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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,162 WWW.MY-SUBS.CO 1 00:00:29,487 --> 00:00:32,407 I've been pretty frightened at times in my life. 2 00:00:34,451 --> 00:00:36,828 That time was pretty close to the top. 3 00:00:51,092 --> 00:00:52,927 You get pushed into a corner. 4 00:00:53,011 --> 00:00:56,598 You don't have anywhere to go but to come out swingin'. 5 00:00:58,308 --> 00:01:01,436 And so that's why I made the decisions I made. 6 00:01:04,939 --> 00:01:07,859 After everything that happened to me at Three Mile Island, 7 00:01:08,443 --> 00:01:12,155 I was convinced that plant had the potential 8 00:01:12,238 --> 00:01:14,240 to cause another accident scenario 9 00:01:14,324 --> 00:01:16,743 that would not only destroy the nuclear industry 10 00:01:16,826 --> 00:01:18,161 but could destroy people. 11 00:01:20,622 --> 00:01:22,832 Millions of lives were at stake. 12 00:01:37,097 --> 00:01:39,015 I live in East Texas. 13 00:01:39,099 --> 00:01:42,727 I grew up in the state of Missouri during the Vietnam era. 14 00:01:45,063 --> 00:01:50,110 Like all young guys in those days, I knew I wasn't gonna survive the draft. 15 00:01:52,779 --> 00:01:57,575 And sure enough, one night, my wife was sitting at the table, 16 00:01:57,659 --> 00:01:59,994 and I could tell she had been cryin', 17 00:02:00,078 --> 00:02:02,122 and she handed me my draft notice. 18 00:02:05,917 --> 00:02:08,670 So I went down the very first thing the next morning 19 00:02:08,753 --> 00:02:10,672 to the local Navy recruiter, 20 00:02:11,422 --> 00:02:15,760 but the only thing they had available was a naval nuclear power program. 21 00:02:15,844 --> 00:02:17,637 It was a six-year enlistment. 22 00:02:18,304 --> 00:02:19,806 So, I took it. 23 00:02:19,889 --> 00:02:23,434 Your next six months will be at a Navy nuclear prototype facility. 24 00:02:24,018 --> 00:02:26,855 When I first got to nuke school, there was a sign that said, 25 00:02:26,938 --> 00:02:31,067 "Men that pass through here are about to receive a $50,000 education." 26 00:02:31,151 --> 00:02:34,821 And one of my classmates climbed up there one night and wrote, 27 00:02:34,904 --> 00:02:38,366 "Shoved up your butt a nickel at a time." You know? 28 00:02:41,161 --> 00:02:43,955 You went through everything from all the chemistry, 29 00:02:44,038 --> 00:02:48,042 the metallurgical aspects of reactors, reactor physics, pump theory, 30 00:02:48,126 --> 00:02:50,211 electrical theory, you name it. 31 00:02:50,295 --> 00:02:53,882 And I was one of the few non-degree'd guys. 32 00:02:53,965 --> 00:02:56,050 So, yeah, I had to bust my butt. 33 00:02:58,428 --> 00:03:01,389 And both my sons were born when I was in the Navy. 34 00:03:02,307 --> 00:03:04,434 And they wouldn't let me go home to see 'em. 35 00:03:04,517 --> 00:03:07,478 But everyone aboard the ship has a responsibility 36 00:03:07,562 --> 00:03:09,230 in the area of safety. 37 00:03:09,898 --> 00:03:14,569 In the Navy, I discovered a love that I never knew existed before 38 00:03:14,652 --> 00:03:17,530 because nuclear power was just it for me. 39 00:03:20,450 --> 00:03:22,827 But I'd never had anybody 40 00:03:22,911 --> 00:03:28,082 place such a high expectation on performance on me 41 00:03:28,166 --> 00:03:29,626 like the admiral did. 42 00:03:34,255 --> 00:03:38,343 This is the reactor of the Navy's first nuclear-powered submarine, 43 00:03:38,426 --> 00:03:39,427 the Nautilus. 44 00:03:39,510 --> 00:03:43,306 Admiral Rickover is considered the father of the nuclear navy. 45 00:03:43,389 --> 00:03:47,685 He created a reactor in a submarine that would make a submarine, 46 00:03:47,769 --> 00:03:51,147 a true submarine, never have to surface. 47 00:03:53,650 --> 00:03:57,487 I would charge Hell with a bucket of sand if that man was leading me 48 00:03:57,570 --> 00:04:01,115 because he made the nuclear submarine world safe. 49 00:04:01,699 --> 00:04:03,534 Now this is made just as safe 50 00:04:03,618 --> 00:04:05,662 as the plants in the Atomic Energy Commission. 51 00:04:05,745 --> 00:04:09,457 And the admiral gave me a professional code that is unrivaled. 52 00:04:11,209 --> 00:04:15,046 "Be responsible." That was his philosophy. 53 00:04:15,129 --> 00:04:18,633 Every decision you made had to be responsible. 54 00:04:25,765 --> 00:04:29,102 The accident at Pennsylvania's Three Mile Island nuclear plant 55 00:04:29,185 --> 00:04:30,353 shocked the nation, 56 00:04:30,436 --> 00:04:32,480 which has been looking to nuclear energy 57 00:04:32,563 --> 00:04:35,483 as a way to solve our dependence on foreign oil. 58 00:04:35,566 --> 00:04:37,652 And now, in the wake of TMI, 59 00:04:37,735 --> 00:04:41,698 utility companies have canceled plans to build 51 new nuclear plants. 60 00:04:43,241 --> 00:04:47,161 Nuclear opponents who would shut down every reactor in the country 61 00:04:47,245 --> 00:04:49,706 simply are not in touch with our needs for tomorrow. 62 00:04:50,832 --> 00:04:54,961 But nuclear advocates who would pretend that nothing was changed 63 00:04:55,044 --> 00:04:59,507 by our vigil at Three Mile Island simply are out of touch with reality. 64 00:05:01,801 --> 00:05:04,429 The accident really threw a curveball 65 00:05:04,512 --> 00:05:06,931 into the general public's acceptance 66 00:05:07,015 --> 00:05:09,976 of power produced by nuclear reactors. 67 00:05:10,601 --> 00:05:14,147 We must now begin the long and perhaps more arduous task 68 00:05:14,230 --> 00:05:18,151 of assessing what the long-term consequences 69 00:05:18,234 --> 00:05:20,069 of this event will be. 70 00:05:20,153 --> 00:05:24,782 But I believe in the promise of nuclear energy. 71 00:05:25,325 --> 00:05:28,453 And so when I was presented with a golden opportunity 72 00:05:28,536 --> 00:05:31,581 to take part in the cleanup at Three Mile Island, 73 00:05:31,664 --> 00:05:36,252 I leaped at the opportunity to do it because I could focus 74 00:05:36,336 --> 00:05:40,465 on making the future of the entire nuclear industry safe. 75 00:05:43,134 --> 00:05:44,677 I got everything all set up, 76 00:05:44,761 --> 00:05:47,263 made all the arrangements I needed to make. 77 00:05:47,347 --> 00:05:50,767 A few weeks before I was to report 78 00:05:50,850 --> 00:05:53,478 to start work at Three Mile Island... 79 00:05:54,604 --> 00:05:56,481 my wife was killed in a wreck. 80 00:06:00,985 --> 00:06:03,237 There was a car wreck leavin' a bar one night, 81 00:06:04,280 --> 00:06:06,199 and she did not make it. 82 00:06:07,533 --> 00:06:08,951 I don't wanna talk about it. 83 00:06:20,088 --> 00:06:21,214 So that was it. 84 00:06:23,216 --> 00:06:26,344 In June of 1980, I arrived at Three Mile Island and began work, 85 00:06:26,427 --> 00:06:28,221 myself and my two sons. 86 00:06:41,818 --> 00:06:45,405 Cleaning up the mess left by the accident at Three Mile Island 87 00:06:45,488 --> 00:06:47,031 has spawned a new industry 88 00:06:47,115 --> 00:06:50,493 with more than a thousand government workers now on the scene. 