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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:12,595 --> 00:00:13,972 (upbeat rock music) 4 00:00:14,014 --> 00:00:15,890 - [Narrator] It is the dawn of a new age, 5 00:00:15,932 --> 00:00:19,560 and your perception of sports is about to change. 6 00:00:19,602 --> 00:00:23,898 No bats, no balls, no sticks, no boundaries. 7 00:00:23,940 --> 00:00:25,566 From this day forward, 8 00:00:25,608 --> 00:00:29,028 the world and sports will never be the same. 9 00:00:29,070 --> 00:00:32,615 These are the Extreme Games. 10 00:00:32,657 --> 00:00:37,746 (upbeat music) (crowd cheering) 11 00:00:38,955 --> 00:00:39,914 - [{announcer] Drops in and makes entry 12 00:00:39,956 --> 00:00:41,791 with a 79 foot world record. 13 00:00:43,126 --> 00:00:47,755 (upbeat music continues) (crowd cheering) 14 00:00:47,797 --> 00:00:50,425 (crowd cheering) 15 00:00:50,467 --> 00:00:52,969 (light music) 16 00:00:56,306 --> 00:00:59,100 - [James] In 1974, I got my first skateboard 17 00:00:59,142 --> 00:01:01,936 from Weinstock's, the local department store. 18 00:01:01,978 --> 00:01:04,272 It was this Roller Derby X24. 19 00:01:05,315 --> 00:01:07,942 Like many skaters, I came from a broken home. 20 00:01:07,984 --> 00:01:10,778 I was the youngest of seven kids, and just after I was born, 21 00:01:10,820 --> 00:01:12,113 my dad left. 22 00:01:12,155 --> 00:01:14,240 I was a defiant, rebellious kid, 23 00:01:14,282 --> 00:01:16,617 and that skateboard was my ticket out. 24 00:01:16,659 --> 00:01:19,662 Out of a crazy household and into the streets. 25 00:01:19,704 --> 00:01:21,873 I would ride my skateboard down to Sierra Oak School 26 00:01:21,915 --> 00:01:24,292 where I would meet up with other skateboarders. 27 00:01:24,334 --> 00:01:27,086 The older kids would bring back stories of spots around town 28 00:01:27,128 --> 00:01:28,337 where there were hills, banks, 29 00:01:28,379 --> 00:01:30,882 and ditches that were being skated. 30 00:01:30,924 --> 00:01:33,468 I remember going on a field trip to Old Sacramento 31 00:01:33,510 --> 00:01:35,845 and seeing a group of older kids skating the embankment 32 00:01:35,887 --> 00:01:38,097 under the I-5 freeway there. 33 00:01:38,139 --> 00:01:40,433 That spot was called "Stoker Hill." 34 00:01:42,519 --> 00:01:44,103 The first skateboard shop to open up 35 00:01:44,145 --> 00:01:47,607 on the south side of Sacramento was Cal Central skateboards. 36 00:01:47,649 --> 00:01:48,941 On the north side of town, 37 00:01:48,983 --> 00:01:51,903 Don Bostick had opened up Skateboards ETC. 38 00:01:51,945 --> 00:01:54,322 That was where I bought my first real park board. 39 00:01:54,364 --> 00:01:57,700 This Brewer with Road Rider Fours and Bennett Pro Trucks. 40 00:01:57,742 --> 00:02:00,161 A couple of other shops popped up as well. 41 00:02:00,203 --> 00:02:01,954 Skateboard City on Auburn Boulevard 42 00:02:01,996 --> 00:02:04,457 and Cal Pro out in Citrus Heights. 43 00:02:04,499 --> 00:02:06,209 Then came the skateboard parks. 44 00:02:06,251 --> 00:02:07,960 First was Skateboard Palace, 45 00:02:08,002 --> 00:02:10,379 the poorly converted indoor rollerskating rink 46 00:02:10,421 --> 00:02:12,006 with roughly sculpted bowls, 47 00:02:12,048 --> 00:02:13,758 some of which were lined with pool tiles 48 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:16,219 that would pop off when you hit the coping. 49 00:02:16,261 --> 00:02:19,472 Then in 1977, the first real technical park 50 00:02:19,514 --> 00:02:22,850 opened up in Sacramento, Sierra Wave Skateboard Park. 51 00:02:22,892 --> 00:02:23,976 Cheer up little buddy. 52 00:02:24,018 --> 00:02:24,894 It gets better. 53 00:02:26,020 --> 00:02:27,980 That was the first time I saw them. 54 00:02:28,022 --> 00:02:29,857 They were the same kids from Stoker Hill 55 00:02:29,899 --> 00:02:31,192 and Skateboard Palace. 56 00:02:32,235 --> 00:02:33,444 I'd sit on the edge of the halfpipe 57 00:02:33,486 --> 00:02:34,737 and watch them do frontside airs, 58 00:02:34,779 --> 00:02:35,988 and all the radical maneuvers 59 00:02:36,030 --> 00:02:38,533 that I was seeing in Skateboarder Magazine. 60 00:02:38,575 --> 00:02:39,951 I was thinking to myself, 61 00:02:39,993 --> 00:02:41,828 "where did these guys learn to do all this?" 62 00:02:41,870 --> 00:02:43,704 "This park just opened." 63 00:02:43,746 --> 00:02:45,373 We had no idea that they had been riding 64 00:02:45,415 --> 00:02:48,000 empty swimming pools for years. 65 00:02:48,042 --> 00:02:49,127 Who were these guys? 66 00:02:50,003 --> 00:02:51,087 They were the N-Men. 67 00:02:52,672 --> 00:02:54,423 After the skate parks shut down, 68 00:02:54,465 --> 00:02:57,635 I'd see the N-Men at punk shows around Northern California. 69 00:02:57,677 --> 00:02:59,470 We'd party stay up all night night, 70 00:02:59,512 --> 00:03:00,638 and they'd tell us about all 71 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:02,640 the great pools they were skating. 72 00:03:02,682 --> 00:03:05,101 The only stuff being skated were backyard ramps, 73 00:03:05,143 --> 00:03:07,520 halfpipes like Mike Chantry's Mile High Ramp, 74 00:03:07,562 --> 00:03:10,064 or abandoned pools like the Tilt Pool. 75 00:03:10,106 --> 00:03:11,315 And if you were lucky, 76 00:03:11,357 --> 00:03:13,610 you'd find out about an underground N-Men pool. 77 00:03:14,986 --> 00:03:16,571 I eventually moved to Los Angeles 78 00:03:16,613 --> 00:03:18,865 and had completely lost track of the N-Men. 79 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:23,202 In 2005, after more than 25 years, 80 00:03:23,244 --> 00:03:24,412 I thought I'd look online to see 81 00:03:24,454 --> 00:03:26,747 if any of the N-Men were still alive. 82 00:03:26,789 --> 00:03:29,876 If anyone would be online, it would be Randy Katen. 83 00:03:29,918 --> 00:03:32,545 Sure enough, I found him right away. 84 00:03:32,587 --> 00:03:33,838 As I scrolled through his pictures, 85 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:35,590 I saw dozens of photos of Randy 86 00:03:35,632 --> 00:03:38,050 and all the N-Men still skating pools. 87 00:03:38,092 --> 00:03:39,719 They had never stopped. 88 00:03:39,761 --> 00:03:41,262 I hit Randy up and he got back to me 89 00:03:41,304 --> 00:03:43,139 as if we'd spoken the day before. 90 00:03:43,181 --> 00:03:45,308 "Jimmy, what's up?" 91 00:03:45,350 --> 00:03:47,185 No one is more stoked about life 92 00:03:47,227 --> 00:03:49,520 and skating than Randy Katen. 93 00:03:49,562 --> 00:03:51,230 He said he was gonna be down at the Soul Bowl 94 00:03:51,272 --> 00:03:53,816 Skate Contest in Huntington Beach with Don Bostick 95 00:03:53,858 --> 00:03:55,651 and he invited me to join them. 96 00:03:55,693 --> 00:03:57,945 I had no idea what to expect. 97 00:03:57,987 --> 00:04:01,115 When I got there, I couldn't believe what I saw. 98 00:04:01,157 --> 00:04:02,783 Bostick was running the whole event 99 00:04:02,825 --> 00:04:04,744 and the N-Men were there. 100 00:04:04,786 --> 00:04:06,454 All the greatest skaters in the world 101 00:04:06,496 --> 00:04:08,456 skating on Bostick’s stage. 102 00:04:08,498 --> 00:04:11,459 Sponsor banners, bleachers, crowds. 103 00:04:11,501 --> 00:04:12,835 It was the big time. 104 00:04:13,836 --> 00:04:15,171 Randy Katen had explained to me 105 00:04:15,213 --> 00:04:16,505 that when the skateboarding industry 106 00:04:16,547 --> 00:04:18,216 folded in the late seventies, 107 00:04:18,258 --> 00:04:20,384 the N-men helped keep skateboarding alive 108 00:04:20,426 --> 00:04:22,595 and inspired the Sacramento skate scene, 109 00:04:22,637 --> 00:04:25,598 and eventually spread all throughout Northern California. 110 00:04:26,891 --> 00:04:29,101 The N-Men pioneered street and vert contests, 111 00:04:29,143 --> 00:04:30,978 and had a hand in creating the skateboard 112 00:04:31,020 --> 00:04:33,606 and snowboard events for the X Games. 113 00:04:33,648 --> 00:04:35,942 Randy had also told me how some of the N-Men 114 00:04:35,984 --> 00:04:39,695 had gone on to become world champion skateboarders. 115 00:04:39,737 --> 00:04:41,864 I was completely blown away. 116 00:04:41,906 --> 00:04:44,825 I had no idea that I would spend the next 11 years 117 00:04:44,867 --> 00:04:46,202 documenting their story. 118 00:04:47,036 --> 00:04:49,580 (light music) 119 00:04:56,379 --> 00:04:58,547 - [John] "I'm not a criminal." 120 00:04:58,589 --> 00:05:02,093 "I'm not a wifebeater, an armed robber or a gay basher." 121 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:04,762 "I've never even packed a gun" 122 00:05:04,804 --> 00:05:06,639 "or aimed one of another person." 123 00:05:07,849 --> 00:05:09,350 "Yet the other day," 124 00:05:09,392 --> 00:05:11,602 "my girlfriend accused me of having a criminal mind." 125 00:05:13,146 --> 00:05:15,439 "I think I know what she's talking about. 126 00:05:15,481 --> 00:05:17,358 "I get nervous around cops. 127 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:18,318 "Paranoid. 128 00:05:19,110 --> 00:05:20,695 "I avoid asking them questions 129 00:05:20,737 --> 00:05:23,114 "or talking with them at all if I can help it. 130 00:05:23,948 --> 00:05:25,283 "Can you really blame me? 131 00:05:26,367 --> 00:05:28,244 "If you grew up skating empty swimming pools 132 00:05:28,286 --> 00:05:31,539 in Sacramento, California in the seventies, 133 00:05:31,581 --> 00:05:32,832 "you might do the same." 134 00:05:33,958 --> 00:05:36,544 "I'm convinced that's where it comes from." 135 00:05:36,586 --> 00:05:40,589 "Sacramento is an arid, hot, violent place." 136 00:05:40,631 --> 00:05:43,593 "Subject to long dry spells and water shortages." 137 00:05:44,927 --> 00:05:47,805 "As a result, hundreds of pools sit dry at any given time." 138 00:05:48,931 --> 00:05:50,933 "This is the story of those pools" 139 00:05:52,060 --> 00:05:54,061 "and the men who skated them." 140 00:05:54,103 --> 00:05:56,606 "The N-Men of Sacramento." 141 00:05:58,691 --> 00:06:01,902 (phone trilling) 142 00:06:01,944 --> 00:06:04,530 (phone beeps) 143 00:06:05,615 --> 00:06:08,326 - See if we can get a hold of them. 144 00:06:09,911 --> 00:06:12,913 (phone ringing) 145 00:06:12,955 --> 00:06:14,165 - [John] Hello? 146 00:06:14,207 --> 00:06:15,416 - Hey, John, this is James Sweigert. 147 00:06:15,458 --> 00:06:16,625 How you doing? 148 00:06:16,667 --> 00:06:17,626 - [John] Hey James, good. 149 00:06:17,668 --> 00:06:18,461 How are you? 150 00:06:18,503 --> 00:06:19,295 - Doing all right. 151 00:06:19,337 --> 00:06:20,838 Doing all right, man. 152 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:22,256 Just wanted to talk to you about doing a documentary, 153 00:06:22,298 --> 00:06:23,758 see if you were interested in being involved 154 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:27,136 and see if you'd talk a little bit about the N-Men 155 00:06:27,178 --> 00:06:28,888 and the original days of it all. 156 00:06:29,931 --> 00:06:31,307 - [John] Okay. 157 00:06:31,349 --> 00:06:33,434 In terms of formation of the N-Men 158 00:06:33,476 --> 00:06:36,562 that was something I came up with when I was, 159 00:06:36,604 --> 00:06:40,274 you know just a kid and it was in some ways a response 160 00:06:40,316 --> 00:06:43,569 to the fact that we were outsiders. 161 00:06:43,611 --> 00:06:45,613 We might as well really been in Montana, 162 00:06:45,655 --> 00:06:47,949 nobody gave a fuck about Sacramento. 163 00:06:49,033 --> 00:06:51,452 Although we still had great stuff to skate 164 00:06:51,494 --> 00:06:54,121 because Sacramento is the home of the empty pool, 165 00:06:54,163 --> 00:06:56,499 and as you know from the Dogtown thing, 166 00:06:56,541 --> 00:06:58,000 California had a drought. 167 00:06:59,335 --> 00:07:00,586 I mean, everything up there was completely dry, 168 00:07:00,628 --> 00:07:03,464 so we had incredible terrain to pick from 169 00:07:03,506 --> 00:07:05,341 and nobody was watching us. 170 00:07:06,342 --> 00:07:07,551 Then that led to the fact 171 00:07:07,593 --> 00:07:09,970 that we created our own sort of clique 172 00:07:10,012 --> 00:07:11,430 and that clique was associated 173 00:07:11,472 --> 00:07:13,516 with the people who skated the N-Bowl. 174 00:07:15,184 --> 00:07:19,230 Well, the original crew is myself and my brothers, 175 00:07:20,940 --> 00:07:25,444 Randy Katen, Gary Cross, a guy named Danny Grady. 176 00:07:25,486 --> 00:07:27,321 And then we had some other younger kids, 177 00:07:27,363 --> 00:07:30,616 we had the Maille brothers, we had a Curtis Bryant. 178 00:07:30,658 --> 00:07:32,994 My best friend at the time was a guy named Doug Jones 179 00:07:34,370 --> 00:07:36,831 and Doug Jones was a surfer, he is a black guy, 180 00:07:36,873 --> 00:07:38,541 built like a linebacker. 181 00:07:39,750 --> 00:07:41,377 - Where is he now, do you know? 182 00:07:43,004 --> 00:07:44,213 - [John] I do not know. 183 00:07:46,090 --> 00:07:47,591 But I don't think it's probably good 184 00:07:47,633 --> 00:07:49,009 wherever he is, you know. 185 00:07:49,051 --> 00:07:50,511 - Yeah. 186 00:07:50,553 --> 00:07:51,220 - [John] If he's even, you know, with us anymore, 187 00:07:51,262 --> 00:07:53,013 I don't know. 188 00:07:53,055 --> 00:07:54,891 - Hey, John, well thank you so much for your time 189 00:07:57,768 --> 00:07:58,686 and your generosity, you're quite the skate historian, 190 00:07:58,728 --> 00:08:01,313 so we'll talk again soon. 191 00:08:01,355 --> 00:08:02,106 - [John] Okay, thanks man. 192 00:08:02,148 --> 00:08:03,649 I hope that was helpful. 193 00:08:03,691 --> 00:08:05,109 - Very much so, thank you. 194 00:08:05,151 --> 00:08:06,444 - [John] Okay, take care. - All right, brother. 195 00:08:06,486 --> 00:08:08,362 Bye. (phone beeps) 196 00:08:08,404 --> 00:08:13,451 (car rattling) (cars whooshing) 197 00:08:14,911 --> 00:08:16,370 All right, girls. 198 00:08:16,412 --> 00:08:19,206 Donna, mom, I'm gonna go check out some old skate spots, 199 00:08:19,248 --> 00:08:20,666 Stoker Hill, 200 00:08:20,708 --> 00:08:24,211 and then go to the N-Men picnic barbecue skate session. 201 00:08:24,253 --> 00:08:25,171 - [Donna] I'll see you there later. 202 00:08:25,213 --> 00:08:26,714 - I'll see you girls later. 203 00:08:26,756 --> 00:08:28,966 (upbeat music) 204 00:08:29,008 --> 00:08:32,678 One of the things about skateboarding is 205 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:34,346 it's not how many tricks you do, 206 00:08:34,388 --> 00:08:37,183 it's how good you look doing the ones you can. 207 00:08:37,225 --> 00:08:38,851 We're in the Stoker Hill area. 208 00:08:38,893 --> 00:08:41,771 Stoker Hill was one of the first things I ever skated. 209 00:08:42,855 --> 00:08:44,064 Come on over here and let's look at this. 210 00:08:44,106 --> 00:08:47,359 This used to be all a big bank right here. 211 00:08:47,401 --> 00:08:48,861 So what we would do, 212 00:08:48,903 --> 00:08:52,323 we'd come down this hill usually as fast as you could, 213 00:08:52,365 --> 00:08:54,617 and we'd come and we'd ride up the bank, 214 00:08:56,911 --> 00:09:00,956 then back down, and that was skateboarding in 1974. 215 00:09:00,998 --> 00:09:03,751 Old Sac used to be Skid Row here. 216 00:09:03,793 --> 00:09:05,753 I mean, then the city decided to fix it up, 217 00:09:05,795 --> 00:09:08,672 and I'm glad because it's an awesome place. 218 00:09:08,714 --> 00:09:11,967 Old Sacramento is a piece of history that should be kept. 219 00:09:12,009 --> 00:09:13,969 This is where everybody showed up for the gold rush 220 00:09:14,011 --> 00:09:15,346 and headed up into the foothills. 221 00:09:15,388 --> 00:09:17,306 I mean, it's a big piece of history. 222 00:09:17,348 --> 00:09:19,600 It actually has a lower level that 223 00:09:19,642 --> 00:09:22,019 they built the streets up because of flooding. 224 00:09:22,061 --> 00:09:24,104 I mean, it's got a ghost town underneath it. 225 00:09:24,146 --> 00:09:27,107 It's a cool area, Sacramento, I'm glad they saved it. 226 00:09:27,149 --> 00:09:29,068 And this was where we went. 227 00:09:29,110 --> 00:09:30,819 There was very few places that we had 228 00:09:30,861 --> 00:09:34,240 where we could go down and find a bank that we could skate. 229 00:09:34,282 --> 00:09:38,118 We'd be down here for hours and hours and hours and hours, 230 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:41,622 skateboarding, and sometimes you, like me, I'm regular foot, 231 00:09:41,664 --> 00:09:43,791 so I'd push and do a front side, 232 00:09:43,833 --> 00:09:46,043 but you could come down here and hit this and go up 233 00:09:46,085 --> 00:09:50,839 and do backside and drag your hand and a lot of surf style. 234 00:09:50,881 --> 00:09:52,466 And that was my art back then. 235 00:09:52,508 --> 00:09:54,468 I mean, I'd been skateboarding for a few years 236 00:09:54,510 --> 00:09:55,970 and man, I was digging it. 237 00:09:56,012 --> 00:09:57,137 I was digging the flow. 238 00:09:57,179 --> 00:09:58,389 I was digging the groove. 239 00:09:58,431 --> 00:09:59,723 I was digging who I was hanging out with, 240 00:09:59,765 --> 00:10:02,476 and it was this group of guys that, 241 00:10:02,518 --> 00:10:03,978 they were my best friends back then. 242 00:10:04,020 --> 00:10:06,272 I mean, I was in high school and I had a few friends then, 243 00:10:06,314 --> 00:10:11,360 but we didn't see eye to eye on what we wanted to do 244 00:10:12,486 --> 00:10:14,572 or who we were or how we wanted to do it. 245 00:10:14,614 --> 00:10:19,493 I was the guy that used to pee in the football jocks locker, 246 00:10:19,535 --> 00:10:22,079 you know, I was that guy, right? 247 00:10:22,121 --> 00:10:23,664 We were the outcasts. 248 00:10:23,706 --> 00:10:26,375 We were the ones that no one associated with. 249 00:10:26,417 --> 00:10:28,002 So of course we're not gonna play football, 250 00:10:28,044 --> 00:10:29,003 baseball, or basketball. 251 00:10:29,045 --> 00:10:30,504 That sucks, right? 