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There is some evidence to suggest
that Hayley was strangled.
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DCI Stuart,
Hayley was a friend of mine.
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I was supposed to be doing
a cleaning job,
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Hayley did the job for me.
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It was in a holiday rental.
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I'd forgotten
that's who we let it to.
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He does that quiz show on the BBC.
James Hollis.
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Just give me ten minutes,
I'm not feeling 100%.
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Dad, this is not about the past.
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Or, at least, not the past
you're talking about.
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- I love you.
- I love you, too.
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Tim, it's your word against hers.
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I pretended to go out.
I just heard him go for her.
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I don't believe
I ever lost my temper.
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I'd really appreciate
having somebody here.
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They took money
I had for a deposit on a flat.
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I do think you should consider
opening a bank account.
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No. No. No. No. No bank accounts.
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I would feel very lucky to be able
to help you grow stronger.
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There'll be money
in the joint account tomorrow.
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Mr Carr sold my father a cash ISA.
We want to cancel it.
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I can't see any paperwork here.
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Mr Hollis, we wondered
if you had five minutes, please,
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to help us with a case
we're investigating.
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I will need my lawyer present.
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Els, it's Dad again.
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They've come about her.
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Oh, shit!
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Oh, you...
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Dad!
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- Dad!
- Yes?
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Morning.
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- Blimey! Are you all right?
- You left a pan on.
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Me? No.
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Yeah, I walked in
and it was burning.
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Is that your porridge?
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This was off when I left.
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Right. Well, I've, like,
literally just walked in.
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So.
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Well, it's still under warranty.
I'll get in touch with the company.
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I'm sorry. If I knew anything,
I'd tell you, Mr Hollis.
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- You know I would.
- I do. But if you do hear anything,
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tell him I need to speak to him.
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Tell him it's really urgent.
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And, so, in the end,
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the case really came down to
one person's word against another's.
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And in this instance,
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we feel bound to consider Dr Finch's
many years' exemplary practice
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and his reputation
as a hard-working, generous
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and trustworthy GP.
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And as such, we find
we do not uphold the complaint.
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I heard him. He might sit there now
looking like butter wouldn't melt,
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but he's got another side to him.
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Yeah, you look embarrassed, mate.
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You should, 'cause you're a disgrace!
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Gov.
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Yep?
- He's here.
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'Peter, its Mark Harper.
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'Kate and I can find no record
of any paperwork
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'relating to an ISA
in the name of Salthouse
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'and I need to know today
how a three-grand cheque from him
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'has been cashed. So,
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'you really need to call me.'
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There.
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OK,
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I'm going to change
all of your settings
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so that only your friends
can comment.
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What does it make them feel
when they say those things?
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I doubt very much
they feel anything at all, Mum.
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'Cause they're messed up.
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And that, that isn't about Dad
or about you or Hayley.
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It's about them.
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It's just a mirror people hold up
to themselves to shout at.
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I wanted, if I may,
to ask you about a house you rented
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in Middenham, in December 1999,
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which I believe,
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was an eight-bedroom house.
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Yes, I can't remember specifically
but, yes, it was big.
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- There were a bunch of us.
- Three other families?
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Yes, although,
for the first few days,
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there were only me and three mates.
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Our wives and kids
joined us on New Year's Eve.
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Right.
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It was primarily a golfing break.
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Mm, OK.
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And what were their names,
please, the men?
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Tim Finch.
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Chris Lowe.
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Pete Carr.
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- And are they all still around?
- Yep.
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Still friends?
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Yes, we were at school together,
so it's a long connection.
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And the families, can you
give me details of those people?
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Tim was there
with his first wife Derran
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and their two little girls.
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Pete was single at that time,
so on his own.
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And Chris Lowe was with his first
wife Laura and their little girl.
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And your wife?
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Yes, my wife Mel
and our little boy Eliot.
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- Are you two still together?
- No.
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- I remarried a few years ago.
- Oh.
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So, this is a photo of Hayley Reid.
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Do you recognise her?
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Yes.
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- And is that just from the papers?
- Sorry, where is this heading?
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We're just trying to corroborate
evidence from another witness,
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who thinks Hayley might have cleaned
the house you rented.
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- I have no recollection of that.
- You never saw her there?
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No.
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I mean, we were out most days,
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but, hey, this story was huge
and her photo was all over the TV.
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So, if she had cleaned our house
and any of us had have seen her,
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- then I think someone would have
mentioned something. - Absolutely.
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When did you return to London,
Mr Hollis?
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When the rental ended,
which would be
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perhaps
around the second or third.
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- And you drove back up
with your wife and child? - Yes.
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How did they got down there
on the 31st?
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Train. I picked them up
from a nearby station.
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OK. And this is the last question.
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What did you all get up to
on the Millennium evening?
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Well, as I remember, we,
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we had a meal in the house,
all together.
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Then, I think the...
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the children stayed up a bit,
till about nine or ten.
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I think the adults watched a movie
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and then all went to bed
after Big Ben.
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- Is that all of you?
- As I recall, yes.
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And then no-one went out again
for the rest of the night?
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No.
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OK.
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That's it.
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- Thank you.
- Thank you very much for your time.
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Sorry.
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- You said you guys met at school.
- Yes.
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- Where was that,
the school you went to? - Finchley.
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Right. And you all
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- lived round that area?
- Within a couple of miles, yes.
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OK, thanks again.
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Well, I think we want
to know more about four guys
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who grew up
half a mile from her grave.
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I think we do.
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Hollis, you wanker.
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Shit!
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And this sort of sized garden
is very unusual
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for a flat in this part of the city.
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It's also west-facing, so...
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Anyway, have a natter
and I'll be outside if you need me.
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Thank you.
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He's never had a garden
with grass before.
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You like it.
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I think it's perfect.
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What?
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There's a "but" coming.
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But,
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if we're going to be
properly together,
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I need to know who you are, Chris.
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Who I am?
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How does someone like you,
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so brilliant, so lovely,
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end up like you have?
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How does that happen?
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So we had two key leads
that I believed
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were potentially significant,
but were never resolved.
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St Matthew's C of E,
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which was burgled at some
point that New Year's Eve,
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with about five grand's worth
of 18-century silverware
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taken from a locked cupboard
in the vestry.
