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Whenever you speak about
an Iranian intervention,
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the mastermind behind
it is Qasem Soleimani,
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and the one that leads it
is Qasem Soleimani.
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Most people have never heard of him,
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but he's been pulling
the strings behind the scenes
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in the Middle East for decades.
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We saw Qasem Soleimani
as a very capable,
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charismatic, skilled,
professionally competent,
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diabolically evil human being.
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He's orchestrated deadly attacks
on British and American soldiers.
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It was a constant arms race -
their bombs got bigger,
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our protection got bigger.
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Iran's military mastermind
is now at the centre
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of the global stage.
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He started to become a commander,
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also sort of a spy,
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but he seemed to have more power
than any kind of person
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on our side ever had.
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But who is Qasem Soleimani?
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And is he shaping up
for a new conflict with the West
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in the region?
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We can see him as the Darth Vader
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of contemporary
Middle Eastern politics.
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ARCHIVE: They're replying to the
bullets with Molotov cocktails.
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It's about the only use they've got
now for American Coca-Cola bottles.
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The man who would become such
a central figure in the Middle East
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was a child of
the Iranian Revolution.
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Qasem Soleimani comes from a very
working-class background.
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He really came of age at the time
of the Islamic Revolution.
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He was really gripped by it,
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for him, this was something
that motivated him.
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The revolution swept
away the monarchy,
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supported by the West,
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and brought Ayatollah Khomeini
to power.
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Iran became an Islamic republic,
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a religious state based on
Shia Muslim beliefs.
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America, and its ally Israel,
now became the enemy.
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Ayatollah Khomeini's world view
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was very distinctly anti-Western
in its perspective,
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and seeing Israel as one of the
chief enemies of the Muslim world.
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ARCHIVE: These young men,
practising to be soldiers,
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want to be part of the army
of 20 million
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that Khomeini has called for.
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A new military force was born -
the Revolutionary Guard.
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A young Soleimani joined up.
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Qasem Soleimani is a genuine
and sincere believer in the ideals
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of the revolution. I mean,
he is an austere revolutionary,
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and his loyalty to the supreme
leader is uncompromising.
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ARCHIVE: Ayatollah Khomeini has
faced the renewed threat of American
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military intervention,
and, more immediately,
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a flare-up in the border
fighting with Iraq.
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Within months of the revolution,
Iran was invaded by its neighbour,
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Saddam Hussein's Iraq.
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As a young commander,
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Qasem Soleimani began to make
a name for himself.
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A million Iranians died in the
bloody eight-year war against Iraq.
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ARCHIVE: Religion is all.
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Prayer and slaughter
are intermingled.
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Somehow, Soleimani survived,
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creating the myth of him
as a living martyr.
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While Qasem Soleimani
was fighting Iraq,
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the Islamic Revolution
was being spread
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to another country
in the Middle East.
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ARCHIVE: Hezbollah is
Iran's creation.
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Ayatollah Khomeini founded
it in its present form in Tehran
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eight years ago.
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Hezbollah, the Shia party of God,
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grew as a response to Israel's
invasion of neighbouring Lebanon.
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The philosophy of
the Islamic Revolution
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was and is that the world
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should be a new Muslim,
Shi'ite caliphate.
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There are two obstacles
to the Iranians.
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One is the United States of America,
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which they call the big Satan,
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and the other one is the
Israeli democracy,
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which they call the small Satan.
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Hezbollah became a powerful
force in the region,
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carrying out terror attacks
against America and Israel.
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The leading cause of death
of Americans overseas,
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and hostage-taking,
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was all Lebanese Hezbollah people
and Iranian people.
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They kidnapped people
around the world as a business.
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I survived the April 1983
bombing of our embassy.
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I was there for the bombing
of the Marine barracks.
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244 dead Marines.
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That was Iran projecting power
beyond its borders
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to demonstrate that it was truly
a regional superpower.
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"Beware."
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And we then came to see
Qasem Soleimani emerge
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as the field commander for Iranian
force projection.
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In the 1990s, Soleimani
joined the Quds Force,
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the most elite and secretive unit
in the Revolutionary Guard.
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The Quds Force specialised in
what we might term
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low-intensity warfare, which is,
basically, aspects of infiltration -
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being able to build networks,
manipulate,
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infiltrate into different societies.
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It's, in some ways,
an Iranian way in warfare.
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America was still
the Great Satan in 1998,
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when Qasem Soleimani became
head of the Quds Force.
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He was running all military
and intelligence operations
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outside Iran.
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But the whole world
was about to change.
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DISTANT SIREN
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ARCHIVE: In the past few minutes,
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a plane has crashed into the
World Trade Centre in New York.
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This is the face of warfare
in the 21st century.
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I was actually on my way
to New York that morning.
