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So, without
further ado, I would like
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to introduce you to Sully Erna.
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Somebody told us this is
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where the fucking party is tonight.
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Is this where the party is?
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Most people spend their
entire lives just trying
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to figure out who they want to be.
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Somehow, for me, at a really
young age, I just knew
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what I was gonna do with my life.
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There's a lot of people, I guess
they go
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through their whole life of
wondering what they're gonna be
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when they grow up kind of thing.
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I just knew I wanted to be a musician
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and when I picked up the
live bootleg record one day
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and I seen that picture of Joe
Perry holding up a B.C. Rich,
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that picture actually
changed my opinion of wanting
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to be going from musician
to wanting be a rock star.
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Sully Erna, he's just like
a nonstop guy, you know,
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a hundred percent energy, that guy.
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Sarcastic, tough-in-your-face
attitude.
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Short punk, he would pick
the fight with the biggest kid.
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Sully is driven. That's what
he always was and still is.
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He's got the tenacity
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that you fucking just
would not understand.
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What he goes for, he goes for.
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Sully was always the guy that
wanted to conquer the world.
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When we think about Sully,
it's not just
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as the lead singer of Godsmack,
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but it's really just a force of nature.
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One, two,
three, four, ready? Go!
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Growing up, he was always
there for me,
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but when he could be.
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He was always on the road.
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He was always touring, doing
press, doing shows, whatever.
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His job is obviously abnormal.
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It is weird, like we
don't see each other a lot
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so we don't get to have
that like family time
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that like a normal
family would, especially
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when dad's gone all the time.
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Eleventh floor.
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My dad doesn't talk
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about his childhood a lot,
like the harder stuff.
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I think that he's very
closed off about that
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because it was a harder time in
his life.
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But basically all I know
about his childhood is
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that like it was rough for him
growing up
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and he came from like a really
tough part of Massachusetts.
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These two
others were in the hospital
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with non-life threatening injuries...
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Police also responded
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to Melrose Street around
noontime for shots fired.
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Officers swarmed the area in
heavy gear
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after they saw the gunman
targeted police.
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Central High School says
increase security after 51...
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My name is Sully Erna.
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I'm the founder and lead
singer of the band, Godsmack.
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We were born as a band way
before you guys were born,
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but for me, I was raised
in Lawrence, Massachusetts
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and I spent the first 18
years of my life there
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and it was a very challenging
city for me growing up.
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But I was raised with a musical family
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and my dad's still a trumpet player.
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And so then I found out through
my dad that my great uncle
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who was my grandmother's
brother, was a famous composer
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in Sicily, Italy, which is
where my family is from.
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His name was Emanuele Carta.
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He had composed and written
all this Italian music
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that today has become
very well known in Sicily.
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When he passed away, he left
the house to his sister,
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which was my grandmother
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and then she went on to get
married and raised my dad
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and his sister, my Aunt Rina.
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I was born in 1944 in Sicily
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in a small town called Melilli.
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Unfortunately, when I was 14
years old,
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my mother passed away.
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A few years later, my father
brought me to the United States
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where we found work in a factory
in Lawrence, Massachusetts.
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Oh, it was a beautiful city.
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You'd never had to worry, your
parents never had to worry.
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You could go out, you can
enjoy life, play in the yard.
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Very different than today.
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There was a lot of areas
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that you just avoided,
especially where we lived.
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Even as adults, we didn't
hang around that area.
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So this is my house
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that I grew up in, 87
Basswood Street, Lawrence.
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And it's so surreal being here
right now
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because really this is the heart
and soul
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of kind of the core of my life
and what I remember the most.
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And you gotta come check this out.
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Oh my God, I'm freaking out.
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I haven't been here
since I was 17 years old.
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So this was it. This was my old home.
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This was my mom's room.
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Her bed used to be set up
this way against the wall.
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This was my little bedroom.
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It looks so much smaller than I remember.
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I used to have my little drum
set there.
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My mom's gonna freak out
when she sees this film.
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This is insane that I'm standing
in this house right now.
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What an amazing experience to be able
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to come back here after what, 35 years.
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If there was a clown in the family.
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When Sully was little,
as long as he had a spoon
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or a stick or something to
bang on, that baby was happy.
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Fortunately he always had it
in his blood just like I did.
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The earliest memories
that I can remember,
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it was always somehow connected
to music.
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From watching my dad's band
all those years, sitting
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in the basement
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from the time I was three
and a half years old
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and when they were done
rehearsing, I used to always go
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to the drummer first and
ask him if I could play
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on the drums and he'd sit me on
the stool.
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I couldn't even reach the bass
drum pedal. I was so small.
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I can barely reach it now actually.
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Sometimes it would make me
crazy hearing
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that steady banging and banging
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but I just had that feeling
that he had something in him
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that maybe would develop later on.
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I had gone to Constantino's
where his dad went all the time.
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One day the owner of
the studio came up to me
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and says, "You know, there's a
mother here
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with a really young little fellow
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and she'd like him to
sign up for drum lessons."
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And they said, "How old is
he?"
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I said, "Three and a half."
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"Can you teach somebody that
young?'
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And I said, "Well, I have never
done this before this young.
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This would be a new
experience, but I'm game."
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So we went to two or three lessons
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and the fourth time we went
back, he told me, he says,
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"Mrs. Erna," he says, "Don't
stop him."
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He says, "He has gotten a
natural rhythm
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for these drums that I can't
explain."
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He says, "But please, don't stop
him."
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So we bought him a little
drum set for Christmas.
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It was a cute little
set, but it was paper.
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And he put his foot to it
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because he said, "This is not a
real set.
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This is a toy set."
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One year later, at the age
of five, on my fifth Christmas,
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there was my blue sparkling
beauty real drum set.
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For the first time, I had
some real drums in the house.
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The smallest drum set they had
was still
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three times bigger than him.
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He just had such a natural
talent. He was born with it.
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And no matter where he went,
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his jeans, his high tops, his
drumsticks in his back pocket,
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so he was always beating on something.
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But again, I wasn't
a rock star back then.
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I wasn't successful, I wasn't
a celebrity, I had no money.
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We were raised so poor that
we didn't even have milk.
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Our milk was powdered.
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So we had a packet of powder
that you mix with water
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and that's kind of what milk was
for us.
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My mom, you know, raised us
trying to hold down a couple
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of jobs to raise me and my sister.
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I know that my mom
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and my dad didn't have
a great relationship.
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There was a lot of tension in
the house,
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from what I remember.
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My ex-wife, I have
to make sure, it's not
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because I'm trying to be
nice on this interview or not
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but my ex-wife is a wonderful person.
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I still respect her enormously.
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Unfortunately, she probably
doesn't feel the same way.
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At least I think I hurt
her a lot when I left.
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I think both of us
got married too young.
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And my reason, I wanted
to get outta the house
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and he was my out.
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I don't remember having a
lot of memories with my dad
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in that house 'cause I was
really young.
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And the memories that I have,
they're not the best memories
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for a young kid to remember
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so maybe I shut a lot of that out.
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But what I do remember is
they would fight all the time.
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Anything could trigger him off.
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I could make something for
dinner that he didn't like
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and he would take it and
throw it in the wall.
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All different things like that.
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He was physically, emotionally abusive.
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He had a very short temper.
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And from what I understand,
his dad was the same way.
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He was taught to teach through hitting.
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And so he was a bit too aggressive
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for a young kid to handle.
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I used to pick fights, you know,
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and I didn't care if the guy was
6'2,
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as long as I threw the first
punch even
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if you beat the hell outta me.
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The main point is, Sully, I
didn't want you to be like me
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because you'd end up in jail
if you kept going like that.
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So I said, you know,
this is why, you know,
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I told him, "That's why I
used to do what I used to do.
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If I smacked you, it is
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because I didn't want
you to be like that."
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But then as life goes on, you
start to become more wise.
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And I do remember this one
specific fight where I was told
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to go to my room and I
could hear them screaming
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at each other in the kitchen.
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And when I opened the door,
I remember my dad had my mom
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by the back of her hair
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and he had her face like
hitting on the stove.
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And I remember him looking back
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and just telling me to shut my door.
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And I just remember hearing
the argument and the screaming
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and it just didn't sound good
to me and I was really upset.
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So he always carried a gun,
which made me very nervous
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'cause I knew he had a short fuse.
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I know one day we had a
fight and he picked up Maria
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and she was about eight
months old and he had a gun
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and he took her out of
the house with a gun
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and said, if I call the
police, he would shoot her
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and he would shoot me.
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Sully doesn't remember a lot
that went on
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when things were really bad,
Maria does.
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There were times
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when we were little, I didn't
think we were gonna make it.
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You know, we grew up in a
pretty rough environment
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and we didn't have a lot of encouragement
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from some of the family members,
you know.
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The fights got worse and worse
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and to the point where she
didn't want it around us anymore.
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And she asked him to go and he left.
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No matter what my mom went
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through with him, she always
sheltered me
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and my sister from it as best
she could.
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She never cried in front of us.
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She never told us to hate our dad.
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I have one thing to say,
you don't have to love him,
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but you do have to respect
him 'cause he's your father.
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When he walked out of the house,
he walked out with nothing.
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Not a bill, not a house payment,
not child support, nothing.
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It was just us struggling
just to make ends meet.
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And it was just so hard. I felt
so guilty.
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Although I have no regrets
about where I grew up.
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Lawrence is one of those
places that you have
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to get tough real quick
to survive this place.
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It really is one
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of the toughest inner cities
you can find in America.
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I had every challenge in the world.
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I had next door neighbors
that were rapists.
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I had people that I thought
were amazing school teachers
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that got arrested for dealing drugs.
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I watched people get
beat almost to death just
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for wearing the wrong colors
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'cause you weren't in their gang.
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Thankfully, I had music in my life.
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I loved it so much. I wanted
to go home and practice.
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And so when some of the
group of kids were going out
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to do the really dark stuff,
I was home practicing.
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I was definitely going down
the rock and roll path.
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I started picking up some
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of the first records in rock and roll.
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I was kind of molding myself
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to become that style of a musician.
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And that kind of rock and roll
has always been rebellious.
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And so I think it was just me trying
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to embody myself with that personality.
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Once I found my love
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for drums, I just wanted
to play all the time.
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His drums were his life, you know,
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practiced and practiced.
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And so I would literally skip
school and go to my bedroom
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and strap on headphones for
hours and hours and hours
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until my hands were cracked and bleeding.
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And I just remember thinking,
this is what I'm gonna do.
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I don't know how I knew this,
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but at a very young age,
I just knew what I wanted
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to do with my life.
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I wanted to be a drummer and
that was it.
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And when my dad would come over
to visit,
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I remember he got frustrated
and he would just discourage me
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in a way by saying that
music should be a hobby
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and that I needed to get a
good education and a job.
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And I remember thinking,
that's fucking crazy to me.
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Everything else is gonna be a hobby
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and music is what I'm
gonna do for a living
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In my memory, you know, just
felt like he would show up
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and they would immediately
be beating each other like
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in a fist fight and just kind of yelling
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and just like slamming doors.
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And I just didn't understand
why my dad was, it seems like
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to me was always picking on him,
you know.
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I always loved him, but
I was a little bit afraid
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with the way he was growing up.
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But I was still myself as far
as not being a great father,
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if you want, if you will, you know,
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as far as the way I thought
it was the right way to teach.
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That was the beginning of
the end for our relationship.
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It just spiraled outta control
after that.
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And the more he told me no,
the more I just told him,
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this is what I'm gonna do.
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And I really think it's the reason
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why I became a lot more rebellious.
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And I remember it didn't help my attitude.
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It made me angrier.
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And as years and years
developed, I got really good
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at being bad and it becomes
an addiction in itself
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and I got looped into that world.
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And I found myself getting involved
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in drugs at too young of an age.
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And I found myself fighting
at too young of an age
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'cause I was a small guy
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and I always had to defend myself.
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First day of freshman year,
there he is,
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and there's this bully
and he's giving him shit.
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He's picking on him.
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I say, "Hey, pick on
somebody your own size."
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So we've been friends ever since.
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Freddy introduced
me to Jimmy Mustapha.
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He brought Sully along.
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I remember him saying he
plays the drums or something
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and I'm like, "Oh, you play the
drums?"
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And I remember Sully doing something
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with his hands on like the trunk
of a car.
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And I'm like, "Oh wow,
he's good, you know."
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Jimmy Mustapha, Freddy Cristaldi,
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those three lived together.
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And when it came to music,
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Sully brought it to the forefront.
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Whenever we're all over at his house,
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that's all he did, played drums
all day.
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Sometimes I'd be there,
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and I wouldn't be able to talk
to him
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until the song was over.
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"All right, take a break,
kid. Let me talk to you."
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Because he would just be playing along.
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We hung out every
day, it seems like, just
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for years and years, you
know, 1984 or whatever,
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We're all heavily into music.
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We were like metalheads.
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We wanted long hair and leather jackets
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and parties and chicks
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and we wanted to live that lifestyle.
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We all loved that lifestyle.
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And Sully brought that
into our lives really.
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Every day was
just about finding someone
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to buy us beer at the local
liquor store
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and scraping up 10 bucks
to get a bag of weed
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and going to house parties.
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Here's to you, here's to me,
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best of friends will always be,
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if we should disagree,
fuck you, here's to me.
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You just had to kind of walk
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around the city and find each other
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00:19:24,902 --> 00:19:26,252
and this was the meeting spot.
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Whenever they just said,
'Meet us at the stoop,"
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this was the stoop.
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But we all hung in this little platform
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and buy weed and meet up with
people and talk and chat.
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Like everybody that I knew
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00:19:35,739 --> 00:19:38,002
in Lawrence, this is
where everyone hung out.
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To be honest, we all bonded
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00:19:40,179 --> 00:19:41,832
because we all had tougher home lives.
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During my teenage years, the
streets were a better place,
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00:19:45,836 --> 00:19:47,447
I thought, at the time than home.
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00:19:48,317 --> 00:19:49,275
My father was a fucking monster.
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He was fucking insanely strong.
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00:19:52,060 --> 00:19:55,890
And then one night he came
in drunk, didn't even know
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00:19:55,890 --> 00:19:57,500
who I was and he tried to kill me
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00:19:57,500 --> 00:19:58,849
'cause I asked my mother to pull
my pants
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over my cowboy boots for me.
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She bent down and he snapped,
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00:20:03,506 --> 00:20:06,379
and I went in my room
and just shut the door.
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00:20:06,379 --> 00:20:07,858
And he came barging through the door
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00:20:07,858 --> 00:20:10,948
and my mother pushed him
and said, "Get outta here,"
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so I left, but Lawrence was tough.
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And when your family goes down like
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that too, it's even tougher, you
know?
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So you rely on your friends and
I did.
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00:20:22,438 --> 00:20:25,267
It certainly
was part of the path
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that I walked in my life
that maybe hardened my shell
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and prepared me for some
of the more serious things
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00:20:31,839 --> 00:20:34,276
that came at me later in life.
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00:20:34,276 --> 00:20:35,973
It was a rough town. You
don't forget any of that.
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00:20:35,973 --> 00:20:38,411
It lives with you for
the rest of your life
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00:20:38,411 --> 00:20:41,501
But the man you become is
the man you choose to be
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00:20:41,501 --> 00:20:44,504
and the part of Lawrence that
stays in you
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00:20:44,504 --> 00:20:46,767
and anybody from Lawrence,
if you've noticed,
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00:20:46,767 --> 00:20:50,553
which you probably have, we're
all a bunch of wise asses.
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You had to be aggressive
or have an attitude back
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in order to get along with
other people and stuff.
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Even Sully, when I remember,
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00:20:58,213 --> 00:21:00,607
when he was a kid, you know,
short punk,
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00:21:00,607 --> 00:21:04,219
he would pick the fight with
the biggest kid, you know.
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00:21:04,219 --> 00:21:05,960
He wouldn't pick a fight
with somebody his size.
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00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:07,657
He'd always pick a fight
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00:21:07,657 --> 00:21:09,746
with somebody bigger than him,
you know, to prove himself.
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00:21:09,746 --> 00:21:11,835
You know, and that's
that Lawrence attitude.
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00:21:11,835 --> 00:21:13,097
You don't back down from a fight.
396
00:21:20,191 --> 00:21:21,497
Me, Jimmy and
Freddy one night decided
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00:21:21,497 --> 00:21:24,457
to go to this house party
that we heard about.
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00:21:24,457 --> 00:21:27,416
And when we pulled up, I
remember Freddy saying he needed
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00:21:27,416 --> 00:21:28,591
to show us something.
400
00:21:29,505 --> 00:21:32,203
I opened the trunk and the
only two I showed this to.
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00:21:33,074 --> 00:21:35,598
And there was a sawed
off shotgun in the trunk.
402
00:21:35,598 --> 00:21:37,905
You know, I was like,
yes, let's take this thing
403
00:21:37,905 --> 00:21:38,993
out right now and I wanna see it.
404
00:21:38,993 --> 00:21:40,386
We took it out and I picked it up
405
00:21:40,386 --> 00:21:42,039
and Freddy's like, "Don't
fucking pull it out
406
00:21:42,039 --> 00:21:44,259
in the middle of the street,"
and put it back in the trunk.
407
00:21:45,347 --> 00:21:46,479
And nevermind, he shut the trunk.
408
00:21:46,479 --> 00:21:48,437
Forget it was even there kind of thing.
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00:21:49,569 --> 00:21:52,572
So we went upstairs to this
house party,
410
00:21:53,834 --> 00:21:55,705
and I just remember looking
around and there was no girls.
411
00:21:55,705 --> 00:21:58,404
It was just a bunch of dudes.
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00:21:58,404 --> 00:22:01,668
There's probably three, four girls
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00:22:01,668 --> 00:22:03,887
in the whole entire party.
414
00:22:03,887 --> 00:22:05,498
It was like 30 guys.
- Sausage fest.
415
00:22:05,498 --> 00:22:06,760
Sausage fest.
416
00:22:07,935 --> 00:22:09,937
And we were like,
well, this kind of sucks,
417
00:22:09,937 --> 00:22:11,547
but we're here now and we got beer
418
00:22:11,547 --> 00:22:13,941
and so let's just go
and fucking have a beer.
419
00:22:13,941 --> 00:22:15,812
Yeah, we were jamming up to
some tunes,
420
00:22:15,812 --> 00:22:18,467
but these guys wanted to
take off after about an hour.
421
00:22:19,555 --> 00:22:21,470
Then we just weren't feeling
it so we decided to leave.
422
00:22:21,470 --> 00:22:23,603
And on the way out, I had realized
423
00:22:23,603 --> 00:22:25,735
that I had forgot my jacket.
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00:22:25,735 --> 00:22:26,997
And those guys said they
were going downstairs
425
00:22:26,997 --> 00:22:29,043
and they would meet me at the car.
