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Our imperative is to find out
exactly what did happen that night...
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and right now,
I have lots of questions.
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If there is anything to find,
it's gonna be with the head.
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Fogerty had four other
probationers from Hendon with him.
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One of them was you.
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Am I a suspect here?
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I think we talk Friday
about my money.
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We think you can help us...
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throw some light on the
events of an evening 30 years ago.
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We're done.
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And whoever sent you from upstairs,
tell them, "Nice try, but no cigar."
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It's me, we need to meet.
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Evening, everybody.
-DCI Cassie Stuart.
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I do remember Rob on that night,
of course, how could you not?
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But not this lad.
-Do not tell your brother this.
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I have a criminal conviction.
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If we lost that money,
you could ruin us.
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And what would you do for me
in return?
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I want my half to go to charity.
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Given what I know that
you'll be doing for me.
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I get it, Grandad. I understand.
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Could I just run a few other
names past you? Liz Baildon?
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No.
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What are you doing? Are you insane?
-Tomorrow, 11 o'clock.
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Pay for your train ticket in cash.
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I have a witness, who can confirm
that Walsh was being chased.
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The chase suggests that his murder
was in some way provoked.
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Jake?
-I found the rest of him.
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Hey-ya.
-Hey.
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So, how did it go?
-Yeah, good.
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And?
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I think you need to let it go, Mum.
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He knows exactly what he's doing,
it's got nothing to do with her.
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Right.
-Sorry.
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No, fine.
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Just don't come running to me
in ten years' time...
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when you've got no money
for a deposit on a flat.
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Right. Yeah, well...
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Now I know. Thanks for that.
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I am so sorry.
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Don't be daft, it's not your fault.
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So, um, welcome home.
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Well, that sounds very nice.
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Doesn't it?
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How are the girls?
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Very excited to have
their own rooms, as you can hear.
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Yeah.
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I need more of this.
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What's this?
-Year 10 debating prize. I won it.
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When was this?
-Yesterday.
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Erm, I did tell you I was doing it,
but... You had Jack's evening, so...
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Mate. Well done.
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So well done.
That is just brilliant.
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And... I'm so sorry
if we're not always on it.
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You know, he takes up
a lot of our time.
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But you...
You're an absolute star.
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Really are.
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Wow, he looks almost... mummified.
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Well, with the fridge unplugged
and open...
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that's pretty much what's happened.
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Can we be sure it is Matthew?
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I'll be sending samples for DNA,
obviously, but it is male...
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we have laryngeal prominence here,
and a quick look at the teeth...
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certainly suggests
the right age group.
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And you know
what I'm gonna ask next?
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The answer is a cautious maybe.
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There's a depressed fracture
over the temple here...
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which certainly has to be
a contender for cause of death...
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but let me do an X-ray, open him up,
and then let's see where we are. OK.
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And did Jay call you yet?
-Jay? The forensic botanist?
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He's had some interesting results
on the leaf material on the T-shirt.
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Er, no.
-Anyway, he'll call you.
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So, Murray's had a quick squint
through the mobile phone records.
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No indication that any of them
are speaking to each other yet.
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Well, not on
their regular phones, no.
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We are also looking into
phone mast data.
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Cheers, Leanne. We'll speak later.
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Hi. DC Fran Lingley.
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Trying to trace a man...
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we believe may have stayed here
a few years ago.
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Wondered if you had any records
on him. Name of Clive Walsh.
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Also, I spoke to Hendon first thing.
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Trying to locate that intake's
lead trainer for us. Yeah.
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I just think the more of a sense
we can get of them as people...
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cos if this was a murder...
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that is just such
an extraordinary thing...
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for five newbie coppers
to have been involved with.
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That just doesn't come
out of nowhere, does it?
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Er, yeah, OK. The last record
we've got of Clive...
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he's been given a residential place
just under two years ago...
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in a halfway house in Bow.
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Fiona?
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Lizzie. Hello.
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I have to search you, I'm afraid.
-I'm sorry?
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I have to check
you're not wearing a wire.
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Wearing...?.
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Jesus, Liz. What do you think of me?
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Or I'll walk away.
-Liz.
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OK. OK. My God.
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I need to see your phone.
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I need to know you're not recording
anything. Thank you.
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So... I presume they've
spoken to you? The police?
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Yes.
-But what have you said?
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I just told 'em the truth, Fiona.
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Like we agreed. I hope you did too.
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Fuck. No. Sorry.
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It was 30 years ago.
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What did you tell them, then?
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I told them...
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I was too drunk
to remember anything.
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OK. Well, that can work for now.
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And if they interview you again...
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then the truth can slowly
come back to you.
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Right.
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You remember it?
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Erm...
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after Rob got pulled,
you drove the rest of us home...
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before taking his car back to his,
which was near where you lived.
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And how did I get
from Rob's to my flat?
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You walked?
-Good.
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And, erm...
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what if they find out
about the pub?
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They won't find out about the pub.
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They have no connection to us
in the pub. No names, anywhere.
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They might find someone. That's
what they do. You should know.
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What if they find out about the pub?
They might find out about the rest.
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About what you did for me.
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They might find out
about everything.
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I'm sorry. I can't...
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I can't just be cold and hard
about it like you can.
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I'm trying to remain
as dispassionate as possible.
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I think it's the most useful thing
to do right now.
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I have to go.
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If you need to contact me...
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I've set up a Hotmail,
Betty two-nine-zero-two.
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You're still beautiful, Fi.
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I hope your life has been happy.
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So, three weeks before
Matthew Walsh goes missing...
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he was cautioned
for an incident in a pub.
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A physical altercation
with another drinker.
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Now, he wasn't charged,
so it can't have been that serious...
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but the reason I mention it is cos
of the pub it was in, The Ifield.
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What, our Ifield?
-Hendon Lane.
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Now, pretty much everyone
who trained at the academy...
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drank at The Ifield.
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So, I was thinking...
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What are the chances the ruck
he had was with a probationer?
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Exactly.
-Nice. I like that, Murray.
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I like that very much.
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Ian Henderson?
DCI Cassie Stuart, DI Sunny Khan.
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Yeah, I trained all five of them.
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OK, can we start with Ram,
then, please?
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Ram hasn't changed in 30 years.
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He was a cocky little runt
back then...
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and from what I've heard,
he's still a cocky little runt now.
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Used to play the race card
at every opportunity.
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Still does, from what I hear.
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When you say, "Play the race card",
what do you mean?
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Objects to being called a Paki
on a daily basis?
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You come from Wales,
you get called Taff, Scotland, Jock...
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it's the same difference.
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It isn't, but let's maybe
not go there right now.
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So, aside from being cocky,
what was he like as a person?
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Was he good copper material?
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Here's the deal. I always thought
Ram would go right to the top...
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or end up in prison.
-Prison?
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Listen, the lad was a smart boy,
there's no doubt about that.
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He was ambitious, charismatic,
very funny, people liked him.
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He was also fucking angry.
