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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,040 --> 00:00:03,375 NICOLA WALKER: They are the murders that shook the nation. 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:05,575 REPORTER: The savagery of this murder 3 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:08,335 has shocked even the most hardened detectives. 4 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:11,895 REPORTER: He was attacked by this bus stop, by a racist mob. 5 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:15,335 REPORTER: This flat was the scene of a horrific killing. 6 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:21,895 For decades, the truth lay hidden, and the killers evaded justice. 7 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:24,975 Until one woman took up the hunt. 8 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:29,415 Angela has solved some of the biggest cases in British history. 9 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:34,175 Dr Angela Gallop is a world-leading forensic scientist. 10 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:35,415 I've clone a lot of work 11 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:38,055 with forensic scientists, but she's the best. 12 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:40,815 She led the team and set the standard. 13 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:42,415 She put the bar where it was. 14 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:46,735 She's helped solve hundreds of high-profile cold-cases, 15 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:50,375 finding clues where others have failed. 16 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:52,615 Without the forensic input, 17 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:55,255 the murder would never have been solved. 18 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:59,575 Now, Dr Gallop is opening her extraordinary casebook 19 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:02,055 to reveal the forensic secrets 20 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:05,375 behind some of the country's most infamous crimes, 21 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:08,655 and how they caught the killers 22 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:11,055 who thought they'd got away with murder. 23 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:12,735 It's a puzzle that you have to solve. 24 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:16,335 Every contact leaves a trace. 25 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:20,295 It's just whether or not we are clever enough to find it. 26 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:26,615 Tonight, a murder where the traces of the killer went undiscovered 27 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:28,175 for over a decade. 28 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:31,455 She was a young girl who was brutally murdered. 29 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:35,135 How did Angela and her team use ground-breaking forensics 30 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:39,535 to finally solve one of Britain's most controversial cases? 31 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:41,455 You talk about A Nightmare On Elm Street, 32 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:43,775 well, this was a nightmare on James Street. 33 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:16,575 The murder of Lynette White was a brutal murder. 34 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:20,455 There was over 50 stab wounds, 35 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:25,655 and she was left lying in what was pretty much a desolate flat, 36 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:28,295 in the clocks area. 37 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:31,455 The crime scene was on top of a betting shop. 38 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:33,015 Ancl it was a small flat. 39 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:37,095 It had a dirty mattress on the floor. 40 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:40,575 It had a cardboard box with used condoms. 41 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:42,335 Not much else in the room. 42 00:02:43,920 --> 00:02:47,295 There was this arterial spray of blood on the wall. 43 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:51,015 A sad scene, a sad end. 44 00:02:56,200 --> 00:03:00,575 She was quite a bubbly little girl, very pretty. 45 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:03,415 Generally nice, nice kid, nice person. 46 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:10,095 She'd had problems from early childhood, 47 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:13,335 and there was never guidance in her life. 48 00:03:14,640 --> 00:03:17,815 Lynette White was only 20 years old. 49 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:20,015 She'd had a difficult upbringing 50 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:23,615 and was working as a prostitute in the docks area of Cardiff. 51 00:03:29,920 --> 00:03:33,815 It's easy to label people without actually knowing them. 52 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:37,895 You don't know what has coerced them into doing things. 53 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:40,375 You don't know anything about their life. 54 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:43,535 She was a young girl who was brutally murdered. 55 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:52,015 The investigation into Lynette White's murder 56 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:56,735 was to be tainted by accusations of racism and corruption. 57 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:59,295 Witnesses were bullied by police, 58 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:03,855 and a false confession led to one of the worst miscarriages of justice 59 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:06,055 in British legal history. 60 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:08,255 A suspect with bloodstained clothes 61 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:10,855 who was seen near the flat was white, 62 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:14,455 but all the men the police arrested were Black. 63 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:18,295 They would become known by campaigners as the Cardiff Five. 64 00:04:22,840 --> 00:04:25,615 You know, when they're telling you something like this and, you know, 65 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:28,495 a girl had been stabbed 50 to 70 times... 66 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:32,255 You know, "Don't put this on me." 67 00:04:32,280 --> 00:04:34,455 But they did. That's what they wanted to do. 68 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:36,295 There was nothing we could do. 69 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:41,335 There wasn't a shred of evidence connecting forensically 70 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:44,415 these people to the murder. 71 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:46,615 Something had gone wrong. 72 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:51,015 With their convictions overturned, the failure to catch the real killer 73 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:53,855 was a stain on South Wales Police 74 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:56,455 and left a shadow hanging over the community. 75 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:02,375 In 1999, 11 years after Lynette's murder, 76 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:05,295 a fresh team of detectives from the force 77 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:08,815 launched a last-ditch attempt to find the real killer. 78 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:13,175 That's where we turned to what we saw has been the best in the field. 79 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:15,775 "Angela Gallop, how can you help us?" 80 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:19,535 And the work that Angela Gallop and her team would do 81 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:21,735 to help solve Lynette's murder 82 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:24,615 was to change the way forensic science is used 83 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:27,215 to crack seemingly unsolvable crimes. 84 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:34,375 You learn something new in every case, but, my goodness, 85 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:36,695 we learnt a lot from this particular one. 86 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:48,575 I'll never forget the first time 87 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:52,015 that I walked into a forensic science lab. 88 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:55,495 I noticed that there was this orangey-red staining 89 00:05:55,520 --> 00:06:00,135 inside a fume cupboard and then on the side wall and bench next to it. 90 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:04,975 Ancl I remember thinking to myself, "My goodness, is that blood?" 91 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:07,215 You know, "What is it what they do in here?" 92 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:10,575 You know, "Do they have body parts in here? What on earth is it?" 93 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:14,495 Ancl then I noticed that there was a washing line across one corner 94 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:15,575 at the back of the lab, 95 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:18,935 on which obviously bloodstained clothing was hanging, 96 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:21,175 and this sort of kind of made the whole thing worse. 97 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:24,055 Ancl I, in that laboratory, I was to be the first woman 98 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:27,775 who actually did the full range of forensic activities, 99 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:29,975 including going to court. 