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John Lennon was a brilliant,
genius songwriter.
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[Chris Connelly] He was one
of those magical people,
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emblematic of an entire age.
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[man] A working-class kid from Liverpool.
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He was one of the originals
of this century,
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no question about it.
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The Beatles,
it was a musical revolution.
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[Philip Norman] He was a rebel.
He was a radical.
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He became an activist for peace.
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[man] He said a lot of things
that a lot of people believed in.
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It just spoke to a generation
in a different way
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than anyone else
has been spoken to before.
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[Michael Epstein] Some of us
had a healthy relationship
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with his celebrity, but there are others
that felt like they owned him.
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-[man] Who got shot?
-John Lennon.
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[reporter] John Lennon was
shot and killed tonight in New York City.
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[Howard Cosell]
An unspeakable tragedy.
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I said, "Do you realize
what you have done here?"
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And he said, "I killed myself."
He said, "I'm John Lennon."
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[reporter] People came out here,
singing Beatles ballads.
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They just want to try to feel close
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to the man whom they say
touched their lives.
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That's how much love
people had for John Lennon.
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[Joel Siegel] His music made
our good times better.
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His music made our bad times
at least livable.
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If he hadn't dreamed so beautifully,
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it wouldn't hurt so much.
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[Elliot Mintz] Here we are,
40 years later,
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talking about this man
and this man's music.
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[birds tweeting]
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[John Lennon] My role in society,
or any artist or poet's role,
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is to try and express what we all feel.
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Not as a preacher, not as a leader,
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but as a reflection of us all.
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[Jack Douglas]
John, he was always a person
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that was ahead of the curve.
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His lyrics were always about the truth.
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I asked him at one point
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what his secret was
for writing great songs.
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He said, "You write the truth
and you make it rhyme."
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[Lennon] It sort of dawned on me
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that love was the answer
when I was younger.
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My first expression of it
was a song called, "The Word."
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"The word is love" seemed like
the underlying theme to the universe,
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or to everything that was worthwhile.
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[Epstein] Who was John Lennon?
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At one time, John Lennon was probably
the most famous rock and roll musician,
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maybe the most famous artist in the world.
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[crowd cheering distantly]
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Growing up, I remember seeing
the Beatles on Ed Sullivan
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and being totally stunned.
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[reporter] The Beatles, who originated
as a small-time act out of Liverpool,
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now have no rivals
as the kingpins of the teenage set.
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[Epstein] John Lennon formed and led
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and was the Beatles
along with Paul McCartney,
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George Harrison and Ringo Starr.
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[reporter] And here they are,
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fresh from their triumphant appearances
in the United States.
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[Andy Newmark] You couldn't live your life
through the '60s with the radio on,
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hanging out with your friends
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and not know every Beatles song
from beginning to end.
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[reporter] What do you like
about the Beatles, anyway?
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Their music, and the way they dress,
and their hair and their looks.
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-[reporter] They look like girls to me.
-They do not!
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[Epstein] They were
the greatest band in history.
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They transformed rock music.
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They transformed pop culture.
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[Norman] Beatlemania,
initially, in the 1960's,
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this incontinent screaming of young woman.
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[reporter] Forty young ladies fainted,
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but authorities feel
that some were playing possum
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so that they might be
lifted over the fence
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and thus be nearer their idols.
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[Bob Gruen] The smart one
would be John Lennon.
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The cute one was Paul McCartney.
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The deep one would be George Harrison.
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And cute one number two
would be Ringo Starr.
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[Earl Slick] John was my favorite Beatle.
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He was the irreverent, you know,
rock 'n' roll guy.
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[reporter] How long will you be
in Montana?
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I have'nt got a clue.
I didn't even know we were here.
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In the sense, you know,
looking back today,
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using different words,
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we would say he would be
the punk guy from the Beatles.
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[crowd cheering]
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[Norman] He was too intellectually good
for Beatlemania.
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The screaming, this wailing of adoration
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that greeted them wherever they went,
completely sickened him.
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John was so offended
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that they weren't listening
to the Beatles' music.
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[Connelly] In 1964,
the band even starred in a film
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that made fun of the hysteria
of Beatlemania,
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A Hard Day's Night.
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[Lennon] We were involved
in so many things,
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and we were putting out
so much work,
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and we were making movies,
making public appearances,
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performing at shows and all--
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Traveling the world and doing all that.
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There was no time to reflect.
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[Epstein] It was an empty,
hollow experience for John.
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At the peak of his popularity,
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he's writing and singing
a song like "Help."
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-It's our latest record.
-[crowd cheering]
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The Beatles promoted their album Help
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on the TV show Blackpool Night Out.
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[Epstein] "Help" is a cry for help.
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[Norman] He was a mass of insecurity.
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No matter how famous he became
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or how much people showed
they loved and adored him,
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he never felt loved, he never felt secure.
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He thought he wasn't loved as a child,
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because his mother had given him over
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into the care of his mother's
older sister, John's Aunt Mimi.
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His Aunt Mimi was the force in his life.
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When John's mother died, John was 16.
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[Epstein] Years later,
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he'd found that pop stardom
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didn't fill the void.
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It didn't ease the pain
that defined his life.
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He found meaning and purpose in Yoko.
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Yoko Ono was an artist from New York
who was living in London at the time.
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He met Yoko first in 1966.
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He would fall in love.
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He was married already to Cynthia.
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[Kurt Loder] John was married early on,
even when the Beatles started out.
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He and his wife had a son,
named Julian.
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[Epstein] But he would fall in love
with a Japanese artist
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and already be married, have a kid.
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It's hard to describe
how radical that was in '68.
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[reporter] John Lennon,
he and his girlfriend Yoko Ono.
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[woman] John! She's horrible!
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Cynthia's better than her!
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[reporter] That girl next to me just said,
"Cynthia is better than her."
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-Cynthia is John Lennon's wife.
-[woman] We hate Yoko!
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[reporter] Yoko Ono is his girlfriend.
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[Elvis Mitchell] Yoko Ono was a rebel
and a troublemaker.
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He got license from her
to be the person he'd always wanted to be.
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[Norman] The reason that Yoko had
such an effect on him when they met
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was that Yoko said, "You can be yourself.
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"You don't have the say yes all the time.
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"You can just do what you want.
If you want to do real art..."
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John thought art was what Yoko did.
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Collage, performance art,
that kind of thing.
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It never occurred to John
that a song like "Norwegian Wood" was art.
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It was art.
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You've gone a long ways from "I Wanna Hold
Your Hand" to "Eleanor Rigby."
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What direction are you trying
to move your music?
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You know, we're just trying
to move forward,
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and people seem to be trying
to just sort of hold us back.
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[Connelly] The Beatles.
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They'd gotten together
when they were very young.
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They had lived very intense
lives together.
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And for creative reasons
and for business reasons,
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these guys started pulling apart.
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[reporter] The event is so momentous
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that historians may one day
view it as a landmark
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in the decline of the British empire.
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The Beatles are breaking up.
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[Connelly] Yoko Ono was initially vilified
by Beatles fans.
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They saw her as stealing away John Lennon.
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But Yoko Ono did not break up the Beatles.
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The Beatles broke up the Beatles.
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Some of the things
people have said about you
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haven't been very kind lately.
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-No, no. No.
-Does this get you down?
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It was a bit depressing
the way they kept picking on Yoko,
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you know, and saying she was ugly
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and all the personal things like that.
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But I know she isn't, so...
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John and Yoko left England
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because the press
was attacking Yoko so viciously.
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And so, they left to come to New York.
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And in New York,
they got a lot more respect.
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The 1970s was a time of turmoil
in New York.
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There was a lot of people out of work.
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But even with the shortages of money
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and the lack of opportunity,
the lack of jobs,
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it was a very exciting time
and it was a very creative time.
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[Lennon] In New York,
it's a bit like London, only more so.
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I mean, you're always hearing
congas going on in the park all the time.
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It's like a festival going on.
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[Gruen] The hip-hop developed,
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punk rock developed, disco developed
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all at the same time
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and different parts of the city
coming together,
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bouncing off each other.
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Yoko had a lot of friends here
who were artists, like Andy Warhol.
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[Connelly] Elton John and John
had a long-standing relationship.
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He was tight with David Bowie as well.
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John loved New York,
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and New York, America, was freedom.
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[Gruen] People didn't run up the street
and bother John and Yoko.
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They wouldn't bother them
the way, you know,
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Beatlemania kind of fandom.
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But he was over the Beatles.
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In fact, one time
one of the fans said to him,
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"Hey, John, when are you gonna
get the Beatles back together?"
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And John just looked at him and said,
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"When are you gonna
go back to high school?"
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You know, he was very proud
of being in the Beatles,
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but that was something that
he had done, and it was past,
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and like high school, you don't go back.
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You go forward.
You do something else.
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[Epstein] He was happy to say hello.
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He loved his fans
and loved New Yorkers.
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Some of us had a healthy relationship
with him and his music and his celebrity.
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But there are others that didn't.
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There are others that felt
like they owned him.
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[artillery fire]
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[protesters] Peace now!
Peace now! Peace now!
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[angry shouting]
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[Lennon] Politics was in the air
in those days.
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Come on, you know, you couldn't avoid it.
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[angry shouting]
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[Epstein] When John and Yoko
arrived in New York,
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I think they were at their most political.
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[crowd shouting]
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[Lennon] Being artists,
when we get into something,
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we get into it,
you know what I mean?
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-We wanted to be right there.
-[Yoko Ono] Just so involved.
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[Lennon] Down on the front lines,
you know?
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But as, like we always said to everybody,
with flowers, but still right down there.
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We want to go all the way with it.
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I read somewhere
that the war movement was over.
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Ha-ha!
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[Gruen] He had a way of coming up
with simple lines,
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like, "All we are saying
is give peace a chance."
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[Gruen] Everybody thinks that,
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but John gave people
the words to express that.
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[Mintz] "Give Peace a Chance"
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was an anthem for those who believed
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in finding an alternative to war.
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The time has come for action.
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[Epstein] John was very vocal
about his opposition to Richard Nixon.
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He made Nixon's enemies list.
Nixon was hell-bent on deporting him.
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And it ruined his life for many years.
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Almost destroyed his career.
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He came out of it, miraculously,
but it was a huge burden.
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All of these songs that he's writing,
they're not the most melodic songs.
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They're protest songs.
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And the public is, at best, indifferent.
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The critics hate it.
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And I think John's really wounded by it.
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He finds himself in '72
having purged himself,
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in many ways, of his popularity.
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[Gruen] It was a very
depressing time for him,
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and he had difficulty dealing with that.
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[Epstein] John had really become reckless
inside their marriage.
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Yoko sent John away.
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He went to L.A. for some 18 months.
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John would call it "the lost weekend."
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[Gruen] While John was in Los Angeles,
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it sounded like times were
getting pretty wild out there.
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And we had had some pretty wild
times in New York,
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and I knew that John could
get out of hand when he drank a lot.
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It was Keith Moon, Harry, me, Ringo,
all living together in the house,
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and we had some moments, folks.
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But it got a little near the knuckle.
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That's when I realized,
there's something wrong here.
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You know, this is crazy, man.
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[Norman] He spent several months, really,
for the first time in his life,
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being what he thought of
as a sort of carefree bachelor,
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but actually hating it, really,
and pleading with Yoko to have him back.
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So then he went back to Yoko.
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[Gruen] One day I drove up to Central Park
with John and Yoko.
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It turned out that they were going to see
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the apartment at the Dakota
for the first time.
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I think John liked
the English gothic castle
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kind of feeling of the place.
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[Epstein] You go to the Dakota,
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I don't want to say
you're going to an ivory tower,
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but you are kind of removing yourself.
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[Tony Palma] It was one of the most
well-known buildings.
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It was occupied by all,
very famous people.
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[Mintz] Lauren Bacall
and Leonard Bernstein,
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and Roberta Flack and Judy Garland.
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The kind of place that
people go to who want quiet.
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[Andrew Alpern] The Dakota
is the dowager queen mother
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of apartment houses.
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It started out as the only large building
on Central Park West.
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Gradually, the city grew up,
but the Dakota remained.
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It remained the most distinctive building
in the entire city.
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We all know that first impressions count,
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and first impression
of the Dakota is its entrance.
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A two-story-high archway.
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And beneath it,
a very elaborately designed
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wrought iron gateway.
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You don't pass the Dakota
and think it's an ordinary building.
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[Gruen] Going through Times Square,
I'd seen some guy selling
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the New York City T-shirts
on the sidewalk.
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And I bought a few, and I bought
one, and I gave it to John.
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It was the summer of '74
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when we were taking pictures
on the roof of his apartment.
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And with the skyline
all around us, I said,
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"You still have that New York T-shirt
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I gave you last year?"
And he said, "Yeah."
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And I said, "Well,
why don't you put it on then?"
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We took a series of pictures.
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We never really expected
that picture was going to be
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the one that he would be
remembered by so well.
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[Palma] He used to go into a coffee shop
around the corner on 71st Street.
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And the owner,
he introduced him to me once.
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He says, "Oh, you know,
this is John Lennon."
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He pretty much walked around
the neighborhood and, you know,
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lived an open life there.
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And he wasn't concerned
with security or anything.
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[Epstein] For the very first time
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since the very,
very beginning of the Beatles,
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he doesn't have a record contract.
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He's free.
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And so, he retreats back into the Dakota,
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he retreats back into family life.
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He becomes a father.
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Sean was born on John's birthday,
on October 9th, 1975.
