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I've been pretty frightened
at times in my life.
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That time was pretty close to the top.
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You get pushed into a corner.
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You don't have anywhere to go
but to come out swingin'.
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And so that's why I made
the decisions I made.
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After everything that happened
to me at Three Mile Island,
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I was convinced
that plant had the potential
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to cause another accident scenario
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that would not only
destroy the nuclear industry
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but could destroy people.
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Millions of lives were at stake.
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I live in East Texas.
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I grew up in the state of Missouri
during the Vietnam era.
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Like all young guys in those days,
I knew I wasn't gonna survive the draft.
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And sure enough, one night,
my wife was sitting at the table,
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and I could tell she had been cryin',
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and she handed me my draft notice.
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So I went down
the very first thing the next morning
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to the local Navy recruiter,
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but the only thing they had available
was a naval nuclear power program.
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It was a six-year enlistment.
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So, I took it.
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Your next six months will be
at a Navy nuclear prototype facility.
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When I first got to nuke school,
there was a sign that said,
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"Men that pass through here
are about to receive a $50,000 education."
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And one of my classmates
climbed up there one night and wrote,
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"Shoved up your butt a nickel at a time."
You know?
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You went through everything
from all the chemistry,
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the metallurgical aspects of reactors,
reactor physics, pump theory,
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electrical theory, you name it.
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And I was one of the few
non-degree'd guys.
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So, yeah, I had to bust my butt.
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And both my sons were born
when I was in the Navy.
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And they wouldn't
let me go home to see 'em.
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But everyone aboard the ship
has a responsibility
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in the area of safety.
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In the Navy, I discovered
a love that I never knew existed before
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because nuclear power was just it for me.
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But I'd never had anybody
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place such a high expectation
on performance on me
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like the admiral did.
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This is the reactor of the Navy's
first nuclear-powered submarine,
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the Nautilus.
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Admiral Rickover is considered
the father of the nuclear navy.
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He created a reactor in a submarine
that would make a submarine,
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a true submarine, never have to surface.
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I would charge Hell with a bucket of sand
if that man was leading me
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because he made
the nuclear submarine world safe.
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Now this is made just as safe
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as the plants
in the Atomic Energy Commission.
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And the admiral gave me
a professional code that is unrivaled.
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"Be responsible." That was his philosophy.
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Every decision you made
had to be responsible.
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The accident at Pennsylvania's
Three Mile Island nuclear plant
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shocked the nation,
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which has been looking to nuclear energy
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as a way to solve
our dependence on foreign oil.
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And now, in the wake of TMI,
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utility companies have canceled plans
to build 51 new nuclear plants.
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Nuclear opponents who would
shut down every reactor in the country
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simply are not in touch
with our needs for tomorrow.
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But nuclear advocates who would pretend
that nothing was changed
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by our vigil at Three Mile Island
simply are out of touch with reality.
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The accident
really threw a curveball
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into the general public's acceptance
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of power produced by nuclear reactors.
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We must now begin the long
and perhaps more arduous task
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of assessing
what the long-term consequences
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of this event will be.
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But I believe in the promise
of nuclear energy.
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And so when I was presented
with a golden opportunity
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to take part in the cleanup
at Three Mile Island,
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I leaped at the opportunity to do it
because I could focus
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on making the future
of the entire nuclear industry safe.
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I got everything all set up,
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made all the arrangements
I needed to make.
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A few weeks before I was to report
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to start work at Three Mile Island...
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my wife was killed in a wreck.
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There was a car wreck
leavin' a bar one night,
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and she did not make it.
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I don't wanna talk about it.
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So that was it.
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In June of 1980, I arrived
at Three Mile Island and began work,
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myself and my two sons.
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Cleaning up the mess
left by the accident at Three Mile Island
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has spawned a new industry
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with more than a thousand
government workers now on the scene.
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In 1980, I was sent to basically be
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the director of the NRC's on-site office
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at Three Mile Island,
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and ensure public health and safety
for the cleanup.
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Radioactivity levels
are so high,
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one hundred times the lethal dose now
inside this containment area,
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that there's a massive cleanup job ahead.
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Now,
cleanup is not a short job at all.
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We were in a situation
which was never encountered before.
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Nobody had ever had
an internally melted core,
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all this damage, all this radioactivity.
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So there's the stabilization phase,
the first couple of months.
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Then for the next year,
you gotta disassemble the core
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to put the fuel into engineered canisters
and ship it off site.
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The cost of what
has been called "a historic cleanup"
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is so high because
of the extremely sensitive
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and potentially dangerous
nature of the accident.
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The estimated cost of all that
is one billion dollars.
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Three Mile Island
cost 700 million to build,
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and it operated for less than 90 days.
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So, we're thrown into this.
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Where's the money gonna come from,
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and where is the technology
gonna come from?
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So the people that own the plant
outsourced the job to Bechtel.
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Bechtel is like the 51st state,
the nuclear state.
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It's your one-stop-shop
for nuclear cleanups.
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Bechtel had been involved
in the nuclear industry since day one.
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They were the largest privately-owned
construction enterprise in the world.
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Very well politically connected.
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I, Ronald Reagan, do solemnly swear...
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That I will faithfully execute...
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When Ronald Reagan
was meeting with all the powers that be
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to get him to throw his hat in the ring
for the 1980 election,
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Steve Bechtel
was one of the people that was there.
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What contracts have we got?
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You have people like
Caspar Weinberger and George Shultz
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that served on their board,
and there's a power play.
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The cleanup was larger
than Three Mile Island itself.
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It was about
the survival of the nuclear industry.
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So Bechtel had become
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the major decommissioning contractor
for the cleanup.
