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Contains very strong language.
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So, I come
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here and prop it up like that.
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And then, skilfully, I come
across... keep a low profile. There.
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Here's my telescope.
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what we've got around us here in this neighbourhood
is a settlement of humans, right, there'd probably
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been a spaceship crash, or something like that,
and this small town has arisen.
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And we're waiting to be rescued.
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My terrible job is to stay up all night
scanning the heavens for the rescue ships.
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And that's how I while away
the weary hours.
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where in the world
is Dr Feelgood very big?
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In Canvey Island.
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Canvey Island.
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♫ I got a girl
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♫ A man's best friend
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♫ I'd have her now
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♫ If she'd just come back again
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♫ But she left me in the fog
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♫ Told me that I treat her
like a dog
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♫ I bought a brand-new motor
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♫ And I'm waiting for a loan
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♫ So I can fill her up and start her
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♫ Then I'm going back home
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♫ Oh, yeah
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♫ I wanna live the way I like
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♫ Sleep all the morning
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♫ And get my fun at night
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♫ Things ain't like that here
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♫ working just
to keep my payments clear... ♫
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I was born here, which means
I was born below sea level.
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I think this affects
the consciousness profoundly.
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It's kind of submarine
consciousness, I think.
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And um,
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I live up on top of the hill now.
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Cos of the flood, you see, 1953.
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People used to use this flood
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as a kind of a historical
reference point, like the war.
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Oh, was that before
the war or after the war?
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Here, of course, it's was that
before the flood or after the flood?
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Biblical stuff.
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Yeah, 1953, I opened my bedroom
curtains, I was at the age of six.
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I saw a rowing boat going by,
which I thought was a tad odd.
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Our neighbour was screaming
at us through the walls,
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and we realised at that time
that we had been flooded.
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I would have been born
at home but because of the flood,
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I was born in Romford Hospital.
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Our house fell down.
we had to get another house.
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I knew that there was something
wrong. I was a perceptive child.
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There was a girl
in our class at school.
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Unfortunately, her parents had died and she was
found floating in her carry cot, like a Moses basket.
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A lot of people were forced to spend the night on the roof,
which was freezing, freezing temperatures.
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A lot of people just
died from exposure.
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About a hundred people were killed.
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we were evacuated from
Canvey Island to a school.
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Of course, as a kid,
it was a big adventure.
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There was a big tea chest full of Dinky toys,
which we could all help ourselves to.
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On the radio, there was this
character called Wilfred Pickles.
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How do? How are you?
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And he was down at this school,
interviewing the refugees from the flood.
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And he was asking anybody if
they wanted to sing a song,
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so we could have a sing song,
cheering everybody's spirits up.
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My mum thrust me forward
and said, ‘Yeah, he can.
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‘what are you gonna sing?‘
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And that's Johnny, Big Figure,
right? Little Johnny Martin.
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And he sung Me and My Teddy Bear.
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when we eventually got back onto the island
I was inundated with teddy bears from all over the country.
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He was the first Feelgood to
actually make it onto the media.
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Right, good morning, ladies and
gentlemen. welcome to Canvey Island.
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This is the birthplace
of Dr Feelgood.
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This is where our adventure
all started out in the early '70s.
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The walk will be about two hours, so if you're not feeling up to it,
you had too much to drink last night, at
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any point a taxi can be organised to come and get you,
because we're going round the perimeter of the island.
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we'll make a start, OK?
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Onwards and upwards.
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All sorts of people are getting
fascinated by Canvey Island.
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It gets to you. I think
I'm going to move back here.
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Canvey Island is a great place,
really, but it's strange, even today.
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It is a very unique place,
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and there's nowhere I've ever been
in the world quite like Canvey.
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There's this mud flat rescued from the sea
by Dutch engineers in the 17th century.
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In the last hundred years, because
of the railway coming to Southend,
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it's become a popular haunt of Eastenders,
people coming down from London and weekend bungalows.
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It also has that end of the line feeling
about it, because you step off the
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end of the creek in Canvey Island, and if you just keep
going along the waterline, your next stop's Belgium.
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And that's a fact.
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It feels like a million miles
from anywhere.
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Also it's not really
an island, it's a peninsula.
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It still is an island. we can
go right round Canvey by boat.
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well, maybe it is an island.
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You must edit that out,
I'll take that out.
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People were quite proud to come
from Canvey and liked that it was
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an island and there was something
unique and different about it.
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To us Southenders, you had to
cross a bridge to get there.
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So even though the bridge was only
30 yards, it was almost like a
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different country, going to Canvey.
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People are somewhat suspicious
of Canvey Islanders.
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They have a fear, because
of the East End links, they
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think it's a bit of a rough place,
full of East End rough people.
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which, to a point, there's something
to be said for that, you know!
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People take the Mick out
of Canvey, like, you know,
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people on Canvey have got webbed
feet cos it's always flooded.
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Canvey's Canvey, and it's a little bit like
the old East End of London used to be.
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Before they all moved to Canvey!
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we tend to close ranks
a little bit and defend the place
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to outsiders, although we're
constantly knocking it ourselves!
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You could look across the river
there, there you see Kent.
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It's like a sort of promised land, Kent, you know,
it's the Garden of England over there, and you think,
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I wonder what's over that hill?
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You don't need to leave Canvey,
everything is delivered here,
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and if you're happy with being here 365 days a year,
then why would you want to leave?
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when I was a little tiny lad,
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they were building the refinery at
Shell Haven, just across the water.
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And you all day long you could hear these pile drivers,
driving piles deep down this mud.
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Boom, boom, all the time.
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Steam hammers,
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you know. And gradually this
thing rose up over the horizon.
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It's the catalytic cracker plant.
My mum told me it's a cat cracker!
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Cracking cats.
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They have these big chimney stacks
with flames coming out of the top.
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And you get the flames at night time, you know,
flickering underneath the clouds, you know.
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Very Miltonic.
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‘Yet from those flames, no light, but rather darkness
visible served only to discover sites of woe. '
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It was where my father worked,
he was there on security.
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And they used to come up on
the seawall at Canvey to watch
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the Spitfire pilots attempt to tip the wings
of the V1s, you know, the flying bombs,
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to stop them reaching London.
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The Germans were always trying to bomb
the oil terminal to light their way up into London.
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I remember my dad used to work on these jetties
over here, and he'd bring me up here when I was a kid.
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And he bribed the captain of one of
the small oil tankers to take us to
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London once, which was quite a good
journey for a little kid to make.
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One of these tankers would go by,
you'd get a big wash from it.
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It'd come washing up, very exciting.
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Bit of surf.
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we'd sit here and waiting for the wash from a tanker,
watching these red sails go by, and...
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paradise.
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Canvey Island was the nearest beach
to the East End of London.
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There was the Thorny Bay Holiday Camp,
which was, well, weekend holidays for Londoners, really.
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They all had an old-fashioned
'50s caravan, wasn't it?
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Come down, most of the time was spent over
the casino eating whelks and eating candy floss.
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Not a great site for a caravan park,
cos you've got these oil tanks there.
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But they solved this problem, they used
to sell postcards of the caravan site, and they'd
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actually painted the oil tanks
away with blue paint, you know.
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And it looked
like a nice caravan site.
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It had a bit of a bawdy reputation.
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People would go there for
a dirty weekend.
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If you said you came
from Canvey Island, people
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would raise their eyebrows,
as if questioning your parentage.
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we laugh about it now and make jokes
about the funny hats and the sticks of rock and
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everything, but that was a large
part of the income of this town.
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Perhaps we were all in show
business.
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This is a map of Canvey Island.
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As I would understand it, I mean,
the bands all come from somewhere.
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But this is quite a tight area to
have pulled in four band personnel.
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we lived there.
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Sparko lived there.
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Figure lived there.
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And Wilko lived there.
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'Hi, there, this is Radio Canvey...’
Hello, how are you? Not bad, not bad.
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what can I do for you today?
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just a very short trim, please.
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Literally my oldest friend.
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we were born in close proximity
to each other on Canvey Island.
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Four doors away. Four doors away.
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I had to go to Wilko's to watch
BBC television for children.
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That's how deprived we were.
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Hello, everyone. Hey, Muffin.
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Don't be in such a hurry. Say hello.
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when I did go to
the grammar school in Southend,
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you were looked on slightly askance,
coming from Canvey Island.
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My first year, there was this
English teacher and he used
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to get me to stand in front in the
class and go, go on, say 'bottle'.
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I can't even say it, 'bottle', and I'd go 'bottle',
'little', and all that, to show them how not to speak.
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You see, my glottal stops. But of course,
I loved it. 'Bottle', 'little', you know.
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I knew Chris, who became
the manager of the Feelgoods.
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we were in the local
Cub troupe together.
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And Spark and I were in the same
patrol, in the Squirrel Patrol.
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Lee was a different deal, because
Lee, he was born in South Africa.
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He had spoken, allegedly, Zulu,
because he had had a Zulu nanny.
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Nanny Rosie.
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Yes, she was a Zulu girl,
lovely person.
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He spoke Zulu
when he couldn't even speak English.
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But I think he was back in the UK
fully by the time he was five.
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First of all, his grandparents
had lived on Canvey Island.
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He used to come at weekends,
it was a slow transition.
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He loved it at Canvey.
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He liked it so much
that on Friday I'd get home from
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work and there was a note on the
table, ‘Dear Mum, gone to Nan's.'
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And he'd gone for the weekend.
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It got so dreadful, we never saw the
boy. So we all moved down there.
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He was an only child,
he had no brothers and sisters.
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we became neighbourhood mates,
because we lived five rows from one another.
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Because we lived right on the sea wall,
you would swim over in the creek.
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You would play mud larks,
and that would be great fun.
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just sort of buggering
about in the mud.
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That's Lower Horse Island.
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And Lee and I had our rowing boats,
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and we used to row out to the
island in the middle, and this was
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our real pirate's playground. This,
that you see here, is all our garden.
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Chris would row the boat,
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and Lee would do all the talking.
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And Lee would make up all these
stories about monsters and things.
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This boat, he called it the Corsair.
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He put up the skull and crossbones,
and there he was. Pirate Lee.
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To us it was a magical island,
Treasure Island,
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wind in the willows, general
Boy's Own adventure books.
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when I was 15, 16 and that, I was a right
rebel at school, but I was deliberately a philistine.
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And I took it in my head, I fancied myself with a guitar.
You think you're gonna get all the girls.
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Probably the first people I saw on the television
actually using guitars were the Shadows.
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Those great twangy sounds, those instrumentals
played on the Fender Stratocasters.
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Wilko bought himself a very cheap
guitar from the Exchange and Mart,
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and he suggested I get myself a very basic drum kit,
so we could start play and emulate the Shadows.
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Some Shadows’ stuff.
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I do not use a plectrum,
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and this is my excuse.
I'm left-handed.
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And, um, the first guitar I got
was left-handed,
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like this, see, you play
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it this way round. is this the way,
isn’t it? That's it, this way around.
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Is it this way or that way?
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I think it's this way round, yeah.
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So anyway, I got a right-handed
guitar and started learning again.
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I couldn't keep hold
of the plectrum.
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So I just did without it.
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Strummed like fury.
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Red scratch plate.
So the men won't see the blood.
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This is my group,
this is about 1964.
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There's me with my Watkins Rapier guitar,
and there's Figure, again, that's him very sensible.
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Not at all a clown.
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Oh, man, the Stones, the Stones.
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They just looked so outlandish, and here was a band
you knew your parents wouldn't like.
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You see, Keith Richards,
I've got it, ain't I? Look.
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There we are in Irene's back garden,
and you can tell it's the early '60s by the clothes she's wearing.
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Irene, I mean we were
going together when we were 16.
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I remember the first time I kissed her. There were a bunch
of us all walking back from the youth club,
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we got to a gate, and I kissed her,
and I'm telling you it shook me, it just shook me.
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Lee, he was a clever boy.
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He was far more intelligent
than I was.
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There was no way I passed
the 11 plus or anything like that.
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Lee looked different and he came over
different from anybody else in the school.
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we had what you could
basically call a gang.
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we called it the weasel Club.
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It was modelled very heavily on
Harry Flashman from Tom Brown's
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Schooldays, and we all sported
waistcoats and pocket watches.
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I thought he was a prefect,
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because he was carrying
himself like a prefect.
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well, well, well.
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Hello, Flashman.
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He was obviously
the sort of leader of his gang.
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He just had that aura about him.
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Lee was extremely good with words,
very persuasive,
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and he could be
virtually an intellectual.
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Pierre by Collie
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The end.
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He had a tremendous sense
of outrage.
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If he felt the headmaster
was unfair on him,
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he'd urinate on the
headmaster's, er, door.
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Like most kids, I always liked music,
pop music and all the rest of it, it wasn't until I heard Blues
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that I really started to become obsessive about it,
I wanted to collect Blues records,
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and used to subscribe to Blues Unlimited magazine,
and became quite,
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probably to all my friends,
a complete bore about it all.
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♫ Oh, the train I ride... ♫
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You know, he was
evangelical about the music.
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♫ ..Oh, they shine like gold... ♫
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Howling wolf, when I saw
him perform live in Romford,
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at a pub called the King's Head,
he was absolutely superb.
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I thought he looked the business.
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You know, he was the King.
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He came out on stage, there was
an old man. And he just rocked.
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A Hohner harmonica in one hand and a
microphone and you couldn't see it.
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It was just a big fella.
He was like a bear more than a wolf.
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The first guitar that I got obsessed
with was one of these things - a Fender Telecaster.
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And one day I was at home, and I'm
walking across the room, like that.
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And err, and somebody goes this is
Johnny Kidd and the Pirates, right?
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♫ Shaking all over. ..♫
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I went...
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And there's, there's this guitar.
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I discovered the music
of Mick Green, who played
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for Johnny Kidd and the Pirates,
and he used a Fender Telecaster.
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But usually in bands you had two
guitar players, one playing rhythm.
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And, another one playing
what they call lead.
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well, Mick Green was doing
both these things at once.
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I thought, I want
to be just like him,
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and I started finding all
the records I could find,
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Johnny Kidd and the Pirates.
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I listened to them,
you played them at 33 and a third.
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♫ They call me the doctor... ♫
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So it's slow.
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♫ I'm really hard to please
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♫ well, you talk about... ♫
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How's he doing that?
How's he doing... I can't...
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so I tried and tried and tried, got it completely
wrong, and ended up with my own style.
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Like that.
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Me and my brother, we used
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to come up here with our jug band,
and we'd stand outside the Monaco.
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we used to play down there.
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we'd just stand here, kind of rather embarrassed,
with our tea-chest bass and our banjos and things.
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And, and hang out, wait till it was half past 10
or whenever closing time was over there.
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And people would stagger out
in a sentimental mood.
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"Can you play a sad one?‘
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♫ You are my sunshine
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♫ My only sunshine
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♫ You make me... ♫
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Get out! And stay out!
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♫ ..You'll never know, dear
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♫ How much I love you
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♫ Please don't take
my sunshine away... ♫
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And they'd give you a 10 bob note,
and you could buy a hamburger.
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Wilko was a couple of years older
than us. I remember when we were
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quite young teenagers,
seeing Wilko and his brother,
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err, playing in what they call a jug band,
which is a kind of a skiffle group, really.
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And I remember this,
being most taken with this idea.
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Lee was the one I remembered, and he was very,
very interested in what we were doing, this music.
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And it made a powerful impression
on me, just that he was so kind
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of eager. So it didn't surprise me when a year
or so later he'd got a jug band of his own going,
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and they were rather good, but...
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Yeah, I well remember
talking to him.
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I don't think any of us could play a chord, but Lee,
it was something that he, he aspired to desperately,
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so he couldn't play guitar
chords, he learned banjo chords.
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Lee was definitely
the driving force.
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He carried people along
in his wake, really.
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Lee and Sparko were the core rhythm section.
They're the ones who could play.
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This was a schoolboy thing, and this was weekends
and youth clubs. Quite lucrative, actually.
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I remember when we used to busk
outside the Monaco, and we won
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a talent competition at
our local holiday camp.
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He would start off at the
Admiral Jellicoe and busk outside.
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well, then we started getting small
amplifiers, we couldn't carry them,
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so we used to have to make
barrows out of pram wheels and stuff.
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Then we would move across
the road to the Canvey Club.
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we always took the hat around, so we,
we had plenty of pocket money for 14 year olds.
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Then move on to the original
Oysterfleet pub.
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And we would do a full set there that would
probably take us through till 12.30, midnight.
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And although we weren't 18, the governor
always used to buy us a pint, and err, it was great fun.
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Figure, he left school
when he was about 15.
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His dad had a lock-up shed on Canvey
where he used to do panel beating and spraying.
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He hated Ford cars, you see,
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so this is his way of
being satirical about Ford cars.
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Well, Wilko found a couple of friends
over in westcliff, we just started playing R&B.
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After a couple of years I joined another
band over on Canvey called the Essex Five,
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earning a reasonable living.
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Coming home after three gigs with 50 quid
in my pocket, which wasn't bad in 1968/1969.
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This is the last years of the '60s.
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Revolution.
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LSD.
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when I eventually tried it,
it was it...
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Beyond anything.
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Beyond anything I'd ever. ..
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imagined or been told.
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I had a fascinating
LSD experience here.
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Me and my brother walked all the way
along the wall from the other end of
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the island, right, gradually getting
more and more involved.
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I remember one point here,
it used to be a shelter.
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And it just involved a kind of
ritually jewelled palace room,
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like something out of
the Arabian Nights.
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And then it all suddenly turned into
pink plastic knives and forks.
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just about then I was, in fact,
about to go up to Newcastle,
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to the university there,
where I was studying English.
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Check out the opening lines of,
err, Piers Plowman.
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It's... it's good.
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‘I was weary for wandering, and went me to rest
under a broad bank by a bourne's side.
