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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:11,299 --> 00:00:27,015                ♪ 2 00:00:27,282 --> 00:00:28,784            It's a cold        morning in Toronto, 3 00:00:28,817 --> 00:00:30,819       and there was a light      dusting of snow in the 4 00:00:30,852 --> 00:00:33,455      upscale neighbourhood    where billionaire couple, 5 00:00:33,488 --> 00:00:35,323            Barry and      Honey Sherman live... 6 00:00:35,357 --> 00:00:37,959                ♪ 7 00:00:37,993 --> 00:00:39,728        The first person to       show up that morning 8 00:00:39,828 --> 00:00:41,396      is the cleaning lady. 9 00:00:41,463 --> 00:00:43,398       She arrives at 8:30. 10 00:00:43,465 --> 00:00:46,701         She notices that        the morning papers 11 00:00:46,735 --> 00:00:50,338      are outside the door. 12 00:00:50,372 --> 00:00:51,673      She unlocks the door. 13 00:00:51,706 --> 00:00:53,742     Normally, she would have       to disable the alarm. 14 00:00:53,809 --> 00:00:57,045         But, the alarm        has not been set. 15 00:00:57,079 --> 00:01:00,182        It's something that        strikes her as odd. 16 00:01:00,215 --> 00:01:02,984       She starts cleaning-     she goes upstairs first. 17 00:01:03,018 --> 00:01:06,721                ♪ 18 00:01:06,755 --> 00:01:08,857       A gardener shows up. 19 00:01:08,890 --> 00:01:12,561  This is winter, but she comes   in to water various plants 20 00:01:12,594 --> 00:01:14,362         that the Shermans        have in their home. 21 00:01:14,396 --> 00:01:16,498          So now, we have        the cleaning lady, 22 00:01:16,531 --> 00:01:18,700           and we have          the gardener. 23 00:01:18,733 --> 00:01:20,602                ♪ 24 00:01:20,669 --> 00:01:23,538        It's a busy day at         the Sherman home. 25 00:01:23,572 --> 00:01:25,173      The real estate agent         that works for 26 00:01:25,207 --> 00:01:27,042      the Shermans arrives. 27 00:01:27,075 --> 00:01:29,444    They've got clients coming       to look at the house, 28 00:01:29,511 --> 00:01:32,547        which is for sale        for $6.9 million. 29 00:01:32,581 --> 00:01:35,117         [Door creaking] 30 00:01:35,183 --> 00:01:38,186         Another agent and        two clients arrive. 31 00:01:38,220 --> 00:01:41,456   They're all now in the home,      and they start a tour. 32 00:01:41,456 --> 00:01:43,125                ♪ 33 00:01:43,191 --> 00:01:45,861    They look at the upstairs. 34 00:01:45,894 --> 00:01:48,196   They look at the main floor. 35 00:01:48,230 --> 00:01:50,632            And then,     they head downstairs... 36 00:01:50,699 --> 00:01:51,800         to the basement, 37 00:01:51,867 --> 00:01:54,903           to see the        underground pool. 38 00:01:54,936 --> 00:01:57,139     The realtor looks down, 39 00:01:57,205 --> 00:01:59,474          and she sees         driving gloves. 40 00:01:59,541 --> 00:02:01,610       And she also sees the      home inspection report 41 00:02:01,643 --> 00:02:03,545        she'd asked Barry         to bring home. 42 00:02:03,578 --> 00:02:05,981                ♪ 43 00:02:05,981 --> 00:02:08,717       She reaches down and       picks up the gloves. 44 00:02:08,750 --> 00:02:11,753    Then, with the realtor and      the two clients in tow, 45 00:02:11,786 --> 00:02:13,655         she continues... 46 00:02:13,655 --> 00:02:15,824     down the long hallway... 47 00:02:15,891 --> 00:02:18,126         to the swimming           pool room. 48 00:02:18,126 --> 00:02:25,800                ♪ 49 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:27,903           The overhead        lights are not on, 50 00:02:27,936 --> 00:02:30,238        but the pool lights        underwater are on. 51 00:02:30,272 --> 00:02:32,307      So there's a dim glow. 52 00:02:32,340 --> 00:02:35,076                ♪ 53 00:02:35,110 --> 00:02:37,279          She's about to        turn the lights on, 54 00:02:37,312 --> 00:02:39,080          but she looks         at the far end, 55 00:02:39,114 --> 00:02:41,583      and she sees that it's     Barry and Honey Sherman. 56 00:02:41,616 --> 00:02:43,151                ♪ 57 00:02:43,185 --> 00:02:45,120      And they're sitting... 58 00:02:45,153 --> 00:02:47,822      and leaning backwards. 59 00:02:47,856 --> 00:02:51,860     She's thinking, "Are they    doing some yoga position"? 60 00:02:51,927 --> 00:02:55,864    But then she thinks, "No,    this doesn't look good." 61 00:02:55,931 --> 00:02:57,866      She turns immediately, 62 00:02:57,933 --> 00:03:01,870       and hustles the other   realtor and the clients out. 63 00:03:01,870 --> 00:03:03,872    Says, "We'll be in touch." 64 00:03:03,939 --> 00:03:05,974          Hustles them          out the door. 65 00:03:06,007 --> 00:03:08,176                ♪ 66 00:03:08,276 --> 00:03:10,212        The realtor summons         the cleaning lady 67 00:03:10,278 --> 00:03:12,981        and the gardener,            and says, 68 00:03:13,014 --> 00:03:15,550       "There's something    terribly wrong downstairs 69 00:03:15,617 --> 00:03:17,552          with Barry and          Honey Sherman. 70 00:03:17,619 --> 00:03:19,487         Will you go down            and check?" 71 00:03:19,521 --> 00:03:24,459                ♪ 72 00:03:24,492 --> 00:03:28,129     The gardener goes into    the swimming pool room... 73 00:03:28,163 --> 00:03:30,532                ♪ 74 00:03:30,565 --> 00:03:34,903        Walks right up to      the Shermans' bodies. 75 00:03:34,903 --> 00:03:36,871     She turns on her heel... 76 00:03:36,905 --> 00:03:39,574    And she tells the realtor. 77 00:03:39,641 --> 00:03:42,577      The realtor calls 911. 78 00:03:42,577 --> 00:03:45,647       She says, "Somebody     has killed my clients." 79 00:03:45,680 --> 00:04:17,178                ♪ 80 00:04:19,547 --> 00:04:23,518   Barry and Honey Sherman were    not household names at all. 81 00:04:23,551 --> 00:04:25,520     It's really only through   their death that people have 82 00:04:25,553 --> 00:04:27,856        come to understand          who they were. 83 00:04:27,889 --> 00:04:30,725      Barry Sherman was the       founder of Apotex, 84 00:04:30,725 --> 00:04:32,927        one of the biggest      generic pharmaceutical 85 00:04:32,927 --> 00:04:34,896       companies in Canada. 86 00:04:34,929 --> 00:04:37,532      If you get a generic     drug prescribed to you, 87 00:04:37,565 --> 00:04:39,234        or even something        over the counter, 88 00:04:39,267 --> 00:04:42,871     it'll quite likely have         "Apotex" on it. 89 00:04:42,904 --> 00:04:46,374     The financial press has       said Barry Sherman 90 00:04:46,408 --> 00:04:50,945         is worth roughly           $4.5 billion. 91 00:04:50,979 --> 00:04:53,615      Honey Sherman was very       involved in charity, 92 00:04:53,615 --> 00:04:56,151       very involved in the         Jewish community. 93 00:04:56,217 --> 00:04:59,721      A tireless fundraiser. 94 00:04:59,754 --> 00:05:02,223     The Shermans were one of      Canada's wealthiest and 95 00:05:02,257 --> 00:05:05,327   most philanthropic couples. 96 00:05:05,393 --> 00:05:06,761         When they died, 97 00:05:06,795 --> 00:05:09,431         Honey was 70 and           Barry was 75. 98 00:05:09,464 --> 00:05:12,634                ♪ 99 00:05:12,667 --> 00:05:15,303        Very soon after the     Shermans were found dead 100 00:05:15,337 --> 00:05:17,739    on December 15th of 2017, 101 00:05:17,772 --> 00:05:19,607        the news spreads. 102 00:05:19,641 --> 00:05:21,109                ♪ 103 00:05:21,142 --> 00:05:23,645         [Phone ringing] 104 00:05:23,678 --> 00:05:27,148        A very close friend    called me, and tells me... 105 00:05:27,182 --> 00:05:29,017    "Honey and Barry are dead. 106 00:05:29,017 --> 00:05:31,286          And they're in      the basement." I said, 107 00:05:31,319 --> 00:05:34,322   "They have to have died of   carbon monoxide poisoning," 108 00:05:34,322 --> 00:05:38,660      because they couldn't      have had an aneurysm 109 00:05:38,693 --> 00:05:40,462      and just dropped dead        at the same time. 110 00:05:40,495 --> 00:05:41,930        That's impossible. 111 00:05:41,963 --> 00:05:43,865            ♪ [Opera] 112 00:05:43,865 --> 00:05:45,333       I was sitting at the         dining room table 113 00:05:45,367 --> 00:05:47,836    listening to music, and... 114 00:05:47,869 --> 00:05:49,871        I get a phone call          from my friend. 115 00:05:49,938 --> 00:05:50,972          And she said,          "Did you hear 116 00:05:51,005 --> 00:05:53,775         what happened to          the Shermans"? 117 00:05:53,808 --> 00:05:56,711      I was in a boardroom,          got an email. 118 00:05:56,778 --> 00:05:58,947     "Did you hear the news?" 119 00:05:58,980 --> 00:06:02,617       My first thought was        complete disbelief. 120 00:06:02,650 --> 00:06:04,819      How could this happen? 121 00:06:04,853 --> 00:06:06,488       Why did this happen? 122 00:06:06,521 --> 00:06:11,226      I can't even tell you        the sick feeling. 123 00:06:11,292 --> 00:06:15,530      I couldn't believe it.               Why? 124 00:06:15,530 --> 00:06:17,365            I went into       Forest Hill Village. 125 00:06:17,365 --> 00:06:19,033        And, around there, 126 00:06:19,067 --> 00:06:20,902          everybody knew         Honey and Barry. 