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[door slams]
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[footsteps]
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-[giggling]
-[chattering]
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[camera beeps]
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Hello? Hello.
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My name's Hannah, and I'm auditioning
for the role of JonBenet Ramsey.
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Do you know who killed JonBenet Ramsey?
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[wind whistles softly]
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[woman]
All units, 755 15th Street. Possible 207.
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Copy. Kidnapping?
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That's what they said.
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[siren wails]
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All right, do you want me to do a test,
or are you good?
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Hello, I'm Amy Dowd, and I'm auditioning
for the role of Patsy Ramsey.
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My name is Teresa, and I'm auditioning
for the role of Patsy Ramsey.
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As far as acting goes,
I'm not a professional actress.
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I have been in pageants.
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In 1982, 1983, 1984 and 1985.
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I'm normally typecast
as the loving mother,
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and then also as... a bitch. [laughing]
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Usually Mom, or the friend,
is what I've played.
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A wife.
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Okay, so I just brought a couple
of my pageant pictures.
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Again, this was two years ago
with the Mrs. Colorado pageant
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and the one thing I have quite
in common with Patsy is,
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both of us are not the really thin girls.
We're a little bit heavier.
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So this was when I was in New York,
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and, um,
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it was 19... 88,
I believe this was taken.
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I noticed that you had some of the other
women who are auditioning for Patsy
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wearing the red top,
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but for me, it's the pearls
that make who Patsy was.
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In every interview she did,
she always had the pearls on.
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So when I was researching her
I made sure that the pearls were on.
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She always wore these kind of earrings.
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I didn't have one with a pearl in it,
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but these were really close
to what she was wearing.
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And she always wore
the open collar shirt and the jacket.
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This is very close
to what she wore on Larry King.
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My mom lives up Flagstaff Road,
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which is,
if you've ever been up Flagstaff,
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it starts out as Baseline Road.
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So to come down the mountain
and go into town,
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unless you cut off at 9th Street,
you literally drove by 15th Street,
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and that's where
the Ramsey house is located.
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It was a media circus.
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It was the biggest thing to really happen
to Boulder in a very long time.
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Definitely, we'd never had a murder,
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especially of that... caliber
that I could remember.
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I actually drove up to the house
the day after the murder,
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'cause I live not that far,
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and just sat there, and I cried.
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I said a little prayer for the child.
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Some of my voice students knew JonBenet,
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and they were devastated and sad.
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As an actress,
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I would really draw
on my experience as a mother,
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and I've been through an awful lot
with my son.
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And just thinking about
the things I've been through,
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in that he's older.
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He's been in the Marine Corps,
and some of the experiences are...
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I have personal experience with murder.
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My brother was murdered
in Colorado Springs,
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so my parents actually met
with the Ramseys several times,
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because they had that in common.
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And there was so much speculation.
So much.
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And everybody pointed their finger
at Patsy.
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[sighs and sniffles]
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Did you say he was reading with me?
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Police.
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755, 15th Street. [panting]
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We have a kidnapping. Hurry, please!
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[man] A note is left
and your daughter's gone?
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-Yes.
-[man] How old is your daughter, ma'am?
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She's six years old.
She's blonde. She's six years old.
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Six years old.
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[man] How long ago was this?
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I don't know. I just got the note,
and my daughter's gone.
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-[man] Okay, what's your name?
-What?
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-Please.
-[man] Okay, calm down.
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[sobs]
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-Please send someone to help me. Hurry.
-[man] Ma'am--
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[siren wailing]
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-Morning.
-Yeah, Merry Christmas.
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[man] So you want my name
and then the part?
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-[woman] Yeah.
-[woman 2] There we are. Thank you.
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Hi, I'm Hack Hyland.
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Hi, I'm Gary Foster. I'm auditioning
for the part of John Ramsey.
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Hi, my name is Ed Hickok. I'm auditioning
for the role of John Ramsey.
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I'm a husband, times 30 years tomorrow,
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a father of three,
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a psychologist in private practice,
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and a felon, because of fighting the IRS.
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And it was while I was cooling my heels
at the federal prison camp
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that I decided that when I got out,
that I wanted to try my hand at acting.
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Yeah, it's a paid theater.
It was with Theatre Or.
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It was called My Mother'sJewish Lesbian Wiccan Wedding.
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It was the regional premiere.
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I get Nick Nolte. I get Jeff Bridges.
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I get a young... What's his name?
Kris Kristofferson.
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If you want to change, like,
if you wanted to dye my hair,
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or shave my head for a wig...
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I don't care what you want to do.
I don't have a problem with it.
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I'm trying to remember.
'96, I believe, wasn't it?
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When she died, I think.
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Six years old in 1996.
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Let me see where I was in '96. Boy!
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Actually, I was selling cars in Utah.
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I mean, I hope that doesn't
hurt my chances here, but...
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[chuckles]
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I had just moved here
literally weeks before,
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and I was working out in what would
end up being my ex-brother-in-law's gym.
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I was personal training in his facility.
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And I remember, it was just a big stir.
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I mean, it was on the news constantly,
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and everybody was talking about it.
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Tragic story. Horrible.
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John's company was in Boulder.
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The woman I was dating at the time
worked directly for John.
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In fact, she was in line
to be his successor.
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And he relied on her heavily,
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so I was with her the night of the murder,
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and I was effectively her alibi,
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but they also did hair
and samples from her,
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because, you know,
she had something to gain by John's loss.
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But she was cleared, and I knew that
'cause I was with her.
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He is a confident businessman.
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He's an intelligent guy.
He's got a good education.
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He's at the top of his game.
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He owns a small company
that even owns a private airplane.
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John Ramsey was a very successful man.
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And I respect that.
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He seemed always straightforward
and honest in the interviews that I saw.
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I envied him at the time,
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because he was the CEO
of a very successful company
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and I was trying
to make my way up the ladder,
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so I thought he was...
I thought he had it all.
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It's the morning of the 26th.
December 26th.
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And they find the ransom note,
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"We have your daughter.
Don't call the police."
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And they... they called the police.
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It was after the police
investigated the house,
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and then John Ramsey and--
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was it the police,
were searching the house?
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So him and his friend
walked down the basement,
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and they went through the train room
'cause he was big into trains,
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and that's when they opened the door
to the wine cellar
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and saw her covered
in her favorite white blanket.
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[sobs]
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[gasps]
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[loud sobbing]
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[sniffs]
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[clamoring]
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[woman] And go.
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Good day, my name is RJ Clay,
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and I'm here auditioning
for the part of the police chief,
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but if I fit any other part perfectly,
I would be willing to take that as well.
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So I'm a Denver policeman.
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I've been a police officer since 1994.
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I'm actually a meat manager
for King Soopers,
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which is a grocery store chain out here
in Colorado.
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Well, I'm currently
a fugitive recovery agent.
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I run a small service
out of Longmont, Colorado.
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And for a night job, I am a sex educator.
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I do a lot of corporate gigs, barbecues,
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and I'm a big wedding guy,
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'cause I actually will interview
the bride and groom
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and I'll write a song just for them,
play it at their ceremony.
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A normal flogger,
you use the handle as a counterbalance,
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and you can swing.
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Right?
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A poi flogger is designed
to be used with two hands,
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and these are designed to florentine,
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which is a way to give light sensation.
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But it takes a little coordination.
I don't know if I can do this sitting.
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And it gives a very light sensation.
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Hand me the rainbow-colored handle.
Yeah, with the-- just one of 'em.
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So I got interested
in this particular case
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because it occurred
when I was a police officer in Chicago.
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And we used the investigation techniques
from the Boulder Police Department
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as a "how not to" for our cadets.
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As a matter of fact, we used it last night
to debrief an incident that we had,
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where a couple of skinheads
stabbed each other.
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Well, first of all,
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they didn't keep track of people coming
and going through the house.
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Virtually anybody who wanted
to walk in that house after the crime
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was allowed to.
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So the evidence was compromised
in all sorts of ways.
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And the ransom note.
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I read that and...
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it's incredible.
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It's incredible that nobody's been charged
with anything on that.
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It seems to me like...
it was pretty clear.
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Well, the first thing, right away, is,
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it was a three-page ransom note
that was handwritten.
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And most people are in a hurry
when they're doing a crime.
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They're not going to sit down
after murdering some young little girl.
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First of all, they go out
and find the paper and the pen
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they thought was from inside the home.
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So they're not going to sit there
and write a three-page handwritten letter,
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thinking out all this fun stuff
that's in the letter.
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If you're a criminal wanting to do
an in-and-out kind of kidnapping,
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who takes the time to write out
two and a half pages of a ransom note?
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That's a little ridiculous. [laughs]
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They say, "We are a group of individuals
that represent a small foreign faction."
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I don't know what that means
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and I don't think, to this day,
the police know what that means.
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It almost seems like,
in places, it shows concern.
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I mean, in certain places,
they're really nasty.
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They say, "We're going to behead her.
We'll kill her."
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But in other places, they say things like,
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"Make sure to bring along
a big enough attaché."
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And in one spot they said,
"Make sure you're rested,
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because it's going to be
an arduous sort of procedure
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to get her back."
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Then the next big thing,
obviously, is the dollar amount.
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Any type of a kidnapper
is gonna want a million bucks
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or 100,000 or a quarter-million.
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They don't list $118,000 specifically.
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They asked for $118,000.
Exactly that amount.
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Which was the same amount
of John's bonus, Christmas bonus.
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The ransom note also came
from inside their house, on notepads.
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And the pen that was used
was the Ramseys'.
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For me personally, I love breast torture.
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Whipping nipples, tits...
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doing breast bondage, as well as
arm sleeves and stuff along those lines.
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Hold on a second.
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[phone rings]
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I've got to take this. It's work.
Give me five minutes.
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-Just whenever?
-[woman] Yeah.
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Hey, Robert. It's Mark.
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I got the coroner's report.
I'm faxing it over right now, so...
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You know, what I can tell you is that...
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she died from asphyxiation
by strangulation.
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There was also...
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some sort of head wound
that occurred.
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That likely occurred
before the strangulation.
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Right, right.
241
00:16:56,375 --> 00:17:01,208
Well, she was laying
on her back on the floor,
242
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covered by a blanket,
243
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and... yeah.
244
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Ligature marks on the wrist,
245
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and... yeah.
246
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All right.
