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Sean.
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I've got to go to work.
You can't stay here.
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No, you're all right. I'm on 3-11.
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So what? I'm not. Come on, shift.
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Sean!
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No, no. You might just have to miss
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- drama group this week.
- Why should I?
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Because logistically,
it's just not do-able!
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Couldn't I take them in a taxi?
Yes, Mum, you could. But.
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- Sounds good to me.
- They're in separate groups.
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You have to take one, come back,
take the other,
pick up the first one,
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then go back a third time
to fetch the second.
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- It's... It's ridiculous!
- I don't mind not going.
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Can I ask my dad to take us?
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You can. Please do.
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But assuming he might
be playing silly beggars,
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I wouldn't hold your breath.
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I'll work something out.
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I will make sure, one way or
another, that they get there.
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So... That was good, then.
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Yeah. It was all right.
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It was brilliant.
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Always is.
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I've got to go.
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Right. So, give me a ring if there's
anything that you're not sure of.
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We're really stretched on this one.
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- I knew Keith Fleming.
- Did you?
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When I was at Fulbrook
High in the 1980s.
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He'd just qualified.
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- He was a nice man.
- Was he?
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Quiet. Polite.
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I think that's where
he met his wife.
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And... was he...
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- A paedophile?
- Well...
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We haven't found anything
to suggest that. So...
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Right. Have a good day.
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Be good. Be polite. Be brainy.
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Don't you go overdoing it.
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Thanks, Mum.
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House-to-house has thrown
up a number of names
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Nadia routinely knocks
about with.
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Three of those names cropped up
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on her intelligence record.
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Anthony Stainfield, Nikki Madden,
Liam Welsh.
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The four of them were stopped in
a car two and a bit months since.
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A shitty, no insurance, no MOT.
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It was impounded, so we've
still got it over at Collyhurst.
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Given that it's reasonable to
assume some sort of vehicle was used
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to take Darren Rigby to
where he was set on fire,
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I want this car
gone over thoroughly,
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first job this morning.
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Let's get somebody over
there, Andy, with a CSI.
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Stainfield and Madden's address
is next door but one to Nadia's.
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So we should have spoken to them
by now in the house-to-house.
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But so far they haven't answered
their door which... God knows.
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This,
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I'm confident from his arrest
photo on a previous, is Liam Welsh.
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Address: 22 Ashburnham
Road, Ashfield.
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So let's pick him up for...
Well, suspicion of murder.
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He's got one of our
victims' debit cards.
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Any news on the lad
in the phone box?
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Syndicate Three has picked it up.
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DCI Dodson - don't say anything, Kevin -
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is SIO-ing the scene
for us and the PM.
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Aren't we assuming
that they're linked?
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No, we're assuming
they might be linked.
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The fact that he appears
to have known something
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about the people we're looking for
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suggests it's connected. But...
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equally, it doesn't mean that
was why he was killed. So...
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Has he been identified?
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His face was so badly pulped,
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he's unrecognisable.
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And there's no match
with his fingerprints or
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DNA from our database?
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Has the CSM found anything in Nadia's
house that we need to know about?
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- Not yet.
- What are you charging Nadia
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with for what she
did to Rachel, ma'am?
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GBH with intent.
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So if she makes a
complaint against me
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for twatting her over the
head with a fire extinguisher?
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She'll be wasting her time.
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I mean, what was she thinking?
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Trying to throttle a police
officer in broad daylight!
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Apart from the fact
that she appears to be
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involved in torturing
and murdering people.
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Nadia's not paid to think, boss.
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OK, let's have another go at
trying to get Nadia to talk to us.
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OK, Nadia,
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have you had any thoughts
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overnight about
anything?
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Anything that you
want to say to me?
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Or tell me?
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Or ask me?
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OK, Nadia. Moving on.
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Can you tell me, do you
know a lad called Liam Welsh?
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No.
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Do you know anyone who
has owned or had access
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to a white Vauxhall Astra
in the last six months?
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No.
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A couple of months ago, Nadia,
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you were in a white Vauxhall Astra
that was stopped by a police officer.
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What can you tell me about that?
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Just got stopped.
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I weren't doing anything.
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- Who were you with?
- Mates.
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So I'll ask you again.
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Do you know Liam Welsh?
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No comment.
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Nadia, I think you
do know Liam Welsh.
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When did you last see him?
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No comment.
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Have you seen him since you were with
him in the vehicle that got stop-checked?
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No comment.
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OK.
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Have you got any idea
how or why, two days ago,
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Liam Welsh was using
Keith Fleming's debit card?
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No comment.
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The same debit card
that Keith Fleming
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used at the ATM in
the Queen's Hotel
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when you went over to talk to him
and watched him put his PIN number in.
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Have you got any ideas how
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Liam Welsh might have
got hold of that card?
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No comment.
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How well do you know Nikki Madden?
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She lives next door but one to you.
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I don't.
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How well do you know
Anthony Stainfield?
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No comment.
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How many times have
you been in a car
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with Nikki Madden or
Anthony Stainfield?
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No comment.
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They were the names
given by the other people
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that you were with in
the white Vauxhall Astra
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that was stopped by
the police officer.
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How do you explain that?
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No comment.
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- Are you up?
- It's good you're still seeing Sean.
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I'm not still seeing Sean, Dom.
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He just... stayed over.
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How's your neck?
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Listen... It's fine.
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I've left you a ã20
note by the kettle.
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I want you to get a bus into town,
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buy yourself a newspaper
and go to the job centre.
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Go into all the big hotels
and restaurants.
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Ask if they've got any
jobs going in the kitchen.
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And if they haven't, then
leave them your phone number.
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So they can get hold of you
if something crops up later.
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- OK.
- Have you found it?
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Yeah.
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Right. There's cereal, there's bread,
there's tea, there's milk.
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Get some breakfast
inside you and text me.
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Let me know how you're getting on.
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- Dom?
- Yeah, yeah.
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Right. I've got to go.
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Liam Welsh, not at the
address in Ashburnham Road.
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Stepdad said he hadn't seen
him for three or four days
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and didn't see much of him anyway.
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- Have they searched it?
- Yeah.
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Hiya, Slap!
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We've identified the lad.
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Aaron Hicks. 17 years old.
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- Hicks. Not?
- Yeah.
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Brother of that
girl you've arrested.
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Andy, telephone box
lad is Nadia's brother.
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Aaron Hicks.
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Yeah, I tell you what, that post
mortem. Did you get my email?
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Every bone in his head shattered.
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Half his brain spread
across the pavement.
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Neck broken in three places.
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It's very different if
it's the same people -
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person -- to what they
did to Rigby and Fleming.
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- Yeah. This was frenzied.
- And some.
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Yeah. But...
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whoever did this was
shutting this boy up fast.
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It was a very different kind
of assault.
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It was expedient, but
it was just as vicious.
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You know she's his next
of kin, don't you? Nadia.
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There's no parents.
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Can you get one of your
people in to break it to her?
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Sure.
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Rachel.
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There's blood in the boot
and an empty petrol container.
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Hold on.
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Boss.
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Sorry.
Blood in the boot of the Astra.
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Just a second, Slap.
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Bring it in. We'll
fast-track it down the lab.
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- Did you hear that?
- Yeah.