127 00:06:20,969 --> 00:06:23,571        And, it was silent. 128 00:06:23,638 --> 00:06:26,141          People were on           their phones. 129 00:06:26,174 --> 00:06:30,011        But with looks of      shock on their faces. 130 00:06:30,044 --> 00:06:32,514   And you could see that they     were reading something 131 00:06:32,547 --> 00:06:34,582        that they couldn't            comprehend. 132 00:06:34,649 --> 00:06:35,850       I remember thinking, 133 00:06:35,884 --> 00:06:38,386         "This is exactly           how it was... 134 00:06:38,420 --> 00:06:41,489            on 9/11." 135 00:06:41,523 --> 00:06:44,025    [Camera shutters clicking] 136 00:06:44,092 --> 00:06:45,927      The story of Barry and       Honey Shermans' death 137 00:06:46,027 --> 00:06:47,829     breaks just before 4 PM 138 00:06:47,862 --> 00:06:49,931     on the Friday afternoon. 139 00:06:49,998 --> 00:06:51,499        [News] Police are   investigating the deaths of 140 00:06:51,533 --> 00:06:53,568    one of Canada's wealthiest        men, Barry Sherman, 141 00:06:53,568 --> 00:06:55,069       and his wife, Honey. 142 00:06:55,103 --> 00:06:57,238      People who live in this     North York neighbourhood 143 00:06:57,238 --> 00:06:59,040   say they are still in shock. 144 00:06:59,073 --> 00:07:00,842        It's such a loss        to the community, 145 00:07:00,875 --> 00:07:03,178     to the Jewish community,      and to Canada at large, 146 00:07:03,211 --> 00:07:04,846          'cause he was           such a good 147 00:07:04,879 --> 00:07:07,682          entrepreneur,         philanthropist. 148 00:07:07,715 --> 00:07:10,084          People are in        shock and crying. 149 00:07:10,118 --> 00:07:11,886      The Prime Minister is        among the people 150 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:14,255          who's expressed         his condolences. 151 00:07:14,255 --> 00:07:16,124         We've lost two         people who were 152 00:07:16,191 --> 00:07:18,293   big community contributors. 153 00:07:18,359 --> 00:07:20,862    Police say they have more     questions than answers 154 00:07:20,895 --> 00:07:22,197         when it comes to           the deaths of 155 00:07:22,230 --> 00:07:24,599         this billionaire          Toronto couple. 156 00:07:27,936 --> 00:07:29,904         [Phone ringing] 157 00:07:29,971 --> 00:07:31,306         My phone rings, 158 00:07:31,372 --> 00:07:34,042       and a good friend of         mine said to me: 159 00:07:34,075 --> 00:07:36,144        "What do you think         of the Shermans"? 160 00:07:36,144 --> 00:07:38,046      I knew Honey Sherman. 161 00:07:38,079 --> 00:07:39,447      I knew Barry Sherman. 162 00:07:39,447 --> 00:07:40,782     I'm a friend of theirs. 163 00:07:40,815 --> 00:07:44,219    I said, "Well, what award    did they win this time"? 164 00:07:44,252 --> 00:07:47,322   He says, "There's no award.         They're dead." 165 00:07:47,388 --> 00:07:50,124          I said, "What"?  I said- I couldn't believe it. 166 00:07:50,158 --> 00:07:53,061     I said, "What happened"?           And he says, 167 00:07:53,094 --> 00:07:55,663      "They were found dead      in a very strange way 168 00:07:55,730 --> 00:07:56,764         in their home." 169 00:07:57,065 --> 00:07:59,667    The circumstances of their     death appear suspicious. 170 00:07:59,734 --> 00:08:01,102      [News] The couple were          found hanging, 171 00:08:01,135 --> 00:08:04,439          in an area near        their indoor pool. 172 00:08:04,472 --> 00:08:07,141       [Paul] Don't forget,       I'm a newspaper guy. 173 00:08:07,175 --> 00:08:09,444         I wonder if my         people have it. 174 00:08:09,477 --> 00:08:12,347                ♪ 175 00:08:12,347 --> 00:08:16,150      Joe Warmington is my      guy who covers crime. 176 00:08:16,184 --> 00:08:18,253         I'll phone him.             I said, 177 00:08:18,286 --> 00:08:20,655      "Did you know anything       about the Shermans?" 178 00:08:20,688 --> 00:08:23,191        He says, "I'm at        their house now." 179 00:08:23,258 --> 00:08:27,295                ♪ 180 00:08:27,328 --> 00:08:29,764       I remember it being      a really snowy night. 181 00:08:29,797 --> 00:08:31,799                ♪ 182 00:08:31,833 --> 00:08:33,601       And there was lots of      people milling around, 183 00:08:33,635 --> 00:08:34,836     lots of reporters there. 184 00:08:34,869 --> 00:08:36,838                ♪ 185 00:08:36,871 --> 00:08:38,273          You knew it was       something different, 186 00:08:38,339 --> 00:08:41,042     it had a big feel to it. 187 00:08:41,109 --> 00:08:42,877     There was anticipation. 188 00:08:42,944 --> 00:08:45,980    And a real sense that this         was a story that 189 00:08:46,014 --> 00:08:48,550         a lot of people        would care about, 190 00:08:48,616 --> 00:08:52,453  and that any updates we could   deliver would be important. 191 00:08:52,487 --> 00:08:54,556                ♪ 192 00:08:54,622 --> 00:08:57,559    There was a bit of a hurry      up and wait  attitude. 193 00:08:57,625 --> 00:08:59,627   It was at least a couple of   hours that we were waiting 194 00:08:59,661 --> 00:09:03,531      until the police made      a statement at 8:00. 195 00:09:03,565 --> 00:09:05,567          [off-screen]      Oh, and here comes... 196 00:09:05,633 --> 00:09:07,235     Detective Brandon Price, 197 00:09:07,302 --> 00:09:09,904           who was the    second-in-charge officer, 198 00:09:09,971 --> 00:09:12,073    gives kind of an impromptu         press conference 199 00:09:12,140 --> 00:09:14,742          outside of the           Sherman home. 200 00:09:14,809 --> 00:09:18,313    I just want to put people     in the area's minds... 201 00:09:18,379 --> 00:09:20,715            at ease. 202 00:09:20,748 --> 00:09:22,984        I can say that... 203 00:09:23,017 --> 00:09:25,520      we did not observe any       signs of forced entry 204 00:09:25,553 --> 00:09:27,589              to the,         to the building. 205 00:09:27,589 --> 00:09:29,591              And so,         at this point... 206 00:09:29,657 --> 00:09:32,827      indications are that we   have no outstanding suspect. 207 00:09:32,860 --> 00:09:35,029       Thank you very much. 208 00:09:35,063 --> 00:09:37,432    The top editors were going   to go with the headline that 209 00:09:37,498 --> 00:09:39,767        they were executed. 210 00:09:39,867 --> 00:09:42,403    But the police are saying,    "Nudge, nudge, wink, wink, 211 00:09:42,403 --> 00:09:44,005        we're not looking         for somebody." 212 00:09:44,038 --> 00:09:45,740        They were pushing          the idea that 213 00:09:45,773 --> 00:09:48,376        there's no public        safety concerns, 214 00:09:48,409 --> 00:09:52,447     so that's code for it's       a suicide scenario. 215 00:09:52,513 --> 00:09:54,515                ♪ 216 00:09:54,549 --> 00:09:56,684       And then, I had to     make that phone call... 217 00:09:56,718 --> 00:09:59,253         to Mr. Godfrey. 218 00:09:59,253 --> 00:10:03,191    He said, "The police said,        'murder-suicide'." 219 00:10:03,224 --> 00:10:04,892  I says, "I don't believe it." 220 00:10:04,926 --> 00:10:08,630  This was personal for him. He,   he knew these people, and... 221 00:10:08,630 --> 00:10:10,698  his reaction was, right away,     like, "There's no way." 222 00:10:10,732 --> 00:10:11,699      I remember him saying, 223 00:10:11,933 --> 00:10:15,436       "There's no way this      was a murder-suicide." 224 00:10:15,470 --> 00:10:18,606   I'm just stunned by it all. 225 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:21,376       And, he says, "Well,         give me a quote." 226 00:10:21,409 --> 00:10:25,780     All I can say is, look,     a major loss for, for, 227 00:10:25,813 --> 00:10:29,817           for Toronto,         Ontario, Canada. 228 00:10:29,884 --> 00:10:32,220    [Joe] It was a long night,     I'll tell you, because... 229 00:10:32,253 --> 00:10:34,989     you don't want to mess     something like this up. 230 00:10:35,056 --> 00:10:36,991              But... 231 00:10:37,058 --> 00:10:38,893             You know,         the next day.... 232 00:10:38,926 --> 00:10:40,261                ♪ 233 00:10:40,395 --> 00:10:42,630   [Kevin] The news is on the   street from Joe Warmington: 234 00:10:42,664 --> 00:10:46,000    this is a murder-suicide. 235 00:10:46,067 --> 00:10:48,403     People at my newspaper,        the Toronto Star, 236 00:10:48,436 --> 00:10:50,071           The Globe,         everybody else, 237 00:10:50,104 --> 00:10:51,572        they start working            the phones, 238 00:10:51,606 --> 00:10:53,174         talking to their          police sources. 239 00:10:53,241 --> 00:10:54,609       They all confirm it. 240 00:10:54,642 --> 00:10:56,144        The Toronto police       are considering this 241 00:10:56,177 --> 00:10:58,112        a murder-suicide. 242 00:10:58,146 --> 00:11:00,348   [News] Sources suggested the  early theory for investigators 243 00:11:00,348 --> 00:11:02,450        is murder-suicide. 244 00:11:02,483 --> 00:11:04,686    [Kevin] It's an atom bomb       that goes up around 245 00:11:04,752 --> 00:11:06,254            the Sherman        friends and family. 246 00:11:06,287 --> 00:11:09,190            It's just,        it's an explosion. 247 00:11:09,190 --> 00:11:12,827     Not one person that knew   them believed for one minute 248 00:11:12,860 --> 00:11:14,662          that it was a         murder-suicide. 