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- [Narrator] A murder
in a major Canadian city
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on the prairies.
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- Her property is strewn
about the area like her boot.
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Other things, like her purse
with her identification,
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is found inside a garbage can.
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(dramatic music)
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- [Narrator] Police
have no suspects
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but have previously warned
of a sexual attacker.
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- The police were aware
of the sexual attacker
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who'd been operating in
Saskatoon in the fall of 1968.
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- [Narrator] A police force
pushing for resolution.
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- Because in this case,
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people dug in so hard.
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Many are still dug in.
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- [Narrator] Lives can be ruined
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through the pursuit of
one unwavering idea.
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- It's so bad.
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When the system fails like this,
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it's just so bad.
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(suspenseful music)
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- [Narrator] And the
tragedy doesn't always end
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with the murder victim.
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(dramatic music)
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- The unsolved ones
we have to stand up.
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- And approach these cases
in a way outside the box.
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- Let the world know
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those out there that
did commit a murder,
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there are people that
are coming after you.
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- There's just a
lot of good people
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trying to do the right thing.
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(muffled radio chatter)
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- Because it's something that
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you have to be passionate about.
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- Solve this and bring some
peace to the family at least,
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I'm just doing my job.
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(gavel banging)
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(eerie music)
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- [Narrator] A Canadian
prairie city in mid-winter.
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In the early morning,
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people go about their routines,
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getting ready for
work and school,
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with no idea about the
tragedy that has occurred.
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- The morning of
January 31, 1969,
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in Saskatoon it was
minus 40 degrees.
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There was ice mist in the air,
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and what they encountered,
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school children, I believe,
on their way to school,
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found the body of Gail Miller
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(eerie ominous music)
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in a snowbank in a back lane.
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- [Narrator] The
children run home
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to tell their parents
about what they found,
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and the local police
receive a call soon after.
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The police are on the
scene in the early morning.
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They find Gail Miller with her
stockings down by her ankles
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and only wearing a single boot.
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Until she goes in
for an autopsy,
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they can only guess
whether or not
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she has been sexually assaulted.
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- Beyond looking at the
evidence on the body itself,
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such as stab wounds to the
victim's abdomen and neck,
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investigators will have
to scoured the area
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for possible evidence.
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The snowy Canadian winter
is a double-edged sword.
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Things like blood can be
easily seen against the white.
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Other evidence can easily
be concealed or missed.
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- [Narrator] These kinds
of assaults on women
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have been happening
with enough frequency
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that warnings are
issued to the public.
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- The police had published a
warning in December of 1968,
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warning women about an attacker
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who was sexually
assaulting women
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in a particular
area of Saskatoon,
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and then this happens.
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- [Narrator] Saskatoon is the
largest city in Saskatchewan,
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the province found in the
center of the Canadian prairies,
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known for its wonderful summers,
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but long, brutal winters.
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- Gail Miller was
a nurse's assistant
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who was going to school
and working in Saskatoon.
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- [Narrator] Gail shows
a passion for working
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with children from a young age.
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She is born in 1948,
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and grows up in Laura,
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a small community just
west of Saskatoon.
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When she is 12, she
begins babysitting
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for a baby that's
terminally ill.
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- By all accounts,
a wonderful person,
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and starting to lead her
life and pursue a career.
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She lived in a home
about a block away
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from where her body was found.
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She had, I think, two
or three roommates.
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- [Narrator] There
is little doubt
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a promising future had
been stolen from Gail.
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The area where Gail lives
and her body is found
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is familiar to the police,
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as it's where they've
previously warned
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of a sexual predator.
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- The police, obviously,
went to the scene.
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They canvassed the whole area.
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- [Narrator] The first officer
on the scene finds a sweater,
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that looks to be torn from Gail,
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along with her missing shoe.
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- They were able to identify
items belonging to Gail Miller.
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The contents of her
purse, identification,
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some of her clothing
it was strewn in a way
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leading away from where
she had been located.
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- Her property is strewn
about the area like her boot.
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Other things, like her purse
with her identification,
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is found inside a garbage can.
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(dramatic music)
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- When they were seizing
biological samples
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from the clothing
of the deceased,
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from the body of the deceased,
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they found some
residue in the snow
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that was supposedly semen.
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They wouldn't have the same
sort of DNA level technology,
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but they had tools at the
time, and they used them.
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- [Narrator] The police
scour the neighborhood
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for any information
they can find,
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anything that might lead
them to a possible suspect.
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- You never know
who might have seen
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or heard something when
investigating a case,
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and when a murder
happens in an alley,
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there's at least a chance
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that a passerby
witnessed something
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that could assist the police
in their investigation.
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It doesn't always lead anywhere,
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but it's a starting point.
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- [Narrator] While
the case is focused
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on Gail Miller's murder,
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there is still a sexual
predator on the loose
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and more women being assaulted.
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- People inside the
police department
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had developed what they
called a modus operandi,
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an MO for how this attacker
had attacked his victims.
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What were some characteristics
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of what did this person
do when he attacked?
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They wrote to the
RCMP to try to see
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if they had some
resources available
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that could help them
build a profile.
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- [Narrator] But even
with a profile in mind,
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they still don't have
anyone to link it to.
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Although their
identity is unknown,
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police still believe the killer
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could be linked to the
recent sexual assaults.
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(eerie music)
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With no major suspects,
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they begin offering
a $2,000 reward
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for any information
leading to the conviction
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of Gail's murderer.
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(tense music)
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After offering the reward,
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more women come forward
reporting incidents.
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The police eliminate
160 possible suspects
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and are still no closer to
finding a person of interest.
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Finally, the investigators
think they have a break
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when a man walks
in with information
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that is exactly what
they are looking for.
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A month after Gail's death,
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police are approached by a man
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named Albert Shorty Cadrain.
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Cadrain claims that his
friend, David Milgaard,
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visited him on the morning
that Gail was murdered.
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- Milgaard had driven
overnight with two friends
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from Regina to Saskatoon
to visit a friend
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who by crazy coincidence
happen to live
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about a block away from
where Gail Miller's body
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had been found.
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They were having trouble
locating the friend's home.
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They stopped at a motel.
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They help some people who
were stuck in a back lane,
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and then eventually they got
to where they wanted to go,
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and then carried on.
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They then traveled
on further west
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just having sort of
a carefree road trip
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of 16-year-old,
17-year-old kids.
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How Milgaard gets onto
the police radar screen
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is that, yes, they post
a reward, and Cadrain,
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the friend that Milgaard
had gone to visit,
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goes in and implicates Milgaard.
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And says that he had seen
blood on Milgaard's pants
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the morning of the murder,
and that changed everything.
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- [Narrator] Milgaard is accused
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of being seen with
blood on his clothes
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soon after the murder is
known to have taken place.
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If this blood belongs to Gail,
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the police may already
have their culprit.
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(dramatic music)
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(tense dramatic music)
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(dramatic music)
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On a late January
morning in 1969,
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children on their way to school
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are met by a terrible sight.
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Gail Miller's body is found
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in the snow and down an alley.
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(dramatic music)
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Soon after, the police
arrive on the scene.
