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| went to law school.
| was working on Wall Street.
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Ane Julia was working ror a tledgling
new company called First Artist.
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Ane she met and loecame iriencs
with Tony Bill.
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Tony had a vision.
And he was telling us...
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Liat tere are alll these incividualls
COM MOROUO MITES CNOO/s
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ane MODody will read their scripts
or take them seriously.
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And one of the things
iat Ne Came ACTOSS...
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L WAS an idea for a movie
AloOu CON Men...
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,. Oy a USC film student,
Davicl Ward.
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Well, of course, this was le Sting.
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And we cdecicied to pool alll our money
and try to do this ourselves.
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When we arrived in Hollywood,
the door had opened a crack...
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,.OSSloly because of Easy Rider.
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Flollywood iin the "60s had lbeen
struggling and the conclusion was...
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ANEYVOS WE SNOUlG Step back a loft
and let some of these young kids...
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AKG 4 SHO whi what they like:
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Brian DePalma lived next coor
to Julia anc | out at tine
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We lived norta of Mallilou
in a place called Trancas.
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And lae was living with Margot Kidder
and at one point he said to me...
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-lNere WAS & journalist
who was doing 2 story on him...
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L-wino hac writen a Script,
this was Paul Scaracier.
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And he cheln't like it tor linsel
out Ae thought it would appeal to me.
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SO AS gave me the Script
and | instantly fell in love with it,
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BICKLE: | dont believe that one should
clevote his life to monoid sel-atiention,
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| believe that someone shoule!
become a person like other people:
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[GUNFIRE]
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PIFIILLIPS: This was, | guess,
the summer of 73.
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Wien | read tine seript..4
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and reallly loved tt
and wanted to get involved:
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And! orougint it to my pariners...4
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, and paid Paul the sum off
$1000 for an option.
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ere Were ASOSCKS tO Itt.
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You know, loeing into the soul
Of a man in pain...
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ald Glinpsing, through lAls cary...
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ne MeGNanism through which=
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niow he Sees Ire and how Ine arrives
at his decisions was fascinating.
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And also winat || love was tine=
We had to fight to keep this.
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ne Ideg at tne end.
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linet the difiierence
loSuween & hero and 2 monster...
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AS SUCH @ Tine line that It's
whoever happens to be interpreting...
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L ~AWhOSVErsS tie first ONS to Say,
"This is what happened"...
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L clevines Ii.
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BICKLE:
June Sin
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My Ine has taken
another tum again.
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Ine days move along wit
regularity, over and! Over...
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One day incisiunguishalle
rom the Next
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A long, continuous chain:
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And then suddenly...
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Alera IS Change.
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PHILLIPS:
Problem was that it wasnt The Sting:
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(ne Sting was a classic
Elollywood movie.
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BUK It certainly wasn't disturoing
like Jag Driver.
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And winen we took it out
to try to put it togettier...
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Very Studio, wed wall In the coor
and they'd say, "What do you got?”
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We were greeted
with a lot of negative response,
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BICKLE: | hope this care!
finds you all well, as it does me.
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/ hope nO One has cliec!:
Dont worry about me.
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One day there will be a knock
on the door and it] be me.
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PHILLIPS:
One day, Paul Schrader said:
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“YOU ave tO See this movie,
Mean Streets.
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There's 2 rough cut screening
next week. | can get you in.”
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We went to the screening and |
remember midway through, | was sold
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And, you know,
talked to Julia and said:
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Not only do we want this cirector
out we want that actor.”
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SCrINADERS
We saw this cut of Mean Streets]
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And | remenioer talking to Julia,
saying, "Boy, it should=
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Travis Bickle, that’s reallly De INiro!
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It should be Bobby."
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PIRILLIPS: So aitier the screening
was over, we said to Marty...
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WO Wanted to offer this project
to the two of them, tied together.
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And tiney loth liked tt,
they both wanted to do it.
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SCrINADERS
Still it was cifficullt,
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We all pac] to mest...
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rlave 2 Measure Of SUCCESS
pefore it could get financed.
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Ane! we alll! cid.
AN MOUMOMUSHNACKAESUICeeSss
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POrmunately, it alll worked
io our loenerit.
