42:30,808
And there's everybody going in
to see it with their rugs, look.
794
00:42:31,959 --> 00:42:34,439
EILEEN: So this is in '52, yes?
- JUDI: St Mary's Abbey.
795
00:42:35,279 --> 00:42:37,885
My father played Annas
the High Priest.
796
00:42:37,919 --> 00:42:40,160
My mum made the costumes
- Look at them all.
797
00:42:40,199 --> 00:42:42,361
TANYA: And then there's lots
of behind the scene shots.
798
00:42:42,879 --> 00:42:44,643
JUDI: God, I remember that,
climbing up there
799
00:42:45,159 --> 00:42:47,969
and we were all in these great big arches.
800
00:42:51,039 --> 00:42:53,360
EILEEN: Do you know what
colour dress you had?
801
00:42:53,399 --> 00:42:58,644
JUDI: White, all white with
a gold collar and gold wigs.
802
00:42:59,679 --> 00:43:01,329
EILEEN:
And is that you there then?
803
00:43:01,359 --> 00:43:03,760
JUDI: I don't know, there's a bit
of horsing about going on there.
804
00:43:03,799 --> 00:43:06,086
TANYA: Sort of costume change
- EILEEN: Oh, costume change.
805
00:43:06,119 --> 00:43:09,043
JUDI: Oh. Oh, these are all devils.
806
00:43:09,079 --> 00:43:10,524
These are all devils.
807
00:43:12,559 --> 00:43:13,606
TANYA:
Is that thunder?
808
00:43:13,639 --> 00:43:16,006
EILEEN:
Oh, that's the thunder there, yes.
809
00:43:18,839 --> 00:43:20,603
Thank you, darling
- Oh, gosh!
810
00:43:20,639 --> 00:43:23,245
JUDI: Oh, now that's
where we were, that was me.
811
00:43:23,279 --> 00:43:26,920
That was just because
a May bug flew up my sleeve.
812
00:43:27,879 --> 00:43:29,165
A May bug?
813
00:43:31,839 --> 00:43:33,284
JUDI:
That's lovely, thank you.
814
00:43:34,199 --> 00:43:35,360
David Charles used to say
815
00:43:35,399 --> 00:43:38,164
With all wit that we wield
we worship thy will
816
00:43:38,199 --> 00:43:40,884
thou glorious God that is ground
of all grace
817
00:43:41,279 --> 00:43:44,442
with steadfast song let us ever stand still
818
00:43:44,479 --> 00:43:46,527
to be fed with the food
of beholding thy face'
819
00:43:49,359 --> 00:43:51,566
JUDI:
A wonderful man called Alfred Bristow.
820
00:43:52,079 --> 00:43:54,923
He'd say 'When hast thou Lord
who ownest all
821
00:43:54,959 --> 00:43:57,565
hunger or thirst since God art thou.
822
00:43:58,919 --> 00:44:01,843
Bits of it I can remember really clearly.
823
00:44:03,479 --> 00:44:05,049
Oh, my word!
824
00:44:05,639 --> 00:44:07,164
What wonderful footage.
825
00:44:07,199 --> 00:44:08,769
What a lovely thing to have.
826
00:44:17,919 --> 00:44:20,160
OK, so you're going to head
towards the step.
827
00:44:21,599 --> 00:44:22,885
And here's the door.
828
00:44:22,919 --> 00:44:25,126
Shall I put your hand on the frame?
829
00:44:25,679 --> 00:44:26,726
Brilliant.
830
00:44:27,519 --> 00:44:28,600
I've got you
831
00:44:30,999 --> 00:44:32,808
I did not sleep last night.
832
00:44:32,839 --> 00:44:35,160
You know that awful thing when you don't
- Oh, God I do.
833
00:44:35,199 --> 00:44:38,089
Everything was going round in my head
what we talked about.
834
00:44:40,559 --> 00:44:42,049
INTERVIEWER:
Who was the first dame?
835
00:44:42,079 --> 00:44:43,365
Joan, were you the first dame?
836
00:44:43,399 --> 00:44:44,969
No, I wasn't.
837
00:44:44,999 --> 00:44:46,524
EILEEN:
Jude was the first.
838
00:44:46,559 --> 00:44:49,290
JOAN: I was putting down the red carpet
for all my friends.
839
00:44:56,599 --> 00:44:58,567
MAGGIE:
You phoned me when it happened to me.
840
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:02,322
And you said it doesn't make any
difference, you can still swear.
841
00:45:03,879 --> 00:45:04,880
Yes
842
00:45:04,919 --> 00:45:06,284
Do you remember?
- You can swear more, actually
843
00:45:06,319 --> 00:45:07,445
You can swear more, yeah
844
00:45:07,479 --> 00:45:09,800
Just try and do it privately
845
00:45:11,159 --> 00:45:12,490
I won't do it now.
846
00:45:13,519 --> 00:45:16,648
In America though they call you
Dame Plowright don't they
847
00:45:16,679 --> 00:45:19,410
and Dame Smith and Dame Atkins?
848
00:45:19,439 --> 00:45:20,565
MAGGIE:
Mrs Dame.
849
00:45:20,599 --> 00:45:21,839
Mrs
850
00:45:22,639 --> 00:45:27,679
With John Standing,
when he went through an airport
851
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,325
and they do all that thing
with your passport.
852
00:45:30,359 --> 00:45:33,806
And my gm an mm.
“Haw me my "
853
00:45:34,359 --> 00:45:36,600
cause he is a Baron
854
00:45:38,559 --> 00:45:41,085
'Have a nice day, Baron.'
I said what is that about?
855
00:45:43,799 --> 00:45:46,200
EILEEN: What are you supposed
to say to a Baron? I don't...
856
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:47,843
'Have a nice day,' I guess
857
00:45:51,479 --> 00:45:53,527
INTERVIEWER: Did any of you
consider not being a Dame
858
00:45:53,559 --> 00:45:54,845
when you were offered?
859
00:45:54,879 --> 00:45:56,005
EILEEN: Yes.
860
00:45:56,039 --> 00:45:57,643
The letter had got lost in the post.
861
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:02,369
So I suddenly got a phone call saying
'Are you or are you not?
862
00:46:02,399 --> 00:46:04,367
What is your answer?
We haven't received it.
863
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:08,369
And so she told me over the phone
864
00:46:08,399 --> 00:46:13,530
and I said 'Oh, oh, I don't
I don't know what to do.
865
00:46:13,559 --> 00:46:14,765
I don't know what to say '
866
00:46:15,799 --> 00:46:18,006
And she said,
I just remember her saying
867
00:46:18,039 --> 00:46:19,723
Oh, do say yes
868
00:46:20,359 --> 00:46:21,326
Do say yes
869
00:46:21,359 --> 00:46:23,726
But then I asked for some time
to think about it.
870
00:46:24,399 --> 00:46:25,605
I don't know.
871
00:46:25,639 --> 00:46:27,482
And then I was as pleased as punch
that I did it.
872
00:46:28,479 --> 00:46:30,527
OFFICIAL: The most excellent Order
of the British Empire
873
00:46:30,559 --> 00:46:32,926
to be a Dame Commander
Civil Division.
874
00:46:33,439 --> 00:46:36,966
Dame Eileen Atkins,
for services to drama.
875
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:41,049
MAGGIE: I was just so thrilled
that my father was alive.
876
00:46:41,639 --> 00:46:45,166
But that's mostly the point, isn't it?
- EILEEN: Yes.
877
00:46:46,039 --> 00:46:52,445
MAGGIE: It's for other people who've
helped and got you where you are.
