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MAN: Mr. Kuklinski, we're going
to conduct a back search here.

Put your arms out.

NARRATOR: On May 25, 1988,

Richard Kuklinski was convicted
of multiple murder

and sentenced
to life imprisonment.

This ended 30 years
of cold-blooded killing

by a master criminal
police called "The Iceman."

MAN: Richard Kuklinski is one
of the most dangerous criminals

we have ever come across
in this state.

He murdered by guns,

he murdered by strangulation,

he murdered by putting poison
on victims' food.

He did all of this
at the same time

while exhibiting a normal,
placid family existence.

His wife, his children

were uninvolved
in his criminal activities,

yet we are faced with evidence,

convicting evidence
of numerous grisly murders.

MAN: How many people
have you killed?

All right,
approximate guess...

Approximate, well, oh,

more than a hundred.

How do you feel
about killing?

I don't.

It doesn't bother me.

Doesn't bother me
at all.

I don't have a feeling
one way or the other.

I think, if I had
a choice, I wouldn't.

INTERVIEWER: Richard, when
you were on the streets,

what kinds of weapons
did you use?

When I was out
on the street,

to do something,
I carried 3 guns

and a knife.

I had a derringer
in each pocket.

And a gun on my ankle,

a bigger gun,
just in case...

and a knife.

It all depends
how it came about.

You indicated yesterday
that you used a shotgun,

took it out at a stop light
or something like that or...

At a red light.

We were following
this fella.

I pulled up at a...

at a red light.

Came alongside of him.

[Clears throat]

And shot the shotgun,
took his head off.

He never saw
the green light.

It was a sawed-off
shotgun.

It was very, uh--
as a matter of fact,

when it happened,
it surprised me.

I--I expected the, uh...

the man to die,

but it really surprised me
when it took his head off.

It was something
I didn't expect.

Richard Kuklinski is not
a serial killer.

He's not a drug-crazed

wild man running around
with a machine gun.

He's not a person

that is driven by
perverse sexual desires.

He doesn't drink,
he doesn't gamble,

all of these things

which many persons that are
involved in killing

and murders often are
motivated by.

Richard Kuklinski, instead,
is nothing more than

a predator on human beings.

His motivation is greed,

and his method of murder is
very varied and very extreme.

INTERVIEWER: Richard,
I understand that you're

an expert
in the use of cyanide.

How many times
did you kill with it?

KUKLINSKI: Quite a few.

What's the different ways
you use cyanide?

[Sighs]
You could, uh...

put it in liquid form.

You could, uh...

there could--
person could take it--

for instance, a person
could be in a bar.

You bump into them,
possibly by mistake,

or say you were
intoxicated,

spill a drink on them,

and leave.

Everybody just looks around,
thinks you're a drunk

or that you just had an
accident or something.

And, meanwhile,

it's soaking through
their clothes

into their pores

and into their system.

And eventually...

they'll die.

I'd be in a restaurant

where we were eating,

and the guy went
to the bathroom.

And while he was in
the bathroom,

we put a little boost
in his, uh, in his food.

And, uh...

he was rushed to
the hospital after that

and he died,

and they buried him.

I'm not exactly sure
what they put on--

what they attributed
his death to,

but, you know...

it wasn't homicide.

MAN: Somewhere,
and I don't know where,

he picked up
on cyanide poisoning

as being a good way,

a good, quick way
to kill somebody.

It's such a good way
to kill somebody

that that's the gas that's used
in gas chambers.

I mean, cyanide in a gas form,

which is similar to cyanide

in a "being eaten" form,
kills very quickly.

It kills faster than arsenic,
faster than strychnine,

and it's hard to detect...

if the person--if it isn't
specifically looked for.

He murdered

sometimes months apart,
years apart.

He used different methods.

He would go so far
as to plan in his crimes

the actual deceit
of law enforcement.

By that, I mean he would,
on occasion, murder someone,

cut their body, wrap them
in layer after layer

of plastic bags and material,
and then deposit the body

many, many miles
from the murder scene.

