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[narrator] They were more
than 1000 miles apart.
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Yet two of America's most notorious
serial killers had a lot in common.
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[man on TV] The most
shocking and horrifying result
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of older men having sex
with young boys
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is the story of Dean Corll
in Houston, Texas,
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and, more recently,
John Gacy in Chicago.
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These handcuffs were found in his
residence during the search warrant.
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Gacy later admitted that he
got the handcuff trick from Corll,
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and he also bragged that he
got more kids than Corll did.
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Not 28 like Corll, but 33.
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He was... a pedophilia copycat.
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[narrator] This series investigates
evidence they were connected
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to a secret nationwide network
in the 1970s.
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They probably considered
John David Norman
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the kingpin of all
of porno operations.
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We searched the apartment
and found over 2000 file cards
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with the names of over 2000
boys, ranging in age from 14 to 20.
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He couldn't stop.
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This was a guy that
just could not stop.
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[narrator] It was a wide and
deep hidden web of pedophiles
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preying on young men.
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Doctors, lawyers
all the way down.
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Police departments.
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Some of them were
Boy Scout leaders
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in Boy Scout Troop 137.
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These people with power,
especially political power,
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they can get
a lot of things erased.
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[narrator] And in
never heard before tapes,
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the killer clown tells
a different tale of murder.
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[record playing]
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[narrator] And two investigators
race against time to close the case
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on two of America's
most notorious serial killers.
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We know that time is not
necessarily on our side.
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As long as I'm here, I will not
stop until I can't work it any longer.
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[man] Sitting on death row, John
Wayne Gacy has been hugely successful
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with his artwork, cashing in
on his notoriety as a serial killer.
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Gacy's crude paintings are
on exhibit around the country.
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Elvis, Jesus, the seven dwarves,
and a self portrait has "Pogo the Clown".
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Collectors have paid him
more than $100,000.
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[narrator] Since his
conviction in 1980,
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the killer clown has been
appealing his death sentence,
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using the money from his
artwork to pay his legal bills,
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and basking in his notoriety
as a serial killer.
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[siren wailing]
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[Skip] The reason we're
sometimes drawn to serial killers
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is not because of their victims, but
because of the serial killers themselves.
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Here is the personification
of evil.
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And we want to sort
of read about that.
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We want to explore it. We
want to see what that looks like.
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[narrator] In 1989, Randy White
began talking to John Wayne Gacy
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while he sat on death row.
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Randy, a Canadian who calls
himself an amateur researcher,
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says it started with a book
a friend suggested he read.
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[Randy] It was Buried Dreams, and he
told me about this book and about Gacy.
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And he told me, well, uh, you
know, he killed all these kids.
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And I saw it's interesting,
and you could write to him,
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there was his prison number
on the back of the book.
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You know, I read the book and
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I thought it was just...
It was curiosity... sake...
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...to write to him.
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[narrator] White is not a
journalist or an investigator,
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but he was fascinated
with Gacy and the case.
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Some people just are.
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He was a smooth talker.
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It was a very charming...
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Um, you know, you wouldn't
dream that he was a killer.
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[narrator] It started with a letter
and then became phone calls.
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At first, it was mostly about his
family, about his... his paintings
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that we talked about.
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[narrator] Until now, these calls
have never been made public,
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[Randy] Eventually, he said, you know,
like all the books you read about me,
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it's all trash garbage.
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[narrator] The more Randy
looks into news articles
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and the books written about
the case, the more he wonders.
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Is there something
to what Gacy is telling him?
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I knew that he killed.
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But maybe he wasn't involved
in all these murders.
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Others could have been involved
with him or did it on their own.
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[narrator] It's a far stretch
from back in 1978,
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where Gacy confessed to the
police to murdering more than 30 boys.
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He even drew them a sketch
of where the bodies were buried.
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Yet Gacey was desperate
to fight off his death sentence.
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So Randy begins digging up
what he can about the victims
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and some of the men
who worked for Gacy.
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[narrator] Randy doesn't know it at the
time, but John David Norman of Texas
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is at the center of the story of
John Wayne Gacy and Dean Corll.
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It started with a raid in 1973
on Norman's apartment in Dallas.
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[telecaster] Police in Dallasthink they've uncovered
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a nationwide procurement ring
for homosexuals.
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They raided an apartment
and found hundreds of booklets
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with the names
and pictures of young men.
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[RC Nelson] I was a detectivein Dallas Police Department,
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when we busted this guy.
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And as I recall,
Norman was sitting
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at a kitchen table,
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and a couple of kids
sitting around.
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Underage teenage boys,
and on the table,
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various cards
and brochures on display.
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[RC Nelson] Normanwas recruiting teenage kids
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to go around the country
for prostitution.
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[narrator] Through his newsletter,
The Odyssey Foundation,
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Norman disguised the scheme
as providing self help
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for young people
through travel programs.
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It was anything but that.
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[RC Nelson]
It was kids for rent.
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Christ, just... makes you sick
to think about it.
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[female reporter] Police are still
trying to compile enough evidence
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to file a charge of conspiracy
to commit a felony,
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namely sodomy, against
45-year-old John Paul Norman,
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the alleged head of that homosexual
procurement operation in Dallas.
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[RC Nelson] We interviewed
him, you know, all he had was a nod
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or, I don't know,
or, I'm innocent.
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He didn't have anything to say.
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[narrator] Police compile the
names of 30 juveniles from 13 states,
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who were allegedly procured as
companions for older men known as sponsors.
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There were over 100 cards.
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[narrator] It was a nationwide
child trafficking ring,
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discovered one week after the Dean Corll
mass murders in Houston made headlines.
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[male reporter] So far,24 bodies have been recovered.
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They're all teenage boys
who were tortured,
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sexually abused
and then brutally killed.
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34-year-old Dean Corll sexually
assaulted all of the victims.
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Then they were tortured by
17-year-old Elmer Wayne Henley.
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Henley was charged
with four counts of murder.
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There were all these rumors that
Corll was part of an organization
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where he was paid to send
teenage boys to California
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to be part of this
homosexual teenage ring.
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[narrator] In fact, Elmer Wayne
Henley had said in his confession,
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that Corll said he belonged to a group
out of Dallas that bought and sold boys.
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Now Hamleys words make sense.
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Police believe some of
the boys killed by Dean Corll
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may have been among
those pictures.
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Today, this would be an enormous
scandal with every name investigated.
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But in the 1970s,
only Norman was charged.
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Less than a month after the
raid, Norman was released
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on a $7000 bond.
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There's no national tracking
system, no sex offender registry.
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Dallas police had to let him go.
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Unfortunately, we never
brought him to trial
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in Dallas,
just because he's gone.
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Gone, but not long before
he's back in business.
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Less than a month
after the Dallas bust,
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Norman changes his name
to Steven Gerwel,
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and surfaces 1000 miles north.
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[RC Nelson] I got a call from
Illinois from a Detective Flannery.
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Norman was there,
doing the same thing
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that we had got
him for in Dallas.
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It didn't take him...
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Probably two or three days, he
was back in business in Illinois.
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[narrator] It was true.
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Detective Sergeant, Frank
Flannery of Homewood Police
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had received an anonymous call
from a concerned neighbor.
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[Frank] And this woman said,
Mr. Flannery, you don't know me,
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but I'm telling you that there
is a man in an apartment.
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He is luring young boys, and
performing sexual acts on them.
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[narrator] The caller
identifies one of the boys,
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as 13-year-old Kenny Hellstrom.
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[Frank] I almost fellout of the chair.
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I knew the Hellstroms since
grade school, this is their son.
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"I called Kenny Hellstrom's father,
and I said, "You better come in here
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"and you better bring that boy
with you," I said he's involved
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in some very, very terrible
activities that are going on.
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[narrator] The story Kenny
Hellstrom tells Detective Flannery
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is why parents tell their
kids, "Beware of strangers."
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[Frank] He told me that
he had first met this person
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in a restaurant in Homewood,
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and the man asked him
if he wanted a ride home,
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and he said, sure. So he put him in
the car and instead of taking him home,
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he brought him to his apartment
and asked him if he wanted some beer.
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He brought him in there
and he gave him beer.
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And that's the way
that this thing got started.
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[narrator] 13-year-old Kenny lives
down the street from John David Norman.
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So do lots of his friends.
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Soon they're all gathering after school
to meet the man with the free beer.
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This John David Norman
showed them pornographic films.
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Then he would show
them pornographic films
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where it was just males having
sexual acts with one another,
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and the boys,
they went along with it.
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He would pull the boy's pants
down and perform oral sex on them.
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Sometimes one at a time,
sometimes five in a row.
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These are the testimonies that
we have from the boys themselves.
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Uh, you're talking
about one evil... evil...
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I can't use that kind
of language on television.
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But, uh, I've got
a few more words
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that could describe this man
and as far as I'm concerned,
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there is a special place
in hell for that bastard.
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[narrator] When Detective
Flannery raids the apartment,
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no one is home,
but there's plenty to see.
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[Frank] We went into every drawer,
uh, and in an upstairs bedroom
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that was not being used, this
is where we found the camera,
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the filming
and these index cards.
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I said to my partner, I said,
"What... What in the world is this?"
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White three by five index cards in
file boxes. Just like in a recipe box.
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All right, this is for tacos. This
is for corn, beef and cabbage,
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If you're Irish like I am.
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[narrator] Norman has
started a new list of boys,
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and the men who wanted them.
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Over 2000 names on them. The
names of children ranging in age
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from 14 to 20, uh, from
all over the United States.
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Most of them
were from out of state.
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Dallas, Texas, San Diego,
Maryland, Connecticut,
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New York State, Florida,
all over the place.
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I had never seen anything
like that in my life, no.
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[narrator] John Norman
isn't just a local nuisance.
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He runs a national pedophile ring,
and the index cards are his database.
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Everything police needed to make
their case was on those index cards.
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We gave everything that we had,
the cards, all the files, everything
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to the Chicago Police
Department,
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and they started their
prosecution with him as well.
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[narrator] Chicago police would
prosecute John Norman, all right,
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but that's where it ended.
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Where those cards were
at today, I have no idea.
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[narrator] When the police find
John David Norman, they charged him
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with three counts of contributing
to the sexual delinquency
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of a child, and five counts of
indecent liberties with a child.
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He's sent to Chicago's Cook
County Jail with bail set at $325,000.
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[Frank] I wish I was the one to
put the cuffs on him to tell the truth.
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He was nervous.
There's no two ways about it.
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I mean, I spoke to my partner
the very next day.
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He said he was shaking so bad he
could barely sign his his rights waiver.
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[narrator] Detective Sergeant
Flannery turned over the index cards
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to the Chicago Police.
A detailed catalog of names,
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[Frank] Power.People know judges.
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People know other people
in power themselves.
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People like you and I would
have been in jail a long time ago,
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but these people, they do it
and they get away with it.
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[narrator] 13-year-old Kenny
Hellstrom was one of Norman's victims,
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and he testified against Norman.
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One year later, Kenny was found stabbed
to death on his way home from work.
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Somebody stabbed him
six times in his back
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and he made his way home
and was scratching at the door,
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and he died
in his mother's arms.
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We never did figure out 100
percent why the person stabbed him.
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[narrator] $250 was in his
pocket, making robbery unlikely.
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But the police were never
able to rule out retaliation
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for his testimony
against Norman.
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In the Cook County Jail, while
awaiting trial on his sodomy charges,
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Norman meets 22-year-old
Phillip Paske.
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Paske is awaiting trial on
attempted murder in a robbery.
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Using the jail's printing press,
Norman with Paske's help
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gets his Boys for Rent
newsletter back into print.
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In early 1976,
Phillip Paske was paroled
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and ran Norman's Boys for
Rent newsletter from the outside.
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A year later, Norman is
paroled, moves in with Paske,
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and they continue
the mail order sex business.
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One reporter is about to blow the cover
on an underground pedophile network.
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[woman] I was a reporter for
The Chicago Tribune in 1977.
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I think I was all
of 33 years old,
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and it was my first
sort of major investigation.
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[narrator] Michael Sneed is one of
Chicago's most powerful journalists.
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Back then, her career
was about to take off.
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A brochure about underage boys for
rent arrives mysteriously on her desk.
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Somebody sent me
a flyer in the mail
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and the flyer said,
"The Delta Project".
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And it had to do
with boy love stuff.
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We had no idea where
it was coming from.
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So I called the police department
and I asked for the juvenile division.
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And as soon as I said I'm curious about
something called "The Delta Project."
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Have you heard
anything about it?
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Total silence.
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The end result was, he hung up.
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[phone disconnects]
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I went to my editor,
George Bliss, and I said,
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I don't know how much further
we can go with this.
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[narrator] Bliss is a Pulitzer
Prize winning investigative reporter
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with an established relationship
with the Chicago police.
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The police agreed to let Sneed and
Bliss join in their undercover operation.
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And it was sort of during a
time when reporters and police
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worked together
a little differently.
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We really worked together.
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So every night
we were on stakeouts.
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We were in cars with cops.
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We were watching
what was going on.
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And we'd go
to the Chicken Hawk area.
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The boys
were considered chickens,
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thought chicken hawks were
considered the guys that went after them.
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[narrator] Embedded with the cops night
after night, for weeks and months on end,
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a dark web of child pornography
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and prostitution emerges
on the streets of Chicago.
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[Sneed] Men were paying
underage boys to have sex with them.
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Which was an outrage.
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Even I thought that men were
only interested in the little girl's.
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It didn't even occur to me that it
was little boys that they were after.