252 00:10:30,546 --> 00:10:33,173 At that point it was on to what can I do that's rad 253 00:10:33,215 --> 00:10:35,843 and this was it. 254 00:10:35,885 --> 00:10:40,890 (upbeat music) (skateboard clattering) 255 00:10:42,350 --> 00:10:44,018 - You know, it's kind of the whole seventies thing 256 00:10:44,060 --> 00:10:47,438 is kind of a mumble jumble for me. 257 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:50,357 At the same time, there was so much energy 258 00:10:50,399 --> 00:10:54,028 and there was a place in Sacramento in Old Sac. 259 00:10:55,321 --> 00:10:58,115 Stoker Hill underneath the freeway 260 00:10:58,157 --> 00:11:00,200 from Old Sac into Sacramento, 261 00:11:00,242 --> 00:11:03,245 and that's where I met Doug Jones, 262 00:11:03,287 --> 00:11:07,249 Gary Cross, God, there's numerous people, 263 00:11:07,291 --> 00:11:09,043 but that was the hangout spot. 264 00:11:09,085 --> 00:11:12,212 I kind of became a second dad for a lot of these kids, 265 00:11:12,254 --> 00:11:14,923 which me being in my late twenties, 266 00:11:14,965 --> 00:11:19,261 and these guys were all teenagers, young teenagers, 267 00:11:19,303 --> 00:11:21,347 and I wanna say there wasn't much 268 00:11:21,389 --> 00:11:23,641 parental guidance at that time, 269 00:11:23,683 --> 00:11:26,560 and we were just all stoked to be skating, so. 270 00:11:26,602 --> 00:11:29,605 - [Person] Don Bostick was like our elder and, 271 00:11:29,647 --> 00:11:32,107 you know, we're all kids, right? 272 00:11:32,149 --> 00:11:36,111 15, 16, and Don was already an adult in his twenties, 273 00:11:36,153 --> 00:11:38,280 but Don was all about the skateboarding, you know, 274 00:11:38,322 --> 00:11:41,533 at the skate shop, he's 100% skateboarder. 275 00:11:41,575 --> 00:11:44,161 (upbeat music) 276 00:11:44,203 --> 00:11:46,622 - I had a Dodge van and I got to where 277 00:11:48,124 --> 00:11:50,959 I was spending all my time down at Stoker Hill Skating, 278 00:11:51,001 --> 00:11:52,753 just getting back into it. 279 00:11:52,795 --> 00:11:55,923 - He used to take us around his old Dodge van, 280 00:11:55,965 --> 00:11:57,466 and he'd load eight kids up in there 281 00:11:57,508 --> 00:11:59,385 and he'd like pick 'em up on a milk run and go to, 282 00:11:59,427 --> 00:12:01,804 you know, like APTOS for a two day contest. 283 00:12:01,846 --> 00:12:04,515 We pull up to a gas station or whatever to fill up the gas, 284 00:12:04,557 --> 00:12:07,267 and we'd all pile out the door of his old Dodge van 285 00:12:07,309 --> 00:12:08,769 and just skateboard everywhere. 286 00:12:08,811 --> 00:12:10,771 You know, like just mayhem. 287 00:12:10,813 --> 00:12:12,022 (upbeat music continues) 288 00:12:12,064 --> 00:12:15,275 - Don was a real, true, hardcore skateboarder. 289 00:12:15,317 --> 00:12:16,777 I mean I couldn't believe it. 290 00:12:16,819 --> 00:12:19,697 He did some gnarly stuff and he used to slam too. 291 00:12:19,739 --> 00:12:21,448 He was a big boy. 292 00:12:21,490 --> 00:12:25,494 - To us as kids, he was already old, but he ripped. 293 00:12:25,536 --> 00:12:28,664 And we knew that he went to the 1965 world contest, 294 00:12:28,706 --> 00:12:30,708 and we knew that he was down for life 295 00:12:30,750 --> 00:12:32,876 because he was always broken. 296 00:12:32,918 --> 00:12:34,837 He always had broken arms and shit. 297 00:12:34,879 --> 00:12:37,673 Every time I ever saw Bostick at Sierra Wave, 298 00:12:37,715 --> 00:12:39,091 fucking gnarled, 299 00:12:39,133 --> 00:12:42,177 broken, scabs, whatever, fucking down. 300 00:12:42,219 --> 00:12:44,763 (upbeat music continues) 301 00:12:44,805 --> 00:12:48,559 - But I remember Doug telling us one day 302 00:12:49,894 --> 00:12:52,146 about, "I found a pool." 303 00:12:52,188 --> 00:12:55,065 "Dude, this pool is rad!" 304 00:12:56,901 --> 00:12:58,694 "It's a kidney" 305 00:12:58,736 --> 00:13:01,322 "and it's like a block from my house, dude." 306 00:13:02,406 --> 00:13:03,866 "You gotta check it out, you know." 307 00:13:03,908 --> 00:13:06,744 - We always skated pools just like the Z-Boys would. 308 00:13:06,786 --> 00:13:10,164 And there was a pool that was down in the gardens. 309 00:13:10,206 --> 00:13:11,915 Gardens is the south area. 310 00:13:11,957 --> 00:13:13,667 Doug Jones lived over there, 311 00:13:13,709 --> 00:13:15,919 and he had found this pool over there. 312 00:13:15,961 --> 00:13:18,964 He called that pool, "the N Bowl." 313 00:13:19,006 --> 00:13:22,217 - We had this pool called the N Bowl, okay? 314 00:13:22,259 --> 00:13:25,971 And it was out in the worst fucking neighborhood in town. 315 00:13:26,013 --> 00:13:28,348 You know, to be rolling around in that neighborhood 316 00:13:28,390 --> 00:13:30,517 when I was 14 years old was fucking 317 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:32,978 taking your life in your hands, bro. 318 00:13:33,020 --> 00:13:35,022 - But then Doug goes, "yeah, we got this pool", 319 00:13:35,064 --> 00:13:36,398 "you know, by my house." 320 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:37,941 And it was off of Tamoshanter. 321 00:13:37,983 --> 00:13:39,443 Let's hop on the bus. 322 00:13:39,485 --> 00:13:42,488 Let's take the 62 to Florin Road and see what's going on, 323 00:13:42,530 --> 00:13:44,865 and there it was, the N Bowl. 324 00:13:44,907 --> 00:13:48,035 Three feet of transition and six feet of verticals. 325 00:13:48,077 --> 00:13:50,078 (Thomas chuckles) 326 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:52,706 And that was the first pool we really ever skated. 327 00:13:52,748 --> 00:13:56,585 I mean, that was where it all... the core of it, you know? 328 00:13:57,753 --> 00:14:00,005 - When I first started coming up and you know, 329 00:14:00,047 --> 00:14:01,340 I was staying at Doug's house, 330 00:14:01,382 --> 00:14:03,717 occasionally staying at John O'shei's house, 331 00:14:03,759 --> 00:14:05,719 but I think in the life of the N Bowl, 332 00:14:05,761 --> 00:14:08,555 it was a legend in its own time already. 333 00:14:08,597 --> 00:14:11,183 You know, it didn't last forever, but it was... 334 00:14:11,225 --> 00:14:12,684 You know, eventually, what I really remember 335 00:14:12,726 --> 00:14:15,145 is it's a pretty dangerous place to be at one point. 336 00:14:16,438 --> 00:14:18,440 - And I can tell you stories of being in a pool 337 00:14:18,482 --> 00:14:22,236 and all of a sudden I get showered with rocks, okay? 338 00:14:22,278 --> 00:14:24,154 Bricks, it could have killed us, bro. 339 00:14:24,196 --> 00:14:26,406 But if I had Jones with me, 340 00:14:26,448 --> 00:14:28,492 you know, that was a whole different story. 341 00:14:28,534 --> 00:14:30,244 And so Jones and I hit it off great, 342 00:14:30,286 --> 00:14:33,455 because, even though he rode for Skateboards ETC, 343 00:14:33,497 --> 00:14:36,250 you know, where he lived was down where I lived, okay? 344 00:14:36,292 --> 00:14:38,585 So we were naturals like that. 345 00:14:38,627 --> 00:14:40,921 - When he would tell the other skaters, 346 00:14:40,963 --> 00:14:43,799 "Hey man, come skate the N Bowl with us." 347 00:14:43,841 --> 00:14:44,758 You know? 348 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:46,927 And we just kind of ran with it. 349 00:14:46,969 --> 00:14:49,763 (bright somber music) 350 00:14:49,805 --> 00:14:51,098 - The N-Men are the N-Men, 351 00:14:51,140 --> 00:14:54,768 and John O'Shei is N-Men to me and Doug Jones, 352 00:14:54,810 --> 00:14:56,311 he's right in there with them too. 353 00:14:56,353 --> 00:14:59,022 When I saw Doug skate and do like these micro edgers 354 00:14:59,064 --> 00:15:02,651 in the Sierra Wave, I'm just like, "oh my God!" 355 00:15:02,693 --> 00:15:04,403 - It didn't start out as the N-Men 356 00:15:04,445 --> 00:15:07,364 with this huge encompassing family. 357 00:15:07,406 --> 00:15:12,494 It was 8, 10, 12 guys, the hardcore N-Men. 358 00:15:13,287 --> 00:15:14,413 - We decided that we were gonna 359 00:15:14,455 --> 00:15:15,622 be called the N-Men at that time. 360 00:15:15,664 --> 00:15:18,417 It was like, it was Doug Jones, John O'Shei, 361 00:15:18,459 --> 00:15:21,461 Ross O'Shei, Roland Bennett. 362 00:15:21,503 --> 00:15:25,966 - Curtis Bryant, Grady, Wiggins. 363 00:15:26,008 --> 00:15:30,470 - Morehouse, barefoot on a Black Bonsai 364 00:15:30,512 --> 00:15:33,307 with Brewer Cone Wheels. 365 00:15:33,349 --> 00:15:37,644 - Those guys were scary, especially Katen and Morehouse 366 00:15:37,686 --> 00:15:39,146 and Doug Jones. 367 00:15:39,188 --> 00:15:41,273 They were kind of like, even though they're the same, 368 00:15:41,315 --> 00:15:42,733 basically the same age, 369 00:15:42,775 --> 00:15:46,486 I was like this like kid from Little Hick-townville, 370 00:15:46,528 --> 00:15:50,366 and these guys were like the players of the area. 371 00:15:53,243 --> 00:15:56,455 - As you start really delving into this, 372 00:15:57,915 --> 00:16:00,960 where it actually started and who actually started. 373 00:16:02,169 --> 00:16:04,004 They'll go back and forth on it. 374 00:16:04,046 --> 00:16:07,007 Doug Jones, which big black guy, he's in prison 375 00:16:07,049 --> 00:16:08,175 or wherever the fuck Doug's at. 376 00:16:08,217 --> 00:16:10,552 He's like MIA, nobody could find him. 377 00:16:10,594 --> 00:16:13,055 And John O'Shei. 378 00:16:13,097 --> 00:16:14,306 These were the OGs. 379 00:16:14,348 --> 00:16:16,975 These were the guys that really started it. 380 00:16:17,017 --> 00:16:19,353 (somber music) (skateboard clattering) 381 00:16:19,395 --> 00:16:20,562 - [James] Randy Katen had mentioned 382 00:16:20,604 --> 00:16:21,939 that there was an amateur photographer 383 00:16:21,981 --> 00:16:24,608 who had taken many early photos of the N-Men. 384 00:16:24,650 --> 00:16:26,360 His name was Bill Golding. 385 00:16:27,778 --> 00:16:29,529 They had lost track of him, and no one had heard 386 00:16:29,571 --> 00:16:31,281 from him for over 30 years. 387 00:16:33,075 --> 00:16:35,410 After we started filming, Randy began calling 388 00:16:35,452 --> 00:16:37,746 every Bill Golding in the Western Hemisphere. 389 00:16:39,206 --> 00:16:43,502 - I get a phone call and I answered, "hello?" 390 00:16:43,544 --> 00:16:44,962 "Well, this is Randy Katen." 391 00:16:45,004 --> 00:16:46,421 I said, "yeah." 392 00:16:46,463 --> 00:16:48,131 He said, "are you the bill that you still live", 393 00:16:48,173 --> 00:16:50,175 "Golding, that used to live in Sacramento" 394 00:16:50,217 --> 00:16:51,426 "and took all the skateboard pictures?" 395 00:16:51,468 --> 00:16:54,638 And I said, and he said, "if you are, tell me." 396 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:57,182 "If you're not, tell me that too, so I can keep looking." 397 00:16:57,224 --> 00:16:58,934 I said, "no, that's me." 398 00:17:00,310 --> 00:17:01,895 - [James] We asked Bill if he still had any of those photos 399 00:17:01,937 --> 00:17:04,106 that he had taken of the N-Men. 400 00:17:04,148 --> 00:17:05,524 He had them all. 401 00:17:05,566 --> 00:17:08,694 They had sat in a box for more than 30 years. 402 00:17:09,570 --> 00:17:10,737 I'm grateful to Bill Golding 403 00:17:10,779 --> 00:17:12,489 and his son Michael for allowing us to share 404 00:17:12,531 --> 00:17:15,534 these never before seen photographs. 405 00:17:15,576 --> 00:17:19,329 (somber music continues) 406 00:17:19,371 --> 00:17:21,665 - Well, it was just to try to stop the action. 407 00:17:21,707 --> 00:17:23,375 I mean, skateboarding is so quick 408 00:17:23,417 --> 00:17:26,503 that the mind's eye can't remember what you just saw, 409 00:17:27,546 --> 00:17:29,631 but a photograph will stop it forever. 410 00:17:31,216 --> 00:17:34,594 I've always been partial to stills 411 00:17:34,636 --> 00:17:37,306 over video because of that. 412 00:17:39,641 --> 00:17:41,268 It's a split second out of time 413 00:17:41,310 --> 00:17:44,312 that your mind doesn't register that, you know, 414 00:17:44,354 --> 00:17:47,149 but it still will hold it for you forever. 415 00:17:48,484 --> 00:17:51,487 I just enjoy being able to share it with people, you know, 416 00:17:52,529 --> 00:17:54,781 that was something that I did and I liked, 417 00:17:54,823 --> 00:17:57,826 and when I go, maybe I left something behind 418 00:17:57,868 --> 00:18:01,872 that was good, you know. 419 00:18:03,207 --> 00:18:06,376 You always wanna think that your life was something, 420 00:18:06,418 --> 00:18:08,295 you did something right, You know? 421 00:18:08,337 --> 00:18:11,548 I've always liked the action stuff, you know, 422 00:18:11,590 --> 00:18:16,678 like I said, stuff is a moment at a time, 423 00:18:18,013 --> 00:18:22,351 and that's what's always driven me to shoot pictures 424 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:26,938 in order to create those moments 425 00:18:26,980 --> 00:18:29,649 and keep 'em forever, you know? 426 00:18:29,691 --> 00:18:33,653 So I'm real happy that somebody's gonna do something 427 00:18:33,695 --> 00:18:37,324 and maybe other people, they'll get to see this stuff 428 00:18:37,366 --> 00:18:40,577 and not just, you know, people I know. 429 00:18:40,619 --> 00:18:41,828 (somber music continues) 430 00:18:41,870 --> 00:18:43,789 - [James] In addition to the N-Men photographs, 431 00:18:43,831 --> 00:18:46,833 Golding's archives also include these unpublished shots 432 00:18:46,875 --> 00:18:50,587 of Steve Caballero and Dogtown Legends, Tony Alva, 433 00:18:51,380 --> 00:18:54,800 Stacy Peralta, and Shogo Kubo. 434 00:18:56,218 --> 00:18:59,513 - I was amazed when I saw these guys after 30 years 435 00:18:59,555 --> 00:19:00,430 and they're still doing it. 436 00:19:00,472 --> 00:19:02,015 I'm going, "oh my God." 437 00:19:03,225 --> 00:19:04,101 - [James] When was the first time 438 00:19:04,143 --> 00:19:05,519 you ever heard of the N-Men? 439 00:19:05,561 --> 00:19:06,770 - Oh, I don't know. 440 00:19:06,812 --> 00:19:11,024 Back then, I think I was aware of them, 441 00:19:11,066 --> 00:19:13,360 but it didn't really mean much to me. 442 00:19:13,402 --> 00:19:15,362 You know, it was just... 443 00:19:15,404 --> 00:19:17,781 Skateboarders were always making up stories 444 00:19:17,823 --> 00:19:20,409 and trying to be something. 445 00:19:23,078 --> 00:19:24,288 - [Person] Yeah, Bryce! 446 00:19:26,540 --> 00:19:27,541 (crowd cheering) - [Person] yeah! 447 00:19:31,170 --> 00:19:32,337 - [Person] Yeah, Bryce! 448 00:19:32,379 --> 00:19:35,966 - I first met the N-Men, or knew of the N-Men 449 00:19:36,008 --> 00:19:39,845 seeing Randy Katen skate at Winchester Skateboard Park. 450 00:19:39,887 --> 00:19:41,638 This was in like 1978. 451 00:19:42,764 --> 00:19:44,933 There was a Hester Pool series contest 452 00:19:44,975 --> 00:19:48,395 that happened and that's where all the top pros 453 00:19:48,437 --> 00:19:50,772 came from Southern California and Northern California, 454 00:19:50,814 --> 00:19:52,983 and Randy Katen was there. 455 00:19:53,025 --> 00:19:54,693 And that's the first time I ever heard N-Men. 456 00:19:54,735 --> 00:19:57,237 They had their whole scene going on. 457 00:19:57,279 --> 00:19:58,738 (groovy music) 458 00:19:58,780 --> 00:20:01,283 - So there was these guys that I met from Sacramento, 459 00:20:01,325 --> 00:20:04,411 Randy and Roger Folsom. 460 00:20:04,453 --> 00:20:07,330 And you know, I became friends with them, 461 00:20:07,372 --> 00:20:10,584 and those guys were gnarly and radical. 462 00:20:10,626 --> 00:20:12,711 For sure, they had their own style. 463 00:20:12,753 --> 00:20:14,754 I remember Randy was like one of the skaters 464 00:20:14,796 --> 00:20:17,257 that would charge so hard that he would just get super high 465 00:20:17,299 --> 00:20:21,052 on the largest four foot extension, so another four feet up. 466 00:20:21,094 --> 00:20:23,931 And I just remember him just charging it super hard. 467 00:20:25,307 --> 00:20:29,102 At that time, we had our own like little NorCal series, 468 00:20:29,144 --> 00:20:32,022 and I was part of the Campbell Skate Park team. 469 00:20:32,064 --> 00:20:34,482 We would travel to certain parks in Northern California, 470 00:20:34,524 --> 00:20:37,903 and one of the parks was Sierra Wave in Sacramento. 471 00:20:37,945 --> 00:20:40,030 That's the first time I met Don Bostick 472 00:20:40,072 --> 00:20:41,781 and Curtis, Curtis Bryant. 473 00:20:41,823 --> 00:20:44,868 Those were days before the Bones Brigade. 474 00:20:44,910 --> 00:20:47,621 I mean, those were the days before I met Stacy Peralta. 475 00:20:47,663 --> 00:20:51,208 It was about like a year prior to it, like '78. 476 00:20:51,250 --> 00:20:52,751 - [Person] Kind of like a parallel universe 477 00:20:52,793 --> 00:20:55,712 of what was going on in Venice and Santa Monica 478 00:20:55,754 --> 00:20:57,672 with the Z-Boys in Dogtown. 479 00:20:57,714 --> 00:20:59,466 Same thing was happening in Sacramento, you know, 480 00:20:59,508 --> 00:21:02,844 and it was really raw and undocumented. 481 00:21:02,886 --> 00:21:04,471 There was never an N-Men article 482 00:21:04,513 --> 00:21:07,057 or photos of those guys in the magazines. 483 00:21:07,099 --> 00:21:10,185 N-Men were infamous, just as infamous as the Zephyr Boys 484 00:21:10,227 --> 00:21:15,315 or any of the other cats that were out in the seventies. 485 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:18,276 - It started out really competitive 486 00:21:18,318 --> 00:21:21,780 and almost a lot of like animosity and almost contempt. 487 00:21:21,822 --> 00:21:24,741 The N-Men were a bunch of Hell's Angels of skateboarding 488 00:21:24,783 --> 00:21:27,494 that at one point were like looking at us Dogtown guys 489 00:21:27,536 --> 00:21:28,495 as just, you know what? 490 00:21:28,537 --> 00:21:30,163 Those guys are the enemy. 491 00:21:30,205 --> 00:21:31,998 - We'd go to these different skate spots 492 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:34,084 and there was certain guys that were real cool, 493 00:21:34,126 --> 00:21:36,503 like Dave Morehouse and Donald Morehouse, 494 00:21:36,545 --> 00:21:39,923 and they had that cool surf style and stuff like that. 495 00:21:39,965 --> 00:21:43,176 And as we started trying to develop our own style 496 00:21:43,218 --> 00:21:45,303 and we'd look in the skateboarder magazines 497 00:21:45,345 --> 00:21:46,596 and go, "you know what?" 498 00:21:46,638 --> 00:21:48,014 "They're cool, but we've got our" 499 00:21:48,056 --> 00:21:50,308 "own Northern California thing." 500 00:21:50,350 --> 00:21:55,314 (upbeat groovy music) (skateboards clattering) 501 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:02,737 - JK, Jamie Hart, Hudson, Goldman, and Blackheart. 