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And we knew we needed to do it safely.
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But we also had a sense of urgency to it.
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The longer the cleanup
continues, it's generally agreed,
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the greater the chance something else
could go wrong with the plant.
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There were major milestones
set up with the management
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to recover from the accident.
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We had nine feet of water in the basement
that was highly radioactive.
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We had to get that out.
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Then gather up contaminated materials,
with the ultimate being
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the melted fuel core
inside the reactor vessel itself.
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That was the goal.
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But, first and foremost,
you had to vent the containment.
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It's supposed to take
as long as a month
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to force radioactive krypton gas
into the air
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from inside the crippled nuclear reactor
at Three Mile Island in Pennsylvania.
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The question of credibility
has cropped up many times
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since last year's accident.
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People were terrified.
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We've already been exposed,
our children, our family,
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everybody's been exposed
to God knows how much.
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And then they want to vent on top of it.
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The people's feeling
was summed up very quickly.
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All for releasing the krypton applaud.
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Those against releasing the krypton...
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I never used to question before,
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and now I question everything.
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According to the vice president
of the power company,
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residents have nothing to worry about.
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That's not to say
that we won't encounter
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additional equipment problems,
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but there's not a need for concern.
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That infuriated me because to me
it was really a dog and pony show.
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This is real life.
This is what we are living.
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And we wanna have answers
to what our options are,
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and what we can do,
and what you are gonna do to protect us.
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Joyce Corradi bought this van
with double gas tanks for a quick getaway.
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She is one of those
who can't stand any more anxiety.
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It's hard to live here
when you know that when a siren blows,
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that you hope
it's a friend's house on fire
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instead of something wrong on the island.
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That's a hard way to live.
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Despite assurances,
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people living close to the plant
decided to leave.
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We evacuated,
we left while they vented.
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It's just not worth it.
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My family is too important.
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I'd much rather be home today, but...
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Can Metropolitan Edison
and the Nuclear Regulatory Commission
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ever dispel the fears of nearby residents?
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We went to meet Lake Barrett
who was the head of the NRC on the island.
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I told him,
"I want you to look into my face,
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and I want you to remember
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every decision that you make
about nuclear power."
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"There are people like me
that you involve,
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and you must take us into consideration."
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Well, the community was very
concerned about anything nuclear going on.
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There was an air of distrust.
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So people say
this, that, "They mislead this..."
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I don't have time
for drama in my life, okay?
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And emotion, uh...
I, I respect people's emotions.
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I respect Joyce
and those people very, very much.
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But I'm so saddened
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by them being further traumatized
by scare stories in the news.
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The NRC held
this meeting to explain
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Met-Ed's proposed plan to vent
krypton gas from the containment building.
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Keep your krypton! Keep your krypton!
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They are hysterical,
non-meaningful arguments.
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With the advent of the accident,
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the future of the entire nuclear industry
was cast into doubt.
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So there became an impetus
on the political side
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and in the industrial side
to push the cleanup faster.
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And my experiences
at Three Mile Island was,
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yes, they would take
every shortcut they possibly could.
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Bechtel had a reputation
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for a "get it done no matter what"
type of company.
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To begin with, in order to vent,
the Bechtel personnel had decided
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they would build
this huge filtration train,
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and they would pump
all of the radioactive gases out of there.
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Well, in the process,
they put duct tape over it.
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Duct tape is good for a lot of things.
You can ask any redneck.
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They can do anything
with duct tape and baling wire.
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But you can't stop radioactivity with it.
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A small amount
of radioactive gas
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drifted through a filter,
up the stack, into the air.
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The vent was stopped at 8:04.
They got an alarm on the stack monitor.
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The venting of krypton gas
from the containment building
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is just the beginning of the cleanup.
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Following all that,
we were going to have to design a shield
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to protect the people
working in the reactor compartment
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from radiation exposure.
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And Bechtel was asking people to volunteer
to go in, trying to make it look like
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you were really accomplishin'
something great for humanity.
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I refused to make
any reactor building entry
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because you don't know
what you're walkin' into.
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People were limited
to minutes at the most
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to be inside the reactor building.
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This took a period of months,
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and we had not started to process
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any of the high-level radioactive waste
from the accident.
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People are concerned
about how slowly
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the cleanup of the damaged plant is going.
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Some don't believe those working
on the plant know what they are doing.
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The utility says
the cleanup will be finished in 1983.
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The NRC says
it will take at least through '84.
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But the two sides agree on one thing,
the fact that the cleanup cost is soaring.
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Some of it has not progressed
as rapid we'd like,
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and I think that
it will eventually operate again.
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Uh, I'm personally
dedicated to ensuring that
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we have the opportunity to do that.
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The cleanup's over-budget,
behind schedule.
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So the owner of the plant,
GPU, establish a milestone schedule.
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Additional dollars would not be
turned loose to Bechtel
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until each milestone
had been accomplished.
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And so the closer it came to a milestone,
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the more pressure was put on us
by Bechtel to accomplish the schedule.
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Millions of dollars were at stake.
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And that was about the time
Larry King was hired.
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The executive vice president was
unhappy with the way things were movin'.
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So they decided to hire me,
figurin' that I could help out.
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And I got off to a bad start with Bechtel
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because they were
trying to get it done fast.
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Larry demonstrated to me his attitude
about gettin' the job done is,
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"Get it done right the first time."
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The milestone that started the trouble
was the reactor building polar crane.
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That became the only important thing
to pay attention to.
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The accident caused
melting down in the core.
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There were melted fuel rods
and debris in the bottom of the reactor.
