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[music playing]
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Every lie, there is a truth
that always comes to light.
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Like, there'll not be anything
said in the darkness
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that I will not shout
from the rooftops
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and the mountaintops
in the light.
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[Natalia] But you wanna know
something else, though?
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Admitting those
is a whole other story.
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I know it's not easy.
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But that's what sets us free.
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I have been
on a roller coaster
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with this case, right?
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I had been up and down,
one side, the other side,
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seeing things from both sides,
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trying to figure out
who is telling the truth.
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Is Michael lying?
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Is Natalia lying?
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Or maybe they are both victims
of the same monster.
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[exhales]
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I didn't do anything wrong.
I know I didn't
do anything wrong.
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I have a jury
that has affirmed that I
didn't do anything wrong.
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I'm not hiding.
I... I'm not criminal.
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Uh, I'm not ashamed.
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I'm not gonna listen to it.
I'll hit play.
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I'll hold it up
and show it to you.
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So, it truly doesn't affect me
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what Kristine
tells random people
in the public about me.
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Kristine told me
in a series of messages
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Natalia ruined her life
in so many ways.
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Kristine basically
said that...
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Natalia started
[bleep] her husband.
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She had either caught Natalia
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-having sex
with her husband...
-Say what?
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...or became aware of it.
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-And then apparently,
Natalia also tried to...
-[Natalia] Are you serious?
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... [bleep] one of the
neighbors' husbands
or one of the neighbors.
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-Wait. Hold on.
-[Freddie] I specifically
remember Kristine
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just telling me
how heartbroken she was over
the situation with Natalia
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sleeping with her husband.
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No! Are you crazy?
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That is a total lie.
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So to answer... to simply
say it on camera.
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Absolutely not.
I have never at all...
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touched Natalia
in an inappropriate way.
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I have never had
any kind of sexual relations
with Natalia.
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Unequivocally, absolutely,
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One hundred percent,
hell... no.
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At the same time...
that's Kristine.
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She will make up whatever
crazy loud lie she can
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and if you don't believe her,
then she'll take it
up a notch.
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Michael really wants
some resolution
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in his one-on-one
with Natalia.
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But he also wants her
to believe and understand
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that he was victimized
by Kristine too.
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Natalia wants answers
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and she wants justice.
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The Barnetts think
that it's over, but it's not.
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It is far from over.
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[Beth] And maybe they both
still need to come clean
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because maybe...
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everybody is hiding something.
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[sniffles, sighs]
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If the truth does set us free,
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and we have told as much truth
as we can, have we not?
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Hopefully,
me showing up here...
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should let you know I harbor
no ill will for anything.
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I'm not trying
to hide from anything.
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[sighs]
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Did you know
she pepper-sprayed me?
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I learned that...
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about a year ago.
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-[Natalia] Do you know--
-Jacob told me.
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Do you know
how many times she did it?
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[Michael] Jacob told me once.
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Granted, Jacob wasn't going
to be around
every second of the day.
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It was twice.
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I can remember her getting
a can of the pepper spray.
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I remember her
having it on her keys.
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-[sighs]
-[Natalia] The first time
she did it,
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it was just to show me
what it was gonna be like.
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-I remember she took me
to the back porch.
-[exhales]
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[sniffles] She told me
to keep my eyes open.
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And the first time,
I closed 'em
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right as she was spraying,
and she got mad
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and was like, "You need
to keep your eyes open."
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[Michael] You know what?
It's just too bad nobody
ever got to show her.
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'Cause, you know,
if you have to know
what it's gonna be like,
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doesn't she need to know
what it's gonna be like?
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[voice shaking]
And after she did it,
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she wouldn't even
let me clean my eyes
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for like five minutes.
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And I remember crying.
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[sobbing] She wouldn't
help me.
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[sniffles]
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The second time she did it,
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it was actually
at Jacob's school.
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-All because
I was walking too slow.
-[Michael sighs]
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[sobbing]
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[Natalia continues sobbing]
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I don't know nothing
about statutes of limitations
or anything but...
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[sighs wearily]
that sounds like
[beeping] to me.
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[Natalia] Did you know
that she pepper-sprayed me?
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[Michael] I learned that...
about a year ago.
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Wait a second,
the pepper spray?
Okay. No, no.
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He didn't just learn about it.
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He told us in 2022
in an interview
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that Kristine told him
about it at the time.
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[Michael] Natalia wasn't
telling her who she was,
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so Kristine told me, one day
I came home from work,
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that she tried something new.
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We had a pink...
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cannister of pepper spray
that was on Kristine's keys.
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"Tell me who you are...
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or I'm gonna spray you
in the face with this."
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No, I don't think
he just learned about it
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because he told us
he knew about it in 2022.
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Kristine's telling me this
happily and proudly
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like it's no big deal.
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"Michael, I...
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I even tried
pepper-spraying her today.
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She still won't admit
the truth."
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Michael needs
to admit to Natalia
that he knew about it.
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You can't tell her
you just learned about it
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when you told us
and it's recorded.
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Just admit it.
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It hurt, you know,
the fact that... [sniffles]
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the fact that she just did it,
like, just to do it.
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That first time was... and I
didn't want her to do it.
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Like, I told her,
you know, I don't want
to do it. [sniffles]
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And she did it the first time
and I closed my eyes
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before it got in my eyes
and she told me to keep...
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Kristine told me
to keep my eyes open.
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It hurt so much and the fact
that she didn't care
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was the worst part of it.
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Looking back and talking
to Natalia and...
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reflecting and asking her
if anything had happened
in the Barnett home,
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um, physical abuse,
she didn't say anything.
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What Natalia is saying
in this video clip...
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I had never heard that before.
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She never said anything.
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And knowing what I know
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with my experience
in interviewing children
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and working with families
over the years,
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it doesn't surprise me
that she didn't say anything.
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[crying]
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[Sheriff Bob] There's some
trauma there.
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What they did...
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that's not love.
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Not even close.
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That's hate.
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What are the things
that Kristine made up?
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[Michael] Um...
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I... so many things.
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What did she make up about me?
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You were going
to kill everybody.
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You were gonna kill her,
you were gonna kill the boys.
