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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:04,413 --> 00:00:06,640 Over the past century of Western cinema, 3 00:00:06,724 --> 00:00:08,226 we've seen a steady increase in 4 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 5 00:00:08,310 --> 00:00:11,053 representation of LGBTQ characters. 6 00:00:11,137 --> 00:00:12,916 But there's long been a taboo against 7 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:16,275 playing these roles, for fear of being type cast. 8 00:00:19,482 --> 00:00:22,019 In the 1950s to the 1970s, 9 00:00:22,103 --> 00:00:24,640 it could be a career killer to play gay, 10 00:00:24,724 --> 00:00:28,275 and few actors or studios were willing to take the risk. 11 00:00:29,344 --> 00:00:31,191 Most examples we have were either 12 00:00:31,275 --> 00:00:34,536 studio films where the queer characters were villainized, 13 00:00:34,620 --> 00:00:38,448 or independent ventures by boundary-pushing filmmakers. 14 00:00:41,310 --> 00:00:43,605 In the 1980s, films with gay storylines 15 00:00:43,689 --> 00:00:46,398 were often indistinguishable from activism, 16 00:00:46,482 --> 00:00:48,398 and often reflected characters coming 17 00:00:48,482 --> 00:00:51,827 to terms with new HIV transmission and AIDS. 18 00:00:53,137 --> 00:00:55,157 In the 1990s and 2000s, 19 00:00:55,241 --> 00:00:57,709 a curious change began to take place. 20 00:00:57,793 --> 00:00:59,467 A-list Hollywood actors began to 21 00:00:59,551 --> 00:01:02,260 selectively play gay characters. 22 00:01:02,344 --> 00:01:03,433 Didn't you have an obligation 23 00:01:03,517 --> 00:01:04,881 to tell your employer you had this 24 00:01:04,965 --> 00:01:07,295 dreaded, deadly, infectious disease? 25 00:01:07,379 --> 00:01:09,433 That's not the point. 26 00:01:09,517 --> 00:01:11,812 These were most often straight identified men, 27 00:01:11,896 --> 00:01:14,896 who were allotted with praise for tackling brave roles. 28 00:01:16,310 --> 00:01:18,950 That word brave has always struck a chord with me, 29 00:01:19,034 --> 00:01:20,916 and most often, a dissonant one. 30 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,847 No, not since Jeffrey and I split up, 31 00:01:23,931 --> 00:01:25,640 there's nobody I really wanna take, so... 32 00:01:25,724 --> 00:01:26,467 It was great meeting you. 33 00:01:26,551 --> 00:01:27,847 Same here. 34 00:01:27,931 --> 00:01:29,053 Is that guy gay? 35 00:01:29,137 --> 00:01:30,157 Yeah, what about it? 36 00:01:30,241 --> 00:01:32,053 Nothing, I'm just not used to 37 00:01:32,137 --> 00:01:33,743 seeing somebody so upfront about it. 38 00:01:33,827 --> 00:01:35,502 Why, for a straight man, 39 00:01:35,586 --> 00:01:38,502 who is an actor, who makes believe for a living, 40 00:01:38,586 --> 00:01:40,896 is it brave to take on a gay role? 41 00:01:43,551 --> 00:01:46,053 What is it about exploring the idea of love, 42 00:01:46,137 --> 00:01:48,122 intimacy, and sexual excitement, 43 00:01:48,206 --> 00:01:50,916 causes a wall of fear to be thrown up? 44 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:52,916 A wall so high that only the most 45 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:54,724 courageous would attempt to climb. 46 00:01:57,965 --> 00:02:00,502 In 2005, I was cast in a gay, 47 00:02:00,586 --> 00:02:02,674 sudsy drama, Dante's Cove. 48 00:02:02,758 --> 00:02:04,433 The show received its highest praise 49 00:02:04,517 --> 00:02:07,433 when given the take line, a guilty pleasure. 50 00:02:07,517 --> 00:02:10,916 It belonged in that, it's so bad it's good world 51 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,137 of best watched, drunk television. 52 00:02:15,241 --> 00:02:18,226 So there I was, the only out gay actor, 53 00:02:18,310 --> 00:02:20,433 on the flagship show of the first 54 00:02:20,517 --> 00:02:23,053 gay television network in the USA. 55 00:02:23,137 --> 00:02:27,053 I repeat, the only out gay actor on the show, 56 00:02:27,137 --> 00:02:29,053 at least for the first season. 57 00:02:29,137 --> 00:02:30,571 They wouldn't know about us. 58 00:02:30,655 --> 00:02:31,586 Yes they would. 59 00:02:32,724 --> 00:02:34,364 And I don't wanna hide it, why should I? 60 00:02:34,448 --> 00:02:36,847 Suddenly, the tides were shifting. 61 00:02:36,931 --> 00:02:40,329 Everyone wanted a gay role on their resume. 62 00:02:40,413 --> 00:02:43,916 It was now a badge of honor for straight actors to play gay. 63 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:45,640 And many wanted to join the ranks 64 00:02:45,724 --> 00:02:49,226 of Jake Gyllenhaal, Heath Ledger, Brad Pitt, 65 00:02:49,310 --> 00:02:53,068 Eric McCormack, Leonardo DiCaprio, and Tom Hanks. 66 00:02:55,655 --> 00:02:58,605 The flood gates were opened, and it was exciting, 67 00:02:58,689 --> 00:03:00,605 but still confounding to chat with 68 00:03:00,689 --> 00:03:01,950 straight actors that auditioned, 69 00:03:02,034 --> 00:03:03,467 who would say things like, 70 00:03:03,551 --> 00:03:06,793 oh yeah, I played a serial killer, so why not gay? 71 00:03:11,896 --> 00:03:14,364 Today, it seems we finally reached the point 72 00:03:14,448 --> 00:03:15,950 where it's no longer breaking news 73 00:03:16,034 --> 00:03:18,364 when an actor tackles a queer role, 74 00:03:18,448 --> 00:03:20,364 regardless of their personal stated, 75 00:03:20,448 --> 00:03:23,586 or still often unstated sexuality. 76 00:03:26,206 --> 00:03:28,502 Intrigue has refocused online 77 00:03:28,586 --> 00:03:30,916 into the world of pornography. 78 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,157 Curiously, there is a disproportionate 79 00:03:33,241 --> 00:03:35,053 percentage of men working in 80 00:03:35,137 --> 00:03:38,000 gay porn who identify as straight. 81 00:03:39,620 --> 00:03:42,157 Why would a straight man do gay porn? 82 00:03:42,241 --> 00:03:44,398 What motivates him to try this, 83 00:03:44,482 --> 00:03:46,847 or make a career out of it? 84 00:03:46,931 --> 00:03:48,640 Why is there such keen interest 85 00:03:48,724 --> 00:03:50,640 and debate into the sexuality and 86 00:03:50,724 --> 00:03:52,640 personal lives of these men? 87 00:03:52,724 --> 00:03:55,467 And what does it say about us, the viewer, 88 00:03:55,551 --> 00:03:57,674 that so much of gay porn is dominated 89 00:03:57,758 --> 00:04:00,295 by images of straight men? 90 00:04:00,379 --> 00:04:04,019 Are there shades of internalized homophobia emerging? 91 00:04:04,103 --> 00:04:06,191 Why might we be turned off if the man 92 00:04:06,275 --> 00:04:09,433 on screen looks, sounds, or behaves 93 00:04:09,517 --> 00:04:12,034 in a way that is identifiably queer? 94 00:04:14,206 --> 00:04:15,881 To try and answer some of these questions, 95 00:04:15,965 --> 00:04:17,122 we interviewed men from some of 96 00:04:17,206 --> 00:04:19,778 the most popular and prolific studios, 97 00:04:19,862 --> 00:04:22,122 which fetishize straight men. 98 00:04:22,206 --> 00:04:23,847 I spoke with gay performers about 99 00:04:23,931 --> 00:04:26,709 their experiences, working with straight guys. 100 00:04:26,793 --> 00:04:28,053 And we hit the streets to test the 101 00:04:28,137 --> 00:04:31,191 curiosity and opinions of the public. 102 00:04:31,275 --> 00:04:33,778 Welcome to the curious, surprising, 103 00:04:33,862 --> 00:04:36,019 and always outspoken world of 104 00:04:36,103 --> 00:04:38,655 straight men who go gay for pay. 105 00:05:18,689 --> 00:05:21,467 A gay for pay porn actor is 106 00:05:21,551 --> 00:05:25,157 somebody who identifies as heterosexual, 107 00:05:25,241 --> 00:05:28,157 but in exchange for cash, 108 00:05:28,241 --> 00:05:30,778 is willing to engage in sexual 109 00:05:30,862 --> 00:05:33,068 intercourse with men on film. 110 00:05:34,206 --> 00:05:37,916 I personally have enjoyed my experiences 111 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:41,088 in porn, on film, with straight men. 112 00:05:41,172 --> 00:05:44,467 Off camera, I've also had experiences with 113 00:05:44,551 --> 00:05:48,517 married guys, with "straight" guys, right? 114 00:05:49,965 --> 00:05:52,157 I think the cash is used as a smokescreen a lot of times, 115 00:05:52,241 --> 00:05:54,950 as an excuse as to why they're doing it. 116 00:05:55,034 --> 00:05:58,122 But I'm a firm believer in the Kinsey Scale. 117 00:05:58,206 --> 00:05:59,709 There's heterosexual, homosexual, 118 00:05:59,793 --> 00:06:02,122 and everything, all the gray in between. 119 00:06:02,206 --> 00:06:05,778 To say these guys are straight, 120 00:06:05,862 --> 00:06:09,743 and they're doing gay sex on film for cash is ridiculous. 121 00:06:09,827 --> 00:06:11,916 There's no amount of money that you 122 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:15,433 could give a truly, 100% heterosexual male, 123 00:06:15,517 --> 00:06:17,640 to have sex with another man, 124 00:06:17,724 --> 00:06:20,571 certainly on camera where anyone would be able to find it. 125 00:06:20,655 --> 00:06:22,536 These guys are obviously interested in 126 00:06:22,620 --> 00:06:26,019 experimenting and having that experience with men. 127 00:06:26,103 --> 00:06:27,674 The cash is a nice bonus. 128 00:06:27,758 --> 00:06:29,398 And they're probably exhibitionists at heart. 129 00:06:29,482 --> 00:06:31,605 So there's a lot of things going on in there. 130 00:06:31,689 --> 00:06:33,295 So when I say heterosexual, and I put the air quotes, 131 00:06:33,379 --> 00:06:36,103 that just mean they're somewhere in that scale. 132 00:06:37,517 --> 00:06:38,275 Labels are tough. 133 00:06:41,379 --> 00:06:43,467 I think, and I'm just gonna generalize, 134 00:06:43,551 --> 00:06:46,398 I think gay men like to see 135 00:06:46,482 --> 00:06:48,536 straight men in porn. 136 00:06:48,620 --> 00:06:49,916 There's a huge fantasy there. 137 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:53,053 Here's a guy that identifies as straight, 138 00:06:53,137 --> 00:06:55,122 which means he's completely off limits, 139 00:06:55,206 --> 00:06:57,571 or is not "interested" in me, 140 00:06:57,655 --> 00:06:59,571 and here he is completely naked 141 00:06:59,655 --> 00:07:01,778 and having sex with another man, 142 00:07:01,862 --> 00:07:03,157 so now there's a chance. 