878
00:46:52,999 --> 00:46:54,330
It's not really you
879
00:46:58,559 --> 00:47:01,085
OFFICIAL: The order of the Companions
of Honour
880
00:47:01,919 --> 00:47:03,250
to be a member
881
00:47:03,639 --> 00:47:07,007
Dame Maggie Smith,
for services to drama.
882
00:47:11,959 --> 00:47:14,769
I think it's much nicer being a Lady
883
00:47:14,799 --> 00:47:16,961
which you were before
being a Dame.
884
00:47:16,999 --> 00:47:20,367
Well, darling it's quite difficult
when you've got two titles
885
00:47:20,759 --> 00:47:22,727
People don't know which to use.
886
00:47:22,759 --> 00:47:24,761
You'll have to grapple with it, Joan.
887
00:47:24,799 --> 00:47:26,289
THEY LAUGH
888
00:47:26,319 --> 00:47:28,925
MAGGIE: It's so much nicer to be
Lady somebody than Dame.
889
00:47:28,959 --> 00:47:30,165
JOAN:
Oh, darling, is it?
890
00:47:30,199 --> 00:47:33,601
Now I'm not sure about titles
at all, really.
891
00:47:34,319 --> 00:47:38,643
I have a feeling that Russia's way
of calling you a People's Artist.
892
00:47:39,399 --> 00:47:41,766
But you accepted it.
893
00:47:41,799 --> 00:47:44,279
I did, because everybody else had.
894
00:47:45,439 --> 00:47:46,804
Did you feel left out?
895
00:47:47,799 --> 00:47:54,683
Well, it's a kind of an acceptance
isn't it, of work achieved.
896
00:47:56,799 --> 00:48:01,760
OFFICIAL: Dame Joan Plowright
for services to drama.
897
00:48:05,919 --> 00:48:09,241
I remember Joan saying
on Tea with
Mussolini
898
00:48:09,279 --> 00:48:10,769
they said something like Dames
899
00:48:10,799 --> 00:48:14,929
and Joanie said 'No, one Lady, two Dames'
900
00:48:14,959 --> 00:48:16,643
I remember that very well.
901
00:48:19,359 --> 00:48:23,000
Walking the streets of Rome
trying to find a hotel.
902
00:48:23,639 --> 00:48:25,004
I'll never forget it.
903
00:48:25,039 --> 00:48:26,120
MAGGIE:
Oh, that was wonderful.
904
00:48:26,159 --> 00:48:29,800
JUDI: And we got into the hotel,
and you were shown to your room.
905
00:48:29,839 --> 00:48:32,160
And somebody was showing me
to my room.
906
00:48:32,199 --> 00:48:33,644
This can't be right.
907
00:48:33,679 --> 00:48:36,489
And as I got to my room
you appeared around the corner.
908
00:48:36,519 --> 00:48:38,965
You said 'We're not stopping here
it's a knocking shop.'
909
00:48:38,999 --> 00:48:40,524
MAGGIE:
It's a knocking shop' yes.
910
00:48:40,559 --> 00:48:43,085
And it was 12.30 in the morning
I'll never forget it.
911
00:48:43,119 --> 00:48:45,008
And nor did we stay there.
912
00:48:45,039 --> 00:48:47,246
And we all landed up together,
didn't we.
913
00:48:47,279 --> 00:48:52,001
Yeah, well, we went... you and I went
along to the Grand, and I said...
914
00:48:52,039 --> 00:48:54,121
JUDI:
You went round the whole of Rome.
915
00:48:54,159 --> 00:48:57,163
No, but Joan asked...
you asked at the Grand...
916
00:48:57,199 --> 00:48:58,564
Do you have any rooms?'
917
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:02,448
And he said
Madam, we have 150 rooms
918
00:49:04,439 --> 00:49:05,406
- JUDII
We did.
919
00:49:05,919 --> 00:49:07,330
We went to the Eden
920
00:49:07,359 --> 00:49:10,203
and do you remember
in the bar at the top
921
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:12,526
you weren't allowed to eat there?
922
00:49:12,559 --> 00:49:16,041
We used to go and have drinks
and drink a whole bottle of Prosecco.
923
00:49:16,079 --> 00:49:17,319
Mm W mm"
924
00:49:17,359 --> 00:49:18,724
Yes, and then try and guess
where our rooms were.
925
00:49:18,759 --> 00:49:20,045
THEY LAUGH
926
00:49:24,759 --> 00:49:26,761
Oh, well, we're not supposed
to be talking about that.
927
00:49:26,799 --> 00:49:29,803
No, we're not supposed to be talking
about things like that.
928
00:49:31,639 --> 00:49:33,004
INTERVIEWER
Reviews'?
929
00:49:33,039 --> 00:49:34,529
You don't read them.
930
00:49:35,119 --> 00:49:36,530
JUDI:
You certainly don't read them.
931
00:49:36,559 --> 00:49:38,049
Somebody will always tell you
won't they?
932
00:49:38,079 --> 00:49:40,446
Oh, yeah. Particularly if it's dreadful.
933
00:49:41,279 --> 00:49:42,963
Caryl Brahms
years and years ago
934
00:49:42,999 --> 00:49:44,728
JUDI: I was just going to say
Caryl Brahms.
935
00:49:44,759 --> 00:49:47,922
...came up to me at
a party when I was about early 20s
936
00:49:47,959 --> 00:49:51,247
and said 'I'm so sorry I had
to be so cruel to you.'
937
00:49:52,119 --> 00:49:54,929
And I hadn't known, and I didn't know
what she was talking about.
938
00:49:54,959 --> 00:49:57,326
Of course, that was the nicest way
I could have answered her.
939
00:49:57,359 --> 00:49:58,849
I mean,
it was a good thrust back.
940
00:49:58,919 --> 00:50:00,569
I said 'I'm sorry, I don't know
what you're talking about.'
941
00:50:00,599 --> 00:50:01,885
Yes, quite right
942
00:50:01,919 --> 00:50:04,889
But it was genuine, I didn't know
what she was talking about.
943
00:50:04,919 --> 00:50:06,159
And after that I thought
944
00:50:06,199 --> 00:50:08,440
Oh, you must check up on
what's said about you.'
945
00:50:08,479 --> 00:50:10,129
JUDI:
Well, I think that's not wise.
946
00:50:10,839 --> 00:50:12,284
Madam, I'm here.
947
00:50:12,319 --> 00:50:13,320
What is your will?
948
00:50:14,559 --> 00:50:16,004
JUDI:
She said about me as Juliet
949
00:50:16,039 --> 00:50:17,040
she said, 'A good try
950
00:50:17,079 --> 00:50:19,446
but Rosalind lden should
have been playing the part
951
00:50:19,479 --> 00:50:20,480
THEY LAUGH
952
00:50:20,519 --> 00:50:22,487
JOAN:
Oh, well, off the mark!
953
00:50:22,519 --> 00:50:24,521
MAGGIE: Who said that?
- Caryl Brahms.
954
00:50:25,759 --> 00:50:29,206
It's funny isn't it how, that is 1960
955
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:32,083
It's funny now isn't it that you
should remember it then.
956
00:50:32,119 --> 00:50:34,406
EILEEN:
You remember the bad ones if...
957
00:50:34,439 --> 00:50:36,726
Yes. Best just not read it.
958
00:50:36,759 --> 00:50:38,045
You kind of know.
959
00:50:39,759 --> 00:50:42,569
INTERVIEWER: Talk more about
getting old, if you will.
960
00:50:42,599 --> 00:50:44,806
You all seem terribly young.
- I thought we were acting it quite well.
