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NICOLA WALKER: They are the murders
that shook the nation.
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REPORTER: The savagery
of this murder
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has shocked
even the most hardened detectives.
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REPORTER: He was attacked
by this bus stop, by a racist mob.
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REPORTER: This flat
was the scene of a horrific killing.
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For decades, the truth lay hidden,
and the killers evaded justice.
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Until one woman took up the hunt.
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Angela has solved some of the
biggest cases in British history.
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Dr Angela Gallop is
a world-leading forensic scientist.
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I've clone a lot of work
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with forensic scientists,
but she's the best.
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She led the team
and set the standard.
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She put the bar where it was.
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She's helped solve
hundreds of high-profile cold-cases,
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finding clues
where others have failed.
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Without the forensic input,
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the murder
would never have been solved.
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Now, Dr Gallop is opening
her extraordinary casebook
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to reveal the forensic secrets
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behind some of the country's
most infamous crimes,
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and how they caught the killers
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who thought
they'd got away with murder.
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It's a puzzle
that you have to solve.
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Every contact leaves a trace.
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It's just whether or not
we are clever enough to find it.
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Tonight, a murder where the traces
of the killer went undiscovered
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for over a decade.
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She was a young girl
who was brutally murdered.
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How did Angela and her team
use ground-breaking forensics
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to finally solve one of Britain's
most controversial cases?
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You talk about
A Nightmare On Elm Street,
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well, this was a nightmare
on James Street.
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The murder of Lynette White
was a brutal murder.
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There was over 50 stab wounds,
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and she was left lying in what was
pretty much a desolate flat,
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in the clocks area.
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The crime scene
was on top of a betting shop.
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Ancl it was a small flat.
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It had a dirty mattress
on the floor.
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It had a cardboard box
with used condoms.
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Not much else in the room.
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There was this
arterial spray of blood on the wall.
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A sad scene, a sad end.
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She was quite a bubbly little girl,
very pretty.
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Generally nice, nice kid,
nice person.
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She'd had problems
from early childhood,
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and there was never guidance
in her life.
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Lynette White
was only 20 years old.
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She'd had a difficult upbringing
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and was working as a prostitute
in the docks area of Cardiff.
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It's easy to label people
without actually knowing them.
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You don't know what has coerced them
into doing things.
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You don't know anything
about their life.
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She was a young girl
who was brutally murdered.
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The investigation
into Lynette White's murder
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was to be tainted by accusations
of racism and corruption.
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Witnesses were bullied by police,
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and a false confession led to one
of the worst miscarriages of justice
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in British legal history.
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A suspect with bloodstained clothes
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who was seen near the flat
was white,
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but all the men the police arrested
were Black.
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They would become known
by campaigners as the Cardiff Five.
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You know, when they're telling you
something like this and, you know,
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a girl had been stabbed
50 to 70 times...
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You know, "Don't put this on me."
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But they did.
That's what they wanted to do.
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There was nothing we could do.
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There wasn't a shred of evidence
connecting forensically
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these people to the murder.
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Something had gone wrong.
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With their convictions overturned,
the failure to catch the real killer
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was a stain on South Wales Police
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and left a shadow
hanging over the community.
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In 1999,
11 years after Lynette's murder,
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a fresh team of detectives
from the force
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launched a last-ditch attempt
to find the real killer.
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That's where we turned to what we
saw has been the best in the field.
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"Angela Gallop,
how can you help us?"
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And the work that Angela Gallop
and her team would do
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to help solve Lynette's murder
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was to change
the way forensic science is used
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to crack
seemingly unsolvable crimes.
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You learn something new
in every case, but, my goodness,
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we learnt a lot
from this particular one.
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I'll never forget the first time
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that I walked
into a forensic science lab.
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I noticed that there was
this orangey-red staining
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inside a fume cupboard and then on
the side wall and bench next to it.
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Ancl I remember thinking to myself,
"My goodness, is that blood?"
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You know,
"What is it what they do in here?"
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You know, "Do they have body
parts in here? What on earth is it?"
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Ancl then I noticed that there was
a washing line across one corner
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at the back of the lab,
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on which obviously
bloodstained clothing was hanging,
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and this sort of
kind of made the whole thing worse.
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Ancl I, in that laboratory,
I was to be the first woman
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who actually did the full range
of forensic activities,
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including going to court.
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I don't think my boss
was very keen on it at the time.
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And I remember
the very first clay I was there,
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he wasted no time in telling me
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that he didn't really believe
in women doing this kind of work.
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But as ever, I think I just thought
to myself,
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"Well, I'll show you.
I'll show you what I can do."
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By 1999, Angela had helped solve
hundreds of high-profile crimes,
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but the 1988 murder
of Lynette White
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was to be
her first major cold case.
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Angela knew that, at its heart,
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there was not only an intensely
complicated forensic puzzle,
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but also the shadow of
a terrible miscarriage of justice.
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I was very angry
with the police investigation
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because, initially,
when Lynette's body was found,
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there was a photo fit.
