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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,529 --> 00:00:03,191 ª I'm looking up 2 00:00:06,468 --> 00:00:10,234 ª Cause baby I've been down 3 00:00:10,406 --> 00:00:12,840 ª I'm looking up 4 00:00:16,612 --> 00:00:20,673 ª Tired of bringing you down 5 00:00:23,018 --> 00:00:24,952 (police radio chatter) 6 00:00:25,027 --> 00:00:28,622 When I got there, they had the scene very well secured. 7 00:00:28,984 --> 00:00:31,646 They had the entire block taped off. 8 00:00:33,121 --> 00:00:34,611 Front door wide open, little music playing 9 00:00:34,990 --> 00:00:38,653 in the background, candles are lit inside. 10 00:00:39,027 --> 00:00:41,689 Very violent confrontation. Rage. 11 00:00:44,733 --> 00:00:47,201 Two victims, blood everywhere. 12 00:00:49,671 --> 00:00:53,004 We find a glove... It's a left glove- 13 00:00:53,175 --> 00:00:55,666 and a blood trail indicating the 14 00:00:56,044 --> 00:00:58,604 suspect has been wounded on the left side. 15 00:00:58,780 --> 00:01:01,977 So we're just getting into this when we 16 00:01:02,150 --> 00:01:07,679 find out that this is apparently OJ Simpson's estranged wife. 17 00:01:10,025 --> 00:01:12,550 We have two children asleep. 18 00:01:12,728 --> 00:01:15,322 I have a very brutal murder. 19 00:01:15,497 --> 00:01:18,660 Someone's gotta make a death notification of next of kin. 20 00:01:19,034 --> 00:01:20,160 Which is Simpson. 21 00:01:21,737 --> 00:01:24,535 Lang and Vannatter were talking 22 00:01:24,706 --> 00:01:27,140 and they called me over and said, 23 00:01:27,309 --> 00:01:29,777 "You were at Simpson's house once, right? 24 00:01:30,145 --> 00:01:32,545 We want you to take us up there." 25 00:01:35,650 --> 00:01:39,108 We pull close to the gate. 26 00:01:41,089 --> 00:01:44,752 Vannatter was hitting the doorbell, 27 00:01:45,127 --> 00:01:46,025 they keep ringing the doorbell 28 00:01:46,194 --> 00:01:49,322 and so I just stroll down the street. 29 00:01:49,531 --> 00:01:52,762 (ominous music) 30 00:01:53,135 --> 00:01:57,265 By the other gate, there's a white Bronco. 31 00:01:57,739 --> 00:02:00,640 On the driver's side door handle, blood. 32 00:02:02,677 --> 00:02:06,238 I mean there was enough evidence outside, 33 00:02:06,381 --> 00:02:09,817 we gotta make sure everybody's okay in here. 34 00:02:10,185 --> 00:02:13,211 Oh God, what are we going to do, Simpson's in there dead. 35 00:02:13,388 --> 00:02:14,787 Well, yeah, we need to go in. 36 00:02:15,157 --> 00:02:19,253 So I jumped up over the fence and I opened the gate. 37 00:02:19,427 --> 00:02:21,793 (ominous music) 38 00:02:23,198 --> 00:02:25,758 Bang on the front door, nothing. 39 00:02:26,134 --> 00:02:30,195 Walk around to the back, there's a couple of bungalows. 40 00:02:30,372 --> 00:02:33,535 The first one was Kato Kaelin's. 41 00:02:33,675 --> 00:02:36,337 Kato Kaelin was a live-in... 42 00:02:38,647 --> 00:02:40,478 ...friend. 43 00:02:40,649 --> 00:02:44,380 We said, "we're the police, check on Mr. Simpson." 44 00:02:46,288 --> 00:02:48,188 OJ's in Chicago. 45 00:02:48,356 --> 00:02:49,721 Well, he left last night. 46 00:02:50,125 --> 00:02:51,524 Oh, thank God. 47 00:02:51,893 --> 00:02:55,624 They all leave and I'm left here with Kato Kaelin. 48 00:02:56,865 --> 00:02:59,299 I go, "Tell me what you did last night." 49 00:02:59,835 --> 00:03:02,861 He goes, "well I was talking on the phone 50 00:03:03,205 --> 00:03:06,368 and all a sudden there was, like, an earthquake. 51 00:03:06,575 --> 00:03:08,475 It was just like... (pounding) 52 00:03:08,610 --> 00:03:11,170 ...on the wall and pictures shook." 53 00:03:13,515 --> 00:03:14,777 Okay. 54 00:03:15,517 --> 00:03:20,352 I walk back outside and I start walking 55 00:03:20,522 --> 00:03:23,457 down the back, behind the bungalows. 56 00:03:24,459 --> 00:03:27,257 And then as I pan down, 57 00:03:28,463 --> 00:03:31,660 I see this brown, glistening... 58 00:03:31,833 --> 00:03:35,530 At first I thought it was dog crap. 59 00:03:35,704 --> 00:03:39,401 And then I shined a light on it. It's a glove. 60 00:03:43,245 --> 00:03:45,907 Just like the one... Ed Bundy... 61 00:03:46,281 --> 00:03:48,909 Uh, yeah, this is gonna get deep. 62 00:03:49,551 --> 00:03:51,712 This is gonna be a crime scene. 63 00:03:51,873 --> 00:03:54,671 (ominous music) 64 00:04:14,704 --> 00:04:17,673 I make the decision to make a telephonic 65 00:04:17,873 --> 00:04:21,934 to the Brown family and I talk to Lou Brown 66 00:04:22,278 --> 00:04:25,008 and say that your daughter Nicole is dead. 67 00:04:26,716 --> 00:04:27,910 It's quiet for about two seconds then 68 00:04:28,284 --> 00:04:32,812 all this screaming. It's Nicole's sister, Denise. 69 00:04:32,989 --> 00:04:35,423 "I knew that motherfucker, he was gonna kill, 70 00:04:35,624 --> 00:04:37,489 I knew he was gonna do this." 71 00:04:37,660 --> 00:04:39,594 I mean, she didn't hesitate. 72 00:04:39,729 --> 00:04:40,889 Nobody comes unglued like that 73 00:04:41,063 --> 00:04:43,861 unless they have a strong suspicion. 74 00:04:44,033 --> 00:04:46,900 We gotta look at it a little differently now. 75 00:04:47,069 --> 00:04:48,832 We lock everything down, no more searching, 76 00:04:49,005 --> 00:04:52,463 can't do anything until we get a warrant. 77 00:04:53,075 --> 00:04:55,373 Phil Vannatter called me and said, 78 00:04:55,511 --> 00:04:57,672 "I've got some information; I need to get a search warrant. 79 00:04:57,847 --> 00:05:01,010 I need you to tell me if you think it sounds okay." 80 00:05:01,350 --> 00:05:05,377 And hejust summarized the evidence and it was huge. 81 00:05:05,554 --> 00:05:07,920 Okay, yeah, go ahead, get the search warrant, you're fine. 82 00:05:08,057 --> 00:05:10,890 And he said, "You know who it is? 83 00:05:11,027 --> 00:05:12,517 It's OJ Simpson." 84 00:05:13,529 --> 00:05:14,962 OJ Simpson? 85 00:05:15,765 --> 00:05:16,857 Um... 86 00:05:17,733 --> 00:05:18,995 I was never into sports, 87 00:05:19,368 --> 00:05:21,734 so I didn't even know what game he played. 88 00:05:23,606 --> 00:05:25,836 I thought he was a has-been. 89 00:05:27,043 --> 00:05:29,307 Monday afternoon came around, 90 00:05:29,478 --> 00:05:33,539 Simpson came back from Chicago and they handcuff him. 91 00:05:36,118 --> 00:05:40,054 It was quite surprising. 92 00:05:40,756 --> 00:05:45,318 Your ex-husband's always a suspect in a case. 93 00:05:45,528 --> 00:05:49,794 Okay, wow. (laughing) Here we go. 94 00:05:50,633 --> 00:05:53,830 (ominous music) 95 00:06:12,121 --> 00:06:15,488 He said he's gonna talk to us, which is really strange. 96 00:06:19,728 --> 00:06:24,131 You have one opportunity forever 97 00:06:24,500 --> 00:06:26,934 to talk to this guy, forever. 98 00:06:37,546 --> 00:06:40,379 He's thinking he can control a couple of cops. 99 00:06:40,583 --> 00:06:44,019 Especially these guys 'cause, you know, they're pretty nice. 100 00:07:01,637 --> 00:07:05,073 What Vannatter and Lang failed to do was 101 00:07:05,207 --> 00:07:07,141 simply to pin him down on what 102 00:07:07,510 --> 00:07:10,035 he did on the day of the murder. 103 00:07:15,951 --> 00:07:20,183 OJ just rambled and created an interview 104 00:07:20,556 --> 00:07:24,117 transcript that was useless to the prosecution. 105 00:07:37,863 --> 00:07:38,727 What do you mean, you were running 106 00:07:38,897 --> 00:07:40,057 around doing what you do? 107 00:07:40,265 --> 00:07:41,289 What do you mean? 108 00:07:41,633 --> 00:07:43,897 What do you mean you cut yourself in Chicago 109 00:07:44,102 --> 00:07:45,694 but the blood got on the Bronco before you left. 110 00:07:45,871 --> 00:07:46,929 What do you mean? 111 00:07:47,139 --> 00:07:49,300 There's a million things that they just let go. 112 00:07:49,675 --> 00:07:51,643 Yeah, uh huh, yeah, uh huh. 113 00:07:51,810 --> 00:07:53,209 Oh my God. 114 00:07:54,046 --> 00:07:57,140 What I wanted was his blood, photographs 115 00:07:57,316 --> 00:07:59,181 taken of the bleeding finger, I wanted his 116 00:07:59,351 --> 00:08:02,343 fingerprints now that we've got his cooperation. 117 00:08:13,842 --> 00:08:15,070 We get the blood, we get all these things 118 00:08:15,277 --> 00:08:17,746 we want which are going to be evidence. 119 00:08:17,881 --> 00:08:19,849 And then, ya know, he's released. 120 00:08:20,016 --> 00:08:20,675 What? 121 00:08:20,850 --> 00:08:23,511 Why would you do that? 122 00:08:24,753 --> 00:08:29,123 If he was any other guy, would you have let him go? 123 00:08:30,826 --> 00:08:32,225 And they said, "where can he go? 124 00:08:32,628 --> 00:08:33,686 After all, what can he do?" 125 00:08:33,895 --> 00:08:36,832 I mean, everybody recognizes him. 126 00:08:36,832 --> 00:08:37,092 I mean, everybody recognizes him. 127 00:08:37,265 --> 00:08:40,030 (orchestral music) 128 00:09:10,666 --> 00:09:12,133 When I went over to Rockingham, 129 00:09:12,301 --> 00:09:14,929 he had like three TV's 130 00:09:15,104 --> 00:09:16,594 and each and every one of them, 131 00:09:16,805 --> 00:09:19,137 he had a different channel on. 132 00:09:27,783 --> 00:09:29,842 Suspect, what are you talking about? 133 00:09:30,019 --> 00:09:31,850 Is he crazy? 134 00:09:32,221 --> 00:09:36,282 And I said, "OJ, what happened to your finger?" 135 00:09:36,659 --> 00:09:40,857 And he says, "I cut it on a glass in Chicago." 136 00:09:41,030 --> 00:09:44,090 And I went oh, okay. 137 00:09:44,867 --> 00:09:48,701 Somebody else sat down and asked him the same question 138 00:09:48,871 --> 00:09:52,136 and he said, "I was chipping golf balls." 139 00:09:52,308 --> 00:09:56,904 And I went, uh-hmm, later on that evening, 140 00:09:57,146 --> 00:10:00,138 same question came out, "Oh man, I was getting 141 00:10:00,316 --> 00:10:04,252 the cell phone out of the Bronco, cut myself." 142 00:10:04,620 --> 00:10:05,985 I was like, wow. 143 00:10:07,990 --> 00:10:12,723 I tried to leave there and OJ goes, "Shipp, hold on." 144 00:10:13,796 --> 00:10:14,785 And he says, "They asked me to take 145 00:10:14,963 --> 00:10:17,227 a lie detector test. 146 00:10:17,399 --> 00:10:19,026 I told them no." 147 00:10:19,234 --> 00:10:21,259 I said, "what do you mean, you told them no?" 148 00:10:21,637 --> 00:10:23,298 And he says, you know, jokingly, he says 149 00:10:23,639 --> 00:10:25,607 "well, you know to be truthful, Shipp, 150 00:10:25,774 --> 00:10:27,605 I have had dreams of killing her." 151 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:33,077 I wanted to leave. 152 00:10:33,215 --> 00:10:35,183 I said, "I'm outta here." 153 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:44,639 Here, at OJ Simpson's home, 154 00:10:44,842 --> 00:10:46,810 in the fashionable suburb of Brentwood, 155 00:10:46,977 --> 00:10:49,741 the world media has settled in to the siege. 156 00:10:49,913 --> 00:10:50,937 Against the public backdrop, 157 00:10:51,115 --> 00:10:53,276 police are quietly, methodically reconstructing 158 00:10:53,684 --> 00:10:56,653 the events of last Sunday evening to answerthe question: 159 00:10:56,787 --> 00:11:01,315 Could this American sports hero, possibly, be a murderer? 160 00:11:15,148 --> 00:11:18,117 (deep bass music) 161 00:12:34,353 --> 00:12:36,787 (jet engines) 162 00:12:47,790 --> 00:12:50,884 At the time that this murder took place, 163 00:12:51,060 --> 00:12:56,362 OJ was at home, awaiting a limousine 164 00:12:56,532 --> 00:12:57,897 to take him to the airport 165 00:12:58,067 --> 00:13:01,400 for a promotional event in Chicago. 166 00:13:01,717 --> 00:13:03,446 OJ Simpson has described 167 00:13:03,578 --> 00:13:04,704 him as his quarterback. 168 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:07,440 He is defense attorney Robert Shapiro. 169 00:13:07,582 --> 00:13:09,072 I agree with that assessment. 170 00:13:09,451 --> 00:13:11,646 (upbeat music) 171 00:13:14,823 --> 00:13:16,757 He was known as the fixer. 172 00:13:16,958 --> 00:13:18,983 He was a Hollywood lawyer. 173 00:13:21,029 --> 00:13:25,125 He was not know as a "trial dogg" with two G's. 174 00:13:26,568 --> 00:13:30,732 You hired Bob Shapiro to cut a deal. 175 00:13:31,506 --> 00:13:34,134 Bob had never tried a murder case. 176 00:13:34,509 --> 00:13:35,533 And so when he called me in June 177 00:13:35,710 --> 00:13:38,907 and said, "I need some help in the OJ case." 178 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:40,775 I was more than ready. 179 00:13:42,517 --> 00:13:43,609 Well, I worked for Bob Shapiro 180 00:13:43,785 --> 00:13:46,151 on some of his other cases 181 00:13:46,521 --> 00:13:47,613 and I was pretty successful. 182 00:13:47,789 --> 00:13:52,658 So they recruited me as the defense investigator. 183 00:13:55,747 --> 00:13:57,044 OJ was putting together his team. 184 00:13:57,215 --> 00:13:58,273 They sent a guy over to me. 185 00:13:58,450 --> 00:14:00,543 "Hey man, we're putting togetherthis thing." 186 00:14:00,719 --> 00:14:03,517 "We're going to need you, OJ needs you." 187 00:14:03,655 --> 00:14:07,716 And I said, "I'm not on board." 188 00:14:09,528 --> 00:14:11,826 And I'll never forget that investigator's look on his face. 189 00:14:12,230 --> 00:14:13,492 He said, "what?" 190 00:14:13,665 --> 00:14:18,329 I said, "OJ killed her, I'm not on board." 191 00:14:20,172 --> 00:14:22,572 (piano music) 192 00:14:26,856 --> 00:14:29,552 I gotta say, I had a lot of fun with her. 193 00:14:29,725 --> 00:14:31,352 At times, I felt like a big brother to her 'cause 194 00:14:31,494 --> 00:14:33,621 I'd come overthere and she'd share things with me. 195 00:14:33,763 --> 00:14:35,060 And I kinda felt special that she thought 196 00:14:35,398 --> 00:14:38,424 enough of me to tell me her problems. 197 00:14:38,601 --> 00:14:40,501 She's a great human being. 198 00:14:40,670 --> 00:14:41,762 Thank you. 199 00:14:41,971 --> 00:14:44,030 (applause) 200 00:14:46,008 --> 00:14:48,033 I remember early in... 201 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:53,672 in the years that her and OJ was dating, 202 00:14:53,816 --> 00:14:55,044 we were all down in the Caribbean. 203 00:14:55,418 --> 00:14:56,976 OJ was working on a film, 204 00:14:57,153 --> 00:15:01,385 and if a lot of don't know, I'm gonna let you know now, 205 00:15:01,557 --> 00:15:03,616 blacks can not swim, we can't float. 206 00:15:03,793 --> 00:15:05,988 (laughter) 207 00:15:06,195 --> 00:15:07,492 Justin can. 208 00:15:07,663 --> 00:15:11,099 Well, thank God, well he got that from his mom. 209 00:15:11,434 --> 00:15:13,095 So, we're out in the saltwater, right? 210 00:15:13,436 --> 00:15:16,132 And Nicole is out there looking like, you know, 211 00:15:16,506 --> 00:15:18,838 she was made to swim, she's backstroking and 212 00:15:19,008 --> 00:15:20,805 she's doing all these things. 