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We could see the smoke coming
from the first tower.
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And, as we landed at LaGuardia,
the second tower was hit.
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And that's when we all knew
that this was not an accident,
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it was a deliberate attack.
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9/11 would turn
the Middle East on its head.
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The attackers were
Sunni Muslim extremists -
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opposed not only to the West,
but also Shia Iran.
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Iranians cried for the American
victims of Al-Qaeda.
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We all realised that this
development opened up a moment
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in which the United States and Iran
could cooperate effectively.
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We both had the same
enemies in Afghanistan.
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Within a week, I was on one
of the first planes out to Geneva.
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Secret talks began between Ryan
Crocker and an Iranian diplomat.
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He'd been sent by Qasem Soleimani
to explore ways to defeat
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the Taliban, Al-Qaeda's
protectors in Afghanistan.
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He produced a map that showed...
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..the Taliban order of battle
throughout Afghanistan,
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and he accompanied
that with the advice
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that we strike
certain targets first.
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I asked if I could take notes,
he said, "You can keep the map."
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For some of these things
we were doing and talking about
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clearly reflected
Qasem Soleimani's ability
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to make things happen quickly.
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The Taliban -
Sunni extremists like Al-Qaeda -
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threatened Shia Iran
as well as America.
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There was none of this talk
about the horrors of the past -
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what we had done to Iran,
what Iran had done to us.
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He was all about,
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"Let's get on with this show,
like, right now."
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For months, American diplomats
were locked in talks
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with their traditional foe.
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But then one speech
changed everything.
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GEORGE W BUSH: Our goal is to
prevent regimes that sponsor terror
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from threatening America,
or our friends and allies,
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with weapons of mass destruction.
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I was awakened by my staff,
saying something like,
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"Boss, you're really not
going to like this."
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And right they were -
I really did not like it.
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Iran aggressively pursues
these weapons and exports terror.
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States like these,
and their terrorist allies,
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constitute an axis of evil,
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arming to threaten the peace
of the world.
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We moved, literally, overnight,
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from a situation in which we were
doing business with Iran
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on Afghanistan that was
quite significant,
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and that held open the prospect
of a completely different chapter
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opening up in our relationship.
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"Axis of evil" slammed that door
shut, and it has not since reopened.
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Powerful voices within
the White House insisted Iran
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was their principal
enemy in the region...
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..but, within a year,
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America would be at war in another
country in the Middle East.
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ARCHIVE: The White House said
within the past few minutes
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that military action
against Iraq is beginning...
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It was just as dawn was breaking
in Baghdad that a series
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of explosions was heard
in the southern suburbs...
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Well, I entered Iraq with the
invasion, the fight to Baghdad,
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in late March of 2003.
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Certainly, from fairly early on,
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Iran had been getting more
and more active in Iraq.
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The US-led invasion of Iraq
would bring Western troops
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into Qasem Soleimani's back yard.
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Iran was part of the whole complex
political dynamic
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that we were trying to handle.
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They were definitely a force
that you had to recognise
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as being an inevitability.
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EXPLOSIONS
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COMMS: Roger, requesting
ammo resupply, over!
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With the invasion,
what happened is, Iran perceived,
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"Now, we've got Americans
on the east,
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"Americans on the west,
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"and Americans to the south."
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I think it could look like a pretty
threatening period for Iran.
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Iran was worried about
a pre-eminent American presence,
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and the instability that comes
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from the overthrow
of Saddam Hussein.
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Qasem Soleimani was, by now,
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Iran's leading military
commander and strategist -
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but only a few Western
intelligence officers
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were aware of him.
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I met Qasem Soleimani once.
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It was an inadvertent
sort of a bump.
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He doesn't look like
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what you would expect a guerrilla
leader to look like.
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He's a polished man,
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and a capable man with a significant
command presence about him,
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a professional.
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Qasem Soleimani was interested
in outcomes and processes
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that would keep the Iraqi state
off balance, always.
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So, that no matter who ruled
in Baghdad,
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they would not be able
to do what Saddam Hussein did -
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threaten the very existence of Iran.
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Iran had always had huge
influence in Iraq.
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Two thirds of Iraqis
are Shia Muslims, like the Iranians.
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A WOMAN SCREAMS
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As the occupation dragged on,
Sunni militants grew strong.
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In 2006, they blew up
an important Shia shrine.
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Nouri al-Maliki had just
been elected Prime Minister of Iraq.
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The bombing of the Shia mosque
was a turning point,
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sparking all-out
sectarian civil war.
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It was an opportunity for Iran to
help its Shia brothers,
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forming militias in Iraq.
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Iran increasingly sought
to achieve greater influence,
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not an absolute ability to direct,
but an ability, certainly,
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to throw a very significant
monkey wrench into the gears.
