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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:27,361 --> 00:00:28,362 Okay. 2 00:00:31,657 --> 00:00:32,491 Okay. 3 00:00:32,574 --> 00:00:33,951 Fuck. 4 00:00:37,454 --> 00:00:38,288 Okay. 5 00:00:48,173 --> 00:00:49,424 All right. Let's go. 6 00:00:54,221 --> 00:00:55,430 Found it. 7 00:00:55,514 --> 00:00:56,682 What is it? 8 00:00:57,266 --> 00:00:58,475 Oh my God. 9 00:00:59,810 --> 00:01:00,811 Ugh. 10 00:01:01,937 --> 00:01:02,854 Jeez. 11 00:01:03,355 --> 00:01:04,731 So many files. 12 00:01:06,900 --> 00:01:08,735 How far back does this go? 13 00:01:09,778 --> 00:01:10,946 What is this? 14 00:01:11,446 --> 00:01:14,658 "Study hall log, May 2nd, 2005." 15 00:01:19,788 --> 00:01:20,998 Oh, I remember her. 16 00:01:21,081 --> 00:01:22,374 Didn't she die? 17 00:01:23,458 --> 00:01:24,876 I can't keep up. 18 00:01:26,378 --> 00:01:30,591 We don't know why all these files ended up in here. 19 00:01:30,674 --> 00:01:35,262 And there's birth certificates, Social Security cards, medical records, 20 00:01:35,345 --> 00:01:39,474 detailed, handwritten notes about the most insane shit. 21 00:01:40,559 --> 00:01:44,229 Oh fuck. I feel like I'm in the pit of despair. 22 00:01:44,730 --> 00:01:47,149 What do you do if your child gets caught 23 00:01:47,232 --> 00:01:50,152 in a cycle of self-destructive or even dangerous behavior? 24 00:01:50,235 --> 00:01:52,738 Some desperate parents are turning to a drastic solution. 25 00:01:52,821 --> 00:01:54,406 They're having their children abducted, 26 00:01:54,489 --> 00:01:58,160 taken against their will to a behavior modification program. 27 00:01:58,243 --> 00:02:01,455 It sells tough love for troubled kids, 28 00:02:01,538 --> 00:02:03,790 but the reality is torture of children. 29 00:02:04,541 --> 00:02:07,669 This is not how I pictured my high school reunion. 30 00:02:07,753 --> 00:02:10,964 But then again, this was never really a high school. 31 00:02:11,590 --> 00:02:14,259 For the past decade, I've been investigating the program, 32 00:02:14,343 --> 00:02:18,138 trying to make sense of what happened to me and expose those responsible. 33 00:02:18,221 --> 00:02:21,808 Considering how hard we tried to get out of the building while we were there, 34 00:02:21,892 --> 00:02:24,269 it's funny to think we'd be coming back. 35 00:02:24,353 --> 00:02:27,689 But we needed to find proof so that people would believe us. 36 00:02:27,773 --> 00:02:30,067 Because there's still kids trapped in these places. 37 00:02:30,150 --> 00:02:32,027 - Fucked. - That's creepy. 38 00:02:32,110 --> 00:02:36,073 I never imagined they would just leave all the evidence just sitting there. 39 00:02:36,156 --> 00:02:39,117 It's so weird to find this stuff. Why did they… 40 00:02:39,201 --> 00:02:40,744 Why did they keep this shit? 41 00:02:41,453 --> 00:02:44,831 My friends and I have made several trips back to the building over the years. 42 00:02:44,915 --> 00:02:48,377 "They tried to murder children's souls here." 43 00:02:48,460 --> 00:02:50,420 It was like a time capsule. 44 00:02:50,504 --> 00:02:52,089 A crime scene. 45 00:02:52,172 --> 00:02:56,593 We have these handwritten, signed and dated confessions of abuse… 46 00:02:56,677 --> 00:02:58,637 We were never supposed to see these. 47 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:00,347 Oh my God! 48 00:03:00,931 --> 00:03:03,266 And they never wanted us to find each other. 49 00:03:03,350 --> 00:03:06,561 I keep thinking, after all these years of looking into it, 50 00:03:06,645 --> 00:03:08,313 you'll get to the bottom of it. 51 00:03:08,397 --> 00:03:09,773 There's just more and more. 52 00:03:09,856 --> 00:03:12,651 You just keep finding out more characters, more connections. 53 00:03:12,734 --> 00:03:15,028 And it just gets bigger and bigger and bigger. 54 00:03:15,112 --> 00:03:20,367 This is a story of just unbelievable greed. 55 00:03:35,090 --> 00:03:36,550 So many more files. 56 00:03:38,135 --> 00:03:39,719 This says, "Catherine." 57 00:03:41,888 --> 00:03:43,682 Where's Kat-- Oh, "Catherine Daniel." 58 00:03:43,765 --> 00:03:46,101 - You might not recognize. It's a C. - Angela. Yeah. 59 00:03:46,184 --> 00:03:48,687 Okay. So this was my first share. 60 00:03:48,770 --> 00:03:51,231 Yeah. I found my first share too, separate from these. 61 00:03:51,314 --> 00:03:53,442 M'kay. "Catherine Daniel." 62 00:03:53,525 --> 00:03:55,402 "Real mom died of breast cancer…" 63 00:03:55,485 --> 00:03:57,529 Yep. That's always my introduction to people. 64 00:03:57,612 --> 00:03:59,281 "…before I was two." 65 00:03:59,364 --> 00:04:00,741 Oh, this is my words. 66 00:04:00,824 --> 00:04:03,076 "Had a lot of nannies." 67 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:05,412 "Dad remarried at age seven." 68 00:04:05,495 --> 00:04:09,291 "I was really happy, then it started turning horrible." 69 00:04:09,374 --> 00:04:11,126 "In fourth grade, she yelled at me." 70 00:04:11,209 --> 00:04:16,715 "Said, 'Thank God Mom is not alive to see the person you've become.'" 71 00:04:16,798 --> 00:04:18,383 - Jesus. - Yep. 72 00:04:18,467 --> 00:04:22,220 "I drank and smoked because I was stressed by all this." 73 00:04:24,055 --> 00:04:26,975 Well, shit! 74 00:04:27,058 --> 00:04:29,478 That is, uh, poetic. 75 00:04:32,731 --> 00:04:35,817 I grew up in a conservative Christian family. 76 00:04:35,901 --> 00:04:37,986 I was heavily involved in my church youth group. 77 00:04:38,069 --> 00:04:41,031 I was on the student council. A star soccer player. 78 00:04:41,114 --> 00:04:43,074 And I filmed everything. 79 00:04:43,158 --> 00:04:45,869 Oh yeah! Oh, look at that cute person! 80 00:04:45,952 --> 00:04:46,995 Oh, wait. That's me. 81 00:04:48,079 --> 00:04:50,165 And I'm interviewing Katherine. 82 00:04:50,248 --> 00:04:53,001 In other news, the man who was swallowed by a whale ran to the end 83 00:04:53,084 --> 00:04:54,044 till he got pooped out. 84 00:04:54,127 --> 00:04:55,921 Do not try this at home. 85 00:04:56,004 --> 00:04:56,963 Here I come! 86 00:04:57,047 --> 00:04:58,924 Oh my God! 87 00:05:02,385 --> 00:05:03,220 Okay, cut. 88 00:05:03,303 --> 00:05:06,139 But you can see the rest when it hits theaters this fall. 89 00:05:06,223 --> 00:05:07,307 - There. - Cheese! 90 00:05:07,390 --> 00:05:08,266 Is it on? 91 00:05:08,350 --> 00:05:10,769 It's interesting to look back at my home videos 92 00:05:10,852 --> 00:05:12,646 and try to pinpoint where things went wrong. 93 00:05:12,729 --> 00:05:15,106 This is Daddy and his three girls saying cheese. 94 00:05:15,190 --> 00:05:17,651 My dad was the original documentarian. 95 00:05:17,734 --> 00:05:20,695 And here is a shot of the cameraman. 96 00:05:20,779 --> 00:05:23,198 I grew up with the camera always in my face. 97 00:05:23,281 --> 00:05:24,157 Daddy. 98 00:05:24,241 --> 00:05:25,450 - Cheese. - We're going to-- 99 00:05:25,534 --> 00:05:27,786 Cheese. She was saying, "Cheese." Do you hear her? 100 00:05:27,869 --> 00:05:29,913 - Yeah. Aw. - Cheese! 101 00:05:30,705 --> 00:05:32,582 My mom was dying of breast cancer. 102 00:05:32,666 --> 00:05:36,419 My dad wanted to make sure my sisters and I had videos to remember her by. 103 00:05:36,503 --> 00:05:38,755 You see those three little tapes up there? 104 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:43,426 Someone suggested I get these cassettes and just have one for each of the girls. 105 00:05:43,510 --> 00:05:45,053 Just to say things. 106 00:05:45,136 --> 00:05:48,515 You know, not that things might not work out. 107 00:05:48,598 --> 00:05:50,892 But just so I can have the peace of mind 108 00:05:50,976 --> 00:05:53,728 that the girls have something personal for each of them. 109 00:05:54,312 --> 00:05:56,523 She died a week before I turned two. 110 00:05:56,606 --> 00:06:02,028 ♪ Happy birthday, dear Katherine Happy birthday… ♪ 111 00:06:02,112 --> 00:06:04,489 So these videos are the only glimpse 112 00:06:04,573 --> 00:06:06,783 into what life was like with my mother in it. 113 00:06:08,034 --> 00:06:11,246 My dad got remarried when I was seven to my evil stepmother. 114 00:06:11,329 --> 00:06:13,081 Katherine isn't much help. 115 00:06:13,164 --> 00:06:15,792 Would you go away with your little camera? 116 00:06:15,876 --> 00:06:18,837 What'll you do with your tape recorder? You gonna take it into court? 117 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:20,964 It's kind of a Cinderella story. 118 00:06:21,047 --> 00:06:25,427 ♪Someday my prince will come ♪ 119 00:06:25,510 --> 00:06:28,179 My evil stepmother has kicked me out of the house! 120 00:06:28,263 --> 00:06:32,225 And now I'm here in the woods and have no place to go! 121 00:06:32,309 --> 00:06:33,727 Why would she do that? 122 00:06:34,311 --> 00:06:37,772 'Cause she's evil, and I hate that bitch. 123 00:06:37,856 --> 00:06:40,317 Things got bad at home, and I started acting out. 124 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:43,528 Drinking, smoking, sneaking out at night. 125 00:06:44,029 --> 00:06:45,739 Typical teenager stuff. 126 00:06:46,239 --> 00:06:49,117 I begged my dad to let me go somewhere. Anywhere. 127 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:51,453 As long as I didn't have to stay at home with her. 128 00:06:52,704 --> 00:06:54,039 In the middle of sophomore year, 129 00:06:54,122 --> 00:06:57,334 I transferred to a private Christian boarding school in Long Island, New York. 130 00:06:58,335 --> 00:06:59,628 I was only there for a few months 131 00:06:59,711 --> 00:07:02,756 before I was forced to withdraw for having Mike's Hard Lemonade, 132 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:05,216 in violation of the school's zero-tolerance policy. 133 00:07:06,217 --> 00:07:08,803 I was sitting in the principal's office. 134 00:07:10,597 --> 00:07:13,475 My dad told me he was on his way to come get me. 135 00:07:13,558 --> 00:07:15,894 He was gonna be driving up from DC. 136 00:07:16,645 --> 00:07:20,565 But then these two people walk in, and they have handcuffs. 137 00:07:21,524 --> 00:07:25,070 They said, "We're here to take you to your new school." 138 00:07:26,571 --> 00:07:29,407 My parents had hired two strangers to forcibly escort me 139 00:07:29,491 --> 00:07:34,204 to Academy at Ivy Ridge in the small town of Ogdensburg in Upstate New York. 140 00:07:35,997 --> 00:07:39,459 I got here at 3:00 in the morning. 141 00:07:40,210 --> 00:07:43,254 It was pitch-black out. 142 00:07:43,964 --> 00:07:46,549 The transport car just pulled up in here. 143 00:07:47,425 --> 00:07:50,971 And they sent some staff here to come greet me. 144 00:07:51,471 --> 00:07:56,851 And I walk in, and I, uh… I set my bags down. 145 00:07:57,394 --> 00:08:00,563 And then I turn around to go back outside 146 00:08:00,647 --> 00:08:03,650 to get the rest of my stuff, and they pulled me back. 147 00:08:03,733 --> 00:08:07,362 And they're like, "No. You can't go out anymore." 148 00:08:07,445 --> 00:08:11,449 And I was like, "Well, I just am gonna get the rest of my stuff from the car." 149 00:08:11,533 --> 00:08:14,285 And they're like, "No, you can't go outside anymore." 150 00:08:14,369 --> 00:08:15,578 "We'll get it for you." 151 00:08:15,662 --> 00:08:18,373 This was the first time I started realizing, 152 00:08:18,456 --> 00:08:19,916 "This isn't a normal school." 153 00:08:19,999 --> 00:08:21,501 Like, "What's goin' on?" 154 00:08:21,584 --> 00:08:25,588 Then two staff members flanked me on either side, 155 00:08:25,672 --> 00:08:29,676 linked arms with me, and… 156 00:08:30,385 --> 00:08:31,928 walked me off to the dorms. 