213 00:15:20,977 --> 00:15:22,968 So, here's OJ and I, we're standing 214 00:15:23,146 --> 00:15:25,114 on the shore and she's waving us in. 215 00:15:25,481 --> 00:15:26,470 (laughter) 216 00:15:26,649 --> 00:15:29,140 Now, this is saltwater, in the Caribbean. 217 00:15:29,519 --> 00:15:30,952 Everything down there floats. 218 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:32,985 OJ and I got out there and we tried to float, 219 00:15:33,156 --> 00:15:36,922 and she thought that's the funniest thing 220 00:15:37,126 --> 00:15:38,457 she'd ever seen in her life. 221 00:15:38,628 --> 00:15:39,890 She could not believe it. 222 00:15:40,062 --> 00:15:41,825 And one of the things about Nicole, 223 00:15:41,998 --> 00:15:44,933 which all of you will agree, was Nicole's laugh. 224 00:15:45,101 --> 00:15:46,966 Once that woman laughed, 225 00:15:47,136 --> 00:15:48,660 she was, uh... 226 00:15:48,838 --> 00:15:52,535 She brought out a lot of goodness in you. 227 00:15:52,708 --> 00:15:54,198 Nicole was very, very special to me. 228 00:15:54,544 --> 00:15:55,943 That was my buddy. 229 00:15:56,112 --> 00:15:57,943 And, um... 230 00:15:59,782 --> 00:16:03,548 And I know, Sydney and Justin, 231 00:16:04,820 --> 00:16:07,516 you've been blessed because a lot 232 00:16:07,757 --> 00:16:10,191 of her character and the goodness about her. 233 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:12,460 You're not going to notice it now, 234 00:16:12,662 --> 00:16:14,721 but you're going to notice it as you get older 235 00:16:14,864 --> 00:16:18,732 cause she's laid a great foundation for you two. 236 00:16:20,803 --> 00:16:22,703 I love you, Nicole, and I love you too, Jason. 237 00:16:22,872 --> 00:16:24,635 I mean Justin and Sydney 238 00:16:24,774 --> 00:16:28,175 and I'll always will be there foryou. 239 00:16:28,544 --> 00:16:30,478 (applause) 240 00:16:37,167 --> 00:16:38,828 OJ Simpson may soon face legal action. 241 00:16:39,203 --> 00:16:41,103 The Associated Press says a homicide detective 242 00:16:41,271 --> 00:16:44,729 has told them Simpson's arrest is imminent. 243 00:16:46,643 --> 00:16:47,735 It is not only OJ Simpson's life 244 00:16:47,911 --> 00:16:49,742 that is coming under the media microscope. 245 00:16:49,913 --> 00:16:51,881 Reporters are looking, too, at Ronald Goldman, 246 00:16:52,282 --> 00:16:55,308 the aspiring model, who was killed with Nicole Simpson. 247 00:16:55,485 --> 00:16:57,749 His family said he was nothing more than a friend. 248 00:16:57,921 --> 00:17:01,254 He was a special human being 249 00:17:02,459 --> 00:17:05,393 that didn't deserve what's happened. 250 00:17:07,730 --> 00:17:10,564 He was gonna open a restaurant. 251 00:17:12,469 --> 00:17:17,600 After Ron was murdered, we went to his apartment. 252 00:17:18,307 --> 00:17:20,868 He had a floor plan, he had a menu, 253 00:17:21,245 --> 00:17:22,803 he had names of people whose art 254 00:17:23,180 --> 00:17:25,273 he was gonna hang on the wall. 255 00:17:25,482 --> 00:17:27,712 He had everything worked out. 256 00:17:27,885 --> 00:17:29,614 Obviously, this is your older brother. 257 00:17:29,786 --> 00:17:31,310 We don't get to spend very much time together, 258 00:17:31,488 --> 00:17:33,217 so I'm very glad that I was able to be here. 259 00:17:33,423 --> 00:17:37,189 So I love you very much and I'll see you soon. 260 00:17:38,762 --> 00:17:40,855 That was all taken away. 261 00:17:50,926 --> 00:17:54,760 My sister's body was gonna be behind closed doors. 262 00:17:54,930 --> 00:17:58,229 I said to my friend, "I can't go in there." 263 00:18:00,002 --> 00:18:01,299 And as I'm having this conversation 264 00:18:01,671 --> 00:18:04,071 with them I'm hearing screams. 265 00:18:07,009 --> 00:18:10,103 Looking at her I can remember a black 266 00:18:10,279 --> 00:18:13,771 dress up to her neck because 267 00:18:15,184 --> 00:18:18,847 what I had heard is that her head was 268 00:18:19,021 --> 00:18:20,818 almost cut off all the way. 269 00:18:20,990 --> 00:18:24,653 Which even shocked me more and more. 270 00:18:24,794 --> 00:18:26,694 I mean that was just like... 271 00:18:27,897 --> 00:18:33,164 and seeing her there, lying there in a coffin. 272 00:18:33,402 --> 00:18:37,065 I mean, it really, I mean, 273 00:18:37,340 --> 00:18:40,036 I don't know, it's just terrible. 274 00:18:45,430 --> 00:18:46,988 He came to the wake. 275 00:18:48,559 --> 00:18:51,619 It was just unbelievable. 276 00:18:53,185 --> 00:18:57,121 We were all kind of in shock that he came there. 277 00:18:58,815 --> 00:19:02,911 Judy asked him directly, "Did you kill my daughter?" 278 00:19:03,099 --> 00:19:06,796 "No, no. I loved her too much." 279 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:12,790 He was, like, on Xanax or something. 280 00:19:12,995 --> 00:19:15,828 He was just sedated. 281 00:19:17,166 --> 00:19:19,135 I leaned over to him and said, 282 00:19:19,536 --> 00:19:21,969 "we're going to get through this." 283 00:19:22,939 --> 00:19:25,499 I had no idea what was going on. 284 00:19:32,439 --> 00:19:35,306 (orchestral music) 285 00:19:53,998 --> 00:19:55,090 Action News has learned that Simpson's 286 00:19:55,266 --> 00:19:57,894 attorney is working on a deal with police 287 00:19:58,069 --> 00:19:59,866 for Simpson's surrender to avoid what the 288 00:20:00,038 --> 00:20:03,841 lawyer calls, and we quote, "a media circus." 289 00:20:04,175 --> 00:20:06,939 (orchestral music) 290 00:20:23,061 --> 00:20:24,153 Shapiro was going to surrender 291 00:20:24,295 --> 00:20:27,196 him to the detectives in the morning. 292 00:20:34,405 --> 00:20:35,633 We're standing outside Parker Center 293 00:20:36,007 --> 00:20:38,498 waiting for OJ to turn himself in. 294 00:20:40,411 --> 00:20:43,938 Every time a car would pass by, is that OJ? 295 00:20:46,684 --> 00:20:48,515 I think it was 11:00. 296 00:20:49,687 --> 00:20:52,383 Oh, no, he doesn't show up. 297 00:20:53,524 --> 00:20:57,358 I think I'd already scheduled a press conference. 298 00:20:57,495 --> 00:20:59,463 And it's like, oh, no. 299 00:21:00,198 --> 00:21:04,066 We potentially could look like a bunch of clowns here. 300 00:21:08,039 --> 00:21:11,531 I did not know about the arrangements for his surrender. 301 00:21:11,943 --> 00:21:12,602 I went with the assumption that they 302 00:21:12,977 --> 00:21:14,604 would announce that he had been arrested. 303 00:21:14,979 --> 00:21:17,607 Gascon's coming up. 304 00:21:17,982 --> 00:21:18,607 Looking out at the auditorium, 305 00:21:18,983 --> 00:21:21,178 not only are all the seats taken, 306 00:21:21,352 --> 00:21:22,478 but all the aisles arejammed, 307 00:21:22,654 --> 00:21:25,214 the front is jammed, the back wall is jammed. 308 00:21:25,423 --> 00:21:28,017 He's on the stage. 309 00:21:28,192 --> 00:21:28,988 And I was the one who was gonna 310 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:31,424 have to stand out there naked. 311 00:21:35,366 --> 00:21:38,301 This morning detectives from the Los Angeles 312 00:21:38,436 --> 00:21:42,202 Police Department sought and obtained a warrant 313 00:21:42,340 --> 00:21:45,571 forthe arrest of OJ Simpson, charging him 314 00:21:45,743 --> 00:21:48,303 with the murders of Nicole Brown Simpson 315 00:21:48,479 --> 00:21:50,709 and Ronald Lyle Goldman. 316 00:21:52,183 --> 00:21:57,246 Mr. Simpson, in agreement with his attorney, 317 00:21:58,489 --> 00:22:00,719 was scheduled to surrender this morning, 318 00:22:01,059 --> 00:22:03,118 to the Los Angeles Police Department. 319 00:22:03,294 --> 00:22:05,626 Initially, that was 11:00. 320 00:22:07,098 --> 00:22:09,498 It then became 11:45. 321 00:22:10,535 --> 00:22:13,663 Mr. Simpson has not appeared. 322 00:22:18,009 --> 00:22:20,637 The Los Angeles Police Department, right now, 323 00:22:21,012 --> 00:22:24,470 is actively searching for Mr. Simpson. 324 00:22:27,518 --> 00:22:29,008 The gasp that went through the room, 325 00:22:29,187 --> 00:22:30,381 I think it's right at that moment, 326 00:22:30,555 --> 00:22:33,149 that I realized, oh boy, this is big. 327 00:22:33,324 --> 00:22:36,225 We will continue our pursuit of Mr. Simpson 328 00:22:36,394 --> 00:22:39,591 and hope to have him in custody soon. 329 00:22:41,265 --> 00:22:42,732 He's gone. 330 00:22:43,067 --> 00:22:43,726 I looked at Marika and said, 331 00:22:44,102 --> 00:22:46,696 "It's a helicopter story now. 332 00:22:47,071 --> 00:22:50,040 Let's find this son of a bitch." 333 00:22:50,208 --> 00:22:51,573 I can take a few questions. 334 00:22:51,743 --> 00:22:54,576 (everyone speaks at once) 335 00:22:54,746 --> 00:22:56,008 I'd known Gascon for a long time 336 00:22:56,180 --> 00:22:59,411 and he's a fairly easy going guy normally. 337 00:22:59,550 --> 00:23:00,608 You're gonna have to hold it down. 338 00:23:00,785 --> 00:23:02,616 One at a time or won't be able to hearyou. 339 00:23:02,787 --> 00:23:05,347 Then a sense of humor to add a light touch. 340 00:23:05,523 --> 00:23:07,616 You asked a question, would you like for me to answer? 341 00:23:07,792 --> 00:23:10,420 He got pretty tightly wound that day. 342 00:23:10,595 --> 00:23:12,722 I doubt that there's anyone around this country 343 00:23:13,097 --> 00:23:14,325 that's been monitoring television, radio, 344 00:23:14,499 --> 00:23:16,763 or newspapers, that doesn't know at this point 345 00:23:17,135 --> 00:23:20,195 that something's going on in this case. 346 00:23:22,173 --> 00:23:27,304 If you, in any way, are assisting Mr. Simpson 347 00:23:27,478 --> 00:23:30,311 in avoiding justice, Mr. Simpson is a fugitive of 348 00:23:30,515 --> 00:23:33,075 justice right now. 349 00:23:33,484 --> 00:23:35,714 And if you assist him in any way, 350 00:23:36,087 --> 00:23:38,487 you are committing a felony. 351 00:23:39,524 --> 00:23:41,321 I was pissed off that we were in essence 352 00:23:41,492 --> 00:23:44,461 given the old Italian gesture. 353 00:23:45,596 --> 00:23:50,260 I don't recall being that upset before in the DA's office. 354 00:23:50,434 --> 00:23:52,163 I'm angry, I'm not embarrassed. 355 00:23:52,303 --> 00:23:54,362 Angry at who, beyond... 356 00:23:54,539 --> 00:23:56,564 I'm angry at OJ Simpson. 357 00:24:04,415 --> 00:24:06,747 (police radio) 358 00:24:32,310 --> 00:24:34,870 It is not an escape, he was not under arrest. 359 00:24:35,246 --> 00:24:40,479 He was under sedation in a very, very emotional state. 360 00:24:42,186 --> 00:24:46,350 He was at a residence that is secluded, 361 00:24:46,524 --> 00:24:49,652 that is very, very hard to find, 362 00:24:49,794 --> 00:24:52,388 and there was never any thought of him 363 00:24:52,563 --> 00:24:54,827 leaving that residence without us. 364 00:24:57,301 --> 00:25:01,294 This letter was written by OJ today. 365 00:25:02,607 --> 00:25:06,509 First, everyone understand, 366 00:25:06,677 --> 00:25:10,511 I had nothing to do with Nicole's murder. 367 00:25:11,782 --> 00:25:16,742 I loved her, always have, and always will. 368 00:25:16,921 --> 00:25:22,860 If we had a problem, it's because I loved her so much. 369 00:25:24,362 --> 00:25:26,853 It's 1700, 5 pm, when you have 370 00:25:27,231 --> 00:25:29,859 Kardashian reading the letter. 371 00:25:30,234 --> 00:25:35,399 I thought, wow, maybe he killed himself. 372 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:41,268 I think of my life and feel I've done most 373 00:25:41,445 --> 00:25:45,848 of the right things, so why do I end up like this? 374 00:25:47,585 --> 00:25:49,416 I can't go on. 375 00:25:50,388 --> 00:25:53,357 No matter what the outcome, 376 00:25:53,491 --> 00:25:55,584 people will look and point. 377 00:25:56,594 --> 00:25:58,255 I can't take that. 378 00:25:58,396 --> 00:26:01,957 I can't subject my children to that. 379 00:26:02,733 --> 00:26:05,327 We deal with folks who are in crisis 380 00:26:05,503 --> 00:26:10,941 and get to a very dark place and they just do it. 381 00:26:11,876 --> 00:26:13,969 Don't feel sorry for me. 382 00:26:15,246 --> 00:26:16,907 I've had a great life. 383 00:26:17,281 --> 00:26:18,873 Great friends. 384 00:26:19,250 --> 00:26:24,552 Please think of the real OJ and not this lost person. 385 00:26:28,726 --> 00:26:34,255 The note says, to me, feel sorry for me but... 386 00:26:34,865 --> 00:26:37,493 I'm the guy, you know, I'm the bad guy. 387 00:26:40,805 --> 00:26:42,500 He was, Mr. Cowlings was with him, 388 00:26:42,673 --> 00:26:46,006 he was his best friend, he was by his side 389 00:26:46,377 --> 00:26:49,505 for the last few minutes alone while we were upstairs. 390 00:26:51,749 --> 00:26:54,547 ACjust had a love for OJ. 391 00:26:56,454 --> 00:26:59,480 I remember once, in high school, 392 00:26:59,657 --> 00:27:00,646 a friend of mine had a starter 393 00:27:00,825 --> 00:27:03,623 pistol that he brought to school. 394 00:27:03,794 --> 00:27:04,886 So we said okay, let's go, 395 00:27:05,062 --> 00:27:09,260 take the gun and pull it on OJ 396 00:27:09,433 --> 00:27:11,924 and act like we're gonna shoot him. 397 00:27:12,336 --> 00:27:14,668 We were all down for it. 398 00:27:14,839 --> 00:27:19,867 So, we went out on the field where OJ and Al were 399 00:27:20,311 --> 00:27:23,371 and my friend, Ray, well, he pulled the gun out 400 00:27:23,547 --> 00:27:26,015 and everybody sorta stepped back. 401 00:27:26,384 --> 00:27:31,481 And Al Cowlings stepped in front of OJ. 402 00:27:32,556 --> 00:27:37,459 And said, "Ray, if you gonna shoot OJ, 403 00:27:37,628 --> 00:27:40,028 you gotta shoot me first." 404 00:27:43,100 --> 00:27:45,694 (police radios) 405 00:27:47,605 --> 00:27:50,574 1993 Ford Bronco. 406 00:27:53,044 --> 00:27:55,979 We're listening to the Los Angeles Police Department 407 00:27:56,347 --> 00:27:57,974 and they believe that this vehicle 408 00:27:58,349 --> 00:28:02,046 is somewhere in the vicinity of the El Toro Y. 409 00:28:03,120 --> 00:28:05,680 And I look down below and there's the El Toro Y. 410 00:28:07,425 --> 00:28:09,825 And there's a white Bronco. 411 00:28:10,661 --> 00:28:12,060 Then there's a sheriff's unit and 412 00:28:12,430 --> 00:28:14,955 there's another sheriff's unit and another sheriff's unit. 413 00:28:15,132 --> 00:28:17,362 Okay, here we are, open the door. 414 00:28:17,535 --> 00:28:21,972 We get the door open and we get our very first shot. 415 00:28:22,139 --> 00:28:24,039 And I'm back on the two way radio 416 00:28:24,408 --> 00:28:28,037 telling CBS, you gotta get us on the air, we found him. 417 00:28:29,747 --> 00:28:32,113 And with a flip of the switch, we were on with Dan Rather. 418 00:28:32,483 --> 00:28:33,609 This is Dan Rather with Connie Chung 419 00:28:33,784 --> 00:28:34,944 in Los Angeles and let's hold on a second here. 420 00:28:35,152 --> 00:28:38,121 I'm seeing on the monitor this live helicopter 421 00:28:38,456 --> 00:28:41,550 coverage of the Ford Bronco being followed by the police. 