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ª I'm looking up
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ª Cause baby I've been down
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ª I'm looking up
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ª Tired of bringing you down
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(police radio chatter)
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When I got there, they had
the scene very well secured.
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They had the entire
block taped off.
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Front door wide open,
little music playing
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in the background,
candles are lit inside.
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Very violent confrontation.
Rage.
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Two victims, blood everywhere.
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We find a glove...
It's a left glove-
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and a blood trail indicating the
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suspect has been wounded
on the left side.
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So we're just getting
into this when we
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find out that this is apparently
OJ Simpson's estranged wife.
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We have two children asleep.
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I have a very brutal murder.
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Someone's gotta make a death
notification of next of kin.
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Which is Simpson.
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Lang and Vannatter
were talking
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and they called
me over and said,
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"You were at Simpson's
house once, right?
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We want you to
take us up there."
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We pull close to the gate.
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Vannatter was
hitting the doorbell,
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they keep ringing the doorbell
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and so I just stroll
down the street.
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(ominous music)
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By the other gate,
there's a white Bronco.
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On the driver's side
door handle, blood.
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I mean there was enough
evidence outside,
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we gotta make sure
everybody's okay in here.
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Oh God, what are we going to
do, Simpson's in there dead.
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Well, yeah, we need to go in.
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So I jumped up over the
fence and I opened the gate.
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(ominous music)
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Bang on the front
door, nothing.
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Walk around to the back,
there's a couple of bungalows.
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The first one
was Kato Kaelin's.
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Kato Kaelin was a live-in...
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...friend.
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We said, "we're the police,
check on Mr. Simpson."
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OJ's in Chicago.
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Well, he left last night.
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Oh, thank God.
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They all leave and I'm
left here with Kato Kaelin.
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I go, "Tell me what
you did last night."
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He goes, "well I was
talking on the phone
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and all a sudden there
was, like, an earthquake.
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It was just like...
(pounding)
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...on the wall
and pictures shook."
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Okay.
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I walk back outside
and I start walking
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down the back,
behind the bungalows.
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And then as I pan down,
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I see this brown, glistening...
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At first I thought
it was dog crap.
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And then I shined a light on it.
It's a glove.
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Just like the one...
Ed Bundy...
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Uh, yeah, this is
gonna get deep.
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This is gonna be a crime scene.
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(ominous music)
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I make the decision
to make a telephonic
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to the Brown family
and I talk to Lou Brown
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and say that your daughter
Nicole is dead.
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It's quiet for about
two seconds then
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all this screaming.
It's Nicole's sister, Denise.
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"I knew that motherfucker,
he was gonna kill,
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I knew he was gonna do this."
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I mean, she didn't hesitate.
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Nobody comes unglued like that
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unless they have a
strong suspicion.
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We gotta look at it a
little differently now.
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We lock everything down,
no more searching,
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can't do anything
until we get a warrant.
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Phil Vannatter
called me and said,
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"I've got some information;
I need to get a search warrant.
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I need you to tell me if
you think it sounds okay."
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And hejust summarized the
evidence and it was huge.
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Okay, yeah, go ahead,
get the search warrant, you're fine.
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And he said, "You know who it is?
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It's OJ Simpson."
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OJ Simpson?
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Um...
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I was never into sports,
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so I didn't even know
what game he played.
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I thought he was a has-been.
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Monday afternoon
came around,
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Simpson came back from Chicago
and they handcuff him.
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It was quite surprising.
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Your ex-husband's always
a suspect in a case.
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Okay, wow. (laughing)
Here we go.
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(ominous music)
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He said he's gonna talk to
us, which is really strange.
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You have one
opportunity forever
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to talk to this guy, forever.
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He's thinking he can
control a couple of cops.
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Especially these guys 'cause,
you know, they're pretty nice.
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What Vannatter and
Lang failed to do was
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simply to pin him down on what
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he did on the day of the murder.
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OJ just rambled and
created an interview
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transcript that was
useless to the prosecution.
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What do you mean,
you were running
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around doing what you do?
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What do you mean?
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What do you mean you
cut yourself in Chicago
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but the blood got on the
Bronco before you left.
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What do you mean?
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There's a million things
that they just let go.
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Yeah, uh huh, yeah, uh huh.
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Oh my God.
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What I wanted was
his blood, photographs
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taken of the bleeding
finger, I wanted his
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fingerprints now that
we've got his cooperation.
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We get the blood,
we get all these things
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we want which are
going to be evidence.
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And then, ya know,
he's released.
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What?
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Why would you do that?
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If he was any other guy,
would you have let him go?
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And they said,
"where can he go?
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After all, what can he do?"
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I mean, everybody
recognizes him.
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I mean, everybody
recognizes him.
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(orchestral music)
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When I went over
to Rockingham,
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he had like three TV's
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and each and every one of them,
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he had a different channel on.
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Suspect, what are
you talking about?
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Is he crazy?
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And I said, "OJ, what
happened to your finger?"
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And he says, "I cut it
on a glass in Chicago."
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And I went oh, okay.
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Somebody else sat down and
asked him the same question
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and he said, "I was
chipping golf balls."
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And I went, uh-hmm,
later on that evening,
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same question came out,
"Oh man, I was getting
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the cell phone out of
the Bronco, cut myself."
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I was like, wow.
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I tried to leave there and
OJ goes, "Shipp, hold on."
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And he says, "They
asked me to take
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a lie detector test.
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I told them no."
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I said, "what do you mean,
you told them no?"
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And he says, you know,
jokingly, he says
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"well, you know to
be truthful, Shipp,
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I have had dreams of killing her."
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I wanted to leave.
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I said, "I'm outta here."
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Here, at OJ Simpson's home,
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in the fashionable
suburb of Brentwood,
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the world media has
settled in to the siege.
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Against the public
backdrop,
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police are quietly,
methodically reconstructing
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the events of last Sunday evening
to answerthe question:
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Could this American sports hero,
possibly, be a murderer?
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(deep bass music)
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(jet engines)
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At the time that
this murder took place,
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OJ was at home,
awaiting a limousine
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to take him to the airport
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for a promotional
event in Chicago.
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OJ Simpson has described
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him as his quarterback.
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He is defense attorney
Robert Shapiro.
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I agree with that assessment.
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(upbeat music)
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He was known as the fixer.
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He was a Hollywood lawyer.
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He was not know as a
"trial dogg" with two G's.
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You hired Bob
Shapiro to cut a deal.
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Bob had never
tried a murder case.
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And so when he called me in June
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and said, "I need some
help in the OJ case."
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I was more than ready.
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Well, I worked for Bob Shapiro
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on some of his other cases
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and I was pretty successful.
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So they recruited me as
the defense investigator.
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OJ was putting
together his team.
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They sent a guy over to me.
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"Hey man, we're putting
togetherthis thing."
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"We're going to need you,
OJ needs you."
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And I said, "I'm not on board."
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And I'll never forget that
investigator's look on his face.
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He said, "what?"
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I said, "OJ killed her,
I'm not on board."
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(piano music)
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I gotta say, I had
a lot of fun with her.
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At times, I felt like a
big brother to her 'cause
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I'd come overthere and
she'd share things with me.
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And I kinda felt
special that she thought
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enough of me to tell
me her problems.
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She's a great human being.
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Thank you.
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(applause)
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I remember early in...
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in the years that her
and OJ was dating,
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we were all down
in the Caribbean.
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OJ was working on a film,
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and if a lot of don't know,
I'm gonna let you know now,
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blacks can not swim,
we can't float.
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(laughter)
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Justin can.
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Well, thank God,
well he got that from his mom.
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So, we're out in the
saltwater, right?
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And Nicole is out there
looking like, you know,
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she was made to swim,
she's backstroking and
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she's doing all these things.
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So, here's OJ and I,
we're standing
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on the shore and
she's waving us in.
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(laughter)
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Now, this is saltwater,
in the Caribbean.
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Everything down there floats.
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OJ and I got out there
and we tried to float,
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and she thought that's
the funniest thing
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she'd ever seen in her life.
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She could not believe it.
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And one of the
things about Nicole,
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which all of you will agree,
was Nicole's laugh.
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Once that woman laughed,
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she was, uh...
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She brought out a lot
of goodness in you.
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Nicole was very,
very special to me.
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That was my buddy.
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And, um...
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And I know, Sydney and Justin,
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you've been blessed
because a lot
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of her character and
the goodness about her.
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You're not going
to notice it now,
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but you're going to
notice it as you get older
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cause she's laid a great
foundation for you two.
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I love you, Nicole,
and I love you too, Jason.
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I mean Justin and Sydney
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and I'll always will
be there foryou.
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(applause)
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OJ Simpson may soon
face legal action.
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The Associated Press
says a homicide detective
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has told them Simpson's
arrest is imminent.
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It is not only
OJ Simpson's life
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that is coming under
the media microscope.
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Reporters are looking,
too, at Ronald Goldman,
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the aspiring model, who was
killed with Nicole Simpson.
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His family said he was
nothing more than a friend.
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He was a special human being
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that didn't deserve
what's happened.
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He was gonna
open a restaurant.
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After Ron was murdered,
we went to his apartment.
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He had a floor plan,
he had a menu,
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he had names of people whose art
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he was gonna hang on the wall.
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He had everything worked out.
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Obviously, this is
your older brother.
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We don't get to spend
very much time together,
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so I'm very glad that
I was able to be here.
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So I love you very much
and I'll see you soon.
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That was all taken away.
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My sister's body was gonna
be behind closed doors.
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I said to my friend,
"I can't go in there."
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And as I'm having
this conversation
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with them I'm hearing screams.
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Looking at her
I can remember a black
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dress up to her neck because
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what I had heard is
that her head was
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almost cut off all the way.
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Which even shocked
me more and more.
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I mean that was just like...
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and seeing her there,
lying there in a coffin.
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I mean, it really, I mean,
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I don't know,
it's just terrible.
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He came to the wake.
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It was just unbelievable.
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We were all kind of in
shock that he came there.
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Judy asked him directly,
"Did you kill my daughter?"
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"No, no. I loved her too much."
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He was, like,
on Xanax or something.
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He was just sedated.
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I leaned over to him and said,
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"we're going to
get through this."
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I had no idea what was going on.
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(orchestral music)
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Action News has
learned that Simpson's
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attorney is working
on a deal with police
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for Simpson's surrender
to avoid what the
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lawyer calls, and we quote,
"a media circus."
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00:20:04,175 --> 00:20:06,939
(orchestral music)
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Shapiro was going to surrender
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him to the detectives
in the morning.
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00:20:34,405 --> 00:20:35,633
We're standing
outside Parker Center
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00:20:36,007 --> 00:20:38,498
waiting for OJ to
turn himself in.
294
00:20:40,411 --> 00:20:43,938
Every time a car would
pass by, is that OJ?
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00:20:46,684 --> 00:20:48,515
I think it was 11:00.
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00:20:49,687 --> 00:20:52,383
Oh, no, he doesn't show up.
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00:20:53,524 --> 00:20:57,358
I think I'd already
scheduled a press conference.
298
00:20:57,495 --> 00:20:59,463
And it's like, oh, no.
299
00:21:00,198 --> 00:21:04,066
We potentially could look
like a bunch of clowns here.
300
00:21:08,039 --> 00:21:11,531
I did not know about the
arrangements for his surrender.
301
00:21:11,943 --> 00:21:12,602
I went with the
assumption that they
302
00:21:12,977 --> 00:21:14,604
would announce that
he had been arrested.
303
00:21:14,979 --> 00:21:17,607
Gascon's coming up.
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00:21:17,982 --> 00:21:18,607
Looking out at the auditorium,
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00:21:18,983 --> 00:21:21,178
not only are all
the seats taken,
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00:21:21,352 --> 00:21:22,478
but all the aisles arejammed,
307
00:21:22,654 --> 00:21:25,214
the front is jammed,
the back wall is jammed.
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00:21:25,423 --> 00:21:28,017
He's on the stage.
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00:21:28,192 --> 00:21:28,988
And I was the
one who was gonna
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have to stand out there naked.
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00:21:35,366 --> 00:21:38,301
This morning detectives
from the Los Angeles
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00:21:38,436 --> 00:21:42,202
Police Department sought
and obtained a warrant
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forthe arrest of OJ
Simpson, charging him
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with the murders of
Nicole Brown Simpson
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00:21:48,479 --> 00:21:50,709
and Ronald Lyle Goldman.
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00:21:52,183 --> 00:21:57,246
Mr. Simpson, in agreement
with his attorney,
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00:21:58,489 --> 00:22:00,719
was scheduled to
surrender this morning,
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00:22:01,059 --> 00:22:03,118
to the Los Angeles
Police Department.
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00:22:03,294 --> 00:22:05,626
Initially, that was 11:00.
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00:22:07,098 --> 00:22:09,498
It then became 11:45.
321
00:22:10,535 --> 00:22:13,663
Mr. Simpson has not appeared.
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00:22:18,009 --> 00:22:20,637
The Los Angeles Police
Department, right now,
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00:22:21,012 --> 00:22:24,470
is actively searching
for Mr. Simpson.
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00:22:27,518 --> 00:22:29,008
The gasp that went
through the room,
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00:22:29,187 --> 00:22:30,381
I think it's right
at that moment,
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00:22:30,555 --> 00:22:33,149
that I realized,
oh boy, this is big.
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00:22:33,324 --> 00:22:36,225
We will continue our
pursuit of Mr. Simpson
328
00:22:36,394 --> 00:22:39,591
and hope to have him
in custody soon.
329
00:22:41,265 --> 00:22:42,732
He's gone.
330
00:22:43,067 --> 00:22:43,726
I looked at Marika and said,
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00:22:44,102 --> 00:22:46,696
"It's a helicopter story now.
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00:22:47,071 --> 00:22:50,040
Let's find this son of a bitch."
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00:22:50,208 --> 00:22:51,573
I can take a few questions.
334
00:22:51,743 --> 00:22:54,576
(everyone speaks at once)
335
00:22:54,746 --> 00:22:56,008
I'd known Gascon
for a long time
336
00:22:56,180 --> 00:22:59,411
and he's a fairly easy going
guy normally.
337
00:22:59,550 --> 00:23:00,608
You're gonna have
to hold it down.
338
00:23:00,785 --> 00:23:02,616
One at a time or won't
be able to hearyou.
339
00:23:02,787 --> 00:23:05,347
Then a sense of humor
to add a light touch.
340
00:23:05,523 --> 00:23:07,616
You asked a question,
would you like for me to answer?
341
00:23:07,792 --> 00:23:10,420
He got pretty
tightly wound that day.
342
00:23:10,595 --> 00:23:12,722
I doubt that there's
anyone around this country
343
00:23:13,097 --> 00:23:14,325
that's been monitoring
television, radio,
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00:23:14,499 --> 00:23:16,763
or newspapers, that
doesn't know at this point
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00:23:17,135 --> 00:23:20,195
that something's
going on in this case.
346
00:23:22,173 --> 00:23:27,304
If you, in any way,
are assisting Mr. Simpson
347
00:23:27,478 --> 00:23:30,311
in avoiding justice,
Mr. Simpson is a fugitive of
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00:23:30,515 --> 00:23:33,075
justice right now.
349
00:23:33,484 --> 00:23:35,714
And if you assist
him in any way,
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00:23:36,087 --> 00:23:38,487
you are committing a felony.
351
00:23:39,524 --> 00:23:41,321
I was pissed off
that we were in essence
352
00:23:41,492 --> 00:23:44,461
given the old Italian gesture.
353
00:23:45,596 --> 00:23:50,260
I don't recall being that upset
before in the DA's office.
354
00:23:50,434 --> 00:23:52,163
I'm angry, I'm not embarrassed.
355
00:23:52,303 --> 00:23:54,362
Angry at who, beyond...
356
00:23:54,539 --> 00:23:56,564
I'm angry at OJ Simpson.