157 00:08:32,012 --> 00:08:35,598 And they said I was not allowed to talk anymore at all. 158 00:08:36,474 --> 00:08:40,228 And, um, yeah, that's most people's first, 159 00:08:41,229 --> 00:08:43,064 uh, experience at Ivy Ridge 160 00:08:43,148 --> 00:08:47,694 is just hearing these doors click locked behind them. 161 00:08:48,319 --> 00:08:50,155 And you can never leave. 162 00:08:51,030 --> 00:08:52,031 So… 163 00:09:03,251 --> 00:09:08,256 So, they escort me back here, and then they take me into the bathroom. 164 00:09:08,757 --> 00:09:12,302 The hallway was just lined with mattresses, 165 00:09:12,385 --> 00:09:14,471 with kids sleeping out in the hallway, 166 00:09:14,554 --> 00:09:17,015 with their arms out, their wrists out like that, 167 00:09:17,098 --> 00:09:18,975 and staff at different points. 168 00:09:19,058 --> 00:09:21,186 And then they brought me in here, 169 00:09:21,269 --> 00:09:25,065 into the bathroom, and had me take off all my clothes 170 00:09:25,565 --> 00:09:28,401 and jump up and down and cough. 171 00:09:28,902 --> 00:09:30,779 Strip-searched. So… 172 00:09:30,862 --> 00:09:33,114 Then they had me sleep in the hallway. 173 00:09:34,157 --> 00:09:36,618 As I lay on the mattress in the brightly-lit hallway, 174 00:09:36,701 --> 00:09:39,704 with my hands outstretched while a stern-looking woman monitored me 175 00:09:39,788 --> 00:09:41,081 throughout the night, 176 00:09:41,164 --> 00:09:45,001 I couldn't help but think, "Where the fuck am I?" 177 00:09:46,127 --> 00:09:49,839 The Academy at Ivy Ridge is located in upper New York State, 178 00:09:49,923 --> 00:09:53,718 along the St. Lawrence River and close to the Adirondack Mountains. 179 00:09:53,802 --> 00:09:57,597 Its remote location helps minimize inappropriate distractions, 180 00:09:57,680 --> 00:09:59,808 but it's still only a six-to-ten-hour drive 181 00:09:59,891 --> 00:10:01,601 from many of the major cities. 182 00:10:01,684 --> 00:10:03,812 In addition to academic curriculum, 183 00:10:03,895 --> 00:10:09,400 students are also taught values, integrity, honor, accountability… 184 00:10:09,484 --> 00:10:11,736 …and respect for authority. 185 00:10:13,530 --> 00:10:18,910 The program was marketed as help for kids with "bad behavior," 186 00:10:18,993 --> 00:10:20,453 for lack of a better expression. 187 00:10:21,079 --> 00:10:22,664 They sold it as "tough love." 188 00:10:23,373 --> 00:10:26,918 Many of these kids are taken in the middle of the night 189 00:10:27,001 --> 00:10:30,255 out of their bedrooms by these so-called "transport services," 190 00:10:30,338 --> 00:10:35,009 where these big guys come, all dressed in black with their handcuffs. 191 00:10:35,093 --> 00:10:38,388 Your parents are standing there at the doorway, watching. 192 00:10:38,471 --> 00:10:41,057 It's 3:00 in the morning. You get woken up out of bed. 193 00:10:41,141 --> 00:10:43,893 These guys grab you. You don't know what's going on. 194 00:10:43,977 --> 00:10:46,646 You're saying "help" to your parents. They're just standing there. 195 00:10:46,729 --> 00:10:50,108 They take you off somewhere. You have no idea where you're going. 196 00:10:50,191 --> 00:10:53,236 That alone is going to be a lifelong trauma. 197 00:10:54,154 --> 00:10:56,573 When you first arrive, you're put on run watch, 198 00:10:56,656 --> 00:10:59,534 where they take your shoelaces and make you sleep in the hallway. 199 00:10:59,617 --> 00:11:02,954 Kids who were placed on suicide watch had to sleep with their arms outstretched 200 00:11:03,037 --> 00:11:05,957 so staff could monitor that they weren't trying to hurt themselves. 201 00:11:06,749 --> 00:11:08,877 They would force haircuts on all the male students 202 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,671 or for girls whose hairstyle they didn't like. 203 00:11:11,754 --> 00:11:13,590 Every kid was strip-searched. 204 00:11:13,673 --> 00:11:17,969 Alexa had a male, I believe, do her strip search. 205 00:11:18,052 --> 00:11:18,928 Unbelievable. 206 00:11:19,012 --> 00:11:21,931 It was this. That's all you got, you know? 207 00:11:22,015 --> 00:11:23,600 - Hmm. - And then it was jumping. 208 00:11:23,683 --> 00:11:25,018 I had to squat and cough. 209 00:11:25,727 --> 00:11:28,563 And then I had to pee into a cup. 210 00:11:28,646 --> 00:11:31,357 And at this point, you know, you're naked. 211 00:11:31,441 --> 00:11:33,818 - I was naked and peeing into a cup. - That's, that's… 212 00:11:33,901 --> 00:11:37,071 I'm covering my, you know, whatever, but then that's all exposed. 213 00:11:37,155 --> 00:11:38,573 - Yeah. - I was 15. 214 00:11:38,656 --> 00:11:40,074 Was that not illegal? 215 00:11:40,158 --> 00:11:42,827 - That shouldn't be the male staff. - I mean, it has to be. 216 00:11:42,911 --> 00:11:45,163 Alexa and I were friends before the program. 217 00:11:45,246 --> 00:11:46,706 - Alexa! - Hi. 218 00:11:46,789 --> 00:11:47,707 - Hi! - Hi. 219 00:11:47,790 --> 00:11:49,542 I don't think you're gonna get that. 220 00:11:49,626 --> 00:11:51,628 Are you a little camera shy? 221 00:11:52,211 --> 00:11:54,214 Stop, I hate cameras. 222 00:11:54,297 --> 00:11:58,259 I met you in 7th grade, and my memories of you, honestly, 223 00:11:58,343 --> 00:12:01,221 was just this super bubbly, 224 00:12:01,304 --> 00:12:05,016 like, outgoing, crazy, off-the-walls, larger-than-life personality. 225 00:12:05,099 --> 00:12:06,267 I was really cool. 226 00:12:06,351 --> 00:12:08,686 Yeah! I remember you being cool. You were the jock. 227 00:12:08,770 --> 00:12:11,022 I was like the Ferris Bueller, if I may. 228 00:12:11,105 --> 00:12:14,442 Well, no, but you were great. You were super, super personable. 229 00:12:14,525 --> 00:12:16,277 I feel like everybody liked you. 230 00:12:16,361 --> 00:12:19,822 And so it was shocking to me when I saw you in the program. 231 00:12:19,906 --> 00:12:21,157 Like, shocking. 232 00:12:22,075 --> 00:12:23,326 "Wait, Katherine?" 233 00:12:23,826 --> 00:12:26,204 "Wait, wait, wait. Katherine Daniel?" 234 00:12:26,287 --> 00:12:29,082 -Like, this super Christian… -I was a good kid! 235 00:12:29,165 --> 00:12:31,709 -…drinking the Kool-Aid kid. -I was a really good kid! 236 00:12:31,793 --> 00:12:34,003 -I was super Christian. -You were. You were. 237 00:12:34,712 --> 00:12:37,173 So, the first day, 238 00:12:37,256 --> 00:12:41,427 I remember hearing over the walkie-talkies them go, 239 00:12:41,511 --> 00:12:43,388 "Upper level, Alexa Brand." 240 00:12:43,471 --> 00:12:46,683 And I was like, "Hey! I know Alexa Brand! I went to school with her!" 241 00:12:46,766 --> 00:12:50,687 And they were like, "Oh, you know Alexa? You can't talk to her, then." 242 00:12:50,770 --> 00:12:57,193 Yeah, they really do not want close relationships forming in the program. 243 00:12:57,276 --> 00:13:01,322 So, if you have a past relationship, you're not talking to them. 244 00:13:01,406 --> 00:13:04,575 Well, yeah. So, it's a lot to process 'cause there are all these rules. 245 00:13:04,659 --> 00:13:06,077 It's so insane. 246 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:09,539 It takes so long to learn about it that they literally… 247 00:13:09,622 --> 00:13:12,834 When you first get to the program, they assign you a hope buddy 248 00:13:12,917 --> 00:13:14,502 for the first three days 249 00:13:14,585 --> 00:13:16,504 - to tell you all the rules. - Right. 250 00:13:17,422 --> 00:13:19,674 Allison was my hope buddy at Ivy Ridge. 251 00:13:19,757 --> 00:13:23,511 So she spent the next three days explaining all the rules to me. 252 00:13:23,594 --> 00:13:28,099 I remember it was just so clear that you really thought 253 00:13:28,182 --> 00:13:31,644 you were at a school of some variety. 254 00:13:31,728 --> 00:13:34,439 And so, I just remember thinking, like, 255 00:13:34,522 --> 00:13:38,276 "Oh, she's about to have her mind blown." 256 00:13:38,985 --> 00:13:41,487 These are all the rule violations. 257 00:13:41,571 --> 00:13:45,366 But then what's nice is it tells you what you would get them for. 258 00:13:45,450 --> 00:13:48,244 There are so many rules that it's impossible to learn all of them 259 00:13:48,327 --> 00:13:49,370 in those three days. 260 00:13:49,454 --> 00:13:51,039 So, I'll just give you the highlights. 261 00:13:51,122 --> 00:13:52,332 You can't talk. 262 00:13:52,415 --> 00:13:54,167 You can't look out the window. 263 00:13:54,250 --> 00:13:56,753 You can't make eye contact with other students. 264 00:13:56,836 --> 00:13:58,963 You can't touch anyone. 265 00:13:59,047 --> 00:14:00,840 You have to pivot around every corner 266 00:14:00,923 --> 00:14:03,968 and maintain a strict, military-like structure. 267 00:14:04,052 --> 00:14:05,970 You have to wear your hair in a braid. 268 00:14:06,054 --> 00:14:08,347 No makeup. No shaving. 269 00:14:08,431 --> 00:14:11,893 You're not allowed to look in the mirror. You're so controlled. 270 00:14:11,976 --> 00:14:13,603 When you went to the bathroom, 271 00:14:13,686 --> 00:14:15,855 you always had to keep the stall door open. 272 00:14:16,564 --> 00:14:19,400 And so you'd have to go to the bathroom, 273 00:14:19,484 --> 00:14:22,028 and the staff would just be staring at you. 274 00:14:22,111 --> 00:14:24,322 You had to be fast too. You didn't have much time. 275 00:14:24,405 --> 00:14:28,701 101 Rude Act, intentionally passing gas. 276 00:14:28,785 --> 00:14:31,871 You're literally not allowed to fart without permission. 277 00:14:31,954 --> 00:14:36,083 No joke. If you farted without asking for permission, it was a 101 Rude Act. 278 00:14:36,167 --> 00:14:37,377 Minus five points. 279 00:14:37,460 --> 00:14:40,755 Any nonverbal showing, like, winking or smiling, is a correction. 280 00:14:40,838 --> 00:14:44,091 Yeah, our facial expressions were so controlled… 281 00:14:44,175 --> 00:14:46,803 - Yeah. - We literally couldn't smile. 282 00:14:46,886 --> 00:14:48,805 Or that would add two days on to your sentence. 283 00:14:50,390 --> 00:14:53,309 For us, it was like a game. You have to get a certain amount of points. 284 00:14:53,392 --> 00:14:56,354 So you calculated how many days it would take you to get home 285 00:14:56,437 --> 00:14:58,106 if you got 15 points a day. 286 00:14:58,189 --> 00:15:02,068 And you just tried to get through the day just by being emotionless. 287 00:15:02,151 --> 00:15:03,903 Just dissociating and being like, 288 00:15:03,986 --> 00:15:07,156 "Let me just be a robot, and pivot, and get through this day." 289 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:11,035 "And play this, like, insane video game that is not fun." 290 00:15:12,036 --> 00:15:14,497 The program runs on a points and level system. 291 00:15:14,580 --> 00:15:16,999 Everyone starts on level one with zero points. 292 00:15:17,083 --> 00:15:19,252 You move up in levels by getting points. 293 00:15:19,335 --> 00:15:21,921 You earn points by following the rules all day. 294 00:15:22,004 --> 00:15:24,549 If you break a rule, you get a correction. 295 00:15:25,049 --> 00:15:27,176 That removes points from your total. 296 00:15:27,260 --> 00:15:29,178 On level one, you are nothing. 297 00:15:29,262 --> 00:15:32,598 If you got a correction, you likely didn't have enough points to cover it. 298 00:15:32,682 --> 00:15:35,309 So you'd be sent to worksheets to write meaningless essays 299 00:15:35,393 --> 00:15:37,019 or copy rules for hours. 