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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:03,150 --> 00:00:09,524 Contains very strong language. 2 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:12,417 So, I come 3 00:00:12,417 --> 00:00:15,417 here and prop it up like that. 4 00:00:15,417 --> 00:00:21,518 And then, skilfully, I come across... keep a low profile. There. 5 00:00:21,518 --> 00:00:23,019 Here's my telescope. 6 00:00:23,019 --> 00:00:27,609 what we've got around us here in this neighbourhood is a settlement of humans, right, there'd probably 7 00:00:27,609 --> 00:00:32,676 been a spaceship crash, or something like that, and this small town has arisen. 8 00:00:32,676 --> 00:00:34,687 And we're waiting to be rescued. 9 00:00:34,687 --> 00:00:39,800 My terrible job is to stay up all night scanning the heavens for the rescue ships. 10 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:43,083 And that's how I while away the weary hours. 11 00:00:54,079 --> 00:00:57,363 where in the world is Dr Feelgood very big? 12 00:00:57,363 --> 00:00:58,953 In Canvey Island. 13 00:01:04,573 --> 00:01:06,356 Canvey Island. 14 00:01:07,937 --> 00:01:09,825 ♫ I got a girl 15 00:01:10,794 --> 00:01:13,191 ♫ A man's best friend 16 00:01:13,191 --> 00:01:16,157 ♫ I'd have her now 17 00:01:16,157 --> 00:01:18,782 ♫ If she'd just come back again 18 00:01:18,782 --> 00:01:21,361 ♫ But she left me in the fog 19 00:01:21,361 --> 00:01:25,156 ♫ Told me that I treat her like a dog 20 00:01:30,448 --> 00:01:32,789 ♫ I bought a brand-new motor 21 00:01:32,789 --> 00:01:35,698 ♫ And I'm waiting for a loan 22 00:01:35,698 --> 00:01:37,845 ♫ So I can fill her up and start her 23 00:01:37,845 --> 00:01:41,083 ♫ Then I'm going back home 24 00:02:06,355 --> 00:02:07,764 ♫ Oh, yeah 25 00:02:07,764 --> 00:02:11,888 ♫ I wanna live the way I like 26 00:02:13,146 --> 00:02:15,293 ♫ Sleep all the morning 27 00:02:15,293 --> 00:02:17,452 ♫ And get my fun at night 28 00:02:18,718 --> 00:02:21,342 ♫ Things ain't like that here 29 00:02:21,342 --> 00:02:24,865 ♫ working just to keep my payments clear... ♫ 30 00:02:27,384 --> 00:02:32,860 I was born here, which means I was born below sea level. 31 00:02:32,860 --> 00:02:36,655 I think this affects the consciousness profoundly. 32 00:02:36,655 --> 00:02:39,790 It's kind of submarine consciousness, I think. 33 00:02:39,790 --> 00:02:41,382 And um, 34 00:02:41,382 --> 00:02:44,620 I live up on top of the hill now. 35 00:02:45,366 --> 00:02:48,592 Cos of the flood, you see, 1953. 36 00:02:49,899 --> 00:02:51,729 People used to use this flood 37 00:02:51,729 --> 00:02:55,194 as a kind of a historical reference point, like the war. 38 00:02:55,194 --> 00:02:57,353 Oh, was that before the war or after the war? 39 00:02:57,353 --> 00:03:00,965 Here, of course, it's was that before the flood or after the flood? 40 00:03:00,965 --> 00:03:02,795 Biblical stuff. 41 00:03:05,179 --> 00:03:09,963 Yeah, 1953, I opened my bedroom curtains, I was at the age of six. 42 00:03:09,963 --> 00:03:13,292 I saw a rowing boat going by, which I thought was a tad odd. 43 00:03:13,292 --> 00:03:16,008 Our neighbour was screaming at us through the walls, 44 00:03:16,008 --> 00:03:18,735 and we realised at that time that we had been flooded. 45 00:03:18,735 --> 00:03:21,370 I would have been born at home but because of the flood, 46 00:03:21,370 --> 00:03:23,155 I was born in Romford Hospital. 47 00:03:31,197 --> 00:03:33,639 Our house fell down. we had to get another house. 48 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:37,854 I knew that there was something wrong. I was a perceptive child. 49 00:03:38,553 --> 00:03:41,745 There was a girl in our class at school. 50 00:03:41,745 --> 00:03:48,346 Unfortunately, her parents had died and she was found floating in her carry cot, like a Moses basket. 51 00:03:48,346 --> 00:03:52,981 A lot of people were forced to spend the night on the roof, which was freezing, freezing temperatures. 52 00:03:52,981 --> 00:03:55,424 A lot of people just died from exposure. 53 00:03:55,424 --> 00:03:58,094 About a hundred people were killed. 54 00:04:06,938 --> 00:04:11,108 we were evacuated from Canvey Island to a school. 55 00:04:11,108 --> 00:04:13,550 Of course, as a kid, it was a big adventure. 56 00:04:13,550 --> 00:04:18,004 There was a big tea chest full of Dinky toys, which we could all help ourselves to. 57 00:04:18,004 --> 00:04:21,890 On the radio, there was this character called Wilfred Pickles. 58 00:04:21,890 --> 00:04:23,776 How do? How are you? 59 00:04:23,776 --> 00:04:28,185 And he was down at this school, interviewing the refugees from the flood. 60 00:04:28,185 --> 00:04:31,276 And he was asking anybody if they wanted to sing a song, 61 00:04:31,276 --> 00:04:34,366 so we could have a sing song, cheering everybody's spirits up. 62 00:04:34,366 --> 00:04:36,808 My mum thrust me forward and said, ‘Yeah, he can. 63 00:04:36,808 --> 00:04:38,366 ‘what are you gonna sing?‘ 64 00:04:38,366 --> 00:04:41,830 And that's Johnny, Big Figure, right? Little Johnny Martin. 65 00:04:41,830 --> 00:04:44,921 And he sung Me and My Teddy Bear. 66 00:04:47,683 --> 00:04:54,466 when we eventually got back onto the island I was inundated with teddy bears from all over the country. 67 00:04:54,466 --> 00:04:57,795 He was the first Feelgood to actually make it onto the media. 68 00:04:59,808 --> 00:05:03,888 Right, good morning, ladies and gentlemen. welcome to Canvey Island. 69 00:05:03,888 --> 00:05:06,455 This is the birthplace of Dr Feelgood. 70 00:05:06,455 --> 00:05:10,579 This is where our adventure all started out in the early '70s. 71 00:05:10,579 --> 00:05:16,293 The walk will be about two hours, so if you're not feeling up to it, you had too much to drink last night, at 72 00:05:16,293 --> 00:05:21,872 any point a taxi can be organised to come and get you, because we're going round the perimeter of the island. 73 00:05:21,872 --> 00:05:24,315 we'll make a start, OK? 74 00:05:24,315 --> 00:05:26,326 Onwards and upwards. 75 00:05:26,326 --> 00:05:29,655 All sorts of people are getting fascinated by Canvey Island. 76 00:05:29,655 --> 00:05:32,654 It gets to you. I think I'm going to move back here. 77 00:05:36,954 --> 00:05:42,204 Canvey Island is a great place, really, but it's strange, even today. 78 00:05:42,204 --> 00:05:43,806 It is a very unique place, 79 00:05:43,806 --> 00:05:47,873 and there's nowhere I've ever been in the world quite like Canvey. 80 00:05:47,873 --> 00:05:53,077 There's this mud flat rescued from the sea by Dutch engineers in the 17th century. 81 00:05:53,077 --> 00:05:56,690 In the last hundred years, because of the railway coming to Southend, 82 00:05:56,690 --> 00:06:01,894 it's become a popular haunt of Eastenders, people coming down from London and weekend bungalows. 83 00:06:01,894 --> 00:06:06,677 It also has that end of the line feeling about it, because you step off the 84 00:06:06,677 --> 00:06:12,300 end of the creek in Canvey Island, and if you just keep going along the waterline, your next stop's Belgium. 85 00:06:12,300 --> 00:06:14,311 And that's a fact. 86 00:06:14,311 --> 00:06:17,777 It feels like a million miles from anywhere. 87 00:06:17,777 --> 00:06:20,504 Also it's not really an island, it's a peninsula. 88 00:06:20,504 --> 00:06:24,208 It still is an island. we can go right round Canvey by boat. 89 00:06:24,208 --> 00:06:25,901 well, maybe it is an island. 90 00:06:25,901 --> 00:06:28,480 You must edit that out, I'll take that out. 91 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:31,809 People were quite proud to come from Canvey and liked that it was 92 00:06:31,809 --> 00:06:34,945 an island and there was something unique and different about it. 93 00:06:34,945 --> 00:06:38,604 To us Southenders, you had to cross a bridge to get there. 94 00:06:38,604 --> 00:06:42,354 So even though the bridge was only 30 yards, it was almost like a 95 00:06:42,354 --> 00:06:44,604 different country, going to Canvey. 96 00:06:44,604 --> 00:06:48,580 People are somewhat suspicious of Canvey Islanders. 97 00:06:48,580 --> 00:06:51,489 They have a fear, because of the East End links, they 98 00:06:51,489 --> 00:06:55,943 think it's a bit of a rough place, full of East End rough people. 99 00:06:55,943 --> 00:06:59,180 which, to a point, there's something to be said for that, you know! 100 00:06:59,180 --> 00:07:02,601 People take the Mick out of Canvey, like, you know, 101 00:07:02,601 --> 00:07:05,464 people on Canvey have got webbed feet cos it's always flooded. 102 00:07:05,464 --> 00:07:09,497 Canvey's Canvey, and it's a little bit like the old East End of London used to be. 103 00:07:09,497 --> 00:07:12,031 Before they all moved to Canvey! 104 00:07:12,031 --> 00:07:15,314 we tend to close ranks a little bit and defend the place 105 00:07:15,314 --> 00:07:18,597 to outsiders, although we're constantly knocking it ourselves! 106 00:07:18,597 --> 00:07:22,539 You could look across the river there, there you see Kent. 107 00:07:22,539 --> 00:07:27,505 It's like a sort of promised land, Kent, you know, it's the Garden of England over there, and you think, 108 00:07:27,505 --> 00:07:30,596 I wonder what's over that hill? 109 00:07:30,596 --> 00:07:33,562 You don't need to leave Canvey, everything is delivered here, 110 00:07:33,562 --> 00:07:39,458 and if you're happy with being here 365 days a year, then why would you want to leave? 111 00:07:39,458 --> 00:07:41,765 when I was a little tiny lad, 112 00:07:41,765 --> 00:07:47,810 they were building the refinery at Shell Haven, just across the water. 113 00:07:47,810 --> 00:07:52,400 And you all day long you could hear these pile drivers, driving piles deep down this mud. 114 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:55,171 Boom, boom, all the time. 115 00:07:55,171 --> 00:07:57,002 Steam hammers, 116 00:07:57,002 --> 00:08:01,126 you know. And gradually this thing rose up over the horizon. 117 00:08:01,126 --> 00:08:06,182 It's the catalytic cracker plant. My mum told me it's a cat cracker! 118 00:08:06,182 --> 00:08:08,159 Cracking cats. 119 00:08:08,159 --> 00:08:12,567 They have these big chimney stacks with flames coming out of the top. 120 00:08:12,567 --> 00:08:18,328 And you get the flames at night time, you know, flickering underneath the clouds, you know. 121 00:08:18,328 --> 00:08:20,578 Very Miltonic. 122 00:08:20,578 --> 00:08:26,906 ‘Yet from those flames, no light, but rather darkness visible served only to discover sites of woe. ' 123 00:08:28,676 --> 00:08:31,449 It was where my father worked, he was there on security. 124 00:08:31,449 --> 00:08:35,152 And they used to come up on the seawall at Canvey to watch 125 00:08:35,152 --> 00:08:39,141 the Spitfire pilots attempt to tip the wings of the V1s, you know, the flying bombs, 126 00:08:39,141 --> 00:08:41,254 to stop them reaching London. 127 00:08:41,254 --> 00:08:45,754 The Germans were always trying to bomb the oil terminal to light their way up into London. 128 00:08:49,632 --> 00:08:54,927 I remember my dad used to work on these jetties over here, and he'd bring me up here when I was a kid. 129 00:08:54,927 --> 00:08:59,097 And he bribed the captain of one of the small oil tankers to take us to 130 00:08:59,097 --> 00:09:02,653 London once, which was quite a good journey for a little kid to make. 131 00:09:02,653 --> 00:09:06,732 One of these tankers would go by, you'd get a big wash from it. 132 00:09:06,732 --> 00:09:08,891 It'd come washing up, very exciting. 133 00:09:08,891 --> 00:09:10,765 Bit of surf. 134 00:09:10,765 --> 00:09:17,230 we'd sit here and waiting for the wash from a tanker, watching these red sails go by, and... 135 00:09:17,230 --> 00:09:19,570 paradise. 136 00:09:25,659 --> 00:09:31,328 Canvey Island was the nearest beach to the East End of London. 137 00:09:32,908 --> 00:09:38,952 There was the Thorny Bay Holiday Camp, which was, well, weekend holidays for Londoners, really. 138 00:09:38,952 --> 00:09:41,907 They all had an old-fashioned '50s caravan, wasn't it? 139 00:09:41,907 --> 00:09:46,974 Come down, most of the time was spent over the casino eating whelks and eating candy floss. 140 00:09:46,974 --> 00:09:51,984 Not a great site for a caravan park, cos you've got these oil tanks there. 141 00:09:51,984 --> 00:09:56,813 But they solved this problem, they used to sell postcards of the caravan site, and they'd 142 00:09:56,813 --> 00:10:01,687 actually painted the oil tanks away with blue paint, you know. 143 00:10:01,687 --> 00:10:04,971 And it looked like a nice caravan site. 144 00:10:04,971 --> 00:10:06,845 It had a bit of a bawdy reputation. 145 00:10:06,845 --> 00:10:09,515 People would go there for a dirty weekend. 146 00:10:09,515 --> 00:10:11,765 If you said you came from Canvey Island, people 147 00:10:11,765 --> 00:10:15,061 would raise their eyebrows, as if questioning your parentage. 148 00:10:15,061 --> 00:10:18,992 we laugh about it now and make jokes about the funny hats and the sticks of rock and 149 00:10:18,992 --> 00:10:21,855 everything, but that was a large part of the income of this town. 150 00:10:21,855 --> 00:10:24,763 Perhaps we were all in show business. 151 00:10:26,119 --> 00:10:28,596 This is a map of Canvey Island. 152 00:10:28,596 --> 00:10:32,777 As I would understand it, I mean, the bands all come from somewhere. 153 00:10:32,777 --> 00:10:38,492 But this is quite a tight area to have pulled in four band personnel. 154 00:10:38,492 --> 00:10:41,161 we lived there. 155 00:10:41,997 --> 00:10:43,450 Sparko lived there. 156 00:10:45,082 --> 00:10:47,810 Figure lived there. 157 00:10:47,810 --> 00:10:50,297 And Wilko lived there. 158 00:10:50,297 --> 00:10:54,559 'Hi, there, this is Radio Canvey...’ Hello, how are you? Not bad, not bad. 159 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:57,196 what can I do for you today? 160 00:10:57,196 --> 00:10:59,445 just a very short trim, please. 161 00:10:59,445 --> 00:11:01,002 Literally my oldest friend. 162 00:11:01,002 --> 00:11:06,115 we were born in close proximity to each other on Canvey Island. 163 00:11:06,115 --> 00:11:07,898 Four doors away. Four doors away. 164 00:11:07,898 --> 00:11:11,319 I had to go to Wilko's to watch BBC television for children. 165 00:11:11,319 --> 00:11:13,296 That's how deprived we were. 166 00:11:13,296 --> 00:11:15,216 Hello, everyone. Hey, Muffin. 167 00:11:15,216 --> 00:11:18,125 Don't be in such a hurry. Say hello. 168 00:11:18,125 --> 00:11:20,748 when I did go to the grammar school in Southend, 169 00:11:20,748 --> 00:11:25,861 you were looked on slightly askance, coming from Canvey Island. 170 00:11:25,861 --> 00:11:29,145 My first year, there was this English teacher and he used 171 00:11:29,145 --> 00:11:32,610 to get me to stand in front in the class and go, go on, say 'bottle'. 172 00:11:32,610 --> 00:11:37,860 I can't even say it, 'bottle', and I'd go 'bottle', 'little', and all that, to show them how not to speak. 173 00:11:37,860 --> 00:11:42,495 You see, my glottal stops. But of course, I loved it. 'Bottle', 'little', you know. 174 00:11:42,495 --> 00:11:45,495 I knew Chris, who became the manager of the Feelgoods. 175 00:11:45,495 --> 00:11:48,824 we were in the local Cub troupe together. 176 00:11:48,824 --> 00:11:53,937 And Spark and I were in the same patrol, in the Squirrel Patrol. 177 00:11:53,937 --> 00:11:59,050 Lee was a different deal, because Lee, he was born in South Africa. 178 00:11:59,050 --> 00:12:05,049 He had spoken, allegedly, Zulu, because he had had a Zulu nanny. 179 00:12:05,049 --> 00:12:07,026 Nanny Rosie. 180 00:12:07,026 --> 00:12:11,526 Yes, she was a Zulu girl, lovely person. 181 00:12:11,526 --> 00:12:15,320 He spoke Zulu when he couldn't even speak English. 182 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:19,716 But I think he was back in the UK fully by the time he was five. 183 00:12:19,716 --> 00:12:24,682 First of all, his grandparents had lived on Canvey Island. 184 00:12:24,682 --> 00:12:28,250 He used to come at weekends, it was a slow transition. 185 00:12:28,250 --> 00:12:31,010 He loved it at Canvey. 186 00:12:31,010 --> 00:12:35,511 He liked it so much that on Friday I'd get home from 187 00:12:35,511 --> 00:12:39,396 work and there was a note on the table, ‘Dear Mum, gone to Nan's.' 188 00:12:39,396 --> 00:12:42,362 And he'd gone for the weekend. 189 00:12:42,362 --> 00:12:46,862 It got so dreadful, we never saw the boy. So we all moved down there. 190 00:12:46,862 --> 00:12:49,622 He was an only child, he had no brothers and sisters. 191 00:12:49,622 --> 00:12:54,826 we became neighbourhood mates, because we lived five rows from one another. 192 00:12:54,826 --> 00:12:59,609 Because we lived right on the sea wall, you would swim over in the creek. 193 00:12:59,609 --> 00:13:03,075 You would play mud larks, and that would be great fun. 194 00:13:03,075 --> 00:13:05,642 just sort of buggering about in the mud. 195 00:13:09,905 --> 00:13:12,064 That's Lower Horse Island. 196 00:13:12,064 --> 00:13:15,620 And Lee and I had our rowing boats, 197 00:13:15,620 --> 00:13:19,835 and we used to row out to the island in the middle, and this was 198 00:13:19,835 --> 00:13:25,118 our real pirate's playground. This, that you see here, is all our garden. 199 00:13:25,118 --> 00:13:27,755 Chris would row the boat, 200 00:13:27,755 --> 00:13:30,482 and Lee would do all the talking. 201 00:13:30,482 --> 00:13:35,265 And Lee would make up all these stories about monsters and things. 202 00:13:35,265 --> 00:13:39,150 This boat, he called it the Corsair. 