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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:17,851 --> 00:00:19,694 Soldiers adapt. 2 00:00:19,811 --> 00:00:21,859 You go over there with one mindset, you know, 3 00:00:21,980 --> 00:00:23,402 and then you adapt. 4 00:00:23,524 --> 00:00:25,492 You adapt to the atrocities of war. 5 00:00:25,609 --> 00:00:27,077 You adapt to... 6 00:00:29,446 --> 00:00:33,622 ...killing and dying, you know. 7 00:00:33,784 --> 00:00:35,627 After a while it doesn't bother you. 8 00:00:38,455 --> 00:00:40,375 Well, I should say it doesn't bother you as much. 9 00:00:41,833 --> 00:00:45,337 When I first arrived in Vietnam, there were some... 10 00:00:46,755 --> 00:00:48,274 there were some interesting things that happened 11 00:00:48,298 --> 00:00:51,472 and I questioned some of the Marines. 12 00:00:51,635 --> 00:00:56,232 I was made to realize that this is war, and this is what we do. 13 00:00:57,891 --> 00:00:59,518 And that stuck in my head. 14 00:00:59,643 --> 00:01:00,519 This is war. 15 00:01:00,644 --> 00:01:02,738 This is what we do. 16 00:01:02,854 --> 00:01:06,575 And after a while you embrace that. 17 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:10,078 This is war. 18 00:01:10,195 --> 00:01:11,538 This is what we do. 19 00:01:25,752 --> 00:01:28,801 This evening I came here to speak to you about Vietnam. 20 00:01:28,922 --> 00:01:31,846 There is progress in the war itself, 21 00:01:32,009 --> 00:01:35,263 rather dramatic progress considering the situation 22 00:01:35,387 --> 00:01:40,018 that actually prevailed when we sent our troops there in 1965. 23 00:01:40,142 --> 00:01:44,522 The grip of the Viet Cong on the people is being broken. 24 00:01:44,646 --> 00:01:50,153 # If you can just get your mind together # 25 00:01:51,361 --> 00:01:56,367 # Then come across to me # 26 00:01:56,533 --> 00:01:59,161 In the summer of 1967, 27 00:01:59,286 --> 00:02:01,664 the men overseeing the war in Vietnam 28 00:02:01,788 --> 00:02:03,790 remained outwardly optimistic... 29 00:02:03,915 --> 00:02:07,590 whatever private doubts they may have held. 30 00:02:07,711 --> 00:02:10,214 # But first # 31 00:02:10,339 --> 00:02:13,092 # Are you experienced? # 32 00:02:15,719 --> 00:02:19,724 # Have you ever been experienced? # 33 00:02:19,890 --> 00:02:24,145 The American military command in Vietnam, MACV, 34 00:02:24,269 --> 00:02:27,739 claimed to have killed 200,000 enemy troops 35 00:02:27,856 --> 00:02:29,574 and had told the president 36 00:02:29,733 --> 00:02:32,737 that the all-important "crossover point"... 37 00:02:32,861 --> 00:02:36,081 the moment when U.S. and ARVN forces were killing 38 00:02:36,198 --> 00:02:39,247 more Viet Cong and North Vietnamese troops 39 00:02:39,368 --> 00:02:42,918 than the enemy could replace... appeared to have been reached 40 00:02:43,038 --> 00:02:45,962 in almost all of South Vietnam. 41 00:02:46,083 --> 00:02:48,336 But the United States had suffered 42 00:02:48,460 --> 00:02:52,135 nearly 75,000 casualties. 43 00:02:52,255 --> 00:02:58,729 By July 4, 14,624 Americans had died, 44 00:02:58,845 --> 00:03:00,472 and, off the record, 45 00:03:00,597 --> 00:03:04,943 many officers were much less sanguine than their commanders. 46 00:03:05,102 --> 00:03:10,484 From Saigon, R.W. Apple of the New York Times summarized 47 00:03:10,607 --> 00:03:15,204 their views: "Victory is not close at hand," he wrote. 48 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:19,120 In fact, "It may be beyond reach." 49 00:03:29,292 --> 00:03:31,670 It was true that the enemy rarely won a battle 50 00:03:31,795 --> 00:03:34,639 in the traditional military sense that they drove 51 00:03:34,756 --> 00:03:36,633 the Americans from the field. 52 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:40,054 But it was also true that no American victory 53 00:03:40,178 --> 00:03:41,896 seemed to matter. 54 00:03:42,013 --> 00:03:47,645 Battered enemy units were quickly reinforced and rearmed. 55 00:03:47,769 --> 00:03:51,319 Pacification... winning the hearts and minds 56 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:55,070 of the South Vietnamese people... was not working. 57 00:03:55,193 --> 00:03:59,494 Saigon still controlled only a fraction of a country 58 00:03:59,614 --> 00:04:01,491 roughly the size of Florida, 59 00:04:01,658 --> 00:04:03,376 and its government remained 60 00:04:03,493 --> 00:04:07,714 unpopular and riddled with corruption. 61 00:04:07,831 --> 00:04:11,426 President Johnson had been forced to raise taxes 62 00:04:11,543 --> 00:04:14,888 to meet the war's ever-climbing cost. 63 00:04:15,005 --> 00:04:19,135 His ambitious social program... his War on Poverty... 64 00:04:19,259 --> 00:04:21,762 was in retreat. 65 00:04:21,887 --> 00:04:26,688 # Trumpets and violins I can hear in the distance # 66 00:04:26,808 --> 00:04:31,689 That summer, racial unrest would grip American cities. 67 00:04:31,813 --> 00:04:35,192 # Maybe now you can't hear them # 68 00:04:35,317 --> 00:04:37,194 # But you will # 69 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:41,365 The president would have to send the Army into Detroit 70 00:04:41,490 --> 00:04:43,709 to end five days of rioting 71 00:04:43,867 --> 00:04:48,168 that left 43 dead and hundreds of buildings razed. 72 00:04:49,456 --> 00:04:53,381 Twenty-six more died in Newark, New Jersey, 73 00:04:53,543 --> 00:04:56,092 demonstrating yet again how wide a gap 74 00:04:56,213 --> 00:05:00,719 remained between black and white Americans. 75 00:05:00,884 --> 00:05:06,562 Only a third of the country saw any sign of progress in Vietnam, 76 00:05:06,723 --> 00:05:09,727 and half of the country now disapproved 77 00:05:09,851 --> 00:05:14,027 of the president's handling of the war. 78 00:05:14,147 --> 00:05:17,242 Meanwhile, Le Duan and his comrades 79 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:20,700 who ran things in Hanoi, were secretly planning 80 00:05:20,821 --> 00:05:25,327 a new offensive that they believed would destroy 81 00:05:25,450 --> 00:05:28,249 what they called the puppet government in Saigon 82 00:05:28,411 --> 00:05:32,132 and convince the United States the war could never be won 83 00:05:32,249 --> 00:05:35,093 on the battlefield. 84 00:05:36,962 --> 00:05:40,011 There's the old apocryphal story that, in 1967, 85 00:05:40,131 --> 00:05:42,099 they went to the basement of the Pentagon 86 00:05:42,217 --> 00:05:44,436 when the mainframe computers took up the whole basement, 87 00:05:44,594 --> 00:05:46,688 and they put on the old punch cards everything 88 00:05:46,805 --> 00:05:48,325 you could quantify... numbers of ships, 89 00:05:48,431 --> 00:05:50,743 numbers of airplanes, numbers of tanks, numbers of helicopters, 90 00:05:50,767 --> 00:05:54,647 artillery, machine gun, ammo... everything you could quantify, 91 00:05:54,771 --> 00:05:57,775 put it in the hopper and said, "When will we win in Vietnam?" 92 00:05:57,941 --> 00:05:59,534 Went away on Friday. 93 00:05:59,651 --> 00:06:01,494 The thing ground away all weekend. 94 00:06:01,611 --> 00:06:04,581 Came back on Monday and there was one card in the output tray 95 00:06:04,698 --> 00:06:07,577 and it said, "You won in 1965." 96 00:06:07,701 --> 00:06:09,499 The only problem is the enemy gets a vote 97 00:06:09,619 --> 00:06:11,246 and they weren't on the punch cards. 98 00:06:19,087 --> 00:06:23,433 There were nearly half a million American soldiers in Vietnam 99 00:06:23,550 --> 00:06:25,769 by the middle of 1967, 100 00:06:25,886 --> 00:06:28,605 with thousands more on the way. 101 00:06:28,722 --> 00:06:32,977 Only 20% would ever be in combat. 102 00:06:33,143 --> 00:06:36,613 The rest served in support units. 103 00:06:36,730 --> 00:06:40,325 None of them had been taught very much about the people 104 00:06:40,442 --> 00:06:43,321 against whom... and for whom... they had been asked to fight. 105 00:06:45,405 --> 00:06:48,249 Troops called the Vietnamese "gooks"... 106 00:06:48,366 --> 00:06:51,666 a term first used by U.S. Marines to refer 107 00:06:51,786 --> 00:06:54,005 to the people of Haiti and Nicaragua 108 00:06:54,122 --> 00:06:57,672 during the American occupation of those countries, 109 00:06:57,834 --> 00:07:01,509 and then applied to the Asian enemy in Korea. 110 00:07:01,671 --> 00:07:06,598 Or "slopes," an epithet for the Japanese during the Pacific War, 111 00:07:06,718 --> 00:07:11,645 or "dinks," an Australian term for the Chinese. 112 00:07:11,765 --> 00:07:14,268 And so in basic training they taught you 113 00:07:14,392 --> 00:07:16,520 that you were going to be fighting gooks. 114 00:07:16,686 --> 00:07:19,530 It was part of the song that you sang 115 00:07:19,689 --> 00:07:21,862 as you jogged down the road. 116 00:07:21,983 --> 00:07:24,202 As you went through bayonet training, 117 00:07:24,361 --> 00:07:26,614 you were not talking about Vietnamese. 118 00:07:26,738 --> 00:07:30,038 You were always talking about gooks. 119 00:07:30,158 --> 00:07:33,662 Vietnamese might be people, but gooks are-are... 120 00:07:33,787 --> 00:07:35,164 are close to being animals. 121 00:07:35,288 --> 00:07:39,543 GIs called Vietnamese homes "hooches"- 122 00:07:39,668 --> 00:07:42,547 a corruption of the Japanese word for dwelling places 123 00:07:42,671 --> 00:07:45,971 that they had learned during the battle for Okinawa 124 00:07:46,091 --> 00:07:48,264 in the Second World War. 125 00:07:48,385 --> 00:07:53,562 Soldiers referred to older Vietnamese women as "mama sans," 126 00:07:53,682 --> 00:07:56,231 the term they used for women who ran whorehouses 127 00:07:56,393 --> 00:07:59,146 in occupied Japan. 128 00:07:59,270 --> 00:08:02,023 The Viet Cong and the North Vietnamese 129 00:08:02,148 --> 00:08:06,403 called GIs "invaders," "imperialists," 130 00:08:06,569 --> 00:08:08,242 and... 131 00:08:08,405 --> 00:08:10,248 "American bandits." 132 00:08:15,495 --> 00:08:20,251 South Vietnam had been divided into four tactical zones. 133 00:08:20,375 --> 00:08:24,676 By the summer of 1967, American troops were fighting 134 00:08:24,796 --> 00:08:26,423 in all four of them. 135 00:08:28,842 --> 00:08:31,595 In IV Corps, the "Brown Water Navy" 136 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:34,439 patrolled the rivers and canals and marshes 137 00:08:34,597 --> 00:08:37,771 of the densely populated Mekong Delta, 138 00:08:37,892 --> 00:08:41,021 searching for the enemy. 139 00:08:41,146 --> 00:08:45,822 In III Corps, the Army continued to sweep the thick jungles 140 00:08:45,942 --> 00:08:49,412 of the Iron Triangle, the Viet Cong sanctuary 141 00:08:49,529 --> 00:08:53,079 near Saigon that was supposed to have been permanently denied 142 00:08:53,199 --> 00:08:58,626 to the enemy by big American operations earlier in the year. 143 00:08:58,747 --> 00:09:01,796 In II Corps, a series of bloody battles 144 00:09:01,958 --> 00:09:06,555 in the Central Highlands around Dak To temporarily drove 145 00:09:06,671 --> 00:09:11,802 North Vietnamese troops back into Cambodia and Laos. 146 00:09:11,926 --> 00:09:16,397 But some of the most intense combat would take place 147 00:09:16,514 --> 00:09:20,860 in I Corps... made up of the five northernmost provinces 148 00:09:20,977 --> 00:09:23,981 of South Vietnam... where the Marines would bear 149 00:09:24,147 --> 00:09:26,445 the brunt of the fighting. 150 00:09:26,566 --> 00:09:29,820 More than two-and-a-half million people lived there, 151 00:09:29,986 --> 00:09:32,080 all but 2% of them within 152 00:09:32,197 --> 00:09:34,495 the narrow rice-growing river valleys 153 00:09:34,616 --> 00:09:37,290 along the South China Sea. 154 00:09:37,410 --> 00:09:41,165 The Marines wanted to eradicate the Viet Cong there, 155 00:09:41,289 --> 00:09:43,542 and provide security to the people, 156 00:09:43,666 --> 00:09:46,545 village by village, hamlet by hamlet. 157 00:09:46,669 --> 00:09:50,344 The vast, largely empty highlands that stretched 158 00:09:50,465 --> 00:09:53,685 westward all the way to Laos, the Marines argued, 159 00:09:53,802 --> 00:09:56,521 could be left to the enemy. 160 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:59,148 "The real war is among the people," 161 00:09:59,265 --> 00:10:02,109 said Marine lieutenant general Victor Krulak, 162 00:10:02,227 --> 00:10:04,855 "and not among the mountains." 163 00:10:04,979 --> 00:10:07,357 But General William Westmoreland, 164 00:10:07,482 --> 00:10:10,452 the American commander, feared that thousands 165 00:10:10,568 --> 00:10:14,289 of North Vietnamese Army regulars... the NVA... 166 00:10:14,405 --> 00:10:18,581 were planning to seize the two northernmost provinces. 