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- Tonight the "Southern Charm"

season three reunion begins.

- All right, stand by.

- My mom always says,
"Y'all be sweet to each other."

- I'm going to be ready
to rumble.

- I'm probably gonna start
drinking wine.

- It's going to be
a sh-- show.

- How does your family feel
about the show?

- They say it's worse
than my having gone to prison.

[laughter]

- Will you go home with a six?

- No.
- I've seen you with twos.

- Oh, God,
is that a binary scale?

[laughter]

- You attacked me
in a drug-fueled rage.

- I knew
what our future could be,

but if she would have
hooked up with Shep,

it would have ruined it all.

- I went without seeing
my children for 14 weeks.

- There's a lot of stuff

I've been wanting to clear up
for a long time.

- Were you surprised
when she suggested Thomas

as a possible suitor?

- I was surprised.
[laughs]

- But you looked dangerous
to me.

I mean, that's almost
unforgivable.

- I don't want to fake
a friendship with Kathryn

that's really not there.

- I've been put through
a lot of sh--

because of people like you.

- You f---ed everyone
on this sofa.

- Something about Craig
makes me want to call him out.

- There are still
stupid little things

that you lie about.

- You lied.
You lied.

- [stammering]

- You think I have
zero talent, right?

Isn't that right?

- I've never said
you have zero talent.

I said you had talent
on your back.

- These people have all tried
to define me,

and they've failed.

- I'm sick of it
being questioned--

the paternity, the ethnicity.

This is all very offensive.

- Like Patricia said,

a lot of people don't have
to question these things.

- I'm not getting into this.
I'm not getting into this.

- Thomas, would you like to show
some documents here?

- I am over this.

- Kathryn, where are you going?

- I don't know.
That was--I can't.

- Stand by.
Five seconds.

Four, three, two.

- The reunion starts now.

- ♪ Mm-hmm ♪

- Hey, everybody.

Welcome the "Southern Charm"
season three reunion.

I'm your host, Andy Cohen,

here with the belles and beaus
of Charleston, South Carolina.

Hey, Craig.
- Hey, what's going on, Andy?

- Hey, Sheppy.

Late night with a lady
last night?

- No, I took it easy last night.
Tonight, though.

- Oh, tonight.
- Watch out, New York.

- All right.
Hi, Kathryn.

- Hi.
- How are the babies?

- Lovely.
They're doing great, yeah.

- Hey, T-Rav.
How you doing, Senator?

- Fantastic.
- Yes?

- Great to be here.

- Hi, Cameran.
- Hi, Andy.

- Good to see you.
- Good to see you too.

- Hi, Landon.
- Hi.

- I'm sure you want to talk
about the Founders' Ball.

- Can't wait.

- Hi, Whitney.
- Andrew.

- Your mother, Patricia,

has once again rebuffed
my invitation.

- She apologizes.

- She had a date with a martini.

[laughter]

- Yup, she sends her love.

- You know,
Senator Ravenel,

you and Kathryn

both come from
very prominent families

in the area.

I wonder, how does your family
feel about the show?

- They don't like it at all.
- They don't.

- No.
- Really?

- They say it's worse than
my having gone to prison.

- They do?
[laughter]

Yet you soldier on.

- Yes.

- Anyone here feel

the show does not
represent them well

or truthfully?

- I'd say
the camera doesn't lie.

I mean, you know
how much footage--

- It does lie
when people lie on it.

- I think Shep handles it
the best,

because he's so detached.

He doesn't take it
too seriously.

- Yeah.
- It's just a show, you know?

- Do you take anything
seriously?

- Not really.
- No.

- I have to say this.

It's different for me,
because I had a child on it,

and I now have two children.

And so things are--they weigh
a little bit more for me.

- Well, of all the lost boys
of Charleston,

there is one who seems
especially stuck in Neverland.

Shep.
- He's a club owner.

- Yeah, I was sorry to hear
about the fire at your bar.

- Yeah, it's coming back
next month,

and then we opened up a new one
last month,

and it's doing awesome.

- Oh, yeah.
I can attest to that.

- Thomas was cutting a rug
in there last week.

- Is that right?
- Yeah.

- Christine from Overland Park,
Kansas, said,

"Shep, what's up
with the Speedo shtick?

How many do you own,
and do they ever get you lucky?"

- I think Speedos are hilarious.

Like, just instant comedy.
- Yes.

- And it's low-hanging fruit,
but--

[laughter]
No pun intended.

[laughter]
- That's funny.

- Whitney, you said Shep
gets hammered every day

and chases sixes.

[laughter]

Will you go home with a six
over going home alone?

- Uh, no. Well...
- Shep.

- Oh, my God, Shep.
- Everybody's six is different.

It's totally subjective.

- I've seen you with twos

because you didn't want
to go home alone.

- A two? Oh, God,
is that a binary scale?

One or two?

- Would you go home with a two

rather than go home alone?

- No.

I don't know what a two is,

and I think, frankly,
that's a little rude.

- This season, we saw you
get serious with Bailey

until it came down
to the DTR moment.

"Define the relationship."
- Yes, yes.

- Is that usually a big fork
in the road for you?

- Big-time.

I don't want to disappoint
anybody,

and I don't want to hurt
anybody's feelings,

and as soon as that conversation
is had

and promises are made,

then it's no turning back, and--

- How old are you?
- 36.

- Mm.

Chris from North Brunswick,
New Jersey, said,

"Shep, why did you go on such
a big public apology tour

after saying your girl Bailey
was DTF?"

- I don't know.
Look, I've got to talk

and try to be irreverent
and funny sometimes,

and sometimes it comes out
the wrong way.