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[Lennon] He was born on October the 9th,
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which I was, so we're almost like twins.
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If I'm feeling depressed,
without him even seeing me,
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he sort of picks up on it.
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And he starts getting that way.
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So it's like I can no longer afford
to have artistic depressions,
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which usually produced a miserable song,
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but it was something
I could use, you know.
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Now I have sort of more reason
to stay healthy and bright.
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I can no longer wallow in it.
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[Douglas] I ran into him.
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He said, "I'm giving Sean
swimming lessons
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at the Y across the street."
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He said, "I've been the house husband,"
you know.
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"And I've never enjoyed life more."
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And the look of him
when I saw him, it was--
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He looked so different.
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He looked so calm and relaxed.
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As he would say, he found himself centered
for the first time.
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[Alan Weiss] When I was a producer
of Channel 7 Eyewitness News,
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we had a reporter named Joel Siegel.
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He went to cover the Big Apple Circus
to do a story on it,
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and while he was there,
he noticed that in the audience
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was John Lennon, just sitting
amongst all the ordinary people.
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And Joel went up to him and said,
"Could I ask you a few questions?"
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And very often celebrities say,
"Nah, not now.
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I'm with my family.
Speak to my agent."
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And John said, "Sure."
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How does he like to the circus,
do you think?
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How do you like the circus?
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-I see.
-He's so excited,
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he can't say a word, you know?
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He's got a little bored applauding,
you know it?
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What's your favorite part of the circus?
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I like the clowns and the little dogs.
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Would you give it all up
to run away and join the circus?
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I've already given it up.
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I haven't decided where to run, though.
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[Siegel laughs]
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[Gruen] After spending five years
raising his son Sean,
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and basically being
withdrawn from the business
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and withdrawn from the pressures
of being in public life,
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John learned a lot about becoming an adult
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by learning that a sober life
is actually a very rewarding life.
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He sings about it, right?
"Watching the Wheels."
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[Gruen] That's what he learned
in those five years, from 1975 to 1980,
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what it was like to have a relationship,
what it was like to have a family.
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[Gruen] John was very comfortable
being in New York.
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He liked New York.
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[Mintz] Bob Gruen was also not only
their favorite personal photographer,
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he was a friend.
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[Gruen] It was an early spring day,
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and we got some really great pictures.
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There's a nice picture of them
skipping up Central Park West.
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We went into Central Park.
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I remember John had this floppy hat on,
like a hippie style,
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and I got pictures with him
and Yoko tucked underneath it.
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They were passing some flowers,
little yellow flowers, around the tree.
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And so, that was the kind of experience
they could have in New York.
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[Lennon] I didn't really
think about music at all.
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My guitar was sort of hung up
behind the bed, literally.
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And I don't think
I took it down for five years.
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[Laurie Kaye] In 1980,
the urge to make music hit again.
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John basically said that,
like, suddenly he was possessed.
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He started hearing songs in his head,
and he was inspired.
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[Lennon] Oh, it came over me
all of a sudden, love!
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I didn't know what came over me!
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[Yoko Ono laughs]
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I just suddenly, like, had...
if you'll pardon the expression,
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diarrhea of creativity.
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[Mintz] Yoko encouraged him
to travel to Bermuda
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to evoke his creative chops,
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and travel by boat to Bermuda.
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[Lennon] I sailed from Newport
to Bermuda. Three thousand miles.
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Seven days at sea for my first ocean trip.
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And it was the most fantastic experience
I ever had.
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[thunder rumbles]
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[Epstein] A day out,
a terrible nor'easter hit.
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The crew was felled.
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One person after another, seasick.
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[Lennon] The captain says to me,
"Do you want to take over the wheel?"
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I said, "Do you think I can?"
He says, 'Well, you’ll have to.
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"There’s no one else who can do it."
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[Epstein] Which is an amazing image.
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I mean, they tie John to the boat
so that he doesn't blow out to sea.
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[Lennon] A couple of waves
had me on my knees.
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I was just hanging on
with my hands on the wheel.
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Six hours, driving the boat,
keeping it on course.
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I was having the time of my life!
404
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I was singing sea chanteys and shouting at the Gods!
405
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I felt like the Viking, you know... It
won’t go away. You can’t change your mind.
406
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It’s like being on stage:
once you’re on, there’s no getting off.
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[wind gusting]
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[seagulls squawking]
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[Epstein] When he got down to Bermuda,
he started to write.
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[Mintz] He recorded demo tapes.
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[Lennon] Take one of the new one.
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[Mintz] Yoko, in the meantime,
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was in New York
writing some of her own songs.
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They would speak by telephone.
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[Yoko Ono] Should I do it
from the beginning? Okay.
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[Mintz] They would share
their songs together.
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[Lennon] It inspired me completely.
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As soon as she would sing something to me
or play the cassette down the phone,
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within 10 or 15 minutes,
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I would suddenly
get this song coming to me.
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[Mintz] Songs just began
to fall upon him from the sky.
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[Lennon] I suddenly had all this material
after not really trying,
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but not not trying either, for five years.
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One, two, three, four.
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[rings]
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One day, I could hear the phone ringing.
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And I answered the phone,
and the voice came on and said,
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"If you're interested in doing something
really interesting and different,
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"be at the 33rd Street Pier where
the seaplanes land tomorrow at noon."
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Click. At the time, I was thinking,
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I would really love to do
something very interesting and mysterious.
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And I'll ride in a seaplane.
Sounds like fun, too.
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The plane took off, flew over and down
into where they had a mansion.
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So I go inside, and Yoko said to me,
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"What I tell you now is top secret,
and you can't ever tell anyone.
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00:23:08,453 --> 00:23:12,858
"John wants to make another record,
and he wants you to produce it."
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00:23:13,725 --> 00:23:15,293
She hands me an envelope.
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It said, "For Jack's ears only."
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-And the phone rang.
-[rings]
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It was John.
He said, "Listen to the cassettes
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"that are in that envelope,
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00:23:23,769 --> 00:23:26,505
"and if you think it's crap
we won't even bother.
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"But if you think it's good material,
let's go into the studio and do it."
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I went back and I listened,
and I was amazed.
445
00:23:40,886 --> 00:23:43,789
Jack puts together a crack band
that can really play.
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[Douglas] I made phone calls
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to great musicians
Tony Levin, Hugh McCracken,
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George Small, Andy Newmark.
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[Newmark] I received that phone call.
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I happened to be
on a concert tour in Europe.
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I was excited.
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I was told not to share it with anyone.
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And as soon as I hung the telephone up,
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I went to sound check
and I told everybody in the band.
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[laughs]
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[Douglas] I told John that we're going
to bring in a wild card: Earl Slick.
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00:24:16,721 --> 00:24:18,557
Earl played with David Bowie.
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I walked in the control room,
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and John gives me the,
"Oh, it's good to see you again."
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We had worked together once
with David Bowie on "Fame."
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And I didn't remember.
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So it was kind of a running joke
through the recordings.
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In the middle of nowhere,
over the mic he'd be going,
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"Do you remember me now?"
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[Douglas] The sessions were all fun.
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Earl didn't know any of the material.
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First day he came in,
I put sheet music on Earl's stand,
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00:24:47,719 --> 00:24:51,056
and Hugh McCracken went over
and turned his sheet music upside down.
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It might as well have been
space alphabet, I didn't know.
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[Douglas] Earl couldn't read sheet music,
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but he sat there
and made believe he could.
472
00:25:00,065 --> 00:25:02,400
Pretty soon, everyone was in hysterics,
473
00:25:02,467 --> 00:25:05,437
because he was obviously,
you know, bluffing.
474
00:25:05,504 --> 00:25:06,838
[laughs]
475
00:25:06,905 --> 00:25:09,241
So we were off to a good start with Earl.
476
00:25:09,307 --> 00:25:10,742
We jammed a lot.
477
00:25:10,809 --> 00:25:14,212
We played a lot of Beatles songs,
in between takes sometimes.
478
00:25:14,279 --> 00:25:17,849
And if a Beatles song came on the radio,
479
00:25:17,916 --> 00:25:22,521
everything stopped
and he would tell us the story
480
00:25:22,587 --> 00:25:26,091
of how that song was made
and what happened that day.
481
00:25:28,627 --> 00:25:33,698
His absolute love for the Beatles
was so obvious to us.
482
00:25:33,765 --> 00:25:37,135
In fact, he said he loved them,
they were his brothers.
483
00:25:39,804 --> 00:25:42,807
We worked for a month with top security.
484
00:25:42,874 --> 00:25:46,411
The reason that John
didn't want to let anyone know
485
00:25:46,478 --> 00:25:49,948
that this record was being made
was because he was very insecure
486
00:25:50,015 --> 00:25:55,186
about whether he still had the stuff
after the five years that had gone by.
487
00:25:56,054 --> 00:25:58,490
[Ken Womack] There had been
so much pressure building up,
488
00:25:58,557 --> 00:26:00,592
by the late 1970's,
489
00:26:00,659 --> 00:26:03,094
what would happen if he came out
and fell on his face?
490
00:26:03,161 --> 00:26:04,362
What if nobody listened?
491
00:26:04,429 --> 00:26:08,667
What if nobody were to be excited
by John Lennon's great return again?
492
00:26:18,843 --> 00:26:20,679
[Epstein] He said, "This is a story.
493
00:26:20,745 --> 00:26:24,149
"It's a story about a man
becoming 40 years old.
494
00:26:24,215 --> 00:26:26,184
"He's halfway through his life."
495
00:26:27,118 --> 00:26:29,721
[Lennon] I'm not trying
to compete with my old self
496
00:26:29,788 --> 00:26:34,593
or compete with the young new wave kids
or anything like that that are coming on.
497
00:26:34,659 --> 00:26:36,494
I'm not competing with anything.
498
00:26:36,561 --> 00:26:40,231
I'm trying to go back and enjoy it
as I enjoyed it originally.
499
00:26:40,298 --> 00:26:42,067
And it's working.
500
00:26:46,671 --> 00:26:48,173
[Douglas] Things have changed.
501
00:26:48,239 --> 00:26:51,710
We're not adolescents playing
rock 'n' roll music.
502
00:26:51,776 --> 00:26:55,313
The songs are about where we are now.
503
00:26:58,683 --> 00:27:01,019
[Lennon] You know, I mean,
I went right back to my roots.
504
00:27:01,086 --> 00:27:04,122
It's not going back to being
Beatle John in the '60s.
505
00:27:04,189 --> 00:27:06,024
It's being John Lennon.
506
00:27:10,128 --> 00:27:12,530
[Gruen] In the fall of 1980,
507
00:27:12,597 --> 00:27:14,966
while John and Yoko
were still mixing the album,
508
00:27:15,033 --> 00:27:17,235
they released the single, "Starting Over."
509
00:27:17,302 --> 00:27:20,705
It's that dialogue between men and women
510
00:27:20,772 --> 00:27:24,609
that he and Yoko
were so intent on expressing.
511
00:27:24,676 --> 00:27:28,380
And Scott Muni came on the radio
and he played "Starting Over."
512
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:32,150
They were so happy hearing it on the radio
they started dancing.
513
00:27:43,328 --> 00:27:47,599
[Dave Sholin] It's fascinating that
you have an artist like John Lennon,
514
00:27:47,666 --> 00:27:49,901
who had so much success
515
00:27:49,968 --> 00:27:53,071
that would still get that
rush of excitement
516
00:27:53,138 --> 00:27:55,440
of hearing their song come through
517
00:27:55,507 --> 00:27:57,409
and being played on radio.
518
00:27:57,742 --> 00:28:01,079
He didn't find happiness
in front of a crowd of 10,000 people.
519
00:28:02,047 --> 00:28:04,983
He found it at home with Yoko and Sean.
520
00:28:05,617 --> 00:28:09,587
And that's the person
who emerged in 1980.
521
00:28:10,121 --> 00:28:11,990
[Lennon] And let's face the reality.
522
00:28:12,057 --> 00:28:14,959
I've had the boyhood thing
of being the Elvis
523
00:28:15,026 --> 00:28:17,462
and getting my own spot on the show.
524
00:28:17,529 --> 00:28:19,831
I want to be with my best friend.
My best friend's my wife.
525
00:28:19,898 --> 00:28:21,900
Who could ask for anything more?
526
00:28:21,966 --> 00:28:27,038
[Epstein] It wasn't the same John Lennon
that had walked away from it in '75.
527
00:28:27,772 --> 00:28:32,444
A totally different John Lennon
went back into the studio.
528
00:28:36,481 --> 00:28:39,284
He said, "I don't care
if they get it right now.
529
00:28:39,350 --> 00:28:41,953
"They'll get it one day.
They'll understand."
530
00:28:43,655 --> 00:28:46,925
Few artists have ever been
as influential as John Lennon.
531
00:28:57,669 --> 00:28:59,604
This new album, Double Fantasy,
532
00:28:59,671 --> 00:29:02,507
so how does it reflect
John's attitude today?
533
00:29:03,041 --> 00:29:05,143
[Gruen] But they were very happy
that the record was out
534
00:29:05,210 --> 00:29:07,278
and that people liked it,
that people liked them.
535
00:29:07,345 --> 00:29:09,180
They really seemed to be starting over.
536
00:29:09,247 --> 00:29:11,316
[police whistles blowing]
537
00:29:16,287 --> 00:29:19,257
John and I sat on the floor
for about two hours,
538
00:29:19,324 --> 00:29:21,192
and that's when he was
telling me how happy he was
539
00:29:21,259 --> 00:29:24,763
about the record was going up the charts
and was going to be popular.