100 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:33,255 I don't think my boss was very keen on it at the time. 101 00:06:33,280 --> 00:06:35,655 And I remember the very first clay I was there, 102 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:38,895 he wasted no time in telling me 103 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:42,895 that he didn't really believe in women doing this kind of work. 104 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:46,215 But as ever, I think I just thought to myself, 105 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:48,895 "Well, I'll show you. I'll show you what I can do." 106 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:59,775 By 1999, Angela had helped solve hundreds of high-profile crimes, 107 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:03,095 but the 1988 murder of Lynette White 108 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:06,015 was to be her first major cold case. 109 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:09,455 Angela knew that, at its heart, 110 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:13,295 there was not only an intensely complicated forensic puzzle, 111 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:16,975 but also the shadow of a terrible miscarriage of justice. 112 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:20,775 I was very angry with the police investigation 113 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:24,175 because, initially, when Lynette's body was found, 114 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:25,895 there was a photo fit. 115 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:29,575 And there was lots of news articles about... 116 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:33,175 A man was found outside 7 James Street, 117 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:38,615 and he was in a dishevelled state with blood on his hands. 118 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:44,695 Here we are, looking for this white man... 119 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:51,495 ...and then suddenly, I'm in a police station with five Black men. 120 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:53,855 It was just amazing and unbelievable 121 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:57,375 how one white man can suddenly turn into five Black men. 122 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:04,975 In 1990, john Actie and his cousin, Ronnie Actie, 123 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:07,855 were acquitted of taking part in the killing. 124 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:11,215 But they had spent almost two years in custody 125 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:13,815 on remand, awaiting trial. 126 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:16,175 I am bitter. I am broke. 127 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:19,375 The Actie cousins were free. 128 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:21,935 Justice again, justice again. 129 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:23,375 But the others, 130 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:27,575 Yusef Abdul la hi, Stephen Miller, and Tony Paris, 131 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:29,215 were found guilty. 132 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:33,015 The Cardiff Five, as their supporters had called them, 133 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:35,655 now became the Cardiff Three. 134 00:08:35,680 --> 00:08:37,255 REPORTER: How do the family feel now? 135 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:39,495 How do you think they feel? What do you mean how they feel? 136 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:40,495 Is that justice? 137 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:45,175 But the convictions stood for just two years. 138 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:49,255 In 1992, the Court of Appeal ruled 139 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:52,695 that a gross miscarriage of justice had taken place. 140 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:55,175 Lacking evidence, 141 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:59,975 false confessions had been forced by police in bullying interviews. 142 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:03,255 The Cardiff Three were released. 143 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:06,335 There's so much anger and upset, 144 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:11,415 and, yes, it's a sheer miscarriage of justice, sheer miscarriage. 145 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:15,615 If they had forensic, believe you me, we would've had it. 146 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:19,775 There wasn't any, and that's it. 147 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:35,455 This was the case which faced Angela Gallop. 148 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:41,055 Men wrongly accused, a woman's family without justice, 149 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:44,015 and from the original investigation, 150 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:47,575 not a trace of forensics to identify a suspect. 151 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:51,335 A human tragedy centred on the murder in a flat 152 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:53,895 in Cardiff's James Street. 153 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:06,855 I think when I'm getting to grips with a particular case, 154 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:10,135 particularly a complex one with lots of moving parts in it, 155 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:14,535 I've sort of a rather pictorial mind, and I love diagrams of things, 156 00:10:14,560 --> 00:10:18,775 and I'm often just sketching out connections between things. 157 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:21,975 I find it much easier to do that and then, at a glance, 158 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:25,455 I can bring myself back to the totality of the case. 159 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:29,455 Cos it's really important when you're doing these cases, 160 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:33,015 at one level, you're looking down at the case from above. 161 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:36,695 So, you're looking at all the different component parts of it 162 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:39,375 and all the different, you know, potential links. 163 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:40,655 And then the next moment, 164 00:10:40,680 --> 00:10:43,295 you're right down in the weeds, right down actually, saying, 165 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:46,255 "We'll look for that particular thing, for this particular thing." 166 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:47,775 So, you're right down there 167 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:49,975 and all the time, you're swapping between the two, 168 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:53,455 you're swapping between your diagram, this overarching view... 169 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:57,695 ...and then the minutiae of the work that you're doing 170 00:10:57,720 --> 00:10:59,415 at that particular moment. 171 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:07,375 I find diagrams a really good way of kind of controlling that process. 172 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:13,575 In this particular case, the first thing we were asked to do 173 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:17,775 was to review the original investigation of the case. 174 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:19,655 Ancl so that's what we did. 175 00:11:19,680 --> 00:11:24,655 We looked at everything that had been clone by the original scientists 176 00:11:24,680 --> 00:11:27,375 and just gave our opinion about that. 177 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:31,935 Ancl I think, looking back at that, the main thing that struck me 178 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:34,415 was that they had a sketchy understanding 179 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:36,375 of the blood patterns at the flat, 180 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:41,055 and it had told them enough to know where the attack had started 181 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:44,735 and probably where Lynette's throat had been cut. 182 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:49,055 Ancl then also the fact that her body had been moved, 183 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:52,975 where probably the bulk of the attack then took place. 184 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:54,855 But it didn't really tell you anything 185 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:59,135 about how the attacker might have got out afterwards. 186 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:03,255 If you know what happened between a victim and suspect, 187 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:05,095 and the kind of contact 188 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:07,295 that they are likely to have had with each other, 189 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:09,935 it'll tell you where to look for what sorts of traces 190 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:12,415 of that contact between them. 191 00:12:15,560 --> 00:12:18,615 There was a lot of blood at the murder scene. 192 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:20,695 Most belonged to Lynette. 193 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:24,575 There was, though, some which belonged to another person. 194 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:27,735 It appeared to match a female friend of Lynette's 195 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:31,455 who had falsely testified to being a witness to the murder. 