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Gail is a 20-year-old
young woman
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working as a nursing assistant
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in a pediatric ward
of the local hospital.
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Her life is
unfortunately cut short.
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When the police
offer a $2,000 reward
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for information leading
to a conviction,
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their first major
suspect comes to light.
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- Milgaard had driven
overnight with two friends
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from Regina to Saskatoon
to visit a friend.
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(dramatic music)
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- [Narrator] After
Cadrain approached police
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implicating Milgaard, they
begin a search for him.
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Milgaard is found in his
home city of Winnipeg
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and is brought in
for questioning.
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(tense dramatic music)
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- When police
require investigating
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an accused person in a
different jurisdiction,
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it requires assistance from the
police in that jurisdiction.
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So generally they just
reach out to them,
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and then they will
work together to get
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the alleged criminal
off the streets.
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- Cadrain reveals to the police
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that Milgaard and
his two friends
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had visited his
house that morning,
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and all three of them
get interrogated,
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and all three of them say,
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"I don't know what
you're talking about."
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And Milgaard was
very cooperative
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and tried to reconstruct
where he'd been.
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It was dark and he didn't
really know his way around,
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but he tried to
reconstruct his way around.
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And he was trying to be
as helpful as possible.
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- [Narrator] David
tells the police
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about his time in Saskatoon,
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how he and his friends got lost,
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and how they had helped someone
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who had gotten their
car stuck in the snow.
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The friends that David had been
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traveling with are interviewed.
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Their stories match much
closer to what David has said
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than the version that
Cadrain had told.
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- Separating witnesses
during questioning
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is extremely important.
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It allows the police
to corroborate details,
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and even small details
and differences
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between people's stories
can have a huge impact
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on how the case goes.
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Separating them allows the
police to do their job properly.
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Not only do they
corroborate evidence,
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it really shows if
they're hiding anything.
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Those details that are
hidden will come out.
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- Everybody, his
friends as well, said,
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"You know, nothing happened.
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"We'd gone into Saskatoon.
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"We got lost.
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"We finally found
our way to Cadrain's,
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"and then we headed
off to Edmonton."
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(dramatic music)
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- This was a group of kids
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picking up a friend
for a road trip.
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They were in Saskatoon just
a short period of time.
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(dramatic music)
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- [Narrator]
According to Cadrain,
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Milgaard showed up to his home
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with blood stains on his pants
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and acted suspicious the
rest of the road trip.
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(eerie music)
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With no leads on the sexual
attacker in Saskatoon
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and pressure mounting,
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the police decide to dig
deeper into Milgaard.
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- The police start
to harden their view
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that Cadrain might be correct.
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If that's true,
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then in the police's mind
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when Milgaard and his friends
said nothing happened,
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it must mean that they weren't
telling the whole story.
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So the police created a
roadmap of what they wanted
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or believed they could get from
Nichol John and Ron Wilson,
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the two friends, and they
took them to Saskatoon.
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- [Narrator] Milgaard's
friends are questioned again
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and admit that there
is a 12 minute period
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where they don't know
where Milgaard is.
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(tense music)
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After helping one driver
get unstuck from the snow,
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their own car breaks down,
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and both David and one friend
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go in opposite directions
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in search of help.
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(suspenseful music)
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- Twelve minutes
might seem like a lot,
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but it takes far less than 12
minutes to commit a murder,
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and 12 minute window
when there's no witnesses
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or any suspects to
see what happened,
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it's enough to
build a case around.
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- Then they put Nichol John
into a women's prison overnight,
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and they put a polygraph
operator in with Ron Wilson,
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and they started
working on them.
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Gradually, the police got
them from, "Nothing happened,"
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to Wilson implicating Milgaard
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saying he saw
blood on his pants,
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and Milgaard making admissions
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that he had stabbed
her or had fixed her
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or whatever his words were.
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And they got Nichol
John to the point
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where she said that
she was an eyewitness,
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and saw Milgaard do it.
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(gentle music)
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- [Narrator] The police get
enough from David's friends
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that they are able to
put together an idea
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of what happened on the
morning of the murder.
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- There's no question
the police put a lot
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of pressure on both Ron
Wilson and Nichol John.
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- [Narrator] Even with his
friends going on record
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as to what David has done,
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he continues to deny everything.
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- The police were aware
of the sexual attacker
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who'd been operating in
Saskatoon in the fall of 1968,
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and they were quite
public in the media
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that they were linking that
sex attacker to the murder.
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(sinister music)
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- [Narrator] Four months after
the murder of Gail Miller,
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David Milgaard is
officially arrested
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and charged with her murder.
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- One of the unique aspects
of the case was that
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in Canada currently
the law is that
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when you have a
preliminary inquiry,
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there's a publication ban.
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The media can't publish
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the evidence of a
preliminary inquiry.
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Milgaard's preliminary
inquiry happened
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just before that
law took effect.
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So all the evidence at
the preliminary inquiry
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was on a daily basis published
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in the Saskatoon Star Phoenix.
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And then when it went
to trial, obviously,
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there was plenty of
coverage as well.
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It was kind of a big
deal in the local media.
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(eerie music)
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- [Narrator] Things only
get worse for Milgaard.
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While being transported
to testify at the trial,
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Ron Wilson tells police he
hears from Lapchuk and Melnyk,
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who were partying with
Milgaard in a Regina Motel
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just four months after
Gail Miller's murder.
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Milgaard is teased
about being responsible.
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He responds by asking
for his pairing knife
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and acts out how he
stabbed her 14 times.
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- It became sort
of this large part
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of the final nail in
his coffin at the trial.
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- [Narrator] Milgaard's
trial garners much attention,
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and over 40 people testify.
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(tense music)
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- And the Crown kind of
gave a general theory
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about how this
homicide had occurred
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and how Milgaard fit
into that picture.
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You know, the defense, I guess,
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tried its best to
try to rebut that.
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So the jury was just left
with this sort of still image.
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And once they had
that information,
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then they were
fully on the rails
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to go and arrest and
prosecute successfully,
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and they convicted.
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(tense dramatic music)
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(gentle music)
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(tense dramatic music)
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- [Narrator] Late January, 1969,
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kids on their way to school
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find Gail Miller's
body in a snowy alley.
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The case looks to be going cold
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until a $2,000 reward prompts
citizens to come forward.
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- Cadrain, the friend that
Milgaard had gone to visit,
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goes in and implicates Milgaard,
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and says that he had seen
blood on Milgaard's pants
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the morning of the murder,
and that changed everything.
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- [Narrator] After a
series of interrogations
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of Milgaard and his friends,
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the police have
eyewitness testimony
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that Milgaard may
have been responsible.
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- The police got them
from, "Nothing happened,"
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to Wilson implicating Milgaard.
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- [Narrator] When Milgaard
and two acquaintances
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learn of Gail's
murder on the news,
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Milgaard jokingly acts
out that he stabbed her.
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- The police start
to harden their view
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that Cadrain might be correct.
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- David Milgaard is
convicted exactly one year
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after the murder of Gail Miller.
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(gentle music)
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Milgaard spends the
next decade in prison
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before getting a glimpse
of freedom in 1980.
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- After he got convicted,
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the family was resigned.