540
00:29:24,829 --> 00:29:26,831
WLS, John Lennon.
541
00:29:27,732 --> 00:29:29,934
[Gruen] And then as the sun was coming up,
542
00:29:30,001 --> 00:29:33,204
we left the studio, probably 7:30,
8:00 in the morning,
543
00:29:33,271 --> 00:29:36,841
and there's some pictures of them
standing on the sidewalk on 44th Street,
544
00:29:36,908 --> 00:29:39,010
which, oddly enough, was the same place
545
00:29:39,077 --> 00:29:41,045
that I had taken pictures
the very first night
546
00:29:41,112 --> 00:29:44,382
I had met them at the recording studio,
at the Record Plant,
547
00:29:44,449 --> 00:29:46,284
and I took some pictures
there on the sidewalk.
548
00:29:46,351 --> 00:29:48,520
He said, "Okay, well,
we'll see you later."
549
00:29:53,391 --> 00:29:57,829
[Connelly] December 8th, 1980,
would be the day that changed everything.
550
00:29:57,896 --> 00:30:01,132
It's just unfathomable to think
it's the last day of his life.
551
00:30:03,468 --> 00:30:05,970
[Womack] Part of the next phase
of the print campaign
552
00:30:06,037 --> 00:30:08,373
is a Rolling Stone cover story.
553
00:30:09,908 --> 00:30:11,609
There's a lot of excitement in the air.
554
00:30:11,676 --> 00:30:13,845
Big photo shoot with Annie Leibowitz,
555
00:30:13,912 --> 00:30:17,448
arguably the leading female photographer
in rock 'n' roll certainly,
556
00:30:17,515 --> 00:30:19,584
but perhaps in popular culture.
557
00:30:20,118 --> 00:30:24,722
[Epstein] That portrait, I think,
is the essence of that relationship.
558
00:30:25,190 --> 00:30:27,926
I mean, John, naked,
like almost like a newborn,
559
00:30:27,992 --> 00:30:31,129
wrapped around Yoko for security.
560
00:30:31,629 --> 00:30:35,133
The ballast that's holding them together.
561
00:30:35,834 --> 00:30:38,002
And it's a daring,
562
00:30:38,670 --> 00:30:40,805
dangerous portrait.
563
00:30:40,872 --> 00:30:42,574
And it's beautiful.
564
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,109
It's just gorgeous.
565
00:30:47,312 --> 00:30:49,247
[car horn honks]
566
00:30:49,314 --> 00:30:51,449
[Womack] So the interview team
that arrived next,
567
00:30:51,516 --> 00:30:54,052
after Annie Leibowitz left, was RKO Radio.
568
00:30:54,118 --> 00:30:56,254
It's led by Dave Sholin.
569
00:30:59,657 --> 00:31:04,662
So we had arrived at the Dakota
somewhere around noon.
570
00:31:04,729 --> 00:31:07,765
The visual of John opening up the door,
571
00:31:07,832 --> 00:31:11,069
literally jumping up,
leaping into the room
572
00:31:11,135 --> 00:31:15,173
and extending his arms like,
"Hey, folks, I'm here."
573
00:31:16,474 --> 00:31:17,942
[Lennon] I'm sorry I'm late.
574
00:31:18,009 --> 00:31:20,211
[Yoko Ono] Yes, we're on. We're on, dear.
575
00:31:20,278 --> 00:31:21,613
[Sholin] Hi. Hello.
576
00:31:21,679 --> 00:31:23,348
-[Kaye] Hi.
-[Lennon] What is it?
577
00:31:23,414 --> 00:31:25,350
Oh, it's a microphone.
Okay, let me get relaxed.
578
00:31:25,416 --> 00:31:26,851
[Yoko Ono] Just like this, you know?
579
00:31:26,918 --> 00:31:28,820
[Lennon] Hello, hello. Testing, testing.
580
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,556
Hello, Dave. How are you?
581
00:31:31,623 --> 00:31:34,058
[Kaye] He was just happy.
582
00:31:34,125 --> 00:31:35,593
Happy to be alive,
583
00:31:35,660 --> 00:31:39,697
and happy to think of the years
that he had ahead of him
584
00:31:39,764 --> 00:31:43,568
with Sean, and making music,
and with Yoko.
585
00:31:43,635 --> 00:31:45,670
And it was bubbling up from him.
586
00:31:45,737 --> 00:31:47,405
It was beautiful.
587
00:31:47,472 --> 00:31:50,174
[Lennon] And we feel like this is just
the start, now, you see.
588
00:31:50,241 --> 00:31:53,411
Double Fantasy, like, this is our--
The first album.
589
00:31:53,478 --> 00:31:54,979
I know we worked together before.
590
00:31:55,046 --> 00:31:56,915
We even made albums together before.
591
00:31:56,981 --> 00:31:58,650
But we feel like this is the first album.
592
00:31:58,716 --> 00:32:01,920
I feel like we've--
Nothing happened before today.
593
00:32:01,986 --> 00:32:04,822
[Kaye] Right at the very beginning
of the interview,
594
00:32:04,889 --> 00:32:08,660
we talked about what John did
on a daily basis.
595
00:32:08,726 --> 00:32:11,462
Sean was foremost in his mind.
596
00:32:11,529 --> 00:32:14,098
[Lennon] My life revolves around Sean.
597
00:32:14,165 --> 00:32:16,067
And John was the one with Sean,
598
00:32:16,134 --> 00:32:18,970
and making sure that he ate the right food
599
00:32:19,037 --> 00:32:22,273
and didn't watch the wrong things on TV,
600
00:32:22,340 --> 00:32:24,108
and that sort of thing.
601
00:32:24,175 --> 00:32:27,178
So that was really pretty amazing to hear.
602
00:32:27,245 --> 00:32:29,380
Not what you would have expected.
603
00:32:29,447 --> 00:32:31,449
So you made this conscious decision
604
00:32:31,516 --> 00:32:34,719
to give yourself to your son,
to the relationship.
605
00:32:34,786 --> 00:32:37,021
[Lennon] And to learn from him, too.
606
00:32:37,088 --> 00:32:39,357
And I learned a lot from the child,
607
00:32:39,424 --> 00:32:41,859
because they're not hypocrites
and they're not phony.
608
00:32:41,926 --> 00:32:45,430
Then one day we sort of lying
down on the bed together,
609
00:32:45,496 --> 00:32:47,365
and he just sat up and said,
610
00:32:47,432 --> 00:32:49,467
"You know what I want to be
when I grow up?"
611
00:32:49,534 --> 00:32:51,035
I said, "No, what's that?"
612
00:32:51,102 --> 00:32:54,572
He looked me right in the eye
and said, "Just a daddy."
613
00:32:54,639 --> 00:32:57,041
[Kaye] Sean telling him
that when he grew up,
614
00:32:57,108 --> 00:32:59,711
he wanted to be "just a daddy,"
you know,
615
00:32:59,777 --> 00:33:01,846
which resonated with John.
616
00:33:01,913 --> 00:33:03,681
[Lennon] He caught me off guard there,
617
00:33:03,748 --> 00:33:06,084
because... "just a daddy."
618
00:33:06,150 --> 00:33:08,453
I said, "You mean you don't like it
619
00:33:08,519 --> 00:33:11,589
"that I'm working now, right,
and going out a lot?"
620
00:33:11,856 --> 00:33:13,024
He says, "Right."
621
00:33:13,091 --> 00:33:15,994
Because I hadn't been
in the studio for five years
622
00:33:16,060 --> 00:33:19,464
or whatever, so he's used to me
being around all the time.
623
00:33:23,401 --> 00:33:27,705
[Sholin] We had spent three and half hours
together at the Dakota,
624
00:33:27,772 --> 00:33:31,275
talking about everything
from music to politics.
625
00:33:31,342 --> 00:33:33,344
[Lennon] I still believe in love, peace.
626
00:33:33,411 --> 00:33:36,781
I still believe in positive thinking
when I can do it.
627
00:33:36,848 --> 00:33:40,318
I'm not always positive,
but when I am, I try and project it.
628
00:33:40,885 --> 00:33:42,453
[Sholin] He had just turned 40.
629
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,490
As he said, this is like
he's opening up a new chapter.
630
00:33:45,556 --> 00:33:47,392
That was the mood of the day,
631
00:33:47,458 --> 00:33:50,628
and he could not have been more upbeat.
632
00:33:50,695 --> 00:33:52,463
[Lennon] And we're going
into an unknown future,
633
00:33:52,530 --> 00:33:53,998
but we're still all here.
634
00:33:54,065 --> 00:33:56,501
We still--
While there's life, there's hope.
635
00:33:56,567 --> 00:33:59,070
[Sholin] When I hear that quote
play in my head,
636
00:33:59,137 --> 00:34:02,106
knowing what happened
in the events of that day...
637
00:34:03,708 --> 00:34:05,443
it stops me in my tracks.
638
00:34:15,019 --> 00:34:17,622
[Connelly] On December 8, 1980,
639
00:34:17,688 --> 00:34:22,060
John Lennon is continuing to do press
for his album Double Fantasy
640
00:34:22,126 --> 00:34:25,930
with this RKO radio interview
that was considerably extensive.
641
00:34:27,465 --> 00:34:30,968
[Kaye] The end of the interview,
after the tape machine was turned off,
642
00:34:31,035 --> 00:34:34,539
we still managed to talk
for a while about things.
643
00:34:34,605 --> 00:34:37,909
And I had brought along
a copy of Grapefruit,
644
00:34:37,975 --> 00:34:41,212
which was Yoko's book of poetry.
645
00:34:41,279 --> 00:34:44,715
And they were, "Oh, let us autograph that.
Let us sign it for you."
646
00:34:44,782 --> 00:34:47,185
And, of course, I was thrilled.
647
00:34:47,251 --> 00:34:48,786
Thank you. It does mean a lot.
648
00:34:48,853 --> 00:34:50,188
[Lennon] Oh, it's a pleasure.
649
00:34:50,254 --> 00:34:52,957
You know, I'm a fan of people, too,
you know?
650
00:34:53,024 --> 00:34:55,560
I like people to sign their books
when they give them to me
651
00:34:55,626 --> 00:34:56,828
and all that.
652
00:34:58,963 --> 00:35:00,298
[Sholin] We packed up our gear
653
00:35:00,364 --> 00:35:03,167
and we went down to the front
of the Dakota.
654
00:35:03,234 --> 00:35:07,805
[Kaye] And I remember stepping outside
and being a little chilly.
655
00:35:07,872 --> 00:35:09,874
The sun was out,
656
00:35:09,941 --> 00:35:11,976
but it was still kind of cold.
657
00:35:12,777 --> 00:35:16,514
[Womack] Paul Goresh, who was
an amateur photographer, taking photos.
658
00:35:17,081 --> 00:35:19,150
[car horn honks]
659
00:35:19,217 --> 00:35:22,487
And all of a sudden,
guess who shows up?
660
00:35:23,788 --> 00:35:25,356
[Womack] John and Yoko walk up.
661
00:35:25,423 --> 00:35:27,191
They're waiting for their limo,
662
00:35:27,258 --> 00:35:28,726
and it's not there.
663
00:35:28,793 --> 00:35:30,528
And they're a little perturbed.
664
00:35:30,595 --> 00:35:35,066
The limo wasn't waiting for them
to take them to the studio
665
00:35:35,133 --> 00:35:36,234
as it should have been.
666
00:35:36,300 --> 00:35:38,970
And so, John hung around
the curbside for a while.
667
00:35:39,570 --> 00:35:41,873
[Womack] John walked out, he said,
"Where are all my fans?"
668
00:35:41,939 --> 00:35:43,541
It was a little quiet.
669
00:35:43,608 --> 00:35:45,576
Well, there were a few there.
670
00:35:45,643 --> 00:35:47,945
[Kaye] There was one character,
671
00:35:48,012 --> 00:35:51,582
one of those Beatle fans
standing on the sidewalk,
672
00:35:51,649 --> 00:35:54,819
who was bugging them for an autograph.
673
00:35:57,421 --> 00:36:00,758
[Norman] And this young man
came up to John
674
00:36:00,825 --> 00:36:05,630
and thrust a copy of the
Double Fantasy album at him
675
00:36:05,696 --> 00:36:07,198
without saying anything.
676
00:36:07,732 --> 00:36:09,734
And John said,
"Oh, do you want me to sign this?"
677
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,670
John signs it, "John Lennon, 1980."
678
00:36:12,737 --> 00:36:14,972
Says, "Is this what you want?"
679
00:36:15,039 --> 00:36:17,041
Hands it back to him,
and as he's signing it,
680
00:36:17,108 --> 00:36:19,810
Goresh takes this photo of them.
681
00:36:20,144 --> 00:36:21,279
[car horn honks]
682
00:36:21,379 --> 00:36:24,282
[Sholin] Their car hadn't arrived.
Ours was there.
683
00:36:24,348 --> 00:36:28,986
[Womack] Dave and his crew offer to give
John and Yoko a lift to the Record Plant.
684
00:36:29,587 --> 00:36:31,422
[Kaye] Then they got into the limo
685
00:36:31,489 --> 00:36:35,359
and went off to the studio with our team.
686
00:36:35,426 --> 00:36:38,362
And I stood there on the sidewalk
687
00:36:38,429 --> 00:36:40,865
just sort of savoring the moment
688
00:36:40,932 --> 00:36:43,935
and remembering the last three hours.
