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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:27,720 A huge underground bunker became home to international criminal businesses. 4 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:31,476 Six hundred and fifty police officers were deployed, 5 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:33,200 including special tactical units. 6 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:40,556 Target 200 meters ahead. 7 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:44,000 The main suspect is a 59-year-old man from the Netherlands. 8 00:00:57,600 --> 00:00:59,040 Go, go, go. Team one advancing. 9 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:00,120 No one. 10 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:03,640 Advancing. 11 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:17,520 Team one has reached lower floor. 12 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:20,000 Team one, come in, please. 13 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:23,400 Radio connection is bad. 14 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:50,960 I am sure that people like me will have a big impact on the future internet. 15 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:02,760 The problem, however, is whether humanity is ready. 16 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:22,000 Do you want to make the world a better place? 17 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:23,080 Yes, of course. 18 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:27,040 Next question, please. 19 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:29,240 Do you see yourself as a criminal? 20 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:34,240 No, not really. 21 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:44,920 A data center exclusively for criminal businesses worth millions. 22 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:52,676 At the center of this thriller is a bunker that once belonged to the Bundeswehr. 23 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:55,636 In the middle of Germany, near Traben-Trarbach on the Moselle, 24 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:59,116 the cybercriminals operated their international business. 25 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:02,436 An extraordinary blow against cybercrime. 26 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:04,200 Drugs and forged documents. 27 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:57,400 I'm Michiel and I was the manager of Cyberbunker. 28 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:27,800 If I was to go back there now, 29 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:33,560 to right before the first visit to Traben-Trarbach, 30 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:37,560 then I would have said don't go there, because... 31 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:41,160 it can't end well. 32 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:14,000 Life in Traben-Trarbach is usually peaceful. 33 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:19,440 We don't have the hustle and bustle of a big city. 34 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:23,560 It's quite soothing for the soul. 35 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:28,520 But if I were to be asked about the bunker, 36 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:30,160 what it is, 37 00:05:30,280 --> 00:05:31,676 I would have just said, 38 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:34,920 "It's the worst thing that could possibly happen here." 39 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:45,800 The bunker everyone is talking about is located on a mountain. 40 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:52,200 You can see an antenna, a fence, and nothing else. 41 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:53,400 A green site. 42 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:01,520 From 2012, the bunker was empty. 43 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:03,840 And a buyer was then sought. 44 00:06:08,840 --> 00:06:13,000 Until the news came in 2013 it had been sold. 45 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:19,280 As a local journalist, of course you want to know. 46 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:25,596 Who's the buyer and what do they want to do with it? 47 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:27,120 I did some research 48 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:30,400 and it turned out that he was a somewhat dubious character in the online world. 49 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:36,200 The name I was given was Herman Johan Xennt. 50 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:41,360 There were many stories swirling around him. 51 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:46,880 He had very long, blond hair. He always wore a long coat. 52 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:50,040 But he showed up here as a businessman. 53 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:54,636 In 2013, during a regular city council meeting, 54 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:56,880 Xennt presented his project. 55 00:06:58,120 --> 00:06:59,996 He explained that he needed a bunker... 56 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:01,076 BUNKER FLOOR PLAN 57 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:02,920 ...that he was Dutch, and had done this before. 58 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:06,680 "We need the rooms for our employees, for the IT people." 59 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:08,560 "And it'll grow over time." 60 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:14,636 He then created what we now call a cloud, or a data center, there. 61 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:17,760 And at the time, of course, we thought it sounded exciting. 62 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:21,200 Silicon Valley, Traben-Trarbach, exactly. 63 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:23,160 Only smaller, why not? 64 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:25,276 PURCHASE CONTRACT 65 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:29,960 But there wasn't jubilation in the council that a buyer had been found. 66 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:33,880 As the city council, we couldn't prevent it anyway. 67 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:37,640 There were mixed feelings about it. 68 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:41,676 You just heard trucks going in and out at night. 69 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:44,560 He had to get his equipment into the bunker somehow, of course. 70 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:48,040 But initially it was sort of intangible. 71 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:52,200 There was also a bit of Googling done in city hall. 72 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:54,120 Who is this guy? Where did he come from? 73 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:56,996 And there was some information already out there. 74 00:07:57,080 --> 00:07:59,880 He already had skeletons in his closet. There was something there. 