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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:09,487 --> 00:00:11,533 In the criminal justice system, 2 00:00:11,533 --> 00:00:12,838 the people are represented 3 00:00:12,838 --> 00:00:15,363 by two separate, yet equally important groups: 4 00:00:15,363 --> 00:00:17,147 the police, who investigate crime, 5 00:00:17,147 --> 00:00:20,107 and the district attorneys, who prosecute the offenders. 6 00:00:20,107 --> 00:00:22,370 These are their stories. 7 00:00:22,370 --> 00:00:25,025 ♪ Okay, stress me on checkers or chess ♪ 8 00:00:25,025 --> 00:00:28,245 ♪ I don't play by the rules if you guessed it ♪ 9 00:00:28,245 --> 00:00:30,769 ♪ We about to run it up, run it up ♪ 10 00:00:30,769 --> 00:00:34,643 ♪ We about to run it up, run it up, run ♪ 11 00:00:34,643 --> 00:00:37,167 ♪ We about to run it up, run it up ♪ 12 00:00:51,660 --> 00:00:53,575 Hell of a way to start your day, huh? 13 00:00:53,575 --> 00:00:55,794 Yeah, I'm not sure it's actually started yet. 14 00:00:55,794 --> 00:00:57,057 Not a morning person? 15 00:00:57,057 --> 00:00:58,449 Oh, I love a morning. 16 00:00:58,449 --> 00:01:01,713 4:00 a.m.? Still last night. 17 00:01:01,713 --> 00:01:02,758 What are we looking at? 18 00:01:02,758 --> 00:01:05,195 Oh, DOA, took one in the chest. 19 00:01:05,195 --> 00:01:06,979 No wallet, no phone. 20 00:01:06,979 --> 00:01:09,156 Bodega owner down the street heard the shot around 2:00 a.m. 21 00:01:09,156 --> 00:01:10,896 and called it in but didn't see anything. 22 00:01:10,896 --> 00:01:12,333 Okay. 23 00:01:12,333 --> 00:01:13,725 Pricey clothes. 24 00:01:13,725 --> 00:01:15,162 Bet he had an expensive watch too. 25 00:01:15,162 --> 00:01:16,511 Yeah. 26 00:01:16,511 --> 00:01:17,816 Could be looking at an old-fashioned robbery. 27 00:01:17,816 --> 00:01:19,296 - Maybe. - Detectives. 28 00:01:19,296 --> 00:01:20,863 We found this in the bushes over there. 29 00:01:20,863 --> 00:01:22,952 - Thank you. - Empty. 30 00:01:22,952 --> 00:01:25,955 So the killer took the cash, tossed the wallet. 31 00:01:25,955 --> 00:01:27,435 Evan Marks. 32 00:01:29,132 --> 00:01:31,787 - The tech guy. - CEO of VenZip? 33 00:01:31,787 --> 00:01:34,877 Damn, VenZip is how I pay for everything these days. 34 00:01:34,877 --> 00:01:36,531 You don't use it? - No, man. 35 00:01:36,531 --> 00:01:38,489 I'm not trusting my bank info to an app. 36 00:01:40,317 --> 00:01:43,103 Okay, so the headquarters is across the street. 37 00:01:43,103 --> 00:01:45,757 He's at the office late. 38 00:01:45,757 --> 00:01:48,412 The guy's a billionaire, bragging about the fact 39 00:01:48,412 --> 00:01:51,241 that he's about to single- handedly make cash obsolete. 40 00:01:51,241 --> 00:01:52,808 So what's a guy like that doing at an ATM 41 00:01:52,808 --> 00:01:54,157 at 2:00 in the morning? 42 00:02:43,685 --> 00:02:45,469 Bank records confirm Evan Marks 43 00:02:45,469 --> 00:02:47,645 made a withdrawal from the ATM just before the shooting. 44 00:02:47,645 --> 00:02:48,690 Thanks. 45 00:02:48,690 --> 00:02:51,519 2 grand, maximum amount allowed. 46 00:02:51,519 --> 00:02:53,216 That's a lot of money for that hour of night. 47 00:02:53,216 --> 00:02:54,652 Mm. 48 00:02:54,652 --> 00:02:56,350 We're agreeing to call it night now. 49 00:02:56,350 --> 00:02:58,569 Hey, does anyone know who James Sawyer is? 50 00:02:58,569 --> 00:03:00,267 Yeah, he's like a god in the tech world. 51 00:03:00,267 --> 00:03:02,530 Well, apparently, he is also a co-founder 52 00:03:02,530 --> 00:03:04,053 of our vic's company. 53 00:03:04,053 --> 00:03:06,447 Evan Marks and James Sawyer are like the dream team 54 00:03:06,447 --> 00:03:09,493 of Silicon Valley-- or at least they were. 55 00:03:09,493 --> 00:03:11,887 Well, Sawyer just posted this on his social media. 56 00:03:11,887 --> 00:03:14,498 "Evan Marks was one of the greatest minds 57 00:03:14,498 --> 00:03:17,371 "of our generation. The NYPD should be ashamed. 58 00:03:17,371 --> 00:03:19,373 "Violent street crime is out of control, 59 00:03:19,373 --> 00:03:22,550 and Evan's blood is on their hands." 60 00:03:22,550 --> 00:03:24,682 So Marks's murder is somehow our fault now? 61 00:03:24,682 --> 00:03:27,511 Well, apparently, according to James Sawyer, it is. 62 00:03:27,511 --> 00:03:29,383 And that guy has got millions of followers 63 00:03:29,383 --> 00:03:30,949 that worship him as a genius. 64 00:03:30,949 --> 00:03:33,691 And every one of them is reposting this nonsense. 65 00:03:33,691 --> 00:03:35,693 Look, we gotta wrap this up. What do we got? 66 00:03:35,693 --> 00:03:37,652 We tried pinging Marks's stolen phone, 67 00:03:37,652 --> 00:03:39,828 but we didn't get anything. Killer likely turned it off. 68 00:03:39,828 --> 00:03:42,222 Still canvassing for video, but so far, nothing. 69 00:03:42,222 --> 00:03:43,962 But he still slipped up. 70 00:03:43,962 --> 00:03:45,355 Techs were able to lift a partial print 71 00:03:45,355 --> 00:03:48,010 from Marks's wallet, and I got a hit. 72 00:03:48,010 --> 00:03:50,404 Blake Hughes, also known as G-Ticket. 73 00:03:50,404 --> 00:03:52,101 - G-Ticket? - He's a rapper. 74 00:03:52,101 --> 00:03:55,104 And it actually looks like he's pretty popular on SoundCloud. 75 00:03:55,104 --> 00:03:58,020 But what is of interest is his list of priors-- 76 00:03:58,020 --> 00:04:01,415 possession with intent to sell, aggravated assault, 77 00:04:01,415 --> 00:04:02,938 robbery in the first degree. 78 00:04:02,938 --> 00:04:04,766 Go, go. 79 00:04:15,124 --> 00:04:17,909 That part was fire. 80 00:04:17,909 --> 00:04:19,215 Yo, yo, yo. What's going on? Can I help you? 81 00:04:19,215 --> 00:04:20,521 Yeah, NYPD, my guy. 82 00:04:20,521 --> 00:04:22,087 We need to talk to your friend right there. 83 00:04:24,568 --> 00:04:26,614 - Come on. Let's go. - Oh, come on. 84 00:04:28,964 --> 00:04:30,792 - Hey! - Yo! 85 00:04:40,323 --> 00:04:42,891 Get off me! 86 00:04:42,891 --> 00:04:44,327 I ain't done nothing. - Yeah? 87 00:04:44,327 --> 00:04:45,372 Well, we both know that's not true. 88 00:04:45,372 --> 00:04:47,112 Just stop, all right? Stop. 89 00:04:47,112 --> 00:04:48,375 Stop. 90 00:04:51,595 --> 00:04:52,727 Give me your arm. Give me your arm. 91 00:04:52,727 --> 00:04:54,990 Well, this looks like 2,000 bucks. 92 00:04:54,990 --> 00:04:59,255 Blake Hughes, you're under arrest. 93 00:04:59,255 --> 00:05:01,126 We know it was you. 94 00:05:01,126 --> 00:05:03,346 Your cell phone data puts you in the Meatpacking District 95 00:05:03,346 --> 00:05:04,869 last night, right around the area 96 00:05:04,869 --> 00:05:06,088 Marks was murdered. 97 00:05:06,088 --> 00:05:07,524 We got your fingerprints on his wallet. 98 00:05:07,524 --> 00:05:08,656 We caught you with his phone and his watch. 99 00:05:08,656 --> 00:05:10,484 Nah, man, that ain't it. 100 00:05:10,484 --> 00:05:14,226 Look, I was there, but... 101 00:05:14,226 --> 00:05:15,924 I knew the guy. We were friends. 102 00:05:15,924 --> 00:05:17,578 Oh, you and Evan Marks were friends. 103 00:05:17,578 --> 00:05:18,927 I gotta hear this one. 104 00:05:18,927 --> 00:05:20,668 We met last year at Coachella. 105 00:05:20,668 --> 00:05:22,017 He was a fan of my music. 106 00:05:22,017 --> 00:05:23,584 All right, so what were you doing 107 00:05:23,584 --> 00:05:25,412 outside his place of business at 2:00 a.m. last night? 108 00:05:25,412 --> 00:05:27,805 He asked me to come meet him. 109 00:05:27,805 --> 00:05:31,418 He--he would buy off of me sometimes. 110 00:05:31,418 --> 00:05:33,202 Dude love to party. 111 00:05:33,202 --> 00:05:34,638 I mean, party. 112 00:05:34,638 --> 00:05:36,640 Like, he wanted ketamine, acid, shrooms. 113 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:38,642 Okay, so you were there to sell him drugs. 114 00:05:38,642 --> 00:05:40,122 Just so we're clear, I'm out of that game. 115 00:05:40,122 --> 00:05:42,037 Clearly. 