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Being a dad is one of the great privileges of my life.
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Give my son a BB gun, and that's just about all the emotional support he needs.
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My daughter, on the other hand, I've heard people say that there are no differences between male and female.
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Those people are idiots.
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I'm a husband.
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I'm a father of four.
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I host a talk show.
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I give speeches, I write books.
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I like to make sense of things.
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But making sense of females is a whole other matter.
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Even astrophysicist Stephen
Hawking, who could come up with
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a theory on black holes, was
completely dumbfounded by women.
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Women, they are a complete mystery.
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And now our culture is telling us that
the differences between girls and boys
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don't matter, that if you identify as
something, then you are that thing.
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How do we help our kids make sense
of this when they're bombarded with
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conflicting messages about gender and
identity? Forget trying to figure out women.
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The real question is, what is
a woman? As you grow, your
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body changes from that of a
young girl to that of a woman.
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Soon Molly will be a
young woman having dates,
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going to dances, and
lovely romantic dresses.
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The boy's shoulders
are broad and his body
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muscular, while the
girl's body is more curved.
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I'd like to know more about different kinds of hormones.
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The presence of these
hormones in the blood brings
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about many changes in the
bodies of both boys and girls.
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Being a woman is one of the things I like best about myself.
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I think you'll like it, too.
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I like to come out here to think.
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Nature seems to always tell the truth, even when we don't want to hear it.
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Truth is, I'm not very
good at fishing, but what is
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truth? Is there a truth?
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Is this what progress looks like? Can my boys really
become girls? Do I have four
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daughters? Do I now have
to pay for four weddings?
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Is there a son trapped
in my daughter's body? If
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so, how do I get them
out? Are any of my kids who
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they claim to be? Who are
these people? Who am I?
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I better see a therapist
in the state of Tennessee.
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I'm a licensed marital
and family therapist, which
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basically means I've
been trained up to think
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about, like, systems,
family systems, how we
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were raised up, how that
shapes who we are today.
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So on your website,
if you'll bear with me
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quoting you say I use a
combination of approaches
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in my therapeutic work, including anti
oppression, feminist, and narrative frameworks.
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I rely deeply on systems
theory and understanding
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that individuals are products
of and in dialogue with
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our surroundings, including
our families, broader
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culture, workplaces,
nature, and political climates.
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What does that mean? Yeah.
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So thinking about the
modalities that I use, I'm
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definitely informed by
feminist family therapy.
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And the idea is that we've lived in gendered
worlds where there are certain imperatives
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that are placed on us about who we are and
what we do based on how we've been gendered.
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From the minute I was
assigned female, I was told, okay,
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these are the kind of clothing
that you're going to wear.
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These are the type of play that
you're going to engage in as a child,
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the path that maybe your life will
take because of social expectations.
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What do you mean by assigned female? Who assigns female? Yeah.
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So most times people,
when they're born, they're
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assigned to gender
by the doctor doctors.
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Yeah.
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What are they based that assignment on? So basically it's based on genitalia.
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So people are looking at genitalia and deciding, okay, this is a girl or a boy.
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And we know now that sex and gender are so much more than just this binary.
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Some women have penises, right? Some men have vaginas.
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That's not how gender work.
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How do we know that
that's not true? Where did we
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learn that? Yeah, well, I
learned that from hearing
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from transgender people
who said, like, oh, I'm a
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trans woman, and just because
I happen to have a penis.
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Right.
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That doesn't mean that
this is like who I am as
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a person or that genitalia
doesn't equal gender.
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Who they are, their gender, their gender expression.
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Yeah.
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Trans woman is a woman with the fluidity of these things.
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How do I know if I'm a woman? That's a great question.
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I like scented candles.
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I've watched Sex in the City.
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So how do I know? Yeah,
Matt, that question right
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there, that question is
when it's asked with a
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lot of curiosity, that's
the beginning of a lot
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of people's gender identity
development journeys.
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If my mom who gave birth
to me is a woman and my wife
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is a woman, so I haven't
asked her, maybe I should.
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But if they're all women and also the
boy who sits down with you and says,
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I think I'm a girl actually is one,
then what is a woman? Great question.
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I'm not a woman, so I can't really answer that.
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I thought therapy would make me less confused.
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we're talking about gender in society.
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Let me start with a real basic question.
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I don't want to assume, but you guys are all women.
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Yeah.
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How would you define it? Like in the simplest terms, that is hard.
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Yeah.
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It is a stumper.
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A woman is someone
that likes to be pretty and
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think of themselves
as a delicate creature.
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I'm pretty indelicate.
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I could be a woman, too.
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Yes, you could.
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Defining womanhood is just a product of someone who identifies as a woman.
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Yeah, but I'm saying, what do they identify as they identify as a woman.
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But what is that as they do now? It's a simple question.
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for all of human existence, women were understood to be a certain thing.
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So what changed? No one can seem to answer the question now.
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Over 2000 surgeries and counting, Dr.
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Marcy Bowers is the nation's preeminent sex change surgeon.
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talking to.
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Marcy Bowers, first of all, thanks for talking to us.
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My pleasure.
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So you're a world renowned gynecologist and surgeon.
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You're also a transgender woman.
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Can you tell me a little bit about that? I identify as a woman.
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But you're a woman, right? I'm a woman.
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That's my life day to day.
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But I have a transgender history.
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So one thing on your website, it says gender affirm Gav.
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Gender affirming vaginal plasty.
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What is that exactly? Vaginaplasty is the creation of a female vagina.
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And Balva.
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We're altering the physical
characteristics of the individual
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to fit better with a gender
identity that is female.
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This is all constructed from the penis.
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Yes, that's right.
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The surgeries are quite refined in the
sense that they really not only do they
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look like female anatomy, but they
also function that way for the most part.
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I mean, certainly it's a bit of a Faustian bargain.
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It's not perfect.
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Does anyone ever regret their surgeries? We know they do.
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But how often do people
regret their surgeries?
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Well, actually, we
don't know that they do.
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There are legitimate detransitioners,
and there are people who
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truly feel that in their journey
they may have made a mistake.
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Now, fortunately, this is a really uncommon phenomenon.
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I don't know if you've ever heard of people in the trans abled community.
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These are people who are
physically able bodied but
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feel like they should be
disabled or identify as such.
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For example, a man who has two arms but feels like you should have one.
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If a man in this kind of
marginalized community went to
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the doctor and said, I want
to have my arm cut off, do
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you think that doesn't have
anything to do with gender
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identity? Someone's self
identity? That's someone who has.
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And I'll accept it as a mental diagnosis, a psychiatric condition.
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I don't even pretend to know what abdomen
affiliate is all about, but somehow it's
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the idea that you're fascinated or charmed
by having a limb or part of a limb missing.
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Okay, I would say that's, pardon my non medical language, Kooky.
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You don't see any.
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Do you think this is totally irrelevant? Yes.
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So the biggest broadest
question is, what is a woman? A
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woman is a combination of
your physical attributes and then
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what you're showing to the
world and the gender clues that
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you give, and hopefully those
match your gender identity.
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The critics on the other side of this issue, there aren't many.
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But go ahead.
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There aren't many who would
disagree with what you're saying
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about, well, the dinosaurs of
the world are certainly out there.
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How long have you been running the shop here? 25 years.
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Wow.
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Now you had an incident here a little while ago that went really viral online.
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Lots of reaction in the public.
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Aberdeen Councilwoman
ties confronted owner Don
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Sucker about a sign he
posted in his store one day.
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I just put the sign up over
here and he came around
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the corner and I thought,
okay, I recognize him.
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I said, oh, I recognize you.
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You're our new city Councilman.
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He says, no, I'm your new city Council woman.
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So it was kind of on from there.
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You know what? It's bullshit.
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Your spouting is bullshit.
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No, it's not.
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Women are women.
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Sir, that sign is bullshit.
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I've been doing this 25 years.
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I've never had a problem with anybody.
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Whether they're gay, trans, sex, anything.
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Now you're saying, Councilman
he, this individual is saying,
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I'm a woman, right? And
you said, you're not a woman.
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How do you know that person is not a woman? How do I know? Well, common sense.
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Doesn't the science say
that if someone identifies as
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a woman, then they are?
No, that's completely bogus.
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I don't care if you think you're a sheep dog and you come into my store.
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It don't matter to me.
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Just don't come in and try to shove that shit down my throat.
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If it makes someone feel better.
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What about their feelings? I don't give a shit about their feelings.
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I'm old.
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What about a Star Wars universe
charge our banks pansexual? Do you think
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transgender? Why would I even care
if it's his truth? Well, it ain't true.
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You're not a scientist.
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You're not a gender studies major.
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Or are you? No.
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Okay.
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How do you know that you're a man? How do I know that? I guess because I got a Dick.
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Well, I guess Don isn't overthinking it.
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He admits he's not a gender studies major or at the very least, a doctor.
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Maybe I should go talk to one.
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My name is Michelle 14, and I have a medical degree from University of Connecticut.
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Residency, University of Utah Pediatrics.
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And I've worked for a number of different plant Parenthoods for 20 years.
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I do advanced contraception and abortion,
as well as gender hormones and sort
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of looking at the whole sort of schema
of gender, sex and reproductive justice.
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So you've done a lot of work in this field.
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Could you just start by telling us? Sure.
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At what age can a child first
begin to transition into another
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gender or identify themselves
as a gender different from how
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they were born? Yeah, well,
there's research and data that
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show that babies and infants
understand differences in gender.
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Some children figure out their gender really early.
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And the reason why we
say, oh, that's interesting
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or important is
because they're figuring
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out their gender
identity is not necessarily
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congruent with their
sexist signed at birth.
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When the doctor sees
the penis and says, this is a
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male as a sex of male,
that's an arbitrary distinction.
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Telling that family based on
that little penis that your child is
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absolutely 100% male identified, no
matter what else occurs in their life.
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That's not correct.
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So what is gender affirmation care
you're a big proponent of if we walk
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through a child is sitting down
with you is questioning their gender.
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What's the gender
affirmation process? Affirmation
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means that as a
pediatrician, as someone who
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says my job is to provide
the best medical care
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for you is I need to
listen really carefully.
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And how I put it in
words for kids so that
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they can understand
it is tell me your story.
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Where have you been in
terms of your gender and
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your gender identity?
Where are you right now?
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And more excitingly,
where would you like to
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be in the future? Have
you ever met a four year
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old who believes in Santa
Claus? This is someone
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who believes that fat
man is traveling through
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the sky and a flying
reindeer at lightning speed,
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coming down his chimney
with presence? Yes.
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Would you say that this is someone
who maybe has a tenuous grasp on
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reality? They have an appropriate
four year old handle on the reality.
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That's very real for them.
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Agreed.
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But Santa Claus is real for them.
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But Santa Claus is not actually real.
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Yeah, but Santa Claus does deliver their Christmas presents.
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Yeah, but he's not real, though, to that child they are.
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When I see a child who believes in Santa
Claus and then let's say this is a boy and he
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says, I'm a girl, this is someone who can't
distinguish between fantasy and reality.
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So how could you take that as a reality?
I would say that as a pediatrician and
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as a parent, I would say how wonderful
my four year old in their imagination is.
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Aren't kids famous for
their active imaginations?
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Should we really let our
children define reality?
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If I said that I feel
a certain way, then
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obviously you can't tell
me I don't feel that way.
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But just because I feel
that way, does that mean
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that it's true? Truly,
like none of my business.
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So we all have our own identity realities.
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What if I said, I want you to say that it's true that I'm a woman.
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Would you say that? I would also say that if you want I honestly don't care.
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Whatever makes you happy.
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What's true to you can be false to me.
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What if I said that my truth is
that you don't exist? Does that
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mean you no longer exist? I
mean, if that's your true chair.
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I don't.
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Because it's so you do.
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I mean, if you're saying that I do that I do.
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Well, but even if I said that you don't, you still do.
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Because we're having this conversation, are we? I think so.
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That's what you think.
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Well, I should have known it would be hard to define reality in Hollywood.
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I should probably look
to the place where truth
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is the foremost pursuit,
the American University.
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What we do in gender studies
is not just reduce gender to what
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psychologists might call individual
differences, but rather thinking about
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gender, not women and man, but
gender as a social form, something
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that kind of infuses itself into
virtually all aspects of social life.
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Let's talk about that.
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Then.
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I guess we should start with
we've got gender and sex, right?
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What's the difference between
the two? Is there a difference?
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I saw that in your questions,
and I thought, my goodness, this
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is what we spend an entire
semester kind of thinking through.
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But what we tend to think about in the
social Sciences today is that sex refers to
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a set of biological characteristics, and
gender is a social constructor category.
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What I think is often
misleading about that character,
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that it's allowed to be sort
of messy and complicated.
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But in that framing, when you split them
up into these wholly discrete constructs,
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study scholars and really more specifically,
people who study gender and sex.
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We're not talking about sexuality right now.
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Academic universe that
I travel in is that we see
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how deeply gendered
ideas, cultural ideas about
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masculinity, feminine,
maleness and femaleness,
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both in humans and
in lots of other animals.
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So our gender and sex two different things.
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Well, I think that they both are and they aren't.
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I'm comfortable saying that
gender and sex are two different
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constructs, but they're deeply
intertwined with each other.
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We're talking about gender and sex, and there's a lot of controversies there.
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If we're talking about a trans woman has
all of the male physical characteristics,
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so would that not be a male, then?
Couldn't we plainly say this person is
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a male? Well, I guess it's like, why are
you asking the question? I think I want
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to understand sort of why that's so
important to sort of understand reality.