357
00:24:04,415 --> 00:24:06,747
(police radio)
358
00:24:32,310 --> 00:24:34,870
It is not an escape,
he was not under arrest.
359
00:24:35,246 --> 00:24:40,479
He was under sedation in a
very, very emotional state.
360
00:24:42,186 --> 00:24:46,350
He was at a residence
that is secluded,
361
00:24:46,524 --> 00:24:49,652
that is very, very hard to find,
362
00:24:49,794 --> 00:24:52,388
and there was never
any thought of him
363
00:24:52,563 --> 00:24:54,827
leaving that residence without us.
364
00:24:57,301 --> 00:25:01,294
This letter was
written by OJ today.
365
00:25:02,607 --> 00:25:06,509
First, everyone understand,
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00:25:06,677 --> 00:25:10,511
I had nothing to do
with Nicole's murder.
367
00:25:11,782 --> 00:25:16,742
I loved her, always
have, and always will.
368
00:25:16,921 --> 00:25:22,860
If we had a problem,
it's because I loved her so much.
369
00:25:24,362 --> 00:25:26,853
It's 1700, 5 pm,
when you have
370
00:25:27,231 --> 00:25:29,859
Kardashian reading the letter.
371
00:25:30,234 --> 00:25:35,399
I thought, wow, maybe
he killed himself.
372
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:41,268
I think of my life
and feel I've done most
373
00:25:41,445 --> 00:25:45,848
of the right things,
so why do I end up like this?
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00:25:47,585 --> 00:25:49,416
I can't go on.
375
00:25:50,388 --> 00:25:53,357
No matter what the outcome,
376
00:25:53,491 --> 00:25:55,584
people will look and point.
377
00:25:56,594 --> 00:25:58,255
I can't take that.
378
00:25:58,396 --> 00:26:01,957
I can't subject my
children to that.
379
00:26:02,733 --> 00:26:05,327
We deal with folks
who are in crisis
380
00:26:05,503 --> 00:26:10,941
and get to a very dark
place and they just do it.
381
00:26:11,876 --> 00:26:13,969
Don't feel sorry for me.
382
00:26:15,246 --> 00:26:16,907
I've had a great life.
383
00:26:17,281 --> 00:26:18,873
Great friends.
384
00:26:19,250 --> 00:26:24,552
Please think of the real OJ
and not this lost person.
385
00:26:28,726 --> 00:26:34,255
The note says, to me,
feel sorry for me but...
386
00:26:34,865 --> 00:26:37,493
I'm the guy, you know,
I'm the bad guy.
387
00:26:40,805 --> 00:26:42,500
He was,
Mr. Cowlings was with him,
388
00:26:42,673 --> 00:26:46,006
he was his best friend,
he was by his side
389
00:26:46,377 --> 00:26:49,505
for the last few minutes
alone while we were upstairs.
390
00:26:51,749 --> 00:26:54,547
ACjust had a love for OJ.
391
00:26:56,454 --> 00:26:59,480
I remember once, in high school,
392
00:26:59,657 --> 00:27:00,646
a friend of mine had a starter
393
00:27:00,825 --> 00:27:03,623
pistol that he
brought to school.
394
00:27:03,794 --> 00:27:04,886
So we said okay,
let's go,
395
00:27:05,062 --> 00:27:09,260
take the gun and pull it on OJ
396
00:27:09,433 --> 00:27:11,924
and act like we're
gonna shoot him.
397
00:27:12,336 --> 00:27:14,668
We were all down for it.
398
00:27:14,839 --> 00:27:19,867
So, we went out on the
field where OJ and Al were
399
00:27:20,311 --> 00:27:23,371
and my friend, Ray, well,
he pulled the gun out
400
00:27:23,547 --> 00:27:26,015
and everybody
sorta stepped back.
401
00:27:26,384 --> 00:27:31,481
And Al Cowlings
stepped in front of OJ.
402
00:27:32,556 --> 00:27:37,459
And said, "Ray, if
you gonna shoot OJ,
403
00:27:37,628 --> 00:27:40,028
you gotta shoot me first."
404
00:27:43,100 --> 00:27:45,694
(police radios)
405
00:27:47,605 --> 00:27:50,574
1993 Ford Bronco.
406
00:27:53,044 --> 00:27:55,979
We're listening to the Los
Angeles Police Department
407
00:27:56,347 --> 00:27:57,974
and they believe
that this vehicle
408
00:27:58,349 --> 00:28:02,046
is somewhere in the
vicinity of the El Toro Y.
409
00:28:03,120 --> 00:28:05,680
And I look down below and
there's the El Toro Y.
410
00:28:07,425 --> 00:28:09,825
And there's a white Bronco.
411
00:28:10,661 --> 00:28:12,060
Then there's a
sheriff's unit and
412
00:28:12,430 --> 00:28:14,955
there's another sheriff's unit
and another sheriff's unit.
413
00:28:15,132 --> 00:28:17,362
Okay, here we are,
open the door.
414
00:28:17,535 --> 00:28:21,972
We get the door open and
we get our very first shot.
415
00:28:22,139 --> 00:28:24,039
And I'm back on
the two way radio
416
00:28:24,408 --> 00:28:28,037
telling CBS, you gotta get
us on the air, we found him.
417
00:28:29,747 --> 00:28:32,113
And with a flip of the switch,
we were on with Dan Rather.
418
00:28:32,483 --> 00:28:33,609
This is Dan Rather
with Connie Chung
419
00:28:33,784 --> 00:28:34,944
in Los Angeles and let's
hold on a second here.
420
00:28:35,152 --> 00:28:38,121
I'm seeing on the monitor
this live helicopter
421
00:28:38,456 --> 00:28:41,550
coverage of the Ford Bronco
being followed by the police.
422
00:28:41,725 --> 00:28:43,852
And let's pick up some of the
423
00:28:44,028 --> 00:28:45,996
transmission from
the helicopter.
424
00:28:46,130 --> 00:28:47,461
They believe he's suicidal
425
00:28:47,631 --> 00:28:49,030
and very dangerous.
426
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,130
Unfortunately at
this time it does not
427
00:28:52,503 --> 00:28:55,131
appear as though the
driver is slowing down
428
00:28:55,506 --> 00:28:59,840
or complying with the
orders of the officers.
429
00:29:00,010 --> 00:29:03,571
We were on the air
exclusively for 22 minutes.
430
00:29:03,747 --> 00:29:07,649
And this was the most
conflicted I had every been.
431
00:29:07,785 --> 00:29:08,945
The gravity of the
murder, I mean,
432
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:13,147
this was a double homicide
and this is a tragic story.
433
00:29:13,524 --> 00:29:17,085
Very few human beings
fall as far as OJ Simpson.
434
00:29:17,461 --> 00:29:20,123
I've fallen quite a bit
transitioning, you know,
435
00:29:20,464 --> 00:29:23,991
you go from being like a
hero pilot to some tranny,
436
00:29:24,168 --> 00:29:26,762
you know, so I've fallen
somewhat myself but
437
00:29:26,971 --> 00:29:30,702
this is like an epic fall.
438
00:29:31,142 --> 00:29:33,872
And I'm weighing
consequences of this with
439
00:29:34,011 --> 00:29:38,038
also the biggest news
story, like, ever.
440
00:29:38,215 --> 00:29:39,147
I'm going to use a
441
00:29:39,517 --> 00:29:41,144
pair of binoculars
to try to determine
442
00:29:41,519 --> 00:29:45,046
whether or not I
can see Mr. Simpson.
443
00:29:45,222 --> 00:29:51,457
Fuck NBC, fuck ABC,
fuck those guys.
444
00:29:51,629 --> 00:29:53,688
I hope they shoot
this son of a bitch.
445
00:29:53,931 --> 00:29:57,958
And I hope they kill him before
the competitors get here.
446
00:29:59,837 --> 00:30:01,134
(phone ringing)
447
00:30:01,472 --> 00:30:03,030
911, what are you reporting?
448
00:30:03,207 --> 00:30:04,834
This is AC.
449
00:30:05,042 --> 00:30:06,031
I have OJ in the car.
450
00:30:06,177 --> 00:30:07,974
Okay, where are you?
451
00:30:08,145 --> 00:30:10,079
Please, I'm coming
up the 5 freeway.
452
00:30:10,214 --> 00:30:11,078
Okay.
453
00:30:11,248 --> 00:30:12,146
Right now we are okay.
454
00:30:12,516 --> 00:30:14,575
But you got to tell
the police to back off.
455
00:30:14,785 --> 00:30:17,151
He's still alive, but he's
got a gun to his head.
456
00:30:17,521 --> 00:30:20,046
Okay, hold on
a minute, Monica.
457
00:30:20,224 --> 00:30:21,122
He just wants
to see his mother.
458
00:30:21,492 --> 00:30:22,754
Let me get him to the house.
459
00:30:22,860 --> 00:30:25,852
Okay, hold on a moment.
460
00:30:27,131 --> 00:30:28,598
Okay, what's your name?
461
00:30:28,766 --> 00:30:29,755
My name is AC.
462
00:30:29,934 --> 00:30:30,958
You know who I am, God dammit.
463
00:30:31,135 --> 00:30:32,534
Okay.
464
00:30:37,933 --> 00:30:39,869
Right now, that OJ's sitting
there is the passenger seat with
465
00:30:39,869 --> 00:30:42,269
a gun pointed at his own head.
466
00:30:43,727 --> 00:30:46,195
Someone turned the
TV on and there he is.
467
00:30:46,328 --> 00:30:47,660
14 units of the
Orange County Sheriff's
468
00:30:47,831 --> 00:30:49,628
Department and Highway Patrol
469
00:30:49,798 --> 00:30:52,165
following behind
a good distance.
470
00:30:52,802 --> 00:30:57,135
Oh my God, this isn't real,
this can't be real.
471
00:30:57,307 --> 00:30:58,831
We're dumbfounded.
472
00:30:59,009 --> 00:31:02,103
Law enforcement is
following Simpson.
473
00:31:02,279 --> 00:31:04,873
They want him to stop.
474
00:31:05,047 --> 00:31:06,208
Red lights and sirens.
475
00:31:06,615 --> 00:31:08,015
It's not an escort.
476
00:31:09,318 --> 00:31:11,616
Why are they allowing
him to continue?
477
00:31:11,787 --> 00:31:12,755
Really, the game plan is
478
00:31:12,921 --> 00:31:15,151
really being conducted
by Mr. Simpson
479
00:31:15,358 --> 00:31:16,655
at this point and
it's very much like
480
00:31:16,826 --> 00:31:18,691
when the president
travels down a major
481
00:31:18,861 --> 00:31:21,329
thoroughfare, like a freeway.
482
00:31:21,665 --> 00:31:23,997
I was wondering,
okay, maybe around
483
00:31:24,199 --> 00:31:25,827
the next curve
they've got it marked
484
00:31:26,001 --> 00:31:29,130
off and they're going
to force him to stop.
485
00:31:29,271 --> 00:31:33,265
It wasn't like they were
going 100 miles an hour.
486
00:31:33,642 --> 00:31:37,170
But I'm not a police tactician.
487
00:31:37,347 --> 00:31:38,973
That was their call.
488
00:31:42,151 --> 00:31:45,120
I've covered so
many of these things,
489
00:31:45,287 --> 00:31:48,052
this was not usual
police behavior.
490
00:31:49,291 --> 00:31:51,055
If OJ Simpson were black,
491
00:31:51,227 --> 00:31:53,821
that shit wouldn't
have happened.
492
00:31:55,665 --> 00:31:59,260
He'd be on the ground
getting clubbed.
493
00:31:59,635 --> 00:32:02,365
But since he transcended
race and color
494
00:32:02,706 --> 00:32:06,233
to the exalted
status of celebrity,
495
00:32:06,375 --> 00:32:08,139
he got a motorcade.
496
00:32:09,379 --> 00:32:10,744
This is not a chase,
497
00:32:10,913 --> 00:32:13,313
this is basically
an accompaniment.
498
00:32:14,317 --> 00:32:17,114
(ominous music)
499
00:32:19,021 --> 00:32:21,786
Nobody is doing anything.
500
00:32:21,958 --> 00:32:25,188
So I'm talking to Eddie Jo
Fairbanks in the DA's office.
501
00:32:25,361 --> 00:32:26,192
She said, "well,
I just happen to
502
00:32:26,363 --> 00:32:28,024
have his cell number,
would you like it?
503
00:32:28,197 --> 00:32:29,323
(laughing)
504
00:32:29,765 --> 00:32:31,062
(phone ringing)
505
00:32:31,234 --> 00:32:32,258
You there?
506
00:32:32,668 --> 00:32:33,635
Just let me get to my house.
507
00:32:33,802 --> 00:32:34,770
Okay, we're gonna do that.
508
00:32:34,937 --> 00:32:35,995
I swear to you I'll give you,
509
00:32:36,171 --> 00:32:37,798
I'll give you me,
I'll give you my whole body.
510
00:32:37,973 --> 00:32:38,803
Okay-
511
00:32:38,974 --> 00:32:40,374
I just need to
get to my house.
512
00:32:40,709 --> 00:32:42,199
Okay, we're gonna do that,
513
00:32:42,379 --> 00:32:43,846
just throw the gun
out the window.
514
00:32:44,012 --> 00:32:44,775
I can't do that.
515
00:32:44,947 --> 00:32:45,709
We're not gonna botheryou,
516
00:32:45,881 --> 00:32:46,644
we're gonna let you go up there.
517
00:32:46,816 --> 00:32:47,840
Just throw it out the window,
518
00:32:48,016 --> 00:32:49,279
please, you're
scaring everybody.
519
00:32:49,418 --> 00:32:50,681
This is not to keep
520
00:32:50,854 --> 00:32:52,218
you guys away from me,
this is for me.
521
00:32:52,389 --> 00:32:53,754
I know that,
nobody's gonna hurt you.
522
00:32:53,922 --> 00:32:55,287
This is for me.
523
00:32:55,458 --> 00:32:57,084
He's trying, in my mind,
524
00:32:57,227 --> 00:32:58,387
to imply he's going
to commit suicide,
525
00:32:58,761 --> 00:33:00,058
but he's not saying that.
526
00:33:00,196 --> 00:33:02,721
So, I'm playing along with that.
527
00:33:03,967 --> 00:33:06,663
(moaning)
528
00:33:06,835 --> 00:33:11,239
Hey, everybody loves you,
don't do this.
529
00:33:11,441 --> 00:33:15,241
Just throw it out the window
and nobody's gonna get hurt.
530
00:33:15,444 --> 00:33:17,436
You've got a guy here that's,
531
00:33:17,781 --> 00:33:18,838
I don't know where his mind is,
532
00:33:19,015 --> 00:33:21,380
I really believe he
killed two people.
533
00:33:21,718 --> 00:33:24,186
But now he's got a loaded gun,
and he's being chased by cops.
534
00:33:24,354 --> 00:33:25,980
Is he gonna start
shooting at the cops?
535
00:33:26,188 --> 00:33:28,156
Is he gonna shoot
at AC and kill...
536
00:33:28,323 --> 00:33:30,848
Is he gonna blow
his own brains out?
537
00:33:31,026 --> 00:33:33,894
I do know if I can engage
him in a conversation it's
538
00:33:34,097 --> 00:33:36,998
going to temporarily at least
take his mind off the gun.
539
00:33:37,166 --> 00:33:39,396
I'm the only one
that deserves this.
540
00:33:39,769 --> 00:33:40,861
No, you don't deserve that.
541
00:33:41,036 --> 00:33:43,369
You do not deserve to get hurt.
542
00:33:43,739 --> 00:33:44,296
Don't do this.
543
00:33:44,473 --> 00:33:45,998
All I did was love Nicole.
544
00:33:46,141 --> 00:33:47,404
All I did was love her.
545
00:33:47,811 --> 00:33:48,368
I understand.
546
00:33:48,777 --> 00:33:50,142
Love everybody, show everybody
547
00:33:50,312 --> 00:33:52,008
my whole life that
I love everybody.