961
00:50:44,839 --> 00:50:46,682
JUDI: Fuck off, Roger
- THEY LAUGH
962
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:48,403
Frankly
963
00:50:48,439 --> 00:50:51,045
Let's say it's a good job
I've got hearing aids in
964
00:50:51,079 --> 00:50:52,046
and I can hear what you say
because“.
965
00:50:52,079 --> 00:50:53,240
MAGGIE
And me.
966
00:50:53,279 --> 00:50:55,725
Hands up who hasn't got
hearing aids here?
967
00:50:55,759 --> 00:50:57,602
You need to get them.
- I do need to get them.
968
00:50:57,639 --> 00:50:59,926
You need to get them, Jude!
969
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:04,529
JOAN: And then there is
the question of sight loss.
970
00:51:04,559 --> 00:51:05,970
Well done.
971
00:51:05,999 --> 00:51:08,570
Have we got three eyes
between us all?
972
00:51:08,599 --> 00:51:10,601
But I'm saying something
about“...
973
00:51:10,639 --> 00:51:13,848
oh, well we could give these
things round to read.
974
00:51:13,879 --> 00:51:19,329
Or no, Roger said that, and I said,
'ls there nobody who can read?
975
00:51:19,359 --> 00:51:20,599
Who can read
976
00:51:21,999 --> 00:51:25,048
Judi said she's got to have
a huge print.
977
00:51:25,079 --> 00:51:26,319
I've got huge print
978
00:51:26,359 --> 00:51:27,849
Do you find though that...
979
00:51:28,399 --> 00:51:30,163
do you know what I really
don't like?
980
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:36,769
That people, after a certain age go
can't... I want to say...
981
00:51:37,999 --> 00:51:40,570
if I can't do it,
I'll tell you that I can't do it.
982
00:51:40,599 --> 00:51:43,842
I mean, warn me about steps
and things but, you know...
983
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:48,322
There's a very, very delicate line
because you need help,
984
00:51:48,359 --> 00:51:49,485
you need help.
985
00:51:49,519 --> 00:51:56,687
But it's like when I was stung
on the bum by a hornet, last year
986
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:58,721
Oh, yes, and that awful... yes, say.
987
00:51:58,759 --> 00:52:02,650
And somebody, a paramedic
walked into the room
988
00:52:03,119 --> 00:52:04,609
who was about 17
989
00:52:04,639 --> 00:52:06,209
and he said 'What's our name?'
990
00:52:06,999 --> 00:52:08,046
JOAN
Oh!
991
00:52:08,079 --> 00:52:09,524
So I said...
SHE CLEARS THROAT
992
00:52:10,479 --> 00:52:12,288
'Judi, my name's Judi '
993
00:52:12,319 --> 00:52:13,923
And he said,
And have we got a carer'?
994
00:52:13,959 --> 00:52:16,724
And I blew my top
995
00:52:17,319 --> 00:52:18,764
I blew my top
996
00:52:19,599 --> 00:52:21,442
I'm afraid, I completely blew it.
997
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:23,365
I mean, I would tell you what I said.
998
00:52:23,399 --> 00:52:25,879
You can't probably say it
I said 'You fuck off'.
999
00:52:25,919 --> 00:52:28,968
I said 'I've just done eight weeks
in The Winter's Tale
1000
00:52:28,999 --> 00:52:30,524
at the Garrick Theatre!' I said.
1001
00:52:30,759 --> 00:52:32,921
THEY LAUGH
1002
00:52:33,799 --> 00:52:35,722
I was so angry.
1003
00:52:35,759 --> 00:52:37,329
That's the kind of thing.
1004
00:52:38,359 --> 00:52:40,168
Have we got a carer?'
1005
00:52:41,159 --> 00:52:43,161
What's our name?'
- MAGGIE: I know.
1006
00:52:43,199 --> 00:52:45,247
That doesn't change, does it?
1007
00:52:45,279 --> 00:52:47,680
That doesn't change somebody
'What's your name?'
1008
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:50,484
If you want somebody to say that,
you say, you know
1009
00:52:50,519 --> 00:52:52,726
you don't put in a
kind of person that's...
1010
00:52:52,759 --> 00:52:55,000
an invisible person
who's standing next to you.
1011
00:52:56,959 --> 00:52:59,963
I don't like it when people
ask if you've sorted your funeral out.
1012
00:53:00,519 --> 00:53:01,566
EILEEN:
Oh, Lord.
1013
00:53:01,599 --> 00:53:02,964
Do you remember,
Miriam asked you that?
1014
00:53:02,999 --> 00:53:05,843
Miriam Margolyes?
- JOAN: She'd got a lot to sort out.
1015
00:53:05,879 --> 00:53:07,290
Because she said she'd
sorted it all out
1016
00:53:07,319 --> 00:53:09,242
and knows exactly what she's going to do.
1017
00:53:09,279 --> 00:53:12,328
And then she'd said to you
'Have you, Jude?'
1018
00:53:12,359 --> 00:53:15,408
And you said 'No I have not '
And she said 'Why?'
1019
00:53:15,439 --> 00:53:17,248
And you said, 'Because I'm not going to die '
1020
00:53:17,519 --> 00:53:19,601
THEY LAUGH
1021
00:53:20,199 --> 00:53:22,645
Which I know is true.
- Pathetic talk, isn't it?
1022
00:53:23,479 --> 00:53:25,368
It was a very chilling moment.
1023
00:53:27,439 --> 00:53:30,329
But she's got it all organised
and lots of people do.
1024
00:53:30,359 --> 00:53:33,727
EILEEN: And we don't.
- Shall we talk about something cheerier?
1025
00:53:33,759 --> 00:53:36,330
EILEEN: Yes, talk about
- JUDI: Yes.
1026
00:53:36,359 --> 00:53:37,599
I think so.
1027
00:53:38,079 --> 00:53:40,002
INTERVIEWER:
OK, here's something cheerier.
1028
00:53:40,039 --> 00:53:41,882
Can you talk about working
with your husbands?
1029
00:53:44,679 --> 00:53:46,522
Well, there's a dead silence there.
1030
00:53:48,079 --> 00:53:49,729
I'm just trying to think which one?
1031
00:53:49,759 --> 00:53:50,999
Which one?
1032
00:53:53,999 --> 00:53:56,127
Well, obviously mine was
the most difficult.
1033
00:53:57,399 --> 00:53:59,686
We all found him tricky
- Yeah.
1034
00:54:00,359 --> 00:54:02,805
It wasn't just you, Joan
1035
00:54:03,399 --> 00:54:04,730
THEY LAUGH
1036
00:54:04,759 --> 00:54:06,523
JOAN:
You weren't in the same position.
1037
00:54:06,559 --> 00:54:07,685
MAGGIE: No.
1038
00:54:11,839 --> 00:54:13,921
JOAN:
George Bean came and said
1039
00:54:13,959 --> 00:54:15,882
Look, we would like you
to play Jean Rice.'
1040
00:54:17,839 --> 00:54:20,763
Of course the lure of his name too.
1041
00:54:20,799 --> 00:54:26,488
Except you knew you couldn't
make much of a show on your own
1042
00:54:26,519 --> 00:54:30,888
and of course, the part wasn't
anything that was to shout about
1043
00:54:31,599 --> 00:54:33,249
but you'd be on stage
with somebody
1044
00:54:33,279 --> 00:54:35,600
who everybody will be looking at
not looking at you.
1045
00:54:36,839 --> 00:54:41,083
But, the lure of just being on
the same page
1046
00:54:41,119 --> 00:54:43,690
of a programme was great
1047
00:54:44,919 --> 00:54:47,320
Hey, tell me something, will you?