422 00:28:41,725 --> 00:28:43,852 And let's pick up some of the 423 00:28:44,028 --> 00:28:45,996 transmission from the helicopter. 424 00:28:46,130 --> 00:28:47,461 They believe he's suicidal 425 00:28:47,631 --> 00:28:49,030 and very dangerous. 426 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,130 Unfortunately at this time it does not 427 00:28:52,503 --> 00:28:55,131 appear as though the driver is slowing down 428 00:28:55,506 --> 00:28:59,840 or complying with the orders of the officers. 429 00:29:00,010 --> 00:29:03,571 We were on the air exclusively for 22 minutes. 430 00:29:03,747 --> 00:29:07,649 And this was the most conflicted I had every been. 431 00:29:07,785 --> 00:29:08,945 The gravity of the murder, I mean, 432 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:13,147 this was a double homicide and this is a tragic story. 433 00:29:13,524 --> 00:29:17,085 Very few human beings fall as far as OJ Simpson. 434 00:29:17,461 --> 00:29:20,123 I've fallen quite a bit transitioning, you know, 435 00:29:20,464 --> 00:29:23,991 you go from being like a hero pilot to some tranny, 436 00:29:24,168 --> 00:29:26,762 you know, so I've fallen somewhat myself but 437 00:29:26,971 --> 00:29:30,702 this is like an epic fall. 438 00:29:31,142 --> 00:29:33,872 And I'm weighing consequences of this with 439 00:29:34,011 --> 00:29:38,038 also the biggest news story, like, ever. 440 00:29:38,215 --> 00:29:39,147 I'm going to use a 441 00:29:39,517 --> 00:29:41,144 pair of binoculars to try to determine 442 00:29:41,519 --> 00:29:45,046 whether or not I can see Mr. Simpson. 443 00:29:45,222 --> 00:29:51,457 Fuck NBC, fuck ABC, fuck those guys. 444 00:29:51,629 --> 00:29:53,688 I hope they shoot this son of a bitch. 445 00:29:53,931 --> 00:29:57,958 And I hope they kill him before the competitors get here. 446 00:29:59,837 --> 00:30:01,134 (phone ringing) 447 00:30:01,472 --> 00:30:03,030 911, what are you reporting? 448 00:30:03,207 --> 00:30:04,834 This is AC. 449 00:30:05,042 --> 00:30:06,031 I have OJ in the car. 450 00:30:06,177 --> 00:30:07,974 Okay, where are you? 451 00:30:08,145 --> 00:30:10,079 Please, I'm coming up the 5 freeway. 452 00:30:10,214 --> 00:30:11,078 Okay. 453 00:30:11,248 --> 00:30:12,146 Right now we are okay. 454 00:30:12,516 --> 00:30:14,575 But you got to tell the police to back off. 455 00:30:14,785 --> 00:30:17,151 He's still alive, but he's got a gun to his head. 456 00:30:17,521 --> 00:30:20,046 Okay, hold on a minute, Monica. 457 00:30:20,224 --> 00:30:21,122 He just wants to see his mother. 458 00:30:21,492 --> 00:30:22,754 Let me get him to the house. 459 00:30:22,860 --> 00:30:25,852 Okay, hold on a moment. 460 00:30:27,131 --> 00:30:28,598 Okay, what's your name? 461 00:30:28,766 --> 00:30:29,755 My name is AC. 462 00:30:29,934 --> 00:30:30,958 You know who I am, God dammit. 463 00:30:31,135 --> 00:30:32,534 Okay. 464 00:30:37,933 --> 00:30:39,869 Right now, that OJ's sitting there is the passenger seat with 465 00:30:39,869 --> 00:30:42,269 a gun pointed at his own head. 466 00:30:43,727 --> 00:30:46,195 Someone turned the TV on and there he is. 467 00:30:46,328 --> 00:30:47,660 14 units of the Orange County Sheriff's 468 00:30:47,831 --> 00:30:49,628 Department and Highway Patrol 469 00:30:49,798 --> 00:30:52,165 following behind a good distance. 470 00:30:52,802 --> 00:30:57,135 Oh my God, this isn't real, this can't be real. 471 00:30:57,307 --> 00:30:58,831 We're dumbfounded. 472 00:30:59,009 --> 00:31:02,103 Law enforcement is following Simpson. 473 00:31:02,279 --> 00:31:04,873 They want him to stop. 474 00:31:05,047 --> 00:31:06,208 Red lights and sirens. 475 00:31:06,615 --> 00:31:08,015 It's not an escort. 476 00:31:09,318 --> 00:31:11,616 Why are they allowing him to continue? 477 00:31:11,787 --> 00:31:12,755 Really, the game plan is 478 00:31:12,921 --> 00:31:15,151 really being conducted by Mr. Simpson 479 00:31:15,358 --> 00:31:16,655 at this point and it's very much like 480 00:31:16,826 --> 00:31:18,691 when the president travels down a major 481 00:31:18,861 --> 00:31:21,329 thoroughfare, like a freeway. 482 00:31:21,665 --> 00:31:23,997 I was wondering, okay, maybe around 483 00:31:24,199 --> 00:31:25,827 the next curve they've got it marked 484 00:31:26,001 --> 00:31:29,130 off and they're going to force him to stop. 485 00:31:29,271 --> 00:31:33,265 It wasn't like they were going 100 miles an hour. 486 00:31:33,642 --> 00:31:37,170 But I'm not a police tactician. 487 00:31:37,347 --> 00:31:38,973 That was their call. 488 00:31:42,151 --> 00:31:45,120 I've covered so many of these things, 489 00:31:45,287 --> 00:31:48,052 this was not usual police behavior. 490 00:31:49,291 --> 00:31:51,055 If OJ Simpson were black, 491 00:31:51,227 --> 00:31:53,821 that shit wouldn't have happened. 492 00:31:55,665 --> 00:31:59,260 He'd be on the ground getting clubbed. 493 00:31:59,635 --> 00:32:02,365 But since he transcended race and color 494 00:32:02,706 --> 00:32:06,233 to the exalted status of celebrity, 495 00:32:06,375 --> 00:32:08,139 he got a motorcade. 496 00:32:09,379 --> 00:32:10,744 This is not a chase, 497 00:32:10,913 --> 00:32:13,313 this is basically an accompaniment. 498 00:32:14,317 --> 00:32:17,114 (ominous music) 499 00:32:19,021 --> 00:32:21,786 Nobody is doing anything. 500 00:32:21,958 --> 00:32:25,188 So I'm talking to Eddie Jo Fairbanks in the DA's office. 501 00:32:25,361 --> 00:32:26,192 She said, "well, I just happen to 502 00:32:26,363 --> 00:32:28,024 have his cell number, would you like it? 503 00:32:28,197 --> 00:32:29,323 (laughing) 504 00:32:29,765 --> 00:32:31,062 (phone ringing) 505 00:32:31,234 --> 00:32:32,258 You there? 506 00:32:32,668 --> 00:32:33,635 Just let me get to my house. 507 00:32:33,802 --> 00:32:34,770 Okay, we're gonna do that. 508 00:32:34,937 --> 00:32:35,995 I swear to you I'll give you, 509 00:32:36,171 --> 00:32:37,798 I'll give you me, I'll give you my whole body. 510 00:32:37,973 --> 00:32:38,803 Okay- 511 00:32:38,974 --> 00:32:40,374 I just need to get to my house. 512 00:32:40,709 --> 00:32:42,199 Okay, we're gonna do that, 513 00:32:42,379 --> 00:32:43,846 just throw the gun out the window. 514 00:32:44,012 --> 00:32:44,775 I can't do that. 515 00:32:44,947 --> 00:32:45,709 We're not gonna botheryou, 516 00:32:45,881 --> 00:32:46,644 we're gonna let you go up there. 517 00:32:46,816 --> 00:32:47,840 Just throw it out the window, 518 00:32:48,016 --> 00:32:49,279 please, you're scaring everybody. 519 00:32:49,418 --> 00:32:50,681 This is not to keep 520 00:32:50,854 --> 00:32:52,218 you guys away from me, this is for me. 521 00:32:52,389 --> 00:32:53,754 I know that, nobody's gonna hurt you. 522 00:32:53,922 --> 00:32:55,287 This is for me. 523 00:32:55,458 --> 00:32:57,084 He's trying, in my mind, 524 00:32:57,227 --> 00:32:58,387 to imply he's going to commit suicide, 525 00:32:58,761 --> 00:33:00,058 but he's not saying that. 526 00:33:00,196 --> 00:33:02,721 So, I'm playing along with that. 527 00:33:03,967 --> 00:33:06,663 (moaning) 528 00:33:06,835 --> 00:33:11,239 Hey, everybody loves you, don't do this. 529 00:33:11,441 --> 00:33:15,241 Just throw it out the window and nobody's gonna get hurt. 530 00:33:15,444 --> 00:33:17,436 You've got a guy here that's, 531 00:33:17,781 --> 00:33:18,838 I don't know where his mind is, 532 00:33:19,015 --> 00:33:21,380 I really believe he killed two people. 533 00:33:21,718 --> 00:33:24,186 But now he's got a loaded gun, and he's being chased by cops. 534 00:33:24,354 --> 00:33:25,980 Is he gonna start shooting at the cops? 535 00:33:26,188 --> 00:33:28,156 Is he gonna shoot at AC and kill... 536 00:33:28,323 --> 00:33:30,848 Is he gonna blow his own brains out? 537 00:33:31,026 --> 00:33:33,894 I do know if I can engage him in a conversation it's 538 00:33:34,097 --> 00:33:36,998 going to temporarily at least take his mind off the gun. 539 00:33:37,166 --> 00:33:39,396 I'm the only one that deserves this. 540 00:33:39,769 --> 00:33:40,861 No, you don't deserve that. 541 00:33:41,036 --> 00:33:43,369 You do not deserve to get hurt. 542 00:33:43,739 --> 00:33:44,296 Don't do this. 543 00:33:44,473 --> 00:33:45,998 All I did was love Nicole. 544 00:33:46,141 --> 00:33:47,404 All I did was love her. 545 00:33:47,811 --> 00:33:48,368 I understand. 546 00:33:48,777 --> 00:33:50,142 Love everybody, show everybody 547 00:33:50,312 --> 00:33:52,008 my whole life that I love everybody. 548 00:33:52,182 --> 00:33:54,946 We know that and everybody loves you. 549 00:33:56,318 --> 00:33:57,444 Your kids need you. 550 00:33:57,821 --> 00:33:58,947 I've already said goodbye to my kids. 551 00:33:59,121 --> 00:34:00,349 You're gonna hurt everybody. 552 00:34:00,522 --> 00:34:01,717 I'm just gonna have to see. 553 00:34:01,858 --> 00:34:02,916 No, don't 554 00:34:03,092 --> 00:34:05,060 I'm gonna go with Nicole. That's all I'm gonna do. 555 00:34:05,260 --> 00:34:06,228 That's all I'm trying to do. 556 00:34:06,395 --> 00:34:07,293 Think about everybody else, alright? 557 00:34:07,430 --> 00:34:08,397 I couldn't on the freeway. 558 00:34:08,531 --> 00:34:09,360 I couldn't do it in a field. 559 00:34:09,531 --> 00:34:10,725 I want to do it at her grave. 560 00:34:10,899 --> 00:34:12,992 I want to do it at my house. 561 00:34:13,167 --> 00:34:15,033 You gonna go to the house? 562 00:34:15,204 --> 00:34:19,265 We were told he was going to the Rockingham location. 563 00:34:19,441 --> 00:34:22,433 And that's all we were told. 564 00:34:22,810 --> 00:34:24,368 If they requested SwAT to handle something, 565 00:34:24,546 --> 00:34:27,242 that's because they can't handle it themselves. 566 00:34:27,416 --> 00:34:29,112 I was told you're going to do the talking, 567 00:34:29,283 --> 00:34:32,311 you're going to be the negotiator. 568 00:34:32,521 --> 00:34:36,116 Drive time from downtown to the west side 569 00:34:36,291 --> 00:34:39,489 was gonna take 30, 40 minutes. 570 00:34:39,828 --> 00:34:41,193 We were trying to beat him. 571 00:34:41,396 --> 00:34:43,456 They were pressuring us. He's pretty close. 572 00:34:43,799 --> 00:34:46,529 We were estimating we were about 10 minutes ahead. 573 00:34:46,902 --> 00:34:50,133 The last thing we want is for him to get there before us. 574 00:34:50,305 --> 00:34:53,535 Because now we're going to lose control. 575 00:34:55,243 --> 00:34:59,078 And we're on the freeway and all the overpasses, 576 00:34:59,248 --> 00:35:01,443 there were people already staged. 577 00:35:01,817 --> 00:35:07,016 Signs, free OJ, we love you OJ, 578 00:35:07,155 --> 00:35:09,419 what a bunch of losers. 579 00:35:11,226 --> 00:35:13,421 I think people realized, hey, 580 00:35:13,595 --> 00:35:16,496 this is gonna be passing my neighborhood. 581 00:35:16,865 --> 00:35:19,801 And they wanted to see OJ's last run. 582 00:35:20,836 --> 00:35:22,235 This was not a somber event. 583 00:35:22,437 --> 00:35:26,101 This was one of Los Angeles's largest parties. 584 00:35:28,510 --> 00:35:31,502 (orchestral music) 585 00:35:35,551 --> 00:35:38,543 This was lined with people. 586 00:35:38,921 --> 00:35:41,446 (police sirens) 587 00:35:47,229 --> 00:35:49,926 And they're running full speed down the street, 588 00:35:50,098 --> 00:35:52,430 trying to get to the location. 589 00:35:54,570 --> 00:35:58,472 We're not used to seeing those types of crowds rush in. 590 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,438 (chanting) OJ! OJ! OJ! OJ! 591 00:36:12,621 --> 00:36:14,521 District Attorney of Los Angeles, 592 00:36:14,890 --> 00:36:16,858 Mr. Gil Garcetti, will the fact that he has fled 593 00:36:17,025 --> 00:36:18,617 make things worse for him? 594 00:36:18,994 --> 00:36:21,622 Any time you have an accused who leaves, 595 00:36:22,030 --> 00:36:24,430 that and the fact, we believe, 596 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,330 shows a consciousness of guilt. 597 00:36:31,540 --> 00:36:34,373 (chanting "Free OJ") 598 00:36:40,315 --> 00:36:41,942 I think earlier in the week, 599 00:36:42,117 --> 00:36:43,448 all of us close to OJ 600 00:36:43,619 --> 00:36:47,214 didn't believe that he had been involved in this. 601 00:36:47,422 --> 00:36:49,515 And now I think there's a sense of resignation 602 00:36:49,691 --> 00:36:51,352 and has been for the last 24 hours and 603 00:36:51,526 --> 00:36:52,993 we can't believe what's happening 604 00:36:53,161 --> 00:36:55,425 and there was nothing ever, ever 605 00:36:55,597 --> 00:36:56,895 in the past that would indicate 606 00:36:57,065 --> 00:37:00,593 that OJ would be capable of doing what he's doing right now. 607 00:37:13,843 --> 00:37:15,743 Did they let you go? 608 00:37:15,911 --> 00:37:20,177 They didn't say anything, all of a sudden, they just... 609 00:37:21,417 --> 00:37:23,681 what was that? 610 00:37:25,487 --> 00:37:26,579 Yeah. 611 00:37:26,755 --> 00:37:29,519 Oh, okay, CBS is trying to get you in. 612 00:37:29,692 --> 00:37:30,784 Now, he's pulling off now, 613 00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,321 they've just pulled off a main highway. 614 00:37:33,495 --> 00:37:35,224 Judy Mullard, help us here. 615 00:37:35,397 --> 00:37:36,864 I can't tell ya, looks like 616 00:37:37,233 --> 00:37:39,463 Santa Monica Freeway, heading I can't 617 00:37:39,668 --> 00:37:40,828 tell ya yet. 618 00:37:41,804 --> 00:37:42,862 Look at all these people 619 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:44,297 - rushing up to the corner... - No, it's an exit 620 00:37:44,506 --> 00:37:45,768 This word has obviously spread 621 00:37:45,941 --> 00:37:49,172 Judy, hang on, look at all these people rushing, waving... 622 00:37:49,345 --> 00:37:51,870 (police sirens) 623 00:37:57,386 --> 00:37:59,650 There is an absolutely utterly macabre 624 00:37:59,822 --> 00:38:02,620 nature to all this. 625 00:38:04,727 --> 00:38:05,716 They've been cheering him on, 626 00:38:05,928 --> 00:38:07,486 yelling, "Go Juice go." 627 00:38:08,564 --> 00:38:09,792 Cheering him on, 628 00:38:09,965 --> 00:38:11,262 He pulled off at Sunset, 629 00:38:11,433 --> 00:38:15,460 off the 405, he's on his way back toward Brentwood. 630 00:38:18,874 --> 00:38:21,570 When I got on scene there, I walked toward the residence, 631 00:38:21,744 --> 00:38:25,612 there was family inside the residence and they were eating. 632 00:38:25,748 --> 00:38:27,375 Looked like they had like a sandwich buffet 633 00:38:27,583 --> 00:38:31,349 that they were doing and they were watching tv. 634 00:38:38,137 --> 00:38:39,435 Dining. 635 00:38:40,510 --> 00:38:42,500 I use that clinical term. 636 00:38:43,512 --> 00:38:44,707 Nutty. 