And I am not disrespectful
to women.

I try not to be
as much as I can,

'cause I love women.

I just don't want to be
a misogynist,

and that "DTF"
is so uncool.

It's not the--

It's not even in my lexicon,
honestly.

I can't even believe I said it.

- It's so interesting, though,

because you seem
not misogynistic,

but you seem very amorous.

So what's--where do you draw
the line?

What's the difference between
talking about, you know,

going home with girls
every night

and being misogynistic?

- You're honest with somebody.

You don't whisper
sweet little nothings

that you don't mean
into people's ear.

I think that's where
misogyny comes in.

- But Shep is just--
he's horny.

- He is the horniest man
I've ever met

in my entire life.

I mean--
- He's like a rabbit.

- Well, I have to ask,
because you guys had a moment.

Did you--I'm just curious,
Kathryn.

Did you feel like--
- It was casual.

- Yeah, did you feel like
it was casual?

- It was like a mutual casual--

"We don't even have to say
anything."

- We got a bottle of wine,

and we walked down
to the battery.

- I mean, I was 21.

What were you doing when--

what was everyone doing
when they were 21?

Come on.
- It was lovely.

- It was fun.
I don't care. Whatever.

Like goes on.
Hey.

- Ally from Springfield,
Missouri, said,

"Shep, I love you, but I got
to call bullsh-- on that one.

"For three seasons, all you do
is talk about women

"in a flippant and cavalier way.

What am I missing?"

- Do I, though?
I don't know.

I mean, I appreciate
the message,

but, I mean,
I'm very careful not to.

I mean--and I don't even
walk around like,

"Oh, I went home with this girl.

I went home with this girl."

That's like locker room talk.

I'd rather talk about literature
or something like that.

- [laughs]
- It's true, though.

We used to read books

and listen to music
on the headphones.

- I'd give you books to read.
- Yeah.

And she liked them.
- It was interesting.

It was refreshing to meet
someone with a brain.

- Britney from San Diego said,
"Shep,

"are you stuck in neutral
with work and love

"because you don't want
to do anything

"to disappoint your family?

Better to do nothing
than to do something wrong?"

- Wow.

Can I lie down on this couch?

[laughter]

I don't know.

Look...

[sighs]

I--I like what I do,

and I don't--I don't see
any reason

to change right now.

Should I interview
with a bank

and, you know, analyze
a spreadsheet all day?

I don't think
that's my personality.

- Marina from Houston, Texas,
said,

"Cameran, why in the world
did you decide

"to risk your hard-earned
business reputation

by bringing Shep on to help you
with your real estate business?"

- [laughs]

- He's got such, like,

a magnetic, amazing personality.

I have never met anybody
or come in contact with anybody

that has a problem with Shep,
that Shep annoys.

- Right.

- And I figured he would be

a very charming counterpart.

- It does seem like,
had you known a modicum

of what you were talking about,

you would have maybe been great.

- Yeah.

- This is all
remodeled bathrooms,

marble floors and--

- Um, these are actually
not marble.

They're travertine.

- Which is?

- It's in the marble family.

- Uh, not really.
It's a natural stone.

- I thought I was supposed to be
Cameran's assistant,

and she thrust me off
onto the stage.

You wouldn't even give me
your notebook.

I needed that notebook.

- Well, at the end of the day,

I don't think you care
about making a lot of money.

I mean, I really don't.
- What gives you that idea?

- I don't--
- He already has money.

- Yeah, but even if you didn't
have a lot of money,

you would just do enough
to get by...

- That's right.
- 'Cause you just enjoy living.

- You do not need extravagance
in your life.

- No, I don't, but I do like
the Bahamas a lot.

Maybe I'll just rent.

- Heather from
St. Paul, Minnesota, said,

"Cameran, you're the only one
of your friends

"working hard every day.

Are you jealous of
the ne'er-do-wells' lifestyle?"

- Um, no.

I'm proud to say that I've
been married for two years,

and my husband has not given me
a dime of money yet.

I mean, I have
my own bank account.

I have my own credit card.

And I just--that's how
I feel comfortable.

- You know, Cameran,
the season began

with you squatting
off the side of a boat...

[laughter]

Which was an interesting look
for you.

- Yeah, I mean, I had to go.

What was--
- I did it too.

- I mean, at least
it wasn't a number two.

- Well, this year, we got to see
a different side of Cameran.

Why didn't you invite
Thomas and Kathryn

to that dinner party?

- We are about to eat dinner
at Cameran's.

She's cooking.

- Did you--I don't--

- No, I didn't know.

The fact that I'm not invited
makes me feel like sh--.

I can't express it in words,
but it sucks.

- Well...

my experience

in being around them together

has been quite tumultuous,

and that's not something that--

I don't--I don't enjoy
being around drama.

Some people feed off of it.

Me, I shut down.

I get anxiety.

I don't like it.

- Well, folks on social media

have a lot to say about this.
- Yeah.

- "Cameran is a mean girl
masquerading as a nice girl."

"Cameran is a bit snotty
this season.

She's definitely taken over
the holier-than-thou role."

Do you think you're taking
a beating--

- I mean, if I'm a bitch
and I'm snotty

and I'm a mean girl

because I don't want
to have turmoil--

- You called my birth of my son
"tawdry"

and our situation "tawdry."

- No, I didn't.
- Yes, you did.

- When did I call it tawdry?

- You said it on the show.

- People try to get pregnant
for, like, years.

- Yeah.

- And they just get pregnant
like that, the two of them.

- Well, she's 22.

That's when the picking's ripe.

- [laughs]
Basically.

- I think the whole thing
is just tawdry,

and I don't like
talking about it.

