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Do you ever wonder about
the different ways of dying?
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You know, violently.
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Brains.
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Nostalgia plays
such a heavy part
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in, you know,
what you grow up with.
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The thing about horror
that I really, really love...
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It was this
kind of counterculture,
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"Fuck you" attitude,
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and it was something
that your parents hated.
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Rusler: Sex, drugs, and rock
'n' roll in the '80s, right?
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Well, it became a lot more
than that.
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We were rock stars in the '80s.
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We were busier
than we'd ever been.
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The amount of horror movies
that came out in the '80s
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was enormous.
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The output was insane worldwide.
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Horror films really did open
the floodgates.
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Englund:
Horror, splatter, gore.
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Great Grand Guignol.
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That horror stew.
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Savini: Why did it affect me
so strongly?
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I mean, it really changed
everything.
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No! Allen: A good
horror film can be scary,
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but it can also make you laugh.
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It just picked something
in my brain.
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You're taken on this wild ride
emotionally.
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You're being terrified,
you're laughing,
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they relax you,
they make you laugh,
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then they scare you again.
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I'm a scaredy-cat.
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Rusler:
When I see a good horror movie,
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the first thing I want to do
when I get out of there
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is I want to fight or fuck.
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I look now at the '80s.
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There's never gonna be
another time like it.
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That's for damn sure.
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Hey kids, welcome to prime time!
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The key to understanding
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what made the films of the '80s
so great
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is to understand the influences
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that all the filmmakers had
as kids.
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It was clear that these
filmmakers were showing love
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for the movies of the past.
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There's a cycle.
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People who grew up on something
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relay that back
for a younger generation.
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So it's always this wheel
turning of, like,
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what's popular at one point
comes back around again.
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Good ones became
all-time classics
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while the bad ones became
cult favorites.
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Peterson: When I was doing
"Movie Macabre,"
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I saw myself
as kind of a librarian...
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exposing a new generation
of new people
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to these horror films
that I grew up with
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and that I loved
when I was young.
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I think it was important
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to curate these movies from
the past for a new audience.
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Unpleasant dreams.
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I was 8 years old in 1954,
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when "The Creature
From the Black Lagoon"
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hit the movie theaters, okay?
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Announcer:
A throwback to a creature
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that had existed
100 million years ago.
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In those days, I believed
that monsters were real.
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Frankenstein, the Wolf Man...
They were real.
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It's not until I saw
"Man of a Thousand Faces"
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that that showed me, "Oh,
somebody creates this stuff."
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Announcer: Yes, Lon Chaney was
all of these...
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The Hunchback of Notre Dame,
The Miracle Man,
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the Phantom of the Opera.
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Somebody says
"Oh, that's an old movie."
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Well, it's not old
if you haven't seen it.
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I fell in love with horror
when I was a young kid.
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"Bride of Frankenstein"
was my favorite.
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She's alive!
Alive!
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In the early '50s, I saw
"Thing From Another World."
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Howard Hawks.
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Oh, my God. That... Oh, geez.
I loved that.
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It was kind of serendipitous,
my life in horror movies.
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The very first horror movie
that I remember seeing
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was actually
a science-fiction film
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called "It Came
From Outer Space" in 3-D.
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And that meant
a gigantic impression...
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Because of the 3-D process.
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A meteor in the beginning
came out of the screen
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and blew up in my little face.
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I ran screaming.
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As a kid, I just couldn't get
enough of it.
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"Horror of Dracula"
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with Christopher Lee
and Peter Cushing.
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The iconic first reveal
of Dracula,
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with the bloodshot
contact lenses
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and the blood around his mouth
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when he snarls
at Jonathan Harker.
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It's just...
I'll never forget that image.
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Vampires, werewolves
were always...
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They're staples.
They're the original movies
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to show the manifestation
of our monsters.
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The film that gave me nightmares
for several years...
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And this is hard to admit...
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Was "Abbott and Costello Meet
Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde."
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That movie scared the crap
out of me.
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And, you know, it's funny
when I look back at it.
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I see elements of "Re-Animator"
in that film.
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You turn into Mr. Hyde
by getting an injection.
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So these guys with syringes
are running around,
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you know, in this movie,
very much like "Re-Animator."
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One more dose!
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"The Brain That Wouldn't Die."
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I was 8.
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It's really sort of
an early echo of "Re-Animator."
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All she would say is...
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Let me die.
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Let me die.
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But the idea was horrifying
to me.
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The first R-rated horror movie
I ever saw was "The Omen."
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It's all for you!
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I was 13 years old.
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My dad took me.
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I was raised Catholic,
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so that decapitation
of David Warner
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made a huge impression on me.
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And I've decapitated many people
in my movies over the years.
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I think it's one of the finest
ways of murdering someone.
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I was a big horror guy.
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In the '60s,
we had "Chiller Theatre."
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That was my Saturday night
go-to.
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I loved that stuff.
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My mother let me watch
"The Birds"
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when it came on television.
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I remember saying, "How could
you let me watch that?"
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But my mom was super cool.
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"Psycho."
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I was 10 years old.
My parents took me.
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I don't know if they had a clue
what we were going to see,
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but it certainly impacted
my life.
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We all go a little mad
sometimes.
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We're all sitting there
with our Chico Bon Bons
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and our hot buttered popcorn
and our Good & Plenty,
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you know, waiting for the movie.
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Announcer:
Now all the images of horror,
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the demons of your mind...
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That was, like,
this great fan-boy memory for me
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of how important that was to us.
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I'm a silly goose, ain't I?
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I'm telling you.
I love that old scary stuff.
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Dario Argento kicked off
the 1980s with "Inferno,"
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which was a continuation
of his "Mother of Tears" trilogy
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after "Suspiria."
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Basically took us
into an apartment building
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in New York City,
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and I think shows how their
sort of desire to infiltrate
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into American cinema was
very much there and prevalent.
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It feels like an amalgamation
of a lot of Argento movies.
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For me, probably the biggest
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and most impressive set piece
in that film
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is the underwater sequence
that we see early on,
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where it feels impossibly long.
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You're kind of holding
your breath with her.
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And yet it's so beautiful
and so tranquil,
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and it's such a fun
juxtaposition
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against everything else
in that movie.
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And with "Inferno,"
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you don't really get
a full-on viewing of the witch.
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You get sort of these glimpses
of her and her hands
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and the cauldron.
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Argento, as opposed to
just sort of showing his cards,
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he still plays with viewers
and kind of still holds back.
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There's definitely moments
of animal cruelty in "Inferno"
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that I think makes it
uncomfortable
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for a lot of folks.
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Ultimately, "Inferno" wraps up
with the reveal of the witch...
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and then, basically,
the building ends up in flames,
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which is very similar
to how "Suspiria" ends.
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But then "Inferno" kind of
takes it to another level
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with sort of death incarnate
making an appearance.
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"Inferno" is Argento, like,
really flexing his muscles.
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He's got a couple hits
under his belt,
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he's got some money, and he's
going for it in the early '80s.
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"Inferno" is one of those films.
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Announcer:
"Humanoids From the Deep."
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"Humanoids From the Deep."
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This is top-notch exploitation
from my buddy Roger Corman.
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This one features fishy mutants
trying to accost women
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so that they can be fruitful
and multiply.
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Not very PC, is it?
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Corman's mantra for the film
was literally the monsters
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need to kill all the men
and rape all the women.
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Oh! No!
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It was actually directed
by a woman, Barbara Peeters.
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Now, whether or not
Corman hired her
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to deflect some of the criticism
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from the movie's more exploitative
elements, I don't know.
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I do know that he requested
that a bunch more violence
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and nudity be added
in postproduction,
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which she was not happy
with him about.
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The humanoid costumes
are actually pretty cool.
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Rather than just the typical,
you know,
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"Creature From the
Black Lagoon"-style fish man...
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"Humanoids From the Deep"
was done so quickly.
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And it was a very low-budget
film on the producers' part.
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I ended up playing a humanoid.
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Every time...
Three hours to get into the suit
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and three hours
to get out of it,
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because of all the... you know,
putting the slimy seaweed
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to hide the unfinished parts
on it.
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Tenold:
The finale of the movie
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just goes completely
balls to the wall.
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It's fish men killing people.
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They're ripping bikinis
off of women.
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Corman was like, "You know what?
This movie's rated R.
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We're gonna earn that rating."
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Johnson: Barbara really liked
the way I took bullet hits.
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And so every time you see a
humanoid get shot in that movie,
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it's me.
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Help!
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"Humanoids From the Deep"
is a better creature feature
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than you'd expect
from Roger Corman.
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The end stinger
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is pretty much an "Alien"
chestburster rip-off...
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but it's still fun.
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Announcer: No one can escape
on Mother's Day, because...
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Mother's Day never ends.
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Two depraved brothers
kidnap friends
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who are on a camping trip
and then torture and rape them.
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This movie is very deranged.
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It's very depraved.
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It's very much something
that you could never make
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in this day and age.
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Ike and Addley are just
two filthy redneck...
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Just psycho monsters.
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And, of course, all orchestrated
by the mom.
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Darlings, you have
made your mother very proud.
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Their house is just disgusting.
It's cluttered.
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They eat like pigs.
They eat like slobs.
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She thinks it's funny, 'cause
she's the fucked-up mother.
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It's just... It's a real...
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Ugh.
It's a dirty movie.
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One of the best deaths
of all time
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was when they finally do escape.
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Pouring the Drano
down his throat.
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Then he's just vomiting up,
like, red...
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You would assume
it's his entrails.
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There's another amazing scene
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where they're trying to escape
down the side of the house
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with a sleeping bag,
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and the laces
of the sleeping bag
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are just cutting into her palms.
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It just looks real.
It looks gross.
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Like, what would you do?
You know, it's your friend.
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It does have some humor in it,
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but once again,
it's very black, dark humor.
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I swear sometimes you boys
are just like lil' savages.
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It's more
of a social commentary.
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Gore and comedy and...
But it's a masterpiece.
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Charles Kaufman wrote it
and directed it.
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In the 1980s, when it came out,
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it had a full-page ad
in The New York Times.
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Full page.
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And was distributed as if
it was, you know, an MGM movie.
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It was distributed
by an independent.
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They put a lot of money
into when it came out.
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It would never happen today.
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"Mother's Day" had at least
100 theaters when it opened.
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Jericho:
As horrific as it sounds, rape,
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in the '70s and early '80s
in horror movies
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was used as a plot device,
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specifically
in "Last House on the Left."
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I mean, that whole movie
is based around that.
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You would never see that now...
Nor should you see that now,
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but "Mother's Day" is the same
for that,
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where it's just over-the-top,
horrific things happening
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to these poor women, who then
have to go get their revenge
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by murdering the people who did
these horrible things to them.
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Aah!
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It's hard to watch.
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Because yeah, they get
their comeuppance in the end,
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but was it worth it?
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Like, these poor people.
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You don't leave those movies
going, "Enh, whatever."
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You go, like, "Wow.
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That really made you feel
something
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and made you leave a piece
of yourself with that movie."
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Dante: Once a picture
like "Prom Night" came out
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and made a lot of money,
the genre of the slasher film,
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which had really kind of started
with "Halloween,"
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but nobody
really called it that...
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But once "Prom Night" came out
and was a big hit,
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and the "Terror Trains"
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and all the other following
pictures that were made,
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it became a viable genre
unto itself.
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Our next movie is an exercise
in gruesome stupidity.
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Now, you might ask,
"What is gruesome stupidity?"
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That's when everybody
in the movie is stupid
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and they're also either dead
or covered in blood.
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This next movie
is a horrible example of that.
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Williams: It was like
"Murder on the Orient Express"
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with teenagers.
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And the movie itself,
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it's almost structured
like an anthology.
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Everybody has their own
little individual story line
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until they all kind of start
to collide together
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and you finally get where
the terror train was going.
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No!
No, no!
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That's when I started
recognizing Jamie Lee Curtis.
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I was just like,
"She's in everything."
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Those few years
after "Halloween," she was it.
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You know, she was the final girl.
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Jamie Lee Curtis...
She's a terrific every woman.
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She was an action figure.
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Aah!
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And what I do remember
is how creepy the killer was.
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There was this ambiguous,
androgynous sense to him
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that, as a young kid
who was being picked on a lot,
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I could see myself in that.
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You didn't necessarily
see yourself in the survivors.
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Man: Shut up.
Woman: Come on.
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I said move off... sir.
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You saw yourself in the people
who were being antagonized.
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The mask on the killer,
just a see-through...
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It was the same type of mask
from "Sweet Alice," actually.
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It was that kind of vibe.
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If you like early '80s
Jamie Lee Curtis...
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And who doesn't?
It's worth a watch.
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Announcer:
"Alligator."
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The nature-run-amok movies
of the '80s.
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Donna!
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Oh, fuck!
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Probably my favorite subgenre
of horror.
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Taylor: As a kid,
I remember all of my friends
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telling the urban legend
about this.
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Nobody I knew wanted to go
to New York City,
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because to them,
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the sewer system was
just crawling with rogue pets.
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I just love all the humor
in "Alligator."
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I mean, there are
some outrageous moments,
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like the alligator
in the swimming pool
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with the kid
walking the plank...
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the running joke about
Robert Forster's thinning hair.
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You need to see a hairstylist.
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They let your hair grow down
and whip the cross.
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There are just so many
little moments
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that humanize the characters
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and also provide
a good counterpoint.
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That's another movie that mixes
horror and comedy really well.
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The thing that I remember
the most about this movie
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was how realistic
the gator looked.
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I mean, the goddamn thing's
mouth was enormous!
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And then every time
it would eat somebody,
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it just felt like
you could fee lit.
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I mean, just this slamming down.
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And you're like, "Aah!"
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It always made my skin crawl.
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Robert Forster is, like...
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He's up, trying to get out
of the manhole cover,
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and it's stuck, and he's just
giving it as much as he can.
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And then you see the gator
coming up behind him.
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Like, "Oh, okay. So they can
just climb ladders now?
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This is horseshit."
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I can just remember the panic
as a kid,
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going, "Get out of there!
Get out of there!"
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00:20:05,986 --> 00:20:07,858
No!
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Gary?
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Mm. Very tense moment
for a 10-year-old.
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Announcer:
The most terrifying experiment
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00:20:26,964 --> 00:20:30,073
in the history of science
is out of control.
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Ken Russell just made
the weirdest, greatest movies
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in that time.
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I think he's totally underrated.
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I remember, in "Altered States"
the big gag,
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the really cool thing was with
the sensory-deprivation tank.
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The story line was really,
I thought,
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intellectually challenging.
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And William Hurt will always be
my favorite actor
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from that period of time.
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And then he did drugs
in the sensory-deprivation tank.
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00:21:02,695 --> 00:21:04,804
Well, that sounded like
a lot of fun, right?
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00:21:04,828 --> 00:21:07,221
That sounded like something
you wanted to do.
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He has these
horrible contortions
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that either is really happening
to him
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or he's imagining happening
to him.
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"Altered States" was one
of the first movies I saw
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that had, like,
that crazy makeup effect
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where the arm bubbles.
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This whole bladder technology,
I think it actually began
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00:21:32,942 --> 00:21:35,790
with "Altered States"
in the '80s, Dick Smith's work.
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And it was still, you know,
a groundbreaking technique
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to take skin and have that skin
change and be able to swell
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and do things
that we hadn't seen before.
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00:21:46,564 --> 00:21:48,760
Emily:
Defy it, Eddie.
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Eddie transforms into
some kind of a primal being
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that only indulges
his own elemental appetites.
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There are things that happen
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when you're exploring
these altered states
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that are unexplainable
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and could be liberating,
could be terrifying.
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At the end, when he's slamming
around the room,
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changing from, you know,
one state to another,
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is he imagining it?
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Is he actually becoming
this creature?
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00:22:21,294 --> 00:22:25,057
It's a mind-blow
in the best kind of way
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but also a cautionary tale,
right?
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00:22:27,736 --> 00:22:29,670
Which all great horror films
are cautionary tales.
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00:22:29,694 --> 00:22:30,976
I recommend it.
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00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,065
I'm gonna go make my son
sit through that,
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'cause he's a senior
in high school
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00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,180
and I want to make sure
that he never does drugs.
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00:22:55,590 --> 00:22:58,351
If you, as I did in the '80s,
walked into a movie theater
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00:22:58,375 --> 00:23:01,223
and didn't know you're walking
into an Italian horror movie,
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00:23:01,247 --> 00:23:02,877
you were kind of caught
wondering
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00:23:02,901 --> 00:23:04,531
what the hell
you just walked into.
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00:23:04,555 --> 00:23:05,995
Because it's
just a little different.
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00:23:09,168 --> 00:23:11,190
I mean, they're truly
foreign films, right?
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It's foreign to our experience.
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00:23:13,216 --> 00:23:15,498
Don't act like that. Come out.
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Englund: The Italian culture,
they love horror.
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00:23:18,308 --> 00:23:20,460
They respect it much more
than Americans.
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They respect it as a genre,
like the Western...
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Get three coffins ready.
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Or the gangster film
or the film noir or the mystery.
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I think there is a reaction
to the inherent fascism
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that was in or left over
in those cultures at that time.
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00:23:34,150 --> 00:23:36,911
Italy was also
sort of coming out
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00:23:36,935 --> 00:23:40,286
from under a conservative,
authoritarian regime.
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00:23:41,983 --> 00:23:46,224
When it comes to Italian
filmmakers during the 1980s,
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00:23:46,248 --> 00:23:49,401
I think the three titans
of Italian cinema
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00:23:49,425 --> 00:23:54,362
were Lamberto Bava, Lucio Fulci,
and, of course, Dario Argento.
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00:23:54,386 --> 00:23:57,409
Argento's is very operatic.
It's very colorful.
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00:23:57,433 --> 00:24:01,524
It's a sensory experience, with
sound and color and set pieces.
430
00:24:08,531 --> 00:24:10,117
"Suspiria" is one
of my favorite movies,
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00:24:10,141 --> 00:24:12,598
not only because
of the story line,
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00:24:12,622 --> 00:24:15,906
but also because
Dario Argento's color palette
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00:24:15,930 --> 00:24:17,124
is so amazing.
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00:24:17,148 --> 00:24:19,498
And the kills are amazing in it.
435
00:24:25,026 --> 00:24:28,179
"Opera" to me is a classic.
Dario Argento's "Opera."
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00:24:28,203 --> 00:24:31,728
He's a visual stylist, okay?
437
00:24:32,773 --> 00:24:35,273
The shot through the peephole
in the door,
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00:24:35,297 --> 00:24:38,319
when the guy gets the bullet
and it takes out the phone...
439
00:24:38,343 --> 00:24:40,084
That's incredible stuff, okay?
440
00:24:45,786 --> 00:24:47,918
To me, Dario is a volcano
of the mind.
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00:24:51,879 --> 00:24:54,118
Lamberto Bava was the wild card
442
00:24:54,142 --> 00:24:57,904
of the Italian maestros
of horror cinema in the 1980s.
443
00:24:57,928 --> 00:24:59,601
He was the guy
who was gonna take you
444
00:24:59,625 --> 00:25:01,473
on some really crazy journeys
445
00:25:01,497 --> 00:25:05,259
that you possibly could not have
ever expected you would go on.
446
00:25:05,283 --> 00:25:06,739
He would just take big swings
447
00:25:06,763 --> 00:25:08,809
that would connect
in very unique ways.
448
00:25:16,555 --> 00:25:18,620
And then you have somebody
like Lucio Fulci,
449
00:25:18,644 --> 00:25:21,493
who was sort of the maestro
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00:25:21,517 --> 00:25:24,801
of these really
over-the-top effects...
451
00:25:24,825 --> 00:25:27,368
Gooey, gory movies
452
00:25:27,392 --> 00:25:31,745
where you could almost just feel
the residue on your skin.
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00:25:36,314 --> 00:25:38,075
Fulci is the weirdest to me,
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00:25:38,099 --> 00:25:40,425
because he doesn't give a shit
about reality.
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00:25:40,449 --> 00:25:43,210
He is creating a weird,
surreal hallucination for you.
456
00:25:43,234 --> 00:25:46,953
And Fulci clearly has
some kind of eye fetish
457
00:25:46,977 --> 00:25:49,371
where he needs to do eye trauma
every time.
458
00:25:51,503 --> 00:25:53,177
And it's horrible.
459
00:25:53,201 --> 00:25:57,595
What's more horrifying
than to be stabbed in the eye?
460
00:26:02,905 --> 00:26:05,212
They're into eyeballs.
461
00:26:07,562 --> 00:26:09,583
A lot of eyeballs.
462
00:26:09,607 --> 00:26:11,324
The Italians just went there
immediately.
463
00:26:11,348 --> 00:26:12,828
You know, they just went,
"Boom!"
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00:26:15,483 --> 00:26:17,766
Argento did a little bit
of that too,
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00:26:17,790 --> 00:26:19,506
especially with "Opera,"
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00:26:19,530 --> 00:26:23,249
where you have a character
who's completely defenseless
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00:26:23,273 --> 00:26:27,471
and is forced to watch
these horrific, macabre events.
468
00:26:27,495 --> 00:26:30,300
They have needles taped
right underneath their eyes,
469
00:26:30,324 --> 00:26:33,651
so if they close their eyes,
they will shred their eyelids,
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00:26:33,675 --> 00:26:36,523
which to me... I can't think of
a more terrifying scenario
471
00:26:36,547 --> 00:26:38,264
to be put in.
472
00:26:38,288 --> 00:26:40,919
Italian directors were sort of
challenging us as viewers
473
00:26:40,943 --> 00:26:42,486
with the eye trauma,
474
00:26:42,510 --> 00:26:44,749
being like, "Well,
if you're gonna watch this,
475
00:26:44,773 --> 00:26:46,601
you know, this is what you get."
476
00:26:48,516 --> 00:26:52,452
Reflective of our willingness
to sit there and bear witness
477
00:26:52,476 --> 00:26:56,152
to a lot of this really crazy
and over-the-top gore
478
00:26:56,176 --> 00:26:58,458
that they were willing to put
into their movies
479
00:26:58,482 --> 00:27:00,049
for our entertainment.
480
00:27:01,746 --> 00:27:04,203
Geretta: And the eyes
are the window to the soul.
481
00:27:04,227 --> 00:27:05,901
Bingo.
482
00:27:05,925 --> 00:27:09,015
And you know those smart
Italians had thought about that.
483
00:27:13,193 --> 00:27:15,388
Englund:
My heart with the Italians
484
00:27:15,412 --> 00:27:17,564
is in the style,
the stylized horror.
485
00:27:17,588 --> 00:27:21,133
Not that I have anything
against Italian cannibal horror,
486
00:27:21,157 --> 00:27:23,353
because I know how influential
it is
487
00:27:23,377 --> 00:27:25,137
and I know how hard core it is,
488
00:27:25,161 --> 00:27:28,271
and I know what it represents
in the world of horror,
489
00:27:28,295 --> 00:27:29,663
splatter, gore.
490
00:27:29,687 --> 00:27:31,752
I just was so taken
491
00:27:31,776 --> 00:27:35,868
with the sort of stylistics
of the Italians.
492
00:27:41,221 --> 00:27:44,678
I am totally in love
with Italian Giallo.
493
00:27:44,702 --> 00:27:48,402
There's a different reality
in Italian Giallo films.
494
00:27:50,404 --> 00:27:54,123
The reality doesn't have to be
so airtight.
495
00:27:54,147 --> 00:27:57,300
One of the things
that fans say to me all the time
496
00:27:57,324 --> 00:27:59,215
is they go,
"I love those Italian movies.
497
00:27:59,239 --> 00:28:01,913
They're just crazy.
They don't make any sense."
498
00:28:01,937 --> 00:28:04,873
Mm, sorry.
Yeah, they do.
499
00:28:04,897 --> 00:28:08,267
But it's based on their culture,
not ours.
500
00:28:08,291 --> 00:28:11,791
They make perfect sense
within their culture.
501
00:28:11,815 --> 00:28:15,491
Wixson: Giallo really takes
your expectations
502
00:28:15,515 --> 00:28:17,362
and then completely
obliterates them
503
00:28:17,386 --> 00:28:19,538
and comes at you
in a totally different way.
504
00:28:19,562 --> 00:28:21,932
There's definitely motifs
that we saw in giallo movies.
505
00:28:21,956 --> 00:28:25,588
You'd have the mystery killer
who was stalking somebody.
506
00:28:25,612 --> 00:28:27,677
Most of the time,
they were wearing gloves.
507
00:28:27,701 --> 00:28:29,548
It was never usually a gun.
508
00:28:29,572 --> 00:28:31,768
It was always something
like a switchblade or a knife,
509
00:28:31,792 --> 00:28:34,640
which gave these movies
sort of a sense of intimacy.
510
00:28:34,664 --> 00:28:38,731
Ultimately, like, having sort of
a collection of victims as well.
511
00:28:38,755 --> 00:28:41,430
Like, there is always
a larger picture
512
00:28:41,454 --> 00:28:43,084
in terms of
sort of the body count
513
00:28:43,108 --> 00:28:45,695
that they wanted to amass
in giallo movies.
514
00:28:45,719 --> 00:28:49,655
It's a celebration of horror,
of bodies, of bleeding,
515
00:28:49,679 --> 00:28:51,483
of screaming women.
516
00:28:51,507 --> 00:28:53,921
It's also the appreciation
of the kills...
517
00:28:53,945 --> 00:28:56,904
The special-effects makeup,
the supernatural.
518
00:29:02,301 --> 00:29:04,235
You'll always get a payoff,
519
00:29:04,259 --> 00:29:06,020
even if it takes a while
to get there.
520
00:29:06,044 --> 00:29:07,847
And it's gonna make you go,
"Ugh!"
521
00:29:07,871 --> 00:29:10,198
And it doesn't stop, so you
can't just close your eyes.
522
00:29:10,222 --> 00:29:12,461
No. It just goes
and it goes and it goes.
523
00:29:12,485 --> 00:29:14,332
You know,
it's right down your throat.
524
00:29:14,356 --> 00:29:18,099
"We are going to make you recoil
in terror no matter what."
525
00:29:25,411 --> 00:29:27,041
Fear is universal.
526
00:29:27,065 --> 00:29:29,173
You know, it's another reason
why horror does well
527
00:29:29,197 --> 00:29:30,740
in distribution
around the world.
528
00:29:30,764 --> 00:29:32,524
You don't have to know
the languages.
529
00:29:32,548 --> 00:29:33,917
Everyone can recognize running.
530
00:29:33,941 --> 00:29:35,658
Everyone can recognize fear.
531
00:29:35,682 --> 00:29:37,660
When you went to see
these movies,
532
00:29:37,684 --> 00:29:40,532
you didn't go because you knew
anything about them.
533
00:29:40,556 --> 00:29:43,492
You went because of the poster,
the newspaper ad, the title.
534
00:29:43,516 --> 00:29:48,410
You went because of the
titillation of the ad campaign.
535
00:29:48,434 --> 00:29:50,934
All of the Italian horror films,
for example,
536
00:29:50,958 --> 00:29:54,242
came out during this period, but
nobody knew they were Italian.
537
00:29:54,266 --> 00:29:57,767
All the Italian names were
changed to Anglicized names,
538
00:29:57,791 --> 00:29:59,377
and they were dubbed, of course.
539
00:29:59,401 --> 00:30:00,944
I'll kill you, you son of a...
540
00:30:00,968 --> 00:30:03,642
Are you trying to say
that those girls were killed
541
00:30:03,666 --> 00:30:06,863
by someone you wouldn't define
as a school friend?
542
00:30:06,887 --> 00:30:08,865
Dubbing in Italian horror,
I think,
543
00:30:08,889 --> 00:30:10,388
takes a while to get used to.
544
00:30:10,412 --> 00:30:12,260
Because if you're not
expecting it,
545
00:30:12,284 --> 00:30:13,652
it can be very off-putting.
546
00:30:13,676 --> 00:30:16,090
Best, best bad overdubs,
for sure.
547
00:30:16,114 --> 00:30:18,048
The worst overdubs.
548
00:30:18,072 --> 00:30:21,182
Worse than then, you know,
old Kung Fu movies.
549
00:30:21,206 --> 00:30:23,227
Listen to me, young lady.
We're in this situation...
550
00:30:23,251 --> 00:30:26,274
You listen, you gang
of bloodthirsty bastard!
551
00:30:26,298 --> 00:30:28,231
"Hey, what's going on here?
552
00:30:28,255 --> 00:30:29,754
What's in that closet?"
553
00:30:29,778 --> 00:30:31,452
"Don't open it."
554
00:30:31,476 --> 00:30:33,497
"Why not?
Oh, it's a zombie. Shoot it."
555
00:30:33,521 --> 00:30:34,870
"Aah!"
556
00:30:37,090 --> 00:30:39,982
That's the inherent charm of it.
557
00:30:40,006 --> 00:30:42,767
Like, that's the rough edges
that I love about it.
558
00:30:42,791 --> 00:30:44,856
Because it doesn't feel
super polished.
559
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,642
When we laugh at dubbing and
we go, "The lips don't match,"
560
00:30:47,666 --> 00:30:50,471
and for the rest of the world,
that doesn't matter.
561
00:30:50,495 --> 00:30:52,038
Smoking is not allowed in here.
562
00:30:52,062 --> 00:30:53,691
Excuse us. Geretta: I've dubbed.
563
00:30:53,715 --> 00:30:56,346
I've dubbed myself.
I've dubbed other people.
564
00:30:56,370 --> 00:30:59,219
It is an art form, and it takes
a while to get good at it.
565
00:30:59,243 --> 00:31:03,334
Huh. What I think
doesn't matter anymore.
566
00:31:04,335 --> 00:31:05,790
Bitch.
567
00:31:05,814 --> 00:31:07,749
I think Italian
horror filmmakers are fans
568
00:31:07,773 --> 00:31:09,620
of American horror
and American dollars.
569
00:31:09,644 --> 00:31:12,710
That heightened Italian flavor
gets into America,
570
00:31:12,734 --> 00:31:14,625
gets into theaters,
gets into video stores.
571
00:31:14,649 --> 00:31:17,846
That lurid box art starts
to show up on the shelves.
572
00:31:17,870 --> 00:31:20,979
The Italians were churning out
splatter movies...
573
00:31:21,003 --> 00:31:23,156
Must have been like 20 a week
or something.
574
00:31:23,180 --> 00:31:25,158
So every week,
there was something new.
575
00:31:25,182 --> 00:31:27,638
They all have a very special
place in my heart.
576
00:31:27,662 --> 00:31:29,708
They're not all necessarily
great films.
577
00:31:31,753 --> 00:31:33,775
They were just doing
what they wanted to do
578
00:31:33,799 --> 00:31:35,646
and telling
these really crazy stories.
579
00:31:35,670 --> 00:31:38,084
Honestly, when you would pick up
a movie at the video store,
580
00:31:38,108 --> 00:31:40,390
you never knew what experience
you were in for.
581
00:31:40,414 --> 00:31:43,089
And that was the fun of it.
582
00:31:43,113 --> 00:31:44,786
Nobile:
I think what's interesting
583
00:31:44,810 --> 00:31:46,701
about Italian exploitation
in general
584
00:31:46,725 --> 00:31:48,355
is that it all starts
as a rip-off.
585
00:31:48,379 --> 00:31:51,358
You'll get one hit,
and then you'll get 30 copies.
586
00:31:51,382 --> 00:31:53,447
Going back to, like,
a Hercules movie in the '50s.
587
00:31:53,471 --> 00:31:55,013
They've got a hit
Hercules movie,
588
00:31:55,037 --> 00:31:56,841
and then there's all these
sword-and-sandal movies.
589
00:31:56,865 --> 00:31:58,321
You've got "Fistful of Dollars"
590
00:31:58,345 --> 00:32:00,193
and then the whole
spaghetti-Western genre.
591
00:32:00,217 --> 00:32:02,369
And the horror genre
is no different.
592
00:32:02,393 --> 00:32:05,633
They picked up on
what was happening in America
593
00:32:05,657 --> 00:32:08,288
and copied it
and then perverted it...
594
00:32:08,312 --> 00:32:09,985
I say that as a compliment...
595
00:32:10,009 --> 00:32:13,752
And made it gaudy and loud
and funky...
596
00:32:15,797 --> 00:32:17,384
and naked.
597
00:32:17,408 --> 00:32:20,648
There's so much American DNA
in Italian horror,
598
00:32:20,672 --> 00:32:24,086
but it's all just cranked up
to this insane level.
599
00:32:24,110 --> 00:32:26,784
So a lot of times
what you may have seen
600
00:32:26,808 --> 00:32:28,221
is people doing the best
they can
601
00:32:28,245 --> 00:32:29,961
with the financial choices
they were given,
602
00:32:29,985 --> 00:32:32,007
people still wanting to make
their movie.
603
00:32:32,031 --> 00:32:35,271
And like anything else,
artistry is on a scale.
604
00:32:35,295 --> 00:32:36,968
So thanks to the Italians
605
00:32:36,992 --> 00:32:39,232
and thanks to "Suspiria"
and everything that came after,
606
00:32:39,256 --> 00:32:41,669
suddenly '80s horror
is very colorful...
607
00:32:41,693 --> 00:32:43,626
In a way that '70s horror
was not.
608
00:32:43,650 --> 00:32:46,392
And I think you can tie that
directly to the Italians.
609
00:33:01,059 --> 00:33:03,124
Announcer:
"The Funhouse"...
610
00:33:03,148 --> 00:33:05,648
Coming soon
from Universal Pictures.
611
00:33:05,672 --> 00:33:07,955
"The Funhouse" is a movie
that kind of gets lost
612
00:33:07,979 --> 00:33:09,522
in Tobe Hooper's filmography
613
00:33:09,546 --> 00:33:12,264
because it's between
"Texas Chain Saw Massacre"
614
00:33:12,288 --> 00:33:14,875
and then those crazy movies
he made for Cannon Films
615
00:33:14,899 --> 00:33:16,485
in the mid-'80s,
616
00:33:16,509 --> 00:33:18,531
which is a shame,
because it's actually, like,
617
00:33:18,555 --> 00:33:20,426
a solid little
haunted-house slasher movie.
618
00:33:23,951 --> 00:33:25,755
Moseley:
Well, it was funny,
619
00:33:25,779 --> 00:33:27,931
because I was actually dating
Elizabeth Berridge
620
00:33:27,955 --> 00:33:30,760
for a while there,
so it was great to see her work.
621
00:33:30,784 --> 00:33:32,438
Joey!
622
00:33:34,310 --> 00:33:36,113
I think that's one
of my favorite Tobe movies.
623
00:33:36,137 --> 00:33:38,768
I certainly loved the monster.
I thought that was fantastic.
624
00:33:38,792 --> 00:33:39,856
I loved that whole movie.
625
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:41,510
The monster in "The Funhouse,"
626
00:33:41,534 --> 00:33:44,209
a guy named Gunther,
wears this Frankenstein mask
627
00:33:44,233 --> 00:33:47,908
because his actual face
is also really horrendous.
628
00:33:47,932 --> 00:33:50,563
And the effects on his face
are really memorable.
629
00:33:50,587 --> 00:33:52,956
You got, like,
red eyes and fangs
630
00:33:52,980 --> 00:33:54,852
and this stringy white hair.
631
00:33:59,465 --> 00:34:01,835
You tell me who got it!
Come on!
632
00:34:01,859 --> 00:34:04,272
Just this kind of harelip,
fanged mouth
633
00:34:04,296 --> 00:34:05,993
with drool coming out of it.
634
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:12,019
This sort of bastard son
of the carnival guy.
635
00:34:12,043 --> 00:34:15,327
Just the way he's treated
and the way he's deformed and...
636
00:34:15,351 --> 00:34:16,806
You almost feel for him,
637
00:34:16,830 --> 00:34:18,745
but yet he's going around
killing people.
638
00:34:22,836 --> 00:34:24,684
This has got to be
the only movie
639
00:34:24,708 --> 00:34:27,121
where the inciting incident
is a guy in a Frankenstein mask
640
00:34:27,145 --> 00:34:29,863
getting some happy service
by a psychic.
641
00:34:29,887 --> 00:34:32,039
Nothing to be ashamed of.
642
00:34:32,063 --> 00:34:33,456
It happens to the best of us.
643
00:34:35,806 --> 00:34:37,653
What's interesting
about this movie
644
00:34:37,677 --> 00:34:40,265
is that it's a lot more graphic
than "Texas Chain Saw Massacre,"
645
00:34:40,289 --> 00:34:42,639
where all the gore is implied
and you don't really see it.
646
00:34:45,772 --> 00:34:47,968
You get to see
all the backstage parts
647
00:34:47,992 --> 00:34:51,014
of the funhouse in a carnival...
All the whirring mechanics
648
00:34:51,038 --> 00:34:52,910
and the trap doors
and the track.
649
00:34:55,216 --> 00:34:57,174
It's great to see that space
explored.
650
00:34:59,263 --> 00:35:01,241
Jericho:
"Funhouse," to me, is a movie
651
00:35:01,265 --> 00:35:04,113
that was completely made
by Fangoria
652
00:35:04,137 --> 00:35:07,595
and talking about the influence
of the magazines at that time.
653
00:35:07,619 --> 00:35:09,684
I remember when I saw that
on the cover,
654
00:35:09,708 --> 00:35:12,644
I was like, "That's disgusting."
655
00:35:12,668 --> 00:35:15,299
It's one of those things where
when you're in a funhouse
656
00:35:15,323 --> 00:35:18,084
ever since then,
I always wonder,
657
00:35:18,108 --> 00:35:20,284
"What if this guy
is an actual killer?"
658
00:35:23,026 --> 00:35:25,202
All right.
Here we go!
659
00:35:30,207 --> 00:35:32,664
Announcer: Prepare
for "The Final Conflict,"
660
00:35:32,688 --> 00:35:35,560
the concluding chapter
of the "Omen" trilogy.
661
00:35:37,432 --> 00:35:40,609
"Omen III" was 1981.
662
00:35:41,610 --> 00:35:44,197
That picked up Damien
as an adult.
663
00:35:44,221 --> 00:35:48,810
He's a thirty-ish politician
played by Sam Neill.
664
00:35:48,834 --> 00:35:51,509
I think that was the first time
I had ever seen Sam Neill,
665
00:35:51,533 --> 00:35:54,599
probably same for
American audiences in general.
666
00:35:54,623 --> 00:35:56,581
Take him.
667
00:36:01,064 --> 00:36:04,739
As the movie begins,
he has the post that his father,
668
00:36:04,763 --> 00:36:08,395
Gregory Peck, had
a mere five years before him
669
00:36:08,419 --> 00:36:12,704
in the, you know, twisted
chronology of the "Omen" series,
670
00:36:12,728 --> 00:36:14,662
where they would, you know,
fast-forward
671
00:36:14,686 --> 00:36:16,185
with soap-opera speed.
672
00:36:16,209 --> 00:36:18,318
"Omen II," Damien was 13.
673
00:36:18,342 --> 00:36:21,016
Suddenly, he's 30 years old.
674
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,671
Anyway, he is the ambassador
to Great Britain
675
00:36:23,695 --> 00:36:26,587
at the beginning of the story,
as is the wont
676
00:36:26,611 --> 00:36:29,808
of all of the devil worshipers
who surround Damien.
677
00:36:29,832 --> 00:36:32,201
And they're grooming him
for his, you know,
678
00:36:32,225 --> 00:36:33,899
ultimate world power.
679
00:36:33,923 --> 00:36:35,553
Do you hear me?
680
00:36:35,577 --> 00:36:38,120
Group:
We hear and obey.
681
00:36:38,144 --> 00:36:40,645
We hear and obey.
682
00:36:40,669 --> 00:36:43,735
One of the weird things
about that movie
683
00:36:43,759 --> 00:36:45,780
is that it really
is all structured around
684
00:36:45,804 --> 00:36:48,479
a series of murders of babies.
685
00:36:48,503 --> 00:36:51,264
Because in the story,
686
00:36:51,288 --> 00:36:53,962
the rebirth of Christ
has also happened.
687
00:36:53,986 --> 00:36:57,488
And now Damien feels threatened
by this,
688
00:36:57,512 --> 00:37:01,361
so he dispatches all
of his devil-worshiping minions
689
00:37:01,385 --> 00:37:03,711
to kill all the babies.
690
00:37:03,735 --> 00:37:06,018
Slay the Nazarene,
691
00:37:06,042 --> 00:37:11,937
and you will know the violent
raptures of my father's kingdom.
692
00:37:11,961 --> 00:37:13,807
Which is kind of hilarious,
693
00:37:13,831 --> 00:37:16,157
because it's just, like,
something you could not do
694
00:37:16,181 --> 00:37:17,245
in movies anymore.
695
00:37:17,269 --> 00:37:19,247
Liquidate the Nazarene.
696
00:37:19,271 --> 00:37:21,293
There's a woman who...
697
00:37:21,317 --> 00:37:24,818
She just, like, somehow
has this weird hallucination
698
00:37:24,842 --> 00:37:27,342
of her baby as a monster.
699
00:37:27,366 --> 00:37:31,869
And so she takes a hot iron
to the baby and goes "Chh!"
700
00:37:31,893 --> 00:37:35,026
It's... It's really
kind of unspeakable.
701
00:37:47,517 --> 00:37:49,321
Scrivens:
"Friday the 13th Part II"...
702
00:37:49,345 --> 00:37:52,280
I'd seen the end of that movie
so many times
703
00:37:52,304 --> 00:37:54,282
because it was tacked on
to the beginning
704
00:37:54,306 --> 00:37:57,677
of "Friday the 13th Part III,"
which I rented a lot as a kid.
705
00:37:57,701 --> 00:37:59,374
There's something
really charming
706
00:37:59,398 --> 00:38:00,941
about the characters
in that film.
707
00:38:00,965 --> 00:38:02,769
Jeff, the women
are showing you up.
708
00:38:02,793 --> 00:38:04,795
What's the matter with ya?
709
00:38:06,057 --> 00:38:07,295
Hey.
710
00:38:07,319 --> 00:38:09,863
The second one, to me,
711
00:38:09,887 --> 00:38:13,737
is the only true definition
of a sequel.
712
00:38:13,761 --> 00:38:17,721
Bigger story, bigger budget,
bigger scares.
713
00:38:19,549 --> 00:38:21,614
Massive twist
because now you're going,
714
00:38:21,638 --> 00:38:24,119
"This is the first appearance
of Jason as the killer."
715
00:38:26,208 --> 00:38:28,578
It was the first one
that Steve Miner directed.
716
00:38:28,602 --> 00:38:34,259
The way he paced it was that you
didn't know who was gonna die.
717
00:38:36,740 --> 00:38:38,544
Manfredini:
Jason, he's the shark.
718
00:38:38,568 --> 00:38:41,286
You're gonna do something
and Jason's gonna knock you off.
719
00:38:41,310 --> 00:38:43,312
You know.
720
00:38:45,793 --> 00:38:48,293
I loved Amy Steel
as the lead heroine.
721
00:38:48,317 --> 00:38:50,580
You're such a suck-up, Mark.
722
00:38:51,755 --> 00:38:54,255
She is just awesome and badass.
723
00:38:54,279 --> 00:38:56,475
I love the way Jason and her
interact with each other
724
00:38:56,499 --> 00:38:57,476
at the end.
725
00:38:57,500 --> 00:38:59,043
The chase at the end, to me,
726
00:38:59,067 --> 00:39:01,524
is one of my favorite
final moments...
727
00:39:01,548 --> 00:39:04,222
The rat going under the bed
and peeing underneath it.
728
00:39:04,246 --> 00:39:07,878
There's moments in there
that are almost a little quirky
729
00:39:07,902 --> 00:39:10,513
that I don't feel happened
in other films like that.
730
00:39:14,865 --> 00:39:16,626
She psychs out Jason.
731
00:39:16,650 --> 00:39:18,628
I love that scene,
732
00:39:18,652 --> 00:39:21,239
where they're in
what we call the Chez Jason,
733
00:39:21,263 --> 00:39:23,894
with the head there
and all the candles and stuff,
734
00:39:23,918 --> 00:39:25,765
and she puts on the sweater,
735
00:39:25,789 --> 00:39:28,288
and Jason's, like,
got the sack thing
736
00:39:28,312 --> 00:39:29,400
and freaking out and stuff.
737
00:39:36,973 --> 00:39:40,257
I wish they had never abandoned
the burlap sack.
738
00:39:40,281 --> 00:39:42,085
And that's what a lot of people
don't realize,
739
00:39:42,109 --> 00:39:46,113
is that he doesn't get the
hockey mask until number three.
740
00:39:48,028 --> 00:39:52,661
But it's just overall, to me,
so much scarier
741
00:39:52,685 --> 00:39:54,358
than any of the other ones.
742
00:39:54,382 --> 00:39:56,863
I think that's probably why
it's my favorite.
743
00:40:09,527 --> 00:40:11,810
Announcer:
"Graduation Day."
744
00:40:11,834 --> 00:40:13,682
"Graduation Day" is a movie
745
00:40:13,706 --> 00:40:16,162
that has a killer
who is killing people
746
00:40:16,186 --> 00:40:19,818
specifically who were on
the high school track team.
747
00:40:19,842 --> 00:40:21,646
It stars Linnea Quigley,
748
00:40:21,670 --> 00:40:23,126
but originally, it didn't have
Linnea Quigley.
749
00:40:23,150 --> 00:40:24,910
They had another actress
in the place
750
00:40:24,934 --> 00:40:27,086
who they filmed some scenes
with her,
751
00:40:27,110 --> 00:40:29,088
but then she wouldn't do
the nudity
752
00:40:29,112 --> 00:40:30,829
that was required with the role.
753
00:40:30,853 --> 00:40:34,659
So they fired her
and brought in Linnea Quigley
754
00:40:34,683 --> 00:40:36,139
to play the same part.
755
00:40:36,163 --> 00:40:38,881
Now there's a blonde,
but she's different
756
00:40:38,905 --> 00:40:41,623
but she's playing
the same character.
757
00:40:41,647 --> 00:40:44,930
Your ass is mine.
758
00:40:44,954 --> 00:40:46,932
Ooh! Tough guy! Oh, no!
759
00:40:46,956 --> 00:40:48,847
Quigley:
It was just, like, a fun film.
760
00:40:48,871 --> 00:40:51,265
It was light, and it's got
all these great kills in it.
761
00:40:58,011 --> 00:40:59,553
Like, my boyfriend,
762
00:40:59,577 --> 00:41:01,860
Billy Hufsey,
who teaches acting classes now
763
00:41:01,884 --> 00:41:03,993
and I don't think wants
to talk about it
764
00:41:04,017 --> 00:41:07,344
was like, going to... Of course,
"I'll be right back,"
765
00:41:07,368 --> 00:41:10,458
and goes and pees in the woods
and gets his head chopped off.
766
00:41:14,854 --> 00:41:18,094
I remember doing the running,
767
00:41:18,118 --> 00:41:20,400
and I made a mistake...
Which I'll never do again...
768
00:41:20,424 --> 00:41:23,447
And I ate lunch... a lot.
769
00:41:23,471 --> 00:41:26,232
I remember having to throw up
because I was running so much.
770
00:41:26,256 --> 00:41:28,278
I was just like...
771
00:41:28,302 --> 00:41:30,149
I'm like, "Oh, my God.
My stomach."
772
00:41:30,173 --> 00:41:34,588
So that was a fun fact too...
That I threw up after running.
773
00:41:34,612 --> 00:41:36,199
When they were doing
the effects,
774
00:41:36,223 --> 00:41:38,244
they had cast the head
of the original girl.
775
00:41:38,268 --> 00:41:42,118
So you see Linnea Quigley
through most of the film,
776
00:41:42,142 --> 00:41:44,641
and then in the end,
when she gets killed,
777
00:41:44,665 --> 00:41:47,252
they're using the head
of the girl
778
00:41:47,276 --> 00:41:49,907
from the beginning
of the movie...
779
00:41:49,931 --> 00:41:52,736
It's not my head,
but it's supposed to be.
780
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:54,956
Which has confused a few people.
781
00:41:54,980 --> 00:41:56,827
Vanna White also appears
in the movie,
782
00:41:56,851 --> 00:41:58,611
but she doesn't turn letters.
783
00:41:58,635 --> 00:42:02,117
Fuck.
It's blood.
784
00:42:05,077 --> 00:42:09,274
It's another example of
how popular horror films were.
785
00:42:09,298 --> 00:42:12,756
You had this movie that cost
around $250,000.
786
00:42:12,780 --> 00:42:17,698
They put it out there.
It made almost $24 million.
787
00:42:30,711 --> 00:42:32,950
Those old trailers
from the '80s,
788
00:42:32,974 --> 00:42:34,996
they just had a certain magic
to them,
789
00:42:35,020 --> 00:42:36,388
where you'd have the voice
790
00:42:36,412 --> 00:42:38,477
of something as silly
as "The Boogens,"
791
00:42:38,501 --> 00:42:40,653
but they deliver it in...
"The Boogens."
792
00:42:40,677 --> 00:42:42,960
And that sets off something
in your head
793
00:42:42,984 --> 00:42:47,946
where you need to see this movie
to see what are the boogens.
794
00:42:49,948 --> 00:42:52,796
Announcer:
There is no escape.
795
00:42:52,820 --> 00:42:54,363
"The Boogens."
796
00:42:54,387 --> 00:42:57,235
And the people involved
with the production,
797
00:42:57,259 --> 00:43:01,065
they didn't know what the
boogens was going to look like.
798
00:43:01,089 --> 00:43:03,938
They hired a special-effects guy
and they said, "Okay.
799
00:43:03,962 --> 00:43:06,679
Here's the ideas that we have."
800
00:43:06,703 --> 00:43:09,117
And he came back with this idea
of a little monster
801
00:43:09,141 --> 00:43:10,683
with, like, crab claws.
802
00:43:10,707 --> 00:43:12,598
And they were like,
"Well, that's really cool,
803
00:43:12,622 --> 00:43:14,426
but that's not
what a boogens looks like."
