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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:33,481 --> 00:00:39,936 ♪ 2 00:00:39,970 --> 00:00:44,734 ♪ All we do is hide away 3 00:00:44,768 --> 00:00:48,255 ♪ All we do is, all we do is hide away ♪ 4 00:00:48,289 --> 00:00:51,982 ♪ All we do is lie in wait 5 00:00:52,017 --> 00:00:56,125 ♪ All we do is, all we do is lie in wait ♪ 6 00:00:56,159 --> 00:00:59,197 ♪ I've been upside down 7 00:00:59,231 --> 00:01:02,924 ♪ I don't wanna be the right way round ♪ 8 00:01:02,959 --> 00:01:07,308 ♪ Can't find paradise on the ground ♪ 9 00:01:08,654 --> 00:01:12,934 ♪ 10 00:01:18,285 --> 00:01:20,356 [sirens wailing]Over here! 11 00:01:20,977 --> 00:01:22,737 [panting, radio chatter] 12 00:01:22,772 --> 00:01:24,498 [sirens wailing] 13 00:01:27,259 --> 00:01:29,848 Well, we all mess up, we're all fallible, 14 00:01:29,882 --> 00:01:32,299 we've all done things in which we are ashamed. 15 00:01:32,333 --> 00:01:34,853 The trick in life, I think, 16 00:01:34,887 --> 00:01:37,787 is knowing which things we should forgive ourselves for, 17 00:01:37,821 --> 00:01:38,753 and which not. 18 00:01:38,788 --> 00:01:41,825 Except I'm not sure it really is that. 19 00:01:41,860 --> 00:01:43,689 OFFICER: Suspect is a white male, mid-40s, 20 00:01:43,724 --> 00:01:46,278 he's wearing a navy top and a grey baseball cap, 21 00:01:46,313 --> 00:01:48,246 he was last seen walking towards Burley Road, 22 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:50,627 and the witness here said he had a knife in his hand, over. 23 00:01:50,662 --> 00:01:53,837 I think a part of me wonders if I'm just coming 24 00:01:53,872 --> 00:01:55,977 to a natural conclusion here. 25 00:01:56,012 --> 00:01:59,188 I've been doing this for... 28 years. 26 00:02:01,121 --> 00:02:03,088 There are other things to do in life. 27 00:02:03,123 --> 00:02:05,090 [soft chuckle] 28 00:02:05,125 --> 00:02:06,195 Not like this. 29 00:02:06,229 --> 00:02:08,921 So why did you retire? 30 00:02:08,956 --> 00:02:10,095 I didn't retire, 31 00:02:10,130 --> 00:02:11,821 I was A-19ed. 32 00:02:11,855 --> 00:02:12,994 In the cutbacks. 33 00:02:13,029 --> 00:02:14,617 Ah...The truth is, 34 00:02:14,651 --> 00:02:17,171 what I did, what you still do, 35 00:02:17,206 --> 00:02:18,138 when you lose it, 36 00:02:18,172 --> 00:02:19,656 you realize what a privilege it was. 37 00:02:19,691 --> 00:02:20,830 Hm... 38 00:02:20,864 --> 00:02:22,176 To be able to help people, 39 00:02:22,211 --> 00:02:24,282 often at the very worst moment of their lives, 40 00:02:24,316 --> 00:02:27,492 find faith in the world again. 41 00:02:27,526 --> 00:02:28,734 Because I genuinely believe 42 00:02:28,769 --> 00:02:30,633 that's a big part of what we do-- 43 00:02:30,667 --> 00:02:33,187 restore a little shape, a little order, 44 00:02:33,222 --> 00:02:34,982 a little meaning to the world. 45 00:02:35,016 --> 00:02:36,501 I mean, not so much 46 00:02:36,535 --> 00:02:38,365 on traffic duty but... 47 00:02:38,399 --> 00:02:40,470 [laughs] 48 00:02:44,750 --> 00:02:46,511 And obviously Naked Gun. 49 00:02:46,545 --> 00:02:48,409 Obviously Naked Gun.[chuckles] 50 00:02:48,444 --> 00:02:49,755 And Midnight Run? 51 00:02:49,790 --> 00:02:51,792 Oh man, Midnight Run, yeah, definitely. 52 00:02:51,826 --> 00:02:53,414 And Fargo probably on there. 53 00:02:53,449 --> 00:02:54,450 [American accent]: "You're darn tootin'." 54 00:02:54,484 --> 00:02:55,727 [American accent]: "Okay, hun." 55 00:02:55,761 --> 00:02:56,866 [laughing] 56 00:02:56,900 --> 00:02:58,143 DOCTOR: Oxygen's at a 100, 57 00:02:58,178 --> 00:02:59,248 but his BP and SATS are very low now. 58 00:02:59,282 --> 00:03:02,251 Get me four units of red cells... 59 00:03:03,217 --> 00:03:06,186 Well, that was a great evening, thank you. 60 00:03:07,117 --> 00:03:10,190 I'd very like to do it again some time. 61 00:03:10,224 --> 00:03:11,846 Yeah, me too. 62 00:03:13,020 --> 00:03:14,159 This is me. 63 00:03:18,888 --> 00:03:20,855 [laughing] 64 00:03:22,650 --> 00:03:24,031 Well, anyway... 65 00:03:24,065 --> 00:03:25,377 Good night then. 66 00:03:30,106 --> 00:03:31,211 Good night. 67 00:03:32,108 --> 00:03:35,732 [keys jingling] 68 00:03:35,767 --> 00:03:37,734 [phone ringing, vibrating] 69 00:03:37,769 --> 00:03:40,254 Yes, it went very well, and, no, I didn't snog him. 70 00:03:40,289 --> 00:03:42,774 Right, sorry, boss, that's not what I was ringing about. 71 00:03:42,808 --> 00:03:44,431 What? 72 00:03:44,465 --> 00:03:46,950 Pete Carr, he's been attacked outside his office. 73 00:03:46,985 --> 00:03:48,262 Stabbed. 74 00:03:48,297 --> 00:03:49,436 Oh no... 75 00:03:51,023 --> 00:03:53,198 But they say he's gonna be okay but... 76 00:03:53,716 --> 00:03:55,235 No! No! 77 00:03:55,269 --> 00:03:57,375 [sighs] 78 00:03:57,409 --> 00:04:02,103 [machinery beeping] 79 00:04:02,138 --> 00:04:04,313 ♪ 80 00:04:04,347 --> 00:04:08,317 [beeping continues] 81 00:04:09,870 --> 00:04:12,079 He still had the knife on him when they nicked him. 82 00:04:12,113 --> 00:04:13,322 Who was he? 83 00:04:13,356 --> 00:04:15,496 Some local nut job, links to far right groups, 84 00:04:15,531 --> 00:04:18,499 got geed up by all the online pedophile stuff. 85 00:04:18,534 --> 00:04:20,639 So we go after all those... fuckers. 86 00:04:20,674 --> 00:04:22,020 Absolutely. 87 00:04:24,919 --> 00:04:31,098 ♪ 88 00:04:33,342 --> 00:04:34,722 She's exaggerating. 89 00:04:34,757 --> 00:04:37,311 Tim and I were out for about 45 minutes, 90 00:04:37,346 --> 00:04:39,175 and Pete just went down the pub.And Chris Lowe? 91 00:04:39,209 --> 00:04:41,971 I don't know where Chris went, you'd have to ask him. 92 00:04:42,005 --> 00:04:44,560 But you accept you were all out of the house, 93 00:04:44,594 --> 00:04:46,286 at various points between 94 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:47,563 9:00 p.m. and midnight. 95 00:04:47,597 --> 00:04:49,634 Yes.So why did you lie? 96 00:04:49,668 --> 00:04:51,981 I would have thought that had become blindingly obvious. 97 00:04:52,015 --> 00:04:53,569 I thought there was a very good chance 98 00:04:53,603 --> 00:04:55,156 anything I told you would be leaked. 99 00:04:55,191 --> 00:04:56,399 And given that my best friend 100 00:04:56,434 --> 00:04:57,883 is now in an intensive care unit 101 00:04:57,918 --> 00:04:59,540 entirely because of you, 102 00:04:59,575 --> 00:05:02,025 I think I had pretty good reason to be nervous. 103 00:05:05,374 --> 00:05:07,721 Can we move on to your car, Mr. Hollis? 104 00:05:07,755 --> 00:05:08,860 Which in fact 105 00:05:08,894 --> 00:05:10,240 matches exactly the description of a car 106 00:05:10,275 --> 00:05:11,483 that was seen driving 107 00:05:11,518 --> 00:05:14,590 erratically at approximately 12:20 a.m. 108 00:05:14,624 --> 00:05:16,833 on the morning that Hayley went missing. 109 00:05:16,868 --> 00:05:18,248 And how many dark saloons 110 00:05:18,283 --> 00:05:21,286 with trailer bars would there be in a holiday area? 111 00:05:21,321 --> 00:05:22,563 We didn't ask for your opinion, Miss Cray. 112 00:05:22,598 --> 00:05:23,633 JAMES: Though she's right. 113 00:05:23,668 --> 00:05:26,187 But I suspect even my ex-wife will confirm 114 00:05:26,222 --> 00:05:28,707 that I was in the house, in bed, at 12:20 a.m. 115 00:05:28,742 --> 00:05:29,915 [papers rustling] 116 00:05:35,024 --> 00:05:36,543 How old was your son 117 00:05:36,577 --> 00:05:39,753 that New Year's Eve, James? 118 00:05:40,857 --> 00:05:42,411 How old was Eliot? 119 00:05:44,413 --> 00:05:45,690 Fifteen. 120 00:05:47,416 --> 00:05:50,971 Actually only a few weeks off 16 I believe, and, sadly, 121 00:05:51,005 --> 00:05:54,112 quite a troubled young man it seems. 122 00:05:54,146 --> 00:05:55,907 Already arrested 123 00:05:55,941 --> 00:05:59,462 twice for possession of cannabis, once for ecstasy, 124 00:05:59,497 --> 00:06:03,052 and just one month before New Year's Eve 1999, 125 00:06:03,086 --> 00:06:06,089 for stealing his dad's car and driving it, whilst drunk. 