249 00:11:14,696 --> 00:11:17,198     I knew the police were, 250 00:11:17,265 --> 00:11:20,468      if you'll pardon the    expression, full of shit. 251 00:11:20,501 --> 00:11:22,103                ♪ 252 00:11:22,136 --> 00:11:23,838     [Kevin] The notion that         Barry Sherman, 253 00:11:23,838 --> 00:11:26,107         the titan of the     pharmaceutical industry, 254 00:11:26,140 --> 00:11:27,875           would somehow          hang his wife, 255 00:11:27,942 --> 00:11:31,946      and then hang himself      didn't make any sense 256 00:11:31,979 --> 00:11:34,382         to anybody close         to the Shermans. 257 00:11:34,382 --> 00:11:37,351     Seriously, if you had a     warehouse full of drugs 258 00:11:37,385 --> 00:11:40,321       that could knock out          an entire zoo, 259 00:11:40,354 --> 00:11:42,123            why would        somebody do that? 260 00:11:47,361 --> 00:11:48,796                ♪ 261 00:11:48,830 --> 00:11:50,298       On the day Barry and          Honey Sherman's 262 00:11:50,331 --> 00:11:52,233     bodies were discovered, 263 00:11:52,300 --> 00:11:55,336         at Alex's home         in Forest Hill, 264 00:11:55,369 --> 00:11:58,005      the Sherman children-         Jonathan, Alex, 265 00:11:58,005 --> 00:12:01,743           and Kaelen-          are gathered. 266 00:12:01,809 --> 00:12:04,545        The eldest, Lauren,         she's in Mexico. 267 00:12:04,579 --> 00:12:08,082       And, obviously, can't      come back immediately. 268 00:12:08,149 --> 00:12:11,385       Mary, Honey's sister          was in Florida. 269 00:12:11,419 --> 00:12:13,888   She books a private plane... 270 00:12:13,921 --> 00:12:15,389         back to Toronto, 271 00:12:15,423 --> 00:12:17,759      and she goes directly         to Alex's home. 272 00:12:17,825 --> 00:12:20,661                ♪ 273 00:12:20,695 --> 00:12:23,331      Jack Kay, Barry's very         close friend and 274 00:12:23,364 --> 00:12:27,935       second in command at     Apotex is there as well. 275 00:12:27,935 --> 00:12:30,404        Everybody is trying          to get answers. 276 00:12:30,404 --> 00:12:34,041   And, they realize that the  day before, Thursday morning, 277 00:12:34,075 --> 00:12:37,378    Honey was to be at a board      meeting for one of the 278 00:12:37,411 --> 00:12:39,046  charities that she supported. 279 00:12:39,046 --> 00:12:41,716      Honey doesn't show up         at her meeting. 280 00:12:41,749 --> 00:12:43,951      Barry doesn't show up         at the office. 281 00:12:44,018 --> 00:12:46,954      The children look back       at texts and emails, 282 00:12:47,021 --> 00:12:50,958      and they realize that   nobody received a response. 283 00:12:51,025 --> 00:12:54,629    Jack Kay says he exchanged      some emails with Barry 284 00:12:54,629 --> 00:12:57,632     on the Wednesday night. 285 00:12:57,698 --> 00:13:02,403    Barry's email to Jack at    8:23 PM on December 13th, 286 00:13:02,436 --> 00:13:05,439     was the last anyone heard   from Barry or Honey Sherman. 287 00:13:05,439 --> 00:13:10,611                ♪ 288 00:13:10,645 --> 00:13:13,781    Friday night, a detective        shows up from the 289 00:13:13,815 --> 00:13:17,118      Toronto Homicide Squad          to Alex's home. 290 00:13:17,118 --> 00:13:19,387       He says, "We don't      have any information, 291 00:13:19,420 --> 00:13:22,256    but we will be in touch." 292 00:13:22,290 --> 00:13:24,959        The Sherman family         was upset that... 293 00:13:24,992 --> 00:13:27,228    a detective showed up and, 294 00:13:27,261 --> 00:13:30,264      didn't even take his   coat off and sit with them. 295 00:13:30,331 --> 00:13:35,269  And, they're already starting   to hear a rumour out there 296 00:13:35,303 --> 00:13:38,573       that it's a murder     -suicide investigation. 297 00:13:38,606 --> 00:13:41,342  That was something that upset  the Sherman children because 298 00:13:41,409 --> 00:13:42,910         the Shermans had        all sorts of plans. 299 00:13:42,944 --> 00:13:44,912     They were planning to go      to Florida for a trip. 300 00:13:44,979 --> 00:13:46,848    They had a new grandchild. 301 00:13:46,948 --> 00:13:49,584     There are no signs that      something was wrong. 302 00:13:53,454 --> 00:13:54,956        [Phone vibrating] 303 00:13:54,989 --> 00:13:58,459   Later, Alex gets a call from        this family member 304 00:13:58,492 --> 00:13:59,794        of another couple, 305 00:13:59,827 --> 00:14:01,462        a husband and wife           from Toronto, 306 00:14:01,495 --> 00:14:04,332     who were found murdered       in Florida in 2013. 307 00:14:04,332 --> 00:14:06,667     That case, to this day,          is unsolved. 308 00:14:06,701 --> 00:14:10,204   And, this family member of   this murdered couple, says, 309 00:14:10,271 --> 00:14:12,840     "You can't trust police     to do everything right. 310 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:15,710        What we did is hire       a private detective. 311 00:14:15,776 --> 00:14:17,845           You should do         the same thing." 312 00:14:17,879 --> 00:14:23,451                ♪ 313 00:14:23,484 --> 00:14:27,188    After this news comes out    that police are strongly 314 00:14:27,221 --> 00:14:30,024        looking at a murder         -suicide theory, 315 00:14:30,057 --> 00:14:33,461        the Sherman family       put out a statement. 316 00:14:33,494 --> 00:14:36,230   [News] "We are shocked and  think it's irresponsible that 317 00:14:36,297 --> 00:14:39,567        police sources have   reportedly advised the media 318 00:14:39,667 --> 00:14:42,703    of a theory which neither   their family, their friends 319 00:14:42,737 --> 00:14:45,673       nor their colleagues       believe to be true." 320 00:14:45,706 --> 00:14:47,174          On the Sunday,     the police come out with 321 00:14:47,208 --> 00:14:50,011    a one line statement after         the autopsies on 322 00:14:50,044 --> 00:14:51,646         Barry and Honey        Sherman are done. 323 00:14:51,679 --> 00:14:54,882    Autopsy results reveal the      cause of death for both 324 00:14:54,916 --> 00:14:57,652          was ligature        neck compression. 325 00:14:57,685 --> 00:15:00,554        The autopsy results      don't cause the police 326 00:15:00,588 --> 00:15:03,424   to rule out their theory of         murder-suicide. 327 00:15:03,491 --> 00:15:05,259   [News] Toronto police have   been under intense pressure 328 00:15:05,326 --> 00:15:07,428    during the investigation as   the Sherman family have been 329 00:15:07,428 --> 00:15:09,363     vocally critical of the      information that has 330 00:15:09,397 --> 00:15:10,765      come out in the media. 331 00:15:10,831 --> 00:15:12,934      The family has hired a       private investigator 332 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:14,702     to look into the deaths. 333 00:15:14,735 --> 00:15:17,071    [Kevin] It's soon revealed      that the Sherman family 334 00:15:17,104 --> 00:15:19,240      have hired well-known        Toronto attorney, 335 00:15:19,273 --> 00:15:21,943         Brian Greenspan,        to assemble a team 336 00:15:22,009 --> 00:15:24,545    of private investigators. 337 00:15:24,612 --> 00:15:27,415        Brian Greenspan is          one of Canada's 338 00:15:27,448 --> 00:15:29,283      top criminal lawyers. 339 00:15:29,350 --> 00:15:32,019      He's the lawyer that if   you've got lots of money and 340 00:15:32,053 --> 00:15:35,089       you're in trouble,    that's the guy you go to. 341 00:15:35,089 --> 00:15:36,924                ♪ 342 00:15:36,958 --> 00:15:38,759      Brian Greenspan has as       collected a bunch of 343 00:15:38,759 --> 00:15:41,262  ex-Toronto Homicide officers. 344 00:15:41,295 --> 00:15:44,198      And, Toronto Homicide       is not pleased that 345 00:15:44,231 --> 00:15:45,967       they've got these... 346 00:15:46,033 --> 00:15:48,402    ex-brothers, if you will,           of theirs, 347 00:15:48,436 --> 00:15:51,272          running around,        talking to people. 348 00:15:51,305 --> 00:15:53,374     [Joe] It's something I'd        never seen before, 349 00:15:53,374 --> 00:15:55,876        where you had two     parallel investigations 350 00:15:55,910 --> 00:15:57,912        at the same time. 351 00:15:57,945 --> 00:16:00,081    The tension was enormous. 352 00:16:00,114 --> 00:16:07,788                ♪ 353 00:16:07,822 --> 00:16:10,624   In those first three weeks,    people in the public and 354 00:16:10,658 --> 00:16:12,493           in the press         were speculating 355 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:14,562        that the police had         gotten it wrong, 356 00:16:14,595 --> 00:16:17,131          and there was a      killer still at large. 357 00:16:17,164 --> 00:16:20,401    And the Sherman children,  they feared for their safety. 358 00:16:20,434 --> 00:16:25,306       They hired a team of     private security people. 359 00:16:25,339 --> 00:16:27,508         We had these two         leading "lites". 360 00:16:27,508 --> 00:16:30,644    Business-lites, socialites         in Toronto, dead. 361 00:16:30,644 --> 00:16:34,315          And the police    explanation made no sense. 362 00:16:34,348 --> 00:16:36,851     One of the great editors      in New York once said, 363 00:16:36,917 --> 00:16:39,687    "The most important story      in town is a murder. 