804
00:43:14,450 --> 00:43:16,559
And they were like, "Well,
what does a boogens look like?"
805
00:43:16,583 --> 00:43:18,300
They're like, "We don't know."
806
00:43:18,324 --> 00:43:22,391
And he went and eventually
designed this monster.
807
00:43:22,415 --> 00:43:23,958
It was like a turtle.
808
00:43:23,982 --> 00:43:25,786
But the turtle shell
809
00:43:25,810 --> 00:43:28,353
was supposed to look like
the brain of a sheep
810
00:43:28,377 --> 00:43:31,661
that he saw
in a medical catalog.
811
00:43:31,685 --> 00:43:34,882
It had tentacles, and its head
could come out and retract,
812
00:43:34,906 --> 00:43:36,622
and it had teeth,
813
00:43:36,646 --> 00:43:39,756
and it was just the most
ridiculous hodgepodge of ideas
814
00:43:39,780 --> 00:43:41,366
that could all come together
815
00:43:41,390 --> 00:43:44,674
and somehow be thrown
into a horror film.
816
00:43:44,698 --> 00:43:46,787
Strangest damn thing I ever saw.
817
00:43:57,754 --> 00:43:59,819
Announcer:
"Dead & Buried."
818
00:43:59,843 --> 00:44:03,648
It will take your breath away.
819
00:44:03,672 --> 00:44:05,737
Englund:
That's my second horror film.
820
00:44:05,761 --> 00:44:08,566
There's some great sequences
and great images in it.
821
00:44:08,590 --> 00:44:10,873
We were all up
in this great little town
822
00:44:10,897 --> 00:44:12,744
in Northern California
called Mendocino.
823
00:44:12,768 --> 00:44:15,486
And you don't have to dress it.
It's just there.
824
00:44:15,510 --> 00:44:18,489
It looks like Stephen King's
gonna walk out of every door.
825
00:44:18,513 --> 00:44:21,188
It looks exactly like what you
think Maine should look like.
826
00:44:21,212 --> 00:44:24,974
And it's James Farentino,
the late, great Jack Albertson,
827
00:44:24,998 --> 00:44:26,323
and Lisa Blount.
828
00:44:26,347 --> 00:44:28,848
Wonderful, extraordinary
actress.
829
00:44:28,872 --> 00:44:31,807
Most people know her
from "Officer and a Gentleman."
830
00:44:31,831 --> 00:44:34,442
It's actually an effective
little movie.
831
00:44:36,705 --> 00:44:38,335
That's it! No!
No! Don't do that!
832
00:44:38,359 --> 00:44:39,665
What are you doing, Nurse...
833
00:44:42,233 --> 00:44:45,734
It turns out that the mortician
has been behind
834
00:44:45,758 --> 00:44:50,043
killing the townspeople
and reanimating them,
835
00:44:50,067 --> 00:44:53,481
basically creating an army
of undead puppets.
836
00:44:53,505 --> 00:44:56,223
Stan Winston did the makeup
on that film.
837
00:44:56,247 --> 00:44:57,746
And there was a lot of us.
838
00:44:57,770 --> 00:45:00,227
He had to make a lot of people
the undead.
839
00:45:00,251 --> 00:45:04,405
Stan... not yet the legend
he would become, but a player.
840
00:45:04,429 --> 00:45:09,627
Stan was beginning to push
more into puppetry
841
00:45:09,651 --> 00:45:12,152
with some of the effects
he created for that film.
842
00:45:12,176 --> 00:45:13,849
There are two
that stand out to me
843
00:45:13,873 --> 00:45:16,025
as being the most
"Oh, that's cool."
844
00:45:16,049 --> 00:45:19,202
One is the burn victim.
845
00:45:19,226 --> 00:45:21,944
He created
this shoulders-up puppet
846
00:45:21,968 --> 00:45:24,512
of this terribly burned
character,
847
00:45:24,536 --> 00:45:26,993
where you're seeing the muscles
and the ligaments.
848
00:45:27,017 --> 00:45:31,040
It was a hand puppet,
and it was highly effective.
849
00:45:31,064 --> 00:45:34,043
And I remember seeing that
come together in his shop
850
00:45:34,067 --> 00:45:36,635
and thinking that was the
grossest thing he'd ever made.
851
00:45:39,725 --> 00:45:41,398
Another sequence
that really works
852
00:45:41,422 --> 00:45:44,184
is when the evil mortician
is reconstructing
853
00:45:44,208 --> 00:45:46,316
this hitchhiker,
played by Lisa Marie.
854
00:45:46,340 --> 00:45:49,406
And she starts out
horribly injured and disfigured.
855
00:45:49,430 --> 00:45:51,669
It's a dummy,
a re-creation of the actress.
856
00:45:51,693 --> 00:45:55,499
I will make you beautiful
again...
857
00:45:55,523 --> 00:45:58,285
even more beautiful than before.
858
00:45:58,309 --> 00:46:00,504
Using a series of wipes
and dissolves,
859
00:46:00,528 --> 00:46:04,030
you slowly see her being
reconstructed by the mortician
860
00:46:04,054 --> 00:46:07,294
until she's finally back,
intact and pretty, and sits up.
861
00:46:07,318 --> 00:46:08,904
And there she is.
862
00:46:08,928 --> 00:46:12,821
And she's actually undead,
but she looks pretty hot.
863
00:46:12,845 --> 00:46:16,693
I also remember being freaked
out by the burn-victim character
864
00:46:16,717 --> 00:46:18,826
who's completely covered
in gauze...
865
00:46:18,850 --> 00:46:20,915
All you see is one eye
and his mouth...
866
00:46:20,939 --> 00:46:24,092
And this nurse just plunges
a needle right in his eyeball.
867
00:46:24,116 --> 00:46:26,510
And that was just... aah!
A cringe moment.
868
00:46:28,903 --> 00:46:33,101
For me, Lisa was the first
sort of nurse angel of death.
869
00:46:33,125 --> 00:46:38,237
Embodies that cold, hard,
blond sexuality
870
00:46:38,261 --> 00:46:41,718
that Hitchcock
was so intrigued by.
871
00:46:41,742 --> 00:46:43,285
"We're dead,
but we're not buried!"
872
00:46:43,309 --> 00:46:44,504
Smile.
873
00:46:44,528 --> 00:46:46,704
Woman:
Oh! No!
874
00:46:56,888 --> 00:46:59,301
Announcer: "Nightmare."
875
00:46:59,325 --> 00:47:01,390
"Nightmare" is a movie told
876
00:47:01,414 --> 00:47:03,566
from the point of view
of a serial killer
877
00:47:03,590 --> 00:47:06,004
who goes up and down the
East Coast of the United States.
878
00:47:06,028 --> 00:47:07,962
And when I say told
from his point of view,
879
00:47:07,986 --> 00:47:09,790
I mean told
with a point-of-view camera...
880
00:47:09,814 --> 00:47:13,663
"You are the killer!"...
As he wreaks mayhem
881
00:47:13,687 --> 00:47:16,516
all up and down the East Coast
of the United States.
882
00:47:18,605 --> 00:47:20,540
People hated the film.
883
00:47:20,564 --> 00:47:25,806
People pelted the screen
in Times Square with objects.
884
00:47:25,830 --> 00:47:27,068
People walked out.
885
00:47:27,092 --> 00:47:28,702
People demanded
their money back.
886
00:47:31,009 --> 00:47:35,076
The eternal principles
of a good cinematic story
887
00:47:35,100 --> 00:47:37,296
still must be observed,
888
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:42,953
and there must be a sympathetic
protagonist in your story.
889
00:47:42,977 --> 00:47:45,869
Otherwise, the audience
will turn against you.
890
00:47:45,893 --> 00:47:49,525
There's a myth,
and we should destroy this myth,
891
00:47:49,549 --> 00:47:53,573
because censors use it
to censor movies.
892
00:47:53,597 --> 00:47:56,663
And the myth is that all we want
to see is blood and gore.
893
00:47:56,687 --> 00:47:58,404
That's not true.
894
00:47:58,428 --> 00:48:00,232
If you look at the movies
made in the '80s
895
00:48:00,256 --> 00:48:02,886
made by clueless idiots
who thought
896
00:48:02,910 --> 00:48:06,760
that that was the secret
to making a great horror movie,
897
00:48:06,784 --> 00:48:08,849
you end up with films
like "Nightmare."
898
00:48:08,873 --> 00:48:11,112
Man: No!
899
00:48:11,136 --> 00:48:14,313
Oh, my God!
900
00:48:21,668 --> 00:48:25,213
Announcer: Be sure to see it
before sunrise.
901
00:48:25,237 --> 00:48:27,520
"Saturday the 14th"!
902
00:48:27,544 --> 00:48:31,523
Every time I think of
"Saturday the 14th,"
903
00:48:31,547 --> 00:48:37,790
I think of sitting at my mom's
old apartment and watching HBO.
904
00:48:37,814 --> 00:48:42,229
There was, like, this handful
of fairly risqué movies
905
00:48:42,253 --> 00:48:44,144
with weird content,
906
00:48:44,168 --> 00:48:46,668
but they would just show them
during the day
907
00:48:46,692 --> 00:48:50,063
for any 8-to 10-year-old
to kind of catch up on.
908
00:48:50,087 --> 00:48:54,023
You've got Jeffrey Tambor
as Dracula-ish...
909
00:48:54,047 --> 00:48:55,938
A Dracula-type person.
910
00:48:55,962 --> 00:49:01,161
Well, if you don't trust me
after 311 years of marriage...
911
00:49:01,185 --> 00:49:03,381
Three hundred and twelve.
912
00:49:03,405 --> 00:49:05,078
You've got Richard Benjamin
running around,
913
00:49:05,102 --> 00:49:07,080
basically tormenting his family.
914
00:49:07,104 --> 00:49:11,040
Take this coffee.
I can't stand the sight of it.
915
00:49:11,064 --> 00:49:14,720
But just remember how goofy
that movie was.
916
00:49:17,245 --> 00:49:20,702
And then the guy who played
the Van Helsing-type character
917
00:49:20,726 --> 00:49:22,922
was so sketch,
918
00:49:22,946 --> 00:49:26,578
and he scared me
more than the monsters did.
919
00:49:26,602 --> 00:49:28,710
If someone should open
that book,
920
00:49:28,734 --> 00:49:31,974
his soul would be doomed to
eternal hellfire and damnation!
921
00:49:31,998 --> 00:49:33,585
Damned.
922
00:49:33,609 --> 00:49:36,631
So many weird things were okay
back then, man.
923
00:49:36,655 --> 00:49:38,851
The bathtub moment, to me,
924
00:49:38,875 --> 00:49:41,549
reminds me of the Freddy moment,
when the glove comes up.
925
00:49:41,573 --> 00:49:46,380
But this, being before that,
was like the "Jaws" take.
926
00:49:46,404 --> 00:49:48,058
So who influenced who?
927
00:49:53,933 --> 00:49:56,173
But then you see the
teenage daughter running around
928
00:49:56,197 --> 00:49:59,025
being chased by, you know,
the fish man, you know?
929
00:49:59,939 --> 00:50:01,700
What the... Jesus Christ.
930
00:50:01,724 --> 00:50:03,963
Hashtag MeToo Fish, you know?
931
00:50:03,987 --> 00:50:07,096
I mean, this is a kids' movie.
What the hell's going on?
932
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:08,576
You're watching it as a kid.
933
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:10,994
You don't realize
the dark undertone of it.
934
00:50:13,997 --> 00:50:17,585
Will I show that to my kids?
No, I will not be showing it.
935
00:50:17,609 --> 00:50:19,718
Do you see a monster
in this room?
936
00:50:19,742 --> 00:50:21,502
I can't believe
that I'm standing here
937
00:50:21,526 --> 00:50:23,983
in the middle of the night
arguing with a 10-year-old kid
938
00:50:24,007 --> 00:50:25,748
about the existence of monsters.
939
00:50:31,841 --> 00:50:35,951
As an actor, I get to bring
a little joy into someone's life
940
00:50:35,975 --> 00:50:39,477
every time I get...
No matter what the genre is...
941
00:50:39,501 --> 00:50:41,522
Every time I have an opportunity
to work.
942
00:50:41,546 --> 00:50:45,395
It's a great charge, you know,
to do the best I can
943
00:50:45,419 --> 00:50:48,876
because, you know,
somebody's going to enjoy this.
944
00:50:48,900 --> 00:50:51,139
They're killing
everybody. I got to find her.
945
00:50:51,163 --> 00:50:52,750
Wait a minute, man.
Are you crazy?
946
00:50:52,774 --> 00:50:54,708
I got to see
if she's all right. Just stand back!
947
00:50:54,732 --> 00:50:56,406
There's nothing you can do
out there!
948
00:50:56,430 --> 00:50:58,364
I didn't think I was going to be
an actress.
949
00:50:58,388 --> 00:51:00,279
Actually, I wanted to be
an archaeologist.
950
00:51:00,303 --> 00:51:02,934
I always thought that would be
an interesting thing to be.
951
00:51:02,958 --> 00:51:04,718
So I went to Carnegie Mellon,
952
00:51:04,742 --> 00:51:06,851
which is a really good theater
school here in Pittsburgh.
953
00:51:06,875 --> 00:51:08,809
There's different techniques
that we were trained,
954
00:51:08,833 --> 00:51:11,769
but one of them
was the whole Method movement
955
00:51:11,793 --> 00:51:15,120
of bringing, you know,
your experiences to the moment.
956
00:51:15,144 --> 00:51:16,817
And I remember using it
957
00:51:16,841 --> 00:51:21,126
especially after Sarah
cuts off Miguel's arm.
958
00:51:21,150 --> 00:51:25,739
She has a moment
where she just... has had it.
959
00:51:25,763 --> 00:51:28,046
She actually breaks down,
960
00:51:28,070 --> 00:51:30,135
which, to me, was like the arc
of the character.
961
00:51:30,159 --> 00:51:32,529
She's actually very strong
in that moment
962
00:51:32,553 --> 00:51:35,077
because she was able to be
very real in that moment.
963
00:51:40,648 --> 00:51:45,106
Working that with myself and
my thoughts and my technique.
964
00:51:45,130 --> 00:51:48,109
Acting is the art of not acting,
right?
965
00:51:48,133 --> 00:51:49,918
Acting is being.
966
00:51:50,875 --> 00:51:52,940
Acting class 101, right?
967
00:51:52,964 --> 00:51:56,030
Before I made any movies,
I was a stage actor.
968
00:51:56,054 --> 00:51:59,643
I was King Arthur.
I was Ben Franklin.
969
00:51:59,667 --> 00:52:01,035
When I did effects on a film,
970
00:52:01,059 --> 00:52:02,950
I always tried to play
a part of it...
971
00:52:02,974 --> 00:52:04,517
You know, some little part.
972
00:52:04,541 --> 00:52:06,302
And that just led to more
and more parts
973
00:52:06,326 --> 00:52:08,695
and then, suddenly,
with George Romero, just parts.
974
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:11,243
Don't forget.
Some of us are wearing tinfoil.
975
00:52:12,332 --> 00:52:14,005
That's your problem.
976
00:52:14,029 --> 00:52:15,789
I really wanted to be,
you know, an actor.
977
00:52:15,813 --> 00:52:18,120
Makeup effects was kind of
what got me in the door.
978
00:52:19,948 --> 00:52:22,361
You get in the door
so you can prove yourself,
979
00:52:22,385 --> 00:52:24,624
let people know who you are,
you know?
980
00:52:24,648 --> 00:52:27,521
And who knows
where that could lead?
981
00:52:32,743 --> 00:52:34,634
I used to want to be a minister.
982
00:52:34,658 --> 00:52:36,549
Well, the acting is my ministry.
983
00:52:36,573 --> 00:52:39,097
You know, that's how I get to...
984
00:52:40,447 --> 00:52:44,252
you know, how my soul
gets to speak to your soul
985
00:52:44,276 --> 00:52:46,559
about our commonality,
986
00:52:46,583 --> 00:52:51,390
above the oneness that we share
as human beings.
987
00:52:51,414 --> 00:52:53,436
You rarely thought about it
in the '80s.
988
00:52:53,460 --> 00:52:55,612
There was no, really,
Asian representation.
989
00:52:55,636 --> 00:52:57,353
We were all
kind of stereotypical,
990
00:52:57,377 --> 00:53:00,616
and it was a difficult time.
991
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:02,444
It also made me feel like, "Hmm.
992
00:53:02,468 --> 00:53:04,663
Maybe I should do
something else."
993
00:53:04,687 --> 00:53:06,839
I kept at it
only because of the theater.
994
00:53:06,863 --> 00:53:10,582
Something like Kelly Hu
in "Jason Takes Manhattan."
995
00:53:10,606 --> 00:53:13,455
That was pretty extraordinary,
where she didn't have an accent.
996
00:53:13,479 --> 00:53:15,674
Look.
I think I'll pass, okay?
997
00:53:15,698 --> 00:53:17,720
What?
I'll see you later.
998
00:53:17,744 --> 00:53:21,095
My first movie movie
was "Sixteen Candles."
999
00:53:22,879 --> 00:53:25,641
What's happenin', hot stuff?
1000
00:53:25,665 --> 00:53:27,556
The controversy was good,
1001
00:53:27,580 --> 00:53:31,473
because I also think that it
started to change things
1002
00:53:31,497 --> 00:53:33,170
and make people aware.
1003
00:53:33,194 --> 00:53:35,651
If anything,
it made the Asian community
1004
00:53:35,675 --> 00:53:38,436
come out
and try to express themselves
1005
00:53:38,460 --> 00:53:40,830
about why they disagreed
with this character.
1006
00:53:40,854 --> 00:53:43,354
And what they failed to do,
I thought,
1007
00:53:43,378 --> 00:53:45,138
was we weren't coalesced
together
1008
00:53:45,162 --> 00:53:48,141
to try to figure out what to do
about it, unlike today.
1009
00:53:48,165 --> 00:53:49,621
It's much better today.
1010
00:53:49,645 --> 00:53:52,450
I've never been so happy
in my whole life
1011
00:53:52,474 --> 00:53:54,278
You maniac.
1012
00:53:54,302 --> 00:53:58,195
There was no ethnicity mentioned
in "Vamp."
1013
00:53:58,219 --> 00:53:59,805
So I thought
that was kind of cool.
1014
00:53:59,829 --> 00:54:01,851
I thought that was a good step.
1015
00:54:01,875 --> 00:54:04,941
What time do you get off? Two-thirty.
1016
00:54:04,965 --> 00:54:07,422
Can I watch?
1017
00:54:07,446 --> 00:54:11,556
The better your actors are,
the better shape you're in.
1018
00:54:11,580 --> 00:54:16,387
Hire people that bring
a certain kind of credibility
1019
00:54:16,411 --> 00:54:18,911
and naturalness
to the performance.
1020
00:54:18,935 --> 00:54:22,175
And then at least
you're a step ahead.
1021
00:54:22,199 --> 00:54:23,873
Give me a script,
1022
00:54:23,897 --> 00:54:26,484
let me break this character
down, make some choices,
1023
00:54:26,508 --> 00:54:29,400
and hopefully I buoy
what you're doing here.
1024
00:54:29,424 --> 00:54:32,795
Hopefully, I kind of put
some wind and some sails here.
1025
00:54:32,819 --> 00:54:33,907
He's dead?
1026
00:54:36,213 --> 00:54:37,713
Not anymore.
1027
00:54:37,737 --> 00:54:39,410
It's what I'm in control of.
1028
00:54:39,434 --> 00:54:42,326
If somebody offered me a job,
and I liked the script
1029
00:54:42,350 --> 00:54:44,633
and the story and the character,
I'm in.
1030
00:54:44,657 --> 00:54:46,156
I'm all in.
1031
00:54:46,180 --> 00:54:49,812
And that's how I started doing
horror movies.
1032
00:54:49,836 --> 00:54:52,858
John invited me to be
in "The Fog," and we were off.
1033
00:54:52,882 --> 00:54:57,167
I don't believe in luck,
good or bad.
1034
00:54:57,191 --> 00:54:58,995
Allen:
I hated acting class.
1035
00:54:59,019 --> 00:55:01,476
It just was torture for me.
1036
00:55:01,500 --> 00:55:05,088
But, you know,
you have to get some tools.
1037
00:55:05,112 --> 00:55:06,959
A director told me once,
1038
00:55:06,983 --> 00:55:10,746
"The best thing an actor can do
is give me choices."
1039
00:55:10,770 --> 00:55:13,357
Trusting my instincts
when I read something
1040
00:55:13,381 --> 00:55:16,359
and trusting my instincts
about a character
1041
00:55:16,383 --> 00:55:18,840
generally ends up being
the right way to go.
1042
00:55:18,864 --> 00:55:20,363
I've studied
a lot of different styles.
1043
00:55:20,387 --> 00:55:21,756
I've worked
with different coaches.
1044
00:55:21,780 --> 00:55:24,193
So I've used some stuff
from the Method.
1045
00:55:24,217 --> 00:55:26,717
I've used the old James Cagney
1046
00:55:26,741 --> 00:55:29,938
"Plant your feet in the ground
and tell the truth" method.
1047
00:55:29,962 --> 00:55:33,985
The funny thing about it is that
if something is written well,
1048
00:55:34,009 --> 00:55:35,813
you don't have to do
a lot of work with it.
1049
00:55:35,837 --> 00:55:37,380
That's what I always
want to know...
1050
00:55:37,404 --> 00:55:39,600
"Let me see the script.
Let's see how it is."
1051
00:55:39,624 --> 00:55:41,950
And if you have trouble
getting lines out, it's like,
1052
00:55:41,974 --> 00:55:43,604
it's not written well.
1053
00:55:43,628 --> 00:55:46,650
That's the problem.
And I used to think it was me.
1054
00:55:46,674 --> 00:55:48,086
Come on, you little bastard!
1055
00:55:48,110 --> 00:55:49,871
Maroney:
What we had back then
1056
00:55:49,895 --> 00:55:51,568
was people who were learning
their craft.
1057
00:55:51,592 --> 00:55:54,397
But now we have people that are,
yes, learning their craft,
1058
00:55:54,421 --> 00:55:56,225
but also passionate
about the genre
1059
00:55:56,249 --> 00:55:58,575
and purposefully going into it.
1060
00:55:58,599 --> 00:56:01,012
I mean, you'll talk to people
in the '80s,
1061
00:56:01,036 --> 00:56:03,885
and they'll say, "You know,
that's just what I got."
1062
00:56:03,909 --> 00:56:06,496
But now these people
are coming up
1063
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:09,325
very focused on doing horror
because they love horror
1064
00:56:09,349 --> 00:56:12,502
and that's what they intend
to do.
1065
00:56:12,526 --> 00:56:17,725
You have to be as honest as you
can be with your character
1066
00:56:17,749 --> 00:56:21,555
and your story and your...
The truth of what you're saying.
1067
00:56:21,579 --> 00:56:25,297
It's up to them to make it scary
for the audience.
1068
00:56:25,321 --> 00:56:30,433
And my job is just to tell
the truth.
1069
00:56:30,457 --> 00:56:32,043
The shit is getting old
real fast.
1070
00:56:32,067 --> 00:56:34,306
You know, I was awakened
out of a real pleasant dream
1071
00:56:34,330 --> 00:56:35,656
to come down here.
1072
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:37,135
Are you gonna straighten it out,
Raimi,
1073
00:56:37,159 --> 00:56:38,833
or am I gonna play poo patrol
with your nightstick?
1074
00:56:38,857 --> 00:56:41,444
I received a thoroughgoing
1075
00:56:41,468 --> 00:56:44,795
acting-for-the-camera education
from Dennis Hopper.
1076
00:56:44,819 --> 00:56:46,623
That was an experience
not to be missed.
1077
00:56:46,647 --> 00:56:49,191
And as time goes on,
I cherish it more,
1078
00:56:49,215 --> 00:56:51,889
I appreciate it more,
and I apply it more.
1079
00:56:51,913 --> 00:56:54,109
Dennis encouraged me
to look through the lens.
1080
00:56:54,133 --> 00:56:55,937
"This is what it looks like.
1081
00:56:55,961 --> 00:56:57,808
This is where your light is.
1082
00:56:57,832 --> 00:56:59,941
This is the side
that's best for you.
1083
00:56:59,965 --> 00:57:02,073
When you deliver that line,
do this.
1084
00:57:02,097 --> 00:57:05,511
Make that gesture.
It's a visual medium."
1085
00:57:05,535 --> 00:57:07,252
You said you were gonna do this
alone.
1086
00:57:07,276 --> 00:57:10,647
I need your help, Missy.
1087
00:57:10,671 --> 00:57:12,344
That was a takeaway
1088
00:57:12,368 --> 00:57:15,609
that continues to provide
extraordinary benefits for me.
1089
00:57:15,633 --> 00:57:19,613
When I hear "cut," I'm Doug.
1090
00:57:19,637 --> 00:57:23,138
I'm Doug in a skirt and a very
constricting leather jacket
1091
00:57:23,162 --> 00:57:25,096
with my face covered in leather
and pins,
1092
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:26,532
but I'm Doug.
1093
00:57:26,556 --> 00:57:30,100
I don't carry the character
through the day,
1094
00:57:30,124 --> 00:57:32,407
and I don't take him home
with me.
1095
00:57:32,431 --> 00:57:35,802
Before I ever started thinking
about doing crazy stuff,
1096
00:57:35,826 --> 00:57:39,109
I was very interested
in map making.
1097
00:57:39,133 --> 00:57:44,375
I've been playing
the bad characters for so long
1098
00:57:44,399 --> 00:57:49,163
but always knew that I had
other things I could do.
1099
00:57:49,187 --> 00:57:52,166
So Charlie's Farm, huh?
Somebody's feelin' brave.
1100
00:57:52,190 --> 00:57:56,760
It's important as an actor
to show versatility, right?
1101
00:57:57,891 --> 00:58:00,174
I'm cuttin' over to Pinewood
to pick up Barnes.
1102
00:58:00,198 --> 00:58:04,419
Not only have I done
some emotional stuff...
1103
00:58:09,468 --> 00:58:12,752
but also recently,
in the past couple years,
1104
00:58:12,776 --> 00:58:14,667
done some comedy.
1105
00:58:14,691 --> 00:58:17,452
I never thought somebody
would be interested
1106
00:58:17,476 --> 00:58:19,652
in me trying to be funny.
1107
00:58:25,005 --> 00:58:27,897
As an actor, you have
your facial expressions
1108
00:58:27,921 --> 00:58:32,728
and your voice
to add to your performance.
1109
00:58:32,752 --> 00:58:34,295
It's, like, way easier.
1110
00:58:34,319 --> 00:58:36,776
When you have to look scary
and intimidating
1111
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:39,866
without either one
of those two things,
1112
00:58:39,890 --> 00:58:42,564
with a hockey mask on...
Way harder.
1113
00:58:42,588 --> 00:58:45,088
And that's why everybody
overacts.
1114
00:58:45,112 --> 00:58:48,135
People, they think,
"Oh, I can do that.
1115
00:58:48,159 --> 00:58:51,442
You don't even have to show
your face or say anything."
1116
00:58:51,466 --> 00:58:53,270
You know what?
You can’t do it.
1117
00:58:53,294 --> 00:58:54,750
You think you can,
1118
00:58:54,774 --> 00:58:57,971
but you try too hard,
and then it looks phony.
1119
00:58:57,995 --> 00:59:00,495
I've worked pretty consistently
in the '80s.
1120
00:59:00,519 --> 00:59:04,760
I did a lot of soap-opera work
and a lot of horror movies.
1121
00:59:04,784 --> 00:59:09,112
And at the time that I did
"Castle Freak,"
1122
00:59:09,136 --> 00:59:12,420
which was in 1995,
I felt like for the first time
1123
00:59:12,444 --> 00:59:15,075
I really understood
what I was doing.
1124
00:59:15,099 --> 00:59:17,251
I got it.
I know how to act on film.
1125
00:59:17,275 --> 00:59:18,556
I know what I'm doing.
1126
00:59:18,580 --> 00:59:21,385
So I was about 35.
1127
00:59:21,409 --> 00:59:25,346
And then, all of a sudden,
people stopped calling me.
1128
00:59:25,370 --> 00:59:27,217
I wasn't working.
1129
00:59:27,241 --> 00:59:31,265
And at that time, I feel like
I had aged out a little bit.
1130
00:59:31,289 --> 00:59:34,398
I just wasn't getting any calls.
1131
00:59:34,422 --> 00:59:36,183
And I was mad.
1132
00:59:36,207 --> 00:59:39,621
At the time, I thought,
"Well, I'll go back to school.
1133
00:59:39,645 --> 00:59:42,842
I'll get a degree in gardening."
I loved gardening.
1134
00:59:42,866 --> 00:59:45,018
And then I met my husband, Bob.
1135
00:59:45,042 --> 00:59:47,497
And he said, "Well,
1136
00:59:47,521 --> 00:59:49,935
I have to move up
to San Francisco for my job.
1137
00:59:49,959 --> 00:59:51,501
Do you want to come with me?"
1138
00:59:51,525 --> 00:59:54,983
And I thought, "Yeah.
F Hollywood.
1139
00:59:55,007 --> 00:59:57,159
I'm just gonna go
and do something else!"
1140
00:59:57,183 --> 01:00:00,206
And then I became a mom,
and I was busy with that.
1141
01:00:00,230 --> 01:00:02,861
I took a break
because I aged out a little bit,
1142
01:00:02,885 --> 01:00:05,777
but now, thank God,
I'm playing these older women
1143
01:00:05,801 --> 01:00:12,261
and moms and mentors
and evil people and caretakers.
1144
01:00:12,285 --> 01:00:14,960
I'm glad that the producers
from "You're Next"
1145
01:00:14,984 --> 01:00:16,788
took a chance on me and said,
"Yeah.
1146
01:00:16,812 --> 01:00:18,615
We want to see Barbara Crampton
again.
1147
01:00:18,639 --> 01:00:20,443
We want to see her,"
1148
01:00:20,467 --> 01:00:25,298
because I'm having a lot of fun
working again.
1149
01:00:37,658 --> 01:00:39,811
Announcer: "The Beast Within."
1150
01:00:39,835 --> 01:00:42,552
Even you may not survive.
1151
01:00:42,576 --> 01:00:45,120
You have been warned.
1152
01:00:45,144 --> 01:00:46,687
"The Beast Within"
is another one
1153
01:00:46,711 --> 01:00:48,341
of these low-budget '80s movies
1154
01:00:48,365 --> 01:00:51,474
that is super rapey
at the crux of it.
1155
01:00:51,498 --> 01:00:53,302
You've got character actors
in there
1156
01:00:53,326 --> 01:00:55,304
who have been
in Oscar-nominated films.
1157
01:00:55,328 --> 01:00:58,220
You've got Ronny Cox in there.
You've got Bibi Besch in there.
1158
01:00:58,244 --> 01:01:00,179
It's a pretty trashy movie
1159
01:01:00,203 --> 01:01:02,007
for the caliber of actors
that are in it.
1160
01:01:02,031 --> 01:01:03,965
R.G. Armstrong... no slouch.
1161
01:01:03,989 --> 01:01:05,445
Really qualified
character actor.
1162
01:01:05,469 --> 01:01:07,490
Lord save us.
1163
01:01:07,514 --> 01:01:08,883
He's been embalmed...
1164
01:01:08,907 --> 01:01:10,798
alive.
1165
01:01:10,822 --> 01:01:12,495
Bladder effects
are front and center
1166
01:01:12,519 --> 01:01:14,497
in the '80s horror movies
in the transformation scenes.
1167
01:01:14,521 --> 01:01:16,021
You see them in "The Howling,"
1168
01:01:16,045 --> 01:01:17,718
and you see it in
"American Werewolf in London."
1169
01:01:17,742 --> 01:01:19,807
Anytime something's changing,
that's a bladder effect.
1170
01:01:19,831 --> 01:01:21,548
And "Beast Within"
is like a script
1171
01:01:21,572 --> 01:01:23,028
written around a bladder effect.
1172
01:01:23,052 --> 01:01:25,639
Holland: "Beast Within."
1173
01:01:25,663 --> 01:01:28,511
Philippe Mora,
whom I dearly love, directed it.
1174
01:01:28,535 --> 01:01:30,687
All they had at the time
were bladder effects,
1175
01:01:30,711 --> 01:01:32,385
so all you could do
was blow up...
1176
01:01:32,409 --> 01:01:35,518
You know, under the latex,
the skin.
1177
01:01:35,542 --> 01:01:38,304
"The Beast Within"
is a very comical version of it.
1178
01:01:38,328 --> 01:01:40,697
Tom Burman did the effects,
and I love Tom.
1179
01:01:40,721 --> 01:01:44,397
He's got an excuse
for that transformation scene.
1180
01:01:44,421 --> 01:01:48,270
"The Beast Within" is the nadir
of bladder effects
1181
01:01:48,294 --> 01:01:52,622
in which the lead monster's head
explodes to a point
1182
01:01:52,646 --> 01:01:54,668
where he looks like
Charlie Brown.
1183
01:01:54,692 --> 01:01:56,496
Johnson: And it just goes
and goes and goes
1184
01:01:56,520 --> 01:01:59,064
and goes and goes and goes and
goes, and it's so silly-looking.
1185
01:01:59,088 --> 01:02:02,457
Tom says, in his own defense,
1186
01:02:02,481 --> 01:02:04,677
they had already gotten the
scenes for the transformation
1187
01:02:04,701 --> 01:02:06,548
that he felt were good
and then they said,
1188
01:02:06,572 --> 01:02:08,463
"Let's just have fun
and let's just pop it.
1189
01:02:08,487 --> 01:02:10,291
Let's just film it
until it won't go anymore."
1190
01:02:10,315 --> 01:02:12,772
And the director used that.
1191
01:02:12,796 --> 01:02:15,340
A friend of mine who said,
"Testing something's limits
1192
01:02:15,364 --> 01:02:17,081
usually results
in finding them."
1193
01:02:17,105 --> 01:02:19,170
Bladder effects can be awesome,
1194
01:02:19,194 --> 01:02:20,736
and sometimes they can be
"The Beast Within."
1195
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:22,153
Oh, my God.
1196
01:02:36,515 --> 01:02:38,754
Announcer:
"Evilspeak."
1197
01:02:38,778 --> 01:02:40,887
"Evilspeak" is a movie
that's starring
1198
01:02:40,911 --> 01:02:45,109
the outstanding Clint Howard,
Ron Howard's brother.
1199
01:02:45,133 --> 01:02:49,156
And he is a guy who's bullied
at school
1200
01:02:49,180 --> 01:02:51,158
and figures out the perfect way
to get revenge.
1201
01:02:51,182 --> 01:02:54,727
He uses his computer
to summon the devil.
1202
01:02:54,751 --> 01:02:57,145
I conjure and command thee,
prince of darkness!
1203
01:02:59,103 --> 01:03:01,603
This is one of those magical
movies from the early '80s
1204
01:03:01,627 --> 01:03:04,171
where they were
trying to capitalize
1205
01:03:04,195 --> 01:03:07,305
on the explosion of computers.
1206
01:03:07,329 --> 01:03:09,698
"Well, what can we do
to put computers into movies?"
1207
01:03:09,722 --> 01:03:11,309
And especially
into horror movies.
1208
01:03:11,333 --> 01:03:13,528
"I got it.
1209
01:03:13,552 --> 01:03:15,617
Let's have a kid who can summon
the devil with the computer."
1210
01:03:15,641 --> 01:03:16,991
Satan!
1211
01:03:19,819 --> 01:03:22,039
Even though there are kids
being killed,
1212
01:03:27,392 --> 01:03:30,458
you side with the killer
1213
01:03:30,482 --> 01:03:32,895
because he's a guy
who has been bullied
1214
01:03:32,919 --> 01:03:35,028
and he's really just out
getting revenge
1215
01:03:35,052 --> 01:03:37,837
for all the stuff
that people have done to him.
1216
01:03:43,278 --> 01:03:46,170
Makes you wish we all had
a Commodore 64 for revenge,
1217
01:03:46,194 --> 01:03:47,238
doesn't it?
1218
01:03:58,119 --> 01:04:00,706
Announcer:
"The Slumber Party Massacre."
1219
01:04:00,730 --> 01:04:05,711
Close your eyes for a second
and sleep... forever.
1220
01:04:05,735 --> 01:04:08,975
The story revolves around
a slumber party
1221
01:04:08,999 --> 01:04:10,827
and a driller killer...
1222
01:04:15,092 --> 01:04:18,244
coming to kill
said slumber party,
1223
01:04:18,268 --> 01:04:22,011
hence the "massacre"
in the title.
1224
01:04:23,317 --> 01:04:25,338
The thing that people forget
about this movie
1225
01:04:25,362 --> 01:04:27,103
is how funny it is.
1226
01:04:28,322 --> 01:04:29,758
[]
1227
01:04:33,370 --> 01:04:38,743
It was originally written
as a spoof lampooning the genre,
1228
01:04:38,767 --> 01:04:41,833
but I don't think the people
who bought the script
1229
01:04:41,857 --> 01:04:44,923
really had any sense of irony,
'cause they mainlined it
1230
01:04:44,947 --> 01:04:49,536
and basically made it
this fairly ingenious movie.
1231
01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:51,495
No!
1232
01:04:51,519 --> 01:04:54,498
I love the dynamic
between the girls.
1233
01:04:54,522 --> 01:04:55,697
Oh.
1234
01:04:56,741 --> 01:04:58,371
Even in the beginning,
1235
01:04:58,395 --> 01:05:00,721
when, like, they don't realize
anything's going on,
1236
01:05:00,745 --> 01:05:02,834
but people around them
are just dying.
1237
01:05:06,273 --> 01:05:11,776
He's just kind of this weird,
standard, J-11 killer,
1238
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:13,343
you know, just running around
1239
01:05:13,367 --> 01:05:15,649
with this incredibly
impressive drill.
1240
01:05:15,673 --> 01:05:20,089
Chock full of
really benign monotony...
1241
01:05:20,113 --> 01:05:22,482
What do you say
we order a pizza? Girl: No anchovies.
1242
01:05:22,506 --> 01:05:27,990
Punctuated by savage,
masculine kills.
1243
01:05:31,602 --> 01:05:35,234
It's really a dissertation
on the fact
1244
01:05:35,258 --> 01:05:41,240
that any male serial killer
is just basically using his...
1245
01:05:41,264 --> 01:05:42,309
you know.
1246
01:05:44,746 --> 01:05:45,897
How pretty.
1247
01:05:45,921 --> 01:05:47,681
The symbolism in the movie
1248
01:05:47,705 --> 01:05:50,945
when they basically chop
that off and go after him...
1249
01:05:50,969 --> 01:05:55,167
I mean, it makes "Death Ride"
look like a cakewalk.
1250
01:05:55,191 --> 01:05:57,367
It's pretty funny.
1251
01:06:07,247 --> 01:06:10,922
Announcer: "Alone in the Dark,"
from New Line Cinema.
1252
01:06:10,946 --> 01:06:12,576
Nobile:
I love "Alone in the Dark."
1253
01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:14,795
It's a weird little
"What if" movie.
1254
01:06:14,819 --> 01:06:16,275
If we didn't fall into
1255
01:06:16,299 --> 01:06:18,799
the slasher-summer-camp thing
in the '80s,
1256
01:06:18,823 --> 01:06:21,106
and something like "Alone in
the Dark" had a chance to shine,
1257
01:06:21,130 --> 01:06:23,543
where you're using A-list actors
1258
01:06:23,567 --> 01:06:25,830
in, like, a weird
home-invasion plot...
1259
01:06:29,965 --> 01:06:33,596
Jack Palance is amazing in it.
Martin Landau is amazing in it.
1260
01:06:33,620 --> 01:06:35,056
Here's Donald Pleasence.
1261
01:06:36,927 --> 01:06:38,688
"Alone in the Dark" 's poster
1262
01:06:38,712 --> 01:06:40,690
makes you think you're going
to see another slasher movie
1263
01:06:40,714 --> 01:06:43,083
and not a bananas
home-invasion movie
1264
01:06:43,107 --> 01:06:45,260
by a group
of escaped mental patients
1265
01:06:45,284 --> 01:06:48,785
that are all middle-
to late-aged white men
1266
01:06:48,809 --> 01:06:51,246
played by some of the best
actors of their generation.
1267
01:06:52,552 --> 01:06:54,031
What are you,
some kind of asshole?
1268
01:06:57,948 --> 01:06:59,926
That opening has no reason
to be in the film.
1269
01:06:59,950 --> 01:07:01,276
It's just a crazy,
1270
01:07:01,300 --> 01:07:02,886
grab-you-by-the-lapels
dream sequence
1271
01:07:02,910 --> 01:07:05,086
that goes berserk
right out of the gate.
1272
01:07:08,045 --> 01:07:10,372
I think it's interesting
that "Alone in the Dark"
1273
01:07:10,396 --> 01:07:12,722
is made by New Line and it's got
a very "Elm Street" opening
1274
01:07:12,746 --> 01:07:14,332
two years before "Elm Street"
happened.
1275
01:07:14,356 --> 01:07:15,812
And then Jack Sholder,
1276
01:07:15,836 --> 01:07:18,380
who directed it,
ended up doing "Elm Street 2."
1277
01:07:18,404 --> 01:07:20,425
I really wish that there was
more of that flavor
1278
01:07:20,449 --> 01:07:22,340
in the '80s horror.
1279
01:07:22,364 --> 01:07:24,081
"Alone in the Dark"
is a weird little movie
1280
01:07:24,105 --> 01:07:25,517
that's kind of its own thing.
1281
01:07:25,541 --> 01:07:30,154
"'Vengeance is mine, '
sayeth the Lord."
1282
01:07:39,860 --> 01:07:41,316
Announcer:
"Nightbeast."
1283
01:07:41,340 --> 01:07:44,430
Terror from beyond.
1284
01:07:45,518 --> 01:07:48,540
"Nightbeast."
Oh, boy.
1285
01:07:48,564 --> 01:07:50,542
"Nightbeast" is a gem
right here.
1286
01:07:50,566 --> 01:07:52,544
I mean, it's a low-budget film,
1287
01:07:52,568 --> 01:07:55,005
but it did an incredible job
on the effects.
1288
01:08:01,316 --> 01:08:03,599
This alien is here
for the body count.
1289
01:08:03,623 --> 01:08:07,279
I mean, it just kills people
in all kinds of gory ways.
1290
01:08:12,196 --> 01:08:16,046
The alien has this very funny
facial expression.
1291
01:08:16,070 --> 01:08:17,787
I don't know what it is,
1292
01:08:17,811 --> 01:08:21,269
but there's something very funny
about that alien's face.
1293
01:08:21,293 --> 01:08:24,228
You don't really understand
what the alien's motive is.
1294
01:08:24,252 --> 01:08:27,231
It kind of seems like a child
that just got a new toy.
1295
01:08:27,255 --> 01:08:28,928
Like,
"Oh, what's this button do?
1296
01:08:28,952 --> 01:08:30,582
Oh, wow!"
1297
01:08:30,606 --> 01:08:32,956
And he's just killing people
for fun the whole movie.
1298
01:08:37,918 --> 01:08:39,939
Guess who did the music.
1299
01:08:39,963 --> 01:08:41,051
J.J. Abrams.
1300
01:08:42,226 --> 01:08:45,336
J.J. Abrams, who was credited
as Jeffrey Abrams,
1301
01:08:45,360 --> 01:08:48,164
did the music in "Nightbeast."
1302
01:08:48,188 --> 01:08:50,625
If you want a body count,
I mean, this movie has it.
1303
01:08:57,937 --> 01:09:00,635
They got to bring back
the nightbeast in some way.
1304
01:09:08,382 --> 01:09:12,623
I do enjoy horror,
but only if it's really good.
1305
01:09:12,647 --> 01:09:16,845
I've tended to like
darker films, even as a child...
1306
01:09:16,869 --> 01:09:18,890
Film noir, you know,
for instance.
1307
01:09:18,914 --> 01:09:20,457
I like that genre.
1308
01:09:20,481 --> 01:09:24,287
It just is my favorite form
of escape.
1309
01:09:24,311 --> 01:09:25,897
It's like, just take me away.
1310
01:09:25,921 --> 01:09:28,073
I'm a willing participant,
you know?
1311
01:09:28,097 --> 01:09:32,643
I really want you
to change my world right now.
1312
01:09:32,667 --> 01:09:34,210
Today, I think of '80s movies
1313
01:09:34,234 --> 01:09:36,908
and I think of really big hair,
to start with.
1314
01:09:36,932 --> 01:09:38,606
That's pretty scary now.
1315
01:09:38,630 --> 01:09:39,868
I love movies.
1316
01:09:39,892 --> 01:09:42,131
I would always look
at who directed it,
1317
01:09:42,155 --> 01:09:44,481
who wrote it, who's in it,
what's it about.
1318
01:09:44,505 --> 01:09:45,917
All of the above, really.
1319
01:09:45,941 --> 01:09:48,224
You know, I started out
to be a dancer.
1320
01:09:48,248 --> 01:09:49,834
That was my first love.
1321
01:09:49,858 --> 01:09:53,185
And film really found me,
oddly enough.
1322
01:09:53,209 --> 01:09:55,492
It wasn't like
I was in search of.
1323
01:09:55,516 --> 01:09:57,538
Even the first time
I walked on the sound stage,
1324
01:09:57,562 --> 01:09:59,801
I felt like, "Oh.
It's like home."
1325
01:09:59,825 --> 01:10:02,369
You know, it felt like
I was in the right place.
1326
01:10:02,393 --> 01:10:05,676
Before I did film in New York,
I did a number of commercials.
1327
01:10:05,700 --> 01:10:06,808
Pants!
1328
01:10:06,832 --> 01:10:09,376
Wow!
A car with pants!
1329
01:10:09,400 --> 01:10:11,160
And I was very shy,
1330
01:10:11,184 --> 01:10:15,991
so it was at that point
that I got into acting classes.
1331
01:10:16,015 --> 01:10:18,559
And then when I started
making movies in the '70s,
1332
01:10:18,583 --> 01:10:23,607
and I found myself in a crowd
of people like Brian De Palma,
1333
01:10:23,631 --> 01:10:26,088
Steven Spielberg,
Marty Scorsese,
1334
01:10:26,112 --> 01:10:28,743
Francis Ford Coppola,
George Lucas, and Bob Zemeckis,
1335
01:10:28,767 --> 01:10:30,484
who I met as well,
1336
01:10:30,508 --> 01:10:32,877
you're sitting there, and you're
hearing this conversation.
1337
01:10:32,901 --> 01:10:34,966
They're deconstructing
these films
1338
01:10:34,990 --> 01:10:36,403
and talking about filmmakers.
1339
01:10:36,427 --> 01:10:38,274
And now all of a sudden,
I'm looking at it
1340
01:10:38,298 --> 01:10:40,537
from a different perspective.
1341
01:10:40,561 --> 01:10:42,191
I really like good directors.
1342
01:10:42,215 --> 01:10:44,280
They know what they're gonna
do, they have a plan,
1343
01:10:44,304 --> 01:10:47,152
and they will collaborate.
1344
01:10:47,176 --> 01:10:51,679
You know, they're interested
in your perspective as well.
1345
01:10:51,703 --> 01:10:53,289
Honestly, I spend much more time
1346
01:10:53,313 --> 01:10:56,901
on enriching the character's
inner life and life
1347
01:10:56,925 --> 01:10:59,382
and making it
as real as possible.
1348
01:10:59,406 --> 01:11:01,340
I really throw caution
to the wind
1349
01:11:01,364 --> 01:11:04,212
and leave it to the director
to get the tone
1350
01:11:04,236 --> 01:11:07,955
and the balance correct
between all the performers,
1351
01:11:07,979 --> 01:11:11,524
and, you know, delivering a film
that makes sense tonally.
1352
01:11:11,548 --> 01:11:13,613
But I've worked
with great directors.
1353
01:11:13,637 --> 01:11:17,138
Now you have a problem,
which I've experienced,
1354
01:11:17,162 --> 01:11:21,272
where you work with a director
who you can't really trust.
1355
01:11:21,296 --> 01:11:24,711
And that's very difficult.
1356
01:11:24,735 --> 01:11:29,498
Unfortunately, with women,
a lot of the roles that I played
1357
01:11:29,522 --> 01:11:31,239
and a lot of the films
that I was in,
1358
01:11:31,263 --> 01:11:34,198
there wasn't a lot of background
about who this character is,
1359
01:11:34,222 --> 01:11:36,244
so I had to fill
in those blanks.
1360
01:11:36,268 --> 01:11:39,682
Starting with "Carrie," I just
literally I wrote a biography.
1361
01:11:39,706 --> 01:11:41,118
What do they eat in the morning?
What do they dress?
1362
01:11:41,142 --> 01:11:42,511
What do they like to do?
1363
01:11:42,535 --> 01:11:43,904
It just informs me.
1364
01:11:43,928 --> 01:11:45,732
It makes it fuller and richer
for me,
1365
01:11:45,756 --> 01:11:48,236
because there's often not
a lot on the page.
1366
01:11:50,543 --> 01:11:52,913
You'll get canned
for this, you bitch!
1367
01:11:52,937 --> 01:11:54,784
One more word from you
and I'm gonna knock you down,
1368
01:11:54,808 --> 01:11:56,307
do you understand me?!
1369
01:11:56,331 --> 01:11:58,484
I did not see Chris Hargenson
as a bitch.
1370
01:11:58,508 --> 01:12:00,660
Let's start with that.
1371
01:12:00,684 --> 01:12:05,316
I thought that Chris Hargenson
was a pretty cool girl.
1372
01:12:05,340 --> 01:12:09,756
And this gal Carrie, that
I wouldn't even hang out with,
1373
01:12:09,780 --> 01:12:11,758
has just screwed
things up for me.
1374
01:12:11,782 --> 01:12:13,281
So there.