KUKLINSKI: What is it if you
dispose of something?

You throw it away.

You throw it anywhere.

It all depends,

if you don't want it found
or if you want it found.

If you want it found, it doesn't
matter. You just leave it there.

If you don't want it found...
[Sighs]

you could take it somewhere.

You could bury it.

You could, uh,

put it in a big drum.

You could put it in a trunk
of a car and have it crushed.

You leave it in town, you could
put it on a park bench.

I mean, you know, you could
put it anywhere you want.

They found a few people sitting
on park benches, I'm sure.

As a matter of fact,
I know they have.

INTERVIEWER: Are there any
murders that you committed

that haunt you, that you just
sort of--you feel any...

Nothing haunts me.

No murders haunt me.

Nothing.

I don't think about it.

That's why it's hard
for me to tell you.

In order for me
to be able to tell you

when something happened, I'd
have to think about when.

If I think about it...

it would wind up
hurting me,

so I don't--
I don't think about it.

If I had a choice,

and, of course,
you already said to me

we all have a choice--
heh heh!

Maybe we do.

At the time, I didn't
seem to have one.

But if I could have...

I would like to be different
than what I am.

I would have liked
to have been different

than what I was, yes.

It would be better, it would
have been better for me.

I would have liked to had
a better outlook on life.

But I can't change
yesterday.

NARRATOR: Richard Kuklinski
was born April 11, 1935

in a low-income public housing
project in Jersey City.

His father was a brakeman
for the railroad,

and his mother worked
in a meat-packing plant.

KUKLINSKI:
I didn't like my father

'cause he would beat me
just because he felt like it.

To get my attention, I guess.

He would think nothing
of coming in

and smacking you,

you know, basically.

He'd just come in
and give you a whoopin'

for no reason whatsoever.

And my mother was cancer.

She would destroy everybody.

She thought I took
too long to do something,

she didn't hesitate
to give me a swat here

and there, and she didn't
just use her hand.

She...

She would hit me
with a broomstick

or something like that.
It wouldn't...

It hurt.

As a matter of fact,

she broke the broom
on me more than once.

NARRATOR:
Richard's mother believed

that harsh discipline at home
should go hand in hand

with a rigid
religious education.

I was raised
a...a Catholic.

INTERVIEWER: Mm-hmm.

Uh, we were very...

she was strict as far
as the religion goes.

I went to a--
Your mother?

My mother, yeah.
My mother--

We went to a...

Catholic grammar school

and we were raised with
the Catholic belief.

I was even an altar boy.

But, uh...

during the course
of my life,

I don't really
believe it.

It's just the way
it happened.

Didn't mean it
to happen that way,

but it just happened
that way.

NARRATOR: When his father
abandoned the family,

Richard, a skinny,
timid young teenager,

was left to fend for himself.

He was an easy target
for street gangs,

but by the time he was 16,

things began to change.

KUKLINSKI: When I was
a young man, I found out

that if you hurt somebody,

they'll leave you alone.

Good guys do finish last.

When I tried to leave
everybody alone,

just do my own thing,
everybody just wanted

to hurt me,

until one day
I just decided,

"Well, I've had enough
of this picking."

And I went upstairs
and I took a...

a bar, which the clothes
used to hang on

in the closet.

And I went back downstairs,

and there were, like,
6 young men,

still figuring they were
gonna mess with my head,

and, uh...

we went to war.

To their surprise,

I was no longer taking
the beating.

I was giving it.

And that's when I learned
that it was better

to give than to receive.

I have been known to hurt
people for no reason.

If you check out
my background as I came up,

I could be anywhere,
and if somebody humiliated me,

I would think nothing
of hitting them with a cue stick

in an instant.

And the only thing
they might have done was...

made me feel bad, or...

challenged my authority
at the time.

NARRATOR: Kuklinski's
reputation as a tough guy

with a hair-trigger temper grew.