426
00:22:29,043 --> 00:22:30,305
And I grabbed my jacket,
427
00:22:31,175 --> 00:22:33,047
and on the way out, I was
walking through the kitchen
428
00:22:33,047 --> 00:22:36,050
and I had my head down or something,
429
00:22:36,050 --> 00:22:37,791
and I had a beer in my hand
430
00:22:37,791 --> 00:22:38,748
and this dude had a beer in his hand,
431
00:22:38,748 --> 00:22:40,402
and we smashed into each other
432
00:22:40,402 --> 00:22:42,578
and spilled beer on each other.
433
00:22:42,578 --> 00:22:44,493
And next thing I know, we hit
the ground
434
00:22:44,493 --> 00:22:45,364
and we were fighting.
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00:22:46,974 --> 00:22:48,715
The thing I remember after
that was getting kicked
436
00:22:48,715 --> 00:22:51,631
in the face and kicked
in the side of the head
437
00:22:51,631 --> 00:22:52,849
and kicked in the ribs.
438
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:55,591
And I started thinking while
I was fighting this kid
439
00:22:55,591 --> 00:22:58,072
that I was in the wrong
place at the wrong time
440
00:22:58,072 --> 00:22:59,856
because these were all his friends
441
00:22:59,856 --> 00:23:02,119
and my friends were no
longer in the house.
442
00:23:03,251 --> 00:23:06,297
Somehow I squirmed out of that mess
443
00:23:06,297 --> 00:23:08,778
and I came down the stairs
and my shirt was ripped
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00:23:08,778 --> 00:23:11,128
and my face was all red.
445
00:23:11,128 --> 00:23:13,740
He comes down, but you can
tell something was wrong.
446
00:23:13,740 --> 00:23:15,481
He was huffing and puffing
447
00:23:15,481 --> 00:23:17,613
And just as I'm telling them
448
00:23:17,613 --> 00:23:19,659
what's going on, we could see
them coming out of the house.
449
00:23:19,659 --> 00:23:21,791
But then I remember seeing
the kid that I fought
450
00:23:21,791 --> 00:23:23,706
and he was coming towards me,
451
00:23:23,706 --> 00:23:25,621
and he had a knife in his hand,
452
00:23:25,621 --> 00:23:27,536
and I felt like I was the
only one that's seen it.
453
00:23:27,536 --> 00:23:28,842
And everyone's arguing
454
00:23:28,842 --> 00:23:31,366
and trying to figure out what
the fuck.
455
00:23:31,366 --> 00:23:32,889
And I just remember looking
at this kid with a knife,
456
00:23:32,889 --> 00:23:35,675
and I'm like, this
motherfucker's gonna stab me.
457
00:23:37,807 --> 00:23:39,330
You know, "What's up? Gimme
the keys."
458
00:23:39,330 --> 00:23:40,984
I'm like, "What?"
459
00:23:40,984 --> 00:23:44,161
"Gimme your fucking keys,"
so I throw him the keys.
460
00:23:45,424 --> 00:23:48,339
I remember popping the trunk
and grabbing the shotgun.
461
00:23:50,341 --> 00:23:52,431
I pulled the shotgun
up to this kid's face,
462
00:23:53,475 --> 00:23:56,304
and I just remember feeling
nothing at that point.
463
00:23:58,480 --> 00:23:59,525
And I started to turn my head,
I hear
464
00:24:03,485 --> 00:24:05,966
And as he got close to
me, I pulled the trigger,
465
00:24:13,669 --> 00:24:14,975
Sully pulled the trigger.
466
00:24:21,503 --> 00:24:24,680
And till this day, it's one
467
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:26,856
of the toughest things
for me to talk about.
468
00:24:31,470 --> 00:24:34,821
But thankfully my friend was
smart enough when he decided
469
00:24:34,821 --> 00:24:37,693
to put this gun in his trunk,
there was no bullets in it.
470
00:24:37,693 --> 00:24:39,913
So all I heard was click.
471
00:24:42,437 --> 00:24:46,136
And now I went, oh, shit,
this kid's gonna kill me now.
472
00:24:49,836 --> 00:24:51,881
He came down with a
knife, I let go of the gun
473
00:24:51,881 --> 00:24:53,448
and I grabbed his wrist.
474
00:24:54,275 --> 00:24:56,277
And I just remember thinking
475
00:24:56,277 --> 00:24:58,845
to myself, do not let
go of this kid's wrist.
476
00:24:58,845 --> 00:25:02,457
Somehow I weaseled out of this mess
477
00:25:02,457 --> 00:25:05,852
and we got in the car and
we screwed out of there.
478
00:25:05,852 --> 00:25:07,506
And I remember as we were
leaving, I felt something kind
479
00:25:07,506 --> 00:25:09,812
of cool on my ribs and I looked down
480
00:25:09,812 --> 00:25:11,205
and he nicked me enough
481
00:25:11,205 --> 00:25:13,816
that, you know, he was
able to break the skin
482
00:25:13,816 --> 00:25:15,775
and put a small puncture in my side.
483
00:25:15,775 --> 00:25:17,559
But thank God, you know, he
never got
484
00:25:17,559 --> 00:25:21,911
that knife fully inside of
me because it was a big knife
485
00:25:21,911 --> 00:25:23,957
and for sure, I would've been dead.
486
00:25:27,351 --> 00:25:29,136
And I think about that
story every single day
487
00:25:29,136 --> 00:25:33,662
because it was such a
pivotal point in my life
488
00:25:33,662 --> 00:25:38,406
that had that shotgun
had a bullet in it, a lot
489
00:25:39,276 --> 00:25:42,366
of things would've been
different for me in my life.
490
00:25:44,281 --> 00:25:46,370
Sully pulled the trigger not knowing
491
00:25:47,328 --> 00:25:48,895
that it wasn't gonna go off.
492
00:25:48,895 --> 00:25:50,287
He would've killed this kid.
493
00:25:50,287 --> 00:25:51,941
He would've shot him, blew his
head off.
494
00:25:51,941 --> 00:25:53,421
Sully was 18 at the
time, it would've been 18
495
00:25:53,421 --> 00:25:55,815
to life for him, and I would've
went down
496
00:25:55,815 --> 00:25:57,556
with him over a spilled beer.
497
00:26:00,994 --> 00:26:02,430
There would've been a
lot of things missing,
498
00:26:02,430 --> 00:26:04,998
and I would've pretty much
spent my life in prison.
499
00:26:04,998 --> 00:26:07,914
I'm sure of it. So someone
was watching over me that day.
500
00:26:24,844 --> 00:26:27,498
I know my mom really
struggled in the early days
501
00:26:27,498 --> 00:26:29,022
when we lived in Lawrence.
502
00:26:29,022 --> 00:26:31,024
There was just no money coming in
503
00:26:31,024 --> 00:26:33,417
and she was working as much as
she could.
504
00:26:33,417 --> 00:26:36,725
And she struggled a lot
more than I even realized
505
00:26:36,725 --> 00:26:37,770
at the time.
506
00:26:38,771 --> 00:26:41,251
Yet somehow she always
found a way to make it work.
507
00:26:42,644 --> 00:26:44,037
I don't know how she did it.
508
00:26:44,037 --> 00:26:45,473
Year after year, I was in so
much trouble
509
00:26:45,473 --> 00:26:47,344
and my friends were in so much trouble
510
00:26:47,344 --> 00:26:50,565
and yet my house was
always the house to go to.
511
00:26:52,698 --> 00:26:55,396
Whenever someone was really
getting their kicked at home
512
00:26:55,396 --> 00:26:58,921
or needed to get away, it was
my house they ended up at.
513
00:27:00,488 --> 00:27:01,837
Sully, came home one night
514
00:27:01,837 --> 00:27:03,230
and he says, "Mom, can I talk
with you?"
515
00:27:03,230 --> 00:27:04,448
And I said, "Sure."
516
00:27:04,448 --> 00:27:05,798
He says, "I have a friend, Rick Jarvis,
517
00:27:05,798 --> 00:27:08,931
it's the winter and he's
sleeping in his car."
518
00:27:08,931 --> 00:27:10,106
And I said, "Oh my God."
519
00:27:10,106 --> 00:27:12,195
I say, "Go get him and bring him
here."
520
00:27:12,195 --> 00:27:13,066
Connie.
521
00:27:14,807 --> 00:27:17,897
Listen man, if there was
ever an angel, it's his ma.
522
00:27:19,638 --> 00:27:20,987
That's just the truth, man.
523
00:27:24,381 --> 00:27:26,166
She saved my life. He saved my life.
524
00:27:27,950 --> 00:27:29,996
It's a fact, you know.
525
00:27:31,562 --> 00:27:34,000
I was sleeping in my car
outside his house every night.
526
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,046
And then eventually she just
said, "Tell him to come in,"
527
00:27:37,046 --> 00:27:39,179
and that's how his mother was.
528
00:27:39,179 --> 00:27:40,746
You know, she was a sweetheart.
529
00:27:42,182 --> 00:27:43,531
You know, it's funny.
530
00:27:43,531 --> 00:27:47,927
My mom is really a very
honest, simple person
531
00:27:47,927 --> 00:27:52,322
and yet she's harboring all
these punks
532
00:27:52,322 --> 00:27:56,413
and criminals that I
called my friends.
533
00:27:56,413 --> 00:27:59,068
I knew where they were,
what they were doing.
534
00:27:59,068 --> 00:28:00,809
I didn't have to worry.
535
00:28:00,809 --> 00:28:04,683
And my mom used to say, "Oh,
how do you stand all these boys
536
00:28:04,683 --> 00:28:06,467
at your house all the time?"
537
00:28:07,337 --> 00:28:09,557
And I tell her, "I know they're
with me
538
00:28:09,557 --> 00:28:10,863
and they're not in any trouble."
539
00:28:20,046 --> 00:28:21,395
I had met this girl, Michelle.
540
00:28:21,395 --> 00:28:23,658
It was one of my first
really intense loves
541
00:28:23,658 --> 00:28:26,226
and she and I fell in love
pretty quickly.
542
00:28:27,836 --> 00:28:28,924
Michelle was a looker.
543
00:28:28,924 --> 00:28:30,621
It's easy to see why Sully liked her
544
00:28:30,621 --> 00:28:33,320
and teenagers, hormones are
going crazy,
545
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:34,234
what do you think?
546
00:28:35,278 --> 00:28:39,326
So there was this one day
when I was walking to the store
547
00:28:39,326 --> 00:28:41,894
that was down the block from my house,
548
00:28:41,894 --> 00:28:43,939
and this car screeched and
pulled up in front of me
549
00:28:43,939 --> 00:28:46,028
and these four guys jumped out
550
00:28:46,028 --> 00:28:49,075
and they were basically
asking me if I knew Michelle.
551
00:28:50,641 --> 00:28:51,991
And they put me up against the wall
552
00:28:51,991 --> 00:28:53,644
and they started threatening
me, basically saying
553
00:28:53,644 --> 00:28:56,691
that if they see me with her
again, they're gonna come back
554
00:28:56,691 --> 00:28:57,648
and fucking kill me.
555
00:29:00,042 --> 00:29:01,914
You know, later on when I
had confronted Michelle,
556
00:29:01,914 --> 00:29:04,133
she had told me that her boyfriend
557
00:29:04,133 --> 00:29:06,832
that had confronted me
earlier was actually
558
00:29:06,832 --> 00:29:08,529
in a gang called the Tenney
Street Gang
559
00:29:08,529 --> 00:29:09,791
that lived up the street.
560
00:29:11,358 --> 00:29:12,576
And I'm like, "Oh gee,
you couldn't have thought
561
00:29:12,576 --> 00:29:13,708
to tell me that before we
started dating
562
00:29:13,708 --> 00:29:15,666
that your boyfriend was in a
gang?"
563
00:29:15,666 --> 00:29:18,626
So we were taking a little
stoner snap in my bedroom,
564
00:29:19,627 --> 00:29:22,108
and I woke up to all these
screeches and screaming
565
00:29:22,108 --> 00:29:24,588
and yelling, and someone
was arguing outside.
566
00:29:24,588 --> 00:29:27,330
I had looked out this window
here in my dining room,
567
00:29:27,330 --> 00:29:28,854
and I had seen all these cars
568
00:29:28,854 --> 00:29:30,638
that had stopped in front of the house.
569
00:29:30,638 --> 00:29:34,294
And my friend Rick happened
to be standing in the yard
570
00:29:34,294 --> 00:29:36,731
and I remember him
confronting a guy right here.
571
00:29:36,731 --> 00:29:38,037
These two dudes walk up
572
00:29:38,951 --> 00:29:40,213
and they're like, Hey
man, you know Sully?"
573
00:29:40,213 --> 00:29:42,563
And I'm like, "Yeah, I
fucking know him, yeah."
574
00:29:43,607 --> 00:29:45,479
"Well, he screwing with my
girlfriend."
575
00:29:45,479 --> 00:29:46,915
And I said, "Well, that's
your problem, man."
576
00:29:46,915 --> 00:29:48,395
I said, "If you got an issue
577
00:29:48,395 --> 00:29:49,396
with Sully, you take care
of it in the street."
578
00:29:49,396 --> 00:29:50,919
And he opens up the gate
579
00:29:50,919 --> 00:29:53,922
and he says, "Nah, we're
gonna take care of it now."
580
00:29:53,922 --> 00:29:54,836
And I says, "You ain't
going in the house,'
581
00:29:54,836 --> 00:29:56,316
and I hit the motherfucker
582
00:29:56,316 --> 00:29:58,100
and I went on top of the other guy.
583
00:29:58,971 --> 00:30:00,668
So the next thing you know,
these cars are pulling up.
584
00:30:00,668 --> 00:30:02,975
And then they all
started jumping on him.
585
00:30:02,975 --> 00:30:06,282
And there was this big,
crazy brawl going on
586
00:30:06,282 --> 00:30:07,544
in front of my house.
587
00:30:08,458 --> 00:30:10,896
They were throwing bottles
and coming over the fence
588
00:30:10,896 --> 00:30:13,507
and putting the arms through the windows.
589
00:30:13,507 --> 00:30:15,770
So I immediately ran back in
my bedroom
590
00:30:15,770 --> 00:30:17,206
and I grabbed a baseball bat
591
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:19,818
and I came screaming out of my bedroom
592
00:30:19,818 --> 00:30:22,516
and my mother grabbed onto my
fucking head
593
00:30:22,516 --> 00:30:25,388
and pulled me backwards through
the door.
594
00:30:25,388 --> 00:30:27,303
And she was like, "Don't
you go out there."
595
00:30:27,303 --> 00:30:29,001
And I'm thinking, what the fuck?
596
00:30:29,001 --> 00:30:32,308
Rick's getting jumped by
like 25 kids right now.
597
00:30:32,308 --> 00:30:33,527
I have to help.
598
00:30:34,441 --> 00:30:36,356
There was some kid that had
hopped over on the fence
599
00:30:36,356 --> 00:30:38,053
and in our yard at the time, it
was one
600
00:30:38,053 --> 00:30:39,707
of those old push lawnmowers.
601
00:30:39,707 --> 00:30:41,230
And the kid had it up over his head
602
00:30:41,230 --> 00:30:44,277
and he was gonna smash it
on the back of Rick's head.
603
00:30:44,277 --> 00:30:46,192
And Connie's grabbed
onto Sully apparently,
604
00:30:46,192 --> 00:30:50,065
and I hear him, "Look
out for the lawnmower,"
605
00:30:50,065 --> 00:30:52,111
and this fucking lawnmower comes flying
606
00:30:52,111 --> 00:30:53,373
over my fucking head.
607
00:30:55,766 --> 00:30:58,160
It scared me to death.
608
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,381
My brother-in-law came
down. He had a shotgun
609
00:31:01,381 --> 00:31:03,818
Once these guys seen
the shotgun, a bunch
610
00:31:03,818 --> 00:31:06,255
of those kids scattered as well.
611
00:31:06,255 --> 00:31:07,604
It was just this excessive amount
612
00:31:07,604 --> 00:31:10,303
of blood all over the front yard.
613
00:31:10,303 --> 00:31:12,783
I mean, it was psychotic. It
was chaos.
614
00:31:12,783 --> 00:31:14,350
I mean, the house was destroyed
615
00:31:15,351 --> 00:31:17,788
When the cops got there,
my uncle was talking to them
616
00:31:17,788 --> 00:31:19,660
and I had went inside.
617
00:31:19,660 --> 00:31:22,097
And I remember my mom
sitting at the kitchen table
618
00:31:22,097 --> 00:31:25,535
and she was hysterically
crying to the point
619
00:31:25,535 --> 00:31:27,668
where she couldn't catch her breath.
620
00:31:27,668 --> 00:31:29,322
It was just too intense for her.
621
00:31:30,410 --> 00:31:32,673
As the weeks went by, it just
got worse.
622
00:31:32,673 --> 00:31:37,069
It got to the point that it
was either get out of there
623
00:31:37,069 --> 00:31:38,766
or end up in the nuthouse.
624
00:31:40,159 --> 00:31:42,291
After that whole nightmare happened,
625
00:31:43,292 --> 00:31:44,815
she had a nervous breakdown.
626
00:31:45,860 --> 00:31:49,081
She was a mess and she moved us away
627
00:31:50,778 --> 00:31:53,302
and that was the last time
I ever lived in Lawrence.
628
00:31:59,830 --> 00:32:01,267
I was just done with Lawrence.
629
00:32:01,267 --> 00:32:02,921
I was so tired of getting in trouble.
630
00:32:02,921 --> 00:32:06,620
I was so tired of the fights
and the violence and the crime
631
00:32:07,534 --> 00:32:09,188
and everything else that
was really consuming me
632
00:32:09,188 --> 00:32:12,234
and taking away from this
gift that I'd been born with
633
00:32:12,234 --> 00:32:14,671
that I really wanted to pursue
even more
634
00:32:14,671 --> 00:32:17,892
so that when the opportunity
arose to go
635
00:32:18,937 --> 00:32:20,329
to Fayetteville, it wasn't
even really a decision.
636
00:32:20,329 --> 00:32:21,200
I was ready.
637
00:32:22,418 --> 00:32:25,291
I didn't have anything back in Lawrence
638
00:32:25,291 --> 00:32:28,250
so when he decided to go,
I decided to go with him.
639
00:32:29,643 --> 00:32:31,036
Once my mom decided
640
00:32:31,036 --> 00:32:32,733
that she was moving me,
she took the whole crew,
641
00:32:32,733 --> 00:32:36,041
basically everyone who was
living in my house in Lawrence.
642
00:32:36,041 --> 00:32:37,303
I had no family.
643
00:32:37,303 --> 00:32:39,435
My family was Sully and Connie
and going
644
00:32:39,435 --> 00:32:42,003
to North Carolina was
probably the best damn thing
645
00:32:42,003 --> 00:32:43,265
that ever happened to me.
646
00:32:44,963 --> 00:32:46,355
When Sully told me he was
moving down
647
00:32:46,355 --> 00:32:48,096
to North Carolina, I was heartbroken.