89 00:06:52,412 --> 00:06:55,081 In 1980, I was sent to basically be 90 00:06:55,164 --> 00:06:58,000 the director of the NRC's on-site office 91 00:06:58,084 --> 00:06:59,168 at Three Mile Island, 92 00:06:59,836 --> 00:07:02,630 and ensure public health and safety for the cleanup. 93 00:07:03,131 --> 00:07:05,133 Radioactivity levels are so high, 94 00:07:05,216 --> 00:07:09,137 one hundred times the lethal dose now inside this containment area, 95 00:07:09,220 --> 00:07:11,472 that there's a massive cleanup job ahead. 96 00:07:13,057 --> 00:07:15,601 Now, cleanup is not a short job at all. 97 00:07:16,394 --> 00:07:20,606 We were in a situation which was never encountered before. 98 00:07:20,690 --> 00:07:23,401 Nobody had ever had an internally melted core, 99 00:07:23,484 --> 00:07:25,319 all this damage, all this radioactivity. 100 00:07:25,403 --> 00:07:29,657 So there's the stabilization phase, the first couple of months. 101 00:07:29,740 --> 00:07:32,743 Then for the next year, you gotta disassemble the core 102 00:07:33,327 --> 00:07:36,998 to put the fuel into engineered canisters and ship it off site. 103 00:07:37,874 --> 00:07:41,043 The cost of what has been called "a historic cleanup" 104 00:07:41,127 --> 00:07:43,921 is so high because of the extremely sensitive 105 00:07:44,005 --> 00:07:46,841 and potentially dangerous nature of the accident. 106 00:07:46,924 --> 00:07:49,969 The estimated cost of all that is one billion dollars. 107 00:07:51,304 --> 00:07:54,056 Three Mile Island cost 700 million to build, 108 00:07:54,140 --> 00:07:56,517 and it operated for less than 90 days. 109 00:07:56,601 --> 00:07:58,311 So, we're thrown into this. 110 00:07:58,394 --> 00:07:59,770 Where's the money gonna come from, 111 00:07:59,854 --> 00:08:02,648 and where is the technology gonna come from? 112 00:08:02,732 --> 00:08:07,111 So the people that own the plant outsourced the job to Bechtel. 113 00:08:09,655 --> 00:08:13,117 Bechtel is like the 51st state, the nuclear state. 114 00:08:13,201 --> 00:08:16,078 It's your one-stop-shop for nuclear cleanups. 115 00:08:17,330 --> 00:08:21,334 Bechtel had been involved in the nuclear industry since day one. 116 00:08:21,417 --> 00:08:25,713 They were the largest privately-owned construction enterprise in the world. 117 00:08:25,796 --> 00:08:28,049 Very well politically connected. 118 00:08:28,132 --> 00:08:30,343 I, Ronald Reagan, do solemnly swear... 119 00:08:30,426 --> 00:08:32,261 That I will faithfully execute... 120 00:08:32,345 --> 00:08:36,307 When Ronald Reagan was meeting with all the powers that be 121 00:08:36,390 --> 00:08:40,186 to get him to throw his hat in the ring for the 1980 election, 122 00:08:40,269 --> 00:08:43,231 Steve Bechtel was one of the people that was there. 123 00:08:43,314 --> 00:08:44,565 What contracts have we got? 124 00:08:44,649 --> 00:08:47,944 You have people like Caspar Weinberger and George Shultz 125 00:08:48,027 --> 00:08:50,738 that served on their board, and there's a power play. 126 00:08:50,821 --> 00:08:53,449 The cleanup was larger than Three Mile Island itself. 127 00:08:53,533 --> 00:08:56,661 It was about the survival of the nuclear industry. 128 00:08:59,705 --> 00:09:01,499 So Bechtel had become 129 00:09:01,582 --> 00:09:04,835 the major decommissioning contractor for the cleanup. 130 00:09:06,128 --> 00:09:08,965 And we knew we needed to do it safely. 131 00:09:09,048 --> 00:09:11,842 But we also had a sense of urgency to it. 132 00:09:11,926 --> 00:09:14,637 The longer the cleanup continues, it's generally agreed, 133 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:17,682 the greater the chance something else could go wrong with the plant. 134 00:09:17,765 --> 00:09:21,143 There were major milestones set up with the management 135 00:09:21,227 --> 00:09:22,645 to recover from the accident. 136 00:09:23,980 --> 00:09:27,525 We had nine feet of water in the basement that was highly radioactive. 137 00:09:27,608 --> 00:09:29,068 We had to get that out. 138 00:09:29,151 --> 00:09:32,780 Then gather up contaminated materials, with the ultimate being 139 00:09:32,863 --> 00:09:36,617 the melted fuel core inside the reactor vessel itself. 140 00:09:37,618 --> 00:09:38,786 That was the goal. 141 00:09:39,745 --> 00:09:43,457 But, first and foremost, you had to vent the containment. 142 00:09:43,541 --> 00:09:45,541 It's supposed to take as long as a month 143 00:09:45,585 --> 00:09:48,546 to force radioactive krypton gas into the air 144 00:09:48,629 --> 00:09:53,342 from inside the crippled nuclear reactor at Three Mile Island in Pennsylvania. 145 00:09:53,426 --> 00:09:56,512 The question of credibility has cropped up many times 146 00:09:56,596 --> 00:09:58,347 since last year's accident. 147 00:09:58,431 --> 00:09:59,807 People were terrified. 148 00:09:59,890 --> 00:10:02,643 We've already been exposed, our children, our family, 149 00:10:02,727 --> 00:10:05,771 everybody's been exposed to God knows how much. 150 00:10:06,355 --> 00:10:08,357 And then they want to vent on top of it. 151 00:10:08,441 --> 00:10:11,277 The people's feeling was summed up very quickly. 152 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:14,780 All for releasing the krypton applaud. 153 00:10:17,491 --> 00:10:20,328 Those against releasing the krypton... 154 00:10:24,707 --> 00:10:27,043 I never used to question before, 155 00:10:27,126 --> 00:10:29,170 and now I question everything. 156 00:10:29,754 --> 00:10:32,381 According to the vice president of the power company, 157 00:10:32,465 --> 00:10:34,634 residents have nothing to worry about. 158 00:10:34,717 --> 00:10:36,957 That's not to say that we won't encounter 159 00:10:37,011 --> 00:10:38,971 additional equipment problems, 160 00:10:39,055 --> 00:10:41,390 but there's not a need for concern. 161 00:10:41,474 --> 00:10:45,353 That infuriated me because to me it was really a dog and pony show. 162 00:10:45,436 --> 00:10:47,855 This is real life. This is what we are living. 163 00:10:47,938 --> 00:10:50,900 And we wanna have answers to what our options are, 164 00:10:50,983 --> 00:10:54,236 and what we can do, and what you are gonna do to protect us. 165 00:10:55,655 --> 00:11:00,034 Joyce Corradi bought this van with double gas tanks for a quick getaway. 166 00:11:00,117 --> 00:11:03,537 She is one of those who can't stand any more anxiety. 167 00:11:03,621 --> 00:11:07,333 It's hard to live here when you know that when a siren blows, 168 00:11:07,416 --> 00:11:09,919 that you hope it's a friend's house on fire 169 00:11:10,002 --> 00:11:12,421 instead of something wrong on the island. 