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That Astra was registered as scrap
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18 months ago. October 2010.
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I want to know everyone who's
driven it since it went bandit.
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And specifically when
Stainfield
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or Madden got possession of it.
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You want to wait for the results
of this blood?
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No. It's blood and that
car was seized from them.
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I'm happy to make an arrest.
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Let's go knocking
on their door again.
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A bit louder this time.
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- Are you still there?
- Did you hear that?
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Yep.
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Police! Open the door!
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You're catching the dog.
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OK.
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Police!
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Oi! Oi!
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Police!
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Show yourselves!
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Police!
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Bleach.
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Steady! Steady!
Right, out you come.
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Hands where I can see them.
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Manchester Metropolitan Police
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Major Incident Team.
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What's your name?
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- Why?
- Just give the officer your name.
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- Come on, it's not rocket science.
- Nikki.
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- Nikki what?
- You're hurting me.
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- Nikki what?
- Come on out. I can see you.
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I'm arresting you on
suspicion of murder.
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- You don't say anything,
- Why?
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- But it may harm your defence
- Why?
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..if you do not
mention, when questioned,
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something you later
rely on in court.
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- What's your name?
- Anthony Stainfield.
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Your full name.
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Anthony... John... Stainfield.
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Is that your car outside?
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Right, put that on.
Let's get him downstairs.
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Last night?
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The reason we haven't
told you any sooner
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is we've only just identified him.
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Is there anything
you want to ask me?
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Aaron was badly
assaulted before he died.
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As yet, we've got no leads
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as to who might have
done this to him.
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What I need you to think
about for me, Nadia,
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and for Aaron,
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is anyone he might
have been frightened of,
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anyone who had a
grudge against him,
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anyone he owed money to.
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I'm going to give you
some time to yourself.
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But then Detective Constable
Scott is going to come back in
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and she'll talk to you.
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And see if you've had any thoughts.
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All right?
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Is there anyone
you'd like us to tell?
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There is no-one else.
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What's all this, then, lady?
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- Who are they
from? - No-one.
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Who?
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Yeah, I forgot. I sent them.
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- Did you?
- No.
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Stainfield and Madden checked in.
256
00:13:31,540 --> 00:13:34,730
Currently downstairs availing
themselves of our ensuite facilities.
257
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Any sign of Liam Welsh?
258
00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:38,450
I suppose that would
have been too easy.
259
00:13:38,460 --> 00:13:40,730
Result from Keith
Fleming's anal swab...
260
00:13:40,740 --> 00:13:42,850
Anthony Stainfield's semen.
261
00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:49,560
So pending just a bit more
forensic evidence from the house,
262
00:13:49,570 --> 00:13:52,180
I need to get Stainfield
and Madden talking.
263
00:13:52,190 --> 00:13:53,980
I want to hear
all their lies,
264
00:13:53,990 --> 00:13:55,490
all their rubbish, all their shit.
265
00:13:55,620 --> 00:13:59,580
In round two, we try and
piece together what did happen,
266
00:13:59,590 --> 00:14:03,160
more than likely, in
that room they bleached.
267
00:14:04,260 --> 00:14:06,080
I think he likes you, ma'am!
268
00:14:06,660 --> 00:14:07,960
Janet, get back in with Nadia.
269
00:14:07,970 --> 00:14:10,800
She had a telling reaction to
being told her brother was dead.
270
00:14:10,810 --> 00:14:12,240
- Telling, how?
- Well,
271
00:14:12,250 --> 00:14:13,550
I know everyone reacts differently,
272
00:14:13,560 --> 00:14:15,830
but she didn't ask me
one single question.
273
00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:18,780
Maybe that's because she
already knows the answers.
274
00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:21,570
You're FLO-ing on the Keith
Fleming job, aren't you?
275
00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:23,540
- Yep.
- How is his wife?
276
00:14:23,580 --> 00:14:26,460
She's put in a complaint about you.
277
00:14:26,470 --> 00:14:27,770
What?! I didn't do anything.
278
00:14:27,780 --> 00:14:29,410
Implying her husband
was a paedophile.
279
00:14:29,420 --> 00:14:30,960
I didn't. She implied it herself.
280
00:14:30,980 --> 00:14:33,340
You've got to be more delicate
with folk.
281
00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:35,420
OK. I don't know what she's told you.
282
00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:37,600
I did the job as delicately,
283
00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:40,150
as kindly, as I could.
She just went off on one.
284
00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:42,050
She's a very intelligent lady.
285
00:14:42,060 --> 00:14:44,040
She's not going to
be making stuff up.
286
00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:45,380
She's not...
287
00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:47,700
How much service have you got?
288
00:14:47,710 --> 00:14:49,670
Can I introduce you to
the great British public?
289
00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:53,250
You've not got the hots
for the widow, have you?
290
00:14:54,100 --> 00:14:56,570
It might all be
crossed wires, Rachel.
291
00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:58,950
I just think you
can come across as...
292
00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:00,620
What?
293
00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:03,230
Aggressive. Sometimes.
294
00:15:03,300 --> 00:15:04,780
Fuck off.
295
00:15:05,940 --> 00:15:07,420
I rest my case.
296
00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:10,460
So you are aware, Anthony, that
this interview is being videoed.
297
00:15:10,470 --> 00:15:12,180
And it may be shown in court,
298
00:15:12,190 --> 00:15:13,590
should we get that far.
299
00:15:13,620 --> 00:15:15,390
Could I... Before we start,
300
00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:17,540
my client has informed
me that he doesn't intend
301
00:15:17,550 --> 00:15:18,980
to answer any of your questions.
302
00:15:18,990 --> 00:15:20,360
That's his prerogative.
303
00:15:20,370 --> 00:15:22,530
You are aware I am going
to ask the questions anyway.
304
00:15:22,540 --> 00:15:24,110
Have you made that clear to him?
305
00:15:24,340 --> 00:15:26,510
- I have, yes.
- OK.
306
00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:28,920
Anthony,
307
00:15:28,930 --> 00:15:31,420
we are investigating the
murder of Darren Rigby.
308
00:15:32,740 --> 00:15:34,620
And the murder of Keith Fleming.
309
00:15:34,820 --> 00:15:37,340
I'd like to talk to you about
these two murders individually.
310
00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:39,060
So Anthony,
311
00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:42,280
could you tell me what you know
about the murder of Darren Rigby?
312
00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:43,780
No comment.
313
00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:49,500
Have you ever seen this man before?
314
00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:53,060
It's Darren Rigby.
315
00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:55,090
The man who was murdered.
316
00:15:57,280 --> 00:15:58,580
No comment.
317
00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:02,120
Has this man ever been in your house?
318
00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:04,860
No comment.
319
00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:08,990
I do appreciate how
upset you are, Nadia.
320
00:16:09,820 --> 00:16:13,720
But at the same time, you are
under arrest on suspicion of murder.
321
00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:18,530
And we are obliged to move
forward with that enquiry.
322
00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:22,400
Now we have reason to believe
323
00:16:22,410 --> 00:16:25,800
that there may be a link between
whoever killed Keith and Darren
324
00:16:25,810 --> 00:16:27,760
and whoever killed your brother.