75 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:09,076 I'm Jörg Angerer, Senior Public Prosecutor, 76 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:11,160 and I worked on the Cyberbunker case. 77 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:16,316 In 2013, I was called by the Office of Criminal Investigation 78 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:19,796 who told me that Traben-Trarbach's municipal mayor 79 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:21,240 had got in touch to say 80 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:24,476 that someone wanted to move into a former NATO bunker 81 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:25,800 that was being sold, 82 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:31,956 and that he had already been involved in shady business in Holland. 83 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:33,360 That was the initial tip. 84 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:37,956 I'm Tim Henkel. 85 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:41,080 I'm a cybercrime investigator for Rhineland-Pfalz Criminal Police. 86 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:46,040 I'd just completed training and was taking my first steps as a police officer. 87 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:49,800 It all started in 2013. 88 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:54,356 My supervisor back then informed me that there was a case there 89 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:57,516 and asked me if I'd be interested in taking part in this operation, 90 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:01,080 which I thought was extremely exciting and I was very excited, of course. 91 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:05,800 We first conducted online investigations into this Dutchman, 92 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:07,280 into his past, 93 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:12,000 and first did some research into who we were dealing with. 94 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:25,720 Well, this is the bunker. 95 00:10:31,560 --> 00:10:33,000 If you come in with me quickly, 96 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:37,240 then I can also show you the inside. 97 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:56,520 So, this is the rear entrance. 98 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:59,960 You can see the spacious entrance with two diesel air vent filters. 99 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:20,840 He had this fascination for bunkers. 100 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:25,036 So, I think if this videotape continues as it is, 101 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:28,600 bad bits like this shot will be cut out. 102 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:31,436 We'll only keep the good bits and then you'll see 103 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:35,680 the progress of the renovation of a bunker, a small nuclear bunker 104 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,280 into a bunker with a... 105 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:41,520 classy appearance, 106 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:46,720 which makes you think you're in a space station or something. 107 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:49,800 So, there you have it. 108 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:52,680 You're welcome to keep looking around. 109 00:13:57,360 --> 00:13:59,800 See, there it is, and it works too. Follow me. 110 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:17,836 We believed that Xennt fled the Netherlands 111 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:20,476 to evade the threat of prosecution there. 112 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:22,196 At that time it was clear to us 113 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:25,360 he was doing the same thing here as he'd done in the Netherlands. 114 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:27,080 That was the start of our investigation. 115 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:34,040 At the start we used classic observation in order to gain insights. 116 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:39,800 I don't believe that the group were explicitly aware 117 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:42,040 that investigations against them were underway. 118 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:57,640 I'm just trying to think of the best adjective to describe it. 119 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:03,480 The observation at the bunker site was not successful. 120 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:09,440 We were not sure exactly what was in the bunker. 121 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:12,960 The facility is huge and we couldn't get to it. 122 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:54,360 The people who came to Cyberbunker 123 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:57,000 were searching for something. 124 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:39,080 There was a sort of world there, that you could only imagine 125 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:43,836 if you let your imagination run wild and read about something like it. 126 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:45,480 But it was there, it was real. 127 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:54,356 Xennt gave you a sense that something special was being built there. 128 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:58,920 He had this aura of a visionary, his ideas were good. 129 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:04,920 He wanted to start a software development center. 130 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:09,236 This is a huge project going on here. 131 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:10,840 It's really big. 132 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:14,280 A bit like a mini Silicon Valley. 133 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:17,280 You feel like you're locked in. 134 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,680 That's when you experience this silence. 135 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:29,440 And then you immediately also realize that true silence doesn't exist. 136 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:34,360 Because you hear your blood rushing. 137 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,840 You felt very secure there, very comfortable. 138 00:23:55,600 --> 00:24:01,240 Work was good, living was good, I felt very at home. 139 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:22,920 Most of the time everything was relaxed, there was laughter, joking around. 140 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:49,236 It was as though everyone had their own vision, their own idea, 141 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,480 and then joined together. 142 00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:00,400 Mr. Xennt had an appointment and came into the salon. 143 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,880 He looked very fresh, very young. 144 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:08,640 He looked good. 145 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,200 Maybe it was his leather coat but I thought... 