648
00:32:48,096 --> 00:32:50,011
I was losing my fucking best friend.
649
00:32:52,622 --> 00:32:56,017
We're talking rural Fayetteville.
650
00:32:56,017 --> 00:32:58,541
Birds are chirping in trees.
651
00:32:58,541 --> 00:33:01,936
The neighbors are like,
"Hi. Nice to meet you.
652
00:33:01,936 --> 00:33:03,329
What school did you go to?"
653
00:33:03,329 --> 00:33:04,721
And I'm like, "What?"
654
00:33:04,721 --> 00:33:06,462
The school of hard fucking
knocks, you asshole.
655
00:33:08,247 --> 00:33:11,380
I remember when I first
got to Fayetteville, I went
656
00:33:11,380 --> 00:33:15,080
to the mall to go look
for some kids my age
657
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,908
that would lead me to the music community.
658
00:33:17,908 --> 00:33:19,606
You know, I still had my long hair
659
00:33:19,606 --> 00:33:22,043
and I still looked like a musician.
660
00:33:22,043 --> 00:33:25,046
I had my tattoos and that
whole thing going on.
661
00:33:25,046 --> 00:33:26,569
I remember walking through the mall
662
00:33:26,569 --> 00:33:30,008
and I started hearing someone
heckling me from behind.
663
00:33:31,139 --> 00:33:32,749
I just ignored at first.
664
00:33:32,749 --> 00:33:34,186
And I could hear sounds of like,
"Oh, it's Eddie Van Halen,"
665
00:33:34,186 --> 00:33:36,405
or, "Oh, it's Ace Frehley,"
and blah, blah blah.
666
00:33:36,405 --> 00:33:38,929
And being raised in Lawrence, I
was taught
667
00:33:38,929 --> 00:33:41,541
to stand up for myself
and never back down.
668
00:33:41,541 --> 00:33:45,197
And so I hauled off and
punched the kid right
669
00:33:46,154 --> 00:33:47,155
in the face and I walked away.
670
00:33:47,155 --> 00:33:48,504
And as I was walking out
671
00:33:48,504 --> 00:33:50,898
of the doors, these two
sheriffs were coming in
672
00:33:50,898 --> 00:33:53,379
and within seconds I heard,
"Hey,"
673
00:33:54,684 --> 00:33:57,165
and I turned around and it was
the sheriff calling me over
674
00:33:57,165 --> 00:33:59,863
and I went to jail.
675
00:34:01,604 --> 00:34:03,041
And that was my first experience.
676
00:34:03,041 --> 00:34:04,651
Within two days of me being
in North Carolina, I had
677
00:34:04,651 --> 00:34:07,349
to call my mom from the local jail.
678
00:34:07,349 --> 00:34:08,698
She was like, "Where are you?"
679
00:34:08,698 --> 00:34:12,050
I said, 'Well, I'm in jail."
680
00:34:13,268 --> 00:34:14,617
She's like, Are you fucking
kidding me?
681
00:34:14,617 --> 00:34:15,966
We just got to this
place. What did you do?"
682
00:34:15,966 --> 00:34:18,578
Once again, you can take
the boy outta the city,
683
00:34:18,578 --> 00:34:20,014
but you can't take the city
outta the boy.
684
00:34:22,973 --> 00:34:24,279
It was near Fort Bragg,
so it's all military.
685
00:34:24,279 --> 00:34:26,020
Me and Sully had long hair
686
00:34:26,020 --> 00:34:28,849
so we'd walk into a bar
and it's all skinheads.
687
00:34:28,849 --> 00:34:30,503
So we'd hang out with the band members,
688
00:34:30,503 --> 00:34:31,808
you know, "Hey, what's up guys?"
689
00:34:31,808 --> 00:34:34,028
'Cause they didn't have
long hair, you know?
690
00:34:34,028 --> 00:34:35,682
And so it didn't last long for me.
691
00:34:35,682 --> 00:34:38,076
I was there maybe a few weeks
and I had to get out of there.
692
00:34:38,076 --> 00:34:40,643
You know, it was very lame compared
693
00:34:40,643 --> 00:34:42,819
to the exciting city life, you know.
694
00:34:44,386 --> 00:34:46,736
It was the first time I
had really seen, you know,
695
00:34:46,736 --> 00:34:48,390
a new life surfacing for me.
696
00:34:48,390 --> 00:34:52,090
And of course my first mission
was to just find musicians.
697
00:34:52,090 --> 00:34:54,831
So I found some kids that kind
of drifted
698
00:34:54,831 --> 00:34:57,269
into the mall, hanging around
the arcade
699
00:34:57,269 --> 00:34:59,662
that had long hair and
looked like musicians.
700
00:34:59,662 --> 00:35:01,577
And so I approached some
of them and one of the kids
701
00:35:01,577 --> 00:35:04,145
that I approached, his
name was Jon Robbins,
702
00:35:04,145 --> 00:35:06,191
and he was a drummer too.
703
00:35:06,191 --> 00:35:07,801
Music back then was
kind of what you had.
704
00:35:07,801 --> 00:35:10,412
That's all we did, was play
music, think about music, try
705
00:35:10,412 --> 00:35:12,066
and be better at music.
706
00:35:12,066 --> 00:35:14,112
And back in the eighties, when
you got in a band, everybody
707
00:35:14,112 --> 00:35:15,852
in the band knew the term, "make
it."
708
00:35:15,852 --> 00:35:19,117
What that meant back then was
that you got a record deal
709
00:35:19,117 --> 00:35:21,380
and the way to get a record deal,
710
00:35:21,380 --> 00:35:22,685
at least from our
understanding, you would go
711
00:35:22,685 --> 00:35:25,297
and get in a band, try
and get really good,
712
00:35:25,297 --> 00:35:29,518
and then you would go out on
the road and you would suffer.
713
00:35:29,518 --> 00:35:31,564
And then at some point,
somebody would see you
714
00:35:31,564 --> 00:35:33,740
in a big club and say, "Yeah,
we're gonna sign that band."
715
00:35:33,740 --> 00:35:34,784
We're gonna make it.
716
00:35:37,526 --> 00:35:39,006
Fewer than one half
717
00:35:39,006 --> 00:35:41,443
of 1% ever get contracts
with record companies.
718
00:35:41,443 --> 00:35:43,793
What happens to the other 99.5%
719
00:35:43,793 --> 00:35:45,708
while they're waiting for the
big break?
720
00:35:45,708 --> 00:35:47,188
Well, they play wherever
they can get anyone
721
00:35:47,188 --> 00:35:48,842
to listen to them.
722
00:35:48,842 --> 00:35:52,498
And they practice in basements
and garages across America.
723
00:35:57,764 --> 00:35:59,331
When we first moved to North Carolina,
724
00:35:59,331 --> 00:36:02,203
and Sully had joined with
this band called Meliah Kraze.
725
00:36:02,203 --> 00:36:03,857
The longhaired freaky fuckers?
Yeah.
726
00:36:03,857 --> 00:36:05,859
It was a hair band.
727
00:36:05,859 --> 00:36:06,990
We called ourselves Meliah Kraze,
728
00:36:06,990 --> 00:36:08,470
and we looked fucking ridiculous.
729
00:36:09,428 --> 00:36:10,690
You know, we were dead smack in
the middle
730
00:36:10,690 --> 00:36:12,474
of the eighties and
all that at that point.
731
00:36:12,474 --> 00:36:13,954
That music, you know,
it was big at that time.
732
00:36:13,954 --> 00:36:16,304
It was the biggest music
in the world, probably.
733
00:36:17,392 --> 00:36:18,959
They reminded me of Motley
Crue and Rat,
734
00:36:18,959 --> 00:36:21,918
which was something Sully
and I, we listened to it back
735
00:36:23,137 --> 00:36:24,617
in Lawrence, but kind of grew
past it.
736
00:36:24,617 --> 00:36:27,707
I was like, "Jesus Christ,
man, there's no way
737
00:36:27,707 --> 00:36:29,622
Sully's gonna go with
these guys," but he did.
738
00:36:29,622 --> 00:36:31,450
So I mean, it is what it is
739
00:36:31,450 --> 00:36:33,365
and that's really where it started.
740
00:36:37,673 --> 00:36:39,632
Even though we looked
like fucking a bad version
741
00:36:39,632 --> 00:36:44,550
of Twisted Sister, Meliah Kraze
was actually the first band
742
00:36:45,420 --> 00:36:46,508
that I got on the road with,
743
00:36:48,249 --> 00:36:49,642
and getting a little bit of
money for it.
744
00:36:49,642 --> 00:36:50,730
It wasn't much.
745
00:36:51,731 --> 00:36:55,822
I mean, we were playing for,
you know, beer or 50 bucks.
746
00:36:55,822 --> 00:36:57,215
We lived off of ramen noodles, oodles
747
00:36:57,215 --> 00:36:58,477
and noodles, all that stuff,
748
00:36:58,477 --> 00:37:01,131
that was like breakfast, lunch,
and dinner
749
00:37:01,131 --> 00:37:02,524
but it was only once a day.
750
00:37:04,352 --> 00:37:07,355
But we were on the road, and
that's all I cared about.
751
00:37:10,053 --> 00:37:12,708
And he started playing
around North Carolina,
752
00:37:12,708 --> 00:37:15,145
Of course, you know, mommy
would pack up the cars
753
00:37:15,145 --> 00:37:16,973
and drive the equipment.
754
00:37:16,973 --> 00:37:21,282
And I spent my life
delivering drums to the world.
755
00:37:23,502 --> 00:37:25,547
I was, you know, starting to
really live
756
00:37:25,547 --> 00:37:27,767
that lifestyle as a musician
757
00:37:27,767 --> 00:37:30,900
and the partying, the drinking.
758
00:37:30,900 --> 00:37:32,859
It was also,
759
00:37:32,859 --> 00:37:37,820
when I first started really
getting a lot deeper into coke.
760
00:37:37,820 --> 00:37:40,127
I had met this girl named Arlene
761
00:37:41,128 --> 00:37:44,000
and I remember that we were
in our apartment one weekend
762
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:48,091
and we went through a bag of
coke that was probably like
763
00:37:48,091 --> 00:37:53,096
that big and it was cigarettes
and coke and beer and coke
764
00:37:54,228 --> 00:37:55,795
and this went on for three days.
765
00:37:55,795 --> 00:37:59,625
Finally, we realized that
we were doing too much coke
766
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:02,236
and when you have that much cocaine
767
00:38:02,236 --> 00:38:04,630
in your system, it's just
brutal coming off of it.
768
00:38:04,630 --> 00:38:08,286
And it was the night that
changed my life
769
00:38:08,286 --> 00:38:12,159
because I guess I had in the middle
770
00:38:12,159 --> 00:38:17,120
of the night started choking on
my uvula,
771
00:38:17,512 --> 00:38:18,861
which is the little thing
772
00:38:18,861 --> 00:38:20,298
that dangles in the back of your throat.
773
00:38:20,298 --> 00:38:23,605
It had swollen up to
the size of like a plum
774
00:38:23,605 --> 00:38:24,867
and I had swallowed it.
775
00:38:25,868 --> 00:38:28,262
And I don't remember this part,
776
00:38:28,262 --> 00:38:31,396
but Arlene thankfully was there
next to me
777
00:38:31,396 --> 00:38:34,747
and she heard me choking and
woke me up.
778
00:38:36,270 --> 00:38:39,926
And I remember literally having
to pull it out of my throat
779
00:38:39,926 --> 00:38:42,668
because it got lodged back there
780
00:38:42,668 --> 00:38:45,366
and I was that close to death.
781
00:38:46,324 --> 00:38:48,978
And if Arlene wasn't there
782
00:38:48,978 --> 00:38:51,677
to wake me up, I would've
died in my sleep.
783
00:38:51,677 --> 00:38:55,768
And it scared me so bad, I quit
doing coke
784
00:38:55,768 --> 00:38:59,206
and any kind of hard drug forever.
785
00:38:59,206 --> 00:39:01,251
And I was 21 years old,
786
00:39:01,251 --> 00:39:03,341
and I had never touched a drug again.
787
00:39:19,574 --> 00:39:22,708
Right around the time Meliah
Kraze was breaking up, one day
788
00:39:22,708 --> 00:39:26,059
when we were doing a
club and the sound man,
789
00:39:26,059 --> 00:39:29,236
who was named Todd Jackson,
he'd seen me play that night
790
00:39:29,236 --> 00:39:31,151
and he approached me.
791
00:39:31,151 --> 00:39:32,848
I was in a band called Lexx Luthor,
792
00:39:32,848 --> 00:39:35,634
and we needed a drummer at the time.
793
00:39:35,634 --> 00:39:38,637
So we brought Sully in for an audition
794
00:39:38,637 --> 00:39:42,554
and it was amazing to play with
a drummer
795
00:39:42,554 --> 00:39:45,687
with that much precision,
as fast as he could play
796
00:39:45,687 --> 00:39:48,298
and still be precise.
797
00:40:00,354 --> 00:40:02,138
See, I remember the bass player,
798
00:40:02,138 --> 00:40:04,706
Robert and I, we walked out back.
799
00:40:04,706 --> 00:40:06,229
We're standing there
taking a piss together,
800
00:40:06,229 --> 00:40:07,970
and Robert looks at me
801
00:40:07,970 --> 00:40:11,844
and he goes, "Man, Sully's
good."
802
00:40:13,454 --> 00:40:15,848
So he was in the band after that.
803
00:40:19,112 --> 00:40:22,594
It was for me, a step
above where I wanted to be
804
00:40:22,594 --> 00:40:25,423
and I felt like it was
much more at my level.
805
00:40:25,423 --> 00:40:27,686
And that really became my obsession
806
00:40:27,686 --> 00:40:29,383
at that point was now I'm
starting
807
00:40:30,384 --> 00:40:32,342
to think this is about
writing our own music
808
00:40:32,342 --> 00:40:34,301
and trying to get a
record label interested
809
00:40:34,301 --> 00:40:36,434
so we could do this
for a living, for real.
810
00:40:38,610 --> 00:40:40,612
We wanted to get signed.
We wanted a record deal.
811
00:40:40,612 --> 00:40:42,570
And we wanted to write original tunes.
812
00:40:43,441 --> 00:40:45,268
We knew what we were gonna
have to do to get there.
813
00:40:45,268 --> 00:40:47,575
We were gonna have to
give up a lot to do it.
814
00:40:47,575 --> 00:40:49,098
Sully was more than willing
815
00:40:49,098 --> 00:40:52,624
to give up whatever it
took to get to that point.
816
00:40:57,324 --> 00:40:58,804
Todd started telling me
817
00:40:58,804 --> 00:41:02,024
about this kid named Shannon Larkin,
818
00:41:02,024 --> 00:41:06,202
that was supposedly this really
great drummer in the area
819
00:41:06,202 --> 00:41:08,422
that played with a band called Wrathchild.
820
00:41:15,821 --> 00:41:18,171
So one day we went to
this club called The Attic,
821
00:41:18,171 --> 00:41:21,261
and Wrathchild came on stage.
822
00:41:22,523 --> 00:41:24,917
And I remember watching this kid
come out
823
00:41:24,917 --> 00:41:28,660
from behind the drums and my
fucking jaw hit the floor.
824
00:41:28,660 --> 00:41:32,446
I had never seen a drummer, so animated
825
00:41:32,446 --> 00:41:35,275
and such a great live performer
826
00:41:35,275 --> 00:41:38,931
and his showmanship was by
far the best I've ever seen.
827
00:41:39,801 --> 00:41:41,368
It was like he was making
love to the drum set.
828
00:41:41,368 --> 00:41:44,023
And at one point I started
thinking, I'm gonna go home
829
00:41:44,023 --> 00:41:45,590
and literally take my drums
830
00:41:45,590 --> 00:41:47,374
and throw 'em right through
the fucking wood chipper.
831
00:41:47,374 --> 00:41:48,941
Like, I don't even want
to play drums anymore.
832
00:41:48,941 --> 00:41:50,856
This is ridiculous,
what this kid was doing
833
00:41:50,856 --> 00:41:52,205
behind the drum set.
834
00:41:52,205 --> 00:41:54,250
From that point on, it
changed the whole way
835
00:41:54,250 --> 00:41:56,209
I looked at drums,
836
00:41:56,209 --> 00:41:58,951
I saw Sully, and he
kicked ass on the drums.
837
00:41:58,951 --> 00:42:01,344
We pretty much formed a fast friendship
838
00:42:01,344 --> 00:42:05,261
that continued all the way up
till now.
839
00:42:06,785 --> 00:42:08,438
Yeah, I think you have
to really get into it
840
00:42:08,438 --> 00:42:09,962
to be like a heavy metal band.
841
00:42:11,398 --> 00:42:12,834
And that, that's what I like to see
842
00:42:12,834 --> 00:42:14,357
when I walk into the club
843
00:42:14,357 --> 00:42:15,837
'cause you can feel the
energy flowing off the stage.
844
00:42:15,837 --> 00:42:19,058
It's like, ugh.
845
00:42:19,058 --> 00:42:21,364
Shannon showed me showmanship,
846
00:42:21,364 --> 00:42:23,976
and to me, that was
elevated to another level.
847
00:42:23,976 --> 00:42:26,239
So now I needed to incorporate everything
848
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,590
that I knew about drumming
and be visually great.
849
00:42:29,590 --> 00:42:34,247
And I ripped him off. I
fucking stole all his shit.
850
00:42:34,247 --> 00:42:36,162
I started swinging fucking hands.
851
00:42:36,162 --> 00:42:37,467
But I don't feel so bad now
852
00:42:37,467 --> 00:42:40,209
because I've learned throughout
the years
853
00:42:40,209 --> 00:42:42,385
that almost every drummer
854
00:42:42,385 --> 00:42:45,127
in rock has ripped off Shannon Larkin.
855
00:42:59,489 --> 00:43:02,492
At one point we found a new singer,
856
00:43:02,492 --> 00:43:03,929
and his name was Dennis Bauer.
857
00:43:03,929 --> 00:43:07,889
I had drove with him and
his wife to rehearsal.
858
00:43:07,889 --> 00:43:12,894
And on the way back from rehearsal
that night, I had started
859
00:43:13,547 --> 00:43:15,941
to get this weird sensation in
my chest,
860
00:43:15,941 --> 00:43:19,379
and my left arm started to
go numb and I felt this pain
861
00:43:19,379 --> 00:43:21,511
and my hand started tingling.
862
00:43:21,511 --> 00:43:24,036
And the more I thought about
it, the more nervous I got.
863
00:43:24,036 --> 00:43:26,691
And he could see something was
going on.
864
00:43:26,691 --> 00:43:28,518
And he asked me if I was okay
865
00:43:28,518 --> 00:43:29,824
and I said, "You know, I don't
think so."
866
00:43:33,045 --> 00:43:34,655
Dennis had called me
867
00:43:34,655 --> 00:43:36,004
and he said, "Man," he said,
"Something's up with Sully.