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Blood smears were retrieved on
some smashed glass into the vestry,
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but there were no matches
with anyone on our database.
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The church
is about halfway between The Swan
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and Hayley's parents'
original house.
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And one possible theory was that
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she saw something after
she left work,
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she went to investigate and
ran into the burglar or burglars.
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Certainly, I believe
it's worth following up again.
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And then a black car,
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which was seen driving
very erratically on the road
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between The Swan and her house
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at approximately 12:25,
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maybe 15 minutes after we know
she left the pub.
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No reg or make,
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but the witness thought
it was a black four-door saloon
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with a tow bar.
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Oh, and it's worth mentioning that
the weather was very bad that night, with
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heavy rain
from about 11 o'clock onwards
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and very poor visibility.
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That's it.
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So John will be available
for the rest of the day,
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and then on the phone,
at any point, for any questions.
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But given what he's just told us,
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I suggest DNA swabs should be taken
from any suspects we speak to.
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Thank you again, John.
That was very useful.
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So,
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specific points of action.
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Fran, can you double-check
all these timelines, please,
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for Hayley's movements
on the night of her disappearance
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- and the week before?
- Boss.
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- Murray, you take the witness
who saw this car. - Yup.
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And, Jake, obviously,
the body was found in London
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and, given that new development,
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- it's worth having another chat
with Adrian Mullery, I think. - Gov.
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And following this morning's
interview with James Hollis,
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myself and DI Khan
will certainly be speaking
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to the other three male
occupants of The Spinney.
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OK, that's it. Thank you, everyone.
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That was great. Thank you again.
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- Yeah.
- No problem.
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So are you heading back down
tonight or?
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No. No, no, my kids
live with their mum in town,
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so I'm going to stick around, spend
some time with them for a few days.
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- Right. How old are they?
- 21 and 20.
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Ah, same as mine. Boys or?
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Two boys.
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Jinx.
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Hm!
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Anyway, I better go
and check into the hotel, so...
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- Go for it. And we will
speak soon, I hope. - Yeah, absolutely.
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John. Thanks for that.
That was great.
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Listen, if you're at
a loose end any evening,
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there's always a few of us
at The Enterprise,
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if you fancy a drink.
It's just opposite.
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Yeah, great. Cheers.
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- I might take you up on that.
- Good.
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- All right, see you.
- See you.
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- See you.
- Cheers.
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- Ah.
- You're welcome.
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- Yeah.
- Hello.
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- Hola, gordo conejo.
- Hola, muy gordo conejo.
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- How you doing?
- Yeah, all good. You?
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Yeah, very well. I've just been
in Manchester on a work thing,
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driving back to Sussex now with Caz.
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- Oh, right. Give her my love.
- I will.
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But listen, very quickly,
I presume you've seen the news
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about the Hayley Reid case.
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- Yeah, I did. It's very sad.
- Oh, wasn't it?
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Anyway, the police are obviously
doing a general trawl
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for potential new witnesses.
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And they spoke to me this morning
about the house we rented.
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Right.
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- Apparently they think
she may have been our cleaner. - Wow!
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I said I couldn't recall us
having a cleaner
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and I certainly think one of us
would have noticed
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- if it had have been her, given
the amount of coverage. - Indeed.
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Anyway, the long and short is
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they're probably going to want to
speak to the whole gang of us, so,
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I just thought
that I ought to let you know.
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Yeah, no worries.
249
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Obviously,
they're looking for people
250
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who may have seen something
that only now seems relevant.
251
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But I told them we all
stayed in the house that night,
252
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eating with our families, so...
253
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Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
254
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I'll give Pete a bell and maybe
you could give Chris the heads up?
255
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Sure.
256
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And I've e-mailed some dates
for our meet-up.
257
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Oh, yeah, I saw. Item...?
258
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- I can do any of those.
- Excellent!
259
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Speak soon, mate.
260
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Yeah, cheers, Jamie.
261
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Jamie sends his love.
262
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How is he?
263
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Oh, he's very well.
264
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He's just trying to arrange
a get-together.
265
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The four amigos.
266
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That'll be nice.
267
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Yeah, it will.
268
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It's been too long. Much too long.
269
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Of course I remember.
270
00:16:22,391 --> 00:16:24,088
I was meant to have bought
the puddings and I forgot,
271
00:16:24,088 --> 00:16:26,764
so I legged it to the corner shop
and bought a load of Cornettos,
272
00:16:26,764 --> 00:16:28,755
which your ex
wasn't too happy about.
273
00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:32,124
Anyway, I just wanted to check that
you remembered it the same as I did.
274
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So, we're all ready for the 22nd.
275
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Chris has replied now so I'll book
a table and send you all a link.
276
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Just one quick thing
before you go, Jamie.
277
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Actually, I'm literally
just heading into a meeting, mate.
278
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Yeah, yeah, I'll be ten seconds.
279
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Jamie, I need a massive favour.
280
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I was married for
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12 years
282
00:16:54,453 --> 00:16:57,235
and I had, have, I have a daughter,
283
00:16:57,235 --> 00:16:58,408
Maya,
284
00:16:58,444 --> 00:17:01,706
who I last saw 17 years ago.
285
00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:06,675
My marriage ended early 2000.
286
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And because of some issues
that I had at the time,
287
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my wife Laura,
288
00:17:12,062 --> 00:17:15,208
she felt it was damaging for Maya
to be around that.
289
00:17:15,271 --> 00:17:17,946
And I'd run up some debts.
290
00:17:17,946 --> 00:17:21,768
So I went from living in
a nice house in Notting Hill to
291
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a one-bedroom flat in Acton
292
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and then a hostel and
293
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and then the streets.
294
00:17:30,844 --> 00:17:32,906
How long were you homeless?
295
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On and off for seven years.
296
00:17:37,164 --> 00:17:39,128
Oh, Chris.
297
00:17:39,315 --> 00:17:42,026
I'm so sorry.
298
00:17:42,035 --> 00:17:43,973
And you had no friends
who could have helped you?
299
00:17:43,982 --> 00:17:46,782
Yeah. Yeah. I had friends who would
have been desperate to help me.
300
00:17:46,782 --> 00:17:49,560
Yeah, but you have to want
to be helped. And I didn't.