Well, I'm gonna fax it over to you.
247
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Okay. I've got to go.
248
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All right. Thanks.
249
00:17:28,417 --> 00:17:31,042
All right. How's everything else?
250
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Wife and kids good?
251
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Good, good.
252
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Holidays are going well?
253
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[siren wails]
254
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[actor as police chief]
The JonBenet Ramsey case
255
00:17:46,500 --> 00:17:49,042
is a case like we have never seen before,
256
00:17:49,125 --> 00:17:52,750
a case like I don't think anyof you have ever seen before.
257
00:17:53,375 --> 00:17:55,792
There have been many stories
and much speculation
258
00:17:55,875 --> 00:17:57,875
about who killed JonBenet.
259
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Prejudging and media hype
have never solved a crime.
260
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The reality of the situation
is that often
261
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these types of investigations take time.
262
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Are the Ramseys still the focus
of this investigation
263
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or have they been elevated
to the status of suspects?
264
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[police chief] No comment.
No more questions.
265
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[reporter] Was Patsy involved?
266
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[clamoring]
267
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[clears throat]
268
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This is Patsy writing? Okay.
269
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Let me just read it real quick.
"The pink cowboy sweetheart costume."
270
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"The pink cowboy sweetheart costume
271
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was made out of some polyester fabric
I bought in Atlanta.
272
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I doctored up
the white cowgirl hat and boots.
273
00:18:47,250 --> 00:18:48,542
It was precious."
274
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"It was precious.
275
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That summer, JonBenet went prepared.
276
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I could give her that.
277
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I couldn't give her the stage presence
that God gave her.
278
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That was a gift."
279
00:19:03,667 --> 00:19:09,500
"JonBenet was looking forward to the day
she could wear real evening gowns,
280
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just like her mother."
281
00:19:12,542 --> 00:19:14,042
"Just like her mother."
282
00:19:15,875 --> 00:19:18,875
It is so narcissistic. I'm just shocked.
283
00:19:18,958 --> 00:19:22,500
I don't remember that. I read this book,
and I don't remember it.
284
00:19:23,583 --> 00:19:24,750
Wow.
285
00:19:25,625 --> 00:19:28,417
She was no longer doing
the beauty queen thing.
286
00:19:28,500 --> 00:19:30,292
She'd gotten too old.
287
00:19:30,375 --> 00:19:34,625
And so this was her opportunity
to live it again through her daughter.
288
00:19:34,708 --> 00:19:38,500
The little girl really loved it.
From what we can tell, she loved it.
289
00:19:38,583 --> 00:19:42,583
She was not forced into it. It was not,
"You have to go do this."
290
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She really loved it.
291
00:19:44,208 --> 00:19:50,458
So it kind of feels like a...
a legacy thing for Patsy, actually.
292
00:19:51,958 --> 00:19:54,125
I know a lot
of people think that's weird,
293
00:19:54,208 --> 00:19:58,917
to have a little girl dressed up
where she looks like a 20-year-old woman.
294
00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:01,708
But that's the pageant system.
295
00:20:01,792 --> 00:20:05,417
And a lot of those girls go on
to do great things...
296
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or work at Hooters.
297
00:20:09,708 --> 00:20:11,250
From what...
298
00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:16,375
I heard and kind of put together...
299
00:20:18,375 --> 00:20:23,375
it sounded like...
that family was really screwed up.
300
00:20:24,292 --> 00:20:26,292
Patsy was at least involved.
301
00:20:26,375 --> 00:20:28,625
I'm not sure if she did it.
302
00:20:30,042 --> 00:20:34,083
I hope she didn't,
but I think she might have.
303
00:20:37,417 --> 00:20:39,125
She just made me angry.
304
00:20:39,750 --> 00:20:41,417
Watching her...
305
00:20:42,958 --> 00:20:44,333
Listening to her
306
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and then her husband...
307
00:20:48,375 --> 00:20:50,708
I think he's the innocent one.
308
00:20:51,333 --> 00:20:53,792
I don't believe he was involved
in any way.
309
00:20:56,125 --> 00:20:58,708
I just think he's innocent.
310
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The more manic side
of this whole situation
311
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seemed to come from Patsy's side.
312
00:21:05,042 --> 00:21:09,250
She seems more inclined to be the one
that might have struck someone in anger
313
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than John does.
314
00:21:11,083 --> 00:21:15,458
More than anything, I think it was
the ransom note that was written,
315
00:21:15,542 --> 00:21:21,042
that handwriting experts said
she most likely wrote.
316
00:21:22,250 --> 00:21:24,417
I found that pretty interesting
317
00:21:24,500 --> 00:21:27,917
because I've had my handwriting analyzed.
318
00:21:28,375 --> 00:21:32,625
And it was fascinating,
because I wasn't there.
319
00:21:32,708 --> 00:21:36,333
It was an ex-boyfriend
who showed this handwriting expert...
320
00:21:37,250 --> 00:21:39,750
a birthday card that I gave him.
321
00:21:39,833 --> 00:21:42,750
But this expert could actually tell
322
00:21:42,833 --> 00:21:46,458
that I had had a trauma
to my right ankle.
323
00:21:46,542 --> 00:21:50,000
And sure enough, I had
reconstructive surgery on my right ankle.
324
00:21:50,083 --> 00:21:52,125
Why would-- She has no motive.
325
00:21:52,208 --> 00:21:55,167
I'm frustrated as a parent.
I'm frustrated with my kids.
326
00:21:55,250 --> 00:21:58,792
There's no motive to kill them.
There's no motive to do that.
327
00:21:58,875 --> 00:22:00,667
I could see the jealousy aspect.
328
00:22:00,750 --> 00:22:04,708
Since Patsy Ramsey was
a beauty pageant queen herself,
329
00:22:06,042 --> 00:22:08,708
maybe her daughter was having
a little bit more success
330
00:22:08,792 --> 00:22:10,958
or wasn't listening to her.
331
00:22:11,042 --> 00:22:12,458
You know, I don't know
332
00:22:12,542 --> 00:22:16,875
if Patsy Ramsey's background was
any mental illness or anything like that,
333
00:22:16,958 --> 00:22:19,417
but of course we know she died of cancer.
334
00:22:19,500 --> 00:22:24,208
And sometimes, when there's disease,
there's dis-ease.
335
00:22:24,833 --> 00:22:26,875
And then we heard about the bed-wetting,
336
00:22:26,958 --> 00:22:31,292
and the general discord in the family,
337
00:22:31,375 --> 00:22:33,792
and we were...
338
00:22:33,875 --> 00:22:37,000
That's why everybody was thinking
it had to be in the family.
339
00:22:37,083 --> 00:22:39,750
You know, JonBenet Ramsey
was a bed-wetter,
340
00:22:39,833 --> 00:22:43,417
and I know that
there had been people interviewed
341
00:22:43,500 --> 00:22:47,000
that said that that
had infuriated Patsy Ramsey.
342
00:22:47,083 --> 00:22:50,708
And she wet her bed, actually, that night.
343
00:22:51,333 --> 00:22:54,167
There was one article
I remember reading just recently,
344
00:22:54,250 --> 00:22:58,875
and it identified Patsy
as the lead suspect,
345
00:22:58,958 --> 00:23:02,542
and went so far as
to say she murdered her daughter.
346
00:23:02,625 --> 00:23:06,250
And what it cited
that incited so much rage in me
347
00:23:06,333 --> 00:23:09,917
was that the stressors
that Patsy was under...
348
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:13,083
one of them being the holidays,
349
00:23:13,167 --> 00:23:17,750
and another one being
her impending 40th birthday.
350
00:23:17,833 --> 00:23:20,042
And I'll be 39 next month,
351
00:23:20,500 --> 00:23:22,500
and if someone said
352
00:23:22,583 --> 00:23:26,958
that my impending 40th birthday
caused me so much psychic strain
353
00:23:27,042 --> 00:23:29,250
that I would consider killing my child...
354
00:23:29,833 --> 00:23:32,958
I don't know what shade of ballistic
I would go on them,
355
00:23:33,042 --> 00:23:36,208
because talk about putting women in a box.
356
00:23:36,792 --> 00:23:38,708
I mean, the mother had to do it.
357
00:23:39,208 --> 00:23:42,042
She was about to turn 40.
She's jealous.
358
00:23:42,125 --> 00:23:44,917
Her little girl was frustrating.
She wet the bed.
359
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:46,250
Maybe it was an accident.
360
00:23:46,333 --> 00:23:47,958
She threw her against the tub...
361
00:23:48,875 --> 00:23:50,333
and then covered it up.
362
00:23:50,417 --> 00:23:53,875
You know, people are quick to judge.
363
00:23:53,958 --> 00:23:57,375
They talk about how
they were so upset and all the pain,
364
00:23:57,458 --> 00:24:01,458
but, like, you don't see any of it
in their face, at all.
365
00:24:01,542 --> 00:24:03,792
You know, I don't know why no tears fell.
366
00:24:03,875 --> 00:24:07,958
I think... was she detached?
Did she ever really love her little girl?
367
00:24:08,042 --> 00:24:10,583
You don't know how you're gonna react.
368
00:24:11,083 --> 00:24:14,875
My personal reaction was quite violent.
369
00:24:14,958 --> 00:24:17,458
I screamed. I cried.
370
00:24:17,542 --> 00:24:22,375
My parents told me in the back of a car,
and I remember just screaming,
371
00:24:22,458 --> 00:24:24,667
"Who killed my brother?
Who killed my brother?"
372
00:24:25,208 --> 00:24:27,875
At that point in time,
we didn't even know he was murdered.
373
00:24:27,958 --> 00:24:29,542
We just knew he was dead.
374
00:24:29,625 --> 00:24:33,500
But I had
this just overwhelming impression
375
00:24:33,583 --> 00:24:36,000
that it was not a natural death,
376
00:24:36,083 --> 00:24:37,917
and it was not an accident.
377
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,208
I was screaming so loud that people
actually came out of the building
378
00:24:41,292 --> 00:24:42,792
to see what was going on.
379
00:24:42,875 --> 00:24:44,750
So that was my reaction.
380
00:24:45,792 --> 00:24:50,667
I watched my parents.
It was far more subtle and private.
381
00:24:50,750 --> 00:24:52,667
[chattering]
382
00:25:02,792 --> 00:25:04,792
Push your chair in a little bit, Gary.
