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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:04,199 (ethereal electronic music) 2 00:00:04,241 --> 00:00:08,074 (intriguing electronic music) 3 00:00:13,836 --> 00:00:17,253 (eerie electronic music) 4 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:19,608 - [Ron] I'm sitting in these rooms alone 5 00:00:19,650 --> 00:00:22,218 with people who have run secret weapons programs, 6 00:00:22,260 --> 00:00:24,108 interrogated terrorists, 7 00:00:24,150 --> 00:00:27,048 protected closely guarded secrets as a profession, 8 00:00:27,090 --> 00:00:28,458 and all I can think about 9 00:00:28,500 --> 00:00:30,348 is getting them to tell me something 10 00:00:30,390 --> 00:00:31,893 they don't want me to know. 11 00:00:32,752 --> 00:00:37,002 (eerie electronic music continues) 12 00:00:41,314 --> 00:00:44,478 - It's gonna take somebody at the executive level to do it, 13 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:49,188 or there's gonna be an incredible leak somewhere 14 00:00:49,230 --> 00:00:51,168 that somebody's conscience, 15 00:00:51,210 --> 00:00:55,218 and they don't end up committing suicide 16 00:00:55,260 --> 00:00:58,503 by 12 bullet holes to the back of the head kinda thing. 17 00:00:59,428 --> 00:01:00,219 (camera shutter clicks) 18 00:01:00,261 --> 00:01:02,931 - [Narrator] The UFO reality can no longer be denied. 19 00:01:02,973 --> 00:01:03,764 (camera shutter clicking) 20 00:01:03,806 --> 00:01:05,298 The secret has been managed and guarded 21 00:01:05,340 --> 00:01:08,328 by a select few for over 75 years. 22 00:01:08,370 --> 00:01:11,088 Advanced technology, biological 23 00:01:11,130 --> 00:01:13,389 and physical materials have been recovered. 24 00:01:13,431 --> 00:01:14,222 (camera shutter clicking) 25 00:01:14,264 --> 00:01:16,848 They've been secretly studied by compartmentalized factions 26 00:01:16,890 --> 00:01:19,368 within both government and industry. 27 00:01:19,410 --> 00:01:21,438 These claims are not new, 28 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:24,318 but you are about to see undeniable evidence 29 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:26,371 and previously unpublished accounts 30 00:01:26,413 --> 00:01:30,777 that make this case stronger than ever before. 31 00:01:30,820 --> 00:01:31,924 (camera shutter clicks) 32 00:01:31,966 --> 00:01:33,738 Somewhere between fact and denial, 33 00:01:33,780 --> 00:01:37,985 you are about to discover an accidental truth. 34 00:01:38,027 --> 00:01:40,261 (explosion blasts) 35 00:01:40,303 --> 00:01:43,803 (people chatter on radio) 36 00:01:45,761 --> 00:01:48,928 (helicopter whirring) 37 00:01:51,456 --> 00:01:55,301 (people chatter on radio) 38 00:01:55,343 --> 00:01:56,676 (helicopter whirring) 39 00:01:56,719 --> 00:01:59,388 (machine beeping) 40 00:01:59,430 --> 00:02:03,818 In 2017, the UFO subject exploded into the mainstream. 41 00:02:03,860 --> 00:02:05,618 - [Pilot] There's a whole fleet of 'em. 42 00:02:05,660 --> 00:02:06,451 (indistinct) 43 00:02:06,493 --> 00:02:09,507 Whoa! Got 'em! (laughing) 44 00:02:09,549 --> 00:02:10,836 Woo hoo! - Roger. 45 00:02:10,878 --> 00:02:13,128 - [Narrator] The New York Times broke a front-page story 46 00:02:13,170 --> 00:02:16,728 about a shadowy government program studying UFOs. 47 00:02:16,770 --> 00:02:21,770 - October 2017, Leslie Kean, who's a notable expert on UFOs, 48 00:02:22,530 --> 00:02:26,388 who was invited to a very private conference in Washington 49 00:02:26,430 --> 00:02:29,418 with Lue Elizondo and some other people, 50 00:02:29,460 --> 00:02:33,618 Chris Mellon, to discuss UFOs. 51 00:02:33,660 --> 00:02:36,618 Lue Elizondo had just submitted his resignation 52 00:02:36,660 --> 00:02:38,928 in October 2017 53 00:02:38,970 --> 00:02:43,668 as the head of this very secretive Pentagon UFO office. 54 00:02:43,710 --> 00:02:44,958 - Program was established. 55 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,028 It was initially called AAWSAP, 56 00:02:47,070 --> 00:02:51,087 Advanced Aerospace Weapons Sensor Application Program, 57 00:02:51,129 --> 00:02:54,018 and very quickly evolved, 58 00:02:54,060 --> 00:02:57,858 morphed into the more common vernacular AATIP, 59 00:02:57,900 --> 00:03:00,528 Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program. 60 00:03:00,570 --> 00:03:02,898 I was brought in initially to come in 61 00:03:02,940 --> 00:03:04,908 to run the counterintelligence and security piece 62 00:03:04,950 --> 00:03:07,638 for this effort in 2008. 63 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:10,668 In 2010, I was asked by the former director 64 00:03:10,710 --> 00:03:12,918 to run this program. 65 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:14,898 The program was then taken out of DIA 66 00:03:14,940 --> 00:03:18,108 and up to the OSD level, of the Secretary of Defense. 67 00:03:18,150 --> 00:03:21,888 - The Pentagon had this secret UFO monitoring agency 68 00:03:21,930 --> 00:03:23,118 which nobody knew about. 69 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:26,958 - New York Times, Politico and, followed by them, 70 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:28,998 everyone else covering the UFO subject 71 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:32,148 suddenly with seriousness, 72 00:03:32,190 --> 00:03:35,418 suddenly talking about encounters by the U.S. Navy 73 00:03:35,460 --> 00:03:38,208 with objects that are supposed to be impossible. 74 00:03:38,250 --> 00:03:40,968 - The government is investigating UFOs. 75 00:03:41,010 --> 00:03:43,578 Well, I almost crashed my car. 76 00:03:43,620 --> 00:03:45,618 - [Narrator] Three cryptic videos were released 77 00:03:45,660 --> 00:03:47,778 that claim to show unknown objects 78 00:03:47,820 --> 00:03:50,028 operating in military airspace 79 00:03:50,070 --> 00:03:53,988 while defying known capabilities of flight and physics. 80 00:03:54,030 --> 00:03:56,988 - There are more of them that have not been released. 81 00:03:57,030 --> 00:03:58,938 These were only snippets, by the way, 82 00:03:58,980 --> 00:04:03,108 and we knew that, but we were happy to get them, 83 00:04:03,150 --> 00:04:05,658 and they caused quite a stir. 84 00:04:05,700 --> 00:04:08,058 - [Narrator] Lue Elizondo made the media rounds 85 00:04:08,100 --> 00:04:09,888 with shocking statements. 86 00:04:09,930 --> 00:04:11,868 - My personal belief is that 87 00:04:11,910 --> 00:04:16,697 there is very compelling evidence that we may not be alone. 88 00:04:16,740 --> 00:04:20,298 - Our cosmic neighborhood may be a hell of a lot bigger, 89 00:04:20,339 --> 00:04:24,183 and oh, by the way, we might, might have neighbors. 90 00:04:26,250 --> 00:04:27,500 That's a profound moment. 91 00:04:28,470 --> 00:04:30,558 - [Narrator] At the 2018 symposium 92 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:33,828 of the Mutual UFO Network, behind closed doors, 93 00:04:33,870 --> 00:04:37,248 he went beyond his public statements to drop a bombshell. 94 00:04:37,290 --> 00:04:39,588 - Sometimes people may have associated you 95 00:04:39,630 --> 00:04:42,468 as being fringe or being out there, 96 00:04:42,510 --> 00:04:46,332 and all along you were right. 97 00:04:46,375 --> 00:04:48,648 (tense music) 98 00:04:48,690 --> 00:04:50,898 - [Narrator] One of the pilots who engaged the craft, 99 00:04:50,940 --> 00:04:54,138 Commander David Fravor, chimed in with bold statements 100 00:04:54,180 --> 00:04:58,368 inferring other worldly origins of the mysterious phenomena. 101 00:04:58,409 --> 00:05:01,728 - I believe, as do the other folks that were on the flight 102 00:05:01,770 --> 00:05:02,658 when we visually saw it, 103 00:05:02,700 --> 00:05:04,728 that it was something not from this world. 104 00:05:04,770 --> 00:05:06,318 - You are talking to a pilot 105 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:10,038 who is looking at you with complete bewilderment 106 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:13,128 as to looking to you for answers. 107 00:05:13,170 --> 00:05:16,788 They're asking you, "Sir, what was this?" 108 00:05:16,830 --> 00:05:19,098 - Congress is now looking at the possibility 109 00:05:19,140 --> 00:05:20,714 of national security 110 00:05:20,756 --> 00:05:25,578 that the military is now owning up to hours of videotapes 111 00:05:25,620 --> 00:05:27,588 taken by Navy pilots. 112 00:05:27,630 --> 00:05:31,457 There's been a sea change. Things are changing. 113 00:05:31,500 --> 00:05:33,004 People are more open to the idea that, 114 00:05:33,046 --> 00:05:36,697 yeah, maybe we're not alone in the universe. 115 00:05:36,739 --> 00:05:39,288 (tense music) 116 00:05:39,330 --> 00:05:41,207 - [Narrator] We were given an updated phrase 117 00:05:41,250 --> 00:05:42,918 to describe it all: 118 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:45,948 Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon. 119 00:05:45,990 --> 00:05:48,078 - They're calling them UAP sometimes, 120 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:50,508 sometimes UFOs, sometimes UAP. 121 00:05:50,550 --> 00:05:53,148 It's a kind of a rebranding to a a certain extent 122 00:05:53,190 --> 00:05:56,957 and a redefinition of what the phenomenon is. 123 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:58,728 - [Narrator] A new group called To the Stars 124 00:05:58,770 --> 00:06:01,672 Academy of Arts and Sciences was introduced. 125 00:06:01,714 --> 00:06:02,505 (exciting music) 126 00:06:02,547 --> 00:06:05,178 - We are To the Stars Academy of Arts and Science, 127 00:06:05,220 --> 00:06:07,008 a public benefit corporation. 128 00:06:07,050 --> 00:06:08,208 - [Narrator] The group was co-founded 129 00:06:08,250 --> 00:06:09,978 by rockstar Tom DeLonge. 130 00:06:10,020 --> 00:06:11,868 - I was working my way through NASA, 131 00:06:11,910 --> 00:06:15,949 the Department of Defense, and various other agencies. 132 00:06:15,991 --> 00:06:17,957 - [Narrator] Its members spoke out, 133 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:19,968 hinting of unprecedented openness 134 00:06:20,010 --> 00:06:21,978 and straight answers about the topic. 135 00:06:22,020 --> 00:06:24,018 But who are these people really? 136 00:06:24,060 --> 00:06:28,038 Dr. Hal Puthoff, former CIA Operations Officer, 137 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:31,068 Jim Semivan, a 50-year veteran of NASA, 138 00:06:31,110 --> 00:06:34,188 the CIA, and the National Security Agency. 139 00:06:34,230 --> 00:06:36,228 Steve Justice, former director 140 00:06:36,270 --> 00:06:38,358 of Lockheed Martin Skunk Works, 141 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:39,498 Christopher Mellon, 142 00:06:39,540 --> 00:06:42,678 former Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence. 143 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:43,848 Lue Elizondo, 144 00:06:43,890 --> 00:06:47,058 fresh from a controversial Pentagon resignation. 145 00:06:47,100 --> 00:06:48,888 Was anybody going to share anything 146 00:06:48,930 --> 00:06:50,748 that brought us concrete answers? 147 00:06:50,790 --> 00:06:53,328 - It was the first time I really digested 148 00:06:53,370 --> 00:06:56,238 the enormity of the national security implications 149 00:06:56,280 --> 00:06:57,915 of the UFO subject. 150 00:06:57,957 --> 00:07:00,888 - The CIA and all these people 151 00:07:00,930 --> 00:07:01,968 associated with the Skunk Works 152 00:07:02,010 --> 00:07:03,318 and the other intelligence agencies, 153 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:05,928 you're not the right people to come out with this, 154 00:07:05,970 --> 00:07:07,685 you're really not, because you're the ones 155 00:07:07,727 --> 00:07:10,098 that have been lying to us for 70 years. 156 00:07:10,140 --> 00:07:15,140 - We haven't trusted these individual agencies ever. 157 00:07:15,628 --> 00:07:20,328 In fact, they've always teased our community. 158 00:07:20,370 --> 00:07:23,088 - We are dealing with insiders. 159 00:07:23,130 --> 00:07:27,224 We are dealing with people who have been in government, 160 00:07:27,266 --> 00:07:29,838 the military, the intelligence community, 161 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:32,658 have access to classified information. 162 00:07:32,700 --> 00:07:36,738 But those people, all of them, will have to be very careful. 163 00:07:36,780 --> 00:07:38,628 - For us to just go ahead and spew out 164 00:07:38,670 --> 00:07:41,982 to satisfy the idle curiosity of a few, that's not our job. 165 00:07:42,024 --> 00:07:44,351 Our job is to protect this nation from enemies, 166 00:07:44,393 --> 00:07:45,970 foreign and domestic. 167 00:07:46,012 --> 00:07:48,858 - For what it's worth, I see it that they were trying 168 00:07:48,900 --> 00:07:52,098 to make progress on this within government, 169 00:07:52,140 --> 00:07:54,198 they took it as far as they could, 170 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:55,848 and then they realized that, really, 171 00:07:55,890 --> 00:07:58,968 the only way to move it further forward 172 00:07:59,010 --> 00:08:01,968 was to leave government and do it outside of that. 173 00:08:02,010 --> 00:08:04,968 (tense music) 174 00:08:05,010 --> 00:08:06,108 - [Narrator] Some believe that this 175 00:08:06,150 --> 00:08:07,788 new rollout of information 176 00:08:07,830 --> 00:08:09,948 was a cleverly crafted set of events 177 00:08:09,990 --> 00:08:13,848 being orchestrated by hidden hands, an evasive faction, 178 00:08:13,890 --> 00:08:16,398 who has controlled this information for years. 179 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:18,288 - I'm not a believer in the conspiracy theory 180 00:08:18,330 --> 00:08:20,207 that this is some plot to leak it 181 00:08:20,250 --> 00:08:22,868 to the New York Times and all that. 182 00:08:22,910 --> 00:08:26,988 Too many elements came together completely serendipitously, 183 00:08:27,030 --> 00:08:32,030 and looking back, you can try to make a case 184 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:36,558 that this was all orchestrated and not at all true. 185 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:39,198 - I think that this was definitely something 186 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:43,847 that was organized, thought out long term. 187 00:08:43,890 --> 00:08:46,008 Again, I think they know 188 00:08:46,050 --> 00:08:48,445 and they're trying to get ahead of something. 189 00:08:48,487 --> 00:08:51,078 I use the analogy of a snowball at the top of a hill, 190 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:52,463 and it starts out really small, 191 00:08:52,505 --> 00:08:54,798 and as it rolls down, it's gonna get bigger and bigger, 192 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:56,688 and I think they're trying to get ahead of that. 193 00:08:56,730 --> 00:08:58,728 - You can't talk about this subject 194 00:08:58,770 --> 00:09:01,968 with the government background without being the bad guy. 195 00:09:02,010 --> 00:09:04,248 In some people's minds eye, 196 00:09:04,290 --> 00:09:06,348 it just comes with the territory. 197 00:09:06,390 --> 00:09:08,388 - I refuse to discuss anything classified 198 00:09:08,430 --> 00:09:11,080 I took an oath which is, by the way, a lifelong oath. 199 00:09:12,450 --> 00:09:14,208 As I've told people before, don't ask me, 200 00:09:14,250 --> 00:09:15,198 'cause I'm not gonna tell you. 201 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:16,428 - Lue is in a tough spot, 202 00:09:16,470 --> 00:09:18,500 because he knows a lot of things that... 203 00:09:20,430 --> 00:09:22,488 He came out of the intelligence community. 204 00:09:22,530 --> 00:09:24,768 He probably still, undoubtedly, 205 00:09:24,810 --> 00:09:28,170 still has connections to the intelligence community, 206 00:09:28,212 --> 00:09:33,198 so he can't say everything he knows or has been privy to. 207 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:38,240 - These people promoting this agenda of UFO openness, 208 00:09:39,030 --> 00:09:41,208 not disclosure, but openness, 209 00:09:41,250 --> 00:09:43,856 they have enemies within that establishment. 210 00:09:43,898 --> 00:09:46,488 So we're not talking about a unified message. 211 00:09:46,530 --> 00:09:48,033 - It's very uncomfortable, 212 00:09:48,900 --> 00:09:50,568 especially if you've lived a life 213 00:09:50,610 --> 00:09:53,658 where anonymity has been your friend. 214 00:09:53,700 --> 00:09:58,488 - We have every right to know the truth, 215 00:09:58,530 --> 00:10:02,931 and it's not okay that they're holding that back. 216 00:10:02,973 --> 00:10:06,427 - It is not a fun place to be. 217 00:10:06,469 --> 00:10:08,478 In fact, if I had any opportunity 218 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:11,073 for anybody else to stand up and take my place, 219 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:13,694 I would do it. 220 00:10:13,736 --> 00:10:16,248 - There are a lot of people that want this information out, 221 00:10:16,290 --> 00:10:17,081 and there are a lot of people 222 00:10:17,123 --> 00:10:18,888 that don't want this information out. 223 00:10:18,930 --> 00:10:20,478 The level of pushback 224 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:23,928 that Harry Reid shared with me on camera 225 00:10:23,970 --> 00:10:27,438 when he tried to launch this investigatory arm 226 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:30,528 into creating AATIP, he said he got so much pushback 227 00:10:30,570 --> 00:10:32,028 from the intelligence agencies, 228 00:10:32,070 --> 00:10:34,038 that they tried to destroy people. 229 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:36,915 They really did not want this to happen. 230 00:10:36,958 --> 00:10:39,648 (tense music) 231 00:10:39,690 --> 00:10:41,568 - [Narrator] After the initial media flurry, 232 00:10:41,610 --> 00:10:43,218 the Pentagon promised a report 233 00:10:43,260 --> 00:10:45,978 that might shed some light on the subject. 234 00:10:46,020 --> 00:10:49,698 - Do you expect to see real answers in this report? 235 00:10:49,740 --> 00:10:50,913 What do you think? 236 00:10:52,227 --> 00:10:54,258 - Look, honestly, I don't think so, Jake. 237 00:10:54,300 --> 00:10:56,268 - [Narrator] The public only received a few pages 238 00:10:56,310 --> 00:10:58,368 of inconclusive information. 239 00:10:58,410 --> 00:11:01,008 A more elaborate report was delivered to Congress 240 00:11:01,050 --> 00:11:02,508 behind closed doors. 241 00:11:02,550 --> 00:11:04,788 Freedom of Information Act requests, 242 00:11:04,830 --> 00:11:07,368 known as FOIA requests, were submitted. 243 00:11:07,410 --> 00:11:10,308 The responses received were heavily redacted. 244 00:11:10,350 --> 00:11:12,708 - Three years later, three and a half years later, 245 00:11:12,750 --> 00:11:15,798 no new evidence has come out. 246 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:19,728 We've got no new videos. Nothing like that happened. 247 00:11:19,770 --> 00:11:21,258 - [Narrator] Congressman Tim Burchett 248 00:11:21,300 --> 00:11:24,858 has become an outspoken crusader against the secrecy. 249 00:11:24,900 --> 00:11:26,808 - The American public deserves to know. 250 00:11:26,850 --> 00:11:28,818 We need transparency. 