116 00:05:42,037 --> 00:05:44,213 I would make an exception for Evan. 117 00:05:44,213 --> 00:05:46,302 That stuff you found, I mean, I only had it 118 00:05:46,302 --> 00:05:49,479 because I wanted to stay on his good side, you know? 119 00:05:49,479 --> 00:05:53,178 Look, I was hoping he'd give me money to-- 120 00:05:53,178 --> 00:05:54,484 to produce my album. 121 00:05:54,484 --> 00:05:56,573 Okay, so just help me out. 122 00:05:56,573 --> 00:05:58,183 What went wrong? Why did you shoot him? 123 00:05:58,183 --> 00:05:59,402 I didn't. 124 00:05:59,402 --> 00:06:01,099 When I got there, he was already 125 00:06:01,099 --> 00:06:02,579 arguing with some other guy. 126 00:06:02,579 --> 00:06:04,494 So I didn't wanna get involved. 127 00:06:04,494 --> 00:06:06,409 I hung back, stayed out of sight. 128 00:06:06,409 --> 00:06:07,845 They started yelling at each other. 129 00:06:07,845 --> 00:06:09,630 Next thing I knew, there was a gunshot, 130 00:06:09,630 --> 00:06:11,327 and the other dude ran off. 131 00:06:11,327 --> 00:06:14,330 And how did you end up with Marks's money and his watch? 132 00:06:14,330 --> 00:06:17,507 After the guy ran away, I went to go check on Evan, 133 00:06:17,507 --> 00:06:19,335 see if he was okay. 134 00:06:19,335 --> 00:06:22,556 But he was already dead. 135 00:06:22,556 --> 00:06:25,472 So you're telling me you robbed your dead friend? 136 00:06:25,472 --> 00:06:28,518 Look, I'm not proud of it, but studio time is expensive. 137 00:06:28,518 --> 00:06:30,390 All right, in any event, 138 00:06:30,390 --> 00:06:31,434 you didn't happen to get a good look 139 00:06:31,434 --> 00:06:33,044 at this other guy, did you? 140 00:06:33,044 --> 00:06:36,613 No, but I did overhear some of their conversation. 141 00:06:36,613 --> 00:06:38,398 Their argument, they were-- 142 00:06:39,747 --> 00:06:42,227 They were fighting over a woman. 143 00:06:42,227 --> 00:06:43,490 What makes you say that? 144 00:06:43,490 --> 00:06:46,406 The dude said, "You turned her against me," 145 00:06:46,406 --> 00:06:47,885 or something like that. 146 00:06:47,885 --> 00:06:52,107 And Marks was all, "She doesn't need you anymore." 147 00:06:59,070 --> 00:07:00,550 We found some pretty raunchy texts 148 00:07:00,550 --> 00:07:02,639 between you and Evan Marks. 149 00:07:02,639 --> 00:07:05,120 What was the nature of your relationship with him? 150 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:06,164 Oh, God. 151 00:07:06,164 --> 00:07:08,340 I've known Evan forever. 152 00:07:08,340 --> 00:07:11,126 We first met in Aspen, I think. 153 00:07:11,126 --> 00:07:13,737 Were you two romantically involved? 154 00:07:13,737 --> 00:07:16,479 You mean, were we sleeping together? 155 00:07:16,479 --> 00:07:18,481 Yeah, sometimes. 156 00:07:18,481 --> 00:07:21,397 But we weren't dating or anything. 157 00:07:21,397 --> 00:07:24,792 It was just two friends exploring, 158 00:07:24,792 --> 00:07:26,881 finding joy together. 159 00:07:26,881 --> 00:07:29,187 You know anybody who might have been jealous of this joy? 160 00:07:29,187 --> 00:07:32,408 Jealous of me and Evan sleeping together? 161 00:07:32,408 --> 00:07:33,453 No. 162 00:07:33,453 --> 00:07:34,845 Hey, Lace. 163 00:07:34,845 --> 00:07:36,194 I have to be at the gallery till 3:00, 164 00:07:36,194 --> 00:07:38,458 so I picked us up some lunch. 165 00:07:38,458 --> 00:07:40,198 Afternoon. 166 00:07:40,198 --> 00:07:41,504 What's going on? 167 00:07:41,504 --> 00:07:45,508 Detective Riley. This is Detective Shaw. 168 00:07:45,508 --> 00:07:46,509 And you are? 169 00:07:46,509 --> 00:07:48,119 Craig Walsh. 170 00:07:48,119 --> 00:07:49,120 Is this about Evan? 171 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,166 It is. 172 00:07:51,166 --> 00:07:52,297 How well do you know him? 173 00:07:52,297 --> 00:07:53,734 Mm, well. 174 00:07:53,734 --> 00:07:54,996 He officiated our wedding. 175 00:07:57,651 --> 00:07:59,957 - You guys are married? - Yeah. 176 00:07:59,957 --> 00:08:03,961 Mr. Walsh, where were you last night around 2:00 a.m.? 177 00:08:07,095 --> 00:08:08,531 I want a lawyer. 178 00:08:10,272 --> 00:08:12,666 Magic word, okay. Call him to the precinct. 179 00:08:21,196 --> 00:08:22,763 Spoke to your doorman. 180 00:08:22,763 --> 00:08:24,112 According to him, you and your wife 181 00:08:24,112 --> 00:08:26,549 didn't get home last night until after 4:00 a.m. 182 00:08:26,549 --> 00:08:28,899 Which does not look good since Marks 183 00:08:28,899 --> 00:08:30,205 was killed around 2:00. 184 00:08:30,205 --> 00:08:32,076 I would never kill Evan. 185 00:08:32,076 --> 00:08:33,556 I loved the guy. 186 00:08:33,556 --> 00:08:34,644 Bet you didn't love him 187 00:08:34,644 --> 00:08:35,819 sleeping with your wife, though, huh? 188 00:08:35,819 --> 00:08:39,475 Lacy and I have an open marriage. 189 00:08:39,475 --> 00:08:41,172 Okay. 190 00:08:41,172 --> 00:08:44,001 Then where were you last night? 191 00:08:44,001 --> 00:08:45,960 It'll be fine. Just tell them. 192 00:08:48,049 --> 00:08:51,531 I was at the VenZip offices. So was Lacy. 193 00:08:51,531 --> 00:08:53,315 So you were with him Evan Marks. 194 00:08:53,315 --> 00:08:55,099 And a lot of other people. 195 00:08:55,099 --> 00:08:56,318 There was a party. 196 00:08:56,318 --> 00:08:58,407 Oh, yeah? What kind of party was that? 197 00:09:01,497 --> 00:09:04,282 There's an underground scene for people 198 00:09:04,282 --> 00:09:07,068 of a certain caliber. 199 00:09:07,068 --> 00:09:08,591 It's called the Lifestyle. 200 00:09:08,591 --> 00:09:11,463 - Lifestyle? - I did not name it. 201 00:09:11,463 --> 00:09:13,944 Evan was super into the whole thing. 202 00:09:13,944 --> 00:09:16,991 It was his idea to throw one of the parties at his office. 203 00:09:16,991 --> 00:09:19,384 You know, you really didn't need a lawyer to tell us this. 204 00:09:19,384 --> 00:09:23,606 We're talking about an invite-only situation here. 205 00:09:23,606 --> 00:09:26,261 And people that attend these things are big time. 206 00:09:26,261 --> 00:09:28,742 Guests have to sign a non-disclosure agreement. 207 00:09:28,742 --> 00:09:30,482 I wanted to make sure I wouldn't get in trouble. 208 00:09:30,482 --> 00:09:32,484 And what kind of things are going on at this party 209 00:09:32,484 --> 00:09:33,921 that people have to sign an NDA? 210 00:09:33,921 --> 00:09:35,313 Nothing bad. 211 00:09:35,313 --> 00:09:38,490 It's just a way to create safe space for powerful 212 00:09:38,490 --> 00:09:41,145 and, you know, famous people to relax, 213 00:09:41,145 --> 00:09:45,323 expanding the mind to break old paradigms. 214 00:09:45,323 --> 00:09:47,978 And by expanding the mind, you mean... 215 00:09:47,978 --> 00:09:50,067 taking ketamine, mushrooms? 216 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:53,636 We're Homicide detectives, okay? 217 00:09:53,636 --> 00:09:55,072 We're not here to bust you for recreational drug use. 218 00:09:55,072 --> 00:09:56,857 Yeah. 219 00:09:56,857 --> 00:09:59,207 Everyone parties. 220 00:09:59,207 --> 00:10:01,383 And at some point, Evan got worried 221 00:10:01,383 --> 00:10:03,820 supplies were running low, so he left for a re-up. 222 00:10:03,820 --> 00:10:06,344 But he never came back. 223 00:10:06,344 --> 00:10:08,346 Then someone looked down and saw 224 00:10:08,346 --> 00:10:10,392 the police cars on the street. 225 00:10:12,873 --> 00:10:15,353 Everyone freaked out. 226 00:10:15,353 --> 00:10:18,487 So we left out the back exit of the building. 227 00:10:18,487 --> 00:10:21,098 Well, the point is, my client and his wife 228 00:10:21,098 --> 00:10:23,361 were in the VenZip offices on the 27th floor 229 00:10:23,361 --> 00:10:24,972 when Evan Marks was shot. 230 00:10:24,972 --> 00:10:28,366 No, the point is, Counselor, your client has to prove it. 231 00:10:40,161 --> 00:10:46,254 The planet is gonna run out of water, like, soon. 232 00:10:46,254 --> 00:10:50,650 That's something everyone needs to survive. 233 00:10:50,650 --> 00:10:55,480 Whoever figures that out is gonna make a lot of money. 234 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:59,571 - And change the world. - And change the world. 235 00:10:59,571 --> 00:11:01,399 That's the video Craig Walsh shot at the party. 