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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,840 --> 00:00:03,160 WOMAN: Could you raise your hand, please? 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:05,080 Do you solemnly swear the testimony you're about to give 3 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:07,400 in the matter now pending shall be the truth, the whole truth 4 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:08,760 and nothing but the truth? Yes, ma'am. 5 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:12,480 MAN: Could you please state your full name? 6 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:15,360 I'm Jeffrey Edward Epstein. 7 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:16,560 And my residence address is 8 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:19,840 6100 Red Hook Boulevard in Virgin Islands. 9 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:21,600 Have you ever been convicted of a crime? 10 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:23,280 Yes. 11 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:29,160 NARRATOR: The sex crimes of millionaire financier Jeffrey Epstein 12 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:30,560 are appalling... 13 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:32,600 FEMALE: 14 00:00:35,480 --> 00:00:38,560 ..more than 100 vulnerable teenagers and young women 15 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:41,080 trapped in his depraved web. 16 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:42,680 FEMALE: 17 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:46,040 Tonight, The Epstein Files, 18 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:49,080 the latest on who knew what 19 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:52,680 in the biggest sex-trafficking ring in history. 20 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:59,200 His elite circle of the wealthy and powerful on notice 21 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:03,360 as thousands of damning new court documents are unsealed. 22 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:05,400 WOMAN: They will contain the names of people 23 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:07,440 associated with Jeffrey Epstein... 24 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:10,120 Prince Andrew and the former President Bill Clinton 25 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:11,240 have been named... 26 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:13,080 More are expected to come out... 27 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:17,640 In the last few weeks, they've linked Epstein to some very famous names 28 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:21,080 and exposed some very sordid details. 29 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:23,320 There are videos that exist. 30 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:25,840 We've been investigating the scandal 31 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:29,200 since Jeffrey Epstein's death in 2019. 32 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:32,720 This is where Jeffrey Epstein served his sentence. 33 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:35,640 That he can still shock is extraordinary. 34 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:38,080 I won't stop fighting. I will never be silenced. 35 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:42,320 As you'll see, this monster's tentacles continue to reach... 36 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:45,040 from beyond the grave. 37 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:54,120 MAN: What was the crime of which you were convicted? 38 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:57,240 Two counts. 39 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:01,880 One, soliciting prostitution and procuring a minor for prostitution. 40 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:05,440 Did you, in fact, commit those acts? 41 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:08,200 I'm going to invoke my Fifth Amendment right. 42 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:10,680 Refusing to answer lawyers 43 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:12,680 on the grounds he might incriminate himself, 44 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:15,320 Epstein thought his own silence 45 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:17,520 would protect him forever. 46 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:21,200 How many times have you solicited a minor for prostitution? 47 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:22,960 Same answer. 48 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:25,760 How many times have you solicited a minor for prostitution 49 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:26,880 in the state of Florida? 50 00:02:26,920 --> 00:02:27,920 Same answer. 51 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:31,840 Have you ever solicited a minor for prostitution in the Virgin Islands? 52 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:33,480 Same answer. 53 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:36,240 Have you ever solicited for prostitution in New York? 54 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:38,160 Same answer. 55 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:41,680 Have you ever solicited for prostitution in New Mexico? 56 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:43,120 Same answer. 57 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:45,920 Have you ever solicited for prostitution in Paris? 58 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:47,480 Same answer. 59 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:51,840 Have you ever solicited a minor for prostitution anywhere at any time? 60 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:53,560 Again, I'm gonna assert my right. 61 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:55,120 Have you ever... 62 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:56,680 MAN: We're gonna go off the record, thanks. 63 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:58,880 So you are terminating the deposition at this time? 64 00:02:58,920 --> 00:03:00,400 We have a recess in the deposition. 65 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:07,080 TARA BROWN: With his death by suicide in 2019 66 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:10,320 and the jailing of his former lover and right-hand woman 67 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:12,960 Ghislaine Maxwell two years ago, 68 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:16,840 Epstein's associates may well have thought the scandal was over... 69 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:20,480 but after a decade of legal wrangling, 70 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:24,160 more than 150 people have been publicly identified, 71 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:28,200 linked to Epstein and his sex-trafficking network. 72 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:34,240 He was a brilliant manipulator, 73 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:39,640 not just of vulnerable girls and women. 74 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:45,760 He was a brilliant manipulator of powerful men. 75 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:49,120 A really heinous crime on an absolutely massive scale 76 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:52,640 that was allowed to continue and continue and continue. 77 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:01,440 EPSTEIN: 78 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:14,680 Jeffrey Epstein's vast wealth gave him access to whatever he wanted. 79 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:19,520 As we now know, the globe-trotting multi-millionaire created a network 80 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:23,840 where young women were supplied to him wherever he went. 81 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:25,880 EPSTEIN: 82 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:43,040 And with his own plane and plush properties all over the world, 83 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:47,840 he felt free to abuse in the privacy of his various homes. 84 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:53,000 This is New York, this is Palm Beach, this is California, 85 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:56,200 this is Paris, this is London... 86 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:58,480 This is wherever Epstein was touching down. 87 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:01,600 He needed to have girls on constant call. 88 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:05,000 In every single state or every place that he goes to, 89 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:08,000 he's already got people lined up and makers making that happen. 90 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:12,960 None of this would ever have seen the light of day 91 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,440 if it wasn't for Virginia Giuffre. 92 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:20,080 Her allegations of sexual abuse against Epstein, Maxwell 93 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:22,400 and famously, Prince Andrew 94 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:25,800 have fascinated and repulsed the world. 95 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:31,320 In 2015, Virginia sued Maxwell for defamation. 96 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:34,320 These latest documents are, in the main, 97 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:37,600 sworn statements collected for that case. 98 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:42,040 It's hard. It's really hard being back here. 99 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,840 We met Virginia five years ago 100 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:47,040 when she bravely returned for the first time 101 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:51,120 to the Epstein mansion in Manhattan. 