502 00:22:02,779 --> 00:22:06,366 Caballero, all those guys from within that whole world. 503 00:22:06,408 --> 00:22:09,577 From Sacramento all the way down to Santa Cruz 504 00:22:09,619 --> 00:22:11,830 was pretty much NorCal. 505 00:22:11,872 --> 00:22:16,501 - I think the term N-Men, what it defines is northern, 506 00:22:16,543 --> 00:22:18,545 Northern Californians. 507 00:22:18,587 --> 00:22:20,714 (upbeat groovy music continues) 508 00:22:20,756 --> 00:22:25,093 - Kind of like Dog Bowl and Dogtown of Southern California. 509 00:22:25,135 --> 00:22:27,220 The N-Men were of Northern California. 510 00:22:30,223 --> 00:22:33,393 A lot of the Dogtown success come from the fact that 511 00:22:33,435 --> 00:22:35,228 they had access to the magazine, 512 00:22:35,270 --> 00:22:38,857 and Stecyk was an awesome writer. 513 00:22:38,899 --> 00:22:41,568 I mean, all those Dogtown Chronicle things, 514 00:22:41,610 --> 00:22:43,069 that's what we lived about, right? 515 00:22:43,111 --> 00:22:44,863 But we were up here doing the same stuff, 516 00:22:44,905 --> 00:22:46,156 going, "right on, man." 517 00:22:46,198 --> 00:22:47,615 "Love you guys," right? 518 00:22:47,657 --> 00:22:50,076 I mean, glad to see it's going on and glad, you know, 519 00:22:50,118 --> 00:22:52,662 it kind of fed us to be who we were. 520 00:22:52,704 --> 00:22:54,581 But you know, there's a time when we never 521 00:22:54,623 --> 00:22:56,624 said we wanted to be them. 522 00:22:56,666 --> 00:22:58,335 We had to have our own identity. 523 00:22:58,377 --> 00:22:59,627 - They're them, and they were getting all 524 00:22:59,669 --> 00:23:01,046 the coverage in the magazines 525 00:23:01,088 --> 00:23:03,006 and you see all these guys getting these flyaways 526 00:23:03,048 --> 00:23:04,758 and fucking they ain't pulling that shit. 527 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:06,259 And we're up here skating the same pools 528 00:23:06,301 --> 00:23:08,261 and having, you know, fun doing our own thing, 529 00:23:08,303 --> 00:23:10,847 but zero coverage because the two magazines 530 00:23:10,889 --> 00:23:13,725 are all from down there until Thrasher came out. 531 00:23:13,767 --> 00:23:15,268 You know what I mean? 532 00:23:15,310 --> 00:23:16,311 It was like, you know, if they're gonna be the boys, 533 00:23:16,353 --> 00:23:18,104 we're gonna be the men. 534 00:23:18,146 --> 00:23:19,814 - I think it was that way because a lot of times 535 00:23:19,856 --> 00:23:22,150 it was built up by the media too. 536 00:23:22,192 --> 00:23:24,027 And then it became like this north south thing 537 00:23:24,069 --> 00:23:25,403 and all this bullshit, because I think 538 00:23:25,445 --> 00:23:27,614 that's kind of what sold magazines too and stuff. 539 00:23:27,656 --> 00:23:29,741 You know, it made it interesting 'cause there's a rivalry, 540 00:23:29,783 --> 00:23:32,660 I'm here to say the N-Men were just as great, 541 00:23:32,702 --> 00:23:34,704 if not better than the Dogtown guys. 542 00:23:34,746 --> 00:23:38,958 They just had a different territory that was their zone 543 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,336 and they basically flourished, grew 544 00:23:41,378 --> 00:23:44,214 and continued to carry on the mission. 545 00:23:45,549 --> 00:23:47,258 - [Person] The N-Men were really guys that love 546 00:23:47,300 --> 00:23:48,843 that fountain of youth of skateboarding 547 00:23:48,885 --> 00:23:50,011 and they don't want to give up, 548 00:23:50,053 --> 00:23:52,180 and they want to attach to their youth 549 00:23:52,222 --> 00:23:54,808 and their teenage years of skating. 550 00:23:54,850 --> 00:23:57,268 And no matter how hard the slams are, 551 00:23:57,310 --> 00:24:00,897 you get up and you do it again, and again, and again. 552 00:24:00,939 --> 00:24:03,733 And yeah, you skate for life, skate forever. 553 00:24:03,775 --> 00:24:04,943 - I could just say straight up 554 00:24:04,985 --> 00:24:06,444 from a northern California perspective, 555 00:24:06,486 --> 00:24:07,946 even though I'm from the south, 556 00:24:07,988 --> 00:24:11,908 those guys were really, really like rough around the edges, 557 00:24:11,950 --> 00:24:13,660 really tough guys, you know? 558 00:24:13,702 --> 00:24:16,329 And being that tough and being that hardcore 559 00:24:16,371 --> 00:24:18,873 is an integral part of being a skateboarder. 560 00:24:18,915 --> 00:24:21,209 They were not gonna survive 561 00:24:21,251 --> 00:24:22,794 being like kind of lightweight and stuff. 562 00:24:22,836 --> 00:24:24,546 Those guys, they were heavyweights, 563 00:24:24,588 --> 00:24:27,340 heavyweights in the sense of like backyard pool skaters. 564 00:24:27,382 --> 00:24:30,260 They were actually riding the really hardcore stuff 565 00:24:30,302 --> 00:24:32,846 that they were finding that was totally illegal. 566 00:24:32,888 --> 00:24:35,181 - It's like the stories or the annals of skateboarding 567 00:24:35,223 --> 00:24:37,183 that everyone needs to know, 568 00:24:37,225 --> 00:24:38,852 and the N-Men were a big part of that. 569 00:24:38,894 --> 00:24:41,521 - The legend thing about the N-Men, you know, 570 00:24:41,563 --> 00:24:43,857 after quite some time is that they would 571 00:24:43,899 --> 00:24:48,987 actually come in disguise and drain pools 572 00:24:50,113 --> 00:24:52,365 under the, you know, N-Men Pool Service. 573 00:24:52,407 --> 00:24:53,867 - Gary and I, we used to look on 574 00:24:53,909 --> 00:24:56,369 the mosquito abatement list, right? 575 00:24:56,411 --> 00:24:57,871 - By the Friday paper and there would be 576 00:24:57,913 --> 00:25:00,373 like a list of abandoned houses with pools in 'em. 577 00:25:00,415 --> 00:25:01,875 - They were filled with water 578 00:25:01,917 --> 00:25:04,419 and they were online to have either the water drained 579 00:25:04,461 --> 00:25:05,795 or chemicals put into it. 580 00:25:05,837 --> 00:25:08,298 And so Gary and I would try to beat them, 581 00:25:08,340 --> 00:25:09,799 beat them to the punch, right? 582 00:25:09,841 --> 00:25:12,719 'Cause if it was a, a pool that was there available 583 00:25:12,761 --> 00:25:15,138 they usually had fences around it and stuff like that. 584 00:25:15,180 --> 00:25:17,557 And cross and I'd show up in his truck 585 00:25:17,599 --> 00:25:20,852 with the N-Men Pool Service logos on the side 586 00:25:20,894 --> 00:25:23,062 and we get outta the truck and the neighbors would look and, 587 00:25:23,104 --> 00:25:25,190 "oh, it's the pool guys!" 588 00:25:25,232 --> 00:25:28,776 (upbeat groovy music) 589 00:25:28,818 --> 00:25:29,736 And you know, show up in there 590 00:25:29,778 --> 00:25:30,987 with the pool pumps or whatever. 591 00:25:31,029 --> 00:25:32,113 And the neighbors go, "oh, thank God" 592 00:25:32,155 --> 00:25:33,072 "they're doing something with that." 593 00:25:33,114 --> 00:25:34,365 You know, finally, or whatever. 594 00:25:34,407 --> 00:25:37,076 - Legitimately drain your fucking pool, 595 00:25:37,118 --> 00:25:38,745 you know, the full suits, the everything. 596 00:25:38,787 --> 00:25:40,455 Like, "oh yeah, no, no, we're taking care of business here." 597 00:25:40,497 --> 00:25:42,582 "We're cleaning the pools," and, you know, and so forth. 598 00:25:42,624 --> 00:25:45,084 And skate 'em and rip 'em and then split. 599 00:25:45,126 --> 00:25:46,628 No one even knew what happened. 600 00:25:46,670 --> 00:25:48,129 It was fucking insane when I heard about that stuff like, 601 00:25:48,171 --> 00:25:49,964 what are you guys doing? 602 00:25:50,006 --> 00:25:51,174 I mean, that's hardcore. 603 00:25:51,216 --> 00:25:52,759 You don't get much more hardcore than that. 604 00:25:52,801 --> 00:25:54,928 (truck engine revving) 605 00:25:54,970 --> 00:25:56,387 - We put an ad, this is great. 606 00:25:56,429 --> 00:25:58,389 This is right after the X Games and Tony Hawk came out, 607 00:25:58,431 --> 00:26:00,225 and kind of cleaned our image up, right? 608 00:26:00,267 --> 00:26:02,185 It was the Tony Hawk generation. 609 00:26:02,227 --> 00:26:04,562 Here we go, Tony Hawk X Games, yay! 610 00:26:04,604 --> 00:26:05,813 We love Tony Hawk. 611 00:26:05,855 --> 00:26:07,482 We put an ad in the paper, said, 612 00:26:07,524 --> 00:26:09,442 "wanted backyard swimming pool to film" 613 00:26:09,484 --> 00:26:11,819 "professional skateboard documentary." 614 00:26:11,861 --> 00:26:14,197 I sat at my car wash and answered the phone 615 00:26:14,239 --> 00:26:18,117 like three times a day with these moms going, 616 00:26:18,159 --> 00:26:19,953 "I got a pool, come film!" 617 00:26:19,995 --> 00:26:23,957 And so we'd show up and Hunter or Bryce 618 00:26:23,999 --> 00:26:25,500 or someone would shoot some video 619 00:26:25,542 --> 00:26:27,043 and we'd bring some N-Men shirts, 620 00:26:27,085 --> 00:26:29,003 and a skateboard and some stickers. 621 00:26:29,045 --> 00:26:30,964 We'd hand them out and everybody would go, 622 00:26:31,006 --> 00:26:32,507 "what about the documentary?" 623 00:26:32,549 --> 00:26:35,343 I go, "we'll let you know whether it makes the cut." 624 00:26:35,385 --> 00:26:37,387 And we go on to the next pool. 625 00:26:37,429 --> 00:26:39,305 Gary Cross and I got fucking tired 626 00:26:39,347 --> 00:26:41,016 from skating so many pools! 627 00:26:41,933 --> 00:26:43,101 It's a great racket, man. 628 00:26:43,143 --> 00:26:46,062 I mean, it worked so well. 629 00:26:46,104 --> 00:26:48,439 - Some of the pools, like I said, we ended up like 99 pool. 630 00:26:48,481 --> 00:26:49,941 We ended up skating it for years. 631 00:26:49,983 --> 00:26:52,860 Like we just, like, somehow we saw it from the freeway 632 00:26:52,902 --> 00:26:55,071 and you know, talked, knock, knock, knock. 633 00:26:55,113 --> 00:26:56,948 And then, you know, like, oh, this nice old lady, 634 00:26:56,990 --> 00:26:59,450 you know, "oh great, that'll be so great to clean it up." 635 00:26:59,492 --> 00:27:00,952 You know? 636 00:27:00,994 --> 00:27:02,954 Before you know it, we're having barbecues in their backyard 637 00:27:02,996 --> 00:27:04,163 and they were like family, you know, 638 00:27:04,205 --> 00:27:06,624 we'd come over Christmas and give 'em stuff. 639 00:27:06,666 --> 00:27:09,335 - I first heard of the N-Men when they all came over 640 00:27:09,377 --> 00:27:13,339 and invaded my backyard because I had a ramp in my backyard, 641 00:27:13,381 --> 00:27:15,133 and somehow they heard about it. 642 00:27:15,175 --> 00:27:18,344 And it was just a quarter pipe and they all came over 643 00:27:18,386 --> 00:27:21,222 and I was kind of afraid of 'em, you know. 644 00:27:21,264 --> 00:27:25,727 - My dad growing up, what I remember is him skating pools. 645 00:27:25,769 --> 00:27:28,688 He would tell us, "alright, kids." 646 00:27:28,730 --> 00:27:32,817 "Look out and you yell five-O if you see a cop." (laughs) 647 00:27:32,859 --> 00:27:35,320 (hands claps) (Randy laughing) 648 00:27:35,362 --> 00:27:36,821 - Good stuff. 649 00:27:36,863 --> 00:27:39,866 - Here's the thing, and this is part of the code, 650 00:27:39,908 --> 00:27:41,826 when it comes to backyard pools and stuff like that. 651 00:27:41,868 --> 00:27:42,869 They're not gonna tell us about 652 00:27:42,911 --> 00:27:44,370 all their best spots sometimes. 653 00:27:44,412 --> 00:27:47,957 Every really good pool, every like really hot spot 654 00:27:47,999 --> 00:27:49,417 that Randy and those guys had. 655 00:27:49,459 --> 00:27:51,628 They weren't gonna share all that with us, dude, every time. 656 00:27:51,670 --> 00:27:53,046 Hell no. 657 00:27:53,088 --> 00:27:55,798 That was sacred territory to them. 658 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:57,425 And we were the same way. 659 00:27:57,467 --> 00:27:59,678 - Randy Katen had decoy pools. 660 00:28:00,470 --> 00:28:01,679 The decoy pools are the pools 661 00:28:01,721 --> 00:28:03,681 that you would send the kooks to. 662 00:28:03,723 --> 00:28:05,391 "Hey, Randy, you got any pools?" 663 00:28:05,433 --> 00:28:06,893 "Yeah, I got a couple." 664 00:28:06,935 --> 00:28:08,811 "They're over, you know, on Watt Avenue over there." 665 00:28:08,853 --> 00:28:13,066 And they were the ones that were not really skateable or bad 666 00:28:13,108 --> 00:28:14,233 So those were the decoys 667 00:28:14,275 --> 00:28:15,526 and you send the kooks to the decoys, 668 00:28:15,568 --> 00:28:16,944 and you skate the good stuff. 669 00:28:16,986 --> 00:28:20,740 - I know what the decoy pools are now, but back then, 670 00:28:20,782 --> 00:28:23,743 I'm sure we got sent to a hell of a lot of decoy pools 671 00:28:23,785 --> 00:28:26,871 because we were just trying to skate. 672 00:28:26,913 --> 00:28:28,706 And any empty pool in a backyard 673 00:28:28,748 --> 00:28:31,417 was like this, like adventure to us. 674 00:28:31,459 --> 00:28:33,753 And if it had those guys' names attached to it, 675 00:28:33,795 --> 00:28:37,048 like they found this pool, we were all over it. 676 00:28:37,090 --> 00:28:38,424 You know, they weren't even there. 677 00:28:38,466 --> 00:28:40,343 The pool sucked or whatever, but just their name. 678 00:28:40,385 --> 00:28:42,261 Or we'd maybe there'd be a Thrasher sticker 679 00:28:42,303 --> 00:28:45,431 on the tile or something and we would go, "they were here!" 680 00:28:45,473 --> 00:28:46,974 You know, or somebody would graffiti a word 681 00:28:47,016 --> 00:28:48,768 and we were like, "okay, those guys were here." 682 00:28:48,810 --> 00:28:50,311 "We're gonna try to rip this pool." 683 00:28:50,353 --> 00:28:52,939 "But it sucks, but they must rip it." 684 00:28:52,981 --> 00:28:54,440 You know? 685 00:28:54,482 --> 00:28:56,109 So it was all, again, this weird mystery, you know. 686 00:28:56,151 --> 00:28:58,945 - Empty pools back in the day, they were jewels. 687 00:28:58,987 --> 00:29:00,780 You don't just give your jewels away, you know? 688 00:29:00,822 --> 00:29:04,117 - And they would go up and they would rent the planes, 689 00:29:04,159 --> 00:29:07,620 you know, and fly over areas that they knew 690 00:29:07,662 --> 00:29:11,207 to either be abandoned or like after the fires, et cetera, 691 00:29:11,249 --> 00:29:12,625 and search out these pools. 692 00:29:12,667 --> 00:29:13,918 Yeah, incredible. 693 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:15,503 Yeah, those guys, they're, you know, 694 00:29:15,545 --> 00:29:18,715 they're from an era that doesn't exist anymore 695 00:29:18,757 --> 00:29:20,133 and they'll still do it. 696 00:29:20,175 --> 00:29:22,427 So if you have a pool, watch the fuck out. 697 00:29:23,762 --> 00:29:25,722 - The guys in Sacramento, the N-Men really were 698 00:29:25,764 --> 00:29:28,558 into finding pools and other things to skate 699 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:32,311 full pipes, reservoirs and ditches. 700 00:29:32,353 --> 00:29:34,814 I mean, it just never ended with those guys 701 00:29:34,856 --> 00:29:38,651 on what they thought up to be able to skate stuff. 702 00:29:38,693 --> 00:29:41,738 (upbeat rock music) 703 00:29:42,739 --> 00:29:44,949 - The Glory Hole experience. 704 00:29:46,409 --> 00:29:49,370 I've been going there for over 40 years. 705 00:29:49,412 --> 00:29:51,706 First time I went was in 1976 706 00:29:52,791 --> 00:29:54,375 and that experience hasn't changed. 707 00:29:54,417 --> 00:29:57,211 It's always been and every time I see it, 708 00:29:57,253 --> 00:30:00,965 including yesterday an amazing experience. 709 00:30:02,467 --> 00:30:06,763 - The quintessential skate adventure you could ever go on. 710 00:30:06,805 --> 00:30:09,265 - [Steve] Just driving across the valley 711 00:30:09,307 --> 00:30:10,933 and going up into the foothills, 712 00:30:10,975 --> 00:30:14,729 and finally getting to the dirty, dusty parking lot. 713 00:30:14,771 --> 00:30:18,191 - You got like about a half a mile to truck all this gear. 714 00:30:18,233 --> 00:30:20,943 You gotta go through this like big sluice rock area 715 00:30:20,985 --> 00:30:23,279 and then hike across a little high desert area. 716 00:30:23,321 --> 00:30:25,281 Then you get to another rock garden 717 00:30:25,323 --> 00:30:26,949 where you gotta watch out for rattlesnakes 718 00:30:26,991 --> 00:30:28,743 'cause they're usually one or two there. 719 00:30:28,785 --> 00:30:30,787 Once you get through all that, it's no big deal. 720 00:30:30,829 --> 00:30:32,371 We get to this one little launch point, 721 00:30:32,413 --> 00:30:35,249 we have to pull our rafts out and pump 'em up. 722 00:30:35,291 --> 00:30:38,044 - And that first glimpse coming around the corner 723 00:30:38,086 --> 00:30:40,296 and you see the Glory Hole. 724 00:30:40,338 --> 00:30:42,089 It gets me every time. 725 00:30:42,131 --> 00:30:44,383 How big and massive this thing is 726 00:30:44,425 --> 00:30:46,260 and really, you look at it and you're like, 727 00:30:46,302 --> 00:30:47,762 "it's too big to skate." 728 00:30:48,721 --> 00:30:50,264 - Everybody gets back in there 729 00:30:50,306 --> 00:30:53,017 and they sweep the whole entire pipe out now. 730 00:30:54,352 --> 00:30:56,354 - Blow the dam out, you sweep the water out, 731 00:30:56,396 --> 00:30:57,730 you build the dam back up 732 00:30:57,772 --> 00:31:00,108 and you're good to go for the entire day. 733 00:31:01,442 --> 00:31:04,654 - [Steve] Would say, you know, in the top five things 734 00:31:04,696 --> 00:31:07,406 you could possibly skate in the whole world. 735 00:31:07,448 --> 00:31:11,369 Anybody that ever skated the thing knows how rad it is. 736 00:31:12,787 --> 00:31:16,624 - [Marty] Everybody has this big smile effect, everybody. 737 00:31:16,666 --> 00:31:20,044 - People come from all over Reno and Los Angeles and Oregon. 738 00:31:20,086 --> 00:31:22,505 (stammers) It is the perfect scenario 739 00:31:22,547 --> 00:31:25,132 and it is a true adventure. 740 00:31:25,174 --> 00:31:27,260 - You have to be almost like a gorilla. 741 00:31:27,302 --> 00:31:29,136 You know, when it comes to skateboard spots, 742 00:31:29,178 --> 00:31:31,931 like if you're looking for pipes, ditches, anything illegal, 743 00:31:31,973 --> 00:31:34,141 if you're taking a risk and you've got a group of guys 744 00:31:34,183 --> 00:31:36,102 that you believe in, and I think those guys, 745 00:31:36,144 --> 00:31:37,562 their crew is tight, 746 00:31:37,604 --> 00:31:40,773 it's about keeping it grassroots and pure. 747 00:31:40,815 --> 00:31:44,277 And it's about success, having success. 