637 00:38:47,750 --> 00:38:50,549 (police sirens) 638 00:38:53,689 --> 00:38:55,590 Both sides of the street 639 00:38:55,759 --> 00:38:59,320 have pedestrians, he just passed us at Barrington. 640 00:38:59,529 --> 00:39:00,621 Okay, Eric, its only now probably 641 00:39:00,797 --> 00:39:03,061 three minutes at the most I would 642 00:39:03,233 --> 00:39:07,067 say to his home in Brentwood. 643 00:39:11,886 --> 00:39:13,979 They're passing the church installed there. 644 00:39:14,156 --> 00:39:16,555 They are heading right into Brentwood now. 645 00:39:16,724 --> 00:39:18,783 He's heading to my house. 646 00:39:22,563 --> 00:39:23,552 He's making a right turn, I assume, 647 00:39:23,697 --> 00:39:25,165 that's up into Brentwood Park, 648 00:39:25,533 --> 00:39:26,898 and appears to be on the way to 649 00:39:27,067 --> 00:39:30,468 either his home or very close to his home. 650 00:39:31,805 --> 00:39:33,500 We closed the gate on Rockingham, 651 00:39:33,674 --> 00:39:35,835 we left this one open to force him through 652 00:39:36,043 --> 00:39:39,444 and make him come into where we wanted him. 653 00:39:47,902 --> 00:39:49,802 There was a sniper team in this house across the street, 654 00:39:49,938 --> 00:39:52,532 there's a sniper team on top of the roof at the residence. 655 00:39:52,740 --> 00:39:54,901 And there was one across the street. 656 00:39:55,076 --> 00:39:56,600 (police radio) Use your own discretion. 657 00:39:56,778 --> 00:39:58,609 You take him down if you have to. 658 00:40:01,282 --> 00:40:03,477 When'd you see the kids last, Juice? 659 00:40:03,651 --> 00:40:05,209 He's pulling up in my driveway. 660 00:40:05,587 --> 00:40:07,077 I know, I see you, I see you. 661 00:40:07,288 --> 00:40:09,085 Please, toss the gun. 662 00:40:09,257 --> 00:40:11,589 Juice, just toss it. 663 00:40:11,759 --> 00:40:14,557 He's pulling into his house, oh shit. 664 00:40:14,729 --> 00:40:16,162 I've never seen anything like this. 665 00:40:16,297 --> 00:40:18,094 Mr. Simpson, OJ please. 666 00:40:19,634 --> 00:40:21,158 When we're standing in the threshold there, 667 00:40:21,536 --> 00:40:23,629 to my right is a television so, 668 00:40:23,805 --> 00:40:26,933 when the Bronco pulls into the driveway 669 00:40:28,209 --> 00:40:31,872 I see Bronco, Cowlings, Simpson in the backseat 670 00:40:33,081 --> 00:40:34,241 and then I look right here and I get the 671 00:40:34,649 --> 00:40:36,947 point of view that you're seeing. 672 00:40:37,118 --> 00:40:38,210 Oh my goodness gracious. 673 00:40:38,620 --> 00:40:41,714 He's come home after all of that. 674 00:40:41,856 --> 00:40:45,087 Just as we're trying to get words out, 675 00:40:45,293 --> 00:40:47,625 a young man runs up to the driver's side of the door 676 00:40:47,762 --> 00:40:50,287 and starts hitting at AC Cowlings. 677 00:40:52,867 --> 00:40:54,198 Who is that out there? 678 00:40:54,335 --> 00:40:56,269 He's just trying to help. 679 00:40:56,638 --> 00:40:58,265 He's just trying to help, man. 680 00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:03,873 Kardashian said, "That's Jason Simpson, That's OJ's son." 681 00:41:04,712 --> 00:41:08,842 So, I told Pepabrick, I said, "Go out there and get him." 682 00:41:11,599 --> 00:41:12,861 Moved him out, 683 00:41:14,832 --> 00:41:19,064 now we get down to the business that we designed. 684 00:41:19,470 --> 00:41:22,633 At this juncture, it's very fragile. 685 00:41:22,807 --> 00:41:27,608 What exacerbates, what makes it crazy, is the noise, 686 00:41:28,713 --> 00:41:31,045 you had a helicopter seemed like about 50 feet 687 00:41:31,215 --> 00:41:35,015 off the deck, every car that was in the following 688 00:41:35,186 --> 00:41:38,155 had their red lights and sirens on. 689 00:41:39,924 --> 00:41:41,050 If you just take a snapshot, 690 00:41:41,192 --> 00:41:44,525 you'd go, this is madness, absolute madness. 691 00:41:49,133 --> 00:41:51,658 I watched that from the newsroom 692 00:41:51,836 --> 00:41:53,599 and when I saw a couple of the SwAT officers 693 00:41:53,771 --> 00:41:56,433 that I recognized run across the shot, I thought, 694 00:41:56,641 --> 00:41:59,906 oh my God, they're gonna kill him in the driveway. 695 00:42:00,077 --> 00:42:02,170 Just toss it please. 696 00:42:02,547 --> 00:42:03,445 Alright? 697 00:42:05,917 --> 00:42:08,010 Juice, just toss the gun. 698 00:42:08,219 --> 00:42:09,481 I did not want him to get out 699 00:42:09,620 --> 00:42:10,951 of the car with a gun in his hand, 700 00:42:11,155 --> 00:42:12,179 they'd have dumped him, 701 00:42:12,523 --> 00:42:14,548 they would not have had a choice. 702 00:42:16,994 --> 00:42:19,929 Juice, come on, Juice. 703 00:42:22,133 --> 00:42:24,067 They resolve most situations peacefully, 704 00:42:24,235 --> 00:42:27,568 but they are there to finish it one way or another. 705 00:42:27,772 --> 00:42:29,933 OJ, no, no OJ. 706 00:42:33,044 --> 00:42:35,137 Don't, no man, don't. 707 00:42:35,513 --> 00:42:37,140 Juice, don't do it, Juice. 708 00:42:39,817 --> 00:42:41,079 Pick it up. 709 00:42:41,285 --> 00:42:43,776 I'm thinking, okay, there are a lot 710 00:42:43,921 --> 00:42:45,946 of people that are betting on us. 711 00:42:46,123 --> 00:42:47,647 That we're going to screw this up. 712 00:42:47,825 --> 00:42:48,985 That are cynical. 713 00:42:49,193 --> 00:42:51,991 That believe that we are a 714 00:42:52,163 --> 00:42:54,154 brutal horrible organization. 715 00:42:54,298 --> 00:42:56,232 And it's just not the case. 716 00:43:00,738 --> 00:43:02,501 How do they know, that the police 717 00:43:02,687 --> 00:43:04,279 and the DA didn't make all this 718 00:43:04,642 --> 00:43:09,102 evidence up, to make him act the way that he's acting? 719 00:43:09,294 --> 00:43:10,283 We were recovering from Rodney King 720 00:43:10,648 --> 00:43:13,276 and it's so important for the people 721 00:43:13,684 --> 00:43:16,084 to see things that go the right way. 722 00:43:16,254 --> 00:43:17,278 There is so much on the news where 723 00:43:17,688 --> 00:43:19,087 things go the wrong way. 724 00:43:19,284 --> 00:43:20,148 Normally, that wouldn't be on my mind, 725 00:43:20,318 --> 00:43:22,047 but that night it was. 726 00:43:31,689 --> 00:43:33,292 Door's opening. 727 00:43:36,556 --> 00:43:38,456 That is Al Cowlings. 728 00:43:38,825 --> 00:43:40,383 He's quite, quite upset at the moment. 729 00:43:40,527 --> 00:43:41,425 Yeah. 730 00:43:41,561 --> 00:43:43,995 Quite emotional here. 731 00:43:44,197 --> 00:43:46,188 I've got to get Cowlings out. 732 00:43:46,366 --> 00:43:47,492 As much as he was trying to help, 733 00:43:47,867 --> 00:43:50,461 he was interfering in where I needed to do. 734 00:43:50,837 --> 00:43:52,202 I needed to speak directly to Mr. Simpson, 735 00:43:52,372 --> 00:43:55,239 to try and keep him from hurting himself. 736 00:43:55,408 --> 00:43:59,174 And Mr. Cowlings was trying to be a go between. 737 00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:02,541 He was very worried about his friend. 738 00:44:02,916 --> 00:44:04,543 He kept asking us, please don't hurt him, 739 00:44:04,918 --> 00:44:07,216 please don't hurt him, please. 740 00:44:07,387 --> 00:44:08,479 And he wanted to go back, 741 00:44:08,855 --> 00:44:10,186 he wanted to stay with his friend. 742 00:44:10,356 --> 00:44:13,519 And we wouldn't allow it, we can't. 743 00:44:13,860 --> 00:44:15,122 Police haven't made a move, 744 00:44:15,295 --> 00:44:18,560 we understand negotiations are still going on. 745 00:44:19,566 --> 00:44:21,124 Simpson, you can see him, 746 00:44:21,334 --> 00:44:24,599 cradling what looks like framed photos, 747 00:44:24,971 --> 00:44:28,407 but clearly he has the barrel of a weapon under his chin 748 00:44:28,575 --> 00:44:30,338 and it looks like he's just resting his 749 00:44:30,510 --> 00:44:32,603 chin on the barrel of the weapon. 750 00:44:33,012 --> 00:44:35,480 It was the look of a defeated man. 751 00:44:41,454 --> 00:44:42,614 They are, according to police scanners, 752 00:44:42,989 --> 00:44:44,889 talking to OJ on the phone, from the inside 753 00:44:45,058 --> 00:44:48,221 the house, trying to negotiate something. 754 00:44:50,096 --> 00:44:53,065 I said to him very early on, 755 00:44:53,232 --> 00:44:57,931 I don't think your children need to see another tragedy. 756 00:44:58,104 --> 00:45:00,368 And he immediately changed the subject 757 00:45:00,540 --> 00:45:03,441 right to about himself, he wouldn't even speak to that. 758 00:45:03,610 --> 00:45:06,477 I said I know where he's coming from. 759 00:45:06,646 --> 00:45:10,480 There was so much memorabilia and stuff of him everywhere, 760 00:45:12,385 --> 00:45:13,443 normally you would see other photos 761 00:45:13,620 --> 00:45:15,212 of family members or something else, 762 00:45:15,388 --> 00:45:19,484 you didn't see those things, it was all him. 763 00:45:19,659 --> 00:45:23,925 I told Mike Albanis, Mike, I can talk him into it. 764 00:45:24,097 --> 00:45:25,394 We can appeal to his ego enough 765 00:45:25,565 --> 00:45:28,363 that he's going to come out for us. 766 00:45:29,636 --> 00:45:30,625 His voice, in the beginning, was 767 00:45:30,970 --> 00:45:33,495 excited but then it calmed down. 768 00:45:33,673 --> 00:45:37,666 The more we spoke about him, the more he liked it. 769 00:45:39,646 --> 00:45:41,011 We want to show them that you're 770 00:45:41,180 --> 00:45:43,148 still the person you have been all these years. 771 00:45:43,349 --> 00:45:47,445 This great football player, this great everything. 772 00:45:47,587 --> 00:45:50,249 (dramatic music) 773 00:45:53,693 --> 00:45:55,058 He asked me to come out to the car, 774 00:45:55,228 --> 00:45:56,252 and I said, "No, you're going to show 775 00:45:56,396 --> 00:45:57,420 them yourself, you're going to showthem 776 00:45:57,597 --> 00:45:58,996 just how big and courageous you are, 777 00:45:59,165 --> 00:46:00,189 you're going to walk to me and you're 778 00:46:00,366 --> 00:46:01,492 going to leave the gun in the car, 779 00:46:01,668 --> 00:46:06,128 you're going to walk out and show everyone, right now. 780 00:46:06,305 --> 00:46:08,239 You're going to do this." 781 00:46:10,043 --> 00:46:12,705 My personal spin, I think, he wanted 782 00:46:13,046 --> 00:46:14,980 to surrender when it was dark. 783 00:46:15,148 --> 00:46:17,981 So that he wouldn't be seen. 784 00:46:18,151 --> 00:46:21,712 Night has fallen here over Brentwood. 785 00:46:22,088 --> 00:46:26,115 He had two picture frames that were cradled in his arms. 786 00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:29,651 We told him, open the door, 787 00:46:30,029 --> 00:46:31,519 put your arm out with the frame, 788 00:46:31,698 --> 00:46:34,633 and the other arm out with the framed photo, 789 00:46:35,001 --> 00:46:38,630 so it's clear to everybody, so there was no mistaking. 790 00:46:40,306 --> 00:46:44,242 Doors open, dome lights on, he's out of the vehicle. 791 00:46:44,410 --> 00:46:46,207 Kindajust hunches over, 792 00:46:48,014 --> 00:46:50,608 shuffles six, eight steps to us, 793 00:46:50,783 --> 00:46:52,614 and collapses in our arms. 794 00:46:53,720 --> 00:46:56,120 He goes, "I'm sorry, 795 00:46:56,289 --> 00:46:58,655 I was never going to hurt you guys. I'm sorry. 796 00:46:59,025 --> 00:47:01,220 I was never going to hurt you guys." 797 00:47:01,427 --> 00:47:02,485 OJ's in custody. 798 00:47:02,628 --> 00:47:04,391 We understand that OJ's in custody. 799 00:47:04,564 --> 00:47:05,758 They're calling a code four. 800 00:47:06,132 --> 00:47:07,656 All clear, all safe. 801 00:47:08,768 --> 00:47:11,601 Thank you, thank you to God. 802 00:47:11,771 --> 00:47:15,605 (reporters asking questions) 803 00:47:18,578 --> 00:47:20,170 Unbelievable, we saw an incredible 804 00:47:20,313 --> 00:47:22,543 situation that's gone on for hours. 805 00:47:22,682 --> 00:47:26,778 Incredible restraint by the Los Angeles Police Department. 806 00:47:27,820 --> 00:47:29,447 The officers kept their distance. 807 00:47:29,655 --> 00:47:31,213 They allowed the SwAT team, the pros, 808 00:47:31,390 --> 00:47:35,019 to come in, they took their positions. 809 00:47:35,208 --> 00:47:38,666 He'd asked me to stay with him throughout the process. 810 00:47:38,784 --> 00:47:41,252 I promised him I would stay with him. 811 00:47:41,467 --> 00:47:43,401 I said it's time, I gotta handcuff you now, 812 00:47:43,569 --> 00:47:44,627 you need to be handcuffed. 813 00:47:44,804 --> 00:47:46,328 I'm sorry, this is the way it works. 814 00:47:46,506 --> 00:47:48,531 (police sirens) 815 00:47:50,357 --> 00:47:54,293 As we take off, Simpson is amazed at the crowds. 816 00:47:56,429 --> 00:47:59,227 He just couldn't believe there was this many people there. 817 00:47:59,441 --> 00:48:02,239 (Free OJ, Free OJ) 818 00:48:02,288 --> 00:48:03,687 And he said, "what are all these 819 00:48:04,090 --> 00:48:05,819 niggers doing in Brentwood?" 820 00:48:06,192 --> 00:48:08,786 (crowd cheering) 821 00:48:14,367 --> 00:48:16,665 I walk outside and Shapiro's there. 822 00:48:16,836 --> 00:48:18,565 Shapiro shakes my hand, he says, 823 00:48:18,738 --> 00:48:22,606 "Thank you for not killing OJ Simpson." 824 00:48:22,742 --> 00:48:23,834 He grabbed me and went to hug me. 825 00:48:24,210 --> 00:48:26,440 I go, let's just, 826 00:48:27,113 --> 00:48:29,547 I wasn't in the mood for a hug 827 00:48:30,683 --> 00:48:33,311 and maybe I wasn't professional. 828 00:48:35,822 --> 00:48:37,255 I don't know the frickin' guy, right, 829 00:48:37,423 --> 00:48:40,324 and he wants to weep on me? 830 00:48:40,459 --> 00:48:43,087 (dramatic music) 831 00:48:43,863 --> 00:48:47,128 Well this is one nutty day. It really is. 832 00:48:47,300 --> 00:48:49,734 I said, I have seen everything in law enforcement. 833 00:48:49,902 --> 00:48:52,769 There is nothing else that can top this. 834 00:49:18,365 --> 00:49:20,959 (dramatic music) 835 00:49:29,779 --> 00:49:32,247 (piano music) 836 00:49:52,254 --> 00:49:54,154 Later today in Los Angeles, OJ Simpson 837 00:49:54,323 --> 00:49:57,121 is expected to make his first court appearance. 838 00:49:57,293 --> 00:49:59,318 OJ has been in jail, under a suicide watch, 839 00:49:59,495 --> 00:50:03,226 visited only by a psychiatrist and his lawyer. 840 00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:06,261 Please, 841 00:50:11,273 --> 00:50:12,535 Alright, people. 842 00:50:18,714 --> 00:50:20,648 Please speak up so you may be heard. 843 00:50:20,983 --> 00:50:21,506 Uh, yes. 844 00:50:23,953 --> 00:50:24,612 Pardon me, I'm sorry. 845 00:50:24,954 --> 00:50:25,648 May we start all over again? 846 00:50:26,022 --> 00:50:27,182 Yes. 847 00:50:30,593 --> 00:50:32,083 He looked a mess. 848 00:50:33,629 --> 00:50:37,326 He looked like someone who had committed murder. 