364 00:16:39,787 --> 00:16:41,422      And the most important         murder story is a 365 00:16:41,455 --> 00:16:46,193    murder at a good address."        And this fit that. 366 00:16:46,260 --> 00:16:49,463     [Sirens in the distance] 367 00:16:49,497 --> 00:16:54,668                ♪ 368 00:16:54,702 --> 00:16:57,438  It's been nearly three weeks  since Barry and Honey Sherman 369 00:16:57,471 --> 00:16:59,607          were found dead        inside their home. 370 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:02,309       It was December 15th       when the 75-year-old 371 00:17:02,343 --> 00:17:04,612     founder of generic drug        company, Apotex, 372 00:17:04,645 --> 00:17:06,714     and his 70-year-old wife         were found dead, 373 00:17:06,781 --> 00:17:10,718   believed to be found hanging      near their indoor pool. 374 00:17:10,785 --> 00:17:12,953      My editor at the time,       Michael Cooke, said, 375 00:17:13,020 --> 00:17:15,489        "Kevin, I've got an       assignment for you." 376 00:17:15,523 --> 00:17:18,993    Investigative reporting,   so important to newspapers. 377 00:17:19,026 --> 00:17:21,862      And that's the kind of       work that Kevin does. 378 00:17:21,896 --> 00:17:24,065         He already had a      reputation as Canada's 379 00:17:24,131 --> 00:17:26,834      leading investigative            reporter. 380 00:17:26,867 --> 00:17:28,235        So, if you wanted         something done, 381 00:17:28,302 --> 00:17:30,805      I would go to Donovan. 382 00:17:30,838 --> 00:17:32,406           And I said,        "I want you to... 383 00:17:32,473 --> 00:17:34,141     find out what happened, 384 00:17:34,175 --> 00:17:36,210    and I want you to find out           who did it." 385 00:17:36,243 --> 00:17:40,981                ♪ 386 00:17:41,015 --> 00:17:42,583      I'm not involved 'til        three weeks after 387 00:17:42,650 --> 00:17:44,085      the bodies are found. 388 00:17:44,151 --> 00:17:46,687      I don't know Barry and       Honey Sherman at all. 389 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:48,556   I don't know their friends. 390 00:17:48,589 --> 00:17:51,325    The first thing I try to    do is find members of the 391 00:17:51,358 --> 00:17:54,028    Sherman family or friends      who will talk to me. 392 00:17:54,061 --> 00:17:56,597        I get a few people           on the phone. 393 00:17:56,664 --> 00:17:58,365         These people are        very much in shock. 394 00:17:58,399 --> 00:18:00,101        They're not going         to talk to me. 395 00:18:00,167 --> 00:18:03,838  So, I start casting about for  information on anything that 396 00:18:03,871 --> 00:18:06,073           has come out         from the police. 397 00:18:06,107 --> 00:18:09,176  The police say that they died  of ligature neck compression. 398 00:18:09,210 --> 00:18:11,445        Okay, so that's all        I've got to go on. 399 00:18:11,512 --> 00:18:13,547      Well, what is ligature         neck compression? 400 00:18:13,581 --> 00:18:15,549        And quite quickly,            I think... 401 00:18:15,583 --> 00:18:17,785         Dr. Jim Cairns. 402 00:18:17,785 --> 00:18:22,123      He's been a source of      mine for many years. 403 00:18:22,189 --> 00:18:24,225      So, I give him a call. 404 00:18:24,291 --> 00:18:25,793          At this time,        he's retired from 405 00:18:25,860 --> 00:18:27,261    the provincial government. 406 00:18:27,294 --> 00:18:29,463      I say, "Jim, ligature        neck compression, 407 00:18:29,463 --> 00:18:31,232      take me through that." 408 00:18:31,265 --> 00:18:34,368     He phoned me because he     wanted to know about... 409 00:18:34,401 --> 00:18:36,370          strangulation. 410 00:18:36,403 --> 00:18:38,105     And I said, "Yes, I can      tell you about that." 411 00:18:38,139 --> 00:18:40,241      I've got to find out      if the Shermans were, 412 00:18:40,274 --> 00:18:43,043         were victims of         murder-suicide. 413 00:18:43,077 --> 00:18:45,312   And he goes through all the        forensic details 414 00:18:45,379 --> 00:18:47,581     of choking of the neck. 415 00:18:47,615 --> 00:18:49,783    But, different than other      times I've called him 416 00:18:49,817 --> 00:18:52,920       for general comments            on a case, 417 00:18:52,953 --> 00:18:54,788         his answers are         more specific. 418 00:18:54,822 --> 00:18:57,091     And I say to him, "Jim, 419 00:18:57,124 --> 00:18:59,260         do you have some    involvement in this case?" 420 00:18:59,293 --> 00:19:00,828          I said, "Yes." 421 00:19:00,828 --> 00:19:04,732     I get a phone call from    the private investigator. 422 00:19:04,765 --> 00:19:07,001        He'd been on the     Toronto Homicide Squad, 423 00:19:07,067 --> 00:19:08,769     so I knew him for years. 424 00:19:08,802 --> 00:19:12,306     And he said, "I'm hired       by Brian Greenspan. 425 00:19:12,339 --> 00:19:15,276    The Sherman family didn't  like the results of the first 426 00:19:15,309 --> 00:19:20,314     autopsy, and they wanted        a second autopsy." 427 00:19:20,347 --> 00:19:23,284    Dr. Jim Cairns' job is to    go out and try and find a 428 00:19:23,317 --> 00:19:26,487     pathologist who could do    a second set of autopsies. 429 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:29,123   He finds Dr. David Chiasson,         who is Ontario's 430 00:19:29,156 --> 00:19:31,659          former Chief      Forensic Pathologist. 431 00:19:31,692 --> 00:19:37,665                ♪ 432 00:19:37,698 --> 00:19:40,467   At that time, Barry Sherman           was thought 433 00:19:40,501 --> 00:19:43,804     had hanged his wife, and       then hanged himself. 434 00:19:43,837 --> 00:19:46,373  I had originally thought that,        as many others did, 435 00:19:46,373 --> 00:19:48,008         they were hanging       from a great height. 436 00:19:48,008 --> 00:19:49,810               That,     that's not the case and, 437 00:19:49,843 --> 00:19:52,880   I heard from Dr. Jim Cairns     that the Shermans were 438 00:19:52,947 --> 00:19:55,649          discovered in a         seated position, 439 00:19:55,683 --> 00:19:58,953           side-by-side,     belts around their neck, 440 00:19:59,019 --> 00:20:00,854    then tied to the railing. 441 00:20:00,888 --> 00:20:02,489    To be hanging, basically, 442 00:20:02,523 --> 00:20:04,391       your feet have to be         off the ground... 443 00:20:04,458 --> 00:20:07,561        so there's enough        weight to do it. 444 00:20:07,628 --> 00:20:10,864     But, there was next to    no weight on that at all. 445 00:20:10,898 --> 00:20:14,668      So, they couldn't have      hanged himself in, in, 446 00:20:14,702 --> 00:20:17,238        in that position,           impossible. 447 00:20:17,304 --> 00:20:18,906            And then he        tells me something 448 00:20:18,973 --> 00:20:21,008     really surprising to me. 449 00:20:21,041 --> 00:20:24,845       The pathologist found     bruises 'round the wrist 450 00:20:24,878 --> 00:20:28,882    consistent with the wrists       being tied together. 451 00:20:28,916 --> 00:20:30,718   They're much more prominent        in Barry's wrists 452 00:20:30,718 --> 00:20:32,419       than Honey's wrists. 453 00:20:32,419 --> 00:20:34,822        The fact that there          were marks and 454 00:20:34,855 --> 00:20:36,657      bruising on the wrists 455 00:20:36,690 --> 00:20:39,226         meant that the    wrists were tied together 456 00:20:39,260 --> 00:20:42,062      when they were alive. 457 00:20:42,096 --> 00:20:44,665      The second series of      autopsies had come to 458 00:20:44,698 --> 00:20:47,034         a very different          conclusion than 459 00:20:47,067 --> 00:20:50,371         what the police    autopsies had arrived at. 460 00:20:50,404 --> 00:20:52,439    The pathologist phoned me,           and he said, 461 00:20:52,506 --> 00:20:55,509         "Jim, I finished          the autopsies. 462 00:20:55,542 --> 00:20:59,380    And I'm telling, you now,     it's a double murder." 463 00:20:59,413 --> 00:21:01,081                ♪ 464 00:21:07,421 --> 00:21:10,357                ♪ 465 00:21:10,391 --> 00:21:13,694   After I left my conversation        with Dr. Cairns... 466 00:21:13,727 --> 00:21:16,363         I certainly had a        strong sense of... 467 00:21:16,397 --> 00:21:18,365     the scene of the crime. 468 00:21:18,399 --> 00:21:20,434      But It's rare that a     journalist will rely on 469 00:21:20,467 --> 00:21:22,803          just one source         for information. 470 00:21:22,870 --> 00:21:26,106   So, I started looking around       for other people that 471 00:21:26,140 --> 00:21:29,310    I could meet with who had        some knowledge of 472 00:21:29,310 --> 00:21:31,245        the investigation. 473 00:21:31,278 --> 00:21:33,280                ♪ 474 00:21:33,314 --> 00:21:37,951   People in the investigation    world are very secretive. 475 00:21:37,985 --> 00:21:40,254     They don't want anybody          to know that 476 00:21:40,287 --> 00:21:43,724         they're speaking          to a reporter. 477 00:21:43,757 --> 00:21:46,927    I end up at a coffee shop       with a source that 478 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:49,930    I will refer to as "Zero". 479 00:21:49,963 --> 00:21:52,666                ♪ 480 00:21:52,666 --> 00:21:57,071     I can't say who Zero is. 481 00:21:57,104 --> 00:22:01,475      But, Zero is a larger      -than-life character. 