146 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:15,040 he's from another planet. 147 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:16,560 He's different. 148 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:23,440 Then he chose a very light blond, a cool blond, 149 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:25,120 and that's what he got. 150 00:26:27,360 --> 00:26:30,400 He was silent and stared at the floor. 151 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:35,400 And I felt that it was a negative silence and was actually very happy 152 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,400 when this gentleman left. 153 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:47,040 The bunker crew, sometimes it felt as if a pirate ship was docking here, 154 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:52,160 the whole pirate crew ran through the village, amusing themselves, 155 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,880 then were suddenly gone again and casted off. 156 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:00,160 You just wondered, 157 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:02,440 what's going on up there? 158 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,360 You didn't know who was up there. What is he actually doing? 159 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,760 You didn't hear or see anything, or know what was going on. 160 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:37,800 But there were rumors. 161 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,800 Maybe he's growing some kind of drugs up there? 162 00:27:51,360 --> 00:27:53,800 The other thing was his dogs, 163 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:58,200 which ran free all day long and annoyed the community. 164 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:02,916 That was the final straw for me, 165 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,280 so I said no matter what, I'm calling Mr. Xennt. 166 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,440 He was surprised, but he said, "No problem, come on over." 167 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,556 He said, "Give me 15 minutes to rein the dogs in, 168 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,880 but then come on over. No problem." 169 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,520 That was a positive starting point. 170 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:32,880 We went up there. 171 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:34,916 Mr. Xennt greeted us quite normally, 172 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:36,876 the atmosphere was very open. 173 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,200 Then he told us who he is, what he does. 174 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,880 We said you can look around anywhere you want. 175 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:45,880 Everything was open. 176 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,796 Then we just went down level by level, 177 00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,480 and he said, "Open every door, I have nothing to hide." 178 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:14,476 I was relieved that the premises weren't being used for anything suspicious 179 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,720 and that we didn't find a hemp plantation. 180 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,640 And suddenly you came into a room that was really black. 181 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:37,600 Very cold, very austere. 182 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,720 It was definitely a bit strange. 183 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:46,480 What struck you immediately was that there were no windows, of course. 184 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,200 You're practically floating in time and space. 185 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:56,040 It was a very different atmosphere in there. 186 00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,240 Yeah, very unusual for me. 187 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:10,600 Of course, it wouldn't have helped if we'd rung Cyberbunker's doorbell and asked, 188 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,080 "Mr. Xennt, can you show us what's here and what you're up to?" 189 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,600 That is where protecting the case comes first and takes priority. 190 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,520 For us, it was very important to stay out of sight 191 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,720 and ensure they didn't realize we were conducting an investigation. 192 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,800 Telephone surveillance is a very intensive measure. 193 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,960 You enter the other person's day-to-day life. 194 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,236 The group is very secretive, and of course, we had to find ways 195 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,960 to get information from the inner circle. 196 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,920 The Cyberbunker group spoke in a very coded way. 197 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:26,560 For example, "boxes of oranges" or various types of furniture. 198 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:30,680 It was colors of ships, it was suits of various changing colors. 199 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,000 So, when people make these kinds of phone calls, 200 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,560 it's clear something is up. That's not how people talk. 201 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:55,396 The codification of language and terminology 202 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,476 which was revealed through the telephone surveillance, 203 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:00,400 created big problems for us. 204 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:04,436 Ultimately, we couldn't identify crimes through telephone surveillance, 205 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,840 but the gang's structure became clear. 206 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:14,640 It started with the leadership team around Xennt and the manager Rugers. 207 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:20,920 Then there were IT workers who worked in the bunker. 208 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:25,360 There was a guard, who also cooked for the staff. 209 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:31,116 It was clear that Mr. Xennt gave orders and others did what he said, 210 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:36,000 but the role of the others wasn't 100% clear at the beginning. 211 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:42,960 However, for us, the key was the servers. 212 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:48,520 What is on these servers? 213 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,000 What data is going in and out of there? 214 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:15,640 With Cyberbunker, the advantage was that cybercriminals felt safe. 215 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:22,880 When you went onto Cyberbunker, it was pretty clear what it was for. 216 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:27,320 It had a picture of a bunker. 