301
00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:53,724
I hated myself. I thought I deserved
everything that happened to me.
302
00:17:53,777 --> 00:17:56,284
And your marriage,
303
00:17:56,302 --> 00:17:58,560
he issues you mention?
304
00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:00,231
OK, so,
305
00:18:00,257 --> 00:18:03,560
as you know,
I have bipolar disorder,
306
00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:06,826
which was undiagnosed at the time,
and so it was unmedicated,
307
00:18:06,844 --> 00:18:08,560
which meant that,
308
00:18:08,675 --> 00:18:12,808
you know, my behaviour
was challenging.
309
00:18:13,137 --> 00:18:16,106
And as soon as I started
costing my company money,
310
00:18:16,106 --> 00:18:18,888
it was inevitable
I'd be asked to step down.
311
00:18:21,173 --> 00:18:24,560
And that was
just not what she had married,
312
00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:27,400
an unemployed man
who had mental health issues.
313
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So she asked me to leave.
314
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And I did.
315
00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:37,928
And then, 18 months later,
she married a hedge fund manager,
316
00:18:37,928 --> 00:18:41,333
who bought her a house
in Holland Park, so.
317
00:18:43,093 --> 00:18:46,435
And then, in 2012,
318
00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:51,386
Maya wrote to tell me that
Laura had died from breast cancer
319
00:18:52,017 --> 00:18:55,555
and to ask that I stay away
from the funeral.
320
00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:59,013
I thought about writing back,
and saying that I was better now,
321
00:18:59,013 --> 00:19:01,315
that I was a different person,
322
00:19:01,315 --> 00:19:02,560
and I am.
323
00:19:04,213 --> 00:19:05,973
But I think there comes a time
324
00:19:05,973 --> 00:19:08,915
when you have to accept
how things have turned out.
325
00:19:09,075 --> 00:19:12,782
That life can sometimes
simply be unfair.
326
00:19:12,817 --> 00:19:15,884
And to keep resisting that,
327
00:19:15,911 --> 00:19:19,262
it takes so much energy, Mila,
328
00:19:20,302 --> 00:19:24,391
energy that you need for the future.
329
00:19:39,111 --> 00:19:40,760
Love?
330
00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:43,528
In here.
331
00:19:43,608 --> 00:19:45,560
Hey, Pete.
332
00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:48,071
Hello, Mark.
333
00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:51,475
What a lovely lady your missus is.
334
00:19:51,777 --> 00:19:53,768
I was just about to call you.
335
00:19:53,768 --> 00:19:55,813
You're punching above your weight
there, buddy.
336
00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:02,266
Three grand,
337
00:20:02,284 --> 00:20:04,737
and my apologies.
338
00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:08,960
I was stressed about some deals
and screwed up the paperwork.
339
00:20:08,968 --> 00:20:12,346
I accidentally paid Salthouse's
cheque into my personal account.
340
00:20:12,355 --> 00:20:14,080
But,
341
00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:17,431
there it is,
342
00:20:17,813 --> 00:20:19,560
all there.
343
00:20:24,675 --> 00:20:28,364
You know what we used to call
blokes like Pete, Maria?
344
00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:31,560
Filth.
345
00:20:32,008 --> 00:20:35,235
Failed in London, tried Hong-Kong.
346
00:20:35,262 --> 00:20:37,560
Bit of a Wild West out there,
wasn't it, mate?
347
00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:40,080
Attracted a very distinct
sort of person.
348
00:20:41,448 --> 00:20:43,560
I see you, buddy.
349
00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:50,560
Lovely to meet you, Maria.
I'll let myself out.
350
00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:02,035
I'm sorry about that.
351
00:21:05,111 --> 00:21:07,351
I need a shower.
352
00:21:08,817 --> 00:21:11,217
This isn't working, Pete.
353
00:21:11,653 --> 00:21:13,560
You and me.
354
00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,142
I'm sorry, but
355
00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:22,026
this just isn't what I thought
I was buying.
356
00:21:22,106 --> 00:21:24,826
It'll get better, babes.
357
00:21:25,573 --> 00:21:27,560
Trust me.
358
00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:31,822
I've got some really good business
coming in.
359
00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:58,560
Oh, I forgot to say, I've got
a couple of guests arriving.
360
00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:00,737
Can you show them in, please, Liz?
361
00:22:00,737 --> 00:22:01,911
Yes.
362
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:03,884
Thanks.
363
00:22:16,097 --> 00:22:18,204
Adrian.
364
00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:22,071
Have you got five minutes?
365
00:22:36,248 --> 00:22:38,746
Well, obviously I recognise her,
366
00:22:38,746 --> 00:22:42,017
but I don't recall ever seeing her
at the house at any point.
367
00:22:42,026 --> 00:22:43,902
As Jamie said,
368
00:22:43,902 --> 00:22:46,835
if we had have seen her, we would
have discussed it at the time.
369
00:22:46,835 --> 00:22:49,400
- It was a huge story.
- Absolutely.
370
00:22:51,804 --> 00:22:53,560
So,
371
00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:57,560
Mr Hollis, he told us
that the four of you had gone down
372
00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:01,146
- on your own, at first, to play golf.
- Yes.
373
00:23:01,360 --> 00:23:07,182
And then your wife Derran
and your girls arrived on the 31st.
374
00:23:07,182 --> 00:23:08,284
Yes.
375
00:23:08,364 --> 00:23:10,275
And how old were they, the kids?
376
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,457
Claire would have been eight
377
00:23:13,617 --> 00:23:16,195
and Emma just turned ten.
378
00:23:16,275 --> 00:23:18,266
I'm sorry,
just to go back on one thing.
379
00:23:18,302 --> 00:23:21,955
New Year's, the kids
would have gone to bed at...?
380
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,555
Nine, ten, maybe.
381
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:29,271
- And no-one went out after that?
- Nope.
382
00:23:30,302 --> 00:23:33,351
What car where you driving
back then, Dr Finch?
383
00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:40,551
I had my Audi in '99,
I think. An A4.
384
00:23:40,711 --> 00:23:43,080
Sorry, was that the saloon or...?
385
00:23:43,084 --> 00:23:48,195
No, the Estate. We needed
the space for holidays and stuff,
386
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:52,435
to save faffing around with a
top box or a trailer or any of that.