689
00:36:44,001 --> 00:36:47,538
And as I did, that same character
690
00:36:47,605 --> 00:36:50,841
kept bugging me
and kept confronting me.
691
00:36:50,908 --> 00:36:53,211
"Did you talk to him?
Did you get his autograph?
692
00:36:53,277 --> 00:36:55,012
"What'd he say?
Did you talk to him?"
693
00:36:55,079 --> 00:36:57,181
He kept repeating it over and over.
694
00:36:57,248 --> 00:37:01,385
And I backed off,
and he kept coming towards me.
695
00:37:01,452 --> 00:37:04,522
There was something wrong
with this human being.
696
00:37:14,932 --> 00:37:16,901
[Douglas] He said, "Yoko's got this song.
697
00:37:16,968 --> 00:37:19,704
"She's got this poem called,
'Walking On Thin Ice,'
698
00:37:19,770 --> 00:37:21,706
"and I think it's a hit.
699
00:37:21,806 --> 00:37:24,141
"And I want to make something out of it."
700
00:37:25,409 --> 00:37:27,144
[Womack] They're excited
about this new song.
701
00:37:27,211 --> 00:37:30,881
John, in fact, has been listening to it
nonstop all weekend.
702
00:37:30,948 --> 00:37:33,517
He is in love with this tune
703
00:37:33,584 --> 00:37:35,653
and ready to get back to work
at the studio.
704
00:37:36,187 --> 00:37:39,523
[Douglas] It was myself, John and Yoko.
705
00:37:39,590 --> 00:37:42,093
We were just having a blast
making this track
706
00:37:42,159 --> 00:37:45,696
out of a loop which became,
"Walking on Thin Ice."
707
00:37:45,763 --> 00:37:49,100
And then Yoko did
this great poem that she'd--
708
00:37:49,166 --> 00:37:52,637
Spoken word over it
with this little song...
709
00:38:03,748 --> 00:38:07,485
[Douglas] He was sure that this song,
"Walking on Thin Ice,"
710
00:38:07,551 --> 00:38:10,655
was going to open up
a new world for Yoko.
711
00:38:11,756 --> 00:38:15,126
Yoko said,
"Do you want to go to the Stage Deli?"
712
00:38:15,192 --> 00:38:18,162
But John wanted to go back
to the Dakota building
713
00:38:18,229 --> 00:38:21,532
to say good night to his son Sean
before he went to sleep.
714
00:38:21,599 --> 00:38:24,035
[Douglas] We finished that night,
715
00:38:24,101 --> 00:38:26,771
and we said we were going to come in
716
00:38:26,837 --> 00:38:31,242
and master the single
the next morning.
717
00:38:31,309 --> 00:38:32,977
Both John and Yoko were thrilled.
718
00:38:33,044 --> 00:38:35,413
They loved the way it came out.
719
00:38:35,479 --> 00:38:36,747
It was perfect.
720
00:38:36,814 --> 00:38:38,949
It couldn't be any better that night.
721
00:38:40,084 --> 00:38:41,552
The future looked great.
722
00:38:41,619 --> 00:38:45,656
And so, I walked them
to the elevator and went home.
723
00:38:47,458 --> 00:38:49,994
And somebody was waiting
for him there.
724
00:38:56,033 --> 00:38:57,902
[Norman] And when they returned,
725
00:38:57,968 --> 00:38:59,570
John got out of the car.
726
00:38:59,637 --> 00:39:00,805
[car door slams]
727
00:39:00,871 --> 00:39:04,108
[Womack] Yoko walks first,
is ahead of him by a few paces.
728
00:39:04,642 --> 00:39:06,410
And John follows.
729
00:39:06,477 --> 00:39:11,382
And he glances at a fellow
in the shadows briefly.
730
00:39:14,251 --> 00:39:17,188
And the young man came out of
the shadows and called his name.
731
00:39:17,254 --> 00:39:21,625
And it's the fan from earlier,
the one who wordlessly had the autograph
732
00:39:21,692 --> 00:39:24,061
signed for him on the cover
of Double Fantasy.
733
00:39:25,830 --> 00:39:28,666
There's a woman in the Dakota
whose apartment's above the courtyard,
734
00:39:28,733 --> 00:39:31,268
and she heard the sound
of the gunshots wafting through...
735
00:39:31,335 --> 00:39:32,970
[gunshots]
736
00:39:34,538 --> 00:39:37,975
...the seven, eight, ten stories
of the Dakota courtyard,
737
00:39:38,042 --> 00:39:39,777
which amplified the sound.
738
00:39:42,246 --> 00:39:45,850
[Herb Frauenberger] We were just getting
ready to leave the precinct to go out,
739
00:39:45,916 --> 00:39:48,953
and a radio run came over.
740
00:39:49,019 --> 00:39:51,655
[Palma] Shots fired at 1 West 72nd Street.
741
00:39:51,722 --> 00:39:53,524
[siren blares]
742
00:39:53,591 --> 00:39:56,594
So we immediately started
to proceed towards there.
743
00:39:56,660 --> 00:40:00,030
[Frauenberger] I observed a male
laying straight out
744
00:40:00,097 --> 00:40:01,932
with his arms outstretched,
745
00:40:01,999 --> 00:40:05,569
as if he was running and tripped or fell.
746
00:40:05,636 --> 00:40:06,937
[Palma] There was a woman.
747
00:40:07,004 --> 00:40:09,440
She kind of had him straddled,
and she was in shock,
748
00:40:09,507 --> 00:40:10,975
and it was Yoko Ono.
749
00:40:19,650 --> 00:40:21,385
[Peter Cullen]
My partner and I were parked
750
00:40:21,452 --> 00:40:24,321
at 72nd Street and Amsterdam Avenue,
751
00:40:24,388 --> 00:40:27,391
and a call came over
of possible shots fired
752
00:40:27,458 --> 00:40:29,226
in the vicinity of the Dakota.
753
00:40:29,293 --> 00:40:31,128
We were the first two cops on the scene.
754
00:40:31,195 --> 00:40:35,065
[woman] They stepped out of the limousine
and they went inside the gate there.
755
00:40:35,132 --> 00:40:37,802
Then, all of a sudden,
I heard five, six shots and that was it.
756
00:40:39,670 --> 00:40:43,073
[Cullen] Going across the street,
there was a fellow running towards me.
757
00:40:43,140 --> 00:40:46,143
And he said, "Officer, be careful.
There's a guy shooting a gun in there."
758
00:40:46,210 --> 00:40:49,447
My whole life went in front of me
in about four seconds.
759
00:40:49,513 --> 00:40:52,116
You know, we have to get in there
and stop this thing.
760
00:40:52,183 --> 00:40:53,651
It was at about a few seconds later
761
00:40:53,717 --> 00:40:56,954
that Herb Frauenberger
and Tony Palma arrived.
762
00:40:58,155 --> 00:41:00,357
Then we saw bullet holes in the glass.
763
00:41:01,125 --> 00:41:03,394
So now we realize it's--
This is real.
764
00:41:05,596 --> 00:41:07,298
[Cullen] Well, the doorman,
José told me.
765
00:41:07,364 --> 00:41:08,866
He said, "Him, the guy in the overcoat."
766
00:41:08,933 --> 00:41:10,201
He could've been a banker.
767
00:41:10,267 --> 00:41:11,836
He'd probably be the last one
768
00:41:11,902 --> 00:41:14,104
you'd think is going to pull out
a gun and shoot you.
769
00:41:14,171 --> 00:41:17,408
[Frauenberger] He had a copy
of The Catcher in the Rye.
770
00:41:17,475 --> 00:41:18,943
Steve threw him against the wall.
771
00:41:19,009 --> 00:41:21,946
He was actually reading the book.
He had dropped his gun.
772
00:41:25,382 --> 00:41:27,618
He said, "I'm sorry I ruined your night."
773
00:41:27,685 --> 00:41:29,119
I says, "You ruined my night?"
774
00:41:29,186 --> 00:41:31,822
I says, "Do you know you
just ruined your whole life?"
775
00:41:31,889 --> 00:41:34,959
So then he started talking
about a big man inside of me
776
00:41:35,025 --> 00:41:36,560
and a little man inside of me.
777
00:41:36,627 --> 00:41:39,497
"Tonight," he said,
"the little man won the battle."
778
00:41:42,233 --> 00:41:46,303
[Palma] John Lennon was shot
with a five-shot .38 caliber,
779
00:41:46,370 --> 00:41:47,705
snub-nosed revolver,
780
00:41:47,771 --> 00:41:51,008
kind of like an off-duty gun
we used to carry.
781
00:41:51,075 --> 00:41:53,944
[reporter] Patrolman Palma, what happened
when you responded to the call?
782
00:41:54,011 --> 00:41:56,080
He informed me that somebody
had been shot at the scene,
783
00:41:56,146 --> 00:41:57,715
and I asked them where he was,
784
00:41:57,781 --> 00:41:59,717
and they directed me into the office.
785
00:41:59,783 --> 00:42:01,819
I ran into the office,
786
00:42:01,886 --> 00:42:06,423
and there was a man laying on the floor
with his wife standing over him.
787
00:42:06,490 --> 00:42:07,958
Did you know who it was?
788
00:42:08,025 --> 00:42:09,793
Not at that time, no.
789
00:42:09,860 --> 00:42:11,295
He was laying facedown.
790
00:42:11,362 --> 00:42:14,064
And me and Herbie turned him over,
791
00:42:14,131 --> 00:42:16,567
and he was bleeding from the mouth.
792
00:42:16,634 --> 00:42:18,936
A lot of blood from the chest.
793
00:42:19,003 --> 00:42:21,105
[Frauenberger] At that point,
he was still alive.
794
00:42:21,171 --> 00:42:25,109
And when I saw his face, I said,
"I know this guy from someplace."
795
00:42:25,175 --> 00:42:26,510
But I couldn't put it together.
796
00:42:26,577 --> 00:42:28,178
And it was like, all of a sudden,
797
00:42:28,245 --> 00:42:31,549
a voice from behind me says,
"That's John Lennon."
798
00:42:31,615 --> 00:42:33,584
And then, of course, I realized it.
799
00:42:33,651 --> 00:42:35,753
I said, "Holy smokes,
this is John Lennon."
800
00:42:35,819 --> 00:42:38,455
So Tony said,
"No, that's not John Lennon."
801
00:42:38,522 --> 00:42:41,892
I said-- I looked at Tony, I said,
"Tony, this is John Lennon. Believe me."
802
00:42:46,063 --> 00:42:48,198
They put John in the back of a police car.
803
00:42:48,265 --> 00:42:50,568
You just can't stand by
and wait for an ambulance.
804
00:42:50,634 --> 00:42:52,803
We picked him up, legs and arms,
805
00:42:52,870 --> 00:42:54,939
and we carried him
probably 50 yards, maybe.
806
00:42:55,005 --> 00:42:56,340
[reporter] Where was he shot?
807
00:42:56,407 --> 00:42:59,810
Right going into the vestibule
of the Dakota where the cars drive in.
808
00:42:59,877 --> 00:43:03,681
[Frauenberger] We put John
in the back of the car facedown
809
00:43:03,747 --> 00:43:07,217
so that the blood coming out
of his lungs wouldn't choke him.
810
00:43:07,284 --> 00:43:09,787
He didn't look very good.
He got shot at least four times.
811
00:43:09,853 --> 00:43:11,021
[Frauenberger]
I closed the door.
812
00:43:11,088 --> 00:43:13,090
I said, "Jimmy,
Roosevelt as quick as possible.
813
00:43:13,157 --> 00:43:15,225
"As you can see,
he's not in really good shape."
814
00:43:15,292 --> 00:43:17,494
And then Yoko tried to get in,
815
00:43:17,561 --> 00:43:20,764
but, you know, he was laid
across the back seat.
816
00:43:20,831 --> 00:43:24,935
So I just grabbed her and I says,
"Come on, I'll take you in our car."
817
00:43:26,837 --> 00:43:28,005
She was in shock.
818
00:43:28,072 --> 00:43:29,607
She kept saying,
"Is he going to all right?
819
00:43:29,673 --> 00:43:31,141
"Is he going to be all right?"
820
00:43:31,208 --> 00:43:33,210
And I was driving, and Herbie was--
821
00:43:33,277 --> 00:43:35,346
He was trying to calm her down.
822
00:43:35,412 --> 00:43:38,849
I'm thinking,
"This is not going to be good."
823
00:43:38,916 --> 00:43:42,152
In 1980, I was the night
assistant head nurse
824
00:43:42,219 --> 00:43:44,722
in the emergency room
at Roosevelt Hospital.
825
00:43:44,788 --> 00:43:49,093
I worked the 4:00 to 12:00 shift
back in the '70s to '80s.
826
00:43:49,159 --> 00:43:50,694
I answered the call,
827
00:43:50,761 --> 00:43:53,430
and I was only told
we were getting a shooting,
828
00:43:53,497 --> 00:43:56,100
brought in by police car, 20th Precinct.
829
00:43:56,867 --> 00:44:00,804
[Frauenberger] If we would've got
on the radio and said who it was,
830
00:44:00,871 --> 00:44:03,273
that word would have spread like wildfire.
831
00:44:03,340 --> 00:44:05,576
[Kammerer] It was a straight shooting.
832
00:44:05,643 --> 00:44:07,778
Young, healthy, white male.
833
00:44:07,845 --> 00:44:10,080
It was kind of routine, I guess.