217 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:33,040 Which I assumed was total bull, if I'm honest, I didn't think it was real. 218 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:39,320 There was an FBI raid team on it, trying to get into that bunker. 219 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:47,840 Cyberbunker was known in the scene as a so-called "bulletproof hoster." 220 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:50,836 Bulletproof hosting, 221 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,800 that means, no matter what happens, the servers stay online. 222 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,640 Cyberbunker was really the place to go 223 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,280 for anyone in the scene 224 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,680 who wanted to host questionable or illegal content. 225 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:26,396 The bunker specifically advertised that it hosts everything, 226 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,000 except child pornography and terrorism. 227 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,560 This made you think, whoever advertises in that way 228 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:36,680 isn't looking for legal customers. 229 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:47,400 Xennt always said we're doing nothing wrong, everything is legal. 230 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:32,200 POLICE 231 00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:43,080 SPAM DISPUTE SLOWS THE INTERNET 232 00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,280 PIRATE PARTY 233 00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:37,116 Police in Barcelona have arrested a 35-year-old Dutch activist 234 00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:42,396 who was responsible for the largest DDoS cyberattack in history. 235 00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,400 The investigation started in March... 236 00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,716 We also then reached a point where we said, 237 00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:29,120 "Okay, how can we gather more intelligence now?" 238 00:43:31,720 --> 00:43:36,960 In 2017, we decided to carry out a so-called network node monitoring. 239 00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:45,800 This means we recorded the data center's incoming and outgoing data traffic. 240 00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:54,320 If crimes were committed there, they'd show up in the network traffic. 241 00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:58,876 The intention of the surveillance 242 00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,396 was to see what was being done in the bunker. 243 00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,520 What data was going in and out? What was illegal and what wasn't? 244 00:44:11,240 --> 00:44:15,520 We didn't expect the sheer quantity that we got from our surveillance. 245 00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,756 We established that on the Cyberbunker servers, 246 00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:40,400 phishing sites were hosted, 247 00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:43,920 large-scale hacker attacks were committed, 248 00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:46,080 narcotics stores were running. 249 00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:51,276 It was the first really effective investigation. 250 00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,480 We had clear results, clear sites. 251 00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:55,560 Really potent criminal sites. 252 00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:00,880 None of these criminals could operate their sites, 253 00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:05,080 if they didn't have a hoster to provide servers for them to do so. 254 00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:10,680 You have to realize that there are always real crimes behind it. 255 00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:16,880 We determined that, for example, Wall Street Market was hosted there, 256 00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:21,560 the largest darknet market at the time for drugs, weapons, other illegal goods. 257 00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:25,316 I'm Martin Frost. 258 00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:27,560 I was one of the operators of Wall Street Market. 259 00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:30,720 This marketplace was one of the largest in the world. 260 00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:36,680 In my opinion, Cyberbunker offered a very professional hosting service, 261 00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:41,960 to an extent, even better than what I see in the legal sphere. 262 00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:46,320 For us, that was pretty much the reason we went there and stayed. 263 00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,436 On Wall Street Market, you found pretty much anything. 264 00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:54,520 Starting with marijuana to MDMA, cocaine or heroin. 265 00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:59,316 The fact that you're far removed from all these events, 266 00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:02,356 from the production process, dealing and things on the streets, 267 00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,396 you're really far away from it. 268 00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:06,280 You're just sitting at your computer. 269 00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:10,400 At first you don't see organized crime, they operate in a different way. 270 00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:12,640 I do believe though that in recent years 271 00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:16,560 organized crime has also increasingly caught on. "Hey." 272 00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:21,240 "These are new distribution channels." And of course, they use them too. 273 00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:01,680 Then suddenly a whole new name appeared in the telephone surveillance. 274 00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:40,080 What's that, Mädchen? 275 00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:21,320 When a person like George Mitchell shows up in a preliminary investigation, 276 00:55:21,720 --> 00:55:26,360 someone with ties to the Irish mafia, who's also linked to homicides there, 277 00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:29,200 who is synonymous with major drugs and arms trafficking, 278 00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:32,120 that, of course, changes the dynamics of the case a lot. 279 00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:14,760 So, if we're talking about the drug section on Wall Street Market, 280 00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:19,000 there was everything that the market had to offer. 