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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:11,075 There is some evidence to suggest that Hayley was strangled. 2 00:00:11,075 --> 00:00:12,977 DCI Stuart, Hayley was a friend of mine. 3 00:00:12,986 --> 00:00:15,315 I was supposed to be doing a cleaning job, 4 00:00:15,324 --> 00:00:17,137 Hayley did the job for me. 5 00:00:17,137 --> 00:00:18,462 It was in a holiday rental. 6 00:00:18,462 --> 00:00:20,373 I'd forgotten that's who we let it to. 7 00:00:20,382 --> 00:00:23,102 He does that quiz show on the BBC. James Hollis. 8 00:00:23,102 --> 00:00:25,324 Just give me ten minutes, I'm not feeling 100%. 9 00:00:25,324 --> 00:00:27,000 Dad, this is not about the past. 10 00:00:27,004 --> 00:00:29,000 Or, at least, not the past you're talking about. 11 00:00:29,022 --> 00:00:30,160 - I love you. - I love you, too. 12 00:00:30,168 --> 00:00:32,577 Tim, it's your word against hers. 13 00:00:32,586 --> 00:00:35,475 I pretended to go out. I just heard him go for her. 14 00:00:35,484 --> 00:00:37,377 I don't believe I ever lost my temper. 15 00:00:37,377 --> 00:00:39,324 I'd really appreciate having somebody here. 16 00:00:39,324 --> 00:00:41,448 They took money I had for a deposit on a flat. 17 00:00:41,448 --> 00:00:43,884 I do think you should consider opening a bank account. 18 00:00:43,884 --> 00:00:45,960 No. No. No. No. No bank accounts. 19 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:48,551 I would feel very lucky to be able to help you grow stronger. 20 00:00:48,577 --> 00:00:50,488 There'll be money in the joint account tomorrow. 21 00:00:50,497 --> 00:00:54,364 Mr Carr sold my father a cash ISA. We want to cancel it. 22 00:00:54,364 --> 00:00:55,960 I can't see any paperwork here. 23 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:59,155 Mr Hollis, we wondered if you had five minutes, please, 24 00:00:59,155 --> 00:01:00,791 to help us with a case we're investigating. 25 00:01:00,791 --> 00:01:02,160 I will need my lawyer present. 26 00:01:02,168 --> 00:01:03,742 Els, it's Dad again. 27 00:01:03,742 --> 00:01:05,960 They've come about her. 28 00:01:55,733 --> 00:01:57,960 Oh, shit! 29 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:00,542 Oh, you... 30 00:02:03,768 --> 00:02:05,960 Dad! 31 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:09,960 - Dad! - Yes? 32 00:02:11,733 --> 00:02:13,640 Morning. 33 00:02:13,768 --> 00:02:17,431 - Blimey! Are you all right? - You left a pan on. 34 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:19,560 Me? No. 35 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:22,560 Yeah, I walked in and it was burning. 36 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:24,560 Is that your porridge? 37 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:26,560 This was off when I left. 38 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:29,866 Right. Well, I've, like, literally just walked in. 39 00:02:29,875 --> 00:02:30,920 So. 40 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:33,991 Well, it's still under warranty. I'll get in touch with the company. 41 00:02:40,773 --> 00:02:44,480 I'm sorry. If I knew anything, I'd tell you, Mr Hollis. 42 00:02:44,488 --> 00:02:46,728 - You know I would. - I do. But if you do hear anything, 43 00:02:46,728 --> 00:02:48,053 tell him I need to speak to him. 44 00:02:48,062 --> 00:02:50,000 Tell him it's really urgent. 45 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:00,737 And, so, in the end, 46 00:03:00,746 --> 00:03:04,560 the case really came down to one person's word against another's. 47 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:05,973 And in this instance, 48 00:03:06,026 --> 00:03:10,560 we feel bound to consider Dr Finch's many years' exemplary practice 49 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:13,973 and his reputation as a hard-working, generous 50 00:03:13,973 --> 00:03:16,231 and trustworthy GP. 51 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:20,320 And as such, we find we do not uphold the complaint. 52 00:03:20,328 --> 00:03:24,355 I heard him. He might sit there now looking like butter wouldn't melt, 53 00:03:24,364 --> 00:03:27,400 but he's got another side to him. 54 00:03:27,413 --> 00:03:30,560 Yeah, you look embarrassed, mate. 55 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:34,560 You should, 'cause you're a disgrace! 56 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:54,400 Gov. 57 00:03:54,426 --> 00:03:55,813 Yep? - He's here. 58 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:04,764 'Peter, its Mark Harper. 59 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:07,457 'Kate and I can find no record of any paperwork 60 00:04:07,457 --> 00:04:09,560 'relating to an ISA in the name of Salthouse 61 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:13,080 'and I need to know today how a three-grand cheque from him 62 00:04:13,084 --> 00:04:14,560 'has been cashed. So, 63 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:17,502 'you really need to call me.' 64 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:28,560 There. 65 00:04:59,831 --> 00:05:01,920 OK, 66 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:04,400 I'm going to change all of your settings 67 00:05:04,408 --> 00:05:06,560 so that only your friends can comment. 68 00:05:06,657 --> 00:05:10,728 What does it make them feel when they say those things? 69 00:05:10,746 --> 00:05:13,911 I doubt very much they feel anything at all, Mum. 70 00:05:14,755 --> 00:05:16,560 'Cause they're messed up. 71 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:22,560 And that, that isn't about Dad or about you or Hayley. 72 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:23,840 It's about them. 73 00:05:26,186 --> 00:05:30,640 It's just a mirror people hold up to themselves to shout at. 74 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:38,915 I wanted, if I may, to ask you about a house you rented 75 00:05:38,915 --> 00:05:41,342 in Middenham, in December 1999, 76 00:05:41,342 --> 00:05:44,284 which I believe, 77 00:05:44,426 --> 00:05:46,586 was an eight-bedroom house. 78 00:05:46,657 --> 00:05:50,920 Yes, I can't remember specifically but, yes, it was big. 79 00:05:50,942 --> 00:05:53,288 - There were a bunch of us. - Three other families? 80 00:05:53,297 --> 00:05:55,226 Yes, although, for the first few days, 81 00:05:55,226 --> 00:05:57,653 there were only me and three mates. 82 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,560 Our wives and kids joined us on New Year's Eve. 83 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:02,400 Right. 84 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:04,737 It was primarily a golfing break. 85 00:06:04,746 --> 00:06:06,435 Mm, OK. 86 00:06:06,462 --> 00:06:09,560 And what were their names, please, the men? 87 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:12,560 Tim Finch. 88 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:15,146 Chris Lowe. 89 00:06:15,262 --> 00:06:17,057 Pete Carr. 90 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:20,826 - And are they all still around? - Yep. 91 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:22,560 Still friends? 92 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:26,053 Yes, we were at school together, so it's a long connection. 93 00:06:26,213 --> 00:06:30,408 And the families, can you give me details of those people? 94 00:06:30,648 --> 00:06:34,560 Tim was there with his first wife Derran 95 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:38,355 and their two little girls. 