251 00:11:28,860 --> 00:11:30,648 That's why nobody trusts government. 252 00:11:30,690 --> 00:11:35,148 Nobody trusts either party when it comes down to it. 253 00:11:35,190 --> 00:11:36,708 - [Narrator] Instead of new answers, 254 00:11:36,750 --> 00:11:39,108 we've been given a whitewashing of the past 255 00:11:39,150 --> 00:11:41,988 and further reinforcement of a new narrative 256 00:11:42,030 --> 00:11:43,659 created to fit the day. 257 00:11:43,701 --> 00:11:46,201 (tense music) 258 00:11:49,380 --> 00:11:52,158 The new narrative states that the UAPs 259 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:54,888 are not ours or any foreign government's; 260 00:11:54,930 --> 00:11:58,068 they display characteristics that defy explanation. 261 00:11:58,110 --> 00:12:00,558 We are committed to determining their nature 262 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:02,718 and assessing any potential threat. 263 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:05,628 There was no official government study of the topic 264 00:12:05,670 --> 00:12:08,808 after Project Blue Book ended in 1969, 265 00:12:08,850 --> 00:12:12,468 until the AAWSAP program started in 2004. 266 00:12:12,510 --> 00:12:15,123 - By extracting a lot of the history out, 267 00:12:15,971 --> 00:12:17,958 they're able to make it seem like, 268 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:19,893 wow, this is a real mystery here. 269 00:12:20,790 --> 00:12:22,008 I don't agree with that. 270 00:12:22,050 --> 00:12:23,508 - I think their new narrative, 271 00:12:23,550 --> 00:12:27,468 I think they have this fear that it's a threat 272 00:12:27,510 --> 00:12:31,398 and the word "threat" kind of bothers me a little bit, 273 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:35,808 but I understand that, in order to get government attention, 274 00:12:35,850 --> 00:12:38,298 they need to call it perhaps a threat. 275 00:12:38,340 --> 00:12:41,148 - So we have an ongoing situation here. 276 00:12:41,190 --> 00:12:44,208 This is a defense issue, it's an air safety issue, 277 00:12:44,250 --> 00:12:46,668 it's a national security issue. 278 00:12:46,710 --> 00:12:47,868 - It's a valid issue. 279 00:12:47,910 --> 00:12:50,628 There's something flying around in our airspace, 280 00:12:50,670 --> 00:12:51,948 and we don't know what it is 281 00:12:51,990 --> 00:12:53,928 or we're not telling what it is. 282 00:12:53,970 --> 00:12:58,608 - 18 months ago, if you had asked anyone in government 283 00:12:58,650 --> 00:13:00,228 the official line on UFOs, 284 00:13:00,270 --> 00:13:03,258 you would've received a standard response, 285 00:13:03,300 --> 00:13:04,747 rather like this: 286 00:13:04,789 --> 00:13:08,928 "There is no current interest or involvement in this subject 287 00:13:08,970 --> 00:13:12,258 since the termination of Blue Book in 1969. 288 00:13:12,300 --> 00:13:16,038 Nobody in government is researching or investigating this." 289 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:18,798 - The department writ large is really not interested 290 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:20,636 in UFOs whatsoever. 291 00:13:20,678 --> 00:13:22,968 (tense music) 292 00:13:23,010 --> 00:13:25,608 - [Narrator] This story leaves a gap of over 35 years 293 00:13:25,650 --> 00:13:28,278 that the government was supposedly not engaged 294 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:30,198 in the study of the phenomenon. 295 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:33,378 The media was quick to participate in the news story. 296 00:13:33,420 --> 00:13:35,058 Were they complicit in delivering 297 00:13:35,100 --> 00:13:37,038 this new version of the facts? 298 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:42,080 - There is a risk of believing the official narrative 299 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:45,228 too quickly and just reporting it. 300 00:13:45,270 --> 00:13:49,098 - There's many steps to go, and it's gonna take a while, 301 00:13:49,140 --> 00:13:51,798 and they still have a totally compliant media 302 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:53,208 for the most part. 303 00:13:53,250 --> 00:13:56,508 - I can tell you from my knowledge of the New York Times 304 00:13:56,550 --> 00:13:58,038 that New York Times is not afraid 305 00:13:58,080 --> 00:13:59,118 to confront the government. 306 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:01,518 - Having been legal counsel for the New York Times 307 00:14:01,560 --> 00:14:04,935 and for NBC News, the people 308 00:14:04,977 --> 00:14:07,458 and the boards of editors of those things 309 00:14:07,500 --> 00:14:10,518 feel themselves to have a certain patriotic duty 310 00:14:10,560 --> 00:14:12,187 as they perceive it 311 00:14:12,229 --> 00:14:16,398 to not reveal anything to the American public 312 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:19,998 that the national security state people don't want revealed. 313 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:21,108 - I don't want to be bound 314 00:14:21,150 --> 00:14:24,809 by what Danny Sheen said about his concepts 315 00:14:24,851 --> 00:14:27,228 of what the Times prints and doesn't. 316 00:14:27,270 --> 00:14:29,478 (tense music) 317 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:30,768 - [Narrator] This new narrative 318 00:14:30,810 --> 00:14:32,718 has become the official story. 319 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:35,838 It was even stated as fact by Andre Carson 320 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:38,761 at the beginning of the first Congressional UFO hearings 321 00:14:38,803 --> 00:14:41,358 in over 40 years. 322 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:43,458 - More than 50 years ago, 323 00:14:43,500 --> 00:14:47,178 the U.S. government ended Project Blue Book, 324 00:14:47,220 --> 00:14:49,161 an effort to catalog and understand 325 00:14:49,203 --> 00:14:52,188 sightings of objects in the air 326 00:14:52,230 --> 00:14:54,918 that could not otherwise be explained. 327 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:55,908 For more than 20 years, 328 00:14:55,950 --> 00:14:59,028 that project had treated unidentified anomalies 329 00:14:59,070 --> 00:15:01,757 in our airspace as a national security threat 330 00:15:01,799 --> 00:15:04,353 to be monitored and investigated. 331 00:15:05,340 --> 00:15:07,398 In 2017 we learned for the first time 332 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:08,358 that the Department of Defense 333 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:11,358 had quietly restarted a similar organization 334 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:15,459 tracking what we now call unidentified aerial phenomena. 335 00:15:15,501 --> 00:15:17,718 (tense music) 336 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:19,398 - [Narrator] We've heard all of this before. 337 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:22,158 The new narrative is really an eerie echo 338 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:24,078 of 70-year-old events. 339 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:26,688 - We can say that the recent sightings 340 00:15:26,730 --> 00:15:31,128 are in no way connected with any secret development 341 00:15:31,170 --> 00:15:33,588 by any agency of the United States. 342 00:15:33,630 --> 00:15:35,058 - Aircraft, we'll call 'em aircraft, 343 00:15:35,100 --> 00:15:36,653 are displaying characteristics 344 00:15:36,695 --> 00:15:39,948 that are not currently within the U.S. inventory, 345 00:15:39,990 --> 00:15:43,608 nor in any foreign inventory that we are aware of. 346 00:15:43,650 --> 00:15:46,044 - Air Force interest in this problem 347 00:15:46,086 --> 00:15:49,158 has been due to our feeling of an obligation 348 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:54,108 to identify and analyze to the best of our ability 349 00:15:54,150 --> 00:15:58,561 anything in the air that may have the possibility of threat 350 00:15:58,603 --> 00:16:01,458 or menace to the United States. 351 00:16:01,500 --> 00:16:03,438 - We know that our service members 352 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:07,488 have encountered unidentified aerial phenomenon, 353 00:16:07,530 --> 00:16:10,398 and because UAPs pose potential flight safety 354 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:12,108 and general security risk, 355 00:16:12,150 --> 00:16:14,178 we are committed to a focused effort 356 00:16:14,220 --> 00:16:15,468 to determine their origins. 357 00:16:15,510 --> 00:16:17,988 - However, there have been a certain percentage 358 00:16:18,030 --> 00:16:19,873 of this volume of reports 359 00:16:19,915 --> 00:16:23,735 that have been made by credible observers 360 00:16:23,777 --> 00:16:26,523 of relatively incredible things. 361 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:30,258 It is this group of observations 362 00:16:30,300 --> 00:16:33,498 that we now are attempting to resolve. 363 00:16:33,540 --> 00:16:37,698 - There will be a recognized, concerted effort 364 00:16:37,740 --> 00:16:39,828 to figure this out. 365 00:16:39,870 --> 00:16:42,378 - [Narrator] The old story was repeated almost verbatim 366 00:16:42,420 --> 00:16:43,818 by the current players. 367 00:16:43,860 --> 00:16:46,548 - We're still far from the goal line, 368 00:16:46,590 --> 00:16:48,851 and there is a lot of positions 369 00:16:48,893 --> 00:16:51,168 that they could take along the way 370 00:16:51,210 --> 00:16:53,710 that still will allow them to maintain credibility 371 00:16:54,608 --> 00:16:57,468 and avoid culpability. 372 00:16:57,510 --> 00:16:59,328 - The media and the public want more. 373 00:16:59,370 --> 00:17:00,161 They want answers. 374 00:17:00,203 --> 00:17:01,278 I'm not sure that there are going 375 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:02,808 to be easy answers to this. 376 00:17:02,850 --> 00:17:06,887 - They're trying to sweep anything prior to 2004 377 00:17:06,930 --> 00:17:09,078 under the carpet, but we won't let 'em, 378 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:10,667 because we've got all the historical cases, 379 00:17:10,710 --> 00:17:12,407 and those can't go away. 380 00:17:12,450 --> 00:17:16,248 - They're not only whitewashing history; they're denying it. 381 00:17:16,290 --> 00:17:19,637 They're only acknowledging the phenomenon back to 2004. 382 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:21,617 - The government has a lot to answer for. 383 00:17:21,660 --> 00:17:23,200 You're absolutely right. 384 00:17:23,242 --> 00:17:26,028 The history of the subject has been replete 385 00:17:26,069 --> 00:17:28,668 with misinformation and disinformation. 386 00:17:28,710 --> 00:17:30,475 - It's just a complete coverup. 387 00:17:30,517 --> 00:17:33,017 (tense music) 388 00:17:36,270 --> 00:17:37,758 - [Narrator] What was going on in the time 389 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:40,128 between the closing of Project Blue Book 390 00:17:40,170 --> 00:17:43,638 and the beginning of the officially announced UFO programs 391 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:45,528 that we know about today? 392 00:17:45,570 --> 00:17:47,148 Why is it important? 393 00:17:47,190 --> 00:17:50,358 Because in those years is where the truth lies, 394 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:52,518 a truth that many have gone to great lengths 395 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:55,578 to conceal, deny, and debunk. 396 00:17:55,620 --> 00:17:57,378 We start by taking a closer look 397 00:17:57,420 --> 00:18:01,368 at the period between 1947 and 2005. 398 00:18:01,410 --> 00:18:04,698 The existence of official UFO research and programs 399 00:18:04,740 --> 00:18:07,488 by the US government in this timeframe 400 00:18:07,530 --> 00:18:09,618 has been staunchly denied. 401 00:18:09,660 --> 00:18:12,318 The facts challenge that position. 402 00:18:12,360 --> 00:18:13,908 In the late 1940s, 403 00:18:13,950 --> 00:18:16,518 the world was recovering from World War II. 404 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:18,296 The military was reorganizing. 405 00:18:18,338 --> 00:18:22,128 In 1947, the Air Force was being created 406 00:18:22,170 --> 00:18:24,588 as a standalone branch of service. 407 00:18:24,630 --> 00:18:27,888 The Cold War and its strategic questions were looming. 408 00:18:27,930 --> 00:18:29,808 But in the midst of all of this, 409 00:18:29,850 --> 00:18:32,208 the United States Army created what they called 410 00:18:32,250 --> 00:18:34,668 the Interplanetary Phenomenon Unit 411 00:18:34,710 --> 00:18:37,458 of the Scientific and Technical branch. 412 00:18:37,500 --> 00:18:39,644 Why did they need that? 413 00:18:39,686 --> 00:18:41,718 (tense music) 414 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:44,688 Numerous FOIA requests verified the existence 415 00:18:44,730 --> 00:18:46,008 of this Army program. 416 00:18:46,050 --> 00:18:48,198 They state that the unit disbanded 417 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:51,078 and was folded into Project Blue Book in the '50s. 418 00:18:51,120 --> 00:18:53,508 But the files of this group are not part 419 00:18:53,550 --> 00:18:56,058 of the official Project Blue Book collection, 420 00:18:56,100 --> 00:18:58,098 so where did they go? 421 00:18:58,140 --> 00:19:00,468 During that time there was advanced technology 422 00:19:00,510 --> 00:19:02,028 in the possession of Germany. 423 00:19:02,070 --> 00:19:04,218 Scientists were brought over after the war 424 00:19:04,260 --> 00:19:05,568 to continue the work. 425 00:19:05,610 --> 00:19:09,078 Stories of UFOs and UFO crashes were abundant, 426 00:19:09,120 --> 00:19:13,158 including the famous Roswell incident of 1947. 427 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,498 The late astronaut Dr. Edgar Mitchell 428 00:19:15,540 --> 00:19:17,118 was given secret information 429 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:18,648 about events of the time 430 00:19:18,690 --> 00:19:22,878 In this never before seen video, he shares what he was told. 431 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:24,948 - Individuals at the Pentagon 432 00:19:24,990 --> 00:19:28,308 had been attempting to get into the system 433 00:19:28,350 --> 00:19:30,618 and found out about it, 434 00:19:30,660 --> 00:19:33,368 thus confirming, and had confirmed, 435 00:19:33,410 --> 00:19:35,748 that the Roswell incident was real. 436 00:19:35,790 --> 00:19:40,113 They saw some of the material from a crashed spacecraft. 437 00:19:41,010 --> 00:19:43,249 Some saw bodies from the beings 438 00:19:43,291 --> 00:19:45,663 that were killed in that crash. 439 00:19:47,070 --> 00:19:49,488 There were some that saw a live being. 440 00:19:49,530 --> 00:19:52,278 A live being had been taken away 441 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:54,708 and was in the system somewhere. 442 00:19:54,750 --> 00:19:59,189 Those were real life incidents that were reported to me. 443 00:19:59,231 --> 00:20:01,758 (tense music) 444 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:03,378 - [Narrator] Many believe in the formation 445 00:20:03,420 --> 00:20:07,638 of a group called Majestic 12, assembled by President Truman 446 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:09,768 to strategize about how to handle 447 00:20:09,810 --> 00:20:12,768 the information about these encounters and more. 448 00:20:12,810 --> 00:20:15,108 Documents purport to detail the creation 449 00:20:15,150 --> 00:20:16,698 and deployment of this group, 450 00:20:16,740 --> 00:20:20,508 but their authenticity is still a hotly debated topic. 451 00:20:20,550 --> 00:20:23,988 It makes sense, however, that under such circumstances, 452 00:20:24,030 --> 00:20:26,448 just such a group would've been formed. 453 00:20:26,490 --> 00:20:28,518 They would've had control of the subject 454 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:30,738 and accountability to a select few. 455 00:20:30,780 --> 00:20:33,408 If a decision was made to enact secrecy, 456 00:20:33,450 --> 00:20:35,514 this group would've made it happen. 457 00:20:35,556 --> 00:20:37,938 (tense music) 458 00:20:37,980 --> 00:20:41,238 After years of UFO hysteria and speculation 459 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:44,328 between 1947 and 1952, 460 00:20:44,370 --> 00:20:45,888 the government finally said 461 00:20:45,930 --> 00:20:48,228 that they were taking the subject seriously. 462 00:20:48,270 --> 00:20:49,758 Enter Project Blue Book, 463 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:52,308 a public program that was supposed to shed light 464 00:20:52,350 --> 00:20:53,898 on the UFO subject. 465 00:20:53,940 --> 00:20:58,578 Paul Hynek, son of the late J. Allen Hynek, shared this. 466 00:20:58,620 --> 00:21:01,248 - My father was the Chief scientific consultant 467 00:21:01,290 --> 00:21:05,028 working alongside Air Force counterparts, 468 00:21:05,070 --> 00:21:08,988 and it became clear that the role of Project Blue Book 469 00:21:09,030 --> 00:21:11,358 wasn't to look for the truth, 470 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:16,400 but was to manufacture answers and to tamp down hysteria. 471 00:21:16,710 --> 00:21:18,611 Somebody called it the Society 472 00:21:18,653 --> 00:21:23,148 for the Explanation of the Uninvestigated. 473 00:21:23,190 --> 00:21:27,798 My father had to question whether he should stay involved. 474 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:30,085 James McDonald, one of his colleagues said, 475 00:21:30,127 --> 00:21:33,858 "Look, you're being played a fool by the Air Force." 476 00:21:33,900 --> 00:21:35,418 And my father thought a lot about it. 477 00:21:35,460 --> 00:21:39,618 He finally decided that having that front row center seat 478 00:21:39,660 --> 00:21:40,878 to all these goings on 479 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,728 and being able to influence things, not control, 480 00:21:43,770 --> 00:21:45,558 was worth the trouble. 481 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:50,600 But it became increasingly frustrating for him over time 482 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,884 as he saw that the Air Force was not changing their colors. 483 00:21:54,926 --> 00:21:57,408 (tense music) 484 00:21:57,450 --> 00:21:59,988 - [Narrator] J. Allen Hynek was openly frustrated 485 00:22:00,030 --> 00:22:01,938 by the fact he was never given access 486 00:22:01,980 --> 00:22:05,538 to what he knew were compelling events shrouded in secrecy. 487 00:22:05,580 --> 00:22:09,108 It haunted him until his passing in 1986. 488 00:22:09,150 --> 00:22:10,608 Official Air Force statements 489 00:22:10,650 --> 00:22:12,805 regarding the conclusion of Blue Book say, 490 00:22:12,847 --> 00:22:15,198 "Since the termination of Project Blue Book, 491 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,988 nothing has occurred that would support a resumption 492 00:22:18,030 --> 00:22:20,808 of UFO investigations by the Air Force." 493 00:22:20,850 --> 00:22:24,168 But another FOIA request revealed a different story. 