281 00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:26,160 From grass to MDMA, cocaine, and also, fentanyl, for example. 282 00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:27,436 The servers are secure. 283 00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:30,200 They have a "no matter what" service. 284 00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:34,440 I was never afraid the authorities would catch us. 285 00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:56,000 We were often contacted during the investigative process, 286 00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:58,880 including by internationally operating agencies in the USA. 287 00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:03,520 It certainly helps the investigation process 288 00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:05,236 when high-profile players, 289 00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:08,040 like Wall Street Market, are hosted in the data center. 290 00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:12,276 Our approach to the investigation process was to operate with lasting effect. 291 00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:17,000 That doesn't mean achieving quick success by shutting down some narcotics store, 292 00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:22,440 but to take this Cyberbunker offline permanently and to do it with evidence. 293 00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:27,920 But how do we gain access to these servers? 294 00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:30,400 How do we get into this bunker? 295 00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:49,360 On the Cyberbunker website, 296 00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:54,280 there was a special page, a volunteer program... 297 00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:59,880 ...where Cyberbunker was searching for people 298 01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:03,040 who would join the Cyberbunker team on a voluntary basis. 299 01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:06,840 We needed really good people. 300 01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:11,396 Someone responded to the ad. 301 01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:14,360 Harry was a really great guy. 302 01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:20,920 Young, really nice, spontaneous, friendly and decent too. 303 01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:22,920 He said he'd like... 304 01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:26,636 to do something, 305 01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:28,960 if possible, such as gardening. 306 01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:34,840 That was interesting to Xennt... 307 01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:36,960 ...because Harry didn't want to get paid. 308 01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:39,800 He just asked if he could sleep there. 309 01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:43,280 And for Xennt, that was ideal, of course. 310 01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:51,800 I think everyone liked him. 311 01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:57,240 So, you could almost call it friendship. 312 01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:19,600 He couldn't though. 313 01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:21,640 Not this pig anyway. 314 01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:37,160 I certainly think it's careless to openly post job ads 315 01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:38,760 for a criminal bunker. 316 01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:45,360 That's how we got a man into the compound itself. 317 01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:12,920 Of course, he has to generate empathy, he has to be able to build trust 318 01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:16,040 and that only works if he's approachable and he acts interested. 319 01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:10,680 It was always nice. 320 01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:15,520 Harry slowly became part of the family. 321 01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:25,320 The undercover investigator provided us with valuable information. 322 01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:26,796 For the first time, 323 01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:29,920 we were able to precisely identify who held which role in Cyberbunker. 324 01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:33,480 Who was in charge, what the dynamics were like. 325 01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:05,680 The majority of them also lived up there, 326 01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:09,676 were paid a very small salary, so were practically working for free, 327 01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:11,520 just for food and lodgings but... 328 01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:16,000 they were pretty much failed existences. 329 01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:19,116 Apart from the fact that we weren't paid, 330 01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:22,400 there was nothing to complain about, everything was great. 331 01:05:22,560 --> 01:05:27,400 It was really good. I felt at home there and safe, etc. 332 01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:29,320 Well, purposeful. 333 01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:52,760 Although we had already taken many steps, 334 01:05:53,240 --> 01:05:56,480 we had no one with eyes on the bunker itself. 335 01:05:57,360 --> 01:05:59,680 But we wanted to see behind this door. 336 01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:03,160 It would attract attention 337 01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:05,120 if the undercover agent went inside the bunker. 338 01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:08,440 That wouldn't fit his cover story as a gardener. 339 01:06:29,720 --> 01:06:31,680 It just so happened that we knew someone. 340 01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:37,840 The female undercover investigator's name was Julia. 341 01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:42,320 Part of the cover story was that Julia was Harry, the gardener's, girlfriend. 342 01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:47,840 I think we walked through the bunker once, 343 01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:52,240 and explained roughly what had to be done. 344 01:06:57,280 --> 01:07:01,000 She worked, was kind, friendly and warm. 345 01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:05,000 I can't remember anything negative about her whatsoever. 346 01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:12,680 I was somewhat skeptical and not really in favor of it at first. 347 01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:18,356 The dangers of sending a woman, alone into a hermetically sealed bunker facility 348 01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:21,640 that can't be accessed from outside, 349 01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:26,876 and in which active criminals live, are pretty obvious, I think. 350 01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:29,480 It's not something you're wild about doing. 