196 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:33,415 But there was one test, 197 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:36,455 which was carried out about a year after the murder, 198 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:40,495 that suggested that the blood had to belong to someone else. 199 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:43,375 One of the many DNA type tests 200 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:47,375 that were clone subsequent to that initial investigation 201 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:51,935 indicated that this blood, this foreign blood, 202 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:54,735 looked as though it had come from a man, not a woman. 203 00:12:56,560 --> 00:12:59,775 It gave a result indicating that it contained the Y chromosome, 204 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:02,655 which you only find in men or males. 205 00:13:02,680 --> 00:13:06,215 That was certainly something that we noticed at an early stage. 206 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:12,815 If this foreign blood belonged to a man, who was he? 207 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:17,015 And with more than a decade now passed since the murder, 208 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:21,615 how would the forensic team find new evidence to track him down? 209 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:23,895 We knew it wasn't those ones who were arrested. 210 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:27,655 We were looking for somebody absolutely clean. 211 00:13:27,680 --> 00:13:30,535 Ancl my main goal initially 212 00:13:30,560 --> 00:13:34,735 was to ensure that we developed a DNA profile. 213 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:37,055 So, the key thing about this case 214 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:40,175 was to find some more of this foreign blood. 215 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:43,735 Blood that hadn't come from Lynette, and might conceivably be connected, 216 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:47,175 and might conceivably have come from the offender 217 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:52,415 because with so many stab wounds, such a violent and prolonged attack, 218 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:57,695 it is not that unusual for the offender to injure themselves. 219 00:13:57,720 --> 00:13:59,815 So, that was the natural starting point. 220 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:11,175 NICOLA WALKER: Forensic scientist Dr Angela Gallop 221 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:14,095 is an expert in cracking cold-cases. 222 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:17,775 In 1999, she was asked to find new evidence 223 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:22,095 in the murder of Lynette White in Cardiff, more than a decade before. 224 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:26,375 The case files noted that a great deal of Lynette's blood 225 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:29,495 had been found on the walls of the flat in which she died. 226 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:32,775 There had also been a small amount of blood 227 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:35,215 from an unidentified stranger. 228 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:39,815 But the forensic searches of the crime scene back in 1988 229 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:42,855 had left Angela's team with a major problem. 230 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:46,015 The police had clone an excellent job 231 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:49,175 in looking for fingerprints throughout the flat 232 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:52,335 and had sprayed a lot of the wallpaper with this chemical, 233 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:55,495 called ninhydrin, which brings up fingerprints 234 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:58,855 and it turns them from something you can't really see 235 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:01,095 to sort of a bright, purplish colour, 236 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:02,775 so it makes them really visible. 237 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:04,975 So, they'd sprayed all of the wallpaper 238 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:08,535 where we had these blood patterns and a lot of the blood. 239 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:12,975 Ancl unfortunately, ninhydrin completely destroys DNA... 240 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:14,135 SHE LAUGHS 241 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:16,815 ...so you can't then analyse it properly. 242 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:22,815 The focus for the original investigation would've been 243 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:24,575 blood grouping and fingerprints. 244 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:27,295 DNA wasn't in the game. 245 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:31,815 To uncover traces of the killer, 246 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:34,055 the forensic team would have to find blood 247 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:37,215 which had not been affected by the search for fingerprints. 248 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:45,655 Although more than a decade had passed since the murder, 249 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:47,655 the hunt had to begin at the flat. 250 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:53,575 The first thing you need to do is to understand as much as you can 251 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:56,615 about what happened at the crime scene... 252 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:01,775 ...and it's very, very useful often to go back to the crime scene 253 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:04,095 to get that geography and topography of it, 254 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:06,695 so you can imagine what it was like... 255 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:09,935 ...because sometimes there are clues in there. 256 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:12,135 There might be little hints of something 257 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:14,415 which they didn't follow up at the time 258 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:16,615 because maybe they didn't just notice them, 259 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:18,095 or maybe they didn't have the techniques 260 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:19,975 to be able to do it at that time. 261 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:26,495 We went there in the evening, in the dark... 262 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:31,455 ...so that it would sort of, er, replicate the murder scene. 263 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:35,575 I had all the crime scene photographs as well, 264 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:38,175 so I could kind of picture the crime scene. 265 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:40,495 Ancl even though the place had been painted twice 266 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:41,895 in the intervening years, 267 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:44,455 I could picture what the bloodstain had been like 268 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:46,175 at the time of the crime. 269 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:52,855 She was looking at it, erm, totally from the science side of it. 270 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:55,415 There was lots of measurements taken. 271 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:02,295 When we left that flat, she had a good idea of that scene, 272 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:05,255 and that was the start of where we went 273 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:10,015 and discussed on where we thought we could find some evidence. 274 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:17,655 Angela took her measurements and notes 275 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:21,095 and used the bloodstained wallpaper from the flat 276 00:17:21,120 --> 00:17:23,295 to reconstruct the crime scene. 277 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:25,735 So, that's three... This is... This is right by the bed. 278 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:26,935 OK. This one. 279 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:31,375 She worked with her colleague, April Robson, 280 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:34,935 to analyse what the patterns told them about the attack, 281 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:38,495 and where they might be able to search for fresh evidence. 282 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:44,695 20 years on, Angela and April are re-enacting their experiment. 283 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:51,575 When we came along, trying to understand the scene, we thought, 284 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:54,415 "One of the best ways of doing that is through all the blood patterns 285 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:56,935 "that are captured on these wallpaper strips. 286 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:01,615 "So, what if we recreate the crime scene with these wallpaper strips?" 287 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:05,135 And so April and I got a whole set of office dividers 288 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:06,935 together in a large room, 289 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:10,135 and we erected them in roughly the same shape and size 290 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:12,015 as the original flat had been in. 291 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:17,135 Ancl then we stuck up the bits of wallpaper on the dividers. 292 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:20,895 And in this way, we could recreate the crime scene. 293 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:25,575 Angela is extremely different to any reporting forensic scientist 294 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:27,455 that I've ever come across before. 