482 00:22:01,508 --> 00:22:04,645       Somebody that wants      to share information, 483 00:22:04,645 --> 00:22:08,449     but also wants to be the   leader of that conversation. 484 00:22:08,482 --> 00:22:10,317                ♪ 485 00:22:10,317 --> 00:22:13,854           How I work in        that situation is, 486 00:22:13,854 --> 00:22:17,191  I go out of my way to tell a  person like Zero what I know, 487 00:22:17,257 --> 00:22:20,194         and specifically       what I don't know... 488 00:22:20,260 --> 00:22:23,030        because I want him          to correct me. 489 00:22:23,030 --> 00:22:26,266   We start having this macabre       conversation about... 490 00:22:26,300 --> 00:22:30,003         ways that people       can hang themselves. 491 00:22:30,037 --> 00:22:33,374   I started telling Zero what   I had heard from my source, 492 00:22:33,374 --> 00:22:34,675          and of course,        I'm not telling him 493 00:22:34,708 --> 00:22:36,110      that it's Dr. Cairns,           but I say, 494 00:22:36,143 --> 00:22:38,645    "Look, they're actually in        a seated position." 495 00:22:38,645 --> 00:22:41,615        And, Zero nodded. 496 00:22:41,615 --> 00:22:43,984     So, I'm thinking, okay,       it's confirmatory, 497 00:22:44,051 --> 00:22:45,719        which is important. 498 00:22:45,786 --> 00:22:49,056                ♪ 499 00:22:49,123 --> 00:22:51,158         The other thing        we talk about is, 500 00:22:51,191 --> 00:22:54,361        that there's belts        around their neck. 501 00:22:54,395 --> 00:22:57,731     Zero suggests to me that        the belts were just 502 00:22:57,731 --> 00:22:59,900     placed around the neck. 503 00:22:59,900 --> 00:23:02,469          They may not        have killed them. 504 00:23:02,503 --> 00:23:05,572     And, I get a sense that       something else was 505 00:23:05,639 --> 00:23:07,040    the manner of their death, 506 00:23:07,074 --> 00:23:09,810     maybe something thinner       around their neck. 507 00:23:12,980 --> 00:23:16,383                ♪ 508 00:23:16,417 --> 00:23:19,386         [Hissing steam] 509 00:23:19,420 --> 00:23:21,555        I also say to Zero, 510 00:23:21,588 --> 00:23:23,223        "My understanding          is that their 511 00:23:23,257 --> 00:23:25,993        hands were bound  in front of them, like this." 512 00:23:26,059 --> 00:23:28,495         But then he says      something interesting. 513 00:23:28,529 --> 00:23:31,899     "Yes, there are markings         on their wrists, 514 00:23:31,932 --> 00:23:33,700        but just be careful 515 00:23:33,734 --> 00:23:37,938      how you describe their         hands because... 516 00:23:38,005 --> 00:23:41,608       nobody knows if they        were tied in front 517 00:23:41,708 --> 00:23:43,944    or in behind their back." 518 00:23:43,944 --> 00:23:47,214     A word that's used in our   conversation is "zap strap," 519 00:23:47,247 --> 00:23:48,916         and a zap strap        is something that 520 00:23:48,949 --> 00:23:50,717           is used to         bind prisoners. 521 00:23:50,751 --> 00:23:52,419      It's like a handcuff. 522 00:23:52,453 --> 00:23:54,188          When somebody        adds more detail, 523 00:23:54,221 --> 00:23:57,591        it helps me assess        their credibility. 524 00:23:57,624 --> 00:23:59,460         I said, "Are they      looking for the ties?" 525 00:23:59,526 --> 00:24:00,928      And he said, you know,            basically, 526 00:24:00,928 --> 00:24:03,697   "They're not gonna find the    ties, they're long gone." 527 00:24:03,730 --> 00:24:05,933      So, my heart's beating      a little more quickly. 528 00:24:05,966 --> 00:24:07,534        I've now talked to            two people 529 00:24:07,568 --> 00:24:11,438       who have involvement           in this case. 530 00:24:11,438 --> 00:24:13,974  I walk away from that meeting     knowing I have a story 531 00:24:14,041 --> 00:24:17,077   that says, according to the   private investigative team, 532 00:24:17,110 --> 00:24:19,079          Barry and Honey      Sherman were murdered. 533 00:24:19,112 --> 00:24:21,748                ♪ 534 00:24:21,782 --> 00:24:24,785     That goes to press, and      everything explodes. 535 00:24:24,818 --> 00:24:26,386                ♪ 536 00:24:26,420 --> 00:24:29,990    It's such a big story that   it doesn't even have to say, 537 00:24:29,990 --> 00:24:31,391          'The Shermans"          were murdered. 538 00:24:31,425 --> 00:24:33,660        Everybody knows who       we're talking about. 539 00:24:33,727 --> 00:24:35,395           [News] It's a        bombshell headline. 540 00:24:35,429 --> 00:24:37,798      Today a report in the   Toronto Star says Barry and 541 00:24:37,798 --> 00:24:39,933           Honey Sherman          were murdered. 542 00:24:39,967 --> 00:24:42,936       Kevin Donovan was the     one bringing out all the 543 00:24:42,970 --> 00:24:46,073       information about the     secondary investigation. 544 00:24:46,139 --> 00:24:48,775        A huge shift in the     narrative of this story, 545 00:24:48,809 --> 00:24:50,911         which has really          gone worldwide. 546 00:24:50,944 --> 00:24:52,446        This was all over          TV and radio, 547 00:24:52,479 --> 00:24:55,516         and the competing        newspapers as well. 548 00:24:55,582 --> 00:24:57,784        The Toronto Police      had egg on their face. 549 00:24:57,851 --> 00:25:00,354         And, a week after       our story comes out, 550 00:25:00,420 --> 00:25:02,756    they realize they have to    hold a press conference. 551 00:25:02,789 --> 00:25:06,593                ♪ 552 00:25:08,495 --> 00:25:11,598   We have sufficient evidence       to describe this as 553 00:25:11,632 --> 00:25:14,268        a double homicide         investigation. 554 00:25:14,301 --> 00:25:16,270     And that both Honey and          Barry Sherman 555 00:25:16,303 --> 00:25:18,305      were in fact targeted. 556 00:25:18,372 --> 00:25:20,340 [News] Investigators confirming      what has already been 557 00:25:20,374 --> 00:25:22,376         in the news for         nearly a week. 558 00:25:22,442 --> 00:25:26,013    It's always baffled me how      it would take that long 559 00:25:26,046 --> 00:25:28,015          to call this a         double homicide. 560 00:25:28,048 --> 00:25:30,651          Shortly after        they were killed, 561 00:25:30,684 --> 00:25:33,554      CTV reached out to me. 562 00:25:33,620 --> 00:25:35,989    The idea that you would... 563 00:25:36,023 --> 00:25:39,860     hang your spouse and then  hang yourself or vice versa... 564 00:25:39,893 --> 00:25:42,029    just never worked for me. 565 00:25:42,062 --> 00:25:43,530                ♪ 566 00:25:43,564 --> 00:25:46,166        It struck me as I      read about this case, 567 00:25:46,166 --> 00:25:49,236        if you look at the       way they were found, 568 00:25:49,303 --> 00:25:52,339      as it's been described,     in the sitting position, 569 00:25:52,372 --> 00:25:54,908   and then they're propped up        on this railing, 570 00:25:54,908 --> 00:25:57,077       and that's where the        belts are tied to. 571 00:25:57,144 --> 00:25:59,379        But, that position         didn't kill them. 572 00:25:59,413 --> 00:26:02,816      So, that would suggest    that they're already dead. 573 00:26:02,849 --> 00:26:05,419      And they were staged. 574 00:26:05,419 --> 00:26:07,521      You would have to drag     them into that position. 575 00:26:07,554 --> 00:26:10,724      How in the world could       Barry kill his wife, 576 00:26:10,724 --> 00:26:13,193    but then kill himself, and     then stage both of them? 577 00:26:13,226 --> 00:26:15,762      I mean, there was just   nothing about the scene that 578 00:26:15,829 --> 00:26:19,566   even would remotely suggest  that it was a murder-suicide. 579 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,169                ♪ 580 00:26:22,202 --> 00:26:24,237     The effect of the stories   was to completely change the 581 00:26:24,237 --> 00:26:26,840      course of the Toronto    police investigation into 582 00:26:26,873 --> 00:26:28,775          Barry and Honey         Sherman's death. 583 00:26:28,775 --> 00:26:30,510   [News] Targeted and killed. 584 00:26:30,544 --> 00:26:32,379      Toronto police are now        treating Barry and 585 00:26:32,412 --> 00:26:34,448      Honey Sherman's death       as a double murder. 586 00:26:34,548 --> 00:26:37,918       This debunks earlier   reports of a murder-suicide, 587 00:26:37,918 --> 00:26:39,953      and validates what the          Sherman family 588 00:26:40,020 --> 00:26:41,922        thought all along. 589 00:26:41,955 --> 00:26:43,757  "This conclusion was expressed      by the family from the 590 00:26:43,790 --> 00:26:46,526    outset, and is consistent    with the findings of the 591 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,696        independent autopsy        and investigation." 592 00:26:49,730 --> 00:26:52,032        I've been around      news a long time and, 593 00:26:52,099 --> 00:26:54,735    I'd never seen the police        just change track 594 00:26:54,768 --> 00:26:56,903        following a story         in a newspaper. 595 00:26:56,970 --> 00:26:58,538          Never seen it. 596 00:26:58,572 --> 00:27:00,941     They probably choked on   these words, but they said, 597 00:27:00,974 --> 00:27:04,378   "Yeah, it's murder-murder."      