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And we were going to lift the reactor
vessel head with the polar crane
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to get all that stuff out of there.
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But the accident,
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combined with venting
all of that radioactive water and steam,
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had exposed the polar crane to radiation.
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We had to replace
it all with brand-new cable,
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put all brand-new brakes on.
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Everything had to be spiffy neat
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to ensure that you're operating
your polar crane safely.
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And so I went to review
all the modification documentation
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that would've been done
about the polar crane.
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There was none.
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The head Bechtel manager on site
didn't wanna spend the money.
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He wanted it done faster.
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As Parks found out,
Bechtel had jury-rigged some parts.
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They didn't put in the parts
that were there before the accident.
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I thought, "This is a serious situation."
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"It's no time to be foolin' around,
or cutting corners or anything else."
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And right after that, Ed Gischel,
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who was the director of engineering
workin' for me, came and said,
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"We shouldn't allow that crane to
be lifted unless they load test it first."
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So when they both came to me,
I decided, "I agree with you."
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"We're not gonna lift the head,
and I'm not gonna sign for it."
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So I went up to the next level,
called the Vice President of GPU.
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And I remember, he got very angry with me
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because I told them
either he knew what was goin' on,
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and he didn't pay any attention to it,
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or he didn't know what was goin' on.
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And in either case, it was a problem.
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Myself, Ed Gischel, and Larry King
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knew all of these modifications
had been made,
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but we could not come up with how many.
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Where the material all came from?
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Who did the verification?
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Nothin'.
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Bechtel management, they...
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"No. We gotta get it done.
Just do it. Do it now."
294
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Organizations rot from the top down.
They do not rot from the bottom up.
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If management does not establish
the control parameters
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that everybody is expected to behave
in a nuclear power plant,
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you're flirtin' with
tickling the belly of the dragon.
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And the potential
consequences with a reactor...
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are damn dangerous.
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You can stumble into a situation
you can't walk out of.
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There is still over a thousand pounds
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of highly-radioactive nuclear fuel
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within the bowels
of the reactor at Three Mile Island.
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If something failed
on that reactor building polar crane
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when we were in the process
of removing that head,
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there was a concern
that if you dropped the head,
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that we could cause
enough of a fracture in the reactor vessel
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where we could approach a China Syndrome.
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We could disturb that fuel to the point
where we would initiate supercriticality,
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at which point it would've
ejected masses of radioactive metal,
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or it would've burned
through the bottom of the reactor.
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And if it broke, we would not be able
to keep the core covered.
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We would never regain entry to that
reactor building in any of our lifetimes
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because the radiation levels
escaping would be horrendous.
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You would be evacuating
Eastern Pennsylvania,
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possibly all the way down
to Washington, DC.
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At that time,
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two million people lived within
a 50-mile radius of Three Mile Island.
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If Bechtel had used
the reactor building polar crane
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as they intended to do in March of 1983,
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those people won't have a chance.
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We had the potential for killing 'em.
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Period.
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At 4:00 a.m., March 28th, 1979,
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the accident began
on the number two reactor
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at Pennsylvania's
Three Mile Island nuclear plant.
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Later, federal investigators said
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the reactor had come within
30 to 60 minutes of a meltdown.
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It took nearly
three years just to complete
330
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the first phase of the cleanup,
but the hardest,
331
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most uncertain part of the radioactive
cleanup has not even begun,
332
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the reactor itself.
333
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The community
is focused on two issues.
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One is we're starting to deal with the
emerging impacts of the cleanup of TMI,
335
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and also Unit 1, the reactor
that wasn't involved in the accident,
336
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was shut down during refueling.
337
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People were freaked out
that this plant may start again.
338
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Unit 1 has been shut down
ever since the accident three years ago.
339
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The owners, General Public Utilities,
340
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have asked the NRC
for permission to restart Unit 1.
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And at this point,
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the standing of GPU, of Bechtel,
of Met-Ed in the community is very low.
343
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A local referendum
showed that, by more than two to one,
344
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people in the area are opposed
to the reopening of the power plant.
345
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That was
the prevailing public sentiment,
346
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"We don't want this plant restarted."
And opposition coalesced.
347
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No, no, we won't go! No, no, we won't go!
348
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When I found out
that they wanted to restart Unit 1,
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I joined a group
along with my friend Paula
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called PANE,
"People Against Nuclear Energy."
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Gentlemen, we live in the daily
repercussions of this accident.
352
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Daily ventings, the storage
of high-level waste on that island,
353
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and the total incompetence of GPU.
354
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Every Sunday, I went to the island.
355
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I would be at the gate with a sign
to keep Unit 1 from going back online.
356
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No restart! No restart! No restart!
357
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After we had become
active in the community,
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I saw government cars
would come and write down license plates
359
00:23:52,973 --> 00:23:55,267
of people that were in these meetings.
360
00:23:59,354 --> 00:24:02,732
I naively said to Paula,
"Why are they here?"
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You know, I said,
362
00:24:04,067 --> 00:24:07,571
"Look, you're bein' paranoid.
We're small fish in the sea."
363
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So naive.
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It really frightened me.
365
00:24:12,159 --> 00:24:16,413
And so I called Eric Epstein in Middletown
at their meeting headquarters.
366
00:24:18,707 --> 00:24:20,625
I said, "Eric, do you hear that?"
367
00:24:20,709 --> 00:24:23,712
He goes, "Yeah, Joyce,
our phones are being tapped."
368
00:24:25,589 --> 00:24:29,009
The main driver here
is still makin' money.
369
00:24:29,092 --> 00:24:31,595
These companies went to any lengths,
370
00:24:31,678 --> 00:24:35,223
any lengths to make sure that
Three Mile Island Unit 1 would restart.