300 00:15:38,146 --> 00:15:42,608 When you got to level two, you were allowed to have a candy bar twice a week. 301 00:15:45,737 --> 00:15:48,781 Level three was a big deal because it meant you were finally allowed 302 00:15:48,865 --> 00:15:52,577 to have a 15-minute phone call once a month with your parents. 303 00:15:52,660 --> 00:15:54,078 But staff would listen in. 304 00:15:54,162 --> 00:15:56,080 If you said anything bad about the program, 305 00:15:56,164 --> 00:15:59,250 they would disconnect the call, and you would lose your phone privileges. 306 00:15:59,792 --> 00:16:02,879 Levels four through six were upper levels. 307 00:16:03,421 --> 00:16:05,882 And it was a completely different program. 308 00:16:05,965 --> 00:16:09,886 You could talk. You could shave. You could wear your hair down. 309 00:16:09,969 --> 00:16:13,055 But you can't leave the program until you get to level six. 310 00:16:13,139 --> 00:16:15,516 And that takes a very long time. 311 00:16:16,017 --> 00:16:18,853 They want to keep you here forever. It's impossible to get points. 312 00:16:18,936 --> 00:16:22,565 The program is intentionally impossible to follow. 313 00:16:22,648 --> 00:16:25,234 They make it so you're just stuck here forever. 314 00:16:28,779 --> 00:16:31,699 My first few days in the program were a blur. 315 00:16:31,783 --> 00:16:33,784 Like a horrible fever dream. 316 00:16:33,868 --> 00:16:35,995 This was supposed to be a place for bad kids 317 00:16:36,078 --> 00:16:38,831 with serious drug issues, not me. 318 00:16:38,915 --> 00:16:40,666 This had to be a mistake. 319 00:16:41,167 --> 00:16:43,252 Then I got my first letter from my dad. 320 00:16:43,753 --> 00:16:47,632 "Dear Katherine, the reason that I had to arrange special escorts to pick you up 321 00:16:47,715 --> 00:16:48,633 was that I was afraid 322 00:16:48,716 --> 00:16:50,635 that if I picked you up and brought you home, 323 00:16:50,718 --> 00:16:52,845 that I would go soft and just let things go." 324 00:16:52,929 --> 00:16:54,096 "I had to sort of trick you 325 00:16:54,180 --> 00:16:56,807 in order to help you escape from your own dangerous behavior." 326 00:16:56,891 --> 00:17:00,645 "You need to plan your action around completing the entire program there." 327 00:17:00,728 --> 00:17:01,938 "It really works." 328 00:17:02,021 --> 00:17:04,315 "And how fast you get through it is up to you." 329 00:17:04,398 --> 00:17:05,650 "But don't fake it." 330 00:17:05,733 --> 00:17:06,943 "They won't let you." 331 00:17:07,026 --> 00:17:10,822 "I miss you so much, and so does Jane. And don't try to blame this on Jane." 332 00:17:10,905 --> 00:17:13,658 "She feels guilty for being so hard on you." 333 00:17:13,741 --> 00:17:16,077 In my intake file, they said, 334 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:19,247 "Jane admits she has been borderline abusive," and that, 335 00:17:19,330 --> 00:17:23,292 "Katherine will most likely relate 'evil stepmother' stories about Jane." 336 00:17:24,168 --> 00:17:28,381 What was this program, and how did my dad even know about it? 337 00:17:28,881 --> 00:17:31,300 If I could just hop on the phone and talk to him, 338 00:17:31,384 --> 00:17:33,052 we could get this all cleared up. 339 00:17:33,136 --> 00:17:36,013 But I wasn't allowed to use the phone. 340 00:17:37,306 --> 00:17:38,557 When you get to Ivy Ridge, 341 00:17:38,641 --> 00:17:41,686 you're cut off from all communication with the outside world. 342 00:17:41,769 --> 00:17:45,564 Except for a letter we were required to write to family once a week. 343 00:17:45,648 --> 00:17:48,609 My parents kept every single letter I sent from the program. 344 00:17:49,735 --> 00:17:53,406 Reading through them sheds light on what daily life was like at Ivy Ridge. 345 00:17:54,323 --> 00:17:55,491 "Dear family, 346 00:17:55,574 --> 00:17:58,828 in your last letter, you asked me about my room and what stuff I have." 347 00:17:58,911 --> 00:18:01,789 "Haha. I laughed when you asked that." 348 00:18:01,872 --> 00:18:03,666 "I'm in a room with four other people." 349 00:18:03,749 --> 00:18:05,376 "If I talk to them in the dorm room, 350 00:18:05,459 --> 00:18:07,670 I will get a Cat 4 and lose all my points." 351 00:18:07,753 --> 00:18:10,006 "The door always stays open, and the lights on." 352 00:18:10,089 --> 00:18:13,551 "As to what we are allowed to have? Two pair of pajamas." 353 00:18:13,634 --> 00:18:16,012 "Our uniform and toiletries. " 354 00:18:16,095 --> 00:18:18,389 "And a letter box and photo album." 355 00:18:18,472 --> 00:18:21,851 "Anything else is an illegal item, which is 50 points." 356 00:18:21,934 --> 00:18:26,230 "But anyway, enough of rules. I hear them all day long." 357 00:18:29,483 --> 00:18:31,777 The boys' and girls' side were completely separate. 358 00:18:31,861 --> 00:18:34,447 We weren't allowed to make eye contact with the boys. 359 00:18:34,530 --> 00:18:37,450 They did school separately, ate separately, 360 00:18:37,533 --> 00:18:39,869 and stayed in a different part of the facility. 361 00:18:40,494 --> 00:18:43,581 So we slept in this building. We were only here to sleep at night. 362 00:18:43,664 --> 00:18:45,750 This is where all the dorms were. 363 00:18:45,833 --> 00:18:48,252 During the day, every morning, they would get us up, 364 00:18:48,336 --> 00:18:55,051 and we would go into the other building, dorm one, which is right over there. 365 00:18:55,134 --> 00:18:56,886 But they wouldn't trust us 366 00:18:56,969 --> 00:18:59,930 to walk from this building to that building. 367 00:19:00,514 --> 00:19:03,351 So, we'd have to line up and get in a school bus 368 00:19:03,434 --> 00:19:06,812 just to drive us from this building to that building. 369 00:19:07,855 --> 00:19:11,442 Ivy Ridge was a lockdown facility, and we weren't allowed outside. 370 00:19:13,110 --> 00:19:14,945 They even built these enclosed walkways 371 00:19:15,029 --> 00:19:18,074 to connect the buildings so that we never walked outside. 372 00:19:18,157 --> 00:19:20,701 Our whole lives were spent inside the facility. 373 00:19:20,785 --> 00:19:24,121 But the marketing materials presented a different story. 374 00:19:26,666 --> 00:19:30,503 The Academy at Ivy Ridge campus was formerly a junior college. 375 00:19:30,586 --> 00:19:33,506 It is located on 237 acres, 376 00:19:33,589 --> 00:19:36,634 with plenty of outdoor recreational space and nature trails. 377 00:19:40,012 --> 00:19:42,139 If you look at pictures of Ivy Ridge, 378 00:19:42,223 --> 00:19:44,141 you wouldn't think anything bad was going on. 379 00:19:45,184 --> 00:19:48,020 Once a year, they allowed us to have a "fun day," 380 00:19:48,104 --> 00:19:51,315 where we could go outside, and play, and have decent food. 381 00:19:51,399 --> 00:19:55,444 But the marketing materials made it seem like this was a daily occurrence. 382 00:19:55,528 --> 00:19:58,030 It's very hard to find photos of what life was like 383 00:19:58,114 --> 00:20:00,324 for the majority of children in the program. 384 00:20:01,450 --> 00:20:04,620 I remember just staring at these walls for hours. 385 00:20:04,703 --> 00:20:07,540 Probably to break me. I think that's probably what it was. 386 00:20:07,623 --> 00:20:12,503 It became a game with these staff members. "Who was gonna be the one to break Diana?" 387 00:20:12,586 --> 00:20:17,091 Because I had been here for so long, and I just was refusing. 388 00:20:17,174 --> 00:20:19,051 I wouldn't follow the rules. I wouldn't do it. 389 00:20:19,135 --> 00:20:23,889 And everybody was like, "Just fake it till you make it." 390 00:20:23,973 --> 00:20:26,016 And I was like, "I can't. I won't do it." 391 00:20:26,100 --> 00:20:30,104 So, at that point, they were like, "Then you're gonna go to intervention." 392 00:20:30,688 --> 00:20:33,399 Intervention is where they sent students 393 00:20:33,482 --> 00:20:36,110 when they were actively rebelling against the program. 394 00:20:36,193 --> 00:20:40,948 You can see how small these rooms are. They're not very big at all. 395 00:20:41,031 --> 00:20:42,700 A lot of times, 396 00:20:42,783 --> 00:20:45,536 either I'd be facing a wall and staring at a wall for hours, 397 00:20:45,619 --> 00:20:47,746 or they would have me face down. 398 00:20:47,830 --> 00:20:52,001 I would have to be on my stomach, with my arms out, and my feet out, 399 00:20:52,084 --> 00:20:54,253 and then with my chin on the floor. 400 00:20:54,336 --> 00:20:55,337 So, up like this. 401 00:20:55,421 --> 00:20:57,882 So I would just have to sit there for hours. 402 00:20:57,965 --> 00:21:00,468 So a lot of staff members did a lot of things to me 403 00:21:00,551 --> 00:21:04,889 because they wanted the award of being the one who broke Diana's spirit 404 00:21:04,972 --> 00:21:06,891 and got her to work the program. 405 00:21:07,391 --> 00:21:09,518 Staff would create special challenges 406 00:21:09,602 --> 00:21:11,729 for kids who were resistant to the program. 407 00:21:11,812 --> 00:21:13,856 So Diana was given quite a few. 408 00:21:13,939 --> 00:21:17,610 - So, like, the box challenge. - It's called "a box of crap." 409 00:21:17,693 --> 00:21:19,862 - Yeah. - And it was about this big. 410 00:21:19,945 --> 00:21:22,615 - Yeah. - And it did not have handles. It wasn't… 411 00:21:22,698 --> 00:21:24,950 - It was just a box. - Difficult to hold anyway. 412 00:21:25,034 --> 00:21:27,912 Yup. And then it was full of reams of paper. 413 00:21:27,995 --> 00:21:29,997 So, I had to hold it like this. 414 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:31,957 - So, that's heavy. - Very heavy. 415 00:21:32,041 --> 00:21:34,543 I would have to carry it everywhere, all around the facility. 416 00:21:34,627 --> 00:21:37,505 And I'd be trying to balance and keep in line structure. 417 00:21:37,588 --> 00:21:39,340 And how long did that last for? 418 00:21:39,423 --> 00:21:40,966 About two weeks. 419 00:21:41,050 --> 00:21:43,219 But that's impossible to hold all day. 420 00:21:43,302 --> 00:21:45,554 It was just I was sore all the time. It just really hurt. 421 00:21:45,638 --> 00:21:48,724 There were bruises all over my arms from the corners. 422 00:21:48,807 --> 00:21:53,270 And the staff sent out an email saying if anybody sees bruising on Diana's arms, 423 00:21:53,354 --> 00:21:55,105 it's because of the box. 424 00:21:55,856 --> 00:21:57,817 So you could just never set it down? 425 00:21:57,900 --> 00:22:00,110 Never. They'd make me run with this in gym! 426 00:22:00,194 --> 00:22:01,820 - Are you serious? How? - Yes! 427 00:22:01,904 --> 00:22:04,073 Everyone would be running, and I'd be like… 428 00:22:04,657 --> 00:22:07,409 But I'll never forget, I got this, like, strength, 429 00:22:07,493 --> 00:22:10,412 and I took the box, and I was, like, dancing with it. 430 00:22:10,496 --> 00:22:13,207 And then making eye contact with Amy. 431 00:22:13,874 --> 00:22:17,044 Amy Ritchie was the director of the girls' side at Ivy Ridge. 432 00:22:17,127 --> 00:22:19,296 And all of this happened under her watch. 433 00:22:24,677 --> 00:22:28,597 The entire program seemed to be one of more or less constant oppression. 434 00:22:29,181 --> 00:22:34,645 And I said, "Well, if this is really happening, this is troubling." 435 00:22:34,728 --> 00:22:36,438 "So I should look into this." 436 00:22:37,273 --> 00:22:42,820 I was writing a series of articles for United Press on this, 437 00:22:42,903 --> 00:22:45,114 interviewing witnesses. 438 00:22:45,197 --> 00:22:48,367 But the program did their best to keep, 439 00:22:48,450 --> 00:22:52,162 you know, the truth of what was going on there from getting out. 440 00:22:52,246 --> 00:22:57,042 The kids were severely restricted in terms of who they could write to. 441 00:22:57,793 --> 00:23:01,547 And, you know, their letters were strictly censored. 