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Qasem Soleimani was in charge
of Iranian policy in Iraq,
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but he kept below the radar.
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I don't recall when I first heard of
Qasem Soleimani as an individual.
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I don't remember when I first heard
about Qasem Soleimani.
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I'm quite sure that I would've read,
you know, intelligence reports
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on him, gotten a sense of him.
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He was probably pulling the strings
as the commander from afar,
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so we knew he was there, but no,
I don't think we ever saw
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his direct name directly linked
to any actions in Southern Iraq.
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But behind the scenes,
Qasem Soleimani's Quds Force
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began to provide support
to the Shia militias.
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Qais Khazali was the leader of one
of the most hardline groups.
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It became more and more
and more obvious
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that they were recruiting
Iraqi Shia Arabs,
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taking them to Iran,
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training them there,
and then sending them back into Iraq
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and then, over time, enabling them
with very sophisticated weapons.
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Attacks on coalition troops
by local Shia militias
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became more frequent and successful.
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It was becoming clear Soleimani
was orchestrating them.
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He was now a potential US target.
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We saw a convoy coming into
the north, and there was reporting
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that said Qasem Soleimani
was probably with that convoy.
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We went through the decision -
"So, what do you do?"
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Do we attack the convoy
with a raid force,
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do we bomb the convoy,
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do we do nothing?
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We weren't 100% sure, first,
whether Soleimani was on the convoy,
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and second, whether we had authority
or good enough rationale to go
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after Soleimani,
particularly to kill him.
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It was pretty dicey stuff.
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This wasn't like normal
counterterrorist ops
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where you land and you'd have a fire
fight on the ground.
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It was almost like police ops.
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The Americans swooped
and arrested five Iranians.
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They claimed to be diplomats.
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We became convinced
as we did interrogations
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that they were all
Quds Force members.
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We were never able to confirm
whether Qasem Soleimani
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was on the convoy that night.
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We thought that he was.
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I had no reason later
to think that he wasn't,
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but probably that he peeled
off at some point.
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It looked like Soleimani
had had a close escape.
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Retaliation was swift and deadly.
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It was an attack that
had been carefully planned.
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There was, in fact,
subterfuge to enter a base
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in which there were American
soldiers operating.
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They used black vehicles
with the same, you know,
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flashing lights and everything else
that we had for our forces.
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They managed to hoodwink
the guards in the facility
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as they drove through.
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They got in, essentially unscathed,
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and then quickly, er,
with the element of surprise,
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seized a number of Americans.
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Five American soldiers
were kidnapped from their own base.
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It was an audacious operation.
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The Karbala attack reflected
a real upping of the ante.
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This is no longer just
militias with AK-47s.
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This is a real special operation,
carried out very skilfully
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by quite highly trained individuals.
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One US soldier was
killed immediately.
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Four others discovered dead
in a car days later.
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We found vehicles with
the Americans in them.
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One had written, before he died,
his name in dust or blood.
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So it created a tremendous amount
of emotion on the American side,
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and our strong belief that the
Quds Force fingerprints
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were all over this.
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And Qasem Soleimani's?
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Well, we assumed that
everything the Quds Force did
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was under the control
of Qasem Soleimani.
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By this point, he was starting
to be a hugely respected...
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I don't want to say
mythological figure,
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but I probably ought to say,
someone who had tremendous reach.
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Then, in Southern Iraq,
the British received a tip-off.
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We got intelligence one night
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that there was a high-priced
militia cell down in our base,
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and so we called the Special Forces
down to do a raid on this.
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Get in there, get in there,
get in there!
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And the people they captured
in the raid were the
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Khazali brothers, Qais Khazali,
in particular, being well known.
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On their laptops were found
to be clear links
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to all kinds of violence,
all kinds of links to Iran.
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They had actually digitised
all of the so-called pocket litter -
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ie, everything that was
in the wallets of the captain
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and the others that were killed, er,
from the American side,
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and we were able to get
that off the hard drive,
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and that told us that this is very
clearly their after-action report
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to their Quds Force handlers.
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Well, we just knew from their
reaction when he got captured
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that he was, he was one
of those subordinate commanders
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under Soleimani, which is why we
didn't see Soleimani on the ground,
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because he had people like
Qais Khazali to do his work for him.
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In prison, under interrogation,
Qais Khazali gave a detailed account
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of Iran's involvement.
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Today, he is unrepentant.
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It caused the Iranians
huge embarrassment.
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They wanted to keep themselves
in the shadows and not be seen,
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a bit like when you touch
a sea anemone or an octopus.
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They just retracted their, er,
their feelers out
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and sort of withdrew back into Iran
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and went very quiet
for a few weeks afterwards,
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while they allowed the brouhaha
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about themselves being exposed
there, while that rolled over.