849 00:50:37,466 --> 00:50:39,093 There was nothing about the old 850 00:50:39,268 --> 00:50:42,135 smiling Simpson, about him that day. 851 00:50:43,339 --> 00:50:44,601 Your charges forthis complaint 852 00:50:44,974 --> 00:50:46,236 in that you willfully and unlawfully with pronounced 853 00:50:46,375 --> 00:50:49,640 forethought murder Nicole Brown Simpson. 854 00:50:51,647 --> 00:50:54,115 In count two your charge is the crime 855 00:50:54,283 --> 00:50:56,717 of murder in violation of penal code section 187. 856 00:50:57,053 --> 00:50:58,714 That you willfully and unlawfully with pronounced 857 00:50:59,055 --> 00:51:02,456 forethought murder Ronald Lyle Goldman. 858 00:51:04,060 --> 00:51:06,722 When he initially entered the plea, 859 00:51:07,096 --> 00:51:09,030 he barely choked it out. 860 00:51:09,198 --> 00:51:10,130 Not guilty. 861 00:51:12,168 --> 00:51:13,396 Alright, then, the not guilty plea will 862 00:51:13,536 --> 00:51:15,470 be entered, the case will be set for a 863 00:51:15,604 --> 00:51:18,630 preliminary hearing within the statutory period. 864 00:51:19,008 --> 00:51:19,702 Recess. 865 00:51:21,777 --> 00:51:23,642 This case will be handled as every case is handled, 866 00:51:24,013 --> 00:51:26,174 the case will be thoroughly investigated by top 867 00:51:26,315 --> 00:51:29,409 notch investigators, we will present the prosecution 868 00:51:29,585 --> 00:51:32,611 in a thorough and professional manner. 869 00:51:33,723 --> 00:51:35,554 I amongst others, recommended her. 870 00:51:35,758 --> 00:51:38,124 I was aware of her successes in the court room. 871 00:51:38,461 --> 00:51:41,521 I knew she was a very dynamic trial lawyer. 872 00:51:41,697 --> 00:51:42,629 I want no one to forget the fact that 873 00:51:42,798 --> 00:51:44,993 Robert Barto wakes up every morning, 874 00:51:45,167 --> 00:51:49,695 and Rebecca Schaeffer lies buried in a grave in Oregon. 875 00:51:50,072 --> 00:51:52,233 Worked extraordinarily hard, 876 00:51:52,441 --> 00:51:54,568 she was very facile with trace evidence, 877 00:51:54,744 --> 00:51:56,769 hair, fiber, and the like. 878 00:51:57,747 --> 00:52:00,614 She was up to speed on DNA. 879 00:52:01,450 --> 00:52:03,748 She was one of our best trial lawyers. 880 00:52:04,153 --> 00:52:05,279 I think that with all the questions 881 00:52:05,421 --> 00:52:06,217 that we've been getting about the 882 00:52:06,355 --> 00:52:07,686 public sympathy for Mr. Simpson, 883 00:52:08,090 --> 00:52:09,148 we should not forget the fact that 884 00:52:09,291 --> 00:52:12,590 we have two victims, that were brutally slain. 885 00:52:12,795 --> 00:52:14,092 I have to say, it never mattered to me 886 00:52:14,196 --> 00:52:16,790 who the defendant was, it was a question of who did it. 887 00:52:17,133 --> 00:52:18,725 Whetherthey're famous, whetherthey're not famous. 888 00:52:19,101 --> 00:52:21,626 They all get the same treatment. 889 00:52:22,538 --> 00:52:28,477 You are looking at inmate number 4103970, OJ Simpson. 890 00:52:29,311 --> 00:52:31,711 (camera clicks) 891 00:52:35,351 --> 00:52:38,445 (cell doors shutting) 892 00:52:43,387 --> 00:52:45,014 I believed he was innocent. 893 00:52:45,188 --> 00:52:47,622 I was like everybody else, it was incomprehensible 894 00:52:48,025 --> 00:52:50,152 that my friend could do this. 895 00:52:52,729 --> 00:52:55,630 I snuck into the jail to see him and 896 00:52:55,999 --> 00:52:58,991 there's this guy that was my buddy and 897 00:53:00,971 --> 00:53:02,370 he looked emaciated, 898 00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:05,608 he was in an orange jumpsuit, 899 00:53:05,742 --> 00:53:09,542 and he was shackled to the desk in front of me. 900 00:53:12,987 --> 00:53:17,117 Then he looked at me on the other side of plexiglasses, 901 00:53:18,522 --> 00:53:19,716 close as he could be, and he said, 902 00:53:20,090 --> 00:53:23,059 "I swearto God, I didn't do this." 903 00:53:23,924 --> 00:53:24,982 I believed him. 904 00:53:26,763 --> 00:53:28,697 He asked me if I would kind of be the 905 00:53:29,099 --> 00:53:30,566 chronicler of the whole thing. 906 00:53:30,767 --> 00:53:33,998 Would I write a book about the whole thing. 907 00:53:34,137 --> 00:53:36,037 I backed away from that. 908 00:53:37,274 --> 00:53:40,732 Then, in a moment of ultimate surrealism, 909 00:53:41,078 --> 00:53:42,409 I'm sitting with OJ 910 00:53:44,014 --> 00:53:46,676 and Lyle Menendez walks behind him. 911 00:53:47,857 --> 00:53:49,757 And I just went, shit, this is more 912 00:53:49,892 --> 00:53:52,759 than my little pea brain can handle. 913 00:53:54,496 --> 00:53:57,158 (dramatic music) 914 00:54:20,589 --> 00:54:24,889 Bob, OJ Simpson is in a Los Angeles jail cell tonight. 915 00:54:25,261 --> 00:54:26,888 His attorney says he spoke to him today 916 00:54:27,263 --> 00:54:29,731 and that Simpson was in tears. 917 00:54:29,865 --> 00:54:31,389 Al Cowlings, was himself, arrested 918 00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:33,727 on a felony charge of aiding a fugitive. 919 00:54:33,903 --> 00:54:35,370 Get away from my fucking house. 920 00:54:35,571 --> 00:54:37,596 Simpson, had $10,000 in cash 921 00:54:37,740 --> 00:54:39,867 and a passport at that point. 922 00:54:40,242 --> 00:54:41,504 I love OJ 923 00:54:41,644 --> 00:54:42,770 no matter what happens. 924 00:54:42,945 --> 00:54:44,776 The murder with special circumstances, 925 00:54:44,947 --> 00:54:46,505 death penalty charges... 926 00:54:46,682 --> 00:54:49,276 The final DNAtests are positive for 927 00:54:49,451 --> 00:54:51,749 intents and purposes, OJ Simpson really 928 00:54:51,954 --> 00:54:53,785 has no option but to admit that he killed. 929 00:54:53,989 --> 00:54:54,717 The man who will lead the prosecution 930 00:54:54,924 --> 00:54:56,516 of the case, against OJ Simpson, 931 00:54:56,692 --> 00:54:58,592 is Los Angeles District Attorney, Gil Garcetti. 932 00:54:58,761 --> 00:55:00,524 You said earlier, "It's not going 933 00:55:00,696 --> 00:55:03,358 to shock me if we see OJ Simpson 934 00:55:03,532 --> 00:55:04,794 sometime down the road say okay 935 00:55:04,967 --> 00:55:07,936 I did do it but I'm not responsible." 936 00:55:08,304 --> 00:55:09,396 That certainly sounded, to me, 937 00:55:09,605 --> 00:55:10,833 like a prosecutor very comfortable with his case. 938 00:55:11,006 --> 00:55:12,564 I am comfortable with the case, 939 00:55:12,741 --> 00:55:14,333 I don't mean to speculate as to what 940 00:55:14,543 --> 00:55:15,601 the defense is going to be but I 941 00:55:15,744 --> 00:55:16,802 have been a prosecutor for 25 years 942 00:55:16,979 --> 00:55:20,210 The evidence was so overwhelming, 943 00:55:20,416 --> 00:55:22,247 there was just no doubt. 944 00:55:24,753 --> 00:55:26,311 A blood trail that led from Bundy 945 00:55:26,488 --> 00:55:28,752 all the way into his bedroom. 946 00:55:30,259 --> 00:55:31,624 I don't think I'd ever seen that much 947 00:55:31,794 --> 00:55:34,422 evidence in any single case ever. 948 00:55:36,398 --> 00:55:40,835 When you couple that with evidence of motivation, 949 00:55:41,003 --> 00:55:43,972 and that was the history of domestic violence, 950 00:55:44,340 --> 00:55:45,705 with Simpson physically and 951 00:55:45,874 --> 00:55:48,843 psychologically abusing Nicole Brown. 952 00:55:48,978 --> 00:55:50,707 This is my woman. 953 00:55:50,879 --> 00:55:51,937 This was a domestic violence case 954 00:55:52,314 --> 00:55:53,941 that culminated in murder. 955 00:55:54,316 --> 00:55:55,248 End of story. 956 00:56:08,745 --> 00:56:09,712 Both sides are going to try 957 00:56:09,912 --> 00:56:10,970 to place the publicity their way 958 00:56:11,114 --> 00:56:13,981 but because this is a major celebrity, 959 00:56:14,150 --> 00:56:15,344 probably this is the most famous 960 00:56:15,752 --> 00:56:17,913 American ever charged with murder, 961 00:56:18,054 --> 00:56:20,716 there will not business as usual. 962 00:56:22,859 --> 00:56:26,124 My former criminal law professor, Alan Dershowitz, 963 00:56:26,295 --> 00:56:30,254 was part of what would later become known as the dream team, 964 00:56:30,433 --> 00:56:32,424 OJ Simpson's lawyers. 965 00:56:32,769 --> 00:56:33,895 So, I called up Alan, and I said, 966 00:56:34,070 --> 00:56:35,731 "You know, what do you think of this case?" 967 00:56:35,905 --> 00:56:39,204 And he said, "I don't know, 968 00:56:39,375 --> 00:56:43,175 but you ought to look into this guy, this cop. 969 00:56:44,414 --> 00:56:48,180 Mark Fuhrman, there's something bad about him." 970 00:56:50,086 --> 00:56:51,713 I first met Mark during the 971 00:56:51,921 --> 00:56:54,321 execution of a second search warrant. 972 00:56:54,490 --> 00:56:57,391 I was impressed, he seemed to have an eye for detail. 973 00:56:57,794 --> 00:56:59,921 Some of his investigative moves, 974 00:57:00,062 --> 00:57:01,859 particularly going up to Rockingham, 975 00:57:01,998 --> 00:57:05,798 struck me as this is a smart detective. 976 00:57:05,968 --> 00:57:10,302 Mark Fuhrman, M-A-R-K F-U-H-R-M-A-N 977 00:57:10,473 --> 00:57:11,770 when he testified at the preliminary hearing, 978 00:57:11,941 --> 00:57:13,806 he did a really good job. 979 00:57:13,976 --> 00:57:15,307 Blood to the left of the footprint 980 00:57:15,478 --> 00:57:17,946 would indicate that the person that left 981 00:57:18,114 --> 00:57:21,015 the scene was bleeding from the left side of his body. 982 00:57:21,217 --> 00:57:23,117 And the spot on the Bronco 983 00:57:23,286 --> 00:57:25,777 could coincide with that injury. 984 00:57:27,390 --> 00:57:29,085 He was on top of his game. 985 00:57:29,225 --> 00:57:31,386 His memory of the search of 986 00:57:31,761 --> 00:57:33,353 Rockingham was the primary thing. 987 00:57:33,529 --> 00:57:36,498 And it was detailed and consistent. 988 00:57:36,899 --> 00:57:39,197 And why was it that you did not secure the residence 989 00:57:39,368 --> 00:57:43,065 for a search warrant before finding the glove. 990 00:57:44,307 --> 00:57:46,332 This is not a situation where we 991 00:57:46,542 --> 00:57:48,032 had the time to stand out in the 992 00:57:48,177 --> 00:57:51,476 street and just wait and wonder. 993 00:57:51,814 --> 00:57:53,441 We had to do something. 994 00:57:55,518 --> 00:57:59,318 I thought maybe this guy Fuhrman has done something wrong. 995 00:57:59,455 --> 00:58:01,184 Maybe, he's been sued. 996 00:58:04,861 --> 00:58:07,796 There was this dungeon-like basement 997 00:58:08,931 --> 00:58:10,922 in downtown Los Angeles with all 998 00:58:11,100 --> 00:58:13,398 the records of civil court filings. 999 00:58:13,569 --> 00:58:15,196 And I started burrowing through these 1000 00:58:15,371 --> 00:58:19,933 records looking for Mark Fuhrman as a defendant. 1001 00:58:20,076 --> 00:58:22,101 And that's not what I found. 1002 00:58:22,278 --> 00:58:26,305 I found a lawsuit where Mark Fuhrman was the plaintiff. 1003 00:58:27,850 --> 00:58:32,810 He had actually sued the Los Angeles Pension Board 1004 00:58:32,989 --> 00:58:37,926 asking to be relieved as a police officer 1005 00:58:38,094 --> 00:58:41,860 and get a pension because his mind 1006 00:58:42,031 --> 00:58:45,467 was so poisoned by hatred of black people. 1007 00:58:49,138 --> 00:58:52,505 And I thought to myself, now that's a story. 1008 00:58:57,346 --> 00:59:01,009 I show up uninvited at Robert Shapiro's office. 1009 00:59:01,183 --> 00:59:04,550 And I say, "I've been looking at Mark Fuhrman's file 1010 00:59:04,921 --> 00:59:07,355 and there's some pretty amazing stuff in there." 1011 00:59:07,557 --> 00:59:09,286 And I remember, to this day, he sort 1012 00:59:09,492 --> 00:59:10,481 of rocked back in his chair. 1013 00:59:10,860 --> 00:59:11,554 He said, "You saw that?" 1014 00:59:11,894 --> 00:59:12,826 I said, "Yeah." 1015 00:59:12,995 --> 00:59:14,428 He said, "You think that's bad, 1016 00:59:14,597 --> 00:59:17,361 we think he planted the glove." 1017 00:59:17,533 --> 00:59:20,024 (camera clicks) 1018 00:59:22,939 --> 00:59:24,236 Fuhrman, according to this article 1019 00:59:24,407 --> 00:59:27,103 had used a lot of racial epithets. 1020 00:59:28,344 --> 00:59:30,608 Having that out there, 1021 00:59:30,980 --> 00:59:32,845 really brought home the fact that we've got a 1022 00:59:33,049 --> 00:59:36,485 dynamic here we're gonna have to deal with. 1023 00:59:37,987 --> 00:59:41,514 They found a flaw in me, and then they made up a nexus, 1024 00:59:41,924 --> 00:59:44,859 a connection to the flawto the case. 1025 00:59:49,599 --> 00:59:52,397 I mean, I had a bad couple years 1026 00:59:54,537 --> 00:59:58,064 but I came out 1027 00:59:59,542 --> 01:00:01,567 better, I came out of it. 1028 01:00:05,615 --> 01:00:06,946 It is what it is. 1029 01:00:09,118 --> 01:00:11,484 That article came out at just 1030 01:00:11,654 --> 01:00:13,019 about the same time, Johnnie Cochran 1031 01:00:13,189 --> 01:00:15,555 was coming aboard the defense team. 1032 01:00:15,925 --> 01:00:17,916 And my thought at the time was, 1033 01:00:18,094 --> 01:00:20,528 here comes the race card. 1034 01:00:20,930 --> 01:00:23,330 (gospel music) 1035 01:00:29,372 --> 01:00:31,272 My name is Johnnie L. Cochran Jr. 1036 01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:33,499 I am primarily a civil rights lawyer. 1037 01:00:33,676 --> 01:00:35,007 And I represent a number of clients 1038 01:00:35,177 --> 01:00:38,476 who have had their civil rights abridged. 1039 01:00:39,649 --> 01:00:43,483 He and his firm were central players in this story 1040 01:00:43,653 --> 01:00:46,520 of the LAPD and race in Los Angeles. 1041 01:00:47,556 --> 01:00:49,183 Growing up in America, 1042 01:00:49,358 --> 01:00:51,155 any African American will tell you that, 1043 01:00:51,327 --> 01:00:53,488 we know we have to run faster, 1044 01:00:53,663 --> 01:00:56,029 jump higher, work harder, 1045 01:00:56,198 --> 01:00:57,631 to do the same that anyone else has to do. 1046 01:00:58,034 --> 01:00:59,092 (applause) 1047 01:00:59,235 --> 01:01:02,568 Johnnie Cochran was always the icon to young 1048 01:01:02,972 --> 01:01:07,170 black, brown, and oppressed people in Los Angeles 1049 01:01:07,343 --> 01:01:10,073 because Johnnie was that young 1050 01:01:10,246 --> 01:01:13,272 dashing lawyer who took on the police. 1051 01:01:14,717 --> 01:01:17,584 Johnnie Cochran made his name 1052 01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:21,679 as a public lawyer in the Deadwyler case. 1053 01:01:22,058 --> 01:01:23,685 The latest explosion of violence in watts 1054 01:01:24,060 --> 01:01:26,119 really began here 11 days ago. 1055 01:01:26,328 --> 01:01:27,693 A negro motorist driving down here 1056 01:01:28,064 --> 01:01:29,497 was rushing his wife to the hospital, 1057 01:01:29,665 --> 01:01:31,257 she was having labor pains, 1058 01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:34,130 they were stopped, stopped by a white patrolman. 