170 00:11:12,505 --> 00:11:13,714 That's a hard way to live. 171 00:11:13,798 --> 00:11:15,132 Despite assurances, 172 00:11:15,216 --> 00:11:18,010 people living close to the plant decided to leave. 173 00:11:18,094 --> 00:11:21,180 We evacuated, we left while they vented. 174 00:11:21,263 --> 00:11:23,099 It's just not worth it. 175 00:11:23,182 --> 00:11:24,975 My family is too important. 176 00:11:25,059 --> 00:11:27,144 I'd much rather be home today, but... 177 00:11:27,937 --> 00:11:31,190 Can Metropolitan Edison and the Nuclear Regulatory Commission 178 00:11:31,273 --> 00:11:33,776 ever dispel the fears of nearby residents? 179 00:11:36,028 --> 00:11:39,949 We went to meet Lake Barrett who was the head of the NRC on the island. 180 00:11:41,742 --> 00:11:45,454 I told him, "I want you to look into my face, 181 00:11:45,538 --> 00:11:48,124 and I want you to remember 182 00:11:48,207 --> 00:11:52,378 every decision that you make about nuclear power." 183 00:11:52,461 --> 00:11:57,633 "There are people like me that you involve, 184 00:11:57,717 --> 00:12:00,177 and you must take us into consideration." 185 00:12:02,722 --> 00:12:06,809 Well, the community was very concerned about anything nuclear going on. 186 00:12:08,394 --> 00:12:09,895 There was an air of distrust. 187 00:12:09,979 --> 00:12:12,648 So people say this, that, "They mislead this..." 188 00:12:12,732 --> 00:12:15,568 I don't have time for drama in my life, okay? 189 00:12:15,651 --> 00:12:19,196 And emotion, uh... I, I respect people's emotions. 190 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:22,533 I respect Joyce and those people very, very much. 191 00:12:23,117 --> 00:12:25,077 But I'm so saddened 192 00:12:25,161 --> 00:12:30,207 by them being further traumatized by scare stories in the news. 193 00:12:30,291 --> 00:12:32,501 The NRC held this meeting to explain 194 00:12:32,585 --> 00:12:36,088 Met-Ed's proposed plan to vent krypton gas from the containment building. 195 00:12:36,172 --> 00:12:39,759 Keep your krypton! Keep your krypton! 196 00:12:39,842 --> 00:12:43,804 They are hysterical, non-meaningful arguments. 197 00:12:52,271 --> 00:12:54,231 With the advent of the accident, 198 00:12:54,315 --> 00:12:58,194 the future of the entire nuclear industry was cast into doubt. 199 00:12:58,277 --> 00:13:02,406 So there became an impetus on the political side 200 00:13:02,490 --> 00:13:05,910 and in the industrial side to push the cleanup faster. 201 00:13:06,410 --> 00:13:10,539 And my experiences at Three Mile Island was, 202 00:13:10,623 --> 00:13:13,834 yes, they would take every shortcut they possibly could. 203 00:13:18,506 --> 00:13:20,090 Bechtel had a reputation 204 00:13:20,174 --> 00:13:23,219 for a "get it done no matter what" type of company. 205 00:13:24,553 --> 00:13:29,099 To begin with, in order to vent, the Bechtel personnel had decided 206 00:13:29,183 --> 00:13:32,353 they would build this huge filtration train, 207 00:13:32,436 --> 00:13:36,899 and they would pump all of the radioactive gases out of there. 208 00:13:38,734 --> 00:13:41,612 Well, in the process, they put duct tape over it. 209 00:13:42,238 --> 00:13:45,616 Duct tape is good for a lot of things. You can ask any redneck. 210 00:13:45,699 --> 00:13:48,953 They can do anything with duct tape and baling wire. 211 00:13:49,036 --> 00:13:51,539 But you can't stop radioactivity with it. 212 00:13:56,335 --> 00:13:58,212 A small amount of radioactive gas 213 00:13:58,295 --> 00:14:01,715 drifted through a filter, up the stack, into the air. 214 00:14:01,799 --> 00:14:06,262 The vent was stopped at 8:04. They got an alarm on the stack monitor. 215 00:14:07,179 --> 00:14:09,783 The venting of krypton gas from the containment building 216 00:14:09,807 --> 00:14:12,059 is just the beginning of the cleanup. 217 00:14:13,686 --> 00:14:17,857 Following all that, we were going to have to design a shield 218 00:14:17,940 --> 00:14:20,776 to protect the people working in the reactor compartment 219 00:14:20,860 --> 00:14:22,778 from radiation exposure. 220 00:14:23,988 --> 00:14:29,785 And Bechtel was asking people to volunteer to go in, trying to make it look like 221 00:14:29,869 --> 00:14:33,289 you were really accomplishin' something great for humanity. 222 00:14:33,914 --> 00:14:37,084 I refused to make any reactor building entry 223 00:14:37,167 --> 00:14:40,004 because you don't know what you're walkin' into. 224 00:15:03,861 --> 00:15:07,197 People were limited to minutes at the most 225 00:15:07,281 --> 00:15:09,366 to be inside the reactor building. 226 00:15:12,620 --> 00:15:14,413 This took a period of months, 227 00:15:14,496 --> 00:15:17,625 and we had not started to process 228 00:15:17,708 --> 00:15:22,004 any of the high-level radioactive waste from the accident. 229 00:15:25,883 --> 00:15:27,968 People are concerned about how slowly 230 00:15:28,052 --> 00:15:29,732 the cleanup of the damaged plant is going. 231 00:15:30,304 --> 00:15:34,224 Some don't believe those working on the plant know what they are doing. 232 00:15:34,308 --> 00:15:38,228 The utility says the cleanup will be finished in 1983. 233 00:15:38,312 --> 00:15:41,065 The NRC says it will take at least through '84. 234 00:15:41,148 --> 00:15:45,235 But the two sides agree on one thing, the fact that the cleanup cost is soaring. 235 00:15:45,319 --> 00:15:48,197 Some of it has not progressed as rapid we'd like, 236 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:50,616 and I think that it will eventually operate again. 237 00:15:50,699 --> 00:15:53,285 Uh, I'm personally dedicated to ensuring that 238 00:15:53,369 --> 00:15:55,829 we have the opportunity to do that. 239 00:16:00,668 --> 00:16:03,837 The cleanup's over-budget, behind schedule. 240 00:16:04,588 --> 00:16:09,760 So the owner of the plant, GPU, establish a milestone schedule. 241 00:16:09,843 --> 00:16:13,806 Additional dollars would not be turned loose to Bechtel 242 00:16:13,889 --> 00:16:16,850 until each milestone had been accomplished. 243 00:16:18,268 --> 00:16:21,772 And so the closer it came to a milestone, 244 00:16:21,855 --> 00:16:26,902 the more pressure was put on us by Bechtel to accomplish the schedule. 245 00:16:27,486 --> 00:16:29,530 Millions of dollars were at stake. 246 00:16:31,198 --> 00:16:34,410 And that was about the time Larry King was hired. 247 00:16:36,203 --> 00:16:39,915 The executive vice president was unhappy with the way things were movin'. 248 00:16:39,999 --> 00:16:44,003 So they decided to hire me, figurin' that I could help out. 249 00:16:46,088 --> 00:16:49,091 And I got off to a bad start with Bechtel 250 00:16:49,174 --> 00:16:52,052 because they were trying to get it done fast. 251 00:16:52,136 --> 00:16:56,098 Larry demonstrated to me his attitude about gettin' the job done is, 252 00:16:56,181 --> 00:16:58,267 "Get it done right the first time." 253 00:16:59,810 --> 00:17:04,773 The milestone that started the trouble was the reactor building polar crane. 