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Well, I mean, I think when someone tells you who they are, you should believe them.
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So if a person says that
they're a woman or they're
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a man, then that's them
telling you their gender is.
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I'm not so sure what social interactions
would have to do with maleness
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or femaleness that we I'm not
even talking about social context.
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I'm just trying to start by getting to the truth.
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Yeah.
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I mean, I'm really
uncomfortable with that language
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of, like, getting to the
truth again in social life.
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Why is that uncomfortable? Because it sounds actually deeply transphobic to me.
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And if you keep probing, we're going to stop the interview.
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If I probe about what the
truth is, you keep invoking
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the word truth, which is
condescending and rude.
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I'm saying to you, how is the
word truth condescending and
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rude? Why don't you tell me
what your truth is, and you're
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walking on 30 seconds more of
the nights before I get up what
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my truth is? Well, I don't
think I really have the truth.
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I think that there's just the truth, like the reality.
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And so we should begin by trying to figure out what the reality is.
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And why are you concerned
when someone else tells you that
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they're a man, or even if they
use the word male, why are you
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concerned with not believing
them? Well, you keep bringing it back
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to how do you respond in a
social situation? That's what I do.
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I'm a social scientist.
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Well, right.
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But we're in a University.
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This is a place of understanding truth, isn't it? Absolutely.
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We pursue truth.
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And I'm a social scientist, and that's what I did.
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You just say the truth is transphobic.
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That you would say if you're saying the truth is that I get to say you're not a man.
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Show me your genitalia.
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That's transphobic.
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No, I don't want to see if it's genitalia.
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I just mean someone can make a statement about themselves that could be untrue.
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Like, for example, if I
were to say that I'm a
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black man, would you
accept that, or would you
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be skeptical? Are you
black? Are you African
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American? Are you
biracial? I don't think so.
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Well, you don't look that.
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And I don't think
that's a it doesn't sound
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like that's a genuine
statement of who you are.
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Okay.
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So that's my point.
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I could make a statement about who I am.
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That's incorrect.
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Of course.
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I think it's well established that human beings can lie.
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Yes.
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Or not even lie.
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I mean, I could just be mistaken.
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Yeah.
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I guess this all comes back
just all comes down to really
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one question, especially women,
gender and sexuality studies.
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Why do you ask the question? I just really
like to know, what do you think the answer
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to that question is? Well, I'm asking
that's why I came to a College Professor.
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This is what you do.
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a lot of like this where you're not answering? I've gotten a lot of that.
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I think it's interesting that
you say that some of the
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people you've interviewed
have been reluctant to answer it.
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And I think that has a lot to do
with the the way questions that
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preceded it and the way that you've
conducted yourself in the interview.
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How have I conducted myself? How do
you think you've conducted yourself? You
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just really don't want to answer the
questions, do you? I came today very
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willing and enthusiastic about answering
questions about women and gender
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sexuality studies, which is you wanted to
answer questions about women's studies.
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And so the first answer
you should be able to
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provide is what exactly
is a woman? Well, for
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me, it's actually a
really simple answer, and
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that's the person who
identifies as a woman.
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But what are they identifying
as a woman? What is that as
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a woman? Do you know what
a circular definition is? I do.
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It's sort of like what you're doing right now.
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Where is a woman? Because
you're seeking what we would call
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in my field of work, an
essentialist definition of gender.
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I think it sounds like you would like
me to give you a set of biological or
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cultural characteristics that are
associated with one gender or the other.
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I'm not seeking any type of definition.
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I'm just seeking a definition.
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Yeah, I gave you one.
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Well, now I can say I've been to College.
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Glad I didn't pay for it.
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Is there anyone willing to
give me a straight answer?
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Ideally somebody with a bunch
of medical degrees on the wall.
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Dr.
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Grossman, thanks for talking to us.
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You're a psychiatrist
and medical doctor and
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you've done a lot of
work in child psychiatry.
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What is transgenderism?
From a psychiatric
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standpoint? The best way
to approach it is by speaking
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about gender dysphoria,
which is an intense
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loathing and discomfort
with one's biological sex.
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They exist anywhere between one in 30,000 people and one in 1100.
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It's important to
distinguish those people from
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what's happening much
more recently, which is
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kids that never had any
discomfort or dysphoria,
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as it's now called,
with their biological sex.
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And then quite suddenly, as preteens
or as adolescents, they come out and
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they announce that they are gender
fluid or they start to question their sex.
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So first, let's define the terms sex and gender.
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Yes, please.
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Sex is biology.
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Sex is unchanging.
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It's based on chromosomes.
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99 point 99% of the cells in the body are marked either male or female.
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Gender, on the other hand, is a perception.
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It's a feeling.
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It's a way of identifying it's an experience.
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Okay, that's subjective.
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It sounds like what you're
saying is that if a man is male
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but thinks of himself as a
woman, he's not actually a woman.
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That's correct.
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Male gametes.
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That's what makes me male.
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No, your sperm don't make you male.
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Then what does it's a constellation in reality.
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In truth.
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Okay, whose truth are we
talking about? The same truth
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that says we're sitting in
this room right now, you and I.
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No, you're not listening.
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If I see a chicken laying eggs and
I say that's a female chicken laying
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eggs, did I assign female or am
I just observing a physical reality
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that's happening in the world? Does
a chicken have gender identity? Does
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a chicken cry? Does a chicken
commit suicide because you're talking.
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You're trying.
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Chicken has sex.
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Like any biological organism, an assigned gender.
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But a chicken doesn't have a gender identity.
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So we assign female the chickens and they lay eggs.
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We assume they're female if they lay eggs.
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Now, I was told that really,
everyone agrees with the current
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approach to gender and
transitioning kids and all that.
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And if you don't agree that you
are a dinosaur and a bigot, are
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you a bigoted dinosaur? I'm not
bigoted and I am not a dinosaur.
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I am rooted in reality and in science.
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Who's reality? There's one reality.
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The first race that I
competed against a
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transgender athlete was
during my freshman year.
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And once the gun went off,
the two transgender athletes
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took off flying and left
all of us girls in the dust.
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Throughout all four
years of high school, I
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was forced to compete
against biological males.
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I only competed against them in the
sprinting events, but I raced against these
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athletes over a dozen times throughout
the years, and every single time I lost.
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Did they inch you out of metals that you
would have won otherwise or trophies you
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would have won? They beat me out by 20
meters out of medals and qualifying spots.
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I missed out on qualifying for New England.
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I had to go in the long jump and the four X 200 meters relay.
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So I was forced on the
sidelines in my own event, and if
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they were not there, I would
have been able to qualify.
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So I missed out on so much throughout my high school career.
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Did they win all the events or
almost all the events between
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the two of them? They want
every single event they competed in.
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How does that feel? It is so
frustrating and heartbreaking
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because we elite female
athletes train so hard to
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shave distractions of a
second off of our time and going
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into races knowing that
we will never be able to win.
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It feels like all that work gone to waste.
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Case.
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In Connecticut, there were two male track runners, trainers, girls, right.
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Who decided that they were going to race against the girls.
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And you look at those
individuals, you look at
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their times against the
men, against the boys.
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So they were kind of middle
of the pack, and then they're
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racing the girls and they're
first and second place.
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Is that indicative of some kind of
unfair advantage that those individuals
468
00:31:05,766 --> 00:31:11,374
might have against the girls? No, it's
not indicative of an unfair advantage.
469
00:31:11,422 --> 00:31:15,900
And I think part of the proof of
this is that more transgender girls are
470
00:31:15,924 --> 00:31:20,782
coming out in high school and still
playing sports and they're not winning.
471
00:31:20,866 --> 00:31:23,158
The Connecticut case is the exception.
472
00:31:23,314 --> 00:31:28,206
It got a lot of attention because those two trans girls performed well.
473
00:31:28,328 --> 00:31:33,274
But there are many more trans girls competing in sports, and they don't excel.
474
00:31:33,442 --> 00:31:37,130
At the end of the day, whether or
not you win a game is about how
475
00:31:37,154 --> 00:31:40,842
hard you work in your practice,
and most of us aren't going to win.
476
00:31:40,916 --> 00:31:43,100
And that goes for transgender athletes, too.
477
00:31:44,330 --> 00:31:45,380
Let's go.
478
00:31:54,570 --> 00:31:59,486
The norm is that transgender youth don't win that much in sports games.
479
00:31:59,558 --> 00:32:03,142
Alana McLaughlin was very appreciative for Provost to take this by.
480
00:32:03,156 --> 00:32:06,370
I don't know how appreciative now, but she got a couple of punches in.
481
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:11,486
It is very much the exception when
a transgender young person does
482
00:32:11,510 --> 00:32:16,980
win, and it's because there's not
really an advantage to being trans.
483
00:32:17,310 --> 00:32:20,220
Only a few people are going to lead the pack.
484
00:32:39,130 --> 00:32:43,217
if there was a big advantage
to being transgender in sports,
485
00:32:43,241 --> 00:32:47,190
then we would see transgender
women totally dominating.
486
00:32:47,250 --> 00:32:52,028
And over the last half
of the pool, nobody will
487
00:32:52,052 --> 00:32:56,830
touch Leah Thomas and
man a feel like a woman.
488
00:32:56,950 --> 00:33:00,634
Transgender swimmer Leah Thomas breaking barriers and records.
489
00:33:00,682 --> 00:33:03,398
But in a new article,
Sports Illustrated calls the
490
00:33:03,422 --> 00:33:06,694
College senior the most
controversial athlete in America.
491
00:33:06,862 --> 00:33:11,106
Leah obviously helps us do better, right? Swimming really fast.
492
00:33:11,228 --> 00:33:15,066
Leah's performance helps the University of Pennsylvania swim team.
493
00:33:15,128 --> 00:33:18,430
The feeling of winning doesn't feel as good anymore because it feels painted.
494
00:33:18,550 --> 00:33:21,386
There was a lot of things
you couldn't talk about that
495
00:33:21,410 --> 00:33:24,246
were very concerning,
like a locker room situation.
496
00:33:24,428 --> 00:33:28,090
If you even brought up concerns about it, you were transphobic.
497
00:33:28,150 --> 00:33:30,518
If you even bring up the
fact that Leah swimming
498
00:33:30,542 --> 00:33:32,910
might not be fair, you
were immediately shut down.
499
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,094
This being called a hateful person or transphobic.
500
00:33:36,142 --> 00:33:38,446
But there's never any conversation.
501
00:33:38,518 --> 00:33:40,517
The coaches don't
sit everyone down and
502
00:33:40,541 --> 00:33:43,122
acknowledge what
everyone's really upset about.
503
00:33:43,196 --> 00:33:45,163
So kind of actually
brought in people high
504
00:33:45,187 --> 00:33:47,154
up in the athletic
Department to talk to us.
505
00:33:47,192 --> 00:33:49,566
They brought in someone from the LGBTQ center.
506
00:33:49,688 --> 00:33:52,398
They brought in someone from the psychological services.
507
00:33:52,544 --> 00:33:56,982
So you're upset about what's happening and so you need psychological help.
508
00:33:57,056 --> 00:33:57,366
Yeah.
509
00:33:57,428 --> 00:34:00,232
And they told us in this meeting,
they said, look, we understand
510
00:34:00,256 --> 00:34:03,418
there's an array of emotions, but
Leah, swimming is a non negotiable.
511
00:34:03,514 --> 00:34:06,366
However, we can help you make that okay.
512
00:34:06,488 --> 00:34:07,602
That's what we here for.
513
00:34:07,676 --> 00:34:09,922
So you're anonymous for this interview.
514
00:34:10,006 --> 00:34:15,280
Why did you decide that you can't have your face out there
saying these things? They've made it pretty clear that
515
00:34:15,304 --> 00:34:17,929
if you speak up about it
and you say anything negative
516
00:34:17,953 --> 00:34:20,578
that your life will be over
in some way, you'll be lost.
517
00:34:20,614 --> 00:34:21,478
It all over the Internet.
518
00:34:21,514 --> 00:34:22,282
As a transphobe.
519
00:34:22,306 --> 00:34:24,762
If you come out and then you'll never be able to get a job.
520
00:34:24,836 --> 00:34:26,996
Like anyone who wants
to hire you will look you up
521
00:34:27,020 --> 00:34:29,180
and see your transphobic
and your life will be over.
522
00:34:31,790 --> 00:34:35,374
Let's say that I identified
as a woman tomorrow, and I
523
00:34:35,398 --> 00:34:38,982
wanted to go into the same
locker room where you are.
524
00:34:39,176 --> 00:34:44,010
Should I be allowed to do that? As long as I identify that way, I don't know.
525
00:34:44,060 --> 00:34:48,942
I just feel that other women would be uncomfortable by you walking in.
526
00:35:01,710 --> 00:35:05,798
controversy at a health club in Korea Town over the issue of gender.
527
00:35:05,894 --> 00:35:06,478
That's right.
528
00:35:06,564 --> 00:35:09,958
Video of spa goers complaining was posted on social media.
529
00:35:10,044 --> 00:35:11,700
I just want to be clear with you.
530
00:35:12,930 --> 00:35:16,003
It's okay for a man
to go into the women's
531
00:35:16,027 --> 00:35:19,702
section, show his penis
around the other women.
532
00:35:19,776 --> 00:35:21,910
Young, little girls under age.
533
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:23,186
Your spa.
534
00:35:23,318 --> 00:35:24,934
We spa condone that.
