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(ethereal electronic music)
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(intriguing electronic music)
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(eerie electronic music)
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- [Ron] I'm sitting in these rooms alone
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with people who have run
secret weapons programs,
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interrogated terrorists,
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protected closely guarded
secrets as a profession,
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and all I can think about
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is getting them to tell me something
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they don't want me to know.
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(eerie electronic music continues)
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- It's gonna take somebody
at the executive level to do it,
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or there's gonna be an
incredible leak somewhere
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that somebody's conscience,
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and they don't end up committing suicide
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by 12 bullet holes to the
back of the head kinda thing.
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(camera shutter clicks)
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- [Narrator] The UFO reality
can no longer be denied.
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(camera shutter clicking)
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The secret has been managed and guarded
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by a select few for over 75 years.
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Advanced technology, biological
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and physical materials have been recovered.
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(camera shutter clicking)
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They've been secretly studied
by compartmentalized factions
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within both government and industry.
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These claims are not new,
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but you are about to
see undeniable evidence
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and previously unpublished accounts
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that make this case
stronger than ever before.
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(camera shutter clicks)
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Somewhere between fact and denial,
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you are about to discover
an accidental truth.
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(explosion blasts)
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(people chatter on radio)
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(helicopter whirring)
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(people chatter on radio)
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(helicopter whirring)
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(machine beeping)
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In 2017, the UFO subject
exploded into the mainstream.
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- [Pilot] There's a whole fleet of 'em.
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(indistinct)
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Whoa! Got 'em! (laughing)
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Woo hoo! - Roger.
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- [Narrator] The New York
Times broke a front-page story
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about a shadowy government
program studying UFOs.
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- October 2017, Leslie Kean,
who's a notable expert on UFOs,
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who was invited to a very
private conference in Washington
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with Lue Elizondo and some other people,
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Chris Mellon, to discuss UFOs.
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Lue Elizondo had just
submitted his resignation
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in October 2017
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as the head of this very
secretive Pentagon UFO office.
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- Program was established.
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It was initially called AAWSAP,
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Advanced Aerospace Weapons
Sensor Application Program,
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and very quickly evolved,
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morphed into the more
common vernacular AATIP,
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Advanced Aerospace
Threat Identification Program.
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I was brought in initially to come in
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to run the counterintelligence
and security piece
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for this effort in 2008.
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In 2010, I was asked by the former director
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to run this program.
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The program was then taken out of DIA
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and up to the OSD level,
of the Secretary of Defense.
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- The Pentagon had this
secret UFO monitoring agency
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which nobody knew about.
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- New York Times, Politico
and, followed by them,
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everyone else covering the UFO subject
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suddenly with seriousness,
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suddenly talking about
encounters by the U.S. Navy
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with objects that are
supposed to be impossible.
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- The government is investigating UFOs.
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Well, I almost crashed my car.
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- [Narrator] Three cryptic
videos were released
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that claim to show unknown objects
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operating in military airspace
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while defying known
capabilities of flight and physics.
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- There are more of them
that have not been released.
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These were only snippets, by the way,
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and we knew that, but
we were happy to get them,
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and they caused quite a stir.
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- [Narrator] Lue Elizondo
made the media rounds
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with shocking statements.
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- My personal belief is that
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there is very compelling
evidence that we may not be alone.
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- Our cosmic neighborhood
may be a hell of a lot bigger,
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and oh, by the way, we
might, might have neighbors.
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That's a profound moment.
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- [Narrator] At the 2018 symposium
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of the Mutual UFO
Network, behind closed doors,
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he went beyond his public
statements to drop a bombshell.
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- Sometimes people may have associated you
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as being fringe or being out there,
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and all along you were right.
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- [Narrator] One of the
pilots who engaged the craft,
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Commander David Fravor,
chimed in with bold statements
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inferring other worldly origins
of the mysterious phenomena.
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- I believe, as do the other
folks that were on the flight
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when we visually saw it,
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that it was something not from this world.
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- You are talking to a pilot
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who is looking at you with
complete bewilderment
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as to looking to you for answers.
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They're asking you, "Sir, what was this?"
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- Congress is now
looking at the possibility
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of national security
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that the military is now
owning up to hours of videotapes
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taken by Navy pilots.
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There's been a sea
change. Things are changing.
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People are more open to the idea that,
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yeah, maybe we're not
alone in the universe.
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- [Narrator] We were
given an updated phrase
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to describe it all:
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Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon.
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- They're calling them UAP sometimes,
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sometimes UFOs, sometimes UAP.
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It's a kind of a rebranding
to a a certain extent
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and a redefinition of
what the phenomenon is.
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- [Narrator] A new
group called To the Stars
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Academy of Arts and
Sciences was introduced.
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- We are To the Stars
Academy of Arts and Science,
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a public benefit corporation.
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- [Narrator] The group was co-founded
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by rockstar Tom DeLonge.
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- I was working my way through NASA,
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the Department of Defense,
and various other agencies.
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- [Narrator] Its members spoke out,
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hinting of unprecedented openness
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and straight answers about the topic.
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But who are these people really?
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Dr. Hal Puthoff, former
CIA Operations Officer,
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Jim Semivan, a 50-year veteran of NASA,
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the CIA, and the National Security Agency.
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Steve Justice, former director
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of Lockheed Martin Skunk Works,
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Christopher Mellon,
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former Undersecretary
of Defense for Intelligence.
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Lue Elizondo,
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fresh from a controversial
Pentagon resignation.
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Was anybody going to share anything
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that brought us concrete answers?
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- It was the first time I really digested
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the enormity of the
national security implications
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of the UFO subject.
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- The CIA and all these people
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associated with the Skunk Works
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and the other intelligence agencies,
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you're not the right people
to come out with this,
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you're really not, because you're the ones
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that have been lying to us for 70 years.
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- We haven't trusted these
individual agencies ever.
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In fact, they've always
teased our community.
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- We are dealing with insiders.
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We are dealing with people
who have been in government,
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the military, the intelligence community,
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have access to classified information.
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But those people, all of them,
will have to be very careful.
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- For us to just go ahead and spew out
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to satisfy the idle curiosity
of a few, that's not our job.
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Our job is to protect
this nation from enemies,
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foreign and domestic.
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- For what it's worth, I
see it that they were trying
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to make progress on this within government,
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they took it as far as they could,
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and then they realized that, really,
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the only way to move it further forward
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was to leave government
and do it outside of that.
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- [Narrator] Some believe that this
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new rollout of information
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was a cleverly crafted set of events
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being orchestrated by hidden
hands, an evasive faction,
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who has controlled this
information for years.
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- I'm not a believer in
the conspiracy theory
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that this is some plot to leak it
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to the New York Times and all that.
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Too many elements came
together completely serendipitously,
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and looking back, you
can try to make a case
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that this was all orchestrated
and not at all true.
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- I think that this was
definitely something
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that was organized, thought out long term.
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Again, I think they know
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and they're trying to
get ahead of something.
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I use the analogy of a
snowball at the top of a hill,
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and it starts out really small,
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and as it rolls down, it's
gonna get bigger and bigger,
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and I think they're trying
to get ahead of that.
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- You can't talk about this subject
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with the government background
without being the bad guy.
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In some people's minds eye,
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it just comes with the territory.
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- I refuse to discuss anything classified
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I took an oath which is,
by the way, a lifelong oath.
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As I've told people before, don't ask me,
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'cause I'm not gonna tell you.
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- Lue is in a tough spot,
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because he knows a lot of things that...
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He came out of the intelligence community.
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He probably still, undoubtedly,
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still has connections to
the intelligence community,
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so he can't say everything
he knows or has been privy to.
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- These people promoting
this agenda of UFO openness,
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not disclosure, but openness,
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they have enemies
within that establishment.
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So we're not talking
about a unified message.
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- It's very uncomfortable,
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especially if you've lived a life
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where anonymity has been your friend.
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- We have every right to know the truth,
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and it's not okay that
they're holding that back.
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- It is not a fun place to be.
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In fact, if I had any opportunity
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for anybody else to stand
up and take my place,
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I would do it.
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- There are a lot of people
that want this information out,
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and there are a lot of people
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that don't want this information out.
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The level of pushback
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that Harry Reid shared with me on camera
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when he tried to launch
this investigatory arm
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into creating AATIP, he
said he got so much pushback
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from the intelligence agencies,
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that they tried to destroy people.
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They really did not want this to happen.
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(tense music)
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- [Narrator] After
the initial media flurry,
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the Pentagon promised a report
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that might shed some light on the subject.
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- Do you expect to see
real answers in this report?
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What do you think?
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- Look, honestly, I don't think so, Jake.
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- [Narrator] The public
only received a few pages
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of inconclusive information.
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A more elaborate report
was delivered to Congress
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behind closed doors.
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Freedom of Information Act requests,
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known as FOIA requests, were submitted.
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The responses received
were heavily redacted.
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- Three years later, three
and a half years later,
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no new evidence has come out.
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We've got no new videos.
Nothing like that happened.
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- [Narrator] Congressman Tim Burchett
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has become an outspoken
crusader against the secrecy.
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- The American public deserves to know.
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We need transparency.
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That's why nobody trusts government.
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Nobody trusts either party
when it comes down to it.
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- [Narrator] Instead of new answers,
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we've been given a whitewashing of the past
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and further reinforcement
of a new narrative
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created to fit the day.
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The new narrative states that the UAPs
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are not ours or any foreign government's;
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they display characteristics
that defy explanation.
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We are committed to
determining their nature
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and assessing any potential threat.
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There was no official
government study of the topic
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after Project Blue Book ended in 1969,
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until the AAWSAP program started in 2004.
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- By extracting a lot of the history out,
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they're able to make it seem like,
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wow, this is a real mystery here.
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I don't agree with that.
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- I think their new narrative,
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I think they have this
fear that it's a threat
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and the word "threat" kind
of bothers me a little bit,
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but I understand that, in order
to get government attention,
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they need to call it perhaps a threat.
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- So we have an ongoing situation here.
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This is a defense issue,
it's an air safety issue,
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it's a national security issue.
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- It's a valid issue.
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There's something flying
around in our airspace,
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and we don't know what it is
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or we're not telling what it is.
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- 18 months ago, if you had
asked anyone in government
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the official line on UFOs,
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you would've received a standard response,
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rather like this:
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"There is no current interest
or involvement in this subject
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since the termination of Blue Book in 1969.
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Nobody in government is
researching or investigating this."
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- The department writ
large is really not interested
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in UFOs whatsoever.
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- [Narrator] This story
leaves a gap of over 35 years
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that the government was
supposedly not engaged
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in the study of the phenomenon.
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The media was quick to
participate in the news story.
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Were they complicit in delivering
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this new version of the facts?
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- There is a risk of believing
the official narrative
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too quickly and just reporting it.
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- There's many steps to go,
and it's gonna take a while,
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and they still have a
totally compliant media
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for the most part.
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- I can tell you from my
knowledge of the New York Times
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that New York Times is not afraid
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to confront the government.
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- Having been legal counsel
for the New York Times
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and for NBC News, the people
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and the boards of editors of those things
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feel themselves to have
a certain patriotic duty
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as they perceive it
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to not reveal anything
to the American public
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that the national security
state people don't want revealed.
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- I don't want to be bound
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by what Danny Sheen said about his concepts
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of what the Times prints and doesn't.
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- [Narrator] This new narrative
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has become the official story.
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It was even stated as fact by Andre Carson
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at the beginning of the first
Congressional UFO hearings
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in over 40 years.
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- More than 50 years ago,
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the U.S. government
ended Project Blue Book,
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an effort to catalog and understand
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sightings of objects in the air
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that could not otherwise be explained.
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For more than 20 years,
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that project had treated
unidentified anomalies
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in our airspace as a
national security threat
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to be monitored and investigated.
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In 2017 we learned for the first time
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that the Department of Defense
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had quietly restarted
a similar organization
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tracking what we now call
unidentified aerial phenomena.
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- [Narrator] We've
heard all of this before.
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The new narrative is really an eerie echo
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of 70-year-old events.
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- We can say that the recent sightings
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are in no way connected
with any secret development
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by any agency of the United States.
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- Aircraft, we'll call 'em aircraft,
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are displaying characteristics
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that are not currently
within the U.S. inventory,
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nor in any foreign inventory
that we are aware of.
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- Air Force interest in this problem
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has been due to our
feeling of an obligation
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to identify and analyze
to the best of our ability
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anything in the air that may
have the possibility of threat
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or menace to the United States.
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- We know that our service members
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have encountered
unidentified aerial phenomenon,
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and because UAPs pose
potential flight safety
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and general security risk,
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we are committed to a focused effort
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to determine their origins.
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- However, there have
been a certain percentage
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of this volume of reports
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that have been made by credible observers
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of relatively incredible things.
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It is this group of observations
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that we now are attempting to resolve.
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- There will be a
recognized, concerted effort
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to figure this out.
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- [Narrator] The old story
was repeated almost verbatim
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by the current players.
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- We're still far from the goal line,
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and there is a lot of positions
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that they could take along the way
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that still will allow them
to maintain credibility
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and avoid culpability.
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- The media and the public want more.
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They want answers.
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I'm not sure that there are going
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to be easy answers to this.
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- They're trying to sweep
anything prior to 2004
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under the carpet, but we won't let 'em,
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because we've got all the historical cases,
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and those can't go away.
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- They're not only whitewashing
history; they're denying it.
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They're only acknowledging
the phenomenon back to 2004.
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- The government has a lot to answer for.
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You're absolutely right.
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The history of the subject has been replete
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with misinformation and disinformation.
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- It's just a complete coverup.
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- [Narrator] What was going on in the time
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between the closing of Project Blue Book
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and the beginning of the
officially announced UFO programs
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that we know about today?
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Why is it important?
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Because in those years
is where the truth lies,
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a truth that many have
gone to great lengths
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to conceal, deny, and debunk.
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We start by taking a closer look
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at the period between 1947 and 2005.
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The existence of official
UFO research and programs
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by the US government in this timeframe
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has been staunchly denied.
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The facts challenge that position.
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In the late 1940s,
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the world was recovering from World War II.
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The military was reorganizing.
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In 1947, the Air Force was being created
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as a standalone branch of service.
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The Cold War and its strategic
questions were looming.
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But in the midst of all of this,
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the United States Army
created what they called
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the Interplanetary Phenomenon Unit
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of the Scientific and Technical branch.
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Why did they need that?
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(tense music)
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Numerous FOIA requests
verified the existence
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of this Army program.
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They state that the unit disbanded
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and was folded into
Project Blue Book in the '50s.
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But the files of this group are not part
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of the official Project
Blue Book collection,
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so where did they go?
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During that time there
was advanced technology
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in the possession of Germany.
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Scientists were brought over after the war
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to continue the work.
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Stories of UFOs and UFO
crashes were abundant,
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including the famous
Roswell incident of 1947.
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The late astronaut Dr. Edgar Mitchell
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was given secret information
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about events of the time
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In this never before seen
video, he shares what he was told.
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- Individuals at the Pentagon
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had been attempting to get into the system
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and found out about it,
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thus confirming, and had confirmed,
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that the Roswell incident was real.
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They saw some of the material
from a crashed spacecraft.
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Some saw bodies from the beings
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that were killed in that crash.
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There were some that saw a live being.
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A live being had been taken away
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and was in the system somewhere.
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Those were real life incidents
that were reported to me.
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- [Narrator] Many believe in the formation
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of a group called Majestic 12,
assembled by President Truman
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to strategize about how to handle
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the information about
these encounters and more.
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Documents purport to detail the creation
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and deployment of this group,
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but their authenticity is
still a hotly debated topic.
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It makes sense, however,
that under such circumstances,
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just such a group would've been formed.
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They would've had control of the subject
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and accountability to a select few.
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If a decision was made to enact secrecy,
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this group would've made it happen.
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(tense music)
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After years of UFO hysteria and speculation
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between 1947 and 1952,
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the government finally said
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that they were taking
the subject seriously.
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Enter Project Blue Book,
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a public program that
was supposed to shed light
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on the UFO subject.
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Paul Hynek, son of the late
J. Allen Hynek, shared this.
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- My father was the
Chief scientific consultant
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working alongside Air Force counterparts,
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and it became clear that
the role of Project Blue Book
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wasn't to look for the truth,
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but was to manufacture answers
and to tamp down hysteria.
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Somebody called it the Society
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for the Explanation of the Uninvestigated.
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My father had to question
whether he should stay involved.
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James McDonald, one of his colleagues said,
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"Look, you're being played
a fool by the Air Force."
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And my father thought a lot about it.
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He finally decided that having
that front row center seat
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to all these goings on
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and being able to
influence things, not control,
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was worth the trouble.
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But it became increasingly
frustrating for him over time
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as he saw that the Air Force
was not changing their colors.
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(tense music)
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- [Narrator] J. Allen
Hynek was openly frustrated
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by the fact he was never given access
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to what he knew were compelling
events shrouded in secrecy.
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It haunted him until his passing in 1986.