494 00:22:24,210 --> 00:22:27,528 A 1969 memo from General Carroll Bolender, 495 00:22:27,570 --> 00:22:30,408 a senior director at Air Force Research and Development, 496 00:22:30,450 --> 00:22:33,108 stated after Blue Book was dissolved, 497 00:22:33,150 --> 00:22:36,348 that reports of UFOs would still continue to be handled 498 00:22:36,390 --> 00:22:38,388 through a standard Air Force procedure 499 00:22:38,430 --> 00:22:39,948 designed for this purpose. 500 00:22:39,990 --> 00:22:42,978 Furthermore, reports of unidentified flying objects 501 00:22:43,020 --> 00:22:45,978 which could affect national security were, are, 502 00:22:46,020 --> 00:22:48,258 not part of the Blue Book system. 503 00:22:48,300 --> 00:22:49,761 - There was the creation 504 00:22:49,803 --> 00:22:52,218 of the Air Intelligence Service squadrons, 505 00:22:52,260 --> 00:22:55,938 which were tasked with going to any spot 506 00:22:55,980 --> 00:22:59,363 in the continental United States within six hours 507 00:22:59,405 --> 00:23:04,398 and picking up debris, fallen pilots, 508 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:08,538 and also containing information leak. 509 00:23:08,580 --> 00:23:12,113 And so, many people think that that would've been the entity 510 00:23:12,155 --> 00:23:15,288 or the agency that gave birth to the Men in Black. 511 00:23:15,330 --> 00:23:19,338 What seems to be clear is that there was a bifurcation, 512 00:23:19,380 --> 00:23:21,018 that Project Blue Book may have started off 513 00:23:21,060 --> 00:23:22,518 as a serious scientific endeavor, 514 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:24,907 but as of 1953, it no longer was, 515 00:23:24,949 --> 00:23:26,298 and that it was most likely 516 00:23:26,340 --> 00:23:28,370 the Air Intelligence Service squadrons 517 00:23:28,412 --> 00:23:31,488 that picked up the banner of going out 518 00:23:31,530 --> 00:23:33,288 and trying to find saucers 519 00:23:33,330 --> 00:23:35,734 and then hand them off to people 520 00:23:35,776 --> 00:23:38,898 who would try to reverse engineer the propulsion systems, 521 00:23:38,940 --> 00:23:39,731 et cetera. 522 00:23:39,773 --> 00:23:41,778 - General Arthur Exon described to us 523 00:23:41,820 --> 00:23:43,278 when he was Base Commander 524 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:45,940 at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in 1964 525 00:23:45,982 --> 00:23:50,478 that there would be an ongoing joke that the Blue Book, 526 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,158 a two-man team would fly off 527 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,798 in a little single-engine plane in one direction, 528 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:56,328 and then the actual project 529 00:23:56,370 --> 00:23:59,328 would arrive from Washington on a commercial flight, 530 00:23:59,370 --> 00:24:01,608 they would change back into their uniforms, 531 00:24:01,650 --> 00:24:05,647 and a team of 12 to 15 officers would fly off in a jet 532 00:24:05,689 --> 00:24:09,315 to actually conduct full scale investigations. 533 00:24:09,357 --> 00:24:11,958 (tense music) 534 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,698 - [Narrator] Project Blue Book was headquartered 535 00:24:13,740 --> 00:24:15,798 at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, 536 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,768 but some of the other, more secret UFO programs 537 00:24:18,810 --> 00:24:20,868 seemed to have been located there too. 538 00:24:20,910 --> 00:24:23,838 One of these is the mysterious Blue Room, 539 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:25,548 an underground repository 540 00:24:25,590 --> 00:24:28,008 of recovered technology and debris. 541 00:24:28,050 --> 00:24:30,588 - This is the location, allegedly, 542 00:24:30,630 --> 00:24:32,568 where they brought the bodies and the craft 543 00:24:32,610 --> 00:24:33,618 from the Roswell crash, 544 00:24:33,660 --> 00:24:36,781 and where all of the other crash retrievals and bodies, 545 00:24:36,823 --> 00:24:39,258 kind of like they have a consortium 546 00:24:39,300 --> 00:24:40,428 of where they keep all this. 547 00:24:40,470 --> 00:24:42,828 So you've got the bodies, you've got the craft, 548 00:24:42,870 --> 00:24:45,783 you've got the debris, autopsy reports, 549 00:24:45,825 --> 00:24:49,218 the eight by 10 glossy white, black-and-white photographs, 550 00:24:49,260 --> 00:24:50,568 and the gun camera footage 551 00:24:50,610 --> 00:24:54,048 is all supposed to be kept at the Blue Room, 552 00:24:54,090 --> 00:24:57,443 some type of an underground vault or Building 18 553 00:24:57,485 --> 00:24:59,748 at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base. 554 00:24:59,790 --> 00:25:01,338 - [Narrator] Senator Barry Goldwater 555 00:25:01,380 --> 00:25:03,378 sought confirmation of this. 556 00:25:03,420 --> 00:25:05,388 - At Wright-Patterson Field, 557 00:25:05,430 --> 00:25:07,922 if you could get into certain places, 558 00:25:07,964 --> 00:25:10,008 you'd find out what the Air Force 559 00:25:10,050 --> 00:25:12,738 and the government knows about UFOs. 560 00:25:12,780 --> 00:25:17,103 Reportedly, a spaceship landed. 561 00:25:17,145 --> 00:25:19,818 And it was all hushed up, quieted, 562 00:25:19,860 --> 00:25:23,793 and nobody ever heard about much of it. 563 00:25:25,020 --> 00:25:27,265 I called Curtis LeMay and I said, 564 00:25:27,307 --> 00:25:32,307 "General, I know we have a room at Wright-Patterson 565 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,063 where you put all this secret stuff. 566 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:39,918 Can I go in there?" 567 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:41,943 I've never heard him get mad, 568 00:25:42,810 --> 00:25:46,368 but he got madder than hell at me, cussed me out, 569 00:25:46,410 --> 00:25:49,428 said, "Don't ever ask me that question." 570 00:25:49,470 --> 00:25:51,168 - [Narrator] Supposedly the contents 571 00:25:51,210 --> 00:25:52,818 of the Blue Room were filmed. 572 00:25:52,860 --> 00:25:55,758 Exhaustive FOIA requests finally revealed 573 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:59,839 that this film did indeed exist but was destroyed. 574 00:25:59,881 --> 00:26:02,028 (tense music) 575 00:26:02,070 --> 00:26:04,968 Nick Pope, a longtime ex-British government pundit 576 00:26:05,010 --> 00:26:08,208 on the topic denied official investigation of the subject 577 00:26:08,250 --> 00:26:10,338 for years, until he didn't. 578 00:26:10,380 --> 00:26:13,158 - The more interesting UFO sightings are being looked at, 579 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,008 but not under the auspices 580 00:26:16,050 --> 00:26:19,278 of a formerly constituted UFO research program. 581 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:23,358 - We now know about a government UFO program, 582 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:28,400 but we might not know about THE government UFO program. 583 00:26:29,461 --> 00:26:30,377 (tense music) 584 00:26:30,419 --> 00:26:32,058 (mysterious music) 585 00:26:32,100 --> 00:26:33,948 - [Narrator] Pope has told a story about a picture 586 00:26:33,990 --> 00:26:36,198 that hung on the wall of his office for years 587 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:37,668 until being removed. 588 00:26:37,710 --> 00:26:40,627 - The Calvine incident from the United Kingdom 589 00:26:40,669 --> 00:26:43,686 is one of the most intriguing UFO sightings 590 00:26:43,728 --> 00:26:46,488 in the British government's UFO files. 591 00:26:46,530 --> 00:26:48,948 And for some years, 592 00:26:48,990 --> 00:26:51,168 when I was working in Ministry of Defense 593 00:26:51,210 --> 00:26:52,848 main building on this issue, 594 00:26:52,890 --> 00:26:57,768 we had a blown-up, poster-sized enlargement 595 00:26:57,810 --> 00:27:01,578 of one of the photos that was taken. 596 00:27:01,620 --> 00:27:04,038 The story is that two hikers were out 597 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,008 and they saw a large, diamond-shaped UFO. 598 00:27:07,050 --> 00:27:10,039 At one point there was a military jet in the background, 599 00:27:10,081 --> 00:27:13,638 and then the UFO accelerated away. 600 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:15,858 We had looked at them at the Ministry of Defense. 601 00:27:15,900 --> 00:27:18,198 They'd been analyzed by various 602 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,948 intelligence community imagery analysts. 603 00:27:21,990 --> 00:27:23,508 It was literally a UFO. 604 00:27:23,550 --> 00:27:26,958 The Ministry of Defense embarked on a campaign 605 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,048 to declassify and release its UFO files. 606 00:27:30,090 --> 00:27:33,708 Documents about the Calvine incident emerged, 607 00:27:33,750 --> 00:27:37,738 but the full-size color photos, the negatives, 608 00:27:37,780 --> 00:27:42,408 the enlarged image that was on my wall, gone, disappeared. 609 00:27:42,450 --> 00:27:47,088 There was an effort to see if the original photos 610 00:27:47,130 --> 00:27:50,058 might be in the hard copy file 611 00:27:50,100 --> 00:27:52,308 held at the National Archives, 612 00:27:52,350 --> 00:27:55,788 and apparently the hard copy file will be released 613 00:27:55,830 --> 00:27:58,155 in about the year 2072. 614 00:27:58,197 --> 00:28:00,498 (tense music) 615 00:28:00,540 --> 00:28:02,388 - [Narrator] In an interesting turn of events, 616 00:28:02,430 --> 00:28:04,548 just as we were finishing this project, 617 00:28:04,590 --> 00:28:06,048 the picture appeared. 618 00:28:06,090 --> 00:28:09,138 This is the mysterious Calvine UFO photograph. 619 00:28:09,180 --> 00:28:10,818 The facts around this photograph 620 00:28:10,860 --> 00:28:13,098 strongly suggest an unknown group 621 00:28:13,140 --> 00:28:15,888 that was able to intercept the release of this image 622 00:28:15,930 --> 00:28:17,328 and attempt to stop it. 623 00:28:17,370 --> 00:28:18,918 But who are they? 624 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,198 - Information in government, 625 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,168 and particularly intelligence information, 626 00:28:24,210 --> 00:28:29,210 it's highly classified, deeply compartmentalized. 627 00:28:29,310 --> 00:28:31,068 Everyone works in silos. 628 00:28:31,110 --> 00:28:32,568 The left hand often doesn't know 629 00:28:32,610 --> 00:28:34,008 what the right hand's doing. 630 00:28:34,050 --> 00:28:36,708 - [Narrator] We saw an example of compartmentalization 631 00:28:36,750 --> 00:28:39,198 and the evasion of scrutiny and straight answers 632 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,108 during the recent Senate hearings on UFOs. 633 00:28:42,150 --> 00:28:43,098 - So you're not aware of anything 634 00:28:43,140 --> 00:28:45,738 in between Project Blue Book and AATIP? 635 00:28:45,780 --> 00:28:47,718 - Hasn't been brought to my attention. 636 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:49,908 - That data is not within the holdings 637 00:28:49,950 --> 00:28:51,138 of the UAP task force. 638 00:28:51,180 --> 00:28:52,608 - There are many things that are out there in the ether 639 00:28:52,650 --> 00:28:54,468 that aren't officially brought to our attention. 640 00:28:54,510 --> 00:28:55,788 - How would it have to be officially 641 00:28:55,830 --> 00:28:56,688 brought to your attention? 642 00:28:56,730 --> 00:28:57,995 I'm bringing it to your attention. 643 00:28:58,037 --> 00:28:59,568 - Probably a lot of leads 644 00:28:59,610 --> 00:29:00,648 that we would have to follow up on. 645 00:29:00,690 --> 00:29:02,748 I don't think we have a resource to do that right now. 646 00:29:02,790 --> 00:29:04,938 - All I can speak to is what's within my cognizance, 647 00:29:04,980 --> 00:29:07,758 the UAP task force, and we have not looked at that incident. 648 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:08,591 - And then, finally, 649 00:29:08,633 --> 00:29:11,298 are you aware of a document that appeared around 2019, 650 00:29:11,340 --> 00:29:15,078 sometimes called the Admiral Wilson memo or EW notes memo? 651 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,358 - I am not. - You're not. 652 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:18,558 - I'm not personally aware of that. 653 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:20,358 - [Narrator] These answers are made possible 654 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:24,018 by compartmentalization that aids in deniability. 655 00:29:24,060 --> 00:29:25,428 - You can ask the questions, 656 00:29:25,470 --> 00:29:27,078 but who are you gonna ask 'em of? 657 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:28,128 And you've gotta make sure 658 00:29:28,170 --> 00:29:30,018 you're asking the right people the questions, 659 00:29:30,060 --> 00:29:31,968 because that's another problem. 660 00:29:32,010 --> 00:29:34,265 You can ask questions all day long. 661 00:29:34,307 --> 00:29:36,408 (tense music) 662 00:29:36,450 --> 00:29:37,548 - [Narrator] While we're at it, 663 00:29:37,590 --> 00:29:39,468 what is the Wilson-Davis memo 664 00:29:39,510 --> 00:29:41,688 that Senator Gallagher asked about? 665 00:29:41,730 --> 00:29:46,278 - It's the leak of 15 pages of notes by Dr. Eric Davis 666 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:48,438 of a meeting he had in 2002 667 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,228 with a retired member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, 668 00:29:51,270 --> 00:29:53,148 Admiral Thomas R. Wilson, 669 00:29:53,190 --> 00:29:57,708 and the contents of these notes are absolutely explosive. 670 00:29:57,750 --> 00:30:00,258 - [Narrator] The Wilson-Davis memo was found in the files 671 00:30:00,300 --> 00:30:02,148 of the late Dr. Edgar Mitchell. 672 00:30:02,190 --> 00:30:04,758 - It was the existence of a reverse engineering program 673 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,998 to reverse engineer extraterrestrial technology. 674 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:09,438 - After he learned about the existence 675 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:13,488 of a deep classified program to study ET technology. 676 00:30:13,530 --> 00:30:15,468 And the fact that he had genuine 677 00:30:15,510 --> 00:30:18,618 legal regulatory oversight over this, 678 00:30:18,660 --> 00:30:21,078 how he was denied access to this program. 679 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,198 - We had retrieved a functioning craft 680 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:24,990 that was ET in nature. 681 00:30:25,032 --> 00:30:26,898 This is all stated in there, 682 00:30:26,940 --> 00:30:28,368 and that there had been this long, 683 00:30:28,410 --> 00:30:29,958 reverse engineering program, 684 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,118 but it had gone into a corporate company, 685 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,518 and the heads of the Joint Chiefs of Staff 686 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:35,928 have no business looking into it. 687 00:30:35,970 --> 00:30:37,308 - The memorable quote in that note 688 00:30:37,350 --> 00:30:40,578 is "technology, not of this Earth, 689 00:30:40,620 --> 00:30:44,058 not made by man, not by human hands." 690 00:30:44,100 --> 00:30:45,948 - And they said, "Nope, you're not read in." 691 00:30:45,990 --> 00:30:48,108 - [Narrator] Admiral Wilson denies the authenticity 692 00:30:48,150 --> 00:30:49,188 of the story. 693 00:30:49,230 --> 00:30:51,708 Dr. Eric Davis plays a significant role 694 00:30:51,750 --> 00:30:53,958 in the programs we are describing here, 695 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:55,698 the history and the research. 696 00:30:55,740 --> 00:30:56,905 He said this. 697 00:30:56,947 --> 00:31:00,228 "I'm not at liberty to confirm or verify 698 00:31:00,270 --> 00:31:02,418 any aspect of those notes." 699 00:31:02,460 --> 00:31:04,438 - These notes, in my view, 700 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,954 there's no question about their authenticity. 701 00:31:06,996 --> 00:31:09,708 (tense music) 702 00:31:09,750 --> 00:31:11,868 - [Narrator] In a recent presentation to Congress, 703 00:31:11,910 --> 00:31:15,648 MUFON, the Mutual UFO Network, presented a slide 704 00:31:15,690 --> 00:31:18,738 pointing out nearly 20 government agencies 705 00:31:18,780 --> 00:31:22,608 that have some program or study of UAP. 706 00:31:22,650 --> 00:31:23,613 There were many. 707 00:31:25,470 --> 00:31:28,788 In 1991, New York Times writer Howard Bloom 708 00:31:28,830 --> 00:31:30,978 released the book "Out There." 709 00:31:31,020 --> 00:31:34,638 In it, he detailed an actual group formed by the Pentagon 710 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:36,318 to investigate new evidence 711 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,318 related to an extraterrestrial presence. 712 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,478 This group, referred to in the book 713 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:43,458 as the UFO Working Group, 714 00:31:43,500 --> 00:31:45,858 was led by a shadowy Army colonel 715 00:31:45,900 --> 00:31:48,409 referred to as Colonel Phillips. 716 00:31:48,451 --> 00:31:51,184 It is believed that the mysterious Colonel Phillips 717 00:31:51,226 --> 00:31:55,968 represents a real colonel who is even more of a mystery. 718 00:31:56,010 --> 00:31:58,698 Colonel John Alexander is a central figure 719 00:31:58,740 --> 00:32:00,588 in much of this history. 720 00:32:00,630 --> 00:32:02,928 In 1985, he became the Director 721 00:32:02,970 --> 00:32:06,498 of Advanced Concepts at the U.S. Army Lab. 722 00:32:06,540 --> 00:32:10,773 In 2009, John Alexander spoke at the UFO X-Conference 723 00:32:10,815 --> 00:32:13,083 and was interviewed behind the scenes. 724 00:32:13,980 --> 00:32:16,398 - What I think needs to happen at this time 725 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,468 is not disclosure per se, 726 00:32:18,510 --> 00:32:20,088 'cause I don't think there is much to disclose. 727 00:32:20,130 --> 00:32:21,858 What I think needs to happen 728 00:32:21,900 --> 00:32:25,488 is we need to make it okay, permissible, 729 00:32:25,530 --> 00:32:27,798 for serious scientists 730 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,648 who want to explore these fields to do this. 731 00:32:30,690 --> 00:32:33,048 - [Narrator] Unknown at the time of this original interview, 732 00:32:33,090 --> 00:32:34,548 he had been running a program 733 00:32:34,590 --> 00:32:37,458 exactly like the kind described in Bloom's book. 734 00:32:37,500 --> 00:32:42,078 - A bunch of military, aerospace, and government insiders 735 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,408 started with the Advanced Theoretical Physics Working Group. 736 00:32:45,450 --> 00:32:47,028 Now, there's even some evidence 737 00:32:47,070 --> 00:32:48,918 that it existed prior to that. 738 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:52,638 - I ran a program inside the government. 