868
00:43:36,004 --> 00:43:39,399
You know, he is just
not doing real great."
869
00:43:42,663 --> 00:43:44,230
Next thing you know, I'm
sitting
870
00:43:44,230 --> 00:43:46,406
in an emergency room, wired
up to all these electrodes
871
00:43:46,406 --> 00:43:48,800
and machines and wondering
what's going on
872
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:50,453
and looking at these white lights
873
00:43:50,453 --> 00:43:52,934
and thinking, you know, am I
gonna die?
874
00:43:52,934 --> 00:43:56,372
And at one point I started
thinking, man, am I gonna be one
875
00:43:56,372 --> 00:43:57,983
of these unfortunate kids that
876
00:43:57,983 --> 00:43:59,811
at the age of 21 has a heart
attack?
877
00:43:59,811 --> 00:44:03,292
And they started to run some
EKGs on me
878
00:44:04,729 --> 00:44:07,122
and trying to find out
what the problem was.
879
00:44:07,122 --> 00:44:10,822
But every test they ran, there
was no signs of anything.
880
00:44:10,822 --> 00:44:13,259
They're like, "Your heart's
strong,
881
00:44:13,259 --> 00:44:17,524
your blood pressure's
good, and we don't know."
882
00:44:17,524 --> 00:44:18,656
And so I remember going home
883
00:44:18,656 --> 00:44:20,048
that night and I was really confused
884
00:44:20,048 --> 00:44:23,008
because something weird
had happened to me,
885
00:44:23,008 --> 00:44:25,575
and there was no proof of it.
886
00:44:25,575 --> 00:44:28,666
They're telling me it's anxiety,
887
00:44:28,666 --> 00:44:31,146
and I didn't know what
the fuck anxiety was.
888
00:44:31,146 --> 00:44:34,933
That really started a
series of events in my life
889
00:44:34,933 --> 00:44:37,326
that changed my life to this day.
890
00:44:39,067 --> 00:44:41,766
There was times where these
anxiety attacks would hit me
891
00:44:41,766 --> 00:44:44,377
when I'd be in the middle
of a club hanging out
892
00:44:44,377 --> 00:44:46,945
with my friends, or I'd be
here or there in public.
893
00:44:46,945 --> 00:44:49,295
And I remember it started to
bother me
894
00:44:49,295 --> 00:44:51,863
so much that I stopped going out
895
00:44:51,863 --> 00:44:54,692
and I started alienating
myself from my friends.
896
00:44:54,692 --> 00:44:58,260
He would stay downstairs
off to his self more.
897
00:44:59,261 --> 00:45:00,567
He was just more secluded.
898
00:45:00,567 --> 00:45:02,395
He didn't wanna be around a lot
of people.
899
00:45:02,395 --> 00:45:05,746
I do remember Sully being
extremely edgy
900
00:45:05,746 --> 00:45:08,401
to get outta North Carolina.
901
00:45:08,401 --> 00:45:09,619
He wanted a way to get out.
902
00:45:10,708 --> 00:45:12,187
I couldn't stay in North Carolina.
903
00:45:12,187 --> 00:45:15,016
It was just a place that was
becoming very dark to me.
904
00:45:15,016 --> 00:45:19,151
I wasn't really playing
music anymore at that time.
905
00:45:19,151 --> 00:45:21,588
I couldn't find any good
memories there anymore.
906
00:45:42,174 --> 00:45:44,524
You know, I always try
to get in touch with him.
907
00:45:44,524 --> 00:45:46,178
And one of the things over here
908
00:45:46,178 --> 00:45:50,530
that it was hard for me is when
he didn't answer, you know.
909
00:45:50,530 --> 00:45:55,535
So obviously, you know, I
miss him when he's away, okay.
910
00:45:56,623 --> 00:45:58,190
I wish I could have him more,
911
00:45:58,190 --> 00:46:00,366
but he also needed his freedom.
912
00:46:00,366 --> 00:46:03,325
And to me, he was never gone
913
00:46:03,325 --> 00:46:05,719
because he was always on my mind.
914
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:06,764
It was hard.
915
00:46:07,721 --> 00:46:09,592
It was very hard for me
916
00:46:09,592 --> 00:46:12,944
to accept the fact that he's
gone away
917
00:46:12,944 --> 00:46:15,207
because I always wanted
him over here, you know.
918
00:46:18,384 --> 00:46:22,910
Sully stayed down here
for I think three years
919
00:46:22,910 --> 00:46:26,348
and decided he was gonna
go back to Lawrence.
920
00:46:26,348 --> 00:46:28,046
I wasn't happy about it,
921
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,266
but he had grown up a little bit more.
922
00:46:31,266 --> 00:46:34,226
And I think seeing maybe the way
life was
923
00:46:34,226 --> 00:46:38,621
down here, he wouldn't go back
to Lawrence
924
00:46:38,621 --> 00:46:43,626
and get back into that rough
area that we lived through.
925
00:46:46,673 --> 00:46:48,196
And so I talked to Jon Robbins
one day
926
00:46:48,196 --> 00:46:50,242
and I'm like, "Hey man, what
do you think about coming
927
00:46:50,242 --> 00:46:51,199
to check out Boston?
928
00:46:51,199 --> 00:46:52,287
You know, I thought it'd be cool
929
00:46:52,287 --> 00:46:53,245
to have a friend from down
there."
930
00:46:53,245 --> 00:46:55,160
Boston sounded exciting to me.
931
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:57,510
It was a big city and a new scene
932
00:46:57,510 --> 00:47:00,513
and maybe we could make it there.
933
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:05,823
There was a
scene happening in Boston.
934
00:47:05,823 --> 00:47:07,737
You know, Boston's been
known over the years
935
00:47:08,782 --> 00:47:10,915
to have birthed a lot of great bands.
936
00:47:10,915 --> 00:47:12,873
And the scene comes and goes.
937
00:47:12,873 --> 00:47:14,962
And this was one of those times
938
00:47:14,962 --> 00:47:16,790
where it was just starting
to light up again.
939
00:47:16,790 --> 00:47:18,444
There was a lot of cool
bands playing in the clubs
940
00:47:18,444 --> 00:47:20,533
and it was a good time for music.
941
00:47:20,533 --> 00:47:24,102
♪ I'm shipping up to Boston,
whoa ♪
942
00:47:24,102 --> 00:47:28,889
♪ I'm shipping off to find my
wooden leg ♪
943
00:47:29,934 --> 00:47:32,153
So the cheapest way,
and the only way for me
944
00:47:33,198 --> 00:47:34,503
and Sully to get to Boston, Massachusetts
945
00:47:34,503 --> 00:47:37,376
from Fayetteville, North
Carolina, is on a train.
946
00:47:38,856 --> 00:47:40,379
Yeah, I'd never been
on a train before for one.
947
00:47:40,379 --> 00:47:42,598
We start out happy,
smiling, it's a great idea.
948
00:47:42,598 --> 00:47:44,774
It's a big adventure, it's gonna
be great.
949
00:47:44,774 --> 00:47:47,995
And it was an 18
and a half hour ride of hell.
950
00:47:47,995 --> 00:47:49,910
This is not fun.
951
00:47:49,910 --> 00:47:51,781
This was not a good idea
as far as the travel goes.
952
00:47:51,781 --> 00:47:55,046
And it was hot and it
was smelly
953
00:47:55,046 --> 00:47:58,658
and it just felt like it took
forever to get back to Boston.
954
00:47:59,659 --> 00:48:01,356
But finally we arrived and I was
so happy
955
00:48:01,356 --> 00:48:05,186
to see the skyline and get off
that train.
956
00:48:07,972 --> 00:48:10,235
When we got to Boston, we
had to have a place to stay.
957
00:48:10,235 --> 00:48:12,672
So we stayed with Sully's
sister, Maria,
958
00:48:12,672 --> 00:48:16,850
I had a little duplex, so
he came and lived with me.
959
00:48:16,850 --> 00:48:18,417
I was a manager of a big retail
chain here
960
00:48:18,417 --> 00:48:21,768
and I got him a job and his
friend a job
961
00:48:22,725 --> 00:48:25,250
and he would get me in a
little trouble at work.
962
00:48:26,164 --> 00:48:28,166
Sully's looking for bands.
963
00:48:28,166 --> 00:48:29,558
He's trying to find people to
play with.
964
00:48:29,558 --> 00:48:30,995
I couldn't find anybody to play with.
965
00:48:30,995 --> 00:48:32,431
I didn't quite fit in
all the way out there.
966
00:48:32,431 --> 00:48:34,346
Jon, he didn't stay
too long
967
00:48:34,346 --> 00:48:36,174
and he ended up splitting,
968
00:48:36,174 --> 00:48:38,089
so it was just kind of me and my sister.
969
00:48:38,089 --> 00:48:40,700
But the thing that came back
970
00:48:40,700 --> 00:48:43,921
to haunt me pretty quickly
was the anxiety attacks.
971
00:48:43,921 --> 00:48:47,794
Sully would have these panic
attacks, anxiety attacks,
972
00:48:47,794 --> 00:48:49,274
whatever you wanna call 'em.
973
00:48:49,274 --> 00:48:50,928
He would just get so worked up.
974
00:48:50,928 --> 00:48:52,364
I took him to the hospital
975
00:48:52,364 --> 00:48:54,627
because he thought he
was having a heart attack
976
00:48:54,627 --> 00:48:56,150
and he would freak out like
977
00:48:56,150 --> 00:48:57,935
he'd been thinking he was gonna die.
978
00:48:59,849 --> 00:49:02,765
And as time went on, the
attacks got more violent.
979
00:49:03,853 --> 00:49:05,768
They got scarier.
980
00:49:05,768 --> 00:49:08,162
Once again, I found myself in
and out
981
00:49:08,162 --> 00:49:10,948
of emergency rooms over and over again.
982
00:49:10,948 --> 00:49:14,125
I found myself being carried
into an emergency room
983
00:49:14,125 --> 00:49:16,779
at one point by my
sister over her shoulder
984
00:49:16,779 --> 00:49:19,086
because I couldn't even stand up.
985
00:49:19,086 --> 00:49:20,914
I couldn't walk. I just
was completely out of it.
986
00:49:20,914 --> 00:49:23,090
And the doctor actually said,
987
00:49:23,090 --> 00:49:25,440
"You know, this stuff can kill
you one day
988
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:27,051
if you continue this."
989
00:49:28,574 --> 00:49:30,097
I never forgot those words.
990
00:49:30,097 --> 00:49:32,404
And at that point is when I started
991
00:49:32,404 --> 00:49:35,102
to put together a plan
to battle the anxiety,
992
00:49:36,103 --> 00:49:38,105
because I needed something
to distract my thoughts.
993
00:49:38,105 --> 00:49:40,934
My mind was becoming my worst enemy.
994
00:49:40,934 --> 00:49:44,155
And so I forced myself to
be in public situations.
995
00:49:44,155 --> 00:49:47,985
I forced myself to get
involved in music again.
996
00:49:54,513 --> 00:49:56,297
I also, you know, had reconnected
997
00:49:56,297 --> 00:49:59,300
with some of my older friends.
998
00:50:00,606 --> 00:50:03,000
When he came back around,
it was like a renewed energy
999
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,785
and we picked up right where we
left off
1000
00:50:05,785 --> 00:50:08,527
because we were always
tight like brothers.
1001
00:50:08,527 --> 00:50:10,920
Yeah, I knew I'd see him again someday.
1002
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:13,010
Even if he was gone
1003
00:50:13,010 --> 00:50:15,099
for 10 years, once he came
back, we could pick right up
1004
00:50:15,099 --> 00:50:16,317
where we left off.
1005
00:50:16,317 --> 00:50:18,363
♪ Put a little tiny man in your
butt ♪
1006
00:50:18,363 --> 00:50:20,234
♪ Put a tin can in your butt
1007
00:50:20,234 --> 00:50:22,323
♪ Say it, put everything in your
butt ♪
1008
00:50:22,323 --> 00:50:23,368
♪ Everybody's singing now
1009
00:50:23,368 --> 00:50:27,720
♪ In your butt
1010
00:50:27,720 --> 00:50:29,374
♪ Put the boogie in your butt
1011
00:50:29,374 --> 00:50:31,898
I slowly got
further and further apart
1012
00:50:31,898 --> 00:50:33,856
from the anxiety attacks.
1013
00:50:33,856 --> 00:50:35,684
Little by little, it
was just getting me back
1014
00:50:35,684 --> 00:50:37,643
to feeling like me again.
1015
00:50:46,826 --> 00:50:50,438
And finally I was finding a path again
1016
00:50:50,438 --> 00:50:53,093
through, you know, some really
good friends and my music.
1017
00:50:57,489 --> 00:50:59,230
He ended up into a band
called The Fighting Cocks,
1018
00:50:59,230 --> 00:51:02,189
which was really difficult to
try to book
1019
00:51:02,189 --> 00:51:04,757
when you had to put that
on a marquees somewhere.
1020
00:51:04,757 --> 00:51:07,281
They were really dirty
Boston Street guys.
1021
00:51:07,281 --> 00:51:10,067
I felt like I was getting
closer to my comfort zone again.
1022
00:51:10,067 --> 00:51:12,939
And I've always loved Boston.
I loved the streets of Boston.
1023
00:51:12,939 --> 00:51:15,376
I loved it because it's
where Aerosmith came from.
1024
00:51:15,376 --> 00:51:17,683
And so I was psyched to
kind of get into the streets
1025
00:51:17,683 --> 00:51:19,424
of Boston and be in a basement right
1026
00:51:19,424 --> 00:51:23,167
in downtown Boston, playing
with a rock and roll band.
1027
00:51:23,167 --> 00:51:25,473
And I joined the band.
1028
00:51:26,648 --> 00:51:30,478
I was back on the map
as a drummer in Boston
1029
00:51:30,478 --> 00:51:32,872
and making a name for myself.
1030
00:51:32,872 --> 00:51:34,265
And I thought that was really important
1031
00:51:34,265 --> 00:51:36,136
because there was a scene
happening in Boston.
1032
00:51:36,136 --> 00:51:39,792
It was the early nineties and
it was a good time for music.
1033
00:51:39,792 --> 00:51:44,449
And I had met Paul Geary
and he was just coming
1034
00:51:44,449 --> 00:51:46,494
into the height of his career.
1035
00:51:46,494 --> 00:51:48,061
He was the drummer for
a band called Extreme.
1036
00:51:49,018 --> 00:51:50,629
Sully, he'd come to my house
1037
00:51:50,629 --> 00:51:52,239
and you know, when I was off tour
1038
00:51:53,414 --> 00:51:55,808
and we hit it off right
away, became friends.
1039
00:51:56,722 --> 00:51:58,941
And I was just starstruck by Paul
1040
00:51:58,941 --> 00:52:01,553
because man, they were big
time as far as I was concerned.
1041
00:52:01,553 --> 00:52:06,166
I had never been around a
celebrity that big at that time.
1042
00:52:06,166 --> 00:52:08,255
I was just so mesmerized by
these guys.
1043
00:52:08,255 --> 00:52:10,692
They were so polished and so good.
1044
00:52:15,393 --> 00:52:16,655
After I was with the Fighting Cocks
1045
00:52:16,655 --> 00:52:19,745
for a while, I had actually
gotten a call
1046
00:52:19,745 --> 00:52:23,444
from the management company
of a band called Meliah Rage,
1047
00:52:23,444 --> 00:52:25,490
who were signed with Epic Records.
1048
00:52:28,667 --> 00:52:31,191
They were really heavy
metal, like a Metallica.
1049
00:52:31,191 --> 00:52:34,151
And it was an opportunity
for me to possibly get
1050
00:52:34,151 --> 00:52:37,545
into a band that was
signed with a record label.
1051
00:52:38,459 --> 00:52:40,853
Michael
Munro, the lead singer,
1052
00:52:40,853 --> 00:52:43,725
Meliah Rage, Master Vader.
1053
00:52:43,725 --> 00:52:45,945
When he joined Meliah
Rage, it was different.
1054
00:52:45,945 --> 00:52:47,947
It was an established band.
1055
00:52:47,947 --> 00:52:49,949
They already had a record or two out.
1056
00:52:49,949 --> 00:52:51,298
Not that they were phenomenal
and big,
1057
00:52:51,298 --> 00:52:53,909
but they were established.
1058
00:52:53,909 --> 00:52:55,259
And once again, we went out
1059
00:52:55,259 --> 00:52:57,304
and hit the club circuit.
1060
00:52:57,304 --> 00:52:59,001
We were playing everywhere
that we could get a gig.
1061
00:52:59,001 --> 00:53:00,612
They had a following already.
1062
00:53:01,526 --> 00:53:03,441
You know, there was real people
coming to see these shows.
1063
00:53:03,441 --> 00:53:05,356
I was really happy to be in that band.
1064
00:53:16,497 --> 00:53:18,282
That really pushed me further
and further
1065
00:53:18,282 --> 00:53:23,200
into getting away from
normalcy as I knew it
1066
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:27,204
and getting back into my
fantasy land, which was music
1067
00:53:27,204 --> 00:53:28,814
'cause that was always my go-to.
1068
00:53:28,814 --> 00:53:31,208
Anytime something knocked me down,
1069
00:53:31,208 --> 00:53:35,560
it seemed like music became
this vehicle to heal me
1070
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:37,779
and distract me and make me feel better
1071
00:53:37,779 --> 00:53:40,173
'cause when I'm on stage,
I don't think about shit.
1072
00:53:40,173 --> 00:53:42,523
It doesn't matter what just happened.
1073
00:53:42,523 --> 00:53:44,656
When I'm on stage, I go
somewhere else
1074
00:53:44,656 --> 00:53:49,313
and my music consumes me and
I lose myself in the music
1075
00:53:49,313 --> 00:53:51,445
and everything goes away just for
1076
00:53:51,445 --> 00:53:53,969
that small amount of time I'm on stage.
1077
00:53:59,366 --> 00:54:01,412
Yeah, Meliah Rage, that was a
good time.
1078
00:54:02,413 --> 00:54:06,808
It was a life of a miniature
rock and roller.
1079
00:54:12,031 --> 00:54:14,338
We decided to go to a strip club
1080
00:54:14,338 --> 00:54:19,299
and on stage was this amazing
looking girl named Lisa.
1081
00:54:20,866 --> 00:54:22,128
And I was just like
1082
00:54:26,698 --> 00:54:28,482
About that time he met this
girl, Lisa,
1083
00:54:28,482 --> 00:54:29,831
who was a stripper.
1084
00:54:29,831 --> 00:54:31,180
He got in deep fast.
1085
00:54:31,180 --> 00:54:32,617
Always together.
1086
00:54:32,617 --> 00:54:34,401
It was like instantly
they weren't apart at all.
1087
00:54:34,401 --> 00:54:35,837
She was quite the package.
1088
00:54:35,837 --> 00:54:37,317
She was every bit as
crazy as she was pretty,
1089
00:54:37,317 --> 00:54:38,405
that's for sure.