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Official Air Force statements
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regarding the conclusion of Blue Book say,
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"Since the termination
of Project Blue Book,
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nothing has occurred that
would support a resumption
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of UFO investigations by the Air Force."
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But another FOIA request
revealed a different story.
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A 1969 memo from General Carroll Bolender,
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a senior director at Air Force
Research and Development,
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stated after Blue Book was dissolved,
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that reports of UFOs would
still continue to be handled
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through a standard Air Force procedure
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designed for this purpose.
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Furthermore, reports of
unidentified flying objects
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which could affect
national security were, are,
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not part of the Blue Book system.
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- There was the creation
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of the Air Intelligence Service squadrons,
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which were tasked with going to any spot
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in the continental United
States within six hours
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and picking up debris, fallen pilots,
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and also containing information leak.
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And so, many people think
that that would've been the entity
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or the agency that gave
birth to the Men in Black.
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What seems to be clear is
that there was a bifurcation,
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that Project Blue Book may have started off
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as a serious scientific endeavor,
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but as of 1953, it no longer was,
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and that it was most likely
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the Air Intelligence Service squadrons
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that picked up the banner of going out
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and trying to find saucers
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and then hand them off to people
520
00:23:35,776 --> 00:23:38,898
who would try to reverse
engineer the propulsion systems,
521
00:23:38,940 --> 00:23:39,731
et cetera.
522
00:23:39,773 --> 00:23:41,778
- General Arthur Exon described to us
523
00:23:41,820 --> 00:23:43,278
when he was Base Commander
524
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:45,940
at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in 1964
525
00:23:45,982 --> 00:23:50,478
that there would be an
ongoing joke that the Blue Book,
526
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,158
a two-man team would fly off
527
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,798
in a little single-engine
plane in one direction,
528
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:56,328
and then the actual project
529
00:23:56,370 --> 00:23:59,328
would arrive from Washington
on a commercial flight,
530
00:23:59,370 --> 00:24:01,608
they would change back into their uniforms,
531
00:24:01,650 --> 00:24:05,647
and a team of 12 to 15
officers would fly off in a jet
532
00:24:05,689 --> 00:24:09,315
to actually conduct
full scale investigations.
533
00:24:09,357 --> 00:24:11,958
(tense music)
534
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,698
- [Narrator] Project Blue
Book was headquartered
535
00:24:13,740 --> 00:24:15,798
at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base,
536
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,768
but some of the other,
more secret UFO programs
537
00:24:18,810 --> 00:24:20,868
seemed to have been located there too.
538
00:24:20,910 --> 00:24:23,838
One of these is the mysterious Blue Room,
539
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:25,548
an underground repository
540
00:24:25,590 --> 00:24:28,008
of recovered technology and debris.
541
00:24:28,050 --> 00:24:30,588
- This is the location, allegedly,
542
00:24:30,630 --> 00:24:32,568
where they brought the bodies and the craft
543
00:24:32,610 --> 00:24:33,618
from the Roswell crash,
544
00:24:33,660 --> 00:24:36,781
and where all of the other
crash retrievals and bodies,
545
00:24:36,823 --> 00:24:39,258
kind of like they have a consortium
546
00:24:39,300 --> 00:24:40,428
of where they keep all this.
547
00:24:40,470 --> 00:24:42,828
So you've got the bodies,
you've got the craft,
548
00:24:42,870 --> 00:24:45,783
you've got the debris, autopsy reports,
549
00:24:45,825 --> 00:24:49,218
the eight by 10 glossy white,
black-and-white photographs,
550
00:24:49,260 --> 00:24:50,568
and the gun camera footage
551
00:24:50,610 --> 00:24:54,048
is all supposed to be
kept at the Blue Room,
552
00:24:54,090 --> 00:24:57,443
some type of an underground
vault or Building 18
553
00:24:57,485 --> 00:24:59,748
at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base.
554
00:24:59,790 --> 00:25:01,338
- [Narrator] Senator Barry Goldwater
555
00:25:01,380 --> 00:25:03,378
sought confirmation of this.
556
00:25:03,420 --> 00:25:05,388
- At Wright-Patterson Field,
557
00:25:05,430 --> 00:25:07,922
if you could get into certain places,
558
00:25:07,964 --> 00:25:10,008
you'd find out what the Air Force
559
00:25:10,050 --> 00:25:12,738
and the government knows about UFOs.
560
00:25:12,780 --> 00:25:17,103
Reportedly, a spaceship landed.
561
00:25:17,145 --> 00:25:19,818
And it was all hushed up, quieted,
562
00:25:19,860 --> 00:25:23,793
and nobody ever heard about much of it.
563
00:25:25,020 --> 00:25:27,265
I called Curtis LeMay and I said,
564
00:25:27,307 --> 00:25:32,307
"General, I know we have
a room at Wright-Patterson
565
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,063
where you put all this secret stuff.
566
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:39,918
Can I go in there?"
567
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:41,943
I've never heard him get mad,
568
00:25:42,810 --> 00:25:46,368
but he got madder than
hell at me, cussed me out,
569
00:25:46,410 --> 00:25:49,428
said, "Don't ever ask me that question."
570
00:25:49,470 --> 00:25:51,168
- [Narrator] Supposedly the contents
571
00:25:51,210 --> 00:25:52,818
of the Blue Room were filmed.
572
00:25:52,860 --> 00:25:55,758
Exhaustive FOIA requests finally revealed
573
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:59,839
that this film did indeed
exist but was destroyed.
574
00:25:59,881 --> 00:26:02,028
(tense music)
575
00:26:02,070 --> 00:26:04,968
Nick Pope, a longtime
ex-British government pundit
576
00:26:05,010 --> 00:26:08,208
on the topic denied official
investigation of the subject
577
00:26:08,250 --> 00:26:10,338
for years, until he didn't.
578
00:26:10,380 --> 00:26:13,158
- The more interesting UFO
sightings are being looked at,
579
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,008
but not under the auspices
580
00:26:16,050 --> 00:26:19,278
of a formerly constituted
UFO research program.
581
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:23,358
- We now know about a
government UFO program,
582
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:28,400
but we might not know about
THE government UFO program.
583
00:26:29,461 --> 00:26:30,377
(tense music)
584
00:26:30,419 --> 00:26:32,058
(mysterious music)
585
00:26:32,100 --> 00:26:33,948
- [Narrator] Pope has
told a story about a picture
586
00:26:33,990 --> 00:26:36,198
that hung on the wall
of his office for years
587
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:37,668
until being removed.
588
00:26:37,710 --> 00:26:40,627
- The Calvine incident
from the United Kingdom
589
00:26:40,669 --> 00:26:43,686
is one of the most intriguing UFO sightings
590
00:26:43,728 --> 00:26:46,488
in the British government's UFO files.
591
00:26:46,530 --> 00:26:48,948
And for some years,
592
00:26:48,990 --> 00:26:51,168
when I was working in Ministry of Defense
593
00:26:51,210 --> 00:26:52,848
main building on this issue,
594
00:26:52,890 --> 00:26:57,768
we had a blown-up, poster-sized enlargement
595
00:26:57,810 --> 00:27:01,578
of one of the photos that was taken.
596
00:27:01,620 --> 00:27:04,038
The story is that two hikers were out
597
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,008
and they saw a large, diamond-shaped UFO.
598
00:27:07,050 --> 00:27:10,039
At one point there was a
military jet in the background,
599
00:27:10,081 --> 00:27:13,638
and then the UFO accelerated away.
600
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:15,858
We had looked at them
at the Ministry of Defense.
601
00:27:15,900 --> 00:27:18,198
They'd been analyzed by various
602
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,948
intelligence community imagery analysts.
603
00:27:21,990 --> 00:27:23,508
It was literally a UFO.
604
00:27:23,550 --> 00:27:26,958
The Ministry of Defense
embarked on a campaign
605
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,048
to declassify and release its UFO files.
606
00:27:30,090 --> 00:27:33,708
Documents about the
Calvine incident emerged,
607
00:27:33,750 --> 00:27:37,738
but the full-size color
photos, the negatives,
608
00:27:37,780 --> 00:27:42,408
the enlarged image that was
on my wall, gone, disappeared.
609
00:27:42,450 --> 00:27:47,088
There was an effort to
see if the original photos
610
00:27:47,130 --> 00:27:50,058
might be in the hard copy file
611
00:27:50,100 --> 00:27:52,308
held at the National Archives,
612
00:27:52,350 --> 00:27:55,788
and apparently the hard
copy file will be released
613
00:27:55,830 --> 00:27:58,155
in about the year 2072.
614
00:27:58,197 --> 00:28:00,498
(tense music)
615
00:28:00,540 --> 00:28:02,388
- [Narrator] In an
interesting turn of events,
616
00:28:02,430 --> 00:28:04,548
just as we were finishing this project,
617
00:28:04,590 --> 00:28:06,048
the picture appeared.
618
00:28:06,090 --> 00:28:09,138
This is the mysterious
Calvine UFO photograph.
619
00:28:09,180 --> 00:28:10,818
The facts around this photograph
620
00:28:10,860 --> 00:28:13,098
strongly suggest an unknown group
621
00:28:13,140 --> 00:28:15,888
that was able to intercept
the release of this image
622
00:28:15,930 --> 00:28:17,328
and attempt to stop it.
623
00:28:17,370 --> 00:28:18,918
But who are they?
624
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,198
- Information in government,
625
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,168
and particularly intelligence information,
626
00:28:24,210 --> 00:28:29,210
it's highly classified,
deeply compartmentalized.
627
00:28:29,310 --> 00:28:31,068
Everyone works in silos.
628
00:28:31,110 --> 00:28:32,568
The left hand often doesn't know
629
00:28:32,610 --> 00:28:34,008
what the right hand's doing.
630
00:28:34,050 --> 00:28:36,708
- [Narrator] We saw an
example of compartmentalization
631
00:28:36,750 --> 00:28:39,198
and the evasion of scrutiny
and straight answers
632
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,108
during the recent Senate hearings on UFOs.
633
00:28:42,150 --> 00:28:43,098
- So you're not aware of anything
634
00:28:43,140 --> 00:28:45,738
in between Project Blue Book and AATIP?
635
00:28:45,780 --> 00:28:47,718
- Hasn't been brought to my attention.
636
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:49,908
- That data is not within the holdings
637
00:28:49,950 --> 00:28:51,138
of the UAP task force.
638
00:28:51,180 --> 00:28:52,608
- There are many things
that are out there in the ether
639
00:28:52,650 --> 00:28:54,468
that aren't officially
brought to our attention.
640
00:28:54,510 --> 00:28:55,788
- How would it have to be officially
641
00:28:55,830 --> 00:28:56,688
brought to your attention?
642
00:28:56,730 --> 00:28:57,995
I'm bringing it to your attention.
643
00:28:58,037 --> 00:28:59,568
- Probably a lot of leads
644
00:28:59,610 --> 00:29:00,648
that we would have to follow up on.
645
00:29:00,690 --> 00:29:02,748
I don't think we have a
resource to do that right now.
646
00:29:02,790 --> 00:29:04,938
- All I can speak to is
what's within my cognizance,
647
00:29:04,980 --> 00:29:07,758
the UAP task force, and we
have not looked at that incident.
648
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:08,591
- And then, finally,
649
00:29:08,633 --> 00:29:11,298
are you aware of a document
that appeared around 2019,
650
00:29:11,340 --> 00:29:15,078
sometimes called the Admiral
Wilson memo or EW notes memo?
651
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,358
- I am not. - You're not.
652
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:18,558
- I'm not personally aware of that.
653
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:20,358
- [Narrator] These
answers are made possible
654
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:24,018
by compartmentalization
that aids in deniability.
655
00:29:24,060 --> 00:29:25,428
- You can ask the questions,
656
00:29:25,470 --> 00:29:27,078
but who are you gonna ask 'em of?
657
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:28,128
And you've gotta make sure
658
00:29:28,170 --> 00:29:30,018
you're asking the right
people the questions,
659
00:29:30,060 --> 00:29:31,968
because that's another problem.
660
00:29:32,010 --> 00:29:34,265
You can ask questions all day long.
661
00:29:34,307 --> 00:29:36,408
(tense music)
662
00:29:36,450 --> 00:29:37,548
- [Narrator] While we're at it,
663
00:29:37,590 --> 00:29:39,468
what is the Wilson-Davis memo
664
00:29:39,510 --> 00:29:41,688
that Senator Gallagher asked about?
665
00:29:41,730 --> 00:29:46,278
- It's the leak of 15 pages
of notes by Dr. Eric Davis
666
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:48,438
of a meeting he had in 2002
667
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,228
with a retired member
of the Joint Chiefs of Staff,
668
00:29:51,270 --> 00:29:53,148
Admiral Thomas R. Wilson,
669
00:29:53,190 --> 00:29:57,708
and the contents of these
notes are absolutely explosive.
670
00:29:57,750 --> 00:30:00,258
- [Narrator] The Wilson-Davis
memo was found in the files
671
00:30:00,300 --> 00:30:02,148
of the late Dr. Edgar Mitchell.
672
00:30:02,190 --> 00:30:04,758
- It was the existence of a
reverse engineering program
673
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,998
to reverse engineer
extraterrestrial technology.
674
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:09,438
- After he learned about the existence
675
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:13,488
of a deep classified program
to study ET technology.
676
00:30:13,530 --> 00:30:15,468
And the fact that he had genuine
677
00:30:15,510 --> 00:30:18,618
legal regulatory oversight over this,
678
00:30:18,660 --> 00:30:21,078
how he was denied access to this program.
679
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,198
- We had retrieved a functioning craft
680
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:24,990
that was ET in nature.
681
00:30:25,032 --> 00:30:26,898
This is all stated in there,
682
00:30:26,940 --> 00:30:28,368
and that there had been this long,
683
00:30:28,410 --> 00:30:29,958
reverse engineering program,
684
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,118
but it had gone into a corporate company,
685
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,518
and the heads of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
686
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:35,928
have no business looking into it.
687
00:30:35,970 --> 00:30:37,308
- The memorable quote in that note
688
00:30:37,350 --> 00:30:40,578
is "technology, not of this Earth,
689
00:30:40,620 --> 00:30:44,058
not made by man, not by human hands."
690
00:30:44,100 --> 00:30:45,948
- And they said, "Nope,
you're not read in."
691
00:30:45,990 --> 00:30:48,108
- [Narrator] Admiral Wilson
denies the authenticity
692
00:30:48,150 --> 00:30:49,188
of the story.
693
00:30:49,230 --> 00:30:51,708
Dr. Eric Davis plays a significant role
694
00:30:51,750 --> 00:30:53,958
in the programs we are describing here,
695
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:55,698
the history and the research.
696
00:30:55,740 --> 00:30:56,905
He said this.
697
00:30:56,947 --> 00:31:00,228
"I'm not at liberty to confirm or verify
698
00:31:00,270 --> 00:31:02,418
any aspect of those notes."
699
00:31:02,460 --> 00:31:04,438
- These notes, in my view,
700
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,954
there's no question
about their authenticity.
701
00:31:06,996 --> 00:31:09,708
(tense music)
702
00:31:09,750 --> 00:31:11,868
- [Narrator] In a recent
presentation to Congress,
703
00:31:11,910 --> 00:31:15,648
MUFON, the Mutual UFO
Network, presented a slide
704
00:31:15,690 --> 00:31:18,738
pointing out nearly 20 government agencies
705
00:31:18,780 --> 00:31:22,608
that have some program or study of UAP.
706
00:31:22,650 --> 00:31:23,613
There were many.
707
00:31:25,470 --> 00:31:28,788
In 1991, New York Times writer Howard Bloom
708
00:31:28,830 --> 00:31:30,978
released the book "Out There."
709
00:31:31,020 --> 00:31:34,638
In it, he detailed an actual
group formed by the Pentagon
710
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:36,318
to investigate new evidence
711
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,318
related to an extraterrestrial presence.
712
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,478
This group, referred to in the book
713
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:43,458
as the UFO Working Group,
714
00:31:43,500 --> 00:31:45,858
was led by a shadowy Army colonel
715
00:31:45,900 --> 00:31:48,409
referred to as Colonel Phillips.
716
00:31:48,451 --> 00:31:51,184
It is believed that the
mysterious Colonel Phillips
717
00:31:51,226 --> 00:31:55,968
represents a real colonel
who is even more of a mystery.
718
00:31:56,010 --> 00:31:58,698
Colonel John Alexander is a central figure
719
00:31:58,740 --> 00:32:00,588
in much of this history.
720
00:32:00,630 --> 00:32:02,928
In 1985, he became the Director
721
00:32:02,970 --> 00:32:06,498
of Advanced Concepts at the U.S. Army Lab.
722
00:32:06,540 --> 00:32:10,773
In 2009, John Alexander
spoke at the UFO X-Conference
723
00:32:10,815 --> 00:32:13,083
and was interviewed behind the scenes.