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It reflected the fact that we were
in a shadow war with Iran.
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Qasem Soleimani's shadow war
was to have devastating consequences
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for British soldiers
fighting in southern Iraq.
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ARCHIVE: British servicemen
were mourning the deaths
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of four soldiers,
two of them women...
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ARCHIVE: A roadside bomb ripped
through a Warrior armoured vehicle.
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During the Iraq War, 179 British
soldiers were killed.
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Hundreds more were injured
and maimed, many for life.
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2007 was the peak.
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It was the most intense period
of violence since the invasion.
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We had 41 people
killed in my time there,
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and innumerable people injured.
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And one of the most significant
incidents for me
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was when a mine blew a Warrior off
the road
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and killed four people in it.
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Made all the more tragic
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by the fact there were
two women inside there,
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one of whom had been
at Sandhurst with Prince Harry.
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And you could just feel the sort
of will to fight in Iraq ebbing away
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in the British nation.
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Coalition forces were being attacked
with a new and devastating weapon -
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EFPs, explosively
formed projectiles.
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Most people hit
with an EFP will die,
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simply because the injury
is catastrophic.
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You then have the
behind-armour effects,
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you have the spalling
from the armour,
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all spinning around inside,
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so it wasn't a nice thing to see.
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People were literally
torn to shreds.
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Task Force Troy was set up to track
the source of the weapons
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and target the militias using them.
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No-one has spoken publicly
about their work before.
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We knew Iraq didn't have
the technology to design itself,
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so the intellectual property,
and the means of creating an EFP
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to devastating effect
was coming from Iran.
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And that was backed up
by the numbering
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and the lettering on the packaging
that we saw on the EFPs
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as we found them in caches.
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The explosive devices
were coming into Iraq
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across its porous borders
with Iran,
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especially through
the southern marshes.
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You have the high reed beds,
you have very small, narrow boats,
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and once it gets into the marshes,
it doesn't really matter
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what surveillance you have,
it's extremely difficult to follow
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where those boats are going.
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What they did was,
they supplied the local militias
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with explosive devices,
and so we knew that was happening,
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but we simply couldn't
stop them coming in.
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We were playing a cat-and-mouse game
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with the insurgents
on a daily basis.
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Their bombs got bigger,
our protection got bigger.
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It didn't really matter what
technology you threw at the problem,
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they would find a counter to that
and get ahead of you again.
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So this was very calculated by Iran,
by the Revolutionary Guard,
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by, presumably, Qasem Soleimani?
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Yes, I think, absolutely.
It was an intimidation campaign.
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I mean, it wasn't all-out war, but
it was just keeping the heat on us,
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saying, "You'd better get out,"
you know.
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GUNFIRE
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They're moving up on us,
they're moving up on us!
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By the end of 2007,
the Shia militias
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had the small British force
under siege in Basra.
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Back, back, back!
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He said, "Are you with me?"
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I said, "But I need you -
don't get into a fight immediately.
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"Your forces cannot deal
with what is on the ground there
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"without a lot
of support from us."
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But Prime Minister al-Maliki
pressed on to Basra.
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The Shia militias,
backed by Qasem Soleimani's
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Quds Force, seemed
about to take the city.
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Al-Maliki's life was on the line.
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Dave and I were sitting
in my office with a cellphone
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on speaker, talking
to him down there.
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You could hear the rockets coming in
on Basra Palace, where he was.
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General Petraeus and I were certain
that he was going to be overrun,
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literally, personally.
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In the middle of the battle,
General Petraeus was told
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that the President of Iraq
in Baghdad
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had received a message from Iran.
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He said, "I've just come
back from a meeting
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"with Qasem Soleimani,"
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which just was a true jaw-dropper.
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And he said, "And I have a message
for you from General Soleimani."
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And he said, "It goes like this.
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"General Petraeus, you should know
that I, Qasem Soleimani,
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"control the policy for Iran
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"with respect to Iraq,
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"and, also, Syria, Afghanistan,
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"Gaza, and so on."
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And so, the point he was making was,
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"You should deal with me.
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"Forget all these others, forget
the Iranian diplomats,
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"forget these others.
We should do a deal."
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To some degree,
there was something to this,
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because, if you really think
about it, I was the sheikh
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of the strongest tribe in Iraq
at that time, in many respects.
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Erm, that was the first time
that he came up on the radar,
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saying, "Hey, guys,
let's talk about this."
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Everything before that,
including the beginning
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of this conflict,
was through the barrel of a gun,
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until that was not quite
working so well for them.
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The president looked at me
expectantly and asked what message
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he should convey back
to Qasem Soleimani,
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and I said,
"Tell him to pound sand."