442 00:23:02,464 --> 00:23:05,259 If I said anything bad about the program or asked to go home, 443 00:23:05,342 --> 00:23:07,177 I would receive a correction. 444 00:23:07,261 --> 00:23:10,514 The very first correction I received in the program was a "manipulation" 445 00:23:10,598 --> 00:23:13,517 for asking my dad to take me out of the program. 446 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:15,519 I'm surprised they let this letter get sent 447 00:23:15,603 --> 00:23:18,022 because it shows how controlling they were. 448 00:23:18,105 --> 00:23:21,108 "I'm so sick of doing the same thing every day, 449 00:23:21,191 --> 00:23:22,568 of not being able to talk." 450 00:23:22,651 --> 00:23:25,946 "And I just wanna go home. And I wanna watch I Love Lucy, 451 00:23:26,030 --> 00:23:28,824 and Andy Griffith, and talk to my sister." 452 00:23:28,907 --> 00:23:31,452 "And not have to stand in line structure." 453 00:23:31,535 --> 00:23:34,246 "And be able to go to the bathroom without a staff member." 454 00:23:34,330 --> 00:23:36,540 "And be able to curl up in my bed when I'm sick." 455 00:23:36,624 --> 00:23:40,002 "And play my guitar. And be able to look out the window." 456 00:23:40,669 --> 00:23:43,839 "What is it that's still wrong with me that you want me to change?" 457 00:23:43,922 --> 00:23:46,258 "Obviously, something about me isn't good enough for you yet 458 00:23:46,342 --> 00:23:48,093 because you're still keeping me here." 459 00:23:48,677 --> 00:23:51,430 "Please just tell me what you want me to do and I'll do it." 460 00:23:51,513 --> 00:23:53,390 "Give me a chance." 461 00:23:56,935 --> 00:23:59,104 So many more files. 462 00:23:59,188 --> 00:24:02,149 I think these are all just academic files, which are all bullshit. 463 00:24:02,232 --> 00:24:04,443 I don't even give a fuck about my academic file. 464 00:24:04,526 --> 00:24:06,779 It's like, "Bible class, you passed!" 465 00:24:07,363 --> 00:24:10,074 Okay, wait. I wanna see if I'm in here. 466 00:24:11,909 --> 00:24:13,244 Katherine Daniel! 467 00:24:13,327 --> 00:24:14,828 - No! - Yeah! 468 00:24:14,912 --> 00:24:17,706 - Your academic record. - There she is! My academic record! 469 00:24:17,790 --> 00:24:19,458 Which is probably awful. 470 00:24:19,541 --> 00:24:22,419 'Cause that was one of the other reasons I was sent here. 471 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,506 What did I get on the SAT? Don't look. It's probably bad. 472 00:24:25,589 --> 00:24:28,467 I'm actually smart. I was just in these circumstances, so… 473 00:24:28,550 --> 00:24:30,386 Yo, mine was really bad. It was 1100. 474 00:24:30,469 --> 00:24:33,097 - I think I have, like, 1100… - Yeah. 475 00:24:33,681 --> 00:24:37,017 It's hard to do well in school when you're being abused all the time. 476 00:24:40,896 --> 00:24:43,732 So, this is where we would do all our schoolwork. 477 00:24:44,775 --> 00:24:48,904 We'd spend most of our time just here in this lab, and, um… 478 00:24:50,364 --> 00:24:53,701 Couldn't look out the window. This is setting you up for failure here. 479 00:24:53,784 --> 00:24:55,369 Computer facing the window. 480 00:24:55,452 --> 00:24:57,413 Not allowed to look out that. 481 00:24:57,496 --> 00:25:02,000 And they had this homeschool program where we would do all of our work. 482 00:25:03,085 --> 00:25:06,088 We spent most of the day just sitting in here 483 00:25:06,171 --> 00:25:07,589 and bullshitting schoolwork. 484 00:25:07,673 --> 00:25:09,466 'Cause we just had this homeschool program, 485 00:25:09,550 --> 00:25:11,927 and no one would teach us, so we'd keep taking the quizzes 486 00:25:12,010 --> 00:25:14,430 over and over again until we got 80 or above to pass. 487 00:25:14,513 --> 00:25:16,432 And that was our high school. 488 00:25:16,515 --> 00:25:20,644 They would have "teachers" they would say, that would sit at the end there. 489 00:25:20,728 --> 00:25:22,896 We could raise our hand and ask 'em a question. 490 00:25:22,980 --> 00:25:26,400 We could get five minutes with them, and that would be our education. 491 00:25:27,943 --> 00:25:31,655 I refused to refer to them as students 492 00:25:31,739 --> 00:25:34,324 because they weren't being given anything 493 00:25:34,408 --> 00:25:37,161 that could be called an adequate education. 494 00:25:37,244 --> 00:25:40,581 They were kept under oppressive conditions. 495 00:25:40,664 --> 00:25:44,001 You know, if you're gonna market yourself as a school, 496 00:25:44,084 --> 00:25:47,087 then you better show me something that looks like education. 497 00:25:47,171 --> 00:25:50,257 And I'm sorry, I just wasn't seeing it. 498 00:25:51,508 --> 00:25:55,220 Ivy Ridge's slogan was, "A boarding school for the future." 499 00:25:55,304 --> 00:25:58,265 Maybe they meant that at some point in the future it would be a school, 500 00:25:58,349 --> 00:26:00,058 because it never actually was one. 501 00:26:00,142 --> 00:26:03,479 It was a behavior modification program. 502 00:26:04,104 --> 00:26:06,565 We use a ver… a level program 503 00:26:06,648 --> 00:26:10,110 that enables the kids to see where they've been misled 504 00:26:10,611 --> 00:26:15,282 and get rewarded for good behavior or consequented for bad behavior. 505 00:26:15,949 --> 00:26:18,660 Jason Finlinson was the Director of Ivy Ridge. 506 00:26:18,744 --> 00:26:20,204 And he's also an idiot. 507 00:26:20,287 --> 00:26:22,915 Okay, so tonight, we're gonna talk about black holes. 508 00:26:22,998 --> 00:26:25,292 Black holes are, um… 509 00:26:25,375 --> 00:26:28,504 They're black because as they're condensed… 510 00:26:28,587 --> 00:26:30,047 They're really dense in the middle. 511 00:26:30,839 --> 00:26:34,259 He couldn't spell or write a complete sentence to save his life. 512 00:26:34,343 --> 00:26:35,386 When a parent emailed him 513 00:26:35,469 --> 00:26:38,388 concerned about the quality of education at Ivy Ridge, he replied, 514 00:26:39,098 --> 00:26:41,975 "All of our teachers are New York State Certifityed." 515 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,480 "All of the therapist are Certifityed as well." 516 00:26:47,272 --> 00:26:49,483 I'm sure that response was reassuring. 517 00:26:50,067 --> 00:26:53,070 Jason had hired his little brother, Jake Finlinson, 518 00:26:53,153 --> 00:26:55,948 to be the Head of Academics at Ivy Ridge. 519 00:26:56,031 --> 00:26:57,199 But even Jake said, 520 00:26:57,282 --> 00:26:59,284 "Students are not here for academics, 521 00:26:59,368 --> 00:27:02,287 but to work on themselves and their families." 522 00:27:02,371 --> 00:27:05,374 Jake also banned several books from Ivy Ridge. 523 00:27:05,457 --> 00:27:09,753 One book they didn't ban, though, was The Count of Monte Cristo. 524 00:27:10,337 --> 00:27:13,799 I just found Count of Monte Cristo with my name in the checkout thing. 525 00:27:13,882 --> 00:27:17,469 And I've always said that this is like Count of Monte Cristo 526 00:27:17,552 --> 00:27:21,223 because I had this false imprisonment where I planned my big revenge. 527 00:27:21,306 --> 00:27:22,766 I was like, "When I get out of here, 528 00:27:22,850 --> 00:27:24,768 I'm gonna make a documentary about these places." 529 00:27:24,852 --> 00:27:27,312 "And I'll get back at every one of you!" 530 00:27:27,396 --> 00:27:30,065 This is so representative of my program journey. 531 00:27:31,108 --> 00:27:33,443 If you're not familiar with the story, it's about a man 532 00:27:33,527 --> 00:27:35,612 who was falsely imprisoned and used his confinement 533 00:27:35,696 --> 00:27:38,115 to plot his revenge against those responsible. 534 00:27:38,866 --> 00:27:41,535 I read the book while I was there and found solace in the thought 535 00:27:41,618 --> 00:27:44,329 that one day I too would escape this wrongful imprisonment 536 00:27:44,413 --> 00:27:46,790 and get revenge on those responsible. 537 00:27:47,499 --> 00:27:51,587 So, here I am, 18 years later, to do just that. 538 00:27:52,629 --> 00:27:54,172 Ogdensburg is a small town, 539 00:27:54,256 --> 00:27:57,384 so there's a good chance I'd run into a familiar face. 540 00:27:59,094 --> 00:28:00,345 That's Miss Siss. 541 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:03,640 What is y'all doing here? 542 00:28:03,724 --> 00:28:05,434 We're just filming in Phillips 543 00:28:05,517 --> 00:28:08,645 'cause I'm actually working on a documentary about Ivy Ridge. 544 00:28:08,729 --> 00:28:10,564 - Oh, really? - Yeah! I'm curious. 545 00:28:10,647 --> 00:28:13,358 Would you be open to being interviewed about your time there? 546 00:28:13,442 --> 00:28:15,068 Sure. How about tomorrow, huh? 547 00:28:15,152 --> 00:28:17,154 Yeah! I'll buy breakfast. How about that? 548 00:28:17,237 --> 00:28:21,283 Florence Dedekker, or "Miss Siss" as we all called her, 549 00:28:21,366 --> 00:28:24,953 was the shift supervisor for the girls' side at Ivy Ridge. 550 00:28:26,496 --> 00:28:28,916 This was Siss's desk. 551 00:28:28,999 --> 00:28:31,627 This was, like, the control center. 552 00:28:31,710 --> 00:28:35,672 Like, the heartbeat of the girls' side. 553 00:28:35,756 --> 00:28:38,592 She would sit here and she'd just keep an eye on everything. 554 00:28:38,675 --> 00:28:41,928 Like, "You pick up a correction! You're lookin' the wrong way!" 555 00:28:42,012 --> 00:28:43,889 "Get back! Line structure!" You know? 556 00:28:43,972 --> 00:28:47,684 And she just, like, ruled the place from here. 557 00:28:47,768 --> 00:28:52,439 Siss is a character. I mean, she's loud. She's unapologetic. 558 00:28:52,522 --> 00:28:55,609 If she did your intake, you're doing the full squat and cough. 559 00:28:55,692 --> 00:29:00,197 You know, she was just, like, notoriously inappropriate that way. 560 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,157 Like, "Ah, we're gonna do your strip search!" 561 00:29:02,241 --> 00:29:03,158 "Get naked, girl!" 562 00:29:03,241 --> 00:29:04,660 Right? The strip searches! 563 00:29:04,743 --> 00:29:06,995 She was really, like, into the strip searches. 564 00:29:07,079 --> 00:29:09,706 She was a very, very thorough strip searcher. 565 00:29:09,790 --> 00:29:13,794 - "Who wants a strip search?" -"There's a missing pen!" 566 00:29:13,877 --> 00:29:16,505 - "Why not?" -"A pen is missing!" 567 00:29:16,588 --> 00:29:19,299 "Who wants a strip search?" 568 00:29:20,968 --> 00:29:22,636 Never in my wildest dreams 569 00:29:22,719 --> 00:29:25,097 did I think I'd be buying her breakfast one day, 570 00:29:25,639 --> 00:29:27,474 but I had a lot of questions for her. 571 00:29:27,557 --> 00:29:30,936 And then more coffee when you get a chance. Thank you so much. 572 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:32,562 Now, it… 573 00:29:33,397 --> 00:29:36,775 Is this to help you girls with what you went through? 574 00:29:36,858 --> 00:29:38,986 I'm trying to piece together a lot of stuff. 575 00:29:39,069 --> 00:29:41,780 So I was hoping you could help me fill in some of the gaps. 576 00:29:41,863 --> 00:29:45,117 Can you explain what your role was there? What your job title was? 577 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:46,910 What they told you when you went into it? 578 00:29:46,993 --> 00:29:49,246 When I first went in it, I was a dorm parent. 579 00:29:49,329 --> 00:29:50,163 Okay. 580 00:29:50,247 --> 00:29:53,166 My job was to keep you on structure. 