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And there was
lots of news articles about...
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A man was found
outside 7 James Street,
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and he was in a dishevelled state
with blood on his hands.
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Here we are,
looking for this white man...
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...and then suddenly, I'm in a
police station with five Black men.
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It was just amazing and unbelievable
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how one white man can suddenly
turn into five Black men.
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In 1990, john Actie
and his cousin, Ronnie Actie,
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were acquitted
of taking part in the killing.
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But they had
spent almost two years in custody
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on remand, awaiting trial.
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I am bitter. I am broke.
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The Actie cousins were free.
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Justice again, justice again.
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But the others,
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Yusef Abdul la hi, Stephen Miller,
and Tony Paris,
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were found guilty.
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The Cardiff Five,
as their supporters had called them,
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now became the Cardiff Three.
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REPORTER: How do the family feel
now?
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How do you think they feel?
What do you mean how they feel?
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Is that justice?
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But the convictions
stood for just two years.
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In 1992,
the Court of Appeal ruled
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that a gross miscarriage of justice
had taken place.
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Lacking evidence,
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false confessions had been forced
by police in bullying interviews.
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The Cardiff Three were released.
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There's so much anger and upset,
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and, yes, it's a sheer miscarriage
of justice, sheer miscarriage.
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If they had forensic,
believe you me, we would've had it.
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There wasn't any, and that's it.
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This was the case
which faced Angela Gallop.
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Men wrongly accused,
a woman's family without justice,
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and from the original investigation,
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not a trace of forensics
to identify a suspect.
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A human tragedy
centred on the murder in a flat
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in Cardiff's James Street.
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I think when I'm getting to grips
with a particular case,
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particularly a complex one
with lots of moving parts in it,
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I've sort of a rather pictorial
mind, and I love diagrams of things,
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and I'm often just sketching out
connections between things.
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I find it much easier to do that
and then, at a glance,
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I can bring myself back
to the totality of the case.
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Cos it's really important
when you're doing these cases,
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at one level, you're looking
down at the case from above.
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So, you're looking at all
the different component parts of it
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and all the different, you know,
potential links.
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And then the next moment,
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you're right down in the weeds,
right down actually, saying,
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"We'll look for that particular
thing, for this particular thing."
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So, you're right down there
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and all the time,
you're swapping between the two,
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you're swapping between your
diagram, this overarching view...
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...and then the minutiae
of the work that you're doing
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at that particular moment.
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I find diagrams a really good way of
kind of controlling that process.
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In this particular case,
the first thing we were asked to do
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was to review the
original investigation of the case.
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Ancl so that's what we did.
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We looked at everything that had
been clone by the original scientists
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and just gave our opinion
about that.
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Ancl I think, looking back at that,
the main thing that struck me
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was that
they had a sketchy understanding
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of the blood patterns at the flat,
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and it had told them enough
to know where the attack had started
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and probably
where Lynette's throat had been cut.
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Ancl then also the fact
that her body had been moved,
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where probably the bulk
of the attack then took place.
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But it didn't really
tell you anything
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about how the attacker
might have got out afterwards.
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If you know what happened
between a victim and suspect,
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and the kind of contact
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that they are likely
to have had with each other,
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it'll tell you where to look
for what sorts of traces
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of that contact between them.
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There was a lot of blood
at the murder scene.
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Most belonged to Lynette.
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There was, though, some
which belonged to another person.
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It appeared to match
a female friend of Lynette's
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who had falsely testified
to being a witness to the murder.
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But there was one test,
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which was carried out
about a year after the murder,
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that suggested that the blood
had to belong to someone else.
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One of the many DNA type tests
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that were clone subsequent
to that initial investigation
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indicated that this blood,
this foreign blood,
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looked as though
it had come from a man, not a woman.
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It gave a result indicating
that it contained the Y chromosome,
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which you only find in men or males.
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That was certainly something
that we noticed at an early stage.
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If this foreign blood
belonged to a man, who was he?
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And with more than a decade
now passed since the murder,
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how would the forensic team find
new evidence to track him down?
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We knew it wasn't those ones
who were arrested.
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We were looking for somebody
absolutely clean.
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Ancl my main goal initially
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was to ensure
that we developed a DNA profile.
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So, the key thing about this case
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was to find
some more of this foreign blood.
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Blood that hadn't come from Lynette,
and might conceivably be connected,
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and might conceivably have come
from the offender
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because with so many stab wounds,
such a violent and prolonged attack,
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it is not that unusual for
the offender to injure themselves.
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So, that was
the natural starting point.
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NICOLA WALKER:
Forensic scientist Dr Angela Gallop
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is an expert in cracking cold-cases.
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In 1999,
she was asked to find new evidence
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in the murder of Lynette White in
Cardiff, more than a decade before.
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The case files noted
that a great deal of Lynette's blood
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had been found on the walls
of the flat in which she died.
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There had also been a small amount
of blood
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from an unidentified stranger.