295 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:30,255 Yes, somewhere like that cos we've got to get the other two in as well. 296 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:37,055 She definitely had ideas for developing new ways of thinking. 297 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:39,535 Let's just have a look. Ah, this looks like something. 298 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:45,015 I'd never encountered anything like this before. 299 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:51,615 When she first talked to us about her interpretation of the scene... 300 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:56,295 ...it was like something from a film. 301 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:57,455 It was compelling. 302 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:01,935 By using the scene photographs, 303 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:05,415 and the position of Lynette's body within the scene, 304 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:07,375 we tried to sort of identify 305 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:10,575 how somebody would've maybe moved about within the scene 306 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:14,255 to decide which areas to target for DNA. 307 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:27,615 You've got this patch of blood staining, 308 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:30,615 and then there was that little alcove, wasn't there, 309 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:31,815 beyond the chimney breast? 310 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:34,175 I think this was the chimney breast here, wasn't it? Yeah. 311 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,495 Ancl then there was a bed here, the single bed. Yeah. 312 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:38,735 Ancl that was the only thing that there was in the room. 313 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:41,215 I think this is where the attack started 314 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:44,975 and where some of the worst injuries that Lynette received 315 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:46,175 were inflicted. 316 00:19:48,360 --> 00:19:50,015 When your artery is breached, 317 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:54,335 you often get these very heavy drops of blood, which are then... 318 00:19:54,360 --> 00:19:57,455 The sort of... The splashes, the stains, are too heavy. 319 00:19:57,480 --> 00:19:59,335 They've got too much blood in them 320 00:19:59,360 --> 00:20:02,855 to remain as distinct sort of shapes, oval shapes, 321 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:05,655 so you get these runs of blood that come off them. 322 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:08,615 Ancl that's exactly what happens with arterial spurting. 323 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:12,055 We know it was quite a frenzied attack 324 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:13,655 because of Lynette's injuries... Mm. 325 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:15,375 ...and we knew that somebody was bleeding. 326 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:19,815 So this, all this, could be part of the attacker's blood. Mm. 327 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:23,135 It's a reflection of the fact it was a very dynamic attack, 328 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:26,975 and it looks as though she certainly tried to fight him off. 329 00:20:29,360 --> 00:20:32,775 Doing this sort of analysis that Angela Gallop was excellent on, 330 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:38,295 on describing where the deposits of evidence were 331 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:43,575 and where the impact of acts would have come to that. 332 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:45,895 That's crime scene interpretation. 333 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:49,535 She, by looking at this placement of the blood, 334 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:52,335 was even to tell the story of what would've happened 335 00:20:52,360 --> 00:20:53,495 with the assailant. 336 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:55,095 That was extremely powerful. 337 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:58,255 It's relatively easy, 338 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:01,175 after the blood from the victim has started to flow 339 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:04,775 and has coated the knife, the handle, and the blade, 340 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:08,135 for the offender's hand to slip down off the handle 341 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:10,095 onto the cutting edge of the blade, 342 00:21:10,120 --> 00:21:13,255 and then their blood can then get scattered around at the scene. 343 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:17,495 The spots here all look like cast-off blood, 344 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:20,135 so they've been cast off something which is bleeding 345 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:22,055 or something with a lot of wet blood on it. 346 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:23,615 So that would either be Lynette, 347 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:27,135 but we suspected in this case that, actually, if we were lucky, 348 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:28,855 we might be able to find some more 349 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:31,055 of this potentially offender-type blood. 350 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:35,135 And so anything which could have intercepted a droplet of blood 351 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:39,015 from him would be great, that hadn't been treated for fingerprints. 352 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:40,295 It was really critical. 353 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:44,735 We would look at the crime scene photographs, 354 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:46,295 we had the crime scene there. 355 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:51,295 Ancl we knew the position of the body where it was found. 356 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:53,135 So, it was that context. 357 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:55,975 "Well, what's near it?" What was near it? 358 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:57,415 From the scene photographs, 359 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:02,935 we knew that the right shoe was sort of down in this sort of location. 360 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:06,815 And, interestingly, that was where the cellophane was recovered. 361 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:10,695 It was a top of a cigarette packet, which potentially is interesting 362 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:13,535 because there'd never been any talk of anybody smoking in the flat. 363 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,895 There was one particular stain on that cellophane 364 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,055 amongst all the contact smeared staining, 365 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:23,055 one particular round stain 366 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:25,655 that could conceivably be from the offender 367 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:26,975 because it was cast off blood. 368 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,735 It had been blood created into a droplet 369 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:33,015 that then flew through the air and landed on the cellophane, 370 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:36,055 as it can land on the wall and produce a directional splash 371 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:39,175 or if it lands head-on, it'll produce a round spot. 372 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:42,295 So, terribly important understanding blood patterns 373 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,895 to give you a clue of what's happened here, 374 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:48,855 but give you a clue, too, where to look for certain blood stains, 375 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:50,935 or blood stains from certain people. 376 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:54,775 The cellophane wrapper showed up in the crime scene photographs, 377 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:58,095 but had previously been deemed so insignificant 378 00:22:58,120 --> 00:22:59,535 that it had been ignored. 379 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:02,055 Until now. 380 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,135 "Have we got that? Have we photographed that?" 381 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:06,375 We had it. 382 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,735 We'd photographed it. We'd never examined it. 383 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,015 Ancl that's where Cellophane Man started. 384 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:16,495 Angela decided to try and look 385 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,735 to see if there was anything on that cellophane 386 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,415 that could give us a DNA profile. 387 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:30,695 I remember her showing me the photos 388 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,335 of the blood staining on the cellophane 389 00:23:33,360 --> 00:23:35,855 and her pointing out a particular stain 390 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:39,655 that she would really like to be DNA-tested. 391 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:45,855 We DNA-profiled that, and we got a nearly full male profile from it. 392 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:51,615 Because the foreign blood, our foreign blood, 393 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:53,775 was first identified on the cellophane, 394 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,015 we called him Cellophane Man. 395 00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,535 It was a massive breakthrough. 