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And again, I don't wanna talk.
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I don't wanna... I don't wanna
go down this road.
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[Natalia] Kristine is the one
that told me
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to tell them that I wanted
to hurt you guys,
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that I wanted
to... poison Kristine,
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that I wanted to... just...
that I was hiding knives.
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What is that story even?
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What was what story?
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-Hiding knives?
-[Natalia] Yeah.
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I was never alone.
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What is that story about?
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I would come home from work.
There was a couple of times,
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during a period of time,
that Kristine said
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she found knives
under your bed.
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There was one time that I...
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found a knife under your bed.
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And there was one time
you were holding a knife
in our bedroom.
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That's what that's about.
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I was never in y'all's room
with a knife.
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I remember you being in there.
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I couldn't even
look at over y'all's bed.
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I barely even climbed over it.
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I understand that.
That doesn't change the fact
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that you were in the room
holding the knife
that direction.
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[Natalia] Michael...
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I remember...
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the knives were always
put up where I couldn't
even reach 'em.
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I would've had
to drag a chair.
Y'all would've heard me.
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And I was never alone.
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Kristine was always there,
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-so how could I have got 'em?
-[Michael] I don't know.
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There was a night,
you were standing
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not the very foot of the bed,
but, like, six, seven,
eight feet back...
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holding a medium-size knife.
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And there was one time
I found one under your bed.
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Now, were there things
going on that was...
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making it really hard
for you to keep...
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things straight? Maybe,
but I remember that.
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I couldn't even reach
that fridge even with a chair.
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So how could I have got them?
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I don't know how.
I know what I saw.
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I was never alone.
Kristine was always there.
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And yet I remember
seeing that.
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[Michael] It's okay, we don't
have to focus on that.
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[Beth] I don't know
what the truth is.
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But at the beginning
of this face-off
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between Natalia and Michael,
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you look at her
body language, right?
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She is, like, not happy
and is like "Okay,
what do you got?
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But Michael sounds
pretty truthful.
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I know what I saw.
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[Beth] Michael seems
pretty credible.
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And then Natalia starts
to relax her posture.
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So if you're reading
her body language,
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one has to wonder.
Does Natalia
remember everything...
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back in those days?
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[interviewer] Mmm-hmm.
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[interviewer] Tell me
about that.
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[interviewer] Well,
what was happening
with the knife?
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[Beth] Was Natalia
a dangerous person?
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Did she or didn't she
hold a knife
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at the end of their bed?
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And why did
so many other people
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report that Natalia
was violent
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and acted out sexually?
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It is one of those
unanswered questions
in this case.
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[Terrance] Every family
she's been with
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has given the identical story
of her behavior.
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And that story
is, "Natalia harmed
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one of our family members."
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There is a pattern here.
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And the Barnetts
experienced this pattern.
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That raises questions.
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[Beth] After hearing
about the way Natalia...
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Natalia was treated
inside the Barnett home,
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all the beatings,
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it sheds a different light
on these allegations
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that Natalia
was hoarding knives
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and putting them
under her bed,
if she ever was.
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Because maybe,
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she had these knives
for self-defense.
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And also,
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there is another explanation
for Natalia's behavior.
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In 2010, Natalia was diagnosed
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with reactive
attachment disorder.
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And that's a diagnosis
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though, apparently,
it's kinda common
with orphans.
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Maybe international
orphans too.
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Reactive attachment disorder
is a rare condition
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that prevents children
from bonding
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with their family members.
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And the number one cause
is trauma.
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[Nicole] I think that
Natalia did have her trauma.
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'Cause who wouldn't?
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I think that the Barnetts
were pushing her daily
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to do things
that were probably making her
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very, very uncomfortable.
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I think she was in pain,
chronic pain, miserable.
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And if she was acting out
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whether it'd be a knife,
whether it'd be whatever,
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she was a child
who was disabled
who needed help.
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[Natalia] Says that
I was diagnosed
with psychosis, bipolar,
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schizophrenia,
attachment disorder
and mood disorder.
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You can ask my parents.
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Never once have I showed
any signs of bipolar,
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and my parents have seen
bipolar before.
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Like, they've seen a whole lot
of mental illnesses.
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So they know.
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And they will
let you know that
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I've never showed
anything like that.
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The reactive
attachment disorder,
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I can say there probably was
a little bit before.
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The only thing
I had was reactive
attachment disorder.
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Which is understandable.
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I've seen so many people
that didn't want me.
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So, of course,
I'mma be scared to get
attached to you.
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But I'm also scared
to get attached to you
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because of what you're doing.
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Why would I wanna get
attached to you?
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If anything,
I wanna get as far away
from you as possible.
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But I couldn't do that
'cause I was a kid.
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And I do remember having
some behavior issues
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when I first met my parents.
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When Natalia
first got with us,
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there would be moments that
she would just be so broken
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and just feel like,
"How do I deal with this?"
You know?
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Wassup?
283
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-[Natalia chuckles]
What's up, people?
-[child speaking indistinctly]
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[Cynthia] Natalia's been
with us all these years.
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And let me tell you,
we have corrected Natalia.
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And she's never came at us
with a knife
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or put thumb tacks
up on our stairs
288
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or tried to hurt our children.
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I was lying all the time,
stealing all the time,
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I cussed.
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I probably did say
some sexual stuff
that I should not have.
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Um, they probably remember it
more than I do.
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[chuckles softly]
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I'm sorry, Mom and Dad,
I'm sorry.
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'Cause I didn't know.
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I was really little,
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being exposed to so much stuff
that I didn't know was bad.
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But I don't like to think
about my past.
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Natalia's been asked
about her memories of Ukraine.
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And we know that
survivors of trauma
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often block memories
as a coping mechanism.
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[Veronica] She had these
traumatic events in her past.
303
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And her childhood
was so difficult
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and so many sporadic traumas.
305
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It doesn't surprise me
that Natalia was acting out.
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I've always tried to remember
certain things.
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[dog barking]
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I don't know
what happened to me
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while I was in the Ukraine.
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That is one big part
of the puzzle
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that has still got
a lot of holes in it.
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[investigator] All right,
so you were in Ukraine
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and, and has anybody
ever told you
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how long you were in
the orphanage?