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But the forensic searches
of the crime scene back in 1988
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had left Angela's team
with a major problem.
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The police had clone an excellent job
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in looking for fingerprints
throughout the flat
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and had sprayed a lot of
the wallpaper with this chemical,
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called ninhydrin,
which brings up fingerprints
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and it turns them
from something you can't really see
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to sort of
a bright, purplish colour,
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so it makes them really visible.
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So, they'd sprayed
all of the wallpaper
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where we had these blood patterns
and a lot of the blood.
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Ancl unfortunately,
ninhydrin completely destroys DNA...
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SHE LAUGHS
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...so you can't then analyse it
properly.
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The focus for the original
investigation would've been
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blood grouping and fingerprints.
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DNA wasn't in the game.
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To uncover traces of the killer,
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the forensic team
would have to find blood
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which had not been affected
by the search for fingerprints.
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Although more than a decade
had passed since the murder,
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the hunt had to begin at the flat.
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The first thing you need to do
is to understand as much as you can
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about what happened
at the crime scene...
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...and it's very, very useful
often to go back to the crime scene
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to get that geography and topography
of it,
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so you can imagine what it was
like...
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...because sometimes
there are clues in there.
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There might be
little hints of something
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which they didn't follow up
at the time
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because maybe
they didn't just notice them,
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or maybe
they didn't have the techniques
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to be able to do it at that time.
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We went there in the evening,
in the dark...
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...so that it would sort of, er,
replicate the murder scene.
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I had all the crime scene
photographs as well,
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so I could
kind of picture the crime scene.
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Ancl even though
the place had been painted twice
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in the intervening years,
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I could picture what the bloodstain
had been like
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at the time of the crime.
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She was looking at it, erm,
totally from the science side of it.
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There was
lots of measurements taken.
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When we left that flat,
she had a good idea of that scene,
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and that was the start
of where we went
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and discussed on where we thought
we could find some evidence.
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Angela took her measurements
and notes
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and used the bloodstained wallpaper
from the flat
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to reconstruct the crime scene.
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So, that's three...
This is... This is right by the bed.
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OK.
This one.
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She worked with her colleague,
April Robson,
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to analyse what the patterns
told them about the attack,
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and where they might be able
to search for fresh evidence.
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20 years on, Angela and April
are re-enacting their experiment.
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When we came along, trying to
understand the scene, we thought,
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"One of the best ways of doing that
is through all the blood patterns
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"that are captured
on these wallpaper strips.
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"So, what if we recreate the crime
scene with these wallpaper strips?"
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And so April and I
got a whole set of office dividers
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together in a large room,
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and we erected them
in roughly the same shape and size
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as the original flat had been in.
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Ancl then we stuck up the bits
of wallpaper on the dividers.
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And in this way,
we could recreate the crime scene.
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Angela is extremely different
to any reporting forensic scientist
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that I've ever come across before.
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Yes, somewhere like that cos we've
got to get the other two in as well.
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She definitely had ideas for
developing new ways of thinking.
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Let's just have a look.
Ah, this looks like something.
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I'd never encountered
anything like this before.
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When she first talked to us about
her interpretation of the scene...
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...it was like something from a film.
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It was compelling.
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By using the scene photographs,
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and the position of Lynette's body
within the scene,
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we tried to sort of identify
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how somebody would've
maybe moved about within the scene
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to decide which areas
to target for DNA.
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You've got this patch of blood
staining,
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and then there was
that little alcove, wasn't there,
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beyond the chimney breast?
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I think this was the chimney breast
here, wasn't it? Yeah.
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Ancl then there was a bed here,
the single bed. Yeah.
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Ancl that was the only thing
that there was in the room.
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I think
this is where the attack started
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and where some of the worst injuries
that Lynette received
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were inflicted.
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When your artery is breached,
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you often get these very heavy drops
of blood, which are then...
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The sort of... The splashes,
the stains, are too heavy.
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They've got too much blood in them
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to remain as distinct
sort of shapes, oval shapes,
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so you get these
runs of blood that come off them.
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Ancl that's exactly what happens
with arterial spurting.
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We know
it was quite a frenzied attack
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because of Lynette's injuries...
Mm.
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...and we knew
that somebody was bleeding.
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So this, all this, could be part
of the attacker's blood. Mm.
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It's a reflection of the fact
it was a very dynamic attack,
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and it looks as though she
certainly tried to fight him off.
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Doing this sort of analysis
that Angela Gallop was excellent on,
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on describing
where the deposits of evidence were
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and where the impact of acts
would have come to that.
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That's crime scene interpretation.
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She, by looking at this placement
of the blood,
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was even to tell the story
of what would've happened
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with the assailant.
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That was extremely powerful.
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It's relatively easy,
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after the blood from the victim
has started to flow
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and has coated the knife,
the handle, and the blade,
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for the offender's hand
to slip down off the handle
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onto the cutting edge of the blade,
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and then their blood can then
get scattered around at the scene.