1375
01:12:13,305 --> 01:12:15,762
Look at her.
1376
01:12:15,786 --> 01:12:18,329
You eat shit.
1377
01:12:18,353 --> 01:12:20,027
You have to find why you
like a character
1378
01:12:20,051 --> 01:12:21,768
and teenagers
are so black and white.
1379
01:12:21,792 --> 01:12:23,857
That's what's interesting
about having people
1380
01:12:23,881 --> 01:12:25,641
in their 20s play that role.
1381
01:12:25,665 --> 01:12:27,600
You have a little distance
on it, a little perspective.
1382
01:12:27,624 --> 01:12:29,819
What I had to wrap myself around
1383
01:12:29,843 --> 01:12:32,343
was the, you know,
what's driving her?
1384
01:12:32,367 --> 01:12:34,432
Why is she doing this?
Why is she so hurt?
1385
01:12:34,456 --> 01:12:36,347
What's going on at home?
1386
01:12:36,371 --> 01:12:40,351
And, you know, why does she feel
so entitled to behave this way?
1387
01:12:40,375 --> 01:12:43,224
And I would have to say that
the crew really helped me
1388
01:12:43,248 --> 01:12:45,792
because whenever John
and I, Travolta,
1389
01:12:45,816 --> 01:12:47,707
were on the set,
everybody laughed,
1390
01:12:47,731 --> 01:12:49,447
so I just thought
we were really funny.
1391
01:12:49,471 --> 01:12:51,014
I thought we were comic relief.
1392
01:12:51,038 --> 01:12:53,127
I didn't realize
everyone was gonna despise me.
1393
01:13:01,440 --> 01:13:04,332
I think "Dressed to Kill"
is, first of all,
1394
01:13:04,356 --> 01:13:05,768
it's visually stunning.
1395
01:13:05,792 --> 01:13:07,944
It's an emotional dance,
it's a visual dance.
1396
01:13:07,968 --> 01:13:09,990
The film worked on paper,
it just did.
1397
01:13:10,014 --> 01:13:11,992
It was... You could see it.
1398
01:13:12,016 --> 01:13:16,387
I personally wasn't a fan
of the slasher aspect of it,
1399
01:13:16,411 --> 01:13:19,955
and I always felt
that the elevator scene,
1400
01:13:19,979 --> 01:13:21,783
you didn't even
have to see anything.
1401
01:13:21,807 --> 01:13:25,395
My preference would have been
to just see this character
1402
01:13:25,419 --> 01:13:28,248
being backed into the co...
That was enough for me.
1403
01:13:31,208 --> 01:13:33,602
I didn't need the blood,
but I guess people like that.
1404
01:13:38,563 --> 01:13:40,976
The psychological aspects of it
1405
01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:46,112
rather than the thriller aspects
of it are what I prefer.
1406
01:13:46,136 --> 01:13:50,203
This character that I play,
the Liz Blake character,
1407
01:13:50,227 --> 01:13:51,944
is a very strong woman.
1408
01:13:51,968 --> 01:13:54,337
You can say whatever
you want about her.
1409
01:13:54,361 --> 01:13:55,861
She knows what she wants.
1410
01:13:55,885 --> 01:13:57,645
And that's what she gets.
1411
01:13:57,669 --> 01:14:01,518
Well... what do you think?
1412
01:14:01,542 --> 01:14:03,346
Shooting the last scene
in "Dressed to Kill,"
1413
01:14:03,370 --> 01:14:06,393
first of all,
you're in a sound stage,
1414
01:14:06,417 --> 01:14:08,003
tiny, little corner of a space.
1415
01:14:08,027 --> 01:14:09,352
The water's running.
1416
01:14:09,376 --> 01:14:11,354
They're trying to get it
a little warmer
1417
01:14:11,378 --> 01:14:12,747
so that I don't freeze to death.
1418
01:14:12,771 --> 01:14:14,227
It's the dead of winter.
1419
01:14:14,251 --> 01:14:16,795
I remember the cold,
I remember the wet,
1420
01:14:16,819 --> 01:14:18,492
I remember the naked.
1421
01:14:18,516 --> 01:14:19,735
That's what I remember.
1422
01:14:25,001 --> 01:14:27,066
There was a mirror.
It opened up.
1423
01:14:27,090 --> 01:14:29,614
That's when the razor comes out.
1424
01:14:33,836 --> 01:14:35,944
Even though someone's
lying on the floor,
1425
01:14:35,968 --> 01:14:37,642
they're pumping the blood,
1426
01:14:37,666 --> 01:14:40,669
is it coming through
with the razor on my throat...
1427
01:14:43,280 --> 01:14:44,779
there is something...
1428
01:14:44,803 --> 01:14:46,999
Even though
it's all make believe...
1429
01:14:47,023 --> 01:14:50,330
That's traumatizing when you
see blood gushing out of you.
1430
01:14:53,638 --> 01:14:55,311
It does end in a nightmare
for her,
1431
01:14:55,335 --> 01:14:57,836
so you wonder how much more
she's gonna be going on
1432
01:14:57,860 --> 01:14:59,252
in her life with all of that.
1433
01:15:02,038 --> 01:15:05,321
The big hullabaloo
when the film came out
1434
01:15:05,345 --> 01:15:08,760
had nothing to do
with transgender at all.
1435
01:15:08,784 --> 01:15:11,763
It was all about the misogyny.
That's what I remember.
1436
01:15:11,787 --> 01:15:13,895
Let's face it,
you're a whore, eh?
1437
01:15:13,919 --> 01:15:15,897
You're a Park Avenue whore,
but you're still a whore.
1438
01:15:15,921 --> 01:15:17,246
Fuck you.
1439
01:15:17,270 --> 01:15:19,335
No, fuck you.
1440
01:15:19,359 --> 01:15:21,598
That bothered me
because I-I felt like
1441
01:15:21,622 --> 01:15:23,949
Liz Blake
was a pretty tough cookie.
1442
01:15:23,973 --> 01:15:25,690
She was nobody's fool.
1443
01:15:25,714 --> 01:15:28,867
And unlike Angie Dickinson
character who had to be punished
1444
01:15:28,891 --> 01:15:30,869
for her sexuality,
she had real sexual energy.
1445
01:15:30,893 --> 01:15:33,392
She was real comfortable
with her sexuality.
1446
01:15:33,416 --> 01:15:35,002
In fact, it was a business
for her.
1447
01:15:35,026 --> 01:15:36,438
Do you want to fuck me?
1448
01:15:36,462 --> 01:15:38,484
Oh, yes.
1449
01:15:38,508 --> 01:15:42,140
I think it would be very hard
to get that film made today
1450
01:15:42,164 --> 01:15:45,273
with that script,
with that transgender character
1451
01:15:45,297 --> 01:15:47,928
being the killer,
maybe impossible.
1452
01:15:47,952 --> 01:15:50,670
What's important about that film
is what we didn't know
1453
01:15:50,694 --> 01:15:54,413
and how unconscious
we were at that time.
1454
01:15:54,437 --> 01:15:57,416
For better or for worse,
we're more conscious now,
1455
01:15:57,440 --> 01:15:59,200
or self-conscious in a way now.
1456
01:15:59,224 --> 01:16:01,420
Everybody seems
very self-conscious
1457
01:16:01,444 --> 01:16:03,378
to me about everything.
1458
01:16:03,402 --> 01:16:07,165
We're still understanding
and still trying to understand
1459
01:16:07,189 --> 01:16:09,863
some of the complications
of a character
1460
01:16:09,887 --> 01:16:11,584
like
the Michael Caine character.
1461
01:16:15,632 --> 01:16:19,264
I do not gravitate
to scary films,
1462
01:16:19,288 --> 01:16:20,918
but I'm not afraid of them
either.
1463
01:16:20,942 --> 01:16:22,833
I like suspense.
1464
01:16:22,857 --> 01:16:25,139
I like jeopardy in films, I do.
1465
01:16:25,163 --> 01:16:29,056
So I guess I like feeling
a little bit out of control
1466
01:16:29,080 --> 01:16:32,886
or whatever,
but I don't like slasher films.
1467
01:16:32,910 --> 01:16:34,496
Don't like just blood and guts.
1468
01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:37,132
I'd like to be a little bit
smarter than that.
1469
01:16:49,579 --> 01:16:51,146
Announcer: "The Entity."
1470
01:16:54,540 --> 01:16:58,085
Barbara Hershey in "The Entity"
is attacked
1471
01:16:58,109 --> 01:17:00,522
by a sexual being of some sort,
1472
01:17:00,546 --> 01:17:03,288
and it's very realistic
and very disturbing.
1473
01:17:11,209 --> 01:17:13,840
It was apparently based
on a true story
1474
01:17:13,864 --> 01:17:17,104
that had happened seven,
eight years previous
1475
01:17:17,128 --> 01:17:18,671
to the making of the film,
1476
01:17:18,695 --> 01:17:21,587
about this woman
who was terrorized,
1477
01:17:21,611 --> 01:17:25,199
and, you know, raped sexually
by this... this ghost.
1478
01:17:25,223 --> 01:17:28,246
Barbara Hershey gives
an excellent performance
1479
01:17:28,270 --> 01:17:29,421
in the lead role.
1480
01:17:29,445 --> 01:17:31,249
Ron Silver's in it.
1481
01:17:31,273 --> 01:17:32,946
It's a small film.
1482
01:17:32,970 --> 01:17:36,123
It's actually quite effective.
1483
01:17:36,147 --> 01:17:37,777
You think I'm insane.
1484
01:17:37,801 --> 01:17:40,606
Insane?
1485
01:17:40,630 --> 01:17:42,695
That means different things
to different people, Carla.
1486
01:17:42,719 --> 01:17:44,436
It was so realistic,
1487
01:17:44,460 --> 01:17:48,134
because of all the things
she was doing and the bruises.
1488
01:17:48,158 --> 01:17:50,615
That would have been
a hard role.
1489
01:17:50,639 --> 01:17:53,357
You'll wait till I'm alone,
won't you?
1490
01:17:53,381 --> 01:17:56,664
Then you'll come forth
to hurt me, to hurt my children!
1491
01:17:56,688 --> 01:18:01,017
Stan Winston was responsible
for this moment
1492
01:18:01,041 --> 01:18:05,064
where you see Barbara Hershey's
character nude in bed,
1493
01:18:05,088 --> 01:18:08,763
and you see
the entity fondling her.
1494
01:18:08,787 --> 01:18:10,417
It's an excellent effect,
1495
01:18:10,441 --> 01:18:15,466
he and his team
created a fake body for Barbara
1496
01:18:15,490 --> 01:18:18,251
and she was underneath the bed
on a slant board.
1497
01:18:18,275 --> 01:18:21,211
Stan was underneath her
reaching up past her
1498
01:18:21,235 --> 01:18:24,214
to manipulate the...
The breasts.
1499
01:18:24,238 --> 01:18:27,260
So he had cups
on the interior of the breast
1500
01:18:27,284 --> 01:18:29,697
and when he pulled his fingers
in, from the outside,
1501
01:18:29,721 --> 01:18:32,700
it would look as if invisible
fingers were pressing.
1502
01:18:32,724 --> 01:18:37,749
And his other crew were gently
manipulating the fake arms
1503
01:18:37,773 --> 01:18:40,404
and legs of this body.
1504
01:18:40,428 --> 01:18:43,320
Barbara Hershey was exhausted
by doing "The Entity"
1505
01:18:43,344 --> 01:18:46,627
because first of all,
she had to be naked.
1506
01:18:46,651 --> 01:18:49,543
She had to act like somebody
was having sex with her.
1507
01:18:49,567 --> 01:18:51,545
She's got all these people
on set.
1508
01:18:51,569 --> 01:18:55,027
With me, when I'm acting,
like, possessed or something,
1509
01:18:55,051 --> 01:18:57,334
I feel ridiculous.
1510
01:18:57,358 --> 01:18:58,639
I'm sure all that was running
1511
01:18:58,663 --> 01:19:00,598
through her head
when she was doing it.
1512
01:19:00,622 --> 01:19:03,862
But when you see the final
movie, it's very realistic.
1513
01:19:03,886 --> 01:19:05,255
And she did a great job.
1514
01:19:05,279 --> 01:19:06,715
That had to have been
so hard to do.
1515
01:19:19,902 --> 01:19:21,706
It's All Saints' Day.
1516
01:19:21,730 --> 01:19:23,577
Woman: A demanding,
implacable enemy
1517
01:19:23,601 --> 01:19:27,016
whose search for blood
is never satiated.
1518
01:19:27,040 --> 01:19:31,324
The goriest, nastiest thing that
kind of stuck with me growing up
1519
01:19:31,348 --> 01:19:33,936
wasn't anything that Jason did
1520
01:19:33,960 --> 01:19:36,242
or Freddy Krueger did
or Michael Myers did.
1521
01:19:36,266 --> 01:19:39,052
It was Lucio Fulci's
"City of the Living Dead."
1522
01:19:46,885 --> 01:19:49,584
The living dead part
kind of throws you off.
1523
01:19:51,281 --> 01:19:54,545
It's a more supernatural movie.
1524
01:20:00,682 --> 01:20:05,642
Almost like it was tacked on to
kind of ride the Romero train.
1525
01:20:07,818 --> 01:20:10,754
The original title was
"City of the Living Dead."
1526
01:20:10,778 --> 01:20:12,712
But when they brought it
over to America,
1527
01:20:12,736 --> 01:20:15,802
they changed it
to "The Gates of Hell."
1528
01:20:15,826 --> 01:20:17,674
Nobile Jr.:
"The Gates of Hell" ad
1529
01:20:17,698 --> 01:20:19,981
seemed like it was just warning
you to not watch this movie.
1530
01:20:20,005 --> 01:20:22,287
It had, like, a long explanation
about why it wasn't rated,
1531
01:20:22,311 --> 01:20:25,769
but you can't
come see this movie.
1532
01:20:25,793 --> 01:20:28,424
I remember the image
of "The Gates of Hell" thing,
1533
01:20:28,448 --> 01:20:30,252
thinking it was gonna be
the most terrifying thing
1534
01:20:30,276 --> 01:20:31,862
I've ever seen.
1535
01:20:31,886 --> 01:20:33,516
Just a really effective
marketing campaign...
1536
01:20:33,540 --> 01:20:34,865
to a 12-year-old.
1537
01:20:34,889 --> 01:20:38,738
I saw a priest
who, by hanging himself,
1538
01:20:38,762 --> 01:20:41,002
opened the gates of Hell.
1539
01:20:41,026 --> 01:20:45,267
It was almost like
this Gothic-zombie tale
1540
01:20:45,291 --> 01:20:50,315
surrounding this priest trying
to bring about the apocalypse
1541
01:20:50,339 --> 01:20:53,579
in this small town,
the protagonists
1542
01:20:53,603 --> 01:20:56,128
basically trying to shut
the portal to Hell.
1543
01:21:01,916 --> 01:21:05,180
A dude is sitting in his pickup
truck with his lady.
1544
01:21:08,314 --> 01:21:11,032
And she turns and looks at him
1545
01:21:11,056 --> 01:21:14,078
after seeing this priest flash
before her eyes,
1546
01:21:14,102 --> 01:21:17,951
and she just starts
puking her own guts out.
1547
01:21:17,975 --> 01:21:22,695
And it goes on a lot longer
than you would expect.
1548
01:21:22,719 --> 01:21:24,045
It's super gnarly.
1549
01:21:24,069 --> 01:21:25,679
And that always stuck with me.
1550
01:21:29,465 --> 01:21:31,530
Jericho: And there's some kind
of a kidney-looking thing,
1551
01:21:31,554 --> 01:21:34,229
and then here comes
some sausage intestines,
1552
01:21:34,253 --> 01:21:35,752
and then there's
a heart-like thing,
1553
01:21:35,776 --> 01:21:38,170
and it's just like...
It just doesn't stop.
1554
01:21:43,914 --> 01:21:48,025
It has, to me, the best kill.
1555
01:21:48,049 --> 01:21:51,637
The father holding homeboy's
head down
1556
01:21:51,661 --> 01:21:53,596
and the drill coming in,
1557
01:21:53,620 --> 01:21:58,364
and just giving him the full-on
Black & Decker lobotomy.
1558
01:22:03,717 --> 01:22:05,173
It's so sick.
1559
01:22:05,197 --> 01:22:08,200
To this day, it's one of
my favorite Fulci movies.
1560
01:22:20,907 --> 01:22:23,712
"Pieces" is,
as the tagline says,
1561
01:22:23,736 --> 01:22:26,323
"exactly what you think it is."
1562
01:22:26,347 --> 01:22:28,108
This is a movie they were
trying to capitalize
1563
01:22:28,132 --> 01:22:30,046
on the "Texas Chainsaw
Massacre."
1564
01:22:33,267 --> 01:22:37,334
A maniac killer
going around a college,
1565
01:22:37,358 --> 01:22:41,512
chopping up a bevy
of beautiful women
1566
01:22:41,536 --> 01:22:45,497
to basically create
one perfect, beautiful woman.
1567
01:22:48,761 --> 01:22:52,306
And the fact that this is still
such an underground movie
1568
01:22:52,330 --> 01:22:53,983
is criminal.
1569
01:22:56,247 --> 01:22:58,094
The gore is insane.
1570
01:22:58,118 --> 01:23:00,618
There's so much blood
everywhere,
1571
01:23:00,642 --> 01:23:04,559
it's almost like you
can just smell the guts.
1572
01:23:07,910 --> 01:23:09,627
George: Help!
1573
01:23:09,651 --> 01:23:11,629
I would have to turn
in my horror card
1574
01:23:11,653 --> 01:23:13,762
if I didn't say
that the greatest scene
1575
01:23:13,786 --> 01:23:16,547
in almost any '80s horror film
1576
01:23:16,571 --> 01:23:21,465
was not Linda George shouting,
"Bastard!"
1577
01:23:21,489 --> 01:23:23,665
Bastard!
1578
01:23:25,624 --> 01:23:27,950
Bastard!
1579
01:23:27,974 --> 01:23:30,126
There was a major red herring
in the film.
1580
01:23:30,150 --> 01:23:31,867
There's a guy
who's the groundskeeper,
1581
01:23:31,891 --> 01:23:35,044
walking around with a chainsaw,
played by Paul Smith,
1582
01:23:35,068 --> 01:23:37,525
who was Bluto
in the "Popeye" movie,
1583
01:23:37,549 --> 01:23:39,290
and also in "Dune."
1584
01:23:41,205 --> 01:23:43,487
You think that he is gonna
be the killer.
1585
01:23:43,511 --> 01:23:47,883
It's one of the most blatantly
obvious not red herrings ever.
1586
01:23:47,907 --> 01:23:49,711
He's walking around,
he's got the chainsaw,
1587
01:23:49,735 --> 01:23:51,669
he loves his chainsaw,
1588
01:23:51,693 --> 01:23:54,827
and people are dying
by chainsaw.
1589
01:23:57,221 --> 01:23:59,460
If anything, you have to see it
for the ending.
1590
01:23:59,484 --> 01:24:01,268
You will not see
this one coming.
1591
01:24:18,981 --> 01:24:22,004
Lucio Fulci's "The Beyond"
is a fantastic movie
1592
01:24:22,028 --> 01:24:26,051
that I think, one,
not only captures the essence
1593
01:24:26,075 --> 01:24:27,923
of who he was as a filmmaker,
1594
01:24:27,947 --> 01:24:29,794
but I also think,
in a really great way,
1595
01:24:29,818 --> 01:24:33,710
it's really a fantastic sort of
celebration of the weirdness
1596
01:24:33,734 --> 01:24:37,410
that is New Orleans,
specifically in the early 1980s.
1597
01:24:37,434 --> 01:24:39,107
The movie is centered
on a young woman
1598
01:24:39,131 --> 01:24:42,632
who inherits
mysteriously a hotel,
1599
01:24:42,656 --> 01:24:45,722
and then ultimately finds out
that the hotel is centered
1600
01:24:45,746 --> 01:24:48,072
over one of the gates
of Hell, darn.
1601
01:24:48,096 --> 01:24:51,709
This hotel is one of the
seven gateways of Hell.
1602
01:24:54,364 --> 01:24:56,124
And I think in the first
30 seconds,
1603
01:24:56,148 --> 01:24:57,647
we've already got flesh ripping,
1604
01:24:57,671 --> 01:25:00,041
really ghastly,
gruesome effects,
1605
01:25:00,065 --> 01:25:01,695
which were the work
of Giannetto De Rossi,
1606
01:25:01,719 --> 01:25:03,740
who is one of the greatest
sort of Italian
1607
01:25:03,764 --> 01:25:05,568
special effects
artists over there,
1608
01:25:05,592 --> 01:25:07,657
and it just
never stops from there.
1609
01:25:07,681 --> 01:25:11,294
It's just a constant barrage
of horribleness.
1610
01:25:13,861 --> 01:25:17,972
He also taps into my fear
of big spiders as well.
1611
01:25:17,996 --> 01:25:20,279
In Fulci's world, tarantulas
are gonna come for you
1612
01:25:20,303 --> 01:25:24,108
and they're going
to eat your face.
1613
01:25:24,132 --> 01:25:27,242
You have, like, these little
munching spiders coming through,
1614
01:25:27,266 --> 01:25:29,897
eating the guy's flesh
and tearing it away.
1615
01:25:29,921 --> 01:25:31,812
Basically, it sounds,
you know, like,
1616
01:25:31,836 --> 01:25:34,578
there's like a bunch of people
at a buffet.
1617
01:25:35,883 --> 01:25:37,905
There's a great set piece
at the hospital.
1618
01:25:37,929 --> 01:25:42,301
It's just like a constant
barrage of reanimated corpses.
1619
01:25:42,325 --> 01:25:43,867
They're trying to fight
their way out,
1620
01:25:43,891 --> 01:25:46,111
and it just, like,
it doesn't stop.
1621
01:25:50,115 --> 01:25:52,136
Eyes were definitely a motif
in "The Beyond"
1622
01:25:52,160 --> 01:25:55,139
that we saw sort of utilized
again and again.
1623
01:25:55,163 --> 01:25:58,142
We have Joe the handyman
who basically finds himself
1624
01:25:58,166 --> 01:26:00,734
being blinded in both eyes
after being attacked.
1625
01:26:03,171 --> 01:26:04,584
And then you have a housekeeper
1626
01:26:04,608 --> 01:26:06,237
who ends up getting
sort of pushed
1627
01:26:06,261 --> 01:26:09,395
onto a large spike,
and her eye pops out as well.
1628
01:26:11,136 --> 01:26:14,898
And then you have characters
in the movie who also go blind.
1629
01:26:14,922 --> 01:26:17,248
It's a really weird
and wild movie,
1630
01:26:17,272 --> 01:26:19,710
but you wouldn't expect
anything less from Fulci.
1631
01:26:34,551 --> 01:26:36,379
I wanted to make
a monster movie.
1632
01:26:40,121 --> 01:26:41,969
I wrote "The Being"
when I was 23.
1633
01:26:41,993 --> 01:26:44,363
I was fascinated by
the idea of horror,
1634
01:26:44,387 --> 01:26:48,715
because I love eliciting
a reaction.
1635
01:26:48,739 --> 01:26:51,673
A nuclear waste dump
produces a monster
1636
01:26:51,697 --> 01:26:53,719
that wreaks havoc
on a small town
1637
01:26:53,743 --> 01:26:55,677
while he's looking for his mom.
1638
01:26:55,701 --> 01:26:59,246
Okay?
Alright?
1639
01:26:59,270 --> 01:27:01,379
There's always a human
element there.
1640
01:27:01,403 --> 01:27:03,555
My sort of weird sense of humor.
1641
01:27:03,579 --> 01:27:06,451
I think that is the thread
you see in all my films.
1642
01:27:09,062 --> 01:27:13,042
I went over to Martin Landau's
acting studio
1643
01:27:13,066 --> 01:27:14,653
because I wanted
Martin Landau in my film.
1644
01:27:14,677 --> 01:27:16,481
And I said,
"You know, Mr. Landau,
1645
01:27:16,505 --> 01:27:21,877
I really don't want to be in
your acting class, no offense.
1646
01:27:21,901 --> 01:27:23,836
I'm a director,
1647
01:27:23,860 --> 01:27:26,142
and I want you
to be in my film."
1648
01:27:26,166 --> 01:27:28,101
And he was so wonderful.
1649
01:27:28,125 --> 01:27:29,929
I pulled the script
out of my bag
1650
01:27:29,953 --> 01:27:32,148
and gave it to him,
and he goes, "I'll read it."
1651
01:27:32,172 --> 01:27:34,803
And he read it that night
and he said he'd do it.
1652
01:27:34,827 --> 01:27:38,067
And he was instrumental
in getting José Ferrer,
1653
01:27:38,091 --> 01:27:41,331
who was a friend of his,
and Dorothy Malone.
1654
01:27:41,355 --> 01:27:45,925
I had two Academy Award-winning
actors in my first horror film.
1655
01:27:48,885 --> 01:27:53,256
I even spent so much time
trying to design the monster,
1656
01:27:53,280 --> 01:27:55,563
and finally everyone said,
"Stop designing the monster.
1657
01:27:55,587 --> 01:27:56,936
Start making the movie."
1658
01:28:01,201 --> 01:28:04,877
I may have been heavy-handed
with it, but it still works,
1659
01:28:04,901 --> 01:28:09,621
of this denial about
environmental disasters.
1660
01:28:09,645 --> 01:28:13,233
I mean, Martin Landau says
with dead seriousness
1661
01:28:13,257 --> 01:28:15,757
that dumping nuclear waste
into the aquifer
1662
01:28:15,781 --> 01:28:17,672
will not affect
the drinking water.
1663
01:28:17,696 --> 01:28:19,457
He even does
the demonstration...
1664
01:28:19,481 --> 01:28:21,546
Pouring the water,
drinking the water,
1665
01:28:21,570 --> 01:28:24,113
"Mmmmmm, delicious."
1666
01:28:24,137 --> 01:28:26,681
This goes on today.
1667
01:28:26,705 --> 01:28:29,684
It was chilling, unpredictable,
1668
01:28:29,708 --> 01:28:32,121
and a slice of Americana.
1669
01:28:32,145 --> 01:28:34,060
I learned a lot
making that movie.
1670
01:28:38,978 --> 01:28:42,131
It wasn't a perfect film,
but I have to say, you know,
1671
01:28:42,155 --> 01:28:44,482
I have certain fans
that come to me
1672
01:28:44,506 --> 01:28:46,546
and tell me it's their
favorite film that I've made.
1673
01:28:59,390 --> 01:29:01,150
Announcer: "The Keep."
1674
01:29:01,174 --> 01:29:04,370
Coming soon
from Paramount Pictures.
1675
01:29:04,394 --> 01:29:05,937
Michael Mann directs "The Keep,"
1676
01:29:05,961 --> 01:29:09,027
which I think is
one of his best movies.
1677
01:29:09,051 --> 01:29:11,986
That's a Pandora's Box movie.
It's like "The Mummy."
1678
01:29:12,010 --> 01:29:16,861
We don't want to let whatever's
in the keep out.
1679
01:29:16,885 --> 01:29:19,124
The reason it's in the keep,
it's supposed to stay in there.
1680
01:29:19,148 --> 01:29:21,498
Never touch the crosses.
1681
01:29:23,282 --> 01:29:24,782
Never!
1682
01:29:24,806 --> 01:29:26,827
And the Nazis have to control
this keep.
1683
01:29:26,851 --> 01:29:31,310
And, of course, they can't not
open up the keep
1684
01:29:31,334 --> 01:29:32,553
and find out what is in it.
1685
01:29:37,340 --> 01:29:40,386
What we find out is inside
is Scott Glenn.
1686
01:29:42,171 --> 01:29:44,608
You don't want to let
Scott Glenn out on the world.
1687
01:29:46,654 --> 01:29:49,308
Don't... touch that.
1688
01:29:51,746 --> 01:29:53,811
The reason why "The Keep"
has a cult following
1689
01:29:53,835 --> 01:29:58,032
is that it is both
very '80s and very unique.
1690
01:29:58,056 --> 01:30:01,732
The sound design,
the look of it, the music.
1691
01:30:01,756 --> 01:30:05,083
It's all very unlike
what you would see
1692
01:30:05,107 --> 01:30:09,198
in a World War II movie
where a monster kills people.
1693
01:30:12,418 --> 01:30:14,832
Michael Mann, just like
on his previous movie "Thief,"
1694
01:30:14,856 --> 01:30:17,095
he used Tangerine Dream
for the soundtrack,
1695
01:30:17,119 --> 01:30:19,793
and it's these moody,
synthesized soundscapes,
1696
01:30:19,817 --> 01:30:21,752
which is again something
you don't normally hear
1697
01:30:21,776 --> 01:30:23,212
in a World War II movie.
1698
01:30:30,306 --> 01:30:32,240
The villain of the movie,
Molasar,
1699
01:30:32,264 --> 01:30:33,938
has a really interesting look.
1700
01:30:33,962 --> 01:30:37,071
When he first appears,
he's this giant mass of muscle
1701
01:30:37,095 --> 01:30:39,204
and sinew with a skull
for a head.
1702
01:30:39,228 --> 01:30:41,380
It almost looks like somebody's
skinned the Incredible Hulk.
1703
01:30:41,404 --> 01:30:43,556
The soldiers are back.
1704
01:30:43,580 --> 01:30:46,124
I will destroy them!
1705
01:30:46,148 --> 01:30:47,995
And then later,
he gets more complete,
1706
01:30:48,019 --> 01:30:50,781
and he takes on almost
this Golem-like appearance,
1707
01:30:50,805 --> 01:30:53,000
which is pretty appropriate
considering the Golem
1708
01:30:53,024 --> 01:30:55,960
is a creature
from Jewish mythology
1709
01:30:55,984 --> 01:30:58,073
and he's killing Nazis.
1710
01:31:04,732 --> 01:31:07,145
The movie had
a very troubled production.
1711
01:31:07,169 --> 01:31:09,277
Michael Mann's original cut
was supposed to be
1712
01:31:09,301 --> 01:31:11,540
three and a half hours long,
but they forced him
1713
01:31:11,564 --> 01:31:13,586
to cut it down to a little
over an hour and a half.
1714
01:31:13,610 --> 01:31:15,283
So as a result,
in the final movie,
1715
01:31:15,307 --> 01:31:17,721
there's a lot of elements
that aren't really explained.
1716
01:31:17,745 --> 01:31:19,635
For example,
Scott Glenn's character,
1717
01:31:19,659 --> 01:31:22,986
you're not exactly sure what
his connection to the villain is
1718
01:31:23,010 --> 01:31:27,057
or why he's got these...
These supernatural powers.
1719
01:31:29,843 --> 01:31:32,169
Michael Mann was very
disappointed in the movie
1720
01:31:32,193 --> 01:31:35,868
and has basically tried to bury
it ever since it was released.
1721
01:31:35,892 --> 01:31:38,262
Aah!
1722
01:31:38,286 --> 01:31:39,829
Michael, if you're
watching this,
1723
01:31:39,853 --> 01:31:41,134
I know you don't like
this movie,
1724
01:31:41,158 --> 01:31:43,093
but there are people
out there who do.
1725
01:31:43,117 --> 01:31:46,381
So, you know, maybe consider
giving it a high-def release.
1726
01:31:59,524 --> 01:32:02,678
Gower: In the '80s, having
the kids be part of the story
1727
01:32:02,702 --> 01:32:04,680
and an integral part
of the story,
1728
01:32:04,704 --> 01:32:08,814
instead of just someone's
offspring, became more popular.
1729
01:32:08,838 --> 01:32:11,512
And it became more part
of the story engine
1730
01:32:11,536 --> 01:32:13,210
than just on the side.
1731
01:32:13,234 --> 01:32:16,213
We progressed out of that
as just a cutesy little kind of,
1732
01:32:16,237 --> 01:32:18,476
"I'm the kid with the freckles,"
on an episode of "The Love Boat"
1733
01:32:18,500 --> 01:32:20,478
into being chased
by guys with axes
1734
01:32:20,502 --> 01:32:24,395
and monsters with dynamite,
and cars that come alive.
1735
01:32:24,419 --> 01:32:26,266
Stuff that can really get you.
1736
01:32:26,290 --> 01:32:29,879
Anytime you put a young kid
in a... in a scary story,
1737
01:32:29,903 --> 01:32:31,513
it really brings it home.
1738
01:32:37,040 --> 01:32:38,844
You put them in groups,
you put kids in peril,
1739
01:32:38,868 --> 01:32:41,020
you put them in adventures,
it becomes this whole thing,
1740
01:32:41,044 --> 01:32:42,543
and you're just wrapped up
in emotion
1741
01:32:42,567 --> 01:32:45,329
because these are kids,
you want them to succeed.
1742
01:32:45,353 --> 01:32:47,984
So you go all the way back
to the original kid
1743
01:32:48,008 --> 01:32:49,942
in a horror story,
1744
01:32:49,966 --> 01:32:52,902
is when Frankenstein's monster
kills a little girl by the pond.
1745
01:32:52,926 --> 01:32:55,992
That had to have been
absolutely astonishing
1746
01:32:56,016 --> 01:32:57,733
to people at that time,
1747
01:32:57,757 --> 01:32:59,560
that really punches you
right in the chest,
1748
01:32:59,584 --> 01:33:02,563
where it's like, "Wow, some harm
came to this kid."
1749
01:33:02,587 --> 01:33:06,132
There was a rule for a while
that you cannot kill off a kid.
1750
01:33:06,156 --> 01:33:08,985
And I don't think I do
except for in "The Being."
1751
01:33:10,421 --> 01:33:12,748
I think I cross
the line on that one.
1752
01:33:12,772 --> 01:33:15,141
But I love working with kids.
1753
01:33:15,165 --> 01:33:16,621
They love that role playing.
1754
01:33:16,645 --> 01:33:20,146
They know how to react
to what's happening
1755
01:33:20,170 --> 01:33:22,670
and get totally immersed
in the scene...
1756
01:33:22,694 --> 01:33:24,107
There she is.
1757
01:33:24,131 --> 01:33:25,872
Without being self-conscious.
1758
01:33:29,005 --> 01:33:32,724
I have always loved watching
young performers anyway.
1759
01:33:32,748 --> 01:33:35,073
Because it's amazing to me
1760
01:33:35,097 --> 01:33:37,815
that someone can have
that kind of ability.
1761
01:33:37,839 --> 01:33:41,427
Sometimes they grow up
to be tremendous actors
1762
01:33:41,451 --> 01:33:45,605
because of that, and other
times, they're fuck-ups.
1763
01:33:45,629 --> 01:33:47,303
Gower: But working with kids
is a whole other thing
1764
01:33:47,327 --> 01:33:49,087
that a lot of people
don't understand
1765
01:33:49,111 --> 01:33:51,481
if they've never been in
production with younger actors,
1766
01:33:51,505 --> 01:33:53,744
because there's
restraints on time.
1767
01:33:53,768 --> 01:33:55,615
They can, you know,
depending on how old you are,
1768
01:33:55,639 --> 01:33:57,922
there's different levels of how
long you can actually be on set.
1769
01:33:57,946 --> 01:33:59,968
There's even minimums
or maximums
1770
01:33:59,992 --> 01:34:01,491
of how long you can be
in front of the camera,
1771
01:34:01,515 --> 01:34:03,145
which adds into how long
you can be on set.
1772
01:34:03,169 --> 01:34:04,842
You have to go to school
every day.
1773
01:34:04,866 --> 01:34:06,888
There's a reason why they say
don't work with kids.
1774
01:34:06,912 --> 01:34:08,827
It really is a pain in the ass
for a production.
1775
01:34:12,700 --> 01:34:16,288
"Halloween III"
and on Halloween night,
1776
01:34:16,312 --> 01:34:21,206
all these masks are gonna eat
the kids' faces
1777
01:34:21,230 --> 01:34:24,016
and brains and kill them.
1778
01:34:31,153 --> 01:34:33,001
It gives me chills
thinking about it.
1779
01:34:33,025 --> 01:34:35,264
I want everybody
to be reassured,
1780
01:34:35,288 --> 01:34:38,484
when I'm standing there
on the phone screaming,
1781
01:34:38,508 --> 01:34:41,923
"Please stop it,
stop it, turn it off,
1782
01:34:41,947 --> 01:34:44,273
stop it, turn off
the final channel.
1783
01:34:44,297 --> 01:34:48,755
Stop it, stop it,"
all the children were saved.
1784
01:34:48,779 --> 01:34:50,845
You can take that to the bank.
1785
01:34:50,869 --> 01:34:52,107
Dante: When you're a kid,
1786
01:34:52,131 --> 01:34:53,935
other kids getting killed
on screen
1787
01:34:53,959 --> 01:34:56,676
is much more affecting
than if you see their, you know,
1788
01:34:56,700 --> 01:34:58,180
somebody's grandfather
getting killed.
1789
01:35:01,575 --> 01:35:06,077
It became very trendy to have
at least one or two kids
1790
01:35:06,101 --> 01:35:09,559
or a group of kids
going against the antagonist.
1791
01:35:09,583 --> 01:35:11,735
They would assemble
this group of...
1792
01:35:11,759 --> 01:35:16,174
Of plucky kids to try
and take down,
1793
01:35:16,198 --> 01:35:20,048
you know, this
incredibly disturbing force.
1794
01:35:20,072 --> 01:35:23,529
As a kid growing up in the '80s,
1795
01:35:23,553 --> 01:35:29,318
it was cool to kind of be able
to see myself reflected in that.
1796
01:35:29,342 --> 01:35:33,191
It was empowering to see that,
especially as a poor kid.
1797
01:35:33,215 --> 01:35:36,368
Burn rubber!
1798
01:35:36,392 --> 01:35:37,785
Aaaaahh!
1799
01:35:39,178 --> 01:35:40,590
Christ!
1800
01:35:40,614 --> 01:35:41,939
I think a lot of it
1801
01:35:41,963 --> 01:35:44,942
came from the writings
of Stephen King.
1802
01:35:44,966 --> 01:35:49,120
I mean, "Cujo" has the kid.
"It" has a group of kids.
1803
01:35:49,144 --> 01:35:53,254
I mean, he was kind of
the inventor of that subgenre,
1804
01:35:53,278 --> 01:35:54,908
if you want to call it that.
1805
01:35:54,932 --> 01:35:58,302
Stephen King certainly
has exploited Children as...
1806
01:35:58,326 --> 01:36:01,001
Children as victims,
children as evil, you know,
1807
01:36:01,025 --> 01:36:03,960
and... and done it
really quite well.
1808
01:36:03,984 --> 01:36:05,396
I think it's an interesting tool
1809
01:36:05,420 --> 01:36:08,008
because I think we become,
as the audience,
1810
01:36:08,032 --> 01:36:10,924
very conflicted, because right
away, it's a child.
1811
01:36:10,948 --> 01:36:14,405
So you have all of these
mixed... mixed emotions
1812
01:36:14,429 --> 01:36:17,171
about how you're supposed
to feel about it.
1813
01:36:20,740 --> 01:36:24,067
One of Stephen's tricks
is to put kids in jeopardy.
1814
01:36:24,091 --> 01:36:26,809
It's a little bit too effective,
I think,
1815
01:36:26,833 --> 01:36:28,985
because it gets mimicked
all the time.
1816
01:36:29,009 --> 01:36:31,553
And it's one of those things
that I resent.
1817
01:36:31,577 --> 01:36:34,251
It becomes a trope.
1818
01:36:34,275 --> 01:36:36,079
Now the kid is being victimized,
1819
01:36:36,103 --> 01:36:38,995
so our heroes are justified
in doing anything they want.
1820
01:36:39,019 --> 01:36:41,519
They're morally excused,
ethically excused from anything
1821
01:36:41,543 --> 01:36:45,306
because there's
a child involved.
1822
01:36:45,330 --> 01:36:47,873
Gage in "Pet Cemetery"
is interesting,
1823
01:36:47,897 --> 01:36:49,788
because in the beginning,
1824
01:36:49,812 --> 01:36:52,922
he is just
an innocent little kid... Bye-bye.
1825
01:36:52,946 --> 01:36:56,167
And he gets killed
devastatingly.
1826
01:37:01,259 --> 01:37:03,193
After I became a father,
1827
01:37:03,217 --> 01:37:05,761
that scene had so much
more weight than it did
1828
01:37:05,785 --> 01:37:07,458
when I was younger.
1829
01:37:07,482 --> 01:37:10,722
But it's interesting because
he is the poster child
1830
01:37:10,746 --> 01:37:12,768
for innocence in the beginning.
1831
01:37:12,792 --> 01:37:14,552
Hi, Daddy, I love you.
1832
01:37:14,576 --> 01:37:17,164
And then after he gets buried
in the pet cemetery,
1833
01:37:17,188 --> 01:37:19,538
he comes back as the villain.
1834
01:37:20,974 --> 01:37:23,997
Gage 2.0 comes in
1835
01:37:24,021 --> 01:37:27,739
and cuts Fred Gwynne's
Achilles tendon.
1836
01:37:27,763 --> 01:37:31,221
It's such a simple move,
but it's so cruel
1837
01:37:31,245 --> 01:37:34,161
and it's so effective
and it's so horrifying.
1838
01:37:39,775 --> 01:37:43,233
I don't scare easily.
1839
01:37:43,257 --> 01:37:46,149
The moment that is iconic for me
out of the 1980s,
1840
01:37:46,173 --> 01:37:48,369
is the twins from "The Shining."
1841
01:37:48,393 --> 01:37:49,674
They bothered me.
1842
01:37:49,698 --> 01:37:52,025
And they stayed with me.
1843
01:37:52,049 --> 01:37:53,765
Featherston: The twins
at the end of the hallway,
1844
01:37:53,789 --> 01:37:56,551
every time I'm in a hotel,
and I'm in a hallway alone,
1845
01:37:56,575 --> 01:37:58,335
that comes back for me
and I have this moment of like,
1846
01:37:58,359 --> 01:38:00,250
"Please don't let the hallway
feel longer than it is."
1847
01:38:00,274 --> 01:38:02,557
That is just a spooky-ass thing.
1848
01:38:02,581 --> 01:38:04,496
And the kid is wonderful in it.
1849
01:38:07,324 --> 01:38:08,953
There's just such a sadness
about that.
1850
01:38:08,977 --> 01:38:11,913
It's a lot of responsibility
to have that awareness,
1851
01:38:11,937 --> 01:38:15,612
to have that knowing,
to have that power.
1852
01:38:15,636 --> 01:38:18,726
It's a lot of responsibility
for a child.
1853
01:38:22,208 --> 01:38:24,665
That was the slow kill
for me, too, was the kid
1854
01:38:24,689 --> 01:38:28,756
'cause he would sit there
and you knew he knew.
1855
01:38:28,780 --> 01:38:31,976
There's nothing worse
for a child to know.
1856
01:38:32,000 --> 01:38:33,456
Adults, it's okay.
1857
01:38:33,480 --> 01:38:35,850
But when a child embraces,
1858
01:38:35,874 --> 01:38:38,200
"I know something
that they don't know,"
1859
01:38:38,224 --> 01:38:41,943
then it becomes
really terrifying.
1860
01:38:41,967 --> 01:38:44,902
Redrum.
1861
01:38:44,926 --> 01:38:47,035
Redrum.
1862
01:38:47,059 --> 01:38:50,647
And as a child, of course,
you tend to feel powerless.
1863
01:38:50,671 --> 01:38:54,347
And the fantasy of being able
to telekinetically punish
1864
01:38:54,371 --> 01:38:57,959
one's enemies
was really intoxicating.
1865
01:38:57,983 --> 01:39:00,831
It just appealed to my,
1866
01:39:00,855 --> 01:39:03,443
you know,
frustrated powerlessness
1867
01:39:03,467 --> 01:39:06,426
that I felt as a child,
that I think most children feel.
1868
01:39:13,651 --> 01:39:17,761
Just for a moment in our lives
when we felt that powerless,
1869
01:39:17,785 --> 01:39:19,198
the, you know, the bully
1870
01:39:19,222 --> 01:39:23,332
or the cruelty
that we've experienced,
1871
01:39:23,356 --> 01:39:25,639
I'm wishing I had a little
of that power myself
1872
01:39:25,663 --> 01:39:27,273
right now in the world.
1873
01:39:44,203 --> 01:39:46,703
"The Black Cat" by Lucio Fulci.
1874
01:39:46,727 --> 01:39:50,664
Many times the Edgar Allan Poe
story was adapted into film.
1875
01:39:50,688 --> 01:39:54,058
There was a 1934 film
with Karloff and Lugosi.
1876
01:39:54,082 --> 01:39:57,453
There was the 1940s film
with Lugosi also.
1877
01:39:57,477 --> 01:39:59,455
And then there was the '60s,
1878
01:39:59,479 --> 01:40:01,786
which had Vincent Price
and Peter Lorre.
1879
01:40:04,092 --> 01:40:06,660
All of them were very loose
adaptations, and so is this one.
1880
01:40:09,750 --> 01:40:12,076
This one is nothing subtle
at all.
1881
01:40:12,100 --> 01:40:13,972
This is about a killer cat.
1882
01:40:16,453 --> 01:40:18,933
Aah! Aah!
1883
01:40:21,587 --> 01:40:24,523
It doesn't just murder people,
it murders the shit out of them.
1884
01:40:24,547 --> 01:40:26,742
This cat could take
on Michael Myers.
1885
01:40:26,766 --> 01:40:27,854
It's a beast.
1886
01:40:30,074 --> 01:40:32,748
There's horror movies
where people burn to death.
1887
01:40:32,772 --> 01:40:34,185
And then there's horror movies
1888
01:40:34,209 --> 01:40:35,949
where people get thrown
out of windows.
1889
01:40:38,038 --> 01:40:41,999
Well, in "Black Cat,"
you get both at the same time.
1890
01:40:49,746 --> 01:40:51,313
Holy shit.
1891
01:40:53,489 --> 01:40:56,555
Some of the other movies
kind of use the black cat
1892
01:40:56,579 --> 01:40:59,688
as a symbol, like a metaphor
for evil or something,
1893
01:40:59,712 --> 01:41:03,518
but this one is just
going right for the jugular.
1894
01:41:03,542 --> 01:41:04,998
The cat is gonna leap out
1895
01:41:05,022 --> 01:41:06,502
and tear your fucking face off.
1896
01:41:25,695 --> 01:41:27,150
"Suspiria" gets all the love,
1897
01:41:27,174 --> 01:41:29,022
but "Tenebrae"
is my favorite Argento.
1898
01:41:29,046 --> 01:41:31,416
There's something about the way
Argento paces a scene
1899
01:41:31,440 --> 01:41:33,505
where you know
something's coming,
1900
01:41:33,529 --> 01:41:34,767
because you're watching
a horror movie
1901
01:41:34,791 --> 01:41:36,116
and you've seen horror movies.
1902
01:41:36,140 --> 01:41:37,639
So you know that's...
That's the deal,
1903
01:41:37,663 --> 01:41:39,859
but he waits just
a little too long,
1904
01:41:39,883 --> 01:41:41,687
so that when he finally
delivers it,
1905
01:41:41,711 --> 01:41:42,992
it's a different
kind of catharsis
1906
01:41:43,016 --> 01:41:44,627
than your average slasher movie.
1907
01:41:52,287 --> 01:41:54,569
I love stories about writers.
1908
01:41:54,593 --> 01:41:57,920
For me, that's just one of
my sort of cinematic catnips.
1909
01:41:57,944 --> 01:42:01,184
Tony Franciosa, in this movie,
he's playing an author
1910
01:42:01,208 --> 01:42:03,404
who basically
there's a killer out there
1911
01:42:03,428 --> 01:42:05,276
who's mimicking things
from his book,
1912
01:42:05,300 --> 01:42:08,148
and then he's sort of dealing
with the ramifications of that,
1913
01:42:08,172 --> 01:42:10,063
in Italy,
while he's on a book tour.
1914
01:42:10,087 --> 01:42:14,241
And his manager in the movie
is John Saxon, who is a delight.
1915
01:42:14,265 --> 01:42:16,678
It's such a complete
departure for him
1916
01:42:16,702 --> 01:42:18,811
from being Lieutenant Thompson
1917
01:42:18,835 --> 01:42:20,378
in the "Nightmare
on Elm Street" movies.
1918
01:42:20,402 --> 01:42:22,249
Doesn't it drop off?
Drop off?
1919
01:42:22,273 --> 01:42:24,077
Yeah, I mean, if you make
a quick movement,
1920
01:42:24,101 --> 01:42:25,208
won't it slip off?
1921
01:42:25,232 --> 01:42:27,515
Look...
1922
01:42:27,539 --> 01:42:29,256
I really love Daria Nicolodi
in it,
1923
01:42:29,280 --> 01:42:32,172
who was a frequent collaborator
with Dario Argento,
1924
01:42:32,196 --> 01:42:34,261
and I don't think
she gets enough credit
1925
01:42:34,285 --> 01:42:36,480
for the writing
that she did with him.
1926
01:42:36,504 --> 01:42:39,178
Some of the camerawork
in that movie is absolutely,
1927
01:42:39,202 --> 01:42:41,030
like, just astonishingly great.
1928
01:42:48,254 --> 01:42:52,998
The way that that camera moves
is so fluid and so wonderful.
1929
01:42:57,786 --> 01:43:02,419
There is this huge switch
that happens in the movie.
1930
01:43:02,443 --> 01:43:04,899
You think you know the game
that's being played,
1931
01:43:04,923 --> 01:43:07,032
and then ultimately,
halfway through the movie,
1932
01:43:07,056 --> 01:43:09,145
it takes a completely
different direction.
1933
01:43:15,281 --> 01:43:17,259
A woman is sitting in her house,
1934
01:43:17,283 --> 01:43:19,174
and she's sitting there
with a gun in her hand,
1935
01:43:19,198 --> 01:43:21,786
and the killer, out of nowhere,
just kind of comes to the window
1936
01:43:21,810 --> 01:43:23,681
and chops her hand off
with the gun in it.