396 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:01,455 But of course, life being what it is, 397 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,375 once you get something, you want a bit more, don't you? 398 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,735 I thought, "Right, I want it now. I want to know who this is. 399 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,255 "Cellophane Man. We are looking for Cellophane Man. 400 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:11,735 "That's the guy!" 401 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,615 NICOLA WALKER: The murder of Lynette White had remained unsolved 402 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:26,335 for more than a decade 403 00:24:26,360 --> 00:24:30,215 when cold case forensic expert Dr Angela Gallop 404 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,735 was brought in to support a new police investigation. 405 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,095 After reconstructing the crime scene, 406 00:24:37,120 --> 00:24:39,815 the team got its first breakthrough. 407 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:44,055 Cellophane from a cigarette wrapper found near Lynette's body 408 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:48,335 had been examined, and revealed the DNA of the prime suspect. 409 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,855 The investigators dubbed him Cellophane Man. 410 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,975 Detectives now had to test the Cellophane Man profile 411 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:03,655 against the DNA of the five men originally charged with the crime. 412 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,975 This was a difficulty that we... that we had. 413 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:11,975 They've been affected by this case. 414 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,335 We had to make sure that they didn't think 415 00:25:16,360 --> 00:25:19,135 that we were looking at them again. 416 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,655 South Wales Police are evil. SHOUTING: No justice! 417 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:23,775 No justice! Evil beyond belief. 418 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,895 We felt that some of the police still felt that 419 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:32,415 the Cardiff Five could have been responsible for the murder. 420 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,295 Ancl so one of the first things we did 421 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,615 when we got Cellophane Man's profile 422 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,695 was to compare that against their DNA profiles. 423 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,175 But it matched absolutely none of them. 424 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:45,575 It was nothing to do with them. 425 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,215 INDISTINCT SHOUTING 426 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:53,935 When I heard about the reinvestigation, 427 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,135 I was, you know, really happy because, erm... 428 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,695 obviously, I wanted them to catch the killer, erm... 429 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,495 for the reason is the guy killed someone. 430 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:02,815 He shouldn't be on the streets. 431 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,415 Ancl the second reason is to make us righteous again, 432 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:06,495 you know what I mean? 433 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:08,455 Because all the fingers was pointing at us. 434 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:09,655 You know, "They was lucky." 435 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,735 It was, you know, "There's no smoke without fire." 436 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:13,975 That kind of stuff, you know? 437 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:18,735 To be able to demonstrate that the DNA could not be from them, 438 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,215 I hope was some sort of relief to them. 439 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:25,375 But it left us in a slight quandary, if it's not them, well, who is it? 440 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:32,655 The Cellophane Man DNA provided a partial profile of a man. 441 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:38,015 While it told the team that the Cardiff Five were innocent, 442 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,655 it did not show them who had killed Lynette. 443 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,575 Angela needed to find more of the killer's blood 444 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:46,695 to link him directly to the murder. 445 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,775 I had the scenes of crime photographs in front of me, 446 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:55,095 and we were all thinking about what we could do. 447 00:26:55,120 --> 00:26:57,495 We needed to find a pattern of blood staining 448 00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,935 on and around the body and on the exit route. 449 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,695 We knew that there was some foreign blood at the crime scene, 450 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:08,015 so it wasn't all Lynette's. 451 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:13,135 So we had to look for new samples of blood staining. 452 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,335 And so one of the things that we decided to do 453 00:27:15,360 --> 00:27:17,215 was to have a look at the skirting board. 454 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:18,895 Because we could see in the crime scenes, 455 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,735 in these crime scenes, we could see here 456 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:25,975 that there was some blood on the skirting board itself. 457 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,335 Some of that hadn't been affected by the chemical testing, 458 00:27:29,360 --> 00:27:32,495 and so some of that might actually, if it's still there, 459 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:36,015 might actually give us a route in to the offender. 460 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,375 Angela had the idea that we would bring the skirting board 461 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,415 into the laboratory and see if that blood was still there. 462 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,495 The whole flat had been renovated. 463 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,735 It had been clone up immaculately. 464 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,535 So, I had to ask the landlord, 465 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,015 "Could we have this piece of skirting board?" 466 00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:58,655 Ancl I remember when he brought it into the lab, 467 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,815 and we started looking under the microscope at the layers of paint. 468 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:03,775 I think it was maybe even three layers, 469 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,655 so it could have been painted at least three times. 470 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,455 April Robson did it so carefully. 471 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,375 Because if we went too shallow, 472 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,015 we would never have exposed any of the blood 473 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:24,895 that we hoped would still be there. 474 00:28:26,360 --> 00:28:29,855 But also, not to go too deep when we would have disrupted it all, 475 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,095 and we wouldn't have, you know, been able to collect 476 00:28:32,120 --> 00:28:33,615 a proper sample from it. 477 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:39,935 There was always the chance that the blood had been wiped away 478 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,535 before it had been repainted. 479 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,975 But it's... it's never say never. You should always try these things. 480 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,375 It took a long time to do that. 481 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,455 You know, clays, if not a couple of weeks. 482 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,295 Ancl all under the microscope. 483 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:59,255 All incredibly sort of careful work with the scalpel. 484 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,375 Luckily for us, that blood hadn't been washed away, 485 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,055 it had just been painted over. 486 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:08,535 We were able to swab a bit from there. 487 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:15,015 And then we noticed that there must have been a point 488 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,255 where the skirting board hadn't met the wall properly, 489 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,895 and there was a little gap between the wall and the skirting board. 490 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:21,495 Ancl as it so happens, 491 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:26,615 some blood had dripped down between the gap in the board and the wall. 492 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,895 Ancl so that gave us a little more blood to try. 493 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,215 And so we DNA-profiled both of those. 