383
00:25:04,875 --> 00:25:07,167
Is Gary "John"? Okay.
384
00:25:07,708 --> 00:25:09,833
-Hi, John.
-Patsy.
385
00:25:10,542 --> 00:25:13,583
[muttering]
386
00:25:20,083 --> 00:25:22,833
-Hi, nice to see you.
-Hi. J. Michael Sterling.
387
00:25:22,917 --> 00:25:24,708
-Nice to meet you.
-Nice to meet you.
388
00:25:27,125 --> 00:25:31,583
-It is like, us against the world.
-It is, yeah. Absolutely.
389
00:25:31,667 --> 00:25:35,750
I mean, they're both raw. Still.
I mean, it's still so new.
390
00:25:35,833 --> 00:25:40,625
If I was being interviewed with my wife
about something like that,
391
00:25:40,708 --> 00:25:42,708
I'd have my arm around her.
392
00:25:42,792 --> 00:25:45,750
I'd be holding her hand.
I'd be consoling her.
393
00:25:45,833 --> 00:25:48,292
I don't recall seeing them do that.
394
00:25:49,458 --> 00:25:51,500
You know,
they were never really too close.
395
00:25:51,583 --> 00:25:54,708
Like, they weren't like this, or...
396
00:25:54,792 --> 00:25:58,625
I mean, but I might just angle in.
397
00:26:05,167 --> 00:26:07,333
I don't think I would angle in.
398
00:26:07,417 --> 00:26:11,458
There's a separation, and even
sitting here setting up for the scene,
399
00:26:11,542 --> 00:26:13,875
it's like we would
naturally be sitting closer.
400
00:26:13,958 --> 00:26:17,875
I did not... I mean, I said hello and then
I tried to not make eye contact with you
401
00:26:17,958 --> 00:26:20,833
'cause I wanted to keep no conversation.
402
00:26:22,333 --> 00:26:24,583
-Exactly. Like, "We have a job to do."
-Right.
403
00:26:24,667 --> 00:26:27,333
Although we're friends on Facebook
or something, right?
404
00:26:27,417 --> 00:26:29,375
-I was like, "Oh, my God!"
-I know!
405
00:26:29,458 --> 00:26:32,083
-"I've never met you. Cool."
-We finally meet in person!
406
00:26:36,042 --> 00:26:38,125
To those of you who may want to ask,
407
00:26:38,208 --> 00:26:40,542
let me address very directly.
408
00:26:40,625 --> 00:26:43,417
I did not kill my daughter JonBenet.
409
00:26:44,417 --> 00:26:48,583
There have also been innuendos
that she has been or was...
410
00:26:49,792 --> 00:26:51,542
sexually molested.
411
00:26:53,417 --> 00:26:58,417
Those were the most hurtful innuendos
to us as a family.
412
00:26:58,500 --> 00:27:01,542
I can tell you those were
the most hurtful innuendos
413
00:27:01,625 --> 00:27:03,708
to us as a family.
414
00:27:03,792 --> 00:27:05,542
They are totally false.
415
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,458
I'm appalled either John or I
could have been involved
416
00:27:09,542 --> 00:27:12,708
in such a hideous, heinous crime.
417
00:27:12,792 --> 00:27:14,625
But let me assure you
418
00:27:15,208 --> 00:27:17,625
that I did not kill JonBenet.
419
00:27:18,625 --> 00:27:21,250
I did not have anything to do with it.
420
00:27:21,333 --> 00:27:25,750
I loved that child
with my whole heart and soul.
421
00:27:28,667 --> 00:27:30,500
Oh, man.
422
00:27:30,583 --> 00:27:34,583
How do you go on camera
and say these lines,
423
00:27:35,375 --> 00:27:37,208
and make them look real?
424
00:27:40,333 --> 00:27:43,625
The funny thing is, when you watch them
talking about this it works either way.
425
00:27:43,708 --> 00:27:45,458
It does. It does!
426
00:27:45,542 --> 00:27:48,458
-You can say, "Okay, they're lying."
-Yeah.
427
00:27:48,542 --> 00:27:52,292
-"They're telling the truth."
-"Look at the body language." Yeah.
428
00:27:53,625 --> 00:27:55,417
I mean, it's just hard to say.
429
00:27:55,500 --> 00:27:58,167
It just... it's hard to say.
430
00:27:58,250 --> 00:28:01,125
I mean, a lot of their behavior was odd.
431
00:28:02,667 --> 00:28:06,542
So you're saying
that you think she did it?
432
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,167
I think John didn't do it.
433
00:28:09,250 --> 00:28:11,625
You think John didn't do it? Interesting.
434
00:28:13,375 --> 00:28:17,500
It's like she was more concerned
for who she was protecting.
435
00:28:17,583 --> 00:28:21,500
I believe she was protecting someone
in the family.
436
00:28:22,167 --> 00:28:23,500
I'm not gonna state who
437
00:28:23,583 --> 00:28:26,458
because I really don't know
which person that may have been,
438
00:28:26,542 --> 00:28:29,375
but I believe it was someone
that they both loved very much.
439
00:28:30,083 --> 00:28:33,917
My name is Ryan, and I'm auditioning
for the role of Burke.
440
00:28:37,250 --> 00:28:38,667
Hello.
441
00:28:41,750 --> 00:28:43,292
I'm Jase. I'm...
442
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:52,625
Um...
443
00:28:56,125 --> 00:28:57,958
I'm ten years old.
444
00:28:59,542 --> 00:29:01,708
I live in Colorado.
445
00:29:03,792 --> 00:29:05,458
Littleton...
446
00:29:06,125 --> 00:29:07,583
Yeah, Littleton.
447
00:29:10,125 --> 00:29:13,042
So I've been
in this one commercial that...
448
00:29:13,125 --> 00:29:14,958
I forgot what it was.
449
00:29:15,042 --> 00:29:17,958
It didn't play here,
450
00:29:18,042 --> 00:29:22,125
but I was just an extra in it.
451
00:29:22,667 --> 00:29:27,000
I was one of the flying monkeys,
452
00:29:27,083 --> 00:29:28,750
one of the Oz-ians,
453
00:29:28,833 --> 00:29:31,708
one of the tough guy munchkins...
454
00:29:31,792 --> 00:29:35,542
...and then I also did
a Denver mattress commercial,
455
00:29:35,625 --> 00:29:38,958
where all I did was wait
for nine hours for the whole day.
456
00:29:39,042 --> 00:29:41,875
Skipped school just because of that
457
00:29:41,958 --> 00:29:45,250
and then I got to jump on the bed
for nine minutes.
458
00:29:45,333 --> 00:29:46,708
That's all I did.
459
00:29:47,458 --> 00:29:51,750
All the other things I tried to do,
I didn't get the part.
460
00:29:56,458 --> 00:29:59,750
My house has a pool in the backyard.
461
00:30:00,875 --> 00:30:02,208
If something happened...
462
00:30:02,292 --> 00:30:07,208
and I do know that the son,
the brother of JonBenet,
463
00:30:07,292 --> 00:30:11,458
did actually hit his sister
with either a golf club or a baseball bat
464
00:30:11,542 --> 00:30:14,458
a month or two
before this incident took place.
465
00:30:14,542 --> 00:30:19,167
But to me, that was, you know,
a brother and sister...
466
00:30:19,250 --> 00:30:21,958
just having an argument, type of thing.
467
00:30:22,042 --> 00:30:27,542
But whoever struck that girl was so angry
and so livid and so mad at her,
468
00:30:27,625 --> 00:30:30,500
with either the flashlight
or a baseball bat,
469
00:30:30,583 --> 00:30:32,667
the skull fracture was intense.
470
00:30:32,750 --> 00:30:36,333
It was a mortal wound,
from everything that I've seen,
471
00:30:36,417 --> 00:30:39,208
but what really finished her off
was the strangulation.
472
00:30:39,292 --> 00:30:42,583
I mean, at one point,
me and my friends had read a book
473
00:30:42,667 --> 00:30:45,125
about people hanging, you know.
474
00:30:45,208 --> 00:30:49,000
And so we built
this little platform thing
475
00:30:49,083 --> 00:30:52,333
and hung each other,
like on-stage, kind of thing.
476
00:30:52,417 --> 00:30:54,708
It was just fooling around,
and we didn't get hurt.
477
00:30:54,792 --> 00:30:56,958
We were fine. Nobody really got hung.
478
00:30:57,042 --> 00:31:00,083
But as an adult,
think of walking into that situation.
479
00:31:00,167 --> 00:31:02,417
Here are these four kids,
480
00:31:02,500 --> 00:31:04,792
they're all ten years old,
something like that,
481
00:31:04,875 --> 00:31:06,833
hanging each other in the garage.
482
00:31:06,917 --> 00:31:09,208
How stupid can you be? But we were kids.
483
00:31:09,292 --> 00:31:11,500
So could it happen? Yeah.
484
00:31:11,583 --> 00:31:14,750
I have two sisters and one brother.
485
00:31:15,250 --> 00:31:16,792
I'm the oldest.
486
00:31:17,417 --> 00:31:19,167
I just have one sister.
487
00:31:19,250 --> 00:31:20,208
[cracks knuckles]
488
00:31:20,292 --> 00:31:25,000
Sometimes she'll take, like--
I have trading cards of Peyton Manning.
489
00:31:25,083 --> 00:31:29,708
She'll give them to my little brother,
and I'll be like, "Gabby, what the heck?"
490
00:31:29,792 --> 00:31:32,125
But it's nothing big, really.
491
00:31:32,708 --> 00:31:35,375
Sometimes I'll tease her a little bit.
492
00:31:35,958 --> 00:31:39,167
But it's just brotherly love, I think.
493
00:31:40,250 --> 00:31:43,458
She calls me a scaredy-cat
and calls me a bunch of names,
494
00:31:43,542 --> 00:31:47,083
and I don't like that, because she just
sings a bunch of annoying songs
495
00:31:47,167 --> 00:31:49,000
and calling me names, and...
496
00:31:49,708 --> 00:31:52,625
I ask her to stop a lot,
but she just never does,
497
00:31:52,708 --> 00:31:55,167
and... yeah.
498
00:31:56,292 --> 00:31:58,833
But she's getting nicer.
499
00:31:59,542 --> 00:32:02,250
It's happened about two weeks ago.