724
00:32:13,980 --> 00:32:16,398
- What I think needs to happen at this time
725
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,468
is not disclosure per se,
726
00:32:18,510 --> 00:32:20,088
'cause I don't think
there is much to disclose.
727
00:32:20,130 --> 00:32:21,858
What I think needs to happen
728
00:32:21,900 --> 00:32:25,488
is we need to make it okay, permissible,
729
00:32:25,530 --> 00:32:27,798
for serious scientists
730
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,648
who want to explore
these fields to do this.
731
00:32:30,690 --> 00:32:33,048
- [Narrator] Unknown at the
time of this original interview,
732
00:32:33,090 --> 00:32:34,548
he had been running a program
733
00:32:34,590 --> 00:32:37,458
exactly like the kind
described in Bloom's book.
734
00:32:37,500 --> 00:32:42,078
- A bunch of military, aerospace,
and government insiders
735
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,408
started with the Advanced
Theoretical Physics Working Group.
736
00:32:45,450 --> 00:32:47,028
Now, there's even some evidence
737
00:32:47,070 --> 00:32:48,918
that it existed prior to that.
738
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:52,638
- I ran a program inside the government.
739
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:56,008
I had all of the services involved.
740
00:32:56,050 --> 00:32:59,208
I had many aspects of
the intelligence community,
741
00:32:59,250 --> 00:33:01,458
had aerospace engineers.
742
00:33:01,500 --> 00:33:04,968
It was at the top secret SCI level,
743
00:33:05,010 --> 00:33:07,820
so everybody had the high clearances.
744
00:33:07,862 --> 00:33:09,768
(tense music)
745
00:33:09,810 --> 00:33:12,348
- They had this meeting at BDM Corporation
746
00:33:12,390 --> 00:33:13,968
in a secure vault room
747
00:33:14,010 --> 00:33:16,908
and said, "We're forming up this group,"
748
00:33:16,950 --> 00:33:18,888
and that was in 1985.
749
00:33:18,930 --> 00:33:20,028
- [Narrator] The real name of the group
750
00:33:20,070 --> 00:33:23,358
was the Advanced Theoretical
Physics Working Group.
751
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:27,203
The study topics included
advanced detector deployment,
752
00:33:27,245 --> 00:33:31,351
established communication, new materials,
753
00:33:31,393 --> 00:33:34,608
develop a gravity interaction system,
754
00:33:34,650 --> 00:33:38,028
biological controls of processes.
755
00:33:38,070 --> 00:33:39,888
- A, we start by saying it's real.
756
00:33:39,930 --> 00:33:41,538
So, let's be clear.
757
00:33:41,580 --> 00:33:44,718
UFOs are real. Sensor systems pick them up.
758
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,529
(tense music)
759
00:33:47,571 --> 00:33:50,403
UFOs have been around
760
00:33:50,445 --> 00:33:53,688
since, again, the beginning of time
761
00:33:53,730 --> 00:33:56,313
or recorded history as we know it.
762
00:33:58,140 --> 00:34:00,074
It is a global phenomena.
763
00:34:00,116 --> 00:34:02,448
(tense music)
764
00:34:02,490 --> 00:34:05,778
One of the things that will
come up in this undoubtedly
765
00:34:05,820 --> 00:34:09,565
is the BASS study or the
one that Lue Elizondo said,
766
00:34:09,608 --> 00:34:12,197
came out in the New York Times.
767
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,408
- We spent a lot of time
in the analysis piece of this,
768
00:34:15,449 --> 00:34:18,108
getting experts within the community,
769
00:34:18,150 --> 00:34:19,994
both the Department of Defense
770
00:34:20,036 --> 00:34:21,288
and the intelligence community.
771
00:34:21,330 --> 00:34:24,078
- They basically followed the same thing
772
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,706
that I had done 30 years earlier
773
00:34:27,748 --> 00:34:31,788
and found, I think,
basically the same thing.
774
00:34:31,830 --> 00:34:33,318
- What we're talking about is something
775
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,408
that is probably not ours or adversarial,
776
00:34:36,449 --> 00:34:39,520
something that we really
just don't know where it's from
777
00:34:40,500 --> 00:34:42,467
and may have been,
frankly, here for quite awhile.
778
00:34:42,510 --> 00:34:46,728
- The things that they knew
about the capabilities of UFOs
779
00:34:46,770 --> 00:34:48,980
were being observed about the same,
780
00:34:49,022 --> 00:34:52,360
really fast, high speed turns, antigravity,
781
00:34:52,402 --> 00:34:55,070
things that just can't happen.
782
00:34:55,112 --> 00:34:57,558
(tense music)
783
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,078
And first of all, every
sensor system we have
784
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,318
does pick up UFOs from time to time.
785
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,558
We have hard craft,
more than a mile of across,
786
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:10,128
multi-sensor, I mean absolutely real,
787
00:35:10,170 --> 00:35:13,515
and thousands and thousands
of variations in between.
788
00:35:13,557 --> 00:35:16,428
- And UAP observed and interacting with
789
00:35:16,470 --> 00:35:18,708
and flying over sensitive
military facilities particularly,
790
00:35:18,750 --> 00:35:19,608
and not just ranges,
791
00:35:19,650 --> 00:35:22,787
but some facilities housing
our strategic nuclear forces.
792
00:35:22,829 --> 00:35:25,241
One such incident allegedly occurred
793
00:35:25,283 --> 00:35:27,918
at Malmstrom Air Force Base,
794
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,708
in which 10 of our nuclear
ICBMs were rendered inoperable.
795
00:35:30,750 --> 00:35:32,658
- People do look at some of these things,
796
00:35:32,700 --> 00:35:35,598
particularly the incidents
with "Faded Giant"
797
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:37,338
that Bob Salas talks about,
798
00:35:37,380 --> 00:35:40,428
where you had missiles
go down, absolutely real.
799
00:35:40,470 --> 00:35:42,858
- I have heard stories. I
have not seen the official data.
800
00:35:42,900 --> 00:35:45,918
No official assessment that you've done
801
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,464
or exists within DOD that you're aware of
802
00:35:48,506 --> 00:35:50,538
regarding the Malmstrom incident.
803
00:35:50,580 --> 00:35:51,821
- We have not looked at that incident.
804
00:35:51,863 --> 00:35:54,498
- You're the guys investigating it.
805
00:35:54,540 --> 00:35:55,338
Who else is doing it?
806
00:35:55,380 --> 00:36:00,264
- Studied the hell out of it
and end up with have no idea.
807
00:36:00,306 --> 00:36:02,898
(tense music)
808
00:36:02,940 --> 00:36:04,668
- [Narrator] This
stunning set of revelations
809
00:36:04,710 --> 00:36:07,998
places John Alexander
in the thick of the subject
810
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,743
during the elusive
missing years in question.
811
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,418
A request for information
on the military background
812
00:36:14,460 --> 00:36:15,873
of Colonel John Alexander
813
00:36:15,915 --> 00:36:18,138
returned an absolute refusal
814
00:36:18,180 --> 00:36:20,478
by the Department of Army Personnel
815
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:24,292
to even acknowledge Colonel
Alexander's military record.
816
00:36:24,334 --> 00:36:27,138
(tense music)
817
00:36:27,180 --> 00:36:29,148
After retiring from the Army,
818
00:36:29,190 --> 00:36:32,868
John Alexander worked at
Los Alamos National Labs.
819
00:36:32,910 --> 00:36:36,168
In 1995, Alexander took a position
820
00:36:36,210 --> 00:36:38,448
at a new research group called NIDS,
821
00:36:38,490 --> 00:36:41,268
the National Institute
for Discovery Sciences.
822
00:36:41,310 --> 00:36:45,498
NIDS was founded by a Nevada
billionaire Robert Bigelow.
823
00:36:45,540 --> 00:36:48,168
- These individuals became
friends with Robert Bigelow,
824
00:36:48,210 --> 00:36:49,668
and they became involved with him.
825
00:36:49,710 --> 00:36:51,228
Shortly after that,
826
00:36:51,270 --> 00:36:53,958
another organization
was formed, called NIDS,
827
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,478
National Institute of Discovery Science,
828
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:57,948
and Bigelow funded that,
829
00:36:57,990 --> 00:37:01,308
and it involved all these
same people and others.
830
00:37:01,350 --> 00:37:03,168
- [Narrator] Shortly after forming NIDS,
831
00:37:03,210 --> 00:37:05,838
Robert Bigelow bought
the famous paranormal site
832
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:07,968
known as Skinwalker Ranch.
833
00:37:08,010 --> 00:37:10,518
John Alexander was there.
834
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:11,703
- I was with Bob.
835
00:37:12,570 --> 00:37:13,695
Robert Bigelow owned it,
836
00:37:13,737 --> 00:37:16,008
and I was with Bob the
day he bought the ranch,
837
00:37:16,050 --> 00:37:20,538
was the first one to spend the night.
838
00:37:20,580 --> 00:37:23,028
We spent years looking at that.
839
00:37:23,070 --> 00:37:25,938
- [Narrator] He would go on
to personally witness events
840
00:37:25,980 --> 00:37:28,188
that led him to startling conclusions
841
00:37:28,230 --> 00:37:31,488
about the complexity of
unexplained phenomena.
842
00:37:31,530 --> 00:37:32,871
- There was no single phenomena
843
00:37:32,913 --> 00:37:34,578
that was happening at the ranch.
844
00:37:34,620 --> 00:37:37,278
The stories are so bizarre.
845
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,918
What you end up, though, with is something
846
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:41,928
that is terribly complex,
847
00:37:41,970 --> 00:37:44,837
maybe more complex than we can imagine.
848
00:37:44,879 --> 00:37:47,538
(tense music)
849
00:37:47,580 --> 00:37:49,788
- [Narrator] It wasn't
long before strange reports
850
00:37:49,830 --> 00:37:51,828
of unusual activity at the ranch
851
00:37:51,870 --> 00:37:55,668
attracted the attention of the
Defense Intelligence Agency.
852
00:37:55,710 --> 00:37:58,086
- You look at the guys
involved, some of them were our,
853
00:37:58,128 --> 00:38:01,008
I mean, talking PhD level scientists.
854
00:38:01,050 --> 00:38:02,778
- [Narrator] Robert Bigelow went on to form
855
00:38:02,820 --> 00:38:05,778
Bigelow Advanced Aerospace Studies, BASS,
856
00:38:05,820 --> 00:38:07,898
as the evolved version of NIDS.
857
00:38:07,940 --> 00:38:09,498
He was quickly rewarded
858
00:38:09,540 --> 00:38:12,378
with a Defense Intelligence Agency contract
859
00:38:12,420 --> 00:38:16,668
to study subjects closely
tied to the UAP phenomenon.
860
00:38:16,710 --> 00:38:18,948
According to the original contract,
861
00:38:18,990 --> 00:38:23,836
some of these topics included
lift, propulsion, control,
862
00:38:23,878 --> 00:38:28,218
power generation, spatial
temporal translation,
863
00:38:28,260 --> 00:38:32,958
materials, structural
configuration, signature reduction,
864
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,903
human interface, human
effects, and armament.
865
00:38:37,830 --> 00:38:41,628
At one point, BASS brought on
MUFON, the Mutual UFO Network,
866
00:38:41,670 --> 00:38:44,688
to help in the study of UFO
events around the world.
867
00:38:44,730 --> 00:38:47,388
Richard Lang ran the program inside MUFON.
868
00:38:47,430 --> 00:38:49,248
- Well we put this program together.
869
00:38:49,290 --> 00:38:51,258
Basically what they were doing
870
00:38:51,300 --> 00:38:55,968
is they were paying
MUFON for data every month.
871
00:38:56,010 --> 00:38:57,858
At the time that we put this all together,
872
00:38:57,900 --> 00:39:00,708
we didn't know that
the DIA was funding this.
873
00:39:00,750 --> 00:39:03,258
I knew, based on some
of the conversations I had,
874
00:39:03,300 --> 00:39:07,068
that there was somebody
funding it that wasn't Bigelow,
875
00:39:07,110 --> 00:39:08,298
but I didn't know who it was.
876
00:39:08,340 --> 00:39:10,696
I assumed it was some government agency
877
00:39:10,738 --> 00:39:12,918
(tense music)
878
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,318
- [Narrator] The BASS
program was called AAWSAP.
879
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:19,818
It was the precursor program
to what we now know as AATIP
880
00:39:19,860 --> 00:39:21,918
Lue Elizondo says he took over
881
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,828
the remains of the program in 2009.
882
00:39:24,870 --> 00:39:28,101
- So the initial focus of of AATIP,
883
00:39:28,143 --> 00:39:32,358
which was really AAWSAP, was very broad.
884
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:37,055
So imagine trying to shoot
a fly with a shotgun, right?
885
00:39:37,097 --> 00:39:38,805
Chances are you'll probably hit the fly,
886
00:39:38,847 --> 00:39:41,628
but chances are you're
gonna hit a lot more.
887
00:39:41,670 --> 00:39:43,458
So we quickly realized that we were getting
888
00:39:43,500 --> 00:39:44,328
a lot of information
889
00:39:44,370 --> 00:39:46,787
as a result of this
broad focus very quickly,
890
00:39:46,829 --> 00:39:48,768
and we frankly just didn't have the staff
891
00:39:48,810 --> 00:39:49,601
to deal with it all,
892
00:39:49,643 --> 00:39:53,298
so a decision was made
early on to focus the program.
893
00:39:53,340 --> 00:39:55,548
The program was renamed to AATIP,
894
00:39:55,590 --> 00:39:58,522
and really use, let's
say, instead of a shotgun,
895
00:39:58,564 --> 00:40:01,698
maybe we're gonna use a
sniper rifle this time, right?
896
00:40:01,740 --> 00:40:04,128
So, much more focused on what it is
897
00:40:04,170 --> 00:40:05,718
we were trying to collect
898
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:10,338
and try to digest this
elephant one bite at a time.
899
00:40:10,380 --> 00:40:15,093
And so the focus of AATIP
was, indeed, the phenomena.
900
00:40:16,077 --> 00:40:19,158
Again, the challenge is where do you start?
901
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:21,860
- We have got, and we may well get,
902
00:40:21,902 --> 00:40:25,488
interesting information,
but we may never get all of it.
903
00:40:25,530 --> 00:40:26,778
- What I'm afraid happens, too,
904
00:40:26,820 --> 00:40:29,801
is that somebody that has this knowledge
905
00:40:29,843 --> 00:40:34,843
passes away or goes on, and
then the new person coming in
906
00:40:35,070 --> 00:40:37,938
doesn't quite grasp what's going on.
907
00:40:37,980 --> 00:40:40,878
- One difficulty with getting
information from the military
908
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:45,920
is those who say don't know,
those who know don't say.
909
00:40:47,100 --> 00:40:49,548
So, in other words, when
someone says that I know everything
910
00:40:49,590 --> 00:40:51,768
about what's happening with the military,
911
00:40:51,810 --> 00:40:53,718
then don't believe it,
912
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,508
because maybe there are
things that they don't know.
913
00:40:56,550 --> 00:41:01,218
So I think the mantra here is
beware; that is, be cautious.
914
00:41:01,260 --> 00:41:04,758
Don't believe everything
you hear from the military.
915
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:06,378
- These private
corporations that are running
916
00:41:06,420 --> 00:41:08,770
the special access
programs, they're the mafia.
917
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:13,518
They don't want anything
examining what they do.
918
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:15,558
They've got the future in their possession.
919
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:17,628
They've got the most exotic technology
920
00:41:17,670 --> 00:41:20,628
and science imaginable, and they have it.
921
00:41:20,670 --> 00:41:23,298
Why would they possibly wanna share it?
922
00:41:23,340 --> 00:41:27,078
- Anybody that does know the
truth, I don't know their name,
923
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:28,698
you don't know their name,
924
00:41:28,740 --> 00:41:30,648
they are not in the public right now,
925
00:41:30,690 --> 00:41:32,478
they are not speaking to anybody,
926
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,178
they're not not on camera,
you don't know them,
927
00:41:35,220 --> 00:41:37,728
- and that's where the dark
programs, I think, come in,
928
00:41:37,770 --> 00:41:39,588
the Skunk Works and things like that.
929
00:41:39,630 --> 00:41:42,168
It's where the government and big business
930
00:41:42,210 --> 00:41:45,618
somehow are interlocked that we don't know,
931
00:41:45,660 --> 00:41:47,838
and there's somebody knows.
932
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,851
Somebody's getting that
money, and it's going somewhere.
933
00:41:50,893 --> 00:41:53,393
(tense music)
934
00:41:55,380 --> 00:41:57,918
- When it came to
investigating the UFO mystery,
935
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,408
a lot of people used to say that all roads
936
00:42:00,450 --> 00:42:02,658
led to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base.
937
00:42:02,700 --> 00:42:04,008
But in the last few years,
938
00:42:04,050 --> 00:42:06,648
and especially some of the
more controversial subjects,
939
00:42:06,690 --> 00:42:09,258
a lot of the roads lead right here.