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[Sneed] Prostitution was not
unknown, but we did not know
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that there was an area in
Chicago where this was going on
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and that children were
involved in these things.
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[narrator] The brochure Michael
Sneed received in the mail,
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The Delta Project, was part
of this so called boy love world
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and went far beyond the
streets of the windy city.
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This was the 70s.
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There was no Internet,
no social media.
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It was newsletter,
after newsletter,
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promoting pedophilia
as an unabashed lifestyle
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from coast to coast
and around the world.
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[Sneed] They would send aroundthese brochures.
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Somehow they went
through the mails,
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and through word of mouth, people
would know this is what this meant.
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This periodical was just a way of
summoning you to these places.
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It was print, it was paper.
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This was a pond of perversity.
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[narrator] And the ringleaderwas headquartered in Chicago.
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[Sneed] John Norman was the guy.
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He was the big guy.
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He was the guy
that produced all this stuff.
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His arrest record dates back
to May 20th, 1954,
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when he was arrested for
molesting a minor in Houston.
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After that,
he was arrested in Sacramento,
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Santa Ana, Los Angeles,
Santa Monica,
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Dallas, Chicago and Homewood
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for various
sex related offenses.
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[narrator] Norman was a big
player, but not the only one.
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Sneed discovers child
pornography and prostitution
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operating across the country.
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It was organized, profitable,
and much of it was on film.
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[Sneed] People thenwere filming children,
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and sending this film overseas
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or nationwide
for people to view.
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We were watching
what was going on every night
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trying to identify
some of these men.
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[narrator] The customerswere often the very people
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who had volunteered
to help children.
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Trafficking in those days
was done,
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I think an awful lot
through foster care.
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These children
would be taken in,
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somehow they would either
leave foster care,
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or their foster parent
would be involved in this filth.
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[narrator] It's a ghastly
reality Sneed sees for herself
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on her last late night stakeout.
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[Sneed] It wasin a cheesy-sleazy motel
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on Sheridan Road.
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The guy who was the
foster father of this foster kid,
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and he was filming him,
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having sex with another boy
that was much younger.
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The guy who was
the foster father,
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I remember them
putting him on the floor.
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His hands behind his back.
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And while they were
handcuffing them,
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one police officer threw me
his gun and said,
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"Hold it on him,
will you please?"
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I'm like, "Are you kidding me?"
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[narrator] After monthsof crisscrossing the country,
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talking to police, pornographers
and some of their victims,
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the Chicago Tribune
publishes the series
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exposing the pedophile ring in
America and the story explodes.
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Here's the first one.
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[narrator] It was a massive moment
for Sneed and for the country.
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[Sneed] I had no ideathat it would be this big.
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I knew it was gonna be
a big crime story.
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It's just unbelievable.
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[narrator] The story wentbeyond Norman's operation
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to the tragedy of missing kids,
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especially boys in the 70s.
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I remember, um,
a police officer saying to me
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after we did the child
porn series, he said,
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"So you've taken on
the one taboo. Finally."
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'Cause it's been taboo forever.
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Nobody really wanted
to talk about it.
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Nobody really did
anything about it.
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Because a lot of it involved
members of families.
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There were no real
child obscenity laws.
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That's why this story
became so big.
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[narrator] The seriespaves the way for new laws
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protecting children
from being trafficked
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and made creating and
distributing child pornography illegal.
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But for some,
the law came too late.
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[narrator] Since 2011, Lieutenant
Jason Moran has been trying to identify
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the last eight victims
of John Wayne Gacy.
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I don't wanna bring
attention to the killer.
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This isn't about him.
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This is about victims of murder.
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It's about missing persons.
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Unidentified deceased persons.
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Families, providing answers.
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Not knowing the fate
of your missing loved one
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is worse than hearing
what happened?
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There wasn't a person
in the United States
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that didn't hear
of the Gacy serial killings.
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The media stories went on
for months and months.
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So if you had
a missing person in your life,
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a missing young man,
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you would've had to have
heard the message.
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[reporter] When police uncovered
the bodies of 27 young men
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buried at Gacy's home,
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they assumed they'd be deluged
with phone calls.
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The parents of teenage boys who had
disappeared the past few years would call,
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and that would help in the
identification of the victims.
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But it hasn't happened.
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[narrator] Former Des
Plaines detective Rafael Tovar
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was on the Gacy case
from day one.
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[Rafael] We didn't have as much
a response as we had hoped,
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and my thought is that
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1978, homosexuality
was not as acceptable.
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It was hard to get people to come
forth because of stigma attached to it.
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And I think some people probably just
said, you know, I don't wanna go there.
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If he's dead, he's dead.
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[narrator] But in 2011, when the
Cook County sheriff reopened the case,
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attitudes about
homosexuality were changing.
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The taboo of being gay
was lifting.
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[Thomas] It was really
incredible the first couple of days.
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Tip after tip was coming in
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of people
who had always wondered
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and harbored some notion
that maybe my son, my uncle,
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my cousin, my brother
was a victim of Gacy,
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but really didn't know
what they could do about it.
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[narrator]
Thanks to DNA technology,
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two of Gacy's victims
were identified.
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Six remain nameless.
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[Willa] I called up, and I said,
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"I'm calling in response
to the Gacy investigation
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and I think my brother
may be one of the victims."
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[narrator] For more thanhalf of her life,
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Dr. Willa Wertheimer wondered
what happened to her half-brother.
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[Willa]
Is he out there somewhere?
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Incapacitated or suffering or...
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on drugs
or living under a bridge.
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Or, you know, what happened,
and where is he,
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and is he okay?
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I wanted so much to find him.
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[narrator] Fifteen-year-old
Andy Drath of Chicago
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disappeared in late 1977.
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Andy was, um,
almost two years older than I.
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We were, you know,
always together.
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We fought sometimes like
siblings do, but yeah, we were close
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When our mother died, I was five
and a half, he was a little over seven.
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And I think
the whole house fell apart.
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My father, his stepfather, he would
sort of keep tabs on the situation,
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00:28:29,174 --> 00:28:31,809
but they didn't have
a good relationship, so...
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[sighs] I wouldn't know
how to describe it.
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When you're labeled
a bad kinda kid
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who is hyper, can't focus,
grieving,
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you know, and, um, he
couldn't find a place to fit.
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He started leaving home
at around 10:00.
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He was very young.
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He was very traumatized,
very unhappy.
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And it just kept escalating
and getting worse.
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He'd come home, he'd go to a
special school, he'd run away again.
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No matter
what the ups and downs,
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even when he was off the grid,
so to speak, he would call me
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and we would
catch up a little bit.
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I was about 13 and we
met up in the neighborhood
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and I noticed his voice was
changing and getting deeper.
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And I had no idea that would
be the last time I'd see him.
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[Jason]
Missing person Andy Drath.
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He was lean number 49,
and he was the right age.
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He was from the north side of
Chicago where Gacy operated mainly
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He had a weak family bond.
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And was passed from placement
to placement,
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to foster parent to placement.
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00:30:13,144 --> 00:30:18,215
For a young man, uh,
just had a hard time in life.
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He just really couldn't win.
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He further explained
that Andy's Foster parent
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would victimize him sexually.
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He would put him in videos of
him having sex with other men.
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He would push him out on
the street to be a prostitute.
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This is a young man, white, operating as
a prostitute on the north side of Chicago.
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There's no one
looking for this young man.
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He's a perfect victim
for John Gacy.
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[narrator] For 32 years,
Willia Wertheimer of Chicago
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wondered if her half-brother,
Andy Drath, was a Gacy victim.
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After submitting her DNA,
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to the Cook County Sheriff's
Office, all she could do is wait.
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[Willia] The day Detective
Moran was ready to make
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00:31:15,306 --> 00:31:17,708
a positive identification,
he drove out to me.
464
00:31:20,345 --> 00:31:23,580
We went over things that
we're connecting and lining up.
465
00:31:25,850 --> 00:31:30,220
And then he sort of
drew himself up a little bit
466
00:31:30,321 --> 00:31:34,892
and... and said quite formally,
that he regretted to inform me
467
00:31:34,993 --> 00:31:38,295
and, you know, told me.
468
00:31:38,396 --> 00:31:45,903
I would've bet a week's salary that Andy
was one of Gacy's unidentified victims.
469
00:31:46,004 --> 00:31:47,638
I was wrong. My guess was wrong.
470
00:31:49,674 --> 00:31:51,208
But Andy was still missing.
471
00:31:52,377 --> 00:31:55,646
So now Willia's DNA profile
gets uploaded
472
00:31:55,747 --> 00:31:58,482
into the Federal DNA Database.
473
00:31:58,583 --> 00:32:03,620
A database that we use to identify missing
persons or unidentified deceased persons.
474
00:32:05,223 --> 00:32:08,358
[narrator] Four years later
and 2,000 miles away,
475
00:32:08,459 --> 00:32:10,460
Willia's wait comes to an end.
476
00:32:11,963 --> 00:32:13,397
[Jason] Willia's DNA profile
477
00:32:14,832 --> 00:32:19,269
was similar to an unidentified
homicide victim from San Francisco.
478
00:32:20,271 --> 00:32:25,142
A young man
that was found murdered
479
00:32:25,243 --> 00:32:28,979
and concealed in the beach
off of the ocean.
480
00:32:30,748 --> 00:32:34,985
The genetic association between
Willia and this unidentified murder victim,
481
00:32:35,086 --> 00:32:39,022
and the circumstances
surrounding Andy's disappearance,
482
00:32:39,123 --> 00:32:42,326
and him traveling to San
Francisco, we were able to say
483
00:32:42,427 --> 00:32:46,229
that that unidentified
murder victim was Andy Drath.
484
00:32:57,141 --> 00:33:01,411
He was shot
485
00:33:01,512 --> 00:33:05,716
and buried in the sand
at San Francisco Beach.
486
00:33:11,823 --> 00:33:17,394
I don't want to talk
about the specific details,
487
00:33:17,495 --> 00:33:22,766
but I could tell that
he knew it was coming.
488
00:33:22,867 --> 00:33:26,370
And he must have
surely been terrified.
489
00:33:26,471 --> 00:33:31,675
[narrator] If Andy wasn't a Gacy
victim, then who killed him and why?
490
00:33:31,776 --> 00:33:36,947
My case really could have stopped
them, but I had to follow up on it.
491
00:33:38,016 --> 00:33:42,119
I couldn't leave Willa
with those questions.
492
00:33:44,722 --> 00:33:46,356
Then my role kinda shifted
493
00:33:46,457 --> 00:33:48,458
to assisting the San
Francisco Police Department
494
00:33:48,559 --> 00:33:50,560
with their open murder case.
495
00:33:52,997 --> 00:33:56,099
So I began looking
for reasons why someone
496
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,469
would want to kill Andy,
who seemingly hurt no one.
497
00:34:00,638 --> 00:34:02,839
[narrator] Lieutenant Moranhas stepped into a story
498
00:34:02,940 --> 00:34:06,676
uncovered when Andy
disappeared in 1977,
499
00:34:06,778 --> 00:34:12,149
that spider's web of predators
preying on boys across America.
500
00:34:12,250 --> 00:34:17,788
And I started to look more
into Andy and learned that.
501
00:34:17,889 --> 00:34:23,093
Andy's foster parent, the
one who was victimizing him
502
00:34:23,194 --> 00:34:28,832
by putting on the street to
commit acts of prostitution,
503
00:34:28,933 --> 00:34:34,071
was arrested for these crimes,
eventually, back in the late seventies,
504
00:34:34,172 --> 00:34:36,807
[narrator] The foster fatheron reporter Michael Sneed's
505
00:34:36,908 --> 00:34:39,609
last stakeout in May of 1977
506
00:34:39,710 --> 00:34:44,514
was a photographer for one of John
David Norman's newsletters, Hermes.
507
00:34:44,615 --> 00:34:49,086
And the boy in the motel
was Willa's brother Andy Drath.
508
00:34:50,188 --> 00:34:55,692
He was a witness in a trial
against his abusers,
509
00:34:55,793 --> 00:35:00,363
a man who forced him to be
a juvenile male prostitute.
510
00:35:00,465 --> 00:35:03,300
[Jason] The prosecutorat the time needed Andy
511
00:35:03,401 --> 00:35:07,270
to testify against
his foster parents.
512
00:35:09,974 --> 00:35:13,710
It just seems from what I found,
that this criminal prosecution
513
00:35:13,811 --> 00:35:15,145
was too much for him.
514
00:35:15,980 --> 00:35:17,380
And I started a locate documents
515
00:35:17,482 --> 00:35:20,250
saying that he was going
to move to San Francisco.
516
00:35:20,318 --> 00:35:24,387
[narrator] But Andy couldn't escape
the web, a national ring with tentacles
517
00:35:24,489 --> 00:35:26,623
in cities and towns
across the country.
518
00:35:27,992 --> 00:35:31,094
I began to think
that perhaps Andy's killer
519
00:35:31,195 --> 00:35:34,631
may be followed him
from Chicago to San Francisco.
520
00:35:37,168 --> 00:35:41,037
[narrator] Was Andy one of the
boys on Norman's index cards?
521
00:35:41,139 --> 00:35:44,174
And what secrets
could he have told?
522
00:35:44,275 --> 00:35:48,445
To this day, Andy Drath's
murder remains unsolved
523
00:35:50,248 --> 00:35:54,251
[Willa] For a good while, I kept
reliving what I imagined he would feel,
524
00:35:55,820 --> 00:36:01,658
and I used to have a fantasy of
525
00:36:03,327 --> 00:36:07,430
dying with him so that
he could look at the face
526
00:36:07,532 --> 00:36:12,068
of someone who loved
him, instead of his killer.