167 00:10:18,701 --> 00:10:23,878 Finding and destroying them remained his first goal. 168 00:10:25,708 --> 00:10:28,461 He insisted the Third Marine Division 169 00:10:28,586 --> 00:10:30,805 move north to meet that challenge, 170 00:10:30,922 --> 00:10:36,304 establish a base at Dong Ha and man strongpoints at Gio Linh, 171 00:10:36,427 --> 00:10:43,902 Con Thien, Cam Lo, Camp Carroll, the Rockpile and Khe Sanh. 172 00:10:44,018 --> 00:10:47,568 Khe Sanh overlooked Route 9, the East-West highway 173 00:10:47,730 --> 00:10:51,325 that Westmoreland hoped would one day carry American troops 174 00:10:51,442 --> 00:10:55,447 across the border into Laos, where North Vietnamese men 175 00:10:55,572 --> 00:10:59,418 and supplies were streaming south on the Ho Chi Minh Trail. 176 00:11:02,745 --> 00:11:05,749 But the thousands of Marines monitoring the border 177 00:11:05,874 --> 00:11:08,923 would find themselves within range of highly accurate 178 00:11:09,085 --> 00:11:12,680 North Vietnamese artillery and rocket launchers 179 00:11:12,797 --> 00:11:14,595 hidden within the DMZ. 180 00:11:23,641 --> 00:11:24,517 Tell me... 181 00:11:24,642 --> 00:11:25,744 You came here at full strength? 182 00:11:25,768 --> 00:11:27,441 I had 13 men when I came. 183 00:11:27,604 --> 00:11:30,107 And it's four days later now and how many are still here? 184 00:11:30,273 --> 00:11:31,273 Six. 185 00:11:36,571 --> 00:11:40,246 The rifles have been jamming, the mud's been... 186 00:11:40,366 --> 00:11:41,834 it slowed everything down. 187 00:11:41,951 --> 00:11:43,544 And the artillery comes in everywhere. 188 00:11:43,661 --> 00:11:46,084 And, ah, it just gets pretty futile 189 00:11:46,206 --> 00:11:47,458 and frustrating sometimes. 190 00:11:51,586 --> 00:11:54,305 I can't say that I'm scared stiff, but I'm scared. 191 00:11:54,464 --> 00:11:57,513 I mean, after a while, you know it's going to come. 192 00:11:57,634 --> 00:11:58,954 And you can't do nothing about it. 193 00:11:59,052 --> 00:12:00,349 And you just look to God. 194 00:12:00,470 --> 00:12:02,114 # Well, my pad is very messy # 195 00:12:02,138 --> 00:12:03,731 # And there's whiskers on my chin. # 196 00:12:03,848 --> 00:12:06,818 Private First Class John Musgrave 197 00:12:06,935 --> 00:12:09,563 of Fairmount, Missouri, who had volunteered to join 198 00:12:09,687 --> 00:12:11,485 the 3rd Marine Division, 199 00:12:11,606 --> 00:12:15,406 was sent to the battle-scarred countryside around Con Thien, 200 00:12:15,526 --> 00:12:18,905 a few kilometers south of the DMZ. 201 00:12:21,658 --> 00:12:25,333 For the Marines in northern I Corps in the 3rd Marine Division 202 00:12:25,453 --> 00:12:29,048 in the spring and summer of 1967 we called the DMZ 203 00:12:29,165 --> 00:12:30,587 the "Dead Marine Zone." 204 00:12:30,708 --> 00:12:34,508 Musgrave's 1st Battalion had already suffered 205 00:12:34,671 --> 00:12:38,175 so many casualties in a series of bloody sweeps 206 00:12:38,299 --> 00:12:41,894 that it was believed to be a hard-luck outfit. 207 00:12:42,011 --> 00:12:45,515 They were called the "Walking Dead." 208 00:12:45,682 --> 00:12:48,526 .# I'm a man, yes I am, and I can't... # 209 00:12:48,685 --> 00:12:52,360 I joined the Marine Corps to be in the varsity. 210 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:55,905 And I felt like I wasn't varsity unless I was up north 211 00:12:56,025 --> 00:12:57,322 fighting the NVA. 212 00:12:57,443 --> 00:13:00,538 I have never regretted that decision. 213 00:13:00,697 --> 00:13:04,998 There were times when we were under artillery fire, 214 00:13:05,118 --> 00:13:08,713 where I thought, you know, "What-what were you thinking?" 215 00:13:08,830 --> 00:13:14,428 Here it is in a nutshell: if I lived to be 63 years old, 216 00:13:14,544 --> 00:13:16,638 I didn't want to look in the mirror some morning 217 00:13:16,754 --> 00:13:19,154 and have a guy looking back at me that hadn't done everything 218 00:13:19,215 --> 00:13:21,013 for what he believed, 219 00:13:21,134 --> 00:13:24,889 that let somebody else do the harder part. 220 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,570 Every major contact I remember with the NVA was initiated 221 00:13:32,687 --> 00:13:34,189 by them ambushing us. 222 00:13:34,314 --> 00:13:37,614 They wouldn't hit us unless they outnumbered us. 223 00:13:37,734 --> 00:13:39,611 And we were fighting in their yard. 224 00:13:42,697 --> 00:13:44,074 They knew the ground; we didn't. 225 00:13:47,910 --> 00:13:49,833 They were just really good. 226 00:14:08,514 --> 00:14:11,438 The North Vietnamese carried Soviet-made, 227 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:14,438 seemingly indestructible AK-47s. 228 00:14:15,897 --> 00:14:20,778 The Marines had to fight with newly issued M-16 rifles 229 00:14:20,902 --> 00:14:25,078 that had for a time a potentially fatal design flaw: 230 00:14:25,198 --> 00:14:27,917 they needed constant cleaning 231 00:14:28,034 --> 00:14:31,129 and often jammed in the middle of firefights. 232 00:14:31,287 --> 00:14:34,291 Their rifles worked; ours didn't. 233 00:14:34,457 --> 00:14:37,802 The M-16 was a piece of shit. 234 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:39,560 You can't throw your bullets at the enemy 235 00:14:39,629 --> 00:14:40,926 and have them be effective. 236 00:14:41,047 --> 00:14:45,518 And that rifle malfunctioned on us repeatedly. 237 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:14,164 My hatred for them was pure. 238 00:15:14,330 --> 00:15:15,877 Pure. 239 00:15:15,998 --> 00:15:17,875 I hated them so much. 240 00:15:19,252 --> 00:15:20,595 And I was so scared of them. 241 00:15:21,754 --> 00:15:24,007 Boy, I was terrified of them. 242 00:15:24,173 --> 00:15:26,471 And the scareder I got, the more I hated them. 243 00:15:53,536 --> 00:15:56,836 I only killed one human being in Vietnam. 244 00:15:56,956 --> 00:16:00,210 And that was the first man that I ever killed. 245 00:16:00,334 --> 00:16:04,259 And I was sick with guilt about killing that guy 246 00:16:04,380 --> 00:16:06,382 and thinking I'm going to have to do this 247 00:16:06,549 --> 00:16:07,675 for the next 13 months. 248 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:10,223 I'm-I'm going to go crazy. 249 00:16:10,386 --> 00:16:13,139 And I saw a Marine step on a bouncing Betty mine, 250 00:16:13,264 --> 00:16:16,393 and that's when I made my deal with the devil 251 00:16:16,517 --> 00:16:20,238 and that I said, "I will never kill another human being 252 00:16:20,354 --> 00:16:22,573 "as long as I'm in Vietnam. 253 00:16:22,690 --> 00:16:27,787 "However, I will waste as many gooks as I can find. 254 00:16:27,904 --> 00:16:31,249 "I'll wax as many dinks as I can find. 255 00:16:31,407 --> 00:16:34,411 "I'll smoke as many zips as I can find. 256 00:16:34,535 --> 00:16:37,584 But I ain't gonna kill anybody," you know? 257 00:16:37,705 --> 00:16:41,005 Turn the subject into an object. 258 00:16:41,125 --> 00:16:43,093 It's Racism 101. 259 00:16:43,252 --> 00:16:45,380 It turns out to be a very necessary tool 260 00:16:45,505 --> 00:16:48,054 when you have children fighting your wars, 261 00:16:48,174 --> 00:16:50,893 for them to stay sane doing their work. 262 00:16:57,308 --> 00:16:59,857 On one early patrol, Musgrave watched 263 00:16:59,977 --> 00:17:04,608 an American fighter swoop down to drop napalm on enemy troops 264 00:17:04,732 --> 00:17:07,030 hidden behind a hedgerow. 265 00:17:07,151 --> 00:17:10,826 He could hear their AK-47s firing at the plane 266 00:17:10,947 --> 00:17:14,542 until the instant they were engulfed in flames. 267 00:17:14,659 --> 00:17:18,380 "If the enemy is willing to die like that," he thought, 268 00:17:18,496 --> 00:17:21,375 "this is going to be one very long war." 269 00:17:23,918 --> 00:17:26,137 They knew if they would pop the ambush close 270 00:17:26,254 --> 00:17:27,801 and then get amongst you, 271 00:17:27,964 --> 00:17:31,468 we couldn't or would hesitate to call in air on ourselves. 272 00:17:34,637 --> 00:17:38,767 So that... firefights like that we called brawls. 273 00:17:38,891 --> 00:17:40,734 They were very intimate. 274 00:17:40,851 --> 00:17:42,319 And they were very deadly. 275 00:17:42,478 --> 00:17:45,322 And they were absolutely terrifying. 276 00:17:49,402 --> 00:17:53,578 The Marines were spread too thin to hold any of the territory 277 00:17:53,698 --> 00:17:56,167 they fought so hard to take. 278 00:17:56,284 --> 00:18:00,755 Again and again, they were sent out from one stronghold 279 00:18:00,871 --> 00:18:04,876 or another along the DMZ, looking for enemy soldiers. 280 00:18:05,001 --> 00:18:08,676 The disillusionment for me began when I was going back 281 00:18:08,796 --> 00:18:11,845 to fight at places we'd already fought before. 282 00:18:11,966 --> 00:18:15,470 We had fought, captured, and then left 283 00:18:15,595 --> 00:18:17,643 and the NVA came right back. 284 00:18:17,763 --> 00:18:19,891 You don't like getting wounded 285 00:18:20,016 --> 00:18:21,734 in places you've already been before. 286 00:18:24,020 --> 00:18:26,364 War is a real estate business. 287 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:29,324 We're supposed to take real estate away from the enemy 288 00:18:29,442 --> 00:18:33,288 and then deny the enemy access to that real estate. 289 00:18:33,404 --> 00:18:39,582 On the morning of July 2, 1967, the 1st Battalion launched 290 00:18:39,702 --> 00:18:44,082 yet another sweep of the area northeast of Con Thien. 291 00:18:44,206 --> 00:18:47,961 When they reached a crossroads called "The Marketplace," 292 00:18:48,085 --> 00:18:52,431 barely a mile and quarter from their base, they were ambushed. 293 00:18:52,548 --> 00:18:55,927 One company was virtually annihilated. 294 00:18:59,639 --> 00:19:04,395 John Musgrave's company rushed to rescue the survivors, 295 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:07,404 only to be pinned down there as well. 296 00:19:10,232 --> 00:19:14,988 It was one of the worst clays the Marine Corps endured in Vietnam: 297 00:19:15,112 --> 00:19:21,290 53 dead and 190 wounded were carried off the battlefield. 298 00:19:21,410 --> 00:19:25,460 Thirty-four more dead had to be left behind, 299 00:19:25,581 --> 00:19:29,302 and when Marines fought their way back two days later 300 00:19:29,418 --> 00:19:32,262 to retrieve their bodies, they found that a number 301 00:19:32,380 --> 00:19:38,433 had died because their M-16s had jammed as the enemy closed in. 302 00:19:38,552 --> 00:19:41,726 Many had been executed, shot in the face 303 00:19:41,847 --> 00:19:44,600 or back of the head at close range. 304 00:19:44,767 --> 00:19:47,691 Some bodies had been booby-trapped, 305 00:19:47,812 --> 00:19:50,656 others mutilated. 306 00:19:50,773 --> 00:19:53,993 Marine amphibious force headquarters 307 00:19:54,110 --> 00:19:57,865 was so desperate to get North Vietnamese prisoners, 308 00:19:57,988 --> 00:20:01,162 that they offered us three day in-country R&R 309 00:20:01,283 --> 00:20:03,377 if we'd bring a prisoner in. 310 00:20:03,494 --> 00:20:04,837 Yeah, good luck. 311 00:20:04,954 --> 00:20:06,331 You know? 312 00:20:06,455 --> 00:20:08,753 Don't you know who... what we're doing up here? 313 00:20:08,874 --> 00:20:10,547 Do you know who we're fighting? 314 00:20:12,336 --> 00:20:14,839 I want to make this clear, we did not torture prisoners 315 00:20:14,964 --> 00:20:17,843 and we did not mutilate them. 316 00:20:23,389 --> 00:20:26,939 But to be a prisoner you had to make it to the rear, you know. 317 00:20:27,059 --> 00:20:30,359 If he was with... fell into our hands 318 00:20:30,479 --> 00:20:32,356 he was just one sorry fucker. 319 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,578 I don't know how to explain it that it would make sense. 320 00:20:53,753 --> 00:20:54,980 Roxbury, where I grew up, 321 00:20:55,004 --> 00:20:56,677 was the African-American neighborhood, 322 00:20:56,839 --> 00:21:00,639 and South Boston was the Irish-Catholic bastion. 323 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:02,478 You know, there was a lot of hate. 324 00:21:02,595 --> 00:21:06,190 South Boston folks hated us, we hated them. 325 00:21:06,348 --> 00:21:07,565 And ironically, um... 326 00:21:10,269 --> 00:21:11,987 You know, you end up in a war. 327 00:21:13,773 --> 00:21:15,992 And the Vietnamese didn't care 328 00:21:16,108 --> 00:21:17,908 whether you were from Roxbury or South Boston. 329 00:21:17,943 --> 00:21:19,911 They saw you as American. 330 00:21:20,029 --> 00:21:23,249 And they wanted to kill you because you're American. 331 00:21:23,365 --> 00:21:27,711 Private Roger Harris had joined the Marines in part, he said, 332 00:21:27,828 --> 00:21:30,172 because he wanted to be "a gladiator," 333 00:21:30,289 --> 00:21:33,384 a killer of his country's enemies. 334 00:21:33,542 --> 00:21:36,716 On July 28, two weeks after 335 00:21:36,879 --> 00:21:40,884 John Musgrave's badly mangled 1st Battalion was pulled back 336 00:21:41,050 --> 00:21:42,723 to rest and recover, 337 00:21:42,885 --> 00:21:46,935 Roger Harris and the 2nd Battalion moved out of Con Thien 338 00:21:47,056 --> 00:21:50,811 and into the southern half of the Demilitarized Zone itself. 