96 00:06:38,382 --> 00:06:40,675 Pete was single at that time, so on his own. 97 00:06:40,675 --> 00:06:44,560 And Chris Lowe was with his first wife Laura and their little girl. 98 00:06:46,133 --> 00:06:48,506 And your wife? 99 00:06:48,897 --> 00:06:52,560 Yes, my wife Mel and our little boy Eliot. 100 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:54,560 - Are you two still together? - No. 101 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:57,822 - I remarried a few years ago. - Oh. 102 00:06:59,111 --> 00:07:03,297 So, this is a photo of Hayley Reid. 103 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:08,328 Do you recognise her? 104 00:07:12,142 --> 00:07:13,902 Yes. 105 00:07:13,928 --> 00:07:17,560 - And is that just from the papers? - Sorry, where is this heading? 106 00:07:17,822 --> 00:07:22,560 We're just trying to corroborate evidence from another witness, 107 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:28,133 who thinks Hayley might have cleaned the house you rented. 108 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:31,493 - I have no recollection of that. - You never saw her there? 109 00:07:31,493 --> 00:07:32,560 No. 110 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:35,360 I mean, we were out most days, 111 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:38,915 but, hey, this story was huge and her photo was all over the TV. 112 00:07:38,915 --> 00:07:42,720 So, if she had cleaned our house and any of us had have seen her, 113 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:46,595 - then I think someone would have mentioned something. - Absolutely. 114 00:07:50,008 --> 00:07:52,293 When did you return to London, Mr Hollis? 115 00:07:52,293 --> 00:07:55,760 When the rental ended, which would be 116 00:07:55,786 --> 00:07:58,826 perhaps around the second or third. 117 00:07:58,835 --> 00:08:02,257 - And you drove back up with your wife and child? - Yes. 118 00:08:02,782 --> 00:08:05,760 How did they got down there on the 31st? 119 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:08,560 Train. I picked them up from a nearby station. 120 00:08:11,768 --> 00:08:14,560 OK. And this is the last question. 121 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:20,151 What did you all get up to on the Millennium evening? 122 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:24,737 Well, as I remember, we, 123 00:08:24,924 --> 00:08:27,920 we had a meal in the house, all together. 124 00:08:29,102 --> 00:08:31,733 Then, I think the... 125 00:08:31,804 --> 00:08:36,337 the children stayed up a bit, till about nine or ten. 126 00:08:36,373 --> 00:08:40,560 I think the adults watched a movie 127 00:08:40,560 --> 00:08:43,928 and then all went to bed after Big Ben. 128 00:08:43,973 --> 00:08:47,644 - Is that all of you? - As I recall, yes. 129 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:51,697 And then no-one went out again for the rest of the night? 130 00:08:51,697 --> 00:08:53,253 No. 131 00:08:55,560 --> 00:08:57,315 OK. 132 00:08:58,151 --> 00:08:59,706 That's it. 133 00:08:59,742 --> 00:09:02,835 - Thank you. - Thank you very much for your time. 134 00:09:09,928 --> 00:09:11,920 Sorry. 135 00:09:11,982 --> 00:09:14,560 - You said you guys met at school. - Yes. 136 00:09:14,560 --> 00:09:16,826 - Where was that, the school you went to? - Finchley. 137 00:09:16,826 --> 00:09:19,706 Right. And you all 138 00:09:19,706 --> 00:09:22,728 - lived round that area? - Within a couple of miles, yes. 139 00:09:22,746 --> 00:09:25,120 OK, thanks again. 140 00:09:31,262 --> 00:09:33,928 Well, I think we want to know more about four guys 141 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:35,804 who grew up half a mile from her grave. 142 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:37,560 I think we do. 143 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:50,560 Hollis, you wanker. 144 00:09:51,848 --> 00:09:53,560 Shit! 145 00:10:05,084 --> 00:10:07,760 And this sort of sized garden is very unusual 146 00:10:07,777 --> 00:10:10,355 for a flat in this part of the city. 147 00:10:10,408 --> 00:10:12,240 It's also west-facing, so... 148 00:10:13,982 --> 00:10:18,266 Anyway, have a natter and I'll be outside if you need me. 149 00:10:18,266 --> 00:10:19,560 Thank you. 150 00:10:23,244 --> 00:10:25,840 He's never had a garden with grass before. 151 00:10:25,857 --> 00:10:27,760 You like it. 152 00:10:27,777 --> 00:10:30,000 I think it's perfect. 153 00:10:30,017 --> 00:10:31,786 What? 154 00:10:31,786 --> 00:10:33,653 There's a "but" coming. 155 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:36,560 But, 156 00:10:36,560 --> 00:10:39,560 if we're going to be properly together, 157 00:10:41,795 --> 00:10:44,400 I need to know who you are, Chris. 158 00:10:46,195 --> 00:10:47,955 Who I am? 159 00:10:48,711 --> 00:10:50,213 How does someone like you, 160 00:10:50,213 --> 00:10:55,680 so brilliant, so lovely, 161 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:59,208 end up like you have? 162 00:10:59,235 --> 00:11:01,386 How does that happen? 163 00:11:39,066 --> 00:11:41,866 So we had two key leads that I believed 164 00:11:41,875 --> 00:11:44,920 were potentially significant, but were never resolved. 165 00:11:44,942 --> 00:11:47,022 St Matthew's C of E, 166 00:11:47,031 --> 00:11:49,306 which was burgled at some point that New Year's Eve, 167 00:11:49,306 --> 00:11:52,186 with about five grand's worth of 18-century silverware 168 00:11:52,186 --> 00:11:53,911 taken from a locked cupboard in the vestry. 169 00:11:53,911 --> 00:11:57,217 Blood smears were retrieved on some smashed glass into the vestry, 170 00:11:57,217 --> 00:12:00,720 but there were no matches with anyone on our database. 171 00:12:00,817 --> 00:12:03,857 The church is about halfway between The Swan 172 00:12:03,866 --> 00:12:06,160 and Hayley's parents' original house. 173 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:08,586 And one possible theory was that 174 00:12:08,622 --> 00:12:10,897 she saw something after she left work, 175 00:12:10,897 --> 00:12:15,080 she went to investigate and ran into the burglar or burglars. 176 00:12:15,102 --> 00:12:18,728 Certainly, I believe it's worth following up again. 177 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:21,560 And then a black car, 178 00:12:21,560 --> 00:12:24,328 which was seen driving very erratically on the road 179 00:12:24,328 --> 00:12:27,013 between The Swan and her house 180 00:12:27,022 --> 00:12:29,288 at approximately 12:25, 181 00:12:29,288 --> 00:12:32,240 maybe 15 minutes after we know she left the pub. 182 00:12:32,257 --> 00:12:33,760 No reg or make, 183 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:36,640 but the witness thought it was a black four-door saloon 184 00:12:36,648 --> 00:12:37,946 with a tow bar. 185 00:12:37,964 --> 00:12:41,560 Oh, and it's worth mentioning that the weather was very bad that night, with 186 00:12:41,560 --> 00:12:44,088 heavy rain from about 11 o'clock onwards 187 00:12:44,106 --> 00:12:46,560 and very poor visibility. 188 00:12:46,560 --> 00:12:47,955 That's it. 189 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:52,435 So John will be available for the rest of the day, 190 00:12:52,462 --> 00:12:55,240 and then on the phone, at any point, for any questions. 191 00:12:55,253 --> 00:12:56,515 But given what he's just told us, 192 00:12:56,515 --> 00:13:00,560 I suggest DNA swabs should be taken from any suspects we speak to. 193 00:13:00,968 --> 00:13:04,560 Thank you again, John. That was very useful. 194 00:13:04,560 --> 00:13:06,240 So, 195 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:08,400 specific points of action. 