527
00:36:17,808 --> 00:36:20,911
[narrator] At the Cook County
Sheriff's Office, Lieutenant Jason Moran
528
00:36:21,012 --> 00:36:24,147
has been working tirelessly
to give the last six
529
00:36:24,248 --> 00:36:26,917
of Gacy's victims
their names back.
530
00:36:27,018 --> 00:36:29,152
He has leads on two more.
531
00:36:29,253 --> 00:36:32,889
Victim number 5 and victim
number 28.
532
00:36:32,990 --> 00:36:36,826
[Jason] Victim number 28 was
found buried in the backyard
533
00:36:36,928 --> 00:36:40,430
underneath the barbecue pit, and
he still has never been identified.
534
00:36:41,866 --> 00:36:44,234
This ring was on
the commitment finger
535
00:36:45,136 --> 00:36:47,971
of the left hand of Victim
number 28,
536
00:36:48,072 --> 00:36:51,775
The reason why this always puzzled
me was because it appears to be like
537
00:36:51,876 --> 00:36:54,444
a wedding ring or
a promise ring,
538
00:36:55,580 --> 00:36:57,647
which means that someone
539
00:36:57,748 --> 00:36:59,149
should have been
looking for this person.
540
00:37:00,818 --> 00:37:05,555
Time is of the essence,
every month that goes by
541
00:37:05,656 --> 00:37:09,359
it's possible that we're
losing individuals
542
00:37:09,460 --> 00:37:13,630
that are related to the victims
and we need their biological sample.
543
00:37:13,731 --> 00:37:14,631
For testing.
544
00:37:16,133 --> 00:37:19,970
As long as there's leads
to follow, as long as
545
00:37:20,071 --> 00:37:24,708
there's people that I could talk to
about their missing family members,
546
00:37:24,809 --> 00:37:25,942
we're going to pursue this.
547
00:37:29,013 --> 00:37:33,316
[Reporter] The dangers confronting
runaways are real in Houston, Texas,
548
00:37:33,417 --> 00:37:38,154
In 1973, Dean Corll
killed 27 young boys,
549
00:37:38,256 --> 00:37:39,623
many of them runaways.
550
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:46,162
A national runaway hotline
was established to help parents
551
00:37:46,264 --> 00:37:47,697
from all over the country
discover
552
00:37:47,798 --> 00:37:50,433
if their runaway children
were among the murdered.
553
00:37:52,036 --> 00:37:54,804
[Sharon] When you putthat final puzzle piece in,
554
00:37:54,905 --> 00:37:57,107
it's like a light comes on
and you feel like
555
00:37:57,208 --> 00:38:00,277
you've really done something
worthwhile.
556
00:38:00,378 --> 00:38:03,847
And that's why it is so fascinating
to be a forensic anthropologist.
557
00:38:06,417 --> 00:38:10,754
[narrator] Since2006, Dr. Sharon
Derek has been untangling the mystery
558
00:38:10,855 --> 00:38:13,690
of the last unidentified
victims of Dean Corll.
559
00:38:15,092 --> 00:38:17,060
One last boy remains.
560
00:38:17,161 --> 00:38:20,430
If she can identify him,
she can close the case
561
00:38:20,531 --> 00:38:22,799
on the candy man's reign
of terror for good.
562
00:38:32,943 --> 00:38:39,349
This is the reconstruction
of NL 733356.
563
00:38:39,450 --> 00:38:45,722
It is not a picture of the boy
himself, but it is a facial approximation
564
00:38:45,823 --> 00:38:49,092
that using his bone structure
measurements and some of the information
565
00:38:49,193 --> 00:38:53,997
we know about him. ace and
a CT scan, artists put together
566
00:38:54,098 --> 00:38:56,299
what he may have looked like.
567
00:38:56,400 --> 00:39:01,604
We had submitted DNA samples
from almost every bone in his body.
568
00:39:01,706 --> 00:39:06,743
We did a full anthropological
analysis, came up with a profile that says
569
00:39:06,844 --> 00:39:09,312
that he was probably fifteen
to seventeen years old.
570
00:39:09,413 --> 00:39:11,948
He was Caucasian.
571
00:39:12,049 --> 00:39:17,921
We call that European-American
or he may have had some Hispanic.
572
00:39:18,022 --> 00:39:20,423
[narrator] Among his remainswas a pair of boots,
573
00:39:20,524 --> 00:39:23,693
a t shirt and a striped
Catalina swimsuit.
574
00:39:25,162 --> 00:39:29,766
Her best lead so far
comes from a secret source.
575
00:39:29,867 --> 00:39:34,404
[Sharon] I think this kidis possibly a boy
576
00:39:34,505 --> 00:39:38,041
who I have several pictures
of that were sent to me
577
00:39:38,142 --> 00:39:43,246
by on anonymous individual who
maintained that this boy's name
578
00:39:43,347 --> 00:39:44,714
is Bobby French.
579
00:39:44,815 --> 00:39:47,984
And that he was killed right
after the pictures were taken.
580
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:54,290
I don't know if that is true,
but I do know that the pictures
581
00:39:54,392 --> 00:40:00,497
of this boy look very much like
the facial structure of ML 733356.
582
00:40:01,732 --> 00:40:04,401
The hair looks good,
the jawline looks good.
583
00:40:04,502 --> 00:40:07,771
And so I'm very interested
to know who that boy is
584
00:40:07,872 --> 00:40:11,875
and why this person thinks
that he was a victim.
585
00:40:14,645 --> 00:40:18,415
Right now, the search
for this boy's identity
586
00:40:18,516 --> 00:40:23,319
is in the hands
of genealogical DNA.
587
00:40:23,421 --> 00:40:25,722
[narrator] Dr. Derrick is no
longer with the Harris County
588
00:40:25,823 --> 00:40:30,059
medical examiner's office, But
some things never leave you.
589
00:40:30,161 --> 00:40:33,062
Whoever sent those photos
remains a mystery,
590
00:40:33,164 --> 00:40:36,399
and the best hope is to
track down Bobby French.
591
00:40:36,500 --> 00:40:41,237
If this production can do that,
can track down family members
592
00:40:41,338 --> 00:40:47,277
of a Bobby French who may either
had be deceased or who is fine now.
593
00:40:47,378 --> 00:40:51,080
It would be very helpful
to the investigation.
594
00:40:51,182 --> 00:40:54,551
[narrator] Every one of Corll's
victims came from the Houston area,
595
00:40:54,652 --> 00:40:57,053
many from the same neighborhood.
596
00:40:57,154 --> 00:41:01,191
If this boy wasn't from Houston,
could he be one of sex trafficker
597
00:41:01,292 --> 00:41:04,661
John David Norman's
boys for rent?
598
00:41:04,762 --> 00:41:08,798
Was Norman's ring bigger and
more dangerous than anyone knew?
599
00:41:08,866 --> 00:41:10,767
Even John Wayne Gacy.
600
00:41:12,203 --> 00:41:13,269
[speaking]
601
00:41:14,138 --> 00:41:15,038
[speaking]
602
00:41:15,139 --> 00:41:18,041
[speaking]
603
00:41:18,609 --> 00:41:21,211
[speaking]
604
00:41:21,312 --> 00:41:22,345
[speaking]
605
00:41:22,446 --> 00:41:25,048
[speaking]
606
00:41:25,149 --> 00:41:29,452
[narrator] During those first few months,
Randy White delves into the victims.
607
00:41:29,553 --> 00:41:32,288
And the more they talked,
the more Randi wondered
608
00:41:32,389 --> 00:41:34,424
if there was something
to Gacy's claims.
609
00:41:35,159 --> 00:41:37,827
[speaking]
610
00:41:37,928 --> 00:41:40,463
[speaking]
611
00:41:40,564 --> 00:41:44,434
[Randy] In the police reports, yes,
some were involved in prostitution,
612
00:41:44,535 --> 00:41:48,471
and were a homosexual
or hustlers or both.
613
00:41:49,139 --> 00:41:52,141
[speaking]
614
00:41:52,243 --> 00:41:53,610
[speaking]
615
00:41:53,711 --> 00:41:56,112
[speaking]
616
00:41:56,213 --> 00:41:57,947
[speaking]
617
00:41:58,048 --> 00:42:00,283
[speaking]
618
00:42:00,384 --> 00:42:03,052
[speaking]
619
00:42:03,153 --> 00:42:05,154
[speaking]
620
00:42:06,390 --> 00:42:08,491
[speaking]
621
00:42:10,127 --> 00:42:14,397
[speaking]
622
00:42:14,498 --> 00:42:17,166
[speaking]
623
00:42:18,435 --> 00:42:20,937
[speaking]
624
00:42:21,872 --> 00:42:25,008
[speaking]
625
00:42:25,843 --> 00:42:26,776
[speaking]
626
00:42:26,877 --> 00:42:29,145
[speaking]
627
00:42:30,614 --> 00:42:34,050
[speaking]
628
00:42:34,485 --> 00:42:36,986
[speaking]
629
00:42:42,860 --> 00:42:45,361
[narrator] Since first contacting
John Wayne Gacy in prison,
630
00:42:45,462 --> 00:42:48,231
Randy White has spent countless
hours on the phone with him,
631
00:42:48,332 --> 00:42:49,799
compiling articles,
632
00:42:49,900 --> 00:42:51,301
books and documents
633
00:42:51,402 --> 00:42:53,336
to help in Gacy's appeal.
634
00:42:53,437 --> 00:42:56,005
He even visits
the killer clown in prison.
635
00:42:59,076 --> 00:43:01,978
[Randy] It was Halloween, 1989,
636
00:43:02,079 --> 00:43:06,115
and I've made my first visit
with Casey at Menard.
637
00:43:06,216 --> 00:43:08,451
And I was getting
a little bit nervous
638
00:43:08,552 --> 00:43:12,755
because here I am seeing
a serial killer on death row.
639
00:43:12,856 --> 00:43:15,391
And I'm looking down the hall
while I'm signing in,
640
00:43:15,492 --> 00:43:16,793
and there he is.
641
00:43:16,894 --> 00:43:19,629
I'm thinking to myself,
"He looks like a wimp."
642
00:43:19,730 --> 00:43:22,065
And he was charming,
he was smiling.
643
00:43:22,166 --> 00:43:25,468
And we sat at a table just
as close as you and I are.
644
00:43:25,569 --> 00:43:30,073
All the time, like, I'm thinking,
"Did he kill these kids?
645
00:43:30,174 --> 00:43:33,109
How could somebody like that
kill all these kids?"
646
00:43:33,210 --> 00:43:34,677
He's like your
next door neighbor.
647
00:43:36,313 --> 00:43:37,814
[narrator] The longer they talk,
648
00:43:37,915 --> 00:43:41,384
and the deeper Randy digs into
the victims and the details of the case,
649
00:43:41,485 --> 00:43:43,286
the stronger his suspicion grows
650
00:43:43,387 --> 00:43:45,955
that there's more here
than meets the eye.
651
00:43:46,056 --> 00:43:47,890
[recorded voice] This callis subject to being recorded.
652
00:43:47,992 --> 00:43:49,058
Hang up to decline the call.
653
00:43:49,159 --> 00:43:50,793
To accept the call, dial three,
654
00:43:50,894 --> 00:43:53,730
or clearly say, "Yes,
I accept," at the tone.
655
00:43:53,831 --> 00:43:55,231
- [beep]
- [man] Yes, I accept.
656
00:43:56,667 --> 00:43:57,967
[Gacy speaking over phone]
657
00:44:05,409 --> 00:44:07,176
[narrator] Phillip Paskewas the young man
658
00:44:07,277 --> 00:44:11,147
who was helping John Norman
run his call-boy service for pedophiles
659
00:44:11,248 --> 00:44:14,183
the Delta Project
from the Cook County Jail.
660
00:44:14,284 --> 00:44:16,786
It's a name Gacy knows.
661
00:44:16,887 --> 00:44:19,922
Phillip Paske
works for John Wayne Gacy.
662
00:44:20,624 --> 00:44:23,693
So he knew about Paske.
663
00:44:23,794 --> 00:44:29,265
Gacy told me that he knew
the Paske worked for him,
664
00:44:29,366 --> 00:44:34,103
and Paske was a good friend of
David Cram, who also worked for Gacy.
665
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:38,808
[narrator] In early 1976,Paske was paroled,
666
00:44:38,909 --> 00:44:42,378
but continued to run Norman's
boys-for-rent newsletter.
667
00:44:42,479 --> 00:44:45,348
Norman was paroled in 1977,
668
00:44:45,449 --> 00:44:47,884
and they kept their
mail order sex business going
669
00:44:47,985 --> 00:44:50,319
until Norman was arrested again,
670
00:44:50,421 --> 00:44:54,791
this time for molesting
two foster care boys.
671
00:44:54,892 --> 00:44:58,961
That's when Paske
went to work for Gacy.
672
00:44:59,063 --> 00:45:04,033
And incredibly, Paske had a
key to John Wayne Gacy's house.
673
00:45:04,134 --> 00:45:07,503
Gacy handed out keys
to some of his employees
674
00:45:07,604 --> 00:45:11,641
and let them come and go while
he was out of the house working.
675
00:45:12,443 --> 00:45:13,676
[Gacy speaking over phone]
676
00:45:19,650 --> 00:45:20,583
[Randy] Mmm-hmm.