494 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,815 Ancl we were very pleased to find that they matched 495 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,895 the foreign male blood on the cellophane. 496 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,775 So now we were starting to get somewhere. 497 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,775 It was absolutely amazing. It was fantastic. 498 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:52,135 Each time they found something extra, 499 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,255 it improved our chances of getting that full profile. 500 00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:00,375 But Angela and April now wanted to know what could be revealed 501 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,695 from the blood patterns left by the killer's escape. 502 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,775 What was very important is that there was no electricity, 503 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,575 so there was no lighting other than street lighting. 504 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:15,135 So, there was two street lights directly outside the flat. 505 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:16,855 There was no lighting inside, 506 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:20,935 and, certainly, on the landing, the bulb had gone. 507 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:26,175 So whoever was in that room was going to fumble their way around 508 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,615 because it was quite a small space. 509 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:34,095 When the attacker turned his back on Lynette 510 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:37,455 and started walking out of the room, he must have been walking, 511 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,935 effectively, into what was pitch black. 512 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,735 Angela and April used the bloodstains on the walls 513 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,375 to trace the killer's escape down the stairs. 514 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,415 A crime scene photo 515 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,735 showed a distinctive smear of blood on the front door. 516 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:57,695 This, too, had been covered over 517 00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:59,295 when the building had been repainted. 518 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,015 Using the photographs, we could actually determine 519 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,575 where we had to look very specifically. Yeah. 520 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,895 Yeah. And I think it was this darker stain here 521 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,415 that actually gave us the starting point. Yeah. 522 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,895 So, that was a really important finding, that. 523 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:20,055 Crucially, the mark which the killer had left on the front door 524 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,175 contained both his DNA and Lynette's, 525 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:27,895 and therefore directly linked Cellophane Man to the murder. 526 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,295 Now what was important was to show 527 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,135 that, actually, there was some of this on Lynette's body itself, 528 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,535 so we were very interested in Lynette's clothing. 529 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,335 But, of course, that was absolutely saturated in her own blood, 530 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,855 so we had to choose some specific areas to test. 531 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,695 We knew by looking at some of the very discreet stains 532 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,095 within the photographs 533 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:56,695 that there was potentially some foreign blood on Lynette's clothing. 534 00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,215 So it was very important for us to determine 535 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,975 where on her clothing it may have been deposited. 536 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,735 Lynette had been manhandled in a particular way, 537 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:09,375 not only dragged across the room to where she was finally found, 538 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,935 but also manhandled to the extent that her clothing, 539 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,095 her upper clothing, was not in the position you would expect. 540 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:20,135 One of her arms had come out of the sleeve of the jacket, 541 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,575 and the jacket then pulled across the top of her body 542 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:26,055 such that the back of the jacket was over... 543 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:27,855 was covering the front of her body. 544 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:30,775 In order to do that... 545 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,615 He's gonna have to make contact... I've had to pull on that. 546 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:37,295 Yeah. So, the right cuff is absolutely somewhere to look at. 547 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:38,575 Yeah. 548 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:40,255 'So, this is very classic of Angela. 549 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:44,535 'She wanted me to wear a very similar sweatshirt and jacket,' 550 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:48,455 and we carried out experiments to determine how the jacket 551 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,255 sort of got into the position that Lynette was found. 552 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,335 This is the best way to do it, 553 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,895 always to recreate things, reconstruct things. 554 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,975 It's much the best way of understanding what you can do, 555 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,295 what you can't do, what's possible, what's not possible. 556 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:02,615 OK. That's what he looks like. 557 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:04,815 That's how it ended up. Ancl then that sitting there. 558 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:06,055 Yep. Yeah. 559 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:09,535 Working together, we managed to work out how... 560 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,455 her jacket in particular would have got into the position 561 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,735 that it was found when her body was found. 562 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:18,975 Ancl that helped us pinpoint the areas that, er... 563 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,135 that we should be looking at in more detail with DNA profiling. 564 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,375 It told us that, actually, a very good place was to look 565 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,215 on one cuff in particular, 566 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,615 and in a particular area on that cuff. 567 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,535 Ancl then I think there are one or two other areas 568 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:36,735 that we also looked, erm... 569 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,895 and we found the offender DNA profile 570 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,775 on both the sweatshirt and the jacket. 571 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,335 Ancl it was because of this experiment, 572 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:49,415 because of this reconstruction, this manhandling reconstruction. 573 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,295 Absolutely how that arm is. Mm-hm, yeah. 574 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,095 Brilliant. 575 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:55,775 Brilliant! 576 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:04,455 So, now we had Cellophane Man's DNA 577 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,375 on, obviously, the cellophane that we started with, 578 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:12,415 we had it on the skirting board behind where Lynette's body was. 579 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:16,215 We had it on her clothing, on her sweatshirt and her jacket, 580 00:34:16,240 --> 00:34:20,535 and we had it just outside the door to the bedroom where she was killed. 581 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,495 And we had it at the top of the staircase, 582 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,455 down which the offender would have to have gone. 583 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:29,215 Ancl we had it mixed with Lynette's own blood 584 00:34:29,240 --> 00:34:32,055 on the inside of the front door 585 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,015 through which the offender would have had to pass 586 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,215 to get out into the street. 587 00:34:36,240 --> 00:34:39,215 So, in other words, we had enough evidence there. 588 00:34:39,240 --> 00:34:43,455 We had the right sort of pattern to show the Cellophane Man DNA 589 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:48,015 was intimately connected with Lynette White's death. 590 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:53,015 So, now the question arose again, who was Cellophane Man? 591 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:54,415 Ancl how could we find him? 592 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,975 NICOLA WALKER: Forensic scientist Dr Angela Gallop was investigating 593 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,215 the 1988 murder of Lynette White in Cardiff. 