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The spots here
all look like cast-off blood,
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so they've been cast off something
which is bleeding
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or something
with a lot of wet blood on it.
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So that would either be Lynette,
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but we suspected in this case
that, actually, if we were lucky,
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we might be able to find some more
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of this
potentially offender-type blood.
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And so anything which could
have intercepted a droplet of blood
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from him would be great, that hadn't
been treated for fingerprints.
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It was really critical.
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We would
look at the crime scene photographs,
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we had the crime scene there.
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Ancl we knew the position of the body
where it was found.
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So, it was that context.
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"Well, what's near it?"
What was near it?
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From the scene photographs,
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we knew that the right shoe was sort
of down in this sort of location.
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And, interestingly, that was where
the cellophane was recovered.
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It was a top of a cigarette packet,
which potentially is interesting
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because there'd never been any
talk of anybody smoking in the flat.
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There was one particular stain
on that cellophane
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amongst all the contact
smeared staining,
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one particular round stain
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that could
conceivably be from the offender
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because it was cast off blood.
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It had been blood
created into a droplet
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that then flew through the air
and landed on the cellophane,
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as it can land on the wall
and produce a directional splash
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or if it lands head-on,
it'll produce a round spot.
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So, terribly important
understanding blood patterns
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to give you
a clue of what's happened here,
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but give you a clue, too, where
to look for certain blood stains,
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or blood stains from certain people.
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The cellophane wrapper showed up
in the crime scene photographs,
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but had previously
been deemed so insignificant
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that it had been ignored.
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Until now.
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"Have we got that?
Have we photographed that?"
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We had it.
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We'd photographed it.
We'd never examined it.
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Ancl that's where Cellophane Man
started.
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Angela decided to try and look
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to see if there was anything
on that cellophane
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that could give us a DNA profile.
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I remember her showing me the photos
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of the blood staining
on the cellophane
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and her pointing out
a particular stain
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that she would really like
to be DNA-tested.
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We DNA-profiled that, and we got a
nearly full male profile from it.
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Because the foreign blood,
our foreign blood,
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was first identified
on the cellophane,
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we called him Cellophane Man.
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It was a massive breakthrough.
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But of course,
life being what it is,
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once you get something,
you want a bit more, don't you?
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I thought, "Right, I want it now.
I want to know who this is.
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"Cellophane Man.
We are looking for Cellophane Man.
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"That's the guy!"
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NICOLA WALKER: The murder of
Lynette White had remained unsolved
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for more than a decade
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when cold case forensic expert
Dr Angela Gallop
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was brought in to support
a new police investigation.
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After reconstructing
the crime scene,
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the team got its first breakthrough.
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00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:44,055
Cellophane from a cigarette wrapper
found near Lynette's body
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had been examined, and revealed
the DNA of the prime suspect.
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The investigators dubbed him
Cellophane Man.
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Detectives now had to test
the Cellophane Man profile
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against the DNA of the five men
originally charged with the crime.
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This was a difficulty that we...
that we had.
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They've been affected by this case.
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We had to make sure
that they didn't think
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that we were looking at them again.
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South Wales Police are evil.
SHOUTING: No justice!
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No justice!
Evil beyond belief.
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We felt that
some of the police still felt that
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the Cardiff Five could have
been responsible for the murder.
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Ancl so one of the first things
we did
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when we got Cellophane Man's profile
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was to compare that
against their DNA profiles.
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But it matched
absolutely none of them.
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It was nothing to do with them.
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INDISTINCT SHOUTING
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When I heard about
the reinvestigation,
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I was, you know,
really happy because, erm...
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obviously, I wanted them
to catch the killer, erm...
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for the reason is
the guy killed someone.
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He shouldn't be on the streets.
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00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,415
Ancl the second reason is
to make us righteous again,
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you know what I mean?
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Because all the fingers
was pointing at us.
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You know, "They was lucky."
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00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,735
It was, you know,
"There's no smoke without fire."
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00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:13,975
That kind of stuff, you know?
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To be able to demonstrate
that the DNA could not be from them,
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I hope was some sort of relief
to them.
439
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:25,375
But it left us in a slight quandary,
if it's not them, well, who is it?
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The Cellophane Man DNA provided
a partial profile of a man.
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While it told the team
that the Cardiff Five were innocent,
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it did not show them
who had killed Lynette.
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Angela needed to find more
of the killer's blood
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to link him directly to the murder.
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I had the scenes
of crime photographs in front of me,
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and we were all thinking
about what we could do.
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We needed to find
a pattern of blood staining
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on and around the body
and on the exit route.
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00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,695
We knew that there was some
foreign blood at the crime scene,
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so it wasn't all Lynette's.
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So we had to look for new samples
of blood staining.
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And so one of the things
that we decided to do
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was to have a look
at the skirting board.
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Because we could see
in the crime scenes,
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in these crime scenes,
we could see here
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that there was some blood
on the skirting board itself.