325
00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:30,310
We know that you weren't
responsible for your brother's death
326
00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:33,250
because you were here
with us when that happened.
327
00:16:33,900 --> 00:16:37,000
So I'm going to ask you a
question I've asked before.
328
00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:42,780
Do you know Nikki Madden
and Anthony Stainfield?
329
00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:51,030
Like I told you, Nadia, they
live next door but one to you.
330
00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:52,340
No comment.
331
00:16:53,060 --> 00:16:56,230
They were in the same car
you were in two months ago,
332
00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:58,110
with Liam Welsh,
when the four of you
333
00:16:58,120 --> 00:16:59,440
were stopped by the police.
334
00:16:59,450 --> 00:17:01,600
So we know that you know them.
335
00:17:02,860 --> 00:17:05,980
Can you describe your relationship
with them to me?
336
00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:08,740
No comment.
337
00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:13,880
Nadia,
338
00:17:13,890 --> 00:17:18,130
the advice that your solicitor has
given to you not to comment is just that.
339
00:17:18,140 --> 00:17:21,840
Advice. You can decide to speak
to us if you want to.
340
00:17:21,850 --> 00:17:25,150
Can I just remind you that if
you are charged with murder,
341
00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:28,270
it will be you standing
in that dock in court.
342
00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:29,580
Not him.
343
00:17:29,590 --> 00:17:34,280
So if you've got anything to say
to us that will help you or us,
344
00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:37,290
I would advise you to give us
your side of events.
345
00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:38,900
No comment.
346
00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:50,480
Would you like a cup of tea?
347
00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:51,820
No comment.
348
00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:55,060
No...
349
00:17:56,040 --> 00:18:00,740
Nadia, I'm asking you,
would you like a cup of tea?
350
00:18:12,360 --> 00:18:14,400
- Oh, ma'am -
- That should be in a police kennel.
351
00:18:14,620 --> 00:18:16,960
I know, but Andy
wants me to get its DNA
352
00:18:16,970 --> 00:18:18,270
and paw prints.
353
00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:20,360
So do I do that downstairs?
354
00:18:20,370 --> 00:18:23,460
Like... You know... Humans. Or...
355
00:18:25,360 --> 00:18:27,370
So what do I...
356
00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:32,580
Who might be able to help with
doggie DNA and doggie paw prints?
357
00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:35,780
Think about it.
358
00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:39,380
A vet?
359
00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:42,270
- Any vet?
- I don't know!
360
00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:44,070
Pick up the phone and ring round.
361
00:18:44,140 --> 00:18:45,710
Call the dog section.
362
00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:47,740
And get a CSI to go with you.
363
00:18:49,820 --> 00:18:52,730
What drew you to MIT, Kevin?
364
00:18:52,740 --> 00:18:54,590
Oh, you know, kudos.
365
00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:56,540
Chick magnet. That sort of...
366
00:18:57,680 --> 00:18:58,980
..thing.
367
00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:01,950
Good afternoon,
this is DC Lumb, MIT.
368
00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:03,480
I'm wondering if
you're able to help me.
369
00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:05,980
No comment.
370
00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:11,140
The dog.
371
00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:13,760
The one that was in
your house, Nikki.
372
00:19:14,740 --> 00:19:16,210
Is that your dog?
373
00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:17,940
No comment.
374
00:19:19,820 --> 00:19:21,450
Do you know whose dog it is?
375
00:19:22,580 --> 00:19:23,880
No comment.
376
00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:25,960
Do you know where the dog came from?
377
00:19:25,970 --> 00:19:27,270
No comment.
378
00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:30,290
Why was the dog at your house?
379
00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:33,340
No comment.
380
00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,660
Anthony, did you abduct Darren Rigby?
381
00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:41,260
No comment.
382
00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,750
Were you involved in causing
any injuries to Darren Rigby?
383
00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:46,060
No comment.
384
00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:49,430
What physical contact did
you have with Darren Rigby?
385
00:19:50,540 --> 00:19:51,840
No comment.
386
00:19:52,020 --> 00:19:54,990
What sexual contact did
you have with Darren Rigby?
387
00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:56,300
No comment.
388
00:19:57,720 --> 00:19:59,880
Did you murder Darren Rigby?
389
00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:04,200
♪ No comment ♪
390
00:20:07,120 --> 00:20:09,300
Can I remind you, Anthony,
391
00:20:09,610 --> 00:20:11,430
that we are talking
about the sickening,
392
00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:14,450
horrendous murder
of a vulnerable man?
393
00:20:14,460 --> 00:20:17,220
Could you not sing at me?
394
00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:21,720
This tape may be shown to a
jury at some point in the future.
395
00:20:21,730 --> 00:20:25,760
Do you not think that your attitude
might come across as unusual?
396
00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:33,690
What a day! No bugger talking.
397
00:20:33,700 --> 00:20:36,540
And it's going to take Forensics
ten times longer than normal
398
00:20:36,550 --> 00:20:39,020
because of all the bleach
they've splashed around.
399
00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:40,850
What about the car
outside his house?
400
00:20:40,860 --> 00:20:43,240
Same. They've bleached the boot.
401
00:20:43,250 --> 00:20:44,550
Nice bit of circumstantial,
402
00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:45,860
but nothing you can
guarantee they won't
403
00:20:45,870 --> 00:20:47,290
- wriggle off on.
- Well, still got
404
00:20:47,300 --> 00:20:49,670
the blood in the boot
of the white Vauxhall.
405
00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:52,300
Still pending a match
with Darren Rigby's blood.
406
00:20:52,340 --> 00:20:55,130
- How come?
- We've not had a positive result yet.
407
00:20:55,180 --> 00:20:58,030
I heard her bollocking
some poor bugger at the lab.
408
00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:01,090
'I'm not paying for a
fucking premium rate result
409
00:21:01,100 --> 00:21:02,710
'and it taking this long!'
410
00:21:03,300 --> 00:21:04,780
What about Liam Welsh?
411
00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,580
Well, they've checked
all his known addresses,
412
00:21:07,590 --> 00:21:09,180
known associates.
413
00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:12,350
He's circulated as wanted
on PNC.
414
00:21:12,360 --> 00:21:15,760
But I assume he's worked out
he's in it up to his neck.
415
00:21:15,770 --> 00:21:18,280
So he'll be on his
toes. I would be.
416
00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:24,450
OK, go home. Get your heads down.
417
00:21:24,460 --> 00:21:26,980
Let's kick it off seven
o'clock tomorrow morning.
418
00:21:27,540 --> 00:21:29,150
You're doing really well.
419
00:21:29,770 --> 00:21:31,490
All of you. Honestly.
420
00:21:31,500 --> 00:21:32,800
It's just...
421
00:21:33,140 --> 00:21:35,260
Old story. Just need to
get one of them talking
422
00:21:35,270 --> 00:21:38,370
pending forensic evidence.
And we will get some.
423
00:21:38,380 --> 00:21:40,390
I just need one of them talking
424
00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:41,700
and the other two will follow suit.
425
00:21:41,710 --> 00:21:44,830
It's just finding a key.
This is...
426
00:21:45,140 --> 00:21:47,170
Shit, why would you defend people
427
00:21:47,180 --> 00:21:49,130
you knew had murdered your brother?