143 00:07:03,241 --> 00:07:04,984 So it's the taboo, 144 00:07:05,068 --> 00:07:08,053 it's the unattainable becoming slightly attainable, 145 00:07:08,137 --> 00:07:10,881 it's seeing what you wouldn't normally see. 146 00:07:10,965 --> 00:07:12,482 And here it is, laid out for you. 147 00:07:13,517 --> 00:07:14,916 I think the gay community loves 148 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,758 watching straight men in gay porn. 149 00:07:20,379 --> 00:07:22,950 I enjoy working with straight guys 150 00:07:23,034 --> 00:07:25,088 because it does give me a chance 151 00:07:25,172 --> 00:07:27,605 to experience guys that I 152 00:07:27,689 --> 00:07:30,586 wouldn't normally meet at a club. 153 00:07:35,689 --> 00:07:39,605 I find in my experience, having sex with gay men on camera, 154 00:07:39,689 --> 00:07:42,191 and having sex with straight men on camera, 155 00:07:42,275 --> 00:07:44,191 is pretty much the same, 156 00:07:44,275 --> 00:07:47,260 in the sense that we're being directed. 157 00:07:47,344 --> 00:07:49,157 Luckily, or in my experience, 158 00:07:49,241 --> 00:07:51,019 I've worked with professionals. 159 00:07:51,103 --> 00:07:54,019 So, whether or not you're gay or straight, 160 00:07:54,103 --> 00:07:56,088 we're all on set and there's a director, 161 00:07:56,172 --> 00:07:58,295 and you're eating his ass. 162 00:07:58,379 --> 00:07:59,778 We're all there to do a job. 163 00:07:59,862 --> 00:08:02,226 I've never personally experience 164 00:08:02,310 --> 00:08:03,916 somebody who said, 165 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:05,881 don't touch me there, or don't kiss me. 166 00:08:05,965 --> 00:08:07,398 That would be a big turn off for me. 167 00:08:07,482 --> 00:08:08,812 If there was somebody who didn't want to 168 00:08:08,896 --> 00:08:11,605 kiss on a set because they were straight, 169 00:08:11,689 --> 00:08:13,743 which I'm sure does happen, 170 00:08:13,827 --> 00:08:14,950 I wouldn't work with them. 171 00:08:15,034 --> 00:08:16,916 Of course, some guys were, I'm just a top. 172 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:18,778 Well, that's fine, that's what porn is. 173 00:08:18,862 --> 00:08:20,482 Somebody's gotta top, somebody's gotta bottom. 174 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:23,847 I did a lot of bottoming just because 175 00:08:23,931 --> 00:08:25,827 I could and I was reliable at it. 176 00:08:29,206 --> 00:08:31,191 In the gay community, for some reason, 177 00:08:31,275 --> 00:08:33,122 still today, bottoming is 178 00:08:33,206 --> 00:08:35,778 seen as the female role, 179 00:08:35,862 --> 00:08:37,812 and topping is the more masculine role. 180 00:08:37,896 --> 00:08:39,226 And I think that's so sad because 181 00:08:39,310 --> 00:08:40,640 it has nothing to do with that. 182 00:08:40,724 --> 00:08:42,674 And in fact, I think the person who is 183 00:08:42,758 --> 00:08:44,881 the bottom is the one who's in control. 184 00:08:44,965 --> 00:08:48,413 This is not happening without me saying yes. 185 00:08:50,793 --> 00:08:52,812 I think that straight guys are not 186 00:08:52,896 --> 00:08:55,502 necessarily more open minded to the idea, 187 00:08:55,586 --> 00:08:57,847 but they don't put any labels on it. 188 00:08:57,931 --> 00:09:00,068 It's just they're getting . 189 00:09:00,965 --> 00:09:03,088 It's not the womanly role, 190 00:09:03,172 --> 00:09:04,827 they're not seeing it that way. 191 00:09:10,379 --> 00:09:12,640 When I watch movies, 192 00:09:12,724 --> 00:09:14,950 TV, music, 193 00:09:15,034 --> 00:09:16,743 all of it is showing 194 00:09:16,827 --> 00:09:19,433 more and more leniency, 195 00:09:19,517 --> 00:09:21,881 where men are concerned with each other. 196 00:09:21,965 --> 00:09:24,571 They're allowing themselves, these bro. 197 00:09:24,655 --> 00:09:26,137 Even the term bromance... 198 00:09:27,517 --> 00:09:30,260 We're going down a path where we're opening the door, 199 00:09:30,344 --> 00:09:33,709 where it's okay, you can have an experience, 200 00:09:33,793 --> 00:09:35,019 it doesn't mean you're a certain way. 201 00:09:35,103 --> 00:09:37,034 It's just something that you want to try. 202 00:09:39,482 --> 00:09:41,329 I feel like gay for pay is gonna be 203 00:09:41,413 --> 00:09:44,950 around for a long time because 204 00:09:45,034 --> 00:09:48,812 even as men become more open sexually, 205 00:09:48,896 --> 00:09:51,502 and they're willing to experiment with each other, 206 00:09:51,586 --> 00:09:53,950 and it becomes more socially acceptable, 207 00:09:54,034 --> 00:09:55,157 at the end of the day, 208 00:09:55,241 --> 00:09:56,812 I feel it's almost like a fetish. 209 00:09:56,896 --> 00:09:59,364 So there's leather, you're into bondage, 210 00:09:59,448 --> 00:10:00,605 you're into straight guys. 211 00:10:00,689 --> 00:10:02,605 It just falls into one of those categories. 212 00:10:02,689 --> 00:10:04,916 I don't see it going away any time soon 213 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,206 because leather is not going anywhere. 214 00:10:10,448 --> 00:10:13,467 This is an industry, God bless it, I love it. 215 00:10:13,551 --> 00:10:15,295 It's always at the forefront. 216 00:10:15,379 --> 00:10:17,709 It was on the internet before anything else was. 217 00:10:17,793 --> 00:10:19,743 It was the biggest thing on the internet before 218 00:10:19,827 --> 00:10:21,916 anything else probably still is. 219 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:23,743 Mobile devices, it's always at 220 00:10:23,827 --> 00:10:25,226 the forefront of whatever it is. 221 00:10:25,310 --> 00:10:28,157 If I could predict what the next 10 years of porn, 222 00:10:28,241 --> 00:10:30,467 I would be a multi-millionaire for sure 223 00:10:30,551 --> 00:10:33,433 because it will go wherever it goes, 224 00:10:33,517 --> 00:10:35,502 but it'll be the first one there, 225 00:10:35,586 --> 00:10:37,950 people will be watching it, however they're watching it, 226 00:10:38,034 --> 00:10:40,482 it'll always be there because sex sells. 227 00:10:47,827 --> 00:10:49,743 If a man has sex with another man, 228 00:10:49,827 --> 00:10:52,103 can he still say he's straight, and why? 229 00:10:53,310 --> 00:10:53,984 Yes. 230 00:10:54,068 --> 00:10:54,551 - No. - No. 231 00:10:55,827 --> 00:10:57,398 Can he still say he's straight? 232 00:10:57,482 --> 00:10:58,398 Yes. 233 00:10:58,482 --> 00:11:00,536 I don't think so, actually. 234 00:11:00,620 --> 00:11:02,433 Well, he's obviously having it with another man, 235 00:11:02,517 --> 00:11:04,122 not with a straight woman. 236 00:11:04,206 --> 00:11:05,674 Yeah. 237 00:11:05,758 --> 00:11:07,398 - Could be a mental thing. - It depends how he feels. 238 00:11:07,482 --> 00:11:09,571 I think I may have done something like that, 239 00:11:09,655 --> 00:11:12,364 and I don't think it makes me gay. 240 00:11:12,448 --> 00:11:14,640 I think a person's identity, 241 00:11:14,724 --> 00:11:17,674 as far as you classify yourself as, 242 00:11:17,758 --> 00:11:19,916 is really your own business and nobody else's. 243 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:21,088 Is this going on TV because I don't 244 00:11:21,172 --> 00:11:22,847 want my mom to see this. 245 00:11:22,931 --> 00:11:25,709 I think your sexuality is 246 00:11:25,793 --> 00:11:27,364 entirely your own, 247 00:11:27,448 --> 00:11:29,950 and however you judge that as a person, 248 00:11:30,034 --> 00:11:33,295 however you name yourself 249 00:11:33,379 --> 00:11:34,916 is the best thing. 250 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:36,295 You have to let them believe 251 00:11:36,379 --> 00:11:37,571 whatever they want to believe 252 00:11:37,655 --> 00:11:39,674 for them to actually do a scene with you, right? 253 00:11:39,758 --> 00:11:42,191 If they say they're straight to you, they're straight. 254 00:11:42,275 --> 00:11:43,640 There's no question about it. 255 00:11:43,724 --> 00:11:45,709 You can't question somebody else's sexuality, 256 00:11:45,793 --> 00:11:47,536 it's theirs to decide, right? 257 00:11:47,620 --> 00:11:49,916 If you've had sex with a man, 258 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:52,364 and it's not something that you do on a regular basis, 259 00:11:52,448 --> 00:11:53,551 it's something you've tried, 260 00:11:54,793 --> 00:11:56,605 am I to judge anyone for saying they're still 261 00:11:56,689 --> 00:11:58,571 straight even though they've tried their options? 262 00:11:58,655 --> 00:11:59,743 Yeah, it could be an experiment, 263 00:11:59,827 --> 00:12:00,916 it could be the beginning. 264 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,206 It's a very individual choice, I think. 265 00:12:08,448 --> 00:12:11,260 Gay for pay is you go on set, 266 00:12:11,344 --> 00:12:13,847 and you make your mind think you're gay, 267 00:12:13,931 --> 00:12:15,053 and you get paid for it. 268 00:12:15,137 --> 00:12:16,950 You come on here and you have gay sex, 269 00:12:17,034 --> 00:12:18,620 and you go home with a paycheck. 270 00:12:20,793 --> 00:12:24,295 They found me on Myspace, back in the day. 271 00:12:24,379 --> 00:12:26,709 They offered me a good bit of money. 272 00:12:26,793 --> 00:12:29,812 Fresh out of high school, that good bit of money, 273 00:12:29,896 --> 00:12:32,053 is something a little different 274 00:12:32,137 --> 00:12:34,605 when you're working a minimum wage job. 275 00:12:34,689 --> 00:12:36,847 I decided to come out here and do it. 276 00:12:36,931 --> 00:12:39,881 The solo was nerve racking at first. 277 00:12:39,965 --> 00:12:41,778 Especially coming into the studio, 278 00:12:41,862 --> 00:12:43,019 it was kind of sketchy. 279 00:12:43,103 --> 00:12:45,881 I wasn't sure how it was gonna turn out, 280 00:12:45,965 --> 00:12:47,812 but they made it real comfortable, 281 00:12:47,896 --> 00:12:50,019 so I was like okay, whatever. 282 00:12:50,103 --> 00:12:53,881 I guess I was expecting more of a slower 283 00:12:53,965 --> 00:12:55,950 process into doing the whole thing, 284 00:12:56,034 --> 00:12:58,260 and then it was just kind of come back here, 285 00:12:58,344 --> 00:13:00,536 here's the studio, get naked. 286 00:13:00,620 --> 00:13:02,881 I said alright, that was nerve racking because I've 287 00:13:02,965 --> 00:13:06,812 never been naked in front of anybody other than 288 00:13:06,896 --> 00:13:10,536 me and a girlfriend or something like that. 289 00:13:10,620 --> 00:13:12,295 When you have about three or four people 290 00:13:12,379 --> 00:13:14,950 with cameras and you're naked in front of this, 291 00:13:15,034 --> 00:13:16,364 it's pretty nerve racking. 292 00:13:16,448 --> 00:13:19,295 Eventually, the cameras just disappear, 293 00:13:19,379 --> 00:13:22,260 pretty much just like jerking off at home. 294 00:13:22,344 --> 00:13:24,000 That's what it turned out to be. 295 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:29,950 I wasn't gonna do a sex scene 296 00:13:30,034 --> 00:13:32,674 until that money ran out. 297 00:13:32,758 --> 00:13:35,157 As soon as they offered me more money 298 00:13:35,241 --> 00:13:36,674 to come back and do a sex scene, 299 00:13:36,758 --> 00:13:39,260 I was like no, no, absolutely not. 300 00:13:39,344 --> 00:13:43,088 But thought about it a little bit and experimented at home. 301 00:13:43,172 --> 00:13:45,640 And it was kind of like, well, that ain't too bad. 302 00:13:45,724 --> 00:13:47,364 I can do that and come back with a 303 00:13:47,448 --> 00:13:49,191 pocket full of money, that'd be great. 