203 00:13:39,150 --> 00:13:44,923 He put up the skull and crossbones, and there he was. Pirate Lee. 204 00:13:46,131 --> 00:13:49,642 To us it was a magical island, Treasure Island, 205 00:13:49,642 --> 00:13:55,028 wind in the willows, general Boy's Own adventure books. 206 00:13:58,869 --> 00:14:05,050 when I was 15, 16 and that, I was a right rebel at school, but I was deliberately a philistine. 207 00:14:05,050 --> 00:14:09,742 And I took it in my head, I fancied myself with a guitar. You think you're gonna get all the girls. 208 00:14:11,511 --> 00:14:16,805 Probably the first people I saw on the television actually using guitars were the Shadows. 209 00:14:19,050 --> 00:14:23,743 Those great twangy sounds, those instrumentals played on the Fender Stratocasters. 210 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:30,293 Wilko bought himself a very cheap guitar from the Exchange and Mart, 211 00:14:30,293 --> 00:14:35,827 and he suggested I get myself a very basic drum kit, so we could start play and emulate the Shadows. 212 00:14:37,453 --> 00:14:39,521 Some Shadows’ stuff. 213 00:14:42,836 --> 00:14:44,722 I do not use a plectrum, 214 00:14:44,722 --> 00:14:49,448 and this is my excuse. I'm left-handed. 215 00:14:49,448 --> 00:14:54,414 And, um, the first guitar I got was left-handed, 216 00:14:54,414 --> 00:14:56,345 like this, see, you play 217 00:14:56,345 --> 00:14:59,628 it this way round. is this the way, isn’t it? That's it, this way around. 218 00:14:59,628 --> 00:15:01,367 Is it this way or that way? 219 00:15:01,367 --> 00:15:02,923 I think it's this way round, yeah. 220 00:15:02,923 --> 00:15:06,673 So anyway, I got a right-handed guitar and started learning again. 221 00:15:06,673 --> 00:15:09,150 I couldn't keep hold of the plectrum. 222 00:15:09,150 --> 00:15:11,639 So I just did without it. 223 00:15:11,639 --> 00:15:14,115 Strummed like fury. 224 00:15:14,115 --> 00:15:17,114 Red scratch plate. So the men won't see the blood. 225 00:15:17,114 --> 00:15:20,831 This is my group, this is about 1964. 226 00:15:20,831 --> 00:15:28,090 There's me with my Watkins Rapier guitar, and there's Figure, again, that's him very sensible. 227 00:15:28,090 --> 00:15:29,590 Not at all a clown. 228 00:15:38,575 --> 00:15:41,438 Oh, man, the Stones, the Stones. 229 00:15:41,438 --> 00:15:48,096 They just looked so outlandish, and here was a band you knew your parents wouldn't like. 230 00:15:48,096 --> 00:15:50,823 You see, Keith Richards, I've got it, ain't I? Look. 231 00:15:50,823 --> 00:15:57,470 There we are in Irene's back garden, and you can tell it's the early '60s by the clothes she's wearing. 232 00:15:57,470 --> 00:16:00,856 Irene, I mean we were going together when we were 16. 233 00:16:00,856 --> 00:16:05,071 I remember the first time I kissed her. There were a bunch of us all walking back from the youth club, 234 00:16:05,071 --> 00:16:08,911 we got to a gate, and I kissed her, and I'm telling you it shook me, it just shook me. 235 00:16:12,371 --> 00:16:14,200 Lee, he was a clever boy. 236 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:16,598 He was far more intelligent than I was. 237 00:16:16,598 --> 00:16:19,404 There was no way I passed the 11 plus or anything like that. 238 00:16:21,181 --> 00:16:25,408 Lee looked different and he came over different from anybody else in the school. 239 00:16:25,408 --> 00:16:28,033 we had what you could basically call a gang. 240 00:16:28,033 --> 00:16:29,964 we called it the weasel Club. 241 00:16:29,964 --> 00:16:33,247 It was modelled very heavily on Harry Flashman from Tom Brown's 242 00:16:33,247 --> 00:16:36,621 Schooldays, and we all sported waistcoats and pocket watches. 243 00:16:36,621 --> 00:16:38,179 I thought he was a prefect, 244 00:16:38,179 --> 00:16:41,235 because he was carrying himself like a prefect. 245 00:16:41,235 --> 00:16:43,019 well, well, well. 246 00:16:43,019 --> 00:16:44,996 Hello, Flashman. 247 00:16:44,996 --> 00:16:48,370 He was obviously the sort of leader of his gang. 248 00:16:48,370 --> 00:16:50,858 He just had that aura about him. 249 00:16:50,858 --> 00:16:54,370 Lee was extremely good with words, very persuasive, 250 00:16:54,370 --> 00:16:58,028 and he could be virtually an intellectual. 251 00:16:58,028 --> 00:17:00,937 Pierre by Collie 252 00:17:01,913 --> 00:17:04,026 The end. 253 00:17:04,026 --> 00:17:07,116 He had a tremendous sense of outrage. 254 00:17:07,116 --> 00:17:11,105 If he felt the headmaster was unfair on him, 255 00:17:11,105 --> 00:17:14,331 he'd urinate on the headmaster's, er, door. 256 00:17:16,537 --> 00:17:21,821 Like most kids, I always liked music, pop music and all the rest of it, it wasn't until I heard Blues 257 00:17:21,821 --> 00:17:26,741 that I really started to become obsessive about it, I wanted to collect Blues records, 258 00:17:26,741 --> 00:17:30,729 and used to subscribe to Blues Unlimited magazine, and became quite, 259 00:17:30,729 --> 00:17:33,501 probably to all my friends, a complete bore about it all. 260 00:17:33,501 --> 00:17:37,104 ♫ Oh, the train I ride... ♫ 261 00:17:37,104 --> 00:17:40,568 You know, he was evangelical about the music. 262 00:17:40,568 --> 00:17:45,113 ♫ ..Oh, they shine like gold... ♫ 263 00:17:45,113 --> 00:17:48,635 Howling wolf, when I saw him perform live in Romford, 264 00:17:48,635 --> 00:17:52,476 at a pub called the King's Head, he was absolutely superb. 265 00:17:55,745 --> 00:17:57,529 I thought he looked the business. 266 00:17:57,529 --> 00:17:59,460 You know, he was the King. 267 00:17:59,460 --> 00:18:03,913 He came out on stage, there was an old man. And he just rocked. 268 00:18:03,913 --> 00:18:07,243 A Hohner harmonica in one hand and a microphone and you couldn't see it. 269 00:18:07,243 --> 00:18:11,174 It was just a big fella. He was like a bear more than a wolf. 270 00:18:13,604 --> 00:18:19,876 The first guitar that I got obsessed with was one of these things - a Fender Telecaster. 271 00:18:19,876 --> 00:18:24,841 And one day I was at home, and I'm walking across the room, like that. 272 00:18:24,841 --> 00:18:28,874 And err, and somebody goes this is Johnny Kidd and the Pirates, right? 273 00:18:28,874 --> 00:18:31,840 ♫ Shaking all over. ..♫ 274 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:33,817 I went... 275 00:18:33,817 --> 00:18:35,885 And there's, there's this guitar. 276 00:18:37,512 --> 00:18:40,738 I discovered the music of Mick Green, who played 277 00:18:40,738 --> 00:18:44,727 for Johnny Kidd and the Pirates, and he used a Fender Telecaster. 278 00:18:44,727 --> 00:18:48,283 But usually in bands you had two guitar players, one playing rhythm. 279 00:18:49,839 --> 00:18:52,510 And, another one playing what they call lead. 280 00:18:52,510 --> 00:18:56,635 well, Mick Green was doing both these things at once. 281 00:18:56,635 --> 00:18:58,646 I thought, I want to be just like him, 282 00:18:58,646 --> 00:19:01,645 and I started finding all the records I could find, 283 00:19:01,645 --> 00:19:03,111 Johnny Kidd and the Pirates. 284 00:19:03,111 --> 00:19:06,111 I listened to them, you played them at 33 and a third. 285 00:19:06,111 --> 00:19:07,656 ♫ They call me the doctor... ♫ 286 00:19:07,656 --> 00:19:09,018 So it's slow. 287 00:19:09,018 --> 00:19:10,667 ♫ I'm really hard to please 288 00:19:10,667 --> 00:19:12,075 ♫ well, you talk about... ♫ 289 00:19:13,109 --> 00:19:16,392 How's he doing that? How's he doing... I can't... 290 00:19:16,392 --> 00:19:21,551 so I tried and tried and tried, got it completely wrong, and ended up with my own style. 291 00:19:25,195 --> 00:19:26,241 Like that. 292 00:19:26,241 --> 00:19:28,116 Me and my brother, we used 293 00:19:28,116 --> 00:19:31,910 to come up here with our jug band, and we'd stand outside the Monaco. 294 00:19:31,910 --> 00:19:33,274 we used to play down there. 295 00:19:33,274 --> 00:19:39,409 we'd just stand here, kind of rather embarrassed, with our tea-chest bass and our banjos and things. 296 00:19:39,409 --> 00:19:44,942 And, and hang out, wait till it was half past 10 or whenever closing time was over there. 297 00:19:44,942 --> 00:19:47,522 And people would stagger out in a sentimental mood. 298 00:19:47,522 --> 00:19:50,283 "Can you play a sad one?‘ 299 00:19:51,406 --> 00:19:54,315 ♫ You are my sunshine 300 00:19:54,315 --> 00:19:57,315 ♫ My only sunshine 301 00:19:57,315 --> 00:19:59,053 ♫ You make me... ♫ 302 00:19:59,053 --> 00:20:01,633 Get out! And stay out! 303 00:20:04,386 --> 00:20:07,112 ♫ ..You'll never know, dear 304 00:20:07,112 --> 00:20:10,533 ♫ How much I love you 305 00:20:10,533 --> 00:20:14,521 ♫ Please don't take my sunshine away... ♫ 306 00:20:14,521 --> 00:20:17,612 And they'd give you a 10 bob note, and you could buy a hamburger. 307 00:20:17,612 --> 00:20:20,748 Wilko was a couple of years older than us. I remember when we were 308 00:20:20,748 --> 00:20:23,428 quite young teenagers, seeing Wilko and his brother, 309 00:20:23,428 --> 00:20:28,393 err, playing in what they call a jug band, which is a kind of a skiffle group, really. 310 00:20:28,393 --> 00:20:31,109 And I remember this, being most taken with this idea. 311 00:20:31,109 --> 00:20:36,505 Lee was the one I remembered, and he was very, very interested in what we were doing, this music. 312 00:20:36,505 --> 00:20:40,209 And it made a powerful impression on me, just that he was so kind 313 00:20:40,209 --> 00:20:45,879 of eager. So it didn't surprise me when a year or so later he'd got a jug band of his own going, 314 00:20:45,879 --> 00:20:49,162 and they were rather good, but... 315 00:20:49,162 --> 00:20:52,401 Yeah, I well remember talking to him. 316 00:20:52,401 --> 00:20:58,344 I don't think any of us could play a chord, but Lee, it was something that he, he aspired to desperately, 317 00:20:58,344 --> 00:21:02,934 so he couldn't play guitar chords, he learned banjo chords. 318 00:21:02,934 --> 00:21:05,615 Lee was definitely the driving force. 319 00:21:05,615 --> 00:21:08,330 He carried people along in his wake, really. 320 00:21:08,330 --> 00:21:12,454 Lee and Sparko were the core rhythm section. They're the ones who could play. 321 00:21:16,429 --> 00:21:21,168 This was a schoolboy thing, and this was weekends and youth clubs. Quite lucrative, actually. 322 00:21:21,168 --> 00:21:24,359 I remember when we used to busk outside the Monaco, and we won 323 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:26,836 a talent competition at our local holiday camp. 324 00:21:28,145 --> 00:21:31,712 He would start off at the Admiral Jellicoe and busk outside. 325 00:21:35,405 --> 00:21:38,790 well, then we started getting small amplifiers, we couldn't carry them, 326 00:21:38,790 --> 00:21:43,608 so we used to have to make barrows out of pram wheels and stuff. 327 00:21:43,608 --> 00:21:46,244 Then we would move across the road to the Canvey Club. 328 00:21:52,225 --> 00:21:57,804 we always took the hat around, so we, we had plenty of pocket money for 14 year olds. 329 00:21:57,804 --> 00:22:01,928 Then move on to the original Oysterfleet pub. 330 00:22:01,928 --> 00:22:06,666 And we would do a full set there that would probably take us through till 12.30, midnight. 331 00:22:06,666 --> 00:22:11,256 And although we weren't 18, the governor always used to buy us a pint, and err, it was great fun. 332 00:22:16,912 --> 00:22:18,934 Figure, he left school when he was about 15. 333 00:22:18,934 --> 00:22:24,320 His dad had a lock-up shed on Canvey where he used to do panel beating and spraying. 334 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:26,387 He hated Ford cars, you see, 335 00:22:26,387 --> 00:22:30,421 so this is his way of being satirical about Ford cars. 336 00:22:30,421 --> 00:22:34,920 Well, Wilko found a couple of friends over in westcliff, we just started playing R&B. 337 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:38,909 After a couple of years I joined another band over on Canvey called the Essex Five, 338 00:22:38,909 --> 00:22:40,500 earning a reasonable living. 339 00:22:40,500 --> 00:22:46,214 Coming home after three gigs with 50 quid in my pocket, which wasn't bad in 1968/1969. 340 00:22:46,214 --> 00:22:48,612 This is the last years of the '60s. 341 00:22:48,612 --> 00:22:49,646 Revolution. 342 00:22:51,608 --> 00:22:53,676 LSD. 343 00:22:54,704 --> 00:22:57,180 when I eventually tried it, it was it... 344 00:23:02,522 --> 00:23:04,204 Beyond anything. 345 00:23:04,204 --> 00:23:06,272 Beyond anything I'd ever. .. 346 00:23:06,272 --> 00:23:07,954 imagined or been told. 347 00:23:07,954 --> 00:23:10,726 I had a fascinating LSD experience here. 348 00:23:10,726 --> 00:23:14,520 Me and my brother walked all the way along the wall from the other end of 349 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:18,406 the island, right, gradually getting more and more involved. 350 00:23:23,229 --> 00:23:25,523 I remember one point here, it used to be a shelter. 351 00:23:25,523 --> 00:23:28,806 And it just involved a kind of ritually jewelled palace room, 352 00:23:28,806 --> 00:23:31,158 like something out of the Arabian Nights. 353 00:23:31,158 --> 00:23:35,044 And then it all suddenly turned into pink plastic knives and forks. 354 00:23:40,185 --> 00:23:43,753 just about then I was, in fact, about to go up to Newcastle, 355 00:23:43,753 --> 00:23:47,366 to the university there, where I was studying English. 356 00:23:47,366 --> 00:23:51,400 Check out the opening lines of, err, Piers Plowman. 357 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:52,763 It's... it's good. 358 00:23:52,763 --> 00:23:59,557 ‘I was weary for wandering, and went me to rest under a broad bank by a bourne's side. 359 00:23:59,557 --> 00:24:03,113 ‘And as I lay and leaned and looked in the waters, 360 00:24:03,113 --> 00:24:06,726 ‘I slumbered in a sleeping, it swathed so merry.‘ 361 00:24:08,545 --> 00:24:12,477 I also, I had some ambition to be a writer myself. 362 00:24:12,477 --> 00:24:16,840 I remember saying to Irene, I said if I get to the age of 21 and 363 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:20,169 find out I'm not a great poet, I'm going to cut my throat. 364 00:24:26,855 --> 00:24:34,638 And I think the first real time I focussed on Wilko is when our jug band was playing in Canvey Carnival. 365 00:24:34,638 --> 00:24:38,853 I would come back to Canvey in the summertime, during the vacation. 366 00:24:38,853 --> 00:24:43,807 I would see them playing, in the Carnival. Look at these guys. 367 00:24:44,885 --> 00:24:48,964 And there was one point Wilko came up with his brother, and said, 368 00:24:48,964 --> 00:24:52,429 ‘Hello boys,‘ and ‘Oh, great, what a great jug band.‘ 369 00:24:52,429 --> 00:24:58,428 After I'd, err, graduated, travelled overland to India. 370 00:24:58,428 --> 00:25:02,791 India! My father actually was a soldier in the Raj. He was on the north-west frontier. 371 00:25:02,791 --> 00:25:07,711 Sometimes I'd heard him say stuff about India, so I had this thing about India in my mind. 372 00:25:07,711 --> 00:25:12,733 I was so scared, I'd never been out of England before, I was sure I was going to die. 373 00:25:12,733 --> 00:25:17,846 I had 50 quid stuffed down me Y-fronts when I set off, and um, that sufficed. 374 00:25:17,846 --> 00:25:20,424 we went through Turkey and Iran, 375 00:25:20,424 --> 00:25:25,060 Tehran, Mashad and then through to Herat, Kandahar, Kabul, 376 00:25:25,060 --> 00:25:27,684 and then through the Khyber Pass. 377 00:25:27,684 --> 00:25:31,900 And we'd got a room in this Bahar Hotel, which was completely empty. 378 00:25:31,900 --> 00:25:33,922 we went out to the shops that day 379 00:25:33,922 --> 00:25:36,320 and we bought some opium and some eggs. 380 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,808 This is my room I had in Kathmandu. 381 00:25:38,808 --> 00:25:43,729 And in the morning, you see, you'd open these shutters, and it would be all misty. 382 00:25:43,729 --> 00:25:48,273 And then slowly the mist would lift and you'd start the see the temples, 383 00:25:48,273 --> 00:25:50,523 the pagodas, coming out of the mist. 384 00:25:50,523 --> 00:25:53,749 And then the mist would lift further and you would see the Himalayas. 385 00:25:53,749 --> 00:25:56,055 Actually, I don't normally like mountains. 386 00:25:56,055 --> 00:25:59,385 Maybe that's because I come from flat Canvey Island, I don't know. 387 00:25:59,385 --> 00:26:04,259 Lee was still on Canvey, and had a very Canvey-centric view of things. 388 00:26:04,259 --> 00:26:07,724 There's Canvey Island in the middle of the world, 389 00:26:07,724 --> 00:26:09,837 and it's surrounded by the Black Sea 390 00:26:09,837 --> 00:26:13,917 and the River Crouch drains from the Black Sea to the Loch Ness Ocean. 391 00:26:13,917 --> 00:26:18,836 ♫ And I been to the East And I been to the west 392 00:26:18,836 --> 00:26:22,450 ♫ I been this whole world wide 393 00:26:23,609 --> 00:26:28,155 ♫ I been to the river and I been baptised 394 00:26:28,155 --> 00:26:32,745 ♫ Now lead me to my buried ground 395 00:26:32,745 --> 00:26:36,540 ♫ Lead me to my buried ground. ♫ 396 00:26:39,166 --> 00:26:43,245 when I came back from India, I decided I wanted to be a painter. 397 00:26:43,245 --> 00:26:46,199 Yeah, I'm very fond of the old cumulus clouds in the 398 00:26:46,199 --> 00:26:49,949 summertime, and you just look at it, there's all sorts of stuff in there. 399 00:26:49,949 --> 00:26:53,232 There's my brother playing the lute. 400 00:26:53,232 --> 00:26:58,810 And there he is looking after me one night, and in the background there's Irene. 401 00:26:58,810 --> 00:27:01,389 I knew that we were marrying very young, and 402 00:27:01,389 --> 00:27:05,185 people would say we shouldn't do it, but I knew absolutely that there was 403 00:27:05,185 --> 00:27:07,821 nobody in the world like her for me, 404 00:27:07,821 --> 00:27:11,150 I knew that I wanted to be with her forever. 