236 00:11:01,399 --> 00:11:02,574 People are higher than 237 00:11:02,574 --> 00:11:03,706 the Chrysler Building in that thing. 238 00:11:03,706 --> 00:11:05,577 Maybe so, but the time stamp proves 239 00:11:05,577 --> 00:11:07,710 that they were at the party when Marks was shot. 240 00:11:07,710 --> 00:11:12,062 So if Marks was killed over a woman, it wasn't Lacy Stevens. 241 00:11:12,062 --> 00:11:13,890 Doesn't look like it. 242 00:11:13,890 --> 00:11:16,980 Yeah, but those Lifestyle parties are basically just 243 00:11:16,980 --> 00:11:19,026 orgies for tech nerds, right? 244 00:11:19,026 --> 00:11:20,331 Odds are Lacy wasn't the only one 245 00:11:20,331 --> 00:11:21,985 he was romantically involved with. 246 00:11:21,985 --> 00:11:23,465 Hey. 247 00:11:23,465 --> 00:11:25,641 I scrubbed through Marks's phone and email 248 00:11:25,641 --> 00:11:27,861 like you asked, looking for other possible girlfriends, 249 00:11:27,861 --> 00:11:29,732 and I might have something. 250 00:11:29,732 --> 00:11:32,343 I found several references to a woman named Eva, 251 00:11:32,343 --> 00:11:34,345 messages that he sent to friends saying 252 00:11:34,345 --> 00:11:36,043 he couldn't wait to introduce them to her. 253 00:11:36,043 --> 00:11:38,001 - You get a last name? - Negative. 254 00:11:38,001 --> 00:11:40,743 And I also couldn't find any Eva in his contact lists. 255 00:11:40,743 --> 00:11:42,745 What's the over/under this Eva also has a husband? 256 00:11:42,745 --> 00:11:44,616 You know, Craig Walsh did eventually give up 257 00:11:44,616 --> 00:11:47,097 the contact info for the woman who runs the invite list 258 00:11:47,097 --> 00:11:48,229 for those Lifestyle parties. 259 00:11:48,229 --> 00:11:49,796 Let's go talk to her. 260 00:11:49,796 --> 00:11:53,321 If she made up the guest list, maybe she knows who Eva is. 261 00:11:56,454 --> 00:11:58,065 Never heard of her. 262 00:11:58,065 --> 00:12:00,023 But you're the one who puts these parties together, right? 263 00:12:00,023 --> 00:12:01,895 I'm not a party promoter. 264 00:12:01,895 --> 00:12:04,288 I'm a psychedelic doula. 265 00:12:04,288 --> 00:12:05,942 And that entails what, exactly? 266 00:12:05,942 --> 00:12:09,729 I curate bespoke experiences for high-end clients 267 00:12:09,729 --> 00:12:12,427 interested in exploring the psychological 268 00:12:12,427 --> 00:12:15,343 and intellectual benefits of psychotropic substances. 269 00:12:15,343 --> 00:12:16,910 You do realize that those substances 270 00:12:16,910 --> 00:12:18,259 are against the law? 271 00:12:18,259 --> 00:12:20,304 I neither provide nor partake myself. 272 00:12:20,304 --> 00:12:22,872 Everything I do is perfectly legal. 273 00:12:22,872 --> 00:12:26,310 Clients come to me, and I coordinate groups whose auras 274 00:12:26,310 --> 00:12:29,139 are a good match and make arrangements for them 275 00:12:29,139 --> 00:12:31,620 to exchange energies and ideas. 276 00:12:31,620 --> 00:12:35,580 This aura matching, it never involved a woman named Eva? 277 00:12:35,580 --> 00:12:36,973 No. 278 00:12:36,973 --> 00:12:38,279 What about any men that might have had an issue 279 00:12:38,279 --> 00:12:40,498 with Marks's relationships with other women? 280 00:12:40,498 --> 00:12:42,500 Evan did mention that earlier that day 281 00:12:42,500 --> 00:12:45,025 he'd gotten into a big fight with James, 282 00:12:45,025 --> 00:12:46,200 his business partner. 283 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:47,810 - You mean James Sawyer? - Yeah. 284 00:12:47,810 --> 00:12:49,943 Evan said the fight was intense. 285 00:12:49,943 --> 00:12:52,859 Apparently, James was so upset he punched a hole in the wall. 286 00:12:52,859 --> 00:12:54,861 Did Evan ever tell you what the fight was about? 287 00:12:54,861 --> 00:12:57,341 No, but I do know that James does not 288 00:12:57,341 --> 00:12:59,517 approve of the Lifestyle. 289 00:12:59,517 --> 00:13:01,737 He's very uptight-- 290 00:13:01,737 --> 00:13:04,435 much more the type to be territorial over a woman. 291 00:13:08,178 --> 00:13:10,920 I'm sorry, Mr. Sawyer, but your plane's been grounded, 292 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:12,095 and I'm being told to wait. 293 00:13:12,095 --> 00:13:14,097 I wanna talk to your manager. 294 00:13:14,097 --> 00:13:16,839 You can talk to us. 295 00:13:16,839 --> 00:13:19,842 Hi. Detective Riley. This is Detective Shaw. 296 00:13:19,842 --> 00:13:21,322 We tried stopping by your office, 297 00:13:21,322 --> 00:13:22,366 and your assistant told us were making 298 00:13:22,366 --> 00:13:23,498 a little unexpected trip. 299 00:13:23,498 --> 00:13:24,760 Did you ground my plane? 300 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:25,935 It seems like you're in a rush. 301 00:13:25,935 --> 00:13:28,503 Where you headed? - Why does that matter? 302 00:13:28,503 --> 00:13:30,374 Let's go have a little talk over here, okay? 303 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:35,205 Word on the street is that you and Evan Marks 304 00:13:35,205 --> 00:13:36,859 had quite the fight last night. 305 00:13:36,859 --> 00:13:39,514 We had an argument. It's not uncommon. 306 00:13:39,514 --> 00:13:41,081 We're both passionate people. 307 00:13:41,081 --> 00:13:42,473 You guys argue about a woman? 308 00:13:42,473 --> 00:13:44,388 A woman? No. 309 00:13:44,388 --> 00:13:46,477 If word got out that the C-suite is throwing 310 00:13:46,477 --> 00:13:48,871 drug-fueled sex parties at corporate HQ, 311 00:13:48,871 --> 00:13:50,220 it's gonna be a problem. 312 00:13:50,220 --> 00:13:51,787 Marks didn't agree? 313 00:13:51,787 --> 00:13:53,441 Evan didn't care that his Burning Man nonsense 314 00:13:53,441 --> 00:13:55,443 doesn't exactly fly with investors. 315 00:13:55,443 --> 00:13:57,924 But if you think I had anything to do 316 00:13:57,924 --> 00:14:00,274 with what happened, you're crazy. 317 00:14:00,274 --> 00:14:02,580 Evan wasn't just my business partner. 318 00:14:02,580 --> 00:14:04,191 He was my best friend. 319 00:14:04,191 --> 00:14:07,411 If you had nothing to do with his murder, why skip town? 320 00:14:07,411 --> 00:14:09,631 I'm not skipping town. 321 00:14:09,631 --> 00:14:12,764 I'm flying to San Francisco to meet with a crisis PR team. 322 00:14:12,764 --> 00:14:15,463 Evan's death sent the company's stock into a spiral. 323 00:14:15,463 --> 00:14:16,899 I'm gonna go mitigate the fallout. 324 00:14:16,899 --> 00:14:18,422 All right, where were you last night? 325 00:14:18,422 --> 00:14:21,164 D.C. Flew back this morning. 326 00:14:21,164 --> 00:14:24,776 Look, Evan was like a brother to me, 327 00:14:24,776 --> 00:14:27,127 which meant sometimes we fought like brothers too. 328 00:14:27,127 --> 00:14:30,043 You guys ever fight over Eva? 329 00:14:30,043 --> 00:14:31,783 Eva? 330 00:14:31,783 --> 00:14:34,264 No, that was completely under Evan's purview. 331 00:14:34,264 --> 00:14:36,832 I didn't really get involved. 332 00:14:36,832 --> 00:14:38,703 What does Eva have to do with any of this? 333 00:14:38,703 --> 00:14:40,749 You tell us. We don't even know who she is. 334 00:14:42,925 --> 00:14:44,927 Eva isn't a woman. 335 00:14:44,927 --> 00:14:46,929 She's a software program, 336 00:14:46,929 --> 00:14:49,410 specifically artificial intelligence. 337 00:14:49,410 --> 00:14:52,369 She's the most advanced AI ever achieved. 338 00:15:02,379 --> 00:15:05,078 Allow me to introduce you to EVA, 339 00:15:05,078 --> 00:15:07,819 short for Electronic Virtual Assistant. 340 00:15:07,819 --> 00:15:09,778 She's artificial intelligence on a level 341 00:15:09,778 --> 00:15:12,172 no one's ever seen before. 342 00:15:12,172 --> 00:15:14,348 You and Evan Marks ever have any disagreements 343 00:15:14,348 --> 00:15:17,090 about her or it? 344 00:15:17,090 --> 00:15:18,743 Research shows that people prefer 345 00:15:18,743 --> 00:15:21,572 giving artificial intelligence a female name and pronouns. 346 00:15:21,572 --> 00:15:22,965 Makes it less creepy. 347 00:15:22,965 --> 00:15:25,011 You still didn't answer my question. 