1937
01:43:26,728 --> 01:43:28,488
And then she gets up,
1938
01:43:28,512 --> 01:43:32,318
and there's just this crimson
spray of blood everywhere,
1939
01:43:32,342 --> 01:43:34,146
and, of course,
everything has white walls.
1940
01:43:34,170 --> 01:43:36,496
So it looks amazing.
1941
01:43:36,520 --> 01:43:38,368
It's beautiful.
1942
01:43:38,392 --> 01:43:40,631
Like it shouldn't be beautiful,
this should be horrifying.
1943
01:43:40,655 --> 01:43:43,198
But yet there's something
so stunning about the way
1944
01:43:43,222 --> 01:43:45,853
that that blood would hit,
and especially Italian blood
1945
01:43:45,877 --> 01:43:49,248
was always notoriously much more
red and much more vibrant
1946
01:43:49,272 --> 01:43:52,512
than the blood we were
using here in the States.
1947
01:43:52,536 --> 01:43:55,428
It really captures
everything that you love about
1948
01:43:55,452 --> 01:43:57,212
Giallo movies, but does it
in a different way
1949
01:43:57,236 --> 01:43:59,476
that we really hadn't seen
from him before.
1950
01:43:59,500 --> 01:44:02,609
It's one of the standouts
amongst Argento's filmography,
1951
01:44:02,633 --> 01:44:05,114
specifically during the 1980s.
1952
01:44:13,601 --> 01:44:15,230
Announcer: "C.H.U.D."...
1953
01:44:15,254 --> 01:44:20,366
Cannibalistic humanoid
underground dwellers.
1954
01:44:20,390 --> 01:44:23,282
Janisse: "C.H.U.D." stars
John Hurt and Daniel Stern.
1955
01:44:23,306 --> 01:44:26,111
It's got early appearances
by Coen brothers mainstays
1956
01:44:26,135 --> 01:44:28,026
like Jon Polito as a newscaster,
1957
01:44:28,050 --> 01:44:32,073
and John Goodman, who alongside
Jay Thomas, are cops in a diner.
1958
01:44:32,097 --> 01:44:34,230
Ah.
1959
01:44:38,060 --> 01:44:42,693
The concept of going underground
and mutant homeless people
1960
01:44:42,717 --> 01:44:45,173
that are mutated
through the nuclear waste
1961
01:44:45,197 --> 01:44:46,479
that was
being stored underground
1962
01:44:46,503 --> 01:44:48,089
in New York, and it was great.
1963
01:44:48,113 --> 01:44:50,222
So it certainly had that
"Death Wish,"
1964
01:44:50,246 --> 01:44:52,353
dirty New York setting
1965
01:44:52,377 --> 01:44:55,661
with the isolation
of the underground tunnels,
1966
01:44:55,685 --> 01:44:56,991
and then the mutant monsters.
1967
01:45:00,255 --> 01:45:01,996
Shit!
1968
01:45:04,738 --> 01:45:07,412
So it had a great mixture
of elements.
1969
01:45:07,436 --> 01:45:10,241
The idea of cannibalistic
humanoid underground dwellers
1970
01:45:10,265 --> 01:45:11,721
is a brilliant one, really.
1971
01:45:11,745 --> 01:45:13,200
And then obviously the bit
at the start,
1972
01:45:13,224 --> 01:45:15,942
where the puppy and the woman
get pulled out
1973
01:45:15,966 --> 01:45:17,533
from the underground manhole.
1974
01:45:28,588 --> 01:45:30,827
Announcer:
It's only a movie,
1975
01:45:30,851 --> 01:45:32,853
but it's more than enough.
1976
01:45:35,943 --> 01:45:38,878
"Terror in the Aisles"
is a great compilation film
1977
01:45:38,902 --> 01:45:41,228
and it really does explore
the thoughts,
1978
01:45:41,252 --> 01:45:44,362
the feelings,
the how and the why of it all.
1979
01:45:44,386 --> 01:45:47,060
Say, how'd they do that?
1980
01:45:47,084 --> 01:45:48,714
That's the trick, isn't it?
1981
01:45:48,738 --> 01:45:51,045
Once the lights go down.
1982
01:45:52,612 --> 01:45:55,068
You're only watching clips
of these movies,
1983
01:45:55,092 --> 01:46:00,291
but somehow, all put
together like that,
1984
01:46:00,315 --> 01:46:02,728
it was absolutely terrifying.
1985
01:46:02,752 --> 01:46:05,514
And unfortunately,
in these movies,
1986
01:46:05,538 --> 01:46:08,125
the victim is almost
always a woman.
1987
01:46:08,149 --> 01:46:10,997
And I watched it on a VHS,
and I remember having to stop it
1988
01:46:11,021 --> 01:46:14,958
because I was getting
so rattled by it.
1989
01:46:14,982 --> 01:46:16,026
Get him!
1990
01:46:18,159 --> 01:46:20,485
It certainly packs
a very different punch.
1991
01:46:20,509 --> 01:46:23,662
It's... it's pretty frightening.
1992
01:46:23,686 --> 01:46:25,925
Why make up horrible things
1993
01:46:25,949 --> 01:46:30,234
when there is so much...
real terror?
1994
01:46:30,258 --> 01:46:33,454
We can enjoy the jeopardy,
we can have a good scream,
1995
01:46:33,478 --> 01:46:35,282
a good laugh,
and laugh at ourselves
1996
01:46:35,306 --> 01:46:37,981
for having been tricked
the way we have.
1997
01:46:38,005 --> 01:46:40,331
It's just fun.
You know, it's just a fun thing.
1998
01:46:40,355 --> 01:46:45,554
And you're sitting in a theater,
which is... relatively safe.
1999
01:46:45,578 --> 01:46:47,033
There are two reasons
that I wanted to do
2000
01:46:47,057 --> 01:46:48,818
"Terror in the Aisles."
2001
01:46:48,842 --> 01:46:50,776
I love the idea of it,
I love those movies, you know,
2002
01:46:50,800 --> 01:46:53,605
and I think those genres
are really great and...
2003
01:46:53,629 --> 01:46:55,607
but I also wanted to meet
Donald Pleasence,
2004
01:46:55,631 --> 01:46:57,304
who I was a great fan of,
2005
01:46:57,328 --> 01:46:59,089
and I didn't get to meet him,
so I was devastated.
2006
01:46:59,113 --> 01:47:01,657
That was shocking...
2007
01:47:01,681 --> 01:47:03,378
wasn't it?
2008
01:47:10,123 --> 01:47:12,405
Announcer: You've made it
through Halloween.
2009
01:47:12,429 --> 01:47:15,495
Now try and survive Christmas.
2010
01:47:15,519 --> 01:47:19,021
"Silent Night, Deadly Night"
is about Catholic guilt,
2011
01:47:19,045 --> 01:47:20,307
I think.
2012
01:47:24,050 --> 01:47:26,898
I didn't really even know the
controversy until years later,
2013
01:47:26,922 --> 01:47:30,336
when it came to pass that, like,
this was the harsh, black mark
2014
01:47:30,360 --> 01:47:32,382
on Christmas of '84.
2015
01:47:32,406 --> 01:47:36,995
There was a big hue and cry
about turning Santa Claus
2016
01:47:37,019 --> 01:47:38,934
into a serial killer.
2017
01:47:41,894 --> 01:47:45,438
This scared people
and made it want to be banned.
2018
01:47:45,462 --> 01:47:49,181
Punishment is necessary, Pamela.
2019
01:47:49,205 --> 01:47:51,227
It is... No!
2020
01:47:51,251 --> 01:47:53,142
Good!
2021
01:47:53,166 --> 01:47:55,187
"Silent Night, Deadly Night"
tells the story of Billy,
2022
01:47:55,211 --> 01:47:57,320
who, as a child,
2023
01:47:57,344 --> 01:47:59,888
witnesses his family
get murdered
2024
01:47:59,912 --> 01:48:03,108
by someone dressed
as Santa Claus.
2025
01:48:03,132 --> 01:48:07,025
Flash-forward to when Billy
becomes 18,
2026
01:48:07,049 --> 01:48:10,899
and he is now
a strapping young lad.
2027
01:48:10,923 --> 01:48:14,772
Merry Christmas, everyone,
ho ho ho!
2028
01:48:14,796 --> 01:48:16,513
Merry Christmas.
2029
01:48:16,537 --> 01:48:18,167
One thing leads to another,
2030
01:48:18,191 --> 01:48:20,256
and Billy is completely
triggered
2031
01:48:20,280 --> 01:48:24,414
and goes on a massive
killing spree dressed as Santa.
2032
01:48:32,161 --> 01:48:34,183
The trigger, when that happens,
2033
01:48:34,207 --> 01:48:37,142
you can totally understand it.
2034
01:48:37,166 --> 01:48:39,797
There's a death
involving antlers on a wall,
2035
01:48:39,821 --> 01:48:41,190
which is... which is great.
2036
01:48:41,214 --> 01:48:42,519
Punish!
No!
2037
01:48:45,044 --> 01:48:47,109
Quigley:
He impales me on antlers,
2038
01:48:47,133 --> 01:48:49,372
so never answer the door
to strangers.
2039
01:48:49,396 --> 01:48:51,679
Punish!
Aah!
2040
01:48:51,703 --> 01:48:53,768
I had a talk with the director.
2041
01:48:53,792 --> 01:48:55,030
I said,
"She wouldn't be topless.
2042
01:48:55,054 --> 01:48:57,554
A woman would, you know,
put on a top,
2043
01:48:57,578 --> 01:48:59,861
maybe not her bottoms
to go upstairs.
2044
01:48:59,885 --> 01:49:01,514
That's just what
a woman would do."
2045
01:49:01,538 --> 01:49:04,604
And he's like, "Well, we have
to have you topless,
2046
01:49:04,628 --> 01:49:06,563
because the antlers
are gonna come out."
2047
01:49:06,587 --> 01:49:09,348
I think there was
another reason behind it.
2048
01:49:09,372 --> 01:49:11,481
I had to be lifted up
a billion times
2049
01:49:11,505 --> 01:49:13,744
to get on the antlers
by a stunt man.
2050
01:49:13,768 --> 01:49:17,052
I don't know how he did it,
but he's like
2051
01:49:17,076 --> 01:49:20,055
again and again
and having blood capsules
2052
01:49:20,079 --> 01:49:22,752
come out my mouth
and doing it at the right time.
2053
01:49:22,776 --> 01:49:24,909
It was... it was an ordeal.
2054
01:49:28,826 --> 01:49:32,370
It's crazy how two-dimensional
most of these movies are,
2055
01:49:32,394 --> 01:49:33,807
and yet you have a movie
2056
01:49:33,831 --> 01:49:35,286
like "Silent Night,
Deadly Night,"
2057
01:49:35,310 --> 01:49:38,463
that gives character
development and depth
2058
01:49:38,487 --> 01:49:42,554
and reasons why this guy
is wreaking havoc on people.
2059
01:49:42,578 --> 01:49:45,688
And yet people wanted
to shut this down.
2060
01:49:45,712 --> 01:49:47,603
I was like, "Are you kidding?"
2061
01:49:47,627 --> 01:49:51,476
Quigley: I'm so glad that
the mothers wanted it banned,
2062
01:49:51,500 --> 01:49:53,740
because it made a lot of money
2063
01:49:53,764 --> 01:49:55,564
and it got a lot of attention
because of that.
2064
01:50:07,690 --> 01:50:10,606
Announcer:
Dangerous or dead.
2065
01:50:11,825 --> 01:50:13,348
"Razorback."
2066
01:50:15,350 --> 01:50:18,416
"Razorback" is a beautiful film,
2067
01:50:18,440 --> 01:50:20,288
and I don't throw
that term around lightly.
2068
01:50:20,312 --> 01:50:23,639
I mean, it is an absolutely
gorgeous film.
2069
01:50:23,663 --> 01:50:25,336
It's directed
by Russell Mulcahy,
2070
01:50:25,360 --> 01:50:27,164
who is an Australian director
2071
01:50:27,188 --> 01:50:30,951
who shortly after this, would go
off to direct "Highlander."
2072
01:50:30,975 --> 01:50:32,300
It's one of the best
2073
01:50:32,324 --> 01:50:34,998
of the "nature run amok"
subgenre horror.
2074
01:50:35,022 --> 01:50:38,480
It's a movie about a giant boar,
2075
01:50:38,504 --> 01:50:40,787
a boar that is
three times larger
2076
01:50:40,811 --> 01:50:44,834
than any of the boars
that anyone there has ever seen.
2077
01:50:44,858 --> 01:50:49,099
As you know, everything in
Australia wants to kill you.
2078
01:50:49,123 --> 01:50:51,493
So this is the perfect
setting for that.
2079
01:50:51,517 --> 01:50:54,191
It starts off with
this giant boar
2080
01:50:54,215 --> 01:50:57,281
that rips through a house
and kills a child,
2081
01:50:57,305 --> 01:50:59,481
while his grandfather's
watching it.
2082
01:51:01,919 --> 01:51:03,529
Oh, God, Scotty!
2083
01:51:06,575 --> 01:51:08,249
Everyone in the town
2084
01:51:08,273 --> 01:51:11,556
thinks that the grandfather
has killed this kid.
2085
01:51:11,580 --> 01:51:16,890
So he's spending the rest of
his life hunting this razorback.
2086
01:51:22,548 --> 01:51:24,178
Aaah!
2087
01:51:24,202 --> 01:51:26,571
The movie shifts because
you initially think
2088
01:51:26,595 --> 01:51:28,399
it's gonna be
about the grandfather,
2089
01:51:28,423 --> 01:51:31,881
then you think it's gonna
be about the woman
2090
01:51:31,905 --> 01:51:33,970
who is the reporter
who's going to Australia
2091
01:51:33,994 --> 01:51:35,580
to investigate this.
2092
01:51:35,604 --> 01:51:38,650
But then she ends up
getting killed by the razorback.
2093
01:51:42,567 --> 01:51:45,502
And then her husband flies
out to Australia
2094
01:51:45,526 --> 01:51:48,027
to find out
what happened to his wife.
2095
01:51:48,051 --> 01:51:52,727
So the movie then shifts again,
to be about the husband.
2096
01:51:52,751 --> 01:51:55,861
The giant razorback
is incredible.
2097
01:51:55,885 --> 01:51:58,472
You don't see it very much,
but you see it enough,
2098
01:51:58,496 --> 01:52:00,778
and it's terrifying.
2099
01:52:00,802 --> 01:52:03,022
It is still legitimately scary.
2100
01:52:08,201 --> 01:52:11,006
The color palette that they use
is just gorgeous.
2101
01:52:11,030 --> 01:52:14,140
It is not something you would
expect to see
2102
01:52:14,164 --> 01:52:15,750
in a movie called "Razorback."
2103
01:52:15,774 --> 01:52:18,013
You're expecting blood and guts
and violence.
2104
01:52:18,037 --> 01:52:19,754
You wouldn't really expect
to see
2105
01:52:19,778 --> 01:52:21,345
this stunningly beautiful film.
2106
01:52:24,391 --> 01:52:27,829
It's okay, it's okay.
2107
01:52:32,617 --> 01:52:35,422
Well, the big rock star in terms
of makeup effects
2108
01:52:35,446 --> 01:52:38,381
in the '80s
was undeniably Tom Savini.
2109
01:52:38,405 --> 01:52:41,471
He kind of cornered the market
in gore for the early '80s
2110
01:52:41,495 --> 01:52:44,126
and did it better
than anybody else.
2111
01:52:44,150 --> 01:52:46,259
The '80s was
the splatter decade.
2112
01:52:46,283 --> 01:52:48,478
That was my decade, you know.
2113
01:52:48,502 --> 01:52:51,829
I was called the Sultan
of Splatter, the Wizard of Gore.
2114
01:52:51,853 --> 01:52:55,007
And it was the one-two punch
of "Dawn of the Dead"
2115
01:52:55,031 --> 01:52:58,227
and then "Friday the 13th"
that catapulted my career.
2116
01:52:58,251 --> 01:53:01,230
In fact, "Friday the 13th"
wouldn't exist
2117
01:53:01,254 --> 01:53:03,667
if George hadn't done
and hired me
2118
01:53:03,691 --> 01:53:06,018
for "Dawn of the Dead."
2119
01:53:06,042 --> 01:53:09,935
One movie after another
got me work with other directors
2120
01:53:09,959 --> 01:53:11,327
who saw those movies.
2121
01:53:11,351 --> 01:53:12,938
So Sean Cunningham saw "Dawn"
and said,
2122
01:53:12,962 --> 01:53:14,852
"We got to get this guy."
2123
01:53:14,876 --> 01:53:18,117
Tom Savini came to us and said,
"You know what I want to do?"
2124
01:53:18,141 --> 01:53:19,683
I said,
"What do you want to do?"
2125
01:53:19,707 --> 01:53:21,903
He said, "I want to cut
somebody's head off...
2126
01:53:21,927 --> 01:53:24,775
on screen.
It's never been done."
2127
01:53:24,799 --> 01:53:26,734
I said, "Really?"
2128
01:53:26,758 --> 01:53:28,779
He said, "No, it's never been
done, and it could be great."
2129
01:53:28,803 --> 01:53:30,259
I said,
"How are we gonna do it?"
2130
01:53:30,283 --> 01:53:32,198
He said, "Well, we have
to figure it out."
2131
01:53:34,461 --> 01:53:35,810
Aah!
2132
01:53:40,511 --> 01:53:45,100
I always feel that Tom Savini
is the godfather of all of this,
2133
01:53:45,124 --> 01:53:48,277
and in a lot of ways,
of sheer invention.
2134
01:53:48,301 --> 01:53:50,564
You know, the script says
this happens.
2135
01:53:54,872 --> 01:53:56,328
How the fuck does that happen?
2136
01:53:56,352 --> 01:53:58,417
When I was growing up trying
to learn makeup,
2137
01:53:58,441 --> 01:54:00,114
there was no place to learn.
2138
01:54:00,138 --> 01:54:01,420
Nobody wanted to share
their secrets.
2139
01:54:01,444 --> 01:54:04,379
Limitations make you
more creative.
2140
01:54:04,403 --> 01:54:07,774
Limitations... not enough time,
not enough people,
2141
01:54:07,798 --> 01:54:10,168
not enough materials,
not enough money.
2142
01:54:10,192 --> 01:54:13,258
Now, Robo Chimp could, um...
2143
01:54:13,282 --> 01:54:14,868
you know,
he could open his mouth
2144
01:54:14,892 --> 01:54:16,783
and make his head move
left and right.
2145
01:54:16,807 --> 01:54:18,654
And then "Martin,"
there was a stake
2146
01:54:18,678 --> 01:54:21,179
that goes through
a guy's neck, you know?
2147
01:54:21,203 --> 01:54:23,833
So George said, "We're gonna go
to a slaughterhouse
2148
01:54:23,857 --> 01:54:27,402
and maybe get a lamb neck and
stick a stick in a lamb neck."
2149
01:54:27,426 --> 01:54:29,056
I said, "No, no,
2150
01:54:29,080 --> 01:54:31,450
you need to see the guy's face
when that happens."
2151
01:54:31,474 --> 01:54:33,147
"Well, how are you gonna
do that?"
2152
01:54:33,171 --> 01:54:35,410
"I don't know.
I'll figure it out, okay?"
2153
01:54:35,434 --> 01:54:38,239
And it wound up being exactly
how I killed Kevin Bacon
2154
01:54:38,263 --> 01:54:40,067
in "Friday the 13th."
2155
01:54:40,091 --> 01:54:42,050
In "Martin," the stake
went in the front.
2156
01:54:44,791 --> 01:54:47,553
In "Friday the 13th,"
I brought the arrow
2157
01:54:47,577 --> 01:54:50,710
from behind
the fake neck appliance.
2158
01:54:54,845 --> 01:54:57,084
But it's the same kind
of an appliance
2159
01:54:57,108 --> 01:54:59,826
that Kevin Bacon
stuck his head into,
2160
01:54:59,850 --> 01:55:02,350
that the guy in "Martin"
stuck his head into,
2161
01:55:02,374 --> 01:55:04,222
that Ned Eisenberg,
in "The Burning,"
2162
01:55:04,246 --> 01:55:05,788
stuck his head into.
2163
01:55:05,812 --> 01:55:09,444
I did that effect
over and over again.
2164
01:55:09,468 --> 01:55:12,621
Usually if there's
a rubber weapon involved,
2165
01:55:12,645 --> 01:55:14,884
we try to establish
the real weapon,
2166
01:55:14,908 --> 01:55:17,757
taking a chunk out of the wall
or in "Friday the 13th,"
2167
01:55:17,781 --> 01:55:19,585
the hatchet
taking out the light bulb
2168
01:55:19,609 --> 01:55:22,090
before the rubber axe
goes into the girl's head.
2169
01:55:25,963 --> 01:55:28,768
So in your mind,
there's no separation.
2170
01:55:28,792 --> 01:55:31,205
My books are called
"Grand Illusions."
2171
01:55:31,229 --> 01:55:33,642
My books about special
makeup effects,
2172
01:55:33,666 --> 01:55:36,254
because that's how I think
of them, as magic tricks.
2173
01:55:36,278 --> 01:55:39,996
Because it may surprise
you to hear from me
2174
01:55:40,020 --> 01:55:43,130
that I believe
the less you show,
2175
01:55:43,154 --> 01:55:46,133
the more effective stuff is,
you know.
2176
01:55:46,157 --> 01:55:47,517
I'm the guy
that showed everything.
2177
01:55:49,508 --> 01:55:51,486
But on "Creepshow,"
I had never done anything
2178
01:55:51,510 --> 01:55:56,230
like Fluffy before,
an animatronic creature/monster.
2179
01:55:56,254 --> 01:55:58,754
So I called Rob Bottin,
and he taught me
2180
01:55:58,778 --> 01:56:00,693
how to do it over the phone.
2181
01:56:04,349 --> 01:56:07,067
"Creepshow" was five movies,
you know,
2182
01:56:07,091 --> 01:56:10,330
with monsters and Nate's corpse,
which to me was...
2183
01:56:10,354 --> 01:56:12,748
Was an exciting thing to do.
2184
01:56:13,836 --> 01:56:16,099
I want my cake.
2185
01:56:17,709 --> 01:56:20,471
The first thing you see is
Raul's corpse,
2186
01:56:20,495 --> 01:56:22,647
the thing in the window,
you know,
2187
01:56:22,671 --> 01:56:26,651
so it was a real skeleton
that I animated with all these,
2188
01:56:26,675 --> 01:56:30,002
you know, he could smile,
his fingers could do this.
2189
01:56:30,026 --> 01:56:33,310
He did a bunch of stuff.
2190
01:56:33,334 --> 01:56:36,400
I did not turn Stephen King
into the plant,
2191
01:56:36,424 --> 01:56:38,948
but I did blow the top
of his head off.
2192
01:56:41,690 --> 01:56:44,103
I was up in the ceiling
pulling stuff out of him
2193
01:56:44,127 --> 01:56:45,365
while hitting blood explosions.
2194
01:56:45,389 --> 01:56:47,541
It was pretty complicated stuff.
2195
01:56:47,565 --> 01:56:50,979
And the cockroaches...
Oh, my God, the cockroaches.
2196
01:56:51,003 --> 01:56:54,809
I was never in the same room
with those cockroaches.
2197
01:56:54,833 --> 01:56:56,550
I would be outside
a sealed room,
2198
01:56:56,574 --> 01:56:58,204
looking through glass.
2199
01:56:58,228 --> 01:56:59,988
"Okay, cue the blood," you know?
2200
01:57:00,012 --> 01:57:01,599
Alright, pump the roaches."
2201
01:57:01,623 --> 01:57:03,557
Because there were
two entomologists
2202
01:57:03,581 --> 01:57:06,560
with huge syringes
full with roaches.
2203
01:57:06,584 --> 01:57:08,083
We pumped blood on them
2204
01:57:08,107 --> 01:57:09,868
so they would leave
little bloody footprints.
2205
01:57:09,892 --> 01:57:11,739
Man: Mr. Pratt!
2206
01:57:11,763 --> 01:57:14,568
"Creepshow" was my opportunity
2207
01:57:14,592 --> 01:57:16,788
to create monsters
and characters,
2208
01:57:16,812 --> 01:57:20,250
you know, not just cutting
throats and blowing heads off.
2209
01:57:22,121 --> 01:57:25,057
"Texas Chainsaw Massacre
2" was another...
2210
01:57:25,081 --> 01:57:26,493
An opportunity like that,
2211
01:57:26,517 --> 01:57:28,519
you know, creating
the old-age makeup.
2212
01:57:32,741 --> 01:57:36,634
"Xiao Sheng Pa Pa" is a horror
movie I did in Hong Kong,
2213
01:57:36,658 --> 01:57:38,940
a horror-comedy movie
I did in Hong Kong.
2214
01:57:38,964 --> 01:57:41,073
And all I did was use stuff
from,
2215
01:57:41,097 --> 01:57:42,944
well, some stuff
from "Creepshow."
2216
01:57:42,968 --> 01:57:44,729
Raul, he's in the movie.
2217
01:57:44,753 --> 01:57:46,755
He's just a ghost apparition
at the window.
2218
01:57:50,628 --> 01:57:53,109
But I had to build lots
of monsters and things.
2219
01:57:55,459 --> 01:57:56,828
And the two leads,
they were like
2220
01:57:56,852 --> 01:57:59,134
the Abbott and Costello
of Hong Kong.
2221
01:57:59,158 --> 01:58:00,962
I didn't understand a word
of what was going on.
2222
01:58:00,986 --> 01:58:03,617
But, you know, but I built
some elaborate effects
2223
01:58:03,641 --> 01:58:05,358
for that movie.
2224
01:58:05,382 --> 01:58:07,404
Listen, don't talk to me
about interpreters.
2225
01:58:07,428 --> 01:58:10,320
We sent him out for Super Glue,
2226
01:58:10,344 --> 01:58:13,845
and he came back with a case
of condoms, you know.
2227
01:58:13,869 --> 01:58:15,760
And he's the interpreter, okay?
2228
01:58:15,784 --> 01:58:18,284
Williams: I met Tom.
2229
01:58:18,308 --> 01:58:22,157
He opened up the dictionary
of forensic pathology.
2230
01:58:22,181 --> 01:58:25,682
And I saw genuine photos
of murder victims,
2231
01:58:25,706 --> 01:58:29,729
drowning victims,
accident victims, you name it,
2232
01:58:29,753 --> 01:58:32,863
every variety of death
that the human body can endure
2233
01:58:32,887 --> 01:58:34,212
was in those pages.
2234
01:58:34,236 --> 01:58:35,822
And then I went through his lab,
2235
01:58:35,846 --> 01:58:38,172
and I looked at
what people were creating.
2236
01:58:38,196 --> 01:58:41,088
The reality of it
was extraordinary.
2237
01:58:41,112 --> 01:58:44,178
I'm the only makeup artist
that has seen the real stuff.
2238
01:58:44,202 --> 01:58:46,180
I was a combat photographer
in Vietnam.
2239
01:58:46,204 --> 01:58:48,705
I saw horrible stuff, okay?
2240
01:58:48,729 --> 01:58:52,012
You know, if you see a movie,
a guy's wearing a white shirt,
2241
01:58:52,036 --> 01:58:53,492
and there's blood on it,
2242
01:58:53,516 --> 01:58:55,799
and the blood looks like
strawberry Kool-Aid,
2243
01:58:55,823 --> 01:58:58,149
the makeup artist
didn't add green to the blood
2244
01:58:58,173 --> 01:58:59,977
because it's going
on something white.
2245
01:59:00,001 --> 01:59:01,587
You have to do that.
2246
01:59:01,611 --> 01:59:03,633
In fact, here's the formula...
2247
01:59:03,657 --> 01:59:06,331
A gallon of blood,
32 drops of green,
2248
01:59:06,355 --> 01:59:08,115
and that blood can go
on something light
2249
01:59:08,139 --> 01:59:10,683
and still look
deep red like blood.
2250
01:59:10,707 --> 01:59:13,686
A little helpful hint
for you here.
2251
01:59:13,710 --> 01:59:15,471
Everything that we do today,
2252
01:59:15,495 --> 01:59:17,342
as special makeup effect
artists,
2253
01:59:17,366 --> 01:59:19,083
was invented by Dick Smith.
2254
01:59:19,107 --> 01:59:21,825
We enhance it, elaborate,
make it better, you know,
2255
01:59:21,849 --> 01:59:25,655
but he invented all the stuff
that we... that we do today.
2256
01:59:25,679 --> 01:59:27,396
If you've seen
"Dawn of the Dead,"
2257
01:59:27,420 --> 01:59:30,224
the blood is atrocious.
2258
01:59:30,248 --> 01:59:32,749
The blood looks like
melted crayons.
2259
01:59:32,773 --> 01:59:34,925
So on the way
to "Friday the 13th,"
2260
01:59:34,949 --> 01:59:38,624
driving to Connecticut,
we went to Dick Smith's house.
2261
01:59:38,648 --> 01:59:41,366
And he gave us the blood
formula, his blood formula,
2262
01:59:41,390 --> 01:59:43,716
which is the blood formula.
2263
01:59:43,740 --> 01:59:46,240
The blood in "Friday the 13th"
is the first time
2264
01:59:46,264 --> 01:59:49,200
the blood looked real to me.
2265
01:59:49,224 --> 01:59:51,507
I wish I had my school
growing up,
2266
01:59:51,531 --> 01:59:54,423
where you could go and learn
all this stuff, you know.
2267
01:59:54,447 --> 01:59:58,078
It's important
for film students, let's say,
2268
01:59:58,102 --> 02:00:01,255
to study films from the past.
2269
02:00:01,279 --> 02:00:03,040
If you're surrounded by people,
2270
02:00:03,064 --> 02:00:07,261
like I am with students
coming into my school,
2271
02:00:07,285 --> 02:00:10,003
and they don't know
who Boris Karloff is,
2272
02:00:10,027 --> 02:00:12,441
you're deprived.
2273
02:00:12,465 --> 02:00:14,617
I mean, if you're gonna be
a makeup artist, you know,
2274
02:00:14,641 --> 02:00:17,924
do some research on some of the
greatest monsters or creatures
2275
02:00:17,948 --> 02:00:20,579
or makeups that were
ever created, you know.
2276
02:00:20,603 --> 02:00:24,496
The first sentence in my book
on makeup effects is,
2277
02:00:24,520 --> 02:00:26,411
"The more you do,
the more you get to do."
2278
02:00:26,435 --> 02:00:29,283
That's the thrill of creativity,
2279
02:00:29,307 --> 02:00:33,200
that idea of taking a blob
of clay or taking a blank page,
2280
02:00:33,224 --> 02:00:35,855
you're giving life to something
that never existed
2281
02:00:35,879 --> 02:00:39,534
and that... that's thrilling.
2282
02:00:52,982 --> 02:00:54,786
Announcer: "Ghoulies"
2283
02:00:54,810 --> 02:00:57,659
They'll get you in the end!
2284
02:00:57,683 --> 02:00:58,964
"Ghoulies."
2285
02:00:58,988 --> 02:01:01,053
Well, first there was
"Gremlins,"
2286
02:01:01,077 --> 02:01:02,881
then there was "Ghoulies."
2287
02:01:02,905 --> 02:01:06,039
And then there was "Munchies,"
and then there was "Hobgoblins."
2288
02:01:07,649 --> 02:01:09,584
When you have a picture
that's successful,
2289
02:01:09,608 --> 02:01:12,674
people might want to immediately
rush out an imitation.
2290
02:01:12,698 --> 02:01:15,851
The fact that the ad has the
ghoulie coming out of a toilet,
2291
02:01:15,875 --> 02:01:20,595
I think probably expresses my
feelings about the whole series.
2292
02:01:20,619 --> 02:01:22,640
I did enjoy the "Ghoulies"
movies.
2293
02:01:22,664 --> 02:01:25,382
In fact, I did one of them,
"Ghoulies Go to College."
2294
02:01:25,406 --> 02:01:27,471
I'm hungry again.
2295
02:01:27,495 --> 02:01:29,821
I was stunt coordinator on it
2296
02:01:29,845 --> 02:01:34,522
and played the character falling
in a mop bucket, ass first.
2297
02:01:34,546 --> 02:01:36,611
Get out of the way!
2298
02:01:36,635 --> 02:01:38,482
Whoa!
2299
02:01:38,506 --> 02:01:41,093
Ohhh!
2300
02:01:41,117 --> 02:01:43,182
The greatest thing about
"Ghoulies" is something
2301
02:01:43,206 --> 02:01:45,620
that almost didn't make it
into the movie.
2302
02:01:45,644 --> 02:01:48,144
They watched it and said,
"Where's the scene
2303
02:01:48,168 --> 02:01:49,885
with the Ghoulie
coming out of the toilet?"
2304
02:01:49,909 --> 02:01:51,756
They said, "Well, we just did
that for the poster."
2305
02:01:51,780 --> 02:01:54,716
"No, you need to put this scene
in the movie."
2306
02:01:54,740 --> 02:01:56,500
So they went back
and re-shot the scene,
2307
02:01:56,524 --> 02:01:58,197
the Ghoulie coming out
of the toilet.
2308
02:01:58,221 --> 02:02:01,442
And whenever somebody says
Ghoulies, they always love that.
2309
02:02:03,618 --> 02:02:06,075
And, of course, that ties in
with the tagline.
2310
02:02:06,099 --> 02:02:09,165
Ghoulies.
They'll get you in the end!
2311
02:02:09,189 --> 02:02:10,993
Literally.
2312
02:02:11,017 --> 02:02:13,778
So if I had to give my blessing
to any of the rip-offs,
2313
02:02:13,802 --> 02:02:16,302
I would definitely choose
the "Critters" series.
2314
02:02:16,326 --> 02:02:19,262
However, I feel remiss in
criticizing anybody's rip-offs
2315
02:02:19,286 --> 02:02:20,959
when my first picture
was "Piranha,"
2316
02:02:20,983 --> 02:02:22,265
which is a rip-off of "Jaws."
2317
02:02:22,289 --> 02:02:25,268
You know so I'm not -
2318
02:02:25,292 --> 02:02:27,662
just, you know,
walk around and tinkle a bell
2319
02:02:27,686 --> 02:02:29,426
and yell "unclean"
and all of that.
2320
02:02:35,389 --> 02:02:37,696
Go back home!
2321
02:02:41,526 --> 02:02:46,071
During the heyday of
the video boom, early '80s,
2322
02:02:46,095 --> 02:02:48,639
there were so many videos
on the shelves
2323
02:02:48,663 --> 02:02:52,469
that you had to do something
to grab people's attention.
2324
02:02:52,493 --> 02:02:54,688
I used to love all those painted
covers, you know,
2325
02:02:54,712 --> 02:02:57,299
like "Cannibal Holocaust,"
"Cannibal Ferox."
2326
02:02:57,323 --> 02:03:00,128
As the years went on,
they became more and more lurid
2327
02:03:00,152 --> 02:03:04,349
because they had to compete
and threw was so much in there.
2328
02:03:04,373 --> 02:03:05,786
"Cannibal Holocaust"
is interesting
2329
02:03:05,810 --> 02:03:07,831
because it is the first
2330
02:03:07,855 --> 02:03:10,486
in a whole kind of wave
of found-footage movies,
2331
02:03:10,510 --> 02:03:12,314
where you didn't know
if it was real or not.
2332
02:03:12,338 --> 02:03:15,167
Of course, by the time I saw it,
you knew that it wasn't real.
2333
02:03:20,041 --> 02:03:21,845
Much like
"The Blair Witch Project"
2334
02:03:21,869 --> 02:03:24,500
when it first came out,
people weren't sure.
2335
02:03:24,524 --> 02:03:27,242
Deodato even was brought up
in criminal charges
2336
02:03:27,266 --> 02:03:29,137
of filming actual murders.
2337
02:03:33,185 --> 02:03:35,293
There's phases that take
place in... in horror movies,
2338
02:03:35,317 --> 02:03:39,863
the found footage,
Amazon jungle, torture porn,
2339
02:03:39,887 --> 02:03:41,865
"Cannibal Holocaust"
and "Cannibal Ferox."
2340
02:03:41,889 --> 02:03:43,954
For a time, I thought
they were the same movie
2341
02:03:43,978 --> 02:03:46,087
with different titles.
2342
02:03:46,111 --> 02:03:47,436
One would kind of look
like the other,
2343
02:03:47,460 --> 02:03:50,352
which would look like the other.
2344
02:03:50,376 --> 02:03:52,659
"Cannibal Holocaust" has
a couple scenes in it
2345
02:03:52,683 --> 02:03:53,964
that you just don't forget,
2346
02:03:53,988 --> 02:03:55,642
the guy getting his cock
chopped off.
2347
02:03:58,427 --> 02:04:00,057
Don't ever go to
the Amazon jungle
2348
02:04:00,081 --> 02:04:02,016
and that way you won't get
your cock chopped off
2349
02:04:02,040 --> 02:04:05,367
by a bunch
of Cannibal Holocaust feroxes.
2350
02:04:05,391 --> 02:04:08,936
The real issue that everybody
talks about, though,
2351
02:04:08,960 --> 02:04:10,415
with "Cannibal Holocaust"
2352
02:04:10,439 --> 02:04:12,374
is not the apparent
deaths of the people.
2353
02:04:12,398 --> 02:04:15,725
It's the deaths of the animals
on screen,
2354
02:04:15,749 --> 02:04:17,988
and that's hard to watch
because that's real.
2355
02:04:18,012 --> 02:04:21,731
Big sea turtle getting
cut up for dinner.
2356
02:04:21,755 --> 02:04:23,757
Fuck, really?!
2357
02:04:26,325 --> 02:04:29,565
So that, I think, is why
some people
2358
02:04:29,589 --> 02:04:32,916
thought that it could be real
because the animal deaths are.
2359
02:04:32,940 --> 02:04:35,397
You're watching literal
animal-snuff films.
2360
02:04:35,421 --> 02:04:38,052
The most popular nasty
of them all
2361
02:04:38,076 --> 02:04:40,837
is a piece of trash
called "Faces of Death,"
2362
02:04:40,861 --> 02:04:43,187
which purports to be
a professor's investigation
2363
02:04:43,211 --> 02:04:44,928
of death worldwide.
2364
02:04:44,952 --> 02:04:47,017
And his effort, he says,
is to gain knowledge
2365
02:04:47,041 --> 02:04:48,584
about the fragility of man.
2366
02:04:48,608 --> 02:04:50,238
Sure, and I'm the Easter Bunny.
2367
02:04:50,262 --> 02:04:51,543
"Faces of Death."
2368
02:04:51,567 --> 02:04:53,154
Somebody's brother's
sister's brother
2369
02:04:53,178 --> 02:04:57,375
had it on some kind of
fifth-, sixth-edition VHS,
2370
02:04:57,399 --> 02:05:02,598
and what it was, was apparent
real-life snuff films
2371
02:05:02,622 --> 02:05:05,253
put together
on this documentary.
2372
02:05:05,277 --> 02:05:07,734
And there was like
"Faces of Death 1"
2373
02:05:07,758 --> 02:05:09,822
through, you know, 27,
or something along those lines,
2374
02:05:09,846 --> 02:05:11,824
and you could never
really find it,
2375
02:05:11,848 --> 02:05:15,784
which made the legend of it
so much more mysterious.
2376
02:05:15,808 --> 02:05:17,133
Man: I find this to be
2377
02:05:17,157 --> 02:05:19,135
a particularly unusual
face of death.
2378
02:05:19,159 --> 02:05:20,876
And that's why you thought,
"Maybe this is real."
2379
02:05:20,900 --> 02:05:24,010
Until you actually saw one
and then you realize,
2380
02:05:24,034 --> 02:05:26,752
"This might not be
as real as you think."
2381
02:05:26,776 --> 02:05:31,147
The Satanic cult, you know,
sacrificing somebody.
2382
02:05:31,171 --> 02:05:32,845
Who's taping this?
Where's this from?
2383
02:05:32,869 --> 02:05:34,324
What's... What is this?
2384
02:05:34,348 --> 02:05:35,630
Why is no one
getting arrested from this?
2385
02:05:35,654 --> 02:05:37,632
But what a strange phase
to go through,
2386
02:05:37,656 --> 02:05:39,373
a fake snuff-film phase.
2387
02:05:39,397 --> 02:05:41,027
Man:
His mutilated body represented
2388
02:05:41,051 --> 02:05:43,464
a violent retaliation
from a creature
2389
02:05:43,488 --> 02:05:46,206
which has suffered
continual abuse from mankind.
2390
02:05:46,230 --> 02:05:48,904
We were fucking weird
as teenagers, man.
2391
02:05:48,928 --> 02:05:50,582
Who would ever want
to watch that?
2392
02:05:59,112 --> 02:06:01,438
Announcer: "The Bride."
2393
02:06:01,462 --> 02:06:05,965
It was a love story
about two people
2394
02:06:05,989 --> 02:06:08,141
that were literally made
for each other,
2395
02:06:08,165 --> 02:06:10,883
but that were separated.
2396
02:06:10,907 --> 02:06:12,275
You fool!
2397
02:06:12,299 --> 02:06:13,799
Imbecile!
2398
02:06:13,823 --> 02:06:15,931
It was a lyrical,
beautiful script.
2399
02:06:15,955 --> 02:06:18,107
You're safe now.
2400
02:06:18,131 --> 02:06:20,066
Safe?
2401
02:06:20,090 --> 02:06:22,721
Frankenstein says that he wants
to create a woman
2402
02:06:22,745 --> 02:06:24,244
who is his equal,
2403
02:06:24,268 --> 02:06:26,333
and, of course,
doing exactly the opposite.
2404
02:06:26,357 --> 02:06:28,552
He's trying to make her
into the image
2405
02:06:28,576 --> 02:06:30,119
of a woman that he wants.
2406
02:06:30,143 --> 02:06:32,861
And Jennifer Beals,
she was the big get
2407
02:06:32,885 --> 02:06:34,887
because she had just come off
of "Flashdance."
2408
02:06:38,282 --> 02:06:40,434
Jennifer, I think,
is sublimely good.
2409
02:06:40,458 --> 02:06:43,176
I don't think anybody gives her
enough credit for the work
2410
02:06:43,200 --> 02:06:44,418
that she did in that movie.
2411
02:06:50,076 --> 02:06:54,622
She's looks magnificent
in the costumes and on the sets.
2412
02:06:54,646 --> 02:06:55,928
I thought she was terrific.
2413
02:06:55,952 --> 02:06:58,234
I thought Sting
was terrific, too.
2414
02:06:58,258 --> 02:07:00,976
There was me
and Rappaport, David.
2415
02:07:01,000 --> 02:07:02,499
We got to be quite good friends.
2416
02:07:02,523 --> 02:07:04,110
Friend?
2417
02:07:04,134 --> 02:07:05,415
Yes.
2418
02:07:05,439 --> 02:07:06,590
Good health.
2419
02:07:06,614 --> 02:07:07,896
Good health.
2420
02:07:07,920 --> 02:07:09,724
Boy, playing the creature,
2421
02:07:09,748 --> 02:07:11,117
it's so rich.
2422
02:07:11,141 --> 02:07:13,772
Of course, the creature
in Shelley's book
2423
02:07:13,796 --> 02:07:16,818
is articulate and sophisticated
2424
02:07:16,842 --> 02:07:21,455
and is the truth seeker and
the truth teller in the movie.
2425
02:07:23,675 --> 02:07:25,913
The popular iteration of it
of Karloff
2426
02:07:25,937 --> 02:07:29,134
and the subsequent
Karloff-esque versions
2427
02:07:29,158 --> 02:07:32,901
of that Universal creature
just make him a brute.
2428
02:07:35,991 --> 02:07:39,622
This was clearly
a romantic version of it.
2429
02:07:39,646 --> 02:07:41,102
He gets more and more handsome
2430
02:07:41,126 --> 02:07:44,323
as the movie goes on,
2431
02:07:44,347 --> 02:07:46,368
which just meant that
the prosthetics got more
2432
02:07:46,392 --> 02:07:48,177
and more handsome.
They did, you know...
2433
02:07:51,354 --> 02:07:55,290
If the script had a flaw,
it's that the two main stars
2434
02:07:55,314 --> 02:07:57,771
had to carry the portion
of the film
2435
02:07:57,795 --> 02:08:00,208
that was the darkest
and the coldest.
2436
02:08:00,232 --> 02:08:02,210
Where have you been all day?
2437
02:08:02,234 --> 02:08:04,125
Riding.
2438
02:08:04,149 --> 02:08:07,085
The job that Sting and Jennifer
had to do
2439
02:08:07,109 --> 02:08:08,956
was to show
how things fall apart.
2440
02:08:08,980 --> 02:08:11,263
They weren't supposed to have
any chemistry.
2441
02:08:11,287 --> 02:08:13,134
Off screen, they actually
did have chemistry.
2442
02:08:13,158 --> 02:08:14,919
I mean, we're all kind of
liked each other.
2443
02:08:14,943 --> 02:08:16,877
On screen, they had to miss.
2444
02:08:16,901 --> 02:08:18,226
I made you out of ashes.
2445
02:08:18,250 --> 02:08:20,838
I can always reduce you
to ashes again.
2446
02:08:20,862 --> 02:08:22,317
You can do what you like!
2447
02:08:22,341 --> 02:08:24,189
I think people miss the point
of that, yeah.
2448
02:08:24,213 --> 02:08:26,974
It's a hopeful message
of how we can, you know,
2449
02:08:26,998 --> 02:08:28,846
we can all get better
from our...
2450
02:08:28,870 --> 02:08:32,110
From even
the most miserable beginnings.
2451
02:08:32,134 --> 02:08:34,721
And we can all find true love.
2452
02:08:34,745 --> 02:08:36,766
That's not really the story.
2453
02:08:36,790 --> 02:08:39,532
It's not Mary Shelley's story,
but that's okay.
2454
02:08:45,190 --> 02:08:47,690
Announcer:
"Nightmare on Elm Street:
2455
02:08:47,714 --> 02:08:49,388
Part 2."
2456
02:08:49,412 --> 02:08:53,000
"Nightmare 1" was a huge,
huge, off-the-charts hit.
2457
02:08:53,024 --> 02:08:54,828
They couldn't believe it.
2458
02:08:54,852 --> 02:08:58,963
"Nightmare 2"... it has some
of the most classic moments
2459
02:08:58,987 --> 02:09:01,661
of the franchise.
2460
02:09:01,685 --> 02:09:06,318
"Nightmare on Elm Street 2"
is about relationships,
2461
02:09:06,342 --> 02:09:11,758
perspectives, and stereotypes
that all get smashed
2462
02:09:11,782 --> 02:09:15,655
once Freddy Krueger
gets his claws in them.
2463
02:09:20,182 --> 02:09:25,293
What we did is utilize the truth
between Mark Patton,
2464
02:09:25,317 --> 02:09:29,036
Jesse Walsh,
and I, Robert Rusler,
2465
02:09:29,060 --> 02:09:33,432
Ron Grady,
and we utilized our own truths.
2466
02:09:33,456 --> 02:09:37,131
And we put it in
the circumstances of the film.
2467
02:09:37,155 --> 02:09:41,004
I didn't have a judgment
about sexuality.
2468
02:09:41,028 --> 02:09:44,268
And that's what I loved
about Grady and Jesse,
2469
02:09:44,292 --> 02:09:46,531
there was no ulterior
motive there.
2470
02:09:46,555 --> 02:09:49,708
There was a sexual tension
between them.
2471
02:09:49,732 --> 02:09:51,579
I don't know why you're wasting
your time with this guy,
2472
02:09:51,603 --> 02:09:54,626
he's a basket case. Shut up, Grady.
2473
02:09:54,650 --> 02:09:56,149
But it depends who's looking.
2474
02:09:56,173 --> 02:09:58,499
See you around, buddy.
2475
02:09:58,523 --> 02:10:00,806
We were playing with this idea
2476
02:10:00,830 --> 02:10:05,028
that Freddy was exploiting
the subconscious
2477
02:10:05,052 --> 02:10:06,638
of Mark's character, Jesse,
2478
02:10:06,662 --> 02:10:09,578
and was maybe opening
the closet door.
2479
02:10:14,539 --> 02:10:19,259
And we had beaucoup hints
of Freddy
2480
02:10:19,283 --> 02:10:22,436
manipulating
the boy's sexuality,
2481
02:10:22,460 --> 02:10:25,483
prompted both
by the original screenplay,
2482
02:10:25,507 --> 02:10:31,489
the staging, the casting,
and by sets, whole sequences.
2483
02:10:31,513 --> 02:10:34,144
No one said, "We're making
a gay horror film,"
2484
02:10:34,168 --> 02:10:36,189
but we were toying with that.
2485
02:10:36,213 --> 02:10:39,018
Not nailing it down rigidly
2486
02:10:39,042 --> 02:10:41,218
but certainly exploring it.
2487
02:10:45,527 --> 02:10:47,548
And I loved what was going on
with Freddy
2488
02:10:47,572 --> 02:10:49,202
being in the middle of it.
2489
02:10:49,226 --> 02:10:53,641
Divisive, calculating,
darker than any of the other
2490
02:10:53,665 --> 02:10:55,102
"Nightmare on Elm Street"
movies.
2491
02:11:02,022 --> 02:11:04,087
That scene comes up.
2492
02:11:04,111 --> 02:11:06,504
Krueger comes out
of Jesse's body...
2493
02:11:08,767 --> 02:11:10,006
Dad!
2494
02:11:10,030 --> 02:11:12,945
And I'm yelling for my dad.
2495
02:11:16,427 --> 02:11:19,232
Dad!
2496
02:11:19,256 --> 02:11:22,061
When I saw the movie
with my dad at the screening,
2497
02:11:22,085 --> 02:11:24,411
my dad was crying, you know.
2498
02:11:24,435 --> 02:11:26,631
And I looked back
in the audience,
2499
02:11:26,655 --> 02:11:28,763
and people were affected.