387
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:54,240
And what colour was it?
388
00:23:54,906 --> 00:23:56,560
Silver.
389
00:23:57,111 --> 00:24:01,560
And your wife and kids,
they went down by train?
390
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,915
With Jamie's wife and son.
391
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:10,142
- And everybody headed back to London
on the 2nd? - Yes.
392
00:24:11,288 --> 00:24:13,066
Did you all live in London then?
393
00:24:13,084 --> 00:24:15,120
All except Pete.
394
00:24:15,128 --> 00:24:17,946
He lived in Hong Kong.
395
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:23,662
And your marriage to Derran,
that ended when?
396
00:24:24,853 --> 00:24:30,151
What relevance has
when my marriage ended to anything?
397
00:24:30,604 --> 00:24:34,453
Sorry. If any question
makes you feel uncomfortable,
398
00:24:34,453 --> 00:24:36,808
you don't have to answer.
399
00:24:36,830 --> 00:24:40,933
- We separated in 2001.
- OK.
400
00:24:41,164 --> 00:24:44,560
And do you remember when Mr Hollis
and his wife separated?
401
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:48,071
Same year, I think. Or maybe 2000.
402
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:49,973
And Chris Lowe and his wife?
403
00:24:50,026 --> 00:24:53,528
Yeah, roughly the same time.
404
00:24:54,284 --> 00:24:56,311
And are you still in contact
with Derran,
405
00:24:56,311 --> 00:24:58,560
if we wanted to speak with her?
406
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:00,640
I haven't seen Derran
for many years,
407
00:25:00,648 --> 00:25:02,968
but I can get a number from my kids,
if you need it.
408
00:25:02,968 --> 00:25:04,640
That would be very helpful,
thank you.
409
00:25:04,675 --> 00:25:07,973
Oh, I should just say that
410
00:25:08,106 --> 00:25:14,222
she's had a number of issues
over the last couple of decades,
411
00:25:14,222 --> 00:25:16,560
depression, anxiety and so,
412
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:18,275
I'm not entirely sure
you'll find her
413
00:25:18,275 --> 00:25:20,560
the most reliable of narrators.
414
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:21,560
OK.
415
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:24,560
Well, thank you for that.
416
00:25:25,617 --> 00:25:28,364
And then, one last thing,
417
00:25:28,382 --> 00:25:30,693
and, I should say,
418
00:25:30,693 --> 00:25:32,951
do feel free to say no.
419
00:25:33,057 --> 00:25:37,315
But in order to help
eliminate you from our enquiries,
420
00:25:37,315 --> 00:25:39,484
how would you feel about
giving us a DNA swab?
421
00:25:39,564 --> 00:25:41,560
Yes, of course. No problem.
422
00:25:42,933 --> 00:25:47,560
So, if nobody went out after ten,
then it can't be them.
423
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,560
I mean, we know Hayley
was seen alive at 12:10, so...
424
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,560
Yeah, I think you're right.
425
00:25:54,222 --> 00:25:56,266
And if we're spinning our wheels
on these guys,
426
00:25:56,266 --> 00:25:58,560
I don't want to waste any more time.
427
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:00,906
Let's take the last two separately.
428
00:26:01,031 --> 00:26:03,080
Hi, Dad, it's me.
429
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,844
Look, I'm really sorry,
I'm going to be a bit late.
430
00:26:08,195 --> 00:26:11,475
Please call me.
431
00:26:21,768 --> 00:26:24,560
How many times
have you been here before, Jamie?
432
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:26,560
It'll be fine.
433
00:26:27,262 --> 00:26:30,115
You know,
the longer this goes on,
434
00:26:30,293 --> 00:26:32,844
the more his problems
435
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:35,804
consume him.
436
00:26:36,062 --> 00:26:41,484
The more you look at the paths we
took, the choices we made, I made,
437
00:26:41,493 --> 00:26:43,351
and think -
438
00:26:43,902 --> 00:26:45,600
was it then?
439
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:47,760
Was it that choice or
440
00:26:47,786 --> 00:26:49,706
that choice
441
00:26:49,715 --> 00:26:51,560
that messed everything up?
442
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,115
Was it then
443
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,964
that I ruined my child's life?
444
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:06,560
Call me.
445
00:27:19,377 --> 00:27:21,457
Sometimes, I just...
446
00:27:21,573 --> 00:27:23,560
- Hi.
- Hello.
447
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,142
Gemma left some school books
at mine, I brought them round.
448
00:27:26,142 --> 00:27:28,760
- And then she wanted
to show me her room. - Right.
449
00:27:28,773 --> 00:27:31,466
- Lovely place, though.
- Thank you.
450
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,457
Anyway, I need to shoot off.
451
00:27:35,857 --> 00:27:37,750
- Nice to see you.
- And you.
452
00:27:37,777 --> 00:27:39,560
Bye, girls.
453
00:27:40,977 --> 00:27:43,560
- Bye.
- Bye.
454
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:51,262
Yeah, well, you see, I'm from the
clip-round-the-ear-hole generation.
455
00:27:51,262 --> 00:27:54,560
- I think he'd still like to,
to be honest. - Oh, dear.
456
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:56,755
- And do you have children?
- No!
457
00:27:57,235 --> 00:27:58,835
Never had the
urge to be a mother.
458
00:27:58,844 --> 00:28:01,368
- Wow. Smart move.
- Tell me about it.
459
00:28:01,377 --> 00:28:02,862
They take so much from you,
don't they?
460
00:28:02,862 --> 00:28:06,053
- Not sure I'd see it quite like.
- Just, I'm too selfish, I think.
461
00:28:06,053 --> 00:28:08,231
- Yeah?
- Liked my career too much.
462
00:28:08,266 --> 00:28:12,231
I think, if you are going to have
children, you need to be around.
463
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,471
- Whoops.
- Well, yes. I mean,
464
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,431
an evening like tonight,
it's fine you letting us down but,
465
00:28:19,431 --> 00:28:21,946
how did you cope
when that was your kids,
466
00:28:21,955 --> 00:28:23,795
turning up two hours late
for supper?
467
00:28:23,804 --> 00:28:27,404
Oh, we muddled through.