535
00:35:24,972 --> 00:35:30,540
Is that what you're saying? Like I asked, he could stay there.
536
00:35:31,110 --> 00:35:32,580
He could stay there.
537
00:35:33,930 --> 00:35:35,174
Busettual orientation.
538
00:35:35,222 --> 00:35:36,050
I see a ditch.
539
00:35:36,110 --> 00:35:38,408
Police identified the
person involved as 52
540
00:35:38,432 --> 00:35:40,730
year old Darren Morager
of Riverside County.
541
00:35:40,790 --> 00:35:43,830
Moragor, who has been a
registered sex offender since
542
00:35:43,854 --> 00:35:47,246
2006, now faces five felony
counts of indecent exposure.
543
00:35:47,318 --> 00:35:49,574
Hello, I'm Congressman Mark Dakano.
544
00:35:49,742 --> 00:35:53,563
Trans month of visibility is a
time to recognize the strength,
545
00:35:53,587 --> 00:35:57,094
diversity and resiliency of
the transgender community.
546
00:35:57,192 --> 00:36:02,531
Together, we can make our country and our world
a more accepting place by speaking out against
547
00:36:02,555 --> 00:36:08,700
transphobia at the source and supporting the trans
community by getting the quality acts signed into law.
548
00:36:09,390 --> 00:36:11,278
Congressman, thank you for being here.
549
00:36:11,304 --> 00:36:12,130
Thanks for joining us.
550
00:36:12,180 --> 00:36:15,445
You are the first member of
Congress who's a member of
551
00:36:15,469 --> 00:36:18,734
the LGBT community and
also a person of Asian descent.
552
00:36:18,842 --> 00:36:21,814
You're also a big proponent of the Equality Act.
553
00:36:21,972 --> 00:36:22,582
Yes.
554
00:36:22,716 --> 00:36:26,458
What is the Equality Act? If you were to just summarize it very briefly, I know it does a lot.
555
00:36:26,604 --> 00:36:32,665
The most simplest way to talk about
the Equality Act is that it simply amends
556
00:36:32,689 --> 00:36:38,510
the Civil Rights Act to include
sexual orientation and gender identity.
557
00:36:38,630 --> 00:36:42,600
So public accommodations is one area.
558
00:36:42,990 --> 00:36:49,570
What's a way that someone who's LGBT could be discriminated in public accommodations.
559
00:36:49,950 --> 00:36:55,882
Currently, public
accommodations is the whole area
560
00:36:55,906 --> 00:37:01,838
of hotels and motels,
bathrooms and sports teams.
561
00:37:01,874 --> 00:37:02,650
Is that.
562
00:37:02,820 --> 00:37:06,458
I say bathrooms, sports teams, athletic events.
563
00:37:06,554 --> 00:37:09,886
Let's get into more specific policy issues.
564
00:37:10,068 --> 00:37:13,380
There are some women who say and I've talked to a few who say this.
565
00:37:13,710 --> 00:37:18,722
They say, hey, I'd like some Privacy in the bathroom.
566
00:37:18,866 --> 00:37:21,962
I'd prefer not to encounter naked penises.
567
00:37:22,046 --> 00:37:31,930
Frankly, they say even that the penis is a telltale sign that someone is a male.
568
00:37:32,730 --> 00:37:39,610
There are people really bought into the rumor that only men have penises.
569
00:38:18,830 --> 00:38:21,080
we're talking not about a lot of people.
570
00:38:24,930 --> 00:38:28,896
I think a person who wants to use
a woman's bathroom, who identifies
571
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,530
as transgender really does
think of themselves as a female.
572
00:38:40,450 --> 00:38:49,300
respect their basic right to live? I think it will be an important part of this law.
573
00:38:51,550 --> 00:38:52,480
Wait a minute.
574
00:38:53,950 --> 00:39:01,350
Bathrooms are where you want to take this
conversation instead of the basic right to
575
00:39:01,374 --> 00:39:08,774
dislike is something that I'm kind of
mystified that you're kind of not focusing on.
576
00:39:08,812 --> 00:39:12,710
First, we're going straight to the controversy over bathrooms.
577
00:39:14,290 --> 00:39:18,938
So you know what? I think this interview is overview is over.
578
00:39:18,964 --> 00:39:20,380
I just had one last question.
579
00:39:21,670 --> 00:39:22,514
The interview is over.
580
00:39:22,552 --> 00:39:25,910
We want to know what is a woman? Please turn off the camera.
581
00:39:29,590 --> 00:39:30,986
I just wanted to know.
582
00:39:31,168 --> 00:39:35,018
I came all this way to know what they're fair.
583
00:39:35,044 --> 00:39:36,650
Quote, I just wanted to know what is a woman.
584
00:39:48,950 --> 00:39:51,999
My trip to California
isn't providing many
585
00:39:52,023 --> 00:39:55,520
answers, but at least
I'm making new friends.
586
00:39:56,210 --> 00:39:59,368
Do you worry about kids walking
around out here? No, because I
587
00:39:59,392 --> 00:40:02,914
raised two daughters they're two
of the most well adjusted adults.
588
00:40:02,962 --> 00:40:05,058
They grew up around naked people.
589
00:40:05,144 --> 00:40:09,075
And there's been studies that have
shown that children raised around
590
00:40:09,099 --> 00:40:13,030
non sexual nudity actually have
fewer hang ups when they're adults.
591
00:40:13,090 --> 00:40:13,882
People do have hang ups.
592
00:40:13,906 --> 00:40:16,950
There's a lot of things hanging right now during this conversation.
593
00:40:17,870 --> 00:40:20,979
Can anyone be any gender they
want to be? Can a man become a
594
00:40:21,003 --> 00:40:24,430
woman if he wants to be what
people do? That's personal choice.
595
00:40:24,490 --> 00:40:26,610
People can live the life they want to.
596
00:40:26,660 --> 00:40:28,422
I'm trying to live the life I want to.
597
00:40:28,436 --> 00:40:29,574
An authentic life.
598
00:40:29,732 --> 00:40:33,798
That's why I respect other people's rights to choose what they want to do.
599
00:40:33,884 --> 00:40:37,333
Well, why are you asking the gay man
as to what it means to be a woman? You
600
00:40:37,357 --> 00:40:40,806
should be asking women what it means
to be women, especially trans women.
601
00:40:40,988 --> 00:40:42,558
Who what it means to be women.
602
00:40:42,584 --> 00:40:43,890
I'm asking all kinds of people.
603
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,900
Can anyone have an opinion about it? Only people who are women.
604
00:40:48,350 --> 00:40:50,938
Gay men don't know nothing about what it means to be a woman.
605
00:40:51,094 --> 00:40:55,185
Have you told gay men here in San Francisco
that they're not allowed to talk about
606
00:40:55,209 --> 00:40:59,300
this? No, but it's not like I come around
and say what a gay man is allowed to be.
607
00:41:00,530 --> 00:41:05,063
So you're saying if you're not a woman,
then you shouldn't have an opinion? Where
608
00:41:05,087 --> 00:41:09,620
does the guy get a right to say what a
woman is? Women only know what women are.
609
00:41:10,130 --> 00:41:12,980
Are you a cat? No.
610
00:41:20,550 --> 00:41:22,154
This is actually a genuine mistake.
611
00:41:22,202 --> 00:41:24,060
I'm sorry I even came up here.
612
00:41:25,650 --> 00:41:32,254
Do you want to tell us what a woman is?
If my friend in the purple hat is correct
613
00:41:32,278 --> 00:41:39,460
and only women can tell me what a woman is,
I guess I need to go where the women are.
614
00:41:58,810 --> 00:41:59,862
Oh, you're at the women's March.
615
00:41:59,886 --> 00:42:01,060
You must have some idea.
616
00:42:05,750 --> 00:42:08,850
So I see girls vagina.
617
00:42:09,710 --> 00:42:12,148
Does that mean that they're the
only people who can get pregnant?
618
00:42:12,172 --> 00:42:14,840
If men can get pregnant, too, I
think they want the right to choose.
619
00:42:15,710 --> 00:42:16,894
But men can get pregnant.
620
00:42:16,942 --> 00:42:19,466
We're saying someone
who was born as a woman
621
00:42:19,490 --> 00:42:22,014
but identifies as a
man, that's a real man.
622
00:42:22,112 --> 00:42:22,854
It's a real man.
623
00:42:22,892 --> 00:42:23,480
Yeah.
624
00:42:24,830 --> 00:42:26,780
So men can get pregnant? Yes.
625
00:42:27,470 --> 00:42:29,130
They have the parts.
626
00:42:29,510 --> 00:42:31,686
Is it just women that give birth or is it.
627
00:42:31,868 --> 00:42:32,646
Yeah.
628
00:42:32,828 --> 00:42:36,980
So men could give birth to Dino, but that could be a man or one.
629
00:42:37,310 --> 00:42:40,174
Well, I mean, I think that's the whole point, right? That it's fluid.
630
00:42:40,222 --> 00:42:42,642
The way that we define these things changes a lot.
631
00:42:42,716 --> 00:42:44,655
What are you doing here?
I'm asking these questions,
632
00:42:44,679 --> 00:42:46,542
okay? I'm trying to figure
out what a woman is.
633
00:42:46,556 --> 00:42:47,370
That's why I'm here.
634
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:48,322
This is the women's March.
635
00:42:48,346 --> 00:42:49,854
I figured it's a good place to find out.
636
00:42:49,952 --> 00:42:51,570
I've come all this way, ask that question.
637
00:42:51,620 --> 00:43:02,260
Can anyone tell me what a woman is? What is that? Am I ask her a question.
638
00:43:33,690 --> 00:43:34,090
please.
639
00:43:34,140 --> 00:43:36,540
If one person could tell me what a woman is.
640
00:43:40,750 --> 00:43:43,540
Do you guys know what a woman is by any chance? No.
641
00:43:45,790 --> 00:43:48,050
I've been all over America.
642
00:43:49,870 --> 00:43:51,880
I still can't find an answer.
643
00:43:55,490 --> 00:43:57,380
Maybe I'm looking too close to home.
644
00:44:39,910 --> 00:44:44,562
We came a long way to come and talk to you guys thousands of miles from America.
645
00:44:44,706 --> 00:44:46,902
Thank you for inviting us into your tribe.
646
00:44:46,926 --> 00:44:52,658
First of all, I can say it is my pleasure to meet you and feel most welcome.
647
00:44:52,804 --> 00:44:54,866
But you're here to learn with me.
648
00:44:54,928 --> 00:44:56,186
I'm here to learn with you too.
649
00:44:56,248 --> 00:44:56,860
Great.
650
00:45:08,310 --> 00:45:09,960
with the elbow? Yeah.
651
00:45:12,970 --> 00:45:13,770
I mean, they're laughing.
652
00:45:13,830 --> 00:45:16,082
I guess it's not good, but I thought it was pretty good.
653
00:45:16,156 --> 00:45:17,740
Not good enough to be a man yet.
654
00:45:18,370 --> 00:45:22,608
What does a man do? What
are his roles within the tribe?
655
00:45:22,632 --> 00:45:26,870
At the role of a man, you
need to work for your woman.
656
00:45:27,310 --> 00:45:30,170
Secondly, to have children.
657
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,600
If you have children
and you don't have
658
00:45:32,624 --> 00:45:35,680
something to feed them,
you are not still a man.
659
00:46:04,310 --> 00:46:07,220
The best raw kidney I've had in my life.
660
00:46:24,610 --> 00:46:28,634
in Masai community? It will not exist at all.
661
00:46:28,732 --> 00:46:29,810
It doesn't exist.
662
00:46:47,090 --> 00:46:51,915
A woman has its own duty and a
man has its own duty and a lady cannot
663
00:46:51,939 --> 00:46:56,550
duty the duty of a man and a
man cannot do the duty of a woman.
664
00:47:05,970 --> 00:47:06,720
No.
665
00:47:17,710 --> 00:47:18,460
No.
666
00:47:18,790 --> 00:47:22,146
It looks like if you want
to become a lady, but
667
00:47:22,170 --> 00:47:25,526
your man, you have
something wrong in your mom.
668
00:47:25,648 --> 00:47:27,158
Something wrong in your family.
669
00:47:27,244 --> 00:47:28,780
Something wrong in you.
670
00:47:29,830 --> 00:47:35,570
What about if someone was non binary? Come again? Non binary.
671
00:47:44,570 --> 00:47:45,826
Someone is neither.
672
00:47:56,970 --> 00:47:57,682
he's saying.
673
00:47:57,756 --> 00:48:02,426
We have never seen things like this for a man, he has a penis.
674
00:48:02,498 --> 00:48:04,622
For a woman, he has a vagina.
675
00:48:04,766 --> 00:48:06,314
So we know this is a lady.
676
00:48:06,422 --> 00:48:07,500
This is a man.
677
00:48:21,430 --> 00:48:22,550
People are laughing.
678
00:48:28,310 --> 00:48:31,614
They're just laughing because they have never heard something like that.
679
00:48:31,652 --> 00:48:33,020
This is their first time.
680
00:48:33,350 --> 00:48:34,506
I never heard it before.
681
00:48:34,628 --> 00:48:38,470
A woman has a Penny and she's a woman.
682
00:48:38,650 --> 00:48:40,662
In my country, I can't go day without hearing it.
683
00:48:40,676 --> 00:48:41,634
We hear it every day.
684
00:48:41,732 --> 00:48:44,449
So in my country, sometimes
you'll hear people say a
685
00:48:44,473 --> 00:48:47,190
man will say that I'm a
woman trapped in a man's body.