500
00:32:02,333 --> 00:32:06,000
She's beginning to become nicer,
501
00:32:06,083 --> 00:32:07,833
which I'm really happy about.
502
00:32:07,917 --> 00:32:11,708
'Cause sometimes I have tears,
503
00:32:11,792 --> 00:32:14,792
'cause it kept going,
504
00:32:14,875 --> 00:32:18,500
but it has started to stop,
which is good.
505
00:32:19,625 --> 00:32:20,917
Oh, yeah. Cool.
506
00:32:24,250 --> 00:32:28,083
"If you tell someone a secret,
it is no longer a secret."
507
00:32:29,125 --> 00:32:33,833
[whispers] If you tell someone a secret,
it's no longer a secret.
508
00:32:35,292 --> 00:32:39,333
[quietly] If you tell someone a secret,
it's no longer a secret.
509
00:32:40,083 --> 00:32:45,083
[whispers] If you tell someone a secret,
it's no longer a secret.
510
00:32:47,875 --> 00:32:50,458
If it was the brother, if it was her son,
511
00:32:51,125 --> 00:32:55,250
I think she would choose her son over...
512
00:32:56,542 --> 00:32:57,875
over truth.
513
00:32:59,125 --> 00:33:02,917
There is no way a nine-year-old
could pull off a murder like this.
514
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,167
The knots were sophisticated,
515
00:33:05,792 --> 00:33:09,250
the head wound that actually killed her...
516
00:33:10,083 --> 00:33:13,375
I don't think he would have the strength
to do something like that.
517
00:33:22,542 --> 00:33:23,500
[thuds]
518
00:33:37,375 --> 00:33:38,375
Ow!
519
00:33:42,500 --> 00:33:43,958
There it goes.
520
00:33:50,042 --> 00:33:53,542
Well, first, Burke,
maybe you could draw me a picture.
521
00:33:54,625 --> 00:33:56,208
A picture of your family.
522
00:33:59,042 --> 00:34:00,750
Would you do that for me?
523
00:34:04,833 --> 00:34:05,792
I can't draw.
524
00:34:06,417 --> 00:34:08,292
It's just so I can get
to know your family.
525
00:34:10,083 --> 00:34:11,250
Um...
526
00:34:14,542 --> 00:34:16,375
[crayon scribbling]
527
00:34:16,458 --> 00:34:18,667
[woman] Okay. "Dad."
528
00:34:19,750 --> 00:34:21,042
So who's next?
529
00:34:21,125 --> 00:34:23,250
Who's the next person you would draw?
530
00:34:25,500 --> 00:34:26,500
Mom.
531
00:34:29,500 --> 00:34:32,667
So is she the kind of mom
that gives you lots of hugs and kisses?
532
00:34:32,750 --> 00:34:33,583
Yep.
533
00:34:35,375 --> 00:34:37,542
Both you and your sister?
534
00:34:37,625 --> 00:34:40,208
Or just you? Or just your sister?
535
00:34:40,667 --> 00:34:44,542
Just... the both of us.
536
00:34:51,292 --> 00:34:53,375
[puts down crayon]
537
00:34:54,833 --> 00:34:56,292
Burke?
538
00:34:57,792 --> 00:35:00,167
Is there anyone else in your family
you were going to draw?
539
00:35:02,750 --> 00:35:04,083
[Burke] Nope.
540
00:35:08,208 --> 00:35:09,458
I know that sounds crazy,
541
00:35:09,542 --> 00:35:13,167
but just about any theory in this
whole situation sounds pretty crazy.
542
00:35:13,250 --> 00:35:15,750
You know, parents killing their kids,
543
00:35:16,542 --> 00:35:18,292
brothers killing their sisters,
544
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,583
intruders coming in to kidnap a kid
and writing the letter,
545
00:35:21,667 --> 00:35:24,042
but not kidnapping the kid,
just leaving the kid there...
546
00:35:24,125 --> 00:35:28,542
I mean, any theory is kind of cracked
in this situation.
547
00:35:29,042 --> 00:35:33,750
I know the neighbors heard a lot of ruckus
and saw lights on.
548
00:35:33,833 --> 00:35:38,167
I know the stairway was a spiral stairway,
and it was very steep.
549
00:35:38,250 --> 00:35:40,875
I definitely believe that JonBenet Ramsey
was fed pineapple.
550
00:35:40,958 --> 00:35:43,917
Maybe the window was open
before the snow fell.
551
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,375
This is where the confusion comes up,
552
00:35:46,458 --> 00:35:50,750
because there were knots tied
on that rope mechanism
553
00:35:50,833 --> 00:35:53,250
that was used to strangle her,
554
00:35:53,333 --> 00:35:57,667
and the knots apparently required
some level of expertise.
555
00:35:57,750 --> 00:36:01,625
There are some very bizarre things
that are tied to this case.
556
00:36:01,708 --> 00:36:07,625
For instance, JonBenet was six years old,
and she died on December 26 of 1996,
557
00:36:07,708 --> 00:36:12,292
and I think that's kind of odd
that there's all of these common numbers
558
00:36:12,375 --> 00:36:16,833
involved in this particular time
that she died.
559
00:36:16,917 --> 00:36:20,958
And that sometimes indicates
that there is somebody's signature on it.
560
00:36:21,042 --> 00:36:25,583
And from people who run
in some pretty sick circles.
561
00:36:26,167 --> 00:36:28,542
You know, who knows
how weird these judges are
562
00:36:28,625 --> 00:36:30,750
and these little girl pageants.
563
00:36:30,833 --> 00:36:35,417
Maybe she was letting someone have time
with her daughter
564
00:36:35,500 --> 00:36:37,583
in some kind of weird sex thing,
565
00:36:37,667 --> 00:36:40,292
and that got carried away,
and it went too far.
566
00:36:40,375 --> 00:36:43,625
At the time, there was a lot
of talk that there was a child porn ring
567
00:36:43,708 --> 00:36:44,958
going on in Boulder.
568
00:36:45,042 --> 00:36:46,833
But the crime that's committed in Boulder,
569
00:36:46,917 --> 00:36:51,000
you don't find a lot
of break-ins or assaults.
570
00:36:51,083 --> 00:36:55,417
You find a lot of white-collar crime
and possibly the child porn angle,
571
00:36:55,500 --> 00:36:59,958
which everybody just is very like,
"Why wasn't this investigated?"
572
00:37:01,958 --> 00:37:07,000
Well, you might assume for instance that
this might be some sort of rotating club,
573
00:37:07,083 --> 00:37:12,208
where on this Christmas Eve,
or this Christmas Day,
574
00:37:13,542 --> 00:37:16,417
a party at the Ramseys...
575
00:37:16,500 --> 00:37:21,375
that there might have been
some reciprocity that the Ramseys...
576
00:37:21,458 --> 00:37:26,292
John Ramsey in particular, might have been
invited to somebody else's house,
577
00:37:26,375 --> 00:37:28,542
with somebody else's little girl.
578
00:37:29,375 --> 00:37:31,208
It's always somebody you know.
579
00:37:31,292 --> 00:37:34,667
In cases like that, nine times out of ten,
it's somebody you know.
580
00:37:34,750 --> 00:37:36,375
I, as a child...
581
00:37:37,917 --> 00:37:39,792
twice, I was...
582
00:37:39,875 --> 00:37:42,292
two times, gentlemen that we knew,
583
00:37:42,375 --> 00:37:45,208
one of them was a neighbor,
one of them was a family member,
584
00:37:45,292 --> 00:37:46,958
tried to molest me.
585
00:37:48,125 --> 00:37:51,208
Both people I knew. Both nice, older men.
586
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:54,458
I didn't have a clue.
587
00:37:54,542 --> 00:37:56,042
They...
588
00:37:56,750 --> 00:38:00,833
for years,
they were just friends of our family,
589
00:38:00,917 --> 00:38:02,500
and then one day...
590
00:38:04,458 --> 00:38:08,500
you know, they start with little comments
that you don't understand,
591
00:38:08,583 --> 00:38:12,958
and slowly but surely they lure you
into this...
592
00:38:15,750 --> 00:38:17,833
into this place they want you to be,
593
00:38:17,917 --> 00:38:20,000
and for me it was...
594
00:38:20,083 --> 00:38:23,667
I remember the neighbor
making comments about...
595
00:38:23,750 --> 00:38:28,583
I must have been about...
about six, six or seven,
596
00:38:28,667 --> 00:38:31,375
and him making some comment
about, you know,
597
00:38:31,458 --> 00:38:35,417
"Hey, it won't be long before you'll be
getting your little mosquito bumps."
598
00:38:35,500 --> 00:38:38,083
And I'm like, "What?
What is he talking about?"
599
00:38:38,167 --> 00:38:39,958
I didn't get that.
600
00:38:40,042 --> 00:38:43,458
Because I didn't have any mosquito bites,
601
00:38:43,542 --> 00:38:45,583
and I didn't know anything about sex.
602
00:38:45,667 --> 00:38:46,917
I knew nothing.
603
00:38:47,500 --> 00:38:51,833
And next thing I know,
when his wife is away--
604
00:38:51,917 --> 00:38:54,958
and he was in his 70s--
he invited me in with some candy.
605
00:38:55,042 --> 00:38:57,833
And he was our neighbor
for a couple of years.
606
00:38:57,917 --> 00:39:00,500
So I went in. I had no problem with that.
607
00:39:00,583 --> 00:39:02,792
My mother never said, "Don't do that."
608
00:39:02,875 --> 00:39:06,500
And he gave me some comic books
with some pornography in them.
609
00:39:06,583 --> 00:39:09,833
I didn't know what it was.
I just knew it was wrong.
610
00:39:10,458 --> 00:39:13,708
There are people that have written books
and still have blogs about it.
611
00:39:13,792 --> 00:39:17,542
That there is a whole dark,
mysterious corner of Boulder
612
00:39:17,625 --> 00:39:20,042
that has not been touched on,
613
00:39:20,125 --> 00:39:21,542
and maybe it's because,
614
00:39:21,625 --> 00:39:24,667
as the story goes, there's people
within the police department
615
00:39:24,750 --> 00:39:29,000
that perhaps knew about it,
or knew somebody in it, and wanted...
616
00:39:29,083 --> 00:39:30,375
At any rate, there was a point
617
00:39:30,458 --> 00:39:33,667
where there was protection
over that particular lead.