677
00:45:20,684 --> 00:45:21,517
[Gacy speaking over phone]
678
00:45:42,005 --> 00:45:46,042
I believe there was a connection
between John Norman and John Gacy
679
00:45:46,143 --> 00:45:50,179
through Phillip Paske, who was
Norman's right-hand man.
680
00:45:51,348 --> 00:45:53,049
[narrator] Gacy floats the idea
681
00:45:53,150 --> 00:45:57,053
this nationwide pedophile ring
could get him off death row.
682
00:45:58,155 --> 00:45:59,222
[Gacy speaking over phone]
683
00:46:04,862 --> 00:46:05,661
[Randy] Yeah.
684
00:46:05,763 --> 00:46:06,596
[Gacy speaking over phone]
685
00:46:10,234 --> 00:46:11,067
[Randy speaking]
686
00:46:11,168 --> 00:46:12,001
[Gacy speaking over phone]
687
00:46:14,838 --> 00:46:18,441
[narrator] That means finding the
ringleader of the sex trafficking network,
688
00:46:18,542 --> 00:46:21,177
Paske's buddy, John Norman.
689
00:46:23,046 --> 00:46:24,614
[Randy] I was tryingto track down Norman,
690
00:46:24,715 --> 00:46:27,550
just see what
I could get out of him
691
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:32,355
in terms of knowing Gacy
or mis-operations.
692
00:46:33,123 --> 00:46:34,056
[Gacy speaking over phone]
693
00:46:42,566 --> 00:46:43,499
[Randy speaking]
694
00:46:44,201 --> 00:46:45,101
[Gacy speaking over phone]
695
00:46:49,773 --> 00:46:53,643
[narrator] Randy writes to
Norman, and he responds right away,
696
00:46:53,744 --> 00:46:56,012
describing himself as a writer,
697
00:46:56,113 --> 00:46:59,949
former TV producer
and a school teacher.
698
00:47:00,050 --> 00:47:02,151
[Randy] I wrote himin such a way
699
00:47:02,252 --> 00:47:07,256
that he would think that I was
a follow person of his interests.
700
00:47:08,125 --> 00:47:09,725
My first letter with him.
701
00:47:09,827 --> 00:47:16,566
He was very detailed in stuff that
normally you wouldn't tell a stranger.
702
00:47:16,667 --> 00:47:19,735
[narrator] He brags that his
boys for red business in Dallas
703
00:47:19,837 --> 00:47:23,906
gave those young men a better
life than they've ever known.
704
00:47:24,007 --> 00:47:27,076
He admits to his relationship
with Phillip Paske in Chicago,
705
00:47:27,177 --> 00:47:29,045
and the Delta Project,
706
00:47:29,146 --> 00:47:34,250
the newsletter that launched the Chicago
Tribune expose on child pornography in America.
707
00:47:34,351 --> 00:47:37,053
"Yes, the Delta Project is mine."
708
00:47:37,187 --> 00:47:42,491
It's the operation Phil Paske and I
ran during the months I was out on bail.
709
00:47:42,593 --> 00:47:47,697
The program gave them access to
businessmen and others who could help them.
710
00:47:47,798 --> 00:47:51,734
"And if sex was part of the
deal, it was to their advantage."
711
00:47:53,437 --> 00:47:57,306
[narrator] In 1978, Paske
wasn't just working for Norman,
712
00:47:57,407 --> 00:47:59,041
he was living with him.
713
00:47:59,142 --> 00:48:02,578
But when Norman was busted
for molesting two foster kids,
714
00:48:02,679 --> 00:48:05,581
the Delta Project fizzled out.
715
00:48:05,682 --> 00:48:07,650
[Randy] Paske was thereat the time of the arrest.
716
00:48:07,751 --> 00:48:09,452
Even though he was on parole,
717
00:48:09,553 --> 00:48:13,422
he wasn't arrested
for some reason.
718
00:48:13,523 --> 00:48:16,826
Um, I could never find out why.
719
00:48:16,927 --> 00:48:18,561
[narrator] Shortlyafter that bust,
720
00:48:18,662 --> 00:48:23,799
Paske got the job working for
Gacy through his buddy, David Cram.
721
00:48:23,901 --> 00:48:28,905
So who's to say that Paske
wasn't using his crawl space
722
00:48:29,006 --> 00:48:33,576
as a dumping ground for young kids who
won't go along with Norman's operation,
723
00:48:33,677 --> 00:48:36,812
or want to get out
of Norman's operations?
724
00:48:38,015 --> 00:48:39,615
This is huge.
725
00:48:39,716 --> 00:48:43,419
How involved
was Norman with Gacy?
726
00:48:45,188 --> 00:48:46,455
Gacy was a bragger.
727
00:48:46,556 --> 00:48:48,591
He always wanted
to get others involved.
728
00:48:48,692 --> 00:48:49,926
He got me involved.
729
00:48:50,994 --> 00:48:52,995
Gacy couldn't
have done it alone,
730
00:48:53,096 --> 00:48:57,166
just like people like
Dean Corll and Norman.
731
00:48:57,968 --> 00:48:59,802
[narrator] Normanwas a big player
732
00:48:59,903 --> 00:49:02,805
running a giant pool of boys
across the country,
733
00:49:02,906 --> 00:49:05,474
and his network
had tentacles everywhere,
734
00:49:05,575 --> 00:49:09,111
including some of America's
most trusted institutions.
735
00:49:11,348 --> 00:49:13,516
Call it fate or serendipity,
736
00:49:13,617 --> 00:49:18,254
but a broken conveyor belt and
a roll of film exposed one of them.
737
00:49:20,958 --> 00:49:23,859
[Frank] August 23rd, 1976.
738
00:49:23,961 --> 00:49:25,995
We received a phone call
739
00:49:26,096 --> 00:49:30,866
from the regional manager of
Fotomat labs in Dallas, Texas.
740
00:49:30,968 --> 00:49:32,501
The conveyor belt broke down,
741
00:49:32,602 --> 00:49:35,838
and on the conveyor belt
was a series of photographs
742
00:49:35,973 --> 00:49:39,442
that had two adult males
having sex with a young boy.
743
00:49:39,543 --> 00:49:43,145
And he said it came from
Harry O Cramer in New Orleans.
744
00:49:43,246 --> 00:49:48,017
He said, "Are you all interested in
possibly investigating the situation?"
745
00:49:48,118 --> 00:49:51,320
And we said, "Absolutely,
Can you send it to us?"
746
00:49:51,421 --> 00:49:52,555
And that's how the case began.
747
00:49:54,124 --> 00:49:57,460
[Gus] We looked at the photosfor several days
748
00:49:57,561 --> 00:50:01,564
and there was
no identifying information.
749
00:50:01,665 --> 00:50:04,767
No address, the phone number
was disconnected.
750
00:50:04,868 --> 00:50:06,635
But while we were looking,
751
00:50:06,737 --> 00:50:10,006
the lieutenant
walked by and he said,
752
00:50:10,107 --> 00:50:14,276
"There's a Boys' Life magazine
on the coffee table.
753
00:50:14,378 --> 00:50:19,115
You can only get those if you're
Boy Scout, troop leader or member."
754
00:50:20,584 --> 00:50:24,387
We headed immediately over
to the Boy Scout office.
755
00:50:24,488 --> 00:50:26,322
[Frank] They completelystonewalled us.
756
00:50:26,423 --> 00:50:28,624
In fact, they came out
with one piece of paper
757
00:50:28,725 --> 00:50:31,060
and said, "This is all we have."
758
00:50:31,161 --> 00:50:33,329
[narrator] After monthsof DAGA detective work,
759
00:50:33,430 --> 00:50:35,297
they learned
the two men in the photos
760
00:50:35,399 --> 00:50:39,268
were both assistant
scoutmasters in Troop 137,
761
00:50:39,369 --> 00:50:43,773
38-year-old Raymond Woodall,
and 22-year-old Harry Cramer,
762
00:50:43,874 --> 00:50:47,109
the name
on the original film receipt.
763
00:50:47,210 --> 00:50:49,845
[Gus] Harry Cramer, he waskind of like a minor player.
764
00:50:49,946 --> 00:50:52,281
He just happened
to make a mistake
765
00:50:52,382 --> 00:50:53,949
by dropping that film roll.
766
00:50:54,051 --> 00:50:56,018
[Frank] Woodall,who in my opinion,
767
00:50:56,119 --> 00:51:01,090
was probably one of the most devious
and probably one of the smartest.
768
00:51:01,191 --> 00:51:03,059
[Gus] He was the organizer.
769
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:04,693
From talking to different kids,
770
00:51:04,795 --> 00:51:07,229
and we got names
of other individuals
771
00:51:07,330 --> 00:51:10,399
that weren't
Boy Scout leaders or members,
772
00:51:10,500 --> 00:51:14,070
but they were grown-ups
that would associate with them.
773
00:51:14,171 --> 00:51:19,375
[Frank] They had on index filethat was quite voluminous,
774
00:51:19,476 --> 00:51:23,679
hand-written, and it was
all of their contacts.
775
00:51:23,780 --> 00:51:27,416
They had literally business
file cabinets full of information,
776
00:51:27,517 --> 00:51:30,719
and they had this Rolodex
of index cards,
777
00:51:30,821 --> 00:51:32,755
recipe cards, if you would,
778
00:51:32,856 --> 00:51:35,224
that they had
with a lot of names on it.
779
00:51:35,325 --> 00:51:39,862
I mean, we literally had a room full of
evidence as a result of those searches.
780
00:51:40,797 --> 00:51:44,166
[narrator] Troop 137was a front.
781
00:51:44,267 --> 00:51:47,536
Their leaders recruited boys
from broken homes into the troop,
782
00:51:47,637 --> 00:51:50,072
and sent many of them
around the country
783
00:51:50,173 --> 00:51:52,875
for the pleasure of men
willing to pay for them.
784
00:51:54,211 --> 00:51:56,011
[Frank] I would call ita pedophile cell,
785
00:51:56,113 --> 00:51:58,914
they would infiltrate
organizations like Big Brothers,
786
00:51:59,015 --> 00:52:02,518
child welfare services,
police departments,
787
00:52:02,619 --> 00:52:04,153
who worked
their way into positions
788
00:52:04,254 --> 00:52:06,622
where they
had access to children.
789
00:52:06,723 --> 00:52:10,926
[Gus] They actually had,
like, a procedure, a guideline
790
00:52:11,027 --> 00:52:13,028
on what type of kid to look for,
791
00:52:13,130 --> 00:52:14,830
and what to do if this happens,
792
00:52:14,931 --> 00:52:16,665
what not to do if this happens.
793
00:52:18,168 --> 00:52:20,169
[narrator] One yearafter finding the photos
794
00:52:20,270 --> 00:52:22,805
of Woodall and Cramer
having sex with a young boy,
795
00:52:22,906 --> 00:52:25,441
they, along with
two other Scout leaders,
796
00:52:25,542 --> 00:52:28,144
were convicted
of setting up Troop 137
797
00:52:28,245 --> 00:52:31,180
for the purpose
of molesting boys.
798
00:52:31,281 --> 00:52:34,984
Woodall was handed a 75-year
sentence and died in prison.
799
00:52:35,085 --> 00:52:37,453
Cramer was given 45 years.
800
00:52:37,554 --> 00:52:41,257
This time, some of their
clients were also charged.
801
00:52:41,358 --> 00:52:44,360
Like 54-year-old millionaire
real estate broker,
802
00:52:44,461 --> 00:52:46,595
Hugh Scott Mellor of Boston.
803
00:52:46,696 --> 00:52:48,998
He was sentenced to 5 years.
804
00:52:49,099 --> 00:52:52,134
Forty-one-year-old
industrialist Richard Jacobs,
805
00:52:52,235 --> 00:52:55,070
a one-time part owner
of the New England Patriots,
806
00:52:55,172 --> 00:52:59,175
was charged with 15 counts of
aggravated crimes against nature,
807
00:52:59,276 --> 00:53:03,479
but posted bail and skipped
town before facing trial.
808
00:53:03,580 --> 00:53:05,581
Jacobs was never found.
809
00:53:05,682 --> 00:53:08,050
It wasn't only these people.
810
00:53:08,151 --> 00:53:10,819
It was numerous other people.
811
00:53:11,755 --> 00:53:12,855
[narrator] Woodall admits
812
00:53:12,956 --> 00:53:15,758
that top politicians
from around the US
813
00:53:15,859 --> 00:53:18,027
were some of
the Troops' customers.
814
00:53:19,629 --> 00:53:21,363
Not only national,
but it was international.
815
00:53:21,464 --> 00:53:26,902
I mean, we had pedophiles that
we identified in Bermuda, in the UK,
816
00:53:27,003 --> 00:53:29,004
- in Australia...
- [man] Germany.
817
00:53:29,105 --> 00:53:32,675
Germany, uh, Czechoslovakia.
818
00:53:32,776 --> 00:53:35,177
[narrator] And Woodall's namewas found in none other
819
00:53:35,278 --> 00:53:37,580
than John Norman's address book.
820
00:53:38,949 --> 00:53:42,051
They had a much wider network
821
00:53:42,152 --> 00:53:47,423
and I think John Norman was looking
at this is as an example and said,
822
00:53:47,524 --> 00:53:48,757
"Hey, I can do this."
823
00:53:48,858 --> 00:53:50,192
Mm-hmm.
824
00:53:50,293 --> 00:53:52,995
There were definitely
some characteristics
825
00:53:53,096 --> 00:53:55,598
that pedophile cells have in
common with terrorist cells.