304 00:13:49,275 --> 00:13:51,019 So, I called them back and said 305 00:13:51,103 --> 00:13:52,605 I'd like to do a sex scene. 306 00:13:52,689 --> 00:13:56,053 They let me top, the first sex scene I did, 307 00:13:56,137 --> 00:13:57,605 just to kind of ease me into it, 308 00:13:57,689 --> 00:13:59,778 which they're not doing that much anymore. 309 00:13:59,862 --> 00:14:02,364 But once I got used to the feeling, 310 00:14:02,448 --> 00:14:04,467 and it actually feels good. 311 00:14:04,551 --> 00:14:06,433 I was like, well, get paid to do something 312 00:14:06,517 --> 00:14:08,536 that feels good, that's awesome. 313 00:14:08,620 --> 00:14:09,812 When you come out here, 314 00:14:09,896 --> 00:14:12,191 it's more work than it is pleasure but, 315 00:14:12,275 --> 00:14:14,916 the viewer always sees pleasure because 316 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:16,916 that's what you've got to portray. 317 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:19,122 So you've got to, from the get go, 318 00:14:19,206 --> 00:14:21,536 have the right attitude, your mind right. 319 00:14:21,620 --> 00:14:23,793 But it's definitely a lot of work. 320 00:14:27,172 --> 00:14:28,812 When I was first getting into it, 321 00:14:28,896 --> 00:14:31,812 there was a lot of confusion going on in my head. 322 00:14:31,896 --> 00:14:34,398 I thought I might have been gay for enjoying it. 323 00:14:34,482 --> 00:14:36,916 I wasn't sure what was going on, 324 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:40,916 but I realized that the feeling is everybody, 325 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:44,709 all men enjoyed prostate stimulation. 326 00:14:44,793 --> 00:14:47,778 I went from thinking I was gay to being bisexual. 327 00:14:47,862 --> 00:14:49,984 And really, it's just I'm straight. 328 00:14:50,068 --> 00:14:53,191 I like the prostrate stimulation part of it, 329 00:14:53,275 --> 00:14:55,812 and that's pretty much all there is to it. 330 00:14:55,896 --> 00:14:57,433 I don't find men attractive. 331 00:14:57,517 --> 00:14:59,122 I don't get any kind of relationships or 332 00:14:59,206 --> 00:15:01,847 desires to be in a relationship with a man. 333 00:15:01,931 --> 00:15:04,433 I like women for that aspect. 334 00:15:04,517 --> 00:15:07,467 But coming out here to have gay sex, 335 00:15:07,551 --> 00:15:09,778 is not a bad thing to get paid for. 336 00:15:09,862 --> 00:15:12,226 I guess I would classify myself as 337 00:15:12,310 --> 00:15:15,758 being straight but enjoying gay sex. 338 00:15:20,517 --> 00:15:23,019 It's become a second nature to me, 339 00:15:23,103 --> 00:15:25,295 to come out here and flip my mind to this 340 00:15:25,379 --> 00:15:27,068 and flip it off when I go home. 341 00:15:29,827 --> 00:15:31,605 There's a lot of mind games, 342 00:15:31,689 --> 00:15:34,329 like when I'm going in to suck a dick. 343 00:15:34,413 --> 00:15:37,398 It's kind of one of those things where I tell myself, 344 00:15:37,482 --> 00:15:39,571 I love dick, I love dick, I love dick. 345 00:15:39,655 --> 00:15:41,329 You gotta just talk yourself into it. 346 00:15:41,413 --> 00:15:42,743 And once you tell yourself enough, 347 00:15:42,827 --> 00:15:44,295 you start believing in yourself. 348 00:15:44,379 --> 00:15:46,812 It actually is arousing once you've 349 00:15:46,896 --> 00:15:49,206 trained yourself to think in that way. 350 00:15:52,068 --> 00:15:53,536 So it's official. 351 00:15:53,620 --> 00:15:55,157 Curtis, you're much better at sucking dick than horseshoes. 352 00:15:55,241 --> 00:15:57,275 Yeah, maybe I should stick with that. 353 00:15:58,379 --> 00:16:01,709 What I watch between scenes is DP, 354 00:16:01,793 --> 00:16:04,088 if you're familiar with that, double penetration. 355 00:16:04,172 --> 00:16:05,329 That's my favorite. 356 00:16:05,413 --> 00:16:09,019 If I'm bottoming, I try to picture myself 357 00:16:09,103 --> 00:16:11,329 as being the girl in the scene. 358 00:16:11,413 --> 00:16:14,329 She's being dominated, she's helpless, 359 00:16:14,413 --> 00:16:16,881 doesn't have any control over what's going on. 360 00:16:16,965 --> 00:16:19,881 That helps me get in that mindset. 361 00:16:19,965 --> 00:16:22,916 For me, it's the feeling alone 362 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:24,984 that helps me maintain the erection. 363 00:16:25,068 --> 00:16:27,088 Being aroused, it makes things easier. 364 00:16:27,172 --> 00:16:30,847 It also helps with your natural reactions, 365 00:16:30,931 --> 00:16:34,295 your facial expressions, your moans, all that stuff. 366 00:16:34,379 --> 00:16:37,571 I prefer to now, to top, 367 00:16:37,655 --> 00:16:40,916 just because I've bottom for so much. 368 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:44,517 And it's just, going home with a sore ass. 369 00:16:46,793 --> 00:16:48,157 It gets old. 370 00:16:48,241 --> 00:16:49,984 Being able to come out here and just top 371 00:16:50,068 --> 00:16:53,122 and then go home and be 100% feeling good 372 00:16:53,206 --> 00:16:55,157 and have a pocket full of money is, 373 00:16:55,241 --> 00:16:56,482 makes it a lot easier. 374 00:16:59,517 --> 00:17:02,329 I built my business to be able to bring in money, 375 00:17:02,413 --> 00:17:04,226 so that I don't have to come out here anymore. 376 00:17:04,310 --> 00:17:06,398 I got into doing home improvements, 377 00:17:06,482 --> 00:17:08,364 came out here, did a bunch of shoots, 378 00:17:08,448 --> 00:17:11,502 bought a truck and trailer, a bunch of tools. 379 00:17:11,586 --> 00:17:14,191 It's more enjoyable for me to get out there 380 00:17:14,275 --> 00:17:16,191 and sweat and do manual labor than 381 00:17:16,275 --> 00:17:19,019 it is to come out here and do this. 382 00:17:19,103 --> 00:17:20,467 I'm at the point where I'm getting 383 00:17:20,551 --> 00:17:22,605 close to being able to just run my 384 00:17:22,689 --> 00:17:25,517 business and retire from the porn industry. 385 00:17:27,310 --> 00:17:29,329 After my porn career is over, 386 00:17:29,413 --> 00:17:32,398 I would probably keep having sex with men, 387 00:17:32,482 --> 00:17:34,034 if my wife allowed it. 388 00:17:37,862 --> 00:17:39,881 Me and Linda, we met... 389 00:17:39,965 --> 00:17:41,881 I moved up to North Carolina to 390 00:17:41,965 --> 00:17:43,916 take care of my grandmother. 391 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:45,709 And she had just moved up 392 00:17:45,793 --> 00:17:48,157 there for the same reason, 393 00:17:48,241 --> 00:17:50,502 five days earlier than me. 394 00:17:50,586 --> 00:17:54,433 And while I was up there, I had nobody at all. 395 00:17:54,517 --> 00:17:56,536 Me and her fell in love and got 396 00:17:56,620 --> 00:17:58,640 married in Gatlinburg, Tennessee. 397 00:17:58,724 --> 00:18:01,364 After being together for about eight months, 398 00:18:01,448 --> 00:18:03,916 she moved back to Florida with me. 399 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:06,433 She's been helping me, she runs the business, 400 00:18:06,517 --> 00:18:10,329 does all the paperwork, and she loves to paint. 401 00:18:10,413 --> 00:18:12,709 So I told her, you keep painting, 402 00:18:12,793 --> 00:18:14,467 I'll keep doing my part and 403 00:18:14,551 --> 00:18:15,709 we'll just enjoy this business. 404 00:18:15,793 --> 00:18:17,295 Get up in the morning together, 405 00:18:17,379 --> 00:18:19,571 drive in my truck, go to each job together, 406 00:18:19,655 --> 00:18:23,000 and go to sleep together, just joined at the hip. 407 00:18:26,931 --> 00:18:27,482 Hey baby. 408 00:18:28,379 --> 00:18:29,743 Hey baby. 409 00:18:29,827 --> 00:18:30,847 That's a nice shirt. 410 00:18:30,931 --> 00:18:31,640 I miss you. 411 00:18:31,724 --> 00:18:32,655 I miss you too. 412 00:18:33,827 --> 00:18:35,019 I'm ready for you to come home. 413 00:18:35,103 --> 00:18:36,778 I'm coming home tomorrow. 414 00:18:36,862 --> 00:18:39,019 It sucks being away for so long. 415 00:18:39,103 --> 00:18:40,551 I got some money though. 416 00:18:41,620 --> 00:18:42,275 Yeah? 417 00:18:43,655 --> 00:18:44,984 How'd the shoot go? 418 00:18:45,068 --> 00:18:48,088 It went good, it went pretty smooth. 419 00:18:48,172 --> 00:18:49,536 Tired of doing it. 420 00:18:49,620 --> 00:18:50,984 Don't go out there anymore then. 421 00:18:51,068 --> 00:18:53,157 Does it bug you that I'm still doing this? 422 00:18:53,241 --> 00:18:55,088 No, not at all. 423 00:18:55,172 --> 00:18:57,053 I don't like to see you unhappy 424 00:18:57,137 --> 00:18:58,448 when you go out there and do it. 425 00:18:59,655 --> 00:19:01,329 If you don't wanna do it, don't do it. 426 00:19:01,413 --> 00:19:02,916 Then why don't you do it? 427 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:04,295 Give me a break. 428 00:19:04,379 --> 00:19:05,502 Where does it says that, 429 00:19:05,586 --> 00:19:08,329 if I could just do lesbian porn, I would. 430 00:19:08,413 --> 00:19:10,295 Yeah, gotta know people. 431 00:19:10,379 --> 00:19:11,916 Find somebody that knows people, 432 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,758 and then I'll do lesbian porn and give you a break. 433 00:19:16,172 --> 00:19:17,605 To be completely honest, 434 00:19:17,689 --> 00:19:21,088 if we weren't trying to buy a house and things like that, 435 00:19:21,172 --> 00:19:23,260 I don't think you would do it. 436 00:19:23,344 --> 00:19:26,847 I totally support him in whatever he wants to do, 437 00:19:26,931 --> 00:19:30,709 but I know how hard it is. 438 00:19:30,793 --> 00:19:32,931 He comes home exhausted. 439 00:19:34,068 --> 00:19:35,984 Just mentally and physically drained, 440 00:19:36,068 --> 00:19:37,364 and that aspect of it, 441 00:19:37,448 --> 00:19:39,467 I don't like to see my husband that way. 442 00:19:39,551 --> 00:19:42,743 If he decided that he did not 443 00:19:42,827 --> 00:19:44,640 want to continue doing it, 444 00:19:44,724 --> 00:19:47,743 that I would help him and I would do 445 00:19:47,827 --> 00:19:50,398 whatever it takes to ensure that 446 00:19:50,482 --> 00:19:51,743 he doesn't have to continue doing 447 00:19:51,827 --> 00:19:53,743 this if he doesn't want to. 448 00:19:53,827 --> 00:19:56,674 I signed up for a camp site while 449 00:19:56,758 --> 00:19:59,295 you were gone over the weekend. 450 00:19:59,379 --> 00:20:01,536 Sweet, make any money? 