468
00:28:28,426 --> 00:28:31,653
Anyway, Dad tells me
you're off to Venice at the weekend.
469
00:28:31,653 --> 00:28:36,382
- I know. You should tell him
to stop spoiling me. - I should.
470
00:28:36,426 --> 00:28:38,728
And first class, too.
471
00:28:39,084 --> 00:28:41,182
Venice?
472
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:51,560
Right. Yeah.
473
00:28:53,297 --> 00:28:56,266
Funny. Very funny.
474
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:04,746
Actually that's not quite
what I said.
475
00:29:04,755 --> 00:29:05,866
OK.
476
00:29:06,260 --> 00:29:09,777
I have it here, you said you
saw her leave just after midnight.
477
00:29:09,786 --> 00:29:11,070
No, I said she would have left
478
00:29:11,075 --> 00:29:12,995
just after her shift ended
at midnight.
479
00:29:12,995 --> 00:29:15,080
I never said I actually saw her.
480
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:16,426
Right.
481
00:29:16,460 --> 00:29:19,662
Guy Halford, the manager,
he's the one who actually saw her.
482
00:29:19,964 --> 00:29:24,053
Sorry. And so what was
the last time you saw her?
483
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:25,946
Just before 11.
484
00:29:25,982 --> 00:29:27,920
I was working through till three and
485
00:29:27,937 --> 00:29:29,560
I took a half-hour break then.
486
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,377
When Guy came back,
he put me in the bar
487
00:29:31,377 --> 00:29:34,728
and I just presumed that Hayley
was finishing up in the restaurant.
488
00:29:34,737 --> 00:29:38,791
And Guy Halford,
does he still live in Middenham?
489
00:30:01,413 --> 00:30:03,560
- Hi.
- Hi.
490
00:30:03,982 --> 00:30:07,920
I'm looking for Christopher Lowe.
491
00:30:07,928 --> 00:30:09,560
Hello.
492
00:30:20,186 --> 00:30:21,560
Go on.
493
00:30:22,284 --> 00:30:23,928
Stay there. Stay.
494
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,297
- Mr Carr?
- Yeah.
495
00:30:41,048 --> 00:30:45,022
DI Sunny Khan.
Have you got five minutes?
496
00:30:52,888 --> 00:30:54,560
No, I'm...
497
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:56,400
Sorry.
498
00:30:56,426 --> 00:30:57,991
OK.
499
00:30:59,973 --> 00:31:01,822
Absolutely sure?
500
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,604
- Yeah.
- You know who she is, though?
501
00:31:04,657 --> 00:31:06,746
Yeah. Of course, yeah.
502
00:31:06,764 --> 00:31:10,977
I mean, I never saw her
in that house.
503
00:31:11,457 --> 00:31:14,417
- Are you OK, Mr Lowe?
- Yeah.
504
00:31:14,435 --> 00:31:15,911
Yeah, I just...
505
00:31:15,946 --> 00:31:17,920
I don't cope with stress very well.
506
00:31:17,982 --> 00:31:20,853
- Would you prefer to have
someone with you? - No. No.
507
00:31:20,853 --> 00:31:23,560
- No, I'm fine, fine for now.
- OK.
508
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,560
So we're just asking everyone
we speak to
509
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,826
a number of general questions
to help us with our enquiries.
510
00:31:28,826 --> 00:31:33,377
So, can you tell me
what car you were driving that week?
511
00:31:33,386 --> 00:31:36,231
I didn't take a car.
I went down with Tim.
512
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:40,995
And then, did you and your family
travel back with him or...?
513
00:31:41,031 --> 00:31:43,093
My wife drove down
with our daughter and
514
00:31:43,093 --> 00:31:44,560
we went back in her car.
515
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:45,760
Right.
516
00:31:45,804 --> 00:31:48,044
So what car was she driving?
517
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:52,097
She would have been
driving the Maserati.
518
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:57,560
Right.
519
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:19,724
You know what?
I think I did see her at the house.
520
00:32:21,137 --> 00:32:23,760
Right. Are you sure?
521
00:32:23,795 --> 00:32:26,560
Yeah. Just one time, but,
522
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,560
she's got a distinctive face,
I guess.
523
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,191
- I think that was her.
- OK.
524
00:32:31,297 --> 00:32:33,560
Was that on your own or...?
525
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,395
I'd come back
from a round early.
526
00:32:35,395 --> 00:32:38,764
I was still a bit jet-lagged, so
I went back to the house for a kip.
527
00:32:38,764 --> 00:32:41,377
When I walked in,
she was there, hoovering.
528
00:32:41,413 --> 00:32:45,306
I said hello and asked if there
was anything else she could do,
529
00:32:45,306 --> 00:32:46,853
'cause of the noise.
530
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:48,400
What day would that have been?
531
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:49,440
Oh.
532
00:32:49,448 --> 00:32:53,022
I'd have to check a calendar.
Do you know when it was rented from?
533
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:54,560
Yeah.
534
00:32:56,275 --> 00:32:57,946
Monday the 27th.
535
00:32:57,950 --> 00:33:01,902
Monday. Well, we arrived
in the evening, I remember that.
536
00:33:01,946 --> 00:33:04,240
I think we just chilled
the next day,
537
00:33:04,257 --> 00:33:06,124
had a couple of bevvies
in the local
538
00:33:06,124 --> 00:33:08,080
and played our first round
the day after.
539
00:33:08,106 --> 00:33:11,484
So, I'm thinking the Wednesday.
540
00:33:11,795 --> 00:33:15,120
Just to go back to
the conversation with her,
541
00:33:15,244 --> 00:33:17,560
- was it just about the hoovering,
was it? - Yeah.
542
00:33:17,573 --> 00:33:21,400
When I woke up, the other lads
were back and she'd gone.
543
00:33:21,466 --> 00:33:24,444
And you didn't discuss this
with the others?
544
00:33:24,924 --> 00:33:26,600
Discuss what?
545
00:33:27,635 --> 00:33:30,560
That this girl,
546
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:34,808
who later went missing, had been
in the house you all rented.
547
00:33:34,808 --> 00:33:35,920
No.
548
00:33:35,973 --> 00:33:39,080
I mean, I drove back to London
on the 2nd
549
00:33:39,093 --> 00:33:43,084
and then flew out to Hong Kong
first thing the next day, so...