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[investigator] You think
you were only there
for a year.
316
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[Natalia] The time
I was in the Ukraine
in the orphanage,
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there's a lot of fuzziness
with it.
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One thing
I do remember though,
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I remember, I--
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It might've been
like a foster family
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or like a mom.
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Like, I remember being there
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for honestly,
I don't even know how long.
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Like, I just remember
waking up
325
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and it was totally different.
326
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I don't know how I got there.
327
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I don't know what happened.
328
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And I don't remember how
I came to the United States.
329
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Like, that whole thing
is just blank.
330
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There's still a lot
of mystery that, uh,
331
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surrounds Natalia's adoption
in Ukraine.
332
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And the records that were lost
333
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in a sewer incident
at the hospital
334
00:18:14,068 --> 00:18:16,379
that we're aware of,
where she was born.
335
00:18:18,103 --> 00:18:20,758
The judge that handled
the adoption proceeding
336
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was terminated for corruption
337
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a month or so
after Natalia was adopted.
338
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And that the file,
339
00:18:29,172 --> 00:18:32,275
the records
of Natalia's adoption
were missing.
340
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Did you ever see
that birth certificate before?
341
00:18:36,172 --> 00:18:41,482
-[speaking Ukrainian]
-[Kenneth] You did-- Did you--
342
00:18:44,413 --> 00:18:49,068
[speaking Ukrainian]
343
00:18:50,758 --> 00:18:55,172
-[speaking Ukrainian]
-[Kenneth] No. Okay.
344
00:18:55,172 --> 00:18:56,965
[translator] She didn't know
about her whereabouts.
345
00:18:57,000 --> 00:19:00,482
They only told her
she was relocated
to the United States,
346
00:19:00,482 --> 00:19:03,655
and she doesn't know
what happened to her
after this.
347
00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:13,000
Would I be surprised
that Natalia was handed off
348
00:19:13,034 --> 00:19:16,172
to different people
for nefarious reasons?
349
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Maybe, you know, trafficked.
350
00:19:18,931 --> 00:19:21,172
I wouldn't be surprised
by anything.
351
00:19:21,241 --> 00:19:22,482
[investigator] Do you know
which parts of the body
352
00:19:22,551 --> 00:19:24,137
people aren't supposed
to touch?
353
00:19:26,793 --> 00:19:28,689
-[investigator] Private areas.
-[Natalia] Yeah.
354
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[investigator] You know where
your private areas are?
355
00:19:30,448 --> 00:19:31,586
[investigator] Okay.
356
00:19:31,586 --> 00:19:34,862
There are a lot of real sickos
out there.
357
00:19:34,862 --> 00:19:36,344
Talk about diabolical.
358
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They exist.
359
00:19:43,689 --> 00:19:44,862
Tell me about that.
360
00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:49,034
[investigator] Mmm-hmm.
361
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-[investigator] Which guy?
-[Natalia] Um...
362
00:20:03,241 --> 00:20:05,000
[Nicole] Our social worker
had taught us.
363
00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:08,586
A child that comes
from an orphanage
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that was abandoned as a baby,
365
00:20:11,379 --> 00:20:13,586
is gonna have some trauma.
366
00:20:13,586 --> 00:20:16,758
If Natalia is now
your daughter,
367
00:20:16,827 --> 00:20:20,000
and she's been diagnosed with
reactive attachment disorder,
368
00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:21,862
you have to accept that.
369
00:20:21,931 --> 00:20:24,655
You have to be prepared.
370
00:20:24,724 --> 00:20:26,448
[Cynthia] Natalia's been
through a lot.
371
00:20:26,517 --> 00:20:29,586
And so how we coped with it
was lots of family love.
372
00:20:29,586 --> 00:20:31,034
Like, we would
all get together
373
00:20:31,034 --> 00:20:32,551
and we would pray together,
374
00:20:32,620 --> 00:20:36,896
to show her that
she is a good person
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00:20:36,896 --> 00:20:39,827
and she is able to be loved.
376
00:20:40,689 --> 00:20:43,551
[Michael] Your therapist
believed
377
00:20:43,620 --> 00:20:47,862
that reactive attachment kids
needed to be boot camped.
378
00:20:47,862 --> 00:20:52,344
That you needed to treated
like you were in the military.
379
00:20:52,344 --> 00:20:55,862
He shared a couple words
with Kristine,
380
00:20:56,655 --> 00:20:59,448
and she took 'em
and ran with 'em.
381
00:21:01,379 --> 00:21:03,000
She loved the idea
of bootcamp.
382
00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:06,448
And at-- And suddenly,
everything was a privilege
or a consequence.
383
00:21:06,448 --> 00:21:08,965
I had privileges
and consequences.
384
00:21:10,586 --> 00:21:15,034
Abusers want you to feel like
not only you're the only one,
385
00:21:15,034 --> 00:21:17,862
-but they want you to feel
like you can't tell anyone.
-[Natalia crying]
386
00:21:18,793 --> 00:21:21,344
[Michael] I am thankful
you and I are alive today.
387
00:21:21,344 --> 00:21:23,448
Oh, my God. [sighs]
388
00:21:24,103 --> 00:21:25,000
[crying softly]
389
00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,275
She tried everything
390
00:21:27,275 --> 00:21:30,137
to try to make me
into a monster.
391
00:21:30,137 --> 00:21:32,103
[Michael] She did
the exact same to me.
392
00:21:33,482 --> 00:21:36,103
November 2013,
393
00:21:36,103 --> 00:21:38,103
uh, we had just moved
to Canada.
394
00:21:38,103 --> 00:21:40,448
And she and I
had the-- [sighs]
395
00:21:40,448 --> 00:21:43,758
probably the fight
to end all fights.
396
00:21:43,758 --> 00:21:46,137
We're in a car.
There's me, there's her.
397
00:21:46,137 --> 00:21:48,103
Wesley and Ethan
are in the back seat.
398
00:21:48,103 --> 00:21:49,137
[sighs]
399
00:21:50,793 --> 00:21:52,137
[exhales sharply]
400
00:21:52,137 --> 00:21:56,344
Instant screaming,
blood curdling, top-of-lungs.