1048
00:54:48,519 --> 00:54:50,840
I want you to tell me something
- Mm.
1049
00:54:52,279 --> 00:54:57,365
Well, what would you say
to a man of my age
1050
00:54:59,639 --> 00:55:05,362
marrying a girl of about your age?
1051
00:55:06,679 --> 00:55:07,919
Oh, Dad.
1052
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:10,641
You're not serious
1053
00:55:11,399 --> 00:55:13,083
JOAN:
It was momentous...
1054
00:55:14,639 --> 00:55:16,482
Earth shattering for me.
1055
00:55:17,919 --> 00:55:19,887
A very, very strange experience.
1056
00:55:20,799 --> 00:55:24,690
Although it was a great privilege
to share in his life
1057
00:55:25,359 --> 00:55:31,207
as well as it being, you know,
a bit of a nightmare sometimes.
1058
00:55:31,319 --> 00:55:32,684
You married Sir Laurence Olivier
1059
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:34,608
just before he started
the National Theatre
1060
00:55:34,639 --> 00:55:37,006
and your career since then has
been very tied up
1061
00:55:37,039 --> 00:55:38,120
with the National Theatre
- Yes.
1062
00:55:38,159 --> 00:55:40,002
Do you feel because of that,
and because of the marriage
1063
00:55:40,039 --> 00:55:42,406
that you have lost opportunities
that you might have had otherwise
1064
00:55:42,439 --> 00:55:44,089
in other forms of theatre?
1065
00:55:45,759 --> 00:55:47,045
Well...
1066
00:55:47,839 --> 00:55:49,045
That's a
1067
00:55:49,759 --> 00:55:52,968
That's a very difficult question
to answer, Sheridan
1068
00:55:52,999 --> 00:55:54,489
because
1069
00:55:55,839 --> 00:55:56,806
You know
1070
00:56:00,359 --> 00:56:04,921
The actual burden of going on,
knowing that, you know
1071
00:56:04,959 --> 00:56:07,883
those who don't really go for you
1072
00:56:07,919 --> 00:56:09,887
are going to say,
Well, of course, you know
1073
00:56:10,319 --> 00:56:12,560
it's her husband
who put her up in it.
1074
00:56:12,599 --> 00:56:16,399
That was my sort of burden.
1075
00:56:19,159 --> 00:56:20,445
This is good news.
1076
00:56:21,399 --> 00:56:22,764
The best you have given me yet
1077
00:56:23,439 --> 00:56:26,522
I wish you joy of it, if you find it so.
1078
00:56:26,839 --> 00:56:28,762
EILEEN:
I don't remember working... Oh, yes,
1079
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:32,290
It was perfectly alright working
with my first husband
1080
00:56:32,319 --> 00:56:34,481
and my second one wasn't
an actor so...
1081
00:56:35,519 --> 00:56:36,361
Snap.
1082
00:56:42,839 --> 00:56:45,046
INTERVIEWER: What about
working with Robert, Maggie?
1083
00:56:45,079 --> 00:56:47,400
Well, that, yeah,
well, that was tricky.
1084
00:56:47,959 --> 00:56:54,285
A lot of times it was fine,
but then it really got very tricky
1085
00:56:54,319 --> 00:56:59,359
because he was not a well man
and that was hard
1086
00:56:59,399 --> 00:57:01,845
because you didn't know if
somebody was coming on stage
1087
00:57:01,879 --> 00:57:04,280
or if they were indeed,
what state they'd be in.
1088
00:57:05,519 --> 00:57:06,805
Do you want a cocktail?
1089
00:57:06,839 --> 00:57:07,965
There are two here
1090
00:57:08,999 --> 00:57:10,763
There are two over here as well
1091
00:57:11,359 --> 00:57:12,770
We'll have my two first.
1092
00:57:14,479 --> 00:57:16,800
Shall we get roaring, screaming drunk?
1093
00:57:16,839 --> 00:57:18,284
I don't think that would help.
1094
00:57:18,319 --> 00:57:20,367
We tried it once before
and it was dismal failure.
1095
00:57:20,399 --> 00:57:22,208
It was lovely at the beginning.
1096
00:57:22,559 --> 00:57:25,244
You have an immoral memory,
Amanda.
1097
00:57:25,999 --> 00:57:27,000
Here's to you
1098
00:57:28,599 --> 00:57:32,923
A lot of it was
very, very merry and lovely.
1099
00:57:34,279 --> 00:57:36,759
So I shall remember those bits.
1100
00:57:36,799 --> 00:57:38,767
JOAN: Yes, because
you were a golden couple.
1101
00:57:38,799 --> 00:57:41,166
We were a golden couple
- JUDI: You were.
1102
00:57:42,399 --> 00:57:46,040
Come back Jean, I need you.
1103
00:57:56,599 --> 00:57:59,205
INTERVIEWER: Judi, will you talk
a little bit about working with Michael?
1104
00:58:01,279 --> 00:58:02,280
Mm...
1105
00:58:06,679 --> 00:58:08,010
Y, nnn
1106
00:58:09,319 --> 00:58:11,845
MAGGIE:
How long did The
Fine Romance
1107
00:58:11,879 --> 00:58:13,608
and things like that,
how long did all those go on?
1108
00:58:13,639 --> 00:58:15,084
JUDI:
Oh, ages and ages and ages
1109
00:58:15,119 --> 00:58:16,530
JUDI:
This is a
fine romance
1110
00:58:19,719 --> 00:58:21,244
I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
1111
00:58:21,279 --> 00:58:22,565
Ow, that was my head!
1112
00:58:24,879 --> 00:58:26,563
JUDI:
Working with Mike
1113
00:58:26,599 --> 00:58:29,887
oh, we had the most wonderful time,
but he used to laugh.
1114
00:58:29,919 --> 00:58:31,489
Mikey was a terror.
1115
00:58:31,519 --> 00:58:34,125
I mean, I'm bad at corpsing
Mikey was very bad at it.
1116
00:58:36,079 --> 00:58:38,446
We did a
play called A Pack Of Lies
1117
00:58:39,679 --> 00:58:43,729
There was a long scene,
where Richard Vernon had to say...
1118
00:58:45,799 --> 00:58:47,289
Have you noticed a Vauxhall car
1119
00:58:48,919 --> 00:58:51,763
@@ lmMlmE=>@lf AW fl?“
1120
00:58:55,839 --> 00:58:57,364
And he said one day to us...
1121
00:58:58,679 --> 00:59:01,728
Have you noticed a Vauxhall car?
1122
00:59:02,879 --> 00:59:04,210
Registration number...
1123
00:59:06,519 --> 00:59:08,044
F1U1I2?“
1124
00:59:11,159 --> 00:59:12,843
We had to almost stop the play
1125
00:59:14,919 --> 00:59:17,160
INTERVIEWER:
Are you all going to work forever?
1126
00:59:18,519 --> 00:59:20,965
Well, I don't suppose one can
but I'd like to.
1127
00:59:20,999 --> 00:59:22,683
Well, I would work forever if I'm asked.
1128
00:59:22,719 --> 00:59:23,880
If we're asked.
1129
00:59:23,919 --> 00:59:25,648
If we're asked
- What?
1130
00:59:25,679 --> 00:59:28,410
If we're asked. We're going to
work forever if we're asked.
1131
00:59:28,439 --> 00:59:31,124
MAGGIE: But you're always
asked first, if I may say so.
1132
00:59:31,159 --> 00:59:34,163
No, don't turn.
- I'm turning on you now.