550
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:45,560
This was a big story?
551
00:33:46,133 --> 00:33:50,080
It was huge. It was in all
the national newspapers for weeks.
552
00:33:50,088 --> 00:33:53,644
Right, well, I had no idea
about that.
553
00:33:54,337 --> 00:33:58,328
And her photo being on the front
pages the last couple of days.
554
00:33:58,328 --> 00:34:01,560
Work's been crazy. I haven't
had time to look at the papers.
555
00:34:02,266 --> 00:34:07,653
I'm sorry, but the first I've ever
heard of this girl is now.
556
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,560
I suppose one of us
would have cooked
557
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,057
and then all of us,
with kids, I mean,
558
00:34:15,057 --> 00:34:16,302
would have eaten together.
559
00:34:16,328 --> 00:34:18,346
And that was a pleasant evening?
560
00:34:18,355 --> 00:34:20,053
- Yeah.
- Everyone had a nice time?
561
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:21,937
Yeah, we had a nice time.
Why do you ask that?
562
00:34:21,937 --> 00:34:23,560
Well, just
563
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:28,142
because Christmas and New Year
can be quite stressful, can't it?
564
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,560
And I understand your marriage
broke down not long after.
565
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:32,826
What has that got to do
with anything?
566
00:34:32,826 --> 00:34:34,648
Well, I wondered
if that was in any way,
567
00:34:34,648 --> 00:34:37,946
connected to something
that happened on this break.
568
00:34:37,955 --> 00:34:40,640
You know, I think I do,
I do need someone with me.
569
00:34:40,657 --> 00:34:43,351
Mm. And I can arrange that,
of course, but
570
00:34:43,351 --> 00:34:44,915
can you answer that question,
please?
571
00:34:44,915 --> 00:34:48,920
Because I'm aware that, of
the three of you that were married,
572
00:34:48,933 --> 00:34:52,080
all of you were separated
within the year.
573
00:34:52,088 --> 00:34:55,111
No, that was ...
nothing to do with anything
574
00:34:55,111 --> 00:34:56,560
that happened on that break.
575
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:57,560
So.
576
00:34:58,835 --> 00:35:00,560
Sure.
577
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,271
Who's that?
578
00:35:05,093 --> 00:35:08,933
That's my girlfriend and her son.
I want to stop now, please.
579
00:35:09,208 --> 00:35:10,560
One more thing.
580
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,386
Lastly, we're asking everyone
that we speak to
581
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,560
how they'd feel about
providing a DNA swab.
582
00:35:20,764 --> 00:35:23,217
Entirely voluntary of course.
583
00:35:23,395 --> 00:35:25,262
How would you feel about that?
584
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,217
Not a problem.
585
00:35:27,262 --> 00:35:29,715
Good. Won't take a minute.
586
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,004
Mr Mullery, DC Jake Collier.
587
00:35:39,004 --> 00:35:40,560
Have you got five minutes
for a quick chat, sir?
588
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:41,706
Now, you'll have my home address,
589
00:35:41,706 --> 00:35:43,946
but you decided to come here
because you thought what?
590
00:35:43,973 --> 00:35:45,484
That I'd be embarrassed
591
00:35:45,493 --> 00:35:47,822
and gratefully duck into some
car so no-one saw?
592
00:35:47,857 --> 00:35:50,560
I just want to ask
a few quick questions, sir.
593
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:52,600
So a couple of hours ago,
the head suggested
594
00:35:52,604 --> 00:35:53,937
that maybe I should take some leave.
595
00:35:53,937 --> 00:35:56,488
Some of the parents have been
uncomfortable with the situation.
596
00:35:56,488 --> 00:35:59,111
And, of course, I could refuse
because she has no legal right.
597
00:35:59,111 --> 00:36:02,560
But do you know what?
I have spent the past 18 years
598
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:04,631
telling people
that I wasn't even charged,
599
00:36:04,631 --> 00:36:06,257
that not one single piece
of evidence
600
00:36:06,257 --> 00:36:08,133
could ever be found
to incriminate me,
601
00:36:08,133 --> 00:36:10,124
that the lead detective retired
602
00:36:10,124 --> 00:36:12,222
just before a misconduct case
could be brought against him.
603
00:36:12,248 --> 00:36:14,995
So I am knackered
604
00:36:15,013 --> 00:36:18,657
and I'll take the paid break,
thank you very much.
605
00:36:18,657 --> 00:36:19,635
But what it also means
606
00:36:19,635 --> 00:36:22,791
is that I am not remotely
fucking embarrassed, mate.
607
00:36:22,897 --> 00:36:26,017
I am not remotely
embarrassed to stand here
608
00:36:26,017 --> 00:36:29,475
and tell you loudly,
no, I will not talk to you.
609
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:30,880
I will not sit in a car or a room
610
00:36:30,888 --> 00:36:33,560
or anywhere with you,
voluntarily, ever.
611
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,613
And if you want to arrest me,
be my guest.
612
00:36:36,613 --> 00:36:39,004
But I'll not say
another fucking word to you,
613
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,084
not even, "No comment"
614
00:36:41,093 --> 00:36:43,560
because I think the police are scum.
615
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:45,920
I think you lie.
I think you break the law.
616
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,000
I think you take bribes
and you sell stories.
617
00:36:48,008 --> 00:36:52,017
But worse than that,
most unforgivable of all,
618
00:36:52,017 --> 00:36:54,231
I think you're thick.
619
00:36:54,408 --> 00:36:57,297
I think your ranks are made up
of dim-witted mediocrity
620
00:36:57,297 --> 00:36:58,986
who joined the force
because they wanted power
621
00:36:58,986 --> 00:37:02,488
but they're too stupid
to get employed anywhere else.
622
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,906
So shame on you
623
00:37:07,137 --> 00:37:09,560
for the way you treated me,
624
00:37:11,102 --> 00:37:15,004
for letting Hayley down
so catastrophically.
625
00:37:15,271 --> 00:37:20,080
And shame on you, DC Jake Collier,
626
00:37:20,568 --> 00:37:23,475
for becoming a police officer.
627
00:37:34,426 --> 00:37:36,311
And how sure did he seem?