405 00:27:13,063 --> 00:27:16,063 To be in a jug band 14, 15, 406 00:27:16,063 --> 00:27:18,267 is acceptable as a gag. 407 00:27:18,267 --> 00:27:23,618 To be in a jug band at sort of 17, 18, all of a sudden this lot's a bit weird. 408 00:27:23,618 --> 00:27:26,482 It's about time you were in a band and did a bit of rock'n'roll. 409 00:27:28,901 --> 00:27:33,831 when it was being talked about that the band should go electric, Chris was a bit miffed, really. 410 00:27:33,831 --> 00:27:36,126 He was a not so sure about me giving up the jug. 411 00:27:36,126 --> 00:27:39,262 what could be my role, so Lee said to him, well get yourself a van 412 00:27:39,262 --> 00:27:43,954 and you can cart us around, and we'll cut you in as the fifth member, and that's how it stayed. 413 00:27:43,954 --> 00:27:49,306 If I was home at the weekend then I'd, I'd go along and help with the gear, 414 00:27:49,306 --> 00:27:53,612 and I went with them on one of the first real, long haul gigs, 415 00:27:53,612 --> 00:27:56,475 it was exit 27 off the M1 at Nottingham. 416 00:27:56,475 --> 00:28:01,395 we played the Silk Top Hat Club, which is a big working man's club. 417 00:28:01,395 --> 00:28:06,644 This was the real thing. And Lee came out with some gloves on for the show, 418 00:28:06,644 --> 00:28:11,280 and his denim jacket, and threw a great little rock'n'roll gig. 419 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:15,881 He just did, and I remember the local D] there had kind of seen it all. 420 00:28:15,881 --> 00:28:18,551 He said, ‘You've got a star on your hands there, mate.‘ 421 00:28:18,551 --> 00:28:22,529 Fucking right, I tell you what, it take the shiver down my back. 422 00:28:22,529 --> 00:28:27,731 I'd given up playing, and I'm back on Canvey Island and then bumped into Lee. 423 00:28:27,731 --> 00:28:29,800 He was a solicitor's clerk at the time. 424 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:31,811 I think he was about 18 or 19 then. 425 00:28:31,811 --> 00:28:37,674 He's got a pinstripe suit on, three piece suit, fucking looked really mean, you know, really good. 426 00:28:37,674 --> 00:28:42,036 I worked in a law office, yeah, serving writs on people, that was my job. 427 00:28:42,036 --> 00:28:45,696 And, err, he was saying, ‘we've got this rock'n'roll band,‘ and err, 428 00:28:45,696 --> 00:28:48,468 the guitar player had left, and I was thinking, ‘Ooh. 429 00:28:48,468 --> 00:28:50,763 ‘I've still got my guitar under the bed. 430 00:28:50,763 --> 00:28:52,501 ‘Is he going to ask me?‘ 431 00:28:52,501 --> 00:28:54,421 But he didn't. 432 00:28:54,421 --> 00:28:58,500 He was too shy to suggest that I should join his band. 433 00:28:58,500 --> 00:29:01,306 And so we had a long talk in the street and parted company, 434 00:29:01,306 --> 00:29:05,578 and I thought, ‘Oh, man, I could have, you know, I haven't played for a long time and. 435 00:29:05,578 --> 00:29:11,941 And then of course, later that evening, Sparko came knocking at the door. 436 00:29:11,941 --> 00:29:14,475 He'd come round and, later on he's at my door going, 437 00:29:14,475 --> 00:29:16,917 ‘Look, do you want to do a band?‘ And I went, 'Yes.' 438 00:29:16,917 --> 00:29:21,326 we were quite in some awe of Wilko, you know, as a musician, also as a character. 439 00:29:21,326 --> 00:29:26,246 And, err, absolutely delighted when he agreed, condescended, you know, to join our little band. 440 00:29:26,246 --> 00:29:29,667 I was happy to be his guitar player. 441 00:29:29,667 --> 00:29:31,916 we learned some pop songs so we can get work. 442 00:29:31,916 --> 00:29:37,257 we went around someone's house and had a rehearsal, and I think Lee, 443 00:29:37,257 --> 00:29:40,552 we got, Lee put this, err, record on, it was, err, Little Walter. 444 00:29:40,552 --> 00:29:45,278 I said, ‘Fuck this pop music, let's just play this, let's do this!‘ 445 00:29:45,278 --> 00:29:48,517 How many rhythm and blues fans does it take to change a light bulb then? 446 00:29:50,761 --> 00:29:55,260 Well... it's one, you know, and ten to say it's not as good as the original. 447 00:29:55,260 --> 00:29:57,737 Wilko on board made a big difference. 448 00:29:58,816 --> 00:30:02,237 We became fast friends, and he was very welcoming of you. 449 00:30:02,237 --> 00:30:05,758 You could always go round his house and have a cup of tea and a joint. 450 00:30:05,758 --> 00:30:09,315 We used to go round your place and have very good sessions, didn't we? 451 00:30:09,315 --> 00:30:11,712 A complete laugh, right. 452 00:30:11,712 --> 00:30:16,496 I thought this guy's cool, right, it was like your first guru that you'd come across. 453 00:30:16,496 --> 00:30:19,598 He'd been on lots of political rallies and things. 454 00:30:19,598 --> 00:30:23,392 Look, I'm a revolutionary, I'd got this donkey jacket on, and boots and that. 455 00:30:23,392 --> 00:30:28,027 We demonstrated when a new road was opened on Canvey Island because we 456 00:30:28,027 --> 00:30:32,629 felt that it was done purely to have a lot more oil refineries put in. 457 00:30:32,629 --> 00:30:36,844 But it felt a laugh to go along and say, ‘No more oil on Canvey!‘ 458 00:30:36,844 --> 00:30:40,400 No more oil on Canvey soil! 459 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,956 No more oil on Canvey soil! 460 00:30:43,956 --> 00:30:47,342 The Pit of Canvey, pretty browned off about the idea really, 461 00:30:47,342 --> 00:30:50,341 I mean, we didn't want another oil refinery on Canvey. 462 00:30:50,341 --> 00:30:52,319 Will you stand up? 463 00:30:52,319 --> 00:30:55,602 This whole debate so far seems to me, err, to be taking the shape 464 00:30:55,602 --> 00:30:58,408 of people who are considering economic interests, 465 00:30:58,408 --> 00:31:01,215 they're considering fire risks and things like this, 466 00:31:01,215 --> 00:31:04,316 as though the refinery is coming, whether we want it or not. 467 00:31:04,316 --> 00:31:06,610 We're not rich people, we're not millionaires, 468 00:31:06,610 --> 00:31:09,940 so you can stick it on our doorstep, you won't stick it on anyone else's. 469 00:31:09,940 --> 00:31:13,133 That's the economics behind citing it here, because we don't care. 470 00:31:15,610 --> 00:31:20,484 They did actually shelve the oil refineries being built on Canvey Island. 471 00:31:20,484 --> 00:31:24,745 When we started the band, and we got this idea about this is where, this is Oil City. 472 00:31:24,745 --> 00:31:28,175 Canvey Island doesn't sound very American, let's call it Oil City. 473 00:31:28,175 --> 00:31:32,345 The blues, the sound of the blues. Mucker Joe, he called this, yes, this is Thames Delta. 474 00:31:32,345 --> 00:31:35,436 If you close your eyes on a sunny day it could be the Mississippi Delta, 475 00:31:35,436 --> 00:31:39,378 it could be some strange place, not really anywhere, not part of England. 476 00:31:39,378 --> 00:31:43,173 I used to love all these little shacks, and the balconies on the front and everything. 477 00:31:43,173 --> 00:31:46,593 My first record advance, I went and bought one of them, it was my first house! 478 00:31:54,882 --> 00:31:56,711 'Hello, is that Mr Dean Kennedy?’ 479 00:31:56,711 --> 00:31:59,517 I, err, I see them when they used to play on Canvey. 480 00:31:59,517 --> 00:32:01,301 I was about 13, 14. 481 00:32:01,301 --> 00:32:03,607 And it was in the time of sort of like, 482 00:32:03,607 --> 00:32:05,811 skinheads and football hooligans, 483 00:32:05,811 --> 00:32:09,334 and yeah, there was a lot of anger on Canvey in those days. 484 00:32:09,334 --> 00:32:11,628 It was a bit of a lawless society down there. 485 00:32:11,628 --> 00:32:15,514 And they were just ordinary street kids, and they just brought that to the stage. 486 00:32:15,514 --> 00:32:17,865 ♫ Well I'm a hot for you baby 487 00:32:17,865 --> 00:32:20,206 ♫ I can't get enough of your love 488 00:32:22,968 --> 00:32:25,036 ♫ I'm a hot for you baby 489 00:32:25,036 --> 00:32:27,343 ♫ Can't get enough of your love 490 00:32:29,810 --> 00:32:31,548 ♫ When I go to sleep at night 491 00:32:31,548 --> 00:32:33,980 ♫ Girl, you're the one I'm dreamin' of. ♫ 492 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:41,796 So we started playing in pubs and clubs and roller-skating rinks in Southend, 493 00:32:41,796 --> 00:32:43,955 and a dodgy pub called the Railway in Pitsea, 494 00:32:43,955 --> 00:32:46,625 otherwise known as the Flying Bottle. 495 00:32:46,625 --> 00:32:50,465 All the usual kind of like, rough houses and places where musicians go. 496 00:32:50,465 --> 00:32:56,419 This is the Monaco Pub, and we used to play there to the local Feelgood crowd every Wednesday night. 497 00:32:56,419 --> 00:32:58,340 It was 30 pence door money. 498 00:32:58,340 --> 00:33:02,554 If you can win a crowd on Canvey, you can win a crowd anywhere. 499 00:33:02,554 --> 00:33:04,145 I think Canvey to the rest of us 500 00:33:04,145 --> 00:33:08,031 felt like something that was dressed up but bound to sink. 501 00:33:08,031 --> 00:33:11,496 We all had this awareness that it was going to drown. 502 00:33:11,496 --> 00:33:14,302 There was an underlying sense of violence. 503 00:33:14,302 --> 00:33:19,461 And there was a lot of alcohol on Canvey, big drinking culture. 504 00:33:19,461 --> 00:33:21,949 The drummer we had been using, 505 00:33:21,949 --> 00:33:24,381 he wanted to go back in the army, 506 00:33:24,381 --> 00:33:27,619 and I said, ‘Well, I know a good drummer.‘ Figure. 507 00:33:27,619 --> 00:33:33,232 Wilko come knocking on my door one night with Chris and Lee. 508 00:33:33,232 --> 00:33:36,231 and asked if I'd join their band temporarily to go to Holland 509 00:33:36,231 --> 00:33:39,470 which I jumped at, never been abroad before. 510 00:33:39,470 --> 00:33:42,333 I remember going to Wilko's house one night. 511 00:33:42,333 --> 00:33:46,878 Instead of opening the door, he pushed out a poster that had our pictures and names, 512 00:33:46,878 --> 00:33:50,490 and that was really exciting, to see something was actually happening, 513 00:33:50,490 --> 00:33:53,400 rather than just playing at the local bingo hall. 514 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:57,569 We played these youth club places, which were really cool, 515 00:33:57,569 --> 00:34:00,956 like hippy kind of vibe places, and we would play twice a day. 516 00:34:08,245 --> 00:34:10,313 It was the first time we'd played 517 00:34:10,313 --> 00:34:13,131 to that kind of actual rock'n'roll audience, 518 00:34:13,131 --> 00:34:14,676 and I really liked it. 519 00:34:14,676 --> 00:34:17,403 You know, so you get all the girls. 520 00:34:17,403 --> 00:34:21,345 Very nice girls. Somewhere or other I thought we'd got something. 521 00:34:21,345 --> 00:34:24,538 I think it was largely to do with Lee. 522 00:34:24,538 --> 00:34:27,673 If he went into a room, he would attract attention. 523 00:34:27,673 --> 00:34:31,138 Because we were always trying to get some sort of reaction, 524 00:34:31,138 --> 00:34:33,706 Lee would jump out the window of the pub 525 00:34:33,706 --> 00:34:37,171 or start singing in the car park. It had a unique sound to it. 526 00:34:37,171 --> 00:34:38,671 There was something about it 527 00:34:38,671 --> 00:34:42,102 that was very spiteful and knocked you about. 528 00:34:43,964 --> 00:34:46,168 Passionate R&B, played with venom. 529 00:34:46,168 --> 00:34:50,349 ♫ Down in Louisiana close to New Orleans... ♫ 530 00:34:50,349 --> 00:34:54,325 We're nowhere near New Orleans, but we are in the Thames Delta. 531 00:34:54,325 --> 00:34:57,131 I don't think we were very highly regarded round here. 532 00:34:57,131 --> 00:35:00,595 All the local bands and that, they were into wearing frocks 533 00:35:00,595 --> 00:35:02,811 and singing about flying to Mars, you know. 534 00:35:02,811 --> 00:35:05,379 So, you know, we were just completely un-hip. 535 00:35:05,379 --> 00:35:07,402 And this is Pilgrim's Progress. 536 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:23,744 Everybody else was doing progressive rock, with long hair and greatcoats. 537 00:35:23,744 --> 00:35:26,379 Pink Floyd, King Crimson and all that stuff. 538 00:35:26,379 --> 00:35:29,515 The Feelgoods looked very much like they were out of the '60s 539 00:35:29,515 --> 00:35:30,924 and they were playing R&B. 540 00:35:30,924 --> 00:35:34,253 Nobody was doing that. It was so different to what was happening. 541 00:35:34,253 --> 00:35:36,230 Crusade is the right word. 542 00:35:36,230 --> 00:35:39,140 You're trying to impose something different on people. 543 00:35:40,304 --> 00:35:43,066 It was time that the balloon was burst. 544 00:35:43,066 --> 00:35:45,463 Wilko, at that time, was my schoolteacher. 545 00:35:45,463 --> 00:35:48,009 'He was teaching English to secondary school kids.' 546 00:35:48,009 --> 00:35:50,077 I really enjoyed teaching. I loved it. 547 00:35:50,077 --> 00:35:53,304 He weren't a very orthodox schoolteacher, I could tell you that. 548 00:35:53,304 --> 00:35:54,803 We really liked him. 549 00:35:54,803 --> 00:35:58,417 He'd sit cross legged on the table, chewing his hair, 550 00:35:58,417 --> 00:36:01,518 telling us stories of walking across India. 551 00:36:01,518 --> 00:36:03,257 Oh, dear, er... 552 00:36:03,257 --> 00:36:05,279 You should not have seen this. 553 00:36:05,279 --> 00:36:07,756 I really am a schoolteacher there. 554 00:36:07,756 --> 00:36:09,539 And this is fifth years, right, 555 00:36:09,539 --> 00:36:12,958 and they've got a super 8 camera, and they're making a film. 556 00:36:12,958 --> 00:36:15,072 They come into me and they're going, listen, 557 00:36:15,072 --> 00:36:16,720 we want you to cane jill. 558 00:36:16,720 --> 00:36:18,082 And, I go 'Huh?' 559 00:36:18,082 --> 00:36:21,833 And this girl, I liked this girl. 560 00:36:21,833 --> 00:36:26,014 You know... You mustn't, you know, look at them or anything, 561 00:36:26,014 --> 00:36:28,025 but I did like this girl. 562 00:36:28,025 --> 00:36:29,490 Lovely girl. 563 00:36:29,490 --> 00:36:33,138 Then jill says, she goes, 'I'm wearing some frilly knickers.‘ 564 00:36:33,138 --> 00:36:35,671 And I'm going, ‘Now look, hold it right there.‘ 565 00:36:35,671 --> 00:36:38,023 I said, 'I'm not doing anything of the kind, 566 00:36:38,023 --> 00:36:39,431 ‘I'll be arrested‘ 567 00:36:39,431 --> 00:36:43,284 And then I sort of blew it out and merely struck this pose, 568 00:36:43,284 --> 00:36:45,953 which could still go on many a website. 569 00:36:45,953 --> 00:36:47,931 Then I've got to go and see the headmaster. 570 00:36:47,931 --> 00:36:50,044 Come in. 571 00:36:50,044 --> 00:36:52,442 So I go in there, and say, ‘All right?‘ 572 00:36:52,442 --> 00:36:56,236 He said, 'I'm gonna have to say something to you 573 00:36:56,236 --> 00:37:00,121 ‘that I've never had to say to a teacher in 20 years.‘ 574 00:37:00,121 --> 00:37:03,303 He says, ‘You've got to do something about your appearance. ' 575 00:37:03,303 --> 00:37:07,052 How dare you come in here looking like that, boy! 576 00:37:08,325 --> 00:37:12,960 Slammed his hand on the desk and said, ‘Damn it boy, people think you're a student!‘ 577 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,631 I said, 'Don't you call me boy. I ain't a boy.‘ 578 00:37:15,631 --> 00:37:19,346 I said, ‘I've travelled further, geographically and intellectually 579 00:37:19,346 --> 00:37:21,687 ‘than most of your f. . .staff. Don't call me boy.‘ 580 00:37:21,687 --> 00:37:23,800 ‘When do you want me to leave?‘ 581 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:28,072 Right now, you've been a bloody disgrace to this school! I was well out of there. 582 00:37:28,072 --> 00:37:31,628 When I was leaving, I was saying, 'I'm gonna be in a rock'n'roll band.‘ 583 00:37:31,628 --> 00:37:36,684 I said, ‘I'll be back, I'll be back in a golden Cadillac full of paintings, then you'll be sorry.‘ 584 00:37:36,684 --> 00:37:41,229 Well, the one bit of artwork I did was actually the Dr Feelgood logo, 585 00:37:41,229 --> 00:37:45,114 which even now people have actually got tattooed on them. 586 00:37:45,114 --> 00:37:48,068 So, a little bit of an achievement. 587 00:37:48,068 --> 00:37:52,851 In those days, we used to sometimes get gigs backing this character called Heinz. 588 00:37:52,851 --> 00:37:57,635 There was this big hit record called Telstar. 589 00:37:57,635 --> 00:37:59,646 So, here's the Tornadoes. 590 00:38:05,823 --> 00:38:08,402 Heinz was the bass player in the band, right. 591 00:38:08,402 --> 00:38:13,128 And this was produced by joe Meek, who took a close interest in Heinz. 592 00:38:13,128 --> 00:38:16,412 He was sort of a blonde, Aryan-looking young chap. 593 00:38:16,412 --> 00:38:19,093 ♫ ..and love today... ♫ 594 00:38:19,093 --> 00:38:21,626 He had a German mother, didn't he? 595 00:38:21,626 --> 00:38:25,092 Actually his surname was German, so I suspect him of being 100% German. 596 00:38:25,092 --> 00:38:27,238 ♫ Heinz bakes the meanest beans... ♫ 597 00:38:27,238 --> 00:38:31,453 He was still going out doing Teddy Boy gigs and he needed a backing band. 598 00:38:31,453 --> 00:38:34,589 ♫ Woo, I love to rock'n'roll... ♫ 599 00:38:39,742 --> 00:38:45,127 He got a spot on this Wembley rock'n'roll show in 1972, 600 00:38:45,127 --> 00:38:46,945 when they had Chuck Berry, 601 00:38:46,945 --> 00:38:51,910 Jerry Lee Lewis, Little Richard, Bo Diddley, and then there's Heinzy. 602 00:38:51,910 --> 00:38:53,603 There's me. Red and black shirt. 603 00:39:09,425 --> 00:39:11,675 I'm thinking, ‘This is all right!‘ 604 00:39:11,675 --> 00:39:14,959 I quite like this, I was a schoolteacher last week. 605 00:39:17,617 --> 00:39:19,355 ♫ I love to rock'n'roll... ♫ 606 00:39:22,579 --> 00:39:25,113 Ironically, he died a few years back. 607 00:39:25,113 --> 00:39:28,578 I don't know if you can guess what age he was? 608 00:39:28,578 --> 00:39:30,032 57! 