By the time he was 18,

the abused had become
the abuser.

It wasn't long before
he committed his first murder.

KUKLINSKI: I got
into a fight in a bar.

We got into
an argument, a fight,

and I hit him with a...

with a cue stick...

uh...

a few too many times,
and he died.

INTERVIEWER:
How'd you feel after,

when you found out
that he'd died?

I had felt very bad.

Very, very bad.

I was upset.

I didn't...

mean to do it, actually.

But surprisingly,
I felt sadness and...

after a while,
I felt something else.

I didn't feel sad.
I was sad, along with...

some sort of a...

rush, that I had
control, and...

if you mess with me,
I guess it's--

if you mess with me,
I'll...I'll hurt you.

NARRATOR: By the time
he'd reached his 20s,

Kuklinski had become
a petty crook and pool hustler,

then his life changed.

In 1960, he met

a pretty 19-year-old girl
named Barbara Pedrin.

He was absolutely...

flowers at the door
every day and...

considerate and romantic
and all of the things

that anybody could hope for,
dream for.

He bought me beautiful things.

We went fun places.

He was happiest
when we were together.

He was happiest when
just he and I were together.

NARRATOR: He and Barbara
had 3 children,

but with just an eighth-grade
education, he could only get

low-paying jobs that didn't
pay enough to support

his growing family.

I didn't have
the capability

of getting
a better-paying job.

What, was I going
to push a yarn truck

the rest of my life,

make a menial amount
of money?

I couldn't have
afforded...

one child, let alone 3.

NARRATOR: He went to work
at a film lab,

where he began to pirate
pornographic films

and sell them to outside sources

connected to the Gambino
crime family.

This connection led to other
criminal activities,

and it wasn't long before
he went from being

a small-time hood
to a big-time killer.

He worked as a hit man
and associated with a gang

that worked out of the notorious
Gemini Lounge in Brooklyn.

Above the Lounge was
a Mafia killing factory,

where victims were killed
and dismembered.

Hacked bodies were
packaged in plastic bags

and carted away.

Kuklinski was
the perfect enforcer.

He was brutal and he knew
how to intimidate.

If people owed money,

they either paid up
or paid with their lives.

KUKLINSKI: Most people
paid their bills.

Some didn't.

I remember one guy.

He was, um...
owed a lot of money.

Well, I guess a considerable
amount of money.

Um...

He hid be--he thought
he could hide behind a door.

It was a nice door,
expensive door.

Anyway, uh,

most people don't
realize that, uh,

when you come
to answer a door...

uh, if there's light
in the background,

the person
on the outside can look

through the peephole

and see the guy coming
to the door.

So he came to the door,
asked who it was,

and, uh...

he looked through
the peephole.

[Clicks tongue]

And he never saw
what hit him.

NARRATOR: For Richard Kuklinski,

murder had become a way of life,

and the macabre became
the commonplace.

INTERVIEWER: Don't you ever
use a chainsaw? I mean...

To cut someone up?

Yes.

I've done that.

To dismember them, yes.

Not to kill them,
though.

And what was it like
to cut somebody up with a--

with a--you know,
well, the guy's dead.

How did it feel to cut
some guy up with a chainsaw?

I didn't have
any feeling

one way or the other.

That just happened.

That's the way
it had to be.

Messy?

Yes.

Yes, it was.

Did it make you sick?

No.

I've had requests
where the guy wanted

the guy's tongue
cut out.

And he also wanted
his tongue

put in his, uh,
rear end.

So I believe there was
a definite point

he wanted to get across.

I have an experience

that I don't know
if I should tell you,

that it might--it
probably would offend

a lot of people.

Uh...

I don't know.

I don't think--I should
not go into that.

Go ahead.

No, it's not a good one.

Tell it.
Go ahead. Tell it.

Tsk.

There a man,
he was begging

and pleading and, uh...

and...and praying,
I guess.

[Sighs]

And, um...

He was "Please, God"in'
all over the place.