686
00:48:47,240 --> 00:48:49,880
And so they say that I have a woman trapped inside.
687
00:49:00,330 --> 00:49:03,806
They want to know a woman has the breast.
688
00:49:03,998 --> 00:49:04,850
Breast.
689
00:49:05,030 --> 00:49:07,450
Secondly, he has a vagina.
690
00:49:07,890 --> 00:49:08,762
Vagina.
691
00:49:08,906 --> 00:49:14,753
And the question is, does
this man deliver? Does
692
00:49:14,777 --> 00:49:20,500
he deliver babies? No,
not as far as I know.
693
00:49:24,230 --> 00:49:29,208
The question is, let's
say if you want to sleep a
694
00:49:29,232 --> 00:49:34,730
woman, definitely you'll
do sexy, is it? But for the
695
00:49:34,754 --> 00:49:40,095
man, where do you you ask
that question? I don't know
696
00:49:40,119 --> 00:49:45,254
all the logistics of it
based on what I'm saying.
697
00:50:04,590 --> 00:50:07,214
She saved a woman, delivered.
698
00:50:07,382 --> 00:50:08,530
A man cannot.
699
00:50:08,910 --> 00:50:13,706
So it sounds like you don't spend a lot of time thinking about gender.
700
00:50:13,838 --> 00:50:14,974
You just kind of live your lives.
701
00:50:15,012 --> 00:50:16,030
You don't think much about it.
702
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:17,100
It doesn't matter.
703
00:50:19,990 --> 00:50:23,306
He said no because we believe that's a God plan.
704
00:50:23,428 --> 00:50:28,742
God's plan? He's saying that I'm shocked on what you're telling me.
705
00:50:28,876 --> 00:50:30,280
He's shocked? Yeah.
706
00:50:31,870 --> 00:50:32,622
The Messiah.
707
00:50:32,646 --> 00:50:37,670
People don't think much about gender, but they have a firm sense of their identity.
708
00:50:38,230 --> 00:50:42,450
It's clear that gender ideology is a uniquely Western phenomenon.
709
00:50:42,630 --> 00:50:46,939
So where did all this come
from? Who came up with
710
00:50:46,963 --> 00:50:51,182
it and why? Matt, I
want to show this to you.
711
00:50:51,196 --> 00:50:53,810
You're a parent, right? Okay.
712
00:50:53,980 --> 00:50:57,950
It's perfectly normal for ten years.
713
00:51:07,430 --> 00:51:13,974
for ten and up, huh? It's unspeakable what these people have done to our children.
714
00:51:14,132 --> 00:51:17,678
When did that start? When was it
decided that we need to start teaching kids
715
00:51:17,702 --> 00:51:21,200
about this stuff at such a young
age? So I'll answer that with one word.
716
00:51:21,530 --> 00:51:22,590
Kinsey.
717
00:51:22,970 --> 00:51:28,030
Kinsey was a social reformer.
718
00:51:28,150 --> 00:51:33,772
He wanted to rid society of
JudeoChristian values when it came to
719
00:51:33,796 --> 00:51:40,650
sexuality, and he worked very hard to
do that, and I would say he succeeded.
720
00:51:41,330 --> 00:51:44,120
Kinsey would be very happy with our culture today.
721
00:51:44,870 --> 00:51:48,310
His idea was that children
are sexual from birth, that
722
00:51:48,334 --> 00:51:52,294
we're all inherently sexual
creatures from cradle to grave.
723
00:51:52,402 --> 00:51:55,694
He believed that true
happiness is found in a life of
724
00:51:55,718 --> 00:51:59,010
perverse sexual experimentation,
no matter the age.
725
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:02,610
What came out is that his research was fraudulent.
726
00:52:03,350 --> 00:52:05,822
Kinsey based his fraudulent
conclusions on data he
727
00:52:05,846 --> 00:52:08,926
collected from convicted sex
offenders and child molesters.
728
00:52:09,058 --> 00:52:12,346
His research was conducted in prisons, not everyday America.
729
00:52:12,478 --> 00:52:17,660
He also performed horrific sexual experiments on children, some under the age of one.
730
00:52:18,530 --> 00:52:21,459
His most influential book,
Sexual Behavior in the
731
00:52:21,483 --> 00:52:24,412
Human Male, contains an
infamous chart called table
732
00:52:24,436 --> 00:52:27,094
34, which documents
the orgasms of very young
733
00:52:27,118 --> 00:52:30,260
kids, including babies as
young as five months old.
734
00:52:30,890 --> 00:52:34,572
But instead of suffering the
consequences for his heinous actions,
735
00:52:34,596 --> 00:52:38,050
he was, and still is, celebrated
by academia and Hollywood.
736
00:52:38,110 --> 00:52:42,378
His ideas form the foundation for sexual education and public schools today.
737
00:52:42,524 --> 00:52:46,198
How do we get from this to you can choose your own gender.
738
00:52:46,294 --> 00:52:49,462
Okay, well, now we have another and very important character.
739
00:52:49,546 --> 00:52:52,040
And his name was John Money.
740
00:52:52,490 --> 00:52:56,730
John Money was a psychologist and professor at Johns Hopkins University.
741
00:52:57,230 --> 00:52:59,790
Gender ideology was his brainchild.
742
00:53:00,350 --> 00:53:03,870
In fact, he coined the terms gender identity and gender roles.
743
00:53:04,370 --> 00:53:07,775
And according to Money, babies
are gender neutral at birth, and
744
00:53:07,799 --> 00:53:11,866
ultimately, environment determines
whether a person is a man or a woman.
745
00:53:11,998 --> 00:53:16,045
Money was telling the world
about his theory that a boy
746
00:53:16,069 --> 00:53:20,566
could be raised as a girl and
do just fine and vice versa.
747
00:53:20,638 --> 00:53:25,225
And so Money tried out his theory on
two young twin boys, the Rhymer Twins,
748
00:53:25,249 --> 00:53:29,650
when the twins were eight months
old and they went to be circumcised.
749
00:53:29,770 --> 00:53:34,586
The first twin, whose name
was Bruce, something went
750
00:53:34,610 --> 00:53:39,426
wrong with the machinery
and his penis was burnt off.
751
00:53:39,548 --> 00:53:41,671
They stopped and didn't
do a second circumcision
752
00:53:41,695 --> 00:53:43,590
on the other twin,
as you might imagine.
753
00:53:43,910 --> 00:53:46,938
And the parents, of course, didn't know what to do.
754
00:53:47,084 --> 00:53:49,560
How are they going to
raise this child? John Money
755
00:53:49,584 --> 00:53:52,518
convinced Bruce's parents
to transition him into a girl.
756
00:53:52,664 --> 00:53:56,419
Money also conducted sexually abusive
experiments on the twins throughout
757
00:53:56,443 --> 00:54:00,198
their childhood, including forcing
them to simulate sex acts on each other.
758
00:54:00,284 --> 00:54:04,820
He reported up to the age of ten that this was a complete success.
759
00:54:05,270 --> 00:54:07,962
Well, it wasn't true.
760
00:54:08,156 --> 00:54:10,534
The results were a disaster.
761
00:54:10,702 --> 00:54:13,390
Bruce could never fully accept his female identity.
762
00:54:13,510 --> 00:54:16,401
Eventually, his parents told
him the truth, and he chose
763
00:54:16,425 --> 00:54:19,210
to transition back to a
boy, taking the name David.
764
00:54:19,390 --> 00:54:24,030
As an adult, David spoke out about the abuse and the damage done to him by John Money.
765
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:27,578
The girls would do their
things with their barbecues
766
00:54:27,602 --> 00:54:30,980
and things like that, and
that wouldn't interest me.
767
00:54:31,430 --> 00:54:35,510
And things such as
trucks and rolling forts
768
00:54:35,534 --> 00:54:40,198
and getting to the fist
fight, climbing trees.
769
00:54:40,234 --> 00:54:41,514
That's the kind of stuff that I like.
770
00:54:41,552 --> 00:54:42,550
But it was unacceptable.
771
00:54:42,610 --> 00:54:46,674
So I never as a girl, as a girl, I had no place to fit in.
772
00:54:46,772 --> 00:54:52,770
The trauma that he and his brother and his entire family went through left deep scars.
773
00:54:53,390 --> 00:55:01,890
His brother died of an overdose when he was 38, and then David committed suicide.
774
00:55:02,930 --> 00:55:06,558
There was never a retraction or an apology from John Money.
775
00:55:06,704 --> 00:55:09,701
Instead, his ideas were adopted
by mainstream psychology,
776
00:55:09,725 --> 00:55:12,560
and they formed the basis
of gender ideology today.
777
00:55:13,010 --> 00:55:17,453
Why don't more people know
about John Money and offered Kinsey?
778
00:55:17,477 --> 00:55:21,920
Evidently, there are forces that
don't want this information out.
779
00:55:26,610 --> 00:55:30,338
I never said I was an Alpha female sales executive.
780
00:55:30,374 --> 00:55:32,640
That kind of just didn't fit in any box.
781
00:55:35,770 --> 00:55:39,882
When psychologists or somebody
that I was in love with or whatever said
782
00:55:39,906 --> 00:55:43,960
that I was in the wrong body, I
started to think, well, maybe I am.
783
00:55:47,170 --> 00:55:51,374
I'm a biological woman
that medically transitioned to
784
00:55:51,398 --> 00:55:56,250
appear like a male through
synthetic hormones and surgery.
785
00:55:56,370 --> 00:55:59,380
I will never be a man.
786
00:55:59,770 --> 00:56:05,136
Is it transphobic for me to tell the truth?
Why is it then, a couple of hundred years
787
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:08,122
from now, if you dug
up my body, they're going
788
00:56:08,146 --> 00:56:10,910
to go, yeah, that was
a woman had babies.
789
00:56:11,530 --> 00:56:18,050
Can you tell me about the procedures that you had? I've had seven surgeries.
790
00:56:18,730 --> 00:56:20,474
I've had one stress heart attack.
791
00:56:20,632 --> 00:56:24,090
I've had a helicopter life ride with pulmonary embolism.
792
00:56:24,150 --> 00:56:27,606
I've had 17 rounds of antibiotics.
793
00:56:27,738 --> 00:56:32,282
I had six inches of hair on the inside of my retrain for 17 months.
794
00:56:32,476 --> 00:56:34,751
Nobody would help me,
including the doctor that
795
00:56:34,775 --> 00:56:37,000
did this to me because
I lost my insurance.
796
00:56:37,390 --> 00:56:39,770
I get infections every three to four months.
797
00:56:39,820 --> 00:56:42,340
I'm probably not going to live very long.
798
00:56:43,630 --> 00:56:52,370
Was there any real discussion of the risks and the side effects? No, there's not.
799
00:56:52,540 --> 00:56:55,660
And I know that people want to think that there is, but there's not.
800
00:56:56,410 --> 00:56:59,910
The truth is that medical transition is experimental.
801
00:57:00,090 --> 00:57:03,508
We have studies that
said that medical transition
802
00:57:03,532 --> 00:57:06,950
helps mental health,
helps mental health of kids.
803
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:10,614
They've all been retracted, modified, changed.
804
00:57:10,782 --> 00:57:16,174
But the only long term study
tells us seven to ten years is
805
00:57:16,198 --> 00:57:21,590
when transgender people are
the most suicidal after surgery.
806
00:57:21,970 --> 00:57:26,909
But that's transphobic to say
for the first time in history, a
807
00:57:26,933 --> 00:57:32,522
marginalized group has a huge
dollar sign on the top of their head.
808
00:57:32,716 --> 00:57:40,060
We have five children's hospitals in the United States promoting that.
809
00:57:43,610 --> 00:57:44,758
That's a paleoplasty.
810
00:57:44,794 --> 00:57:46,150
That's a bottom surgery.
811
00:57:46,330 --> 00:57:52,069
We have five children's
hospitals in the United States
812
00:57:52,093 --> 00:57:57,398
telling girls that they
can be boys at $70,000 a
813
00:57:57,422 --> 00:58:02,618
pop in a surgery that has
a 67% complication rate
814
00:58:02,642 --> 00:58:08,490
that will kill me from
infection that I can't sue on.
815
00:58:08,660 --> 00:58:10,835
We're butchering a
generation of children
816
00:58:10,859 --> 00:58:13,580
because nobody's willing
to talk about anything.
817
00:58:13,970 --> 00:58:20,820
I have three kids at the age that they're doing this to kids.
818
00:58:22,410 --> 00:58:24,254
I'm not transphobic.
819
00:58:24,422 --> 00:58:27,406
I love my kids and I love other people's kids.
820
00:58:27,468 --> 00:58:28,860
And you should, too.
821
00:58:30,090 --> 00:58:35,290
This is wrong on so many levels.
822
00:58:35,610 --> 00:58:37,523
Can kids consent?
Do you think kids are
823
00:58:37,547 --> 00:58:40,018
capable of consenting
to that? No, they're not.
824
00:58:40,164 --> 00:58:48,326
Being a parent is loving the hell out of your kids
and helping them see around corners what's the
825
00:58:48,350 --> 00:58:52,979
youngest patient that you've
operated on? The youngest
826
00:58:53,003 --> 00:58:57,194
patient I've done vaginal
plastic on is age 16.
827
00:58:57,302 --> 00:59:03,428
Do you worry that minors just don't understand
enough about themselves? They're not
828
00:59:03,452 --> 00:59:06,683
neurologically developed
enough yet to make
829
00:59:06,707 --> 00:59:10,402
permit life altering
decisions? Absolutely not.