2500
02:11:28,787 --> 02:11:30,485
-Ron!
2501
02:11:36,491 --> 02:11:39,122
They did break one rule.
2502
02:11:39,146 --> 02:11:40,495
They took Freddy
out of the dream.
2503
02:11:45,543 --> 02:11:48,261
He's dead, he's burned alive.
2504
02:11:48,285 --> 02:11:50,568
He doesn't even show up
at the pool party.
2505
02:11:50,592 --> 02:11:52,265
Yet, there's some great stuff
at the pool party,
2506
02:11:52,289 --> 02:11:53,962
"You're all my children now."
2507
02:11:53,986 --> 02:11:57,443
You are all my children now.
2508
02:11:57,467 --> 02:11:59,271
You know,
"Help yourself, fucker."
2509
02:11:59,295 --> 02:12:01,341
Help yourself, fucker!
2510
02:12:03,995 --> 02:12:06,496
Aah!
2511
02:12:06,520 --> 02:12:08,889
And I love the idea
that it's the rich girl's party,
2512
02:12:08,913 --> 02:12:11,090
and Freddy ruins it
for all the rich kids.
2513
02:12:12,874 --> 02:12:14,591
Aah!
2514
02:12:14,615 --> 02:12:17,246
All they had to do...
Just get a pickup shot
2515
02:12:17,270 --> 02:12:21,641
of Jesse or Jesse and Kim asleep
in the pool house taking a nap,
2516
02:12:21,665 --> 02:12:26,298
and then that whole party
crash by Freddy works.
2517
02:12:26,322 --> 02:12:28,039
Daddy can't help you now!
2518
02:12:28,063 --> 02:12:30,085
I mean, I remember asking Mark
2519
02:12:30,109 --> 02:12:32,739
in a sequence with Freddy
and Jesse,
2520
02:12:32,763 --> 02:12:35,046
if I could touch him
like I was gonna kiss him,
2521
02:12:35,070 --> 02:12:36,395
"Can I put a blade
in your mouth?
2522
02:12:36,419 --> 02:12:38,310
Or could I just
circle your mouth?
2523
02:12:38,334 --> 02:12:39,833
Can I caress your eyes?"
2524
02:12:39,857 --> 02:12:43,663
That's a real scary,
strange moment.
2525
02:12:43,687 --> 02:12:45,317
I said, "Mark, do you think
it should be sexual
2526
02:12:45,341 --> 02:12:47,014
or maybe the kiss of death?"
2527
02:12:47,038 --> 02:12:49,321
So I thought there
might be a great
2528
02:12:49,345 --> 02:12:52,019
male-on-male kiss there.
2529
02:12:52,043 --> 02:12:55,525
That could be erotic and
then... and then death kiss.
2530
02:12:58,659 --> 02:13:01,855
Aaaahh!
2531
02:13:01,879 --> 02:13:04,423
There is a lot of people
that watch that movie,
2532
02:13:04,447 --> 02:13:06,773
and it made them uncomfortable.
2533
02:13:06,797 --> 02:13:08,688
There were a lot of people
that watched that movie
2534
02:13:08,712 --> 02:13:10,386
and it empowered them.
2535
02:13:10,410 --> 02:13:13,171
There were a lot of people
that watched that movie,
2536
02:13:13,195 --> 02:13:16,870
and they made fun of
or judged or poked.
2537
02:13:16,894 --> 02:13:20,961
Most of the people
that judge and poke,
2538
02:13:20,985 --> 02:13:23,094
eh, what are you hiding,
you know what I mean?
2539
02:13:23,118 --> 02:13:25,401
People were talking about this
from the get-go,
2540
02:13:25,425 --> 02:13:29,448
and there was an increased
and an enhanced fan base
2541
02:13:29,472 --> 02:13:33,583
within the gay community,
because of this, immediately.
2542
02:13:33,607 --> 02:13:38,196
A lot of young gay men
were heavily, heavily influenced
2543
02:13:38,220 --> 02:13:43,375
by that movie, to be truthful
and honest with themselves
2544
02:13:43,399 --> 02:13:45,072
and... and really flourish
2545
02:13:45,096 --> 02:13:48,337
into who they wanted
to be from the inside.
2546
02:13:48,361 --> 02:13:49,947
I-I think that's fantastic.
2547
02:13:49,971 --> 02:13:52,167
As far as Freddy goes,
2548
02:13:52,191 --> 02:13:55,909
and as far as the depth of truth
between characters,
2549
02:13:55,933 --> 02:13:57,868
nobody else touches
"Nightmare 2."
2550
02:13:57,892 --> 02:13:59,565
I'm very proud of that movie.
2551
02:13:59,589 --> 02:14:01,132
And when people go,
"Hey, what's it like to be
2552
02:14:01,156 --> 02:14:03,134
in the gayest horror movie
ever made?"
2553
02:14:03,158 --> 02:14:05,005
I go, "It was fucking awesome."
2554
02:14:05,029 --> 02:14:07,945
It's okay, it's all over.
2555
02:14:17,040 --> 02:14:19,956
Man: Spooky.
2556
02:14:21,219 --> 02:14:22,935
I was a big Wes Craven fan.
2557
02:14:22,959 --> 02:14:26,983
I was also a huge fan
of "The Hills Have Eyes."
2558
02:14:27,007 --> 02:14:28,530
That movie was freaky, man.
2559
02:14:29,792 --> 02:14:31,751
I'll come back
for you later, girlie.
2560
02:14:33,753 --> 02:14:39,387
Another example of a situation
that you could relate to
2561
02:14:39,411 --> 02:14:41,258
as, "This can really
happen to me."
2562
02:14:41,282 --> 02:14:43,652
It was sort of like,
"I take the wrong turn,
2563
02:14:43,676 --> 02:14:45,721
and I wind up in,
you know, Hell."
2564
02:14:52,815 --> 02:14:54,445
"Hills Have Eyes II"
is a weird one
2565
02:14:54,469 --> 02:14:55,968
because it comes
on the heels of Craven
2566
02:14:55,992 --> 02:14:58,188
having maybe the biggest
hit of his career
2567
02:14:58,212 --> 02:14:59,972
with "Nightmare on Elm Street."
2568
02:14:59,996 --> 02:15:02,801
And suddenly, he's kind of going
back to the bottom of the barrel
2569
02:15:02,825 --> 02:15:06,327
and delivering a sequel
to a movie
2570
02:15:06,351 --> 02:15:08,633
some eight years earlier.
2571
02:15:08,657 --> 02:15:10,548
There's a lot of flashbacks.
2572
02:15:10,572 --> 02:15:13,899
If you ever want to see a dog
have a flashback in a movie,
2573
02:15:13,923 --> 02:15:15,925
I can name one and it's
"Hills Have Eyes II."
2574
02:15:21,322 --> 02:15:22,821
In the first film,
2575
02:15:22,845 --> 02:15:25,302
this civilized, soft,
suburban family
2576
02:15:25,326 --> 02:15:27,261
finds itself in the wilderness,
2577
02:15:27,285 --> 02:15:29,480
facing off against
the sort of feral mutants,
2578
02:15:29,504 --> 02:15:31,114
I guess you would say.
2579
02:15:31,854 --> 02:15:33,441
Ohh!
2580
02:15:33,465 --> 02:15:35,965
And in the second one,
it's kind of the mutants
2581
02:15:35,989 --> 02:15:38,881
bringing the fight
to civilization a little bit
2582
02:15:38,905 --> 02:15:41,821
because one of their own
has dared to try to cross over.
2583
02:15:45,172 --> 02:15:46,671
Rusler: I love Michael Berryman,
you know,
2584
02:15:46,695 --> 02:15:50,109
working with him
in "Weird Science,"
2585
02:15:50,133 --> 02:15:54,853
he was such the antithesis of
what he comes off as on screen,
2586
02:15:54,877 --> 02:15:56,812
you know,
because he's always playing
2587
02:15:56,836 --> 02:16:00,250
these really freaky, creepy,
like super sadistic,
2588
02:16:00,274 --> 02:16:01,860
like, scary roles.
2589
02:16:01,884 --> 02:16:04,689
And in person,
he's a super pleasant,
2590
02:16:04,713 --> 02:16:07,649
super educated, sweet man.
2591
02:16:07,673 --> 02:16:11,566
Can we keep this between us?
2592
02:16:11,590 --> 02:16:13,394
I'd hate to lose
my teaching job.
2593
02:16:13,418 --> 02:16:16,788
What resonates with me
about "Hills Have Eyes II"
2594
02:16:16,812 --> 02:16:19,138
compared to "Hills Have Eyes I"
2595
02:16:19,162 --> 02:16:22,533
was more the clarity
2596
02:16:22,557 --> 02:16:25,796
on what the fear was.
2597
02:16:25,820 --> 02:16:28,277
I want you to stay together
and stay alert.
2598
02:16:28,301 --> 02:16:30,192
This place might look deserted,
2599
02:16:30,216 --> 02:16:32,194
but it's been used for something
2600
02:16:32,218 --> 02:16:33,935
right up to the time
that we got here.
2601
02:16:33,959 --> 02:16:38,722
They got to expound upon
the characters, the situation.
2602
02:16:38,746 --> 02:16:41,551
What's at stake you know?
My life.
2603
02:16:41,575 --> 02:16:43,336
And what are the odds of me
making out of here?
2604
02:16:43,360 --> 02:16:44,578
You know, slim and none.
2605
02:16:47,581 --> 02:16:52,127
I think Wes Craven was very good
about capturing a perspective,
2606
02:16:52,151 --> 02:16:56,436
really taking you
to that world in the desert.
2607
02:16:56,460 --> 02:16:58,829
That's one of those movies,
like "Dawn of the Dead,"
2608
02:16:58,853 --> 02:17:03,007
where you come out hitting each
other, being super mischievous.
2609
02:17:03,031 --> 02:17:05,009
For some reason,
that's how some of those
2610
02:17:05,033 --> 02:17:06,295
horror movies affect me.
2611
02:17:10,604 --> 02:17:12,606
I want to get into trouble
after I see 'em.
2612
02:17:27,404 --> 02:17:29,469
Horror movies are
essentially absurd,
2613
02:17:29,493 --> 02:17:33,322
and the comedy just
it's already in there.
2614
02:17:36,935 --> 02:17:39,043
And if you don't find it,
someone else is gonna find it
2615
02:17:39,067 --> 02:17:40,523
because sometimes
some of the things
2616
02:17:40,547 --> 02:17:42,656
that are happening
are just preposterous.
2617
02:17:42,680 --> 02:17:44,527
Many of the pictures
in the '80s,
2618
02:17:44,551 --> 02:17:47,182
like "Return of the Living Dead"
and "The Stuff," are not afraid
2619
02:17:47,206 --> 02:17:48,966
to embrace the fact
that they're silly.
2620
02:17:48,990 --> 02:17:50,881
I mean, in fact,
I would almost think
2621
02:17:50,905 --> 02:17:54,972
that silly is kind of the...
The byword for horror comedies,
2622
02:17:54,996 --> 02:17:56,713
beginning with "Abbott and
Costello Meet Frankenstein,"
2623
02:17:56,737 --> 02:17:58,759
which is everybody's favorite,
because of the fact
2624
02:17:58,783 --> 02:18:00,848
that the horror-movie stuff
is played straight.
2625
02:18:00,872 --> 02:18:02,632
It just all meshes together
so perfectly,
2626
02:18:02,656 --> 02:18:04,199
and it looks terrific.
2627
02:18:04,223 --> 02:18:05,940
And it's, you know,
I think, the best movie
2628
02:18:05,964 --> 02:18:07,550
that Abbott and Costello
ever made.
2629
02:18:07,574 --> 02:18:08,943
And it's also the best
2630
02:18:08,967 --> 02:18:11,424
of the later
Universal horror pictures.
2631
02:18:11,448 --> 02:18:13,817
Open sesame!
2632
02:18:13,841 --> 02:18:16,559
In black and white,
the comedy was funnier.
2633
02:18:16,583 --> 02:18:19,020
In black and white,
the horror was scarier.
2634
02:18:26,158 --> 02:18:29,006
It's almost like horror
of the absurd.
2635
02:18:29,030 --> 02:18:34,664
Like, this is not even
in the realm of probable.
2636
02:18:34,688 --> 02:18:38,320
And so there's a great sort
of communal delight.
2637
02:18:38,344 --> 02:18:41,017
There's something
endearing about that.
2638
02:18:41,041 --> 02:18:43,411
Dante: "Re-Animator" is...
Is a very funny movie.
2639
02:18:43,435 --> 02:18:44,654
It's also pretty gruesome.
2640
02:18:47,570 --> 02:18:48,982
It's in the mind
of the filmmaker.
2641
02:18:49,006 --> 02:18:51,550
You can't all be Takashi Miike
2642
02:18:51,574 --> 02:18:54,054
and have it be
unrelentingly grim.
2643
02:18:58,581 --> 02:19:02,343
There's got to be some moments
where the graph goes up and down
2644
02:19:02,367 --> 02:19:04,563
instead of just
all the way across.
2645
02:19:04,587 --> 02:19:07,261
In my movies, I've always
approached the horror aspects
2646
02:19:07,285 --> 02:19:10,114
along
with a sense of the absurd.
2647
02:19:13,726 --> 02:19:16,662
My mechanism of dealing with
fear is... is... is laughter,
2648
02:19:16,686 --> 02:19:18,402
especially in the movies,
you know,
2649
02:19:18,426 --> 02:19:21,386
because then you realize
that you're not in the movie.
2650
02:19:23,562 --> 02:19:24,974
Maroney:
They call it comic relief,
2651
02:19:24,998 --> 02:19:28,195
a little space to stand
still for a second
2652
02:19:28,219 --> 02:19:29,718
and catch your breath
before you kick...
2653
02:19:29,742 --> 02:19:31,328
Before you get
chased around again,
2654
02:19:31,352 --> 02:19:32,678
or whatever it is.
2655
02:19:32,702 --> 02:19:34,027
You have to have that.
2656
02:19:34,051 --> 02:19:36,029
Otherwise, it's just relentless,
2657
02:19:36,053 --> 02:19:38,640
and it becomes
unintentionally funny,
2658
02:19:38,664 --> 02:19:42,818
which you really don't want.
2659
02:19:42,842 --> 02:19:45,691
I couldn't think of a more
horrible job if I wanted to.
2660
02:19:45,715 --> 02:19:49,085
"The Texas Chainsaw Massacre"
has many comic elements in it,
2661
02:19:49,109 --> 02:19:52,480
but people don't think of it
as a comedy until much later.
2662
02:19:52,504 --> 02:19:54,395
And then they have to invent
fancy terms
2663
02:19:54,419 --> 02:19:56,266
like Gran Guignol
2664
02:19:56,290 --> 02:20:00,575
to describe what's going on
in "Texas Chainsaw Massacre."
2665
02:20:00,599 --> 02:20:04,579
Garris: "The Howling" is a
really powerful horror movie,
2666
02:20:04,603 --> 02:20:06,581
but it's funny as hell,
2667
02:20:06,605 --> 02:20:08,931
and "An American Werewolf
in London."
2668
02:20:08,955 --> 02:20:11,325
Both of them
take their horror seriously,
2669
02:20:11,349 --> 02:20:13,196
and they take the comedy
seriously.
2670
02:20:13,220 --> 02:20:16,983
And both of them are made by
filmmakers who've embraced both
2671
02:20:17,007 --> 02:20:19,725
and have made comedies
and have made horror movies.
2672
02:20:19,749 --> 02:20:22,031
They have such glee and relish.
2673
02:20:22,055 --> 02:20:24,643
A good horror movie
makes you feel really excited
2674
02:20:24,667 --> 02:20:26,514
and like you're having
a good time,
2675
02:20:26,538 --> 02:20:29,822
and certainly a good comedy,
you ride that wave of laughter.
2676
02:20:29,846 --> 02:20:32,694
And when you can melt them
together like John Landis
2677
02:20:32,718 --> 02:20:34,459
and Joe Dante can do...
2678
02:20:36,679 --> 02:20:37,917
Excuse me.
2679
02:20:37,941 --> 02:20:39,571
When it works,
it's really great,
2680
02:20:39,595 --> 02:20:41,921
and that's what I was hoping
for doing "Critters 2"
2681
02:20:41,945 --> 02:20:44,401
was that the comedy
would be funny
2682
02:20:44,425 --> 02:20:46,123
and the horror would be scary.
2683
02:20:47,733 --> 02:20:50,407
I love that... when you have
a humorous movie
2684
02:20:50,431 --> 02:20:52,279
that also has scares,
2685
02:20:52,303 --> 02:20:56,959
because what it does for me
is takes the edge off.
2686
02:20:58,308 --> 02:20:59,633
It's even more of
a roller-coaster ride
2687
02:20:59,657 --> 02:21:02,288
than just scary,
scary, scary, scary,
2688
02:21:02,312 --> 02:21:05,073
aah, scary, scary, aah, scary.
2689
02:21:05,097 --> 02:21:07,206
It's more like, "I'm totally
relaxed because I was laughing.
2690
02:21:07,230 --> 02:21:08,511
Oh, my God!"
2691
02:21:08,535 --> 02:21:10,537
Now this big thing happens.
You know?
2692
02:21:12,061 --> 02:21:14,387
Holy shit!
I don't believe it.
2693
02:21:14,411 --> 02:21:17,129
Some of the things I kind
of gravitate towards in horror
2694
02:21:17,153 --> 02:21:18,957
are the comedy horror.
2695
02:21:18,981 --> 02:21:21,220
Garbage day!
2696
02:21:21,244 --> 02:21:22,462
No!
2697
02:21:24,682 --> 02:21:26,486
I do love the wink of the eye.
2698
02:21:26,510 --> 02:21:29,532
Maybe because I hate
to be scared, actually.
2699
02:21:29,556 --> 02:21:32,124
I like to get a little bit
of a step backwards.
2700
02:21:35,258 --> 02:21:37,323
Can I have a piece of toast?
2701
02:21:37,347 --> 02:21:40,587
There are a lot of really
successful horror films
2702
02:21:40,611 --> 02:21:43,329
with comedic elements
in the '80s.
2703
02:21:43,353 --> 02:21:45,897
But there are a lot of movies
that didn't get it right.
2704
02:21:45,921 --> 02:21:47,725
There was a short trend
of movies
2705
02:21:47,749 --> 02:21:50,249
that were overall comedies
but dealt with horror subjects.
2706
02:21:50,273 --> 02:21:53,556
You had "Teen Wolf"
and "Transylvania 6-5000"
2707
02:21:53,580 --> 02:21:55,167
and "Once Bitten."
2708
02:21:55,191 --> 02:21:57,778
Oh, shit!
2709
02:21:57,802 --> 02:21:59,345
It's a tough balance
to pull off,
2710
02:21:59,369 --> 02:22:02,174
but you really have to get
the tone just right
2711
02:22:02,198 --> 02:22:04,350
so that the comedy
doesn't really infringe
2712
02:22:04,374 --> 02:22:05,941
on the horror and vice versa.
2713
02:22:09,379 --> 02:22:12,358
Horror and comedy
can go hand in hand
2714
02:22:12,382 --> 02:22:14,665
or they can be
each other's worst enemy.
2715
02:22:14,689 --> 02:22:18,277
Most horror comedies
are neither scary nor funny.
2716
02:22:18,301 --> 02:22:19,582
But when it works together,
2717
02:22:19,606 --> 02:22:21,976
they both aim
for the same thing.
2718
02:22:22,000 --> 02:22:26,285
Horror and comedy both go
for a physical reaction,
2719
02:22:26,309 --> 02:22:29,288
a scream, a jump, tension
2720
02:22:29,312 --> 02:22:31,420
gripping the arms
of your seat for horror,
2721
02:22:31,444 --> 02:22:33,379
and comedy, the laughter.
2722
02:22:33,403 --> 02:22:36,512
If you go into a horror movie,
or a comedy,
2723
02:22:36,536 --> 02:22:38,297
and it's quiet
all the way through,
2724
02:22:38,321 --> 02:22:41,256
it ain't working.
2725
02:22:41,280 --> 02:22:42,997
Kong: A laugh is very difficult
to get.
2726
02:22:43,021 --> 02:22:44,346
How do you get the laugh?
2727
02:22:44,370 --> 02:22:46,740
You get the laugh
by surprising people.
2728
02:22:46,764 --> 02:22:49,462
If they can see the punch line
coming, you're sunk.
2729
02:22:54,729 --> 02:22:57,011
The key to making a great
horror comedy
2730
02:22:57,035 --> 02:23:00,754
is it's got to be 80% horror
and 20% comedy.
2731
02:23:00,778 --> 02:23:04,236
If you try to do 80% comedy
and 20% horror,
2732
02:23:04,260 --> 02:23:06,542
then what you're doing
is you're attempting
2733
02:23:06,566 --> 02:23:09,720
to make a cult film in advance
and that never works.
2734
02:23:09,744 --> 02:23:11,721
It always falls on its face.
2735
02:23:11,745 --> 02:23:14,288
Winter: Horror obviously
crosses genres anyway,
2736
02:23:14,312 --> 02:23:17,596
but I would argue that '80s
horror does that more than most.
2737
02:23:17,620 --> 02:23:19,554
It's like, you've got
Reese's Peanut Butter Cups.
2738
02:23:19,578 --> 02:23:21,382
It's gonna work great.
2739
02:23:21,406 --> 02:23:22,949
Hey!
Oh!
2740
02:23:22,973 --> 02:23:24,255
Hey, you got your chocolate
in my peanut butter.
2741
02:23:24,279 --> 02:23:25,735
You've got peanut butter
on my chocolate.
2742
02:23:25,759 --> 02:23:27,475
What?
What?
2743
02:23:27,499 --> 02:23:30,827
So the '80s, I would argue,
actually defined the...
2744
02:23:30,851 --> 02:23:35,353
And created this idea
of kind of multi-genre horror
2745
02:23:35,377 --> 02:23:38,336
that absolutely gets away
with high art and low art...
2746
02:23:40,469 --> 02:23:43,840
make you laugh and...
And have visceral drama
2747
02:23:43,864 --> 02:23:46,146
and gross you out.
2748
02:23:46,170 --> 02:23:49,106
I said,
"Shut up, butthole!"
2749
02:23:49,130 --> 02:23:50,672
That is really, I'd say,
2750
02:23:50,696 --> 02:23:52,805
the definition of '80s horror
in a way, is...
2751
02:23:52,829 --> 02:23:55,547
Is the people
who grew out of those eras
2752
02:23:55,571 --> 02:23:57,834
and are slamming
all of these genres together.
2753
02:24:03,057 --> 02:24:05,426
I never thought in
a million years
2754
02:24:05,450 --> 02:24:07,428
when I was growing up
in Davenport, Iowa,
2755
02:24:07,452 --> 02:24:08,821
that I would be acting,
2756
02:24:08,845 --> 02:24:11,606
because I was probably
the shyest person
2757
02:24:11,630 --> 02:24:13,565
on the face of the Earth.
2758
02:24:13,589 --> 02:24:17,351
I remember my first role that
I got that was a speaking role,
2759
02:24:17,375 --> 02:24:20,877
even though it wasn't a lot
of speaking, was "Fairy Tales."
2760
02:24:20,901 --> 02:24:22,922
And that was with Charlie Band.
2761
02:24:22,946 --> 02:24:26,491
I was so proud, I remember
writing in my diary,
2762
02:24:26,515 --> 02:24:28,972
"I'm a big star."
2763
02:24:28,996 --> 02:24:32,018
I think I found my niche
in doing the ones
2764
02:24:32,042 --> 02:24:35,108
that were more independent,
I hate to say low budget.
2765
02:24:35,132 --> 02:24:38,677
What is this, midnight
wimp bowling league?
2766
02:24:38,701 --> 02:24:40,853
What are you,
the bride of Dracula?
2767
02:24:40,877 --> 02:24:44,030
I think there was a lot more
freedom in doing things then,
2768
02:24:44,054 --> 02:24:46,032
and I just liked it.
2769
02:24:46,056 --> 02:24:47,449
It was a lot more fun.
2770
02:24:49,277 --> 02:24:51,777
The first time I had to take off
my clothes,
2771
02:24:51,801 --> 02:24:55,128
which was in "Fairy Tales,"
I was terrified.
2772
02:24:55,152 --> 02:24:56,782
I was so scared.
2773
02:24:56,806 --> 02:25:01,178
I actually did push-ups
to get my adrenaline going
2774
02:25:01,202 --> 02:25:02,362
so I wouldn't think about it.
2775
02:25:05,902 --> 02:25:07,575
It was a formula.
2776
02:25:07,599 --> 02:25:13,451
Shower scene,
getting killed topless.
2777
02:25:13,475 --> 02:25:15,540
It became redundant.
2778
02:25:15,564 --> 02:25:16,889
I knew the formula.
2779
02:25:16,913 --> 02:25:18,935
I know they needed it
to sell the film.
2780
02:25:18,959 --> 02:25:23,722
I think if you feel comfortable
doing nudity, it's no big deal.
2781
02:25:23,746 --> 02:25:26,551
I made up in my mind,
"If I have to show my breasts,
2782
02:25:26,575 --> 02:25:27,681
I'm gonna get more money."
2783
02:25:27,705 --> 02:25:30,099
So I was the go-to girl.
2784
02:25:32,014 --> 02:25:36,560
The more you draw attention
to being naked, the worse it is.
2785
02:25:36,584 --> 02:25:40,433
If you just take it very
casually, people don't notice.
2786
02:25:40,457 --> 02:25:42,827
It's like when... It's the
person that's like going,
2787
02:25:42,851 --> 02:25:45,525
"Oh, don't look.
Oh, you can't see me.
2788
02:25:45,549 --> 02:25:47,614
Oh, I'm so embarrassed"
that you want to look at.
2789
02:25:47,638 --> 02:25:50,530
So I would just be, like,
very casual about it
2790
02:25:50,554 --> 02:25:52,924
and people didn't make
a big deal.
2791
02:25:52,948 --> 02:25:55,559
You know, so it's like,
it's not a big thing.
2792
02:25:57,344 --> 02:26:01,367
"Savage Streets" is about
this badass Linda Blair going
2793
02:26:01,391 --> 02:26:03,935
and getting these guys
who raped me,
2794
02:26:03,959 --> 02:26:06,198
which was a hard scene to do.
2795
02:26:06,222 --> 02:26:09,549
The director wanted mucus
coming out my nose
2796
02:26:09,573 --> 02:26:10,899
and blood running down my leg.
2797
02:26:10,923 --> 02:26:13,075
I said, "I don't think
that's necessary.
2798
02:26:13,099 --> 02:26:18,384
I think it's pretty creepy the
way it is gonna be depicted."
2799
02:26:18,408 --> 02:26:23,172
I was so happy at that point
to be playing opposite
2800
02:26:23,196 --> 02:26:26,175
Linda Blair
and playing her sister.
2801
02:26:26,199 --> 02:26:27,785
And it was a different role
for me
2802
02:26:27,809 --> 02:26:30,179
because I was just so innocent.
2803
02:26:30,203 --> 02:26:32,118
You're real pretty.
You know that?
2804
02:26:34,381 --> 02:26:36,881
From "Savage Streets,"
I got both negative
2805
02:26:36,905 --> 02:26:39,057
and positive comments.
2806
02:26:39,081 --> 02:26:41,364
Like, the negative ones were,
2807
02:26:41,388 --> 02:26:43,105
"Oh, you didn't have
to remember any lines.
2808
02:26:43,129 --> 02:26:44,845
You didn't have any lines
in the movie."
2809
02:26:44,869 --> 02:26:46,325
But then I got the others
2810
02:26:46,349 --> 02:26:48,588
that are more into film
that would say,
2811
02:26:48,612 --> 02:26:52,636
"Wow, that must have been hard
not to say things and do things
2812
02:26:52,660 --> 02:26:55,639
and pretend
that you can't understand."
2813
02:26:55,663 --> 02:26:58,642
I remember on "Return
of the Living Dead,"
2814
02:26:58,666 --> 02:27:00,383
I don't usually say no,
2815
02:27:00,407 --> 02:27:03,212
but there were things
like shave my eyebrows off.
2816
02:27:03,236 --> 02:27:04,778
Well, everybody was like,
2817
02:27:04,802 --> 02:27:06,693
"Don't do it because
they might not grow back."
2818
02:27:06,717 --> 02:27:09,261
And I thought, "I don't want
to go without eyebrows."
2819
02:27:09,285 --> 02:27:11,568
And then they wanted me
to cut my hair.
2820
02:27:11,592 --> 02:27:14,005
I didn't do that,
so they had to get a wig.
2821
02:27:14,029 --> 02:27:18,357
But I did agree to dance nude
on a tombstone.
2822
02:27:18,381 --> 02:27:21,167
And talk about nude,
it was really nude.
2823
02:27:24,213 --> 02:27:26,626
Getting away from zombies,
I was terrified
2824
02:27:26,650 --> 02:27:29,760
because the zombies were extras.
2825
02:27:29,784 --> 02:27:31,370
And extras get very zealous
2826
02:27:31,394 --> 02:27:33,155
and they want to be seen
in the camera
2827
02:27:33,179 --> 02:27:35,418
and I'm like, "Oh, my God,
they're gonna really attack me."
2828
02:27:35,442 --> 02:27:39,683
I was...
I was actually very, like,
2829
02:27:39,707 --> 02:27:42,013
"Oh, no, what's gonna happen
when they yell 'action'?"
2830
02:27:46,452 --> 02:27:49,083
And I'm, like, surrounded
by the zombies,
2831
02:27:49,107 --> 02:27:50,412
and that's the end of me.
2832
02:27:53,067 --> 02:27:57,613
Being buried in mud, there is
an art to holding your breath.
2833
02:27:57,637 --> 02:28:01,530
They dug a hole, then they're
covering me up and I'm like,
2834
02:28:01,554 --> 02:28:03,358
"Oh, my God.
I can't tell...
2835
02:28:03,382 --> 02:28:05,969
I can't hear
when they call 'action.'
2836
02:28:05,993 --> 02:28:09,320
I can't tell when
the rain machine's going."
2837
02:28:09,344 --> 02:28:11,627
So I had to
kind of, like, time it,
2838
02:28:11,651 --> 02:28:15,152
and it was, like, kind of creepy
to be under there.
2839
02:28:15,176 --> 02:28:18,112
So I did it on the first take,
thank goodness.
2840
02:28:18,136 --> 02:28:20,940
I was so happy.
2841
02:28:20,964 --> 02:28:24,248
That's kind of dangerous
because you can inhale the mud.
2842
02:28:24,272 --> 02:28:26,990
So I didn't know if anybody
really knew what they were doing
2843
02:28:27,014 --> 02:28:29,669
or if I was just, like,
a guinea pig on it.
2844
02:28:32,063 --> 02:28:35,607
When I turned into a zombie,
I'm nude...
2845
02:28:35,631 --> 02:28:37,827
Cold and nude.
2846
02:28:37,851 --> 02:28:42,484
It was horrible to have
the special effects makeup done.
2847
02:28:42,508 --> 02:28:44,312
I didn't know
what I was getting into,
2848
02:28:44,336 --> 02:28:46,749
but it was, like,
all glued on me,
2849
02:28:46,773 --> 02:28:50,970
and they had the mouth
at one point down here.
2850
02:28:50,994 --> 02:28:55,149
And I couldn't drink anything
or really eat anything
2851
02:28:55,173 --> 02:28:56,652
because it was, like, so low.
2852
02:28:59,133 --> 02:29:00,395
It was pretty miserable.
2853
02:29:05,705 --> 02:29:08,292
I decided to do this workout,
2854
02:29:08,316 --> 02:29:11,034
"The Linnea Quigley
Horror Workout."
2855
02:29:11,058 --> 02:29:12,688
Everybody was doing it.
2856
02:29:12,712 --> 02:29:16,344
So we decided to do a campy
version with zombies
2857
02:29:16,368 --> 02:29:19,042
and with girls
at a slumber party
2858
02:29:19,066 --> 02:29:21,349
and, you know,
just throwing everything,
2859
02:29:21,373 --> 02:29:23,133
throw it into the mix.
2860
02:29:23,157 --> 02:29:26,397
I know what you're doing when
you're watching my movies.
2861
02:29:26,421 --> 02:29:29,618
Just how many calories
do you think that burns?
2862
02:29:29,642 --> 02:29:32,055
We had a really fun time
doing it
2863
02:29:32,079 --> 02:29:33,399
because it was
so tongue in cheek.
2864
02:29:37,998 --> 02:29:42,152
It's supposed to be taking place
on the mountain with gravestones
2865
02:29:42,176 --> 02:29:44,894
and this whole dramatic thing.
2866
02:29:44,918 --> 02:29:48,985
Well, the fire marshals
decided to do,
2867
02:29:49,009 --> 02:29:51,248
like, a fire test up there.
2868
02:29:51,272 --> 02:29:54,077
So we got kicked out of there
and went to my parents' house
2869
02:29:54,101 --> 02:29:57,080
and decided to film by the pool,
2870
02:29:57,104 --> 02:29:59,037
and then have the zombies
jump in the pool.
2871
02:29:59,061 --> 02:30:00,976
Okay!
Everybody into the pool!
2872
02:30:04,284 --> 02:30:06,610
Cynthia Garris,
Mick Garris's wife,
2873
02:30:06,634 --> 02:30:09,744
choreographed the whole thing,
so she was across the pool,
2874
02:30:09,768 --> 02:30:13,487
because I'm not a great,
you know, dancer.
2875
02:30:13,511 --> 02:30:16,446
I wasn't aerobically trained.
2876
02:30:16,470 --> 02:30:18,274
So she was helping me out
with that.
2877
02:30:18,298 --> 02:30:22,322
And she was actually one
of the slumber party girls, too.
2878
02:30:22,346 --> 02:30:25,281
I think when they label you,
like, scream queen, to me,
2879
02:30:25,305 --> 02:30:26,761
it's an honor.
2880
02:30:26,785 --> 02:30:29,024
It's taken like a flip-flop.
2881
02:30:29,048 --> 02:30:32,897
So I don't think it's limiting
now, but it was limiting then.
2882
02:30:32,921 --> 02:30:36,162
I would say advice
for screaming on camera
2883
02:30:36,186 --> 02:30:38,840
would be just go
all out and do it.
2884
02:30:43,628 --> 02:30:45,736
Also, know that you're gonna
get a headache
2885
02:30:45,760 --> 02:30:47,303
after doing it a lot.
2886
02:30:47,327 --> 02:30:48,415
So bring some aspirin.
2887
02:30:53,942 --> 02:30:55,442
I think horror changed a lot
2888
02:30:55,466 --> 02:30:58,401
when we were
in people's living rooms.
2889
02:30:58,425 --> 02:31:01,361
I think that people
got to know you better.
2890
02:31:01,385 --> 02:31:05,800
They could go seek you out
in a video store and say,
2891
02:31:05,824 --> 02:31:08,237
"Oh, you know,
I really liked that person.
2892
02:31:08,261 --> 02:31:10,805
Do you have another movie
by her or him?"
2893
02:31:10,829 --> 02:31:14,809
Or, you know, "Is there
another part two or part three?"
2894
02:31:14,833 --> 02:31:18,358
It's a way to really
get into someone's heart.
2895
02:31:29,717 --> 02:31:32,087
Announcer: "House."
2896
02:31:32,111 --> 02:31:35,482
Enter at your own risk.
2897
02:31:35,506 --> 02:31:38,920
After "Friday the 13th" and then
a couple of more sequels
2898
02:31:38,944 --> 02:31:40,487
and then
"Nightmare on Elm Street,"
2899
02:31:40,511 --> 02:31:42,880
we knew the genre was changing.
2900
02:31:42,904 --> 02:31:46,362
And one of the pitfalls
in horror films in general,
2901
02:31:46,386 --> 02:31:49,974
is that you think it's
a compounding of grim scenes
2902
02:31:49,998 --> 02:31:51,802
and suspense and desperation.
2903
02:31:51,826 --> 02:31:53,282
No!
2904
02:31:53,306 --> 02:31:54,588
But it isn't that way.
2905
02:31:54,612 --> 02:31:57,199
It has to have hills
and valleys,
2906
02:31:57,223 --> 02:32:00,420
and lots of times,
some kind of comic relief
2907
02:32:00,444 --> 02:32:02,010
really, really helps.
2908
02:32:05,187 --> 02:32:07,451
Sandy. Aah!
2909
02:32:09,366 --> 02:32:12,953
You have a man who's writing and
who's isolated from his family,
2910
02:32:12,977 --> 02:32:15,501
dealing with sort
of these Vietnam flashbacks.
2911
02:32:18,504 --> 02:32:20,526
You're dealing with, like,
the death of a kid
2912
02:32:20,550 --> 02:32:22,136
at certain points.
2913
02:32:22,160 --> 02:32:24,791
And there's definitely
some trauma issues
2914
02:32:24,815 --> 02:32:27,968
that they're exploring
in that movie.
2915
02:32:27,992 --> 02:32:30,231
Cunningham: Bill Katt
was just terrific casting.
2916
02:32:30,255 --> 02:32:33,756
And then Steve Miner is the one
who really believed in that
2917
02:32:33,780 --> 02:32:35,802
and really thought
that he could bring it off
2918
02:32:35,826 --> 02:32:37,717
and he did a great job.
2919
02:32:37,741 --> 02:32:39,675
You've been in Vietnam,
2920
02:32:39,699 --> 02:32:42,025
lost your only child,
your wife divorced you.
2921
02:32:42,049 --> 02:32:43,679
I mean, you've got a few marbles
running around,
2922
02:32:43,703 --> 02:32:45,551
but right now, you seem fine.
2923
02:32:45,575 --> 02:32:48,728
You have crazy characters
popping in.
2924
02:32:48,752 --> 02:32:51,426
You have Richard Moll
as Big Ben.
2925
02:32:51,450 --> 02:32:52,688
Big Ben?
2926
02:32:52,712 --> 02:32:55,106
No, it's your fairy godmother.
2927
02:32:57,021 --> 02:33:01,480
Our hope initially was that Big
Ben was gonna become iconic,
2928
02:33:01,504 --> 02:33:02,785
but he didn't.
2929
02:33:02,809 --> 02:33:04,439
Oh!
2930
02:33:04,463 --> 02:33:07,399
You're pissing me off, Roger.
2931
02:33:07,423 --> 02:33:12,404
This notion of... of a zombie
G.I. rotting off the bone,
2932
02:33:12,428 --> 02:33:15,735
that he would come back
and really raise hell.
2933
02:33:18,259 --> 02:33:20,542
Roger, you hit like
a little girl!
2934
02:33:20,566 --> 02:33:22,501
For some magical reason,
2935
02:33:22,525 --> 02:33:26,418
people didn't buy into him
as being a super villain
2936
02:33:26,442 --> 02:33:30,552
the way they bought into
other characters at the time.
2937
02:33:30,576 --> 02:33:33,512
You can't get rid of me, Roger.
2938
02:33:33,536 --> 02:33:35,862
You can't and you never will!
2939
02:33:35,886 --> 02:33:38,430
A good poster will tell
the audience
2940
02:33:38,454 --> 02:33:40,910
what it's going to see.
2941
02:33:40,934 --> 02:33:42,521
"House" had that great line
2942
02:33:42,545 --> 02:33:44,740
and an image of, like,
a zombie finger
2943
02:33:44,764 --> 02:33:47,047
that goes,
"Ding Dong. You're dead."
2944
02:33:47,071 --> 02:33:49,832
It's like...
2945
02:33:49,856 --> 02:33:53,140
I just thought that was
delightful because it suggested
2946
02:33:53,164 --> 02:33:56,273
that we weren't taking it
completely seriously,
2947
02:33:56,297 --> 02:33:59,973
but that it was a haunted house
and that people were at risk.
2948
02:33:59,997 --> 02:34:01,955
That was kind of inspired.
2949
02:34:10,399 --> 02:34:13,856
Our original twist love affair
2950
02:34:13,880 --> 02:34:16,772
started with the unmasking
of who a killer was
2951
02:34:16,796 --> 02:34:18,383
or who the bad guy was.
2952
02:34:18,407 --> 02:34:20,863
And that goes all the way
back to "Scooby-Doo."
2953
02:34:20,887 --> 02:34:22,430
"Scooby-Doo"
is just a horror movie
2954
02:34:22,454 --> 02:34:26,260
in animated segments
of a killer or a bad guy,
2955
02:34:26,284 --> 02:34:29,654
and that sort of that gateway
into watching the real movies
2956
02:34:29,678 --> 02:34:31,786
where you wanted the unmasking
of who the killer is
2957
02:34:31,810 --> 02:34:33,614
or who the bad guy is.
2958
02:34:33,638 --> 02:34:35,834
Everybody always references,
"Ooh, Freddy" or "Jason."
2959
02:34:35,858 --> 02:34:37,139
And they go, "What's
your favorite movie?"
2960
02:34:37,163 --> 02:34:38,184
and I go, "April Fool's Day."
2961
02:34:38,208 --> 02:34:41,013
Announcer: "April Fool's Day."
2962
02:34:41,037 --> 02:34:44,016
Get ready to party...
till you drop.
2963
02:34:44,040 --> 02:34:46,148
And it blows their mind.
They're like, "Why?"
2964
02:34:46,172 --> 02:34:48,020
And I was like,
"Well, if you actually watch
2965
02:34:48,044 --> 02:34:50,936
'April Fool's Day, '
it's a great slasher movie
2966
02:34:50,960 --> 02:34:53,242
with a fantastic performance,"
2967
02:34:53,266 --> 02:34:55,331
because if you actually
watch her in that movie,
2968
02:34:55,355 --> 02:34:57,290
Foreman is... she's creepy.
2969
02:34:57,314 --> 02:34:58,987
Criminally under-looked.
2970
02:34:59,011 --> 02:35:01,337
It tells the story
of a bunch of friends
2971
02:35:01,361 --> 02:35:05,820
who were invited to their
friend's house for a weekend.
2972
02:35:05,844 --> 02:35:08,281
They all just start
dropping like flies.
2973
02:35:11,502 --> 02:35:13,001
Come on!
2974
02:35:13,025 --> 02:35:16,352
My favorite kill is
probably the first one
2975
02:35:16,376 --> 02:35:19,617
where the guy has his face
chopped up with the boat motor.
2976
02:35:19,641 --> 02:35:23,427
You talk about roast beef,
it is just a shredder.
2977
02:35:25,429 --> 02:35:28,364
Oh! Geez!
2978
02:35:28,388 --> 02:35:29,801
The kills are great.
2979
02:35:29,825 --> 02:35:32,543
The comedy is off the charts.
2980
02:35:32,567 --> 02:35:35,221
It's smart, it's funny.
2981
02:35:42,707 --> 02:35:44,250
I think it's probably my
all-time favorite horror movie
2982
02:35:44,274 --> 02:35:45,599
just because of the twist.
2983
02:35:45,623 --> 02:35:47,103
Blew my mind
at the end of the movie.
2984
02:35:53,152 --> 02:35:57,611
It's not just about, "I thought
the killer was somebody else,"
2985
02:35:57,635 --> 02:35:59,555
because you always try
to figure out the mystery.
2986
02:36:03,075 --> 02:36:04,488
Yeah, having twists in...
2987
02:36:04,512 --> 02:36:06,925
Especially in '80s
horror movies,
2988
02:36:06,949 --> 02:36:10,102
whether they're the big movies
or the obscure ones,
2989
02:36:10,126 --> 02:36:11,277
those always get you
a little bit.
2990
02:36:11,301 --> 02:36:13,172
April fool.
2991
02:36:19,570 --> 02:36:21,461
Announcer:
Will you survive it?
2992
02:36:21,485 --> 02:36:22,854
Ahhh!
2993
02:36:22,878 --> 02:36:24,009
"Demons."
2994
02:36:26,272 --> 02:36:29,600
The construct of the story
for "Demons"
2995
02:36:29,624 --> 02:36:32,298
is a group of people
are watching a movie.
2996
02:36:32,322 --> 02:36:34,300
We're watching the people
watch the movie,
2997
02:36:34,324 --> 02:36:35,519
as they're watching a movie.
2998
02:36:35,543 --> 02:36:38,086
So I am a working girl
2999
02:36:38,110 --> 02:36:40,828
on a day off with my best friend
3000
02:36:40,852 --> 02:36:44,265
and the fellow who, let's say,
collects the money for us.
3001
02:36:44,289 --> 02:36:46,833
And we get a free ticket.
3002
02:36:46,857 --> 02:36:50,489
I pick up the mask and something
inside the mask
3003
02:36:50,513 --> 02:36:51,838
scratches my face.
3004
02:36:51,862 --> 02:36:54,319
Ow!
What was that?
3005
02:36:54,343 --> 02:36:56,713
There's three levels of demons.
3006
02:36:56,737 --> 02:36:58,932
And by the way it's demone.
3007
02:36:58,956 --> 02:37:01,282
That's how we say "demons"
in Italy. It's demone.
3008
02:37:01,306 --> 02:37:02,675
So there's three
different levels,
3009
02:37:02,699 --> 02:37:04,982
and the first level
is infection.
3010
02:37:05,006 --> 02:37:06,505
That's when hell will open
3011
02:37:06,529 --> 02:37:09,290
because the demons
are gonna come onto Earth
3012
02:37:09,314 --> 02:37:12,337
and try to take over
the dominion of Earth.
3013
02:37:12,361 --> 02:37:17,516
Dario Argento and Sacchetti
and Ferrini and Lamberto Bava,
3014
02:37:17,540 --> 02:37:21,520
the four authors of the script,
they knew the story.
3015
02:37:21,544 --> 02:37:23,217
"Yeah, we're gonna do this.
3016
02:37:23,241 --> 02:37:24,697
It's gonna be a film and a film
of some kids in a film."
3017
02:37:24,721 --> 02:37:28,048
But it took them two years
to make the rules.
3018
02:37:28,072 --> 02:37:29,833
What were the rules of hell?
3019
02:37:29,857 --> 02:37:32,357
What were the rules of demons?
3020
02:37:32,381 --> 02:37:34,228
And what is a demon?
3021
02:37:34,252 --> 02:37:37,580
It can come through the screen,
it can come around you,
3022
02:37:37,604 --> 02:37:39,344
and it can get into
your blood system.
3023
02:37:41,564 --> 02:37:44,761
My face exploding was
my first day on the set.
3024
02:37:44,785 --> 02:37:46,893
In the ladies' room,
I look in the mirror,
3025
02:37:46,917 --> 02:37:50,549
and the audience sees the pulse
get bigger and bigger
3026
02:37:50,573 --> 02:37:51,768
and bigger and explode.
3027
02:37:51,792 --> 02:37:55,249
No!
3028
02:37:55,273 --> 02:37:57,817
And from that moment on,
we're running.
3029
02:37:57,841 --> 02:38:00,017
The movie
never slows down again.
3030
02:38:02,716 --> 02:38:04,432
Then you can't get out.
3031
02:38:04,456 --> 02:38:06,043
Isn't that everyone's fear?
3032
02:38:06,067 --> 02:38:07,740
You're in a box,
you're in a group,
3033
02:38:07,764 --> 02:38:10,090
you're with a gang,
you don't know anybody,
3034
02:38:10,114 --> 02:38:12,397
and now you can't get out.
3035
02:38:12,421 --> 02:38:16,183
There's not any, "You're bad,
you had sex so you must die."
3036
02:38:16,207 --> 02:38:21,275
It really is the larger concept
of how much can you stay human,
3037
02:38:21,299 --> 02:38:23,103
your humanity
3038
02:38:23,127 --> 02:38:26,716
within a bad situation
that you can't get out of?
3039
02:38:26,740 --> 02:38:27,828
That's the real message.
3040
02:38:30,700 --> 02:38:33,636
And it's a movie
with this amazing soundtrack.
3041
02:38:33,660 --> 02:38:36,900
I mean, Billy Idol, Go West,
3042
02:38:36,924 --> 02:38:40,425
and then you have
Claudio Simonetti.
3043
02:38:40,449 --> 02:38:43,384
There's something about metal,
that to them,
3044
02:38:43,408 --> 02:38:46,629
it's the standout loner
against society.
3045
02:38:49,501 --> 02:38:52,350
There's so many great effects
and demone... demons.
3046
02:38:52,374 --> 02:38:53,786
-Help!
3047
02:38:53,810 --> 02:38:56,920
The eyeball gauge,
it's a real man.
3048
02:38:56,944 --> 02:38:58,660
And they put padding on there.
3049
02:38:58,684 --> 02:39:02,751
So they had a system that
when I put my hands in the pad,
3050
02:39:02,775 --> 02:39:06,189
there was gel,
and I knew don't go past the gel
3051
02:39:06,213 --> 02:39:07,573
because his real eyes
are in there.
3052
02:39:10,391 --> 02:39:15,764
The birth of the demon
that comes out of Paola's back,
3053
02:39:15,788 --> 02:39:18,070
that was a mechanical thing
3054
02:39:18,094 --> 02:39:20,793
that Sergio Stivaletti created.
3055
02:39:22,098 --> 02:39:23,467
Just look at that doll.
3056
02:39:23,491 --> 02:39:24,729
Look at that creature
that comes out.
3057
02:39:24,753 --> 02:39:26,059
Excellently done.
3058
02:39:27,800 --> 02:39:28,994
They love that!
3059
02:39:29,018 --> 02:39:30,933
They love the... the guts of it.
3060
02:39:33,762 --> 02:39:35,590
The helicopter.
3061
02:39:42,379 --> 02:39:44,053
It was a technical way
3062
02:39:44,077 --> 02:39:46,490
of how the helicopter
got through the roof.
3063
02:39:46,514 --> 02:39:47,752
It's not magic.
3064
02:39:47,776 --> 02:39:50,126
It's the mechanics
of movie making.
3065
02:39:52,999 --> 02:39:55,673
So as everyone's running
toward the camera, I'm hiding.