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‘And as I lay and leaned
and looked in the waters,
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‘I slumbered in a sleeping,
it swathed so merry.‘
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I also, I had some ambition
to be a writer myself.
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I remember saying to Irene,
I said if I get to the age of 21 and
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find out I'm not a great poet,
I'm going to cut my throat.
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And I think the first real time I focussed on Wilko
is when our jug band was playing in Canvey Carnival.
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I would come back to Canvey
in the summertime, during the vacation.
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I would see them playing,
in the Carnival. Look at these guys.
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And there was one point Wilko came
up with his brother, and said,
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‘Hello boys,‘ and ‘Oh, great,
what a great jug band.‘
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After I'd, err, graduated,
travelled overland to India.
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India! My father actually was a soldier in the Raj.
He was on the north-west frontier.
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Sometimes I'd heard him say stuff about India,
so I had this thing about India in my mind.
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I was so scared, I'd never been out of England
before, I was sure I was going to die.
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I had 50 quid stuffed down me Y-fronts
when I set off, and um, that sufficed.
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we went through Turkey and Iran,
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Tehran, Mashad and then through
to Herat, Kandahar, Kabul,
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and then through the Khyber Pass.
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And we'd got a room in this Bahar
Hotel, which was completely empty.
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we went out to the shops that day
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and we bought some
opium and some eggs.
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This is my room I had in Kathmandu.
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And in the morning, you see, you'd open
these shutters, and it would be all misty.
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And then slowly the mist would lift
and you'd start the see the temples,
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the pagodas, coming out of the mist.
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And then the mist would lift further
and you would see the Himalayas.
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Actually, I don't
normally like mountains.
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Maybe that's because I come from
flat Canvey Island, I don't know.
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Lee was still on Canvey, and had a
very Canvey-centric view of things.
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There's Canvey Island
in the middle of the world,
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and it's surrounded by the Black Sea
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and the River Crouch drains from the
Black Sea to the Loch Ness Ocean.
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♫ And I been to the East
And I been to the west
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♫ I been this whole world wide
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♫ I been to the river
and I been baptised
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♫ Now lead me to my buried ground
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♫ Lead me to my buried ground. ♫
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when I came back from India, I
decided I wanted to be a painter.
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Yeah, I'm very fond of the
old cumulus clouds in the
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summertime, and you just look at it,
there's all sorts of stuff in there.
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There's my brother playing the lute.
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And there he is looking after me one night,
and in the background there's Irene.
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I knew that we were
marrying very young, and
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people would say we shouldn't do it,
but I knew absolutely that there was
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nobody in the world like her for me,
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00:27:07,821 --> 00:27:11,150
I knew that I wanted
to be with her forever.
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00:27:13,063 --> 00:27:16,063
To be in a jug band 14, 15,
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is acceptable as a gag.
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00:27:18,267 --> 00:27:23,618
To be in a jug band at sort of 17, 18,
all of a sudden this lot's a bit weird.
408
00:27:23,618 --> 00:27:26,482
It's about time you were in a
band and did a bit of rock'n'roll.
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00:27:28,901 --> 00:27:33,831
when it was being talked about that the band
should go electric, Chris was a bit miffed, really.
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00:27:33,831 --> 00:27:36,126
He was a not so sure
about me giving up the jug.
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what could be my role, so Lee said
to him, well get yourself a van
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and you can cart us around, and we'll cut you
in as the fifth member, and that's how it stayed.
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If I was home at the weekend then I'd,
I'd go along and help with the gear,
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and I went with them on one of
the first real, long haul gigs,
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it was exit 27
off the M1 at Nottingham.
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we played the Silk Top Hat Club,
which is a big working man's club.
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This was the real thing. And Lee came out
with some gloves on for the show,
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and his denim jacket, and threw
a great little rock'n'roll gig.
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He just did, and I remember the local D]
there had kind of seen it all.
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00:28:15,881 --> 00:28:18,551
He said, ‘You've got a star
on your hands there, mate.‘
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Fucking right, I tell you what,
it take the shiver down my back.
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I'd given up playing, and I'm back on
Canvey Island and then bumped into Lee.
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He was a solicitor's
clerk at the time.
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I think he was about 18 or 19 then.
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00:28:31,811 --> 00:28:37,674
He's got a pinstripe suit on, three piece suit,
fucking looked really mean, you know, really good.
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I worked in a law office, yeah, serving writs
on people, that was my job.
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00:28:42,036 --> 00:28:45,696
And, err, he was saying, ‘we've got
this rock'n'roll band,‘ and err,
428
00:28:45,696 --> 00:28:48,468
the guitar player had left,
and I was thinking, ‘Ooh.
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00:28:48,468 --> 00:28:50,763
‘I've still got my
guitar under the bed.
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00:28:50,763 --> 00:28:52,501
‘Is he going to ask me?‘
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00:28:52,501 --> 00:28:54,421
But he didn't.
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He was too shy to suggest
that I should join his band.
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And so we had a long talk in
the street and parted company,
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00:29:01,306 --> 00:29:05,578
and I thought, ‘Oh, man, I could have,
you know, I haven't played for a long time and.
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And then of course, later that evening,
Sparko came knocking at the door.
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00:29:11,941 --> 00:29:14,475
He'd come round and, later
on he's at my door going,
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00:29:14,475 --> 00:29:16,917
‘Look, do you want to do a band?‘
And I went, 'Yes.'
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00:29:16,917 --> 00:29:21,326
we were quite in some awe of Wilko,
you know, as a musician, also as a character.
439
00:29:21,326 --> 00:29:26,246
And, err, absolutely delighted when he agreed,
condescended, you know, to join our little band.
440
00:29:26,246 --> 00:29:29,667
I was happy to be his guitar player.
441
00:29:29,667 --> 00:29:31,916
we learned some pop songs
so we can get work.
442
00:29:31,916 --> 00:29:37,257
we went around someone's house and
had a rehearsal, and I think Lee,
443
00:29:37,257 --> 00:29:40,552
we got, Lee put this, err, record
on, it was, err, Little Walter.
444
00:29:40,552 --> 00:29:45,278
I said, ‘Fuck this pop music, let's
just play this, let's do this!‘
445
00:29:45,278 --> 00:29:48,517
How many rhythm and blues fans does
it take to change a light bulb then?
446
00:29:50,761 --> 00:29:55,260
Well... it's one, you know, and ten to say
it's not as good as the original.
447
00:29:55,260 --> 00:29:57,737
Wilko on board made a big difference.
448
00:29:58,816 --> 00:30:02,237
We became fast friends,
and he was very welcoming of you.
449
00:30:02,237 --> 00:30:05,758
You could always go round his house
and have a cup of tea and a joint.
450
00:30:05,758 --> 00:30:09,315
We used to go round your place and
have very good sessions, didn't we?
451
00:30:09,315 --> 00:30:11,712
A complete laugh, right.
452
00:30:11,712 --> 00:30:16,496
I thought this guy's cool, right, it was like
your first guru that you'd come across.
453
00:30:16,496 --> 00:30:19,598
He'd been on lots of
political rallies and things.
454
00:30:19,598 --> 00:30:23,392
Look, I'm a revolutionary, I'd got this
donkey jacket on, and boots and that.
455
00:30:23,392 --> 00:30:28,027
We demonstrated when a new road was
opened on Canvey Island because we
456
00:30:28,027 --> 00:30:32,629
felt that it was done purely to have
a lot more oil refineries put in.
457
00:30:32,629 --> 00:30:36,844
But it felt a laugh to go along
and say, ‘No more oil on Canvey!‘
458
00:30:36,844 --> 00:30:40,400
No more oil on Canvey soil!
459
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,956
No more oil on Canvey soil!
460
00:30:43,956 --> 00:30:47,342
The Pit of Canvey, pretty browned
off about the idea really,
461
00:30:47,342 --> 00:30:50,341
I mean, we didn't want
another oil refinery on Canvey.
462
00:30:50,341 --> 00:30:52,319
Will you stand up?
463
00:30:52,319 --> 00:30:55,602
This whole debate so far seems to
me, err, to be taking the shape
464
00:30:55,602 --> 00:30:58,408
of people who are considering
economic interests,
465
00:30:58,408 --> 00:31:01,215
they're considering fire risks
and things like this,
466
00:31:01,215 --> 00:31:04,316
as though the refinery is coming,
whether we want it or not.
467
00:31:04,316 --> 00:31:06,610
We're not rich people,
we're not millionaires,
468
00:31:06,610 --> 00:31:09,940
so you can stick it on our doorstep,
you won't stick it on anyone else's.
469
00:31:09,940 --> 00:31:13,133
That's the economics behind citing
it here, because we don't care.
470
00:31:15,610 --> 00:31:20,484
They did actually shelve the oil refineries
being built on Canvey Island.
471
00:31:20,484 --> 00:31:24,745
When we started the band, and we got
this idea about this is where, this is Oil City.
472
00:31:24,745 --> 00:31:28,175
Canvey Island doesn't sound very
American, let's call it Oil City.
473
00:31:28,175 --> 00:31:32,345
The blues, the sound of the blues. Mucker Joe,
he called this, yes, this is Thames Delta.
474
00:31:32,345 --> 00:31:35,436
If you close your eyes on a sunny day
it could be the Mississippi Delta,
475
00:31:35,436 --> 00:31:39,378
it could be some strange place, not
really anywhere, not part of England.
476
00:31:39,378 --> 00:31:43,173
I used to love all these little shacks,
and the balconies on the front and everything.
477
00:31:43,173 --> 00:31:46,593
My first record advance, I went and
bought one of them, it was my first house!
478
00:31:54,882 --> 00:31:56,711
'Hello, is that Mr Dean Kennedy?’
479
00:31:56,711 --> 00:31:59,517
I, err, I see them when
they used to play on Canvey.
480
00:31:59,517 --> 00:32:01,301
I was about 13, 14.
481
00:32:01,301 --> 00:32:03,607
And it was in the time
of sort of like,
482
00:32:03,607 --> 00:32:05,811
skinheads and football hooligans,
483
00:32:05,811 --> 00:32:09,334
and yeah, there was a lot of anger
on Canvey in those days.
484
00:32:09,334 --> 00:32:11,628
It was a bit of a lawless
society down there.
485
00:32:11,628 --> 00:32:15,514
And they were just ordinary street kids,
and they just brought that to the stage.
486
00:32:15,514 --> 00:32:17,865
♫ Well I'm a hot for you baby
487
00:32:17,865 --> 00:32:20,206
♫ I can't get enough of your love
488
00:32:22,968 --> 00:32:25,036
♫ I'm a hot for you baby
489
00:32:25,036 --> 00:32:27,343
♫ Can't get enough of your love
490
00:32:29,810 --> 00:32:31,548
♫ When I go to sleep at night
491
00:32:31,548 --> 00:32:33,980
♫ Girl, you're the one
I'm dreamin' of. ♫
492
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:41,796
So we started playing in pubs and clubs
and roller-skating rinks in Southend,
493
00:32:41,796 --> 00:32:43,955
and a dodgy pub called
the Railway in Pitsea,
494
00:32:43,955 --> 00:32:46,625
otherwise known as the Flying Bottle.
495
00:32:46,625 --> 00:32:50,465
All the usual kind of like, rough
houses and places where musicians go.
496
00:32:50,465 --> 00:32:56,419
This is the Monaco Pub, and we used to play
there to the local Feelgood crowd every Wednesday night.
497
00:32:56,419 --> 00:32:58,340
It was 30 pence door money.
498
00:32:58,340 --> 00:33:02,554
If you can win a crowd on Canvey,
you can win a crowd anywhere.
499
00:33:02,554 --> 00:33:04,145
I think Canvey to the rest of us
500
00:33:04,145 --> 00:33:08,031
felt like something that was
dressed up but bound to sink.
501
00:33:08,031 --> 00:33:11,496
We all had this awareness
that it was going to drown.
502
00:33:11,496 --> 00:33:14,302
There was an underlying sense
of violence.
503
00:33:14,302 --> 00:33:19,461
And there was a lot of alcohol
on Canvey, big drinking culture.
504
00:33:19,461 --> 00:33:21,949
The drummer we had been using,
505
00:33:21,949 --> 00:33:24,381
he wanted to go back in the army,
506
00:33:24,381 --> 00:33:27,619
and I said, ‘Well, I know
a good drummer.‘ Figure.
507
00:33:27,619 --> 00:33:33,232
Wilko come knocking on my door
one night with Chris and Lee.
508
00:33:33,232 --> 00:33:36,231
and asked if I'd join their band
temporarily to go to Holland
509
00:33:36,231 --> 00:33:39,470
which I jumped at,
never been abroad before.
510
00:33:39,470 --> 00:33:42,333
I remember going to
Wilko's house one night.
511
00:33:42,333 --> 00:33:46,878
Instead of opening the door, he pushed out
a poster that had our pictures and names,
512
00:33:46,878 --> 00:33:50,490
and that was really exciting, to
see something was actually happening,
513
00:33:50,490 --> 00:33:53,400
rather than just playing
at the local bingo hall.
514
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:57,569
We played these youth club places,
which were really cool,
515
00:33:57,569 --> 00:34:00,956
like hippy kind of vibe places,
and we would play twice a day.
516
00:34:08,245 --> 00:34:10,313
It was the first time we'd played
517
00:34:10,313 --> 00:34:13,131
to that kind of actual
rock'n'roll audience,
518
00:34:13,131 --> 00:34:14,676
and I really liked it.
519
00:34:14,676 --> 00:34:17,403
You know, so you get all the girls.
520
00:34:17,403 --> 00:34:21,345
Very nice girls. Somewhere or
other I thought we'd got something.
521
00:34:21,345 --> 00:34:24,538
I think it was largely
to do with Lee.
522
00:34:24,538 --> 00:34:27,673
If he went into a room,
he would attract attention.
523
00:34:27,673 --> 00:34:31,138
Because we were always trying
to get some sort of reaction,
524
00:34:31,138 --> 00:34:33,706
Lee would jump out
the window of the pub
525
00:34:33,706 --> 00:34:37,171
or start singing in the car park.
It had a unique sound to it.
526
00:34:37,171 --> 00:34:38,671
There was something about it
527
00:34:38,671 --> 00:34:42,102
that was very spiteful and knocked you about.
528
00:34:43,964 --> 00:34:46,168
Passionate R&B, played with venom.
529
00:34:46,168 --> 00:34:50,349
♫ Down in Louisiana
close to New Orleans... ♫
530
00:34:50,349 --> 00:34:54,325
We're nowhere near New Orleans,
but we are in the Thames Delta.
531
00:34:54,325 --> 00:34:57,131
I don't think we were very
highly regarded round here.
532
00:34:57,131 --> 00:35:00,595
All the local bands and that,
they were into wearing frocks
533
00:35:00,595 --> 00:35:02,811
and singing about flying
to Mars, you know.
534
00:35:02,811 --> 00:35:05,379
So, you know, we were just
completely un-hip.
535
00:35:05,379 --> 00:35:07,402
And this is Pilgrim's Progress.
536
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:23,744
Everybody else was doing progressive
rock, with long hair and greatcoats.
537
00:35:23,744 --> 00:35:26,379
Pink Floyd, King Crimson
and all that stuff.
538
00:35:26,379 --> 00:35:29,515
The Feelgoods looked very much like
they were out of the '60s
539
00:35:29,515 --> 00:35:30,924
and they were playing R&B.
540
00:35:30,924 --> 00:35:34,253
Nobody was doing that. It was so
different to what was happening.
541
00:35:34,253 --> 00:35:36,230
Crusade is the right word.
542
00:35:36,230 --> 00:35:39,140
You're trying to impose
something different on people.
543
00:35:40,304 --> 00:35:43,066
It was time that the
balloon was burst.
544
00:35:43,066 --> 00:35:45,463
Wilko, at that time,
was my schoolteacher.
545
00:35:45,463 --> 00:35:48,009
'He was teaching English
to secondary school kids.'
546
00:35:48,009 --> 00:35:50,077
I really enjoyed teaching.
I loved it.
547
00:35:50,077 --> 00:35:53,304
He weren't a very orthodox schoolteacher,
I could tell you that.
548
00:35:53,304 --> 00:35:54,803
We really liked him.
549
00:35:54,803 --> 00:35:58,417
He'd sit cross legged on
the table, chewing his hair,
550
00:35:58,417 --> 00:36:01,518
telling us stories
of walking across India.
551
00:36:01,518 --> 00:36:03,257
Oh, dear, er...
552
00:36:03,257 --> 00:36:05,279
You should not have seen this.
553
00:36:05,279 --> 00:36:07,756
I really am a schoolteacher there.
554
00:36:07,756 --> 00:36:09,539
And this is fifth years, right,
555
00:36:09,539 --> 00:36:12,958
and they've got a super 8 camera,
and they're making a film.
556
00:36:12,958 --> 00:36:15,072
They come into me and
they're going, listen,
557
00:36:15,072 --> 00:36:16,720
we want you to cane jill.
558
00:36:16,720 --> 00:36:18,082
And, I go 'Huh?'
559
00:36:18,082 --> 00:36:21,833
And this girl, I liked this girl.
560
00:36:21,833 --> 00:36:26,014
You know... You mustn't, you know,
look at them or anything,
561
00:36:26,014 --> 00:36:28,025
but I did like this girl.
562
00:36:28,025 --> 00:36:29,490
Lovely girl.
563
00:36:29,490 --> 00:36:33,138
Then jill says, she goes, 'I'm
wearing some frilly knickers.‘
564
00:36:33,138 --> 00:36:35,671
And I'm going, ‘Now look,
hold it right there.‘
565
00:36:35,671 --> 00:36:38,023
I said, 'I'm not doing
anything of the kind,
566
00:36:38,023 --> 00:36:39,431
‘I'll be arrested‘
567
00:36:39,431 --> 00:36:43,284
And then I sort of blew it out
and merely struck this pose,
568
00:36:43,284 --> 00:36:45,953
which could still go
on many a website.