254 00:17:07,276 --> 00:17:11,697 That became the only important thing to pay attention to. 255 00:17:15,784 --> 00:17:18,787 The accident caused melting down in the core. 256 00:17:18,871 --> 00:17:22,958 There were melted fuel rods and debris in the bottom of the reactor. 257 00:17:23,042 --> 00:17:27,588 And we were going to lift the reactor vessel head with the polar crane 258 00:17:27,671 --> 00:17:29,757 to get all that stuff out of there. 259 00:17:30,424 --> 00:17:32,009 But the accident, 260 00:17:32,092 --> 00:17:36,305 combined with venting all of that radioactive water and steam, 261 00:17:36,388 --> 00:17:39,266 had exposed the polar crane to radiation. 262 00:17:40,309 --> 00:17:42,978 We had to replace it all with brand-new cable, 263 00:17:43,062 --> 00:17:44,480 put all brand-new brakes on. 264 00:17:44,563 --> 00:17:46,315 Everything had to be spiffy neat 265 00:17:46,398 --> 00:17:50,235 to ensure that you're operating your polar crane safely. 266 00:17:52,362 --> 00:17:55,908 And so I went to review all the modification documentation 267 00:17:55,991 --> 00:17:58,952 that would've been done about the polar crane. 268 00:17:59,036 --> 00:18:00,204 There was none. 269 00:18:01,455 --> 00:18:06,251 The head Bechtel manager on site didn't wanna spend the money. 270 00:18:06,335 --> 00:18:07,753 He wanted it done faster. 271 00:18:10,547 --> 00:18:14,718 As Parks found out, Bechtel had jury-rigged some parts. 272 00:18:14,802 --> 00:18:17,679 They didn't put in the parts that were there before the accident. 273 00:18:17,763 --> 00:18:20,140 I thought, "This is a serious situation." 274 00:18:20,224 --> 00:18:24,353 "It's no time to be foolin' around, or cutting corners or anything else." 275 00:18:25,187 --> 00:18:27,773 And right after that, Ed Gischel, 276 00:18:27,856 --> 00:18:30,859 who was the director of engineering workin' for me, came and said, 277 00:18:30,943 --> 00:18:35,197 "We shouldn't allow that crane to be lifted unless they load test it first." 278 00:18:36,281 --> 00:18:40,702 So when they both came to me, I decided, "I agree with you." 279 00:18:40,786 --> 00:18:43,914 "We're not gonna lift the head, and I'm not gonna sign for it." 280 00:18:46,041 --> 00:18:51,088 So I went up to the next level, called the Vice President of GPU. 281 00:18:52,339 --> 00:18:56,176 And I remember, he got very angry with me 282 00:18:56,260 --> 00:18:59,555 because I told them either he knew what was goin' on, 283 00:18:59,638 --> 00:19:01,974 and he didn't pay any attention to it, 284 00:19:02,057 --> 00:19:04,017 or he didn't know what was goin' on. 285 00:19:04,101 --> 00:19:06,270 And in either case, it was a problem. 286 00:19:07,604 --> 00:19:10,607 Myself, Ed Gischel, and Larry King 287 00:19:10,691 --> 00:19:14,027 knew all of these modifications had been made, 288 00:19:14,111 --> 00:19:15,904 but we could not come up with how many. 289 00:19:15,988 --> 00:19:17,865 Where the material all came from? 290 00:19:17,948 --> 00:19:19,575 Who did the verification? 291 00:19:20,367 --> 00:19:21,201 Nothin'. 292 00:19:21,285 --> 00:19:23,745 Bechtel management, they... 293 00:19:23,829 --> 00:19:27,332 "No. We gotta get it done. Just do it. Do it now." 294 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:37,134 Organizations rot from the top down. They do not rot from the bottom up. 295 00:19:37,217 --> 00:19:40,429 If management does not establish the control parameters 296 00:19:40,512 --> 00:19:44,141 that everybody is expected to behave in a nuclear power plant, 297 00:19:44,224 --> 00:19:47,186 you're flirtin' with tickling the belly of the dragon. 298 00:19:49,313 --> 00:19:52,357 And the potential consequences with a reactor... 299 00:19:54,902 --> 00:19:57,070 are damn dangerous. 300 00:19:59,489 --> 00:20:03,076 You can stumble into a situation you can't walk out of. 301 00:20:05,412 --> 00:20:08,332 There is still over a thousand pounds 302 00:20:08,415 --> 00:20:11,668 of highly-radioactive nuclear fuel 303 00:20:11,752 --> 00:20:15,088 within the bowels of the reactor at Three Mile Island. 304 00:20:16,715 --> 00:20:20,427 If something failed on that reactor building polar crane 305 00:20:20,510 --> 00:20:23,764 when we were in the process of removing that head, 306 00:20:23,847 --> 00:20:27,351 there was a concern that if you dropped the head, 307 00:20:27,434 --> 00:20:32,606 that we could cause enough of a fracture in the reactor vessel 308 00:20:32,689 --> 00:20:37,027 where we could approach a China Syndrome. 309 00:20:38,946 --> 00:20:43,825 We could disturb that fuel to the point where we would initiate supercriticality, 310 00:20:43,909 --> 00:20:48,372 at which point it would've ejected masses of radioactive metal, 311 00:20:48,455 --> 00:20:52,167 or it would've burned through the bottom of the reactor. 312 00:20:54,253 --> 00:20:57,965 And if it broke, we would not be able to keep the core covered. 313 00:21:01,718 --> 00:21:06,390 We would never regain entry to that reactor building in any of our lifetimes 314 00:21:06,473 --> 00:21:10,686 because the radiation levels escaping would be horrendous. 315 00:21:11,687 --> 00:21:14,815 You would be evacuating Eastern Pennsylvania, 316 00:21:14,898 --> 00:21:17,484 possibly all the way down to Washington, DC. 317 00:21:18,860 --> 00:21:19,945 At that time, 318 00:21:20,028 --> 00:21:24,408 two million people lived within a 50-mile radius of Three Mile Island. 319 00:21:25,367 --> 00:21:28,620 If Bechtel had used the reactor building polar crane 320 00:21:28,704 --> 00:21:32,582 as they intended to do in March of 1983, 321 00:21:32,666 --> 00:21:34,334 those people won't have a chance. 322 00:21:35,335 --> 00:21:37,462 We had the potential for killing 'em. 323 00:21:38,130 --> 00:21:39,130 Period. 324 00:21:48,765 --> 00:21:51,601 At 4:00 a.m., March 28th, 1979, 325 00:21:51,685 --> 00:21:54,229 the accident began on the number two reactor 326 00:21:54,313 --> 00:21:56,857 at Pennsylvania's Three Mile Island nuclear plant. 327 00:21:56,940 --> 00:21:58,900 Later, federal investigators said 328 00:21:58,984 --> 00:22:02,529 the reactor had come within 30 to 60 minutes of a meltdown. 329 00:22:02,612 --> 00:22:04,990 It took nearly three years just to complete 330 00:22:05,073 --> 00:22:07,701 the first phase of the cleanup, but the hardest, 331 00:22:07,784 --> 00:22:11,705 most uncertain part of the radioactive cleanup has not even begun, 332 00:22:11,788 --> 00:22:13,332 the reactor itself. 333 00:22:13,415 --> 00:22:15,375 The community is focused on two issues. 