428
00:21:49,140 --> 00:21:51,760
I mean, it isn't like she's
not upset about it, is it?
429
00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:53,720
No, not in the least.
430
00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:55,420
What have they got over her?
431
00:21:55,770 --> 00:21:57,900
They killed Darren
because they needed to.
432
00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:00,280
Because they couldn't rely
on him to keep his gob shut.
433
00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:03,440
Assuming it was them...
that killed Darren.
434
00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:09,270
- We need Liam.
- Well, we'll get him.
435
00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:11,670
This is a lad who sits for
three weeks between arrests
436
00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:12,980
on average. So...
437
00:22:12,990 --> 00:22:14,290
So night-night!
438
00:22:14,420 --> 00:22:16,030
Thinking caps back on tomorrow.
439
00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:22,260
Night.
440
00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:25,040
Are we still on for tomorrow
night, birthday person?
441
00:22:25,380 --> 00:22:27,720
Haven't you got enough on at
home with your mum and Ade?
442
00:22:28,820 --> 00:22:30,920
Did you work out who
those flowers were from?
443
00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:32,980
- I know who it will be.
- Who?
444
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,040
- In fact...
- Who?!
445
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:39,300
Night.
446
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:41,340
Who?
447
00:22:42,380 --> 00:22:45,340
Have you got time
for a drink or...
448
00:22:46,300 --> 00:22:47,680
Do you mind?
449
00:22:48,740 --> 00:22:51,080
- Good night.
- Night.
450
00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:53,220
Hallelujah!
451
00:22:54,460 --> 00:22:56,940
We've had a call
from CID at Euston.
452
00:22:56,980 --> 00:22:59,000
British Transport
Police stop-checked a lad
453
00:22:59,010 --> 00:23:00,490
they suspected of soliciting.
454
00:23:00,500 --> 00:23:02,410
- Euston?
- Liam Welsh.
455
00:23:02,420 --> 00:23:05,330
They PNC'd him. Saw we'd
circulated him as wanted.
456
00:23:05,340 --> 00:23:06,640
They've arrested him.
457
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:07,980
Vinnie's getting me
a couple of night crew
458
00:23:07,990 --> 00:23:09,720
to drive down and pick him up.
459
00:23:10,530 --> 00:23:12,710
Adrian took the girls
to their drama group.
460
00:23:13,910 --> 00:23:15,470
- Did you see him?
- No.
461
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,490
No. He just sent them a
text and waited outside.
462
00:23:20,150 --> 00:23:21,450
Janet,
463
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:26,720
I honestly didn't say anything to him
that could be in any way misconstrued.
464
00:23:26,730 --> 00:23:28,760
Mum, it's fine.
465
00:23:28,980 --> 00:23:30,890
It wasn't about you.
466
00:23:31,770 --> 00:23:33,690
Has Taisie been all right?
467
00:23:34,910 --> 00:23:36,450
Not really.
468
00:23:37,450 --> 00:23:40,560
I think I should
go home and manage.
469
00:23:40,570 --> 00:23:42,400
And Adrian should move back in.
470
00:23:42,410 --> 00:23:43,710
No.
471
00:23:44,120 --> 00:23:46,310
It's over. It's been
over for some time.
472
00:23:46,550 --> 00:23:50,090
I've only put up with it because of
practical things like the girls...
473
00:23:54,860 --> 00:23:56,160
I've been...
474
00:23:56,780 --> 00:23:58,850
a wimp actually.
475
00:23:59,210 --> 00:24:01,090
If I'm being honest.
476
00:24:01,100 --> 00:24:04,350
I've pretended that there was
nothing wrong. And there is.
477
00:24:04,470 --> 00:24:07,280
We don't go anywhere together,
we don't do anything together.
478
00:24:07,290 --> 00:24:08,610
Isn't that because of your job?
479
00:24:08,620 --> 00:24:10,980
No. If we wanted to
do stuff together,
480
00:24:10,990 --> 00:24:12,760
we would. You find time.
481
00:24:13,290 --> 00:24:14,900
Look at Rachel.
She's got a life.
482
00:24:14,910 --> 00:24:16,890
She works just as hard as I do.
483
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,390
I come in and often...
484
00:24:22,430 --> 00:24:25,510
He just looks so miserable.
485
00:24:26,970 --> 00:24:29,290
I don't make him happy.
He doesn't make me happy.
486
00:24:29,300 --> 00:24:31,870
- Why go on?
- For the girls.
487
00:24:32,290 --> 00:24:35,310
And Rachel is 15
years younger than you.
488
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,460
She has no responsibilities.
489
00:24:37,470 --> 00:24:40,180
I've been doing it
for the girls for...
490
00:24:41,190 --> 00:24:44,680
God, longer than
I care to remember.
491
00:24:44,690 --> 00:24:48,920
There comes a point when it ceases
to be the responsible thing to do
492
00:24:48,930 --> 00:24:50,230
frankly.
493
00:24:52,390 --> 00:24:54,010
Somehow.
494
00:24:57,270 --> 00:24:59,030
Is there someone else?
495
00:25:02,290 --> 00:25:03,590
No.
496
00:25:23,810 --> 00:25:25,110
Who's that?
497
00:25:34,180 --> 00:25:35,940
I've just knocked off.
498
00:25:36,950 --> 00:25:39,320
Well, you see, this
is the difference
499
00:25:39,530 --> 00:25:42,920
between you lightweights in
uniform and us detectives.
500
00:25:44,060 --> 00:25:45,430
You were on 3-11.
501
00:25:45,450 --> 00:25:47,660
I started work at eight
o'clock this morning.
502
00:25:47,670 --> 00:25:49,900
And we've both just knocked off.
503
00:25:50,750 --> 00:25:52,430
So are you putting the kettle on?
504
00:25:52,790 --> 00:25:55,710
No, Sean. I'm going to bed.
505
00:25:57,010 --> 00:25:59,870
- On my own.
- Oh, that's no fun, is it?
506
00:26:01,370 --> 00:26:03,140
Come on, move along now.
507
00:26:03,710 --> 00:26:05,580
It's your birthday tomorrow.
508
00:26:06,070 --> 00:26:07,370
Is it?
509
00:26:07,470 --> 00:26:09,780
So what are we doing?
Where are we going?
510
00:26:13,380 --> 00:26:15,370
What's the question?
511
00:26:16,810 --> 00:26:19,130
Nothing. Go on, go to bed.
512
00:26:19,450 --> 00:26:21,050
I'll ring you tomorrow.
513
00:26:21,990 --> 00:26:23,950
I thought I had to
tell you something.
514
00:26:25,150 --> 00:26:26,450
What?
515
00:26:28,970 --> 00:26:31,530
Can't remember. It will come
back to me when you've gone.
516
00:26:34,310 --> 00:26:35,610
See you.
517
00:26:39,770 --> 00:26:41,070
Oh, yeah.
518
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,020
Thanks for the flowers, knobhead.
519
00:26:50,620 --> 00:26:52,550
OK. So do you
understand everything
520
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:54,620
I've explained to you
about your rights, Liam?
521
00:26:55,090 --> 00:26:57,360
- Yep.
- OK.
522
00:26:57,730 --> 00:26:59,620
So can you tell me what you know
523
00:26:59,630 --> 00:27:01,280
about the murder of Darren Rigby?