569
00:36:45,953 --> 00:36:47,931
Then I've got to go
and see the headmaster.
570
00:36:47,931 --> 00:36:50,044
Come in.
571
00:36:50,044 --> 00:36:52,442
So I go in there,
and say, ‘All right?‘
572
00:36:52,442 --> 00:36:56,236
He said, 'I'm gonna have to say
something to you
573
00:36:56,236 --> 00:37:00,121
‘that I've never had to say
to a teacher in 20 years.‘
574
00:37:00,121 --> 00:37:03,303
He says, ‘You've got to do
something about your appearance. '
575
00:37:03,303 --> 00:37:07,052
How dare you come in here
looking like that, boy!
576
00:37:08,325 --> 00:37:12,960
Slammed his hand on the desk and said, ‘Damn it boy, people think you're a student!‘
577
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,631
I said, 'Don't you call me boy.
I ain't a boy.‘
578
00:37:15,631 --> 00:37:19,346
I said, ‘I've travelled further,
geographically and intellectually
579
00:37:19,346 --> 00:37:21,687
‘than most of your f. . .staff.
Don't call me boy.‘
580
00:37:21,687 --> 00:37:23,800
‘When do you want me to leave?‘
581
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:28,072
Right now, you've been a bloody disgrace to this school! I was well out of there.
582
00:37:28,072 --> 00:37:31,628
When I was leaving, I was saying, 'I'm gonna be in a rock'n'roll band.‘
583
00:37:31,628 --> 00:37:36,684
I said, ‘I'll be back, I'll be back in a golden Cadillac full of paintings, then you'll be sorry.‘
584
00:37:36,684 --> 00:37:41,229
Well, the one bit of artwork I did
was actually the Dr Feelgood logo,
585
00:37:41,229 --> 00:37:45,114
which even now people have actually
got tattooed on them.
586
00:37:45,114 --> 00:37:48,068
So, a little bit of an achievement.
587
00:37:48,068 --> 00:37:52,851
In those days, we used to sometimes get gigs backing this character called Heinz.
588
00:37:52,851 --> 00:37:57,635
There was this big hit
record called Telstar.
589
00:37:57,635 --> 00:37:59,646
So, here's the Tornadoes.
590
00:38:05,823 --> 00:38:08,402
Heinz was the bass
player in the band, right.
591
00:38:08,402 --> 00:38:13,128
And this was produced by joe Meek,
who took a close interest in Heinz.
592
00:38:13,128 --> 00:38:16,412
He was sort of a blonde,
Aryan-looking young chap.
593
00:38:16,412 --> 00:38:19,093
♫ ..and love today... ♫
594
00:38:19,093 --> 00:38:21,626
He had a German mother, didn't he?
595
00:38:21,626 --> 00:38:25,092
Actually his surname was German, so
I suspect him of being 100% German.
596
00:38:25,092 --> 00:38:27,238
♫ Heinz bakes the meanest beans... ♫
597
00:38:27,238 --> 00:38:31,453
He was still going out doing Teddy Boy gigs and he needed a backing band.
598
00:38:31,453 --> 00:38:34,589
♫ Woo, I love to rock'n'roll... ♫
599
00:38:39,742 --> 00:38:45,127
He got a spot on this Wembley
rock'n'roll show in 1972,
600
00:38:45,127 --> 00:38:46,945
when they had Chuck Berry,
601
00:38:46,945 --> 00:38:51,910
Jerry Lee Lewis, Little Richard,
Bo Diddley, and then there's Heinzy.
602
00:38:51,910 --> 00:38:53,603
There's me. Red and black shirt.
603
00:39:09,425 --> 00:39:11,675
I'm thinking, ‘This is all right!‘
604
00:39:11,675 --> 00:39:14,959
I quite like this, I was
a schoolteacher last week.
605
00:39:17,617 --> 00:39:19,355
♫ I love to rock'n'roll... ♫
606
00:39:22,579 --> 00:39:25,113
Ironically, he died
a few years back.
607
00:39:25,113 --> 00:39:28,578
I don't know if you can guess
what age he was?
608
00:39:28,578 --> 00:39:30,032
57!
609
00:39:32,323 --> 00:39:34,993
The band, the style,
we were playing in the band
610
00:39:34,993 --> 00:39:37,902
and your barnet's getting
in your face, things like that.
611
00:39:37,902 --> 00:39:41,185
It come the time to
cut my hair, so I cut it.
612
00:39:41,185 --> 00:39:46,105
One day, he just got in the van,
he had the short back and sides, which shocked us all.
613
00:39:46,105 --> 00:39:50,230
There was a point where
the Feelgoods became characters.
614
00:39:50,230 --> 00:39:53,456
The problem was that there were
three Johns in the band.
615
00:39:53,456 --> 00:39:55,853
There were three...
four. . .three Johns!
616
00:39:55,853 --> 00:39:58,012
In fact, Lee's middle name was John.
617
00:39:58,012 --> 00:40:00,125
So we go, ‘All right, John?
‘Yeah, John.‘
618
00:40:01,848 --> 00:40:04,982
There was John Martin the drummer.
619
00:40:04,982 --> 00:40:08,699
Wilko and Lee christened me the Big Figure,
but it was more a title than a name.
620
00:40:08,699 --> 00:40:10,619
This is the Big Figure.
621
00:40:10,619 --> 00:40:14,982
Will Birch, I think, first,
suggested the name of Wilko Johnson.
622
00:40:14,982 --> 00:40:17,606
Wilko is John Wilkinson.
623
00:40:17,606 --> 00:40:19,765
Someone suggested Sparko for me.
624
00:40:19,765 --> 00:40:23,275
Lee Collinson became Lee Brilleaux.
625
00:40:23,275 --> 00:40:26,889
Brilleaux come from his hairstyle,
which he claimed looked like a Brillo pad.
626
00:40:26,889 --> 00:40:30,501
He liked the, er, New Orleans
aspect of the word Brilleaux.
627
00:40:30,501 --> 00:40:33,467
B-R-O-L-L-E-A-U-X.
628
00:40:33,467 --> 00:40:36,138
I remember standing
in the pub with Wilko,
629
00:40:36,138 --> 00:40:38,944
dreaming about becoming rock stars.
630
00:40:38,944 --> 00:40:43,580
We were saying, wouldn't it be great to have
the limos, the roadies, the groupies and the drugs.
631
00:40:43,580 --> 00:40:46,489
I think the other three thought
632
00:40:46,489 --> 00:40:50,522
that, well,
this is part-time, bit of fun.
633
00:40:50,522 --> 00:40:54,692
We used to think, wouldn't it be nice
if we could earn enough money out of playing music
634
00:40:54,692 --> 00:40:56,578
that we wouldn't
have to go to work?
635
00:40:56,578 --> 00:40:58,226
Little did we know, of course.
636
00:40:58,226 --> 00:41:02,305
And that was about, certainly
in my case, as far as the dream went.
637
00:41:06,654 --> 00:41:11,608
Once we got to London, all right, the
game became serious, quite honestly.
638
00:41:11,608 --> 00:41:12,971
London is a hub.
639
00:41:12,971 --> 00:41:16,493
You needed to operate out there
to do the gigs,
640
00:41:16,493 --> 00:41:18,936
to get the buzz going initially.
641
00:41:18,936 --> 00:41:21,083
So what's the plan, eh?
I'm coming to that.
642
00:41:21,083 --> 00:41:25,445
It was impossible to get gigs, unless
you had a record deal and an agent.
643
00:41:25,445 --> 00:41:29,195
You couldn't get an agent unless you
had a record deal, it was catch 22.
644
00:41:29,195 --> 00:41:32,626
All that changed with
the pub rock circuit in London,
645
00:41:32,626 --> 00:41:35,761
around about 1972.
646
00:41:35,761 --> 00:41:41,477
Suddenly it was possible to play to small audiences,
100-200 people in a room, minimal equipment.
647
00:41:41,477 --> 00:41:44,897
That was the scene that
suited the Feelgoods.
648
00:41:44,897 --> 00:41:49,351
We took an expeditional journey
to London in the Big Figure's Rover.
649
00:41:49,351 --> 00:41:52,350
Went to this pub and saw a
band called Duck's Deluxe.
650
00:41:52,350 --> 00:41:55,816
We thought, yeah. Not a million
miles away from what we're doing.
651
00:41:55,816 --> 00:41:59,201
I'm gonna go through it once more
to make sure there are no slip-ups.
652
00:41:59,201 --> 00:42:03,463
I would have the van.
Pick Lee up, drive, pick Sparko up.
653
00:42:03,463 --> 00:42:07,963
Figure, Wilko,
off the A13, and off to London.
654
00:42:07,963 --> 00:42:10,212
Go up like a little
strike force there.
655
00:42:10,212 --> 00:42:14,064
Do your show,
turn around, and come home.
656
00:42:14,064 --> 00:42:17,768
I said to this friend of mine,
there's this group in Southend.
657
00:42:17,768 --> 00:42:20,903
You really ought to see them.
They look and sound like nothing else.
658
00:42:20,903 --> 00:42:23,482
And he said,
‘Oh, OK, we'll put them on.‘
659
00:42:23,482 --> 00:42:26,618
And magically, out of the blue,
Duck's Deluxe had cancelled.
660
00:42:26,618 --> 00:42:31,867
13th july 1973, your mates,
Dr Feelgood, can come and do it.
661
00:42:41,597 --> 00:42:44,506
♫ I saw you the out other night
662
00:42:45,712 --> 00:42:48,677
♫ I saw somebody hold you tight
663
00:42:48,677 --> 00:42:51,301
♫ Roxette
664
00:42:51,301 --> 00:42:54,267
♫ I wonder who it could be... ♫
665
00:42:56,314 --> 00:42:58,234
♫ It was so dark I couldn't see
666
00:42:58,234 --> 00:43:00,017
♫ But I know it wasn't me
667
00:43:00,017 --> 00:43:02,040
♫ When I tell you it ain't right
668
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:03,449
♫ I know you've got to agree
669
00:43:06,584 --> 00:43:09,016
♫ And now you're gonna pay... ♫
670
00:43:19,216 --> 00:43:20,818
They did their show, it was OK.
671
00:43:20,818 --> 00:43:23,487
They didn't set the place
on fire by any means.
672
00:43:23,487 --> 00:43:27,658
Bearing in mind what was around
at the time, Sweet, bands like Sweet.
673
00:43:27,658 --> 00:43:30,657
♫ We just haven't got
a clue what to do... ♫
674
00:43:30,657 --> 00:43:33,567
We must have stood
out like sore thumbs.
675
00:43:33,567 --> 00:43:36,941
Who's this lot, was the kind of
feel as we mounted the stage.
676
00:43:43,583 --> 00:43:48,127
We had to get to work the next morning.
So, we were basically getting our stuff back in the van.
677
00:43:48,127 --> 00:43:51,592
Picking up a Chinese on the way home,
or a curry. That was it, back to bed.
678
00:43:53,829 --> 00:43:58,896
I think the bank raid, the smash and grab approach,
was probably what was on their minds at the time.
679
00:44:01,978 --> 00:44:06,192
I suppose audiences thought they might be
watching four guys who'd just done a bank job
680
00:44:06,192 --> 00:44:08,772
and, oh, and in their spare
time they play R&B.
681
00:44:09,658 --> 00:44:12,657
People up in London weren't
quite sure about Canvey Island.
682
00:44:12,657 --> 00:44:15,463
They'd heard about it, and
it had a bit of a reputation.
683
00:44:15,463 --> 00:44:17,350
We quite consciously exploited that
684
00:44:17,350 --> 00:44:19,462
with a load of Herberts from Canvey,
685
00:44:19,462 --> 00:44:21,860
and turn up in big motors
and things.
686
00:44:21,860 --> 00:44:26,496
I prefer the morose attitude, you know,
just try to look and feel mean.
687
00:44:26,496 --> 00:44:30,859
It seemed inappropriate somehow to
look like you were enjoying yourself.
688
00:44:30,859 --> 00:44:32,222
With your little smile...
689
00:44:32,222 --> 00:44:34,755
I don't know, what were we?
Some kind of gang.
690
00:44:39,472 --> 00:44:44,346
I used to go up to London on the pub gigs
after bunking half a day off school.
691
00:44:44,346 --> 00:44:47,958
You'd think there was a riot going on
in the pub, you know what I mean?
692
00:44:47,958 --> 00:44:51,845
The places were small and they were just
giving it as much stick as they could.
693
00:45:05,554 --> 00:45:09,122
Us lot started jumping about and
climbing up the curtains and things.
694
00:45:09,122 --> 00:45:12,167
It really did bring the house down.
695
00:45:12,167 --> 00:45:18,359
People found us a bit startling, not the sort
of thing you're supposed to see in a pub. All this energy.
696
00:45:18,359 --> 00:45:22,994
Obviously if you're taking people
by surprise, you see the reaction, you know?
697
00:45:22,994 --> 00:45:26,381
They were just out
of the Essex Estuary
698
00:45:26,381 --> 00:45:28,675
and just kicking off.
699
00:45:30,495 --> 00:45:34,766
They'd been sitting around
for the last five years
700
00:45:34,766 --> 00:45:39,311
listening to stupid synthesisers
and things, you know, and it's...
701
00:45:39,311 --> 00:45:43,436
Rock'n'roll's not about the Hobbit
and things like that.
702
00:45:43,436 --> 00:45:45,413
That's for girls, you know?
703
00:45:45,413 --> 00:45:46,776
Children's music.
704
00:45:46,776 --> 00:45:49,173
This is for people who
want to have a good time.
705
00:45:51,219 --> 00:45:53,662
A lot of it was
actually quite tedious.
706
00:45:53,662 --> 00:45:55,309
Dr Feelgood, when they appeared,
707
00:45:55,309 --> 00:45:57,423
the first time I saw them,
they had a buzz.
708
00:45:57,423 --> 00:46:01,365
They have short hair,
they have suits on, they have ties.
709
00:46:01,365 --> 00:46:04,921
Lee Brilleaux looks like
a used car salesman.
710
00:46:04,921 --> 00:46:08,864
He looks as though he should have
cigarettes nailed to his lips.
711
00:46:08,864 --> 00:46:11,726
I was still working on a building
site. I'd come home from work
712
00:46:11,726 --> 00:46:14,953
and the van would be waiting for me
outside my house,
713
00:46:14,953 --> 00:46:18,521
and I would just have time to get
changed and jump in the van.
714
00:46:20,106 --> 00:46:22,582
We basically went up to town
in our working gear.
715
00:46:22,582 --> 00:46:25,162
Lee works in a solicitor's,
so he had a suit on.
716
00:46:25,162 --> 00:46:27,605
A white suit, once white,
as though it's been kind of
717
00:46:27,605 --> 00:46:31,399
rolled on the floor several times,
as though someone's thrown up on it.
718
00:46:31,399 --> 00:46:35,569
Lee's white suit was actually
quite famous.
719
00:46:35,569 --> 00:46:39,739
It featured on the back of the
NME at Christmas time one year.
720
00:46:39,739 --> 00:46:42,511
He lived in that suit.
721
00:46:47,368 --> 00:46:50,698
There wasn't time to
go to the cleaners.
722
00:46:50,698 --> 00:46:54,686
Well, I always gone for the
black suit, this is 15 quid in Asda.
723
00:46:54,686 --> 00:46:57,401
Wilko wears a black suit,
day in, day out.
724
00:46:57,401 --> 00:47:00,401
Get up in it, go to bed in it.
Lee'd have his white one on.
725
00:47:00,401 --> 00:47:03,502
He'd be the one under the bonnet
when the Transit blows up,
726
00:47:03,502 --> 00:47:05,570
so that's all full of crap, isn’t it?
727
00:47:05,570 --> 00:47:10,161
The other two, John B Sparks and Big Figure,
they kind of look more like Irish nawies.
728
00:47:10,161 --> 00:47:14,661
They were like small-town hoodlums
who'd lucked out on getting a job with this outfit.
729
00:47:14,661 --> 00:47:19,591
The one you'd really see would be John B Sparks
in a wedding suit, with big wide lapels.
730
00:47:19,591 --> 00:47:25,398
Pretty broad, flared trousers,
stack-heel boots.
731
00:47:25,398 --> 00:47:29,056
It's what you call a bastard suit!
732
00:47:29,056 --> 00:47:31,783
Couldn't have been a less
glamorous rhythm section.
733
00:47:35,698 --> 00:47:38,560
That first time
that I went to the Kensington,
734
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:41,947
it was absolutely heaving, and beer
flying all over the place.
735
00:47:41,947 --> 00:47:45,650
There's this one guy who was
really moving around
736
00:47:45,650 --> 00:47:50,388
and kind of dancing and knocking people over,
and he turned out to be Jake Riviera.
737
00:47:53,140 --> 00:47:55,389
I can remember they were tremendous.
738
00:47:55,389 --> 00:47:58,582
Everyone was interested,
because the word was out.
739
00:47:58,582 --> 00:48:01,162
There's this bunch of kids
from Canvey Island
740
00:48:01,162 --> 00:48:02,286
who were really red hot.
741
00:48:07,762 --> 00:48:09,909
Most of what we played
was cover stuff.
742
00:48:09,909 --> 00:48:14,363
They realised they had to write their own material
to take it to another stage.
743
00:48:14,363 --> 00:48:17,737
There was a song called She Does
It Right. It had this riff, er...