548
00:33:52,182 --> 00:33:54,946
We know that and
everybody loves you.
549
00:33:56,318 --> 00:33:57,444
Your kids need you.
550
00:33:57,821 --> 00:33:58,947
I've already said
goodbye to my kids.
551
00:33:59,121 --> 00:34:00,349
You're gonna hurt everybody.
552
00:34:00,522 --> 00:34:01,717
I'm just gonna have to see.
553
00:34:01,858 --> 00:34:02,916
No, don't
554
00:34:03,092 --> 00:34:05,060
I'm gonna go with Nicole.
That's all I'm gonna do.
555
00:34:05,260 --> 00:34:06,228
That's all I'm trying to do.
556
00:34:06,395 --> 00:34:07,293
Think about everybody
else, alright?
557
00:34:07,430 --> 00:34:08,397
I couldn't on the freeway.
558
00:34:08,531 --> 00:34:09,360
I couldn't do it in a field.
559
00:34:09,531 --> 00:34:10,725
I want to do it at her grave.
560
00:34:10,899 --> 00:34:12,992
I want to do it at my house.
561
00:34:13,167 --> 00:34:15,033
You gonna go to the house?
562
00:34:15,204 --> 00:34:19,265
We were told he was going
to the Rockingham location.
563
00:34:19,441 --> 00:34:22,433
And that's all we were told.
564
00:34:22,810 --> 00:34:24,368
If they requested SwAT
to handle something,
565
00:34:24,546 --> 00:34:27,242
that's because they can't
handle it themselves.
566
00:34:27,416 --> 00:34:29,112
I was told you're going
to do the talking,
567
00:34:29,283 --> 00:34:32,311
you're going to
be the negotiator.
568
00:34:32,521 --> 00:34:36,116
Drive time from
downtown to the west side
569
00:34:36,291 --> 00:34:39,489
was gonna take 30, 40 minutes.
570
00:34:39,828 --> 00:34:41,193
We were trying to beat him.
571
00:34:41,396 --> 00:34:43,456
They were pressuring us.
He's pretty close.
572
00:34:43,799 --> 00:34:46,529
We were estimating we were
about 10 minutes ahead.
573
00:34:46,902 --> 00:34:50,133
The last thing we want is for
him to get there before us.
574
00:34:50,305 --> 00:34:53,535
Because now we're
going to lose control.
575
00:34:55,243 --> 00:34:59,078
And we're on the freeway
and all the overpasses,
576
00:34:59,248 --> 00:35:01,443
there were people
already staged.
577
00:35:01,817 --> 00:35:07,016
Signs, free OJ, we love you OJ,
578
00:35:07,155 --> 00:35:09,419
what a bunch of losers.
579
00:35:11,226 --> 00:35:13,421
I think people
realized, hey,
580
00:35:13,595 --> 00:35:16,496
this is gonna be passing
my neighborhood.
581
00:35:16,865 --> 00:35:19,801
And they wanted to
see OJ's last run.
582
00:35:20,836 --> 00:35:22,235
This was not a somber event.
583
00:35:22,437 --> 00:35:26,101
This was one of Los
Angeles's largest parties.
584
00:35:28,510 --> 00:35:31,502
(orchestral music)
585
00:35:35,551 --> 00:35:38,543
This was lined with people.
586
00:35:38,921 --> 00:35:41,446
(police sirens)
587
00:35:47,229 --> 00:35:49,926
And they're running full
speed down the street,
588
00:35:50,098 --> 00:35:52,430
trying to get to the location.
589
00:35:54,570 --> 00:35:58,472
We're not used to seeing
those types of crowds rush in.
590
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,438
(chanting)
OJ! OJ! OJ! OJ!
591
00:36:12,621 --> 00:36:14,521
District Attorney
of Los Angeles,
592
00:36:14,890 --> 00:36:16,858
Mr. Gil Garcetti,
will the fact that he has fled
593
00:36:17,025 --> 00:36:18,617
make things worse for him?
594
00:36:18,994 --> 00:36:21,622
Any time you have an
accused who leaves,
595
00:36:22,030 --> 00:36:24,430
that and the fact, we believe,
596
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,330
shows a consciousness of guilt.
597
00:36:31,540 --> 00:36:34,373
(chanting "Free OJ")
598
00:36:40,315 --> 00:36:41,942
I think earlier in the week,
599
00:36:42,117 --> 00:36:43,448
all of us close to OJ
600
00:36:43,619 --> 00:36:47,214
didn't believe that he
had been involved in this.
601
00:36:47,422 --> 00:36:49,515
And now I think there's
a sense of resignation
602
00:36:49,691 --> 00:36:51,352
and has been for the
last 24 hours and
603
00:36:51,526 --> 00:36:52,993
we can't believe
what's happening
604
00:36:53,161 --> 00:36:55,425
and there was nothing ever, ever
605
00:36:55,597 --> 00:36:56,895
in the past that would indicate
606
00:36:57,065 --> 00:37:00,593
that OJ would be capable of
doing what he's doing right now.
607
00:37:13,843 --> 00:37:15,743
Did they let you go?
608
00:37:15,911 --> 00:37:20,177
They didn't say anything,
all of a sudden, they just...
609
00:37:21,417 --> 00:37:23,681
what was that?
610
00:37:25,487 --> 00:37:26,579
Yeah.
611
00:37:26,755 --> 00:37:29,519
Oh, okay, CBS is
trying to get you in.
612
00:37:29,692 --> 00:37:30,784
Now, he's pulling off now,
613
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,321
they've just pulled
off a main highway.
614
00:37:33,495 --> 00:37:35,224
Judy Mullard, help us here.
615
00:37:35,397 --> 00:37:36,864
I can't tell ya, looks like
616
00:37:37,233 --> 00:37:39,463
Santa Monica Freeway,
heading I can't
617
00:37:39,668 --> 00:37:40,828
tell ya yet.
618
00:37:41,804 --> 00:37:42,862
Look at all these people
619
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:44,297
- rushing up to the corner...
- No, it's an exit
620
00:37:44,506 --> 00:37:45,768
This word has obviously spread
621
00:37:45,941 --> 00:37:49,172
Judy, hang on, look at all
these people rushing, waving...
622
00:37:49,345 --> 00:37:51,870
(police sirens)
623
00:37:57,386 --> 00:37:59,650
There is an absolutely
utterly macabre
624
00:37:59,822 --> 00:38:02,620
nature to all this.
625
00:38:04,727 --> 00:38:05,716
They've been cheering him on,
626
00:38:05,928 --> 00:38:07,486
yelling, "Go Juice go."
627
00:38:08,564 --> 00:38:09,792
Cheering him on,
628
00:38:09,965 --> 00:38:11,262
He pulled off at Sunset,
629
00:38:11,433 --> 00:38:15,460
off the 405, he's on his
way back toward Brentwood.
630
00:38:18,874 --> 00:38:21,570
When I got on scene there,
I walked toward the residence,
631
00:38:21,744 --> 00:38:25,612
there was family inside the
residence and they were eating.
632
00:38:25,748 --> 00:38:27,375
Looked like they had
like a sandwich buffet
633
00:38:27,583 --> 00:38:31,349
that they were doing and
they were watching tv.
634
00:38:38,137 --> 00:38:39,435
Dining.
635
00:38:40,510 --> 00:38:42,500
I use that clinical term.
636
00:38:43,512 --> 00:38:44,707
Nutty.
637
00:38:47,750 --> 00:38:50,549
(police sirens)
638
00:38:53,689 --> 00:38:55,590
Both sides of the street
639
00:38:55,759 --> 00:38:59,320
have pedestrians, he just
passed us at Barrington.
640
00:38:59,529 --> 00:39:00,621
Okay, Eric, its
only now probably
641
00:39:00,797 --> 00:39:03,061
three minutes at
the most I would
642
00:39:03,233 --> 00:39:07,067
say to his home in Brentwood.
643
00:39:11,886 --> 00:39:13,979
They're passing the
church installed there.
644
00:39:14,156 --> 00:39:16,555
They are heading right
into Brentwood now.
645
00:39:16,724 --> 00:39:18,783
He's heading to my house.
646
00:39:22,563 --> 00:39:23,552
He's making a
right turn, I assume,
647
00:39:23,697 --> 00:39:25,165
that's up into Brentwood Park,
648
00:39:25,533 --> 00:39:26,898
and appears to be on the way to
649
00:39:27,067 --> 00:39:30,468
either his home or
very close to his home.
650
00:39:31,805 --> 00:39:33,500
We closed the
gate on Rockingham,
651
00:39:33,674 --> 00:39:35,835
we left this one open
to force him through
652
00:39:36,043 --> 00:39:39,444
and make him come into
where we wanted him.
653
00:39:47,902 --> 00:39:49,802
There was a sniper team in
this house across the street,
654
00:39:49,938 --> 00:39:52,532
there's a sniper team on top
of the roof at the residence.
655
00:39:52,740 --> 00:39:54,901
And there was one
across the street.
656
00:39:55,076 --> 00:39:56,600
(police radio)
Use your own discretion.
657
00:39:56,778 --> 00:39:58,609
You take him down
if you have to.
658
00:40:01,282 --> 00:40:03,477
When'd you see the
kids last, Juice?
659
00:40:03,651 --> 00:40:05,209
He's pulling up
in my driveway.
660
00:40:05,587 --> 00:40:07,077
I know, I see you, I see you.
661
00:40:07,288 --> 00:40:09,085
Please, toss the gun.
662
00:40:09,257 --> 00:40:11,589
Juice, just toss it.
663
00:40:11,759 --> 00:40:14,557
He's pulling into
his house, oh shit.
664
00:40:14,729 --> 00:40:16,162
I've never seen
anything like this.
665
00:40:16,297 --> 00:40:18,094
Mr. Simpson, OJ please.
666
00:40:19,634 --> 00:40:21,158
When we're standing
in the threshold there,
667
00:40:21,536 --> 00:40:23,629
to my right is a television so,
668
00:40:23,805 --> 00:40:26,933
when the Bronco pulls
into the driveway
669
00:40:28,209 --> 00:40:31,872
I see Bronco, Cowlings,
Simpson in the backseat
670
00:40:33,081 --> 00:40:34,241
and then I look right
here and I get the
671
00:40:34,649 --> 00:40:36,947
point of view that
you're seeing.
672
00:40:37,118 --> 00:40:38,210
Oh my goodness gracious.
673
00:40:38,620 --> 00:40:41,714
He's come home
after all of that.
674
00:40:41,856 --> 00:40:45,087
Just as we're trying
to get words out,
675
00:40:45,293 --> 00:40:47,625
a young man runs up to the
driver's side of the door
676
00:40:47,762 --> 00:40:50,287
and starts hitting
at AC Cowlings.
677
00:40:52,867 --> 00:40:54,198
Who is that out there?
678
00:40:54,335 --> 00:40:56,269
He's just trying to help.
679
00:40:56,638 --> 00:40:58,265
He's just trying to help, man.
680
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:03,873
Kardashian said, "That's
Jason Simpson, That's OJ's son."
681
00:41:04,712 --> 00:41:08,842
So, I told Pepabrick, I said,
"Go out there and get him."
682
00:41:11,599 --> 00:41:12,861
Moved him out,
683
00:41:14,832 --> 00:41:19,064
now we get down to the
business that we designed.
684
00:41:19,470 --> 00:41:22,633
At this juncture,
it's very fragile.
685
00:41:22,807 --> 00:41:27,608
What exacerbates, what makes
it crazy, is the noise,
686
00:41:28,713 --> 00:41:31,045
you had a helicopter
seemed like about 50 feet
687
00:41:31,215 --> 00:41:35,015
off the deck, every car
that was in the following
688
00:41:35,186 --> 00:41:38,155
had their red lights
and sirens on.
689
00:41:39,924 --> 00:41:41,050
If you just take a snapshot,
690
00:41:41,192 --> 00:41:44,525
you'd go, this is
madness, absolute madness.
691
00:41:49,133 --> 00:41:51,658
I watched that
from the newsroom
692
00:41:51,836 --> 00:41:53,599
and when I saw a couple
of the SwAT officers
693
00:41:53,771 --> 00:41:56,433
that I recognized run
across the shot, I thought,
694
00:41:56,641 --> 00:41:59,906
oh my God, they're gonna
kill him in the driveway.
695
00:42:00,077 --> 00:42:02,170
Just toss it please.
696
00:42:02,547 --> 00:42:03,445
Alright?
697
00:42:05,917 --> 00:42:08,010
Juice, just toss the gun.
698
00:42:08,219 --> 00:42:09,481
I did not want him to get out
699
00:42:09,620 --> 00:42:10,951
of the car with a
gun in his hand,
700
00:42:11,155 --> 00:42:12,179
they'd have dumped him,
701
00:42:12,523 --> 00:42:14,548
they would not
have had a choice.
702
00:42:16,994 --> 00:42:19,929
Juice, come on, Juice.
703
00:42:22,133 --> 00:42:24,067
They resolve most
situations peacefully,
704
00:42:24,235 --> 00:42:27,568
but they are there to finish
it one way or another.
705
00:42:27,772 --> 00:42:29,933
OJ, no, no OJ.
706
00:42:33,044 --> 00:42:35,137
Don't, no man, don't.
707
00:42:35,513 --> 00:42:37,140
Juice, don't do it, Juice.
708
00:42:39,817 --> 00:42:41,079
Pick it up.
709
00:42:41,285 --> 00:42:43,776
I'm thinking,
okay, there are a lot
710
00:42:43,921 --> 00:42:45,946
of people that
are betting on us.
711
00:42:46,123 --> 00:42:47,647
That we're going
to screw this up.
712
00:42:47,825 --> 00:42:48,985
That are cynical.
713
00:42:49,193 --> 00:42:51,991
That believe that we are a
714
00:42:52,163 --> 00:42:54,154
brutal horrible organization.
715
00:42:54,298 --> 00:42:56,232
And it's just not the case.
716
00:43:00,738 --> 00:43:02,501
How do they know,
that the police
717
00:43:02,687 --> 00:43:04,279
and the DA didn't make all this
718
00:43:04,642 --> 00:43:09,102
evidence up, to make him act
the way that he's acting?
719
00:43:09,294 --> 00:43:10,283
We were recovering
from Rodney King
720
00:43:10,648 --> 00:43:13,276
and it's so important
for the people
721
00:43:13,684 --> 00:43:16,084
to see things that
go the right way.
722
00:43:16,254 --> 00:43:17,278
There is so much
on the news where
723
00:43:17,688 --> 00:43:19,087
things go the wrong way.
724
00:43:19,284 --> 00:43:20,148
Normally, that
wouldn't be on my mind,
725
00:43:20,318 --> 00:43:22,047
but that night it was.
726
00:43:31,689 --> 00:43:33,292
Door's opening.
727
00:43:36,556 --> 00:43:38,456
That is Al Cowlings.
728
00:43:38,825 --> 00:43:40,383
He's quite, quite
upset at the moment.
729
00:43:40,527 --> 00:43:41,425
Yeah.
730
00:43:41,561 --> 00:43:43,995
Quite emotional here.
731
00:43:44,197 --> 00:43:46,188
I've got to get Cowlings out.
732
00:43:46,366 --> 00:43:47,492
As much as he was
trying to help,
733
00:43:47,867 --> 00:43:50,461
he was interfering in
where I needed to do.
734
00:43:50,837 --> 00:43:52,202
I needed to speak
directly to Mr. Simpson,
735
00:43:52,372 --> 00:43:55,239
to try and keep him
from hurting himself.
736
00:43:55,408 --> 00:43:59,174
And Mr. Cowlings was
trying to be a go between.
737
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:02,541
He was very worried
about his friend.
738
00:44:02,916 --> 00:44:04,543
He kept asking us,
please don't hurt him,
739
00:44:04,918 --> 00:44:07,216
please don't hurt him, please.