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He had a massive chip
on his shoulder about his colour.
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You combine that with his
risk-taking and his liking power...
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a bit much,
well, it makes him dangerous.
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The proof of the pudding...
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you check his disciplinary record
over the years, yeah?
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I mean, the guy obviously thought
he was untouchable.
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And worse still,
that he had a right to be.
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Now, personally,
I think if he'd been white...
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he'd have been inside by now.
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So, you think he could have
been capable of breaking the law.
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100%.
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Did you see anything, anything
specific when you worked with him...
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that led you to this conclusion?
-No.
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So, it's just
a generalised prejudice, then?
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You wanted my opinion,
I've given it ya. OK, moving on.
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Dean Barton.
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Deano. Well,
Deano was the polar opposite.
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One of the most instinctive coppers
I ever trained.
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Fast-thinking, very analytical
brain, great team player.
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OK, so...
-Hello, mate.
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All right, Ram.
-Dean told me that he left...
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because he didn't think
he was a team player.
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All right, let me rephrase that.
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On the job, he worked well
alongside the others, yeah?
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But, er, yeah, socially,
yeah, I'd agree with you.
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Yeah, he was a loner. Very private.
Secretive, almost.
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But honest? You trusted him?
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Deano? He was a straight as a die.
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So, tell me about Liz Baildon.
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Unsurprisingly, a natural.
Yeah, the Prof, we used to call her.
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Great under pressure,
very level-headed.
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She's a great team leader.
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She had a way of motivating people
effortlessly.
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And was she out then?
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No, the climate was different
to today.
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It wasn't as easy to admit
you were gay.
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So, no relationships
that you remember?
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Well, not in an open sense...
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but she was as thick as thieves
with one girl.
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Who was that?
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Your fourth name.
-Fiona Grayson?
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Yeah, or the Wet Blanket,
as we used to call her.
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Literally no idea
what she was doing there.
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I mean, she was
a perfectly capable lady...
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but she clearly hated
the whole set-up...
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and I wasn't surprised
when I heard she'd quit.
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OK, and finally, Rob Fogerty.
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Yeah, I liked Rob. Nice guy.
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A little sorry for him when
I heard he got chucked off, but...
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well, it didn't surprise me.
He's not the sharpest knife.
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And he was a big guy.
Was there any violence in him?
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No, the opposite.
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I really had to push him
when we did restraint training.
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No, there was nothing violent
in Rob.
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No, he's a real gentle giant.
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Can you think of anything else
connected to any of them...
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that sticks in your mind?
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Anything you haven't
already touched on?
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You know, the five of them,
they formed a little gang.
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I was never quite sure what it was.
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I mean, they all came from
very different backgrounds...
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they have very different
personalities, but...
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there was some sort of connection.
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Then, on the day
of the passing-out parade...
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I think I saw what it was.
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What? Not one of them had a guest.
Yeah, yeah. Exactly. Right?
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I mean, everyone has guests,
haven't they?
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Mums, dads, siblings, friends,
someone, but no... no, not them.
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And I think that's
what their connection was.
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For whatever reason...
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they were out on their own.
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00:15:05,606 --> 00:15:07,681
Are you gonna be able to find
stuff out, do you think?
242
00:15:07,806 --> 00:15:11,321
If it moves forward, keep us ahead
of the game? I'll do what I can.
243
00:15:11,446 --> 00:15:13,510
But obviously,
if they start looking at us closely...
244
00:15:13,635 --> 00:15:15,351
they'll be looking at me closely,
so...
245
00:15:15,476 --> 00:15:18,216
Bottom line, we stick to the truth,
you know. We'll be fine.
246
00:15:18,341 --> 00:15:19,741
We hope.
247
00:15:21,916 --> 00:15:23,650
So, I've got to go, fella.
248
00:15:25,246 --> 00:15:27,281
That business the other day,
all went all right?
249
00:15:27,406 --> 00:15:29,231
Yeah. Yeah, it was fine.
250
00:15:29,356 --> 00:15:33,201
Thanks for helping out
at short notice. Last time, yeah.
251
00:15:33,326 --> 00:15:37,126
I've moved on now.
-Absolutely, me too. It's a one-off.
252
00:15:39,046 --> 00:15:42,313
You look after yourself, buddy.
-Yeah, and you.
253
00:16:04,326 --> 00:16:05,885
Hello, is it Clive?
254
00:16:06,010 --> 00:16:08,041
Yes.
-Hello, Clive.
255
00:16:08,166 --> 00:16:10,121
My name is DC Fran Lingley...
256
00:16:10,246 --> 00:16:13,806
and I have some news
about your brother, Matthew.
257
00:16:15,606 --> 00:16:16,791
Sweet cicely?
258
00:16:16,916 --> 00:16:19,371
Yes, so it's native to the north,
which means...
259
00:16:19,496 --> 00:16:22,091
you're very unlikely to find it
growing wild down here.
260
00:16:22,216 --> 00:16:25,481
OK. 'So, within the rough area
he was last seen in...
261
00:16:25,606 --> 00:16:26,791
I'd be looking for...
262
00:16:26,916 --> 00:16:28,561
vegetable plots in gardens, or...
263
00:16:28,686 --> 00:16:31,791
and for me this is the most likely
scenario, an allotment.
264
00:16:31,916 --> 00:16:34,321
Right. Thank you.
265
00:16:34,446 --> 00:16:36,544
And he is happy to come here?
-Yes, he is.
266
00:16:36,669 --> 00:16:37,321
OK.
267
00:16:37,446 --> 00:16:39,430
We're on our way back.
Be there in about 20.
268
00:16:39,555 --> 00:16:40,955
OK, see you then.
269
00:16:43,326 --> 00:16:45,446
OK, Clive. Shall we get going?
270
00:16:48,765 --> 00:16:52,351
Fran's found the brother.
-Whose brother? Matthew Walsh's.
271
00:16:52,476 --> 00:16:55,351
Turns out he was with Matthew
the night he disappeared. No.
272
00:16:55,476 --> 00:16:58,630
He was having a pee in the bushes
when the car pulled up.
273
00:16:58,755 --> 00:17:01,046
He saw everything.
274
00:17:05,635 --> 00:17:09,710
Yeah. I remember the case,
because of his colour.
275
00:17:09,835 --> 00:17:11,401
Whose colour?
276
00:17:11,526 --> 00:17:13,431
The probationer
involved in the altercation.
277
00:17:13,556 --> 00:17:17,710
So, you receive details
that Walsh made a pass at a woman...
278
00:17:17,835 --> 00:17:19,071
Who was also a probie, I think.
279
00:17:19,196 --> 00:17:21,351
...and she blanked him,
and he got a bit lairy,
280
00:17:21,476 --> 00:17:23,601
and then a lad she was having
a drink with intervened,
281
00:17:23,726 --> 00:17:25,041
and that's when it all kicked off?
282
00:17:25,166 --> 00:17:28,321
After Walsh made racially abusive
remarks, I think.