826
00:53:55,699 --> 00:53:57,299
The violence might be different,
827
00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:00,469
but in terms of being
like a sleeper cell,
828
00:54:00,570 --> 00:54:03,973
where they're there and the
general public doesn't know about it,
829
00:54:04,074 --> 00:54:06,308
I think it's probably
an apt comparison.
830
00:54:07,978 --> 00:54:11,247
[Jerome] The Boy Scouts was a very
good hunting ground for these pedophiles.
831
00:54:11,348 --> 00:54:13,249
I mean, it just provides
that cover.
832
00:54:13,350 --> 00:54:16,452
It also helps them
gather prey in one area,
833
00:54:16,553 --> 00:54:19,088
and they can just pick and
choose among they want.
834
00:54:19,189 --> 00:54:21,790
[narrator] Jerome Elamof Florida isn't just
835
00:54:21,891 --> 00:54:24,159
an observer
of the pedophile ring.
836
00:54:24,261 --> 00:54:28,530
I was sexually exploited by a
pedophile ring from age five to age 12.
837
00:54:34,037 --> 00:54:35,004
[narrator] In these series,
838
00:54:35,105 --> 00:54:37,106
most of the victims
of sex trafficking
839
00:54:37,207 --> 00:54:41,610
have been photos of young men
or names in police and news reports.
840
00:54:41,711 --> 00:54:46,415
Jerome Elam of Florida was a
victim of one of these pedophile rings,
841
00:54:46,516 --> 00:54:51,920
abused and trafficked by his
own family from the age of five.
842
00:54:52,022 --> 00:54:54,790
[Jerome] My mother was
an alcoholic, pregnant at 17,
843
00:54:54,891 --> 00:54:56,458
my parents divorced
844
00:54:56,559 --> 00:54:59,695
and my mother's alcoholism
just spiraled out of control.
845
00:54:59,796 --> 00:55:02,698
She began to date
a series of dirt bags
846
00:55:02,799 --> 00:55:05,968
until one day she brought home a
man we thought would change our lives.
847
00:55:06,069 --> 00:55:11,907
Uh, but this individual, after about
six months, begin to molest me.
848
00:55:12,008 --> 00:55:14,443
He used me to do child pornography,
and then began to track me
849
00:55:14,544 --> 00:55:16,845
through the pedophile ring
he belonged to.
850
00:55:20,050 --> 00:55:21,750
First time
that I was actually sold
851
00:55:21,851 --> 00:55:24,119
was at a truck stop
in a truck stop bathroom,
852
00:55:24,220 --> 00:55:26,955
so I was sold to five individuals,
including it, one woman.
853
00:55:28,625 --> 00:55:30,125
They would come
and just rape me.
854
00:55:30,226 --> 00:55:31,927
[lights fluctuating]
855
00:55:32,028 --> 00:55:34,363
When it's your first time,
you're just rolling,
856
00:55:34,464 --> 00:55:36,999
that gear to deal
with what's going on.
857
00:55:39,035 --> 00:55:41,337
They use drugs, cocaine
in my case,
858
00:55:41,438 --> 00:55:43,472
you know, Quaaludes
back in the '70s,
859
00:55:43,573 --> 00:55:46,175
alcohol to make you
more compliant.
860
00:55:46,276 --> 00:55:50,079
And these individuals essentially
pay to do whatever they want.
861
00:55:50,180 --> 00:55:55,784
And there are just these depths of
the pravity that exists in that dark world.
862
00:55:57,687 --> 00:56:01,023
It's just really like
looking into the abyss.
863
00:56:01,124 --> 00:56:04,393
The traffickers would
come in and slap you around
864
00:56:04,494 --> 00:56:06,595
and really just make you
compliant with what's going on.
865
00:56:08,098 --> 00:56:09,932
You know, that was part of
the training process
866
00:56:10,033 --> 00:56:12,067
where they kind of, you know,
they kind of got you to a point
867
00:56:12,168 --> 00:56:15,704
where you are just the object
where they would just kind of come in.
868
00:56:15,805 --> 00:56:18,407
And you are a robot
to do what they want.
869
00:56:18,508 --> 00:56:21,844
If a child lost their life, they
would just move on to another one.
870
00:56:22,946 --> 00:56:25,748
As a child,
I was desperate for affection,
871
00:56:25,849 --> 00:56:28,350
like a drowning
man's desperate for oxygen.
872
00:56:28,451 --> 00:56:30,085
So, part of the grooming process
873
00:56:30,186 --> 00:56:32,221
is that when someone comes along
874
00:56:32,322 --> 00:56:36,759
and pays attention to you,
um, you're immediately hooked.
875
00:56:36,860 --> 00:56:41,997
I mean, these were kids
who have been ground down.
876
00:56:43,533 --> 00:56:45,401
[recording playing]
877
00:57:13,997 --> 00:57:16,064
[Jerome] You look at John
Wayne Gacy and Norman and
878
00:57:16,166 --> 00:57:18,801
Dean Corll, I mean, they
were like kids in a candy shop,
879
00:57:18,902 --> 00:57:22,604
because they just saw opportunity
everywhere they looked in the '70s.
880
00:57:22,705 --> 00:57:24,106
When they chose a victim,
881
00:57:24,207 --> 00:57:26,775
they knew that victim
was theirs to keep.
882
00:57:26,876 --> 00:57:29,211
They could trap them
in this emotional
883
00:57:29,312 --> 00:57:31,313
psychological quicksand
they couldn't escape.
884
00:57:35,318 --> 00:57:37,920
[narrator] When he wasarrested in 1978,
885
00:57:38,021 --> 00:57:40,389
Gacy told the police
in great detail
886
00:57:40,490 --> 00:57:43,392
how he picked up
and murdered his victims.
887
00:57:43,493 --> 00:57:47,329
But by the time he started talking
to Randy White a decade later,
888
00:57:47,430 --> 00:57:49,598
his story changed dramatically.
889
00:57:50,567 --> 00:57:53,502
[recording playing]
890
00:58:18,261 --> 00:58:20,662
[narrator] Since his arrest,Casey has turned down
891
00:58:20,763 --> 00:58:25,968
every request for an interview from
Truman Capote to Oprah Winfrey.
892
00:58:26,069 --> 00:58:30,305
Finally, in May of 1992, armed
with the information Randy dug up,
893
00:58:30,406 --> 00:58:34,676
he was ready to tell the world a
different story and get off death row.
894
00:58:34,777 --> 00:58:38,380
And he knows exactly
who he wants to talk to.
895
00:58:38,481 --> 00:58:40,415
Currency and our businesses
is the scope.
896
00:58:40,483 --> 00:58:44,720
I, like every other person
was not only interested in Gacy,
897
00:58:44,821 --> 00:58:47,823
but interested in beating
each other to get Gacy
898
00:58:47,924 --> 00:58:49,691
and I started to write letters.
899
00:58:49,792 --> 00:58:51,393
I wrote him a letter a week.
900
00:58:51,494 --> 00:58:55,898
I called Menard State Prison,
where he was on death row,
901
00:58:55,999 --> 00:58:57,699
and ask to speak to him.
902
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:00,102
This went on
for more than a year.
903
00:59:01,504 --> 00:59:04,273
[recording playing]
904
00:59:16,486 --> 00:59:18,387
[machine whirring, gate opening]
905
00:59:18,488 --> 00:59:21,557
[Walter] I wasn't surewhat I wanted to get from him
906
00:59:22,792 --> 00:59:26,495
because anything he said,
was going to make news.
907
00:59:27,564 --> 00:59:29,364
He said.
"What do you want to know?"
908
00:59:29,465 --> 00:59:30,532
"Whatever you want to tell me."
909
00:59:31,467 --> 00:59:32,834
[narrator]
Despite his confessions,
910
00:59:32,936 --> 00:59:36,605
Gacy now claims
he didn't kill 33 boys
911
00:59:36,706 --> 00:59:40,509
and paints himself as the
misunderstood victim of circumstance.
912
00:59:40,610 --> 00:59:42,744
He starts
with smearing the victims.
913
00:59:42,845 --> 00:59:43,879
[Gacy] And what we didwith each one,
914
00:59:43,980 --> 00:59:46,014
we did profile sheets on them...
915
00:59:46,115 --> 00:59:49,851
We wanted to know what the kid
was into, what his background was
916
00:59:49,953 --> 00:59:53,722
when they paint the image
that I was this monster who...
917
00:59:53,823 --> 00:59:56,124
who picked up like these
altar boys along the street
918
00:59:56,225 --> 00:59:59,061
and swatted 'em like flies,
this is ludicrous.
919
00:59:59,162 --> 01:00:01,229
He really believes it.
920
01:00:01,331 --> 01:00:05,367
He said the only thing I could
be arrested and convicted for
921
01:00:05,468 --> 01:00:10,005
was running a cemetery
at my house.
922
01:00:10,106 --> 01:00:14,109
[narrator] His house did double as
headquarters for his construction company
923
01:00:14,210 --> 01:00:17,112
and a flophouse
for some of his employees.
924
01:00:17,213 --> 01:00:18,513
According to Gacy,
925
01:00:18,615 --> 01:00:21,083
they could have buried
the bodies in the crawl space
926
01:00:21,184 --> 01:00:22,451
while he was out of town.
927
01:00:23,686 --> 01:00:27,923
Michael Rossi, David Cram
and Phillip Paske, all employees
928
01:00:28,024 --> 01:00:32,260
of PDM contractors, all with
keys to the house on Summerdale.
929
01:00:32,362 --> 01:00:35,864
[Walter] He tried to trap meinto giving him a space
930
01:00:35,965 --> 01:00:38,900
to talk to the world
about what he didn't do
931
01:00:39,002 --> 01:00:41,603
and in five minutes he
was telling me how he did it.
932
01:00:42,939 --> 01:00:45,407
Shoelace. You're in trouble now.
933
01:00:45,508 --> 01:00:49,077
[Walter] He asked my cameramanto give him a piece of string,
934
01:00:49,178 --> 01:00:51,680
and a cameraman undid his shoes,
935
01:00:51,781 --> 01:00:53,915
took a lace out,
handed it to him,
936
01:00:54,017 --> 01:00:56,685
and Gacy started
to wrap it around his wrist.
937
01:00:56,786 --> 01:00:59,721
The only thing I ever learned
from Boy Scouts is a tourniquet knot.
938
01:00:59,822 --> 01:01:01,823
It's hard trying to do this.
939
01:01:01,924 --> 01:01:06,161
And he couldn't get it around because
he had one hand being wrapped
940
01:01:06,262 --> 01:01:08,630
and he couldn't tie
a knot with the other hand.
941
01:01:08,731 --> 01:01:11,033
So he asked me
to give him my arm...
942
01:01:12,835 --> 01:01:14,236
[Gacy] Knot in it.
943
01:01:14,337 --> 01:01:15,771
Then you put
a second knot in it.
944
01:01:16,673 --> 01:01:17,973
Okay?
945
01:01:18,074 --> 01:01:20,075
Then you take a stick
and stick it in here,
946
01:01:20,176 --> 01:01:22,310
and you just turn this
947
01:01:22,412 --> 01:01:23,979
and it causes an tourniquet.
948
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:26,682
[male voice] Precisely the
kind of knot found on the ropes
949
01:01:26,783 --> 01:01:28,917
wrapped around the necks
of the victims
950
01:01:29,018 --> 01:01:31,119
found under the house
on Summerdale.
951
01:01:31,220 --> 01:01:34,189
He did think that he could
talk himself out of it,
952
01:01:34,290 --> 01:01:36,358
that he could get this
decision reversed,
953
01:01:36,459 --> 01:01:37,793
that he wouldn't have to die.
954
01:01:39,062 --> 01:01:40,562
[recording playing]
955
01:01:56,345 --> 01:01:58,847
[narrator] Gacy's attemptto rewrite history fails.
956
01:01:58,948 --> 01:02:04,486
The execution date is set for the
10th of May, 26 years to the day
957
01:02:04,587 --> 01:02:08,190
after his first arrest
for sodomy in Waterloo, Iowa.
958
01:02:09,192 --> 01:02:12,828
Before my mother died,
I remember her saying,
959
01:02:12,929 --> 01:02:17,499
I want to be here the day
that they put him to death.
960
01:02:17,567 --> 01:02:19,835
I want to push the button.
961
01:02:19,936 --> 01:02:21,703
[narrator] Eugenia Godzik'sbrother, Greg,
962
01:02:21,804 --> 01:02:25,607
worked for Gacy and was
murdered by him in 1976.
963
01:02:27,310 --> 01:02:30,178
[Walter] Gacy was flownby helicopter
964
01:02:30,279 --> 01:02:33,515
up to the state penitentiary
in Joliet.
965
01:02:33,616 --> 01:02:36,351
[Eugenia] My husband and Iwent to the prison.
966
01:02:36,452 --> 01:02:38,553
It's unbelievable.
967
01:02:38,654 --> 01:02:43,158
It's a huge, a huge building,
very ornate.
968
01:02:44,026 --> 01:02:46,061
But it's kind of creepy.
969
01:02:46,162 --> 01:02:49,865
When you walk in,
you're like, "Oh, God."
970
01:02:49,966 --> 01:02:55,570
I thought we were going to be
able to see when they were injecting
971
01:02:55,671 --> 01:02:58,673
whatever solution they use
and they said, "Oh, you can't go."
972
01:02:58,775 --> 01:03:00,842
And I said, "What?"