339 00:21:53,020 --> 00:21:54,623 We wanted the North Vietnamese Army 340 00:21:54,647 --> 00:21:56,945 to expose themselves. 341 00:21:57,066 --> 00:21:59,990 So, basically, you put the bait out there, 342 00:22:00,110 --> 00:22:04,411 and then we could call in and rain hell on them. 343 00:22:04,532 --> 00:22:08,833 Roger Harris's battalion advanced into the DMZ 344 00:22:08,953 --> 00:22:13,424 along a rough cart track that led to the Ben Hai River. 345 00:22:13,582 --> 00:22:17,712 But planners had failed to see that a concrete bridge 346 00:22:17,837 --> 00:22:19,714 over an impassable stream 347 00:22:19,839 --> 00:22:24,219 was too narrow and too weak to carry armored vehicles. 348 00:22:24,343 --> 00:22:29,099 Now the Marines had no choice but to violate a cardinal rule 349 00:22:29,223 --> 00:22:30,725 of infantry tactics... 350 00:22:30,850 --> 00:22:35,902 turn around and try to go back the way they had come. 351 00:22:36,021 --> 00:22:39,116 The enemy was waiting. 352 00:22:45,281 --> 00:22:48,125 Massive ambushes and... 353 00:22:49,785 --> 00:22:53,756 ...and, um, a lot of death. 354 00:22:53,873 --> 00:22:55,750 And... 355 00:22:57,293 --> 00:22:58,920 ...craziness. 356 00:22:59,044 --> 00:23:03,845 The Marines were forced to run a bloody gauntlet of mortars, 357 00:23:03,966 --> 00:23:07,812 machine gun fire and rocket-propelled grenades. 358 00:23:07,970 --> 00:23:12,646 I had the utmost respect for the North Vietnamese Army soldiers. 359 00:23:12,766 --> 00:23:18,944 When you see someone jump out and confront a tank, you know, 360 00:23:19,064 --> 00:23:21,158 with a big 50-caliber machine gun on it 361 00:23:21,317 --> 00:23:24,196 and a 90-millimeter cannon on it, 362 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:28,496 and an individual takes on the tank, 363 00:23:28,657 --> 00:23:30,250 I think that says something. 364 00:23:31,911 --> 00:23:34,664 Roger Harris's company held up the rear, 365 00:23:34,830 --> 00:23:38,676 hounded by enemy soldiers on all sides. 366 00:23:41,003 --> 00:23:44,348 The Marines staggered back out of the DMZ 367 00:23:44,506 --> 00:23:47,555 alongside the battered armored vehicles 368 00:23:47,676 --> 00:23:51,476 heaped with dead and wounded Americans. 369 00:23:51,597 --> 00:23:54,476 The battalion suffered 214 casualties. 370 00:23:57,645 --> 00:24:01,024 Wasn't a good day for Marines at all. 371 00:24:01,148 --> 00:24:02,365 A lot of people died. 372 00:24:02,524 --> 00:24:03,764 People got their legs shot off. 373 00:24:03,817 --> 00:24:05,694 People got run over by tanks. 374 00:24:08,364 --> 00:24:11,208 I don't want to talk about it because it's... 375 00:24:14,453 --> 00:24:16,922 it's not a good day, wasn't a good day. 376 00:25:25,816 --> 00:25:29,161 This is "bau cu", the day of voting in Vietnam, 377 00:25:29,278 --> 00:25:32,157 and it's a solemn day in the village of Hung Thao Phu 378 00:25:32,281 --> 00:25:34,909 and in other villages throughout the country. 379 00:25:35,034 --> 00:25:37,457 And these people have dressed up in their Sunday best for it. 380 00:25:40,372 --> 00:25:43,342 South Vietnamese prime minister Nguyen Cao Ky 381 00:25:43,459 --> 00:25:47,430 had crushed his Buddhist opponents in 1966, 382 00:25:47,546 --> 00:25:49,924 but he had been forced by the Americans 383 00:25:50,049 --> 00:25:53,349 and his political rivals to make at least tentative moves 384 00:25:53,469 --> 00:25:57,144 toward democracy... election of a national assembly, 385 00:25:57,306 --> 00:26:00,435 a new constitution, and a promise of elections 386 00:26:00,559 --> 00:26:03,654 for president and vice president. 387 00:26:03,812 --> 00:26:08,568 But when Ky's old adversary Nguyen Van Thieu declared 388 00:26:08,692 --> 00:26:11,491 he wanted to challenge Ky for the top spot, 389 00:26:11,612 --> 00:26:14,661 things in Saigon had threatened to come apart again. 390 00:26:17,159 --> 00:26:19,759 We were watching the rivalry between Thieu and Ky. 391 00:26:19,828 --> 00:26:21,830 And that was a game. 392 00:26:21,997 --> 00:26:24,841 In Vietnam, the country was watching like a... 393 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,753 we were watch... watching a movie. 394 00:26:27,878 --> 00:26:30,051 And Thieu and Ky was watching as to, 395 00:26:30,172 --> 00:26:32,971 not whoever had the support of the people, 396 00:26:33,092 --> 00:26:37,393 but who had the support of the Americans and the White House. 397 00:26:37,513 --> 00:26:40,858 Ellsworth Bunker, the American ambassador, 398 00:26:40,974 --> 00:26:44,478 called both men to his residence and warned that 399 00:26:44,603 --> 00:26:48,358 the United States would not tolerate another power struggle: 400 00:26:48,482 --> 00:26:52,032 Thieu and Ky needed to meet with their fellow generals 401 00:26:52,152 --> 00:26:54,621 and decide who would run for president 402 00:26:54,738 --> 00:26:57,241 and who would be his running mate. 403 00:26:57,366 --> 00:26:59,789 Thieu emerged on top. 404 00:26:59,910 --> 00:27:02,834 He was unassuming and unflappable, 405 00:27:02,955 --> 00:27:05,504 interested largely in accumulating power 406 00:27:05,624 --> 00:27:08,719 and personal wealth and was thought unlikely 407 00:27:08,877 --> 00:27:11,551 ever to embarrass Washington. 408 00:27:11,713 --> 00:27:15,058 Ky would be his vice president. 409 00:27:15,217 --> 00:27:20,144 Together, they won with only 35% of the vote. 410 00:27:20,264 --> 00:27:23,359 No one who had called for an end to the war 411 00:27:23,475 --> 00:27:25,694 had been allowed to run. 412 00:27:25,811 --> 00:27:28,314 Many Buddhists had boycotted the election, 413 00:27:28,438 --> 00:27:33,569 and Viet Cong intimidation had kept many more from the polls. 414 00:27:33,694 --> 00:27:36,618 But the State Department immediately declared 415 00:27:36,738 --> 00:27:39,617 the election an important "step forward." 416 00:27:41,577 --> 00:27:45,047 Some South Vietnamese did believe that a measure 417 00:27:45,164 --> 00:27:48,259 of stability had finally been achieved. 418 00:27:48,417 --> 00:27:51,421 Others were not so sure. 419 00:27:53,005 --> 00:27:57,226 In terms of corruption, yes, they were corrupt. 420 00:27:57,342 --> 00:28:01,939 Both Thieu and Ky, they abused their position. 421 00:28:02,055 --> 00:28:05,901 We pay a very high price for having leaders 422 00:28:06,018 --> 00:28:08,692 like a Ky and Thieu. 423 00:28:08,812 --> 00:28:11,190 And we continue to pay the price. 424 00:28:16,570 --> 00:28:19,369 My father was in the United States Army. 425 00:28:19,489 --> 00:28:22,117 And then when the Air Force came about he switched over 426 00:28:22,242 --> 00:28:24,540 to the Air Force. 427 00:28:24,661 --> 00:28:29,462 I grew up out of the country in desegregated settings. 428 00:28:29,583 --> 00:28:32,427 I was usually the only little black girl in the class. 429 00:28:32,544 --> 00:28:34,512 If you look at my class pictures I look 430 00:28:34,630 --> 00:28:38,225 like the little chocolate chip in the vanilla ice cream. 431 00:28:38,342 --> 00:28:41,266 I was always a good student. 432 00:28:41,386 --> 00:28:44,105 I remember people saying, "Oh, you speak so well." 433 00:28:44,223 --> 00:28:46,146 And the unstated part is "for a black girl," 434 00:28:46,266 --> 00:28:48,940 probably a Negro girl or colored girl, at that point. 435 00:28:49,061 --> 00:28:53,658 Eva Jefferson's father had served a year on airbases 436 00:28:53,815 --> 00:28:57,365 in Vietnam and returned home convinced the United States 437 00:28:57,486 --> 00:28:59,989 had no business being there. 438 00:29:00,155 --> 00:29:03,659 But when his daughter entered Northwestern University 439 00:29:03,784 --> 00:29:08,836 in the Chicago suburb of Evanston in September 1967, 440 00:29:08,956 --> 00:29:13,211 the war was not uppermost in students' minds. 441 00:29:13,335 --> 00:29:16,589 The war was not really an issue. 442 00:29:16,713 --> 00:29:18,511 It's like, "Well, no, the president has 443 00:29:18,674 --> 00:29:20,597 "our best interests at heart. 444 00:29:20,717 --> 00:29:22,515 "He, of course, would only prosecute a war 445 00:29:22,636 --> 00:29:23,979 that made sense." 446 00:29:24,096 --> 00:29:26,849 And I think most of America felt that way. 447 00:29:29,017 --> 00:29:31,019 At the University of Nebraska, 448 00:29:31,186 --> 00:29:34,065 Jack Todd also supported the war. 449 00:29:34,189 --> 00:29:38,535 He had felt so strongly about it in 1966 that he had signed up 450 00:29:38,694 --> 00:29:41,618 for Marine officer training. 451 00:29:41,738 --> 00:29:44,332 I went into the Marine Corps 452 00:29:44,449 --> 00:29:46,702 thinking this was all I wanted to do. 453 00:29:46,868 --> 00:29:48,791 I mean my... my goal was to be commander, 454 00:29:48,912 --> 00:29:50,209 a platoon commander in Vietnam. 455 00:29:51,748 --> 00:29:55,048 But as time went by and the war went on, 456 00:29:55,210 --> 00:29:57,554 Todd and many of his fellow students 457 00:29:57,671 --> 00:29:59,298 began to change their minds. 458 00:30:00,674 --> 00:30:03,052 All young people go through changes. 459 00:30:03,218 --> 00:30:06,017 But we were going through astronomical changes 460 00:30:06,138 --> 00:30:08,357 at such a rapid rate. 461 00:30:10,267 --> 00:30:13,862 All the music, the culture, everything that we listened to, 462 00:30:13,979 --> 00:30:16,073 everything that we thought was transforming 463 00:30:16,189 --> 00:30:19,944 and the core of it all was Vietnam, Vietnam, Vietnam. 464 00:30:20,068 --> 00:30:21,911 It just kept going in the background. 465 00:30:22,070 --> 00:30:23,830 First, it was kind of like a background noise 466 00:30:23,864 --> 00:30:25,707 and then it got to be the elephant in the room. 467 00:30:25,824 --> 00:30:27,747 And then it was the elephant sitting on your head 468 00:30:27,909 --> 00:30:29,502 and we... we couldn't escape this. 469 00:30:29,619 --> 00:30:32,919 Todd attended officer training school 470 00:30:33,081 --> 00:30:35,755 at Camp Upshur in Quantico, Virginia. 471 00:30:35,876 --> 00:30:38,755 But doubts about the war followed him there, too. 472 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:43,693 I guess the emotional things that were happening 473 00:30:43,717 --> 00:30:46,266 on the ground, the photographs that we saw, the news images, 474 00:30:46,386 --> 00:30:49,310 and the fact that there was no discernible progress, 475 00:30:49,431 --> 00:30:52,776 that really started to eat away at what we thought. 476 00:30:52,893 --> 00:30:55,988 In the summer of '67, I was at Camp Upshur, you know, 477 00:30:56,104 --> 00:30:58,482 wanting to go kill Vietnamese people. 478 00:30:58,607 --> 00:31:02,908 And in October, I was completely against the war. 479 00:31:06,239 --> 00:31:08,788 Westmoreland came in last night to me... 480 00:31:08,909 --> 00:31:12,914 And he says that he has concentrated more firepower 481 00:31:13,038 --> 00:31:16,508 and bombing in the last week on the DMZ 482 00:31:16,625 --> 00:31:20,471 and they've concentrated more on us than has ever been 483 00:31:20,587 --> 00:31:22,635 concentrated in any equivalent period 484 00:31:22,798 --> 00:31:24,300 in the history of warfare... 485 00:31:24,424 --> 00:31:25,550 Yeah. 486 00:31:25,675 --> 00:31:26,944 ...much more than was ever poured on 487 00:31:26,968 --> 00:31:28,311 Berlin or Tokyo, 488 00:31:28,428 --> 00:31:32,808 and that his only defense of the DMZ to stop 489 00:31:32,933 --> 00:31:35,812 this aggression up there with the North Vietnamese 490 00:31:35,936 --> 00:31:39,566 trying to come in is bombing their gun positions. 491 00:31:39,689 --> 00:31:41,157 Yeah. 492 00:31:41,274 --> 00:31:43,127 And it would just be suicide if we stopped the bombing 493 00:31:43,151 --> 00:31:45,449 as these idiots talking about. 494 00:31:45,570 --> 00:31:47,197 When you say stop the bombing 495 00:31:47,322 --> 00:31:50,075 you say, "Kill more American Marines." 496 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:51,076 That's all it means. 497 00:31:51,201 --> 00:31:52,453 Yeah. 498 00:31:52,577 --> 00:31:55,797 Now if we stop bombing, without their talking 499 00:31:55,914 --> 00:31:58,667 and without any reciprocity on their part, 500 00:31:58,792 --> 00:32:00,794 it just means we kill more Americans, that's all. 501 00:32:00,919 --> 00:32:01,919 Yeah. 502 00:32:08,969 --> 00:32:12,519 Neither the ongoing bombing of the North, 503 00:32:12,639 --> 00:32:15,984 nor the concentrated bombing around the DMZ, 504 00:32:16,101 --> 00:32:18,024 nor the behind-the-scenes offers 505 00:32:18,145 --> 00:32:20,694 made by President Johnson to stop it 506 00:32:20,856 --> 00:32:23,735 had any discernible effect on Le Duan 507 00:32:23,859 --> 00:32:27,204 and the other men who ran North Vietnam. 