3066
02:39:55,697 --> 02:39:58,023
I'm hiding.
I'm hiding behind pillars.
3067
02:39:58,047 --> 02:40:01,244
I'm hiding behind things
because I want to be sure
3068
02:40:01,268 --> 02:40:02,724
I don't get killed on scene.
3069
02:40:02,748 --> 02:40:04,682
I want to be sure my head
3070
02:40:04,706 --> 02:40:07,274
doesn't go flying
with that helicopter blade.
3071
02:40:10,233 --> 02:40:13,735
The humanity of it
is the secret of the movie.
3072
02:40:13,759 --> 02:40:15,954
Watch all these people
doing the best they can
3073
02:40:15,978 --> 02:40:17,303
in the worst circumstances.
3074
02:40:17,327 --> 02:40:20,461
And not everyone's going to win.
3075
02:40:30,471 --> 02:40:34,712
Announcer:
"Vamp"... a comedy with bite,
3076
02:40:34,736 --> 02:40:37,628
and, of course, Grace Jones.
3077
02:40:37,652 --> 02:40:40,805
"Vamp" is the story
of three kids
3078
02:40:40,829 --> 02:40:43,416
who go downtown to a strip club
3079
02:40:43,440 --> 02:40:47,203
to procure
some unparalleled refreshment,
3080
02:40:47,227 --> 02:40:49,335
I guess, is what you want
to call it,
3081
02:40:49,359 --> 02:40:53,146
and end up running
into a nest of vampires.
3082
02:40:56,062 --> 02:40:57,996
Richard Wenk,
the writer/director,
3083
02:40:58,020 --> 02:41:00,129
had a terrific vision
of what he wanted.
3084
02:41:00,153 --> 02:41:03,504
He wanted to make a horror movie
that utilized humor.
3085
02:41:07,551 --> 02:41:09,921
"Vamp," for me,
was trying to fit in.
3086
02:41:09,945 --> 02:41:11,183
Take me with you
and just pretend
3087
02:41:11,207 --> 02:41:12,663
to be my friends for a week.
3088
02:41:12,687 --> 02:41:14,577
Hey, guys, I'm psyched.
3089
02:41:14,601 --> 02:41:16,057
Let's party.
3090
02:41:16,081 --> 02:41:17,604
At what cost?
3091
02:41:19,214 --> 02:41:24,674
I was so stoked
to meet Grace Jones.
3092
02:41:24,698 --> 02:41:27,851
She was perfectly cast
to play Katrina.
3093
02:41:27,875 --> 02:41:30,898
We were all worried if
Grace Jones was gonna show up
3094
02:41:30,922 --> 02:41:33,639
on the set or not.
3095
02:41:33,663 --> 02:41:37,469
She surprised us in a lot,
a lot of ways, I have to say.
3096
02:41:37,493 --> 02:41:40,733
I think all of us were
kind of, like, vamping
3097
02:41:40,757 --> 02:41:43,345
so you know, in some way.
3098
02:41:43,369 --> 02:41:47,915
When Grace Jones came on
the set, the air would change.
3099
02:41:47,939 --> 02:41:52,180
I do remember one incident
where I had opened the door,
3100
02:41:52,204 --> 02:41:55,792
and there was Grace Jones
and she was stark naked.
3101
02:41:55,816 --> 02:41:58,577
And underneath her this man
was painting her,
3102
02:41:58,601 --> 02:42:01,189
turned out to be Keith Haring.
3103
02:42:01,213 --> 02:42:05,497
Keith was just slowly drawing
white lines
3104
02:42:05,521 --> 02:42:07,978
on her beautiful ebony body.
3105
02:42:08,002 --> 02:42:09,937
It was just unbelievable
to watch.
3106
02:42:09,961 --> 02:42:13,505
I give you... Katrina.
3107
02:42:13,529 --> 02:42:16,291
Watanabe: The dance...
That was pretty cool.
3108
02:42:16,315 --> 02:42:17,925
None of us knew what to expect.
3109
02:42:20,885 --> 02:42:22,819
The red wig that she had on,
at first,
3110
02:42:22,843 --> 02:42:24,865
I kept thinking it looked like
Ronald McDonald.
3111
02:42:24,889 --> 02:42:26,997
I said, "How in the hell
is this gonna work?"
3112
02:42:27,021 --> 02:42:28,694
But it worked!
3113
02:42:28,718 --> 02:42:32,461
I sat there and went,
"Oh, my God. She looks great."
3114
02:42:38,990 --> 02:42:42,534
Grace Jones is so charismatic
and her character was so strong
3115
02:42:42,558 --> 02:42:44,667
that she didn't need to talk.
3116
02:42:44,691 --> 02:42:46,693
She was all action.
3117
02:42:47,868 --> 02:42:52,588
You like to play rough, huh?
3118
02:42:52,612 --> 02:42:55,417
When we were filming
the death scene,
3119
02:42:55,441 --> 02:42:57,419
Grace was just so wild.
3120
02:42:57,443 --> 02:43:00,683
You know, she came onto
set nine hours late one night,
3121
02:43:00,707 --> 02:43:02,990
howling, saying,
"Where's my man?"
3122
02:43:03,014 --> 02:43:04,972
And the whole crew just went...
3123
02:43:09,803 --> 02:43:12,869
She had attacked my neck
like a Pit Bull,
3124
02:43:12,893 --> 02:43:14,740
like a shark on a fish
3125
02:43:14,764 --> 02:43:18,396
and didn't realize that
the teeth actually penetrated
3126
02:43:18,420 --> 02:43:21,704
the latex
and went into my jugular.
3127
02:43:21,728 --> 02:43:25,447
And I was writhing in pain,
screaming in agony,
3128
02:43:25,471 --> 02:43:28,735
and she didn't realize
how badly I was hurt.
3129
02:43:32,433 --> 02:43:34,411
And it could have been a lot
worse than how it turned out.
3130
02:43:34,435 --> 02:43:36,457
How you're doing
back there, Duncan?
3131
02:43:36,481 --> 02:43:38,198
I'm hungry.
3132
02:43:38,222 --> 02:43:40,069
He's okay.
3133
02:43:40,093 --> 02:43:44,813
It was the first time I ever
was transformed into a vampire,
3134
02:43:44,837 --> 02:43:47,816
so it was pretty exciting
for me.
3135
02:43:47,840 --> 02:43:51,646
They started to proceed to put
on the prosthetics on my face.
3136
02:43:51,670 --> 02:43:54,779
I watched myself turn
into my grandfather.
3137
02:43:54,803 --> 02:43:58,261
It was a little scary.
3138
02:43:58,285 --> 02:44:00,394
There's a certain kind
of empowerment
3139
02:44:00,418 --> 02:44:04,615
that you feel
when you're put into a costume,
3140
02:44:04,639 --> 02:44:07,270
and this one was
kind of like, "Okay,
3141
02:44:07,294 --> 02:44:11,318
I got the teeth, I got power,"
which really surprised me,
3142
02:44:11,342 --> 02:44:13,581
because I think my character
was... was empowered.
3143
02:44:13,605 --> 02:44:16,192
Now all of a sudden,
he had this power even though
3144
02:44:16,216 --> 02:44:18,803
he eventually was gonna die,
but still, you know,
3145
02:44:18,827 --> 02:44:21,004
why not go out in a flame
if you have to?
3146
02:44:23,702 --> 02:44:24,703
Literally.
3147
02:44:41,763 --> 02:44:44,090
"The Seventh Curse"
came out in 1986.
3148
02:44:44,114 --> 02:44:45,767
It's a hidden gem, I would say.
3149
02:44:47,682 --> 02:44:50,313
Hong Kong cinema was very much
like two-fold...
3150
02:44:50,337 --> 02:44:52,141
You had action and comedy.
3151
02:44:52,165 --> 02:44:55,449
Then the other side, we were
incorporating a lot of fantasy
3152
02:44:55,473 --> 02:44:56,996
and horror as well.
3153
02:45:01,914 --> 02:45:03,457
Directed by Simon Nam.
3154
02:45:03,481 --> 02:45:04,980
He went on to direct
"The Story of Ricky,"
3155
02:45:05,004 --> 02:45:07,069
which is kind of a very
over-the-top action movie
3156
02:45:07,093 --> 02:45:08,984
with lots of blood and gore.
3157
02:45:09,008 --> 02:45:12,292
The plot revolves around
Dr. Yuan, played by Chin Siu-ho,
3158
02:45:12,316 --> 02:45:14,231
who's
a fantastic martial artist.
3159
02:45:17,364 --> 02:45:19,168
Dr. Yuan is warned of a curse
3160
02:45:19,192 --> 02:45:21,281
after being attacked
in his apartment.
3161
02:45:24,893 --> 02:45:26,349
The film flashes back,
3162
02:45:26,373 --> 02:45:28,177
where we see him
saving a girl called Betsy
3163
02:45:28,201 --> 02:45:30,856
from an evil tribe
called the Worm Tribe.
3164
02:45:31,509 --> 02:45:34,836
Aah!
3165
02:45:34,860 --> 02:45:38,057
After saving her from
being sacrificed, he is cursed.
3166
02:45:38,081 --> 02:45:39,406
Aah!
3167
02:45:39,430 --> 02:45:41,277
He decides to head back
to Thailand
3168
02:45:41,301 --> 02:45:43,149
to get rid of this tribe,
3169
02:45:43,173 --> 02:45:45,672
so he can live forever without
having to look over his shoulder
3170
02:45:45,696 --> 02:45:48,394
thinking he's gonna die
in a year's time.
3171
02:45:51,832 --> 02:45:55,116
He gets the advice by Wisely
played by Chow Yun-Fat,
3172
02:45:55,140 --> 02:45:56,900
who is barely in the movie,
he's...
3173
02:45:56,924 --> 02:45:58,467
He pops up in the beginning.
3174
02:45:58,491 --> 02:46:00,600
He's in a little bit near
the sort of middle act.
3175
02:46:00,624 --> 02:46:02,515
And he pops up at the end
with a rocket launcher,
3176
02:46:02,539 --> 02:46:04,410
which is a great sequence.
3177
02:46:10,024 --> 02:46:12,305
When it comes to the action,
the film completely delivers.
3178
02:46:18,903 --> 02:46:20,837
They try and push the gore
as much as possible.
3179
02:46:20,861 --> 02:46:23,212
They actually quite...
It's quite sprinkled throughout.
3180
02:46:26,084 --> 02:46:28,367
You see someone's stomach
get ripped apart,
3181
02:46:28,391 --> 02:46:30,195
all these worms fall out of it.
3182
02:46:30,219 --> 02:46:33,091
A guy's head gets ripped off,
blood gets drained from him.
3183
02:46:37,008 --> 02:46:39,421
They give it a go, and it
does work to a certain degree,
3184
02:46:39,445 --> 02:46:43,033
but it does provide
some unintentional laughs.
3185
02:46:43,057 --> 02:46:45,862
Watching this movie,
I had a huge smile on my face.
3186
02:46:45,886 --> 02:46:47,429
If you love
your Hong Kong action,
3187
02:46:47,453 --> 02:46:49,431
if you love your fantasy
and you love horror
3188
02:46:49,455 --> 02:46:52,086
thrown into that
with elements of Indiana Jones,
3189
02:46:52,110 --> 02:46:53,566
it's a movie you've got to watch
3190
02:46:53,590 --> 02:46:55,200
because
it's so bonkers and silly.
3191
02:46:56,549 --> 02:46:58,072
Uh!
3192
02:47:05,384 --> 02:47:07,971
There. Now, isn't that the best
song?
3193
02:47:07,995 --> 02:47:10,148
What kind of a weird plant
is that, Seymour?
3194
02:47:10,172 --> 02:47:11,758
Announcer:
"Little Shop of Horrors."
3195
02:47:11,782 --> 02:47:13,281
Rolfe: The original
"Little Shop of Horrors"
3196
02:47:13,305 --> 02:47:15,805
by Roger Corman
is about a florist,
3197
02:47:15,829 --> 02:47:18,373
Seymour,
whose shop is struggling,
3198
02:47:18,397 --> 02:47:21,246
until he grows this amazing
Venus fly trap,
3199
02:47:21,270 --> 02:47:24,229
but the problem is,
it only eats human flesh.
3200
02:47:27,580 --> 02:47:30,168
The 1982 musical
stage production
3201
02:47:30,192 --> 02:47:32,779
was adapted into the 1986 film
3202
02:47:32,803 --> 02:47:35,695
directed by Frank Oz
and starring Rick Moranis.
3203
02:47:35,719 --> 02:47:37,610
It seems like
the whole world's gone crazy.
3204
02:47:37,634 --> 02:47:40,526
At least we got
each other, right?
3205
02:47:40,550 --> 02:47:43,355
Audrey II is incredible.
3206
02:47:43,379 --> 02:47:46,140
These practical effects
were outstanding.
3207
02:47:46,164 --> 02:47:47,731
They look so good.
3208
02:47:48,819 --> 02:47:49,950
Does it have to be human?
3209
02:47:51,430 --> 02:47:52,866
Does it have to be mine?!
3210
02:47:54,346 --> 02:47:55,932
In order to get
the lip sync perfect,
3211
02:47:55,956 --> 02:47:59,197
they had to slow down
the frame rate of the plant.
3212
02:47:59,221 --> 02:48:01,633
But it works fantastic.
3213
02:48:01,657 --> 02:48:05,811
You sure do drive
a hard bargain.
3214
02:48:05,835 --> 02:48:07,508
Ellen Greene is great.
3215
02:48:07,532 --> 02:48:10,076
I mean, she has this funny,
squeaky voice.
3216
02:48:10,100 --> 02:48:12,339
I call it an Audrey II.
3217
02:48:12,363 --> 02:48:13,688
After me?
3218
02:48:13,712 --> 02:48:15,473
I hope you don't mind.
3219
02:48:15,497 --> 02:48:17,760
But then when she sings,
it's... it's gorgeous.
3220
02:48:25,550 --> 02:48:27,572
The songs are wonderful.
3221
02:48:27,596 --> 02:48:30,662
Also, you have this great cameo
by Steve Martin,
3222
02:48:30,686 --> 02:48:32,490
who plays this deranged dentist
3223
02:48:32,514 --> 02:48:34,777
who likes to inflict pain
on people.
3224
02:48:41,392 --> 02:48:43,544
But then he meets his match
with Bill Murray,
3225
02:48:43,568 --> 02:48:46,504
who's this patient who doesn't
want any Novocaine or anything.
3226
02:48:46,528 --> 02:48:49,071
Say "Ah."
Ahhhhh!
3227
02:48:49,095 --> 02:48:51,683
And Bill Murray is actually
filling in the role
3228
02:48:51,707 --> 02:48:54,381
that Jack Nicholson played
in the original.
3229
02:48:54,405 --> 02:48:55,798
No Novocaine.
It dulls the senses.
3230
02:48:57,234 --> 02:49:00,822
The original ending
was not a happy one.
3231
02:49:00,846 --> 02:49:03,999
In fact, it's relentlessly
dark and morbid.
3232
02:49:04,023 --> 02:49:07,829
Seymour's girlfriend, Audrey,
is fatally wounded by the plant,
3233
02:49:07,853 --> 02:49:11,746
and then he sacrifices
her corpse to the plant.
3234
02:49:11,770 --> 02:49:14,227
He slowly carries her up,
3235
02:49:14,251 --> 02:49:16,577
like it's some kind of ceremony.
3236
02:49:16,601 --> 02:49:20,083
It's tragic, yet somehow
beautiful at the same time.
3237
02:49:27,220 --> 02:49:30,702
He confronts the original plant,
only to be eaten himself.
3238
02:49:35,011 --> 02:49:37,468
The plants attack the city.
3239
02:49:37,492 --> 02:49:41,036
And it's a full-on
destruction sequence,
3240
02:49:41,060 --> 02:49:42,995
where the plants
destroy everything.
3241
02:49:43,019 --> 02:49:46,041
And it's some of the best
miniature-model work
3242
02:49:46,065 --> 02:49:47,391
I've ever seen.
3243
02:49:47,415 --> 02:49:51,090
Everybody in the whole
world dies.
3244
02:49:51,114 --> 02:49:56,032
It's so insanely depressing
that it's no wonder they cut it.
3245
02:50:00,906 --> 02:50:02,255
I mean, that was pretty crazy.
3246
02:50:11,308 --> 02:50:16,506
The allure of horror isn't just
watching other people in terror,
3247
02:50:16,530 --> 02:50:18,749
it's identifying with the people
who are in terror.
3248
02:50:20,447 --> 02:50:24,644
Crampton: People in life
naturally walk away from fear.
3249
02:50:24,668 --> 02:50:29,345
But in watching a horror movie,
it allows you to confront that
3250
02:50:29,369 --> 02:50:31,259
while someone else
is going through it.
3251
02:50:31,283 --> 02:50:33,131
It doesn't have to be you.
3252
02:50:33,155 --> 02:50:36,830
And usually there's somebody
in the film that is victorious,
3253
02:50:36,854 --> 02:50:40,728
and, by osmosis, it makes
you feel more confident.
3254
02:50:43,818 --> 02:50:45,970
The whole idea behind
living our lives
3255
02:50:45,994 --> 02:50:47,841
is having enough ordinary care
3256
02:50:47,865 --> 02:50:51,236
to see whatever threats may
materialize over the horizon.
3257
02:50:51,260 --> 02:50:53,499
That's what's basic to horror.
3258
02:50:53,523 --> 02:50:57,503
If I am that person, how do
I get out of that situation?
3259
02:50:57,527 --> 02:50:59,766
How do I live
through this moment?
3260
02:50:59,790 --> 02:51:01,899
We can experience that horror
and that terror
3261
02:51:01,923 --> 02:51:04,989
through somebody else's eyes.
3262
02:51:05,013 --> 02:51:07,687
And there's also a giant sense
of catharsis
3263
02:51:07,711 --> 02:51:11,212
and kind of a projection of,
"What if that was me?
3264
02:51:11,236 --> 02:51:14,283
Are they making the right
decisions that I would make?"
3265
02:51:15,502 --> 02:51:17,765
Dennis! Dennis!
3266
02:51:19,549 --> 02:51:21,135
Sometimes you end up
rooting more for the monster
3267
02:51:21,159 --> 02:51:22,528
than for the kids.
3268
02:51:22,552 --> 02:51:24,704
Now, in the traditional
horror movie,
3269
02:51:24,728 --> 02:51:26,837
we often saw things
from the victim's point of view,
3270
02:51:26,861 --> 02:51:28,491
but that's no longer.
3271
02:51:28,515 --> 02:51:30,231
Now we look through
the killer's eyes.
3272
02:51:30,255 --> 02:51:31,885
It's almost as if the audience
is being asked
3273
02:51:31,909 --> 02:51:34,497
to identify with the attackers
in these movies,
3274
02:51:34,521 --> 02:51:36,629
and that really bothers me.
3275
02:51:36,653 --> 02:51:39,066
Cunningham: Jason was meant
to be kind of a shark.
3276
02:51:39,090 --> 02:51:42,505
And he made this transition
from being a shark
3277
02:51:42,529 --> 02:51:45,421
to being, somehow or other,
a hero.
3278
02:51:45,445 --> 02:51:48,424
There's this tiny little
backstory about Jason
3279
02:51:48,448 --> 02:51:50,121
being picked on as a kid,
3280
02:51:50,145 --> 02:51:52,669
tormented,
and then finally drowned.
3281
02:51:57,413 --> 02:52:01,437
And ever since he came back,
he's been kicking ass.
3282
02:52:01,461 --> 02:52:06,074
And it's sort of like "Revenge
of the Nerds" on steroids.
3283
02:52:12,863 --> 02:52:14,972
There's a certain kind
of identification
3284
02:52:14,996 --> 02:52:20,741
with Jason being the super ego
of the depressed kid.
3285
02:52:21,959 --> 02:52:24,764
You get to have your fantasy
that you're the killer.
3286
02:52:24,788 --> 02:52:26,723
You're ripping out hearts,
you're ripping out throats,
3287
02:52:26,747 --> 02:52:28,594
"You know what, boss? I'll tell
you what I'd like to do."
3288
02:52:28,618 --> 02:52:29,726
Rrrr-rrrr-rrr.
3289
02:52:29,750 --> 02:52:31,553
You could be the little person
3290
02:52:31,577 --> 02:52:34,860
that finally got
to beat up the meanies.
3291
02:52:34,884 --> 02:52:37,428
You could be the girl
that nobody liked,
3292
02:52:37,452 --> 02:52:39,498
and you're gonna get them
in the end.
3293
02:52:44,154 --> 02:52:46,611
I think it's more
like vicariousness.
3294
02:52:46,635 --> 02:52:48,439
I don't think it's catharsis.
3295
02:52:48,463 --> 02:52:52,922
I think people maybe are curious
about how it would feel to be
3296
02:52:52,946 --> 02:52:56,621
in a power position,
or curious about the rush
3297
02:52:56,645 --> 02:52:59,822
that you would get out
of executing somebody.
3298
02:53:02,999 --> 02:53:06,065
You watch people, how much
they love video games, too.
3299
02:53:06,089 --> 02:53:08,720
Like, it's not catharsis.
3300
02:53:08,744 --> 02:53:11,375
I think it's...
It's more than that.
3301
02:53:11,399 --> 02:53:13,943
It depends on what world
you want to escape into.
3302
02:53:13,967 --> 02:53:16,598
And I think if you watch the...
"Hey, I'm watching the kids
3303
02:53:16,622 --> 02:53:18,513
run through the woods
to get their heads cut off,"
3304
02:53:18,537 --> 02:53:20,756
you feel good
because you're not in the woods.
3305
02:53:23,150 --> 02:53:25,650
You... You live in a world
that, you know, doesn't...
3306
02:53:25,674 --> 02:53:28,174
That doesn't actually
hopefully happen to you.
3307
02:53:28,198 --> 02:53:29,959
And then in that fantasy world,
3308
02:53:29,983 --> 02:53:32,135
or that spy-adventure-movie
world,
3309
02:53:32,159 --> 02:53:33,919
you want to be
one of those characters.
3310
02:53:33,943 --> 02:53:35,834
So they're two completely
different things.
3311
02:53:35,858 --> 02:53:37,836
The categorical difference
between a horror movie
3312
02:53:37,860 --> 02:53:40,578
and a... a...
A violent action movie
3313
02:53:40,602 --> 02:53:44,408
has to do with the experience.
3314
02:53:44,432 --> 02:53:47,237
On "Death Wish," you are Paul.
3315
02:53:47,261 --> 02:53:49,195
You get the gun, you go out
3316
02:53:49,219 --> 02:53:52,155
and you shoot these
sort of faceless victims.
3317
02:53:52,179 --> 02:53:54,505
In a horror movie,
you're the victim.
3318
02:53:54,529 --> 02:53:56,879
The whole experience
is completely flipped.
3319
02:53:59,142 --> 02:54:01,338
That is a significant difference
on a cinematic level,
3320
02:54:01,362 --> 02:54:02,687
on a political level,
3321
02:54:02,711 --> 02:54:05,516
on what it has to say
about society,
3322
02:54:05,540 --> 02:54:08,345
but it's also a difference
critically in terms
3323
02:54:08,369 --> 02:54:10,042
of how it's getting
at your subconscious.
3324
02:54:10,066 --> 02:54:11,609
An action movie of that type,
3325
02:54:11,633 --> 02:54:14,177
it has a kind of
wish-fulfillment aspect to it.
3326
02:54:14,201 --> 02:54:16,353
Every time he goes out
and shoots one of these,
3327
02:54:16,377 --> 02:54:18,834
like, hoodlums,
you get a dopamine hit.
3328
02:54:18,858 --> 02:54:21,706
It's like a video game.
Like, "Oh, I got another one."
3329
02:54:21,730 --> 02:54:23,534
In a horror movie,
you know, it's...
3330
02:54:23,558 --> 02:54:25,362
It's more like a nightmare.
3331
02:54:25,386 --> 02:54:27,886
You're put in this position
of kind of existential dread
3332
02:54:27,910 --> 02:54:31,368
or threat that is pursuing you
in some way,
3333
02:54:31,392 --> 02:54:36,179
which gets into much, much
deeper aspects of human nature.
3334
02:54:40,401 --> 02:54:43,946
Horror movies have
a much more complicated
3335
02:54:43,970 --> 02:54:46,536
and I would say deeper level
that they're getting at.
3336
02:54:52,717 --> 02:54:54,390
I was never really
a video-game guy.
3337
02:54:54,414 --> 02:54:56,348
I was more of a pinball guy.
3338
02:54:56,372 --> 02:54:59,264
Nowadays there's
an Elvira pinball machine.
3339
02:54:59,288 --> 02:55:01,876
There's a Rob Zombie
pinball machine.
3340
02:55:01,900 --> 02:55:03,617
I'm pinball, man.
3341
02:55:03,641 --> 02:55:05,575
Today you have a lot
of great horror games,
3342
02:55:05,599 --> 02:55:07,795
especially with the... the VR.
3343
02:55:07,819 --> 02:55:10,517
I mean, there's all kinds
of things they can do now.
3344
02:55:14,347 --> 02:55:16,847
Even now, you have some that are
based on '80s horror films
3345
02:55:16,871 --> 02:55:19,328
like the recent
"Friday the 13th video" game,
3346
02:55:19,352 --> 02:55:21,983
which is connected
with Tom Savini and Kane Hodder,
3347
02:55:22,007 --> 02:55:23,637
but we didn't always have that.
3348
02:55:23,661 --> 02:55:28,250
Back then, video-game technology
wasn't as advanced.
3349
02:55:28,274 --> 02:55:30,339
Wizard Video was releasing
these games like
3350
02:55:30,363 --> 02:55:33,298
"Texas Chainsaw Massacre"
and "Halloween."
3351
02:55:33,322 --> 02:55:36,606
In "Texas Chainsaw Massacre,"
you're the bad guy.
3352
02:55:36,630 --> 02:55:38,869
You are Leatherface,
and you're killing people.
3353
02:55:38,893 --> 02:55:40,915
Like, there's no morals
in this game.
3354
02:55:40,939 --> 02:55:44,745
It's sort of like one
of the first real sadistic games
3355
02:55:44,769 --> 02:55:46,660
where you control the killer.
3356
02:55:46,684 --> 02:55:50,664
You basically get points for
chopping people up.
3357
02:55:50,688 --> 02:55:52,100
One thing that's funny
about the chainsaw
3358
02:55:52,124 --> 02:55:54,537
is that it's the same color
as the body.
3359
02:55:54,561 --> 02:55:56,931
It's sort of like
an extension of his body,
3360
02:55:56,955 --> 02:56:00,064
and you get stuck on everything.
3361
02:56:00,088 --> 02:56:02,980
Then there was "Halloween,"
also on Atari.
3362
02:56:03,004 --> 02:56:04,634
You're running
from Michael Myers.
3363
02:56:04,658 --> 02:56:05,983
You have to get the kids
3364
02:56:06,007 --> 02:56:07,637
and move them
to a corner of the house.
3365
02:56:07,661 --> 02:56:12,033
And every time you do that,
you get 675 points.
3366
02:56:12,057 --> 02:56:14,078
Very specific.
3367
02:56:14,102 --> 02:56:16,602
It also has what might be
the first head decapitation
3368
02:56:16,626 --> 02:56:18,126
in a video game.
3369
02:56:18,150 --> 02:56:20,171
I mean, I can't think
of any games before that
3370
02:56:20,195 --> 02:56:23,827
where a head gets cut off,
and you see blood spurting out.
3371
02:56:23,851 --> 02:56:26,419
And it also has the "Halloween"
theme song in it.
3372
02:56:31,206 --> 02:56:35,578
They were super, super cheesy,
just little pixels,
3373
02:56:35,602 --> 02:56:37,406
So bad.
3374
02:56:37,430 --> 02:56:41,802
So the Atari version of "Alien"
basically took Pac-Man
3375
02:56:41,826 --> 02:56:45,264
and then just turned it
into "Alien."
3376
02:56:47,396 --> 02:56:49,940
"Frankenstein's Monster"
on Atari,
3377
02:56:49,964 --> 02:56:51,725
it had this great moment
3378
02:56:51,749 --> 02:56:56,077
where the Frankenstein monster
would approach the screen.
3379
02:56:56,101 --> 02:56:58,340
If you played in the dark
at night,
3380
02:56:58,364 --> 02:57:00,974
the whole room
would just flash green.
3381
02:57:07,720 --> 02:57:09,089
I did a few games.
3382
02:57:09,113 --> 02:57:11,419
One was "Elvira:
Mistress of the Dark."
3383
02:57:15,902 --> 02:57:18,533
One was "The Jaws of Cerberus."
3384
02:57:18,557 --> 02:57:20,117
I don't know what I had
to do with that.
3385
02:57:27,392 --> 02:57:30,371
And one was "Elvira:
The Arcade Game."
3386
02:57:30,395 --> 02:57:32,963
They kind of got better
as time went on.
3387
02:57:37,881 --> 02:57:39,641
Everybody was grabbing
their joystick
3388
02:57:39,665 --> 02:57:40,865
and having a really good time.
3389
02:57:45,105 --> 02:57:48,258
There was this one game called
"Monster Party" for the NES.
3390
02:57:48,282 --> 02:57:50,739
And I can remember renting it
as a kid
3391
02:57:50,763 --> 02:57:53,742
and being really excited because
the box art was great on it.
3392
02:57:53,766 --> 02:57:55,570
It had all these
different monsters on it,
3393
02:57:55,594 --> 02:57:58,094
and I popped the game in
and was kind of disappointed
3394
02:57:58,118 --> 02:58:00,009
because it wasn't as good
as the box art.
3395
02:58:00,033 --> 02:58:01,532
It was an important lesson
I learned about
3396
02:58:01,556 --> 02:58:03,558
never judge a game by its cover.
3397
02:58:07,127 --> 02:58:09,105
The interesting thing
about horror video games
3398
02:58:09,129 --> 02:58:11,107
is that I've watched
the graphics progress
3399
02:58:11,131 --> 02:58:13,893
to a point where they are able
to get more graphic,
3400
02:58:13,917 --> 02:58:16,765
and as a result, the games
became more controversial.
3401
02:58:16,789 --> 02:58:18,854
I remember hearing
controversies about "Doom,"
3402
02:58:18,878 --> 02:58:20,377
about "Resident Evil,"
3403
02:58:20,401 --> 02:58:21,857
even something like
"Mortal Kombat"
3404
02:58:21,881 --> 02:58:23,511
was a big deal when I was a kid.
3405
02:58:23,535 --> 02:58:26,035
And it was all because the
graphics had progressed
3406
02:58:26,059 --> 02:58:30,083
to a point where you could show
all these sort of graphic things
3407
02:58:30,107 --> 02:58:32,955
that you previously would have
only been able to see in movies,
3408
02:58:32,979 --> 02:58:35,479
that you could now see
in these games.
3409
02:58:35,503 --> 02:58:37,917
And a lot of parents groups
and politicians
3410
02:58:37,941 --> 02:58:39,309
did not like that.
3411
02:58:39,333 --> 02:58:41,964
You're engaged now
as the aggressor.
3412
02:58:41,988 --> 02:58:44,358
You're engaged as the person
who commits the violence
3413
02:58:44,382 --> 02:58:47,622
and not just someone
who watches the violence.
3414
02:58:47,646 --> 02:58:51,147
Trachenburg: "The Ghostbusters"
game for the Commodore 64,
3415
02:58:51,171 --> 02:58:55,369
you are the Ghostbusters and you
start off a lot like the movie.
3416
02:58:55,393 --> 02:58:58,633
You have to go and buy
all your different equipment.
3417
02:58:58,657 --> 02:59:00,504
You put it together,
and then you go out
3418
02:59:00,528 --> 02:59:03,551
and you hunt ghosts
in order to get enough money
3419
02:59:03,575 --> 02:59:07,405
to be able to get
to the finale of the game.
3420
02:59:10,451 --> 02:59:14,412
You would get in the Ecto-1,
you would drive to the location.
3421
02:59:16,022 --> 02:59:17,912
And there would be a ghost
3422
02:59:17,936 --> 02:59:20,523
that looked like Slimer
that's flying around.
3423
02:59:20,547 --> 02:59:24,223
And you have to position
your two Ghostbusters together
3424
02:59:24,247 --> 02:59:27,269
to trap the ghosts
in between the streams.
3425
02:59:27,293 --> 02:59:29,469
And then you can suck them up
in the trap.
3426
02:59:31,950 --> 02:59:35,234
Not really challenging, but fun.
3427
02:59:35,258 --> 02:59:37,173
Ghostbusters!
3428
02:59:39,001 --> 02:59:42,284
"Nightmare on Elm Street"
was one of the few NES games
3429
02:59:42,308 --> 02:59:44,156
where you could play
four players
3430
02:59:44,180 --> 02:59:47,159
using the NES Four Score.
3431
02:59:47,183 --> 02:59:48,551
You're running around
Elm Street,
3432
02:59:48,575 --> 02:59:50,553
which happens to be
the longest street
3433
02:59:50,577 --> 02:59:52,207
in the world in this game,
3434
02:59:52,231 --> 02:59:55,167
but the idea is to collect
all of Freddy's bones.
3435
02:59:55,191 --> 02:59:59,388
You have all these stock
villains like lollipop ghosts
3436
02:59:59,412 --> 03:00:01,390
with stick arms, bats,
3437
03:00:01,414 --> 03:00:03,958
skeletons,
Frankenstein monsters.
3438
03:00:03,982 --> 03:00:06,526
It's so generic.
3439
03:00:06,550 --> 03:00:08,789
Every once in a while,
Freddy would appear,
3440
03:00:08,813 --> 03:00:11,052
and it would say
"Freddy's coming,"
3441
03:00:11,076 --> 03:00:14,950
but it would be a "Freddy's...
Trademark... "coming."
3442
03:00:18,562 --> 03:00:20,714
"Friday the 13th" on NES
3443
03:00:20,738 --> 03:00:23,064
might have been one of the first
horror games I've ever played.
3444
03:00:23,088 --> 03:00:24,892
And there's a bunch of items
you have to collect
3445
03:00:24,916 --> 03:00:27,677
but you'll never have time
because this Jason alarm
3446
03:00:27,701 --> 03:00:29,375
keeps going off
and you have to keep on top
3447
03:00:29,399 --> 03:00:32,073
of he's out there killing
the camp counselors.
3448
03:00:32,097 --> 03:00:35,163
Then you go inside the house
and it switches to 3D,
3449
03:00:35,187 --> 03:00:36,904
which was kind of cool
at that time.
3450
03:00:36,928 --> 03:00:38,166
It was one of the first
horror games
3451
03:00:38,190 --> 03:00:39,931
that really made
an impression on me.
3452
03:00:42,281 --> 03:00:46,174
"You and your friends are dead.
Game over."
3453
03:00:46,198 --> 03:00:49,395
"That's kind of rough, you know?
3454
03:00:49,419 --> 03:00:51,353
A lot of these games
don't really hold up,
3455
03:00:51,377 --> 03:00:54,443
but back then you used
your imagination.
3456
03:00:54,467 --> 03:00:56,880
And you made the best of it,
because that's all we had.
3457
03:00:56,904 --> 03:00:59,796
But we would have never imagined
that, you know,
3458
03:00:59,820 --> 03:01:02,712
all these decades later,
you get a real
3459
03:01:02,736 --> 03:01:05,367
"Friday the 13th" game that
definitely feels more official
3460
03:01:05,391 --> 03:01:07,065
than, you know,
the type of games
3461
03:01:07,089 --> 03:01:08,873
they would
usually put out in the '80s.
3462
03:01:13,486 --> 03:01:15,943
The "Friday the 13th" game,
3463
03:01:15,967 --> 03:01:19,903
as a player, you can play
as Jason, which is fun,
3464
03:01:19,927 --> 03:01:21,993
or as any of the victims,
3465
03:01:22,017 --> 03:01:24,517
trying to get away from Jason
or defeat Jason.
3466
03:01:24,541 --> 03:01:26,606
So I thought that was
an ingenious way
3467
03:01:26,630 --> 03:01:29,957
of building a video game.
3468
03:01:29,981 --> 03:01:32,045
In this video game,
you can play as
3469
03:01:32,069 --> 03:01:34,787
several different versions
of Jason.
3470
03:01:34,811 --> 03:01:37,398
I was honored that they
wanted me to be a part of it,
3471
03:01:37,422 --> 03:01:40,793
because this is animation,
basically,
3472
03:01:40,817 --> 03:01:42,664
so they could have used anyone.
3473
03:01:42,688 --> 03:01:46,016
But it was in their minds
I was the person to do it,
3474
03:01:46,040 --> 03:01:48,825
because they liked how I moved
as the character.
3475
03:01:51,915 --> 03:01:53,675
Savini:
"Friday the 13th" video game,
3476
03:01:53,699 --> 03:01:57,375
I essentially did what I did
on the movie,
3477
03:01:57,399 --> 03:02:00,247
except not physically, right.
3478
03:02:00,271 --> 03:02:03,057
My job was to sit down
and create kills.
3479
03:02:09,063 --> 03:02:13,217
On paper, they didn't seem
so horrible and grisly,
3480
03:02:13,241 --> 03:02:14,479
but then seeing him in a game
I was like
3481
03:02:14,503 --> 03:02:16,896
"Oh, God, you know,
I wrote that."
3482
03:02:20,900 --> 03:02:22,835
I created them on paper,
3483
03:02:22,859 --> 03:02:24,750
and then
Kane Hodder donned the suit
3484
03:02:24,774 --> 03:02:27,951
and did the motion capture
for all the kills.
3485
03:02:29,735 --> 03:02:33,019
You're wearing spandex,
which is scary to think of me
3486
03:02:33,043 --> 03:02:35,630
in spandex anyway,
with sensors everywhere.
3487
03:02:35,654 --> 03:02:37,850
So I'll look at the monitor,
I see Jason.
3488
03:02:37,874 --> 03:02:40,853
Whenever I would move I would
see exactly what the character
3489
03:02:40,877 --> 03:02:42,139
is gonna look like in the game.
3490
03:02:44,054 --> 03:02:47,251
By the way, Kane Hodder
plays the game,
3491
03:02:47,275 --> 03:02:49,862
but he plays it
as a camp counselor
3492
03:02:49,886 --> 03:02:51,472
trying to outwit himself.
3493
03:02:51,496 --> 03:02:54,084
Is it's not as easy
as you would think.
3494
03:02:54,108 --> 03:02:58,436
And I played as a counselor,
trying to defeat Jason,
3495
03:02:58,460 --> 03:03:00,679
and I just got my ass whooped.
3496
03:03:02,855 --> 03:03:04,814
Eh, it's more fun
to be the bad guy.
3497
03:03:16,739 --> 03:03:20,240
Announcer: Harry Angel has been
hired to search for the truth.
3498
03:03:20,264 --> 03:03:22,634
Pray he doesn't find it.
3499
03:03:22,658 --> 03:03:25,506
"Angel Heart" was another one
of those "Exorcist,"
3500
03:03:25,530 --> 03:03:28,074
"Rosemary's Baby"
kind of movies.
3501
03:03:28,098 --> 03:03:29,684
I think it's completely
underrated.
3502
03:03:29,708 --> 03:03:31,904
I think it's one
of Alan Parker's,
3503
03:03:31,928 --> 03:03:34,863
who directed, I think
it's one of his best ever.
3504
03:03:34,887 --> 03:03:36,474
A guy making a deal
3505
03:03:36,498 --> 03:03:39,868
with the devil not really
knowing it's the devil.
3506
03:03:39,892 --> 03:03:42,958
It's funny I have a feeling
I've met you before.
3507
03:03:42,982 --> 03:03:45,135
I don't know, I don't think so.
3508
03:03:45,159 --> 03:03:47,658
Mickey Rourke is terrific in it,
De Niro is terrific in it,
3509
03:03:47,682 --> 03:03:50,878
and it's great to see them
operating together.
3510
03:03:50,902 --> 03:03:52,358
How terrible is wisdom
3511
03:03:52,382 --> 03:03:55,448
when it brings
no profit to the wise, Johnny.
3512
03:03:55,472 --> 03:03:57,929
That was one of the attractions
of it, was we get to see
3513
03:03:57,953 --> 03:04:01,628
Lisa Bonet, the Cosby kid
as a little sexpot.
3514
03:04:01,652 --> 03:04:03,021
So, the gods got you pregnant?
3515
03:04:03,045 --> 03:04:04,588
- Yeah.
- I understand that.
3516
03:04:04,612 --> 03:04:06,459
-Sorry.
3517
03:04:06,483 --> 03:04:09,158
I'm not, it was the best fuck
I ever had.
3518
03:04:09,182 --> 03:04:10,724
Very much about the '80s,
3519
03:04:10,748 --> 03:04:12,857
very much
about behaving yourself
3520
03:04:12,881 --> 03:04:16,339
and not being as decadent
and horrible and cruel
3521
03:04:16,363 --> 03:04:18,210
and awful to people as...
3522
03:04:18,234 --> 03:04:22,475
As the '80s allowed you to be,
seemed to be in fashion then.
3523
03:04:22,499 --> 03:04:25,304
De Niro has this
spectacular moment.
3524
03:04:25,328 --> 03:04:30,396
He's talking about the an egg as
sort of a metaphor for the soul.
3525
03:04:30,420 --> 03:04:33,921
You know, some religions think
that the egg
3526
03:04:33,945 --> 03:04:36,359
is the symbol of the soul.
Did you know that?
3527
03:04:36,383 --> 03:04:38,883
And at the end of
this beautiful speech,
3528
03:04:38,907 --> 03:04:41,755
takes a big honkin' bite
out of the egg,
3529
03:04:41,779 --> 03:04:45,261
just big teeth
and everything right into it.
3530
03:04:51,224 --> 03:04:53,419
It's De Niro as
you've never seen him,
3531
03:04:53,443 --> 03:04:56,596
or seen him before since.
3532
03:04:56,620 --> 03:04:59,251
He's going down
the elevator at the end
3533
03:04:59,275 --> 03:05:01,384
and descending into hell
3534
03:05:01,408 --> 03:05:03,473
and not having
any choice about it.
3535
03:05:03,497 --> 03:05:06,824
It's a great horrible
cautionary tale as well.
3536
03:05:06,848 --> 03:05:08,217
But boy, oh boy.
3537
03:05:08,241 --> 03:05:10,112
Only the soul is immortal.
3538
03:05:12,419 --> 03:05:14,725
Yours belongs to me.
3539
03:05:21,558 --> 03:05:23,928
Announcer: The scares comes
twice as quickly in...
3540
03:05:23,952 --> 03:05:25,736
I... beat... you.
3541
03:05:27,564 --> 03:05:29,455
Announcer: "Creepshow 2."
3542
03:05:29,479 --> 03:05:31,849
"Creepshow 1" was such a success
3543
03:05:31,873 --> 03:05:34,199
that they of course
had to put out a sequel,
3544
03:05:34,223 --> 03:05:37,202
"Creepshow 2" was not
as memorable as the first
3545
03:05:37,226 --> 03:05:39,750
but it did have some
very memorable segments.
3546
03:05:41,796 --> 03:05:44,818
So here we were, you know,
in Arizona, you know,
3547
03:05:44,842 --> 03:05:46,385
doing another "Creepshow."
3548
03:05:46,409 --> 03:05:47,995
Mike Gornick directed it.
3549
03:05:48,019 --> 03:05:49,649
I love being with Mike Gornick.
3550
03:05:49,673 --> 03:05:51,085
I might have been
a little miffed
3551
03:05:51,109 --> 03:05:54,132
that I wasn't asked to do
the effects on it,
3552
03:05:54,156 --> 03:05:58,702
and I think their intention
was to save money or something,
3553
03:05:58,726 --> 03:06:00,181
then they offered me
the role of the creep.
3554
03:06:00,205 --> 03:06:01,922
Okay, great, you know, so.
3555
03:06:01,946 --> 03:06:03,793
And I, you know, I just mimed
that whole thing,
3556
03:06:03,817 --> 03:06:05,316
the dialogue was recorded.
3557
03:06:05,340 --> 03:06:09,364
I never seen anyone
so impatient, Billy.
3558
03:06:09,388 --> 03:06:10,930
In fact,
when I played the creep,
3559
03:06:10,954 --> 03:06:13,803
I insisted that
when my scene was over,
3560
03:06:13,827 --> 03:06:16,806
I must immediately have
the makeup removed
3561
03:06:16,830 --> 03:06:18,068
and walk into a shower.
3562
03:06:18,092 --> 03:06:19,461
Hey, kids.
3563
03:06:19,485 --> 03:06:21,854
My nightmares involve
being sticky.
3564
03:06:21,878 --> 03:06:23,465
I can't be sticky.
3565
03:06:23,489 --> 03:06:26,816
So wearing that makeup
is the stickiest feel.
3566
03:06:26,840 --> 03:06:28,948
I hate wearing it, but it's good
that I have worn it
3567
03:06:28,972 --> 03:06:30,254
because I know
what I'm doing to people
3568
03:06:30,278 --> 03:06:31,777
when I put it on them, okay.
3569
03:06:31,801 --> 03:06:37,392
I never seen anyone
so impatient, Billy.
3570
03:06:37,416 --> 03:06:40,917
Anthologies are hard.
They're a hard sell.
3571
03:06:40,941 --> 03:06:44,137
Because if you had a story that
was good enough for a movie,
3572
03:06:44,161 --> 03:06:46,749
you'd make a whole movie
about it.
3573
03:06:46,773 --> 03:06:48,968
Starts off with of course,
the wooden Indian,
3574
03:06:48,992 --> 03:06:52,407
the old trope
of the kind store owners
3575
03:06:52,431 --> 03:06:54,452
that are elderly get,
you know, beat up
3576
03:06:54,476 --> 03:06:58,500
and killed by these creeps
that are robbing the store.
3577
03:06:58,524 --> 03:07:01,633
And then of course,
the wooden Indian outside turns
3578
03:07:01,657 --> 03:07:03,529
real and murders
these three kids.
3579
03:07:07,184 --> 03:07:08,379
Then we get to "The Raft,"
which is great.
3580
03:07:08,403 --> 03:07:10,250
They did a great job of it.
3581
03:07:10,274 --> 03:07:12,949
It's a creepy story about four
friends who swim out to a raft
3582
03:07:12,973 --> 03:07:15,908
and then this giant oil slick
that's living
3583
03:07:15,932 --> 03:07:18,892
and has magical powers that can
mesmerize you, kills them all.
3584
03:07:25,246 --> 03:07:27,006
It's one of my wife's
favorite movies
3585
03:07:27,030 --> 03:07:29,269
but when I say to her, "you know
that was just a big garbage"
3586
03:07:29,293 --> 03:07:30,793
but no, no, no, no,
she doesn't want to hear
3587
03:07:30,817 --> 03:07:32,384
about the effects, okay.
3588
03:07:34,821 --> 03:07:39,802
The creature in the lake, using
ultra slime and tinted Metacil
3589
03:07:39,826 --> 03:07:41,107
and all this kind of stuff.
3590
03:07:41,131 --> 03:07:43,327
This sequence where
Page Hannah is...
3591
03:07:43,351 --> 03:07:44,807
Is attacked by the creature,
3592
03:07:44,831 --> 03:07:46,199
we had a bunch
of different gags.
3593
03:07:46,223 --> 03:07:48,332
We had an arm prosthetic
that I sculpted
3594
03:07:48,356 --> 03:07:49,899
with bladders underneath it,
3595
03:07:49,923 --> 03:07:53,511
and then we built
these different versions of her
3596
03:07:53,535 --> 03:07:57,887
sort of melted as the blob
is kind of enveloping her.
3597
03:08:00,934 --> 03:08:03,521
One of the funniest moments
of that
3598
03:08:03,545 --> 03:08:06,568
was we were prepping
for Chief Wooden Head,
3599
03:08:06,592 --> 03:08:09,397
and Howard Berger had called and
said, "We need slime.
3600
03:08:09,421 --> 03:08:12,032
We were shooting another shot
and we're out of slime."
3601
03:08:13,555 --> 03:08:15,533
I was like driving
like 50 miles an hour,
3602
03:08:15,557 --> 03:08:18,187
60 miles an hour
on these side streets.
3603
03:08:18,211 --> 03:08:20,885
And I turned a corner and one of
the buckets in the back seat
3604
03:08:20,909 --> 03:08:22,887
spilled.
3605
03:08:22,911 --> 03:08:24,541
And I looked at down at my feet
3606
03:08:24,565 --> 03:08:27,544
and this black sludge
went up underneath the seat,
3607
03:08:27,568 --> 03:08:30,591
my foot's now stuck
to the gas pedal and the brake.
3608
03:08:30,615 --> 03:08:32,723
So we were literally
scooping it out
3609
03:08:32,747 --> 03:08:34,377
and running to dress the set.
3610
03:08:34,401 --> 03:08:36,621
I beat you!
3611
03:08:37,839 --> 03:08:39,338
It's always tough to do a sequel
3612
03:08:39,362 --> 03:08:42,733
I think, and particularly
an anthological sequel
3613
03:08:42,757 --> 03:08:45,127
because the expectations
are already high,
3614
03:08:45,151 --> 03:08:48,086
because of how well
the first "Creepshow" did
3615
03:08:48,110 --> 03:08:50,635
and how much
it connected with fans.
3616
03:08:51,853 --> 03:08:53,657
It was missing that spark.
3617
03:08:53,681 --> 03:08:57,226
It tries, but I don't think
it nearly reaches the heights
3618
03:08:57,250 --> 03:08:58,662
that "Creepshow 1" did.
3619
03:08:58,686 --> 03:09:00,253
No.
3620
03:09:10,829 --> 03:09:12,546
Announcer: The "Blood Diner."
3621
03:09:12,570 --> 03:09:14,069
First they greet you...
3622
03:09:14,093 --> 03:09:15,853
then they eat you.
3623
03:09:15,877 --> 03:09:18,595
No one under 17 admitted.