126 00:06:06,124 --> 00:06:08,471 Which is why I have to ask you, James, 127 00:06:08,506 --> 00:06:12,441 did Eliot take your car that night? 128 00:06:12,648 --> 00:06:13,752 No. 129 00:06:13,787 --> 00:06:15,961 Maybe he came across Hayley, 130 00:06:15,996 --> 00:06:18,964 maybe hitchhiking somewhere, picked her up, 131 00:06:18,999 --> 00:06:22,312 something happened between them, something went wrong. 132 00:06:22,347 --> 00:06:24,453 Eliot's never hurt a fly. 133 00:06:24,487 --> 00:06:25,730 SUNNY: Maybe it was an accident, 134 00:06:25,764 --> 00:06:27,870 the car was seen to be driving erratically, 135 00:06:27,904 --> 00:06:30,010 maybe he was drunk, maybe he knocked her down-- 136 00:06:30,044 --> 00:06:31,218 it was a dark, wet night. 137 00:06:31,252 --> 00:06:32,495 But in either instance, 138 00:06:32,530 --> 00:06:35,809 you found out, and agreed to drive the body 139 00:06:35,843 --> 00:06:36,948 back up to London 140 00:06:36,982 --> 00:06:39,226 to obscure your son's involvement. 141 00:06:39,260 --> 00:06:41,987 The idea that I would drive the dead body of a young girl 142 00:06:42,022 --> 00:06:43,955 my son had killed to London 143 00:06:43,989 --> 00:06:49,236 is as absurd as it is abhorrent. 144 00:06:49,270 --> 00:06:52,273 Well, then, can we ask you why, when we first interviewed you, 145 00:06:52,308 --> 00:06:54,793 you referred to your son as a little boy. 146 00:06:56,105 --> 00:06:57,417 A turn of phrase. 147 00:06:57,451 --> 00:06:58,383 Really? 148 00:06:58,418 --> 00:07:00,489 We think it was deliberate. 149 00:07:00,523 --> 00:07:02,905 We think that you didn't want us to even consider the idea 150 00:07:02,939 --> 00:07:04,320 that there was effectively another adult 151 00:07:04,354 --> 00:07:05,459 in the house that night. 152 00:07:05,494 --> 00:07:06,874 CRAY: And I think I don't want 153 00:07:06,909 --> 00:07:09,359 my client answering anymore questions about his son, 154 00:07:09,394 --> 00:07:11,500 so unless you have any actual evidence, 155 00:07:11,534 --> 00:07:13,191 rather than shot-in-the-dark theories, 156 00:07:13,225 --> 00:07:15,331 I think we're done here. 157 00:07:15,365 --> 00:07:16,643 [paper rustling] 158 00:07:16,677 --> 00:07:17,471 Okay. 159 00:07:17,506 --> 00:07:20,370 [indistinct conversation] 160 00:07:20,405 --> 00:07:23,512 ♪ 161 00:07:23,546 --> 00:07:25,099 Jamie... 162 00:07:25,134 --> 00:07:27,861 We spoke to Maria-- 163 00:07:27,895 --> 00:07:31,934 Pete's conscious and talking, so... 164 00:07:31,968 --> 00:07:33,453 Stay strong, fella, stay strong. 165 00:07:33,487 --> 00:07:35,558 Yeah, you too. 166 00:07:38,458 --> 00:07:42,427 It was stupid, and I apologize, 167 00:07:42,462 --> 00:07:43,946 a case of misguided loyalty. 168 00:07:43,980 --> 00:07:46,224 Misguided loyalty to whom? 169 00:07:47,294 --> 00:07:48,433 Jamie. 170 00:07:48,468 --> 00:07:49,572 He rang us all 171 00:07:49,607 --> 00:07:52,368 after he'd first been interviewed by you 172 00:07:52,402 --> 00:07:58,236 and he said he told you that we all stayed in that night. 173 00:07:58,270 --> 00:08:00,272 The inference I took was that 174 00:08:00,307 --> 00:08:01,584 we should all say the same. 175 00:08:01,619 --> 00:08:03,621 Why do you think he wanted you to lie? 176 00:08:04,898 --> 00:08:07,348 Well, at first I thought it was because of his profile, 177 00:08:07,383 --> 00:08:10,524 that he didn't want the press latching on to him, 178 00:08:10,559 --> 00:08:12,492 and, yeah, I was happy to go along with that because 179 00:08:12,526 --> 00:08:17,669 I didn't for a nanosecond believe there was any... 180 00:08:17,704 --> 00:08:19,982 darker motive. 181 00:08:21,017 --> 00:08:24,158 Except then, yesterday, Pete rang me, 182 00:08:24,193 --> 00:08:26,851 Pete Carr, 183 00:08:26,885 --> 00:08:30,061 and he told me something about Jamie's son. 184 00:08:30,095 --> 00:08:31,372 Told you what? 185 00:08:32,581 --> 00:08:36,343 He said he'd seen Eliot climbing into the house, 186 00:08:36,377 --> 00:08:38,241 through a first floor window, 187 00:08:38,276 --> 00:08:41,451 at around 2:00 in the morning on New Year's Day. 188 00:08:41,486 --> 00:08:46,940 ♪ 189 00:08:48,148 --> 00:08:49,390 CASSIE: Okay, so... 190 00:08:49,425 --> 00:08:50,978 where are we with Eliot Hollis? 191 00:08:51,013 --> 00:08:54,257 Still looking for him, but for what it's worth, 192 00:08:54,292 --> 00:08:56,018 I just pulled this 193 00:08:56,052 --> 00:08:57,433 off an online employment site, 194 00:08:57,467 --> 00:08:58,641 which he signed up to in 2007, 195 00:08:58,676 --> 00:09:00,022 when he was living in the States with his dad. 196 00:09:00,056 --> 00:09:01,161 It details holiday work 197 00:09:01,195 --> 00:09:03,577 on a building site in the U.K., so... 198 00:09:03,612 --> 00:09:05,475 Okay. 199 00:09:05,510 --> 00:09:07,581 Let's check James Hollis's car, 200 00:09:07,616 --> 00:09:09,687 the BMW, I want to see its service history, 201 00:09:09,721 --> 00:09:10,619 maybe speak to the ex again, 202 00:09:10,653 --> 00:09:12,172 check both their bank statements, 203 00:09:12,206 --> 00:09:13,587 insurance companies, 204 00:09:13,622 --> 00:09:15,589 I want to know if the car had any body work repairs done 205 00:09:15,624 --> 00:09:18,419 in the months immediately after Hayley died. 206 00:09:18,454 --> 00:09:21,561 [machines beeping] 207 00:09:22,631 --> 00:09:25,737 I just I want to say I'm sorry, Pete. 208 00:09:25,772 --> 00:09:30,052 I was angry and shocked and... 209 00:09:30,086 --> 00:09:33,987 I also know, in my heart, you're a good man. 210 00:09:34,021 --> 00:09:37,887 Yeah, you've done some silly things, we both know that. 211 00:09:39,786 --> 00:09:41,546 You're a good man, 212 00:09:41,581 --> 00:09:45,619 and I want you to hear that I know that. 213 00:09:47,517 --> 00:09:51,452 Basically I think Hayley used a sort of code 214 00:09:51,487 --> 00:09:53,006 in her diary. 215 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:54,455 I'm guessing for if her mum read it 216 00:09:54,490 --> 00:09:56,837 so she wouldn't know what she was referring to. 217 00:09:56,872 --> 00:10:01,980 So, first up when she has sex, I think she calls it "tea," 218 00:10:02,015 --> 00:10:03,913 and then-- and I think this is actually more important-- 219 00:10:03,948 --> 00:10:05,535 when she says 220 00:10:05,570 --> 00:10:07,710 she had "some cake," I think she's saying she took drugs. 221 00:10:07,745 --> 00:10:09,988 So this is just a small selection 222 00:10:10,023 --> 00:10:11,265 of the times these words appear, 223 00:10:11,300 --> 00:10:13,060 but you can see a really clear pattern. 224 00:10:13,095 --> 00:10:14,337 "...some great cake at Marly's, 225 00:10:14,372 --> 00:10:15,684 then went shopping, a very nice trip!" 226 00:10:15,718 --> 00:10:17,547 "Went clubbing in Portsmouth, 227 00:10:17,582 --> 00:10:19,032 ate cake, up till six." 228 00:10:19,066 --> 00:10:21,862 "Had tea and cake with Ade, his birthday present to me, 229 00:10:21,897 --> 00:10:23,795 just what I always wanted!" 230 00:10:23,830 --> 00:10:26,280 And the reason I think this is significant 231 00:10:26,315 --> 00:10:27,765 is this reference here. 232 00:10:27,799 --> 00:10:29,836 This is dated two days 233 00:10:29,870 --> 00:10:31,182 before she disappeared, 234 00:10:31,216 --> 00:10:32,666 and here she says, 235 00:10:32,701 --> 00:10:35,531 "G's gonna get us some cake 236 00:10:35,565 --> 00:10:37,050 for the new year party." 237 00:10:37,084 --> 00:10:38,672 I think this is why 238 00:10:38,707 --> 00:10:39,915 she left work early. 239 00:10:39,949 --> 00:10:41,744 I think "G's" is where she was going. 240 00:10:41,779 --> 00:10:44,609 A dealer maybe, or a friend who 241 00:10:44,644 --> 00:10:48,095 was selling her some gear. 242 00:10:48,130 --> 00:10:50,235 I mean, it might explain how she could have been 243 00:10:50,270 --> 00:10:51,996 in the vicinity of the Spinney, 244 00:10:52,030 --> 00:10:53,238 which from the pub, 245 00:10:53,273 --> 00:10:54,792 is in the opposite direction to the party. 