748 00:31:44,319 --> 00:31:46,028 Pulling things off that other people 749 00:31:46,070 --> 00:31:48,239 are not really even capable of. 750 00:31:48,281 --> 00:31:50,616 - When you put yourself in danger and you go through it, 751 00:31:50,658 --> 00:31:53,536 you come out the other side feeling way more alive. 752 00:31:53,578 --> 00:31:55,997 And that, that's what life is about. 753 00:31:56,039 --> 00:31:58,040 Like, put yourself on the line. 754 00:31:58,082 --> 00:32:00,501 You go to the lip in that 12 foot pool, 755 00:32:00,543 --> 00:32:04,297 you drop in, you take that run 756 00:32:04,339 --> 00:32:07,133 down that big downhill that you're not sure 757 00:32:07,175 --> 00:32:09,302 you might just eat shit at the bottom. 758 00:32:09,344 --> 00:32:12,555 When you do that and you challenge yourself 759 00:32:12,597 --> 00:32:16,684 that's a real authentic experience, and it's worth doing. 760 00:32:16,726 --> 00:32:18,644 It's worth doing. 761 00:32:18,686 --> 00:32:23,733 (camera reel clicking) (skateboard clattering) 762 00:32:24,609 --> 00:32:27,403 (cars whooshing) 763 00:32:30,865 --> 00:32:33,159 - We started doing interviews about a year, 764 00:32:33,201 --> 00:32:34,660 year and a half ago, 765 00:32:34,702 --> 00:32:39,624 and, you know, some of the guys say that Doug Jones 766 00:32:40,959 --> 00:32:44,378 was the guy that came up with the name the End Bowl, 767 00:32:44,420 --> 00:32:47,632 which is what the N-Men was derived from, so. 768 00:32:49,050 --> 00:32:52,887 But you know, they, every time I brought up Doug Jones, 769 00:32:52,929 --> 00:32:54,597 asking these other guys, "Hey, where's Doug?" 770 00:32:54,639 --> 00:32:55,848 "What's up with Doug? 771 00:32:55,890 --> 00:32:57,475 "What's," you know, "how do we find him?" 772 00:32:57,517 --> 00:33:00,353 "Oh, yeah, yeah, Doug's, it's not good." 773 00:33:00,395 --> 00:33:02,688 They were always very evasive and kind of talking about it. 774 00:33:02,730 --> 00:33:03,898 - The rumors about Doug Jones 775 00:33:03,940 --> 00:33:05,566 been swirling around for years. 776 00:33:06,901 --> 00:33:11,322 The common wisdom was based on our experience with him 777 00:33:11,364 --> 00:33:13,282 and knowing him and, you know, he was a badass 778 00:33:13,324 --> 00:33:14,867 and maybe something bad happened. 779 00:33:14,909 --> 00:33:15,701 - [James] We're trying to find him. 780 00:33:15,743 --> 00:33:16,994 We're not sure if he's- 781 00:33:17,036 --> 00:33:18,371 - I don't, I'm... [James] Still alive or not. 782 00:33:18,413 --> 00:33:19,956 - I don't even know if... 783 00:33:19,998 --> 00:33:21,540 (laughs) You never know with him. 784 00:33:21,582 --> 00:33:22,500 - Yeah. 785 00:33:22,542 --> 00:33:23,709 But nobody's heard from him 786 00:33:23,751 --> 00:33:26,879 or been able to find him for 20 to 30 years. 787 00:33:26,921 --> 00:33:29,173 I got a text from Randy Katen on Monday. 788 00:33:30,258 --> 00:33:32,385 We found Doug Jones with exclamation points 789 00:33:32,427 --> 00:33:33,219 and I was like, "what?" 790 00:33:33,261 --> 00:33:34,762 "Oh my God!" 791 00:33:34,804 --> 00:33:37,181 So I called Randy right away and he said, "we found him!" 792 00:33:37,223 --> 00:33:38,557 I'm like, "well, where is he?" 793 00:33:38,599 --> 00:33:40,685 You know, I figured he'd maybe be in jail 794 00:33:40,727 --> 00:33:41,602 or prison or something, 795 00:33:41,644 --> 00:33:43,229 but he said, "he's in LA!" 796 00:33:43,271 --> 00:33:44,438 And I'm like, "what?" 797 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,065 "He's in LA?" 798 00:33:46,107 --> 00:33:47,733 You know, 'cause that's where we are right now. 799 00:33:47,775 --> 00:33:50,611 So, you know, immediately we got ahold of him. 800 00:33:50,653 --> 00:33:51,821 He popped up on Facebook. 801 00:33:51,863 --> 00:33:53,364 We got him on Facebook through his phone. 802 00:33:53,406 --> 00:33:58,453 I guess he's out obviously, and we're going to find him. 803 00:33:59,370 --> 00:34:03,624 (cars whooshing) (somber music) 804 00:34:07,962 --> 00:34:10,798 (car door thuds) 805 00:34:22,894 --> 00:34:25,271 (somber music continues) 806 00:34:25,313 --> 00:34:27,940 (car door beeping) (indistinct chatter) 807 00:34:27,982 --> 00:34:29,442 That's Craig and that's Hauny. 808 00:34:29,484 --> 00:34:31,527 - [Hauny] Hi! - How you doing, Craig, Hauny? 809 00:34:31,569 --> 00:34:32,695 - This is cool. - Yeah. 810 00:34:32,737 --> 00:34:33,779 - This is really, really cool. 811 00:34:33,821 --> 00:34:34,697 - Yeah, it really is. 812 00:34:34,739 --> 00:34:35,740 It's blowing my mind everything 813 00:34:35,782 --> 00:34:36,949 that's been happening, you know? 814 00:34:36,991 --> 00:34:38,200 - Yeah, no man, this is too cool. 815 00:34:38,242 --> 00:34:41,370 - You know, I called one guy and it just like, 816 00:34:41,412 --> 00:34:42,872 it just like it was a windfall. 817 00:34:42,914 --> 00:34:44,957 Everybody just started hitting me on Facebook, you know? 818 00:34:44,999 --> 00:34:47,626 And that was unbelievable. - [James] That's cool. 819 00:34:47,668 --> 00:34:51,339 - I didn't believe I was that missed. 820 00:34:52,423 --> 00:34:53,507 Right here. 821 00:34:53,549 --> 00:34:56,343 Motel. - [James] This one, Mi Casita? 822 00:34:56,385 --> 00:34:57,595 - [Doug] Yeah. - [James] Mi Casita Valley. 823 00:34:57,637 --> 00:34:58,554 - [Doug] Yes, the valley. 824 00:34:58,596 --> 00:35:01,098 (chuckles) Yeah. 825 00:35:01,140 --> 00:35:03,017 Let's pull all the way, go through the gate. 826 00:35:05,144 --> 00:35:06,520 (somber music) 827 00:35:06,562 --> 00:35:08,689 It's kinda sad what happened to me. you know, um... 828 00:35:11,859 --> 00:35:12,777 Um. 829 00:35:14,570 --> 00:35:18,699 I'd never hit the crack pipe in my life and um... 830 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:22,787 I'll never forget it. 831 00:35:22,829 --> 00:35:24,330 You know, I'm the kind of guy I go for it. 832 00:35:24,372 --> 00:35:25,539 I do everything. 833 00:35:25,581 --> 00:35:26,999 You know, when I was young, I try everything. 834 00:35:27,041 --> 00:35:29,168 You know, so I said, "here man, let me see that." 835 00:35:29,210 --> 00:35:32,838 And when I grabbed the pipe from him and he lit it for me, 836 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:36,175 the first words I remember saying was, "wow." 837 00:35:36,217 --> 00:35:38,386 "Marijuana doesn't have nothing on this." 838 00:35:40,555 --> 00:35:42,014 I didn't care about anything anymore. 839 00:35:42,056 --> 00:35:42,973 I didn't care about skateboarding, 840 00:35:43,015 --> 00:35:44,600 I didn't care about surfing. 841 00:35:44,642 --> 00:35:46,268 I didn't care about work no more. 842 00:35:46,310 --> 00:35:47,812 I didn't care about anything. 843 00:35:49,522 --> 00:35:51,357 All I cared about was getting high. 844 00:35:52,692 --> 00:35:54,735 Since then, my life's been in and out of prisons. 845 00:35:54,777 --> 00:35:58,864 In and out, the last 24 years, in and out of prisons. 846 00:35:58,906 --> 00:36:02,785 If I'm not doing six years, I'm doing a violation. 847 00:36:02,827 --> 00:36:05,580 Eight months, six months, 848 00:36:07,498 --> 00:36:10,626 10 months or three years. 849 00:36:10,668 --> 00:36:12,753 You know, I'm doing stretches like that. 850 00:36:12,795 --> 00:36:14,046 In and out, in and out. 851 00:36:17,300 --> 00:36:19,218 I've been in the deepest pits of hell 852 00:36:19,260 --> 00:36:21,846 that nobody, none of the N-Men could even imagine 853 00:36:23,347 --> 00:36:27,143 being shot at, being in filthy crack houses, 854 00:36:27,185 --> 00:36:30,229 being on Skid Row in downtown LA barefoot, 855 00:36:30,271 --> 00:36:32,648 selling your shoes to get a hit. 856 00:36:32,690 --> 00:36:35,568 You know, I've been in some bad situations 857 00:36:35,610 --> 00:36:37,445 and I don't want to go back. 858 00:36:38,613 --> 00:36:39,697 I want my life back. 859 00:36:41,115 --> 00:36:43,159 (somber music continues) 860 00:36:43,201 --> 00:36:45,619 Pretty much the end of my stay here. 861 00:36:45,661 --> 00:36:46,579 - [Hauny] How do you feel 862 00:36:46,621 --> 00:36:47,663 right now? - Huh? 863 00:36:47,705 --> 00:36:49,248 I feel happy. - [Hauny] You feel happy 864 00:36:49,290 --> 00:36:50,749 it's over? - I feel like 865 00:36:50,791 --> 00:36:53,336 I'm getting ready to start my life over officially. 866 00:36:54,712 --> 00:36:56,589 I'm gonna stay clean from here on out. 867 00:36:56,631 --> 00:36:59,717 You know, I want to build a relationship 868 00:36:59,759 --> 00:37:02,720 with all my skateboarding friends, the N-Mens. 869 00:37:02,762 --> 00:37:06,265 Steve Olsson, John O'Shei, you know, 870 00:37:06,307 --> 00:37:08,309 all my skateboarding friends. 871 00:37:08,351 --> 00:37:10,603 The Goat up in Santa Cruz, 872 00:37:10,645 --> 00:37:11,979 you know, Marty Rat, 873 00:37:12,939 --> 00:37:14,398 Randy Katen, 874 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,108 Roger Folsom. 875 00:37:16,150 --> 00:37:18,819 You know, we're the pioneers. 876 00:37:18,861 --> 00:37:21,364 We are really the pioneers of the N-Men. 877 00:37:22,198 --> 00:37:25,701 (somber music continues) 878 00:37:28,162 --> 00:37:31,457 (crowd cheering) - [Announcer] Steve Caballero. 879 00:37:31,499 --> 00:37:36,545 Let's hear it for him! (crowd cheering) 880 00:37:38,839 --> 00:37:40,633 - Sacked on the eighties moved fast. 881 00:37:40,675 --> 00:37:42,134 There was no shops again 882 00:37:42,176 --> 00:37:43,385 and there was like punk rock was going on and stuff. 883 00:37:43,427 --> 00:37:44,762 And then high roller hit, 884 00:37:44,804 --> 00:37:46,180 it was like a roller skate rental place 885 00:37:46,222 --> 00:37:47,681 that suddenly started carrying independent trucks. 886 00:37:47,723 --> 00:37:49,350 Then boards and then all of a sudden, 887 00:37:49,392 --> 00:37:50,809 Sam Cunningham and Mitch, 888 00:37:50,851 --> 00:37:52,311 and all those guys started working there. 889 00:37:52,353 --> 00:37:54,647 And that was the hub for the whole entire Sacramento area 890 00:37:54,689 --> 00:37:56,649 'cause suddenly we had a place to go to again. 891 00:37:56,691 --> 00:37:59,818 So that was early eighties and that's when street skating 892 00:37:59,860 --> 00:38:01,987 was it, because everything was closed down. 893 00:38:02,029 --> 00:38:05,116 (upbeat rock music) 894 00:38:06,701 --> 00:38:08,577 - Just the economy and what was there, 895 00:38:08,619 --> 00:38:10,955 what you had to ride and what you had to make happen. 896 00:38:10,997 --> 00:38:12,790 You had to make it happen yourself. 897 00:38:12,832 --> 00:38:14,750 Like there was no one gonna make a park, 898 00:38:14,792 --> 00:38:16,001 no one's gonna make a spot. 899 00:38:16,043 --> 00:38:17,336 You just rode what you could ride, 900 00:38:17,378 --> 00:38:19,213 any way you could do it. 901 00:38:19,255 --> 00:38:20,923 (upbeat rock music continues) ♪ He combs his hair 902 00:38:20,965 --> 00:38:23,425 - In the mid eighties, it started changing again. 903 00:38:23,467 --> 00:38:25,469 Ghost Skate came to town in '84. 904 00:38:26,554 --> 00:38:28,681 But all the pros came from all over the place. 905 00:38:28,723 --> 00:38:31,225 All the top pros came and skated 906 00:38:31,267 --> 00:38:33,352 in our little street skate zone and stuff like that. 907 00:38:33,394 --> 00:38:36,438 In Sacramento, in a grimy parking lot. 908 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:40,734 But that, I think even reinforced what Sacto was all about. 909 00:38:40,776 --> 00:38:43,946 Just skate anything, curbs. 910 00:38:43,988 --> 00:38:46,490 Just take what you got and just rip it 911 00:38:46,532 --> 00:38:48,450 because some of the pros were like at odds with it. 912 00:38:48,492 --> 00:38:50,035 Like, what is this? 913 00:38:50,077 --> 00:38:51,287 What are we supposed to do with this? 914 00:38:51,329 --> 00:38:53,247 You know, but we were just like, "pfft, skate!" 915 00:38:53,289 --> 00:38:54,081 "What's your problem?" 916 00:38:54,123 --> 00:38:55,249 You know? 917 00:38:55,291 --> 00:38:57,334 That became further the Sacto vibe 918 00:38:57,376 --> 00:38:58,919 and what Sacto got known for. 919 00:38:58,961 --> 00:39:01,213 Whatever it is, a curb at Denny's. 920 00:39:01,255 --> 00:39:03,882 Rip it, try to get a photo or something like that. 921 00:39:03,924 --> 00:39:05,342 You know, just whatever you got, 922 00:39:05,384 --> 00:39:07,886 shred it and just try to have as much fun as you can. 923 00:39:07,928 --> 00:39:09,763 Stoke everybody out. 924 00:39:09,805 --> 00:39:11,932 (upbeat rock music continues) 925 00:39:11,974 --> 00:39:14,560 - It's a lovely day here out in the country. 926 00:39:14,602 --> 00:39:16,937 We have lots of young fellows here today gathering. 927 00:39:16,979 --> 00:39:18,981 I think it's rather nice to see that 928 00:39:19,857 --> 00:39:21,275 we could have skateboarders 929 00:39:22,276 --> 00:39:24,320 and regular human beings gather together. 930 00:39:25,446 --> 00:39:27,156 - [James] Don Bostick was an early innovator 931 00:39:27,198 --> 00:39:30,826 of some of the very first skateboard and snowboard contests. 932 00:39:30,868 --> 00:39:33,203 He was the first skater to create contests 933 00:39:33,245 --> 00:39:35,581 the way skaters wanted them run. 934 00:39:35,623 --> 00:39:39,585 - Regardless of what any fucking buddy thinks, he knows. 935 00:39:39,627 --> 00:39:44,673 He and I started the official way contests 936 00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,344 in the modern era we're gonna run and happen. 937 00:39:48,386 --> 00:39:49,762 - [James] Don Bostick and the N-Men 938 00:39:49,804 --> 00:39:51,972 pioneered snowboarding in the Sierra Nevada 939 00:39:52,014 --> 00:39:53,474 long before any ski resorts 940 00:39:53,516 --> 00:39:55,434 would let you on a chairlift with one. 941 00:39:55,476 --> 00:39:58,354 While original N-Men, Mike Chantry and Tom Sims 942 00:39:58,396 --> 00:39:59,605 were putting on the first 943 00:39:59,647 --> 00:40:01,315 world championship halfpipe competition 944 00:40:01,357 --> 00:40:03,192 in Soda Springs, California. 945 00:40:03,234 --> 00:40:05,152 Don Bostick was up in Mount Shasta 946 00:40:05,194 --> 00:40:06,653 where he invented the very first 947 00:40:06,695 --> 00:40:08,614 slope style snowboarding event, 948 00:40:08,656 --> 00:40:11,116 which we still see in competitions today. 949 00:40:11,158 --> 00:40:12,868 - I get this phone call and this guy goes, 950 00:40:12,910 --> 00:40:14,244 "hi, this is Tom Cousins." 951 00:40:14,286 --> 00:40:15,371 "I'm the new president" 952 00:40:15,413 --> 00:40:17,081 "of the National Skateboard Association," 953 00:40:17,123 --> 00:40:18,540 "and we'd like to hire you," 954 00:40:18,582 --> 00:40:21,043 "and we'd like to send you to Hawaii for our first gig." 955 00:40:21,085 --> 00:40:22,252 You know? 956 00:40:22,294 --> 00:40:23,837 And I go, "who the hell is this?" 957 00:40:23,879 --> 00:40:26,590 And I hung up, you know, thinking it was Steve-O, somebody, 958 00:40:26,632 --> 00:40:28,008 you know, giving me some bullshit. 959 00:40:28,050 --> 00:40:30,260 30 seconds go by, the phone reads again, "hello?" 960 00:40:30,302 --> 00:40:31,678 "Don't hang up, don't hang up!" 961 00:40:31,720 --> 00:40:32,888 (Steve chuckles) You know. 962 00:40:32,930 --> 00:40:34,181 I go, "who is this?" 963 00:40:34,223 --> 00:40:36,642 You know and ended up being serious. 964 00:40:36,684 --> 00:40:38,977 And a few days later I was on a plane 965 00:40:39,019 --> 00:40:41,772 to Southern California to meet with Frank Hawk. 966 00:40:41,814 --> 00:40:44,900 Frank was retiring from the National Skateboard Association. 967 00:40:44,942 --> 00:40:48,153 - The first time I remember Don Bostick was through 968 00:40:48,195 --> 00:40:51,365 my father, who started the National Skateboard Association 969 00:40:51,407 --> 00:40:54,701 and would go and set up all the judges 970 00:40:54,743 --> 00:40:58,414 and the events and the, you know, the production of it. 971 00:40:58,456 --> 00:41:02,376 And he invited, I think, Don, to be a head judge. 972 00:41:03,169 --> 00:41:04,128 And I just remember hearing the 973 00:41:04,170 --> 00:41:05,629 name Don Bostick through my life. 974 00:41:05,671 --> 00:41:06,755 Like, " well, Don Bostick would do it, Don Bostick." 975 00:41:06,797 --> 00:41:08,382 And eventually it was like, 976 00:41:08,424 --> 00:41:10,551 "well, Don Bostick's going to do this." 977 00:41:10,593 --> 00:41:12,470 He's going to be the NSA. 978 00:41:13,846 --> 00:41:17,349 - The last year of the NSA I went to Germany 979 00:41:17,391 --> 00:41:19,101 to the World Championships over there. 980 00:41:19,143 --> 00:41:20,936 And when I went to Germany, 981 00:41:20,978 --> 00:41:25,190 I saw what was possible in skateboarding internationally. 982 00:41:25,232 --> 00:41:27,109 It was like, opened my eyes. 983 00:41:27,151 --> 00:41:29,653 - [James] Don then launched World Cup Skateboarding, 984 00:41:29,695 --> 00:41:31,196 which was the first to introduce 985 00:41:31,238 --> 00:41:34,283 a world ranking system for skateboarders. 986 00:41:34,325 --> 00:41:38,036 - We built the basis of what the NSA became 987 00:41:38,078 --> 00:41:41,039 and then World Cup morphed into. 988 00:41:41,081 --> 00:41:44,001 - [James] Don was eventually called by ESPN to design 989 00:41:44,043 --> 00:41:46,795 and create the skateboard and snowboard competitions 990 00:41:46,837 --> 00:41:50,257 for a new show idea they had called "The Extreme Games." 991 00:41:50,299 --> 00:41:51,967 - [Announcer] And there is your champion 992 00:41:52,009 --> 00:41:53,552 at the Extreme Games. 993 00:41:53,594 --> 00:41:56,722 And your champion for all time in skateboarding, Tony Hawk. 994 00:41:56,764 --> 00:42:00,017 - As the X Games came into play, even like the MTV events, 995 00:42:00,059 --> 00:42:02,394 it was suddenly like, whoa, there's these big televised 996 00:42:02,436 --> 00:42:05,522 events who will sanction the competition. 997 00:42:05,564 --> 00:42:07,065 Of course, it's the Bosticks. 998 00:42:07,107 --> 00:42:08,150 They have the most experience. 