830
00:59:10,596 --> 00:59:13,510
A young person's self perception.
831
00:59:13,830 --> 00:59:18,814
One day they may be clear, the next day they may be totally confused and not sure.
832
00:59:18,972 --> 00:59:22,967
And you're affirming it
with hormones that have
833
00:59:22,991 --> 00:59:27,770
never been used in this
way in the field of medicine.
834
00:59:27,890 --> 00:59:31,990
You're talking about puberty blockers blockers and then opposite sex hormones.
835
00:59:32,430 --> 00:59:36,578
What age does the medical transition begin with medication.
836
00:59:36,734 --> 00:59:41,506
So medical affirmation begins when the patient says they're ready for it.
837
00:59:41,688 --> 00:59:45,190
So that could be a kiddo
who is just starting puberty
838
00:59:45,214 --> 00:59:48,581
and panicking because
they're getting breast buds
839
00:59:48,605 --> 00:59:51,764
or their penis is getting
bigger and busier and
840
00:59:51,788 --> 00:59:55,498
they're worried about all
kinds of masculine changes.
841
00:59:55,644 --> 01:00:01,171
And that way puberty blockers, which
are completely reversible and don't have
842
01:00:01,195 --> 01:00:06,722
permanent effects, are wonderful
because we can put that pause on puberty.
843
01:00:06,866 --> 01:00:10,764
It's like if you were listening to
music, you put the pause on and we
844
01:00:10,788 --> 01:00:14,686
stopped the blockers and puberty
would go right back to where it was.
845
01:00:14,808 --> 01:00:18,994
The next note in the song just delayed that period of time.
846
01:00:19,152 --> 01:00:20,822
You can just pause puberty.
847
01:00:20,906 --> 01:00:22,774
No, you can't and then pick it up.
848
01:00:22,812 --> 01:00:23,318
No, you can't.
849
01:00:23,354 --> 01:00:23,830
In the future.
850
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:24,818
No, you can't.
851
01:00:24,974 --> 01:00:27,649
How many studies do
they have? Long term
852
01:00:27,673 --> 01:00:31,106
studies on hormone
blockers with children? None.
853
01:00:31,298 --> 01:00:36,432
I just spoke a month
or two ago with a mother
854
01:00:36,456 --> 01:00:41,590
whose 14 year old
daughter was put on blockers.
855
01:00:41,910 --> 01:00:46,994
They discovered after two years, this 14 year old girl has osteoporosis.
856
01:00:47,042 --> 01:00:49,198
That's something that like old women get.
857
01:00:49,284 --> 01:00:53,543
How can doctors assure parents
that a certain medicine is totally
858
01:00:53,567 --> 01:00:57,826
safe? Based on what you're
saying, they can't possibly know that.
859
01:00:57,948 --> 01:01:06,097
How can they be removing the healthy breaths of 15 year
old girls? How can they be sterilizing kids? How can this
860
01:01:06,121 --> 01:01:09,927
whole thing be happening?
Matt, every child that they
861
01:01:09,951 --> 01:01:14,270
convince is transgender and
in need of medical transition.
862
01:01:14,330 --> 01:01:18,146
It generates $1.3 million to Pharma.
863
01:01:18,278 --> 01:01:24,878
And we're believing a pharmaceutical company, loopron hormone blockers, reversible.
864
01:01:24,974 --> 01:01:28,824
So they say, well, the truth
is that in 2003, Lupron was
865
01:01:28,848 --> 01:01:33,120
sued and deemed a criminal
enterprise by the US government.
866
01:01:33,810 --> 01:01:38,686
They paid the most fine of any pharmaceutical company at that time.
867
01:01:38,808 --> 01:01:42,082
$874,000,000 wrote a check.
868
01:01:42,216 --> 01:01:46,080
Is Lupron chemical castration? Yes.
869
01:01:49,270 --> 01:01:52,560
We're giving it to Pedophiles, aren't we?
We're giving it to people that are dying
870
01:01:52,584 --> 01:01:55,874
and we're giving it to kids telling them
that they were born in the wrong body.
871
01:01:55,912 --> 01:01:57,246
And it's completely safe.
872
01:01:57,378 --> 01:01:58,914
One of the drugs used as Lupron.
873
01:01:58,962 --> 01:01:59,174
Right.
874
01:01:59,212 --> 01:02:04,130
Which has actually been used to chemically pass rate sex offenders.
875
01:02:04,570 --> 01:02:07,381
You know what? I'm not sure
that we should continue with this
876
01:02:07,405 --> 01:02:10,734
interview because it seems like
it's going in a particular direction.
877
01:02:10,842 --> 01:02:12,234
Well, you're a medical professional.
878
01:02:12,282 --> 01:02:13,746
I am a medical professional.
879
01:02:13,818 --> 01:02:17,886
So you don't want to talk
about the drugs that you give
880
01:02:17,910 --> 01:02:21,978
to kids? Again, I'm a
physician and I use medication.
881
01:02:22,134 --> 01:02:26,114
You're choosing exploitive words, drugs I give to you.
882
01:02:26,152 --> 01:02:28,866
I'm choosing a chemical word that was in a dictionary.
883
01:02:28,938 --> 01:02:31,050
That's not a correct term for puberty blocking.
884
01:02:31,110 --> 01:02:33,238
I could look it up on my
phone, but I'm pretty sure
885
01:02:33,262 --> 01:02:35,390
if I looked it up, you can
look it up on your phone.
886
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:39,167
It says medical definition, the
administration of a drug to bring about a Mark
887
01:02:39,191 --> 01:02:42,918
reduction in the body's production of
androgens and especially testosterone.
888
01:02:42,954 --> 01:02:47,204
And I'm saying as a pediatrician
who takes care of hundreds of these
889
01:02:47,228 --> 01:02:52,050
kids, when you use that terminology,
you were being malignant and harmful.
890
01:02:52,230 --> 01:02:54,840
There are some who would
say that giving chemical
891
01:02:54,864 --> 01:02:57,474
castration drugs to kids
is malignant and harmful.
892
01:02:57,582 --> 01:03:03,234
It's about the context of caring
for a child and seeing the suffering
893
01:03:03,258 --> 01:03:08,910
that kids can have that have not
been in affirmative home situations.
894
01:03:08,970 --> 01:03:12,773
What do you say to the claim
that we have to do this for
895
01:03:12,797 --> 01:03:16,600
these kids? Because if we
don't, they'll kill themselves.
896
01:03:17,410 --> 01:03:19,374
They'll resort to drugs and self harm.
897
01:03:19,482 --> 01:03:21,230
A lot of them were hurting themselves.
898
01:03:21,340 --> 01:03:24,774
A lot of them were suicidal before they even discovered gender.
899
01:03:24,942 --> 01:03:28,170
That is never part of the discussion.
900
01:03:28,290 --> 01:03:33,898
And they say, what would you rather
have? A living daughter or a dead son? If
901
01:03:33,922 --> 01:03:39,530
this is what the professionals are
saying, it's terrible emotional blackmail.
902
01:03:43,550 --> 01:03:45,474
Hello? Hey, is this.
903
01:03:45,632 --> 01:03:46,134
This is.
904
01:03:46,172 --> 01:03:46,698
Yes.
905
01:03:46,844 --> 01:03:48,630
Hey, it's Matt Walsh.
906
01:03:49,070 --> 01:03:50,420
Where are you right now.
907
01:03:51,170 --> 01:03:54,140
I'm in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada, right now.
908
01:03:55,190 --> 01:03:58,870
Are you able to leave? I'm not able to leave BC.
909
01:03:58,930 --> 01:04:01,520
I can't even go to another province in Canada right now.
910
01:04:01,970 --> 01:04:04,470
And it's because I'm technically out on bail.
911
01:04:26,850 --> 01:04:30,694
how exactly did this get into the courts to begin with? Right.
912
01:04:30,732 --> 01:04:34,555
So what happened is we set up a meeting
with BC Children's Hospital, and according
913
01:04:34,579 --> 01:04:38,402
to the BC Children's Hospital website,
there's going to be a thorough evaluation.
914
01:04:38,486 --> 01:04:39,538
And I'm thinking, good.
915
01:04:39,624 --> 01:04:40,978
This is going to be the end of it all.
916
01:04:41,004 --> 01:04:44,222
You're going to clearly see that my child is not the opposite sex.
917
01:04:44,306 --> 01:04:47,894
So my ex wife brings my child into VC Children's Hospital.
918
01:04:48,002 --> 01:04:51,738
I get a call less than an hour into
that appointment is that they were going
919
01:04:51,762 --> 01:04:55,498
to pump or pull across sex hormones
within the hour, and I put a halt to that.
920
01:04:55,524 --> 01:04:56,520
I said no.
921
01:04:57,090 --> 01:04:59,230
They agreed to stop for the moment.
922
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:01,102
They figured, well, let's get the dad on board to you.
923
01:05:01,116 --> 01:05:01,990
This is all going to be better.
924
01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:03,586
Let's just get everybody on the same page.
925
01:05:03,648 --> 01:05:04,954
I said it's not going to happen.
926
01:05:05,052 --> 01:05:09,811
So I get a letter from BC Children's Hospital
in December of 2018, and it says that
927
01:05:09,835 --> 01:05:14,594
under the BC Infants Act, they will start
injecting my child with cross sex hormones.
928
01:05:14,642 --> 01:05:18,586
And I have two weeks to respond with legal action if I still choose.
929
01:05:18,768 --> 01:05:22,034
And so that's how I ended up in court, because I did respond with legal action.
930
01:05:22,202 --> 01:05:28,306
So you called your daughter she and you went to jail for that.
931
01:05:28,428 --> 01:05:32,702
It's considered criminal violence to not use the preferred pronouns.
932
01:05:32,786 --> 01:05:35,196
It's no different than,
let's say I were to take a
933
01:05:35,220 --> 01:05:37,630
broomstick and whack one
of my kids over the head.
934
01:05:37,740 --> 01:05:39,914
So they were treating it in a similar fashion.
935
01:05:39,962 --> 01:05:41,438
That misgendering.
936
01:05:41,474 --> 01:05:45,086
Mispronouncing my child was the equivalent of family violence.
937
01:05:45,278 --> 01:05:49,630
Is she on the hormone pills now? She is.
938
01:05:49,740 --> 01:05:56,883
The court ordered that she could
do whatever she wanted 2010 until
939
01:05:56,907 --> 01:06:04,050
I would say 2016, I would say
80% of my clients were trans youth.
940
01:06:04,170 --> 01:06:05,114
Now it is.
941
01:06:05,212 --> 01:06:08,850
You identify, you take hormones, you do surgery.
942
01:06:08,970 --> 01:06:11,898
There isn't any other pathways.
943
01:06:12,054 --> 01:06:15,089
So if you have two
parents, one parent wants to
944
01:06:15,113 --> 01:06:18,678
affirm the trans identity,
the other parent doesn't.
945
01:06:18,714 --> 01:06:21,710
Who wins that battle? The one who wants to affirm every time.
946
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:22,718
Every single time.
947
01:06:22,804 --> 01:06:26,800
The goal is to get the parents to affirm the kid.
948
01:06:32,150 --> 01:06:35,098
There's no such thing as a gender affirming therapist.
949
01:06:35,254 --> 01:06:36,774
That's a contradiction in terms.
950
01:06:36,872 --> 01:06:38,434
Why? Because you don't affirm.
951
01:06:38,482 --> 01:06:41,430
If you're a therapist, it's not your business to affirm.
952
01:06:42,050 --> 01:06:44,130
You come to see me because there's something wrong.
953
01:06:44,300 --> 01:06:46,537
Maybe you come to see
me because a destructive
954
01:06:46,561 --> 01:06:48,798
element of you is
wreaking havoc in your life.
955
01:06:48,944 --> 01:06:52,446
I'm on the side of the part of you that wants to aim up, man.
956
01:06:52,628 --> 01:06:54,174
That's what I'm on the side of.
957
01:06:54,212 --> 01:06:55,614
Okay? Now, I don't know what that means.
958
01:06:55,652 --> 01:06:58,194
In your case, we're going to talk about it.
959
01:06:58,292 --> 01:07:02,586
Am I going to affirm what you think? No, it's not up to me to affirm it.
960
01:07:02,648 --> 01:07:05,008
You don't get a casual
pad on the back from a
961
01:07:05,032 --> 01:07:08,038
therapist for your pre
existing axiomatic conclusions.
962
01:07:08,134 --> 01:07:09,226
That's not therapy.
963
01:07:09,298 --> 01:07:10,678
That's a rubber stamp.
964
01:07:10,834 --> 01:07:16,994
Is anybody at any point explaining to
these kids the real long term consequences
965
01:07:17,018 --> 01:07:23,178
of hormones and puberty blockers? I don't
think they're explaining it to the kids.
966
01:07:23,264 --> 01:07:26,398
That has frightened
me that it's become that
967
01:07:26,422 --> 01:07:29,994
we're even talking to
the kids about it at ten.
968
01:07:30,092 --> 01:07:31,834
We're presenting it in schools.
969
01:07:31,942 --> 01:07:38,194
So this generation, they're the labyrinths biological sex binary.
970
01:07:38,302 --> 01:07:41,754
It's been binary for like 100 million years longer than that.
971
01:07:41,792 --> 01:07:43,222
Temperament is not binary.
972
01:07:43,306 --> 01:07:44,590
Temperamental personality.