834
00:44:10,147 --> 00:44:13,550
I paged the chief surgical resident.
835
00:44:13,617 --> 00:44:14,852
It was Dr. Halleran.
836
00:44:14,918 --> 00:44:17,287
So I go running down to the ER.
And I said, "What's going on?"
837
00:44:17,354 --> 00:44:19,590
They said, "We have a gunshot
wound to the chest coming in."
838
00:44:21,892 --> 00:44:26,163
[Weiss] So it was the night
of December 8th, 1980.
839
00:44:26,230 --> 00:44:27,965
I was on a motorcycle.
840
00:44:28,032 --> 00:44:29,299
I was in Central Park.
841
00:44:29,366 --> 00:44:33,971
And I literally got slammed by a taxi.
842
00:44:34,038 --> 00:44:38,208
I ended up in an ambulance that
took me to Roosevelt Hospital.
843
00:44:38,275 --> 00:44:41,745
So he was in the hallway,
which was not unusual,
844
00:44:41,812 --> 00:44:44,214
because we always had people
in the hallway,
845
00:44:44,281 --> 00:44:45,883
because it was a small ER.
846
00:44:45,949 --> 00:44:48,619
[Weiss] And I was lying in the hallway
847
00:44:48,686 --> 00:44:51,488
when, suddenly,
the doors slammed open behind me
848
00:44:51,555 --> 00:44:53,223
and someone came running in screaming,
849
00:44:53,290 --> 00:44:55,359
"We have a gunshot. Gunshot in the chest.
850
00:44:55,426 --> 00:44:56,927
"It's hitting the door right now."
851
00:44:56,994 --> 00:44:59,163
And they bring this person
852
00:44:59,229 --> 00:45:02,833
literally into the room
that I am lying outside of.
853
00:45:05,102 --> 00:45:09,006
[Sato] We took him to a room
that we called our Minor OR.
854
00:45:09,073 --> 00:45:11,975
It was set up with all
the equipment that we needed
855
00:45:12,042 --> 00:45:13,577
to take care of any shooting.
856
00:45:13,644 --> 00:45:15,412
So we had someone
with four entrance wounds
857
00:45:15,479 --> 00:45:16,747
in his left chest,
858
00:45:16,814 --> 00:45:18,816
and three exit wounds at his back.
859
00:45:18,882 --> 00:45:22,019
And we just jumped on him.
The nurses and the nurse anesthetist.
860
00:45:22,086 --> 00:45:24,254
Someone put a tube in his throat
to breathe for him.
861
00:45:24,321 --> 00:45:26,824
Other people were with scissors
cutting off his clothes.
862
00:45:28,025 --> 00:45:32,262
He was wearing his bomber jacket
with a little fur collar.
863
00:45:32,830 --> 00:45:35,332
And he immediately opened the chest,
864
00:45:35,399 --> 00:45:39,837
grabbed the scalpel, made the cut,
and he had his hands in his chest.
865
00:45:39,903 --> 00:45:41,071
It was just all blood.
866
00:45:41,138 --> 00:45:43,674
His thoracic cavity
was just full of blood.
867
00:45:43,741 --> 00:45:44,842
His heart was flat,
868
00:45:44,908 --> 00:45:47,277
meaning that there was no blood
running through it.
869
00:45:47,344 --> 00:45:50,214
And I am looking into the room.
All his clothes had been taken off.
870
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:52,416
He's lying with his feet towards me.
871
00:45:52,716 --> 00:45:54,184
His chest is open.
872
00:45:54,251 --> 00:45:56,987
Medical staff is around him
in a semicircle.
873
00:45:57,054 --> 00:46:00,457
They were literally trying
to pump his heart manually
874
00:46:00,524 --> 00:46:02,392
to keep the blood flowing.
875
00:46:04,495 --> 00:46:06,730
And I begin to hear crying.
876
00:46:06,797 --> 00:46:11,602
And there is an Asian woman
in a mink coat coming in,
877
00:46:11,668 --> 00:46:16,807
sobbing on the arms of a big
leather-jacketed police officer.
878
00:46:16,874 --> 00:46:18,275
They didn't bring in a corpse.
879
00:46:18,342 --> 00:46:20,611
They brought in a mortally wounded person.
880
00:46:20,677 --> 00:46:22,980
He's either not going to make it,
or he's...
881
00:46:23,046 --> 00:46:25,649
maybe he's got a small chance
of making it.
882
00:46:29,787 --> 00:46:31,789
[police siren wailing]
883
00:46:38,796 --> 00:46:43,634
[Kaye] What happened the night
of December 8, 1980, was...
884
00:46:46,336 --> 00:46:47,738
unimaginable.
885
00:46:47,805 --> 00:46:52,309
The emotion was so high in me, I just...
886
00:46:53,811 --> 00:46:57,347
like now,
it's like reliving it all over again.
887
00:46:58,649 --> 00:47:00,250
[Kammerer] Everything with that night,
888
00:47:00,317 --> 00:47:03,253
I remember it crystal clear.
889
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:05,556
[Halleran] It was like a rugby scrum.
890
00:47:05,622 --> 00:47:06,924
This is going on simultaneously.
891
00:47:06,990 --> 00:47:08,625
And we get into a rhythm,
pumping his heart.
892
00:47:08,692 --> 00:47:10,494
[Kammerer] It was,
this is what we have to do.
893
00:47:10,561 --> 00:47:14,431
You work on everybody thinking
they are going to survive,
894
00:47:14,498 --> 00:47:17,701
until the time comes
where you know they can't.
895
00:47:20,304 --> 00:47:22,039
[Halleran] And around this time,
someone said,
896
00:47:22,105 --> 00:47:23,707
"Hey, that looks like John Lennon."
897
00:47:24,608 --> 00:47:26,610
[heart monitor beeping]
898
00:47:27,511 --> 00:47:29,179
I think my heart stopped.
899
00:47:29,246 --> 00:47:31,515
Now it's not just opening up
anyone's chest.
900
00:47:31,582 --> 00:47:33,717
You pause for a second, but you're still--
901
00:47:33,784 --> 00:47:37,154
You're mid-resuscitation,
so you don't-- You don't stop.
902
00:47:37,221 --> 00:47:39,890
Since he was so famous,
I had to get security,
903
00:47:39,957 --> 00:47:41,558
had to block the entrances.
904
00:47:41,625 --> 00:47:45,128
I had to notify hospital administration.
905
00:47:50,334 --> 00:47:54,071
My wife came into the studio in tears
906
00:47:54,137 --> 00:47:58,408
and said, "You, you have to come up
to Roosevelt Hospital. John's been shot."
907
00:47:58,475 --> 00:48:00,911
[reporter] Shortly after Lennon arrives,
some friends arrived,
908
00:48:00,978 --> 00:48:03,146
including record producer Jack Douglas,
909
00:48:03,213 --> 00:48:05,883
who had been recording with Lennon
earlier that evening.
910
00:48:05,949 --> 00:48:09,286
[Douglas] It just sounded impossible.
911
00:48:09,953 --> 00:48:12,189
-Please tell someone I'm here.
-He is the closest to them.
912
00:48:12,256 --> 00:48:14,358
He just left me five minutes ago
before he went home.
913
00:48:14,424 --> 00:48:15,425
[man] Hold on, Miss.
914
00:48:15,492 --> 00:48:17,227
This is his best friend.
This is her best friend.
915
00:48:17,294 --> 00:48:18,362
She needs somebody right now.
916
00:48:19,263 --> 00:48:21,398
And I was in shock.
917
00:48:30,641 --> 00:48:32,276
End of story.
918
00:48:34,711 --> 00:48:38,448
[Weiss] I'm lying there,
my eyes are closed, my head hurts.
919
00:48:38,515 --> 00:48:39,917
And these two officers come out.
920
00:48:39,983 --> 00:48:44,087
And one says to the other,
"Can you believe it? John Lennon."
921
00:48:44,154 --> 00:48:46,156
I open my eyes and I look up.
922
00:48:46,223 --> 00:48:49,426
I said, "Excuse me, officer,
what did you say?"
923
00:48:49,493 --> 00:48:54,197
And he kept pulling himself up the wall
924
00:48:54,264 --> 00:48:56,566
to look in the room.
925
00:48:56,633 --> 00:48:59,369
[Sato] And that's when
one of the security guards told me,
926
00:48:59,436 --> 00:49:00,904
"Do you know who this is?"
927
00:49:00,971 --> 00:49:03,640
And I went, "Well, Mr. Weiss."
928
00:49:03,707 --> 00:49:07,144
And they went, "He's a reporter."
929
00:49:10,047 --> 00:49:13,016
[Weiss] In 1980,
I was the program producer
930
00:49:13,083 --> 00:49:17,020
for Channel 7 Eyewitness News's
6:00 program.
931
00:49:17,087 --> 00:49:20,123
I have to have that piece, all right?
932
00:49:20,190 --> 00:49:22,626
As a news producer,
you're responsible for,
933
00:49:22,693 --> 00:49:25,062
you know,
deciding what stories go on the air
934
00:49:25,128 --> 00:49:27,097
and making sure that your
stories are accurate.
935
00:49:27,164 --> 00:49:31,368
I went, "Oh, [bleep],
get him out of this hallway fast."
936
00:49:31,435 --> 00:49:33,637
How did he end up in the ER that night,
937
00:49:33,704 --> 00:49:35,639
when any other night
would have just been a boring,
938
00:49:35,706 --> 00:49:37,741
you know, several-hour wait in an ER?
939
00:49:40,410 --> 00:49:44,448
[Weiss] I really wasn't sure
that I heard "John Lennon."
940
00:49:44,514 --> 00:49:45,716
And who would believe it anyway?
941
00:49:45,782 --> 00:49:47,985
Who would think that lying in the hospital
942
00:49:48,051 --> 00:49:51,054
that a person brought in with, quote,
"gunshots to the chest,"
943
00:49:51,121 --> 00:49:53,523
could possibly be a member
944
00:49:53,590 --> 00:49:56,827
of the most famous musical group
in history?
945
00:49:56,893 --> 00:49:59,696
[reporter] He was stalked,
followed inside the archway,
946
00:49:59,763 --> 00:50:03,133
and shot in a small vestibule
by a lone gunman.
947
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:05,702
Gave him his rights,
we recovered the weapon,
948
00:50:05,769 --> 00:50:07,938
got the names of the witnesses,
949
00:50:08,005 --> 00:50:11,108
and made sure
we had all our ducks in a row.
950
00:50:11,174 --> 00:50:13,343
[reporter] Was he disheveled?
What did he look like?
951
00:50:13,410 --> 00:50:16,413
I said before, I believe he was calm.
952
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:20,150
Inside the precinct,
there were a zillion detectives.
953
00:50:20,217 --> 00:50:24,121
He was there on Saturday
asking about Mr. Lennon.
954
00:50:24,187 --> 00:50:27,691
He was there on Sunday
asking about Mr. Lennon.
955
00:50:27,758 --> 00:50:29,393
And he was there again this afternoon.
956
00:50:29,459 --> 00:50:31,028
[Cullen] He was a fan, obviously.
957
00:50:31,094 --> 00:50:33,530
And I couldn't figure out
what would possess him to shoot.
958
00:50:33,597 --> 00:50:36,800
What drives people
to put five slugs in a guy?
959
00:50:36,867 --> 00:50:38,502
I don't know.
I can't answer that.
960
00:50:41,004 --> 00:50:45,308
[Kaye] Why didn't I know enough
to say to the security guard,
961
00:50:45,375 --> 00:50:47,377
"You shouldn't let him stay here"?
962
00:50:47,444 --> 00:50:50,447
To this day, I can't get over that.
963
00:50:50,514 --> 00:50:52,049
[Loder] You know,
there's always somebody
964
00:50:52,115 --> 00:50:53,850
that wants to take into themselves
965
00:50:53,917 --> 00:50:56,319
that fame and that creativity
that you have,
966
00:50:56,386 --> 00:50:57,888
and there's no other way they can do it.
967
00:50:57,954 --> 00:51:00,891
And the closest they can come
is by consuming you.
968
00:51:00,957 --> 00:51:02,626
[indistinct chattering]
969
00:51:02,692 --> 00:51:04,661
[Weiss] So I know it sounds
a little bloodthirsty.
970
00:51:04,728 --> 00:51:08,265
No, I don't think any
professional as a journalist
971
00:51:08,331 --> 00:51:13,437
would not feel that they had not
done the job to the best of their ability
972
00:51:13,503 --> 00:51:16,973
if they didn't do everything
they possibly could to get the word out.
973
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:19,910
[Sato] His reporter instincts
went on high.
974
00:51:19,976 --> 00:51:23,280
He was a reporter,
and that's what reporters do.
975
00:51:23,346 --> 00:51:26,383
But he was the plague
of my existence that night.
976
00:51:26,450 --> 00:51:28,251
[Weiss] So I got up,
977
00:51:28,318 --> 00:51:31,822
and I was able to hop on one foot.
978
00:51:32,289 --> 00:51:36,860
I get all the way down the hallway,
and this voice says, "Where you going?"
979
00:51:36,927 --> 00:51:40,831
And I said, "Could you please
just let me make a phone call?"
980
00:51:40,897 --> 00:51:44,534
Hands me the phone,
and I call Channel 7 Eyewitness News.
981
00:51:44,601 --> 00:51:48,572
And I said, "I know I banged my head,
but listen to me.
982
00:51:48,638 --> 00:51:52,142
"I believe John Lennon
may have been shot."
