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♪
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It's a cold
morning in Toronto,
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and there was a light
dusting of snow in the
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upscale neighbourhood
where billionaire couple,
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Barry and
Honey Sherman live...
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The first person to
show up that morning
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is the cleaning lady.
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She arrives at 8:30.
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She notices that
the morning papers
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are outside the door.
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She unlocks the door.
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Normally, she would have
to disable the alarm.
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But, the alarm
has not been set.
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It's something that
strikes her as odd.
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She starts cleaning-
she goes upstairs first.
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A gardener shows up.
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This is winter, but she comes
in to water various plants
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that the Shermans
have in their home.
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So now, we have
the cleaning lady,
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and we have
the gardener.
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♪
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It's a busy day at
the Sherman home.
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The real estate agent
that works for
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the Shermans arrives.
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They've got clients coming
to look at the house,
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which is for sale
for $6.9 million.
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[Door creaking]
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Another agent and
two clients arrive.
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They're all now in the home,
and they start a tour.
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♪
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They look at the upstairs.
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They look at the main floor.
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And then,
they head downstairs...
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to the basement,
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to see the
underground pool.
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The realtor looks down,
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and she sees
driving gloves.
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And she also sees the
home inspection report
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she'd asked Barry
to bring home.
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♪
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She reaches down and
picks up the gloves.
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Then, with the realtor and
the two clients in tow,
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she continues...
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down the long hallway...
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to the swimming
pool room.
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♪
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The overhead
lights are not on,
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but the pool lights
underwater are on.
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So there's a dim glow.
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♪
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She's about to
turn the lights on,
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but she looks
at the far end,
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and she sees that it's
Barry and Honey Sherman.
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♪
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And they're sitting...
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and leaning backwards.
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She's thinking, "Are they
doing some yoga position"?
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But then she thinks, "No,
this doesn't look good."
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She turns immediately,
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and hustles the other
realtor and the clients out.
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Says, "We'll be in touch."
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Hustles them
out the door.
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♪
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The realtor summons
the cleaning lady
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and the gardener,
and says,
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"There's something
terribly wrong downstairs
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with Barry and
Honey Sherman.
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Will you go down
and check?"
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♪
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The gardener goes into
the swimming pool room...
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♪
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Walks right up to
the Shermans' bodies.
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She turns on her heel...
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And she tells the realtor.
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The realtor calls 911.
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She says, "Somebody
has killed my clients."
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♪
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Barry and Honey Sherman were
not household names at all.
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It's really only through
their death that people have
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come to understand
who they were.
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Barry Sherman was the
founder of Apotex,
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one of the biggest
generic pharmaceutical
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companies in Canada.
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If you get a generic
drug prescribed to you,
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or even something
over the counter,
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it'll quite likely have
"Apotex" on it.
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The financial press has
said Barry Sherman
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is worth roughly
$4.5 billion.
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Honey Sherman was very
involved in charity,
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very involved in the
Jewish community.
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A tireless fundraiser.
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The Shermans were one of
Canada's wealthiest and
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most philanthropic couples.
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When they died,
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Honey was 70 and
Barry was 75.
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♪
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Very soon after the
Shermans were found dead
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on December 15th of 2017,
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the news spreads.
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♪
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[Phone ringing]
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A very close friend
called me, and tells me...
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"Honey and Barry are dead.
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And they're in
the basement." I said,
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"They have to have died of
carbon monoxide poisoning,"
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because they couldn't
have had an aneurysm
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and just dropped dead
at the same time.
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That's impossible.
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♪ [Opera]
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I was sitting at the
dining room table
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listening to music, and...
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I get a phone call
from my friend.
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And she said,
"Did you hear
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what happened to
the Shermans"?
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I was in a boardroom,
got an email.
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"Did you hear the news?"
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My first thought was
complete disbelief.
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How could this happen?
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Why did this happen?
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I can't even tell you
the sick feeling.
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I couldn't believe it.
Why?
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I went into
Forest Hill Village.
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And, around there,
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everybody knew
Honey and Barry.
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And, it was silent.
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People were on
their phones.
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But with looks of
shock on their faces.
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And you could see that they
were reading something
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that they couldn't
comprehend.
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I remember thinking,
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"This is exactly
how it was...
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on 9/11."
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[Camera shutters clicking]
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The story of Barry and
Honey Shermans' death
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breaks just before 4 PM
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on the Friday afternoon.
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[News] Police are
investigating the deaths of
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one of Canada's wealthiest
men, Barry Sherman,
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and his wife, Honey.
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People who live in this
North York neighbourhood
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say they are still in shock.
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It's such a loss
to the community,
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to the Jewish community,
and to Canada at large,
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'cause he was
such a good
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entrepreneur,
philanthropist.
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People are in
shock and crying.
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The Prime Minister is
among the people
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who's expressed
his condolences.
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We've lost two
people who were
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big community contributors.
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Police say they have more
questions than answers
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when it comes to
the deaths of
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this billionaire
Toronto couple.
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[Phone ringing]
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My phone rings,
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and a good friend of
mine said to me:
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"What do you think
of the Shermans"?
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I knew Honey Sherman.
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I knew Barry Sherman.
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I'm a friend of theirs.
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I said, "Well, what award
did they win this time"?
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He says, "There's no award.
They're dead."
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I said, "What"?
I said- I couldn't believe it.
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I said, "What happened"?
And he says,
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"They were found dead
in a very strange way
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in their home."
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The circumstances of their
death appear suspicious.
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[News] The couple were
found hanging,
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in an area near
their indoor pool.
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[Paul] Don't forget,
I'm a newspaper guy.
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I wonder if my
people have it.
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♪
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Joe Warmington is my
guy who covers crime.
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I'll phone him.
I said,
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"Did you know anything
about the Shermans?"
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He says, "I'm at
their house now."
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♪
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I remember it being
a really snowy night.
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♪
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And there was lots of
people milling around,
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lots of reporters there.
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You knew it was
something different,
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it had a big feel to it.
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There was anticipation.
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And a real sense that this
was a story that
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a lot of people
would care about,
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and that any updates we could
deliver would be important.
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♪
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There was a bit of a hurry
up and wait attitude.
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It was at least a couple of
hours that we were waiting
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until the police made
a statement at 8:00.
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[off-screen]
Oh, and here comes...
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Detective Brandon Price,
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who was the
second-in-charge officer,
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gives kind of an impromptu
press conference
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outside of the
Sherman home.
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I just want to put people
in the area's minds...
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at ease.
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I can say that...
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we did not observe any
signs of forced entry
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to the,
to the building.
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And so,
at this point...
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indications are that we
have no outstanding suspect.
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Thank you very much.
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The top editors were going
to go with the headline that
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they were executed.
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But the police are saying,
"Nudge, nudge, wink, wink,
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we're not looking
for somebody."
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They were pushing
the idea that
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there's no public
safety concerns,
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so that's code for it's
a suicide scenario.
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♪
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And then, I had to
make that phone call...
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to Mr. Godfrey.
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He said, "The police said,
'murder-suicide'."
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I says, "I don't believe it."
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This was personal for him. He,
he knew these people, and...
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his reaction was, right away,
like, "There's no way."
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I remember him saying,
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"There's no way this
was a murder-suicide."
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I'm just stunned by it all.
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And, he says, "Well,
give me a quote."
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All I can say is, look,
a major loss for, for,
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for Toronto,
Ontario, Canada.
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[Joe] It was a long night,
I'll tell you, because...
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you don't want to mess
something like this up.
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But...
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You know,
the next day....
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♪
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[Kevin] The news is on the
street from Joe Warmington:
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this is a murder-suicide.
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People at my newspaper,
the Toronto Star,
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The Globe,
everybody else,
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they start working
the phones,
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talking to their
police sources.
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They all confirm it.