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Some of that hadn't been affected
by the chemical testing,
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and so some of that might actually,
if it's still there,
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might actually give us
a route in to the offender.
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Angela had the idea that
we would bring the skirting board
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into the laboratory and
see if that blood was still there.
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The whole flat had been renovated.
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It had been clone up immaculately.
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So, I had to ask the landlord,
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"Could we have
this piece of skirting board?"
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Ancl I remember
when he brought it into the lab,
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and we started looking under the
microscope at the layers of paint.
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I think it was
maybe even three layers,
469
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so it could have been painted
at least three times.
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April Robson did it so carefully.
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Because if we went too shallow,
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we would never have exposed
any of the blood
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that we hoped
would still be there.
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But also, not to go too deep
when we would have disrupted it all,
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and we wouldn't have, you know,
been able to collect
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a proper sample from it.
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There was always the chance
that the blood had been wiped away
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before it had been repainted.
479
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,975
But it's... it's never say never.
You should always try these things.
480
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,375
It took a long time to do that.
481
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,455
You know, clays,
if not a couple of weeks.
482
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,295
Ancl all under the microscope.
483
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:59,255
All incredibly sort of
careful work with the scalpel.
484
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,375
Luckily for us,
that blood hadn't been washed away,
485
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,055
it had just been painted over.
486
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:08,535
We were able to swab a bit
from there.
487
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:15,015
And then we noticed
that there must have been a point
488
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,255
where the skirting board
hadn't met the wall properly,
489
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,895
and there was a little gap between
the wall and the skirting board.
490
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:21,495
Ancl as it so happens,
491
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:26,615
some blood had dripped down between
the gap in the board and the wall.
492
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,895
Ancl so that gave us
a little more blood to try.
493
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,215
And so we DNA-profiled
both of those.
494
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,815
Ancl we were very pleased to find
that they matched
495
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,895
the foreign male blood
on the cellophane.
496
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,775
So now we were starting
to get somewhere.
497
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,775
It was absolutely amazing.
It was fantastic.
498
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:52,135
Each time they found
something extra,
499
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,255
it improved our chances
of getting that full profile.
500
00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:00,375
But Angela and April now wanted
to know what could be revealed
501
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,695
from the blood patterns
left by the killer's escape.
502
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,775
What was very important is that
there was no electricity,
503
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,575
so there was no lighting
other than street lighting.
504
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:15,135
So, there was two street lights
directly outside the flat.
505
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:16,855
There was no lighting inside,
506
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:20,935
and, certainly, on the landing,
the bulb had gone.
507
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:26,175
So whoever was in that room
was going to fumble their way around
508
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,615
because it was quite a small space.
509
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:34,095
When the attacker
turned his back on Lynette
510
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:37,455
and started walking out of the room,
he must have been walking,
511
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,935
effectively,
into what was pitch black.
512
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,735
Angela and April used
the bloodstains on the walls
513
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,375
to trace the killer's escape
down the stairs.
514
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,415
A crime scene photo
515
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,735
showed a distinctive smear of blood
on the front door.
516
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:57,695
This, too, had been covered over
517
00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:59,295
when the building
had been repainted.
518
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,015
Using the photographs,
we could actually determine
519
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,575
where we had to look
very specifically. Yeah.
520
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,895
Yeah. And I think
it was this darker stain here
521
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,415
that actually gave us
the starting point. Yeah.
522
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,895
So, that was
a really important finding, that.
523
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:20,055
Crucially, the mark which the killer
had left on the front door
524
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,175
contained both his DNA
and Lynette's,
525
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:27,895
and therefore directly linked
Cellophane Man to the murder.
526
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,295
Now what was important
was to show
527
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,135
that, actually, there was some
of this on Lynette's body itself,
528
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,535
so we were very interested
in Lynette's clothing.
529
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,335
But, of course, that was absolutely
saturated in her own blood,
530
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,855
so we had to choose
some specific areas to test.
531
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,695
We knew by looking at
some of the very discreet stains
532
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,095
within the photographs
533
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:56,695
that there was potentially some
foreign blood on Lynette's clothing.
534
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,215
So it was very important
for us to determine
535
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,975
where on her clothing
it may have been deposited.
536
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,735
Lynette had been manhandled
in a particular way,
537
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:09,375
not only dragged across the room
to where she was finally found,
538
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,935
but also manhandled to the extent
that her clothing,
539
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,095
her upper clothing, was not
in the position you would expect.
540
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:20,135
One of her arms had come
out of the sleeve of the jacket,
541
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,575
and the jacket then pulled
across the top of her body
542
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:26,055
such that the back of the jacket
was over...
543
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:27,855
was covering the front of her body.
544
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:30,775
In order to do that...
545
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,615
He's gonna have to make contact...
I've had to pull on that.
546
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:37,295
Yeah. So, the right cuff
is absolutely somewhere to look at.
547
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:38,575
Yeah.
548
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:40,255
'So, this is very classic
of Angela.