1090
00:54:38,405 --> 00:54:42,322
Just don't date strippers.
1091
00:54:44,368 --> 00:54:46,457
Went very quickly,
very fast
1092
00:54:46,457 --> 00:54:48,459
and I was crazy about this girl.
1093
00:55:01,646 --> 00:55:02,473
I'll pass.
1094
00:55:16,530 --> 00:55:17,836
Right around that same time,
1095
00:55:17,836 --> 00:55:20,926
I actually found myself
looking for work again
1096
00:55:22,014 --> 00:55:23,276
and I was struggling for money,
you know.
1097
00:55:23,276 --> 00:55:25,322
I didn't wanna live
with my sister anymore.
1098
00:55:25,322 --> 00:55:28,063
It was just too much the
responsibility for her carrying me.
1099
00:55:28,063 --> 00:55:31,850
So I had moved out and I
just kind of used my van
1100
00:55:31,850 --> 00:55:36,768
to house myself with a
blanket until Fro took me in.
1101
00:55:39,814 --> 00:55:41,860
So he came back from tour, had
no job,
1102
00:55:41,860 --> 00:55:43,470
had no place to live.
1103
00:55:43,470 --> 00:55:45,951
That's when I said, "Dude,
move in with me. I live alone.
1104
00:55:45,951 --> 00:55:47,953
You can stay at my house
as long as you want.
1105
00:55:47,953 --> 00:55:50,390
It doesn't matter. I don't
have to worry about rent.
1106
00:55:50,390 --> 00:55:51,173
Fucking, I got it covered."
1107
00:55:52,697 --> 00:55:54,655
He had this cool place
set up
1108
00:55:54,655 --> 00:55:56,657
above this restaurant called
the Cafe' 97 in Haverhill.
1109
00:55:56,657 --> 00:55:59,356
The restaurant would close
like around one o'clock
1110
00:55:59,356 --> 00:56:01,270
so he could actually
play his drums as loud
1111
00:56:01,270 --> 00:56:02,620
as he wanted and wouldn't bother anybody
1112
00:56:02,620 --> 00:56:04,317
'cause there was no houses
around nothing.
1113
00:56:09,148 --> 00:56:10,410
We were hanging out there so much
1114
00:56:10,410 --> 00:56:12,020
on the weekends, partying every weekend
1115
00:56:12,020 --> 00:56:14,501
that it was just the to-go
place.
1116
00:56:14,501 --> 00:56:16,982
Like no one even had to
know or call each other
1117
00:56:16,982 --> 00:56:18,897
and say, what are we doing
after work on a Friday?
1118
00:56:18,897 --> 00:56:21,856
Everybody would just
know to go Fro's house.
1119
00:56:21,856 --> 00:56:23,467
Waiting for the sink bomb
tournaments to start.
1120
00:56:23,467 --> 00:56:28,428
We have contestant one,
Jimmy Mustapha from Turkey.
1121
00:56:28,428 --> 00:56:30,952
So it was a really fun hang place.
1122
00:56:32,519 --> 00:56:33,259
And I think that was the
first time I started noodling
1123
00:56:33,259 --> 00:56:35,043
around on a piano too.
1124
00:56:35,043 --> 00:56:37,742
It was also the place
that I helped write some
1125
00:56:37,742 --> 00:56:40,919
of the Meliah Rage songs
that we were working on.
1126
00:56:40,919 --> 00:56:43,356
But I had learned soon after I
joined them
1127
00:56:43,356 --> 00:56:45,663
that they weren't signed
with Epic Records after all.
1128
00:56:45,663 --> 00:56:48,100
They used to be signed with Epic Records
1129
00:56:48,100 --> 00:56:49,928
and they were looking for a deal again.
1130
00:56:49,928 --> 00:56:53,410
And I'm like, fuck, I
thought I got there, man.
1131
00:56:53,410 --> 00:56:55,934
I thought I snuck my
way into a signed band
1132
00:56:55,934 --> 00:56:57,501
and I was gonna be more like Shannon
1133
00:56:57,501 --> 00:56:58,980
and playing the circuit again
1134
00:57:02,114 --> 00:57:03,463
and it wasn't that.
1135
00:57:03,463 --> 00:57:05,813
I stuck it out with them
for as long as I could,
1136
00:57:05,813 --> 00:57:09,643
but I just didn't see it
was gonna go anywhere.
1137
00:57:12,124 --> 00:57:14,256
But I didn't want to quit either,
1138
00:57:14,256 --> 00:57:17,172
because I really loved these
guys and they were great.
1139
00:57:24,745 --> 00:57:28,140
He always thought I didn't
support him.
1140
00:57:31,796 --> 00:57:34,233
And I remembered, you
know, he called me up
1141
00:57:34,233 --> 00:57:35,626
and I had to send him, I believe
1142
00:57:35,626 --> 00:57:38,498
at that time, I had sent
him something over there
1143
00:57:38,498 --> 00:57:41,109
because he didn't have no place
to go
1144
00:57:41,109 --> 00:57:42,676
and he didn't really have a job.
1145
00:57:42,676 --> 00:57:45,723
So I said, "Sully, being a
musician, I'm not doing this
1146
00:57:45,723 --> 00:57:47,202
as a living, I'm doing this more
1147
00:57:47,202 --> 00:57:48,769
for fun than anything else."
1148
00:57:49,770 --> 00:57:52,817
'Cause the music business,
there's very few people
1149
00:57:52,817 --> 00:57:55,515
that make it to the big time.
1150
00:57:59,345 --> 00:58:00,651
There's very few people.
1151
00:58:00,651 --> 00:58:01,782
So I said, "Sully, you know,"
1152
00:58:01,782 --> 00:58:03,131
I said, "It's okay to get a job just
1153
00:58:03,131 --> 00:58:04,655
in case it doesn't work out."
1154
00:58:05,699 --> 00:58:07,484
Well, he thought, you're
not supporting me.
1155
00:58:08,833 --> 00:58:10,661
That's not what I meant.
1156
00:58:10,661 --> 00:58:12,140
I tried to explain that to him,
1157
00:58:12,140 --> 00:58:14,621
but in his mind, it was,
I wasn't supporting him
1158
00:58:14,621 --> 00:58:17,842
because I didn't say, you know,
"Yeah, great, keep going."
1159
00:58:27,286 --> 00:58:29,462
He called me once and he
said, "If I don't make it
1160
00:58:29,462 --> 00:58:33,901
in another year, I'm giving it
up and I'm gonna get a job."
1161
00:58:33,901 --> 00:58:36,164
And I said, "You know
what? Just have patience.
1162
00:58:36,164 --> 00:58:38,340
It's going to happen."
1163
00:58:38,340 --> 00:58:41,300
And I always told him right
along, it's going to happen.
1164
00:58:46,174 --> 00:58:48,525
There was a band
in Boston called Strip Mind
1165
00:58:48,525 --> 00:58:52,703
that had just signed a deal
with Warner Reprise Records.
1166
00:58:56,141 --> 00:58:57,534
I believe at the time
1167
00:58:57,534 --> 00:58:59,536
that Sully was playing with
Meliah Rage
1168
00:59:01,494 --> 00:59:05,019
and through a local manager, he
found out
1169
00:59:05,019 --> 00:59:06,368
that we were auditioning.
1170
00:59:06,368 --> 00:59:08,240
And so he shows up and I meet him
1171
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:11,156
and it seems like just
like a crazy townie guy,
1172
00:59:11,156 --> 00:59:12,505
but he's a metalhead too.
1173
00:59:13,419 --> 00:59:17,162
So I'm like, this is good
because I can relate with that.
1174
00:59:17,162 --> 00:59:18,642
That's me, you know.
1175
00:59:18,642 --> 00:59:19,947
I'm like, "Oh, let me
help you with your drums."
1176
00:59:19,947 --> 00:59:22,297
And we go out and he has
this total shitbox van
1177
00:59:22,297 --> 00:59:24,865
and opens the back door, jumps in
1178
00:59:24,865 --> 00:59:27,215
and starts fucking
kicking his fucking drums
1179
00:59:27,215 --> 00:59:30,262
out the back like kick
drum and it goes rolling.
1180
00:59:33,134 --> 00:59:35,136
And I remember the guitar
player just going like,
1181
00:59:35,136 --> 00:59:37,008
"What the fuck?"
1182
00:59:37,008 --> 00:59:38,531
Because I don't think he had
ever seen
1183
00:59:38,531 --> 00:59:39,924
anyone treat a musical
instrument like that.
1184
00:59:39,924 --> 00:59:41,490
But I was like, "Whatever,
they're fucking drums.
1185
00:59:41,490 --> 00:59:44,058
They're meant to be beat
on. Load 'em up, let's go."
1186
00:59:57,985 --> 01:00:00,988
These guys played some
seriously technical punk metal.
1187
01:00:05,689 --> 01:00:09,388
He was like, "You guys have
a deal with Warner Brothers?
1188
01:00:09,388 --> 01:00:11,129
Like, I can't fuck this up, man.
1189
01:00:11,129 --> 01:00:12,739
This is what I've always wanted.
1190
01:00:12,739 --> 01:00:14,611
This is my chance. I'm not
gonna fucking blow This, dude."
1191
01:00:14,611 --> 01:00:17,526
He took it so insanely seriously.
1192
01:00:21,879 --> 01:00:22,793
Sully showing up was the best thing
1193
01:00:22,793 --> 01:00:24,098
that ever happened in that band
1194
01:00:24,098 --> 01:00:25,839
'cause if he hadn't shown up,
1195
01:00:25,839 --> 01:00:28,929
I don't think we would've went on.
1196
01:00:28,929 --> 01:00:30,278
I don't think a record
would've gotten made.
1197
01:00:32,019 --> 01:00:33,499
We are here with Strip Mind.
1198
01:00:33,499 --> 01:00:34,456
Guys, why don't you go through
and introduce yourself?
1199
01:00:34,456 --> 01:00:36,154
Hey, I'm Tim. I play bass.
1200
01:00:36,154 --> 01:00:37,677
I'm Bill. I play guitar.
1201
01:00:37,677 --> 01:00:39,331
Sully, drums.
1202
01:00:39,331 --> 01:00:40,811
Stu, I sing and play guitar.
1203
01:00:40,811 --> 01:00:44,641
This is so Metallica, man.
1204
01:00:44,641 --> 01:00:46,860
And I was in fucking seventh
heaven at that point.
1205
01:00:46,860 --> 01:00:51,822
I mean, I was finally signed
with a band and touring.
1206
01:00:54,172 --> 01:00:56,174
And I just thought at the time,
1207
01:00:56,174 --> 01:00:58,132
it doesn't get any better than this.
1208
01:01:03,094 --> 01:01:05,574
Here we are, Pyramid Studios.
1209
01:01:05,574 --> 01:01:09,970
Gonna take a walk in here.
The old tape machine.
1210
01:01:09,970 --> 01:01:11,842
It really gave me an opportunity
1211
01:01:11,842 --> 01:01:14,583
to showcase my ability to play
the drums.
1212
01:01:33,167 --> 01:01:34,908
Finally, you know,
finally he's making it.
1213
01:01:34,908 --> 01:01:37,650
Finally, he's gonna be
world famous drummer.
1214
01:01:37,650 --> 01:01:39,826
People are gonna know about Sully.
1215
01:01:41,610 --> 01:01:44,265
He was living his dream
and I was so happy for him.
1216
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:49,793
I was psyched. I was
thinking, you know, here it is.
1217
01:01:49,793 --> 01:01:51,751
You know, this is what we've
been waiting
1218
01:01:51,751 --> 01:01:53,274
for, a record deal.
1219
01:01:53,274 --> 01:01:54,580
You know, go on tour, see
the world, all that stuff
1220
01:01:54,580 --> 01:01:57,714
but it was such a small record deal
1221
01:01:57,714 --> 01:01:59,541
that their first tour was a van tour.
1222
01:02:05,852 --> 01:02:07,985
This band didn't give a
fuck about anything really.
1223
01:02:07,985 --> 01:02:12,119
We were into drinking whiskey
and smoking a lot of weed.
1224
01:02:12,119 --> 01:02:14,731
We were living more of
a punk rock lifestyle.
1225
01:02:16,645 --> 01:02:17,908
Nobody really gave a fuck.
1226
01:02:18,952 --> 01:02:23,000
And along the way, Lisa
had met my friend Dave,
1227
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:25,132
and somehow started sneaking
1228
01:02:25,132 --> 01:02:27,526
around behind my back and seeing Dave.
1229
01:02:27,526 --> 01:02:30,442
Things started changing and
she wasn't around as much.
1230
01:02:30,442 --> 01:02:32,139
I started to hear rumors.
1231
01:02:32,139 --> 01:02:34,533
The more I asked around, the
more I started to hear things
1232
01:02:34,533 --> 01:02:36,274
that I just didn't want to hear.
1233
01:02:36,274 --> 01:02:38,276
Things like, you know,
1234
01:02:38,276 --> 01:02:42,236
Lisa was performing sexual acts
for drugs.
1235
01:02:43,542 --> 01:02:46,110
These were things that were
just really disturbing to hear.
1236
01:02:46,110 --> 01:02:49,026
Things that no guy wants to hear.
1237
01:02:49,026 --> 01:02:53,987
I had called my friend Dave
and he somehow admitted to me
1238
01:02:55,293 --> 01:03:00,037
that he had been dating
Lisa and I'm thinking, what?
1239
01:03:01,168 --> 01:03:03,083
I was kind of fuck you mode at
this point.
1240
01:03:03,083 --> 01:03:05,172
I was getting really numb
1241
01:03:05,172 --> 01:03:06,434
to kind of relationships in general,
1242
01:03:06,434 --> 01:03:08,349
but I also had this new band,
Strip Mind
1243
01:03:08,349 --> 01:03:11,570
and we were releasing a
record and we got on the road
1244
01:03:13,137 --> 01:03:14,442
and we started to tour
at a national level.
1245
01:03:16,662 --> 01:03:19,404
We are hanging out in
Detroit with Strip Mind.
1246
01:03:19,404 --> 01:03:21,275
Who is the main songwriter in
this band?
1247
01:03:21,275 --> 01:03:22,581
That would be Stu.
- All right.
1248
01:03:22,581 --> 01:03:24,931
So now you have songs like
"Pentapussy"
1249
01:03:24,931 --> 01:03:26,933
and "I Wanna Fuck Your
Girlfriend."
1250
01:03:26,933 --> 01:03:29,849
So let's talk about
your songs a little bit.
1251
01:03:29,849 --> 01:03:31,851
Well, the way a lot of
the lyrics are written is
1252
01:03:31,851 --> 01:03:34,419
that, I mean, I either
am inspired to write
1253
01:03:34,419 --> 01:03:36,160
by pain or by happiness
1254
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:38,945
and there isn't usually too
much happiness going around
1255
01:03:38,945 --> 01:03:40,686
so it's a lot of the pain and
the anger
1256
01:03:40,686 --> 01:03:41,992
that comes out and that
kind of motivates me
1257
01:03:41,992 --> 01:03:44,777
to put the pen down on
the paper and get going.
1258
01:03:44,777 --> 01:03:46,474
"I Wanna Fuck Your
Girlfriend" is basically
1259
01:03:46,474 --> 01:03:49,216
about getting pissed off about
your ex-girlfriend going out
1260
01:03:49,216 --> 01:03:50,652
with a friend of yours
and it's really kind
1261
01:03:50,652 --> 01:03:54,743
of a heartfelt statement about
love lost.
1262
01:03:54,743 --> 01:03:57,181
Me and Stu didn't get along so good.
1263
01:03:57,181 --> 01:04:01,533
Stu came from a much better
upbringing than we did.
1264
01:04:01,533 --> 01:04:04,579
His parents had money.
We were street kids.
1265
01:04:04,579 --> 01:04:06,930
Where the fuck is Stu?
1266
01:04:06,930 --> 01:04:09,584
- He's in the other room.
- Well, what the fuck?
1267
01:04:09,584 --> 01:04:12,239
- You wanna play it or not?
- I've been waiting.
1268
01:04:12,239 --> 01:04:13,762
I don't even
really play it. Let's go.
1269
01:04:13,762 --> 01:04:15,677
So there was just a lot of
tension, man,
1270
01:04:15,677 --> 01:04:18,245
and we were living it for the
first time.
1271
01:04:18,245 --> 01:04:20,291
You know, all of us were
kind of experiencing
1272
01:04:20,291 --> 01:04:23,076
that being signed to a major label
1273
01:04:23,076 --> 01:04:26,645
and the responsibilities
that go along with that.
1274
01:04:26,645 --> 01:04:29,953
We were right at the beginning
of hearing about Pearl Jam
1275
01:04:31,258 --> 01:04:34,827
and Nirvana and Alice in
Chains and Soundgarden
1276
01:04:34,827 --> 01:04:36,960
and although we loved a lot
1277
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:39,310
of those bands, we didn't sound
like that.
1278
01:04:39,310 --> 01:04:41,225
And we were at the tail end of
the era
1279
01:04:41,225 --> 01:04:44,445
of the traditional metal going away.
1280
01:04:44,445 --> 01:04:47,535
You can only be ignorant to
this kind of business for
1281
01:04:47,535 --> 01:04:51,278
so long before it just spits you
back out.
1282
01:04:51,278 --> 01:04:55,543
And unfortunately in this band,
there was no business sense.
1283
01:04:57,197 --> 01:05:01,593
We spent all of our
advance on making the record,
1284
01:05:01,593 --> 01:05:04,552
which we come to find out
you're not supposed to do that.
1285
01:05:05,510 --> 01:05:07,599
You're supposed to like
save some to live on.
1286
01:05:07,599 --> 01:05:09,601
And we didn't do that. We
didn't know any better.
1287
01:05:09,601 --> 01:05:11,690
So we just like spent it.
1288
01:05:11,690 --> 01:05:16,173
The band got to the one
day where Stu was able
1289
01:05:16,173 --> 01:05:18,392
to convince the other guys
that I was the problem
1290
01:05:18,392 --> 01:05:21,221
and they decided to fire me.
1291
01:05:23,528 --> 01:05:26,574
And I just remember
thinking, everything I went
1292
01:05:26,574 --> 01:05:30,056
through my whole life and all
these bands
1293
01:05:30,056 --> 01:05:32,102
and all these struggles
1294
01:05:32,102 --> 01:05:34,669
and all this bullshit to chase
this dream
1295
01:05:34,669 --> 01:05:38,282
that I fantasized about
since I was three years old.
1296
01:05:38,282 --> 01:05:40,980
And I finally got there
1297
01:05:40,980 --> 01:05:44,679
and in a blink of an eye,
it was taken away from me.
1298
01:05:46,464 --> 01:05:48,031
I was broken to the point
1299
01:05:48,031 --> 01:05:50,511
where I just decided I didn't
want to do music anymore.