283
00:17:28,446 --> 00:17:30,321
And I'm assuming
it was just a bit of handbags...
284
00:17:30,446 --> 00:17:32,510
because Walsh only got cautioned?
-No, not at all.
285
00:17:32,635 --> 00:17:36,071
Walsh actually gave the lad
a bit of a kicking. So...
286
00:17:36,196 --> 00:17:39,930
So, he was let off, because
my sergeant wanted it buried.
287
00:17:41,446 --> 00:17:44,061
If Walsh had been charged,
there would have been a court case...
288
00:17:44,186 --> 00:17:47,586
and the probationer would have
got in trouble and...
289
00:17:47,726 --> 00:17:50,121
Obviously, we'd just started
recruiting ethnic minorities...
290
00:17:50,246 --> 00:17:51,991
so it wouldn't have played out well
for anyone.
291
00:17:52,116 --> 00:17:55,510
So, the fact there's no other names
in this report, apart from Walsh's...
292
00:17:55,635 --> 00:17:56,630
that was deliberate?
293
00:17:56,755 --> 00:17:58,840
I didn't write this report,
my sergeant did...
294
00:17:58,965 --> 00:18:01,565
and he's been dead ten years,
but, yeah.
295
00:18:02,606 --> 00:18:06,991
I'm guessing he was protecting
the witnesses...
296
00:18:07,116 --> 00:18:10,835
the girl, and very particularly,
the Asian lad.
297
00:18:13,196 --> 00:18:14,840
And as we were walking
across Napley Green...
298
00:18:14,965 --> 00:18:18,166
I decided to duck
into the bush for a pee.
299
00:18:19,326 --> 00:18:23,481
Just as I did,
I heard a shout, "Oi. Walshy boy."
300
00:18:23,606 --> 00:18:28,630
I turned, and I saw this car
about 50 yards away...
301
00:18:28,755 --> 00:18:30,991
with a bloke getting out
the front passenger seat...
302
00:18:31,116 --> 00:18:32,630
and he was just running at Matty.
303
00:18:32,755 --> 00:18:35,089
And do you remember
what he looked like?
304
00:18:35,214 --> 00:18:36,201
Asian guy.
305
00:18:36,326 --> 00:18:37,431
And what did your brother do?
306
00:18:37,556 --> 00:18:40,431
Well, he looked pretty useful
and angry...
307
00:18:40,556 --> 00:18:44,431
and there was others in the car,
so he just ran.
308
00:18:44,556 --> 00:18:48,681
And I had just a second or two
to decide, you know...
309
00:18:48,806 --> 00:18:52,991
show him that there was two of us,
make him think twice, maybe?
310
00:18:53,116 --> 00:18:58,085
I've never had a fight in my life,
so I ducked down...
311
00:19:00,326 --> 00:19:01,726
and I hid.
312
00:19:04,166 --> 00:19:06,481
And then, the driver got out.
313
00:19:06,606 --> 00:19:11,166
Tall fella, ran off
in the direction of the others.
314
00:19:12,686 --> 00:19:14,760
And then about 30 seconds later,
the third man.
315
00:19:14,885 --> 00:19:17,952
I could still see two others
in the back seats.
316
00:19:18,246 --> 00:19:20,991
After about five minutes,
they got out as well...
317
00:19:21,116 --> 00:19:25,516
and they were all quickly off in
the direction the others had gone.
318
00:19:28,755 --> 00:19:32,201
But these two were women.
319
00:19:32,326 --> 00:19:34,481
And that was it.
320
00:19:34,606 --> 00:19:39,246
I never saw them,
or my brother, again.
321
00:19:41,085 --> 00:19:44,681
Why did you never say anything
about this at the time?
322
00:19:44,806 --> 00:19:48,351
I had a job.
In Cyprus, in a club.
323
00:19:48,476 --> 00:19:50,351
I had to fly out the next day
to start...
324
00:19:50,476 --> 00:19:52,710
but this was before mobile phones...
325
00:19:52,835 --> 00:19:56,321
so I didn't even hear
that he was missing for weeks...
326
00:19:56,446 --> 00:20:01,121
and when I did get back, early June,
pretty much everyone just reckoned...
327
00:20:01,246 --> 00:20:04,871
he was lying low, because of
the warrants that was out for him.
328
00:20:04,996 --> 00:20:08,476
Everyone reckoned
he'd just turn up one day.
329
00:20:12,196 --> 00:20:15,246
Except me, because in my gut...
330
00:20:16,835 --> 00:20:19,726
I think I knew that he died
that night.
331
00:20:24,396 --> 00:20:27,630
And the reason
I never said anything...
332
00:20:27,755 --> 00:20:31,910
that's because I did not want
anyone to know...
333
00:20:32,035 --> 00:20:36,286
what a snivelling gutless coward
I was.
334
00:20:39,816 --> 00:20:41,216
Thank you.
335
00:20:48,256 --> 00:20:51,361
OK. So, we now know for sure
that they all got out.
336
00:20:51,486 --> 00:20:53,331
And in pursuit of the victim.
-Exactly.
337
00:20:53,456 --> 00:20:55,081
Which means,
as far as I'm concerned...
338
00:20:55,206 --> 00:20:58,286
they're definitely
all in the frame now.
339
00:21:11,984 --> 00:21:14,498
So here is an allotment...
340
00:21:14,623 --> 00:21:18,809
and if we draw a line up
from where the car stopped...
341
00:21:18,934 --> 00:21:23,368
up here... up here...
342
00:21:23,493 --> 00:21:27,609
and ending somewhere
in the allotment...
343
00:21:27,734 --> 00:21:30,449
it fits very well with the various
witness statement sightings...
344
00:21:30,574 --> 00:21:32,659
at the chase.
-And if we can identify where exactly...
345
00:21:32,784 --> 00:21:34,659
on the allotment this plant
might've grown...
346
00:21:34,784 --> 00:21:36,859
we might find his actual place of death.
347
00:21:36,984 --> 00:21:38,089
I mean, my guess is...
348
00:21:38,214 --> 00:21:41,329
Look, it would had to have been
near the road to pull the car up to.
349
00:21:41,454 --> 00:21:43,368
Maybe we can even get
some boards up.
350
00:21:43,493 --> 00:21:46,089
Might trigger some more memories.
-Yeah, absolutely.
351
00:21:46,214 --> 00:21:48,089
OK, very good. Thank you. Caz?
352
00:21:48,214 --> 00:21:50,729
The only concrete thing I have
is on Fiona Grayson.
353
00:21:50,854 --> 00:21:53,388
A 1993 dangerous driving conviction.
354
00:21:53,513 --> 00:21:55,188
Trying to get the original files.
-OK.
355
00:21:55,313 --> 00:21:58,168
But nothing on Elizabeth Baildon
and nothing on...
356
00:21:58,293 --> 00:22:00,859
well, apart from his internal
disciplinary record...
357
00:22:00,984 --> 00:22:02,809
on Ramjeet Sidhu.