609 00:39:32,323 --> 00:39:34,993 The band, the style, we were playing in the band 610 00:39:34,993 --> 00:39:37,902 and your barnet's getting in your face, things like that. 611 00:39:37,902 --> 00:39:41,185 It come the time to cut my hair, so I cut it. 612 00:39:41,185 --> 00:39:46,105 One day, he just got in the van, he had the short back and sides, which shocked us all. 613 00:39:46,105 --> 00:39:50,230 There was a point where the Feelgoods became characters. 614 00:39:50,230 --> 00:39:53,456 The problem was that there were three Johns in the band. 615 00:39:53,456 --> 00:39:55,853 There were three... four. . .three Johns! 616 00:39:55,853 --> 00:39:58,012 In fact, Lee's middle name was John. 617 00:39:58,012 --> 00:40:00,125 So we go, ‘All right, John? ‘Yeah, John.‘ 618 00:40:01,848 --> 00:40:04,982 There was John Martin the drummer. 619 00:40:04,982 --> 00:40:08,699 Wilko and Lee christened me the Big Figure, but it was more a title than a name. 620 00:40:08,699 --> 00:40:10,619 This is the Big Figure. 621 00:40:10,619 --> 00:40:14,982 Will Birch, I think, first, suggested the name of Wilko Johnson. 622 00:40:14,982 --> 00:40:17,606 Wilko is John Wilkinson. 623 00:40:17,606 --> 00:40:19,765 Someone suggested Sparko for me. 624 00:40:19,765 --> 00:40:23,275 Lee Collinson became Lee Brilleaux. 625 00:40:23,275 --> 00:40:26,889 Brilleaux come from his hairstyle, which he claimed looked like a Brillo pad. 626 00:40:26,889 --> 00:40:30,501 He liked the, er, New Orleans aspect of the word Brilleaux. 627 00:40:30,501 --> 00:40:33,467 B-R-O-L-L-E-A-U-X. 628 00:40:33,467 --> 00:40:36,138 I remember standing in the pub with Wilko, 629 00:40:36,138 --> 00:40:38,944 dreaming about becoming rock stars. 630 00:40:38,944 --> 00:40:43,580 We were saying, wouldn't it be great to have the limos, the roadies, the groupies and the drugs. 631 00:40:43,580 --> 00:40:46,489 I think the other three thought 632 00:40:46,489 --> 00:40:50,522 that, well, this is part-time, bit of fun. 633 00:40:50,522 --> 00:40:54,692 We used to think, wouldn't it be nice if we could earn enough money out of playing music 634 00:40:54,692 --> 00:40:56,578 that we wouldn't have to go to work? 635 00:40:56,578 --> 00:40:58,226 Little did we know, of course. 636 00:40:58,226 --> 00:41:02,305 And that was about, certainly in my case, as far as the dream went. 637 00:41:06,654 --> 00:41:11,608 Once we got to London, all right, the game became serious, quite honestly. 638 00:41:11,608 --> 00:41:12,971 London is a hub. 639 00:41:12,971 --> 00:41:16,493 You needed to operate out there to do the gigs, 640 00:41:16,493 --> 00:41:18,936 to get the buzz going initially. 641 00:41:18,936 --> 00:41:21,083 So what's the plan, eh? I'm coming to that. 642 00:41:21,083 --> 00:41:25,445 It was impossible to get gigs, unless you had a record deal and an agent. 643 00:41:25,445 --> 00:41:29,195 You couldn't get an agent unless you had a record deal, it was catch 22. 644 00:41:29,195 --> 00:41:32,626 All that changed with the pub rock circuit in London, 645 00:41:32,626 --> 00:41:35,761 around about 1972. 646 00:41:35,761 --> 00:41:41,477 Suddenly it was possible to play to small audiences, 100-200 people in a room, minimal equipment. 647 00:41:41,477 --> 00:41:44,897 That was the scene that suited the Feelgoods. 648 00:41:44,897 --> 00:41:49,351 We took an expeditional journey to London in the Big Figure's Rover. 649 00:41:49,351 --> 00:41:52,350 Went to this pub and saw a band called Duck's Deluxe. 650 00:41:52,350 --> 00:41:55,816 We thought, yeah. Not a million miles away from what we're doing. 651 00:41:55,816 --> 00:41:59,201 I'm gonna go through it once more to make sure there are no slip-ups. 652 00:41:59,201 --> 00:42:03,463 I would have the van. Pick Lee up, drive, pick Sparko up. 653 00:42:03,463 --> 00:42:07,963 Figure, Wilko, off the A13, and off to London. 654 00:42:07,963 --> 00:42:10,212 Go up like a little strike force there. 655 00:42:10,212 --> 00:42:14,064 Do your show, turn around, and come home. 656 00:42:14,064 --> 00:42:17,768 I said to this friend of mine, there's this group in Southend. 657 00:42:17,768 --> 00:42:20,903 You really ought to see them. They look and sound like nothing else. 658 00:42:20,903 --> 00:42:23,482 And he said, ‘Oh, OK, we'll put them on.‘ 659 00:42:23,482 --> 00:42:26,618 And magically, out of the blue, Duck's Deluxe had cancelled. 660 00:42:26,618 --> 00:42:31,867 13th july 1973, your mates, Dr Feelgood, can come and do it. 661 00:42:41,597 --> 00:42:44,506 ♫ I saw you the out other night 662 00:42:45,712 --> 00:42:48,677 ♫ I saw somebody hold you tight 663 00:42:48,677 --> 00:42:51,301 ♫ Roxette 664 00:42:51,301 --> 00:42:54,267 ♫ I wonder who it could be... ♫ 665 00:42:56,314 --> 00:42:58,234 ♫ It was so dark I couldn't see 666 00:42:58,234 --> 00:43:00,017 ♫ But I know it wasn't me 667 00:43:00,017 --> 00:43:02,040 ♫ When I tell you it ain't right 668 00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:03,449 ♫ I know you've got to agree 669 00:43:06,584 --> 00:43:09,016 ♫ And now you're gonna pay... ♫ 670 00:43:19,216 --> 00:43:20,818 They did their show, it was OK. 671 00:43:20,818 --> 00:43:23,487 They didn't set the place on fire by any means. 672 00:43:23,487 --> 00:43:27,658 Bearing in mind what was around at the time, Sweet, bands like Sweet. 673 00:43:27,658 --> 00:43:30,657 ♫ We just haven't got a clue what to do... ♫ 674 00:43:30,657 --> 00:43:33,567 We must have stood out like sore thumbs. 675 00:43:33,567 --> 00:43:36,941 Who's this lot, was the kind of feel as we mounted the stage. 676 00:43:43,583 --> 00:43:48,127 We had to get to work the next morning. So, we were basically getting our stuff back in the van. 677 00:43:48,127 --> 00:43:51,592 Picking up a Chinese on the way home, or a curry. That was it, back to bed. 678 00:43:53,829 --> 00:43:58,896 I think the bank raid, the smash and grab approach, was probably what was on their minds at the time. 679 00:44:01,978 --> 00:44:06,192 I suppose audiences thought they might be watching four guys who'd just done a bank job 680 00:44:06,192 --> 00:44:08,772 and, oh, and in their spare time they play R&B. 681 00:44:09,658 --> 00:44:12,657 People up in London weren't quite sure about Canvey Island. 682 00:44:12,657 --> 00:44:15,463 They'd heard about it, and it had a bit of a reputation. 683 00:44:15,463 --> 00:44:17,350 We quite consciously exploited that 684 00:44:17,350 --> 00:44:19,462 with a load of Herberts from Canvey, 685 00:44:19,462 --> 00:44:21,860 and turn up in big motors and things. 686 00:44:21,860 --> 00:44:26,496 I prefer the morose attitude, you know, just try to look and feel mean. 687 00:44:26,496 --> 00:44:30,859 It seemed inappropriate somehow to look like you were enjoying yourself. 688 00:44:30,859 --> 00:44:32,222 With your little smile... 689 00:44:32,222 --> 00:44:34,755 I don't know, what were we? Some kind of gang. 690 00:44:39,472 --> 00:44:44,346 I used to go up to London on the pub gigs after bunking half a day off school. 691 00:44:44,346 --> 00:44:47,958 You'd think there was a riot going on in the pub, you know what I mean? 692 00:44:47,958 --> 00:44:51,845 The places were small and they were just giving it as much stick as they could. 693 00:45:05,554 --> 00:45:09,122 Us lot started jumping about and climbing up the curtains and things. 694 00:45:09,122 --> 00:45:12,167 It really did bring the house down. 695 00:45:12,167 --> 00:45:18,359 People found us a bit startling, not the sort of thing you're supposed to see in a pub. All this energy. 696 00:45:18,359 --> 00:45:22,994 Obviously if you're taking people by surprise, you see the reaction, you know? 697 00:45:22,994 --> 00:45:26,381 They were just out of the Essex Estuary 698 00:45:26,381 --> 00:45:28,675 and just kicking off. 699 00:45:30,495 --> 00:45:34,766 They'd been sitting around for the last five years 700 00:45:34,766 --> 00:45:39,311 listening to stupid synthesisers and things, you know, and it's... 701 00:45:39,311 --> 00:45:43,436 Rock'n'roll's not about the Hobbit and things like that. 702 00:45:43,436 --> 00:45:45,413 That's for girls, you know? 703 00:45:45,413 --> 00:45:46,776 Children's music. 704 00:45:46,776 --> 00:45:49,173 This is for people who want to have a good time. 705 00:45:51,219 --> 00:45:53,662 A lot of it was actually quite tedious. 706 00:45:53,662 --> 00:45:55,309 Dr Feelgood, when they appeared, 707 00:45:55,309 --> 00:45:57,423 the first time I saw them, they had a buzz. 708 00:45:57,423 --> 00:46:01,365 They have short hair, they have suits on, they have ties. 709 00:46:01,365 --> 00:46:04,921 Lee Brilleaux looks like a used car salesman. 710 00:46:04,921 --> 00:46:08,864 He looks as though he should have cigarettes nailed to his lips. 711 00:46:08,864 --> 00:46:11,726 I was still working on a building site. I'd come home from work 712 00:46:11,726 --> 00:46:14,953 and the van would be waiting for me outside my house, 713 00:46:14,953 --> 00:46:18,521 and I would just have time to get changed and jump in the van. 714 00:46:20,106 --> 00:46:22,582 We basically went up to town in our working gear. 715 00:46:22,582 --> 00:46:25,162 Lee works in a solicitor's, so he had a suit on. 716 00:46:25,162 --> 00:46:27,605 A white suit, once white, as though it's been kind of 717 00:46:27,605 --> 00:46:31,399 rolled on the floor several times, as though someone's thrown up on it. 718 00:46:31,399 --> 00:46:35,569 Lee's white suit was actually quite famous. 719 00:46:35,569 --> 00:46:39,739 It featured on the back of the NME at Christmas time one year. 720 00:46:39,739 --> 00:46:42,511 He lived in that suit. 721 00:46:47,368 --> 00:46:50,698 There wasn't time to go to the cleaners. 722 00:46:50,698 --> 00:46:54,686 Well, I always gone for the black suit, this is 15 quid in Asda. 723 00:46:54,686 --> 00:46:57,401 Wilko wears a black suit, day in, day out. 724 00:46:57,401 --> 00:47:00,401 Get up in it, go to bed in it. Lee'd have his white one on. 725 00:47:00,401 --> 00:47:03,502 He'd be the one under the bonnet when the Transit blows up, 726 00:47:03,502 --> 00:47:05,570 so that's all full of crap, isn’t it? 727 00:47:05,570 --> 00:47:10,161 The other two, John B Sparks and Big Figure, they kind of look more like Irish nawies. 728 00:47:10,161 --> 00:47:14,661 They were like small-town hoodlums who'd lucked out on getting a job with this outfit. 729 00:47:14,661 --> 00:47:19,591 The one you'd really see would be John B Sparks in a wedding suit, with big wide lapels. 730 00:47:19,591 --> 00:47:25,398 Pretty broad, flared trousers, stack-heel boots. 731 00:47:25,398 --> 00:47:29,056 It's what you call a bastard suit! 732 00:47:29,056 --> 00:47:31,783 Couldn't have been a less glamorous rhythm section. 733 00:47:35,698 --> 00:47:38,560 That first time that I went to the Kensington, 734 00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:41,947 it was absolutely heaving, and beer flying all over the place. 735 00:47:41,947 --> 00:47:45,650 There's this one guy who was really moving around 736 00:47:45,650 --> 00:47:50,388 and kind of dancing and knocking people over, and he turned out to be Jake Riviera. 737 00:47:53,140 --> 00:47:55,389 I can remember they were tremendous. 738 00:47:55,389 --> 00:47:58,582 Everyone was interested, because the word was out. 739 00:47:58,582 --> 00:48:01,162 There's this bunch of kids from Canvey Island 740 00:48:01,162 --> 00:48:02,286 who were really red hot. 741 00:48:07,762 --> 00:48:09,909 Most of what we played was cover stuff. 742 00:48:09,909 --> 00:48:14,363 They realised they had to write their own material to take it to another stage. 743 00:48:14,363 --> 00:48:17,737 There was a song called She Does It Right. It had this riff, er... 744 00:48:22,222 --> 00:48:24,472 ♫ Well, if there's something that I like 745 00:48:25,926 --> 00:48:27,665 ♫ It's the way that woman walk 746 00:48:28,733 --> 00:48:30,562 ♫ If there's something I like better 747 00:48:31,629 --> 00:48:33,651 ♫ Is the way she baby talks 748 00:48:33,651 --> 00:48:35,104 ♫ She does it right 749 00:48:37,165 --> 00:48:38,199 ♫ She does it right 750 00:48:40,951 --> 00:48:43,859 ♫ She works hard every night just to make me feel all right 751 00:48:43,859 --> 00:48:47,609 ♫ She told me not to worry Cos there ain't a single trouble in sight 752 00:48:51,728 --> 00:48:53,511 ♫ You ought to see her jerk 753 00:48:54,434 --> 00:48:57,116 ♫ You ought to see her walk on the floor 754 00:48:57,116 --> 00:48:58,990 ♫ And when she gets back to her seat 755 00:49:00,111 --> 00:49:01,986 ♫ All the people cry for more 756 00:49:03,576 --> 00:49:05,394 ♫ She does it right 757 00:49:05,394 --> 00:49:07,791 ♫ She does it right 758 00:49:08,819 --> 00:49:11,818 ♫ She works hard every night just to make me feel all right 759 00:49:11,818 --> 00:49:15,000 ♫ She told me not to worry Cos there ain't a single trouble in sight. ♫ 760 00:49:21,551 --> 00:49:25,494 I would write songs, definitely kind of imagining Lee's voice. 761 00:49:25,494 --> 00:49:27,516 They were written for him. 762 00:49:30,975 --> 00:49:35,930 Couldn't have, er, too much poetry or anything like that. 763 00:49:35,930 --> 00:49:37,725 I don't really like poetry. 764 00:49:38,696 --> 00:49:39,968 Aaaaaaaaahhhhh! 765 00:49:39,968 --> 00:49:42,831 Lee would be quite happy just to sing an old classic. 766 00:49:42,831 --> 00:49:46,581 He weren't into art, was he? Scorn not the sonnet, critic. 767 00:49:46,581 --> 00:49:50,944 What we're singing about is bad luck, a lot of the time, but I think most blues singers 768 00:49:50,944 --> 00:49:54,499 have got their tongue very firmly placed in their cheek. 769 00:49:54,499 --> 00:49:57,362 They're almost saying, ‘All right, this is a lousy deal, 770 00:49:57,362 --> 00:49:59,657 ‘but it'll be all right at the end of the day. 771 00:49:59,657 --> 00:50:02,475 'Let's have a good time anyway, get drunk and forget it. 772 00:50:02,475 --> 00:50:08,338 In those days, and up until. . early middle age, I was very strictly teetotal. 773 00:50:08,338 --> 00:50:12,133 The very word pub has bad associations for me. 774 00:50:12,133 --> 00:50:17,813 We shouldn't forget that although Wilko doesn't drink, Lee really consumes huge amounts. 775 00:50:17,813 --> 00:50:23,154 When you see Lee sweating on stage, you realise there's beer coming out of him! 776 00:50:28,718 --> 00:50:31,341 Wilko would just seem to look into the eyes 777 00:50:31,341 --> 00:50:36,306 of every single person in the audience, and almost hypnotise them. 778 00:50:36,306 --> 00:50:41,977 A lot of the time, actually, I'm just gazing into middle distance, I don't actually see anybody. 779 00:50:41,977 --> 00:50:45,771 If you gaze into middle distance, everybody thinks you've looked at them. 780 00:50:45,771 --> 00:50:49,430 A little trick I learned when I was a schoolteacher. just go like that. 781 00:50:49,430 --> 00:50:52,101 They all think you're looking at them, but you're not. 782 00:50:52,101 --> 00:50:54,214 That stare was quite frightening. 783 00:50:54,214 --> 00:50:58,428 Wilko's eyes were a very important factor of Dr Feelgood. Were they big? 784 00:50:58,428 --> 00:51:00,587 Yeah, they're extremely big. 785 00:51:00,587 --> 00:51:06,019 It was scary, and I think that scariness is what appealed 786 00:51:06,019 --> 00:51:09,961 to a young audience, and out of that young audience 787 00:51:09,961 --> 00:51:12,495 came a shit load of punk groups. 788 00:51:12,495 --> 00:51:15,301 You can see that bands would come and check us out. 789 00:51:15,301 --> 00:51:19,664 They put on a show. It didn't look like they was acting, they just went for it. 790 00:51:19,664 --> 00:51:22,243 Got the hairs on the back of your neck going. 791 00:51:22,243 --> 00:51:25,435 We met Johnny Rotten and people like that. Yeah, they were fans. 792 00:51:25,435 --> 00:51:28,105 joe Strummer goes along to the Windsor Castle. 793 00:51:28,105 --> 00:51:32,275 He looks in the window, and he is riveted by what he sees. 794 00:51:35,264 --> 00:51:40,468 Dr Feelgood were just like a machine of intense proportion. 795 00:51:40,468 --> 00:51:45,718 Few groups have ever rivalled Dr Feelgood at their most intense. 796 00:51:45,718 --> 00:51:47,638 It's an epiphany for him. 797 00:51:47,638 --> 00:51:51,297 He goes out and buys the same guitar for when he forms The 101'ers. 798 00:51:51,297 --> 00:51:56,830 He'd seen us, what we were doing, and I think it galvanised his ideas about what he was trying to do. 799 00:51:56,830 --> 00:52:01,704 No attempt to try and dress themselves up as celebrities 800 00:52:01,704 --> 00:52:05,646 and enjoying some kind of privileged lifestyle. In fact, quite the opposite. 801 00:52:05,646 --> 00:52:08,930 Had anybody done that before? I'm not sure if they had. 802 00:52:08,930 --> 00:52:12,031 They were punk before punk, weren't they? 803 00:52:12,031 --> 00:52:15,213 The pub rock scene was very small, sweaty clubs, 804 00:52:15,213 --> 00:52:19,394 lots of people drinking and smoking fags, and it was free, most places. 805 00:52:19,394 --> 00:52:22,485 And each different pub had its own group of people. 806 00:52:22,485 --> 00:52:26,370 They would be a bunch of bricklaying gangs that were in there, 807 00:52:26,370 --> 00:52:31,290 who were absolutely riveted. Faces were in the crowd. 808 00:52:31,290 --> 00:52:32,938 There was a buzz going on. 809 00:52:32,938 --> 00:52:36,074 This taxi pulls up, and people getting out of the taxi. 810 00:52:36,074 --> 00:52:41,425 I'm thinking, ‘Bloody hell, man, people who can afford to ride in taxis are coming to see us!