1133
00:59:35,359 --> 00:59:36,690
It's all coming out now.
1134
00:59:36,719 --> 00:59:38,130
One of my hearing aids has gone.
1135
00:59:38,159 --> 00:59:39,490
What were we just talking about?
1136
00:59:39,519 --> 00:59:40,930
Do you want one of mine?
- What?
1137
00:59:40,959 --> 00:59:42,449
Do you want one of mine?
1138
00:59:43,479 --> 00:59:44,685
No, it won't fit.
1139
00:59:45,039 --> 00:59:47,201
It's just what was
the last thing said?
1140
00:59:47,239 --> 00:59:49,321
JUDI: Are we going to go on
working forever Joan?
1141
00:59:49,359 --> 00:59:50,645
Oh, was that it?
1142
00:59:51,359 --> 00:59:55,489
And I said Jude gets all
the parts first, but we know that.
1143
00:59:55,519 --> 00:59:56,850
Oh, yeah, I tell you.
1144
00:59:56,879 --> 01:00:01,521
My agent in America said to me,
when he knew I couldn't do very much
1145
01:00:01,559 --> 01:00:03,163
because of the eyesight going.
1146
01:00:03,199 --> 01:00:06,601
And he said 'Well, if you do want
to come over again
1147
01:00:06,639 --> 01:00:10,724
we'll look around for a nice
little cameo that Judi Dench
1148
01:00:10,759 --> 01:00:12,568
hasn't got her paws on '
1149
01:00:12,599 --> 01:00:14,203
THEY LAUGH
1150
01:00:14,239 --> 01:00:15,604
How rude.
1151
01:00:15,639 --> 01:00:17,721
It's not rude at all.
- It's very, very rude.
1152
01:00:17,759 --> 01:00:20,490
Well, that's America
that's how they talk.
1153
01:00:22,879 --> 01:00:25,564
Why does every day involve
a fight with an American?
1154
01:00:40,279 --> 01:00:43,362
MAGGIE: I used to find the most
exhausting thing wearing those hats.
1155
01:00:44,599 --> 01:00:46,920
They're the heaviest things
in the world.
1156
01:00:46,959 --> 01:00:51,521
I had a hat,
it was like the Albert Hall.
1157
01:00:51,559 --> 01:00:55,086
It was this huge and so heavy.
1158
01:00:55,879 --> 01:00:59,167
I said please take it off
please take it off.
1159
01:00:59,599 --> 01:01:01,328
How many episodes were there?
1160
01:01:01,359 --> 01:01:02,884
I mean how many series?
Three?
1161
01:01:02,919 --> 01:01:04,683
I don't know. I don't know.
1162
01:01:04,719 --> 01:01:05,959
No, I think there was more.
1163
01:01:07,799 --> 01:01:09,483
I don't know, I haven't seen it.
1164
01:01:10,479 --> 01:01:12,004
I haven't seen it yet.
1165
01:01:13,199 --> 01:01:14,963
But they gave me a box set.
1166
01:01:14,999 --> 01:01:17,206
What?
- They gave me a box set.
1167
01:01:17,839 --> 01:01:19,284
But I haven't got time.
1168
01:01:19,839 --> 01:01:23,446
I shall have to hasten,
because I won't last long enough
1169
01:01:23,479 --> 01:01:25,163
to see the wretched thing, will I'?
1170
01:01:30,039 --> 01:01:33,521
INTERVIEWER: So, was Mrs
Brown
your first queen on film?
1171
01:01:34,279 --> 01:01:38,682
Mrs
Brown must have been
the first time, yes I played a queen.
1172
01:01:38,719 --> 01:01:40,721
I leave for Deeside
- The Queen forbids it.
1173
01:01:40,959 --> 01:01:44,486
JUDI:
And that really changed my career.
1174
01:01:45,159 --> 01:01:46,445
MAGGIE:
Mrs Brown?
1175
01:01:46,479 --> 01:01:49,767
Yeah, because I wasn't asked
to do anything in films.
1176
01:01:49,799 --> 01:01:52,564
I'd done a few films before that,
but very, very little.
1177
01:01:54,639 --> 01:01:56,050
Now they never stop
1178
01:01:56,079 --> 01:02:01,210
Without you I cannot find the strength
to be who I must be.
1179
01:02:03,799 --> 01:02:04,960
We-ass
1180
01:02:09,519 --> 01:02:12,250
INTERVIEWER: Can you talk about
being on really big film sets?
1181
01:02:12,759 --> 01:02:14,409
Like huge film sets?
1182
01:02:14,439 --> 01:02:17,124
Like the Bond film set or Harry Potter'?
1183
01:02:18,599 --> 01:02:20,567
As for you two gentlemen
1184
01:02:20,599 --> 01:02:23,125
I just hope you realise
how fortunate you are.
1185
01:02:24,159 --> 01:02:26,321
Not many first year students
could take on
1186
01:02:26,359 --> 01:02:29,090
a fully grown mountain troll
and live to tell the tale.
1187
01:02:29,959 --> 01:02:35,409
MAGGIE: Actually Alan Hickman and I
we just ran out of reaction shots.
1188
01:02:36,279 --> 01:02:38,600
Because they would always
shoot on the children first
1189
01:02:38,639 --> 01:02:39,800
not surprisingly
1190
01:02:39,839 --> 01:02:41,807
And then they turn round
and we'd be going...
1191
01:02:43,879 --> 01:02:46,325
Or listening, you know,
and it's absolutely extraordinary.
1192
01:02:46,359 --> 01:02:47,849
Who's this one here?
1193
01:02:47,959 --> 01:02:49,120
CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKS
1194
01:02:51,919 --> 01:02:53,330
I was just surprised
1195
01:02:53,359 --> 01:02:55,043
I thought that was part of
Harry Potter.
1196
01:02:55,079 --> 01:02:56,604
He did it really, really well
1197
01:02:57,759 --> 01:02:59,124
Are you a camera?
1198
01:02:59,159 --> 01:03:01,048
INTERVIEWER: You've met before
- I know.
1199
01:03:01,079 --> 01:03:02,490
We met yesterday
1200
01:03:02,959 --> 01:03:06,600
But you're always in the scene.
1201
01:03:08,679 --> 01:03:10,886
Would you like to come
and sit here?
1202
01:03:12,159 --> 01:03:14,969
I'm suddenly sort of aware
that you're there
1203
01:03:14,999 --> 01:03:16,649
more than anybody else.
1204
01:03:16,679 --> 01:03:17,726
MAN:
Would you like me to move?
1205
01:03:17,759 --> 01:03:19,249
I would love it if you moved.
1206
01:03:24,599 --> 01:03:27,842
I honestly think you've taken
an awful lot of photographs.
1207
01:03:27,879 --> 01:03:29,244
MAN:
Yes,lhave.
1208
01:03:29,279 --> 01:03:31,327
Yes.
- INTERVIEWER: It is his job to do that.
1209
01:03:31,359 --> 01:03:32,929
I know it is, darling, but
1210
01:03:34,119 --> 01:03:35,928
He's not going to be upset now?
1211
01:03:35,959 --> 01:03:37,040
MAN:
Of course not, no.
1212
01:03:37,079 --> 01:03:39,685
Look at him,
he's been there forever.
1213
01:03:39,719 --> 01:03:41,084
JUDI: He's going to go
and bang about a lot.
1214
01:03:41,119 --> 01:03:42,609
MAGGIE:
We've got quite enough here.
1215
01:03:44,439 --> 01:03:45,600
Oh.
1216
01:03:46,559 --> 01:03:48,049
For God's sake.