744
00:48:22,222 --> 00:48:24,472
♫ Well, if there's
something that I like
745
00:48:25,926 --> 00:48:27,665
♫ It's the way that woman walk
746
00:48:28,733 --> 00:48:30,562
♫ If there's something I like better
747
00:48:31,629 --> 00:48:33,651
♫ Is the way she baby talks
748
00:48:33,651 --> 00:48:35,104
♫ She does it right
749
00:48:37,165 --> 00:48:38,199
♫ She does it right
750
00:48:40,951 --> 00:48:43,859
♫ She works hard every night
just to make me feel all right
751
00:48:43,859 --> 00:48:47,609
♫ She told me not to worry
Cos there ain't a single trouble in sight
752
00:48:51,728 --> 00:48:53,511
♫ You ought to see her jerk
753
00:48:54,434 --> 00:48:57,116
♫ You ought to see her walk
on the floor
754
00:48:57,116 --> 00:48:58,990
♫ And when she gets back to her seat
755
00:49:00,111 --> 00:49:01,986
♫ All the people cry for more
756
00:49:03,576 --> 00:49:05,394
♫ She does it right
757
00:49:05,394 --> 00:49:07,791
♫ She does it right
758
00:49:08,819 --> 00:49:11,818
♫ She works hard every night
just to make me feel all right
759
00:49:11,818 --> 00:49:15,000
♫ She told me not to worry
Cos there ain't a single trouble in sight. ♫
760
00:49:21,551 --> 00:49:25,494
I would write songs, definitely
kind of imagining Lee's voice.
761
00:49:25,494 --> 00:49:27,516
They were written for him.
762
00:49:30,975 --> 00:49:35,930
Couldn't have, er, too much
poetry or anything like that.
763
00:49:35,930 --> 00:49:37,725
I don't really like poetry.
764
00:49:38,696 --> 00:49:39,968
Aaaaaaaaahhhhh!
765
00:49:39,968 --> 00:49:42,831
Lee would be quite happy
just to sing an old classic.
766
00:49:42,831 --> 00:49:46,581
He weren't into art, was he?
Scorn not the sonnet, critic.
767
00:49:46,581 --> 00:49:50,944
What we're singing about is bad luck,
a lot of the time, but I think most blues singers
768
00:49:50,944 --> 00:49:54,499
have got their tongue very
firmly placed in their cheek.
769
00:49:54,499 --> 00:49:57,362
They're almost saying,
‘All right, this is a lousy deal,
770
00:49:57,362 --> 00:49:59,657
‘but it'll be all right
at the end of the day.
771
00:49:59,657 --> 00:50:02,475
'Let's have a good time anyway,
get drunk and forget it.
772
00:50:02,475 --> 00:50:08,338
In those days, and up until. .
early middle age, I was very strictly teetotal.
773
00:50:08,338 --> 00:50:12,133
The very word pub has
bad associations for me.
774
00:50:12,133 --> 00:50:17,813
We shouldn't forget that although Wilko
doesn't drink, Lee really consumes huge amounts.
775
00:50:17,813 --> 00:50:23,154
When you see Lee sweating on stage,
you realise there's beer coming out of him!
776
00:50:28,718 --> 00:50:31,341
Wilko would just seem
to look into the eyes
777
00:50:31,341 --> 00:50:36,306
of every single person in the audience,
and almost hypnotise them.
778
00:50:36,306 --> 00:50:41,977
A lot of the time, actually, I'm just gazing
into middle distance, I don't actually see anybody.
779
00:50:41,977 --> 00:50:45,771
If you gaze into middle distance,
everybody thinks you've looked at them.
780
00:50:45,771 --> 00:50:49,430
A little trick I learned when I was
a schoolteacher. just go like that.
781
00:50:49,430 --> 00:50:52,101
They all think you're looking
at them, but you're not.
782
00:50:52,101 --> 00:50:54,214
That stare was quite frightening.
783
00:50:54,214 --> 00:50:58,428
Wilko's eyes were a very important
factor of Dr Feelgood. Were they big?
784
00:50:58,428 --> 00:51:00,587
Yeah, they're extremely big.
785
00:51:00,587 --> 00:51:06,019
It was scary, and I think
that scariness is what appealed
786
00:51:06,019 --> 00:51:09,961
to a young audience, and
out of that young audience
787
00:51:09,961 --> 00:51:12,495
came a shit load of punk groups.
788
00:51:12,495 --> 00:51:15,301
You can see that bands would
come and check us out.
789
00:51:15,301 --> 00:51:19,664
They put on a show. It didn't look like
they was acting, they just went for it.
790
00:51:19,664 --> 00:51:22,243
Got the hairs on the
back of your neck going.
791
00:51:22,243 --> 00:51:25,435
We met Johnny Rotten and people
like that. Yeah, they were fans.
792
00:51:25,435 --> 00:51:28,105
joe Strummer goes along
to the Windsor Castle.
793
00:51:28,105 --> 00:51:32,275
He looks in the window,
and he is riveted by what he sees.
794
00:51:35,264 --> 00:51:40,468
Dr Feelgood were just like a machine
of intense proportion.
795
00:51:40,468 --> 00:51:45,718
Few groups have ever rivalled
Dr Feelgood at their most intense.
796
00:51:45,718 --> 00:51:47,638
It's an epiphany for him.
797
00:51:47,638 --> 00:51:51,297
He goes out and buys the same
guitar for when he forms The 101'ers.
798
00:51:51,297 --> 00:51:56,830
He'd seen us, what we were doing, and I think
it galvanised his ideas about what he was trying to do.
799
00:51:56,830 --> 00:52:01,704
No attempt to try and dress
themselves up as celebrities
800
00:52:01,704 --> 00:52:05,646
and enjoying some kind of privileged
lifestyle. In fact, quite the opposite.
801
00:52:05,646 --> 00:52:08,930
Had anybody done that before?
I'm not sure if they had.
802
00:52:08,930 --> 00:52:12,031
They were punk before punk,
weren't they?
803
00:52:12,031 --> 00:52:15,213
The pub rock scene was very
small, sweaty clubs,
804
00:52:15,213 --> 00:52:19,394
lots of people drinking and smoking fags,
and it was free, most places.
805
00:52:19,394 --> 00:52:22,485
And each different pub had its own
group of people.
806
00:52:22,485 --> 00:52:26,370
They would be a bunch of bricklaying
gangs that were in there,
807
00:52:26,370 --> 00:52:31,290
who were absolutely riveted.
Faces were in the crowd.
808
00:52:31,290 --> 00:52:32,938
There was a buzz going on.
809
00:52:32,938 --> 00:52:36,074
This taxi pulls up,
and people getting out of the taxi.
810
00:52:36,074 --> 00:52:41,425
I'm thinking, ‘Bloody hell, man, people who can afford
to ride in taxis are coming to see us!‘
811
00:52:41,425 --> 00:52:43,254
You know, so we're
making it, you know!
812
00:52:43,254 --> 00:52:48,640
Lady Diana was a regular. She would come to
the Feelgood shows when we played the Kensington,
813
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:51,503
with her three flatmates who
had a place around the corner.
814
00:52:51,503 --> 00:52:57,081
And all of a sudden someone would say,
‘You know, that bloke who's here, that's John Mortimer.‘
815
00:52:57,081 --> 00:52:59,046
I didn't know
who John Mortimer was.
816
00:52:59,046 --> 00:53:02,944
After the seventh week
I said to this landlord,
817
00:53:02,944 --> 00:53:04,955
‘Are you happy enough
with everything?‘
818
00:53:04,955 --> 00:53:06,091
And he said,
819
00:53:06,091 --> 00:53:08,954
‘I want Dr Feelgood
playing at this venue
820
00:53:08,954 --> 00:53:12,794
‘until such time as
they are out in the big field.
821
00:53:12,794 --> 00:53:15,374
‘Cos I know this band
is going places.‘
822
00:53:15,374 --> 00:53:17,953
We were on our way.
823
00:53:17,953 --> 00:53:20,953
The sort of lower part
of the sky was the limit.
824
00:53:23,476 --> 00:53:27,646
And the NME put Dr Feelgood on the
cover before they'd even got a deal.
825
00:53:27,646 --> 00:53:30,452
This caused a tremendous
furore in the music business.
826
00:53:30,452 --> 00:53:34,485
How can you put a group on the cover
of the NME who haven't got a deal?!
827
00:53:34,485 --> 00:53:37,212
The Feelgoods were made
for the music papers.
828
00:53:37,212 --> 00:53:41,530
They got acres and acres of press.
Which was soon to become the darlings of the press.
829
00:53:41,530 --> 00:53:44,905
Editors of NME and Melody Maker,
scuttling all around London
830
00:53:44,905 --> 00:53:48,097
trying to find the seediest pub with
the seediest band playing in it.
831
00:53:48,097 --> 00:53:52,550
They started saying, ‘Where are you from?‘
‘Canvey Island.‘ 'Where's that?‘
832
00:53:52,550 --> 00:53:55,460
‘This funny little place
in the Thames Estuary.‘
833
00:53:55,460 --> 00:54:00,334
We brought a journalist from the NME
down and he'd say, ‘Look, here it is.‘
834
00:54:00,334 --> 00:54:04,050
The wow factor would
be very strong on that.
835
00:54:04,050 --> 00:54:09,253
It had a certain romance to it.
We saw that was a worker, and we used it.
836
00:54:09,253 --> 00:54:13,378
And we used to say that there was
this great oil scene going on here,
837
00:54:13,378 --> 00:54:16,183
and it's an ugly existence,
and that's what's making us
838
00:54:16,183 --> 00:54:18,660
want to crawl out and make
our way in the world.
839
00:54:18,660 --> 00:54:21,853
We went down to Canvey Island,
because that's where they were from.
840
00:54:21,853 --> 00:54:24,523
We thought it would be
a lost island of rhythm and blues.
841
00:54:24,523 --> 00:54:28,556
It was a lost island - a lost
island of gasometers, and wasteland.
842
00:54:28,556 --> 00:54:30,487
I think we did a good PR exercise.
843
00:54:30,487 --> 00:54:34,748
Thousands of tourists flood here
from the four corners of the earth.
844
00:54:34,748 --> 00:54:38,919
This is Canvey Heights behind us,
which used to be Canvey refuge tip.
845
00:54:38,919 --> 00:54:43,657
I love it, because all of a sudden we've
got a bit of altitude on Canvey Island.
846
00:54:43,657 --> 00:54:47,407
We've now got a 15 metre
hill to climb up.
847
00:54:47,407 --> 00:54:50,304
There's very much a sense of
them coming from Canvey Island.
848
00:54:50,304 --> 00:54:53,871
I think it's quite
important to their mythology.
849
00:54:53,871 --> 00:54:56,166
It is the sort of perfect
backdrop for them.
850
00:54:56,166 --> 00:55:01,518
It's almost a seaside town, but it's
so completely busted and broken.
851
00:55:03,567 --> 00:55:06,987
Wilko's very good at painting
pictures of Canvey
852
00:55:06,987 --> 00:55:10,179
being like the Mississippi Delta.
853
00:55:10,179 --> 00:55:12,008
The Thames Delta, that's it!
854
00:55:12,008 --> 00:55:15,099
Yeah, you thought you were
going to Mississippi or somewhere.
855
00:55:15,099 --> 00:55:19,223
He would liken the mud flats
and the little inlets and the creeks
856
00:55:19,223 --> 00:55:23,109
to the sort of place where maybe
somebody like Muddy Waters had played.
857
00:55:23,109 --> 00:55:25,507
When you get this thing Oil City,
858
00:55:25,507 --> 00:55:29,392
you see the flame burning down
there, the stacks, the towers.
859
00:55:29,392 --> 00:55:34,085
I always used to think of it as Babylon.
I babble on about Babylon frequently.
860
00:55:34,085 --> 00:55:39,846
You see this beautiful oil refinery in the night time,
you see the flame burning, all the lights.
861
00:55:39,846 --> 00:55:43,925
In the morning you would look across
the room and you'd see the refinery there,
862
00:55:43,925 --> 00:55:47,311
and a kind of blue, misty light.
It looked wonderful.
863
00:55:47,311 --> 00:55:52,276
You were standing there and looking across
to this sort of celestial city... Shell haven, really.
864
00:55:54,990 --> 00:55:57,796
♫ Stand and watch the towers
burning at the break of day
865
00:56:00,693 --> 00:56:04,078
♫ Steadily slowing down
On my feet since yesterday
866
00:56:06,833 --> 00:56:09,834
♫ Gotta get a move on
to try to find a man I know
867
00:56:12,825 --> 00:56:16,006
♫ Money in my pocket
Looking for a place to go
868
00:56:16,006 --> 00:56:18,779
♫ That's what I've been doing baby
869
00:56:18,779 --> 00:56:21,255
♫ I've been searching
all through the city
870
00:56:21,255 --> 00:56:24,584
♫ See you in the morning
down by the jetty... ♫
871
00:56:30,532 --> 00:56:33,906
Everything looked good. Our form was
good, and our pedigrees were good
872
00:56:33,906 --> 00:56:36,394
but we couldn't get a deal,
not that easily.
873
00:56:37,701 --> 00:56:40,235
And then all of a sudden
we were signed up.
874
00:56:40,235 --> 00:56:43,370
Andrew Lauder from
United Artists Records signed us.
875
00:56:43,370 --> 00:56:45,484
I've got a heart!
876
00:56:45,484 --> 00:56:50,266
We were given completely free reign
and allowed to make our own mistakes.
877
00:56:50,266 --> 00:56:53,266
♫ I've been searching
all through the city
878
00:56:53,266 --> 00:56:56,266
♫ See you in the morning
down by the jetty
879
00:56:57,808 --> 00:56:59,547
I've got this Muddy Waters album.
880
00:56:59,547 --> 00:57:04,478
He's coming down a wooden step. I love this picture,
and thought, I want a picture like that,
881
00:57:04,478 --> 00:57:07,239
that we could have a picture
on the sea wall there.
882
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:11,409
When we come and take the pictures,
we'd done a gig in London that night
883
00:57:11,409 --> 00:57:13,761
and we all come to Canvey
in the van,
884
00:57:13,761 --> 00:57:17,374
and we were all soaking wet
still from the gig
885
00:57:17,374 --> 00:57:20,465
and we come up to the lobster smack,
where these jetties are.
886
00:57:20,465 --> 00:57:23,555
Four o'clock in the morning, and Lee
fell asleep, just about there.
887
00:57:23,555 --> 00:57:25,907
I think I... What was it, 1974,
888
00:57:25,907 --> 00:57:29,793
I think I slept about
three times that year.
889
00:57:31,100 --> 00:57:35,179
And this photographer, he took a
couple of black and white ones,
890
00:57:35,179 --> 00:57:40,201
and then we started posing around and
he's got these lovely colour prints, didn't he?
891
00:57:40,201 --> 00:57:43,848
But these black and white ones were
all like... They were the ones.
892
00:57:43,848 --> 00:57:46,949
They were the kiddies.
They turned up the studio,
893
00:57:46,949 --> 00:57:50,085
he's got these
beautiful colour prints.
894
00:57:50,085 --> 00:57:54,676
He comes in, he said, ‘Look at these,‘
and you spilt coffee right on them, didn't you?
895
00:57:54,676 --> 00:57:57,312
A cooler cafe!
896
00:58:01,556 --> 00:58:05,544
The main tour in the UK which broke
us was the Naughty Rhythms tour.
897
00:58:07,508 --> 00:58:10,553
It was a 40-odd day concert tour,
right around the country.
898
00:58:10,553 --> 00:58:14,825
There was no looking back
for the Feelgoods after that.
899
00:58:14,825 --> 00:58:16,279
Keep going. Keep going!
900
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:21,986
Record companies signing bands,
they think, they work in clubs,
901
00:58:21,986 --> 00:58:24,235
what will they be like
when they're on a big stage?
902
00:58:24,235 --> 00:58:26,872
We couldn't wait for that.
We want room to move.
903
00:58:35,241 --> 00:58:41,137
Lee was the nucleus, he was this
solidity in the centre of the stage,
904
00:58:41,137 --> 00:58:46,159
who provided a kind of
gravitational force for Wilko,
905
00:58:46,159 --> 00:58:48,783
who'd move about the
stage quite frenetically,
906
00:58:48,783 --> 00:58:53,567
sometimes being drawn towards Lee,
sometimes shooting off.
907
00:58:53,567 --> 00:58:59,372
It was like two planets
that would occasionally collide.
908
00:59:05,170 --> 00:59:10,000
It was a very good rapport between Wilko and I.
I think we were a good foils for each other.
909
00:59:18,751 --> 00:59:21,796
Like bullfighting, you know,
it's just that, peacocking,
910
00:59:21,796 --> 00:59:25,125
putting their chests out and dancing
for each other. Come on, take me on.
911
00:59:33,599 --> 00:59:37,155
Lee Brilleaux's presence, the way that
he wore a suit and jutted his jaw,
912
00:59:37,155 --> 00:59:39,779
for boys that wanted a hard-on
and couldn't admit to it,
913
00:59:39,779 --> 00:59:42,597
that'd be Lee Brilleaux
doing it for them.
914
00:59:44,741 --> 00:59:48,127
I really don't understand any of it.
915
00:59:53,449 --> 00:59:56,221
The way Wilko moves
around stage is phenomenal.
916
00:59:56,221 --> 00:59:58,368
I could never figure
how he did those moves.
917
00:59:58,368 --> 01:00:00,618
The original amphetamine kid.
918
01:00:00,618 --> 01:00:04,083
Skittering across stage.
Scuttling all around London.
919
01:00:04,083 --> 01:00:06,764
Whizzling around on these
psychedelic tram lines,
920
01:00:06,764 --> 01:00:10,514
scattering across in front of Lee,
who took no notice of him.
921
01:00:10,514 --> 01:00:12,912
The charisma of that,
you cannot buy in shops.
922
01:00:12,912 --> 01:00:14,786
Who invented that term, skittering?
923
01:00:14,786 --> 01:00:17,558
Skittering?