973
01:03:00,943 --> 01:03:04,146
I said, "I'm doing this for my
mom and I can't be in there?"
974
01:03:04,247 --> 01:03:08,316
They said, "No." The media
could be there, but we could not.
975
01:03:09,685 --> 01:03:12,487
[narrator] Just after midnight,
Gacy, "the killer clown"
976
01:03:12,588 --> 01:03:14,890
was put to death
by lethal injection.
977
01:03:15,825 --> 01:03:17,826
We're sitting there
and you're waiting
978
01:03:17,927 --> 01:03:20,128
and then all of a sudden,
the phone rings.
979
01:03:20,229 --> 01:03:21,429
It's like the Batman phone
980
01:03:21,531 --> 01:03:23,565
and they pick it up
and they go...
981
01:03:23,666 --> 01:03:26,067
[in soft voice]
"He has now passed."
982
01:03:26,169 --> 01:03:28,136
[in normal voice]
And I go, "That's it?"
983
01:03:28,237 --> 01:03:30,539
C'est la vie, it's over.
984
01:03:33,142 --> 01:03:35,243
[narrator] Gacy showedno remorse.
985
01:03:35,344 --> 01:03:37,646
And took to his grave
clues to the identity
986
01:03:37,747 --> 01:03:41,116
of his last nameless victims
and their possible connection
987
01:03:41,217 --> 01:03:43,785
to John Norman, Dean Corll
988
01:03:43,886 --> 01:03:45,987
and the national pedophile ring.
989
01:03:48,391 --> 01:03:49,791
When they executed him...
990
01:03:49,892 --> 01:03:51,293
I hate to see anybody executed,
991
01:03:51,394 --> 01:03:53,929
but I didn't shed a tear.
992
01:03:56,265 --> 01:03:57,465
No.
993
01:03:58,301 --> 01:04:00,302
Sad to say it like,
994
01:04:00,403 --> 01:04:04,940
but it's hard to have any
feeling for somebody like that.
995
01:04:16,018 --> 01:04:19,254
[narrator] Today, thanksto DNA technology,
996
01:04:19,355 --> 01:04:21,990
Lieutenant Jason Moran of
Cook County's Cold Case unit,
997
01:04:22,091 --> 01:04:24,125
is optimistic he may be able
998
01:04:24,227 --> 01:04:27,762
to give two more of Gacy's
victims back their names.
999
01:04:27,864 --> 01:04:30,465
[Jason Moran] I've been
assigned to identify these victims.
1000
01:04:30,566 --> 01:04:33,702
When I accomplish
the task I've been given,
1001
01:04:33,803 --> 01:04:35,537
it causes pain.
1002
01:04:36,305 --> 01:04:38,607
It's very hard to hear
1003
01:04:38,708 --> 01:04:40,709
that your loved one was
1004
01:04:40,810 --> 01:04:43,111
raped and murdered
by an evil serial killer.
1005
01:04:43,212 --> 01:04:45,914
The thing that I've learned
over the years
1006
01:04:46,015 --> 01:04:48,250
is that not knowing
1007
01:04:48,351 --> 01:04:51,987
is worse than knowing
for the families.
1008
01:04:52,088 --> 01:04:54,256
Victim number 28, he was buried
1009
01:04:54,357 --> 01:04:56,124
in Gacy's backyard,
1010
01:04:56,225 --> 01:04:58,760
underneath a barbecue pit.
1011
01:04:59,428 --> 01:05:01,296
He was the last victim found
1012
01:05:02,298 --> 01:05:03,732
in March of 1979,
1013
01:05:03,833 --> 01:05:06,534
when they were destroying
Gacy's house.
1014
01:05:08,871 --> 01:05:11,172
A... A family member
recently called.
1015
01:05:11,274 --> 01:05:14,342
She had a missing half-brother.
1016
01:05:14,443 --> 01:05:16,978
Their in common mother was
a bit of a rolling stone...
1017
01:05:18,281 --> 01:05:22,117
...and had multiple husbands
and boyfriends.
1018
01:05:22,218 --> 01:05:24,653
Also reported of him
being homosexual.
1019
01:05:24,754 --> 01:05:26,855
The circumstances
1020
01:05:26,956 --> 01:05:28,390
surrounding his disappearance...
1021
01:05:28,491 --> 01:05:32,160
Last seen getting in a car with
an unknown older male white,
1022
01:05:32,261 --> 01:05:34,562
fits quite perfectly
1023
01:05:34,664 --> 01:05:36,564
with what we know about how
1024
01:05:36,666 --> 01:05:38,700
Gacy acquired his victims.
1025
01:05:38,801 --> 01:05:42,037
So, I collected a DNA sample,
1026
01:05:42,138 --> 01:05:43,939
uh, submitted it to the lab.
1027
01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:46,474
[narrator] The tests don't
confirm a match between the sister
1028
01:05:46,575 --> 01:05:48,510
and victim number 28,
1029
01:05:48,611 --> 01:05:51,947
but the results show
it's a possibility.
1030
01:05:52,048 --> 01:05:55,450
[Moran] Victim number 28cannot be excluded
1031
01:05:56,319 --> 01:06:00,522
as a biological relative
of this woman.
1032
01:06:00,623 --> 01:06:02,958
So, what that means is I
have to do additional work.
1033
01:06:03,793 --> 01:06:05,627
I have to find other relatives
1034
01:06:05,728 --> 01:06:08,129
and collect additional samples,
1035
01:06:08,230 --> 01:06:10,465
and the lab will look at him,
and they'll start seeing
1036
01:06:10,566 --> 01:06:13,702
if there's more
genetic associations
1037
01:06:13,803 --> 01:06:16,671
between relatives
of this missing boy
1038
01:06:16,772 --> 01:06:18,606
and victim number 28.
1039
01:06:18,708 --> 01:06:20,575
[narrator] To identifyearlier victims,
1040
01:06:20,676 --> 01:06:22,210
Lieutenant Moran took DNA
1041
01:06:22,311 --> 01:06:24,879
from family members
of missing persons
1042
01:06:24,981 --> 01:06:27,549
and compared it
with the DNA of the bodies.
1043
01:06:27,650 --> 01:06:29,384
If no family member
1044
01:06:29,485 --> 01:06:30,552
provided a sample,
1045
01:06:30,653 --> 01:06:33,254
the victim
couldn't be identified.
1046
01:06:33,356 --> 01:06:35,290
A new method has come to light,
1047
01:06:35,391 --> 01:06:37,359
and that's forensic genealogy.
1048
01:06:37,460 --> 01:06:42,030
The forensic genealogy
hopefully will lead me to a family,
1049
01:06:42,131 --> 01:06:46,201
as opposed to
a family reaching out for me.
1050
01:06:46,302 --> 01:06:49,437
[narrator] Lieutenant Moran has
turned to Dr. Colleen Fitzpatrick,
1051
01:06:49,538 --> 01:06:50,572
considered the founder
1052
01:06:50,673 --> 01:06:53,108
of modern forensic genealogy.
1053
01:06:53,209 --> 01:06:54,275
Forensic genealogy
1054
01:06:54,377 --> 01:06:55,910
in an informal sense,
1055
01:06:56,012 --> 01:06:58,880
you can say
it's CSI meets Roots.
1056
01:06:58,981 --> 01:07:01,783
What they do,
is they take your DNA
1057
01:07:01,884 --> 01:07:04,319
and they put it
in a big supercomputer
1058
01:07:04,420 --> 01:07:09,524
and they compare it to everyone
else's DNA in their database.
1059
01:07:09,625 --> 01:07:13,495
So that if me and another
person share ten percent
1060
01:07:13,596 --> 01:07:15,930
of our DNA with each other,
1061
01:07:16,032 --> 01:07:18,933
we know we're in the range
of first cousins.
1062
01:07:19,035 --> 01:07:21,736
[Moran] And that's whenit starts to get interesting.
1063
01:07:21,837 --> 01:07:22,937
And we could say that
1064
01:07:23,773 --> 01:07:25,473
this victim
1065
01:07:25,574 --> 01:07:28,410
is related in some way
to this individual
1066
01:07:28,511 --> 01:07:30,245
in the genealogy database.
1067
01:07:30,346 --> 01:07:32,013
How are they related?
1068
01:07:32,114 --> 01:07:34,015
Who are their
in common relatives?
1069
01:07:34,116 --> 01:07:36,584
And out of any of those
in common relatives,
1070
01:07:36,685 --> 01:07:37,886
are any of 'em missing?
1071
01:07:37,987 --> 01:07:41,656
And that's where the
conventional detective work starts.
1072
01:07:41,757 --> 01:07:44,426
The phone calls,
the in-person meetings.
1073
01:07:44,527 --> 01:07:46,494
Who was this relative?
1074
01:07:46,595 --> 01:07:50,098
[narrator] Dr. Fitzpatrick has
solved cold cases across the country
1075
01:07:50,199 --> 01:07:52,901
by piecing together
genetic fingerprints.
1076
01:07:53,002 --> 01:07:55,136
Some, faded with time.
1077
01:07:55,237 --> 01:07:56,738
[Fitzpatrick] We foundright at the beginning,
1078
01:07:56,839 --> 01:07:59,474
we'd be working
with highly degraded DNA
1079
01:07:59,575 --> 01:08:01,509
and very low level DNA,
1080
01:08:01,610 --> 01:08:04,045
so that has developed
as our expertise
1081
01:08:04,146 --> 01:08:05,880
as we've gotten
better and better at it,
1082
01:08:05,981 --> 01:08:08,716
and we made the first
successful identification,
1083
01:08:08,851 --> 01:08:11,986
Buckskin Girl, in March of 2018,
1084
01:08:12,088 --> 01:08:14,255
and that was several weeks
before the Golden State Killer
1085
01:08:14,356 --> 01:08:17,258
was identified using
the same method.
1086
01:08:17,359 --> 01:08:19,727
[narrator] Gacy's lastunidentified victims
1087
01:08:19,829 --> 01:08:21,863
could be the hardest yet.
1088
01:08:21,964 --> 01:08:25,633
[Moran] Gacy's victimswere buried in a crawl space,
1089
01:08:25,734 --> 01:08:27,235
where they slowly degraded.
1090
01:08:27,336 --> 01:08:30,305
Gacy would put lime and acid
1091
01:08:30,406 --> 01:08:32,307
on the graves
1092
01:08:32,408 --> 01:08:36,478
to hasten decomposition
and to counteract the odor.
1093
01:08:36,579 --> 01:08:38,680
These chemicals don't help.
1094
01:08:38,781 --> 01:08:41,549
Then, the remains are removed
to the medical examiner's office
1095
01:08:41,650 --> 01:08:44,752
and then cleaned
through a chemical process,
1096
01:08:44,854 --> 01:08:47,989
and then, they were
buried in a grave
1097
01:08:48,090 --> 01:08:50,592
that has a lot
of water, bacteria.
1098
01:08:50,693 --> 01:08:53,161
All these things are not
helpful to the DNA re...
1099
01:08:53,262 --> 01:08:55,530
Required for forensic genealogy.
1100
01:08:55,631 --> 01:08:56,931
So, all we could do is try.
1101
01:08:57,967 --> 01:09:02,069
So, Doc, I was looking
at victim number five has
1102
01:09:02,138 --> 01:09:05,240
the most usable DNA,
1103
01:09:05,341 --> 01:09:07,876
um, and I was wondering
what you thought about
1104
01:09:07,977 --> 01:09:10,411
perhaps using
1105
01:09:10,513 --> 01:09:13,748
this victim as our first one
1106
01:09:13,849 --> 01:09:14,916
for the genealogy work.
1107
01:09:15,017 --> 01:09:16,451
You know, we know
very little about 'em,
1108
01:09:16,552 --> 01:09:20,788
because his body was markedly
decomposed, nearly skeletal.
1109
01:09:20,890 --> 01:09:23,057
He's estimated being in his 20s.
1110
01:09:23,159 --> 01:09:24,259
Like all the Gacy victims,
1111
01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:25,894
they identified Gacy victims.
1112
01:09:25,995 --> 01:09:27,829
Average height.
1113
01:09:27,930 --> 01:09:31,799
So, this individual potentially
could be mixed race.
1114
01:09:31,901 --> 01:09:34,469
Between white or Caucasian.
1115
01:09:34,570 --> 01:09:36,104
An American Indian.
1116
01:09:36,205 --> 01:09:37,972
Okay, that's interesting.
1117
01:09:38,073 --> 01:09:39,240
Is he suspected
1118
01:09:39,341 --> 01:09:41,476
of being a local, local boy?
1119
01:09:41,577 --> 01:09:42,710
We don't know.
1120
01:09:42,811 --> 01:09:45,246
All we know is that the
majority of Gacy's victims,
1121
01:09:45,347 --> 01:09:47,649
- they were local to the Chicago area.
- Mmm-hmm. Right.
1122
01:09:47,750 --> 01:09:48,917
There was out-of-state victims
1123
01:09:49,018 --> 01:09:50,985
and this, uh...
1124
01:09:51,086 --> 01:09:53,388
- This victim really could have been from anywhere.
- [smacks lips]
1125
01:09:53,489 --> 01:09:55,223
This is very promising.
1126
01:09:55,357 --> 01:09:58,059
I think that we really
have a good shot at it.
1127
01:09:58,160 --> 01:09:59,427
The DNA looks good.
1128
01:09:59,528 --> 01:10:00,728
It may take a while.
1129
01:10:00,829 --> 01:10:04,699
This is not something
necessarily you can do overnight.