451 00:20:01,620 --> 00:20:03,536 No, not yet, I just signed up. 452 00:20:03,620 --> 00:20:05,053 I haven't done anything on it yet, 453 00:20:05,137 --> 00:20:06,674 I haven't had the time. 454 00:20:06,758 --> 00:20:09,916 I read online that people think 455 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:11,916 that I'm only married to my husband 456 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:15,502 because of the money that he makes. 457 00:20:15,586 --> 00:20:17,916 That's really, really hurtful. 458 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:19,950 I met and fell in love with him 459 00:20:20,034 --> 00:20:23,640 before I even knew what he did. 460 00:20:23,724 --> 00:20:25,916 If you don't know someone, 461 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:29,053 and you don't know what they're going through, 462 00:20:29,137 --> 00:20:31,812 or how they feel about anything, 463 00:20:31,896 --> 00:20:33,137 just keep your mouth shut. 464 00:20:36,275 --> 00:20:38,916 They asked me on the shoot earlier 465 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:41,260 if I would still have sex with men 466 00:20:41,344 --> 00:20:43,709 after I did the porn shoot and I told them, 467 00:20:43,793 --> 00:20:46,053 I was like, well, it feels good, 468 00:20:46,137 --> 00:20:49,329 but that'd be something my wife would have 469 00:20:49,413 --> 00:20:53,122 to agree to if I were to want to someday. 470 00:20:53,206 --> 00:20:54,674 What do you think? 471 00:20:54,758 --> 00:20:57,053 Would you let me sleep with another girl if I wanted to? 472 00:20:57,137 --> 00:21:00,191 Well, obviously, as long as I can watch. 473 00:21:00,275 --> 00:21:02,103 Well, alright, as long as I can watch. 474 00:21:04,827 --> 00:21:06,827 Alright baby, I'm gonna get back at it. 475 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:09,122 Alright baby, I'm gonna go back to work. 476 00:21:09,206 --> 00:21:10,571 Alright, love you. 477 00:21:10,655 --> 00:21:11,413 I love you too. 478 00:21:15,862 --> 00:21:17,260 When my mom found out, 479 00:21:17,344 --> 00:21:19,467 she was asking me, now, are you gay and all this. 480 00:21:19,551 --> 00:21:23,157 And I said no, it's money, I'm not gay. 481 00:21:23,241 --> 00:21:26,260 I enjoy it, but I don't find men attractive. 482 00:21:26,344 --> 00:21:29,053 I didn't talk to my mom for a real long time. 483 00:21:29,137 --> 00:21:33,019 I think it was mostly because I was embarrassed about it. 484 00:21:33,103 --> 00:21:35,019 Me and my mom hadn't been 485 00:21:35,103 --> 00:21:37,950 real close at all growing up. 486 00:21:38,034 --> 00:21:39,640 It was mainly me and my dad, 487 00:21:39,724 --> 00:21:41,226 so it didn't really bother me that 488 00:21:41,310 --> 00:21:43,122 I didn't talk to my mom much. 489 00:21:43,206 --> 00:21:45,950 But my dad recently found out. 490 00:21:46,034 --> 00:21:48,364 My dad's a real redneck, 491 00:21:48,448 --> 00:21:50,674 close-minded type of person, 492 00:21:50,758 --> 00:21:53,034 so he pretty much disowned me. 493 00:21:55,482 --> 00:21:57,053 He's a bad alcoholic, 494 00:21:57,137 --> 00:21:59,571 a case of beer a day, that's my dad. 495 00:21:59,655 --> 00:22:01,088 And having to deal with him because 496 00:22:01,172 --> 00:22:03,778 when he gets drunk, he's very mean. 497 00:22:03,862 --> 00:22:07,398 The first thing that comes up now when he gets drunk is, 498 00:22:07,482 --> 00:22:10,640 faggot, just a very mean person. 499 00:22:10,724 --> 00:22:14,482 So it wasn't hard for me to say peace. 500 00:22:16,310 --> 00:22:18,329 What is that quote? 501 00:22:18,413 --> 00:22:21,122 Be who you are, say what you feel 502 00:22:21,206 --> 00:22:24,536 because those who mind don't matter. 503 00:22:24,620 --> 00:22:26,329 And those who matter don't mind, 504 00:22:26,413 --> 00:22:27,655 and that's how I feel. 505 00:22:29,448 --> 00:22:31,984 I got my wife and we're close. 506 00:22:32,068 --> 00:22:33,000 That's all I need. 507 00:22:40,068 --> 00:22:41,433 I was never really curious about 508 00:22:41,517 --> 00:22:43,103 guys while I was growing up. 509 00:22:44,482 --> 00:22:47,068 It only really started until after I was about 20. 510 00:22:48,310 --> 00:22:49,571 There was a few times where I was 511 00:22:49,655 --> 00:22:51,916 growing up where I was curious about guys. 512 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:53,586 Messed around a few times, 513 00:22:54,862 --> 00:22:56,433 after a party or something. 514 00:22:56,517 --> 00:22:59,122 Me and my buddy would hang out, but it's been a while. 515 00:22:59,206 --> 00:23:01,260 I wasn't really too curious about guys, 516 00:23:01,344 --> 00:23:03,916 but I've always been really comfortable with my sexuality. 517 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:05,364 Yeah, I would say I was curious 518 00:23:05,448 --> 00:23:07,019 about guys while growing up, 519 00:23:07,103 --> 00:23:09,226 before I even understood sex roles, 520 00:23:09,310 --> 00:23:11,122 with male, female, things like that. 521 00:23:11,206 --> 00:23:12,640 I never had any experience 522 00:23:12,724 --> 00:23:13,984 with guys while I was growing up, 523 00:23:14,068 --> 00:23:16,984 so I can't say that I had experiences. 524 00:23:17,068 --> 00:23:18,984 But I'm sure there's times where 525 00:23:19,068 --> 00:23:20,364 I probably thought about things 526 00:23:20,448 --> 00:23:22,950 and how it would feel to have sex with 527 00:23:23,034 --> 00:23:26,000 the same sex, having anal sex. 528 00:23:28,206 --> 00:23:30,329 I was never curious about men, ever. 529 00:23:30,413 --> 00:23:33,778 I had a curious nature about myself, 530 00:23:33,862 --> 00:23:35,847 and about my own body. 531 00:23:35,931 --> 00:23:39,019 But I never did have any thoughts about 532 00:23:39,103 --> 00:23:41,172 other boys or men growing up. 533 00:23:44,896 --> 00:23:47,088 I never experienced homophobia. 534 00:23:47,172 --> 00:23:48,536 Just because I was straight, 535 00:23:48,620 --> 00:23:50,088 I don't think that implies that 536 00:23:50,172 --> 00:23:51,950 you have to be homophobic ever. 537 00:23:52,034 --> 00:23:54,965 But now that I've had sex with men, 538 00:23:57,310 --> 00:24:00,206 I feel even more comfortable around gay people. 539 00:24:01,344 --> 00:24:03,433 I grew up in a really conservative, small, 540 00:24:03,517 --> 00:24:06,398 Southern town and actually was homophobic as a kid. 541 00:24:06,482 --> 00:24:10,709 We made terrible, homophobic jokes towards each other. 542 00:24:10,793 --> 00:24:13,605 By the time I got around to doing porn as an adult, 543 00:24:13,689 --> 00:24:15,640 I had a different outlook on it. 544 00:24:15,724 --> 00:24:19,053 And especially having done gay porn, 545 00:24:19,137 --> 00:24:22,674 definitely washed away all those homophobic tendencies. 546 00:24:22,758 --> 00:24:25,053 I've never had an issue with homophobia. 547 00:24:25,137 --> 00:24:28,260 That's kind of a strong term to use. 548 00:24:28,344 --> 00:24:31,502 Being around it though, being around the action 549 00:24:31,586 --> 00:24:34,329 of man on man sex is definitely made me 550 00:24:34,413 --> 00:24:37,329 more comfortable with, not just gay men, 551 00:24:37,413 --> 00:24:38,551 but just everything. 552 00:24:42,310 --> 00:24:45,502 There's so much commentary online and debate 553 00:24:45,586 --> 00:24:47,916 over who's gay and who's straight because 554 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,640 it really fuels fantasies when 555 00:24:50,724 --> 00:24:54,053 people can see someone they like, 556 00:24:54,137 --> 00:24:57,295 and if they're actually gay, that kinda gives them a chance. 557 00:24:57,379 --> 00:24:59,398 There's a lot of commentary online 558 00:24:59,482 --> 00:25:01,088 about who's gay and straight because 559 00:25:01,172 --> 00:25:03,586 people have to put a label on something. 560 00:25:04,827 --> 00:25:07,206 In all honesty, who gives a shit? 561 00:25:08,586 --> 00:25:10,364 The reason I think there's so much commentary 562 00:25:10,448 --> 00:25:12,088 and debate online about who's gay 563 00:25:12,172 --> 00:25:13,482 or straight is because 564 00:25:15,517 --> 00:25:17,329 we're talking about people's sexual identity. 565 00:25:17,413 --> 00:25:19,536 People don't want you to 566 00:25:19,620 --> 00:25:22,778 identify with something that they identify with, 567 00:25:22,862 --> 00:25:25,984 and subvert that, and I think that's fair. 568 00:25:26,068 --> 00:25:29,709 People probably get upset over the fact that 569 00:25:29,793 --> 00:25:32,709 people are acting as they're 570 00:25:32,793 --> 00:25:34,778 gay when they're really not, 571 00:25:34,862 --> 00:25:37,950 or faking it just for money and doing porn. 572 00:25:38,034 --> 00:25:41,413 But at the same time, everybody needs a job. 573 00:25:42,862 --> 00:25:45,364 I think it's because for 574 00:25:45,448 --> 00:25:47,260 one part of people, 575 00:25:47,344 --> 00:25:49,640 I think would like to have the fantasy 576 00:25:49,724 --> 00:25:51,896 of having that person be gay 577 00:25:53,551 --> 00:25:55,413 because they're gay and they would like 578 00:25:56,413 --> 00:25:58,364 that thought to be true. 579 00:25:58,448 --> 00:26:02,329 Other than that, I think that the main reason would be 580 00:26:02,413 --> 00:26:04,827 because they don't understand how gay porn works. 581 00:26:13,793 --> 00:26:14,793 PG photos boys. 582 00:26:28,827 --> 00:26:31,502 I love Sean Cody, I love the way we treat our models. 583 00:26:31,586 --> 00:26:32,709 I love the way we treat our staff. 584 00:26:32,793 --> 00:26:34,536 I love the brand name we've created. 585 00:26:34,620 --> 00:26:36,088 Here we, you get to know the model. 586 00:26:36,172 --> 00:26:37,571 You get to have some behind the scene. 587 00:26:37,655 --> 00:26:39,088 You get to watch them grow over time. 588 00:26:39,172 --> 00:26:40,640 You feel like you're becoming friends with the models. 589 00:26:40,724 --> 00:26:41,916 You feel like you know them personally. 590 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:43,329 So we wanna make sure that people 591 00:26:43,413 --> 00:26:44,950 want to relate to our models as well. 592 00:26:45,034 --> 00:26:46,847 We realize that pretty early on that 593 00:26:46,931 --> 00:26:49,019 a happy model is a good thing for us. 594 00:26:49,103 --> 00:26:50,571 We have them get picked up at the airport, 595 00:26:50,655 --> 00:26:51,916 we have them stay at a nice hotel, 596 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:53,778 we feed them, obviously we feed them. 597 00:26:53,862 --> 00:26:55,191 But we give them whatever they want. 598 00:26:55,275 --> 00:26:56,571 Want us to go to the beach, we'll go have a beach. 599 00:26:56,655 --> 00:26:58,019 We like to keep them happy because 600 00:26:58,103 --> 00:26:59,984 happy models make happy films. 601 00:27:00,068 --> 00:27:01,000 Are you good, do you need anything? 