‘ 811 00:52:41,425 --> 00:52:43,254 You know, so we're making it, you know! 812 00:52:43,254 --> 00:52:48,640 Lady Diana was a regular. She would come to the Feelgood shows when we played the Kensington, 813 00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:51,503 with her three flatmates who had a place around the corner. 814 00:52:51,503 --> 00:52:57,081 And all of a sudden someone would say, ‘You know, that bloke who's here, that's John Mortimer.‘ 815 00:52:57,081 --> 00:52:59,046 I didn't know who John Mortimer was. 816 00:52:59,046 --> 00:53:02,944 After the seventh week I said to this landlord, 817 00:53:02,944 --> 00:53:04,955 ‘Are you happy enough with everything?‘ 818 00:53:04,955 --> 00:53:06,091 And he said, 819 00:53:06,091 --> 00:53:08,954 ‘I want Dr Feelgood playing at this venue 820 00:53:08,954 --> 00:53:12,794 ‘until such time as they are out in the big field. 821 00:53:12,794 --> 00:53:15,374 ‘Cos I know this band is going places.‘ 822 00:53:15,374 --> 00:53:17,953 We were on our way. 823 00:53:17,953 --> 00:53:20,953 The sort of lower part of the sky was the limit. 824 00:53:23,476 --> 00:53:27,646 And the NME put Dr Feelgood on the cover before they'd even got a deal. 825 00:53:27,646 --> 00:53:30,452 This caused a tremendous furore in the music business. 826 00:53:30,452 --> 00:53:34,485 How can you put a group on the cover of the NME who haven't got a deal?! 827 00:53:34,485 --> 00:53:37,212 The Feelgoods were made for the music papers. 828 00:53:37,212 --> 00:53:41,530 They got acres and acres of press. Which was soon to become the darlings of the press. 829 00:53:41,530 --> 00:53:44,905 Editors of NME and Melody Maker, scuttling all around London 830 00:53:44,905 --> 00:53:48,097 trying to find the seediest pub with the seediest band playing in it. 831 00:53:48,097 --> 00:53:52,550 They started saying, ‘Where are you from?‘ ‘Canvey Island.‘ 'Where's that?‘ 832 00:53:52,550 --> 00:53:55,460 ‘This funny little place in the Thames Estuary.‘ 833 00:53:55,460 --> 00:54:00,334 We brought a journalist from the NME down and he'd say, ‘Look, here it is.‘ 834 00:54:00,334 --> 00:54:04,050 The wow factor would be very strong on that. 835 00:54:04,050 --> 00:54:09,253 It had a certain romance to it. We saw that was a worker, and we used it. 836 00:54:09,253 --> 00:54:13,378 And we used to say that there was this great oil scene going on here, 837 00:54:13,378 --> 00:54:16,183 and it's an ugly existence, and that's what's making us 838 00:54:16,183 --> 00:54:18,660 want to crawl out and make our way in the world. 839 00:54:18,660 --> 00:54:21,853 We went down to Canvey Island, because that's where they were from. 840 00:54:21,853 --> 00:54:24,523 We thought it would be a lost island of rhythm and blues. 841 00:54:24,523 --> 00:54:28,556 It was a lost island - a lost island of gasometers, and wasteland. 842 00:54:28,556 --> 00:54:30,487 I think we did a good PR exercise. 843 00:54:30,487 --> 00:54:34,748 Thousands of tourists flood here from the four corners of the earth. 844 00:54:34,748 --> 00:54:38,919 This is Canvey Heights behind us, which used to be Canvey refuge tip. 845 00:54:38,919 --> 00:54:43,657 I love it, because all of a sudden we've got a bit of altitude on Canvey Island. 846 00:54:43,657 --> 00:54:47,407 We've now got a 15 metre hill to climb up. 847 00:54:47,407 --> 00:54:50,304 There's very much a sense of them coming from Canvey Island. 848 00:54:50,304 --> 00:54:53,871 I think it's quite important to their mythology. 849 00:54:53,871 --> 00:54:56,166 It is the sort of perfect backdrop for them. 850 00:54:56,166 --> 00:55:01,518 It's almost a seaside town, but it's so completely busted and broken. 851 00:55:03,567 --> 00:55:06,987 Wilko's very good at painting pictures of Canvey 852 00:55:06,987 --> 00:55:10,179 being like the Mississippi Delta. 853 00:55:10,179 --> 00:55:12,008 The Thames Delta, that's it! 854 00:55:12,008 --> 00:55:15,099 Yeah, you thought you were going to Mississippi or somewhere. 855 00:55:15,099 --> 00:55:19,223 He would liken the mud flats and the little inlets and the creeks 856 00:55:19,223 --> 00:55:23,109 to the sort of place where maybe somebody like Muddy Waters had played. 857 00:55:23,109 --> 00:55:25,507 When you get this thing Oil City, 858 00:55:25,507 --> 00:55:29,392 you see the flame burning down there, the stacks, the towers. 859 00:55:29,392 --> 00:55:34,085 I always used to think of it as Babylon. I babble on about Babylon frequently. 860 00:55:34,085 --> 00:55:39,846 You see this beautiful oil refinery in the night time, you see the flame burning, all the lights. 861 00:55:39,846 --> 00:55:43,925 In the morning you would look across the room and you'd see the refinery there, 862 00:55:43,925 --> 00:55:47,311 and a kind of blue, misty light. It looked wonderful. 863 00:55:47,311 --> 00:55:52,276 You were standing there and looking across to this sort of celestial city... Shell haven, really. 864 00:55:54,990 --> 00:55:57,796 ♫ Stand and watch the towers burning at the break of day 865 00:56:00,693 --> 00:56:04,078 ♫ Steadily slowing down On my feet since yesterday 866 00:56:06,833 --> 00:56:09,834 ♫ Gotta get a move on to try to find a man I know 867 00:56:12,825 --> 00:56:16,006 ♫ Money in my pocket Looking for a place to go 868 00:56:16,006 --> 00:56:18,779 ♫ That's what I've been doing baby 869 00:56:18,779 --> 00:56:21,255 ♫ I've been searching all through the city 870 00:56:21,255 --> 00:56:24,584 ♫ See you in the morning down by the jetty... ♫ 871 00:56:30,532 --> 00:56:33,906 Everything looked good. Our form was good, and our pedigrees were good 872 00:56:33,906 --> 00:56:36,394 but we couldn't get a deal, not that easily. 873 00:56:37,701 --> 00:56:40,235 And then all of a sudden we were signed up. 874 00:56:40,235 --> 00:56:43,370 Andrew Lauder from United Artists Records signed us. 875 00:56:43,370 --> 00:56:45,484 I've got a heart! 876 00:56:45,484 --> 00:56:50,266 We were given completely free reign and allowed to make our own mistakes. 877 00:56:50,266 --> 00:56:53,266 ♫ I've been searching all through the city 878 00:56:53,266 --> 00:56:56,266 ♫ See you in the morning down by the jetty 879 00:56:57,808 --> 00:56:59,547 I've got this Muddy Waters album. 880 00:56:59,547 --> 00:57:04,478 He's coming down a wooden step. I love this picture, and thought, I want a picture like that, 881 00:57:04,478 --> 00:57:07,239 that we could have a picture on the sea wall there. 882 00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:11,409 When we come and take the pictures, we'd done a gig in London that night 883 00:57:11,409 --> 00:57:13,761 and we all come to Canvey in the van, 884 00:57:13,761 --> 00:57:17,374 and we were all soaking wet still from the gig 885 00:57:17,374 --> 00:57:20,465 and we come up to the lobster smack, where these jetties are. 886 00:57:20,465 --> 00:57:23,555 Four o'clock in the morning, and Lee fell asleep, just about there. 887 00:57:23,555 --> 00:57:25,907 I think I... What was it, 1974, 888 00:57:25,907 --> 00:57:29,793 I think I slept about three times that year. 889 00:57:31,100 --> 00:57:35,179 And this photographer, he took a couple of black and white ones, 890 00:57:35,179 --> 00:57:40,201 and then we started posing around and he's got these lovely colour prints, didn't he? 891 00:57:40,201 --> 00:57:43,848 But these black and white ones were all like... They were the ones. 892 00:57:43,848 --> 00:57:46,949 They were the kiddies. They turned up the studio, 893 00:57:46,949 --> 00:57:50,085 he's got these beautiful colour prints. 894 00:57:50,085 --> 00:57:54,676 He comes in, he said, ‘Look at these,‘ and you spilt coffee right on them, didn't you? 895 00:57:54,676 --> 00:57:57,312 A cooler cafe! 896 00:58:01,556 --> 00:58:05,544 The main tour in the UK which broke us was the Naughty Rhythms tour. 897 00:58:07,508 --> 00:58:10,553 It was a 40-odd day concert tour, right around the country. 898 00:58:10,553 --> 00:58:14,825 There was no looking back for the Feelgoods after that. 899 00:58:14,825 --> 00:58:16,279 Keep going. Keep going! 900 00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:21,986 Record companies signing bands, they think, they work in clubs, 901 00:58:21,986 --> 00:58:24,235 what will they be like when they're on a big stage? 902 00:58:24,235 --> 00:58:26,872 We couldn't wait for that. We want room to move. 903 00:58:35,241 --> 00:58:41,137 Lee was the nucleus, he was this solidity in the centre of the stage, 904 00:58:41,137 --> 00:58:46,159 who provided a kind of gravitational force for Wilko, 905 00:58:46,159 --> 00:58:48,783 who'd move about the stage quite frenetically, 906 00:58:48,783 --> 00:58:53,567 sometimes being drawn towards Lee, sometimes shooting off. 907 00:58:53,567 --> 00:58:59,372 It was like two planets that would occasionally collide. 908 00:59:05,170 --> 00:59:10,000 It was a very good rapport between Wilko and I. I think we were a good foils for each other. 909 00:59:18,751 --> 00:59:21,796 Like bullfighting, you know, it's just that, peacocking, 910 00:59:21,796 --> 00:59:25,125 putting their chests out and dancing for each other. Come on, take me on. 911 00:59:33,599 --> 00:59:37,155 Lee Brilleaux's presence, the way that he wore a suit and jutted his jaw, 912 00:59:37,155 --> 00:59:39,779 for boys that wanted a hard-on and couldn't admit to it, 913 00:59:39,779 --> 00:59:42,597 that'd be Lee Brilleaux doing it for them. 914 00:59:44,741 --> 00:59:48,127 I really don't understand any of it. 915 00:59:53,449 --> 00:59:56,221 The way Wilko moves around stage is phenomenal. 916 00:59:56,221 --> 00:59:58,368 I could never figure how he did those moves. 917 00:59:58,368 --> 01:00:00,618 The original amphetamine kid. 918 01:00:00,618 --> 01:00:04,083 Skittering across stage. Scuttling all around London. 919 01:00:04,083 --> 01:00:06,764 Whizzling around on these psychedelic tram lines, 920 01:00:06,764 --> 01:00:10,514 scattering across in front of Lee, who took no notice of him. 921 01:00:10,514 --> 01:00:12,912 The charisma of that, you cannot buy in shops. 922 01:00:12,912 --> 01:00:14,786 Who invented that term, skittering? 923 01:00:14,786 --> 01:00:17,558 Skittering? You'll find it in the OED, 924 01:00:17,558 --> 01:00:19,956 I believe the first recorded example... 925 01:00:19,956 --> 01:00:22,432 It's in William Langland's Piers Plowman, 926 01:00:22,432 --> 01:00:27,499 when the character of Gluttony is said to skitter across the pasture looking for food. 927 01:00:27,499 --> 01:00:28,999 Skitter. 928 01:00:32,691 --> 01:00:34,804 It... Well, it says here "Diarrhoea." 929 01:00:34,804 --> 01:00:37,338 'Looseness or laxity of the bowels. ' 930 01:00:37,338 --> 01:00:38,418 There's another one. 931 01:00:38,418 --> 01:00:43,338 ‘A light skipping movement or the sound caused by this.‘ 932 01:00:43,338 --> 01:00:48,633 I was just trying to express myself and I realised it looked a bit deranged. 933 01:00:53,493 --> 01:00:58,515 In Wilko's stage persona there was an element of possible psychosis. 934 01:00:58,515 --> 01:01:03,571 He was almost in a kind of angry revolt against his own life. 935 01:01:03,571 --> 01:01:08,775 You felt that this man, in his struggle with these demons, 936 01:01:08,775 --> 01:01:13,558 was entitled to be on the edge of madness because he was engaged in such an epic struggle, 937 01:01:13,558 --> 01:01:17,682 and it was a perfect parallel to somebody working in a small town job 938 01:01:17,682 --> 01:01:20,784 that they are completely frustrated by. 939 01:01:20,784 --> 01:01:23,965 Is it an expression of urban angst or something? Maybe. 940 01:01:23,965 --> 01:01:28,045 But I don't think you necessarily have to see anything like that in it. 941 01:01:31,146 --> 01:01:35,963 And there was a big groundswell of fervour around the Feelgoods. 942 01:01:35,963 --> 01:01:39,486 1975, I think, being their breakthrough year. 943 01:01:41,115 --> 01:01:46,080 Mr Brilleaux, Melody Maker has you on the 18 Best Names to Watch. 944 01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:49,034 How do you feel about that? 945 01:01:49,034 --> 01:01:50,682 Well, they're right, I hope. 946 01:01:50,682 --> 01:01:54,476 It probably means we're not a name to watch now it's in the Melody Maker! 947 01:01:54,476 --> 01:01:57,533 Do you have something to say about it? No, it's been said. 948 01:01:57,533 --> 01:01:59,680 You realise you've actually got a following. 949 01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:03,396 You're going out in front of bigger audiences, realising that all these people, 950 01:02:03,396 --> 01:02:05,509 They're wearing a nice black suit. 951 01:02:05,509 --> 01:02:10,520 They feel like part of it and you start to feel like a star. 952 01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:12,020 Shhhhh! 953 01:02:12,020 --> 01:02:14,236 And it's a pretty good feeling. 954 01:02:16,613 --> 01:02:20,828 Back to the studio again for Dr Feelgood. This is great, this is Keep It Out Of Sight. 955 01:02:20,828 --> 01:02:22,056 ♫ You movin' up 956 01:02:24,622 --> 01:02:27,848 ♫ Man, the place is getting hot, yeah 957 01:02:27,848 --> 01:02:29,348 ♫ You just can't lose, baby 958 01:02:30,664 --> 01:02:33,846 ♫ With all that stuff that you got 959 01:02:36,187 --> 01:02:40,027 ♫ You know the people understand you got a reputation 960 01:02:40,027 --> 01:02:42,334 ♫ You don't wanna argue, fuss and fight 961 01:02:42,334 --> 01:02:45,391 ♫ Keep it out of sight, yeah 962 01:02:45,391 --> 01:02:47,504 ♫ You keep it out of sight... ♫ 963 01:02:47,504 --> 01:02:50,968 Wilko thought when we do the second album we could have a go 964 01:02:50,968 --> 01:02:55,048 at doing it ourselves, which we did, and we think Malpractice is quite a good album. 965 01:02:56,540 --> 01:02:59,403 ♫ I wanna live 966 01:02:59,403 --> 01:03:01,425 ♫ The way I like 967 01:03:01,425 --> 01:03:03,959 ♫ Sleep all the morning 968 01:03:03,959 --> 01:03:07,662 ♫ Go and get my fun at night 969 01:03:07,662 --> 01:03:09,263 ♫ Things ain't like that here 970 01:03:10,288 --> 01:03:15,254 ♫ Working just to keep my payments clear 971 01:03:18,806 --> 01:03:21,476 ♫ Bought a brand new motor 972 01:03:21,476 --> 01:03:24,612 ♫ And I'm waiting for a loan 973 01:03:24,612 --> 01:03:26,828 ♫ So I can fill her up and start her 974 01:03:26,828 --> 01:03:29,725 ♫ And I go back home... ♫ 975 01:03:53,131 --> 01:03:56,266 Sometime in '75 I went to the UK for the first time, 976 01:03:56,266 --> 01:03:57,721 saw Dr Feelgood. 977 01:03:57,721 --> 01:04:01,618 I bought back the second album, Malpractice. 978 01:04:01,618 --> 01:04:05,084 We were having a party at our rehearsal loft over here on the Bowery. 979 01:04:05,084 --> 01:04:09,822 Everyone that was involved in the whole New York rock scene was at the party, pretty much, 980 01:04:09,822 --> 01:04:14,604 whether it be Johnny Thunders, the Ramones, or Blondie, Richard Hell, all the bands. 981 01:04:14,604 --> 01:04:19,343 We put on that Malpractice record, and it never really left the turntable the whole night. 982 01:04:19,343 --> 01:04:22,717 Everyone went nuts for that record. 983 01:04:22,717 --> 01:04:24,694 We were pretty big all over. 984 01:04:24,694 --> 01:04:29,716 France, Germany, Spain, Switzerland, all of Scandinavia. 985 01:04:29,716 --> 01:04:33,840 The most magnificent gig I think we played was in Orange, in France. 986 01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:35,817 We'd flown in by private aircraft. 987 01:04:35,817 --> 01:04:38,624 It was our first time in a chartered plane, 988 01:04:38,625 --> 01:04:42,090 and we were flying to Orange in France to play in a Roman amphitheatre. 989 01:04:42,090 --> 01:04:44,431 We were in this plane, all very excited, 990 01:04:44,431 --> 01:04:47,669 and Wilko decided he was going to fly the plane. 991 01:04:47,669 --> 01:04:50,578 It's a four-engine plane, it's a Handley Page Heron. 992 01:04:50,578 --> 01:04:52,725 The next thing we know he's in the cockpit. 993 01:04:52,725 --> 01:04:55,634 I'd just taken it off from Avignon. 994 01:04:55,634 --> 01:05:00,224 I was just about at the top of my trajectory. 995 01:05:00,224 --> 01:05:03,088 And I knew he was out of his brains. 996 01:05:03,088 --> 01:05:05,201 And the pilot lets him fly. 997 01:05:05,201 --> 01:05:09,893 I'd just got a camera, so I went in and tapped him on the shoulder and I took this picture of him. 998 01:05:09,893 --> 01:05:13,596 I started mugging to the camera. Still flying, right. 999 01:05:13,596 --> 01:05:17,119 Do you want that person flying you round the world? You don't. 1000 01:05:17,119 --> 01:05:23,026 We were all cramming in vodka and tonics cos he thought it was funny to sort of fly around. 1001 01:05:23,026 --> 01:05:24,345 Rock'n'roll! 1002 01:05:24,345 --> 01:05:27,764 Yeah. Oh, you're gonna loop the loop, are you? Not with me in it. 1003 01:05:27,764 --> 01:05:30,718 We made a statement to the pilot, and said ‘Enough of this.‘ 1004 01:05:30,718 --> 01:05:34,661 Let's strap him in his chair. Do you have any straight jackets on board? 1005 01:05:34,661 --> 01:05:36,547 I know what I'm doing, you see! 1006 01:05:39,764 --> 01:05:41,741 We were alight that night. 1007 01:05:41,741 --> 01:05:46,763 We hit the stage and everything sounded fantastic, the drums sounded like canons. 1008 01:05:46,763 --> 01:05:49,899 And the sun was just going down, the light was just perfect. 1009 01:05:54,531 --> 01:05:57,860 That was the best I'd ever heard the band. 1010 01:05:57,860 --> 01:06:00,257 And that cracked us in France. 1011 01:06:00,257 --> 01:06:02,325 ♫ I'm going back down 1012 01:06:04,183 --> 01:06:06,625 ♫ Back to Oil City soon 1013 01:06:08,775 --> 01:06:11,502 ♫ I'll bring back my second cousin 1014 01:06:12,849 --> 01:06:15,803 ♫ Let her join the conker room 1015 01:06:17,434 --> 01:06:19,592 ♫ I'm a man 1016 01:06:21,837 --> 01:06:25,121 ♫ I spell M... 1017 01:06:26,510 --> 01:06:28,861 ♫A... 1018 01:06:30,914 --> 01:06:33,357 ♫N... 1019 01:06:35,408 --> 01:06:37,749 ♫Man...