196 00:13:08,906 --> 00:13:12,560 Fran, can you double-check all these timelines, please, 197 00:13:12,560 --> 00:13:14,897 for Hayley's movements on the night of her disappearance 198 00:13:14,897 --> 00:13:16,533 - and the week before? - Boss. 199 00:13:16,622 --> 00:13:20,364 - Murray, you take the witness who saw this car. - Yup. 200 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:24,240 And, Jake, obviously, the body was found in London 201 00:13:24,257 --> 00:13:26,560 and, given that new development, 202 00:13:26,560 --> 00:13:29,560 - it's worth having another chat with Adrian Mullery, I think. - Gov. 203 00:13:29,560 --> 00:13:33,560 And following this morning's interview with James Hollis, 204 00:13:33,560 --> 00:13:35,920 myself and DI Khan will certainly be speaking 205 00:13:35,937 --> 00:13:39,644 to the other three male occupants of The Spinney. 206 00:13:40,693 --> 00:13:44,204 OK, that's it. Thank you, everyone. 207 00:13:45,084 --> 00:13:47,777 That was great. Thank you again. 208 00:13:47,777 --> 00:13:48,462 - Yeah. - No problem. 209 00:13:48,462 --> 00:13:51,226 So are you heading back down tonight or? 210 00:13:51,253 --> 00:13:54,124 No. No, no, my kids live with their mum in town, 211 00:13:54,124 --> 00:13:58,560 so I'm going to stick around, spend some time with them for a few days. 212 00:13:58,560 --> 00:14:00,977 - Right. How old are they? - 21 and 20. 213 00:14:00,986 --> 00:14:03,075 Ah, same as mine. Boys or? 214 00:14:03,084 --> 00:14:04,204 Two boys. 215 00:14:04,231 --> 00:14:04,995 Jinx. 216 00:14:05,004 --> 00:14:06,600 Hm! 217 00:14:06,622 --> 00:14:09,560 Anyway, I better go and check into the hotel, so... 218 00:14:09,560 --> 00:14:12,560 - Go for it. And we will speak soon, I hope. - Yeah, absolutely. 219 00:14:12,951 --> 00:14:15,560 John. Thanks for that. That was great. 220 00:14:15,560 --> 00:14:18,337 Listen, if you're at a loose end any evening, 221 00:14:18,346 --> 00:14:20,791 there's always a few of us at The Enterprise, 222 00:14:20,791 --> 00:14:22,995 if you fancy a drink. It's just opposite. 223 00:14:23,004 --> 00:14:24,275 Yeah, great. Cheers. 224 00:14:24,275 --> 00:14:25,413 - I might take you up on that. - Good. 225 00:14:25,413 --> 00:14:26,906 - All right, see you. - See you. 226 00:14:26,968 --> 00:14:29,240 - See you. - Cheers. 227 00:14:30,791 --> 00:14:34,240 - Ah. - You're welcome. 228 00:14:36,968 --> 00:14:40,133 - Yeah. - Hello. 229 00:14:40,737 --> 00:14:44,960 - Hola, gordo conejo. - Hola, muy gordo conejo. 230 00:14:44,995 --> 00:14:47,560 - How you doing? - Yeah, all good. You? 231 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:50,760 Yeah, very well. I've just been in Manchester on a work thing, 232 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:52,560 driving back to Sussex now with Caz. 233 00:14:52,568 --> 00:14:54,240 - Oh, right. Give her my love. - I will. 234 00:14:54,355 --> 00:14:58,391 But listen, very quickly, I presume you've seen the news 235 00:14:58,391 --> 00:14:59,786 about the Hayley Reid case. 236 00:14:59,795 --> 00:15:03,368 - Yeah, I did. It's very sad. - Oh, wasn't it? 237 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:06,240 Anyway, the police are obviously doing a general trawl 238 00:15:06,248 --> 00:15:08,231 for potential new witnesses. 239 00:15:08,231 --> 00:15:12,133 And they spoke to me this morning about the house we rented. 240 00:15:12,204 --> 00:15:13,333 Right. 241 00:15:13,448 --> 00:15:16,560 - Apparently they think she may have been our cleaner. - Wow! 242 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:18,746 I said I couldn't recall us having a cleaner 243 00:15:18,746 --> 00:15:20,924 and I certainly think one of us would have noticed 244 00:15:20,924 --> 00:15:23,875 - if it had have been her, given the amount of coverage. - Indeed. 245 00:15:23,884 --> 00:15:25,662 Anyway, the long and short is 246 00:15:25,662 --> 00:15:28,995 they're probably going to want to speak to the whole gang of us, so, 247 00:15:29,048 --> 00:15:31,560 I just thought that I ought to let you know. 248 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:32,693 Yeah, no worries. 249 00:15:32,702 --> 00:15:34,560 Obviously, they're looking for people 250 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:38,355 who may have seen something that only now seems relevant. 251 00:15:38,364 --> 00:15:41,137 But I told them we all stayed in the house that night, 252 00:15:41,146 --> 00:15:43,560 eating with our families, so... 253 00:15:43,706 --> 00:15:45,560 Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 254 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:48,480 I'll give Pete a bell and maybe you could give Chris the heads up? 255 00:15:48,488 --> 00:15:48,995 Sure. 256 00:15:48,995 --> 00:15:51,191 And I've e-mailed some dates for our meet-up. 257 00:15:51,217 --> 00:15:53,351 Oh, yeah, I saw. Item...? 258 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:55,710 - I can do any of those. - Excellent! 259 00:15:55,751 --> 00:15:57,560 Speak soon, mate. 260 00:15:57,560 --> 00:15:58,920 Yeah, cheers, Jamie. 261 00:16:02,213 --> 00:16:03,946 Jamie sends his love. 262 00:16:04,008 --> 00:16:05,920 How is he? 263 00:16:05,973 --> 00:16:07,093 Oh, he's very well. 264 00:16:07,111 --> 00:16:10,924 He's just trying to arrange a get-together. 265 00:16:10,986 --> 00:16:12,480 The four amigos. 266 00:16:12,497 --> 00:16:14,560 That'll be nice. 267 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:15,440 Yeah, it will. 268 00:16:15,448 --> 00:16:17,911 It's been too long. Much too long. 269 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:22,364 Of course I remember. 270 00:16:22,391 --> 00:16:24,088 I was meant to have bought the puddings and I forgot, 271 00:16:24,088 --> 00:16:26,764 so I legged it to the corner shop and bought a load of Cornettos, 272 00:16:26,764 --> 00:16:28,755 which your ex wasn't too happy about. 273 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:32,124 Anyway, I just wanted to check that you remembered it the same as I did. 274 00:16:32,222 --> 00:16:34,435 So, we're all ready for the 22nd. 275 00:16:34,444 --> 00:16:37,813 Chris has replied now so I'll book a table and send you all a link. 276 00:16:37,831 --> 00:16:40,044 Just one quick thing before you go, Jamie. 277 00:16:40,044 --> 00:16:42,684 Actually, I'm literally just heading into a meeting, mate. 278 00:16:42,684 --> 00:16:44,168 Yeah, yeah, I'll be ten seconds. 279 00:16:44,222 --> 00:16:47,400 Jamie, I need a massive favour. 280 00:16:50,204 --> 00:16:52,560 I was married for 281 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:54,373 12 years 282 00:16:54,453 --> 00:16:57,235 and I had, have, I have a daughter, 283 00:16:57,235 --> 00:16:58,408 Maya, 284 00:16:58,444 --> 00:17:01,706 who I last saw 17 years ago. 285 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:06,675 My marriage ended early 2000. 286 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:10,764 And because of some issues that I had at the time, 287 00:17:10,764 --> 00:17:12,062 my wife Laura, 288 00:17:12,062 --> 00:17:15,208 she felt it was damaging for Maya to be around that. 289 00:17:15,271 --> 00:17:17,946 And I'd run up some debts. 290 00:17:17,946 --> 00:17:21,768 So I went from living in a nice house in Notting Hill to 291 00:17:21,768 --> 00:17:24,213 a one-bedroom flat in Acton 292 00:17:25,022 --> 00:17:28,400 and then a hostel and 293 00:17:28,586 --> 00:17:30,760 and then the streets. 294 00:17:30,844 --> 00:17:32,906 How long were you homeless? 295 00:17:33,902 --> 00:17:37,137 On and off for seven years. 296 00:17:37,164 --> 00:17:39,128 Oh, Chris. 297 00:17:39,315 --> 00:17:42,026 I'm so sorry. 