1059 01:01:34,303 --> 01:01:39,002 One policeman got out and came around to my side 1060 01:01:39,175 --> 01:01:40,335 and my husband leaned over me 1061 01:01:40,509 --> 01:01:41,533 and asked him if he would 1062 01:01:41,677 --> 01:01:45,113 lead him out to the hospital to care of me. 1063 01:01:47,450 --> 01:01:51,580 And then he, he didn't say anything, and he shot him. 1064 01:01:54,223 --> 01:01:57,056 And he fell over me. 1065 01:01:58,594 --> 01:02:01,222 (dramatic music) 1066 01:02:03,699 --> 01:02:05,360 Mr. Cochran would like to know, 1067 01:02:05,534 --> 01:02:08,002 did you get inside the Deadwyler car 1068 01:02:08,170 --> 01:02:10,695 with the upper part of your body voluntarily? 1069 01:02:11,073 --> 01:02:11,562 Yes sir. 1070 01:02:12,742 --> 01:02:14,266 Mr. Cochran would like to know, 1071 01:02:14,410 --> 01:02:18,176 did you observe any weapons within the Deadwyler car? 1072 01:02:18,314 --> 01:02:19,508 No, sir, I did not. 1073 01:02:19,682 --> 01:02:21,206 Mr. Cochran wants to know, 1074 01:02:21,383 --> 01:02:22,680 that became the catchphrase because 1075 01:02:23,085 --> 01:02:26,213 the lawyer, himself, could not ask the questions. 1076 01:02:26,388 --> 01:02:29,551 He had to go through the county council. 1077 01:02:29,759 --> 01:02:31,124 Mr. Cochran would like to know, 1078 01:02:31,293 --> 01:02:32,351 if you been trained to keep your 1079 01:02:32,528 --> 01:02:33,654 weapon away from a suspect? 1080 01:02:33,829 --> 01:02:35,729 Yes, sir. 1081 01:02:36,065 --> 01:02:39,296 Johnnie was like 27, 28 years old then. 1082 01:02:39,502 --> 01:02:41,629 He was a young whippersnapper. 1083 01:02:42,805 --> 01:02:44,432 Mr. Cochran would like to know, 1084 01:02:44,607 --> 01:02:46,575 while you were at the Los Angeles police academy, 1085 01:02:46,709 --> 01:02:48,768 did they train you to put your 1086 01:02:49,145 --> 01:02:52,080 upper part of your body inside a car? 1087 01:02:53,449 --> 01:02:55,713 Not specifically that, no. 1088 01:03:03,659 --> 01:03:06,492 Because it was a televised trial, 1089 01:03:08,197 --> 01:03:09,721 he became a hero to everybody 1090 01:03:10,099 --> 01:03:12,590 in to the South Central community. 1091 01:03:15,838 --> 01:03:20,571 Few people had higher standing, deeper standing. 1092 01:03:20,743 --> 01:03:25,203 Johnnie was always that stalwart defender ofjustice, 1093 01:03:25,414 --> 01:03:28,542 fighting against the bastille. 1094 01:03:28,684 --> 01:03:29,651 Each of the defendants across the board 1095 01:03:29,819 --> 01:03:30,751 were found not guilty of the 1096 01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:33,145 assaults on the police officers. 1097 01:03:33,355 --> 01:03:35,755 Mr. Settles was beaten, the booking photos show that. 1098 01:03:36,125 --> 01:03:37,820 I want to know if they had anything to do with his death. 1099 01:03:38,227 --> 01:03:40,161 I want to know, whether or not, he hung himself 1100 01:03:40,296 --> 01:03:42,230 or whether or not he was hung. 1101 01:03:42,364 --> 01:03:43,490 The only version that you heard 1102 01:03:43,666 --> 01:03:45,395 of what transpired was what the 1103 01:03:45,568 --> 01:03:48,128 police officers told you, isn't that correct? 1104 01:03:48,270 --> 01:03:49,430 (dramatic music) 1105 01:03:49,605 --> 01:03:50,367 It's not that Johnnie was the 1106 01:03:50,539 --> 01:03:51,801 only good lawyerfor OJ Simpson 1107 01:03:52,141 --> 01:03:53,768 but I would say that he and his firm 1108 01:03:53,909 --> 01:03:57,140 were the only lawyers who would really understand 1109 01:03:57,313 --> 01:03:59,338 and argue this case in the context of 1110 01:03:59,548 --> 01:04:03,609 the LAPD's relationship to African Americans. 1111 01:04:03,752 --> 01:04:06,721 Now, did he also like a big celebrity trial, you bet. 1112 01:04:06,889 --> 01:04:08,686 Michael Jackson has maintained 1113 01:04:08,858 --> 01:04:10,792 his innocence from the beginning of this matter. 1114 01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:14,561 He still, maintains that innocence. 1115 01:04:14,730 --> 01:04:18,359 He was a big character, he was flamboyant. 1116 01:04:18,500 --> 01:04:20,365 - I love you. - Hi Johnnie. 1117 01:04:21,804 --> 01:04:23,362 We were talking about different styles of lawyering 1118 01:04:23,539 --> 01:04:24,528 and how you make a case to jury 1119 01:04:24,707 --> 01:04:25,833 and one of the things he said 1120 01:04:26,208 --> 01:04:27,539 about predominately African American juries, 1121 01:04:27,710 --> 01:04:29,575 he goes "Jimmy," which is what he used to call me, 1122 01:04:29,778 --> 01:04:30,870 he said, "Jimmy, blacks like big." 1123 01:04:31,213 --> 01:04:31,702 (laughing) 1124 01:04:31,847 --> 01:04:33,678 And he liked to be big. 1125 01:04:38,354 --> 01:04:40,788 (drums playing) 1126 01:04:48,931 --> 01:04:52,833 My daughter was in the watts parade and 1127 01:04:53,202 --> 01:04:55,932 Johnnie Cochran was the grand marshal. 1128 01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:01,903 He said, "I want to see you guys at the trial." 1129 01:05:03,445 --> 01:05:07,211 I hadn't planned to go, but since he asked me, 1130 01:05:08,851 --> 01:05:10,443 I said, well Johnnie wants me to come, and 1131 01:05:10,619 --> 01:05:12,712 he asked me to come, so I'm coming down here. 1132 01:05:12,888 --> 01:05:15,721 I'm gonna find a way to get here every day. 1133 01:05:15,891 --> 01:05:19,258 (dramatic music) 1134 01:05:19,428 --> 01:05:22,261 OJ Simpson is about to appear in a Los Angeles courtroom. 1135 01:05:22,431 --> 01:05:23,659 He's going to enter a plea, 1136 01:05:23,799 --> 01:05:25,562 a date for trial is going to be set, 1137 01:05:25,734 --> 01:05:29,898 and ajudge to oversee the trial is going to be appointed. 1138 01:05:30,272 --> 01:05:34,606 This is the time set forthe arraignment of Mr. Simpson. 1139 01:05:34,777 --> 01:05:38,304 Mr. Simpson you are charged with the crime of murder. 1140 01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:39,879 Are you ready to enter a plea at this time? 1141 01:05:40,282 --> 01:05:41,374 Yes, your honor. 1142 01:05:41,517 --> 01:05:43,678 How do you plea to counts one and two? 1143 01:05:43,852 --> 01:05:47,310 Absolutely 100% not guilty. 1144 01:05:47,456 --> 01:05:50,983 That's what I want to hear, you're not guilty. 1145 01:05:51,327 --> 01:05:52,419 He was back on his feet and ready 1146 01:05:52,594 --> 01:05:54,824 to tell the whole world that he was wrongly accused. 1147 01:05:54,997 --> 01:05:57,431 And it was just the biggest bunch of horse shit. 1148 01:05:57,599 --> 01:05:58,964 Thank you, you may be seated. 1149 01:05:59,335 --> 01:06:01,633 But he sold it. 1150 01:06:02,671 --> 01:06:03,865 I gave him a thumbs up. 1151 01:06:04,039 --> 01:06:07,668 And he looked over at me and he waved at me. 1152 01:06:07,810 --> 01:06:09,778 He was very good looking. 1153 01:06:11,046 --> 01:06:13,776 And that day he was really good looking. 1154 01:06:13,949 --> 01:06:15,712 (laughing) 1155 01:06:15,884 --> 01:06:18,409 I may not have thought he was a big celebrity but it 1156 01:06:18,554 --> 01:06:22,012 became really clear to me super fast that he was to others. 1157 01:06:22,391 --> 01:06:24,484 OJ Simpson, I really admire the guy, 1158 01:06:24,660 --> 01:06:27,458 football, and great actor. 1159 01:06:27,629 --> 01:06:29,995 OJ Simpson has been a hero of mine since college. 1160 01:06:30,332 --> 01:06:32,823 I think he's a great man and a a great hero, 1161 01:06:33,002 --> 01:06:35,402 and has touched a lot of lives. 1162 01:06:36,538 --> 01:06:38,267 I don't think he did it, 1163 01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:41,273 doesn't seem like that kind of person. 1164 01:06:41,443 --> 01:06:44,970 I'm assigning the case to Judge Lance lto. 1165 01:06:45,347 --> 01:06:47,907 Judge lto is an acceptable fashion. 1166 01:06:49,885 --> 01:06:51,853 Judge lto will be accepted forthe people as well. 1167 01:06:52,021 --> 01:06:56,424 Very well, thank you, then that is the assignment. 1168 01:06:56,592 --> 01:06:58,924 Here's the first time we'll really get to see the system. 1169 01:06:59,328 --> 01:07:00,852 To see if it really works. 1170 01:07:01,030 --> 01:07:04,466 For someone with some money, a celebrity. 1171 01:07:05,701 --> 01:07:09,467 Awell loved, respected, cherished type of man. 1172 01:07:09,665 --> 01:07:14,728 Now, let's see if justice can work for him. 1173 01:07:29,181 --> 01:07:31,672 (dramatic music) 1174 01:07:39,231 --> 01:07:41,222 There's nothing more important 1175 01:07:41,413 --> 01:07:45,406 during a jury trial, than the selection of your jury. 1176 01:07:48,473 --> 01:07:52,034 You can win or lose you case right there. 1177 01:07:53,078 --> 01:07:56,104 The issue of where to conduct the trial, 1178 01:07:56,281 --> 01:08:00,308 the Santa Monica court house, largely white jury pool. 1179 01:08:02,087 --> 01:08:05,079 Downtown LA, largely black jury pool. 1180 01:08:06,324 --> 01:08:07,655 Gil Garcetti, the DA, always said, 1181 01:08:07,793 --> 01:08:11,058 "well itjust logistically had to be downtown." 1182 01:08:11,229 --> 01:08:12,628 A lot of us thought that Gil Garcetti, 1183 01:08:12,798 --> 01:08:16,496 elected official, needed to protect 1184 01:08:16,634 --> 01:08:19,331 his reputation in the black community, 1185 01:08:19,503 --> 01:08:23,338 a big voting block, by keeping the case downtown. 1186 01:08:23,475 --> 01:08:26,137 I'm confident that we can, indeed, 1187 01:08:26,311 --> 01:08:29,803 find white, black, brown, every colorjuror 1188 01:08:30,182 --> 01:08:34,812 there is, who will, indeed, be fair and impartial. 1189 01:08:35,187 --> 01:08:38,850 I think it would have been societally better, 1190 01:08:39,190 --> 01:08:43,594 from the DA's perspective, to win a conviction downtown. 1191 01:08:43,761 --> 01:08:45,695 And to not be accused of having stacked this, 1192 01:08:45,831 --> 01:08:47,730 in such a way that whites were to 1193 01:08:47,865 --> 01:08:50,629 stand in judgement of black men. 1194 01:08:53,205 --> 01:08:54,569 If you have a juror who believes 1195 01:08:54,706 --> 01:08:58,835 police never do anything wrong, you're in tough shape. 1196 01:08:59,210 --> 01:09:01,577 Certainly, you can find most people, 1197 01:09:01,746 --> 01:09:03,838 want to believe their police officers are 1198 01:09:04,249 --> 01:09:05,339 fair and want to do theirjob and so 1199 01:09:05,482 --> 01:09:07,814 that's a given, you start with that, 1200 01:09:08,219 --> 01:09:09,312 but you've got to find that person who 1201 01:09:09,454 --> 01:09:10,853 understands that in the real world 1202 01:09:11,223 --> 01:09:13,851 that doesn't happen all the time. 1203 01:09:16,827 --> 01:09:20,286 We interviewed over 5000 people in Los Angeles 1204 01:09:20,464 --> 01:09:22,728 in preparation for the OJ Simpson trial. 1205 01:09:22,900 --> 01:09:25,870 The conclusions were that 1206 01:09:26,236 --> 01:09:28,797 just presenting the straight up evidence, 1207 01:09:29,173 --> 01:09:30,902 you weren't going to get a lot of 1208 01:09:31,275 --> 01:09:34,871 sympathetic African American females, 1209 01:09:35,246 --> 01:09:37,807 many harbored a resentment that this 1210 01:09:38,183 --> 01:09:40,447 famous athlete, this charming guy, 1211 01:09:40,584 --> 01:09:42,710 had a married a white, blonde woman 1212 01:09:42,888 --> 01:09:46,483 rather than someone from his own community. 1213 01:09:46,657 --> 01:09:50,754 But the antagonism was to her and not him. 1214 01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:53,521 OJ you look gorgeous right now. 1215 01:09:54,899 --> 01:09:57,459 How come you're so loyal to this man 1216 01:09:57,635 --> 01:10:00,331 who married a white woman? 1217 01:10:00,504 --> 01:10:04,532 And was dating her while he was married to a black woman. 1218 01:10:06,377 --> 01:10:07,867 I mean, doesn't any of this make 1219 01:10:08,246 --> 01:10:11,215 you feel a little less defensive of him. 1220 01:10:11,950 --> 01:10:14,384 Marcia Clark had this 1221 01:10:14,585 --> 01:10:17,816 faith about her ability to connect 1222 01:10:17,989 --> 01:10:20,423 with African American woman. 1223 01:10:21,826 --> 01:10:23,191 African American women had been some 1224 01:10:23,394 --> 01:10:25,329 of my bestjurors on previous cases. 1225 01:10:25,496 --> 01:10:28,260 Even when the defendant was an African American. 1226 01:10:28,399 --> 01:10:29,958 There was just a way, an easy way I had, 1227 01:10:30,334 --> 01:10:32,428 that I could talk to them. 1228 01:10:32,603 --> 01:10:33,764 Now, we will show you the other side 1229 01:10:33,972 --> 01:10:36,304 of the smiling face that you saw on the Hertz commercial. 1230 01:10:36,474 --> 01:10:38,806 We had trial simulations 1231 01:10:38,977 --> 01:10:40,671 The one you never saw on camera. 1232 01:10:40,878 --> 01:10:44,872 Marcia was not received positively. 1233 01:10:45,250 --> 01:10:48,617 Marcia Clark, every black woman, bitch. 1234 01:10:51,755 --> 01:10:52,848 When they had the mock jury, 1235 01:10:53,023 --> 01:10:54,616 the mock trial, and some of the comments 1236 01:10:54,758 --> 01:10:56,386 came back about you, about maybe being 1237 01:10:56,594 --> 01:10:57,788 really hard or tough, what did you 1238 01:10:57,962 --> 01:10:59,760 think when you heard some of that. 1239 01:10:59,897 --> 01:11:02,958 I was very surprised, the balance of them 1240 01:11:03,368 --> 01:11:05,893 said good things, so, you know, the media 1241 01:11:06,304 --> 01:11:08,329 takes one kernel and blows it up into 1242 01:11:08,505 --> 01:11:10,269 a huge bowl of popcorn. 1243 01:11:12,344 --> 01:11:13,811 Marcia tended to discount the 1244 01:11:14,012 --> 01:11:15,979 fact that black women jurors didn't 1245 01:11:16,348 --> 01:11:18,976 seem to appreciate her very much. 1246 01:11:20,751 --> 01:11:21,877 I had no illusions about what 1247 01:11:22,053 --> 01:11:24,351 I was going to be up against. 1248 01:11:24,521 --> 01:11:25,682 The odds were stacked against us 1249 01:11:25,856 --> 01:11:27,255 in terms of the African Americanjurors 1250 01:11:27,424 --> 01:11:30,257 because that's what the polls showed. 1251 01:11:30,428 --> 01:11:31,486 A California poll, released 1252 01:11:31,695 --> 01:11:33,925 today, found that only 10% of blacks, 1253 01:11:34,298 --> 01:11:35,891 who were surveyed, believed it is very 1254 01:11:36,300 --> 01:11:37,996 likely that Simpson was guilty. 1255 01:11:40,004 --> 01:11:42,997 The ideal juror would have been 1256 01:11:43,408 --> 01:11:45,842 younger, i.e. Someone not familiar 1257 01:11:46,011 --> 01:11:49,276 with Simpson at the high of his fame, 1258 01:11:49,447 --> 01:11:51,415 Asian, or probably white. 