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BECAUSS Overy inne
Wwe Wwoulc lose them...
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_.-miey o GO do something wondenrul,
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Marty cid
Alice Doesnt Live Here Anymore.
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BODDY SACIed UP CONG
ihe Godfather I) and winning an Oscar.
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| see Jax Driver as Something
that became a bargain.
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David Begelman was tne heac
of the studio,
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lim reallly gratetul
iat He tinanced tie (ila,
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At some level as 2 businessman,
AS thought...
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-GSnng wis GUY WAO won
an Academy Award...
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L ano 2 igientoc oyrector4
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Really, it just rlpened.
It’s like a plece of fruit:
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It Got, at ONS POINtt,
it Got to be attractive.
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-Wait a second, | wanna tallk to you.
Look, | have to go.
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PHILLIPS: We couldn't onier then
4 Siar date...
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,--SO We Cont want to lose Marty
for 2 Veal...
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-- ASCAUSS & lot can happen,
all of it bad, if you wait a year.
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Marty had! to delay again because
AS was gonna do 2 project...
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wit Marion Srando gloout Indians:
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This was a traumatic time
for the Jax? Driver team.
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Fie was ducking me
and | was chasing him around town:
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Leaving Notes On his Car,
trying to guilttrip hina tinto...
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LAO doing the Indian movie,
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Everyoody got availalole,
the budget was right...
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And we had a lite ont
of a honeymoon with Columbia...:
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, WOCAUSS We had just orouglt them
Close Encounters...
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.WnIGh they were In Competition
with another stuciio...
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LAG WO Gave it to them.
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SO just ON that daly,
everything lit green...
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and we Got a yes trom Columioia.
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| got some bad ideas in my lInead.
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-lake your hands oft
-Okay, just leave.
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PHILLIPS:
It was my baloy.
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| had to fight tor tt anc oe with it
every step of the way.
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It was my role in our parmnershlp
to los the on-set producer.
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It was Not a favored picture
at Columioia.,
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There was just remencous
amount or heat...
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and I'm glad we were SAooung
in New York loecause...
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Liat 3000 miles kind of saved us..J
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| Om) toO MUCH Intervention,
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| do wnatever | can cdo to help
we director...
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AAKe tie best tilm he's capalole of.
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In this case with Marty,
there were NO SUMPTISeS...
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, -SCBUSS alll through preparalion..4
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we knew what the approach was
going to be, in every sequence.
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You know, tor instance,
the gun salesman, Steve Prince...
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-€] triend or Marty's,
and this is a case where Marty...
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.. allowed the actor
tO Go & lot of improvisation.
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cs a premium, lhigh-resale weapon.
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PHILLIPS:
rie wasn't an actor, | was nervous,
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ANNIDY
ookdaiaunaie
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PHILLIPS: You know, lhe was a iirienc
of the Gdirector’s ancl this
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Didnt have a lot
in the way of screen credits...
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and nad to hold his own
in 2 One-on-one scene with Bobby.
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ANDY: Tlhres-iitty tor the Magnum,
250) for te .33.
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PHILLIPS: But Marty knew
something aloout Steven Prince...
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and what Ae could get out of lim.
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And ne knew that it would oe an
unpredictable, surorising perionniance.
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rlow about dope? Grass?
Hash? Coke?
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Nembutal? Tuinal? Chiloral hydrates?
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Its more than | hac hoped
it would bbe. | loved the script.
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But Marty orought another layer
to it that only he could bring.
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And | love the fact that people,
Still to this day...
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OW) YEARS laner...
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talk aloout it, are Intluenced loy it,
single it out as a film...
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L One Of tigelr favoriiies,
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Ane! || ope
that it inspires filmmakers...
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. WO loreak new boundaries
and go for...
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Something that is not a tormula,
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It violates a lot of traciiional rules
of screenwriting and moviemaking.
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But | think that ir you work
with your heart...
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o2eAlS OPPOSSA to= A little lone
from your head to stay on track!
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Out if the primary inpulse
is coming from your heart...
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--- VOU have the GAance
of creating something...
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nat people reallly teel
and will be atiiected by.
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