298 00:17:42,035 --> 00:17:43,973 And you had no friends who could have helped you? 299 00:17:43,982 --> 00:17:46,782 Yeah. Yeah. I had friends who would have been desperate to help me. 300 00:17:46,782 --> 00:17:49,560 Yeah, but you have to want to be helped. And I didn't. 301 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:53,724 I hated myself. I thought I deserved everything that happened to me. 302 00:17:53,777 --> 00:17:56,284 And your marriage, 303 00:17:56,302 --> 00:17:58,560 he issues you mention? 304 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:00,231 OK, so, 305 00:18:00,257 --> 00:18:03,560 as you know, I have bipolar disorder, 306 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:06,826 which was undiagnosed at the time, and so it was unmedicated, 307 00:18:06,844 --> 00:18:08,560 which meant that, 308 00:18:08,675 --> 00:18:12,808 you know, my behaviour was challenging. 309 00:18:13,137 --> 00:18:16,106 And as soon as I started costing my company money, 310 00:18:16,106 --> 00:18:18,888 it was inevitable I'd be asked to step down. 311 00:18:21,173 --> 00:18:24,560 And that was just not what she had married, 312 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:27,400 an unemployed man who had mental health issues. 313 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:30,888 So she asked me to leave. 314 00:18:31,884 --> 00:18:33,560 And I did. 315 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:37,928 And then, 18 months later, she married a hedge fund manager, 316 00:18:37,928 --> 00:18:41,333 who bought her a house in Holland Park, so. 317 00:18:43,093 --> 00:18:46,435 And then, in 2012, 318 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:51,386 Maya wrote to tell me that Laura had died from breast cancer 319 00:18:52,017 --> 00:18:55,555 and to ask that I stay away from the funeral. 320 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:59,013 I thought about writing back, and saying that I was better now, 321 00:18:59,013 --> 00:19:01,315 that I was a different person, 322 00:19:01,315 --> 00:19:02,560 and I am. 323 00:19:04,213 --> 00:19:05,973 But I think there comes a time 324 00:19:05,973 --> 00:19:08,915 when you have to accept how things have turned out. 325 00:19:09,075 --> 00:19:12,782 That life can sometimes simply be unfair. 326 00:19:12,817 --> 00:19:15,884 And to keep resisting that, 327 00:19:15,911 --> 00:19:19,262 it takes so much energy, Mila, 328 00:19:20,302 --> 00:19:24,391 energy that you need for the future. 329 00:19:39,111 --> 00:19:40,760 Love? 330 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:43,528 In here. 331 00:19:43,608 --> 00:19:45,560 Hey, Pete. 332 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:48,071 Hello, Mark. 333 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:51,475 What a lovely lady your missus is. 334 00:19:51,777 --> 00:19:53,768 I was just about to call you. 335 00:19:53,768 --> 00:19:55,813 You're punching above your weight there, buddy. 336 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:02,266 Three grand, 337 00:20:02,284 --> 00:20:04,737 and my apologies. 338 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:08,960 I was stressed about some deals and screwed up the paperwork. 339 00:20:08,968 --> 00:20:12,346 I accidentally paid Salthouse's cheque into my personal account. 340 00:20:12,355 --> 00:20:14,080 But, 341 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:17,431 there it is, 342 00:20:17,813 --> 00:20:19,560 all there. 343 00:20:24,675 --> 00:20:28,364 You know what we used to call blokes like Pete, Maria? 344 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:31,560 Filth. 345 00:20:32,008 --> 00:20:35,235 Failed in London, tried Hong-Kong. 346 00:20:35,262 --> 00:20:37,560 Bit of a Wild West out there, wasn't it, mate? 347 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:40,080 Attracted a very distinct sort of person. 348 00:20:41,448 --> 00:20:43,560 I see you, buddy. 349 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:50,560 Lovely to meet you, Maria. I'll let myself out. 350 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:02,035 I'm sorry about that. 351 00:21:05,111 --> 00:21:07,351 I need a shower. 352 00:21:08,817 --> 00:21:11,217 This isn't working, Pete. 353 00:21:11,653 --> 00:21:13,560 You and me. 354 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,142 I'm sorry, but 355 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:22,026 this just isn't what I thought I was buying. 356 00:21:22,106 --> 00:21:24,826 It'll get better, babes. 357 00:21:25,573 --> 00:21:27,560 Trust me. 358 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:31,822 I've got some really good business coming in. 359 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:58,560 Oh, I forgot to say, I've got a couple of guests arriving. 360 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:00,737 Can you show them in, please, Liz? 361 00:22:00,737 --> 00:22:01,911 Yes. 362 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:03,884 Thanks. 363 00:22:16,097 --> 00:22:18,204 Adrian. 364 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:22,071 Have you got five minutes? 365 00:22:36,248 --> 00:22:38,746 Well, obviously I recognise her, 366 00:22:38,746 --> 00:22:42,017 but I don't recall ever seeing her at the house at any point. 367 00:22:42,026 --> 00:22:43,902 As Jamie said, 368 00:22:43,902 --> 00:22:46,835 if we had have seen her, we would have discussed it at the time. 369 00:22:46,835 --> 00:22:49,400 - It was a huge story. - Absolutely. 370 00:22:51,804 --> 00:22:53,560 So, 371 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:57,560 Mr Hollis, he told us that the four of you had gone down 372 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:01,146 - on your own, at first, to play golf. - Yes. 373 00:23:01,360 --> 00:23:07,182 And then your wife Derran and your girls arrived on the 31st. 374 00:23:07,182 --> 00:23:08,284 Yes. 375 00:23:08,364 --> 00:23:10,275 And how old were they, the kids? 376 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,457 Claire would have been eight 377 00:23:13,617 --> 00:23:16,195 and Emma just turned ten. 378 00:23:16,275 --> 00:23:18,266 I'm sorry, just to go back on one thing. 379 00:23:18,302 --> 00:23:21,955 New Year's, the kids would have gone to bed at...? 380 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,555 Nine, ten, maybe. 381 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:29,271 - And no-one went out after that? - Nope. 382 00:23:30,302 --> 00:23:33,351 What car where you driving back then, Dr Finch? 383 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:40,551 I had my Audi in '99, I think. An A4. 384 00:23:40,711 --> 00:23:43,080 Sorry, was that the saloon or...? 385 00:23:43,084 --> 00:23:48,195 No, the Estate. We needed the space for holidays and stuff, 386 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:52,435 to save faffing around with a top box or a trailer or any of that. 387 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:54,240 And what colour was it? 388 00:23:54,906 --> 00:23:56,560 Silver. 389 00:23:57,111 --> 00:24:01,560 And your wife and kids, they went down by train? 390 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,915 With Jamie's wife and son. 391 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:10,142 - And everybody headed back to London on the 2nd? - Yes. 392 00:24:11,288 --> 00:24:13,066 Did you all live in London then? 393 00:24:13,084 --> 00:24:15,120 All except Pete. 394 00:24:15,128 --> 00:24:17,946 He lived in Hong Kong. 395 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:23,662 And your marriage to Derran, that ended when? 396 00:24:24,853 --> 00:24:30,151 What relevance has when my marriage ended to anything? 397 00:24:30,604 --> 00:24:34,453 Sorry. If any question makes you feel uncomfortable, 398 00:24:34,453 --> 00:24:36,808 you don't have to answer. 