102 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:55,960 I was abused by people that I can't even mention here. 103 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:59,120 There's a lot of scars hidden behind those walls. 104 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:04,960 (CRIES) 105 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:10,840 It should be ripped down. It should be burned to the ground. 106 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:14,160 (CRIES) 107 00:06:15,840 --> 00:06:18,600 Some of my worst memories are from this place. 108 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:27,680 I continue to be shocked by just how awful this story is. 109 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:30,800 The damage that was done to these women 110 00:06:30,840 --> 00:06:36,160 is incredibly hard to even express. 111 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:38,600 This has been completely life-altering for them. 112 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:42,240 It's incredibly unfair that this was allowed to happen with impunity 113 00:06:42,280 --> 00:06:43,880 for so long. 114 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:48,360 Lucia Osborne-Crowley is a journalist and author 115 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:51,520 who has long covered the Epstein case. 116 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:55,720 She believes the significance of the new Epstein files 117 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:58,240 can't be overstated. 118 00:06:58,280 --> 00:07:01,080 It's really important that we understand the difference 119 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:03,400 between having these allegations swirl around 120 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:05,680 and seeing that people were willing to swear to them 121 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:07,240 under penalty of perjury. 122 00:07:07,280 --> 00:07:08,960 It's an incredibly hard thing to do 123 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:12,040 and they were all willing to do it and to swear to the truth of it. 124 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:15,680 Lucia also had a front-row seat 125 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:19,040 when victims testified against Epstein's co-conspirator 126 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:20,640 Ghislaine Maxwell 127 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:25,400 when she was convicted for sex trafficking in 2022. 128 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:28,080 A lot of what Jeffrey Epstein got away with, 129 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:34,000 he wouldn't have been able to do without her helping to recruit, 130 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:37,680 groom and entice underage girls. 131 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:40,160 But she wasn't just the organiser, was she? 132 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:42,720 She was also an abuser herself. Yes. 133 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:47,160 So we also heard at trial from multiple victims 134 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:49,560 that she was in the room when the abuse was happening 135 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:51,480 and that she engaged in the abuse herself. 136 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:55,520 But the documents released by the court 137 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:58,320 put the spotlight on the role played by others 138 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:00,480 in Jeffrey Epstein's inner sanctum. 139 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:02,600 The most controversial revelation 140 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:05,520 comes from emails sent by Sarah Ransome, 141 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:08,480 who was abused and trafficked by Epstein. 142 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:14,480 Those emails claim she has seen video recordings made by Epstein 143 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:20,000 of an unnamed friend having sex with Bill Clinton, Prince Andrew 144 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:21,520 and Richard Branson. 145 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:25,600 All three men vehemently refute the allegation 146 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:30,600 and in the past, even Sarah has denied the existence of the tapes. 147 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:34,600 But just two weeks ago, she stood by her original claim 148 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:36,960 in a Zoom call with 'Good Morning Britain'. 149 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:40,040 SARAH RANSOME: It's no secret that everything was recorded. 150 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:43,080 I've also seen recordings in his office. 151 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:44,800 There are videos that exist. 152 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:50,840 The people that know they exist, I'm sure, 153 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:53,920 are very frightened of them being released. 154 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:59,120 Fear may also explain the resounding silence 155 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:04,000 from others named in this recent mass release of documents. 156 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:07,640 According to thousands of pages of sworn statements 157 00:09:07,680 --> 00:09:09,640 by women abused by Epstein, 158 00:09:09,680 --> 00:09:13,760 the men now in the headlines are potential witnesses. 159 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:19,400 They place them at the locations where the abuse commonly took place. 160 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:21,080 The vast majority, 161 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:23,440 including all the names that we're hearing about the most, 162 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:26,640 there are no allegations of criminality. 163 00:09:26,680 --> 00:09:29,800 They are just listed as potential witnesses. 164 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:33,600 If these people are not being accused of any wrongdoing, 165 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:35,400 why have they been named? 166 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:39,040 The question is what they saw, who they met, 167 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:40,920 what questions they asked themselves 168 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:47,000 about why girls of that age would be in any of the Epstein homes 169 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:49,440 and if they didn't ask themselves questions about that, 170 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:52,200 why didn't they ask themselves questions about that? 171 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:55,680 The documents also shed light 172 00:09:55,720 --> 00:10:00,040 on the alleged dark motivation of Epstein's sex trafficking - 173 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:04,000 to get dirt on some of the world's most influential people. 174 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:06,440 There is, for the first time, 175 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:10,720 the idea that he was quizzing the girls 176 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:15,520 he sent to famous people for details of what happened, 177 00:10:15,560 --> 00:10:17,000 for blackmail purposes. 178 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:20,640 That has always been the suspicion, 179 00:10:20,680 --> 00:10:25,880 that this man had cameras everywhere, 180 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,720 that he kept blackmail tapes. 181 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:30,480 That was his leverage. 182 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:46,360 So, I heard about Jeffrey Epstein 183 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:51,400 sort of on the social Upper East Side grapevine in New York 184 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:55,480 for a couple of years around the end of the 1990s 185 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:58,240 and early 2000s. 186 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:02,040 You know, he was a figure of mystery 187 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:05,000 in that all people really knew about him 188 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:09,000 was he had kind of out of nowhere 189 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:13,800 bought the biggest townhouse in Manhattan 190 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:17,800 and this guy who no-one really knew very much about, 191 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:20,880 he seemed to be a bit of a recluse. 192 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:23,480 He was known to be unconventional. 193 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:25,720 People thought he was very good-looking 194 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:30,640 and the only thing that people really knew about him, 195 00:11:30,680 --> 00:11:33,920 his sort of connector to the outside world 196 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:37,840 was somebody I knew - it was Ghislaine Maxwell. 197 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:44,880 TARA BROWN: With her link to English socialite Ghislaine Maxwell, 198 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:49,160 Vicky Ward was the ideal journalist to profile Jeffrey Epstein. 199 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:52,760 Her task in 2002 200 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:58,480 was to investigate the man behind the $500 million fortune. 