524
00:27:05,050 --> 00:27:06,350
No comment.
525
00:27:07,290 --> 00:27:09,260
Have you ever met Darren Rigby?
526
00:27:10,410 --> 00:27:11,710
No comment.
527
00:27:12,690 --> 00:27:14,900
Have you ever been in
a white Vauxhall Astra?
528
00:27:15,610 --> 00:27:16,910
No comment.
529
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:18,340
Boss, bit of a problem.
530
00:27:18,550 --> 00:27:21,220
Janet's not been able to kick off
the interview with Nadia again.
531
00:27:21,230 --> 00:27:23,100
Because the solicitor's
not turned up.
532
00:27:25,010 --> 00:27:26,640
Can you remember who
was in the Astra with you
533
00:27:26,650 --> 00:27:28,780
when you were stopped
by the police officer?
534
00:27:32,770 --> 00:27:35,340
- Have you got his mobile number?
- I've rung it.
535
00:27:35,360 --> 00:27:36,670
You've rung his office?
536
00:27:37,070 --> 00:27:39,810
Something has cropped up
apparently with another client.
537
00:27:39,820 --> 00:27:43,340
We're on a pace clock. We've only
got her for another six hours.
538
00:27:43,350 --> 00:27:44,690
What does he not get?
539
00:27:44,700 --> 00:27:48,440
- It's always the same ones.
- DC Scott, MIT.
540
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,240
Boss, it's him. The solicitor.
541
00:27:52,250 --> 00:27:55,070
He's just arrived.
He's just downstairs.
542
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,070
Mr. Cottrell, DCI Murray.
543
00:27:59,350 --> 00:28:00,830
It's half-past eleven.
544
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:02,620
We agreed last night
you'd be back in here
545
00:28:02,630 --> 00:28:04,100
at eight o'clock this morning.
546
00:28:04,110 --> 00:28:06,780
The first time we had this
conversation was over a year ago
547
00:28:06,790 --> 00:28:08,650
and it's happened
several times since.
548
00:28:08,660 --> 00:28:11,380
Last time, I said I'd report
you to the Law Society.
549
00:28:11,390 --> 00:28:12,690
Guess what. I didn't.
550
00:28:12,700 --> 00:28:14,590
This time, all bets are off.
551
00:28:14,610 --> 00:28:16,000
Get in that interview room now
552
00:28:16,010 --> 00:28:19,420
or I'm talking to your senior
partner and your arse is grass.
553
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,630
OK, Nadia, I have to tell you again
554
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:41,080
that you have been arrested
on suspicion of murder.
555
00:28:41,430 --> 00:28:43,170
And I need to remind you that
556
00:28:43,180 --> 00:28:46,070
this interview is being
video-recorded. And -
557
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,120
I saw Liam's name on the
board outside the cells.
558
00:28:50,610 --> 00:28:52,010
Does that mean you've got him?
559
00:28:55,750 --> 00:28:57,050
Yes.
560
00:28:57,310 --> 00:28:59,290
He was arrested last night.
561
00:29:03,170 --> 00:29:04,850
Are you charging
him with our Aaron?
562
00:29:05,310 --> 00:29:07,490
We're not dealing with
what happened to Aaron.
563
00:29:07,500 --> 00:29:09,190
Another syndicate is.
564
00:29:10,020 --> 00:29:12,290
But do you have reason
to believe that Liam might
565
00:29:12,300 --> 00:29:14,230
have had something to do
with your brother's death?
566
00:29:24,310 --> 00:29:25,970
He knew things.
567
00:29:27,050 --> 00:29:28,490
What went on at that house.
568
00:29:29,090 --> 00:29:30,390
Aaron did.
569
00:29:31,130 --> 00:29:33,060
- Nadia, can I just remind you...
- Hiya.
570
00:29:33,170 --> 00:29:35,480
Can you tell the boss that
Nadia's started talking?
571
00:29:35,990 --> 00:29:37,680
I understand that. I'm not thick.
572
00:29:37,890 --> 00:29:39,190
The thing is...
573
00:29:40,210 --> 00:29:42,910
Tony and Liam between them,
they're...
574
00:29:43,410 --> 00:29:45,590
..evil and weird.
575
00:29:47,950 --> 00:29:50,930
Liam will try and tell you
that it was all me and Nikki.
576
00:29:50,940 --> 00:29:53,380
But it weren't.
577
00:29:54,810 --> 00:29:57,790
Can you just start at
the beginning, Nadia?
578
00:29:58,190 --> 00:30:02,230
How is Liam connected
to Nikki and Tony?
579
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:04,340
Our Aaron.
580
00:30:05,650 --> 00:30:07,640
He took him round there.
581
00:30:07,850 --> 00:30:09,150
Liam.
582
00:30:09,630 --> 00:30:10,930
When they were friends.
583
00:30:12,940 --> 00:30:16,210
And then he started going
round there without our Aaron.
584
00:30:18,570 --> 00:30:20,310
I don't know. I don't know.
585
00:30:21,650 --> 00:30:23,820
Him and Liam...
586
00:30:27,750 --> 00:30:30,560
Are you going to tell me
what happened to Darren Rigby?
587
00:30:31,770 --> 00:30:33,070
Nadia?
588
00:30:34,690 --> 00:30:37,330
Liam... reckoned Darren
589
00:30:37,340 --> 00:30:38,780
owed him ã5 for t'dog.
590
00:30:38,810 --> 00:30:41,260
You know, the one
you asked me about.
591
00:30:42,250 --> 00:30:44,090
Darren said that he didn't.
592
00:30:44,390 --> 00:30:46,620
And that he'd already paid him.
593
00:30:48,190 --> 00:30:51,460
So they decided to
teach him a lesson.
594
00:30:51,470 --> 00:30:52,770
Who did?
595
00:30:53,770 --> 00:30:55,210
Tony and Liam.
596
00:30:55,230 --> 00:30:56,980
What about Nikki?
597
00:31:05,050 --> 00:31:07,910
She picked up Darren and
Keith simply as punters.
598
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:09,700
She had no idea, she says,
599
00:31:09,710 --> 00:31:12,140
at that stage, what they
were going to do to them.
600
00:31:12,730 --> 00:31:14,340
I buy that with Darren Rigby.
601
00:31:14,350 --> 00:31:15,860
Not with Keith Fleming.
602
00:31:15,870 --> 00:31:18,010
She picks men up all
the time for money.
603
00:31:18,020 --> 00:31:20,150
It's her job. She picked
up plenty of other men,
604
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:21,700
between Darren and Keith,
605
00:31:21,710 --> 00:31:24,340
who Stainfield and Liam hadn't
lured round to the other house
606
00:31:24,350 --> 00:31:25,740
and pounced on.
607
00:31:25,810 --> 00:31:28,050
OK, but Nikki Madden,
she lives in that house.
608
00:31:28,060 --> 00:31:29,520
She must have known
what was going on.
609
00:31:29,530 --> 00:31:30,830
Of course she did.
610
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:34,640
But she won't talk about
Nikki. She just cries.
611
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:35,980
Why?
612
00:31:36,490 --> 00:31:38,890
I think that she's in love with her.
613
00:31:39,300 --> 00:31:42,110
I think that that's the
reason she's been silent.