348 00:15:25,011 --> 00:15:27,274 No, I didn't have any problems with Evan 349 00:15:27,274 --> 00:15:28,971 wanting to implement EVA. 350 00:15:28,971 --> 00:15:31,408 Honestly, I think it's exciting. 351 00:15:31,408 --> 00:15:32,888 But it was controversial. 352 00:15:32,888 --> 00:15:34,977 There are definitely people who felt differently. 353 00:15:34,977 --> 00:15:37,023 What was Evan Marks doing that was so controversial? 354 00:15:37,023 --> 00:15:39,373 As the name implies, EVA was initially designed 355 00:15:39,373 --> 00:15:41,636 to assist our engineers and programmers. 356 00:15:41,636 --> 00:15:43,812 But she's self-learning. 357 00:15:43,812 --> 00:15:46,815 And within months, she advanced exponentially 358 00:15:46,815 --> 00:15:48,512 beyond her initial capabilities. 359 00:15:48,512 --> 00:15:51,472 The program is self-iterative, and its processes operate 360 00:15:51,472 --> 00:15:53,909 in a kind of black box. 361 00:15:53,909 --> 00:15:55,737 There's no real way for us to track what algorithms 362 00:15:55,737 --> 00:15:57,434 she's using to evolve. 363 00:15:57,434 --> 00:16:00,394 Not my area of expertise, but doesn't that seem concerning? 364 00:16:00,394 --> 00:16:02,004 Hence the controversy. 365 00:16:02,004 --> 00:16:03,223 Aren't there regulations in place 366 00:16:03,223 --> 00:16:05,007 around this kind of thing? - Not really. 367 00:16:05,007 --> 00:16:06,791 Evan was a big proponent of seeing 368 00:16:06,791 --> 00:16:09,359 how far EVA could go on her own. 369 00:16:09,359 --> 00:16:11,666 The goal is for her to assist the engineers and programmers, 370 00:16:11,666 --> 00:16:14,147 but she can actually do their jobs. 371 00:16:14,147 --> 00:16:15,409 Except faster. 372 00:16:15,409 --> 00:16:16,801 And for free. 373 00:16:16,801 --> 00:16:18,542 That must have pissed off a lot of employees. 374 00:16:18,542 --> 00:16:22,546 Yeah, about 200 of them. 375 00:16:24,070 --> 00:16:26,289 Last week, Evan Marks fired over half 376 00:16:26,289 --> 00:16:28,857 of his company's engineers and replaced them 377 00:16:28,857 --> 00:16:31,207 with the EVA AI system. 378 00:16:31,207 --> 00:16:33,905 So you're saying that when our witness 379 00:16:33,905 --> 00:16:35,995 overheard Marks's killer say, 380 00:16:35,995 --> 00:16:37,474 "You're turning her against me," 381 00:16:37,474 --> 00:16:39,607 he was talking about a computer program? 382 00:16:39,607 --> 00:16:41,043 That's what we're thinking. 383 00:16:41,043 --> 00:16:43,219 And according to Kevin Wu, the operations manager, 384 00:16:43,219 --> 00:16:46,048 Marks was ruthless about the layoffs, right? 385 00:16:46,048 --> 00:16:47,963 He kicked out 200 employees on their asses 386 00:16:47,963 --> 00:16:49,704 just like that without warning. 387 00:16:49,704 --> 00:16:52,402 According to him, the future left these people behind. 388 00:16:52,402 --> 00:16:54,274 All that mind expanding he had done 389 00:16:54,274 --> 00:16:56,319 led him to innovating beyond human empathy. 390 00:16:56,319 --> 00:16:58,582 That's a lot of suspects to sort through. 391 00:16:58,582 --> 00:16:59,888 It is. 392 00:16:59,888 --> 00:17:01,672 However, we can put one of those suspects 393 00:17:01,672 --> 00:17:02,978 at the crime scene. 394 00:17:02,978 --> 00:17:04,501 So Wu gave us all the data he had 395 00:17:04,501 --> 00:17:06,547 on all the fired employees, and it turns out, 396 00:17:06,547 --> 00:17:10,029 the former chief programmer Ben Stafford 397 00:17:10,029 --> 00:17:13,249 used his key card at the VenZip offices 398 00:17:13,249 --> 00:17:15,469 the night Marks was murdered. 399 00:17:15,469 --> 00:17:17,384 We checked with our psychedelic doula friend too. 400 00:17:17,384 --> 00:17:19,125 She confirmed he definitely was not 401 00:17:19,125 --> 00:17:21,083 on the list for the Lifestyle party that night. 402 00:17:21,083 --> 00:17:23,259 I can do you one better. Listen to this. 403 00:17:23,259 --> 00:17:24,956 Stafford posted this on his social media 404 00:17:24,956 --> 00:17:26,349 the day before the murder. 405 00:17:26,349 --> 00:17:28,743 "Evan Marks will be the downfall of humanity 406 00:17:28,743 --> 00:17:30,179 "as we know it. 407 00:17:30,179 --> 00:17:34,096 He's a plague that needs to be eradicated immediately." 408 00:17:34,096 --> 00:17:36,142 That's enough for a search warrant. 409 00:17:36,142 --> 00:17:38,100 Why don't you see what you can turn up? 410 00:17:40,842 --> 00:17:42,148 No, no, no, don't touch that. 411 00:17:42,148 --> 00:17:43,758 Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Back up. All right? 412 00:17:43,758 --> 00:17:45,325 Just stay where you are. 413 00:17:45,325 --> 00:17:46,978 This is insane. 414 00:17:46,978 --> 00:17:48,545 I was just blowing off steam. 415 00:17:48,545 --> 00:17:51,113 I wasn't saying I was actually gonna kill him. 416 00:17:51,113 --> 00:17:52,593 Then what were you doing at the VenZip offices 417 00:17:52,593 --> 00:17:53,942 the night of the murder? 418 00:17:53,942 --> 00:17:55,596 I--I don't know what you're talking about. 419 00:17:55,596 --> 00:17:57,076 - Right. - Detectives? 420 00:17:57,076 --> 00:17:59,600 We found this in the dumpster behind the building. 421 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:01,515 - 9 millimeter. - Yep. 422 00:18:01,515 --> 00:18:03,517 That means we're gonna finish this little conversation 423 00:18:03,517 --> 00:18:05,301 of ours downtown, okay? 424 00:18:05,301 --> 00:18:07,651 Let's go. 425 00:18:07,651 --> 00:18:10,480 Ballistic tests prove that the gun that we found 426 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:13,309 was the one used to kill Marks, the guy who had just fired you. 427 00:18:13,309 --> 00:18:15,659 We know you were there. Just tell us what happened. 428 00:18:15,659 --> 00:18:18,749 Any chance I could get some of my medication? 429 00:18:18,749 --> 00:18:20,403 Medication? You mean the, uh, 430 00:18:20,403 --> 00:18:23,493 the Adderall that we found when we searched your apartment? 431 00:18:23,493 --> 00:18:25,365 You're gonna have to produce a doctor's prescription, 432 00:18:25,365 --> 00:18:26,714 because the bottle that we found 433 00:18:26,714 --> 00:18:27,802 had no pharmacist label on it. 434 00:18:27,802 --> 00:18:30,370 I don't have a prescription. 435 00:18:30,370 --> 00:18:31,936 Then you don't get the Adderall. 436 00:18:33,286 --> 00:18:35,679 It helps me think straight. 437 00:18:35,679 --> 00:18:36,854 How about this? 438 00:18:36,854 --> 00:18:38,682 I'm happy to get you an aspirin, 439 00:18:38,682 --> 00:18:41,032 but until you start telling us the truth, 440 00:18:41,032 --> 00:18:42,686 it's the best I can do. 441 00:18:42,686 --> 00:18:46,864 Ben, come on. 442 00:18:46,864 --> 00:18:48,518 I'm looking at you, and I can tell 443 00:18:48,518 --> 00:18:52,131 that this is not easy to keep this all bottled up inside. 444 00:18:53,915 --> 00:18:56,874 You're not a bad guy, are you? 445 00:19:02,097 --> 00:19:03,533 I brought the gun to scare him. 446 00:19:03,533 --> 00:19:06,536 I just wanted him to give everyone their jobs back. 447 00:19:06,536 --> 00:19:09,670 Guy like that, he wouldn't listen, would he? 448 00:19:09,670 --> 00:19:11,672 No. 449 00:19:11,672 --> 00:19:15,371 The only people he cares about are his rich friends. 450 00:19:15,371 --> 00:19:17,112 Because of him, hundreds of people 451 00:19:17,112 --> 00:19:18,809 aren't gonna be able to support their families. 452 00:19:18,809 --> 00:19:22,335 Meanwhile, he's just up in his office, throwing a party. 453 00:19:22,335 --> 00:19:24,206 He wouldn't even have a company 454 00:19:24,206 --> 00:19:27,035 if it wasn't for the work we all did. 455 00:19:27,035 --> 00:19:28,558 Okay, good. 456 00:19:28,558 --> 00:19:31,561 So, you had an argument. 457 00:19:31,561 --> 00:19:33,911 Uh... 458 00:19:33,911 --> 00:19:37,219 I was so angry. 459 00:19:37,219 --> 00:19:38,786 It just wasn't fair. 460 00:19:44,139 --> 00:19:47,316 Next thing I knew... 461 00:19:47,316 --> 00:19:52,669 I followed him to the ATM, and I-- 462 00:19:55,150 --> 00:19:56,543 I shot him. 463 00:19:59,676 --> 00:20:02,113 Okay. 464 00:20:02,113 --> 00:20:03,550 I'm so sorry. 