201 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:01,840 My then boss at 'Vanity Fair' magazine, Graydon Carter, 202 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:04,600 phoned me up and he said, you know, 203 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:08,160 "I've been hearing about this guy for years. 204 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:12,760 "Nobody knows who he is, where he got his money from, 205 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:14,520 "what his deal is" 206 00:12:14,560 --> 00:12:16,880 and that was how it all began. 207 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:22,240 But what started as a business story quickly turned sinister. 208 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:26,680 He liked to have parties with young women 209 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:29,360 but given that he was a very wealthy... 210 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:33,480 at the time, you know, good-looking bachelor in his 50s, 211 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:39,600 that didn't seem in itself on the surface so peculiar. 212 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:44,760 But then I met this woman, Maria Farmer, 213 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:48,000 and she told me that she had worked for Jeffrey Epstein. 214 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:54,760 No-one immediately recognised how significant Maria Farmer would become 215 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:55,920 in the Epstein story, 216 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:58,240 certainly not the authorities, 217 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:01,800 when, in 1996, she was the very first to report 218 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:05,760 Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell to the FBI. 219 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:08,480 MARIA FARMER: Ghislaine came in to get me one evening. 220 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:11,440 Ghislaine escorts me to Jeffrey's room 221 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:16,200 and he's lying there and he goes, "Well, here, sit down," you know. 222 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:17,400 And so, right next to him. 223 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:21,560 And then Ghislaine sit on the other side and they began assaulting me. 224 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:26,240 But really, while I was lying there, the whole time, I'm thinking, 225 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:28,640 "My sister's been around these people." 226 00:13:28,680 --> 00:13:31,320 My sister was 16. "She's been around them alone." 227 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:34,920 Maria's fears were well-based. 228 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:40,160 Her younger sister Annie had also been abused by the paedophile pair. 229 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:43,240 And it was the worst thing that's ever happened to me. 230 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:47,240 But in a pattern that would be set in the decades ahead, 231 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:51,960 Maria's complaint of sexual abuse against her and Annie to police 232 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:53,520 was ignored. 233 00:13:53,560 --> 00:13:56,280 They just kept it all quiet, put it in the bottom drawer 234 00:13:56,320 --> 00:14:00,360 and they were so dismissive that I just felt daunted and I stopped. 235 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:03,520 For more than 25 years, 236 00:14:03,560 --> 00:14:07,240 Maria Farmer has been filling her canvas with the Epstein story, 237 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:10,960 a tale of horror that began in 1995 238 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:14,600 when, as a gifted student at the New York Academy of Art, 239 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:17,680 she met Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell. 240 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:22,600 Epstein gave her a job - to buy art for his New York mansion. 241 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:25,920 As well, she became an unwitting witness 242 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:28,880 to a steady stream of teenagers and young women 243 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:31,480 through Epstein's front door. 244 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:34,000 And shockingly, she had direct evidence 245 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:39,320 of Maxwell scouting girls for the insatiable millionaire. 246 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:41,160 What did you witness? 247 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:43,600 So, several times, I was in the car with her 248 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:46,680 and she would ask the driver to stop the car 249 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:49,640 and she'd dash across to the school or the park 250 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:51,280 or wherever she was going 251 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:53,040 and she would, like, write down her phone number 252 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:55,000 for a child, a young girl 253 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:56,960 and then I'd see that child at the house 254 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:59,400 and she'd say, "They're auditioning," you know. 255 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:00,760 "I found a model in the park." 256 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:02,360 And I thought it was really strange 257 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:04,280 because I did see a couple of girls in braces 258 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:05,840 and I've never seen a model with braces. 259 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:14,840 Do you reflect on how different life would be for so many women today 260 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:21,200 if the FBI had investigated your complaints in 1996? 261 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:22,920 Yeah. 262 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:24,360 They... Yeah. 263 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:28,440 I think about it all the time. I do. And it hurts a lot. 264 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:30,440 And I never had children because of it... (CRIES) 265 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:33,000 because I didn't feel like they would be safe. 266 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:38,800 It would be another six years 267 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:42,840 before the Farmer sisters would again contemplate speaking openly 268 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:45,720 about their experiences with Jeffrey Epstein. 269 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:51,320 When they met with journalist Vicky Ward in 2002, 270 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:53,920 Maria and Annie were nervous. 271 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:58,240 Did it take a lot for you to convince them to open up to you, 272 00:15:58,280 --> 00:15:59,920 to talk on public record? 273 00:15:59,960 --> 00:16:01,040 VICKY WARD: It did. 274 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:04,680 There's no question they were very afraid 275 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:08,360 of these very powerful people 276 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:14,480 and I felt that at least 'Vanity Fair' magazine 277 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:18,640 was also powerful by us publishing their allegations 278 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:21,680 that would afford them protection. 279 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:25,560 And so, I think that we all proceeded... 280 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:29,320 under that premise 281 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:35,120 and unfortunately, that premise got exploded in the worst possible way. 282 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:38,040 What blew it up? What happened? 283 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:41,560 Well, what happened, as this piece was going forward 284 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:44,840 and I had to finally put all the allegations 285 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:50,040 both of the business staff and the Farmers' allegations 286 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:53,000 to Jeffrey and Ghislaine, 287 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:56,040 they, in their different ways, went completely berserk. 288 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:02,880 Epstein was instantly menacing, 289 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:08,520 a man prepared to bully and intimidate to save himself. 290 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:13,960 He treated the entire thing 291 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:15,800 as a game, 292 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:20,280 a really dark, twisted game. 293 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:24,240 He even said to me at the beginning, "OK, let's play chess. 294 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:27,800 "I'll be black, you be white. You get the first move." 295 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:31,280 And from there, 296 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:35,520 it descended into a sort of horrific game of cat-and-mouse. 297 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:37,120 He would phone me every day 298 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:41,400 and then he told me that if he didn't like what I was gonna write, 299 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:45,280 he was gonna have his witchdoctor place a curse 300 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:48,400 on my unborn children 301 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:50,600 and that that was off the record. 