614
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,200
To protect Nikki.
615
00:31:44,210 --> 00:31:46,860
It's been a toss-up for
her whether to protect Nikki
616
00:31:46,870 --> 00:31:50,120
or dob Stainfield and Liam in it.
617
00:31:50,140 --> 00:31:53,320
And she couldn't dob them in
it without implicating Nikki.
618
00:31:53,850 --> 00:31:56,060
OK. Let's get back in there.
619
00:31:56,070 --> 00:31:57,600
See how the others
react once they know
620
00:31:57,610 --> 00:31:58,910
Nadia's talking.
621
00:32:03,990 --> 00:32:05,490
It was all Nikki's idea.
622
00:32:06,090 --> 00:32:07,700
All the stuff we did to him.
623
00:32:08,370 --> 00:32:11,010
It were Tony did stuff.
624
00:32:11,210 --> 00:32:13,400
But Liam were the one egging him on.
625
00:32:13,420 --> 00:32:15,150
Tony can be a nutter.
626
00:32:15,770 --> 00:32:17,640
Liam's a freak.
627
00:32:17,830 --> 00:32:19,420
Nikki's evil.
628
00:32:20,110 --> 00:32:22,040
Nikki and Nadia together...
629
00:32:23,650 --> 00:32:26,060
Tony's terrified of Nikki.
630
00:32:26,670 --> 00:32:29,990
She made him give that
second bloke one up the arse.
631
00:32:30,990 --> 00:32:32,380
She made him.
632
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,970
Can we start at the beginning?
Can we go right back?
633
00:32:36,180 --> 00:32:38,640
Going back to the night that
Aaron was round at your house,
634
00:32:38,650 --> 00:32:39,950
and told Liam
635
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:41,840
that Darren was
round at Nadia's house
636
00:32:41,850 --> 00:32:44,650
with the dog that
he owed this ã5 for.
637
00:32:45,790 --> 00:32:47,630
God, now you're asking.
638
00:32:49,130 --> 00:32:50,690
I've slept since then.
639
00:32:51,140 --> 00:32:52,690
So Aaron were round ours
640
00:32:52,700 --> 00:32:55,430
whingeing
about Darren being round at Nadia's.
641
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,060
Tony said, 'Ring Nadia.
642
00:32:58,070 --> 00:32:59,950
'Get her to bring
Darren round here.
643
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,790
'And I'll get your
ã5 off him for you.'
644
00:33:03,850 --> 00:33:07,110
I don't think he wanted Liam
to get the ã5.
645
00:33:07,540 --> 00:33:10,830
I think he wanted Darren
round at our house to,
646
00:33:10,870 --> 00:33:13,460
like, prove something to Liam.
647
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:15,220
That he's a hard man.
648
00:33:16,030 --> 00:33:17,960
I think he would
have been disappointed
649
00:33:18,500 --> 00:33:21,360
if Darren had give him the ã5.
650
00:33:22,130 --> 00:33:24,530
How did Darren end
up in the bedroom?
651
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,280
I think he was so pissed,
he just crashed out.
652
00:33:28,850 --> 00:33:31,940
So he went upstairs by himself.
653
00:33:32,010 --> 00:33:34,610
I don't know. I don't
know how he got upstairs.
654
00:33:36,410 --> 00:33:39,440
But I could still hear Tony going
on at him after he went upstairs.
655
00:33:40,690 --> 00:33:42,740
I don't know. I went home.
656
00:33:44,750 --> 00:33:46,620
I didn't know they were
going to keep him there.
657
00:33:49,570 --> 00:33:52,370
Next morning, I'd crashed.
658
00:33:52,870 --> 00:33:54,750
Darren had puked everywhere.
659
00:33:54,780 --> 00:33:56,510
All down his self.
660
00:33:57,210 --> 00:33:58,790
Nikki was shouting at him.
661
00:33:58,910 --> 00:34:01,160
'You dirty bastard', like this.
662
00:34:02,270 --> 00:34:04,220
She made him take his clothes off.
663
00:34:04,370 --> 00:34:07,460
So she could wash him, she said.
664
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,620
Filthy git.
665
00:34:09,630 --> 00:34:12,490
So I'm downstairs.
666
00:34:12,500 --> 00:34:15,180
- I was downstairs.
- I'd gone out.
667
00:34:15,190 --> 00:34:17,960
And I heard this banging.
668
00:34:17,970 --> 00:34:21,550
Like nails being knocked into wood.
669
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:23,140
Nikki and Nadia,
670
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:26,980
it were them two strung
him up on the door.
671
00:34:27,290 --> 00:34:30,010
I come home mid-afternoon.
672
00:34:30,540 --> 00:34:31,840
And there he was.
673
00:34:32,930 --> 00:34:35,830
Like, 'What are you playing at?
674
00:34:36,270 --> 00:34:37,740
'What are you doing?'
675
00:34:37,810 --> 00:34:39,480
He were crying.
676
00:34:41,010 --> 00:34:42,620
He must have been there days.
677
00:34:43,300 --> 00:34:46,390
Because I didn't go back in there
till...
678
00:34:47,890 --> 00:34:50,250
..Wednesday, I think it was.
679
00:34:50,260 --> 00:34:51,560
Yeah.
680
00:34:52,450 --> 00:34:53,900
Three days later.
681
00:34:55,650 --> 00:34:57,960
Nikki said that it was Tony
and Liam.
682
00:34:57,970 --> 00:35:01,380
And how she couldn't stop them.
683
00:35:02,230 --> 00:35:04,310
It were Nikki's idea to burn him.
684
00:35:04,650 --> 00:35:06,190
I went with them.
685
00:35:06,270 --> 00:35:09,570
Because I were frightened of
what would happen if I didn't.
686
00:35:09,580 --> 00:35:11,380
If I hadn't have gone,
687
00:35:11,390 --> 00:35:13,560
Anthony would have got nasty.
688
00:35:14,250 --> 00:35:17,230
He never used to be like
that before he met Liam.
689
00:35:18,220 --> 00:35:19,520
Anyway,
690
00:35:20,490 --> 00:35:23,660
Tony said we were all in
it together by that time.
691
00:35:24,810 --> 00:35:26,400
Whether we liked it or not.
692
00:35:26,410 --> 00:35:29,390
Nikki said we were in
it together by then.
693
00:35:30,580 --> 00:35:32,190
Whether we liked it or not.
694
00:35:32,730 --> 00:35:34,030
So...
695
00:35:34,650 --> 00:35:37,220
Can we move on to the murder
of Keith Fleming?
696
00:35:38,220 --> 00:35:40,520
Is there anything that
you can tell me about that?
697
00:35:41,190 --> 00:35:42,650
It were Nadia.
698
00:35:45,470 --> 00:35:47,510
Trying to get inside
Nikki's knickers.
699
00:35:49,450 --> 00:35:50,750
She said...
700
00:35:52,810 --> 00:35:54,310
'Do you want to do another?'
701
00:35:56,770 --> 00:35:58,580
'Do you want me to
get you another one?'
702
00:36:01,140 --> 00:36:02,510
Aren't they all lovely?
703
00:36:02,710 --> 00:36:05,580
Nadia thinks her and Nikki
are Thelma and Louise.