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The Toronto police
are considering this
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a murder-suicide.
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[News] Sources suggested the
early theory for investigators
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is murder-suicide.
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[Kevin] It's an atom bomb
that goes up around
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the Sherman
friends and family.
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It's just,
it's an explosion.
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Not one person that knew
them believed for one minute
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that it was a
murder-suicide.
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I knew the police were,
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if you'll pardon the
expression, full of shit.
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♪
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[Kevin] The notion that
Barry Sherman,
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the titan of the
pharmaceutical industry,
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would somehow
hang his wife,
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and then hang himself
didn't make any sense
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to anybody close
to the Shermans.
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Seriously, if you had a
warehouse full of drugs
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that could knock out
an entire zoo,
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why would
somebody do that?
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♪
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On the day Barry and
Honey Sherman's
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bodies were discovered,
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at Alex's home
in Forest Hill,
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the Sherman children-
Jonathan, Alex,
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and Kaelen-
are gathered.
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The eldest, Lauren,
she's in Mexico.
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And, obviously, can't
come back immediately.
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Mary, Honey's sister
was in Florida.
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She books a private plane...
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back to Toronto,
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and she goes directly
to Alex's home.
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♪
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Jack Kay, Barry's very
close friend and
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second in command at
Apotex is there as well.
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Everybody is trying
to get answers.
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And, they realize that the
day before, Thursday morning,
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Honey was to be at a board
meeting for one of the
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charities that she supported.
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Honey doesn't show up
at her meeting.
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Barry doesn't show up
at the office.
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The children look back
at texts and emails,
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and they realize that
nobody received a response.
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Jack Kay says he exchanged
some emails with Barry
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on the Wednesday night.
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Barry's email to Jack at
8:23 PM on December 13th,
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was the last anyone heard
from Barry or Honey Sherman.
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♪
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Friday night, a detective
shows up from the
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Toronto Homicide Squad
to Alex's home.
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He says, "We don't
have any information,
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but we will be in touch."
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The Sherman family
was upset that...
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a detective showed up and,
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didn't even take his
coat off and sit with them.
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And, they're already starting
to hear a rumour out there
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that it's a murder
-suicide investigation.
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That was something that upset
the Sherman children because
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the Shermans had
all sorts of plans.
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They were planning to go
to Florida for a trip.
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They had a new grandchild.
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There are no signs that
something was wrong.
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[Phone vibrating]
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Later, Alex gets a call from
this family member
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of another couple,
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a husband and wife
from Toronto,
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who were found murdered
in Florida in 2013.
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That case, to this day,
is unsolved.
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And, this family member of
this murdered couple, says,
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"You can't trust police
to do everything right.
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What we did is hire
a private detective.
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You should do
the same thing."
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♪
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After this news comes out
that police are strongly
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looking at a murder
-suicide theory,
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the Sherman family
put out a statement.
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[News] "We are shocked and
think it's irresponsible that
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police sources have
reportedly advised the media
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of a theory which neither
their family, their friends
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nor their colleagues
believe to be true."
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On the Sunday,
the police come out with
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a one line statement after
the autopsies on
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Barry and Honey
Sherman are done.
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Autopsy results reveal the
cause of death for both
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was ligature
neck compression.
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The autopsy results
don't cause the police
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to rule out their theory of
murder-suicide.
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[News] Toronto police have
been under intense pressure
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during the investigation as
the Sherman family have been
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vocally critical of the
information that has
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come out in the media.
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The family has hired a
private investigator
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to look into the deaths.
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[Kevin] It's soon revealed
that the Sherman family
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have hired well-known
Toronto attorney,
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Brian Greenspan,
to assemble a team
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of private investigators.
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00:15:24,612 --> 00:15:27,415
Brian Greenspan is
one of Canada's
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top criminal lawyers.
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He's the lawyer that if
you've got lots of money and
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you're in trouble,
that's the guy you go to.
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♪
342
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Brian Greenspan has as
collected a bunch of
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ex-Toronto Homicide officers.
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And, Toronto Homicide
is not pleased that
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they've got these...
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ex-brothers, if you will,
of theirs,
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00:15:48,436 --> 00:15:51,272
running around,
talking to people.
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00:15:51,305 --> 00:15:53,374
[Joe] It's something I'd
never seen before,
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where you had two
parallel investigations
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at the same time.
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The tension was enormous.
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00:16:00,114 --> 00:16:07,788
♪
353
00:16:07,822 --> 00:16:10,624
In those first three weeks,
people in the public and
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00:16:10,658 --> 00:16:12,493
in the press
were speculating
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00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:14,562
that the police had
gotten it wrong,
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00:16:14,595 --> 00:16:17,131
and there was a
killer still at large.
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00:16:17,164 --> 00:16:20,401
And the Sherman children,
they feared for their safety.
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They hired a team of
private security people.
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00:16:25,339 --> 00:16:27,508
We had these two
leading "lites".
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Business-lites, socialites
in Toronto, dead.
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And the police
explanation made no sense.
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00:16:34,348 --> 00:16:36,851
One of the great editors
in New York once said,
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00:16:36,917 --> 00:16:39,687
"The most important story
in town is a murder.
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00:16:39,787 --> 00:16:41,422
And the most important
murder story is a
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00:16:41,455 --> 00:16:46,193
murder at a good address."
And this fit that.
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00:16:46,260 --> 00:16:49,463
[Sirens in the distance]
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00:16:49,497 --> 00:16:54,668
♪
368
00:16:54,702 --> 00:16:57,438
It's been nearly three weeks
since Barry and Honey Sherman
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00:16:57,471 --> 00:16:59,607
were found dead
inside their home.
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00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:02,309
It was December 15th
when the 75-year-old
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00:17:02,343 --> 00:17:04,612
founder of generic drug
company, Apotex,
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00:17:04,645 --> 00:17:06,714
and his 70-year-old wife
were found dead,
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believed to be found hanging
near their indoor pool.
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00:17:10,785 --> 00:17:12,953
My editor at the time,
Michael Cooke, said,
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00:17:13,020 --> 00:17:15,489
"Kevin, I've got an
assignment for you."
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00:17:15,523 --> 00:17:18,993
Investigative reporting,
so important to newspapers.
377
00:17:19,026 --> 00:17:21,862
And that's the kind of
work that Kevin does.
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00:17:21,896 --> 00:17:24,065
He already had a
reputation as Canada's
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00:17:24,131 --> 00:17:26,834
leading investigative
reporter.
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00:17:26,867 --> 00:17:28,235
So, if you wanted
something done,
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00:17:28,302 --> 00:17:30,805
I would go to Donovan.
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00:17:30,838 --> 00:17:32,406
And I said,
"I want you to...
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00:17:32,473 --> 00:17:34,141
find out what happened,
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00:17:34,175 --> 00:17:36,210
and I want you to find out
who did it."
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00:17:36,243 --> 00:17:40,981
♪
386
00:17:41,015 --> 00:17:42,583
I'm not involved 'til
three weeks after
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00:17:42,650 --> 00:17:44,085
the bodies are found.
388
00:17:44,151 --> 00:17:46,687
I don't know Barry and
Honey Sherman at all.
389
00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:48,556
I don't know their friends.
390
00:17:48,589 --> 00:17:51,325
The first thing I try to
do is find members of the
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00:17:51,358 --> 00:17:54,028
Sherman family or friends
who will talk to me.
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00:17:54,061 --> 00:17:56,597
I get a few people
on the phone.
393
00:17:56,664 --> 00:17:58,365
These people are
very much in shock.
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00:17:58,399 --> 00:18:00,101
They're not going
to talk to me.
395
00:18:00,167 --> 00:18:03,838
So, I start casting about for
information on anything that
396
00:18:03,871 --> 00:18:06,073
has come out
from the police.