940
00:42:09,300 --> 00:42:11,568
- [Narrator] Recently
declassified documents
941
00:42:11,610 --> 00:42:14,538
now shed light on the other aspects of BASS
942
00:42:14,580 --> 00:42:16,438
and information that may have originated
943
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,248
from some of these older programs.
944
00:42:19,290 --> 00:42:21,078
Since the early 1900s,
945
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,748
there have been reports of crashed UFOs.
946
00:42:23,790 --> 00:42:26,358
For over a century, hundreds of witnesses
947
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:28,008
have shared their accounts.
948
00:42:28,050 --> 00:42:31,698
- There were 119 alleged
crash retrieval cases.
949
00:42:31,740 --> 00:42:33,768
All we need is one to be true,
950
00:42:33,810 --> 00:42:35,538
and its disclosure right there.
951
00:42:35,580 --> 00:42:36,408
All we need is one.
952
00:42:36,450 --> 00:42:39,045
So, some of the cases that come to mind
953
00:42:39,087 --> 00:42:43,758
are certainly 1941,
Cape Girardeau, Missouri,
954
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:45,678
where there were three bodies recovered.
955
00:42:45,720 --> 00:42:47,478
The craft was recovered as well.
956
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:49,938
It's alleged that the bodies in the craft
957
00:42:49,980 --> 00:42:52,068
were stored not at the Pentagon,
958
00:42:52,110 --> 00:42:54,438
because the Pentagon didn't exist in '41,
959
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,958
but in the basement of the Capitol building
960
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:57,978
in Washington D.C.
961
00:42:58,020 --> 00:43:00,288
So that's 1941, Cape Girardeau.
962
00:43:00,330 --> 00:43:02,568
Now, move fast forward six years.
963
00:43:02,610 --> 00:43:04,998
You've got July 2nd, 1947.
964
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,338
You've got the Roswell Crash retrieval.
965
00:43:07,380 --> 00:43:09,288
There was a small egg-shaped craft
966
00:43:09,330 --> 00:43:11,538
the size of a Volkswagen
with a dome on top.
967
00:43:11,580 --> 00:43:13,878
There were five bodies
recovered. One was still alive.
968
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:14,778
So that's Roswell.
969
00:43:14,820 --> 00:43:18,366
Move forward in 1953.
You've got the Kingman.
970
00:43:18,408 --> 00:43:21,828
This is not the crash retrieval,
971
00:43:21,870 --> 00:43:23,988
but it is a forced landing.
972
00:43:24,030 --> 00:43:26,118
There were four beings associated
973
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,698
with that particular retrieval operation.
974
00:43:28,740 --> 00:43:30,168
They were all live.
975
00:43:30,210 --> 00:43:32,148
They did establish contact.
976
00:43:32,190 --> 00:43:33,768
That craft was allegedly brought
977
00:43:33,810 --> 00:43:35,298
to the remote test site in Nevada.
978
00:43:35,340 --> 00:43:39,738
Now, prior to that we've got
the '48 Aztec crash retrieval.
979
00:43:39,780 --> 00:43:43,608
This was a 99.9-foot-diameter,
dish-shaped craft
980
00:43:43,650 --> 00:43:47,988
that had a kind of a
silver outer exterior color.
981
00:43:48,030 --> 00:43:49,728
There were two bodies recovered
982
00:43:49,770 --> 00:43:51,498
on the upper dome of the craft.
983
00:43:51,540 --> 00:43:53,928
In the central part of the rim of the craft
984
00:43:53,970 --> 00:43:56,088
on the interior, there
were another 14 bodies,
985
00:43:56,130 --> 00:43:58,248
for a grand total of 16 bodies.
986
00:43:58,290 --> 00:44:01,518
That craft was allegedly
brought back to Los Alamos,
987
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,668
reassembled, and then
the retrieval operation
988
00:44:04,710 --> 00:44:08,358
or the reverse engineering
operation began at that point.
989
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,178
These are some of the retrieval operations
990
00:44:11,220 --> 00:44:12,498
and cases that come to mind
991
00:44:12,540 --> 00:44:14,851
that, if we could get one of these,
992
00:44:14,893 --> 00:44:17,058
the evidence for one of these,
993
00:44:17,100 --> 00:44:20,028
it would push this .eld of ufology forward.
994
00:44:20,070 --> 00:44:21,768
- There's a red line in this whole process
995
00:44:21,810 --> 00:44:23,568
that you're not allowed to cross.
996
00:44:23,610 --> 00:44:26,838
And the red line is,
well, the conspiracy line.
997
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,628
The red line is basically crash retrievals.
998
00:44:29,670 --> 00:44:32,618
Because if you acknowledge
that there have been retrievals
999
00:44:32,660 --> 00:44:35,868
of this technology, and bodies,
1000
00:44:35,910 --> 00:44:38,961
there is no way to avoid
the obvious conclusion
1001
00:44:39,003 --> 00:44:41,148
that this is a conspiracy.
1002
00:44:41,190 --> 00:44:43,728
- The areas of materials recovery,
1003
00:44:43,770 --> 00:44:46,908
to the extent that they have
been recovered in crashes,
1004
00:44:46,950 --> 00:44:48,588
are heavily classified,
1005
00:44:48,630 --> 00:44:50,879
so we don't have access to that material.
1006
00:44:50,921 --> 00:44:53,298
(tense music)
1007
00:44:53,340 --> 00:44:55,428
- [Narrator] We know about
programs that have existed
1008
00:44:55,470 --> 00:44:59,838
to study and attempt to
reverse engineer this technology.
1009
00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:04,848
The evidence has been
circumstantial at best, until now.
1010
00:45:04,890 --> 00:45:07,686
Included in the 2017 media flurry
1011
00:45:07,728 --> 00:45:11,178
was an additional story
by the New York Times.
1012
00:45:11,220 --> 00:45:14,178
- And they took the
conversation right to the edge
1013
00:45:14,220 --> 00:45:16,511
of crash retrievals,
right to the precipice.
1014
00:45:16,553 --> 00:45:19,338
If they took one more step,
they're going off that cliff.
1015
00:45:19,380 --> 00:45:21,078
And we're talking about
genuine UFO crash retrievals.
1016
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:24,018
- What we do know, and what
we put in the New York Times,
1017
00:45:24,060 --> 00:45:25,038
and I'm pretty proud of this
1018
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,470
because it was as far as we could go
1019
00:45:27,512 --> 00:45:30,281
that was fully documented,
1020
00:45:30,323 --> 00:45:34,098
was that a congressional committee's staff
1021
00:45:34,140 --> 00:45:38,328
were briefed with slides
1022
00:45:38,370 --> 00:45:42,708
referring to material recovery,
apparent material recovery
1023
00:45:42,750 --> 00:45:47,750
from crashed UFOs off
Earth, off planet vehicles.
1024
00:45:48,390 --> 00:45:50,958
- They quoted Eric Davis,
they quoted Harry Reed,
1025
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:56,000
both very positively about UFO crashes.
1026
00:45:56,070 --> 00:45:58,128
Can you imagine what that's
like for the New York Times
1027
00:45:58,170 --> 00:46:00,198
to talk about UFO crash retrievals?
1028
00:46:00,240 --> 00:46:02,538
- [Narrator] Senator Harry
Reed was quoted as saying
1029
00:46:02,580 --> 00:46:05,191
that materials recovered
from off-world craft
1030
00:46:05,233 --> 00:46:08,538
were studied as part of the AAWSAP program.
1031
00:46:08,580 --> 00:46:11,478
After the story broke,
Senator Reed strongly objected
1032
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:13,098
to some of the wording of the story
1033
00:46:13,140 --> 00:46:15,078
and demanded a retraction.
1034
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,328
The verbiage was changed slightly,
1035
00:46:17,370 --> 00:46:21,258
but the Times still sticks
by its original reporting.
1036
00:46:21,300 --> 00:46:22,218
- The stories in New York Times
1037
00:46:22,260 --> 00:46:24,788
were fully documented with named sources.
1038
00:46:24,830 --> 00:46:28,148
We didn't put in information
that hid the origins.
1039
00:46:28,190 --> 00:46:29,928
It was very transparent.
1040
00:46:29,970 --> 00:46:31,518
We said where we got the information.
1041
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:32,928
We had the briefing slides.
1042
00:46:32,970 --> 00:46:35,778
One was put into a story
that we wrote in the Times.
1043
00:46:35,820 --> 00:46:39,888
We actually had the slide copied
1044
00:46:39,930 --> 00:46:43,578
and pictured in the New York Times.
1045
00:46:43,620 --> 00:46:46,728
- [Narrator] Dr. Eric Davis
again made an appearance.
1046
00:46:46,770 --> 00:46:50,088
This time it was reported
that he delivered a presentation
1047
00:46:50,130 --> 00:46:52,278
behind the closed doors of Congress,
1048
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:54,108
acknowledging that some materials
1049
00:46:54,150 --> 00:46:57,858
were recovered from off-world craft.
1050
00:46:57,900 --> 00:47:00,537
Dr. Davis is quoted elsewhere as saying,
1051
00:47:00,579 --> 00:47:04,008
"We have crash retrievals
and they've been analyzed.
1052
00:47:04,050 --> 00:47:05,388
The program was terminated
1053
00:47:05,430 --> 00:47:08,007
for lack of progress
in reverse engineering."
1054
00:47:08,940 --> 00:47:12,498
- Because there's no way at
that point that you can pretend,
1055
00:47:12,540 --> 00:47:13,608
oh, well, there's something out there,
1056
00:47:13,650 --> 00:47:15,078
but we don't know what they are,
1057
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:16,968
which has been the little pretend game
1058
00:47:17,010 --> 00:47:18,768
that everyone's been playing all this time.
1059
00:47:18,810 --> 00:47:21,575
Elizondo plays that game, 'cause he has to,
1060
00:47:21,617 --> 00:47:24,198
'cause he knows how far he's allowed to go.
1061
00:47:24,240 --> 00:47:26,898
- I'm not a whistleblower,
and as far as a leaker,
1062
00:47:26,940 --> 00:47:28,548
I'll be damned if someone's
gonna call me a leaker.
1063
00:47:28,590 --> 00:47:31,038
'cause a leaker is somebody
who takes classified information
1064
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:33,732
and provides it in an unauthorized manner
1065
00:47:33,774 --> 00:47:35,928
for the purpose of disclosure.
1066
00:47:35,970 --> 00:47:37,788
I've never done that,
and I never will do that.
1067
00:47:37,830 --> 00:47:41,838
- Do you think the U.S.
government has debris
1068
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:43,908
from a UFO in its possession right now?
1069
00:47:43,950 --> 00:47:44,741
- Unfortunately, Tucker,
1070
00:47:44,783 --> 00:47:47,088
I really have to be careful of my NDA.
1071
00:47:47,130 --> 00:47:49,835
I really can't go into a
lot of more detail in that.
1072
00:47:49,877 --> 00:47:50,668
- Okay.
1073
00:47:50,710 --> 00:47:52,964
- But, simply put, yes.
1074
00:47:53,006 --> 00:47:55,308
(tense music)
1075
00:47:55,350 --> 00:47:57,678
- [Narrator] Chris Mellon,
former Under Secretary
1076
00:47:57,720 --> 00:47:59,388
of Defense for Intelligence,
1077
00:47:59,430 --> 00:48:01,808
said in a Washington post op-ed
1078
00:48:01,850 --> 00:48:05,598
that the government had not
been studying the UFO topic,
1079
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:08,898
and because of his position,
he would know if it was.
1080
00:48:08,940 --> 00:48:13,278
But when we pressed him on it,
he made a stunning statement.
1081
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:17,193
- There's a bonafide issue
there, and I understand that.
1082
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:22,218
I was part of a process that
was supposedly reviewing
1083
00:48:22,260 --> 00:48:25,488
all of the Defense Department
special access programs,
1084
00:48:25,530 --> 00:48:27,498
and I also...
1085
00:48:27,540 --> 00:48:29,748
People don't generally
understand this taxonomy,
1086
00:48:29,790 --> 00:48:32,268
but there is a world of programs
1087
00:48:32,310 --> 00:48:33,321
within the Defense Department
1088
00:48:33,363 --> 00:48:35,508
that is entirely separate and distinct
1089
00:48:35,550 --> 00:48:36,558
from the intelligence community,
1090
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:38,778
is not shared with the
intelligence community.
1091
00:48:38,820 --> 00:48:40,248
And to some extent, vice versa.
1092
00:48:40,290 --> 00:48:42,052
In addition, there's a group of programs
1093
00:48:42,094 --> 00:48:43,518
in the Department of Energy.
1094
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:46,038
And again, those are not generally shared.
1095
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:47,838
So there's sort of three galaxies
1096
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:49,968
which intersect to some degree of
1097
00:48:50,010 --> 00:48:51,793
very tightly held programs.
1098
00:48:51,835 --> 00:48:54,438
I was very deep on two of the three,
1099
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:56,523
had some access to the third.
1100
00:48:58,140 --> 00:48:59,778
But as I've often said to people,
1101
00:48:59,820 --> 00:49:01,698
you don't know what you don't know.
1102
00:49:01,740 --> 00:49:06,740
And there is a possibility
that there was some very small,
1103
00:49:07,265 --> 00:49:09,648
tightly held, close
little group, for example,
1104
00:49:09,690 --> 00:49:11,458
that had some crash debris or something
1105
00:49:11,500 --> 00:49:14,358
and was working that, that
the rest of the department,
1106
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:15,826
and even we didn't know about
1107
00:49:15,868 --> 00:49:18,635
at the special access
program oversight committee.
1108
00:49:18,677 --> 00:49:20,868
(tense music)
1109
00:49:20,910 --> 00:49:24,348
- So now there are
reports of perhaps debris,
1110
00:49:24,390 --> 00:49:27,678
debris left over from UFOs.
1111
00:49:27,720 --> 00:49:29,448
- [Narrator] Even with
thinly veiled admissions
1112
00:49:29,490 --> 00:49:30,708
from those in the know
1113
00:49:30,750 --> 00:49:32,718
and evidence pointing to corporations
1114
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:35,148
having received materials to study,
1115
00:49:35,190 --> 00:49:37,791
details about any of
these physical materials
1116
00:49:37,833 --> 00:49:39,888
have been unverifiable
1117
00:49:39,930 --> 00:49:42,511
Recently that changed.
1118
00:49:42,553 --> 00:49:46,243
(curious electronic music)
1119
00:49:46,285 --> 00:49:48,918
- UFO investigator Anthony Bergalia
1120
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:50,838
finally received a reply
1121
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:52,728
to a Freedom of Information Act request
1122
00:49:52,770 --> 00:49:56,965
that he filed back in
2017 pertaining to, quote,
1123
00:49:57,007 --> 00:49:59,238
"physical debris recovered by personnel
1124
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:00,858
of the Department of Defense
1125
00:50:00,900 --> 00:50:04,248
as residue, shot off material,
1126
00:50:04,290 --> 00:50:07,878
or crashed UAP, or
unidentified flying objects."
1127
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:10,278
- [Narrator] After two
years of going back and forth
1128
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:12,468
and Bergalia's threat of lawsuits,
1129
00:50:12,510 --> 00:50:15,438
the DIA admitted that it had documents
1130
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:19,038
responsive to the request
on recovered UFO debris
1131
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:21,288
and its analysis, and a program
1132
00:50:21,330 --> 00:50:23,658
under which it was administered.
1133
00:50:23,700 --> 00:50:25,308
Included in the FOIA release
1134
00:50:25,350 --> 00:50:28,548
are reports about a variety
of advanced materials.
1135
00:50:28,590 --> 00:50:31,934
The report speculated about
how they may be created
1136
00:50:31,976 --> 00:50:34,278
and what they may be capable of.
1137
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:37,848
One is a well-known alloy called nitinol.
1138
00:50:37,890 --> 00:50:42,018
It's a shape-able,
memory-retaining titanium alloy.
1139
00:50:42,060 --> 00:50:47,058
Nitinol enjoys wide use today
in a variety of applications,
1140
00:50:47,100 --> 00:50:50,508
but its capabilities bear
similarity to the many accounts
1141
00:50:50,550 --> 00:50:54,048
about the so-called Roswell memory metal.
1142
00:50:54,090 --> 00:50:55,863
- Hey, is it from a crash?
1143
00:50:57,390 --> 00:50:58,458
- How do you know about that?
1144
00:50:58,500 --> 00:50:59,748
- We heard about it on the radio.
1145
00:50:59,790 --> 00:51:01,240
Everybody's talking about it.
1146
00:51:05,070 --> 00:51:05,903
- Abracadabra.
1147
00:51:09,026 --> 00:51:11,478
- How'd it do that?
1148
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:13,308
- [Narrator] The origins of nitinol
1149
00:51:13,350 --> 00:51:15,078
help make a case for stories
1150
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:17,058
of extraterrestrial technology
1151
00:51:17,100 --> 00:51:20,178
being recovered and delivered
to science and industry.