-Which we're looking into.
358
00:22:02,934 --> 00:22:05,009
Yep. And Dean Barton,
no criminal record.
359
00:22:05,134 --> 00:22:08,009
Although I am having trouble
finding a couple of basic documents.
360
00:22:08,134 --> 00:22:09,729
I can't find his birth certificate...
361
00:22:09,854 --> 00:22:12,418
and I can't find him on the census
pre '91. OK.
362
00:22:12,543 --> 00:22:14,859
And something else just to feed in
as background...
363
00:22:14,984 --> 00:22:18,889
all five of them had no guests
at their passing-out parade.
364
00:22:19,014 --> 00:22:22,009
No family, no friends. No nothing.
365
00:22:22,134 --> 00:22:24,939
Yeah. It's one to mull on, maybe.
366
00:22:25,064 --> 00:22:28,089
And definitely a picture
starting to emerge of Ram Sidhu...
367
00:22:28,214 --> 00:22:30,498
being a person who pushed
the envelope, even back then.
368
00:22:30,623 --> 00:22:33,418
We know he was probably first
out the car...
369
00:22:33,543 --> 00:22:37,659
so was probably the most likely
to catch up with Matthew first...
370
00:22:37,784 --> 00:22:39,904
and then, this afternoon...
371
00:22:41,014 --> 00:22:42,498
Murray slightly struck gold.
372
00:22:42,623 --> 00:22:45,089
So, three weeks before
Matthew disappeared...
373
00:22:45,214 --> 00:22:48,809
we've got pretty good evidence
to suggest that in a pub in Hendon...
374
00:22:48,934 --> 00:22:51,498
he committed an ABH on Ram Sidhu.
375
00:22:51,623 --> 00:22:53,298
No.
-The fight was over a girl.
376
00:22:53,423 --> 00:22:55,899
No names in the arrest sheet,
but we know our suspects were a gang...
377
00:22:56,024 --> 00:22:59,288
so there's a fair chance they were
all drinking together that night...
378
00:22:59,413 --> 00:23:01,808
and the girl was even Fiona Grayson
or Liz Baildon.
379
00:23:01,933 --> 00:23:04,447
For various reasons,
Walsh only got a caution...
380
00:23:04,572 --> 00:23:09,117
and Murray's trying to track down
Susie Montgomery, the landlady.
381
00:23:09,242 --> 00:23:11,317
But I think, alongside opportunity...
382
00:23:11,442 --> 00:23:15,642
fairly reasonable now to suggest
we also have a possible motive.
383
00:23:16,683 --> 00:23:20,988
Albeit one that for whatever reason
seems to have escalated...
384
00:23:21,113 --> 00:23:23,633
from a reciprocal slap
to something...
385
00:23:24,833 --> 00:23:28,147
far more violent
and involving four other people.
386
00:23:28,272 --> 00:23:30,948
So, I think we pull Sidhu in now,
confront him with this...
387
00:23:31,073 --> 00:23:33,633
and see what we get.
Thank you, guys.
388
00:23:47,633 --> 00:23:49,708
You don't think we should wait
till Murray finds out...
389
00:23:49,833 --> 00:23:52,147
if Montgomery's still around?
I mean, if she can ID Sidhu...
390
00:23:52,272 --> 00:23:54,198
or any one of the women...
-What are the chances?
391
00:23:54,323 --> 00:23:57,227
I mean, I was drinking in The Ifield
just a few months later...
392
00:23:57,352 --> 00:23:59,758
and she was about 500 years old.
393
00:23:59,883 --> 00:24:03,883
So, no.
Let's get him in now, please.
394
00:24:05,602 --> 00:24:07,002
Sure.
395
00:24:38,963 --> 00:24:40,198
Hiya.
-Hi.
396
00:24:40,323 --> 00:24:42,147
This is a nice surprise.
Were you up anyway...?
397
00:24:42,272 --> 00:24:43,838
No, no, here on a whim.
398
00:24:43,963 --> 00:24:46,628
I thought, if you had half an hour,
maybe we could just...
399
00:24:46,753 --> 00:24:48,918
Love, no,
I haven't got half an hour.
400
00:24:49,043 --> 00:24:50,558
OK, ten minutes?
401
00:24:50,683 --> 00:24:52,472
How about five?
402
00:24:54,323 --> 00:24:57,428
I don't generally take lunch.
If you'd booked me last week or...
403
00:24:57,553 --> 00:24:59,789
"Booked you"? Well, OK.
-Sorry, I don't mean that like...
404
00:24:59,914 --> 00:25:01,708
No, no, no, it doesn't matter,
it's fine.
405
00:25:01,833 --> 00:25:03,397
OK, I'll be quick, then.
406
00:25:03,522 --> 00:25:05,588
So, erm, I went into all
the agencies near mine...
407
00:25:05,713 --> 00:25:07,589
got a list of all the properties
within our range...
408
00:25:07,714 --> 00:25:09,508
that way we can get an idea
of what we're after...
409
00:25:09,633 --> 00:25:12,948
so, why don't you take a look
and we can discuss later?
410
00:25:14,883 --> 00:25:19,198
Perfect.
Thank you so much for doing that.
411
00:25:19,323 --> 00:25:21,038
Yeah, yeah, no problem.
412
00:25:21,163 --> 00:25:23,227
So have you spoken to your dad
again?
413
00:25:23,352 --> 00:25:25,678
Er, not since Eddie took him out,
no.
414
00:25:25,803 --> 00:25:28,318
I spoke to a lawyer, though.
-A lawyer?
415
00:25:28,443 --> 00:25:30,843
Yeah.
Only from work, mate of a mate.
416
00:25:32,163 --> 00:25:34,426
I just wanted the
top line on our rights.
417
00:25:34,551 --> 00:25:35,951
Cass...
418
00:25:36,522 --> 00:25:38,588
I mean, listen,
it's your life, but...
419
00:25:38,713 --> 00:25:40,428
I don't think a lawyer
is the way to go.
420
00:25:40,553 --> 00:25:42,620
Yeah, I know, I know, I just...
421
00:25:45,352 --> 00:25:48,708
F... fuck,
I can't lose this anger, John.
422
00:25:48,833 --> 00:25:50,300
I wish I could, but...
423
00:25:51,472 --> 00:25:55,558
On top of everything else,
that woman, she's just... she...
424
00:25:55,683 --> 00:25:58,317
Yeah, I know. I get that.
I do, but...
425
00:25:58,442 --> 00:26:01,528
Please don't tell either of them
you've spoken to a lawyer...
426
00:26:01,653 --> 00:26:05,120
because that'll just...
-Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know.
427
00:26:06,322 --> 00:26:07,773
I've got to go.
428
00:26:08,963 --> 00:26:13,197
I'll look at these later.
And, erm... it's a nice idea.
429
00:26:13,322 --> 00:26:14,758
And next week,
hopefully I'll be freer...
430
00:26:14,883 --> 00:26:16,088
and then let's do it properly.