508 00:32:27,362 --> 00:32:30,286 But Le Duan, like Lyndon Johnson, 509 00:32:30,407 --> 00:32:32,375 was in trouble that summer. 510 00:32:32,492 --> 00:32:35,371 The war with the Americans had produced little more 511 00:32:35,495 --> 00:32:37,372 than a bloody stalemate. 512 00:32:37,539 --> 00:32:40,463 Some Viet Cong commanders in the South 513 00:32:40,584 --> 00:32:44,885 resented Hanoi's insistence on directing their tactics. 514 00:32:45,046 --> 00:32:49,222 Many North Vietnamese civilians were weary of the war 515 00:32:49,342 --> 00:32:52,221 and of the bombing that had disrupted their lives 516 00:32:52,345 --> 00:32:55,849 and destroyed so much of their infrastructure. 517 00:32:55,974 --> 00:32:58,523 The country's most revered figures, 518 00:32:58,643 --> 00:33:03,069 Ho Chi Minh and Vo Nguyen Giap, were urging patience, 519 00:33:03,190 --> 00:33:07,240 continuing to wage a war of attrition, they still believed, 520 00:33:07,402 --> 00:33:10,451 would pay off in the end. 521 00:33:10,572 --> 00:33:14,042 Hanoi's Soviet and Chinese patrons offered 522 00:33:14,159 --> 00:33:17,038 conflicting advice, as well. 523 00:33:17,162 --> 00:33:21,383 To silence his critics and break the stalemate, 524 00:33:21,500 --> 00:33:23,923 Le Duan began to devise and promote 525 00:33:24,085 --> 00:33:27,430 a new and riskier version of the plan for victory 526 00:33:27,547 --> 00:33:30,972 he had tried in 1964. 527 00:33:31,092 --> 00:33:36,565 He called it the "General Offensive, General Uprising." 528 00:33:36,681 --> 00:33:40,436 North Vietnamese and Viet Cong units would launch 529 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:44,815 scores of coordinated attacks on South Vietnamese cities 530 00:33:44,940 --> 00:33:48,069 and towns and military bases. 531 00:33:48,193 --> 00:33:50,412 That offensive, Le Duan believed, 532 00:33:50,529 --> 00:33:54,033 would ignite a mass civilian uprising. 533 00:33:54,157 --> 00:33:58,628 These simultaneous blows would destroy the Saigon regime 534 00:33:58,745 --> 00:34:02,591 and leave Washington with no choice but to withdraw. 535 00:34:53,842 --> 00:34:55,402 We talk about our own hubris. 536 00:34:55,468 --> 00:34:57,562 There's some hubris on their side as well. 537 00:34:57,679 --> 00:34:59,522 And once they had convinced themselves 538 00:34:59,681 --> 00:35:02,309 that this was going to be a great success, 539 00:35:02,434 --> 00:35:05,404 it is what some wags have called drinking your own bathwater. 540 00:35:06,855 --> 00:35:08,249 They decided it's going to be a victory, 541 00:35:08,273 --> 00:35:10,241 even though there are people in the South saying, 542 00:35:10,358 --> 00:35:11,780 "Hey, this is not a great idea." 543 00:35:11,901 --> 00:35:15,576 But these people are charged with subjectivism 544 00:35:15,697 --> 00:35:18,325 and basically are told to shut up and keep rolling. 545 00:35:18,450 --> 00:35:22,751 Le Duan neutralized those who opposed his plan. 546 00:35:22,871 --> 00:35:26,000 Members of General Giap's staff were arrested. 547 00:35:26,124 --> 00:35:28,673 So was Ho Chi Minh's secretary. 548 00:35:45,435 --> 00:35:50,111 Hundreds of less prominent figures-journalists, students, 549 00:35:50,231 --> 00:35:53,451 even highly decorated heroes of the French War... 550 00:35:53,568 --> 00:35:55,741 were also rounded up. 551 00:35:55,862 --> 00:35:58,661 Many were locked up in the old French prison 552 00:35:58,782 --> 00:36:02,412 that the American POWs also confined there called 553 00:36:02,535 --> 00:36:04,958 the "Hanoi Hilton." 554 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:08,801 The date eventually chosen for the attack would be 555 00:36:08,917 --> 00:36:12,467 January 31, 1968, 556 00:36:12,587 --> 00:36:16,558 the first day of the Vietnamese Lunar New Year celebration, 557 00:36:16,675 --> 00:36:19,519 known as Tet. 558 00:36:19,636 --> 00:36:23,607 Hundreds, then thousands, of North Vietnamese regulars 559 00:36:23,723 --> 00:36:26,772 in civilian clothes began slipping southward 560 00:36:26,935 --> 00:36:31,532 to join tens of thousands of Viet Cong already in place. 561 00:37:42,635 --> 00:37:44,933 In preparation for the coming offensive, 562 00:37:45,054 --> 00:37:47,728 the North Vietnamese hoped to lure American 563 00:37:47,849 --> 00:37:51,023 and South Vietnamese forces away from cities 564 00:37:51,144 --> 00:37:53,363 and big military bases. 565 00:37:53,521 --> 00:37:56,900 To do that, they would mount a series of assaults 566 00:37:57,025 --> 00:38:02,498 on remote outposts near Cambodia, Laos, and the DMZ. 567 00:38:02,614 --> 00:38:07,586 These preliminary attacks became known as the "Border Battles." 568 00:38:07,702 --> 00:38:11,047 Con Thien would be the first. 569 00:38:14,334 --> 00:38:16,507 In September and October, 570 00:38:16,628 --> 00:38:19,598 John Musgrave's and Roger Harris's outfits 571 00:38:19,714 --> 00:38:22,183 took turns defending Con Thien 572 00:38:22,300 --> 00:38:26,180 as the North Vietnamese tightened the noose around them. 573 00:38:26,304 --> 00:38:29,899 The only way in or out was by helicopter. 574 00:38:32,227 --> 00:38:36,573 Con Thien in Vietnamese means "Hill of Angels." 575 00:38:38,733 --> 00:38:42,237 Time at Con Thien was time in the barrel. 576 00:38:46,658 --> 00:38:49,662 We were the fish, they had the shotguns, 577 00:38:49,786 --> 00:38:51,834 they stuck in the barrel and blasted away. 578 00:38:51,955 --> 00:38:54,629 And they were gonna hit something every shot. 579 00:38:54,749 --> 00:38:57,753 Because Con Thien was such a small area, 580 00:38:57,877 --> 00:38:59,754 and they pounded it with that artillery 581 00:38:59,921 --> 00:39:01,798 from North Vietnam, they couldn't miss. 582 00:39:08,805 --> 00:39:12,981 I've never been, uh, as afraid. 583 00:39:13,101 --> 00:39:15,320 In fact that's why I'm not afraid of anything now. 584 00:39:15,436 --> 00:39:17,780 I mean... 585 00:39:17,939 --> 00:39:19,236 there's nothing you can do. 586 00:39:19,357 --> 00:39:22,987 You just listen to the sounds of the rockets coming over. 587 00:39:23,111 --> 00:39:26,615 And you just pray that they don't land on you. 588 00:39:26,781 --> 00:39:29,375 The big question really seems to be whether or not 589 00:39:29,492 --> 00:39:32,746 the North Vietnamese intend to overrun Con Thien. 590 00:39:32,871 --> 00:39:35,670 The Marines have tripled the number of troops 591 00:39:35,790 --> 00:39:37,133 guarding the outpost, 592 00:39:37,250 --> 00:39:38,811 and they've moved up more battalions to be ready 593 00:39:38,835 --> 00:39:40,382 to reinforce. 594 00:39:40,503 --> 00:39:42,426 I sat in water. 595 00:39:42,547 --> 00:39:44,299 I slept in water. 596 00:39:44,465 --> 00:39:48,140 I ate in water, because our holes were full. 597 00:39:48,261 --> 00:39:50,389 I mean a flooded foxhole could drown a wounded man. 598 00:39:50,513 --> 00:39:53,107 Spend your clay filling up sand bags, 599 00:39:53,224 --> 00:39:56,854 trying to create barriers that you just put another layer on, 600 00:39:56,978 --> 00:39:58,651 put another layer on. 601 00:39:58,771 --> 00:40:03,197 A lot of mud, blood, uh... 602 00:40:03,318 --> 00:40:04,490 and artillery. 603 00:40:05,695 --> 00:40:06,992 It's red clay up there. 604 00:40:07,113 --> 00:40:09,707 And it's real sticky and it could just grab onto you 605 00:40:09,824 --> 00:40:11,622 and pull your boots off. 606 00:40:11,743 --> 00:40:13,086 It's hard to run in that stuff. 607 00:40:13,202 --> 00:40:14,829 And running, when you're at a place 608 00:40:14,954 --> 00:40:16,557 where they're firing heavy artillery at you, 609 00:40:16,581 --> 00:40:17,753 running's pretty important. 610 00:40:19,542 --> 00:40:21,636 During the siege in the fall of 1967, 611 00:40:21,753 --> 00:40:23,847 we were getting newspaper articles in the mail 612 00:40:24,005 --> 00:40:27,305 from our families and we were being called the Alamo. 613 00:40:27,425 --> 00:40:30,269 You know, hey, we knew what the Alamo was. 614 00:40:30,386 --> 00:40:32,434 We knew what happened there. 615 00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,359 Like almost like every hour there'd be a barrage. 616 00:40:45,526 --> 00:40:49,156 People get blown to bits, literally blown to bits. 617 00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,955 You find a... a boot with a leg in it, right. 618 00:40:53,076 --> 00:40:55,499 And so is the leg white or black? 619 00:40:55,620 --> 00:40:57,543 So who... who was the white Marine that was here? 620 00:40:57,664 --> 00:40:58,711 Who was the black? 621 00:40:58,831 --> 00:41:00,833 So then you try to remember and you tag it 622 00:41:00,959 --> 00:41:02,302 and put that in the green bag. 623 00:41:02,418 --> 00:41:05,046 And that's what goes back, you know, 624 00:41:05,213 --> 00:41:07,432 as Marine Lance Corporal so and so. 625 00:41:07,548 --> 00:41:10,552 And so, but sometimes you're not even sure because the body 626 00:41:10,718 --> 00:41:12,758 has literally been blown to bits, and the only thing 627 00:41:12,804 --> 00:41:15,273 that's left is a foot or a piece of an arm. 628 00:41:15,390 --> 00:41:19,941 I carried a wallet calendar from Clifford Forlow Insurance. 629 00:41:20,061 --> 00:41:22,189 He was my dad's insurance agent. 630 00:41:22,313 --> 00:41:25,817 And I marked off each of the days religiously. 631 00:41:25,942 --> 00:41:30,539 And then in October, we went up to Con Thien again. 632 00:41:30,655 --> 00:41:35,502 I just stopped, because I thought, "This is pointless. 633 00:41:35,618 --> 00:41:37,746 "I'm not getting... I'm not gonna go home. 634 00:41:37,870 --> 00:41:39,247 "I'm not gonna make it home. 635 00:41:39,372 --> 00:41:41,249 What... you know, what's the point?" 636 00:41:41,416 --> 00:41:43,259 So I just quit marking them off. 637 00:41:44,919 --> 00:41:47,200 I had the opportunity to call my mother, you know. 638 00:41:47,255 --> 00:41:49,804 And I was telling my mother what was happening over there 639 00:41:49,924 --> 00:41:52,052 and I was telling her how she shouldn't believe 640 00:41:52,176 --> 00:41:55,931 what she sees in the newspaper and-and sees on television 641 00:41:56,097 --> 00:41:58,270 because we're losing the war. 642 00:41:58,391 --> 00:42:00,894 And I said, "You'll probably never see me again 643 00:42:01,019 --> 00:42:04,193 "because we're the most northern outpost that the Marines have, 644 00:42:04,313 --> 00:42:05,690 "you know. 645 00:42:05,815 --> 00:42:08,015 "We could literally could look right into North Vietnam. 646 00:42:08,067 --> 00:42:10,490 We could see the sparks when the guns fired on us." 647 00:42:10,611 --> 00:42:13,785 And I said, "And everybody in my unit is dying, you know. 648 00:42:13,948 --> 00:42:15,791 And I probably won't be coming back." 649 00:42:15,908 --> 00:42:17,956 And my mother said, "No, you're coming back." 650 00:42:18,119 --> 00:42:20,918 She said, "I talk to God every day and you're special. 651 00:42:21,039 --> 00:42:23,258 You're coming back." 652 00:42:23,374 --> 00:42:25,718 And I said, "Ma, everybody's mother thinks that 653 00:42:25,835 --> 00:42:27,428 "they're special, you know. 654 00:42:27,545 --> 00:42:29,468 I'm putting pieces of special people in bags." 655 00:42:31,632 --> 00:42:33,392 And I was feeling that my mother's in denial. 656 00:42:33,509 --> 00:42:35,807 She just doesn't want to face the fact that her only son 657 00:42:35,928 --> 00:42:37,805 is gonna die in Vietnam. 658 00:42:37,972 --> 00:42:39,440 And I said, "Ma, this isn't a joke." 659 00:42:39,557 --> 00:42:41,243 I said, "Everybody's dying over here, you know. 660 00:42:41,267 --> 00:42:42,314 Everybody's dying." 661 00:42:42,435 --> 00:42:43,937 And she said, "You're not gonna die. 662 00:42:44,062 --> 00:42:45,484 You're not gonna die." 663 00:42:45,646 --> 00:42:47,819 And, uh, the last thing she said to me was, 664 00:42:47,982 --> 00:42:49,984 "God has a plan for you." 665 00:42:50,151 --> 00:42:51,243 And I said, "Yeah, right." 666 00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:52,360 And I hung up. 667 00:42:57,241 --> 00:42:59,960 Mr. Stout, during what period of time were you in Vietnam? 668 00:43:00,078 --> 00:43:03,173 I was in Vietnam from September of 1966 669 00:43:03,289 --> 00:43:05,462 to September of 1967, one year. 670 00:43:05,583 --> 00:43:06,926 And with what unit? 671 00:43:07,043 --> 00:43:08,841 With the 1st Brigade of the 101st Airborne. 672 00:43:08,961 --> 00:43:11,305 During the time that you were in Vietnam, 673 00:43:11,422 --> 00:43:13,345 did you personally witness any atrocities 674 00:43:13,508 --> 00:43:15,385 on the part of American troops? 675 00:43:15,510 --> 00:43:16,510 Yes, I did. 676 00:43:18,096 --> 00:43:21,475 Dennis Stout from Phoenix, Arizona, had enlisted 677 00:43:21,599 --> 00:43:26,355 in the Army at 20, and served nine months in combat. 