334 00:22:15,459 --> 00:22:20,672 One is we're starting to deal with the emerging impacts of the cleanup of TMI, 335 00:22:20,756 --> 00:22:25,052 and also Unit 1, the reactor that wasn't involved in the accident, 336 00:22:25,135 --> 00:22:27,012 was shut down during refueling. 337 00:22:27,095 --> 00:22:30,807 People were freaked out that this plant may start again. 338 00:22:31,975 --> 00:22:35,687 Unit 1 has been shut down ever since the accident three years ago. 339 00:22:35,771 --> 00:22:37,564 The owners, General Public Utilities, 340 00:22:37,647 --> 00:22:40,901 have asked the NRC for permission to restart Unit 1. 341 00:22:40,984 --> 00:22:42,152 And at this point, 342 00:22:42,235 --> 00:22:48,075 the standing of GPU, of Bechtel, of Met-Ed in the community is very low. 343 00:22:48,158 --> 00:22:51,495 A local referendum showed that, by more than two to one, 344 00:22:51,578 --> 00:22:55,707 people in the area are opposed to the reopening of the power plant. 345 00:22:56,291 --> 00:22:58,585 That was the prevailing public sentiment, 346 00:22:58,668 --> 00:23:03,173 "We don't want this plant restarted." And opposition coalesced. 347 00:23:03,256 --> 00:23:07,010 No, no, we won't go! No, no, we won't go! 348 00:23:08,220 --> 00:23:11,765 When I found out that they wanted to restart Unit 1, 349 00:23:11,848 --> 00:23:14,476 I joined a group along with my friend Paula 350 00:23:14,559 --> 00:23:18,063 called PANE, "People Against Nuclear Energy." 351 00:23:18,146 --> 00:23:23,360 Gentlemen, we live in the daily repercussions of this accident. 352 00:23:24,152 --> 00:23:29,282 Daily ventings, the storage of high-level waste on that island, 353 00:23:29,366 --> 00:23:32,244 and the total incompetence of GPU. 354 00:23:33,578 --> 00:23:36,748 Every Sunday, I went to the island. 355 00:23:36,832 --> 00:23:41,920 I would be at the gate with a sign to keep Unit 1 from going back online. 356 00:23:42,003 --> 00:23:45,757 No restart! No restart! No restart! 357 00:23:45,841 --> 00:23:49,136 After we had become active in the community, 358 00:23:49,219 --> 00:23:52,889 I saw government cars would come and write down license plates 359 00:23:52,973 --> 00:23:55,267 of people that were in these meetings. 360 00:23:59,354 --> 00:24:02,732 I naively said to Paula, "Why are they here?" 361 00:24:02,816 --> 00:24:03,984 You know, I said, 362 00:24:04,067 --> 00:24:07,571 "Look, you're bein' paranoid. We're small fish in the sea." 363 00:24:08,488 --> 00:24:09,489 So naive. 364 00:24:10,574 --> 00:24:12,075 It really frightened me. 365 00:24:12,159 --> 00:24:16,413 And so I called Eric Epstein in Middletown at their meeting headquarters. 366 00:24:18,707 --> 00:24:20,625 I said, "Eric, do you hear that?" 367 00:24:20,709 --> 00:24:23,712 He goes, "Yeah, Joyce, our phones are being tapped." 368 00:24:25,589 --> 00:24:29,009 The main driver here is still makin' money. 369 00:24:29,092 --> 00:24:31,595 These companies went to any lengths, 370 00:24:31,678 --> 00:24:35,223 any lengths to make sure that Three Mile Island Unit 1 would restart. 371 00:24:37,476 --> 00:24:41,480 I didn't want my kids exposed to anything else. 372 00:24:41,563 --> 00:24:44,774 I did not want that plant to reopen more than anything. 373 00:24:45,734 --> 00:24:48,570 That has been the driving force of both of us. 374 00:24:49,654 --> 00:24:52,032 I really wanted to be able... 375 00:24:55,494 --> 00:24:57,787 ...to look my children in the eye 376 00:24:57,871 --> 00:25:00,373 and tell them I had done my very best, 377 00:25:01,208 --> 00:25:04,920 that I had really tried to make sure that they were safe. 378 00:25:06,338 --> 00:25:09,007 That was the thing that meant the most to me. 379 00:25:12,219 --> 00:25:15,764 Is it possible that you're going to have a billion-dollar mausoleum? 380 00:25:15,847 --> 00:25:21,311 The people of this area are rightfully skeptical about this facility. 381 00:25:21,394 --> 00:25:23,855 And the burden of proof lies with those who would... 382 00:25:23,939 --> 00:25:26,441 an extraordinarily heavy burden of proof, 383 00:25:26,525 --> 00:25:29,486 lies with those who would reactivate this facility. 384 00:25:30,987 --> 00:25:34,533 Previously, I thought that people wavin' their arms in the air 385 00:25:34,616 --> 00:25:36,409 and sayin' "no nukes" and all that, 386 00:25:36,493 --> 00:25:41,665 I thought they were really uneducated to how safe the plant was. 387 00:25:41,748 --> 00:25:44,251 But what started changin' my mind 388 00:25:44,334 --> 00:25:47,337 was my experiences at Three Mile Island. 389 00:25:48,713 --> 00:25:51,007 And then when I lived in Middletown, 390 00:25:51,091 --> 00:25:55,303 I thought the people there were amongst the nicest people I've ever met. 391 00:25:55,387 --> 00:25:59,599 And I was introduced to Betty Quackenbush, and I started dating her. 392 00:26:01,810 --> 00:26:06,189 Her daughter was catchin' the bus on the mornin' of the accident 393 00:26:06,273 --> 00:26:08,942 within 1,000 yards of Unit 2 reactor. 394 00:26:09,609 --> 00:26:11,319 There, that's me. 395 00:26:13,488 --> 00:26:17,784 My mom met Rick Parks when I was ten, almost eleven. 396 00:26:18,493 --> 00:26:20,287 Pictures of Rick and my mother. 397 00:26:21,496 --> 00:26:23,540 I took to him right away. 398 00:26:23,623 --> 00:26:27,627 He had that accent that I liked with a little twang. 399 00:26:27,711 --> 00:26:29,504 That's what I said, "You're twangin'." 400 00:26:29,588 --> 00:26:32,340 Oh, my gosh. It's so long ago. 401 00:26:33,049 --> 00:26:35,135 He came into our lives 402 00:26:35,218 --> 00:26:39,306 and made the family unit that I've always wanted. 403 00:26:41,808 --> 00:26:45,604 Nikki was the closest thing to a daughter I'll ever have. 404 00:26:45,687 --> 00:26:49,691 And so I tried to be as much of a father to her as I could. 405 00:26:51,318 --> 00:26:54,696 I knew that Rick worked at Three Mile Island. 406 00:26:54,779 --> 00:26:59,534 And one of the things that I really started going back to 407 00:26:59,618 --> 00:27:02,329 is I always had these re-occurring nightmares. 408 00:27:03,913 --> 00:27:07,751 Nikki told me a lot about her fears with Three Mile Island. 409 00:27:08,335 --> 00:27:12,130 She did tell me one time that she wasn't as worried about it anymore 410 00:27:12,213 --> 00:27:14,341 because she knew I'd take care of 'em. 411 00:27:21,056 --> 00:27:24,184 Definitely reminded me, "Be responsible." 412 00:27:24,267 --> 00:27:28,813 You had to show unfailing protection for the general public. 413 00:27:31,941 --> 00:27:37,113 And at that time, Bechtel was going forward with the polar crane. 414 00:27:37,906 --> 00:27:41,034 Myself, Ed Gischel, and Larry King 415 00:27:41,117 --> 00:27:46,289 were asking them to review everything with an approach to overall safety. 416 00:27:47,666 --> 00:27:50,210 But Bechtel did not wanna hear anything. 