1259 01:11:53,751 --> 01:11:55,583 All we want, just give me, 1260 01:11:55,753 --> 01:12:00,417 12 fair, responsible, unbiased jurors 1261 01:12:00,591 --> 01:12:02,287 who are going to follow the law 1262 01:12:02,459 --> 01:12:04,984 and put aside their personal feelings 1263 01:12:05,330 --> 01:12:08,822 and do what the court and the law requires. 1264 01:12:16,041 --> 01:12:17,735 In Los Angeles today, thejudge and lawyers 1265 01:12:17,875 --> 01:12:19,537 in the OJ Simpson murdertrial began 1266 01:12:19,710 --> 01:12:23,078 interviewing prospective jurors face to face. 1267 01:12:29,554 --> 01:12:31,749 Just to set the scene foryou, 1268 01:12:31,922 --> 01:12:33,651 when all thejurors walk in, 1269 01:12:33,825 --> 01:12:37,352 all the attorneys are lined up like a receiving line, 1270 01:12:37,495 --> 01:12:40,055 and several times during the proceedings, 1271 01:12:40,397 --> 01:12:42,524 OJ Simpson would turn and seem to 1272 01:12:42,700 --> 01:12:43,997 make eye contact with people, 1273 01:12:44,135 --> 01:12:48,071 and occasionally smile at people in the audience. 1274 01:13:17,435 --> 01:13:19,801 The quest for impartial jurors has 1275 01:13:20,003 --> 01:13:22,996 been going on now for more than a month. 1276 01:13:28,445 --> 01:13:30,914 They called me to the chair. 1277 01:13:31,850 --> 01:13:34,944 When I sat down, I didn't even put my purse down. 1278 01:13:35,120 --> 01:13:37,417 Because I felt like it was going to be that quick. 1279 01:13:37,622 --> 01:13:39,055 They were going to say, you're excused. 1280 01:13:39,423 --> 01:13:40,118 I'm looking at the list, 1281 01:13:40,492 --> 01:13:41,857 I know what's coming up. 1282 01:13:42,025 --> 01:13:42,958 I know who's left behind me. 1283 01:13:43,127 --> 01:13:44,458 I know what I've got in the box. 1284 01:13:44,628 --> 01:13:45,721 I have to look and see, 1285 01:13:45,896 --> 01:13:47,990 am I going to do better or worse. 1286 01:13:48,166 --> 01:13:50,963 There was a process, of what I have labeled 1287 01:13:51,168 --> 01:13:52,727 as reverse Darwinism, 1288 01:13:54,438 --> 01:13:57,464 I call it the survival of the most unfitjurors. 1289 01:13:57,608 --> 01:13:58,473 Many it seems want to watch, 1290 01:13:58,643 --> 01:14:01,110 but fewer wish to serve. 1291 01:14:01,445 --> 01:14:03,573 91 of 219 people summoned for 1292 01:14:03,748 --> 01:14:05,682 Simpson jury duty, said in a questionnaire, 1293 01:14:05,883 --> 01:14:09,911 a likely 6 month trial would be too great a hardship. 1294 01:14:13,558 --> 01:14:15,822 I think it's the only way, to assure 1295 01:14:15,994 --> 01:14:21,694 that we are going to have a fair trial for both sides. 1296 01:14:22,966 --> 01:14:27,165 Jurors who were available for six months 1297 01:14:27,585 --> 01:14:33,217 skewed heavily towards a lower socio economic 1298 01:14:33,591 --> 01:14:39,587 strata of jurors and a much more diverse jury pool. 1299 01:14:39,750 --> 01:14:41,218 A lot of smartjurors who might have been 1300 01:14:41,553 --> 01:14:45,580 open to DNAscientific evidence simply went by the wayside. 1301 01:14:47,572 --> 01:14:50,973 We didn't have many of our type of juror. 1302 01:14:52,729 --> 01:14:54,197 I thought, okay, I better quit while I'm behind 1303 01:14:54,565 --> 01:14:56,761 and not get further behind because it was 1304 01:14:56,900 --> 01:14:59,870 only going to go downhill from there. 1305 01:15:01,239 --> 01:15:02,706 They said, "Your Honor we accept," 1306 01:15:02,874 --> 01:15:06,970 and at that point, I sunk in my chair. 1307 01:15:07,679 --> 01:15:09,044 I was stunned. 1308 01:15:09,213 --> 01:15:14,117 Oh my God, oh my God, and I told my daughter, 1309 01:15:14,285 --> 01:15:18,745 and she said, "Oh Mother, oh my God." 1310 01:15:21,291 --> 01:15:24,261 And my son, he said, "Oh my God, Mother." 1311 01:15:27,832 --> 01:15:29,799 And that was it. 1312 01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:34,027 In the end, we did the best we could with a bad lot. 1313 01:15:36,307 --> 01:15:39,538 We wound up with eight African American women, 1314 01:15:39,744 --> 01:15:42,211 I thought, you know it will be an uphill battle 1315 01:15:42,580 --> 01:15:44,046 but I think they'll listen. 1316 01:15:44,214 --> 01:15:46,843 Thrilled, we're thrilled. 1317 01:15:47,018 --> 01:15:49,179 We were so stunned 1318 01:15:49,586 --> 01:15:53,215 that we had such a large collection of favorable jurors. 1319 01:15:54,625 --> 01:15:58,562 75% of the actual jurors believed 1320 01:15:59,330 --> 01:16:01,764 that he could not have committed these murders 1321 01:16:01,933 --> 01:16:05,231 because he excelled at football at USC. 1322 01:16:05,603 --> 01:16:06,626 The only thing that could get you 1323 01:16:06,804 --> 01:16:07,964 through some times is that guys 1324 01:16:08,139 --> 01:16:10,300 look at each other and say, hey man, we are SC. 1325 01:16:10,674 --> 01:16:12,938 (laughing) 1326 01:16:13,110 --> 01:16:16,080 We were about to walk in to 1327 01:16:16,247 --> 01:16:18,306 the lockup from the court room. 1328 01:16:18,683 --> 01:16:21,846 OJ looked back one last time, 1329 01:16:22,020 --> 01:16:23,145 it was me, Johnnie, we were going 1330 01:16:23,320 --> 01:16:24,948 back to talk about everything 1331 01:16:25,123 --> 01:16:28,751 and OJ said, "Guys, if this jury 1332 01:16:28,939 --> 01:16:32,568 convicts me, maybe I did do it." 1333 01:16:55,378 --> 01:16:58,041 (birds chirping) 1334 01:16:59,109 --> 01:17:01,942 (orchestral music) 1335 01:17:05,601 --> 01:17:09,662 It has taken seven months to reach this point. 1336 01:17:11,907 --> 01:17:13,397 We are, and I think the client, 1337 01:17:13,542 --> 01:17:15,601 is really, really pleased, that we 1338 01:17:15,764 --> 01:17:19,757 can have someone stand up and speak to the tryers of fact. 1339 01:17:21,197 --> 01:17:23,894 Time to stop posturing. 1340 01:17:24,101 --> 01:17:25,089 Let's go to trial. 1341 01:17:25,468 --> 01:17:28,062 Have a good one everybody. 1342 01:17:28,438 --> 01:17:33,171 Five, four, three, two, one 1343 01:17:37,450 --> 01:17:41,011 Council and the audience please be seated. 1344 01:17:42,521 --> 01:17:44,648 Alright, are both sides prepared to go forward, Mr. Cochran? 1345 01:17:45,023 --> 01:17:45,615 We are, your Honor. 1346 01:17:45,992 --> 01:17:46,549 Ms. Clark? 1347 01:17:46,726 --> 01:17:47,692 Yes, we are, your Honor. 1348 01:17:48,061 --> 01:17:48,618 Alright, do the people wish 1349 01:17:48,995 --> 01:17:49,518 to make an opening statement? 1350 01:17:49,696 --> 01:17:51,357 Yes we do. 1351 01:17:51,531 --> 01:17:52,555 Alright, you may proceed. 1352 01:17:52,731 --> 01:17:54,723 Mr. Darden, thank you. 1353 01:17:56,668 --> 01:17:58,569 When we started off, 1354 01:17:58,770 --> 01:18:02,673 the prosecution had theirteam of lawyers. 1355 01:18:03,041 --> 01:18:06,272 Your HonorJudge lto, Mr. Cochran, 1356 01:18:06,446 --> 01:18:08,744 Mr. Shapiro, and Dean Allman. 1357 01:18:09,749 --> 01:18:12,081 And here's this new face at the table. 1358 01:18:12,250 --> 01:18:14,048 And to you ladies and gentlemen of the jury, 1359 01:18:14,220 --> 01:18:15,744 Good morning. 1360 01:18:16,122 --> 01:18:18,590 And I'm like, why did they bring him here? 1361 01:18:18,758 --> 01:18:19,554 And we're here today, 1362 01:18:19,726 --> 01:18:23,126 obviously, to resolve an issue, 1363 01:18:23,295 --> 01:18:24,456 to settle a question, 1364 01:18:24,597 --> 01:18:26,564 a question that has been on the minds of 1365 01:18:26,732 --> 01:18:29,725 people throughout the country these last seven months. 1366 01:18:30,103 --> 01:18:31,195 Certainly has been on the mind 1367 01:18:31,370 --> 01:18:32,598 of my people up in Richmond, California 1368 01:18:32,771 --> 01:18:34,740 and friends in Fayetteville, Georgia 1369 01:18:35,141 --> 01:18:36,004 and all across the country and 1370 01:18:36,175 --> 01:18:39,042 everybody wants to know, did OJ Simpson 1371 01:18:39,211 --> 01:18:42,375 really kill Nicole Brown and Ronald Goldman? 1372 01:18:44,617 --> 01:18:50,418 It was apparent to everyone in America, 1373 01:18:50,590 --> 01:18:52,751 why he was now on the case. 1374 01:18:54,560 --> 01:18:56,551 Well, certainly because he was black. 1375 01:18:56,696 --> 01:18:58,755 That was everybody- because he was a good lawyer. 1376 01:18:59,132 --> 01:19:00,599 He's a good lawyer, we needed to add to the team. 1377 01:19:00,767 --> 01:19:04,259 Strengthen the team up, that's the party line. 1378 01:19:05,805 --> 01:19:09,468 I thought Chris was a very good trial lawyer. 1379 01:19:09,642 --> 01:19:12,236 Any questions for Chris? 1380 01:19:12,411 --> 01:19:13,742 He was young, he was learning. 1381 01:19:14,146 --> 01:19:15,478 Come on, man, come on. 1382 01:19:15,647 --> 01:19:18,674 Look at this guy, come on, we have to drag him over. 1383 01:19:19,084 --> 01:19:20,643 But he was very good. 1384 01:19:22,155 --> 01:19:24,783 There was a little bit of cockiness. 1385 01:19:25,158 --> 01:19:28,286 But it was not an offensive cockiness. 1386 01:19:28,460 --> 01:19:29,586 I don't care what anybody says, 1387 01:19:29,762 --> 01:19:31,161 I dress much better than Johnnie Cochran. 1388 01:19:31,330 --> 01:19:32,421 (laughing) 1389 01:19:32,632 --> 01:19:34,691 Johnnie, I'm going to introduce you to my, 1390 01:19:34,833 --> 01:19:38,201 well I'm gonna show you the rack where I buy my suits. 1391 01:19:38,371 --> 01:19:39,269 He had a pretty good reputation 1392 01:19:39,472 --> 01:19:41,770 as someone who can build a case. 1393 01:19:43,441 --> 01:19:47,775 And of course, most notably, Chris was black. 1394 01:19:48,146 --> 01:19:53,676 And Marcia and I were not. 1395 01:19:56,254 --> 01:19:58,849 You hear a lot about this talk aboutjustice. 1396 01:19:59,225 --> 01:20:00,715 I guess, Dr. Martin Luther King said it best, 1397 01:20:01,126 --> 01:20:03,253 when he said that, injustice anywhere 1398 01:20:03,429 --> 01:20:05,863 is a threat to justice everywhere. 1399 01:20:06,199 --> 01:20:09,862 So, we are now, embarked upon this search forjustice. 1400 01:20:11,470 --> 01:20:14,303 I have to tell you personally, for all the cases 1401 01:20:14,473 --> 01:20:17,168 I've tried, I never felt so white. 1402 01:20:18,444 --> 01:20:20,435 It seems to me that the fact that blood 1403 01:20:20,613 --> 01:20:24,105 mysteriously appears on vital pieces of evidence 1404 01:20:24,283 --> 01:20:28,743 and it's predicted what the results will be regarding DNA, 1405 01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:32,378 when that evidence is still in the police lab, 1406 01:20:32,524 --> 01:20:36,552 is devastating evidence of something far more sinister. 1407 01:20:37,864 --> 01:20:43,268 Using the concept of a conspiracy, historically, 1408 01:20:43,436 --> 01:20:48,338 in Los Angeles will resonate with diversejurors, 1409 01:20:48,507 --> 01:20:50,805 who know about this history. 1410 01:20:52,878 --> 01:20:55,746 You had to have someone to blame. 1411 01:20:57,583 --> 01:21:00,710 Detective Mark Fuhrman, now it's very interesting, 1412 01:21:00,853 --> 01:21:03,788 that the prosecution never once 1413 01:21:03,956 --> 01:21:05,787 mentioned his name yesterday. 1414 01:21:05,958 --> 01:21:07,754 It's like they just want to hide him, 1415 01:21:07,927 --> 01:21:11,761 but they can't hide him, he's very much a part of this case. 1416 01:21:13,633 --> 01:21:17,467 Chris Darden sawthat this case 1417 01:21:17,637 --> 01:21:23,541 was becoming this weird referendum on the LAPD, 1418 01:21:25,877 --> 01:21:28,312 on the history of race in Los Angeles. 1419 01:21:29,749 --> 01:21:32,912 And Chris, he understood those issues. 1420 01:21:34,320 --> 01:21:37,915 He had worked in what was then our SID unit, 1421 01:21:38,291 --> 01:21:41,886 which investigated police abuse cases. 1422 01:21:42,929 --> 01:21:44,487 They obtained those warrants 1423 01:21:44,664 --> 01:21:47,895 simply to level and make uninhabitable those locations. 1424 01:21:48,267 --> 01:21:49,791 Any of the police officers that were 1425 01:21:49,969 --> 01:21:52,631 called to testify by us, lied on the stand, 1426 01:21:52,805 --> 01:21:55,933 it was obvious to everyone that they were lying. 1427 01:21:56,342 --> 01:22:01,939 Every black lawyer idolized Johnnie Cochran in 1994. 1428 01:22:02,981 --> 01:22:08,784 And I say, Chris Darden wanted to out-Johnnie, Johnnie. 1429 01:22:10,556 --> 01:22:12,581 He wanted to beat the man 1430 01:22:13,458 --> 01:22:17,520 on the biggest stage of his career. 1431 01:22:23,402 --> 01:22:24,767 Police detective Mark Fuhrman, 1432 01:22:24,937 --> 01:22:28,873 did he find or plant a bloody glove at Simpson's estate? 1433 01:22:29,041 --> 01:22:30,975 Judge Lance lto must soon decide 1434 01:22:31,376 --> 01:22:32,502 whetherthe jury gets to hear 1435 01:22:32,645 --> 01:22:35,910 about detective Fuhrman's checkered past. 1436 01:22:37,482 --> 01:22:40,417 We knew Fuhrman was going to be an important witness. 1437 01:22:40,553 --> 01:22:42,919 People had indicated that he had used racist language 1438 01:22:43,289 --> 01:22:46,725 in an offensive way, in a way that, I think, jurors 1439 01:22:46,926 --> 01:22:49,292 and everybody else would not like. 1440 01:22:49,461 --> 01:22:51,395 The N word, or any other racial epithet, 1441 01:22:51,563 --> 01:22:55,000 has an inflammatory effect, that is incomparable, 1442 01:22:55,368 --> 01:22:57,700 and to that specific issue, 1443 01:22:57,870 --> 01:22:59,837 Mr. Darden wishes to address the court, and 1444 01:22:59,972 --> 01:23:03,032 I think I'll conclude my comments at this time. 1445 01:23:03,409 --> 01:23:05,775 Mr. Darden, good morning. 1446 01:23:05,945 --> 01:23:08,641 Good morning, your Honor. 1447 01:23:08,781 --> 01:23:09,975 Your honor, I think the best indication 1448 01:23:10,349 --> 01:23:11,907 or evidence on just how inflammatory 1449 01:23:12,083 --> 01:23:14,746 the use of the word is, is the fact 1450 01:23:14,919 --> 01:23:17,320 that it appears that Mr. Cochran and I, 1451 01:23:17,456 --> 01:23:20,323 the only two black lead lawyers 1452 01:23:20,493 --> 01:23:22,051 on each side of the council table 1453 01:23:22,428 --> 01:23:23,952 are some how dragged into this issue, 1454 01:23:24,330 --> 01:23:26,423 to argue the issue to the court. 1455 01:23:26,599 --> 01:23:30,933 They used him to make the argument, 1456 01:23:31,103 --> 01:23:33,970 that an African American jury 1457 01:23:34,105 --> 01:23:37,836 can not listen to the utterance of that word 1458 01:23:37,977 --> 01:23:42,003 in some sort of dispassionate, objective way. 1459 01:23:42,380 --> 01:23:43,643 It blinds people. 