♫ 1020 01:06:40,601 --> 01:06:44,589 If you'd been dreaming about becoming a pop star, or a footballer, or anything, 1021 01:06:44,589 --> 01:06:51,190 all your youth and teenage years, it's almost impossible for it not to have an effect. 1022 01:06:51,190 --> 01:06:53,531 Lee lived very modestly. 1023 01:06:53,531 --> 01:06:57,190 I'm sure he enjoyed the fame and all that came with it, 1024 01:06:57,190 --> 01:06:59,393 but he kept a level head, I think. 1025 01:06:59,393 --> 01:07:02,166 I think Wilko really enjoyed it, 1026 01:07:02,166 --> 01:07:05,120 and he was gonna enjoy it, and he did enjoy it. 1027 01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:09,903 We had a lot of difficult times with him. He was different from us in his social habits. 1028 01:07:09,903 --> 01:07:12,210 He was spending a lot of his time off of Canvey, 1029 01:07:12,210 --> 01:07:16,289 more so than the rest of us. We did tend to see less of him, yeah. 1030 01:07:17,821 --> 01:07:22,093 What happens invariably is one member of the group 1031 01:07:22,093 --> 01:07:26,547 meets girl in London, and that group member starts living in London. 1032 01:07:26,547 --> 01:07:30,763 In the case of the Feelgoods, Wilko was the guy who has taken off. 1033 01:07:31,790 --> 01:07:35,540 We didn't set out to be stars, but when that started happening, 1034 01:07:35,540 --> 01:07:38,028 you walk into a place and everybody's looking. 1035 01:07:38,028 --> 01:07:39,903 I mean, that feels good. 1036 01:07:39,903 --> 01:07:41,834 You just walk along, you keep very cool. 1037 01:07:43,366 --> 01:07:47,218 You know. But all the time, of course, you're really on stage. 1038 01:07:47,218 --> 01:07:52,467 You can't go out for the evening and be one of the chaps, you're posing away there. 1039 01:07:52,467 --> 01:07:56,773 When I've seen the stars and they're complaining about the paparazzi - 1040 01:07:56,773 --> 01:08:00,477 leave us alone and all that - it's just bollocks, man, you love it. 1041 01:08:00,477 --> 01:08:02,261 I actually started working with them. 1042 01:08:02,261 --> 01:08:04,329 I must have been about 16, I think. 1043 01:08:04,329 --> 01:08:06,726 We were very, very rock'n'roll. 1044 01:08:06,726 --> 01:08:09,033 Whatever we could get hold of, we'd do. 1045 01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:22,456 After gigs we'd all come back to hotels, we'd end up in one room and 1046 01:08:22,456 --> 01:08:25,966 just jolly up, and didn't really seem to worry about the next day. 1047 01:08:37,294 --> 01:08:39,635 What's your name? Jan, who are you? 1048 01:08:39,635 --> 01:08:41,794 I'm the doctor, Doctor Eager. 1049 01:08:41,794 --> 01:08:43,714 How do you feel? I feel good. 1050 01:08:43,714 --> 01:08:45,407 Oh, doesn't she do it well? 1051 01:08:45,407 --> 01:08:47,520 That sounds just like the title of the group. 1052 01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:50,610 Dr Feelgood. And here they are with their brand new single, 1053 01:08:50,610 --> 01:08:51,974 called Back In The Night. 1054 01:08:56,274 --> 01:08:59,705 ♫ Back in the night 1055 01:08:59,705 --> 01:09:03,545 ♫ We laid down by the fireside 1056 01:09:03,545 --> 01:09:07,624 ♫ Back in the night 1057 01:09:07,624 --> 01:09:11,090 ♫ You shook me like a landslide 1058 01:09:11,090 --> 01:09:14,839 ♫ I nearly missed the early shift 1059 01:09:14,839 --> 01:09:18,544 ♫ Dreaming in the morning about the things that we did 1060 01:09:18,544 --> 01:09:21,781 ♫ Back in the night... ♫ 1061 01:09:21,781 --> 01:09:24,645 It's like a roller coaster that runs out of control. 1062 01:09:24,645 --> 01:09:27,121 We weren't in control of what was happening. 1063 01:09:27,121 --> 01:09:30,314 It was just all happening so fast. Put the brakes on. 1064 01:09:31,895 --> 01:09:33,678 ♫ Back in the night 1065 01:09:36,437 --> 01:09:38,175 ♫ Back in the night 1066 01:09:39,712 --> 01:09:41,633 ♫ Back in the night 1067 01:09:43,457 --> 01:09:45,343 ♫ Back in the night 1068 01:09:46,544 --> 01:09:48,339 ♫ Beneath your love light... ♫ 1069 01:09:56,519 --> 01:09:59,247 The idea that you've got to live in some ivory tower 1070 01:09:59,247 --> 01:10:01,394 and can't go out without a bodyguard, 1071 01:10:01,394 --> 01:10:03,280 people bothering you in the street, 1072 01:10:03,280 --> 01:10:06,234 that's something I wouldn't be interested in at all. 1073 01:10:06,234 --> 01:10:09,984 I'd rather quit than go through that, I don't know how other people stand it. 1074 01:10:09,984 --> 01:10:11,813 Do I want to go to String fellows? 1075 01:10:11,813 --> 01:10:14,302 I'd rather go to a dog meeting or something. 1076 01:10:19,353 --> 01:10:22,249 We're in the Grand Public House in Leigh on Sea. 1077 01:10:22,249 --> 01:10:25,112 And this is where Lee Brilleaux used to drink. 1078 01:10:25,112 --> 01:10:29,054 Nobody bothers me in the town I live in, I'm accepted, not as somebody who is well known 1079 01:10:29,054 --> 01:10:31,588 round the rest of the world or anything like that, 1080 01:10:31,588 --> 01:10:33,088 I'm accepted purely as me. 1081 01:10:33,088 --> 01:10:36,610 The vast majority think, that's that bloke in a rock'n'roll band. 1082 01:10:36,610 --> 01:10:39,473 just as if I was working in the garage around the corner. 1083 01:10:39,473 --> 01:10:42,053 I remember once when Lee came into the bar here, 1084 01:10:42,053 --> 01:10:44,916 he'd been on tour, and the Transit was stopped at the door 1085 01:10:44,916 --> 01:10:47,347 and he'd come in for a drink before he went home. 1086 01:10:47,347 --> 01:10:50,074 And he came in one day and asked for a gin and tonic. 1087 01:10:50,074 --> 01:10:51,722 And they didn't have any ice. 1088 01:10:51,722 --> 01:10:54,029 So he called for a taxi, he sent a taxi 1089 01:10:54,029 --> 01:10:56,756 down to the supermarket, come back with a bag of ice. 1090 01:10:56,756 --> 01:10:59,063 And he slammed it on the bar and said, 1091 01:10:59,063 --> 01:11:02,994 'There's your fucking ice, now give me a gin and tonic.‘ 1092 01:11:02,994 --> 01:11:05,857 He could throw a shape. He had a temper. 1093 01:11:05,857 --> 01:11:08,674 Especially if there was no ice in the dressing room. 1094 01:11:08,674 --> 01:11:10,924 Despite Lee's look of confidence, 1095 01:11:10,924 --> 01:11:13,878 inside there, there was a lack of confidence. 1096 01:11:13,878 --> 01:11:18,150 We all get over that in our own way and Lee's way 1097 01:11:18,150 --> 01:11:20,491 was to show off incredibly on stage. 1098 01:11:20,491 --> 01:11:25,558 Lee was a kind of Dickensian gentleman. 1099 01:11:25,558 --> 01:11:30,193 If there were ladies in the shop, he would stand back 1100 01:11:30,193 --> 01:11:33,284 and allow the ladies to go first if they so wished. 1101 01:11:33,284 --> 01:11:35,397 He was a complete gentleman 1102 01:11:35,397 --> 01:11:38,590 when you were out talking to him in the pub of an evening, 1103 01:11:38,590 --> 01:11:41,976 but on stage he was completely opposite, 1104 01:11:41,976 --> 01:11:44,373 like a lunatic, a madman. 1105 01:11:44,373 --> 01:11:47,180 I don't know if I'd have even recognised him. 1106 01:11:47,180 --> 01:11:51,724 He wasn't really angry, I mean, it was all an act. 1107 01:11:51,724 --> 01:11:54,678 It seemed to go over all right, didn't it? 1108 01:11:54,678 --> 01:11:58,291 Who are you, who are you, who is the real Lee? 1109 01:11:58,291 --> 01:12:01,847 I like to think that part of the real me is the part speaking to you now. 1110 01:12:01,847 --> 01:12:05,641 There is another me, which is the one that gets up on the stage and performs. 1111 01:12:05,642 --> 01:12:08,733 When I'm up on the stage I become something different, 1112 01:12:08,733 --> 01:12:10,755 something more aggressive, maybe. 1113 01:12:10,755 --> 01:12:14,788 If I carried on like that in a restaurant or a supermarket I'd soon be arrested. 1114 01:12:14,788 --> 01:12:17,459 It's a little bit like going to a wrestling match. 1115 01:12:17,459 --> 01:12:19,857 You know the wrestler is not really a monster. 1116 01:12:19,857 --> 01:12:24,265 He's not really going to hurt the other man. That's part of the fun. 1117 01:12:24,265 --> 01:12:26,742 The Feelgoods went to America. 1118 01:12:26,742 --> 01:12:30,730 They were signed over there to what was then CBS. 1119 01:12:30,730 --> 01:12:32,605 And they had a convention in San Diego. 1120 01:12:32,605 --> 01:12:34,855 We had a fantastic time! 1121 01:12:34,855 --> 01:12:38,319 It was cocktails by the pool. And we did a few little gigs. 1122 01:12:38,319 --> 01:12:43,149 We found a bar and we met a couple of dancers in there. 1123 01:12:43,149 --> 01:12:48,069 And we were having a good time, and one of the girls, her name was Suds, 1124 01:12:48,069 --> 01:12:50,978 and I said, ‘That's an interesting name, 1125 01:12:50,978 --> 01:12:52,864 ‘Suds, why are you called Suds?‘ 1126 01:12:52,864 --> 01:12:55,432 She said, ‘Cos I like to get men in a lather.‘ 1127 01:12:55,432 --> 01:12:59,794 Not something I'm really enamoured of, that nickname, 1128 01:12:59,794 --> 01:13:01,442 but yeah, people called me that. 1129 01:13:02,980 --> 01:13:05,002 And she became Mrs Brilleaux. 1130 01:13:05,002 --> 01:13:10,013 And I'll never forget it because I glanced up at this guy, 1131 01:13:10,013 --> 01:13:14,285 and he had the most intense gaze I can remember ever seeing. 1132 01:13:14,285 --> 01:13:16,865 I was slightly frightened. 1133 01:13:16,865 --> 01:13:19,727 We all ended up getting quite inebriated 1134 01:13:19,727 --> 01:13:23,010 and when it came time to leave we went out and got in the car, 1135 01:13:23,010 --> 01:13:26,431 and as we were about to drive away we realised that Lee 1136 01:13:26,431 --> 01:13:29,521 had climbed into the car with us 1137 01:13:29,521 --> 01:13:35,520 and he was kind of all contorted behind the seats. 1138 01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:39,599 We had to ask him to get out, please, and ride back with the band. 1139 01:13:42,222 --> 01:13:46,301 I went with Lee to Canvey Island after dark 1140 01:13:46,301 --> 01:13:50,186 and then the next day, when it was broad daylight, 1141 01:13:50,186 --> 01:13:54,912 it was kind of quite surprising really. 1142 01:13:54,912 --> 01:13:56,651 It was flat and bleak. 1143 01:13:56,651 --> 01:14:00,446 The parallel that I saw was that it looked so much like 1144 01:14:00,446 --> 01:14:04,240 southern Louisiana, kind of up river from New Orleans, 1145 01:14:04,240 --> 01:14:06,967 there's a refinery town called Norco. 1146 01:14:06,967 --> 01:14:09,774 I thought it looked a lot like Norco. 1147 01:14:09,774 --> 01:14:13,659 It wasn't really what I was hoping. 1148 01:14:15,765 --> 01:14:19,048 We were under pressure after the Malpractice album 1149 01:14:19,048 --> 01:14:20,878 to come up with more products. 1150 01:14:20,878 --> 01:14:23,878 Record companies are always pushing their acts for that. 1151 01:14:23,878 --> 01:14:28,240 Wilko was finding it more and more difficult to come up with the material. 1152 01:14:28,240 --> 01:14:31,150 When it came to the third album, which everybody knew 1153 01:14:31,150 --> 01:14:34,569 was going to go mental, cos they were so huge live, what have you got? 1154 01:14:34,569 --> 01:14:35,979 Nothing. 1155 01:14:35,979 --> 01:14:40,569 So it was decided by the record company with our agreement that we do a live album. 1156 01:14:40,569 --> 01:14:43,376 We had a very intense touring programme. 1157 01:14:43,376 --> 01:14:48,908 So to actually do a live recording was a kind of easy way out. 1158 01:14:50,306 --> 01:14:53,532 ♫ I can tell I can tell 1159 01:14:53,532 --> 01:14:57,054 ♫ I know you don't love me no more... ♫ 1160 01:14:59,624 --> 01:15:03,327 I didn't really have any rucks with the company or anything 1161 01:15:03,327 --> 01:15:05,349 until we came to do Stupidity. 1162 01:15:05,349 --> 01:15:09,099 I found out when they record a live concert they have their microphone 1163 01:15:09,099 --> 01:15:11,576 up against everything, the way they do in a studio. 1164 01:15:11,576 --> 01:15:13,792 Also what they have is two microphones 1165 01:15:13,792 --> 01:15:15,995 up in the middle of the hall somewhere. 1166 01:15:15,995 --> 01:15:18,723 I wanted to use that sound. 1167 01:15:18,723 --> 01:15:21,858 ♫ I know pretty baby that you put me down... ♫ 1168 01:15:23,965 --> 01:15:28,270 But the A&R guy at the company didn't like this idea. 1169 01:15:28,270 --> 01:15:32,157 He wanted us to do overdubs on it and clean it all up. 1170 01:15:32,157 --> 01:15:34,827 And I said, ‘No, if you're making a live record 1171 01:15:34,827 --> 01:15:36,326 ‘that's the way it should be. 1172 01:15:36,326 --> 01:15:39,054 ‘If you want to make a smooth record, you do it in a studio.‘ 1173 01:15:39,054 --> 01:15:41,361 Jam it! 1174 01:15:41,361 --> 01:15:44,780 It got really eyeball to eyeball with me and this A&R guy 1175 01:15:44,780 --> 01:15:47,087 but I didn't waiver. 1176 01:15:47,087 --> 01:15:51,677 He's a very powerful person. He's got means of getting his own way. 1177 01:15:51,677 --> 01:15:54,734 And the guy who was an engineer, he said to me, 1178 01:15:54,734 --> 01:15:56,938 ‘We're gotta let Wilko have his way on this 1179 01:15:56,938 --> 01:16:00,881 ‘and this record is gonna die a death, then he'll do as he's told.‘ 1180 01:16:00,881 --> 01:16:03,551 So we put the record out and it went straight to number one. 1181 01:16:03,551 --> 01:16:07,585 He didn't know whether to laugh or cry. But I felt pretty clever. 1182 01:16:07,585 --> 01:16:11,379 That night we had a huge celebration 1183 01:16:11,379 --> 01:16:15,742 in the Trust House Forte Hotel at Southampton. 1184 01:16:15,742 --> 01:16:17,105 We got so drunk 1185 01:16:17,105 --> 01:16:20,297 that we demanded to have all the tropical fish out of the tank, 1186 01:16:20,297 --> 01:16:22,444 trying to eat them and all this sort of thing. 1187 01:16:22,444 --> 01:16:25,307 The manager was going, ‘Please don't eat my fish!‘ 1188 01:16:25,307 --> 01:16:29,670 I had no idea that the band was so huge. 1189 01:16:29,670 --> 01:16:31,886 I was astounded when I got to London 1190 01:16:31,886 --> 01:16:34,318 and there were posters of them everywhere. 1191 01:16:34,318 --> 01:16:37,613 It was all about Dr Feelgood at the time. It was fantastic! 1192 01:16:41,248 --> 01:16:46,872 We went to the Odeon Hammersmith, my husband was going crazy. 1193 01:16:46,872 --> 01:16:49,600 He was as bad as all the youngsters. 1194 01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:52,224 We was so exhilarated. 1195 01:16:52,224 --> 01:16:55,189 We never went to bed all night. 1196 01:16:55,189 --> 01:16:59,121 We couldn't, we couldn't stop talking about it. 1197 01:17:02,438 --> 01:17:05,495 That show was like nothing I'd ever seen before. 1198 01:17:05,495 --> 01:17:08,301 All these kids just packed in there, it was sold out. 1199 01:17:08,302 --> 01:17:10,882 They had kind of rushed the stage 1200 01:17:10,882 --> 01:17:14,961 and were just jumping up and down and punching the air 1201 01:17:14,961 --> 01:17:19,551 and singing along with the lyrics and punching each other, 1202 01:17:19,551 --> 01:17:22,323 there was beer flying everywhere. 1203 01:17:22,323 --> 01:17:24,755 I didn't know if I was gonna get beaten up, 1204 01:17:24,755 --> 01:17:26,686 it was pure theatre to Lee 1205 01:17:26,686 --> 01:17:29,583 and he would perform songs like Cell Block Number 9. 1206 01:17:42,274 --> 01:17:44,478 That used to be a real show-stopping song. 1207 01:17:49,804 --> 01:17:53,702 ♫ October 2nd 1953 1208 01:17:54,866 --> 01:17:57,013 ♫ I was serving time 1209 01:17:57,013 --> 01:18:00,251 ♫ For armed robbery 1210 01:18:00,251 --> 01:18:05,637 ♫ 4 o'clock in the morning I was sleeping in my cell 1211 01:18:05,637 --> 01:18:10,181 ♫ I heard a whistle blow and I heard somebody yell 1212 01:18:10,181 --> 01:18:12,988 ♫ There's a riot going on... ♫ 1213 01:18:15,743 --> 01:18:18,891 At that time Wilko was doing extraordinary things on stage 1214 01:18:18,891 --> 01:18:20,811 with the guitar, like a machine gun. 1215 01:18:20,811 --> 01:18:24,890 He was effectively acting out the mowing down of the audience. 1216 01:18:27,780 --> 01:18:29,609 You would kind of laugh when he did it, 1217 01:18:29,609 --> 01:18:32,143 but it was a kind of a nervous laugh. 1218 01:18:32,143 --> 01:18:34,540 It was his catch phrase, 'It's a gun.‘ 1219 01:18:34,540 --> 01:18:36,233 You used to get wrapped up in it. 1220 01:18:46,194 --> 01:18:49,523 I used to look on Lee, Lee's there, right. 1221 01:18:49,523 --> 01:18:52,659 He's like the leader, the gang leader and I'm, I don't know, 1222 01:18:52,659 --> 01:18:54,908 I'm the guy with the machine gun. 1223 01:18:56,364 --> 01:18:57,864 I'd do whatever he says. 1224 01:19:01,186 --> 01:19:03,902 ♫ There's a riot going on 1225 01:19:07,498 --> 01:19:08,998 ♫ There's a riot going on 1226 01:19:10,924 --> 01:19:13,787 ♫ Up in cell block number 9... ♫ 1227 01:19:13,787 --> 01:19:16,787 The atmosphere was completely electric. 1228 01:19:16,787 --> 01:19:20,161 It was an amazing experience. 1229 01:19:20,161 --> 01:19:23,717 And it was completely trashed, all the seats had been ripped up 1230 01:19:23,717 --> 01:19:27,466 and destroyed and it looked like it had been hit by a bomb. 1231 01:19:29,059 --> 01:19:36,170 Dr Feelgood were the biggest group in England by the summer of 1976. 1232 01:19:36,170 --> 01:19:40,534 But they didn't know what was just around the corner. 1233 01:19:47,314 --> 01:19:50,926 We were too busy enjoying ourselves to worry about the future too much. 1234 01:19:50,926 --> 01:19:53,369 But of course at the back of our mind niggling away, 1235 01:19:53,369 --> 01:19:55,619 was, what's going to happen with the next album? 