302 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:56,920 Then he told me he was going to sue me and ruin me personally 303 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:01,200 and I was just really frightened of what this man could do. 304 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:04,000 So, even though the threats he was making against you 305 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:05,320 were quite preposterous, 306 00:18:05,360 --> 00:18:06,360 you took him seriously? 307 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:09,400 Like, you were generally frightened? 308 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:11,880 Yeah, because at the end of all of this, 309 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:17,520 at the end of months of digging, meeting the Farmer sisters, 310 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:22,360 there was still this question mark - who is this guy? 311 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:24,040 But it only got worse 312 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:28,080 when Epstein made a personal visit to Vicky's boss at the time, 313 00:18:28,120 --> 00:18:30,640 the editor in chief of 'Vanity Fair'. 314 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:33,240 Epstein got the result he demanded - 315 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:36,080 Maria and Annie Farmer's allegations 316 00:18:36,120 --> 00:18:41,400 were cut from the story that went to print in late 2002. 317 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:44,920 So, as the journalist who had uncovered these allegations 318 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:47,920 and convinced these sisters to go public, 319 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:49,280 what was your reaction 320 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:52,800 to see that your work was not in your article? 321 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:59,240 Well, I remember bursting into tears 322 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:04,000 and saying to the person who was directly my editor, 323 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:07,520 "We've exposed these poor women. I mean, this is unconscionable." 324 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:10,960 But was it a reflection also of an abuse of power? 325 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:12,360 I mean, if Jeffrey Epstein's... Yes. 326 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:13,880 ..walked into the editor in chief's office... 327 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:15,440 Yeah, I mean, of course. 328 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:17,000 ..he wasn't there to say hello, was he? 329 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:18,040 Of course. 330 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:23,600 2002 was an era in which Jeffrey Epstein and other predators, 331 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:26,280 you know, Harvey Weinstein, were running the world 332 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:29,720 and women everywhere weren't speaking up 333 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:34,320 and the idea that two men would have a meeting 334 00:19:34,360 --> 00:19:37,480 after which these allegations would get pulled, 335 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:40,280 I mean, you know, in the world we live in now, 336 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:42,920 you know, it's monstrous. 337 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:45,680 Vicky's boss, Graydon Carter, 338 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:50,040 denies being influenced or intimidated by Epstein 339 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:52,960 but either way, the 'Vanity Fair' story 340 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:58,280 didn't go anywhere near exposing the depths of Epstein's depravity. 341 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:02,720 I only got the very, very, very tip of that iceberg. 342 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:05,080 I didn't get to the den of iniquity 343 00:20:05,120 --> 00:20:09,600 that we now know was really going on 344 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:12,160 behind Jeffrey Epstein's closed walls 345 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:16,320 in the mansion in New York and on his island and in Palm Beach. 346 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:25,080 OSBORNE-CROWLEY: Around that mansion, 347 00:20:25,120 --> 00:20:28,440 that's where this part of the sex trafficking ring 348 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:29,920 really kind of came to life. 349 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:36,520 TARA BROWN: Palm Beach Florida is home to some of the wealthiest people 350 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:37,640 in America, 351 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:41,000 an exclusive enclave for the rich and powerful, 352 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:44,400 including former president Donald Trump. 353 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:50,680 Jeffrey Epstein's luxurious home here graced the foreshore, 354 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:55,440 its white walls and inscrutable exterior hiding a dark truth, 355 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:57,880 a place where it's estimated 356 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:00,720 more than 100 girls were tricked and abused, 357 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:03,840 their lives changed in an instant. 358 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:08,160 WOMAN: At 14, I was still in middle school. 359 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:09,800 I was straight-A student. 360 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:11,440 Never even got a B. 361 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:13,920 I played the first chair trumpet, 362 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:16,480 I was the captain of the cheerleading squad 363 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:20,560 and then after I met Jeffrey, I just completely quit. 364 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:24,840 This is where you were living for a while? 365 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:28,160 Yes, this is where I was living when I met Jeffrey Epstein. 366 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:31,360 Epstein was 48 367 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:36,040 when a teenaged Courtney Wild entered his orbit in 2001. 368 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:39,440 At the time, she was living in this trailer park, 369 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:43,320 one of West Palm Beach's poorest communities. 370 00:21:43,360 --> 00:21:46,160 Do you believe that Jeffrey Epstein targeted areas like this? 371 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:51,320 Yeah, definitely targeted, you know, children like myself 372 00:21:51,360 --> 00:21:54,200 that were vulnerable to him and his money 373 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:59,120 and we felt like we were being helped and saved by him 374 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:01,960 but ultimately he was just preying on us. 375 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,840 As Courtney told me in 2019, 376 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:10,200 her experience started when she was brought to the millionaire 377 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:14,160 by another 14-year-old to make much-needed cash. 378 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,360 The trap had been set. 379 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:18,840 What were you expecting to happen? 380 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:20,840 Why did you think you were coming here? 381 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:24,720 Well, I knew that I was coming here to give a guy a massage 382 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:26,360 and to make $200. 383 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:27,600 I did know that. 384 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:33,920 It was never told to me that I would be molested by this man 385 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:35,040 or anything like that. 386 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:38,360 Inside, Courtney very soon discovered 387 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:43,640 the massage was cover for a terrible, well-rehearsed crime. 388 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:44,920 We were taken upstairs. 389 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:50,320 There was, like, a circular stairwell that led to a hallway 390 00:22:50,360 --> 00:22:52,160 that led to his bedroom, 391 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:56,520 which the massage table was in his bedroom/bathroom. 392 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:58,480 You know, he asked us to get comfortable, 393 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:01,600 to just, you know, take our clothes off, to be in our bra and panties. 394 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,240 Were you abused during that session? 395 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:07,800 And so, we would massage him for about 30 minutes 396 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,560 and then, whenever he was ready, you know, rolled over 397 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:14,320 and asked the person that brought me to go downstairs and wait 398 00:23:14,360 --> 00:23:20,920 and once that happened, then that's when the sexual abuse happened, yes. 399 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,880 You're 14 and in a completely alien situation, 400 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:26,640 an incomprehensible position. 