246 00:10:56,656 --> 00:10:57,967 Nice work, Fran. 247 00:10:58,934 --> 00:11:00,245 CASSIE: Okay, can we liaise 248 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:02,696 with Hampshire police on local drug dealers-- 249 00:11:02,731 --> 00:11:04,594 then and now? 250 00:11:04,629 --> 00:11:06,596 But really good work, Fran. 251 00:11:06,631 --> 00:11:08,184 [sighs] 252 00:11:08,219 --> 00:11:09,358 Thanks, guys. 253 00:11:09,392 --> 00:11:10,704 Shall we? 254 00:11:12,154 --> 00:11:14,535 Mila, hi, it's me. 255 00:11:14,570 --> 00:11:18,712 I'm, I'm sorry I haven't rung before but I just needed 256 00:11:18,747 --> 00:11:21,819 some time on my own to think things through. 257 00:11:21,853 --> 00:11:24,787 And I wanted to say... 258 00:11:24,822 --> 00:11:29,861 don't believe what you might hear about me from the police. 259 00:11:29,896 --> 00:11:32,346 I'm not a bad man; I've made some mistakes, 260 00:11:32,381 --> 00:11:34,210 but I'm not a bad man. 261 00:11:36,765 --> 00:11:38,007 [sighs] 262 00:11:38,042 --> 00:11:39,733 [taps phone] 263 00:11:39,768 --> 00:11:41,217 [sniffs] 264 00:11:41,252 --> 00:11:44,634 [removes key] 265 00:11:44,669 --> 00:11:45,981 [siren wailing] 266 00:11:50,882 --> 00:11:54,230 So, why did you lie, Christopher? 267 00:11:54,265 --> 00:11:55,922 I lied... 268 00:11:55,956 --> 00:11:57,509 because from the moment Hayley Reid went missing, 269 00:11:57,544 --> 00:11:58,994 I've sort of believed that at some point, 270 00:11:59,028 --> 00:12:03,653 somebody would knock on my door wanting to blame me. 271 00:12:03,688 --> 00:12:06,587 Which I believed for a number of reasons, 272 00:12:06,622 --> 00:12:09,556 none of which include me having anything to do with her death. 273 00:12:09,590 --> 00:12:12,145 Um... 274 00:12:12,179 --> 00:12:15,631 in late December 1999, 275 00:12:15,665 --> 00:12:17,978 I was in a bad way, mentally. 276 00:12:18,013 --> 00:12:20,118 I was in the manic phase, I know now, 277 00:12:20,153 --> 00:12:23,812 of a bipolar episode, exacerbated by overwork, 278 00:12:23,846 --> 00:12:31,164 and by a personal event that had profoundly traumatized me. 279 00:12:31,198 --> 00:12:34,201 And on New Year's Eve, in addition to me 280 00:12:34,236 --> 00:12:37,618 idiotically taking some cocaine, it overwhelmed me. 281 00:12:37,653 --> 00:12:40,104 And I became very unwell, I think. 282 00:12:40,138 --> 00:12:43,590 I ended up, well, leaving the house, 283 00:12:43,624 --> 00:12:46,110 and just, just walking, uh... 284 00:12:46,144 --> 00:12:48,940 I don't know where, for a couple of hours. 285 00:12:49,976 --> 00:12:51,184 And then, finally, 286 00:12:51,218 --> 00:12:52,702 well, when I returned, I was exhausted 287 00:12:52,737 --> 00:12:56,051 and I fell asleep almost immediately and the next day, 288 00:12:56,085 --> 00:12:59,675 news started to filter through about this, 289 00:12:59,709 --> 00:13:00,814 this missing local girl. 290 00:13:00,849 --> 00:13:02,333 And, uh... 291 00:13:02,367 --> 00:13:05,957 because of this personal thing that had happened, 292 00:13:05,992 --> 00:13:07,787 and I suppose, to a degree, 293 00:13:07,821 --> 00:13:12,274 because of my poor mental health, I became obsessed 294 00:13:12,308 --> 00:13:13,551 that the police would come for me, 295 00:13:13,585 --> 00:13:15,656 that a knock on the door was imminent. 296 00:13:15,691 --> 00:13:18,245 But it, it, it didn't actually come. 297 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:20,075 Not that day, not the next, not the day after, 298 00:13:20,109 --> 00:13:21,214 it didn't come. 299 00:13:21,248 --> 00:13:26,012 But I never stopped waiting for it. 300 00:13:26,046 --> 00:13:27,358 So when you finally showed up, DCI Stuart, 301 00:13:27,392 --> 00:13:28,877 in my head I went straight back 302 00:13:28,911 --> 00:13:30,499 to those first few days after Hayley Reid went missing. 303 00:13:30,533 --> 00:13:33,467 I felt the same fear, the same all-consuming panic. 304 00:13:33,502 --> 00:13:34,848 And, yeah, I lied. 305 00:13:34,883 --> 00:13:38,645 I lied about, about, about where I was that night. 306 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:40,578 But that is all that I lied about, 307 00:13:40,612 --> 00:13:43,788 because I swear I, I didn't hurt Hayley Reid, 308 00:13:43,823 --> 00:13:46,101 I never even met her. 309 00:13:46,135 --> 00:13:47,723 And this event that 310 00:13:47,757 --> 00:13:51,278 fed in to your paranoia... 311 00:13:51,313 --> 00:13:52,693 what was that? 312 00:13:52,728 --> 00:13:56,456 Yeah, so on October the 12th, 1999, 313 00:13:56,490 --> 00:13:58,838 I was arrested for credit card payments 314 00:13:58,872 --> 00:14:01,875 to online child sex abuse sites. 315 00:14:01,910 --> 00:14:04,602 Well, the card was a business one, 316 00:14:04,636 --> 00:14:06,190 which meant that I was arrested at the office, 317 00:14:06,224 --> 00:14:09,262 and the police told my business partner Helen 318 00:14:09,296 --> 00:14:12,506 because I sometimes visited commercial shoots 319 00:14:12,541 --> 00:14:13,853 involving children. 320 00:14:15,716 --> 00:14:17,235 She then told the board, 321 00:14:17,270 --> 00:14:21,067 and in January 2000, she told my wife. 322 00:14:21,101 --> 00:14:23,207 Two months later, when I was charged, 323 00:14:23,241 --> 00:14:25,105 the board sacked me 324 00:14:25,140 --> 00:14:26,831 and my wife filed for divorce. 325 00:14:26,866 --> 00:14:31,215 So within four months of my arrest, 326 00:14:31,249 --> 00:14:33,527 yeah, I lost... 327 00:14:33,562 --> 00:14:35,322 I lost everything. 328 00:14:36,323 --> 00:14:38,153 Everything I loved-- 329 00:14:39,464 --> 00:14:43,572 my wife Laura and my career. 330 00:14:43,606 --> 00:14:45,194 [voice breaking]: And my beau... 331 00:14:48,439 --> 00:14:50,820 My beautiful daughter. 332 00:14:52,684 --> 00:14:53,927 Yeah. 333 00:14:53,962 --> 00:14:55,239 [clears throat] 334 00:14:55,273 --> 00:14:58,863 Yeah, my life just pretty much collapsed. 335 00:14:58,898 --> 00:15:00,969 But here's the thing. 336 00:15:01,003 --> 00:15:03,833 It wasn't me. 337 00:15:03,868 --> 00:15:06,284 The credit card payments, I, I didn't make them. 338 00:15:07,768 --> 00:15:09,115 My life had been ruined 339 00:15:09,149 --> 00:15:12,601 and I was completely, 100% innocent. 340 00:15:12,635 --> 00:15:15,880 ♪ 341 00:15:17,951 --> 00:15:19,953 And do you happen to remember who packed the trailer? 342 00:15:19,988 --> 00:15:21,921 Jesus, you don't think... 343 00:15:21,955 --> 00:15:23,405 Do you? 344 00:15:25,062 --> 00:15:26,891 I always used to pack the bags, 345 00:15:26,926 --> 00:15:30,446 and James always used to put them in the trailer. 346 00:15:31,965 --> 00:15:33,346 Okay, and your car, a BMW 3 series, 347 00:15:33,380 --> 00:15:35,382 I believe.Yeah. 348 00:15:35,417 --> 00:15:37,764 Do you recall if it sustained any damage over that break? 349 00:15:38,489 --> 00:15:39,939 You think it was a car accident? 350 00:15:39,973 --> 00:15:41,181 Do you? 351 00:15:41,216 --> 00:15:46,566 ♪ 352 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:47,947 [soft sigh] 353 00:15:52,606 --> 00:15:54,746 Mrs. Hollis? 354 00:15:54,781 --> 00:15:56,990 He said he'd hit a deer. 355 00:15:57,025 --> 00:15:59,130 Your husband? 356 00:15:59,165 --> 00:16:01,512 Yes, my husband, who else? 357 00:16:01,546 --> 00:16:03,963 I wonder if you could take a look at these photos, 358 00:16:03,997 --> 00:16:05,861 and this floor plan for me. 359 00:16:06,689 --> 00:16:09,969 [papers rustling] 360 00:16:10,003 --> 00:16:11,280 And tell me if you can remember 361 00:16:11,315 --> 00:16:13,903 which bedroom you and your husband slept in, 362 00:16:13,938 --> 00:16:16,872 which bedroom your friends slept in, 363 00:16:16,906 --> 00:16:18,494 and which your son? 364 00:16:18,529 --> 00:16:19,702 ♪ 365 00:16:19,737 --> 00:16:21,049 [quietly]: No... 366 00:16:23,741 --> 00:16:27,020 My card details, and in fact those of hundreds 367 00:16:27,055 --> 00:16:29,436 of other completely innocent people, were cloned. 