740
00:44:07,387 --> 00:44:08,479
And he wanted to go back,
741
00:44:08,855 --> 00:44:10,186
he wanted to stay
with his friend.
742
00:44:10,356 --> 00:44:13,519
And we wouldn't
allow it, we can't.
743
00:44:13,860 --> 00:44:15,122
Police haven't made a move,
744
00:44:15,295 --> 00:44:18,560
we understand negotiations
are still going on.
745
00:44:19,566 --> 00:44:21,124
Simpson, you can see him,
746
00:44:21,334 --> 00:44:24,599
cradling what looks
like framed photos,
747
00:44:24,971 --> 00:44:28,407
but clearly he has the barrel
of a weapon under his chin
748
00:44:28,575 --> 00:44:30,338
and it looks like
he's just resting his
749
00:44:30,510 --> 00:44:32,603
chin on the barrel
of the weapon.
750
00:44:33,012 --> 00:44:35,480
It was the look
of a defeated man.
751
00:44:41,454 --> 00:44:42,614
They are, according
to police scanners,
752
00:44:42,989 --> 00:44:44,889
talking to OJ on the
phone, from the inside
753
00:44:45,058 --> 00:44:48,221
the house, trying to
negotiate something.
754
00:44:50,096 --> 00:44:53,065
I said to him very early on,
755
00:44:53,232 --> 00:44:57,931
I don't think your children
need to see another tragedy.
756
00:44:58,104 --> 00:45:00,368
And he immediately
changed the subject
757
00:45:00,540 --> 00:45:03,441
right to about himself, he
wouldn't even speak to that.
758
00:45:03,610 --> 00:45:06,477
I said I know where
he's coming from.
759
00:45:06,646 --> 00:45:10,480
There was so much memorabilia
and stuff of him everywhere,
760
00:45:12,385 --> 00:45:13,443
normally you would
see other photos
761
00:45:13,620 --> 00:45:15,212
of family members
or something else,
762
00:45:15,388 --> 00:45:19,484
you didn't see those
things, it was all him.
763
00:45:19,659 --> 00:45:23,925
I told Mike Albanis, Mike,
I can talk him into it.
764
00:45:24,097 --> 00:45:25,394
We can appeal to his ego enough
765
00:45:25,565 --> 00:45:28,363
that he's going to
come out for us.
766
00:45:29,636 --> 00:45:30,625
His voice, in the beginning, was
767
00:45:30,970 --> 00:45:33,495
excited but then it calmed down.
768
00:45:33,673 --> 00:45:37,666
The more we spoke about
him, the more he liked it.
769
00:45:39,646 --> 00:45:41,011
We want to show them that you're
770
00:45:41,180 --> 00:45:43,148
still the person you have
been all these years.
771
00:45:43,349 --> 00:45:47,445
This great football player,
this great everything.
772
00:45:47,587 --> 00:45:50,249
(dramatic music)
773
00:45:53,693 --> 00:45:55,058
He asked me to come
out to the car,
774
00:45:55,228 --> 00:45:56,252
and I said, "No,
you're going to show
775
00:45:56,396 --> 00:45:57,420
them yourself, you're
going to showthem
776
00:45:57,597 --> 00:45:58,996
just how big and
courageous you are,
777
00:45:59,165 --> 00:46:00,189
you're going to walk
to me and you're
778
00:46:00,366 --> 00:46:01,492
going to leave the
gun in the car,
779
00:46:01,668 --> 00:46:06,128
you're going to walk out and
show everyone, right now.
780
00:46:06,305 --> 00:46:08,239
You're going to do this."
781
00:46:10,043 --> 00:46:12,705
My personal spin,
I think, he wanted
782
00:46:13,046 --> 00:46:14,980
to surrender when it was dark.
783
00:46:15,148 --> 00:46:17,981
So that he wouldn't be seen.
784
00:46:18,151 --> 00:46:21,712
Night has fallen
here over Brentwood.
785
00:46:22,088 --> 00:46:26,115
He had two picture frames
that were cradled in his arms.
786
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:29,651
We told him, open the door,
787
00:46:30,029 --> 00:46:31,519
put your arm out with the frame,
788
00:46:31,698 --> 00:46:34,633
and the other arm out
with the framed photo,
789
00:46:35,001 --> 00:46:38,630
so it's clear to everybody,
so there was no mistaking.
790
00:46:40,306 --> 00:46:44,242
Doors open, dome lights on,
he's out of the vehicle.
791
00:46:44,410 --> 00:46:46,207
Kindajust hunches over,
792
00:46:48,014 --> 00:46:50,608
shuffles six, eight steps to us,
793
00:46:50,783 --> 00:46:52,614
and collapses in our arms.
794
00:46:53,720 --> 00:46:56,120
He goes, "I'm sorry,
795
00:46:56,289 --> 00:46:58,655
I was never going to
hurt you guys. I'm sorry.
796
00:46:59,025 --> 00:47:01,220
I was never going
to hurt you guys."
797
00:47:01,427 --> 00:47:02,485
OJ's in custody.
798
00:47:02,628 --> 00:47:04,391
We understand that
OJ's in custody.
799
00:47:04,564 --> 00:47:05,758
They're calling a code four.
800
00:47:06,132 --> 00:47:07,656
All clear, all safe.
801
00:47:08,768 --> 00:47:11,601
Thank you, thank you to God.
802
00:47:11,771 --> 00:47:15,605
(reporters asking questions)
803
00:47:18,578 --> 00:47:20,170
Unbelievable, we
saw an incredible
804
00:47:20,313 --> 00:47:22,543
situation that's
gone on for hours.
805
00:47:22,682 --> 00:47:26,778
Incredible restraint by the
Los Angeles Police Department.
806
00:47:27,820 --> 00:47:29,447
The officers kept
their distance.
807
00:47:29,655 --> 00:47:31,213
They allowed the
SwAT team, the pros,
808
00:47:31,390 --> 00:47:35,019
to come in, they
took their positions.
809
00:47:35,208 --> 00:47:38,666
He'd asked me to stay with
him throughout the process.
810
00:47:38,784 --> 00:47:41,252
I promised him I
would stay with him.
811
00:47:41,467 --> 00:47:43,401
I said it's time, I
gotta handcuff you now,
812
00:47:43,569 --> 00:47:44,627
you need to be handcuffed.
813
00:47:44,804 --> 00:47:46,328
I'm sorry, this is
the way it works.
814
00:47:46,506 --> 00:47:48,531
(police sirens)
815
00:47:50,357 --> 00:47:54,293
As we take off, Simpson
is amazed at the crowds.
816
00:47:56,429 --> 00:47:59,227
He just couldn't believe there
was this many people there.
817
00:47:59,441 --> 00:48:02,239
(Free OJ, Free OJ)
818
00:48:02,288 --> 00:48:03,687
And he said, "what are all these
819
00:48:04,090 --> 00:48:05,819
niggers doing in Brentwood?"
820
00:48:06,192 --> 00:48:08,786
(crowd cheering)
821
00:48:14,367 --> 00:48:16,665
I walk outside
and Shapiro's there.
822
00:48:16,836 --> 00:48:18,565
Shapiro shakes my hand, he says,
823
00:48:18,738 --> 00:48:22,606
"Thank you for not
killing OJ Simpson."
824
00:48:22,742 --> 00:48:23,834
He grabbed me and
went to hug me.
825
00:48:24,210 --> 00:48:26,440
I go, let's just,
826
00:48:27,113 --> 00:48:29,547
I wasn't in the mood for a hug
827
00:48:30,683 --> 00:48:33,311
and maybe I wasn't professional.
828
00:48:35,822 --> 00:48:37,255
I don't know the
frickin' guy, right,
829
00:48:37,423 --> 00:48:40,324
and he wants to weep on me?
830
00:48:40,459 --> 00:48:43,087
(dramatic music)
831
00:48:43,863 --> 00:48:47,128
Well this is one nutty day.
It really is.
832
00:48:47,300 --> 00:48:49,734
I said, I have seen
everything in law enforcement.
833
00:48:49,902 --> 00:48:52,769
There is nothing else
that can top this.
834
00:49:18,365 --> 00:49:20,959
(dramatic music)
835
00:49:29,779 --> 00:49:32,247
(piano music)
836
00:49:52,254 --> 00:49:54,154
Later today in Los
Angeles, OJ Simpson
837
00:49:54,323 --> 00:49:57,121
is expected to make his
first court appearance.
838
00:49:57,293 --> 00:49:59,318
OJ has been in jail,
under a suicide watch,
839
00:49:59,495 --> 00:50:03,226
visited only by a
psychiatrist and his lawyer.
840
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:06,261
Please,
841
00:50:11,273 --> 00:50:12,535
Alright, people.
842
00:50:18,714 --> 00:50:20,648
Please speak up so
you may be heard.
843
00:50:20,983 --> 00:50:21,506
Uh, yes.
844
00:50:23,953 --> 00:50:24,612
Pardon me, I'm sorry.
845
00:50:24,954 --> 00:50:25,648
May we start all over again?
846
00:50:26,022 --> 00:50:27,182
Yes.
847
00:50:30,593 --> 00:50:32,083
He looked a mess.
848
00:50:33,629 --> 00:50:37,326
He looked like someone
who had committed murder.
849
00:50:37,466 --> 00:50:39,093
There was nothing about the old
850
00:50:39,268 --> 00:50:42,135
smiling Simpson,
about him that day.
851
00:50:43,339 --> 00:50:44,601
Your charges
forthis complaint
852
00:50:44,974 --> 00:50:46,236
in that you willfully and
unlawfully with pronounced
853
00:50:46,375 --> 00:50:49,640
forethought murder
Nicole Brown Simpson.
854
00:50:51,647 --> 00:50:54,115
In count two your
charge is the crime
855
00:50:54,283 --> 00:50:56,717
of murder in violation of
penal code section 187.
856
00:50:57,053 --> 00:50:58,714
That you willfully and
unlawfully with pronounced
857
00:50:59,055 --> 00:51:02,456
forethought murder
Ronald Lyle Goldman.
858
00:51:04,060 --> 00:51:06,722
When he initially
entered the plea,
859
00:51:07,096 --> 00:51:09,030
he barely choked it out.
860
00:51:09,198 --> 00:51:10,130
Not guilty.
861
00:51:12,168 --> 00:51:13,396
Alright, then, the
not guilty plea will
862
00:51:13,536 --> 00:51:15,470
be entered, the case
will be set for a
863
00:51:15,604 --> 00:51:18,630
preliminary hearing within
the statutory period.
864
00:51:19,008 --> 00:51:19,702
Recess.
865
00:51:21,777 --> 00:51:23,642
This case will be handled
as every case is handled,
866
00:51:24,013 --> 00:51:26,174
the case will be thoroughly
investigated by top
867
00:51:26,315 --> 00:51:29,409
notch investigators, we
will present the prosecution
868
00:51:29,585 --> 00:51:32,611
in a thorough and
professional manner.
869
00:51:33,723 --> 00:51:35,554
I amongst others,
recommended her.
870
00:51:35,758 --> 00:51:38,124
I was aware of her
successes in the court room.
871
00:51:38,461 --> 00:51:41,521
I knew she was a very
dynamic trial lawyer.
872
00:51:41,697 --> 00:51:42,629
I want no one to
forget the fact that
873
00:51:42,798 --> 00:51:44,993
Robert Barto wakes
up every morning,
874
00:51:45,167 --> 00:51:49,695
and Rebecca Schaeffer lies
buried in a grave in Oregon.
875
00:51:50,072 --> 00:51:52,233
Worked extraordinarily hard,
876
00:51:52,441 --> 00:51:54,568
she was very facile
with trace evidence,
877
00:51:54,744 --> 00:51:56,769
hair, fiber, and the like.
878
00:51:57,747 --> 00:52:00,614
She was up to speed on DNA.
879
00:52:01,450 --> 00:52:03,748
She was one of our
best trial lawyers.
880
00:52:04,153 --> 00:52:05,279
I think that with
all the questions
881
00:52:05,421 --> 00:52:06,217
that we've been
getting about the
882
00:52:06,355 --> 00:52:07,686
public sympathy for Mr. Simpson,
883
00:52:08,090 --> 00:52:09,148
we should not
forget the fact that
884
00:52:09,291 --> 00:52:12,590
we have two victims,
that were brutally slain.
885
00:52:12,795 --> 00:52:14,092
I have to say, it
never mattered to me
886
00:52:14,196 --> 00:52:16,790
who the defendant was, it
was a question of who did it.
887
00:52:17,133 --> 00:52:18,725
Whetherthey're famous,
whetherthey're not famous.
888
00:52:19,101 --> 00:52:21,626
They all get the same treatment.
889
00:52:22,538 --> 00:52:28,477
You are looking at inmate
number 4103970, OJ Simpson.
890
00:52:29,311 --> 00:52:31,711
(camera clicks)
891
00:52:35,351 --> 00:52:38,445
(cell doors shutting)
892
00:52:43,387 --> 00:52:45,014
I believed he was innocent.
893
00:52:45,188 --> 00:52:47,622
I was like everybody else,
it was incomprehensible
894
00:52:48,025 --> 00:52:50,152
that my friend could do this.
895
00:52:52,729 --> 00:52:55,630
I snuck into the
jail to see him and
896
00:52:55,999 --> 00:52:58,991
there's this guy
that was my buddy and
897
00:53:00,971 --> 00:53:02,370
he looked emaciated,
898
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:05,608
he was in an orange jumpsuit,
899
00:53:05,742 --> 00:53:09,542
and he was shackled to
the desk in front of me.
900
00:53:12,987 --> 00:53:17,117
Then he looked at me on the
other side of plexiglasses,
901
00:53:18,522 --> 00:53:19,716
close as he could
be, and he said,
902
00:53:20,090 --> 00:53:23,059
"I swearto God,
I didn't do this."
903
00:53:23,924 --> 00:53:24,982
I believed him.
904
00:53:26,763 --> 00:53:28,697
He asked me if I
would kind of be the
905
00:53:29,099 --> 00:53:30,566
chronicler of the whole thing.
906
00:53:30,767 --> 00:53:33,998
Would I write a book
about the whole thing.
907
00:53:34,137 --> 00:53:36,037
I backed away from that.
908
00:53:37,274 --> 00:53:40,732
Then, in a moment of
ultimate surrealism,
909
00:53:41,078 --> 00:53:42,409
I'm sitting with OJ
910
00:53:44,014 --> 00:53:46,676
and Lyle Menendez
walks behind him.
911
00:53:47,857 --> 00:53:49,757
And I just went,
shit, this is more
912
00:53:49,892 --> 00:53:52,759
than my little pea
brain can handle.
913
00:53:54,496 --> 00:53:57,158
(dramatic music)
914
00:54:20,589 --> 00:54:24,889
Bob, OJ Simpson is in a Los
Angeles jail cell tonight.
915
00:54:25,261 --> 00:54:26,888
His attorney says he
spoke to him today
916
00:54:27,263 --> 00:54:29,731
and that Simpson was in tears.
917
00:54:29,865 --> 00:54:31,389
Al Cowlings, was
himself, arrested
918
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:33,727
on a felony charge
of aiding a fugitive.
919
00:54:33,903 --> 00:54:35,370
Get away from
my fucking house.
920
00:54:35,571 --> 00:54:37,596
Simpson, had $10,000 in cash
921
00:54:37,740 --> 00:54:39,867
and a passport at that point.
922
00:54:40,242 --> 00:54:41,504
I love OJ
923
00:54:41,644 --> 00:54:42,770
no matter what happens.
924
00:54:42,945 --> 00:54:44,776
The murder with
special circumstances,
925
00:54:44,947 --> 00:54:46,505
death penalty charges...
926
00:54:46,682 --> 00:54:49,276
The final DNAtests
are positive for
927
00:54:49,451 --> 00:54:51,749
intents and purposes,
OJ Simpson really
928
00:54:51,954 --> 00:54:53,785
has no option but to
admit that he killed.