401
00:21:57,896 --> 00:21:59,758
"Everything's mine,
nothing's yours.
402
00:21:59,758 --> 00:22:01,448
These people are mine.
403
00:22:01,448 --> 00:22:03,172
The things are mine,
the children are mine,
404
00:22:03,172 --> 00:22:05,448
the money is mine,
friends are mine.
405
00:22:05,517 --> 00:22:07,137
You have nothing."
406
00:22:07,137 --> 00:22:08,586
And she's just going on
and on and on
407
00:22:08,586 --> 00:22:10,206
and she just keeps saying,
408
00:22:10,965 --> 00:22:12,000
"Mine."
409
00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:16,241
My success, my money,
my Hollywood.
410
00:22:18,344 --> 00:22:20,862
And she keeps going
and she keeps going
and she keeps going.
411
00:22:21,241 --> 00:22:23,965
And I had enough.
412
00:22:24,758 --> 00:22:26,965
And both hands on the wheel,
413
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:31,241
I shouldn't have said
what I said.
I regret saying what I said.
414
00:22:32,172 --> 00:22:33,965
I told her,
"Shut up or I'll kill you."
415
00:22:33,965 --> 00:22:36,655
So she keeps yelling,
yelling, yelling,
gets her phone out,
416
00:22:37,551 --> 00:22:39,862
secretly hits "record"
and then stops screaming.
417
00:22:41,172 --> 00:22:42,758
So now, the only person
screaming is who?
418
00:22:43,034 --> 00:22:44,344
-You.
-Me.
419
00:22:44,862 --> 00:22:46,068
And what am I saying?
420
00:22:46,793 --> 00:22:48,034
"Shut up or I'll kill you."
421
00:22:48,793 --> 00:22:49,862
So she records that,
422
00:22:49,931 --> 00:22:51,793
and while it's happening
she turns to the boys,
423
00:22:51,793 --> 00:22:53,758
"Boys, Dad's gonna
kill you both.
424
00:22:53,827 --> 00:22:56,448
But Mommy's gonna protect you.
I'll save you.
425
00:22:56,448 --> 00:22:59,551
He's gonna kill everyone.
I'll save you."
426
00:23:00,137 --> 00:23:01,758
So, she records it. [sighs]
427
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:04,137
I can't tell you
how many times
428
00:23:04,137 --> 00:23:05,655
she's played that
back to them.
429
00:23:06,965 --> 00:23:08,275
It's a lot.
430
00:23:09,379 --> 00:23:13,241
She played that back to them
over and over
and over, allegedly
431
00:23:14,068 --> 00:23:16,034
so they would be afraid
of their dad.
432
00:23:16,034 --> 00:23:18,000
All I wanted to do
was get away from her.
433
00:23:18,758 --> 00:23:22,241
They spent
the next nine months,
434
00:23:22,586 --> 00:23:23,655
all three boys,
435
00:23:25,068 --> 00:23:26,758
staying up all night,
436
00:23:27,482 --> 00:23:28,793
at the window of the farm
437
00:23:28,793 --> 00:23:30,241
in the middle
of nowhere, Canada,
438
00:23:30,655 --> 00:23:32,172
with knives
439
00:23:32,896 --> 00:23:34,862
waiting for their dad
to come home.
440
00:23:35,896 --> 00:23:36,965
Because she had convinced them
441
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,034
he's gonna come back
and get you.
442
00:23:39,034 --> 00:23:41,344
He's going to come back
and kill you.
443
00:23:41,344 --> 00:23:43,965
You've gotta tell the judge
in our divorce
444
00:23:43,965 --> 00:23:45,344
that you've gotta come
with Mom,
445
00:23:45,413 --> 00:23:47,068
'cause Dad's gonna kill you.
446
00:23:48,379 --> 00:23:51,896
The boys relayed to me
that she would pull up
on the computer,
447
00:23:51,896 --> 00:23:55,689
every story of every father
that ever killed their child.
448
00:23:55,689 --> 00:23:57,862
And she convinced them
I was gonna do it to 'em.
449
00:23:59,862 --> 00:24:01,482
Suddenly, they're terrified.
450
00:24:19,965 --> 00:24:23,413
And she takes them to
a battered women's therapist
in the middle of nowhere.
451
00:24:24,172 --> 00:24:27,000
And tells the battered
women's therapist,
452
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,482
"I'm a monster,
I'm gonna kill everybody,
453
00:24:29,482 --> 00:24:30,931
please save me."
454
00:24:32,896 --> 00:24:34,758
She gets me to agree that
455
00:24:34,827 --> 00:24:38,551
whatever the therapist
thinks is best
for the kids, I'll do.
456
00:24:38,620 --> 00:24:39,793
[clicks tongue]
Next thing I know,
457
00:24:39,793 --> 00:24:41,482
what the therapist thinks
is best for the kids
458
00:24:41,482 --> 00:24:43,310
is they should--
they should never talk
to their dad.
459
00:24:45,068 --> 00:24:46,068
[cries softly]
460
00:24:47,379 --> 00:24:48,551
I didn't see my sons.
461
00:24:50,793 --> 00:24:51,862
[sniffles]
462
00:24:51,931 --> 00:24:52,862
[softly] She took 'em.
463
00:24:53,793 --> 00:24:55,172
[sniffles]
464
00:24:55,172 --> 00:24:57,241
I-- I-- I don't--
I don't have my sons.
465
00:24:59,172 --> 00:25:03,137
January 15th, 2014
is the last time I saw them.
466
00:25:04,068 --> 00:25:08,241
[crying softly]
467
00:25:16,068 --> 00:25:17,482
I've seen Jacob.
468
00:25:17,482 --> 00:25:19,344
And he and I
have worked on things
469
00:25:19,344 --> 00:25:22,206
and tried to repair
some things. [sniffles]
470
00:25:22,689 --> 00:25:24,241
But I missed everything.
471
00:25:24,241 --> 00:25:25,241
[sniffles] I missed...
472
00:25:26,586 --> 00:25:28,068
the rest of him growing up,
473
00:25:28,068 --> 00:25:29,551
I missed...