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Like what are they going to do?
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And not a lot happened
for many years,
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nine years roughly.
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Then what happened
is David escaped.
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(gentle dramatic music)
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- [Narrator] After
a decade in prison
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for a crime he swears
he did not commit,
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David Milgaard is
desperate enough to live
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a life on the run if
it means his freedom
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and not having to
go back to prison.
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(suspenseful music)
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Milgaard is let
out on a day pass
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to attend a family
barbecue in Winnipeg.
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- David was on a
temporary absence
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from the prison and
didn't come back,
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and he was leading
a life in Toronto,
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had a girlfriend, and
was selling jewelry
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and stuff on the street
in 1980s era Toronto.
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They were obviously
looking for him,
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and David sensed the
presence of law enforcement,
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and he ran,
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and he got shot.
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(gunfire blasting)
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(heartbeat pulsating)
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(somber music)
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- [Narrator] His mother Joyce
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is immediately by his
side at the hospital.
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- When he was in the hospital,
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Joyce decided that she
had to do something,
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and so in 1980, she said,
"I'm not going to wait."
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They'd tried to get lawyers.
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They'd tried to get some help.
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- [Narrator] Milgaard's
desperate attempts to be free
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has led not only
to him being shot,
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but a mother's
resolve to prove that
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the Saskatoon Police
really did have it wrong.
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Basing the case on
loose timelines,
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flawed interrogations,
and unreliable tips,
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David's conviction, being
one of tunnel vision,
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and a system that
clearly was wrong.
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- Nobody was interested,
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"in something he didn't
do," as the lyric goes.
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And then she took it on herself.
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And so she posted.
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She put up a reward,
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and posted the reward
all through Saskatoon
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saying, "Anybody who has
any information tell me."
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(gentle music)
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My first week at work was
the week of March 3, 1986.
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Day three, the Wednesday,
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was when we met Joyce Milgaard,
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and in walks Mrs.
Milgaard, and my boss,
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Hersh Wolsh, hauls me
out of the hallway,
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and says, "Asper, get in here,"
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and introduces me
to Mrs. Milgaard.
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She's pointing her
finger on the desk,
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and going, "My son is innocent."
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He had 17 years in at the time.
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She says, "You need to
do something about it."
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(gentle music)
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- [Narrator] Joyce
tells David Asper
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about what her son
has gone through,
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the trip that led to his arrest,
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the interrogations,
and his conviction.
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- When Mrs. Milgaard
first came to see us,
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she gave us bags and
boxes of documents,
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and there were
sort of two piles.
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One pile was his life in prison,
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and the second was all the trial
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and sort of all the court stuff.
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And I didn't know
where to start.
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And I started with
his life in prison.
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It still affects me to this day
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to have read through the words
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of Corrections Canada describing
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a somewhat scattered
17-year-old kid
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gets sucked up into that
system and not do well,
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which understates what
his experience was.
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- [Narrator] David
Asper travels to prison
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to meet with David Milgaard.
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(dramatic music)
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- I was actually
shocked when I met him,
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because on paper
you read this whole
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horrible story of
his incarceration,
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and you're not sure what
you're going to get.
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And in popped this
very affable, friendly,
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very engaging human being.
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And I was really surprised.
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It's one of the
most enduring things
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that people should
understand about him
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is that, he would
say it quite openly,
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the system took him,
but it didn't own him.
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It owned him maybe
for a little while,
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and then once he
got on his feet,
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it didn't own him.
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Wouldn't let them.
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- [Narrator] David Asper has
a lot of work ahead of him,
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but after seeing David
Milgaard's resilient attitude
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and his mother
Joyce's dedication,
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he's motivated to prove
Millard's innocence.
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(pensive music)
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Back in Winnipeg,
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David Asper continues
to build his case.
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- I mean, the first thing I did
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when I began my
representation of David
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was I read the trial transcript,
509
00:22:16,335 --> 00:22:18,587
and I could see, on its surface,
510
00:22:18,587 --> 00:22:21,673
I could see how he could
have been convicted.
511
00:22:21,673 --> 00:22:23,175
I can see that,
and I said to him,
512
00:22:23,175 --> 00:22:24,968
"Okay, tell me why.
513
00:22:24,968 --> 00:22:26,845
"You know, tell me
what's wrong here."
514
00:22:26,845 --> 00:22:30,098
Whether you say that
it was an illegal
515
00:22:30,098 --> 00:22:33,435
or an overbearing interrogation,
516
00:22:33,435 --> 00:22:35,061
isn't really the point.
517
00:22:35,061 --> 00:22:38,106
The point is that it
had enough pressure
518
00:22:38,106 --> 00:22:40,817
that two young kids went
from, "Nothing happened,"
519
00:22:40,817 --> 00:22:43,820
to becoming the core
of the Crown's case
520
00:22:43,820 --> 00:22:44,821
against David Milgaard.
521
00:22:44,821 --> 00:22:46,156
And how did that happen?
522
00:22:46,156 --> 00:22:48,909
And we know there were
questionable techniques.
523
00:22:48,909 --> 00:22:52,996
The police brought in
a polygraph examiner
524
00:22:52,996 --> 00:22:55,123
to work on Ron Wilson.
525
00:22:55,123 --> 00:22:58,752
And you can see in some
of the police documents
526
00:22:58,752 --> 00:23:01,838
where they were clearly
of a view that either
527
00:23:01,838 --> 00:23:05,008
Wilson was a witness
or he was involved.
528
00:23:05,008 --> 00:23:06,802
Okay, what does that mean?
529
00:23:06,802 --> 00:23:09,012
So now it means that the
police are saying to Wilson,
530
00:23:09,012 --> 00:23:12,724
"You're either a co-killer with
Milgaard or you're innocent
531
00:23:12,724 --> 00:23:15,102
"and maybe you have
some evidence for us.
532
00:23:15,102 --> 00:23:16,853
"What's it going to be?"
533
00:23:16,853 --> 00:23:18,897
- Sometimes when involved
in an interrogation,
534
00:23:18,897 --> 00:23:21,273
more needs to be done than
simply asking a question
535
00:23:21,273 --> 00:23:22,818
and getting the truthful answer.
536
00:23:22,818 --> 00:23:24,569
But the fact of the matter is,
537
00:23:24,569 --> 00:23:27,114
using scare tactics and
twisting the words of children
538
00:23:27,114 --> 00:23:29,366
is not going to be good
police interrogation
539
00:23:29,366 --> 00:23:32,119
no matter what the
ultimate conclusion is.
540
00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:35,122
- It's a reworking
of a universal lie
541
00:23:35,122 --> 00:23:37,124
that's known in
polygraph, which is,
542
00:23:37,124 --> 00:23:39,417
if I ask you, "Have
you ever hurt anybody?"
543
00:23:39,417 --> 00:23:40,919
If you say no,
544
00:23:40,919 --> 00:23:42,963
that's probably not
a credible answer.
545
00:23:42,963 --> 00:23:44,297
If you say yes,
546
00:23:44,297 --> 00:23:46,007
I'm going to use it to say,
547
00:23:46,007 --> 00:23:47,551
"Well, if you hurt
somebody before,
548
00:23:47,551 --> 00:23:52,431
"maybe you hurt somebody in
the back alley in Saskatoon."