3624
03:09:18,619 --> 03:09:21,337
And what's great about horror is
you can make social commentary
3625
03:09:21,361 --> 03:09:24,253
while entertaining people
on this roller coaster ride.
3626
03:09:24,277 --> 03:09:26,342
You're not gonna
sit there passively
3627
03:09:26,366 --> 03:09:28,431
in a Jackie Kong movie,
for sure.
3628
03:09:28,455 --> 03:09:30,041
What's the story
of "Blood Diner"?
3629
03:09:30,065 --> 03:09:34,089
Blood Diner is family loyalty
gone wrong.
3630
03:09:34,113 --> 03:09:35,743
They love their uncle.
3631
03:09:35,767 --> 03:09:38,813
The problem is the uncle
is a psychopath serial killer.
3632
03:09:42,687 --> 03:09:44,882
The script was serious
as a heart attack.
3633
03:09:44,906 --> 03:09:47,711
From what I understood,
it was a scene by scene rip-off
3634
03:09:47,735 --> 03:09:48,973
of "Blood Feast."
3635
03:09:48,997 --> 03:09:50,671
Herschel Gordon Lewis's
execution
3636
03:09:50,695 --> 03:09:55,153
is a completely different
execution of what I did.
3637
03:09:55,177 --> 03:09:57,179
"Blood Diner"
transcends the genre.
3638
03:10:00,095 --> 03:10:02,378
Ah.
3639
03:10:02,402 --> 03:10:05,816
I had the killers being
extremely likable guys.
3640
03:10:05,840 --> 03:10:07,165
It was not scripted that way.
3641
03:10:07,189 --> 03:10:08,471
It was scripted they were
supposed to be
3642
03:10:08,495 --> 03:10:10,342
these ghoulish
brothers that go around,
3643
03:10:10,366 --> 03:10:12,649
you could see them
a mile away coming,
3644
03:10:12,673 --> 03:10:15,434
and they kill people and stitch
together this female
3645
03:10:15,458 --> 03:10:18,568
Frankenstein in the back
of their popular
3646
03:10:18,592 --> 03:10:21,353
restaurant
3647
03:10:21,377 --> 03:10:26,881
The idea of reanimating family
members brain and having
3648
03:10:26,905 --> 03:10:31,886
that brain tell you to commit
mass homicide, was so out there.
3649
03:10:31,910 --> 03:10:36,063
You, my nephews, must construct
Sheetar from the body parts
3650
03:10:36,087 --> 03:10:37,760
of many immoral girls.
3651
03:10:37,784 --> 03:10:41,851
It's really misguided family
loyalty at its extreme.
3652
03:10:41,875 --> 03:10:43,529
I wanted to shock people.
3653
03:10:45,575 --> 03:10:47,117
Am I doing this right,
Uncle Anwar?
3654
03:10:47,141 --> 03:10:48,684
I was just having fun.
3655
03:10:48,708 --> 03:10:50,947
It doesn't bother me
to have a naked woman
3656
03:10:50,971 --> 03:10:54,018
doing nude aerobics
because I'm a woman.
3657
03:10:55,759 --> 03:10:56,997
A nude Kung Fu scene?
3658
03:10:57,021 --> 03:10:58,520
No one had ever done that.
3659
03:10:58,544 --> 03:10:59,869
I had to do that.
3660
03:10:59,893 --> 03:11:02,742
And why did I do that?
3661
03:11:02,766 --> 03:11:06,702
She's completely nude,
full bush.
3662
03:11:06,726 --> 03:11:11,228
I wanted her to be naked because
I wanted her to look vulnerable.
3663
03:11:11,252 --> 03:11:14,449
You think it's an easy kill
for sure, and that's when the...
3664
03:11:14,473 --> 03:11:17,452
Where the surprise comes in.
3665
03:11:17,476 --> 03:11:19,846
And my job as the director
is to throw them off
3666
03:11:19,870 --> 03:11:21,369
in the head another direction.
3667
03:11:21,393 --> 03:11:23,371
The people that I work with,
my actors
3668
03:11:23,395 --> 03:11:27,375
and my crew don't have a problem
at all working with a woman.
3669
03:11:27,399 --> 03:11:29,986
Where you run into the problems
are with the executives,
3670
03:11:30,010 --> 03:11:32,032
there was a disconnect.
3671
03:11:32,056 --> 03:11:35,905
How could this little
Asian young woman
3672
03:11:35,929 --> 03:11:38,821
direct this outrageous
off the hook,
3673
03:11:38,845 --> 03:11:41,824
violent movie, right?
3674
03:11:41,848 --> 03:11:44,914
Funny, ridiculous
absurdist piece.
3675
03:11:44,938 --> 03:11:46,374
Hey, hey!
3676
03:11:49,073 --> 03:11:50,703
Things haven't
changed that much.
3677
03:11:50,727 --> 03:11:52,443
It's not a contest.
3678
03:11:52,467 --> 03:11:54,924
It's really isn't, it just is
who's qualified to do it,
3679
03:11:54,948 --> 03:11:56,384
and I bring attention to that.
3680
03:11:57,690 --> 03:11:59,581
Bastards!
You goddamn fickle bastards!
3681
03:11:59,605 --> 03:12:00,843
You'll pay for this!
3682
03:12:00,867 --> 03:12:03,324
My sets look like
the United Nations
3683
03:12:03,348 --> 03:12:04,847
Okay.
3684
03:12:04,871 --> 03:12:08,155
You've got every possible
nationality working,
3685
03:12:08,179 --> 03:12:11,637
and you've got half of the crew,
if not more, women.
3686
03:12:11,661 --> 03:12:14,248
And that's why you see
a big representation
3687
03:12:14,272 --> 03:12:15,553
of different ethnicities,
3688
03:12:15,577 --> 03:12:17,381
because that's the way
I saw the world.
3689
03:12:17,405 --> 03:12:19,209
Jesus fucking Christ,
what am I paying you two for?
3690
03:12:19,233 --> 03:12:23,150
The way I saw that finale
was like a war scene.
3691
03:12:24,804 --> 03:12:26,913
It was an insane undertaking,
3692
03:12:26,937 --> 03:12:30,656
but Sheetar bites that head off
of a virgin
3693
03:12:30,680 --> 03:12:33,963
with her giant vagina
3694
03:12:33,987 --> 03:12:37,774
with teeth in a ritual that
brings her to life, how absurd.
3695
03:12:40,211 --> 03:12:41,971
Censors were shutting it down.
3696
03:12:41,995 --> 03:12:44,998
They said it had no socially
redeeming values whatsoever.
3697
03:12:47,522 --> 03:12:49,499
It just was misunderstood,
the film,
3698
03:12:49,523 --> 03:12:51,240
and it was way
ahead of its time.
3699
03:12:51,264 --> 03:12:54,766
Yet I found my followers.
3700
03:12:54,790 --> 03:12:57,420
Right before I stick
my big sausage in you,
3701
03:12:57,444 --> 03:12:59,031
what do they call 'ya?
3702
03:12:59,055 --> 03:13:01,971
They call me Sheetar.
3703
03:13:11,676 --> 03:13:14,742
Announcer: "Hello Mary Lou:
Prom Night II."
3704
03:13:14,766 --> 03:13:16,483
"Hello Mary Lou: Prom Night II"
3705
03:13:16,507 --> 03:13:21,270
is about this really
awesome chick living in the '50s
3706
03:13:21,294 --> 03:13:23,316
who is ahead of her time.
3707
03:13:23,340 --> 03:13:27,450
She loves to party and have sex
with many, many boys
3708
03:13:27,474 --> 03:13:30,715
and finds herself murdered
3709
03:13:30,739 --> 03:13:32,934
as she's supposed
to be coronated
3710
03:13:32,958 --> 03:13:35,091
by one of those boys
that she had scorned.
3711
03:13:40,661 --> 03:13:42,683
And she comes back
to wreak havoc
3712
03:13:42,707 --> 03:13:44,491
and take her revenge
and get her crown back.
3713
03:13:47,625 --> 03:13:50,386
Nobile: She's presented as this
sort of slutty character.
3714
03:13:50,410 --> 03:13:51,866
In the '80s,
we would say slutty,
3715
03:13:51,890 --> 03:13:53,650
but really what that means
3716
03:13:53,674 --> 03:13:55,696
is that she sort of owns
her sexuality.
3717
03:13:55,720 --> 03:13:59,308
It's not who you come with,
it's who takes you home.
3718
03:13:59,332 --> 03:14:00,745
Scram.
3719
03:14:00,769 --> 03:14:03,617
Mary Lou Maloney is my favorite,
3720
03:14:03,641 --> 03:14:07,273
I literally have the poster
hanging over my bed.
3721
03:14:07,297 --> 03:14:09,492
She just was definitely somebody
I looked up to
3722
03:14:09,516 --> 03:14:12,060
when I was little,
like she's just sexually open
3723
03:14:12,084 --> 03:14:14,062
and not apologizing for it.
3724
03:14:14,086 --> 03:14:16,741
And I don't know, and then
her kills were really cool.
3725
03:14:24,618 --> 03:14:26,988
It was a Canadian film
that has nothing to do
3726
03:14:27,012 --> 03:14:28,598
with the original "Prom Night."
3727
03:14:28,622 --> 03:14:30,383
The queer audience
has gotten really,
3728
03:14:30,407 --> 03:14:32,428
really excited about
"Hello Mary Lou."
3729
03:14:32,452 --> 03:14:34,126
It resonates for them in a way
3730
03:14:34,150 --> 03:14:36,824
that a lot of other
'80s Films don't.
3731
03:14:36,848 --> 03:14:38,608
It's got a sort of a coding
that they have
3732
03:14:38,632 --> 03:14:39,871
embraced and mapped to.
3733
03:14:39,895 --> 03:14:41,394
We've come a very long way
3734
03:14:41,418 --> 03:14:44,484
in how we think
about that kind of agency
3735
03:14:44,508 --> 03:14:47,182
and about how we judge
that kind of behavior.
3736
03:14:47,206 --> 03:14:48,749
I think her whole situation
is absorbed
3737
03:14:48,773 --> 03:14:50,359
by a contemporary audience
in a way
3738
03:14:50,383 --> 03:14:54,537
that '80s audiences
weren't ready to do, or willing.
3739
03:14:54,561 --> 03:14:57,782
See you later, alligator.
3740
03:15:11,577 --> 03:15:14,513
"Prince of Darkness" is a movie
that shows what happens
3741
03:15:14,537 --> 03:15:17,583
when John Carpenter
gets experimental.
3742
03:15:20,064 --> 03:15:22,173
Jesus Christ!
3743
03:15:22,197 --> 03:15:24,218
It goes straight
for the cerebral
3744
03:15:24,242 --> 03:15:27,352
but then it goes for a lot of
the traditional blood and guts
3745
03:15:27,376 --> 03:15:29,465
that you would expect
in a Carpenter film.
3746
03:15:33,295 --> 03:15:36,013
I decided I wanted to make some
low budget movies again
3747
03:15:36,037 --> 03:15:38,537
after
"Big Trouble Little China."
3748
03:15:38,561 --> 03:15:40,432
"Prince of Darkness"
was the first one.
3749
03:15:42,304 --> 03:15:46,501
It was inspired
by Dario Argento's "Inferno,"
3750
03:15:46,525 --> 03:15:48,242
because he just did things
crazy...
3751
03:15:48,266 --> 03:15:51,680
These crazy batshit things,
and I thought, "Let's go.
3752
03:15:51,704 --> 03:15:53,639
Let's try it."
3753
03:15:53,663 --> 03:15:58,035
The cast in this is one of the
most diverse casts of the '80s,
3754
03:15:58,059 --> 03:16:01,865
but Carpenter has said he didn't
cast them to be diverse.
3755
03:16:01,889 --> 03:16:06,304
He cast them because they were
the best choices for the roles.
3756
03:16:06,328 --> 03:16:07,914
Is there some reason
why you're not telling us
3757
03:16:07,938 --> 03:16:09,611
what we're going to be doing?
3758
03:16:09,635 --> 03:16:11,178
In time.
3759
03:16:11,202 --> 03:16:13,180
I wanted to work
with Victor Wong
3760
03:16:13,204 --> 03:16:15,356
and Dennis Dun again,
3761
03:16:15,380 --> 03:16:17,489
and I cast Donald Pleasance.
3762
03:16:17,513 --> 03:16:21,232
I thought what a really
interesting cast in this.
3763
03:16:21,256 --> 03:16:22,561
What is it?
3764
03:16:25,608 --> 03:16:28,413
A secret that can
no longer be kept.
3765
03:16:28,437 --> 03:16:30,328
"Prince of Darkness"
features Alice Cooper
3766
03:16:30,352 --> 03:16:32,591
as one of the controlled
homeless people,
3767
03:16:32,615 --> 03:16:34,201
and Alice was a nice guy.
3768
03:16:34,225 --> 03:16:37,117
He brought along the gag
where he stabs the guy.
3769
03:16:37,141 --> 03:16:39,467
It was from his stage show.
3770
03:16:39,491 --> 03:16:43,080
He just kind of wanders
up on him, very unassuming.
3771
03:16:43,104 --> 03:16:45,497
And then all of a sudden.
3772
03:16:47,630 --> 03:16:50,478
He is a member
of the homeless community.
3773
03:16:50,502 --> 03:16:54,395
He has been possessed
by the devil's particle,
3774
03:16:54,419 --> 03:16:57,616
whatever you want to call it,
the evil.
3775
03:16:57,640 --> 03:16:59,574
And he is now the goalie.
3776
03:16:59,598 --> 03:17:01,098
He's keeping people in
3777
03:17:01,122 --> 03:17:03,385
or killing them
as they come out.
3778
03:17:08,346 --> 03:17:11,891
Carpenter, as he does,
masterfully balanced two things.
3779
03:17:11,915 --> 03:17:16,896
In this, it was the war
of science and religion.
3780
03:17:16,920 --> 03:17:19,637
You have science where
they're talking about
3781
03:17:19,661 --> 03:17:21,813
black holes and particles,
3782
03:17:21,837 --> 03:17:26,165
and you have religion
where the son of the anti-God
3783
03:17:26,189 --> 03:17:28,994
is being held in a chamber
in a church.
3784
03:17:29,018 --> 03:17:33,390
Every particle
has an anti-particle,
3785
03:17:33,414 --> 03:17:34,913
its mirror image.
3786
03:17:34,937 --> 03:17:36,697
Maybe he's anti-God.
3787
03:17:36,721 --> 03:17:39,439
The fact that they never
really come out
3788
03:17:39,463 --> 03:17:41,900
and say it's the devil
is genius.
3789
03:17:44,555 --> 03:17:46,620
They found the God Particle.
3790
03:17:46,644 --> 03:17:48,535
Where's the devil's particle?
3791
03:17:48,559 --> 03:17:52,278
And that I think is where
Prince of Darkness comes in.
3792
03:17:52,302 --> 03:17:56,152
That tells you how relevant
that movie is today.
3793
03:17:56,176 --> 03:17:59,005
No person can hold him now.
3794
03:18:04,532 --> 03:18:08,425
I am...
3795
03:18:08,449 --> 03:18:10,209
eternal.
3796
03:18:10,233 --> 03:18:14,953
Freddie's personality was
being quoted by Johnny Carson.
3797
03:18:14,977 --> 03:18:18,261
It was in Mad Magazine,
it was in the funny papers,
3798
03:18:18,285 --> 03:18:21,177
it was being merchandised.
3799
03:18:21,201 --> 03:18:23,614
When you become that part
of the culture,
3800
03:18:23,638 --> 03:18:25,224
you follow it a little bit.
3801
03:18:25,248 --> 03:18:29,402
So the franchise exploited
Freddie's sense of humor,
3802
03:18:29,426 --> 03:18:32,753
This-isn't helping.
3803
03:18:32,777 --> 03:18:37,367
And a kind of almost surreal,
subconscious,
3804
03:18:37,391 --> 03:18:41,327
dreamlike sense of fun
and revenge
3805
03:18:41,351 --> 03:18:43,547
that Freddy was going through
with the culture
3806
03:18:43,571 --> 03:18:45,070
at the same time.
3807
03:18:45,094 --> 03:18:47,725
The Freddy merchandising
now it...
3808
03:18:47,749 --> 03:18:49,074
There's something
new every week.
3809
03:18:49,098 --> 03:18:50,467
Literally.
3810
03:18:50,491 --> 03:18:53,383
It's just amazing,
the amount of stuff,
3811
03:18:53,407 --> 03:18:58,040
from pencil sharpeners
to squirt guns.
3812
03:18:58,064 --> 03:19:01,130
There's silly stuff,
there's corny stuff.
3813
03:19:01,154 --> 03:19:05,177
I love finding old, like,
board games from Europe,
3814
03:19:05,201 --> 03:19:08,137
you know, and things like that
are fun for me to see them.
3815
03:19:08,161 --> 03:19:11,053
I love the foreign posters,
3816
03:19:11,077 --> 03:19:13,664
like the one over my shoulder
here, that's from Thailand.
3817
03:19:13,688 --> 03:19:15,405
Because they're more lurid.
3818
03:19:15,429 --> 03:19:19,713
I didn't suffer the curse
of typecasting or and... and...
3819
03:19:19,737 --> 03:19:22,673
And when I did,
I was prepared for it.
3820
03:19:22,697 --> 03:19:25,067
I wasn't going
to be surprised by it,
3821
03:19:25,091 --> 03:19:26,633
and I'd already proved myself.
3822
03:19:26,657 --> 03:19:30,376
Let me go!
3823
03:19:30,400 --> 03:19:33,858
Hey, hands on the counter,
asshole!
3824
03:19:33,882 --> 03:19:36,686
It was a big deal to decide
to be an actor
3825
03:19:36,710 --> 03:19:38,383
or a musician back
when I was a kid.
3826
03:19:38,407 --> 03:19:40,124
It was like a big deal.
3827
03:19:40,148 --> 03:19:43,301
My generation, God, you know,
you can be an engineer,
3828
03:19:43,325 --> 03:19:45,216
or you can be a doctor
or a lawyer,
3829
03:19:45,240 --> 03:19:46,522
but that was it.
3830
03:19:46,546 --> 03:19:48,350
That's what you're
supposed to be.
3831
03:19:48,374 --> 03:19:52,180
I did Shakespeare, was paid
for it professionally, union.
3832
03:19:52,204 --> 03:19:54,007
Moliere.
3833
03:19:54,031 --> 03:19:56,401
I did George Bernard Shaw.
3834
03:19:56,425 --> 03:19:57,924
I did Arthur Miller.
3835
03:19:57,948 --> 03:19:59,404
I just love doing it.
3836
03:19:59,428 --> 03:20:01,058
I was trained to do that,
3837
03:20:01,082 --> 03:20:02,451
and I was getting good parts,
3838
03:20:02,475 --> 03:20:04,670
and I was predominantly
doing comedy.
3839
03:20:04,694 --> 03:20:08,935
So most of my memory of theaters
about getting that laugh.
3840
03:20:08,959 --> 03:20:15,942
1973 till 1983 I was not only
an established
3841
03:20:15,966 --> 03:20:21,252
Hollywood character actor,
sidekick, co-star,
3842
03:20:21,276 --> 03:20:25,691
I side kicked
all of the big stars,
3843
03:20:25,715 --> 03:20:27,302
and then I moved
into television.
3844
03:20:27,326 --> 03:20:29,869
And I played bad guys,
and I played...
3845
03:20:29,893 --> 03:20:31,088
I've been playing
a lot of Southerners.
3846
03:20:31,112 --> 03:20:32,916
I don't know why.
3847
03:20:32,940 --> 03:20:35,266
I guess I'd learned something
doing "Tennessee Williams,"
3848
03:20:35,290 --> 03:20:36,833
but that's how Hollywood saw me.
3849
03:20:36,857 --> 03:20:39,314
Hey, quit stalling, will 'ya!
3850
03:20:39,338 --> 03:20:42,776
Just because you know
you've got a great hand.
3851
03:20:43,994 --> 03:20:45,189
I was on "Manimal."
3852
03:20:45,213 --> 03:20:47,148
I do know that for the fan boys
3853
03:20:47,172 --> 03:20:53,066
it did become, like, a kind of
suspension bridge of obsession.
3854
03:20:53,090 --> 03:20:56,069
You know, with werewolf effects.
3855
03:20:56,093 --> 03:20:59,377
A show like "Manimal"
is a link in that genre,
3856
03:20:59,401 --> 03:21:02,772
and it deserves
its asterisk, you know,
3857
03:21:02,796 --> 03:21:05,973
and I deserve my residual check.
3858
03:21:10,369 --> 03:21:11,607
And then "V."
3859
03:21:11,631 --> 03:21:14,000
I am just...
3860
03:21:14,024 --> 03:21:16,046
Just what?
Yes.
3861
03:21:16,070 --> 03:21:19,180
Oh, get out of the way,
damn stupid alien.
3862
03:21:19,204 --> 03:21:22,183
I do "V," and I've tapped into
the great science fiction
3863
03:21:22,207 --> 03:21:25,795
Zeitgeist of the world,
not just America.
3864
03:21:25,819 --> 03:21:27,840
Then our movie became a big hit,
3865
03:21:27,864 --> 03:21:29,233
and I was off.
3866
03:21:29,257 --> 03:21:32,652
This is God.
3867
03:21:34,784 --> 03:21:37,720
Our budgets are getting a little
bit bigger for each movie,
3868
03:21:37,744 --> 03:21:40,244
but time got precious.
3869
03:21:40,268 --> 03:21:41,941
Not shooting.
3870
03:21:41,965 --> 03:21:45,467
We never were rush shooting,
but post.
3871
03:21:45,491 --> 03:21:48,774
We would be shooting a movie,
3872
03:21:48,798 --> 03:21:52,560
and they would rely too much
on the Freddy jokes.
3873
03:21:52,584 --> 03:21:54,910
I could... I would have an
option sometimes.
3874
03:21:54,934 --> 03:21:57,478
A scene would end with me
doing a joke
3875
03:21:57,502 --> 03:21:59,915
or a wisecrack
or a kind of Dirty Harry
3876
03:21:59,939 --> 03:22:01,308
make my day line.
3877
03:22:01,332 --> 03:22:02,657
Sorry, kid.
3878
03:22:02,681 --> 03:22:04,944
I don't believe in fairy tales.
3879
03:22:09,383 --> 03:22:11,429
And sometimes I would
just do it without the line.
3880
03:22:15,737 --> 03:22:17,933
And sometimes I do it
and just do it a little darker.
3881
03:22:17,957 --> 03:22:20,370
But when you're editing,
3882
03:22:20,394 --> 03:22:22,981
that line becomes
your punctuation point,
3883
03:22:23,005 --> 03:22:27,377
it becomes your button that can,
you know, button up the scene
3884
03:22:27,401 --> 03:22:29,814
and give it a little
percussive rimshot.
3885
03:22:29,838 --> 03:22:32,904
So they erred
in that direction a bit.
3886
03:22:32,928 --> 03:22:34,428
Krueger!
3887
03:22:34,452 --> 03:22:36,386
Well, it ain't Dr. Seuss.
3888
03:22:36,410 --> 03:22:39,824
"Wes Craven's New Nightmare"
is a great film,
3889
03:22:39,848 --> 03:22:41,696
and the most popular of all
the nightmare films
3890
03:22:41,720 --> 03:22:44,157
in the franchise
is "Nightmare 3."
3891
03:22:47,378 --> 03:22:49,269
There's room for more.
3892
03:22:49,293 --> 03:22:51,445
Gaston Leroux,
"Phantom of the Opera""
3893
03:22:51,469 --> 03:22:56,014
was the Stephen King
cheap thrill story of its time.
3894
03:22:56,038 --> 03:22:57,102
A Penny Dreadful.
3895
03:22:57,126 --> 03:22:58,930
"Give me a penny mate.
3896
03:22:58,954 --> 03:23:00,758
I'll give you
something dreadful."
3897
03:23:00,782 --> 03:23:03,500
Still hungry
for an introduction?
3898
03:23:03,524 --> 03:23:07,199
We delivered the goods
on our "Phantom of the Opera."
3899
03:23:07,223 --> 03:23:09,114
The director Dwight Little and I
3900
03:23:09,138 --> 03:23:13,293
were kind of simultaneously
inspiring each other
3901
03:23:13,317 --> 03:23:17,471
to be on the same page,
with this sort of homage,
3902
03:23:17,495 --> 03:23:19,951
to the Hammer film,
3903
03:23:19,975 --> 03:23:23,085
which is why we transported
our "Phantom of the Opera""
3904
03:23:23,109 --> 03:23:26,828
from the Paris Opera
of the 1890s
3905
03:23:26,852 --> 03:23:30,353
to the 1890s of London
of "Jack the Ripper,"
3906
03:23:30,377 --> 03:23:34,009
and the sets are scrumptious
and romantic,
3907
03:23:34,033 --> 03:23:36,533
and Stephanie Lawrence,
3908
03:23:36,557 --> 03:23:40,407
from Evita on the West End
playing our diva.
3909
03:23:40,431 --> 03:23:42,346
Bill Nighy.
3910
03:23:47,829 --> 03:23:49,677
"A bit of blood
and guts here."
3911
03:23:49,701 --> 03:23:51,853
But we're also doing
the romantics
3912
03:23:51,877 --> 03:23:55,378
sumptuous on location richness.
3913
03:23:55,402 --> 03:23:56,751
So it was great fun.
3914
03:24:00,538 --> 03:24:03,604
But the other real
selling point for me
3915
03:24:03,628 --> 03:24:08,172
on "Phantom of the Opera"
was there was two scripts.
3916
03:24:08,196 --> 03:24:11,306
There was this
second script called
3917
03:24:11,330 --> 03:24:13,177
"The Phantom of Manhattan,"
3918
03:24:13,201 --> 03:24:15,528
and it's ultra romantic.
3919
03:24:15,552 --> 03:24:19,314
And of course that attracted me
to play the romance of it.
3920
03:24:19,338 --> 03:24:22,404
The fans of not only
"Phantom of Opera,"
3921
03:24:22,428 --> 03:24:24,188
but my fans from Freddy,
3922
03:24:24,212 --> 03:24:28,671
there's a huge kind of strange
goth, romantic contingent.
3923
03:24:28,695 --> 03:24:32,632
There are girls that have
a kind of "Beauty and the Beast"
3924
03:24:32,656 --> 03:24:34,329
attraction with Freddy.
3925
03:24:34,353 --> 03:24:37,158
I mean, to this day,
I'm so disappointed
3926
03:24:37,182 --> 03:24:39,508
that we never got to do
that second film,
3927
03:24:39,532 --> 03:24:41,229
you know,
"Phantom of Manhattan."
3928
03:24:45,843 --> 03:24:47,647
Well, here's the thing
with "976-Evil."
3929
03:24:47,671 --> 03:24:50,998
Nobody held a gun to my head.
3930
03:24:51,022 --> 03:24:52,347
They made me a nice offer.
3931
03:24:52,371 --> 03:24:53,870
I was allowed to direct,
3932
03:24:53,894 --> 03:24:56,743
but I love the idea
of "976-Evil."
3933
03:24:56,767 --> 03:24:59,398
It seems gimmicky now,
in hindsight,
3934
03:24:59,422 --> 03:25:01,182
but the body of it I liked,
3935
03:25:01,206 --> 03:25:04,141
and I had this great
cast assembled.
3936
03:25:04,165 --> 03:25:06,603
I got Stephen Geoffreys
fresh off "Fright Night."
3937
03:25:08,431 --> 03:25:12,498
Steven, his look and his haircut
and his sense...
3938
03:25:12,522 --> 03:25:15,805
Fashion sense,
he embodied the '80s.
3939
03:25:15,829 --> 03:25:18,765
Kevin Yagher, you know,
did me a big favor
3940
03:25:18,789 --> 03:25:21,855
and designed this strange,
wonderful makeup.
3941
03:25:21,879 --> 03:25:23,422
It's a great makeup.
3942
03:25:23,446 --> 03:25:26,729
As he transforms into evil
as the devil
3943
03:25:26,753 --> 03:25:27,972
gets his hooks into him.
3944
03:25:30,540 --> 03:25:33,083
Bye-bye.
3945
03:25:33,107 --> 03:25:36,739
I had great scenes with
Robert Picardo as the devil.
3946
03:25:36,763 --> 03:25:40,569
The devil who runs
the 976-Evil phone call site
3947
03:25:40,593 --> 03:25:46,357
because that's how he recruits
people to the dark side.
3948
03:25:46,381 --> 03:25:48,581
I used to live in Radio Shack
when I was in high school.
3949
03:25:50,211 --> 03:25:51,885
But it didn't work out.
3950
03:25:51,909 --> 03:25:55,236
And he had some great comedy.
3951
03:25:55,260 --> 03:25:57,368
They cut that stuff out.
3952
03:25:57,392 --> 03:25:59,458
A guy can't make a buck anymore.
3953
03:25:59,482 --> 03:26:02,896
And one over my...
My female producer,
3954
03:26:02,920 --> 03:26:06,508
Lisa Hansen, she was seeing
the movie through my eyes.
3955
03:26:06,532 --> 03:26:08,205
She saw where I was going.
3956
03:26:08,229 --> 03:26:11,382
She got ill in post production,
3957
03:26:11,406 --> 03:26:12,993
and the other producer came in.
3958
03:26:13,017 --> 03:26:16,344
He was just...
He had read some how to make
3959
03:26:16,368 --> 03:26:18,825
a horror movie book, you know,
3960
03:26:18,849 --> 03:26:21,087
sold at
Larry Edmunds for $1.99
3961
03:26:21,111 --> 03:26:24,699
remaindered in a paperback
with a cigarette burn on it.
3962
03:26:24,723 --> 03:26:26,179
And he thought all horror movies
3963
03:26:26,203 --> 03:26:28,050
have to be 90 minutes,
and I was going,
3964
03:26:28,074 --> 03:26:32,098
"No, no, no action movies
have to be 90 minutes.
3965
03:26:32,122 --> 03:26:34,317
Not horror movies."
3966
03:26:34,341 --> 03:26:38,365
There's still sequences that are
all mine in the boys bathroom.
3967
03:26:38,389 --> 03:26:41,411
You know, with the skateboards,
all the stuff with the mirror
3968
03:26:41,435 --> 03:26:43,544
and him getting sliced by hoax.
3969
03:26:43,568 --> 03:26:47,374
That's pure, unadulterated
Robert Englund, you know.
3970
03:26:47,398 --> 03:26:50,769
It would have been
a third again, better movie,
3971
03:26:50,793 --> 03:26:54,250
had they left it
and trusted me with what it was.
3972
03:26:54,274 --> 03:26:57,384
I mean, I should get over it,
but it's your baby.
3973
03:26:57,408 --> 03:27:00,474
The reason I don't direct film
as much is not
3974
03:27:00,498 --> 03:27:04,913
because I'm intimidated by film,
but I am desired
3975
03:27:04,937 --> 03:27:07,176
because of my name
and because of the seats I fill
3976
03:27:07,200 --> 03:27:09,265
and because of my baggage
that I bring.
3977
03:27:09,289 --> 03:27:13,574
I am desired to always
do effects-laden movies.
3978
03:27:13,598 --> 03:27:15,707
And it's rough enough
directing film
3979
03:27:15,731 --> 03:27:17,622
because once you say "action,"
3980
03:27:17,646 --> 03:27:20,102
you're against the clock.
3981
03:27:20,126 --> 03:27:22,061
That's all you hear.
3982
03:27:22,085 --> 03:27:25,586
Pre-production is fun.
Post production is ecstatic.
3983
03:27:25,610 --> 03:27:28,371
But the actual shooting
of a movie is not pleasant.
3984
03:27:28,395 --> 03:27:30,156
You're not sleeping at night,
3985
03:27:30,180 --> 03:27:33,638
you're worried about getting
your day, it's not fun,
3986
03:27:33,662 --> 03:27:35,988
even when your actors
and your cameraman
3987
03:27:36,012 --> 03:27:37,555
are bringing you great stuff.
3988
03:27:37,579 --> 03:27:39,687
The reason Robert Englund
doesn't direct more film
3989
03:27:39,711 --> 03:27:41,907
is because
people aren't asking me
3990
03:27:41,931 --> 03:27:45,519
to direct the films
that I'm right for.
3991
03:27:45,543 --> 03:27:47,260
Left to my own devices,
3992
03:27:47,284 --> 03:27:50,350
I'm the guy that should
be directing "Tender Mercies."
3993
03:27:50,374 --> 03:27:52,681
That's the kind of film
I would do the best.
3994
03:28:03,300 --> 03:28:05,887
Announcer: Michael Keaton
is "Beetlejuice."
3995
03:28:05,911 --> 03:28:07,826
I'm the ghost with the most,
babe.
3996
03:28:10,350 --> 03:28:12,590
Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice,
Beetlejuice. Oops.
3997
03:28:12,614 --> 03:28:15,157
It's show time.
3998
03:28:15,181 --> 03:28:18,334
Beetlejuice is for me
one of the movies where it shows
3999
03:28:18,358 --> 03:28:20,772
Tim Burton firing
on all cylinders.
4000
03:28:20,796 --> 03:28:22,817
He was just absolutely
in his element.
4001
03:28:22,841 --> 03:28:28,717
It made him one of the premiere
directors of the '80s.
4002
03:28:31,763 --> 03:28:35,089
It's hilarious, it's weird,
it's funny.
4003
03:28:35,113 --> 03:28:36,264
The cast is terrific.
4004
03:28:36,288 --> 03:28:37,962
The practical effects are great.
4005
03:28:37,986 --> 03:28:40,510
Geena Davis
and Alec Baldwin die.
4006
03:28:43,948 --> 03:28:46,623
They go to the afterlife
and they find out
4007
03:28:46,647 --> 03:28:50,801
that they don't want to die.
4008
03:28:50,825 --> 03:28:53,455
The couple go back
to their house,
4009
03:28:53,479 --> 03:28:57,329
but unfortunately, the worst
family ever moves in
4010
03:28:57,353 --> 03:29:00,375
and wants to change everything
that they love about the house.
4011
03:29:00,399 --> 03:29:03,248
So they enlist the help
of Beetlejuice,
4012
03:29:03,272 --> 03:29:06,014
who is the human Exorcist.
4013
03:29:09,800 --> 03:29:12,692
He's there to scare them
out of the house.
4014
03:29:12,716 --> 03:29:15,564
Problem is Beetlejuice
is a little eccentric.
4015
03:29:15,588 --> 03:29:18,002
What do we got here
tonight, kids?
4016
03:29:18,026 --> 03:29:19,481
Ooh.
4017
03:29:19,505 --> 03:29:22,310
Michael Keaton surprises you
all the time.
4018
03:29:22,334 --> 03:29:23,660
To see him play Beetlejuice.
4019
03:29:23,684 --> 03:29:25,052
It was such a great character
4020
03:29:25,076 --> 03:29:27,054
and really outrageous and wild
4021
03:29:27,078 --> 03:29:28,471
and all over the place.
4022
03:29:30,212 --> 03:29:31,580
Scram!
4023
03:29:31,604 --> 03:29:33,215
That was neat to see that.
4024
03:29:38,002 --> 03:29:40,701
The "Day-O" scene
was glorious to me.
4025
03:29:47,925 --> 03:29:51,276
I reenact that almost,
you know, once a month.
4026
03:29:52,582 --> 03:29:54,081
I think Beetlejuice is the film
4027
03:29:54,105 --> 03:29:56,388
that really put Winona Ryder
on the map.
4028
03:29:56,412 --> 03:29:58,477
I mean, she had such
a great character.
4029
03:29:58,501 --> 03:30:01,698
It's kind of the updated
Wednesday Addams,
4030
03:30:01,722 --> 03:30:04,613
just this creepy little girl who
had to live in this creepy house
4031
03:30:04,637 --> 03:30:06,746
with her sort of creepy parents.
4032
03:30:06,770 --> 03:30:13,187
I am utterly alone.
4033
03:30:13,211 --> 03:30:14,798
I think that's really one
of the first times
4034
03:30:14,822 --> 03:30:17,235
that you saw what...
What goth was all about
4035
03:30:17,259 --> 03:30:20,194
in comedy like that,
so that was exciting to see her
4036
03:30:20,218 --> 03:30:23,023
and to realize that
she was such an outcast,
4037
03:30:23,047 --> 03:30:25,069
and you really felt for her,
4038
03:30:25,093 --> 03:30:27,748
which made me really happy.
I liked that.
4039
03:30:30,185 --> 03:30:31,510
Trachenburg: The waiting room
is a prime example
4040
03:30:31,534 --> 03:30:34,121
of Tim Burton's creativity
in the '80s,
4041
03:30:34,145 --> 03:30:36,384
because you had all these people
4042
03:30:36,408 --> 03:30:39,170
who were waiting to go
to the afterlife
4043
03:30:39,194 --> 03:30:41,781
and each one of them died
in a different way.
4044
03:30:41,805 --> 03:30:44,175
So you had the circus performer
4045
03:30:44,199 --> 03:30:46,220
who had been sawed
in half for real.
4046
03:30:46,244 --> 03:30:49,876
You had the witch doctor
with the shrunken head.
4047
03:30:49,900 --> 03:30:54,271
It's just brimming with that
wonderful Tim Burton stuff
4048
03:30:54,295 --> 03:30:56,186
that we all miss.
4049
03:30:56,210 --> 03:30:57,491
You want a cigarette?
4050
03:30:57,515 --> 03:31:00,190
No, thank you.
4051
03:31:00,214 --> 03:31:03,323
Trying to cut down myself.
4052
03:31:03,347 --> 03:31:05,499
Well, Tim Burton,
he's gonna surprise you
4053
03:31:05,523 --> 03:31:09,547
and do some beautiful, wonderful
artwork and set designs.
4054
03:31:09,571 --> 03:31:12,985
He brings you into another
world, which I really adore.
4055
03:31:13,009 --> 03:31:14,552
And his stories are fun.
4056
03:31:14,576 --> 03:31:16,708
They just engage you.
4057
03:31:18,885 --> 03:31:20,253
You look great.
4058
03:31:20,277 --> 03:31:21,957
I wish I could have done
one of his movies.
4059
03:31:23,498 --> 03:31:25,955
Can you be scary?
Oh!
4060
03:31:25,979 --> 03:31:28,024
Don't ask me if I can be scary.
4061
03:31:29,896 --> 03:31:31,027
What do you think of this?
4062
03:31:38,078 --> 03:31:40,360
Announcer: It's
"Hollywood Chainsaw Hookers."
4063
03:31:40,384 --> 03:31:43,450
These girls charge an arm
and a leg.
4064
03:31:43,474 --> 03:31:46,018
You may not have heard
of the term video nasties
4065
03:31:46,042 --> 03:31:47,585
or gross out films.
4066
03:31:47,609 --> 03:31:49,805
These terms refer to a whole
group of pictures
4067
03:31:49,829 --> 03:31:53,330
from a blood and guts,
sometimes real, sometimes fake.
4068
03:31:53,354 --> 03:31:57,290
In the U.K., we had the video
nasties, which was
4069
03:31:57,314 --> 03:32:00,337
a reaction by
the Conservative government
4070
03:32:00,361 --> 03:32:03,340
to sort of clamp
down on horror movies,
4071
03:32:03,364 --> 03:32:04,689
because a lot of them
were getting through
4072
03:32:04,713 --> 03:32:07,126
without being rated by the BBFC,
4073
03:32:07,150 --> 03:32:09,912
so kids could rent these movies
and watch them at home.
4074
03:32:09,936 --> 03:32:11,696
So they wrote up a list
of movies that had...
4075
03:32:11,720 --> 03:32:13,240
That were essentially
had to be banned.
4076
03:32:16,420 --> 03:32:18,398
The funny thing was,
was that there's a lot of people
4077
03:32:18,422 --> 03:32:21,227
criticizing these movies
without actually seeing them.
4078
03:32:21,251 --> 03:32:24,448
It's often the case
with... with government.
4079
03:32:24,472 --> 03:32:26,972
They also had these local
MPs as well who like to comment
4080
03:32:26,996 --> 03:32:29,975
and get sort of political points
with their...
4081
03:32:29,999 --> 03:32:32,412
With their constituency
by saying,
4082
03:32:32,436 --> 03:32:34,675
"Oh, this movie is really bad,
it should be banned."
4083
03:32:34,699 --> 03:32:36,112
And someone goes "Oh,
have you seen this movie?"
4084
03:32:36,136 --> 03:32:37,504
"Oh, no, no,
I don't need to see it."
4085
03:32:37,528 --> 03:32:39,680
You think, well,
you need to see something
4086
03:32:39,704 --> 03:32:40,986
before you criticize it.
4087
03:32:41,010 --> 03:32:44,207
If anyone can stand up
and defend
4088
03:32:44,231 --> 03:32:48,037
the sort of horrific scenes
that I have had to see
4089
03:32:48,061 --> 03:32:50,561
and other members of parliament
have had to see,
4090
03:32:50,585 --> 03:32:52,519
I believe they're living
in a different world
4091
03:32:52,543 --> 03:32:54,217
to that world that I live in.
4092
03:32:54,241 --> 03:32:56,959
The video nasties didn't stick
around for that long,
4093
03:32:56,983 --> 03:32:58,569
but there were a number
of movies that were
4094
03:32:58,593 --> 03:33:00,266
on the BBFC kind of hit list
4095
03:33:00,290 --> 03:33:02,399
for a number of years
that remained banned.
4096
03:33:02,423 --> 03:33:04,183
And it was kind of years later
that these movies
4097
03:33:04,207 --> 03:33:05,923
did eventually come out,
4098
03:33:05,947 --> 03:33:07,882
and people got to see them
properly for the first time
4099
03:33:07,906 --> 03:33:10,623
and not some kind of wonky VHS
4100
03:33:10,647 --> 03:33:13,800
bootleg from 1982
or something like that.
4101
03:33:13,824 --> 03:33:18,196
Video nasties, they don't like
violence or blood
4102
03:33:18,220 --> 03:33:19,328
and all that stuff.
4103
03:33:19,352 --> 03:33:21,591
You can have all the sex
you want,
4104
03:33:21,615 --> 03:33:23,636
but if you use the word
4105
03:33:23,660 --> 03:33:28,598
chainsaw in your title,
that's too violent.
4106
03:33:28,622 --> 03:33:31,079
And "Hollywood Hooker"
sounds worse than
4107
03:33:31,103 --> 03:33:33,603
"Hollywood Chainsaw Hookers."
4108
03:33:33,627 --> 03:33:36,780
That was a great line...
They charge an arm and a leg...
4109
03:33:36,804 --> 03:33:40,436
Because the movies
about this prostitution ring
4110
03:33:40,460 --> 03:33:45,223
that my sister has fallen into
and having to investigate it
4111
03:33:45,247 --> 03:33:48,400
and go under cover
with this chainsaw cult.
4112
03:33:48,424 --> 03:33:52,404
I'm gonna burn that temple
over those fuckers heads.
4113
03:33:52,428 --> 03:33:54,102
You know, you've got a lot
of guts for a little girl.
4114
03:33:54,126 --> 03:33:56,998
It's a very silly romp.
4115
03:33:58,957 --> 03:34:02,110
A film noir, but it's in color.
4116
03:34:02,134 --> 03:34:04,764
Jack: I'll check the photo
to make sure.
4117
03:34:04,788 --> 03:34:06,636
It was her alright.
4118
03:34:06,660 --> 03:34:08,812
I got involved with
"Hollywood Chainsaw Hookers"
4119
03:34:08,836 --> 03:34:10,596
when Fred Olen Ray
gave me a call.
4120
03:34:10,620 --> 03:34:12,859
It was Memorial Day weekend,
4121
03:34:12,883 --> 03:34:16,254
and he said, "I'm gonna do
a movie in three days now."
4122
03:34:16,278 --> 03:34:18,846
And it was just so tongue
in cheek and so fun.
4123
03:34:23,851 --> 03:34:28,310
And I got to meet Leatherface
from "Texas Chainsaw Massacre."
4124
03:34:28,334 --> 03:34:30,399
That was like a big deal to me,
4125
03:34:30,423 --> 03:34:32,183
because I loved that film.
4126
03:34:32,207 --> 03:34:33,968
-Please, Mr. Chandler,
4127
03:34:33,992 --> 03:34:36,516
think of the neighbors.
They're trying to sleep.
4128
03:34:38,083 --> 03:34:40,670
Gunnar Hansen was like
the nicest guy
4129
03:34:40,694 --> 03:34:44,543
who had no clue that
he was admired by thousands.
4130
03:34:44,567 --> 03:34:48,093
I think it's time somebody
cut you down to size, Jack.
4131
03:34:50,225 --> 03:34:51,768
Fred Olen Ray is very,
4132
03:34:51,792 --> 03:34:53,639
like, he's got
that dry sense of humor.
4133
03:34:53,663 --> 03:34:56,991
He said, "Okay, dance sexy
with these chainsaws."
4134
03:34:57,015 --> 03:35:00,037
And I'm like, "They're heavy."
4135
03:35:00,061 --> 03:35:04,389
And like, I'm trying my best to
dance sexy with the chainsaws.
4136
03:35:04,413 --> 03:35:08,132
And I'm like struggling,
and I am being asphyxiated
4137
03:35:08,156 --> 03:35:10,526
when I'm in the sarcophagus
with the chainsaws running
4138
03:35:10,550 --> 03:35:12,354
and all the smokes going.
4139
03:35:12,378 --> 03:35:16,010
If you watch, I, like, kind of
like stumble when I get out
4140
03:35:16,034 --> 03:35:19,994
because I'm like high
from the smoke in there.
4141
03:35:23,301 --> 03:35:24,974
Then I was like dancing
with them
4142
03:35:24,998 --> 03:35:27,585
and I felt something on my leg
and I thought,
4143
03:35:27,609 --> 03:35:30,632
"Oh, my God, hot oil is burning
my skin," but I didn't stop.
4144
03:35:30,656 --> 03:35:31,961
I kept going.
4145
03:35:35,182 --> 03:35:38,031
It was like, "Action.
4146
03:35:38,055 --> 03:35:40,405
Here's your chainsaw. Go."
4147
03:35:43,930 --> 03:35:45,734
They just said,
"Well, this a great idea,
4148
03:35:45,758 --> 03:35:47,586
let's use real chainsaws.
They're cheaper."
4149
03:35:52,025 --> 03:35:55,265
I think they probably got them
at Kmart,
4150
03:35:55,289 --> 03:35:56,943
and then returned them
the next day.
4151
03:36:07,780 --> 03:36:09,714
Announcer: Treat Williams...
4152
03:36:09,738 --> 03:36:10,976
Sit down.
4153
03:36:11,000 --> 03:36:13,370
Announcer:
and Joe Piscopo are..
4154
03:36:13,394 --> 03:36:14,937
"Dead Heat."
4155
03:36:14,961 --> 03:36:18,027
"Dead Heat" is a buddy cop film
with zombies.
4156
03:36:18,051 --> 03:36:20,595
You got Joe Piscopo
and Treat Williams,
4157
03:36:20,619 --> 03:36:23,641
who discovered
that there's this company
4158
03:36:23,665 --> 03:36:26,644
that has found a way to bring
people back from the dead.
4159
03:36:26,668 --> 03:36:29,865
The only problem is you don't
come back for very long.
4160
03:36:29,889 --> 03:36:31,388
You start to fall apart,
4161
03:36:31,412 --> 03:36:33,999
and they've been using it
bringing people back
4162
03:36:34,023 --> 03:36:36,872
from the dead
to go do things like heists.
4163
03:36:36,896 --> 03:36:38,941
Come on.
You wanna be dead?
4164
03:36:42,467 --> 03:36:44,967
Part of the humor of it is
that they called it "Dead Heat."
4165
03:36:44,991 --> 03:36:47,187
It's such a generic title,
4166
03:36:47,211 --> 03:36:49,711
but I think they were kind
of aping off of the fact
4167
03:36:49,735 --> 03:36:52,041
that it was a goof
on action films.
4168
03:36:54,261 --> 03:36:56,457
Johnson: I loved
working on "Dead Heat."
4169
03:36:56,481 --> 03:36:58,198
Mark Goldblatt was really cool.
4170
03:36:58,222 --> 03:36:59,422
I mean, I had Carte Blanche...
4171
03:37:00,833 --> 03:37:02,376
and I got to work
with Vincent Price.
4172
03:37:02,400 --> 03:37:04,117
Death doesn't discriminate.
4173
03:37:04,141 --> 03:37:06,162
At least not till now.
4174
03:37:06,186 --> 03:37:09,905
We really did a lot of close up
quality zombie makeups on that.
4175
03:37:09,929 --> 03:37:11,602
They cut out a lot
of our effects
4176
03:37:11,626 --> 03:37:13,186
because they were
just too over the top.
4177
03:37:16,501 --> 03:37:18,653
I was cut out of "Dead Heat"
4178
03:37:18,677 --> 03:37:20,350
because they didn't use
that footage,
4179
03:37:20,374 --> 03:37:25,225
But I practiced at Steve's shop
with this heavy skeleton
4180
03:37:25,249 --> 03:37:29,751
doing puppeteering, you know,
dancing and dancing and dancing.
4181
03:37:29,775 --> 03:37:31,492
I danced to "Burning Up"
4182
03:37:31,516 --> 03:37:34,364
with this heavy skeleton
for so long
4183
03:37:34,388 --> 03:37:35,694
so I would get it right.
4184
03:37:38,478 --> 03:37:40,543
She was the sexy dancer
puppeteer
4185
03:37:40,567 --> 03:37:42,241
for the sexy skeleton,
but they cut that scene.
4186
03:37:42,265 --> 03:37:43,894
Again, why they cut
all our work out?
4187
03:37:43,918 --> 03:37:45,418
It would only make
that movie better.
4188
03:37:45,442 --> 03:37:47,202
The shitty movie could have
only been better
4189
03:37:47,226 --> 03:37:49,465
with a bunch of over
the top effects, right?