929
00:54:53,989 --> 00:54:54,717
The man who will
lead the prosecution
930
00:54:54,924 --> 00:54:56,516
of the case, against OJ Simpson,
931
00:54:56,692 --> 00:54:58,592
is Los Angeles District
Attorney, Gil Garcetti.
932
00:54:58,761 --> 00:55:00,524
You said earlier,
"It's not going
933
00:55:00,696 --> 00:55:03,358
to shock me if we see OJ Simpson
934
00:55:03,532 --> 00:55:04,794
sometime down the road say okay
935
00:55:04,967 --> 00:55:07,936
I did do it but I'm
not responsible."
936
00:55:08,304 --> 00:55:09,396
That certainly sounded, to me,
937
00:55:09,605 --> 00:55:10,833
like a prosecutor very
comfortable with his case.
938
00:55:11,006 --> 00:55:12,564
I am comfortable
with the case,
939
00:55:12,741 --> 00:55:14,333
I don't mean to
speculate as to what
940
00:55:14,543 --> 00:55:15,601
the defense is going to be but I
941
00:55:15,744 --> 00:55:16,802
have been a prosecutor
for 25 years
942
00:55:16,979 --> 00:55:20,210
The evidence was
so overwhelming,
943
00:55:20,416 --> 00:55:22,247
there was just no doubt.
944
00:55:24,753 --> 00:55:26,311
A blood trail
that led from Bundy
945
00:55:26,488 --> 00:55:28,752
all the way into his bedroom.
946
00:55:30,259 --> 00:55:31,624
I don't think I'd
ever seen that much
947
00:55:31,794 --> 00:55:34,422
evidence in any
single case ever.
948
00:55:36,398 --> 00:55:40,835
When you couple that with
evidence of motivation,
949
00:55:41,003 --> 00:55:43,972
and that was the history
of domestic violence,
950
00:55:44,340 --> 00:55:45,705
with Simpson physically and
951
00:55:45,874 --> 00:55:48,843
psychologically
abusing Nicole Brown.
952
00:55:48,978 --> 00:55:50,707
This is my woman.
953
00:55:50,879 --> 00:55:51,937
This was a domestic
violence case
954
00:55:52,314 --> 00:55:53,941
that culminated in murder.
955
00:55:54,316 --> 00:55:55,248
End of story.
956
00:56:08,745 --> 00:56:09,712
Both sides are going to try
957
00:56:09,912 --> 00:56:10,970
to place the publicity their way
958
00:56:11,114 --> 00:56:13,981
but because this is
a major celebrity,
959
00:56:14,150 --> 00:56:15,344
probably this is the most famous
960
00:56:15,752 --> 00:56:17,913
American ever
charged with murder,
961
00:56:18,054 --> 00:56:20,716
there will not
business as usual.
962
00:56:22,859 --> 00:56:26,124
My former criminal law
professor, Alan Dershowitz,
963
00:56:26,295 --> 00:56:30,254
was part of what would later
become known as the dream team,
964
00:56:30,433 --> 00:56:32,424
OJ Simpson's lawyers.
965
00:56:32,769 --> 00:56:33,895
So, I called up
Alan, and I said,
966
00:56:34,070 --> 00:56:35,731
"You know, what do you
think of this case?"
967
00:56:35,905 --> 00:56:39,204
And he said, "I don't know,
968
00:56:39,375 --> 00:56:43,175
but you ought to look
into this guy, this cop.
969
00:56:44,414 --> 00:56:48,180
Mark Fuhrman, there's
something bad about him."
970
00:56:50,086 --> 00:56:51,713
I first met Mark during the
971
00:56:51,921 --> 00:56:54,321
execution of a second
search warrant.
972
00:56:54,490 --> 00:56:57,391
I was impressed, he seemed
to have an eye for detail.
973
00:56:57,794 --> 00:56:59,921
Some of his investigative moves,
974
00:57:00,062 --> 00:57:01,859
particularly going
up to Rockingham,
975
00:57:01,998 --> 00:57:05,798
struck me as this is
a smart detective.
976
00:57:05,968 --> 00:57:10,302
Mark Fuhrman,
M-A-R-K F-U-H-R-M-A-N
977
00:57:10,473 --> 00:57:11,770
when he testified at
the preliminary hearing,
978
00:57:11,941 --> 00:57:13,806
he did a really good job.
979
00:57:13,976 --> 00:57:15,307
Blood to the left
of the footprint
980
00:57:15,478 --> 00:57:17,946
would indicate that
the person that left
981
00:57:18,114 --> 00:57:21,015
the scene was bleeding from
the left side of his body.
982
00:57:21,217 --> 00:57:23,117
And the spot on the Bronco
983
00:57:23,286 --> 00:57:25,777
could coincide with that injury.
984
00:57:27,390 --> 00:57:29,085
He was on top of his game.
985
00:57:29,225 --> 00:57:31,386
His memory of the search of
986
00:57:31,761 --> 00:57:33,353
Rockingham was
the primary thing.
987
00:57:33,529 --> 00:57:36,498
And it was detailed
and consistent.
988
00:57:36,899 --> 00:57:39,197
And why was it that you
did not secure the residence
989
00:57:39,368 --> 00:57:43,065
for a search warrant
before finding the glove.
990
00:57:44,307 --> 00:57:46,332
This is not a
situation where we
991
00:57:46,542 --> 00:57:48,032
had the time to stand out in the
992
00:57:48,177 --> 00:57:51,476
street and just wait and wonder.
993
00:57:51,814 --> 00:57:53,441
We had to do something.
994
00:57:55,518 --> 00:57:59,318
I thought maybe
this guy Fuhrman has
done something wrong.
995
00:57:59,455 --> 00:58:01,184
Maybe, he's been sued.
996
00:58:04,861 --> 00:58:07,796
There was this
dungeon-like basement
997
00:58:08,931 --> 00:58:10,922
in downtown Los Angeles with all
998
00:58:11,100 --> 00:58:13,398
the records of
civil court filings.
999
00:58:13,569 --> 00:58:15,196
And I started
burrowing through these
1000
00:58:15,371 --> 00:58:19,933
records looking for Mark
Fuhrman as a defendant.
1001
00:58:20,076 --> 00:58:22,101
And that's not what I found.
1002
00:58:22,278 --> 00:58:26,305
I found a lawsuit where Mark
Fuhrman was the plaintiff.
1003
00:58:27,850 --> 00:58:32,810
He had actually sued the
Los Angeles Pension Board
1004
00:58:32,989 --> 00:58:37,926
asking to be relieved
as a police officer
1005
00:58:38,094 --> 00:58:41,860
and get a pension
because his mind
1006
00:58:42,031 --> 00:58:45,467
was so poisoned by
hatred of black people.
1007
00:58:49,138 --> 00:58:52,505
And I thought to myself,
now that's a story.
1008
00:58:57,346 --> 00:59:01,009
I show up uninvited at
Robert Shapiro's office.
1009
00:59:01,183 --> 00:59:04,550
And I say, "I've been looking
at Mark Fuhrman's file
1010
00:59:04,921 --> 00:59:07,355
and there's some pretty
amazing stuff in there."
1011
00:59:07,557 --> 00:59:09,286
And I remember, to
this day, he sort
1012
00:59:09,492 --> 00:59:10,481
of rocked back in his chair.
1013
00:59:10,860 --> 00:59:11,554
He said, "You saw that?"
1014
00:59:11,894 --> 00:59:12,826
I said, "Yeah."
1015
00:59:12,995 --> 00:59:14,428
He said, "You think that's bad,
1016
00:59:14,597 --> 00:59:17,361
we think he planted the glove."
1017
00:59:17,533 --> 00:59:20,024
(camera clicks)
1018
00:59:22,939 --> 00:59:24,236
Fuhrman, according
to this article
1019
00:59:24,407 --> 00:59:27,103
had used a lot of
racial epithets.
1020
00:59:28,344 --> 00:59:30,608
Having that out there,
1021
00:59:30,980 --> 00:59:32,845
really brought home the
fact that we've got a
1022
00:59:33,049 --> 00:59:36,485
dynamic here we're
gonna have to deal with.
1023
00:59:37,987 --> 00:59:41,514
They found a flaw in me,
and then they made up a nexus,
1024
00:59:41,924 --> 00:59:44,859
a connection to the
flawto the case.
1025
00:59:49,599 --> 00:59:52,397
I mean, I had a bad couple years
1026
00:59:54,537 --> 00:59:58,064
but I came out
1027
00:59:59,542 --> 01:00:01,567
better, I came out of it.
1028
01:00:05,615 --> 01:00:06,946
It is what it is.
1029
01:00:09,118 --> 01:00:11,484
That article came out at just
1030
01:00:11,654 --> 01:00:13,019
about the same
time, Johnnie Cochran
1031
01:00:13,189 --> 01:00:15,555
was coming aboard
the defense team.
1032
01:00:15,925 --> 01:00:17,916
And my thought at the time was,
1033
01:00:18,094 --> 01:00:20,528
here comes the race card.
1034
01:00:20,930 --> 01:00:23,330
(gospel music)
1035
01:00:29,372 --> 01:00:31,272
My name is Johnnie
L. Cochran Jr.
1036
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:33,499
I am primarily a
civil rights lawyer.
1037
01:00:33,676 --> 01:00:35,007
And I represent a
number of clients
1038
01:00:35,177 --> 01:00:38,476
who have had their
civil rights abridged.
1039
01:00:39,649 --> 01:00:43,483
He and his firm were
central players in this story
1040
01:00:43,653 --> 01:00:46,520
of the LAPD and
race in Los Angeles.
1041
01:00:47,556 --> 01:00:49,183
Growing up in America,
1042
01:00:49,358 --> 01:00:51,155
any African American
will tell you that,
1043
01:00:51,327 --> 01:00:53,488
we know we have to run faster,
1044
01:00:53,663 --> 01:00:56,029
jump higher, work harder,
1045
01:00:56,198 --> 01:00:57,631
to do the same that
anyone else has to do.
1046
01:00:58,034 --> 01:00:59,092
(applause)
1047
01:00:59,235 --> 01:01:02,568
Johnnie Cochran was
always the icon to young
1048
01:01:02,972 --> 01:01:07,170
black, brown, and oppressed
people in Los Angeles
1049
01:01:07,343 --> 01:01:10,073
because Johnnie was that young
1050
01:01:10,246 --> 01:01:13,272
dashing lawyer who
took on the police.
1051
01:01:14,717 --> 01:01:17,584
Johnnie Cochran made his name
1052
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:21,679
as a public lawyer in
the Deadwyler case.
1053
01:01:22,058 --> 01:01:23,685
The latest explosion
of violence in watts
1054
01:01:24,060 --> 01:01:26,119
really began here 11 days ago.
1055
01:01:26,328 --> 01:01:27,693
A negro motorist
driving down here
1056
01:01:28,064 --> 01:01:29,497
was rushing his wife
to the hospital,
1057
01:01:29,665 --> 01:01:31,257
she was having labor pains,
1058
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:34,130
they were stopped, stopped
by a white patrolman.
1059
01:01:34,303 --> 01:01:39,002
One policeman got out
and came around to my side
1060
01:01:39,175 --> 01:01:40,335
and my husband leaned over me
1061
01:01:40,509 --> 01:01:41,533
and asked him if he would
1062
01:01:41,677 --> 01:01:45,113
lead him out to the
hospital to care of me.
1063
01:01:47,450 --> 01:01:51,580
And then he, he didn't say
anything, and he shot him.
1064
01:01:54,223 --> 01:01:57,056
And he fell over me.
1065
01:01:58,594 --> 01:02:01,222
(dramatic music)
1066
01:02:03,699 --> 01:02:05,360
Mr. Cochran
would like to know,
1067
01:02:05,534 --> 01:02:08,002
did you get inside
the Deadwyler car
1068
01:02:08,170 --> 01:02:10,695
with the upper part of
your body voluntarily?
1069
01:02:11,073 --> 01:02:11,562
Yes sir.
1070
01:02:12,742 --> 01:02:14,266
Mr. Cochran
would like to know,
1071
01:02:14,410 --> 01:02:18,176
did you observe any weapons
within the Deadwyler car?
1072
01:02:18,314 --> 01:02:19,508
No, sir, I did not.
1073
01:02:19,682 --> 01:02:21,206
Mr. Cochran wants to know,
1074
01:02:21,383 --> 01:02:22,680
that became the
catchphrase because
1075
01:02:23,085 --> 01:02:26,213
the lawyer, himself, could
not ask the questions.
1076
01:02:26,388 --> 01:02:29,551
He had to go through
the county council.
1077
01:02:29,759 --> 01:02:31,124
Mr. Cochran
would like to know,
1078
01:02:31,293 --> 01:02:32,351
if you been trained to keep your
1079
01:02:32,528 --> 01:02:33,654
weapon away from a suspect?
1080
01:02:33,829 --> 01:02:35,729
Yes, sir.
1081
01:02:36,065 --> 01:02:39,296
Johnnie was like 27,
28 years old then.
1082
01:02:39,502 --> 01:02:41,629
He was a young whippersnapper.
1083
01:02:42,805 --> 01:02:44,432
Mr. Cochran
would like to know,
1084
01:02:44,607 --> 01:02:46,575
while you were at the Los
Angeles police academy,
1085
01:02:46,709 --> 01:02:48,768
did they train you to put your
1086
01:02:49,145 --> 01:02:52,080
upper part of your
body inside a car?
1087
01:02:53,449 --> 01:02:55,713
Not specifically that, no.
1088
01:03:03,659 --> 01:03:06,492
Because it was
a televised trial,
1089
01:03:08,197 --> 01:03:09,721
he became a hero to everybody
1090
01:03:10,099 --> 01:03:12,590
in to the South
Central community.
1091
01:03:15,838 --> 01:03:20,571
Few people had higher
standing, deeper standing.
1092
01:03:20,743 --> 01:03:25,203
Johnnie was always that
stalwart defender ofjustice,
1093
01:03:25,414 --> 01:03:28,542
fighting against the bastille.
1094
01:03:28,684 --> 01:03:29,651
Each of the defendants
across the board
1095
01:03:29,819 --> 01:03:30,751
were found not guilty of the
1096
01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:33,145
assaults on the police officers.
1097
01:03:33,355 --> 01:03:35,755
Mr. Settles was beaten,
the booking photos show that.
1098
01:03:36,125 --> 01:03:37,820
I want to know if they had
anything to do with his death.
1099
01:03:38,227 --> 01:03:40,161
I want to know, whether
or not, he hung himself
1100
01:03:40,296 --> 01:03:42,230
or whether or not he was hung.
1101
01:03:42,364 --> 01:03:43,490
The only version
that you heard
1102
01:03:43,666 --> 01:03:45,395
of what transpired was what the
1103
01:03:45,568 --> 01:03:48,128
police officers told
you, isn't that correct?
1104
01:03:48,270 --> 01:03:49,430
(dramatic music)
1105
01:03:49,605 --> 01:03:50,367
It's not that Johnnie was the
1106
01:03:50,539 --> 01:03:51,801
only good lawyerfor OJ Simpson
1107
01:03:52,141 --> 01:03:53,768
but I would say
that he and his firm
1108
01:03:53,909 --> 01:03:57,140
were the only lawyers who
would really understand
1109
01:03:57,313 --> 01:03:59,338
and argue this case
in the context of
1110
01:03:59,548 --> 01:04:03,609
the LAPD's relationship
to African Americans.
1111
01:04:03,752 --> 01:04:06,721
Now, did he also like a big
celebrity trial, you bet.
1112
01:04:06,889 --> 01:04:08,686
Michael Jackson has maintained
1113
01:04:08,858 --> 01:04:10,792
his innocence from the
beginning of this matter.
1114
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:14,561
He still, maintains
that innocence.
1115
01:04:14,730 --> 01:04:18,359
He was a big character,
he was flamboyant.
1116
01:04:18,500 --> 01:04:20,365
- I love you.