1460 01:23:45,117 --> 01:23:46,049 It will blind thejury. 1461 01:23:46,418 --> 01:23:48,410 It will blind them to the truth. 1462 01:23:48,621 --> 01:23:51,954 They won't be able to discern what's true and what's not. 1463 01:23:52,124 --> 01:23:53,887 He hit the nail right on the head. 1464 01:23:54,025 --> 01:23:55,458 He said, if you do this, you know, 1465 01:23:55,627 --> 01:23:57,823 then that's all that this case is gonna be about. 1466 01:23:57,997 --> 01:24:01,433 All they'll think about is frame up, frame up, frame up. 1467 01:24:01,566 --> 01:24:02,659 All they do is mention the word, 1468 01:24:02,834 --> 01:24:04,996 say to Mark Fuhrman, hey did you ever 1469 01:24:05,371 --> 01:24:07,601 use that N word, and he'll say, "Yeah," and it's over. 1470 01:24:07,772 --> 01:24:10,071 He must have planted the glove. 1471 01:24:10,409 --> 01:24:13,003 I remember whispering to Johnnie, 1472 01:24:13,145 --> 01:24:14,441 is this nigger serious? 1473 01:24:14,613 --> 01:24:16,581 And I'm not saying Mark Fuhrman is a racist 1474 01:24:16,782 --> 01:24:18,079 Is this nigger crazy? 1475 01:24:18,451 --> 01:24:19,542 He was suffering from stress and 1476 01:24:19,751 --> 01:24:20,810 it has to be stressful to be a 1477 01:24:20,953 --> 01:24:22,079 police officer in the city of LA, 1478 01:24:22,455 --> 01:24:23,479 geez the stuff that is going on 1479 01:24:23,688 --> 01:24:26,919 in this city in the last five to six years. 1480 01:24:27,093 --> 01:24:28,082 Is he serious? 1481 01:24:29,627 --> 01:24:32,028 Or is hejust carrying the white man's bucket? 1482 01:24:32,397 --> 01:24:33,456 It will give them a test, and 1483 01:24:33,632 --> 01:24:35,031 the test will be, who's side are you on? 1484 01:24:35,434 --> 01:24:37,731 The side of the white prosecutors and the white policemen 1485 01:24:37,903 --> 01:24:39,666 or on the side of the black defendant and 1486 01:24:39,838 --> 01:24:43,570 his very prominent and capable black lawyer. 1487 01:24:43,742 --> 01:24:45,972 That's what it's gonna do, either you're 1488 01:24:46,145 --> 01:24:49,603 with the man or you're with the brothers. 1489 01:24:51,117 --> 01:24:52,982 I must say, and this is one of those 1490 01:24:53,152 --> 01:24:54,915 sort of bracing moments, this is why you 1491 01:24:55,086 --> 01:24:57,055 need diversity in newsrooms, by the way, 1492 01:24:57,423 --> 01:24:58,515 is that I came out of there thinking 1493 01:24:58,690 --> 01:25:00,419 that Darden made a pretty good point. 1494 01:25:00,593 --> 01:25:01,958 That it's such a shocking word, 1495 01:25:02,127 --> 01:25:05,655 that I found myself flinching at the use of it. 1496 01:25:05,831 --> 01:25:07,093 My colleague, Andrea Ford, 1497 01:25:07,466 --> 01:25:09,957 an African American women, was outraged. 1498 01:25:10,136 --> 01:25:11,865 She felt it was really insulting 1499 01:25:12,037 --> 01:25:13,971 to blacks, to African Americans, 1500 01:25:14,105 --> 01:25:15,073 to think they couldn't hearthe word 1501 01:25:15,474 --> 01:25:18,034 and give it the proper weight. 1502 01:25:18,717 --> 01:25:21,413 And I remember thinking, after talking to Andrea, 1503 01:25:21,787 --> 01:25:24,255 wow, that didn't really occurto me. 1504 01:25:24,423 --> 01:25:26,448 It is a reminder, that who we are 1505 01:25:26,792 --> 01:25:29,352 and how we're brought up does affect the way we hear things. 1506 01:25:29,728 --> 01:25:30,456 Thank you very much, Judge lto. 1507 01:25:30,829 --> 01:25:32,797 I have a funeral to attend today but 1508 01:25:32,964 --> 01:25:35,990 I would be remiss were I not at this time 1509 01:25:36,168 --> 01:25:37,328 to take this opportunity to respond 1510 01:25:37,469 --> 01:25:40,199 to my good friend, Mr. Chris Darden. 1511 01:25:40,338 --> 01:25:42,329 When Johnnie gets angry, which is very rare, 1512 01:25:42,507 --> 01:25:47,240 you know, he's remarkably articulate and good. 1513 01:25:47,412 --> 01:25:49,380 Johnnie got angry that day. 1514 01:25:49,748 --> 01:25:51,375 His remarks this morning 1515 01:25:51,750 --> 01:25:53,047 are perhaps the most incredible remarks 1516 01:25:53,218 --> 01:25:55,778 I've heard in the court of law 1517 01:25:55,954 --> 01:25:58,286 in the 32 years I've been practicing law. 1518 01:25:58,457 --> 01:26:03,360 His remarks are demeaning to African Americans as a group. 1519 01:26:04,763 --> 01:26:06,924 And so I want, before I go to this funeral, 1520 01:26:07,098 --> 01:26:10,465 to apologize to African Americans across this country. 1521 01:26:10,802 --> 01:26:13,270 African Americans live with offensive words, 1522 01:26:13,438 --> 01:26:15,736 offensive looks, offensive treatment 1523 01:26:15,907 --> 01:26:17,772 every day of their lives. 1524 01:26:18,910 --> 01:26:23,779 To say they can't be fair is absolutely outrageous. 1525 01:26:23,949 --> 01:26:25,974 I am ashamed 1526 01:26:26,151 --> 01:26:28,278 that Mr. Darden would allow himself to 1527 01:26:28,453 --> 01:26:31,081 become an apologist forthis man. 1528 01:26:32,090 --> 01:26:36,356 You can't justify that in a civilized society. 1529 01:26:36,528 --> 01:26:40,191 Nobody wants introduce race into this case, your honor. 1530 01:26:40,365 --> 01:26:41,332 Johnnie was dying to get the word 1531 01:26:41,533 --> 01:26:43,364 "nigger" in front of thejury. 1532 01:26:43,568 --> 01:26:46,230 He also did it in such a way 1533 01:26:46,438 --> 01:26:48,872 that, frankly, he made Darden look ridiculous. 1534 01:26:49,040 --> 01:26:50,507 To come here and testify as an expert to you 1535 01:26:50,842 --> 01:26:52,503 of what black people think in America. 1536 01:26:52,844 --> 01:26:55,312 All across America, today, believe me 1537 01:26:55,480 --> 01:26:58,005 black people are offended at this very moment. 1538 01:26:58,216 --> 01:27:00,844 I think that Johnnie was rough on him. 1539 01:27:01,019 --> 01:27:02,816 I think it hurt his feelings. 1540 01:27:02,954 --> 01:27:04,080 A lot of people thought that Chris 1541 01:27:04,256 --> 01:27:06,918 would end up at the Cochran firm. 1542 01:27:07,125 --> 01:27:09,923 And, obviously, that didn't happen. 1543 01:27:11,162 --> 01:27:12,823 People had contempt for him because 1544 01:27:13,031 --> 01:27:16,967 they felt like he was a tool that was being used. 1545 01:27:18,036 --> 01:27:19,469 It's a time to not to do things that 1546 01:27:19,871 --> 01:27:22,567 it seems to me will last a person's entire career 1547 01:27:22,941 --> 01:27:26,342 such as insulting a whole race of people 1548 01:27:26,545 --> 01:27:28,536 who have meant so much to this country. 1549 01:27:28,880 --> 01:27:32,509 Let's be clear about this, the subtext 1550 01:27:32,851 --> 01:27:35,046 of everything that Johnnie Cochran said 1551 01:27:35,220 --> 01:27:37,916 about Chris Darden was, Uncle Tom. 1552 01:27:39,891 --> 01:27:42,359 And it was egregiously unfair. 1553 01:27:44,396 --> 01:27:46,159 Johnnie Cochran, among otherthings, 1554 01:27:46,331 --> 01:27:49,425 tried OJ was an African American defendant. 1555 01:27:49,601 --> 01:27:52,035 When OJ Simpson didn't really have 1556 01:27:52,203 --> 01:27:56,196 much of a reputation as an African American person, really. 1557 01:27:57,509 --> 01:27:58,840 I used to walk on the wild side, 1558 01:27:59,010 --> 01:28:01,274 now I just take a brisk walk. 1559 01:28:04,042 --> 01:28:06,204 This was not a person that you thought of as a, 1560 01:28:06,377 --> 01:28:10,007 kind of, iconic black figure in Los Angeles. 1561 01:28:10,215 --> 01:28:13,946 I mean, he lived two blocks from Mayor Riordan. 1562 01:28:16,147 --> 01:28:19,048 (dramatic music) 1563 01:28:20,717 --> 01:28:23,312 We wanted the jury to see Bundy 1564 01:28:23,486 --> 01:28:24,977 but the defense said, well if we're 1565 01:28:25,155 --> 01:28:29,251 going to do that, we have to go to Rockingham. 1566 01:28:29,393 --> 01:28:30,758 They do not need to go to Rockingham 1567 01:28:30,960 --> 01:28:33,986 but if they do, show them where they found the glove. 1568 01:28:34,165 --> 01:28:37,430 That's all that arguably relevant. 1569 01:28:37,834 --> 01:28:39,734 (police radios) 1570 01:28:39,903 --> 01:28:41,928 We come to find that lto was going 1571 01:28:42,105 --> 01:28:44,370 to let them go into Rockingham. 1572 01:28:44,741 --> 01:28:45,436 He's going to march thejury 1573 01:28:45,810 --> 01:28:46,742 through the inside of the house, 1574 01:28:46,876 --> 01:28:48,811 which is relevant to what? 1575 01:28:48,979 --> 01:28:50,913 No part of the crime happened inside the house. 1576 01:28:51,081 --> 01:28:52,946 What are we doing there? 1577 01:28:57,487 --> 01:29:01,947 What we did that day is create an illusion. 1578 01:29:02,158 --> 01:29:06,458 When you would walk up the grand staircase 1579 01:29:07,164 --> 01:29:10,930 there was a large wall with pictures of the family, 1580 01:29:11,968 --> 01:29:13,333 pictures of friends, 1581 01:29:15,138 --> 01:29:17,767 pictures of OJ's career, 1582 01:29:17,941 --> 01:29:21,900 problem was the overwhelming majority of 1583 01:29:22,045 --> 01:29:27,278 pictures were of Caucasian friends and colleagues of his. 1584 01:29:31,354 --> 01:29:34,347 We had an African Americanjury 1585 01:29:34,524 --> 01:29:39,291 and we wanted to make sure that the home setting 1586 01:29:40,331 --> 01:29:44,392 would reflect the themes that we wanted to reflect. 1587 01:29:46,036 --> 01:29:47,196 We took all of his white friends down. 1588 01:29:47,371 --> 01:29:49,931 Put all of his black people up. 1589 01:29:50,106 --> 01:29:53,439 Pictures he probably had never seen before 1590 01:29:54,478 --> 01:29:56,207 because that is what we were told 1591 01:29:56,379 --> 01:29:58,472 the jury would identify with. 1592 01:29:59,916 --> 01:30:01,508 We made him blacker. 1593 01:30:02,318 --> 01:30:05,516 There was a Norman Rockwell lithograph 1594 01:30:06,957 --> 01:30:09,289 that we took from Johnnie's office 1595 01:30:11,528 --> 01:30:15,430 and we put that picture at the very top of the stairs. 1596 01:30:18,468 --> 01:30:22,496 We did not remove all of his pictures with white people. 1597 01:30:23,874 --> 01:30:25,340 The whole house would have been gone, 1598 01:30:25,508 --> 01:30:29,206 would have been dark, we didn't do that. 1599 01:30:29,379 --> 01:30:33,578 You have got to be kidding me, it's night and day. 1600 01:30:33,983 --> 01:30:35,382 This was an African American man's house. 1601 01:30:35,552 --> 01:30:39,921 Who had no associations with any white guys whatsoever. 1602 01:30:40,103 --> 01:30:43,937 Marcia saw the wall 1603 01:30:44,093 --> 01:30:47,529 and she said, "Carl, you know damn well, he has never 1604 01:30:47,897 --> 01:30:52,425 had this many black people on his wall, his entire life." 1605 01:30:52,603 --> 01:30:55,470 I said, "Marcia, what are you talking about? 1606 01:30:55,605 --> 01:30:59,564 How dare you accuse us of such things." 1607 01:30:59,943 --> 01:31:02,936 I was miserable, I was angry. 1608 01:31:03,146 --> 01:31:05,138 That is very dirty pool. 1609 01:31:05,315 --> 01:31:07,079 If we had had a Latin jury, 1610 01:31:07,250 --> 01:31:09,082 we would have had a picture of him in a sombrero, 1611 01:31:09,252 --> 01:31:13,519 there would have been a mariachi band out front, 1612 01:31:13,891 --> 01:31:17,156 we would have had a pinata at the upper staircase. 1613 01:31:17,328 --> 01:31:18,886 I objected, we went outside, 1614 01:31:19,062 --> 01:31:20,394 we convened a hearing and I said, 1615 01:31:20,563 --> 01:31:22,395 this has no relevance whatsoever. 1616 01:31:22,600 --> 01:31:23,566 They've now changed the scene. 1617 01:31:23,934 --> 01:31:25,230 It was never relevant to begin with 1618 01:31:25,401 --> 01:31:27,631 and now it's completely irrelevant. 1619 01:31:27,971 --> 01:31:29,336 You know, the defense is always 1620 01:31:29,540 --> 01:31:31,531 going to push the envelope, that's what they do. 1621 01:31:31,674 --> 01:31:35,007 It's up to the judge to stop them. 1622 01:31:35,178 --> 01:31:37,544 Ito let them get away with it. 1623 01:31:38,849 --> 01:31:41,943 (dramatic music) 1624 01:31:42,119 --> 01:31:44,383 All of a sudden he became black. 1625 01:31:44,520 --> 01:31:48,457 They threw off the cape and now he's one of them. 1626 01:31:51,562 --> 01:31:53,961 I was surprised to see the depth 1627 01:31:54,130 --> 01:31:55,461 of feeling that so many people in 1628 01:31:55,632 --> 01:31:57,156 the black community, certainly those 1629 01:31:57,333 --> 01:32:00,666 around the courthouse, had for him. 1630 01:32:01,038 --> 01:32:02,004 I feel that he is not guilty and 1631 01:32:02,138 --> 01:32:04,231 I also feel that he is being unfairly 1632 01:32:04,407 --> 01:32:06,341 treated as so have a lot of African 1633 01:32:06,542 --> 01:32:11,275 American persons who have been through thejudicial process. 1634 01:32:11,481 --> 01:32:13,643 I think that you find among black people, 1635 01:32:13,983 --> 01:32:16,475 an incredible amount of forgiveness 1636 01:32:16,620 --> 01:32:19,417 for anybody living through the pain 1637 01:32:20,958 --> 01:32:23,222 of being black in America. 1638 01:32:23,394 --> 01:32:24,690 They were not involved with OJ 1639 01:32:25,062 --> 01:32:26,552 in terms of critical thinking. 1640 01:32:26,729 --> 01:32:27,627 Why does he mean so much to you? 1641 01:32:27,998 --> 01:32:30,159 You know, I can't answer that, 1642 01:32:30,333 --> 01:32:31,129 this is just something that's 1643 01:32:31,300 --> 01:32:33,029 really struck a chord with me. 1644 01:32:33,203 --> 01:32:35,000 And I'm just compelled to be here. 1645 01:32:35,171 --> 01:32:38,607 He was a black man who was on trial that they 1646 01:32:39,008 --> 01:32:46,710 perceived that white people were trying to unfairly harm. 1647 01:32:47,083 --> 01:32:48,312 They're trying to railroad him, 1648 01:32:48,484 --> 01:32:49,542 they need to find the murderer. 1649 01:32:49,687 --> 01:32:51,621 Go out and look forthe murderer. 1650 01:32:51,754 --> 01:32:55,623 He's accused but we all know he didn't do it. 1651 01:32:55,758 --> 01:32:59,661 He was wealthy, he was powerful, he was this, he was that, 1652 01:33:00,029 --> 01:33:03,021 there is a B-U-T, but, 1653 01:33:05,635 --> 01:33:07,296 he was black. 1654 01:33:07,437 --> 01:33:08,426 So, he didn't do it? 1655 01:33:08,604 --> 01:33:09,298 No, he didn't do it. 1656 01:33:09,439 --> 01:33:10,235 How do you know? 1657 01:33:10,406 --> 01:33:11,270 I know he didn't do it. 1658 01:33:11,375 --> 01:33:12,103 How do you know? 1659 01:33:12,275 --> 01:33:13,401 I just know. 1660 01:33:13,576 --> 01:33:17,342 You may be at the top house in Beverly Hills, 1661 01:33:19,016 --> 01:33:23,510 and I may be in the basement of a place in watts 1662 01:33:27,077 --> 01:33:28,977 but we are connected. 126446

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