417 00:27:50,293 --> 00:27:52,003 So Larry said, "Well..." 418 00:27:53,171 --> 00:27:54,422 "Go tell the NRC." 419 00:27:55,674 --> 00:27:56,716 So, I did. 420 00:28:00,762 --> 00:28:03,723 Parks felt that they weren't following the procedures well, 421 00:28:03,807 --> 00:28:07,268 that there could be an explosion of some sort. It's not safe. 422 00:28:07,352 --> 00:28:09,771 Bad things are gonna happen when they use that crane. 423 00:28:09,854 --> 00:28:13,149 I think I looked at it, and I didn't agree with him, okay? 424 00:28:13,233 --> 00:28:18,405 And if the merits of the argument don't warrant action, I'm done with 'em. 425 00:28:19,114 --> 00:28:23,368 The head NRC agent on site, Lake Barrett, was lettin' 'em get away with it, 426 00:28:23,451 --> 00:28:26,413 sayin', "We're gonna do this with Bechtel construction, 427 00:28:26,496 --> 00:28:28,289 and the Nuclear Regulatory Commission 428 00:28:28,373 --> 00:28:30,917 can take their silly-ass rules and shove 'em." 429 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:36,840 And whatever he told me, I didn't, obviously... go along with it. 430 00:28:36,923 --> 00:28:38,425 He may not have liked it. 431 00:28:38,508 --> 00:28:41,028 He said, "Because of the procedures of this and this and this..." 432 00:28:41,052 --> 00:28:44,973 And I did not go into the drama and the soap operas 433 00:28:45,056 --> 00:28:47,142 about whose procedures were the better procedures. 434 00:28:48,476 --> 00:28:50,687 We certainly want them to speak their piece. 435 00:28:50,770 --> 00:28:52,564 But we analyzed what he had to say. 436 00:28:52,647 --> 00:28:55,442 I was satisfied that that crane was safe enough. 437 00:28:55,525 --> 00:28:57,569 Now, is it zero risk? Never zero. 438 00:28:57,652 --> 00:29:02,031 Okay? Was it acceptable risk to move forward and defuel? Yes. 439 00:29:02,115 --> 00:29:03,783 And therefore I approved it. 440 00:29:04,617 --> 00:29:06,995 I asked him for confidentiality. 441 00:29:07,078 --> 00:29:10,457 But Lake Barrett compromised my identity to Bechtel... 442 00:29:11,207 --> 00:29:12,834 intentionally. 443 00:29:12,917 --> 00:29:15,712 No, I did not. It's a small place, right? 444 00:29:15,795 --> 00:29:18,882 Kind of, people know that he, he had a problem with it. 445 00:29:18,965 --> 00:29:22,552 Would it be a secret that he probably came to see me? Probably not. 446 00:29:22,635 --> 00:29:23,636 Okay? 447 00:29:25,138 --> 00:29:27,557 If you got the head guy on the NRC 448 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:31,478 playin' patty-cake with the utility and lettin' 'em run wild, 449 00:29:31,561 --> 00:29:33,229 how can you trust the NRC? 450 00:29:33,313 --> 00:29:36,357 You'd have to have a camera on both corners of their mouth 451 00:29:36,441 --> 00:29:39,235 to figure out which one they were lying out of. 452 00:29:39,319 --> 00:29:41,654 Having the NRC watch nuclear plants 453 00:29:41,738 --> 00:29:43,907 is like having a fox watch the hen house 454 00:29:43,990 --> 00:29:46,034 They're not regulating the industry. 455 00:29:46,117 --> 00:29:48,536 They're hand-in-hand with the damn Bechtel. 456 00:29:51,915 --> 00:29:57,045 And then Bechtel came to me on the use of the polar crane and said, 457 00:29:57,128 --> 00:30:00,340 "What am I worried about? The NRC says it's okay." 458 00:30:01,299 --> 00:30:02,342 "You ought to sign off." 459 00:30:02,926 --> 00:30:05,178 And I refused to sign off on it. 460 00:30:05,261 --> 00:30:07,138 So I was actually, uh... 461 00:30:07,931 --> 00:30:10,975 stoppin' progress, stoppin' 'em from gettin' their money. 462 00:30:12,477 --> 00:30:13,477 They fired him. 463 00:30:15,522 --> 00:30:17,774 That is how they handle dissent. 464 00:30:21,236 --> 00:30:23,738 There were intimidation factors with Gischel too. 465 00:30:24,322 --> 00:30:27,659 After he identified the problem with the polar crane, 466 00:30:27,742 --> 00:30:29,327 they wanted to get rid of him. 467 00:30:29,911 --> 00:30:33,998 They ordered Ed Gischel to a psychological evaluation 468 00:30:34,082 --> 00:30:36,584 and not allowed to come back on the job site until he, 469 00:30:36,668 --> 00:30:39,838 "passed the psychological evaluation." 470 00:30:39,921 --> 00:30:41,130 Now, that sounds to me 471 00:30:41,214 --> 00:30:45,343 like the Stalinist tactics I read about when I was studying history. 472 00:30:47,512 --> 00:30:49,514 I knew my days were numbered. 473 00:30:54,477 --> 00:30:57,605 Got up the next morning to go out and go to work. 474 00:30:57,689 --> 00:30:59,649 My van wouldn't start. 475 00:31:01,276 --> 00:31:03,695 I look at the battery cables, and sure enough, 476 00:31:03,778 --> 00:31:06,281 the negative cable is just a little bit loose. 477 00:31:09,617 --> 00:31:13,204 So I go to get my little toolbox beneath the passenger seat 478 00:31:14,122 --> 00:31:15,415 and what do I find? 479 00:31:16,457 --> 00:31:18,084 A bag of marijuana. 480 00:31:19,294 --> 00:31:21,170 I mean, there is a Santa Claus, 481 00:31:21,254 --> 00:31:24,716 but he never dropped pot in my house or my van before come Christmas time, 482 00:31:24,799 --> 00:31:26,175 and it wasn't Christmas time. 483 00:31:26,259 --> 00:31:29,095 So, I took the pot in the house and flushed it. 484 00:31:36,603 --> 00:31:38,146 And then, sure enough, 485 00:31:38,229 --> 00:31:41,316 as I'm drivin' on the island that day, I'm waved over. 486 00:31:43,693 --> 00:31:45,320 I had never been searched. 487 00:31:45,403 --> 00:31:46,403 Never. 488 00:31:48,281 --> 00:31:52,285 They were settin' me up to be fired 489 00:31:53,286 --> 00:31:54,787 with no recourse. 490 00:31:59,125 --> 00:32:00,501 That same day, 491 00:32:00,585 --> 00:32:04,505 all of my positions of authority in the reactor building polar crane 492 00:32:04,589 --> 00:32:08,051 were removed from me by Bechtel management. 493 00:32:08,134 --> 00:32:12,805 So, I no longer had anything that I could stop them with. 494 00:32:15,475 --> 00:32:18,019 I was the one that was the danger 495 00:32:18,102 --> 00:32:20,813 because I had put it in writin' to the NRC 496 00:32:20,897 --> 00:32:24,317 that this is an unreviewed nuclear safety question. 497 00:32:26,319 --> 00:32:29,030 And when I left work that day, I was scared. 498 00:32:29,906 --> 00:32:33,368 And when I walked in, Betty took one look at me and said, 499 00:32:33,451 --> 00:32:34,994 "What is wrong?" 500 00:32:35,578 --> 00:32:38,498 And I told her, "I think I need an attorney." 501 00:32:38,581 --> 00:32:40,541 "I think I'm in trouble at work." 502 00:32:47,215 --> 00:32:50,301 I was working late, and I got a phone call. 503 00:32:50,885 --> 00:32:53,429 I answered, "Hello, Government Accountability Project." 504 00:32:53,513 --> 00:32:56,140 The voice on the other end of the phone said, 505 00:32:56,224 --> 00:32:57,892 "I'm not gonna tell you who I am." 506 00:33:01,187 --> 00:33:05,400 He said that he had significant issues at a nuclear plant. 