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Okay.
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Fuck.
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Okay.
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All right. Let's go.
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Found it.
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What is it?
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Oh my God.
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Ugh.
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Jeez.
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So many files.
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How far back does this go?
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What is this?
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"Study hall log, May 2nd, 2005."
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Oh, I remember her.
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Didn't she die?
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I can't keep up.
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We don't know
why all these files ended up in here.
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And there's birth certificates,
Social Security cards, medical records,
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detailed, handwritten notes
about the most insane shit.
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Oh fuck.
I feel like I'm in the pit of despair.
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What do you do
if your child gets caught
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in a cycle of self-destructive
or even dangerous behavior?
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Some desperate parents are turning
to a drastic solution.
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They're having their children abducted,
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taken against their will
to a behavior modification program.
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It sells tough love
for troubled kids,
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but the reality is torture of children.
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This is not
how I pictured my high school reunion.
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But then again,
this was never really a high school.
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For the past decade,
I've been investigating the program,
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trying to make sense of what happened
to me and expose those responsible.
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Considering how hard we tried to get
out of the building while we were there,
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it's funny to think we'd be coming back.
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But we needed to find proof
so that people would believe us.
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Because there's still kids trapped
in these places.
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- Fucked.
- That's creepy.
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I never imagined they would just
leave all the evidence just sitting there.
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It's so weird to find this stuff.
Why did they…
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Why did they keep this shit?
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My friends and I have made several trips
back to the building over the years.
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"They tried to murder
children's souls here."
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It was like a time capsule.
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A crime scene.
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We have these handwritten,
signed and dated confessions of abuse…
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We were never supposed to see these.
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Oh my God!
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And they never wanted us
to find each other.
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I keep thinking,
after all these years of looking into it,
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you'll get to the bottom of it.
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There's just more and more.
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You just keep finding out more characters,
more connections.
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And it just gets bigger and bigger
and bigger.
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This is a story
of just unbelievable greed.
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So many more files.
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This says, "Catherine."
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Where's Kat--
Oh, "Catherine Daniel."
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- You might not recognize. It's a C.
- Angela. Yeah.
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Okay. So this was my first share.
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Yeah. I found
my first share too, separate from these.
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M'kay. "Catherine Daniel."
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"Real mom died of breast cancer…"
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Yep. That's always
my introduction to people.
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"…before I was two."
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Oh, this is my words.
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"Had a lot of nannies."
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"Dad remarried at age seven."
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"I was really happy,
then it started turning horrible."
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"In fourth grade, she yelled at me."
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"Said, 'Thank God Mom is not alive
to see the person you've become.'"
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- Jesus.
- Yep.
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"I drank and smoked
because I was stressed by all this."
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Well, shit!
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That is, uh, poetic.
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I grew up
in a conservative Christian family.
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I was heavily involved
in my church youth group.
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I was on the student council.
A star soccer player.
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And I filmed everything.
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Oh yeah!
Oh, look at that cute person!
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Oh, wait. That's me.
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And I'm interviewing Katherine.
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In other news, the man who was swallowed
by a whale ran to the end
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till he got pooped out.
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Do not try this at home.
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Here I come!
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Oh my God!
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Okay, cut.
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But you can see the rest
when it hits theaters this fall.
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- There.
- Cheese!
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Is it on?
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It's interesting
to look back at my home videos
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and try to pinpoint
where things went wrong.
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This is Daddy
and his three girls saying cheese.
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My dad
was the original documentarian.
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And here is a shot of the cameraman.
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I grew up
with the camera always in my face.
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Daddy.
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- Cheese.
- We're going to--
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Cheese. She was saying, "Cheese."
Do you hear her?
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- Yeah. Aw.
- Cheese!
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My mom
was dying of breast cancer.
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My dad wanted to make sure my sisters
and I had videos to remember her by.
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You see those three little tapes up there?
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Someone suggested I get these cassettes
and just have one for each of the girls.
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Just to say things.
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You know, not that things
might not work out.
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But just so I can have the peace of mind
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that the girls have something personal
for each of them.
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She died
a week before I turned two.
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♪ Happy birthday, dear Katherine
Happy birthday… ♪
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So these videos
are the only glimpse
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into what life was like
with my mother in it.
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My dad got remarried
when I was seven to my evil stepmother.
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Katherine isn't much help.
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Would you go away with your little camera?
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What'll you do with your tape recorder?
You gonna take it into court?
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It's kind of
a Cinderella story.
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♪Someday my prince will come ♪
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My evil stepmother
has kicked me out of the house!
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And now I'm here in the woods
and have no place to go!
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Why would she do that?
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'Cause she's evil, and I hate that bitch.
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Things got bad at home,
and I started acting out.
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Drinking, smoking, sneaking out at night.
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Typical teenager stuff.
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I begged my dad
to let me go somewhere. Anywhere.
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As long as I didn't have to stay
at home with her.
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In the middle of sophomore year,
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I transferred to a private Christian
boarding school in Long Island, New York.
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I was only there for a few months
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before I was forced to withdraw
for having Mike's Hard Lemonade,
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in violation of the school's
zero-tolerance policy.
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I was sitting in the principal's office.
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My dad told me
he was on his way to come get me.
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He was gonna be driving up from DC.
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But then these two people walk in,
and they have handcuffs.
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They said, "We're here
to take you to your new school."
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My parents had hired two strangers
to forcibly escort me
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to Academy at Ivy Ridge in the small town
of Ogdensburg in Upstate New York.
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I got here at 3:00 in the morning.
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It was pitch-black out.
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The transport car just pulled up in here.
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And they sent some staff here
to come greet me.
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And I walk in, and I, uh…
I set my bags down.
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And then I turn around to go back outside
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to get the rest of my stuff,
and they pulled me back.
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And they're like, "No.
You can't go out anymore."
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And I was like, "Well, I just am gonna get
the rest of my stuff from the car."
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And they're like,
"No, you can't go outside anymore."
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"We'll get it for you."
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This was the first time
I started realizing,
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"This isn't a normal school."
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Like, "What's goin' on?"
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Then two staff members
flanked me on either side,
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linked arms with me, and…
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walked me off to the dorms.
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And they said
I was not allowed to talk anymore at all.
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And, um, yeah, that's most people's first,
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uh, experience at Ivy Ridge
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is just hearing these doors
click locked behind them.
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And you can never leave.
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So…
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So, they escort me back here,
and then they take me into the bathroom.
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The hallway was just lined
with mattresses,
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with kids sleeping out in the hallway,
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with their arms out,
their wrists out like that,
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and staff at different points.
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And then they brought me in here,
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into the bathroom,
and had me take off all my clothes
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and jump up and down and cough.
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Strip-searched. So…
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Then they had me sleep in the hallway.
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As I lay on the mattress
in the brightly-lit hallway,
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with my hands outstretched
while a stern-looking woman monitored me
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throughout the night,
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I couldn't help but think,
"Where the fuck am I?"
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The Academy at Ivy Ridge
is located in upper New York State,
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along the St. Lawrence River
and close to the Adirondack Mountains.
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Its remote location helps minimize
inappropriate distractions,
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but it's still only
a six-to-ten-hour drive
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from many of the major cities.
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In addition to academic curriculum,
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students are also taught values,
integrity, honor, accountability…
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…and respect for authority.
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The program was marketed
as help for kids with "bad behavior,"
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for lack of a better expression.
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They sold it as "tough love."
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Many of these kids are taken
in the middle of the night
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out of their bedrooms
by these so-called "transport services,"
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where these big guys come,
all dressed in black with their handcuffs.
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Your parents are standing there
at the doorway, watching.
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It's 3:00 in the morning.
You get woken up out of bed.
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These guys grab you.
You don't know what's going on.
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You're saying "help" to your parents.
They're just standing there.
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They take you off somewhere.
You have no idea where you're going.
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That alone is going to be
a lifelong trauma.
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When you first arrive,
you're put on run watch,
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where they take your shoelaces
and make you sleep in the hallway.
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Kids who were placed on suicide watch
had to sleep with their arms outstretched
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so staff could monitor that
they weren't trying to hurt themselves.
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They would force haircuts
on all the male students
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or for girls
whose hairstyle they didn't like.
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Every kid was strip-searched.
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Alexa had a male,
I believe, do her strip search.
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Unbelievable.
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It was this. That's all you got, you know?
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- Hmm.
- And then it was jumping.
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I had to squat and cough.
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And then I had to pee into a cup.
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And at this point, you know, you're naked.
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- I was naked and peeing into a cup.
- That's, that's…
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I'm covering my, you know, whatever,
but then that's all exposed.
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- Yeah.
- I was 15.
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Was that not illegal?
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- That shouldn't be the male staff.
- I mean, it has to be.
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Alexa and I were friends
before the program.
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- Alexa!
- Hi.
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- Hi!
- Hi.
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I don't think
you're gonna get that.
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Are you a little camera shy?
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Stop, I hate cameras.
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I met you in 7th grade,
and my memories of you, honestly,
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was just this super bubbly,
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like, outgoing, crazy, off-the-walls,
larger-than-life personality.
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I was really cool.
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Yeah! I remember you being cool.
You were the jock.
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I was like the Ferris Bueller,
if I may.
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Well, no, but you were great.
You were super, super personable.
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I feel like everybody liked you.
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And so it was shocking to me
when I saw you in the program.
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Like, shocking.
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"Wait, Katherine?"
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"Wait, wait, wait. Katherine Daniel?"
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-Like, this super Christian…
-I was a good kid!
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-…drinking the Kool-Aid kid.
-I was a really good kid!
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-I was super Christian.
-You were. You were.
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So, the first day,
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I remember hearing
over the walkie-talkies them go,
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"Upper level, Alexa Brand."
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And I was like, "Hey! I know Alexa Brand!
I went to school with her!"
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And they were like, "Oh, you know Alexa?
You can't talk to her, then."
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Yeah, they really do not want close
relationships forming in the program.
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So, if you have a past relationship,
you're not talking to them.
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Well, yeah. So, it's a lot to process
'cause there are all these rules.
245
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It's so insane.
246
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It takes so long to learn
about it that they literally…
247
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When you first get to the program,
they assign you a hope buddy
248
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for the first three days
249
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- to tell you all the rules.
- Right.
250
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Allison was my hope buddy
at Ivy Ridge.
251
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So she spent the next three days
explaining all the rules to me.
252
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I remember it was just so clear
that you really thought
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you were at a school of some variety.
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And so, I just remember thinking, like,
255
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"Oh, she's about to have her mind blown."
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These are all
the rule violations.
257
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But then what's nice is
it tells you what you would get them for.
258
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There are so many rules
that it's impossible to learn all of them
259
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in those three days.
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So, I'll just give you the highlights.
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You can't talk.
262
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You can't look out the window.
263
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You can't make eye contact
with other students.
264
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You can't touch anyone.
265
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You have to pivot around every corner
266
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and maintain a strict,
military-like structure.
267
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You have to wear your hair in a braid.
268
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No makeup. No shaving.
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You're not allowed to look in the mirror.
You're so controlled.
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When you went to the bathroom,
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you always had
to keep the stall door open.
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And so you'd have to go to the bathroom,
273
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and the staff
would just be staring at you.
274
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You had to be fast too.
You didn't have much time.
275
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101 Rude Act, intentionally passing gas.
276
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You're literally not allowed to fart
without permission.
277
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No joke. If you farted without asking
for permission, it was a 101 Rude Act.
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Minus five points.
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Any nonverbal showing,
like, winking or smiling, is a correction.
280
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Yeah, our facial expressions
were so controlled…
281
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- Yeah.
- We literally couldn't smile.