581 00:29:53,250 --> 00:29:54,668 - Yeah. - Okay? 582 00:29:54,751 --> 00:29:57,504 Like, couldn't talk when you wanted to talk. 583 00:29:57,588 --> 00:30:00,382 You had to have permission for just about everything. 584 00:30:00,465 --> 00:30:02,175 - Everything. - Everything. 585 00:30:02,259 --> 00:30:05,012 So, if I was sitting at my desk, 586 00:30:05,095 --> 00:30:08,307 and I seen you goin' like this, I'd say, 587 00:30:08,390 --> 00:30:11,393 "Katherine, you need to get a consequence for off-task." 588 00:30:11,476 --> 00:30:14,187 Yeah, which is a 25-point correction. 589 00:30:14,271 --> 00:30:16,565 You couldn't talk to the girl next to you. 590 00:30:16,648 --> 00:30:19,026 You couldn't look out the window. 591 00:30:19,109 --> 00:30:23,155 Upon arrival, they had to strip down. 592 00:30:23,238 --> 00:30:24,448 -Okay? -Yeah! 593 00:30:24,531 --> 00:30:29,369 They may have a cell phone hid somewhere in them. 594 00:30:29,453 --> 00:30:32,456 -Like, and I mean, in them. -Oh, in them. 595 00:30:32,539 --> 00:30:33,415 -Yeah. -Oh wow. 596 00:30:34,124 --> 00:30:36,251 Like, he always had them squat. 597 00:30:36,334 --> 00:30:37,419 I guess you… 598 00:30:37,502 --> 00:30:41,631 I say you didn't have the privacy that you should have had. 599 00:30:42,215 --> 00:30:43,216 You know? 600 00:30:44,051 --> 00:30:46,678 Do you remember George Tulip? 601 00:30:46,762 --> 00:30:48,472 Yes! Doesn't his wife work here? 602 00:30:48,555 --> 00:30:50,223 -His wife works here. -Okay. 603 00:30:50,307 --> 00:30:51,808 Wait, is she here right now? 604 00:30:52,726 --> 00:30:54,770 I think she's the blonde one, right? 605 00:30:56,271 --> 00:30:59,065 -I can't see who's back there. -I think she's behind. We'll see. 606 00:30:59,149 --> 00:31:01,109 She was walking by you. Tell me if you see her. 607 00:31:01,193 --> 00:31:02,611 What about George Tulip? 608 00:31:02,694 --> 00:31:04,821 I had been hearing a lot of stories about him. 609 00:31:04,905 --> 00:31:06,156 He was a tough one. 610 00:31:07,616 --> 00:31:11,328 George Tulip was the director of the boys' side of the program. 611 00:31:11,411 --> 00:31:15,499 This is him tackling and restraining a kid in order to forcibly shave his head. 612 00:31:21,963 --> 00:31:25,676 There was a lot of kids that would try to hit you and everything. 613 00:31:25,759 --> 00:31:28,970 You did have to do a restraint on some of them. 614 00:31:29,054 --> 00:31:29,888 Oh yeah? 615 00:31:29,971 --> 00:31:33,517 But I didn't use the restraint techniques that I was taught up there. 616 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:34,810 Oh really? What did you do? 617 00:31:34,893 --> 00:31:37,729 I always just put a pressure point on their neck 618 00:31:37,813 --> 00:31:40,107 and took their arm and put it behind 'em. 619 00:31:40,190 --> 00:31:43,235 And then if they kept fighting, I just put 'em to the ground. 620 00:31:43,318 --> 00:31:44,152 Mm-hmm. 621 00:31:44,236 --> 00:31:47,322 If you put a pressure point on the back of their neck, 622 00:31:47,405 --> 00:31:49,324 they're gonna go to the floor for you. 623 00:31:49,408 --> 00:31:52,536 -Yeah. -Easier if you have their arm behind them. 624 00:31:52,619 --> 00:31:54,830 -Oh, really? -Because they can't hit you. 625 00:31:55,413 --> 00:31:57,124 So, after the first year, I said, 626 00:31:57,207 --> 00:32:00,460 "This ain't no boarding school. This is fucking prison." 627 00:32:00,544 --> 00:32:01,837 Yeah. I'll tell you what. 628 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:05,090 This food here is better than Ivy Ridge's food. 629 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:09,428 I don't know how youse could eat that. I never ate a lot up there. 630 00:32:09,511 --> 00:32:11,221 I had a problem. 631 00:32:11,304 --> 00:32:12,889 -Yeah? -I'm not afraid to tell you. 632 00:32:13,890 --> 00:32:15,350 The girls that… 633 00:32:17,269 --> 00:32:20,105 -The girls that were gay. -Mm-hmm. 634 00:32:20,188 --> 00:32:21,690 -I had a problem-- -Oh, sorry. 635 00:32:22,190 --> 00:32:25,527 I really want to know what Siss was about to say just then, 636 00:32:25,610 --> 00:32:27,154 but this is when my producer came up 637 00:32:27,237 --> 00:32:29,739 to tell me that we were being asked to leave the diner. 638 00:32:29,823 --> 00:32:30,991 Okay. Okay. 639 00:32:31,074 --> 00:32:34,703 Apparently, one of the waitresses didn't want us talking about Ivy Ridge. 640 00:32:35,245 --> 00:32:36,413 I wonder why that could be? 641 00:32:39,374 --> 00:32:41,752 We just found a treasure trove. 642 00:32:41,835 --> 00:32:44,629 - So, we were in George Tulip's office. - Whoa! Okay. 643 00:32:45,714 --> 00:32:46,840 What is it? 644 00:32:46,923 --> 00:32:51,678 So, these are all restraints. 645 00:32:51,761 --> 00:32:53,763 - Oh jeez. - And I'm not done. 646 00:32:53,847 --> 00:32:56,516 -These are all restraints. -Jeez. 647 00:32:56,600 --> 00:33:01,188 There's over 200 restraints here over the course of one and a half months. 648 00:33:01,271 --> 00:33:03,982 And it… Look. Writer's signature, "George Tulip." 649 00:33:04,065 --> 00:33:06,693 George Tulip. That means he's the one that did that restraint. 650 00:33:06,776 --> 00:33:09,696 So, "I, George Tulip, brought him to the floor." 651 00:33:09,779 --> 00:33:12,157 - Right. - Yeah! And that was his MO! 652 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,118 This, to me, is the most interesting things of the finds here, 653 00:33:15,202 --> 00:33:19,873 is these handwritten, signed, and dated confessions of abuse by the abusers. 654 00:33:19,956 --> 00:33:22,250 So George Tulip was a fucking child abuser. 655 00:33:22,334 --> 00:33:23,210 Right. 656 00:33:23,293 --> 00:33:25,795 And he signed and dated his own confession. 657 00:33:25,879 --> 00:33:28,423 And we have so many of these. 658 00:33:30,467 --> 00:33:33,637 I don't know if these are gonna be of any importance, um… 659 00:33:34,679 --> 00:33:36,473 - So, these are-- - Oh shit. 660 00:33:36,973 --> 00:33:39,809 My friend Sean found a bunch of archive security camera footage 661 00:33:39,893 --> 00:33:41,269 in the building. 662 00:33:41,353 --> 00:33:45,899 There were stacks of DVDs that were compilations of the most abusive moments. 663 00:33:45,982 --> 00:33:49,110 You can hit the lights. Yeah, just flip that switch. There you go. 664 00:33:50,278 --> 00:33:52,906 Oh, I can't believe there's footage… 665 00:33:52,989 --> 00:33:54,240 Wow, Sean. 666 00:33:57,035 --> 00:33:58,036 So, this is a… 667 00:33:58,119 --> 00:34:00,080 This is gonna be a restraint that takes place. 668 00:34:00,163 --> 00:34:02,249 "You're not doing it good enough," or something. 669 00:34:02,749 --> 00:34:04,751 - Oh jeez. - While he went down! 670 00:34:04,834 --> 00:34:06,211 While he went down-- 671 00:34:06,294 --> 00:34:08,338 What was the kid doing? I don't even see the reason. 672 00:34:08,421 --> 00:34:10,507 - There was no reason. - There was no reason? 673 00:34:10,590 --> 00:34:13,093 He was not doing fitness well enough. 674 00:34:15,220 --> 00:34:16,096 Yeah. 675 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:17,681 Let's see. 676 00:34:18,556 --> 00:34:20,642 Okay. So, this is upstairs of dorm one. 677 00:34:20,725 --> 00:34:22,602 - Oh wow. - Jesus Christ! 678 00:34:22,686 --> 00:34:26,231 That shouldn't be grounds for an instigation on his end. 679 00:34:36,074 --> 00:34:37,283 Holy shit. 680 00:34:39,786 --> 00:34:42,789 - Whoa! Whoa! - Oh my God. Oh my God. 681 00:34:45,417 --> 00:34:47,919 - What's in there? - This is the no-camera room. 682 00:34:48,002 --> 00:34:49,671 What's that mean, "no-camera"? 683 00:34:49,754 --> 00:34:52,382 This is where they took you to fuck you up. 684 00:34:52,924 --> 00:34:54,843 So this room did not have a camera. 685 00:34:54,926 --> 00:34:56,803 This was… The big boys came in here. 686 00:34:56,886 --> 00:34:59,264 And if you came in this room, it was over. 687 00:34:59,347 --> 00:35:02,017 They're tossing you into the wall, slamming you onto the floor, 688 00:35:02,100 --> 00:35:05,061 whatever they wanna do to you. Banging your head into the thing. 689 00:35:05,145 --> 00:35:07,272 Slamming it directly into this radiator. 690 00:35:07,355 --> 00:35:09,566 It didn't matter because there's no cameras here. 691 00:35:09,649 --> 00:35:14,404 Jeez. Considering what we've seen staff do 692 00:35:14,905 --> 00:35:16,781 in the rooms with cameras… 693 00:35:16,865 --> 00:35:17,699 Yeah. 694 00:35:17,782 --> 00:35:21,036 You can only imagine what happened in the no-cameras room. 695 00:35:22,328 --> 00:35:25,791 They would take their hand on the back of your neck, choke you. 696 00:35:25,874 --> 00:35:28,543 Whatever they could do to make you either stop moving 697 00:35:28,626 --> 00:35:30,170 and just feel lifeless. 698 00:35:30,253 --> 00:35:32,756 You're like, "Yo, I could die right now. I'm about to die." 699 00:35:32,839 --> 00:35:35,216 Like, "These dudes is gonna kill me." 700 00:35:39,012 --> 00:35:42,515 This is heavy. I don't have to play this if it's too much for people. 701 00:35:52,067 --> 00:35:54,152 If you didn't go along with the program, 702 00:35:54,236 --> 00:35:55,654 they had ways of breaking you. 703 00:35:55,737 --> 00:36:00,158 Physical restraints, solitary confinement, food deprivation. 704 00:36:00,241 --> 00:36:03,620 The thing about you, Quintin, is you never tried to work your program. 705 00:36:03,703 --> 00:36:04,537 No. 706 00:36:04,621 --> 00:36:06,581 You were level one the entire time? 707 00:36:06,665 --> 00:36:09,000 Eight months, yes. I never made level two. 708 00:36:09,709 --> 00:36:13,088 It's hard to comply with something that you know is wrong. 709 00:36:13,713 --> 00:36:15,965 Quintin was at Ivy Ridge the same time as me, 710 00:36:16,049 --> 00:36:19,135 but he spent most of his time in worksheets and intervention. 711 00:36:19,886 --> 00:36:22,472 Here's some footage of Quintin being restrained. 712 00:36:22,555 --> 00:36:24,140 That happened to him a lot. 713 00:36:30,563 --> 00:36:32,982 They fed me two pieces of bread 714 00:36:33,066 --> 00:36:36,027 and eight ounces of milk for two weeks straight in this room. 715 00:36:36,111 --> 00:36:37,487 For two weeks. 716 00:36:40,156 --> 00:36:42,575 - Hold on. Excuse me. - Yeah, no. Take your time. 717 00:36:44,911 --> 00:36:46,371 You were on a chair. 718 00:36:46,454 --> 00:36:49,833 Your ass had to be an inch on the chair. 719 00:36:49,916 --> 00:36:52,001 Like, you had to be on there forward. 720 00:36:52,085 --> 00:36:53,503 Your feet together, 721 00:36:53,586 --> 00:36:57,257 knees fist-length apart, and you had to stare at the fuckin' wall. 722 00:36:57,340 --> 00:36:59,676 And a lot of us, like, couldn't handle it. 723 00:36:59,759 --> 00:37:02,053 So, we'd start slouchin' and this. 724 00:37:02,136 --> 00:37:05,265 And they'd point at a brick. "Which brick did I just point at?" 725 00:37:05,348 --> 00:37:06,349 "I don't know." 726 00:37:06,433 --> 00:37:07,767 And they would… 727 00:37:07,851 --> 00:37:09,227 There's another two hours. 728 00:37:09,311 --> 00:37:10,520 Like, two hours. 729 00:37:11,438 --> 00:37:14,149 - Wow. - Like, I'm… I'm shaking. 730 00:37:14,232 --> 00:37:15,233 I'm, like… 731 00:37:16,860 --> 00:37:20,071 It was August, and I just… I didn't give a fuck. 732 00:37:20,155 --> 00:37:21,823 I was, like, so tired. 