371
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I didn't want my kids
exposed to anything else.
372
00:24:41,563 --> 00:24:44,774
I did not want that plant to reopen
more than anything.
373
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That has been
the driving force of both of us.
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I really wanted to be able...
375
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...to look my children in the eye
376
00:24:57,871 --> 00:25:00,373
and tell them I had done my very best,
377
00:25:01,208 --> 00:25:04,920
that I had really tried
to make sure that they were safe.
378
00:25:06,338 --> 00:25:09,007
That was the thing
that meant the most to me.
379
00:25:12,219 --> 00:25:15,764
Is it possible that you're
going to have a billion-dollar mausoleum?
380
00:25:15,847 --> 00:25:21,311
The people of this area are
rightfully skeptical about this facility.
381
00:25:21,394 --> 00:25:23,855
And the burden of proof lies
with those who would...
382
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an extraordinarily heavy burden of proof,
383
00:25:26,525 --> 00:25:29,486
lies with those who would
reactivate this facility.
384
00:25:30,987 --> 00:25:34,533
Previously, I thought that
people wavin' their arms in the air
385
00:25:34,616 --> 00:25:36,409
and sayin' "no nukes" and all that,
386
00:25:36,493 --> 00:25:41,665
I thought they were really uneducated
to how safe the plant was.
387
00:25:41,748 --> 00:25:44,251
But what started changin' my mind
388
00:25:44,334 --> 00:25:47,337
was my experiences at Three Mile Island.
389
00:25:48,713 --> 00:25:51,007
And then when I lived in Middletown,
390
00:25:51,091 --> 00:25:55,303
I thought the people there were
amongst the nicest people I've ever met.
391
00:25:55,387 --> 00:25:59,599
And I was introduced to Betty Quackenbush,
and I started dating her.
392
00:26:01,810 --> 00:26:06,189
Her daughter was catchin' the bus
on the mornin' of the accident
393
00:26:06,273 --> 00:26:08,942
within 1,000 yards of Unit 2 reactor.
394
00:26:09,609 --> 00:26:11,319
There, that's me.
395
00:26:13,488 --> 00:26:17,784
My mom met Rick Parks
when I was ten, almost eleven.
396
00:26:18,493 --> 00:26:20,287
Pictures of Rick and my mother.
397
00:26:21,496 --> 00:26:23,540
I took to him right away.
398
00:26:23,623 --> 00:26:27,627
He had that accent that I liked
with a little twang.
399
00:26:27,711 --> 00:26:29,504
That's what I said, "You're twangin'."
400
00:26:29,588 --> 00:26:32,340
Oh, my gosh. It's so long ago.
401
00:26:33,049 --> 00:26:35,135
He came into our lives
402
00:26:35,218 --> 00:26:39,306
and made the family unit
that I've always wanted.
403
00:26:41,808 --> 00:26:45,604
Nikki was the closest thing
to a daughter I'll ever have.
404
00:26:45,687 --> 00:26:49,691
And so I tried to be
as much of a father to her as I could.
405
00:26:51,318 --> 00:26:54,696
I knew that Rick
worked at Three Mile Island.
406
00:26:54,779 --> 00:26:59,534
And one of the things
that I really started going back to
407
00:26:59,618 --> 00:27:02,329
is I always had
these re-occurring nightmares.
408
00:27:03,913 --> 00:27:07,751
Nikki told me a lot
about her fears with Three Mile Island.
409
00:27:08,335 --> 00:27:12,130
She did tell me one time that
she wasn't as worried about it anymore
410
00:27:12,213 --> 00:27:14,341
because she knew I'd take care of 'em.
411
00:27:21,056 --> 00:27:24,184
Definitely reminded me, "Be responsible."
412
00:27:24,267 --> 00:27:28,813
You had to show unfailing protection
for the general public.
413
00:27:31,941 --> 00:27:37,113
And at that time, Bechtel was
going forward with the polar crane.
414
00:27:37,906 --> 00:27:41,034
Myself, Ed Gischel, and Larry King
415
00:27:41,117 --> 00:27:46,289
were asking them to review everything
with an approach to overall safety.
416
00:27:47,666 --> 00:27:50,210
But Bechtel did not wanna hear anything.
417
00:27:50,293 --> 00:27:52,003
So Larry said, "Well..."
418
00:27:53,171 --> 00:27:54,422
"Go tell the NRC."
419
00:27:55,674 --> 00:27:56,716
So, I did.
420
00:28:00,762 --> 00:28:03,723
Parks felt that they weren't
following the procedures well,
421
00:28:03,807 --> 00:28:07,268
that there could be an explosion
of some sort. It's not safe.
422
00:28:07,352 --> 00:28:09,771
Bad things are gonna happen
when they use that crane.
423
00:28:09,854 --> 00:28:13,149
I think I looked at it,
and I didn't agree with him, okay?
424
00:28:13,233 --> 00:28:18,405
And if the merits of the argument
don't warrant action, I'm done with 'em.
425
00:28:19,114 --> 00:28:23,368
The head NRC agent on site, Lake Barrett,
was lettin' 'em get away with it,
426
00:28:23,451 --> 00:28:26,413
sayin', "We're gonna do this
with Bechtel construction,
427
00:28:26,496 --> 00:28:28,289
and the Nuclear Regulatory Commission
428
00:28:28,373 --> 00:28:30,917
can take their silly-ass rules
and shove 'em."
429
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:36,840
And whatever he told me,
I didn't, obviously... go along with it.
430
00:28:36,923 --> 00:28:38,425
He may not have liked it.