549
00:23:54,057 --> 00:23:56,435
I don't think police want
to get the wrong person,
550
00:23:56,435 --> 00:24:00,272
but there's this psychological
switch that clicks
551
00:24:00,272 --> 00:24:05,318
without malice where the
mindset completely changes,
552
00:24:05,318 --> 00:24:09,281
and then everything becomes
about sort of fulfilling
553
00:24:09,281 --> 00:24:13,952
that theory of the case to the
exclusion of everything else.
554
00:24:13,952 --> 00:24:15,704
And that's what happened here.
555
00:24:18,205 --> 00:24:19,666
(gentle dramatic music)
556
00:24:19,666 --> 00:24:21,167
- [Narrator] A key
piece of evidence
557
00:24:21,167 --> 00:24:22,419
in David Milgaard's trial
558
00:24:22,419 --> 00:24:25,547
was the testimony citing
his alleged reenactment
559
00:24:25,547 --> 00:24:28,008
of the murder in a motel room.
560
00:24:28,008 --> 00:24:31,011
But the moment is
called into question.
561
00:24:31,011 --> 00:24:32,345
If it happened at all,
562
00:24:32,345 --> 00:24:35,474
it appears to have been
teenagers joking around.
563
00:24:36,892 --> 00:24:40,061
- That evidence came out of the
blue for the Crown attorney,
564
00:24:40,061 --> 00:24:43,023
where Milgaard supposedly
reenacted the murder.
565
00:24:43,023 --> 00:24:45,609
It came from two people
charged with robberies,
566
00:24:45,609 --> 00:24:48,487
who got stunningly low sentences
567
00:24:48,487 --> 00:24:51,198
for pleading guilty
to those robberies.
568
00:24:52,032 --> 00:24:53,992
- [Narrator] These are
the same two people
569
00:24:53,992 --> 00:24:57,204
Ron Wilson mentions to
police, Lapchuk and Melnyk.
570
00:24:58,371 --> 00:25:00,290
- It was early in the
case, and I had a witness.
571
00:25:00,290 --> 00:25:04,127
We had a witness whose
evidence initially was,
572
00:25:04,127 --> 00:25:05,462
"No, that never happened."
573
00:25:05,462 --> 00:25:06,922
And then it evolved,
574
00:25:06,922 --> 00:25:08,423
"And maybe it did happen,
575
00:25:08,423 --> 00:25:10,133
"but it was all a joke."
576
00:25:10,133 --> 00:25:12,427
By this point, Milgaard
had been questioned
577
00:25:12,427 --> 00:25:17,182
and whatever happened in
there is sort of irrelevant
578
00:25:17,182 --> 00:25:19,518
because he didn't
commit the crime.
579
00:25:20,602 --> 00:25:22,729
To this day, I
think the one thing
580
00:25:22,729 --> 00:25:24,564
the jury didn't have the benefit
581
00:25:24,564 --> 00:25:26,441
of understanding or seeing,
582
00:25:26,441 --> 00:25:30,111
which is that if you take
what the Crown said happened
583
00:25:30,111 --> 00:25:33,490
and you locate everybody,
it's not a diorama.
584
00:25:33,490 --> 00:25:35,867
It's not like a frozen image.
585
00:25:35,867 --> 00:25:36,952
It's dynamic.
586
00:25:36,952 --> 00:25:38,578
And when we took
587
00:25:38,578 --> 00:25:42,207
what the Crown said
happened on its face
588
00:25:42,207 --> 00:25:45,669
and set it in motion,
it made no sense.
589
00:25:45,669 --> 00:25:47,087
(dramatic music)
590
00:25:47,087 --> 00:25:49,422
And so I took my own
little VHS camera,
591
00:25:49,422 --> 00:25:52,217
and I went myself.
592
00:25:52,217 --> 00:25:53,468
I did all the walking.
593
00:25:53,468 --> 00:25:56,638
I did all the
movement and timed it.
594
00:25:56,638 --> 00:26:00,016
And when I did that
and videotaped it,
595
00:26:00,016 --> 00:26:02,352
it just hit me
like, "Holy smokes,
596
00:26:02,352 --> 00:26:04,563
"like there's no chance
any of this happened
597
00:26:04,563 --> 00:26:06,690
"the way it was
portrayed for the jury."
598
00:26:06,690 --> 00:26:08,400
Okay, it didn't happen that way.
599
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:09,818
It couldn't have
happened that way.
600
00:26:09,818 --> 00:26:11,653
That's when I kind of knew that
601
00:26:11,653 --> 00:26:14,030
there was something
seriously wrong here.
602
00:26:15,407 --> 00:26:17,450
- [Narrator] Lawyer David
Asper and Joyce Milgaard
603
00:26:17,450 --> 00:26:20,704
are certain that David
did not kill Gail Miller,
604
00:26:20,704 --> 00:26:23,790
but the question then
remains, who did?
605
00:26:24,958 --> 00:26:28,503
(tense dramatic music)
606
00:26:29,838 --> 00:26:32,674
(gentle music)
607
00:26:34,843 --> 00:26:38,013
(dramatic music)
608
00:26:38,930 --> 00:26:40,307
Gail Miller is found dead
609
00:26:40,307 --> 00:26:42,892
on a winter morning in 1969.
610
00:26:43,810 --> 00:26:45,353
Exactly one year later,
611
00:26:45,353 --> 00:26:48,982
David Milgaard is
convicted for her murder.
612
00:26:48,982 --> 00:26:51,401
David Asper is
brought onto the case
613
00:26:51,401 --> 00:26:55,071
by David Milgaard's mother
in hopes of freeing her son.
614
00:26:55,071 --> 00:26:57,741
- My first week at
work, day three,
615
00:26:57,741 --> 00:27:00,035
was when we met Joyce Milgaard.
616
00:27:00,035 --> 00:27:01,161
(dramatic music)
617
00:27:01,161 --> 00:27:02,871
- [Narrator] And going
over the evidence,
618
00:27:02,871 --> 00:27:05,498
reveals holes in the
original court case,
619
00:27:05,498 --> 00:27:08,376
including questionable
tactics that were
620
00:27:08,376 --> 00:27:12,088
put to use when witnesses
were being interrogated.
621
00:27:12,088 --> 00:27:14,049
- It had enough pressure
622
00:27:14,049 --> 00:27:15,508
that two young kids went from,
623
00:27:15,508 --> 00:27:18,511
"Nothing happened,"
to becoming the core
624
00:27:18,511 --> 00:27:20,972
of the Crown's case
against David Milgaard.
625
00:27:22,349 --> 00:27:24,059
- [Narrator] But just
believing David is innocent
626
00:27:24,059 --> 00:27:26,686
isn't enough to get
him out of prison,
627
00:27:26,686 --> 00:27:28,688
and no one is working
harder to prove
628
00:27:28,688 --> 00:27:31,775
his innocence than
his mother Joyce.