So I told him he could
have a half-hour...

to pray to God.

And if God could
come down

and change
the circumstances...

he'd have that time.

But God never showed up,

and he never changed
the circumstances...

and that was that.

It wasn't too nice.

That's one thing
I shouldn't have done,

that one.

I shouldn't have
done it that way.

NARRATOR: By the 1970s,

between his illegal activities
and contract killings,

he was becoming a wealthy man.

He now lived
in an expensive home

in a middle-class neighborhood
with his wife and 3 children.

INTERVIEWER: Richard,
what did you charge for a hit?

If I hit somebody,

I wouldn't hit it
for peanuts.

I'd like to have
some money.

I'd say if I were
to do somebody,

I'd want at least
5 figures.

And at least up
in the better half,

not the lower half,
of the 5 figures.

NARRATOR: Kuklinski kept
his criminal life secret

from his family and neighbors.

He told them
he was a businessman.

No one knew his business
was murder.

BARBARA KUKLINSKI:
We were perfect.

My children were
never in trouble.

We were perfect.
We were the all-American family.

I mean, we had what seemed
to be the perfect life.

There were wonderful times,

and time with his family was
the only thing that he was

really concerned--I mean, if he
never had to leave the house,

he would have loved it.

He hated to have to travel.

He hated to go away.

He came back as soon as he can.

He wanted to be home
all the time.

He wanted to be
with us all the time.

KUKLINSKI: I enjoyed
that way of life.

I felt I had achieved
something.

I...

very seldom left the house
unless I had to

because I felt...
secure in the house.

I felt very secure.

I tried to provide

the best for them

as I knew how.

Might not have been
the right way to go,

but it was,
for me, the only way.

I tried to never let anything

touch the house.

I brought nobody there.

My family was not
exposed to anybody.

I wanted to show them
the good side of life,

not the bad side.

BARBARA KUKLINSKI: Richard had
a very, very sad childhood.

You got the impression-- or I
knew because he would, like,

say something and then drop it
and change the subject--

that he was abused
and that there was no love.

He grew up absolutely without
any love, without a doubt.

I mean, the first Christmas
with my family,

he couldn't--
he was in awe.

He couldn't believe it.

There was a tree

and everyone was
cooking special things

and there was lots of--we were
laughing and it was fun and

he kept saying, "I can't believe
that this is what happens."

KUKLINSKI: It was a Jekyll
and Hyde existence.

The way it was,
the way I wanted it to be,

were absolutely two different...

two different lives.

I wanted...one life.

I had to have another life.

NARRATOR: This other life would
interrupt one Christmas Eve.

While his family was
celebrating the holidays,

Kuklinski left his home
to collect on a bad debt.

Business was business,
even on Christmas Eve.

KUKLINSKI:
The man owed me money.

He was giving me a runaround.

I told him I wasn't happy
that he wasn't gonna pay me.

And he had the attitude
that, uh...

[Sighs]

Nobody could hurt him.

I think he was wrong.

[Distant siren]

Anyway, he never saw
Christmas.

INTERVIEWER:
What did you use, a--

A gun.

Extremely loud inside
of a car. Heh heh!

Matter of fact, my ears were
ringing for a long time.

What'd you do afterwards?

I walked away,

got in my car,

and went home.

What'd you do
when you got home?

I put toys together for
the kids for Christmas.

I saw the broadcast
while I was putting

the toys together,
came down.

"Mob-related killing."

That was the first time
I knew I was mob-related.

Heh heh!

How'd you feel?

I was annoyed I couldn't get
the damn wagon together.

I never questioned him,
and you just knew.

Don't do it, don't ask.

If he got up at 2:00
in the morning or during dinner,

and put on his shoes and walked
out the door, you said, "Bye."

You didn't say, "Where are you
going?" or "Why are you going?"

And it was just...understood
that that's the way it was.

He was very private.

You only knew what he
wanted you to know.

NARRATOR: By the 1980s,
after 25 years

of working as a hit man
for the mob,

Richard Kuklinski became
the head of his own crime ring.