739 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:56,008 I had all of the services involved. 740 00:32:56,050 --> 00:32:59,208 I had many aspects of the intelligence community, 741 00:32:59,250 --> 00:33:01,458 had aerospace engineers. 742 00:33:01,500 --> 00:33:04,968 It was at the top secret SCI level, 743 00:33:05,010 --> 00:33:07,820 so everybody had the high clearances. 744 00:33:07,862 --> 00:33:09,768 (tense music) 745 00:33:09,810 --> 00:33:12,348 - They had this meeting at BDM Corporation 746 00:33:12,390 --> 00:33:13,968 in a secure vault room 747 00:33:14,010 --> 00:33:16,908 and said, "We're forming up this group," 748 00:33:16,950 --> 00:33:18,888 and that was in 1985. 749 00:33:18,930 --> 00:33:20,028 - [Narrator] The real name of the group 750 00:33:20,070 --> 00:33:23,358 was the Advanced Theoretical Physics Working Group. 751 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:27,203 The study topics included advanced detector deployment, 752 00:33:27,245 --> 00:33:31,351 established communication, new materials, 753 00:33:31,393 --> 00:33:34,608 develop a gravity interaction system, 754 00:33:34,650 --> 00:33:38,028 biological controls of processes. 755 00:33:38,070 --> 00:33:39,888 - A, we start by saying it's real. 756 00:33:39,930 --> 00:33:41,538 So, let's be clear. 757 00:33:41,580 --> 00:33:44,718 UFOs are real. Sensor systems pick them up. 758 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,529 (tense music) 759 00:33:47,571 --> 00:33:50,403 UFOs have been around 760 00:33:50,445 --> 00:33:53,688 since, again, the beginning of time 761 00:33:53,730 --> 00:33:56,313 or recorded history as we know it. 762 00:33:58,140 --> 00:34:00,074 It is a global phenomena. 763 00:34:00,116 --> 00:34:02,448 (tense music) 764 00:34:02,490 --> 00:34:05,778 One of the things that will come up in this undoubtedly 765 00:34:05,820 --> 00:34:09,565 is the BASS study or the one that Lue Elizondo said, 766 00:34:09,608 --> 00:34:12,197 came out in the New York Times. 767 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,408 - We spent a lot of time in the analysis piece of this, 768 00:34:15,449 --> 00:34:18,108 getting experts within the community, 769 00:34:18,150 --> 00:34:19,994 both the Department of Defense 770 00:34:20,036 --> 00:34:21,288 and the intelligence community. 771 00:34:21,330 --> 00:34:24,078 - They basically followed the same thing 772 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,706 that I had done 30 years earlier 773 00:34:27,748 --> 00:34:31,788 and found, I think, basically the same thing. 774 00:34:31,830 --> 00:34:33,318 - What we're talking about is something 775 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,408 that is probably not ours or adversarial, 776 00:34:36,449 --> 00:34:39,520 something that we really just don't know where it's from 777 00:34:40,500 --> 00:34:42,467 and may have been, frankly, here for quite awhile. 778 00:34:42,510 --> 00:34:46,728 - The things that they knew about the capabilities of UFOs 779 00:34:46,770 --> 00:34:48,980 were being observed about the same, 780 00:34:49,022 --> 00:34:52,360 really fast, high speed turns, antigravity, 781 00:34:52,402 --> 00:34:55,070 things that just can't happen. 782 00:34:55,112 --> 00:34:57,558 (tense music) 783 00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,078 And first of all, every sensor system we have 784 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,318 does pick up UFOs from time to time. 785 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,558 We have hard craft, more than a mile of across, 786 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:10,128 multi-sensor, I mean absolutely real, 787 00:35:10,170 --> 00:35:13,515 and thousands and thousands of variations in between. 788 00:35:13,557 --> 00:35:16,428 - And UAP observed and interacting with 789 00:35:16,470 --> 00:35:18,708 and flying over sensitive military facilities particularly, 790 00:35:18,750 --> 00:35:19,608 and not just ranges, 791 00:35:19,650 --> 00:35:22,787 but some facilities housing our strategic nuclear forces. 792 00:35:22,829 --> 00:35:25,241 One such incident allegedly occurred 793 00:35:25,283 --> 00:35:27,918 at Malmstrom Air Force Base, 794 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,708 in which 10 of our nuclear ICBMs were rendered inoperable. 795 00:35:30,750 --> 00:35:32,658 - People do look at some of these things, 796 00:35:32,700 --> 00:35:35,598 particularly the incidents with "Faded Giant" 797 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:37,338 that Bob Salas talks about, 798 00:35:37,380 --> 00:35:40,428 where you had missiles go down, absolutely real. 799 00:35:40,470 --> 00:35:42,858 - I have heard stories. I have not seen the official data. 800 00:35:42,900 --> 00:35:45,918 No official assessment that you've done 801 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,464 or exists within DOD that you're aware of 802 00:35:48,506 --> 00:35:50,538 regarding the Malmstrom incident. 803 00:35:50,580 --> 00:35:51,821 - We have not looked at that incident. 804 00:35:51,863 --> 00:35:54,498 - You're the guys investigating it. 805 00:35:54,540 --> 00:35:55,338 Who else is doing it? 806 00:35:55,380 --> 00:36:00,264 - Studied the hell out of it and end up with have no idea. 807 00:36:00,306 --> 00:36:02,898 (tense music) 808 00:36:02,940 --> 00:36:04,668 - [Narrator] This stunning set of revelations 809 00:36:04,710 --> 00:36:07,998 places John Alexander in the thick of the subject 810 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,743 during the elusive missing years in question. 811 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,418 A request for information on the military background 812 00:36:14,460 --> 00:36:15,873 of Colonel John Alexander 813 00:36:15,915 --> 00:36:18,138 returned an absolute refusal 814 00:36:18,180 --> 00:36:20,478 by the Department of Army Personnel 815 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:24,292 to even acknowledge Colonel Alexander's military record. 816 00:36:24,334 --> 00:36:27,138 (tense music) 817 00:36:27,180 --> 00:36:29,148 After retiring from the Army, 818 00:36:29,190 --> 00:36:32,868 John Alexander worked at Los Alamos National Labs. 819 00:36:32,910 --> 00:36:36,168 In 1995, Alexander took a position 820 00:36:36,210 --> 00:36:38,448 at a new research group called NIDS, 821 00:36:38,490 --> 00:36:41,268 the National Institute for Discovery Sciences. 822 00:36:41,310 --> 00:36:45,498 NIDS was founded by a Nevada billionaire Robert Bigelow. 823 00:36:45,540 --> 00:36:48,168 - These individuals became friends with Robert Bigelow, 824 00:36:48,210 --> 00:36:49,668 and they became involved with him. 825 00:36:49,710 --> 00:36:51,228 Shortly after that, 826 00:36:51,270 --> 00:36:53,958 another organization was formed, called NIDS, 827 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,478 National Institute of Discovery Science, 828 00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:57,948 and Bigelow funded that, 829 00:36:57,990 --> 00:37:01,308 and it involved all these same people and others. 830 00:37:01,350 --> 00:37:03,168 - [Narrator] Shortly after forming NIDS, 831 00:37:03,210 --> 00:37:05,838 Robert Bigelow bought the famous paranormal site 832 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:07,968 known as Skinwalker Ranch. 833 00:37:08,010 --> 00:37:10,518 John Alexander was there. 834 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:11,703 - I was with Bob. 835 00:37:12,570 --> 00:37:13,695 Robert Bigelow owned it, 836 00:37:13,737 --> 00:37:16,008 and I was with Bob the day he bought the ranch, 837 00:37:16,050 --> 00:37:20,538 was the first one to spend the night. 838 00:37:20,580 --> 00:37:23,028 We spent years looking at that. 839 00:37:23,070 --> 00:37:25,938 - [Narrator] He would go on to personally witness events 840 00:37:25,980 --> 00:37:28,188 that led him to startling conclusions 841 00:37:28,230 --> 00:37:31,488 about the complexity of unexplained phenomena. 842 00:37:31,530 --> 00:37:32,871 - There was no single phenomena 843 00:37:32,913 --> 00:37:34,578 that was happening at the ranch. 844 00:37:34,620 --> 00:37:37,278 The stories are so bizarre. 845 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,918 What you end up, though, with is something 846 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:41,928 that is terribly complex, 847 00:37:41,970 --> 00:37:44,837 maybe more complex than we can imagine. 848 00:37:44,879 --> 00:37:47,538 (tense music) 849 00:37:47,580 --> 00:37:49,788 - [Narrator] It wasn't long before strange reports 850 00:37:49,830 --> 00:37:51,828 of unusual activity at the ranch 851 00:37:51,870 --> 00:37:55,668 attracted the attention of the Defense Intelligence Agency. 852 00:37:55,710 --> 00:37:58,086 - You look at the guys involved, some of them were our, 853 00:37:58,128 --> 00:38:01,008 I mean, talking PhD level scientists. 854 00:38:01,050 --> 00:38:02,778 - [Narrator] Robert Bigelow went on to form 855 00:38:02,820 --> 00:38:05,778 Bigelow Advanced Aerospace Studies, BASS, 856 00:38:05,820 --> 00:38:07,898 as the evolved version of NIDS. 857 00:38:07,940 --> 00:38:09,498 He was quickly rewarded 858 00:38:09,540 --> 00:38:12,378 with a Defense Intelligence Agency contract 859 00:38:12,420 --> 00:38:16,668 to study subjects closely tied to the UAP phenomenon. 860 00:38:16,710 --> 00:38:18,948 According to the original contract, 861 00:38:18,990 --> 00:38:23,836 some of these topics included lift, propulsion, control, 862 00:38:23,878 --> 00:38:28,218 power generation, spatial temporal translation, 863 00:38:28,260 --> 00:38:32,958 materials, structural configuration, signature reduction, 864 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,903 human interface, human effects, and armament. 865 00:38:37,830 --> 00:38:41,628 At one point, BASS brought on MUFON, the Mutual UFO Network, 866 00:38:41,670 --> 00:38:44,688 to help in the study of UFO events around the world. 867 00:38:44,730 --> 00:38:47,388 Richard Lang ran the program inside MUFON. 868 00:38:47,430 --> 00:38:49,248 - Well we put this program together. 869 00:38:49,290 --> 00:38:51,258 Basically what they were doing 870 00:38:51,300 --> 00:38:55,968 is they were paying MUFON for data every month. 871 00:38:56,010 --> 00:38:57,858 At the time that we put this all together, 872 00:38:57,900 --> 00:39:00,708 we didn't know that the DIA was funding this. 873 00:39:00,750 --> 00:39:03,258 I knew, based on some of the conversations I had, 874 00:39:03,300 --> 00:39:07,068 that there was somebody funding it that wasn't Bigelow, 875 00:39:07,110 --> 00:39:08,298 but I didn't know who it was. 876 00:39:08,340 --> 00:39:10,696 I assumed it was some government agency 877 00:39:10,738 --> 00:39:12,918 (tense music) 878 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,318 - [Narrator] The BASS program was called AAWSAP. 879 00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:19,818 It was the precursor program to what we now know as AATIP 880 00:39:19,860 --> 00:39:21,918 Lue Elizondo says he took over 881 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,828 the remains of the program in 2009. 882 00:39:24,870 --> 00:39:28,101 - So the initial focus of of AATIP, 883 00:39:28,143 --> 00:39:32,358 which was really AAWSAP, was very broad. 884 00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:37,055 So imagine trying to shoot a fly with a shotgun, right? 885 00:39:37,097 --> 00:39:38,805 Chances are you'll probably hit the fly, 886 00:39:38,847 --> 00:39:41,628 but chances are you're gonna hit a lot more. 887 00:39:41,670 --> 00:39:43,458 So we quickly realized that we were getting 888 00:39:43,500 --> 00:39:44,328 a lot of information 889 00:39:44,370 --> 00:39:46,787 as a result of this broad focus very quickly, 890 00:39:46,829 --> 00:39:48,768 and we frankly just didn't have the staff 891 00:39:48,810 --> 00:39:49,601 to deal with it all, 892 00:39:49,643 --> 00:39:53,298 so a decision was made early on to focus the program. 893 00:39:53,340 --> 00:39:55,548 The program was renamed to AATIP, 894 00:39:55,590 --> 00:39:58,522 and really use, let's say, instead of a shotgun, 895 00:39:58,564 --> 00:40:01,698 maybe we're gonna use a sniper rifle this time, right? 896 00:40:01,740 --> 00:40:04,128 So, much more focused on what it is 897 00:40:04,170 --> 00:40:05,718 we were trying to collect 898 00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:10,338 and try to digest this elephant one bite at a time. 899 00:40:10,380 --> 00:40:15,093 And so the focus of AATIP was, indeed, the phenomena. 900 00:40:16,077 --> 00:40:19,158 Again, the challenge is where do you start? 901 00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:21,860 - We have got, and we may well get, 902 00:40:21,902 --> 00:40:25,488 interesting information, but we may never get all of it. 903 00:40:25,530 --> 00:40:26,778 - What I'm afraid happens, too, 904 00:40:26,820 --> 00:40:29,801 is that somebody that has this knowledge 905 00:40:29,843 --> 00:40:34,843 passes away or goes on, and then the new person coming in 906 00:40:35,070 --> 00:40:37,938 doesn't quite grasp what's going on. 907 00:40:37,980 --> 00:40:40,878 - One difficulty with getting information from the military 908 00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:45,920 is those who say don't know, those who know don't say. 909 00:40:47,100 --> 00:40:49,548 So, in other words, when someone says that I know everything 910 00:40:49,590 --> 00:40:51,768 about what's happening with the military, 911 00:40:51,810 --> 00:40:53,718 then don't believe it, 912 00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,508 because maybe there are things that they don't know. 913 00:40:56,550 --> 00:41:01,218 So I think the mantra here is beware; that is, be cautious. 914 00:41:01,260 --> 00:41:04,758 Don't believe everything you hear from the military. 915 00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:06,378 - These private corporations that are running 916 00:41:06,420 --> 00:41:08,770 the special access programs, they're the mafia. 917 00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:13,518 They don't want anything examining what they do. 918 00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:15,558 They've got the future in their possession. 919 00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:17,628 They've got the most exotic technology 920 00:41:17,670 --> 00:41:20,628 and science imaginable, and they have it. 921 00:41:20,670 --> 00:41:23,298 Why would they possibly wanna share it? 922 00:41:23,340 --> 00:41:27,078 - Anybody that does know the truth, I don't know their name, 923 00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:28,698 you don't know their name, 924 00:41:28,740 --> 00:41:30,648 they are not in the public right now, 925 00:41:30,690 --> 00:41:32,478 they are not speaking to anybody, 926 00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,178 they're not not on camera, you don't know them, 927 00:41:35,220 --> 00:41:37,728 - and that's where the dark programs, I think, come in, 928 00:41:37,770 --> 00:41:39,588 the Skunk Works and things like that. 929 00:41:39,630 --> 00:41:42,168 It's where the government and big business 930 00:41:42,210 --> 00:41:45,618 somehow are interlocked that we don't know, 931 00:41:45,660 --> 00:41:47,838 and there's somebody knows. 932 00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,851 Somebody's getting that money, and it's going somewhere. 933 00:41:50,893 --> 00:41:53,393 (tense music) 934 00:41:55,380 --> 00:41:57,918 - When it came to investigating the UFO mystery, 935 00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,408 a lot of people used to say that all roads 936 00:42:00,450 --> 00:42:02,658 led to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base. 937 00:42:02,700 --> 00:42:04,008 But in the last few years, 938 00:42:04,050 --> 00:42:06,648 and especially some of the more controversial subjects, 939 00:42:06,690 --> 00:42:09,258 a lot of the roads lead right here. 940 00:42:09,300 --> 00:42:11,568 - [Narrator] Recently declassified documents 941 00:42:11,610 --> 00:42:14,538 now shed light on the other aspects of BASS 942 00:42:14,580 --> 00:42:16,438 and information that may have originated 943 00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,248 from some of these older programs. 944 00:42:19,290 --> 00:42:21,078 Since the early 1900s, 945 00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,748 there have been reports of crashed UFOs. 946 00:42:23,790 --> 00:42:26,358 For over a century, hundreds of witnesses 947 00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:28,008 have shared their accounts. 948 00:42:28,050 --> 00:42:31,698 - There were 119 alleged crash retrieval cases. 949 00:42:31,740 --> 00:42:33,768 All we need is one to be true, 950 00:42:33,810 --> 00:42:35,538 and its disclosure right there. 951 00:42:35,580 --> 00:42:36,408 All we need is one. 952 00:42:36,450 --> 00:42:39,045 So, some of the cases that come to mind 953 00:42:39,087 --> 00:42:43,758 are certainly 1941, Cape Girardeau, Missouri, 954 00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:45,678 where there were three bodies recovered. 955 00:42:45,720 --> 00:42:47,478 The craft was recovered as well. 956 00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:49,938 It's alleged that the bodies in the craft 957 00:42:49,980 --> 00:42:52,068 were stored not at the Pentagon, 958 00:42:52,110 --> 00:42:54,438 because the Pentagon didn't exist in '41, 959 00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,958 but in the basement of the Capitol building 960 00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:57,978 in Washington D.C. 961 00:42:58,020 --> 00:43:00,288 So that's 1941, Cape Girardeau. 962 00:43:00,330 --> 00:43:02,568 Now, move fast forward six years. 963 00:43:02,610 --> 00:43:04,998 You've got July 2nd, 1947. 964 00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,338 You've got the Roswell Crash retrieval. 965 00:43:07,380 --> 00:43:09,288 There was a small egg-shaped craft 966 00:43:09,330 --> 00:43:11,538 the size of a Volkswagen with a dome on top. 967 00:43:11,580 --> 00:43:13,878 There were five bodies recovered. One was still alive. 968 00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:14,778 So that's Roswell. 969 00:43:14,820 --> 00:43:18,366 Move forward in 1953. You've got the Kingman. 970 00:43:18,408 --> 00:43:21,828 This is not the crash retrieval, 971 00:43:21,870 --> 00:43:23,988 but it is a forced landing. 972 00:43:24,030 --> 00:43:26,118 There were four beings associated 973 00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,698 with that particular retrieval operation. 974 00:43:28,740 --> 00:43:30,168 They were all live. 975 00:43:30,210 --> 00:43:32,148 They did establish contact. 976 00:43:32,190 --> 00:43:33,768 That craft was allegedly brought 977 00:43:33,810 --> 00:43:35,298 to the remote test site in Nevada. 978 00:43:35,340 --> 00:43:39,738 Now, prior to that we've got the '48 Aztec crash retrieval. 979 00:43:39,780 --> 00:43:43,608 This was a 99.9-foot-diameter, dish-shaped craft 980 00:43:43,650 --> 00:43:47,988 that had a kind of a silver outer exterior color. 