602 00:27:02,931 --> 00:27:04,295 You can get a five hour energy, yeah. 603 00:27:04,379 --> 00:27:05,329 We have some really good talents, 604 00:27:05,413 --> 00:27:06,364 and we don't want them trying 605 00:27:06,448 --> 00:27:07,467 to crawl over to other sites. 606 00:27:07,551 --> 00:27:08,433 When I first got hired, 607 00:27:08,517 --> 00:27:09,640 my boss asked me what would 608 00:27:09,724 --> 00:27:11,364 make me a good camera person, 609 00:27:11,448 --> 00:27:13,398 and I told them I was a bartender, 610 00:27:13,482 --> 00:27:15,088 so I know how to deal with people 611 00:27:15,172 --> 00:27:17,191 that aren't always on their best behavior. 612 00:27:17,275 --> 00:27:18,467 And I was also a camp counselor, 613 00:27:18,551 --> 00:27:20,137 so I know how to deal with immaturity. 614 00:27:21,344 --> 00:27:23,364 Alright, throw your clothes on, Brandon. 615 00:27:23,448 --> 00:27:24,916 You look ridiculous when you do that. 616 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:26,847 Maybe do both, yeah, do both hands. 617 00:27:26,931 --> 00:27:27,896 Look at me. 618 00:27:30,586 --> 00:27:31,984 I'm publishing that one. 619 00:27:32,068 --> 00:27:33,122 You're welcome. 620 00:27:33,206 --> 00:27:34,260 When you're working with models, 621 00:27:34,344 --> 00:27:35,881 they're all over the map. 622 00:27:35,965 --> 00:27:36,916 They could be having a great day, 623 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:38,053 they could be frustrated, 624 00:27:38,137 --> 00:27:40,053 they could be very young and inexperienced. 625 00:27:40,137 --> 00:27:41,640 It's basically becoming friends with 626 00:27:41,724 --> 00:27:43,122 them and making them trust you, 627 00:27:43,206 --> 00:27:45,640 and then working with them so they understand what 628 00:27:45,724 --> 00:27:47,433 you need from them and what they need from you. 629 00:27:47,517 --> 00:27:48,605 It's a lot of give and pull. 630 00:27:48,689 --> 00:27:49,433 Hey. 631 00:27:49,517 --> 00:27:50,896 No, no, hey, hey. 632 00:27:51,965 --> 00:27:53,103 Do you wanna say hi to him? 633 00:27:54,586 --> 00:27:55,586 I'm just so anxious. 634 00:27:56,724 --> 00:27:58,088 Some days are easier than others. 635 00:27:58,172 --> 00:27:59,364 There's some days where we leave set and we're exhausted. 636 00:27:59,448 --> 00:28:00,950 I think you just have to relate, 637 00:28:01,034 --> 00:28:02,950 relate to models and make them wanna be here, 638 00:28:03,034 --> 00:28:04,916 because no one wants to feel uncomfortable on set. 639 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:06,433 So we poke and we make fun of each other. 640 00:28:06,517 --> 00:28:08,191 I text the models, make sure they're happy, 641 00:28:08,275 --> 00:28:09,778 make sure their normal life is going well. 642 00:28:09,862 --> 00:28:12,088 So that when they come here I know I can relate to them. 643 00:28:12,172 --> 00:28:13,467 You're like, oh hey, how's your new car? 644 00:28:13,551 --> 00:28:15,295 How's your new motorcycle, how's your wife? 645 00:28:15,379 --> 00:28:16,689 How's your job, how's your kids? 646 00:28:20,034 --> 00:28:21,467 When I'm filming on set, 647 00:28:21,551 --> 00:28:23,640 I have a lot of models will come up to me and be like, 648 00:28:23,724 --> 00:28:25,122 hey, I thought I was straight and all of a sudden, 649 00:28:25,206 --> 00:28:28,053 they'll be like, maybe I like this, maybe I don't. 650 00:28:28,137 --> 00:28:30,295 Curtis, specifically, has no problem with it. 651 00:28:30,379 --> 00:28:32,295 In fact, he talks about how great it would be 652 00:28:32,379 --> 00:28:34,916 if his wife would have sex with him with a strap on. 653 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:36,467 He knows his body, he knows what feels good, 654 00:28:36,551 --> 00:28:38,260 and he's pretty open about it. 655 00:28:38,344 --> 00:28:39,709 But he loves his wife, 656 00:28:39,793 --> 00:28:41,502 but he also loves coming here and having sex. 657 00:28:41,586 --> 00:28:43,467 So Curtis, are you gonna give your demonstration 658 00:28:43,551 --> 00:28:44,950 of your world famous blow job? 659 00:28:45,034 --> 00:28:45,674 Oh yeah. 660 00:28:45,758 --> 00:28:46,310 Yeah? 661 00:28:47,206 --> 00:28:48,329 Look at that smile on your face. 662 00:28:48,413 --> 00:28:50,847 Alright, show the boy what he's in for. 663 00:28:50,931 --> 00:28:53,137 He's a little backwoods guy, he's very simple. 664 00:28:55,137 --> 00:28:56,502 Dean is very eccentric. 665 00:28:56,586 --> 00:28:58,295 When he's not behind the camera, he's juggling, 666 00:28:58,379 --> 00:29:01,329 doing handstands, back flips, telling random stories. 667 00:29:01,413 --> 00:29:03,295 My tingly face was tingling. 668 00:29:03,379 --> 00:29:05,329 It's about the sensation you get 669 00:29:05,413 --> 00:29:07,758 when your ass gets real good. 670 00:29:09,068 --> 00:29:10,157 Has that ever happened before? 671 00:29:10,241 --> 00:29:12,088 Only when the dick is good. 672 00:29:12,172 --> 00:29:13,605 He has a whole kinky side to him in his 673 00:29:13,689 --> 00:29:17,571 personal life that he's been very, very vocal about. 674 00:29:17,655 --> 00:29:18,812 He's a good kid. 675 00:29:18,896 --> 00:29:19,916 I don't really know anyone that's not 676 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:21,241 had a time working with him. 677 00:29:22,448 --> 00:29:23,847 It's unique, but we have a lot of models 678 00:29:23,931 --> 00:29:25,674 that will open up and they'll pull me aside 679 00:29:25,758 --> 00:29:26,778 and be like, I'm having weird feelings, 680 00:29:26,862 --> 00:29:28,329 and I'll just be like, not today. 681 00:29:28,413 --> 00:29:30,191 I don't wanna deal with your commit story today, 682 00:29:30,275 --> 00:29:31,122 let's just go to work. 683 00:29:31,206 --> 00:29:32,517 It happens more than you think. 684 00:29:33,689 --> 00:29:35,088 We like to say we're amateurs because we're 685 00:29:35,172 --> 00:29:36,916 working with models that have never done any work before. 686 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,743 So, we're coaching them through how to move, 687 00:29:39,827 --> 00:29:41,743 how to breathe, how to act on camera, 688 00:29:41,827 --> 00:29:44,758 making sure that they are coming across as good as they can. 689 00:29:46,103 --> 00:29:46,689 Pause. 690 00:29:47,689 --> 00:29:48,778 No, no, don't move. 691 00:29:48,862 --> 00:29:49,916 Remember exactly where your hands were, 692 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:51,157 remember exactly where your legs were. 693 00:29:51,241 --> 00:29:52,502 So why did we pause? 694 00:29:52,586 --> 00:29:54,571 Curtis had Listerine all over his mouth. 695 00:29:54,655 --> 00:29:56,467 It's not the sexiest thing when you have blue mouth. 696 00:29:56,551 --> 00:29:58,241 Don't come out until it's clean, okay? 697 00:29:59,310 --> 00:29:59,931 Let me see your tongue. 698 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:01,551 Much better. 699 00:30:02,655 --> 00:30:04,433 We're gonna start, you're down there again. 700 00:30:04,517 --> 00:30:05,778 You're gonna pull him up, kiss him. 701 00:30:05,862 --> 00:30:07,137 Look him in the face, say . 702 00:30:13,862 --> 00:30:16,191 So let's troubleshoot a few things I need to happen. 703 00:30:16,275 --> 00:30:17,916 I need you to hold him and bend at the knee 704 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:19,916 because where your leg goes out so far, 705 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:21,916 you're blocking a lot of the penetration. 706 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,226 Abs, lock your abs, because remember, 707 00:30:24,310 --> 00:30:25,984 you're in a position where you're leaning forward, 708 00:30:26,068 --> 00:30:29,019 so if I don't see a lot of abs it's just skin. 709 00:30:29,103 --> 00:30:31,916 Lean back, long strokes, okay? 710 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:33,398 When you're crying later on, 711 00:30:33,482 --> 00:30:34,655 make sure you say you like the dick in your ass, okay? 712 00:30:37,896 --> 00:30:39,000 I love this. 713 00:30:43,172 --> 00:30:45,191 I think the whole gay for pay taboo thing, 714 00:30:45,275 --> 00:30:46,674 it boggles my mind that it's now just 715 00:30:46,758 --> 00:30:48,502 becoming like, everyone's talking about it. 716 00:30:48,586 --> 00:30:50,571 Because I've been in this industry for six years, 717 00:30:50,655 --> 00:30:53,847 so I've been using the term gay for pay for almost a decade. 718 00:30:53,931 --> 00:30:55,984 I don't really understand why it's so fascinating to people. 719 00:30:56,068 --> 00:30:57,260 The people I talk to in my personal life, 720 00:30:57,344 --> 00:30:58,571 there's no way he's straight, 721 00:30:58,655 --> 00:31:00,916 he just blew some guy or had sex with a guy, 722 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:02,743 they don't see that it's money motivated, 723 00:31:02,827 --> 00:31:04,640 or it's performance motivated or, 724 00:31:04,724 --> 00:31:06,053 they'll flip a switch and then 725 00:31:06,137 --> 00:31:07,571 they turn into a character. 726 00:31:07,655 --> 00:31:09,295 I'm taken aback a little bit by the fascination of it. 727 00:31:09,379 --> 00:31:11,571 I don't really get it because will walk onto my set, 728 00:31:11,655 --> 00:31:12,916 and they're like, woah this is crazy. 729 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:14,536 And I'm like, no, not even a little bit. 730 00:31:14,620 --> 00:31:16,344 This is my office. 731 00:31:20,862 --> 00:31:22,916 If you took away the money, what would motivate our models? 732 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,847 I think everyone wants to kind of push their curiosity 733 00:31:25,931 --> 00:31:27,812 and be like, hey, maybe I can do that. 734 00:31:27,896 --> 00:31:29,260 And a lot of our solos when they come in, 735 00:31:29,344 --> 00:31:30,743 they're like, I just wanna see if I could do it. 736 00:31:30,827 --> 00:31:32,778 And they do it and they wipe their hands, 737 00:31:32,862 --> 00:31:33,778 and they're like, hey, it was fun. 738 00:31:33,862 --> 00:31:35,260 It's a fun memory, 739 00:31:35,344 --> 00:31:36,571 while other guys will go back and show their girlfriends, 740 00:31:36,655 --> 00:31:38,122 show their boyfriends, show their friends. 741 00:31:38,206 --> 00:31:39,743 So I think just being made to feel pretty 742 00:31:39,827 --> 00:31:42,034 is what really motivates our people. 743 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:49,191 Do you find porn that features straight 744 00:31:49,275 --> 00:31:52,724 men having sex together a turn on or offensive? 745 00:31:53,896 --> 00:31:57,019 I didn't watch gay porn scene before but... 746 00:31:57,103 --> 00:31:58,674 Oh, it depends. 