He developed new ways
to profit from murder.

The case of Paul Hoffman was
typical of the way he operated.

On the afternoon
of April 29, 1982,

Hoffman arrived at a warehouse
leased by Kuklinski.

Like numerous victims
of The Iceman,

he had been set up for
a phony business deal.

MAN: Paul Hoffman was
a pharmacist,

and he was looking
for a quick buck.

He was...

out to purchase a drug
called Tagamet,

which was, at the time,
a wonder drug for ulcers.

And he felt that if he could
purchase a large quantity

of this Tagamet

at a very low price,

that he could indeed make

a huge profit on that,

and that was the alleged deal

that he had with
Richard Kuklinski.

NARRATOR: When Paul Hoffman
showed up to buy the Tagamet,

he was carrying $25,000 in cash.

KUKLINSKI: He took
the bag, opened it,

showed me a whole mess of
money, a whole mess of cash.

He said, "Look, I got
the money right here,

here it is,"
and he came back.

And he says, "What are
we gonna do?

"What are we gonna do?

How am I gonna get
this merchandise?"

Tsk.

I put the gun
under his chin

and I said, "There is
no merchandise,"

and I shot him.

He didn't die.

The gun jammed.

He was...gurgling.

I had hit him.

It was, uh...

blood was pouring out
of his mouth,

and, uh...

He was in a--
I would imagine, a lot--

he looked like he was
in a lot of pain.

Tsk. So there was
a tire iron there.

I took the tire iron
and hit him with it,

which...

knocked him out...

and, uh, he died.

I then took him

and put him
in a 50-gallon drum,

put it on the side
of a motel.

It was behind
Harry's Corner.

I listened
to the people.

I went in Harry's
every morning.

The thing was there
for a long time,

out there every day.

It was there.

I went in Harry's every day.
One day it was just missing.

Continued to go in Harry's
to see if anything

was said about it.

Nothing was said.

I don't know what
happened to the drum.

NARRATOR: By the 1980s,
Kuklinski was involved

in narcotics, pornography,
arms dealing,

money-laundering, hijacking,
and contract-killing

on a worldwide basis.

He was also pressing 50

and getting tired.

He started to make mistakes.

He began to leave traces,

and law enforcement officers
who had suspected him

over the years began
gathering evidence.

Kuklinski would protect himself
by killing anyone

who could testify against him.

On December 27, 1982,

a body was discovered
at the York Motel in New Jersey.

The body was identified

as Gary Smith, 37.

Smith had been given cyanide
and then strangled to death.

This was the first
of many mistakes

Kuklinski was to commit.

DR. BADEN: Gary Smith was found

under a motel bed

in New Jersey,

as I recall,
where some 20 people

had used the room in 5 days,
and nobody had realized

there was a rotting body
underneath it.

The body was found in
a decomposed state.

It was very hot weather.

Smith would have not...

been identified
as a murder victim

if he had died only of
the cyanide.

If the cyanide had worked
and he had died

and he didn't need
to be strangled,

that ligature mark around
the neck wouldn't have been seen

and he would have...been

possibly a drug addict overdose
or--lots of other things

of a non-homicidal nature would
have to be considered.

NARRATOR:
On September 25, 1983,

the body of Louis Masgay
was found.

As he had done many times before

to confuse the time of death,

Kuklinski had frozen the body
in an industrial freezer.

This was the murder that earned
him the name of "Iceman."

This murder was also
his second deadly mistake.

He did too good a job
on that body

because he left that body
in the freezer for two years,

then took the body out
and dumped it

in Rockland County,

and the body was found

before it had fully thawed out,

so the doctor doing the autopsy,
the medical examiner

in Rockland County,
when he opened the body up,

saw ice inside the body
in the summer's day

and said, "There's
something wrong here.

"This guy could not
have died two days ago

the way he looks like
from the outside."