465 00:20:03,550 --> 00:20:05,160 I didn't mean to. 466 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:06,727 Come in. 467 00:20:09,817 --> 00:20:12,298 Don't say another word. 468 00:20:12,298 --> 00:20:15,605 I'm Mr. Stafford's attorney. This interview is over. 469 00:20:15,605 --> 00:20:17,781 Ben Stafford, you are under arrest 470 00:20:17,781 --> 00:20:20,044 for the murder of Evan Marks. 471 00:20:20,044 --> 00:20:21,481 You have the right to remain silent 472 00:20:21,481 --> 00:20:24,527 and refuse to answer questions, do you understand? 473 00:20:29,053 --> 00:20:30,881 People v. Benjamin Stafford, 474 00:20:30,881 --> 00:20:33,275 charging murder in the second degree. 475 00:20:33,275 --> 00:20:35,538 How does the defendant plea? 476 00:20:35,538 --> 00:20:37,279 Not guilty, Your Honor. 477 00:20:37,279 --> 00:20:38,889 Tyrone, I'll hear you on bail. 478 00:20:38,889 --> 00:20:41,892 Your Honor, Ben Stafford shot and killed Evan Marks 479 00:20:41,892 --> 00:20:44,808 as retribution for Marks firing him. 480 00:20:44,808 --> 00:20:47,594 We cannot only place the defendant near the crime scene 481 00:20:47,594 --> 00:20:48,899 around the time of the murder 482 00:20:48,899 --> 00:20:50,640 and tie the murder weapon to him, 483 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:54,340 but Stafford himself confessed to detectives. 484 00:20:54,340 --> 00:20:56,777 Stafford lacks deep ties to the community 485 00:20:56,777 --> 00:20:59,997 and is facing a potential 25-year sentence, 486 00:20:59,997 --> 00:21:02,217 making him a serious flight risk. 487 00:21:02,217 --> 00:21:03,653 We ask for remand. 488 00:21:03,653 --> 00:21:05,568 Police coerced a false confession 489 00:21:05,568 --> 00:21:08,049 from an innocent man under extreme duress, 490 00:21:08,049 --> 00:21:10,747 an innocent man with no criminal history, I might add. 491 00:21:10,747 --> 00:21:12,271 We are confident that Mr. Stafford 492 00:21:12,271 --> 00:21:14,360 will be fully exonerated and ask that he be released 493 00:21:14,360 --> 00:21:15,491 on his own recognizance. 494 00:21:15,491 --> 00:21:17,319 Bail set at 1 million. 495 00:21:17,319 --> 00:21:19,321 Next case. 496 00:21:24,848 --> 00:21:26,807 The jury is never gonna hear that confession. 497 00:21:31,551 --> 00:21:33,030 Look, how about this? 498 00:21:33,030 --> 00:21:34,380 I'm happy to get you an aspirin, 499 00:21:34,380 --> 00:21:35,642 but until you start telling us the truth, 500 00:21:35,642 --> 00:21:38,122 that's the best I can do. 501 00:21:39,907 --> 00:21:41,996 Ben Stafford developed a physical dependency 502 00:21:41,996 --> 00:21:44,520 on Adderall as a result of the grueling hours 503 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:46,348 and high performance expectations 504 00:21:46,348 --> 00:21:47,958 of his job at VenZip. 505 00:21:47,958 --> 00:21:50,570 During the interrogation, he was suffering from withdrawal. 506 00:21:50,570 --> 00:21:52,398 He made multiple requests for the drug. 507 00:21:52,398 --> 00:21:54,051 In the course of an interrogation, 508 00:21:54,051 --> 00:21:56,924 the suspect requested an illegally procured 509 00:21:56,924 --> 00:22:00,144 controlled substance and detectives, following protocol, 510 00:22:00,144 --> 00:22:01,624 denied the request. 511 00:22:01,624 --> 00:22:03,974 Police capitalized on my client's compromised state 512 00:22:03,974 --> 00:22:06,325 by dangling a promise of access to the pills 513 00:22:06,325 --> 00:22:07,804 in exchange for a confession. 514 00:22:07,804 --> 00:22:09,719 He would have confessed to anything in that moment 515 00:22:09,719 --> 00:22:11,373 if it meant he'd get a fix, and Detective Riley knew it. 516 00:22:11,373 --> 00:22:13,070 Riley made no such promise. 517 00:22:13,070 --> 00:22:15,682 "Until you tell us the truth, that's the best I can do." 518 00:22:17,292 --> 00:22:18,772 It was heavily implied. 519 00:22:18,772 --> 00:22:22,602 That is a wild distortion of Detective Riley's words. 520 00:22:24,125 --> 00:22:26,170 I understand that the detective may not 521 00:22:26,170 --> 00:22:29,260 have intended to imply a quid pro quo, 522 00:22:29,260 --> 00:22:30,653 but there's sufficient evidence 523 00:22:30,653 --> 00:22:32,612 to support the argument that the defendant-- 524 00:22:32,612 --> 00:22:34,091 in his altered state-- 525 00:22:34,091 --> 00:22:36,790 interpreted it as such, making the confession 526 00:22:36,790 --> 00:22:40,402 involuntarily coerced and inherently unreliable. 527 00:22:40,402 --> 00:22:42,796 - Your Honor-- - The confession is out. 528 00:22:44,841 --> 00:22:47,583 So you have a defendant who confessed to the crime, 529 00:22:47,583 --> 00:22:50,194 but the jury doesn't get to know that. 530 00:22:50,194 --> 00:22:53,633 Can we get a conviction without the confession? 531 00:22:53,633 --> 00:22:55,243 I think so. 532 00:22:55,243 --> 00:22:58,289 Stafford's key card puts him at the VenZip offices 533 00:22:58,289 --> 00:23:00,291 right after midnight on the night of the murder. 534 00:23:00,291 --> 00:23:02,381 Marks was shot right outside the building. 535 00:23:02,381 --> 00:23:04,426 And Stafford had already cleared out his office 536 00:23:04,426 --> 00:23:06,123 the week before. 537 00:23:06,123 --> 00:23:07,647 They're gonna have trouble coming up 538 00:23:07,647 --> 00:23:09,736 with a viable explanation for him being there 539 00:23:09,736 --> 00:23:11,955 other than confronting Marks, especially at that hour. 540 00:23:11,955 --> 00:23:14,784 Plus, the murder weapon was recovered in his dumpster, 541 00:23:14,784 --> 00:23:16,307 and you add to that the clear-cut motive. 542 00:23:16,307 --> 00:23:17,570 Yes, I still think we can win. 543 00:23:17,570 --> 00:23:19,789 Just be careful. 544 00:23:19,789 --> 00:23:21,748 The motive, in this case, has the potential 545 00:23:21,748 --> 00:23:23,880 to hurt as much as help. 546 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:28,755 Fear of losing one's livelihood to AI is pervasive these days. 547 00:23:28,755 --> 00:23:31,671 All I'm saying, Nolan, is, it's gonna be easier 548 00:23:31,671 --> 00:23:33,281 to sympathize with the defendant 549 00:23:33,281 --> 00:23:37,111 than the billionaire who fired hundreds of employees. 550 00:23:37,111 --> 00:23:40,810 Humanize the victim, and remind them 551 00:23:40,810 --> 00:23:44,248 Ben Stafford is the villain in this story. 552 00:23:48,035 --> 00:23:51,168 Mr. Sawyer, you were present when Evan Marks notified 553 00:23:51,168 --> 00:23:53,257 the defendant that the company was letting him go, 554 00:23:53,257 --> 00:23:55,738 is that correct? - I was. 555 00:23:55,738 --> 00:23:58,959 As co-founders, Evan and I took our responsibilities 556 00:23:58,959 --> 00:24:01,135 to our employees very seriously. 557 00:24:01,135 --> 00:24:04,704 We wanted to deliver the news as humanely as possible. 558 00:24:04,704 --> 00:24:07,097 And how did the defendant react? 559 00:24:07,097 --> 00:24:08,621 He was furious. 560 00:24:08,621 --> 00:24:12,189 He threw a fit, screaming, making threats. 561 00:24:12,189 --> 00:24:14,975 It was a lot to take given that it was his fault that 562 00:24:14,975 --> 00:24:17,107 it was happening in the first place. 563 00:24:17,107 --> 00:24:18,065 How so? 564 00:24:18,065 --> 00:24:20,067 He was the one who created EVA. 565 00:24:20,067 --> 00:24:22,852 That's the artificial intelligence program 566 00:24:22,852 --> 00:24:24,201 that the company is now using? 567 00:24:24,201 --> 00:24:26,639 Yes, we discovered that he had essentially 568 00:24:26,639 --> 00:24:29,380 designed the software to do his job for him. 569 00:24:30,425 --> 00:24:33,384 He thought he was clever, that he could just sit around 570 00:24:33,384 --> 00:24:35,778 and do nothing while collecting a big fat paycheck. 