282
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Or that would add two days
on to your sentence.
283
00:14:50,390 --> 00:14:53,309
For us, it was like a game. You have to
get a certain amount of points.
284
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So you calculated how many days
it would take you to get home
285
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if you got 15 points a day.
286
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And you just tried to get
through the day just by being emotionless.
287
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Just dissociating and being like,
288
00:15:03,986 --> 00:15:07,156
"Let me just be a robot,
and pivot, and get through this day."
289
00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:11,035
"And play this, like,
insane video game that is not fun."
290
00:15:12,036 --> 00:15:14,497
The program runs on a points
and level system.
291
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Everyone starts on level one
with zero points.
292
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You move up in levels by getting points.
293
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You earn points
by following the rules all day.
294
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If you break a rule, you get a correction.
295
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That removes points from your total.
296
00:15:27,260 --> 00:15:29,178
On level one, you are nothing.
297
00:15:29,262 --> 00:15:32,598
If you got a correction, you likely
didn't have enough points to cover it.
298
00:15:32,682 --> 00:15:35,309
So you'd be sent to worksheets
to write meaningless essays
299
00:15:35,393 --> 00:15:37,019
or copy rules for hours.
300
00:15:38,146 --> 00:15:42,608
When you got to level two, you were
allowed to have a candy bar twice a week.
301
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Level three was a big deal
because it meant you were finally allowed
302
00:15:48,865 --> 00:15:52,577
to have a 15-minute phone call
once a month with your parents.
303
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But staff would listen in.
304
00:15:54,162 --> 00:15:56,080
If you said anything bad
about the program,
305
00:15:56,164 --> 00:15:59,250
they would disconnect the call,
and you would lose your phone privileges.
306
00:15:59,792 --> 00:16:02,879
Levels four through six were upper levels.
307
00:16:03,421 --> 00:16:05,882
And it was a completely different program.
308
00:16:05,965 --> 00:16:09,886
You could talk. You could shave.
You could wear your hair down.
309
00:16:09,969 --> 00:16:13,055
But you can't leave the program
until you get to level six.
310
00:16:13,139 --> 00:16:15,516
And that takes a very long time.
311
00:16:16,017 --> 00:16:18,853
They want to keep you here forever.
It's impossible to get points.
312
00:16:18,936 --> 00:16:22,565
The program is intentionally
impossible to follow.
313
00:16:22,648 --> 00:16:25,234
They make it
so you're just stuck here forever.
314
00:16:28,779 --> 00:16:31,699
My first few days
in the program were a blur.
315
00:16:31,783 --> 00:16:33,784
Like a horrible fever dream.
316
00:16:33,868 --> 00:16:35,995
This was supposed to be a place
for bad kids
317
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with serious drug issues, not me.
318
00:16:38,915 --> 00:16:40,666
This had to be a mistake.
319
00:16:41,167 --> 00:16:43,252
Then I got my first letter from my dad.
320
00:16:43,753 --> 00:16:47,632
"Dear Katherine, the reason that I had
to arrange special escorts to pick you up
321
00:16:47,715 --> 00:16:48,633
was that I was afraid
322
00:16:48,716 --> 00:16:50,635
that if I picked you up
and brought you home,
323
00:16:50,718 --> 00:16:52,845
that I would go soft
and just let things go."
324
00:16:52,929 --> 00:16:54,096
"I had to sort of trick you
325
00:16:54,180 --> 00:16:56,807
in order to help you escape
from your own dangerous behavior."
326
00:16:56,891 --> 00:17:00,645
"You need to plan your action around
completing the entire program there."
327
00:17:00,728 --> 00:17:01,938
"It really works."
328
00:17:02,021 --> 00:17:04,315
"And how fast
you get through it is up to you."
329
00:17:04,398 --> 00:17:05,650
"But don't fake it."
330
00:17:05,733 --> 00:17:06,943
"They won't let you."
331
00:17:07,026 --> 00:17:10,822
"I miss you so much, and so does Jane.
And don't try to blame this on Jane."
332
00:17:10,905 --> 00:17:13,658
"She feels guilty
for being so hard on you."
333
00:17:13,741 --> 00:17:16,077
In my intake file, they said,
334
00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:19,247
"Jane admits she has been
borderline abusive," and that,
335
00:17:19,330 --> 00:17:23,292
"Katherine will most likely relate
'evil stepmother' stories about Jane."
336
00:17:24,168 --> 00:17:28,381
What was this program,
and how did my dad even know about it?
337
00:17:28,881 --> 00:17:31,300
If I could just hop on the phone
and talk to him,
338
00:17:31,384 --> 00:17:33,052
we could get this all cleared up.
339
00:17:33,136 --> 00:17:36,013
But I wasn't allowed to use the phone.
340
00:17:37,306 --> 00:17:38,557
When you get to Ivy Ridge,
341
00:17:38,641 --> 00:17:41,686
you're cut off from all communication
with the outside world.
342
00:17:41,769 --> 00:17:45,564
Except for a letter we were required
to write to family once a week.
343
00:17:45,648 --> 00:17:48,609
My parents kept every single letter
I sent from the program.
344
00:17:49,735 --> 00:17:53,406
Reading through them sheds light
on what daily life was like at Ivy Ridge.
345
00:17:54,323 --> 00:17:55,491
"Dear family,
346
00:17:55,574 --> 00:17:58,828
in your last letter, you asked me
about my room and what stuff I have."
347
00:17:58,911 --> 00:18:01,789
"Haha. I laughed when you asked that."
348
00:18:01,872 --> 00:18:03,666
"I'm in a room with four other people."
349
00:18:03,749 --> 00:18:05,376
"If I talk to them in the dorm room,
350
00:18:05,459 --> 00:18:07,670
I will get a Cat 4
and lose all my points."
351
00:18:07,753 --> 00:18:10,006
"The door always stays open,
and the lights on."
352
00:18:10,089 --> 00:18:13,551
"As to what we are allowed to have?
Two pair of pajamas."
353
00:18:13,634 --> 00:18:16,012
"Our uniform and toiletries.
"
354
00:18:16,095 --> 00:18:18,389
"And a letter box and photo album."
355
00:18:18,472 --> 00:18:21,851
"Anything else is an illegal item,
which is 50 points."
356
00:18:21,934 --> 00:18:26,230
"But anyway, enough of rules.
I hear them all day long."
357
00:18:29,483 --> 00:18:31,777
The boys' and girls' side
were completely separate.
358
00:18:31,861 --> 00:18:34,447
We weren't allowed to make eye contact
with the boys.
359
00:18:34,530 --> 00:18:37,450
They did school separately,
ate separately,
360
00:18:37,533 --> 00:18:39,869
and stayed in a different part
of the facility.
361
00:18:40,494 --> 00:18:43,581
So we slept in this building.
We were only here to sleep at night.
362
00:18:43,664 --> 00:18:45,750
This is where all the dorms were.
363
00:18:45,833 --> 00:18:48,252
During the day,
every morning, they would get us up,
364
00:18:48,336 --> 00:18:55,051
and we would go into the other building,
dorm one, which is right over there.
365
00:18:55,134 --> 00:18:56,886
But they wouldn't trust us
366
00:18:56,969 --> 00:18:59,930
to walk from this building
to that building.
367
00:19:00,514 --> 00:19:03,351
So, we'd have to line up
and get in a school bus
368
00:19:03,434 --> 00:19:06,812
just to drive us
from this building to that building.
369
00:19:07,855 --> 00:19:11,442
Ivy Ridge was a lockdown facility,
and we weren't allowed outside.
370
00:19:13,110 --> 00:19:14,945
They even built these enclosed walkways
371
00:19:15,029 --> 00:19:18,074
to connect the buildings
so that we never walked outside.
372
00:19:18,157 --> 00:19:20,701
Our whole lives were spent
inside the facility.
373
00:19:20,785 --> 00:19:24,121
But the marketing materials
presented a different story.
374
00:19:26,666 --> 00:19:30,503
The Academy at Ivy Ridge
campus was formerly a junior college.
375
00:19:30,586 --> 00:19:33,506
It is located on 237 acres,
376
00:19:33,589 --> 00:19:36,634
with plenty of outdoor recreational space
and nature trails.
377
00:19:40,012 --> 00:19:42,139
If you look at pictures
of Ivy Ridge,
378
00:19:42,223 --> 00:19:44,141
you wouldn't think
anything bad was going on.
379
00:19:45,184 --> 00:19:48,020
Once a year,
they allowed us to have a "fun day,"
380
00:19:48,104 --> 00:19:51,315
where we could go outside,
and play, and have decent food.
381
00:19:51,399 --> 00:19:55,444
But the marketing materials made it seem
like this was a daily occurrence.
382
00:19:55,528 --> 00:19:58,030
It's very hard
to find photos of what life was like
383
00:19:58,114 --> 00:20:00,324
for the majority of children
in the program.
384
00:20:01,450 --> 00:20:04,620
I remember just staring
at these walls for hours.
385
00:20:04,703 --> 00:20:07,540
Probably to break me.
I think that's probably what it was.
386
00:20:07,623 --> 00:20:12,503
It became a game with these staff members.
"Who was gonna be the one to break Diana?"
387
00:20:12,586 --> 00:20:17,091
Because I had been here for so long,
and I just was refusing.
388
00:20:17,174 --> 00:20:19,051
I wouldn't follow the rules.
I wouldn't do it.
389
00:20:19,135 --> 00:20:23,889
And everybody was like,
"Just fake it till you make it."
390
00:20:23,973 --> 00:20:26,016
And I was like, "I can't. I won't do it."
391
00:20:26,100 --> 00:20:30,104
So, at that point, they were like,
"Then you're gonna go to intervention."
392
00:20:30,688 --> 00:20:33,399
Intervention is where they sent students
393
00:20:33,482 --> 00:20:36,110
when they were actively rebelling
against the program.
394
00:20:36,193 --> 00:20:40,948
You can see how small these rooms are.
They're not very big at all.
395
00:20:41,031 --> 00:20:42,700
A lot of times,
396
00:20:42,783 --> 00:20:45,536
either I'd be facing a wall
and staring at a wall for hours,
397
00:20:45,619 --> 00:20:47,746
or they would have me face down.
398
00:20:47,830 --> 00:20:52,001
I would have to be on my stomach,
with my arms out, and my feet out,
399
00:20:52,084 --> 00:20:54,253
and then with my chin on the floor.
400
00:20:54,336 --> 00:20:55,337
So, up like this.
401
00:20:55,421 --> 00:20:57,882
So I would just
have to sit there for hours.
402
00:20:57,965 --> 00:21:00,468
So a lot of staff members
did a lot of things to me
403
00:21:00,551 --> 00:21:04,889
because they wanted the award
of being the one who broke Diana's spirit
404
00:21:04,972 --> 00:21:06,891
and got her to work the program.
405
00:21:07,391 --> 00:21:09,518
Staff would create
special challenges
406
00:21:09,602 --> 00:21:11,729
for kids who were resistant
to the program.
407
00:21:11,812 --> 00:21:13,856
So Diana was given quite a few.
408
00:21:13,939 --> 00:21:17,610
- So, like, the box challenge.
- It's called "a box of crap."
409
00:21:17,693 --> 00:21:19,862
- Yeah.
- And it was about this big.
410
00:21:19,945 --> 00:21:22,615
- Yeah.
- And it did not have handles. It wasn't…
411
00:21:22,698 --> 00:21:24,950
- It was just a box.
- Difficult to hold anyway.
412
00:21:25,034 --> 00:21:27,912
Yup. And then
it was full of reams of paper.