397
00:18:06,107 --> 00:18:09,176
The police say that they died
of ligature neck compression.
398
00:18:09,210 --> 00:18:11,445
Okay, so that's all
I've got to go on.
399
00:18:11,512 --> 00:18:13,547
Well, what is ligature
neck compression?
400
00:18:13,581 --> 00:18:15,549
And quite quickly,
I think...
401
00:18:15,583 --> 00:18:17,785
Dr. Jim Cairns.
402
00:18:17,785 --> 00:18:22,123
He's been a source of
mine for many years.
403
00:18:22,189 --> 00:18:24,225
So, I give him a call.
404
00:18:24,291 --> 00:18:25,793
At this time,
he's retired from
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00:18:25,860 --> 00:18:27,261
the provincial government.
406
00:18:27,294 --> 00:18:29,463
I say, "Jim, ligature
neck compression,
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00:18:29,463 --> 00:18:31,232
take me through that."
408
00:18:31,265 --> 00:18:34,368
He phoned me because he
wanted to know about...
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00:18:34,401 --> 00:18:36,370
strangulation.
410
00:18:36,403 --> 00:18:38,105
And I said, "Yes, I can
tell you about that."
411
00:18:38,139 --> 00:18:40,241
I've got to find out
if the Shermans were,
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00:18:40,274 --> 00:18:43,043
were victims of
murder-suicide.
413
00:18:43,077 --> 00:18:45,312
And he goes through all the
forensic details
414
00:18:45,379 --> 00:18:47,581
of choking of the neck.
415
00:18:47,615 --> 00:18:49,783
But, different than other
times I've called him
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00:18:49,817 --> 00:18:52,920
for general comments
on a case,
417
00:18:52,953 --> 00:18:54,788
his answers are
more specific.
418
00:18:54,822 --> 00:18:57,091
And I say to him, "Jim,
419
00:18:57,124 --> 00:18:59,260
do you have some
involvement in this case?"
420
00:18:59,293 --> 00:19:00,828
I said, "Yes."
421
00:19:00,828 --> 00:19:04,732
I get a phone call from
the private investigator.
422
00:19:04,765 --> 00:19:07,001
He'd been on the
Toronto Homicide Squad,
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00:19:07,067 --> 00:19:08,769
so I knew him for years.
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00:19:08,802 --> 00:19:12,306
And he said, "I'm hired
by Brian Greenspan.
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00:19:12,339 --> 00:19:15,276
The Sherman family didn't
like the results of the first
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00:19:15,309 --> 00:19:20,314
autopsy, and they wanted
a second autopsy."
427
00:19:20,347 --> 00:19:23,284
Dr. Jim Cairns' job is to
go out and try and find a
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00:19:23,317 --> 00:19:26,487
pathologist who could do
a second set of autopsies.
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00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:29,123
He finds Dr. David Chiasson,
who is Ontario's
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00:19:29,156 --> 00:19:31,659
former Chief
Forensic Pathologist.
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00:19:31,692 --> 00:19:37,665
♪
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00:19:37,698 --> 00:19:40,467
At that time, Barry Sherman
was thought
433
00:19:40,501 --> 00:19:43,804
had hanged his wife, and
then hanged himself.
434
00:19:43,837 --> 00:19:46,373
I had originally thought that,
as many others did,
435
00:19:46,373 --> 00:19:48,008
they were hanging
from a great height.
436
00:19:48,008 --> 00:19:49,810
That,
that's not the case and,
437
00:19:49,843 --> 00:19:52,880
I heard from Dr. Jim Cairns
that the Shermans were
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00:19:52,947 --> 00:19:55,649
discovered in a
seated position,
439
00:19:55,683 --> 00:19:58,953
side-by-side,
belts around their neck,
440
00:19:59,019 --> 00:20:00,854
then tied to the railing.
441
00:20:00,888 --> 00:20:02,489
To be hanging, basically,
442
00:20:02,523 --> 00:20:04,391
your feet have to be
off the ground...
443
00:20:04,458 --> 00:20:07,561
so there's enough
weight to do it.
444
00:20:07,628 --> 00:20:10,864
But, there was next to
no weight on that at all.
445
00:20:10,898 --> 00:20:14,668
So, they couldn't have
hanged himself in, in,
446
00:20:14,702 --> 00:20:17,238
in that position,
impossible.
447
00:20:17,304 --> 00:20:18,906
And then he
tells me something
448
00:20:18,973 --> 00:20:21,008
really surprising to me.
449
00:20:21,041 --> 00:20:24,845
The pathologist found
bruises 'round the wrist
450
00:20:24,878 --> 00:20:28,882
consistent with the wrists
being tied together.
451
00:20:28,916 --> 00:20:30,718
They're much more prominent
in Barry's wrists
452
00:20:30,718 --> 00:20:32,419
than Honey's wrists.
453
00:20:32,419 --> 00:20:34,822
The fact that there
were marks and
454
00:20:34,855 --> 00:20:36,657
bruising on the wrists
455
00:20:36,690 --> 00:20:39,226
meant that the
wrists were tied together
456
00:20:39,260 --> 00:20:42,062
when they were alive.
457
00:20:42,096 --> 00:20:44,665
The second series of
autopsies had come to
458
00:20:44,698 --> 00:20:47,034
a very different
conclusion than
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00:20:47,067 --> 00:20:50,371
what the police
autopsies had arrived at.
460
00:20:50,404 --> 00:20:52,439
The pathologist phoned me,
and he said,
461
00:20:52,506 --> 00:20:55,509
"Jim, I finished
the autopsies.
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00:20:55,542 --> 00:20:59,380
And I'm telling, you now,
it's a double murder."
463
00:20:59,413 --> 00:21:01,081
♪
464
00:21:07,421 --> 00:21:10,357
♪
465
00:21:10,391 --> 00:21:13,694
After I left my conversation
with Dr. Cairns...
466
00:21:13,727 --> 00:21:16,363
I certainly had a
strong sense of...
467
00:21:16,397 --> 00:21:18,365
the scene of the crime.
468
00:21:18,399 --> 00:21:20,434
But It's rare that a
journalist will rely on
469
00:21:20,467 --> 00:21:22,803
just one source
for information.
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00:21:22,870 --> 00:21:26,106
So, I started looking around
for other people that
471
00:21:26,140 --> 00:21:29,310
I could meet with who had
some knowledge of
472
00:21:29,310 --> 00:21:31,245
the investigation.
473
00:21:31,278 --> 00:21:33,280
♪
474
00:21:33,314 --> 00:21:37,951
People in the investigation
world are very secretive.
475
00:21:37,985 --> 00:21:40,254
They don't want anybody
to know that
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00:21:40,287 --> 00:21:43,724
they're speaking
to a reporter.
477
00:21:43,757 --> 00:21:46,927
I end up at a coffee shop
with a source that
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00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:49,930
I will refer to as "Zero".
479
00:21:49,963 --> 00:21:52,666
♪
480
00:21:52,666 --> 00:21:57,071
I can't say who Zero is.
481
00:21:57,104 --> 00:22:01,475
But, Zero is a larger
-than-life character.
482
00:22:01,508 --> 00:22:04,645
Somebody that wants
to share information,
483
00:22:04,645 --> 00:22:08,449
but also wants to be the
leader of that conversation.
484
00:22:08,482 --> 00:22:10,317
♪
485
00:22:10,317 --> 00:22:13,854
How I work in
that situation is,
486
00:22:13,854 --> 00:22:17,191
I go out of my way to tell a
person like Zero what I know,
487
00:22:17,257 --> 00:22:20,194
and specifically
what I don't know...
488
00:22:20,260 --> 00:22:23,030
because I want him
to correct me.
489
00:22:23,030 --> 00:22:26,266
We start having this macabre
conversation about...