431
00:26:16,213 --> 00:26:19,080
Yeah, I'll book you in
Ha. Piss off.
432
00:26:26,003 --> 00:26:27,403
Hey.
433
00:26:33,242 --> 00:26:36,117
Been trying to get hold of you.
Claire had no idea where you were.
434
00:26:36,242 --> 00:26:37,648
Well, I was at the meeting, why?
435
00:26:37,773 --> 00:26:41,008
Jack's temperature's gone up to 101.
-No.
436
00:26:41,133 --> 00:26:43,728
Do you think it's another infection?
-I dunno.
437
00:26:43,853 --> 00:26:47,367
But his chest sounds dreadful,
so... so I've called the GP.
438
00:26:47,492 --> 00:26:50,026
All right, I'll...
I'll go and see him.
439
00:26:51,572 --> 00:26:54,772
You never told me the police
had interviewed you.
440
00:27:00,853 --> 00:27:03,008
Yeah, Claire made some joke
about you being banged up...
441
00:27:03,133 --> 00:27:05,293
when I asked her where you were.
442
00:27:06,653 --> 00:27:09,168
Apparently, a detective came
to the office the other day?
443
00:27:09,293 --> 00:27:11,360
Yeah, I didn't wanna worry you.
444
00:27:12,053 --> 00:27:13,453
What was it about?
445
00:27:18,133 --> 00:27:19,533
Not that.
446
00:27:20,523 --> 00:27:22,293
No?
-No.
447
00:27:23,883 --> 00:27:28,350
There's nothing that's ever gonna be
able to connect us to that now.
448
00:27:29,523 --> 00:27:31,133
Promise.
449
00:27:33,242 --> 00:27:36,758
So what was it about?
-Just some weird...
450
00:27:36,883 --> 00:27:39,758
historical case,
some 30-year-old murder.
451
00:27:39,883 --> 00:27:42,008
They thought I might've known
one of the suspects.
452
00:27:42,133 --> 00:27:44,288
Jesus. Did you?
453
00:27:44,413 --> 00:27:45,558
No, of course not.
454
00:27:45,683 --> 00:27:49,133
The interview lasted five minutes,
it's fine.
455
00:27:50,242 --> 00:27:52,376
I'm gonna go up and see the lad.
456
00:28:02,853 --> 00:28:04,808
30th March 1990.
457
00:28:04,933 --> 00:28:06,849
The day of your passing-out parade.
You remember it?
458
00:28:06,974 --> 00:28:07,958
Of course.
459
00:28:08,083 --> 00:28:10,242
Good day?
-Lovely.
460
00:28:11,413 --> 00:28:13,928
Proud of your achievement?
-Very.
461
00:28:14,053 --> 00:28:17,387
So why no family there?
To share your day with you.
462
00:28:19,053 --> 00:28:22,288
Er, because I was supposed to be
a doctor or a lawyer or...
463
00:28:22,413 --> 00:28:24,447
go into the family business,
apparently.
464
00:28:24,572 --> 00:28:25,758
And how did that make you feel...
465
00:28:25,883 --> 00:28:28,038
that no-one came to celebrate
with you?
466
00:28:28,163 --> 00:28:32,447
Sad, but I knew they'd come round,
which they did, I think.
467
00:28:32,572 --> 00:28:34,506
They're very proud of me now.
468
00:28:35,723 --> 00:28:39,168
You went to a party that night.
-Yeah.
469
00:28:39,293 --> 00:28:42,133
Erm,
do you remember who you went with?
470
00:28:42,258 --> 00:28:42,958
No.
471
00:28:43,083 --> 00:28:47,447
Or what time you left?
-30 years later? No, sorry.
472
00:28:47,572 --> 00:28:50,373
OK. Erm, do you remember
who you left with?
473
00:28:51,133 --> 00:28:54,598
A couple of them, yeah.
-OK, who was that?
474
00:28:54,723 --> 00:28:58,492
Rob and Liz - Fogerty and Baildon.
-OK.
475
00:29:00,933 --> 00:29:02,367
Well, completely understandably...
476
00:29:02,492 --> 00:29:05,928
you couldn't remember
who you went with, but, er...
477
00:29:06,053 --> 00:29:07,598
quickly remembered
who you left with.
478
00:29:07,723 --> 00:29:10,648
Is there a reason that those names
have stuck in your mind?
479
00:29:10,773 --> 00:29:13,038
Because of something that happened
that night.
480
00:29:13,163 --> 00:29:15,008
What was that?
481
00:29:15,133 --> 00:29:16,878
Er, so...
482
00:29:17,003 --> 00:29:21,088
Rob, who was our designated driver...
483
00:29:21,213 --> 00:29:22,478
unbeknownst to any of us...
484
00:29:22,603 --> 00:29:24,928
had actually had a few drinks
that night.
485
00:29:25,053 --> 00:29:27,288
Dumb luck on the way back into town,
he got pulled over...
486
00:29:27,413 --> 00:29:29,117
by the traffic cop,
he was breathalysed...
487
00:29:29,242 --> 00:29:31,963
was over the limit and...
he was nicked.
488
00:29:33,083 --> 00:29:34,808
Ended his career
before it even started.
489
00:29:34,933 --> 00:29:36,478
So he got nicked, he got taken away...
490
00:29:36,603 --> 00:29:38,650
how did you then
get home after that?
491
00:29:38,775 --> 00:29:40,175
I think...
492
00:29:40,963 --> 00:29:44,363
Lizzie was allowed to drive
Rob's car, I think...
493
00:29:44,853 --> 00:29:47,158
she dropped us off in town first...
494
00:29:47,283 --> 00:29:49,648
and then dropped Rob's car
at his house.
495
00:29:49,773 --> 00:29:52,838
And, erm...
you still see Liz Baildon?
496
00:29:52,963 --> 00:29:55,478
No. I mean, at the odd police event,
but no more than that.
497
00:29:55,603 --> 00:29:58,210
Have you discussed this
with her over the past few days?
498
00:29:58,335 --> 00:29:59,735
No.
499
00:30:00,572 --> 00:30:04,963
OK. Because your recollections
are... pretty much identical.
500
00:30:06,242 --> 00:30:09,158
Yeah. It's what happened, so...
501
00:30:09,283 --> 00:30:11,447
And you don't remember
any of the people in the car?
502
00:30:11,572 --> 00:30:13,038
No.
503
00:30:13,163 --> 00:30:15,883
Dean Barton? Fiona Grayson?
504
00:30:17,283 --> 00:30:18,853
I'm sorry.
505
00:30:20,053 --> 00:30:22,317
And when the car was stopped
by the police officer...
506
00:30:22,442 --> 00:30:25,728
was that the first time that journey
that it had stopped?
507
00:30:25,853 --> 00:30:27,963
Yeah.
-OK.
508
00:30:30,492 --> 00:30:33,518
So, I'm gonna show you
a photo of a man now.