You'll find it in the OED,
924
01:00:17,558 --> 01:00:19,956
I believe the
first recorded example...
925
01:00:19,956 --> 01:00:22,432
It's in William Langland's
Piers Plowman,
926
01:00:22,432 --> 01:00:27,499
when the character of Gluttony is said
to skitter across the pasture looking for food.
927
01:00:27,499 --> 01:00:28,999
Skitter.
928
01:00:32,691 --> 01:00:34,804
It... Well, it says here
"Diarrhoea."
929
01:00:34,804 --> 01:00:37,338
'Looseness or laxity
of the bowels. '
930
01:00:37,338 --> 01:00:38,418
There's another one.
931
01:00:38,418 --> 01:00:43,338
‘A light skipping movement
or the sound caused by this.‘
932
01:00:43,338 --> 01:00:48,633
I was just trying to express myself
and I realised it looked a bit deranged.
933
01:00:53,493 --> 01:00:58,515
In Wilko's stage persona there was
an element of possible psychosis.
934
01:00:58,515 --> 01:01:03,571
He was almost in a kind of angry
revolt against his own life.
935
01:01:03,571 --> 01:01:08,775
You felt that this man,
in his struggle with these demons,
936
01:01:08,775 --> 01:01:13,558
was entitled to be on the edge of madness
because he was engaged in such an epic struggle,
937
01:01:13,558 --> 01:01:17,682
and it was a perfect parallel to
somebody working in a small town job
938
01:01:17,682 --> 01:01:20,784
that they are
completely frustrated by.
939
01:01:20,784 --> 01:01:23,965
Is it an expression of urban
angst or something? Maybe.
940
01:01:23,965 --> 01:01:28,045
But I don't think you necessarily
have to see anything like that in it.
941
01:01:31,146 --> 01:01:35,963
And there was a big groundswell
of fervour around the Feelgoods.
942
01:01:35,963 --> 01:01:39,486
1975, I think,
being their breakthrough year.
943
01:01:41,115 --> 01:01:46,080
Mr Brilleaux, Melody Maker has you
on the 18 Best Names to Watch.
944
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:49,034
How do you feel about that?
945
01:01:49,034 --> 01:01:50,682
Well, they're right, I hope.
946
01:01:50,682 --> 01:01:54,476
It probably means we're not a name
to watch now it's in the Melody Maker!
947
01:01:54,476 --> 01:01:57,533
Do you have something to say
about it? No, it's been said.
948
01:01:57,533 --> 01:01:59,680
You realise you've
actually got a following.
949
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:03,396
You're going out in front of bigger audiences,
realising that all these people,
950
01:02:03,396 --> 01:02:05,509
They're wearing a nice black suit.
951
01:02:05,509 --> 01:02:10,520
They feel like part of it and you
start to feel like a star.
952
01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:12,020
Shhhhh!
953
01:02:12,020 --> 01:02:14,236
And it's a pretty good feeling.
954
01:02:16,613 --> 01:02:20,828
Back to the studio again for Dr Feelgood.
This is great, this is Keep It Out Of Sight.
955
01:02:20,828 --> 01:02:22,056
♫ You movin' up
956
01:02:24,622 --> 01:02:27,848
♫ Man, the place is getting hot, yeah
957
01:02:27,848 --> 01:02:29,348
♫ You just can't lose, baby
958
01:02:30,664 --> 01:02:33,846
♫ With all that stuff that you got
959
01:02:36,187 --> 01:02:40,027
♫ You know the people understand
you got a reputation
960
01:02:40,027 --> 01:02:42,334
♫ You don't wanna argue,
fuss and fight
961
01:02:42,334 --> 01:02:45,391
♫ Keep it out of sight, yeah
962
01:02:45,391 --> 01:02:47,504
♫ You keep it out of sight... ♫
963
01:02:47,504 --> 01:02:50,968
Wilko thought when we do
the second album we could have a go
964
01:02:50,968 --> 01:02:55,048
at doing it ourselves, which we did,
and we think Malpractice is quite a good album.
965
01:02:56,540 --> 01:02:59,403
♫ I wanna live
966
01:02:59,403 --> 01:03:01,425
♫ The way I like
967
01:03:01,425 --> 01:03:03,959
♫ Sleep all the morning
968
01:03:03,959 --> 01:03:07,662
♫ Go and get my fun at night
969
01:03:07,662 --> 01:03:09,263
♫ Things ain't like that here
970
01:03:10,288 --> 01:03:15,254
♫ Working just to keep
my payments clear
971
01:03:18,806 --> 01:03:21,476
♫ Bought a brand new motor
972
01:03:21,476 --> 01:03:24,612
♫ And I'm waiting for a loan
973
01:03:24,612 --> 01:03:26,828
♫ So I can fill her up and start her
974
01:03:26,828 --> 01:03:29,725
♫ And I go back home... ♫
975
01:03:53,131 --> 01:03:56,266
Sometime in '75 I went
to the UK for the first time,
976
01:03:56,266 --> 01:03:57,721
saw Dr Feelgood.
977
01:03:57,721 --> 01:04:01,618
I bought back the second
album, Malpractice.
978
01:04:01,618 --> 01:04:05,084
We were having a party at our rehearsal
loft over here on the Bowery.
979
01:04:05,084 --> 01:04:09,822
Everyone that was involved in the whole New York
rock scene was at the party, pretty much,
980
01:04:09,822 --> 01:04:14,604
whether it be Johnny Thunders, the Ramones,
or Blondie, Richard Hell, all the bands.
981
01:04:14,604 --> 01:04:19,343
We put on that Malpractice record,
and it never really left the turntable the whole night.
982
01:04:19,343 --> 01:04:22,717
Everyone went nuts for that record.
983
01:04:22,717 --> 01:04:24,694
We were pretty big all over.
984
01:04:24,694 --> 01:04:29,716
France, Germany, Spain,
Switzerland, all of Scandinavia.
985
01:04:29,716 --> 01:04:33,840
The most magnificent gig I think we
played was in Orange, in France.
986
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:35,817
We'd flown in
by private aircraft.
987
01:04:35,817 --> 01:04:38,624
It was our first time
in a chartered plane,
988
01:04:38,625 --> 01:04:42,090
and we were flying to Orange in France
to play in a Roman amphitheatre.
989
01:04:42,090 --> 01:04:44,431
We were in this plane,
all very excited,
990
01:04:44,431 --> 01:04:47,669
and Wilko decided
he was going to fly the plane.
991
01:04:47,669 --> 01:04:50,578
It's a four-engine plane,
it's a Handley Page Heron.
992
01:04:50,578 --> 01:04:52,725
The next thing we know
he's in the cockpit.
993
01:04:52,725 --> 01:04:55,634
I'd just taken it off from Avignon.
994
01:04:55,634 --> 01:05:00,224
I was just about
at the top of my trajectory.
995
01:05:00,224 --> 01:05:03,088
And I knew he was out of his brains.
996
01:05:03,088 --> 01:05:05,201
And the pilot lets him fly.
997
01:05:05,201 --> 01:05:09,893
I'd just got a camera, so I went in and tapped him
on the shoulder and I took this picture of him.
998
01:05:09,893 --> 01:05:13,596
I started mugging to the camera.
Still flying, right.
999
01:05:13,596 --> 01:05:17,119
Do you want that person flying
you round the world? You don't.
1000
01:05:17,119 --> 01:05:23,026
We were all cramming in vodka and tonics
cos he thought it was funny to sort of fly around.
1001
01:05:23,026 --> 01:05:24,345
Rock'n'roll!
1002
01:05:24,345 --> 01:05:27,764
Yeah. Oh, you're gonna loop
the loop, are you? Not with me in it.
1003
01:05:27,764 --> 01:05:30,718
We made a statement to the pilot,
and said ‘Enough of this.‘
1004
01:05:30,718 --> 01:05:34,661
Let's strap him in his chair. Do you
have any straight jackets on board?
1005
01:05:34,661 --> 01:05:36,547
I know what I'm doing, you see!
1006
01:05:39,764 --> 01:05:41,741
We were alight that night.
1007
01:05:41,741 --> 01:05:46,763
We hit the stage and everything sounded fantastic,
the drums sounded like canons.
1008
01:05:46,763 --> 01:05:49,899
And the sun was just going down,
the light was just perfect.
1009
01:05:54,531 --> 01:05:57,860
That was the best
I'd ever heard the band.
1010
01:05:57,860 --> 01:06:00,257
And that cracked us in France.
1011
01:06:00,257 --> 01:06:02,325
♫ I'm going back down
1012
01:06:04,183 --> 01:06:06,625
♫ Back to Oil City soon
1013
01:06:08,775 --> 01:06:11,502
♫ I'll bring back my second cousin
1014
01:06:12,849 --> 01:06:15,803
♫ Let her join the conker room
1015
01:06:17,434 --> 01:06:19,592
♫ I'm a man
1016
01:06:21,837 --> 01:06:25,121
♫ I spell M...
1017
01:06:26,510 --> 01:06:28,861
♫A...
1018
01:06:30,914 --> 01:06:33,357
♫N...
1019
01:06:35,408 --> 01:06:37,749
♫Man...♫
1020
01:06:40,601 --> 01:06:44,589
If you'd been dreaming about becoming
a pop star, or a footballer, or anything,
1021
01:06:44,589 --> 01:06:51,190
all your youth and teenage years,
it's almost impossible for it not to have an effect.
1022
01:06:51,190 --> 01:06:53,531
Lee lived very modestly.
1023
01:06:53,531 --> 01:06:57,190
I'm sure he enjoyed the fame
and all that came with it,
1024
01:06:57,190 --> 01:06:59,393
but he kept a level head, I think.
1025
01:06:59,393 --> 01:07:02,166
I think Wilko really enjoyed it,
1026
01:07:02,166 --> 01:07:05,120
and he was gonna enjoy it,
and he did enjoy it.
1027
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:09,903
We had a lot of difficult times with him.
He was different from us in his social habits.
1028
01:07:09,903 --> 01:07:12,210
He was spending a lot
of his time off of Canvey,
1029
01:07:12,210 --> 01:07:16,289
more so than the rest of us. We
did tend to see less of him, yeah.
1030
01:07:17,821 --> 01:07:22,093
What happens invariably
is one member of the group
1031
01:07:22,093 --> 01:07:26,547
meets girl in London, and that
group member starts living in London.
1032
01:07:26,547 --> 01:07:30,763
In the case of the Feelgoods,
Wilko was the guy who has taken off.
1033
01:07:31,790 --> 01:07:35,540
We didn't set out to be stars,
but when that started happening,
1034
01:07:35,540 --> 01:07:38,028
you walk into a place
and everybody's looking.
1035
01:07:38,028 --> 01:07:39,903
I mean, that feels good.
1036
01:07:39,903 --> 01:07:41,834
You just walk along,
you keep very cool.
1037
01:07:43,366 --> 01:07:47,218
You know. But all the time, of
course, you're really on stage.
1038
01:07:47,218 --> 01:07:52,467
You can't go out for the evening and
be one of the chaps, you're posing away there.
1039
01:07:52,467 --> 01:07:56,773
When I've seen the stars and they're
complaining about the paparazzi -
1040
01:07:56,773 --> 01:08:00,477
leave us alone and all that - it's
just bollocks, man, you love it.
1041
01:08:00,477 --> 01:08:02,261
I actually started working
with them.
1042
01:08:02,261 --> 01:08:04,329
I must have been about 16, I think.
1043
01:08:04,329 --> 01:08:06,726
We were very, very rock'n'roll.
1044
01:08:06,726 --> 01:08:09,033
Whatever we could
get hold of, we'd do.
1045
01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:22,456
After gigs we'd all come back to
hotels, we'd end up in one room and
1046
01:08:22,456 --> 01:08:25,966
just jolly up, and didn't really
seem to worry about the next day.
1047
01:08:37,294 --> 01:08:39,635
What's your name? Jan, who are you?
1048
01:08:39,635 --> 01:08:41,794
I'm the doctor, Doctor Eager.
1049
01:08:41,794 --> 01:08:43,714
How do you feel? I feel good.
1050
01:08:43,714 --> 01:08:45,407
Oh, doesn't she do it well?
1051
01:08:45,407 --> 01:08:47,520
That sounds just like
the title of the group.
1052
01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:50,610
Dr Feelgood. And here they are
with their brand new single,
1053
01:08:50,610 --> 01:08:51,974
called Back In The Night.
1054
01:08:56,274 --> 01:08:59,705
♫ Back in the night
1055
01:08:59,705 --> 01:09:03,545
♫ We laid down by the fireside
1056
01:09:03,545 --> 01:09:07,624
♫ Back in the night
1057
01:09:07,624 --> 01:09:11,090
♫ You shook me like a landslide
1058
01:09:11,090 --> 01:09:14,839
♫ I nearly missed the early shift
1059
01:09:14,839 --> 01:09:18,544
♫ Dreaming in the morning
about the things that we did
1060
01:09:18,544 --> 01:09:21,781
♫ Back in the night... ♫
1061
01:09:21,781 --> 01:09:24,645
It's like a roller coaster
that runs out of control.
1062
01:09:24,645 --> 01:09:27,121
We weren't in control
of what was happening.
1063
01:09:27,121 --> 01:09:30,314
It was just all happening so fast.
Put the brakes on.
1064
01:09:31,895 --> 01:09:33,678
♫ Back in the night
1065
01:09:36,437 --> 01:09:38,175
♫ Back in the night
1066
01:09:39,712 --> 01:09:41,633
♫ Back in the night
1067
01:09:43,457 --> 01:09:45,343
♫ Back in the night
1068
01:09:46,544 --> 01:09:48,339
♫ Beneath your love light... ♫
1069
01:09:56,519 --> 01:09:59,247
The idea that you've got to
live in some ivory tower
1070
01:09:59,247 --> 01:10:01,394
and can't go out
without a bodyguard,
1071
01:10:01,394 --> 01:10:03,280
people bothering you in the street,
1072
01:10:03,280 --> 01:10:06,234
that's something I wouldn't
be interested in at all.
1073
01:10:06,234 --> 01:10:09,984
I'd rather quit than go through that,
I don't know how other people stand it.
1074
01:10:09,984 --> 01:10:11,813
Do I want to go to String fellows?
1075
01:10:11,813 --> 01:10:14,302
I'd rather go to a
dog meeting or something.
1076
01:10:19,353 --> 01:10:22,249
We're in the Grand Public House
in Leigh on Sea.
1077
01:10:22,249 --> 01:10:25,112
And this is where Lee Brilleaux
used to drink.
1078
01:10:25,112 --> 01:10:29,054
Nobody bothers me in the town I live in,
I'm accepted, not as somebody who is well known
1079
01:10:29,054 --> 01:10:31,588
round the rest of the world or
anything like that,
1080
01:10:31,588 --> 01:10:33,088
I'm accepted purely as me.
1081
01:10:33,088 --> 01:10:36,610
The vast majority think, that's
that bloke in a rock'n'roll band.
1082
01:10:36,610 --> 01:10:39,473
just as if I was working in
the garage around the corner.
1083
01:10:39,473 --> 01:10:42,053
I remember once when Lee
came into the bar here,
1084
01:10:42,053 --> 01:10:44,916
he'd been on tour, and the
Transit was stopped at the door
1085
01:10:44,916 --> 01:10:47,347
and he'd come in for
a drink before he went home.
1086
01:10:47,347 --> 01:10:50,074
And he came in one day
and asked for a gin and tonic.
1087
01:10:50,074 --> 01:10:51,722
And they didn't have any ice.
1088
01:10:51,722 --> 01:10:54,029
So he called for a taxi,
he sent a taxi
1089
01:10:54,029 --> 01:10:56,756
down to the supermarket,
come back with a bag of ice.
1090
01:10:56,756 --> 01:10:59,063
And he slammed it on the bar
and said,
1091
01:10:59,063 --> 01:11:02,994
'There's your fucking ice,
now give me a gin and tonic.‘
1092
01:11:02,994 --> 01:11:05,857
He could throw a shape.
He had a temper.
1093
01:11:05,857 --> 01:11:08,674
Especially if there was
no ice in the dressing room.
1094
01:11:08,674 --> 01:11:10,924
Despite Lee's look of confidence,
1095
01:11:10,924 --> 01:11:13,878
inside there, there was
a lack of confidence.
1096
01:11:13,878 --> 01:11:18,150
We all get over that in our own way
and Lee's way
1097
01:11:18,150 --> 01:11:20,491
was to show off incredibly on stage.
1098
01:11:20,491 --> 01:11:25,558
Lee was a kind of
Dickensian gentleman.
1099
01:11:25,558 --> 01:11:30,193
If there were ladies in the shop,
he would stand back
1100
01:11:30,193 --> 01:11:33,284
and allow the ladies to
go first if they so wished.
1101
01:11:33,284 --> 01:11:35,397
He was a complete gentleman
1102
01:11:35,397 --> 01:11:38,590
when you were out talking to him
in the pub of an evening,
1103
01:11:38,590 --> 01:11:41,976
but on stage he
was completely opposite,
1104
01:11:41,976 --> 01:11:44,373
like a lunatic, a madman.
1105
01:11:44,373 --> 01:11:47,180
I don't know if I'd
have even recognised him.
1106
01:11:47,180 --> 01:11:51,724
He wasn't really angry,
I mean, it was all an act.
1107
01:11:51,724 --> 01:11:54,678
It seemed to go over
all right, didn't it?
1108
01:11:54,678 --> 01:11:58,291
Who are you, who are you,
who is the real Lee?
1109
01:11:58,291 --> 01:12:01,847
I like to think that part of the real me
is the part speaking to you now.
1110
01:12:01,847 --> 01:12:05,641
There is another me, which is the one
that gets up on the stage and performs.