351 01:07:41,080 --> 01:07:44,240 She was left to clean the offices unsupervised. 352 01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:51,596 Every floor, every room was accessible to her, unsupervised. 353 01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:53,520 She had a key for every room. 354 01:07:56,920 --> 01:08:01,880 It was strange, they basically didn't want any money at all. 355 01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:05,760 And then Xennt said, "Maybe they're actually just police." 356 01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:12,840 But it was implausible. 357 01:08:13,040 --> 01:08:14,840 Harry had been there such a long time already. 358 01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:17,680 And so it was. 359 01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:23,120 EMERGENCY EXIT 360 01:08:31,400 --> 01:08:32,720 There were hundreds of photos... 361 01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:37,840 of the bunker, from different rooms. 362 01:08:39,240 --> 01:08:41,920 Various lists of passwords were photographed. 363 01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:52,756 You could really see where people had their room, where the servers were, 364 01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:55,600 where other equipment was, how things were secured. 365 01:08:57,680 --> 01:08:59,640 We had the network node surveillance running, 366 01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:01,520 we had the undercover investigator. 367 01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:04,520 We could see inside the bunker. 368 01:09:05,480 --> 01:09:07,000 The last piece of the puzzle. 369 01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:12,436 We had enough 370 01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:14,760 to give us ideas about how to gain access. 371 01:11:41,800 --> 01:11:44,200 We had to make sure that, at the time of the arrest, 372 01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:47,720 there was no one in the actual bunker who could shut down the servers. 373 01:11:56,880 --> 01:12:00,520 That's why it was clear that the only option would be to use a ruse 374 01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:04,600 to lure the perpetrators out of the bunker and then arrest them outside the bunker. 375 01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:39,840 Harry called a restaurant and reserved a table for September 26th at 6 p.m. 376 01:12:41,240 --> 01:12:43,520 For us it was end day, of course. 377 01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:47,840 He really wanted everyone to come, I still remember that. 378 01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:52,120 You all have to come! You have to be there. He has to come too! 379 01:12:52,360 --> 01:12:55,880 He really did his best to get everyone to come. 380 01:13:07,040 --> 01:13:11,836 We talked to our undercover investigator, so that he made sure in advance... 381 01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:13,196 I'M IN THE CAR 382 01:13:13,280 --> 01:13:14,800 ...that everyone accepted the invitation. 383 01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:07,920 WHO IS THERE? 17:24 384 01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:15,120 EVERYONE 17:24 385 01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:24,520 POLICE 386 01:14:41,440 --> 01:14:44,560 - Police! Hands up! - Everyone, hands in the air! 387 01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:50,880 What the...? What's going on? What's going on here? 388 01:14:55,920 --> 01:14:59,596 Suddenly, there was a racket outside, there were helicopters flying around. 389 01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:04,160 Everyone was chatting on WhatsApp. Guys, what's going on in Trarbach? 390 01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:06,200 There was a flurry of activity. 391 01:15:06,360 --> 01:15:10,000 There was a massive police presence in the local pub. 392 01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:51,320 Night fell, everything was dark. 393 01:15:51,440 --> 01:15:55,080 You're moving through a terrain that you've never entered before. 394 01:16:08,320 --> 01:16:10,720 A bunker is always only secured from the inside. 395 01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:12,760 It makes sense. 396 01:16:12,880 --> 01:16:15,080 But this has the unfortunate side effect 397 01:16:15,240 --> 01:16:18,480 that if you leave the bunker and no one is inside, it can't be locked. 398 01:16:28,040 --> 01:16:29,320 And that's how it was here too. 399 01:16:30,680 --> 01:16:32,280 - A padlock? - A padlock, yes. 400 01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:36,120 And the special forces managed to open that? 401 01:16:36,240 --> 01:16:38,000 We'd have been able to open it. 402 01:16:38,160 --> 01:16:40,240 It's not that hard to crack a padlock. 403 01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:33,400 ACCESS FORBIDDEN 404 01:17:37,960 --> 01:17:40,040 There were a multitude of rooms, 405 01:17:40,440 --> 01:17:43,240 arranged in an angular fashion. It was pretty much a square. 406 01:17:51,920 --> 01:17:54,520 The units moved deeper and deeper into the bunker... 407 01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:04,680 and at some point, on the third level, ended up in the server room. 408 01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:17,000 You have a rough idea of what you think it will look like, 409 01:18:17,160 --> 01:18:19,960 but what we found on site definitely topped that. 410 01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:23,560 At first the amount of data was overwhelming. 411 01:18:26,480 --> 01:18:29,800 The server room was significantly larger than I expected it to be. 412 01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:47,880 There were also a few empty shelves, so it was obviously set up for growth. 413 01:18:50,720 --> 01:18:53,560 We could only shut down the servers 414 01:18:53,800 --> 01:18:56,120 once the data on them had been backed up. 415 01:18:56,640 --> 01:19:00,800 So, each server had to be backed up before it could be taken down. 416 01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:04,400 It's amazing, shutting down something like that. 417 01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:12,120 Then it was game over. 418 01:19:22,120 --> 01:19:24,396 If you take the servers away from the perpetrators, business is over. 419 01:19:24,480 --> 01:19:25,760 THIS SERVER HAS BEEN SEIZED 420 01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:30,080 The sites were down as soon as the bunker had been taken offline. 421 01:19:30,680 --> 01:19:32,876 In the fight against cybercrime, 422 01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:35,156 German investigators have dismantled a major data center 423 01:19:35,240 --> 01:19:37,396 for illegal business on the darknet for the first time. 424 01:19:37,480 --> 01:19:38,800 BLOW AGAINST CYBERCRIME 425 01:19:38,920 --> 01:19:40,716 After almost five years of research, 426 01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:44,000 the investigators achieved an extraordinary blow against cybercrime. 427 01:19:44,120 --> 01:19:45,240 27. SEPTEMBER 2019 TODAY 428 01:19:45,360 --> 01:19:48,040 All of this ran over 280 servers, 429 01:19:48,160 --> 01:19:49,636 with up to 200 customers on each. 430 01:19:49,720 --> 01:19:50,796 DARKNET DATACENTER TAKEN OFFLINE 431 01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:52,440 Through which, amongst other things, 432 01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:54,480 drugs and fake documents were distributed. 