509
00:30:33,643 --> 00:30:37,808
The victim in this investigation,
in fact. Name of Matthew Walsh.
510
00:30:37,933 --> 00:30:40,478
And I'd just like to know
if his face...
511
00:30:40,603 --> 00:30:42,603
is in any way familiar to you.
512
00:30:46,163 --> 00:30:47,563
No.
513
00:30:48,963 --> 00:30:50,497
Well, have a good look.
514
00:30:53,933 --> 00:30:55,333
No.
515
00:30:56,213 --> 00:30:58,038
OK.
516
00:30:58,163 --> 00:31:01,958
I ask because we have a witness
who says he saw a car...
517
00:31:02,083 --> 00:31:05,288
with five people in it,
one unusually tall man...
518
00:31:05,413 --> 00:31:08,518
two women and an Asian man
pull up near a patch of ground...
519
00:31:08,643 --> 00:31:10,367
called Napley Green.
520
00:31:10,492 --> 00:31:12,237
Now, this is about a mile before...
521
00:31:12,362 --> 00:31:14,958
where you were pulled over
by the traffic cop.
522
00:31:15,083 --> 00:31:17,317
And the witness says
that one of the men...
523
00:31:17,442 --> 00:31:21,618
that matches your description,
got out, calling, "Oi, Walshy boy."
524
00:31:21,743 --> 00:31:24,748
And then chased after the victim.
-Ss...
525
00:31:24,873 --> 00:31:26,538
So, is your witness white?
526
00:31:26,663 --> 00:31:28,137
What does that have to do
with anything?
527
00:31:28,262 --> 00:31:30,498
OK, I'm not being funny or anything,
but to them...
528
00:31:30,623 --> 00:31:31,898
we do all slightly look the same.
529
00:31:32,023 --> 00:31:34,418
So you don't recognise this event?
530
00:31:34,543 --> 00:31:38,108
You don't recognise the name,
Matthew Walsh, or indeed his face?
531
00:31:38,233 --> 00:31:39,818
In fact, none of this
rings any bells?
532
00:31:39,943 --> 00:31:41,462
No, I'm sorry.
-OK.
533
00:31:42,592 --> 00:31:46,028
So, I think that you know
perfectly well who Matthew Walsh is...
534
00:31:46,153 --> 00:31:47,108
and I think you know him...
535
00:31:47,233 --> 00:31:49,308
because only three weeks
before this incident...
536
00:31:49,433 --> 00:31:51,349
I think you had
a racially instigated fight with him...
537
00:31:51,474 --> 00:31:54,308
in a pub in Hendon. What evidence
have you got for this allegation?
538
00:31:54,433 --> 00:31:56,698
This was in The Ifield.
-Yeah. What evidence?
539
00:31:56,823 --> 00:31:58,538
Did you used to drink in there?
540
00:31:58,663 --> 00:32:01,623
Listen...
541
00:32:02,823 --> 00:32:06,498
I don't know where you're
coming from with all this, but...
542
00:32:06,623 --> 00:32:08,538
I'll give you the benefit
of the doubt...
543
00:32:08,663 --> 00:32:11,108
and assume it's not from
the same place as 90% of the crap
544
00:32:11,233 --> 00:32:13,833
I have to deal with comes from...
but...
545
00:32:16,623 --> 00:32:18,290
you have nothing here.
546
00:32:18,983 --> 00:32:22,948
I mean, a witness comes out of the
woodwork 30 years after the event...
547
00:32:23,073 --> 00:32:25,137
and says he saw an Asian guy
get out of a car...
548
00:32:25,262 --> 00:32:27,387
and then a random Paki in a pub?
549
00:32:27,512 --> 00:32:28,983
Are you serious?
550
00:32:32,623 --> 00:32:35,290
Sorry, guys,
but I think we're done here.
551
00:32:46,623 --> 00:32:47,818
Don't, just...
552
00:32:47,943 --> 00:32:50,257
I just think we need
to slow down, boss.
553
00:32:50,382 --> 00:32:52,262
I just want it over.
554
00:32:53,623 --> 00:32:55,290
I shouldn't even be here.
555
00:33:13,823 --> 00:33:17,108
So I heard her, the other day.
556
00:33:17,233 --> 00:33:19,623
The police officer with you.
557
00:33:20,873 --> 00:33:22,382
I'm sorry?
-Me too.
558
00:33:23,582 --> 00:33:25,582
That I have to resort to this.
559
00:33:27,073 --> 00:33:29,473
You should've been better,
Elizabeth.
560
00:33:31,183 --> 00:33:33,023
I'm sorry, Eugenia.
561
00:33:34,623 --> 00:33:37,538
I have no idea
what you're talking about.
562
00:33:37,663 --> 00:33:40,818
I'm not a greedy person.
I don't want luxuries.
563
00:33:40,943 --> 00:33:44,308
But I do want to be able
to heat our flat...
564
00:33:44,433 --> 00:33:47,858
to feed my child properly,
and once in a while...
565
00:33:47,983 --> 00:33:51,743
very rarely,
buy her a pretty dress from Primark.
566
00:33:53,233 --> 00:33:56,748
So, really, not a lot.
And a fraction of what you have.
567
00:33:56,873 --> 00:33:59,137
But still, apparently,
too much for you.
568
00:33:59,262 --> 00:34:02,623
No, I didn't say that.
-?287.
569
00:34:03,712 --> 00:34:07,663
My overdue gas bill.
And ?9 an hour.
570
00:34:10,103 --> 00:34:13,228
That's what I'm blackmailing you
for.
571
00:34:13,353 --> 00:34:15,178
Which sounds pathetic.
572
00:34:15,303 --> 00:34:16,703
Even to me.
573
00:34:17,663 --> 00:34:20,098
But if you don't give me this,
I will tell the police...
574
00:34:20,223 --> 00:34:21,890
what your mother told me.
575
00:34:23,223 --> 00:34:25,157
Which I don't think you want.
576
00:34:26,943 --> 00:34:28,343
So...
577
00:34:29,153 --> 00:34:31,457
have a think and then maybe...
578
00:34:31,582 --> 00:34:35,353
No, I don't have to have a think.
You can have it.
579
00:34:52,712 --> 00:34:54,112
Hey.
580
00:35:01,712 --> 00:35:03,457
I just had a call from my brother.
581
00:35:03,582 --> 00:35:06,418
He said he could not,
in all conscience...
582
00:35:06,543 --> 00:35:09,178
keep what you told him from me.
583
00:35:09,303 --> 00:35:14,058
And so, I was just wondering...
if you had a conscience.
584
00:35:14,183 --> 00:35:17,698
I was just wondering if you felt
you could maybe give your partner...
585
00:35:17,823 --> 00:35:21,290
a bit of a heads up
as to what the fuck was going on.
586
00:35:35,382 --> 00:35:37,663
27 years ago...
587
00:35:41,863 --> 00:35:43,263
...I killed a child.
588
00:35:53,227 --> 00:35:57,588
They said I was speeding.
Doing 42 in a 30-mile area.