431
00:28:38,508 --> 00:28:41,028
He said, "Because of
the procedures of this and this and this..."
432
00:28:41,052 --> 00:28:44,973
And I did not go into the drama
and the soap operas
433
00:28:45,056 --> 00:28:47,142
about whose procedures
were the better procedures.
434
00:28:48,476 --> 00:28:50,687
We certainly want them
to speak their piece.
435
00:28:50,770 --> 00:28:52,564
But we analyzed what he had to say.
436
00:28:52,647 --> 00:28:55,442
I was satisfied that
that crane was safe enough.
437
00:28:55,525 --> 00:28:57,569
Now, is it zero risk? Never zero.
438
00:28:57,652 --> 00:29:02,031
Okay? Was it acceptable risk
to move forward and defuel? Yes.
439
00:29:02,115 --> 00:29:03,783
And therefore I approved it.
440
00:29:04,617 --> 00:29:06,995
I asked him for confidentiality.
441
00:29:07,078 --> 00:29:10,457
But Lake Barrett compromised
my identity to Bechtel...
442
00:29:11,207 --> 00:29:12,834
intentionally.
443
00:29:12,917 --> 00:29:15,712
No, I did not. It's a small place, right?
444
00:29:15,795 --> 00:29:18,882
Kind of, people know
that he, he had a problem with it.
445
00:29:18,965 --> 00:29:22,552
Would it be a secret that he probably
came to see me? Probably not.
446
00:29:22,635 --> 00:29:23,636
Okay?
447
00:29:25,138 --> 00:29:27,557
If you got the head guy on the NRC
448
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:31,478
playin' patty-cake with the utility
and lettin' 'em run wild,
449
00:29:31,561 --> 00:29:33,229
how can you trust the NRC?
450
00:29:33,313 --> 00:29:36,357
You'd have to have a camera
on both corners of their mouth
451
00:29:36,441 --> 00:29:39,235
to figure out which one
they were lying out of.
452
00:29:39,319 --> 00:29:41,654
Having the NRC
watch nuclear plants
453
00:29:41,738 --> 00:29:43,907
is like having a fox watch the hen house
454
00:29:43,990 --> 00:29:46,034
They're not regulating the industry.
455
00:29:46,117 --> 00:29:48,536
They're hand-in-hand
with the damn Bechtel.
456
00:29:51,915 --> 00:29:57,045
And then Bechtel came to me
on the use of the polar crane and said,
457
00:29:57,128 --> 00:30:00,340
"What am I worried about?
The NRC says it's okay."
458
00:30:01,299 --> 00:30:02,342
"You ought to sign off."
459
00:30:02,926 --> 00:30:05,178
And I refused to sign off on it.
460
00:30:05,261 --> 00:30:07,138
So I was actually, uh...
461
00:30:07,931 --> 00:30:10,975
stoppin' progress,
stoppin' 'em from gettin' their money.
462
00:30:12,477 --> 00:30:13,477
They fired him.
463
00:30:15,522 --> 00:30:17,774
That is how they handle dissent.
464
00:30:21,236 --> 00:30:23,738
There were intimidation factors
with Gischel too.
465
00:30:24,322 --> 00:30:27,659
After he identified the problem
with the polar crane,
466
00:30:27,742 --> 00:30:29,327
they wanted to get rid of him.
467
00:30:29,911 --> 00:30:33,998
They ordered Ed Gischel
to a psychological evaluation
468
00:30:34,082 --> 00:30:36,584
and not allowed to come back
on the job site until he,
469
00:30:36,668 --> 00:30:39,838
"passed the psychological evaluation."
470
00:30:39,921 --> 00:30:41,130
Now, that sounds to me
471
00:30:41,214 --> 00:30:45,343
like the Stalinist tactics
I read about when I was studying history.
472
00:30:47,512 --> 00:30:49,514
I knew my days were numbered.
473
00:30:54,477 --> 00:30:57,605
Got up the next morning
to go out and go to work.
474
00:30:57,689 --> 00:30:59,649
My van wouldn't start.
475
00:31:01,276 --> 00:31:03,695
I look at the battery cables,
and sure enough,
476
00:31:03,778 --> 00:31:06,281
the negative cable
is just a little bit loose.
477
00:31:09,617 --> 00:31:13,204
So I go to get my little toolbox
beneath the passenger seat
478
00:31:14,122 --> 00:31:15,415
and what do I find?
479
00:31:16,457 --> 00:31:18,084
A bag of marijuana.
480
00:31:19,294 --> 00:31:21,170
I mean, there is a Santa Claus,
481
00:31:21,254 --> 00:31:24,716
but he never dropped pot in my house
or my van before come Christmas time,
482
00:31:24,799 --> 00:31:26,175
and it wasn't Christmas time.
483
00:31:26,259 --> 00:31:29,095
So, I took the pot
in the house and flushed it.
484
00:31:36,603 --> 00:31:38,146
And then, sure enough,
485
00:31:38,229 --> 00:31:41,316
as I'm drivin' on the island that day,
I'm waved over.
486
00:31:43,693 --> 00:31:45,320
I had never been searched.
487
00:31:45,403 --> 00:31:46,403
Never.
488
00:31:48,281 --> 00:31:52,285
They were settin' me up to be fired
489
00:31:53,286 --> 00:31:54,787
with no recourse.
490
00:31:59,125 --> 00:32:00,501
That same day,
491
00:32:00,585 --> 00:32:04,505
all of my positions of authority
in the reactor building polar crane
492
00:32:04,589 --> 00:32:08,051
were removed from me
by Bechtel management.