NARRATOR:
On May 14, 1983,

a bicyclist was riding down
a lonely road in a wooded area

and saw a buzzard
feeding on a body.

It was Daniel Deppner, 44,

the third business associate
of Richard Kuklinski

to be found dead.

The body count grew.

There would soon be
5 unsolved murders

with one thing in common:
the last person

to see the victims alive
had been Richard Kuklinski.

After 30 years of getting
away with murder,

Richard Kuklinski's time
was running out.

He had been under investigation
for 3 years,

and the police were beginning
to put the pieces together.

What I told my superiors

in Trenton was that...

"Hey, look, you know,
we can check with the FBI

"and we can see that there's
a certain number of

"given serial killers roaming
around this country of ours,

"but take a good, hard look
at what we got here.

We got Richard Kuklinski,
and there's only one of him."

NARRATOR: In 1986,

a division of the New Jersey
Criminal Justice Department

set up a task force
made up of federal,

state, and local
law enforcement agencies

The task force analyzed existing
investigative material

and gathered new information.

They had one mission: to arrest
and convict Richard Kuklinski.

CARROLL: When I first
read the file,

which, at the time, was nothing
more than a compilation

of several different
unsolved homicides,

the more you looked
for connections,

the less you found
in this particular case

because there was
different types of murders,

different devices used.

The final method
that was used was,

in fact, the introduction of
an undercover federal agent,

Dominick Polifrone, who was able

to win Mr. Kuklinski's
confidence and was able

to record conversations
where he detailed

his participation
in these murders.

I portrayed myself as a hit man,

told him I worked for the, uh,
wise guys, downtown New York,

and my brother was
a goodfella downtown

and I went by the name

of Dominick Michael Provanzano.

POLIFRONE: Are you willing
to go out on a contract?

KUKLINSKI: If the price is
right, I'll talk to anybody.

Yeah?
Sure.

And you mean to tell me
your way is nice and clean

and nothin' fuckin'
shows up?

Well, it may show,
my friend, but it's qui--

it's not messy,
it's not noisy.

It's not, uh, you know.

Yeah, but how the fuck
do you put it together,

like, you know
what I'm saying?

Oh, there's
always a way.

There's a will, there's
a way, my friend.

We used to sit down
and we'd talk.

Either we'd go to
those tables over there

and get away from people
and we'd discuss...

how to murder people.

KUKLINSKI: "You know, I
just got a few problems

"I want to dispose of,
I have some rats

I want to get rid of."
POLIFRONE: Yeah.

The only fuckin' thing
I don't understand--

Don't you use
a fuckin' piece of iron

to get rid of these
fuckin' people?

You use
this fuckin' cyanide?

Try to be messy.

You do it nice and calm.

It became apparent

at later points
in the investigation

that Mr. Kuklinski
fully intended

on murdering Dominick Polifrone
in addition to

the victims that were being
discussed at the time

they were having these
tape-recorded conversations.

So he could pretty much tell
Dominick Polifrone anything

because he knew shortly
that he had plans

for Mr. Polifrone, too.

KUKLINSKI: You put
that stuff in a mist,

you spray it
in somebody's face,

and they go to sleep.

No shit! Long as he's dead.
That's the bottom line.

No, that's the thing,
isn't it, no matter how

it was done; I mean,
I know guys that went

to sleep and never
woke up again, you know.

Heh heh heh!

POLIFRONE:
He says he had one guy,

he went and get a hamburger.

They'd come back and he'd put
the cyanide on his hamburger.

And we're sitting down
and he's telling me.

He says, "You wouldn't believe
it," he says, "I'm waiting for

this guy to keel over," he says
because once you eat cyanide,

usually it would--
you'd roll over and that's it.

He says, "This guy had the
constitution of a fuckin' bull."

He says, "You wouldn't
believe it."

He says, "He wouldn't die!"

And we're both laughing
about this, and I'm saying

in the back of my mind,
I said, "Holy God."

I said, "Look at this."

I said, "What kind
of person is this?"