629
00:27:33,193 --> 00:27:35,820
Since Milgaard was
put behind bars,
630
00:27:35,820 --> 00:27:37,656
his mother Joyce
has been leading
631
00:27:37,656 --> 00:27:39,657
the charge to free her son.
632
00:27:39,657 --> 00:27:40,950
- And she was relentless.
633
00:27:40,950 --> 00:27:42,994
She was analytical.
634
00:27:42,994 --> 00:27:44,746
I don't know there
was ever a moment
635
00:27:44,746 --> 00:27:47,457
where she wasn't focused on
getting David out of jail
636
00:27:47,457 --> 00:27:49,542
and get getting this
whole thing undone.
637
00:27:49,542 --> 00:27:54,964
And they believed from day
one that he was innocent.
638
00:27:55,632 --> 00:27:57,008
(gentle music)
639
00:27:57,008 --> 00:27:58,468
- [Narrator] Their
strategy changes
640
00:27:58,468 --> 00:28:00,595
from trying to just
prove David's innocence
641
00:28:00,595 --> 00:28:03,181
to trying to find
another suspect.
642
00:28:03,181 --> 00:28:04,683
(gentle dramatic music)
643
00:28:04,683 --> 00:28:07,811
A big break finally comes
when Asper and Joyce
644
00:28:07,811 --> 00:28:11,648
get a tip about a man
named Larry Fisher.
645
00:28:11,648 --> 00:28:13,650
(sinister music)
646
00:28:13,650 --> 00:28:15,568
- We'd been taking
all these steps,
647
00:28:15,568 --> 00:28:17,278
and we initiated contact with
648
00:28:17,278 --> 00:28:18,988
the Federal
Department of Justice.
649
00:28:18,988 --> 00:28:20,573
(gentle dramatic music)
650
00:28:20,573 --> 00:28:24,119
And then out of the blue
one day we got a tip,
651
00:28:25,412 --> 00:28:29,541
and credit to Joyce because
as soon as we heard the name,
652
00:28:29,541 --> 00:28:33,336
she remembered seeing that
name buried in the reports
653
00:28:33,336 --> 00:28:36,256
when police were canvassing
the neighborhood.
654
00:28:36,256 --> 00:28:37,590
Sure enough, we went back.
655
00:28:37,590 --> 00:28:39,217
We're looking at all
the handwritten notes
656
00:28:39,217 --> 00:28:40,677
from the police officers,
657
00:28:40,677 --> 00:28:43,763
and there it is,
February 4, 1969,
658
00:28:43,763 --> 00:28:45,932
police talked to Larry Fisher
659
00:28:45,932 --> 00:28:49,102
at the same bus stop that
Gail Miller took to work.
660
00:28:52,731 --> 00:28:55,400
(gentle music)
661
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,026
- [Narrator] At the
time of the murder,
662
00:28:57,026 --> 00:28:59,654
Larry Fisher wasn't a suspect.
663
00:28:59,654 --> 00:29:01,072
He was only questioned
664
00:29:01,072 --> 00:29:03,199
as to whether he had
witnessed anything.
665
00:29:03,199 --> 00:29:05,160
However, he did give the police
666
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,454
one interesting
piece of information.
667
00:29:08,788 --> 00:29:11,833
- And he gave his address
the same address as the home
668
00:29:11,833 --> 00:29:14,377
that Milgaard
visited that morning.
669
00:29:14,377 --> 00:29:16,004
- [Narrator] There's
a strange connection
670
00:29:16,004 --> 00:29:17,964
in the house that
Fisher lives at.
671
00:29:17,964 --> 00:29:23,011
He also regularly waits at the
same bus stop as Gail Miller.
672
00:29:23,011 --> 00:29:24,512
- We got the tip,
673
00:29:24,512 --> 00:29:27,098
and we had to go and do
our own investigation.
674
00:29:27,098 --> 00:29:30,435
The Department of Justice
assigned the RCMP to it,
675
00:29:30,435 --> 00:29:32,729
and they certainly
didn't produce
676
00:29:32,729 --> 00:29:34,689
what we ultimately produced.
677
00:29:36,065 --> 00:29:37,692
- [Narrator] Larry Fisher
is in and out of prison
678
00:29:37,692 --> 00:29:41,196
throughout the 1970s and
80s for sexual assault
679
00:29:41,196 --> 00:29:42,489
and attempted murder.
680
00:29:43,281 --> 00:29:45,450
For all intensive purposes,
681
00:29:45,450 --> 00:29:49,788
his MO seems to match what
happened to Gail Miller.
682
00:29:49,788 --> 00:29:51,498
(gentle dramatic music)
683
00:29:51,498 --> 00:29:56,085
- When we prepared the chart
of Larry Fisher's crimes,
684
00:29:57,629 --> 00:30:01,883
we had sought outside advice
from very, very wise lawyers.
685
00:30:03,551 --> 00:30:05,136
We were confident that you
could actually prosecute
686
00:30:05,136 --> 00:30:07,639
Larry Fisher on the basis
of what's known in law
687
00:30:07,639 --> 00:30:12,852
as similar fact evidence where
somebody's MO is so unique
688
00:30:14,103 --> 00:30:16,648
and so consistent that you
can show previous incidents
689
00:30:16,648 --> 00:30:20,485
to prove something that he
did that he's accused of now.
690
00:30:21,611 --> 00:30:23,321
So we believed
that we could show,
691
00:30:23,321 --> 00:30:25,698
based on the whole pattern
of Fisher's activity,
692
00:30:25,698 --> 00:30:28,201
that he had murdered
Gail Miller.
693
00:30:28,201 --> 00:30:30,829
And we went public in a way.
694
00:30:30,829 --> 00:30:32,997
We were on every talk show,
695
00:30:32,997 --> 00:30:35,208
TV, radio, coast to coast.
696
00:30:35,208 --> 00:30:36,835
(gentle dramatic music)
697
00:30:36,835 --> 00:30:39,212
- [Narrator] Taking it even
further in front of the media,
698
00:30:39,212 --> 00:30:42,382
Joyce approaches Justice
Minister Kim Campbell,
699
00:30:42,382 --> 00:30:43,341
Campbell being the head of the
700
00:30:43,341 --> 00:30:45,635
Department of Justice of Canada.
701
00:30:45,635 --> 00:30:47,679
- I'd just like
to give you this.
702
00:30:47,679 --> 00:30:49,806
- Madam, if you want your
son to have a fair hearing,
703
00:30:49,806 --> 00:30:51,724
don't approach me
personally, I'm sorry.
704
00:30:51,724 --> 00:30:54,435
- Kim Campbell was coming
out of an elevator,
705
00:30:54,435 --> 00:30:58,356
and Joyce had set up
all the media cameras.
706
00:30:58,356 --> 00:30:59,941
When the Minister of Justice
707
00:30:59,941 --> 00:31:01,526
was coming out of the elevator
708
00:31:01,526 --> 00:31:03,361
and there was Joyce
standing there
709
00:31:03,361 --> 00:31:04,737
with a binder of materials,
710
00:31:04,737 --> 00:31:06,114
she said, "Please, Minister.
711
00:31:06,114 --> 00:31:09,325
"Please, will you talk
to me about my son?"