368 00:16:29,471 --> 00:16:31,024 Of course I protested 369 00:16:31,059 --> 00:16:34,131 my innocence, vehemently, I told them this... this is crazy, 370 00:16:34,165 --> 00:16:36,996 I'd never visited these sites, it's absurd, 371 00:16:37,030 --> 00:16:39,274 it's a, it's a mistake. 372 00:16:39,308 --> 00:16:41,552 But I was charged. 373 00:16:41,586 --> 00:16:43,933 [laughing wryly]: And then... 374 00:16:43,968 --> 00:16:48,628 then suddenly I was living alone in a depressing flat in Acton, 375 00:16:48,662 --> 00:16:52,494 and my trial date had not been set. 376 00:16:52,528 --> 00:16:55,945 I managed to salvage some money from my separation, 377 00:16:55,980 --> 00:16:58,845 and I found a lawyer, and we hired a team of investigators 378 00:16:58,879 --> 00:17:00,157 to prove that the sites paid for 379 00:17:00,191 --> 00:17:01,399 were never actually visited, 380 00:17:01,434 --> 00:17:04,023 they proved that when the payments were made, 381 00:17:04,057 --> 00:17:06,922 allegedly from my work computer, I was abroad. 382 00:17:06,956 --> 00:17:10,167 And so in 2003 finally the charges were dropped, 383 00:17:10,201 --> 00:17:13,791 and I was granted a record deletion application 384 00:17:13,825 --> 00:17:16,518 in 2004. 385 00:17:16,552 --> 00:17:18,106 By this time Laura had remarried, 386 00:17:18,140 --> 00:17:20,418 and I hadn't seen her or been allowed to see my daughter 387 00:17:20,453 --> 00:17:21,592 for three years. 388 00:17:21,626 --> 00:17:24,940 I was living in shelters or on the streets 389 00:17:24,974 --> 00:17:28,392 without access to the medication I needed. 390 00:17:29,876 --> 00:17:33,052 [laughing]: The idea of just turning up and persuading them 391 00:17:33,086 --> 00:17:35,123 that I hadn't somehow bought my innocence... 392 00:17:35,157 --> 00:17:38,091 [laughs, sniffs] 393 00:17:38,126 --> 00:17:41,405 Yeah, that was beyond me. 394 00:17:41,439 --> 00:17:44,684 So I had to try and begin to accept what had happened to me, 395 00:17:44,718 --> 00:17:46,099 this awful injustice, 396 00:17:46,134 --> 00:17:51,553 this, this catastrophic unfairness, to try, to try 397 00:17:51,587 --> 00:17:53,796 and rebuild a life. 398 00:17:53,831 --> 00:17:56,144 You know, which sounds simpler 399 00:17:56,178 --> 00:17:58,215 than it actually was, because I was homeless, 400 00:17:58,249 --> 00:18:00,596 in and out of temporary accommodation for six more years 401 00:18:00,631 --> 00:18:02,909 [voice breaking]: before my... 402 00:18:04,911 --> 00:18:06,050 ...before Tim... 403 00:18:06,085 --> 00:18:07,845 [sniffs] 404 00:18:07,879 --> 00:18:12,056 ...my friend Tim, he finally tracked me down. 405 00:18:12,091 --> 00:18:14,955 And he bought me my first van in 2010, 406 00:18:14,990 --> 00:18:17,096 and I began to live again, rather than just exist. 407 00:18:17,130 --> 00:18:19,305 And then one week ago, you turn up. 408 00:18:19,339 --> 00:18:20,513 And you ask a man 409 00:18:20,547 --> 00:18:22,549 who has lost everything through, 410 00:18:22,584 --> 00:18:24,724 well, just simple bad luck, 411 00:18:24,758 --> 00:18:28,141 just someone, someone who knows, who knows what can happen 412 00:18:28,176 --> 00:18:30,523 and you ask him where he was that night. 413 00:18:33,940 --> 00:18:37,116 Yeah, so, that's why I lied. 414 00:18:37,150 --> 00:18:38,634 That... 415 00:18:38,669 --> 00:18:41,430 That... 416 00:18:41,465 --> 00:18:45,158 MURRAY: James Hollis's ex remembers the son slept in a box room. 417 00:18:45,193 --> 00:18:48,886 The only box room in the house has a window 418 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:50,508 that gives out onto a flat roof. 419 00:18:50,543 --> 00:18:52,234 JAKE: Which supports Tim Finch's claim 420 00:18:52,269 --> 00:18:53,822 that Pete Carr saw him climbing in at 2:00 a.m. 421 00:18:53,856 --> 00:18:55,755 Exactly. 422 00:18:55,789 --> 00:18:58,378 Yeah...[phone ringing] 423 00:18:58,413 --> 00:18:59,379 Jake Collier. 424 00:18:59,414 --> 00:19:00,967 [man speaking on phone indistinctly] 425 00:19:01,001 --> 00:19:02,486 Yes, she's in an interview at the moment, 426 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:04,522 can I pass on a message? 427 00:19:04,557 --> 00:19:07,146 [cars driving past] 428 00:19:08,630 --> 00:19:10,183 Hello, is it Maria? 429 00:19:10,218 --> 00:19:11,564 [sniffs] 430 00:19:11,598 --> 00:19:14,636 Yeah, sorry, I was just having a quick nap. 431 00:19:14,670 --> 00:19:16,983 I'm Dr. Walsh, I'm one of the doctors 432 00:19:17,017 --> 00:19:18,191 who's been looking after Peter. 433 00:19:18,226 --> 00:19:21,194 Oh, right, yes, how's he doing? 434 00:19:30,030 --> 00:19:31,170 Shit. 435 00:19:31,204 --> 00:19:32,309 [sighs] 436 00:19:32,343 --> 00:19:34,069 Do you believe him? 437 00:19:34,103 --> 00:19:35,312 I don't know. 438 00:19:35,346 --> 00:19:37,866 Maybe. 439 00:19:37,900 --> 00:19:39,350 You speak to the legal firm, 440 00:19:39,385 --> 00:19:41,697 I'll try and track down the unit that investigated him. 441 00:19:41,732 --> 00:19:43,216 Okay. 442 00:19:43,251 --> 00:19:44,321 [knocking]Guv... 443 00:19:44,355 --> 00:19:45,943 King's Lynn nick just rang. 444 00:19:45,977 --> 00:19:47,772 Peter Carr's died. 445 00:19:47,807 --> 00:19:50,050 Heart attack. 446 00:19:50,085 --> 00:19:52,087 ♪ 447 00:19:52,121 --> 00:19:57,092 [sobbing] 448 00:19:59,922 --> 00:20:03,754 [exhaling] 449 00:20:05,100 --> 00:20:11,348 ♪ 450 00:20:11,382 --> 00:20:13,281 [phone calling out] 451 00:20:13,315 --> 00:20:16,801 VOICEMAIL [on phone]: Please leave your message after the tone. 452 00:20:16,836 --> 00:20:21,012 Mrs. Carr, it's DCI Cassie Stuart. 453 00:20:21,047 --> 00:20:24,119 I just wanted to ring and say how... 454 00:20:26,949 --> 00:20:31,091 desperately sad I was 455 00:20:31,126 --> 00:20:33,266 to hear about your husband's death. 456 00:20:33,301 --> 00:20:35,510 ♪ 457 00:20:38,754 --> 00:20:40,722 DCI Stuart, have you got anything to say? 458 00:20:40,756 --> 00:20:43,552 [camera shutters clicking] 459 00:20:43,587 --> 00:20:45,658 What will you say to his family? 460 00:20:45,692 --> 00:20:49,420 FEMALE REPORTER: Do you blame yourself, DCI Stuart? 461 00:20:49,455 --> 00:20:51,560 And as his wife comforts 462 00:20:51,595 --> 00:20:53,355 their two young sons tonight, 463 00:20:53,390 --> 00:20:55,599 I think the death of Mr. Carr 464 00:20:55,633 --> 00:20:58,636 raises a number of important questions. 465 00:20:58,671 --> 00:21:01,777 Firstly, what new laws, if any, do we need, 466 00:21:01,812 --> 00:21:03,296 in order to better restrict 467 00:21:03,331 --> 00:21:05,885 the sorts of hateful social media campaign 468 00:21:05,919 --> 00:21:10,027 that undoubtedly contributed towards his murder? 469 00:21:10,061 --> 00:21:11,684 And, secondly, I think we need to ask 470 00:21:11,718 --> 00:21:13,858 how problematic it is 471 00:21:13,893 --> 00:21:17,897 that such major criminal investigations as this one, 472 00:21:17,931 --> 00:21:20,693 are increasingly being held...[phone ringing] 473 00:21:20,727 --> 00:21:22,936 under such a public gaze. 474 00:21:22,971 --> 00:21:25,801 With police so far refusing to confirm 475 00:21:25,836 --> 00:21:29,288 REPORTER [via radio]: whether Peter Carr remained a suspect, 476 00:21:29,322 --> 00:21:31,324 the parents of Hayley Reid 477 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:34,534 must be asking themselves the most painful question: 478 00:21:34,569 --> 00:21:37,088 has the killer of their beloved daughter 479 00:21:37,123 --> 00:21:39,228 taken the secret 480 00:21:39,263 --> 00:21:41,783 of her final moments to his grave? 481 00:21:43,094 --> 00:21:45,476 This is Rohit Kachroo, outside Bishop. 