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I was not going to meet with some
one- or two-star general
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who was leading elements
that were killing our soldiers,
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and there's just no way that I was
going to sit down with him.
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After nine days of fighting,
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with American help,
the tables were turned in Basra.
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The Shia militias were routed,
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and Qasem Soleimani
reached out again.
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ARCHIVE: Military operations
in Basra will cease
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by the end of the week.
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This uneasy deal comes after some
very secretive negotiations,
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and there are reports
that Iranian officials
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were involved in brokering...
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In 2008, British troops
pulled out of Basra -
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handing it back to Iraqi
government control.
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But the city has remained
under the influence of Iran.
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As General Petraeus used to say,
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"An army of liberation
has a half-life,
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"after which it becomes an army
of occupation,"
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and so, the Iranians were merely
prompting and encouraging
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the local Iraqis to get rid of us.
And, frankly, who can blame them?
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Qasem Soleimani had emerged
a winner in the war in Iraq
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against America and Britain.
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But in the shifting sands
of the Middle East,
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enemies would soon be
forced to become allies.
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The summer of '14 was one
that anyone interested
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in this region is always
going to remember.
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The speed at which
Islamic State moved -
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they were at the gates of Baghdad,
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and they were at the gates of Erbil.
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The Islamic State, or Daesh,
as the Iraqis call them,
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seized huge swathes
of Northern Iraq.
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They forced hundreds of thousands
of Iraqi government troops to flee.
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It was a stunning
moment for all of us.
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It was certainly a stunning moment
for the Iraqis themselves,
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and it was certainly a jolt to us.
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Everybody just said,
"Isis is coming to Erbil."
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And a lot of families
were afraid
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that if Isis came,
they will take the women,
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they will cut the heads off the men,
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they will take everything.
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It was just trying
to escape from them.
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The Kurds were then really
ringing the alarm bell,
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trying to get Washington
to pay attention,
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that this is not some
flash in the pan -
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you have to act.
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ARCHIVE: Iraq's second biggest city,
Mosul,
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has been taken over by a group
of Islamist militants
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who are allies...
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After they took Mosul,
they got a lot of American weapons,
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and we just had the old
Russian weapons.
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We had no armoured vehicles.
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We had no anti-tank.
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We had no snipers.
We didn't have anything.
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The Islamic State were another
Sunni extremist group -
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the heirs to Al-Qaeda.
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Qasem Soleimani knew they would
soon become a threat to Shia Iran.
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His men quickly crossed the border
to help the Kurdish fighters.
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There was two soldiers
who came to us.
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They say, "We are Iranian soldiers."
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00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:47,040
They said, "What do you want?
What do you need?"
481
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,360
And I wrote down nine types
of weapons,
482
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,680
and I gave them back the list.
483
00:35:54,720 --> 00:35:57,080
After two days, we got weapons.
484
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:29,520
This sniper is an M99...
485
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,000
..we got from Iran.
486
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:37,960
We never had it before.
487
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:41,640
It had a very good effect on Isis.
488
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:43,720
GUNFIRE
489
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:47,800
Even with their new weapons,
490
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,680
the Kurds could not hold back
the Islamic State.
491
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:54,120
The whole of Iraq
was now threatened.
492
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:03,320
The Iraqi government had to fall
back on the old Shia militias
493
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,520
which had killed so many British
troops during the occupation.
494
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,400
Qais Khazali had been released
from prison
495
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,680
and mobilised his group to fight.
496
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:46,120
Once again, Qasem Soleimani
was pulling the strings...
497
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:51,480
..but now he started
to emerge from the shadows.
498
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,440
He was here, he was there.
The joke we made,
499
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,200
it was like the Where's Waldo? book.
500
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,320
He was appearing in places
that he'd not appeared before,
501
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:07,760
at least overtly.
502
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,480
For a little guy who's out
there with no body armour,
503
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:13,280
who's 25 years old,
in a militia group, fighting,
504
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,760
how can you not rise
to the occasion when your boss,
505
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,960
who's, you know, the age
of your grandfather,
506
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:23,600
is in a shirt, walking
around the battle space
507
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:25,520
with gunfire going off?
508
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,480
It's an inspiring message
that this man is fearless
509
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,040
and we must follow him.
510
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,400
I do believe there's
a feeling of a guy like him
511
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:51,320
that he's fulfilling his destiny,
and if he's killed, he's killed.
512
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:53,800
They have a very different
way of looking at it -
513
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:55,160
that he is on a mission.
514
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:58,800
Perhaps, having taken some
media-exposure lessons,
515
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:02,080
he had found an occasion
where he could have his moments
516
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:07,040
in the sun after all those years of
being in the shadows and darkness.
517
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:23,680
ARCHIVE: RAF jets have carried
out their first air strikes
518
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:25,280
against self-styled Islamic State.