589
00:35:58,818 --> 00:36:01,538
And I lost control
going round a corner.
590
00:36:03,028 --> 00:36:06,628
I actually think she was
on the wrong side of the road.
591
00:36:07,097 --> 00:36:09,977
Either way... we collided.
592
00:36:11,128 --> 00:36:13,493
And there was a toddler in the back.
593
00:36:13,618 --> 00:36:15,018
In a car seat.
594
00:36:16,057 --> 00:36:17,924
It wasn't properly fastened.
595
00:36:19,338 --> 00:36:20,738
And he died.
596
00:36:22,057 --> 00:36:23,457
The little boy.
597
00:36:24,588 --> 00:36:29,418
And I received a conviction
for death by dangerous driving.
598
00:36:32,778 --> 00:36:36,852
How... how could you never
have told me this?
599
00:36:36,977 --> 00:36:39,458
I know, I'm so, so, so sorry.
600
00:36:42,378 --> 00:36:45,698
Was it your fault?
-I don't think so.
601
00:36:47,698 --> 00:36:50,232
But I'm not sure
I'll ever really know.
602
00:36:52,818 --> 00:36:55,018
I'm just stunned, Fi, that you...
603
00:36:56,128 --> 00:37:01,613
felt you could keep something
so significant from me for 17 years...
604
00:37:01,738 --> 00:37:03,543
how do you do that?
605
00:37:03,668 --> 00:37:06,588
How do you do that and stay sane?
I mean...
606
00:37:09,177 --> 00:37:12,177
is there anything else
you need to tell me?
607
00:37:13,588 --> 00:37:15,307
No. That's it.
608
00:37:21,488 --> 00:37:24,898
If we lose our deposit...
I swear, Fiona...
609
00:37:32,868 --> 00:37:35,363
I mean, what do people want
the police to be?
610
00:37:37,948 --> 00:37:40,003
Do they want us to be like them...
611
00:37:40,128 --> 00:37:43,213
just normal human beings
who will screw up...
612
00:37:43,338 --> 00:37:46,463
who will make mistakes?
We all accept that.
613
00:37:46,588 --> 00:37:49,866
We all say sorry and move on,
and that's the deal.
614
00:37:51,418 --> 00:37:53,852
Or do they want to believe
that we're not the same...
615
00:37:53,977 --> 00:37:57,102
that we've got some kind
of special powers that they don't?
616
00:37:57,227 --> 00:38:00,894
Cos, you know, that makes them
feel safer in their beds.
617
00:38:02,977 --> 00:38:04,458
What do they want?
618
00:38:05,768 --> 00:38:08,643
Cos it's got to be one or the other.
It can't be both.
619
00:38:08,768 --> 00:38:11,835
Mate, I can't even work
the Apple remote, so...
620
00:38:22,057 --> 00:38:23,591
Hey, what's the matter?
621
00:38:24,948 --> 00:38:26,348
Hey, hey, hey.
622
00:38:28,898 --> 00:38:30,298
What's wrong, babe?
623
00:38:31,668 --> 00:38:33,535
Do you ever get angry, Dean?
624
00:38:34,977 --> 00:38:37,177
At Jack.
-At Jack?
625
00:38:39,378 --> 00:38:43,312
Yeah, and I don't just mean
for being naughty, I mean for...
626
00:38:44,508 --> 00:38:45,908
for being him.
627
00:38:47,898 --> 00:38:49,898
Erm, no. No.
628
00:38:53,818 --> 00:38:55,218
I do.
629
00:38:56,378 --> 00:38:58,588
Sometimes, not often, like...
630
00:39:00,458 --> 00:39:04,227
half a dozen times
in his entire life, maybe I, erm...
631
00:39:08,227 --> 00:39:09,627
I blame him.
632
00:39:11,227 --> 00:39:14,258
I blame HIM, not his disability.
633
00:39:19,378 --> 00:39:22,003
For what I tell myself
he's stolen from us.
634
00:39:22,128 --> 00:39:24,538
From you, from me.
635
00:39:25,173 --> 00:39:26,782
From Cass.
-Marn...
636
00:39:26,907 --> 00:39:29,174
And I am telling you this, Dean...
637
00:39:31,307 --> 00:39:34,333
because I want you to know
that I am not who you think I am.
638
00:39:34,458 --> 00:39:38,283
That part of me
is just an awful person.
639
00:39:38,408 --> 00:39:42,533
But an awful person who,
well, at least, I hope...
640
00:39:42,658 --> 00:39:45,823
despite what I have just told you,
you still love.
641
00:39:45,948 --> 00:39:47,413
Of course.
642
00:39:47,538 --> 00:39:51,972
So, surely, surely,
that means you can tell me stuff.
643
00:39:52,097 --> 00:39:53,538
About your past.
644
00:39:55,868 --> 00:39:58,535
And about your family -
whoever they are.
645
00:40:00,618 --> 00:40:03,738
Things that maybe you think
will make me...
646
00:40:04,898 --> 00:40:09,658
hate you or fear you or whatever,
I dunno, because it just won't.
647
00:40:12,458 --> 00:40:15,823
But what is killing me
is the secrets.
648
00:40:15,948 --> 00:40:18,538
The years of secrets.
649
00:40:19,768 --> 00:40:24,977
Of writing a Mother's Day card
to a mother you told me had died.
650
00:40:26,408 --> 00:40:27,893
Going to Calais
when we were supposed...
651
00:40:28,018 --> 00:40:29,613
to have given up all that crap
years ago.
652
00:40:29,738 --> 00:40:33,172
Lying about where you are today,
I can't take it anymore.
653
00:40:33,297 --> 00:40:35,693
I just can't take the secrets
and lies...
654
00:40:35,818 --> 00:40:38,333
not when we've got so much else
to deal with.
655
00:40:38,458 --> 00:40:41,097
So, please... just talk to me, Dean.
656
00:40:43,148 --> 00:40:46,043
You're tired, Marn. I am too.
-No, Dean.
657
00:40:46,168 --> 00:40:49,126
We will do this... but not now.
658
00:40:49,612 --> 00:40:50,549
Please.
659
00:40:50,674 --> 00:40:52,720
Dean.
-Please.
660
00:40:56,658 --> 00:41:00,192
He's just down there at the end.
-OK. Cheers, mate.
661
00:41:15,297 --> 00:41:16,743
So, those are the original files...
662
00:41:16,868 --> 00:41:19,922
connected to Fiona Grayson's
driving conviction in '93.
663
00:41:20,047 --> 00:41:23,533
And it turns out that a child died
during this incident...
664
00:41:23,658 --> 00:41:25,773
in the car that she collided with.
-Wow.
665
00:41:25,898 --> 00:41:28,613
One of the officers attending
smelt alcohol on Fiona's breath...
666
00:41:28,738 --> 00:41:30,922
and so obviously tried to give her
a test at the time...
667
00:41:31,047 --> 00:41:33,133
but she was so upset,
crying hysterically...