Well, I do think it's tawdry.

- Well, that's--that's
a mean girl comment, okay?

- I was not referring
to the birth of your child.

- You don't know anything
about me or my children.

None of you do.

- I would never talk
about your child.

And, Kathryn--
- Yes, you did.

- I take up for you
all the time.

- When? Never heard it.
- It's true; she does.

- When people talk about you
and this relationship, okay?

I was not referring to the birth
of your child as tawdry.

I would never say that, ever.

I'm not sure
what I was referring to.

- We were idiots
for getting pregnant again.

I mean,

it's just like--

I would never treat anyone
that way,

and so y'all paint me
in this light--

- You treat all of us
like this all the time.

You're treating us like this
right now.

- You, shut up.

- Coming up...

Did you take the bar?

- I'm not allowed
to take the bar.

- You lied.
You lied.

- Hey, everybody, we are back

with the "Southern Charm"
reunion.

Danielle from Plymouth Meeting,
Pennsylvania, said,

"Cameran, you've said

"that Kathryn
has never done anything to you,

but you won't even
have coffee with her. Why?"

- She hasn't.

Kathryn has never done anything
to me.

But I don't want to fake
a friendship with Kathryn

that's really not there.

You know, I don't feel like
you and I are close friends.

- We aren't.
- I don't really know

what we would talk about
at coffee.

- That's right; we don't know.

- But you have to understand--
- Hold on one second.

I think the big thing was that
what did you have to lose

by going to coffee?

It wasn't like, you know,
anything--

like, that was
such a little event

that I think some people
were confused.

- You have to understand

the last time
I was around you, Kathryn,

we were on this couch,
doing the same thing.

- Mm-hmm.

- And, I mean,
here we are again,

a year later,
and nothing has changed.

- What do you mean,
nothing has changed?

Please explain to me
how you've ever known me

and how you've ever known
what got me here

and what got him there.

You don't know anything.

- Well, Cameran, viewers were
really surprised to hear

that you're still struggling
with the decision

about whether to have a baby.

- If I found out
that I was pregnant tomorrow,

I would be terrified.

I would be like--
I would be like,

"Oh, my God,
my life is over."

- Well, honey, then
that tells you right there

you're certainly not leaning
toward having a child.

- You know, I--
it's interesting.

Ever since I talked about
not wanting, you know,

to have a baby right now
on national television,

I have gotten a lot
of private messages from women

saying, "You have every right

to put this amount
of thought into it."

So I think, um,
it helped validate me.

- You should put a lot
of thought into it.

It is a huge, huge change.

- Do you ever regret

having had kids
at such a young age?

- I wouldn't say
the word "regret."

I would say I wonder
what life would be like,

but it doesn't mean
I still can't pursue

everything I wanted to
prior to having kids.

- Yeah.
- And I am.

- Alexis from Myrtle Beach,
South Carolina, wonders,

"Cameran, I think
it's a bit naive

"that a traditional Southern
husband would be okay

with not having an heir."

- You know, I think he is hoping
I would change my mind,

but I don't want to do it
just for him.

- Kathryn...

- Because that's
the wrong reason to have a baby.

- She needs to hold Saint
for about two minutes,

and I think she may have
a change of heart.

- What does your husband think
of the show?

- He loves it.

- I know he doesn't want
to be on it.

- No.
Oh, my God.

- But he loves it.
- He loves it, yeah.

- What did Jason think

of T-Rav calling you
"sanctimonious"?

- He wasn't too happy--

- He was okay with that part.

It was the word that came after.

- Yeah, he was not--

he was not too happy
with T-Rav.

- Have you seen him
since then?

- I did,
and I was a little nervous.

I kept expecting him
to maybe punch me.

- But he's
a very forgiving person.

- Let's bring him out.
[laughter]

- Jason!
- That'd be cool.

- I would have enjoyed that
very much.

After a sabbatical back home
to regroup,

the prodigal son triumphantly
returned to Charleston,

and he has absolutely no shame

referring to himself
in the third person.

How is #NewCraig doing?

- He's doing great.
- Yes?

- Yeah, he's--
- [laughs]

- He's still doing it.

- Oh, wow,
I really just did it.

- [laughing]
- Still doing it, Craig.

- Um, Craig's
really happy.

- "I'm."
"I'm."

- I'm--I'm--

It's really nice,

because I'm finally
actually happy,

and I didn't know if that day
would ever come, so...

- What's the biggest difference

between New Craig and Old Craig?

- I think everyone
can answer that one.

- A girlfriend.
- Yeah.

- That's really the only
discernable difference

I can see.

- No, he quit drinking liquor.

- Oh, yeah, yeah,
I'd been drinking liquor--

- Do you don't drink liquor.
- He doesn't drink liquor.

- This is interesting.
You don't drink liquor.

But you drink wine and beer?

- This is third person,
but, like,

Craig up to here is awesome,
and he's a lot of fun.

But this Craig sucks,
and he's awful.

- He is loathsome.

- And with beer and wine,
I don't get over this hump,

because it's just a fun,
like, slow thing.

- Talk to me
about the promise ring.

- What is that?

- It's a present.

- Are you serious?

- You like it?
- Yes!

- I wanted to give you
kind of a token

of the fact that I want
to be with you forever.

And eventually, we can
get married and stuff.

- I love it, Craigy.

- The ring is what?

- So in the South,
you are a successful girl

if you were proposed to by
the time you graduate college.

You haven't done something right

if you don't have a ring
on your finger

at your friend's wedding
with everyone else.

So for Naomie and I, like,
that is our engagement ring.

- [laughs]
Craig!

No, it's not.
No, it's not.