474
00:25:29,551 --> 00:25:31,862
things like his first date,
his first dance.
475
00:25:32,551 --> 00:25:33,551
I...
476
00:25:34,275 --> 00:25:36,034
I've-- I've-- I've missed--
477
00:25:36,034 --> 00:25:37,448
I've-- I've-- I've missed--
478
00:25:37,517 --> 00:25:39,758
I've missed every--
everything. [sniffles]
479
00:25:39,758 --> 00:25:40,827
I haven't...
480
00:25:41,655 --> 00:25:43,655
I've-- I-- I haven't seen
Wesley and Ethan.
481
00:25:44,379 --> 00:25:45,827
My sons are gone. [sniffles]
482
00:25:47,689 --> 00:25:49,758
[Natalie] I can tell
he's struggling.
483
00:25:50,379 --> 00:25:53,344
I feel like part of it
is guilt.
484
00:25:53,344 --> 00:25:55,137
The things
that Michael has done,
485
00:25:55,137 --> 00:25:56,551
that Kristine has done,
486
00:25:57,275 --> 00:25:58,965
they were not right.
487
00:25:58,965 --> 00:26:01,000
It should've never happened
in the first place.
488
00:26:02,103 --> 00:26:05,241
[Antwan] I think there's
always time for redemption.
489
00:26:05,310 --> 00:26:08,448
It's never too late
to do the right thing.
490
00:26:08,517 --> 00:26:11,965
But you need to give
a full confession
of what you've done.
491
00:26:11,965 --> 00:26:16,000
[Beth] Michael and Natalia
both want
some kind of closure.
492
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,344
This was
an important confrontation,
493
00:26:18,413 --> 00:26:20,103
face-off, meeting, whatever.
494
00:26:20,793 --> 00:26:22,965
Michael is still
making excuses,
495
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,620
instead of taking
responsibility himself
for some of the abuse.
496
00:26:27,344 --> 00:26:29,862
And time is running out.
497
00:26:29,862 --> 00:26:32,827
I've had nightmares
about this stuff.
498
00:26:33,103 --> 00:26:34,137
[sighs]
499
00:26:34,137 --> 00:26:35,310
[Natalia] I want it to stop.
500
00:26:35,896 --> 00:26:38,965
And I want a full apology.
501
00:26:47,586 --> 00:26:48,655
[Michael sighs]
502
00:26:48,655 --> 00:26:53,517
Did you ever think how
it would affect me?
503
00:26:55,241 --> 00:26:56,896
You remember your cross
that's got the-- the--
504
00:26:56,896 --> 00:26:59,241
your little name "Grace" on it
that we used to have?
505
00:27:00,758 --> 00:27:01,896
[crying] Yeah.
506
00:27:01,896 --> 00:27:05,448
I have like, six things
left from my old life,
507
00:27:05,517 --> 00:27:06,896
that's one of 'em.
508
00:27:06,896 --> 00:27:08,482
It's hanging up on the wall
in the middle
of the living room.
509
00:27:08,482 --> 00:27:09,862
So, yes, I think about it.
510
00:27:09,862 --> 00:27:13,034
And I think about
all the time...
[crying softly]
511
00:27:13,034 --> 00:27:14,137
The cross with your name on it
512
00:27:14,137 --> 00:27:15,896
is positioned in a,
in a spot in my living room
513
00:27:15,896 --> 00:27:17,517
where I have to see it.
514
00:27:18,689 --> 00:27:21,655
I've never tried to forget
Natalia in general.
515
00:27:22,551 --> 00:27:24,896
Natalia deserves
to not be forgotten.
516
00:27:24,896 --> 00:27:26,551
Yes, I think of it.
517
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,586
And I beat myself up
over it all the time
518
00:27:30,586 --> 00:27:32,655
for not being stronger.
519
00:27:34,965 --> 00:27:37,448
I could've easily
killed myself
520
00:27:37,448 --> 00:27:39,310
ten times
in the last year alone.
521
00:27:41,379 --> 00:27:42,413
[sighs]
522
00:27:48,586 --> 00:27:49,551
[Natalia] And...
523
00:27:50,689 --> 00:27:51,758
I hate...
524
00:27:53,793 --> 00:27:56,172
the things that
they've had to go through.
525
00:27:58,896 --> 00:27:59,931
[sniffles]
526
00:28:16,896 --> 00:28:18,206
[Michael] They're gonna
be gone forever.
527
00:28:21,758 --> 00:28:23,172
I need a... I need a miracle.
528
00:28:24,689 --> 00:28:25,655
I... I need...
529
00:28:25,655 --> 00:28:27,034
I... I need a miracle.
530
00:28:27,551 --> 00:28:28,551
[sniffles]
531
00:28:33,551 --> 00:28:35,241
And I just want everyone...
532
00:28:35,793 --> 00:28:38,241
to find some peace in that.
533
00:28:39,275 --> 00:28:41,758
Being so terrified of...
534
00:28:43,758 --> 00:28:45,068
what she'll do next.
535
00:28:45,482 --> 00:28:46,689
[sniffles]
536
00:28:46,689 --> 00:28:49,068
Are you sorry?
537
00:28:49,068 --> 00:28:52,655
-Yeah.
-Are you sorry
about what she did to me?
538
00:28:53,068 --> 00:28:54,068
[sniffles]
539
00:28:55,379 --> 00:28:58,655
I'm overly sorry
about what she did to you.
540
00:28:58,655 --> 00:29:01,413
I am horrified by what she
has done to you. [sniffles]
541
00:29:01,896 --> 00:29:03,448
I am sorry I wasn't stronger
542
00:29:03,448 --> 00:29:05,551
and didn't stop her. I...
543
00:29:05,551 --> 00:29:06,862
[sobbing]
544
00:29:06,862 --> 00:29:08,068
[Michael] I wasn't...
545
00:29:08,275 --> 00:29:09,241
I...
546
00:29:09,241 --> 00:29:10,965
I just wasn't.
547
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,241
I don't think
I'm strong enough now
to do it.
548
00:29:14,275 --> 00:29:16,241
But I'm doin' it anyway.
549
00:29:16,310 --> 00:29:19,241
'Cause the truth deserves
to be told complete.