981 00:43:48,030 --> 00:43:49,728 There were two bodies recovered 982 00:43:49,770 --> 00:43:51,498 on the upper dome of the craft. 983 00:43:51,540 --> 00:43:53,928 In the central part of the rim of the craft 984 00:43:53,970 --> 00:43:56,088 on the interior, there were another 14 bodies, 985 00:43:56,130 --> 00:43:58,248 for a grand total of 16 bodies. 986 00:43:58,290 --> 00:44:01,518 That craft was allegedly brought back to Los Alamos, 987 00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,668 reassembled, and then the retrieval operation 988 00:44:04,710 --> 00:44:08,358 or the reverse engineering operation began at that point. 989 00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,178 These are some of the retrieval operations 990 00:44:11,220 --> 00:44:12,498 and cases that come to mind 991 00:44:12,540 --> 00:44:14,851 that, if we could get one of these, 992 00:44:14,893 --> 00:44:17,058 the evidence for one of these, 993 00:44:17,100 --> 00:44:20,028 it would push this .eld of ufology forward. 994 00:44:20,070 --> 00:44:21,768 - There's a red line in this whole process 995 00:44:21,810 --> 00:44:23,568 that you're not allowed to cross. 996 00:44:23,610 --> 00:44:26,838 And the red line is, well, the conspiracy line. 997 00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,628 The red line is basically crash retrievals. 998 00:44:29,670 --> 00:44:32,618 Because if you acknowledge that there have been retrievals 999 00:44:32,660 --> 00:44:35,868 of this technology, and bodies, 1000 00:44:35,910 --> 00:44:38,961 there is no way to avoid the obvious conclusion 1001 00:44:39,003 --> 00:44:41,148 that this is a conspiracy. 1002 00:44:41,190 --> 00:44:43,728 - The areas of materials recovery, 1003 00:44:43,770 --> 00:44:46,908 to the extent that they have been recovered in crashes, 1004 00:44:46,950 --> 00:44:48,588 are heavily classified, 1005 00:44:48,630 --> 00:44:50,879 so we don't have access to that material. 1006 00:44:50,921 --> 00:44:53,298 (tense music) 1007 00:44:53,340 --> 00:44:55,428 - [Narrator] We know about programs that have existed 1008 00:44:55,470 --> 00:44:59,838 to study and attempt to reverse engineer this technology. 1009 00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:04,848 The evidence has been circumstantial at best, until now. 1010 00:45:04,890 --> 00:45:07,686 Included in the 2017 media flurry 1011 00:45:07,728 --> 00:45:11,178 was an additional story by the New York Times. 1012 00:45:11,220 --> 00:45:14,178 - And they took the conversation right to the edge 1013 00:45:14,220 --> 00:45:16,511 of crash retrievals, right to the precipice. 1014 00:45:16,553 --> 00:45:19,338 If they took one more step, they're going off that cliff. 1015 00:45:19,380 --> 00:45:21,078 And we're talking about genuine UFO crash retrievals. 1016 00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:24,018 - What we do know, and what we put in the New York Times, 1017 00:45:24,060 --> 00:45:25,038 and I'm pretty proud of this 1018 00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,470 because it was as far as we could go 1019 00:45:27,512 --> 00:45:30,281 that was fully documented, 1020 00:45:30,323 --> 00:45:34,098 was that a congressional committee's staff 1021 00:45:34,140 --> 00:45:38,328 were briefed with slides 1022 00:45:38,370 --> 00:45:42,708 referring to material recovery, apparent material recovery 1023 00:45:42,750 --> 00:45:47,750 from crashed UFOs off Earth, off planet vehicles. 1024 00:45:48,390 --> 00:45:50,958 - They quoted Eric Davis, they quoted Harry Reed, 1025 00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:56,000 both very positively about UFO crashes. 1026 00:45:56,070 --> 00:45:58,128 Can you imagine what that's like for the New York Times 1027 00:45:58,170 --> 00:46:00,198 to talk about UFO crash retrievals? 1028 00:46:00,240 --> 00:46:02,538 - [Narrator] Senator Harry Reed was quoted as saying 1029 00:46:02,580 --> 00:46:05,191 that materials recovered from off-world craft 1030 00:46:05,233 --> 00:46:08,538 were studied as part of the AAWSAP program. 1031 00:46:08,580 --> 00:46:11,478 After the story broke, Senator Reed strongly objected 1032 00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:13,098 to some of the wording of the story 1033 00:46:13,140 --> 00:46:15,078 and demanded a retraction. 1034 00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,328 The verbiage was changed slightly, 1035 00:46:17,370 --> 00:46:21,258 but the Times still sticks by its original reporting. 1036 00:46:21,300 --> 00:46:22,218 - The stories in New York Times 1037 00:46:22,260 --> 00:46:24,788 were fully documented with named sources. 1038 00:46:24,830 --> 00:46:28,148 We didn't put in information that hid the origins. 1039 00:46:28,190 --> 00:46:29,928 It was very transparent. 1040 00:46:29,970 --> 00:46:31,518 We said where we got the information. 1041 00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:32,928 We had the briefing slides. 1042 00:46:32,970 --> 00:46:35,778 One was put into a story that we wrote in the Times. 1043 00:46:35,820 --> 00:46:39,888 We actually had the slide copied 1044 00:46:39,930 --> 00:46:43,578 and pictured in the New York Times. 1045 00:46:43,620 --> 00:46:46,728 - [Narrator] Dr. Eric Davis again made an appearance. 1046 00:46:46,770 --> 00:46:50,088 This time it was reported that he delivered a presentation 1047 00:46:50,130 --> 00:46:52,278 behind the closed doors of Congress, 1048 00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:54,108 acknowledging that some materials 1049 00:46:54,150 --> 00:46:57,858 were recovered from off-world craft. 1050 00:46:57,900 --> 00:47:00,537 Dr. Davis is quoted elsewhere as saying, 1051 00:47:00,579 --> 00:47:04,008 "We have crash retrievals and they've been analyzed. 1052 00:47:04,050 --> 00:47:05,388 The program was terminated 1053 00:47:05,430 --> 00:47:08,007 for lack of progress in reverse engineering." 1054 00:47:08,940 --> 00:47:12,498 - Because there's no way at that point that you can pretend, 1055 00:47:12,540 --> 00:47:13,608 oh, well, there's something out there, 1056 00:47:13,650 --> 00:47:15,078 but we don't know what they are, 1057 00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:16,968 which has been the little pretend game 1058 00:47:17,010 --> 00:47:18,768 that everyone's been playing all this time. 1059 00:47:18,810 --> 00:47:21,575 Elizondo plays that game, 'cause he has to, 1060 00:47:21,617 --> 00:47:24,198 'cause he knows how far he's allowed to go. 1061 00:47:24,240 --> 00:47:26,898 - I'm not a whistleblower, and as far as a leaker, 1062 00:47:26,940 --> 00:47:28,548 I'll be damned if someone's gonna call me a leaker. 1063 00:47:28,590 --> 00:47:31,038 'cause a leaker is somebody who takes classified information 1064 00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:33,732 and provides it in an unauthorized manner 1065 00:47:33,774 --> 00:47:35,928 for the purpose of disclosure. 1066 00:47:35,970 --> 00:47:37,788 I've never done that, and I never will do that. 1067 00:47:37,830 --> 00:47:41,838 - Do you think the U.S. government has debris 1068 00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:43,908 from a UFO in its possession right now? 1069 00:47:43,950 --> 00:47:44,741 - Unfortunately, Tucker, 1070 00:47:44,783 --> 00:47:47,088 I really have to be careful of my NDA. 1071 00:47:47,130 --> 00:47:49,835 I really can't go into a lot of more detail in that. 1072 00:47:49,877 --> 00:47:50,668 - Okay. 1073 00:47:50,710 --> 00:47:52,964 - But, simply put, yes. 1074 00:47:53,006 --> 00:47:55,308 (tense music) 1075 00:47:55,350 --> 00:47:57,678 - [Narrator] Chris Mellon, former Under Secretary 1076 00:47:57,720 --> 00:47:59,388 of Defense for Intelligence, 1077 00:47:59,430 --> 00:48:01,808 said in a Washington post op-ed 1078 00:48:01,850 --> 00:48:05,598 that the government had not been studying the UFO topic, 1079 00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:08,898 and because of his position, he would know if it was. 1080 00:48:08,940 --> 00:48:13,278 But when we pressed him on it, he made a stunning statement. 1081 00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:17,193 - There's a bonafide issue there, and I understand that. 1082 00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:22,218 I was part of a process that was supposedly reviewing 1083 00:48:22,260 --> 00:48:25,488 all of the Defense Department special access programs, 1084 00:48:25,530 --> 00:48:27,498 and I also... 1085 00:48:27,540 --> 00:48:29,748 People don't generally understand this taxonomy, 1086 00:48:29,790 --> 00:48:32,268 but there is a world of programs 1087 00:48:32,310 --> 00:48:33,321 within the Defense Department 1088 00:48:33,363 --> 00:48:35,508 that is entirely separate and distinct 1089 00:48:35,550 --> 00:48:36,558 from the intelligence community, 1090 00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:38,778 is not shared with the intelligence community. 1091 00:48:38,820 --> 00:48:40,248 And to some extent, vice versa. 1092 00:48:40,290 --> 00:48:42,052 In addition, there's a group of programs 1093 00:48:42,094 --> 00:48:43,518 in the Department of Energy. 1094 00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:46,038 And again, those are not generally shared. 1095 00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:47,838 So there's sort of three galaxies 1096 00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:49,968 which intersect to some degree of 1097 00:48:50,010 --> 00:48:51,793 very tightly held programs. 1098 00:48:51,835 --> 00:48:54,438 I was very deep on two of the three, 1099 00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:56,523 had some access to the third. 1100 00:48:58,140 --> 00:48:59,778 But as I've often said to people, 1101 00:48:59,820 --> 00:49:01,698 you don't know what you don't know. 1102 00:49:01,740 --> 00:49:06,740 And there is a possibility that there was some very small, 1103 00:49:07,265 --> 00:49:09,648 tightly held, close little group, for example, 1104 00:49:09,690 --> 00:49:11,458 that had some crash debris or something 1105 00:49:11,500 --> 00:49:14,358 and was working that, that the rest of the department, 1106 00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:15,826 and even we didn't know about 1107 00:49:15,868 --> 00:49:18,635 at the special access program oversight committee. 1108 00:49:18,677 --> 00:49:20,868 (tense music) 1109 00:49:20,910 --> 00:49:24,348 - So now there are reports of perhaps debris, 1110 00:49:24,390 --> 00:49:27,678 debris left over from UFOs. 1111 00:49:27,720 --> 00:49:29,448 - [Narrator] Even with thinly veiled admissions 1112 00:49:29,490 --> 00:49:30,708 from those in the know 1113 00:49:30,750 --> 00:49:32,718 and evidence pointing to corporations 1114 00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:35,148 having received materials to study, 1115 00:49:35,190 --> 00:49:37,791 details about any of these physical materials 1116 00:49:37,833 --> 00:49:39,888 have been unverifiable 1117 00:49:39,930 --> 00:49:42,511 Recently that changed. 1118 00:49:42,553 --> 00:49:46,243 (curious electronic music) 1119 00:49:46,285 --> 00:49:48,918 - UFO investigator Anthony Bergalia 1120 00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:50,838 finally received a reply 1121 00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:52,728 to a Freedom of Information Act request 1122 00:49:52,770 --> 00:49:56,965 that he filed back in 2017 pertaining to, quote, 1123 00:49:57,007 --> 00:49:59,238 "physical debris recovered by personnel 1124 00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:00,858 of the Department of Defense 1125 00:50:00,900 --> 00:50:04,248 as residue, shot off material, 1126 00:50:04,290 --> 00:50:07,878 or crashed UAP, or unidentified flying objects." 1127 00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:10,278 - [Narrator] After two years of going back and forth 1128 00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:12,468 and Bergalia's threat of lawsuits, 1129 00:50:12,510 --> 00:50:15,438 the DIA admitted that it had documents 1130 00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:19,038 responsive to the request on recovered UFO debris 1131 00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:21,288 and its analysis, and a program 1132 00:50:21,330 --> 00:50:23,658 under which it was administered. 1133 00:50:23,700 --> 00:50:25,308 Included in the FOIA release 1134 00:50:25,350 --> 00:50:28,548 are reports about a variety of advanced materials. 1135 00:50:28,590 --> 00:50:31,934 The report speculated about how they may be created 1136 00:50:31,976 --> 00:50:34,278 and what they may be capable of. 1137 00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:37,848 One is a well-known alloy called nitinol. 1138 00:50:37,890 --> 00:50:42,018 It's a shape-able, memory-retaining titanium alloy. 1139 00:50:42,060 --> 00:50:47,058 Nitinol enjoys wide use today in a variety of applications, 1140 00:50:47,100 --> 00:50:50,508 but its capabilities bear similarity to the many accounts 1141 00:50:50,550 --> 00:50:54,048 about the so-called Roswell memory metal. 1142 00:50:54,090 --> 00:50:55,863 - Hey, is it from a crash? 1143 00:50:57,390 --> 00:50:58,458 - How do you know about that? 1144 00:50:58,500 --> 00:50:59,748 - We heard about it on the radio. 1145 00:50:59,790 --> 00:51:01,240 Everybody's talking about it. 1146 00:51:05,070 --> 00:51:05,903 - Abracadabra. 1147 00:51:09,026 --> 00:51:11,478 - How'd it do that? 1148 00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:13,308 - [Narrator] The origins of nitinol 1149 00:51:13,350 --> 00:51:15,078 help make a case for stories 1150 00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:17,058 of extraterrestrial technology 1151 00:51:17,100 --> 00:51:20,178 being recovered and delivered to science and industry. 1152 00:51:20,220 --> 00:51:22,038 It was supposedly invented 1153 00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:25,758 in a naval weapons research lab in 1959, 1154 00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,368 but its origins have been traced back even further 1155 00:51:28,410 --> 00:51:31,818 to a corporation called Battelle Memorial Institute. 1156 00:51:31,860 --> 00:51:33,641 Since the late 1940s, 1157 00:51:33,683 --> 00:51:37,458 Battelle maintained a contract to analyze metal samples 1158 00:51:37,500 --> 00:51:40,758 provided by Wright-Patterson Air Force Base. 1159 00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:45,683 Another is a class of materials called metallic glass. 1160 00:51:45,725 --> 00:51:49,128 (computer beeping) 1161 00:51:49,170 --> 00:51:50,943 - Transparent aluminum? 1162 00:51:52,020 --> 00:51:54,075 - That's the ticket, laddy. 1163 00:51:54,117 --> 00:51:55,488 - [Narrator] The material described 1164 00:51:55,530 --> 00:51:57,678 in the Star Trek film "Voyage Home" 1165 00:51:57,720 --> 00:52:01,398 in 1986 actually exists. 1166 00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:03,194 We find upon further research 1167 00:52:03,236 --> 00:52:06,858 that the original patents for this type of metallic glass 1168 00:52:06,900 --> 00:52:08,941 was initially applied for in 1981 1169 00:52:08,983 --> 00:52:12,318 by the Raytheon Corporation. 1170 00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:15,271 - These guys in Lockheed and TRW, 1171 00:52:15,313 --> 00:52:20,313 McDonald Douglas or Boeing, General Electric, Raytheon. 1172 00:52:24,270 --> 00:52:26,778 Look, there's no way they're gonna voluntarily 1173 00:52:26,820 --> 00:52:27,694 let this happen. 1174 00:52:27,736 --> 00:52:30,108 (tense music) 1175 00:52:30,150 --> 00:52:31,038 - [Narrator] There's more. 1176 00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:35,058 We now enter the stunning world of metamaterials. 1177 00:52:35,100 --> 00:52:36,858 In this recording from an interview 1178 00:52:36,900 --> 00:52:39,438 Lue Elizondo gave to the MUFON Journal, 1179 00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:43,608 he discusses the finer points of the materials claims. 1180 00:52:43,650 --> 00:52:47,478 - [Lue] So it was never about unidentified metal alloys, 1181 00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:49,578 any second-year metallurgist will tell you 1182 00:52:49,620 --> 00:52:52,128 elements are elements and we can figure it out. 1183 00:52:52,170 --> 00:52:56,418 What was actually discussed was certain metamaterials 1184 00:52:56,460 --> 00:53:01,460 in which their isotopic ratios at the molecular level 1185 00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:06,680 are so unique and so precise, based on the complexity, 1186 00:53:07,710 --> 00:53:11,928 that the origins of those materials remain unknown. 1187 00:53:11,970 --> 00:53:15,588 - If we do encounter extraterrestrial materials, 1188 00:53:15,630 --> 00:53:17,268 they would've isotopic ratios 1189 00:53:17,310 --> 00:53:19,008 that are not found on the Earth 1190 00:53:19,050 --> 00:53:21,498 because of their exposure to cosmic rays, 1191 00:53:21,540 --> 00:53:23,388 different kinds of manufacture. 1192 00:53:23,430 --> 00:53:25,128 They would differ from us. 1193 00:53:25,170 --> 00:53:28,488 And so that's one way to analyze the fact 1194 00:53:28,530 --> 00:53:31,188 that these are in fact extraterrestrial 1195 00:53:31,230 --> 00:53:33,455 because they have different isotopic ratios. 1196 00:53:33,497 --> 00:53:35,997 (tense music) 1197 00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:38,568 - [Narrator] There are more space age materials 1198 00:53:38,610 --> 00:53:39,978 described in the reports 1199 00:53:40,020 --> 00:53:43,128 that the Defense Intelligence Agency acknowledges. 1200 00:53:43,170 --> 00:53:45,918 One type may be used to slow down light 1201 00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:48,798 and even bring light to a complete standstill. 1202 00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:53,208 Another may induce invisibility by manipulating refraction, 1203 00:53:53,250 --> 00:53:56,598 reflectivity, and increasing light absorption. 1204 00:53:56,640 --> 00:54:00,048 - Metamaterials allow you to, in principle, 1205 00:54:00,090 --> 00:54:02,118 make objects invisible, 1206 00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:04,968 in principle allow you to stop light, 1207 00:54:05,010 --> 00:54:07,098 in principle allow you to magnify things 1208 00:54:07,140 --> 00:54:10,068 beyond what we can do with present-day technology. 1209 00:54:10,110 --> 00:54:12,858 We can do that in the microwave range. 1210 00:54:12,900 --> 00:54:16,578 We have not yet done it in the optical frequencies. 1211 00:54:16,620 --> 00:54:18,528 - [Narrator] Another has the interesting ability 1212 00:54:18,570 --> 00:54:21,228 to compress electromagnetic energy. 1213 00:54:21,270 --> 00:54:23,808 - Things that we would consider impossible 1214 00:54:23,850 --> 00:54:27,307 would become child's play if you have a technology 1215 00:54:27,349 --> 00:54:31,488 that is centuries more advanced than us. 1216 00:54:31,530 --> 00:54:32,838 - [Narrator] Still another exhibits 1217 00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:35,148 a particular tuneable resonance, 1218 00:54:35,190 --> 00:54:38,238 which was likely determined during fabrication. 