571 00:24:35,778 --> 00:24:37,563 The defendant wasn't the only employee 572 00:24:37,563 --> 00:24:39,565 that you and Marks replaced with EVA. 573 00:24:39,565 --> 00:24:41,088 Unfortunately, the software did 574 00:24:41,088 --> 00:24:43,264 make a number of jobs at the company redundant, 575 00:24:43,264 --> 00:24:46,615 and we struggled with what to do with that, 576 00:24:46,615 --> 00:24:48,356 Evan more than me, even. 577 00:24:48,356 --> 00:24:51,794 But ultimately, he felt we had a responsibility 578 00:24:51,794 --> 00:24:54,057 to push the boundaries of science and technology 579 00:24:54,057 --> 00:24:58,801 that through innovation, some sort of utopia 580 00:24:58,801 --> 00:25:00,150 could be reached. 581 00:25:00,150 --> 00:25:01,891 When you say that the defendant 582 00:25:01,891 --> 00:25:06,592 made threats to Marks, what did he say, exactly? 583 00:25:06,592 --> 00:25:08,245 He got right up in Evan's face 584 00:25:08,245 --> 00:25:10,726 and said he was gonna pay for what he'd done. 585 00:25:10,726 --> 00:25:12,336 Thank you. 586 00:25:12,336 --> 00:25:13,816 No further questions. 587 00:25:17,690 --> 00:25:20,736 Mr. Sawyer, how would you characterize 588 00:25:20,736 --> 00:25:22,259 your relationship with Evan Marks? 589 00:25:22,259 --> 00:25:24,044 He was my best friend. 590 00:25:24,044 --> 00:25:25,741 And on the business side, 591 00:25:25,741 --> 00:25:27,351 things between you two were good? 592 00:25:27,351 --> 00:25:30,920 We had the perfect complement of skill sets. 593 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:32,879 Evan excelled at the big picture stuff, 594 00:25:32,879 --> 00:25:34,445 while I'm good at executing. 595 00:25:34,445 --> 00:25:39,059 Mr. Sawyer, do you recognize these emails? 596 00:25:44,847 --> 00:25:47,067 It looks like correspondences between myself 597 00:25:47,067 --> 00:25:48,547 and some of our company board members. 598 00:25:48,547 --> 00:25:50,200 Objection, relevance. 599 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,856 These emails establish that Mr. Sawyer is not being honest 600 00:25:53,856 --> 00:25:55,423 with the court about the state of affairs 601 00:25:55,423 --> 00:25:56,467 between him and Evan Marks. 602 00:25:56,467 --> 00:25:57,643 Overruled. 603 00:25:58,992 --> 00:26:01,298 What was the nature of these exchanges? 604 00:26:01,298 --> 00:26:03,257 I reached out to some of our board members 605 00:26:03,257 --> 00:26:05,085 to see if I could rely on their support. 606 00:26:05,085 --> 00:26:07,435 Because Evan Marks was trying 607 00:26:07,435 --> 00:26:09,132 to push you out of the company? 608 00:26:09,132 --> 00:26:10,307 Yes. 609 00:26:10,307 --> 00:26:12,135 He'd discussed that with a few people. 610 00:26:12,135 --> 00:26:14,007 He felt like you were holding him back, 611 00:26:14,007 --> 00:26:17,793 squelching his creative genius, isn't that correct? 612 00:26:17,793 --> 00:26:20,317 We were in the process of sorting it all out. 613 00:26:20,317 --> 00:26:23,625 What did you discover in your communication with the board? 614 00:26:23,625 --> 00:26:25,409 That I-- 615 00:26:28,674 --> 00:26:30,589 I didn't have the support I'd imagined. 616 00:26:30,589 --> 00:26:32,982 Meaning Marks could effectively 617 00:26:32,982 --> 00:26:35,376 fire you at any time? 618 00:26:35,376 --> 00:26:37,334 Yes. 619 00:26:37,334 --> 00:26:39,162 But now that he's dead, 620 00:26:39,162 --> 00:26:42,644 you've been appointed sole CEO, correct? 621 00:26:42,644 --> 00:26:44,646 If you're trying to imply 622 00:26:44,646 --> 00:26:47,431 that I'm the one who killed Evan, 623 00:26:47,431 --> 00:26:49,825 you're wasting your time. 624 00:26:49,825 --> 00:26:51,871 I was in D.C. the night he was shot. 625 00:26:51,871 --> 00:26:53,176 That doesn't mean you couldn't pay somebody 626 00:26:53,176 --> 00:26:54,743 to do your dirty work. - Objection, Your Honor. 627 00:26:54,743 --> 00:26:55,918 The defense is trying to suggest-- 628 00:26:55,918 --> 00:26:58,660 She's not suggesting, she's asserting. 629 00:26:58,660 --> 00:27:01,576 James Sawyer killed Evan Marks. 630 00:27:01,576 --> 00:27:03,186 - Objection. - Sustained. 631 00:27:03,186 --> 00:27:05,362 Please disregard defense counsel's statement. 632 00:27:12,239 --> 00:27:15,851 You hung me out to dry up there. 633 00:27:15,851 --> 00:27:17,636 I had no way of knowing they were coming for you. 634 00:27:17,636 --> 00:27:21,117 Because you didn't tell us what was really going on. 635 00:27:21,117 --> 00:27:24,599 How did the defense know about Marks's power grab? 636 00:27:24,599 --> 00:27:26,340 Great question. 637 00:27:26,340 --> 00:27:27,733 I have no idea. 638 00:27:27,733 --> 00:27:29,517 Those were all company emails. 639 00:27:29,517 --> 00:27:31,432 Do you think Stafford hacked your server? 640 00:27:31,432 --> 00:27:34,565 For all I know, he had EVA do it for him. 641 00:27:34,565 --> 00:27:36,829 They're trying to make it look like I killed Evan. 642 00:27:36,829 --> 00:27:39,048 That's insane. 643 00:27:39,048 --> 00:27:40,571 He's gonna get away with murder. 644 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:49,885 Tell Detective Riley 645 00:27:49,885 --> 00:27:52,018 we're calling him first thing tomorrow. 646 00:27:52,018 --> 00:27:55,238 We need to refocus the jury. 647 00:27:55,238 --> 00:27:57,371 Remind them who the real killer is. 648 00:27:57,371 --> 00:28:00,287 Like it or not, Nolan, the defense just offered up 649 00:28:00,287 --> 00:28:03,769 a perfectly plausible alternative suspect. 650 00:28:11,602 --> 00:28:13,953 Detective Riley, in the course of your investigation, 651 00:28:13,953 --> 00:28:15,128 you discovered that the defendant 652 00:28:15,128 --> 00:28:16,695 had been present at the VenZip offices 653 00:28:16,695 --> 00:28:18,784 the night Evan Marks was murdered, is that correct? 654 00:28:18,784 --> 00:28:21,438 Yes, he entered the building at 12:14 a.m. 655 00:28:21,438 --> 00:28:24,006 And Evan Marks was shot right outside of there 656 00:28:24,006 --> 00:28:25,268 not long after that. 657 00:28:25,268 --> 00:28:27,053 Which is why the defendant immediately 658 00:28:27,053 --> 00:28:28,445 became a person of interest. 659 00:28:28,445 --> 00:28:30,012 We then uncovered a series of threats 660 00:28:30,012 --> 00:28:31,710 that he had made against Marks, so we executed 661 00:28:31,710 --> 00:28:33,146 a search warrant of his apartment. 662 00:28:33,146 --> 00:28:34,451 And what did you find? 663 00:28:34,451 --> 00:28:35,844 We found a 9-millimeter pistol 664 00:28:35,844 --> 00:28:37,541 in the dumpster behind his building. 665 00:28:39,543 --> 00:28:40,849 Is this the gun that you found? 666 00:28:40,849 --> 00:28:42,155 That's the one. 667 00:28:42,155 --> 00:28:44,984 And did you run ballistic tests on this gun? 668 00:28:44,984 --> 00:28:46,159 We did. 669 00:28:46,159 --> 00:28:47,160 They confirmed that it was, in fact, 670 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:48,335 the weapon used to kill Marks. 671 00:28:48,335 --> 00:28:50,337 Thank you. No further questions. 672 00:28:54,950 --> 00:28:57,648 Is there any evidence-- other than the keycard data-- 673 00:28:57,648 --> 00:29:01,174 that my client was in the office that night? 674 00:29:01,174 --> 00:29:03,654 For example, security video? 675 00:29:03,654 --> 00:29:05,221 No, Evan Marks had turned off 676 00:29:05,221 --> 00:29:06,440 the security cameras that night. 677 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:07,789 So that there would be no evidence 678 00:29:07,789 --> 00:29:10,313 of his illicit sex party filled with illegal drugs? 679 00:29:10,313 --> 00:29:12,098 Objection, calls for speculation. 680 00:29:12,098 --> 00:29:14,274 Sustained. 681 00:29:14,274 --> 00:29:16,232 Were Ben Stafford's fingerprints 682 00:29:16,232 --> 00:29:17,364 on the gun that you found? 683 00:29:17,364 --> 00:29:19,540 No, it had been wiped clean. 684 00:29:19,540 --> 00:29:20,759 No further questions. 685 00:29:23,892 --> 00:29:27,983 Detective, was the dumpster where you recovered the gun 686 00:29:27,983 --> 00:29:29,637 accessible to just anyone? 