678 00:43:26,521 --> 00:43:29,991 Wounded three times, he became an Army reporter 679 00:43:30,108 --> 00:43:35,865 covering the 327th Regiment of the 101st Airborne. 680 00:43:35,988 --> 00:43:40,289 He would spend most of his time with a unique commando platoon 681 00:43:40,409 --> 00:43:41,831 called "Tiger Force"... 682 00:43:41,953 --> 00:43:45,207 small, handpicked teams, capable of remaining 683 00:43:45,373 --> 00:43:48,047 in the jungle for weeks at a time, 684 00:43:48,209 --> 00:43:50,803 fast-moving and deadly, 685 00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:54,675 intended to "out-guerrilla the guerrillas." 686 00:43:56,050 --> 00:43:58,724 Tiger Force fought in six different provinces, 687 00:43:58,845 --> 00:44:01,849 repeatedly suffering heavy losses. 688 00:44:05,101 --> 00:44:08,355 If you've lost your best friend and you want revenge, 689 00:44:08,479 --> 00:44:11,699 it's the officers who say, "No, you can't do that." 690 00:44:11,816 --> 00:44:14,865 And if you do it, then there's consequences. 691 00:44:14,986 --> 00:44:17,705 But when the officers, and it includes the platoon leader 692 00:44:17,822 --> 00:44:20,746 and the battalion commander, are telling you that this is 693 00:44:20,867 --> 00:44:25,464 what you're supposed to do, then it gets completely out of hand. 694 00:44:25,580 --> 00:44:29,585 Some at MACV worried that such a freewheeling outfit, 695 00:44:29,709 --> 00:44:33,430 operating on its own, would be difficult to control. 696 00:44:35,256 --> 00:44:38,760 But General Westmoreland and commanders in the field 697 00:44:38,926 --> 00:44:43,432 admired Tiger Force for its reliable ferocity. 698 00:44:43,556 --> 00:44:47,652 In the summer of 1967, Tiger Force was sent 699 00:44:47,768 --> 00:44:50,271 to the fertile Song Ve Valley. 700 00:44:50,396 --> 00:44:53,275 The entire population had already been herded 701 00:44:53,441 --> 00:44:57,947 from their homes and crowded into a refugee camp. 702 00:44:58,112 --> 00:45:01,241 But some had come back to resume the farming 703 00:45:01,365 --> 00:45:03,618 they had always done. 704 00:45:05,119 --> 00:45:08,293 The valley had officially been declared a free-fire zone, 705 00:45:08,414 --> 00:45:12,464 and Tiger Force's officers took that literally. 706 00:45:12,627 --> 00:45:16,382 "There are no friendlies," one lieutenant told his men. 707 00:45:16,505 --> 00:45:19,304 "Shoot anything that moves." 708 00:45:22,887 --> 00:45:25,811 Over a seven-month period, they killed scores 709 00:45:25,973 --> 00:45:28,442 of unarmed civilians. 710 00:45:28,559 --> 00:45:32,029 Among their victims were two blind brothers; 711 00:45:32,146 --> 00:45:36,652 an elderly Buddhist monk; women, children, and old people 712 00:45:36,776 --> 00:45:38,904 hiding in underground shelters; 713 00:45:39,028 --> 00:45:42,282 and three farmers trying to plant rice. 714 00:45:42,406 --> 00:45:46,832 All were reported as "enemy... killed in action." 715 00:45:49,747 --> 00:45:53,672 These atrocities were committed by soldiers 716 00:45:53,793 --> 00:45:56,012 of units I was assigned to as a reporter 717 00:45:56,170 --> 00:45:57,968 for the Army newspapers, such as... 718 00:45:58,089 --> 00:46:01,468 Tiger Force was not the only platoon 719 00:46:01,592 --> 00:46:05,142 Dennis Stout covered that crossed the line. 720 00:46:05,263 --> 00:46:08,312 One such incident was the rape and killing 721 00:46:08,432 --> 00:46:10,184 of a Vietnamese girl. 722 00:46:10,351 --> 00:46:15,027 She was captured, kept for interrogation. 723 00:46:15,189 --> 00:46:18,033 Over a two-day period, she was raped, then, 724 00:46:18,150 --> 00:46:19,962 on the morning of the third day, she was killed. 725 00:46:19,986 --> 00:46:23,365 Was she raped by more than one person? 726 00:46:23,489 --> 00:46:27,039 Yes, all but the medic and myself, 727 00:46:27,159 --> 00:46:28,879 and possibly one other man from the platoon. 728 00:46:29,036 --> 00:46:30,036 Did you protest? 729 00:46:30,121 --> 00:46:32,169 Did you try in any way to have them stopped? 730 00:46:32,290 --> 00:46:35,544 Yes. After the rape incident, I complained 731 00:46:35,668 --> 00:46:40,048 to the battalion sergeant major, and his response was that 732 00:46:40,172 --> 00:46:42,391 this type of thing happens in all wars, 733 00:46:42,550 --> 00:46:45,895 and that I was not to mention it; it was a common occurrence. 734 00:46:46,012 --> 00:46:50,267 Then later, I went to the chaplain, told him about it, 735 00:46:50,391 --> 00:46:52,610 he made an investigation himself, 736 00:46:52,727 --> 00:46:54,980 found that this was true, went with me 737 00:46:55,104 --> 00:46:56,526 to the sergeant major. 738 00:46:56,647 --> 00:47:00,743 The sergeant major then said that... 739 00:47:00,860 --> 00:47:02,713 well, he told the chaplain to stick to religion, 740 00:47:02,737 --> 00:47:06,241 sent him away, and then he told me to keep quiet, 741 00:47:06,407 --> 00:47:10,037 that I did not have to return from the next operation. 742 00:47:11,579 --> 00:47:14,583 Years later, another soldier came forward 743 00:47:14,707 --> 00:47:17,381 with more allegations of war crimes, 744 00:47:17,501 --> 00:47:20,926 and an Army investigation would find probable cause 745 00:47:21,088 --> 00:47:25,935 to try 18 members of Tiger Force for murder or assault. 746 00:47:27,094 --> 00:47:29,563 But no charges were ever brought. 747 00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:32,775 The official records were buried in the archives. 748 00:47:34,769 --> 00:47:36,612 They should have all gone to jail. 749 00:47:36,771 --> 00:47:38,193 They were guilty of murder. 750 00:47:38,314 --> 00:47:39,657 Period. 751 00:47:39,774 --> 00:47:43,199 At the same time, I felt like that incident, 752 00:47:43,319 --> 00:47:46,539 which I think was an aberration, not the norm, 753 00:47:46,655 --> 00:47:49,249 tarred all veterans, and there are hundreds of thousands 754 00:47:49,367 --> 00:47:51,119 of veterans who went and did their duty, 755 00:47:51,243 --> 00:47:53,621 and as honorable as they possibly could, 756 00:47:53,788 --> 00:47:55,506 and they're tarred with the same brush. 757 00:47:57,625 --> 00:48:00,879 One of the things that I learned in the war is that 758 00:48:01,003 --> 00:48:05,554 we're not the top species on the planet because we're nice. 759 00:48:05,674 --> 00:48:08,848 We are a very aggressive species. 760 00:48:08,969 --> 00:48:10,642 It is in us. 761 00:48:10,763 --> 00:48:14,063 And people talk a lot about how, "Well, the military turns 762 00:48:14,183 --> 00:48:17,153 kids into killing machines" and stuff. 763 00:48:18,771 --> 00:48:21,490 And I'll always argue that it's just finishing school. 764 00:48:21,607 --> 00:48:26,204 What we do with civilization is that we learn to inhibit 765 00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:29,665 and rope in these aggressive tendencies. 766 00:48:29,782 --> 00:48:32,080 And we have to recognize them. 767 00:48:32,201 --> 00:48:36,001 I worry about a whole country that doesn't recognize it. 768 00:48:36,122 --> 00:48:38,058 'Cause you think of how many times we get ourselves 769 00:48:38,082 --> 00:48:41,427 in scrapes as a nation because we're always the good guys. 770 00:48:41,544 --> 00:48:44,388 Sometimes, I think if we thought that we weren't always 771 00:48:44,505 --> 00:48:46,883 the good guys, we might actually get in less wars. 772 00:48:51,345 --> 00:48:52,597 Mr. Rubin, 773 00:48:52,721 --> 00:48:55,440 how do you realistically expect to shut down the Pentagon? 774 00:48:55,558 --> 00:48:58,653 The Pentagon represents the murder of people 775 00:48:58,769 --> 00:49:00,021 throughout the world. 776 00:49:00,146 --> 00:49:02,194 And the American people have no control 777 00:49:02,314 --> 00:49:03,691 of what their government's doing. 778 00:49:03,816 --> 00:49:07,241 And so we're going to go there in the scores of thousands, 779 00:49:07,361 --> 00:49:10,410 and block doors and fill hallways, 780 00:49:10,531 --> 00:49:12,533 so the work of the Pentagon stops. 781 00:49:12,700 --> 00:49:14,748 Because the work of the Pentagon should stop. 782 00:49:14,869 --> 00:49:17,150 The only thing to do with the Pentagon is to shut it down. 783 00:49:19,874 --> 00:49:22,548 # It was back in 1942 # 784 00:49:22,668 --> 00:49:24,887 # I was a member of a good platoon # 785 00:49:25,045 --> 00:49:28,219 # We were on maneuvers in Louisiana # 786 00:49:28,382 --> 00:49:30,225 # One night by the light of the moon # 787 00:49:30,384 --> 00:49:33,888 # The captain told us to ford a river # 788 00:49:34,054 --> 00:49:36,603 # That's how it all begun # 789 00:49:36,724 --> 00:49:39,147 # We were knee deep in the Big Muddy # 790 00:49:39,268 --> 00:49:42,021 # The big fool says to push on # 791 00:49:42,146 --> 00:49:45,776 There was a major demonstration either in New York 792 00:49:45,900 --> 00:49:50,497 or in Washington every fall and every spring. 793 00:49:50,613 --> 00:49:53,617 We decided that we would go to the demonstration 794 00:49:53,741 --> 00:49:57,291 in Washington at the Lincoln Memorial in the fall of '67, 795 00:49:57,411 --> 00:50:00,005 but we would take as many people out of that demonstration 796 00:50:00,122 --> 00:50:03,922 as we could and lead them to the Pentagon. 797 00:50:04,043 --> 00:50:08,469 And at the Pentagon, try to do something more militant 798 00:50:08,589 --> 00:50:12,219 than simply stand around and make speeches opposing the war, 799 00:50:12,343 --> 00:50:15,222 which is what these demonstrations had become. 800 00:50:15,346 --> 00:50:16,823 # No man will be able to swim. # 801 00:50:16,847 --> 00:50:20,101 And when the time came to lead people away 802 00:50:20,267 --> 00:50:22,440 from the Lincoln Memorial toward the Pentagon, 803 00:50:22,561 --> 00:50:25,110 50,000 people marched. 804 00:50:25,231 --> 00:50:27,484 # Men, follow me, I'll lead on # 805 00:50:27,608 --> 00:50:30,532 # We were neck deep in the Big Muddy # 806 00:50:30,653 --> 00:50:33,623 # The big fool says to push on. # 807 00:50:33,781 --> 00:50:37,536 Bill Zimmerman, now an assistant professor of psychology 808 00:50:37,660 --> 00:50:40,288 at Brooklyn College, had been against the war 809 00:50:40,412 --> 00:50:42,210 since the beginning. 810 00:50:42,331 --> 00:50:46,802 Then we found when we got there concentric defense perimeters 811 00:50:46,961 --> 00:50:50,010 that had been set up around the Pentagon to keep us 812 00:50:50,130 --> 00:50:51,723 at a distance from the building. 813 00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:56,266 We pushed against them, we tore down their fences. 814 00:50:56,387 --> 00:50:58,230 # With the captain dead and gone # 815 00:50:58,347 --> 00:51:00,033 # We stripped and dived and found his body. # 816 00:51:00,057 --> 00:51:02,776 I was working that weekend day. 817 00:51:02,893 --> 00:51:07,148 The secretaries who were working in my area were frightened 818 00:51:07,273 --> 00:51:11,779 to hell what these Vietnam protesters would do. 819 00:51:11,902 --> 00:51:13,296 They thought they were going to come into the building 820 00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:14,367 and rape them. 821 00:51:14,488 --> 00:51:16,832 Some of them actually came over the walls. 822 00:51:16,991 --> 00:51:18,868 # The big fool said to push on. # 823 00:51:18,993 --> 00:51:22,372 It was a sense of revolution. 824 00:51:23,622 --> 00:51:25,420 # Waist deep in the Big Muddy # 825 00:51:25,541 --> 00:51:27,418 # The big fool says to push on # 826 00:51:27,543 --> 00:51:30,342 # Waist deep in the Big Muddy # 827 00:51:30,504 --> 00:51:32,506 # The big fool says to push on. # 828 00:51:32,631 --> 00:51:36,852 God knows what we were going to do when we got in the building. 829 00:51:36,969 --> 00:51:38,846 Some people, the hippies, 830 00:51:39,013 --> 00:51:40,813 said they were going to levitate the building. 831 00:51:40,931 --> 00:51:44,276 Other people wanted to commit vandalism in the building. 832 00:51:44,393 --> 00:51:46,816 Other people wanted to distribute antiwar literature 833 00:51:46,937 --> 00:51:49,190 in the building, talk to people. 834 00:51:49,315 --> 00:51:52,694 Just the idea of getting into the headquarters 835 00:51:52,818 --> 00:51:54,866 of the United States military... 836 00:51:56,697 --> 00:51:59,951 It was the first time that antiwar demonstrators 837 00:52:00,075 --> 00:52:04,421 had confronted active-duty military personnel. 838 00:52:04,538 --> 00:52:07,132 We didn't consider them the enemy. 839 00:52:07,249 --> 00:52:10,719 We considered them victims of the war. 840 00:52:10,836 --> 00:52:15,842 But we began to see our own government as the enemy. 841 00:52:15,966 --> 00:52:20,221 President Johnson believed that international communism 842 00:52:20,346 --> 00:52:22,815 was somehow behind the demonstration. 843 00:52:22,931 --> 00:52:26,276 He had directed the CIA to come up with the evidence, 844 00:52:26,393 --> 00:52:30,148 and was furious when it found none. 845 00:52:32,441 --> 00:52:33,317 Mr. President? 