1236 01:20:04,602 --> 01:20:07,795 Wilko didn't drink. The other guys in the group 1237 01:20:07,795 --> 01:20:12,476 did develop a drinks. . .culture. 1238 01:20:14,995 --> 01:20:16,596 Legendary- 1239 01:20:16,596 --> 01:20:20,572 We had a reputation of being big drinkers. 1240 01:20:20,572 --> 01:20:22,641 From where I was standing, I think 1241 01:20:22,641 --> 01:20:25,503 that was a big divide between us and Wilko. 1242 01:20:25,503 --> 01:20:28,128 There was a big, big split in that band. 1243 01:20:28,128 --> 01:20:32,298 Some people were smoking weed, some people were taking speed. 1244 01:20:32,298 --> 01:20:34,082 Dave used to like a drink 1245 01:20:34,082 --> 01:20:37,411 and I used to like to slope off to my room and... 1246 01:20:40,502 --> 01:20:42,240 Smoked hashish? 1247 01:20:42,240 --> 01:20:45,762 I also remember being in Wilko's room 1248 01:20:45,762 --> 01:20:48,806 and him snorting a lot of speed 1249 01:20:48,806 --> 01:20:51,386 and then saying, right, I'm going to bed now. 1250 01:20:51,386 --> 01:20:53,636 What a rogue and peasant slave am I? 1251 01:20:53,636 --> 01:20:55,840 After going to America on the first tour 1252 01:20:55,840 --> 01:20:58,806 I think we really discovered alcohol in a big way then. 1253 01:20:58,806 --> 01:21:01,942 The Americans didn't really know what to make of it. 1254 01:21:01,942 --> 01:21:03,953 The only town that liked them was New York. 1255 01:21:03,953 --> 01:21:06,816 You go down Fifth Avenue in a big stretch limo 1256 01:21:06,816 --> 01:21:09,452 and there's this ton of guys with you, and you think, 1257 01:21:09,452 --> 01:21:12,314 ‘Bloody hell, this is mad, we come from Canvey Island.‘ 1258 01:21:12,314 --> 01:21:14,894 But then again, we can look New York in the face. 1259 01:21:14,894 --> 01:21:16,905 We'd done the Bottom Line in New York 1260 01:21:16,905 --> 01:21:19,155 with the Ramones opening the show for us. 1261 01:21:19,155 --> 01:21:22,905 We all went because it was sort of a big step up for the Ramones. 1262 01:21:30,579 --> 01:21:34,044 The Feelgoods had this buzz about them like the next big thing, 1263 01:21:34,044 --> 01:21:36,157 with a number one record in England. 1264 01:21:36,157 --> 01:21:37,658 Wilko really looked psycho. 1265 01:21:37,658 --> 01:21:40,099 That was another attractive thing. 1266 01:21:45,376 --> 01:21:46,706 The air of danger he exuded 1267 01:21:46,706 --> 01:21:50,785 was something that we could all relate to here in New York. 1268 01:21:50,785 --> 01:21:54,204 They did seem like thugs, like gangsters. 1269 01:21:54,204 --> 01:21:56,216 Maybe they really were, I don't know! 1270 01:21:56,216 --> 01:22:00,204 Even though Lee Brilleaux had an incredible presence on stage, 1271 01:22:00,204 --> 01:22:03,011 it was sort of Wilko that was stealing the limelight 1272 01:22:03,011 --> 01:22:06,202 with his manic guitar stage moves and zipping all around. 1273 01:22:06,202 --> 01:22:09,668 I remember we tried to talk to Wilko. We were telling them how great they were, 1274 01:22:09,669 --> 01:22:12,249 but he wasn't interested in hearing how great he was. 1275 01:22:12,249 --> 01:22:15,055 You'd get very sleepy, and you just. .. 1276 01:22:15,055 --> 01:22:18,145 Oh, then you've gotta go on stage, and you just want to curl up 1277 01:22:18,145 --> 01:22:21,008 and go to sleep, and I wish everyone would leave me alone. 1278 01:22:21,008 --> 01:22:25,041 He was very stand-offish, I don't remember there being much, if any, 1279 01:22:25,041 --> 01:22:27,291 interaction between Lee and Wilko. 1280 01:22:27,291 --> 01:22:31,790 And I do have a series of photographs I took of Wilko 1281 01:22:31,790 --> 01:22:34,233 sitting in the bar at the Gramersea Hotel, 1282 01:22:34,233 --> 01:22:38,222 looking extremely moody, gazing out the window away from everyone. 1283 01:22:38,222 --> 01:22:41,596 And while we were trying to immerse ourselves in American culture, 1284 01:22:41,596 --> 01:22:44,368 Wilko would stay in his room, ostensibly to write songs. 1285 01:22:44,368 --> 01:22:45,958 Doing what in reality? 1286 01:22:45,958 --> 01:22:49,935 Taking speed, or complaining, or on the phone to someone, I think. 1287 01:22:49,935 --> 01:22:53,173 I don't know, I wasn't there. I tried not to be there. 1288 01:22:53,173 --> 01:22:55,980 He'd often get very depressed about something, and say, 1289 01:22:55,981 --> 01:22:59,083 ‘Oh, I don't want to do it, the whole thing's a load of shit, 1290 01:22:59,083 --> 01:23:00,627 ‘this whole business stinks.‘ 1291 01:23:00,627 --> 01:23:01,956 And he's perfectly right. 1292 01:23:01,956 --> 01:23:04,910 My philosophy is to laugh at it, but his is different. 1293 01:23:04,910 --> 01:23:06,501 He'd be all right for five minutes 1294 01:23:06,501 --> 01:23:10,534 and then he'd just disappear and become very distant and sulky, 1295 01:23:10,534 --> 01:23:14,329 throwing wobblers, and didn't really seem like the person I used to know. 1296 01:23:14,330 --> 01:23:17,000 T'is not alone, my inky cloak, good mother. 1297 01:23:18,963 --> 01:23:21,542 I did have the misery a lot of the time, 1298 01:23:21,542 --> 01:23:24,349 and I have to take a lot of blame for that. 1299 01:23:24,349 --> 01:23:27,916 I'm not. ..not easy to get on with, I suppose. 1300 01:23:27,916 --> 01:23:32,280 Another thing about success is that it's bad for your personality in a lot of ways, 1301 01:23:32,280 --> 01:23:34,903 because you're suddenly surrounded by people, 1302 01:23:34,903 --> 01:23:37,857 and all you've got to do is stamp your foot and throw a tantrum, 1303 01:23:37,857 --> 01:23:39,357 and you get anything you want. 1304 01:23:39,357 --> 01:23:41,187 That's terrible! 1305 01:23:41,187 --> 01:23:45,925 I was insufferable. Yeah, I know, it's embarrassing to me really. 1306 01:23:45,925 --> 01:23:50,140 There was bad feeling between me and Lee and it got heavy. 1307 01:23:50,140 --> 01:23:52,674 I mean we couldn't be in the same room together. 1308 01:23:52,674 --> 01:23:55,401 Looking at it now, why, I do not know, I do not know. 1309 01:23:55,401 --> 01:23:58,172 But it just got out of all proportion. 1310 01:23:58,172 --> 01:24:00,003 Lee talked about Wilko a lot. 1311 01:24:00,003 --> 01:24:02,071 They'd been friends but, 1312 01:24:02,071 --> 01:24:06,047 I mean, Lee was almost like a band member scorned. 1313 01:24:06,047 --> 01:24:07,978 Wilko? 1314 01:24:07,978 --> 01:24:12,431 He was sort of, well, troubled sort of person really. 1315 01:24:12,431 --> 01:24:15,567 They never knew where they were with him, 1316 01:24:15,567 --> 01:24:20,532 he walked off the stage one night and left Lee to it. 1317 01:24:20,532 --> 01:24:23,725 He run off into the broom cupboard, cried, 1318 01:24:23,725 --> 01:24:26,860 and frankly I was ready to go and beat him up! 1319 01:24:29,247 --> 01:24:32,247 I hadn't actually heard that story! 1320 01:24:32,247 --> 01:24:33,747 But I can believe it. 1321 01:24:33,747 --> 01:24:37,076 That was probably due to my own over-indulgence, 1322 01:24:37,076 --> 01:24:40,780 but, I wasn't doing it to make any point, I was terrified, 1323 01:24:40,780 --> 01:24:42,428 I didn't know where I was. 1324 01:24:42,428 --> 01:24:44,496 I came back and I finished the show. 1325 01:24:44,496 --> 01:24:49,699 I can't really even tell you how bad it was, it was awful. 1326 01:24:49,699 --> 01:24:54,812 Lee became so wrapped up in how much he disliked Wilko 1327 01:24:54,812 --> 01:24:56,823 that it was difficult for him, really, 1328 01:24:56,823 --> 01:24:58,607 to concentrate on anything else. 1329 01:24:58,607 --> 01:25:00,584 Lee was racking his brains 1330 01:25:00,584 --> 01:25:04,572 to whether they had capital punishment in the States, 1331 01:25:04,572 --> 01:25:06,583 that they would perform on him, 1332 01:25:06,583 --> 01:25:10,243 because he thought he'd go off the stage and kill him. 1333 01:25:12,106 --> 01:25:15,435 It seemed with Wilko that there was always this paranoia, 1334 01:25:15,435 --> 01:25:19,650 kind of, in the background, this faint sense of thinking that people were out to get him. 1335 01:25:21,616 --> 01:25:24,014 ♫ My mind's in neutral... ♫ 1336 01:25:24,014 --> 01:25:26,741 I guess the perception was that he had become 1337 01:25:26,741 --> 01:25:28,628 a little bit of a prima donna. 1338 01:25:28,628 --> 01:25:30,366 I mean the bloke is a genius, 1339 01:25:30,366 --> 01:25:32,899 you gotta take him as he was, good and bad. 1340 01:25:32,899 --> 01:25:35,297 There was a lot of good and bad things about him. 1341 01:25:35,297 --> 01:25:37,649 He could be a right cunt when he wanted to be. 1342 01:25:37,649 --> 01:25:41,954 Sometimes I get this bad feeling come on me and make me feel very lonely. 1343 01:25:41,954 --> 01:25:44,909 Like you'd be in a restaurant or something, having a meal, 1344 01:25:44,909 --> 01:25:47,715 and there's all the record company people and that, 1345 01:25:47,715 --> 01:25:50,577 and suddenly you get this loneliness comes on you, 1346 01:25:50,577 --> 01:25:52,555 and you just don't want to be there. 1347 01:25:52,555 --> 01:25:57,055 All you want to do is try and say to people, ‘Look, I just feel bad.‘ 1348 01:25:57,055 --> 01:26:00,337 But because you, you know, maybe you're not that close any more 1349 01:26:00,337 --> 01:26:03,247 because you've antagonised each other and things, 1350 01:26:03,247 --> 01:26:05,133 so you can't say anything at all. 1351 01:26:05,133 --> 01:26:08,178 So you sit there and you don't say nothing, and you're aware 1352 01:26:08,178 --> 01:26:11,597 that all around people are going, ‘What's the matter with him? 1353 01:26:11,597 --> 01:26:13,995 'He's not speaking, he's getting heavy.‘ 1354 01:26:13,995 --> 01:26:17,313 You look around and you realise there's a big scowl on your face. 1355 01:26:17,313 --> 01:26:20,176 And it builds up, it builds up, you think, just keep cool, 1356 01:26:20,176 --> 01:26:23,788 you're looking at the plate and it starts swimming around in front of you, 1357 01:26:23,788 --> 01:26:25,572 and you think, ‘I've got to go.‘ 1358 01:26:25,572 --> 01:26:29,094 But there are people on either side of you and you can't squeeze out. 1359 01:26:29,094 --> 01:26:31,071 And so you just smash your hand down 1360 01:26:31,071 --> 01:26:33,082 and push everybody out the way. 1361 01:26:33,082 --> 01:26:36,412 And you know, there is another psychopath story, 1362 01:26:36,412 --> 01:26:39,093 and you end up walking down the street thinking all that, 1363 01:26:39,093 --> 01:26:43,445 just cos I can't turn to anyone and say, 'I'm feeling a bit bad today!‘ 1364 01:26:50,227 --> 01:26:53,783 By this point they had been working together for six years, 1365 01:26:53,783 --> 01:26:57,635 and with Feelgoods we'd always been an intense touring band, 1366 01:26:57,635 --> 01:27:01,294 so probably over that period we'd made over 1,000 shows. 1367 01:27:01,294 --> 01:27:04,294 I think the highest amount was, I think 330 gigs one year. 1368 01:27:04,294 --> 01:27:07,339 It was incredible. Enough to kill anybody. 1369 01:27:07,339 --> 01:27:09,497 That in itself is difficult enough 1370 01:27:09,497 --> 01:27:12,689 without having to try and write songs in-between gigs. 1371 01:27:12,689 --> 01:27:18,871 Where the Feelgoods fell was when Wilko stopped writing songs, 1372 01:27:18,871 --> 01:27:21,508 or didn't evolve into a great songwriter, 1373 01:27:21,508 --> 01:27:23,949 like Jagger and Richards did. 1374 01:27:23,949 --> 01:27:27,597 And if you don't have your own material, you're fucked. 1375 01:27:29,092 --> 01:27:30,741 I also think, as well, 1376 01:27:30,741 --> 01:27:34,820 he didn't always want anyone else to write the songs. 1377 01:27:34,820 --> 01:27:36,706 Not that we were any good at it anyway. 1378 01:27:36,706 --> 01:27:40,035 Songwriting, that always affects, I suppose, 1379 01:27:40,035 --> 01:27:42,239 a lot of musicians, doesn't it? 1380 01:27:42,239 --> 01:27:45,522 Cos one of them starts making money and one don't. 1381 01:27:45,522 --> 01:27:47,635 I was always encouraging them to write, 1382 01:27:47,635 --> 01:27:50,305 but they didn't, and I think that they used to think 1383 01:27:50,305 --> 01:27:52,839 I'd turn up and go, ‘Oh, I've got this song.‘ 1384 01:27:52,839 --> 01:27:55,520 I always thought Lee should have written 1385 01:27:55,520 --> 01:27:58,054 because he was very funny, very witty. 1386 01:27:58,054 --> 01:28:01,518 That always puzzled me, why he didn't, 1387 01:28:01,518 --> 01:28:04,836 and why he couldn't, even. 1388 01:28:04,836 --> 01:28:07,836 I found myself writing some. 1389 01:28:07,836 --> 01:28:12,336 I've always been a little bit frightened that what I'd write wasn't up to scratch. 1390 01:28:12,336 --> 01:28:15,063 I was always a little overawed by Wilko's talent for it. 1391 01:28:15,063 --> 01:28:18,392 What he said was, ‘I ain't fucking Shakespeare. 1392 01:28:18,392 --> 01:28:21,392 ‘I sing them, I don't write them.‘ 1393 01:28:21,392 --> 01:28:24,528 The fourth album's coming up, and the songs had started coming, 1394 01:28:24,528 --> 01:28:27,584 writing the songs, and I thought 'It's gonna be fine.‘ 1395 01:28:27,584 --> 01:28:29,743 And then it just all... it wasn't fine. 1396 01:28:32,877 --> 01:28:34,285 Then the final row came 1397 01:28:34,285 --> 01:28:37,899 while we were making the recording of Sneaking Suspicion. 1398 01:28:40,327 --> 01:28:44,167 We were at Rockfield Studio in Wales. 1399 01:28:44,167 --> 01:28:46,326 And you kind of stayed there, you know? 1400 01:28:46,326 --> 01:28:49,610 Like we'd go into the studio in the afternoon and work through 1401 01:28:49,610 --> 01:28:52,893 till the early evening, then they would go off to the pub. 1402 01:28:52,893 --> 01:28:57,303 And I would stay up for two or three days at a time, I was writing songs. 1403 01:28:57,303 --> 01:28:59,189 Then when we come back to the recording, 1404 01:28:59,189 --> 01:29:03,359 Wilko weren't at the recording, there was a session musician called Tim Hinkley. 1405 01:29:03,359 --> 01:29:05,608 He was playing the guitar parts. 1406 01:29:05,608 --> 01:29:07,619 It just became sort of very apparent 1407 01:29:07,619 --> 01:29:10,347 that there was going to be a lot of aggro amongst them. 1408 01:29:16,846 --> 01:29:22,982 I think we were all kind of cranked up pretty tight. 1409 01:29:22,982 --> 01:29:25,981 Lee and Sparko and Chris, particularly, 1410 01:29:25,981 --> 01:29:28,709 had an aversion to the song Paradise. 1411 01:29:28,709 --> 01:29:32,413 Before the album I'm walking along in the rain on Canvey Island, 1412 01:29:32,413 --> 01:29:36,583 and I'm getting this repetitive riff in my mind, like this. 1413 01:29:40,321 --> 01:29:42,434 I wrote this song called Paradise, 1414 01:29:42,434 --> 01:29:44,502 and then suddenly a name, 1415 01:29:44,502 --> 01:29:49,752 for the first time ever, came into it, which was the name Irene. 1416 01:29:49,752 --> 01:29:52,979 It was all about. ..us. 1417 01:29:52,979 --> 01:29:54,956 ♫ Well I went out walking 1418 01:29:54,956 --> 01:29:56,978 ♫ I recall 1419 01:29:56,978 --> 01:29:58,989 ♫ Me and my best girl 1420 01:29:58,989 --> 01:30:01,898 ♫ Along the wall 1421 01:30:01,898 --> 01:30:04,193 ♫ In the long grass 1422 01:30:04,193 --> 01:30:06,545 ♫ Side by side 1423 01:30:06,545 --> 01:30:08,522 ♫ Where the big ships 1424 01:30:08,522 --> 01:30:10,953 ♫ Go gliding by 1425 01:30:10,953 --> 01:30:12,510 ♫ Go gliding by... ♫ 1426 01:30:12,510 --> 01:30:16,066 And it was a song that Wilko had written exclaiming his love 1427 01:30:16,066 --> 01:30:18,509 for two women, and not being ashamed of that. 1428 01:30:18,509 --> 01:30:21,747 And it just kind of went against the grain 1429 01:30:21,747 --> 01:30:25,542 of everything that Lee felt the Feelgoods stood for. 1430 01:30:25,542 --> 01:30:28,677 It got the straight-laced horrors about my... 1431 01:30:31,303 --> 01:30:32,622 ..concubine! 1432 01:30:32,622 --> 01:30:34,690 You know, it was the rule that, 1433 01:30:34,690 --> 01:30:40,087 no wives or girlfriends, and Wilko's girlfriend and Irene were there! 1434 01:30:40,087 --> 01:30:42,654 Which, you know, kind of put paid 1435 01:30:42,654 --> 01:30:47,482 to the rules they were attempting to set for the band. 1436 01:30:47,482 --> 01:30:49,176 None of their business, really. 1437 01:30:49,176 --> 01:30:51,198 I can't tell lies to anybody, 1438 01:30:51,198 --> 01:30:55,322 I can't go in for subterfuge and everybody knows the score. 1439 01:30:55,322 --> 01:30:56,912 ♫ I love two girls 1440 01:30:56,912 --> 01:30:59,458 ♫ I ain't ashamed 1441 01:30:59,458 --> 01:31:01,140 ♫ I ain't ashamed... ♫ 1442 01:31:01,140 --> 01:31:05,128 And one of the things they was throwing at me was 1443 01:31:05,128 --> 01:31:08,321 that it was a fucking ego trip, and I'm going... 1444 01:31:08,321 --> 01:31:09,774 'It's not! It's not.‘ 1445 01:31:09,774 --> 01:31:11,785 ♫ Thinking about what might have been 1446 01:31:11,785 --> 01:31:14,228 ♫ I love you still, Irene, Irene... ♫ 1447 01:31:18,955 --> 01:31:22,285 So I said, we've gotta finish the album, if you don't write the songs, 1448 01:31:22,285 --> 01:31:24,205 we're gonna come up with them. 1449 01:31:24,205 --> 01:31:27,102 And there was this song that Lew Lewis had given them. 1450 01:31:27,102 --> 01:31:30,567 From the day we were going to the recording studio, 1451 01:31:30,567 --> 01:31:33,203 Lew came to my house and just handed me a song 1452 01:31:33,203 --> 01:31:37,327 that was scribbled on a bit of paper, called Lucky Seven. 1453 01:31:40,503 --> 01:31:43,695 They had gone into the studio and bashed out a song. 1454 01:31:43,695 --> 01:31:45,707 Now, I didn't like it. 1455 01:31:45,707 --> 01:31:47,866 Right, I've got to say, I didn't like it. 1456 01:31:47,866 --> 01:31:49,456 He said it wasn't Dr Feelgood. 