983
00:51:53,143 --> 00:51:55,312
And the assignment editor says to me,
984
00:51:55,378 --> 00:52:00,484
"I heard a call for an ambulance
to 72nd and Central Park West.
985
00:52:00,550 --> 00:52:03,019
"That's where the Dakota is."
I said, "That's it.
986
00:52:03,086 --> 00:52:04,754
"That's the third piece of the puzzle."
987
00:52:04,821 --> 00:52:06,690
I've heard the name John Lennon.
988
00:52:06,756 --> 00:52:10,327
I've seen an Asian woman
who now I'm pretty sure is Yoko Ono.
989
00:52:10,393 --> 00:52:12,629
And you're telling me there was
a call for an ambulance
990
00:52:12,696 --> 00:52:14,264
at 72nd Street and Central Park West?
991
00:52:14,331 --> 00:52:15,932
Get over here as soon as possible.
992
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:19,402
[Halleran] We worked on him
for about 45 minutes.
993
00:52:19,469 --> 00:52:21,605
Pulse, blood pressure.
He didn't wake up.
994
00:52:21,671 --> 00:52:24,174
And there was just a pall in the room.
995
00:52:24,241 --> 00:52:26,309
Everyone finally was like,
996
00:52:26,376 --> 00:52:29,179
"Oh, okay, this is John Lennon.
This is it."
997
00:52:29,246 --> 00:52:32,482
But at some point,
we're all in agreement this is done.
998
00:52:32,549 --> 00:52:34,518
[heart monitor beeping]
999
00:52:40,056 --> 00:52:43,293
I consider that my work won't be finished
until I am dead and buried
1000
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:44,961
and I hope that's a long, long time.
1001
00:52:45,462 --> 00:52:47,898
[Kaye] When John talked about death
1002
00:52:47,964 --> 00:52:52,936
or wishing that he had many,
many, many years left to go,
1003
00:52:53,003 --> 00:52:54,905
being hopeful about that,
1004
00:52:54,971 --> 00:52:58,775
that's the most poignant part
of the interview right there,
1005
00:52:58,842 --> 00:53:01,678
given the outcome of that day.
1006
00:53:02,012 --> 00:53:03,914
While there's life, there's hope.
1007
00:53:06,917 --> 00:53:10,053
[Weiss] I hear a shrill woman's
voice scream,
1008
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:12,656
and there is Yoko Ono
1009
00:53:12,722 --> 00:53:17,994
sobbing on the arms of
record producer David Geffen.
1010
00:53:18,628 --> 00:53:20,096
I get to the phone
1011
00:53:20,530 --> 00:53:22,132
and I said,
1012
00:53:22,599 --> 00:53:25,902
"I've got confirmation.
John Lennon is dead."
1013
00:53:29,372 --> 00:53:30,840
[Palma] I mean, the shot went out.
1014
00:53:30,907 --> 00:53:32,842
It was heard around the world
within an hour.
1015
00:53:32,909 --> 00:53:37,581
[Cosell] An unspeakable tragedy
confirmed to us by ABC News.
1016
00:53:38,582 --> 00:53:40,450
My mouth hung open.
1017
00:53:40,517 --> 00:53:41,685
My jaw dropped.
1018
00:53:50,327 --> 00:53:51,895
[Weiss] It's amazing what adrenaline is.
1019
00:53:51,962 --> 00:53:56,333
I feel no pain except
for the pounding in my head of,
1020
00:53:56,399 --> 00:53:59,236
I cannot believe that this
is actually happening.
1021
00:53:59,302 --> 00:54:03,940
So, I called local Channel 7
Eyewitness News.
1022
00:54:04,007 --> 00:54:07,277
The assignment editor
called ABC network
1023
00:54:07,344 --> 00:54:11,014
and reported that the producer
of the 6:00 news
1024
00:54:11,081 --> 00:54:12,716
is in Roosevelt Hospital,
1025
00:54:12,782 --> 00:54:16,820
and has gotten confirmation
that John Lennon is dead.
1026
00:54:18,521 --> 00:54:21,925
Monday Night Football was on.
I believe it was in overtime.
1027
00:54:27,530 --> 00:54:29,399
[Womack] Here's Howard Cosell realizing
1028
00:54:29,466 --> 00:54:33,203
that a story has just emerged
that's bigger than this football game.
1029
00:54:33,270 --> 00:54:35,805
And what are the news ethics
about doing it?
1030
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:43,179
[Cosell] I can't see this game situation
allowing for that news flash, can you?
1031
00:54:43,713 --> 00:54:45,148
[Gifford] Absolutely. I can see it.
1032
00:54:45,215 --> 00:54:47,550
-[Cosell] You can?
-You betcha.
1033
00:54:47,617 --> 00:54:49,452
If we know it, we’ve got to do it.
1034
00:54:49,519 --> 00:54:53,490
[Weis] Howard Cosell did not
want to report that,
1035
00:54:53,556 --> 00:54:56,393
but the head
of ABC Network News had said
1036
00:54:56,459 --> 00:54:58,662
this is information
that must be put on the air.
1037
00:54:58,728 --> 00:55:01,298
[Cosell] John Lennon,
outside of his apartment building
1038
00:55:01,364 --> 00:55:03,433
on the west side of New York City,
1039
00:55:03,500 --> 00:55:06,336
the most famous perhaps
all of the Beatles,
1040
00:55:06,403 --> 00:55:10,840
shot twice in the back,
rushed to Roosevelt Hospital.
1041
00:55:10,907 --> 00:55:13,209
Dead on arrival.
1042
00:55:14,144 --> 00:55:18,348
A kind of gasp was heard across
the nation when that happened.
1043
00:55:20,750 --> 00:55:24,654
[Cosell] Hard to go back to the game
after that news flash.
1044
00:55:24,721 --> 00:55:27,691
Think about all the other
musicians or celebrities
1045
00:55:27,757 --> 00:55:29,392
that you know who died.
1046
00:55:29,459 --> 00:55:34,364
Overdoses, suicide, accidents.
1047
00:55:34,831 --> 00:55:40,303
To be shot and murdered
by a fan outside your house,
1048
00:55:40,370 --> 00:55:43,006
coming home to put your son to bed.
1049
00:55:43,073 --> 00:55:44,774
I mean, it's a pretty...
1050
00:55:45,775 --> 00:55:48,678
unsettling story.
1051
00:55:49,612 --> 00:55:52,515
[Gruen] I was in my darkroom
developing pictures,
1052
00:55:52,582 --> 00:55:56,086
and a friend of mine called me,
actually, from California.
1053
00:55:56,152 --> 00:55:59,723
And he said, "I just heard on the radio
that John Lennon is dead."
1054
00:56:00,223 --> 00:56:01,458
And I remember hearing that
1055
00:56:01,558 --> 00:56:03,993
was the most permanent thing
I ever heard in my life.
1056
00:56:05,895 --> 00:56:08,798
[Kaye] I immediately went
to Roosevelt Hospital,
1057
00:56:08,865 --> 00:56:10,300
and when I got there,
1058
00:56:10,367 --> 00:56:13,436
I saw through the glass doors Yoko.
1059
00:56:13,503 --> 00:56:18,074
And I realized
she was holding somebody
1060
00:56:18,141 --> 00:56:20,677
and squeezing them so tight and in tears.
1061
00:56:20,744 --> 00:56:24,481
It was something I could feel,
his passing.
1062
00:56:26,783 --> 00:56:28,351
[David Geffen]
You know, all of a sudden,
1063
00:56:28,418 --> 00:56:31,388
everything can change
with the act of a maniac, you know.
1064
00:56:31,454 --> 00:56:36,259
John Lennon was alive, happy,
excited about his record,
1065
00:56:36,326 --> 00:56:38,661
and a minute later he was dead.
1066
00:56:39,396 --> 00:56:43,166
I was with Yoko at the hospital,
and I took her home that night.
1067
00:56:43,233 --> 00:56:46,169
[Frauenberger]
There is a photograph of myself
1068
00:56:46,236 --> 00:56:49,773
and Yoko and David Geffen
exiting the hospital.
1069
00:56:49,839 --> 00:56:52,609
And she was on her way back
to the Dakota.
1070
00:56:52,675 --> 00:56:55,078
The front of the place
was crawling with news people,
1071
00:56:55,145 --> 00:56:56,780
and a horror show.
1072
00:56:58,915 --> 00:57:02,051
There'd be crowds just waiting
to touch me, because I--
1073
00:57:02,118 --> 00:57:03,420
Because he died in my arms.
1074
00:57:03,787 --> 00:57:06,289
[Sato] I needed a police escort
to get out.
1075
00:57:06,356 --> 00:57:08,024
And I walked out and, unfortunately,
1076
00:57:08,091 --> 00:57:10,593
my pants were covered in blood,
1077
00:57:10,660 --> 00:57:12,228
the bottom of my white pants.
1078
00:57:12,295 --> 00:57:15,598
And I had some idiot in the street yell
1079
00:57:15,665 --> 00:57:18,568
that he would offer me
$500 for my pants.
1080
00:57:19,269 --> 00:57:23,072
[reporter] There were extensive
resuscitation efforts that were made,
1081
00:57:23,139 --> 00:57:24,808
but none of them did any good.
1082
00:57:24,874 --> 00:57:26,643
There were transfusions
that were attempted.
1083
00:57:26,709 --> 00:57:28,178
None of them were able
to save his life.
1084
00:57:28,244 --> 00:57:30,046
There's no way to change that.
1085
00:57:30,113 --> 00:57:31,448
There's no way to fix that.
1086
00:57:31,514 --> 00:57:33,149
There's no way to make it better.
1087
00:57:33,216 --> 00:57:36,186
And I remember just kind
of sinking down to the floor.
1088
00:57:36,252 --> 00:57:38,721
And then the phone started
ringing some more.
1089
00:57:39,489 --> 00:57:41,758
And then I realized that
the whole world was watching.
1090
00:57:41,825 --> 00:57:44,260
Late this evening,
one of the world's great entertainers
1091
00:57:44,327 --> 00:57:47,030
and musicians,
John Lennon of the Beatles,
1092
00:57:47,096 --> 00:57:49,599
was shot outside his New York home.
1093
00:57:49,666 --> 00:57:53,903
I thought, "How could something
like that happen in my city?"
1094
00:57:53,970 --> 00:57:55,638
You know, I was...
1095
00:57:56,606 --> 00:57:58,341
I was heartbroken.
1096
00:57:58,408 --> 00:57:59,843
Nobody knew what to make of it.
1097
00:57:59,909 --> 00:58:02,745
Like, people having no idea
what to think.
1098
00:58:02,812 --> 00:58:05,715
And then immediately
wanting to turn to...
1099
00:58:07,250 --> 00:58:10,753
of all things,
turn to John Lennon for solace.
1100
00:58:11,387 --> 00:58:13,623
[Connelly] Fans of every description
1101
00:58:13,690 --> 00:58:17,494
converged upon
72nd and Central Park West.
1102
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:20,663
[Mitchell] And I remember
being touched by all that.
1103
00:58:21,865 --> 00:58:24,534
My primary role at that time
1104
00:58:24,601 --> 00:58:27,203
was to be present for Yoko.
1105
00:58:28,972 --> 00:58:31,274
She was inconsolable.
1106
00:58:32,775 --> 00:58:35,378
We both heard the sounds
1107
00:58:35,445 --> 00:58:39,482
of the children singing from the street.
1108
00:58:46,456 --> 00:58:48,091
[Ted Koppel]
The vigil outside the building
1109
00:58:48,157 --> 00:58:50,493
where John Lennon
and Yoko Ono made their home
1110
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:52,295
lasted into the night.
1111
00:58:52,362 --> 00:58:53,963
And she was inside, broken.
1112
00:58:54,030 --> 00:58:56,399
And having to listen to these people
1113
00:58:56,466 --> 00:58:59,369
outside her apartment
singing John's music.
1114
00:58:59,435 --> 00:59:00,803
Couldn't escape it.
1115
00:59:00,870 --> 00:59:04,340
[Mintz] I got a call
from Roosevelt Hospital.
1116
00:59:04,407 --> 00:59:08,978
They were about to return
John's belongings.
1117
00:59:09,846 --> 00:59:13,283
His bloodied glasses...
1118
00:59:14,817 --> 00:59:16,386
and his wallet.
1119
00:59:17,053 --> 00:59:19,589
This was what was left of John...
1120
00:59:22,191 --> 00:59:23,993
in this brown paper bag.
1121
00:59:24,928 --> 00:59:26,062
Oh, gosh.
1122
00:59:27,230 --> 00:59:29,832
Why would anyone want to do this
to John Lennon?
1123
00:59:29,899 --> 00:59:31,167
[Palma] I said to him,
1124
00:59:31,234 --> 00:59:34,103
"Do you realize
what you have done here?"
1125
00:59:34,170 --> 00:59:36,839
And he looked at me and he said,
1126
00:59:36,906 --> 00:59:38,341
"I killed myself."
1127
00:59:38,408 --> 00:59:40,810
He said, "I'm John Lennon."
1128
00:59:40,877 --> 00:59:42,946
I thought he was crazy.
1129
00:59:49,185 --> 00:59:52,221
[reporter 1] There is a new sadness
around the world this morning.
1130
00:59:52,288 --> 00:59:54,791
[reporter 2] John Lennon,
the former Beatle, is dead this morning.
1131
00:59:54,857 --> 00:59:57,126
[reporter 1] Lennon, the former Beatle,
was murdered in front...