433 01:19:54,600 --> 01:19:55,600 IN THE BUNKER OF EVIL 434 01:19:55,760 --> 01:19:59,636 A total of 650 police officers were deployed. 435 01:19:59,720 --> 01:20:01,840 The evaluation of the seized data 436 01:20:01,960 --> 01:20:03,036 has only just begun. 437 01:20:03,120 --> 01:20:05,520 Our first impression is that the scope is enormous. 438 01:20:05,640 --> 01:20:07,160 POLICE PRESS CONFERENCE ON CYBER-CRIMINAL RING 439 01:20:07,320 --> 01:20:09,960 The bunker in Mont Royal, says one investigator, 440 01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:12,680 is a real goldmine for them. 441 01:20:13,800 --> 01:20:17,520 53% COMPLETE... 61% COMPLETE 442 01:20:17,640 --> 01:20:23,640 In total, two petabytes of data were secured, so two million gigabytes. 443 01:20:56,160 --> 01:20:57,520 I think the scene 444 01:20:57,920 --> 01:21:01,280 quite underestimated the authorities, and I did too. 445 01:21:06,680 --> 01:21:12,000 The Cyberbunker bust had an enormous impact on the darknet scene, 446 01:21:12,120 --> 01:21:14,316 on darknet drug trading overall. 447 01:21:14,400 --> 01:21:18,480 The volume of stuff circulating 448 01:21:18,600 --> 01:21:22,840 and the quantity of goods, which was just a number to me, 449 01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:25,836 were in reality actually drugs that end up somewhere, 450 01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:30,080 that are produced by people, people who suffer during the production process. 451 01:21:30,240 --> 01:21:32,040 Just the whole extent of it 452 01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:34,396 only hit me after the arrest, 453 01:21:34,480 --> 01:21:37,160 and not straight away, it took a while. 454 01:21:38,080 --> 01:21:39,280 I regret it all. 455 01:21:39,400 --> 01:21:40,280 FBI 456 01:21:42,160 --> 01:21:43,320 OPERATION DISRUPTOR, 2020 457 01:22:06,520 --> 01:22:10,680 2020 TRIER, GERMANY 458 01:22:10,840 --> 01:22:13,640 The trial was a challenge, of course. 459 01:22:15,480 --> 01:22:18,360 It was a wide-reaching charge, 460 01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:22,360 it was a technically complex subject. 461 01:22:22,520 --> 01:22:23,756 JÜRGEN BRAUER ATTORNEY GENERAL KOBLENZ 462 01:22:23,840 --> 01:22:25,240 You must first prove the crimes that have 463 01:22:25,360 --> 01:22:29,240 been committed from the computer center by other individuals, 464 01:22:29,440 --> 01:22:32,760 and then you have to prove that the operators of the data center 465 01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:35,280 were aware of, knew about, and encouraged these acts. 466 01:22:35,440 --> 01:22:36,600 SPECIAL VOLUMES IMPRISONMENT 467 01:22:36,720 --> 01:22:38,520 Herman X. and a few colleagues 468 01:22:38,680 --> 01:22:41,080 have now been declared a criminal organization. 469 01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:44,400 I was pretty sure there would be a conviction. 470 01:22:44,520 --> 01:22:47,876 I still consider the investigation to be watertight, 471 01:22:47,960 --> 01:22:50,200 and I also think the evidence is watertight. 472 01:22:50,360 --> 01:22:52,200 JUSTICE 473 01:22:52,400 --> 01:22:56,720 ENTRANCE "BUNKER - TRIAL" (PLEASE WAIT HERE) 474 01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:41,000 "Aiding and abetting some 250,000 crimes," the indictment reads. 475 01:23:47,680 --> 01:23:49,240 So, you just have to note... 476 01:23:49,360 --> 01:23:51,156 MICHAEL EICHIN MAIN DEFENDANT'S DEFENSE ATTORNEY 477 01:23:51,240 --> 01:23:53,040 ...Xennt didn't kill anyone, didn't rob a bank, 478 01:23:53,160 --> 01:23:54,996 didn't steal an old granny's purse. 479 01:23:55,080 --> 01:23:57,640 He supplied a server, or rather multiple servers. 480 01:23:57,760 --> 01:24:00,640 That's what he's accused of, running a data center. 481 01:24:00,840 --> 01:24:05,680 As such, he therefore remains convinced that he's done nothing illegal. 482 01:24:05,880 --> 01:24:09,360 This being seen differently legally, is just the way the law works. 483 01:24:09,480 --> 01:24:13,560 However, in terms of evidence, the case was completely well-rounded. 484 01:24:13,680 --> 01:24:16,196 Nevertheless, the Cyberbunker operators deny 485 01:24:16,280 --> 01:24:19,840 knowing about their customers' illegal darknet activities. 486 01:24:55,160 --> 01:24:59,120 Senior public prosecutor Angerer spent nearly five years on the investigation. 487 01:24:59,400 --> 01:25:04,600 Can he really prove the defendants knew what criminal services were operating? 488 01:25:05,080 --> 01:25:07,320 Once, at the beginning of a trial day, 489 01:25:07,440 --> 01:25:10,116 Xennt turned around to the other defendants 490 01:25:10,200 --> 01:25:12,640 and held his finger up to his lips. 491 01:25:12,840 --> 01:25:15,400 Probably to order silence. 492 01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:18,840 DARKNET BUNKER: DEFENDANTS REMAIN SILENT 493 01:25:19,000 --> 01:25:20,000 It astonished me 494 01:25:20,160 --> 01:25:22,560 that they didn't testify at all and preferred to sit in jail. 495 01:25:32,280 --> 01:25:36,640 I decided to testify shortly after I was arrested. 496 01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:46,640 I think that Xennt should have stood up, 497 01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:48,600 he should have explained 498 01:25:48,800 --> 01:25:50,360 what was going on there. 499 01:25:55,120 --> 01:25:58,680 That's why I made these notes, 500 01:25:58,920 --> 01:26:02,000 just writing down everything I could remember. 501 01:26:04,560 --> 01:26:09,160 My whole testimony took six days of hearings. 502 01:26:11,120 --> 01:26:16,120 And I assumed, well, I knew nothing about any of it, 503 01:26:17,360 --> 01:26:20,480 so I can't get imprisoned for that, it will probably turn out okay. 504 01:26:20,640 --> 01:26:25,240 MANAGER CLAIMS TO NEVER HAVE SEEN DRUG TRAFFICKING CHARGES 505 01:26:25,360 --> 01:26:28,240 Mr. Rugers, and this was shown in our interrogations, 506 01:26:28,360 --> 01:26:32,440 plays down his role in this entire set of offenses as being insignificant. 507 01:26:33,600 --> 01:26:36,880 I don't know how Xennt managed to get these people. 508 01:26:37,000 --> 01:26:40,560 He obviously has some charisma, people follow him. 509 01:26:41,800 --> 01:26:45,240 Rugers defended him to the end, even in the main trial. 510 01:26:45,360 --> 01:26:49,720 He acknowledged the offenses, but always claimed that Xennt is actually a good guy. 511 01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:51,680 That contradicts itself, that doesn't make sense at all. 512 01:26:51,840 --> 01:26:55,760 Xennt always told me everything, but the fact he was sending messages 513 01:26:55,880 --> 01:27:01,436 saying that it's okay for marijuana to be sold through the servers, 514 01:27:01,520 --> 01:27:03,600 he never ever told me that. 515 01:27:03,720 --> 01:27:06,000 So, he apparently left things out 516 01:27:06,160 --> 01:27:10,960 and that's why he could rely on my involvement. 517 01:27:11,560 --> 01:27:12,560 For five years. 518 01:27:13,920 --> 01:27:16,316 I can't believe that the second in command 519 01:27:16,400 --> 01:27:18,036 in the Cyberbunker hierarchy, 520 01:27:18,120 --> 01:27:20,000 actually, didn't know what was going on. 521 01:27:20,120 --> 01:27:21,360 I just can't accept that. 522 01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:26,956 In the trial against the operators of the so-called Cyberbunker 523 01:27:27,040 --> 01:27:29,720 in Traben-Trarbach, Rhineland-Palatinate, 524 01:27:29,840 --> 01:27:31,320 a verdict has now been reached. 