712
00:31:09,325 --> 00:31:12,370
And she just blew her off,
713
00:31:12,370 --> 00:31:13,830
and walked right by.
714
00:31:13,830 --> 00:31:16,291
And all the cameras
were rolling,
715
00:31:16,291 --> 00:31:18,084
and it just looked heartless.
716
00:31:18,084 --> 00:31:19,752
And it was on the national news,
717
00:31:19,752 --> 00:31:24,382
and it was a huge
story, and it triggered,
718
00:31:24,382 --> 00:31:27,385
like I've never seen at any
other point in that case,
719
00:31:27,385 --> 00:31:30,263
because it was the
Minister of Justice
720
00:31:30,263 --> 00:31:32,265
not even having the courtesy,
721
00:31:32,265 --> 00:31:35,143
regardless of the substance
of what she should see,
722
00:31:35,143 --> 00:31:37,020
just blew right by Joyce.
723
00:31:37,020 --> 00:31:39,731
(dramatic music)
724
00:31:39,731 --> 00:31:44,360
I honestly believed that
we would do our work.
725
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:45,737
We would summarize the case,
726
00:31:45,737 --> 00:31:49,198
and we would contact the
Department of Justice.
727
00:31:49,198 --> 00:31:50,658
And we would link arms
728
00:31:51,826 --> 00:31:55,371
and march together
to get justice.
729
00:31:55,371 --> 00:31:57,999
When I could see that,
730
00:31:57,999 --> 00:31:59,584
that wasn't going to happen,
731
00:31:59,584 --> 00:32:01,377
and not only was it
not going to happen,
732
00:32:01,377 --> 00:32:05,757
but that the attitude of
the system was adversarial
733
00:32:06,925 --> 00:32:10,261
to the idea, just
to the very idea,
734
00:32:10,261 --> 00:32:12,555
that there could be a
wrongful conviction,
735
00:32:12,555 --> 00:32:16,267
I was pretty resolute
that I was not,
736
00:32:16,267 --> 00:32:20,146
I was invested in not
letting the system
737
00:32:20,146 --> 00:32:23,358
once again grind
down the Milgaards.
738
00:32:23,358 --> 00:32:24,859
(gentle music)
739
00:32:24,859 --> 00:32:26,444
- [Narrator] David
Asper and the Milgaards
740
00:32:26,444 --> 00:32:28,988
are continually disappointed
by the justice system
741
00:32:28,988 --> 00:32:33,117
after their first wrongful
conviction review is dismissed,
742
00:32:33,117 --> 00:32:34,410
but they don't give up.
743
00:32:35,328 --> 00:32:36,955
- When we got turned down,
744
00:32:36,955 --> 00:32:39,582
I had to go tell
David in the prison.
745
00:32:40,500 --> 00:32:42,418
At the time they'd
put him in the hole,
746
00:32:42,418 --> 00:32:45,713
which is administrative
segregation
747
00:32:45,713 --> 00:32:49,342
or dissociation for
he was behaving badly,
748
00:32:49,342 --> 00:32:52,095
and he was not in a
good state mentally.
749
00:32:52,095 --> 00:32:54,180
And he gave me a pep talk.
750
00:32:54,180 --> 00:32:55,139
Like I was the one.
751
00:32:55,139 --> 00:32:57,308
I was seriously upset.
752
00:32:57,308 --> 00:32:59,352
And he said, "Okay,
we got to try harder.
753
00:32:59,352 --> 00:33:01,020
"Keep going."
754
00:33:01,020 --> 00:33:02,522
And he gave me the "Buck
up, little soldier" speech.
755
00:33:02,522 --> 00:33:04,524
Joyce was all over
it, and we said,
756
00:33:04,524 --> 00:33:06,484
"Okay, if we'd been
fighting a little bit
757
00:33:06,484 --> 00:33:08,820
"with the Federal Department
of Justice up to that point,
758
00:33:08,820 --> 00:33:11,447
"we're going to take
it up to volume 12."
759
00:33:11,447 --> 00:33:13,032
(tense dramatic music)
760
00:33:13,032 --> 00:33:16,494
I was invested in not
letting the system
761
00:33:16,494 --> 00:33:19,706
once again grind
down the Milgaards.
762
00:33:19,706 --> 00:33:22,083
It did in the
original proceedings.
763
00:33:22,083 --> 00:33:25,545
It did because nobody would
touch them or talk to them
764
00:33:25,545 --> 00:33:28,047
through the 70s or the 80s
765
00:33:28,047 --> 00:33:30,299
until the mid-80s
when we got involved.
766
00:33:30,299 --> 00:33:32,260
And I just wasn't going
to let that happen.
767
00:33:32,260 --> 00:33:36,431
We got mail from people
all across the country,
768
00:33:36,431 --> 00:33:40,059
not so much declaring
Milgaard's innocence,
769
00:33:40,059 --> 00:33:42,979
but who had concluded
that there was enough
770
00:33:42,979 --> 00:33:46,524
that a court had to have
another look at this.
771
00:33:46,524 --> 00:33:48,693
It was heartwarming
because I remember I got
772
00:33:48,693 --> 00:33:52,363
a particularly poignant
letter from a veteran
773
00:33:52,363 --> 00:33:57,744
who equated this battle
with democratic principles
774
00:33:58,786 --> 00:34:01,664
of justice and fairness
and what was the war for
775
00:34:01,664 --> 00:34:04,417
if the system's going
to build such a wall
776
00:34:04,417 --> 00:34:06,544
to protect itself from people
777
00:34:06,544 --> 00:34:07,795
who it might have hurt.
778
00:34:07,795 --> 00:34:10,715
(suspenseful music)
779
00:34:10,715 --> 00:34:13,342
- [Narrator] Being let
down at every other step,
780
00:34:13,342 --> 00:34:16,094
Joyce goes all the way
to the top and speaks
781
00:34:16,094 --> 00:34:20,558
to the Prime Minister of
Canada, Brian Mulroney.
782
00:34:20,558 --> 00:34:21,601
- A little while later,
783
00:34:21,601 --> 00:34:25,980
when the Prime Minister
Mulroney's in town,
784
00:34:25,980 --> 00:34:29,192
and he pulls up and his
motorcade pulls up to a hotel,
785
00:34:29,192 --> 00:34:31,486
it's lots of security and the
media cameras are all there
786
00:34:31,486 --> 00:34:36,074
and Joyce is there and he
walked straight over to Joyce,
787
00:34:37,158 --> 00:34:38,659
and he expressed
concern for her.
788
00:34:38,659 --> 00:34:41,579
And I hear he
talks about hearing
789
00:34:41,579 --> 00:34:43,581
how David is struggling
in the prison,
790
00:34:43,581 --> 00:34:45,541
"And I know the
Department of Justice
791
00:34:45,541 --> 00:34:46,918
"is looking hard at your case."
792
00:34:46,918 --> 00:34:48,460
He's warm.
793
00:34:48,460 --> 00:34:50,421
He's the opposite
of Kim Campbell.