846 00:52:33,442 --> 00:52:34,318 Yes. 847 00:52:34,443 --> 00:52:35,319 This is General Eisenhower. 848 00:52:35,444 --> 00:52:36,644 How've you been, Mr. President? 849 00:52:36,695 --> 00:52:39,574 I'm doing fine under the circumstances. 850 00:52:39,740 --> 00:52:42,334 But we just had hell, and these college students, 851 00:52:42,451 --> 00:52:44,294 I've had Hoover in after them. 852 00:52:44,411 --> 00:52:47,915 They came marched here, and we arrested 600 of them, 853 00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:51,089 and we gave 29 of them pretty tough times. 854 00:52:51,251 --> 00:52:54,551 We found most of them really were mentally diseased. 855 00:52:54,672 --> 00:52:58,722 Hoover's taken 256 that turned in supposedly their draft cards. 856 00:52:58,842 --> 00:53:01,095 So, you're dealing with mental problems, 857 00:53:01,261 --> 00:53:03,355 I think that we talk too damn much 858 00:53:03,472 --> 00:53:05,645 about civil liberties and constitutional rights 859 00:53:05,766 --> 00:53:07,234 of the individual and not enough 860 00:53:07,351 --> 00:53:08,773 about the rights of the masses. 861 00:53:08,936 --> 00:53:10,246 That's why we have it. 862 00:53:10,270 --> 00:53:12,238 We have freely elected people and we've got to 863 00:53:12,356 --> 00:53:13,733 stand behind them. 864 00:53:13,857 --> 00:53:16,235 I think your government's in trouble, General. 865 00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:18,203 I think it's in... I don't want to say this. 866 00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:19,993 But I think we're in more danger 867 00:53:20,114 --> 00:53:21,991 from these left-wing influences now 868 00:53:22,116 --> 00:53:24,960 than we've ever been in 37 years I've been here. 869 00:53:25,119 --> 00:53:28,123 And they're working in my party from within. 870 00:53:28,247 --> 00:53:30,796 And Bobby thinks he's going to get the nomination. 871 00:53:30,916 --> 00:53:35,137 Allard Lowenstein, a 38-year-old attorney from New York, 872 00:53:35,254 --> 00:53:38,258 shared the antiwar fervor of the protestors, 873 00:53:38,382 --> 00:53:40,134 but he believed the most effective way 874 00:53:40,300 --> 00:53:43,975 to end the fighting was to work within the political system, 875 00:53:44,138 --> 00:53:45,981 not outside it. 876 00:53:46,098 --> 00:53:48,817 The answer, he said, was to stop Lyndon Johnson 877 00:53:48,934 --> 00:53:52,484 from getting a second full term as president. 878 00:53:52,604 --> 00:53:56,734 He had traveled the country all year in search of someone 879 00:53:56,859 --> 00:53:59,487 willing to challenge the president in the upcoming 880 00:53:59,611 --> 00:54:01,454 Democratic primaries. 881 00:54:01,572 --> 00:54:04,746 He asked Senator Robert Kennedy of New York, 882 00:54:04,867 --> 00:54:07,837 who had begun to criticize the Johnson administration 883 00:54:07,995 --> 00:54:09,338 over the war. 884 00:54:09,496 --> 00:54:12,750 He asked Lieutenant General James Gavin. 885 00:54:12,875 --> 00:54:16,800 He asked Senator George McGovern of South Dakota. 886 00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:19,014 They all turned him down. 887 00:54:19,173 --> 00:54:22,768 Lowenstein kept looking. 888 00:54:27,806 --> 00:54:32,858 At Fort Sill, Oklahoma, on November 17, 1967, 889 00:54:33,020 --> 00:54:36,194 friends and family of a fallen soldier gathered 890 00:54:36,356 --> 00:54:39,781 for a funeral, one of five military funerals 891 00:54:39,902 --> 00:54:42,280 held there that month. 892 00:54:42,404 --> 00:54:47,205 First Sergeant Pascal Cleatus Poolaw had been killed 893 00:54:47,326 --> 00:54:49,829 as he tried to drag one of his wounded men 894 00:54:49,953 --> 00:54:54,709 off the battlefield near the village of Loc Ninh. 895 00:54:54,833 --> 00:54:59,930 He was a remarkable soldier, had been awarded one Silver Star 896 00:55:00,047 --> 00:55:05,429 in World War II, two more in Korea, and was awarded a fourth, 897 00:55:05,552 --> 00:55:09,773 posthumously, for his gallantry in Vietnam. 898 00:55:09,890 --> 00:55:12,939 He was a Kiowa Indian. 899 00:55:13,060 --> 00:55:15,859 He and three of his sons were among 900 00:55:15,979 --> 00:55:20,985 the 42,000 Native Americans who would serve in Vietnam, 901 00:55:21,109 --> 00:55:24,784 the highest per capita service rate of any ethnic group 902 00:55:24,905 --> 00:55:27,078 in the United States. 903 00:55:27,199 --> 00:55:32,080 Pascal Poolaw's widow spoke at the ceremony. 904 00:55:32,246 --> 00:55:35,841 "He has followed the trail of the great chiefs," she said. 905 00:55:35,958 --> 00:55:41,135 "His people hold him in honor and highest esteem. 906 00:55:41,255 --> 00:55:45,431 "He has given his life for the people and the country 907 00:55:45,592 --> 00:55:49,768 he loved so much." 908 00:55:54,601 --> 00:55:55,853 # When the truth is found # 909 00:55:55,978 --> 00:55:59,983 # To be hes # 910 00:56:00,107 --> 00:56:02,860 # And all the joy # 911 00:56:02,985 --> 00:56:07,286 # Within you dies # 912 00:56:07,447 --> 00:56:09,791 # Don't you want somebody to love? # 913 00:56:09,908 --> 00:56:13,378 # Don't you need somebody to love? # 914 00:56:13,495 --> 00:56:17,090 # Wouldn't you love somebody to love? # 915 00:56:17,207 --> 00:56:21,553 # You better find somebody to love # 916 00:56:21,670 --> 00:56:23,468 # Love. # 917 00:56:28,302 --> 00:56:31,181 I didn't hear the word "hippie" until I was at Con Thien 918 00:56:31,305 --> 00:56:32,740 and we got a Playboy, somebody got a Playboy in the mail, 919 00:56:32,764 --> 00:56:35,643 which was obviously very important to us. 920 00:56:35,767 --> 00:56:37,815 And there was an article on Haight-Ashbury 921 00:56:37,978 --> 00:56:39,538 and pictures of the girls running around 922 00:56:39,646 --> 00:56:41,239 without their tops, you know, free love. 923 00:56:41,356 --> 00:56:42,733 And they were hippies. 924 00:56:42,858 --> 00:56:45,327 And we thought it was "hip pie" cause it had two Ps. 925 00:56:45,485 --> 00:56:47,283 You know, "Hey, I'm gonna go home 926 00:56:47,404 --> 00:56:48,701 "and be one of these hip pies 927 00:56:48,822 --> 00:56:50,422 "because the girls don't wear no clothes. 928 00:56:50,449 --> 00:56:52,827 You know, and they'll go to bed with anybody." 929 00:56:52,951 --> 00:56:54,168 You know, even I could score. 930 00:56:54,328 --> 00:56:58,208 But the only information I had of the peace movement 931 00:56:58,332 --> 00:56:59,959 came from Stars and Stripes. 932 00:57:00,083 --> 00:57:03,553 And that wasn't a real objective newspaper. 933 00:57:03,670 --> 00:57:06,014 And so I hated them 934 00:57:06,131 --> 00:57:08,008 before I ever even knew anything about them. 935 00:57:14,348 --> 00:57:18,353 The monsoon rains continued to make life miserable 936 00:57:18,477 --> 00:57:21,856 for John Musgrave and the other Marines at Con Thien. 937 00:57:21,980 --> 00:57:25,951 But by early November, the worst of the shelling had ended. 938 00:57:26,068 --> 00:57:29,538 American airstrikes, artillery, and Navy fire 939 00:57:29,696 --> 00:57:32,950 had taken a fearful toll on the besieging enemy. 940 00:57:34,826 --> 00:57:40,253 Before dawn on November 7, two companies of Musgrave's outfit 941 00:57:40,374 --> 00:57:43,093 were sent half a mile into the countryside 942 00:57:43,210 --> 00:57:46,555 northwest of the base to sweep the area again. 943 00:57:48,465 --> 00:57:52,060 We got into an area that was old hedgerows 944 00:57:52,219 --> 00:57:54,267 that's grown over with jungle. 945 00:57:54,388 --> 00:57:56,732 Very difficult to see very far. 946 00:57:56,890 --> 00:57:59,894 In the clear area, we had three NVA show themselves 947 00:58:00,060 --> 00:58:03,439 and start just spraying 30 rounds out of their AKs 948 00:58:03,563 --> 00:58:04,564 and then booking. 949 00:58:05,899 --> 00:58:09,870 The company commander himself said, "I want their bodies. 950 00:58:09,987 --> 00:58:11,409 Bring me their bodies." 951 00:58:11,530 --> 00:58:14,750 Everything's about body count, right? 952 00:58:14,908 --> 00:58:17,878 We said, "Man, this is as old as Custer. 953 00:58:17,995 --> 00:58:20,373 "These guys are showing themselves to draw us 954 00:58:20,497 --> 00:58:21,589 "into an ambush. 955 00:58:21,748 --> 00:58:24,251 "Lieutenant, don't do this," you know. 956 00:58:24,376 --> 00:58:27,926 "Please, these guys are bait." 957 00:58:28,088 --> 00:58:30,261 Well, the skipper says, "We got to go. 958 00:58:30,382 --> 00:58:32,384 We got to go." 959 00:58:32,509 --> 00:58:35,763 And... we went. 960 00:58:38,765 --> 00:58:41,109 And I can't tell you a whole lot about the ambush. 961 00:58:41,268 --> 00:58:43,270 I was one of the first people to be shot. 962 00:58:43,395 --> 00:58:45,147 One round put me down. 963 00:58:46,982 --> 00:58:50,452 And my grenadier was down, and we were trying to get him back. 964 00:58:50,569 --> 00:58:54,619 And Marines, from the first day in boot camp, 965 00:58:54,781 --> 00:58:57,250 you learn that Marines don't leave their dead, 966 00:58:57,367 --> 00:59:00,792 and they never, never leave their wounded. 967 00:59:02,289 --> 00:59:04,963 And that's why I'm alive today. 968 00:59:05,083 --> 00:59:09,304 First guy that came for me... I was lying on my face... 969 00:59:10,964 --> 00:59:13,342 he reached down and stuck his arms under my shoulders 970 00:59:13,467 --> 00:59:17,813 and lifted me up and the machine gun wasn't any far, 971 00:59:17,929 --> 00:59:23,481 was maybe nine feet, ten feet at the most, away from me. 972 00:59:23,643 --> 00:59:25,145 This is a very intimate ambush. 973 00:59:25,270 --> 00:59:26,270 It's a brawl. 974 00:59:27,856 --> 00:59:31,906 And he fired a burst into my chest that blew me out 975 00:59:32,027 --> 00:59:35,531 of the Marine's arms that was holding me and then he was shot. 976 00:59:38,241 --> 00:59:44,465 Another very brave young Marine, this 18-year-old from Louisiana, 977 00:59:44,581 --> 00:59:47,630 his first firefight, had seen what happened 978 00:59:47,751 --> 00:59:50,880 and still came for me. 979 00:59:51,004 --> 00:59:55,680 And he reached for me, and he was shot I think in the forearm. 980 00:59:55,801 --> 00:59:58,554 And he was laying beside me. 981 00:59:58,678 --> 01:00:00,531 Now, I've got a hole through my chest big enough 982 01:00:00,555 --> 01:00:02,102 to stick your fist through. 983 01:00:03,100 --> 01:00:04,272 I'm dying and I know it. 984 01:00:05,644 --> 01:00:08,193 And I heard this horrible screaming going on, 985 01:00:08,355 --> 01:00:11,985 and I was trying to figure out who was screaming like that, 986 01:00:12,109 --> 01:00:13,361 because it sounded so... 987 01:00:19,282 --> 01:00:20,909 And then I realized it was me. 988 01:00:23,703 --> 01:00:26,126 When they began to drag us out, they were being pursued 989 01:00:26,248 --> 01:00:30,048 by the North Vietnamese, and they would drop us 990 01:00:30,168 --> 01:00:31,795 and lay on top of us. 991 01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:33,217 They knew... we were both dying. 992 01:00:33,380 --> 01:00:36,680 The grenadier had been shot in the right side of his chest. 993 01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:38,894 They knew... we were both dead. 994 01:00:39,010 --> 01:00:41,638 But we were still alive. 995 01:00:41,763 --> 01:00:43,265 So, they weren't gonna leave us. 996 01:00:43,390 --> 01:00:45,484 They would die before they would leave us. 997 01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:47,640 And they covered us with their bodies and fired back 998 01:00:47,727 --> 01:00:50,947 at the NVA and then they'd jump up and drag us a little farther 999 01:00:51,064 --> 01:00:53,408 and then drop us and lay back on top of us. 1000 01:00:53,525 --> 01:00:56,404 And I kept telling them to leave me. 1001 01:00:56,528 --> 01:00:58,121 And I meant it. I meant it. 1002 01:00:58,238 --> 01:01:02,288 But all of a sudden I got scared that they might really leave me. 1003 01:01:04,786 --> 01:01:07,255 I was triaged three times. 1004 01:01:07,372 --> 01:01:10,171 And the senior corpsman said, 1005 01:01:10,292 --> 01:01:12,019 "He's either shot through the heart or the lungs. 1006 01:01:12,043 --> 01:01:13,229 There's nothing I can do for him." 1007 01:01:13,253 --> 01:01:14,846 And he just turned away. 1008 01:01:14,963 --> 01:01:17,057 I went, "Well, okay." 1009 01:01:18,049 --> 01:01:21,679 And then, a helicopter came in. 1010 01:01:21,803 --> 01:01:23,350 And they threw me into the bird. 1011 01:01:25,891 --> 01:01:29,111 And the corpsman on the bird straddled me, stood over me, 1012 01:01:29,269 --> 01:01:32,239 and looked down at me, and then looked up at the door gunner 1013 01:01:32,355 --> 01:01:36,110 and went... get me out of the way 1014 01:01:36,276 --> 01:01:37,336 because he couldn't work on me. 1015 01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:38,862 I was a dead man. 1016 01:01:40,947 --> 01:01:42,824 And they flew me to Delta Med at Dong Ha. 1017 01:01:42,949 --> 01:01:47,045 And I thought, "Okay, I made it this far." 1018 01:01:47,162 --> 01:01:48,802 And this doctor comes over and looks at me 1019 01:01:48,914 --> 01:01:50,461 and I'm conscious. 