399 00:24:36,830 --> 00:24:40,933 - We separated in 2001. - OK. 400 00:24:41,164 --> 00:24:44,560 And do you remember when Mr Hollis and his wife separated? 401 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:48,071 Same year, I think. Or maybe 2000. 402 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:49,973 And Chris Lowe and his wife? 403 00:24:50,026 --> 00:24:53,528 Yeah, roughly the same time. 404 00:24:54,284 --> 00:24:56,311 And are you still in contact with Derran, 405 00:24:56,311 --> 00:24:58,560 if we wanted to speak with her? 406 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:00,640 I haven't seen Derran for many years, 407 00:25:00,648 --> 00:25:02,968 but I can get a number from my kids, if you need it. 408 00:25:02,968 --> 00:25:04,640 That would be very helpful, thank you. 409 00:25:04,675 --> 00:25:07,973 Oh, I should just say that 410 00:25:08,106 --> 00:25:14,222 she's had a number of issues over the last couple of decades, 411 00:25:14,222 --> 00:25:16,560 depression, anxiety and so, 412 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:18,275 I'm not entirely sure you'll find her 413 00:25:18,275 --> 00:25:20,560 the most reliable of narrators. 414 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:21,560 OK. 415 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:24,560 Well, thank you for that. 416 00:25:25,617 --> 00:25:28,364 And then, one last thing, 417 00:25:28,382 --> 00:25:30,693 and, I should say, 418 00:25:30,693 --> 00:25:32,951 do feel free to say no. 419 00:25:33,057 --> 00:25:37,315 But in order to help eliminate you from our enquiries, 420 00:25:37,315 --> 00:25:39,484 how would you feel about giving us a DNA swab? 421 00:25:39,564 --> 00:25:41,560 Yes, of course. No problem. 422 00:25:42,933 --> 00:25:47,560 So, if nobody went out after ten, then it can't be them. 423 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,560 I mean, we know Hayley was seen alive at 12:10, so... 424 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,560 Yeah, I think you're right. 425 00:25:54,222 --> 00:25:56,266 And if we're spinning our wheels on these guys, 426 00:25:56,266 --> 00:25:58,560 I don't want to waste any more time. 427 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:00,906 Let's take the last two separately. 428 00:26:01,031 --> 00:26:03,080 Hi, Dad, it's me. 429 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,844 Look, I'm really sorry, I'm going to be a bit late. 430 00:26:08,195 --> 00:26:11,475 Please call me. 431 00:26:21,768 --> 00:26:24,560 How many times have you been here before, Jamie? 432 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:26,560 It'll be fine. 433 00:26:27,262 --> 00:26:30,115 You know, the longer this goes on, 434 00:26:30,293 --> 00:26:32,844 the more his problems 435 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:35,804 consume him. 436 00:26:36,062 --> 00:26:41,484 The more you look at the paths we took, the choices we made, I made, 437 00:26:41,493 --> 00:26:43,351 and think - 438 00:26:43,902 --> 00:26:45,600 was it then? 439 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:47,760 Was it that choice or 440 00:26:47,786 --> 00:26:49,706 that choice 441 00:26:49,715 --> 00:26:51,560 that messed everything up? 442 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,115 Was it then 443 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,964 that I ruined my child's life? 444 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:06,560 Call me. 445 00:27:19,377 --> 00:27:21,457 Sometimes, I just... 446 00:27:21,573 --> 00:27:23,560 - Hi. - Hello. 447 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,142 Gemma left some school books at mine, I brought them round. 448 00:27:26,142 --> 00:27:28,760 - And then she wanted to show me her room. - Right. 449 00:27:28,773 --> 00:27:31,466 - Lovely place, though. - Thank you. 450 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,457 Anyway, I need to shoot off. 451 00:27:35,857 --> 00:27:37,750 - Nice to see you. - And you. 452 00:27:37,777 --> 00:27:39,560 Bye, girls. 453 00:27:40,977 --> 00:27:43,560 - Bye. - Bye. 454 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:51,262 Yeah, well, you see, I'm from the clip-round-the-ear-hole generation. 455 00:27:51,262 --> 00:27:54,560 - I think he'd still like to, to be honest. - Oh, dear. 456 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:56,755 - And do you have children? - No! 457 00:27:57,235 --> 00:27:58,835 Never had the urge to be a mother. 458 00:27:58,844 --> 00:28:01,368 - Wow. Smart move. - Tell me about it. 459 00:28:01,377 --> 00:28:02,862 They take so much from you, don't they? 460 00:28:02,862 --> 00:28:06,053 - Not sure I'd see it quite like. - Just, I'm too selfish, I think. 461 00:28:06,053 --> 00:28:08,231 - Yeah? - Liked my career too much. 462 00:28:08,266 --> 00:28:12,231 I think, if you are going to have children, you need to be around. 463 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,471 - Whoops. - Well, yes. I mean, 464 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,431 an evening like tonight, it's fine you letting us down but, 465 00:28:19,431 --> 00:28:21,946 how did you cope when that was your kids, 466 00:28:21,955 --> 00:28:23,795 turning up two hours late for supper? 467 00:28:23,804 --> 00:28:27,404 Oh, we muddled through. 468 00:28:28,426 --> 00:28:31,653 Anyway, Dad tells me you're off to Venice at the weekend. 469 00:28:31,653 --> 00:28:36,382 - I know. You should tell him to stop spoiling me. - I should. 470 00:28:36,426 --> 00:28:38,728 And first class, too. 471 00:28:39,084 --> 00:28:41,182 Venice? 472 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:51,560 Right. Yeah. 473 00:28:53,297 --> 00:28:56,266 Funny. Very funny. 474 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:04,746 Actually that's not quite what I said. 475 00:29:04,755 --> 00:29:05,866 OK. 476 00:29:06,260 --> 00:29:09,777 I have it here, you said you saw her leave just after midnight. 477 00:29:09,786 --> 00:29:11,070 No, I said she would have left 478 00:29:11,075 --> 00:29:12,995 just after her shift ended at midnight. 479 00:29:12,995 --> 00:29:15,080 I never said I actually saw her. 480 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:16,426 Right. 481 00:29:16,460 --> 00:29:19,662 Guy Halford, the manager, he's the one who actually saw her. 482 00:29:19,964 --> 00:29:24,053 Sorry. And so what was the last time you saw her? 483 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:25,946 Just before 11. 484 00:29:25,982 --> 00:29:27,920 I was working through till three and 485 00:29:27,937 --> 00:29:29,560 I took a half-hour break then. 486 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,377 When Guy came back, he put me in the bar 487 00:29:31,377 --> 00:29:34,728 and I just presumed that Hayley was finishing up in the restaurant. 488 00:29:34,737 --> 00:29:38,791 And Guy Halford, does he still live in Middenham? 489 00:30:01,413 --> 00:30:03,560 - Hi. - Hi. 490 00:30:03,982 --> 00:30:07,920 I'm looking for Christopher Lowe. 491 00:30:07,928 --> 00:30:09,560 Hello. 492 00:30:20,186 --> 00:30:21,560 Go on. 493 00:30:22,284 --> 00:30:23,928 Stay there. Stay. 494 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,297 - Mr Carr? - Yeah. 495 00:30:41,048 --> 00:30:45,022 DI Sunny Khan. Have you got five minutes? 496 00:30:52,888 --> 00:30:54,560 No, I'm... 497 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:56,400 Sorry. 498 00:30:56,426 --> 00:30:57,991 OK. 499 00:30:59,973 --> 00:31:01,822 Absolutely sure? 500 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,604 - Yeah. - You know who she is, though? 501 00:31:04,657 --> 00:31:06,746 Yeah. Of course, yeah. 502 00:31:06,764 --> 00:31:10,977 I mean, I never saw her in that house. 