618
00:39:33,750 --> 00:39:35,333
And it was not followed.
619
00:39:35,417 --> 00:39:38,417
I know there was a Santa Claus that was
at the party,
620
00:39:39,167 --> 00:39:41,458
that maybe could have done it.
621
00:39:41,542 --> 00:39:45,542
Oh, I started this in 2006.
622
00:39:46,375 --> 00:39:50,458
After I blew my knee out,
I couldn't work, so...
623
00:39:51,625 --> 00:39:54,125
A lot of people used to say
I looked like Santa Claus,
624
00:39:54,208 --> 00:39:56,500
so I just...
625
00:39:56,583 --> 00:39:59,667
Even without a beard,
they said I looked like Santa Claus.
626
00:39:59,750 --> 00:40:01,417
So I just grew a beard.
627
00:40:01,500 --> 00:40:04,542
I figured, "Well,
I've got to do something to make a buck."
628
00:40:04,625 --> 00:40:06,500
And it was pretty profitable.
629
00:40:06,583 --> 00:40:11,458
And besides that, it made
Christmastime more enjoyable.
630
00:40:11,958 --> 00:40:14,292
You get addicted to the love.
631
00:40:14,917 --> 00:40:16,292
Very quickly.
632
00:40:16,375 --> 00:40:20,667
Someone puts on the red suit, once, twice,
633
00:40:20,750 --> 00:40:24,708
it's more addictive than heroin,
I'm sure.
634
00:40:26,708 --> 00:40:28,375
I like children.
635
00:40:29,167 --> 00:40:31,583
I like making children smile.
636
00:40:32,167 --> 00:40:34,667
I like giving gifts.
637
00:40:35,250 --> 00:40:37,833
-Why they think Santa is a suspect...
-In the JonBenet...
638
00:40:37,917 --> 00:40:40,917
"JonBenet, do you want to know a secret?
639
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:44,083
I'm going to come and visit you.
640
00:40:44,167 --> 00:40:48,333
I'm going to give you
an extra-special visit after Christmas."
641
00:40:48,833 --> 00:40:54,042
[man] We went to the ceremonythat they had for JonBenet,
642
00:40:54,125 --> 00:40:59,333
and the pastor says,
"Would anybody like to say anything?"
643
00:41:00,417 --> 00:41:03,042
And as soon as he said that,
644
00:41:03,125 --> 00:41:05,708
a guy jumped up and said, "I do."
645
00:41:05,792 --> 00:41:10,167
And he started talking about how he was
in JonBenet's bedroom,
646
00:41:10,792 --> 00:41:15,125
and he was talking to her
about where Santa lived,
647
00:41:15,208 --> 00:41:19,083
and she said that it was in her heart,
648
00:41:19,167 --> 00:41:21,625
and that--
649
00:41:22,167 --> 00:41:27,042
and then he told her that JonBenet lived
in his heart.
650
00:41:27,625 --> 00:41:30,875
And he showed this little vial
of something,
651
00:41:30,958 --> 00:41:33,833
glitter, or something,
that she had given to him.
652
00:41:33,917 --> 00:41:35,458
and I just thought,
653
00:41:35,542 --> 00:41:39,750
"This guy... is the killer."
654
00:41:40,292 --> 00:41:43,042
'Cause this was
the most bizarre thing I had ever seen.
655
00:41:44,250 --> 00:41:48,125
This is why I have
a background check every year,
656
00:41:48,208 --> 00:41:51,875
and the professional Santas
that I mingle with
657
00:41:52,625 --> 00:41:53,958
have background checks.
658
00:41:54,042 --> 00:41:55,667
They have the insurance.
659
00:41:56,500 --> 00:41:58,458
They were trained.
660
00:41:59,875 --> 00:42:01,375
We're trustworthy.
661
00:42:02,792 --> 00:42:04,917
Just as an aside
which I don't tell most people,
662
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:06,417
we wear white gloves.
663
00:42:06,500 --> 00:42:09,667
And the main reason we wear white gloves
is because in a photo,
664
00:42:09,750 --> 00:42:13,042
it's much easier
to identify where your hands are.
665
00:42:13,833 --> 00:42:16,375
How was the guy
going to sneak into the house?
666
00:42:17,417 --> 00:42:20,250
Especially if he's going to come around
looking like Santa Claus.
667
00:42:20,333 --> 00:42:24,250
I mean, you don't go around
in a red suit in public
668
00:42:24,333 --> 00:42:25,875
and not be noticed.
669
00:42:26,500 --> 00:42:28,958
You know, it's a bunch of crap.
670
00:42:29,042 --> 00:42:33,083
You know,
I really think it was John-- Patsy Ramsey.
671
00:42:35,375 --> 00:42:37,083
I think she just threw a fit.
672
00:42:37,167 --> 00:42:38,792
I think she was...
673
00:42:40,125 --> 00:42:43,042
You know, she probably was the royal bitch
of a mother.
674
00:42:45,542 --> 00:42:50,375
You know, pushing her kid
into something that's not being a kid.
675
00:42:51,417 --> 00:42:53,375
I mean, it's like...
676
00:42:54,250 --> 00:42:56,792
you know, when we're kids all we want
to do is grow up,
677
00:42:56,875 --> 00:43:00,000
and when you get old, you go, "Why?"
You know?
678
00:43:00,083 --> 00:43:01,417
I mean, it's like...
679
00:43:01,500 --> 00:43:04,833
[church bell chimes]
680
00:43:51,667 --> 00:43:53,667
[giggles]
681
00:44:04,292 --> 00:44:06,375
Why do I have to wear a wig?
682
00:44:28,958 --> 00:44:31,958
[screaming]
683
00:44:34,792 --> 00:44:37,292
[stamps feet loudly]
684
00:44:55,750 --> 00:44:58,750
-[clicks]
-[country music playing]
685
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:11,208
My name is Dixon White,
686
00:45:11,292 --> 00:45:13,917
and I'm auditioning
for the role of John Mark Karr.
687
00:45:20,917 --> 00:45:21,958
[sighs]
688
00:45:26,375 --> 00:45:28,375
I do not rate my little lovers.
689
00:45:29,750 --> 00:45:30,875
[chuckles]
690
00:45:32,083 --> 00:45:34,000
I mean, JonBenet was unique.
691
00:45:35,292 --> 00:45:37,125
As all of them were unique.
692
00:45:37,208 --> 00:45:39,042
But she was my bride.
693
00:45:43,292 --> 00:45:45,167
I loved her so much.
694
00:45:45,250 --> 00:45:46,542
[chuckles]
695
00:45:48,708 --> 00:45:50,708
After I lost her, I...
696
00:45:51,292 --> 00:45:53,000
I fell in love again.
697
00:45:53,917 --> 00:45:55,375
With other girls.
698
00:45:57,500 --> 00:45:59,083
But she always...
699
00:46:00,958 --> 00:46:02,917
will be my little JonBenet.
700
00:46:06,542 --> 00:46:10,000
There were a lot of weird things
going on with John Mark Karr.
701
00:46:10,583 --> 00:46:12,667
I believe he married a 13-year-old girl,
702
00:46:12,750 --> 00:46:17,083
which was apparently legal
in Alabama at the time.
703
00:46:17,708 --> 00:46:20,583
John Mark Karr was in Thailand,
704
00:46:20,667 --> 00:46:25,833
and they were--
he was being pursued for some other...
705
00:46:25,917 --> 00:46:30,333
pedophilia acts that he had performed
in other countries.
706
00:46:30,417 --> 00:46:34,333
And he wouldn't give a direct location
so they couldn't find him.
707
00:46:34,417 --> 00:46:36,583
But then he came forward,
708
00:46:36,667 --> 00:46:40,542
and when they caught him, he said,
709
00:46:40,625 --> 00:46:43,208
"I was with JonBenet
the night that she died."
710
00:46:43,792 --> 00:46:46,375
Yeah, he's a messed up person.
711
00:46:46,458 --> 00:46:50,208
They said he was into child porn
and things like that.
712
00:46:50,708 --> 00:46:52,542
I don't think he had anything
to do with it.
713
00:46:52,625 --> 00:46:54,542
He was very convincing.
714
00:46:56,917 --> 00:46:59,000
Convincing, in the fact that he is creepy.
715
00:46:59,083 --> 00:47:01,250
He is so creepy,
716
00:47:01,333 --> 00:47:04,750
to the point that
what he says, he believes.
717
00:47:05,292 --> 00:47:09,000
And I think the police
believed him as well. I really do.
718
00:47:09,083 --> 00:47:12,458
Until that forensic evidence said,
"No, it's not him."
719
00:47:14,625 --> 00:47:17,708
It's very difficult for any of us
to relate to this person.
720
00:47:19,042 --> 00:47:22,417
Somebody that would,
maybe for attention purposes,
721
00:47:22,500 --> 00:47:26,667
maybe for self-punishment purposes...
722
00:47:26,750 --> 00:47:29,958
I'm not sure why he confessed,
723
00:47:30,042 --> 00:47:33,625
although I guess
that happens fairly often.
724
00:47:34,583 --> 00:47:35,583
False confessions.
725
00:47:35,667 --> 00:47:40,250
But... just a really peculiar human being.
726
00:47:42,042 --> 00:47:44,708
Speaking as John Mark Karr,
she was beautiful.
727
00:47:44,792 --> 00:47:48,000
I mean, she was just a little doll.
728
00:47:48,083 --> 00:47:50,583
If you look at her beauty pageant tapes,
729
00:47:50,667 --> 00:47:54,292
like, researching the role,
I'd watch these...
730
00:47:55,167 --> 00:47:59,542
Getting into my mind, I would watch
these pageant tapes of her,
731
00:47:59,625 --> 00:48:03,250
and just taking off
her little masks, and how...
732
00:48:04,292 --> 00:48:06,667
parading around in her costumes
with all her make-up on.
733
00:48:06,750 --> 00:48:08,625
And she was a beautiful little girl.
734
00:48:08,708 --> 00:48:10,833
People would say she was cute
and this and that,
735
00:48:10,917 --> 00:48:15,458
but in his mind, he sees that as,
like, pure beauty.
736
00:48:15,542 --> 00:48:16,875
And...
737
00:48:18,083 --> 00:48:20,542
and that's why he was attracted to her.