482 00:21:46,512 --> 00:21:47,720 [door opens] 483 00:21:47,754 --> 00:21:49,549 [door closes, footsteps approaching] 484 00:21:49,584 --> 00:21:50,930 Hey. 485 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:53,691 I just went out to grab a bag, 486 00:21:53,726 --> 00:21:55,866 I didn't forget to turn it off. 487 00:21:57,454 --> 00:21:58,627 Dad... 488 00:21:58,662 --> 00:22:00,284 I just wanted to say, that, you know, 489 00:22:00,319 --> 00:22:04,944 I've been thinking about what we were discussing the other day. 490 00:22:04,978 --> 00:22:09,466 And I am genuinely sorry about what you're going through. 491 00:22:09,500 --> 00:22:10,605 I'm fine. 492 00:22:10,639 --> 00:22:11,778 The problems at work 493 00:22:11,813 --> 00:22:13,159 or whatever it is personally. 494 00:22:13,193 --> 00:22:16,024 My personal life's fine too. 495 00:22:16,058 --> 00:22:18,751 And, of course, I'll always be there, you know, 496 00:22:18,785 --> 00:22:21,236 to give you whatever I can, 497 00:22:21,270 --> 00:22:22,375 whenever you need it. 498 00:22:22,410 --> 00:22:24,446 Wow, well, thank you so much. 499 00:22:24,481 --> 00:22:27,242 It's just that, um... 500 00:22:27,276 --> 00:22:30,245 right at the moment I think it would be better for the both us 501 00:22:30,279 --> 00:22:32,661 if I were to give you a bit of space, 502 00:22:32,696 --> 00:22:35,284 so I think it's best if I move in with Jenny for a bit. 503 00:22:35,319 --> 00:22:37,563 Right. 504 00:22:37,597 --> 00:22:41,325 Anyway, it'll be a rehearsal for us, you know. 505 00:22:41,946 --> 00:22:43,845 Rehearsal. 506 00:22:43,879 --> 00:22:47,158 I asked her last night if she'd marry me. 507 00:22:47,193 --> 00:22:48,988 She said she would, 508 00:22:49,022 --> 00:22:50,334 so I, I'll probably 509 00:22:50,369 --> 00:22:52,578 buy somewhere together next year. 510 00:22:52,612 --> 00:22:55,995 Sorry, you mean like move in together 'cause you can't... 511 00:22:56,029 --> 00:22:57,617 you can't buy somewhere together, can you, 512 00:22:57,652 --> 00:22:59,412 'cause you're the only one with any money. 513 00:22:59,447 --> 00:23:00,862 [shaky breathing] 514 00:23:01,725 --> 00:23:03,071 [wry chuckle] 515 00:23:09,042 --> 00:23:11,976 I never thought that we'd fall out about money. 516 00:23:12,943 --> 00:23:15,877 I'll give you a call tomorrow. 517 00:23:15,911 --> 00:23:18,466 I love you, sweetheart. 518 00:23:19,190 --> 00:23:21,400 [exhales sharply] 519 00:23:21,434 --> 00:23:22,849 [door closes] 520 00:23:22,884 --> 00:23:25,473 USHA: I miss... us 521 00:23:25,507 --> 00:23:27,440 as a family, 522 00:23:27,475 --> 00:23:30,201 I miss us all being together. 523 00:23:30,236 --> 00:23:31,548 I miss you. 524 00:23:34,516 --> 00:23:35,793 And I missed you, Usha, 525 00:23:35,828 --> 00:23:37,830 when you left for your soul mate. 526 00:23:37,864 --> 00:23:39,590 Do you remember? 527 00:23:42,317 --> 00:23:43,870 The girls missed you so much. 528 00:23:43,905 --> 00:23:45,596 And I'm so sorry for that, 529 00:23:45,631 --> 00:23:49,289 for all the mistakes I made, which I want to put right now. 530 00:23:49,324 --> 00:23:50,463 [sighs] 531 00:23:50,498 --> 00:23:51,775 Except it's too late. 532 00:23:51,809 --> 00:23:53,155 We've moved on. 533 00:23:53,190 --> 00:23:54,329 I've moved on. 534 00:23:56,538 --> 00:24:00,162 And... you love her, do you? 535 00:24:00,197 --> 00:24:01,785 This Sal? 536 00:24:01,819 --> 00:24:02,958 Yes, I do. 537 00:24:04,719 --> 00:24:06,272 And the girls... 538 00:24:06,306 --> 00:24:08,999 surely we owe it to them 539 00:24:09,033 --> 00:24:10,379 to ask what they'd like? 540 00:24:10,414 --> 00:24:11,829 "We"? 541 00:24:11,864 --> 00:24:13,728 Well, surely you can't deny them that? 542 00:24:13,762 --> 00:24:15,557 I mean, if they wanted, 543 00:24:15,592 --> 00:24:18,560 the chance for us all to be together again? 544 00:24:18,595 --> 00:24:21,908 A proper family. 545 00:24:21,943 --> 00:24:26,188 You always said the girls came first. 546 00:24:26,223 --> 00:24:28,501 ♪ 547 00:24:28,536 --> 00:24:31,504 But I never meant for anyone to actually do anything. 548 00:24:31,539 --> 00:24:33,057 Okay. 549 00:24:33,092 --> 00:24:35,474 Can I read what your last post said? 550 00:24:38,442 --> 00:24:41,790 "For too long, pedophiles, rapists, and murderers 551 00:24:41,825 --> 00:24:44,241 "have been treated as if they were the victims. 552 00:24:44,275 --> 00:24:46,381 "But enough is enough. 553 00:24:46,415 --> 00:24:48,038 "If the government won't bring back 554 00:24:48,072 --> 00:24:49,764 "the death penalty for such crimes, 555 00:24:49,798 --> 00:24:52,663 "perhaps it's time for honest, law-abiding citizens 556 00:24:52,698 --> 00:24:55,252 to take matters into their own hands." 557 00:24:55,286 --> 00:24:57,772 And then you've put a picture of Peter Carr, 558 00:24:57,806 --> 00:24:59,049 with his work address, 559 00:24:59,083 --> 00:25:01,051 under the headline "Monster." 560 00:25:01,085 --> 00:25:03,743 But I never said to anyone to kill him. 561 00:25:03,778 --> 00:25:05,193 So when you said it was 562 00:25:05,227 --> 00:25:07,298 "time for people to take matters in to their own hands," 563 00:25:07,333 --> 00:25:09,404 what did you mean exactly? 564 00:25:12,959 --> 00:25:14,927 I just wanted a job. 565 00:25:16,860 --> 00:25:18,517 I'm 27, 566 00:25:18,551 --> 00:25:20,622 and I have a degree in journalism, 567 00:25:20,657 --> 00:25:22,969 that's costs me the best part of £50,000. 568 00:25:23,004 --> 00:25:26,697 And I have never had 569 00:25:26,732 --> 00:25:28,285 proper paid work in my chosen field, 570 00:25:28,319 --> 00:25:31,737 despite having written hundreds of job applications. 571 00:25:31,771 --> 00:25:34,567 So I was just trying to shock. 572 00:25:36,604 --> 00:25:39,814 'Cause that's what you need to do these days. 573 00:25:39,848 --> 00:25:44,439 Otherwise no one hears you, no one listens. 574 00:25:44,473 --> 00:25:47,891 And if no one listens, what are you? 575 00:25:47,925 --> 00:25:49,996 You're no one. 576 00:25:52,343 --> 00:25:53,759 [sighs] 577 00:25:54,725 --> 00:25:56,520 ANDREWS: In terms of the IPCC, 578 00:25:56,555 --> 00:25:59,109 it's a mandatory referral. 579 00:25:59,143 --> 00:26:01,042 I don't really have any choice. 580 00:26:01,076 --> 00:26:03,596 And the case? 581 00:26:03,631 --> 00:26:05,564 The Reid family have reiterated their faith in you. 582 00:26:07,324 --> 00:26:09,602 For now the case remains yours. 583 00:26:10,569 --> 00:26:11,880 Thank you. 584 00:26:14,503 --> 00:26:17,368 [door opens, closes] 585 00:26:17,403 --> 00:26:19,612 ♪ 586 00:26:19,647 --> 00:26:21,752 [distant dog barking] 587 00:26:21,787 --> 00:26:26,550 Oh, just ask the actual fucking question, Em, please. 588 00:26:26,585 --> 00:26:29,035 Look, I've got ten minutes before I'm due back, 589 00:26:29,070 --> 00:26:30,727 and I really don't have time 590 00:26:30,761 --> 00:26:32,556 for endless dreary euphemisms. 591 00:26:32,591 --> 00:26:34,282 You don't have to get so unpleasant, Dad. 592 00:26:34,316 --> 00:26:35,421 Oh, you think? 593 00:26:35,455 --> 00:26:36,767 It's just, as your father, 594 00:26:36,802 --> 00:26:38,873 I thought you might already know the answer. 595 00:26:43,187 --> 00:26:45,638 I'm sorry. 596 00:26:45,673 --> 00:26:48,779 I'm very stressed by all of this. 597 00:26:48,814 --> 00:26:49,953 But, no... 598 00:26:51,264 --> 00:26:54,026 I never hit your mum. 599 00:26:54,060 --> 00:26:56,925 ♪ 600 00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:01,136 Apologies but I have a 2:00. 601 00:27:01,171 --> 00:27:05,037 ♪ 602 00:27:05,071 --> 00:27:07,660 And for the avoidance of any doubt, 603 00:27:07,695 --> 00:27:09,800 I'm not a psychopathic murderer either. 604 00:27:09,835 --> 00:27:12,009 Just pull the door to when you leave. 605 00:27:12,044 --> 00:27:13,528 Love you. 606 00:27:14,184 --> 00:27:16,842 [door closes] 607 00:27:16,876 --> 00:27:22,019 ♪ 608 00:27:31,546 --> 00:27:34,583 ♪ 609 00:27:34,618 --> 00:27:35,723 Els? 610 00:27:40,831 --> 00:27:45,318 ♪ 611 00:27:45,353 --> 00:27:47,769 JAMES: If you don't tell me the truth, Eliot, 612 00:27:47,804 --> 00:27:48,977 I can't continue to protect you. 613 00:27:49,012 --> 00:27:50,599 Like you have for the past 32 years, 614 00:27:50,634 --> 00:27:51,670 you mean? 615 00:27:51,704 --> 00:27:53,016 Protect me from what, exactly? 