1132
00:59:57,193 --> 00:59:59,095
[reporter 2] At least
five shots were fired...
1133
00:59:59,162 --> 01:00:01,230
[reporter 3] The former Beatle
made it up a set of stairs,
1134
01:00:01,297 --> 01:00:02,899
said, "I'm shot," then was carried...
1135
01:00:03,533 --> 01:00:06,903
[reporter 4] John Lennon dead here
at Roosevelt Hospital in New York.
1136
01:00:11,140 --> 01:00:14,444
[Gruen] I once heard somebody say
that the most obscene four-letter word
1137
01:00:14,510 --> 01:00:16,746
in the English language is "dead."
1138
01:00:17,981 --> 01:00:19,682
And that's the way I felt.
1139
01:00:19,749 --> 01:00:20,950
[camera shutters click]
1140
01:00:24,153 --> 01:00:26,689
[Halleran] This is more
than a president or a pope.
1141
01:00:27,056 --> 01:00:30,093
This is John Lennon.
This is really a cultural icon.
1142
01:00:31,427 --> 01:00:33,796
[reporter] People conducted
an all-night vigil outside the Dakota,
1143
01:00:33,863 --> 01:00:35,431
those who loved John Lennon and...
1144
01:00:35,498 --> 01:00:36,766
[Norman] It's become a moment,
1145
01:00:36,833 --> 01:00:40,703
like the moment of the assassination
of John F. Kennedy,
1146
01:00:40,770 --> 01:00:45,241
which everyone can remember
where they were and what they were doing.
1147
01:00:46,943 --> 01:00:49,846
And it cut across all boundaries
and all cultures.
1148
01:00:51,381 --> 01:00:54,784
[Loder] It's not often that someone
means so much to so many people.
1149
01:00:56,285 --> 01:00:58,621
People had grown up with him
and with the Beatles.
1150
01:00:58,688 --> 01:01:00,890
The effect was worldwide.
1151
01:01:00,957 --> 01:01:02,558
["World News Tonight" theme playing]
1152
01:01:02,625 --> 01:01:05,428
[Koppel] A global generation
that danced and sang
1153
01:01:05,495 --> 01:01:08,331
to the music of John Lennon
mourned his death today.
1154
01:01:08,398 --> 01:01:11,601
He was a genius, he was a humorist,
he had a lot to give.
1155
01:01:11,668 --> 01:01:13,503
I've always liked John
because he was a rebel.
1156
01:01:15,772 --> 01:01:17,907
He was one of the originals
of this century.
1157
01:01:17,974 --> 01:01:19,042
No question about it.
1158
01:01:19,108 --> 01:01:20,643
[reporter] The loss of Lennon, some say,
1159
01:01:20,710 --> 01:01:22,879
is like the loss
of a member of the family.
1160
01:01:22,945 --> 01:01:25,381
[Gruen] I don't think John had any idea
1161
01:01:25,448 --> 01:01:28,384
how important he was
to so many people.
1162
01:01:28,451 --> 01:01:31,487
[reporter] All over the world today,
newspapers and radio and television
1163
01:01:31,554 --> 01:01:34,824
gave special sustained coverage
to Lennon's death.
1164
01:01:34,891 --> 01:01:38,261
[Newmark] And they were playing
all the songs off Double Fantasy
1165
01:01:38,327 --> 01:01:39,729
around the clock.
1166
01:01:39,796 --> 01:01:41,864
That's all you heard was his music.
1167
01:01:41,931 --> 01:01:44,967
[reporter 1] From Madrid to Moscow,
the murder was condemned.
1168
01:01:45,034 --> 01:01:47,804
[reporter 2] Polish television tonight
reported the details of his murder,
1169
01:01:47,870 --> 01:01:49,672
and so did others in European countries.
1170
01:01:49,739 --> 01:01:51,941
John Lennon, after a five-year absence,
1171
01:01:52,008 --> 01:01:53,910
had finally released a record album.
1172
01:01:53,976 --> 01:01:56,312
[reporter 3] Today, here in Liverpool
and all over Europe,
1173
01:01:56,379 --> 01:01:58,247
Lennon's new record is selling out.
1174
01:01:58,314 --> 01:02:00,283
[Womack] In the wake of John's murder,
1175
01:02:00,349 --> 01:02:03,052
the album just shoots
to the top of the chart.
1176
01:02:03,119 --> 01:02:04,954
They have three hit singles.
1177
01:02:05,021 --> 01:02:09,726
In death, he really had fully
achieved the comeback
1178
01:02:09,792 --> 01:02:11,160
that was in his heart.
1179
01:02:11,227 --> 01:02:13,329
[Loder] It wasn't just in the music world.
1180
01:02:13,396 --> 01:02:14,731
He was there in everything,
1181
01:02:14,797 --> 01:02:17,100
and he was always a part
of people's lives.
1182
01:02:17,166 --> 01:02:19,035
And now he never would be again.
1183
01:02:19,102 --> 01:02:21,704
[man, on radio] It's just unbelievable
how this could happen.
1184
01:02:24,607 --> 01:02:29,812
[Mintz] Julian, who was a teenager,
flew in from England.
1185
01:02:31,881 --> 01:02:34,550
He arrived alone.
1186
01:02:35,184 --> 01:02:38,087
And one of the things
that Yoko asked of me
1187
01:02:38,154 --> 01:02:42,091
was to get Julian outside of the building,
1188
01:02:42,158 --> 01:02:44,827
away from what was happening,
1189
01:02:44,894 --> 01:02:48,131
to kind of protect him
from public scrutiny
1190
01:02:48,197 --> 01:02:50,767
and media attention.
1191
01:02:50,833 --> 01:02:53,836
The truth is,
none of us knew how to handle
1192
01:02:53,903 --> 01:02:58,608
the enormity of what happened.
1193
01:03:06,015 --> 01:03:09,085
[reporter] New York City Police have now
arrested and charged a suspect
1194
01:03:09,152 --> 01:03:11,087
in last night's murder of John Lennon.
1195
01:03:11,154 --> 01:03:13,523
Prosecutors described the killing
as a calm and rational act
1196
01:03:13,589 --> 01:03:14,924
of premeditated execution.
1197
01:03:14,991 --> 01:03:17,426
A man described as deranged or a kook.
1198
01:03:18,427 --> 01:03:20,229
[Loder] The kid that shot John Lennon
1199
01:03:20,296 --> 01:03:22,665
was somebody whose life
was not paying off
1200
01:03:22,732 --> 01:03:24,000
in any way for him, I suppose.
1201
01:03:24,066 --> 01:03:27,904
And John Lennon is a guy
whose life paid off in every way.
1202
01:03:28,538 --> 01:03:30,540
[reporter] The suspect in custody
is identified
1203
01:03:30,606 --> 01:03:33,176
as 25-year-old
Mark David Chapman from Hawaii.
1204
01:03:33,242 --> 01:03:35,578
[Kaye] I had heard some news reports
1205
01:03:35,645 --> 01:03:38,514
where they said
that they had caught him.
1206
01:03:38,581 --> 01:03:42,118
[reporter] The defendant was arraigned
on a charge of second-degree murder.
1207
01:03:42,185 --> 01:03:46,622
And without even seeing a picture,
I knew that it was that guy.
1208
01:03:46,689 --> 01:03:50,359
[reporter] With Lennon at the time
of the shooting was his wife, Yoko Ono.
1209
01:03:50,426 --> 01:03:53,296
When doctors told her
Lennon was dead, she cried,
1210
01:03:53,362 --> 01:03:55,131
"Tell me it isn't true."
1211
01:03:56,132 --> 01:03:59,435
[Norman] Yoko witnessed
this appalling moment,
1212
01:03:59,502 --> 01:04:02,071
an indescribable anguish,
1213
01:04:02,138 --> 01:04:04,774
and has since not used the killer's name,
1214
01:04:04,841 --> 01:04:07,109
which I think most people
would agree with.
1215
01:04:15,318 --> 01:04:17,653
They had one of the great love stories,
I suppose.
1216
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:19,522
-[camera shutters click]
-He thought she was,
1217
01:04:19,589 --> 01:04:21,691
you know, the sun and the moon
and the stars.
1218
01:04:23,059 --> 01:04:24,694
It's very touching, really.
1219
01:04:26,762 --> 01:04:28,631
[Womack] John liked to talk to Yoko
1220
01:04:28,698 --> 01:04:30,766
about what things would be like
when they're older.
1221
01:04:30,833 --> 01:04:32,735
They imagine that they'd
return to England
1222
01:04:32,802 --> 01:04:35,571
and they would live
in a little seaside place.
1223
01:04:35,638 --> 01:04:38,507
And Sean would, you know,
send them postcards
1224
01:04:38,574 --> 01:04:40,743
about his great adventures and travels.
1225
01:04:40,810 --> 01:04:43,613
And there they would be
as these kind of doting parents,
1226
01:04:43,679 --> 01:04:48,784
possibly even grandparents,
two old codgers living by the seaside.
1227
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:54,590
[Max Robinson] Lennon's wife Yoko Ono said
in a statement this afternoon
1228
01:04:54,657 --> 01:04:56,759
there will be no funeral service
for her husband.
1229
01:04:56,826 --> 01:04:59,095
Instead, she will set
a time later this week
1230
01:04:59,161 --> 01:05:01,764
for all his friends and fans
to pray for his soul.
1231
01:05:06,235 --> 01:05:10,072
[Gruen] When Yoko had to tell Sean that
his father wasn't coming home,
1232
01:05:10,139 --> 01:05:11,274
he was dead,
1233
01:05:11,340 --> 01:05:13,309
Sean said,
"Well, now he's everywhere."
1234
01:05:19,181 --> 01:05:21,918
And I think that that might
have been one of the things
1235
01:05:21,984 --> 01:05:24,921
that inspired Yoko
to call for ten minutes of silence
1236
01:05:24,987 --> 01:05:27,056
anywhere in the world,
everywhere in the world,
1237
01:05:27,123 --> 01:05:30,660
because John was now everywhere
and is everywhere.
1238
01:05:35,831 --> 01:05:39,402
That Sunday in Central Park
was truly incredible.
1239
01:05:43,572 --> 01:05:46,175
We went on the air for an hour,
ten minutes of which
1240
01:05:46,242 --> 01:05:48,411
was the ten minutes of silence.
1241
01:05:48,477 --> 01:05:51,447
And we had multiple cameras
in the park.
1242
01:05:54,917 --> 01:05:58,621
And the moment came when
the only thing you could hear
1243
01:05:58,688 --> 01:06:01,457
were the helicopters from the news crews.
1244
01:06:01,524 --> 01:06:03,526
[helicopters flying distantly]
1245
01:06:11,667 --> 01:06:13,169
[Weiss] Just seeing the tears,
1246
01:06:13,235 --> 01:06:16,472
just seeing the sadness
or seeing the grief,
1247
01:06:16,539 --> 01:06:19,275
it was really a testament
1248
01:06:19,342 --> 01:06:22,678
to just how much this man,
John Lennon,
1249
01:06:22,745 --> 01:06:25,548
touched the lives of so many people.
1250
01:06:32,455 --> 01:06:36,492
Yoko wanted the world
to take a minute and breathe,
1251
01:06:36,559 --> 01:06:39,061
and listen to their own heartbeat.
1252
01:06:49,138 --> 01:06:51,474
[Weiss] It was truly incredible.
1253
01:07:07,123 --> 01:07:10,226
One thing she never
wanted to be was a widow.
1254
01:07:11,027 --> 01:07:13,496
And that was difficult, you know.
1255
01:07:17,566 --> 01:07:20,870
[Mintz] The weeks following John's death,
1256
01:07:20,936 --> 01:07:23,906
days turned to nights
and the nights turned to days.
1257
01:07:24,573 --> 01:07:26,809
It was a blur.
1258
01:07:29,045 --> 01:07:31,313
[Gruen] Yoko actually went back
in the studio
1259
01:07:31,380 --> 01:07:34,784
and finished the record that they were
working on the night he was killed.
1260
01:07:35,284 --> 01:07:38,421
When the album was being finished,
I went to the Dakota
1261
01:07:38,487 --> 01:07:40,756
and I listened to the last playback
of the album.
1262
01:07:48,697 --> 01:07:52,868
And as we were listening to it,
the sun was coming up over Central Park.
1263
01:07:52,935 --> 01:07:55,805
Sean woke up and climbed
into bed with his mother.
1264
01:07:55,871 --> 01:07:59,375
It was such a Madonna and child
kind of moment.
1265
01:07:59,442 --> 01:08:02,778
I was able to just take my camera
and just take a couple of pictures.
1266
01:08:02,845 --> 01:08:04,747
[camera shutters click]
1267
01:08:05,181 --> 01:08:08,117
It happened to be Mother's Day 1981.
1268
01:08:11,353 --> 01:08:14,790
[Mintz] Sean was deprived
of everything with his father
1269
01:08:14,857 --> 01:08:18,327
that would come beyond him
turning five years old.
1270
01:08:21,197 --> 01:08:22,832
[Yoko Ono] If Sean wasn't around,
1271
01:08:22,898 --> 01:08:25,668
I could have just sort of
chucking everything
1272
01:08:25,734 --> 01:08:27,837
and staying in a hotel
1273
01:08:27,903 --> 01:08:31,373
and just go to a corner bar
every night or whatever.
1274
01:08:31,440 --> 01:08:33,476
I could have been reckless.