1217
01:03:49,879 --> 01:03:51,324
Just get out of the way
1218
01:03:52,119 --> 01:03:53,848
Don't you recognise the car?
- Madam.
1219
01:03:58,119 --> 01:03:59,609
MAGGIE:
Oh, talk about Bond.
1220
01:03:59,639 --> 01:04:01,801
I want to know how you do
covered in jewels.
1221
01:04:02,839 --> 01:04:04,364
I was never covered in jewels.
1222
01:04:04,399 --> 01:04:05,764
After it you were.
1223
01:04:05,799 --> 01:04:08,120
Afterwards, did you say?
1224
01:04:09,639 --> 01:04:11,721
JUDI:
It was Michael really who said...
1225
01:04:11,759 --> 01:04:14,922
because when I was asked to do it
I was kind of really taken aback
1226
01:04:14,959 --> 01:04:18,281
and Michael said 'I long to live
with a Bond woman,' he said.
1227
01:04:18,319 --> 01:04:20,890
'I long to, you have to do it '
1228
01:04:20,919 --> 01:04:23,490
My sons went to a little
preparatory school
1229
01:04:23,519 --> 01:04:24,964
not that far from here
1230
01:04:25,639 --> 01:04:28,210
where Kim Philby
was the main pupil.
1231
01:04:28,639 --> 01:04:30,129
JUDI:
Michael's hero.
1232
01:04:30,679 --> 01:04:31,885
MAGGIE:
Kim Philby?
1233
01:04:33,239 --> 01:04:36,129
JUDI: Have you ever seen
that bit of film with him
1234
01:04:36,159 --> 01:04:39,208
when he was suspected
of being a traitor
1235
01:04:39,239 --> 01:04:41,162
and he calls the press into his house?
1236
01:04:43,879 --> 01:04:45,404
REPORTER:
Well, if there was a third man
1237
01:04:45,439 --> 01:04:46,964
were you in fact the third man?
1238
01:04:46,999 --> 01:04:48,444
No, I was not.
1239
01:04:48,879 --> 01:04:50,085
REPORTER:
Do you think there was one?
1240
01:04:50,119 --> 01:04:51,245
No comment.
1241
01:04:52,399 --> 01:04:54,208
JUDI:
Every actor should look at that
1242
01:04:54,239 --> 01:04:55,081
MAGGIE
I know.
1243
01:04:55,119 --> 01:04:56,200
Because
1244
01:04:56,839 --> 01:05:01,322
Because, I mean, you cannot begin
to think for a minute
1245
01:05:01,359 --> 01:05:02,929
that he's lying
- I know.
1246
01:05:02,959 --> 01:05:05,530
And it was in his mother's flat
wasn't it?
1247
01:05:05,559 --> 01:05:08,244
JUDI: I think it was
- Mum was there
1248
01:05:08,279 --> 01:05:09,405
listening to all the lies.
1249
01:05:09,439 --> 01:05:11,726
And you think, of course
don't be so stupid
1250
01:05:11,759 --> 01:05:14,922
of course he's not duplicitous
in any way whatsoever.
1251
01:05:15,999 --> 01:05:17,239
Good, good acting
1252
01:05:17,639 --> 01:05:18,800
Good spying.
1253
01:05:20,039 --> 01:05:22,406
INTERVIEWER: Fear is a common
threat over the last two days.
1254
01:05:22,799 --> 01:05:23,721
Fear.
1255
01:05:23,759 --> 01:05:25,523
Fear is petrol.
- INTERVIEWER: It's the payoff.
1256
01:05:25,559 --> 01:05:26,890
Fear is petrol
- Yes.
1257
01:05:26,919 --> 01:05:28,569
Talk about that. That's amazing
- Fear.
1258
01:05:28,599 --> 01:05:29,680
Fear is what?
1259
01:05:29,719 --> 01:05:31,244
Fear is the petrol, isn't it?
1260
01:05:32,119 --> 01:05:36,010
Fear, you know, it generates
such an energy, fear
1261
01:05:36,039 --> 01:05:37,165
being frightened
- Yes.
1262
01:05:38,039 --> 01:05:40,963
That if you can somehow channel it
it can be a help.
1263
01:05:42,959 --> 01:05:43,881
INTERVIEWER
Really good.
1264
01:05:44,519 --> 01:05:45,759
OK, end board
1265
01:05:46,599 --> 01:05:49,489
I'm so sorry we are
very, very tired.
1266
01:05:49,519 --> 01:05:55,208
You know, so you have...
they've told you how old we are
1267
01:05:55,239 --> 01:05:56,081
haven't they?
1268
01:05:56,119 --> 01:05:57,484
INTERVI EWER:
I've been informed.
1269
01:05:57,519 --> 01:06:00,966
Nobody's told how old.
I'm not telling anybody.
1270
01:06:04,679 --> 01:06:06,761
INDISTINCT CHATTER
1271
01:06:17,879 --> 01:06:20,120
Do you think we ought to have
a glass of Champagne
1272
01:06:20,159 --> 01:06:21,320
round this one?
1273
01:06:21,359 --> 01:06:23,361
God, I could kill it
- Yes.
1274
01:06:23,399 --> 01:06:25,606
I think it's far too late.
1275
01:06:25,639 --> 01:06:28,609
Why didn't anybody think
of that a few hours ago?
1276
01:06:32,319 --> 01:06:35,368
Dame Ede had speaking teeth
and eating teeth.
1277
01:06:36,839 --> 01:06:39,319
And she used to go home
with her speaking teeth in
1278
01:06:39,359 --> 01:06:40,963
am when ph@1m@ am my
1279
01:06:40,999 --> 01:06:44,924
'You'll have to go and get my teeth
because I'm very hungry.'
1280
01:06:46,479 --> 01:06:48,208
She'd left them in
the dressing room?
1281
01:06:48,239 --> 01:06:50,890
Yes. So Diggy had to go and get them
from the dressing room...
1282
01:06:50,919 --> 01:06:52,842
Teeth? Did you say teeth?
1283
01:06:52,879 --> 01:06:55,883
She used to have speaking teeth
and eating teeth.
1284
01:06:56,959 --> 01:06:58,484
EILEEN:
And we think we're in trouble.
1285
01:06:58,519 --> 01:07:00,681
I mean, two lots of teeth
- MAGGIE: I know!
1286
01:07:01,839 --> 01:07:03,921
A handing?
1287
01:07:04,239 --> 01:07:07,368
She was always saying
'I am so lonely.'
1288
01:07:07,799 --> 01:07:09,324
Well, I know the feeling.
1289
01:07:10,159 --> 01:07:11,524
Don't you?
- Yeah.
1290
01:07:11,559 --> 01:07:13,049
Yes.
- But I...
1291
01:07:13,079 --> 01:07:15,241
But now, this is what I'm saying
the awful thing is...
1292
01:07:15,999 --> 01:07:19,321
I used to think awful things
about Dame Ede.
1293
01:07:19,359 --> 01:07:21,327
JOAN: Yeah.
- And I don't now.
1294
01:07:21,919 --> 01:07:23,648
CORK POPS
- JUDI: Oh, my goodness.
1295
01:07:24,199 --> 01:07:25,564
MAGGIE:
Are we doing anything?
1296
01:07:26,439 --> 01:07:27,645
We're drinking Champagne.
1297
01:07:27,679 --> 01:07:29,920
It's always worrying when you see
these guys, so look at them
1298
01:07:30,519 --> 01:07:31,964
sneaking up on you
- Look, look, look.
1299
01:07:31,999 --> 01:07:32,966
We have to have a sip.