794
00:34:50,421 --> 00:34:52,632
And then things
started to happen,
795
00:34:52,632 --> 00:34:54,425
and all of a sudden
we were given
796
00:34:54,425 --> 00:34:56,594
a reference to the
Supreme Court of Canada,
797
00:34:56,594 --> 00:34:58,471
and then we got to have our say,
798
00:34:58,471 --> 00:35:00,473
and the conviction
was overturned.
799
00:35:00,473 --> 00:35:03,643
(dramatic music)
800
00:35:04,893 --> 00:35:06,979
- [Narrator] After more
than 22 years in prison
801
00:35:06,979 --> 00:35:09,107
for a crime he did not commit,
802
00:35:09,107 --> 00:35:11,651
David Milgaard is free.
803
00:35:13,152 --> 00:35:16,739
- It was the first day of
Passover, April 16, 1992.
804
00:35:16,739 --> 00:35:18,908
Passover, of course,
is the celebration,
805
00:35:18,908 --> 00:35:21,744
the Jewish celebration
of the exodus from Egypt
806
00:35:21,744 --> 00:35:23,871
from Pharaoh, from
the evil Pharaoh,
807
00:35:23,871 --> 00:35:28,751
And I will never forget
going to our family Seder,
808
00:35:28,751 --> 00:35:31,212
our Passover dinner
that night having
809
00:35:31,212 --> 00:35:33,131
achieved exodus
for David Milgaard.
810
00:35:36,926 --> 00:35:38,719
(eerie ominous music)
811
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,681
- [Narrator] With David
Milgaard set free,
812
00:35:41,681 --> 00:35:43,641
the media attention on the case
813
00:35:43,641 --> 00:35:47,520
forces Gail Miller's family
to live through it all again
814
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:51,190
and wonder if her killer will
ever be brought to justice.
815
00:35:53,985 --> 00:35:57,655
(tense dramatic music)
816
00:35:59,073 --> 00:36:01,909
(gentle music)
817
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:05,913
(dramatic music)
818
00:36:05,913 --> 00:36:08,875
In 1969, the body of Gail Miller
819
00:36:08,875 --> 00:36:12,670
is found in a snowy
alleyway in Saskatoon
820
00:36:12,670 --> 00:36:13,963
after being murdered.
821
00:36:14,881 --> 00:36:17,717
A year-long case leads
to the conviction
822
00:36:17,717 --> 00:36:20,761
and imprisonment
of David Milgaard.
823
00:36:20,761 --> 00:36:22,597
(dramatic music)
824
00:36:22,597 --> 00:36:24,599
But his family spends the next
825
00:36:24,599 --> 00:36:27,393
22 years proving his innocence
826
00:36:27,393 --> 00:36:30,521
and getting his conviction
eventually overturned.
827
00:36:30,521 --> 00:36:33,608
- We were given a reference to
the Supreme Court of Canada,
828
00:36:33,608 --> 00:36:35,484
and then we got to have our say,
829
00:36:35,484 --> 00:36:37,361
and the conviction
was overturned.
830
00:36:38,654 --> 00:36:40,698
- [Narrator] But even
with David released,
831
00:36:40,698 --> 00:36:44,202
there is still the matter of
Gail Miller's real killer.
832
00:36:44,202 --> 00:36:45,786
(dramatic music)
833
00:36:45,786 --> 00:36:47,663
Her murder follows
the same patterns
834
00:36:47,663 --> 00:36:51,459
of similar crimes around
Saskatoon at the time,
835
00:36:51,459 --> 00:36:53,920
and the whole time
David is locked away,
836
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,589
Larry Fisher is in
and out of prison
837
00:36:56,589 --> 00:36:58,216
for the same types of crimes.
838
00:37:00,968 --> 00:37:02,011
(gentle music)
839
00:37:02,011 --> 00:37:03,846
Now that David Milgaard is free,
840
00:37:03,846 --> 00:37:06,015
his lawyers must
expose Gail Miller's
841
00:37:06,015 --> 00:37:09,060
real killer to
exonerate Milgaard.
842
00:37:09,060 --> 00:37:11,938
- They said that
the fresh evidence
843
00:37:11,938 --> 00:37:14,232
of Larry Fisher mattered,
844
00:37:14,232 --> 00:37:15,775
and don't forget.
845
00:37:15,775 --> 00:37:18,444
Larry Fisher testified
at the Supreme Court,
846
00:37:18,444 --> 00:37:19,946
and we prepared.
847
00:37:19,946 --> 00:37:22,448
Hersh Wolsh and I,
prepared for Larry Fisher.
848
00:37:22,448 --> 00:37:26,869
And Hersh did an amazing job
of getting Fisher to actually
849
00:37:26,869 --> 00:37:29,622
walk through every
single one of his crimes
850
00:37:29,622 --> 00:37:31,998
and was actually
correcting us on things
851
00:37:31,998 --> 00:37:33,918
that we might have missed,
852
00:37:33,918 --> 00:37:38,589
but in correcting us was
actually bolstering the profile.
853
00:37:38,589 --> 00:37:41,509
- While the technology
wasn't what it is today,
854
00:37:41,509 --> 00:37:44,262
they were still
taking DNA evidence
855
00:37:44,262 --> 00:37:47,223
found at the scene
back in the 60s.
856
00:37:47,223 --> 00:37:49,058
Having a suspect to test
857
00:37:49,058 --> 00:37:51,811
that evidence
against years later,
858
00:37:51,811 --> 00:37:55,147
can be a nail in the
coffin on a cold case.
859
00:37:55,856 --> 00:37:57,483
(dramatic music)
860
00:37:57,483 --> 00:37:59,819
- [Narrator] Semen found at
the scene of Gail Miller's
861
00:37:59,819 --> 00:38:03,906
murder is tested against
Larry Fisher's DNA,
862
00:38:03,906 --> 00:38:07,243
and it connects him
directly to the crime.
863
00:38:07,243 --> 00:38:08,536
(dramatic music)
864
00:38:08,536 --> 00:38:09,829
- And guess what?
865
00:38:09,829 --> 00:38:11,998
When they finally had the DNA
866
00:38:11,998 --> 00:38:16,585
sophistication or technology
to read the semen samples,
867
00:38:16,585 --> 00:38:18,004
Larry Fisher did it.
868
00:38:18,004 --> 00:38:20,881
Everybody except the Minister
of Justice knew that,
869
00:38:20,881 --> 00:38:22,967
and then he was convicted.
870
00:38:22,967 --> 00:38:24,635
(dramatic music)
871
00:38:24,635 --> 00:38:26,679
- [Narrator] In proving
David Milgaard's innocence,
872
00:38:26,679 --> 00:38:29,806
David Asper talks to other
victims of Larry Fisher.
873
00:38:29,806 --> 00:38:33,768
His victims go beyond the
scope of the Gail Miller case.
874
00:38:33,768 --> 00:38:37,064
- Just remember like you've
got Gail Miller murdered.
875
00:38:37,857 --> 00:38:40,026
You can't talk to Gail Miller.
876
00:38:40,026 --> 00:38:43,237
Who I did talk to was the
one he nearly murdered,
877
00:38:43,237 --> 00:38:44,739
(dramatic music)
878
00:38:44,739 --> 00:38:49,452
and literally she's got
a scar from ear to ear
879
00:38:49,452 --> 00:38:53,664
of where he slit her throat
while he was attacking her.