999 00:42:08,192 --> 00:42:09,359 They know what they're doing 1000 00:42:09,401 --> 00:42:11,278 and they have a great track record, 1001 00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:14,156 and so they were the first pick. 1002 00:42:14,198 --> 00:42:16,825 And I mean, it's been that way ever since. 1003 00:42:16,867 --> 00:42:18,410 Like the first X Games, I'll never forget 1004 00:42:18,452 --> 00:42:19,620 Don Bostick sitting, you know, 1005 00:42:19,662 --> 00:42:21,538 we're all sitting in a little room 1006 00:42:21,580 --> 00:42:24,541 discussing the format and it was like, this is what we do. 1007 00:42:24,583 --> 00:42:26,585 This is how we've always done it, 1008 00:42:26,627 --> 00:42:27,961 and it's the same people putting it on, 1009 00:42:28,003 --> 00:42:30,589 and we all felt very comfortable with that. 1010 00:42:30,631 --> 00:42:32,883 - [James] After 15 years of running the X Games, 1011 00:42:32,925 --> 00:42:35,594 Don left to focus on World Cup skateboarding, 1012 00:42:35,636 --> 00:42:38,305 which he still runs to this day with his wife, Danielle. 1013 00:42:38,347 --> 00:42:40,307 - World Cup skateboarding, X Games, 1014 00:42:40,349 --> 00:42:43,644 all these things have been brought to us by Don Bostick. 1015 00:42:43,686 --> 00:42:45,604 He's the mad if you ask me. 1016 00:42:45,646 --> 00:42:48,690 He should have been a Hall of Famer a long, long time ago. 1017 00:42:48,732 --> 00:42:51,026 - [James] Don Bostick and Tony Hawk teamed up again 1018 00:42:51,068 --> 00:42:52,986 to lobby the International Olympic Committee 1019 00:42:53,028 --> 00:42:54,780 to help bring skateboarding into the Olympics 1020 00:42:54,822 --> 00:42:56,198 for the very first time. 1021 00:42:56,240 --> 00:42:58,492 - I'm honored to introduce the first ever 1022 00:42:58,534 --> 00:43:00,327 American Olympic skateboarding team. 1023 00:43:00,369 --> 00:43:03,121 (crowd cheering) (people whistling) 1024 00:43:03,163 --> 00:43:06,708 - The Olympics is such a lightning rod of controversy, 1025 00:43:06,750 --> 00:43:09,420 but my attitude has always been 1026 00:43:10,629 --> 00:43:13,632 the Olympics needs skateboarding for the cool factor 1027 00:43:13,674 --> 00:43:17,553 more than skateboarding needs the Olympics for legitimacy. 1028 00:43:17,595 --> 00:43:18,804 Right? 1029 00:43:18,846 --> 00:43:20,264 I understand that the Olympics would bring 1030 00:43:20,306 --> 00:43:21,807 a whole international audience to skateboarding 1031 00:43:21,849 --> 00:43:23,600 that maybe had never seen it before. 1032 00:43:23,642 --> 00:43:26,478 But at the same time, summer games are hurting. 1033 00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:29,231 I mean, how many more swim events can we have? 1034 00:43:29,273 --> 00:43:30,649 Do you know what I mean? 1035 00:43:30,691 --> 00:43:33,569 And running and people shooting and throwing ball. 1036 00:43:33,611 --> 00:43:37,364 It's like, I mean and I hate that I sound cavalier in that, 1037 00:43:37,406 --> 00:43:40,075 but really it's boring for the new generation of kids 1038 00:43:40,117 --> 00:43:41,952 that are all about action. 1039 00:43:41,994 --> 00:43:43,495 - I grew up competing. 1040 00:43:43,537 --> 00:43:46,415 That's how I made my mark in skateboarding 1041 00:43:46,457 --> 00:43:49,793 and competition has played a huge, 1042 00:43:49,835 --> 00:43:52,796 tremendous role in a lot of skateboarders lives. 1043 00:43:52,838 --> 00:43:54,673 I mean, that's what drove us. 1044 00:43:54,715 --> 00:43:56,633 That's what that gave us the passion 1045 00:43:56,675 --> 00:43:59,928 to progress and to become better. 1046 00:43:59,970 --> 00:44:01,847 Don and Danielle Bostick have just 1047 00:44:01,889 --> 00:44:06,977 been a huge blessing to our industry, 1048 00:44:07,645 --> 00:44:09,229 to my career personally. 1049 00:44:09,271 --> 00:44:12,524 I have a strong appreciation of what they do 1050 00:44:12,566 --> 00:44:15,736 and what they've done for our skateboard community. 1051 00:44:15,778 --> 00:44:18,530 - The Olympics need skateboarding in their summer games, 1052 00:44:18,572 --> 00:44:21,074 the way that they needed snowboarding in their winter games 1053 00:44:21,116 --> 00:44:24,703 and obviously snowboarding when it was first introduced 1054 00:44:24,745 --> 00:44:26,538 was like the bastard child of the Olympics. 1055 00:44:26,580 --> 00:44:30,000 It was like, look, these guys, they test positive for weed 1056 00:44:30,042 --> 00:44:31,793 All their hair and their logos 1057 00:44:31,835 --> 00:44:33,462 and then four years later 1058 00:44:33,504 --> 00:44:37,049 it's the highlight of the winter games. 1059 00:44:37,091 --> 00:44:38,216 And then four years after that, 1060 00:44:38,258 --> 00:44:39,843 it's the only thing people watch. 1061 00:44:39,885 --> 00:44:42,012 I mean, besides ice skating, I guess. 1062 00:44:42,054 --> 00:44:45,932 - When people host competitions and give us that arena, 1063 00:44:45,974 --> 00:44:50,062 it really builds a fire in the skateboarder. 1064 00:44:50,104 --> 00:44:51,396 You know, having the crowd there, 1065 00:44:51,438 --> 00:44:53,106 it's kind of like a concert, you know, 1066 00:44:53,148 --> 00:44:54,900 it's like you're playing your best song. 1067 00:44:54,942 --> 00:44:57,736 You're trying to do your best run. 1068 00:44:57,778 --> 00:45:01,573 So I look at the Olympics as just another platform 1069 00:45:01,615 --> 00:45:04,493 for other people that don't really care about skateboarding. 1070 00:45:04,535 --> 00:45:09,039 To get a taste of it and try to understand what we do 1071 00:45:09,081 --> 00:45:11,416 and why we are so passionate about it. 1072 00:45:11,458 --> 00:45:13,960 (crowd cheering) (somber music) 1073 00:45:14,002 --> 00:45:16,421 - At its core, it is skateboarding 1074 00:45:16,463 --> 00:45:18,423 and it is modern skateboarding, 1075 00:45:18,465 --> 00:45:20,050 and it's gonna be huge. 1076 00:45:20,092 --> 00:45:23,136 And I feel like Don understands that. 1077 00:45:23,178 --> 00:45:25,389 And World Cup understands all that. 1078 00:45:25,431 --> 00:45:28,183 And we are the ones that can 1079 00:45:28,225 --> 00:45:32,437 not just control it, but to protect it. 1080 00:45:32,479 --> 00:45:34,356 - As far as I think about the Olympics, 1081 00:45:34,398 --> 00:45:37,442 I think it should be freestyle and slalom and downhill. 1082 00:45:37,484 --> 00:45:40,612 Take it back to the original shit, you know. 1083 00:45:40,654 --> 00:45:42,698 (laughs) I don't know, high jump. 1084 00:45:42,740 --> 00:45:45,283 I think it should be fucking high jump in the Olympics. 1085 00:45:45,325 --> 00:45:46,493 Like some real shit. 1086 00:45:46,535 --> 00:45:48,787 And that's another thing is like, I grew up, 1087 00:45:48,829 --> 00:45:50,956 you know, skateboarding and everybody I look, 1088 00:45:50,998 --> 00:45:53,166 I see dressed as like a skateboarder. 1089 00:45:53,208 --> 00:45:55,127 I don't see kids going to school 1090 00:45:55,169 --> 00:45:56,503 dressed like figure skaters. 1091 00:45:56,545 --> 00:45:59,965 - I can't understand why anybody would be upset. 1092 00:46:00,007 --> 00:46:02,008 I mean, I have said in the past when somebody asked me, 1093 00:46:02,050 --> 00:46:05,095 like, skateboarding has a, it has a pretty, 1094 00:46:05,137 --> 00:46:07,180 there's a pretty dark side to it, you know, 1095 00:46:07,222 --> 00:46:09,725 skateboarding is like a rebel sport, you know, 1096 00:46:09,767 --> 00:46:11,977 so it's like the outsiders do skateboarding. 1097 00:46:12,019 --> 00:46:13,478 - [Announcer] All right, Mark Gonzales! 1098 00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:16,314 - I've been part of the group that has been trying to 1099 00:46:16,356 --> 00:46:18,525 not usher that in, but really just trying 1100 00:46:18,567 --> 00:46:23,238 to help it along the way and to do it with integrity 1101 00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,073 and to represent the sports well. 1102 00:46:25,115 --> 00:46:26,825 And so when people say like, 1103 00:46:26,867 --> 00:46:28,118 "oh, it's skateboarding Olympics." 1104 00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:29,286 Like, "it's bullshit uniforms and stuff." 1105 00:46:29,328 --> 00:46:30,954 It's not like that. 1106 00:46:30,996 --> 00:46:32,789 It's going to be a skate competition 1107 00:46:32,831 --> 00:46:35,500 the way that we've seen it unfold, 1108 00:46:35,542 --> 00:46:36,668 the way that we've seen skateboard 1109 00:46:36,710 --> 00:46:38,712 competition through the years. 1110 00:46:38,754 --> 00:46:39,838 - Catalina Island. 1111 00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:41,631 Today the tiny island town of Avalon 1112 00:46:41,673 --> 00:46:44,092 is hosted downhill and slalom racing events 1113 00:46:44,134 --> 00:46:46,136 in the Catalina Skateboard Classic. 1114 00:46:46,178 --> 00:46:47,596 I'm Jim Lampley. 1115 00:46:47,638 --> 00:46:50,182 I hear is the leader in the competition, Jamie Hart. 1116 00:46:50,224 --> 00:46:53,018 A little earlier I talked to him as he came to work. 1117 00:46:53,060 --> 00:46:55,020 As you watch Jamie Hart on his way to a race, 1118 00:46:55,062 --> 00:46:56,188 you might think that skateboarders, 1119 00:46:56,230 --> 00:46:57,814 like so many other professional athletes, 1120 00:46:57,856 --> 00:46:59,232 are now big businessmen 1121 00:46:59,274 --> 00:47:01,234 and must carry a briefcase everywhere they go. 1122 00:47:01,276 --> 00:47:02,194 But this is a little different. 1123 00:47:02,236 --> 00:47:03,612 What do you have there, Jamie? 1124 00:47:03,654 --> 00:47:06,698 - I have a set of wheels that I'm gonna race on today. 1125 00:47:06,740 --> 00:47:08,950 - So this is in effect your pit crew? 1126 00:47:08,992 --> 00:47:10,244 - Yes, in a sense. 1127 00:47:11,328 --> 00:47:13,872 This is what I like to call the skate room. 1128 00:47:13,914 --> 00:47:17,167 It's memorabilia that I've collected 1129 00:47:17,209 --> 00:47:21,338 over a 41 year pro career 1130 00:47:21,380 --> 00:47:24,424 and I'm very proud of it. 1131 00:47:25,843 --> 00:47:28,053 - [Announcer] Jamie Mart is a 26 year old truck parts dealer 1132 00:47:28,095 --> 00:47:30,555 who practices on a 3.1 mile stretch of highway 1133 00:47:30,597 --> 00:47:32,682 on Donner Summit near Lake Tahoe. 1134 00:47:32,724 --> 00:47:34,100 - [James] How old are you? 1135 00:47:34,142 --> 00:47:35,644 - 64. 1136 00:47:35,686 --> 00:47:37,521 Social Security. (chuckles) 1137 00:47:37,563 --> 00:47:38,730 - [James] You're still skateboard? 1138 00:47:38,772 --> 00:47:40,148 - Yes, I am. 1139 00:47:40,190 --> 00:47:41,608 - [James] How old were you when you started skateboarding? 1140 00:47:41,650 --> 00:47:46,071 - I was probably about 24, 23 years as old. 1141 00:47:46,113 --> 00:47:48,990 It's when urethane first came out. 1142 00:47:49,032 --> 00:47:50,450 - [James] Why do you skate? 1143 00:47:53,036 --> 00:47:54,579 - I enjoy it. 1144 00:47:54,621 --> 00:47:58,458 I enjoy the camaraderie and the friendship. 1145 00:47:59,835 --> 00:48:02,879 It's just a, you know, being a slalom downhill skater, 1146 00:48:02,921 --> 00:48:05,507 there's a real small community 1147 00:48:05,549 --> 00:48:08,760 and it's an around the world community 1148 00:48:08,802 --> 00:48:11,221 and they get together for these contests. 1149 00:48:11,263 --> 00:48:16,310 And at this stage in my career, I love the attention, 1150 00:48:17,394 --> 00:48:20,438 (laughs) I love the, the respect and, 1151 00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:22,691 you know, "you were the first?" 1152 00:48:22,733 --> 00:48:25,569 You know, I mean, and I guess if I were them, 1153 00:48:25,611 --> 00:48:29,364 I would have the same attitude. 1154 00:48:29,406 --> 00:48:30,949 You know, the original guys that kind 1155 00:48:30,991 --> 00:48:33,660 of saw this before anybody else. 1156 00:48:33,702 --> 00:48:35,370 - [Announcer] Combined to determine his overall standing 1157 00:48:35,412 --> 00:48:38,916 and as you watch Hart, see how smooth his style is. 1158 00:48:39,917 --> 00:48:41,585 He is the leader after two runs. 1159 00:48:41,627 --> 00:48:46,172 He needs a time of 27 and 170 thousandths of a second 1160 00:48:46,214 --> 00:48:48,466 in order to better his overall time. 1161 00:48:48,508 --> 00:48:49,634 - [James] How old were you when you 1162 00:48:49,676 --> 00:48:52,054 won your first world championship? 1163 00:48:55,515 --> 00:48:58,310 - 59, (laughs) believe it or not 1164 00:48:58,352 --> 00:49:00,645 and probably 59, was the oldest 1165 00:49:00,687 --> 00:49:03,690 ever to win a pro event of any sort. 1166 00:49:03,732 --> 00:49:06,985 So I'm proud of that, that's fun. 1167 00:49:07,027 --> 00:49:08,361 That's a feather in my cap. 1168 00:49:08,403 --> 00:49:10,196 Something I'll never forget. 1169 00:49:10,238 --> 00:49:13,283 - I challenge you to find somebody in another sport 1170 00:49:13,325 --> 00:49:15,702 that has won the gold medal at the pro level 1171 00:49:15,744 --> 00:49:18,205 at the age of 59 plus. 1172 00:49:19,581 --> 00:49:22,375 That's the original N-Men and that's the essence of N-Men. 1173 00:49:22,417 --> 00:49:23,877 Never stop. 1174 00:49:23,919 --> 00:49:26,671 (skateboards clattering) (gentle uplifting music) 1175 00:49:26,713 --> 00:49:29,841 - I was in the downhill and I was coming down this canyon 1176 00:49:29,883 --> 00:49:32,594 up in San Luis Obispo. 1177 00:49:32,636 --> 00:49:34,220 Whew! 1178 00:49:34,262 --> 00:49:37,057 Jamie Hart goes right by me and wins the race. 1179 00:49:37,849 --> 00:49:39,684 I'm like, you're kidding me? 1180 00:49:39,726 --> 00:49:41,227 How could you not love that? 1181 00:49:41,269 --> 00:49:43,855 62 year old dude just blows past me 1182 00:49:43,897 --> 00:49:45,357 like I was standing still. 1183 00:49:45,399 --> 00:49:47,025 And he had this really perfect tuck. 1184 00:49:47,067 --> 00:49:48,818 He's got that, you know what I mean? 1185 00:49:48,860 --> 00:49:50,612 He's got a special tuck. 1186 00:49:50,654 --> 00:49:54,532 It does not look aerodynamic at all, 1187 00:49:54,574 --> 00:49:57,118 but true to the source, man. 1188 00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:59,537 He flew by me like I was really standing still get old man. 1189 00:49:59,579 --> 00:50:02,540 - Get it old man. - [Cameraman] Yeah, Jamie. 1190 00:50:02,582 --> 00:50:06,378 (skateboard clattering) 1191 00:50:06,420 --> 00:50:10,674 - Jamie Hart is probably the most classic skateboarder. 1192 00:50:10,716 --> 00:50:14,344 He's skated longer, I think, than any skateboarder 1193 00:50:14,386 --> 00:50:17,973 besides Cliff Coleman in skate history. 1194 00:50:18,015 --> 00:50:20,642 And he's still shredding it up. 1195 00:50:20,684 --> 00:50:21,476 - [James] He's out here today. 1196 00:50:21,518 --> 00:50:23,395 - Yeah, he's 65. 1197 00:50:26,023 --> 00:50:27,607 - You know, the N-Men is not 1198 00:50:27,649 --> 00:50:31,361 just about the male skateboarder, it's all encompassing 1199 00:50:31,403 --> 00:50:35,031 of different generations, different genders. 1200 00:50:35,073 --> 00:50:37,158 Judi Oyama, who is one of the first 1201 00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:39,744 team managers for independent trucks. 1202 00:50:39,786 --> 00:50:42,747 She's a lifelong skateboarder from Santa Cruz. 1203 00:50:42,789 --> 00:50:46,418 - Back in the mid seventies, 1204 00:50:46,460 --> 00:50:48,795 I used to skate for Santa Cruz skateboards 1205 00:50:48,837 --> 00:50:53,800 with Dawn Bostick and O'Shei and Randy Katen. 1206 00:50:55,302 --> 00:50:57,971 And that's when I first heard about all the N-Men. 1207 00:50:59,347 --> 00:51:03,810 Skateboarding for me is freedom, it's self-expression. 1208 00:51:05,103 --> 00:51:06,479 Like I'll go to the skate park in the morning 1209 00:51:06,521 --> 00:51:08,648 and sometimes, you know, lately a bunch of old schoolers, 1210 00:51:08,690 --> 00:51:11,026 a bunch of, Joel Gomez and people I rode with 1211 00:51:11,068 --> 00:51:15,071 in the eighties we were out there laughing and skating 1212 00:51:15,113 --> 00:51:16,406 because it makes us feel good. 1213 00:51:16,448 --> 00:51:18,783 Whether we're skating as well as we used to, 1214 00:51:18,825 --> 00:51:22,120 we're just out there and it feels good. 1215 00:51:22,162 --> 00:51:23,997 - This lady's 56 years old. - Yeah! 1216 00:51:25,165 --> 00:51:28,960 - One of the top female slalomers in the world. 1217 00:51:29,002 --> 00:51:30,754 Judi Oyama, remember that name. 1218 00:51:30,796 --> 00:51:32,964 - She looks 29! - [Judi] Yeah, right. 1219 00:51:34,049 --> 00:51:37,969 - [Randy] Judi Oyama, she is an amazing woman. 1220 00:51:38,011 --> 00:51:38,970 (skateboard clattering) - [Person] Judi, get it. 1221 00:51:39,012 --> 00:51:40,472 Get it! 1222 00:51:40,514 --> 00:51:43,642 - Her thing is she really got into slalom racing. 1223 00:51:44,851 --> 00:51:47,395 She worked at it and became world champion. 1224 00:51:48,647 --> 00:51:50,648 Not too many people in NorCal get the shake 1225 00:51:50,690 --> 00:51:52,484 from Southern California to be in the Hall of Fame. 1226 00:51:52,526 --> 00:51:54,402 But Judi got in the hall of fame 1227 00:51:54,444 --> 00:51:56,488 and that means a lot to me too, 1228 00:51:56,530 --> 00:51:59,783 because she represents Northern California. 1229 00:51:59,825 --> 00:52:01,951 And that's awesome that, you know, 1230 00:52:01,993 --> 00:52:04,412 someone finally recognized her accomplishments. 1231 00:52:06,123 --> 00:52:08,750 - This is the evening where I get inducted in the 1232 00:52:09,793 --> 00:52:11,878 skateboard Hall of Fame after 1233 00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:15,131 45 fucking years of skateboarding. 1234 00:52:15,173 --> 00:52:18,176 (upbeat rock music) 1235 00:52:18,218 --> 00:52:21,429 - Judi was actually honored in 2015. 1236 00:52:21,471 --> 00:52:26,434 She got the icon award for the N-Men that year as a woman. 1237 00:52:27,310 --> 00:52:29,395 - [Person] Yeah! (crowd cheering) 1238 00:52:29,437 --> 00:52:33,817 In America that's high honors and so without further ado, 1239 00:52:33,859 --> 00:52:36,986 I want to introduce my friend of over 40 years. 1240 00:52:37,028 --> 00:52:40,115 Put your hands together for Judi Oyama. 1241 00:52:40,157 --> 00:52:42,784 (crowd cheering) 1242 00:52:42,826 --> 00:52:44,410 - I'm amped to be here tonight. 