747 00:31:58,758 --> 00:31:59,812 I don't care. 748 00:31:59,896 --> 00:32:02,206 The love, the storylines. 749 00:32:03,965 --> 00:32:05,709 I honestly see it as a business. 750 00:32:05,793 --> 00:32:07,433 so I don't really don't think it's offensive. 751 00:32:07,517 --> 00:32:09,881 People make their choice to watch porn. 752 00:32:09,965 --> 00:32:12,950 And if they're watching that type of porn, 753 00:32:13,034 --> 00:32:15,467 they're just embracing that type of business 754 00:32:15,551 --> 00:32:17,260 for their personal pleasure so, 755 00:32:17,344 --> 00:32:19,122 I don't know why they would find it offensive. 756 00:32:19,206 --> 00:32:20,984 Oh, definitely a turn on. 757 00:32:21,068 --> 00:32:23,019 I love straight boys, they're my favorite. 758 00:32:23,103 --> 00:32:26,398 Personally, I'm indifferent towards it. 759 00:32:26,482 --> 00:32:28,226 Don't get me wrong, I don't know a gay man 760 00:32:28,310 --> 00:32:30,260 that doesn't have that fantasy 761 00:32:30,344 --> 00:32:31,191 of wanting to know if someone was 762 00:32:31,275 --> 00:32:32,743 straight and went gay for them 763 00:32:32,827 --> 00:32:34,364 because we all want our egos rubbed. 764 00:32:34,448 --> 00:32:36,241 But it's a lie at the end of the day. 765 00:32:37,586 --> 00:32:40,191 Porn has very little fantasy left to it. 766 00:32:40,275 --> 00:32:42,103 It makes no difference. 767 00:32:49,517 --> 00:32:51,329 So I got into the industry initially, 768 00:32:51,413 --> 00:32:53,916 actually just doing erotic art. 769 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,433 So, calendars, coffee table books 770 00:32:56,517 --> 00:32:58,157 with various photographers. 771 00:32:58,241 --> 00:33:01,260 I was introduced to people in the industry that way. 772 00:33:01,344 --> 00:33:03,502 I didn't actually start doing hardcore 773 00:33:03,586 --> 00:33:07,206 porn until this year, actually, 2015. 774 00:33:10,551 --> 00:33:12,260 At first, I was kind of unsure about 775 00:33:12,344 --> 00:33:13,502 working with straight people, 776 00:33:13,586 --> 00:33:15,605 because I felt like if I'm doing gay porn, 777 00:33:15,689 --> 00:33:17,571 I feel I need to have a connection with someone, 778 00:33:17,655 --> 00:33:20,881 or someone that has that same vibe that I do, 779 00:33:20,965 --> 00:33:22,157 in order to be able to connect with 780 00:33:22,241 --> 00:33:23,778 them and be able to perform well. 781 00:33:23,862 --> 00:33:26,674 So for that reason, I felt it was better 782 00:33:26,758 --> 00:33:29,206 for me to work with just gay people. 783 00:33:34,551 --> 00:33:37,329 My first scene, however, was with a straight guy. 784 00:33:37,413 --> 00:33:40,916 His name was Justin Matthews, and he was a total sweetheart. 785 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,605 He was really nice, so I couldn't have asked 786 00:33:43,689 --> 00:33:46,034 for someone better to work with for my first scene. 787 00:33:50,862 --> 00:33:52,329 So filming with a straight guy, 788 00:33:52,413 --> 00:33:54,605 I think one of my most memorable experiences 789 00:33:54,689 --> 00:33:56,605 was probably with Landon Michaels. 790 00:33:56,689 --> 00:34:00,260 He's just a chill guy, no pretentiousness at all, 791 00:34:00,344 --> 00:34:02,950 just a real down-to-earth, good person. 792 00:34:03,034 --> 00:34:04,812 Just someone that you'd like to hang out with, 793 00:34:04,896 --> 00:34:07,172 and I had a really good time with him, actually. 794 00:34:18,172 --> 00:34:20,950 Hey, I'm Alex Mecum, I'm shooting with Men.com today, 795 00:34:21,034 --> 00:34:23,881 and I'm actually gonna be shooting with Diego Sans. 796 00:34:23,965 --> 00:34:26,881 Alex and I, we actually met back in San Francisco, 797 00:34:26,965 --> 00:34:27,674 when I was living there. 798 00:34:27,758 --> 00:34:29,950 This was around 2012. 799 00:34:30,034 --> 00:34:33,640 At San Francisco pride, we met up for coffee. 800 00:34:33,724 --> 00:34:35,206 It was more than just coffee. 801 00:34:36,655 --> 00:34:39,034 I had coffee, he had some sort of Brazillian . 802 00:34:41,379 --> 00:34:43,743 And then afterwards, he gave me a tour of his place. 803 00:34:43,827 --> 00:34:45,329 He had a nice, big bed and everything. 804 00:34:45,413 --> 00:34:48,433 Then we sort of made out for a bit, 805 00:34:48,517 --> 00:34:51,122 got hard, and then we had sex. 806 00:34:51,206 --> 00:34:53,000 So, we've met before. 807 00:34:54,620 --> 00:34:58,034 I'm actually not nervous at all filming it. 808 00:34:59,379 --> 00:35:00,433 It was a lot of fun. 809 00:35:00,517 --> 00:35:01,881 He's a great guy, 810 00:35:01,965 --> 00:35:03,034 an amazing body. 811 00:35:04,517 --> 00:35:05,847 I'm very excited to film it and 812 00:35:05,931 --> 00:35:08,191 have it as a little memory. 813 00:35:08,275 --> 00:35:10,916 Haven't seen him since we had sex all those years ago, 814 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:12,571 and I'm excited to see him today. 815 00:35:12,655 --> 00:35:14,122 It was one of those hook ups that you were like, 816 00:35:14,206 --> 00:35:16,502 oh fuck, I hope it happens again and then, 817 00:35:16,586 --> 00:35:17,413 it is. 818 00:35:21,344 --> 00:35:21,916 Hey. 819 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:23,068 Diego, hug. 820 00:35:24,068 --> 00:35:24,812 Good to see you. 821 00:35:24,896 --> 00:35:25,778 Good to see you. 822 00:35:25,862 --> 00:35:26,862 How have you been? 823 00:35:32,551 --> 00:35:33,778 In throughout my porn career, 824 00:35:33,862 --> 00:35:35,743 I've had different experiences with 825 00:35:35,827 --> 00:35:38,536 working with gay people and then also 826 00:35:38,620 --> 00:35:41,226 working with straight people as well. 827 00:35:41,310 --> 00:35:44,674 And I can't say whether one is better than the other, 828 00:35:44,758 --> 00:35:48,053 honestly, because I've had wonderful experiences 829 00:35:48,137 --> 00:35:51,275 with people of both sexual identities. 830 00:35:53,241 --> 00:35:55,191 I was thinking at the beginning that 831 00:35:55,275 --> 00:35:56,571 I would be able to connect with someone 832 00:35:56,655 --> 00:35:58,984 who is gay and not with someone who is straight, 833 00:35:59,068 --> 00:36:01,019 and it actually didn't turn out to be true. 834 00:36:01,103 --> 00:36:03,916 I've had wonderful experiences with people who are straight. 835 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,019 And what really matters to me now 836 00:36:06,103 --> 00:36:08,984 is not what they identify as sexually, 837 00:36:09,068 --> 00:36:12,916 but just how our energies can bounce off each other. 838 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:14,709 And I think that's what is important 839 00:36:14,793 --> 00:36:17,068 and what I learned throughout my process. 840 00:36:23,379 --> 00:36:26,364 I know there's a lot of stigma these days, 841 00:36:26,448 --> 00:36:29,019 against gay for pay, people in porn, 842 00:36:29,103 --> 00:36:33,019 but honestly, I think some of the gay for pay people 843 00:36:33,103 --> 00:36:36,122 are some of the best performers I've actually worked with. 844 00:36:36,206 --> 00:36:38,950 And like I say, some of them have just been very awesome, 845 00:36:39,034 --> 00:36:41,000 and I've actually loved working with them. 846 00:36:51,413 --> 00:36:53,916 I was motivated to do porn because 847 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,260 Dunkin' Donuts not paying the bills, 848 00:36:56,344 --> 00:36:58,191 and me and my dog kinda got 849 00:36:58,275 --> 00:37:00,931 tired of winters outside. 850 00:37:02,620 --> 00:37:06,295 My ex-fiance actually gave me the idea. 851 00:37:06,379 --> 00:37:10,260 She found it online and I was comfortable 852 00:37:10,344 --> 00:37:13,916 with myself enough to not be bothered by the idea. 853 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,295 And so, I just went and tried it out. 854 00:37:16,379 --> 00:37:18,191 What motivate me to try porn was 855 00:37:18,275 --> 00:37:21,950 a good mixture of money, 856 00:37:22,034 --> 00:37:23,984 other people's suggestions, 857 00:37:24,068 --> 00:37:26,019 and the idea of doing something 858 00:37:26,103 --> 00:37:27,571 really different with my life. 859 00:37:27,655 --> 00:37:30,778 I decided to try porn because it's porn. 860 00:37:30,862 --> 00:37:33,088 It was a chance to have sex on film. 861 00:37:33,172 --> 00:37:36,053 The money is good and there was travel, 862 00:37:36,137 --> 00:37:37,862 just sounded like a good opportunity. 863 00:37:41,310 --> 00:37:44,433 My family, no, they don't know I do porn. 864 00:37:44,517 --> 00:37:47,260 I'm sure one of my sisters will 865 00:37:47,344 --> 00:37:49,260 find out sooner or later 866 00:37:49,344 --> 00:37:50,847 because they got a lot of gay friends. 867 00:37:50,931 --> 00:37:52,310 So I'm hoping, not yet. 868 00:37:54,344 --> 00:37:56,019 My family knows I did porn, 869 00:37:56,103 --> 00:37:59,812 and I was pretty much ostracized 870 00:37:59,896 --> 00:38:01,950 from my entire community. 871 00:38:02,034 --> 00:38:04,743 I moved to Fort Lauderdale when everybody found out. 872 00:38:04,827 --> 00:38:06,793 My parents didn't talk to me for a few years. 873 00:38:07,965 --> 00:38:09,295 My family doesn't know that I'm in porn, 874 00:38:09,379 --> 00:38:12,122 but I think my mom would actually be pretty accepting. 875 00:38:12,206 --> 00:38:14,812 She's liberal, just embraces the whole world, 876 00:38:14,896 --> 00:38:17,226 and I think she'd be okay with me doing porn. 877 00:38:17,310 --> 00:38:20,551 So my family doesn't know at all that I do porn. 878 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:23,655 If they did, they probably wouldn't react very well. 879 00:38:25,034 --> 00:38:26,689 So that's why I've kept that quiet. 880 00:38:28,103 --> 00:38:30,778 I don't think my father, my mother, or my brother know. 881 00:38:30,862 --> 00:38:33,640 But if they did, I don't think they 882 00:38:33,724 --> 00:38:35,965 would have anything against it, personally. 883 00:38:37,310 --> 00:38:38,620 It'd be kinda weird though. 884 00:38:39,724 --> 00:38:41,881 My family, they don't know. 885 00:38:41,965 --> 00:38:44,743 I think I told my brother when I first started. 886 00:38:44,827 --> 00:38:46,640 My dad doesn't know. 887 00:38:46,724 --> 00:38:48,157 He would probably kill me. 888 00:38:48,241 --> 00:38:51,881 And then my mother, she has an idea that I do something. 889 00:38:51,965 --> 00:38:54,778 I don't know if she thinks that it's gay porn or not, 890 00:38:54,862 --> 00:38:57,709 but she definitely has given me the hint that... 891 00:38:57,793 --> 00:38:59,191 She told me to be careful when I make 892 00:38:59,275 --> 00:39:00,758 these trips down to San Diego. 