401 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:27,880 How did you react? 402 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:32,880 I just remember afterwards how I felt walking down the stairs 403 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,240 and I just felt so dirty 404 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:40,760 and so, like...just like a piece of me had been taken. 405 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:44,640 Dirty. I felt... It was like my dirty little secret. 406 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:51,200 Virginia Giuffre's experience was eerily similar, 407 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,440 except her recruiter was not a fellow teen 408 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:58,640 but the sophisticated and seemingly trustworthy Ghislaine Maxwell. 409 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:03,960 Virginia was 16 and working at Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago resort 410 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:08,040 when Maxwell spied her reading a textbook on massage. 411 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,800 VIRGINIA GIUFFRE: She just seemed very nice and she said, 412 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:12,720 "I've got a person that I know 413 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,200 "who's actually looking for a travelling masseuse 414 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:19,080 "and if you want, I can get you an interview with him. 415 00:24:19,120 --> 00:24:21,720 "If he likes you, we can get you educated. 416 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:23,360 "You'll be a real masseuse 417 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:25,840 "and you'll get to travel and see the world." 418 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:30,720 And, you know, like, she made it sound like it was a dream come true. 419 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:32,280 And it wasn't. 420 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,360 Within hours, Virginia was at Epstein's Florida mansion, 421 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,520 lured there by Maxwell's promise. 422 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:44,280 It ended in a devastating sexual attack. 423 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:47,640 So, put it this way, we did the back of him, we did the back of Epstein 424 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:53,960 and then, when he turned over, that's when I was instructed to... 425 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:58,040 to... 426 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:05,480 That's when I was instructed to get undressed and... 427 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,560 and have sex with Jeffrey Epstein 428 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,960 while Ghislaine Maxwell was participating as well. 429 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:19,240 Do you want to take a moment? 430 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:20,640 No, I'm OK. 431 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:23,080 I'm OK. 432 00:25:23,120 --> 00:25:27,360 So, you were abused by both of them in your very first encounter? 433 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:31,960 Yeah. Both of them. I was abused by Ghislaine and Epstein. 434 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,800 I don't mean to sound sexist in any way, shape or form 435 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,480 but I expected it from a man 436 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,000 but I didn't expect it from a woman. 437 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,320 And... 438 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,840 Yeah, I think that's what hurts the most. 439 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:52,600 (CRIES) 440 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:59,600 Maxwell's role as Epstein's co-conspirator, 441 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:04,040 for which she is now serving a 20-year jail term, is well known. 442 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,160 But in truth, it went well beyond Maxwell. 443 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:12,520 The pair devised a scheme to feed Epstein's voracious appetite. 444 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:16,120 They lured poverty-stricken girls in with cash, 445 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,120 fanning their dreams of a better life. 446 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,280 According to journalist Lucia Osborne-Crowley, 447 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,880 by the time the sexual abuse began, 448 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:28,720 many were too invested in their promises to get out. 449 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,400 LUCIA OSBORNE-CROWLEY: This was a well-oiled machine 450 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,360 of finding vulnerable young girls 451 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,440 who really needed someone to look after them 452 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,320 and then also using those girls 453 00:26:41,360 --> 00:26:44,080 to try and entrap younger and younger girls. 454 00:26:44,120 --> 00:26:46,920 And a lot of that, it seems, was developed in Florida. 455 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:52,120 How many girls do you think you brought to Jeffrey Epstein? 456 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,520 At the minimum, 50. 457 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,720 But anywhere from 50 to 70 girls. 458 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:00,480 What were their ages? 459 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:04,360 The same ages as me. 14, 15, 16. 460 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,400 I just hold a lot of guilt and shame for doing those things 461 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:12,360 and just to know that I had any influence on that happening 462 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:13,880 to somebody else 463 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:18,360 just, you know, it really is just devastating and breaks my heart. 464 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:24,120 Epstein's vile pyramid scheme might have continued unchecked 465 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:28,080 if not for the stepmother of one of his teenage victims, 466 00:27:28,120 --> 00:27:32,480 who called the Palm Beach Police Department in 2005. 467 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,480 WOMAN: (ON PHONE) 468 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:03,360 That initial call was so alarming that police launched an investigation 469 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,960 and it didn't take them long to uncover 470 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,160 the revolting scale of Epstein's network. 471 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:45,080 Police interviewed a staggering 40 victims, 472 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,280 whose ages range from 13 to 16. 473 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,200 Their accounts were shocking enough. 474 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,240 But what they found in Epstein's home 475 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:59,480 was a creepy insight into his depraved life - 476 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:05,400 dozens of nude photos, a steam room, and a massage room with sex toys. 477 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:09,760 Among the damning evidence were phone message pads 478 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,600 clearly showing a trade in young girls, 479 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,360 scheduling them for massage appointments 480 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,360 and flight logs listing girls being transported 481 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:23,760 aboard Jeffrey's private plane dubbed 'The Lolita Express'. 482 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:25,960 I think it's really important to know 483 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:30,360 that it is actually much, much worse than we think. 484 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:36,080 In 2006, much to the relief of police, 485 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,640 this predator was finally caught, 486 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,240 a wealth of evidence amassed against him. 487 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:45,400 But his own vast wealth and his immense influence 488 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:50,160 saw him escape charges that should've landed him in jail for life. 489 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,520 Instead, he served a mere 13 months 490 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,440 when prosecutors accepted his guilty plea 491 00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:01,440 to the minor charge of soliciting a child for prostitution. 492 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,800 But while he was technically an inmate 493 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,080 at the Palm Beach County Stockade, 494 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,200 he really just slept there. 495 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:10,960 It was essentially a slap on the wrist. 496 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,640 He got 12-hour work release from prison every single day. 497 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:15,120 Other journalists have described it 498 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,560 as he just basically had to sleep in a crappy motel 499 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,080 for, you know, a bit over a year. 500 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:25,240 For many, the most outrageous part of Epstein's plea bargain 501 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,040 was a seedy deal he struck with the attorney-general 502 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:31,120 for the Southern District of Florida. 