493
00:32:08,134 --> 00:32:12,805
So, I no longer had anything
that I could stop them with.
494
00:32:15,475 --> 00:32:18,019
I was the one that was the danger
495
00:32:18,102 --> 00:32:20,813
because I had put it in writin' to the NRC
496
00:32:20,897 --> 00:32:24,317
that this is an unreviewed
nuclear safety question.
497
00:32:26,319 --> 00:32:29,030
And when I left work that day,
I was scared.
498
00:32:29,906 --> 00:32:33,368
And when I walked in,
Betty took one look at me and said,
499
00:32:33,451 --> 00:32:34,994
"What is wrong?"
500
00:32:35,578 --> 00:32:38,498
And I told her,
"I think I need an attorney."
501
00:32:38,581 --> 00:32:40,541
"I think I'm in trouble at work."
502
00:32:47,215 --> 00:32:50,301
I was working late,
and I got a phone call.
503
00:32:50,885 --> 00:32:53,429
I answered, "Hello,
Government Accountability Project."
504
00:32:53,513 --> 00:32:56,140
The voice on the other
end of the phone said,
505
00:32:56,224 --> 00:32:57,892
"I'm not gonna tell you who I am."
506
00:33:01,187 --> 00:33:05,400
He said that he had
significant issues at a nuclear plant.
507
00:33:05,483 --> 00:33:07,568
He wasn't gonna
tell me the name of the plant.
508
00:33:08,361 --> 00:33:09,361
But he needed help.
509
00:33:13,366 --> 00:33:16,744
At that time, the Government
Accountability Project, or GAP,
510
00:33:16,828 --> 00:33:20,707
was the leading organization
representing nuclear whistleblowers,
511
00:33:20,790 --> 00:33:25,336
and I persuaded him that if there were
issues of that big significance,
512
00:33:25,420 --> 00:33:27,588
I was willing to meet with him that night.
513
00:33:30,883 --> 00:33:35,013
He told me the name of a bar,
and he would be sitting at the bar,
514
00:33:35,096 --> 00:33:37,181
wearing an oxblood leather jacket
515
00:33:37,265 --> 00:33:40,059
and holding a tube
of engineering drawings.
516
00:33:58,327 --> 00:34:01,581
I introduced myself,
and then I just sat there for a while,
517
00:34:01,664 --> 00:34:03,041
and he didn't say anything.
518
00:34:05,418 --> 00:34:06,919
And I thought, "Okay."
519
00:34:07,795 --> 00:34:10,631
This is not going well.
520
00:34:12,300 --> 00:34:16,387
Billie was my first contact with
the Government Accountability Project.
521
00:34:16,471 --> 00:34:19,557
And I know I was cagey with her because,
522
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:20,641
for all I know,
523
00:34:20,725 --> 00:34:23,603
you could be the biggest
anti-nuclear organization in the world,
524
00:34:23,686 --> 00:34:25,313
and here I'm gonna give you something
525
00:34:25,396 --> 00:34:27,607
that's gonna slap
the nuclear industry around.
526
00:34:28,649 --> 00:34:30,818
He was incredibly nervous.
527
00:34:30,902 --> 00:34:32,653
But when he finished his beer, he said,
528
00:34:32,737 --> 00:34:35,406
"Okay, let's go talk."
And we went to a booth.
529
00:34:37,158 --> 00:34:41,412
It didn't take long for me to
find out that she too was a whistleblower.
530
00:34:42,538 --> 00:34:43,623
In my own case,
531
00:34:43,706 --> 00:34:48,086
my boss threatened to see to it
that I lost custody of my kids
532
00:34:48,169 --> 00:34:50,630
if I ever exposed what he did.
533
00:34:50,713 --> 00:34:54,092
And it happened.
I lost custody of my children for a year.
534
00:34:54,675 --> 00:34:59,472
And I'm thinkin',
"This woman is someone to respect."
535
00:35:00,348 --> 00:35:01,974
"Someone to admire."
536
00:35:03,267 --> 00:35:06,104
And I threw the dice.
537
00:35:09,649 --> 00:35:13,736
Rick rolled out the drawings
and started to explain to me
538
00:35:13,820 --> 00:35:15,863
what was supposed to have been inspected
539
00:35:15,947 --> 00:35:19,992
to ensure that the polar crane
had survived all those years
540
00:35:20,076 --> 00:35:23,704
in a highly-radioactive environment
and would still work.
541
00:35:24,539 --> 00:35:28,876
The documents not only contained
proof that it was a potential problem,
542
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,838
but the proof that
his management team knew about it
543
00:35:31,921 --> 00:35:34,924
and were determined to proceed anyway.
544
00:35:35,007 --> 00:35:37,343
It's the kind of document
you look at and you go,
545
00:35:37,426 --> 00:35:39,178
"Somebody's going to jail for this."
546
00:35:40,805 --> 00:35:43,474
I explained,
"We're runnin' out of time."
547
00:35:44,559 --> 00:35:46,394
"If we screw this up,
548
00:35:47,854 --> 00:35:49,730
we won't have a second chance."
549
00:35:51,649 --> 00:35:56,237
The NRC commissioners
were scheduled to vote next week
550
00:35:56,320 --> 00:36:00,408
on whether or not
to allow the cleanup to proceed.
551
00:36:00,992 --> 00:36:02,618
We had five days.
552
00:36:02,702 --> 00:36:04,579
And so I try to persuade him
553
00:36:04,662 --> 00:36:08,082
that he was gonna have to do
more than just talk to me.
554
00:36:08,166 --> 00:36:13,713
It's not a happy existence
when you make yourself known to people,
555
00:36:13,796 --> 00:36:17,592
and you cast a very negative light
on their actions.