1219 00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:41,418 - You see, if these objects come from a civilization 1220 00:54:41,460 --> 00:54:43,012 more advanced than ours, 1221 00:54:43,054 --> 00:54:48,054 they have mastered the art of manipulating individual atoms. 1222 00:54:48,510 --> 00:54:49,808 - [Narrator] The reports on these materials 1223 00:54:49,850 --> 00:54:51,978 have something in common. 1224 00:54:52,020 --> 00:54:54,469 They all talk about what the materials might do 1225 00:54:54,511 --> 00:54:57,078 and their possible uses. 1226 00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:59,508 This seems to be an indirect confirmation 1227 00:54:59,550 --> 00:55:03,473 that we didn't create them and we're not sure what they do. 1228 00:55:03,515 --> 00:55:05,718 (tense music) 1229 00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:09,558 - And they have to be analyzed on several levels. 1230 00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:12,438 First, they have to be analyzed spectroscopically 1231 00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:14,748 so we know what they're made of. 1232 00:55:14,790 --> 00:55:17,628 - So let's say that there is, 1233 00:55:17,670 --> 00:55:21,948 there are materials that some other civilization has created 1234 00:55:21,990 --> 00:55:25,248 and that they have atomic-grade printing 1235 00:55:25,290 --> 00:55:27,465 that we don't have today. 1236 00:55:27,507 --> 00:55:30,678 The only way to understand it is to de-assemble it 1237 00:55:30,720 --> 00:55:31,788 atom by atom. 1238 00:55:31,830 --> 00:55:32,928 - [Narrator] Dr. Garry Nolan 1239 00:55:32,970 --> 00:55:35,538 is a scientist at Stanford University. 1240 00:55:35,580 --> 00:55:37,758 He publicly stated that a new technique 1241 00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:40,818 for mass spectrometry that he developed 1242 00:55:40,860 --> 00:55:42,048 attracted the attention 1243 00:55:42,090 --> 00:55:45,078 of those in possession of UFO materials. 1244 00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:48,528 - Well there's one technology that's in my lab 1245 00:55:48,570 --> 00:55:50,968 called secondary ion mass spec, 1246 00:55:51,010 --> 00:55:53,388 and we developed a company around it, 1247 00:55:53,430 --> 00:55:56,208 and the technology for using it 1248 00:55:56,250 --> 00:56:00,408 to read biopsy material from patients, right? 1249 00:56:00,450 --> 00:56:03,978 And we had a way of labeling the biopsies 1250 00:56:04,020 --> 00:56:08,268 with metal tags delivered via antibodies, 1251 00:56:08,310 --> 00:56:10,368 and that would light up the tissue 1252 00:56:10,410 --> 00:56:12,978 in a way that would tell you something 1253 00:56:13,020 --> 00:56:14,538 about the distribution of those proteins 1254 00:56:14,580 --> 00:56:17,066 on and or in cancer cells and immune system cells. 1255 00:56:17,108 --> 00:56:19,158 And it's a very successful technology 1256 00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:20,028 that's worked very well. 1257 00:56:20,070 --> 00:56:24,351 It turns out that it was tuned to look at metals, 1258 00:56:24,393 --> 00:56:26,748 'cause we were using the metal tags. 1259 00:56:26,790 --> 00:56:30,912 And so, when in discussions with Jacques and others 1260 00:56:30,954 --> 00:56:33,858 that they said they had these pieces of metal, 1261 00:56:33,900 --> 00:56:34,788 I said, "Well, I have an instrument 1262 00:56:34,830 --> 00:56:38,268 that's perfectly tuned to look at metals, so let's do it." 1263 00:56:38,310 --> 00:56:40,098 - What that stuff consisted of 1264 00:56:40,140 --> 00:56:42,468 and why they think it's off planet 1265 00:56:42,510 --> 00:56:46,668 and what the testing showed about its, the possibility 1266 00:56:46,710 --> 00:56:49,488 that nothing like that could appear on Earth, 1267 00:56:49,530 --> 00:56:52,398 that's all stuff we were not able to get access to. 1268 00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:53,508 We don't know. 1269 00:56:53,550 --> 00:56:55,758 - [Narrator] Upon release of the FOIA request, 1270 00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:57,678 there was evidence of internal commotion 1271 00:56:57,720 --> 00:56:59,943 inside the DIA and the Pentagon. 1272 00:57:00,900 --> 00:57:01,998 - The powers that be. 1273 00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:03,241 I mean, there are such people, 1274 00:57:03,283 --> 00:57:05,358 I think they realized, all right, you just went, 1275 00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:06,495 you went actually as far as you could go, 1276 00:57:06,537 --> 00:57:08,238 and in fact you went a little too far. 1277 00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:09,888 We're gonna dial it back. 1278 00:57:09,930 --> 00:57:12,828 - [Narrator] Susan Gough, a Pentagon spokesperson, 1279 00:57:12,870 --> 00:57:14,358 said that although she was aware 1280 00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:16,218 of the social media chatter, 1281 00:57:16,260 --> 00:57:18,558 the information provided by the DIA 1282 00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:20,148 actually relates in some way 1283 00:57:20,190 --> 00:57:23,963 to an advanced weapons program and not UFO items. 1284 00:57:24,005 --> 00:57:25,998 - If you start with different assumptions 1285 00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:27,888 about how something might operate, 1286 00:57:27,930 --> 00:57:29,568 you can come up with things 1287 00:57:29,610 --> 00:57:33,734 that another equally advanced civilization, 1288 00:57:33,776 --> 00:57:36,738 America, let's say, or Western civilization, 1289 00:57:36,780 --> 00:57:39,062 doesn't understand how it works. 1290 00:57:39,104 --> 00:57:41,628 But that doesn't mean it came from ET. 1291 00:57:41,670 --> 00:57:44,598 But I suspect that Freedom of Information Act 1292 00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:46,662 is talking about something a little different. 1293 00:57:46,704 --> 00:57:49,248 (tense music) 1294 00:57:49,290 --> 00:57:51,959 - [Narrator] Some of the main players in the material story 1295 00:57:52,001 --> 00:57:53,658 were making new statements 1296 00:57:53,700 --> 00:57:57,078 that changed previously reported facts. 1297 00:57:57,120 --> 00:57:58,008 - Right, this is a counter, 1298 00:57:58,050 --> 00:57:59,621 this is "The Empire Strikes Back". 1299 00:57:59,663 --> 00:58:01,248 This is what we're seeing. 1300 00:58:01,290 --> 00:58:03,618 You're seeing the major Establishment, 1301 00:58:03,660 --> 00:58:05,778 which was on the back foot for over three years 1302 00:58:05,820 --> 00:58:08,868 because of the offensive of the UFO faction. 1303 00:58:08,910 --> 00:58:10,158 They were on retreat. 1304 00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:11,688 They've gathered their resources. 1305 00:58:11,730 --> 00:58:13,598 They're like, you know, we don't really want, 1306 00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:16,368 we can't go any farther than we've gone. 1307 00:58:16,410 --> 00:58:17,628 - Harry Reid walked it back 1308 00:58:17,670 --> 00:58:18,978 as far as with the New York Times 1309 00:58:19,020 --> 00:58:21,018 about Lockheed having artifacts. 1310 00:58:21,060 --> 00:58:23,793 And so they get these phone calls. 1311 00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:28,308 I mean, why else catch yourself after the fact 1312 00:58:28,350 --> 00:58:30,378 and go, "I should have never said that?" 1313 00:58:30,420 --> 00:58:31,770 And there's a pattern here. 1314 00:58:31,812 --> 00:58:36,812 It always pertains to physical evidence. 1315 00:58:37,410 --> 00:58:38,898 - In our New York Times story, 1316 00:58:38,940 --> 00:58:43,940 we said that a hangar was built to contain materials. 1317 00:58:47,850 --> 00:58:51,288 Okay, we didn't say that materials were obtained 1318 00:58:51,330 --> 00:58:52,518 and put in the hangar. 1319 00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:55,068 - You did an interview with Jesse Michaels. 1320 00:58:55,110 --> 00:58:58,098 In that interview, you laid out some of the materials. 1321 00:58:58,140 --> 00:58:58,931 - Mm-hmm. 1322 00:58:58,973 --> 00:59:00,910 - Very excitingly, we have parts. 1323 00:59:00,952 --> 00:59:04,108 Okay, the parts were a little anticlimactic and small, 1324 00:59:04,150 --> 00:59:06,648 but he claims to have much bigger parts 1325 00:59:06,690 --> 00:59:09,948 that we can't see due to national security sensitivities. 1326 00:59:09,990 --> 00:59:12,544 - But then, when you did the interview with Lex, 1327 00:59:12,586 --> 00:59:16,698 you said that you had materials just from Jacques Vallee, 1328 00:59:16,740 --> 00:59:18,318 which obviously wouldn't be classified, 1329 00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:21,138 and from TTSA, which wouldn't be classified. 1330 00:59:21,180 --> 00:59:23,508 - There's two classes of materials 1331 00:59:23,550 --> 00:59:25,968 that I've been given by people, 1332 00:59:26,010 --> 00:59:28,308 and they're not given by the government or anything. 1333 00:59:28,350 --> 00:59:30,468 - So have you studied classified materials, 1334 00:59:30,510 --> 00:59:31,698 but you just don't gave them? 1335 00:59:31,740 --> 00:59:33,138 - I just shouldn't say anything more. 1336 00:59:33,180 --> 00:59:34,428 - You shouldn't say anything about that? 1337 00:59:34,470 --> 00:59:35,418 Okay. All right. 1338 00:59:35,460 --> 00:59:36,251 - You can put that on there. 1339 00:59:36,293 --> 00:59:37,728 I just can't say anything more. 1340 00:59:37,770 --> 00:59:39,138 - Right, no, that's fine. 1341 00:59:39,180 --> 00:59:42,336 - Might have been an accidental truth moment. 1342 00:59:42,378 --> 00:59:44,878 (tense music) 1343 00:59:46,230 --> 00:59:48,948 - [Narrator] FOIA responses are based on reacting 1344 00:59:48,990 --> 00:59:51,318 to very specific wording. 1345 00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:53,628 The FOIA response from the DIA 1346 00:59:53,670 --> 00:59:56,988 specifically refers to recovered materials from UFOs 1347 00:59:57,030 --> 00:59:59,478 being studied at Bigelow Aerospace. 1348 00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:01,458 This is official confirmation 1349 01:00:01,500 --> 01:00:04,518 that these studies indeed occurred. 1350 01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:06,558 - Bigelow Aerospace is massive. 1351 01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:09,678 It's surrounded on most sides by these gigantic vacant lots. 1352 01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:12,108 It's surrounded by multiple layers of fencing, 1353 01:00:12,150 --> 01:00:14,588 including barbed wire, video surveillance, 1354 01:00:14,630 --> 01:00:17,508 24-hour security guards everywhere. 1355 01:00:17,550 --> 01:00:19,728 This place is a fortress. 1356 01:00:19,770 --> 01:00:22,368 - [Narrator] Multiple reports also seem to confirm 1357 01:00:22,410 --> 01:00:25,068 the presence of materials at the facility. 1358 01:00:25,110 --> 01:00:29,268 But after the release of the documents, the story changed. 1359 01:00:29,310 --> 01:00:31,248 - For years, one of the secret studies 1360 01:00:31,290 --> 01:00:34,308 was carried out by BASS, a Las Vegas operation 1361 01:00:34,350 --> 01:00:36,468 hidden within Bigelow Aerospace, 1362 01:00:36,510 --> 01:00:38,658 documents first reported by the I-Team 1363 01:00:38,700 --> 01:00:41,988 show that bass landed a contract with the DIA, 1364 01:00:42,030 --> 01:00:44,148 and one of the objectives was to study 1365 01:00:44,190 --> 01:00:46,068 so-called metamaterials. 1366 01:00:46,110 --> 01:00:48,378 Multiple sources have confirmed to us 1367 01:00:48,420 --> 01:00:51,738 there was a weird piece of something at the Bigelow plant. 1368 01:00:51,780 --> 01:00:52,758 New York Times reported 1369 01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:55,450 that you modified your facility here 1370 01:00:55,492 --> 01:00:59,958 in order to house some material from somewhere else. 1371 01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:01,050 Did you ever have it? 1372 01:01:02,583 --> 01:01:05,349 - We never had any. - Did you ever see any? 1373 01:01:05,391 --> 01:01:08,808 (interviewee stammering) 1374 01:01:09,749 --> 01:01:14,749 You know, do you see, do you see... 1375 01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:20,360 - It's the old "Raiders of the Lost Ark" warehouse scene. 1376 01:01:20,430 --> 01:01:22,188 We got our top people working on it, 1377 01:01:22,230 --> 01:01:23,021 Who are your top people? 1378 01:01:23,063 --> 01:01:24,258 Oh, they're top. 1379 01:01:24,300 --> 01:01:26,178 - [Narrator] In March of 2022, 1380 01:01:26,220 --> 01:01:28,338 the Defense Intelligence Agency 1381 01:01:28,380 --> 01:01:30,408 responded to another FOIA request 1382 01:01:30,450 --> 01:01:32,988 that demanded information about the work of AATIP 1383 01:01:33,030 --> 01:01:34,788 and its previous versions. 1384 01:01:34,830 --> 01:01:37,038 The result was 1,500 pages 1385 01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:39,798 that included 38 independent papers 1386 01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:42,080 about potential advanced technology. 1387 01:01:42,122 --> 01:01:44,718 The authors of some of these reports 1388 01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:46,368 are many of the same people 1389 01:01:46,410 --> 01:01:49,188 that have been involved in secret UFO programs 1390 01:01:49,230 --> 01:01:51,858 all the way back to the late 1960s. 1391 01:01:51,900 --> 01:01:53,958 These reports came in the form 1392 01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:57,048 of defense intelligence reference documents. 1393 01:01:57,090 --> 01:02:00,888 Some of the technologies that were explored include 1394 01:02:00,930 --> 01:02:02,898 advanced nuclear propulsion 1395 01:02:02,940 --> 01:02:05,343 for manned, deep space missions, 1396 01:02:06,390 --> 01:02:08,778 aneutronic fusion propulsion, 1397 01:02:08,820 --> 01:02:12,438 pulsed high-power microwave technology, 1398 01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:16,128 anti-gravity for aerospace applications. 1399 01:02:16,170 --> 01:02:19,518 - I think when talking about extraterrestrial civilizations, 1400 01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:22,022 we have to be open to the fact that their technology 1401 01:02:22,064 --> 01:02:26,169 is thousands of years more advanced than our technology. 1402 01:02:26,211 --> 01:02:29,868 But then the question is, is it possible that we, 1403 01:02:29,910 --> 01:02:32,091 that we humans, can also partake 1404 01:02:32,133 --> 01:02:35,478 of some of these advanced technologies? 1405 01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:37,638 - [Narrator] Space communication implications 1406 01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:41,298 of quantum entanglement and non locality, 1407 01:02:41,340 --> 01:02:45,078 high-frequency gravitational wave communications. 1408 01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:47,642 - I take two objects, 1409 01:02:47,684 --> 01:02:51,438 two particles that are quantumly entangled, 1410 01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:55,068 and if I do something to this one, this one responds. 1411 01:02:55,110 --> 01:02:57,633 And if you separate those two by a foot, 1412 01:02:58,500 --> 01:03:00,828 when I do something here, something happens here. 1413 01:03:00,870 --> 01:03:02,418 But something even more magical happens 1414 01:03:02,460 --> 01:03:03,978 that when I take these objects 1415 01:03:04,020 --> 01:03:05,328 and I put them one here 1416 01:03:05,370 --> 01:03:07,744 and one at the farthest end of the visible universe, 1417 01:03:07,786 --> 01:03:10,878 that direction, 13.5 billion light years, 1418 01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:12,438 and I take the other particle, 1419 01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:16,698 I put it in that direction, 13.5 billion light years away, 1420 01:03:16,740 --> 01:03:21,740 when I do this, this one responds instantaneously. 1421 01:03:22,290 --> 01:03:25,068 - [Narrator] Traversable wormhole, stargates, 1422 01:03:25,110 --> 01:03:26,838 and negative energy. 1423 01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:28,188 - Special relativity says 1424 01:03:28,230 --> 01:03:30,168 you cannot break the light barrier, 1425 01:03:30,210 --> 01:03:33,768 but special relativity has a loophole. 1426 01:03:33,810 --> 01:03:37,938 The loophole is general relativity, the theory of gravity, 1427 01:03:37,980 --> 01:03:41,538 whereby you can bend time and space into a pretzel 1428 01:03:41,580 --> 01:03:44,568 if you have enough matter and energy, 1429 01:03:44,610 --> 01:03:46,368 an energy which we won't have 1430 01:03:46,410 --> 01:03:50,058 perhaps for another 100,000 to a million years. 1431 01:03:50,100 --> 01:03:52,458 So it's not for us. 1432 01:03:52,500 --> 01:03:55,338 Perhaps for an extraterrestrial civilization, 1433 01:03:55,380 --> 01:03:57,378 but it's not for us. 1434 01:03:57,420 --> 01:03:59,778 - [Narrator] Warp drive, dark energy, 1435 01:03:59,820 --> 01:04:02,688 and the manipulation of extra dimensions. 1436 01:04:02,730 --> 01:04:05,508 - We have to be open to the possibility 1437 01:04:05,550 --> 01:04:08,899 that there are other dimensions and shortcuts, 1438 01:04:08,941 --> 01:04:13,098 perhaps shortcuts between different universes. 1439 01:04:13,140 --> 01:04:15,858 Now, of course, moving through these higher dimensions 1440 01:04:15,900 --> 01:04:18,438 would require a technology much more advanced 1441 01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:20,478 than anything we have. 1442 01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:22,428 - [Narrator] Concepts for extracting energy 1443 01:04:22,470 --> 01:04:24,558 from the quantum vacuum. 1444 01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:26,988 - You would have to be a very advanced civilization 1445 01:04:27,030 --> 01:04:30,738 to get net usable energy from nothing. 1446 01:04:30,780 --> 01:04:33,018 In other words, it's not for us. 1447 01:04:33,060 --> 01:04:36,063 That doesn't mean an advanced civilization can't do it. 1448 01:04:36,930 --> 01:04:37,968 - [Narrator] Quantum computing 1449 01:04:38,010 --> 01:04:42,828 and utilizing organic molecules in automation technology; 1450 01:04:42,870 --> 01:04:46,338 technological approaches to controlling external devices 1451 01:04:46,380 --> 01:04:49,308 in the absence of limb-operated interfaces. 1452 01:04:49,350 --> 01:04:51,708 - Our most advanced understanding of the brain 1453 01:04:51,750 --> 01:04:56,418 comes from BCI, brain computer interface. 1454 01:04:56,460 --> 01:04:59,931 We can take a chip, put it on the surface of the brain, 1455 01:04:59,973 --> 01:05:03,288 have that chip connected to a laptop computer 1456 01:05:03,330 --> 01:05:06,168 that then analyzes the impulses of the brain 1457 01:05:06,210 --> 01:05:10,878 and deciphers it, and then uses it to control something. 1458 01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:13,938 And so you can imagine what we can do today 1459 01:05:13,980 --> 01:05:17,448 and then extrapolate to the future. 