503 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:36,440 It gave Epstein and any alleged co-conspirators, known or unknown, 504 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:40,960 immunity from further prosecution, supposedly forever. 505 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:46,200 Worse still, none of his victims were told about the deal. 506 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:47,600 How do you feel about that? 507 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:52,680 To be sexually abused by a man and to have the government know 508 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:58,880 and them actually, you know, co-conspire with the perpetrator 509 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:03,560 to make sure nothing happens to him, it's just so... 510 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,480 It just sounds unreal. 511 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,480 Why do you think the government did that? 512 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:13,840 My personal opinion about that is, you know, money, power 513 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:19,080 and I think that there was a lot of people involved in this, 514 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:23,960 this underage minor sex ring that they were running 515 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,800 and I think everybody wanted it to go away. 516 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,320 So you believe that there was a conspiracy at play here? 517 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:31,880 Oh, absolutely. 518 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:36,600 It really is a sordid story, everything that happened in Florida 519 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:40,640 and the fact that authorities did know, did arrest him, did charge him 520 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,560 and he still was able to continue. 521 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,320 And according to Virginia Giuffre, 522 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:50,360 the abuse didn't stop with Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell. 523 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,200 She was not just their sexual plaything. 524 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:57,000 She was now part of their international sex-trafficking ring, 525 00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,440 lent out to whomever they liked. 526 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:04,120 I was trafficked to other billionaires, 527 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:10,280 I was trafficked to politicians, professors, even royalty. 528 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,240 It was the elite of the world. 529 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,040 It was the people who run the world. 530 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:16,960 It was the most powerful people in the world. 531 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:36,240 VICKY WARD: Ghislaine was this sort of very exotic, glamorous figure 532 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:37,640 who would drop in 533 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:41,800 and, to be honest, namedrop a lot of famous names 534 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:43,680 that she'd been hanging out with. 535 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:47,280 We heard about Bill Clinton and sort of all sorts of other people 536 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:52,840 and we also knew that she was very good friends with Prince Andrew 537 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:57,360 and that Jeffrey Epstein would sometimes have Prince Andrew 538 00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:58,560 to stay. 539 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,160 TARA BROWN: As a British expat in New York, 540 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,480 journalist Vicky Ward moved in similar circles 541 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:07,440 to socialite Ghislaine Maxwell, 542 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:13,320 the daughter of disgraced megarich media tycoon Robert Maxwell. 543 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:18,360 Following her father's suspicious death aboard his boat in 1991, 544 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,360 Ghislaine moved to New York, 545 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:24,480 where she started her relationship with the millionaire Jeffrey Epstein. 546 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:31,440 In 2002, Vicky was assigned to write a profile of the mysterious financier 547 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,920 for 'Vanity Fair' magazine. 548 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,480 When I began reporting this piece, 549 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,680 I actually ran into Ghislaine Maxwell 550 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,080 and I sort of said, breezily, 551 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,120 "Oh, Ghislaine, yes, I'm writing this story 552 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:45,640 "about Jeffrey and the money" 553 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:51,040 and I was really taken aback when she started to cry. 554 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:56,880 I'm, like, "Why is this woman crying? 555 00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:00,560 "This doesn't seem to make any sense." 556 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:05,240 Obviously, I didn't know that I was, from her perspective, 557 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,480 probably in danger of pulling back the curtain 558 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:12,080 on what was an absolutely horrific criminal sexual enterprise 559 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:13,240 involving both of them. 560 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:19,440 Epstein and Maxwell complemented each other perfectly. 561 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:23,840 He had the money she was used to, she had the contacts he wanted, 562 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:27,280 the most high-profile, of course, being Prince Andrew, 563 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:33,160 who was famously accused of abusing the then 17-year-old Virginia Giuffre 564 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,560 at Epstein and Maxwell's invitation. 565 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:41,400 We went to Club Tramp and he danced with me 566 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:46,800 and he sweats a lot and he smells funny and then... 567 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:51,880 and then we get in the car and Ghislaine tells me in the car 568 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:57,120 that I have to do what I do for Jeffrey for Prince Andrew 569 00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,880 and that's when I learned what was going to happen. 570 00:34:59,920 --> 00:35:01,880 There's a slight problem with...with...with...with... 571 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:05,120 with the sweating, um, because, uh, 572 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:09,680 I...I have a peculiar medical condition, 573 00:35:09,720 --> 00:35:11,840 which is that I don't sweat, um... 574 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,680 Or I didn't sweat at the time. And that was... 575 00:35:14,720 --> 00:35:17,560 Oh, actually, yes, I didn't sweat at the time 576 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:22,160 because I, um, had...had suffered what I would describe 577 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,600 as an overdose of adrenaline in the Falklands War 578 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:26,520 when I was shot at, 579 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,520 uh, and I simply... 580 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:32,200 It was... It was... It was almost impossible for me to...to sweat. 581 00:35:32,240 --> 00:35:38,000 It was a claim and counterclaim that turned this royal's life upside down. 582 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:43,000 His ill-advised decision to appear on the BBC in 2019 583 00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:47,080 left him if not sweating, then red-faced. 584 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:51,680 His attempt to convince us he knew nothing of the teenage Virginia 585 00:35:51,720 --> 00:35:52,720 fell flat 586 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:58,160 when this photo, taken in 2001 in Maxwell's London apartment, 587 00:35:58,200 --> 00:35:59,640 resurfaced. 588 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,560 She provided a photo... Yes. 589 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:03,200 ..of the two of you together. Yes. 590 00:36:03,240 --> 00:36:04,720 How do you explain that? 591 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:06,080 I can't. 592 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,200 Because I don't... I have no... 593 00:36:09,240 --> 00:36:13,400 Again, I have absolutely no memory of that photograph ever being taken. 594 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,120 Your friend suggested that the photo is fake. 595 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:19,520 I think it's... 596 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:21,800 From the investigations that we've done, 597 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:27,480 you can't prove whether or not that photograph is, uh, faked or not 598 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:31,080 because it is a photograph of a photograph of a photograph, 599 00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:35,440 so it's very difficult to be able to...to, um, to...to prove it. 600 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:39,280 But I...I don't remember that photograph ever being taken. 