503 00:31:11,457 --> 00:31:14,417 - Are you OK, Mr Lowe? - Yeah. 504 00:31:14,435 --> 00:31:15,911 Yeah, I just... 505 00:31:15,946 --> 00:31:17,920 I don't cope with stress very well. 506 00:31:17,982 --> 00:31:20,853 - Would you prefer to have someone with you? - No. No. 507 00:31:20,853 --> 00:31:23,560 - No, I'm fine, fine for now. - OK. 508 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,560 So we're just asking everyone we speak to 509 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,826 a number of general questions to help us with our enquiries. 510 00:31:28,826 --> 00:31:33,377 So, can you tell me what car you were driving that week? 511 00:31:33,386 --> 00:31:36,231 I didn't take a car. I went down with Tim. 512 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:40,995 And then, did you and your family travel back with him or...? 513 00:31:41,031 --> 00:31:43,093 My wife drove down with our daughter and 514 00:31:43,093 --> 00:31:44,560 we went back in her car. 515 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:45,760 Right. 516 00:31:45,804 --> 00:31:48,044 So what car was she driving? 517 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:52,097 She would have been driving the Maserati. 518 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:57,560 Right. 519 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:19,724 You know what? I think I did see her at the house. 520 00:32:21,137 --> 00:32:23,760 Right. Are you sure? 521 00:32:23,795 --> 00:32:26,560 Yeah. Just one time, but, 522 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,560 she's got a distinctive face, I guess. 523 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,191 - I think that was her. - OK. 524 00:32:31,297 --> 00:32:33,560 Was that on your own or...? 525 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,395 I'd come back from a round early. 526 00:32:35,395 --> 00:32:38,764 I was still a bit jet-lagged, so I went back to the house for a kip. 527 00:32:38,764 --> 00:32:41,377 When I walked in, she was there, hoovering. 528 00:32:41,413 --> 00:32:45,306 I said hello and asked if there was anything else she could do, 529 00:32:45,306 --> 00:32:46,853 'cause of the noise. 530 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:48,400 What day would that have been? 531 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:49,440 Oh. 532 00:32:49,448 --> 00:32:53,022 I'd have to check a calendar. Do you know when it was rented from? 533 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:54,560 Yeah. 534 00:32:56,275 --> 00:32:57,946 Monday the 27th. 535 00:32:57,950 --> 00:33:01,902 Monday. Well, we arrived in the evening, I remember that. 536 00:33:01,946 --> 00:33:04,240 I think we just chilled the next day, 537 00:33:04,257 --> 00:33:06,124 had a couple of bevvies in the local 538 00:33:06,124 --> 00:33:08,080 and played our first round the day after. 539 00:33:08,106 --> 00:33:11,484 So, I'm thinking the Wednesday. 540 00:33:11,795 --> 00:33:15,120 Just to go back to the conversation with her, 541 00:33:15,244 --> 00:33:17,560 - was it just about the hoovering, was it? - Yeah. 542 00:33:17,573 --> 00:33:21,400 When I woke up, the other lads were back and she'd gone. 543 00:33:21,466 --> 00:33:24,444 And you didn't discuss this with the others? 544 00:33:24,924 --> 00:33:26,600 Discuss what? 545 00:33:27,635 --> 00:33:30,560 That this girl, 546 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:34,808 who later went missing, had been in the house you all rented. 547 00:33:34,808 --> 00:33:35,920 No. 548 00:33:35,973 --> 00:33:39,080 I mean, I drove back to London on the 2nd 549 00:33:39,093 --> 00:33:43,084 and then flew out to Hong Kong first thing the next day, so... 550 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:45,560 This was a big story? 551 00:33:46,133 --> 00:33:50,080 It was huge. It was in all the national newspapers for weeks. 552 00:33:50,088 --> 00:33:53,644 Right, well, I had no idea about that. 553 00:33:54,337 --> 00:33:58,328 And her photo being on the front pages the last couple of days. 554 00:33:58,328 --> 00:34:01,560 Work's been crazy. I haven't had time to look at the papers. 555 00:34:02,266 --> 00:34:07,653 I'm sorry, but the first I've ever heard of this girl is now. 556 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,560 I suppose one of us would have cooked 557 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,057 and then all of us, with kids, I mean, 558 00:34:15,057 --> 00:34:16,302 would have eaten together. 559 00:34:16,328 --> 00:34:18,346 And that was a pleasant evening? 560 00:34:18,355 --> 00:34:20,053 - Yeah. - Everyone had a nice time? 561 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:21,937 Yeah, we had a nice time. Why do you ask that? 562 00:34:21,937 --> 00:34:23,560 Well, just 563 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:28,142 because Christmas and New Year can be quite stressful, can't it? 564 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,560 And I understand your marriage broke down not long after. 565 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:32,826 What has that got to do with anything? 566 00:34:32,826 --> 00:34:34,648 Well, I wondered if that was in any way, 567 00:34:34,648 --> 00:34:37,946 connected to something that happened on this break. 568 00:34:37,955 --> 00:34:40,640 You know, I think I do, I do need someone with me. 569 00:34:40,657 --> 00:34:43,351 Mm. And I can arrange that, of course, but 570 00:34:43,351 --> 00:34:44,915 can you answer that question, please? 571 00:34:44,915 --> 00:34:48,920 Because I'm aware that, of the three of you that were married, 572 00:34:48,933 --> 00:34:52,080 all of you were separated within the year. 573 00:34:52,088 --> 00:34:55,111 No, that was ... nothing to do with anything 574 00:34:55,111 --> 00:34:56,560 that happened on that break. 575 00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:57,560 So. 576 00:34:58,835 --> 00:35:00,560 Sure. 577 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,271 Who's that? 578 00:35:05,093 --> 00:35:08,933 That's my girlfriend and her son. I want to stop now, please. 579 00:35:09,208 --> 00:35:10,560 One more thing. 580 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,386 Lastly, we're asking everyone that we speak to 581 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,560 how they'd feel about providing a DNA swab. 582 00:35:20,764 --> 00:35:23,217 Entirely voluntary of course. 583 00:35:23,395 --> 00:35:25,262 How would you feel about that? 584 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,217 Not a problem. 585 00:35:27,262 --> 00:35:29,715 Good. Won't take a minute. 586 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,004 Mr Mullery, DC Jake Collier. 587 00:35:39,004 --> 00:35:40,560 Have you got five minutes for a quick chat, sir? 588 00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:41,706 Now, you'll have my home address, 589 00:35:41,706 --> 00:35:43,946 but you decided to come here because you thought what? 590 00:35:43,973 --> 00:35:45,484 That I'd be embarrassed 591 00:35:45,493 --> 00:35:47,822 and gratefully duck into some car so no-one saw? 592 00:35:47,857 --> 00:35:50,560 I just want to ask a few quick questions, sir. 593 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:52,600 So a couple of hours ago, the head suggested 594 00:35:52,604 --> 00:35:53,937 that maybe I should take some leave. 595 00:35:53,937 --> 00:35:56,488 Some of the parents have been uncomfortable with the situation. 596 00:35:56,488 --> 00:35:59,111 And, of course, I could refuse because she has no legal right. 