And, Kevin was right. 598 00:27:11,418 --> 00:27:18,759                ♪ 599 00:27:18,792 --> 00:27:21,795       Given that the police   investigation really doesn't 600 00:27:21,828 --> 00:27:24,731        get going properly          for six weeks, 601 00:27:24,765 --> 00:27:27,934         so much evidence          has been lost. 602 00:27:27,968 --> 00:27:32,005                ♪ 603 00:27:32,072 --> 00:27:34,941   If, in fact, a decision was   made within a few hours to 604 00:27:34,975 --> 00:27:38,011            call it a      murder-suicide, then, 605 00:27:38,078 --> 00:27:41,248        they don't process       the scene correctly. 606 00:27:41,281 --> 00:27:45,452    Tangible things disappear    like witness interviews, 607 00:27:45,485 --> 00:27:49,122      neighbour interviews,            cameras. 608 00:27:49,156 --> 00:27:51,758      Weeks or months later,   If you really think you have 609 00:27:51,792 --> 00:27:55,162        a double homicide,      it's hard to catch up. 610 00:27:55,162 --> 00:27:58,031   [Kevin] There are two teams        of investigators: 611 00:27:58,098 --> 00:28:01,501       The Sherman private      investigation team... 612 00:28:01,535 --> 00:28:03,770     and the Toronto Police. 613 00:28:03,804 --> 00:28:05,939       And then, there's my        own investigation, 614 00:28:05,972 --> 00:28:09,109         on behalf of the           Toronto Star. 615 00:28:09,142 --> 00:28:12,646   In general, reporters don't    like to be in the story. 616 00:28:12,679 --> 00:28:15,816      Kevin became a part of     the story, legitimately, 617 00:28:15,849 --> 00:28:17,884       because he's finding         out facts that... 618 00:28:17,951 --> 00:28:20,520         it turns out the        police don't know. 619 00:28:20,554 --> 00:28:22,656              [Kevin]   I was given two assignments. 620 00:28:22,689 --> 00:28:26,059     I've done the first part       of my task, which is, 621 00:28:26,059 --> 00:28:29,663      was it murder-suicide       or double homicide? 622 00:28:29,696 --> 00:28:32,899     Now I've got this really      big task: Who done it? 623 00:28:32,899 --> 00:28:40,907                ♪ 624 00:28:40,907 --> 00:28:43,977      I start thinking, okay,   well, who are their enemies? 625 00:28:44,010 --> 00:28:45,879        I need to know who          they are to see 626 00:28:45,912 --> 00:28:48,248      who might have wanted       to do that to them. 627 00:28:48,348 --> 00:28:50,717                ♪ 628 00:28:50,717 --> 00:28:52,719      It's most important to         get to the people 629 00:28:52,753 --> 00:28:54,588          who are closest         to the Shermans. 630 00:28:54,588 --> 00:28:58,525   That means their immediate   family, their best friends. 631 00:28:58,558 --> 00:29:00,193       From the very start, 632 00:29:00,227 --> 00:29:03,063     the Sherman family just      did not want to talk, 633 00:29:03,096 --> 00:29:04,564         both to me and         to other media. 634 00:29:04,598 --> 00:29:06,366      They're very private. 635 00:29:06,399 --> 00:29:09,503     They didn't want to have  anything to do with the media. 636 00:29:09,536 --> 00:29:12,172      And same, I would say,         of their friends. 637 00:29:12,205 --> 00:29:14,407                ♪ 638 00:29:14,441 --> 00:29:18,078   There was a concern in the  Toronto Jewish community that 639 00:29:18,078 --> 00:29:19,880    there's a killer out there         that is targeting 640 00:29:19,913 --> 00:29:23,784        wealthy people of         Jewish descent. 641 00:29:23,784 --> 00:29:27,954       That makes me wonder,     is there a concern that, 642 00:29:28,021 --> 00:29:30,590       with the killer or     killers still at large, 643 00:29:30,624 --> 00:29:33,426      that by talking about        Barry and Honey, 644 00:29:33,460 --> 00:29:36,696      they will be targeted? 645 00:29:36,730 --> 00:29:39,366      I've never had so much   difficulty getting to people 646 00:29:39,399 --> 00:29:41,301          on the inside. 647 00:29:41,301 --> 00:29:44,371        So, I look back at       the Sherman funeral. 648 00:29:44,404 --> 00:29:45,972         I wasn't there, 649 00:29:45,972 --> 00:29:49,242   but I watched the video of   the funeral multiple times. 650 00:29:49,276 --> 00:29:52,379      I wanted to study it,      and learn more about 651 00:29:52,412 --> 00:29:55,048             Barry and          Honey Sherman. 652 00:29:55,081 --> 00:29:57,884     Normally, a funeral of     somebody like Barry and 653 00:29:57,918 --> 00:30:00,053    Honey Sherman would be in 654 00:30:00,086 --> 00:30:02,789  Benjamin's Chapel in Toronto. 655 00:30:02,823 --> 00:30:05,926     It's where many of the    Jewish funerals are held. 656 00:30:05,926 --> 00:30:07,294           Everybody was        thinking, at first, 657 00:30:07,294 --> 00:30:09,396       it was going to be a        small family thing 658 00:30:09,429 --> 00:30:11,998        'cause of the way        that they'd died. 659 00:30:12,065 --> 00:30:14,568                ♪ 660 00:30:14,601 --> 00:30:18,171        But it got bigger           and bigger. 661 00:30:18,238 --> 00:30:20,140      It was at one of those      places where they have 662 00:30:20,173 --> 00:30:22,609          the conventions         and all of that. 663 00:30:22,642 --> 00:30:25,111     They wanted to make sure      that everybody who was 664 00:30:25,145 --> 00:30:28,949     touched by the Shermans    could be there in person. 665 00:30:28,982 --> 00:30:30,617     [News] Thousands came to       a memorial service in 666 00:30:30,650 --> 00:30:32,452          Mississauga on           December 21, 667 00:30:32,485 --> 00:30:34,120     including Prime Minister             Trudeau, 668 00:30:34,154 --> 00:30:37,190         Premiere Wynne,         and Mayor Tory. 669 00:30:37,257 --> 00:30:38,425      Like, I've never been          at a funeral 670 00:30:38,458 --> 00:30:40,460    with thousands of people. 671 00:30:40,493 --> 00:30:42,495     Some people said, "Aren't   you scared that there may be 672 00:30:42,596 --> 00:30:46,600      an attack on thousands         of people there?" 673 00:30:46,633 --> 00:30:48,335       I said, "No, because        the Prime Minister, 674 00:30:48,368 --> 00:30:50,837    the Mayor, and the Premier    of the province of Ontario 675 00:30:50,871 --> 00:30:51,805      are going to be there. 676 00:30:51,972 --> 00:30:55,008        You'll have police        all around there." 677 00:30:55,008 --> 00:30:59,646      Seated near the front,   all in blue Apotex t-shirts, 678 00:30:59,679 --> 00:31:02,015      are the Apotex staff. 679 00:31:02,048 --> 00:31:04,317         Barry was loved        by his employees. 680 00:31:04,351 --> 00:31:07,120       He treated them with        incredible respect. 681 00:31:07,153 --> 00:31:08,622       He was their leader. 682 00:31:08,655 --> 00:31:10,991       He was the champion.        He was the founder. 683 00:31:11,024 --> 00:31:15,662           And you could        feel the emotions. 684 00:31:15,695 --> 00:31:18,965        Apotex created jobs       for a lot of people, 685 00:31:18,999 --> 00:31:22,702   and gave the Sherman family       the ability to put 686 00:31:22,736 --> 00:31:26,039         a lot back into         the community. 687 00:31:26,072 --> 00:31:28,909     They gave away millions      and millions of their 688 00:31:28,909 --> 00:31:33,880      hard-earned dollars to        change this world. 689 00:31:33,914 --> 00:31:36,483        These people made          a difference. 690 00:31:36,516 --> 00:31:38,418    I saw it with my own eyes. 691 00:31:38,418 --> 00:31:42,088   They were, without question,       the most significant 692 00:31:42,188 --> 00:31:44,858       philanthropists in      the Jewish community, 693 00:31:44,891 --> 00:31:46,326      and to a great extent, 694 00:31:46,359 --> 00:31:47,894        outside the Jewish        community as well. 695 00:31:47,894 --> 00:31:49,896       I feel a great sense          of privilege... 696 00:31:49,996 --> 00:31:52,532     There are eulogies from    Toronto mayor, John Tory, 697 00:31:52,565 --> 00:31:55,068       and Ontario Premier,          Kathleen Wynne, 698 00:31:55,101 --> 00:31:56,703      and other dignitaries, 699 00:31:56,736 --> 00:32:00,006      as well as Barry and   Honey's friends and family. 700 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:04,411    Mary Shechtman is Honey's     sister and best friend. 701 00:32:04,411 --> 00:32:08,915     We were survivors of the       Holocaust, my family. 702 00:32:08,949 --> 00:32:13,887   And all I had was my mother,     my father, and my sister. 703 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,589      Losing her sister and      her brother-in-law... 704 00:32:16,623 --> 00:32:20,794    and the way she lost them.         She was in shock. 705 00:32:20,860 --> 00:32:22,696    When you go to a funeral, 706 00:32:22,729 --> 00:32:26,733     you may think you know a        particular person, 707 00:32:26,766 --> 00:32:29,069   but you hear things about a      person that you would 708 00:32:29,102 --> 00:32:31,604     never, ever know about. 709 00:32:31,638 --> 00:32:35,608     Of their personal life,    of their family dynamics. 710 00:32:35,608 --> 00:32:38,945        The four children        come up on stage: 711 00:32:38,979 --> 00:32:42,949    Lauren, Jonathon, Kaelen,         and Alexandra. 712 00:32:42,983 --> 00:32:46,152    Jonathan takes the podium. 