893 00:39:06,137 --> 00:39:07,295 You get labeled straight because 894 00:39:07,379 --> 00:39:09,157 outside of the porn I've always been, 895 00:39:09,241 --> 00:39:10,812 for the most part, straight. 896 00:39:10,896 --> 00:39:13,827 I've never really had any boyfriends or anything but, 897 00:39:15,724 --> 00:39:18,019 I'm doing this for the money I guess, I don't know. 898 00:39:18,103 --> 00:39:21,295 I used to label straight when I guys 899 00:39:21,379 --> 00:39:23,984 because to gay porn, 900 00:39:24,068 --> 00:39:26,310 I prefer pussy most of the time. 901 00:39:27,758 --> 00:39:29,571 I labeled myself straight when I started 902 00:39:29,655 --> 00:39:32,398 because I have sex with women off camera. 903 00:39:32,482 --> 00:39:35,881 But now, I joke around and call myself heteroflexible or bi. 904 00:39:35,965 --> 00:39:37,433 The reason I used the label straight 905 00:39:37,517 --> 00:39:40,295 when I still have sex with men is because 906 00:39:40,379 --> 00:39:43,088 I have sex with men for work. 907 00:39:43,172 --> 00:39:46,137 Still not that attracted to the guys like I would be women. 908 00:39:47,103 --> 00:39:49,640 Personally, don't mind having 909 00:39:49,724 --> 00:39:52,275 sex with the same sex, 910 00:39:53,482 --> 00:39:54,916 especially when I'm getting paid for it. 911 00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:56,640 But having a personal relationship with the 912 00:39:56,724 --> 00:39:59,778 same sex just hasn't happened for me, personally yet. 913 00:39:59,862 --> 00:40:03,122 The reason why I would label myself straight 914 00:40:03,206 --> 00:40:06,157 is because outside of this business, 915 00:40:06,241 --> 00:40:08,088 I don't have sex with men. 916 00:40:08,172 --> 00:40:10,881 I don't enjoy the action 917 00:40:10,965 --> 00:40:12,881 of male on male sex. 918 00:40:12,965 --> 00:40:16,000 It's simply easy for me to do as a job. 919 00:40:25,275 --> 00:40:27,502 I got started in gay porn when 920 00:40:27,586 --> 00:40:29,916 I was stripping at a gay club in Portland, 921 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,467 and a scouter, he came through and gave me his card, 922 00:40:33,551 --> 00:40:35,433 saying that I could make some pretty good money 923 00:40:35,517 --> 00:40:38,467 if I would to just go do a solo video. 924 00:40:38,551 --> 00:40:41,191 I considered it but still gave it a years time 925 00:40:41,275 --> 00:40:43,053 before I actually called the guy and said, 926 00:40:43,137 --> 00:40:45,916 okay, let's do this, let's take the photos, send them in, 927 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:47,640 and see if we could make this work. 928 00:40:47,724 --> 00:40:49,364 They actually denied me because they didn't 929 00:40:49,448 --> 00:40:52,517 like my long, shaggy hair at the time. 930 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,950 They suggested I cut it, and so I gave that a shot. 931 00:40:57,034 --> 00:40:59,157 One week later, we took another set of photos, 932 00:40:59,241 --> 00:41:02,605 sent them in, and within a week, I was flown out. 933 00:41:02,689 --> 00:41:04,226 I was, honestly, a lot more comfortable 934 00:41:04,310 --> 00:41:06,329 than I ever expected I would have been doing it. 935 00:41:06,413 --> 00:41:08,295 Got through it, the camera guys were, 936 00:41:08,379 --> 00:41:09,571 they were real professionals, 937 00:41:09,655 --> 00:41:10,881 so I felt real comfortable around them, 938 00:41:10,965 --> 00:41:12,950 I didn't feel intimidated in any way. 939 00:41:13,034 --> 00:41:15,517 I was able to just bing, bang, boom. 940 00:41:17,103 --> 00:41:18,226 Is it stuffed? 941 00:41:18,310 --> 00:41:20,709 No, it's all real, it's all me. 942 00:41:20,793 --> 00:41:24,536 I did it, made the money, vacationed, came back. 943 00:41:24,620 --> 00:41:28,586 They made a substantial offer for doing a gay scene. 944 00:41:29,793 --> 00:41:30,310 I agreed. 945 00:41:35,172 --> 00:41:37,847 My first time kissing a man was with Sean Cody 946 00:41:37,931 --> 00:41:40,743 during the first video I ever did in early February. 947 00:41:40,827 --> 00:41:41,743 Are you nervous? 948 00:41:41,827 --> 00:41:42,950 A little bit. 949 00:41:43,034 --> 00:41:43,674 Ever kissed a dude? 950 00:41:43,758 --> 00:41:45,191 I haven't. 951 00:41:45,275 --> 00:41:47,295 It was with Brandon, he was an experienced model already. 952 00:41:47,379 --> 00:41:48,674 Brandon's gonna show you the ropes. 953 00:41:48,758 --> 00:41:51,019 And so he made it really easy. 954 00:41:51,103 --> 00:41:53,881 He's like, hey, I've done this several times, 955 00:41:53,965 --> 00:41:55,536 it's not a big deal. 956 00:41:55,620 --> 00:41:56,379 How was that? 957 00:41:58,379 --> 00:41:59,241 Not too different. 958 00:42:01,448 --> 00:42:03,088 It was a hurdle I kinda 959 00:42:03,172 --> 00:42:05,778 had to jump over, mentally, 960 00:42:05,862 --> 00:42:09,502 because I did grow up with a background of stigma 961 00:42:09,586 --> 00:42:11,640 surrounding the gay community and, 962 00:42:11,724 --> 00:42:14,379 I always kinda questioned, what's really wrong about it? 963 00:42:16,896 --> 00:42:19,260 Is there really anything wrong about it? 964 00:42:19,344 --> 00:42:22,226 If I was into it, what would it matter? 965 00:42:22,310 --> 00:42:23,827 I know I'm not into it. 966 00:42:25,172 --> 00:42:26,640 Even though I had done the scene, 967 00:42:26,724 --> 00:42:29,812 I still knew exactly where I was with my sexuality, 968 00:42:29,896 --> 00:42:32,709 and I wasn't uncomfortable with the fact that I had done it, 969 00:42:32,793 --> 00:42:36,019 because I've never considered it to be wrong. 970 00:42:36,103 --> 00:42:38,019 There are some members of my family 971 00:42:38,103 --> 00:42:41,502 that would be upset about it being gay porn. 972 00:42:41,586 --> 00:42:44,260 And if they're not going to understand what I'm doing, 973 00:42:44,344 --> 00:42:47,122 I don't really feel there's a point in letting them know. 974 00:42:47,206 --> 00:42:50,778 And if they find out at any point, I don't really care. 975 00:42:50,862 --> 00:42:52,758 It's just I don't feel like telling them. 976 00:42:57,448 --> 00:42:59,502 I've never had sex with a guy off camera 977 00:42:59,586 --> 00:43:02,916 because I just don't find masculinity attractive. 978 00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,778 I've never felt any deep connection, 979 00:43:05,862 --> 00:43:07,743 sexually, with a man. 980 00:43:07,827 --> 00:43:10,157 I'm not opposed to men being involved 981 00:43:10,241 --> 00:43:12,916 in three ways or anything like that, 982 00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,709 it's just it wouldn't do anything for me to spend 983 00:43:15,793 --> 00:43:18,586 time in bed with a man, just me and him. 984 00:43:20,448 --> 00:43:22,536 People believe that I enjoy doing this, 985 00:43:22,620 --> 00:43:24,364 and they believe that I'm gay because 986 00:43:24,448 --> 00:43:28,053 I act the part, in order to receive payment. 987 00:43:28,137 --> 00:43:29,984 If I don't look like I enjoy it, 988 00:43:30,068 --> 00:43:31,295 nobody's gonna wanna watch it. 989 00:43:31,379 --> 00:43:33,984 If nobody is gonna pay to watch it, 990 00:43:34,068 --> 00:43:34,916 why would they keep calling me 991 00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:36,413 out to make anymore money? 992 00:43:37,758 --> 00:43:39,778 I'm gonna keep on putting on that face 993 00:43:39,862 --> 00:43:41,689 and looking like I enjoy every bit of it. 994 00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:45,881 Are you using your station 995 00:43:45,965 --> 00:43:46,827 or are you using porn? 996 00:43:48,137 --> 00:43:49,778 I'm gonna have my girlfriend talk dirty to me. 997 00:43:49,862 --> 00:43:50,571 Okay, he's gonna use your 998 00:43:50,655 --> 00:43:51,640 emote for a little bit. 999 00:43:51,724 --> 00:43:52,655 Such a weirdo. 1000 00:43:53,793 --> 00:43:56,364 Getting a hard-on seems to be pretty easy. 1001 00:43:56,448 --> 00:43:58,916 You're seperate in rooms, you have porn to watch, 1002 00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:02,433 but to stay hard is a task on itself. 1003 00:44:02,517 --> 00:44:04,916 And to get off when you're not attracted to the 1004 00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:06,916 person that you're actually having sex with, 1005 00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:10,364 considering I'm not into men, it's like... 1006 00:44:10,448 --> 00:44:11,709 I need a full boner sir. 1007 00:44:11,793 --> 00:44:13,571 But when you've done enough of it, 1008 00:44:13,655 --> 00:44:14,931 it becomes a lot easier. 1009 00:44:16,103 --> 00:44:18,916 When we get started, and if we start going soft, 1010 00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,467 we just jump back out, we get hard again, 1011 00:44:21,551 --> 00:44:23,000 and we jump back into the scene. 1012 00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,053 When I'm bottoming, I kinda just have to accept 1013 00:44:29,137 --> 00:44:31,398 I have to play a submissive and what is 1014 00:44:31,482 --> 00:44:33,502 considered to be a more feminine part, 1015 00:44:33,586 --> 00:44:36,536 and I just kind of disconnect from myself 1016 00:44:36,620 --> 00:44:38,000 in order to be able to do it. 1017 00:44:40,103 --> 00:44:43,467 It's necessary for us to do a cleansing and a 1018 00:44:43,551 --> 00:44:47,260 stretching process before we get into the scene. 1019 00:44:47,344 --> 00:44:51,019 Stretching allows us to not feel a substantial amount 1020 00:44:51,103 --> 00:44:54,191 of pain by the time you're actually doing the scene. 1021 00:44:54,275 --> 00:44:56,310 Alright, go in slowly for two. 1022 00:44:57,689 --> 00:44:58,571 Do you need a stretch mark? 1023 00:44:58,655 --> 00:44:59,862 Yeah I need a stretch mark. 1024 00:45:01,241 --> 00:45:02,950 We use plugs and 1025 00:45:03,034 --> 00:45:04,571 we pick up this, 1026 00:45:04,655 --> 00:45:05,984 what was that, like a two foot, 1027 00:45:06,068 --> 00:45:08,157 double-sided sword dildo. 1028 00:45:08,241 --> 00:45:10,122 You don't have to take the whole thing, 1029 00:45:10,206 --> 00:45:11,778 maybe try to take like... 1030 00:45:11,862 --> 00:45:12,674 Half of it at least? 1031 00:45:12,758 --> 00:45:13,241 Yeah. 1032 00:45:14,413 --> 00:45:15,260 And just have a good time with it. 1033 00:45:15,344 --> 00:45:17,122 Get in at least seven inches, 1034 00:45:17,206 --> 00:45:19,467 that way I could take nine, of the real one. 1035 00:45:19,551 --> 00:45:20,709 How much can you take right now? 1036 00:45:20,793 --> 00:45:22,916 I got up to about right there. 1037 00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,517 The rubber hurts a lot more than the real thing. 