973
01:07:44,650 --> 01:07:45,622
So it's gender.
974
01:07:45,766 --> 01:07:46,786
Temperament is gender.
975
01:07:46,858 --> 01:07:53,650
Well, gender is not a good word because it's vague and it isn't measurable.
976
01:07:53,710 --> 01:07:57,132
So do we need it? Why can we just
say temperament? What do we even need
977
01:07:57,156 --> 01:08:00,578
the word gender for? Well, I don't
need it, but what I would say is that
978
01:08:00,602 --> 01:08:03,828
people who talk about the diversity
and gender are actually talking
979
01:08:03,852 --> 01:08:07,422
about diversity and personality and
temperament, but they don't know it.
980
01:08:07,496 --> 01:08:11,928
You can have a masculine temperament if
you're a woman, maybe one in ten women have
981
01:08:11,952 --> 01:08:16,330
the average temperament of a man and
you can have feminine men temperamentally.
982
01:08:16,390 --> 01:08:18,712
And it's not that uncommon
because the differences
983
01:08:18,736 --> 01:08:21,486
between men and women
temperamentally aren't that great.
984
01:08:21,608 --> 01:08:23,110
There are masculine girls.
985
01:08:23,170 --> 01:08:24,658
There are feminine boys.
986
01:08:24,814 --> 01:08:28,772
What are we going to do about
that? Carve them up? You as someone
987
01:08:28,796 --> 01:08:32,754
who started your professional
life, you know, transgender care.
988
01:08:32,852 --> 01:08:33,500
Yeah.
989
01:08:34,010 --> 01:08:39,054
Now you're sitting here talking to me and I'm a dangerous man.
990
01:08:39,092 --> 01:08:39,980
I've been told.
991
01:08:40,970 --> 01:08:45,838
Are you worried about reprisals? Are you
worried about how this is going to play among
992
01:08:45,862 --> 01:08:48,514
your professional
peers? I am worried that I
993
01:08:48,538 --> 01:08:51,190
can't have conversations
with any other peers.
994
01:08:51,250 --> 01:08:54,188
I don't know any other
peer that will speak
995
01:08:54,212 --> 01:08:57,150
to me around these
things, that question it.
996
01:08:57,200 --> 01:09:02,660
I just don't think developmentally this is helpful to our children.
997
01:09:03,290 --> 01:09:04,978
You step wrong as a therapist.
998
01:09:05,014 --> 01:09:07,537
You say the wrong thing
once and your bloody career
999
01:09:07,561 --> 01:09:09,982
is over and now it's the
same with physicians.
1000
01:09:10,066 --> 01:09:12,277
How's that going to work?
You're going to go have
1001
01:09:12,301 --> 01:09:14,744
an honest conversation
with your physician when he's
1002
01:09:14,768 --> 01:09:16,955
terrified out of his mind
if he'll say something
1003
01:09:16,979 --> 01:09:19,446
politically incorrect during
the diagnostic process.
1004
01:09:19,568 --> 01:09:22,470
Hey, man, you're sick with whatever you want to be.
1005
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:23,600
See you later.
1006
01:09:24,110 --> 01:09:26,645
You want a prescription
for something? I left
1007
01:09:26,669 --> 01:09:29,724
academia because the
climate had become too stifling
1008
01:09:29,748 --> 01:09:32,632
politically, especially
when it comes to the topic
1009
01:09:32,656 --> 01:09:35,362
of gender identity and
the science of gender.
1010
01:09:35,446 --> 01:09:38,538
It is absolutely impossible to do good research.
1011
01:09:38,624 --> 01:09:40,893
You basically have to decide
beforehand what you're
1012
01:09:40,917 --> 01:09:43,186
going to find so that
you don't upset activists.
1013
01:09:43,258 --> 01:09:44,974
And that is not how you do science.
1014
01:09:45,082 --> 01:09:48,171
Why has this shift occurred
where all of a sudden
1015
01:09:48,195 --> 01:09:51,091
gender and sex has
become so politically and
1016
01:09:51,115 --> 01:09:54,398
culturally charged?
There's a really ugly history
1017
01:09:54,422 --> 01:09:57,706
between sex researchers
and transgender activists.
1018
01:09:57,838 --> 01:10:04,806
In the past, if any sex researcher spoke out about science
that went against activist orthodoxy or particular narratives
1019
01:10:04,830 --> 01:10:08,126
that activists wanted to
promote, they would basically
1020
01:10:08,150 --> 01:10:11,446
have their personal and
professional reputations ruined.
1021
01:10:11,518 --> 01:10:13,461
So what you see is
that only experts who toe
1022
01:10:13,485 --> 01:10:15,702
the party line and say
the things that activists
1023
01:10:15,726 --> 01:10:18,058
like, those are the people
who get attention, those
1024
01:10:18,082 --> 01:10:20,274
are the people who get
lifted up in the media.
1025
01:10:20,372 --> 01:10:23,661
And also, I would say people are
incentivized to go along with the
1026
01:10:23,685 --> 01:10:27,430
activist narratives and gender
ideology because that helps their career.
1027
01:10:27,550 --> 01:10:28,818
Trans is very cool.
1028
01:10:28,964 --> 01:10:32,600
Trans is a way of giving yourself value.
1029
01:10:32,930 --> 01:10:36,106
Given the way society at the moment is functioning.
1030
01:10:36,178 --> 01:10:39,650
All of the things that used
to give us anchors of identity
1031
01:10:39,674 --> 01:10:43,146
have become very fluid or
very volatile in recent years.
1032
01:10:43,268 --> 01:10:46,989
And in that context, I
think what you find then is
1033
01:10:47,013 --> 01:10:50,734
new identities start to
fill the void of the vacuum.
1034
01:10:50,842 --> 01:10:54,400
Whereas in the past I might have
got my sense of self worth from
1035
01:10:54,424 --> 01:10:57,926
being part of the village where
I grew up, now I might get my
1036
01:10:57,950 --> 01:11:01,480
sense of self worth through
being part of the online community
1037
01:11:01,504 --> 01:11:05,034
that I connect with or part of
the sexual identity community.
1038
01:11:05,192 --> 01:11:09,883
So now we are seeing kids that
are identifying as animals going
1039
01:11:09,907 --> 01:11:14,598
to school, and they are purring
instead of answering questions.
1040
01:11:14,684 --> 01:11:18,241
And they Meow and the
teachers are not allowed to
1041
01:11:18,265 --> 01:11:22,342
question it because it's
considered a queer identity.
1042
01:11:22,486 --> 01:11:27,470
So you have kids that are going
to school and they're saying,
1043
01:11:27,494 --> 01:11:32,394
I'm a cat, and the teachers
have to affirm them as a cat.
1044
01:11:32,552 --> 01:11:33,260
Yes.
1045
01:11:34,790 --> 01:11:35,578
Literal zoos.
1046
01:11:35,614 --> 01:11:43,010
Now, basically they are I am a 27 year old transgender woman.
1047
01:11:43,190 --> 01:11:46,490
I am a Wolf theory and a member of the Furry fandom.
1048
01:11:46,610 --> 01:11:52,502
When and how did you discover this inner wolfness? Probably around age ten or eleven.
1049
01:11:52,586 --> 01:11:57,282
I was watching an anime about
Wolves and see the Wolf running across
1050
01:11:57,306 --> 01:12:02,002
the screen, and I'm somehow
just intrinsically like, oh, that's me.
1051
01:12:02,076 --> 01:12:05,340
Have you spent any time around biological Wolves? Yes.
1052
01:12:05,730 --> 01:12:06,914
That sounds dangerous.
1053
01:12:06,962 --> 01:12:10,490
Also, what context are you?
So I was a volunteer with
1054
01:12:10,514 --> 01:12:14,042
a preserve, and I've also
visited many Wolf preserves.
1055
01:12:14,186 --> 01:12:18,879
Are you able to communicate with the
Wolf? Am I going to have a conversation
1056
01:12:18,903 --> 01:12:23,470
with a Wolf in the way that I'm
communicating? You and I obviously not.
1057
01:12:23,580 --> 01:12:27,330
Am I going to read their body
language, respond appropriately
1058
01:12:27,354 --> 01:12:30,540
to their behaviors and
their nonverbal cues? Yes.
1059
01:12:30,990 --> 01:12:34,543
Would you be able to give
us an example of this Wolf
1060
01:12:34,567 --> 01:12:38,050
communication? No, I'm
not comfortable doing so.
1061
01:12:38,160 --> 01:12:38,542
Okay.
1062
01:12:38,616 --> 01:12:39,094
All right.
1063
01:12:39,192 --> 01:12:43,162
How exactly have these ideas
become pervasive? First of
1064
01:12:43,186 --> 01:12:47,673
all, I think we need to remember
that in the west, at least,
1065
01:12:47,697 --> 01:12:51,672
we have it drilled into our
minds from childhood onwards
1066
01:12:51,696 --> 01:12:56,178
that personal happiness is
the key to individual flourishing.
1067
01:12:56,274 --> 01:12:58,766
Secondly, we think of ourselves in psychological terms.
1068
01:12:58,828 --> 01:13:00,066
I am my feelings.
1069
01:13:00,198 --> 01:13:04,434
And in order for me to be happy, I have to be able to express my feelings.
1070
01:13:04,482 --> 01:13:08,430
I have to be outwardly that which I feel myself to be inwardly.
1071
01:13:08,550 --> 01:13:13,922
Thirdly, we're taught that interfering with somebody else's happiness is very bad.
1072
01:13:14,056 --> 01:13:17,199
We need to acknowledge that
there are powerful lobby groups,
1073
01:13:17,223 --> 01:13:20,740
powerful cultural and political
lobby groups driving this thing.
1074
01:13:21,070 --> 01:13:26,358
Hollywood is pressing LGBTQ plus matters in so many movies.
1075
01:13:26,514 --> 01:13:30,066
We're seeing it in the way Amazon sets up its algorithms.
1076
01:13:30,198 --> 01:13:33,518
There are all kinds of
factors in society that
1077
01:13:33,542 --> 01:13:36,862
are pushing what would
really be numerically a
1078
01:13:36,886 --> 01:13:40,206
fairly minority interest
into being one of the
1079
01:13:40,230 --> 01:13:43,550
main political focal
points of this generation.
1080
01:13:46,790 --> 01:13:49,750
After my operation, I will be a woman.
1081
01:13:49,870 --> 01:13:54,546
Why can't she just be a lesbian? Because she's not a lesbian mom.
1082
01:13:54,608 --> 01:13:55,806
She's a boy.
1083
01:13:55,988 --> 01:13:58,026
Because I was born in a girl's body.
1084
01:13:58,148 --> 01:14:04,255
Can I ask you a question? Why don't you kiss me? The
whole idea of social contagion, that there could be
1085
01:14:04,279 --> 01:14:07,175
something in one social
environment that could play
1086
01:14:07,199 --> 01:14:10,386
some role in somebody
coming out identifying as trans.
1087
01:14:10,448 --> 01:14:13,911
Would you say that that is
definitely part of your story?
1088
01:14:13,935 --> 01:14:17,336
When I look back, I don't
think I would have ever even
1089
01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:21,294
considered seeing myself as a
boy without these social aspects,
1090
01:14:21,318 --> 01:14:24,870
especially if I hadn't joined
these online communities.
1091
01:14:26,630 --> 01:14:28,426
I identify as non binary.
1092
01:14:28,498 --> 01:14:30,870
I'll officially be changing my pronouns to theyh them.
1093
01:14:30,920 --> 01:14:34,354
My pronouns are Dhamm and demonstrate selfs.
1094
01:14:34,402 --> 01:14:36,894
I've been going by they them pronouns for four years now.
1095
01:14:36,932 --> 01:14:40,306
I'm pretty comfortable pronounced.
1096
01:14:40,378 --> 01:14:44,214
There was literally a period of a few weeks to a few months.
1097
01:14:44,312 --> 01:14:46,509
I started out as an
ally, and then eventually
1098
01:14:46,533 --> 01:14:48,730
I was starting to
identify as transgender.
1099
01:14:48,790 --> 01:14:49,918
We are transmitted.
1100
01:14:49,954 --> 01:14:52,820
So they go on the Internet
and they're told that all
1101
01:14:52,844 --> 01:14:55,710
their problems will be
solved if they become a man.
1102
01:14:55,820 --> 01:14:57,214
Kids are being taught.
1103
01:14:57,322 --> 01:15:00,222
You might feel like you're
a boy, even if you have a
1104
01:15:00,246 --> 01:15:03,546
vagina and you're a girl,
you are what you feel you are.
1105
01:15:03,608 --> 01:15:06,502
Some people are girls, some are boys, some are both, some are neither.
1106
01:15:06,586 --> 01:15:10,426
Gender is all about how we feel on the inside and how we express ourselves.
1107
01:15:10,558 --> 01:15:12,346
Ah, the gender fluid teacher.
1108
01:15:12,418 --> 01:15:15,610
What do I go by in the classroom? I go by teacher fan BRAINI.
1109
01:15:15,670 --> 01:15:17,761
As a queer and trans
teacher, my agenda is to
1110
01:15:17,785 --> 01:15:20,114
show little boys that
they don't have to be like
1111
01:15:20,138 --> 01:15:22,492
esteriotypically masculine,
that they can paint
1112
01:15:22,516 --> 01:15:24,870
their nails and wear
earrings and still be a guy.
1113
01:15:24,920 --> 01:15:25,986
And it can be cool.