704
00:36:05,590 --> 00:36:08,340
Nikki thinks her and Stainfield
are Bonnie and Clyde.
705
00:36:08,350 --> 00:36:11,190
And Stainfield thinks him and
Liam are Brokeback Mountain.
706
00:36:12,170 --> 00:36:14,570
Who's the closest to
telling the truth? Anybody?
707
00:36:15,470 --> 00:36:18,420
I keep thinking Nadia
because she's so thick.
708
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,320
The more Nadia says, the more
it's riddled with holes.
709
00:36:21,340 --> 00:36:22,640
Of course it is.
710
00:36:22,710 --> 00:36:24,010
Are they all psychopaths?
711
00:36:24,020 --> 00:36:26,260
In my expert medical opinion?
712
00:36:26,270 --> 00:36:28,480
Not Nadia. She's too thick.
713
00:36:28,490 --> 00:36:31,390
Stainfield is. He's
a wanker anyway.
714
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,610
In my expert medical opinion.
715
00:36:33,770 --> 00:36:35,070
He said to me,
716
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:36,900
'Can you call me Tony?
717
00:36:36,910 --> 00:36:38,510
'Only my mother calls me Anthony.
718
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,080
'And that's when I've done
something wrong and I'm in trouble.'
719
00:36:41,270 --> 00:36:43,720
Does he think this isn't
trouble?!
720
00:36:44,070 --> 00:36:46,190
I feel a bit sorry for Nadia.
721
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,330
I think if she
hadn't met that lot...
722
00:36:48,350 --> 00:36:50,540
I don't think she's actually evil.
723
00:36:50,890 --> 00:36:52,380
Shall we agree to differ?
724
00:36:52,410 --> 00:36:55,440
I think she did what she
did because in their sad,
725
00:36:55,650 --> 00:36:58,470
tiny, nasty little world,
726
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,780
Stainfield and Madden
are the closest thing that
727
00:37:00,790 --> 00:37:03,320
her and Aaron have ever
had to a proper family.
728
00:37:04,410 --> 00:37:06,000
See you upstairs, ladies.
729
00:37:09,420 --> 00:37:12,920
Why don't you want Andy
to know about you and Ade?
730
00:37:20,170 --> 00:37:22,840
I've been seeing him again.
731
00:37:23,130 --> 00:37:24,640
Andy. Well...
732
00:37:25,390 --> 00:37:27,020
Not seeing him.
733
00:37:27,810 --> 00:37:30,550
You know that night
when you and Gill were...
734
00:37:31,490 --> 00:37:33,640
It was the day that
Nick Savage got arrested.
735
00:37:33,650 --> 00:37:35,820
And I was waiting here for you.
736
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:37,140
Yeah.
737
00:37:39,390 --> 00:37:41,030
We had a bit of a snog.
738
00:37:41,240 --> 00:37:43,970
And we've kept on
having a bit of a snog.
739
00:37:43,990 --> 00:37:48,010
And I don't want Andy to think that
I've split up with Ade because of him.
740
00:37:48,020 --> 00:37:51,990
Because I haven't. But Andy won't
see it that way, believe you me.
741
00:37:52,010 --> 00:37:53,310
He'll want to move in.
742
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,960
Or he'll want me and the
girls to move in with him.
743
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,210
It's just not what I want.
744
00:38:09,890 --> 00:38:13,640
Right. We have now
got CCTV of Nikki
745
00:38:13,650 --> 00:38:15,780
buying bleach from the local shop.
746
00:38:15,890 --> 00:38:19,390
We've got the receipt, we've got
the shopkeeper identifying her.
747
00:38:19,690 --> 00:38:21,480
It struck him as odd
because she's normally
748
00:38:21,490 --> 00:38:23,800
only ever in there buying
caviar and Champagne.
749
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,390
Syndicate Three have got CCTV
750
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,910
of three people chasing Aaron Hicks
751
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:30,510
minutes before he was murdered.
752
00:38:30,710 --> 00:38:32,700
And they've recovered
clothing from the house
753
00:38:32,710 --> 00:38:35,620
that identifies two of
the people on the CCTV
754
00:38:35,630 --> 00:38:36,990
as Stainfield and Madden.
755
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,230
The other, presumably, is Liam.
To be confirmed.
756
00:38:40,240 --> 00:38:42,430
So that's it. I'm seeking authority
757
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:46,340
to charge Nadia, Stainfield,
Nikki Madden and Liam Welsh
758
00:38:46,490 --> 00:38:49,490
with the murders of Darren
Rigby and Keith Fleming.
759
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:53,980
And Stainfield, Madden and Welsh
with the murder of Aaron Hicks.
760
00:38:54,090 --> 00:38:55,880
Yes, very good.
761
00:38:58,310 --> 00:39:00,640
I want to see their faces
when you charge them.
762
00:39:00,650 --> 00:39:01,950
- Why?
- Because I'm seeing
763
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:03,500
Keith Fleming's
widow in half an hour.
764
00:39:03,510 --> 00:39:05,320
I know what the third
question will be.
765
00:39:05,330 --> 00:39:06,700
'Did they show any remorse?'
766
00:39:06,710 --> 00:39:08,760
I want to be able to
give her a proper answer.
767
00:39:18,210 --> 00:39:19,940
- Who's she?
- Shut up.
768
00:39:20,290 --> 00:39:21,990
Anthony John Stainfield,
769
00:39:22,020 --> 00:39:24,240
you are charged with
the offences shown below.
770
00:39:24,270 --> 00:39:25,570
You do not have to say anything.
771
00:39:25,580 --> 00:39:27,950
But it may harm your defence
if you do not mention now
772
00:39:28,180 --> 00:39:30,130
something which you may
later rely on in court.
773
00:39:30,190 --> 00:39:32,780
Anything you do say may
be given in evidence.
774
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,650
You are charged that between
Friday the 9th of December 2011
775
00:39:37,660 --> 00:39:40,080
and Friday the 23rd
of December 2011,
776
00:39:40,390 --> 00:39:43,790
you did murder Darren Rigby,
contrary to common law.
777
00:39:43,850 --> 00:39:47,950
You are also charged that between
Saturday the 18th of February 2012
778
00:39:47,990 --> 00:39:50,480
and Saturday the
25th of February 2012,
779
00:39:50,730 --> 00:39:52,940
you did murder
Keith Howard Fleming,
780
00:39:52,950 --> 00:39:54,460
contrary to common law.
781
00:39:54,730 --> 00:39:56,950
You are also charged with rape.
782
00:39:57,610 --> 00:40:00,270
In that between Saturday
the 18th of February 2012
783
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,650
and Saturday the
25th of February 2012,
784
00:40:03,010 --> 00:40:04,830
you had sexual intercourse per anum
785
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,230
with Keith Howard Fleming
without his consent.
786
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,780
Contrary to section one
of the Sexual Offences Act 2003.
787
00:40:10,890 --> 00:40:15,370
And section 142 of the Criminal
Justice And Public Order Act 1994.
788
00:40:15,720 --> 00:40:17,220
You've heard
what the officer's said.
789
00:40:17,240 --> 00:40:18,680
Is there anything
you'd like to say?
790
00:40:19,610 --> 00:40:20,910
Sign there.