413
00:21:27,995 --> 00:21:29,997
So, I had to hold it like this.
414
00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:31,957
- So, that's heavy.
- Very heavy.
415
00:21:32,041 --> 00:21:34,543
I would have to carry it everywhere,
all around the facility.
416
00:21:34,627 --> 00:21:37,505
And I'd be trying to balance
and keep in line structure.
417
00:21:37,588 --> 00:21:39,340
And how long
did that last for?
418
00:21:39,423 --> 00:21:40,966
About two weeks.
419
00:21:41,050 --> 00:21:43,219
But that's
impossible to hold all day.
420
00:21:43,302 --> 00:21:45,554
It was just I was sore all the time.
It just really hurt.
421
00:21:45,638 --> 00:21:48,724
There were bruises all over my arms
from the corners.
422
00:21:48,807 --> 00:21:53,270
And the staff sent out an email saying
if anybody sees bruising on Diana's arms,
423
00:21:53,354 --> 00:21:55,105
it's because of the box.
424
00:21:55,856 --> 00:21:57,817
So you could just
never set it down?
425
00:21:57,900 --> 00:22:00,110
Never.
They'd make me run with this in gym!
426
00:22:00,194 --> 00:22:01,820
- Are you serious? How?
- Yes!
427
00:22:01,904 --> 00:22:04,073
Everyone would be running,
and I'd be like…
428
00:22:04,657 --> 00:22:07,409
But I'll never forget,
I got this, like, strength,
429
00:22:07,493 --> 00:22:10,412
and I took the box,
and I was, like, dancing with it.
430
00:22:10,496 --> 00:22:13,207
And then making eye contact with Amy.
431
00:22:13,874 --> 00:22:17,044
Amy Ritchie was the director
of the girls' side at Ivy Ridge.
432
00:22:17,127 --> 00:22:19,296
And all of this happened under her watch.
433
00:22:24,677 --> 00:22:28,597
The entire program seemed to be
one of more or less constant oppression.
434
00:22:29,181 --> 00:22:34,645
And I said, "Well, if this
is really happening, this is troubling."
435
00:22:34,728 --> 00:22:36,438
"So I should look into this."
436
00:22:37,273 --> 00:22:42,820
I was writing a series of articles
for United Press on this,
437
00:22:42,903 --> 00:22:45,114
interviewing witnesses.
438
00:22:45,197 --> 00:22:48,367
But the program did their best to keep,
439
00:22:48,450 --> 00:22:52,162
you know, the truth of
what was going on there from getting out.
440
00:22:52,246 --> 00:22:57,042
The kids were severely restricted
in terms of who they could write to.
441
00:22:57,793 --> 00:23:01,547
And, you know,
their letters were strictly censored.
442
00:23:02,464 --> 00:23:05,259
If I said anything bad
about the program or asked to go home,
443
00:23:05,342 --> 00:23:07,177
I would receive a correction.
444
00:23:07,261 --> 00:23:10,514
The very first correction I received
in the program was a "manipulation"
445
00:23:10,598 --> 00:23:13,517
for asking my dad
to take me out of the program.
446
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:15,519
I'm surprised they let
this letter get sent
447
00:23:15,603 --> 00:23:18,022
because it shows
how controlling they were.
448
00:23:18,105 --> 00:23:21,108
"I'm so sick of doing
the same thing every day,
449
00:23:21,191 --> 00:23:22,568
of not being able to talk."
450
00:23:22,651 --> 00:23:25,946
"And I just wanna go home.
And I wanna watch
I Love Lucy,
451
00:23:26,030 --> 00:23:28,824
and
Andy Griffith,
and talk to my sister."
452
00:23:28,907 --> 00:23:31,452
"And not have to stand in line structure."
453
00:23:31,535 --> 00:23:34,246
"And be able to go to the bathroom
without a staff member."
454
00:23:34,330 --> 00:23:36,540
"And be able to curl up
in my bed when I'm sick."
455
00:23:36,624 --> 00:23:40,002
"And play my guitar.
And be able to look out the window."
456
00:23:40,669 --> 00:23:43,839
"What is it that's still wrong with me
that you want me to change?"
457
00:23:43,922 --> 00:23:46,258
"Obviously, something about me
isn't good enough for you yet
458
00:23:46,342 --> 00:23:48,093
because you're still keeping me here."
459
00:23:48,677 --> 00:23:51,430
"Please just tell me
what you want me to do and I'll do it."
460
00:23:51,513 --> 00:23:53,390
"Give me a chance."
461
00:23:56,935 --> 00:23:59,104
So many more files.
462
00:23:59,188 --> 00:24:02,149
I think these are all just academic files,
which are all bullshit.
463
00:24:02,232 --> 00:24:04,443
I don't even give a fuck
about my academic file.
464
00:24:04,526 --> 00:24:06,779
It's like, "Bible class, you passed!"
465
00:24:07,363 --> 00:24:10,074
Okay, wait.
I wanna see if I'm in here.
466
00:24:11,909 --> 00:24:13,244
Katherine Daniel!
467
00:24:13,327 --> 00:24:14,828
- No!
- Yeah!
468
00:24:14,912 --> 00:24:17,706
- Your academic record.
- There she is! My academic record!
469
00:24:17,790 --> 00:24:19,458
Which is probably awful.
470
00:24:19,541 --> 00:24:22,419
'Cause that was one
of the other reasons I was sent here.
471
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,506
What did I get on the SAT?
Don't look. It's probably bad.
472
00:24:25,589 --> 00:24:28,467
I'm actually smart.
I was just in these circumstances, so…
473
00:24:28,550 --> 00:24:30,386
Yo, mine was really bad.
It was 1100.
474
00:24:30,469 --> 00:24:33,097
- I think I have, like, 1100…
- Yeah.
475
00:24:33,681 --> 00:24:37,017
It's hard to do well in school
when you're being abused all the time.
476
00:24:40,896 --> 00:24:43,732
So, this is
where we would do all our schoolwork.
477
00:24:44,775 --> 00:24:48,904
We'd spend most of our time
just here in this lab, and, um…
478
00:24:50,364 --> 00:24:53,701
Couldn't look out the window.
This is setting you up for failure here.
479
00:24:53,784 --> 00:24:55,369
Computer facing the window.
480
00:24:55,452 --> 00:24:57,413
Not allowed to look out that.
481
00:24:57,496 --> 00:25:02,000
And they had this homeschool program
where we would do all of our work.
482
00:25:03,085 --> 00:25:06,088
We spent most of the day
just sitting in here
483
00:25:06,171 --> 00:25:07,589
and bullshitting schoolwork.
484
00:25:07,673 --> 00:25:09,466
'Cause we just had
this homeschool program,
485
00:25:09,550 --> 00:25:11,927
and no one would teach us,
so we'd keep taking the quizzes
486
00:25:12,010 --> 00:25:14,430
over and over again
until we got 80 or above to pass.
487
00:25:14,513 --> 00:25:16,432
And that was our high school.
488
00:25:16,515 --> 00:25:20,644
They would have "teachers" they would say,
that would sit at the end there.
489
00:25:20,728 --> 00:25:22,896
We could raise our hand
and ask 'em a question.
490
00:25:22,980 --> 00:25:26,400
We could get five minutes with them,
and that would be our education.
491
00:25:27,943 --> 00:25:31,655
I refused
to refer to them as students
492
00:25:31,739 --> 00:25:34,324
because they weren't being given anything
493
00:25:34,408 --> 00:25:37,161
that could be called
an adequate education.
494
00:25:37,244 --> 00:25:40,581
They were kept
under oppressive conditions.
495
00:25:40,664 --> 00:25:44,001
You know, if you're gonna
market yourself as a school,
496
00:25:44,084 --> 00:25:47,087
then you better show me something
that looks like education.
497
00:25:47,171 --> 00:25:50,257
And I'm sorry, I just wasn't seeing it.
498
00:25:51,508 --> 00:25:55,220
Ivy Ridge's slogan was,
"A boarding school for the future."
499
00:25:55,304 --> 00:25:58,265
Maybe they meant that at some point
in the future it would be a school,
500
00:25:58,349 --> 00:26:00,058
because it never actually was one.
501
00:26:00,142 --> 00:26:03,479
It was a behavior modification program.
502
00:26:04,104 --> 00:26:06,565
We use a ver… a level program
503
00:26:06,648 --> 00:26:10,110
that enables the kids
to see where they've been misled
504
00:26:10,611 --> 00:26:15,282
and get rewarded for good behavior
or consequented for bad behavior.
505
00:26:15,949 --> 00:26:18,660
Jason Finlinson
was the Director of Ivy Ridge.
506
00:26:18,744 --> 00:26:20,204
And he's also an idiot.
507
00:26:20,287 --> 00:26:22,915
Okay, so tonight,
we're gonna talk about black holes.
508
00:26:22,998 --> 00:26:25,292
Black holes are, um…
509
00:26:25,375 --> 00:26:28,504
They're black
because as they're condensed…
510
00:26:28,587 --> 00:26:30,047
They're really dense in the middle.
511
00:26:30,839 --> 00:26:34,259
He couldn't spell or write
a complete sentence to save his life.
512
00:26:34,343 --> 00:26:35,386
When a parent emailed him
513
00:26:35,469 --> 00:26:38,388
concerned about the quality of education
at Ivy Ridge, he replied,
514
00:26:39,098 --> 00:26:41,975
"All of our teachers
are New York State Certifityed."
515
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,480
"All of the therapist
are Certifityed as well."
516
00:26:47,272 --> 00:26:49,483
I'm sure that response was reassuring.
517
00:26:50,067 --> 00:26:53,070
Jason had hired his little brother,
Jake Finlinson,
518
00:26:53,153 --> 00:26:55,948
to be the Head of Academics at Ivy Ridge.
519
00:26:56,031 --> 00:26:57,199
But even Jake said,
520
00:26:57,282 --> 00:26:59,284
"Students are not here for academics,
521
00:26:59,368 --> 00:27:02,287
but to work on themselves
and their families."
522
00:27:02,371 --> 00:27:05,374
Jake also banned several books
from Ivy Ridge.
523
00:27:05,457 --> 00:27:09,753
One book they didn't ban, though,
was
The Count of Monte Cristo.
524
00:27:10,337 --> 00:27:13,799
I just found
Count of Monte Cristo
with my name in the checkout thing.
525
00:27:13,882 --> 00:27:17,469
And I've always said that
this is like
Count of Monte Cristo
526
00:27:17,552 --> 00:27:21,223
because I had this false imprisonment
where I planned my big revenge.
527
00:27:21,306 --> 00:27:22,766
I was like, "When I get out of here,
528
00:27:22,850 --> 00:27:24,768
I'm gonna make a documentary
about these places."
529
00:27:24,852 --> 00:27:27,312
"And I'll get back at every one of you!"
530
00:27:27,396 --> 00:27:30,065
This is so representative
of my program journey.
531
00:27:31,108 --> 00:27:33,443
If you're not familiar with the story,
it's about a man
532
00:27:33,527 --> 00:27:35,612
who was falsely imprisoned
and used his confinement
533
00:27:35,696 --> 00:27:38,115
to plot his revenge
against those responsible.
534
00:27:38,866 --> 00:27:41,535
I read the book while I was there
and found solace in the thought
535
00:27:41,618 --> 00:27:44,329
that one day I too would escape
this wrongful imprisonment
536
00:27:44,413 --> 00:27:46,790
and get revenge on those responsible.
537
00:27:47,499 --> 00:27:51,587
So, here I am,
18 years later, to do just that.
538
00:27:52,629 --> 00:27:54,172
Ogdensburg is a small town,
539
00:27:54,256 --> 00:27:57,384
so there's a good chance
I'd run into a familiar face.