601 00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,560 So, as you know, Prince Andrew denies the allegations against him 602 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,400 and he says that this photo's a fake, that he was never there 603 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,320 and that it's not his arm and they're not his fingers. 604 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,120 Those are his fingers. That is Andrew. 605 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:53,200 This photo has been verified as an original 606 00:36:53,240 --> 00:36:56,120 and it's been since given to the FBI 607 00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,640 and they've never contested that it's a fake 608 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:00,280 and I know it's real 609 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,120 and he needs to stop with all of these lame excuses. 610 00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:04,960 We're sick of hearing it. 611 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:07,680 This is a real photo. 612 00:37:07,720 --> 00:37:09,440 And that was the first time you met him? 613 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,360 And that's the very first time I met him. 614 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,120 And that's right before I was abused by him. 615 00:37:14,240 --> 00:37:16,800 How many times were you trafficked to him? 616 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:18,480 Three times. 617 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,320 Her allegations against Prince Andrew 618 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,920 are laid bare in the newly unsealed court documents. 619 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:30,920 The disgraced royal is mentioned 69 times and not just by Virginia. 620 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,360 Johanna Sjoberg, who was 21 of the time, 621 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:39,200 claims to have had her own traumatic experience with Prince Andrew 622 00:37:39,240 --> 00:37:43,360 and she says she saw the Prince and Virginia together 623 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,920 at the Epstein mansion in New York. 624 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:51,800 According to British-based Australian author Lucia Osborne-Crowley, 625 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:56,240 her account, given under oath, is damning of the Prince. 626 00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:01,720 We also have an allegation from a separate victim, Johanna, 627 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,240 who has said that she was groped by Prince Andrew, 628 00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,600 so that's incredibly significant 629 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,920 because we have sworn testimony from a second person 630 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:16,600 corroborating that he did engage in illegal acts relating to minors. 631 00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:20,960 Do you expect Prince Andrew to be under further legal scrutiny? 632 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:26,040 I think that certainly Prince Andrew will be facing 633 00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,880 many, many, many more questions 634 00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,840 given what we've learned in these new documents 635 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:36,160 and it's really important, I think, for the authorities 636 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,960 to look at the fact that there is a second person 637 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,760 who's alleging that he broke the law 638 00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:45,720 and whether they need to speak to those victims 639 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:47,280 and other potential victims 640 00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,160 to see if there is anything 641 00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,600 that they can or should be charging him with. 642 00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,560 REPORTER: I wonder if you have any sense now 643 00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:58,120 of guilt, regret or shame 644 00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,840 about any of your behaviour in your friendship with Epstein. 645 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:06,360 As far as, uh, my, um, association with him was concerned, 646 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:12,840 it had, um, uh, some seriously beneficial, um, outcomes 647 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,400 in areas that have nothing... 648 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,360 that have nothing to do with...with... 649 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,640 with what I would describe as what we're talking about today. 650 00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:23,040 Prince Andrew has since found regret 651 00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:27,000 but continues to deny all the allegations levelled at him. 652 00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:32,680 He settled with Virginia Giuffre on the eve of their civil trial in 2022, 653 00:39:32,720 --> 00:39:36,720 reportedly for more than $15 million. 654 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:41,240 In settling with her, the Prince likely thought the saga was over 655 00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,760 but the release of these latest documents 656 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:50,120 once again raises questions for him and many other Epstein associates. 657 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,480 Those are very, very wealthy, powerful people 658 00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:56,000 and so far they've escaped without many questions being asked of them. 659 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:01,840 Billionaire financier Jeffrey Epstein has been arrested, 660 00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:05,000 charged with sex trafficking involving underage girls... 661 00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,880 He could face up to 45 years behind bars... 662 00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:11,000 TARA BROWN: It was a prized catch. 663 00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:16,240 In 2019, the roar around Jeffrey Epstein's sex-trafficking ring 664 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,520 was so loud, police were forced to act. 665 00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:23,640 Neatly befitting the lifestyle of a jet-setting millionaire, 666 00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:27,040 Epstein was nabbed on his private plane 667 00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:30,360 as he landed back in the US from Paris. 668 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,800 For his most outspoken victim, Virginia Giuffre, 669 00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:38,640 his arrest was a gift more than 20 years in the making. 670 00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:40,160 I never thought it was gonna happen. 671 00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:43,040 I honestly thought he was just gonna continue to get away with it 672 00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:46,080 over and over and over again, just like he proved so many times. 673 00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:53,480 So, yeah, it was like Christmas in July. Big-time. 674 00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:58,560 But the expectation that Epstein would finally face his crimes 675 00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:02,840 was dashed when he was found dead by suicide in his jail cell 676 00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:04,400 a month later. 677 00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,840 Disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein has taken his own life... 678 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,560 The bombshell development raising many new questions... 679 00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:14,960 With Epstein dead, the charges against him were dismissed, 680 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:18,000 denying justice to his many victims 681 00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:22,280 and his co-conspirator, British socialite Ghislaine Maxwell, 682 00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:27,920 became the most wanted woman in the world as she went on the run. 683 00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:31,720 VICKY WARD: So, the idea that this woman 684 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:38,240 could be involved in something as depraved and horrific as this, 685 00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:41,960 that was mind-boggling. 686 00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,480 As journalist Vicky Ward and the rest of the world 687 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:48,000 watched on in fascination, 688 00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:53,120 Ghislaine was tracked down to a luxurious New Hampshire hideaway 689 00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:54,680 after eluding police for a year. 690 00:41:54,720 --> 00:41:57,320 Today, we announce the arrest 691 00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,240 of one of the villains in this investigation. 