1152
00:51:20,220 --> 00:51:22,038
It was supposedly invented
1153
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:25,758
in a naval weapons research lab in 1959,
1154
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,368
but its origins have been
traced back even further
1155
00:51:28,410 --> 00:51:31,818
to a corporation called
Battelle Memorial Institute.
1156
00:51:31,860 --> 00:51:33,641
Since the late 1940s,
1157
00:51:33,683 --> 00:51:37,458
Battelle maintained a contract
to analyze metal samples
1158
00:51:37,500 --> 00:51:40,758
provided by Wright-Patterson
Air Force Base.
1159
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:45,683
Another is a class of
materials called metallic glass.
1160
00:51:45,725 --> 00:51:49,128
(computer beeping)
1161
00:51:49,170 --> 00:51:50,943
- Transparent aluminum?
1162
00:51:52,020 --> 00:51:54,075
- That's the ticket, laddy.
1163
00:51:54,117 --> 00:51:55,488
- [Narrator] The material described
1164
00:51:55,530 --> 00:51:57,678
in the Star Trek film "Voyage Home"
1165
00:51:57,720 --> 00:52:01,398
in 1986 actually exists.
1166
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:03,194
We find upon further research
1167
00:52:03,236 --> 00:52:06,858
that the original patents
for this type of metallic glass
1168
00:52:06,900 --> 00:52:08,941
was initially applied for in 1981
1169
00:52:08,983 --> 00:52:12,318
by the Raytheon Corporation.
1170
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:15,271
- These guys in Lockheed and TRW,
1171
00:52:15,313 --> 00:52:20,313
McDonald Douglas or Boeing,
General Electric, Raytheon.
1172
00:52:24,270 --> 00:52:26,778
Look, there's no way
they're gonna voluntarily
1173
00:52:26,820 --> 00:52:27,694
let this happen.
1174
00:52:27,736 --> 00:52:30,108
(tense music)
1175
00:52:30,150 --> 00:52:31,038
- [Narrator] There's more.
1176
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:35,058
We now enter the stunning
world of metamaterials.
1177
00:52:35,100 --> 00:52:36,858
In this recording from an interview
1178
00:52:36,900 --> 00:52:39,438
Lue Elizondo gave to the MUFON Journal,
1179
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:43,608
he discusses the finer
points of the materials claims.
1180
00:52:43,650 --> 00:52:47,478
- [Lue] So it was never about
unidentified metal alloys,
1181
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:49,578
any second-year metallurgist will tell you
1182
00:52:49,620 --> 00:52:52,128
elements are elements
and we can figure it out.
1183
00:52:52,170 --> 00:52:56,418
What was actually discussed
was certain metamaterials
1184
00:52:56,460 --> 00:53:01,460
in which their isotopic
ratios at the molecular level
1185
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:06,680
are so unique and so precise,
based on the complexity,
1186
00:53:07,710 --> 00:53:11,928
that the origins of those
materials remain unknown.
1187
00:53:11,970 --> 00:53:15,588
- If we do encounter
extraterrestrial materials,
1188
00:53:15,630 --> 00:53:17,268
they would've isotopic ratios
1189
00:53:17,310 --> 00:53:19,008
that are not found on the Earth
1190
00:53:19,050 --> 00:53:21,498
because of their exposure to cosmic rays,
1191
00:53:21,540 --> 00:53:23,388
different kinds of manufacture.
1192
00:53:23,430 --> 00:53:25,128
They would differ from us.
1193
00:53:25,170 --> 00:53:28,488
And so that's one way to analyze the fact
1194
00:53:28,530 --> 00:53:31,188
that these are in fact extraterrestrial
1195
00:53:31,230 --> 00:53:33,455
because they have
different isotopic ratios.
1196
00:53:33,497 --> 00:53:35,997
(tense music)
1197
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:38,568
- [Narrator] There are
more space age materials
1198
00:53:38,610 --> 00:53:39,978
described in the reports
1199
00:53:40,020 --> 00:53:43,128
that the Defense Intelligence
Agency acknowledges.
1200
00:53:43,170 --> 00:53:45,918
One type may be used to slow down light
1201
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:48,798
and even bring light
to a complete standstill.
1202
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:53,208
Another may induce invisibility
by manipulating refraction,
1203
00:53:53,250 --> 00:53:56,598
reflectivity, and
increasing light absorption.
1204
00:53:56,640 --> 00:54:00,048
- Metamaterials allow you to, in principle,
1205
00:54:00,090 --> 00:54:02,118
make objects invisible,
1206
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:04,968
in principle allow you to stop light,
1207
00:54:05,010 --> 00:54:07,098
in principle allow you to magnify things
1208
00:54:07,140 --> 00:54:10,068
beyond what we can do
with present-day technology.
1209
00:54:10,110 --> 00:54:12,858
We can do that in the microwave range.
1210
00:54:12,900 --> 00:54:16,578
We have not yet done it
in the optical frequencies.
1211
00:54:16,620 --> 00:54:18,528
- [Narrator] Another
has the interesting ability
1212
00:54:18,570 --> 00:54:21,228
to compress electromagnetic energy.
1213
00:54:21,270 --> 00:54:23,808
- Things that we would consider impossible
1214
00:54:23,850 --> 00:54:27,307
would become child's play
if you have a technology
1215
00:54:27,349 --> 00:54:31,488
that is centuries more advanced than us.
1216
00:54:31,530 --> 00:54:32,838
- [Narrator] Still another exhibits
1217
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:35,148
a particular tuneable resonance,
1218
00:54:35,190 --> 00:54:38,238
which was likely determined
during fabrication.
1219
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:41,418
- You see, if these objects
come from a civilization
1220
00:54:41,460 --> 00:54:43,012
more advanced than ours,
1221
00:54:43,054 --> 00:54:48,054
they have mastered the art of
manipulating individual atoms.
1222
00:54:48,510 --> 00:54:49,808
- [Narrator] The reports on these materials
1223
00:54:49,850 --> 00:54:51,978
have something in common.
1224
00:54:52,020 --> 00:54:54,469
They all talk about what
the materials might do
1225
00:54:54,511 --> 00:54:57,078
and their possible uses.
1226
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:59,508
This seems to be an indirect confirmation
1227
00:54:59,550 --> 00:55:03,473
that we didn't create them
and we're not sure what they do.
1228
00:55:03,515 --> 00:55:05,718
(tense music)
1229
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:09,558
- And they have to be
analyzed on several levels.
1230
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:12,438
First, they have to be
analyzed spectroscopically
1231
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:14,748
so we know what they're made of.
1232
00:55:14,790 --> 00:55:17,628
- So let's say that there is,
1233
00:55:17,670 --> 00:55:21,948
there are materials that some
other civilization has created
1234
00:55:21,990 --> 00:55:25,248
and that they have atomic-grade printing
1235
00:55:25,290 --> 00:55:27,465
that we don't have today.
1236
00:55:27,507 --> 00:55:30,678
The only way to understand
it is to de-assemble it
1237
00:55:30,720 --> 00:55:31,788
atom by atom.
1238
00:55:31,830 --> 00:55:32,928
- [Narrator] Dr. Garry Nolan
1239
00:55:32,970 --> 00:55:35,538
is a scientist at Stanford University.
1240
00:55:35,580 --> 00:55:37,758
He publicly stated that a new technique
1241
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:40,818
for mass spectrometry that he developed
1242
00:55:40,860 --> 00:55:42,048
attracted the attention
1243
00:55:42,090 --> 00:55:45,078
of those in possession of UFO materials.
1244
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:48,528
- Well there's one
technology that's in my lab
1245
00:55:48,570 --> 00:55:50,968
called secondary ion mass spec,
1246
00:55:51,010 --> 00:55:53,388
and we developed a company around it,
1247
00:55:53,430 --> 00:55:56,208
and the technology for using it
1248
00:55:56,250 --> 00:56:00,408
to read biopsy material
from patients, right?
1249
00:56:00,450 --> 00:56:03,978
And we had a way of labeling the biopsies
1250
00:56:04,020 --> 00:56:08,268
with metal tags delivered via antibodies,
1251
00:56:08,310 --> 00:56:10,368
and that would light up the tissue
1252
00:56:10,410 --> 00:56:12,978
in a way that would tell you something
1253
00:56:13,020 --> 00:56:14,538
about the distribution of those proteins
1254
00:56:14,580 --> 00:56:17,066
on and or in cancer cells
and immune system cells.
1255
00:56:17,108 --> 00:56:19,158
And it's a very successful technology
1256
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:20,028
that's worked very well.
1257
00:56:20,070 --> 00:56:24,351
It turns out that it was
tuned to look at metals,
1258
00:56:24,393 --> 00:56:26,748
'cause we were using the metal tags.
1259
00:56:26,790 --> 00:56:30,912
And so, when in discussions
with Jacques and others
1260
00:56:30,954 --> 00:56:33,858
that they said they had
these pieces of metal,
1261
00:56:33,900 --> 00:56:34,788
I said, "Well, I have an instrument
1262
00:56:34,830 --> 00:56:38,268
that's perfectly tuned to
look at metals, so let's do it."
1263
00:56:38,310 --> 00:56:40,098
- What that stuff consisted of
1264
00:56:40,140 --> 00:56:42,468
and why they think it's off planet
1265
00:56:42,510 --> 00:56:46,668
and what the testing showed
about its, the possibility
1266
00:56:46,710 --> 00:56:49,488
that nothing like that
could appear on Earth,
1267
00:56:49,530 --> 00:56:52,398
that's all stuff we were
not able to get access to.
1268
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:53,508
We don't know.
1269
00:56:53,550 --> 00:56:55,758
- [Narrator] Upon release
of the FOIA request,
1270
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:57,678
there was evidence of internal commotion
1271
00:56:57,720 --> 00:56:59,943
inside the DIA and the Pentagon.
1272
00:57:00,900 --> 00:57:01,998
- The powers that be.
1273
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:03,241
I mean, there are such people,
1274
00:57:03,283 --> 00:57:05,358
I think they realized,
all right, you just went,
1275
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:06,495
you went actually as far as you could go,
1276
00:57:06,537 --> 00:57:08,238
and in fact you went a little too far.
1277
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:09,888
We're gonna dial it back.
1278
00:57:09,930 --> 00:57:12,828
- [Narrator] Susan Gough,
a Pentagon spokesperson,
1279
00:57:12,870 --> 00:57:14,358
said that although she was aware
1280
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:16,218
of the social media chatter,
1281
00:57:16,260 --> 00:57:18,558
the information provided by the DIA
1282
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:20,148
actually relates in some way
1283
00:57:20,190 --> 00:57:23,963
to an advanced weapons
program and not UFO items.
1284
00:57:24,005 --> 00:57:25,998
- If you start with different assumptions
1285
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:27,888
about how something might operate,
1286
00:57:27,930 --> 00:57:29,568
you can come up with things
1287
00:57:29,610 --> 00:57:33,734
that another equally advanced civilization,
1288
00:57:33,776 --> 00:57:36,738
America, let's say, or
Western civilization,
1289
00:57:36,780 --> 00:57:39,062
doesn't understand how it works.
1290
00:57:39,104 --> 00:57:41,628
But that doesn't mean it came from ET.
1291
00:57:41,670 --> 00:57:44,598
But I suspect that
Freedom of Information Act
1292
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:46,662
is talking about
something a little different.
1293
00:57:46,704 --> 00:57:49,248
(tense music)
1294
00:57:49,290 --> 00:57:51,959
- [Narrator] Some of the main
players in the material story
1295
00:57:52,001 --> 00:57:53,658
were making new statements
1296
00:57:53,700 --> 00:57:57,078
that changed previously reported facts.
1297
00:57:57,120 --> 00:57:58,008
- Right, this is a counter,
1298
00:57:58,050 --> 00:57:59,621
this is "The Empire Strikes Back".
1299
00:57:59,663 --> 00:58:01,248
This is what we're seeing.
1300
00:58:01,290 --> 00:58:03,618
You're seeing the major Establishment,
1301
00:58:03,660 --> 00:58:05,778
which was on the back
foot for over three years
1302
00:58:05,820 --> 00:58:08,868
because of the offensive
of the UFO faction.
1303
00:58:08,910 --> 00:58:10,158
They were on retreat.
1304
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:11,688
They've gathered their resources.
1305
00:58:11,730 --> 00:58:13,598
They're like, you know,
we don't really want,
1306
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:16,368
we can't go any farther than we've gone.
1307
00:58:16,410 --> 00:58:17,628
- Harry Reid walked it back
1308
00:58:17,670 --> 00:58:18,978
as far as with the New York Times
1309
00:58:19,020 --> 00:58:21,018
about Lockheed having artifacts.
1310
00:58:21,060 --> 00:58:23,793
And so they get these phone calls.
1311
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:28,308
I mean, why else catch
yourself after the fact
1312
00:58:28,350 --> 00:58:30,378
and go, "I should have never said that?"
1313
00:58:30,420 --> 00:58:31,770
And there's a pattern here.
1314
00:58:31,812 --> 00:58:36,812
It always pertains to physical evidence.
1315
00:58:37,410 --> 00:58:38,898
- In our New York Times story,
1316
00:58:38,940 --> 00:58:43,940
we said that a hangar was
built to contain materials.
1317
00:58:47,850 --> 00:58:51,288
Okay, we didn't say that
materials were obtained
1318
00:58:51,330 --> 00:58:52,518
and put in the hangar.
1319
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:55,068
- You did an interview with Jesse Michaels.
1320
00:58:55,110 --> 00:58:58,098
In that interview, you laid
out some of the materials.
1321
00:58:58,140 --> 00:58:58,931
- Mm-hmm.
1322
00:58:58,973 --> 00:59:00,910
- Very excitingly, we have parts.
1323
00:59:00,952 --> 00:59:04,108
Okay, the parts were a
little anticlimactic and small,
1324
00:59:04,150 --> 00:59:06,648
but he claims to have much bigger parts
1325
00:59:06,690 --> 00:59:09,948
that we can't see due to
national security sensitivities.
1326
00:59:09,990 --> 00:59:12,544
- But then, when you
did the interview with Lex,
1327
00:59:12,586 --> 00:59:16,698
you said that you had materials
just from Jacques Vallee,
1328
00:59:16,740 --> 00:59:18,318
which obviously wouldn't be classified,
1329
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:21,138
and from TTSA, which
wouldn't be classified.
1330
00:59:21,180 --> 00:59:23,508
- There's two classes of materials
1331
00:59:23,550 --> 00:59:25,968
that I've been given by people,
1332
00:59:26,010 --> 00:59:28,308
and they're not given by
the government or anything.
1333
00:59:28,350 --> 00:59:30,468
- So have you studied classified materials,
1334
00:59:30,510 --> 00:59:31,698
but you just don't gave them?
1335
00:59:31,740 --> 00:59:33,138
- I just shouldn't say anything more.
1336
00:59:33,180 --> 00:59:34,428
- You shouldn't say anything about that?
1337
00:59:34,470 --> 00:59:35,418
Okay. All right.
1338
00:59:35,460 --> 00:59:36,251
- You can put that on there.
1339
00:59:36,293 --> 00:59:37,728
I just can't say anything more.
1340
00:59:37,770 --> 00:59:39,138
- Right, no, that's fine.
1341
00:59:39,180 --> 00:59:42,336
- Might have been an
accidental truth moment.
1342
00:59:42,378 --> 00:59:44,878
(tense music)
1343
00:59:46,230 --> 00:59:48,948
- [Narrator] FOIA responses
are based on reacting
1344
00:59:48,990 --> 00:59:51,318
to very specific wording.
1345
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:53,628
The FOIA response from the DIA
1346
00:59:53,670 --> 00:59:56,988
specifically refers to
recovered materials from UFOs
1347
00:59:57,030 --> 00:59:59,478
being studied at Bigelow Aerospace.
1348
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:01,458
This is official confirmation
1349
01:00:01,500 --> 01:00:04,518
that these studies indeed occurred.
1350
01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:06,558
- Bigelow Aerospace is massive.
1351
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:09,678
It's surrounded on most sides
by these gigantic vacant lots.
1352
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:12,108
It's surrounded by
multiple layers of fencing,
1353
01:00:12,150 --> 01:00:14,588
including barbed wire, video surveillance,
1354
01:00:14,630 --> 01:00:17,508
24-hour security guards everywhere.
1355
01:00:17,550 --> 01:00:19,728
This place is a fortress.
1356
01:00:19,770 --> 01:00:22,368
- [Narrator] Multiple
reports also seem to confirm
1357
01:00:22,410 --> 01:00:25,068
the presence of materials at the facility.
1358
01:00:25,110 --> 01:00:29,268
But after the release of the
documents, the story changed.
1359
01:00:29,310 --> 01:00:31,248
- For years, one of the secret studies
1360
01:00:31,290 --> 01:00:34,308
was carried out by BASS,
a Las Vegas operation
1361
01:00:34,350 --> 01:00:36,468
hidden within Bigelow Aerospace,
1362
01:00:36,510 --> 01:00:38,658
documents first reported by the I-Team
1363
01:00:38,700 --> 01:00:41,988
show that bass landed
a contract with the DIA,
1364
01:00:42,030 --> 01:00:44,148
and one of the objectives was to study
1365
01:00:44,190 --> 01:00:46,068
so-called metamaterials.