738
00:48:21,625 --> 00:48:23,417
"She, of course, was...
739
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:29,542
She was asleep from the time that
I took her from her bed into the basement.
740
00:48:32,625 --> 00:48:34,292
She had nothing to say."
741
00:48:37,792 --> 00:48:39,625
The trauma of it still...
742
00:48:43,625 --> 00:48:45,750
it still haunts me. I mean...
743
00:48:47,792 --> 00:48:49,625
to this day, I just...
744
00:48:51,458 --> 00:48:53,208
love her so much.
745
00:49:00,167 --> 00:49:03,625
[man] Karr. Let's go.
746
00:49:13,542 --> 00:49:15,625
[keys jangle]
747
00:49:15,708 --> 00:49:18,500
-[lock turns]
-[buzzer sounds]
748
00:49:50,125 --> 00:49:52,667
I mean,
JonBenet was obviously stressed out,
749
00:49:52,750 --> 00:49:57,708
because... I guess she had
a history of wetting her bed,
750
00:49:58,333 --> 00:49:59,667
pooping in her bed...
751
00:50:00,208 --> 00:50:03,000
So maybe Patsy got up
in the middle of the night
752
00:50:03,083 --> 00:50:04,500
to check on her.
753
00:50:05,292 --> 00:50:06,875
She wasn't there.
754
00:50:07,917 --> 00:50:11,958
She went all through the house,
searching, and found...
755
00:50:13,833 --> 00:50:16,458
the most horrific scene she could find.
756
00:50:17,083 --> 00:50:19,250
Her husband having sex with her daughter.
757
00:50:20,125 --> 00:50:23,458
And not just having sex, but weird sex.
758
00:50:24,458 --> 00:50:26,167
And...
759
00:50:26,792 --> 00:50:31,958
of course she would go ballistic
and picked up a golf club and swung it
760
00:50:32,042 --> 00:50:33,333
and...
761
00:50:35,625 --> 00:50:39,417
mistakenly hit JonBenet instead of John.
762
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:48,667
The autopsy shows that
there was some abuse to her genitalia.
763
00:50:49,167 --> 00:50:54,750
Something, incredibly,
that the district attorney dismissed as,
764
00:50:54,833 --> 00:50:58,375
"Being a bicycle experience."
765
00:50:59,292 --> 00:51:01,875
Which blew my mind when I read that.
766
00:51:03,042 --> 00:51:04,625
But anyway, this is Boulder
767
00:51:04,708 --> 00:51:08,250
and so, you know,
that's what you have to deal with.
768
00:51:08,750 --> 00:51:15,750
But I thought that there had to be
some sort of... sexual escapade
769
00:51:16,625 --> 00:51:18,000
that got out of hand.
770
00:51:18,083 --> 00:51:20,167
In my opinion as a sex educator,
771
00:51:20,250 --> 00:51:23,333
there's really no way that that
could have been done by accident.
772
00:51:24,125 --> 00:51:28,292
Ligature marks take
a significant amount of force to leave,
773
00:51:28,375 --> 00:51:32,000
especially as deep as they were
with JonBenet Ramsey.
774
00:51:33,250 --> 00:51:37,083
That doesn't happen by accident.
That's a very deliberate act.
775
00:51:38,042 --> 00:51:40,500
And a significant amount of time
to leave those marks.
776
00:51:41,500 --> 00:51:42,792
Um...
777
00:51:45,958 --> 00:51:47,958
I found someone close to me dead.
778
00:51:52,625 --> 00:51:54,542
And it's an awful experience.
779
00:51:57,250 --> 00:51:59,083
I've lost somebody I loved.
780
00:52:03,083 --> 00:52:04,125
And...
781
00:52:05,375 --> 00:52:08,042
and I know what it's like
to have a little bit of suspicion.
782
00:52:08,125 --> 00:52:09,583
I didn't have suspicion for long,
783
00:52:09,667 --> 00:52:13,167
because they did an autopsy
on this person.
784
00:52:16,167 --> 00:52:20,792
But I understand this idea
of people thinking things about you,
785
00:52:20,875 --> 00:52:24,875
of, you know, the immediate rush of...
786
00:52:26,042 --> 00:52:28,500
somebody wanting
to find somebody to blame.
787
00:52:29,250 --> 00:52:33,125
And to have fingers pointed
at you falsely,
788
00:52:35,208 --> 00:52:36,375
and...
789
00:52:38,667 --> 00:52:41,792
you know, to have
somebody you love be lost,
790
00:52:43,375 --> 00:52:45,000
and to be misunderstood about it
791
00:52:45,083 --> 00:52:50,708
and to probably
be grieving alone like that...
792
00:52:51,500 --> 00:52:53,042
or with his wife.
793
00:52:53,125 --> 00:52:58,833
But to feel isolated... in that grief
794
00:52:58,917 --> 00:53:01,417
and the mourning that he experienced...
795
00:53:03,875 --> 00:53:05,542
You know, he--
796
00:53:05,958 --> 00:53:10,250
So that I can relate to
from my own personal experience.
797
00:53:12,333 --> 00:53:14,292
You know, it's hard for me.
798
00:53:14,375 --> 00:53:17,792
It's hard for me sitting here
talking about it as myself.
799
00:53:21,250 --> 00:53:25,500
To not just-- I mean,
I'm holding back weeping over...
800
00:53:27,958 --> 00:53:30,333
the loss, you know?
801
00:53:32,125 --> 00:53:35,083
Because I myself have lost three children.
802
00:53:35,167 --> 00:53:36,667
So I...
803
00:53:38,375 --> 00:53:40,292
I know what that feels like.
804
00:53:40,375 --> 00:53:43,042
So when that woman looked in the camera
805
00:53:43,125 --> 00:53:46,542
or was talking to Larry King
or whoever she was talking to
806
00:53:46,625 --> 00:53:48,708
or sitting in that interrogation room,
807
00:53:49,875 --> 00:53:53,958
she was, you know-- and this is coming
from an acting point of view,
808
00:53:54,042 --> 00:53:56,500
someone who believes that
in order to act,
809
00:53:56,583 --> 00:53:58,375
you tell the truth.
810
00:53:58,458 --> 00:54:01,958
You know, you look in the camera
and you tell the truth.
811
00:54:02,042 --> 00:54:06,167
You believe, you commit.
You are that person.
812
00:54:06,250 --> 00:54:09,250
You are one 100% there.
813
00:54:09,333 --> 00:54:10,875
Committed.
814
00:54:11,542 --> 00:54:16,917
When she was there--
to me, it was the poorest acting job...
815
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:19,583
one of the poorest acting jobs
I think I'd ever seen.
816
00:54:20,792 --> 00:54:24,625
[woman] Sorry, you'll have to hop off this
'cause I'll move these ones back.
817
00:54:26,500 --> 00:54:27,458
[thumps]
818
00:54:27,542 --> 00:54:31,208
Try that and then I think
at the front for your legs...
819
00:54:31,875 --> 00:54:37,292
Is there any way
at all I can be leaning back more?
820
00:54:37,375 --> 00:54:38,583
[woman] Yeah.
821
00:54:38,667 --> 00:54:40,750
[chattering]
822
00:54:41,875 --> 00:54:45,167
[woman] Or would it be better
if I took that completely out--
823
00:54:45,250 --> 00:54:50,583
No, it's more about my back and core.
824
00:54:52,667 --> 00:54:55,250
And I think this feels a little better.
825
00:54:56,708 --> 00:55:00,250
But if I can't relax my core,
I can't get where I need to get.
826
00:55:00,875 --> 00:55:02,708
If you'd prefer to try one
of these chairs...
827
00:55:02,792 --> 00:55:04,042
I would, yeah.
828
00:55:04,750 --> 00:55:06,167
I just have to...
829
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:09,042
[sighs]
830
00:55:19,917 --> 00:55:21,542
[exhales softly]
831
00:55:38,125 --> 00:55:39,708
JonBenet...
832
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:42,833
when we pulled up to the house...
833
00:55:44,542 --> 00:55:46,542
she was sound asleep.
834
00:55:48,542 --> 00:55:53,250
Because I remember getting her out
of the car...
835
00:55:55,042 --> 00:55:56,792
and she was just out.
836
00:56:00,125 --> 00:56:03,875
So he's probably, at this point,
aware that he's a suspect.
837
00:56:05,083 --> 00:56:09,208
She's so sick and tired...
838
00:56:10,417 --> 00:56:15,042
of talking to...
over and over and over...
839
00:56:16,083 --> 00:56:18,833
answering the same questions.
840
00:56:19,750 --> 00:56:20,833
[clears throat]
841
00:56:20,917 --> 00:56:23,458
And they're just trying to dig.
842
00:56:37,958 --> 00:56:40,208
You're going down the wrong path, buddy.
843
00:56:44,083 --> 00:56:45,875
Nope. Mnh-mnh.
844
00:56:46,750 --> 00:56:50,542
If she got up in the night
and ran into somebody...
845
00:56:50,625 --> 00:56:52,542
Somebody wasn't supposed to be there.
846
00:56:52,625 --> 00:56:55,875
Look, if she got up in the middle
of the night and ran into somebody,
847
00:56:55,958 --> 00:57:00,333
then somebody was there
that wasn't supposed to be there.
848
00:57:01,750 --> 00:57:04,042
Yeah, I took her upstairs.
849
00:57:05,042 --> 00:57:07,083
I laid her on her bed.
850
00:57:07,167 --> 00:57:09,958
That's usually what I would do.
851
00:57:11,875 --> 00:57:13,708
That's usually what I did.
852
00:57:14,750 --> 00:57:19,792
I remember, I either took her shoes off
or her coat off
853
00:57:20,583 --> 00:57:24,292
and kind of got her sort of ready.
854
00:57:25,250 --> 00:57:28,208
And then Patsy took over.
855
00:57:31,083 --> 00:57:32,708
Then I went to bed.
856
00:57:35,708 --> 00:57:38,083
Whatever transpired after that,
857
00:57:38,167 --> 00:57:42,042
whether it was an accident or intentional
858
00:57:42,125 --> 00:57:43,958
or premeditated...
859
00:57:44,917 --> 00:57:46,292
or whatnot.
860
00:57:46,875 --> 00:57:52,583
It was not one of her three family members
in that house. Period.
861
00:57:53,417 --> 00:57:55,000
Period.