1111
01:12:05,642 --> 01:12:08,733
When I'm up on the stage
I become something different,
1112
01:12:08,733 --> 01:12:10,755
something more aggressive, maybe.
1113
01:12:10,755 --> 01:12:14,788
If I carried on like that in a restaurant
or a supermarket I'd soon be arrested.
1114
01:12:14,788 --> 01:12:17,459
It's a little bit like going
to a wrestling match.
1115
01:12:17,459 --> 01:12:19,857
You know the wrestler
is not really a monster.
1116
01:12:19,857 --> 01:12:24,265
He's not really going to hurt the
other man. That's part of the fun.
1117
01:12:24,265 --> 01:12:26,742
The Feelgoods went to America.
1118
01:12:26,742 --> 01:12:30,730
They were signed over there
to what was then CBS.
1119
01:12:30,730 --> 01:12:32,605
And they had a convention
in San Diego.
1120
01:12:32,605 --> 01:12:34,855
We had a fantastic time!
1121
01:12:34,855 --> 01:12:38,319
It was cocktails by the pool.
And we did a few little gigs.
1122
01:12:38,319 --> 01:12:43,149
We found a bar and we met a
couple of dancers in there.
1123
01:12:43,149 --> 01:12:48,069
And we were having a good time, and
one of the girls, her name was Suds,
1124
01:12:48,069 --> 01:12:50,978
and I said,
‘That's an interesting name,
1125
01:12:50,978 --> 01:12:52,864
‘Suds, why are you called Suds?‘
1126
01:12:52,864 --> 01:12:55,432
She said, ‘Cos I like
to get men in a lather.‘
1127
01:12:55,432 --> 01:12:59,794
Not something I'm really
enamoured of, that nickname,
1128
01:12:59,794 --> 01:13:01,442
but yeah, people called me that.
1129
01:13:02,980 --> 01:13:05,002
And she became Mrs Brilleaux.
1130
01:13:05,002 --> 01:13:10,013
And I'll never forget it because
I glanced up at this guy,
1131
01:13:10,013 --> 01:13:14,285
and he had the most intense
gaze I can remember ever seeing.
1132
01:13:14,285 --> 01:13:16,865
I was slightly frightened.
1133
01:13:16,865 --> 01:13:19,727
We all ended up getting
quite inebriated
1134
01:13:19,727 --> 01:13:23,010
and when it came time to leave
we went out and got in the car,
1135
01:13:23,010 --> 01:13:26,431
and as we were about to drive
away we realised that Lee
1136
01:13:26,431 --> 01:13:29,521
had climbed into the car with us
1137
01:13:29,521 --> 01:13:35,520
and he was kind of all contorted
behind the seats.
1138
01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:39,599
We had to ask him to get out,
please, and ride back with the band.
1139
01:13:42,222 --> 01:13:46,301
I went with Lee to
Canvey Island after dark
1140
01:13:46,301 --> 01:13:50,186
and then the next day,
when it was broad daylight,
1141
01:13:50,186 --> 01:13:54,912
it was kind of
quite surprising really.
1142
01:13:54,912 --> 01:13:56,651
It was flat and bleak.
1143
01:13:56,651 --> 01:14:00,446
The parallel that I saw was
that it looked so much like
1144
01:14:00,446 --> 01:14:04,240
southern Louisiana, kind of up
river from New Orleans,
1145
01:14:04,240 --> 01:14:06,967
there's a refinery town
called Norco.
1146
01:14:06,967 --> 01:14:09,774
I thought it looked
a lot like Norco.
1147
01:14:09,774 --> 01:14:13,659
It wasn't really what I was hoping.
1148
01:14:15,765 --> 01:14:19,048
We were under pressure
after the Malpractice album
1149
01:14:19,048 --> 01:14:20,878
to come up with more products.
1150
01:14:20,878 --> 01:14:23,878
Record companies are always
pushing their acts for that.
1151
01:14:23,878 --> 01:14:28,240
Wilko was finding it more and
more difficult to come up with the material.
1152
01:14:28,240 --> 01:14:31,150
When it came to the third album,
which everybody knew
1153
01:14:31,150 --> 01:14:34,569
was going to go mental, cos they were
so huge live, what have you got?
1154
01:14:34,569 --> 01:14:35,979
Nothing.
1155
01:14:35,979 --> 01:14:40,569
So it was decided by the record company
with our agreement that we do a live album.
1156
01:14:40,569 --> 01:14:43,376
We had a very intense
touring programme.
1157
01:14:43,376 --> 01:14:48,908
So to actually do a live recording
was a kind of easy way out.
1158
01:14:50,306 --> 01:14:53,532
♫ I can tell
I can tell
1159
01:14:53,532 --> 01:14:57,054
♫ I know you don't
love me no more... ♫
1160
01:14:59,624 --> 01:15:03,327
I didn't really have any rucks
with the company or anything
1161
01:15:03,327 --> 01:15:05,349
until we came to do Stupidity.
1162
01:15:05,349 --> 01:15:09,099
I found out when they record a live
concert they have their microphone
1163
01:15:09,099 --> 01:15:11,576
up against everything,
the way they do in a studio.
1164
01:15:11,576 --> 01:15:13,792
Also what they have
is two microphones
1165
01:15:13,792 --> 01:15:15,995
up in the middle of
the hall somewhere.
1166
01:15:15,995 --> 01:15:18,723
I wanted to use that sound.
1167
01:15:18,723 --> 01:15:21,858
♫ I know pretty baby
that you put me down... ♫
1168
01:15:23,965 --> 01:15:28,270
But the A&R guy at the company
didn't like this idea.
1169
01:15:28,270 --> 01:15:32,157
He wanted us to do overdubs on it
and clean it all up.
1170
01:15:32,157 --> 01:15:34,827
And I said, ‘No,
if you're making a live record
1171
01:15:34,827 --> 01:15:36,326
‘that's the way it should be.
1172
01:15:36,326 --> 01:15:39,054
‘If you want to make a smooth
record, you do it in a studio.‘
1173
01:15:39,054 --> 01:15:41,361
Jam it!
1174
01:15:41,361 --> 01:15:44,780
It got really eyeball to eyeball
with me and this A&R guy
1175
01:15:44,780 --> 01:15:47,087
but I didn't waiver.
1176
01:15:47,087 --> 01:15:51,677
He's a very powerful person. He's
got means of getting his own way.
1177
01:15:51,677 --> 01:15:54,734
And the guy who was an engineer,
he said to me,
1178
01:15:54,734 --> 01:15:56,938
‘We're gotta let Wilko
have his way on this
1179
01:15:56,938 --> 01:16:00,881
‘and this record is gonna die a
death, then he'll do as he's told.‘
1180
01:16:00,881 --> 01:16:03,551
So we put the record out and
it went straight to number one.
1181
01:16:03,551 --> 01:16:07,585
He didn't know whether to laugh or
cry. But I felt pretty clever.
1182
01:16:07,585 --> 01:16:11,379
That night we had a huge celebration
1183
01:16:11,379 --> 01:16:15,742
in the Trust House Forte Hotel
at Southampton.
1184
01:16:15,742 --> 01:16:17,105
We got so drunk
1185
01:16:17,105 --> 01:16:20,297
that we demanded to have all the
tropical fish out of the tank,
1186
01:16:20,297 --> 01:16:22,444
trying to eat them and
all this sort of thing.
1187
01:16:22,444 --> 01:16:25,307
The manager was going,
‘Please don't eat my fish!‘
1188
01:16:25,307 --> 01:16:29,670
I had no idea that
the band was so huge.
1189
01:16:29,670 --> 01:16:31,886
I was astounded when I got
to London
1190
01:16:31,886 --> 01:16:34,318
and there were posters
of them everywhere.
1191
01:16:34,318 --> 01:16:37,613
It was all about Dr Feelgood
at the time. It was fantastic!
1192
01:16:41,248 --> 01:16:46,872
We went to the Odeon Hammersmith,
my husband was going crazy.
1193
01:16:46,872 --> 01:16:49,600
He was as bad as all the youngsters.
1194
01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:52,224
We was so exhilarated.
1195
01:16:52,224 --> 01:16:55,189
We never went to bed all night.
1196
01:16:55,189 --> 01:16:59,121
We couldn't,
we couldn't stop talking about it.
1197
01:17:02,438 --> 01:17:05,495
That show was like nothing
I'd ever seen before.
1198
01:17:05,495 --> 01:17:08,301
All these kids just packed
in there, it was sold out.
1199
01:17:08,302 --> 01:17:10,882
They had kind of rushed the stage
1200
01:17:10,882 --> 01:17:14,961
and were just jumping up and
down and punching the air
1201
01:17:14,961 --> 01:17:19,551
and singing along with the lyrics
and punching each other,
1202
01:17:19,551 --> 01:17:22,323
there was beer flying everywhere.
1203
01:17:22,323 --> 01:17:24,755
I didn't know if I was
gonna get beaten up,
1204
01:17:24,755 --> 01:17:26,686
it was pure theatre to Lee
1205
01:17:26,686 --> 01:17:29,583
and he would perform songs
like Cell Block Number 9.
1206
01:17:42,274 --> 01:17:44,478
That used to be a
real show-stopping song.
1207
01:17:49,804 --> 01:17:53,702
♫ October 2nd 1953
1208
01:17:54,866 --> 01:17:57,013
♫ I was serving time
1209
01:17:57,013 --> 01:18:00,251
♫ For armed robbery
1210
01:18:00,251 --> 01:18:05,637
♫ 4 o'clock in the morning
I was sleeping in my cell
1211
01:18:05,637 --> 01:18:10,181
♫ I heard a whistle blow
and I heard somebody yell
1212
01:18:10,181 --> 01:18:12,988
♫ There's a riot going on... ♫
1213
01:18:15,743 --> 01:18:18,891
At that time Wilko was doing
extraordinary things on stage
1214
01:18:18,891 --> 01:18:20,811
with the guitar, like a machine gun.
1215
01:18:20,811 --> 01:18:24,890
He was effectively acting out
the mowing down of the audience.
1216
01:18:27,780 --> 01:18:29,609
You would kind of
laugh when he did it,
1217
01:18:29,609 --> 01:18:32,143
but it was a kind of
a nervous laugh.
1218
01:18:32,143 --> 01:18:34,540
It was his catch phrase,
'It's a gun.‘
1219
01:18:34,540 --> 01:18:36,233
You used to get wrapped up in it.
1220
01:18:46,194 --> 01:18:49,523
I used to look on Lee,
Lee's there, right.
1221
01:18:49,523 --> 01:18:52,659
He's like the leader, the gang
leader and I'm, I don't know,
1222
01:18:52,659 --> 01:18:54,908
I'm the guy with the machine gun.
1223
01:18:56,364 --> 01:18:57,864
I'd do whatever he says.
1224
01:19:01,186 --> 01:19:03,902
♫ There's a riot going on
1225
01:19:07,498 --> 01:19:08,998
♫ There's a riot going on
1226
01:19:10,924 --> 01:19:13,787
♫ Up in cell block number 9... ♫
1227
01:19:13,787 --> 01:19:16,787
The atmosphere
was completely electric.
1228
01:19:16,787 --> 01:19:20,161
It was an amazing experience.
1229
01:19:20,161 --> 01:19:23,717
And it was completely trashed,
all the seats had been ripped up
1230
01:19:23,717 --> 01:19:27,466
and destroyed and it looked
like it had been hit by a bomb.
1231
01:19:29,059 --> 01:19:36,170
Dr Feelgood were the biggest group
in England by the summer of 1976.
1232
01:19:36,170 --> 01:19:40,534
But they didn't know what
was just around the corner.
1233
01:19:47,314 --> 01:19:50,926
We were too busy enjoying ourselves
to worry about the future too much.
1234
01:19:50,926 --> 01:19:53,369
But of course at the back of our
mind niggling away,
1235
01:19:53,369 --> 01:19:55,619
was, what's going to
happen with the next album?
1236
01:20:04,602 --> 01:20:07,795
Wilko didn't drink.
The other guys in the group
1237
01:20:07,795 --> 01:20:12,476
did develop a drinks. . .culture.
1238
01:20:14,995 --> 01:20:16,596
Legendary-
1239
01:20:16,596 --> 01:20:20,572
We had a reputation
of being big drinkers.
1240
01:20:20,572 --> 01:20:22,641
From where I was standing,
I think
1241
01:20:22,641 --> 01:20:25,503
that was a big divide
between us and Wilko.
1242
01:20:25,503 --> 01:20:28,128
There was a big,
big split in that band.
1243
01:20:28,128 --> 01:20:32,298
Some people were smoking weed,
some people were taking speed.
1244
01:20:32,298 --> 01:20:34,082
Dave used to like a drink
1245
01:20:34,082 --> 01:20:37,411
and I used to like to slope
off to my room and...
1246
01:20:40,502 --> 01:20:42,240
Smoked hashish?
1247
01:20:42,240 --> 01:20:45,762
I also remember being
in Wilko's room
1248
01:20:45,762 --> 01:20:48,806
and him snorting a lot of speed
1249
01:20:48,806 --> 01:20:51,386
and then saying,
right, I'm going to bed now.
1250
01:20:51,386 --> 01:20:53,636
What a rogue and peasant slave am I?
1251
01:20:53,636 --> 01:20:55,840
After going to America
on the first tour
1252
01:20:55,840 --> 01:20:58,806
I think we really discovered
alcohol in a big way then.
1253
01:20:58,806 --> 01:21:01,942
The Americans didn't really know
what to make of it.
1254
01:21:01,942 --> 01:21:03,953
The only town that liked
them was New York.
1255
01:21:03,953 --> 01:21:06,816
You go down Fifth Avenue
in a big stretch limo
1256
01:21:06,816 --> 01:21:09,452
and there's this ton of guys
with you, and you think,
1257
01:21:09,452 --> 01:21:12,314
‘Bloody hell, this is mad,
we come from Canvey Island.‘
1258
01:21:12,314 --> 01:21:14,894
But then again, we can
look New York in the face.
1259
01:21:14,894 --> 01:21:16,905
We'd done the Bottom Line
in New York
1260
01:21:16,905 --> 01:21:19,155
with the Ramones
opening the show for us.
1261
01:21:19,155 --> 01:21:22,905
We all went because it was sort
of a big step up for the Ramones.
1262
01:21:30,579 --> 01:21:34,044
The Feelgoods had this buzz about
them like the next big thing,
1263
01:21:34,044 --> 01:21:36,157
with a number one record in England.
1264
01:21:36,157 --> 01:21:37,658
Wilko really looked psycho.
1265
01:21:37,658 --> 01:21:40,099
That was another attractive thing.
1266
01:21:45,376 --> 01:21:46,706
The air of danger he exuded
1267
01:21:46,706 --> 01:21:50,785
was something that we could all
relate to here in New York.
1268
01:21:50,785 --> 01:21:54,204
They did seem like thugs,
like gangsters.
1269
01:21:54,204 --> 01:21:56,216
Maybe they really were,
I don't know!
1270
01:21:56,216 --> 01:22:00,204
Even though Lee Brilleaux had an
incredible presence on stage,
1271
01:22:00,204 --> 01:22:03,011
it was sort of Wilko that was
stealing the limelight
1272
01:22:03,011 --> 01:22:06,202
with his manic guitar stage moves
and zipping all around.
1273
01:22:06,202 --> 01:22:09,668
I remember we tried to talk to Wilko.
We were telling them how great they were,
1274
01:22:09,669 --> 01:22:12,249
but he wasn't interested in
hearing how great he was.
1275
01:22:12,249 --> 01:22:15,055
You'd get very sleepy,
and you just. ..
1276
01:22:15,055 --> 01:22:18,145
Oh, then you've gotta go on stage,
and you just want to curl up
1277
01:22:18,145 --> 01:22:21,008
and go to sleep, and I wish
everyone would leave me alone.
1278
01:22:21,008 --> 01:22:25,041
He was very stand-offish, I don't
remember there being much, if any,
1279
01:22:25,041 --> 01:22:27,291
interaction between Lee and Wilko.
1280
01:22:27,291 --> 01:22:31,790
And I do have a series of
photographs I took of Wilko
1281
01:22:31,790 --> 01:22:34,233
sitting in the bar
at the Gramersea Hotel,
1282
01:22:34,233 --> 01:22:38,222
looking extremely moody, gazing
out the window away from everyone.
1283
01:22:38,222 --> 01:22:41,596
And while we were trying to immerse
ourselves in American culture,
1284
01:22:41,596 --> 01:22:44,368
Wilko would stay in his room,
ostensibly to write songs.
1285
01:22:44,368 --> 01:22:45,958
Doing what in reality?
1286
01:22:45,958 --> 01:22:49,935
Taking speed, or complaining,
or on the phone to someone, I think.
1287
01:22:49,935 --> 01:22:53,173
I don't know, I wasn't there.
I tried not to be there.
1288
01:22:53,173 --> 01:22:55,980
He'd often get very depressed
about something, and say,
1289
01:22:55,981 --> 01:22:59,083
‘Oh, I don't want to do it,
the whole thing's a load of shit,
1290
01:22:59,083 --> 01:23:00,627
‘this whole business stinks.‘
1291
01:23:00,627 --> 01:23:01,956
And he's perfectly right.
1292
01:23:01,956 --> 01:23:04,910
My philosophy is to laugh at it,
but his is different.
1293
01:23:04,910 --> 01:23:06,501
He'd be all right for five minutes
1294
01:23:06,501 --> 01:23:10,534
and then he'd just disappear and
become very distant and sulky,
1295
01:23:10,534 --> 01:23:14,329
throwing wobblers, and didn't really
seem like the person I used to know.
1296
01:23:14,330 --> 01:23:17,000
T'is not alone, my inky cloak,
good mother.
1297
01:23:18,963 --> 01:23:21,542
I did have the misery a lot
of the time,
1298
01:23:21,542 --> 01:23:24,349
and I have to take a lot
of blame for that.