556
00:36:18,092 --> 00:36:21,554
People tend to wanna come after you
with a little bit of hurt in their eyes.
557
00:36:23,890 --> 00:36:28,311
It was a legitimate fear
in their decision-making process
558
00:36:28,394 --> 00:36:30,479
about whether or not to go forward.
559
00:36:31,439 --> 00:36:34,609
I mean, I would say at least
half of the workers that I've represented
560
00:36:34,692 --> 00:36:37,361
over the years
from the nuclear power industry
561
00:36:37,445 --> 00:36:41,532
at some point early in their disclosures
562
00:36:41,616 --> 00:36:43,826
say, "I don't wanna be
the next Karen Silkwood."
563
00:36:51,459 --> 00:36:54,587
Karen Silkwood
was a 28-year-old union activist
564
00:36:54,670 --> 00:36:56,339
in November 1974,
565
00:36:56,422 --> 00:37:00,551
working here at Kerr-McGee's
Cimarron facility as a lab technician.
566
00:37:01,677 --> 00:37:06,515
Karen Silkwood had worked
at a nuclear facility in Oklahoma
567
00:37:06,599 --> 00:37:11,520
and was reporting issues
about the failure to keep workers safe.
568
00:37:11,604 --> 00:37:14,482
Silkwood died
in a car crash on this road,
569
00:37:14,565 --> 00:37:16,984
on her way to meet
a New York Times reporter.
570
00:37:17,068 --> 00:37:20,071
She had concerns
about excess radiation.
571
00:37:20,154 --> 00:37:23,866
And when she was on her way
to meet with this newspaper reporter
572
00:37:23,950 --> 00:37:27,286
to give proof of her allegations,
573
00:37:27,370 --> 00:37:29,121
she died in a car wreck.
574
00:37:29,622 --> 00:37:31,249
A single-car car wreck.
575
00:37:34,043 --> 00:37:37,797
The late Karen Silkwood
found contaminated with plutonium.
576
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,841
Traces of radiation
poisoning showed up in her blood.
577
00:37:40,925 --> 00:37:43,552
Her supporters
say the car was run off the road,
578
00:37:43,636 --> 00:37:45,388
and the documents disappeared.
579
00:37:46,013 --> 00:37:48,099
Sure does make you wonder.
580
00:37:49,058 --> 00:37:52,311
Whether she was murdered
or not, her death is fuel for an issue
581
00:37:52,395 --> 00:37:55,022
that is still hot
with controversy in this country:
582
00:37:55,106 --> 00:37:57,525
The safety of nuclear power plants.
583
00:37:58,192 --> 00:38:00,903
There were a lot of people
that were threatened,
584
00:38:00,987 --> 00:38:05,199
intimidated by various utilities
across the country.
585
00:38:06,826 --> 00:38:09,078
It can cost you your life.
586
00:38:11,330 --> 00:38:14,083
The Karen Silkwood case
was still goin' on in litigation,
587
00:38:14,166 --> 00:38:17,545
and it was still
a high-profile discussion.
588
00:38:17,628 --> 00:38:22,633
So, the ghost of Karen Silkwood's death
created a culture of fear.
589
00:38:27,263 --> 00:38:29,473
Meeting with Billie was a blur.
590
00:38:30,182 --> 00:38:34,353
But she reassured me enough
that I was willing to go down
591
00:38:34,437 --> 00:38:38,024
and talk to Tom Devine,
the legal director of GAP.
592
00:38:41,736 --> 00:38:43,612
At the Government
Accountability Project,
593
00:38:43,696 --> 00:38:46,991
we worked on around 8,000 cases
supporting whistleblowers.
594
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:53,039
Rick was something exceptional
because the stakes were much higher here.
595
00:38:53,706 --> 00:38:55,541
There was a greater sense of urgency
596
00:38:55,624 --> 00:38:57,835
than anything that
I've ever worked on before.
597
00:39:02,423 --> 00:39:07,011
Bechtel had scheduled the head lift
for five days after I met Rick.
598
00:39:10,264 --> 00:39:14,393
If the polar crane dropped the reactor
vessel head in the wrong spots,
599
00:39:14,477 --> 00:39:16,354
that would trigger a meltdown
600
00:39:16,437 --> 00:39:20,149
that could take out Philadelphia,
New York City, and Washington DC,
601
00:39:20,232 --> 00:39:24,528
the East Coast of the United States
might not be habitable indefinitely.
602
00:39:26,864 --> 00:39:29,116
We're on the verge of an apocalypse.
603
00:39:31,285 --> 00:39:32,965
We started
working on the affidavit,
604
00:39:32,995 --> 00:39:35,539
and we worked on it non-stop all weekend.
605
00:39:35,623 --> 00:39:37,541
Non-stop.
606
00:39:43,255 --> 00:39:45,466
We finished
the affidavit to present
607
00:39:45,549 --> 00:39:47,510
to the Nuclear Regulatory Commission.
608
00:39:47,593 --> 00:39:52,973
But, for Rick, knowing what was going
to happen next was unclear to him.
609
00:39:53,974 --> 00:39:54,975
Tom says,
610
00:39:55,059 --> 00:39:58,854
"Well, I think, maybe you should consider
going public with this information."
611
00:40:00,856 --> 00:40:04,068
It would have been the death knell
of the nuclear industry.
612
00:40:07,405 --> 00:40:09,156
That was the big irony.
613
00:40:09,782 --> 00:40:12,451
Rick deeply believed in nuclear power.
614
00:40:12,535 --> 00:40:16,580
I mean, it was his loyalty
to the technology that drove him.