549
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:44,535
'She wanted me to wear a
very similar sweatshirt and jacket,'
550
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:48,455
and we carried out experiments
to determine how the jacket
551
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,255
sort of got into the position
that Lynette was found.
552
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,335
This is the best way to do it,
553
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,895
always to recreate things,
reconstruct things.
554
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,975
It's much the best way
of understanding what you can do,
555
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,295
what you can't do, what's possible,
what's not possible.
556
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:02,615
OK.
That's what he looks like.
557
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:04,815
That's how it ended up.
Ancl then that sitting there.
558
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:06,055
Yep.
Yeah.
559
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:09,535
Working together,
we managed to work out how...
560
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,455
her jacket in particular
would have got into the position
561
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,735
that it was found
when her body was found.
562
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:18,975
Ancl that helped us pinpoint
the areas that, er...
563
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,135
that we should be looking at
in more detail with DNA profiling.
564
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,375
It told us that, actually,
a very good place was to look
565
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,215
on one cuff in particular,
566
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,615
and in a particular area
on that cuff.
567
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,535
Ancl then I think
there are one or two other areas
568
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:36,735
that we also looked, erm...
569
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,895
and we found
the offender DNA profile
570
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,775
on both the sweatshirt
and the jacket.
571
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,335
Ancl it was
because of this experiment,
572
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:49,415
because of this reconstruction,
this manhandling reconstruction.
573
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,295
Absolutely how that arm is.
Mm-hm, yeah.
574
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,095
Brilliant.
575
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:55,775
Brilliant!
576
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:04,455
So, now we had Cellophane Man's DNA
577
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,375
on, obviously,
the cellophane that we started with,
578
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:12,415
we had it on the skirting board
behind where Lynette's body was.
579
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:16,215
We had it on her clothing,
on her sweatshirt and her jacket,
580
00:34:16,240 --> 00:34:20,535
and we had it just outside the door
to the bedroom where she was killed.
581
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,495
And we had it
at the top of the staircase,
582
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,455
down which the offender
would have to have gone.
583
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:29,215
Ancl we had it mixed
with Lynette's own blood
584
00:34:29,240 --> 00:34:32,055
on the inside of the front door
585
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,015
through which the offender
would have had to pass
586
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,215
to get out into the street.
587
00:34:36,240 --> 00:34:39,215
So, in other words,
we had enough evidence there.
588
00:34:39,240 --> 00:34:43,455
We had the right sort of pattern
to show the Cellophane Man DNA
589
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:48,015
was intimately connected
with Lynette White's death.
590
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:53,015
So, now the question arose again,
who was Cellophane Man?
591
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:54,415
Ancl how could we find him?
592
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,975
NICOLA WALKER: Forensic scientist
Dr Angela Gallop was investigating
593
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,215
the 1988 murder of Lynette White
in Cardiff.
594
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,295
Reviewing the murder as a cold case
more than a decade later,
595
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,735
Angela and her team had found blood
from the killer
596
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:23,135
and extracted his DNA.
597
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:28,335
As the blood was first found
on wrapping from a cigarette packet,
598
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,735
the murderer had become known
to the team as Cellophane Man.
599
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:34,615
Having the killer's DNA
600
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,575
was the biggest breakthrough
in the case for 14 years.
601
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:40,775
But there was a problem.
602
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:46,375
The search of the DNA database
proved fruitless.
603
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:47,935
There was nobody on the DNA database
604
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,935
that matched the profile
of Cellophane Man.
605
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:55,855
So, the police decided to hold
a mass screen,
606
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:59,295
which is basically
collecting together, erm...
607
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:04,775
a subset of the local population,
a sort of large number of people,
608
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:08,575
and screening their blood just to
see if they could find it that way.
609
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:10,855
But that didn't work either.
610
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:12,415
South Wales Police had a...
611
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,975
quite a radical, different way
of looking at it
612
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:20,055
in terms of introducing something
called familial DNA testing.
613
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:24,615
A familial DNA search meant going
back to the National Database
614
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,095
and looking for anyone
whose DNA suggested
615
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,775
they may be a blood relative
of Cellophane Man.
616
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,295
To narrow down the search,
617
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,935
the team looked for people
in South Wales
618
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:39,055
who shared the rarest part
of the Cellophane Man DNA...
619
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,575
...a component called FGA 27.
620
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:49,775
In doing this, the police reported
that there were 600 profiles
621
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:53,495
containing this one component.
622
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,775
So, that was, like, the first time,
I've got to be honest, I thought...
623
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:57,855
"We're gonna get him."
624
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:03,215
Because if it had been thousands,
if it had been tens of thousands,
625
00:37:03,240 --> 00:37:06,735
we would have got to him eventually,
but it wasn't tens of thousands.
626
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:13,335
The team then took the 600 profiles
which contained FGA 27
627
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,935
and analysed them
for further elements in common
628
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:16,935
with Cellophane Man.
629
00:37:18,240 --> 00:37:21,295
One match stood out
head and shoulders above the rest.