692 00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:03,880 This day, to me, has been, like, one of the best days of my life. 693 00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:07,200 I have not stopped smiling and crying happy tears 694 00:42:07,240 --> 00:42:12,600 and I'm just...yeah, I'm elated to know that she's where she belongs. 695 00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,480 Immediately upon Maxwell's arrest, 696 00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:20,040 Virginia spoke for all the victims of the sex-trafficking ring. 697 00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:24,400 She ruined so many lives. She belongs in jail. 698 00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:27,000 You want to hurt kids, that's where you go. 699 00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:33,360 In 2022, Maxwell was convicted on five sex-trafficking counts, 700 00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,840 the then 60-year-old sentenced to 20 years in jail. 701 00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,440 She has lodged an appeal which will be reviewed in March 702 00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,720 and continues to claim her innocence from jail, 703 00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,800 as she told her brother, Kevin Maxwell. 704 00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:51,040 Everyone is always asking, "Who is the real G? 705 00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,000 "Who's the real Ghislaine?" 706 00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:56,480 It's definitely not the person portrayed. 707 00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:58,120 I feel completely divorced 708 00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:03,960 from the person that people reference and talk about. 709 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,560 And so, the biggest misconception of you? 710 00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:12,240 That I'm the cruellest, meanest, 'horriblest' person who's done... 711 00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:13,360 committed crimes. 712 00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:14,680 Yeah. 713 00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:20,200 And, I mean, it... I... I literally haven't seen... 714 00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:26,640 any details that are accurate. 715 00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:32,160 Lucia Osborne-Crowley was one of the few journalists 716 00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:36,360 granted access to the court to report on Maxwell's trial. 717 00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:40,840 It was surprising that even at her own federal sex-trafficking trial, 718 00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:44,080 she didn't appear to have a lot of humility 719 00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,240 she didn't appear to have and still was incredibly confident 720 00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:51,640 and I certainly got the sense that she did not expect to be convicted. 721 00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:53,520 And certainly no remorse. 722 00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:54,960 Certainly no remorse. 723 00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,160 She basically said that she was sorry for the damage 724 00:43:58,200 --> 00:43:59,560 that Jeffrey Epstein had caused them 725 00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:00,600 and that's all she said. 726 00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,680 With Maxwell behind bars and Epstein dead, 727 00:44:04,720 --> 00:44:07,160 this case appeared to be resolved. 728 00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:10,040 But the recent release of these court documents 729 00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,960 shows how little we still know. 730 00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:17,720 There are so many names that we are left with question marks about. 731 00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,880 What was his appeal? 732 00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:25,640 Why did some of the most powerful men in the world flock to him? 733 00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:30,560 What was Bill Gates doing around Jeffrey Epstein? 734 00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:34,600 I'd love to hear from Bill Clinton what he saw in Jeffrey Epstein. 735 00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:35,960 That would be great to know. 736 00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:41,880 In all, more than 150 names have been linked to the disgraced millionaire 737 00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:45,440 but apart from some denials of any wrongdoing, 738 00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:49,040 the silence from those identified has been deafening. 739 00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:52,360 We've got evidence of sworn testimony 740 00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,880 where people are naming very, very powerful people 741 00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,240 who would've been in a position potentially 742 00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,600 to do something about what was going on here 743 00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,160 and instead, we have a sex-trafficking ring that went on 744 00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:05,000 for at least two decades, possibly three, 745 00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:06,800 with almost complete impunity. 746 00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:08,880 And so, that's the point 747 00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:12,320 that I think we really all need to hold onto about scale here, 748 00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,840 is that... not the splashiness of these names 749 00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:17,280 but just how many there are, 750 00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:21,360 just how many people there are that victims pointed to, to say, 751 00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,080 "This person can corroborate my story. 752 00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:26,240 "This person can be a witness. This person met me on the island. 753 00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:27,560 "This person saw me." 754 00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,400 And those are very, very wealthy, powerful people 755 00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:34,280 and so far they've escaped without many questions being asked of them. 756 00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,040 We'd have to assume that they're just running from this 757 00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,160 as far and as fast as they can. 758 00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:40,760 Yes. 759 00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:45,400 Well, I mean, I've been quite surprised at the silence 760 00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,440 over the last couple of weeks, if I'm completely honest. 761 00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,680 I would've thought that at least some of these people 762 00:45:51,720 --> 00:45:55,040 would've felt an obligation to do some explaining. 763 00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:59,680 VICKY WARD: At the very least, association with Jeffrey Epstein 764 00:45:59,720 --> 00:46:02,280 raises questions of judgement, right? 765 00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:06,000 Nobody looks good for having hung out with Jeffrey Epstein, 766 00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,680 now knowing everything that we know. 767 00:46:08,720 --> 00:46:10,720 Whether or not they should be held accountable 768 00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,280 is to whether or not there was any criminal activity. 769 00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:15,200 And obviously we just don't know. 770 00:46:15,240 --> 00:46:20,720 One has to hope that because we now know so much more, 771 00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:24,560 that there is so much public scrutiny on this, 772 00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:28,680 that the wheels of justice will turn in a way 773 00:46:28,720 --> 00:46:31,560 that they definitely didn't for a very long time. 774 00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:36,360 The legacy of Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell 775 00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:40,360 is to expose a darkness too awful to imagine. 776 00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,520 But as difficult as it is to comprehend, 777 00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:46,960 it would seem there's even more to be revealed. 778 00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:50,320 Certainly, from what I know, there are more people 779 00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:51,840 who aren't even on this list 780 00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:55,200 that either knew or potentially participated in 781 00:46:55,240 --> 00:46:57,440 what was going on around Jeffrey Epstein. 782 00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:59,760 Do you expect that others will be charged, 783 00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,000 that others will face prosecution? 784 00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:06,080 I very much hope so. 785 00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:10,600 I think it's really important to know it is actually much, much worse 786 00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:11,880 than we think 787 00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,160 and that we're comfortable accepting. 788 00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:18,200 Captioned by AI-Media ai-media.tv 86071

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