1243 00:52:44,452 --> 00:52:46,413 I feel like I'm standing on a big ramp 1244 00:52:48,081 --> 00:52:51,042 ready to drop in on a badass run. 1245 00:52:51,084 --> 00:52:53,419 (crowd cheering) 1246 00:52:53,461 --> 00:52:57,006 I honestly never thought tonight what happened. 1247 00:52:57,048 --> 00:52:59,968 Being here with all of you is such an awesome feeling. 1248 00:53:00,010 --> 00:53:02,637 Thank you, and remember, stay badass. 1249 00:53:03,597 --> 00:53:08,685 (crowd cheering) (rock music) 1250 00:53:13,773 --> 00:53:15,567 - The N-Men bro. 1251 00:53:15,609 --> 00:53:17,777 We're from the seventies and eighties 1252 00:53:17,819 --> 00:53:21,948 and everybody did a lot of self-destructive behavior. Okay? 1253 00:53:21,990 --> 00:53:23,241 Everybody. 1254 00:53:23,283 --> 00:53:26,077 N-Men loved drugs and they loved to drink, 1255 00:53:26,119 --> 00:53:28,454 and they love to fight and they love to fuck 1256 00:53:28,496 --> 00:53:30,748 and get off, bro. (amp feedback buzzing) 1257 00:53:30,790 --> 00:53:32,750 So there was a lot of trouble. 1258 00:53:32,792 --> 00:53:36,171 So it didn't surprise me when Jones, you know, 1259 00:53:36,213 --> 00:53:38,131 when I heard Jones had been in and out 1260 00:53:38,173 --> 00:53:40,508 of the slammer all this time. 1261 00:53:41,343 --> 00:53:42,969 You know, I hope he is cool. 1262 00:53:43,011 --> 00:53:45,388 I mean, he sounds pretty squared away 1263 00:53:45,430 --> 00:53:47,348 on his emails and stuff. 1264 00:53:47,390 --> 00:53:49,184 Incarceration can have a real 1265 00:53:49,226 --> 00:53:51,936 weird effect on different people, you know. 1266 00:53:51,978 --> 00:53:55,148 So we'll see, you know, I'm excited to see the guy. 1267 00:53:55,190 --> 00:53:57,442 There's a lot of water under that bridge, I'll tell you that 1268 00:53:57,484 --> 00:53:59,986 because I think it'll probably be emotional, 1269 00:54:00,028 --> 00:54:01,696 you know, to some degree. 1270 00:54:01,738 --> 00:54:04,240 You know, I lost my parents a few years ago 1271 00:54:04,282 --> 00:54:07,243 and Jones was, you know, really close to them. 1272 00:54:07,285 --> 00:54:12,332 So yeah, in some way I've had, you know... 1273 00:54:17,087 --> 00:54:19,714 (somber music) 1274 00:54:26,179 --> 00:54:27,972 - [James] So you're about to see John O'Shei. 1275 00:54:28,014 --> 00:54:28,890 - Yeah. 1276 00:54:28,932 --> 00:54:29,766 - [James] How long has it been? 1277 00:54:29,808 --> 00:54:30,684 - 30 years. 1278 00:54:31,851 --> 00:54:34,312 - [James] How you feeling? - Nervous. 1279 00:54:34,354 --> 00:54:35,272 Very nervous. 1280 00:54:36,273 --> 00:54:37,649 - [James] Why are you nervous? 1281 00:54:37,691 --> 00:54:41,319 - You know, John and me were very, very close. 1282 00:54:41,361 --> 00:54:43,113 You know, we skated together. 1283 00:54:44,614 --> 00:54:46,324 Got into mischief together. 1284 00:54:46,366 --> 00:54:48,159 (chuckles) You know what I'm saying? 1285 00:54:48,201 --> 00:54:50,120 And we just had some crazy times. 1286 00:54:52,289 --> 00:54:54,707 When I disappeared off the radar screen. 1287 00:54:54,749 --> 00:54:58,044 I thought I'd never see him again, ever. 1288 00:54:58,086 --> 00:54:59,504 I always thought about him. 1289 00:55:00,839 --> 00:55:02,674 It's just unfortunate the way things turned out for me, 1290 00:55:02,716 --> 00:55:05,426 you know, but, you know, I'm back. 1291 00:55:05,468 --> 00:55:07,011 You know, and I think I'm making 1292 00:55:07,053 --> 00:55:08,638 all the right moves this time. 1293 00:55:09,723 --> 00:55:11,307 - Hey! (hands claps) 1294 00:55:11,349 --> 00:55:13,184 My man! (Dough chuckles) 1295 00:55:13,226 --> 00:55:15,436 - My boy, John, man! 1296 00:55:15,478 --> 00:55:16,980 - What's up, man? 1297 00:55:18,231 --> 00:55:20,358 - Oh man, goddamn, I missed you, bro. 1298 00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:22,402 - Good to see you, bro. 1299 00:55:22,444 --> 00:55:24,654 - Oh man, I miss you, man. 1300 00:55:24,696 --> 00:55:26,239 - Good to see you. 1301 00:55:26,281 --> 00:55:28,032 Good to see you. - All right. 1302 00:55:28,074 --> 00:55:29,367 All right. 1303 00:55:29,409 --> 00:55:31,244 - You look okay, man. 1304 00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:34,038 How you doing? - My boy, man. 1305 00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:36,291 (both chuckling) 1306 00:55:36,333 --> 00:55:37,500 What a trip, man. 1307 00:55:37,542 --> 00:55:40,712 - A lot of water under that bridge, huh? 1308 00:55:40,754 --> 00:55:42,338 You look good. 1309 00:55:42,380 --> 00:55:43,881 - Gained a lot of weight, man. 1310 00:55:43,923 --> 00:55:44,966 - Good here, buddy. 1311 00:55:45,008 --> 00:55:46,551 It's all good now. 1312 00:55:46,593 --> 00:55:47,844 It's all good. 1313 00:55:47,886 --> 00:55:49,095 It's all good. 1314 00:55:50,096 --> 00:55:52,890 - Damn, man. - It's all good, man. 1315 00:55:52,932 --> 00:55:54,767 Give me five. 1316 00:55:54,809 --> 00:55:56,561 I'm glad to see you alive, bro. 1317 00:55:56,603 --> 00:55:57,812 - Glad to see you too, man. 1318 00:55:57,854 --> 00:55:59,897 - Fuck, I'm glad to see you alive, bro. 1319 00:55:59,939 --> 00:56:01,983 (somber music) 1320 00:56:02,025 --> 00:56:04,861 - And then skateboarding gave us a matrix, you know, 1321 00:56:04,903 --> 00:56:08,197 it kind of gave us something that kept us all together. 1322 00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:11,367 You had the power under your own feet 1323 00:56:11,409 --> 00:56:15,079 to go ahead and inspire everyone around you 1324 00:56:15,121 --> 00:56:17,582 by exceeding your own limitations. 1325 00:56:17,624 --> 00:56:19,751 And that's what I really dug about skateboarding. 1326 00:56:19,793 --> 00:56:21,711 That I still find that to be the most 1327 00:56:21,753 --> 00:56:23,630 satisfying thing about skateboarding. 1328 00:56:25,173 --> 00:56:27,258 Doug, welcome back. 1329 00:56:27,300 --> 00:56:28,259 - Thank you, dog. 1330 00:56:29,511 --> 00:56:31,262 - It's just a family of guys that, you know, 1331 00:56:31,304 --> 00:56:32,555 keep in touch with each other. 1332 00:56:32,597 --> 00:56:33,765 And whenever we see each other, 1333 00:56:33,807 --> 00:56:35,308 it's just like a brotherhood, you know? 1334 00:56:35,350 --> 00:56:38,311 It's, let's ride, you know, wherever we are, 1335 00:56:38,353 --> 00:56:39,979 wherever we're at, we can be in a parking lot, 1336 00:56:40,021 --> 00:56:42,273 hop on our skateboards and have a great time. 1337 00:56:42,315 --> 00:56:43,441 - Whenever I'm skateboarding, 1338 00:56:43,483 --> 00:56:45,401 it just feels like family to me, you know? 1339 00:56:45,443 --> 00:56:49,614 And everywhere I've been in the country or other countries 1340 00:56:49,656 --> 00:56:51,949 meet a skateboarder, you're just friends. 1341 00:56:51,991 --> 00:56:54,619 And I don't know, it just feels like home. 1342 00:56:54,661 --> 00:56:59,457 - Skateboarding was a way for all these kids 1343 00:56:59,499 --> 00:57:03,586 who didn't have a lot going on in their lives 1344 00:57:03,628 --> 00:57:07,298 to sort of mold an identity for themselves 1345 00:57:07,340 --> 00:57:10,718 that would reinforce their values 1346 00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:11,969 and who they were, you know? 1347 00:57:12,011 --> 00:57:14,472 And that's really, I think that's true 1348 00:57:14,514 --> 00:57:16,766 for skateboarding just in general, you know? 1349 00:57:16,808 --> 00:57:20,103 It's like a Harley for a kid. 1350 00:57:20,145 --> 00:57:21,312 - It transforms into something 1351 00:57:21,354 --> 00:57:23,189 much bigger than just skateboarding, 1352 00:57:23,231 --> 00:57:24,440 if you know what I mean. 1353 00:57:24,482 --> 00:57:28,111 It's more like the big brother almost. 1354 00:57:28,153 --> 00:57:30,988 And the N-Men are more important than people realize 1355 00:57:31,030 --> 00:57:32,198 because of the fact that they 1356 00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:33,449 have been around since the beginning, 1357 00:57:33,491 --> 00:57:34,700 and they still are here. 1358 00:57:34,742 --> 00:57:36,869 And that the N-Men embrace the youth. 1359 00:57:36,911 --> 00:57:39,038 They embrace anybody, it doesn't matter what your level is, 1360 00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:41,541 as long as you are a (speaks Spanish) rider, 1361 00:57:41,583 --> 00:57:44,168 as they say in Spanish, you know, that's all that counts. 1362 00:57:44,210 --> 00:57:47,255 And they're larger than life when it comes 1363 00:57:47,297 --> 00:57:49,173 to the skateboarding as far 1364 00:57:49,215 --> 00:57:51,968 as the family oriented in a group of guys. 1365 00:57:52,010 --> 00:57:53,928 If you know what I'm coming from, you know? 1366 00:57:53,970 --> 00:57:55,597 - skateboarding is a lifestyle. 1367 00:57:56,598 --> 00:57:58,349 It's kept me healthy all my life. 1368 00:57:58,391 --> 00:58:01,519 I shattered my femur in 2010 and I still skate. 1369 00:58:01,561 --> 00:58:03,312 I can't run, but I can skate. 1370 00:58:03,354 --> 00:58:04,856 I skate better than I walk. 1371 00:58:05,732 --> 00:58:08,526 And just survival. 1372 00:58:08,568 --> 00:58:11,362 I learned survival on my own with my friends, you know, 1373 00:58:12,739 --> 00:58:14,782 and real friendships throughout the years 1374 00:58:14,824 --> 00:58:15,909 that are still here. 1375 00:58:16,701 --> 00:58:18,369 And you can't replace that. 1376 00:58:19,454 --> 00:58:22,165 Fame, fortune, you can't fucking replace that. 1377 00:58:22,207 --> 00:58:24,709 - I've met people who are very successful 1378 00:58:24,751 --> 00:58:27,545 in other forms of life and then you'll see them later, 1379 00:58:27,587 --> 00:58:29,464 and they'll almost always regret 1380 00:58:29,506 --> 00:58:31,299 that they gave up skateboarding. 1381 00:58:31,341 --> 00:58:35,678 They feel like they would almost sacrifice 1382 00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:38,222 something that most people would think was greater. 1383 00:58:38,264 --> 00:58:42,226 To do an old trick again, or to see an old friend, you know, 1384 00:58:42,268 --> 00:58:43,644 that they had met through skateboarding. 1385 00:58:43,686 --> 00:58:44,896 - It was crazy. 1386 00:58:44,938 --> 00:58:46,063 There were points in all of our lives 1387 00:58:46,105 --> 00:58:47,565 when we really did wake up in the morning 1388 00:58:47,607 --> 00:58:49,734 and skateboard till we laid down at night. 1389 00:58:49,776 --> 00:58:53,738 And everybody came from a similar mindset, 1390 00:58:53,780 --> 00:58:56,449 but also the idea of the pure comradery. 1391 00:58:56,491 --> 00:58:58,034 Because for lack of a better term, 1392 00:58:58,076 --> 00:59:02,205 we were loners that formed a group of loners. 1393 00:59:02,247 --> 00:59:04,123 - All the N-Men guys are great dudes. 1394 00:59:04,165 --> 00:59:08,211 You know, if you didn't know them, you'd want to know them. 1395 00:59:08,253 --> 00:59:10,588 Because A, they'll have your back if they like you 1396 00:59:10,630 --> 00:59:14,509 and you respect you and you're a standup guy, you know, 1397 00:59:14,551 --> 00:59:16,928 and B, they're just fun. 1398 00:59:16,970 --> 00:59:18,763 You know, they do cool shit. 1399 00:59:18,805 --> 00:59:23,142 You know, they race, they ride pools, they surf, they ski, 1400 00:59:23,184 --> 00:59:25,228 they're just all about the action, 1401 00:59:25,270 --> 00:59:26,646 you know, it's good stuff. 1402 00:59:29,357 --> 00:59:34,445 (skateboard clattering) (upbeat rock music) 1403 00:59:36,281 --> 00:59:37,990 - [Person] Practice starts in five minutes! 1404 00:59:38,032 --> 00:59:39,408 - So you're in charge? 1405 00:59:39,450 --> 00:59:44,205 (leaf blower rumbling) (upbeat rock music continues) 1406 00:59:52,380 --> 00:59:55,341 - Slalom hasn't taken off much 1407 00:59:55,383 --> 00:59:58,094 in all the time that it's been going on. 1408 00:59:58,136 --> 01:00:00,346 It's still pretty much the same group of guys 1409 01:00:00,388 --> 01:00:02,306 and a little bit of young blood. 1410 01:00:02,348 --> 01:00:04,767 And my thought was to bring the downhillers into it, 1411 01:00:04,809 --> 01:00:07,395 so to have a super G course to where it's longer and looser, 1412 01:00:07,437 --> 01:00:09,522 more like the Olympics downhill 1413 01:00:09,564 --> 01:00:11,566 wide world of sports that you used to see. 1414 01:00:11,608 --> 01:00:16,195 - Stoked to be here for this third annual N-Men bonanza. 1415 01:00:17,572 --> 01:00:21,492 - So they started to throw an event here in Sacramento area 1416 01:00:21,534 --> 01:00:23,661 and I come up every year 1417 01:00:23,703 --> 01:00:26,497 because I love to go fast on a skateboard. 1418 01:00:26,539 --> 01:00:28,124 Badass skate dad. 1419 01:00:29,375 --> 01:00:31,419 (skateboard clattering) 1420 01:00:31,461 --> 01:00:33,671 I love the aspect of going through gates, 1421 01:00:33,713 --> 01:00:35,256 like racing through ski gates. 1422 01:00:36,382 --> 01:00:39,218 You're literally on a path of 45 degree angle 1423 01:00:39,260 --> 01:00:42,221 on your skateboard at mock speed, hanging on, holding on, 1424 01:00:42,263 --> 01:00:43,848 and going as fast as you can. 1425 01:00:43,890 --> 01:00:45,891 And these guys throw a great venue. 1426 01:00:45,933 --> 01:00:47,393 They always pick good hills. 1427 01:00:47,435 --> 01:00:49,770 Marty, let me build my ramp 1428 01:00:49,812 --> 01:00:51,188 that I've always wanted to show these guys. 1429 01:00:51,230 --> 01:00:52,690 You gotta have a 10 foot tall ramp. 1430 01:00:52,732 --> 01:00:55,526 Big is better, big ramp to start with, you gotta go fast. 1431 01:00:55,568 --> 01:00:57,028 And it makes guys go, "whoa, okay." 1432 01:00:57,070 --> 01:00:59,905 They think twice about going down just for that aspect. 1433 01:00:59,947 --> 01:01:04,410 - This ramp is huge. (skateboards clattering) 1434 01:01:04,452 --> 01:01:05,370 - It's fast. 1435 01:01:06,412 --> 01:01:07,330 Go fast. 1436 01:01:09,374 --> 01:01:11,667 Butterfly 65. 1437 01:01:11,709 --> 01:01:13,044 (skateboards clattering) 1438 01:01:13,086 --> 01:01:16,255 - Slalom racing is something that is so 1439 01:01:16,297 --> 01:01:19,634 amazingly technical and you know, you really, 1440 01:01:19,676 --> 01:01:23,721 your mind has to be so right in order to really go fast, 1441 01:01:23,763 --> 01:01:26,349 and to podium and to do good in the race, you know. 1442 01:01:26,391 --> 01:01:27,933 So it's very challenging. 1443 01:01:27,975 --> 01:01:30,394 - Section three, cone count. (radio beeping) 1444 01:01:30,436 --> 01:01:32,730 - Skateboarding is a sport for individuals 1445 01:01:32,772 --> 01:01:34,440 and there's something about rolling 1446 01:01:34,482 --> 01:01:36,317 over the surface of our planet, 1447 01:01:36,359 --> 01:01:38,903 you know, with the G forces you feel. 1448 01:01:38,945 --> 01:01:40,363 You can only lean so far standing up, 1449 01:01:40,405 --> 01:01:42,823 but you get on a skateboard and you turn the trucks, 1450 01:01:42,865 --> 01:01:44,575 and you can lean even further 1451 01:01:44,617 --> 01:01:47,870 and you feel those G forces as you make a smooth turn. 1452 01:01:47,912 --> 01:01:51,332 Something as basic as a turn, but it's still fun. 1453 01:01:51,374 --> 01:01:52,958 You feel the flow. 1454 01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:55,920 - Cliff Coleman, legendary Berkeley guy, man. 1455 01:01:55,962 --> 01:01:57,380 We used to call him the Berkeley Boys 1456 01:01:57,422 --> 01:02:00,007 and we went to Berkeley, there's a hill called Telegraph 1457 01:02:00,049 --> 01:02:02,259 that's fucking like this, right? 1458 01:02:02,301 --> 01:02:04,178 You know, and here I am, I think I'm this big downhiller, 1459 01:02:04,220 --> 01:02:07,098 'cause I was in the Laguna skate contest, right? 1460 01:02:07,140 --> 01:02:08,557 And here comes Cliff Coleman, man, 1461 01:02:08,599 --> 01:02:11,435 they're jamming these hills at 40, 45 miles an hour. 1462 01:02:11,477 --> 01:02:14,605 And cliff's laying down these nasty slides, 1463 01:02:14,647 --> 01:02:16,691 like 60 foot slides and then popping up 1464 01:02:16,733 --> 01:02:18,025 and taking off again. 1465 01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:22,071 Downhill kind of died off and then it came back, 1466 01:02:22,113 --> 01:02:24,740 and it came back with a whole younger group of kids. 1467 01:02:24,782 --> 01:02:26,409 Better equipment, better wheels. 1468 01:02:26,451 --> 01:02:28,619 Wheels that you can slide and they don't go away. 1469 01:02:28,661 --> 01:02:31,914 People are going 80 miles an hour stand up now. 1470 01:02:31,956 --> 01:02:34,208 And if you watch some of the big races in Europe, 1471 01:02:34,250 --> 01:02:37,044 they're racing down like the passes in France and stuff. 1472 01:02:37,086 --> 01:02:39,463 And they're going 45, 50 miles an hour, 1473 01:02:39,505 --> 01:02:41,799 slowing themselves down to 20 miles an hour 1474 01:02:41,841 --> 01:02:44,385 and coming around the turn, it's called a Coleman slide 1475 01:02:44,427 --> 01:02:47,346 from our boy in Berkeley, cliff Coleman. 1476 01:02:47,388 --> 01:02:50,766 I mean, he kind of wrote a chapter in downhill, 1477 01:02:50,808 --> 01:02:53,978 never got any traction till 30 years later. 1478 01:02:54,020 --> 01:02:56,605 Now all of a sudden they're flying him to Brazil. 1479 01:02:56,647 --> 01:02:59,900 He's living in Brazil teaching all these kids. 1480 01:02:59,942 --> 01:03:04,655 I mean he's had a rebirth, you know, after all these years. 1481 01:03:04,697 --> 01:03:06,115 - It's racing cones, you know, 1482 01:03:06,157 --> 01:03:08,617 it's you against the other rider and the clock. 1483 01:03:08,659 --> 01:03:10,494 So it's a different kind of skateboarding, 1484 01:03:10,536 --> 01:03:13,164 but it's still good, good fun. 1485 01:03:13,206 --> 01:03:14,957 You can go fast in a giant slalom. 1486 01:03:14,999 --> 01:03:16,751 It's fast enough to scare you. 1487 01:03:16,793 --> 01:03:20,171 (skateboard clattering) (groovy music) 1488 01:03:20,213 --> 01:03:23,549 (skateboard whooshing) 1489 01:03:24,967 --> 01:03:27,011 - [Person] Whoa. - Whoa! 1490 01:03:27,053 --> 01:03:30,014 (crowd exclaiming) (metal clattering) 1491 01:03:30,056 --> 01:03:31,515 - And the truth is, you know, I say it all the time, 1492 01:03:31,557 --> 01:03:34,351 I like to fall because it wakes me up. 1493 01:03:34,393 --> 01:03:35,561 I don't mind getting hurt 1494 01:03:35,603 --> 01:03:37,021 because it puts you in perspective. 