594 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,295 Reviewing the murder as a cold case more than a decade later, 595 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,735 Angela and her team had found blood from the killer 596 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:23,135 and extracted his DNA. 597 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:28,335 As the blood was first found on wrapping from a cigarette packet, 598 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,735 the murderer had become known to the team as Cellophane Man. 599 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:34,615 Having the killer's DNA 600 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,575 was the biggest breakthrough in the case for 14 years. 601 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:40,775 But there was a problem. 602 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:46,375 The search of the DNA database proved fruitless. 603 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:47,935 There was nobody on the DNA database 604 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,935 that matched the profile of Cellophane Man. 605 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:55,855 So, the police decided to hold a mass screen, 606 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:59,295 which is basically collecting together, erm... 607 00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:04,775 a subset of the local population, a sort of large number of people, 608 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:08,575 and screening their blood just to see if they could find it that way. 609 00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:10,855 But that didn't work either. 610 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:12,415 South Wales Police had a... 611 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,975 quite a radical, different way of looking at it 612 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:20,055 in terms of introducing something called familial DNA testing. 613 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:24,615 A familial DNA search meant going back to the National Database 614 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,095 and looking for anyone whose DNA suggested 615 00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,775 they may be a blood relative of Cellophane Man. 616 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,295 To narrow down the search, 617 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,935 the team looked for people in South Wales 618 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:39,055 who shared the rarest part of the Cellophane Man DNA... 619 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,575 ...a component called FGA 27. 620 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:49,775 In doing this, the police reported that there were 600 profiles 621 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:53,495 containing this one component. 622 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,775 So, that was, like, the first time, I've got to be honest, I thought... 623 00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:57,855 "We're gonna get him." 624 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:03,215 Because if it had been thousands, if it had been tens of thousands, 625 00:37:03,240 --> 00:37:06,735 we would have got to him eventually, but it wasn't tens of thousands. 626 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:13,335 The team then took the 600 profiles which contained FGA 27 627 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,935 and analysed them for further elements in common 628 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:16,935 with Cellophane Man. 629 00:37:18,240 --> 00:37:21,295 One match stood out head and shoulders above the rest. 630 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,655 This had come from a 14-year-old boy 631 00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:29,935 who hadn't even been born at the time of Lynette's killing. 632 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:33,655 Erm, but... And just happened to have got onto the database. 633 00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,455 I think it was through some fairly minor misdemeanour. 634 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,055 I mean, he must have had his DNA taken, 635 00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,895 but it was nothing major. 636 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,175 It was just amazing that his profile was on the database at all. 637 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:48,455 So, we hit on this young boy, 638 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,775 we work through his family, and it's not quite a match, 639 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:51,855 we're not getting it. 640 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:55,015 The police took a sample from the father. 641 00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:59,335 Erm... He wasn't a match, but he was very close. 642 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:00,655 Ancl I think all the time, 643 00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,855 while we're getting this family and the closeness repeated, 644 00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,055 we're getting slightly more confident 645 00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,055 that this might well be the family that we need. 646 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,935 And then the police discovered that the father had a brother, 647 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:16,935 who had been a recluse for a number of years. 648 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:18,895 I don't think the family had seen much of him. 649 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,215 We go to see him, we get that sample. 650 00:38:24,240 --> 00:38:27,895 Ancl I... I remember these times quite vividly, 651 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:29,335 and I never thought we'd get to this. 652 00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:30,495 I just... I just... 653 00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:32,935 I'm thinking this is, like... It's incredible. 654 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:36,375 It was a fantastic feeling. It was so exciting. 655 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,855 So, we had quite a nervous number of hours' wait 656 00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,175 whilst the DNA profile was obtained. 657 00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,015 And I remember vividly sitting next to the machine, 658 00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,575 as his DNA profile was coming through. 659 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,695 And I had Cellophane Man's profile in my hand. 660 00:38:53,720 --> 00:38:57,935 And then I was watching the coloured bands coming through on the machine. 661 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:00,215 And I could look at those, 662 00:39:00,240 --> 00:39:03,615 and I could work out from the spacing of the bands on the machine 663 00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:07,095 that, yes, this looked as though it was indeed Cellophane Man. 664 00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:11,295 We had got him at last. 665 00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,455 Ancl his name was Jeffrey Charles Gafoor. 666 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:22,215 Jeffrey Gafoor was a security guard living just outside Cardiff. 667 00:39:22,240 --> 00:39:26,895 His DNA matched the killer's, and finally, after 15 years, 668 00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,575 there was a face to match the Photofit. 669 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,375 The police put him under surveillance 670 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,215 to give themselves time to prepare for the interviews. 671 00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,095 Because there'd been so much criticism 672 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:40,455 of the original interviews, 673 00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:44,655 we had to have the absolute perfect interview setup. 674 00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:46,535 So we needed time. 675 00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,615 Well, time wasn't on our side. It was simple as that. 676 00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:53,495 I remember telling my wife, "We've got him." 677 00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:57,295 Ancl Brent Parry rings me up. He says, erm... 678 00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:01,135 "He's gone into a couple of shops, he's buying paracetamol tablets, 679 00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:02,695 "amongst other things. 680 00:40:02,720 --> 00:40:04,935 "Erm... What are we going to do?" 681 00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:06,535 Either he's got a hell of a headache, 682 00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:08,135 or he's gonna do something. 683 00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:09,535 So, I said, "We've got to move." 684 00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:14,335 So, that's my instructions to the surveillance team. 685 00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:15,855 They arrest him. 686 00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,695 And he says, "I've been waiting for this. 687 00:40:18,720 --> 00:40:20,295 "I deserve to be punished." 688 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,495 I think he said, "I deserve to die. I've taken the paracetamol." 689 00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:27,335 I think he said he took 64 paracetamol tablets. 690 00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,615 So, he was rushed to hospital. 