1300
01:07:33,719 --> 01:07:35,801
Listen, listen.
- Are we talking?
1301
01:07:37,119 --> 01:07:38,803
MAGGIE:
What would you like to talk about?
1302
01:07:38,839 --> 01:07:40,329
No, I meant are we on yet?
1303
01:07:40,359 --> 01:07:42,487
We're waiting for Roger to shout
- Are we on yet?
1304
01:07:42,519 --> 01:07:44,806
Yeah, they never stop
- They never stop.
1305
01:07:44,839 --> 01:07:46,523
Oh, they never stop?
- Cheers to everybody.
1306
01:07:46,559 --> 01:07:48,004
EILEEN: To us
- Thank you.
1307
01:07:48,039 --> 01:07:49,279
To you, everyone
1308
01:07:49,919 --> 01:07:51,648
What?
- You're not having any.
1309
01:07:53,639 --> 01:07:56,722
Who?
- We're drinking our Champagne, Joan.
1310
01:07:56,759 --> 01:07:57,965
Alright)'
1311
01:08:01,719 --> 01:08:04,962
INTERVIEWER: What would your
advice be to your young selves?
1312
01:08:05,719 --> 01:08:08,450
Oh... Christ.
1313
01:08:08,679 --> 01:08:10,010
II mum my...
1314
01:08:11,399 --> 01:08:18,681
Get in touch with yoga or mindfulness
at quite an early age.
1315
01:08:20,679 --> 01:08:22,647
And learn about the brain
1316
01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:27,330
and what influence it has
on the body.
1317
01:08:27,359 --> 01:08:33,241
All those things that I've come
to be interested in later on in life
1318
01:08:33,279 --> 01:08:35,486
and could have done with doing earlier.
1319
01:08:37,039 --> 01:08:39,201
And I think Joan kind of leads...
1320
01:08:42,759 --> 01:08:46,081
ls a version of mine,
which I would say not to be
1321
01:08:46,959 --> 01:08:51,806
so very bad tempered
and confrontational.
1322
01:08:53,999 --> 01:08:55,046
JOAN:
Mm-hm.
1323
01:08:55,999 --> 01:08:57,410
And listen more.
1324
01:09:02,439 --> 01:09:03,600
WM, me?
1325
01:09:03,639 --> 01:09:04,481
EILEEN
Yes.
1326
01:09:06,279 --> 01:09:07,883
Honest to God I don't know
1327
01:09:08,679 --> 01:09:10,841
because most likely I wouldn't
be listening.
1328
01:09:11,439 --> 01:09:16,001
But I would say, when in doubt
don't.
1329
01:09:16,839 --> 01:09:17,726
:
Hm.
1330
01:09:18,679 --> 01:09:20,124
EILEEN:
That's good
1331
01:09:20,159 --> 01:09:21,763
I think I would.
1332
01:09:21,799 --> 01:09:23,608
It should be a motto, that.
1333
01:09:23,639 --> 01:09:25,721
I wish I knew the Latin of it.
1334
01:09:26,439 --> 01:09:28,885
What, 'When in doubt'?
- When in doubt, don't.
1335
01:09:30,719 --> 01:09:31,880
Jude.
1336
01:09:34,159 --> 01:09:38,448
I would say, try not to be so
susceptible to falling in love.
1337
01:09:39,439 --> 01:09:41,806
Quite so pathetic.
1338
01:09:42,239 --> 01:09:43,604
THEY LAUGH
1339
01:09:43,639 --> 01:09:44,765
BLEEN
Jude!
1340
01:09:49,319 --> 01:09:51,526
EILEEN:
No, be more susceptible.
1341
01:09:51,559 --> 01:09:52,560
No.
1342
01:09:53,319 --> 01:09:54,684
MAGGIE:
Less susceptible.
1343
01:09:58,559 --> 01:10:00,084
Well, whatever it is
1344
01:10:01,039 --> 01:10:02,450
it's too late.
1345
01:10:05,359 --> 01:10:07,123
What else? What else?
1346
01:10:07,159 --> 01:10:10,049
Somebody said it's too late.
- MAGGIE: I said it's too late.
1347
01:10:11,519 --> 01:10:13,123
Oh, it's never too late.
1348
01:10:13,159 --> 01:10:14,604
MAGGIE:
Oh, do stop, Joan.
1349
01:10:15,279 --> 01:10:17,646
You know it is.
- It's never too late to fall in love.
1350
01:10:23,359 --> 01:10:25,407
What is that out of'?
1351
01:10:25,439 --> 01:10:28,568
The Boyfriend?
-
The Salad Days, isn't
it?
1352
01:10:28,599 --> 01:10:30,761
Oh, is it The Boyfriend?
-
No, I
don't know.
1353
01:10:30,799 --> 01:10:32,722
JUDI:
I think The Boyfr/endit is, is it?
1354
01:10:32,839 --> 01:10:34,409
MUSIC: "Cello Suite No. 1"
by JS Bach
1355
01:10:35,719 --> 01:10:37,084
Oh, I'm so sorry.
1356
01:11:17,319 --> 01:11:21,324
You wrote criticisms of Laurence...
1357
01:11:22,679 --> 01:11:25,046
When you were at school,
you didn't think much of his...
1358
01:11:25,079 --> 01:11:27,207
Oh, I'd wrote to my parents, yes
1359
01:11:27,839 --> 01:11:29,967
He was Hamlet and...
1360
01:11:31,079 --> 01:11:33,446
yes, I had seen
Michael Redgrave first.
1361
01:11:36,479 --> 01:11:39,881
I wrote and said Laurence Olivier
was a bit ham.
1362
01:11:40,479 --> 01:11:42,208
Yeah.
- Hammy.
1363
01:11:42,239 --> 01:11:43,570
Did you ever tell him?
1364
01:11:43,919 --> 01:11:46,365
No, I didn't actually, no.
1365
01:11:47,239 --> 01:11:50,800
No, because, you know,
when you're in the throes of love
1366
01:11:50,839 --> 01:11:54,321
and swept off your feet, you don't
- No, I meant later, Joan.
1367
01:11:55,799 --> 01:11:58,530
I don't think I did later.
1368
01:11:59,479 --> 01:12:02,085
No, I'm sure I didn't.
1369
01:12:03,279 --> 01:12:04,883
JUDI:
Did you see him as Henry V?
1370
01:12:05,799 --> 01:12:08,120
I can remember being taken
in Plymouth to see it.
1371
01:12:10,799 --> 01:12:13,006
I just loved it.
I remember it so clearly.
1372
01:12:13,039 --> 01:12:15,201
I wrote to him apparently
1373
01:12:15,759 --> 01:12:19,969
and Tamsin found a school girl
diary of mine
1374
01:12:20,599 --> 01:12:23,648
which said,
Got a letter back from LO
1375
01:12:23,679 --> 01:12:26,364
You see, that's what I was saying
1376
01:12:26,399 --> 01:12:29,403
That's what you was saying
not writing to my parents.
1377
01:12:29,439 --> 01:12:30,645
MAGGIE
No.
1378
01:12:31,759 --> 01:12:32,760
Yes
1379
01:12:33,079 --> 01:12:36,128
That was saying how much
I'd loved it, of course.
1380
01:12:36,559 --> 01:12:38,049
JUDI:
Have you got the letter?
1381
01:12:38,079 --> 01:12:39,205
MAGGIE:
So it was a fan letter?
1382
01:12:39,239 --> 01:12:42,925
Yes, it was a fan letter
and I got this letter back
1383
01:12:42,959 --> 01:12:45,200
which I know now was
from Dorothy Welford.