862
00:57:55,083 --> 00:57:56,917
End of statement.
863
00:58:06,458 --> 00:58:09,458
[chattering]
864
00:58:29,875 --> 00:58:32,042
[man] Okay, people, here we go.
865
00:58:32,750 --> 00:58:35,500
Christmas night, interior Ramsey house.
866
00:58:37,250 --> 00:58:38,792
Kill the house lights.
867
00:58:43,667 --> 00:58:47,917
[man] This is a tough piece, because...
868
00:58:49,750 --> 00:58:52,208
I don't think you can just come at it...
869
00:58:53,417 --> 00:58:54,750
as an actor and say...
870
00:58:55,708 --> 00:58:58,292
"Wow, isn't it cool I get to do this?"
871
00:58:58,375 --> 00:59:00,208
[exhales]
872
00:59:00,292 --> 00:59:05,750
Because that won't read
for what you are trying to do.
873
00:59:07,750 --> 00:59:10,917
You've got to--
I think it really has to be...
874
00:59:12,083 --> 00:59:15,167
considered an act of public service,
to a certain degree,
875
00:59:15,917 --> 00:59:20,083
to have any--
to maintain any kind of integrity
876
00:59:20,167 --> 00:59:23,542
about why you might want to come in
and expose yourself to this.
877
00:59:24,333 --> 00:59:27,542
I've talked to very few people about this,
878
00:59:27,625 --> 00:59:29,917
and they said,
"Do you really want to do that?"
879
00:59:31,708 --> 00:59:34,375
That was my first reaction
when I heard about it, too.
880
00:59:34,458 --> 00:59:37,208
I said, "Whoa, that's heavy duty."
881
00:59:39,042 --> 00:59:42,625
And then once I dug into it a little more,
it's like,
882
00:59:42,708 --> 00:59:47,083
"There may be something that could
come out of this that could help."
883
00:59:47,625 --> 00:59:50,458
It's got to be better than nothing.
884
00:59:51,958 --> 00:59:53,125
So...
885
00:59:54,250 --> 00:59:58,125
that's how I think I can credibly come
at this without...
886
00:59:59,208 --> 01:00:00,583
this notion of,
887
01:00:00,667 --> 01:00:03,250
"Hey, isn't this a cool acting gig"
kind of thing.
888
01:00:05,750 --> 01:00:07,625
[man over radio]
Carolyn to make-up, please.
889
01:00:14,042 --> 01:00:17,667
[woman] For me, it's really--I adore both of my children.
890
01:00:17,750 --> 01:00:19,667
My daughter is a ten-year-old,
891
01:00:19,750 --> 01:00:24,375
a really vivacious actor,artist, musician.
892
01:00:24,458 --> 01:00:26,667
She's just wonderful.
893
01:00:26,750 --> 01:00:29,625
And all I have to-- I'm getting there.
894
01:00:29,708 --> 01:00:31,708
All I have to do is think about...
895
01:00:33,042 --> 01:00:36,750
walking down the stairs
and turning a corner and finding...
896
01:00:39,167 --> 01:00:41,042
her little legs...
897
01:00:43,667 --> 01:00:45,875
and then coming around the corner
and going into the room
898
01:00:45,958 --> 01:00:47,917
and seeing just a little body
899
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:49,917
and her little light...
900
01:00:52,625 --> 01:00:54,792
not being there anymore.
901
01:00:57,833 --> 01:00:59,958
I hate to admit this, but I remember--
902
01:01:00,042 --> 01:01:04,333
I mean, I didn't hit my child,
but when he went to potty training,
903
01:01:04,417 --> 01:01:06,833
he would never really make me that angry,
904
01:01:06,917 --> 01:01:11,125
but the week that he decided he wanted
to start,
905
01:01:11,208 --> 01:01:13,542
he peed on everything.
906
01:01:14,417 --> 01:01:16,833
And it was the one thing
that sent me through the roof,
907
01:01:16,917 --> 01:01:20,250
and I remember standing there
screaming my lungs out at him.
908
01:01:21,167 --> 01:01:25,583
And to this day,
I feel so horrible for doing it.
909
01:01:26,125 --> 01:01:27,583
Horrible.
910
01:01:29,833 --> 01:01:32,958
And I think I could imagine...
911
01:01:35,042 --> 01:01:36,417
playing like that.
912
01:01:36,500 --> 01:01:38,542
Screaming at this child,
913
01:01:38,625 --> 01:01:41,167
because I'm so angry that she wet her bed.
914
01:01:41,958 --> 01:01:43,583
Going back to that moment of,
915
01:01:43,667 --> 01:01:48,417
"Wow, how could my child press
that button I didn't even know I had?"
916
01:01:49,625 --> 01:01:55,708
And being just so pissed off
at something so stupid,
917
01:01:55,792 --> 01:02:00,292
but you're just so exhausted,
that now I'm not even in my right mind.
918
01:02:02,833 --> 01:02:06,125
That's how I could seewhere that would start.
919
01:02:10,958 --> 01:02:13,292
[woman 2]
When you grow up in a household
920
01:02:13,375 --> 01:02:15,000
where there's a dysfunction...
921
01:02:15,083 --> 01:02:17,958
My mother was also an alcoholic,but she was a functioning alcoholic.
922
01:02:18,042 --> 01:02:20,250
She actually workedfor the police department,
923
01:02:20,333 --> 01:02:22,042
and she was a dispatcher.
924
01:02:22,125 --> 01:02:24,333
And all those years,
925
01:02:24,958 --> 01:02:25,917
I knew she drank,
926
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:30,500
and I kind of understood as a child
a little bit what an alcoholic was.
927
01:02:30,583 --> 01:02:33,542
But we also knew there was
something else wrong with my mother.
928
01:02:33,625 --> 01:02:36,792
And we all knew. There was five of us
in the family, five children.
929
01:02:37,292 --> 01:02:39,292
And we all knew
there was something wrong.
930
01:02:39,375 --> 01:02:42,417
And it wasn't until my mother went
into a nursing home
931
01:02:42,500 --> 01:02:44,958
where she was actually finally diagnosed.
932
01:02:45,042 --> 01:02:47,125
I remember them calling me up and saying,
933
01:02:47,208 --> 01:02:49,875
"Did you know your mother...
well, she's an alcoholic,
934
01:02:49,958 --> 01:02:53,042
but do you know that she has
borderline personality disorder?"
935
01:02:53,125 --> 01:02:56,458
And I was taken aback,
'cause I hadn't heard the term.
936
01:02:56,542 --> 01:02:59,208
I had heard bipolar,
but I hadn't heard that term.
937
01:02:59,958 --> 01:03:02,542
And then I looked it up and I read it,
938
01:03:02,625 --> 01:03:05,333
and it was like, "Wow, that's my mom."
939
01:03:05,417 --> 01:03:07,667
And for the family,
940
01:03:07,750 --> 01:03:10,917
it was such a great thingto have that to attach it to,
941
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:14,292
because then we knew...we knew there was something.
942
01:03:14,375 --> 01:03:17,208
You know, it kind of validifiedwhat we all thought,
943
01:03:17,292 --> 01:03:19,042
that there was something wrong with Mom.
944
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:26,250
I have always grieved the fact
that I didn't have kids.
945
01:03:26,333 --> 01:03:27,917
And I've grieved it for a long time.
946
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:30,000
I was divorced and didn't have kids,
947
01:03:30,083 --> 01:03:32,458
and I...
948
01:03:34,042 --> 01:03:38,500
It's just been really sad, and it's
taken me to some really dark places.
949
01:03:38,583 --> 01:03:41,458
Because I always wanted to have kids,
my whole life.
950
01:03:42,208 --> 01:03:45,792
And the realization
that that may not be the case
951
01:03:46,750 --> 01:03:49,833
kind of cuts to the core
of your masculinity.
952
01:03:50,333 --> 01:03:55,125
And the prostate is very much connected in
with masculinity.
953
01:03:55,750 --> 01:04:00,750
And I really do believethat there is a mind-body connection.
954
01:04:04,417 --> 01:04:07,000
And so, back to her situation,
955
01:04:07,542 --> 01:04:08,917
you kill your daughter,
956
01:04:09,875 --> 01:04:12,417
your daughter comes from your ovaries
957
01:04:12,500 --> 01:04:15,333
and your uterus
958
01:04:15,417 --> 01:04:19,250
and if you look at her cancer,
it was ovarian cancer.
959
01:04:19,875 --> 01:04:24,958
And I'm just throwing it out there
as a theory,
960
01:04:25,042 --> 01:04:29,833
and I wouldn't have been able to have
this conversation or talk like this...
961
01:04:30,917 --> 01:04:33,042
when we first met a few months back,
962
01:04:33,125 --> 01:04:36,167
because I wasn't diagnosed
with cancer yet.
963
01:04:38,833 --> 01:04:41,583
[Ed Hickok] I think it's justin people's human instinct
964
01:04:41,667 --> 01:04:43,292
to protect their children.
965
01:04:44,375 --> 01:04:48,833
One of my sons, he did something wrong.
966
01:04:49,625 --> 01:04:51,000
Legally.
967
01:04:51,917 --> 01:04:54,292
Morally, I won't go into details,
968
01:04:54,375 --> 01:04:56,042
but I think he was very justified.
969
01:04:56,125 --> 01:04:58,667
And it was very minor.
Of course, it wasn't murder.
970
01:04:58,750 --> 01:05:00,667
It was a minor thing.
971
01:05:01,333 --> 01:05:03,333
But I understood totally why he did it,
972
01:05:03,417 --> 01:05:05,542
and I probably would have done it myself.
973
01:05:06,250 --> 01:05:09,083
And I didn't turn him in.
974
01:05:09,583 --> 01:05:11,042
I protected him.
975
01:05:11,583 --> 01:05:17,000
Because I'm his father,
and I believed that was morally correct.
976
01:05:21,125 --> 01:05:22,875
John lost his daughter,
977
01:05:23,917 --> 01:05:26,417
and he's about to lose his son as well.
978
01:05:27,125 --> 01:05:30,583
You know, it really puts youin a position. What do you do?
979
01:05:38,333 --> 01:05:42,500
[woman] My father,before my mom got the divorce,
980
01:05:42,583 --> 01:05:45,500
he was drunk in the backyardand was chopping wood
981
01:05:45,583 --> 01:05:47,917
and said, "Come out here, get out here."