519
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,040
ARCHIVE: The United States
has confirmed
520
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,680
that it carried out 14 air
strikes overnight, with the help...
521
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:34,480
Britain and America finally joined
the fight against the Islamic State,
522
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,760
and found themselves, this time,
523
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,800
on the same side as Iran
and Qasem Soleimani.
524
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:44,160
Isis, which was this negative,
evil thing -
525
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:50,040
Soleimani now gets the role of being
the white knight against it.
526
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:53,080
Now, to a certain degree,
he comes out like an American ally,
527
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,600
but that was strange bedfellows
for a pretty narrow period.
528
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:09,240
The Iraqi Kurds now had an
embarrassment of riches,
529
00:41:09,240 --> 00:41:12,240
which put them in an awkward spot.
530
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,960
Because we knew that, ultimately,
when the Islamic State was defeated,
531
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,400
there was going to have to be
an effort
532
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,920
to get the Shia militia
back on a leash,
533
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:14,720
to get them responding
to legitimate Iraqi authorities,
534
00:42:14,720 --> 00:42:17,040
not to these Shia militia leaders -
535
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,200
some of whom were also
in the parliament -
536
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:22,240
but are basically on the payroll
of Qasem Soleimani.
537
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:28,360
It took five years and an
extraordinary global coalition
538
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,840
to drive the Islamic State
from Iraq.
539
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:38,960
The West may well have
Qasem Soleimani to thank for that.
540
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:47,720
From a figure in the shadows,
541
00:42:47,720 --> 00:42:50,360
Qasem Soleimani has been transformed
542
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:54,720
into a revolutionary icon
in Iran and across the region.
543
00:42:56,240 --> 00:43:00,520
The evolution of Qasem Soleimani
from the shadow commander
544
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:04,080
to the star of Saturday Night Live,
if you will,
545
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:06,160
has been a fascinating one.
546
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:15,200
Clearly he - and one would have to
assume - the Supreme Leader
547
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:20,960
have thought it was the time to give
him an actual face and a role.
548
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,960
It showed his influence
to be enormous
549
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:28,280
and, of course, you know, when
you're in that position -
550
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,320
the victorious general,
if you will -
551
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,360
that does amplify very considerably
552
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:36,400
the influence that you have.
553
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:48,720
In Iran, there are even animated
films celebrating Soleimani
554
00:43:48,720 --> 00:43:52,680
as the commander of an imagined
battle for the Persian Gulf
555
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:54,120
against America.
556
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:57,600
Soleimani has become, in a way,
557
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,400
one of the sort of heroes
of ancient Iranian mythology.
558
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:04,160
He's become a modern-day
knight in shining armour,
559
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:07,040
who, by the sheer force
of will and his goodness,
560
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:10,200
has been able to banish all evil.
I mean, that's basically what it is.
561
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:13,400
Qasem Soleimani's
real-life victories
562
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,200
have not been confined to Iraq.
563
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:21,720
The shadow commander was a key
player during the long civil war
564
00:44:21,720 --> 00:44:23,320
in neighbouring Syria.
565
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,680
ARCHIVE: There's been further
violence in Syria -
566
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,240
the latest clashes between
pro-democracy activists
567
00:44:39,240 --> 00:44:42,440
and government forces.
The protests began six months ago.
568
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:46,480
CROWD CHANTS
569
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:50,320
When the trouble started in Syria,
570
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:52,360
there was one thing
we could be certain of -
571
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:57,440
that Iran would not let
the Assad government be overthrown.
572
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:00,680
He was their only ally,
the only one they could count on.
573
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,080
Syria, under the Assad family,
574
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,560
has been an ally of Iran
for decades.
575
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:13,640
Bashar al-Assad is part
of a minority sect
576
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:15,960
also linked to Shia Islam.
577
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:21,600
When his regime was on the brink,
Qasem Soleimani intervened.
578
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:26,400
Bashar al-Assad, at various times,
was really teetering on his throne.
579
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:31,520
And, first the Quds Force and some
Iranian forces came to the rescue.
580
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,120
Then they brought in
Lebanese Hezbollah
581
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,440
in very significant capabilities.
582
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:41,080
They brought in Shia militia from
countries that were in that region.
583
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:47,080
One of those militias
was led by Qais Khazali,
584
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:49,800
the scourge of British troops
in the Iraq War.
585
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:12,880
ARCHIVE: This will be remembered
as a crushing victory -
586
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:16,920
the rebellion against
President Assad in Aleppo is over.
587
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:22,160
I think Soleimani was critical
in saving the Assad regime.
588
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:24,480
It would have been unlikely
that the Assad regime
589
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:26,680
would have gotten the confidence
and, in some cases,
590
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:30,000
the competence to weather
those two or three years
591
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,880
where it really looked
like it was about to teeter.