550
00:29:19,310 --> 00:29:20,758
Not a little snippet.
551
00:29:20,758 --> 00:29:22,724
Here's everything.
552
00:29:25,586 --> 00:29:26,551
[sobbing]
553
00:29:37,379 --> 00:29:38,344
[Natalia] Michael...
554
00:29:41,793 --> 00:29:42,931
I forgive you.
555
00:29:48,172 --> 00:29:49,206
You don't have to.
556
00:29:49,758 --> 00:29:50,931
I don't forgive me.
557
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:57,448
I just couldn't.
558
00:29:57,448 --> 00:29:59,620
I just couldn't.
I just couldn't.
559
00:30:00,758 --> 00:30:01,758
[sobbing]
560
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:02,965
Michael.
561
00:30:03,448 --> 00:30:04,379
[Michael] I... [sniffles]
562
00:30:04,379 --> 00:30:06,344
-Michael.
-I should've stopped her.
563
00:30:06,344 --> 00:30:08,344
[Natalia] Michael. Look at me.
564
00:30:11,379 --> 00:30:12,655
I forgive you.
565
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:16,965
[Michael sniffles]
566
00:30:20,379 --> 00:30:21,551
-Please?
-Sure.
567
00:30:22,103 --> 00:30:23,103
[sniffling]
568
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:31,241
In the name of Jesus,
569
00:30:31,758 --> 00:30:33,241
thank you for protecting me.
570
00:30:33,310 --> 00:30:36,586
Thank you
for giving him
a second chance.
571
00:30:36,586 --> 00:30:39,620
Thank you for saving him
from the pills that he took.
572
00:30:40,103 --> 00:30:41,448
Thank you, Lord Jesus.
573
00:30:42,379 --> 00:30:44,137
All that you've done,
Lord Jesus,
574
00:30:44,137 --> 00:30:46,448
'cause we know
that you have a plan for him.
575
00:30:47,896 --> 00:30:51,137
I just pray, Lord Jesus,
that you would
just touch his heart.
576
00:30:51,137 --> 00:30:53,275
Please. God, I just pray to...
577
00:30:53,275 --> 00:30:54,655
[sniffles]
578
00:30:54,724 --> 00:30:56,103
...give him a new mindset.
579
00:30:56,103 --> 00:30:57,448
Give him a new heart.
580
00:30:58,379 --> 00:31:00,827
He can be stronger than this.
581
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:03,551
I pray... [sniffles]
582
00:31:04,448 --> 00:31:07,551
He can be better
than who he is.
583
00:31:08,241 --> 00:31:10,482
God, I just pray
that you would just...
584
00:31:10,482 --> 00:31:12,517
-just help him, Lord Jesus.
-[Michael sobbing]
585
00:31:14,689 --> 00:31:15,965
Please just help him.
586
00:31:16,793 --> 00:31:17,758
Please.
587
00:31:18,482 --> 00:31:20,103
Lord Jesus in Eden.
588
00:31:23,551 --> 00:31:24,551
Thank you.
589
00:31:26,655 --> 00:31:28,000
This is how we get free.
590
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:35,827
[Natalia] I just want you
to know something else.
591
00:31:38,103 --> 00:31:40,655
It was not easy
to forgive you.
592
00:31:45,137 --> 00:31:46,172
It wasn't.
593
00:31:47,034 --> 00:31:48,068
That...
594
00:31:48,068 --> 00:31:49,862
That is a really
powerful scene.
595
00:31:49,931 --> 00:31:52,000
I mean, the...
I think the tears are real.
596
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,655
I think this is
what each side was hoping for,
597
00:31:54,655 --> 00:31:56,862
forgiveness and an apology.
598
00:31:58,758 --> 00:31:59,862
But...
599
00:31:59,862 --> 00:32:01,689
One of the unresolved issues
600
00:32:01,689 --> 00:32:04,655
is that Natalia wants to know
why she was re-aged.
601
00:32:07,586 --> 00:32:10,000
It's still so painful for her.
602
00:32:10,793 --> 00:32:12,655
But it's one area
603
00:32:12,724 --> 00:32:15,068
that Michael says
is completely off limits.
604
00:32:17,896 --> 00:32:18,862
So...
605
00:32:18,931 --> 00:32:21,551
Did Natalia
really forgive him?
606
00:32:22,655 --> 00:32:25,034
Or is it a ruse
to get information
607
00:32:25,034 --> 00:32:27,103
for a possible civil suit
608
00:32:27,103 --> 00:32:28,241
and trial down the road?
609
00:32:36,034 --> 00:32:37,034
[Michael sighs]
610
00:32:39,172 --> 00:32:40,448
This was hard.
611
00:32:42,862 --> 00:32:43,862
But...
612
00:32:44,793 --> 00:32:46,448
I'm willing to do it.
613
00:32:47,482 --> 00:32:50,137
'Cause everybody deserves
a second chance.
614
00:32:50,137 --> 00:32:52,344
Everybody deserves a time...
615
00:32:52,344 --> 00:32:54,241
to admit their faults
and be forgiven.
616
00:32:56,482 --> 00:32:57,517
I appreciate that.
617
00:32:58,896 --> 00:33:02,172
I hope you have nothing
but a happy existence
618
00:33:02,172 --> 00:33:03,758
and it seems like
you have that.
619
00:33:04,103 --> 00:33:05,103
I am okay.
620
00:33:05,551 --> 00:33:06,965
I'm glad you're okay.
621
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,172
Ever since I met my parents,
622
00:33:09,172 --> 00:33:12,000
they let me have
the childhood that I needed.
623
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:13,655
They're the ones
that got me through
624
00:33:13,655 --> 00:33:15,000
the things
that I went through.
625
00:33:15,482 --> 00:33:17,758
And I pray that...
626
00:33:18,344 --> 00:33:19,724
your life gets easier too.
627
00:33:24,896 --> 00:33:26,241
Gotta do this...
628
00:33:26,310 --> 00:33:27,155
I can't bend.
629
00:33:27,155 --> 00:33:28,000
-I can't put my...
-I know you can't.
630
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:29,551
Or we... We can just...
Watch this.