490
00:22:26,300 --> 00:22:30,003
ways that people
can hang themselves.
491
00:22:30,037 --> 00:22:33,374
I started telling Zero what
I had heard from my source,
492
00:22:33,374 --> 00:22:34,675
and of course,
I'm not telling him
493
00:22:34,708 --> 00:22:36,110
that it's Dr. Cairns,
but I say,
494
00:22:36,143 --> 00:22:38,645
"Look, they're actually in
a seated position."
495
00:22:38,645 --> 00:22:41,615
And, Zero nodded.
496
00:22:41,615 --> 00:22:43,984
So, I'm thinking, okay,
it's confirmatory,
497
00:22:44,051 --> 00:22:45,719
which is important.
498
00:22:45,786 --> 00:22:49,056
♪
499
00:22:49,123 --> 00:22:51,158
The other thing
we talk about is,
500
00:22:51,191 --> 00:22:54,361
that there's belts
around their neck.
501
00:22:54,395 --> 00:22:57,731
Zero suggests to me that
the belts were just
502
00:22:57,731 --> 00:22:59,900
placed around the neck.
503
00:22:59,900 --> 00:23:02,469
They may not
have killed them.
504
00:23:02,503 --> 00:23:05,572
And, I get a sense that
something else was
505
00:23:05,639 --> 00:23:07,040
the manner of their death,
506
00:23:07,074 --> 00:23:09,810
maybe something thinner
around their neck.
507
00:23:12,980 --> 00:23:16,383
♪
508
00:23:16,417 --> 00:23:19,386
[Hissing steam]
509
00:23:19,420 --> 00:23:21,555
I also say to Zero,
510
00:23:21,588 --> 00:23:23,223
"My understanding
is that their
511
00:23:23,257 --> 00:23:25,993
hands were bound
in front of them, like this."
512
00:23:26,059 --> 00:23:28,495
But then he says
something interesting.
513
00:23:28,529 --> 00:23:31,899
"Yes, there are markings
on their wrists,
514
00:23:31,932 --> 00:23:33,700
but just be careful
515
00:23:33,734 --> 00:23:37,938
how you describe their
hands because...
516
00:23:38,005 --> 00:23:41,608
nobody knows if they
were tied in front
517
00:23:41,708 --> 00:23:43,944
or in behind their back."
518
00:23:43,944 --> 00:23:47,214
A word that's used in our
conversation is "zap strap,"
519
00:23:47,247 --> 00:23:48,916
and a zap strap
is something that
520
00:23:48,949 --> 00:23:50,717
is used to
bind prisoners.
521
00:23:50,751 --> 00:23:52,419
It's like a handcuff.
522
00:23:52,453 --> 00:23:54,188
When somebody
adds more detail,
523
00:23:54,221 --> 00:23:57,591
it helps me assess
their credibility.
524
00:23:57,624 --> 00:23:59,460
I said, "Are they
looking for the ties?"
525
00:23:59,526 --> 00:24:00,928
And he said, you know,
basically,
526
00:24:00,928 --> 00:24:03,697
"They're not gonna find the
ties, they're long gone."
527
00:24:03,730 --> 00:24:05,933
So, my heart's beating
a little more quickly.
528
00:24:05,966 --> 00:24:07,534
I've now talked to
two people
529
00:24:07,568 --> 00:24:11,438
who have involvement
in this case.
530
00:24:11,438 --> 00:24:13,974
I walk away from that meeting
knowing I have a story
531
00:24:14,041 --> 00:24:17,077
that says, according to the
private investigative team,
532
00:24:17,110 --> 00:24:19,079
Barry and Honey
Sherman were murdered.
533
00:24:19,112 --> 00:24:21,748
♪
534
00:24:21,782 --> 00:24:24,785
That goes to press, and
everything explodes.
535
00:24:24,818 --> 00:24:26,386
♪
536
00:24:26,420 --> 00:24:29,990
It's such a big story that
it doesn't even have to say,
537
00:24:29,990 --> 00:24:31,391
'The Shermans"
were murdered.
538
00:24:31,425 --> 00:24:33,660
Everybody knows who
we're talking about.
539
00:24:33,727 --> 00:24:35,395
[News] It's a
bombshell headline.
540
00:24:35,429 --> 00:24:37,798
Today a report in the
Toronto Star says Barry and
541
00:24:37,798 --> 00:24:39,933
Honey Sherman
were murdered.
542
00:24:39,967 --> 00:24:42,936
Kevin Donovan was the
one bringing out all the
543
00:24:42,970 --> 00:24:46,073
information about the
secondary investigation.
544
00:24:46,139 --> 00:24:48,775
A huge shift in the
narrative of this story,
545
00:24:48,809 --> 00:24:50,911
which has really
gone worldwide.
546
00:24:50,944 --> 00:24:52,446
This was all over
TV and radio,
547
00:24:52,479 --> 00:24:55,516
and the competing
newspapers as well.
548
00:24:55,582 --> 00:24:57,784
The Toronto Police
had egg on their face.
549
00:24:57,851 --> 00:25:00,354
And, a week after
our story comes out,
550
00:25:00,420 --> 00:25:02,756
they realize they have to
hold a press conference.
551
00:25:02,789 --> 00:25:06,593
♪
552
00:25:08,495 --> 00:25:11,598
We have sufficient evidence
to describe this as
553
00:25:11,632 --> 00:25:14,268
a double homicide
investigation.
554
00:25:14,301 --> 00:25:16,270
And that both Honey and
Barry Sherman
555
00:25:16,303 --> 00:25:18,305
were in fact targeted.
556
00:25:18,372 --> 00:25:20,340
[News] Investigators confirming
what has already been
557
00:25:20,374 --> 00:25:22,376
in the news for
nearly a week.
558
00:25:22,442 --> 00:25:26,013
It's always baffled me how
it would take that long
559
00:25:26,046 --> 00:25:28,015
to call this a
double homicide.
560
00:25:28,048 --> 00:25:30,651
Shortly after
they were killed,
561
00:25:30,684 --> 00:25:33,554
CTV reached out to me.
562
00:25:33,620 --> 00:25:35,989
The idea that you would...
563
00:25:36,023 --> 00:25:39,860
hang your spouse and then
hang yourself or vice versa...
564
00:25:39,893 --> 00:25:42,029
just never worked for me.
565
00:25:42,062 --> 00:25:43,530
♪
566
00:25:43,564 --> 00:25:46,166
It struck me as I
read about this case,
567
00:25:46,166 --> 00:25:49,236
if you look at the
way they were found,
568
00:25:49,303 --> 00:25:52,339
as it's been described,
in the sitting position,
569
00:25:52,372 --> 00:25:54,908
and then they're propped up
on this railing,
570
00:25:54,908 --> 00:25:57,077
and that's where the
belts are tied to.
571
00:25:57,144 --> 00:25:59,379
But, that position
didn't kill them.
572
00:25:59,413 --> 00:26:02,816
So, that would suggest
that they're already dead.
573
00:26:02,849 --> 00:26:05,419
And they were staged.
574
00:26:05,419 --> 00:26:07,521
You would have to drag
them into that position.
575
00:26:07,554 --> 00:26:10,724
How in the world could
Barry kill his wife,
576
00:26:10,724 --> 00:26:13,193
but then kill himself, and
then stage both of them?
577
00:26:13,226 --> 00:26:15,762
I mean, there was just
nothing about the scene that
578
00:26:15,829 --> 00:26:19,566
even would remotely suggest
that it was a murder-suicide.
579
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,169
♪
580
00:26:22,202 --> 00:26:24,237
The effect of the stories
was to completely change the
581
00:26:24,237 --> 00:26:26,840
course of the Toronto
police investigation into
582
00:26:26,873 --> 00:26:28,775
Barry and Honey
Sherman's death.