1299
01:23:24,349 --> 01:23:27,916
I'm not. ..not easy to
get on with, I suppose.
1300
01:23:27,916 --> 01:23:32,280
Another thing about success is that it's bad
for your personality in a lot of ways,
1301
01:23:32,280 --> 01:23:34,903
because you're suddenly
surrounded by people,
1302
01:23:34,903 --> 01:23:37,857
and all you've got to do is stamp
your foot and throw a tantrum,
1303
01:23:37,857 --> 01:23:39,357
and you get anything you want.
1304
01:23:39,357 --> 01:23:41,187
That's terrible!
1305
01:23:41,187 --> 01:23:45,925
I was insufferable. Yeah, I know,
it's embarrassing to me really.
1306
01:23:45,925 --> 01:23:50,140
There was bad feeling between
me and Lee and it got heavy.
1307
01:23:50,140 --> 01:23:52,674
I mean we couldn't be in the same
room together.
1308
01:23:52,674 --> 01:23:55,401
Looking at it now, why,
I do not know, I do not know.
1309
01:23:55,401 --> 01:23:58,172
But it just got
out of all proportion.
1310
01:23:58,172 --> 01:24:00,003
Lee talked about Wilko a lot.
1311
01:24:00,003 --> 01:24:02,071
They'd been friends but,
1312
01:24:02,071 --> 01:24:06,047
I mean, Lee was almost like
a band member scorned.
1313
01:24:06,047 --> 01:24:07,978
Wilko?
1314
01:24:07,978 --> 01:24:12,431
He was sort of, well,
troubled sort of person really.
1315
01:24:12,431 --> 01:24:15,567
They never knew
where they were with him,
1316
01:24:15,567 --> 01:24:20,532
he walked off the stage
one night and left Lee to it.
1317
01:24:20,532 --> 01:24:23,725
He run off into the broom cupboard,
cried,
1318
01:24:23,725 --> 01:24:26,860
and frankly I was ready
to go and beat him up!
1319
01:24:29,247 --> 01:24:32,247
I hadn't actually heard that story!
1320
01:24:32,247 --> 01:24:33,747
But I can believe it.
1321
01:24:33,747 --> 01:24:37,076
That was probably due
to my own over-indulgence,
1322
01:24:37,076 --> 01:24:40,780
but, I wasn't doing it to make
any point, I was terrified,
1323
01:24:40,780 --> 01:24:42,428
I didn't know where I was.
1324
01:24:42,428 --> 01:24:44,496
I came back and I finished the show.
1325
01:24:44,496 --> 01:24:49,699
I can't really even tell you
how bad it was, it was awful.
1326
01:24:49,699 --> 01:24:54,812
Lee became so wrapped up in how
much he disliked Wilko
1327
01:24:54,812 --> 01:24:56,823
that it was difficult
for him, really,
1328
01:24:56,823 --> 01:24:58,607
to concentrate on anything else.
1329
01:24:58,607 --> 01:25:00,584
Lee was racking his brains
1330
01:25:00,584 --> 01:25:04,572
to whether they had capital
punishment in the States,
1331
01:25:04,572 --> 01:25:06,583
that they would perform on him,
1332
01:25:06,583 --> 01:25:10,243
because he thought he'd
go off the stage and kill him.
1333
01:25:12,106 --> 01:25:15,435
It seemed with Wilko that
there was always this paranoia,
1334
01:25:15,435 --> 01:25:19,650
kind of, in the background, this faint sense
of thinking that people were out to get him.
1335
01:25:21,616 --> 01:25:24,014
♫ My mind's in neutral... ♫
1336
01:25:24,014 --> 01:25:26,741
I guess the perception
was that he had become
1337
01:25:26,741 --> 01:25:28,628
a little bit of a prima donna.
1338
01:25:28,628 --> 01:25:30,366
I mean the bloke is a genius,
1339
01:25:30,366 --> 01:25:32,899
you gotta take him as he was,
good and bad.
1340
01:25:32,899 --> 01:25:35,297
There was a lot of good
and bad things about him.
1341
01:25:35,297 --> 01:25:37,649
He could be a right
cunt when he wanted to be.
1342
01:25:37,649 --> 01:25:41,954
Sometimes I get this bad feeling come
on me and make me feel very lonely.
1343
01:25:41,954 --> 01:25:44,909
Like you'd be in a restaurant
or something, having a meal,
1344
01:25:44,909 --> 01:25:47,715
and there's all the
record company people and that,
1345
01:25:47,715 --> 01:25:50,577
and suddenly you get
this loneliness comes on you,
1346
01:25:50,577 --> 01:25:52,555
and you just don't want to be there.
1347
01:25:52,555 --> 01:25:57,055
All you want to do is try and say
to people, ‘Look, I just feel bad.‘
1348
01:25:57,055 --> 01:26:00,337
But because you, you know, maybe
you're not that close any more
1349
01:26:00,337 --> 01:26:03,247
because you've antagonised
each other and things,
1350
01:26:03,247 --> 01:26:05,133
so you can't say anything at all.
1351
01:26:05,133 --> 01:26:08,178
So you sit there and you don't say
nothing, and you're aware
1352
01:26:08,178 --> 01:26:11,597
that all around people are going,
‘What's the matter with him?
1353
01:26:11,597 --> 01:26:13,995
'He's not speaking,
he's getting heavy.‘
1354
01:26:13,995 --> 01:26:17,313
You look around and you realise
there's a big scowl on your face.
1355
01:26:17,313 --> 01:26:20,176
And it builds up, it builds up,
you think, just keep cool,
1356
01:26:20,176 --> 01:26:23,788
you're looking at the plate and
it starts swimming around in front of you,
1357
01:26:23,788 --> 01:26:25,572
and you think, ‘I've got to go.‘
1358
01:26:25,572 --> 01:26:29,094
But there are people on either side
of you and you can't squeeze out.
1359
01:26:29,094 --> 01:26:31,071
And so you just smash your hand down
1360
01:26:31,071 --> 01:26:33,082
and push everybody out the way.
1361
01:26:33,082 --> 01:26:36,412
And you know, there is
another psychopath story,
1362
01:26:36,412 --> 01:26:39,093
and you end up walking down the
street thinking all that,
1363
01:26:39,093 --> 01:26:43,445
just cos I can't turn to anyone and
say, 'I'm feeling a bit bad today!‘
1364
01:26:50,227 --> 01:26:53,783
By this point they had been
working together for six years,
1365
01:26:53,783 --> 01:26:57,635
and with Feelgoods we'd always
been an intense touring band,
1366
01:26:57,635 --> 01:27:01,294
so probably over that period
we'd made over 1,000 shows.
1367
01:27:01,294 --> 01:27:04,294
I think the highest amount was,
I think 330 gigs one year.
1368
01:27:04,294 --> 01:27:07,339
It was incredible.
Enough to kill anybody.
1369
01:27:07,339 --> 01:27:09,497
That in itself is difficult enough
1370
01:27:09,497 --> 01:27:12,689
without having to try
and write songs in-between gigs.
1371
01:27:12,689 --> 01:27:18,871
Where the Feelgoods fell
was when Wilko stopped writing songs,
1372
01:27:18,871 --> 01:27:21,508
or didn't evolve into
a great songwriter,
1373
01:27:21,508 --> 01:27:23,949
like Jagger and Richards did.
1374
01:27:23,949 --> 01:27:27,597
And if you don't have your
own material, you're fucked.
1375
01:27:29,092 --> 01:27:30,741
I also think, as well,
1376
01:27:30,741 --> 01:27:34,820
he didn't always want anyone
else to write the songs.
1377
01:27:34,820 --> 01:27:36,706
Not that we were any
good at it anyway.
1378
01:27:36,706 --> 01:27:40,035
Songwriting,
that always affects, I suppose,
1379
01:27:40,035 --> 01:27:42,239
a lot of musicians, doesn't it?
1380
01:27:42,239 --> 01:27:45,522
Cos one of them starts
making money and one don't.
1381
01:27:45,522 --> 01:27:47,635
I was always
encouraging them to write,
1382
01:27:47,635 --> 01:27:50,305
but they didn't, and I think
that they used to think
1383
01:27:50,305 --> 01:27:52,839
I'd turn up and go,
‘Oh, I've got this song.‘
1384
01:27:52,839 --> 01:27:55,520
I always thought
Lee should have written
1385
01:27:55,520 --> 01:27:58,054
because he was very funny,
very witty.
1386
01:27:58,054 --> 01:28:01,518
That always puzzled me,
why he didn't,
1387
01:28:01,518 --> 01:28:04,836
and why he couldn't, even.
1388
01:28:04,836 --> 01:28:07,836
I found myself writing some.
1389
01:28:07,836 --> 01:28:12,336
I've always been a little bit frightened
that what I'd write wasn't up to scratch.
1390
01:28:12,336 --> 01:28:15,063
I was always a little overawed
by Wilko's talent for it.
1391
01:28:15,063 --> 01:28:18,392
What he said was,
‘I ain't fucking Shakespeare.
1392
01:28:18,392 --> 01:28:21,392
‘I sing them, I don't write them.‘
1393
01:28:21,392 --> 01:28:24,528
The fourth album's coming up,
and the songs had started coming,
1394
01:28:24,528 --> 01:28:27,584
writing the songs, and I thought
'It's gonna be fine.‘
1395
01:28:27,584 --> 01:28:29,743
And then it just all...
it wasn't fine.
1396
01:28:32,877 --> 01:28:34,285
Then the final row came
1397
01:28:34,285 --> 01:28:37,899
while we were making the
recording of Sneaking Suspicion.
1398
01:28:40,327 --> 01:28:44,167
We were at Rockfield Studio
in Wales.
1399
01:28:44,167 --> 01:28:46,326
And you kind of stayed there,
you know?
1400
01:28:46,326 --> 01:28:49,610
Like we'd go into the studio
in the afternoon and work through
1401
01:28:49,610 --> 01:28:52,893
till the early evening,
then they would go off to the pub.
1402
01:28:52,893 --> 01:28:57,303
And I would stay up for two or three
days at a time, I was writing songs.
1403
01:28:57,303 --> 01:28:59,189
Then when we come back
to the recording,
1404
01:28:59,189 --> 01:29:03,359
Wilko weren't at the recording,
there was a session musician called Tim Hinkley.
1405
01:29:03,359 --> 01:29:05,608
He was playing the guitar parts.
1406
01:29:05,608 --> 01:29:07,619
It just became sort of very apparent
1407
01:29:07,619 --> 01:29:10,347
that there was going to
be a lot of aggro amongst them.
1408
01:29:16,846 --> 01:29:22,982
I think we were all kind
of cranked up pretty tight.
1409
01:29:22,982 --> 01:29:25,981
Lee and Sparko and Chris,
particularly,
1410
01:29:25,981 --> 01:29:28,709
had an aversion
to the song Paradise.
1411
01:29:28,709 --> 01:29:32,413
Before the album I'm walking along
in the rain on Canvey Island,
1412
01:29:32,413 --> 01:29:36,583
and I'm getting this repetitive
riff in my mind, like this.
1413
01:29:40,321 --> 01:29:42,434
I wrote this song called Paradise,
1414
01:29:42,434 --> 01:29:44,502
and then suddenly a name,
1415
01:29:44,502 --> 01:29:49,752
for the first time ever, came
into it, which was the name Irene.
1416
01:29:49,752 --> 01:29:52,979
It was all about. ..us.
1417
01:29:52,979 --> 01:29:54,956
♫ Well I went out walking
1418
01:29:54,956 --> 01:29:56,978
♫ I recall
1419
01:29:56,978 --> 01:29:58,989
♫ Me and my best girl
1420
01:29:58,989 --> 01:30:01,898
♫ Along the wall
1421
01:30:01,898 --> 01:30:04,193
♫ In the long grass
1422
01:30:04,193 --> 01:30:06,545
♫ Side by side
1423
01:30:06,545 --> 01:30:08,522
♫ Where the big ships
1424
01:30:08,522 --> 01:30:10,953
♫ Go gliding by
1425
01:30:10,953 --> 01:30:12,510
♫ Go gliding by... ♫
1426
01:30:12,510 --> 01:30:16,066
And it was a song that Wilko had
written exclaiming his love
1427
01:30:16,066 --> 01:30:18,509
for two women,
and not being ashamed of that.
1428
01:30:18,509 --> 01:30:21,747
And it just kind of
went against the grain
1429
01:30:21,747 --> 01:30:25,542
of everything that Lee
felt the Feelgoods stood for.
1430
01:30:25,542 --> 01:30:28,677
It got the straight-laced
horrors about my...
1431
01:30:31,303 --> 01:30:32,622
..concubine!
1432
01:30:32,622 --> 01:30:34,690
You know, it was the rule that,
1433
01:30:34,690 --> 01:30:40,087
no wives or girlfriends, and Wilko's
girlfriend and Irene were there!
1434
01:30:40,087 --> 01:30:42,654
Which, you know, kind of put paid
1435
01:30:42,654 --> 01:30:47,482
to the rules they were
attempting to set for the band.
1436
01:30:47,482 --> 01:30:49,176
None of their business, really.
1437
01:30:49,176 --> 01:30:51,198
I can't tell lies to anybody,
1438
01:30:51,198 --> 01:30:55,322
I can't go in for subterfuge
and everybody knows the score.
1439
01:30:55,322 --> 01:30:56,912
♫ I love two girls
1440
01:30:56,912 --> 01:30:59,458
♫ I ain't ashamed
1441
01:30:59,458 --> 01:31:01,140
♫ I ain't ashamed... ♫
1442
01:31:01,140 --> 01:31:05,128
And one of the things
they was throwing at me was
1443
01:31:05,128 --> 01:31:08,321
that it was a fucking ego trip,
and I'm going...
1444
01:31:08,321 --> 01:31:09,774
'It's not! It's not.‘
1445
01:31:09,774 --> 01:31:11,785
♫ Thinking about what might have been
1446
01:31:11,785 --> 01:31:14,228
♫ I love you still, Irene, Irene... ♫
1447
01:31:18,955 --> 01:31:22,285
So I said, we've gotta finish the
album, if you don't write the songs,
1448
01:31:22,285 --> 01:31:24,205
we're gonna come up with them.
1449
01:31:24,205 --> 01:31:27,102
And there was this song
that Lew Lewis had given them.
1450
01:31:27,102 --> 01:31:30,567
From the day we were going to the
recording studio,
1451
01:31:30,567 --> 01:31:33,203
Lew came to my house
and just handed me a song
1452
01:31:33,203 --> 01:31:37,327
that was scribbled on a bit of
paper, called Lucky Seven.
1453
01:31:40,503 --> 01:31:43,695
They had gone into the studio
and bashed out a song.
1454
01:31:43,695 --> 01:31:45,707
Now, I didn't like it.
1455
01:31:45,707 --> 01:31:47,866
Right, I've got to say,
I didn't like it.
1456
01:31:47,866 --> 01:31:49,456
He said it wasn't Dr Feelgood.
1457
01:31:49,456 --> 01:31:51,195
I do remember thinking to myself,
1458
01:31:51,195 --> 01:31:55,228
'He ain't the only one that's got a right
to define what Dr Feelgood is about. '
1459
01:31:55,228 --> 01:32:00,057
They thought that Lucky Seven was a better song,
and Wilko stood his guns, ‘I want my song.‘
1460
01:32:00,057 --> 01:32:03,569
And there was a big split about these
songs, which one is going on the LP.
1461
01:32:03,569 --> 01:32:07,648
It was night, I was about to crash
out and they turn up from the pub.
1462
01:32:10,918 --> 01:32:12,475
Figure wasn't there.
1463
01:32:12,475 --> 01:32:14,304
Figure never once set any trouble.
1464
01:32:14,304 --> 01:32:16,134
Sparko's an easy going guy.
1465
01:32:16,134 --> 01:32:18,713
So it was me and Lee.
1466
01:32:20,488 --> 01:32:23,578
So you're saying that
when an irresistible force
1467
01:32:23,578 --> 01:32:26,384
meets an immovable object,
something's got to give?
1468
01:32:26,384 --> 01:32:29,771
Maybe I was cutting off my nose to
spite my face, but I was thinking,
1469
01:32:29,771 --> 01:32:33,100
'It's sink or swim, you've got to
make a stand once in a while.‘
1470
01:32:34,634 --> 01:32:37,270
They were taking it one-by-one
to argue with me.
1471
01:32:38,808 --> 01:32:41,899
But they were talking about
things they didn't like,
1472
01:32:41,899 --> 01:32:45,978
and it got to some point, I'm going,
‘While you're talking about things we don't like,
1473
01:32:45,978 --> 01:32:48,319
‘I don't like that
fucking song you've done!‘
1474
01:32:50,661 --> 01:32:52,206
just suddenly it all went bang.
1475
01:32:54,306 --> 01:32:56,465
Terrible.
1476
01:32:56,465 --> 01:32:58,907
Devastation.
1477
01:32:58,907 --> 01:33:01,020
In Canvey Island.
1478
01:33:01,020 --> 01:33:03,361
And a bit of Benfleet too, probably.
1479
01:33:03,361 --> 01:33:04,634
And he more or less said,
1480
01:33:04,634 --> 01:33:07,395
‘Well if you want to do it
this way, I'm gonna leave.‘
1481
01:33:07,395 --> 01:33:10,394
And we said,
‘Well, OK, old chum, go.‘
1482
01:33:15,122 --> 01:33:16,623
And the morning come,
1483
01:33:16,623 --> 01:33:20,656
and the band had broken up, you
know, and er. . .that was that.
1484
01:33:24,631 --> 01:33:28,052
In a very stupid moment he left
and we let him leave, you know,
1485
01:33:28,052 --> 01:33:29,608
I think it was a great pity.