631
00:33:29,551 --> 00:33:31,241
Do that and then
we're in here,
632
00:33:31,241 --> 00:33:32,344
and then we're there.
633
00:33:32,344 --> 00:33:33,862
And I'll slap that for ya.
634
00:33:33,931 --> 00:33:35,137
[chuckles] Thanks.
635
00:33:36,379 --> 00:33:39,655
At first, like, I was
very upset with him
and, you know,
636
00:33:39,724 --> 00:33:41,758
it was just very hard
to be able to forgive Michael.
637
00:33:41,758 --> 00:33:44,000
And honestly, I wish
I could've been able
to talk to him more
638
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:45,172
about the re-aging.
639
00:33:45,896 --> 00:33:47,068
But at the end of the day...
640
00:33:47,758 --> 00:33:49,586
he apologized.
641
00:33:49,586 --> 00:33:51,655
Everybody deserves peace
in their life.
642
00:33:53,586 --> 00:33:55,448
[Michael] It's extremely nice
to know
643
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:57,551
that there is...
644
00:33:57,551 --> 00:34:02,068
no mental daggers
coming from her side to me.
645
00:34:03,241 --> 00:34:04,241
[sighs]
646
00:34:06,551 --> 00:34:07,551
Forgiveness is good.
647
00:34:08,862 --> 00:34:10,172
Forgiveness wipes it all away.
648
00:34:13,275 --> 00:34:14,241
All right.
649
00:34:19,585 --> 00:34:22,620
[rock song
playing indistinctly]
650
00:34:23,965 --> 00:34:28,344
♪ Until you care about
651
00:34:28,344 --> 00:34:30,344
♪ Care about
652
00:34:30,344 --> 00:34:33,310
♪ You care about
653
00:34:33,688 --> 00:34:35,585
♪ Care about
654
00:34:35,585 --> 00:34:37,551
[music recedes]
655
00:34:51,896 --> 00:34:54,068
[chuckling]
656
00:34:54,068 --> 00:34:56,757
It's my adoption day
and I'm so excited.
657
00:34:57,655 --> 00:34:58,655
Um...
658
00:34:59,689 --> 00:35:02,172
It's been a long time coming.
659
00:35:02,862 --> 00:35:03,965
This...
660
00:35:03,965 --> 00:35:05,241
is my adoption board.
661
00:35:05,896 --> 00:35:07,241
Let's do a countdown.
662
00:35:07,310 --> 00:35:08,241
[laughs] It's great.
663
00:35:08,310 --> 00:35:10,172
I mean, I'm at 0 days.
664
00:35:11,034 --> 00:35:12,034
[giggling]
665
00:35:12,379 --> 00:35:13,413
It's official.
666
00:35:15,586 --> 00:35:18,344
It has been
a really long journey.
667
00:35:18,586 --> 00:35:19,551
[grunts]
668
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:21,241
I have always wondered
669
00:35:21,310 --> 00:35:23,482
if I would ever be able to...
670
00:35:23,482 --> 00:35:25,413
find someone
that would actually love me.
671
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,000
But then
I met my parents and...
672
00:35:29,655 --> 00:35:31,758
it's been different
ever since.
673
00:35:31,827 --> 00:35:33,137
It's been a good different.
674
00:35:35,482 --> 00:35:37,758
This is the day that I close
the door on the Barnetts
675
00:35:37,827 --> 00:35:39,034
and never open it again.
676
00:35:41,965 --> 00:35:46,103
I was the girl
who came from Ukraine
677
00:35:46,103 --> 00:35:48,448
and a lot of stuff happened...
678
00:35:49,689 --> 00:35:50,931
that I wish didn't.
679
00:35:51,689 --> 00:35:56,000
But, I just want people
to remember me as...
680
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,241
someone who
was able to overcome
681
00:35:58,310 --> 00:35:59,551
what they went through.
682
00:35:59,620 --> 00:36:03,758
I was able to still move on
and just grow.
683
00:36:08,241 --> 00:36:09,758
All right. Up the ramp we go.
684
00:36:09,758 --> 00:36:10,793
[Cynthia] It's adoption--
685
00:36:10,793 --> 00:36:11,689
-[Antwon] It's adoption time.
-[Natalia] Okay.
686
00:36:11,689 --> 00:36:12,965
[Cynthia] Adoption day.
687
00:36:15,758 --> 00:36:17,172
You ready
to make this official?
688
00:36:17,172 --> 00:36:19,137
I'm very ready
to make this official.
689
00:36:19,137 --> 00:36:20,758
-Yes.
-Are you sure
you wanna do this?
690
00:36:20,827 --> 00:36:22,862
-Because you're stuck with us.
-Yeah.
691
00:36:22,931 --> 00:36:23,896
-Yes.
-You know what?
692
00:36:23,896 --> 00:36:25,862
Y'all stuck with me, so...
693
00:36:25,931 --> 00:36:27,241
-Yeah. [chuckling]
-We appreciate that.
694
00:36:27,310 --> 00:36:28,120
Yes.
695
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:29,344
-I love y'all so much.
-All right.
696
00:36:29,344 --> 00:36:31,862
-Let's go do this, baby.
-Let's do this.
697
00:36:31,862 --> 00:36:33,758
-[Cynthia] Come on. - [Antwon]
Let me get
the door.
698
00:36:34,793 --> 00:36:36,551
Oh, my gosh.
699
00:36:39,586 --> 00:36:40,551
I'm about to be adopted.
700
00:36:42,896 --> 00:36:43,931
Oh, my gosh.
701
00:36:44,793 --> 00:36:46,034
This is matter of the adoption
702
00:36:46,034 --> 00:36:48,137
of Natalia Grace Barnett.
703
00:36:50,172 --> 00:36:51,965
Natalia, can you raise
your right hand to be sworn?
704
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:53,379
Do you swear
or affirm the testimony
705
00:36:53,379 --> 00:36:54,965
you're about to give us
the truth, the whole truth,
706
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:55,982
and nothing but the truth?
707
00:36:55,982 --> 00:36:57,517
-I do.
-[Judge Barajas] You
may be seated.
708
00:36:59,103 --> 00:37:00,862
Trusting is not easy.