628
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,560
Pretty sure.
It was an instinctive reaction.
629
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:40,408
I don't think he was recognising her
from the newspapers.
630
00:37:40,408 --> 00:37:42,977
So this definitively places her
in the house,
631
00:37:42,977 --> 00:37:46,400
- possibly with all four men, before
the wives and kids arrived? - Yeah.
632
00:37:46,906 --> 00:37:48,995
What was he like otherwise?
633
00:37:49,137 --> 00:37:50,560
Odd.
634
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,462
An odd mixture.
635
00:37:52,551 --> 00:37:55,680
I mean, I guess you've got to ask,
why would he be telling me
636
00:37:55,688 --> 00:37:58,400
that he saw Hayley in the house
if he had something to hide?
637
00:37:58,560 --> 00:37:59,560
But?
638
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:03,280
But when I asked him
if he'd give a DNA swab,
639
00:38:03,288 --> 00:38:06,000
he slightly looked like
he'd just shat himself.
640
00:38:08,035 --> 00:38:10,337
What's his background?
641
00:38:13,084 --> 00:38:16,560
Lived and worked in Hong Kong
for 25 years.
642
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:20,666
Only married for the first time
six years ago.
643
00:38:20,764 --> 00:38:23,560
No previous convictions,
at least not here.
644
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:24,600
And ah!
645
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,080
Drove down to Middenham
on a motorbike.
646
00:38:27,240 --> 00:38:30,600
Do we have a response
from James Hollis about his car yet?
647
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,902
I'll chase that.
How was your man?
648
00:38:35,084 --> 00:38:36,560
So.
649
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,560
He lives in a camper van.
650
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:40,560
Oh.
651
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:44,560
I'd say he's definitely had
some mental health issues,
652
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:46,675
looks like he hasn't got
a pot to piss in.
653
00:38:46,675 --> 00:38:49,004
Except, in 1999,
654
00:38:49,111 --> 00:38:53,297
he was CEO of DDM Lowe,
655
00:38:53,297 --> 00:38:57,191
his own advertising agency.
656
00:38:57,244 --> 00:39:00,551
And this is a guy who got
a double first from Cambridge,
657
00:39:00,551 --> 00:39:03,395
was basically a bit of a genius
through his life,
658
00:39:03,395 --> 00:39:07,120
lived in a five million quid house
in Notting Hill.
659
00:39:07,244 --> 00:39:09,226
Wow. When did he leave?
660
00:39:09,262 --> 00:39:10,817
Early 2000.
661
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:13,395
"To pursue new challenges."
662
00:39:13,413 --> 00:39:15,560
What, like,
how to live in a car park?
663
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,080
DCI Stuart.
664
00:39:21,111 --> 00:39:23,920
Hello, I'm just returning your call.
665
00:39:23,946 --> 00:39:27,057
It's Mel Hollis here.
I'm James Hollis' ex-wife.
666
00:39:27,084 --> 00:39:30,640
Ah, Mrs Hollis.
Yeah, thanks for returning my call.
667
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:34,560
No, it wasn't a pleasant evening.
668
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,084
What it was,
was a train wreck.
669
00:39:37,111 --> 00:39:38,560
In what way?
670
00:39:38,871 --> 00:39:42,560
Look the meal was fine.
We ate, we cleared up,
671
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:44,880
the kids were knackered,
it'd been a long day getting there,
672
00:39:44,888 --> 00:39:47,155
so they went to bed about 9:30,
673
00:39:47,155 --> 00:39:49,848
which was good,
that they were in bed, I mean,
674
00:39:49,848 --> 00:39:54,560
because they didn't have to see
Chris go completely nuts,
675
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:56,302
- for want of a better word.
- How do you mean?
676
00:39:56,346 --> 00:39:59,733
Out of the blue,
he just started ranting about
677
00:39:59,742 --> 00:40:03,351
his life,
his marriage, his friends,
678
00:40:03,511 --> 00:40:07,404
how it all meant nothing,
how everything was an illusion.
679
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,346
- It was quiet terrifying.
- Wow, yeah, I can imagine.
680
00:40:10,364 --> 00:40:13,560
And so, what did people do?
681
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,560
Well, I mean, we all tried
to calm him down, obviously,
682
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,560
particularly Laura his wife.
683
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:23,031
But he was flailing his arms
and shouting and,
684
00:40:23,235 --> 00:40:26,257
to be honest,
we were all quite relieved
685
00:40:26,257 --> 00:40:28,560
when he then just
suddenly walked out.
686
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:30,240
- Of the house?
- Mm-hm.
687
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,240
- And went where?
- I don't know.
688
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:35,973
Had he been drinking?
689
00:40:35,991 --> 00:40:37,635
Well, he'd had a few.
690
00:40:37,635 --> 00:40:40,897
We'd all had a few.
It was New Year's Eve.
691
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:42,560
Anything else?
692
00:40:43,804 --> 00:40:46,560
Someone might have bought some coke.
693
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:48,960
I don't know,
maybe he'd had a bit of that.
694
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:51,804
OK.
695
00:40:51,813 --> 00:40:54,106
So who was taking coke?
696
00:40:54,311 --> 00:40:57,191
Not me.
Not any of the women, actually.
697
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:58,666
Tim Finch?
698
00:40:58,666 --> 00:41:01,431
Definitely not, no.
He never did that.
699
00:41:01,475 --> 00:41:03,680
Pete, no, he was more of a drinker.
700
00:41:03,742 --> 00:41:06,471
James, yes.
701
00:41:06,471 --> 00:41:09,920
In fact, I think it was him
that probably bought it.
702
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:13,102
When Chris went out of the house,
703
00:41:13,102 --> 00:41:16,560
- what time would that have been?
- I don't know.
704
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:19,560
- Just after ten, I guess.
- And did anyone go after him?
705
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,560
Yeah, after a minute or two,
706
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,560
James and Tim.
707
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,791
- Did they catch up with him?
- No.
708
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,804
No, Chris came back on his own
about an hour and a half later.
709
00:41:29,804 --> 00:41:31,475
He was absolutely drenched.
710
00:41:31,475 --> 00:41:32,853
I mean, it was raining hard
at this point
711
00:41:32,853 --> 00:41:35,111
and his clothes
were covered with mud
712
00:41:35,111 --> 00:41:37,555
and he went straight upstairs
to bed.