668
00:41:33,258 --> 00:41:35,463
that they were unable
to successfully give her one...
669
00:41:35,588 --> 00:41:38,023
at the scene, so she was arrested
and taken to the local nick...
670
00:41:38,148 --> 00:41:40,003
where a blood test
was taken there instead.
671
00:41:40,128 --> 00:41:40,613
And?
672
00:41:40,738 --> 00:41:44,493
It was lost. Lost?
Lost where, the lab or the nick?
673
00:41:44,618 --> 00:41:46,333
The nick.
Before it got sent to the lab.
674
00:41:46,458 --> 00:41:47,613
Which nick was this?
675
00:41:47,738 --> 00:41:49,972
Kingston. Are you heading
where I think you're heading?
676
00:41:50,097 --> 00:41:53,052
So I checked where both Ram Sidhu
and Liz Baildon worked at the time.
677
00:41:53,177 --> 00:41:57,333
And? Baildon worked
at Kingston nick from '91 to '94.
678
00:41:57,458 --> 00:41:58,545
Man.
679
00:41:58,670 --> 00:42:02,052
Yep. And in the '91 census,
it details Liz and Fiona...
680
00:42:02,177 --> 00:42:04,693
as living at the same address
in Thames Ditton...
681
00:42:04,818 --> 00:42:06,872
about a mile or so
from Kingston town centre.
682
00:42:06,997 --> 00:42:08,192
But at the time of this offence...
683
00:42:08,317 --> 00:42:11,413
they're living at separate addresses
but both are still in the same area.
684
00:42:11,538 --> 00:42:14,023
If that blood test
had come back positive...
685
00:42:14,148 --> 00:42:16,693
Fiona Grayson would be in jail.
-Definitely.
686
00:42:16,818 --> 00:42:19,023
OK, so there are three explanations
here.
687
00:42:19,148 --> 00:42:21,348
One, this was just a coincidence.
688
00:42:22,898 --> 00:42:26,172
Two, they were an item
and she contrived...
689
00:42:26,297 --> 00:42:30,102
to have the blood sample lost
for personal reasons.
690
00:42:30,227 --> 00:42:31,688
And then, three...
691
00:42:33,148 --> 00:42:34,882
they weren't an item...
692
00:42:35,898 --> 00:42:37,413
but Liz Baildon was blackmailed.
693
00:42:37,538 --> 00:42:40,333
Fiona Grayson using whatever
the fuck happened with Matthew Walsh...
694
00:42:40,458 --> 00:42:43,258
as some kind of... leverage.
695
00:42:44,868 --> 00:42:47,068
I know what my money's on.
696
00:42:51,258 --> 00:42:52,213
Leanne.
697
00:42:52,338 --> 00:42:54,922
Hey. Cass. Any chance
you could pop in for five minutes...
698
00:42:55,047 --> 00:42:56,581
when you have a chance?
699
00:42:58,408 --> 00:42:59,808
What can I say?
700
00:43:01,018 --> 00:43:06,148
Just now, we found out, just now,
this actually happened.
701
00:43:09,848 --> 00:43:11,318
I feel differently.
702
00:43:11,443 --> 00:43:13,458
Jesus, Ram.
-I know.
703
00:43:14,658 --> 00:43:16,493
I'm sorry, but...
704
00:43:16,618 --> 00:43:20,023
I've just spent the last seven days
slightly killing myself mentally...
705
00:43:20,148 --> 00:43:21,815
to get to where you were.
706
00:43:23,508 --> 00:43:25,413
Trying somehow to find a way
of thinking...
707
00:43:25,538 --> 00:43:27,977
that we didn't have
to do this thing.
708
00:43:30,177 --> 00:43:31,577
This brutal...
709
00:43:32,598 --> 00:43:34,688
really horrible thing.
710
00:43:37,227 --> 00:43:39,253
You just changed your mind.
-No.
711
00:43:39,378 --> 00:43:42,688
I... I just, erm...
712
00:43:46,378 --> 00:43:50,283
What if something happened to me?
What if I got ill or...
713
00:43:50,408 --> 00:43:54,253
I don't know, anything, that meant
you had to do it all on your own?
714
00:43:54,378 --> 00:43:57,852
You know, I just started to think
how difficult that would be for you.
715
00:43:57,977 --> 00:44:00,493
I mean, I'm not definitely saying
we do go for termination...
716
00:44:00,618 --> 00:44:04,152
I'm not saying that yet,
I'm just saying... can we...?
717
00:44:04,868 --> 00:44:08,018
We can keep thinking...
for a bit longer.
718
00:44:15,938 --> 00:44:17,338
OK.
719
00:44:18,738 --> 00:44:20,972
OK, am I seeing
what I think I'm seeing?
720
00:44:21,097 --> 00:44:27,453
So, I'm seeing a sharp-ended object
approximately ten centimetres long...
721
00:44:27,578 --> 00:44:31,813
maybe three quarters of a centimetre
wide inside the skull cavity.
722
00:44:31,938 --> 00:44:34,023
And what do we think that is?
-No idea.
723
00:44:34,148 --> 00:44:37,102
I need to open the skull up now.
-It got in pre or postmortem?
724
00:44:37,227 --> 00:44:39,413
Again, I don't know
until I open it up.
725
00:44:39,538 --> 00:44:42,453
But best guess? From its position,
you would logically assume...
726
00:44:42,578 --> 00:44:44,613
it entered through
the temporal bone fracture...
727
00:44:44,738 --> 00:44:46,383
which, when I examined it properly...
728
00:44:46,508 --> 00:44:49,972
actually contained remnants
of brick dust, so...
729
00:44:50,097 --> 00:44:51,493
two theories...
730
00:44:51,618 --> 00:44:54,593
firstly, he was being chased
and at some point...
731
00:44:54,718 --> 00:44:57,923
he tripped and fell,
hitting his head on a wall...
732
00:44:58,048 --> 00:45:00,503
which maybe had a metal spike
of some sort...
733
00:45:00,628 --> 00:45:03,703
an old bolt from some railings
or whatever...
734
00:45:03,828 --> 00:45:07,263
and this is what killed him,
breaking off inside the skull.
735
00:45:07,388 --> 00:45:09,062
Or...
736
00:45:09,187 --> 00:45:11,263
he tripped and fell,
hitting his head...
737
00:45:11,388 --> 00:45:14,393
which rendered him unconscious
and, whilst unconscious...
738
00:45:14,518 --> 00:45:18,393
he was basically stabbed through
the head wound with this object.
739
00:45:18,518 --> 00:45:21,213
Jeez.
-Yeah. So...
740
00:45:21,338 --> 00:45:26,748
first theory, the chase that went
tragically, but accidentally, wrong.
741
00:45:29,418 --> 00:45:33,668
Second theory...
this was no accident.
742
00:45:35,187 --> 00:45:39,468
This was a very violent
and very deliberate...
743
00:45:40,798 --> 00:45:42,908
murder.
-Correct.
59817
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