733 00:37:21,906 --> 00:37:24,325 And I was… My head was down like this. 734 00:37:24,993 --> 00:37:27,912 And all of a sudden, somebody takes my… the back of my head 735 00:37:27,996 --> 00:37:30,373 and pushes my chair to where it slides back. 736 00:37:30,457 --> 00:37:34,627 Like, to the point where he fucking shoved my head between my legs to where it hurt. 737 00:37:34,711 --> 00:37:35,962 Like, it hurt. 738 00:37:36,045 --> 00:37:38,840 So, I was like, "Oh, someone's fighting me." I pushed him. 739 00:37:38,923 --> 00:37:40,675 And I was like, "Oh, that's a staff." 740 00:37:40,759 --> 00:37:43,219 He threw me on the ground. Boom. 741 00:37:43,720 --> 00:37:44,888 Yeah, I'm sorry. 742 00:37:44,971 --> 00:37:46,514 - Yeah. - It's just… 743 00:37:51,686 --> 00:37:55,023 I was restrained. My shit was bleeding and everything. 744 00:37:55,106 --> 00:37:58,067 The nurse would come and check on me, like, "You need anything?" 745 00:37:58,151 --> 00:38:00,987 I said, "You got ibuprofen?" "No. I'm not giving that to you." 746 00:38:01,070 --> 00:38:02,822 And my shit's still bleeding like… 747 00:38:02,906 --> 00:38:06,367 I'm swollen, like, "All right. Cool." 748 00:38:06,993 --> 00:38:10,205 "Just leave me alone then and get the fuck out of this room." 749 00:38:11,915 --> 00:38:13,583 I'm still dealing with this. 750 00:38:13,667 --> 00:38:18,963 'Cause I spent every night of my life blacking out for, like, five years. 751 00:38:19,547 --> 00:38:21,299 Blacking out was the most important thing, 752 00:38:21,383 --> 00:38:23,551 so I didn't have to think about any of that. 753 00:38:23,635 --> 00:38:26,804 Like, the problems come back tenfold, you know? 754 00:38:26,888 --> 00:38:30,308 But I did everything I could to chase that shit away. 755 00:38:31,267 --> 00:38:34,187 Like, I don't wanna feel what I felt here. 756 00:38:34,270 --> 00:38:36,481 I don't even want to be here right now. 757 00:38:37,231 --> 00:38:38,274 But I'm here. 758 00:38:38,983 --> 00:38:41,694 I really don't want to be here right now, but I'm here. 759 00:38:42,278 --> 00:38:45,240 I'm fucking weirded out. I'm uncomfortable. 760 00:38:45,323 --> 00:38:47,492 - Yeah? - I'm shaking. Like… 761 00:38:49,285 --> 00:38:50,620 Fuck this place. 762 00:38:50,703 --> 00:38:52,038 Yeah, fuck this place. 763 00:38:52,122 --> 00:38:55,083 You know what, though? This time, you can leave. 764 00:38:55,166 --> 00:38:58,294 Yeah, I know. And, yo, that's such a dope feeling. 765 00:38:58,378 --> 00:39:01,005 That's such a dope feeling. 766 00:39:01,089 --> 00:39:03,466 - Thank you for that. - Uh-huh. 767 00:39:05,593 --> 00:39:06,803 Oh man. 768 00:39:06,886 --> 00:39:09,597 I, I, I… I didn't realize that. 769 00:39:09,681 --> 00:39:11,516 You can walk right out of here. 770 00:39:11,599 --> 00:39:13,685 Want to do it? Let's get the fuck out of here. 771 00:39:13,768 --> 00:39:15,728 - All right. - You did it, man! 772 00:39:17,188 --> 00:39:19,524 Unfortunately, there were no security cameras 773 00:39:19,607 --> 00:39:21,526 on the girls' side of the program. 774 00:39:21,609 --> 00:39:23,152 I really wish there were. 775 00:39:23,236 --> 00:39:25,738 The stuff that went on there was just as crazy. 776 00:39:26,322 --> 00:39:27,990 Here's another skirt. 777 00:39:28,074 --> 00:39:31,327 - Here's a ton of skirts, guys. - Oh, hell yeah. 778 00:39:32,954 --> 00:39:35,707 - Hold on one second. - There's a bunch of spare vests. 779 00:39:36,708 --> 00:39:39,544 Why do I-- Why am I willingly putting this back on again? 780 00:39:39,627 --> 00:39:41,421 - I don't know. - A mouse chewed this. 781 00:39:41,504 --> 00:39:43,506 Embrace the trauma. 782 00:39:44,466 --> 00:39:46,301 What we went through is horrible, 783 00:39:46,384 --> 00:39:49,971 but some of it is just so absurd, you can't help but laugh at it. 784 00:39:50,054 --> 00:39:52,306 It's a coping mechanism, I guess. 785 00:39:52,849 --> 00:39:54,392 Come to Ivy Ridge. 786 00:39:54,893 --> 00:39:56,561 We'll fix your troubled kid. 787 00:39:59,898 --> 00:40:02,316 Where's your vest? Did you get in trouble for that? 788 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,235 Oh my God, you're a slut! What is this? 789 00:40:05,028 --> 00:40:08,823 - I am, aren't I? - I love it. I want to do that. 790 00:40:09,866 --> 00:40:10,742 Just like a… 791 00:40:10,825 --> 00:40:14,996 At Ivy Ridge, I rebelled pretty much in any way I could, you know? 792 00:40:16,039 --> 00:40:19,167 The medication, I think, is the big one. 793 00:40:19,250 --> 00:40:21,711 They were making me, like, zombified. 794 00:40:22,211 --> 00:40:25,798 I don't feel good. And I was like, "I'm not taking these meds." 795 00:40:25,882 --> 00:40:28,593 And I just remember sitting behind Sissy's desk. 796 00:40:29,427 --> 00:40:31,554 They're like, "You're gonna take your meds." 797 00:40:31,637 --> 00:40:36,225 And Siss, um, got out of her chair and stood over me. 798 00:40:36,309 --> 00:40:40,229 She pushed me to the ground and then sat… 799 00:40:40,313 --> 00:40:42,231 like, sat down on my chest. 800 00:40:42,315 --> 00:40:44,359 Well over 100 pounds heavier than me. 801 00:40:44,442 --> 00:40:47,654 And she was, like, smiling like crazy. She, like, love-- 802 00:40:47,737 --> 00:40:50,073 She was like, "Ah!" She was like, "I'm gonna break Diana." 803 00:40:50,156 --> 00:40:51,157 "I'm gonna do it." 804 00:40:51,240 --> 00:40:53,743 Like, "I'm gonna be the one who gets these meds into her." 805 00:40:54,452 --> 00:40:57,914 So, they held my nose like this, 806 00:40:57,997 --> 00:41:00,375 and then had their hand over my mouth. 807 00:41:00,458 --> 00:41:03,085 So, either they're going like this or like this. 808 00:41:03,169 --> 00:41:06,631 And so, it was literally… I was grabbing for anything I could. 809 00:41:06,714 --> 00:41:09,384 I couldn't breathe. I was going like this. 810 00:41:09,467 --> 00:41:11,969 And then I started blacking out. 811 00:41:12,053 --> 00:41:15,515 So, I was going in and out of consciousness. 812 00:41:15,598 --> 00:41:18,601 So, they got the pills in somehow, and I took 'em. 813 00:41:18,685 --> 00:41:20,895 I fought for a pretty long time. 814 00:41:21,396 --> 00:41:25,066 But if I had continued to, because I was blacking out, 815 00:41:25,983 --> 00:41:29,445 I… I'm assuming I would have not been here today. 816 00:41:32,115 --> 00:41:34,993 We found multiple eyewitness statements , signed and dated, 817 00:41:35,076 --> 00:41:38,079 detailing the incident with Diana at Siss's desk, 818 00:41:38,162 --> 00:41:41,457 and hundreds of other abusive incidents that took place at Ivy Ridge. 819 00:41:42,750 --> 00:41:46,504 But, unfortunately, there was some abuse that was never documented. 820 00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:49,507 Multiple girls have come forward 821 00:41:49,590 --> 00:41:52,218 to tell me about sexual abuse by a staff member. 822 00:41:53,136 --> 00:41:55,805 Other staff members corroborated this as well. 823 00:41:56,389 --> 00:41:59,267 It seems to have been an open secret at Ivy Ridge. 824 00:41:59,350 --> 00:42:03,396 But since no reports were ever filed, I'm not allowed to name them. 825 00:42:04,564 --> 00:42:07,358 This is not only an adult, 826 00:42:07,441 --> 00:42:10,862 but an adult in a position of power over these kids 827 00:42:10,945 --> 00:42:12,613 who could affect everything. 828 00:42:12,697 --> 00:42:14,991 Well, the way that she manipulated the girls 829 00:42:15,074 --> 00:42:18,703 into wanting the attention in the first place was really fucked up. 830 00:42:18,786 --> 00:42:20,872 - Yeah. - I mean, it was very strategic. 831 00:42:20,955 --> 00:42:22,582 It was really strategic. 832 00:42:23,333 --> 00:42:24,834 Um… 833 00:42:25,751 --> 00:42:28,880 - Like, how? - Well, like, basically, um… 834 00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:35,386 Once she had her sights on somebody, it was a lot of love bombing first. 835 00:42:35,470 --> 00:42:37,889 - Yeah. - You know? So with me, in particular, 836 00:42:37,972 --> 00:42:40,892 it was like there was so much attention paid on me, 837 00:42:40,975 --> 00:42:44,145 and I was eating it up, just being so starved for love. 838 00:42:44,228 --> 00:42:47,273 And then, like, things started getting very weird. 839 00:42:47,356 --> 00:42:50,485 Um, so, at first, it started with, like, touching. 840 00:42:50,568 --> 00:42:53,029 And, like, nonsexual touch. Very platonic, but… 841 00:42:53,112 --> 00:42:54,572 And, again, in this, like… 842 00:42:54,656 --> 00:42:58,326 this very, like, caring way, you know? 843 00:42:58,409 --> 00:43:01,496 Where it'd be, if I'm crying, it's something where it's touching. 844 00:43:01,579 --> 00:43:04,666 Then it would turn into things like this. You know? Or it would… 845 00:43:04,749 --> 00:43:06,709 - But it feels like a mom. - Yeah. 846 00:43:06,792 --> 00:43:10,421 And then, um, what happened, or what kind of happened after that is, 847 00:43:10,505 --> 00:43:11,547 you get that love, 848 00:43:11,631 --> 00:43:13,675 and you get that adoration from this person, 849 00:43:13,758 --> 00:43:16,928 and then all of a sudden, you're shunned, completely shunned. 850 00:43:17,428 --> 00:43:20,890 And then you see her do that to other people. Sorry. 851 00:43:20,973 --> 00:43:22,600 But you see her do that to other people. 852 00:43:22,683 --> 00:43:26,479 So you're like, "What did I do wrong?" Like, "How did I fuck up?" You know? 853 00:43:26,562 --> 00:43:28,689 "I was just starting to be loved by this person, 854 00:43:28,773 --> 00:43:30,691 and now they're looking at somebody else." 855 00:43:30,775 --> 00:43:33,736 Then the next time she calls you in and wants to take it a step further, 856 00:43:33,820 --> 00:43:36,864 you're like, "Please. Please!" Like, "Please touch me." 857 00:43:36,948 --> 00:43:40,159 You know? Like, "Please show me this love and affection 'cause…" 858 00:43:40,242 --> 00:43:41,994 "…I don't have it." 859 00:43:42,912 --> 00:43:45,957 You know, you can't even smile at another human being, 860 00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,876 and now you have somebody who is, like, 861 00:43:49,710 --> 00:43:55,174 pouring so much, like, predatory love and affection on you. 862 00:43:55,258 --> 00:43:57,093 But the only thing you're able to receive 863 00:43:57,176 --> 00:43:59,637 or the only thing you're able to feel is, like, "I matter." 864 00:44:00,304 --> 00:44:02,098 Like, "I matter to somebody." 865 00:44:03,766 --> 00:44:05,476 And it was not innocent. 866 00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:06,602 Um… 867 00:44:07,353 --> 00:44:10,982 Like, the first time that I was in the bed with her, I, uh… 868 00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,486 Like, to be honest, I can, like, still feel… 869 00:44:20,366 --> 00:44:22,201 Sorry. 870 00:44:29,500 --> 00:44:32,295 I can still feel her, like, breathing on my neck. 871 00:44:33,045 --> 00:44:36,132 I can, like, still smell what she smells like. 872 00:44:36,674 --> 00:44:39,218 And then I remember pretending to be asleep. 873 00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:43,431 Literally just pretending to be asleep. Like, "Please don't. Please don't." 874 00:44:43,514 --> 00:44:45,183 Um… 875 00:44:51,022 --> 00:44:52,064 Oh fuck. 876 00:44:53,566 --> 00:44:54,734 Yeah, so, um… 877 00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,530 There was multiple times that it happened. 878 00:44:59,614 --> 00:45:01,198 Multiple times. 879 00:45:01,907 --> 00:45:03,409 She's a fucking pedophile. 