1495 01:03:37,063 --> 01:03:39,815 You get kind of in a slap in the face almost, 1496 01:03:39,857 --> 01:03:44,403 you know, everything does is flash almost, you know, 1497 01:03:44,445 --> 01:03:46,405 and as a skateboarder and it makes you tougher 1498 01:03:46,447 --> 01:03:48,699 and tougher and tougher and tougher in life. 1499 01:03:48,741 --> 01:03:49,784 It makes you warrior in life. 1500 01:03:49,826 --> 01:03:51,035 I believe skateboarders are some of 1501 01:03:51,077 --> 01:03:53,996 the toughest humans alive in my opinion. 1502 01:03:56,082 --> 01:03:58,250 - A guy in Korea told me one time, 1503 01:03:58,292 --> 01:03:59,960 "you know, you're supposed to hang up your toys" 1504 01:04:00,002 --> 01:04:02,505 "when you're 25 in Korea and then you go get a job" 1505 01:04:02,547 --> 01:04:05,508 "or something, but I'm 66, I'm the oldest guy." 1506 01:04:05,550 --> 01:04:08,219 "I'm always the oldest guy, but I still skateboard." 1507 01:04:08,261 --> 01:04:10,513 "I love my skateboard, I love skateboarding." 1508 01:04:10,555 --> 01:04:11,514 "I really do." 1509 01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:14,391 (skateboard clattering) (groovy music continues) 1510 01:04:14,433 --> 01:04:16,268 - There's skateboarders that ride everything, 1511 01:04:16,310 --> 01:04:17,269 skate everything, 1512 01:04:17,311 --> 01:04:19,396 be it, you know, a backyard pool. 1513 01:04:19,438 --> 01:04:22,942 Building a ramp, a new skateboard park, a pipe, 1514 01:04:24,485 --> 01:04:26,237 wiggling through cones down a hill. 1515 01:04:26,279 --> 01:04:28,656 I mean, it's all encompassing of skateboarding. 1516 01:04:30,616 --> 01:04:32,368 - NorCal guys were gritty. 1517 01:04:32,410 --> 01:04:34,119 They had something that the southern California 1518 01:04:34,161 --> 01:04:36,914 that felt like kind of soft almost in a way. 1519 01:04:36,956 --> 01:04:38,332 - N-men, you know, it's one of 1520 01:04:38,374 --> 01:04:40,543 those kind of NorCal pride things 1521 01:04:40,585 --> 01:04:42,920 where we differentiate ourselves 1522 01:04:42,962 --> 01:04:46,257 from Southern California just based on, 1523 01:04:46,299 --> 01:04:50,427 I mean, not only geographically, but philosophically. 1524 01:04:50,469 --> 01:04:51,554 - Southern California, they always looked at us 1525 01:04:51,596 --> 01:04:53,597 a little more polished, like trans world 1526 01:04:53,639 --> 01:04:55,599 and you know, trying to do the contest thing. 1527 01:04:55,641 --> 01:04:57,560 Where as NorCal, "Eh, we're just gonna drink and party" 1528 01:04:57,602 --> 01:04:58,936 "and influence skateboarding lifestyle." 1529 01:04:58,978 --> 01:05:00,980 And I kinda always liked that more. (laughs) 1530 01:05:01,022 --> 01:05:05,192 - Not all, but some were like, "yeah, fuck SoCal." 1531 01:05:05,234 --> 01:05:07,611 And it was like, "wow, why, man?" 1532 01:05:07,653 --> 01:05:12,116 I mean, it's not, it's such a waste of time and energy 1533 01:05:12,158 --> 01:05:14,910 to hate on, I mean, we have... 1534 01:05:14,952 --> 01:05:18,455 I'm from SoCal as well and there's just as many 1535 01:05:18,497 --> 01:05:22,042 fun skate spots down here, and I don't hear people 1536 01:05:22,084 --> 01:05:24,712 from SoCal saying fuck NorCal. 1537 01:05:25,546 --> 01:05:26,505 I mean, I don't know. 1538 01:05:26,547 --> 01:05:28,424 - Because we were competitive. 1539 01:05:28,466 --> 01:05:31,552 I have to admit that I always wanted to beat those guys 1540 01:05:31,594 --> 01:05:33,345 and one up 'em. 1541 01:05:33,387 --> 01:05:35,180 But at the same time, I think everything 1542 01:05:35,222 --> 01:05:36,348 that happened back then is what got us here 1543 01:05:36,390 --> 01:05:38,475 and that had to be that way 1544 01:05:38,517 --> 01:05:41,645 in order to make skateboarding what it is now. 1545 01:05:41,687 --> 01:05:44,189 If skateboarding wasn't that way 30, 40 years ago, 1546 01:05:44,231 --> 01:05:46,025 it wouldn't be like it is now. 1547 01:05:46,067 --> 01:05:47,568 (skateboard clattering) 1548 01:05:47,610 --> 01:05:50,654 - There's a huge difference between southern California 1549 01:05:50,696 --> 01:05:53,866 and northern California when it comes to skateboarding. 1550 01:05:55,826 --> 01:06:00,706 I mean, Northern California is this pure thrash. 1551 01:06:00,748 --> 01:06:02,208 Kick-ass, thrash shit 1552 01:06:03,250 --> 01:06:06,879 and living on the edge of life, period. 1553 01:06:10,216 --> 01:06:15,304 (skateboards clattering) (groovy music continues) 1554 01:06:26,357 --> 01:06:31,404 (seagulls cawing) (light music) 1555 01:06:32,363 --> 01:06:35,825 (skateboards clattering) 1556 01:06:36,909 --> 01:06:39,912 - Today I came 'cause of this pool. 1557 01:06:41,288 --> 01:06:44,291 Just N-Men thing, they're having a SoCal man thing. 1558 01:06:44,333 --> 01:06:47,586 (laughs) It's a S-Man, mixed with N-Men, 1559 01:06:47,628 --> 01:06:48,879 and you get this thing. 1560 01:06:50,297 --> 01:06:51,715 - So it's gonna be a special day 1561 01:06:51,757 --> 01:06:53,384 just to skate with all these guys out here. 1562 01:06:53,426 --> 01:06:56,053 We don't get to skate John's pool very much. 1563 01:06:56,095 --> 01:06:58,097 No longer resides at the residence, 1564 01:06:58,139 --> 01:07:02,559 but pool's here once in a while we get to skate it, so. 1565 01:07:02,601 --> 01:07:05,270 - [James] After John O'Shei and Doug Jones had reunited, 1566 01:07:05,312 --> 01:07:06,730 we went to interview John at the 1567 01:07:06,772 --> 01:07:09,233 Southern California N-Men reunion. 1568 01:07:09,275 --> 01:07:12,820 More than a year had passed since I had last seen him. 1569 01:07:12,862 --> 01:07:14,905 I honestly didn't even recognize John 1570 01:07:14,947 --> 01:07:16,907 when he sat down in front of me. 1571 01:07:16,949 --> 01:07:19,243 What you been up to, man? 1572 01:07:20,077 --> 01:07:21,245 - Okay, all right. 1573 01:07:21,287 --> 01:07:24,456 I'm in Vegas now and I'm back in Malibu 1574 01:07:24,498 --> 01:07:27,126 skateboarding in the session with 1575 01:07:27,168 --> 01:07:28,919 a bunch of the old boys from up north 1576 01:07:28,961 --> 01:07:31,296 and some of the Southern California crew. 1577 01:07:31,338 --> 01:07:32,715 You know, it's just a get together 1578 01:07:32,757 --> 01:07:33,966 with some of my old friends 1579 01:07:34,008 --> 01:07:36,093 that I haven't seen in a long time. 1580 01:07:36,135 --> 01:07:38,762 And the N-Men and you know, they're out in force 1581 01:07:38,804 --> 01:07:40,305 so that's why I'm here. 1582 01:07:40,347 --> 01:07:42,182 - [James] How was it to see your friend Doug Jones 1583 01:07:42,224 --> 01:07:44,852 after 37 years? - It's crazy. 1584 01:07:44,894 --> 01:07:48,522 I really thought he was dead and I had no idea he could've, 1585 01:07:48,564 --> 01:07:50,482 he had disappeared for two decades. 1586 01:07:50,524 --> 01:07:54,945 I found out he was incarcerated and no one knew it. 1587 01:07:54,987 --> 01:07:57,990 Now he's really strung out and in a hurting way 1588 01:07:58,032 --> 01:08:00,826 and you know, a lifetime of involvement 1589 01:08:00,868 --> 01:08:04,496 in criminal culture did that to him. 1590 01:08:04,538 --> 01:08:05,789 You know, his goal was to make it 1591 01:08:05,831 --> 01:08:07,499 to this event (indistinct), 1592 01:08:07,541 --> 01:08:09,001 'cause he's got the bracelet on, 1593 01:08:09,043 --> 01:08:11,378 so he is not allowed to leave LA County, you know? 1594 01:08:11,420 --> 01:08:13,630 But he could come to Malibu and see everybody. 1595 01:08:13,672 --> 01:08:16,091 He couldn't go to Northern California and see everybody, 1596 01:08:16,133 --> 01:08:17,051 you know what I mean? 1597 01:08:17,093 --> 01:08:18,844 When he started coming around, 1598 01:08:18,886 --> 01:08:20,804 When he got outta jail, basically. 1599 01:08:20,846 --> 01:08:24,016 You know, Jones is kind of a bipolar person 1600 01:08:24,058 --> 01:08:26,268 and I think that caught up with him on the outside. 1601 01:08:26,310 --> 01:08:28,062 Anyway, he's back in jail now, so. 1602 01:08:29,438 --> 01:08:31,648 But, I'm gonna go visit him. 1603 01:08:31,690 --> 01:08:35,444 (somber music) - N for life! 1604 01:08:39,782 --> 01:08:41,241 - N-Men is a way of thinking. 1605 01:08:41,283 --> 01:08:45,829 It's a point of view and a shared history 1606 01:08:45,871 --> 01:08:48,499 So you know, that's what I like about it. 1607 01:08:48,541 --> 01:08:53,587 (skateboards clattering) (somber music continues) 1608 01:08:55,881 --> 01:09:00,886 (skateboard clattering) (somber music) 1609 01:09:03,597 --> 01:09:04,807 - [James] Several months later, 1610 01:09:04,849 --> 01:09:06,767 Doug Jones was released from jail. 1611 01:09:09,395 --> 01:09:11,105 John had made arrangements to bring Doug up 1612 01:09:11,147 --> 01:09:13,774 from Southern California to the annual N-Men race. 1613 01:09:13,816 --> 01:09:15,442 (skateboards whooshing) 1614 01:09:15,484 --> 01:09:17,402 It would be the first time Doug Jones 1615 01:09:17,444 --> 01:09:20,614 would be reuniting with the N-Men in over 30 years. 1616 01:09:20,656 --> 01:09:22,825 (somber music continues) 1617 01:09:22,867 --> 01:09:24,535 The N-Men were stoked at the idea 1618 01:09:24,577 --> 01:09:27,204 of getting the whole crew back together. 1619 01:09:27,246 --> 01:09:30,624 (skateboards clattering) 1620 01:09:30,666 --> 01:09:32,167 - Are you kidding? 1621 01:09:32,209 --> 01:09:35,295 I just want to kiss his cheek and see if he's in one piece. 1622 01:09:35,337 --> 01:09:38,715 You know, it's only been 30 years 1623 01:09:38,757 --> 01:09:42,970 since we sent him to Florida to clean up and get better. 1624 01:09:43,012 --> 01:09:45,347 - The way everybody's lives are all different directions, 1625 01:09:45,389 --> 01:09:48,350 but eventually everybody cross and intersect again. 1626 01:09:48,392 --> 01:09:50,144 You know, somehow that's what this all about. 1627 01:09:50,186 --> 01:09:52,688 So we're able to do it now at this time of our lives 1628 01:09:52,730 --> 01:09:55,107 because there won't be many times after this. 1629 01:09:55,149 --> 01:09:56,358 Right? 1630 01:09:56,400 --> 01:09:57,568 You know, it's amazing we all made it this far. 1631 01:09:57,610 --> 01:09:59,111 - We're old, we're not supposed to be here. 1632 01:09:59,153 --> 01:10:00,320 (all chuckling) 1633 01:10:00,362 --> 01:10:03,699 - You know, it's been what 40, 45 years? 1634 01:10:04,783 --> 01:10:07,119 Yeah, that's a long time. 1635 01:10:07,161 --> 01:10:10,998 (skateboard whooshing) (somber music continues) 1636 01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:13,375 Most people don't stay with things that long. 1637 01:10:13,417 --> 01:10:14,501 You know what I mean? 1638 01:10:15,836 --> 01:10:19,756 Things get in the way and they go on and do other things. 1639 01:10:19,798 --> 01:10:23,552 I mean, you know, I quit shooting pictures, you know? 1640 01:10:23,594 --> 01:10:25,721 I don't know what brought that on, 1641 01:10:25,763 --> 01:10:28,807 but it some, you know, something in your lifestyle 1642 01:10:28,849 --> 01:10:31,810 changes and you move on. 1643 01:10:31,852 --> 01:10:34,521 (camera clicking) (skateboard whooshing) 1644 01:10:34,563 --> 01:10:35,939 - Really honestly, it's rad 1645 01:10:35,981 --> 01:10:38,567 that you guys came out and did this. 1646 01:10:38,609 --> 01:10:40,194 Some of you guys are older than dirt 1647 01:10:40,236 --> 01:10:43,197 and some of you guys are just moldy dirt, 1648 01:10:43,239 --> 01:10:45,282 and some of you guys are young dirt. 1649 01:10:45,324 --> 01:10:49,119 But the old moldy dirt, it was really rad. 1650 01:10:49,161 --> 01:10:50,954 (indistinct chatter) 1651 01:10:50,996 --> 01:10:51,997 - Here's first place. 1652 01:10:53,415 --> 01:10:55,042 - Thanks there, Marty. 1653 01:10:55,084 --> 01:10:56,293 - God bless you, man. - Love you, brother. 1654 01:10:56,335 --> 01:10:57,669 (person cheers) - All together here. 1655 01:10:57,711 --> 01:10:59,963 - For this guy, for this guy. 1656 01:11:00,005 --> 01:11:02,716 (somber music continues) 1657 01:11:02,758 --> 01:11:04,509 - [James] It was another successful downhill race 1658 01:11:04,551 --> 01:11:05,719 put on by the N-Men. 1659 01:11:07,554 --> 01:11:10,683 But unfortunately Doug and John never showed up. 1660 01:11:12,518 --> 01:11:14,811 I wondered what had happened to them. 1661 01:11:14,853 --> 01:11:17,314 Later that day we got a text from John 1662 01:11:17,356 --> 01:11:19,900 Doug had ended up back in jail again. 1663 01:11:21,402 --> 01:11:24,988 (somber music continues) 1664 01:11:25,030 --> 01:11:28,075 (people laughing) (indistinct chatter) 1665 01:11:28,117 --> 01:11:30,286 - And the N-Men have been around since 1975 1666 01:11:31,620 --> 01:11:34,164 and we've bolstered many, many friends in the industry, 1667 01:11:34,206 --> 01:11:35,582 many, many friends locally, 1668 01:11:35,624 --> 01:11:37,751 many friends in Northern California. 1669 01:11:37,793 --> 01:11:39,503 And we're still going strong. 1670 01:11:39,545 --> 01:11:41,755 And I wanna thank everybody for being part of this. 1671 01:11:41,797 --> 01:11:45,884 - To this day, when someone says N-Men, I think of my dad, 1672 01:11:45,926 --> 01:11:49,179 the reason why we have a party every year is because of him. 1673 01:11:49,221 --> 01:11:50,847 When it comes down to it, he's the one that put the time 1674 01:11:50,889 --> 01:11:54,476 and the effort to make this stay alive because he loves it. 1675 01:11:54,518 --> 01:11:57,396 This isn't about him, it's about the group of people. 1676 01:11:57,438 --> 01:12:01,149 It is what it is because he's kept it alive 1677 01:12:01,191 --> 01:12:04,528 and the passion for it, and everyone that's involved. 1678 01:12:04,570 --> 01:12:07,322 - Katen's my key go-to guy 1679 01:12:07,364 --> 01:12:12,202 'cause he's like, he epitomizes Sacramento to me. 1680 01:12:12,244 --> 01:12:14,788 - And like Randy goes back so far 1681 01:12:14,830 --> 01:12:18,166 and you know, he's a hundred percent skateboarder. 1682 01:12:18,208 --> 01:12:19,418 He just blows me away. 1683 01:12:20,461 --> 01:12:21,712 Yeah, it's an honor to know him. 1684 01:12:21,754 --> 01:12:24,339 You know, he's triple OG in my book, you know. 1685 01:12:24,381 --> 01:12:26,174 - All I gotta say is if there's ever an encyclopedia 1686 01:12:26,216 --> 01:12:27,718 of skateboarding and they want a picture 1687 01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:30,762 of a definition of a hardcore skateboarder, 1688 01:12:30,804 --> 01:12:32,806 they gotta have a picture of Katen in there. 1689 01:12:32,848 --> 01:12:35,392 'Cause nobody's ever been more dedicated, charge harder, 1690 01:12:35,434 --> 01:12:36,893 been more into it and been more 1691 01:12:36,935 --> 01:12:39,062 into the spirit of what skating is. 1692 01:12:39,104 --> 01:12:41,481 Katen's one of the best men I've ever met. 1693 01:12:41,523 --> 01:12:45,527 - Yeah, the N-Men are really important to skateboarding, 1694 01:12:45,569 --> 01:12:48,155 just like Dogtown and Z-Boys are. 1695 01:12:48,197 --> 01:12:50,699 But the one thing that remains is the M-Men 1696 01:12:50,741 --> 01:12:54,578 have not stopped skateboarding since 1974 ever. 1697 01:12:54,620 --> 01:12:55,787 They're still doing it. 1698 01:12:55,829 --> 01:12:57,122 I'm proud to be a part of it. 1699 01:12:57,164 --> 01:12:59,041 - I think it's an important story 1700 01:12:59,083 --> 01:13:02,544 the N-Men spread out other than just the Sacramento area, 1701 01:13:02,586 --> 01:13:05,714 they kind of engulfed the whole northern California area 1702 01:13:05,756 --> 01:13:08,467 and there was a good group pf skaters here 1703 01:13:08,509 --> 01:13:10,052 and there still is. 1704 01:13:10,094 --> 01:13:14,097 - Not all of us were honor roll students, 1705 01:13:14,139 --> 01:13:15,807 as you might probably know. 1706 01:13:15,849 --> 01:13:17,934 It's not just the skating that brought us together, 1707 01:13:17,976 --> 01:13:20,270 but it's kind of this lifestyle. 1708 01:13:20,312 --> 01:13:23,940 You know, a lot of people have been through some rough times 1709 01:13:23,982 --> 01:13:25,776 and it's good to know that, 1710 01:13:25,818 --> 01:13:28,820 you know, they're still going strong. 1711 01:13:28,862 --> 01:13:31,740 - You had to have loyalty, integrity, 1712 01:13:31,782 --> 01:13:33,200 you had to be a standup guy. 1713 01:13:33,242 --> 01:13:34,659 You know what I'm saying? 1714 01:13:34,701 --> 01:13:38,288 And those guys in there to this day are still those guys. 1715 01:13:38,330 --> 01:13:40,832 - And who they are is what you get, so, 1716 01:13:40,874 --> 01:13:43,126 and I think everybody has a lot of respect for that. 1717 01:13:43,168 --> 01:13:46,129 - If you don't have any good family background and stuff, 1718 01:13:46,171 --> 01:13:49,174 you've got your skate family and you can always rely on 'em. 1719 01:13:49,216 --> 01:13:50,384 They got your back. 1720 01:13:50,426 --> 01:13:52,135 They give you a ride, they help you out, 1721 01:13:52,177 --> 01:13:54,096 loan you money or feed you. 1722 01:13:54,138 --> 01:13:55,889 You know, I love that. 1723 01:13:55,931 --> 01:13:58,934 - They're family guys, they have kids, 1724 01:13:58,976 --> 01:14:00,435 but they still find the time to skate 1725 01:14:00,477 --> 01:14:01,645 and make it a part of their, 1726 01:14:01,687 --> 01:14:03,730 you know, really their daily ritual. 1727 01:14:03,772 --> 01:14:05,315 - You know, it takes a village. 1728 01:14:05,357 --> 01:14:08,318 It totally takes a village to make this all happen. 1729 01:14:08,360 --> 01:14:09,861 - It's really hard to predict where the future's going, 1730 01:14:09,903 --> 01:14:12,656 but I don't see this disappearing anytime soon. 1731 01:14:12,698 --> 01:14:14,116 If I can and my sister can, 1732 01:14:14,158 --> 01:14:16,701 then we're gonna be a big part of keeping it around, so. 1733 01:14:16,743 --> 01:14:20,622 (dogs barking) (upbeat rock music) 1734 01:14:20,664 --> 01:14:24,751 - The next generation is Catherine Folsom, who's a ripper. 