713 00:32:46,219 --> 00:32:49,155        He basically put a       challenge out there, 714 00:32:49,222 --> 00:32:51,291    and right to the police... 715 00:32:51,324 --> 00:32:56,663     that there's no way that    this was a murder-suicide. 716 00:32:56,730 --> 00:32:59,132       Before we could begin      to grieve as a family, 717 00:32:59,165 --> 00:33:03,436        and recover in a      proper Jewish manner, 718 00:33:03,470 --> 00:33:06,606       we've had to navigate   through a terrifying maze of 719 00:33:06,639 --> 00:33:11,111        non-information and      unfounded speculation. 720 00:33:11,144 --> 00:33:14,080    I was sat in a row with... 721 00:33:14,114 --> 00:33:17,317      a lot of their close,     close personal friends. 722 00:33:17,350 --> 00:33:20,120     We listened to the son, 723 00:33:20,153 --> 00:33:21,988          who condemned        the police there. 724 00:33:22,022 --> 00:33:23,456  That's what really shocked me. 725 00:33:23,490 --> 00:33:26,326      Everybody was shocked. 726 00:33:26,359 --> 00:33:31,598    Jonathan then delivers a    well-scripted eulogy that 727 00:33:31,631 --> 00:33:34,300      he's obviously spent      some time working on. 728 00:33:34,334 --> 00:33:37,804        Our family legacy,       like so many others, 729 00:33:37,837 --> 00:33:41,174      emerged like a phoenix       from the ashes of the 730 00:33:41,207 --> 00:33:44,778       European Holocaust,      shattered and broken, 731 00:33:44,811 --> 00:33:50,350         only to rise and      rebuild and to thrive. 732 00:33:50,383 --> 00:33:51,785           [Sniffling] 733 00:33:51,818 --> 00:33:53,353    In honour of our parents, 734 00:33:53,386 --> 00:33:56,189       we promise to do the          same thing now. 735 00:33:56,222 --> 00:33:59,225     We have pulled together  during this most tragic time. 736 00:33:59,292 --> 00:34:02,195       We are taking some      comfort in knowing... 737 00:34:02,228 --> 00:34:05,298        that you two are        together forever. 738 00:34:05,331 --> 00:34:08,034     I get a better sense of     Barry and Honey Sherman 739 00:34:08,068 --> 00:34:10,870       as parents, friends,       and philanthropists. 740 00:34:10,904 --> 00:34:13,139        And it also becomes         clear to me that 741 00:34:13,173 --> 00:34:15,742        you can't separate    Barry Sherman from Apotex, 742 00:34:15,809 --> 00:34:17,877    the company he'd created. 743 00:34:17,877 --> 00:34:19,879         For 35 years... 744 00:34:19,913 --> 00:34:22,849         I was incredibly            privileged 745 00:34:22,882 --> 00:34:27,854      to work side-by-side,          day-by-day... 746 00:34:27,887 --> 00:34:30,990             [Sighing]          ...with Barry. 747 00:34:31,024 --> 00:34:33,159        Barry and Jack Kay 748 00:34:33,193 --> 00:34:36,696        worked in adjoining        offices at Apotex. 749 00:34:36,729 --> 00:34:40,433     They talked about being      almost like brothers. 750 00:34:40,500 --> 00:34:45,338     Barry, I will miss you,     as will all the Apotex- 751 00:34:45,371 --> 00:34:49,843         [Voice breaking]           ...fa-family. 752 00:34:49,876 --> 00:34:53,379     I would say that Apotex     was Barry's 5th child. 753 00:34:53,413 --> 00:34:57,083    He had 4 natural children,         that are his own. 754 00:34:57,117 --> 00:35:00,186      His child, of Apotex. 755 00:35:00,220 --> 00:35:04,724    Work was on his mind 24/7. 756 00:35:04,757 --> 00:35:06,392     [Kevin] I know I need to         learn more about 757 00:35:06,426 --> 00:35:08,528          Barry Sherman,         the businessman. 758 00:35:08,561 --> 00:35:10,263       Could a professional        grievance have had 759 00:35:10,296 --> 00:35:12,866     something to do with the         Sherman murders? 760 00:35:12,899 --> 00:35:15,869            Oh, in the     pharmaceutical business, 761 00:35:15,902 --> 00:35:17,971   a lot of people hated Barry. 762 00:35:24,277 --> 00:35:25,979   One of the things about the      murders of Barry and 763 00:35:25,979 --> 00:35:28,748        Honey Sherman is     everybody has a theory. 764 00:35:28,781 --> 00:35:30,316                ♪ 765 00:35:30,383 --> 00:35:32,118        Very soon after... 766 00:35:32,118 --> 00:35:34,420         Barry and Honey's        bodies were found, 767 00:35:34,454 --> 00:35:36,990       the rumour mill was      working on overdrive. 768 00:35:37,056 --> 00:35:38,391       Across the internet, 769 00:35:38,424 --> 00:35:41,794      there were theories as        bizarre as Bill and 770 00:35:41,828 --> 00:35:44,464       Hillary Clinton were     involved in the murders. 771 00:35:44,497 --> 00:35:47,467    Some people think it could      be a hitman coming over 772 00:35:47,500 --> 00:35:49,502          to do the job          for somebody. 773 00:35:49,569 --> 00:35:51,271         Could this be a        contract killing? 774 00:35:51,304 --> 00:35:53,606   Well, I suppose it could be. 775 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,642        Contract killers... 776 00:35:55,642 --> 00:35:58,678     try to throw people off     as to what's going on. 777 00:35:58,745 --> 00:36:00,780      [Kevin] But who would     take out a contract hit 778 00:36:00,813 --> 00:36:02,615         on the Shermans? 779 00:36:02,649 --> 00:36:06,186                ♪ 780 00:36:06,186 --> 00:36:11,124      I start googling Barry        Sherman and Apotex. 781 00:36:11,157 --> 00:36:15,461    Apotex is in the business   of generic pharmaceuticals. 782 00:36:15,495 --> 00:36:18,131     And, as I'm searching... 783 00:36:18,164 --> 00:36:21,534        all these lawsuits        started popping up. 784 00:36:21,534 --> 00:36:24,804     When you're litigious,   and litigious in a big way, 785 00:36:24,837 --> 00:36:26,773        you offend people. 786 00:36:26,806 --> 00:36:28,308    That's the way Barry was. 787 00:36:28,341 --> 00:36:32,278    And, Barry got into a lot      of litigious disputes 788 00:36:32,312 --> 00:36:34,480   with pharmaceutical people. 789 00:36:34,514 --> 00:36:37,283     In the world of generic         drug companies, 790 00:36:37,317 --> 00:36:41,721        on a global basis,     Apotex was near the top. 791 00:36:41,788 --> 00:36:45,124    You have to have a lot of   guts to play in the generic 792 00:36:45,158 --> 00:36:49,829     marketplace, and Apotex       was very litigious. 793 00:36:49,862 --> 00:36:51,497     People say Barry Sherman             is one of 794 00:36:51,531 --> 00:36:54,801        the most litigious         people in Canada. 795 00:36:54,834 --> 00:36:57,904   Could a rival or embittered     pharmaceutical company 796 00:36:57,971 --> 00:37:00,840        have possibly been        behind the murders? 797 00:37:00,873 --> 00:37:04,544  First, I needed to understand   the world of generic drugs. 798 00:37:07,380 --> 00:37:09,215        With generic drug         manufacturers, 799 00:37:09,215 --> 00:37:11,150       they're trying to... 800 00:37:11,184 --> 00:37:15,655      copy patents held by    other drug manufacturers. 801 00:37:15,688 --> 00:37:18,424         I worked with my        father as a lawyer, 802 00:37:18,424 --> 00:37:20,393         and Barry's name          would come up. 803 00:37:20,426 --> 00:37:25,231     My dad had a client who     had issues with Barry. 804 00:37:25,265 --> 00:37:27,767         And, for Barry's         company, Apotex, 805 00:37:27,867 --> 00:37:29,402        that's part of the          business model, 806 00:37:29,402 --> 00:37:32,672     is to take these patents,    modify to a certain degree 807 00:37:32,739 --> 00:37:37,010      the drug composition,       and then sell them. 808 00:37:37,043 --> 00:37:40,613   Barry would look at a drug, 809 00:37:40,613 --> 00:37:42,915     and looked at how can he 810 00:37:42,949 --> 00:37:45,918      formulate the product       in a different way? 811 00:37:45,918 --> 00:37:49,022    Barry did astrophysics and     aeronautical engineering 812 00:37:49,055 --> 00:37:50,590         as his degrees. 813 00:37:50,623 --> 00:37:53,426     He didn't take chemistry   and pharmaceutical sciences. 814 00:37:53,459 --> 00:37:56,529    But Barry knows everything       about formulations of 815 00:37:56,562 --> 00:38:00,466      pharmaceuticals because    he's absolutely brilliant. 816 00:38:00,533 --> 00:38:02,135        The companies that       hold the patents are 817 00:38:02,201 --> 00:38:04,137         claiming patent          infringement, 818 00:38:04,203 --> 00:38:06,572  and there's always litigation    between the generic drug 819 00:38:06,606 --> 00:38:10,977   manufacturer and the company      that holds the patent. 820 00:38:11,044 --> 00:38:13,880   You couldn't frighten Barry 821 00:38:13,913 --> 00:38:16,916      by telling him you're       going to sue him... 822 00:38:16,949 --> 00:38:21,387          because Barry            knew more 823 00:38:21,421 --> 00:38:23,623         than his lawyer. 824 00:38:23,656 --> 00:38:24,891   He didn't go to law school, 825 00:38:24,924 --> 00:38:27,794          but Barry was        the chief lawyer. 826 00:38:27,827 --> 00:38:30,797      He's a strategist. He    knows how to play people. 827 00:38:30,830 --> 00:38:34,600     He knows how to play the       rules and procedures. 828 00:38:34,634 --> 00:38:37,470     That's the intellectual          challenge... 