880 00:45:03,909 --> 00:45:07,997 She ruined my life in so many ways. 881 00:45:15,671 --> 00:45:19,258 Any institution where there is unchecked power 882 00:45:19,342 --> 00:45:23,638 will tend towards corruption and abuse over time. 883 00:45:23,721 --> 00:45:29,477 And, unfortunately, if you're a pedophile, these places are like heaven 884 00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:33,731 because you can abuse kids as much as you like 885 00:45:33,814 --> 00:45:35,441 in public, 886 00:45:35,524 --> 00:45:39,028 without any repercussions, because, "Oh, those kids are liars." 887 00:45:39,111 --> 00:45:42,031 "They're manipulators." You know, "You can't believe them." 888 00:45:43,073 --> 00:45:45,701 When I was researching this, it was just, like, painful 889 00:45:45,785 --> 00:45:50,289 because so many people had just never been believed before. 890 00:45:50,373 --> 00:45:54,668 And the kids are alienated because they were abused, 891 00:45:54,752 --> 00:45:56,754 and their parents don't believe they were abused. 892 00:45:56,837 --> 00:46:01,676 And if you're not believed, it's really, really difficult to recover. 893 00:46:03,135 --> 00:46:05,596 I think for years and years you tell yourself, 894 00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:09,350 "Maybe it wasn't that bad," or, "Maybe it wasn't wrong." 895 00:46:09,433 --> 00:46:11,144 And when you reconnect with people, 896 00:46:11,227 --> 00:46:16,148 and you see just how fucked up everybody got for the same reasons, 897 00:46:16,232 --> 00:46:18,401 that's when you're like, "Wow, that… That was real." 898 00:46:18,484 --> 00:46:20,152 - Yeah. - "That really was bad." 899 00:46:20,236 --> 00:46:23,572 Or, "That was illegal." Or, "That was rape." Um… 900 00:46:25,491 --> 00:46:26,325 Yeah. 901 00:46:26,409 --> 00:46:29,203 And then I numbed it with alcohol for years and years. 902 00:46:29,287 --> 00:46:31,247 But haven't we all, you know? 903 00:46:35,376 --> 00:46:37,503 - How do you open this? Is it twist-off? - Twisty. 904 00:46:37,586 --> 00:46:40,881 - Here we go. This is… - I was getting ready to get the… 905 00:46:42,133 --> 00:46:43,384 What if… 906 00:46:43,467 --> 00:46:46,929 You do the crime, you do the time. This is what got me in here. 907 00:46:47,012 --> 00:46:48,097 Mike's Hard Lemonade. 908 00:46:48,180 --> 00:46:53,519 Got expelled from the Stony Brook School with their zero-tolerance policy. 909 00:46:53,602 --> 00:46:56,730 -So I was incarcerated for 15 months. -Huh! 910 00:46:56,814 --> 00:46:59,525 - Mmm! Forgot to cheers. - To freedom. 911 00:46:59,608 --> 00:47:01,694 - To freedom! Cheers. - Cheers. 912 00:47:04,363 --> 00:47:05,364 Ah! 913 00:47:05,865 --> 00:47:06,991 Ooh! 914 00:47:07,074 --> 00:47:09,285 It was worth it. It tastes so good. 915 00:47:09,368 --> 00:47:12,079 This will be the darkest Mike's Hard Lemonade ad. 916 00:47:16,083 --> 00:47:23,049 I think the most difficult part of this for the kids is being entrapped. 917 00:47:23,132 --> 00:47:25,009 Basically, being imprisoned. 918 00:47:25,510 --> 00:47:28,095 We always thought about running away. 919 00:47:28,178 --> 00:47:30,431 Ivy Ridge, it's right on the St. Lawrence River, 920 00:47:30,514 --> 00:47:31,724 on the Canadian border. 921 00:47:31,807 --> 00:47:33,142 Our plan always was, 922 00:47:33,226 --> 00:47:36,646 "If we just swim across the river and get into Canada, we'll be safe." 923 00:47:36,729 --> 00:47:38,314 But they would tell us that, 924 00:47:38,397 --> 00:47:41,734 "Oh, if you ran, the neighbors were allowed to shoot you." 925 00:47:41,817 --> 00:47:44,153 I heard, "The current's too strong." 926 00:47:44,236 --> 00:47:46,697 - "You'll make it halfway and then drown." -Yeah. 927 00:47:47,907 --> 00:47:53,704 All the windows here were covered with this mesh, metal grate. 928 00:47:53,788 --> 00:47:55,790 And there were motion sensors out there. 929 00:47:55,873 --> 00:47:58,876 So, you just… There's just no way you could run away. 930 00:47:58,959 --> 00:48:02,213 Even if you did manage to get out of the building 931 00:48:02,296 --> 00:48:08,344 and run off into those woods, it's just miles and miles of nothing, 932 00:48:08,427 --> 00:48:10,846 of marshland, of trees. 933 00:48:12,681 --> 00:48:14,517 I mean, imagine for a minute 934 00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:17,144 spending months and sometimes years like that. 935 00:48:17,228 --> 00:48:19,813 You cannot get out. You know you can't leave. 936 00:48:19,897 --> 00:48:23,484 And you're in this incredibly hostile environment. 937 00:48:23,567 --> 00:48:26,737 What does that do to you? What does that do to your psyche? 938 00:48:26,821 --> 00:48:30,032 You know, to your mental health, to your emotional health? 939 00:48:31,492 --> 00:48:35,329 "Dear family, I hate being in a program for the holidays." 940 00:48:35,413 --> 00:48:38,374 "The thing that upsets me the most is sitting here in Ogdensburg 941 00:48:38,457 --> 00:48:40,793 and wondering if my parents are even thinking about me." 942 00:48:40,876 --> 00:48:43,254 "If they even remember that I'm here 943 00:48:43,337 --> 00:48:45,840 or if they're having a better time without me there." 944 00:48:45,923 --> 00:48:48,634 "I hope you'll remember me this Christmas." 945 00:48:48,718 --> 00:48:50,719 "Tell me what I am still doing wrong." 946 00:48:50,803 --> 00:48:52,847 "Why am I not good enough to come home yet?" 947 00:48:54,348 --> 00:48:56,308 Oh, I remember every night. 948 00:48:56,392 --> 00:49:01,272 This was when I'd be like, "Well, I'm here another night, 949 00:49:02,106 --> 00:49:03,816 'cause my dad doesn't want me." 950 00:49:03,899 --> 00:49:06,235 "Well, he could come get me at any point, 951 00:49:06,318 --> 00:49:09,155 but I'm here 'cause he thinks I need to be here." 952 00:49:09,238 --> 00:49:13,033 And you had to have your eyes closed 'cause staff would come by and watch you. 953 00:49:13,117 --> 00:49:14,827 So, you'd just lay here like this. 954 00:49:15,411 --> 00:49:16,370 All the time. 955 00:49:16,453 --> 00:49:18,914 And then-- Until the super loud alarm comes on, 956 00:49:18,998 --> 00:49:21,667 and then up you go. And then it's another day in hell. 957 00:49:22,251 --> 00:49:23,168 Yeah. 958 00:49:24,169 --> 00:49:27,298 This mattress is probably gross, isn't it? 959 00:49:32,178 --> 00:49:36,432 ♪ Because a vision softly creeping… ♪ 960 00:49:36,515 --> 00:49:39,685 That is one of the worst parts of the psychological torture here, 961 00:49:39,769 --> 00:49:41,771 is you don't know when you're going home. 962 00:49:41,854 --> 00:49:45,107 So you kind of have this hope that you could be pulled out any minute. 963 00:49:45,191 --> 00:49:46,859 You're like, "My parents will miss me." 964 00:49:46,942 --> 00:49:49,236 "My parents will want me home for Christmas." 965 00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:51,363 "My parents will want me for summer vacation." 966 00:49:51,447 --> 00:49:52,656 "My parents will want me." 967 00:49:52,740 --> 00:49:55,826 And then you realize, "Oh, my parents don't want me." 968 00:49:58,370 --> 00:50:03,917 For them to be isolated like that, in captivity… 969 00:50:06,378 --> 00:50:09,465 and told that their parents put them there… 970 00:50:13,177 --> 00:50:16,430 and told that their parents don't care about them, 971 00:50:17,598 --> 00:50:21,310 it's really setting them up for some real disaster. 972 00:50:22,269 --> 00:50:24,855 You know, I want to use an expletive here. 973 00:50:24,938 --> 00:50:27,816 - Go ahead, please. - Probably. It's a mindfuck. 974 00:50:31,737 --> 00:50:33,030 Oh fuck. 975 00:50:33,113 --> 00:50:35,866 I thought Ivy Ridge was the only one of its kind. 976 00:50:36,367 --> 00:50:39,662 But one day, a bunch of new kids started showing up. 977 00:50:39,745 --> 00:50:41,747 We were told they're from our sister school, 978 00:50:41,831 --> 00:50:43,707 Casa by the Sea in Mexico. 979 00:50:44,333 --> 00:50:47,044 This was the first I heard that we had a sister school. 980 00:50:47,544 --> 00:50:49,713 "There are more of these places? What the fuck?" 981 00:50:49,797 --> 00:50:50,798 Nikki! 982 00:50:51,882 --> 00:50:53,092 - It's yours. - What? 983 00:50:53,175 --> 00:50:55,052 - What? - Your poem. 984 00:50:56,095 --> 00:50:57,096 Oh my God. 985 00:50:57,972 --> 00:50:58,973 Oh… 986 00:50:59,473 --> 00:51:04,478 When I was 17, I was in the psych hospital. 987 00:51:04,562 --> 00:51:08,482 And my stepmom and my grandparents come to visit me, 988 00:51:08,565 --> 00:51:11,443 and they hand me this brochure of Casa by the Sea. 989 00:51:12,903 --> 00:51:17,074 And it's all this fun stuff of riding horseback on the beach 990 00:51:17,157 --> 00:51:19,868 and doing all these fun activities. 991 00:51:19,952 --> 00:51:22,580 So, I was like, "All right, I need help." 992 00:51:22,663 --> 00:51:27,084 My thought process was, um, you know… I've been addicted to heroin. 993 00:51:27,167 --> 00:51:29,878 I've been addicted to pretty much everything. 994 00:51:29,962 --> 00:51:32,798 I've tried to kill myself multiple times. 995 00:51:32,881 --> 00:51:34,884 Now, I needed help. 996 00:51:34,967 --> 00:51:37,219 Were they able to help you with this issue? 997 00:51:41,098 --> 00:51:42,266 No. 998 00:51:44,310 --> 00:51:46,437 I got a phone call from a parent 999 00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:48,981 for a child I'd been working with for about a year 1000 00:51:49,064 --> 00:51:51,692 in twice-a-week psychoanalytic psychotherapy. 1001 00:51:52,401 --> 00:51:54,153 The parent told me that they decided 1002 00:51:54,236 --> 00:51:57,198 they were going to send this child to a therapeutic boarding school. 1003 00:51:57,281 --> 00:52:00,659 And what I learned was that they would not be involved at all, 1004 00:52:00,743 --> 00:52:05,914 that the child had to earn the right to talk with them, 1005 00:52:06,415 --> 00:52:08,542 which raised a lot of red flags for me. 1006 00:52:09,126 --> 00:52:14,006 So, that caused me to begin to look into this place called Casa by the Sea 1007 00:52:14,089 --> 00:52:16,133 in Ensenada, Mexico. 1008 00:52:16,217 --> 00:52:19,553 It's got a lovely name, but it's a horrible place. 1009 00:52:22,681 --> 00:52:26,018 When I was coming off of heroin, they just, um… 1010 00:52:26,518 --> 00:52:29,521 They stuck me into solitary, whatever. 1011 00:52:29,605 --> 00:52:33,108 And just, like, let me sit there and, like, detox from this. 1012 00:52:33,192 --> 00:52:36,111 And, like, I had myself… shit myself and, like… 1013 00:52:36,195 --> 00:52:38,656 Already, like, within the first few days, 1014 00:52:38,739 --> 00:52:41,366 the loss of dignity that you have… 1015 00:52:43,118 --> 00:52:48,290 I've been abandoned by my family and have been put into this place, 1016 00:52:48,374 --> 00:52:49,958 obviously, purposely. 1017 00:52:50,042 --> 00:52:53,462 Because they gave me this brochure 1018 00:52:53,545 --> 00:52:55,798 that said I was gonna be okay. 1019 00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:02,721 And I needed help. 1020 00:53:04,890 --> 00:53:06,266 And instead… 1021 00:53:09,812 --> 00:53:11,855 One of the things about it is that I… 1022 00:53:11,939 --> 00:53:17,528 At the time I learned of this, I tried to alert every legislator I could 1023 00:53:17,611 --> 00:53:18,904 what this was. 1024 00:53:18,988 --> 00:53:21,156 And this was, at the time… 1025 00:53:21,240 --> 00:53:24,034 Casa by the Sea was shut down by the Mexican government. 1026 00:53:25,536 --> 00:53:28,914 Like, all these federales just come bustin' in 1027 00:53:29,915 --> 00:53:31,542 with their assault weapons. 1028 00:53:31,625 --> 00:53:35,379 And they ended up telling us that it was being shut down. 1029 00:53:35,462 --> 00:53:40,467 So a shit ton of us came to Ivy Ridge. 