540
00:27:59,094 --> 00:28:00,345
That's Miss Siss.
541
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:03,640
What is y'all doing here?
542
00:28:03,724 --> 00:28:05,434
We're just filming in Phillips
543
00:28:05,517 --> 00:28:08,645
'cause I'm actually working
on a documentary about Ivy Ridge.
544
00:28:08,729 --> 00:28:10,564
- Oh, really?
- Yeah! I'm curious.
545
00:28:10,647 --> 00:28:13,358
Would you be open to being interviewed
about your time there?
546
00:28:13,442 --> 00:28:15,068
Sure. How about tomorrow, huh?
547
00:28:15,152 --> 00:28:17,154
Yeah! I'll buy breakfast.
How about that?
548
00:28:17,237 --> 00:28:21,283
Florence Dedekker,
or "Miss Siss" as we all called her,
549
00:28:21,366 --> 00:28:24,953
was the shift supervisor
for the girls' side at Ivy Ridge.
550
00:28:26,496 --> 00:28:28,916
This was Siss's desk.
551
00:28:28,999 --> 00:28:31,627
This was, like, the control center.
552
00:28:31,710 --> 00:28:35,672
Like, the heartbeat of the girls' side.
553
00:28:35,756 --> 00:28:38,592
She would sit here
and she'd just keep an eye on everything.
554
00:28:38,675 --> 00:28:41,928
Like, "You pick up a correction!
You're lookin' the wrong way!"
555
00:28:42,012 --> 00:28:43,889
"Get back! Line structure!" You know?
556
00:28:43,972 --> 00:28:47,684
And she just, like,
ruled the place from here.
557
00:28:47,768 --> 00:28:52,439
Siss is a character.
I mean, she's loud. She's unapologetic.
558
00:28:52,522 --> 00:28:55,609
If she did your intake,
you're doing the full squat and cough.
559
00:28:55,692 --> 00:29:00,197
You know, she was just, like,
notoriously inappropriate that way.
560
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,157
Like,
"Ah, we're gonna do your strip search!"
561
00:29:02,241 --> 00:29:03,158
"Get naked, girl!"
562
00:29:03,241 --> 00:29:04,660
Right? The strip searches!
563
00:29:04,743 --> 00:29:06,995
She was really, like,
into the strip searches.
564
00:29:07,079 --> 00:29:09,706
She was a very,
very thorough strip searcher.
565
00:29:09,790 --> 00:29:13,794
- "Who wants a strip search?"
-"There's a missing pen!"
566
00:29:13,877 --> 00:29:16,505
- "Why not?"
-"A pen is missing!"
567
00:29:16,588 --> 00:29:19,299
"Who wants a strip search?"
568
00:29:20,968 --> 00:29:22,636
Never in my wildest dreams
569
00:29:22,719 --> 00:29:25,097
did I think
I'd be buying her breakfast one day,
570
00:29:25,639 --> 00:29:27,474
but I had a lot of questions for her.
571
00:29:27,557 --> 00:29:30,936
And then more coffee
when you get a chance. Thank you so much.
572
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:32,562
Now, it…
573
00:29:33,397 --> 00:29:36,775
Is this to help you girls
with what you went through?
574
00:29:36,858 --> 00:29:38,986
I'm trying to piece together
a lot of stuff.
575
00:29:39,069 --> 00:29:41,780
So I was hoping you could help me
fill in some of the gaps.
576
00:29:41,863 --> 00:29:45,117
Can you explain what your role was there?
What your job title was?
577
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:46,910
What they told you when you went into it?
578
00:29:46,993 --> 00:29:49,246
When I first went in it,
I was a dorm parent.
579
00:29:49,329 --> 00:29:50,163
Okay.
580
00:29:50,247 --> 00:29:53,166
My job was
to keep you on structure.
581
00:29:53,250 --> 00:29:54,668
- Yeah.
- Okay?
582
00:29:54,751 --> 00:29:57,504
Like, couldn't talk
when you wanted to talk.
583
00:29:57,588 --> 00:30:00,382
You had to have permission
for just about everything.
584
00:30:00,465 --> 00:30:02,175
- Everything.
- Everything.
585
00:30:02,259 --> 00:30:05,012
So, if I was sitting at my desk,
586
00:30:05,095 --> 00:30:08,307
and I seen you goin' like this, I'd say,
587
00:30:08,390 --> 00:30:11,393
"Katherine, you need
to get a consequence for off-task."
588
00:30:11,476 --> 00:30:14,187
Yeah, which is a 25-point correction.
589
00:30:14,271 --> 00:30:16,565
You couldn't talk to the girl next to you.
590
00:30:16,648 --> 00:30:19,026
You couldn't look out the window.
591
00:30:19,109 --> 00:30:23,155
Upon arrival, they had to strip down.
592
00:30:23,238 --> 00:30:24,448
-Okay?
-Yeah!
593
00:30:24,531 --> 00:30:29,369
They may have a cell phone
hid somewhere in them.
594
00:30:29,453 --> 00:30:32,456
-Like, and I mean,
in
them.
-Oh,
in
them.
595
00:30:32,539 --> 00:30:33,415
-Yeah.
-Oh wow.
596
00:30:34,124 --> 00:30:36,251
Like, he always had them squat.
597
00:30:36,334 --> 00:30:37,419
I guess you…
598
00:30:37,502 --> 00:30:41,631
I say you didn't have the privacy
that you should have had.
599
00:30:42,215 --> 00:30:43,216
You know?
600
00:30:44,051 --> 00:30:46,678
Do you remember George Tulip?
601
00:30:46,762 --> 00:30:48,472
Yes! Doesn't his wife work here?
602
00:30:48,555 --> 00:30:50,223
-His wife works here.
-Okay.
603
00:30:50,307 --> 00:30:51,808
Wait, is she here right now?
604
00:30:52,726 --> 00:30:54,770
I think she's the blonde one, right?
605
00:30:56,271 --> 00:30:59,065
-I can't see who's back there.
-I think she's behind. We'll see.
606
00:30:59,149 --> 00:31:01,109
She was walking by you.
Tell me if you see her.
607
00:31:01,193 --> 00:31:02,611
What about George Tulip?
608
00:31:02,694 --> 00:31:04,821
I had been hearing
a lot of stories about him.
609
00:31:04,905 --> 00:31:06,156
He was a tough one.
610
00:31:07,616 --> 00:31:11,328
George Tulip was the director
of the boys' side of the program.
611
00:31:11,411 --> 00:31:15,499
This is him tackling and restraining
a kid in order to forcibly shave his head.
612
00:31:21,963 --> 00:31:25,676
There was a lot of kids
that would try to hit you and everything.
613
00:31:25,759 --> 00:31:28,970
You did have to do a restraint
on some of them.
614
00:31:29,054 --> 00:31:29,888
Oh yeah?
615
00:31:29,971 --> 00:31:33,517
But I didn't use the restraint techniques
that I was taught up there.
616
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:34,810
Oh really? What did you do?
617
00:31:34,893 --> 00:31:37,729
I always just put a pressure point
on their neck
618
00:31:37,813 --> 00:31:40,107
and took their arm and put it behind 'em.
619
00:31:40,190 --> 00:31:43,235
And then if they kept fighting,
I just put 'em to the ground.
620
00:31:43,318 --> 00:31:44,152
Mm-hmm.
621
00:31:44,236 --> 00:31:47,322
If you put a pressure point
on the back of their neck,
622
00:31:47,405 --> 00:31:49,324
they're gonna go to the floor for you.
623
00:31:49,408 --> 00:31:52,536
-Yeah.
-Easier if you have their arm behind them.
624
00:31:52,619 --> 00:31:54,830
-Oh, really?
-Because they can't hit you.
625
00:31:55,413 --> 00:31:57,124
So, after the first year, I said,
626
00:31:57,207 --> 00:32:00,460
"This ain't no boarding school.
This is fucking prison."
627
00:32:00,544 --> 00:32:01,837
Yeah. I'll tell you what.
628
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:05,090
This food here is better
than Ivy Ridge's food.
629
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:09,428
I don't know how youse could eat that.
I never ate a lot up there.
630
00:32:09,511 --> 00:32:11,221
I had a problem.
631
00:32:11,304 --> 00:32:12,889
-Yeah?
-I'm not afraid to tell you.
632
00:32:13,890 --> 00:32:15,350
The girls that…
633
00:32:17,269 --> 00:32:20,105
-The girls that were gay.
-Mm-hmm.
634
00:32:20,188 --> 00:32:21,690
-I had a problem--
-Oh, sorry.
635
00:32:22,190 --> 00:32:25,527
I really want to know
what Siss was about to say just then,
636
00:32:25,610 --> 00:32:27,154
but this is when my producer came up
637
00:32:27,237 --> 00:32:29,739
to tell me that
we were being asked to leave the diner.
638
00:32:29,823 --> 00:32:30,991
Okay. Okay.
639
00:32:31,074 --> 00:32:34,703
Apparently, one of the waitresses
didn't want us talking about Ivy Ridge.
640
00:32:35,245 --> 00:32:36,413
I wonder why that could be?
641
00:32:39,374 --> 00:32:41,752
We just found a treasure trove.
642
00:32:41,835 --> 00:32:44,629
- So, we were in George Tulip's office.
- Whoa! Okay.
643
00:32:45,714 --> 00:32:46,840
What is it?
644
00:32:46,923 --> 00:32:51,678
So, these are all restraints.
645
00:32:51,761 --> 00:32:53,763
- Oh jeez.
- And I'm not done.
646
00:32:53,847 --> 00:32:56,516
-These are all restraints.
-Jeez.
647
00:32:56,600 --> 00:33:01,188
There's over 200 restraints here
over the course of one and a half months.
648
00:33:01,271 --> 00:33:03,982
And it… Look.
Writer's signature, "George Tulip."
649
00:33:04,065 --> 00:33:06,693
George Tulip. That means
he's the one that did that restraint.
650
00:33:06,776 --> 00:33:09,696
So, "I, George Tulip,
brought him to the floor."
651
00:33:09,779 --> 00:33:12,157
- Right.
- Yeah! And that was his MO!
652
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,118
This, to me, is the most
interesting things of the finds here,
653
00:33:15,202 --> 00:33:19,873
is these handwritten, signed, and dated
confessions of abuse by the abusers.
654
00:33:19,956 --> 00:33:22,250
So George Tulip
was a fucking child abuser.
655
00:33:22,334 --> 00:33:23,210
Right.
656
00:33:23,293 --> 00:33:25,795
And he signed
and dated his own confession.
657
00:33:25,879 --> 00:33:28,423
And we have so many of these.
658
00:33:30,467 --> 00:33:33,637
I don't know if these
are gonna be of any importance, um…
659
00:33:34,679 --> 00:33:36,473
- So, these are--
- Oh shit.
660
00:33:36,973 --> 00:33:39,809
My friend Sean found a bunch
of archive security camera footage
661
00:33:39,893 --> 00:33:41,269
in the building.
662
00:33:41,353 --> 00:33:45,899
There were stacks of DVDs that were
compilations of the most abusive moments.
663
00:33:45,982 --> 00:33:49,110
You can hit the lights.
Yeah, just flip that switch. There you go.
664
00:33:50,278 --> 00:33:52,906
Oh, I can't believe there's footage…
665
00:33:52,989 --> 00:33:54,240
Wow, Sean.
666
00:33:57,035 --> 00:33:58,036
So, this is a…
667
00:33:58,119 --> 00:34:00,080
This is gonna be
a restraint that takes place.