- Shep, rumor has it that before
Craig and Naomie got together,

you put the moves on her
one night.

- [laughs]
Uh, this is true.

- Yeah, it's true.

- Craig and Naomie came over
to a late-night.

I was like, "Why don't you
go upstairs, Craig?

I got an extra bedroom."

And Naomie and I were chatting
in the kitchen,

and he went upstairs.

Then he realized
what was going on,

and he came storming down
and was like,

"Get--wait, wait,
whoa, whoa."

- Because I knew--
I knew--

- Nothing happened?
- Nothing happened.

- No, I knew
what our figure could be,

but if she would have
hooked up with Shep,

it would have ruined it all,
so I wanted her to know that.

And she was like,
"Craig, don't insult me."

- Oh, stop it.
"Insult me"?

- Shep, I want to know why
you're so competitive

with Craig.

- I mean, I think
last season,

I was a little rough on Craig,

and I kind of heard about it
a lot in the off--

in between season two
and three.

- Right.

- I was in San Francisco,
playing wiffleball

on mushrooms...

- This is hilarious.
- Are you really telling this?

- This is the best story ever.

- And we had to go
to get a beer run,

and I jump in the car
with this guy--with a friend,

and we're speeding down,

and this cop Maglites us.

- Your friend was driving
on mushrooms?

- Oh, well...

- Go on.
- Anyway...

I go, "I don't know anything."

I said, "I'm from
South Carolina.

"I don't know where I am
or where I was.

I don't know where I'm going."

And they took me--
they took me to jail.

So I'm sitting in there

and watching
"The Price is Right."

- Not to interrupt your story,

but at this point,

on a scale of zero to ten,
how high are you still?

- Six,
but once you get arrested,

you go down to about a three
pretty quickly.

- Okay.
[laughter]

- And finally this lady
walks by,

like a clerk, and goes,

"Does Craig know you in here?"

[laughter]

And I go--I go, "No,

"but I'm sure
he'd be quite pleased

to know I'm in here."

And she goes,
"You be nice to him."

So at that point,

I thought maybe
the public opinion

should be heeded

and I should be nice
to old Craig from here on out.

- Wow, it took mushrooms
and a police station

for you to...
[laughter]

I'm assuming everyone here
prefers New Craig.

- Yes.
- Yes.

- Yes, but there's still
stupid little things

that you lie about sometimes
that bothers me.

- Like beating you
in a date auction

or about how I had to lie
about the bar for so long?

That's where all of
his anger comes from.

Most of it.
- It's a lot of it, yes.

It's the bar exam.
- Why does that upset you?

- I sat there with him

and, like, basically co-signed
the bar application.

We stuffed it in an envelope.

And I was like, "Where the hell
did that letter go to?"

- So did you take the bar?

- I'm not allowed
to take the bar.

- You're not allowed
to take the bar.

- No, I never finished
my thesis paper.

So I walked for graduation,

but I hadn't received
my official diploma.

- So Whitney was right.

- You're talking about me
like I'm a high school dropout.

I just graduated law school.

- Did you really graduate?

- Yeah.
- All right, okay.

- They were at my graduation.

My pictures are in there.
- Okay.

I was kind of guessing.
I'm sorry, but--

- The blood literally--
I was like,

"Out of all the random sh--
you could say right now,

it's real."

- So you applied
for February 2016

to take the bar in Charleston.

- Yeah, so--
- So it didn't matter.

So we turn in all this--

- But so I thought
I would be--

- You lied.
You lied.

- Well, yeah,
there's no way around it.

But what I planned--

- Do you feel like
you owe Shep an apology?

- No, because I planned
on finishing--

I planned on fixing it
before the bar came,

and if I would have
a week before the bar,

I would have been allowed
to sit.

- But you didn't.
- But I didn't.

I didn't have a way out.

- Uh, so next year,

if we're sitting here
on this porch...

[women laugh]

Will you be a lawyer?

- Hopefully.
- Hopefully?

- Yeah, I finally get
at least the chance to try.

- In Georgia.
[laughter]

- Coming up...

- I know it happened.

You f--- everything
that you see.

- No, I don't, Kathryn.

You f---ed everyone
on this sofa.

- We are back with

- We are back with
the "Southern Charm" reunion.

Landon, Jessica
from Portland, Oregon, said,

"Thanks for sharing your story.

"I, too, am restarting
after a rough divorce

"and can so identify with
everything you're going through.

It's hard to start
back at square one in your 30s."

- That is true. [laughs]
- Yeah.

- You put yourself out there
work-wise this season

by attempt to create
a travel website,

but your meetings
with your friend Lockhart...

- Yeah.
- Were a little cringy.

- What troubles me here
is that I'm holding paper.

I thought, at this phase
of the game,

we'd be a little further along
technologically.

To be blunt, we're nowhere.

- Well, you know,
that's the first time

I put myself out there.

I cringed too.

I mean, I was terrified
and nervous,

but Lockhart's been
really sweet and kind to me,

and we are still working
towards that goal.

- So let's talk about one of

your most heartfelt moments
this season.

I have to ask,
of all the men in Charleston,

why Sheppy?

You've known him since college.

- Yeah, I figured,
"Why not try?"

I have to say I was
a little bit jealous

when you were getting
serious with her.

- Jealous?
- Yeah.

- Why so?

- Maybe I love you.

Are you okay?
Did you get excited?

- What was going
through your head

as Landon confessed
her feelings to you?

- I mean, I think
it's incredibly flattering.

Don't get me wrong.

But I just hate emotions.
[laughs]

What did you think
I was gonna say?

- I didn't think
you would say anything.

I know you very well,

and I just wanted
to be honest.