1366
01:00:46,110 --> 01:00:48,378
Multiple sources have confirmed to us
1367
01:00:48,420 --> 01:00:51,738
there was a weird piece of
something at the Bigelow plant.
1368
01:00:51,780 --> 01:00:52,758
New York Times reported
1369
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:55,450
that you modified your facility here
1370
01:00:55,492 --> 01:00:59,958
in order to house some
material from somewhere else.
1371
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:01,050
Did you ever have it?
1372
01:01:02,583 --> 01:01:05,349
- We never had any. - Did you ever see any?
1373
01:01:05,391 --> 01:01:08,808
(interviewee stammering)
1374
01:01:09,749 --> 01:01:14,749
You know, do you see, do you see...
1375
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:20,360
- It's the old "Raiders of the
Lost Ark" warehouse scene.
1376
01:01:20,430 --> 01:01:22,188
We got our top people working on it,
1377
01:01:22,230 --> 01:01:23,021
Who are your top people?
1378
01:01:23,063 --> 01:01:24,258
Oh, they're top.
1379
01:01:24,300 --> 01:01:26,178
- [Narrator] In March of 2022,
1380
01:01:26,220 --> 01:01:28,338
the Defense Intelligence Agency
1381
01:01:28,380 --> 01:01:30,408
responded to another FOIA request
1382
01:01:30,450 --> 01:01:32,988
that demanded information
about the work of AATIP
1383
01:01:33,030 --> 01:01:34,788
and its previous versions.
1384
01:01:34,830 --> 01:01:37,038
The result was 1,500 pages
1385
01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:39,798
that included 38 independent papers
1386
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:42,080
about potential advanced technology.
1387
01:01:42,122 --> 01:01:44,718
The authors of some of these reports
1388
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:46,368
are many of the same people
1389
01:01:46,410 --> 01:01:49,188
that have been involved
in secret UFO programs
1390
01:01:49,230 --> 01:01:51,858
all the way back to the late 1960s.
1391
01:01:51,900 --> 01:01:53,958
These reports came in the form
1392
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:57,048
of defense intelligence
reference documents.
1393
01:01:57,090 --> 01:02:00,888
Some of the technologies
that were explored include
1394
01:02:00,930 --> 01:02:02,898
advanced nuclear propulsion
1395
01:02:02,940 --> 01:02:05,343
for manned, deep space missions,
1396
01:02:06,390 --> 01:02:08,778
aneutronic fusion propulsion,
1397
01:02:08,820 --> 01:02:12,438
pulsed high-power microwave technology,
1398
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:16,128
anti-gravity for aerospace applications.
1399
01:02:16,170 --> 01:02:19,518
- I think when talking about
extraterrestrial civilizations,
1400
01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:22,022
we have to be open to the
fact that their technology
1401
01:02:22,064 --> 01:02:26,169
is thousands of years more
advanced than our technology.
1402
01:02:26,211 --> 01:02:29,868
But then the question
is, is it possible that we,
1403
01:02:29,910 --> 01:02:32,091
that we humans, can also partake
1404
01:02:32,133 --> 01:02:35,478
of some of these advanced technologies?
1405
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:37,638
- [Narrator] Space
communication implications
1406
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:41,298
of quantum entanglement and non locality,
1407
01:02:41,340 --> 01:02:45,078
high-frequency gravitational
wave communications.
1408
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:47,642
- I take two objects,
1409
01:02:47,684 --> 01:02:51,438
two particles that are quantumly entangled,
1410
01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:55,068
and if I do something to
this one, this one responds.
1411
01:02:55,110 --> 01:02:57,633
And if you separate those two by a foot,
1412
01:02:58,500 --> 01:03:00,828
when I do something here,
something happens here.
1413
01:03:00,870 --> 01:03:02,418
But something even more magical happens
1414
01:03:02,460 --> 01:03:03,978
that when I take these objects
1415
01:03:04,020 --> 01:03:05,328
and I put them one here
1416
01:03:05,370 --> 01:03:07,744
and one at the farthest
end of the visible universe,
1417
01:03:07,786 --> 01:03:10,878
that direction, 13.5 billion light years,
1418
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:12,438
and I take the other particle,
1419
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:16,698
I put it in that direction,
13.5 billion light years away,
1420
01:03:16,740 --> 01:03:21,740
when I do this, this one
responds instantaneously.
1421
01:03:22,290 --> 01:03:25,068
- [Narrator] Traversable
wormhole, stargates,
1422
01:03:25,110 --> 01:03:26,838
and negative energy.
1423
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:28,188
- Special relativity says
1424
01:03:28,230 --> 01:03:30,168
you cannot break the light barrier,
1425
01:03:30,210 --> 01:03:33,768
but special relativity has a loophole.
1426
01:03:33,810 --> 01:03:37,938
The loophole is general
relativity, the theory of gravity,
1427
01:03:37,980 --> 01:03:41,538
whereby you can bend
time and space into a pretzel
1428
01:03:41,580 --> 01:03:44,568
if you have enough matter and energy,
1429
01:03:44,610 --> 01:03:46,368
an energy which we won't have
1430
01:03:46,410 --> 01:03:50,058
perhaps for another
100,000 to a million years.
1431
01:03:50,100 --> 01:03:52,458
So it's not for us.
1432
01:03:52,500 --> 01:03:55,338
Perhaps for an
extraterrestrial civilization,
1433
01:03:55,380 --> 01:03:57,378
but it's not for us.
1434
01:03:57,420 --> 01:03:59,778
- [Narrator] Warp drive, dark energy,
1435
01:03:59,820 --> 01:04:02,688
and the manipulation of extra dimensions.
1436
01:04:02,730 --> 01:04:05,508
- We have to be open to the possibility
1437
01:04:05,550 --> 01:04:08,899
that there are other
dimensions and shortcuts,
1438
01:04:08,941 --> 01:04:13,098
perhaps shortcuts
between different universes.
1439
01:04:13,140 --> 01:04:15,858
Now, of course, moving
through these higher dimensions
1440
01:04:15,900 --> 01:04:18,438
would require a technology
much more advanced
1441
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:20,478
than anything we have.
1442
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:22,428
- [Narrator] Concepts for extracting energy
1443
01:04:22,470 --> 01:04:24,558
from the quantum vacuum.
1444
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:26,988
- You would have to be a
very advanced civilization
1445
01:04:27,030 --> 01:04:30,738
to get net usable energy from nothing.
1446
01:04:30,780 --> 01:04:33,018
In other words, it's not for us.
1447
01:04:33,060 --> 01:04:36,063
That doesn't mean an
advanced civilization can't do it.
1448
01:04:36,930 --> 01:04:37,968
- [Narrator] Quantum computing
1449
01:04:38,010 --> 01:04:42,828
and utilizing organic molecules
in automation technology;
1450
01:04:42,870 --> 01:04:46,338
technological approaches
to controlling external devices
1451
01:04:46,380 --> 01:04:49,308
in the absence of limb-operated interfaces.
1452
01:04:49,350 --> 01:04:51,708
- Our most advanced
understanding of the brain
1453
01:04:51,750 --> 01:04:56,418
comes from BCI, brain computer interface.
1454
01:04:56,460 --> 01:04:59,931
We can take a chip, put it
on the surface of the brain,
1455
01:04:59,973 --> 01:05:03,288
have that chip connected
to a laptop computer
1456
01:05:03,330 --> 01:05:06,168
that then analyzes the
impulses of the brain
1457
01:05:06,210 --> 01:05:10,878
and deciphers it, and then
uses it to control something.
1458
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:13,938
And so you can imagine what we can do today
1459
01:05:13,980 --> 01:05:17,448
and then extrapolate to the future.
1460
01:05:17,490 --> 01:05:20,898
- [Narrator] Aerospace
applications of programmable matter.
1461
01:05:20,940 --> 01:05:24,918
- If you could design
something atom by atom
1462
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:27,273
and position things atom by atom,
1463
01:05:28,350 --> 01:05:30,738
then there's a lot more we could do
1464
01:05:30,780 --> 01:05:33,738
with material science than we can do today.
1465
01:05:33,780 --> 01:05:36,138
- [Narrator] Ultra capacitors as energy
1466
01:05:36,180 --> 01:05:38,808
and power storage devices;
1467
01:05:38,850 --> 01:05:41,928
role of superconductors
in gravity research.
1468
01:05:41,970 --> 01:05:44,549
- Most of what we create today
1469
01:05:44,591 --> 01:05:49,591
in even the superconductor
areas is basically recipes.
1470
01:05:50,940 --> 01:05:52,818
They're not designs.
1471
01:05:52,860 --> 01:05:54,318
- [Narrator] Many of these technologies
1472
01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:56,988
are beyond the realm of current science.
1473
01:05:57,030 --> 01:05:59,328
These technologies are discussed
1474
01:05:59,370 --> 01:06:03,228
as if someone knows that
they are entirely possible,
1475
01:06:03,270 --> 01:06:06,468
even in some stage of
successful development.
1476
01:06:06,510 --> 01:06:08,418
- I will tell you unequivocally,
1477
01:06:08,460 --> 01:06:11,298
if a man like Robert
Bigelow were to ask you
1478
01:06:11,340 --> 01:06:13,788
to come on board to do something,
1479
01:06:13,830 --> 01:06:18,830
man, I would do it
without a blink of an eye.
1480
01:06:19,560 --> 01:06:21,588
It would be almost reflexive
1481
01:06:21,630 --> 01:06:22,421
When did we start?
1482
01:06:22,463 --> 01:06:23,254
Let's go.
1483
01:06:23,296 --> 01:06:25,548
He's a good man, and he's also a patriot.
1484
01:06:25,590 --> 01:06:27,783
- Machinery really does exist.
1485
01:06:28,950 --> 01:06:30,063
Does exist.
1486
01:06:31,140 --> 01:06:36,140
The problem has been the
inability to back engineer.
1487
01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:41,573
And I kind of think that some things
1488
01:06:42,690 --> 01:06:45,242
require a weightless environment.
1489
01:06:45,284 --> 01:06:47,784
(tense music)
1490
01:06:53,054 --> 01:06:54,678
(tense music)
1491
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:56,418
- [Narrator] It is generally accepted
1492
01:06:56,460 --> 01:06:59,658
that the new narrative broke in late 2017.
1493
01:06:59,700 --> 01:07:01,638
It was actually Robert Bigelow
1494
01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:03,828
who made spellbinding revelations
1495
01:07:03,870 --> 01:07:06,408
before anybody knew that he was involved
1496
01:07:06,450 --> 01:07:09,150
in government contracts to study UFOs.
1497
01:07:09,990 --> 01:07:12,948
(eerie music)
1498
01:07:12,990 --> 01:07:14,732
- Do you believe in aliens?
1499
01:07:14,774 --> 01:07:17,422
- I am absolutely convinced.
That's all there is to it.
1500
01:07:17,464 --> 01:07:20,838
- Do you also believe that
UFOs have come to Earth?
1501
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:22,733
- There has been, and
is, an existing presence,
1502
01:07:22,775 --> 01:07:24,468
an ET presence.
1503
01:07:24,510 --> 01:07:26,028
- You have the interview
that Robert Bigelow did
1504
01:07:26,070 --> 01:07:29,285
on "60 Minutes", really
an amazing interview.
1505
01:07:29,327 --> 01:07:33,948
This is one of the most
knowledgeable people on this planet,
1506
01:07:33,990 --> 01:07:36,408
in my view, on the subject of UFOs.
1507
01:07:36,450 --> 01:07:37,488
And he is also a billionaire,
1508
01:07:37,530 --> 01:07:39,348
and he's also got a lot
of influence in this world.
1509
01:07:39,390 --> 01:07:41,988
And here he is saying aliens are real,
1510
01:07:42,030 --> 01:07:44,538
and indeed they're
actually walking among us.
1511
01:07:44,580 --> 01:07:45,828
- [Narrator] His unshakeable statement
1512
01:07:45,870 --> 01:07:49,218
regarding the reality of
an extraterrestrial presence
1513
01:07:49,260 --> 01:07:51,918
drew some media reaction.
1514
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:54,498
Its significance did not become clear
1515
01:07:54,540 --> 01:07:57,078
until the story of Bigelow Aerospace
1516
01:07:57,120 --> 01:08:00,738
and its role in AATIP began to unfold.
1517
01:08:00,780 --> 01:08:02,898
- The New York Times came
out with a couple of articles,
1518
01:08:02,940 --> 01:08:07,158
essentially downplaying any
ET component of these sightings,
1519
01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:09,558
but also playing down the fact
1520
01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:11,148
that they may be Russian or Chinese
1521
01:08:11,190 --> 01:08:13,518
and also playing down the fact
1522
01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:18,175
that these are advanced
U.S. classified prototypes.
1523
01:08:18,218 --> 01:08:20,417
Well, if they're gonna play
all of those things down,
1524
01:08:20,460 --> 01:08:22,920
then I would ask, what gets played up?
1525
01:08:22,961 --> 01:08:25,428
Because there's nothing left.
1526
01:08:25,469 --> 01:08:27,258
- [Narrator] Confronted
with the challenge of weaving
1527
01:08:27,300 --> 01:08:29,276
Robert Bigelow's informed beliefs
1528
01:08:29,318 --> 01:08:33,349
into the story Chris Mellon
had revealed, Mellon said this.
1529
01:08:33,390 --> 01:08:36,167
- There aren't many people associated
1530
01:08:36,210 --> 01:08:39,315
with the Establishment who are so bold
1531
01:08:39,357 --> 01:08:42,633
and willing to make statements like that.
1532
01:08:43,528 --> 01:08:45,917
Many of the Navy pilots themselves
1533
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:48,235
who've engaged these craft
1534
01:08:48,277 --> 01:08:51,108
go there because they can't conceive
1535
01:08:51,149 --> 01:08:53,298
of any other explanation, frankly.
1536
01:08:53,340 --> 01:08:54,378
- [Narrator] When Lue Elizondo
1537
01:08:54,420 --> 01:08:56,688
was asked about Bigelow's statements,
1538
01:08:56,729 --> 01:08:59,868
his response corroborated
Bigelow's position.
1539
01:08:59,910 --> 01:09:02,958
- He has his own space stations in space.
1540
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:04,068
People will say, what do you mean?
1541
01:09:04,110 --> 01:09:07,761
Yeah, he has his own right now in space.
1542
01:09:07,803 --> 01:09:10,358
I mean, I don't know
who else has done that.
1543
01:09:10,399 --> 01:09:12,858
And, by the way, he's
done it for a long time.
1544
01:09:12,899 --> 01:09:15,737
So give the guy some credit.
1545
01:09:15,780 --> 01:09:17,497
He knows what he's talking about.
1546
01:09:17,540 --> 01:09:19,667
(tense music)
1547
01:09:19,710 --> 01:09:23,628
- They have stated flatly
they're not one of ours.
1548
01:09:23,670 --> 01:09:26,808
Then the question is, whose are they?
1549
01:09:26,850 --> 01:09:28,098
- [Narrator] All of the people involved
1550
01:09:28,139 --> 01:09:29,237
in the current narrative
1551
01:09:29,280 --> 01:09:31,157
are deliberately stopping short
1552
01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:33,167
of identifying the phenomenon
1553
01:09:33,210 --> 01:09:36,138
as originating from extraterrestrials.
1554
01:09:36,180 --> 01:09:40,608
- We have all these tales
going back centuries, millennia
1555
01:09:40,649 --> 01:09:43,818
about visitations and strange beings.
1556
01:09:43,860 --> 01:09:48,438
Maybe it's a record of
visits from alien civilizations.
1557
01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:50,478
You can't rule out the fact that, yeah,
1558
01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:52,667
maybe we have been visited in the past.
1559
01:09:52,710 --> 01:09:54,198
You can't rule it out.
1560
01:09:54,240 --> 01:09:58,309
- So you say, one by one,
they're not natural phenomena,
1561
01:09:58,352 --> 01:10:02,028
they're not weather balloons,
they're not U.S. technology,
1562
01:10:02,070 --> 01:10:04,260
they're not Russian, they're not Chinese,
1563
01:10:04,302 --> 01:10:05,987
they're not optical illusions,
1564
01:10:06,030 --> 01:10:07,608
they're not mental illness
1565
01:10:07,650 --> 01:10:09,918
on the part of the people who report them,
1566
01:10:09,960 --> 01:10:12,618
because these are our
most highly-trained experts
1567
01:10:12,660 --> 01:10:13,848
who are reporting these things
1568
01:10:13,889 --> 01:10:16,878
and they've been caught on,
as I said, navy instrumentation.
1569
01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:21,258
So what are you left with?
Well, no one is going there.