668
00:34:00,163 --> 00:34:02,249
"You're not doing it good enough,"
or something.
669
00:34:02,749 --> 00:34:04,751
- Oh jeez.
- While he went down!
670
00:34:04,834 --> 00:34:06,211
While he went down--
671
00:34:06,294 --> 00:34:08,338
What was the kid doing?
I don't even see the reason.
672
00:34:08,421 --> 00:34:10,507
- There was no reason.
- There was no reason?
673
00:34:10,590 --> 00:34:13,093
He was not doing fitness
well enough.
674
00:34:15,220 --> 00:34:16,096
Yeah.
675
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:17,681
Let's see.
676
00:34:18,556 --> 00:34:20,642
Okay. So, this is upstairs of dorm one.
677
00:34:20,725 --> 00:34:22,602
- Oh wow.
- Jesus Christ!
678
00:34:22,686 --> 00:34:26,231
That shouldn't be grounds
for an instigation on his end.
679
00:34:36,074 --> 00:34:37,283
Holy shit.
680
00:34:39,786 --> 00:34:42,789
- Whoa! Whoa!
- Oh my God. Oh my God.
681
00:34:45,417 --> 00:34:47,919
- What's in there?
- This is the no-camera room.
682
00:34:48,002 --> 00:34:49,671
What's that mean, "no-camera"?
683
00:34:49,754 --> 00:34:52,382
This is where
they took you to fuck you up.
684
00:34:52,924 --> 00:34:54,843
So this room
did not have a camera.
685
00:34:54,926 --> 00:34:56,803
This was… The big boys came in here.
686
00:34:56,886 --> 00:34:59,264
And if you came in this room, it was over.
687
00:34:59,347 --> 00:35:02,017
They're tossing you into the wall,
slamming you onto the floor,
688
00:35:02,100 --> 00:35:05,061
whatever they wanna do to you.
Banging your head into the thing.
689
00:35:05,145 --> 00:35:07,272
Slamming it directly into this radiator.
690
00:35:07,355 --> 00:35:09,566
It didn't matter
because there's no cameras here.
691
00:35:09,649 --> 00:35:14,404
Jeez. Considering what we've seen staff do
692
00:35:14,905 --> 00:35:16,781
in the rooms with cameras…
693
00:35:16,865 --> 00:35:17,699
Yeah.
694
00:35:17,782 --> 00:35:21,036
You can only imagine
what happened in the no-cameras room.
695
00:35:22,328 --> 00:35:25,791
They would take their hand
on the back of your neck, choke you.
696
00:35:25,874 --> 00:35:28,543
Whatever they could do
to make you either stop moving
697
00:35:28,626 --> 00:35:30,170
and just feel lifeless.
698
00:35:30,253 --> 00:35:32,756
You're like, "Yo, I could die right now.
I'm about to die."
699
00:35:32,839 --> 00:35:35,216
Like, "These dudes is gonna kill me."
700
00:35:39,012 --> 00:35:42,515
This is heavy. I don't have to play this
if it's too much for people.
701
00:35:52,067 --> 00:35:54,152
If you didn't go along
with the program,
702
00:35:54,236 --> 00:35:55,654
they had ways of breaking you.
703
00:35:55,737 --> 00:36:00,158
Physical restraints, solitary confinement,
food deprivation.
704
00:36:00,241 --> 00:36:03,620
The thing about you, Quintin,
is you never tried to work your program.
705
00:36:03,703 --> 00:36:04,537
No.
706
00:36:04,621 --> 00:36:06,581
You were level one
the entire time?
707
00:36:06,665 --> 00:36:09,000
Eight months, yes. I never made level two.
708
00:36:09,709 --> 00:36:13,088
It's hard to comply
with something that you know is wrong.
709
00:36:13,713 --> 00:36:15,965
Quintin was at Ivy Ridge
the same time as me,
710
00:36:16,049 --> 00:36:19,135
but he spent most of his time
in worksheets and intervention.
711
00:36:19,886 --> 00:36:22,472
Here's some footage
of Quintin being restrained.
712
00:36:22,555 --> 00:36:24,140
That happened to him a lot.
713
00:36:30,563 --> 00:36:32,982
They fed me two pieces of bread
714
00:36:33,066 --> 00:36:36,027
and eight ounces of milk
for two weeks straight in this room.
715
00:36:36,111 --> 00:36:37,487
For two weeks.
716
00:36:40,156 --> 00:36:42,575
- Hold on. Excuse me.
- Yeah, no. Take your time.
717
00:36:44,911 --> 00:36:46,371
You were on a chair.
718
00:36:46,454 --> 00:36:49,833
Your ass had to be an inch on the chair.
719
00:36:49,916 --> 00:36:52,001
Like, you had to be on there forward.
720
00:36:52,085 --> 00:36:53,503
Your feet together,
721
00:36:53,586 --> 00:36:57,257
knees fist-length apart,
and you had to stare at the fuckin' wall.
722
00:36:57,340 --> 00:36:59,676
And a lot of us, like, couldn't handle it.
723
00:36:59,759 --> 00:37:02,053
So, we'd start slouchin' and this.
724
00:37:02,136 --> 00:37:05,265
And they'd point at a brick.
"Which brick did I just point at?"
725
00:37:05,348 --> 00:37:06,349
"I don't know."
726
00:37:06,433 --> 00:37:07,767
And they would…
727
00:37:07,851 --> 00:37:09,227
There's another two hours.
728
00:37:09,311 --> 00:37:10,520
Like, two hours.
729
00:37:11,438 --> 00:37:14,149
- Wow.
- Like, I'm… I'm shaking.
730
00:37:14,232 --> 00:37:15,233
I'm, like…
731
00:37:16,860 --> 00:37:20,071
It was August, and I just…
I didn't give a fuck.
732
00:37:20,155 --> 00:37:21,823
I was, like, so tired.
733
00:37:21,906 --> 00:37:24,325
And I was… My head was down like this.
734
00:37:24,993 --> 00:37:27,912
And all of a sudden, somebody takes my…
the back of my head
735
00:37:27,996 --> 00:37:30,373
and pushes my chair
to where it slides back.
736
00:37:30,457 --> 00:37:34,627
Like, to the point where he fucking shoved
my head between my legs to where it hurt.
737
00:37:34,711 --> 00:37:35,962
Like, it hurt.
738
00:37:36,045 --> 00:37:38,840
So, I was like,
"Oh, someone's fighting me." I pushed him.
739
00:37:38,923 --> 00:37:40,675
And I was like, "Oh, that's a staff."
740
00:37:40,759 --> 00:37:43,219
He threw me on the ground. Boom.
741
00:37:43,720 --> 00:37:44,888
Yeah, I'm sorry.
742
00:37:44,971 --> 00:37:46,514
- Yeah.
- It's just…
743
00:37:51,686 --> 00:37:55,023
I was restrained.
My shit was bleeding and everything.
744
00:37:55,106 --> 00:37:58,067
The nurse would come and check on me,
like, "You need anything?"
745
00:37:58,151 --> 00:38:00,987
I said, "You got ibuprofen?"
"No. I'm not giving that to you."
746
00:38:01,070 --> 00:38:02,822
And my shit's still bleeding like…
747
00:38:02,906 --> 00:38:06,367
I'm swollen, like, "All right. Cool."
748
00:38:06,993 --> 00:38:10,205
"Just leave me alone then
and get the fuck out of this room."
749
00:38:11,915 --> 00:38:13,583
I'm still dealing with this.
750
00:38:13,667 --> 00:38:18,963
'Cause I spent every night of my life
blacking out for, like, five years.
751
00:38:19,547 --> 00:38:21,299
Blacking out was the most important thing,
752
00:38:21,383 --> 00:38:23,551
so I didn't have to think
about any of that.
753
00:38:23,635 --> 00:38:26,804
Like, the problems come back tenfold,
you know?
754
00:38:26,888 --> 00:38:30,308
But I did everything I could
to chase that shit away.
755
00:38:31,267 --> 00:38:34,187
Like, I don't wanna feel what I felt here.
756
00:38:34,270 --> 00:38:36,481
I don't even want to be here right now.
757
00:38:37,231 --> 00:38:38,274
But I'm here.
758
00:38:38,983 --> 00:38:41,694
I really don't want to be here right now,
but I'm here.
759
00:38:42,278 --> 00:38:45,240
I'm fucking weirded out.
I'm uncomfortable.
760
00:38:45,323 --> 00:38:47,492
- Yeah?
- I'm shaking. Like…
761
00:38:49,285 --> 00:38:50,620
Fuck this place.
762
00:38:50,703 --> 00:38:52,038
Yeah, fuck this place.
763
00:38:52,122 --> 00:38:55,083
You know what, though?
This time, you can leave.
764
00:38:55,166 --> 00:38:58,294
Yeah, I know.
And, yo, that's such a dope feeling.
765
00:38:58,378 --> 00:39:01,005
That's such a dope feeling.
766
00:39:01,089 --> 00:39:03,466
- Thank you for that.
- Uh-huh.
767
00:39:05,593 --> 00:39:06,803
Oh man.
768
00:39:06,886 --> 00:39:09,597
I, I, I… I didn't realize that.
769
00:39:09,681 --> 00:39:11,516
You can walk
right out of here.
770
00:39:11,599 --> 00:39:13,685
Want to do it?
Let's get the fuck out of here.
771
00:39:13,768 --> 00:39:15,728
- All right.
- You did it, man!
772
00:39:17,188 --> 00:39:19,524
Unfortunately,
there were no security cameras
773
00:39:19,607 --> 00:39:21,526
on the girls' side of the program.
774
00:39:21,609 --> 00:39:23,152
I really wish there were.
775
00:39:23,236 --> 00:39:25,738
The stuff that went on there
was just as crazy.
776
00:39:26,322 --> 00:39:27,990
Here's another skirt.
777
00:39:28,074 --> 00:39:31,327
- Here's a ton of skirts, guys.
- Oh, hell yeah.
778
00:39:32,954 --> 00:39:35,707
- Hold on one second.
- There's a bunch of spare vests.
779
00:39:36,708 --> 00:39:39,544
Why do I-- Why am I willingly
putting this back on again?
780
00:39:39,627 --> 00:39:41,421
- I don't know.
- A mouse chewed this.
781
00:39:41,504 --> 00:39:43,506
Embrace the trauma.
782
00:39:44,466 --> 00:39:46,301
What we went through
is horrible,
783
00:39:46,384 --> 00:39:49,971
but some of it is just so absurd,
you can't help but laugh at it.
784
00:39:50,054 --> 00:39:52,306
It's a coping mechanism, I guess.
785
00:39:52,849 --> 00:39:54,392
Come to Ivy Ridge.
786
00:39:54,893 --> 00:39:56,561
We'll fix your troubled kid.
787
00:39:59,898 --> 00:40:02,316
Where's your vest?
Did you get in trouble for that?
788
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,235
Oh my God, you're a slut! What is this?
789
00:40:05,028 --> 00:40:08,823
- I am, aren't I?
- I love it. I want to do that.
790
00:40:09,866 --> 00:40:10,742
Just like a…
791
00:40:10,825 --> 00:40:14,996
At Ivy Ridge, I rebelled
pretty much in any way I could, you know?
792
00:40:16,039 --> 00:40:19,167
The medication, I think, is the big one.
793
00:40:19,250 --> 00:40:21,711
They were making me, like, zombified.
794
00:40:22,211 --> 00:40:25,798
I don't feel good. And I was like,
"I'm not taking these meds."
795
00:40:25,882 --> 00:40:28,593
And I just remember sitting
behind Sissy's desk.