- Cameran, you suspected
the love connection all along.

When did you see it start?

- I could just pick up on it.

I mean, just the way
Landon is around Sh--

I mean, I don't know; it's just
kind of obvious, I think.

- It happened before,

and she said no to Shep,

and then Shep said,
"All right, I'm done."

- Yeah.
- Said no to what?

- I had just moved back.

- I was like, "Yeah,
let's hang out."

Like, that's driving
pretty strong under the hoop.

- When she moved back,
you wanted to hang out with her.

- We did, a little bit.

We hooked up a little bit

but nothing--
nothing serious.

- I wasn't ready.
I--yeah.

- The two of you
have slept together.

both: No.
- No.

- We didn't.
I'd say it; I don't care.

- Landon, you were determined
to show Shep a new side.

Did Patricia help you find
your sexy?

- It wasn't necessarily
for Shep.

It was more for myself
than for anyone else.

- Were you surprised
when she suggested Thomas

as a possible suitor?

- I think she was joking.
[laughs]

- I was surprised.
[laughs]

- Kathryn, what did you think
when you saw Patricia

trying to play matchmaker
between Landon and Thomas?

- Um...

I didn't really have a thought,

because irrelevance
doesn't exist in my brain.

- Okay.

Annie from Oakland, California,
said,

"Shep, you've been
Mr. Inclusive,

"but at Founders' Ball,
you did something

"you knew would hurt
Landon's feelings.

You brought her friend Robin
as your date."

Were you trying to send Landon
a message?

- We had a big argument
about that.

If a girl builds up
enough courage

to express
that she's in love with--

it wasn't like, "Hey,
I want to make out with you"

or drunkenly like you.

It was like,
"I'm in love with you."

I was like, "She's not
gonna enjoy seeing you

with another girl."

- Well, she's gonna
have to get used to it,

'cause it's gonna happen a lot.

I think she understands that,
don't you?

- Yeah.

- Cameran, did you think
Shep was wrong

to bring Robin?

- No, I mean, I--I don't think

you were seriously
dating Robin.

- No.

- I think it was just--

Did you even hook up with her?

- [laughs]

- Oh, never mind.

- Lindsey from Baton Rouge,
Louisiana, said,

"Shep, you seem to adore
many qualities about Landon,

"but you also seemed turned off

"but how Landon avoided
inviting Kathryn

to your birthday party."

What happened?

- I don't know
what exactly happened.

I mean, I honestly want
everyone to come

and have fun with me
all the time.

I mean, I don't have--

I don't want anyone
to be excluded, so--

- Landon, why didn't you want
Kathryn at the party?

- 'Cause she's not fun
to be around.

- And then when Shep asked you
about not inviting Kathryn,

you didn't come clean.

- That's true,
and I regret it.

I'm sorry.

- Who were you
just apologizing to,

Shep or Kathryn?
- To both of you.

I'm sorry, Kathryn.

I didn't mean
to hurt your feelings.

- Well, thank you,

and if you don't mind me asking,

I really would love
to know why.

- Just because
the last time we were together,

you had told me to f--- off.

I can have an opinion
whenever I want, Kathryn.

- Uh, you can have one
with someone else,

'cause I'm not listening,
thanks.

This is our party,
so f--- off.

Got it?

- And I apologized to you after.

That was the last time
we were together.

- After we did
the reunion,

then you went
on this nasty Twitter spree

and said all kinds
of awful things about me.

- Because you went on the trip
for Valentine's Day

that Thomas and I had planned
for each other.

- I didn't know that.

- So you two planned a trip
for Valentine's Day

that he wound up taking--

- Yes. Thomas,
don't you dare lie.

- I'm not gonna lie.
- A Valentine's Day trip?

- Don't you dare lie.
- We were separated.

She made in no uncertain terms
that "I want my own bedroom."

And I said, "You will have
your own bedroom,"

and at that,
she made it very clear,

"Don't even try."

- Kathryn, Kathryn,

this is a great opportunity.

- Yes.

- I feel like you get paranoid
in situations.

- I'm not paranoid.

I know that they hooked up.

- We did not.
- But that's not true.

You don't know that,
'cause it never happened.

It never--
we've never hooked up.

I'm sorry you don't believe me,

but that is the truth.

- I know it happened.

You f--- everything
that you see.

- No, I don't, Kathryn.

You f---ed everyone
on this sofa.

Once again, you're projecting
what--how you feel,

and you're saying
that's how I feel.

- You think I have zero talent,
right?

- I don't.
When did I say--

Oh, I said you had talent
on your back, which is true.

- I do.
You're right.

- Yeah, that's a good talent.

It seems to have
served you well.

- And I have a lot more
that you don't know about...

- I know, 'cause no one's
ever seen your talent,

'cause all you do is this, like,

"Uh, I can't even make
a sentence"--

- You don't know me at all.

- What I do know about you,
I don't like,

and that's why I don't
want you around.

- Craig--Craig likes her.

You were fed up with everyone
icing out Kathryn,

and you were determined
to get to the bottom of it.

- Someone doesn't have
a passionate hatred

for someone for three years

unless something else
happened.

And, like, I know
you and Whitney, like,

used to be good friends,
right?

- Yeah.

Thomas and I hooked up,
like, once, basically,

and then we--we didn't talk.

And then Whitney and I
started our relationship.

- How long after?

- Like a week later?
I don't know.

- But it was more
than just physical.

- Yeah, it was more
than just physical.

- So, Whitney, how do you recall

your relationship with Kathryn
playing out?

- I mean, we'd had
kind of a one-night thing.

We both agreed
that it was a drunken mistake.

- But it was a one-night stand,
is what you're saying.