1114
01:15:26,048 --> 01:15:31,028
Do you worry that there could be
a sort of social contagion element of
1115
01:15:31,052 --> 01:15:36,610
this? A teeny tiny bit, maybe? Looking
back on it, it was the same pattern.
1116
01:15:36,670 --> 01:15:41,362
Just kids who were really struggling, kids who were very alone and isolated.
1117
01:15:41,446 --> 01:15:42,550
They have anxiety.
1118
01:15:42,670 --> 01:15:44,398
They don't fit in with their peers.
1119
01:15:44,554 --> 01:15:46,726
They don't know where they belong.
1120
01:15:46,858 --> 01:15:49,470
Maybe they didn't have a welcoming family life.
1121
01:15:49,580 --> 01:15:52,146
They just got caught up in these communities online.
1122
01:15:52,268 --> 01:15:57,198
Then they discover, hey, there's this group of people and they also don't fit in.
1123
01:15:57,224 --> 01:15:57,762
They're different.
1124
01:15:57,836 --> 01:15:59,262
They're not sure who they are.
1125
01:15:59,336 --> 01:16:01,122
Gee, that's where I fit in.
1126
01:16:01,196 --> 01:16:04,054
Today is the day before my top surgery.
1127
01:16:04,162 --> 01:16:05,958
I am waking up tomorrow at 05:00 A.m.
1128
01:16:06,044 --> 01:16:08,230
To have a subcutaneous mastectomy.
1129
01:16:08,350 --> 01:16:12,320
We're telling children when
they haven't fully developed that
1130
01:16:12,344 --> 01:16:16,314
all you have to do is medically
transition and you fit in.
1131
01:16:16,412 --> 01:16:18,150
I was one of those kids.
1132
01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:20,310
It got me at 42.
1133
01:16:20,480 --> 01:16:23,660
Your child doesn't have a chance.
1134
01:16:27,870 --> 01:16:30,110
This is only going in one direction.
1135
01:16:30,290 --> 01:16:39,906
You will respect us as parents come to understand more about gender identity.
1136
01:16:39,978 --> 01:16:41,886
Kids are coming out at younger ages.
1137
01:16:41,958 --> 01:16:43,026
It's exciting.
1138
01:16:43,218 --> 01:16:46,722
And you know who gets it right is the next generation.
1139
01:16:46,866 --> 01:16:50,921
The next generation who's
already telling us that our antiquated
1140
01:16:50,945 --> 01:16:55,000
ideas of things have to be a
certain way just don't apply to them.
1141
01:16:56,230 --> 01:16:59,238
They're rejecting a lot of our social mores.
1142
01:16:59,334 --> 01:17:00,760
They are tweaking the system.
1143
01:17:05,270 --> 01:17:09,678
I just don't think it's realistic to put this decision on them.
1144
01:17:25,410 --> 01:17:27,790
I'm a physician and I use medication.
1145
01:17:28,170 --> 01:17:28,606
Certainly.
1146
01:17:28,668 --> 01:17:30,758
It's a bit of a Faustian bargain.
1147
01:17:30,914 --> 01:17:34,210
Puberty blockers, which are completely reversible.
1148
01:17:36,970 --> 01:17:41,154
You keep invoking the word truth, which is condescending.
1149
01:17:41,202 --> 01:17:45,590
And Ruth, some women have penises, right? Some men have vaginas.
1150
01:17:46,870 --> 01:17:50,357
Does the chicken cry? Does
a chicken commit suicide?
1151
01:17:50,381 --> 01:17:53,800
I'm not a woman, but I
can't really answer that.
1152
01:17:54,490 --> 01:17:56,620
I guess because I got it there.
1153
01:18:13,770 --> 01:18:16,870
Somehow this madness has affected our entire society.
1154
01:18:18,210 --> 01:18:22,320
Am I the crazy one? I'm done asking questions.
1155
01:18:27,850 --> 01:18:31,698
Tanner Cross is on administrative leave for what he said about gender identity.
1156
01:18:31,794 --> 01:18:35,790
He said he would not call a student who is transgender by their preferred pronoun.
1157
01:18:35,850 --> 01:18:39,961
I can't lie to children, and I got to
also represent a whole community that
1158
01:18:39,985 --> 01:18:44,486
believes in biological facts and scientific
facts, and I can't do that to kids.
1159
01:18:44,548 --> 01:18:46,262
You get into teaching because you love kids.
1160
01:18:46,336 --> 01:18:51,302
This policy started coming into play and I was like, wait a minute, it's causing me.
1161
01:18:51,376 --> 01:18:54,410
I'm going to have to lie to my kids the ones I've always wanted to protect.
1162
01:18:54,520 --> 01:18:59,733
Do we have assaults in our bathrooms
and our locker rooms regularly? To my
1163
01:18:59,757 --> 01:19:04,970
knowledge, we don't have any records
of assaults occurring in our restroom.
1164
01:19:10,610 --> 01:19:14,142
The predator transgender student is or person.
1165
01:19:14,336 --> 01:19:16,114
Simply, it does not exist.
1166
01:19:16,222 --> 01:19:19,637
The Virginia Department of Education
says it is now reviewing whether the
1167
01:19:19,661 --> 01:19:23,362
Loudon County School District has
properly reported cases of sexual assault.
1168
01:19:23,386 --> 01:19:27,197
This comes after a 15 year old was
charged on two separate occasions
1169
01:19:27,221 --> 01:19:30,690
for assaulting two different
students at different schools.
1170
01:19:32,450 --> 01:19:36,346
Dozens rallying Center Loudon County to protest the school's policies.
1171
01:19:36,418 --> 01:19:38,704
So that includes limiting
who can talk during
1172
01:19:38,728 --> 01:19:41,014
public comment portions
of board meetings.
1173
01:19:41,122 --> 01:19:44,190
One speaker leased property in the area just so he could speak.
1174
01:19:44,240 --> 01:19:47,482
Tonight, Fox Five Paris Jones'live with the details.
1175
01:19:47,566 --> 01:19:47,994
That's right.
1176
01:19:48,032 --> 01:19:51,449
Conservative commentator
Matt Wallace told me he's leasing
1177
01:19:51,473 --> 01:19:54,890
out someone's basement in
Loudoun County so he'd be able
1178
01:19:54,914 --> 01:19:58,358
to speak during tonight's
meeting, I decided last week to
1179
01:19:58,382 --> 01:20:02,134
fulfill my lifelong dream of
being a Loudon County resident.
1180
01:20:02,242 --> 01:20:05,254
I've always felt like I lived in Tennessee.
1181
01:20:05,302 --> 01:20:08,746
I felt sort of like a Virginian trapped in a Tennessee.
1182
01:20:08,758 --> 01:20:12,282
In his body, I identified sort of state fluid, I guess.
1183
01:20:12,356 --> 01:20:14,002
This is Matt Wall, she tweeted.
1184
01:20:14,086 --> 01:20:18,305
How do you do, fellow Virginians?
Now I just got explained to my
1185
01:20:18,329 --> 01:20:22,950
wife and kids that we're going to
be staying in someone's basement.
1186
01:20:27,990 --> 01:20:31,866
They tried to muzzle me by
not allowing me to speak, and
1187
01:20:31,890 --> 01:20:36,190
when that didn't work, they
tried to muzzle me with a mask.
1188
01:20:38,950 --> 01:20:40,614
I would thank you all
for allowing me to speak
1189
01:20:40,638 --> 01:20:42,302
to you tonight, but
you tried not to allow it.
1190
01:20:42,316 --> 01:20:43,360
Yet here I am.
1191
01:20:43,870 --> 01:20:45,282
Now, you only give us 60 seconds.
1192
01:20:45,306 --> 01:20:46,574
So let me get to the point.
1193
01:20:46,732 --> 01:20:48,498
You are all child abusers.
1194
01:20:48,654 --> 01:20:51,266
You prey upon impressionable
children and indoctrinate
1195
01:20:51,290 --> 01:20:53,604
them into your insane
ideological cult, a cult
1196
01:20:53,628 --> 01:20:56,316
which holds many fanatical
views, but none so deranged
1197
01:20:56,340 --> 01:20:58,926
as the idea that boys
are girls and girls or boys.
1198
01:20:59,118 --> 01:21:01,517
By imposing this vile
nonsense on students to the
1199
01:21:01,541 --> 01:21:04,341
point even of forcing young
girls to share locker rooms
1200
01:21:04,365 --> 01:21:07,141
with boys, you deprive these
kids of safety and Privacy
1201
01:21:07,165 --> 01:21:09,890
and something more
fundamental, too, which is truth.
1202
01:21:10,270 --> 01:21:13,530
If education is not grounded in truth, then it is worthless.
1203
01:21:13,710 --> 01:21:15,198
Worse, it is poison.
1204
01:21:15,354 --> 01:21:16,746
You are poison.
1205
01:21:16,938 --> 01:21:18,306
You are predators.
1206
01:21:18,438 --> 01:21:20,186
I can see why you try to stop us from speaking.
1207
01:21:20,248 --> 01:21:22,326
You know that your ideas are indefensible.
1208
01:21:22,518 --> 01:21:25,566
You silence the opposing side because you have no argument.
1209
01:21:25,758 --> 01:21:28,315
You can only hide under
your beds like pathetic
1210
01:21:28,339 --> 01:21:31,454
little gutless cowards, hoping
we shut up and go away.
1211
01:21:31,492 --> 01:21:35,380
But we won't, I promise you that.
1212
01:21:48,150 --> 01:21:51,010
Johnny is a boy with a big imagination.
1213
01:21:52,890 --> 01:22:01,674
One day he's a dog, the next day a crustacean Johnny's mom loves her son's.
1214
01:22:01,722 --> 01:22:08,480
Make believe time you're Johnny the Walrus till you change your mind.
1215
01:22:10,430 --> 01:22:12,954
Matt Walsh is out with a new children's book.
1216
01:22:12,992 --> 01:22:15,250
The book is called Johnny the Walrus.
1217
01:22:15,310 --> 01:22:19,974
What is this about? It's sold out on Amazon in a few hours.
1218
01:22:20,072 --> 01:22:23,818
I have embraced my true calling as a children's author, hence the cardigan.
1219
01:22:23,854 --> 01:22:28,222
The book is about a little boy who is very imaginative and playful.
1220
01:22:28,366 --> 01:22:31,247
I have four kids and they all
have an imagination and he likes to
1221
01:22:31,271 --> 01:22:34,558
pretend to be different things, and
one day he pretends to be a walrus.
1222
01:22:34,714 --> 01:22:38,974
And unfortunately, his mother is very progressive and thus confused.
1223
01:22:39,022 --> 01:22:42,974
And so she's convinced by the
Internet and by society that if your
1224
01:22:42,998 --> 01:22:46,950
child is identifying as something,
then he really is that thing.
1225
01:22:47,060 --> 01:22:50,403
And so she tries to raise
her child as a walrus, as
1226
01:22:50,427 --> 01:22:53,770
a sort of trans walrus,
respecting his self identity.
1227
01:22:53,830 --> 01:22:57,913
One morning he came downstairs
barking and clapping wood spoons
1228
01:22:57,937 --> 01:23:01,822
for tusks and sock, fins of
flapping it spoons his mouth.
1229
01:23:01,846 --> 01:23:03,390
He's pretending to be a walrus.
1230
01:23:04,550 --> 01:23:07,570
I'm Johnny the Walrus, he said with Aurora.
1231
01:23:07,690 --> 01:23:10,590
Johnny the Walrus.
1232
01:23:17,310 --> 01:23:19,574
This is a hot topic.
1233
01:23:19,742 --> 01:23:21,850
That's a good thing, right? Yeah, absolutely.
1234
01:23:22,020 --> 01:23:23,738
It's good for us to have these conversations.
1235
01:23:23,834 --> 01:23:27,170
People open their minds and relearn and unlearn to what we've been taught.
1236
01:23:27,230 --> 01:23:30,840
So I want this to be a safe place to talk about and learn.
1237
01:23:31,950 --> 01:23:36,410
As you can see, there's an ongoing evolution of language and how people can identify.
1238
01:23:36,530 --> 01:23:39,982
My next guest, author and
conservative host of Daily
1239
01:23:40,006 --> 01:23:43,254
The Matt Walsh Show,
talking about his recently
1240
01:23:43,278 --> 01:23:46,492
published children's
book that has since been
1241
01:23:46,516 --> 01:23:49,730
removed online by a
popular large retail chain.
1242
01:23:49,910 --> 01:23:57,010
Now, Matt says gender is not a social construct, but rooted firmly in biology.
1243
01:23:57,330 --> 01:23:58,618
True, true.
1244
01:23:58,704 --> 01:24:00,641
As human beings,
we have a sex, male or
1245
01:24:00,665 --> 01:24:03,166
female, but it's a
biological, scientific fact.
1246
01:24:03,288 --> 01:24:05,522
Now, gender is a linguistic term.
1247
01:24:05,666 --> 01:24:06,734
Words have gender.
1248
01:24:06,782 --> 01:24:09,273
People don't you can have
whatever self perception
1249
01:24:09,297 --> 01:24:11,431
you want, but you
can't expect me to take
1250
01:24:11,455 --> 01:24:13,973
part in that self
perception or to take part in
1251
01:24:13,997 --> 01:24:16,514
this kind of charade,
this theatrical production.
1252
01:24:16,682 --> 01:24:19,034
You don't get your own
pronouns, just like you don't
1253
01:24:19,058 --> 01:24:21,410
get your own prepositions
or your own adjectives.