687 00:29:29,637 --> 00:29:31,204 It was not. It was behind a locked gate. 688 00:29:31,204 --> 00:29:33,206 Well, who had a key to that gate? 689 00:29:33,206 --> 00:29:34,598 Only the tenants. 690 00:29:34,598 --> 00:29:37,079 Do any of the tenants-- other than Ben Stafford-- 691 00:29:37,079 --> 00:29:39,255 have any ties to Evan Marks? 692 00:29:39,255 --> 00:29:40,735 None that we could ascertain. 693 00:29:40,735 --> 00:29:42,258 Thank you. 694 00:29:42,258 --> 00:29:44,043 The prosecution rests. 695 00:29:44,043 --> 00:29:46,132 You may call your first witness, Ms. Greenough. 696 00:29:46,132 --> 00:29:49,352 Your Honor, the defense calls Ben Stafford to the stand. 697 00:29:52,051 --> 00:29:54,618 I had nothing to do with what happened to Evan. 698 00:29:54,618 --> 00:29:56,751 Then how do you explain all of the evidence 699 00:29:56,751 --> 00:29:59,014 that the prosecution has laid out? 700 00:29:59,014 --> 00:30:02,583 I'M being set up by James Sawyer again. 701 00:30:02,583 --> 00:30:04,150 What do you mean again? 702 00:30:04,150 --> 00:30:05,716 Well, about six months ago, 703 00:30:05,716 --> 00:30:07,893 James and Evan called me into a meeting. 704 00:30:07,893 --> 00:30:09,895 They were frustrated that the company's 705 00:30:09,895 --> 00:30:13,246 engineers and programmers weren't working fast enough. 706 00:30:13,246 --> 00:30:14,943 It was absurd. 707 00:30:14,943 --> 00:30:19,861 Everyone was working 16 hours a day, seven days a week. 708 00:30:19,861 --> 00:30:22,603 I had to take Adderall just to keep up. 709 00:30:22,603 --> 00:30:24,344 What did they wanna discuss? 710 00:30:24,344 --> 00:30:26,650 They wanted me to create an AI program 711 00:30:26,650 --> 00:30:30,393 to carry some of the workload, make things go faster. 712 00:30:30,393 --> 00:30:31,742 And what did you say? 713 00:30:31,742 --> 00:30:34,528 I had real reservations about the idea. 714 00:30:34,528 --> 00:30:37,313 There were obvious ethical implications, 715 00:30:37,313 --> 00:30:39,098 but also, I didn't want to be responsible 716 00:30:39,098 --> 00:30:42,101 for putting my coworkers' jobs in jeopardy. 717 00:30:42,101 --> 00:30:44,233 But James and Evan made clear 718 00:30:44,233 --> 00:30:45,669 they'd fire me if I didn't do it. 719 00:30:45,669 --> 00:30:47,628 So you did what they demanded. 720 00:30:47,628 --> 00:30:50,936 And they ended up firing me anyway. 721 00:30:50,936 --> 00:30:53,503 And then when they fired everyone else, 722 00:30:53,503 --> 00:30:55,941 they told them that it was my fault, 723 00:30:55,941 --> 00:31:02,425 that I created EVA on my own so I didn't have to work. 724 00:31:02,425 --> 00:31:05,385 - They made you the fall guy. - Exactly. 725 00:31:05,385 --> 00:31:08,562 And now James Sawyer is doing it again. 726 00:31:08,562 --> 00:31:11,957 I was at home, asleep in my bed that night. 727 00:31:11,957 --> 00:31:14,133 I've never fired a gun in my life. 728 00:31:14,133 --> 00:31:16,570 But your key card-- 729 00:31:16,570 --> 00:31:19,007 Easiest thing in the world to clone. 730 00:31:19,007 --> 00:31:20,617 My ten-year-old niece could do it. 731 00:31:20,617 --> 00:31:22,445 Well, what about the gun? 732 00:31:22,445 --> 00:31:24,099 It was found behind your apartment building. 733 00:31:24,099 --> 00:31:27,363 James has access to my personnel files. 734 00:31:27,363 --> 00:31:28,669 He knows where I live. 735 00:31:28,669 --> 00:31:30,845 But according to the detective, 736 00:31:30,845 --> 00:31:32,978 you need a key to access the dumpster. 737 00:31:32,978 --> 00:31:35,937 Half the time nobody remembers to lock that gate, 738 00:31:35,937 --> 00:31:39,375 and even if it's locked, it's not hard to bypass. 739 00:31:39,375 --> 00:31:43,162 I swear, I'm being set up here. 740 00:31:43,162 --> 00:31:44,903 I'm innocent. 741 00:31:46,556 --> 00:31:48,341 No further questions. 742 00:31:55,478 --> 00:31:58,220 So... 743 00:31:58,220 --> 00:31:59,743 By your own admission, 744 00:31:59,743 --> 00:32:03,095 you had plenty of reason to want Evan Marks dead. 745 00:32:03,095 --> 00:32:06,011 He fired you and made you 746 00:32:06,011 --> 00:32:07,882 the fall guy for all the other layoffs. 747 00:32:07,882 --> 00:32:10,711 And, in fact, you made multiple threats against him, 748 00:32:10,711 --> 00:32:13,061 both online and in person, isn't that true? 749 00:32:13,061 --> 00:32:16,630 Which is how James knew I'd be the perfect patsy. 750 00:32:16,630 --> 00:32:18,632 So we're to believe that James Sawyer, 751 00:32:18,632 --> 00:32:20,068 one of the most respected 752 00:32:20,068 --> 00:32:22,636 and accomplished businessmen of our time, 753 00:32:22,636 --> 00:32:25,204 somehow arranged the murder 754 00:32:25,204 --> 00:32:27,858 of his closest friend and business partner 755 00:32:27,858 --> 00:32:31,862 and then created some elaborate scheme to frame you? 756 00:32:31,862 --> 00:32:33,908 That's who these people are. 757 00:32:33,908 --> 00:32:39,566 Evan Marks and James Sawyer, they're all monsters. 758 00:32:39,566 --> 00:32:44,832 They use honest, hard-working people as pawns. 759 00:32:44,832 --> 00:32:48,575 I'm just one more meaningless no one 760 00:32:48,575 --> 00:32:52,013 easily sacrificed so that James Sawyer 761 00:32:52,013 --> 00:32:56,583 can gain more power and more profit. 762 00:32:56,583 --> 00:32:59,760 And the thing is, guys like him, 763 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,154 they always get away with it too. 764 00:33:09,639 --> 00:33:11,946 That was a hell of a performance. 765 00:33:11,946 --> 00:33:14,253 If I hadn't seen Stafford's confession with my own eyes-- 766 00:33:14,253 --> 00:33:15,776 I know. 767 00:33:15,776 --> 00:33:18,170 - Good, caught you. - What's going on? 768 00:33:18,170 --> 00:33:19,823 There's something I need you to see. 769 00:33:19,823 --> 00:33:22,217 Is there an office we can go to? 770 00:33:22,217 --> 00:33:23,871 Our offices were in the process 771 00:33:23,871 --> 00:33:25,307 of upgrading our security system 772 00:33:25,307 --> 00:33:27,005 right before Evan was murdered. 773 00:33:27,005 --> 00:33:28,919 So I took a look at one of the new cameras 774 00:33:28,919 --> 00:33:31,226 on the exterior of the building. 775 00:33:31,226 --> 00:33:35,839 There's a direct shot of the ATM where Evan was murdered. 776 00:33:35,839 --> 00:33:38,755 How the hell did police miss that in their initial canvass? 777 00:33:38,755 --> 00:33:40,192 Camera's so tiny, you can't even see it 778 00:33:40,192 --> 00:33:41,715 unless you to look for it. 779 00:33:41,715 --> 00:33:43,934 But it was operational that night 780 00:33:43,934 --> 00:33:45,893 even though it wasn't on the mainframe, 781 00:33:45,893 --> 00:33:48,722 meaning that it wasn't logged into the system. 782 00:33:58,471 --> 00:34:03,476 That's Ben Stafford, clear as day. 783 00:34:03,476 --> 00:34:06,131 Oh, my God. 784 00:34:06,131 --> 00:34:08,046 We got him. 785 00:34:18,317 --> 00:34:21,842 Hey. You're in early. 786 00:34:21,842 --> 00:34:24,149 Yeah, I couldn't sleep. 787 00:34:24,149 --> 00:34:26,890 Something was bugging me. 788 00:34:26,890 --> 00:34:28,022 Look at this. 789 00:34:33,245 --> 00:34:34,855 What am I missing? 790 00:34:34,855 --> 00:34:36,335 Well, this entire trial, 791 00:34:36,335 --> 00:34:39,164 Stafford has been taking meticulous notes 792 00:34:39,164 --> 00:34:40,948 as people testify, you noticed? 793 00:34:40,948 --> 00:34:44,299 Yeah. Just figured he was-- 794 00:34:45,866 --> 00:34:47,607 Oh. 795 00:34:47,607 --> 00:34:50,175 Stafford is left-handed. 796 00:34:50,175 --> 00:34:52,655 But the shooter in this video is using his right hand. 797 00:34:56,181 --> 00:34:59,227 So what, you're worried the video isn't real? 798 00:34:59,227 --> 00:35:01,751 The defense blaming James Sawyer for Marks's murder 799 00:35:01,751 --> 00:35:05,015 is the top headline in news outlets across the country. 800 00:35:05,015 --> 00:35:08,236 What are the chances that Sawyer just happens 801 00:35:08,236 --> 00:35:11,283 to be the one to find the perfect piece of evidence, 802 00:35:11,283 --> 00:35:15,025 evidence that nails Stafford and clears his name? 803 00:35:15,025 --> 00:35:17,158 I get what you're saying. 