713
00:41:37,768 --> 00:41:40,293
- No explanation, no apology, nothing.
- Right.
714
00:41:40,755 --> 00:41:42,444
Where was Pete Carr at this point?
715
00:41:42,453 --> 00:41:44,560
Pete had been out
since right after the meal,
716
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,560
- trying his luck at the pub.
- Trying his luck?
717
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:49,080
The ladies.
718
00:41:50,186 --> 00:41:51,937
He got back just after midnight.
719
00:41:51,937 --> 00:41:54,044
- On his own?
- Mm-hm.
720
00:41:54,124 --> 00:41:55,760
And pissed.
721
00:41:55,795 --> 00:41:59,520
- And your husband and Dr Finch?
- The same.
722
00:41:59,555 --> 00:42:01,560
No, they got back
just before midnight.
723
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,097
Just in time for Auld Lang Syne,
bless.
724
00:42:04,151 --> 00:42:06,560
Were they separate or together?
725
00:42:08,204 --> 00:42:10,213
I can't remember.
726
00:42:11,377 --> 00:42:13,560
And what happened then?
727
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:15,840
The guys went to bed,
the women stayed up
728
00:42:15,857 --> 00:42:20,160
- and talked about
our car crash marriages. - OK.
729
00:42:20,373 --> 00:42:24,515
This is really important,
Ms Hollis, so,
730
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,804
I want you to think
very carefully, please.
731
00:42:27,893 --> 00:42:32,613
Did you see anyone go out again
after that?
732
00:42:32,631 --> 00:42:33,857
No.
733
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,324
No-one went out again after that.
734
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:42,880
You sound very certain.
735
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,364
Firstly, I sat up talking
to Laura and Derran
736
00:42:46,364 --> 00:42:49,560
till about three o'clock
in the morning, and then,
737
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:52,880
I wasn't going to sleep with James
that night, so I slept on the sofa.
738
00:42:52,897 --> 00:42:55,351
Except, I didn't, really.
Sleep, I mean.
739
00:42:55,351 --> 00:42:57,920
So that meant I would have seen
if anyone had gone out.
740
00:42:57,928 --> 00:42:59,413
And they didn't.
741
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:04,240
Right.
742
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:06,995
Fuck.
743
00:43:07,066 --> 00:43:10,764
The last sighting of her was after
they were all back in the house.
744
00:43:11,813 --> 00:43:14,177
- So she could be lying.
- Yep.
745
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:17,560
Or mistaken. Maybe she did sleep
and one of them came down
746
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:19,560
at four or five or whatever
and then went out.
747
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:22,115
Except, if one of them came down
at four or five,
748
00:43:22,124 --> 00:43:24,568
went out then and killed her,
where...
749
00:43:24,568 --> 00:43:28,560
where was Hayley between leaving
the pub at 12:10 and four or five?
750
00:43:28,577 --> 00:43:32,560
- No, that feels wrong.
- Yeah, maybe.
751
00:43:32,737 --> 00:43:34,675
But not as wrong as all four men
752
00:43:34,675 --> 00:43:36,337
having clearly lied to us
through their teeth.
753
00:43:36,337 --> 00:43:37,560
There is that.
754
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:40,862
I need a drink.
755
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:42,560
There is that.
756
00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:59,560
Yeah, it was about ten past,
757
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:01,760
maybe quarter past midnight,
758
00:44:01,768 --> 00:44:04,168
- enough time to change, anyway.
- For the party? - Yeah.
759
00:44:04,168 --> 00:44:07,013
'Cause she went as Madonna,
760
00:44:07,022 --> 00:44:08,826
the"Desperately Seeking Susan" one.
761
00:44:08,826 --> 00:44:11,395
You know, the slap and the hair
and everything.
762
00:44:11,404 --> 00:44:15,288
It was an '80s theme, I think.
763
00:44:16,382 --> 00:44:19,191
- Sorry, just a sec.
- Sure.
764
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,417
This is from Hayley's diary.
765
00:44:28,435 --> 00:44:32,808
"I hate the '80s, I hate
fancy dress, so am going as ME!!
766
00:44:32,817 --> 00:44:35,155
"They should be so lucky.
Lucky, lucky, lucky!!"
767
00:44:35,164 --> 00:44:37,520
Maybe she changed her mind.
768
00:44:38,106 --> 00:44:41,253
Were there any other female staff
going to the party
769
00:44:41,271 --> 00:44:45,511
who would have been the same age,
same build as Hayley?
770
00:44:52,071 --> 00:44:53,511
Hey.
771
00:44:54,693 --> 00:44:56,320
Hey, Fran, what's up?
772
00:44:56,346 --> 00:44:59,560
There was another employee,
same build, same colouring,
773
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:00,693
same hair as Hayley,
774
00:45:00,693 --> 00:45:03,155
who's just confirmed to me
that she went as Madonna
775
00:45:03,155 --> 00:45:05,111
and she left around 12:10.
776
00:45:05,111 --> 00:45:07,875
So you think the manager
saw her leaving, not Hayley?
777
00:45:07,884 --> 00:45:09,937
I think it has to be
a very strong possibility.
778
00:45:09,937 --> 00:45:13,182
Which means the last confirmed
sighting of Hayley was way earlier.
779
00:45:13,182 --> 00:45:16,382
At 11, after which she could
easily have bunked off work early.
780
00:45:16,391 --> 00:45:18,560
OK, this is brilliant work, Fran.
781
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:20,124
Let's talk first thing tomorrow.
782
00:45:20,133 --> 00:45:22,142
- Goodnight, boss.
- You heard that?
783
00:45:22,142 --> 00:45:24,026
So she could actually
have left the pub earlier.
784
00:45:24,026 --> 00:45:25,297
At 11.
785
00:45:25,306 --> 00:45:28,977
Which means we now have four men,
variously pissed,
786
00:45:28,977 --> 00:45:31,075
drugged up
and possibly mentally unstable,
787
00:45:31,084 --> 00:45:33,560
out somewhere in Middenham,
788
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:36,391
at exactly the same time as Hayley.
789
00:45:38,980 --> 00:45:41,324
Corrected by DB
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