616 00:27:53,050 --> 00:27:54,845 Have you had a good look at me recently, Dad? 617 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:56,122 Prison. 618 00:27:56,157 --> 00:27:57,952 And I will happily do that, I will lie for you, 619 00:27:57,986 --> 00:28:00,264 and I will say that I was driving that night. 620 00:28:00,299 --> 00:28:01,438 But you have to tell me the truth. 621 00:28:01,472 --> 00:28:02,542 I've already told you the truth, a million times. 622 00:28:02,577 --> 00:28:03,958 I don't think so. Yes, I have. 623 00:28:03,992 --> 00:28:05,856 I was driving, I hit something, I don't know what, 624 00:28:05,891 --> 00:28:08,065 and I went out to look for it, and I couldn't find anything. 625 00:28:08,100 --> 00:28:09,204 That's it.No... 626 00:28:09,239 --> 00:28:11,551 Yes!Because you actually went back that night. 627 00:28:11,586 --> 00:28:12,587 I what? 628 00:28:12,621 --> 00:28:14,140 I think you actually found her, 629 00:28:14,175 --> 00:28:16,073 and then you hid her, you hid her, and then you went back 630 00:28:16,108 --> 00:28:18,144 to get her a few nights later.What the fuck are you talking about? 631 00:28:18,179 --> 00:28:20,975 Come on tell me the truth, please, Eliot! 632 00:28:21,009 --> 00:28:22,735 It's been 18 years, 633 00:28:22,770 --> 00:28:25,358 I need to hear it now, I need to hear the truth! 634 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:27,671 Where was she found? 635 00:28:27,706 --> 00:28:28,810 Oh! 636 00:28:28,845 --> 00:28:30,294 You know where she was found! 637 00:28:30,329 --> 00:28:31,640 [crying]: No, I don't, I've been using 638 00:28:31,675 --> 00:28:32,780 since you first called me. 639 00:28:32,814 --> 00:28:33,919 Where was she found? 640 00:28:33,953 --> 00:28:35,679 Tell me, where was she found?! 641 00:28:35,714 --> 00:28:37,439 She was buried in London. 642 00:28:41,374 --> 00:28:42,721 [exhales] 643 00:28:45,275 --> 00:28:47,553 [weeping] 644 00:28:47,587 --> 00:28:49,417 What? 645 00:28:49,451 --> 00:28:52,765 [weeping continues] 646 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:53,939 What? 647 00:28:53,973 --> 00:29:00,048 [weeping] 648 00:29:00,083 --> 00:29:03,396 ♪ 649 00:29:03,431 --> 00:29:06,192 [barking] 650 00:29:06,227 --> 00:29:09,575 [barking continues] 651 00:29:15,167 --> 00:29:19,481 [barking continues] 652 00:29:22,899 --> 00:29:24,314 [distant phone ringing] 653 00:29:24,348 --> 00:29:25,453 [knocks] 654 00:29:25,487 --> 00:29:27,455 Boss?Yeah. 655 00:29:27,489 --> 00:29:29,560 So just got off the phone to Eastleigh nick, 656 00:29:29,595 --> 00:29:31,493 which is the nearest one to Middenham. 657 00:29:31,528 --> 00:29:33,841 So they've identified our "G" 658 00:29:33,875 --> 00:29:35,877 as local drug dealer nicknamed Gandalf, 659 00:29:35,912 --> 00:29:37,637 real name Nigel Farndell. 660 00:29:37,672 --> 00:29:40,537 He's got a 30-year record of drugs offenses, so they're gonna 661 00:29:40,571 --> 00:29:42,781 pull him up now and bring him straight in.Okay, thank you. 662 00:29:45,266 --> 00:29:46,923 James Hollis is downstairs, 663 00:29:46,957 --> 00:29:48,303 with his son. 664 00:29:51,272 --> 00:29:52,411 [drops pen] 665 00:29:52,445 --> 00:29:55,345 [distant phone ringing] 666 00:29:55,379 --> 00:29:58,141 [ringing continues, door closes] 667 00:30:00,246 --> 00:30:03,905 [footsteps approaching, keys jingling] 668 00:30:03,940 --> 00:30:06,701 For the past 18 years, 669 00:30:06,735 --> 00:30:10,670 I have believed that my son killed Hayley Reid. 670 00:30:13,190 --> 00:30:16,331 Because he did steal my car, he was drunk, 671 00:30:16,366 --> 00:30:18,817 and when he got back home at 2:00 in the morning, 672 00:30:18,851 --> 00:30:22,303 and I found him in his room in a terrible state... 673 00:30:22,337 --> 00:30:24,305 he told me that he'd hit something. 674 00:30:25,547 --> 00:30:27,860 He said that he'd got out to see what it was 675 00:30:27,895 --> 00:30:29,655 but couldn't find anything. 676 00:30:29,689 --> 00:30:31,622 And although his gut instinct told him 677 00:30:31,657 --> 00:30:34,349 that it was just an animal... 678 00:30:34,384 --> 00:30:39,423 he was also very scared that it might be a person. 679 00:30:41,149 --> 00:30:43,358 Which fear grew, when the next day, 680 00:30:43,393 --> 00:30:45,291 news that Hayley Reid was missing 681 00:30:45,326 --> 00:30:46,810 started to filter through. 682 00:30:46,845 --> 00:30:51,194 And the fact they couldn't find her also fitted 683 00:30:51,228 --> 00:30:54,922 because the road he was on 684 00:30:54,956 --> 00:30:56,475 was next to the river, 685 00:30:56,509 --> 00:30:58,511 which had burst its banks following the heavy rain. 686 00:30:58,546 --> 00:31:00,928 Meaning we had to consider 687 00:31:00,962 --> 00:31:04,138 the awful possibility 688 00:31:04,172 --> 00:31:05,794 that she had been knocked into the water, 689 00:31:05,829 --> 00:31:09,108 washed down the river, and out to sea. 690 00:31:10,420 --> 00:31:14,803 And for 18 years, he and I have hidden that 691 00:31:14,838 --> 00:31:18,738 dreadful secret and I'm, I'm so, so sorry for that. 692 00:31:19,739 --> 00:31:21,396 And then she was found 693 00:31:21,431 --> 00:31:25,262 and the nightmare should have been over, except... 694 00:31:26,988 --> 00:31:28,403 [inhaling] 695 00:31:28,438 --> 00:31:33,684 ...instead of finally believing that he was innocent, 696 00:31:33,719 --> 00:31:37,930 I started to believe that not only had he hit her, 697 00:31:37,965 --> 00:31:41,071 but he'd actually found her, 698 00:31:41,106 --> 00:31:42,348 and hidden her 699 00:31:42,383 --> 00:31:45,938 to drive back down a few days later, 700 00:31:45,973 --> 00:31:49,217 retrieve the body, and bury it in London. 701 00:31:51,185 --> 00:31:52,945 Which... 702 00:31:52,980 --> 00:31:56,949 might seem a terrible thing to believe about your son, 703 00:31:56,984 --> 00:31:59,400 but... [inhales] 704 00:31:59,434 --> 00:32:04,853 18 years of this... toxic secret between us 705 00:32:04,888 --> 00:32:09,617 and seeing the consequences of that in everything 706 00:32:09,651 --> 00:32:14,346 my son has become 707 00:32:14,380 --> 00:32:17,832 has made my judgment bad. 708 00:32:20,007 --> 00:32:23,562 And how do you know he didn't do exactly what you've described? 709 00:32:23,596 --> 00:32:27,186 Because when I finally found him just a few hours ago 710 00:32:27,221 --> 00:32:29,982 and talked to him properly for the first time 711 00:32:30,017 --> 00:32:32,019 since Hayley had been found, 712 00:32:32,053 --> 00:32:33,882 he reminded me 713 00:32:33,917 --> 00:32:37,265 that we drove back early on the 2nd 714 00:32:37,300 --> 00:32:38,818 to put him on a flight to Switzerland, 715 00:32:38,853 --> 00:32:40,372 for a school skiing trip. 716 00:32:40,406 --> 00:32:43,202 He was away for ten days, there'll be school records. 717 00:32:43,237 --> 00:32:46,067 Could have driven back down there once he got back. 718 00:32:46,102 --> 00:32:49,760 By which time the police and half the world's press 719 00:32:49,795 --> 00:32:52,453 were in Middenham, so I don't think so. 720 00:32:52,487 --> 00:32:56,077 But, listen, we're not hiding any more, 721 00:32:56,112 --> 00:32:57,768 he's here to answer your questions. 722 00:32:57,803 --> 00:33:00,012 So ask him. 723 00:33:00,047 --> 00:33:02,118 But... 724 00:33:02,152 --> 00:33:04,913 I think he did just hit a deer that night. 725 00:33:06,743 --> 00:33:10,367 And by me enabling him 726 00:33:10,402 --> 00:33:13,646 to not face up to his responsibilities... 727 00:33:17,650 --> 00:33:19,238 I've messed up his whole life... 728 00:33:20,860 --> 00:33:22,207 [sniffles] 729 00:33:22,241 --> 00:33:24,968 ...for absolutely no reason at all. 730 00:33:25,003 --> 00:33:28,006 ♪ 731 00:33:31,181 --> 00:33:32,389 CHRIS: So I'm gonna 732 00:33:32,424 --> 00:33:33,770 stay in the van tonight 733 00:33:33,804 --> 00:33:35,530 because I want you to have the time you need, 734 00:33:35,565 --> 00:33:38,671 you know, to absorb everything. 