1030 00:53:40,968 --> 00:53:43,178 Apparently, Ivy Ridge was just one program 1031 00:53:43,262 --> 00:53:46,265 under an umbrella organization called WWASP, 1032 00:53:46,348 --> 00:53:49,643 the Worldwide Association of Specialty Programs. 1033 00:53:49,727 --> 00:53:51,395 So, when Casa was shut down, 1034 00:53:51,478 --> 00:53:54,606 WWASP offered to relocate the kids to other WWASP programs, 1035 00:53:54,690 --> 00:53:56,692 including Ivy Ridge. 1036 00:53:56,775 --> 00:54:01,947 These people had facility after facility after facility. 1037 00:54:02,031 --> 00:54:05,117 There was the one in Jamaica, Tranquility Bay facility. 1038 00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:07,244 There was one in Samoa. 1039 00:54:07,327 --> 00:54:10,205 There was one that was in the Czech Republic at one time. 1040 00:54:10,289 --> 00:54:11,957 There was the one in Mexico. 1041 00:54:12,041 --> 00:54:14,876 There was one in Costa Rica called Dundee Ranch 1042 00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:16,920 that was closed at one point. 1043 00:54:17,754 --> 00:54:21,175 Three countries, Mexico, Costa Rica, and the Czech Republic 1044 00:54:21,258 --> 00:54:25,888 have shut down WWASP operations, citing their repeated abuse of teenagers. 1045 00:54:26,930 --> 00:54:29,975 When the Casa kids arrived, we were overcrowded. 1046 00:54:30,058 --> 00:54:32,061 Six kids were crammed into each dorm room. 1047 00:54:32,144 --> 00:54:33,896 Since there were not enough bunk beds, 1048 00:54:33,979 --> 00:54:36,982 kids would sleep on mattresses on the floor and in the hallway. 1049 00:54:37,065 --> 00:54:38,942 Conditions were deplorable. 1050 00:54:39,526 --> 00:54:43,155 Foot fungus, pink eye, and viruses spread throughout the facility. 1051 00:54:43,238 --> 00:54:45,365 Medical neglect was rampant. 1052 00:54:45,449 --> 00:54:48,076 But there was nothing we could do to escape. 1053 00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:50,871 The things that would get you expelled at a normal school 1054 00:54:50,954 --> 00:54:52,748 would just get you sent to intervention. 1055 00:54:53,374 --> 00:54:54,541 We were trapped. 1056 00:54:55,500 --> 00:54:57,044 Something had to give. 1057 00:54:57,127 --> 00:54:59,755 But if Casa was able to get shut down, 1058 00:54:59,838 --> 00:55:02,591 maybe we could get Ivy Ridge shut down too. 1059 00:55:08,388 --> 00:55:10,599 It was the boys' side that planned the riot. 1060 00:55:10,682 --> 00:55:14,812 We were just talkin' about a riot, and it actually ended up happening. 1061 00:55:14,895 --> 00:55:19,232 ♪ Little boy The world just wants to trick you… ♪ 1062 00:55:19,316 --> 00:55:22,486 The goal with the riot was to get everybody home. 1063 00:55:24,446 --> 00:55:26,365 It was to shut this motherfucker down. 1064 00:55:26,448 --> 00:55:29,159 ♪ Don't you know That pain can make you stronger? ♪ 1065 00:55:29,743 --> 00:55:32,162 - Now, this is where it starts. You ready? - Yeah. 1066 00:55:32,246 --> 00:55:35,874 ♪ You don't have to buy into their lies… ♪ 1067 00:55:35,958 --> 00:55:37,751 Riot! 1068 00:55:39,086 --> 00:55:42,923 This is upstairs in the beginning, when he's yelling, "Riot, riot, riot!" 1069 00:55:43,006 --> 00:55:45,843 - Yeah. Wow. - He's on the phone, bam! 1070 00:55:45,926 --> 00:55:49,388 So that one staff ran down 'cause there is altercation. 1071 00:55:50,180 --> 00:55:53,267 But as soon as that happened, I pulled this fire alarm. 1072 00:55:54,101 --> 00:55:58,480 And the second I pulled it, I can hear the doors downstairs unlocking. 1073 00:55:59,648 --> 00:56:01,733 The alarm is going off. 1074 00:56:01,817 --> 00:56:03,235 You saw the bright flash. 1075 00:56:03,318 --> 00:56:06,989 So, the sound in there right now is the alarm we all know. It's deafening. 1076 00:56:09,324 --> 00:56:11,869 So, I had a wooden bed, 1077 00:56:11,952 --> 00:56:15,789 where I kicked the fuckin', uh, piece of wood underneath. 1078 00:56:15,872 --> 00:56:16,999 And I pulled it out. 1079 00:56:18,375 --> 00:56:20,836 And I came out here and I just started poppin' light bulbs. 1080 00:56:20,919 --> 00:56:23,672 Like, these were all light bulbs. And I just, "Pam!" 1081 00:56:23,755 --> 00:56:26,633 And I just popped it. Popped it. 1082 00:56:27,217 --> 00:56:29,845 I started hearing the windows breaking, left and right. 1083 00:56:31,847 --> 00:56:33,891 And I just remember going, like, 1084 00:56:33,974 --> 00:56:37,144 "Come on, come on, come on! Let's go! Let's go!" 1085 00:56:37,227 --> 00:56:38,979 Like, "Get up! Let's go! Let's go!" 1086 00:56:39,062 --> 00:56:41,565 I remember someone wrappin' a T-shirt around their face, 1087 00:56:41,648 --> 00:56:43,191 like, "We're gonna do this!" 1088 00:56:46,778 --> 00:56:48,363 That is Quintin, I believe. 1089 00:56:48,447 --> 00:56:50,574 - Shut up. - What? That's Quintin! 1090 00:56:50,657 --> 00:56:53,035 - That totally is Quintin. - That very well could be. 1091 00:56:53,118 --> 00:56:56,538 It took one staff to kind of hold us back for the longest time. 1092 00:56:57,706 --> 00:56:59,374 But then we realized… 1093 00:57:01,043 --> 00:57:02,210 there's numbers. 1094 00:57:03,837 --> 00:57:05,464 And somebody pushed through. 1095 00:57:05,547 --> 00:57:08,091 And I don't know who went through, but once that happened, 1096 00:57:08,175 --> 00:57:10,802 the whole hallway went downstairs. 1097 00:57:13,931 --> 00:57:16,808 I saw the overpowering of the staff and the doors open. 1098 00:57:16,892 --> 00:57:18,310 I'm watching the runners. 1099 00:57:18,393 --> 00:57:19,561 It just got a lot darker 1100 00:57:19,645 --> 00:57:21,730 and a lot more screaming, a lot more chanting. 1101 00:57:21,813 --> 00:57:24,316 - What was the chanting? - Um… 1102 00:57:24,399 --> 00:57:30,822 "Fuck Ivy Ridge! Fuck Ivy Ridge! Fuck Ivy Ridge!" 1103 00:57:31,656 --> 00:57:34,034 My homies and myself have planned this riot, 1104 00:57:34,117 --> 00:57:35,828 so we had ideas. 1105 00:57:36,620 --> 00:57:39,831 I figured if we destroyed all the computers and everything, 1106 00:57:39,915 --> 00:57:41,166 it would be done. 1107 00:57:41,750 --> 00:57:45,963 So, the original plan was to go down there and fuck shit up. 1108 00:57:46,630 --> 00:57:48,757 But everybody beelined through here. 1109 00:57:49,424 --> 00:57:50,717 Why'd they do that? 1110 00:57:51,260 --> 00:57:52,761 Because they were hungry. 1111 00:57:54,012 --> 00:57:56,974 Everybody's ripping pots and pans off this shit, 1112 00:57:57,057 --> 00:57:59,142 just trashing the kitchen. 1113 00:57:59,226 --> 00:58:03,480 I'm like, "Let's go, let's go, let's go!" And there's nobody behind me. 1114 00:58:03,563 --> 00:58:05,065 'Cause they're all in the kitchen. 1115 00:58:05,691 --> 00:58:08,986 And then we all get put into the gymnasium. 1116 00:58:09,069 --> 00:58:10,570 - The gym? - Yeah. 1117 00:58:10,654 --> 00:58:12,948 Man, it's so cool to know what was going on. 1118 00:58:13,031 --> 00:58:14,991 I mean, I was in the dorms the whole time. 1119 00:58:15,075 --> 00:58:17,118 We heard the alarms go off. 1120 00:58:17,202 --> 00:58:19,162 We weren't sure what was going on, you know? 1121 00:58:19,246 --> 00:58:22,583 They weren't like, "There's a riot." Otherwise, we'd join in. 1122 00:58:24,125 --> 00:58:26,878 But, yeah, they tried to villainize to make us scared of you guys, 1123 00:58:26,962 --> 00:58:27,963 so we wouldn't join in. 1124 00:58:28,046 --> 00:58:31,258 ♪ Can't you hear The whispers in the hall? ♪ 1125 00:58:31,341 --> 00:58:32,843 So, they take us into here, right? 1126 00:58:32,926 --> 00:58:34,928 My boy was like, "Should I turn the lights out?" 1127 00:58:35,011 --> 00:58:39,266 I said, "Do it." He turns the lights out, and it's a full-on riot after that. 1128 00:58:40,809 --> 00:58:43,228 It's like a pitch-black mosh pit. 1129 00:58:43,729 --> 00:58:46,773 I just remember hittin' people. Like, hittin' people. 1130 00:58:46,857 --> 00:58:49,109 It's like, you remember tears and the chanting. 1131 00:58:49,192 --> 00:58:51,737 Just, "Fuck Ivy Ridge. Fuck Ivy Ridge!" 1132 00:58:51,820 --> 00:58:54,489 Fuck Ivy Ridge! Fuck Ivy Ridge! 1133 00:58:54,573 --> 00:58:57,117 You got the police and the fucking border patrol outside 1134 00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:59,119 and everybody ready to shut us down. 1135 00:58:59,202 --> 00:59:01,330 They threw a smoke bomb in here. 1136 00:59:01,413 --> 00:59:04,416 I remember that because that's when they started escorting us outside. 1137 00:59:05,167 --> 00:59:08,587 Students at the Academy at Ivy Ridge smashed windows 1138 00:59:08,670 --> 00:59:11,173 and attacked staff members on Monday evening. 1139 00:59:11,256 --> 00:59:14,843 About 30 of the school's 450 students fled the campus, 1140 00:59:14,926 --> 00:59:19,598 located in heavily-wooded land five miles west of Ogdensburg. 1141 00:59:19,681 --> 00:59:22,726 All the students were located and returned to the facility. 1142 00:59:22,809 --> 00:59:26,771 Twelve students were charged with rioting, assault, and disorderly conduct. 1143 00:59:26,855 --> 00:59:29,775 The teenage students are being held here in the county jail 1144 00:59:29,858 --> 00:59:33,695 on $5,000 cash bail and will face criminal charges. 1145 00:59:34,237 --> 00:59:36,573 Let's talk about when you got sent to jail. 1146 00:59:36,656 --> 00:59:39,493 How was jail in comparison to the program? 1147 00:59:41,620 --> 00:59:44,164 Like a five-star Hilton Hotel. 1148 00:59:45,457 --> 00:59:48,877 I loved jail. Jail was freedom to me. 1149 00:59:49,586 --> 00:59:53,840 Like, it was freedom compared to what we were going through here. 1150 00:59:55,217 --> 01:00:00,180 So the riot, you were hoping, would shut down Ivy Ridge. 1151 01:00:00,263 --> 01:00:01,264 Yes. 1152 01:00:02,766 --> 01:00:04,643 But I was wrong. 1153 01:00:04,726 --> 01:00:06,353 Spokesman Tom Nichols says 1154 01:00:06,436 --> 01:00:08,355 the school will be reviewing the latest incident 1155 01:00:08,438 --> 01:00:11,691 and looking at procedures to prevent a similar occurrence in the future. 1156 01:00:12,985 --> 01:00:14,903 Since the riot didn't work, 1157 01:00:14,986 --> 01:00:17,906 our only other option was to complete the program. 1158 01:00:18,532 --> 01:00:19,741 Does this sound crazy to you? 1159 01:00:20,492 --> 01:00:22,411 I haven't even told you about the seminars yet. 1160 01:00:22,494 --> 01:00:26,164 Palms up, palms down, palms together, palms apart, palms up… 1161 01:00:26,248 --> 01:00:29,167 Seminars are the backbone of the whole program. 1162 01:00:30,460 --> 01:00:34,214 If you want to get the hell out of there, you have to "do the program." 1163 01:00:35,257 --> 01:00:39,344 It is behavior modification. It is literal brainwashing. 1164 01:00:39,844 --> 01:00:43,014 The people that the program most wants to influence is the parents, 1165 01:00:43,098 --> 01:00:44,182 not the kids. 1166 01:00:44,266 --> 01:00:46,685 And it was basically a cult. 1167 01:00:46,768 --> 01:00:49,729 Parents buy into it. They get duped into it. 1168 01:00:49,813 --> 01:00:51,398 "It's gonna change your life!" 1169 01:00:51,481 --> 01:00:53,566 It was the worst thing that happened to me. 1170 01:00:53,650 --> 01:00:57,404 What concerned me most about the program 1171 01:00:57,487 --> 01:01:00,365 wasn't the kids that got broken, it was the kids who were successful. 1172 01:01:00,448 --> 01:01:03,076 Palms up, palms down, palms together, palms apart. 99732

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