592
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:40,160
Over eight gruelling years,
Assad's forces,
593
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:44,120
backed by Iran and Russia,
have held on to power in Syria.
594
00:46:46,720 --> 00:46:50,000
Qasem Soleimani appeared
on the streets there
595
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:51,800
to claim victory.
596
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:10,520
Qasem Soleimani's strategic
master plan
597
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:14,720
has increased Iranian influence
over the Middle East.
598
00:47:14,720 --> 00:47:18,280
In Iraq, the government is dominated
by the Shia majority,
599
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,800
with close links to Iran.
600
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:25,760
In Syria, Iran's ally, Assad,
still rules a shattered country.
601
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:32,680
And in Lebanon, the Shia militia -
Hezbollah - is growing in power.
602
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:36,800
I went to the director of the CIA
603
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:41,160
and, there, you could see unfolded
before you all of the activity
604
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:42,720
that was going on in the region.
605
00:47:42,720 --> 00:47:46,640
As he was the principal architect
606
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:51,000
of the actions that were seeking
607
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:54,840
to solidify the so-called
Shia Crescent,
608
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,640
and trying to establish,
for the first time,
609
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:01,200
a ground line of communications
that would link Iran
610
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:02,920
with Lebanese Hezbollah,
611
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,680
without having to fly
everything over.
612
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:10,840
Soleimani now has his eye
on the ultimate target -
613
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:15,360
America's ally,
the Little Satan - Israel.
614
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:17,480
His strategy is the strategy
of Iran.
615
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:20,920
To build a corridor
616
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:24,440
which will link between Tehran
617
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:28,160
and the Syrian beach
618
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,920
on the Mediterranean Sea, via Iraq.
619
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:36,280
You can bring much more weapon
systems
620
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:40,400
than you can carry
in cargo aeroplanes.
621
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:45,600
In addition to it, it will help
them to encircle Israel.
622
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:53,360
Al-Quds is the Arabic
name for Jerusalem.
623
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:59,360
Qasem Soleimani is the commander
of the Quds - the Jerusalem Force.
624
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:03,280
Their aim - the liberation
of the Holy City
625
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:05,080
and the defeat of Israel.
626
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,760
Iranian officials called many times
627
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:12,640
to wipe Israel out of the map.
628
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:15,440
Of course, we will not
allow it to happen.
629
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:24,160
Israel faces Qasem Soleimani's
proxy forces
630
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:26,120
to the north and the south.
631
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:32,320
He's provided weapons
to Palestinian militants,
632
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:34,560
supported them in their
long struggle
633
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:37,920
against the Israeli occupation
of the West Bank and Gaza.
634
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:45,440
In Lebanon, the Israelis say
that Iranian technology
635
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:49,520
is flowing to Hezbollah,
its long-standing ally,
636
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:53,560
just as it once did to the
Shia militias in Iraq.
637
00:49:56,120 --> 00:50:01,440
What they tried, lately, to do,
is to change the rockets
638
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:06,440
that Hezbollah have, in order to
make it much more accurate.
639
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:11,040
We have to pay attention to what's
going on in this front,
640
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:14,640
because Hezbollah has, today,
641
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:19,840
something like
120,000, 150,000 rockets.
642
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:26,120
Now, Qais Khazali,
Soleimani's old Iraqi friend,
643
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:28,720
has turned up
on the Lebanese border.
644
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,520
Should Israel fear your group?
645
00:50:57,520 --> 00:50:59,520
Should they fear Iran?
646
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:01,480
Should they fear Qasem Soleimani?
647
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:37,560
The Golan Heights -
648
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:41,640
Syrian territory occupied
by Israel for 50 years.
649
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:47,200
It's a new front line in the north
between Israel and Iran.
650
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:54,480
General Nitzan Alon is leading
Israel's military operations
651
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:56,280
against Qasem Soleimani.
652
00:51:56,280 --> 00:52:00,240
The Quds Force was determined
to entrench in Syria.
653
00:52:00,240 --> 00:52:04,680
I think that they understand
that if they will build their bases
654
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:07,280
and their infrastructure in Syria,
655
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:09,880
no-one could push them
back from there.
656
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:20,360
Qasem Soleimani began to probe
Israel's defences from Syria.
657
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:25,160
A drone was launched -
armed, Israel says, with explosives.
658
00:53:08,240 --> 00:53:10,000
And we took the shot.
659
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:19,200
ARCHIVE: Israel's Prime
Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu,
660
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:20,880
has launched a scathing attack
on Iran,
661
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:23,480
calling it the greatest
threat to our world.
662
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:27,240
ARCHIVE: ..and now their stand-off
runs right along Israel's border
663
00:53:27,240 --> 00:53:28,720
with Syria, where Iran...