525 01:27:31,680 --> 01:27:36,480 The defendants were convicted of forming a criminal organization, 526 01:27:36,600 --> 01:27:40,440 but not for aiding and abetting the internet crimes of their customers. 527 01:27:41,240 --> 01:27:43,760 The Dutch citizen and seven co-defendants 528 01:27:43,880 --> 01:27:47,240 will receive prison sentences of up to five years and nine months. 529 01:27:48,320 --> 01:27:49,840 BIG FALL OF AN IT GENIUS 530 01:27:49,960 --> 01:27:52,640 DARKNET BOSS MUST SERVE ALMOST SIX YEARS IN PRISON 531 01:27:52,760 --> 01:27:55,080 VERDICT IN THE CYBERBUNKER TRIAL 532 01:28:34,640 --> 01:28:36,676 Testing, one, two, three. Testing, one, two, three. 533 01:28:36,760 --> 01:28:40,000 One, two, three, four, five, six. Testing, one, two, three. 534 01:28:49,920 --> 01:28:54,160 I can't do it without looking at the notes. 535 01:29:02,120 --> 01:29:05,440 "My trial was not fair and so neither was the judgement." 536 01:29:05,800 --> 01:29:09,440 "It hasn't made us guilty of any crimes at all." 537 01:29:10,040 --> 01:29:11,520 "We had nothing to hide." 538 01:29:12,120 --> 01:29:15,200 "Nothing I could have said would have mattered." 539 01:29:15,600 --> 01:29:19,360 "I was already convicted before I was arrested." 540 01:29:19,880 --> 01:29:23,120 "The Chamber had to justify this long procedure somehow, 541 01:29:23,720 --> 01:29:27,160 so someone had to take responsibility." 542 01:29:27,320 --> 01:29:33,240 "I will not be intimidated or obstructed by the German judiciary, 543 01:29:33,360 --> 01:29:35,520 the press or anyone else." 544 01:29:36,280 --> 01:29:39,316 "I am on the side of all those who have been deprived their fundamental rights, 545 01:29:39,400 --> 01:29:43,440 their professional and private lives for the sake of communication." 546 01:29:44,360 --> 01:29:47,240 "I believe privacy is a fundamental right." 547 01:29:47,560 --> 01:29:50,360 "Everyone has a right to privacy." 548 01:29:50,840 --> 01:29:55,200 "The more communication evolves, 549 01:29:55,320 --> 01:29:58,640 the easier it becomes for third parties to eavesdrop and spy on us." 550 01:29:59,360 --> 01:30:04,720 "I am sure people like me will have a big impact on the future internet." 551 01:30:05,320 --> 01:30:08,800 "The problem, however, is whether humanity is ready." 552 01:30:15,560 --> 01:30:16,800 Next question, please. 553 01:30:20,480 --> 01:30:21,960 Do you see yourself as a criminal? 554 01:30:23,680 --> 01:30:25,200 No, not really. 555 01:30:30,200 --> 01:30:31,640 I think he is a criminal, 556 01:30:31,840 --> 01:30:37,920 in a different form than someone who commits murder or another crime, 557 01:30:38,080 --> 01:30:42,240 but I don't think he has a problem with what he did. 558 01:32:47,760 --> 01:32:51,116 Their advert stating no child pornography or terrorism would be hosted 559 01:32:51,200 --> 01:32:54,080 was fulfilled by the perpetrators, with regard to terrorism. 560 01:32:54,440 --> 01:32:57,000 We found no terrorism on the servers. 561 01:32:57,120 --> 01:33:00,520 In terms of child pornography, it's a bit different. 562 01:33:13,520 --> 01:33:16,360 Mr. Kamphuis had a server 563 01:33:16,520 --> 01:33:20,400 on which linked child pornography had been operating. 564 01:33:20,560 --> 01:33:21,916 That means I can go through links, 565 01:33:22,000 --> 01:33:26,916 so pretty unambiguous links, like pre-teen, that kind of stuff, 566 01:33:27,000 --> 01:33:30,840 meaning pre-teenager age, and see the corresponding photos. 567 01:34:05,000 --> 01:34:09,036 I'm aware of Mr. Kamphuis' absurd notions with regard to child pornography. 568 01:34:09,120 --> 01:34:10,800 What he overlooks, of course, 569 01:34:10,920 --> 01:34:14,960 is that behind every photo, every child pornography photo, 570 01:34:15,080 --> 01:34:17,040 is active abuse, 571 01:34:17,160 --> 01:34:18,440 the abuse of the child. 572 01:34:18,560 --> 01:34:22,920 That's quite different from a photo of a bank robbery. 573 01:34:23,240 --> 01:34:25,400 In that, news about a bank robbery is shared. 574 01:34:25,680 --> 01:34:30,276 Child pornography images are not shown to say there's been child pornography. 575 01:34:30,360 --> 01:34:32,916 It's a completely different intention behind it. 576 01:34:33,000 --> 01:34:37,560 And you would have to be pretty sick to make that comparison. 577 01:34:38,720 --> 01:34:41,760 He wants to live his freedom and children should suffer for it. 578 01:34:42,640 --> 01:34:44,400 He's not interested in children's freedom. 579 01:34:45,480 --> 01:34:47,996 And that is the problem with people like him. 580 01:34:48,080 --> 01:34:50,520 They talk about freedom, when they just mean their own. 581 01:34:52,960 --> 01:34:58,600 Do you think that Mr. Kamphuis will remain free for some time? 582 01:35:01,560 --> 01:35:02,920 I don't understand the question. 583 01:35:14,600 --> 01:35:17,520 "In any data center where there are customer servers, 584 01:35:17,640 --> 01:35:21,440 customers could use their servers for criminal purposes." 585 01:35:22,000 --> 01:35:23,520 "You don't even notice it." 586 01:35:23,880 --> 01:35:25,960 "There is nothing you can do about it." 587 01:35:29,520 --> 01:35:30,800 That's simply wrong. 588 01:35:32,240 --> 01:35:35,836 When Mr. Xennt says he didn't know anything, 589 01:35:35,920 --> 01:35:37,760 I not only don't believe him, but he's lying. 590 01:35:37,880 --> 01:35:40,800 We have email correspondence 591 01:35:40,960 --> 01:35:43,640 in which Mr. Xennt clearly tells customers 592 01:35:43,760 --> 01:35:45,520 about how he protects them from prosecution. 593 01:35:46,880 --> 01:35:49,240 So, he knew exactly what was going on. 594 01:35:51,800 --> 01:35:54,040 "I have many plans for the future." 595 01:35:55,120 --> 01:36:00,120 "I know that there is no one else who wants to or can do what I want to do." 596 01:36:00,600 --> 01:36:02,360 "You cannot stop me." 597 01:36:02,640 --> 01:36:04,840 "I will still achieve my goals." 598 01:36:05,440 --> 01:36:08,400 "Everything is ready. I just have to go home." 599 01:36:09,200 --> 01:36:15,840 "I want to, and I will eventually, be able to realize my vision for a better world." 600 01:36:16,200 --> 01:36:18,040 "No one can stop me." 601 01:36:18,400 --> 01:36:20,080 Thank you for the interview. 602 01:36:42,560 --> 01:36:44,560 Traben-Trarbach was in a state of shock, 603 01:36:45,520 --> 01:36:47,440 when all that came to light. 604 01:36:48,760 --> 01:36:52,960 It's something that stays with you for a while. 605 01:36:56,080 --> 01:36:58,480 Shock, and... 606 01:36:59,560 --> 01:37:00,600 horror. 607 01:37:01,320 --> 01:37:04,400 What went on there was huge. 608 01:37:07,880 --> 01:37:10,080 It was a relief in a way. 609 01:37:10,240 --> 01:37:12,560 Now it's burst, now the bubble has burst. 610 01:37:12,680 --> 01:37:14,720 Now we finally know what happened up there. 611 01:37:14,920 --> 01:37:16,720 It's good that it came to an end. 612 01:37:18,560 --> 01:37:19,600 It was bad enough. 613 01:37:23,000 --> 01:37:27,400 It still hurts today to think of the suffering that was sown with it. 614 01:37:28,800 --> 01:37:32,116 How, in today's world, it's actually incredibly easy 615 01:37:32,200 --> 01:37:34,200 for someone to do the same thing in another place, 616 01:37:34,600 --> 01:37:39,000 with the same success, success that has negative consequences on people. 49961

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