597 00:35:59,111 --> 00:36:02,560 But do you know what? I have spent the past 18 years 598 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:04,631 telling people that I wasn't even charged, 599 00:36:04,631 --> 00:36:06,257 that not one single piece of evidence 600 00:36:06,257 --> 00:36:08,133 could ever be found to incriminate me, 601 00:36:08,133 --> 00:36:10,124 that the lead detective retired 602 00:36:10,124 --> 00:36:12,222 just before a misconduct case could be brought against him. 603 00:36:12,248 --> 00:36:14,995 So I am knackered 604 00:36:15,013 --> 00:36:18,657 and I'll take the paid break, thank you very much. 605 00:36:18,657 --> 00:36:19,635 But what it also means 606 00:36:19,635 --> 00:36:22,791 is that I am not remotely fucking embarrassed, mate. 607 00:36:22,897 --> 00:36:26,017 I am not remotely embarrassed to stand here 608 00:36:26,017 --> 00:36:29,475 and tell you loudly, no, I will not talk to you. 609 00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:30,880 I will not sit in a car or a room 610 00:36:30,888 --> 00:36:33,560 or anywhere with you, voluntarily, ever. 611 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,613 And if you want to arrest me, be my guest. 612 00:36:36,613 --> 00:36:39,004 But I'll not say another fucking word to you, 613 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,084 not even, "No comment" 614 00:36:41,093 --> 00:36:43,560 because I think the police are scum. 615 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:45,920 I think you lie. I think you break the law. 616 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,000 I think you take bribes and you sell stories. 617 00:36:48,008 --> 00:36:52,017 But worse than that, most unforgivable of all, 618 00:36:52,017 --> 00:36:54,231 I think you're thick. 619 00:36:54,408 --> 00:36:57,297 I think your ranks are made up of dim-witted mediocrity 620 00:36:57,297 --> 00:36:58,986 who joined the force because they wanted power 621 00:36:58,986 --> 00:37:02,488 but they're too stupid to get employed anywhere else. 622 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,906 So shame on you 623 00:37:07,137 --> 00:37:09,560 for the way you treated me, 624 00:37:11,102 --> 00:37:15,004 for letting Hayley down so catastrophically. 625 00:37:15,271 --> 00:37:20,080 And shame on you, DC Jake Collier, 626 00:37:20,568 --> 00:37:23,475 for becoming a police officer. 627 00:37:34,426 --> 00:37:36,311 And how sure did he seem? 628 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,560 Pretty sure. It was an instinctive reaction. 629 00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:40,408 I don't think he was recognising her from the newspapers. 630 00:37:40,408 --> 00:37:42,977 So this definitively places her in the house, 631 00:37:42,977 --> 00:37:46,400 - possibly with all four men, before the wives and kids arrived? - Yeah. 632 00:37:46,906 --> 00:37:48,995 What was he like otherwise? 633 00:37:49,137 --> 00:37:50,560 Odd. 634 00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,462 An odd mixture. 635 00:37:52,551 --> 00:37:55,680 I mean, I guess you've got to ask, why would he be telling me 636 00:37:55,688 --> 00:37:58,400 that he saw Hayley in the house if he had something to hide? 637 00:37:58,560 --> 00:37:59,560 But? 638 00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:03,280 But when I asked him if he'd give a DNA swab, 639 00:38:03,288 --> 00:38:06,000 he slightly looked like he'd just shat himself. 640 00:38:08,035 --> 00:38:10,337 What's his background? 641 00:38:13,084 --> 00:38:16,560 Lived and worked in Hong Kong for 25 years. 642 00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:20,666 Only married for the first time six years ago. 643 00:38:20,764 --> 00:38:23,560 No previous convictions, at least not here. 644 00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:24,600 And ah! 645 00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,080 Drove down to Middenham on a motorbike. 646 00:38:27,240 --> 00:38:30,600 Do we have a response from James Hollis about his car yet? 647 00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,902 I'll chase that. How was your man? 648 00:38:35,084 --> 00:38:36,560 So. 649 00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,560 He lives in a camper van. 650 00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:40,560 Oh. 651 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:44,560 I'd say he's definitely had some mental health issues, 652 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:46,675 looks like he hasn't got a pot to piss in. 653 00:38:46,675 --> 00:38:49,004 Except, in 1999, 654 00:38:49,111 --> 00:38:53,297 he was CEO of DDM Lowe, 655 00:38:53,297 --> 00:38:57,191 his own advertising agency. 656 00:38:57,244 --> 00:39:00,551 And this is a guy who got a double first from Cambridge, 657 00:39:00,551 --> 00:39:03,395 was basically a bit of a genius through his life, 658 00:39:03,395 --> 00:39:07,120 lived in a five million quid house in Notting Hill. 659 00:39:07,244 --> 00:39:09,226 Wow. When did he leave? 660 00:39:09,262 --> 00:39:10,817 Early 2000. 661 00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:13,395 "To pursue new challenges." 662 00:39:13,413 --> 00:39:15,560 What, like, how to live in a car park? 663 00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,080 DCI Stuart. 664 00:39:21,111 --> 00:39:23,920 Hello, I'm just returning your call. 665 00:39:23,946 --> 00:39:27,057 It's Mel Hollis here. I'm James Hollis' ex-wife. 666 00:39:27,084 --> 00:39:30,640 Ah, Mrs Hollis. Yeah, thanks for returning my call. 667 00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:34,560 No, it wasn't a pleasant evening. 668 00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,084 What it was, was a train wreck. 669 00:39:37,111 --> 00:39:38,560 In what way? 670 00:39:38,871 --> 00:39:42,560 Look the meal was fine. We ate, we cleared up, 671 00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:44,880 the kids were knackered, it'd been a long day getting there, 672 00:39:44,888 --> 00:39:47,155 so they went to bed about 9:30, 673 00:39:47,155 --> 00:39:49,848 which was good, that they were in bed, I mean, 674 00:39:49,848 --> 00:39:54,560 because they didn't have to see Chris go completely nuts, 675 00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:56,302 - for want of a better word. - How do you mean? 676 00:39:56,346 --> 00:39:59,733 Out of the blue, he just started ranting about 677 00:39:59,742 --> 00:40:03,351 his life, his marriage, his friends, 678 00:40:03,511 --> 00:40:07,404 how it all meant nothing, how everything was an illusion. 679 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,346 - It was quiet terrifying. - Wow, yeah, I can imagine. 680 00:40:10,364 --> 00:40:13,560 And so, what did people do? 681 00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,560 Well, I mean, we all tried to calm him down, obviously, 682 00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,560 particularly Laura his wife. 683 00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:23,031 But he was flailing his arms and shouting and, 684 00:40:23,235 --> 00:40:26,257 to be honest, we were all quite relieved 685 00:40:26,257 --> 00:40:28,560 when he then just suddenly walked out. 686 00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:30,240 - Of the house? - Mm-hm. 687 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,240 - And went where? - I don't know. 688 00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:35,973 Had he been drinking? 689 00:40:35,991 --> 00:40:37,635 Well, he'd had a few. 690 00:40:37,635 --> 00:40:40,897 We'd all had a few. It was New Year's Eve. 691 00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:42,560 Anything else? 692 00:40:43,804 --> 00:40:46,560 Someone might have bought some coke. 693 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:48,960 I don't know, maybe he'd had a bit of that. 694 00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:51,804 OK. 695 00:40:51,813 --> 00:40:54,106 So who was taking coke? 696 00:40:54,311 --> 00:40:57,191 Not me. Not any of the women, actually. 