880
00:38:53,664 --> 00:38:55,248
It leaves a pretty
lasting impression
881
00:38:55,248 --> 00:38:57,460
about the person
who did that to her.
882
00:38:58,669 --> 00:38:59,962
Like monster,
883
00:38:59,962 --> 00:39:01,964
monster's just a word.
884
00:39:01,964 --> 00:39:03,883
It's beyond monster.
885
00:39:03,883 --> 00:39:05,051
(dramatic music)
886
00:39:05,051 --> 00:39:07,428
- [Narrator] In June, 2015,
887
00:39:07,428 --> 00:39:11,015
Larry Earl Fisher dies
in a prison hospital.
888
00:39:11,015 --> 00:39:12,892
- There's multiple victims.
889
00:39:12,892 --> 00:39:14,435
There's Gail Miller.
890
00:39:14,435 --> 00:39:15,811
There's the earlier victims
891
00:39:15,811 --> 00:39:17,438
who never got their closure.
892
00:39:17,438 --> 00:39:19,648
There's the subsequent victims.
893
00:39:19,648 --> 00:39:21,067
Milgaard is a victim,
894
00:39:21,067 --> 00:39:23,027
individually, David is.
895
00:39:24,027 --> 00:39:25,696
- [Narrator] Because
the police choose
896
00:39:25,696 --> 00:39:27,907
to focus all of their
attention on facts
897
00:39:27,907 --> 00:39:31,077
to fit the story as they
thought it happened,
898
00:39:31,077 --> 00:39:33,996
David becomes another
victim in the situation
899
00:39:33,996 --> 00:39:35,581
while Larry Fisher's
other crimes
900
00:39:35,581 --> 00:39:39,168
at the time remained unsolved.
901
00:39:39,168 --> 00:39:40,960
(somber music)
902
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:42,380
- It's so bad.
903
00:39:43,005 --> 00:39:45,174
When the system fails like this,
904
00:39:45,174 --> 00:39:48,135
it's just so bad
on so many fronts.
905
00:39:48,135 --> 00:39:51,972
I am certain that
I cannot imagine,
906
00:39:51,972 --> 00:39:54,016
I've read, but I can't imagine
907
00:39:54,016 --> 00:39:56,811
what it must have been
like for David in prison.
908
00:39:58,187 --> 00:40:01,190
I can't imagine what it's
like to have a child,
909
00:40:01,190 --> 00:40:02,608
a sibling murdered.
910
00:40:04,235 --> 00:40:05,861
Like you can't imagine that.
911
00:40:05,861 --> 00:40:07,113
Unless it's happened to you,
912
00:40:07,113 --> 00:40:09,698
you can't imagine it.
913
00:40:09,698 --> 00:40:11,659
For the public at large,
914
00:40:11,659 --> 00:40:13,160
you can sort of shake your head.
915
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:16,831
You can think and
try to empathize,
916
00:40:18,123 --> 00:40:22,628
but these are deep, deep
personal human wounds
917
00:40:23,963 --> 00:40:25,422
that get inflicted
when the system fails.
918
00:40:26,297 --> 00:40:28,926
The shocking coincidence is that
919
00:40:28,926 --> 00:40:31,804
the house where he went
to visit his friend
920
00:40:31,804 --> 00:40:35,808
was the place where they were
renting the basement suite
921
00:40:35,808 --> 00:40:40,020
of that home to the person
who ultimately was convicted
922
00:40:40,020 --> 00:40:42,022
of the murder of Gail Miller.
923
00:40:42,022 --> 00:40:45,443
They could have solved the
crime when it happened,
924
00:40:46,318 --> 00:40:48,696
if they'd stayed on the
path, on the theory,
925
00:40:48,696 --> 00:40:50,823
that the killer was the rapist.
926
00:40:51,907 --> 00:40:53,993
That was right in front of them.
927
00:40:53,993 --> 00:40:55,494
(light somber music)
928
00:40:55,494 --> 00:40:58,164
- [Narrator] But for
David just leaving prison
929
00:40:58,164 --> 00:41:00,416
doesn't rewrite the
decades that he lost.
930
00:41:00,416 --> 00:41:02,001
- There's no dollars
and cents value
931
00:41:02,001 --> 00:41:05,504
on the kind of
things that are lost.
932
00:41:07,047 --> 00:41:09,091
- Like I say there was
no transitional planning,
933
00:41:09,091 --> 00:41:14,180
and you've got a very
complex psychology
934
00:41:15,097 --> 00:41:18,225
from the time he was
17 until the time,
935
00:41:18,225 --> 00:41:22,563
how ever old he was when
he got out 40, almost 40.
936
00:41:24,064 --> 00:41:25,900
And he had trouble.
937
00:41:25,900 --> 00:41:27,485
He had a lot of trouble.
938
00:41:27,485 --> 00:41:29,445
(light somber music)
939
00:41:29,445 --> 00:41:31,489
- [Narrator] In May of 2022,
940
00:41:31,489 --> 00:41:33,574
David Milgaard passes away
941
00:41:33,574 --> 00:41:35,701
of complications from pneumonia
942
00:41:35,701 --> 00:41:38,536
leaving behind a wife
and two children.
943
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,166
From the time he was released
from prison until his death,
944
00:41:42,166 --> 00:41:45,127
David Milgaard fought for the
rights of the incarcerated
945
00:41:45,127 --> 00:41:47,087
to help ensure that
no one would have
946
00:41:47,087 --> 00:41:49,381
to relive his brutal experience.
947
00:41:49,381 --> 00:41:52,134
- He was advocating
for a system,
948
00:41:52,134 --> 00:41:55,221
a better way, a better
way of resolving
949
00:41:55,221 --> 00:41:56,931
these kinds of
wrongful convictions.
950
00:41:56,931 --> 00:42:00,518
And the government of Canada
keeps saying, "Yes, yes, yes."
951
00:42:00,518 --> 00:42:02,478
And I've participated
in consultations,
952
00:42:02,478 --> 00:42:05,272
and, "Yeah, we're going
to change the system."
953
00:42:05,272 --> 00:42:08,359
Six commissions of inquiry
have been consistent about
954
00:42:08,359 --> 00:42:10,236
what the changes need to be.
955
00:42:10,236 --> 00:42:11,654
Still no change.
956
00:42:11,654 --> 00:42:15,491
And so, it would appear that
the government is content.
957
00:42:15,491 --> 00:42:17,576
That the system is imperfect,
958
00:42:17,576 --> 00:42:20,204
and the way that we remedy
959
00:42:20,204 --> 00:42:23,707
those imperfections
is also imperfect.
960
00:42:25,292 --> 00:42:26,752
- [Narrator] If not for the
determination of a mother
961
00:42:26,752 --> 00:42:29,129
to prove her son's innocence
962
00:42:29,129 --> 00:42:31,674
and a lawyer's persistence
to finding the truth,
963
00:42:31,674 --> 00:42:35,636
justice for Gail Miller
might never have been found.
964
00:42:35,636 --> 00:42:39,556
(dramatic theatrical music)
965
00:42:42,556 --> 00:42:46,556
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