796
00:40:29,427 --> 00:40:31,554
They're like,
"You're gonna take your meds."
797
00:40:31,637 --> 00:40:36,225
And Siss, um, got out of her chair
and stood over me.
798
00:40:36,309 --> 00:40:40,229
She pushed me to the ground and then sat…
799
00:40:40,313 --> 00:40:42,231
like, sat down on my chest.
800
00:40:42,315 --> 00:40:44,359
Well over 100 pounds heavier than me.
801
00:40:44,442 --> 00:40:47,654
And she was, like, smiling like crazy.
She, like, love--
802
00:40:47,737 --> 00:40:50,073
She was like, "Ah!"
She was like, "I'm gonna break Diana."
803
00:40:50,156 --> 00:40:51,157
"I'm gonna do it."
804
00:40:51,240 --> 00:40:53,743
Like, "I'm gonna be the one
who gets these meds into her."
805
00:40:54,452 --> 00:40:57,914
So, they held my nose like this,
806
00:40:57,997 --> 00:41:00,375
and then had their hand over my mouth.
807
00:41:00,458 --> 00:41:03,085
So, either they're going like this
or like this.
808
00:41:03,169 --> 00:41:06,631
And so, it was literally…
I was grabbing for anything I could.
809
00:41:06,714 --> 00:41:09,384
I couldn't breathe. I was going like this.
810
00:41:09,467 --> 00:41:11,969
And then I started blacking out.
811
00:41:12,053 --> 00:41:15,515
So, I was going in
and out of consciousness.
812
00:41:15,598 --> 00:41:18,601
So, they got the pills in somehow,
and I took 'em.
813
00:41:18,685 --> 00:41:20,895
I fought for a pretty long time.
814
00:41:21,396 --> 00:41:25,066
But if I had continued to,
because I was blacking out,
815
00:41:25,983 --> 00:41:29,445
I… I'm assuming
I would have not been here today.
816
00:41:32,115 --> 00:41:34,993
We found multiple
eyewitness statements
,
signed and dated,
817
00:41:35,076 --> 00:41:38,079
detailing the incident
with Diana at Siss's desk,
818
00:41:38,162 --> 00:41:41,457
and hundreds of other abusive incidents
that took place at Ivy Ridge.
819
00:41:42,750 --> 00:41:46,504
But, unfortunately, there was
some abuse that was never documented.
820
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:49,507
Multiple girls have come forward
821
00:41:49,590 --> 00:41:52,218
to tell me about sexual abuse
by a staff member.
822
00:41:53,136 --> 00:41:55,805
Other staff members
corroborated this as well.
823
00:41:56,389 --> 00:41:59,267
It seems to have been
an open secret at Ivy Ridge.
824
00:41:59,350 --> 00:42:03,396
But since no reports were ever filed,
I'm not allowed to name them.
825
00:42:04,564 --> 00:42:07,358
This is not only an adult,
826
00:42:07,441 --> 00:42:10,862
but an adult in a position of power
over these kids
827
00:42:10,945 --> 00:42:12,613
who could affect everything.
828
00:42:12,697 --> 00:42:14,991
Well, the way
that she manipulated the girls
829
00:42:15,074 --> 00:42:18,703
into wanting the attention
in the first place was really fucked up.
830
00:42:18,786 --> 00:42:20,872
- Yeah.
- I mean, it was very strategic.
831
00:42:20,955 --> 00:42:22,582
It was really strategic.
832
00:42:23,333 --> 00:42:24,834
Um…
833
00:42:25,751 --> 00:42:28,880
- Like, how?
- Well, like, basically, um…
834
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:35,386
Once she had her sights on somebody,
it was a lot of love bombing first.
835
00:42:35,470 --> 00:42:37,889
- Yeah.
- You know? So with me, in particular,
836
00:42:37,972 --> 00:42:40,892
it was like there was
so much attention paid on me,
837
00:42:40,975 --> 00:42:44,145
and I was eating it up,
just being so starved for love.
838
00:42:44,228 --> 00:42:47,273
And then, like,
things started getting very weird.
839
00:42:47,356 --> 00:42:50,485
Um, so, at first,
it started with, like, touching.
840
00:42:50,568 --> 00:42:53,029
And, like, nonsexual touch.
Very platonic, but…
841
00:42:53,112 --> 00:42:54,572
And, again, in this, like…
842
00:42:54,656 --> 00:42:58,326
this very, like, caring way, you know?
843
00:42:58,409 --> 00:43:01,496
Where it'd be, if I'm crying,
it's something where it's touching.
844
00:43:01,579 --> 00:43:04,666
Then it would turn into things like this.
You know? Or it would…
845
00:43:04,749 --> 00:43:06,709
- But it feels like a mom.
- Yeah.
846
00:43:06,792 --> 00:43:10,421
And then, um, what happened,
or what kind of happened after that is,
847
00:43:10,505 --> 00:43:11,547
you get that love,
848
00:43:11,631 --> 00:43:13,675
and you get
that adoration from this person,
849
00:43:13,758 --> 00:43:16,928
and then all of a sudden,
you're shunned, completely shunned.
850
00:43:17,428 --> 00:43:20,890
And then you see her
do that to other people. Sorry.
851
00:43:20,973 --> 00:43:22,600
But you see her do that to other people.
852
00:43:22,683 --> 00:43:26,479
So you're like, "What did I do wrong?"
Like, "How did I fuck up?" You know?
853
00:43:26,562 --> 00:43:28,689
"I was just starting
to be loved by this person,
854
00:43:28,773 --> 00:43:30,691
and now they're looking at somebody else."
855
00:43:30,775 --> 00:43:33,736
Then the next time she calls you in
and wants to take it a step further,
856
00:43:33,820 --> 00:43:36,864
you're like, "Please. Please!"
Like, "Please touch me."
857
00:43:36,948 --> 00:43:40,159
You know? Like, "Please show me
this love and affection 'cause…"
858
00:43:40,242 --> 00:43:41,994
"…I don't have it."
859
00:43:42,912 --> 00:43:45,957
You know, you can't even smile
at another human being,
860
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,876
and now you have somebody who is, like,
861
00:43:49,710 --> 00:43:55,174
pouring so much, like,
predatory love and affection on you.
862
00:43:55,258 --> 00:43:57,093
But the only thing you're able to receive
863
00:43:57,176 --> 00:43:59,637
or the only thing you're able to feel is,
like, "I matter."
864
00:44:00,304 --> 00:44:02,098
Like, "I matter to somebody."
865
00:44:03,766 --> 00:44:05,476
And it was not innocent.
866
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:06,602
Um…
867
00:44:07,353 --> 00:44:10,982
Like, the first time
that I was in the bed with her, I, uh…
868
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,486
Like, to be honest,
I can, like, still feel…
869
00:44:20,366 --> 00:44:22,201
Sorry.
870
00:44:29,500 --> 00:44:32,295
I can still feel her,
like, breathing on my neck.
871
00:44:33,045 --> 00:44:36,132
I can, like, still smell
what she smells like.
872
00:44:36,674 --> 00:44:39,218
And then I remember
pretending to be asleep.
873
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:43,431
Literally just pretending to be asleep.
Like, "Please don't. Please don't."
874
00:44:43,514 --> 00:44:45,183
Um…
875
00:44:51,022 --> 00:44:52,064
Oh fuck.
876
00:44:53,566 --> 00:44:54,734
Yeah, so, um…
877
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,530
There was multiple times that it happened.
878
00:44:59,614 --> 00:45:01,198
Multiple times.
879
00:45:01,907 --> 00:45:03,409
She's a fucking pedophile.
880
00:45:03,909 --> 00:45:07,997
She ruined my life in so many ways.
881
00:45:15,671 --> 00:45:19,258
Any institution
where there is unchecked power
882
00:45:19,342 --> 00:45:23,638
will tend towards corruption
and abuse over time.
883
00:45:23,721 --> 00:45:29,477
And, unfortunately, if you're a pedophile,
these places are like heaven
884
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:33,731
because you can abuse kids
as much as you like
885
00:45:33,814 --> 00:45:35,441
in public,
886
00:45:35,524 --> 00:45:39,028
without any repercussions,
because, "Oh, those kids are liars."
887
00:45:39,111 --> 00:45:42,031
"They're manipulators."
You know, "You can't believe them."
888
00:45:43,073 --> 00:45:45,701
When I was researching this,
it was just, like, painful
889
00:45:45,785 --> 00:45:50,289
because so many people
had just never been believed before.
890
00:45:50,373 --> 00:45:54,668
And the kids are alienated
because they were abused,
891
00:45:54,752 --> 00:45:56,754
and their parents
don't believe they were abused.
892
00:45:56,837 --> 00:46:01,676
And if you're not believed,
it's really, really difficult to recover.
893
00:46:03,135 --> 00:46:05,596
I think for years and years
you tell yourself,
894
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:09,350
"Maybe it wasn't that bad,"
or, "Maybe it wasn't wrong."
895
00:46:09,433 --> 00:46:11,144
And when you reconnect with people,
896
00:46:11,227 --> 00:46:16,148
and you see just how fucked up
everybody got for the same reasons,
897
00:46:16,232 --> 00:46:18,401
that's when you're like,
"Wow, that… That was real."
898
00:46:18,484 --> 00:46:20,152
- Yeah.
- "That really was bad."
899
00:46:20,236 --> 00:46:23,572
Or, "That was illegal."
Or, "That was rape." Um…
900
00:46:25,491 --> 00:46:26,325
Yeah.
901
00:46:26,409 --> 00:46:29,203
And then I numbed it with alcohol
for years and years.
902
00:46:29,287 --> 00:46:31,247
But haven't we all, you know?
903
00:46:35,376 --> 00:46:37,503
- How do you open this? Is it twist-off?
- Twisty.
904
00:46:37,586 --> 00:46:40,881
- Here we go. This is…
- I was getting ready to get the…
905
00:46:42,133 --> 00:46:43,384
What if…
906
00:46:43,467 --> 00:46:46,929
You do the crime, you do the time.
This is what got me in here.
907
00:46:47,012 --> 00:46:48,097
Mike's Hard Lemonade.
908
00:46:48,180 --> 00:46:53,519
Got expelled from the Stony Brook School
with their zero-tolerance policy.
909
00:46:53,602 --> 00:46:56,730
-So I was incarcerated for 15 months.
-Huh!
910
00:46:56,814 --> 00:46:59,525
- Mmm! Forgot to cheers.
- To freedom.
911
00:46:59,608 --> 00:47:01,694
- To freedom! Cheers.
- Cheers.
912
00:47:04,363 --> 00:47:05,364
Ah!
913
00:47:05,865 --> 00:47:06,991
Ooh!
914
00:47:07,074 --> 00:47:09,285
It was worth it.
It tastes so good.
915
00:47:09,368 --> 00:47:12,079
This will be
the darkest Mike's Hard Lemonade ad.
916
00:47:16,083 --> 00:47:23,049
I think the most difficult part of this
for the kids is being entrapped.
917
00:47:23,132 --> 00:47:25,009
Basically, being imprisoned.
918
00:47:25,510 --> 00:47:28,095
We always thought
about running away.
919
00:47:28,178 --> 00:47:30,431
Ivy Ridge,
it's right on the St. Lawrence River,
920
00:47:30,514 --> 00:47:31,724
on the Canadian border.
921
00:47:31,807 --> 00:47:33,142
Our plan always was,
922
00:47:33,226 --> 00:47:36,646
"If we just swim across the river
and get into Canada, we'll be safe."
923
00:47:36,729 --> 00:47:38,314
But they would tell us that,
924
00:47:38,397 --> 00:47:41,734
"Oh, if you ran,
the neighbors were allowed to shoot you."