583
00:26:28,775 --> 00:26:30,510
[News] Targeted and killed.
584
00:26:30,544 --> 00:26:32,379
Toronto police are now
treating Barry and
585
00:26:32,412 --> 00:26:34,448
Honey Sherman's death
as a double murder.
586
00:26:34,548 --> 00:26:37,918
This debunks earlier
reports of a murder-suicide,
587
00:26:37,918 --> 00:26:39,953
and validates what the
Sherman family
588
00:26:40,020 --> 00:26:41,922
thought all along.
589
00:26:41,955 --> 00:26:43,757
"This conclusion was expressed
by the family from the
590
00:26:43,790 --> 00:26:46,526
outset, and is consistent
with the findings of the
591
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,696
independent autopsy
and investigation."
592
00:26:49,730 --> 00:26:52,032
I've been around
news a long time and,
593
00:26:52,099 --> 00:26:54,735
I'd never seen the police
just change track
594
00:26:54,768 --> 00:26:56,903
following a story
in a newspaper.
595
00:26:56,970 --> 00:26:58,538
Never seen it.
596
00:26:58,572 --> 00:27:00,941
They probably choked on
these words, but they said,
597
00:27:00,974 --> 00:27:04,378
"Yeah, it's murder-murder."
And, Kevin was right.
598
00:27:11,418 --> 00:27:18,759
♪
599
00:27:18,792 --> 00:27:21,795
Given that the police
investigation really doesn't
600
00:27:21,828 --> 00:27:24,731
get going properly
for six weeks,
601
00:27:24,765 --> 00:27:27,934
so much evidence
has been lost.
602
00:27:27,968 --> 00:27:32,005
♪
603
00:27:32,072 --> 00:27:34,941
If, in fact, a decision was
made within a few hours to
604
00:27:34,975 --> 00:27:38,011
call it a
murder-suicide, then,
605
00:27:38,078 --> 00:27:41,248
they don't process
the scene correctly.
606
00:27:41,281 --> 00:27:45,452
Tangible things disappear
like witness interviews,
607
00:27:45,485 --> 00:27:49,122
neighbour interviews,
cameras.
608
00:27:49,156 --> 00:27:51,758
Weeks or months later,
If you really think you have
609
00:27:51,792 --> 00:27:55,162
a double homicide,
it's hard to catch up.
610
00:27:55,162 --> 00:27:58,031
[Kevin] There are two teams
of investigators:
611
00:27:58,098 --> 00:28:01,501
The Sherman private
investigation team...
612
00:28:01,535 --> 00:28:03,770
and the Toronto Police.
613
00:28:03,804 --> 00:28:05,939
And then, there's my
own investigation,
614
00:28:05,972 --> 00:28:09,109
on behalf of the
Toronto Star.
615
00:28:09,142 --> 00:28:12,646
In general, reporters don't
like to be in the story.
616
00:28:12,679 --> 00:28:15,816
Kevin became a part of
the story, legitimately,
617
00:28:15,849 --> 00:28:17,884
because he's finding
out facts that...
618
00:28:17,951 --> 00:28:20,520
it turns out the
police don't know.
619
00:28:20,554 --> 00:28:22,656
[Kevin]
I was given two assignments.
620
00:28:22,689 --> 00:28:26,059
I've done the first part
of my task, which is,
621
00:28:26,059 --> 00:28:29,663
was it murder-suicide
or double homicide?
622
00:28:29,696 --> 00:28:32,899
Now I've got this really
big task: Who done it?
623
00:28:32,899 --> 00:28:40,907
♪
624
00:28:40,907 --> 00:28:43,977
I start thinking, okay,
well, who are their enemies?
625
00:28:44,010 --> 00:28:45,879
I need to know who
they are to see
626
00:28:45,912 --> 00:28:48,248
who might have wanted
to do that to them.
627
00:28:48,348 --> 00:28:50,717
♪
628
00:28:50,717 --> 00:28:52,719
It's most important to
get to the people
629
00:28:52,753 --> 00:28:54,588
who are closest
to the Shermans.
630
00:28:54,588 --> 00:28:58,525
That means their immediate
family, their best friends.
631
00:28:58,558 --> 00:29:00,193
From the very start,
632
00:29:00,227 --> 00:29:03,063
the Sherman family just
did not want to talk,
633
00:29:03,096 --> 00:29:04,564
both to me and
to other media.
634
00:29:04,598 --> 00:29:06,366
They're very private.
635
00:29:06,399 --> 00:29:09,503
They didn't want to have
anything to do with the media.
636
00:29:09,536 --> 00:29:12,172
And same, I would say,
of their friends.
637
00:29:12,205 --> 00:29:14,407
♪
638
00:29:14,441 --> 00:29:18,078
There was a concern in the
Toronto Jewish community that
639
00:29:18,078 --> 00:29:19,880
there's a killer out there
that is targeting
640
00:29:19,913 --> 00:29:23,784
wealthy people of
Jewish descent.
641
00:29:23,784 --> 00:29:27,954
That makes me wonder,
is there a concern that,
642
00:29:28,021 --> 00:29:30,590
with the killer or
killers still at large,
643
00:29:30,624 --> 00:29:33,426
that by talking about
Barry and Honey,
644
00:29:33,460 --> 00:29:36,696
they will be targeted?
645
00:29:36,730 --> 00:29:39,366
I've never had so much
difficulty getting to people
646
00:29:39,399 --> 00:29:41,301
on the inside.
647
00:29:41,301 --> 00:29:44,371
So, I look back at
the Sherman funeral.
648
00:29:44,404 --> 00:29:45,972
I wasn't there,
649
00:29:45,972 --> 00:29:49,242
but I watched the video of
the funeral multiple times.
650
00:29:49,276 --> 00:29:52,379
I wanted to study it,
and learn more about
651
00:29:52,412 --> 00:29:55,048
Barry and
Honey Sherman.
652
00:29:55,081 --> 00:29:57,884
Normally, a funeral of
somebody like Barry and
653
00:29:57,918 --> 00:30:00,053
Honey Sherman would be in
654
00:30:00,086 --> 00:30:02,789
Benjamin's Chapel in Toronto.
655
00:30:02,823 --> 00:30:05,926
It's where many of the
Jewish funerals are held.
656
00:30:05,926 --> 00:30:07,294
Everybody was
thinking, at first,
657
00:30:07,294 --> 00:30:09,396
it was going to be a
small family thing
658
00:30:09,429 --> 00:30:11,998
'cause of the way
that they'd died.
659
00:30:12,065 --> 00:30:14,568
♪
660
00:30:14,601 --> 00:30:18,171
But it got bigger
and bigger.
661
00:30:18,238 --> 00:30:20,140
It was at one of those
places where they have
662
00:30:20,173 --> 00:30:22,609
the conventions
and all of that.
663
00:30:22,642 --> 00:30:25,111
They wanted to make sure
that everybody who was
664
00:30:25,145 --> 00:30:28,949
touched by the Shermans
could be there in person.
665
00:30:28,982 --> 00:30:30,617
[News] Thousands came to
a memorial service in
666
00:30:30,650 --> 00:30:32,452
Mississauga on
December 21,
667
00:30:32,485 --> 00:30:34,120
including Prime Minister
Trudeau,
668
00:30:34,154 --> 00:30:37,190
Premiere Wynne,
and Mayor Tory.
669
00:30:37,257 --> 00:30:38,425
Like, I've never been
at a funeral
670
00:30:38,458 --> 00:30:40,460
with thousands of people.
671
00:30:40,493 --> 00:30:42,495
Some people said, "Aren't
you scared that there may be
672
00:30:42,596 --> 00:30:46,600
an attack on thousands
of people there?"