697 00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:58,666 Tim Finch? 698 00:40:58,666 --> 00:41:01,431 Definitely not, no. He never did that. 699 00:41:01,475 --> 00:41:03,680 Pete, no, he was more of a drinker. 700 00:41:03,742 --> 00:41:06,471 James, yes. 701 00:41:06,471 --> 00:41:09,920 In fact, I think it was him that probably bought it. 702 00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:13,102 When Chris went out of the house, 703 00:41:13,102 --> 00:41:16,560 - what time would that have been? - I don't know. 704 00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:19,560 - Just after ten, I guess. - And did anyone go after him? 705 00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,560 Yeah, after a minute or two, 706 00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,560 James and Tim. 707 00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,791 - Did they catch up with him? - No. 708 00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,804 No, Chris came back on his own about an hour and a half later. 709 00:41:29,804 --> 00:41:31,475 He was absolutely drenched. 710 00:41:31,475 --> 00:41:32,853 I mean, it was raining hard at this point 711 00:41:32,853 --> 00:41:35,111 and his clothes were covered with mud 712 00:41:35,111 --> 00:41:37,555 and he went straight upstairs to bed. 713 00:41:37,768 --> 00:41:40,293 - No explanation, no apology, nothing. - Right. 714 00:41:40,755 --> 00:41:42,444 Where was Pete Carr at this point? 715 00:41:42,453 --> 00:41:44,560 Pete had been out since right after the meal, 716 00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,560 - trying his luck at the pub. - Trying his luck? 717 00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:49,080 The ladies. 718 00:41:50,186 --> 00:41:51,937 He got back just after midnight. 719 00:41:51,937 --> 00:41:54,044 - On his own? - Mm-hm. 720 00:41:54,124 --> 00:41:55,760 And pissed. 721 00:41:55,795 --> 00:41:59,520 - And your husband and Dr Finch? - The same. 722 00:41:59,555 --> 00:42:01,560 No, they got back just before midnight. 723 00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,097 Just in time for Auld Lang Syne, bless. 724 00:42:04,151 --> 00:42:06,560 Were they separate or together? 725 00:42:08,204 --> 00:42:10,213 I can't remember. 726 00:42:11,377 --> 00:42:13,560 And what happened then? 727 00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:15,840 The guys went to bed, the women stayed up 728 00:42:15,857 --> 00:42:20,160 - and talked about our car crash marriages. - OK. 729 00:42:20,373 --> 00:42:24,515 This is really important, Ms Hollis, so, 730 00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,804 I want you to think very carefully, please. 731 00:42:27,893 --> 00:42:32,613 Did you see anyone go out again after that? 732 00:42:32,631 --> 00:42:33,857 No. 733 00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,324 No-one went out again after that. 734 00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:42,880 You sound very certain. 735 00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,364 Firstly, I sat up talking to Laura and Derran 736 00:42:46,364 --> 00:42:49,560 till about three o'clock in the morning, and then, 737 00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:52,880 I wasn't going to sleep with James that night, so I slept on the sofa. 738 00:42:52,897 --> 00:42:55,351 Except, I didn't, really. Sleep, I mean. 739 00:42:55,351 --> 00:42:57,920 So that meant I would have seen if anyone had gone out. 740 00:42:57,928 --> 00:42:59,413 And they didn't. 741 00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:04,240 Right. 742 00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:06,995 Fuck. 743 00:43:07,066 --> 00:43:10,764 The last sighting of her was after they were all back in the house. 744 00:43:11,813 --> 00:43:14,177 - So she could be lying. - Yep. 745 00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:17,560 Or mistaken. Maybe she did sleep and one of them came down 746 00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:19,560 at four or five or whatever and then went out. 747 00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:22,115 Except, if one of them came down at four or five, 748 00:43:22,124 --> 00:43:24,568 went out then and killed her, where... 749 00:43:24,568 --> 00:43:28,560 where was Hayley between leaving the pub at 12:10 and four or five? 750 00:43:28,577 --> 00:43:32,560 - No, that feels wrong. - Yeah, maybe. 751 00:43:32,737 --> 00:43:34,675 But not as wrong as all four men 752 00:43:34,675 --> 00:43:36,337 having clearly lied to us through their teeth. 753 00:43:36,337 --> 00:43:37,560 There is that. 754 00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:40,862 I need a drink. 755 00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:42,560 There is that. 756 00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:59,560 Yeah, it was about ten past, 757 00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:01,760 maybe quarter past midnight, 758 00:44:01,768 --> 00:44:04,168 - enough time to change, anyway. - For the party? - Yeah. 759 00:44:04,168 --> 00:44:07,013 'Cause she went as Madonna, 760 00:44:07,022 --> 00:44:08,826 the"Desperately Seeking Susan" one. 761 00:44:08,826 --> 00:44:11,395 You know, the slap and the hair and everything. 762 00:44:11,404 --> 00:44:15,288 It was an '80s theme, I think. 763 00:44:16,382 --> 00:44:19,191 - Sorry, just a sec. - Sure. 764 00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,417 This is from Hayley's diary. 765 00:44:28,435 --> 00:44:32,808 "I hate the '80s, I hate fancy dress, so am going as ME!! 766 00:44:32,817 --> 00:44:35,155 "They should be so lucky. Lucky, lucky, lucky!!" 767 00:44:35,164 --> 00:44:37,520 Maybe she changed her mind. 768 00:44:38,106 --> 00:44:41,253 Were there any other female staff going to the party 769 00:44:41,271 --> 00:44:45,511 who would have been the same age, same build as Hayley? 770 00:44:52,071 --> 00:44:53,511 Hey. 771 00:44:54,693 --> 00:44:56,320 Hey, Fran, what's up? 772 00:44:56,346 --> 00:44:59,560 There was another employee, same build, same colouring, 773 00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:00,693 same hair as Hayley, 774 00:45:00,693 --> 00:45:03,155 who's just confirmed to me that she went as Madonna 775 00:45:03,155 --> 00:45:05,111 and she left around 12:10. 776 00:45:05,111 --> 00:45:07,875 So you think the manager saw her leaving, not Hayley? 777 00:45:07,884 --> 00:45:09,937 I think it has to be a very strong possibility. 778 00:45:09,937 --> 00:45:13,182 Which means the last confirmed sighting of Hayley was way earlier. 779 00:45:13,182 --> 00:45:16,382 At 11, after which she could easily have bunked off work early. 780 00:45:16,391 --> 00:45:18,560 OK, this is brilliant work, Fran. 781 00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:20,124 Let's talk first thing tomorrow. 782 00:45:20,133 --> 00:45:22,142 - Goodnight, boss. - You heard that? 783 00:45:22,142 --> 00:45:24,026 So she could actually have left the pub earlier. 784 00:45:24,026 --> 00:45:25,297 At 11. 785 00:45:25,306 --> 00:45:28,977 Which means we now have four men, variously pissed, 786 00:45:28,977 --> 00:45:31,075 drugged up and possibly mentally unstable, 787 00:45:31,084 --> 00:45:33,560 out somewhere in Middenham, 788 00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:36,391 at exactly the same time as Hayley. 789 00:45:38,980 --> 00:45:41,324 Corrected by DB 56260

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