1570
01:10:21,300 --> 01:10:24,018
- Our view is let's follow
the trail wherever it leads,
1571
01:10:24,059 --> 01:10:26,612
let's get the data, the
best evidence possible.
1572
01:10:27,540 --> 01:10:30,798
There's probably more than
one phenomenon at work here.
1573
01:10:30,840 --> 01:10:35,478
- [Narrator] They refuse
to say the A-word: alien.
1574
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:37,128
Why?
1575
01:10:37,170 --> 01:10:40,473
- Assuming that these
things are all of alien origin,
1576
01:10:42,570 --> 01:10:43,398
for a variety of reasons,
1577
01:10:43,440 --> 01:10:45,145
in part because people shut down
1578
01:10:45,187 --> 01:10:49,157
and it impedes our progress.
1579
01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:50,838
And some of the allies
1580
01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:52,626
and people that we need to bring to bear
1581
01:10:52,668 --> 01:10:57,025
who are now getting on board wouldn't do so
1582
01:10:57,067 --> 01:11:00,708
if we started with the
premise that these are aliens.
1583
01:11:00,750 --> 01:11:03,138
- I think the word "alien" is a little...
1584
01:11:03,180 --> 01:11:05,397
People are afraid of the word "alien."
1585
01:11:06,480 --> 01:11:09,438
ET, extraterrestrial, non-humans.
1586
01:11:09,480 --> 01:11:11,751
- I'm always concerned about
1587
01:11:11,793 --> 01:11:16,000
getting ahead of our
headlights, frankly, and talking,
1588
01:11:18,719 --> 01:11:20,058
leaping into conclusions.
1589
01:11:20,100 --> 01:11:22,532
- For me it's more of
the thrill of the hunt.
1590
01:11:23,490 --> 01:11:26,088
It's trying to figure out the unknowns.
1591
01:11:26,130 --> 01:11:30,498
Because once they're known,
they're no longer a mystery.
1592
01:11:30,540 --> 01:11:32,657
- What it is no one's admitted yet.
1593
01:11:32,700 --> 01:11:35,058
And you've got plenty of video evidence
1594
01:11:35,100 --> 01:11:37,788
of Lue and Chris not admitting it,
1595
01:11:37,830 --> 01:11:40,188
because they can't say it,
1596
01:11:40,230 --> 01:11:42,941
but they've said it in as
many ways as you can.
1597
01:11:42,983 --> 01:11:45,678
Anybody bright enough to listen
1598
01:11:45,719 --> 01:11:49,449
will, as you say, understand
the accidental truth.
1599
01:11:49,491 --> 01:11:51,991
(tense music)
1600
01:11:57,150 --> 01:11:59,718
- [Narrator] During the interview in 2018,
1601
01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:02,433
Lue Elizondo gave us an accidental truth.
1602
01:12:04,290 --> 01:12:05,931
- [Ron] You've spoken about
some of the technologies
1603
01:12:05,973 --> 01:12:08,178
that are being studied as a spinoff
1604
01:12:08,219 --> 01:12:09,858
of the research you did at AATIP,
1605
01:12:09,900 --> 01:12:11,418
things like bending space-time
1606
01:12:11,460 --> 01:12:15,798
and Einstein-type
possibilities that may unfold.
1607
01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:18,768
Is there an interdimensional
element to any of this
1608
01:12:18,809 --> 01:12:21,393
that you guys maybe explored?
1609
01:12:22,469 --> 01:12:24,258
- Other dimensions may absolutely exist.
1610
01:12:24,300 --> 01:12:27,258
You look at string
theory, look at M-theory.
1611
01:12:27,300 --> 01:12:29,388
Dimensions are all around us.
1612
01:12:29,430 --> 01:12:33,138
So I think you have to cast a wide net
1613
01:12:33,180 --> 01:12:34,638
when you're looking at this,
1614
01:12:34,680 --> 01:12:35,778
and that's why I've said before,
1615
01:12:35,820 --> 01:12:37,008
whether they're from outer space,
1616
01:12:37,050 --> 01:12:38,568
innerspace, or the space in between,
1617
01:12:38,610 --> 01:12:41,898
we just don't know, and we
need to collect more data.
1618
01:12:41,940 --> 01:12:44,508
Is it possible? Absolutely it's possible.
1619
01:12:44,550 --> 01:12:47,048
Is it possible they're
from the Pleiades? Sure.
1620
01:12:47,090 --> 01:12:49,998
Is it possible that
they've been here all along
1621
01:12:50,040 --> 01:12:50,831
and they're from here,
1622
01:12:50,873 --> 01:12:53,868
they're just resonating
at a different vibration?
1623
01:12:53,910 --> 01:12:54,743
Sure.
1624
01:12:56,190 --> 01:12:58,562
- [Ron] It seems like the
only question that's answered
1625
01:12:58,603 --> 01:13:00,978
in the ones you just posed,
1626
01:13:01,020 --> 01:13:04,323
is that rather or not
there is an actual they.
1627
01:13:05,610 --> 01:13:07,391
- That's a great question.
1628
01:13:07,433 --> 01:13:09,421
I don't know if I can answer that.
1629
01:13:09,463 --> 01:13:11,688
(tense music)
1630
01:13:11,730 --> 01:13:13,368
- [Narrator] Few seem willing to officially
1631
01:13:13,410 --> 01:13:15,018
pronounce the phenomenon
1632
01:13:15,059 --> 01:13:17,898
as originating from extraterrestrials.
1633
01:13:17,940 --> 01:13:19,998
There is a willingness to concede
1634
01:13:20,040 --> 01:13:23,327
that there might be
extraterrestrial involvement.
1635
01:13:23,370 --> 01:13:25,638
- What's here is probably just an AI.
1636
01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:29,448
Why spend all your
time on one little planet
1637
01:13:29,490 --> 01:13:32,088
out in the dust spec at
the edge of the galaxy?
1638
01:13:32,130 --> 01:13:34,289
You send your robots.
1639
01:13:34,331 --> 01:13:37,728
- The question is, what's
our definition of life?
1640
01:13:37,770 --> 01:13:41,268
I think life may exist, may exist,
1641
01:13:41,309 --> 01:13:45,588
and I'll caveat that,
in all sorts of forms.
1642
01:13:45,630 --> 01:13:47,478
I don't think it's necessarily
gonna be something
1643
01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:48,708
that we might recognize
1644
01:13:48,750 --> 01:13:51,982
or even initially even classify as life,
1645
01:13:52,023 --> 01:13:54,737
'cause we don't have a
full understanding of it.
1646
01:13:54,780 --> 01:13:56,598
- [Narrator] There is a growing consensus
1647
01:13:56,639 --> 01:13:58,728
that the extraterrestrial hypothesis
1648
01:13:58,771 --> 01:14:01,608
doesn't answer all of the questions.
1649
01:14:01,650 --> 01:14:03,948
There are multiple phenomena at work
1650
01:14:03,990 --> 01:14:06,018
that cannot be explained completely
1651
01:14:06,059 --> 01:14:08,237
without looking at other possibilities.
1652
01:14:08,280 --> 01:14:09,318
- It may be there's a whole range
1653
01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:11,388
of different phenomena at play here.
1654
01:14:11,430 --> 01:14:13,728
In fact, I think given the differences
1655
01:14:13,770 --> 01:14:18,348
in what's been reported
by people, that's quite likely,
1656
01:14:18,389 --> 01:14:22,021
that there are many different
parallel strands to this.
1657
01:14:22,063 --> 01:14:25,847
But whatever is involved,
and as I say, I don't know,
1658
01:14:25,889 --> 01:14:30,378
I think it does raise important defense,
1659
01:14:30,420 --> 01:14:32,118
national security and air safety issues.
1660
01:14:32,160 --> 01:14:34,998
- An ET hypothesis, for instance,
1661
01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:37,128
is a logical starting point,
1662
01:14:37,170 --> 01:14:39,258
if not from here, from where,
1663
01:14:39,300 --> 01:14:43,128
until you start talking about,
well, what do you mean where?
1664
01:14:43,170 --> 01:14:45,798
- We think that an object is solid
1665
01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:48,858
and can only be one place at the same time.
1666
01:14:48,900 --> 01:14:50,058
But in quantum mechanics,
1667
01:14:50,100 --> 01:14:53,148
electrons can be two
places at the same time.
1668
01:14:53,190 --> 01:14:55,098
In fact, they can be many places.
1669
01:14:55,139 --> 01:14:57,733
And this is called the multiverse idea,
1670
01:14:57,775 --> 01:15:02,775
the idea that we exist with
other universes simultaneously.
1671
01:15:02,820 --> 01:15:04,038
- Well, wait a minute.
1672
01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:07,608
We're talking about
multidimensional realities.
1673
01:15:07,650 --> 01:15:09,378
- It doesn't really matter how far you go
1674
01:15:09,420 --> 01:15:11,898
at a three-dimensional space and distance,
1675
01:15:11,940 --> 01:15:13,458
that there are shortcuts,
1676
01:15:13,500 --> 01:15:18,500
and those shortcuts exist as
part of the natural universe.
1677
01:15:18,780 --> 01:15:20,088
So that is a real-world example
1678
01:15:20,130 --> 01:15:24,258
where we know other
dimensions may absolutely exist.
1679
01:15:24,300 --> 01:15:28,038
- Whether it's extraterrestrial
or interdimensional
1680
01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:30,288
to me is irrelevant,
1681
01:15:30,330 --> 01:15:33,827
because whatever it
is clearly has the ability
1682
01:15:33,870 --> 01:15:36,618
to manipulate dimensionality.
1683
01:15:36,660 --> 01:15:41,073
These things can jump in
and out, appear, disappear.
1684
01:15:42,030 --> 01:15:44,809
And so, for all intents
and purposes, it's both.
1685
01:15:44,851 --> 01:15:46,248
(tense music)
1686
01:15:46,290 --> 01:15:48,228
- [Narrator] In August of 2022,
1687
01:15:48,270 --> 01:15:50,178
Dr. Hal Puthoff released a paper
1688
01:15:50,219 --> 01:15:51,976
in which he explored other options
1689
01:15:52,018 --> 01:15:53,778
for what may be at work.
1690
01:15:53,820 --> 01:15:57,978
He presented concepts such
as ultra-terrestrial beings,
1691
01:15:58,020 --> 01:16:01,068
the concept that there could
be another intelligent race
1692
01:16:01,110 --> 01:16:04,608
living with us, inside
the Earth, or underwater,
1693
01:16:04,650 --> 01:16:07,002
a civilization with advanced technology
1694
01:16:07,044 --> 01:16:10,518
that has been here long before us.
1695
01:16:10,559 --> 01:16:12,198
Time travelers.
1696
01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:14,718
While mainstream science
debates the feasibility
1697
01:16:14,760 --> 01:16:18,528
of time travel, it still
remains a possibility.
1698
01:16:18,570 --> 01:16:22,157
- Some people say that the
aliens don't come from Mars,
1699
01:16:22,200 --> 01:16:24,168
they don't come from a distant star,
1700
01:16:24,210 --> 01:16:26,748
they come from a different time.
1701
01:16:26,790 --> 01:16:29,088
Well, I'm open to all sorts of ideas
1702
01:16:29,130 --> 01:16:31,278
as long as they are testable.
1703
01:16:31,320 --> 01:16:36,320
- Our notion of time and
space is flawed seriously.
1704
01:16:36,900 --> 01:16:38,628
And you're entering issues
1705
01:16:38,670 --> 01:16:42,168
where there is no time
and there is no space.
1706
01:16:42,210 --> 01:16:44,598
- You've got manmade craft,
1707
01:16:44,639 --> 01:16:47,628
you've got possible extraterrestrial,
1708
01:16:47,670 --> 01:16:49,248
you've got interdimensional,
1709
01:16:49,290 --> 01:16:53,107
you've got a preexisting,
high-tech civilization
1710
01:16:53,148 --> 01:16:55,638
that could have been on this
planet for thousands of years.
1711
01:16:55,680 --> 01:16:57,228
And when you wrap this all together,
1712
01:16:57,270 --> 01:16:58,728
you can see how confusing it is,
1713
01:16:58,770 --> 01:17:00,663
because a lot of these things merge.
1714
01:17:00,705 --> 01:17:02,688
(tense music)
1715
01:17:02,730 --> 01:17:05,448
- [Narrator] Some of the
phenomena seem to point
1716
01:17:05,490 --> 01:17:09,348
to a direct interaction with consciousness.
1717
01:17:09,389 --> 01:17:13,458
- Consciousness is
interacting in all aspects of it.
1718
01:17:13,500 --> 01:17:18,198
And to take it a step
farther, going to Max Planck,
1719
01:17:18,240 --> 01:17:20,495
suggests that maybe the physical
1720
01:17:20,537 --> 01:17:23,823
evolved from consciousness
1721
01:17:23,865 --> 01:17:26,217
as opposed to the other way around.
1722
01:17:26,259 --> 01:17:28,759
(tense music)
1723
01:17:31,837 --> 01:17:33,438
(soft piano music)
1724
01:17:33,480 --> 01:17:36,018
- [Narrator] As part of
developing new understandings,
1725
01:17:36,059 --> 01:17:39,768
it's hard to ignore the so-called
"experiencer" phenomenon.
1726
01:17:39,809 --> 01:17:42,498
A significant percentage of the population
1727
01:17:42,540 --> 01:17:45,827
report having encounters
with non-human beings.
1728
01:17:45,870 --> 01:17:49,818
These encounters range
from enlightening to terrifying.
1729
01:17:49,860 --> 01:17:52,577
- Many, many, many people
1730
01:17:52,620 --> 01:17:55,338
have had some very strange experiences,
1731
01:17:55,380 --> 01:17:57,168
either seeing UFOs,
1732
01:17:57,210 --> 01:18:00,318
and not just at night
while they were dreaming.
1733
01:18:00,360 --> 01:18:02,775
These are not nightmares.
1734
01:18:02,817 --> 01:18:06,018
These are often described as more real
1735
01:18:06,059 --> 01:18:07,998
than everyday reality.
1736
01:18:08,040 --> 01:18:10,728
The people who describe
it, and the people are solid,
1737
01:18:10,770 --> 01:18:12,708
they come from all walks of life.
1738
01:18:12,750 --> 01:18:14,237
- [Narrator] Ralph Blumenthal wrote a book
1739
01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:17,088
about the late Harvard
psychologist John Mack
1740
01:18:17,130 --> 01:18:18,288
called "The Believer."
1741
01:18:18,330 --> 01:18:20,657
Mack was one of the
first members of academia
1742
01:18:20,700 --> 01:18:24,198
to acknowledge the validity of
the experiencer phenomenon.
1743
01:18:24,240 --> 01:18:26,538
- John Mack investigated these stories
1744
01:18:26,580 --> 01:18:28,938
of people who said that this
and this happened to them.
1745
01:18:28,980 --> 01:18:31,487
And at least Mack, as a psychiatrist,
1746
01:18:31,530 --> 01:18:35,284
was able to evaluate their stories,
1747
01:18:35,326 --> 01:18:38,628
couldn't prove that this
happened or didn't happen,
1748
01:18:38,670 --> 01:18:41,148
but at least could say that these people
1749
01:18:41,190 --> 01:18:44,189
were solid people and
were not mentally ill.
1750
01:18:44,231 --> 01:18:45,798
(tense music)
1751
01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:49,458
- We interface with whatever this is.
1752
01:18:49,500 --> 01:18:51,708
Contactees, abductees,
1753
01:18:51,750 --> 01:18:55,608
I think we can create some
of the phenomenon itself.
1754
01:18:55,650 --> 01:18:58,668
- So I do believe that
there are certain individuals
1755
01:18:58,710 --> 01:19:02,058
on this planet who are more in tune,
1756
01:19:02,100 --> 01:19:04,968
are more intuitive, are more in touch
1757
01:19:05,010 --> 01:19:08,538
with the unseen world than the seen world.
1758
01:19:08,580 --> 01:19:11,298
- Some of us are able to pierce the veil
1759
01:19:11,340 --> 01:19:14,669
and connect with
whatever's going on out there.
1760
01:19:14,710 --> 01:19:16,818
(soft music)
1761
01:19:16,860 --> 01:19:19,668
- [Narrator] Stunning new
research by Dr. Garry Nolan
1762
01:19:19,710 --> 01:19:21,862
has revealed a trait in the human brain
1763
01:19:21,904 --> 01:19:25,398
that may make some people
more prone to abilities,
1764
01:19:25,440 --> 01:19:28,848
such as heightened
intuition, psychic abilities,
1765
01:19:28,889 --> 01:19:31,487
and possibly an ability to communicate
1766
01:19:31,530 --> 01:19:35,178
in undeveloped manners such as telepathy.
1767
01:19:35,219 --> 01:19:39,378
- We have the MRIs of
claimed remote viewers,
1768
01:19:39,420 --> 01:19:42,228
high-end remote viewers,
1769
01:19:42,270 --> 01:19:46,848
and this area of their brain
lit up like a Christmas tree.