1735 01:14:24,793 --> 01:14:27,170 You know, she's a mom, she's an educator. 1736 01:14:27,212 --> 01:14:30,090 She is learning tricks still at the age of 32. 1737 01:14:30,132 --> 01:14:31,049 - I did it! 1738 01:14:32,926 --> 01:14:34,261 - We built this ramp in our backyard 1739 01:14:34,303 --> 01:14:35,846 and she was skating there every day. 1740 01:14:35,888 --> 01:14:38,557 It was such a weird point when she finally got the bug. 1741 01:14:38,599 --> 01:14:39,641 I tripped out. 1742 01:14:39,683 --> 01:14:41,101 I could tell she got it too. 1743 01:14:41,143 --> 01:14:43,604 It was just like, she just wanted to get better. 1744 01:14:45,564 --> 01:14:47,149 - I take pride in being N-Men. 1745 01:14:47,191 --> 01:14:48,859 (laughs) It sounds cool. 1746 01:14:48,901 --> 01:14:52,404 (upbeat rock music continues) (Catherine growling) 1747 01:14:52,446 --> 01:14:53,864 (crowd whistling) 1748 01:14:53,906 --> 01:14:56,491 - [Announcer] Catherine Folsom is N-Men of the Year. 1749 01:14:56,533 --> 01:15:01,538 (crowd cheering) (upbeat rock music continues) 1750 01:15:08,253 --> 01:15:11,381 (all cheering) 1751 01:15:11,423 --> 01:15:15,552 - I just got a N-Men of the year. (laughs) 1752 01:15:15,594 --> 01:15:16,845 It's pretty awesome. 1753 01:15:16,887 --> 01:15:18,805 I am definitely the first woman 1754 01:15:18,847 --> 01:15:20,765 to ever get N-Men of the year. 1755 01:15:20,807 --> 01:15:24,645 (Catherine yells and laughs) 1756 01:15:26,021 --> 01:15:28,356 - The other N-Woman that I saw skate 1757 01:15:28,398 --> 01:15:30,442 recently was a Beverly Flood. 1758 01:15:31,485 --> 01:15:33,987 Shows that the next generation is coming up 1759 01:15:34,029 --> 01:15:35,155 and carrying on the torch of, 1760 01:15:35,197 --> 01:15:37,073 you know, what it is to be N. 1761 01:15:37,115 --> 01:15:41,411 - I saw this group, I think it was five years ago 1762 01:15:41,453 --> 01:15:43,330 and I started just going for it. 1763 01:15:43,372 --> 01:15:46,875 And skating, skating with all these legends over here. 1764 01:15:48,335 --> 01:15:52,672 - Long after I'm gone and Steve-O's gone and Martin's gone. 1765 01:15:52,714 --> 01:15:56,092 There's gonna be kids carrying on this whole N-Men thing. 1766 01:15:56,134 --> 01:15:59,346 We're gonna put it in place where it'll be in good hands 1767 01:15:59,388 --> 01:16:02,265 and it'll go on to another generation. 1768 01:16:02,307 --> 01:16:04,142 (uplifting music) 1769 01:16:04,184 --> 01:16:07,729 We're in Auburn, California at Eric and Andrea Biebelheimer 1770 01:16:07,771 --> 01:16:10,274 and it's an amazing deal they got here. 1771 01:16:11,984 --> 01:16:14,694 It's the skate family, Miles and Tim skate, 1772 01:16:14,736 --> 01:16:17,489 Andrea and Eric, they all skate. 1773 01:16:17,531 --> 01:16:22,619 They've built this amazing clover leaf swimming pool 1774 01:16:23,704 --> 01:16:25,121 for skateboarding in their backyards. 1775 01:16:25,163 --> 01:16:27,123 Thursday nights and Sundays when they're in town, 1776 01:16:27,165 --> 01:16:30,794 it's a skate session and for anybody like that 1777 01:16:30,836 --> 01:16:34,631 to open their home to people who love what we do 1778 01:16:34,673 --> 01:16:37,050 is all part of the plan, you know? 1779 01:16:37,092 --> 01:16:40,136 - It's really, pretty deluxe, you know? 1780 01:16:40,178 --> 01:16:44,766 And so it's definitely not Minor 49er, it's the shit legit. 1781 01:16:45,851 --> 01:16:48,228 They really created something amazing here. 1782 01:16:48,270 --> 01:16:49,437 It's world class. 1783 01:16:49,479 --> 01:16:51,898 It's not just somebody's backyard grunt pool. 1784 01:16:51,940 --> 01:16:54,734 It just seems legit, you know, and it's really fun. 1785 01:16:54,776 --> 01:16:56,653 Props to them for doing that. 1786 01:16:56,695 --> 01:16:59,155 (uplifting music continues) 1787 01:16:59,197 --> 01:17:01,825 - They have a great organization called SkateMD 1788 01:17:01,867 --> 01:17:05,161 where they take a road show on the road 1789 01:17:05,203 --> 01:17:06,746 with tons of skateboards and equipment, 1790 01:17:06,788 --> 01:17:09,874 and they go and they share the skateboard experience 1791 01:17:09,916 --> 01:17:12,294 with different types of organizations 1792 01:17:12,336 --> 01:17:13,753 that have disabled children. 1793 01:17:13,795 --> 01:17:15,005 They bring everybody together. 1794 01:17:15,047 --> 01:17:16,881 It's been a really successful program. 1795 01:17:16,923 --> 01:17:20,594 I mean, they're all about giving back through skateboarding. 1796 01:17:21,803 --> 01:17:23,930 - [All] SkateMD, SkateMD! 1797 01:17:24,890 --> 01:17:26,516 - I feel like I've learned a lot 1798 01:17:26,558 --> 01:17:28,268 from skateboarding over the years. 1799 01:17:29,686 --> 01:17:32,689 And for life, it's not just about being N-Men, whatever. 1800 01:17:32,731 --> 01:17:35,609 It's about being in life. 1801 01:17:35,651 --> 01:17:39,779 Living in life. (uplifting music continues) 1802 01:17:39,821 --> 01:17:42,741 - The age span of N-Men, it's undefinable really. 1803 01:17:42,783 --> 01:17:47,037 It's, yeah, anywhere from 70 years old to 10 years older. 1804 01:17:47,079 --> 01:17:48,705 It's generations. 1805 01:17:48,747 --> 01:17:51,374 It's not really like you have to fit 1806 01:17:51,416 --> 01:17:55,378 into a certain age category or a certain style. 1807 01:17:55,420 --> 01:17:56,880 It's an attitude more than anything. 1808 01:17:56,922 --> 01:18:00,800 - A lot of kids don't have the potential 1809 01:18:00,842 --> 01:18:03,345 from their family or their influence from anyone 1810 01:18:03,387 --> 01:18:06,765 to give them the true roots of what skateboarding is. 1811 01:18:06,807 --> 01:18:09,100 So they can learn from a book, 1812 01:18:09,142 --> 01:18:12,312 they can learn from seeing other kids doing it, right? 1813 01:18:12,354 --> 01:18:14,230 But to truly get it hardcore 1814 01:18:14,272 --> 01:18:17,025 is they almost need a big brother 1815 01:18:17,067 --> 01:18:18,234 or somebody, you know what I mean? 1816 01:18:18,276 --> 01:18:20,695 To give 'em kind of the school of hard knocks. 1817 01:18:20,737 --> 01:18:23,073 - Long hairs, dude, we shred. Skaters! 1818 01:18:23,115 --> 01:18:24,574 Whew! 1819 01:18:24,616 --> 01:18:28,161 - Dartanyan reminds me of Dave Morehouse when he was young. 1820 01:18:28,203 --> 01:18:31,706 He skates almost exactly the same way. 1821 01:18:31,748 --> 01:18:33,416 He's got most of his stuff 1822 01:18:33,458 --> 01:18:35,752 is totally seventies old school skateboarding, 1823 01:18:35,794 --> 01:18:38,922 and they both have that long flowing hair. 1824 01:18:38,964 --> 01:18:41,257 - Teaching the next generation. 1825 01:18:41,299 --> 01:18:43,968 (uplifting music continues) 1826 01:18:44,010 --> 01:18:45,679 - The thing I could say to the kids more than anything 1827 01:18:45,721 --> 01:18:47,305 is don't let it die. 1828 01:18:48,140 --> 01:18:49,140 Carry it on. 1829 01:18:49,182 --> 01:18:50,725 The youth is the future. 1830 01:18:50,767 --> 01:18:54,312 And the youth needs to carry on what the N-Men started. 1831 01:18:54,354 --> 01:18:55,980 - We all love to relive the old days. 1832 01:18:56,022 --> 01:18:58,650 We all love to tell each other how great we are and were, 1833 01:18:58,692 --> 01:19:03,196 but it's actually something that was bigger than all of us. 1834 01:19:03,238 --> 01:19:05,156 We all, you know, go different paths, 1835 01:19:05,198 --> 01:19:07,575 but we all still live on the same plane. 1836 01:19:07,617 --> 01:19:09,994 That's why it is a greater shared experience 1837 01:19:10,036 --> 01:19:13,164 because we are all more experienced in life 1838 01:19:13,206 --> 01:19:16,543 and we understand what it really was. 1839 01:19:16,585 --> 01:19:18,378 Even though we didn't really know back then 1840 01:19:18,420 --> 01:19:21,047 and we respected even more now for being so. 1841 01:19:22,507 --> 01:19:24,801 - In every town in America, 1842 01:19:24,843 --> 01:19:28,680 there are the kids that their life is shit. 1843 01:19:32,517 --> 01:19:37,606 And skateboarding can put you in a place 1844 01:19:39,441 --> 01:19:42,485 where you can gain control of that. 1845 01:19:42,527 --> 01:19:43,987 Okay? 1846 01:19:44,029 --> 01:19:48,450 All the negativity can be put in second behind you 1847 01:19:49,743 --> 01:19:51,327 when you have the freedom of riding your board 1848 01:19:51,369 --> 01:19:54,497 with your friends in an environment 1849 01:19:54,539 --> 01:19:57,000 where you have total acceptance. 1850 01:19:57,042 --> 01:20:01,171 But if you got a board and you are in there with the crew, 1851 01:20:01,213 --> 01:20:02,964 then you're part of it, man. 1852 01:20:03,006 --> 01:20:03,965 You're part of it. 1853 01:20:05,383 --> 01:20:08,511 - The N-Men have been there for me as a group of people 1854 01:20:08,553 --> 01:20:11,681 when I really didn't have anybody else. 1855 01:20:11,723 --> 01:20:14,517 Always be able to skate with Bix, 1856 01:20:14,559 --> 01:20:15,811 any one of the guys. 1857 01:20:16,728 --> 01:20:18,855 Doug Jones, we've been- 1858 01:20:18,897 --> 01:20:20,273 - Don't listen to this guy. 1859 01:20:20,315 --> 01:20:24,236 (all exclaiming and laughing) 1860 01:20:25,612 --> 01:20:28,615 - See, this is exactly what I fucking was talking about. 1861 01:20:28,657 --> 01:20:30,700 See. - Never trust a Pirate. 1862 01:20:30,742 --> 01:20:31,534 - It's all lies! 1863 01:20:31,576 --> 01:20:32,911 It's all lies! 1864 01:20:32,953 --> 01:20:34,829 - See, that's what I mean, family. 1865 01:20:34,871 --> 01:20:39,584 This is my family. (uplifting music continues) 1866 01:20:42,295 --> 01:20:44,840 (somber music) 1867 01:20:51,304 --> 01:20:52,472 - [Person] All right, 1868 01:20:52,514 --> 01:20:53,457 we are rolling. - [James] You want him 1869 01:20:53,499 --> 01:20:54,307 to clap? 1870 01:20:54,349 --> 01:20:55,391 - [Person] Sure, yeah. - [James] All right. 1871 01:20:55,433 --> 01:20:56,226 Here we are. 1872 01:20:56,268 --> 01:20:57,936 February 16th. 1873 01:20:59,229 --> 01:21:00,897 - Yes. - [James] 2019. 1874 01:21:00,939 --> 01:21:01,815 - Yes sir. 1875 01:21:02,607 --> 01:21:03,817 - [James] How you been? 1876 01:21:03,859 --> 01:21:06,862 - I've been fine, a lot better than I have. 1877 01:21:08,530 --> 01:21:09,906 - [James] What's been going on? 1878 01:21:09,948 --> 01:21:13,785 - Well, I just got outta jail on the seventh. 1879 01:21:14,828 --> 01:21:16,538 Well, actually Super Bowl Sunday. 1880 01:21:16,580 --> 01:21:17,580 - [James] How long were you in jail? 1881 01:21:17,622 --> 01:21:18,748 - Eight months. 1882 01:21:20,292 --> 01:21:22,460 I just don't want ever go back to that lifestyle again. 1883 01:21:22,502 --> 01:21:24,629 I wanna get far away from it as possible. 1884 01:21:26,464 --> 01:21:29,676 I know what I'm capable of and I know where I've been. 1885 01:21:30,969 --> 01:21:34,222 And the path that I'm going down right now. 1886 01:21:34,264 --> 01:21:36,850 It's killing me. (sobs) 1887 01:21:39,394 --> 01:21:41,187 I'm very tired. 1888 01:21:41,229 --> 01:21:42,647 You know, I'm battered. 1889 01:21:45,358 --> 01:21:49,362 About almost a month after I went in, 1890 01:21:49,404 --> 01:21:52,991 I called my mother down in Miami and she told me, 1891 01:21:54,326 --> 01:21:56,160 asked me, "have I talked to John?" 1892 01:21:56,202 --> 01:21:56,995 I said, "no." 1893 01:21:59,581 --> 01:22:00,665 I called back the next day 1894 01:22:00,707 --> 01:22:02,709 and she said he was in the hospital. 1895 01:22:04,002 --> 01:22:06,379 He's on life support. (sobs) 1896 01:22:13,303 --> 01:22:14,179 That’s my boy! 1897 01:22:16,848 --> 01:22:19,142 And the next thing I called, they said he was dead. 1898 01:22:19,184 --> 01:22:22,729 They took him off life support. (sobs) 1899 01:22:25,982 --> 01:22:28,193 That was my bro, man. 1900 01:22:30,528 --> 01:22:31,905 That was family, man. 1901 01:22:33,865 --> 01:22:35,992 He was the best friend I ever had in my whole entire life. 1902 01:22:36,034 --> 01:22:38,328 I loved him more than my own brother. 1903 01:22:38,370 --> 01:22:40,663 My flesh blood brother, man. 1904 01:22:40,705 --> 01:22:42,040 John was my family. 1905 01:22:42,082 --> 01:22:44,000 There was no question about it. 1906 01:22:44,042 --> 01:22:45,376 You know, I'd die for John. 1907 01:22:45,418 --> 01:22:48,338 I would take my life before him. 1908 01:22:48,380 --> 01:22:49,881 That's how I felt about it. 1909 01:22:54,052 --> 01:22:55,887 I loved John 'cause he cared. 1910 01:22:55,929 --> 01:22:57,472 He cared about people. 1911 01:22:58,640 --> 01:22:59,849 He loved to help people 1912 01:22:59,891 --> 01:23:01,851 and he didn't like to see anybody suffer. 1913 01:23:02,894 --> 01:23:05,230 John had an enormous heart 1914 01:23:06,439 --> 01:23:07,607 and he cared about me. 1915 01:23:09,776 --> 01:23:11,861 - [James] Doug, what would you say 1916 01:23:11,903 --> 01:23:13,821 to the skateboarding world? 1917 01:23:13,863 --> 01:23:15,990 - I'd say enjoy what you have now, 1918 01:23:16,032 --> 01:23:18,284 and my friends, you know? 1919 01:23:18,326 --> 01:23:21,454 You know, my friends, you know, they... 1920 01:23:21,496 --> 01:23:22,705 N-Men for life. 1921 01:23:22,747 --> 01:23:24,624 There, that's what it's all about. 1922 01:23:24,666 --> 01:23:25,541 They're for life. 1923 01:23:25,583 --> 01:23:27,043 They're my friends for life. 1924 01:23:27,085 --> 01:23:29,963 They've showed me, you know, that they're here. 1925 01:23:30,005 --> 01:23:34,342 You know, no matter what my situations were 1926 01:23:34,384 --> 01:23:36,761 in the time I was gone, when I returned, 1927 01:23:36,803 --> 01:23:39,180 they're here and they're there for me. 1928 01:23:39,222 --> 01:23:40,556 They're here for me. 1929 01:23:40,598 --> 01:23:45,186 You know, that's what it means to me. 1930 01:23:45,228 --> 01:23:47,271 (somber music) (camera reel clicking) 1931 01:23:47,313 --> 01:23:49,399 - [John] An empty pool holds a special place 1932 01:23:49,441 --> 01:23:52,652 in the hearts of anybody who has ever skated one. 1933 01:23:52,694 --> 01:23:54,404 Does anybody out there find themselves 1934 01:23:54,446 --> 01:23:58,282 scanning the landscape for skate spots as they drive? 1935 01:23:58,324 --> 01:24:00,952 I still do, everywhere I go. 1936 01:24:01,995 --> 01:24:04,205 Or when you're taking off on a plane, 1937 01:24:04,247 --> 01:24:07,250 do you look out the window for empty pools, square pools, 1938 01:24:07,292 --> 01:24:09,794 kidneys, keyholes, figure eights? 1939 01:24:11,171 --> 01:24:14,257 As long as they're empty, they give me a hard on. 1940 01:24:14,299 --> 01:24:17,760 I love the whole feel of being in a pool with no water. 1941 01:24:17,802 --> 01:24:19,762 There's something surreal about it, 1942 01:24:19,804 --> 01:24:22,140 like being in a Salvador Dolly painting. 1943 01:24:23,224 --> 01:24:25,685 There's something odd and unnatural about it, 1944 01:24:26,811 --> 01:24:27,771 but pleasing. 1945 01:24:28,813 --> 01:24:32,317 (somber music continues) 1946 01:24:36,821 --> 01:24:40,825 (skateboard clattering softly) 1947 01:24:48,208 --> 01:24:51,294 (upbeat rock music) 1948 01:24:54,422 --> 01:24:56,340 (hands claps) - Ow! 1949 01:24:56,382 --> 01:24:58,009 (upbeat rock music) 1950 01:24:58,051 --> 01:24:59,677 - [James] What do you know about the N-Men? 1951 01:25:01,513 --> 01:25:05,641 - Ancient, methodical creatures. 1952 01:25:05,683 --> 01:25:07,393 - You were so good, nobody would skate 'em 1953 01:25:07,435 --> 01:25:08,770 and you would pick the ricks outta the magazine. 1954 01:25:08,812 --> 01:25:09,937 - No, no. 1955 01:25:09,979 --> 01:25:11,022 We're talking about music now, so- 1956 01:25:11,064 --> 01:25:11,981 - No, you ran. - These guys come along- 1957 01:25:12,023 --> 01:25:12,648 - You ran. - Yeah, yeah. 1958 01:25:12,690 --> 01:25:14,108 - Okay, fine. 1959 01:25:14,150 --> 01:25:15,276 - So you have to grab a handful of forks and knives. 1960 01:25:15,318 --> 01:25:16,486 One, two, three, whoo! 1961 01:25:16,528 --> 01:25:18,446 And it'd be you chuck 'em and be like, ah! 1962 01:25:18,488 --> 01:25:20,656 I learned like that from them, that's what I remember. 1963 01:25:20,698 --> 01:25:21,866 Wow, this is crazy. 1964 01:25:21,908 --> 01:25:22,992 I wouldn't trade this for the world. 1965 01:25:23,034 --> 01:25:24,702 What the fuck am I doing? 1966 01:25:24,744 --> 01:25:25,995 ♪ One, two, three, four 1967 01:25:26,037 --> 01:25:27,163 ♪ We don't care what you're people say ♪ 1968 01:25:27,205 --> 01:25:28,706 - Damn skateboards. 1969 01:25:28,748 --> 01:25:30,166 - You went and did a demo in Sacramento. 1970 01:25:30,208 --> 01:25:31,417 Go skate. 1971 01:25:31,459 --> 01:25:32,919 That was, it was a hardcore crowd. 1972 01:25:32,961 --> 01:25:35,254 I remember, like, I did a demo with Cav in the parking lot 1973 01:25:35,296 --> 01:25:38,508 and then there were all these weird little like spine ramps 1974 01:25:38,550 --> 01:25:40,259 and then-(indistinct chatter) 1975 01:25:40,301 --> 01:25:42,303 Yeah and we would just keep moving stuff around 1976 01:25:42,345 --> 01:25:43,721 to create a new obstacle. 1977 01:25:45,014 --> 01:25:45,848 Yeah. 1978 01:25:45,890 --> 01:25:47,600 Yeah, that was sick. 1979 01:25:47,642 --> 01:25:49,352 ♪ Tonight 1980 01:25:49,394 --> 01:25:51,354 - Still running the whole deal. 1981 01:25:51,396 --> 01:25:53,689 Hold on buddy! (all laughing) 1982 01:25:53,731 --> 01:25:55,691 This is N-Men, bro! 1983 01:25:55,733 --> 01:25:56,692 - What is an N-Men? 1984 01:25:56,734 --> 01:25:57,527 Northern man. 1985 01:25:57,569 --> 01:25:58,778 It's fucking... 1986 01:25:58,820 --> 01:26:00,029 They're a badass group of old guys 1987 01:26:00,071 --> 01:26:01,864 that fucking tear it up in skate parks still. 1988 01:26:01,906 --> 01:26:04,700 - It's something that I'll do till the day I die. 1989 01:26:04,742 --> 01:26:05,660 Period. 1990 01:26:08,496 --> 01:26:09,705 ♪ Our right to fight 1991 01:26:09,747 --> 01:26:10,915 - What else can I say? 1992 01:26:11,958 --> 01:26:15,044 (upbeat rock music) 1993 01:26:17,422 --> 01:26:22,510 ♪ Our right to fight 1994 01:26:26,222 --> 01:26:31,269 ♪ Our right to fight 1995 01:26:35,106 --> 01:26:38,985 ♪ Our right to fight 1996 01:26:39,027 --> 01:26:42,947 (upbeat rock music continues) 147553

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