1038 00:45:27,517 --> 00:45:28,068 Stop. 1039 00:45:29,275 --> 00:45:31,000 Go back, go back. 1040 00:45:34,827 --> 00:45:36,916 You get three of those, I can juggle them for you. 1041 00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:40,433 There is a G spot in males' rectums, right? 1042 00:45:40,517 --> 00:45:43,724 So, it's not the most terrible feeling, I won't lie. 1043 00:45:45,586 --> 00:45:48,640 Starting out with bottoming has kind of 1044 00:45:48,724 --> 00:45:50,674 allowed me to be adventurous in the bedroom 1045 00:45:50,758 --> 00:45:52,137 with my girlfriend back at home. 1046 00:45:53,413 --> 00:45:55,640 She's also just as adventurous and 1047 00:45:55,724 --> 00:45:58,310 enjoys playing with my prostate a little bit. 1048 00:46:00,379 --> 00:46:01,640 But yeah, I definitely would prefer to 1049 00:46:01,724 --> 00:46:04,398 flip flop so I don't look like the feminine 1050 00:46:04,482 --> 00:46:06,482 piece throughout the entire film. 1051 00:46:08,896 --> 00:46:09,743 I wouldn't say that my number one 1052 00:46:09,827 --> 00:46:12,674 motivator to do this is money. 1053 00:46:12,758 --> 00:46:15,778 I would say that it's what the money does for me. 1054 00:46:15,862 --> 00:46:19,088 The money allows me to live a more free lifestyle 1055 00:46:19,172 --> 00:46:21,571 away from a nine to five job and, 1056 00:46:21,655 --> 00:46:23,226 just to be able to start my own 1057 00:46:23,310 --> 00:46:25,812 business in kink and fetish. 1058 00:46:25,896 --> 00:46:27,847 I feel more liberated and free. 1059 00:46:27,931 --> 00:46:30,226 Doing gay porn has caused some small 1060 00:46:30,310 --> 00:46:32,502 problems in the dating scene for me. 1061 00:46:32,586 --> 00:46:34,778 There's been women that couldn't deal with it. 1062 00:46:34,862 --> 00:46:37,536 I had to deal with the fact that 1063 00:46:37,620 --> 00:46:38,916 not everybody's gonna accept it. 1064 00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:40,984 I have met other people on the other hand 1065 00:46:41,068 --> 00:46:43,536 that are really psyched about what I'm doing, 1066 00:46:43,620 --> 00:46:46,329 and it's almost a turn on for some women that I 1067 00:46:46,413 --> 00:46:48,916 have the open mind to be able to do something like this. 1068 00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:52,295 I'm dating a girl that's also in sex work. 1069 00:46:52,379 --> 00:46:55,709 She's a dancer who works next door 1070 00:46:55,793 --> 00:46:57,053 to where I dance in Portland. 1071 00:46:57,137 --> 00:47:00,709 I'm actually new-ish to the stripping industry. 1072 00:47:00,793 --> 00:47:03,709 I've done it before for a few months, a couple years back. 1073 00:47:03,793 --> 00:47:06,605 And then I started doing this and left it. 1074 00:47:06,689 --> 00:47:09,536 But I went back recently and I find that 1075 00:47:09,620 --> 00:47:11,122 I enjoy it a lot more because I'm more 1076 00:47:11,206 --> 00:47:13,329 comfortable and since I've done this... 1077 00:47:13,413 --> 00:47:15,157 I really enjoy just kind of 1078 00:47:15,241 --> 00:47:16,812 performing in front of a crowd. 1079 00:47:16,896 --> 00:47:18,398 It doesn't have to be stripping. 1080 00:47:18,482 --> 00:47:20,364 If I was to move on to something else, 1081 00:47:20,448 --> 00:47:23,605 where I can do a performance like circus work, 1082 00:47:23,689 --> 00:47:25,950 or acrobatics that people just wanna see. 1083 00:47:26,034 --> 00:47:28,019 I was always able to kinda do flips. 1084 00:47:28,103 --> 00:47:29,467 I learned them at a young age. 1085 00:47:29,551 --> 00:47:32,640 Kick off a wall back flip, standing back flip. 1086 00:47:32,724 --> 00:47:36,226 I think that's really kind of where my interest lie most, 1087 00:47:36,310 --> 00:47:38,536 but it was just easy to kind of jump on stage 1088 00:47:38,620 --> 00:47:40,847 in a strip club and get a crowd cheering 1089 00:47:40,931 --> 00:47:42,413 for me and throw money at me. 1090 00:47:50,413 --> 00:47:51,605 Straight men generally get paid 1091 00:47:51,689 --> 00:47:54,571 more than gay men to perform a gay sex scene. 1092 00:47:54,655 --> 00:47:55,724 Do you think that's okay? 1093 00:47:56,724 --> 00:47:57,571 No. 1094 00:47:57,655 --> 00:47:58,571 I don't think that's fair. 1095 00:47:58,655 --> 00:47:59,812 No, why, that makes no sense. 1096 00:47:59,896 --> 00:48:01,605 That's not right, it's not fair. 1097 00:48:01,689 --> 00:48:04,536 I think they should be paid the same amount. 1098 00:48:04,620 --> 00:48:06,364 That's a tough question because I think 1099 00:48:06,448 --> 00:48:09,088 I get paid more than the straight guys do. 1100 00:48:09,172 --> 00:48:10,467 Yeah, why not? 1101 00:48:10,551 --> 00:48:12,122 Yeah, I'm okay with that. 1102 00:48:12,206 --> 00:48:14,260 I think no matter what industry 1103 00:48:14,344 --> 00:48:16,571 you're gonna look at, there's discrimination. 1104 00:48:16,655 --> 00:48:18,536 There's gonna be a glass ceiling, a pink ceiling. 1105 00:48:18,620 --> 00:48:20,502 In this case, it's a rainbow ceiling. 1106 00:48:20,586 --> 00:48:22,260 I think that has to be done because 1107 00:48:22,344 --> 00:48:25,122 to get them to actually have sex with another man, 1108 00:48:25,206 --> 00:48:28,088 there needs to be that financial backing behind it, right? 1109 00:48:28,172 --> 00:48:29,260 I don't think it's right. 1110 00:48:29,344 --> 00:48:30,448 I think everybody should get paid the same. 1111 00:48:31,620 --> 00:48:33,157 Gay men do it for free all the time, 1112 00:48:33,241 --> 00:48:35,088 so there's that understanding, 1113 00:48:35,172 --> 00:48:37,157 well, I don't have to pay that gay guy as much 1114 00:48:37,241 --> 00:48:39,605 because he's gonna do it for free anyways. 1115 00:48:39,689 --> 00:48:40,847 You know what I mean? 1116 00:48:40,931 --> 00:48:43,778 So I think that's kind of the general idea 1117 00:48:43,862 --> 00:48:45,812 and probably why they get paid a little bit more 1118 00:48:45,896 --> 00:48:47,329 because they hold out for it. 1119 00:48:47,413 --> 00:48:49,778 If a gay man is willing to take less money for it, 1120 00:48:49,862 --> 00:48:51,053 then it's probably something we should 1121 00:48:51,137 --> 00:48:54,226 deal with as a community in the adult industry. 1122 00:48:54,310 --> 00:48:56,103 Okay, great, thanks guys. 1123 00:48:57,586 --> 00:48:58,448 You're welcome. 1124 00:49:04,827 --> 00:49:06,536 The excitement that I've ever experienced 1125 00:49:06,620 --> 00:49:09,605 with having sex with a man has just been 1126 00:49:09,689 --> 00:49:11,605 working with them and getting 1127 00:49:11,689 --> 00:49:13,053 to know them personally. 1128 00:49:13,137 --> 00:49:16,191 But in terms of the actual act of having sex with a man, 1129 00:49:16,275 --> 00:49:19,122 I never found it exciting or even pleasurable. 1130 00:49:19,206 --> 00:49:21,778 Honestly, I'm not gonna compete 1131 00:49:21,862 --> 00:49:23,398 with a lesbian for eating pussy. 1132 00:49:23,482 --> 00:49:25,122 She's obviously gonna know how to do it better. 1133 00:49:25,206 --> 00:49:28,034 So guys would definitely give a better blow job than girls. 1134 00:49:29,793 --> 00:49:32,122 One of the things that kinda excites me about having gay 1135 00:49:32,206 --> 00:49:35,398 sex is that you get to do something a little different. 1136 00:49:35,482 --> 00:49:38,674 And sometimes, it's a little uncomfortable and weird, 1137 00:49:38,758 --> 00:49:42,758 and that's exciting, I don't really know why but it is. 1138 00:49:43,862 --> 00:49:45,329 It's new, it's different. 1139 00:49:45,413 --> 00:49:47,191 It's something that I have 1140 00:49:47,275 --> 00:49:49,502 never thought I'd actually try. 1141 00:49:49,586 --> 00:49:52,019 But there's been times where I've actually had a 1142 00:49:52,103 --> 00:49:55,724 connection with a guy and it was pretty enjoyable. 1143 00:49:59,724 --> 00:50:00,881 When it comes to bottoming, 1144 00:50:00,965 --> 00:50:02,709 when I did my first bottoming scene, 1145 00:50:02,793 --> 00:50:05,329 it was definitely a lot more physical 1146 00:50:05,413 --> 00:50:08,000 than emotional because 1147 00:50:09,137 --> 00:50:10,586 well, that hurt. 1148 00:50:11,862 --> 00:50:14,743 Hey, you got a 10 inch cock up your ass, 1149 00:50:14,827 --> 00:50:17,433 that's gonna hurt, it doesn't feel too pleasant, 1150 00:50:17,517 --> 00:50:18,984 especially if you don't like it. 1151 00:50:19,068 --> 00:50:20,778 There definitely is some vulnerability 1152 00:50:20,862 --> 00:50:22,674 involved when you're bottoming. 1153 00:50:22,758 --> 00:50:25,743 You kind of give up a little bit of masculinity, 1154 00:50:25,827 --> 00:50:28,122 or, I guess, some people think that. 1155 00:50:28,206 --> 00:50:29,536 I guess because you're in a 1156 00:50:29,620 --> 00:50:31,674 more physically vulnerable position, 1157 00:50:31,758 --> 00:50:32,881 and maybe people think that's not 1158 00:50:32,965 --> 00:50:35,433 the most macho or masculine thing to do. 1159 00:50:35,517 --> 00:50:36,931 Bottoming was horrific. 1160 00:50:38,448 --> 00:50:39,640 I couldn't stand it. 1161 00:50:39,724 --> 00:50:43,260 Mentally, I felt very taken advantage of, 1162 00:50:43,344 --> 00:50:45,536 even though I was choosing to do it. 1163 00:50:45,620 --> 00:50:48,122 I like to be the one in control. 1164 00:50:48,206 --> 00:50:50,536 And having that happened 1165 00:50:50,620 --> 00:50:52,517 is a complete loss of control. 1166 00:50:56,137 --> 00:50:57,778 After my career in porn comes to an end, 1167 00:50:57,862 --> 00:50:59,605 I might still have sex with men. 1168 00:50:59,689 --> 00:51:03,122 It feels good, it's fun, I've met a lot of attractive guys. 1169 00:51:03,206 --> 00:51:04,812 So I'm sure that there are some out there 1170 00:51:04,896 --> 00:51:07,088 that'll tempt me into more sex. 1171 00:51:07,172 --> 00:51:09,053 No, I won't. 1172 00:51:09,137 --> 00:51:11,709 I won't be having sex with men after this career does end. 1173 00:51:11,793 --> 00:51:13,191 It's always just been work for me, 1174 00:51:13,275 --> 00:51:15,502 so it won't be going on afterward. 1175 00:51:15,586 --> 00:51:18,068 Will I have sex with men after my porn career ends? 1176 00:51:19,551 --> 00:51:22,034 Maybe, possibly, I don't know. 1177 00:51:23,551 --> 00:51:24,674 If Ryan Reynolds comes up to me 1178 00:51:24,758 --> 00:51:25,571 and tell me to put it in his ass, 1179 00:51:25,655 --> 00:51:26,655 I'm not gonna say no. 1180 00:51:27,896 --> 00:51:29,295 I don't think that I'll have sex with men 1181 00:51:29,379 --> 00:51:31,241 after my porn career is over but, 1182 00:51:32,931 --> 00:51:34,034 anything could happen. 1183 00:51:36,931 --> 00:51:39,000 I'll take that as a definite yes. 85151

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