925
00:47:41,817 --> 00:47:44,153
I heard,
"The current's too strong."
926
00:47:44,236 --> 00:47:46,697
- "You'll make it halfway and then drown."
-Yeah.
927
00:47:47,907 --> 00:47:53,704
All the windows here were covered
with this mesh, metal grate.
928
00:47:53,788 --> 00:47:55,790
And there were motion sensors out there.
929
00:47:55,873 --> 00:47:58,876
So, you just…
There's just no way you could run away.
930
00:47:58,959 --> 00:48:02,213
Even if you did manage
to get out of the building
931
00:48:02,296 --> 00:48:08,344
and run off into those woods,
it's just miles and miles of nothing,
932
00:48:08,427 --> 00:48:10,846
of marshland, of trees.
933
00:48:12,681 --> 00:48:14,517
I mean, imagine for a minute
934
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:17,144
spending months
and sometimes years like that.
935
00:48:17,228 --> 00:48:19,813
You cannot get out.
You know you can't leave.
936
00:48:19,897 --> 00:48:23,484
And you're in
this incredibly hostile environment.
937
00:48:23,567 --> 00:48:26,737
What does that do to you?
What does that do to your psyche?
938
00:48:26,821 --> 00:48:30,032
You know, to your mental health,
to your emotional health?
939
00:48:31,492 --> 00:48:35,329
"Dear family, I hate being
in a program for the holidays."
940
00:48:35,413 --> 00:48:38,374
"The thing that upsets me the most
is sitting here in Ogdensburg
941
00:48:38,457 --> 00:48:40,793
and wondering if my parents
are even thinking about me."
942
00:48:40,876 --> 00:48:43,254
"If they even remember that I'm here
943
00:48:43,337 --> 00:48:45,840
or if they're having a better time
without me there."
944
00:48:45,923 --> 00:48:48,634
"I hope you'll remember me
this Christmas."
945
00:48:48,718 --> 00:48:50,719
"Tell me what I am still doing wrong."
946
00:48:50,803 --> 00:48:52,847
"Why am I not good enough
to come home yet?"
947
00:48:54,348 --> 00:48:56,308
Oh, I remember every night.
948
00:48:56,392 --> 00:49:01,272
This was when I'd be like,
"Well, I'm here another night,
949
00:49:02,106 --> 00:49:03,816
'cause my dad doesn't want me."
950
00:49:03,899 --> 00:49:06,235
"Well, he could come get me at any point,
951
00:49:06,318 --> 00:49:09,155
but I'm here
'cause he thinks I need to be here."
952
00:49:09,238 --> 00:49:13,033
And you had to have your eyes closed
'cause staff would come by and watch you.
953
00:49:13,117 --> 00:49:14,827
So, you'd just lay here like this.
954
00:49:15,411 --> 00:49:16,370
All the time.
955
00:49:16,453 --> 00:49:18,914
And then--
Until the super loud alarm comes on,
956
00:49:18,998 --> 00:49:21,667
and then up you go.
And then it's another day in hell.
957
00:49:22,251 --> 00:49:23,168
Yeah.
958
00:49:24,169 --> 00:49:27,298
This mattress is probably gross, isn't it?
959
00:49:32,178 --> 00:49:36,432
♪ Because a vision softly creeping… ♪
960
00:49:36,515 --> 00:49:39,685
That is one of the worst parts
of the psychological torture here,
961
00:49:39,769 --> 00:49:41,771
is you don't know when you're going home.
962
00:49:41,854 --> 00:49:45,107
So you kind of have this hope
that you could be pulled out any minute.
963
00:49:45,191 --> 00:49:46,859
You're like, "My parents will miss me."
964
00:49:46,942 --> 00:49:49,236
"My parents will want me home
for Christmas."
965
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:51,363
"My parents will want me
for summer vacation."
966
00:49:51,447 --> 00:49:52,656
"My parents will want me."
967
00:49:52,740 --> 00:49:55,826
And then you realize,
"Oh, my parents don't want me."
968
00:49:58,370 --> 00:50:03,917
For them
to be isolated like that, in captivity…
969
00:50:06,378 --> 00:50:09,465
and told that their parents
put them there…
970
00:50:13,177 --> 00:50:16,430
and told that their parents
don't care about them,
971
00:50:17,598 --> 00:50:21,310
it's really setting them up
for some real disaster.
972
00:50:22,269 --> 00:50:24,855
You know, I want to use an expletive here.
973
00:50:24,938 --> 00:50:27,816
- Go ahead, please.
- Probably. It's a mindfuck.
974
00:50:31,737 --> 00:50:33,030
Oh fuck.
975
00:50:33,113 --> 00:50:35,866
I thought Ivy Ridge
was the only one of its kind.
976
00:50:36,367 --> 00:50:39,662
But one day,
a bunch of new kids started showing up.
977
00:50:39,745 --> 00:50:41,747
We were told
they're from our sister school,
978
00:50:41,831 --> 00:50:43,707
Casa by the Sea in Mexico.
979
00:50:44,333 --> 00:50:47,044
This was the first I heard
that we had a sister school.
980
00:50:47,544 --> 00:50:49,713
"There are more of these places?
What the fuck?"
981
00:50:49,797 --> 00:50:50,798
Nikki!
982
00:50:51,882 --> 00:50:53,092
- It's yours.
- What?
983
00:50:53,175 --> 00:50:55,052
- What?
- Your poem.
984
00:50:56,095 --> 00:50:57,096
Oh my God.
985
00:50:57,972 --> 00:50:58,973
Oh…
986
00:50:59,473 --> 00:51:04,478
When I was 17,
I was in the psych hospital.
987
00:51:04,562 --> 00:51:08,482
And my stepmom
and my grandparents come to visit me,
988
00:51:08,565 --> 00:51:11,443
and they hand me this brochure
of Casa by the Sea.
989
00:51:12,903 --> 00:51:17,074
And it's all this fun stuff
of riding horseback on the beach
990
00:51:17,157 --> 00:51:19,868
and doing all these fun activities.
991
00:51:19,952 --> 00:51:22,580
So, I was like, "All right, I need help."
992
00:51:22,663 --> 00:51:27,084
My thought process was, um, you know…
I've been addicted to heroin.
993
00:51:27,167 --> 00:51:29,878
I've been addicted
to pretty much everything.
994
00:51:29,962 --> 00:51:32,798
I've tried to kill myself multiple times.
995
00:51:32,881 --> 00:51:34,884
Now, I needed help.
996
00:51:34,967 --> 00:51:37,219
Were they able to help you
with this issue?
997
00:51:41,098 --> 00:51:42,266
No.
998
00:51:44,310 --> 00:51:46,437
I got a phone call
from a parent
999
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:48,981
for a child I'd been working with
for about a year
1000
00:51:49,064 --> 00:51:51,692
in twice-a-week
psychoanalytic psychotherapy.
1001
00:51:52,401 --> 00:51:54,153
The parent told me that they decided
1002
00:51:54,236 --> 00:51:57,198
they were going to send this child
to a therapeutic boarding school.
1003
00:51:57,281 --> 00:52:00,659
And what I learned was
that they would not be involved at all,
1004
00:52:00,743 --> 00:52:05,914
that the child had to earn
the right to talk with them,
1005
00:52:06,415 --> 00:52:08,542
which raised a lot of red flags for me.
1006
00:52:09,126 --> 00:52:14,006
So, that caused me to begin to look
into this place called Casa by the Sea
1007
00:52:14,089 --> 00:52:16,133
in Ensenada, Mexico.
1008
00:52:16,217 --> 00:52:19,553
It's got a lovely name,
but it's a horrible place.
1009
00:52:22,681 --> 00:52:26,018
When I was coming off of heroin,
they just, um…
1010
00:52:26,518 --> 00:52:29,521
They stuck me into solitary, whatever.
1011
00:52:29,605 --> 00:52:33,108
And just, like, let me sit there
and, like, detox from this.
1012
00:52:33,192 --> 00:52:36,111
And, like, I had myself…
shit myself and, like…
1013
00:52:36,195 --> 00:52:38,656
Already, like,
within the first few days,
1014
00:52:38,739 --> 00:52:41,366
the loss of dignity that you have…
1015
00:52:43,118 --> 00:52:48,290
I've been abandoned by my family
and have been put into this place,
1016
00:52:48,374 --> 00:52:49,958
obviously, purposely.
1017
00:52:50,042 --> 00:52:53,462
Because they gave me
this brochure
1018
00:52:53,545 --> 00:52:55,798
that said I was gonna be okay.
1019
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:02,721
And I needed help.
1020
00:53:04,890 --> 00:53:06,266
And instead…
1021
00:53:09,812 --> 00:53:11,855
One of the things about it
is that I…
1022
00:53:11,939 --> 00:53:17,528
At the time I learned of this,
I tried to alert every legislator I could
1023
00:53:17,611 --> 00:53:18,904
what this was.
1024
00:53:18,988 --> 00:53:21,156
And this was, at the time…
1025
00:53:21,240 --> 00:53:24,034
Casa by the Sea was shut down
by the Mexican government.
1026
00:53:25,536 --> 00:53:28,914
Like, all these
federales
just come bustin' in
1027
00:53:29,915 --> 00:53:31,542
with their assault weapons.
1028
00:53:31,625 --> 00:53:35,379
And they ended up telling us
that it was being shut down.
1029
00:53:35,462 --> 00:53:40,467
So a shit ton of us came to Ivy Ridge.
1030
00:53:40,968 --> 00:53:43,178
Apparently,
Ivy Ridge was just one program
1031
00:53:43,262 --> 00:53:46,265
under an umbrella organization
called WWASP,
1032
00:53:46,348 --> 00:53:49,643
the Worldwide Association
of Specialty Programs.
1033
00:53:49,727 --> 00:53:51,395
So, when Casa was shut down,
1034
00:53:51,478 --> 00:53:54,606
WWASP offered to relocate the kids
to other WWASP programs,
1035
00:53:54,690 --> 00:53:56,692
including Ivy Ridge.
1036
00:53:56,775 --> 00:54:01,947
These people had facility
after facility after facility.
1037
00:54:02,031 --> 00:54:05,117
There was the one in Jamaica,
Tranquility Bay facility.
1038
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:07,244
There was one in Samoa.
1039
00:54:07,327 --> 00:54:10,205
There was one that was
in the Czech Republic at one time.
1040
00:54:10,289 --> 00:54:11,957
There was the one in Mexico.
1041
00:54:12,041 --> 00:54:14,876
There was one
in Costa Rica called Dundee Ranch
1042
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:16,920
that was closed at one point.
1043
00:54:17,754 --> 00:54:21,175
Three countries, Mexico,
Costa Rica, and the Czech Republic
1044
00:54:21,258 --> 00:54:25,888
have shut down WWASP operations,
citing their repeated abuse of teenagers.
1045
00:54:26,930 --> 00:54:29,975
When the Casa kids arrived,
we were overcrowded.
1046
00:54:30,058 --> 00:54:32,061
Six kids were crammed into each dorm room.
1047
00:54:32,144 --> 00:54:33,896
Since there were not enough bunk beds,
1048
00:54:33,979 --> 00:54:36,982
kids would sleep on mattresses
on the floor and in the hallway.
1049
00:54:37,065 --> 00:54:38,942
Conditions were deplorable.
1050
00:54:39,526 --> 00:54:43,155
Foot fungus, pink eye, and viruses
spread throughout the facility.
1051
00:54:43,238 --> 00:54:45,365
Medical neglect was rampant.