1384
01:12:45,239 --> 01:12:46,479
THEY LAUGH
1385
01:12:46,519 --> 01:12:48,283
mm “
1386
01:12:49,879 --> 01:12:51,563
With a stamped
1387
01:12:54,759 --> 01:12:57,000
Which thousands of school girls got.
1388
01:12:59,479 --> 01:13:02,528
I know Maggie had a tough time
with him on occasions.
1389
01:13:02,559 --> 01:13:05,449
Well, we do know that
- Oh, no, come on.
1390
01:13:05,479 --> 01:13:07,561
No tougher than with a lot of actors.
1391
01:13:07,599 --> 01:13:10,489
No, you were also, you know...
1392
01:13:10,719 --> 01:13:14,769
my kids called on you when I was away
1393
01:13:14,799 --> 01:13:16,642
when he was suddenly taken ill again.
1394
01:13:17,199 --> 01:13:20,248
You came round and held his hand.
1395
01:13:20,279 --> 01:13:23,840
Yes.
- You did, in my absence
1396
01:13:23,879 --> 01:13:25,802
This hand held the hand.
1397
01:13:25,839 --> 01:13:27,523
JOAN LAUGHS
Yes.
1398
01:13:28,359 --> 01:13:31,602
EILEEN: I remember him saying to me,
I had a bit in Semi-Detached
1399
01:13:31,639 --> 01:13:34,882
where I had to go off stage,
run upstairs, run down again
1400
01:13:34,919 --> 01:13:36,205
and come on stage.
1401
01:13:36,239 --> 01:13:40,528
And he said to me,
'You're always a fraction late
1402
01:13:40,959 --> 01:13:43,041
And I said,
'Well, that's how long it takes me.
1403
01:13:43,079 --> 01:13:45,650
I do it as quickly as I can
to run up the stairs
1404
01:13:45,679 --> 01:13:47,283
outside the door and down again
1405
01:13:47,319 --> 01:13:50,323
And he said, 'My dear, it's an illusion.
1406
01:13:50,359 --> 01:13:53,169
You don't have to run up the stairs'.
1407
01:13:54,239 --> 01:13:58,563
I remember going to see a play
in New York with an English actor
1408
01:13:58,599 --> 01:14:02,160
when the notices had paid a lot of
attention to a great cry
1409
01:14:02,199 --> 01:14:04,406
he did at the end of the second act
or something
1410
01:14:04,439 --> 01:14:07,010
and the night we were there
it didn't happen
1411
01:14:07,039 --> 01:14:09,167
and we went round to see
him and said
1412
01:14:09,199 --> 01:14:10,689
you know, 'Where was it?'
1413
01:14:11,119 --> 01:14:13,520
He said 'I felt I couldn't reach it
1414
01:14:14,119 --> 01:14:16,645
and I didn't want to
give the audience a lie.
1415
01:14:17,999 --> 01:14:19,046
JUDI:
Oh my.
1416
01:14:19,079 --> 01:14:20,649
But then I said well, you know
1417
01:14:20,679 --> 01:14:23,000
'The whole thing from
beginning to end is a lie
1418
01:14:23,039 --> 01:14:26,043
After all, Hamlet does get up
and take a curtail call.
1419
01:14:27,039 --> 01:14:29,121
So there was a whole argument
going on then.
1420
01:14:30,519 --> 01:14:32,681
Oh, well, maybe you should just
try the cry
1421
01:14:32,719 --> 01:14:34,847
whether you're in the mood or not.
1422
01:14:34,879 --> 01:14:36,529
You should be in the mood
is the answer.
1423
01:14:36,559 --> 01:14:37,640
It's acting
1424
01:14:38,479 --> 01:14:39,969
You find the way
1425
01:14:39,999 --> 01:14:40,966
Yes
1426
01:14:42,039 --> 01:14:45,009
To make it happen
and appear spontaneous.
1427
01:14:45,959 --> 01:14:50,886
And that's the difference between
actual truth and illusion.
1428
01:14:54,799 --> 01:14:56,563
BIRDS SING OUTSIDE
1429
01:15:07,799 --> 01:15:08,880
mm.
1430
01:15:10,879 --> 01:15:12,290
I'm lost for words.
1431
01:15:12,319 --> 01:15:14,208
MAGGIE:
I have nothing left to say.
1432
01:15:18,599 --> 01:15:20,522
CROWD CHEERS
1433
01:15:22,479 --> 01:15:25,403
MUSIC: "Honky Tonk Women"
by The Rolling Stones
1434
01:15:41,679 --> 01:15:46,207
# I met a gin-soaked,
bar-room queen in Memphis
1435
01:15:49,919 --> 01:15:55,164
# She tried to take me upstairs
for a ride
1436
01:15:58,119 --> 01:16:03,125
# She had to heave me
right across shoulder
1437
01:16:05,999 --> 01:16:10,960
# Cause I just can't seem
to drink you off my mind
1438
01:16:14,079 --> 01:16:19,245
# It's the honky tonk women
1439
01:16:22,679 --> 01:16:26,729
# Gimme, gimme, gimme
the honky tonk blues
#
1440
01:16:50,239 --> 01:16:52,082
JUDI:
Our revels now are ended.
1441
01:16:52,839 --> 01:16:55,365
These our actors as I foretold you
1442
01:16:55,999 --> 01:16:59,640
were all spirits and are melted
into air?
1443
01:17:00,439 --> 01:17:02,168
Into thin air?
1444
01:17:03,679 --> 01:17:06,364
And like the baseless fabric
of this vision
1445
01:17:07,359 --> 01:17:09,521
the cloud-capped towers
1446
01:17:09,559 --> 01:17:13,245
the gorgeous palaces,
the solemn temples
1447
01:17:13,279 --> 01:17:15,008
the great globe itself
1448
01:17:15,639 --> 01:17:19,883
yea all which it inherit
shall dissolve.
1449
01:17:20,999 --> 01:17:24,560
And like this insubstantial
pageant faded
1450
01:17:25,479 --> 01:17:28,244
leave not a rack behind.
1451
01:17:30,719 --> 01:17:33,290
We are such stuff as dreams
are made on
1452
01:17:34,799 --> 01:17:38,565
and our little life
is rounded with a sleep
1453
01:17:48,039 --> 01:17:50,041
I hope you're getting
the others to do this.
1454
01:17:50,079 --> 01:17:51,683
ROGER: Yes, we are
- Roger.
1455
01:17:51,719 --> 01:17:53,562
For you, I promise
1456
01:17:53,599 --> 01:17:55,203
You swear?
1457
01:17:55,239 --> 01:17:56,479
I swear.
- You swear?
1458
01:17:56,519 --> 01:17:57,759
I swear
1459
01:18:01,439 --> 01:18:02,964
Dame Judi Dench, Dame Judi Dench
1460
01:18:02,999 --> 01:18:06,048
Dame Judi Dench, Dame Judi Dench
Dame Judi Dench.
1461
01:18:06,079 --> 01:18:08,844
Dame Judi Dench, Dame Judi Dench
Dame Judi Dench.
1462
01:18:08,879 --> 01:18:11,405
Dame Judi Dench, Dame Judi Dench
Dame Judi Dench.
1463
01:18:11,439 --> 01:18:13,362
Dame Judi Dench, Dame Judi Dench
1464
01:18:13,399 --> 01:18:16,767
Dame Judi Dench, Dame Judi Dench
Jane Doobie Dench.
1465
01:18:16,799 --> 01:18:18,324
SHE LAUGHS
1466
01:18:18,359 --> 01:18:20,248
I like Jane Doobie Jench.
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