- Yes.

- We slept together
more than one night,

and I stayed with you
at your home.

- What is this?

Look, there's bras,
underwear.

- It's Kathryn's stuff.

- Bless her little heart.

- I remember you playing guitar
beside the bed,

and you had all these shelves.

- Why did she have so much stuff
at your house?

- Well, there was a party
just down the block at Jenna's,

and Kathryn was living
in Moncks Corner or something

and asked if she could change
in the bedroom,

left all her sh-- there,

and that's why
the clothes were there.

And that's the truth.

- I remember this.

We were laying in your bed,

and you're playing guitar.

It was the Chanel guitar.

You had just woken up.
I woke up.

And then I remember
you got in the bed

and you were telling me
all this sh--,

and you started saying
something about,

"You know,
you're the type of girl

I could see myself marrying."

I do remember that,
and we sat at the table.

Your mom brought a newspaper

with apartments for sale
in New York.

- I mean, she has
a very vivid memory

of having breakfast with you
and your mother.

- Yes, I did.
- Pure fantasy.

- And it was yogurt
with granola,

and I couldn't work
your coffee thing,

'cause I don't know;
I guess y'all are too fancy.

And there's dogs everywhere.

- This is
a very descriptive scene

that she's talking about.

- Patricia said,
"The first time I met her

was 9:00 a.m. in the kitchen
while I was getting coffee."

- Okay, something might have
happened three years ago,

and we're discussing this?

I mean...

- I'm not trying to be mean
at all.

I'm just trying to stay truthful
to the situation.

It was more
than a one-night stand.

I'm not gonna degrade myself

more than I've already been...

- Let's take a break.

Coming up...

- That's almost unforgivable.

- Oh, my God.
- He was attacked.

Whether he deserved it
or not...

- You looked dangerous to me.

- I--

- Hey, everybody.

Welcome back
to the "Southern Charm" reunion.

Craig, after confirming
your theory with Kathryn,

you decided to spring it
on Whitney in the mountains

in front of the entire group.

- You're just mad

that she started sleeping
with your best friend,

like, four days after,
like, sleeping with you.

- Are you f---ing kidding me?

- Well, why else would you be
so mean towards Kathryn?

- Number one...
[huffing]

I slept with her
way before Thomas.

[laughter]

- But she was living with you.

- Dude--no, she was not
living with me!

- Five days.
- She's a liar!

She's a proven liar.

- She said that you were
living together for five days.

- We had a one-night stand
in--

- Then why did you show up
to Jenna's house with her

at Jenna's party?

- Are you believing her
over me?

- Whitney, what was interesting
to me

was how emotional and defensive
you were...

- Yeah.
- About the plausibility

of you having feelings
for Kathryn.

Why did you get so upset?
Because--

- Absolutely.

- I've almost
never seen you like that.

- Yeah, 100%,
and it was a low moment.

But I blame Shep, because
he got this mason jar

full of this kind of
cherry-flavored moonshine.

- [laughs]
- We were getting hammered.

And so then when Craig came out
with this absurd accusation,

the whole thing struck me

as just completely implausible
and preposterous,

and I just lost it.

- Sometimes alcohol brings out
your real emotions.

- It was not more
than one night. Whatever.

- Cameran, a lot of viewers
were surprised

at how quickly
you took Whitney's side

and called BS on Craig's theory.

- I think if you have
an opinion like that,

you should express it
in private.

I think the fact that--

- So you think
he might be right?

It was just the wrong time?

- This all hinges
on what you "define"

as a relationship.

Sleeping together does not
constitute a rela--

- I referred to it
as a relationship

simply because,
what do you call it?

- But even if it wasn't,
it's not crazy to think

that wouldn't want to talk
to a girl ever again

that slept
with your best friend.

- Whitney, I do not think,

was ever in love with Kathryn.

- Whitney's
pretty unemotional.

I just don't see--

- I don't see it either.
I just--

- Unemotional?

Did you see how he reacted
when it happened?

- I'm talking about women.

- Shep, you slept with Kathryn,

and you ended up friends after.

Why do you think Whitney has
such issues with her?

- I--I don't--look.

What happened at Jekyll Island,

you know, the finger wagging
and--

I mean, that's almost
unforgivable.

- You don't know sh--!

You came to our house.

I was nine months pregnant.

Went to the mother----ing
strip club,

you nasty mother----er!

- I think that's all
the crux of the whole thing.

- Oh, my God.
- He was attacked.

Whether he deserved it or not,

whether he and Patricia

should let it be water
under the bridge--

- Well, he attacked her back.

- He said you have
a black hole in your heart

to be with a dollar sign.

- Okay, but you looked dangerous
to me.

By the way, I don't agree

with Whitney and Patricia
on this vein,

but I don't think
that he's in love with her.

- I never said "love."

- You said "had feelings."

- I don't think
that he's even hurt

that that happened
three years ago.

I don't think
that there's anything to it.

- I would not want
to talk to a girl

that was staying at my house,

that went and slept
with my best friend

and got pregnant a week later.

- Okay, switching gears
a little bit,

apparently, God decided

that the Thomas-Kathryn saga
wasn't over yet.

Congratulations...
- Thank you.

- On the boy.
How old is he?

- He's a little over six weeks.

- How old is Kensie?

- Kensie is a little over two.

- How's she doing?
- She's good.

She's a wild child.

I think she was more like Thomas
whenever he was little.

- Oh, really?

By the way, it's my theory

that at the last reunion show,

that's when the two of you
conceived your child.

I have a sneaking suspicion

that the two of you are gonna
spend tonight together.

- I--
- Don't encourage that.

- I would put my money on that.