1275
01:08:33,542 --> 01:08:35,611
Each time I felt like being reckless,
1276
01:08:35,678 --> 01:08:41,450
I thought that I have
to just keep the same life
1277
01:08:41,517 --> 01:08:43,385
that John and I were leading
1278
01:08:43,452 --> 01:08:46,455
in the same apartment
and the same routine,
1279
01:08:46,522 --> 01:08:48,390
for Sean's sake.
1280
01:08:56,298 --> 01:09:00,803
The trial was scheduled
to start in June of 1981,
1281
01:09:00,870 --> 01:09:03,839
six and a half months after the murder.
1282
01:09:03,906 --> 01:09:06,775
He was going to plead not guilty
and use the insanity defense.
1283
01:09:09,111 --> 01:09:12,114
But he had this thing planned for months.
1284
01:09:12,781 --> 01:09:15,784
[Kim Hogrefe] On the day
that he murdered John Lennon,
1285
01:09:15,851 --> 01:09:18,387
the defendant went up to Sean,
1286
01:09:18,454 --> 01:09:20,322
said hello to him and shook his hand.
1287
01:09:21,891 --> 01:09:24,727
[Connelly] What kind of person
reaches out to the child
1288
01:09:24,793 --> 01:09:27,696
of the man whom he will later murder?
1289
01:09:28,164 --> 01:09:33,135
And thereafter, he remains
at the scene to be apprehended.
1290
01:09:34,503 --> 01:09:37,239
[Hogrefe] The fact that he chose
to wait at the scene
1291
01:09:37,306 --> 01:09:40,843
was an indication that he was aware
1292
01:09:40,910 --> 01:09:43,579
that he had done something
that was wrong.
1293
01:09:44,180 --> 01:09:46,916
So basically, his defense fell apart.
1294
01:09:47,850 --> 01:09:50,719
He told me that God told him
to plead guilty.
1295
01:09:50,786 --> 01:09:53,189
["World News Tonight" theme playing]
1296
01:09:53,489 --> 01:09:56,559
[announcer] From ABC,
this is World News Tonight.
1297
01:09:56,992 --> 01:09:58,727
...convicted of the murder of John Lennon,
1298
01:09:58,794 --> 01:10:01,497
was sentenced to serve 20 years
to life in prison.
1299
01:10:02,431 --> 01:10:04,800
[Hogrefe] This was an individual
who was narcissistic,
1300
01:10:04,867 --> 01:10:07,403
who thought he was worthy
of great attention.
1301
01:10:07,469 --> 01:10:10,973
So he sought that attention
in a very violent way.
1302
01:10:11,674 --> 01:10:13,342
[Connelly] Quite understandably,
1303
01:10:13,409 --> 01:10:17,313
the coverage of the man
who shot John Lennon was everywhere.
1304
01:10:17,813 --> 01:10:20,749
[Weiss] He killed John Lennon
for the sole purpose
1305
01:10:20,816 --> 01:10:22,885
of making himself famous.
1306
01:10:22,952 --> 01:10:26,255
We should never have given this man
1307
01:10:26,322 --> 01:10:29,758
the glory of his name
being all across the country,
1308
01:10:29,825 --> 01:10:31,193
all around the world.
1309
01:10:31,260 --> 01:10:35,030
In many ways, I think that
we journalists did a disservice.
1310
01:10:37,099 --> 01:10:39,301
[reporter 1] The man who murdered
John Lennon 20 years ago
1311
01:10:39,368 --> 01:10:40,936
gets his first parole hearing today.
1312
01:10:41,003 --> 01:10:42,504
[reporter 2] The New York Parole Board
1313
01:10:42,571 --> 01:10:45,040
turned down the man
who killed John Lennon yesterday.
1314
01:10:45,107 --> 01:10:49,144
It's a state law that he has to
come up for parole every two years.
1315
01:10:49,211 --> 01:10:51,046
It's been turned down every time.
1316
01:10:51,113 --> 01:10:54,283
John Lennon's killer was told
he will remain behind bars,
1317
01:10:54,350 --> 01:10:56,418
denied parole now for the seventh time...
1318
01:10:56,485 --> 01:10:58,887
[reporter 2] ...denied him parole
for the eighth time.
1319
01:10:58,954 --> 01:11:02,858
[Hogrefe] The defendant has been
denied parole 11 times now.
1320
01:11:09,098 --> 01:11:11,667
[Yoko Ono] I still can't
get over John's death.
1321
01:11:11,734 --> 01:11:14,236
I'm still sort of recuperating from that.
1322
01:11:15,871 --> 01:11:19,441
Inside, there's something
that is still sort of...
1323
01:11:22,044 --> 01:11:23,312
just tight.
1324
01:11:31,053 --> 01:11:32,755
[Gruen] Yoko called me.
1325
01:11:32,821 --> 01:11:35,758
She wanted me to help her
take a picture of the glasses
1326
01:11:35,824 --> 01:11:38,460
that John was wearing
the night he was shot.
1327
01:11:40,229 --> 01:11:42,398
She took out John's glasses.
1328
01:11:42,464 --> 01:11:45,200
The glasses are broken and bloodied.
1329
01:11:45,801 --> 01:11:47,202
And we were both crying.
1330
01:11:47,269 --> 01:11:49,705
And it was really horrible to see them.
1331
01:11:51,373 --> 01:11:52,941
But when you look at those glasses
1332
01:11:53,008 --> 01:11:56,178
and you get just a little bit
of the actual feeling,
1333
01:11:57,046 --> 01:11:58,847
it's so horrible,
1334
01:11:58,914 --> 01:12:01,850
because it's not just a picture
of some bloodied glasses.
1335
01:12:01,917 --> 01:12:05,521
It's a horrible moment
brought out in public
1336
01:12:05,587 --> 01:12:07,323
and stated publicly.
1337
01:12:08,223 --> 01:12:10,893
She was going to let the world know
1338
01:12:10,959 --> 01:12:14,296
that she had been widowed
by gun violence.
1339
01:12:14,363 --> 01:12:18,000
And why shouldn't she share that?
Why can't she share that?
1340
01:12:18,067 --> 01:12:19,501
That's what she saw.
1341
01:12:20,169 --> 01:12:22,538
[Mintz] The next album that Yoko put out
1342
01:12:22,604 --> 01:12:25,207
was an album called Season of Glass.
1343
01:12:25,607 --> 01:12:29,278
That's where John's eyeglasses
appeared on the cover
1344
01:12:29,345 --> 01:12:30,913
to make the point.
1345
01:12:32,981 --> 01:12:35,884
It's letting that image itself
do the talking,
1346
01:12:35,951 --> 01:12:38,854
and it's just as powerful now
as it was 40 years ago.
1347
01:12:47,863 --> 01:12:48,997
[police whistle blows]
1348
01:12:49,064 --> 01:12:51,900
[Gruen] After John passed away,
there was talk in the early '80s
1349
01:12:51,967 --> 01:12:54,670
of putting a statue of John
in Central Park.
1350
01:12:55,237 --> 01:12:56,805
John used to make fun of the statues,
1351
01:12:56,872 --> 01:13:00,376
because there's a famous person
with a pigeon dumping on their head.
1352
01:13:00,442 --> 01:13:03,045
We wouldn't want some pigeon
standing on John's head.
1353
01:13:03,579 --> 01:13:06,615
And so Yoko created a park
for world peace.
1354
01:13:06,682 --> 01:13:09,084
Beatle John Lennon would have
been 45 years old today,
1355
01:13:09,151 --> 01:13:12,221
and today his widow, Yoko Ono,
and New York City officials
1356
01:13:12,287 --> 01:13:15,224
dedicated a 2 1/2-acre site
in New York Central Park.
1357
01:13:15,290 --> 01:13:18,927
It was a spot that I guess him and Yoko
used to visit all the time.
1358
01:13:18,994 --> 01:13:22,264
[Rita Sands] Just a few hundred yards
from where Lennon lived and died,
1359
01:13:22,331 --> 01:13:23,899
New Yorkers honored his memory
1360
01:13:23,966 --> 01:13:26,935
by naming this patch of Parkland
"Strawberry Fields,"
1361
01:13:27,836 --> 01:13:29,805
after a famous Beatles song.
1362
01:13:34,676 --> 01:13:36,979
[Gruen] Yoko worked with somebody
at the United Nations
1363
01:13:37,045 --> 01:13:39,548
to get in touch with the leaders
of every country in the world
1364
01:13:39,615 --> 01:13:41,550
and ask them all to donate something
1365
01:13:41,617 --> 01:13:44,920
so that the whole world could
grow together in Strawberry Fields.
1366
01:13:47,890 --> 01:13:49,525
[Mitchell] It's a living monument.
1367
01:13:49,591 --> 01:13:53,896
Something to be fed and to be nourished
and to be cared for.
1368
01:13:54,363 --> 01:13:55,831
[reporter] 123 nations
1369
01:13:55,898 --> 01:13:58,700
donated trees and plants
in Lennon's memory.
1370
01:13:59,668 --> 01:14:02,037
[Weiss] You know,
it's got a big plaque there
1371
01:14:02,104 --> 01:14:03,505
and a beautiful mosaic
1372
01:14:03,572 --> 01:14:05,941
which was actually a gift
from the city of Naples.
1373
01:14:06,008 --> 01:14:08,510
It's that single word. "Imagine."
1374
01:14:08,577 --> 01:14:11,313
[Mitchell] It's a place that reminds us
1375
01:14:11,380 --> 01:14:13,282
of who he was
and what he did with his life
1376
01:14:13,348 --> 01:14:16,351
and the statement that
he wanted to make with his art.
1377
01:14:16,418 --> 01:14:18,520
[man] Lennon, imagine, peace and love.
1378
01:14:19,855 --> 01:14:21,924
If you're in a plane over
Central Park, you look down,
1379
01:14:21,990 --> 01:14:25,861
because of the shape of the roads
around that spot in Central Park,
1380
01:14:25,928 --> 01:14:27,763
it looks like a teardrop.
1381
01:14:28,397 --> 01:14:33,735
[Yoko Ono] This garden is a result
of all of us dreaming together.
1382
01:14:34,269 --> 01:14:39,741
It is our way of taking a sad song
and making it better.
1383
01:14:41,143 --> 01:14:43,078
[Palma] Three years ago, I visited.
1384
01:14:43,145 --> 01:14:45,547
And there were so many people there,
you know.
1385
01:14:46,682 --> 01:14:48,884
People go to remember, you know.
1386
01:14:49,685 --> 01:14:51,353
That's all John Lennon wanted,
was peace.
1387
01:14:52,521 --> 01:14:54,857
And we're serious
about the peace bit, you know.
1388
01:14:54,923 --> 01:14:57,292
If we're going to be hounded,
we may as well say
1389
01:14:57,359 --> 01:14:59,461
what we have to say
about peace and things.
1390
01:15:01,396 --> 01:15:04,700
[Gruen] Every once in a while,
the world gets an artist like that.
1391
01:15:05,267 --> 01:15:08,537
And, fortunately,
we had John Lennon to share,
1392
01:15:08,604 --> 01:15:12,741
and we have his art
and his words and his ideas.
1393
01:15:13,675 --> 01:15:15,844
[Womack] He was heading
toward new entries
1394
01:15:15,911 --> 01:15:17,579
in the Great American Songbook.
1395
01:15:17,646 --> 01:15:18,680
[camera shutters click]
1396
01:15:18,747 --> 01:15:20,516
When we're robbed
of every moment of that,
1397
01:15:20,582 --> 01:15:22,518
for however long he would have lived,
1398
01:15:22,584 --> 01:15:24,119
you can't calculate it.
1399
01:15:24,186 --> 01:15:25,320
[camera shutters click]
1400
01:15:25,387 --> 01:15:27,723
[Sholin] If anyone ever wanted
to do something
1401
01:15:27,789 --> 01:15:29,925
in the memory of John Lennon,
1402
01:15:29,992 --> 01:15:32,361
I would say follow the words of "Imagine."
1403
01:15:35,264 --> 01:15:38,166
Imagine all the people
living life in peace.
1404
01:15:42,905 --> 01:15:44,172
[Gruen] Everybody thinks that,
1405
01:15:44,239 --> 01:15:47,342
but John gave people the words
to express that.
1406
01:15:49,678 --> 01:15:52,481
[Norman] It has became
an anthem for the world,
1407
01:15:52,548 --> 01:15:55,984
which transcends barriers
of religion and race
1408
01:15:56,051 --> 01:15:59,021
and seems to have a timeless message.
1409
01:16:00,422 --> 01:16:05,460
It's hard to hear those songs
and not be sad or wistful or angry,
1410
01:16:05,994 --> 01:16:07,763
to not want more of John.
1411
01:16:09,698 --> 01:16:12,167
[man] We proudly welcome
to the Walk of Fame,
1412
01:16:12,234 --> 01:16:13,869
Mr. John Lennon.
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[Yoko Ono] I think his spirit and music
were very, very significant
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for a lot of people, and still is.
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I think it's important
to keep my dad's music
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and his message out there
in the consciousness,
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because it's a message
that everyone can connect with.
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We come here with our hearts
to honor Dad
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and to pray for peace.
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[Norman] So, a sainthood, really,
has come to John Lennon,
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though he would have laughed
at the idea.
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What made us love him
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was because he was so very far
from being a saint.
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[Mintz] So, here we are, 40 years later,
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talking about this man
and this man's music.
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The music lasts
because it was real.
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The music hits home
and stays there.
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