735 00:33:39,776 --> 00:33:42,365 And when might the police know, do you think? 736 00:33:45,092 --> 00:33:47,266 That you're not a suspect any more? 737 00:33:48,336 --> 00:33:50,925 I don't know. 738 00:33:50,959 --> 00:33:53,065 But if it's worth me saying, one more time, 739 00:33:53,100 --> 00:33:54,446 you know, it wasn't me. 740 00:33:55,550 --> 00:33:57,276 Not Hayley Reid, not the credit card stuff, 741 00:33:57,311 --> 00:33:58,657 not anything. 742 00:34:00,624 --> 00:34:04,904 And sometimes, we have to-- you must know this-- 743 00:34:04,939 --> 00:34:07,321 we have to accept that... 744 00:34:07,355 --> 00:34:11,877 that life can be just random and, and cruel 745 00:34:12,774 --> 00:34:13,879 before being, 746 00:34:13,913 --> 00:34:15,674 in the blink of an eye, 747 00:34:15,708 --> 00:34:19,091 just as randomly wonderful. 748 00:34:19,126 --> 00:34:25,546 ♪ 749 00:34:25,580 --> 00:34:26,719 [cries] 750 00:34:28,066 --> 00:34:33,105 ♪ 751 00:34:37,144 --> 00:34:38,283 [door closes] 752 00:34:38,317 --> 00:34:40,630 ♪ 753 00:34:40,664 --> 00:34:42,045 [car door unlocks] 754 00:34:45,980 --> 00:34:47,119 Eliot? 755 00:34:47,154 --> 00:34:48,845 You want to fuck off, Dad? 756 00:34:48,879 --> 00:34:52,883 ♪ 757 00:34:57,819 --> 00:35:01,271 He's right, I'm afraid. 758 00:35:01,306 --> 00:35:03,135 Within five days of her disappearance, 759 00:35:03,170 --> 00:35:04,757 Middenham was crawling with police. 760 00:35:04,792 --> 00:35:06,449 There were search parties, 761 00:35:06,483 --> 00:35:07,726 choppers with cameras, road blocks. 762 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,969 If she was murdered in Middenham, 763 00:35:10,004 --> 00:35:11,143 then it was always my belief 764 00:35:11,178 --> 00:35:12,420 that she had to have been moved 765 00:35:12,455 --> 00:35:14,008 within a day or so. 766 00:35:14,042 --> 00:35:15,320 [knocking] 767 00:35:15,354 --> 00:35:16,321 Sorry. 768 00:35:16,355 --> 00:35:17,425 They're looking at their records now, 769 00:35:17,460 --> 00:35:18,806 but the teacher I just spoke to 770 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:20,048 remembers the skiing trip well, 771 00:35:20,083 --> 00:35:22,154 and remembers Eliot being on it 772 00:35:22,189 --> 00:35:23,742 because he was such a pain in the ass. 773 00:35:23,776 --> 00:35:25,123 [sighs] 774 00:35:25,157 --> 00:35:26,158 Right. 775 00:35:26,193 --> 00:35:28,333 And Nigel Farndell's here. 776 00:35:28,367 --> 00:35:30,058 CASSIE: Thanks. 777 00:35:30,093 --> 00:35:31,405 Did you talk to the son? 778 00:35:31,439 --> 00:35:32,785 Uh, briefly. 779 00:35:32,820 --> 00:35:34,546 And? 780 00:35:34,580 --> 00:35:37,859 My sense was he is telling the truth. 781 00:35:37,894 --> 00:35:39,516 So for now we're letting them both go. 782 00:35:41,898 --> 00:35:43,141 [sighs] 783 00:35:43,175 --> 00:35:44,452 I better speak 784 00:35:44,487 --> 00:35:46,316 to this Farndell bloke. 785 00:35:47,006 --> 00:35:48,525 Yeah, I better push off. 786 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:50,251 No, thank you for coming in. 787 00:35:50,286 --> 00:35:51,666 No worries. 788 00:35:52,978 --> 00:35:55,912 Uh... look, I'm probably gonna head back down 789 00:35:55,946 --> 00:35:57,258 to Hampshire tomorrow, so... 790 00:35:57,293 --> 00:35:58,673 Right. 791 00:35:58,708 --> 00:36:01,262 But, um... can I, can I call you? 792 00:36:06,819 --> 00:36:08,649 [door closes] 793 00:36:11,099 --> 00:36:14,827 I don't know if this is a good idea right now, John. 794 00:36:16,691 --> 00:36:20,419 I've just got so much... crap on right now 795 00:36:20,454 --> 00:36:22,490 that I need to sort out and... 796 00:36:22,525 --> 00:36:24,492 I'm not sure starting... 797 00:36:26,667 --> 00:36:29,946 Wouldn't be fair on you. 798 00:36:29,980 --> 00:36:31,465 Sorry. 799 00:36:33,156 --> 00:36:34,502 I'll call you, then. 800 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:43,822 [distant phone ringing, office chatter] 801 00:36:43,856 --> 00:36:45,272 [drops pen] 802 00:36:45,306 --> 00:36:47,550 [papers rustling] 803 00:36:49,862 --> 00:36:52,417 [birds chirping, rain pattering] 804 00:36:56,352 --> 00:37:01,219 ♪ 805 00:37:02,910 --> 00:37:05,084 I mean, we all lived together for ten... 806 00:37:05,119 --> 00:37:06,016 11 years, Mum. 807 00:37:06,051 --> 00:37:09,227 We never saw him do anything like... 808 00:37:09,261 --> 00:37:10,400 You know, and the photos, 809 00:37:10,435 --> 00:37:11,677 were they even you? 810 00:37:11,712 --> 00:37:13,541 Or was it makeup or, I dunno, 811 00:37:13,576 --> 00:37:16,406 help me out here 'cause I'm struggling. 812 00:37:16,441 --> 00:37:20,272 Well, you're not struggling, Em, or you wouldn't be here. 813 00:37:20,307 --> 00:37:24,345 You wouldn't have driven five hours just to ask. 814 00:37:26,140 --> 00:37:28,038 Listen, I know I shouldn't have asked for the money, 815 00:37:28,073 --> 00:37:29,937 it was stupid, but it was the first time 816 00:37:29,971 --> 00:37:33,181 in nearly 30 years I felt like I had the upper hand. 817 00:37:34,424 --> 00:37:37,496 And I got a little giddy. 818 00:37:37,531 --> 00:37:38,670 Although... 819 00:37:39,981 --> 00:37:41,224 for what it's worth, 820 00:37:42,260 --> 00:37:44,089 he never did pay the settlement. 821 00:37:45,746 --> 00:37:49,163 These are the letters from my lawyer to his. 822 00:37:53,823 --> 00:37:56,515 I instructed mine to stop fighting in 2005, 823 00:37:56,550 --> 00:37:58,379 after your father 824 00:37:58,414 --> 00:37:59,725 put his hands around my neck 825 00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:01,658 at our old house and threatened to kill me. 826 00:38:04,005 --> 00:38:07,043 Of course you and Claire never saw stuff, 827 00:38:07,077 --> 00:38:10,598 I did everything I could to keep it from you both. 828 00:38:10,633 --> 00:38:13,083 As did he, 829 00:38:13,118 --> 00:38:14,637 for different reasons, obviously. 830 00:38:16,052 --> 00:38:19,918 But that takes its toll, sweetheart, living that lie. 831 00:38:21,575 --> 00:38:23,404 To keep smiling as you told me about 832 00:38:23,439 --> 00:38:26,062 all your fun times with him, 833 00:38:26,096 --> 00:38:27,719 the lovely holidays with him... 834 00:38:28,996 --> 00:38:30,100 when I knew 835 00:38:30,135 --> 00:38:32,275 what he really was. 836 00:38:33,138 --> 00:38:35,174 It took its toll on me, 837 00:38:35,209 --> 00:38:38,833 and in turn my problems served his deception well. 838 00:38:41,457 --> 00:38:44,770 The photos were genuine, my love. 839 00:38:44,805 --> 00:38:47,325 And you're here now because some part of you, 840 00:38:47,359 --> 00:38:50,362 some subconscious part, 841 00:38:50,397 --> 00:38:53,469 has always known that something was wrong. 842 00:38:55,816 --> 00:38:58,577 And it gives me no pleasure at all 843 00:38:58,612 --> 00:39:00,407 to tell you that you were right. 844 00:39:00,441 --> 00:39:03,755 ♪ 845 00:39:07,414 --> 00:39:11,210 Yes, she came to my house that night. 846 00:39:11,245 --> 00:39:12,764 SUNNY: And that was to buy? 847 00:39:12,798 --> 00:39:15,732 In 2000 it would have been Es, I'd imagine. 848 00:39:17,216 --> 00:39:18,977 You, you didn't think to mention this to the police 849 00:39:19,011 --> 00:39:19,943 at the time? 850 00:39:19,978 --> 00:39:21,117 [soft chuckle] 851 00:39:21,151 --> 00:39:22,774 I had a house full of gear. 852 00:39:22,808 --> 00:39:24,431 I knew I hadn't done anything wrong, so... 853 00:39:26,433 --> 00:39:27,710 But, yeah, I'm sorry. 854 00:39:27,744 --> 00:39:30,402 I should have. 855 00:39:30,437 --> 00:39:32,680 Do you remember what time she arrived? 856 00:39:32,715 --> 00:39:36,719 It would have been about... 11:20. 857 00:39:36,753 --> 00:39:38,203 [pen scribbling] 858 00:39:38,237 --> 00:39:40,343 How do you remember so specifically? 859 00:39:40,378 --> 00:39:42,621 'Cause we chatted a bit, maybe ten minutes, 860 00:39:42,656 --> 00:39:44,382 and then we left together. 