982
01:05:48,708 --> 01:05:51,708
And I did, and my mom sawthrough the window.
983
01:05:52,292 --> 01:05:55,292
And I already saw her running
toward the backyard where we were
984
01:05:55,375 --> 01:05:57,417
and he put an axe through my skull.
985
01:05:57,500 --> 01:06:00,958
And that's what got her a divorce,
was that incident.
986
01:06:02,083 --> 01:06:04,292
And we'd been-- we'd been--
987
01:06:05,083 --> 01:06:08,292
I can't even tell you how many times
I'd been slapped, kicked,
988
01:06:08,375 --> 01:06:10,708
hit, beaten, all those things.
989
01:06:11,250 --> 01:06:12,500
I...
990
01:06:13,333 --> 01:06:15,417
But to the world?
991
01:06:16,583 --> 01:06:17,750
Perfect family.
992
01:06:17,833 --> 01:06:21,917
To the world,
my father was the most charming...
993
01:06:24,125 --> 01:06:26,125
charismatic...
994
01:06:27,083 --> 01:06:31,083
handsome man...
that you could ever...
995
01:06:31,167 --> 01:06:35,583
You would never know he had
the temper that he did when he drank.
996
01:06:41,833 --> 01:06:43,000
[camera beeps]
997
01:06:44,375 --> 01:06:46,500
[Hack Hyland] I had a girlfriend who...
998
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:50,250
She had a liver disease.
999
01:06:50,792 --> 01:06:52,208
And...
1000
01:06:53,958 --> 01:06:55,500
One night we went to bed,
1001
01:06:55,583 --> 01:06:58,458
and when I woke up in the morning,
she was dead.
1002
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:03,083
And she had had a...
1003
01:07:04,083 --> 01:07:06,542
they call it just a liver failure.
1004
01:07:06,625 --> 01:07:10,292
Her liver just shut down and quit working,
and then she had a heart attack.
1005
01:07:13,333 --> 01:07:16,542
And, yeah, it's a shocking situation
1006
01:07:16,625 --> 01:07:19,375
to find a loved one...
1007
01:07:20,833 --> 01:07:22,125
you know...
1008
01:07:25,375 --> 01:07:26,417
no longer alive.
1009
01:07:26,500 --> 01:07:29,667
It's really an eerie thing.
I mean, you...
1010
01:07:31,792 --> 01:07:34,500
When you first notice
somebody's not breathing...
1011
01:07:37,333 --> 01:07:40,208
and you shake the person.
1012
01:07:40,292 --> 01:07:43,833
And then, oh, God, I remember,
like, lifting up her eyelid
1013
01:07:43,917 --> 01:07:46,875
and seeing this eyeball staring straight
to the ceiling.
1014
01:07:46,958 --> 01:07:49,292
It's the creepiest thing I've ever seen
in my life.
1015
01:07:49,375 --> 01:07:52,125
I mean, when you just... you just...
1016
01:07:53,167 --> 01:07:55,458
You just see lifelessness
1017
01:07:56,542 --> 01:08:00,708
in a human body, and it's...
1018
01:08:01,292 --> 01:08:02,417
it's awful.
1019
01:08:03,417 --> 01:08:05,542
[man]
All right, first positions, everybody.
1020
01:08:07,208 --> 01:08:08,458
[Hyland] You know...
1021
01:08:09,458 --> 01:08:12,417
You are-- you're in a state of shock.
1022
01:08:12,500 --> 01:08:14,958
You're in, like, a state of denial,
1023
01:08:15,042 --> 01:08:17,625
because you're telling--
1024
01:08:17,708 --> 01:08:19,250
It's too overwhelming.
1025
01:08:20,458 --> 01:08:23,583
And so you tell yourself,"This isn't happening."
1026
01:08:29,708 --> 01:08:31,667
I'm sure he was going through a lot
of those things,
1027
01:08:31,750 --> 01:08:33,667
if he was innocent
and just found his daughter.
1028
01:08:33,750 --> 01:08:36,333
I'm sure he was going through a lot
of that same stuff.
1029
01:08:46,125 --> 01:08:49,250
-[man] Speed.
-[man 2] Thursday, 2.6 take one. Marker.
1030
01:08:52,250 --> 01:08:53,792
[man] Ready and...
1031
01:09:02,042 --> 01:09:03,833
[man] Settling in...
1032
01:09:04,750 --> 01:09:06,333
and... action.
1033
01:09:13,292 --> 01:09:15,083
[sighs]
1034
01:09:29,292 --> 01:09:32,667
[piercing scream]
1035
01:09:32,750 --> 01:09:34,583
[giggling]
1036
01:09:38,667 --> 01:09:40,667
[man] Thursday, 2.1 take three. Marker.
1037
01:09:41,542 --> 01:09:42,750
[kisses]
1038
01:09:53,958 --> 01:09:54,875
[door opens]
1039
01:09:55,958 --> 01:09:57,250
Mommy?
1040
01:10:00,417 --> 01:10:01,750
Okay, honey.
1041
01:10:04,292 --> 01:10:05,708
[man] Quiet, please.
1042
01:10:16,833 --> 01:10:19,208
Good girl. Mommy's sweet girl.
1043
01:10:19,708 --> 01:10:21,458
Good girl, sweetie.
1044
01:10:28,125 --> 01:10:29,750
[Patsy] What pants do you want?
1045
01:10:29,833 --> 01:10:32,667
Look, you know we're going
to my parents' house, right?
1046
01:10:32,750 --> 01:10:35,250
My black pants are for when I'm going
into meetings.
1047
01:10:35,333 --> 01:10:36,833
Pick something like the brown pants.
1048
01:10:37,833 --> 01:10:39,667
[man] "The children were nestled all snug
in their bed...
1049
01:10:40,333 --> 01:10:42,542
while visions of sugar plums danced
in their head..."
1050
01:10:47,250 --> 01:10:50,208
You don't even get it.
I am so tired of this.
1051
01:10:50,750 --> 01:10:53,333
[Burke reading]
1052
01:10:56,458 --> 01:11:00,250
"'Ooh! Ooh! I want some,'
said Jane Banana."
1053
01:11:17,208 --> 01:11:21,000
[JonBenet muttering]
1054
01:11:29,542 --> 01:11:30,833
[door creaks]
1055
01:11:32,458 --> 01:11:33,500
Mom.
1056
01:11:34,708 --> 01:11:35,667
Mom?
1057
01:11:35,750 --> 01:11:37,292
Sweetie, what's wrong?
1058
01:11:42,167 --> 01:11:44,042
Honey, what's the matter?
1059
01:11:56,750 --> 01:11:58,667
[coughs]
1060
01:12:02,042 --> 01:12:03,833
[inhales]
1061
01:12:12,708 --> 01:12:15,833
[sobs]
1062
01:12:49,542 --> 01:12:51,667
[JonBenet screams]
1063
01:13:04,750 --> 01:13:05,667
[both shouting]
1064
01:13:10,750 --> 01:13:12,125
Give me my daughter!
1065
01:13:14,500 --> 01:13:17,083
[JonBenet screams]
1066
01:13:17,167 --> 01:13:20,000
[sobbing]
1067
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:25,042
Fucker! Give me my daughter back!
1068
01:13:25,125 --> 01:13:28,417
[long piercing scream]
1069
01:13:30,333 --> 01:13:33,958
[chattering]
1070
01:13:50,750 --> 01:13:52,833
[Patsy weeping]
1071
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:08,708
[Patsy] Don't touch me.
1072
01:14:09,458 --> 01:14:12,542
[chattering continuing]
1073
01:14:19,375 --> 01:14:20,417
[loud bang]
1074
01:14:21,375 --> 01:14:24,375
["Miss America" by Johnny Desmond playing]
1075
01:14:33,208 --> 01:14:36,333
♪ There she is ♪
1076
01:14:36,417 --> 01:14:40,167
♪ Miss America ♪
1077
01:14:41,917 --> 01:14:44,458
♪ There she is ♪
1078
01:14:45,042 --> 01:14:48,292
♪ Your ideal ♪
1079
01:14:48,833 --> 01:14:52,125
♪ With so many beauties ♪
1080
01:14:52,208 --> 01:14:55,083
♪ She took the town by storm ♪
1081
01:14:55,167 --> 01:14:59,500
♪ With her all-American face and form ♪
1082
01:14:59,583 --> 01:15:02,000
♪ And there she is ♪
1083
01:15:03,042 --> 01:15:06,458
♪ Walking on air, she is ♪
1084
01:15:07,500 --> 01:15:11,208
♪ Fairest of the fair, she is ♪
1085
01:15:11,292 --> 01:15:15,958
♪ Miss America ♪
1086
01:15:17,542 --> 01:15:20,958
♪ There she is ♪
1087
01:15:21,042 --> 01:15:25,000
♪ Miss America ♪
1088
01:15:26,458 --> 01:15:29,708
♪ There she is ♪
1089
01:15:29,792 --> 01:15:33,417
♪ Your ideal ♪
1090
01:15:33,500 --> 01:15:39,792
♪ The dreams of a million girlsWho are more than pretty ♪
1091
01:15:39,875 --> 01:15:44,417
♪ May come true in Atlantic City ♪
1092
01:15:45,083 --> 01:15:48,750
♪ Or they may turn out to be ♪
1093
01:15:49,458 --> 01:15:53,292
♪ The queen of femininity ♪
1094
01:15:53,375 --> 01:15:55,917
♪ There she is ♪
1095
01:15:56,625 --> 01:16:00,292
♪ Miss America ♪
1096
01:16:02,250 --> 01:16:04,750
♪ There she is ♪
1097
01:16:05,417 --> 01:16:08,958
♪ Your ideal ♪
1098
01:16:09,375 --> 01:16:12,500
♪ With so many beauties ♪
1099
01:16:12,583 --> 01:16:15,333
♪ She took the town by storm ♪
1100
01:16:15,417 --> 01:16:20,083
♪ With her all-American face and form ♪
1101
01:16:20,167 --> 01:16:22,125
♪ And there she is ♪
1102
01:16:23,458 --> 01:16:27,375
♪ Walking on air, she is ♪
1103
01:16:27,875 --> 01:16:32,167
♪ Fairest of the fair, she is ♪
1104
01:16:32,250 --> 01:16:39,208
♪ Miss America ♪
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