829 00:38:37,503 --> 00:38:39,605         that Barry was         really good at. 830 00:38:39,639 --> 00:38:42,642    If you can figure out the       loopholes, and if, 831 00:38:42,642 --> 00:38:44,610        legally, you could         get away with it, 832 00:38:44,644 --> 00:38:47,347         the opportunity        would be massive, 833 00:38:47,347 --> 00:38:50,149   in the hundreds of millions       of dollars, because 834 00:38:50,183 --> 00:38:55,988   you're taking from the brand      name sales immediately. 835 00:38:56,022 --> 00:38:59,859         [Kevin] By 2015,           2016, 2017... 836 00:38:59,926 --> 00:39:02,428   Apotex is really doing well. 837 00:39:02,462 --> 00:39:05,098     $1.6 billion in revenue. 838 00:39:05,131 --> 00:39:07,800      The big pharmaceutical      companies were saying, 839 00:39:07,834 --> 00:39:10,536     "Hang on a second, we've      spent so much money and 840 00:39:10,603 --> 00:39:13,473         time with R&D to        create these drugs. 841 00:39:13,506 --> 00:39:16,642      And then Barry Sherman      gets to sell our drug? 842 00:39:16,676 --> 00:39:18,511        That's not fair." 843 00:39:18,544 --> 00:39:20,847      Believe me, the brand    companies do not like it. 844 00:39:20,847 --> 00:39:22,615          They hate it. 845 00:39:22,615 --> 00:39:26,819     [Murray] Barry was a guy        that liked action. 846 00:39:26,853 --> 00:39:29,155           And if you're        looking for action, 847 00:39:29,188 --> 00:39:31,724      you're going to get it            because the 848 00:39:31,791 --> 00:39:35,628       brand name companies           are out to... 849 00:39:35,661 --> 00:39:37,797        slit your throat. 850 00:39:37,830 --> 00:39:44,170                ♪ 851 00:39:44,203 --> 00:39:46,739    [Kevin] Taking what I know      about the crime scene, 852 00:39:46,739 --> 00:39:49,909    does the manner of their   death offer any clues about 853 00:39:49,909 --> 00:39:53,146        the identity of the        killer or killers? 854 00:39:53,179 --> 00:39:56,015      Barry and Honey Sherman     are seated side-by-side, 855 00:39:56,048 --> 00:39:58,317     belts around their neck. 856 00:39:58,351 --> 00:39:59,919    Without a shadow of doubt, 857 00:39:59,986 --> 00:40:03,856         they were posed        in that position. 858 00:40:03,890 --> 00:40:07,427       This was just a setup      to confuse everything, 859 00:40:07,427 --> 00:40:10,196         because this guy        was a professional. 860 00:40:10,229 --> 00:40:12,665       One thing you always        have to focus on is 861 00:40:12,698 --> 00:40:14,901       what logically makes         sense in a case. 862 00:40:14,934 --> 00:40:16,903       You're talking about      potentially assaulting 863 00:40:16,936 --> 00:40:19,038      two different people. 864 00:40:19,071 --> 00:40:21,374          Subduing them,          tying them up. 865 00:40:21,407 --> 00:40:24,110    And ultimately, putting a    ligature around them and 866 00:40:24,110 --> 00:40:26,279          killing them. 867 00:40:26,345 --> 00:40:30,183  What I just described is going     to take a lot of minutes. 868 00:40:30,216 --> 00:40:32,251       Why would you do all       of that, if in fact, 869 00:40:32,251 --> 00:40:33,252         you just wanted          to kill them 870 00:40:33,553 --> 00:40:36,189    when you could shoot them      in about 10 seconds? 871 00:40:36,222 --> 00:40:39,892                ♪ 872 00:40:39,926 --> 00:40:42,695      Believe me, the brand    companies do not like the 873 00:40:42,728 --> 00:40:45,231     generic drug companies. 874 00:40:45,264 --> 00:40:47,733    But it's part of business. 875 00:40:47,767 --> 00:40:49,368    A pharmaceutical company, 876 00:40:49,402 --> 00:40:52,138   they're not going to engage     a professional killer. 877 00:40:52,205 --> 00:40:54,240         Imagine being at         a board meeting, 878 00:40:54,273 --> 00:40:57,310          and having the        ES Officer saying, 879 00:40:57,376 --> 00:41:00,880    "Ah, yes, we just arranged     for the assassination of 880 00:41:00,913 --> 00:41:03,082          our number one       generic competitor." 881 00:41:03,115 --> 00:41:05,051    That is not going to fly. 882 00:41:05,084 --> 00:41:07,720    It would be a comedy fest,          quite frankly. 883 00:41:07,753 --> 00:41:10,556   Companies do not do this... 884 00:41:10,590 --> 00:41:13,926        because guess what?       Apotex still exists. 885 00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:18,231       The organization has        a life to its own. 886 00:41:18,264 --> 00:41:20,566           So, to me... 887 00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:25,805   a brand company would have  absolutely no reason to kill. 888 00:41:25,805 --> 00:41:28,574        Ever, ever, ever. 889 00:41:28,608 --> 00:41:30,142      Is it possible? Sure. 890 00:41:30,176 --> 00:41:32,745          Is it likely?  It's my professional opinion, 891 00:41:32,778 --> 00:41:35,648   it's not likely that this is        a contract killing. 892 00:41:35,681 --> 00:41:43,189                ♪ 893 00:41:43,189 --> 00:41:45,525     [Kevin] There's another       theory of the case. 894 00:41:45,591 --> 00:41:47,026           People have         speculated that 895 00:41:47,093 --> 00:41:49,695         this is a crime         of retribution, 896 00:41:49,695 --> 00:41:52,965         that somebody is        mad at Barry and... 897 00:41:52,999 --> 00:41:55,868    they feel that maybe Barry        has done something 898 00:41:55,935 --> 00:41:57,036        horrible to them. 899 00:41:57,169 --> 00:41:59,939    They want to do something       horrible to Barry. 900 00:41:59,972 --> 00:42:02,875    The autopsy shows that... 901 00:42:02,942 --> 00:42:07,813    Barry and Honey had their   wrists bound at some point. 902 00:42:07,847 --> 00:42:11,551         A whole bunch of    questions arise from that. 903 00:42:11,617 --> 00:42:14,654    My guess would be that the        tying of the hands 904 00:42:14,687 --> 00:42:16,556     was just to subdue them. 905 00:42:16,622 --> 00:42:20,359      You bind both hands so      they can't fight back. 906 00:42:20,393 --> 00:42:23,229    And then, perhaps, the... 907 00:42:23,229 --> 00:42:27,033  the killer, or killers, force   them into the pool area and 908 00:42:27,066 --> 00:42:29,302     brought them down there   because they wanted to have 909 00:42:29,335 --> 00:42:32,171        a conversation with      them before they died. 910 00:42:32,204 --> 00:42:33,873        Maybe told them why        they were doing it. 911 00:42:33,906 --> 00:42:35,241        And the reason you        do that, obviously, 912 00:42:35,308 --> 00:42:38,177   is you want them to suffer. 913 00:42:38,210 --> 00:42:42,715   This is a big-time personal       way to kill people. 914 00:42:42,748 --> 00:42:44,150   The belts around their neck, 915 00:42:44,183 --> 00:42:47,053   perhaps that was strictly to       keep them upright... 916 00:42:47,053 --> 00:42:48,921        as a shock factor, 917 00:42:48,988 --> 00:42:51,724        when somebody walks         in to find them. 918 00:42:51,724 --> 00:42:54,160        It's just one more        step of sort of... 919 00:42:54,193 --> 00:42:56,696        poking the victims            in the eye. 920 00:42:56,729 --> 00:43:00,333       This crime just reeks      of somebody they know, 921 00:43:00,366 --> 00:43:02,735     and maybe even someone-   someone very close to them. 922 00:43:02,768 --> 00:43:07,239                ♪ 923 00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:10,443     I start thinking, okay,     well, out of the people 924 00:43:10,509 --> 00:43:12,111       who are really close         to the Shermans, 925 00:43:12,178 --> 00:43:15,047        who would do that? 926 00:43:15,081 --> 00:43:18,017      I thought I might find       perhaps somebody who 927 00:43:18,050 --> 00:43:21,454    believes that they've been     wronged by Barry Sherman. 928 00:43:21,454 --> 00:43:23,356          They don't like         what he's doing. 929 00:43:23,389 --> 00:43:25,725        They don't like how        he's treating them. 930 00:43:25,758 --> 00:43:27,627        And they're angry. 931 00:43:30,863 --> 00:43:32,264                ♪ 932 00:43:32,298 --> 00:43:35,301           Next time on      Billionaire Murders... 933 00:43:35,301 --> 00:43:39,305   It's all about a long-term,      abusive relationship 934 00:43:39,372 --> 00:43:42,908    between Barry, Honey, and      whoever killed them. 935 00:43:42,942 --> 00:43:46,245      These two people died        a horrific death, 936 00:43:46,278 --> 00:43:48,080        and what they must        have gone through, 937 00:43:48,114 --> 00:43:50,449     we'll never understand. 938 00:43:50,483 --> 00:43:53,786    I felt like David going up         against Goliath. 939 00:43:53,819 --> 00:43:55,254   I've never seen that before. 940 00:43:55,287 --> 00:43:57,590        I've never seen a        reporter do that. 941 00:43:57,623 --> 00:44:00,393     He said something about   cutting off Barry Sherman's 942 00:44:00,459 --> 00:44:03,429        head, rolling it      down the parking lot. 943 00:44:03,462 --> 00:44:06,799    If it was a TV movie, this   would be your prime suspect. 944 00:44:06,832 --> 00:44:08,668        I need to find out, 945 00:44:08,668 --> 00:44:10,436       where was he on the      night of the murders? 946 00:44:10,469 --> 00:44:14,173                ♪ 947 00:44:14,240 --> 00:44:40,366 ♪ 95013

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