- Hi Johnnie.
1117
01:04:21,804 --> 01:04:23,362
We were talking about
different styles of lawyering
1118
01:04:23,539 --> 01:04:24,528
and how you make a case to jury
1119
01:04:24,707 --> 01:04:25,833
and one of the things he said
1120
01:04:26,208 --> 01:04:27,539
about predominately
African American juries,
1121
01:04:27,710 --> 01:04:29,575
he goes "Jimmy," which is
what he used to call me,
1122
01:04:29,778 --> 01:04:30,870
he said, "Jimmy, blacks like big."
1123
01:04:31,213 --> 01:04:31,702
(laughing)
1124
01:04:31,847 --> 01:04:33,678
And he liked to be big.
1125
01:04:38,354 --> 01:04:40,788
(drums playing)
1126
01:04:48,931 --> 01:04:52,833
My daughter was in
the watts parade and
1127
01:04:53,202 --> 01:04:55,932
Johnnie Cochran was
the grand marshal.
1128
01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:01,903
He said, "I want to see
you guys at the trial."
1129
01:05:03,445 --> 01:05:07,211
I hadn't planned to go,
but since he asked me,
1130
01:05:08,851 --> 01:05:10,443
I said, well Johnnie
wants me to come, and
1131
01:05:10,619 --> 01:05:12,712
he asked me to come, so
I'm coming down here.
1132
01:05:12,888 --> 01:05:15,721
I'm gonna find a way
to get here every day.
1133
01:05:15,891 --> 01:05:19,258
(dramatic music)
1134
01:05:19,428 --> 01:05:22,261
OJ Simpson is about to appear
in a Los Angeles courtroom.
1135
01:05:22,431 --> 01:05:23,659
He's going to enter a plea,
1136
01:05:23,799 --> 01:05:25,562
a date for trial is going to be set,
1137
01:05:25,734 --> 01:05:29,898
and ajudge to oversee the
trial is going to be appointed.
1138
01:05:30,272 --> 01:05:34,606
This is the time set forthe
arraignment of Mr. Simpson.
1139
01:05:34,777 --> 01:05:38,304
Mr. Simpson you are charged
with the crime of murder.
1140
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:39,879
Are you ready to enter
a plea at this time?
1141
01:05:40,282 --> 01:05:41,374
Yes, your honor.
1142
01:05:41,517 --> 01:05:43,678
How do you plea to
counts one and two?
1143
01:05:43,852 --> 01:05:47,310
Absolutely 100% not guilty.
1144
01:05:47,456 --> 01:05:50,983
That's what I want to
hear, you're not guilty.
1145
01:05:51,327 --> 01:05:52,419
He was back on
his feet and ready
1146
01:05:52,594 --> 01:05:54,824
to tell the whole world
that he was wrongly accused.
1147
01:05:54,997 --> 01:05:57,431
And it was just the biggest
bunch of horse shit.
1148
01:05:57,599 --> 01:05:58,964
Thank you, you may be seated.
1149
01:05:59,335 --> 01:06:01,633
But he sold it.
1150
01:06:02,671 --> 01:06:03,865
I gave him a thumbs up.
1151
01:06:04,039 --> 01:06:07,668
And he looked over at
me and he waved at me.
1152
01:06:07,810 --> 01:06:09,778
He was very good looking.
1153
01:06:11,046 --> 01:06:13,776
And that day he was
really good looking.
1154
01:06:13,949 --> 01:06:15,712
(laughing)
1155
01:06:15,884 --> 01:06:18,409
I may not have thought he
was a big celebrity but it
1156
01:06:18,554 --> 01:06:22,012
became really clear to me super
fast that he was to others.
1157
01:06:22,391 --> 01:06:24,484
OJ Simpson, I
really admire the guy,
1158
01:06:24,660 --> 01:06:27,458
football, and great actor.
1159
01:06:27,629 --> 01:06:29,995
OJ Simpson has been a
hero of mine since college.
1160
01:06:30,332 --> 01:06:32,823
I think he's a great
man and a a great hero,
1161
01:06:33,002 --> 01:06:35,402
and has touched a lot of lives.
1162
01:06:36,538 --> 01:06:38,267
I don't think he did it,
1163
01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:41,273
doesn't seem like
that kind of person.
1164
01:06:41,443 --> 01:06:44,970
I'm assigning the
case to Judge Lance lto.
1165
01:06:45,347 --> 01:06:47,907
Judge lto is an
acceptable fashion.
1166
01:06:49,885 --> 01:06:51,853
Judge lto will be accepted
forthe people as well.
1167
01:06:52,021 --> 01:06:56,424
Very well, thank you,
then that is the assignment.
1168
01:06:56,592 --> 01:06:58,924
Here's the first time we'll
really get to see the system.
1169
01:06:59,328 --> 01:07:00,852
To see if it really works.
1170
01:07:01,030 --> 01:07:04,466
For someone with some
money, a celebrity.
1171
01:07:05,701 --> 01:07:09,467
Awell loved, respected,
cherished type of man.
1172
01:07:09,665 --> 01:07:14,728
Now, let's see if
justice can work for him.
1173
01:07:29,181 --> 01:07:31,672
(dramatic music)
1174
01:07:39,231 --> 01:07:41,222
There's nothing more important
1175
01:07:41,413 --> 01:07:45,406
during a jury trial, than
the selection of your jury.
1176
01:07:48,473 --> 01:07:52,034
You can win or lose
you case right there.
1177
01:07:53,078 --> 01:07:56,104
The issue of where
to conduct the trial,
1178
01:07:56,281 --> 01:08:00,308
the Santa Monica court house,
largely white jury pool.
1179
01:08:02,087 --> 01:08:05,079
Downtown LA, largely
black jury pool.
1180
01:08:06,324 --> 01:08:07,655
Gil Garcetti, the
DA, always said,
1181
01:08:07,793 --> 01:08:11,058
"well itjust logistically
had to be downtown."
1182
01:08:11,229 --> 01:08:12,628
A lot of us thought
that Gil Garcetti,
1183
01:08:12,798 --> 01:08:16,496
elected official,
needed to protect
1184
01:08:16,634 --> 01:08:19,331
his reputation in
the black community,
1185
01:08:19,503 --> 01:08:23,338
a big voting block, by
keeping the case downtown.
1186
01:08:23,475 --> 01:08:26,137
I'm confident
that we can, indeed,
1187
01:08:26,311 --> 01:08:29,803
find white, black,
brown, every colorjuror
1188
01:08:30,182 --> 01:08:34,812
there is, who will, indeed,
be fair and impartial.
1189
01:08:35,187 --> 01:08:38,850
I think it would have
been societally better,
1190
01:08:39,190 --> 01:08:43,594
from the DA's perspective,
to win a conviction downtown.
1191
01:08:43,761 --> 01:08:45,695
And to not be accused
of having stacked this,
1192
01:08:45,831 --> 01:08:47,730
in such a way that
whites were to
1193
01:08:47,865 --> 01:08:50,629
stand in judgement of black men.
1194
01:08:53,205 --> 01:08:54,569
If you have a
juror who believes
1195
01:08:54,706 --> 01:08:58,835
police never do anything
wrong, you're in tough shape.
1196
01:08:59,210 --> 01:09:01,577
Certainly, you can
find most people,
1197
01:09:01,746 --> 01:09:03,838
want to believe their
police officers are
1198
01:09:04,249 --> 01:09:05,339
fair and want to
do theirjob and so
1199
01:09:05,482 --> 01:09:07,814
that's a given, you
start with that,
1200
01:09:08,219 --> 01:09:09,312
but you've got to
find that person who
1201
01:09:09,454 --> 01:09:10,853
understands that
in the real world
1202
01:09:11,223 --> 01:09:13,851
that doesn't happen
all the time.
1203
01:09:16,827 --> 01:09:20,286
We interviewed over
5000 people in Los Angeles
1204
01:09:20,464 --> 01:09:22,728
in preparation for
the OJ Simpson trial.
1205
01:09:22,900 --> 01:09:25,870
The conclusions were that
1206
01:09:26,236 --> 01:09:28,797
just presenting the
straight up evidence,
1207
01:09:29,173 --> 01:09:30,902
you weren't going
to get a lot of
1208
01:09:31,275 --> 01:09:34,871
sympathetic African
American females,
1209
01:09:35,246 --> 01:09:37,807
many harbored a
resentment that this
1210
01:09:38,183 --> 01:09:40,447
famous athlete,
this charming guy,
1211
01:09:40,584 --> 01:09:42,710
had a married a
white, blonde woman
1212
01:09:42,888 --> 01:09:46,483
rather than someone
from his own community.
1213
01:09:46,657 --> 01:09:50,754
But the antagonism was
to her and not him.
1214
01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:53,521
OJ you look
gorgeous right now.
1215
01:09:54,899 --> 01:09:57,459
How come you're
so loyal to this man
1216
01:09:57,635 --> 01:10:00,331
who married a white woman?
1217
01:10:00,504 --> 01:10:04,532
And was dating her while he
was married to a black woman.
1218
01:10:06,377 --> 01:10:07,867
I mean, doesn't any of this make
1219
01:10:08,246 --> 01:10:11,215
you feel a little
less defensive of him.
1220
01:10:11,950 --> 01:10:14,384
Marcia Clark had this
1221
01:10:14,585 --> 01:10:17,816
faith about her
ability to connect
1222
01:10:17,989 --> 01:10:20,423
with African American woman.
1223
01:10:21,826 --> 01:10:23,191
African American
women had been some
1224
01:10:23,394 --> 01:10:25,329
of my bestjurors
on previous cases.
1225
01:10:25,496 --> 01:10:28,260
Even when the defendant
was an African American.
1226
01:10:28,399 --> 01:10:29,958
There was just a way,
an easy way I had,
1227
01:10:30,334 --> 01:10:32,428
that I could talk to them.
1228
01:10:32,603 --> 01:10:33,764
Now, we will show
you the other side
1229
01:10:33,972 --> 01:10:36,304
of the smiling face that you
saw on the Hertz commercial.
1230
01:10:36,474 --> 01:10:38,806
We had trial simulations
1231
01:10:38,977 --> 01:10:40,671
The one you never
saw on camera.
1232
01:10:40,878 --> 01:10:44,872
Marcia was not
received positively.
1233
01:10:45,250 --> 01:10:48,617
Marcia Clark, every
black woman, bitch.
1234
01:10:51,755 --> 01:10:52,848
When they had the mock jury,
1235
01:10:53,023 --> 01:10:54,616
the mock trial, and
some of the comments
1236
01:10:54,758 --> 01:10:56,386
came back about you,
about maybe being
1237
01:10:56,594 --> 01:10:57,788
really hard or
tough, what did you
1238
01:10:57,962 --> 01:10:59,760
think when you
heard some of that.
1239
01:10:59,897 --> 01:11:02,958
I was very surprised,
the balance of them
1240
01:11:03,368 --> 01:11:05,893
said good things, so,
you know, the media
1241
01:11:06,304 --> 01:11:08,329
takes one kernel
and blows it up into
1242
01:11:08,505 --> 01:11:10,269
a huge bowl of popcorn.
1243
01:11:12,344 --> 01:11:13,811
Marcia tended to discount the
1244
01:11:14,012 --> 01:11:15,979
fact that black
women jurors didn't
1245
01:11:16,348 --> 01:11:18,976
seem to appreciate
her very much.
1246
01:11:20,751 --> 01:11:21,877
I had no illusions about what
1247
01:11:22,053 --> 01:11:24,351
I was going to be up against.
1248
01:11:24,521 --> 01:11:25,682
The odds were stacked against us
1249
01:11:25,856 --> 01:11:27,255
in terms of the
African Americanjurors
1250
01:11:27,424 --> 01:11:30,257
because that's what
the polls showed.
1251
01:11:30,428 --> 01:11:31,486
A California poll, released
1252
01:11:31,695 --> 01:11:33,925
today, found that
only 10% of blacks,
1253
01:11:34,298 --> 01:11:35,891
who were surveyed,
believed it is very
1254
01:11:36,300 --> 01:11:37,996
likely that Simpson was guilty.
1255
01:11:40,004 --> 01:11:42,997
The ideal juror
would have been
1256
01:11:43,408 --> 01:11:45,842
younger, i.e.
Someone not familiar
1257
01:11:46,011 --> 01:11:49,276
with Simpson at the
high of his fame,
1258
01:11:49,447 --> 01:11:51,415
Asian, or probably white.
1259
01:11:53,751 --> 01:11:55,583
All we want, just give me,
1260
01:11:55,753 --> 01:12:00,417
12 fair, responsible,
unbiased jurors
1261
01:12:00,591 --> 01:12:02,287
who are going to follow the law
1262
01:12:02,459 --> 01:12:04,984
and put aside their
personal feelings
1263
01:12:05,330 --> 01:12:08,822
and do what the court
and the law requires.
1264
01:12:16,041 --> 01:12:17,735
In Los Angeles today,
thejudge and lawyers
1265
01:12:17,875 --> 01:12:19,537
in the OJ Simpson
murdertrial began
1266
01:12:19,710 --> 01:12:23,078
interviewing prospective
jurors face to face.
1267
01:12:29,554 --> 01:12:31,749
Just to set the scene foryou,
1268
01:12:31,922 --> 01:12:33,651
when all thejurors walk in,
1269
01:12:33,825 --> 01:12:37,352
all the attorneys are lined
up like a receiving line,
1270
01:12:37,495 --> 01:12:40,055
and several times
during the proceedings,
1271
01:12:40,397 --> 01:12:42,524
OJ Simpson would
turn and seem to
1272
01:12:42,700 --> 01:12:43,997
make eye contact with people,
1273
01:12:44,135 --> 01:12:48,071
and occasionally smile at
people in the audience.
1274
01:13:17,435 --> 01:13:19,801
The quest for
impartial jurors has
1275
01:13:20,003 --> 01:13:22,996
been going on now for
more than a month.
1276
01:13:28,445 --> 01:13:30,914
They called me to the chair.
1277
01:13:31,850 --> 01:13:34,944
When I sat down, I didn't
even put my purse down.
1278
01:13:35,120 --> 01:13:37,417
Because I felt like it was
going to be that quick.
1279
01:13:37,622 --> 01:13:39,055
They were going to
say, you're excused.
1280
01:13:39,423 --> 01:13:40,118
I'm looking at the list,
1281
01:13:40,492 --> 01:13:41,857
I know what's coming up.
1282
01:13:42,025 --> 01:13:42,958
I know who's left behind me.
1283
01:13:43,127 --> 01:13:44,458
I know what I've got in the box.
1284
01:13:44,628 --> 01:13:45,721
I have to look and see,
1285
01:13:45,896 --> 01:13:47,990
am I going to do
better or worse.
1286
01:13:48,166 --> 01:13:50,963
There was a process,
of what I have labeled
1287
01:13:51,168 --> 01:13:52,727
as reverse Darwinism,
1288
01:13:54,438 --> 01:13:57,464
I call it the survival
of the most unfitjurors.
1289
01:13:57,608 --> 01:13:58,473
Many it seems want to watch,
1290
01:13:58,643 --> 01:14:01,110
but fewer wish to serve.
1291
01:14:01,445 --> 01:14:03,573
91 of 219 people summoned for
1292
01:14:03,748 --> 01:14:05,682
Simpson jury duty, said
in a questionnaire,
1293
01:14:05,883 --> 01:14:09,911
a likely 6 month trial would
be too great a hardship.
1294
01:14:13,558 --> 01:14:15,822
I think it's the
only way, to assure
1295
01:14:15,994 --> 01:14:21,694
that we are going to have a
fair trial for both sides.
1296
01:14:22,966 --> 01:14:27,165
Jurors who were
available for six months
1297
01:14:27,585 --> 01:14:33,217
skewed heavily towards
a lower socio economic
1298
01:14:33,591 --> 01:14:39,587
strata of jurors and a much
more diverse jury pool.