1300
01:05:50,511 --> 01:05:52,122
He was really down in the dumps
1301
01:05:52,122 --> 01:05:54,951
and he told me, he says, "Mommy,
I'm going to quit music."
1302
01:05:54,951 --> 01:05:57,562
I felt that my only
shot had came and gone.
1303
01:05:57,562 --> 01:05:58,737
Maybe that was it.
1304
01:05:58,737 --> 01:06:00,130
Maybe that was my one opportunity
1305
01:06:00,130 --> 01:06:03,089
to do something with music and
it came
1306
01:06:03,089 --> 01:06:04,177
and it went like that.
1307
01:06:05,874 --> 01:06:07,137
I didn't want to be a part of it anymore.
1308
01:06:07,137 --> 01:06:10,227
It was disappointing
me over and over again.
1309
01:06:10,227 --> 01:06:14,057
And at 25 years old, it just
didn't seem like the right kind
1310
01:06:14,057 --> 01:06:15,275
of life for me anymore.
1311
01:06:16,581 --> 01:06:18,975
And I told him, I said,
"Sully,
don't get discouraged yet.
1312
01:06:18,975 --> 01:06:22,543
It's gonna happen. I
know it's gonna happen.
1313
01:06:22,543 --> 01:06:24,763
You just gotta give it some time.
1314
01:06:25,633 --> 01:06:27,722
It's gonna be there,
you're gonna make it."
1315
01:06:31,552 --> 01:06:33,380
At that point, I put the drums away
1316
01:06:33,380 --> 01:06:38,385
and I put my dream of being
a musician, a rock star
1317
01:06:39,169 --> 01:06:41,432
in a shoebox and put it up on
the shelf.
1318
01:06:41,432 --> 01:06:46,437
And so I decided that I was
gonna quit music for good.
1319
01:06:51,703 --> 01:06:54,010
I think Sully gave up on music
1320
01:06:54,010 --> 01:06:55,620
'cause I think he got
sick of chasing the dream
1321
01:06:55,620 --> 01:06:57,926
and not getting anything from it.
1322
01:06:57,926 --> 01:06:59,798
He got real discouraged at that point.
1323
01:06:59,798 --> 01:07:01,365
He worked so hard.
1324
01:07:01,365 --> 01:07:03,236
I mean, he always thought
from the time he was young
1325
01:07:03,236 --> 01:07:05,282
that he was gonna be a rock star
1326
01:07:05,282 --> 01:07:08,676
but when those things
don't work out, you know,
1327
01:07:08,676 --> 01:07:10,548
it's like someone kept stepping
on him
1328
01:07:10,548 --> 01:07:12,332
and stepping on his dream,
you know, and just crushing it
1329
01:07:12,332 --> 01:07:13,899
and he just gave in.
1330
01:07:35,834 --> 01:07:37,314
I didn't look back at that point.
1331
01:07:37,314 --> 01:07:38,532
I just wanted a new life.
I wanted a different life.
1332
01:07:38,532 --> 01:07:40,578
I wanted to feel like somebody again,
1333
01:07:40,578 --> 01:07:43,102
because the only person I knew I was
1334
01:07:43,102 --> 01:07:44,843
at that time was someone that
was sleeping
1335
01:07:44,843 --> 01:07:47,541
on my sister's couch and
borrowing $5 from people
1336
01:07:47,541 --> 01:07:49,239
to buy a pack of cigarettes.
1337
01:07:49,239 --> 01:07:51,502
And then I finally started
looking through the newspapers
1338
01:07:51,502 --> 01:07:54,809
and I found a job doing
collections for an attorney.
1339
01:07:54,809 --> 01:07:57,290
You know, I chopped my
hair off at that point too.
1340
01:07:59,379 --> 01:08:00,511
So he came over to my house
1341
01:08:00,511 --> 01:08:02,426
and he walked in and he had no hair.
1342
01:08:02,426 --> 01:08:04,428
♪ Say goodbye
1343
01:08:04,428 --> 01:08:06,169
♪ Never say goodbye
1344
01:08:06,169 --> 01:08:08,823
And I always dreamed to have
long hair
1345
01:08:08,823 --> 01:08:10,477
'cause I had that stupid fucking fro.
1346
01:08:10,477 --> 01:08:11,435
So when he came in
1347
01:08:12,479 --> 01:08:13,872
and he cut all his hair off, I got
1348
01:08:13,872 --> 01:08:16,396
so fucking pissed off, I
threw him outta my house.
1349
01:08:18,311 --> 01:08:19,486
Merry Christmas, dear Fro.
1350
01:08:19,486 --> 01:08:23,534
Oh, for me. God, what is this?
1351
01:08:23,534 --> 01:08:24,622
I think it's
something you could use
1352
01:08:24,622 --> 01:08:25,536
from time to time.
1353
01:08:26,754 --> 01:08:29,627
God, a five o'clock shadow razor.
1354
01:08:31,281 --> 01:08:32,717
Sure.
1355
01:08:32,717 --> 01:08:33,848
Make your trimming
needs a little easier.
1356
01:08:33,848 --> 01:08:34,980
What made you buy me razor, man?
1357
01:08:34,980 --> 01:08:36,982
I don't know.
1358
01:08:36,982 --> 01:08:37,983
We have pulse.
1359
01:08:37,983 --> 01:08:40,464
And then he met a girl.
1360
01:08:40,464 --> 01:08:42,553
She was a different
type of girl, you know,
1361
01:08:42,553 --> 01:08:44,859
'cause she didn't grow up in the streets
1362
01:08:44,859 --> 01:08:46,426
of Lawrence like most of the girls
1363
01:08:46,426 --> 01:08:49,125
and he fell crazy in love
with her and deservedly so.
1364
01:08:49,125 --> 01:08:50,300
She was a sweetheart.
1365
01:08:51,736 --> 01:08:53,085
Her name was Erin.
1366
01:08:53,085 --> 01:08:54,130
She was everything you could ask
1367
01:08:54,130 --> 01:08:55,566
for in a girlfriend, really.
1368
01:08:56,436 --> 01:08:59,700
And I found myself starting
1369
01:08:59,700 --> 01:09:01,659
to live a different kind of life.
1370
01:09:01,659 --> 01:09:06,446
It was a life away from
music with a nine to five job
1371
01:09:06,446 --> 01:09:08,448
and a really pretty girlfriend.
1372
01:09:08,448 --> 01:09:10,885
I remember for the first
time in my life, I felt
1373
01:09:12,017 --> 01:09:14,889
as safe as I had felt
when I lived with my mom.
1374
01:09:16,891 --> 01:09:17,718
A year or two
1375
01:09:19,024 --> 01:09:21,679
into our relationship, I
just started missing music.
1376
01:09:21,679 --> 01:09:24,508
It had been with me my whole
entire life.
1377
01:09:24,508 --> 01:09:26,118
I didn't know how to be anything else.
1378
01:09:26,118 --> 01:09:29,513
And I also think that the
more I fell in love with her
1379
01:09:29,513 --> 01:09:32,168
and the more I seen how unneedy
she was
1380
01:09:32,168 --> 01:09:36,520
and how she just was
proud of me for, you know,
1381
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:38,217
whatever, the more reason I wanted
1382
01:09:38,217 --> 01:09:41,046
to show her how talented I was.
1383
01:09:41,046 --> 01:09:43,440
That's when I got the itch
to start playing again
1384
01:09:43,440 --> 01:09:45,703
With Sully, I don't care
1385
01:09:45,703 --> 01:09:50,403
what he did, he would never
be happy without his music.
1386
01:09:50,403 --> 01:09:53,406
Up until that point, I was
just the drummer in a band
1387
01:09:54,929 --> 01:09:56,888
and I didn't have any
say for the most part.
1388
01:09:56,888 --> 01:09:59,804
I just decided, you know what?
I'm gonna write my own music.
1389
01:09:59,804 --> 01:10:01,022
I'm gonna try this a different way
1390
01:10:01,022 --> 01:10:02,676
and I'm gonna try this my way
1391
01:10:02,676 --> 01:10:07,203
and I don't want to listen
to anyone else's direction.
1392
01:10:08,813 --> 01:10:10,423
Sully called me and
he said he wanted to get
1393
01:10:10,423 --> 01:10:13,644
into a band and jam just for fun.
1394
01:10:13,644 --> 01:10:14,601
And he was like, "I'm in,"
immediately,
1395
01:10:14,601 --> 01:10:16,037
there was like no hesitation.
1396
01:10:16,037 --> 01:10:17,517
I go, "Well, you may wanna
hold on a second here
1397
01:10:17,517 --> 01:10:22,566
because, you know, I'm
gonna sing for the band."
1398
01:10:23,306 --> 01:10:25,046
I looked down at the phone,
like little smirk on my face.
1399
01:10:25,046 --> 01:10:27,092
I heard the phone drop
1400
01:10:27,092 --> 01:10:29,268
and hit like every step
going down the basement.
1401
01:10:29,268 --> 01:10:31,705
I got a message on my
answering machine saying
1402
01:10:31,705 --> 01:10:35,231
that he had this possible gig
for me and I was gonna laugh
1403
01:10:35,231 --> 01:10:36,841
and that's all the message said.
1404
01:10:36,841 --> 01:10:38,321
When I called back and he said
1405
01:10:38,321 --> 01:10:40,366
that he's putting this band together
1406
01:10:40,366 --> 01:10:42,455
and he was wanting to sing, I
didn't think
1407
01:10:42,455 --> 01:10:44,631
that he could sing 'cause
he played the drums.
1408
01:10:44,631 --> 01:10:46,198
So we started jamming
1409
01:10:46,198 --> 01:10:48,809
and then next thing I
know we're in the studio.
1410
01:10:48,809 --> 01:10:50,376
It was quite the experience, man.
1411
01:10:50,376 --> 01:10:52,813
Again, I was, you know,
freshly inexperienced
1412
01:10:52,813 --> 01:10:53,901
and new at singing.
1413
01:10:54,815 --> 01:10:56,817
And I was in the studio
now about to record a demo
1414
01:10:56,817 --> 01:10:59,385
and it wasn't good.
1415
01:10:59,385 --> 01:11:01,431
I was terrible. I didn't know
how to sing.
1416
01:11:01,431 --> 01:11:04,521
Like I was a screamer, but I had
no pitch.
1417
01:11:04,521 --> 01:11:05,391
Hey!
1418
01:11:07,306 --> 01:11:09,090
I started singing and I remember watching
1419
01:11:09,090 --> 01:11:11,179
Robbie walk right outta
the fucking studio.
1420
01:11:11,179 --> 01:11:13,573
I'm like, "Hold on a
second, I will get this.
1421
01:11:13,573 --> 01:11:14,922
You gotta gimme a minute."
1422
01:11:19,144 --> 01:11:21,015
He is sounding like a wild
goat in heat
1423
01:11:21,015 --> 01:11:22,365
and I went, "Oh my God, you're
awful."
1424
01:11:37,423 --> 01:11:39,991
It was the first time I
was on a stage as a singer-
1425
01:11:39,991 --> 01:11:42,080
They've come
here from all over the world.
1426
01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:45,039
In a real band and not
playing the drums at all.
1427
01:11:46,693 --> 01:11:47,999
How's everyone here, tonight?
1428
01:11:50,088 --> 01:11:51,307
Oh, thank you.
1429
01:11:54,048 --> 01:11:57,095
It sounds like everyone's doing well.
1430
01:11:58,183 --> 01:11:59,097
And I gotta tell you, the thing
I struggle
1431
01:11:59,097 --> 01:12:00,228
with the most was figuring out
1432
01:12:00,228 --> 01:12:01,447
what the fuck to do with my hands.
1433
01:12:01,447 --> 01:12:04,407
Because being a drummer,
your whole life is
1434
01:12:04,407 --> 01:12:05,451
if it's not going well, you can
just kind
1435
01:12:05,451 --> 01:12:07,366
of hide and get through the set.
1436
01:12:07,366 --> 01:12:11,152
But now I found myself
in front of the band
1437
01:12:11,152 --> 01:12:13,067
and I was the guy that had to entertain
1438
01:12:13,067 --> 01:12:15,983
and I didn't know what
the fuck I was gonna do.
1439
01:12:21,032 --> 01:12:22,338
You sound like shit actually.
1440
01:12:22,338 --> 01:12:24,035
- Swear to god?
- I swear to god, man.
1441
01:12:24,035 --> 01:12:26,037
Fucking ice kept breaking up.
1442
01:12:26,037 --> 01:12:28,822
Tommy was fine. His fucking
drums kept blaring out.
1443
01:12:28,822 --> 01:12:30,476
Robbie's bass was fine.
1444
01:12:30,476 --> 01:12:33,349
The guitar kept breaking up
and his voice kept breaking up.
1445
01:12:33,349 --> 01:12:34,175
You'll see.
1446
01:12:34,175 --> 01:12:35,481
No, I'm just saying...
1447
01:12:35,481 --> 01:12:36,961
And I kept practicing
and working with it
1448
01:12:36,961 --> 01:12:39,267
and between performance and
singing, actually trying
1449
01:12:39,267 --> 01:12:40,965
to learn how to get in pitch.
1450
01:12:40,965 --> 01:12:43,184
You know, it slowly came together.
1451
01:12:45,143 --> 01:12:46,579
You know, I had a lot
1452
01:12:46,579 --> 01:12:48,233
of experience like yelling
my whole life, screaming
1453
01:12:48,233 --> 01:12:51,279
at people, I just had to
get it in key, you know,
1454
01:12:51,279 --> 01:12:52,193
and figure that part out.
1455
01:12:53,281 --> 01:12:58,243
♪ Why are you laughing as
if you're my friend, yeah. ♪
1456
01:12:59,723 --> 01:13:01,072
Erin would come out to the shows
1457
01:13:01,072 --> 01:13:02,726
and she was starting to see
1458
01:13:02,726 --> 01:13:04,467
that I had something a little
bit more
1459
01:13:04,467 --> 01:13:06,686
to me than just being, you know,
a guy
1460
01:13:06,686 --> 01:13:08,732
in a collection agency.
1461
01:13:08,732 --> 01:13:11,256
Those were some really special
times when I think back,
1462
01:13:11,256 --> 01:13:13,301
because it was where it was starting.
1463
01:13:14,607 --> 01:13:16,174
It was getting that initial feedback
1464
01:13:16,174 --> 01:13:18,045
of what songs were working
and what songs weren't working
1465
01:13:18,045 --> 01:13:20,657
and we eventually started to
find a sound
1466
01:13:20,657 --> 01:13:23,355
within people pointing
out the heavier stuff.
1467
01:13:23,355 --> 01:13:25,009
♪ Get up, get up, get up, get up
♪
1468
01:13:25,009 --> 01:13:25,879
♪ Gotta get up
1469
01:13:25,879 --> 01:13:26,706
♪ Gotta get out
1470
01:13:26,706 --> 01:13:28,012
It was me and Robbie
1471
01:13:28,012 --> 01:13:30,318
and this kid Lee, our first
guitar player
1472
01:13:30,318 --> 01:13:31,407
and Tommy Stewart.
1473
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:34,453
We played a club called Axis.
1474
01:13:34,453 --> 01:13:37,804
And right next door, Korn
was playing a bigger venue,
1475
01:13:37,804 --> 01:13:39,415
I think it was The Avalon.
1476
01:13:39,415 --> 01:13:41,765
And anybody from The Avalon
had a ticket they could get
1477
01:13:41,765 --> 01:13:44,420
into the show and access for free.
1478
01:13:45,638 --> 01:13:49,555
So as soon as we got on, the
club let out
1479
01:13:49,555 --> 01:13:51,557
and the whole place filled up,
1480
01:13:51,557 --> 01:13:53,037
and I knew then that we had something.
1481
01:13:53,037 --> 01:13:55,300
Nobody knew the songs, nobody
knew us.
1482
01:13:55,300 --> 01:13:56,736
I'm like, I'm just looking
1483
01:13:56,736 --> 01:13:58,956
around and going, wow,
we've got something here.
1484
01:14:04,265 --> 01:14:06,964
About two weeks into it,
Lee got that dreaded knock
1485
01:14:06,964 --> 01:14:09,619
on the door that every man fears.
1486
01:14:09,619 --> 01:14:12,317
And when he opened it, he
found a woman on the other side
1487
01:14:12,317 --> 01:14:16,321
that he used to date that
said, "Hi, this is your child."
1488
01:14:16,321 --> 01:14:21,239
And you know, honorably he
left the band to go be a dad.
1489
01:14:22,762 --> 01:14:24,808
So Robbie said, "You know,
I know this guitar player
1490
01:14:24,808 --> 01:14:26,157
in the area.
1491
01:14:26,157 --> 01:14:27,767
His name's Tony Rombola,
and he is really good.
1492
01:14:27,767 --> 01:14:28,725
You should come check him out."
1493
01:14:28,725 --> 01:14:30,509
Robbie Merrill brought Sully
1494
01:14:30,509 --> 01:14:32,903
to a Crushed Tomato show to
check me out.
1495
01:14:32,903 --> 01:14:33,730
I didn't know it.
1496
01:14:34,948 --> 01:14:35,775
I met Sully there, you
know, shook his hand
1497
01:14:35,775 --> 01:14:36,950
and they handed me a tape
1498
01:14:36,950 --> 01:14:38,125
and said, "You know, learn this stuff
1499
01:14:38,125 --> 01:14:39,431
and we'll see if we like you."
1500
01:14:39,431 --> 01:14:40,693
I went and auditioned
1501
01:14:40,693 --> 01:14:42,303
at the train station where they rehearsed.
1502
01:14:42,303 --> 01:14:44,915
It was only like, I think four
songs, three or four songs
1503
01:14:44,915 --> 01:14:48,179
so I learned them and I played
them and it was all good.
1504
01:14:48,179 --> 01:14:49,615
And that's when they kind of
told me
1505
01:14:49,615 --> 01:14:50,703
and said, "All right,
man, let's do this thing,"
1506
01:14:50,703 --> 01:14:53,184
and that was it, I guess I was in.
1507
01:14:54,098 --> 01:14:56,579
I was just psyched to be
playing with such good musicians
1508
01:14:57,710 --> 01:14:59,930
in first really original
band too, you know?
1509
01:14:59,930 --> 01:15:02,236
So I was just excited about
what was coming, you know.
1510
01:15:02,236 --> 01:15:05,283
♪ You gotta go away
1511
01:15:07,415 --> 01:15:08,678
And right around the time
1512
01:15:08,678 --> 01:15:11,463
that we started to get
some momentum, I ran
1513
01:15:11,463 --> 01:15:15,946
into Lisa, my crazy ex
stripper girlfriend.
1514
01:15:15,946 --> 01:15:18,905
And when I seen her again,
all these old emotions came
1515
01:15:18,905 --> 01:15:20,777
up really quickly.
1516
01:15:20,777 --> 01:15:23,693
For some reason I had
forgot about the bullshit
1517
01:15:23,693 --> 01:15:25,825
that we had went through,
1518
01:15:25,825 --> 01:15:27,958
and I just kind of was drawn to
her again.