1770
01:19:46,889 --> 01:19:48,188
- [Narrator] The condition
has been observed
1771
01:19:48,230 --> 01:19:50,580
in so-called experiencers.
1772
01:19:50,621 --> 01:19:54,108
Nolan has detected increased
activity and development
1773
01:19:54,150 --> 01:19:57,108
in a region of the brain
called the basal ganglia.
1774
01:19:57,150 --> 01:19:58,740
- The thing that got me really intrigued
1775
01:19:58,782 --> 01:20:03,782
was that we did have
MRIs from experiencers,
1776
01:20:04,290 --> 01:20:06,288
but these were high-functioning individuals
1777
01:20:06,330 --> 01:20:08,237
that we happened to notice
1778
01:20:08,280 --> 01:20:13,278
that an area of their
brain had a density in it
1779
01:20:13,320 --> 01:20:14,718
that we first thought was damaged,
1780
01:20:14,760 --> 01:20:16,368
'cause we were studying
damage at the moment,
1781
01:20:16,410 --> 01:20:18,588
but then we realized,
oh, this is not damaged,
1782
01:20:18,630 --> 01:20:20,118
this is living tissue.
1783
01:20:20,160 --> 01:20:23,058
And that became sort of a side discovery.
1784
01:20:23,100 --> 01:20:25,188
You're left then with, frankly,
1785
01:20:25,230 --> 01:20:29,237
what was an even less
uniform group of individuals
1786
01:20:29,280 --> 01:20:33,048
with such varied interactions,
1787
01:20:33,090 --> 01:20:34,815
things that were talking to them,
1788
01:20:34,857 --> 01:20:37,098
things that they had gotten close to
1789
01:20:37,139 --> 01:20:38,838
and had been damaged and harmed.
1790
01:20:38,880 --> 01:20:41,598
There were a couple of people
in that group who were harmed,
1791
01:20:41,639 --> 01:20:43,865
but of the remaining individuals,
1792
01:20:43,907 --> 01:20:47,448
I would say that the majority
of them were not harmed.
1793
01:20:47,490 --> 01:20:49,305
This area of the brain
1794
01:20:49,347 --> 01:20:52,296
that we came to the conclusion at the time
1795
01:20:52,338 --> 01:20:54,378
was probably involved in intuition
1796
01:20:54,420 --> 01:20:56,778
when we actually looked into it
1797
01:20:56,820 --> 01:20:58,956
and then looked into the
literature, believe it or not,
1798
01:20:58,998 --> 01:21:00,618
people were finding that it had
1799
01:21:00,660 --> 01:21:02,928
something to do with intuition,
1800
01:21:02,969 --> 01:21:05,719
and that's the basal ganglia.
1801
01:21:05,761 --> 01:21:08,795
This area, the caudoputamen, which is,
1802
01:21:08,837 --> 01:21:10,998
by many neurophysiologists,
1803
01:21:11,040 --> 01:21:12,648
called the brain within the brain.
1804
01:21:12,690 --> 01:21:14,748
- [Narrator] What Dr. Nolan has discovered
1805
01:21:14,790 --> 01:21:17,838
may represent a leap in human evolution
1806
01:21:17,880 --> 01:21:21,318
or even a new variation of homosapien.
1807
01:21:21,360 --> 01:21:24,612
- You have to ask the question,
1808
01:21:24,655 --> 01:21:28,090
what kind of information is being perceived
1809
01:21:28,980 --> 01:21:32,641
and how is it being
translated into, let's say,
1810
01:21:32,683 --> 01:21:35,523
traditional neurophysiologic pathways?
1811
01:21:36,719 --> 01:21:39,978
We don't understand space-time
1812
01:21:40,020 --> 01:21:42,468
the way we'd like to pretend we do.
1813
01:21:42,510 --> 01:21:46,248
And so, who's to say that there is not
1814
01:21:46,290 --> 01:21:48,858
some kind of information transfer
1815
01:21:48,900 --> 01:21:51,737
that we just don't
necessarily yet appreciate
1816
01:21:51,780 --> 01:21:54,573
but evolution has found
a way to latch onto.
1817
01:22:01,559 --> 01:22:04,428
- [Narrator] The people
that we've met since 2017
1818
01:22:04,469 --> 01:22:06,228
seem to have some genuine interest
1819
01:22:06,270 --> 01:22:10,157
in helping to make humanity
more aware of these realities.
1820
01:22:10,200 --> 01:22:14,058
Chris Mellon continues to
work quietly behind the scenes
1821
01:22:14,100 --> 01:22:17,298
to bring about an effective
means of disclosure.
1822
01:22:17,340 --> 01:22:19,501
- Very much changing within the government,
1823
01:22:19,543 --> 01:22:23,237
on the Hill and the executive branch both.
1824
01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:25,758
As well, as you can see
with the media lately,
1825
01:22:25,800 --> 01:22:27,978
it's becoming respectable and legitimate,
1826
01:22:28,020 --> 01:22:31,237
and that's so crucial to engaging
more minds and more energy
1827
01:22:31,279 --> 01:22:33,528
and more resources to
getting to the bottom of this.
1828
01:22:33,570 --> 01:22:34,758
- [Narrator] Lue Elizondo seems
1829
01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:36,528
to have put everything on the line
1830
01:22:36,570 --> 01:22:37,848
since going public.
1831
01:22:37,889 --> 01:22:39,558
- So if there's an issue
where the government
1832
01:22:39,600 --> 01:22:41,148
is doing something we don't want to,
1833
01:22:41,190 --> 01:22:43,679
then it's up to us as a
people to change that.
1834
01:22:43,721 --> 01:22:46,758
But it doesn't have to be
an adversarial relationship.
1835
01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:48,048
I think where we go wrong
1836
01:22:48,090 --> 01:22:49,758
is that people oftentimes
look at the government,
1837
01:22:49,800 --> 01:22:52,218
they say, oh, the government's
bad, the government's bad.
1838
01:22:52,260 --> 01:22:54,198
- [Narrator] His role in
AATIP has been challenged
1839
01:22:54,240 --> 01:22:56,327
by the Defense Intelligence Agency.
1840
01:22:56,370 --> 01:22:59,028
Lue fought back by hiring
one of the most effective
1841
01:22:59,070 --> 01:23:00,827
and well-known civil rights attorneys
1842
01:23:00,870 --> 01:23:02,868
in the field, Danny Sheehan.
1843
01:23:02,910 --> 01:23:07,910
- I was contacted by Lue Elizondo
and asked to represent him
1844
01:23:08,430 --> 01:23:12,030
because he was upset about
the fact that the Pentagon,
1845
01:23:12,072 --> 01:23:15,108
even after the publication of this
1846
01:23:15,150 --> 01:23:18,558
on December 16th and 17th of 2017,
1847
01:23:18,600 --> 01:23:21,438
there were officials inside the Pentagon
1848
01:23:21,480 --> 01:23:24,288
issuing completely false statements still,
1849
01:23:24,330 --> 01:23:26,058
saying, yeah, there's no such thing
1850
01:23:26,100 --> 01:23:29,628
as the Advanced Aerospace
Threat Identification Program.
1851
01:23:29,670 --> 01:23:32,148
- [Narrator] Together, they
approached the Inspector General
1852
01:23:32,190 --> 01:23:34,098
of the Defense Intelligence Agency
1853
01:23:34,139 --> 01:23:35,958
to reverse the Pentagon's failure
1854
01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:38,568
to acknowledge Elizondo's position.
1855
01:23:38,610 --> 01:23:41,237
- When Elizondo started talking
1856
01:23:41,280 --> 01:23:43,458
about this phenomenon publicly,
1857
01:23:43,500 --> 01:23:44,628
you can see the Pentagon
1858
01:23:44,670 --> 01:23:47,808
had tremendous pushback against him.
1859
01:23:47,850 --> 01:23:49,008
They lied.
1860
01:23:49,050 --> 01:23:51,138
They said no, he didn't run such a program.
1861
01:23:51,180 --> 01:23:52,157
That was a lie.
1862
01:23:52,200 --> 01:23:55,668
They said AATIP had nothing
to do with UFOs. That was a lie.
1863
01:23:55,710 --> 01:23:57,284
- We're, at the same time,
1864
01:23:57,326 --> 01:23:59,868
trying to determine what Lue can say,
1865
01:23:59,910 --> 01:24:03,168
in light of his security
clearances, publicly.
1866
01:24:03,210 --> 01:24:07,788
- Not long ago, Elizondo
supposedly said to his attorney
1867
01:24:07,830 --> 01:24:09,978
that he had seen a
flying saucer in a hangar.
1868
01:24:10,020 --> 01:24:15,020
That gets out, and the stuff hits the fan.
1869
01:24:15,120 --> 01:24:17,928
And Lue had to walk that back too.
1870
01:24:17,969 --> 01:24:18,761
What did he do?
1871
01:24:18,803 --> 01:24:21,438
He said, "Well, I went to a hangar
1872
01:24:21,480 --> 01:24:24,618
that was designed to
accommodate exotic materials,
1873
01:24:24,660 --> 01:24:25,728
but I didn't see anything there.
1874
01:24:25,770 --> 01:24:27,702
I never saw any intact craft."
1875
01:24:27,744 --> 01:24:31,248
He was very lawyerly in
how he said what he did,
1876
01:24:31,290 --> 01:24:32,688
'cause he had to.
1877
01:24:32,730 --> 01:24:35,358
- I guess I'm just genetically predisposed
1878
01:24:35,400 --> 01:24:36,798
to not trusting government.
1879
01:24:36,840 --> 01:24:40,532
And seeing it now, too,
it's a joke, it really is.
1880
01:24:42,672 --> 01:24:45,827
- [Narrator] MUFON, the Mutual UFO Network,
1881
01:24:45,870 --> 01:24:49,848
is the largest and oldest
UFO organization in the world.
1882
01:24:49,889 --> 01:24:53,433
After over 50 years,
MUFON is stronger than ever.
1883
01:24:54,540 --> 01:24:57,258
- I'm Ron James. It's March 11th, 2022.
1884
01:24:57,300 --> 01:24:58,728
I'm here in front of the White House.
1885
01:24:58,770 --> 01:25:01,308
It's been a historic week
for the UFO community
1886
01:25:01,350 --> 01:25:03,476
and for MUFON the Mutual UFO Network.
1887
01:25:03,518 --> 01:25:06,378
We have actually been
taking meetings all week long
1888
01:25:06,420 --> 01:25:07,907
with key members and staff
1889
01:25:07,950 --> 01:25:09,915
of the House and Senate
Intelligence Committees
1890
01:25:09,957 --> 01:25:12,407
regarding the UAP phenomenon.
1891
01:25:12,450 --> 01:25:15,000
- We've been here for
three days now, four days,
1892
01:25:15,041 --> 01:25:18,397
and have met with about
10 different officials,
1893
01:25:18,439 --> 01:25:23,439
congressmen, representatives,
staff, and senators.
1894
01:25:24,420 --> 01:25:27,588
And we've really had a tremendous welcome.
1895
01:25:27,630 --> 01:25:30,737
- [Narrator] Thousands of
people over 100 years or more
1896
01:25:30,780 --> 01:25:34,577
have challenged the official
deception around the UFO topic.
1897
01:25:34,620 --> 01:25:37,248
They have been ridiculed and debunked.
1898
01:25:37,290 --> 01:25:39,827
Today, they are beginning to be vindicated
1899
01:25:39,870 --> 01:25:42,258
but still have not accomplished their goal,
1900
01:25:42,300 --> 01:25:45,407
a total end to the UFO coverup.
1901
01:25:45,450 --> 01:25:48,588
- There's no way to inform
the American people writ large,
1902
01:25:48,630 --> 01:25:52,008
all 500 million of us, and
ensure that information's
1903
01:25:52,050 --> 01:25:54,258
not gonna get into the
hands of a foreign adversary.
1904
01:25:54,300 --> 01:25:57,858
- Maybe it's that there are
some elements of the technology
1905
01:25:57,900 --> 01:26:00,138
that has to be kept under wraps
1906
01:26:00,180 --> 01:26:03,438
or kept to a limited number of people,
1907
01:26:03,480 --> 01:26:07,278
because if you cross the
wires, bad things happen.
1908
01:26:07,320 --> 01:26:10,878
- This is a version of disclosure,
1909
01:26:10,920 --> 01:26:12,708
but is it gonna be the real truth?
1910
01:26:12,750 --> 01:26:15,378
And I mean, I don't care about anything
1911
01:26:15,420 --> 01:26:16,758
except what the actual truth is.
1912
01:26:16,800 --> 01:26:18,498
So we'll see if they can get there.
1913
01:26:18,540 --> 01:26:21,648
- They could say, for
example, down the road,
1914
01:26:21,690 --> 01:26:22,487
well, actually, yeah,
1915
01:26:22,530 --> 01:26:26,778
we have had a few reports
down the road over the years,
1916
01:26:26,820 --> 01:26:28,848
but we kept it quiet, because honestly,
1917
01:26:28,889 --> 01:26:31,218
we needed to avoid public panic.
1918
01:26:31,260 --> 01:26:32,448
They'll say that.
1919
01:26:32,490 --> 01:26:34,128
- At a societal level,
1920
01:26:34,170 --> 01:26:36,701
I believe that we are completely ready
1921
01:26:36,743 --> 01:26:40,050
to incorporate this new reality.
1922
01:26:40,093 --> 01:26:45,093
And if the president were to
go on the evening news today
1923
01:26:46,350 --> 01:26:48,138
and say, "My fellow Americans,
1924
01:26:48,180 --> 01:26:49,848
people of the world, we're not alone,"
1925
01:26:49,889 --> 01:26:53,843
I think the reaction
would be sort of twofold.
1926
01:26:53,885 --> 01:26:56,898
Obviously there would
be huge interest in it,
1927
01:26:56,940 --> 01:27:00,138
but actually there wouldn't
be panic in the streets.
1928
01:27:00,180 --> 01:27:03,918
- So to be part of that journey
1929
01:27:03,960 --> 01:27:08,568
to uncover and to show links
to this advanced civilization,
1930
01:27:08,610 --> 01:27:12,498
that would be a great
honor, because as a scientist,
1931
01:27:12,540 --> 01:27:14,565
you go where the data takes you,
1932
01:27:14,607 --> 01:27:16,458
and sometimes the data takes you
1933
01:27:16,500 --> 01:27:18,225
to places that are uncomfortable,
1934
01:27:18,267 --> 01:27:21,258
but hey, that's the way
the cookie crumbles.
1935
01:27:21,300 --> 01:27:23,418
- Yeah, I just, I'm gonna get hit on it.
1936
01:27:23,460 --> 01:27:24,385
They've told me, they said,
1937
01:27:24,427 --> 01:27:26,448
"Man, Merchant, you
need to cool this stuff out,
1938
01:27:26,490 --> 01:27:28,878
'cause it's hurt gonna
hurt us at the polls."
1939
01:27:28,920 --> 01:27:32,386
But we'll see.
1940
01:27:32,428 --> 01:27:34,698
(tense music)
1941
01:27:34,740 --> 01:27:36,588
- [Narrator] We've shown that even today
1942
01:27:36,630 --> 01:27:37,878
there is a narrative at work
1943
01:27:37,920 --> 01:27:40,907
that has been created to
manipulate public perception
1944
01:27:40,950 --> 01:27:42,768
about the UFO topic.
1945
01:27:42,809 --> 01:27:45,468
We are not alone in the universe.
1946
01:27:45,510 --> 01:27:46,848
There are those who have struggled
1947
01:27:46,889 --> 01:27:49,068
to keep this truth a secret,
1948
01:27:49,110 --> 01:27:52,668
but the proof of the deception
serves its own purpose
1949
01:27:52,710 --> 01:27:55,368
and tells us much more than ever before.
1950
01:27:55,410 --> 01:27:58,157
- I have good news and I have bad news.
1951
01:27:58,200 --> 01:27:59,838
The good news is the government's
1952
01:27:59,880 --> 01:28:01,878
been telling you the truth.
1953
01:28:01,920 --> 01:28:05,538
The bad news is the government's
been telling you the truth.
1954
01:28:05,580 --> 01:28:06,588
- I mean, just look at Roswell.
1955
01:28:06,630 --> 01:28:08,538
There are no 509th Bomb Group members left.
1956
01:28:08,580 --> 01:28:09,648
They're all dead.
1957
01:28:09,690 --> 01:28:13,278
So according to the
government, it's coverup complete.
1958
01:28:13,320 --> 01:28:16,008
- All right, then what did I
see out there in that field?
1959
01:28:16,050 --> 01:28:16,893
- Oh, that.
1960
01:28:19,680 --> 01:28:21,725
Why, that was a weather balloon.
1961
01:28:21,767 --> 01:28:24,267
(tense music)
1962
01:28:25,200 --> 01:28:28,782
(curious electronic music)
1963
01:28:39,362 --> 01:28:43,779
(curious electronic music continues)
1964
01:28:53,184 --> 01:28:57,601
(curious electronic music continues)
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