507 00:33:05,483 --> 00:33:07,568 He wasn't gonna tell me the name of the plant. 508 00:33:08,361 --> 00:33:09,361 But he needed help. 509 00:33:13,366 --> 00:33:16,744 At that time, the Government Accountability Project, or GAP, 510 00:33:16,828 --> 00:33:20,707 was the leading organization representing nuclear whistleblowers, 511 00:33:20,790 --> 00:33:25,336 and I persuaded him that if there were issues of that big significance, 512 00:33:25,420 --> 00:33:27,588 I was willing to meet with him that night. 513 00:33:30,883 --> 00:33:35,013 He told me the name of a bar, and he would be sitting at the bar, 514 00:33:35,096 --> 00:33:37,181 wearing an oxblood leather jacket 515 00:33:37,265 --> 00:33:40,059 and holding a tube of engineering drawings. 516 00:33:58,327 --> 00:34:01,581 I introduced myself, and then I just sat there for a while, 517 00:34:01,664 --> 00:34:03,041 and he didn't say anything. 518 00:34:05,418 --> 00:34:06,919 And I thought, "Okay." 519 00:34:07,795 --> 00:34:10,631 This is not going well. 520 00:34:12,300 --> 00:34:16,387 Billie was my first contact with the Government Accountability Project. 521 00:34:16,471 --> 00:34:19,557 And I know I was cagey with her because, 522 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:20,641 for all I know, 523 00:34:20,725 --> 00:34:23,603 you could be the biggest anti-nuclear organization in the world, 524 00:34:23,686 --> 00:34:25,313 and here I'm gonna give you something 525 00:34:25,396 --> 00:34:27,607 that's gonna slap the nuclear industry around. 526 00:34:28,649 --> 00:34:30,818 He was incredibly nervous. 527 00:34:30,902 --> 00:34:32,653 But when he finished his beer, he said, 528 00:34:32,737 --> 00:34:35,406 "Okay, let's go talk." And we went to a booth. 529 00:34:37,158 --> 00:34:41,412 It didn't take long for me to find out that she too was a whistleblower. 530 00:34:42,538 --> 00:34:43,623 In my own case, 531 00:34:43,706 --> 00:34:48,086 my boss threatened to see to it that I lost custody of my kids 532 00:34:48,169 --> 00:34:50,630 if I ever exposed what he did. 533 00:34:50,713 --> 00:34:54,092 And it happened. I lost custody of my children for a year. 534 00:34:54,675 --> 00:34:59,472 And I'm thinkin', "This woman is someone to respect." 535 00:35:00,348 --> 00:35:01,974 "Someone to admire." 536 00:35:03,267 --> 00:35:06,104 And I threw the dice. 537 00:35:09,649 --> 00:35:13,736 Rick rolled out the drawings and started to explain to me 538 00:35:13,820 --> 00:35:15,863 what was supposed to have been inspected 539 00:35:15,947 --> 00:35:19,992 to ensure that the polar crane had survived all those years 540 00:35:20,076 --> 00:35:23,704 in a highly-radioactive environment and would still work. 541 00:35:24,539 --> 00:35:28,876 The documents not only contained proof that it was a potential problem, 542 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,838 but the proof that his management team knew about it 543 00:35:31,921 --> 00:35:34,924 and were determined to proceed anyway. 544 00:35:35,007 --> 00:35:37,343 It's the kind of document you look at and you go, 545 00:35:37,426 --> 00:35:39,178 "Somebody's going to jail for this." 546 00:35:40,805 --> 00:35:43,474 I explained, "We're runnin' out of time." 547 00:35:44,559 --> 00:35:46,394 "If we screw this up, 548 00:35:47,854 --> 00:35:49,730 we won't have a second chance." 549 00:35:51,649 --> 00:35:56,237 The NRC commissioners were scheduled to vote next week 550 00:35:56,320 --> 00:36:00,408 on whether or not to allow the cleanup to proceed. 551 00:36:00,992 --> 00:36:02,618 We had five days. 552 00:36:02,702 --> 00:36:04,579 And so I try to persuade him 553 00:36:04,662 --> 00:36:08,082 that he was gonna have to do more than just talk to me. 554 00:36:08,166 --> 00:36:13,713 It's not a happy existence when you make yourself known to people, 555 00:36:13,796 --> 00:36:17,592 and you cast a very negative light on their actions. 556 00:36:18,092 --> 00:36:21,554 People tend to wanna come after you with a little bit of hurt in their eyes. 557 00:36:23,890 --> 00:36:28,311 It was a legitimate fear in their decision-making process 558 00:36:28,394 --> 00:36:30,479 about whether or not to go forward. 559 00:36:31,439 --> 00:36:34,609 I mean, I would say at least half of the workers that I've represented 560 00:36:34,692 --> 00:36:37,361 over the years from the nuclear power industry 561 00:36:37,445 --> 00:36:41,532 at some point early in their disclosures 562 00:36:41,616 --> 00:36:43,826 say, "I don't wanna be the next Karen Silkwood." 563 00:36:51,459 --> 00:36:54,587 Karen Silkwood was a 28-year-old union activist 564 00:36:54,670 --> 00:36:56,339 in November 1974, 565 00:36:56,422 --> 00:37:00,551 working here at Kerr-McGee's Cimarron facility as a lab technician. 566 00:37:01,677 --> 00:37:06,515 Karen Silkwood had worked at a nuclear facility in Oklahoma 567 00:37:06,599 --> 00:37:11,520 and was reporting issues about the failure to keep workers safe. 568 00:37:11,604 --> 00:37:14,482 Silkwood died in a car crash on this road, 569 00:37:14,565 --> 00:37:16,984 on her way to meet a New York Times reporter. 570 00:37:17,068 --> 00:37:20,071 She had concerns about excess radiation. 571 00:37:20,154 --> 00:37:23,866 And when she was on her way to meet with this newspaper reporter 572 00:37:23,950 --> 00:37:27,286 to give proof of her allegations, 573 00:37:27,370 --> 00:37:29,121 she died in a car wreck. 574 00:37:29,622 --> 00:37:31,249 A single-car car wreck. 575 00:37:34,043 --> 00:37:37,797 The late Karen Silkwood found contaminated with plutonium. 576 00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,841 Traces of radiation poisoning showed up in her blood. 577 00:37:40,925 --> 00:37:43,552 Her supporters say the car was run off the road, 578 00:37:43,636 --> 00:37:45,388 and the documents disappeared. 579 00:37:46,013 --> 00:37:48,099 Sure does make you wonder. 580 00:37:49,058 --> 00:37:52,311 Whether she was murdered or not, her death is fuel for an issue 581 00:37:52,395 --> 00:37:55,022 that is still hot with controversy in this country: 582 00:37:55,106 --> 00:37:57,525 The safety of nuclear power plants. 583 00:37:58,192 --> 00:38:00,903 There were a lot of people that were threatened, 584 00:38:00,987 --> 00:38:05,199 intimidated by various utilities across the country. 585 00:38:06,826 --> 00:38:09,078 It can cost you your life. 586 00:38:11,330 --> 00:38:14,083 The Karen Silkwood case was still goin' on in litigation, 587 00:38:14,166 --> 00:38:17,545 and it was still a high-profile discussion. 588 00:38:17,628 --> 00:38:22,633 So, the ghost of Karen Silkwood's death created a culture of fear. 589 00:38:27,263 --> 00:38:29,473 Meeting with Billie was a blur. 590 00:38:30,182 --> 00:38:34,353 But she reassured me enough that I was willing to go down 591 00:38:34,437 --> 00:38:38,024 and talk to Tom Devine, the legal director of GAP. 592 00:38:41,736 --> 00:38:43,612 At the Government Accountability Project, 593 00:38:43,696 --> 00:38:46,991 we worked on around 8,000 cases supporting whistleblowers. 