709
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:03,620
Especially when
you've been hurt.
710
00:37:05,103 --> 00:37:06,275
But...
711
00:37:06,275 --> 00:37:09,620
being adopted is...
is an awesome thing.
712
00:37:10,172 --> 00:37:11,172
It really is.
713
00:37:11,172 --> 00:37:14,000
Especially when you find
that perfect family.
714
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,241
You understand adoption
is supposed to be forever.
715
00:37:17,310 --> 00:37:18,586
-Yes.
-[Peter] Okay. Do you wish
716
00:37:18,586 --> 00:37:20,068
that this adoption be forever
717
00:37:20,068 --> 00:37:22,965
-as you sit here
in court today?
-Yes, I do.
718
00:37:22,965 --> 00:37:25,689
Okay. So there's a discrepancy
in your legal age
719
00:37:25,689 --> 00:37:27,137
and your biological age.
720
00:37:27,137 --> 00:37:28,758
Can you explain that to me?
721
00:37:28,758 --> 00:37:33,551
Um, the adopted family
that was before,
they changed my age.
722
00:37:34,379 --> 00:37:36,965
Uh, they was trying to claim
that I was an adult
723
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:38,551
even though I wasn't.
724
00:37:38,551 --> 00:37:41,655
[Judge Barajas] Okay.
So legally you are
33 years of age.
725
00:37:41,724 --> 00:37:42,758
Yes.
726
00:37:42,758 --> 00:37:43,965
[Judge Barajas] Okay.
So you're born in Ukraine.
727
00:37:43,965 --> 00:37:45,965
And what date does that show
that you were born?
728
00:37:46,551 --> 00:37:48,241
September 4th, 2003.
729
00:37:53,344 --> 00:37:54,689
Okay, so either way
you're an adult.
730
00:37:54,689 --> 00:37:57,241
You're either 19 years old
or some other number.
731
00:37:57,241 --> 00:37:59,068
-Yes.
-Okay. You may sit down.
732
00:37:59,689 --> 00:38:01,068
[speaking indistinctly]
733
00:38:06,344 --> 00:38:08,896
[Judge Barajas]
The court will find
that Natalia Grace Barnett
734
00:38:08,896 --> 00:38:11,413
consents to the adoption
in open court today.
735
00:38:12,862 --> 00:38:14,344
And that the petition
should be granted
736
00:38:14,413 --> 00:38:15,862
that the adult's name
737
00:38:15,862 --> 00:38:18,517
should be changed
to Natalia Grace Rene Mans.
738
00:38:19,758 --> 00:38:20,758
And that the petitioners
739
00:38:20,827 --> 00:38:23,689
Antwon Cori Mans
and Cynthia Marie Rene Mans
740
00:38:23,689 --> 00:38:26,344
from this day forward
shall be known as her parents.
741
00:38:28,551 --> 00:38:30,344
[squealing, giggling]
742
00:38:37,344 --> 00:38:38,862
[Natalia] I love you.
743
00:38:39,586 --> 00:38:40,551
[laughs]
744
00:38:42,965 --> 00:38:44,068
Daddy.
745
00:38:49,379 --> 00:38:50,655
[sobbing]
746
00:38:57,965 --> 00:38:59,241
Finally being adopted...
747
00:39:00,241 --> 00:39:03,793
to my family who has loved me
748
00:39:03,793 --> 00:39:06,137
and gone through
every roadblock
749
00:39:06,137 --> 00:39:08,965
and every stepping stone...
750
00:39:09,655 --> 00:39:11,448
and never gave up on me
751
00:39:11,448 --> 00:39:14,241
is the greatest feeling
in the world to me.
752
00:39:14,862 --> 00:39:16,586
Oh, my gosh. I love you.
753
00:39:16,586 --> 00:39:19,034
That's literally, like,
the happiest moment
754
00:39:19,034 --> 00:39:20,758
of my entire life.
755
00:39:21,862 --> 00:39:23,862
[Cynthia] I am the mommy.
756
00:39:23,931 --> 00:39:26,034
-I am the mommy. [laughing]
-[Antwon] Come on, buddy.
757
00:39:26,034 --> 00:39:28,172
Oh, my gosh. It's official.
758
00:39:28,172 --> 00:39:31,448
I have the adoption decree
right here.
759
00:39:32,103 --> 00:39:33,758
It's official!
760
00:39:40,448 --> 00:39:41,655
[laughing]
761
00:39:44,896 --> 00:39:46,896
My life, ever since
I was really little,
762
00:39:46,896 --> 00:39:49,551
I felt like, uh,
written out for me.
763
00:39:49,551 --> 00:39:52,655
Just like
a crazy, curious story
764
00:39:52,724 --> 00:39:55,000
of just, like,
many twists and turns.
765
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,344
And I had
no control over that.
766
00:40:01,448 --> 00:40:03,448
I had to learn
a lot of life lessons
767
00:40:03,448 --> 00:40:04,448
at a early age.
768
00:40:05,586 --> 00:40:08,896
But I will
forever embrace my past
769
00:40:08,896 --> 00:40:11,448
because I feel like
it made me stronger.
770
00:40:15,896 --> 00:40:18,655
I just wanna
stay focused on now
771
00:40:18,724 --> 00:40:20,448
'cause I have a lot
of big plans for my life.
772
00:40:24,275 --> 00:40:25,448
I'm gonna get my age changed
773
00:40:25,517 --> 00:40:27,103
back to the way
it's supposed to be.
774
00:40:27,103 --> 00:40:29,655
Go to school,
get my high school diploma.
775
00:40:29,724 --> 00:40:31,310
This is a new chapter...
776
00:40:31,689 --> 00:40:33,137
in the story...
777
00:40:33,137 --> 00:40:37,172
with just
endless possibilities.
778
00:40:39,103 --> 00:40:42,103
Book two is about
to be written by me
779
00:40:42,103 --> 00:40:45,275
and that book is gonna
be an amazing book.
780
00:40:45,275 --> 00:40:46,827
I already know. [laughs]
781
00:40:55,379 --> 00:40:57,862
[intense music playing]
782
00:41:32,689 --> 00:41:33,586
[Cynthia] Yeah.
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