1020 01:01:50,582 --> 01:01:52,801 I'm lucid. 1021 01:01:52,918 --> 01:01:54,295 And he checks a couple of things. 1022 01:01:54,419 --> 01:01:55,688 And I've got this huge hole in me. 1023 01:01:55,712 --> 01:01:57,273 And he looks at me right in the eye, and he says, 1024 01:01:57,297 --> 01:01:59,015 "What's your religion, Marine?" 1025 01:01:59,132 --> 01:02:01,134 And I said, "Well, I'm a Protestant." 1026 01:02:01,301 --> 01:02:02,445 And he says, "Get a chaplain over here. 1027 01:02:02,469 --> 01:02:04,016 I can't help this man." 1028 01:02:04,137 --> 01:02:05,137 And then he walked away. 1029 01:02:06,514 --> 01:02:11,771 Another surgeon walks by, and he looked at me, 1030 01:02:11,895 --> 01:02:15,900 and I was raised to always be nice to people. 1031 01:02:16,024 --> 01:02:19,824 And when he looked at me, I smiled at him and nodded. 1032 01:02:19,945 --> 01:02:24,075 And he said, "Why isn't somebody helping this man?" 1033 01:02:24,199 --> 01:02:25,496 And inside I'm going, 1034 01:02:25,617 --> 01:02:27,337 "Yeah, why isn't somebody helping this man?" 1035 01:02:28,453 --> 01:02:31,332 When they put me to sleep, I thought, 1036 01:02:31,498 --> 01:02:34,502 "Boy, this is really it," you know. 1037 01:02:34,668 --> 01:02:37,217 And it was kind of, "Okay, God, 1038 01:02:37,337 --> 01:02:39,931 into your hands, I deliver my spirit." 1039 01:02:41,174 --> 01:02:43,017 And I thought that was it. 1040 01:02:45,011 --> 01:02:47,264 And when I woke up in the surgical intensive care ward, 1041 01:02:47,389 --> 01:02:49,767 which was a Quonset hut, 1042 01:02:49,891 --> 01:02:52,394 I thought, "Holy mackerel." 1043 01:02:52,519 --> 01:02:56,524 I just couldn't... I couldn't believe it. 1044 01:03:00,277 --> 01:03:01,699 Yesterday over Hanoi, 1045 01:03:01,820 --> 01:03:03,538 three American planes were shot down 1046 01:03:03,697 --> 01:03:06,291 and at least two of their pilots captured. 1047 01:03:06,408 --> 01:03:09,958 One of them was Lieutenant Commander John McCain III, 1048 01:03:10,078 --> 01:03:13,173 the son of the U.S. Naval commander in Europe. 1049 01:03:50,869 --> 01:03:54,419 Hanoi was so pleased to have captured the son 1050 01:03:54,539 --> 01:03:57,918 of an American admiral that they allowed a French journalist 1051 01:03:58,043 --> 01:04:00,546 to interview McCain in the hospital. 1052 01:04:00,670 --> 01:04:04,891 He had just had his broken bones set without even an aspirin 1053 01:04:05,008 --> 01:04:06,430 for the pain. 1054 01:04:06,551 --> 01:04:07,751 What is your name? 1055 01:04:07,844 --> 01:04:10,893 Lieutenant Commander John McCain. 1056 01:04:11,014 --> 01:04:13,984 How many raids have you done until the last one? 1057 01:04:14,100 --> 01:04:15,898 About 23. 1058 01:04:16,019 --> 01:04:20,695 In which circumstances have you been shot down? 1059 01:04:20,815 --> 01:04:25,571 I was on a flight over the city of Hanoi, 1060 01:04:25,695 --> 01:04:32,795 and I was bombing and I was hit by either a missile 1061 01:04:32,911 --> 01:04:34,584 or anti-aircraft fire. 1062 01:04:34,704 --> 01:04:41,679 I'm not sure which, and the plane continued straight down, 1063 01:04:41,795 --> 01:04:50,476 and I ejected and broke my leg and both arms 1064 01:04:50,595 --> 01:04:57,319 and went into a lake; parachuted into a lake. 1065 01:04:57,477 --> 01:05:02,233 And I was picked up by some North Vietnamese 1066 01:05:02,357 --> 01:05:08,410 and taken to the hospital, where I almost died. 1067 01:05:08,530 --> 01:05:10,783 I would just like to tell... 1068 01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:17,498 ...my wife... 1069 01:05:18,331 --> 01:05:20,880 ...I will get well... 1070 01:05:23,503 --> 01:05:30,182 ...and I love her and I hope to see her soon. 1071 01:05:31,719 --> 01:05:34,313 After the interview, McCain was beaten 1072 01:05:34,431 --> 01:05:38,481 for not expressing sufficient gratitude to his captors. 1073 01:05:46,317 --> 01:05:50,788 All through the fall of 1967, the North Vietnamese 1074 01:05:50,905 --> 01:05:54,660 and the Viet Cong continued their series of "Border Battles" 1075 01:05:54,784 --> 01:05:57,287 in preparation for their surprise offensive, 1076 01:05:57,412 --> 01:05:59,335 still months away. 1077 01:05:59,456 --> 01:06:03,177 Con Thien, where John Musgrave was wounded, 1078 01:06:03,293 --> 01:06:04,715 had been the first. 1079 01:06:04,878 --> 01:06:08,553 Then came the ARVN base at Song Be. 1080 01:06:08,715 --> 01:06:11,138 The South Vietnamese outpost adjacent to 1081 01:06:11,259 --> 01:06:14,308 the provincial capital of Loc Ninh was next. 1082 01:06:14,429 --> 01:06:17,353 There, large units of North Vietnamese 1083 01:06:17,474 --> 01:06:21,229 and Viet Cong regulars mounted a coordinated attack, 1084 01:06:21,394 --> 01:06:24,739 and then fought for five days to hold on to the ground 1085 01:06:24,856 --> 01:06:28,736 they'd gained, something they had never done before. 1086 01:06:28,860 --> 01:06:32,410 American commanders were puzzled. 1087 01:06:32,572 --> 01:06:37,169 Then, in early November, reports reached MACV 1088 01:06:37,285 --> 01:06:39,538 that five North Vietnamese regiments 1089 01:06:39,662 --> 01:06:43,917 and a Viet Cong battalion... some 7,000 men in all... 1090 01:06:44,083 --> 01:06:46,711 had begun massing in the Central Highlands 1091 01:06:46,836 --> 01:06:51,467 around the U.S. Special Forces camp at Dak To again. 1092 01:06:51,591 --> 01:06:56,222 Among the North Vietnamese regulars was Nguyen Thanh Son, 1093 01:06:56,346 --> 01:06:59,600 who had been so eager to fight that he too had filled 1094 01:06:59,766 --> 01:07:03,771 his pockets with rocks to pass his physical. 1095 01:07:17,909 --> 01:07:21,334 As the NVA deployed their troops, 1096 01:07:21,454 --> 01:07:24,378 Westmoreland sent his to Dak To, 1097 01:07:24,499 --> 01:07:28,049 exactly what the enemy wanted him to do. 1098 01:07:28,169 --> 01:07:33,391 Among the Americans were the men of the elite 173rd Airborne, 1099 01:07:33,508 --> 01:07:37,103 Westmoreland's Fire Brigade. 1100 01:07:41,558 --> 01:07:45,734 We all knew in a general sense that we wouldn't be brought back 1101 01:07:45,853 --> 01:07:48,823 if there wasn't something big going on. 1102 01:07:48,982 --> 01:07:54,364 You just knew that the area was crawling with North Vietnamese, 1103 01:07:54,487 --> 01:07:58,993 and that they were there not to avoid contact with us, 1104 01:07:59,158 --> 01:08:01,786 but they were there to have contact with us. 1105 01:08:03,204 --> 01:08:05,457 First Lieutenant Matthew Harrison was now 1106 01:08:05,582 --> 01:08:08,335 with Alpha Company of the 2nd Battalion, 1107 01:08:08,501 --> 01:08:11,004 the same rifle company that had been ambushed 1108 01:08:11,129 --> 01:08:16,351 and so badly shattered back in June on the slopes of Hill 1338, 1109 01:08:16,467 --> 01:08:19,095 just 14 miles to the east. 1110 01:08:19,220 --> 01:08:22,850 This wasn't like the Viet Cong where if you could find them, 1111 01:08:22,974 --> 01:08:24,191 you could kill them. 1112 01:08:24,350 --> 01:08:25,630 Our problem wasn't finding them. 1113 01:08:25,727 --> 01:08:27,967 Our problem was what to do with them once you found them. 1114 01:08:28,062 --> 01:08:33,193 The 174th NVA Regiment was waiting. 1115 01:08:33,359 --> 01:08:37,114 Nguyen Thanh Son and his men were already dug in 1116 01:08:37,238 --> 01:08:40,287 on the high ground they knew the Americans would want 1117 01:08:40,408 --> 01:08:45,164 to command: Hill 875. 1118 01:09:06,392 --> 01:09:11,569 On Sunday morning, November 19, 1967, 1119 01:09:11,731 --> 01:09:15,156 Alpha, Charlie, and Delta Companies were ordered 1120 01:09:15,276 --> 01:09:18,155 to take Hill 875. 1121 01:09:18,279 --> 01:09:21,749 Matt Harrison had been wounded in an earlier fight 1122 01:09:21,866 --> 01:09:24,665 and was not permitted to accompany his men. 1123 01:09:24,786 --> 01:09:29,087 He anxiously followed their progress over the radio. 1124 01:09:29,207 --> 01:09:33,883 Heavy artillery and flights of F-100s blasted the hillside 1125 01:09:34,003 --> 01:09:37,803 ahead of them, meant to knock out enemy positions 1126 01:09:37,924 --> 01:09:41,098 before the paratroopers ever got within range. 1127 01:09:58,069 --> 01:10:00,447 The three companies moved up the slope, 1128 01:10:00,571 --> 01:10:02,949 Charlie and Delta in the lead, 1129 01:10:03,116 --> 01:10:06,290 Alpha bringing up the rear. 1130 01:10:06,411 --> 01:10:09,836 The paratroopers stepped warily into a clearing 1131 01:10:09,956 --> 01:10:13,176 filled with fallen trees from the morning's bombardment 1132 01:10:13,292 --> 01:10:18,014 and only a little over 300 yards from the summit. 1133 01:10:33,312 --> 01:10:36,282 Thousands of automatic weapon rounds ripped through the air. 1134 01:10:36,399 --> 01:10:39,448 Chinese-made grenades came rolling and bumping 1135 01:10:39,569 --> 01:10:40,946 down the slopes. 1136 01:10:41,070 --> 01:10:45,291 The Americans sought cover where they could behind fallen trees, 1137 01:10:45,408 --> 01:10:48,036 scrabbled at the earth with their helmets, 1138 01:10:48,161 --> 01:10:50,334 trying to dig fighting holes. 1139 01:10:57,211 --> 01:11:00,090 Charlie and Delta companies were pinned down 1140 01:11:00,214 --> 01:11:03,013 and being torn to pieces. 1141 01:11:04,510 --> 01:11:06,308 Meanwhile, near the foot of the hill, 1142 01:11:06,429 --> 01:11:09,524 other North Vietnamese troops surprised Alpha Company 1143 01:11:09,640 --> 01:11:10,937 from behind. 1144 01:11:11,058 --> 01:11:14,107 They were first spotted moving up through the trees 1145 01:11:14,228 --> 01:11:17,858 by a private from the Bronx named Carlos Lozada. 1146 01:11:17,982 --> 01:11:21,111 As the men of his company scrambled up the slope, 1147 01:11:21,235 --> 01:11:23,033 dragging their wounded with them, 1148 01:11:23,154 --> 01:11:25,703 Lozada provided what cover he could, 1149 01:11:25,823 --> 01:11:28,576 firing his M-60 machine gun from his hip... 1150 01:11:28,701 --> 01:11:31,420 before a bullet hit him in the head. 1151 01:11:32,830 --> 01:11:37,631 He would be awarded a posthumous Medal of Honor. 1152 01:11:37,752 --> 01:11:41,632 Back home, the battle led the nightly news. 1153 01:11:43,466 --> 01:11:46,345 The Battle of Dak To is now on its 19th day, 1154 01:11:46,469 --> 01:11:48,813 and already ranks among the bloodiest campaigns 1155 01:11:48,930 --> 01:11:50,352 of the Vietnam War. 1156 01:11:50,473 --> 01:11:52,066 There's no sign yet of any let-up. 1157 01:11:52,225 --> 01:11:53,727 Over the weekend, three companies 1158 01:11:53,851 --> 01:11:57,822 of the 173rd Airborne Brigade moved down this river valley, 1159 01:11:57,939 --> 01:12:00,738 up which North Vietnamese normally infiltrate, 1160 01:12:00,900 --> 01:12:03,949 until they got down here by Hill 875. 1161 01:12:04,070 --> 01:12:06,414 Then, they came under heavy fire from the hill. 1162 01:12:06,531 --> 01:12:08,579 Two of the three companies charged the hill, 1163 01:12:08,741 --> 01:12:10,584 the other stayed back as a rear guard. 1164 01:12:10,701 --> 01:12:11,998 They found a... 1165 01:12:12,119 --> 01:12:15,168 By early afternoon, the three companies 1166 01:12:15,289 --> 01:12:17,542 had basically been decapitated. 1167 01:12:17,667 --> 01:12:19,419 The company commanders were dead; 1168 01:12:19,585 --> 01:12:22,589 most of the officers and most of the NCOs were dead. 1169 01:12:24,549 --> 01:12:27,223 The survivors from all three companies clustered 1170 01:12:27,343 --> 01:12:30,017 in the clearing and did their best to set up 1171 01:12:30,137 --> 01:12:31,764 a defensive circle. 1172 01:12:31,931 --> 01:12:36,562 American bombs and napalm pounded enemy positions 1173 01:12:36,686 --> 01:12:40,156 until it grew almost too dark to see. 1174 01:13:08,509 --> 01:13:13,310 Then, another American plane roared in and dropped two bombs. 1175 01:13:13,472 --> 01:13:16,351 One landed among the hidden enemy troops. 1176 01:13:17,643 --> 01:13:22,149 The other fell directly on the Americans. 1177 01:13:22,315 --> 01:13:27,071 In a fraction of a second, 42 were killed. 1178 01:13:27,194 --> 01:13:31,119 A badly hit lieutenant managed to find a working radio. 1179 01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:34,665 "No more fucking planes," he shouted into it. 1180 01:13:34,785 --> 01:13:37,504 "You're killing us up here." 1181 01:13:39,081 --> 01:13:41,334 The fighting on the hillside continued. 1182 01:13:41,500 --> 01:13:45,880 The men ran out of water, began to run out of ammunition. 