1052
00:54:45,449 --> 00:54:48,076
But there was nothing
we could do to escape.
1053
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:50,871
The things that would get you expelled
at a normal school
1054
00:54:50,954 --> 00:54:52,748
would just get you sent to intervention.
1055
00:54:53,374 --> 00:54:54,541
We were trapped.
1056
00:54:55,500 --> 00:54:57,044
Something had to give.
1057
00:54:57,127 --> 00:54:59,755
But if Casa was able to get shut down,
1058
00:54:59,838 --> 00:55:02,591
maybe we could get Ivy Ridge
shut down too.
1059
00:55:08,388 --> 00:55:10,599
It was the boys' side
that planned the riot.
1060
00:55:10,682 --> 00:55:14,812
We were just talkin' about a riot,
and it actually ended up happening.
1061
00:55:14,895 --> 00:55:19,232
♪ Little boy
The world just wants to trick you… ♪
1062
00:55:19,316 --> 00:55:22,486
The goal with the riot
was to get everybody home.
1063
00:55:24,446 --> 00:55:26,365
It was to shut this motherfucker down.
1064
00:55:26,448 --> 00:55:29,159
♪ Don't you know
That pain can make you stronger? ♪
1065
00:55:29,743 --> 00:55:32,162
- Now, this is where it starts. You ready?
- Yeah.
1066
00:55:32,246 --> 00:55:35,874
♪ You don't have to buy into their lies… ♪
1067
00:55:35,958 --> 00:55:37,751
Riot!
1068
00:55:39,086 --> 00:55:42,923
This is upstairs in the beginning,
when he's yelling, "Riot, riot, riot!"
1069
00:55:43,006 --> 00:55:45,843
- Yeah. Wow.
- He's on the phone, bam!
1070
00:55:45,926 --> 00:55:49,388
So that one staff ran down
'cause there is altercation.
1071
00:55:50,180 --> 00:55:53,267
But as soon as that happened,
I pulled this fire alarm.
1072
00:55:54,101 --> 00:55:58,480
And the second I pulled it,
I can hear the doors downstairs unlocking.
1073
00:55:59,648 --> 00:56:01,733
The alarm is going off.
1074
00:56:01,817 --> 00:56:03,235
You saw the bright flash.
1075
00:56:03,318 --> 00:56:06,989
So, the sound in there right now
is the alarm we all know. It's deafening.
1076
00:56:09,324 --> 00:56:11,869
So, I had a wooden bed,
1077
00:56:11,952 --> 00:56:15,789
where I kicked the fuckin', uh,
piece of wood underneath.
1078
00:56:15,872 --> 00:56:16,999
And I pulled it out.
1079
00:56:18,375 --> 00:56:20,836
And I came out here
and I just started poppin' light bulbs.
1080
00:56:20,919 --> 00:56:23,672
Like, these were all light bulbs.
And I just, "Pam!"
1081
00:56:23,755 --> 00:56:26,633
And I just popped it. Popped it.
1082
00:56:27,217 --> 00:56:29,845
I started hearing the windows breaking,
left and right.
1083
00:56:31,847 --> 00:56:33,891
And I just remember going, like,
1084
00:56:33,974 --> 00:56:37,144
"Come on, come on, come on!
Let's go! Let's go!"
1085
00:56:37,227 --> 00:56:38,979
Like, "Get up! Let's go! Let's go!"
1086
00:56:39,062 --> 00:56:41,565
I remember someone wrappin' a T-shirt
around their face,
1087
00:56:41,648 --> 00:56:43,191
like, "We're gonna do this!"
1088
00:56:46,778 --> 00:56:48,363
That is Quintin, I believe.
1089
00:56:48,447 --> 00:56:50,574
- Shut up.
- What? That's Quintin!
1090
00:56:50,657 --> 00:56:53,035
- That totally is Quintin.
- That very well could be.
1091
00:56:53,118 --> 00:56:56,538
It took one staff to kind of
hold us back for the longest time.
1092
00:56:57,706 --> 00:56:59,374
But then we realized…
1093
00:57:01,043 --> 00:57:02,210
there's numbers.
1094
00:57:03,837 --> 00:57:05,464
And somebody pushed through.
1095
00:57:05,547 --> 00:57:08,091
And I don't know who went through,
but once that happened,
1096
00:57:08,175 --> 00:57:10,802
the whole hallway went downstairs.
1097
00:57:13,931 --> 00:57:16,808
I saw the overpowering of the staff
and the doors open.
1098
00:57:16,892 --> 00:57:18,310
I'm watching the runners.
1099
00:57:18,393 --> 00:57:19,561
It just got a lot darker
1100
00:57:19,645 --> 00:57:21,730
and a lot more screaming,
a lot more chanting.
1101
00:57:21,813 --> 00:57:24,316
- What was the chanting?
- Um…
1102
00:57:24,399 --> 00:57:30,822
"Fuck Ivy Ridge!
Fuck Ivy Ridge! Fuck Ivy Ridge!"
1103
00:57:31,656 --> 00:57:34,034
My homies and myself
have planned this riot,
1104
00:57:34,117 --> 00:57:35,828
so we had ideas.
1105
00:57:36,620 --> 00:57:39,831
I figured if we destroyed
all the computers and everything,
1106
00:57:39,915 --> 00:57:41,166
it would be done.
1107
00:57:41,750 --> 00:57:45,963
So, the original plan was
to go down there and fuck shit up.
1108
00:57:46,630 --> 00:57:48,757
But everybody beelined through here.
1109
00:57:49,424 --> 00:57:50,717
Why'd they do that?
1110
00:57:51,260 --> 00:57:52,761
Because they were hungry.
1111
00:57:54,012 --> 00:57:56,974
Everybody's ripping pots
and pans off this shit,
1112
00:57:57,057 --> 00:57:59,142
just trashing the kitchen.
1113
00:57:59,226 --> 00:58:03,480
I'm like, "Let's go, let's go, let's go!"
And there's nobody behind me.
1114
00:58:03,563 --> 00:58:05,065
'Cause they're all in the kitchen.
1115
00:58:05,691 --> 00:58:08,986
And then we all get
put into the gymnasium.
1116
00:58:09,069 --> 00:58:10,570
- The gym?
- Yeah.
1117
00:58:10,654 --> 00:58:12,948
Man, it's so cool to know
what was going on.
1118
00:58:13,031 --> 00:58:14,991
I mean, I was in the dorms the whole time.
1119
00:58:15,075 --> 00:58:17,118
We heard the alarms go off.
1120
00:58:17,202 --> 00:58:19,162
We weren't sure
what was going on, you know?
1121
00:58:19,246 --> 00:58:22,583
They weren't like, "There's a riot."
Otherwise, we'd join in.
1122
00:58:24,125 --> 00:58:26,878
But, yeah, they tried to villainize
to make us scared of you guys,
1123
00:58:26,962 --> 00:58:27,963
so we wouldn't join in.
1124
00:58:28,046 --> 00:58:31,258
♪ Can't you hear
The whispers in the hall? ♪
1125
00:58:31,341 --> 00:58:32,843
So, they take us into here, right?
1126
00:58:32,926 --> 00:58:34,928
My boy was like,
"Should I turn the lights out?"
1127
00:58:35,011 --> 00:58:39,266
I said, "Do it." He turns the lights out,
and it's a full-on riot after that.
1128
00:58:40,809 --> 00:58:43,228
It's like a pitch-black mosh pit.
1129
00:58:43,729 --> 00:58:46,773
I just remember hittin' people.
Like, hittin' people.
1130
00:58:46,857 --> 00:58:49,109
It's like,
you remember tears and the chanting.
1131
00:58:49,192 --> 00:58:51,737
Just, "Fuck Ivy Ridge. Fuck Ivy Ridge!"
1132
00:58:51,820 --> 00:58:54,489
Fuck Ivy Ridge! Fuck Ivy Ridge!
1133
00:58:54,573 --> 00:58:57,117
You got the police
and the fucking border patrol outside
1134
00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:59,119
and everybody ready to shut us down.
1135
00:58:59,202 --> 00:59:01,330
They threw a smoke bomb in here.
1136
00:59:01,413 --> 00:59:04,416
I remember that because that's
when they started escorting us outside.
1137
00:59:05,167 --> 00:59:08,587
Students at
the Academy at Ivy Ridge smashed windows
1138
00:59:08,670 --> 00:59:11,173
and attacked staff members
on Monday evening.
1139
00:59:11,256 --> 00:59:14,843
About 30 of the school's 450 students
fled the campus,
1140
00:59:14,926 --> 00:59:19,598
located in heavily-wooded land
five miles west of Ogdensburg.
1141
00:59:19,681 --> 00:59:22,726
All the students were located
and returned to the facility.
1142
00:59:22,809 --> 00:59:26,771
Twelve students were charged with rioting,
assault, and disorderly conduct.
1143
00:59:26,855 --> 00:59:29,775
The teenage students
are being held here in the county jail
1144
00:59:29,858 --> 00:59:33,695
on $5,000 cash bail
and will face criminal charges.
1145
00:59:34,237 --> 00:59:36,573
Let's talk
about when you got sent to jail.
1146
00:59:36,656 --> 00:59:39,493
How was jail in comparison to the program?
1147
00:59:41,620 --> 00:59:44,164
Like a five-star Hilton Hotel.
1148
00:59:45,457 --> 00:59:48,877
I loved jail. Jail was freedom to me.
1149
00:59:49,586 --> 00:59:53,840
Like, it was freedom compared
to what we were going through here.
1150
00:59:55,217 --> 01:00:00,180
So the riot, you were hoping,
would shut down Ivy Ridge.
1151
01:00:00,263 --> 01:00:01,264
Yes.
1152
01:00:02,766 --> 01:00:04,643
But I was wrong.
1153
01:00:04,726 --> 01:00:06,353
Spokesman Tom Nichols says
1154
01:00:06,436 --> 01:00:08,355
the school will be reviewing
the latest incident
1155
01:00:08,438 --> 01:00:11,691
and looking at procedures to prevent
a similar occurrence in the future.
1156
01:00:12,985 --> 01:00:14,903
Since the riot didn't work,
1157
01:00:14,986 --> 01:00:17,906
our only other option
was to complete the program.
1158
01:00:18,532 --> 01:00:19,741
Does this sound crazy to you?
1159
01:00:20,492 --> 01:00:22,411
I haven't even told you
about the seminars yet.
1160
01:00:22,494 --> 01:00:26,164
Palms up, palms down,
palms together, palms apart, palms up…
1161
01:00:26,248 --> 01:00:29,167
Seminars are the backbone
of the whole program.
1162
01:00:30,460 --> 01:00:34,214
If you want to get the hell out of there,
you have to "do the program."
1163
01:00:35,257 --> 01:00:39,344
It is behavior modification.
It is literal brainwashing.
1164
01:00:39,844 --> 01:00:43,014
The people that the program
most wants to influence is the parents,
1165
01:00:43,098 --> 01:00:44,182
not the kids.
1166
01:00:44,266 --> 01:00:46,685
And it was basically a cult.
1167
01:00:46,768 --> 01:00:49,729
Parents buy into it.
They get duped into it.
1168
01:00:49,813 --> 01:00:51,398
"It's gonna change your life!"
1169
01:00:51,481 --> 01:00:53,566
It was the worst thing
that happened to me.
1170
01:00:53,650 --> 01:00:57,404
What concerned me most
about the program
1171
01:00:57,487 --> 01:01:00,365
wasn't the kids that got broken,
it was the kids who were successful.
1172
01:01:00,448 --> 01:01:03,076
Palms up, palms down,
palms together, palms apart.
99732
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