1519
01:15:27,958 --> 01:15:29,612
But I also knew
1520
01:15:29,612 --> 01:15:32,266
that I had this really
great person in my life.
1521
01:15:32,266 --> 01:15:35,356
And although those thoughts went
1522
01:15:35,356 --> 01:15:39,665
through my head, I really
didn't regard it that much
1523
01:15:39,665 --> 01:15:43,103
and I kind of drifted back into Lisa.
1524
01:15:46,324 --> 01:15:48,979
I am in a relationship that's
pretty deep at this point
1525
01:15:48,979 --> 01:15:51,895
with a great girl that I'm
living with,
1526
01:15:51,895 --> 01:15:54,071
and I'm just falling for this girl
1527
01:15:54,071 --> 01:15:56,116
that was just so bad for me.
1528
01:15:58,510 --> 01:16:01,992
And so I get a call one day from Erin
1529
01:16:01,992 --> 01:16:05,517
who asked me to come meet
her for lunch at her job.
1530
01:16:06,562 --> 01:16:09,042
And when I showed up, she walked outside
1531
01:16:09,042 --> 01:16:13,656
and she smacked me right across
the face and started crying
1532
01:16:13,656 --> 01:16:15,005
and told me we were done.
1533
01:16:17,137 --> 01:16:20,227
And I immediately knew she knew something.
1534
01:16:21,533 --> 01:16:26,016
She had heard a voicemail
that Lisa had left
1535
01:16:26,016 --> 01:16:30,760
on my answering machine,
and she just turned around
1536
01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:32,065
and walked back into work.
1537
01:16:33,458 --> 01:16:37,114
And in that split second, I
knew I had fucked up so bad.
1538
01:16:39,116 --> 01:16:41,031
I know it affected him
1539
01:16:41,031 --> 01:16:43,686
because he knows he made a
huge mistake, massive mistake.
1540
01:16:43,686 --> 01:16:46,776
He potentially lost the love of
his life.
1541
01:16:46,776 --> 01:16:51,781
I tried and tried and tried
to work things out with her.
1542
01:16:52,129 --> 01:16:55,915
She wouldn't take my calls,
she wouldn't come see me.
1543
01:16:55,915 --> 01:16:57,656
I showed up at her house one night
1544
01:16:57,656 --> 01:16:59,484
and through the balcony
I could see her sitting
1545
01:16:59,484 --> 01:17:02,661
in the living room
through these glass doors.
1546
01:17:02,661 --> 01:17:07,231
And I climbed up onto the balcony
and I opened up the slider
1547
01:17:07,231 --> 01:17:12,105
and she kind of looked over at
me and just looked back down
1548
01:17:12,105 --> 01:17:14,151
and she had been crying and crying.
1549
01:17:15,108 --> 01:17:18,677
And I came in and I
immediately got emotional
1550
01:17:18,677 --> 01:17:23,595
and I just said, "You
know, listen, I just need
1551
01:17:23,595 --> 01:17:24,683
to talk to you."
1552
01:17:26,685 --> 01:17:30,167
And she didn't say anything,
she just looked me in the eyes
1553
01:17:30,167 --> 01:17:33,170
and she just said, "Will
you dance with me?"
1554
01:17:33,170 --> 01:17:35,215
And I was like, "What?"
1555
01:17:36,216 --> 01:17:37,827
And she went on to explain,
1556
01:17:37,827 --> 01:17:42,396
she goes, you know, "The one
thing that you never asked me
1557
01:17:45,356 --> 01:17:48,707
to do the whole time we were seeing
1558
01:17:48,707 --> 01:17:50,361
each other was dance with me."
1559
01:17:53,190 --> 01:17:55,453
I didn't even know what to say.
1560
01:17:55,453 --> 01:17:59,892
And she just came up to me
and put her arms around me
1561
01:17:59,892 --> 01:18:02,199
and she just wanted to
dance one time with me.
1562
01:18:04,331 --> 01:18:06,116
And I also remember
thinking, I was really afraid
1563
01:18:06,116 --> 01:18:08,161
for my life because I
thought she was gonna stab me
1564
01:18:08,161 --> 01:18:10,903
in the back.
1565
01:18:29,530 --> 01:18:33,360
I danced with her to some slow song,
1566
01:18:35,058 --> 01:18:38,365
then she opened up the door,
she let me out and said goodbye
1567
01:18:40,977 --> 01:18:42,718
and that was the last
time I ever seen her.
1568
01:18:56,557 --> 01:18:57,907
You know, sometimes you have
1569
01:18:57,907 --> 01:19:00,692
to go through heartbreak in your life
1570
01:19:00,692 --> 01:19:04,957
and then something happens
and your life turns around.
1571
01:19:06,306 --> 01:19:09,527
I'm all busted up over a
relationship that just ended
1572
01:19:09,527 --> 01:19:11,572
and the band is solidified now,
1573
01:19:12,530 --> 01:19:15,141
but my head's all fucked
up, my heart's all fucked up
1574
01:19:16,360 --> 01:19:18,188
and I was in a lot of fucking pain.
1575
01:19:21,060 --> 01:19:22,018
And I just didn't have the
energy to go
1576
01:19:22,018 --> 01:19:24,020
to rehearsal a lot of the times.
1577
01:19:24,020 --> 01:19:25,717
♪ Let's take a blast to the moon
♪
1578
01:19:25,717 --> 01:19:28,241
I just started jotting down my feelings
1579
01:19:28,241 --> 01:19:30,417
and my thoughts like a journal.
1580
01:19:30,417 --> 01:19:31,592
♪ How I'm craving you
1581
01:19:31,592 --> 01:19:32,985
And all these journal entries started
1582
01:19:32,985 --> 01:19:34,857
to become songs for me.
1583
01:19:34,857 --> 01:19:39,426
And I noticed immediately
that it was really easy
1584
01:19:39,426 --> 01:19:41,951
for me to express myself on a piece
1585
01:19:41,951 --> 01:19:45,041
of paper much easier than it
was for me to talk about it.
1586
01:19:46,390 --> 01:19:48,958
And so I wrote, and I wrote and
I wrote,
1587
01:19:48,958 --> 01:19:51,612
and all of it came from this
real pain
1588
01:19:51,612 --> 01:19:53,136
that I was experiencing.
1589
01:20:00,099 --> 01:20:01,318
Through the pain I was experiencing,
1590
01:20:01,318 --> 01:20:03,799
something really beautiful was happening
1591
01:20:03,799 --> 01:20:06,062
and it was the birth of Godsmack.
1592
01:20:09,108 --> 01:20:10,544
I just got a call from Sully
one day.
1593
01:20:11,502 --> 01:20:14,026
You know, "Hey, I got a new
band, it's called Godsmack."
1594
01:20:14,026 --> 01:20:15,680
"And we have a bunch of
material and we wanna record it.
1595
01:20:15,680 --> 01:20:17,508
How can we do this?
1596
01:20:17,508 --> 01:20:18,857
You know, we don't have
a whole lot of money."
1597
01:20:18,857 --> 01:20:21,468
And we ended up borrowing $2,600
off
1598
01:20:21,468 --> 01:20:23,470
of a friend of ours at the time.
1599
01:20:23,470 --> 01:20:27,779
And so for 2,600 bucks,
he took us in on a weekend
1600
01:20:27,779 --> 01:20:30,608
and we basically tracked
as much as we could.
1601
01:20:30,608 --> 01:20:32,305
Track after track, just doing
it, trying
1602
01:20:32,305 --> 01:20:33,916
to save money to do it fast.
1603
01:20:33,916 --> 01:20:35,526
You know, that's the only
reason we were doing it fast.
1604
01:20:35,526 --> 01:20:36,962
We did everything live.
1605
01:20:36,962 --> 01:20:38,703
Tony and I were on
headphones but our ears were
1606
01:20:38,703 --> 01:20:42,359
in different separate rooms
being recorded at the same time
1607
01:20:42,359 --> 01:20:45,492
and we wiped out all
11 tracks in two days.
1608
01:20:45,492 --> 01:20:47,755
I was getting over my
fears of being a front man
1609
01:20:47,755 --> 01:20:50,497
and I started to look
towards the Steven Tylers
1610
01:20:50,497 --> 01:20:52,325
and the James Hetfields
and the Layne Staleys
1611
01:20:52,325 --> 01:20:55,067
and the people that I admired as
a singer.
1612
01:20:55,067 --> 01:20:57,200
And I took a little bit of
this and a little bit of that
1613
01:20:57,200 --> 01:21:00,464
and then I went back
and sang all the vocals.
1614
01:21:02,553 --> 01:21:03,380
And that was it.
1615
01:21:04,685 --> 01:21:05,730
That was the record we put out
1616
01:21:05,730 --> 01:21:06,644
and it was called "All Wound
Up."
1617
01:21:06,644 --> 01:21:07,645
We put some awful artwork on it.
1618
01:21:07,645 --> 01:21:09,255
It was a picture of Sully's TV
1619
01:21:09,255 --> 01:21:11,083
in his living room with a girl
in a chair
1620
01:21:11,083 --> 01:21:13,607
with cassette tape wrapping
around her.
1621
01:21:13,607 --> 01:21:14,521
It was the most fucking
1622
01:21:14,521 --> 01:21:15,827
ridiculous album cover ever.
1623
01:21:16,828 --> 01:21:19,875
I remember the first time
I heard Godsmack for real,
1624
01:21:19,875 --> 01:21:24,270
on a real produced CD and I was hoping
1625
01:21:24,270 --> 01:21:26,969
that it was gonna be the one
where you get to make it.
1626
01:21:26,969 --> 01:21:30,581
By shopping around
these CDs and getting them
1627
01:21:30,581 --> 01:21:34,063
to certain radio stations,
we drew the attention
1628
01:21:34,063 --> 01:21:36,195
of this one guy named Rocko who worked
1629
01:21:36,195 --> 01:21:39,546
for a local Boston station
called WAAF.
1630
01:21:40,678 --> 01:21:41,853
It's Rocko on WAAF.
1631
01:21:43,289 --> 01:21:47,206
Rocko just used to go digging
through the promotions bin
1632
01:21:47,206 --> 01:21:50,122
and we always had a bin of local bands
1633
01:21:50,122 --> 01:21:52,211
that would send music in for airplay.
1634
01:21:53,212 --> 01:21:55,432
And Rocko thought the
artwork was really cool
1635
01:21:55,432 --> 01:21:56,389
and so he put it on the air.
1636
01:21:56,389 --> 01:21:58,130
And once he started playing it,
1637
01:21:58,130 --> 01:22:01,525
the listeners really
started calling about it.
1638
01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:07,923
What's going
on Monday? I'm Rocco.
1639
01:22:07,923 --> 01:22:10,142
First we were played on the
Nightly News
1640
01:22:10,142 --> 01:22:11,317
and it was at 11 o'clock at night
1641
01:22:11,317 --> 01:22:12,753
because I used to work construction,
1642
01:22:12,753 --> 01:22:14,407
so I had to get up at 5:00 in
the morning.
1643
01:22:14,407 --> 01:22:15,800
But I'd always want stay up
to listen to the Nightly News
1644
01:22:15,800 --> 01:22:17,280
'cause he'd play "Keep Away" on
there.
1645
01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:19,543
"All Wound Up,"
this is Godsmack on WAAF.
1646
01:22:23,242 --> 01:22:24,896
I was over at a bar
1647
01:22:24,896 --> 01:22:25,766
and someone was like, "Man, have
you heard
1648
01:22:25,766 --> 01:22:26,985
about this Godsmack group?"
1649
01:22:28,247 --> 01:22:29,031
He says, "Man, yeah, listen to
this shit."
1650
01:22:29,031 --> 01:22:29,901
So he put it on.
1651
01:22:30,771 --> 01:22:33,078
The first song I heard was "Keep
Away.'
1652
01:22:33,078 --> 01:22:34,036
I was like, "Who is this
fucking asshole, man?
1653
01:22:34,036 --> 01:22:36,038
This is some good shit."
1654
01:22:36,038 --> 01:22:38,605
He says, "Yeah man, this
guy, his name's Sully."
1655
01:22:38,605 --> 01:22:40,216
Sully Erna.
1656
01:22:40,216 --> 01:22:41,826
I said, "I couldn't agree
with that fucking guy."
1657
01:22:41,826 --> 01:22:43,306
I'm in my shop one morning working
1658
01:22:43,306 --> 01:22:45,134
and I've got it on this college station
1659
01:22:45,134 --> 01:22:46,570
and I hear this song come on
1660
01:22:47,658 --> 01:22:49,486
and I start listening to the
lyrics of it.
1661
01:22:49,486 --> 01:22:54,273
♪ Sickness spilling through your
eyes ♪
1662
01:22:54,273 --> 01:22:59,278
And I said, that's Sully.
That's fucking Sully singing.
1663
01:22:59,757 --> 01:23:04,675
♪ Craving everything that
you thought was alive ♪
1664
01:23:10,115 --> 01:23:11,551
And the band started to grow at
this stage
1665
01:23:11,551 --> 01:23:14,250
and all of a sudden we had
this huge momentum going.
1666
01:23:16,469 --> 01:23:18,994
So I went to this local store
1667
01:23:18,994 --> 01:23:21,648
in New England called Newbury Comics,
1668
01:23:21,648 --> 01:23:24,129
which is a chain of about 17 stores.
1669
01:23:24,129 --> 01:23:26,827
And there was a lady named Beth Duby,
1670
01:23:26,827 --> 01:23:29,352
and I asked her if she would
take the CD
1671
01:23:29,352 --> 01:23:31,571
and she said, "Sure."
1672
01:23:31,571 --> 01:23:33,051
You know, she ended up
taking like five of 'em.
1673
01:23:33,051 --> 01:23:34,922
And I was like, "Oh, that kind
of sucks.
1674
01:23:34,922 --> 01:23:37,664
You know, we have a whole
case, you can take more."
1675
01:23:37,664 --> 01:23:39,666
And she's like, "Nope,
we'll start with five
1676
01:23:39,666 --> 01:23:42,539
and if we sell these five,
you bring us five more."
1677
01:23:44,019 --> 01:23:47,805
And then five a month started
to turn into about 10 a month,
1678
01:23:47,805 --> 01:23:51,200
and 10 in a month started
turning into a hundred a month.
1679
01:23:52,070 --> 01:23:54,768
And the more they played it
1680
01:23:54,768 --> 01:23:57,293
on the radio, the more
people would buy the CD
1681
01:23:57,293 --> 01:23:58,859
and the more people would buy
the CD,
1682
01:23:58,859 --> 01:24:00,644
the more they would show
up at the live shows
1683
01:24:00,644 --> 01:24:02,124
and on and on it went.
1684
01:24:02,124 --> 01:24:04,082
A lot of people were showing up
1685
01:24:04,082 --> 01:24:04,996
and they were selling out,
selling out, selling out.
1686
01:24:04,996 --> 01:24:06,084
And then they play it more
1687
01:24:06,084 --> 01:24:08,130
and play it more and play it more
1688
01:24:08,130 --> 01:24:09,653
and then it just snowballed
into something huge.
1689
01:24:12,569 --> 01:24:15,267
Godsmack! Godsmack!
Godsmack!
1690
01:24:15,267 --> 01:24:17,443
They started selling so many
copies that
1691
01:24:17,443 --> 01:24:20,707
when they published the album
sales numbers of everything
1692
01:24:20,707 --> 01:24:24,624
that they were selling week to
week, Godsmack was outselling
1693
01:24:24,624 --> 01:24:28,889
as a local unsigned band,
huge national artists.
1694
01:24:31,240 --> 01:24:32,676
He had done a lot of
work, Sully and the guys.
1695
01:24:32,676 --> 01:24:34,895
They were working the
club circuit heavily.
1696
01:24:34,895 --> 01:24:37,637
They had recorded what was a
great record.
1697
01:24:37,637 --> 01:24:41,250
And as I would come out and
see them play live in clubs
1698
01:24:41,250 --> 01:24:45,123
there, I began to recognize
not only the strength
1699
01:24:45,123 --> 01:24:47,647
of what he was doing, but
also the cause and effect
1700
01:24:47,647 --> 01:24:49,345
with the audiences.
1701
01:24:49,345 --> 01:24:52,870
And it was very small,
but it was meaningful.
1702
01:24:54,611 --> 01:24:57,004
Me and Tony were at rehearsal
one day
1703
01:24:57,004 --> 01:24:58,832
and I came up with this drumbeat.
1704
01:24:58,832 --> 01:25:00,051
So how about going
1705
01:25:04,273 --> 01:25:05,665
so it has a little bit of
thud to the ending of it.
1706
01:25:05,665 --> 01:25:08,581
And Tony started playing
this riff over this drumbeat
1707
01:25:08,581 --> 01:25:10,844
and it turned out to be
the song, "Whatever."
1708
01:25:12,063 --> 01:25:13,630
We wanted to add it to the CD,
1709
01:25:13,630 --> 01:25:15,458
but we didn't wanna record a
whole new CD and everything.
1710
01:25:15,458 --> 01:25:16,894
So we just recorded that one song
1711
01:25:16,894 --> 01:25:18,939
and just taped it onto the CD.
1712
01:25:18,939 --> 01:25:22,247
As a bonus CD because when
that song hit the radio,
1713
01:25:22,247 --> 01:25:23,857
that's when it really blew up
for us.
1714
01:25:23,857 --> 01:25:26,556
♪ Better fucking go away
1715
01:25:26,556 --> 01:25:32,257
♪ I'm doing the best I ever did
♪
1716
01:25:32,257 --> 01:25:33,998
♪ Now go away
1717
01:25:33,998 --> 01:25:35,956
"Whatever" sold thousands of copies.
1718
01:25:35,956 --> 01:25:40,047
Like bam it went from
we sold, you know, 5,000
1719
01:25:40,047 --> 01:25:42,920
to right where we're doing 2000
a week.
1720
01:25:42,920 --> 01:25:44,443
And in the meantime, you know,
1721
01:25:44,443 --> 01:25:47,098
WAAF was just playing the hell
out of it
1722
01:25:47,098 --> 01:25:49,753
so you could feel something happening.
1723
01:25:53,235 --> 01:25:54,845
We were playing a lot of places
1724
01:25:54,845 --> 01:25:57,413
and we were really starting
to build a name for ourselves
1725
01:25:57,413 --> 01:26:00,981
and it sparked the interest
of the record labels.
1726
01:26:00,981 --> 01:26:03,767
♪ Let's go
1727
01:26:03,767 --> 01:26:05,203
I think I was probably checking
1728
01:26:05,203 --> 01:26:06,552
on sales of one of our records
1729
01:26:06,552 --> 01:26:08,467
and I remember speaking to someone
1730
01:26:08,467 --> 01:26:11,340
at Newbury Comics calling
around, "Hey, how's this
record?"
1731
01:26:11,340 --> 01:26:13,559
"Hey, it's doing great.
It's number two this week."