1299
01:14:39,750 --> 01:14:41,218
A lot of smartjurors
who might have been
1300
01:14:41,553 --> 01:14:45,580
open to DNAscientific evidence
simply went by the wayside.
1301
01:14:47,572 --> 01:14:50,973
We didn't have many
of our type of juror.
1302
01:14:52,729 --> 01:14:54,197
I thought, okay, I better
quit while I'm behind
1303
01:14:54,565 --> 01:14:56,761
and not get further
behind because it was
1304
01:14:56,900 --> 01:14:59,870
only going to go
downhill from there.
1305
01:15:01,239 --> 01:15:02,706
They said, "Your
Honor we accept,"
1306
01:15:02,874 --> 01:15:06,970
and at that point,
I sunk in my chair.
1307
01:15:07,679 --> 01:15:09,044
I was stunned.
1308
01:15:09,213 --> 01:15:14,117
Oh my God, oh my God,
and I told my daughter,
1309
01:15:14,285 --> 01:15:18,745
and she said, "Oh
Mother, oh my God."
1310
01:15:21,291 --> 01:15:24,261
And my son, he said,
"Oh my God, Mother."
1311
01:15:27,832 --> 01:15:29,799
And that was it.
1312
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:34,027
In the end, we did the
best we could with a bad lot.
1313
01:15:36,307 --> 01:15:39,538
We wound up with eight
African American women,
1314
01:15:39,744 --> 01:15:42,211
I thought, you know it
will be an uphill battle
1315
01:15:42,580 --> 01:15:44,046
but I think they'll listen.
1316
01:15:44,214 --> 01:15:46,843
Thrilled, we're thrilled.
1317
01:15:47,018 --> 01:15:49,179
We were so stunned
1318
01:15:49,586 --> 01:15:53,215
that we had such a large
collection of favorable jurors.
1319
01:15:54,625 --> 01:15:58,562
75% of the actual
jurors believed
1320
01:15:59,330 --> 01:16:01,764
that he could not have
committed these murders
1321
01:16:01,933 --> 01:16:05,231
because he excelled
at football at USC.
1322
01:16:05,603 --> 01:16:06,626
The only thing
that could get you
1323
01:16:06,804 --> 01:16:07,964
through some times is that guys
1324
01:16:08,139 --> 01:16:10,300
look at each other and
say, hey man, we are SC.
1325
01:16:10,674 --> 01:16:12,938
(laughing)
1326
01:16:13,110 --> 01:16:16,080
We were about to walk in to
1327
01:16:16,247 --> 01:16:18,306
the lockup from the court room.
1328
01:16:18,683 --> 01:16:21,846
OJ looked back one last time,
1329
01:16:22,020 --> 01:16:23,145
it was me, Johnnie, we were going
1330
01:16:23,320 --> 01:16:24,948
back to talk about everything
1331
01:16:25,123 --> 01:16:28,751
and OJ said, "Guys, if this jury
1332
01:16:28,939 --> 01:16:32,568
convicts me, maybe I did do it."
1333
01:16:55,378 --> 01:16:58,041
(birds chirping)
1334
01:16:59,109 --> 01:17:01,942
(orchestral music)
1335
01:17:05,601 --> 01:17:09,662
It has taken seven months
to reach this point.
1336
01:17:11,907 --> 01:17:13,397
We are, and I
think the client,
1337
01:17:13,542 --> 01:17:15,601
is really, really
pleased, that we
1338
01:17:15,764 --> 01:17:19,757
can have someone stand up and
speak to the tryers of fact.
1339
01:17:21,197 --> 01:17:23,894
Time to stop posturing.
1340
01:17:24,101 --> 01:17:25,089
Let's go to trial.
1341
01:17:25,468 --> 01:17:28,062
Have a good one everybody.
1342
01:17:28,438 --> 01:17:33,171
Five, four, three, two, one
1343
01:17:37,450 --> 01:17:41,011
Council and the
audience please be seated.
1344
01:17:42,521 --> 01:17:44,648
Alright, are both sides prepared
to go forward, Mr. Cochran?
1345
01:17:45,023 --> 01:17:45,615
We are, your Honor.
1346
01:17:45,992 --> 01:17:46,549
Ms. Clark?
1347
01:17:46,726 --> 01:17:47,692
Yes, we are, your Honor.
1348
01:17:48,061 --> 01:17:48,618
Alright, do the people wish
1349
01:17:48,995 --> 01:17:49,518
to make an opening statement?
1350
01:17:49,696 --> 01:17:51,357
Yes we do.
1351
01:17:51,531 --> 01:17:52,555
Alright, you may proceed.
1352
01:17:52,731 --> 01:17:54,723
Mr. Darden, thank you.
1353
01:17:56,668 --> 01:17:58,569
When we started off,
1354
01:17:58,770 --> 01:18:02,673
the prosecution had
theirteam of lawyers.
1355
01:18:03,041 --> 01:18:06,272
Your HonorJudge
lto, Mr. Cochran,
1356
01:18:06,446 --> 01:18:08,744
Mr. Shapiro, and Dean Allman.
1357
01:18:09,749 --> 01:18:12,081
And here's this new
face at the table.
1358
01:18:12,250 --> 01:18:14,048
And to you ladies and
gentlemen of the jury,
1359
01:18:14,220 --> 01:18:15,744
Good morning.
1360
01:18:16,122 --> 01:18:18,590
And I'm like, why did
they bring him here?
1361
01:18:18,758 --> 01:18:19,554
And we're here today,
1362
01:18:19,726 --> 01:18:23,126
obviously, to resolve an issue,
1363
01:18:23,295 --> 01:18:24,456
to settle a question,
1364
01:18:24,597 --> 01:18:26,564
a question that has
been on the minds of
1365
01:18:26,732 --> 01:18:29,725
people throughout the country
these last seven months.
1366
01:18:30,103 --> 01:18:31,195
Certainly has been on the mind
1367
01:18:31,370 --> 01:18:32,598
of my people up in
Richmond, California
1368
01:18:32,771 --> 01:18:34,740
and friends in
Fayetteville, Georgia
1369
01:18:35,141 --> 01:18:36,004
and all across the country and
1370
01:18:36,175 --> 01:18:39,042
everybody wants to
know, did OJ Simpson
1371
01:18:39,211 --> 01:18:42,375
really kill Nicole Brown
and Ronald Goldman?
1372
01:18:44,617 --> 01:18:50,418
It was apparent to
everyone in America,
1373
01:18:50,590 --> 01:18:52,751
why he was now on the case.
1374
01:18:54,560 --> 01:18:56,551
Well, certainly
because he was black.
1375
01:18:56,696 --> 01:18:58,755
That was everybody-
because he was a good lawyer.
1376
01:18:59,132 --> 01:19:00,599
He's a good lawyer, we
needed to add to the team.
1377
01:19:00,767 --> 01:19:04,259
Strengthen the team up,
that's the party line.
1378
01:19:05,805 --> 01:19:09,468
I thought Chris was a
very good trial lawyer.
1379
01:19:09,642 --> 01:19:12,236
Any questions for Chris?
1380
01:19:12,411 --> 01:19:13,742
He was young, he was learning.
1381
01:19:14,146 --> 01:19:15,478
Come on, man, come on.
1382
01:19:15,647 --> 01:19:18,674
Look at this guy, come on,
we have to drag him over.
1383
01:19:19,084 --> 01:19:20,643
But he was very good.
1384
01:19:22,155 --> 01:19:24,783
There was a little
bit of cockiness.
1385
01:19:25,158 --> 01:19:28,286
But it was not an
offensive cockiness.
1386
01:19:28,460 --> 01:19:29,586
I don't care
what anybody says,
1387
01:19:29,762 --> 01:19:31,161
I dress much better
than Johnnie Cochran.
1388
01:19:31,330 --> 01:19:32,421
(laughing)
1389
01:19:32,632 --> 01:19:34,691
Johnnie, I'm going to
introduce you to my,
1390
01:19:34,833 --> 01:19:38,201
well I'm gonna show you the
rack where I buy my suits.
1391
01:19:38,371 --> 01:19:39,269
He had a pretty
good reputation
1392
01:19:39,472 --> 01:19:41,770
as someone who can build a case.
1393
01:19:43,441 --> 01:19:47,775
And of course, most
notably, Chris was black.
1394
01:19:48,146 --> 01:19:53,676
And Marcia and I were not.
1395
01:19:56,254 --> 01:19:58,849
You hear a lot about
this talk aboutjustice.
1396
01:19:59,225 --> 01:20:00,715
I guess, Dr. Martin
Luther King said it best,
1397
01:20:01,126 --> 01:20:03,253
when he said that,
injustice anywhere
1398
01:20:03,429 --> 01:20:05,863
is a threat to
justice everywhere.
1399
01:20:06,199 --> 01:20:09,862
So, we are now, embarked
upon this search forjustice.
1400
01:20:11,470 --> 01:20:14,303
I have to tell you
personally, for all the cases
1401
01:20:14,473 --> 01:20:17,168
I've tried, I never
felt so white.
1402
01:20:18,444 --> 01:20:20,435
It seems to me that
the fact that blood
1403
01:20:20,613 --> 01:20:24,105
mysteriously appears on
vital pieces of evidence
1404
01:20:24,283 --> 01:20:28,743
and it's predicted what the
results will be regarding DNA,
1405
01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:32,378
when that evidence is
still in the police lab,
1406
01:20:32,524 --> 01:20:36,552
is devastating evidence of
something far more sinister.
1407
01:20:37,864 --> 01:20:43,268
Using the concept of a
conspiracy, historically,
1408
01:20:43,436 --> 01:20:48,338
in Los Angeles will resonate
with diversejurors,
1409
01:20:48,507 --> 01:20:50,805
who know about this history.
1410
01:20:52,878 --> 01:20:55,746
You had to have
someone to blame.
1411
01:20:57,583 --> 01:21:00,710
Detective Mark Fuhrman,
now it's very interesting,
1412
01:21:00,853 --> 01:21:03,788
that the prosecution never once
1413
01:21:03,956 --> 01:21:05,787
mentioned his name yesterday.
1414
01:21:05,958 --> 01:21:07,754
It's like they just
want to hide him,
1415
01:21:07,927 --> 01:21:11,761
but they can't hide him, he's
very much a part of this case.
1416
01:21:13,633 --> 01:21:17,467
Chris Darden
sawthat this case
1417
01:21:17,637 --> 01:21:23,541
was becoming this weird
referendum on the LAPD,
1418
01:21:25,877 --> 01:21:28,312
on the history of
race in Los Angeles.
1419
01:21:29,749 --> 01:21:32,912
And Chris, he
understood those issues.
1420
01:21:34,320 --> 01:21:37,915
He had worked in what
was then our SID unit,
1421
01:21:38,291 --> 01:21:41,886
which investigated
police abuse cases.
1422
01:21:42,929 --> 01:21:44,487
They obtained those warrants
1423
01:21:44,664 --> 01:21:47,895
simply to level and make
uninhabitable those locations.
1424
01:21:48,267 --> 01:21:49,791
Any of the police
officers that were
1425
01:21:49,969 --> 01:21:52,631
called to testify by
us, lied on the stand,
1426
01:21:52,805 --> 01:21:55,933
it was obvious to everyone
that they were lying.
1427
01:21:56,342 --> 01:22:01,939
Every black lawyer idolized
Johnnie Cochran in 1994.
1428
01:22:02,981 --> 01:22:08,784
And I say, Chris Darden
wanted to out-Johnnie, Johnnie.
1429
01:22:10,556 --> 01:22:12,581
He wanted to beat the man
1430
01:22:13,458 --> 01:22:17,520
on the biggest
stage of his career.
1431
01:22:23,402 --> 01:22:24,767
Police detective Mark Fuhrman,
1432
01:22:24,937 --> 01:22:28,873
did he find or plant a bloody
glove at Simpson's estate?
1433
01:22:29,041 --> 01:22:30,975
Judge Lance lto
must soon decide
1434
01:22:31,376 --> 01:22:32,502
whetherthe jury gets to hear
1435
01:22:32,645 --> 01:22:35,910
about detective
Fuhrman's checkered past.
1436
01:22:37,482 --> 01:22:40,417
We knew Fuhrman was going
to be an important witness.
1437
01:22:40,553 --> 01:22:42,919
People had indicated that
he had used racist language
1438
01:22:43,289 --> 01:22:46,725
in an offensive way,
in a way that, I think, jurors
1439
01:22:46,926 --> 01:22:49,292
and everybody else
would not like.
1440
01:22:49,461 --> 01:22:51,395
The N word, or any
other racial epithet,
1441
01:22:51,563 --> 01:22:55,000
has an inflammatory effect,
that is incomparable,
1442
01:22:55,368 --> 01:22:57,700
and to that specific issue,
1443
01:22:57,870 --> 01:22:59,837
Mr. Darden wishes to
address the court, and
1444
01:22:59,972 --> 01:23:03,032
I think I'll conclude my
comments at this time.
1445
01:23:03,409 --> 01:23:05,775
Mr. Darden, good morning.
1446
01:23:05,945 --> 01:23:08,641
Good morning, your Honor.
1447
01:23:08,781 --> 01:23:09,975
Your honor, I think
the best indication
1448
01:23:10,349 --> 01:23:11,907
or evidence on just
how inflammatory
1449
01:23:12,083 --> 01:23:14,746
the use of the word
is, is the fact
1450
01:23:14,919 --> 01:23:17,320
that it appears that
Mr. Cochran and I,
1451
01:23:17,456 --> 01:23:20,323
the only two black lead lawyers
1452
01:23:20,493 --> 01:23:22,051
on each side of
the council table
1453
01:23:22,428 --> 01:23:23,952
are some how dragged
into this issue,
1454
01:23:24,330 --> 01:23:26,423
to argue the issue to the court.
1455
01:23:26,599 --> 01:23:30,933
They used him to
make the argument,
1456
01:23:31,103 --> 01:23:33,970
that an African American jury
1457
01:23:34,105 --> 01:23:37,836
can not listen to the
utterance of that word
1458
01:23:37,977 --> 01:23:42,003
in some sort of
dispassionate, objective way.
1459
01:23:42,380 --> 01:23:43,643
It blinds people.
1460
01:23:45,117 --> 01:23:46,049
It will blind thejury.
1461
01:23:46,418 --> 01:23:48,410
It will blind them to the truth.
1462
01:23:48,621 --> 01:23:51,954
They won't be able to discern
what's true and what's not.
1463
01:23:52,124 --> 01:23:53,887
He hit the nail
right on the head.
1464
01:23:54,025 --> 01:23:55,458
He said, if you
do this, you know,
1465
01:23:55,627 --> 01:23:57,823
then that's all that this
case is gonna be about.
1466
01:23:57,997 --> 01:24:01,433
All they'll think about is
frame up, frame up, frame up.
1467
01:24:01,566 --> 01:24:02,659
All they do is mention the word,
1468
01:24:02,834 --> 01:24:04,996
say to Mark Fuhrman,
hey did you ever
1469
01:24:05,371 --> 01:24:07,601
use that N word, and he'll
say, "Yeah," and it's over.
1470
01:24:07,772 --> 01:24:10,071
He must have planted the glove.
1471
01:24:10,409 --> 01:24:13,003
I remember
whispering to Johnnie,
1472
01:24:13,145 --> 01:24:14,441
is this nigger serious?
1473
01:24:14,613 --> 01:24:16,581
And I'm not saying
Mark Fuhrman is a racist
1474
01:24:16,782 --> 01:24:18,079
Is this nigger crazy?
1475
01:24:18,451 --> 01:24:19,542
He was suffering
from stress and
1476
01:24:19,751 --> 01:24:20,810
it has to be stressful to be a
1477
01:24:20,953 --> 01:24:22,079
police officer in
the city of LA,
1478
01:24:22,455 --> 01:24:23,479
geez the stuff that is going on
1479
01:24:23,688 --> 01:24:26,919
in this city in the
last five to six years.