615
00:40:18,124 --> 00:40:22,503
His disclosure would mean permanent
blacklisting in the nuclear industry.
616
00:40:24,713 --> 00:40:27,425
That's the way
organizations react to whistleblowers.
617
00:40:27,508 --> 00:40:30,136
They're a threat,
and they have to be destroyed.
618
00:40:35,182 --> 00:40:40,479
Bechtel and General Public Utilities
would stop at nothing to silence him.
619
00:40:48,529 --> 00:40:51,323
I've wondered, "Why did I do this?"
620
00:40:51,407 --> 00:40:53,242
"Is it worth my career?"
621
00:40:53,325 --> 00:40:55,327
"Is it worth going public?"
622
00:40:56,120 --> 00:41:01,250
I was very concerned, worried.
623
00:41:02,001 --> 00:41:06,380
And when I tried to explain to Betty
what had been going on at work,
624
00:41:06,464 --> 00:41:08,841
and that I was thinkin' of going public,
625
00:41:08,924 --> 00:41:12,428
it was a very tense
and difficult discussion
626
00:41:12,511 --> 00:41:15,014
because she was scared.
627
00:41:15,806 --> 00:41:19,393
She wanted me just to quit and walk away.
628
00:41:20,519 --> 00:41:23,606
But I just could not get her to understand
629
00:41:24,273 --> 00:41:27,193
the potential significance
of what could happen.
630
00:41:30,237 --> 00:41:33,282
You could feel like
there would be a little bit of tension,
631
00:41:33,365 --> 00:41:38,662
but they never really expressed, like,
exactly what was going on.
632
00:41:40,206 --> 00:41:41,999
You know, we always felt safe,
633
00:41:42,082 --> 00:41:45,628
and we had that family unit
that we all wanted.
634
00:41:45,711 --> 00:41:47,838
And when...
635
00:41:52,343 --> 00:41:57,056
When things started to change,
so did the family, and the relationship.
636
00:42:00,100 --> 00:42:03,020
I loved her.
I did not want to lose her.
637
00:42:04,188 --> 00:42:06,065
And I definitely loved the kids.
638
00:42:17,993 --> 00:42:20,162
So, I picked up my sons,
639
00:42:20,246 --> 00:42:24,291
came home,
and as we were walking to my apartment,
640
00:42:25,376 --> 00:42:27,628
I noticed my door was slightly ajar.
641
00:42:28,254 --> 00:42:30,548
It was unlocked. It was open.
642
00:42:35,302 --> 00:42:39,056
I knew then that somebody
had been in my apartment.
643
00:42:41,016 --> 00:42:44,603
That's why I made my boys
wait downstairs with my neighbor.
644
00:43:08,002 --> 00:43:11,422
My intent to go into my room was,
"That's where my guns were."
645
00:43:20,598 --> 00:43:23,559
I walked down the hallway
to where the bathrooms were,
646
00:43:23,642 --> 00:43:25,936
and my sons' bedroom, and my bedroom.
647
00:43:28,939 --> 00:43:32,901
I just kinda kicked the doors open
to see what was in there.
648
00:43:36,447 --> 00:43:38,866
By that time,
I knew the apartment was empty.
649
00:43:38,949 --> 00:43:40,659
No person in there.
650
00:43:41,410 --> 00:43:43,621
It did not appear
that there was anything taken.
651
00:43:43,704 --> 00:43:46,248
The TV was there. Stereo was there.
652
00:43:48,500 --> 00:43:55,299
But they had gone through the closet
where I had my paperwork stored.
653
00:43:56,550 --> 00:43:58,302
It was patently obvious.
654
00:43:58,385 --> 00:44:01,930
The only thing they were interested in
was documentation.
655
00:44:03,515 --> 00:44:06,101
If I had left the documentation there
656
00:44:06,185 --> 00:44:08,812
that I took to Tom Devine
in Washington, DC,
657
00:44:08,896 --> 00:44:10,731
I could not have proven anything.
658
00:44:13,651 --> 00:44:15,444
I talked to the lady downstairs.
659
00:44:15,527 --> 00:44:17,946
She confirmed
she heard someone in my apartment
660
00:44:18,030 --> 00:44:21,575
the night before while I was gone,
and my boys were not home.
661
00:44:22,409 --> 00:44:25,829
That scared me beyond reason
for my family's life,
662
00:44:25,913 --> 00:44:28,332
after my apartment was broken into.
663
00:44:28,415 --> 00:44:30,793
I took that as a message that,
664
00:44:30,876 --> 00:44:34,421
"Your sons are vulnerable,
and we will get you through them."
665
00:44:35,547 --> 00:44:37,925
That's exactly how I took that.
666
00:44:38,008 --> 00:44:40,260
And that made me an enemy for life.
667
00:44:41,637 --> 00:44:43,681
Because you don't threaten my sons.
668
00:44:44,598 --> 00:44:46,058
That's a step too far.
669
00:44:48,310 --> 00:44:49,937
I will kill for them...
670
00:44:51,980 --> 00:44:53,357
and not hesitate.
671
00:45:06,954 --> 00:45:10,999
I knew that they were out
for blood, and they weren't gonna stop.
672
00:45:15,671 --> 00:45:18,882
It was the determination
to not let 'em get away with it.
673
00:45:19,717 --> 00:45:21,885
I mean, I didn't know
what else I could do.
674
00:45:25,264 --> 00:45:28,642
I would tell the world
what I thought they needed to know
675
00:45:28,726 --> 00:45:30,436
before they were goin' to do it,
676
00:45:31,353 --> 00:45:32,730
and I went public.
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