664
00:53:28,720 --> 00:53:32,080
Iran denies that it sent
a drone into our airspace
665
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:34,160
to threaten our people.
666
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:37,880
Well, here's a piece
of that Iranian drone.
667
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,000
Or what's left of it
after we shot it down.
668
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:48,640
The Israelis attacked
the Quds Force base
669
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:50,600
they say launched the drone.
670
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:53,560
Since then, according to Israel,
671
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:56,960
they've carried out dozens of air
strikes in Syria
672
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:59,840
in response to Iranian missile
and rocket attacks.
673
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:06,600
Qasem Soleimani and the Quds Force
thought that they can deter Israel
674
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:10,040
by launching rockets
into the Golan Heights.
675
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:13,160
They tried to launch 32 rockets,
676
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:16,400
just to the area we are
sitting in right now.
677
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:18,160
We attacked back and we strike
678
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:22,000
most of the Quds Force
infrastructure it had.
679
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:28,960
ARCHIVE: Israel's military
says it's started hitting
680
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:30,560
Iranian targets in Syria...
681
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:32,600
ARCHIVE: ..says the
overnight operation
682
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:36,040
targeted the elite Quds Force of the
Iranian Revolutionary Guards...
683
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:40,280
INTERVIEWER: Do you think that Qasem
Soleimani has learned his lesson?
684
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:44,440
I think that he has underestimated
Israeli capabilities,
685
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:47,920
and maybe overestimated his
capabilities against Israel.
686
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:53,000
But I'm not sure that he
learned the lesson yet.
687
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:58,640
INTERVIEWER: Would Israel kill
Qasem Soleimani if Israel could?
688
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:01,880
I can only say, every terrorist -
689
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:03,760
and, by the way, he is a terrorist,
690
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:08,040
and Quds is on the list
of terror organisations -
691
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:14,000
so, every terrorist should
remember very vividly
692
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:17,440
that he might be a target,
693
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:21,160
and there is no immunity
to terrorists.
694
00:55:28,240 --> 00:55:31,680
Today, there's a new
reality in the Middle East.
695
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:33,800
ARCHIVE: It's about the only use
they've got, now,
696
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:35,240
for American Coca-Cola bottles.
697
00:55:35,240 --> 00:55:37,600
ARCHIVE: As the Islamic militants of
Isis overwhelm...
698
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:39,240
President Trump has declared
699
00:55:39,240 --> 00:55:42,000
the fight against the Islamic State
has been won.
700
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:45,760
Roger! Requesting ammo resupply.
Over.
701
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:49,440
He's pulling troops
out of Syria and Iraq -
702
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:53,040
but he's put America's
old enemy on notice...
703
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:58,240
DONALD TRUMP: My administration
has acted decisively to confront
704
00:55:58,240 --> 00:56:03,200
the world's leading state sponsor
of terror -
705
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:06,560
the radical regime in Iran.
706
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:10,000
It is a radical regime.
707
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:12,320
They do bad, bad things.
708
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:17,680
..and Qasem Soleimani is now
the face and voice of the enemy.
709
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:21,440
I see an adversary that is
continuing to operate
710
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:24,000
with relative impunity
in the region.
711
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:27,920
That's an enemy that
should be eliminated.
712
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:32,480
Has Qasem Soleimani ever
been on an American kill list?
713
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:35,760
Well, I obviously can't comment
714
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:40,160
whether Qasem Soleimani has ever
been on any kind of target list...
715
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:45,160
..but, I might note that he
certainly never set foot in Iraq,
716
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:48,280
much less did a selfie
with Shia militia in Iraq,
717
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:50,760
when I was commanding the surge.
718
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:53,320
So, perhaps, you might
have been tempted?
719
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:59,520
It would have been a wonderful thing
had Qasem Soleimani
720
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:02,040
ended up on the X, as they say.
721
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:21,240
America, you know, we, kind of
like dastardly villains to hate,
722
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:24,640
and he has occupied
that space very nicely.
723
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:28,720
He is the quintessence
of global evil.
724
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:32,280
Not a sparrow falls
that Qasem Soleimani
725
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:34,440
didn't personally shoot it down.
726
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:39,960
I don't think we should view
him as an evil person.
727
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:43,480
I think we should view him...
Just like I believe in my country,
728
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:46,320
I think Qasem Soleimani
believes in his country.
729
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:49,560
Just as I would propagate,
you know, the aims of mine,
730
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:50,920
he would do his.
731
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:05,120
We can play his game,
we can fight him.
732
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:07,680
But I think if we want peace
in the Middle East and the region,
733
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:10,680
we've got to understand where
he's coming from and what he wants,
734
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:13,520
unless you want to be
in a perpetual conflict with Iran.
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