673
00:30:46,633 --> 00:30:48,335
I said, "No, because
the Prime Minister,
674
00:30:48,368 --> 00:30:50,837
the Mayor, and the Premier
of the province of Ontario
675
00:30:50,871 --> 00:30:51,805
are going to be there.
676
00:30:51,972 --> 00:30:55,008
You'll have police
all around there."
677
00:30:55,008 --> 00:30:59,646
Seated near the front,
all in blue Apotex t-shirts,
678
00:30:59,679 --> 00:31:02,015
are the Apotex staff.
679
00:31:02,048 --> 00:31:04,317
Barry was loved
by his employees.
680
00:31:04,351 --> 00:31:07,120
He treated them with
incredible respect.
681
00:31:07,153 --> 00:31:08,622
He was their leader.
682
00:31:08,655 --> 00:31:10,991
He was the champion.
He was the founder.
683
00:31:11,024 --> 00:31:15,662
And you could
feel the emotions.
684
00:31:15,695 --> 00:31:18,965
Apotex created jobs
for a lot of people,
685
00:31:18,999 --> 00:31:22,702
and gave the Sherman family
the ability to put
686
00:31:22,736 --> 00:31:26,039
a lot back into
the community.
687
00:31:26,072 --> 00:31:28,909
They gave away millions
and millions of their
688
00:31:28,909 --> 00:31:33,880
hard-earned dollars to
change this world.
689
00:31:33,914 --> 00:31:36,483
These people made
a difference.
690
00:31:36,516 --> 00:31:38,418
I saw it with my own eyes.
691
00:31:38,418 --> 00:31:42,088
They were, without question,
the most significant
692
00:31:42,188 --> 00:31:44,858
philanthropists in
the Jewish community,
693
00:31:44,891 --> 00:31:46,326
and to a great extent,
694
00:31:46,359 --> 00:31:47,894
outside the Jewish
community as well.
695
00:31:47,894 --> 00:31:49,896
I feel a great sense
of privilege...
696
00:31:49,996 --> 00:31:52,532
There are eulogies from
Toronto mayor, John Tory,
697
00:31:52,565 --> 00:31:55,068
and Ontario Premier,
Kathleen Wynne,
698
00:31:55,101 --> 00:31:56,703
and other dignitaries,
699
00:31:56,736 --> 00:32:00,006
as well as Barry and
Honey's friends and family.
700
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:04,411
Mary Shechtman is Honey's
sister and best friend.
701
00:32:04,411 --> 00:32:08,915
We were survivors of the
Holocaust, my family.
702
00:32:08,949 --> 00:32:13,887
And all I had was my mother,
my father, and my sister.
703
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,589
Losing her sister and
her brother-in-law...
704
00:32:16,623 --> 00:32:20,794
and the way she lost them.
She was in shock.
705
00:32:20,860 --> 00:32:22,696
When you go to a funeral,
706
00:32:22,729 --> 00:32:26,733
you may think you know a
particular person,
707
00:32:26,766 --> 00:32:29,069
but you hear things about a
person that you would
708
00:32:29,102 --> 00:32:31,604
never, ever know about.
709
00:32:31,638 --> 00:32:35,608
Of their personal life,
of their family dynamics.
710
00:32:35,608 --> 00:32:38,945
The four children
come up on stage:
711
00:32:38,979 --> 00:32:42,949
Lauren, Jonathon, Kaelen,
and Alexandra.
712
00:32:42,983 --> 00:32:46,152
Jonathan takes the podium.
713
00:32:46,219 --> 00:32:49,155
He basically put a
challenge out there,
714
00:32:49,222 --> 00:32:51,291
and right to the police...
715
00:32:51,324 --> 00:32:56,663
that there's no way that
this was a murder-suicide.
716
00:32:56,730 --> 00:32:59,132
Before we could begin
to grieve as a family,
717
00:32:59,165 --> 00:33:03,436
and recover in a
proper Jewish manner,
718
00:33:03,470 --> 00:33:06,606
we've had to navigate
through a terrifying maze of
719
00:33:06,639 --> 00:33:11,111
non-information and
unfounded speculation.
720
00:33:11,144 --> 00:33:14,080
I was sat in a row with...
721
00:33:14,114 --> 00:33:17,317
a lot of their close,
close personal friends.
722
00:33:17,350 --> 00:33:20,120
We listened to the son,
723
00:33:20,153 --> 00:33:21,988
who condemned
the police there.
724
00:33:22,022 --> 00:33:23,456
That's what really shocked me.
725
00:33:23,490 --> 00:33:26,326
Everybody was shocked.
726
00:33:26,359 --> 00:33:31,598
Jonathan then delivers a
well-scripted eulogy that
727
00:33:31,631 --> 00:33:34,300
he's obviously spent
some time working on.
728
00:33:34,334 --> 00:33:37,804
Our family legacy,
like so many others,
729
00:33:37,837 --> 00:33:41,174
emerged like a phoenix
from the ashes of the
730
00:33:41,207 --> 00:33:44,778
European Holocaust,
shattered and broken,
731
00:33:44,811 --> 00:33:50,350
only to rise and
rebuild and to thrive.
732
00:33:50,383 --> 00:33:51,785
[Sniffling]
733
00:33:51,818 --> 00:33:53,353
In honour of our parents,
734
00:33:53,386 --> 00:33:56,189
we promise to do the
same thing now.
735
00:33:56,222 --> 00:33:59,225
We have pulled together
during this most tragic time.
736
00:33:59,292 --> 00:34:02,195
We are taking some
comfort in knowing...
737
00:34:02,228 --> 00:34:05,298
that you two are
together forever.
738
00:34:05,331 --> 00:34:08,034
I get a better sense of
Barry and Honey Sherman
739
00:34:08,068 --> 00:34:10,870
as parents, friends,
and philanthropists.
740
00:34:10,904 --> 00:34:13,139
And it also becomes
clear to me that
741
00:34:13,173 --> 00:34:15,742
you can't separate
Barry Sherman from Apotex,
742
00:34:15,809 --> 00:34:17,877
the company he'd created.
743
00:34:17,877 --> 00:34:19,879
For 35 years...
744
00:34:19,913 --> 00:34:22,849
I was incredibly
privileged
745
00:34:22,882 --> 00:34:27,854
to work side-by-side,
day-by-day...
746
00:34:27,887 --> 00:34:30,990
[Sighing]
...with Barry.
747
00:34:31,024 --> 00:34:33,159
Barry and Jack Kay
748
00:34:33,193 --> 00:34:36,696
worked in adjoining
offices at Apotex.
749
00:34:36,729 --> 00:34:40,433
They talked about being
almost like brothers.
750
00:34:40,500 --> 00:34:45,338
Barry, I will miss you,
as will all the Apotex-
751
00:34:45,371 --> 00:34:49,843
[Voice breaking]
...fa-family.
752
00:34:49,876 --> 00:34:53,379
I would say that Apotex
was Barry's 5th child.
753
00:34:53,413 --> 00:34:57,083
He had 4 natural children,
that are his own.
754
00:34:57,117 --> 00:35:00,186
His child, of Apotex.
755
00:35:00,220 --> 00:35:04,724
Work was on his mind 24/7.
756
00:35:04,757 --> 00:35:06,392
[Kevin] I know I need to
learn more about
757
00:35:06,426 --> 00:35:08,528
Barry Sherman,
the businessman.
758
00:35:08,561 --> 00:35:10,263
Could a professional
grievance have had
759
00:35:10,296 --> 00:35:12,866
something to do with the
Sherman murders?
760
00:35:12,899 --> 00:35:15,869
Oh, in the
pharmaceutical business,
761
00:35:15,902 --> 00:35:17,971
a lot of people hated Barry.
762
00:35:24,277 --> 00:35:25,979
One of the things about the
murders of Barry and
763
00:35:25,979 --> 00:35:28,748
Honey Sherman is
everybody has a theory.