691 00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:32,975 He was close to death, 692 00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:34,415 but er... 693 00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,815 we saved him, and we took him back. 694 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,575 Please state your full name and date of birth. 695 00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:48,415 Jeffrey Charles Gafoor. 28th of the fifth, '65. 696 00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:49,855 The reason for this interview... 697 00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:55,895 ...is because you have been arrested for the murder of Lynette White. 698 00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:59,615 'A security guard has been charged with the murder of Lynette White. 699 00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,815 'Jeffrey Gafoor was arrested at his home in Llanharan, 700 00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:04,735 'near Bridgend, over the weekend.' 701 00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,975 NEWSREEL: 'Gafoor was convicted of killing Lynette White 702 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,415 '15 years after her death.' 703 00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:14,695 NEWSREEL: 'DNA evidence brought a confession from Jeffrey Gafoor 704 00:41:14,720 --> 00:41:15,775 'for Lynette's murder.' 705 00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:23,095 The clay they caught him, and it was just, like, "Oh, my God." 706 00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:25,655 Eh? It was, like, unbelievable, you know? 707 00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,015 So, the reinvestigation by South Wales Police, 708 00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,815 oh, it was a good thing. It was really good. 709 00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:34,655 The forensic... absolutely top drawer, top drawer. 710 00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:35,735 'Good evening. 711 00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,815 'Jeffrey Gafoor murdered prostitute Lynette White 712 00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:43,015 'in what a judge described as, "a terrible and vicious fashion." 713 00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:46,015 'Today, 15 years after Lynette died, 714 00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,255 'Gafoor has been jailed for life.' 715 00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:52,575 In July 2003, 716 00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:56,295 Jeffrey Gafoor admitted in court to murdering Lynette White... 717 00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,255 ...although he never explained why he had killed her. 718 00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,015 The painstaking forensic investigation, 719 00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:10,575 which had brought him to justice, had taken four years. 720 00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:14,255 But Angela and her team had finally uncovered the clues 721 00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:18,815 to reveal exactly what happened on that dark Valentine's Day 722 00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:20,815 in Cardiff in 1988. 723 00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,135 If it wasn't for Angela and her team, 724 00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:25,495 he wouldn't be in jail. 725 00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:26,695 Do you know what I'm saying? 726 00:42:26,720 --> 00:42:29,175 Because the DNA, without them sorting it out, 727 00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:30,855 he might still be on the road. 728 00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:32,015 He'd still be out there. 729 00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:46,495 In a forensic career stretching back almost 50 years, 730 00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,175 Dr Angela Gallop has never had the chance to meet up 731 00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,415 with anyone proven innocent by her work. 732 00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,015 She's come to Cardiff to meet john Actie. 733 00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:58,895 Nice to meet you. Pleased to meet you. 734 00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:04,055 The clay they said that they got Gafoor, I was so happy. 735 00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:05,215 I was... I can remember... 736 00:43:05,240 --> 00:43:07,015 I can't imagine what it would have been like. 737 00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,375 Oh, it was... Yeah, you know. Ancl it was... 738 00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:10,775 "I told you so, by the way." Yeah! 739 00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:12,055 THEY LAUGH 740 00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,455 Yeah, well, exactly. I was, like, you know, 741 00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,135 "I told you, I told you", you know? Yeah. 742 00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,335 It just highlights, you know... Yeah. 743 00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,215 ...the rots justice we had, you know? Absolutely. 744 00:43:20,240 --> 00:43:22,015 What happened to us. And, er... Absolutely. 745 00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:25,815 The DNA... We're so grateful, and we're so grateful for, erm... 746 00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:29,295 you know, the South Wales Police for reinvestigating it. 747 00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:30,735 Do you still have... 748 00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:32,895 I don't know whether to call them flashbacks 749 00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:34,175 or what to call them, really, 750 00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,135 but bad memories about the... Oh, yeah! 751 00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:37,735 I imagine you have... Yeah, yeah, yeah. 752 00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:39,495 I have very bad memories. Yeah, yeah, 753 00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:41,935 You sit in a flat, you know, thinking about it, "Why me?" 754 00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:45,135 Just being back in that moment. Yeah, back in that moment. 755 00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,335 You know, all different things, you know, like, 756 00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,175 sometimes, I've got to keep my telly on in the night. 757 00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:53,495 Do you know what I mean? Because if the telly goes off, and I wakes up, 758 00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:54,855 I think I'm in a cell. 759 00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:56,335 Do you know? It's that kind of thing. 760 00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:57,815 You release them little... Yeah. 761 00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,415 So, it's a sort of life sentence in a way, isn't it? 762 00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,575 Oh, definitely. Oh, definitely. But just... Yeah. 763 00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:04,375 It's been a long, long, long... 764 00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,975 I really feel... 765 00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,855 vindicated now, and everything is, er... 766 00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:11,255 Mm. ..Is a lot better. 767 00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:22,175 It's doubly satisfying when you can find and provide the evidence 768 00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:26,135 which leaves you in no doubt of the guilt of someone, 769 00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:29,895 and, at the same time, exonerates other people 770 00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:33,295 who have previously been convicted of the crime. 771 00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:37,095 The Lynette White case was the first time that's ever happened, 772 00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,615 and so it made legal history to that extent. 773 00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:41,455 It made forensic science history 774 00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,735 because it's the first time that someone was convicted 775 00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:48,975 on the basis of a familial search of the National DNA Database. 776 00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:54,935 Ancl it's also led to the routine recording of interviews 777 00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,575 with suspects in serious cases. 778 00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:00,415 The Lynette White investigation was a cold case 779 00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:03,335 which had broken new ground. 780 00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:08,295 But, most importantly, it had delivered justice for Lynette, 781 00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,375 a 20-year-old who had been through hard times, 782 00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:13,975 but had her whole life ahead of her. 783 00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:17,815 I literally still pray for Lynette. 784 00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:21,175 There is no way that I will ever forget. 785 00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,855 She didn't need to be murdered. She didn't need to die. 786 00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:27,375 She had her life ahead of her. 787 00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:30,735 Lynette was so young, 788 00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:35,495 and I don't think that anybody could possibly read all about that 789 00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:40,255 and not be moved by it and think what a terrible waste of life. 790 00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,015 Subtitles by accessibility@itv.com 67688

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