1732
01:26:13,559 --> 01:26:15,518
"And well, who's number one?"
1733
01:26:15,518 --> 01:26:17,041
"Yeah, Godsmack."
1734
01:26:18,129 --> 01:26:19,826
I said, "Well, who's Godsmack?"
1735
01:26:21,176 --> 01:26:24,091
Said, "Yeah, he got this
record called 'Whatever.'"
1736
01:26:24,091 --> 01:26:26,181
I said, "Well, can I get a
copy?"
1737
01:26:26,181 --> 01:26:28,835
And it was a CD and then
it had a rubber band
1738
01:26:28,835 --> 01:26:33,623
and then it had this white
additional CD, blank CD,
1739
01:26:33,623 --> 01:26:35,059
just like that.
1740
01:26:37,714 --> 01:26:40,934
So I'm sitting in my
little basement room
1741
01:26:40,934 --> 01:26:43,372
and the phone rings and I pick
it up.
1742
01:26:43,372 --> 01:26:45,722
"Oh, yeah, what? Hello, what?"
1743
01:26:45,722 --> 01:26:48,594
I said, "Hey, I'm from Republic
Records. How you doing?"
1744
01:26:49,508 --> 01:26:50,683
He is like, "Yeah, what
about it, you know?"
1745
01:26:50,683 --> 01:26:51,684
"Quit fucking around, you
asshole,"
1746
01:26:51,684 --> 01:26:54,600
and I hung up the phone,
1747
01:26:54,600 --> 01:26:56,167
I really thought it was a
friend of mine fucking with me.
1748
01:26:56,167 --> 01:26:58,996
I actually hung up on the
president of the record label.
1749
01:26:58,996 --> 01:27:00,650
And so the phone rings again
1750
01:27:00,650 --> 01:27:01,825
and I was like, "Seriously,
I'm not in the fucking mood
1751
01:27:01,825 --> 01:27:02,739
for this today."
1752
01:27:02,739 --> 01:27:05,089
That was clearly Sully.
1753
01:27:05,089 --> 01:27:07,526
And he's like, "No,
don't hang, don't hang up."
1754
01:27:08,788 --> 01:27:11,313
He's like, "No, this is Avery
Lipman from Republic Records,"
1755
01:27:11,313 --> 01:27:13,228
and he started to go on and talk
a lot
1756
01:27:13,228 --> 01:27:15,578
of different kind of terminology,
record label terminology.
1757
01:27:15,578 --> 01:27:17,014
And at that point I go, oh my God,
1758
01:27:17,014 --> 01:27:19,364
like, okay, we don't even have a manager
1759
01:27:19,364 --> 01:27:20,974
and they're talking contracts
1760
01:27:20,974 --> 01:27:22,672
and I don't know anything
about that part of it.
1761
01:27:23,934 --> 01:27:25,370
So I called up Paul Geary
1762
01:27:25,370 --> 01:27:27,720
and he was into management at
the time.
1763
01:27:27,720 --> 01:27:29,896
I had him look at the band a
couple times previous to that,
1764
01:27:29,896 --> 01:27:31,681
but you know, we just weren't
ready yet.
1765
01:27:31,681 --> 01:27:33,813
Finally I called him
1766
01:27:33,813 --> 01:27:34,771
and I said, "Okay, listen,
you're managing the fuckingband.
1767
01:27:34,771 --> 01:27:36,251
That's like what's gonna happen
1768
01:27:36,251 --> 01:27:38,253
because I get record
labels calling my bedroom
1769
01:27:38,253 --> 01:27:40,211
and I don't know anything
about contracts."
1770
01:27:40,211 --> 01:27:44,171
This, I'll never forget.
I remember this intensely.
1771
01:27:44,171 --> 01:27:46,217
I was sitting in my
driveway talking to Sully
1772
01:27:46,217 --> 01:27:47,871
and I said, "Well, we
actually have our first offer,
1773
01:27:47,871 --> 01:27:50,569
but I think it's shit.
1774
01:27:50,569 --> 01:27:52,049
You know, I don't think
that's what we want to do."
1775
01:27:52,049 --> 01:27:55,400
I remember him saying, "Are
you sure? Are you sure?
1776
01:27:55,400 --> 01:27:59,056
We're passing on a major label
deal here."
1777
01:27:59,056 --> 01:28:00,797
And I felt at the time,
1778
01:28:00,797 --> 01:28:03,495
look, I've been doing
this long enough to know
1779
01:28:03,495 --> 01:28:05,454
that I don't know what kind
of deal we're gonna get,
1780
01:28:05,454 --> 01:28:06,803
but we're gonna get a deal.
1781
01:28:08,413 --> 01:28:10,720
And so they ask us to set up a show
1782
01:28:10,720 --> 01:28:12,287
and we're like, no problem.
1783
01:28:12,287 --> 01:28:13,810
Can fucking play anywhere in New England.
1784
01:28:13,810 --> 01:28:15,290
We're gonna pack it in,
We're gonna look awesome.
1785
01:28:15,290 --> 01:28:16,900
We're gonna get a record deal.
1786
01:28:16,900 --> 01:28:20,033
And we show up, we do our
sound check, band sounds great,
1787
01:28:20,033 --> 01:28:21,861
everyone's in a good place.
1788
01:28:21,861 --> 01:28:25,996
We hit the stage. Not a fucking person.
1789
01:28:25,996 --> 01:28:27,302
There may have been 14 people in
the club.
1790
01:28:27,302 --> 01:28:28,825
I remember thinking like it
wasn't full.
1791
01:28:28,825 --> 01:28:30,435
We worried about that 'cause
here we were getting ready
1792
01:28:30,435 --> 01:28:33,177
to, you know, showcase and
there wasn't a full room.
1793
01:28:33,177 --> 01:28:35,962
I was probably optimistic thinking
1794
01:28:35,962 --> 01:28:37,616
there was at least half of a room.
1795
01:28:38,922 --> 01:28:41,446
We're dead, we're dead.
1796
01:28:41,446 --> 01:28:43,013
That never bothered us, you know,
1797
01:28:43,013 --> 01:28:45,798
as far as like, you know,
the small turnout and shows
1798
01:28:45,798 --> 01:28:46,973
because we knew it was a process
1799
01:28:46,973 --> 01:28:48,148
and we knew it was just a matter
of time
1800
01:28:48,148 --> 01:28:49,759
and we just had to be patient.
1801
01:28:49,759 --> 01:28:51,500
And so we just said,
1802
01:28:51,500 --> 01:28:52,675
okay, we gotta pull
our head together here.
1803
01:28:52,675 --> 01:28:54,024
They just wanna see this band play.
1804
01:28:54,024 --> 01:28:55,678
And for whatever it's
worth, man, we got up
1805
01:28:55,678 --> 01:28:57,332
on stage and we played
1806
01:28:57,332 --> 01:29:00,857
to 15 people, just like we
would play to 5,000 people.
1807
01:29:00,857 --> 01:29:03,163
♪ Let's go
1808
01:29:07,733 --> 01:29:10,736
And at that point, Republic
came back with a real offer.
1809
01:29:12,390 --> 01:29:14,174
There's a rule of thumb in our business
1810
01:29:14,174 --> 01:29:16,873
that, you know, just when
you feel like all is lost
1811
01:29:16,873 --> 01:29:18,918
and your company's going
down and you just, you know,
1812
01:29:18,918 --> 01:29:20,398
for whatever reason you
can't make the rent,
1813
01:29:20,398 --> 01:29:22,226
you can't pay the bills,
1814
01:29:22,226 --> 01:29:23,358
you can't do this, you can't do that,
1815
01:29:23,358 --> 01:29:24,620
in our business, you've gotta
hang on
1816
01:29:24,620 --> 01:29:26,230
with everything you've got
1817
01:29:26,230 --> 01:29:28,841
because the next day the Beatles
can walk through the door
1818
01:29:28,841 --> 01:29:30,974
and in our case, it was Godsmack.
1819
01:29:30,974 --> 01:29:34,107
Please welcome Godsmack.
1820
01:29:34,107 --> 01:29:37,676
Godsmack.
1821
01:29:37,676 --> 01:29:40,636
He wanted it. If you want
it, you gotta go for it.
1822
01:29:42,159 --> 01:29:44,030
He's touched so many lives
1823
01:29:44,030 --> 01:29:45,728
and helped make their lives better.
1824
01:29:45,728 --> 01:29:47,643
I mean, how can I not be proud?
1825
01:29:51,429 --> 01:29:52,735
He had this one thing
1826
01:29:52,735 --> 01:29:54,606
that he always wanted
his whole entire life.
1827
01:29:58,305 --> 01:30:00,438
I have no other words,
but just simply amazing.
1828
01:30:03,310 --> 01:30:05,443
We're lucky we didn't
end up dead or in jail
1829
01:30:05,443 --> 01:30:08,446
and music, it was just a savior
for us.
1830
01:30:09,447 --> 01:30:11,971
Nothing was handed to him.
1831
01:30:11,971 --> 01:30:14,931
He worked hard for what
he has accomplished.
1832
01:30:16,106 --> 01:30:18,848
Always knew he'd make it and
then he did.
1833
01:30:20,893 --> 01:30:23,635
♪ I'm doing the best I ever did
♪
1834
01:30:23,635 --> 01:30:24,984
♪ Go away
1835
01:30:24,984 --> 01:30:27,422
♪ I'm doing the best that I can
♪
1836
01:30:27,422 --> 01:30:28,814
♪ Go away
1837
01:30:28,814 --> 01:30:31,208
♪ I'm doing the best I ever did
♪
1838
01:30:31,208 --> 01:30:32,601
♪ Go away
1839
01:30:32,601 --> 01:30:34,864
♪ I'm doing the best that I can
♪
1840
01:30:34,864 --> 01:30:36,169
♪ Go away
1841
01:30:36,169 --> 01:30:37,562
♪ Yeah
1842
01:30:37,562 --> 01:30:38,911
♪ I'm doing the best I ever did
♪
1843
01:30:38,911 --> 01:30:40,435
♪ I'm doing the best that I can
♪
1844
01:30:40,435 --> 01:30:42,393
♪ I'm doing the best I ever did
♪
1845
01:30:42,393 --> 01:30:44,569
♪ Now go away
1846
01:30:44,569 --> 01:30:46,745
♪ I'm doing the best that I ever
did ♪
1847
01:30:46,745 --> 01:30:48,704
♪ I'm doing the best that I can
♪
1848
01:30:48,704 --> 01:30:50,662
♪ I'm doing the best I ever did
♪
1849
01:30:50,662 --> 01:30:52,490
Show me your hands, come on.
1850
01:30:52,490 --> 01:30:53,448
Yeah, yeah!
1851
01:31:00,063 --> 01:31:03,632
♪ I'm doing the best I ever did,
go away ♪
1852
01:31:03,632 --> 01:31:05,764
♪ I'm doing the best that I can
♪
1853
01:31:05,764 --> 01:31:08,898
Godsmack! Godsmack!
Godsmack!
1854
01:31:20,997 --> 01:31:22,520
Sometimes getting to where you want
1855
01:31:22,520 --> 01:31:27,177
to get to, it's not as easy as
it sounds.
1856
01:31:27,177 --> 01:31:28,874
And you're gonna face challenges
1857
01:31:28,874 --> 01:31:31,529
and life is gonna knock you
down on your knees a lot.
1858
01:31:32,791 --> 01:31:35,490
But the people who can stand
tall again
1859
01:31:35,490 --> 01:31:40,190
and get up, no matter how many
times life knocks you down,
1860
01:31:40,190 --> 01:31:43,628
when you can reach down and
find your inner strength
1861
01:31:43,628 --> 01:31:45,543
and inspire others
1862
01:31:45,543 --> 01:31:47,806
and keep working at it, those
are the ones
1863
01:31:47,806 --> 01:31:49,591
that are gonna make it.
1864
01:31:49,591 --> 01:31:52,332
Those are the ones that'll
never live with regret.
1865
01:31:52,332 --> 01:31:54,987
It's all just a part
of the paths we choose.
1866
01:32:03,300 --> 01:32:06,477
I don't remember a lot about
my childhood, especially not
1867
01:32:06,477 --> 01:32:08,958
with him because he was on tour
a lot,
1868
01:32:08,958 --> 01:32:10,742
but I've noticed a lot that
1869
01:32:10,742 --> 01:32:12,265
as I've gotten older, he just wants
1870
01:32:12,265 --> 01:32:13,876
to spend more time with me.
1871
01:32:13,876 --> 01:32:18,445
My dad and I will talk for
hours about like anything.
1872
01:32:20,926 --> 01:32:23,668
Seeing the fans connect with him
so much
1873
01:32:23,668 --> 01:32:24,756
and you know, sing along to his songs
1874
01:32:24,756 --> 01:32:26,932
on stage, it's really cool for me
1875
01:32:26,932 --> 01:32:29,413
but it's almost like surreal,
like all
1876
01:32:29,413 --> 01:32:31,328
of these people love your dad
1877
01:32:31,328 --> 01:32:34,636
because you know, I don't
look at him like Sully.
1878
01:32:34,636 --> 01:32:36,289
I look at him like, dad.
1879
01:33:02,228 --> 01:33:03,839
Son, you're right.
1880
01:33:06,493 --> 01:33:07,799
So they're still fixing the
camera?
1881
01:33:07,799 --> 01:33:09,496
Yeah, I think so.
1882
01:33:11,803 --> 01:33:15,894
So this is my mom, my dear
mom, my one and only mother.
1883
01:33:15,894 --> 01:33:18,244
Thank you, dear. That's it, yeah.
1884
01:33:18,244 --> 01:33:19,202
I think I only have one.
1885
01:33:19,202 --> 01:33:20,856
I hope so.
1886
01:33:20,856 --> 01:33:22,335
We got over all our hangups,
1887
01:33:22,335 --> 01:33:24,294
how I used to be versus what I
am now
1888
01:33:24,294 --> 01:33:25,730
and now we get along great.
1889
01:33:25,730 --> 01:33:27,079
Yeah, I think so.
1890
01:33:27,079 --> 01:33:28,646
I think so too.
1891
01:33:28,646 --> 01:33:30,256
You're still a little bit
of a pain in my ass, but-
1892
01:33:30,256 --> 01:33:31,780
Well not like you're not a
pain in my ass too especially
1893
01:33:31,780 --> 01:33:35,261
when you don't answer your
phone and no, I'm just...
1894
01:33:35,261 --> 01:33:36,262
I'm busy though, you know?
1895
01:33:36,262 --> 01:33:37,873
Yeah, I know I'm busy too.
1896
01:33:37,873 --> 01:33:41,311
We're back at the stoop.
This was like our hiding spot.
1897
01:33:41,311 --> 01:33:44,053
- This was our spot, right?
- This is the hang, yeah.
1898
01:33:44,053 --> 01:33:45,532
I feel so comfortable here.
1899
01:33:45,532 --> 01:33:46,621
Do you?
1900
01:33:46,621 --> 01:33:47,839
I still feel like I gotta kind
1901
01:33:47,839 --> 01:33:49,493
of watch my back a little bit.
1902
01:33:49,493 --> 01:33:51,756
And you guys don't ever fucking
call me.
1903
01:33:52,627 --> 01:33:53,845
Very proud of my friend.
1904
01:33:53,845 --> 01:33:55,934
He has made an impact in the
music world
1905
01:33:55,934 --> 01:33:57,457
and he is my friend.
- Right, well, you know,
1906
01:33:57,457 --> 01:33:58,415
here we go.
1907
01:33:59,372 --> 01:34:00,722
Enough.
1908
01:34:00,722 --> 01:34:02,637
I'm a little bit over
pampered here right now.
1909
01:34:03,681 --> 01:34:06,249
- Never thought I'd hear that
- It's been a great ride.
1910
01:34:06,249 --> 01:34:07,511
Let's keep it going.
1911
01:34:31,840 --> 01:34:36,845
♪ I've told you this once
before, you can't control me ♪
1912
01:34:36,845 --> 01:34:41,850
♪ If you try to take me
down, you're gonna break ♪
1913
01:34:42,502 --> 01:34:47,464
♪ I feel your every nothing
that you're doing for me ♪
1914
01:34:47,769 --> 01:34:52,687
♪ I'm thinking you ought
to make your own way ♪
1915
01:34:53,557 --> 01:34:58,736
♪ I stand alone, inside
1916
01:34:58,736 --> 01:35:03,741
♪ I stand alone
1917
01:35:05,177 --> 01:35:10,182
♪ You're always hiding behind
your so-called goddess ♪
1918
01:35:10,443 --> 01:35:15,361
♪ So, what, you don't think
that we can see your face ♪
1919
01:35:16,014 --> 01:35:21,019
♪ Resurrected back before
the final falling ♪
1920
01:35:21,672 --> 01:35:26,633
♪ I'll never rest until
I can make my own way ♪
1921
01:35:28,548 --> 01:35:32,770
♪ I'm not afraid of fading
1922
01:35:32,770 --> 01:35:36,513
♪ I stand alone
1923
01:35:36,513 --> 01:35:41,518
♪ Feeling your sting down inside
me, I'm not dying for it ♪
1924
01:35:43,694 --> 01:35:48,307
♪ I stand alone
1925
01:35:48,307 --> 01:35:53,312
♪ Everything that I believe is
fading ♪
1926
01:35:55,358 --> 01:36:00,276
♪ I stand alone, inside
1927
01:36:01,059 --> 01:36:03,714
♪ I stand alone
1928
01:36:12,027 --> 01:36:16,988
♪ And now, it's my time
1929
01:36:16,988 --> 01:36:21,993
♪ It's my time to dream
1930
01:36:22,951 --> 01:36:27,956
♪ Dream of the skies
1931
01:36:29,131 --> 01:36:33,700
♪ Make me believe that
this place isn't plagued ♪
1932
01:36:33,700 --> 01:36:38,749
♪ By the poison in me
1933
01:36:40,838 --> 01:36:45,800
♪ Help me decide if my
fire will burn out ♪
1934
01:36:46,104 --> 01:36:51,022
♪ Before you can breathe ♪
1935
01:36:52,676 --> 01:36:55,505
♪ Breathe into me
1936
01:37:05,602 --> 01:37:10,607
♪ I stand alone, inside
1937
01:37:11,042 --> 01:37:15,438
♪ I stand alone ♪
1938
01:37:15,438 --> 01:37:22,532
♪ Feeling your sting down inside
me, I'm not dying for it ♪
1939
01:37:22,532 --> 01:37:27,232
♪ I stand alone
1940
01:37:27,232 --> 01:37:34,065
♪ Everything that I believe is
fading ♪
1941
01:37:34,283 --> 01:37:40,071
♪ I stand alone, inside ♪
1942
01:37:40,071 --> 01:37:46,208
♪ I stand alone, inside
1943
01:37:46,643 --> 01:37:51,126
♪ I stand alone, inside ♪
1944
01:37:51,648 --> 01:37:57,088
♪ I stand alone, inside ♪
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