1480
01:24:27,093 --> 01:24:28,082
Is he serious?
1481
01:24:29,627 --> 01:24:32,028
Or is hejust carrying
the white man's bucket?
1482
01:24:32,397 --> 01:24:33,456
It will give them a test, and
1483
01:24:33,632 --> 01:24:35,031
the test will be,
who's side are you on?
1484
01:24:35,434 --> 01:24:37,731
The side of the
white prosecutors and
the white policemen
1485
01:24:37,903 --> 01:24:39,666
or on the side of the
black defendant and
1486
01:24:39,838 --> 01:24:43,570
his very prominent and
capable black lawyer.
1487
01:24:43,742 --> 01:24:45,972
That's what it's gonna
do, either you're
1488
01:24:46,145 --> 01:24:49,603
with the man or you're
with the brothers.
1489
01:24:51,117 --> 01:24:52,982
I must say, and
this is one of those
1490
01:24:53,152 --> 01:24:54,915
sort of bracing
moments, this is why you
1491
01:24:55,086 --> 01:24:57,055
need diversity in
newsrooms, by the way,
1492
01:24:57,423 --> 01:24:58,515
is that I came out
of there thinking
1493
01:24:58,690 --> 01:25:00,419
that Darden made a
pretty good point.
1494
01:25:00,593 --> 01:25:01,958
That it's such a shocking word,
1495
01:25:02,127 --> 01:25:05,655
that I found myself
flinching at the use of it.
1496
01:25:05,831 --> 01:25:07,093
My colleague, Andrea Ford,
1497
01:25:07,466 --> 01:25:09,957
an African American
women, was outraged.
1498
01:25:10,136 --> 01:25:11,865
She felt it was really insulting
1499
01:25:12,037 --> 01:25:13,971
to blacks, to African Americans,
1500
01:25:14,105 --> 01:25:15,073
to think they
couldn't hearthe word
1501
01:25:15,474 --> 01:25:18,034
and give it the proper weight.
1502
01:25:18,717 --> 01:25:21,413
And I remember thinking,
after talking to Andrea,
1503
01:25:21,787 --> 01:25:24,255
wow, that didn't
really occurto me.
1504
01:25:24,423 --> 01:25:26,448
It is a reminder,
that who we are
1505
01:25:26,792 --> 01:25:29,352
and how we're brought up does
affect the way we hear things.
1506
01:25:29,728 --> 01:25:30,456
Thank you very
much, Judge lto.
1507
01:25:30,829 --> 01:25:32,797
I have a funeral
to attend today but
1508
01:25:32,964 --> 01:25:35,990
I would be remiss were
I not at this time
1509
01:25:36,168 --> 01:25:37,328
to take this
opportunity to respond
1510
01:25:37,469 --> 01:25:40,199
to my good friend,
Mr. Chris Darden.
1511
01:25:40,338 --> 01:25:42,329
When Johnnie gets angry,
which is very rare,
1512
01:25:42,507 --> 01:25:47,240
you know, he's remarkably
articulate and good.
1513
01:25:47,412 --> 01:25:49,380
Johnnie got angry that day.
1514
01:25:49,748 --> 01:25:51,375
His remarks this morning
1515
01:25:51,750 --> 01:25:53,047
are perhaps the most
incredible remarks
1516
01:25:53,218 --> 01:25:55,778
I've heard in the court of law
1517
01:25:55,954 --> 01:25:58,286
in the 32 years I've
been practicing law.
1518
01:25:58,457 --> 01:26:03,360
His remarks are demeaning to
African Americans as a group.
1519
01:26:04,763 --> 01:26:06,924
And so I want, before
I go to this funeral,
1520
01:26:07,098 --> 01:26:10,465
to apologize to African
Americans across this country.
1521
01:26:10,802 --> 01:26:13,270
African Americans live
with offensive words,
1522
01:26:13,438 --> 01:26:15,736
offensive looks,
offensive treatment
1523
01:26:15,907 --> 01:26:17,772
every day of their lives.
1524
01:26:18,910 --> 01:26:23,779
To say they can't be fair
is absolutely outrageous.
1525
01:26:23,949 --> 01:26:25,974
I am ashamed
1526
01:26:26,151 --> 01:26:28,278
that Mr. Darden would
allow himself to
1527
01:26:28,453 --> 01:26:31,081
become an apologist
forthis man.
1528
01:26:32,090 --> 01:26:36,356
You can't justify that
in a civilized society.
1529
01:26:36,528 --> 01:26:40,191
Nobody wants introduce race
into this case, your honor.
1530
01:26:40,365 --> 01:26:41,332
Johnnie was dying
to get the word
1531
01:26:41,533 --> 01:26:43,364
"nigger" in front of thejury.
1532
01:26:43,568 --> 01:26:46,230
He also did it in such a way
1533
01:26:46,438 --> 01:26:48,872
that, frankly, he made
Darden look ridiculous.
1534
01:26:49,040 --> 01:26:50,507
To come here and testify
as an expert to you
1535
01:26:50,842 --> 01:26:52,503
of what black people
think in America.
1536
01:26:52,844 --> 01:26:55,312
All across America,
today, believe me
1537
01:26:55,480 --> 01:26:58,005
black people are offended
at this very moment.
1538
01:26:58,216 --> 01:27:00,844
I think that Johnnie
was rough on him.
1539
01:27:01,019 --> 01:27:02,816
I think it hurt his feelings.
1540
01:27:02,954 --> 01:27:04,080
A lot of people
thought that Chris
1541
01:27:04,256 --> 01:27:06,918
would end up at
the Cochran firm.
1542
01:27:07,125 --> 01:27:09,923
And, obviously,
that didn't happen.
1543
01:27:11,162 --> 01:27:12,823
People had contempt
for him because
1544
01:27:13,031 --> 01:27:16,967
they felt like he was a
tool that was being used.
1545
01:27:18,036 --> 01:27:19,469
It's a time to not
to do things that
1546
01:27:19,871 --> 01:27:22,567
it seems to me will last
a person's entire career
1547
01:27:22,941 --> 01:27:26,342
such as insulting a
whole race of people
1548
01:27:26,545 --> 01:27:28,536
who have meant so
much to this country.
1549
01:27:28,880 --> 01:27:32,509
Let's be clear about
this, the subtext
1550
01:27:32,851 --> 01:27:35,046
of everything that
Johnnie Cochran said
1551
01:27:35,220 --> 01:27:37,916
about Chris Darden
was, Uncle Tom.
1552
01:27:39,891 --> 01:27:42,359
And it was egregiously unfair.
1553
01:27:44,396 --> 01:27:46,159
Johnnie Cochran,
among otherthings,
1554
01:27:46,331 --> 01:27:49,425
tried OJ was an African
American defendant.
1555
01:27:49,601 --> 01:27:52,035
When OJ Simpson
didn't really have
1556
01:27:52,203 --> 01:27:56,196
much of a reputation as an
African American person, really.
1557
01:27:57,509 --> 01:27:58,840
I used to walk
on the wild side,
1558
01:27:59,010 --> 01:28:01,274
now I just take a brisk walk.
1559
01:28:04,042 --> 01:28:06,204
This was not a person
that you thought of as a,
1560
01:28:06,377 --> 01:28:10,007
kind of, iconic black
figure in Los Angeles.
1561
01:28:10,215 --> 01:28:13,946
I mean, he lived two
blocks from Mayor Riordan.
1562
01:28:16,147 --> 01:28:19,048
(dramatic music)
1563
01:28:20,717 --> 01:28:23,312
We wanted the
jury to see Bundy
1564
01:28:23,486 --> 01:28:24,977
but the defense
said, well if we're
1565
01:28:25,155 --> 01:28:29,251
going to do that, we
have to go to Rockingham.
1566
01:28:29,393 --> 01:28:30,758
They do not need
to go to Rockingham
1567
01:28:30,960 --> 01:28:33,986
but if they do, show them
where they found the glove.
1568
01:28:34,165 --> 01:28:37,430
That's all that
arguably relevant.
1569
01:28:37,834 --> 01:28:39,734
(police radios)
1570
01:28:39,903 --> 01:28:41,928
We come to find
that lto was going
1571
01:28:42,105 --> 01:28:44,370
to let them go into Rockingham.
1572
01:28:44,741 --> 01:28:45,436
He's going to march thejury
1573
01:28:45,810 --> 01:28:46,742
through the inside of the house,
1574
01:28:46,876 --> 01:28:48,811
which is relevant to what?
1575
01:28:48,979 --> 01:28:50,913
No part of the crime
happened inside the house.
1576
01:28:51,081 --> 01:28:52,946
What are we doing there?
1577
01:28:57,487 --> 01:29:01,947
What we did that day
is create an illusion.
1578
01:29:02,158 --> 01:29:06,458
When you would walk
up the grand staircase
1579
01:29:07,164 --> 01:29:10,930
there was a large wall with
pictures of the family,
1580
01:29:11,968 --> 01:29:13,333
pictures of friends,
1581
01:29:15,138 --> 01:29:17,767
pictures of OJ's career,
1582
01:29:17,941 --> 01:29:21,900
problem was the
overwhelming majority of
1583
01:29:22,045 --> 01:29:27,278
pictures were of Caucasian
friends and colleagues of his.
1584
01:29:31,354 --> 01:29:34,347
We had an African Americanjury
1585
01:29:34,524 --> 01:29:39,291
and we wanted to make
sure that the home setting
1586
01:29:40,331 --> 01:29:44,392
would reflect the themes
that we wanted to reflect.
1587
01:29:46,036 --> 01:29:47,196
We took all of his
white friends down.
1588
01:29:47,371 --> 01:29:49,931
Put all of his black people up.
1589
01:29:50,106 --> 01:29:53,439
Pictures he probably
had never seen before
1590
01:29:54,478 --> 01:29:56,207
because that is
what we were told
1591
01:29:56,379 --> 01:29:58,472
the jury would identify with.
1592
01:29:59,916 --> 01:30:01,508
We made him blacker.
1593
01:30:02,318 --> 01:30:05,516
There was a Norman
Rockwell lithograph
1594
01:30:06,957 --> 01:30:09,289
that we took from
Johnnie's office
1595
01:30:11,528 --> 01:30:15,430
and we put that picture at
the very top of the stairs.
1596
01:30:18,468 --> 01:30:22,496
We did not remove all of his
pictures with white people.
1597
01:30:23,874 --> 01:30:25,340
The whole house
would have been gone,
1598
01:30:25,508 --> 01:30:29,206
would have been dark,
we didn't do that.
1599
01:30:29,379 --> 01:30:33,578
You have got to be kidding
me, it's night and day.
1600
01:30:33,983 --> 01:30:35,382
This was an African
American man's house.
1601
01:30:35,552 --> 01:30:39,921
Who had no associations with
any white guys whatsoever.
1602
01:30:40,103 --> 01:30:43,937
Marcia saw the wall
1603
01:30:44,093 --> 01:30:47,529
and she said, "Carl, you
know damn well, he has never
1604
01:30:47,897 --> 01:30:52,425
had this many black people on
his wall, his entire life."
1605
01:30:52,603 --> 01:30:55,470
I said, "Marcia, what
are you talking about?
1606
01:30:55,605 --> 01:30:59,564
How dare you accuse
us of such things."
1607
01:30:59,943 --> 01:31:02,936
I was miserable, I was angry.
1608
01:31:03,146 --> 01:31:05,138
That is very dirty pool.
1609
01:31:05,315 --> 01:31:07,079
If we had had a Latin jury,
1610
01:31:07,250 --> 01:31:09,082
we would have had a picture
of him in a sombrero,
1611
01:31:09,252 --> 01:31:13,519
there would have been a
mariachi band out front,
1612
01:31:13,891 --> 01:31:17,156
we would have had a pinata
at the upper staircase.
1613
01:31:17,328 --> 01:31:18,886
I objected, we went outside,
1614
01:31:19,062 --> 01:31:20,394
we convened a
hearing and I said,
1615
01:31:20,563 --> 01:31:22,395
this has no
relevance whatsoever.
1616
01:31:22,600 --> 01:31:23,566
They've now changed the scene.
1617
01:31:23,934 --> 01:31:25,230
It was never relevant
to begin with
1618
01:31:25,401 --> 01:31:27,631
and now it's
completely irrelevant.
1619
01:31:27,971 --> 01:31:29,336
You know, the defense is always
1620
01:31:29,540 --> 01:31:31,531
going to push the envelope,
that's what they do.
1621
01:31:31,674 --> 01:31:35,007
It's up to the
judge to stop them.
1622
01:31:35,178 --> 01:31:37,544
Ito let them get away with it.
1623
01:31:38,849 --> 01:31:41,943
(dramatic music)
1624
01:31:42,119 --> 01:31:44,383
All of a sudden
he became black.
1625
01:31:44,520 --> 01:31:48,457
They threw off the cape
and now he's one of them.
1626
01:31:51,562 --> 01:31:53,961
I was surprised
to see the depth
1627
01:31:54,130 --> 01:31:55,461
of feeling that
so many people in
1628
01:31:55,632 --> 01:31:57,156
the black community,
certainly those
1629
01:31:57,333 --> 01:32:00,666
around the courthouse,
had for him.
1630
01:32:01,038 --> 01:32:02,004
I feel that he
is not guilty and
1631
01:32:02,138 --> 01:32:04,231
I also feel that he
is being unfairly
1632
01:32:04,407 --> 01:32:06,341
treated as so have
a lot of African
1633
01:32:06,542 --> 01:32:11,275
American persons who have been
through thejudicial process.
1634
01:32:11,481 --> 01:32:13,643
I think that you find
among black people,
1635
01:32:13,983 --> 01:32:16,475
an incredible amount
of forgiveness
1636
01:32:16,620 --> 01:32:19,417
for anybody living
through the pain
1637
01:32:20,958 --> 01:32:23,222
of being black in America.
1638
01:32:23,394 --> 01:32:24,690
They were not involved with OJ
1639
01:32:25,062 --> 01:32:26,552
in terms of critical thinking.
1640
01:32:26,729 --> 01:32:27,627
Why does he mean
so much to you?
1641
01:32:27,998 --> 01:32:30,159
You know, I can't answer that,
1642
01:32:30,333 --> 01:32:31,129
this is just something that's
1643
01:32:31,300 --> 01:32:33,029
really struck a chord with me.
1644
01:32:33,203 --> 01:32:35,000
And I'm just
compelled to be here.
1645
01:32:35,171 --> 01:32:38,607
He was a black man who
was on trial that they
1646
01:32:39,008 --> 01:32:46,710
perceived that white people
were trying to unfairly harm.
1647
01:32:47,083 --> 01:32:48,312
They're trying
to railroad him,
1648
01:32:48,484 --> 01:32:49,542
they need to find the murderer.
1649
01:32:49,687 --> 01:32:51,621
Go out and look
forthe murderer.
1650
01:32:51,754 --> 01:32:55,623
He's accused but we
all know he didn't do it.
1651
01:32:55,758 --> 01:32:59,661
He was wealthy, he
was powerful, he was
this, he was that,
1652
01:33:00,029 --> 01:33:03,021
there is a B-U-T, but,
1653
01:33:05,635 --> 01:33:07,296
he was black.
1654
01:33:07,437 --> 01:33:08,426
So, he didn't do it?
1655
01:33:08,604 --> 01:33:09,298
No, he didn't do it.
1656
01:33:09,439 --> 01:33:10,235
How do you know?
1657
01:33:10,406 --> 01:33:11,270
I know he didn't do it.
1658
01:33:11,375 --> 01:33:12,103
How do you know?
1659
01:33:12,275 --> 01:33:13,401
I just know.
1660
01:33:13,576 --> 01:33:17,342
You may be at the top
house in Beverly Hills,
1661
01:33:19,016 --> 01:33:23,510
and I may be in the
basement of a place in watts
1662
01:33:27,077 --> 01:33:28,977
but we are connected.
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