764
00:35:28,781 --> 00:35:30,316
♪
765
00:35:30,383 --> 00:35:32,118
Very soon after...
766
00:35:32,118 --> 00:35:34,420
Barry and Honey's
bodies were found,
767
00:35:34,454 --> 00:35:36,990
the rumour mill was
working on overdrive.
768
00:35:37,056 --> 00:35:38,391
Across the internet,
769
00:35:38,424 --> 00:35:41,794
there were theories as
bizarre as Bill and
770
00:35:41,828 --> 00:35:44,464
Hillary Clinton were
involved in the murders.
771
00:35:44,497 --> 00:35:47,467
Some people think it could
be a hitman coming over
772
00:35:47,500 --> 00:35:49,502
to do the job
for somebody.
773
00:35:49,569 --> 00:35:51,271
Could this be a
contract killing?
774
00:35:51,304 --> 00:35:53,606
Well, I suppose it could be.
775
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,642
Contract killers...
776
00:35:55,642 --> 00:35:58,678
try to throw people off
as to what's going on.
777
00:35:58,745 --> 00:36:00,780
[Kevin] But who would
take out a contract hit
778
00:36:00,813 --> 00:36:02,615
on the Shermans?
779
00:36:02,649 --> 00:36:06,186
♪
780
00:36:06,186 --> 00:36:11,124
I start googling Barry
Sherman and Apotex.
781
00:36:11,157 --> 00:36:15,461
Apotex is in the business
of generic pharmaceuticals.
782
00:36:15,495 --> 00:36:18,131
And, as I'm searching...
783
00:36:18,164 --> 00:36:21,534
all these lawsuits
started popping up.
784
00:36:21,534 --> 00:36:24,804
When you're litigious,
and litigious in a big way,
785
00:36:24,837 --> 00:36:26,773
you offend people.
786
00:36:26,806 --> 00:36:28,308
That's the way Barry was.
787
00:36:28,341 --> 00:36:32,278
And, Barry got into a lot
of litigious disputes
788
00:36:32,312 --> 00:36:34,480
with pharmaceutical people.
789
00:36:34,514 --> 00:36:37,283
In the world of generic
drug companies,
790
00:36:37,317 --> 00:36:41,721
on a global basis,
Apotex was near the top.
791
00:36:41,788 --> 00:36:45,124
You have to have a lot of
guts to play in the generic
792
00:36:45,158 --> 00:36:49,829
marketplace, and Apotex
was very litigious.
793
00:36:49,862 --> 00:36:51,497
People say Barry Sherman
is one of
794
00:36:51,531 --> 00:36:54,801
the most litigious
people in Canada.
795
00:36:54,834 --> 00:36:57,904
Could a rival or embittered
pharmaceutical company
796
00:36:57,971 --> 00:37:00,840
have possibly been
behind the murders?
797
00:37:00,873 --> 00:37:04,544
First, I needed to understand
the world of generic drugs.
798
00:37:07,380 --> 00:37:09,215
With generic drug
manufacturers,
799
00:37:09,215 --> 00:37:11,150
they're trying to...
800
00:37:11,184 --> 00:37:15,655
copy patents held by
other drug manufacturers.
801
00:37:15,688 --> 00:37:18,424
I worked with my
father as a lawyer,
802
00:37:18,424 --> 00:37:20,393
and Barry's name
would come up.
803
00:37:20,426 --> 00:37:25,231
My dad had a client who
had issues with Barry.
804
00:37:25,265 --> 00:37:27,767
And, for Barry's
company, Apotex,
805
00:37:27,867 --> 00:37:29,402
that's part of the
business model,
806
00:37:29,402 --> 00:37:32,672
is to take these patents,
modify to a certain degree
807
00:37:32,739 --> 00:37:37,010
the drug composition,
and then sell them.
808
00:37:37,043 --> 00:37:40,613
Barry would look at a drug,
809
00:37:40,613 --> 00:37:42,915
and looked at how can he
810
00:37:42,949 --> 00:37:45,918
formulate the product
in a different way?
811
00:37:45,918 --> 00:37:49,022
Barry did astrophysics and
aeronautical engineering
812
00:37:49,055 --> 00:37:50,590
as his degrees.
813
00:37:50,623 --> 00:37:53,426
He didn't take chemistry
and pharmaceutical sciences.
814
00:37:53,459 --> 00:37:56,529
But Barry knows everything
about formulations of
815
00:37:56,562 --> 00:38:00,466
pharmaceuticals because
he's absolutely brilliant.
816
00:38:00,533 --> 00:38:02,135
The companies that
hold the patents are
817
00:38:02,201 --> 00:38:04,137
claiming patent
infringement,
818
00:38:04,203 --> 00:38:06,572
and there's always litigation
between the generic drug
819
00:38:06,606 --> 00:38:10,977
manufacturer and the company
that holds the patent.
820
00:38:11,044 --> 00:38:13,880
You couldn't frighten Barry
821
00:38:13,913 --> 00:38:16,916
by telling him you're
going to sue him...
822
00:38:16,949 --> 00:38:21,387
because Barry
knew more
823
00:38:21,421 --> 00:38:23,623
than his lawyer.
824
00:38:23,656 --> 00:38:24,891
He didn't go to law school,
825
00:38:24,924 --> 00:38:27,794
but Barry was
the chief lawyer.
826
00:38:27,827 --> 00:38:30,797
He's a strategist. He
knows how to play people.
827
00:38:30,830 --> 00:38:34,600
He knows how to play the
rules and procedures.
828
00:38:34,634 --> 00:38:37,470
That's the intellectual
challenge...
829
00:38:37,503 --> 00:38:39,605
that Barry was
really good at.
830
00:38:39,639 --> 00:38:42,642
If you can figure out the
loopholes, and if,
831
00:38:42,642 --> 00:38:44,610
legally, you could
get away with it,
832
00:38:44,644 --> 00:38:47,347
the opportunity
would be massive,
833
00:38:47,347 --> 00:38:50,149
in the hundreds of millions
of dollars, because
834
00:38:50,183 --> 00:38:55,988
you're taking from the brand
name sales immediately.
835
00:38:56,022 --> 00:38:59,859
[Kevin] By 2015,
2016, 2017...
836
00:38:59,926 --> 00:39:02,428
Apotex is really doing well.
837
00:39:02,462 --> 00:39:05,098
$1.6 billion in revenue.
838
00:39:05,131 --> 00:39:07,800
The big pharmaceutical
companies were saying,
839
00:39:07,834 --> 00:39:10,536
"Hang on a second, we've
spent so much money and
840
00:39:10,603 --> 00:39:13,473
time with R&D to
create these drugs.
841
00:39:13,506 --> 00:39:16,642
And then Barry Sherman
gets to sell our drug?
842
00:39:16,676 --> 00:39:18,511
That's not fair."
843
00:39:18,544 --> 00:39:20,847
Believe me, the brand
companies do not like it.
844
00:39:20,847 --> 00:39:22,615
They hate it.
845
00:39:22,615 --> 00:39:26,819
[Murray] Barry was a guy
that liked action.
846
00:39:26,853 --> 00:39:29,155
And if you're
looking for action,
847
00:39:29,188 --> 00:39:31,724
you're going to get it
because the
848
00:39:31,791 --> 00:39:35,628
brand name companies
are out to...
849
00:39:35,661 --> 00:39:37,797
slit your throat.
850
00:39:37,830 --> 00:39:44,170
♪
851
00:39:44,203 --> 00:39:46,739
[Kevin] Taking what I know
about the crime scene,
852
00:39:46,739 --> 00:39:49,909
does the manner of their
death offer any clues about
853
00:39:49,909 --> 00:39:53,146
the identity of the
killer or killers?