- You would?
- 100%.

- You would put your money
on it?

- No comment.

- So I'm thinking
that maybe tonight...

- Oh, God.
- Baby number three.

- [laughs]

- It will never happen again.

- I think that's a yes.

- I think there's someone else
on the couch

that might be willing to do that
but not me.

- Oh.
- Oh!

- I am not sleeping
with Thomas tonight.

[laughter]

- Madeline from Chicago said,

"Thomas and Kathryn,

"have you guys ever used
protection?

You do know how babies are made,
right?"

- Yeah.

- I think
every human being knows

how babies are made,

and I think
every human being knows

that sometimes
you don't always remember

to use protection
when you're in the situation.

That becomes out of control.

That's what happened.

- Thomas, Patricia called you
and Kathryn "morons."

- [laughs]
- Aw, isn't that funny?

She has something to say
other than a martini.

- Well, I think all of us,
at one point or another,

have exhibited moronic behavior,
so...

- We're not morons.

We're simply two people.

I'm sorry, but I was
in love with you,

and I will say that
and be very proud of that.

I don't care
about the age difference.

I was very much in love
with you,

and if people find that moronic,
then I'm sorry

that you don't know
what that feels like.

- Coming up...

Thomas, you had
a third paternity test done,

and you are definitely
the father.

- We are back with

- We are back with
the "Southern Charm" reunion.

Kathryn, right after
Julien was born,

you said the life
you had always dreamed of

was within your grasp.

- Yeah.
- What did you mean?

- I felt like I was
under the impression

that Thomas was indeed,
you know, sincere

in regards to wanting
to marry me,

wanting to have
a nuclear family, live together.

He told me, you know, he'd built
a his-and-hers closet.

The hers was supposed to be
mine, but we broke up.

I don't know.

It just seemed like
everything had been

built up towards
almost being there.

- Dakota from Kensington,
New York, said, "Thomas,

"you keep having children
with a woman

"who you have no intentions
of marrying,

"and then you ask Kathryn
if she's ready for a third.

Are you for real?"

- I have a little Thomas
and big Thomas.

- Ready for a third one?

- I'm ready for, um,
a ring.

- [laughs]

- Ha ha, you thought
that was funny, didn't you?

Well, at that moment,
I was caught up

in an emotion--

you know, a euphoria

of just having a baby,
and--

- And it did make both of us
a little bit--

it made me a little--

it blinded us both
a little bit.

We were just so overjoyed.

That's how it is
the moment you have a baby.

It's just like... [gasps]

- It looked so peaceful
and sweet

between the two of you.

- That's about the only thing
that got us on a level

where it was, like, normal.

- Yeah, I mean, when you have
a child in your hands,

I mean, it's just
so euphoric, and...

- So then what happened--
- So full of joy.

Well, I just think, you know,
reality set in.

And, you know, she's 24.
I'm 53.

And we have
different lifestyles,

and it's just--it's too--

we're just too incompatible.

- We are very incompatible.

- Patricia threw an elegant
gentlemen's dinner party

to celebrate the heir
to the Ravenel throne,

but quickly the group went

from honoring
the newest Ravenel

to questioning whether or not
St. Julien was Thomas's son.

- Thomas, are you gonna do

another paternal-type test
or no?

- Well, I mean, we did one,

but the test was inconclusive.

- Thomas, like,
I'm not gonna say

you're manipulated or persuaded,

but you want to know
people are telling the truth,

and you take them at face.

- But let's face it;

it wouldn't be the first time
she's told lies.

Big-time lies.

- Marissa from
Madison, Wisconsin, said,

"Craig, I thought you were
on Kathryn's side.

"I was disappointed
to see you involved

in that paternity talk."

- [sighs]

It sucked to see myself
say that,

but because Kathryn was
seeing someone at the time

and that they continually said

that they only had
a one-night stand that weekend,

I said, "Statistically,
maybe you would like

to look further into this."

And I hated that I said it.

It's none of my business.

But I was kind of just

giving fa--you know,
giving my opinion.

- Whitney,
you were pretty silent

during the paternity
conversation.

What were you thinking?

- I don't know.

I mean, we all had
our doubts and questions.

You know, Thomas did say
the results were inconclusive,

and so we're just like, "Hey,
just find out for sure,

and that's it."

- Kathryn, what did you think
about JD,

who is Kensie's godfather,
being the one to...

- Disgusted.
- Bring the topic up?

- Disgusted with all of it.

- So, Thomas, you had
a third paternity test done,

and you are definitely
the father.

- Yes.
- Yes.

- It's my child.

- I'm sick of it
being questioned--

the paternity, the ethnicity.

This is all very offensive.

None of you guys understand.

- A lot of people don't have
to question these things.

Like Patricia said,
she doesn't know anyone--

- To try to...
- I don't have a child.

No one's ever questioned--
- Exactly, so shut up.

Until you do, shut up.

- Why? I'm not allowed
to have an opinion

because I don't have children?

That seems a bit harsh.

- I'm not playing
nice girl anymore

simply because you--

- You've never played
nice girl.

You're out of your mind!

- No, I'm playing
Placating the Crazies,

because these people...

- I want to know...

- Then why do you want
to be around us?

Why do you want to be
our friend?

- I don't want
to be your friend,

you dumb-ass.

- Okay.

Cass from Newton, Massachusetts,
said,

"Whitney, Cooper said
Patricia is jealous

"because Kathryn is a younger,
prettier version of herself.

I think there might be
some truth to that statement."

- I know, right?

- At Kathryn's age,

my mother had a graduate degree
and was teaching.

- She was a professor.
- Oh, really?

I was in college,
and you know what?