630
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,655
This had come
from a 14-year-old boy
631
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:29,935
who hadn't even been born
at the time of Lynette's killing.
632
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:33,655
Erm, but... And just happened
to have got onto the database.
633
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,455
I think it was through
some fairly minor misdemeanour.
634
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,055
I mean,
he must have had his DNA taken,
635
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,895
but it was nothing major.
636
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,175
It was just amazing that his profile
was on the database at all.
637
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:48,455
So, we hit on this young boy,
638
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,775
we work through his family,
and it's not quite a match,
639
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:51,855
we're not getting it.
640
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:55,015
The police took a sample
from the father.
641
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:59,335
Erm... He wasn't a match,
but he was very close.
642
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:00,655
Ancl I think all the time,
643
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,855
while we're getting this family
and the closeness repeated,
644
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,055
we're getting
slightly more confident
645
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,055
that this might well be
the family that we need.
646
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,935
And then the police discovered
that the father had a brother,
647
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:16,935
who had been a recluse
for a number of years.
648
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:18,895
I don't think the family
had seen much of him.
649
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,215
We go to see him,
we get that sample.
650
00:38:24,240 --> 00:38:27,895
Ancl I... I remember these times
quite vividly,
651
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:29,335
and I never thought
we'd get to this.
652
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:30,495
I just... I just...
653
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:32,935
I'm thinking this is, like...
It's incredible.
654
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:36,375
It was a fantastic feeling.
It was so exciting.
655
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,855
So, we had quite
a nervous number of hours' wait
656
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,175
whilst the DNA profile was obtained.
657
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,015
And I remember vividly sitting
next to the machine,
658
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,575
as his DNA profile was
coming through.
659
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,695
And I had Cellophane Man's profile
in my hand.
660
00:38:53,720 --> 00:38:57,935
And then I was watching the coloured
bands coming through on the machine.
661
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:00,215
And I could look at those,
662
00:39:00,240 --> 00:39:03,615
and I could work out from the
spacing of the bands on the machine
663
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:07,095
that, yes, this looked as though
it was indeed Cellophane Man.
664
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:11,295
We had got him at last.
665
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,455
Ancl his name was
Jeffrey Charles Gafoor.
666
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:22,215
Jeffrey Gafoor was a security guard
living just outside Cardiff.
667
00:39:22,240 --> 00:39:26,895
His DNA matched the killer's,
and finally, after 15 years,
668
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,575
there was a face to match
the Photofit.
669
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,375
The police put him
under surveillance
670
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,215
to give themselves time
to prepare for the interviews.
671
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,095
Because there'd been
so much criticism
672
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:40,455
of the original interviews,
673
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:44,655
we had to have the absolute
perfect interview setup.
674
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:46,535
So we needed time.
675
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,615
Well, time wasn't on our side.
It was simple as that.
676
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:53,495
I remember telling my wife,
"We've got him."
677
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:57,295
Ancl Brent Parry rings me up.
He says, erm...
678
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:01,135
"He's gone into a couple of shops,
he's buying paracetamol tablets,
679
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:02,695
"amongst other things.
680
00:40:02,720 --> 00:40:04,935
"Erm... What are we going to do?"
681
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:06,535
Either he's got
a hell of a headache,
682
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:08,135
or he's gonna do something.
683
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:09,535
So, I said, "We've got to move."
684
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:14,335
So, that's my instructions
to the surveillance team.
685
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:15,855
They arrest him.
686
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,695
And he says,
"I've been waiting for this.
687
00:40:18,720 --> 00:40:20,295
"I deserve to be punished."
688
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,495
I think he said, "I deserve to die.
I've taken the paracetamol."
689
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:27,335
I think he said
he took 64 paracetamol tablets.
690
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,615
So, he was rushed to hospital.
691
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:32,975
He was close to death,
692
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:34,415
but er...
693
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,815
we saved him, and we took him back.
694
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,575
Please state your full name
and date of birth.
695
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:48,415
Jeffrey Charles Gafoor.
28th of the fifth, '65.
696
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:49,855
The reason for this interview...
697
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:55,895
...is because you have been arrested
for the murder of Lynette White.
698
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:59,615
'A security guard has been charged
with the murder of Lynette White.
699
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,815
'Jeffrey Gafoor was arrested
at his home in Llanharan,
700
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:04,735
'near Bridgend, over the weekend.'
701
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,975
NEWSREEL: 'Gafoor was convicted
of killing Lynette White
702
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,415
'15 years after her death.'
703
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:14,695
NEWSREEL: 'DNA evidence brought
a confession from Jeffrey Gafoor
704
00:41:14,720 --> 00:41:15,775
'for Lynette's murder.'
705
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:23,095
The clay they caught him,
and it was just, like, "Oh, my God."
706
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:25,655
Eh? It was, like, unbelievable,
you know?
707
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,015
So, the reinvestigation
by South Wales Police,
708
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,815
oh, it was a good thing.
It was really good.