1486
01:33:40,315 --> 01:33:45,279
Wilko maintains that he was given
the push and they say that he left.
1487
01:33:45,279 --> 01:33:48,142
Now I just leave it at that.
1488
01:33:53,288 --> 01:33:57,503
I think that what really happened,
we'd run our course with Wilko.
1489
01:33:57,503 --> 01:33:59,843
I look back now,
and if we were all a bit older
1490
01:33:59,843 --> 01:34:01,673
and we'd acted a bit more sensibly,
1491
01:34:01,673 --> 01:34:04,297
we probably could have
sat down and discussed it.
1492
01:34:04,297 --> 01:34:07,593
It didn't do either side any good
splitting up. I thought Dr Feelgood
1493
01:34:07,593 --> 01:34:11,103
was going to be my one thing I can't
imagine doing anything outside of.
1494
01:34:11,103 --> 01:34:13,455
And I thought,
‘What am I going to do?‘
1495
01:34:13,455 --> 01:34:17,205
And I realise I was kind of trapped
by that, I just had to keep playing.
1496
01:34:21,594 --> 01:34:23,377
And I was very confused,
1497
01:34:23,377 --> 01:34:28,308
and I think I immediately started
making all the wrong decisions.
1498
01:34:28,308 --> 01:34:31,308
Obviously it was a great loss,
because there was this bloke
1499
01:34:31,308 --> 01:34:33,740
who's got this
incredible stage presence,
1500
01:34:33,740 --> 01:34:37,171
skitting about all over the stage,
that's what people wanted to see.
1501
01:34:37,171 --> 01:34:40,636
We thought it would end, and one day
Lee and I said, ‘Well, let's give it a go.‘
1502
01:34:40,636 --> 01:34:44,954
Now if my memory serves me right,
jippy had already been lined up.
1503
01:34:44,954 --> 01:34:50,533
So it was pretty much
a case of one out, one in.
1504
01:34:50,533 --> 01:34:53,156
It's a bit like a football
team that loses a star player.
1505
01:34:53,156 --> 01:34:56,156
You've gotta get a replacement,
you've gotta keep going.
1506
01:34:56,156 --> 01:34:59,679
I think quite a few people lost interest
in the band after Wilko had gone,
1507
01:34:59,679 --> 01:35:03,052
who'd probably been Wilko Johnson
fans rather than Dr Feelgood fans.
1508
01:35:03,052 --> 01:35:06,904
It was never the same after Wilko
was gone, it just wasn't.
1509
01:35:06,904 --> 01:35:08,825
I didn't see the
band after Wilko left.
1510
01:35:08,825 --> 01:35:10,893
I never saw them after that.
1511
01:35:10,893 --> 01:35:14,084
I mean, I like the original
line-ups of things.
1512
01:35:14,084 --> 01:35:16,664
It'd be like if Keith quit
the Rolling Stones.
1513
01:35:16,664 --> 01:35:18,959
There would still be
some Mick supporters,
1514
01:35:18,959 --> 01:35:21,072
but it's not really gonna work.
1515
01:35:21,072 --> 01:35:24,264
What was rather nice is we were able
to prove a lot of people wrong
1516
01:35:24,264 --> 01:35:27,969
because we had chart success
with a song called Milk and Alcohol.
1517
01:35:27,969 --> 01:35:30,410
♫ We got him on milk and alcohol! ♫
1518
01:35:31,483 --> 01:35:34,063
♫ White boy, in town
1519
01:35:34,063 --> 01:35:37,618
♫ Big black, blue sound
1520
01:35:37,618 --> 01:35:40,016
♫ Night club, I paid in
1521
01:35:40,016 --> 01:35:42,970
♫ I got a stamp on my skin
1522
01:35:42,970 --> 01:35:45,697
♫ Main attraction dead on his feet
1523
01:35:45,697 --> 01:35:48,561
♫ Black man rhythm
with a white boy beat
1524
01:35:48,561 --> 01:35:51,843
♫ They got him on milk and alcohol
1525
01:35:54,602 --> 01:35:58,681
♫ They got him on
milk and alcohol... ♫
1526
01:35:58,681 --> 01:36:02,658
Lee was a bit of a gourmet.
He really liked good quality food.
1527
01:36:02,658 --> 01:36:05,714
Fortunately, that's what we provide.
1528
01:36:05,714 --> 01:36:08,020
He came in here and
he was entertaining
1529
01:36:08,020 --> 01:36:12,282
his friends and relatives,
to select the finest meat,
1530
01:36:12,282 --> 01:36:14,634
so that he could make
the finest meals.
1531
01:36:17,016 --> 01:36:19,027
Often I would come home and find
1532
01:36:19,027 --> 01:36:22,912
a menu tacked to the front door
of the house, and Lee would have
1533
01:36:22,912 --> 01:36:27,320
prepared an entire meal for us
with the accompanying wines,
1534
01:36:27,320 --> 01:36:29,661
the dessert, the cheese course.
1535
01:36:29,661 --> 01:36:32,854
He loved doing things like that,
and he loved being at home,
1536
01:36:32,854 --> 01:36:35,672
just as long as it wasn't
for very long.
1537
01:36:35,672 --> 01:36:37,740
It was his idea to arrange a tour
1538
01:36:37,740 --> 01:36:41,205
around the Egon Ronay Guide
and the Good Beer Guide.
1539
01:36:41,205 --> 01:36:46,170
By the time that Sparko and Figure
left, we'd been kind of 10 years.
1540
01:36:46,170 --> 01:36:50,760
And in both their cases, they'd
really had enough of touring.
1541
01:36:50,760 --> 01:36:53,010
But touring was what
it was all about.
1542
01:36:53,010 --> 01:36:55,590
Lee was happy
to do that volume of work,
1543
01:36:55,590 --> 01:36:57,737
it became in his blood to do that.
1544
01:36:57,737 --> 01:37:00,839
I don't think we could
have remained together
1545
01:37:00,839 --> 01:37:03,509
if he hadn't been away
as often as he was.
1546
01:37:03,509 --> 01:37:05,668
In the nicest possible way,
of course,
1547
01:37:05,668 --> 01:37:08,894
but Lee was not the easiest
person to live with.
1548
01:37:08,894 --> 01:37:12,450
He was a very intense guy
and I think the fact that he
1549
01:37:12,450 --> 01:37:16,722
was away travelling a lot of the
time is what saved our marriage.
1550
01:37:16,722 --> 01:37:21,744
I don't think he could exist
outside the band kind of lifestyle.
1551
01:37:21,744 --> 01:37:23,994
You'd miss it if you
were told to stop doing it,
1552
01:37:23,994 --> 01:37:27,221
like smoking,
it's an addiction almost, actually.
1553
01:37:27,221 --> 01:37:30,606
As long as there's life in the old
dog I'll keep doing it, you know.
1554
01:37:30,606 --> 01:37:35,242
You've all done very well, you're on the last leg,
folks, you'll be able to smell lager shortly.
1555
01:37:35,242 --> 01:37:38,855
It was just before Christmas 1992.
1556
01:37:38,855 --> 01:37:42,922
Last night of what had been
quite a long UK tour,
1557
01:37:42,922 --> 01:37:45,229
and Lee had, had an appointment
1558
01:37:45,229 --> 01:37:47,717
with the specialist in London
that afternoon.
1559
01:37:47,717 --> 01:37:52,444
Essentially he'd been
given a death sentence
1560
01:37:52,444 --> 01:37:54,751
by any other way of putting it.
1561
01:37:54,751 --> 01:37:58,215
He went on stage that night at a
club in South London,
1562
01:37:58,215 --> 01:38:00,226
as if nothing was happening.
1563
01:38:00,226 --> 01:38:04,351
Lee just gets on and,
gets on stage and delivers just,
1564
01:38:04,351 --> 01:38:08,293
just a fantastic show, and you're
thinking, how do you do that?
1565
01:38:08,293 --> 01:38:12,269
In the last year of Lee's life
we started getting close again,
1566
01:38:12,269 --> 01:38:14,610
and used to talk about
1567
01:38:14,610 --> 01:38:17,940
the days of the jug band,
and we spoke about recreating
1568
01:38:17,940 --> 01:38:21,928
the jug band, which never actually
happened in the end, unfortunately.
1569
01:38:21,928 --> 01:38:23,802
He came to me in January,
1570
01:38:23,802 --> 01:38:27,836
and he was really looking
bad now, he was very thin.
1571
01:38:27,836 --> 01:38:30,892
He'd had lots of
courses of chemotherapy.
1572
01:38:30,892 --> 01:38:35,063
And he said, I want to record
a show at the Feelgood Music Bar.
1573
01:38:35,063 --> 01:38:38,449
I said, ‘When would you like to do
it?‘ He said, ‘Within two weeks.‘
1574
01:38:38,449 --> 01:38:40,652
I said, ‘Why don't
you leave it a few weeks,
1575
01:38:40,652 --> 01:38:41,971
‘you might feel better.‘
1576
01:38:41,971 --> 01:38:45,584
He said, ‘No, I might feel worse as well,
I want it in two weeks time.‘
1577
01:38:45,584 --> 01:38:49,333
I'm not gonna do any histrionics,
just one name for you, ladies and gentleman.
1578
01:38:49,333 --> 01:38:52,572
Lee Brilleaux, Dr Feelgood!
1579
01:38:52,572 --> 01:38:55,378
Lee actually glowed after that gig,
1580
01:38:55,378 --> 01:38:59,172
I mean, it was almost like
he could step out of it.
1581
01:39:00,711 --> 01:39:04,505
But sadly, 12 weeks later, he died.
1582
01:39:04,505 --> 01:39:07,925
Thank you very much and God
bless you all. Thank you.
1583
01:39:12,234 --> 01:39:17,346
I suppose sometimes Lee must have
missed me, I certainly missed him.
1584
01:39:17,346 --> 01:39:21,324
He was the star. It felt very
powerful to be on stage with him.
1585
01:39:25,256 --> 01:39:27,835
He was a really hard act to follow.
1586
01:39:27,835 --> 01:39:29,846
And I miss him very much.
1587
01:39:29,846 --> 01:39:34,209
You never get over it,
and he was the only child I got.
1588
01:39:34,209 --> 01:39:39,413
If there's one thing I can console
myself about his early death,
1589
01:39:39,413 --> 01:39:42,231
he really did have a magical life.
1590
01:39:48,780 --> 01:39:50,666
He was doing what he loved,
1591
01:39:50,666 --> 01:39:54,313
and I can't picture him
having done it any other way.
1592
01:39:54,313 --> 01:39:56,472
He thought of himself
as the Road Runner.
1593
01:39:56,472 --> 01:39:58,483
You know, that junior Walker song?
1594
01:39:58,483 --> 01:40:00,790
We actually played
that at his funeral.
1595
01:40:00,790 --> 01:40:04,675
I think he used to really relate to that song,
because when we had dinner parties
1596
01:40:04,675 --> 01:40:06,413
and we'd had a few, you know,
1597
01:40:06,413 --> 01:40:09,834
he'd always get up and
put it on, and like, dance to it.
1598
01:40:15,541 --> 01:40:17,984
It's sad but you,
you can feel that Lee
1599
01:40:17,984 --> 01:40:21,358
is spread over the spirit of
the Essex Marshes here.
1600
01:40:21,358 --> 01:40:24,778
It is a kind of a pilgrimage,
because people do
1601
01:40:24,778 --> 01:40:28,857
have to make a decision
and an effort to come here.
1602
01:40:28,857 --> 01:40:32,697
This is the 13th memorial
show we've had since Lee's died.
1603
01:40:32,697 --> 01:40:36,084
It's a celebration
of a great, great guy.
1604
01:40:43,333 --> 01:40:46,332
We were just empowered by what
we did, I still feel it now,
1605
01:40:46,332 --> 01:40:50,264
when I play now, I've got
all the energy in the world for it.
1606
01:40:50,264 --> 01:40:53,172
It still makes the hairs of the
back of my neck tingle,
1607
01:40:53,172 --> 01:40:54,764
when I'm standing at a show.
1608
01:40:54,764 --> 01:40:58,285
I'm just very proud to
have been part of it.
1609
01:41:00,245 --> 01:41:02,076
Since my wife died
1610
01:41:02,076 --> 01:41:03,859
I've been very...
1611
01:41:05,770 --> 01:41:08,963
..sad about that, and really...
1612
01:41:08,963 --> 01:41:11,690
that's what I'm thinking
about most of the time.
1613
01:41:11,690 --> 01:41:15,530
And I'm sad, and I miss her.
Except that when I actually get
1614
01:41:15,530 --> 01:41:18,916
onto the stage, there's something
that lifts that heartbreak.
1615
01:41:18,916 --> 01:41:22,337
I mean I'm still thinking about
her then, but it's all right,
1616
01:41:22,337 --> 01:41:27,484
and I'm playing, and you're
getting a reaction from people.
1617
01:41:27,484 --> 01:41:32,880
And for that hour, or hour and
a half, or whatever it is, I...
1618
01:41:32,880 --> 01:41:38,083
I get some relief, you know?
And I'm doomed to carry on doing it!
1619
01:41:48,888 --> 01:41:51,750
The Feelgoods kind of
don't get the credit
1620
01:41:51,750 --> 01:41:55,636
that I think that they deserve,
really, for just coming out
1621
01:41:55,636 --> 01:41:59,851
and being so different at a time
when it was all so dull.
1622
01:41:59,851 --> 01:42:02,714
Throughout history of music
there are many bands that
1623
01:42:02,714 --> 01:42:07,168
should have made it and for
X number of reasons why they didn't.
1624
01:42:07,168 --> 01:42:10,031
Maybe their record
company guy wasn't paid
1625
01:42:10,031 --> 01:42:13,495
the right payola, given the right
drugs to get behind the band.
1626
01:42:13,495 --> 01:42:16,120
We slipped through a
gasoline crack in history!
1627
01:42:17,291 --> 01:42:20,290
It's good standing here,
1628
01:42:20,290 --> 01:42:22,630
and seeing that.
1629
01:42:22,630 --> 01:42:26,664
Yeah, I think it's a very
fitting backdrop to the band, yeah.
1630
01:42:29,700 --> 01:42:32,927
It's stirring up complex emotions.
1631
01:42:34,843 --> 01:42:38,036
Who would have thought we'd
end up on the oil tanks?
1632
01:42:46,077 --> 01:42:51,099
When we were about 15, Lee and I
used to just walk through this area
1633
01:42:51,099 --> 01:42:55,644
to the other end of Canvey, with our
dream of what a band would be like.
1634
01:42:55,644 --> 01:43:00,336
And when it actually happened to us,
it went beyond
1635
01:43:00,336 --> 01:43:04,131
our original dreams of what
we could achieve.
1636
01:43:04,131 --> 01:43:06,801
We had a fantastic time.
1637
01:43:06,801 --> 01:43:09,346
We were in love with each other.
1638
01:43:09,346 --> 01:43:14,312
When I look back on Dr Feelgood, I'm
proud of what we did, it was, er...
1639
01:43:14,312 --> 01:43:17,027
the four of us, or the five
of us, with Chris.
1640
01:43:17,027 --> 01:43:21,992
You know, we come from Canvey
Island, and we did that, and we...
1641
01:43:21,992 --> 01:43:24,105
we played a part in the story.
1642
01:43:25,597 --> 01:43:27,755
And, yes, I'm proud of that.
1643
01:43:29,582 --> 01:43:33,285
I don't know if I wasted my life.
1644
01:43:33,285 --> 01:43:35,626
But probably not.
1645
01:44:08,156 --> 01:44:09,985
All the very best to all of you.
1646
01:44:09,985 --> 01:44:13,372
This is from Lee, Dr Feelgood.
Thanks very much, bye bye.
1647
01:44:28,240 --> 01:44:31,762
I live on my own now. I've
recently got this wonderful
1648
01:44:31,762 --> 01:44:34,011
computer programme
called Starry Night,
1649
01:44:34,011 --> 01:44:36,079
which is an astronomy programme.
1650
01:44:36,079 --> 01:44:38,613
So I've got this big telly,
and it faces that way,
1651
01:44:38,613 --> 01:44:42,329
so I'm lying back down here, and,
and I'm looking down, looking at it.
1652
01:44:42,329 --> 01:44:46,271
Then I think,
‘Well, I'm in my spaceship.‘
1653
01:44:46,271 --> 01:44:50,202
Cos if I had a spaceship,
it would probably look a little bit like this,
1654
01:44:50,202 --> 01:44:53,919
books flying around everywhere, all
clothes on the floor and all that.
1655
01:45:00,178 --> 01:45:03,132
You can fly round the moon,
and you can fly around Saturn.
1656
01:45:03,132 --> 01:45:04,733
You can go right out the galaxy.
1657
01:45:09,872 --> 01:45:16,337
We're going at
3,238 million light-years a second.
1658
01:45:16,337 --> 01:45:19,530
That's pretty good, pretty fast.
1659
01:45:19,530 --> 01:45:20,983
Defeating time.
1660
01:45:23,883 --> 01:45:29,314
An unimaginable distance
from everything, everything.
1661
01:45:29,314 --> 01:45:32,132
Oh, what a feeling!
You are light-years away.
1662
01:45:32,132 --> 01:45:33,814
Nobody will ever get that far away.
1663
01:45:38,445 --> 01:45:42,808
While we've been talking, we've
actually left the universe behind.
1664
01:45:42,808 --> 01:45:46,238
When you get right out here,
where it's black, right,
1665
01:45:46,238 --> 01:45:49,000
there's nothing here,
it don't say anything any more,
1666
01:45:49,000 --> 01:45:51,670
it just says, ‘Outside time.‘
1667
01:45:51,670 --> 01:45:54,727
But it's fairly boring
outside of time, as you see,
1668
01:45:54,727 --> 01:45:57,034
you've just got this white dot.
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