854
00:39:53,179 --> 00:39:56,015
Barry and Honey Sherman
are seated side-by-side,
855
00:39:56,048 --> 00:39:58,317
belts around their neck.
856
00:39:58,351 --> 00:39:59,919
Without a shadow of doubt,
857
00:39:59,986 --> 00:40:03,856
they were posed
in that position.
858
00:40:03,890 --> 00:40:07,427
This was just a setup
to confuse everything,
859
00:40:07,427 --> 00:40:10,196
because this guy
was a professional.
860
00:40:10,229 --> 00:40:12,665
One thing you always
have to focus on is
861
00:40:12,698 --> 00:40:14,901
what logically makes
sense in a case.
862
00:40:14,934 --> 00:40:16,903
You're talking about
potentially assaulting
863
00:40:16,936 --> 00:40:19,038
two different people.
864
00:40:19,071 --> 00:40:21,374
Subduing them,
tying them up.
865
00:40:21,407 --> 00:40:24,110
And ultimately, putting a
ligature around them and
866
00:40:24,110 --> 00:40:26,279
killing them.
867
00:40:26,345 --> 00:40:30,183
What I just described is going
to take a lot of minutes.
868
00:40:30,216 --> 00:40:32,251
Why would you do all
of that, if in fact,
869
00:40:32,251 --> 00:40:33,252
you just wanted
to kill them
870
00:40:33,553 --> 00:40:36,189
when you could shoot them
in about 10 seconds?
871
00:40:36,222 --> 00:40:39,892
♪
872
00:40:39,926 --> 00:40:42,695
Believe me, the brand
companies do not like the
873
00:40:42,728 --> 00:40:45,231
generic drug companies.
874
00:40:45,264 --> 00:40:47,733
But it's part of business.
875
00:40:47,767 --> 00:40:49,368
A pharmaceutical company,
876
00:40:49,402 --> 00:40:52,138
they're not going to engage
a professional killer.
877
00:40:52,205 --> 00:40:54,240
Imagine being at
a board meeting,
878
00:40:54,273 --> 00:40:57,310
and having the
ES Officer saying,
879
00:40:57,376 --> 00:41:00,880
"Ah, yes, we just arranged
for the assassination of
880
00:41:00,913 --> 00:41:03,082
our number one
generic competitor."
881
00:41:03,115 --> 00:41:05,051
That is not going to fly.
882
00:41:05,084 --> 00:41:07,720
It would be a comedy fest,
quite frankly.
883
00:41:07,753 --> 00:41:10,556
Companies do not do this...
884
00:41:10,590 --> 00:41:13,926
because guess what?
Apotex still exists.
885
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:18,231
The organization has
a life to its own.
886
00:41:18,264 --> 00:41:20,566
So, to me...
887
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:25,805
a brand company would have
absolutely no reason to kill.
888
00:41:25,805 --> 00:41:28,574
Ever, ever, ever.
889
00:41:28,608 --> 00:41:30,142
Is it possible? Sure.
890
00:41:30,176 --> 00:41:32,745
Is it likely?
It's my professional opinion,
891
00:41:32,778 --> 00:41:35,648
it's not likely that this is
a contract killing.
892
00:41:35,681 --> 00:41:43,189
♪
893
00:41:43,189 --> 00:41:45,525
[Kevin] There's another
theory of the case.
894
00:41:45,591 --> 00:41:47,026
People have
speculated that
895
00:41:47,093 --> 00:41:49,695
this is a crime
of retribution,
896
00:41:49,695 --> 00:41:52,965
that somebody is
mad at Barry and...
897
00:41:52,999 --> 00:41:55,868
they feel that maybe Barry
has done something
898
00:41:55,935 --> 00:41:57,036
horrible to them.
899
00:41:57,169 --> 00:41:59,939
They want to do something
horrible to Barry.
900
00:41:59,972 --> 00:42:02,875
The autopsy shows that...
901
00:42:02,942 --> 00:42:07,813
Barry and Honey had their
wrists bound at some point.
902
00:42:07,847 --> 00:42:11,551
A whole bunch of
questions arise from that.
903
00:42:11,617 --> 00:42:14,654
My guess would be that the
tying of the hands
904
00:42:14,687 --> 00:42:16,556
was just to subdue them.
905
00:42:16,622 --> 00:42:20,359
You bind both hands so
they can't fight back.
906
00:42:20,393 --> 00:42:23,229
And then, perhaps, the...
907
00:42:23,229 --> 00:42:27,033
the killer, or killers, force
them into the pool area and
908
00:42:27,066 --> 00:42:29,302
brought them down there
because they wanted to have
909
00:42:29,335 --> 00:42:32,171
a conversation with
them before they died.
910
00:42:32,204 --> 00:42:33,873
Maybe told them why
they were doing it.
911
00:42:33,906 --> 00:42:35,241
And the reason you
do that, obviously,
912
00:42:35,308 --> 00:42:38,177
is you want them to suffer.
913
00:42:38,210 --> 00:42:42,715
This is a big-time personal
way to kill people.
914
00:42:42,748 --> 00:42:44,150
The belts around their neck,
915
00:42:44,183 --> 00:42:47,053
perhaps that was strictly to
keep them upright...
916
00:42:47,053 --> 00:42:48,921
as a shock factor,
917
00:42:48,988 --> 00:42:51,724
when somebody walks
in to find them.
918
00:42:51,724 --> 00:42:54,160
It's just one more
step of sort of...
919
00:42:54,193 --> 00:42:56,696
poking the victims
in the eye.
920
00:42:56,729 --> 00:43:00,333
This crime just reeks
of somebody they know,
921
00:43:00,366 --> 00:43:02,735
and maybe even someone-
someone very close to them.
922
00:43:02,768 --> 00:43:07,239
♪
923
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:10,443
I start thinking, okay,
well, out of the people
924
00:43:10,509 --> 00:43:12,111
who are really close
to the Shermans,
925
00:43:12,178 --> 00:43:15,047
who would do that?
926
00:43:15,081 --> 00:43:18,017
I thought I might find
perhaps somebody who
927
00:43:18,050 --> 00:43:21,454
believes that they've been
wronged by Barry Sherman.
928
00:43:21,454 --> 00:43:23,356
They don't like
what he's doing.
929
00:43:23,389 --> 00:43:25,725
They don't like how
he's treating them.
930
00:43:25,758 --> 00:43:27,627
And they're angry.
931
00:43:30,863 --> 00:43:32,264
♪
932
00:43:32,298 --> 00:43:35,301
Next time on
Billionaire Murders...
933
00:43:35,301 --> 00:43:39,305
It's all about a long-term,
abusive relationship
934
00:43:39,372 --> 00:43:42,908
between Barry, Honey, and
whoever killed them.
935
00:43:42,942 --> 00:43:46,245
These two people died
a horrific death,
936
00:43:46,278 --> 00:43:48,080
and what they must
have gone through,
937
00:43:48,114 --> 00:43:50,449
we'll never understand.
938
00:43:50,483 --> 00:43:53,786
I felt like David going up
against Goliath.
939
00:43:53,819 --> 00:43:55,254
I've never seen that before.
940
00:43:55,287 --> 00:43:57,590
I've never seen a
reporter do that.
941
00:43:57,623 --> 00:44:00,393
He said something about
cutting off Barry Sherman's
942
00:44:00,459 --> 00:44:03,429
head, rolling it
down the parking lot.
943
00:44:03,462 --> 00:44:06,799
If it was a TV movie, this
would be your prime suspect.
944
00:44:06,832 --> 00:44:08,668
I need to find out,
945
00:44:08,668 --> 00:44:10,436
where was he on the
night of the murders?
946
00:44:10,469 --> 00:44:14,173
♪
947
00:44:14,240 --> 00:44:40,366
♪
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