791
00:40:29,090 --> 00:40:30,450
Can you bring me Nikki Madden?
792
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:34,930
What's the first two questions?
793
00:40:36,530 --> 00:40:37,830
Did he suffer?
794
00:40:38,570 --> 00:40:40,410
And why. Why him?
795
00:40:40,610 --> 00:40:42,050
And just why.
796
00:40:42,490 --> 00:40:44,040
I'll see if I can talk to
her about that complaint
797
00:40:44,050 --> 00:40:45,410
against you as well.
798
00:40:55,450 --> 00:40:58,250
Before I take you down to the
custody desk to charge you, Nadia,
799
00:40:58,260 --> 00:41:00,000
there's something I need to ask.
800
00:41:01,050 --> 00:41:02,790
Is there someone that
you'd like us to contact
801
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:04,770
to arrange Aaron's funeral?
802
00:41:05,970 --> 00:41:07,550
There is no-one.
803
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:10,420
What will happen?
804
00:41:10,630 --> 00:41:13,070
Social Services will deal with it.
805
00:41:14,010 --> 00:41:15,660
Who will be there?
806
00:41:15,910 --> 00:41:17,480
They'll let me go, won't they? I mean...
807
00:41:17,590 --> 00:41:21,090
It's down to the prison.
Whichever prison you get sent to.
808
00:41:21,290 --> 00:41:23,050
But often, no.
809
00:41:23,750 --> 00:41:25,050
Then...
810
00:41:26,930 --> 00:41:28,570
Nobody will be there.
811
00:41:31,850 --> 00:41:33,450
I'll go.
812
00:41:35,650 --> 00:41:37,690
- Will you?
- Yeah.
813
00:41:38,890 --> 00:41:40,190
Really?
814
00:41:41,430 --> 00:41:42,940
Promise me.
815
00:41:43,170 --> 00:41:44,470
I promise.
816
00:41:45,310 --> 00:41:46,610
Right.
817
00:41:47,050 --> 00:41:48,350
Come on.
818
00:42:00,290 --> 00:42:02,120
Oh, shit.
819
00:42:14,650 --> 00:42:16,430
Oh, great. Nice one.
820
00:42:19,930 --> 00:42:21,240
Hello, hello, hello.
821
00:42:23,570 --> 00:42:24,870
So...
822
00:42:25,580 --> 00:42:27,240
What are we doing for
your birthday, then,
823
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:29,220
madam?
824
00:42:31,310 --> 00:42:33,550
I thought we were just going
round your friend's house.
825
00:42:34,190 --> 00:42:35,820
Yeah, well, we were. But...
826
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:38,180
But it's changed.
827
00:42:38,650 --> 00:42:41,040
Into less about my birthday
828
00:42:41,050 --> 00:42:43,830
and more about nailing
these four mad bastards.
829
00:42:44,590 --> 00:42:46,360
- I'll stay here.
- No, come on.
830
00:42:46,390 --> 00:42:47,960
It will do you good to get out.
831
00:42:49,270 --> 00:42:51,050
Just don't tell them
832
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:52,740
that you did four
years for armed robbery.
833
00:42:53,490 --> 00:42:54,790
All right?
834
00:42:57,410 --> 00:42:59,380
You sit behind desks all day.
835
00:42:59,390 --> 00:43:00,690
I do real police work.
836
00:43:00,700 --> 00:43:03,550
Are you sure? How do you
confuse a traffic cop?
837
00:43:03,910 --> 00:43:05,910
Give them a piece of paper
with 'please turn over'
838
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:07,250
written on both sides!
839
00:43:08,070 --> 00:43:09,370
Very funny.
840
00:43:09,380 --> 00:43:11,760
How do you put a twinkle
in a traffic cop's eye?
841
00:43:11,780 --> 00:43:13,080
Shine a torch through his ears!
842
00:43:13,290 --> 00:43:14,590
Comedians.
843
00:43:14,810 --> 00:43:17,150
- Gs Gilll coming?
- I hope so.
844
00:43:17,250 --> 00:43:18,550
That's good.
845
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:20,320
She went to see Keith Fleming's
widow.
846
00:43:20,750 --> 00:43:22,380
I'm going to the toilet.
847
00:43:22,530 --> 00:43:24,440
- OK.
- Is she all right?
848
00:43:25,450 --> 00:43:28,370
Did you work out
who those flowers were from?
849
00:43:28,380 --> 00:43:29,680
Yeah.
850
00:43:29,940 --> 00:43:31,870
Sean, thanks for the flowers.
851
00:43:32,890 --> 00:43:34,510
What? What flowers?
852
00:43:34,540 --> 00:43:35,840
Yesterday.
853
00:43:36,030 --> 00:43:37,690
I didn't send you any flowers.
854
00:43:37,710 --> 00:43:39,010
Yes, you did.
855
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:40,970
No, I didn't.
856
00:43:41,430 --> 00:43:43,850
- Well, who sent them, then?
- I don't know.
857
00:43:43,860 --> 00:43:47,630
You lot are the detectives.
I'm just simple-minded uniform.
858
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:49,120
You said it, sweetheart!
859
00:43:49,730 --> 00:43:51,940
And what do you do, Dom?
860
00:43:53,170 --> 00:43:55,460
I'm between jobs
just at the moment.
861
00:43:55,510 --> 00:43:57,010
The boss is here.
862
00:43:57,790 --> 00:44:00,360
Wasn't she dignified
on the news last week.
863
00:44:00,370 --> 00:44:02,010
- Did you see her?
- What, Godzilla?
864
00:44:02,070 --> 00:44:03,370
I said to Janet -
865
00:44:03,380 --> 00:44:06,730
I could be where Gill is now
if only I was so marvellous.
866
00:44:06,740 --> 00:44:08,630
Evening all! Happy birthday, kid!
867
00:44:09,170 --> 00:44:12,790
Ian Fielding, head of
MIT, rings me up just now.
868
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,040
I'm thinking he's going to
go, 'Job well done, Gilll'.
869
00:44:15,050 --> 00:44:18,420
All this. He goes, 'I've just seen
your overtime bill on this job.
870
00:44:18,430 --> 00:44:21,330
I've seen all these overtime
slips you've been signing.
871
00:44:21,340 --> 00:44:22,930
'It's a bit over
the top, isn't it?'
872
00:44:22,940 --> 00:44:24,280
I thought, 'Fuck you, buster!'
873
00:44:24,770 --> 00:44:26,680
Sorry.
Right, who's buying?
874
00:44:26,690 --> 00:44:28,080
I am going to get hammered.
875
00:44:28,090 --> 00:44:29,580
Oh, hello, Dorothy. How are you?
876
00:44:30,130 --> 00:44:31,430
Pete!
877
00:44:32,610 --> 00:44:33,910
Get a bottle!
878
00:44:43,450 --> 00:44:45,620
Taisie! Are you all right, love?
879
00:44:45,730 --> 00:44:48,270
Just ringing my dad but
he's not answering his phone.
880
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:50,010
He'll ring you back
if you left a message.
881
00:44:50,220 --> 00:44:51,680
- Is he not coming tonight?
- No.
882
00:44:54,290 --> 00:44:55,950
They've split up.
883
00:45:01,980 --> 00:45:07,960
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