1460 01:05:17,490 --> 01:05:20,898 - [Narrator] Aerospace applications of programmable matter. 1461 01:05:20,940 --> 01:05:24,918 - If you could design something atom by atom 1462 01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:27,273 and position things atom by atom, 1463 01:05:28,350 --> 01:05:30,738 then there's a lot more we could do 1464 01:05:30,780 --> 01:05:33,738 with material science than we can do today. 1465 01:05:33,780 --> 01:05:36,138 - [Narrator] Ultra capacitors as energy 1466 01:05:36,180 --> 01:05:38,808 and power storage devices; 1467 01:05:38,850 --> 01:05:41,928 role of superconductors in gravity research. 1468 01:05:41,970 --> 01:05:44,549 - Most of what we create today 1469 01:05:44,591 --> 01:05:49,591 in even the superconductor areas is basically recipes. 1470 01:05:50,940 --> 01:05:52,818 They're not designs. 1471 01:05:52,860 --> 01:05:54,318 - [Narrator] Many of these technologies 1472 01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:56,988 are beyond the realm of current science. 1473 01:05:57,030 --> 01:05:59,328 These technologies are discussed 1474 01:05:59,370 --> 01:06:03,228 as if someone knows that they are entirely possible, 1475 01:06:03,270 --> 01:06:06,468 even in some stage of successful development. 1476 01:06:06,510 --> 01:06:08,418 - I will tell you unequivocally, 1477 01:06:08,460 --> 01:06:11,298 if a man like Robert Bigelow were to ask you 1478 01:06:11,340 --> 01:06:13,788 to come on board to do something, 1479 01:06:13,830 --> 01:06:18,830 man, I would do it without a blink of an eye. 1480 01:06:19,560 --> 01:06:21,588 It would be almost reflexive 1481 01:06:21,630 --> 01:06:22,421 When did we start? 1482 01:06:22,463 --> 01:06:23,254 Let's go. 1483 01:06:23,296 --> 01:06:25,548 He's a good man, and he's also a patriot. 1484 01:06:25,590 --> 01:06:27,783 - Machinery really does exist. 1485 01:06:28,950 --> 01:06:30,063 Does exist. 1486 01:06:31,140 --> 01:06:36,140 The problem has been the inability to back engineer. 1487 01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:41,573 And I kind of think that some things 1488 01:06:42,690 --> 01:06:45,242 require a weightless environment. 1489 01:06:45,284 --> 01:06:47,784 (tense music) 1490 01:06:53,054 --> 01:06:54,678 (tense music) 1491 01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:56,418 - [Narrator] It is generally accepted 1492 01:06:56,460 --> 01:06:59,658 that the new narrative broke in late 2017. 1493 01:06:59,700 --> 01:07:01,638 It was actually Robert Bigelow 1494 01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:03,828 who made spellbinding revelations 1495 01:07:03,870 --> 01:07:06,408 before anybody knew that he was involved 1496 01:07:06,450 --> 01:07:09,150 in government contracts to study UFOs. 1497 01:07:09,990 --> 01:07:12,948 (eerie music) 1498 01:07:12,990 --> 01:07:14,732 - Do you believe in aliens? 1499 01:07:14,774 --> 01:07:17,422 - I am absolutely convinced. That's all there is to it. 1500 01:07:17,464 --> 01:07:20,838 - Do you also believe that UFOs have come to Earth? 1501 01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:22,733 - There has been, and is, an existing presence, 1502 01:07:22,775 --> 01:07:24,468 an ET presence. 1503 01:07:24,510 --> 01:07:26,028 - You have the interview that Robert Bigelow did 1504 01:07:26,070 --> 01:07:29,285 on "60 Minutes", really an amazing interview. 1505 01:07:29,327 --> 01:07:33,948 This is one of the most knowledgeable people on this planet, 1506 01:07:33,990 --> 01:07:36,408 in my view, on the subject of UFOs. 1507 01:07:36,450 --> 01:07:37,488 And he is also a billionaire, 1508 01:07:37,530 --> 01:07:39,348 and he's also got a lot of influence in this world. 1509 01:07:39,390 --> 01:07:41,988 And here he is saying aliens are real, 1510 01:07:42,030 --> 01:07:44,538 and indeed they're actually walking among us. 1511 01:07:44,580 --> 01:07:45,828 - [Narrator] His unshakeable statement 1512 01:07:45,870 --> 01:07:49,218 regarding the reality of an extraterrestrial presence 1513 01:07:49,260 --> 01:07:51,918 drew some media reaction. 1514 01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:54,498 Its significance did not become clear 1515 01:07:54,540 --> 01:07:57,078 until the story of Bigelow Aerospace 1516 01:07:57,120 --> 01:08:00,738 and its role in AATIP began to unfold. 1517 01:08:00,780 --> 01:08:02,898 - The New York Times came out with a couple of articles, 1518 01:08:02,940 --> 01:08:07,158 essentially downplaying any ET component of these sightings, 1519 01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:09,558 but also playing down the fact 1520 01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:11,148 that they may be Russian or Chinese 1521 01:08:11,190 --> 01:08:13,518 and also playing down the fact 1522 01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:18,175 that these are advanced U.S. classified prototypes. 1523 01:08:18,218 --> 01:08:20,417 Well, if they're gonna play all of those things down, 1524 01:08:20,460 --> 01:08:22,920 then I would ask, what gets played up? 1525 01:08:22,961 --> 01:08:25,428 Because there's nothing left. 1526 01:08:25,469 --> 01:08:27,258 - [Narrator] Confronted with the challenge of weaving 1527 01:08:27,300 --> 01:08:29,276 Robert Bigelow's informed beliefs 1528 01:08:29,318 --> 01:08:33,349 into the story Chris Mellon had revealed, Mellon said this. 1529 01:08:33,390 --> 01:08:36,167 - There aren't many people associated 1530 01:08:36,210 --> 01:08:39,315 with the Establishment who are so bold 1531 01:08:39,357 --> 01:08:42,633 and willing to make statements like that. 1532 01:08:43,528 --> 01:08:45,917 Many of the Navy pilots themselves 1533 01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:48,235 who've engaged these craft 1534 01:08:48,277 --> 01:08:51,108 go there because they can't conceive 1535 01:08:51,149 --> 01:08:53,298 of any other explanation, frankly. 1536 01:08:53,340 --> 01:08:54,378 - [Narrator] When Lue Elizondo 1537 01:08:54,420 --> 01:08:56,688 was asked about Bigelow's statements, 1538 01:08:56,729 --> 01:08:59,868 his response corroborated Bigelow's position. 1539 01:08:59,910 --> 01:09:02,958 - He has his own space stations in space. 1540 01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:04,068 People will say, what do you mean? 1541 01:09:04,110 --> 01:09:07,761 Yeah, he has his own right now in space. 1542 01:09:07,803 --> 01:09:10,358 I mean, I don't know who else has done that. 1543 01:09:10,399 --> 01:09:12,858 And, by the way, he's done it for a long time. 1544 01:09:12,899 --> 01:09:15,737 So give the guy some credit. 1545 01:09:15,780 --> 01:09:17,497 He knows what he's talking about. 1546 01:09:17,540 --> 01:09:19,667 (tense music) 1547 01:09:19,710 --> 01:09:23,628 - They have stated flatly they're not one of ours. 1548 01:09:23,670 --> 01:09:26,808 Then the question is, whose are they? 1549 01:09:26,850 --> 01:09:28,098 - [Narrator] All of the people involved 1550 01:09:28,139 --> 01:09:29,237 in the current narrative 1551 01:09:29,280 --> 01:09:31,157 are deliberately stopping short 1552 01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:33,167 of identifying the phenomenon 1553 01:09:33,210 --> 01:09:36,138 as originating from extraterrestrials. 1554 01:09:36,180 --> 01:09:40,608 - We have all these tales going back centuries, millennia 1555 01:09:40,649 --> 01:09:43,818 about visitations and strange beings. 1556 01:09:43,860 --> 01:09:48,438 Maybe it's a record of visits from alien civilizations. 1557 01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:50,478 You can't rule out the fact that, yeah, 1558 01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:52,667 maybe we have been visited in the past. 1559 01:09:52,710 --> 01:09:54,198 You can't rule it out. 1560 01:09:54,240 --> 01:09:58,309 - So you say, one by one, they're not natural phenomena, 1561 01:09:58,352 --> 01:10:02,028 they're not weather balloons, they're not U.S. technology, 1562 01:10:02,070 --> 01:10:04,260 they're not Russian, they're not Chinese, 1563 01:10:04,302 --> 01:10:05,987 they're not optical illusions, 1564 01:10:06,030 --> 01:10:07,608 they're not mental illness 1565 01:10:07,650 --> 01:10:09,918 on the part of the people who report them, 1566 01:10:09,960 --> 01:10:12,618 because these are our most highly-trained experts 1567 01:10:12,660 --> 01:10:13,848 who are reporting these things 1568 01:10:13,889 --> 01:10:16,878 and they've been caught on, as I said, navy instrumentation. 1569 01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:21,258 So what are you left with? Well, no one is going there. 1570 01:10:21,300 --> 01:10:24,018 - Our view is let's follow the trail wherever it leads, 1571 01:10:24,059 --> 01:10:26,612 let's get the data, the best evidence possible. 1572 01:10:27,540 --> 01:10:30,798 There's probably more than one phenomenon at work here. 1573 01:10:30,840 --> 01:10:35,478 - [Narrator] They refuse to say the A-word: alien. 1574 01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:37,128 Why? 1575 01:10:37,170 --> 01:10:40,473 - Assuming that these things are all of alien origin, 1576 01:10:42,570 --> 01:10:43,398 for a variety of reasons, 1577 01:10:43,440 --> 01:10:45,145 in part because people shut down 1578 01:10:45,187 --> 01:10:49,157 and it impedes our progress. 1579 01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:50,838 And some of the allies 1580 01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:52,626 and people that we need to bring to bear 1581 01:10:52,668 --> 01:10:57,025 who are now getting on board wouldn't do so 1582 01:10:57,067 --> 01:11:00,708 if we started with the premise that these are aliens. 1583 01:11:00,750 --> 01:11:03,138 - I think the word "alien" is a little... 1584 01:11:03,180 --> 01:11:05,397 People are afraid of the word "alien." 1585 01:11:06,480 --> 01:11:09,438 ET, extraterrestrial, non-humans. 1586 01:11:09,480 --> 01:11:11,751 - I'm always concerned about 1587 01:11:11,793 --> 01:11:16,000 getting ahead of our headlights, frankly, and talking, 1588 01:11:18,719 --> 01:11:20,058 leaping into conclusions. 1589 01:11:20,100 --> 01:11:22,532 - For me it's more of the thrill of the hunt. 1590 01:11:23,490 --> 01:11:26,088 It's trying to figure out the unknowns. 1591 01:11:26,130 --> 01:11:30,498 Because once they're known, they're no longer a mystery. 1592 01:11:30,540 --> 01:11:32,657 - What it is no one's admitted yet. 1593 01:11:32,700 --> 01:11:35,058 And you've got plenty of video evidence 1594 01:11:35,100 --> 01:11:37,788 of Lue and Chris not admitting it, 1595 01:11:37,830 --> 01:11:40,188 because they can't say it, 1596 01:11:40,230 --> 01:11:42,941 but they've said it in as many ways as you can. 1597 01:11:42,983 --> 01:11:45,678 Anybody bright enough to listen 1598 01:11:45,719 --> 01:11:49,449 will, as you say, understand the accidental truth. 1599 01:11:49,491 --> 01:11:51,991 (tense music) 1600 01:11:57,150 --> 01:11:59,718 - [Narrator] During the interview in 2018, 1601 01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:02,433 Lue Elizondo gave us an accidental truth. 1602 01:12:04,290 --> 01:12:05,931 - [Ron] You've spoken about some of the technologies 1603 01:12:05,973 --> 01:12:08,178 that are being studied as a spinoff 1604 01:12:08,219 --> 01:12:09,858 of the research you did at AATIP, 1605 01:12:09,900 --> 01:12:11,418 things like bending space-time 1606 01:12:11,460 --> 01:12:15,798 and Einstein-type possibilities that may unfold. 1607 01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:18,768 Is there an interdimensional element to any of this 1608 01:12:18,809 --> 01:12:21,393 that you guys maybe explored? 1609 01:12:22,469 --> 01:12:24,258 - Other dimensions may absolutely exist. 1610 01:12:24,300 --> 01:12:27,258 You look at string theory, look at M-theory. 1611 01:12:27,300 --> 01:12:29,388 Dimensions are all around us. 1612 01:12:29,430 --> 01:12:33,138 So I think you have to cast a wide net 1613 01:12:33,180 --> 01:12:34,638 when you're looking at this, 1614 01:12:34,680 --> 01:12:35,778 and that's why I've said before, 1615 01:12:35,820 --> 01:12:37,008 whether they're from outer space, 1616 01:12:37,050 --> 01:12:38,568 innerspace, or the space in between, 1617 01:12:38,610 --> 01:12:41,898 we just don't know, and we need to collect more data. 1618 01:12:41,940 --> 01:12:44,508 Is it possible? Absolutely it's possible. 1619 01:12:44,550 --> 01:12:47,048 Is it possible they're from the Pleiades? Sure. 1620 01:12:47,090 --> 01:12:49,998 Is it possible that they've been here all along 1621 01:12:50,040 --> 01:12:50,831 and they're from here, 1622 01:12:50,873 --> 01:12:53,868 they're just resonating at a different vibration? 1623 01:12:53,910 --> 01:12:54,743 Sure. 1624 01:12:56,190 --> 01:12:58,562 - [Ron] It seems like the only question that's answered 1625 01:12:58,603 --> 01:13:00,978 in the ones you just posed, 1626 01:13:01,020 --> 01:13:04,323 is that rather or not there is an actual they. 1627 01:13:05,610 --> 01:13:07,391 - That's a great question. 1628 01:13:07,433 --> 01:13:09,421 I don't know if I can answer that. 1629 01:13:09,463 --> 01:13:11,688 (tense music) 1630 01:13:11,730 --> 01:13:13,368 - [Narrator] Few seem willing to officially 1631 01:13:13,410 --> 01:13:15,018 pronounce the phenomenon 1632 01:13:15,059 --> 01:13:17,898 as originating from extraterrestrials. 1633 01:13:17,940 --> 01:13:19,998 There is a willingness to concede 1634 01:13:20,040 --> 01:13:23,327 that there might be extraterrestrial involvement. 1635 01:13:23,370 --> 01:13:25,638 - What's here is probably just an AI. 1636 01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:29,448 Why spend all your time on one little planet 1637 01:13:29,490 --> 01:13:32,088 out in the dust spec at the edge of the galaxy? 1638 01:13:32,130 --> 01:13:34,289 You send your robots. 1639 01:13:34,331 --> 01:13:37,728 - The question is, what's our definition of life? 1640 01:13:37,770 --> 01:13:41,268 I think life may exist, may exist, 1641 01:13:41,309 --> 01:13:45,588 and I'll caveat that, in all sorts of forms. 1642 01:13:45,630 --> 01:13:47,478 I don't think it's necessarily gonna be something 1643 01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:48,708 that we might recognize 1644 01:13:48,750 --> 01:13:51,982 or even initially even classify as life, 1645 01:13:52,023 --> 01:13:54,737 'cause we don't have a full understanding of it. 1646 01:13:54,780 --> 01:13:56,598 - [Narrator] There is a growing consensus 1647 01:13:56,639 --> 01:13:58,728 that the extraterrestrial hypothesis 1648 01:13:58,771 --> 01:14:01,608 doesn't answer all of the questions. 1649 01:14:01,650 --> 01:14:03,948 There are multiple phenomena at work 1650 01:14:03,990 --> 01:14:06,018 that cannot be explained completely 1651 01:14:06,059 --> 01:14:08,237 without looking at other possibilities. 1652 01:14:08,280 --> 01:14:09,318 - It may be there's a whole range 1653 01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:11,388 of different phenomena at play here. 1654 01:14:11,430 --> 01:14:13,728 In fact, I think given the differences 1655 01:14:13,770 --> 01:14:18,348 in what's been reported by people, that's quite likely, 1656 01:14:18,389 --> 01:14:22,021 that there are many different parallel strands to this. 1657 01:14:22,063 --> 01:14:25,847 But whatever is involved, and as I say, I don't know, 1658 01:14:25,889 --> 01:14:30,378 I think it does raise important defense, 1659 01:14:30,420 --> 01:14:32,118 national security and air safety issues. 1660 01:14:32,160 --> 01:14:34,998 - An ET hypothesis, for instance, 1661 01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:37,128 is a logical starting point, 1662 01:14:37,170 --> 01:14:39,258 if not from here, from where, 1663 01:14:39,300 --> 01:14:43,128 until you start talking about, well, what do you mean where? 1664 01:14:43,170 --> 01:14:45,798 - We think that an object is solid 1665 01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:48,858 and can only be one place at the same time. 1666 01:14:48,900 --> 01:14:50,058 But in quantum mechanics, 1667 01:14:50,100 --> 01:14:53,148 electrons can be two places at the same time. 1668 01:14:53,190 --> 01:14:55,098 In fact, they can be many places. 1669 01:14:55,139 --> 01:14:57,733 And this is called the multiverse idea, 1670 01:14:57,775 --> 01:15:02,775 the idea that we exist with other universes simultaneously. 1671 01:15:02,820 --> 01:15:04,038 - Well, wait a minute. 1672 01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:07,608 We're talking about multidimensional realities. 1673 01:15:07,650 --> 01:15:09,378 - It doesn't really matter how far you go 1674 01:15:09,420 --> 01:15:11,898 at a three-dimensional space and distance, 1675 01:15:11,940 --> 01:15:13,458 that there are shortcuts, 1676 01:15:13,500 --> 01:15:18,500 and those shortcuts exist as part of the natural universe. 1677 01:15:18,780 --> 01:15:20,088 So that is a real-world example 1678 01:15:20,130 --> 01:15:24,258 where we know other dimensions may absolutely exist. 1679 01:15:24,300 --> 01:15:28,038 - Whether it's extraterrestrial or interdimensional 1680 01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:30,288 to me is irrelevant, 1681 01:15:30,330 --> 01:15:33,827 because whatever it is clearly has the ability 1682 01:15:33,870 --> 01:15:36,618 to manipulate dimensionality. 1683 01:15:36,660 --> 01:15:41,073 These things can jump in and out, appear, disappear. 1684 01:15:42,030 --> 01:15:44,809 And so, for all intents and purposes, it's both. 1685 01:15:44,851 --> 01:15:46,248 (tense music) 1686 01:15:46,290 --> 01:15:48,228 - [Narrator] In August of 2022, 1687 01:15:48,270 --> 01:15:50,178 Dr. Hal Puthoff released a paper 1688 01:15:50,219 --> 01:15:51,976 in which he explored other options 1689 01:15:52,018 --> 01:15:53,778 for what may be at work. 1690 01:15:53,820 --> 01:15:57,978 He presented concepts such as ultra-terrestrial beings, 1691 01:15:58,020 --> 01:16:01,068 the concept that there could be another intelligent race 1692 01:16:01,110 --> 01:16:04,608 living with us, inside the Earth, or underwater, 1693 01:16:04,650 --> 01:16:07,002 a civilization with advanced technology 1694 01:16:07,044 --> 01:16:10,518 that has been here long before us. 1695 01:16:10,559 --> 01:16:12,198 Time travelers. 1696 01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:14,718 While mainstream science debates the feasibility 1697 01:16:14,760 --> 01:16:18,528 of time travel, it still remains a possibility. 1698 01:16:18,570 --> 01:16:22,157 - Some people say that the aliens don't come from Mars, 1699 01:16:22,200 --> 01:16:24,168 they don't come from a distant star, 1700 01:16:24,210 --> 01:16:26,748 they come from a different time. 1701 01:16:26,790 --> 01:16:29,088 Well, I'm open to all sorts of ideas 1702 01:16:29,130 --> 01:16:31,278 as long as they are testable. 1703 01:16:31,320 --> 01:16:36,320 - Our notion of time and space is flawed seriously. 1704 01:16:36,900 --> 01:16:38,628 And you're entering issues 1705 01:16:38,670 --> 01:16:42,168 where there is no time and there is no space. 1706 01:16:42,210 --> 01:16:44,598 - You've got manmade craft, 1707 01:16:44,639 --> 01:16:47,628 you've got possible extraterrestrial, 1708 01:16:47,670 --> 01:16:49,248 you've got interdimensional, 1709 01:16:49,290 --> 01:16:53,107 you've got a preexisting, high-tech civilization 1710 01:16:53,148 --> 01:16:55,638 that could have been on this planet for thousands of years. 