1183 01:13:46,005 --> 01:13:50,806 Helicopters that tried to ferry in supplies were shot down. 1184 01:13:52,178 --> 01:13:58,276 The following day, Matt Harrison was able to chopper in. 1185 01:13:58,392 --> 01:13:59,985 It was chaos. 1186 01:14:00,102 --> 01:14:02,821 It was collections of guys who had who had tunneled 1187 01:14:02,939 --> 01:14:05,112 and dug down behind trees. 1188 01:14:05,232 --> 01:14:08,657 These were guys who had gone without water in that heat 1189 01:14:08,778 --> 01:14:10,246 for two days. 1190 01:14:10,363 --> 01:14:14,288 And almost every one of them was wounded. 1191 01:14:14,408 --> 01:14:18,458 And then all around were bodies, 1192 01:14:18,579 --> 01:14:22,880 guys who had been shot and blown up. 1193 01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:24,593 It was the third circle of hell. 1194 01:14:27,380 --> 01:14:31,851 On November 23, two fresh battalions of the 173rd 1195 01:14:31,968 --> 01:14:34,471 finally made it to the top of the hill, 1196 01:14:34,595 --> 01:14:37,394 for which so many had died. 1197 01:14:37,556 --> 01:14:39,274 But the night before, 1198 01:14:39,392 --> 01:14:42,271 the surviving North Vietnamese troops had slipped down 1199 01:14:42,395 --> 01:14:48,744 the other side and disappeared into Cambodia and Laos. 1200 01:14:48,859 --> 01:14:51,453 The powers that be decided it would be important 1201 01:14:51,570 --> 01:14:56,041 to our morale for us to be in on the taking the top of the hill. 1202 01:14:56,158 --> 01:15:01,289 I had 26 guys left out of a company that started out of 140, 1203 01:15:01,414 --> 01:15:04,088 and all 26 had been wounded. 1204 01:15:04,208 --> 01:15:08,463 Then Harrison and his exhausted men were helicoptered 1205 01:15:08,587 --> 01:15:10,339 to the top of yet another hill. 1206 01:15:16,053 --> 01:15:18,272 It was Thanksgiving. 1207 01:15:18,389 --> 01:15:21,643 Chinook helicopters clattered down out of the sky, 1208 01:15:21,767 --> 01:15:25,397 carrying huge containers of hot turkey and mashed potatoes 1209 01:15:25,521 --> 01:15:29,992 and cranberry sauce so that the 173rd could have 1210 01:15:30,109 --> 01:15:32,032 their Thanksgiving dinner. 1211 01:15:32,153 --> 01:15:34,702 If there are any more remote or dangerous spots 1212 01:15:34,822 --> 01:15:36,822 to spend Thanksgiving Day in Vietnam than this one, 1213 01:15:36,907 --> 01:15:39,001 then most of these men have never seen them. 1214 01:15:39,118 --> 01:15:42,497 There was a TV cameraman and reporter off to the side 1215 01:15:42,621 --> 01:15:44,214 using us as a backdrop. 1216 01:15:44,331 --> 01:15:47,005 And I remember hearing the reporter intone, 1217 01:15:47,126 --> 01:15:50,255 "Today is November 23, Thanksgiving Day," 1218 01:15:50,379 --> 01:15:54,134 and I was really angry. 1219 01:15:54,258 --> 01:15:58,138 It's as though we were entertainers. 1220 01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:05,403 107 Americans had died taking Hill 875; 1221 01:16:05,519 --> 01:16:08,363 another 282 were wounded. 1222 01:16:08,481 --> 01:16:10,199 Ten more were missing. 1223 01:16:10,316 --> 01:16:14,071 The number of North Vietnamese casualties is unknown, 1224 01:16:14,195 --> 01:16:18,166 but their losses are thought to have been staggering. 1225 01:16:19,742 --> 01:16:24,088 Back in June, Matt Harrison had lost two West Point classmates 1226 01:16:24,205 --> 01:16:26,833 on Hill 1338. 1227 01:16:26,957 --> 01:16:30,006 He lost two more on Hill 875. 1228 01:16:30,127 --> 01:16:33,722 Of the eight with whom he had served in the 2nd Battalion, 1229 01:16:33,839 --> 01:16:38,140 four were now dead and two had been wounded. 1230 01:16:40,721 --> 01:16:44,191 To take tops of mountains in a triple canopy jungle 1231 01:16:44,308 --> 01:16:47,482 along the Cambodian-Laotian border accomplished nothing 1232 01:16:47,603 --> 01:16:49,731 of any importance. 1233 01:16:51,524 --> 01:16:56,030 The Battle for Hill 875 was, in my thinking today, 1234 01:16:56,195 --> 01:16:59,540 a microcosm of what we were doing and what went wrong 1235 01:16:59,657 --> 01:17:01,000 in Vietnam. 1236 01:17:01,117 --> 01:17:04,872 There was no reason to take that hill. 1237 01:17:04,995 --> 01:17:08,670 We literally got to the top of the hill 1238 01:17:08,791 --> 01:17:15,470 about mid-day on November 23 and sat there for, 1239 01:17:15,589 --> 01:17:17,387 I don't know, half an hour, an hour, 1240 01:17:17,550 --> 01:17:21,475 just kind of gathering ourselves and everything together. 1241 01:17:21,595 --> 01:17:24,849 Chinooks came in, took us off the hill. 1242 01:17:24,974 --> 01:17:28,820 And I doubt that there's been an American on Hill 875 1243 01:17:28,936 --> 01:17:30,984 since November 23. 1244 01:17:31,105 --> 01:17:33,358 We accomplished nothing. 1245 01:17:33,482 --> 01:17:37,032 A new phase is now starting. 1246 01:17:37,153 --> 01:17:40,077 We have reached an important point when the end 1247 01:17:40,197 --> 01:17:42,416 begins to come into view. 1248 01:17:44,160 --> 01:17:47,755 As Matt Harrison and his men fought for Hill 875, 1249 01:17:47,913 --> 01:17:50,507 the Johnson administration was in the midst 1250 01:17:50,624 --> 01:17:52,422 of a "Success Offensive," 1251 01:17:52,543 --> 01:17:57,390 a PR campaign aimed at shoring up support for the war 1252 01:17:57,506 --> 01:17:59,975 and the way it was being waged. 1253 01:18:00,092 --> 01:18:04,313 MACV released a new and surprisingly low estimate 1254 01:18:04,430 --> 01:18:08,401 of enemy forces to show how much damage the United States 1255 01:18:08,517 --> 01:18:09,860 had done to them. 1256 01:18:09,977 --> 01:18:14,323 It was only two-thirds of the total suggested by the CIA, 1257 01:18:14,440 --> 01:18:16,863 because, after a bitter and prolonged debate 1258 01:18:16,984 --> 01:18:19,828 behind the scenes, Westmoreland had chosen 1259 01:18:19,945 --> 01:18:22,994 to exclude from it the part-time guerrillas... 1260 01:18:23,115 --> 01:18:27,120 farmers, old men, women, even children... 1261 01:18:27,286 --> 01:18:30,961 who helped place the mines, grenades, and booby traps 1262 01:18:31,123 --> 01:18:33,125 that accounted for more than a third 1263 01:18:33,292 --> 01:18:35,795 of all American casualties. 1264 01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:38,924 General Westmoreland also told the press 1265 01:18:39,048 --> 01:18:42,598 that the impressive body counts his commanders reported 1266 01:18:42,718 --> 01:18:45,312 were "very, very conservative." 1267 01:18:45,429 --> 01:18:47,932 It probably represented, he said, 1268 01:18:48,057 --> 01:18:52,608 "50 percent or even less of the enemy that has been killed." 1269 01:18:52,728 --> 01:18:56,403 Ambassador Ellsworth Bunker joined the chorus, 1270 01:18:56,523 --> 01:19:00,198 using a metaphor first used 13 years earlier 1271 01:19:00,319 --> 01:19:02,788 by the French commander in Vietnam, 1272 01:19:02,905 --> 01:19:07,456 not long before their great defeat at Dien Bien Phu. 1273 01:19:07,576 --> 01:19:10,796 And I think we're now beginning to see light 1274 01:19:10,913 --> 01:19:12,256 at the end of the tunnel. 1275 01:19:12,373 --> 01:19:15,468 Mr. Ambassador, you talk about light at the end of the tunnel. 1276 01:19:15,584 --> 01:19:17,086 How long is this tunnel? 1277 01:19:17,211 --> 01:19:19,760 Well, I don't think that you can put it 1278 01:19:19,880 --> 01:19:25,683 into any particular timeframe, a situation like this. 1279 01:19:27,221 --> 01:19:31,522 LBJ's Success Offensive succeeded. 1280 01:19:31,684 --> 01:19:34,984 The number of Americans who believed the United States 1281 01:19:35,104 --> 01:19:39,735 was making real progress in the war grew. 1282 01:19:39,858 --> 01:19:43,203 Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara 1283 01:19:43,320 --> 01:19:47,370 did not take part in the public relations campaign. 1284 01:19:47,491 --> 01:19:51,121 He had become so disillusioned with the war he'd done so much 1285 01:19:51,245 --> 01:19:53,714 to plan and prosecute that he wrote 1286 01:19:53,872 --> 01:19:56,170 another secret memo to the president, 1287 01:19:56,292 --> 01:20:00,217 advising Johnson to freeze American troop levels, 1288 01:20:00,337 --> 01:20:03,932 turn over ground operations to the South Vietnamese, 1289 01:20:04,049 --> 01:20:06,427 and halt the bombing of North Vietnam 1290 01:20:06,552 --> 01:20:09,556 "in order to bring about negotiations." 1291 01:20:09,680 --> 01:20:13,275 There was no reason to believe, McNamara wrote, 1292 01:20:13,392 --> 01:20:17,022 that the prolonged "infliction of grievous casualties, 1293 01:20:17,146 --> 01:20:19,774 "or the heavy punishment of air bombardment, 1294 01:20:19,898 --> 01:20:22,902 "will suffice to break the will of the North Vietnamese 1295 01:20:23,027 --> 01:20:24,404 "and Viet Cong. 1296 01:20:24,570 --> 01:20:27,665 "The continuation of our present course of action 1297 01:20:27,781 --> 01:20:32,628 "in Southeast Asia would be dangerous, costly in lives, 1298 01:20:32,745 --> 01:20:35,965 and unsatisfactory to the American people." 1299 01:20:36,081 --> 01:20:39,255 Johnson never responded. 1300 01:20:39,418 --> 01:20:42,422 Instead, he arranged for McNamara to become 1301 01:20:42,546 --> 01:20:45,425 the president of the World Bank. 1302 01:20:45,591 --> 01:20:49,437 McNamara would keep silent about the doubts he had harbored 1303 01:20:49,595 --> 01:20:51,643 since the beginning of the ground war 1304 01:20:51,764 --> 01:20:55,268 for the next 28 years. 1305 01:20:55,434 --> 01:20:58,404 His successor as defense secretary would be 1306 01:20:58,520 --> 01:20:59,737 Clark Clifford, 1307 01:20:59,855 --> 01:21:03,325 a prominent Washington lawyer and trusted counselor 1308 01:21:03,442 --> 01:21:06,912 to Democratic presidents, whom Johnson was sure would be 1309 01:21:07,029 --> 01:21:08,747 supportive of the war. 1310 01:21:08,864 --> 01:21:10,912 Students of Harvard... 1311 01:21:11,033 --> 01:21:14,253 Meanwhile, Allard Lowenstein's yearlong search 1312 01:21:14,370 --> 01:21:16,793 for a Democratic challenger to the president 1313 01:21:16,914 --> 01:21:18,916 had finally succeeded. 1314 01:21:19,041 --> 01:21:24,969 On November 30, 1967, Minnesota senator Eugene McCarthy 1315 01:21:25,130 --> 01:21:26,973 announced that he would run. 1316 01:21:27,091 --> 01:21:29,719 This is an issue which has to be taken 1317 01:21:29,843 --> 01:21:33,268 to the people of the country in the campaign of 1968. 1318 01:21:36,475 --> 01:21:39,479 By the end of 1967, 1319 01:21:39,603 --> 01:21:45,030 20,057 Americans had died in Vietnam. 1320 01:21:45,150 --> 01:21:48,495 The time had come, General Westmoreland said, 1321 01:21:48,612 --> 01:21:52,458 for an "all-out offensive on all fronts." 1322 01:21:56,120 --> 01:21:59,715 But the enemy was just a month away from launching 1323 01:21:59,832 --> 01:22:02,802 an all-out offensive of its own. 1324 01:22:17,891 --> 01:22:23,773 # I see a red door and I want it painted black # 1325 01:22:23,897 --> 01:22:29,779 # No colors anymore, I want them to turn black # 1326 01:22:29,903 --> 01:22:32,076 # I see the girls walk by # 1327 01:22:32,197 --> 01:22:35,918 # Dressed in their summer clothes # 1328 01:22:36,034 --> 01:22:42,132 # I have to turn my head until my darkness goes # 1329 01:22:42,249 --> 01:22:48,006 # I see a line of cars and they're all painted black # 1330 01:22:48,130 --> 01:22:54,012 # With flowers and my love, both never to come back # 1331 01:22:54,136 --> 01:23:00,064 # I see people turn their heads and quickly look away # 1332 01:23:00,225 --> 01:23:06,198 # Like a newborn baby, it just happens every day # 1333 01:23:06,315 --> 01:23:12,243 # I look inside myself and see my heart is black # 1334 01:23:12,362 --> 01:23:18,165 # I see my red door and must have it painted black # 1335 01:23:18,285 --> 01:23:24,213 # Maybe then I'll fade away and not have to face the facts # 1336 01:23:24,333 --> 01:23:30,431 # It's not easy facing up when your whole world is black # 1337 01:23:30,547 --> 01:23:36,645 # No more will my green sea go turn a deeper blue # 1338 01:23:36,762 --> 01:23:42,940 # I could not foresee this thing happening to you # 1339 01:23:43,060 --> 01:23:48,908 # If I look hard enough into the setting sun # 1340 01:23:49,024 --> 01:23:54,952 # My love will laugh with me before the morning comes # 1341 01:23:55,113 --> 01:24:00,961 # I see a red door and I want it painted black # 1342 01:24:01,119 --> 01:24:07,001 # No colors anymore, I want them to turn black # 1343 01:24:07,125 --> 01:24:09,127 # I see the girls walk by # 1344 01:24:09,294 --> 01:24:13,094 # Dressed in their summer clothes # 1345 01:24:13,215 --> 01:24:19,143 # I have to turn my head until my darkness goes # 1346 01:24:24,142 --> 01:24:25,485 # I wanna see it painted # 1347 01:24:25,602 --> 01:24:29,277 # Painted, painted, painted black # 1348 01:24:29,398 --> 01:24:31,275 # Yeah. # 109732

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