1457 01:31:49,456 --> 01:31:51,195 I do remember thinking to myself, 1458 01:31:51,195 --> 01:31:55,228 'He ain't the only one that's got a right to define what Dr Feelgood is about. ' 1459 01:31:55,228 --> 01:32:00,057 They thought that Lucky Seven was a better song, and Wilko stood his guns, ‘I want my song.‘ 1460 01:32:00,057 --> 01:32:03,569 And there was a big split about these songs, which one is going on the LP. 1461 01:32:03,569 --> 01:32:07,648 It was night, I was about to crash out and they turn up from the pub. 1462 01:32:10,918 --> 01:32:12,475 Figure wasn't there. 1463 01:32:12,475 --> 01:32:14,304 Figure never once set any trouble. 1464 01:32:14,304 --> 01:32:16,134 Sparko's an easy going guy. 1465 01:32:16,134 --> 01:32:18,713 So it was me and Lee. 1466 01:32:20,488 --> 01:32:23,578 So you're saying that when an irresistible force 1467 01:32:23,578 --> 01:32:26,384 meets an immovable object, something's got to give? 1468 01:32:26,384 --> 01:32:29,771 Maybe I was cutting off my nose to spite my face, but I was thinking, 1469 01:32:29,771 --> 01:32:33,100 'It's sink or swim, you've got to make a stand once in a while.‘ 1470 01:32:34,634 --> 01:32:37,270 They were taking it one-by-one to argue with me. 1471 01:32:38,808 --> 01:32:41,899 But they were talking about things they didn't like, 1472 01:32:41,899 --> 01:32:45,978 and it got to some point, I'm going, ‘While you're talking about things we don't like, 1473 01:32:45,978 --> 01:32:48,319 ‘I don't like that fucking song you've done!‘ 1474 01:32:50,661 --> 01:32:52,206 just suddenly it all went bang. 1475 01:32:54,306 --> 01:32:56,465 Terrible. 1476 01:32:56,465 --> 01:32:58,907 Devastation. 1477 01:32:58,907 --> 01:33:01,020 In Canvey Island. 1478 01:33:01,020 --> 01:33:03,361 And a bit of Benfleet too, probably. 1479 01:33:03,361 --> 01:33:04,634 And he more or less said, 1480 01:33:04,634 --> 01:33:07,395 ‘Well if you want to do it this way, I'm gonna leave.‘ 1481 01:33:07,395 --> 01:33:10,394 And we said, ‘Well, OK, old chum, go.‘ 1482 01:33:15,122 --> 01:33:16,623 And the morning come, 1483 01:33:16,623 --> 01:33:20,656 and the band had broken up, you know, and er. . .that was that. 1484 01:33:24,631 --> 01:33:28,052 In a very stupid moment he left and we let him leave, you know, 1485 01:33:28,052 --> 01:33:29,608 I think it was a great pity. 1486 01:33:40,315 --> 01:33:45,279 Wilko maintains that he was given the push and they say that he left. 1487 01:33:45,279 --> 01:33:48,142 Now I just leave it at that. 1488 01:33:53,288 --> 01:33:57,503 I think that what really happened, we'd run our course with Wilko. 1489 01:33:57,503 --> 01:33:59,843 I look back now, and if we were all a bit older 1490 01:33:59,843 --> 01:34:01,673 and we'd acted a bit more sensibly, 1491 01:34:01,673 --> 01:34:04,297 we probably could have sat down and discussed it. 1492 01:34:04,297 --> 01:34:07,593 It didn't do either side any good splitting up. I thought Dr Feelgood 1493 01:34:07,593 --> 01:34:11,103 was going to be my one thing I can't imagine doing anything outside of. 1494 01:34:11,103 --> 01:34:13,455 And I thought, ‘What am I going to do?‘ 1495 01:34:13,455 --> 01:34:17,205 And I realise I was kind of trapped by that, I just had to keep playing. 1496 01:34:21,594 --> 01:34:23,377 And I was very confused, 1497 01:34:23,377 --> 01:34:28,308 and I think I immediately started making all the wrong decisions. 1498 01:34:28,308 --> 01:34:31,308 Obviously it was a great loss, because there was this bloke 1499 01:34:31,308 --> 01:34:33,740 who's got this incredible stage presence, 1500 01:34:33,740 --> 01:34:37,171 skitting about all over the stage, that's what people wanted to see. 1501 01:34:37,171 --> 01:34:40,636 We thought it would end, and one day Lee and I said, ‘Well, let's give it a go.‘ 1502 01:34:40,636 --> 01:34:44,954 Now if my memory serves me right, jippy had already been lined up. 1503 01:34:44,954 --> 01:34:50,533 So it was pretty much a case of one out, one in. 1504 01:34:50,533 --> 01:34:53,156 It's a bit like a football team that loses a star player. 1505 01:34:53,156 --> 01:34:56,156 You've gotta get a replacement, you've gotta keep going. 1506 01:34:56,156 --> 01:34:59,679 I think quite a few people lost interest in the band after Wilko had gone, 1507 01:34:59,679 --> 01:35:03,052 who'd probably been Wilko Johnson fans rather than Dr Feelgood fans. 1508 01:35:03,052 --> 01:35:06,904 It was never the same after Wilko was gone, it just wasn't. 1509 01:35:06,904 --> 01:35:08,825 I didn't see the band after Wilko left. 1510 01:35:08,825 --> 01:35:10,893 I never saw them after that. 1511 01:35:10,893 --> 01:35:14,084 I mean, I like the original line-ups of things. 1512 01:35:14,084 --> 01:35:16,664 It'd be like if Keith quit the Rolling Stones. 1513 01:35:16,664 --> 01:35:18,959 There would still be some Mick supporters, 1514 01:35:18,959 --> 01:35:21,072 but it's not really gonna work. 1515 01:35:21,072 --> 01:35:24,264 What was rather nice is we were able to prove a lot of people wrong 1516 01:35:24,264 --> 01:35:27,969 because we had chart success with a song called Milk and Alcohol. 1517 01:35:27,969 --> 01:35:30,410 ♫ We got him on milk and alcohol! ♫ 1518 01:35:31,483 --> 01:35:34,063 ♫ White boy, in town 1519 01:35:34,063 --> 01:35:37,618 ♫ Big black, blue sound 1520 01:35:37,618 --> 01:35:40,016 ♫ Night club, I paid in 1521 01:35:40,016 --> 01:35:42,970 ♫ I got a stamp on my skin 1522 01:35:42,970 --> 01:35:45,697 ♫ Main attraction dead on his feet 1523 01:35:45,697 --> 01:35:48,561 ♫ Black man rhythm with a white boy beat 1524 01:35:48,561 --> 01:35:51,843 ♫ They got him on milk and alcohol 1525 01:35:54,602 --> 01:35:58,681 ♫ They got him on milk and alcohol... ♫ 1526 01:35:58,681 --> 01:36:02,658 Lee was a bit of a gourmet. He really liked good quality food. 1527 01:36:02,658 --> 01:36:05,714 Fortunately, that's what we provide. 1528 01:36:05,714 --> 01:36:08,020 He came in here and he was entertaining 1529 01:36:08,020 --> 01:36:12,282 his friends and relatives, to select the finest meat, 1530 01:36:12,282 --> 01:36:14,634 so that he could make the finest meals. 1531 01:36:17,016 --> 01:36:19,027 Often I would come home and find 1532 01:36:19,027 --> 01:36:22,912 a menu tacked to the front door of the house, and Lee would have 1533 01:36:22,912 --> 01:36:27,320 prepared an entire meal for us with the accompanying wines, 1534 01:36:27,320 --> 01:36:29,661 the dessert, the cheese course. 1535 01:36:29,661 --> 01:36:32,854 He loved doing things like that, and he loved being at home, 1536 01:36:32,854 --> 01:36:35,672 just as long as it wasn't for very long. 1537 01:36:35,672 --> 01:36:37,740 It was his idea to arrange a tour 1538 01:36:37,740 --> 01:36:41,205 around the Egon Ronay Guide and the Good Beer Guide. 1539 01:36:41,205 --> 01:36:46,170 By the time that Sparko and Figure left, we'd been kind of 10 years. 1540 01:36:46,170 --> 01:36:50,760 And in both their cases, they'd really had enough of touring. 1541 01:36:50,760 --> 01:36:53,010 But touring was what it was all about. 1542 01:36:53,010 --> 01:36:55,590 Lee was happy to do that volume of work, 1543 01:36:55,590 --> 01:36:57,737 it became in his blood to do that. 1544 01:36:57,737 --> 01:37:00,839 I don't think we could have remained together 1545 01:37:00,839 --> 01:37:03,509 if he hadn't been away as often as he was. 1546 01:37:03,509 --> 01:37:05,668 In the nicest possible way, of course, 1547 01:37:05,668 --> 01:37:08,894 but Lee was not the easiest person to live with. 1548 01:37:08,894 --> 01:37:12,450 He was a very intense guy and I think the fact that he 1549 01:37:12,450 --> 01:37:16,722 was away travelling a lot of the time is what saved our marriage. 1550 01:37:16,722 --> 01:37:21,744 I don't think he could exist outside the band kind of lifestyle. 1551 01:37:21,744 --> 01:37:23,994 You'd miss it if you were told to stop doing it, 1552 01:37:23,994 --> 01:37:27,221 like smoking, it's an addiction almost, actually. 1553 01:37:27,221 --> 01:37:30,606 As long as there's life in the old dog I'll keep doing it, you know. 1554 01:37:30,606 --> 01:37:35,242 You've all done very well, you're on the last leg, folks, you'll be able to smell lager shortly. 1555 01:37:35,242 --> 01:37:38,855 It was just before Christmas 1992. 1556 01:37:38,855 --> 01:37:42,922 Last night of what had been quite a long UK tour, 1557 01:37:42,922 --> 01:37:45,229 and Lee had, had an appointment 1558 01:37:45,229 --> 01:37:47,717 with the specialist in London that afternoon. 1559 01:37:47,717 --> 01:37:52,444 Essentially he'd been given a death sentence 1560 01:37:52,444 --> 01:37:54,751 by any other way of putting it. 1561 01:37:54,751 --> 01:37:58,215 He went on stage that night at a club in South London, 1562 01:37:58,215 --> 01:38:00,226 as if nothing was happening. 1563 01:38:00,226 --> 01:38:04,351 Lee just gets on and, gets on stage and delivers just, 1564 01:38:04,351 --> 01:38:08,293 just a fantastic show, and you're thinking, how do you do that? 1565 01:38:08,293 --> 01:38:12,269 In the last year of Lee's life we started getting close again, 1566 01:38:12,269 --> 01:38:14,610 and used to talk about 1567 01:38:14,610 --> 01:38:17,940 the days of the jug band, and we spoke about recreating 1568 01:38:17,940 --> 01:38:21,928 the jug band, which never actually happened in the end, unfortunately. 1569 01:38:21,928 --> 01:38:23,802 He came to me in January, 1570 01:38:23,802 --> 01:38:27,836 and he was really looking bad now, he was very thin. 1571 01:38:27,836 --> 01:38:30,892 He'd had lots of courses of chemotherapy. 1572 01:38:30,892 --> 01:38:35,063 And he said, I want to record a show at the Feelgood Music Bar. 1573 01:38:35,063 --> 01:38:38,449 I said, ‘When would you like to do it?‘ He said, ‘Within two weeks.‘ 1574 01:38:38,449 --> 01:38:40,652 I said, ‘Why don't you leave it a few weeks, 1575 01:38:40,652 --> 01:38:41,971 ‘you might feel better.‘ 1576 01:38:41,971 --> 01:38:45,584 He said, ‘No, I might feel worse as well, I want it in two weeks time.‘ 1577 01:38:45,584 --> 01:38:49,333 I'm not gonna do any histrionics, just one name for you, ladies and gentleman. 1578 01:38:49,333 --> 01:38:52,572 Lee Brilleaux, Dr Feelgood! 1579 01:38:52,572 --> 01:38:55,378 Lee actually glowed after that gig, 1580 01:38:55,378 --> 01:38:59,172 I mean, it was almost like he could step out of it. 1581 01:39:00,711 --> 01:39:04,505 But sadly, 12 weeks later, he died. 1582 01:39:04,505 --> 01:39:07,925 Thank you very much and God bless you all. Thank you. 1583 01:39:12,234 --> 01:39:17,346 I suppose sometimes Lee must have missed me, I certainly missed him. 1584 01:39:17,346 --> 01:39:21,324 He was the star. It felt very powerful to be on stage with him. 1585 01:39:25,256 --> 01:39:27,835 He was a really hard act to follow. 1586 01:39:27,835 --> 01:39:29,846 And I miss him very much. 1587 01:39:29,846 --> 01:39:34,209 You never get over it, and he was the only child I got. 1588 01:39:34,209 --> 01:39:39,413 If there's one thing I can console myself about his early death, 1589 01:39:39,413 --> 01:39:42,231 he really did have a magical life. 1590 01:39:48,780 --> 01:39:50,666 He was doing what he loved, 1591 01:39:50,666 --> 01:39:54,313 and I can't picture him having done it any other way. 1592 01:39:54,313 --> 01:39:56,472 He thought of himself as the Road Runner. 1593 01:39:56,472 --> 01:39:58,483 You know, that junior Walker song? 1594 01:39:58,483 --> 01:40:00,790 We actually played that at his funeral. 1595 01:40:00,790 --> 01:40:04,675 I think he used to really relate to that song, because when we had dinner parties 1596 01:40:04,675 --> 01:40:06,413 and we'd had a few, you know, 1597 01:40:06,413 --> 01:40:09,834 he'd always get up and put it on, and like, dance to it. 1598 01:40:15,541 --> 01:40:17,984 It's sad but you, you can feel that Lee 1599 01:40:17,984 --> 01:40:21,358 is spread over the spirit of the Essex Marshes here. 1600 01:40:21,358 --> 01:40:24,778 It is a kind of a pilgrimage, because people do 1601 01:40:24,778 --> 01:40:28,857 have to make a decision and an effort to come here. 1602 01:40:28,857 --> 01:40:32,697 This is the 13th memorial show we've had since Lee's died. 1603 01:40:32,697 --> 01:40:36,084 It's a celebration of a great, great guy. 1604 01:40:43,333 --> 01:40:46,332 We were just empowered by what we did, I still feel it now, 1605 01:40:46,332 --> 01:40:50,264 when I play now, I've got all the energy in the world for it. 1606 01:40:50,264 --> 01:40:53,172 It still makes the hairs of the back of my neck tingle, 1607 01:40:53,172 --> 01:40:54,764 when I'm standing at a show. 1608 01:40:54,764 --> 01:40:58,285 I'm just very proud to have been part of it. 1609 01:41:00,245 --> 01:41:02,076 Since my wife died 1610 01:41:02,076 --> 01:41:03,859 I've been very... 1611 01:41:05,770 --> 01:41:08,963 ..sad about that, and really... 1612 01:41:08,963 --> 01:41:11,690 that's what I'm thinking about most of the time. 1613 01:41:11,690 --> 01:41:15,530 And I'm sad, and I miss her. Except that when I actually get 1614 01:41:15,530 --> 01:41:18,916 onto the stage, there's something that lifts that heartbreak. 1615 01:41:18,916 --> 01:41:22,337 I mean I'm still thinking about her then, but it's all right, 1616 01:41:22,337 --> 01:41:27,484 and I'm playing, and you're getting a reaction from people. 1617 01:41:27,484 --> 01:41:32,880 And for that hour, or hour and a half, or whatever it is, I... 1618 01:41:32,880 --> 01:41:38,083 I get some relief, you know? And I'm doomed to carry on doing it! 1619 01:41:48,888 --> 01:41:51,750 The Feelgoods kind of don't get the credit 1620 01:41:51,750 --> 01:41:55,636 that I think that they deserve, really, for just coming out 1621 01:41:55,636 --> 01:41:59,851 and being so different at a time when it was all so dull. 1622 01:41:59,851 --> 01:42:02,714 Throughout history of music there are many bands that 1623 01:42:02,714 --> 01:42:07,168 should have made it and for X number of reasons why they didn't. 1624 01:42:07,168 --> 01:42:10,031 Maybe their record company guy wasn't paid 1625 01:42:10,031 --> 01:42:13,495 the right payola, given the right drugs to get behind the band. 1626 01:42:13,495 --> 01:42:16,120 We slipped through a gasoline crack in history! 1627 01:42:17,291 --> 01:42:20,290 It's good standing here, 1628 01:42:20,290 --> 01:42:22,630 and seeing that. 1629 01:42:22,630 --> 01:42:26,664 Yeah, I think it's a very fitting backdrop to the band, yeah. 1630 01:42:29,700 --> 01:42:32,927 It's stirring up complex emotions. 1631 01:42:34,843 --> 01:42:38,036 Who would have thought we'd end up on the oil tanks? 1632 01:42:46,077 --> 01:42:51,099 When we were about 15, Lee and I used to just walk through this area 1633 01:42:51,099 --> 01:42:55,644 to the other end of Canvey, with our dream of what a band would be like. 1634 01:42:55,644 --> 01:43:00,336 And when it actually happened to us, it went beyond 1635 01:43:00,336 --> 01:43:04,131 our original dreams of what we could achieve. 1636 01:43:04,131 --> 01:43:06,801 We had a fantastic time. 1637 01:43:06,801 --> 01:43:09,346 We were in love with each other. 1638 01:43:09,346 --> 01:43:14,312 When I look back on Dr Feelgood, I'm proud of what we did, it was, er... 1639 01:43:14,312 --> 01:43:17,027 the four of us, or the five of us, with Chris. 1640 01:43:17,027 --> 01:43:21,992 You know, we come from Canvey Island, and we did that, and we... 1641 01:43:21,992 --> 01:43:24,105 we played a part in the story. 1642 01:43:25,597 --> 01:43:27,755 And, yes, I'm proud of that. 1643 01:43:29,582 --> 01:43:33,285 I don't know if I wasted my life. 1644 01:43:33,285 --> 01:43:35,626 But probably not. 1645 01:44:08,156 --> 01:44:09,985 All the very best to all of you. 1646 01:44:09,985 --> 01:44:13,372 This is from Lee, Dr Feelgood. Thanks very much, bye bye. 1647 01:44:28,240 --> 01:44:31,762 I live on my own now. I've recently got this wonderful 1648 01:44:31,762 --> 01:44:34,011 computer programme called Starry Night, 1649 01:44:34,011 --> 01:44:36,079 which is an astronomy programme. 1650 01:44:36,079 --> 01:44:38,613 So I've got this big telly, and it faces that way, 1651 01:44:38,613 --> 01:44:42,329 so I'm lying back down here, and, and I'm looking down, looking at it. 1652 01:44:42,329 --> 01:44:46,271 Then I think, ‘Well, I'm in my spaceship.‘ 1653 01:44:46,271 --> 01:44:50,202 Cos if I had a spaceship, it would probably look a little bit like this, 1654 01:44:50,202 --> 01:44:53,919 books flying around everywhere, all clothes on the floor and all that. 1655 01:45:00,178 --> 01:45:03,132 You can fly round the moon, and you can fly around Saturn. 1656 01:45:03,132 --> 01:45:04,733 You can go right out the galaxy. 1657 01:45:09,872 --> 01:45:16,337 We're going at 3,238 million light-years a second. 1658 01:45:16,337 --> 01:45:19,530 That's pretty good, pretty fast. 1659 01:45:19,530 --> 01:45:20,983 Defeating time. 1660 01:45:23,883 --> 01:45:29,314 An unimaginable distance from everything, everything. 1661 01:45:29,314 --> 01:45:32,132 Oh, what a feeling! You are light-years away. 1662 01:45:32,132 --> 01:45:33,814 Nobody will ever get that far away. 1663 01:45:38,445 --> 01:45:42,808 While we've been talking, we've actually left the universe behind. 1664 01:45:42,808 --> 01:45:46,238 When you get right out here, where it's black, right, 1665 01:45:46,238 --> 01:45:49,000 there's nothing here, it don't say anything any more, 1666 01:45:49,000 --> 01:45:51,670 it just says, ‘Outside time.‘ 1667 01:45:51,670 --> 01:45:54,727 But it's fairly boring outside of time, as you see, 1668 01:45:54,727 --> 01:45:57,034 you've just got this white dot. 151501

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