1711 01:16:55,680 --> 01:16:57,228 And when you wrap this all together, 1712 01:16:57,270 --> 01:16:58,728 you can see how confusing it is, 1713 01:16:58,770 --> 01:17:00,663 because a lot of these things merge. 1714 01:17:00,705 --> 01:17:02,688 (tense music) 1715 01:17:02,730 --> 01:17:05,448 - [Narrator] Some of the phenomena seem to point 1716 01:17:05,490 --> 01:17:09,348 to a direct interaction with consciousness. 1717 01:17:09,389 --> 01:17:13,458 - Consciousness is interacting in all aspects of it. 1718 01:17:13,500 --> 01:17:18,198 And to take it a step farther, going to Max Planck, 1719 01:17:18,240 --> 01:17:20,495 suggests that maybe the physical 1720 01:17:20,537 --> 01:17:23,823 evolved from consciousness 1721 01:17:23,865 --> 01:17:26,217 as opposed to the other way around. 1722 01:17:26,259 --> 01:17:28,759 (tense music) 1723 01:17:31,837 --> 01:17:33,438 (soft piano music) 1724 01:17:33,480 --> 01:17:36,018 - [Narrator] As part of developing new understandings, 1725 01:17:36,059 --> 01:17:39,768 it's hard to ignore the so-called "experiencer" phenomenon. 1726 01:17:39,809 --> 01:17:42,498 A significant percentage of the population 1727 01:17:42,540 --> 01:17:45,827 report having encounters with non-human beings. 1728 01:17:45,870 --> 01:17:49,818 These encounters range from enlightening to terrifying. 1729 01:17:49,860 --> 01:17:52,577 - Many, many, many people 1730 01:17:52,620 --> 01:17:55,338 have had some very strange experiences, 1731 01:17:55,380 --> 01:17:57,168 either seeing UFOs, 1732 01:17:57,210 --> 01:18:00,318 and not just at night while they were dreaming. 1733 01:18:00,360 --> 01:18:02,775 These are not nightmares. 1734 01:18:02,817 --> 01:18:06,018 These are often described as more real 1735 01:18:06,059 --> 01:18:07,998 than everyday reality. 1736 01:18:08,040 --> 01:18:10,728 The people who describe it, and the people are solid, 1737 01:18:10,770 --> 01:18:12,708 they come from all walks of life. 1738 01:18:12,750 --> 01:18:14,237 - [Narrator] Ralph Blumenthal wrote a book 1739 01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:17,088 about the late Harvard psychologist John Mack 1740 01:18:17,130 --> 01:18:18,288 called "The Believer." 1741 01:18:18,330 --> 01:18:20,657 Mack was one of the first members of academia 1742 01:18:20,700 --> 01:18:24,198 to acknowledge the validity of the experiencer phenomenon. 1743 01:18:24,240 --> 01:18:26,538 - John Mack investigated these stories 1744 01:18:26,580 --> 01:18:28,938 of people who said that this and this happened to them. 1745 01:18:28,980 --> 01:18:31,487 And at least Mack, as a psychiatrist, 1746 01:18:31,530 --> 01:18:35,284 was able to evaluate their stories, 1747 01:18:35,326 --> 01:18:38,628 couldn't prove that this happened or didn't happen, 1748 01:18:38,670 --> 01:18:41,148 but at least could say that these people 1749 01:18:41,190 --> 01:18:44,189 were solid people and were not mentally ill. 1750 01:18:44,231 --> 01:18:45,798 (tense music) 1751 01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:49,458 - We interface with whatever this is. 1752 01:18:49,500 --> 01:18:51,708 Contactees, abductees, 1753 01:18:51,750 --> 01:18:55,608 I think we can create some of the phenomenon itself. 1754 01:18:55,650 --> 01:18:58,668 - So I do believe that there are certain individuals 1755 01:18:58,710 --> 01:19:02,058 on this planet who are more in tune, 1756 01:19:02,100 --> 01:19:04,968 are more intuitive, are more in touch 1757 01:19:05,010 --> 01:19:08,538 with the unseen world than the seen world. 1758 01:19:08,580 --> 01:19:11,298 - Some of us are able to pierce the veil 1759 01:19:11,340 --> 01:19:14,669 and connect with whatever's going on out there. 1760 01:19:14,710 --> 01:19:16,818 (soft music) 1761 01:19:16,860 --> 01:19:19,668 - [Narrator] Stunning new research by Dr. Garry Nolan 1762 01:19:19,710 --> 01:19:21,862 has revealed a trait in the human brain 1763 01:19:21,904 --> 01:19:25,398 that may make some people more prone to abilities, 1764 01:19:25,440 --> 01:19:28,848 such as heightened intuition, psychic abilities, 1765 01:19:28,889 --> 01:19:31,487 and possibly an ability to communicate 1766 01:19:31,530 --> 01:19:35,178 in undeveloped manners such as telepathy. 1767 01:19:35,219 --> 01:19:39,378 - We have the MRIs of claimed remote viewers, 1768 01:19:39,420 --> 01:19:42,228 high-end remote viewers, 1769 01:19:42,270 --> 01:19:46,848 and this area of their brain lit up like a Christmas tree. 1770 01:19:46,889 --> 01:19:48,188 - [Narrator] The condition has been observed 1771 01:19:48,230 --> 01:19:50,580 in so-called experiencers. 1772 01:19:50,621 --> 01:19:54,108 Nolan has detected increased activity and development 1773 01:19:54,150 --> 01:19:57,108 in a region of the brain called the basal ganglia. 1774 01:19:57,150 --> 01:19:58,740 - The thing that got me really intrigued 1775 01:19:58,782 --> 01:20:03,782 was that we did have MRIs from experiencers, 1776 01:20:04,290 --> 01:20:06,288 but these were high-functioning individuals 1777 01:20:06,330 --> 01:20:08,237 that we happened to notice 1778 01:20:08,280 --> 01:20:13,278 that an area of their brain had a density in it 1779 01:20:13,320 --> 01:20:14,718 that we first thought was damaged, 1780 01:20:14,760 --> 01:20:16,368 'cause we were studying damage at the moment, 1781 01:20:16,410 --> 01:20:18,588 but then we realized, oh, this is not damaged, 1782 01:20:18,630 --> 01:20:20,118 this is living tissue. 1783 01:20:20,160 --> 01:20:23,058 And that became sort of a side discovery. 1784 01:20:23,100 --> 01:20:25,188 You're left then with, frankly, 1785 01:20:25,230 --> 01:20:29,237 what was an even less uniform group of individuals 1786 01:20:29,280 --> 01:20:33,048 with such varied interactions, 1787 01:20:33,090 --> 01:20:34,815 things that were talking to them, 1788 01:20:34,857 --> 01:20:37,098 things that they had gotten close to 1789 01:20:37,139 --> 01:20:38,838 and had been damaged and harmed. 1790 01:20:38,880 --> 01:20:41,598 There were a couple of people in that group who were harmed, 1791 01:20:41,639 --> 01:20:43,865 but of the remaining individuals, 1792 01:20:43,907 --> 01:20:47,448 I would say that the majority of them were not harmed. 1793 01:20:47,490 --> 01:20:49,305 This area of the brain 1794 01:20:49,347 --> 01:20:52,296 that we came to the conclusion at the time 1795 01:20:52,338 --> 01:20:54,378 was probably involved in intuition 1796 01:20:54,420 --> 01:20:56,778 when we actually looked into it 1797 01:20:56,820 --> 01:20:58,956 and then looked into the literature, believe it or not, 1798 01:20:58,998 --> 01:21:00,618 people were finding that it had 1799 01:21:00,660 --> 01:21:02,928 something to do with intuition, 1800 01:21:02,969 --> 01:21:05,719 and that's the basal ganglia. 1801 01:21:05,761 --> 01:21:08,795 This area, the caudoputamen, which is, 1802 01:21:08,837 --> 01:21:10,998 by many neurophysiologists, 1803 01:21:11,040 --> 01:21:12,648 called the brain within the brain. 1804 01:21:12,690 --> 01:21:14,748 - [Narrator] What Dr. Nolan has discovered 1805 01:21:14,790 --> 01:21:17,838 may represent a leap in human evolution 1806 01:21:17,880 --> 01:21:21,318 or even a new variation of homosapien. 1807 01:21:21,360 --> 01:21:24,612 - You have to ask the question, 1808 01:21:24,655 --> 01:21:28,090 what kind of information is being perceived 1809 01:21:28,980 --> 01:21:32,641 and how is it being translated into, let's say, 1810 01:21:32,683 --> 01:21:35,523 traditional neurophysiologic pathways? 1811 01:21:36,719 --> 01:21:39,978 We don't understand space-time 1812 01:21:40,020 --> 01:21:42,468 the way we'd like to pretend we do. 1813 01:21:42,510 --> 01:21:46,248 And so, who's to say that there is not 1814 01:21:46,290 --> 01:21:48,858 some kind of information transfer 1815 01:21:48,900 --> 01:21:51,737 that we just don't necessarily yet appreciate 1816 01:21:51,780 --> 01:21:54,573 but evolution has found a way to latch onto. 1817 01:22:01,559 --> 01:22:04,428 - [Narrator] The people that we've met since 2017 1818 01:22:04,469 --> 01:22:06,228 seem to have some genuine interest 1819 01:22:06,270 --> 01:22:10,157 in helping to make humanity more aware of these realities. 1820 01:22:10,200 --> 01:22:14,058 Chris Mellon continues to work quietly behind the scenes 1821 01:22:14,100 --> 01:22:17,298 to bring about an effective means of disclosure. 1822 01:22:17,340 --> 01:22:19,501 - Very much changing within the government, 1823 01:22:19,543 --> 01:22:23,237 on the Hill and the executive branch both. 1824 01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:25,758 As well, as you can see with the media lately, 1825 01:22:25,800 --> 01:22:27,978 it's becoming respectable and legitimate, 1826 01:22:28,020 --> 01:22:31,237 and that's so crucial to engaging more minds and more energy 1827 01:22:31,279 --> 01:22:33,528 and more resources to getting to the bottom of this. 1828 01:22:33,570 --> 01:22:34,758 - [Narrator] Lue Elizondo seems 1829 01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:36,528 to have put everything on the line 1830 01:22:36,570 --> 01:22:37,848 since going public. 1831 01:22:37,889 --> 01:22:39,558 - So if there's an issue where the government 1832 01:22:39,600 --> 01:22:41,148 is doing something we don't want to, 1833 01:22:41,190 --> 01:22:43,679 then it's up to us as a people to change that. 1834 01:22:43,721 --> 01:22:46,758 But it doesn't have to be an adversarial relationship. 1835 01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:48,048 I think where we go wrong 1836 01:22:48,090 --> 01:22:49,758 is that people oftentimes look at the government, 1837 01:22:49,800 --> 01:22:52,218 they say, oh, the government's bad, the government's bad. 1838 01:22:52,260 --> 01:22:54,198 - [Narrator] His role in AATIP has been challenged 1839 01:22:54,240 --> 01:22:56,327 by the Defense Intelligence Agency. 1840 01:22:56,370 --> 01:22:59,028 Lue fought back by hiring one of the most effective 1841 01:22:59,070 --> 01:23:00,827 and well-known civil rights attorneys 1842 01:23:00,870 --> 01:23:02,868 in the field, Danny Sheehan. 1843 01:23:02,910 --> 01:23:07,910 - I was contacted by Lue Elizondo and asked to represent him 1844 01:23:08,430 --> 01:23:12,030 because he was upset about the fact that the Pentagon, 1845 01:23:12,072 --> 01:23:15,108 even after the publication of this 1846 01:23:15,150 --> 01:23:18,558 on December 16th and 17th of 2017, 1847 01:23:18,600 --> 01:23:21,438 there were officials inside the Pentagon 1848 01:23:21,480 --> 01:23:24,288 issuing completely false statements still, 1849 01:23:24,330 --> 01:23:26,058 saying, yeah, there's no such thing 1850 01:23:26,100 --> 01:23:29,628 as the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program. 1851 01:23:29,670 --> 01:23:32,148 - [Narrator] Together, they approached the Inspector General 1852 01:23:32,190 --> 01:23:34,098 of the Defense Intelligence Agency 1853 01:23:34,139 --> 01:23:35,958 to reverse the Pentagon's failure 1854 01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:38,568 to acknowledge Elizondo's position. 1855 01:23:38,610 --> 01:23:41,237 - When Elizondo started talking 1856 01:23:41,280 --> 01:23:43,458 about this phenomenon publicly, 1857 01:23:43,500 --> 01:23:44,628 you can see the Pentagon 1858 01:23:44,670 --> 01:23:47,808 had tremendous pushback against him. 1859 01:23:47,850 --> 01:23:49,008 They lied. 1860 01:23:49,050 --> 01:23:51,138 They said no, he didn't run such a program. 1861 01:23:51,180 --> 01:23:52,157 That was a lie. 1862 01:23:52,200 --> 01:23:55,668 They said AATIP had nothing to do with UFOs. That was a lie. 1863 01:23:55,710 --> 01:23:57,284 - We're, at the same time, 1864 01:23:57,326 --> 01:23:59,868 trying to determine what Lue can say, 1865 01:23:59,910 --> 01:24:03,168 in light of his security clearances, publicly. 1866 01:24:03,210 --> 01:24:07,788 - Not long ago, Elizondo supposedly said to his attorney 1867 01:24:07,830 --> 01:24:09,978 that he had seen a flying saucer in a hangar. 1868 01:24:10,020 --> 01:24:15,020 That gets out, and the stuff hits the fan. 1869 01:24:15,120 --> 01:24:17,928 And Lue had to walk that back too. 1870 01:24:17,969 --> 01:24:18,761 What did he do? 1871 01:24:18,803 --> 01:24:21,438 He said, "Well, I went to a hangar 1872 01:24:21,480 --> 01:24:24,618 that was designed to accommodate exotic materials, 1873 01:24:24,660 --> 01:24:25,728 but I didn't see anything there. 1874 01:24:25,770 --> 01:24:27,702 I never saw any intact craft." 1875 01:24:27,744 --> 01:24:31,248 He was very lawyerly in how he said what he did, 1876 01:24:31,290 --> 01:24:32,688 'cause he had to. 1877 01:24:32,730 --> 01:24:35,358 - I guess I'm just genetically predisposed 1878 01:24:35,400 --> 01:24:36,798 to not trusting government. 1879 01:24:36,840 --> 01:24:40,532 And seeing it now, too, it's a joke, it really is. 1880 01:24:42,672 --> 01:24:45,827 - [Narrator] MUFON, the Mutual UFO Network, 1881 01:24:45,870 --> 01:24:49,848 is the largest and oldest UFO organization in the world. 1882 01:24:49,889 --> 01:24:53,433 After over 50 years, MUFON is stronger than ever. 1883 01:24:54,540 --> 01:24:57,258 - I'm Ron James. It's March 11th, 2022. 1884 01:24:57,300 --> 01:24:58,728 I'm here in front of the White House. 1885 01:24:58,770 --> 01:25:01,308 It's been a historic week for the UFO community 1886 01:25:01,350 --> 01:25:03,476 and for MUFON the Mutual UFO Network. 1887 01:25:03,518 --> 01:25:06,378 We have actually been taking meetings all week long 1888 01:25:06,420 --> 01:25:07,907 with key members and staff 1889 01:25:07,950 --> 01:25:09,915 of the House and Senate Intelligence Committees 1890 01:25:09,957 --> 01:25:12,407 regarding the UAP phenomenon. 1891 01:25:12,450 --> 01:25:15,000 - We've been here for three days now, four days, 1892 01:25:15,041 --> 01:25:18,397 and have met with about 10 different officials, 1893 01:25:18,439 --> 01:25:23,439 congressmen, representatives, staff, and senators. 1894 01:25:24,420 --> 01:25:27,588 And we've really had a tremendous welcome. 1895 01:25:27,630 --> 01:25:30,737 - [Narrator] Thousands of people over 100 years or more 1896 01:25:30,780 --> 01:25:34,577 have challenged the official deception around the UFO topic. 1897 01:25:34,620 --> 01:25:37,248 They have been ridiculed and debunked. 1898 01:25:37,290 --> 01:25:39,827 Today, they are beginning to be vindicated 1899 01:25:39,870 --> 01:25:42,258 but still have not accomplished their goal, 1900 01:25:42,300 --> 01:25:45,407 a total end to the UFO coverup. 1901 01:25:45,450 --> 01:25:48,588 - There's no way to inform the American people writ large, 1902 01:25:48,630 --> 01:25:52,008 all 500 million of us, and ensure that information's 1903 01:25:52,050 --> 01:25:54,258 not gonna get into the hands of a foreign adversary. 1904 01:25:54,300 --> 01:25:57,858 - Maybe it's that there are some elements of the technology 1905 01:25:57,900 --> 01:26:00,138 that has to be kept under wraps 1906 01:26:00,180 --> 01:26:03,438 or kept to a limited number of people, 1907 01:26:03,480 --> 01:26:07,278 because if you cross the wires, bad things happen. 1908 01:26:07,320 --> 01:26:10,878 - This is a version of disclosure, 1909 01:26:10,920 --> 01:26:12,708 but is it gonna be the real truth? 1910 01:26:12,750 --> 01:26:15,378 And I mean, I don't care about anything 1911 01:26:15,420 --> 01:26:16,758 except what the actual truth is. 1912 01:26:16,800 --> 01:26:18,498 So we'll see if they can get there. 1913 01:26:18,540 --> 01:26:21,648 - They could say, for example, down the road, 1914 01:26:21,690 --> 01:26:22,487 well, actually, yeah, 1915 01:26:22,530 --> 01:26:26,778 we have had a few reports down the road over the years, 1916 01:26:26,820 --> 01:26:28,848 but we kept it quiet, because honestly, 1917 01:26:28,889 --> 01:26:31,218 we needed to avoid public panic. 1918 01:26:31,260 --> 01:26:32,448 They'll say that. 1919 01:26:32,490 --> 01:26:34,128 - At a societal level, 1920 01:26:34,170 --> 01:26:36,701 I believe that we are completely ready 1921 01:26:36,743 --> 01:26:40,050 to incorporate this new reality. 1922 01:26:40,093 --> 01:26:45,093 And if the president were to go on the evening news today 1923 01:26:46,350 --> 01:26:48,138 and say, "My fellow Americans, 1924 01:26:48,180 --> 01:26:49,848 people of the world, we're not alone," 1925 01:26:49,889 --> 01:26:53,843 I think the reaction would be sort of twofold. 1926 01:26:53,885 --> 01:26:56,898 Obviously there would be huge interest in it, 1927 01:26:56,940 --> 01:27:00,138 but actually there wouldn't be panic in the streets. 1928 01:27:00,180 --> 01:27:03,918 - So to be part of that journey 1929 01:27:03,960 --> 01:27:08,568 to uncover and to show links to this advanced civilization, 1930 01:27:08,610 --> 01:27:12,498 that would be a great honor, because as a scientist, 1931 01:27:12,540 --> 01:27:14,565 you go where the data takes you, 1932 01:27:14,607 --> 01:27:16,458 and sometimes the data takes you 1933 01:27:16,500 --> 01:27:18,225 to places that are uncomfortable, 1934 01:27:18,267 --> 01:27:21,258 but hey, that's the way the cookie crumbles. 1935 01:27:21,300 --> 01:27:23,418 - Yeah, I just, I'm gonna get hit on it. 1936 01:27:23,460 --> 01:27:24,385 They've told me, they said, 1937 01:27:24,427 --> 01:27:26,448 "Man, Merchant, you need to cool this stuff out, 1938 01:27:26,490 --> 01:27:28,878 'cause it's hurt gonna hurt us at the polls." 1939 01:27:28,920 --> 01:27:32,386 But we'll see. 1940 01:27:32,428 --> 01:27:34,698 (tense music) 1941 01:27:34,740 --> 01:27:36,588 - [Narrator] We've shown that even today 1942 01:27:36,630 --> 01:27:37,878 there is a narrative at work 1943 01:27:37,920 --> 01:27:40,907 that has been created to manipulate public perception 1944 01:27:40,950 --> 01:27:42,768 about the UFO topic. 1945 01:27:42,809 --> 01:27:45,468 We are not alone in the universe. 1946 01:27:45,510 --> 01:27:46,848 There are those who have struggled 1947 01:27:46,889 --> 01:27:49,068 to keep this truth a secret, 1948 01:27:49,110 --> 01:27:52,668 but the proof of the deception serves its own purpose 1949 01:27:52,710 --> 01:27:55,368 and tells us much more than ever before. 1950 01:27:55,410 --> 01:27:58,157 - I have good news and I have bad news. 1951 01:27:58,200 --> 01:27:59,838 The good news is the government's 1952 01:27:59,880 --> 01:28:01,878 been telling you the truth. 1953 01:28:01,920 --> 01:28:05,538 The bad news is the government's been telling you the truth. 1954 01:28:05,580 --> 01:28:06,588 - I mean, just look at Roswell. 1955 01:28:06,630 --> 01:28:08,538 There are no 509th Bomb Group members left. 1956 01:28:08,580 --> 01:28:09,648 They're all dead. 1957 01:28:09,690 --> 01:28:13,278 So according to the government, it's coverup complete. 1958 01:28:13,320 --> 01:28:16,008 - All right, then what did I see out there in that field? 1959 01:28:16,050 --> 01:28:16,893 - Oh, that. 1960 01:28:19,680 --> 01:28:21,725 Why, that was a weather balloon. 1961 01:28:21,767 --> 01:28:24,267 (tense music) 1962 01:28:25,200 --> 01:28:28,782 (curious electronic music) 1963 01:28:39,362 --> 01:28:43,779 (curious electronic music continues) 1964 01:28:53,184 --> 01:28:57,601 (curious electronic music continues) 147304

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