1130
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:08,803
There's right now about 30
million people in those databases.
1131
01:10:08,904 --> 01:10:13,374
Case number five, the one with the
most DNA, has below a nanogram,
1132
01:10:13,475 --> 01:10:15,510
and let's hope there's not
a whole lot of bacteria.
1133
01:10:18,981 --> 01:10:21,115
[narrator] A thousand
miles away in Texas,
1134
01:10:21,217 --> 01:10:22,984
Dr. Fitzpatrick is also helping
1135
01:10:23,085 --> 01:10:25,119
to identify the victim known
1136
01:10:25,221 --> 01:10:26,754
as Swimsuit Boy.
1137
01:10:28,324 --> 01:10:29,724
[Fitzpatrick] You know,we'd really like to
1138
01:10:29,825 --> 01:10:31,893
be able to identify
the last remaining victim
1139
01:10:31,994 --> 01:10:33,161
of Dean Corll.
1140
01:10:33,262 --> 01:10:34,963
That's been kind of
a special case to me
1141
01:10:35,064 --> 01:10:36,264
for a long time.
1142
01:10:37,733 --> 01:10:39,934
The remains of the boy
was sent to
1143
01:10:40,035 --> 01:10:42,604
the International Commission
on Missing Persons,
1144
01:10:42,705 --> 01:10:45,440
who did the bone
extraction in The Hague,
1145
01:10:45,541 --> 01:10:49,544
and we are now just getting
the DNA into the lab.
1146
01:10:49,645 --> 01:10:52,447
[Sharon Derrick] I do believe
that it's a race against the clock
1147
01:10:52,548 --> 01:10:54,215
to get this boy identified.
1148
01:10:54,316 --> 01:10:58,486
I'm really hoping
that this new methodology
1149
01:10:58,587 --> 01:11:02,557
with the forensic genealogist
will bear fruit.
1150
01:11:03,892 --> 01:11:05,660
[narrator] While she waitsfor science,
1151
01:11:05,761 --> 01:11:09,163
Dr. Derrick wonders if this
one distinctive piece of clothing
1152
01:11:09,265 --> 01:11:12,267
found on his body
will jog someone's memory.
1153
01:11:13,135 --> 01:11:14,302
[Derrick] He had with him
1154
01:11:14,403 --> 01:11:17,338
a T-shirt,
that on the back of it,
1155
01:11:17,439 --> 01:11:19,440
it had this decal
1156
01:11:19,541 --> 01:11:21,442
that had a peace sign
1157
01:11:21,543 --> 01:11:24,445
over a United States flag,
1158
01:11:24,546 --> 01:11:26,447
and then down underneath that
1159
01:11:26,548 --> 01:11:30,151
in handwriting, somebody wrote
with an indelible marker,
1160
01:11:30,252 --> 01:11:33,688
"L84MF."
1161
01:11:33,789 --> 01:11:35,490
Late for my funeral,
1162
01:11:35,591 --> 01:11:37,558
which is sort of
a military slang,
1163
01:11:37,626 --> 01:11:39,894
and so we're wondering if maybe
1164
01:11:39,995 --> 01:11:43,298
he had a family member,
a father, an uncle,
1165
01:11:43,399 --> 01:11:46,000
an older brother
who may have been serving
1166
01:11:46,101 --> 01:11:48,369
or had served
in the Vietnam War.
1167
01:11:48,470 --> 01:11:51,539
[narrator] She visits Corll'stwo accomplices in prison.
1168
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:53,841
David Brooks
and Elmer Wayne Henley
1169
01:11:53,942 --> 01:11:55,810
helped Corll abduct, murder
1170
01:11:55,911 --> 01:11:58,212
and bury his 29 victims.
1171
01:11:58,314 --> 01:12:01,549
According to Brooks
and Henley, Dean Corll
1172
01:12:01,650 --> 01:12:04,085
did kill other people,
1173
01:12:04,186 --> 01:12:07,188
Uh, and that he was
secretive about that,
1174
01:12:07,289 --> 01:12:08,790
and that there were
many times...
1175
01:12:08,891 --> 01:12:09,924
Especially Henley
1176
01:12:10,025 --> 01:12:11,059
recalled this.
1177
01:12:11,160 --> 01:12:12,794
There were many times
that he went out
1178
01:12:12,895 --> 01:12:15,930
by himself... Both Henley
1179
01:12:16,031 --> 01:12:19,267
and Brooks told me
they felt that
1180
01:12:19,368 --> 01:12:22,904
Dean was running some kind
of pornographic ring.
1181
01:12:23,005 --> 01:12:27,008
At least Dean told them he was
1182
01:12:27,109 --> 01:12:30,078
and he said
that some of these boys
1183
01:12:30,179 --> 01:12:31,612
thought they were gonna
go out to Hollywood
1184
01:12:31,714 --> 01:12:34,215
and be stars,
that he had agents for them
1185
01:12:34,316 --> 01:12:35,717
out in California.
1186
01:12:36,685 --> 01:12:39,053
[narrator] Is that whatthese photos are?
1187
01:12:39,188 --> 01:12:41,422
Photos sent to her anonymously
1188
01:12:41,523 --> 01:12:44,258
by someone claiming
this boy named Bobby French
1189
01:12:44,360 --> 01:12:46,127
was Corll's last victim.
1190
01:12:50,332 --> 01:12:52,100
It is hard to look
at those pictures,
1191
01:12:52,201 --> 01:12:54,001
thinking he may have
been tortured
1192
01:12:54,103 --> 01:12:55,603
and killed right afterwards.
1193
01:12:55,704 --> 01:12:58,239
It's very hard.
He looks like a nice boy.
1194
01:12:58,340 --> 01:12:59,907
However, it's also hard,
1195
01:13:00,008 --> 01:13:03,077
because the pictures
are somewhat suggestive,
1196
01:13:03,178 --> 01:13:06,247
and I don't know if he was
being used for something.
1197
01:13:08,917 --> 01:13:10,985
[narrator] Poses, typicalof the boys
1198
01:13:11,086 --> 01:13:12,453
found in the pedophile catalogs
1199
01:13:12,554 --> 01:13:17,258
of John David Norman
in Texas in 1973.
1200
01:13:17,359 --> 01:13:19,994
[Derrick] John Normanhad a business
1201
01:13:20,095 --> 01:13:23,631
and he had his catalogs
and he had photos
1202
01:13:23,732 --> 01:13:28,770
and he was sort of like
a modeling agency in a way.
1203
01:13:28,871 --> 01:13:33,508
So, I would not be surprised
if the photos of Bobby French
1204
01:13:33,609 --> 01:13:38,246
might not have been sort of,
uh, head-shots in a way,
1205
01:13:38,347 --> 01:13:41,115
and if John Norman had
connections with Corll,
1206
01:13:41,216 --> 01:13:43,017
I wouldn't be surprised.
1207
01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:47,522
[narrator] Is Bobby
French Swimsuit boy?
1208
01:13:47,623 --> 01:13:51,325
And was he one of
Norman's roster of boys?
1209
01:13:51,427 --> 01:13:55,096
The answers may lie
back in Dallas in 1973.
1210
01:14:00,502 --> 01:14:03,070
At the time of the raid
on Norman's apartment,
1211
01:14:03,172 --> 01:14:05,373
Dean Corll's victims
were being unearthed
1212
01:14:05,474 --> 01:14:08,709
240 miles south in Houston.
1213
01:14:08,811 --> 01:14:11,245
According to former
detective, R.C. Nelson,
1214
01:14:11,346 --> 01:14:12,747
who arrested Norman,
1215
01:14:12,848 --> 01:14:14,649
he found Norman's client list
1216
01:14:14,750 --> 01:14:17,618
and hundreds of photos
of boys in his apartment.
1217
01:14:19,621 --> 01:14:21,689
[R.C. Nelson]
Some real prominent people,
1218
01:14:22,424 --> 01:14:25,259
phone numbers, addresses,
1219
01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:28,529
what kind of kid they like.
1220
01:14:28,630 --> 01:14:33,301
Had to be hundreds... of people
1221
01:14:33,402 --> 01:14:34,836
all over the country.
1222
01:14:35,971 --> 01:14:38,706
[narrator] They camefrom all walks of life.
1223
01:14:38,807 --> 01:14:41,175
Somewhere federal employees
in Washington
1224
01:14:41,276 --> 01:14:43,978
and some were
from the music world.
1225
01:14:44,079 --> 01:14:46,981
[Nelson] The head of a...A big orchestra
1226
01:14:47,082 --> 01:14:49,984
was his name printed on a card,
1227
01:14:50,652 --> 01:14:51,986
that my mother loved.
1228
01:14:53,822 --> 01:14:55,423
His cards said he liked...
1229
01:14:56,592 --> 01:14:59,560
...the youngest
that he could get.
1230
01:14:59,661 --> 01:15:04,765
Blonde-haired
and fair-skinned kid.
1231
01:15:04,867 --> 01:15:09,203
Uh, I'm not sure whatever
wound up with the cards.
1232
01:15:09,304 --> 01:15:11,539
It'd be nice to have 'em now,
1233
01:15:11,640 --> 01:15:14,976
but... we don't.
Can't find them.
1234
01:15:18,780 --> 01:15:23,184
[narrator] After the police confiscated
Norman's files and cards in Dallas in 1973,
1235
01:15:23,285 --> 01:15:26,220
they were all sent
to the State Department.
1236
01:15:26,321 --> 01:15:27,221
They were destroyed.
1237
01:15:27,322 --> 01:15:29,991
Now why they would
destroy those cards?
1238
01:15:30,092 --> 01:15:33,027
Who knows if there
were politicians involved?
1239
01:15:33,128 --> 01:15:35,830
Who knows what names
were in these cards?
1240
01:15:35,931 --> 01:15:38,799
But the preponderance
of the cards were found
1241
01:15:38,901 --> 01:15:41,102
in other states.
1242
01:15:41,203 --> 01:15:44,171
[narrator] Everywhere Norman
set up shop around the country,
1243
01:15:44,273 --> 01:15:46,474
his index cards were there.
1244
01:15:46,575 --> 01:15:48,209
Every time he was arrested,
1245
01:15:48,310 --> 01:15:50,011
they were confiscated.
1246
01:15:50,112 --> 01:15:52,013
Every time they
were confiscated,
1247
01:15:52,114 --> 01:15:53,714
they disappeared,
1248
01:15:53,815 --> 01:15:56,884
just like in the Homewood,
Illinois, raid in '73.
1249
01:15:57,786 --> 01:15:59,120
[Frank Flannery] Gone.
1250
01:16:00,155 --> 01:16:01,622
I wish I could help you.
1251
01:16:02,324 --> 01:16:03,224
I don't know.
1252
01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:08,596
These people with power,
especially political power,
1253
01:16:08,697 --> 01:16:10,731
they can get
a lot of things erased.
1254
01:16:10,832 --> 01:16:12,667
They can get
a lot of stuff deep-sixed.
1255
01:16:12,768 --> 01:16:14,268
So, you say,
"Were they deep sixed?"
1256
01:16:14,369 --> 01:16:16,437
Maybe. Maybe they were.
1257
01:16:18,140 --> 01:16:21,676
[narrator] According to Norman,
there was no maybe about it.
1258
01:16:21,777 --> 01:16:23,778
The records were destroyed.
1259
01:16:23,879 --> 01:16:25,613
He told Randy White,
1260
01:16:25,714 --> 01:16:28,115
if his client list
was ever made public,
1261
01:16:28,216 --> 01:16:30,217
it would set off shockwaves.
1262
01:16:30,319 --> 01:16:32,520
"What scared the hell
out of everyone,
1263
01:16:32,621 --> 01:16:35,389
I think, was my mailing list.
1264
01:16:35,490 --> 01:16:39,460
It included the names
of a number of noted judges,
1265
01:16:39,561 --> 01:16:41,996
"legislators
and other officials."
1266
01:16:42,965 --> 01:16:44,265
[Nelson] There's
no doubt in my mind
1267
01:16:44,366 --> 01:16:47,234
there weren't people in there
that would want 'em destroyed.
1268
01:16:47,336 --> 01:16:52,006
What happened to the cards
is certainly fishy.
1269
01:16:52,107 --> 01:16:53,507
[narrator] Despite theBoy Scout convictions
1270
01:16:53,609 --> 01:16:56,344
in Louisiana in 1977,
1271
01:16:56,445 --> 01:16:58,245
federal authorities
turned a blind eye
1272
01:16:58,347 --> 01:17:01,649
to what detectives Stansbury
and Wicks uncovered.
1273
01:17:01,750 --> 01:17:07,321
Mountains of evidence showing the
extent of the national pedophile ring.
1274
01:17:07,422 --> 01:17:11,292
[Gus Stansbury] We had
requested the F.B.I.'s assistance
1275
01:17:11,393 --> 01:17:12,293
since it involved
1276
01:17:12,894 --> 01:17:15,029
multiple jurisdictions,
1277
01:17:15,130 --> 01:17:17,765
and we had one agent show up
1278
01:17:17,866 --> 01:17:18,633
and he spent about
1279
01:17:18,734 --> 01:17:20,668
four or five hours with us,
1280
01:17:20,769 --> 01:17:22,503
taking notes, and he was, like,
1281
01:17:23,205 --> 01:17:24,205
"Wow!"
1282
01:17:24,673 --> 01:17:26,007
And he said,
1283
01:17:26,108 --> 01:17:28,109
- "I'll be back in an hour" -[Frank
Wicks] And we're still waiting.