861 00:39:44,416 --> 00:39:45,693 And I went to a party in Hancross, 862 00:39:45,728 --> 00:39:47,246 which is about half an hour away, 863 00:39:47,281 --> 00:39:49,421 and I remember I got there just as Big Ben was chiming. 864 00:39:49,456 --> 00:39:52,666 And when she left, did she say where she was going? 865 00:39:52,700 --> 00:39:55,462 She said straight to her party. 866 00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:58,672 Can you... 867 00:40:00,328 --> 00:40:03,849 show me where you were living in 1999? 868 00:40:05,023 --> 00:40:08,129 ♪ 869 00:40:08,164 --> 00:40:12,444 So, if what he's saying is true, 870 00:40:12,479 --> 00:40:14,239 then to get from the Farndells' to the party house, 871 00:40:14,273 --> 00:40:16,966 there's absolutely no reason for her to be passing the church 872 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,969 or where Eliot Hollis was spotted driving the car. 873 00:40:20,003 --> 00:40:22,420 CASSIE: Which would seem to suggest James Hollis 874 00:40:22,454 --> 00:40:25,077 is telling the truth. 875 00:40:25,112 --> 00:40:26,976 As was Peter Carr. 876 00:40:27,010 --> 00:40:28,633 Yeah. 877 00:40:30,842 --> 00:40:32,084 As she walked from here to here, 878 00:40:32,119 --> 00:40:33,465 if she encountered anyone, 879 00:40:33,500 --> 00:40:36,019 the more likely would be Chris Lowe or Tim Finch. 880 00:40:36,054 --> 00:40:38,608 And I've just come off the phone to West End Central, 881 00:40:38,643 --> 00:40:40,541 who have detailed records 882 00:40:40,576 --> 00:40:42,474 of the credit card investigation into Lowe. 883 00:40:42,509 --> 00:40:44,269 Which, they themselves 884 00:40:44,303 --> 00:40:46,098 now admit, 885 00:40:46,133 --> 00:40:48,480 with hindsight, was flawed. 886 00:40:48,515 --> 00:40:50,689 So he didn't just hire good lawyers? 887 00:40:50,724 --> 00:40:53,105 On balance they think not, they think he should 888 00:40:53,140 --> 00:40:55,314 never have been charged.[exhales] 889 00:40:55,349 --> 00:40:57,455 [sighs] That doesn't mean 890 00:40:57,489 --> 00:40:59,871 we eliminate him as a suspect, of course, but for now 891 00:40:59,905 --> 00:41:01,320 I think we should concentrate our fire elsewhere. 892 00:41:03,046 --> 00:41:05,842 And some... slightly better news here. 893 00:41:05,877 --> 00:41:08,604 So yesterday we got in touch with DVLA to see 894 00:41:08,638 --> 00:41:10,122 if any of our four main suspects 895 00:41:10,157 --> 00:41:12,055 had any endorsements 896 00:41:12,090 --> 00:41:14,023 for the days after New Year. 897 00:41:14,057 --> 00:41:18,717 And my thinking was you have a dead body in your boot, 898 00:41:18,752 --> 00:41:23,101 you might be driving a little faster than normal. 899 00:41:23,135 --> 00:41:27,174 So here is a copy of Tim Finch's driving license endorsements 900 00:41:27,208 --> 00:41:28,900 going back 35 years. 901 00:41:28,934 --> 00:41:30,522 There's four speeding offenses on there, 902 00:41:30,557 --> 00:41:31,799 which is kind of normal, 903 00:41:31,834 --> 00:41:34,112 except for the date of the second one. 904 00:41:34,146 --> 00:41:37,115 ♪ 905 00:41:37,149 --> 00:41:38,530 Shit... 906 00:41:40,083 --> 00:41:41,533 The third of January 2000. 907 00:41:41,568 --> 00:41:43,604 That's the day after he got back to London. 908 00:41:44,985 --> 00:41:46,296 Do you know where he got it? 909 00:41:46,331 --> 00:41:47,781 Not yet, but they're gonna get back to us. 910 00:41:47,815 --> 00:41:50,369 But that... is a tickle, 911 00:41:50,404 --> 00:41:53,338 that's definitely a tickle. 912 00:41:53,372 --> 00:41:56,306 ♪ 913 00:41:56,341 --> 00:41:57,618 [phone ringing] 914 00:41:57,653 --> 00:41:58,861 D.I. Khan. 915 00:41:58,895 --> 00:42:00,069 Yes! 916 00:42:00,103 --> 00:42:01,553 Yeah, yes, I have, yeah. 917 00:42:03,762 --> 00:42:05,971 Oh, that is so helpful, thank you so much. 918 00:42:06,006 --> 00:42:07,145 [hangs up phone] 919 00:42:07,179 --> 00:42:08,491 The ticket was issued 920 00:42:08,526 --> 00:42:10,735 at 6:20 a.m. on the A405.Which is where? 921 00:42:10,769 --> 00:42:12,771 Six miles outside of Middenham. 922 00:42:12,806 --> 00:42:15,084 Was he heading to or from? 923 00:42:15,118 --> 00:42:16,775 From. 924 00:42:19,019 --> 00:42:23,368 [birds chirping] 925 00:42:26,854 --> 00:42:28,200 [knock at door] 926 00:42:34,137 --> 00:42:35,380 Timothy Finch, I'm arresting you 927 00:42:35,414 --> 00:42:36,415 on suspicion of the murder 928 00:42:36,450 --> 00:42:37,658 of Hayley Reid. 929 00:42:37,693 --> 00:42:39,073 You do not have to say anything, 930 00:42:39,108 --> 00:42:41,282 but it may harm your defense if you do not mention 931 00:42:41,317 --> 00:42:43,284 something now which you later rely on in court. 932 00:42:43,319 --> 00:42:44,734 As you've been arrested, 933 00:42:44,769 --> 00:42:47,012 we have authority to search your premises 934 00:42:47,047 --> 00:42:48,393 under section 32 935 00:42:48,427 --> 00:42:50,878 of the Police and Criminal Evidence Act. 936 00:42:50,913 --> 00:42:52,328 [papers rustling] 937 00:42:52,362 --> 00:42:53,881 Would you like to get dressed, please? 938 00:42:53,916 --> 00:42:58,506 ♪ 939 00:43:01,371 --> 00:43:03,891 [police radio chatter] 940 00:43:03,926 --> 00:43:09,794 ♪ 941 00:43:10,795 --> 00:43:13,798 [car doors close] 942 00:43:17,664 --> 00:43:19,631 ♪ 943 00:43:28,226 --> 00:43:30,987 ♪ 944 00:43:34,681 --> 00:43:38,167 Why were you on the road out of Middenham, 945 00:43:38,201 --> 00:43:39,893 heading to London, 946 00:43:39,927 --> 00:43:43,448 at 6:20 a.m. 947 00:43:43,482 --> 00:43:45,208 the day after you'd returned to London? 948 00:43:45,243 --> 00:43:46,865 Well, I'd left my laptop in the house 949 00:43:46,900 --> 00:43:49,661 and drove back down to pick it up. 950 00:43:49,696 --> 00:43:51,663 I left very early because I wanted to be back in time 951 00:43:51,698 --> 00:43:53,320 for morning surgery. 952 00:43:53,354 --> 00:43:55,667 And you'd arranged this with the lettings agency? 953 00:43:55,702 --> 00:43:57,289 Yes. 954 00:43:57,324 --> 00:43:59,084 They've made no mention of that. 955 00:43:59,119 --> 00:44:00,879 Well, what do you want me to say? 956 00:44:00,914 --> 00:44:02,881 I-I arranged it. 957 00:44:02,916 --> 00:44:05,194 Who did you speak to? 958 00:44:05,228 --> 00:44:08,093 I don't remember, it's nearly 20 years ago. 959 00:44:08,128 --> 00:44:10,095 Um... a bloke, I think. 960 00:44:10,130 --> 00:44:13,443 And what, he took you round there, did he, 961 00:44:13,478 --> 00:44:14,928 at 6:00 a.m.? 962 00:44:14,962 --> 00:44:16,826 No, he'd left a key under a flower pot. 963 00:44:16,861 --> 00:44:19,173 Apparently the house was vacant that week 964 00:44:19,208 --> 00:44:20,934 and he said to just let myself in. 965 00:44:24,178 --> 00:44:25,697 So why were you speeding? 966 00:44:25,732 --> 00:44:27,354 Well, it had taken longer than I thought to get down there, 967 00:44:27,388 --> 00:44:29,045 I was running late.[knock at door] 968 00:44:31,220 --> 00:44:32,635 For the purposes of the interview, DC Collier 969 00:44:32,670 --> 00:44:34,085 has entered the room. 970 00:44:34,119 --> 00:44:35,431 Sorry to interrupt, ma'am, 971 00:44:35,465 --> 00:44:37,951 can I have a quick word?Sure. 972 00:44:37,985 --> 00:44:39,090 Excuse me. 973 00:44:40,298 --> 00:44:41,333 Interview suspended 974 00:44:41,368 --> 00:44:43,784 at 8:31. 975 00:44:43,819 --> 00:44:45,303 [buzzing] 976 00:44:46,166 --> 00:44:47,615 [door closes] 977 00:44:47,650 --> 00:44:50,239 In his cellar, behind a thousand boxes of junk, 978 00:44:50,273 --> 00:44:52,206 we found one of those 979 00:44:52,241 --> 00:44:54,346 old, like, money box type things. 980 00:44:54,381 --> 00:44:56,279 And when we got it open, we found these. 981 00:44:56,314 --> 00:44:59,524 A necklace, with hair still attached to the clasp. 982 00:44:59,558 --> 00:45:00,870 A scrunchy. 983 00:45:03,321 --> 00:45:04,563 And a pair of knickers. 68918

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