I said to myself right there,
I said,

"You better cover your butt,"

I said, "because you just
don't know with this guy."

And he'd be kidding about it
and I'd be laughing.

In the back of my mind,
I'm saying, "This is the devil.

No question about it.
This is the devil."

[Police radio chatter]

NARRATOR:
On December 17, 1986,

the Special Task Force
set up a roadblock

and arrested Richard Kuklinski
outside his home

in Dumont, New Jersey.

They felt they had all
the evidence they needed

for a conviction.

KANE: The whole road
was blocked off for cops.

Local police, state police,

Division of Criminal
Justice investigators,

county personnel.

There was no place for him
to go, so he stopped his car.

He was told to get out
of the car,

and he did not.

So he was, um...

taken out of the car,

and he was placed

face-down on the street...

in a position where we thought
we were safe.

And then I handcuffed him.

That guy's big.

I did everything I could to get
one click on the handcuffs,

and later on, I tried
to put leg irons on him

and there's no way
they would go on.

They just wouldn't go on.

Law enforcement authorities

have arrested one of the most

notorious contract killers

in state history.

A self-employed Bergen County
man is behind bars, charged

with 5 murders, and prosecutors
are investigating

his involvement in dozens more.

This is unwarranted,

unnecessary.

These guys watch
too many movies.

He is such a cold-blooded killer
they call him "The Iceman."

After being convicted
of two murders,

he confessed to two others
in court today.

I shot George Malliband
5 times

and Louis Masgay

on July 1, 1981.

I, uh, shot him once
in the back of the head.

NARRATOR: When the judge
asked him why

he had killed the two men,
Kuklinski replied...

It was due to business.

NARRATOR: Dominick Polifrone's
tapes had nailed Kuklinski,

but in court, The Iceman greeted
the undercover cop with a smile.

How are you, man?
Good.

WOMAN: He seemed
to be quite cheery

about saying hello to you.

Well, I reciprocated.

The only thing is,
I'm going home

and he's going to a different
environment at the present time.

BARBARA KUKLINSKI:
It wasn't real to us.

We just had a hard time dealing

with what was in the press,

and I kept saying, "No way" and
"I don't believe it" and then,

when I actually heard his voice,
you know, in court,

it was very hard to believe
that he talked like that.

It was very, very difficult
to believe.

KUKLINSKI, ON TAPE:
I've done it always.

As far as you've known
or heard,

there isn't too many things
I haven't tried.

No matter how it was done,
I mean, I know guys that went

to sleep and never woke up
again, I mean, you know.

POLIFRONE, ON TAPE:
Heh heh heh heh!

CARROLL: The consensus of...

the federal, state, county,

and local law enforcement
agencies that were involved

in this investigation

is that Richard Kuklinski is one
of the most dangerous criminals

we have ever come across
in this state.

Further, it's our feeling that

he is such a diabolical,

methodical type of killer

that it's very possible

that, when all is said and done,
we still may never know

how many people he has
actually killed.

What Richard has been accused of
and found guilty of

and spoke to you about

goes against God and man.

I have...very strong feelings.

I am totally anti-violence.

I mean--and as are my children.

And, um,

I can't make those wrongs right.

I can't make them right
in my own mind.

We are Richard Kuklinski's
family,

and we aren't ourselves anymore.

We're "Richard Kuklinski's
family."

KUKLINSKI: I've never felt sorry
for anything I've done

other than hurting my family.

The only thing I feel sorry for.

[Sighs]
I'm not looking for forgiveness

and I'm not repenting.

[Sighs]
No, I'm wrong.

[Sniffles]

I am wrong.

I do want my family
to forgive me.

Oh, boy.

[Clicks teeth]

I ain't gonna make this one.

Oh, shit.

This would never be me.
This...would not be me.

[Voice cracks]
I feel for my family.

Whew.

You see The Iceman crying.

Not very macho...

but I've hurt...

people that mean...
everything to me.

But the only people
that mean anything to me.