594 00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:53,039 Rick was something exceptional because the stakes were much higher here. 595 00:38:53,706 --> 00:38:55,541 There was a greater sense of urgency 596 00:38:55,624 --> 00:38:57,835 than anything that I've ever worked on before. 597 00:39:02,423 --> 00:39:07,011 Bechtel had scheduled the head lift for five days after I met Rick. 598 00:39:10,264 --> 00:39:14,393 If the polar crane dropped the reactor vessel head in the wrong spots, 599 00:39:14,477 --> 00:39:16,354 that would trigger a meltdown 600 00:39:16,437 --> 00:39:20,149 that could take out Philadelphia, New York City, and Washington DC, 601 00:39:20,232 --> 00:39:24,528 the East Coast of the United States might not be habitable indefinitely. 602 00:39:26,864 --> 00:39:29,116 We're on the verge of an apocalypse. 603 00:39:31,285 --> 00:39:32,965 We started working on the affidavit, 604 00:39:32,995 --> 00:39:35,539 and we worked on it non-stop all weekend. 605 00:39:35,623 --> 00:39:37,541 Non-stop. 606 00:39:43,255 --> 00:39:45,466 We finished the affidavit to present 607 00:39:45,549 --> 00:39:47,510 to the Nuclear Regulatory Commission. 608 00:39:47,593 --> 00:39:52,973 But, for Rick, knowing what was going to happen next was unclear to him. 609 00:39:53,974 --> 00:39:54,975 Tom says, 610 00:39:55,059 --> 00:39:58,854 "Well, I think, maybe you should consider going public with this information." 611 00:40:00,856 --> 00:40:04,068 It would have been the death knell of the nuclear industry. 612 00:40:07,405 --> 00:40:09,156 That was the big irony. 613 00:40:09,782 --> 00:40:12,451 Rick deeply believed in nuclear power. 614 00:40:12,535 --> 00:40:16,580 I mean, it was his loyalty to the technology that drove him. 615 00:40:18,124 --> 00:40:22,503 His disclosure would mean permanent blacklisting in the nuclear industry. 616 00:40:24,713 --> 00:40:27,425 That's the way organizations react to whistleblowers. 617 00:40:27,508 --> 00:40:30,136 They're a threat, and they have to be destroyed. 618 00:40:35,182 --> 00:40:40,479 Bechtel and General Public Utilities would stop at nothing to silence him. 619 00:40:48,529 --> 00:40:51,323 I've wondered, "Why did I do this?" 620 00:40:51,407 --> 00:40:53,242 "Is it worth my career?" 621 00:40:53,325 --> 00:40:55,327 "Is it worth going public?" 622 00:40:56,120 --> 00:41:01,250 I was very concerned, worried. 623 00:41:02,001 --> 00:41:06,380 And when I tried to explain to Betty what had been going on at work, 624 00:41:06,464 --> 00:41:08,841 and that I was thinkin' of going public, 625 00:41:08,924 --> 00:41:12,428 it was a very tense and difficult discussion 626 00:41:12,511 --> 00:41:15,014 because she was scared. 627 00:41:15,806 --> 00:41:19,393 She wanted me just to quit and walk away. 628 00:41:20,519 --> 00:41:23,606 But I just could not get her to understand 629 00:41:24,273 --> 00:41:27,193 the potential significance of what could happen. 630 00:41:30,237 --> 00:41:33,282 You could feel like there would be a little bit of tension, 631 00:41:33,365 --> 00:41:38,662 but they never really expressed, like, exactly what was going on. 632 00:41:40,206 --> 00:41:41,999 You know, we always felt safe, 633 00:41:42,082 --> 00:41:45,628 and we had that family unit that we all wanted. 634 00:41:45,711 --> 00:41:47,838 And when... 635 00:41:52,343 --> 00:41:57,056 When things started to change, so did the family, and the relationship. 636 00:42:00,100 --> 00:42:03,020 I loved her. I did not want to lose her. 637 00:42:04,188 --> 00:42:06,065 And I definitely loved the kids. 638 00:42:17,993 --> 00:42:20,162 So, I picked up my sons, 639 00:42:20,246 --> 00:42:24,291 came home, and as we were walking to my apartment, 640 00:42:25,376 --> 00:42:27,628 I noticed my door was slightly ajar. 641 00:42:28,254 --> 00:42:30,548 It was unlocked. It was open. 642 00:42:35,302 --> 00:42:39,056 I knew then that somebody had been in my apartment. 643 00:42:41,016 --> 00:42:44,603 That's why I made my boys wait downstairs with my neighbor. 644 00:43:08,002 --> 00:43:11,422 My intent to go into my room was, "That's where my guns were." 645 00:43:20,598 --> 00:43:23,559 I walked down the hallway to where the bathrooms were, 646 00:43:23,642 --> 00:43:25,936 and my sons' bedroom, and my bedroom. 647 00:43:28,939 --> 00:43:32,901 I just kinda kicked the doors open to see what was in there. 648 00:43:36,447 --> 00:43:38,866 By that time, I knew the apartment was empty. 649 00:43:38,949 --> 00:43:40,659 No person in there. 650 00:43:41,410 --> 00:43:43,621 It did not appear that there was anything taken. 651 00:43:43,704 --> 00:43:46,248 The TV was there. Stereo was there. 652 00:43:48,500 --> 00:43:55,299 But they had gone through the closet where I had my paperwork stored. 653 00:43:56,550 --> 00:43:58,302 It was patently obvious. 654 00:43:58,385 --> 00:44:01,930 The only thing they were interested in was documentation. 655 00:44:03,515 --> 00:44:06,101 If I had left the documentation there 656 00:44:06,185 --> 00:44:08,812 that I took to Tom Devine in Washington, DC, 657 00:44:08,896 --> 00:44:10,731 I could not have proven anything. 658 00:44:13,651 --> 00:44:15,444 I talked to the lady downstairs. 659 00:44:15,527 --> 00:44:17,946 She confirmed she heard someone in my apartment 660 00:44:18,030 --> 00:44:21,575 the night before while I was gone, and my boys were not home. 661 00:44:22,409 --> 00:44:25,829 That scared me beyond reason for my family's life, 662 00:44:25,913 --> 00:44:28,332 after my apartment was broken into. 663 00:44:28,415 --> 00:44:30,793 I took that as a message that, 664 00:44:30,876 --> 00:44:34,421 "Your sons are vulnerable, and we will get you through them." 665 00:44:35,547 --> 00:44:37,925 That's exactly how I took that. 666 00:44:38,008 --> 00:44:40,260 And that made me an enemy for life. 667 00:44:41,637 --> 00:44:43,681 Because you don't threaten my sons. 668 00:44:44,598 --> 00:44:46,058 That's a step too far. 669 00:44:48,310 --> 00:44:49,937 I will kill for them... 670 00:44:51,980 --> 00:44:53,357 and not hesitate. 671 00:45:06,954 --> 00:45:10,999 I knew that they were out for blood, and they weren't gonna stop. 672 00:45:15,671 --> 00:45:18,882 It was the determination to not let 'em get away with it. 673 00:45:19,717 --> 00:45:21,885 I mean, I didn't know what else I could do. 674 00:45:25,264 --> 00:45:28,642 I would tell the world what I thought they needed to know 675 00:45:28,726 --> 00:45:30,436 before they were goin' to do it, 676 00:45:31,353 --> 00:45:32,730 and I went public. 58774

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