709
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:34,655
The forensic...
absolutely top drawer, top drawer.
710
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:35,735
'Good evening.
711
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,815
'Jeffrey Gafoor murdered
prostitute Lynette White
712
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:43,015
'in what a judge described as,
"a terrible and vicious fashion."
713
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:46,015
'Today, 15 years after Lynette died,
714
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,255
'Gafoor has been jailed for life.'
715
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:52,575
In July 2003,
716
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:56,295
Jeffrey Gafoor admitted in court
to murdering Lynette White...
717
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,255
...although he never explained
why he had killed her.
718
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,015
The painstaking forensic
investigation,
719
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:10,575
which had brought him to justice,
had taken four years.
720
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:14,255
But Angela and her team
had finally uncovered the clues
721
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:18,815
to reveal exactly what happened
on that dark Valentine's Day
722
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:20,815
in Cardiff in 1988.
723
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,135
If it wasn't for Angela
and her team,
724
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:25,495
he wouldn't be in jail.
725
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:26,695
Do you know what I'm saying?
726
00:42:26,720 --> 00:42:29,175
Because the DNA,
without them sorting it out,
727
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:30,855
he might still be on the road.
728
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:32,015
He'd still be out there.
729
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:46,495
In a forensic career
stretching back almost 50 years,
730
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,175
Dr Angela Gallop
has never had the chance to meet up
731
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,415
with anyone proven innocent
by her work.
732
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,015
She's come to Cardiff
to meet john Actie.
733
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:58,895
Nice to meet you.
Pleased to meet you.
734
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:04,055
The clay they said that
they got Gafoor, I was so happy.
735
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:05,215
I was... I can remember...
736
00:43:05,240 --> 00:43:07,015
I can't imagine
what it would have been like.
737
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,375
Oh, it was... Yeah, you know.
Ancl it was...
738
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:10,775
"I told you so, by the way."
Yeah!
739
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:12,055
THEY LAUGH
740
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,455
Yeah, well, exactly.
I was, like, you know,
741
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,135
"I told you, I told you", you know?
Yeah.
742
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,335
It just highlights, you know...
Yeah.
743
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,215
...the rots justice we had, you know?
Absolutely.
744
00:43:20,240 --> 00:43:22,015
What happened to us. And, er...
Absolutely.
745
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:25,815
The DNA... We're so grateful,
and we're so grateful for, erm...
746
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:29,295
you know, the South Wales Police
for reinvestigating it.
747
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:30,735
Do you still have...
748
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:32,895
I don't know
whether to call them flashbacks
749
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:34,175
or what to call them, really,
750
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,135
but bad memories about the...
Oh, yeah!
751
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:37,735
I imagine you have...
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
752
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:39,495
I have very bad memories.
Yeah, yeah,
753
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:41,935
You sit in a flat, you know,
thinking about it, "Why me?"
754
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:45,135
Just being back in that moment.
Yeah, back in that moment.
755
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,335
You know, all different things,
you know, like,
756
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,175
sometimes, I've got to keep
my telly on in the night.
757
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:53,495
Do you know what I mean? Because if
the telly goes off, and I wakes up,
758
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:54,855
I think I'm in a cell.
759
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:56,335
Do you know?
It's that kind of thing.
760
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:57,815
You release them little...
Yeah.
761
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,415
So, it's a sort of life sentence
in a way, isn't it?
762
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,575
Oh, definitely. Oh, definitely.
But just... Yeah.
763
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:04,375
It's been a long, long, long...
764
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,975
I really feel...
765
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,855
vindicated now,
and everything is, er...
766
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:11,255
Mm.
..Is a lot better.
767
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:22,175
It's doubly satisfying when you can
find and provide the evidence
768
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:26,135
which leaves you in no doubt
of the guilt of someone,
769
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:29,895
and, at the same time,
exonerates other people
770
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:33,295
who have previously
been convicted of the crime.
771
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:37,095
The Lynette White case was
the first time that's ever happened,
772
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,615
and so it made legal history
to that extent.
773
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:41,455
It made forensic science history
774
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,735
because it's the first time
that someone was convicted
775
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:48,975
on the basis of a familial search
of the National DNA Database.
776
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:54,935
Ancl it's also led to
the routine recording of interviews
777
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,575
with suspects in serious cases.
778
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:00,415
The Lynette White investigation
was a cold case
779
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:03,335
which had broken new ground.
780
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:08,295
But, most importantly, it had
delivered justice for Lynette,
781
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,375
a 20-year-old
who had been through hard times,
782
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:13,975
but had her whole life ahead of her.
783
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:17,815
I literally still pray for Lynette.
784
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:21,175
There is no way
that I will ever forget.
785
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,855
She didn't need to be murdered.
She didn't need to die.
786
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:27,375
She had her life ahead of her.
787
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:30,735
Lynette was so young,
788
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:35,495
and I don't think that anybody
could possibly read all about that
789
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:40,255
and not be moved by it and
think what a terrible waste of life.
790
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,015
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