I got pregnant.

What are you doing,
punishing me for that?

- Were you in classes?

- But you're not
in her league; that's all.

- But you don't know
anything about me,

so just be quiet, okay?

- I'm allowed to talk
whenever I want to talk.

- You can say whatever you want,
but it's all, "Bir, bir, bir."

- But it's the truth.

- I have something
of substance to say.

- Great. Say it.

- Eva from Nashville, Tennessee,
said,

"Kathryn, do you feel judged
in the South

"by Patricia and others

because you're an unmarried
mother of two?"

- Sure.

- "Do you worry
about your reputation

and family name?"

- Nerp, because you know what?

I--people know who I am.

I fee like truth prevails,

and I feel like the good
will always rise to the top.

Cream rises to the top.

Say, do whatever you want,
but--that's fine, yeah.

- Whitney, why is your mom
so anti-Kathryn?

- It's not that she is
snobby or elitist.

She just
doesn't really like her.

When she saw you attack me
in a drug-fueled rage

on Jekyll Island--

- Drug-fueled rage?
Excuse me?

How is it drug-fueled?
Please explain.

- How else do you explain
that behavior?

- Why are you talking?

Continue.

- Because I was asked
a question.

- I'm talking to this one.

- Oh, that's why?
Okay.

- [laughs]
Mature.

- Well, your pills were
all over the--

your pills all over the room
the next morning.

- I have an antidepressant pill
that I take

because I've been put through
a lot of sh--

because of people like you
and your mother.

- Okay, we're gonna take
a break.

Coming up...

- You guys don't know
what I'm talking about.

- I mean, you just failed
a drug test. [laughs]

- I am over this.

- Kathryn, where are you going?

- I don't know.
That was--I can't.

- Excuse me?
- I'm done. Bye.

- Welcome back to

- Welcome back to
the "Southern Charm" reunion.

You two have been really
going at each other on Twitter.

- Mm-hmm.

- What is the crux
of what you're fighting about,

would you say?

- Well, you know,
I've stopped that,

because it's counterproductive.

- You stopped it as of when?

- I'm not going
after her anymore.

- As of, like...

- Like a couple of weeks ago,
yeah.

- Okay.
- I just--

It's counterproductive,
you know,

because I love my children
very much,

and my goal
is that we can have

a harmonious

co-parenting arrangement.

- No, he hasn't tried
to be nice to me at all.

This is a complete act.

The last time I saw him,
we were in a courtroom,

and he was a complete jerk
to me.

And no, he doesn't care
about anything.

He hasn't tried to help me
in any way, okay?

He paid my rent.
That's it.

And you know why?

He was the co-signer,
and that's all.

He didn't want to ruin
his credit, and that's it.

- Is he still paying
your rent?

- Mm-hmm, and that's it.

The people that paint me
as a gold digger

have no idea that I only was
a gold digger

to find it was fool's gold,
if anything.

There's--you never paid
for sh--.

I got face wash
for Christmas, okay?

I just had your baby.

- We don't have an agreement.

- What's the current status
of the custody?

You have the kids and--
- It's joint.

- It's joint.

Mine's unsupervised.
- Oh, this is bull----.

- And I want to spend
as much time as I can with them.

So I have two nannies
with them right now.

- You have two nannies
with them?

- Well, there's two children.

I want to put
the children first.

- The children have
always been first with me,

and that's the only reason
I've protected them.

- I don't want to speak ill

of the mother of my children
at all,

but at some point,
I have to defend myself

and speak the truth.

I went without seeing
my children for 14 weeks.

I don't think that's good
for my children.

- Well, I don't think
it's good for you

to be an alcoholic
and doing drugs.

- I passed the alcohol test,
and I passed the drug test.

- You cheated them.

I'm not getting into this.
I'm not getting into this.

Not doing it.

You guys don't know
what I'm talking about.

- I mean, you just failed
a drug test.

- You don't know anything.

No, I didn't.
Prove it.

- Thomas, would you like to show
some documents here?

- I'll stay out of this.

- I'm really not gonna let this
get slandered anymore,

so everyone can have
their opinions,

think whatever you want.

- I have a mountain
of evidence to prove it.

- And custody battle, period.

Thank you very much.
- There's no slander.

- I'm over this.

- Kathryn, where are you going?

- I don't know.
That was--I can't.

- Excuse me?
- I'm done. Bye.

- So five, everybody.
Five.

- What?
- Why--

This is so rude
and disrespectful

to everyone here.

- Still to come on the
"Southern Charm" reunion...

When you originally planned
this dinner party--

- I think it was a...
- That night...

- Textbook nervous breakdown.

- She's like a sister.
I was complimenting her.

[laughter]
- Yeah, right, Thomas!

- She's coming.
She's right there.

- A lot of rumors online

about you and a drug test.

Did you fail a drug test
relating to the custody?

- I was sort of blamed for...

[sighs]
Sorry.

Their relationship and problems.

I mean, this is probably,
like, Hermes.

- Such a gentleman.

- We still don't have
a tipping point

on why you guys should be
so angry at each other.

- Because you lie
all the time.

- Okay, give me examples.

- Seriously?
Shut the f--- up.

You f---ed Thomas. Hello?
- I did not.

That's your lie.
- Yes, you did.

- Landon, you were outspoken
about the fact

that Kathryn uses her children
to manipulate Thomas.

- I still think that.

- Don't touch that subject.

- That's the truth,
Kathryn.

- You don't talk
about my daughter ever!

- I didn't say--
- That night, nothing.

- I didn't talk about--

- You don't touch
that night ever.

- For more "Southern Charm,"
go to bravo.com.

[bell dings]