1284
01:17:28,210 --> 01:17:31,145
That's 40 years ago.
1285
01:17:31,246 --> 01:17:32,780
[interviewer] Do you thinkthey could be sitting
1286
01:17:32,881 --> 01:17:34,315
- somewhere in a box...
- [Sneed] No.
1287
01:17:34,416 --> 01:17:37,485
- ...at the base of the State Department?
- They're gone. They're gone.
1288
01:17:37,586 --> 01:17:41,489
If these cards contain names,
they're gone.
1289
01:17:41,590 --> 01:17:43,424
[narrator] Not all of them.
1290
01:17:43,525 --> 01:17:45,259
Our production unearthed
footage from
1291
01:17:45,360 --> 01:17:48,529
a TV news archive from 1973.
1292
01:17:48,630 --> 01:17:52,867
It shows Norman's cards with his
list of clients from the Dallas raid.
1293
01:17:53,902 --> 01:17:55,836
We tracked down
some of the names.
1294
01:17:55,937 --> 01:17:59,006
Most were from Texas,
one was in Hawaii
1295
01:17:59,107 --> 01:18:01,709
and one was
a minister in California,
1296
01:18:01,810 --> 01:18:04,645
the founder of a church
in Palm Springs.
1297
01:18:04,746 --> 01:18:07,314
Many of the men
on those cards are dead.
1298
01:18:07,416 --> 01:18:09,483
None were ever charged
1299
01:18:09,584 --> 01:18:11,652
so we can't say their names.
1300
01:18:11,753 --> 01:18:16,390
As for the victims, like Jerome
Elam, he knew the game all too well,
1301
01:18:16,491 --> 01:18:19,360
You know you're given a fake
identity, a fake name to use.
1302
01:18:19,461 --> 01:18:20,895
It can't be traced back
to you really are.
1303
01:18:20,996 --> 01:18:24,932
And so Colin was one of the
names that I was given, among others.
1304
01:18:25,033 --> 01:18:30,905
It was all meant to disguise who I truly was
and keep me below law enforcement's radar.
1305
01:18:31,006 --> 01:18:35,176
[narrator] After seven years of fake
names going from one truck stop to another,
1306
01:18:35,277 --> 01:18:38,713
Jerome Elam
saw only one way out.
1307
01:18:38,814 --> 01:18:45,086
By the age of 12, I was hopeless
and it felt like, um, my life had no value.
1308
01:18:45,187 --> 01:18:48,856
I went to my mother's medicine
cabinet, got a bottle of sleeping pills,
1309
01:18:51,093 --> 01:18:53,027
and went to the liquor
cabinet, got a bottle of vodka.
1310
01:18:54,763 --> 01:18:57,264
I went
to my mother's rose garden,
1311
01:18:57,365 --> 01:18:58,833
which she loved her roses
1312
01:18:58,934 --> 01:19:01,001
more than she loved me,
obviously.
1313
01:19:01,103 --> 01:19:03,871
I took the sleeping pills and
drank the vodka and laid down.
1314
01:19:03,972 --> 01:19:05,706
And fell off to sleep.
1315
01:19:05,807 --> 01:19:09,076
At that point, you know,
I heard a voice speak to me,
1316
01:19:09,177 --> 01:19:12,246
saying that, "Your time
on this earth isn't done yet."
1317
01:19:12,347 --> 01:19:15,483
"I want to go back and
work to save other children,"
1318
01:19:15,584 --> 01:19:17,218
and I woke up
in the emergency room.
1319
01:19:17,319 --> 01:19:19,286
I had been gone
for three minutes.
1320
01:19:19,387 --> 01:19:24,158
From that point on, I escaped
the life of being sexually exploited.
1321
01:19:25,527 --> 01:19:29,330
[narrator] He rebuilt his
life, finished high school,
1322
01:19:29,431 --> 01:19:33,534
joined the Marines, even
married, had children of his own.
1323
01:19:33,635 --> 01:19:36,737
He is now an advocate for
the victims of child trafficking.
1324
01:19:36,838 --> 01:19:38,873
[Elam] One of the thingsI tell victims, survivors,
1325
01:19:38,974 --> 01:19:43,744
is that we have to look at
our lives like it is a blank page.
1326
01:19:43,845 --> 01:19:46,614
I don't care what happened to
you yesterday or ten years ago.
1327
01:19:46,715 --> 01:19:49,049
You have a chance every day
to reinvent yourself.
1328
01:19:49,151 --> 01:19:50,618
There's always hope
in your heart.
1329
01:19:50,719 --> 01:19:55,055
It may be a pilot light, but I
learned to ignite that flame
1330
01:19:55,157 --> 01:19:57,725
and let it drive me
to making a difference
1331
01:19:57,826 --> 01:19:59,827
in other children's life
in this world.
1332
01:20:01,163 --> 01:20:04,632
[narrator] Dean Corll, killed
by one of his accomplices.
1333
01:20:04,733 --> 01:20:08,102
John Wayne Gacy, executed.
1334
01:20:08,203 --> 01:20:11,906
The Boy Scout pedophiles,
died in prison or escaped
1335
01:20:12,007 --> 01:20:13,841
and never paid for their crimes.
1336
01:20:15,377 --> 01:20:18,712
As for the kingpin pedophile,
John Norman,
1337
01:20:18,814 --> 01:20:20,881
he hopped from one state
to the next
1338
01:20:20,982 --> 01:20:22,550
and was in and out of prison.
1339
01:20:24,719 --> 01:20:28,088
In 1987, he was
arrested in Urbana, Illinois,
1340
01:20:28,190 --> 01:20:30,191
for stealing
his roommate's computer.
1341
01:20:31,860 --> 01:20:34,995
John Norman's mailing list
was about to go digital.
1342
01:20:40,802 --> 01:20:42,436
Chicago reporter Michael Sneed
1343
01:20:42,537 --> 01:20:46,006
kept tabs on John Norman's
movements over the years.
1344
01:20:46,107 --> 01:20:49,877
In 2009, she caught up with
him in prison in California.
1345
01:20:50,879 --> 01:20:52,680
[Michael Sneed]
He was about to get out,
1346
01:20:52,781 --> 01:20:54,982
but he had been deemed
so dangerous
1347
01:20:55,083 --> 01:20:59,486
he was going to go on trial
because there were laws in California
1348
01:20:59,588 --> 01:21:01,622
where they could keep somebody
in prison
1349
01:21:01,723 --> 01:21:03,824
if they thought they'd be
a danger to society.
1350
01:21:04,893 --> 01:21:08,963
These are actual notes
I made longhand
1351
01:21:09,898 --> 01:21:11,198
while I was in trial.
1352
01:21:11,266 --> 01:21:17,404
"And here was this guy that
I had interviewed in 1977,"
1353
01:21:17,505 --> 01:21:23,444
"and now he is a man with
white hair wearing white sacks,"
1354
01:21:23,545 --> 01:21:26,680
"large glasses,
big bushy eyebrows."
1355
01:21:26,781 --> 01:21:29,416
And I said that he looked
like an Irish priest.
1356
01:21:29,517 --> 01:21:32,253
Here's the picture of him.
1357
01:21:32,354 --> 01:21:35,189
I remember he had a mole
on his face
1358
01:21:35,290 --> 01:21:37,758
and he had this curly hair
and it was white.
1359
01:21:37,859 --> 01:21:42,296
He said, "I'd like to think that
I've done no harm in my life,"
1360
01:21:42,397 --> 01:21:47,201
because, uh, whatever se he had
done was with a consenting relationship.
1361
01:21:47,302 --> 01:21:51,572
Well, to these pedophiles,
consenting means that child says, "OK,"
1362
01:21:51,673 --> 01:21:53,440
or a child
will go along with it.
1363
01:21:54,542 --> 01:21:57,378
[narrator] John Normandied in 2011
1364
01:21:57,479 --> 01:22:00,014
in a mental hospital
in California.
1365
01:22:00,115 --> 01:22:02,616
Whatever secrets he had
died with him,
1366
01:22:02,717 --> 01:22:06,020
the apex predator of the 1970s,
1367
01:22:06,121 --> 01:22:09,657
his pedophile ring
stretched from coast to coast,
1368
01:22:09,758 --> 01:22:13,494
a man who turned his obsession
with young boys into a business
1369
01:22:13,595 --> 01:22:15,629
who shipped children to anyone,
1370
01:22:15,730 --> 01:22:18,933
judges and politicians,
for a price.
1371
01:22:19,034 --> 01:22:22,536
No one on his client list
ever paid for his crimes.
1372
01:22:23,371 --> 01:22:26,307
But Norman wasn't the last.
1373
01:22:26,408 --> 01:22:28,642
[Elam] With the advent of
the Internet, the dark Web, um,
1374
01:22:28,743 --> 01:22:31,645
they've been more prolific and
able to have a bigger outreach.
1375
01:22:31,746 --> 01:22:35,916
Things happen much faster that
did in the 1970s with John Norman.
1376
01:22:36,017 --> 01:22:37,985
[Sneed] I think the distribution
pipeline has changed,
1377
01:22:38,086 --> 01:22:39,687
but I think things are worse.
1378
01:22:39,788 --> 01:22:41,255
I think people are more aware,
1379
01:22:41,356 --> 01:22:46,126
but technology has become
this tunnel of perversion.
1380
01:22:46,227 --> 01:22:48,095
[It. Jason Moran]
A lot of people want to know,
1381
01:22:48,196 --> 01:22:54,168
"Are these monsters out there
today?" and really operate in a way
1382
01:22:54,269 --> 01:22:57,404
where it's not obvious
that they're your neighbor,
1383
01:22:57,505 --> 01:23:01,208
perhaps a coworker,
and you're a fool
1384
01:23:01,309 --> 01:23:05,412
just like the people who
knew John Gacy were fooled.
1385
01:23:05,513 --> 01:23:08,015
[Sheriff Tom Dart] The Internet
world has taken all of these
1386
01:23:08,116 --> 01:23:09,883
different horrible issues
we have
1387
01:23:09,985 --> 01:23:11,852
and literally put them
on steroids.
1388
01:23:11,953 --> 01:23:14,088
In as far as instant access,
1389
01:23:14,189 --> 01:23:16,724
oh, my God,
it's never been so easy.
1390
01:23:16,825 --> 01:23:20,427
[Elam] The network right
now, these individuals
1391
01:23:20,528 --> 01:23:24,098
typically live in chat rooms
on the dark web.
1392
01:23:24,199 --> 01:23:27,134
The price of admission
to these chat rooms
1393
01:23:27,235 --> 01:23:29,803
is to send a video of yourself
molesting a child.
1394
01:23:29,904 --> 01:23:33,207
It's the dot com
of pedophiles and depravity.
1395
01:23:33,308 --> 01:23:34,975
You can find just about
anything you want.
1396
01:23:35,076 --> 01:23:37,978
I mean, pedophile networks all over
the world, you could connect with them.
1397
01:23:39,781 --> 01:23:42,716
[Dr. Willa Wertheimer] The
perpetrators aren't hunted down.
1398
01:23:42,817 --> 01:23:44,685
If you look at the Epstein case,
1399
01:23:44,786 --> 01:23:49,089
how many of his accomplices,
his procurers,
1400
01:23:50,091 --> 01:23:52,092
how many of them
have been tracked down?
1401
01:23:52,193 --> 01:23:53,994
You know, I double dog dare them
1402
01:23:54,095 --> 01:23:56,196
to go after
Epstein's accomplices,
1403
01:23:58,166 --> 01:24:00,567
[Elam] The ones who havethe wealth and the power
1404
01:24:00,668 --> 01:24:02,936
are the ones
that continue to do this
1405
01:24:03,038 --> 01:24:06,006
and just have not been
yet brought to justice.
1406
01:24:07,342 --> 01:24:10,444
[narrator] Norman and his
nationwide sex trafficking ring
1407
01:24:10,545 --> 01:24:14,281
victimized hundreds of boys
across America in the 70s.
1408
01:24:14,382 --> 01:24:17,384
And between them, Dean Corll
and John Wayne Gacy
1409
01:24:17,485 --> 01:24:20,921
murdered more than 60
young males that we know of.
1410
01:24:22,557 --> 01:24:25,392
[Moran] I'd like to believethat a Gacy case
1411
01:24:25,493 --> 01:24:29,630
couldn't happen again,
but I'm constantly reminded
1412
01:24:29,731 --> 01:24:30,998
that it's possible.
1413
01:24:32,300 --> 01:24:34,034
[Dr. Wertheimer]
There are more Andys.
1414
01:24:34,135 --> 01:24:36,670
There's more Andys
that haven't even been born.
1415
01:24:38,006 --> 01:24:41,475
[narrator] In September
of 2020, promising news.
1416
01:24:41,576 --> 01:24:43,710
DNA from Gacy's
victim number five
1417
01:24:43,812 --> 01:24:47,114
produced a family name
in the genealogical database,
1418
01:24:47,215 --> 01:24:51,151
a lead to a family line from
another state, not Illinois.
1419
01:24:51,252 --> 01:24:53,720
Lieutenant Moran's
detective work begins.
1420
01:24:53,822 --> 01:24:55,422
He's now
tracking down the family
1421
01:24:55,523 --> 01:24:59,059
to see if they have been
searching for a missing relative.
1422
01:24:59,160 --> 01:25:02,796
Victim number 28
remains unidentified.
1423
01:25:02,897 --> 01:25:05,933
And for now,
Dean Corll's last victim.
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Swimsuit Boy,
is also without a name.125743
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