1254
01:24:21,530 --> 01:24:26,438
It's like if I were to tell you my adjectives are handsome and brilliant.
1255
01:24:26,474 --> 01:24:29,036
And whatever you're talking
about me, you have to describe
1256
01:24:29,060 --> 01:24:31,622
me as handsome and brilliant
because that's how I identify.
1257
01:24:31,766 --> 01:24:35,722
So you think it's a delusion? Well, this
is one of the problems with this left wing
1258
01:24:35,746 --> 01:24:37,906
gender ideology is that
no one who espouses
1259
01:24:37,930 --> 01:24:40,090
it can even tell you
what these words means.
1260
01:24:40,140 --> 01:24:44,654
Like what is a woman? Can you tell me what a woman is? No, I can't.
1261
01:24:44,822 --> 01:24:47,714
Womanhood is something that is an umbrella term.
1262
01:24:47,822 --> 01:24:53,174
It includes people that describes what people who identify as a woman.
1263
01:24:53,342 --> 01:24:55,980
What is that? What's to each their own.
1264
01:24:56,550 --> 01:24:59,104
Each man, each person is
going to have a different relation
1265
01:24:59,128 --> 01:25:01,682
with their own gender
identity and define it differently.
1266
01:25:01,766 --> 01:25:02,734
You want to reduce women.
1267
01:25:02,772 --> 01:25:04,779
You want to reduce
men down to maybe just
1268
01:25:04,803 --> 01:25:07,214
their genetics, our
genitals, our chromosomes.
1269
01:25:07,262 --> 01:25:08,866
Right? That's what you want to do.
1270
01:25:09,048 --> 01:25:11,414
What you want to do is appropriate woman.
1271
01:25:11,522 --> 01:25:13,946
You want to appropriate
womanhood and turn it
1272
01:25:13,970 --> 01:25:16,394
into basically a costume
that could be worn.
1273
01:25:16,502 --> 01:25:18,286
Joining us on stage is Dr.
1274
01:25:18,348 --> 01:25:21,926
Susie Denbo, associate professor at Kent State University.
1275
01:25:21,998 --> 01:25:26,067
Doctor Denbo, how do you feel
those who oppose using pronouns are
1276
01:25:26,091 --> 01:25:30,159
taking the wrong approach in this
conversation? There's the extreme
1277
01:25:30,183 --> 01:25:34,341
approach that you are admittedly
taking, and then there's also just
1278
01:25:34,365 --> 01:25:38,902
ordinary people that might not be
comfortable with the language change.
1279
01:25:38,976 --> 01:25:41,186
She began by saying that my view is extreme.
1280
01:25:41,258 --> 01:25:41,458
Okay.
1281
01:25:41,484 --> 01:25:43,879
So the view that every
single person on Earth
1282
01:25:43,903 --> 01:25:46,298
has held up until 15
seconds ago is extreme.
1283
01:25:46,394 --> 01:25:49,712
They are conflating gender and sex
because on one hand, they say, well, you
1284
01:25:49,736 --> 01:25:53,054
got your biological sex, but then
your gender is whatever social construct.
1285
01:25:53,162 --> 01:25:56,146
But then they turn around and say that trans women are women.
1286
01:25:56,328 --> 01:25:59,104
So a man who identifies
with the gender, the
1287
01:25:59,128 --> 01:26:02,357
social construct of
womanhood actually is a woman
1288
01:26:02,381 --> 01:26:05,318
part of me wants to ask
why you care so much,
1289
01:26:05,342 --> 01:26:08,280
because it's really
not that big of a deal.
1290
01:26:09,570 --> 01:26:10,958
I care about the truth.
1291
01:26:11,114 --> 01:26:12,482
So basic truth matters.
1292
01:26:12,506 --> 01:26:14,522
I want to live in a society where people care about the truth.
1293
01:26:14,606 --> 01:26:18,768
I care about children, and
these insane ideas about gender
1294
01:26:18,792 --> 01:26:22,954
are being foisted on kids,
and that bothers me quite a bit.
1295
01:26:23,052 --> 01:26:26,590
I care about the women who are having their opportunities stolen from them.
1296
01:26:26,640 --> 01:26:27,418
I care quite a bit.
1297
01:26:27,444 --> 01:26:27,670
Yeah.
1298
01:26:27,720 --> 01:26:32,446
I wanted us to have a safe place to be able to talk about this.
1299
01:26:32,508 --> 01:26:35,912
And it seems like we
should just keep the dialogue
1300
01:26:35,936 --> 01:26:39,130
going and hopefully
find some middle ground.
1301
01:27:17,450 --> 01:27:20,908
What do you say to parents?
A parent comes to you and
1302
01:27:20,932 --> 01:27:24,390
says, My eight year old
son is telling me he's a girl.
1303
01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:29,089
Great, you're going to have him do an
experimental procedure that creates the most
1304
01:27:29,113 --> 01:27:33,586
suicidal ideation of any other population
seven to ten years after transition.
1305
01:27:33,718 --> 01:27:35,590
And here's what I tell parents.
1306
01:27:35,770 --> 01:27:42,546
You don't have the right to medically transition your child.
1307
01:27:42,668 --> 01:27:46,902
We have no research on long term hormone use.
1308
01:27:46,976 --> 01:27:51,006
We will be seeing the first generation of long term hormone use.
1309
01:27:51,188 --> 01:27:53,677
And we already know,
at least with ten years
1310
01:27:53,701 --> 01:27:56,190
of hormones, you're
giving yourself cancer.
1311
01:27:57,110 --> 01:27:59,549
What's your message to parents
who are trying to cope with
1312
01:27:59,573 --> 01:28:02,398
this? The first thing is to tell
parents that they're not alone.
1313
01:28:02,494 --> 01:28:06,318
It is our responsibility as a parent to be the front line defense for our children.
1314
01:28:06,404 --> 01:28:08,991
And I know with my child,
a lot of people will say,
1315
01:28:09,015 --> 01:28:11,601
Was it worth it because
you now seemingly have lost
1316
01:28:11,625 --> 01:28:14,290
your child? And I'll say,
yeah, but at least I saved
1317
01:28:14,314 --> 01:28:16,822
my conscience and my
morals and my convictions.
1318
01:28:16,906 --> 01:28:21,054
And when my child turns 25 and says, dad, where were you? I'll say, I was there.
1319
01:28:21,092 --> 01:28:22,554
I was fighting as hard as I could.
1320
01:28:22,592 --> 01:28:24,560
I was not prepared to let this happen.
1321
01:28:32,710 --> 01:28:37,453
This really matters is another
question matters for those
1322
01:28:37,477 --> 01:28:42,050
who are getting double
mastectomies when they're 16.
1323
01:28:42,430 --> 01:28:45,178
Why should we care if
we live in a society where
1324
01:28:45,202 --> 01:28:48,420
gender is? Well, I cared
because my government decided
1325
01:28:48,444 --> 01:28:51,339
that I had to call people
by the terms that they
1326
01:28:51,363 --> 01:28:54,258
designated or I'd be
subject to legal penalties.
1327
01:28:54,414 --> 01:28:58,540
It's like, no, I'm not doing that.
1328
01:28:59,290 --> 01:29:01,180
I don't care what your reason is.
1329
01:29:01,750 --> 01:29:03,762
You don't get control of my tongue.
1330
01:29:03,906 --> 01:29:08,770
We live in a climate now in which no one
seems to care about the safety of women and
1331
01:29:08,794 --> 01:29:13,658
girls who are going through a very
developmentally challenging time in their lives.
1332
01:29:13,804 --> 01:29:16,794
They may not want to share spaces with their male peers.
1333
01:29:16,902 --> 01:29:17,838
I would not be surprised.
1334
01:29:17,874 --> 01:29:21,366
In a few years, there will no longer be women's sports.
1335
01:29:21,498 --> 01:29:25,350
It will literally be men's sports and transgender sports.
1336
01:29:25,470 --> 01:29:28,886
The question being asked by the trans person is a legitimate one.
1337
01:29:28,948 --> 01:29:33,425
How can I be happy? The answer being
given by having my body transformed
1338
01:29:33,449 --> 01:29:37,925
to look like the other gender, by
having myself pumped full of hormones
1339
01:29:37,949 --> 01:29:42,426
clearly isn't working, and we have
to find a better and the more humane
1340
01:29:42,450 --> 01:29:46,926
way of dealing with individuals who
are struggling with gender dysphoria.
1341
01:29:47,058 --> 01:29:53,946
I have the utmost compassion for people who suffer from gender dysphoria.
1342
01:29:54,018 --> 01:29:57,582
It's a nightmare for them and their families.
1343
01:29:57,726 --> 01:30:01,142
The vast majority, up to 90% of kids.
1344
01:30:01,216 --> 01:30:05,078
If they go through a normal puberty, they're going to be okay.
1345
01:30:05,224 --> 01:30:09,528
They will be at peace with their
bodies, and they will have avoided
1346
01:30:09,552 --> 01:30:13,790
dangerous and experimental
medical interventions and surgeries.
1347
01:30:14,350 --> 01:30:18,073
Maybe we're up against a
battle here, up against a Hill
1348
01:30:18,097 --> 01:30:21,820
that perhaps we're not
going to necessarily win today.
1349
01:30:22,210 --> 01:30:26,500
But if we don't pave the way for a win, we'll never get there.
1350
01:30:28,910 --> 01:30:30,570
So we're going on this journey.
1351
01:30:31,310 --> 01:30:32,278
Boys can be girls.
1352
01:30:32,314 --> 01:30:33,406
Girls can be boys.
1353
01:30:33,538 --> 01:30:34,314
Men can be women.
1354
01:30:34,352 --> 01:30:35,420
Women can be men.
1355
01:30:35,750 --> 01:30:41,404
It makes me wonder, what is a woman?
What is a woman? A woman is someone
1356
01:30:41,428 --> 01:30:47,082
who claims that as their identity, it
could be many things to many people.
1357
01:30:47,216 --> 01:30:54,493
I think the question really brings up the fact
that it is pretty relative, right? That if you ask
1358
01:30:54,517 --> 01:30:58,411
women across race, across
identities, across class,
1359
01:30:58,435 --> 01:31:02,250
across culture, you will
get a different answer.
1360
01:31:02,360 --> 01:31:06,538
Some of it is based on biology, some of it is based on hormones.
1361
01:31:06,574 --> 01:31:11,082
Some of it is based on what you wear and how you present yourself.
1362
01:31:11,216 --> 01:31:13,002
A woman is not anything in particular.
1363
01:31:13,136 --> 01:31:14,694
There's no one particular thing.
1364
01:31:14,792 --> 01:31:16,698
There is not one particular thing.
1365
01:31:16,844 --> 01:31:21,862
A woman is someone who says that she is a woman and transitions to be a woman.
1366
01:31:21,886 --> 01:31:28,503
She says that she's what? Can
you define the word woman without
1367
01:31:28,527 --> 01:31:36,000
using the word woman? Actually
kind of like it's a curious question.
1368
01:31:43,150 --> 01:31:45,424
We've been journeying
across the country asking
1369
01:31:45,448 --> 01:31:48,220
people this question, and
almost nobody can answer it.
1370
01:31:49,510 --> 01:31:53,020
What is a woman? What is a woman? Marry one and find out.
1371
01:31:54,910 --> 01:31:56,798
So I should go home and ask my wife, I guess.
1372
01:31:56,884 --> 01:31:57,520
Yeah.
1373
01:32:08,390 --> 01:32:10,820
I mean, to ask you something.
1374
01:32:15,166 --> 01:32:16,333
What is a woman?
1375
01:32:22,118 --> 01:32:23,518
An adult human female
1376
01:32:25,857 --> 01:32:27,724
Who needs help opening this.
1377
01:33:06,490 --> 01:33:11,457
Can you provide a definition
for the word woman?
1378
01:33:11,481 --> 01:33:16,130
Can I provide a
definition? Yeah, I can't.
1379
01:33:16,450 --> 01:33:21,402
You can't not in this context.
1380
01:33:21,486 --> 01:33:24,799
I'm not in biology of the
word woman is so unclear
1381
01:33:24,823 --> 01:33:28,610
and controversial that you
can't give me a definition.
1382
01:33:28,990 --> 01:33:36,114
Senator, in my work as a judge, what I do is I address disputes.
1383
01:33:36,222 --> 01:33:41,916
If there's a dispute about a
definition, people make arguments and I
1384
01:33:41,940 --> 01:33:48,061
look at the law and I decide the
fact that you can't give me a straight
1385
01:33:48,085 --> 01:33:54,290
answer about something as fundamental
as what a woman is underscores the
1386
01:33:54,314 --> 01:34:00,520
dangers of the kind of progressive
education that we are hearing about.
1387
01:34:00,910 --> 01:34:04,831
Just last week, an entire
generation of young
1388
01:34:04,855 --> 01:34:09,313
girls watched as our
taxpayer funded institutions
1389
01:34:09,337 --> 01:34:13,653
permitted a biological
man to compete and beat a
1390
01:34:13,677 --> 01:34:18,546
biological woman in the
NCAA swimming Championships.
1391
01:34:30,130 --> 01:34:30,642
Senator.
1392
01:34:30,666 --> 01:34:33,606
I'm not sure what message that sends.
1393
01:34:33,738 --> 01:34:37,000
If you're asking me about the legal issues related to it.
1394
01:34:38,410 --> 01:34:42,018
Those are topics that are being hotly discussed.
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As you say could come to the court.
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