804 00:35:18,986 --> 00:35:20,292 He is the CEO. 805 00:35:20,292 --> 00:35:22,163 They got all kinds of security cameras. 806 00:35:22,163 --> 00:35:24,209 But he didn't find the video until yesterday? 807 00:35:24,209 --> 00:35:26,733 I know the timing is convenient, 808 00:35:26,733 --> 00:35:28,952 but it doesn't prove anything. 809 00:35:28,952 --> 00:35:30,389 No. 810 00:35:30,389 --> 00:35:34,088 But given Sawyer's access to advanced technology, 811 00:35:34,088 --> 00:35:36,046 a deepfake video of this caliber 812 00:35:36,046 --> 00:35:39,049 isn't outside the realm of possibility. 813 00:35:41,226 --> 00:35:42,444 So what do you wanna do? 814 00:35:42,444 --> 00:35:46,492 I am going to ask for a continuance 815 00:35:46,492 --> 00:35:50,583 while you get clarity on the video's authenticity. 816 00:35:50,583 --> 00:35:53,673 ITB used every tool they have to analyze this thing, 817 00:35:53,673 --> 00:35:56,066 but the results were inconclusive. 818 00:35:57,677 --> 00:35:59,635 So they can't tell if it's real or fake. 819 00:35:59,635 --> 00:36:01,681 I mean, the biggest giveaway would be here. 820 00:36:01,681 --> 00:36:04,510 For whatever reason, even the most advanced AI 821 00:36:04,510 --> 00:36:07,643 still struggles to render human hands and fingers correctly. 822 00:36:07,643 --> 00:36:11,212 But from this far away and at this resolution, 823 00:36:11,212 --> 00:36:13,083 it's impossible to zoom in enough 824 00:36:13,083 --> 00:36:15,129 to see Stafford's hands in detail. 825 00:36:15,129 --> 00:36:17,914 That could be by design to avoid detection. 826 00:36:17,914 --> 00:36:19,742 It could be. 827 00:36:19,742 --> 00:36:21,527 It could also just be a coincidence 828 00:36:21,527 --> 00:36:23,006 that the camera is that far away. 829 00:36:23,006 --> 00:36:26,140 Yeah, well, the problem is, 830 00:36:26,140 --> 00:36:29,230 the coincidences are really piling up here. 831 00:36:29,230 --> 00:36:30,971 If this is a deepfake, it is one 832 00:36:30,971 --> 00:36:32,886 of the best ones I've seen. 833 00:36:32,886 --> 00:36:36,019 But we just can't say conclusively 834 00:36:36,019 --> 00:36:38,196 one way or the other. 835 00:36:38,196 --> 00:36:39,762 Hey. 836 00:36:39,762 --> 00:36:42,374 So, um, Riley and Shaw went back out 837 00:36:42,374 --> 00:36:43,810 to the VenZip offices. 838 00:36:43,810 --> 00:36:46,029 They confirmed that there is, in fact, 839 00:36:46,029 --> 00:36:48,902 a camera on the exterior of the building facing the ATM. 840 00:36:48,902 --> 00:36:51,731 Is there any way to verify how long that camera 841 00:36:51,731 --> 00:36:53,254 has actually been there? 842 00:36:53,254 --> 00:36:56,475 There is documentation alleging when it was installed, 843 00:36:56,475 --> 00:37:00,261 but that would be easier to manufacture 844 00:37:00,261 --> 00:37:01,262 than a video, so-- 845 00:37:01,262 --> 00:37:03,743 - So no. - Correct. 846 00:37:03,743 --> 00:37:08,530 Which means we don't actually know that it's false. 847 00:37:08,530 --> 00:37:11,751 We don't know that it's real, either. 848 00:37:11,751 --> 00:37:16,930 If we don't present the video, can we win? 849 00:37:16,930 --> 00:37:18,323 I'm not sure. 850 00:37:18,323 --> 00:37:21,369 It's a circumstantial case with an unlikable victim. 851 00:37:21,369 --> 00:37:26,374 And a likable defendant who acts like he's the victim. 852 00:37:26,374 --> 00:37:30,204 If the defense wants to challenge the video, 853 00:37:30,204 --> 00:37:32,554 they can call an expert and debunk it. 854 00:37:32,554 --> 00:37:34,469 Jack, we don't know if it's actually real. 855 00:37:34,469 --> 00:37:35,818 It's up to the judge. 856 00:37:35,818 --> 00:37:37,429 He can deny its admission, 857 00:37:37,429 --> 00:37:39,996 or he can leave it up to the jury. 858 00:37:39,996 --> 00:37:42,521 But by presenting it, we're vouching for it. 859 00:37:43,957 --> 00:37:48,266 We are telling the jury we believe it's real. 860 00:37:48,266 --> 00:37:49,963 I know Stafford is guilty. 861 00:37:49,963 --> 00:37:52,531 He confessed, for God's sake, but if we don't start drawing 862 00:37:52,531 --> 00:37:55,490 the line between what's real and what's not, 863 00:37:55,490 --> 00:37:59,451 we'll be contributing to the very problem that could-- 864 00:37:59,451 --> 00:38:02,454 hell, if every deepfake video is admissible, 865 00:38:02,454 --> 00:38:04,804 we'll never get another conviction. 866 00:38:04,804 --> 00:38:07,981 All the defense has to do is show some perfectly credible 867 00:38:07,981 --> 00:38:10,026 video that disproves our case. 868 00:38:10,026 --> 00:38:12,812 We have a duty here. 869 00:38:12,812 --> 00:38:16,772 Our duty is to the truth, and the truth, in this case, 870 00:38:16,772 --> 00:38:20,298 is that Ben Stafford murdered Evan Marks. 871 00:38:22,648 --> 00:38:25,215 Use the video. 872 00:38:25,215 --> 00:38:28,349 End of the day, it's up to the jury 873 00:38:28,349 --> 00:38:31,831 to determine what the truth is. 874 00:38:40,013 --> 00:38:41,319 That's--that's not me. 875 00:38:41,319 --> 00:38:43,190 That's--no, I don't-- 876 00:38:43,190 --> 00:38:46,367 Sorry, you're--you're saying that's not you in the video? 877 00:38:46,367 --> 00:38:47,890 Right there. 878 00:38:47,890 --> 00:38:49,501 No, I can see it's me. 879 00:38:49,501 --> 00:38:51,459 It must be a deepfake. 880 00:38:51,459 --> 00:38:55,202 So it is you, but what, it's the video that's not real? 881 00:38:55,202 --> 00:38:57,335 First off, I'm left-handed. 882 00:38:57,335 --> 00:38:58,858 But your right hand is functional. 883 00:38:58,858 --> 00:39:00,686 You can certainly shoot with that hand as well. 884 00:39:00,686 --> 00:39:02,775 Maybe, but I don't, and I didn't. 885 00:39:02,775 --> 00:39:07,214 So this video that we are all looking at with our eyes, 886 00:39:07,214 --> 00:39:09,216 you're saying, well, that's not real. 887 00:39:09,216 --> 00:39:10,826 Objection, asked and answered. 888 00:39:10,826 --> 00:39:12,350 Sustained. 889 00:39:12,350 --> 00:39:14,482 You're trying to make it sound crazy, 890 00:39:14,482 --> 00:39:16,484 but with AI these days, 891 00:39:16,484 --> 00:39:18,051 you can make something like this. 892 00:39:18,051 --> 00:39:20,532 You don't even need to doctor existing video. 893 00:39:20,532 --> 00:39:22,708 You could just make it whole cloth. 894 00:39:22,708 --> 00:39:27,321 So you'd have us believe that your key card was cloned, 895 00:39:27,321 --> 00:39:29,062 that the murder weapon was planted, 896 00:39:29,062 --> 00:39:34,633 and now actual security footage was created from thin air 897 00:39:34,633 --> 00:39:38,332 using technology more advanced than anyone here has ever seen, 898 00:39:38,332 --> 00:39:42,162 all to frame you when the simpler, 899 00:39:42,162 --> 00:39:48,429 the more obvious answer is that you murdered Evan Marks. 900 00:39:50,562 --> 00:39:52,999 Please, you have to believe me. 901 00:39:52,999 --> 00:39:57,569 Mr. Stafford, why should we believe you 902 00:39:57,569 --> 00:40:01,747 over what we can see with our own eyes? 903 00:40:18,067 --> 00:40:20,505 Mr. Foreperson, has the jury reached a verdict? 904 00:40:20,505 --> 00:40:22,028 We have, Your Honor. 905 00:40:22,028 --> 00:40:24,900 In the charge of murder in the second degree, 906 00:40:24,900 --> 00:40:29,252 we find the defendant, Benjamin Stafford, guilty. 907 00:40:29,252 --> 00:40:30,689 Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, 908 00:40:30,689 --> 00:40:32,473 thank you for your service. 909 00:40:55,322 --> 00:40:59,021 It was the right verdict, put away a guilty man. 910 00:40:59,021 --> 00:41:00,806 Yeah. 911 00:41:00,806 --> 00:41:05,985 But what happens the next time or the time after that? 912 00:41:05,985 --> 00:41:08,509 This job was hard enough when we knew the difference 913 00:41:08,509 --> 00:41:11,817 between real and fake. 914 00:41:11,817 --> 00:41:13,862 But now? 69216

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