4190
03:37:49,489 --> 03:37:52,033
Joe Piscopo when he was
on "Saturday Night Live"
4191
03:37:52,057 --> 03:37:55,428
was kind of this skinny kind
of Wiener-ish comedian.
4192
03:37:55,452 --> 03:37:57,908
He had started lifting weights,
4193
03:37:57,932 --> 03:38:00,520
and this was one of the first
times where it really came out,
4194
03:38:00,544 --> 03:38:02,609
"Oh, look at this dude,
he's jacked."
4195
03:38:02,633 --> 03:38:04,959
And I think that going forward,
4196
03:38:04,983 --> 03:38:09,224
more people will remember him
as the big muscle dude.
4197
03:38:09,248 --> 03:38:11,661
I think my favorite part
of the work that we did in
4198
03:38:11,685 --> 03:38:13,446
"Dead Heat" is the butcher shop
that comes alive,
4199
03:38:13,470 --> 03:38:15,317
because I have always thought
in zombie movies,
4200
03:38:15,341 --> 03:38:17,101
why is it just people?
4201
03:38:17,125 --> 03:38:18,973
And so this whole butcher shop
when it comes to life,
4202
03:38:18,997 --> 03:38:21,541
I mean, there's even a liver,
that was a really cool effect.
4203
03:38:21,565 --> 03:38:25,501
We built an inverted table
and inverted the background
4204
03:38:25,525 --> 03:38:27,155
and inverted the camera
the same way
4205
03:38:27,179 --> 03:38:28,939
and just let the liver roll.
4206
03:38:28,963 --> 03:38:30,463
But then it looks like
it's moving
4207
03:38:30,487 --> 03:38:32,532
until it leaps on Treat's face.
4208
03:38:34,882 --> 03:38:36,338
Ducks, chickens, fish,
you name it,
4209
03:38:36,362 --> 03:38:37,929
they all came to life.
4210
03:38:42,716 --> 03:38:44,128
Part of the way
through the film,
4211
03:38:44,152 --> 03:38:46,043
Treat Williams dies.
4212
03:38:46,067 --> 03:38:48,045
They bring him back
from the dead
4213
03:38:48,069 --> 03:38:52,963
so that he can solve
the crime of who murdered him.
4214
03:38:52,987 --> 03:38:55,270
Hi, guys.
4215
03:38:55,294 --> 03:38:57,229
The longer he's been dead,
the more alive he comes,
4216
03:38:57,253 --> 03:38:58,708
and that's reflected
in the makeup.
4217
03:38:58,732 --> 03:39:00,536
When he's handcuffed
to the back of the van,
4218
03:39:00,560 --> 03:39:02,408
car rolls down explodes,
4219
03:39:02,432 --> 03:39:04,540
he comes out
and he's suddenly cool
4220
03:39:04,564 --> 03:39:06,914
because his hair is all
punked out and it's black.
4221
03:39:09,787 --> 03:39:12,418
He's got a piece of shrapnel
for a long earring,
4222
03:39:12,442 --> 03:39:15,377
and his blue ridiculous
Hawaiian shirt is all black,
4223
03:39:15,401 --> 03:39:18,424
and he looks hip
and he looks cool.
4224
03:39:18,448 --> 03:39:19,860
Detective Mortis, homicide.
4225
03:39:19,884 --> 03:39:22,341
At the end of the film,
Treat Williams
4226
03:39:22,365 --> 03:39:26,388
and Joe Piscopo
are both back from the dead.
4227
03:39:26,412 --> 03:39:29,348
Sinew is flying everywhere.
4228
03:39:29,372 --> 03:39:31,199
It's a spectacle
that you need to see.
4229
03:39:41,471 --> 03:39:44,232
Announcer: This one maniac
you'll have to face alone
4230
03:39:44,256 --> 03:39:45,842
or die.
4231
03:39:45,866 --> 03:39:49,324
"Maniac Cop."
4232
03:39:49,348 --> 03:39:54,285
Next to maniac, "Maniac Cop"
is Bill Lustig's magnum opus.
4233
03:39:54,309 --> 03:39:57,113
How can you not love a movie
about a killer cop
4234
03:39:57,137 --> 03:40:00,987
written by Larry Cohen
and directed by Bill Lustig?
4235
03:40:01,011 --> 03:40:03,990
Bill Lustig went out and found
the money for "Maniac Cop,"
4236
03:40:04,014 --> 03:40:07,298
and was the understanding that
he would direct the picture.
4237
03:40:07,322 --> 03:40:09,778
I didn't want
to direct it anyway,
4238
03:40:09,802 --> 03:40:11,935
so it all worked out okay.
4239
03:40:17,332 --> 03:40:18,787
There's a killer on the streets
4240
03:40:18,811 --> 03:40:20,920
and he's killing
indiscriminately.
4241
03:40:20,944 --> 03:40:24,924
And a lot of people believe
that it is Matt Cordell,
4242
03:40:24,948 --> 03:40:29,015
a good police officer
that was killed in prison
4243
03:40:29,039 --> 03:40:31,868
but is now back for revenge.
4244
03:40:34,784 --> 03:40:36,414
Tom Atkins plays the cop,
4245
03:40:36,438 --> 03:40:39,939
who's on the trail
of Matt Cordell, trying to undo
4246
03:40:39,963 --> 03:40:42,942
If it's really this killer cop
back from the dead.
4247
03:40:42,966 --> 03:40:46,665
It's called "Maniac Cop" because
it's got a maniac cop in it.
4248
03:40:48,798 --> 03:40:52,976
And it was my job to find him
and to kill him.
4249
03:40:54,630 --> 03:40:57,957
But I didn't, he killed me,
4250
03:40:57,981 --> 03:40:59,504
threw me out of window
on top of a cab.
4251
03:41:02,246 --> 03:41:04,248
Died, ignominiously.
4252
03:41:09,079 --> 03:41:12,232
The maniac cop Matt Cordell
is played by Robert Z'Dar,
4253
03:41:12,256 --> 03:41:15,540
who is quite possibly
the only actor in history,
4254
03:41:15,564 --> 03:41:17,237
who has a more impressive chin
4255
03:41:17,261 --> 03:41:20,656
than Bruce Campbell,
who is also in the movie.
4256
03:41:22,701 --> 03:41:25,854
He has a rare medical condition
called cherubism,
4257
03:41:25,878 --> 03:41:29,205
and they use that to
great effect in this movie,
4258
03:41:29,229 --> 03:41:31,164
and it actually ended up
benefiting him
4259
03:41:31,188 --> 03:41:32,687
in his movie career.
4260
03:41:32,711 --> 03:41:35,081
The climax of the film starts
with a car chase
4261
03:41:35,105 --> 03:41:39,239
and culminates in one of the
best villain deaths in the '80s.
4262
03:41:43,766 --> 03:41:47,702
It ends with a cliffhanger that
leads into "Maniac Cop 2,"
4263
03:41:47,726 --> 03:41:50,836
which is in my humble opinion,
the best of the series.
4264
03:41:50,860 --> 03:41:53,012
My one question is,
4265
03:41:53,036 --> 03:41:55,667
what the hell is the matter
with William Lustig?
4266
03:41:55,691 --> 03:41:57,190
Bruce Campbell and I,
4267
03:41:57,214 --> 03:41:59,410
we run into each other
every once in a while,
4268
03:41:59,434 --> 03:42:02,108
and he said the same thing...
4269
03:42:02,132 --> 03:42:04,806
"What the hell is up
with Bill Lustig?"
4270
03:42:04,830 --> 03:42:07,068
"You're the star the first one,"
he says to me,
4271
03:42:07,092 --> 03:42:10,768
and 25 minutes into the movie,
you're dead and out the window
4272
03:42:10,792 --> 03:42:15,163
on top of a cab
at the hands of the maniac cop.
4273
03:42:15,187 --> 03:42:18,166
In the second one, I'm the star
4274
03:42:18,190 --> 03:42:21,300
and I go to a news stand
to buy a magazine,
4275
03:42:21,324 --> 03:42:23,041
somebody stabs me to death.
4276
03:42:23,065 --> 03:42:25,850
It has nothing to do
with anything, and I'm dead
4277
03:42:27,809 --> 03:42:29,961
Oh!
Talk to me, talk to me.
4278
03:42:29,985 --> 03:42:31,049
Talk...
4279
03:42:31,073 --> 03:42:33,791
Police! Police! Police!
4280
03:42:33,815 --> 03:42:37,427
There you are.
William Lustig, nuts.
4281
03:42:50,396 --> 03:42:52,679
I had thought, well,
it's "Poltergeist,"
4282
03:42:52,703 --> 03:42:54,289
you know,
it's this, it is a sequel.
4283
03:42:54,313 --> 03:42:55,943
It's a popular franchise,
4284
03:42:55,967 --> 03:42:58,859
I thought this could be
a lot of fun to do this.
4285
03:42:58,883 --> 03:43:02,428
Gary Sherman had this thick book
and he had everything.
4286
03:43:02,452 --> 03:43:05,083
He was like a scientist,
he had everything laid out
4287
03:43:05,107 --> 03:43:06,476
and how this was gonna be done.
4288
03:43:06,500 --> 03:43:08,260
And the special effects
were gonna be
4289
03:43:08,284 --> 03:43:10,349
real and challenging.
4290
03:43:10,373 --> 03:43:12,917
And I thought, well, that's
sort of right up my alley.
4291
03:43:12,941 --> 03:43:14,135
With my dance background,
4292
03:43:14,159 --> 03:43:16,573
I can... I can do this,
you know?
4293
03:43:16,597 --> 03:43:19,401
But it was brutal to shoot.
4294
03:43:19,425 --> 03:43:22,230
It really was difficult.
4295
03:43:22,254 --> 03:43:24,798
We're back.
4296
03:43:24,822 --> 03:43:27,453
The use of the double
and the mirrors and all of that.
4297
03:43:27,477 --> 03:43:30,848
And when you had
the long hallway of mirrors
4298
03:43:30,872 --> 03:43:32,893
and you had
different characters.
4299
03:43:32,917 --> 03:43:35,940
I think at one point, there were
maybe five different characters
4300
03:43:35,964 --> 03:43:37,332
that were involved.
4301
03:43:37,356 --> 03:43:40,422
It was extremely difficult
and frustrating,
4302
03:43:40,446 --> 03:43:43,034
and it all had to be
timed and perfect.
4303
03:43:43,058 --> 03:43:45,471
And even with the queues,
one thing could go off
4304
03:43:45,495 --> 03:43:47,125
and you had to start
all over again.
4305
03:43:47,149 --> 03:43:49,736
Because everything took two,
three times as long as
4306
03:43:49,760 --> 03:43:51,825
it would have
the way we shot it.
4307
03:43:51,849 --> 03:43:53,435
The payoff, of course is
it's like,
4308
03:43:53,459 --> 03:43:55,089
oh, that was worth it.
You see it.
4309
03:43:55,113 --> 03:43:57,178
And I think the hallway scene
is a great case of,
4310
03:43:57,202 --> 03:43:59,659
oh, look, that really worked.
It was great.
4311
03:43:59,683 --> 03:44:02,749
And there's something magical
in the moment, you know.
4312
03:44:02,773 --> 03:44:03,968
Hello?
4313
03:44:03,992 --> 03:44:06,231
- Hello?
- Hello?
4314
03:44:06,255 --> 03:44:08,668
Zelda Rubinstein.
4315
03:44:08,692 --> 03:44:11,802
Oh, my God, she was so much fun.
4316
03:44:11,826 --> 03:44:14,065
We really had a blast.
4317
03:44:14,089 --> 03:44:16,004
She had a lot of boyfriends,
I know that.
4318
03:44:17,571 --> 03:44:20,506
Zelda attracted
very handsome young boys.
4319
03:44:20,530 --> 03:44:23,900
I can lead you into the light.
4320
03:44:23,924 --> 03:44:27,773
I have the knowledge
and the power.
4321
03:44:27,797 --> 03:44:32,256
What I honestly remember
most about that film,
4322
03:44:32,280 --> 03:44:34,301
other than being wet
for a very long time,
4323
03:44:34,325 --> 03:44:38,175
when Tom and I were running
around, was Heather O'Rourke.
4324
03:44:38,199 --> 03:44:40,351
She was just a real little girl.
4325
03:44:40,375 --> 03:44:42,527
She liked Barbies,
and she loved her mother.
4326
03:44:42,551 --> 03:44:44,529
She wasn't a child actress.
4327
03:44:44,553 --> 03:44:46,749
I mean, she had none
of that going on.
4328
03:44:46,773 --> 03:44:48,838
There was so much chaos
on that set,
4329
03:44:48,862 --> 03:44:50,753
because it was so challenging.
4330
03:44:50,777 --> 03:44:54,844
But whenever Heather was
on the set, it was like,
4331
03:44:54,868 --> 03:44:56,933
she was like a grounding force.
4332
03:44:56,957 --> 03:44:59,002
A woman's entitled
to change her mind.
4333
03:45:01,222 --> 03:45:04,070
And I always feel like
I can relax.
4334
03:45:04,094 --> 03:45:05,463
Heather is here.
4335
03:45:05,487 --> 03:45:06,725
It's kind of funny
when you think about it.
4336
03:45:06,749 --> 03:45:08,597
And I always think about,
you know,
4337
03:45:08,621 --> 03:45:11,425
the tragedy of her loss and all
and how unnecessary it was.
4338
03:45:11,449 --> 03:45:14,254
But the fact that she had
this old soul, you know,
4339
03:45:14,278 --> 03:45:17,040
and that's the only way
that I can look at it
4340
03:45:17,064 --> 03:45:19,501
that I don't feel
so desperately sad.
4341
03:45:27,901 --> 03:45:31,794
Announcer: A new dimension
in terror.
4342
03:45:31,818 --> 03:45:33,254
"Waxwork."
4343
03:45:35,517 --> 03:45:39,366
"Waxwork" is somewhat inspired
by other wax movies,
4344
03:45:39,390 --> 03:45:43,196
like the 1924 silent film
"Waxworks,"
4345
03:45:43,220 --> 03:45:48,245
and the 1933 and 1953 versions
of "House of Wax."
4346
03:45:48,269 --> 03:45:51,315
This one is more about
the wax figures coming to life.
4347
03:45:55,842 --> 03:45:57,558
You have a familiar face,
Zach Galligan
4348
03:45:57,582 --> 03:45:59,212
from "Gremlins."
4349
03:45:59,236 --> 03:46:00,847
Welcome to the Waxwork!
4350
03:46:03,066 --> 03:46:05,697
He and his fellow students
go to a wax museum
4351
03:46:05,721 --> 03:46:07,873
that's full
of classic car scenes.
4352
03:46:07,897 --> 03:46:11,747
And when they wander into the
display, they become part of it.
4353
03:46:11,771 --> 03:46:16,514
One of the girls goes into
this area, and it's a vampire.
4354
03:46:21,911 --> 03:46:25,674
Or you have one person goes into
a an area, and it's a werewolf.
4355
03:46:25,698 --> 03:46:30,287
A lot of them are based
on the old horror tropes.
4356
03:46:30,311 --> 03:46:33,029
It's very clever because the way
that they do it
4357
03:46:33,053 --> 03:46:35,118
is after the person dies,
4358
03:46:35,142 --> 03:46:39,512
then they become part
of the exhibit.
4359
03:46:39,536 --> 03:46:42,602
They become wax models
like in "House of Wax."
4360
03:46:42,626 --> 03:46:45,518
They had the marquee de Sade,
they had zombies,
4361
03:46:45,542 --> 03:46:49,740
they had a wide variety
of different exhibits.
4362
03:46:49,764 --> 03:46:52,134
The effects are better than you
probably would be expecting
4363
03:46:52,158 --> 03:46:53,744
with a movie like this.
4364
03:46:53,768 --> 03:46:57,008
Sadly, the original
cut of the film got rated X
4365
03:46:57,032 --> 03:46:59,402
and they had to cut out
some of the gore
4366
03:46:59,426 --> 03:47:01,558
in order to get it down
to an R rating.
4367
03:47:04,474 --> 03:47:06,496
The ending is crazy,
because everything
4368
03:47:06,520 --> 03:47:07,869
in the museum attacks.
4369
03:47:10,306 --> 03:47:12,023
I mean, this is '80s excess
4370
03:47:12,047 --> 03:47:15,331
and it reminds you
what you love about the decade.
4371
03:47:15,355 --> 03:47:17,661
Take me!
Take this.
4372
03:47:25,234 --> 03:47:26,821
Announcer: Her life
becomes a nightmare
4373
03:47:26,845 --> 03:47:28,474
when she won't stay out
of the basement
4374
03:47:28,498 --> 03:47:32,435
and snared by evil
cellar dweller.
4375
03:47:32,459 --> 03:47:35,699
"Cellar Dweller," really?
4376
03:47:35,723 --> 03:47:38,310
Well, this is what I remember
about "Cellar Dweller."
4377
03:47:38,334 --> 03:47:42,097
Stuart was shooting "Robot Jox"
in Italy, And he said,
4378
03:47:42,121 --> 03:47:44,229
"You know, I want you
to do a cameo in this."
4379
03:47:44,253 --> 03:47:46,144
You think Achilles has a chance?
4380
03:47:46,168 --> 03:47:49,321
Damn right he's got a chance.
He's got to kill that convict!
4381
03:47:49,345 --> 03:47:53,412
And then Charlie, I believe,
called me and said,
4382
03:47:53,436 --> 03:47:55,414
"Listen, while
you're over there,
4383
03:47:55,438 --> 03:48:00,115
do you think that you could also
do a day on this other movie,
4384
03:48:00,139 --> 03:48:05,294
kind of a half day of reacting
and carrying a hatchet?"
4385
03:48:05,318 --> 03:48:10,473
We had Jeffrey Combs appears
as the comic book artist
4386
03:48:10,497 --> 03:48:13,998
from the past in this sort
of pre-title sequence
4387
03:48:14,022 --> 03:48:17,001
to "Cellar Dweller,"
just to set up the whole story.
4388
03:48:17,025 --> 03:48:20,962
And he's drawing on the
inspiration of the dark arts
4389
03:48:20,986 --> 03:48:23,573
as embodied in this book,
4390
03:48:23,597 --> 03:48:25,401
clearly ripped off
from "The Evil Dead."
4391
03:48:25,425 --> 03:48:28,994
And he pays the price,
and he dies.
4392
03:48:32,214 --> 03:48:35,193
I certainly felt like
I'm going to write
4393
03:48:35,217 --> 03:48:39,502
the best version of a movie
called "Cellar Dweller"
4394
03:48:39,526 --> 03:48:44,115
starring this
John Buechler-designed monster
4395
03:48:44,139 --> 03:48:47,118
that all takes place
in one building
4396
03:48:47,142 --> 03:48:49,642
that is humanly possible.
4397
03:48:49,666 --> 03:48:52,167
Are you trying to say to me
that a monster
4398
03:48:52,191 --> 03:48:54,733
you drew
just stepped of the page
4399
03:48:54,757 --> 03:48:56,735
and devoured Amanda and Norman?
4400
03:48:56,759 --> 03:48:58,868
That's how I got into
the "Cellar Dweller.
4401
03:48:58,892 --> 03:49:02,002
It's like, "Here's the monster,
write a movie called
4402
03:49:02,026 --> 03:49:03,960
"Cellar Dweller'
with this monster."
4403
03:49:03,984 --> 03:49:05,638
That was Charles Band's way.
4404
03:49:10,773 --> 03:49:14,057
But there's a lot to be said
for having set parameters,
4405
03:49:14,081 --> 03:49:15,406
and, you know?
4406
03:49:15,430 --> 03:49:17,713
I mean, my God,
Michelangelo just...
4407
03:49:17,737 --> 03:49:20,585
He only had that ceiling.
4408
03:49:20,609 --> 03:49:22,829
I still think the monster
is really cool.
4409
03:49:27,094 --> 03:49:32,249
More and more as time goes on,
I do meet "Cellar Dweller" fans,
4410
03:49:32,273 --> 03:49:34,469
which at first
kind of surprised me,
4411
03:49:34,493 --> 03:49:37,124
but now we kind of, you know,
is heartwarming.
4412
03:49:37,148 --> 03:49:40,344
You know, it's... it's nice
that like you write something
4413
03:49:40,368 --> 03:49:41,955
and then you might just
sort of shrug it off
4414
03:49:41,979 --> 03:49:43,870
and not think about it
for a few decades
4415
03:49:43,894 --> 03:49:45,872
and you find out
that actually had
4416
03:49:45,896 --> 03:49:48,202
a positive effect on somebody.
4417
03:49:49,856 --> 03:49:51,423
No!
4418
03:49:57,124 --> 03:49:59,929
Announcer:
"Night of the Demons."
4419
03:49:59,953 --> 03:50:01,757
We're you going?
4420
03:50:01,781 --> 03:50:04,281
The party's just begun.
4421
03:50:04,305 --> 03:50:06,240
People love that movie,
4422
03:50:06,264 --> 03:50:08,938
and I find it to be so campy.
4423
03:50:08,962 --> 03:50:11,138
Hey, grandpa,
look at the mirror!
4424
03:50:13,097 --> 03:50:14,552
You stupid bastards!
4425
03:50:14,576 --> 03:50:15,989
I really wanted to prove
myself on that,
4426
03:50:16,013 --> 03:50:17,729
even though it was
a very low budget movie,
4427
03:50:17,753 --> 03:50:19,103
we did the best we could.
4428
03:50:20,365 --> 03:50:21,646
No!
4429
03:50:21,670 --> 03:50:23,300
No! Holy shit!
4430
03:50:23,324 --> 03:50:25,737
"Night of the Demons" is about
4431
03:50:25,761 --> 03:50:30,046
these girls that have a party,
and everybody's excited to go
4432
03:50:30,070 --> 03:50:32,440
and they're all dressed up
in different costumes,
4433
03:50:32,464 --> 03:50:34,659
and they call out a demon.
4434
03:50:34,683 --> 03:50:35,989
Concentrate.
4435
03:50:40,211 --> 03:50:42,778
I get possessed,
and I just go crazy.
4436
03:50:45,303 --> 03:50:48,021
[Squelching, growling]
4437
03:50:48,045 --> 03:50:50,980
I am writing on my face
with lipstick,
4438
03:50:51,004 --> 03:50:53,635
I'm making lipstick disappear
in my breasts,
4439
03:50:53,659 --> 03:50:55,463
which nobody expects.
4440
03:50:55,487 --> 03:50:58,118
It's like it's supposed
to be kind of titillating.
4441
03:50:58,142 --> 03:51:00,971
Hahaha, but it becomes weird.
4442
03:51:05,410 --> 03:51:11,217
When they do the effect
on camera, they show my breasts,
4443
03:51:11,241 --> 03:51:14,133
then they cut away
and then there's a mold of me
4444
03:51:14,157 --> 03:51:16,048
from here to there.
4445
03:51:16,072 --> 03:51:18,659
They had cut out a little slit,
4446
03:51:18,683 --> 03:51:21,967
so when I'm doing
my lipstick trick,
4447
03:51:21,991 --> 03:51:24,080
that lipstick just goes
right through there.
4448
03:51:26,778 --> 03:51:29,931
When I first met Steve Johnson,
who did the effects,
4449
03:51:29,955 --> 03:51:35,284
I went to his shop and they had
to do a lifecast of my breast.
4450
03:51:35,308 --> 03:51:37,678
I had a crush on him right away,
4451
03:51:37,702 --> 03:51:41,812
and then I guess he kind of
had a crush on me, too.
4452
03:51:41,836 --> 03:51:45,512
So it was very awkward because
he's putting alginate,
4453
03:51:45,536 --> 03:51:48,819
which is like a plaster
type thing that hardens on me.
4454
03:51:48,843 --> 03:51:51,822
And then they're wrapping me
like a mummy with bandages
4455
03:51:51,846 --> 03:51:55,826
and having to touch my breasts,
and it was just very awkward.
4456
03:51:55,850 --> 03:52:00,092
So it was interesting
how we met.
4457
03:52:00,116 --> 03:52:03,399
I enjoyed that effect, because
it wasn't on my face
4458
03:52:03,423 --> 03:52:05,488
and I didn't feel like
I was like covered
4459
03:52:05,512 --> 03:52:08,491
in all this horrible stuff.
4460
03:52:08,515 --> 03:52:10,798
But I'm like a very vain girl
in this movie,
4461
03:52:10,822 --> 03:52:13,453
and I have to ask
if my makeup's okay.
4462
03:52:13,477 --> 03:52:15,150
Is my makeup okay?
4463
03:52:15,174 --> 03:52:17,761
I put my head back, you know,
they cut away
4464
03:52:17,785 --> 03:52:20,721
and then I'm possessed.
4465
03:52:20,745 --> 03:52:21,765
Ah!
4466
03:52:21,789 --> 03:52:24,420
Stop looking at me!
Ah!
4467
03:52:24,444 --> 03:52:28,250
I had contacts and teeth
and all this makeup
4468
03:52:28,274 --> 03:52:30,165
that was glued to me,
4469
03:52:30,189 --> 03:52:34,952
and then I surprised him
by poking his eyes out.
4470
03:52:34,976 --> 03:52:37,390
And in fact, it's not my hands
that are doing it
4471
03:52:37,414 --> 03:52:39,914
because I didn't do it right.
4472
03:52:39,938 --> 03:52:42,482
They had to like put my bracelet
on this guy's hands
4473
03:52:42,506 --> 03:52:46,747
and have him poke my eyes
out professionally.
4474
03:52:46,771 --> 03:52:48,444
I could look at it and see how
it would scare the shit
4475
03:52:48,468 --> 03:52:50,011
at certain scenes.
4476
03:52:50,035 --> 03:52:51,708
You see Angela gliding
down the hall
4477
03:52:51,732 --> 03:52:53,710
and going through the shadows
and light with that face.
4478
03:52:53,734 --> 03:52:55,649
It's pretty... pretty creepy.
4479
03:52:59,958 --> 03:53:03,764
Most of the cast thought
the house was haunted.
4480
03:53:03,788 --> 03:53:05,331
They thought there was
really hauntings.
4481
03:53:05,355 --> 03:53:06,921
I think it scared them.
4482
03:53:18,237 --> 03:53:21,216
As a horror fan, you were kind
of learning that the business,
4483
03:53:21,240 --> 03:53:23,218
the movie business
was very fickle.
4484
03:53:23,242 --> 03:53:26,655
So any number of your horror
icon directors
4485
03:53:26,679 --> 03:53:29,441
can be jumping to
any project at any given minute.
4486
03:53:29,465 --> 03:53:31,138
Every month in Fangoria,
there's a section called
4487
03:53:31,162 --> 03:53:34,489
Monster Invasion, and that's
news of upcoming releases.
4488
03:53:34,513 --> 03:53:36,230
And there would always be
a paragraph at the bottom
4489
03:53:36,254 --> 03:53:38,232
called The Terror Teletype.
4490
03:53:38,256 --> 03:53:41,540
"Director X is making
film Y with actor Z"
4491
03:53:41,564 --> 03:53:44,499
and you'd be like,
"Wow, I want to see that."
4492
03:53:44,523 --> 03:53:46,153
And then that movie
would never happen.
4493
03:53:46,177 --> 03:53:47,439
And that happened a lot.
4494
03:53:52,488 --> 03:53:55,423
"The Fly" is one of my favorite
films of all time,
4495
03:53:55,447 --> 03:53:58,339
and given the opportunity
to write the sequel
4496
03:53:58,363 --> 03:54:00,863
was incredibly exciting to me.
4497
03:54:00,887 --> 03:54:02,474
And what I came up
4498
03:54:02,498 --> 03:54:05,520
with bears very
little resemblance
4499
03:54:05,544 --> 03:54:07,807
to the movie
that was eventually made.
4500
03:54:10,636 --> 03:54:13,180
The original "Fly 2"
that I came up with
4501
03:54:13,204 --> 03:54:16,575
had a lot to do with something
that was going on at the time.
4502
03:54:16,599 --> 03:54:19,012
There was a couple named
Tony and Susan Alamo,
4503
03:54:19,036 --> 03:54:22,276
and they would try to find
mothers talk them
4504
03:54:22,300 --> 03:54:25,323
out of the abortions
and talk them into
4505
03:54:25,347 --> 03:54:28,848
raising good Christian,
God fearing children.
4506
03:54:28,872 --> 03:54:32,112
So I took it a step further
and said, well,
4507
03:54:32,136 --> 03:54:33,853
let's find an organization
4508
03:54:33,877 --> 03:54:36,595
that not only wants them
not to abort,
4509
03:54:36,619 --> 03:54:40,425
they are also training them,
as the Soviet Union
4510
03:54:40,449 --> 03:54:44,516
did decades ago,
creating super children.
4511
03:54:44,540 --> 03:54:47,736
If Veronica Quaife
and Seth Brundle
4512
03:54:47,760 --> 03:54:50,739
had had that baby
and Veronica wanted
4513
03:54:50,763 --> 03:54:52,741
to abort because of the monster
4514
03:54:52,765 --> 03:54:56,789
she knew it would become
but was talked into giving up
4515
03:54:56,813 --> 03:55:01,402
her baby for adoption
by this group,
4516
03:55:01,426 --> 03:55:05,145
they suddenly are in possession
of this super powerful creature
4517
03:55:05,169 --> 03:55:08,148
that looked human
but was much more than that.
4518
03:55:08,172 --> 03:55:10,281
It would become
the first line of defense
4519
03:55:10,305 --> 03:55:13,240
in a new Christian army.
4520
03:55:13,264 --> 03:55:16,983
Then along came a new studio
head, Leonard Goldberg.
4521
03:55:17,007 --> 03:55:19,159
He had a very short life
4522
03:55:19,183 --> 03:55:21,490
as a feature studio
at 20th Century Fox.
4523
03:55:24,493 --> 03:55:26,993
He wanted
a teenage monster movie.
4524
03:55:27,017 --> 03:55:29,300
That's what was popular
in the '80s,
4525
03:55:29,324 --> 03:55:32,999
so suddenly, what I thought
could be a good companion piece
4526
03:55:33,023 --> 03:55:37,810
to the Cronenberg movie became
something much more mundane.
4527
03:55:42,597 --> 03:55:44,966
I did write a version of that,
4528
03:55:44,990 --> 03:55:49,406
but I left to direct my first
movie "Critters 2" at that time,
4529
03:55:49,430 --> 03:55:52,887
and Frank Darabont came on board
as the second writer on "Fly 2"
4530
03:55:52,911 --> 03:55:55,194
and then Jim and Ken Wheat.
4531
03:55:55,218 --> 03:55:57,699
So in the resulting movie...
4532
03:55:59,091 --> 03:56:01,026
I was sitting in my seat,
4533
03:56:01,050 --> 03:56:02,680
and I was watching it unspool,
4534
03:56:02,704 --> 03:56:05,073
and I'm sinking lower
and lower in my seat.
4535
03:56:05,097 --> 03:56:07,989
It's so far removed
from what the intent was,
4536
03:56:08,013 --> 03:56:11,210
and I thought Chris Wallace
did a great job as a director,
4537
03:56:11,234 --> 03:56:12,951
good cast and everything but...
4538
03:56:12,975 --> 03:56:15,519
But it was so far afield
from what I had intended
4539
03:56:15,543 --> 03:56:18,459
that it... I haven't
watched it since.
4540
03:56:22,941 --> 03:56:25,529
Woodruff: "Pumpkinhead,"
it's a morality tale,
4541
03:56:25,553 --> 03:56:27,400
which always make
for the best movies.
4542
03:56:27,424 --> 03:56:30,925
I have been trying to get back
into the world of "Pumpkinhead"
4543
03:56:30,949 --> 03:56:34,233
and get the rights back
to do a prequel that...
4544
03:56:34,257 --> 03:56:36,017
That sort of sets up the story
4545
03:56:36,041 --> 03:56:38,324
and tells it
in a linear fashion,
4546
03:56:38,348 --> 03:56:40,805
so that it leads and ends up
4547
03:56:40,829 --> 03:56:43,068
with the Stan Winston movie
from the '80s.
4548
03:56:43,092 --> 03:56:47,333
But... but while
that could be a long,
4549
03:56:47,357 --> 03:56:48,726
long, long process with...
4550
03:56:48,750 --> 03:56:50,273
With yielding very little..
4551
03:56:57,454 --> 03:57:02,783
After "Chainsaw 2," I wrote
a treatment for "Chainsaw 3"
4552
03:57:02,807 --> 03:57:05,873
and that Sawyers have now moved
to New York City.
4553
03:57:05,897 --> 03:57:09,834
Leatherface and Stretch
are married.
4554
03:57:09,858 --> 03:57:11,879
They have a little baby
in a bone crib
4555
03:57:11,903 --> 03:57:14,229
with like a little
leather mask on.
4556
03:57:14,253 --> 03:57:18,170
Chop Top is a DJ
in a disco club.
4557
03:57:21,652 --> 03:57:25,066
Leatherface by day works
for Parks and Recreation,
4558
03:57:25,090 --> 03:57:27,547
sewing off limbs
in Central Park.
4559
03:57:27,571 --> 03:57:32,073
And Jim Siedow, the cook,
has a famous chili restaurant
4560
03:57:32,097 --> 03:57:34,946
down in Soho, and at night
4561
03:57:34,970 --> 03:57:38,428
Leatherface goes into the steam
tunnels under Grand Central
4562
03:57:38,452 --> 03:57:40,560
and chops up
some of the homeless,
4563
03:57:40,584 --> 03:57:42,867
and that's the meat
for Jim Siedow's
4564
03:57:42,891 --> 03:57:44,869
award-winning chili.
4565
03:57:44,893 --> 03:57:47,045
Tobe didn't really want to go
to that place.
4566
03:57:47,069 --> 03:57:50,159
So that was you know that...
That was kind of stillborn.
4567
03:57:56,120 --> 03:58:00,013
We thought that the follow up
to "Re-animator"
4568
03:58:00,037 --> 03:58:03,321
wouldn't be "Re-animator 2."
4569
03:58:03,345 --> 03:58:06,063
Gordon: The idea of doing a
series of movies based on Lovecraft
4570
03:58:06,087 --> 03:58:08,935
was something that
really appealed to us.
4571
03:58:08,959 --> 03:58:10,589
And so the next project
4572
03:58:10,613 --> 03:58:12,678
was gonna be
"Shadow over Innsmouth,"
4573
03:58:12,702 --> 03:58:15,551
which is a story about people
turning into fish.
4574
03:58:15,575 --> 03:58:20,033
Lovecraft is taking evolution
and turning it upside down.
4575
03:58:20,057 --> 03:58:21,818
Instead of, you know... you know
the idea of us
4576
03:58:21,842 --> 03:58:26,475
coming out of the sea,
we're going back into the sea.
4577
03:58:26,499 --> 03:58:31,654
People are changing into
underwater creatures.
4578
03:58:31,678 --> 03:58:33,699
Yuzna: And Dennis actually wrote
the script of that
4579
03:58:33,723 --> 03:58:36,615
while we were in post production
for "Re-animator."
4580
03:58:36,639 --> 03:58:40,402
That to me seemed like the
sequel, just like the sequel
4581
03:58:40,426 --> 03:58:43,492
to the "House of Usher"
was "The Pit and the Pendulum."
4582
03:58:43,516 --> 03:58:47,670
We'd get Jeffrey and Barbara
do it more like a William Castle
4583
03:58:47,694 --> 03:58:52,501
series of movies
or a Corman Poe series.
4584
03:58:52,525 --> 03:58:54,328
Gordon: Everybody, including
Charlie Band,
4585
03:58:54,352 --> 03:58:56,679
who owned the studio
that were making the films
4586
03:58:56,703 --> 03:58:58,898
thought this concept
was ridiculous
4587
03:58:58,922 --> 03:59:01,118
and no one's gonna want to see
a movie like this.
4588
03:59:01,142 --> 03:59:03,990
Brian Yuzna and I took
that concept and pitched it
4589
03:59:04,014 --> 03:59:05,644
to just about
every studio in town.
4590
03:59:05,668 --> 03:59:07,167
The closest we ever got
to getting it made
4591
03:59:07,191 --> 03:59:08,691
was one guy who said,
4592
03:59:08,715 --> 03:59:10,388
"Well, if you make them
werewolves, we'll do it.
4593
03:59:10,412 --> 03:59:13,826
Turning into fish is not scary."
4594
03:59:13,850 --> 03:59:15,872
And I wanted to say to that guy,
you know, how about
4595
03:59:15,896 --> 03:59:18,048
if I just bring a big fish in
and put it on your desk
4596
03:59:18,072 --> 03:59:19,919
right now, you know,
or shark or something?
4597
03:59:19,943 --> 03:59:23,619
I think you might find that
a little disturbing.
4598
03:59:23,643 --> 03:59:29,755
Winston: Shadow had a ton of
really cool production concepts
4599
03:59:29,779 --> 03:59:33,150
that were developed by
the masterful illustrator
4600
03:59:33,174 --> 03:59:36,196
Bernie Wrightson.
4601
03:59:36,220 --> 03:59:40,374
Stuart Gordon never got
to make "Shadow over Innsmouth,"
4602
03:59:40,398 --> 03:59:44,141
but he did get to use some of
those elements in "Dagon."
4603
03:59:47,362 --> 03:59:49,451
We will live for eternity.
4604
03:59:51,584 --> 03:59:53,083
The thing about
"Shadow over Innsmouth"
4605
03:59:53,107 --> 03:59:54,867
is it's one
of the most action packed
4606
03:59:54,891 --> 03:59:57,783
Lovecraft stories
ever that he ever wrote.
4607
03:59:57,807 --> 03:59:59,916
"Shadow Over Innsmouth"
is a novella.
4608
03:59:59,940 --> 04:00:02,222
It really is like the closest
he ever got to a novel.
4609
04:00:02,246 --> 04:00:04,094
You know, I read somewhere
that Fritz Lang wanted
4610
04:00:04,118 --> 04:00:07,600
to make it way back in the day,
which would have been wonderful.
4611
04:00:26,313 --> 04:00:29,727
"Bad Taste" was my personal
introduction to Peter Jackson,
4612
04:00:29,751 --> 04:00:32,774
and I've been in love
with his work ever since.
4613
04:00:32,798 --> 04:00:36,125
He was a New Zealand filmmaker
who wanted to move on to bigger
4614
04:00:36,149 --> 04:00:39,302
and better things,
and he certainly did.
4615
04:00:39,326 --> 04:00:41,696
He was getting a lot of
attention for "Meet the Feebles"
4616
04:00:41,720 --> 04:00:44,176
but that one still
didn't go over quite as well.
4617
04:00:44,200 --> 04:00:47,397
This was the movie that kind of
broke him to American audiences,
4618
04:00:47,421 --> 04:00:50,182
and then of course,
this led into "Dead Alive,"
4619
04:00:50,206 --> 04:00:53,621
which made people stand up
and take notice.
4620
04:00:53,645 --> 04:00:56,275
"Bad Taste," it's about aliens
that come down
4621
04:00:56,299 --> 04:01:02,020
and find the new taste sensation
on Earth is human flesh.
4622
04:01:02,044 --> 04:01:05,221
Tomorrow we're having you
for lunch.
4623
04:01:07,136 --> 04:01:09,027
It is a film
that only could have come
4624
04:01:09,051 --> 04:01:11,140
from the mind of Peter Jackson.
4625
04:01:13,273 --> 04:01:18,689
The aliens are these big,
dumb monsters
4626
04:01:18,713 --> 04:01:22,084
that have asses that
stick out really far.
4627
04:01:22,108 --> 04:01:24,173
They're not scary at all.
4628
04:01:24,197 --> 04:01:26,765
They're completely
meant to be dumb.
4629
04:01:32,031 --> 04:01:34,531
Peter Jackson is starring
in the film as well.
4630
04:01:34,555 --> 04:01:36,359
He plays a guy named Derek.
4631
04:01:36,383 --> 04:01:38,579
And as we know,
Dereks don't run.
4632
04:01:38,603 --> 04:01:40,972
I'm a Derek.
4633
04:01:40,996 --> 04:01:42,452
Dereks don't run.
4634
04:01:42,476 --> 04:01:45,411
He falls off a cliff
and his skull breaks open
4635
04:01:45,435 --> 04:01:47,742
so part of his brain falls out.
4636
04:01:50,397 --> 04:01:54,507
Throughout the film, his back
of his head keeps falling open,
4637
04:01:54,531 --> 04:01:57,012
and his brain
keeps getting exposed.
4638
04:01:58,927 --> 04:02:01,123
He starts picking up brains
along the way
4639
04:02:01,147 --> 04:02:03,821
and shoving them
back into his head,
4640
04:02:03,845 --> 04:02:06,215
and he takes his belt off
and puts it around his head
4641
04:02:06,239 --> 04:02:08,347
to keep his skull
closed to stop his brain
4642
04:02:08,371 --> 04:02:12,090
from falling out all the time.
4643
04:02:12,114 --> 04:02:15,267
The effects in the movie
are outstanding.
4644
04:02:15,291 --> 04:02:16,878
You can actually look at this,
4645
04:02:16,902 --> 04:02:20,446
and if you look
at Peter Jackson's work
4646
04:02:20,470 --> 04:02:23,319
with "Lord of the Rings,"
4647
04:02:23,343 --> 04:02:30,804
you had the foundations of Weta,
who goes on to be this in-demand
4648
04:02:30,828 --> 04:02:33,981
Oscar award
winning effects company
4649
04:02:34,005 --> 04:02:38,115
that was making this
really goofy weird stuff
4650
04:02:38,139 --> 04:02:39,401
back in the '80s.
4651
04:08:01,591 --> 04:08:04,463
Announcer: This time,
he's back with a vengeance.
4652
04:08:07,075 --> 04:08:09,792
Halloween 5: The Revenge
of Michael Myers.
4653
04:08:09,816 --> 04:08:12,360
"Halloween 5" is the revenge
of Michael Myers,
4654
04:08:12,384 --> 04:08:14,449
And it's when the series
starts to introduce
4655
04:08:14,473 --> 04:08:16,234
some of the weirder aspects.
4656
04:08:16,258 --> 04:08:18,366
There's apparently
now a psychic connection
4657
04:08:18,390 --> 04:08:21,935
between Michael and Jamie Lloyd
and he's sporting a tattoo
4658
04:08:21,959 --> 04:08:25,112
that would come to be part
of the curse of the Thorne cult,
4659
04:08:25,136 --> 04:08:27,114
but you don't get
that weird green blood
4660
04:08:27,138 --> 04:08:29,140
that Michael Myers
has in the next one.
4661
04:08:31,273 --> 04:08:35,296
I rewatched 5, and it's actually
really, really good,
4662
04:08:35,320 --> 04:08:38,062
maybe even better than 2.
4663
04:08:40,064 --> 04:08:42,782
And it really is the return
of this horrific
4664
04:08:42,806 --> 04:08:46,114
mad man to his hometown.
4665
04:08:51,423 --> 04:08:54,794
Fundamentally, what is scary
about Michael Myers
4666
04:08:54,818 --> 04:08:58,406
is that mask, that rubber mask,
that white face,
4667
04:08:58,430 --> 04:09:00,408
that unknowable entity
4668
04:09:00,432 --> 04:09:02,715
that is consistent
throughout the franchise,
4669
04:09:02,739 --> 04:09:04,499
even though the mask changed,
4670
04:09:04,523 --> 04:09:07,546
I think not usually
for the better over the sequels,
4671
04:09:07,570 --> 04:09:12,811
people saw that original mask,
and went, "That is scary."
4672
04:09:12,835 --> 04:09:14,160
Every horror movie works
4673
04:09:14,184 --> 04:09:16,119
if it's got a well
written script,
4674
04:09:16,143 --> 04:09:18,556
it's not about budget,
it's about the story.
4675
04:09:18,580 --> 04:09:20,427
There has to be some
different elements
4676
04:09:20,451 --> 04:09:21,994
where you care
about the characters.
4677
04:09:22,018 --> 04:09:24,475
Can you kill him?
4678
04:09:24,499 --> 04:09:26,520
I think so.
4679
04:09:26,544 --> 04:09:29,175
-Wait a minute, Loomis
-There isn't a minute to wait.
4680
04:09:29,199 --> 04:09:30,785
And that's kind of the whole
crux of that movie,
4681
04:09:30,809 --> 04:09:32,526
and why we care, because we know
the showdown is coming
4682
04:09:32,550 --> 04:09:34,354
between characters
that we care about,
4683
04:09:34,378 --> 04:09:37,531
And that's why the movie
resonates because you care
4684
04:09:37,555 --> 04:09:40,621
about what happens
at the finish of this movie.
4685
04:09:40,645 --> 04:09:43,822
Oh, God.
4686
04:09:55,356 --> 04:09:58,683
Announcer: "Shocker."
4687
04:09:58,707 --> 04:10:00,946
Horace Pinker
is a serial killer,
4688
04:10:00,970 --> 04:10:02,058
he goes on death row...
4689
04:10:03,886 --> 04:10:05,453
death by electric chair.
4690
04:10:07,063 --> 04:10:12,392
He gets shocked, but then,
like feels the power.
4691
04:10:12,416 --> 04:10:16,309
And survives it, and comes back
from the dead
4692
04:10:16,333 --> 04:10:18,074
as an electric murderer.
4693
04:10:20,598 --> 04:10:22,185
The reason why "Shocker"
really works
4694
04:10:22,209 --> 04:10:24,404
is because the character
of Horace Pinker,
4695
04:10:24,428 --> 04:10:26,928
the murderer,
is played by Mitch Pileggi
4696
04:10:26,952 --> 04:10:28,887
who was Skinner
in "The X Files."
4697
04:10:28,911 --> 04:10:31,740
He plays it really evil
and mean and straight.
4698
04:10:34,046 --> 04:10:37,069
Finger looking good.
4699
04:10:37,093 --> 04:10:39,008
He's got that look
and so it works.
4700
04:10:42,620 --> 04:10:45,033
Horace Pinker's makeup
was really interesting
4701
04:10:45,057 --> 04:10:47,862
in that everything in that movie
is practical, everything.
4702
04:10:47,886 --> 04:10:49,192
Shit!
4703
04:10:51,020 --> 04:10:54,347
I went to visit my boyfriend,
David Anderson, on the set.
4704
04:10:54,371 --> 04:10:56,915
They were rolling gurneys
out of the house,
4705
04:10:56,939 --> 04:10:59,396
And I'm like, "Wes, I'm gonna
get on one of the gurneys
4706
04:10:59,420 --> 04:11:00,788
and play a dead body."
He was like, "Great."
4707
04:11:00,812 --> 04:11:02,399
And then I just got on it
one of the gurneys
4708
04:11:02,423 --> 04:11:03,922
and they rolled me out
under a blanket.
4709
04:11:03,946 --> 04:11:05,315
That's me.
4710
04:11:05,339 --> 04:11:07,360
It was pretty ridiculous.
4711
04:11:07,384 --> 04:11:10,102
Somebody put me in the credits.
That was probably Wes.
4712
04:11:10,126 --> 04:11:11,930
He has a sense of humor.
4713
04:11:11,954 --> 04:11:14,019
Watching horror movies
being filmed by Wes Craven,
4714
04:11:14,043 --> 04:11:15,392
there's never a dull moment.
4715
04:11:18,308 --> 04:11:20,286
I've heard of audience
participation shows,
4716
04:11:20,310 --> 04:11:21,766
but this is ridiculous.
4717
04:11:21,790 --> 04:11:23,159
Jericho: When you talk about
the connection
4718
04:11:23,183 --> 04:11:24,769
between heavy metal
and horror movies,
4719
04:11:24,793 --> 04:11:26,552
"Shocker" is probably
the epitome of it
4720
04:11:26,576 --> 04:11:28,989
because they had some heavy
hitters on that soundtrack.
4721
04:11:29,013 --> 04:11:31,470
The theme song
is called "Shocker."
4722
04:11:31,494 --> 04:11:34,280
And it's by a band called
The Dudes of Wrath.
4723
04:11:41,852 --> 04:11:43,395
Who are The Dudes of Wrath?
4724
04:11:43,419 --> 04:11:46,268
Paul Stanley on vocals,
Desmond Child on vocals,
4725
04:11:46,292 --> 04:11:48,531
Rudy Sarzo on bass
from the Ozzy's band,
4726
04:11:48,555 --> 04:11:54,928
Tommy Lee on drums
and Guy Mann Dude on guitar.
4727
04:11:54,952 --> 04:11:56,472
There's no way
that can be a real name.
4728
04:12:01,872 --> 04:12:05,287
Announcer: "Silent Night,
Deadly Night 3:
4729
04:12:05,311 --> 04:12:06,853
Better Watch Out!"
4730
04:12:06,877 --> 04:12:09,813
Supported by full trade
and consumer advertising.
4731
04:12:09,837 --> 04:12:11,989
I'm playing Ricky
the Santa Claus killer.
4732
04:12:12,013 --> 04:12:14,905
Horror.
4733
04:12:14,929 --> 04:12:17,516
I've escaped from
the prison hospital,
4734
04:12:17,540 --> 04:12:20,563
I've come to after being
in some kind of a coma.
4735
04:12:20,587 --> 04:12:22,086
I'm wearing my brain cap,
4736
04:12:22,110 --> 04:12:24,697
which is basically
a clear salad bowl
4737
04:12:24,721 --> 04:12:27,091
with a bunch of blinking lights
with a rubber brain
4738
04:12:27,115 --> 04:12:31,661
with a bunch of orange liquid
swirling around in it.
4739
04:12:31,685 --> 04:12:35,099
I liked gutting Tony
from "West Side Story"
4740
04:12:35,123 --> 04:12:38,929
Richard Beymer, the therapist
going "Ricky, Ricky."
4741
04:12:38,953 --> 04:12:40,931
Come on, Ricky.
4742
04:12:40,955 --> 04:12:43,412
I don't like to hurt anybody
on the set.
4743
04:12:43,436 --> 04:12:45,544
I did a couple takes
and he complained
4744
04:12:45,568 --> 04:12:47,546
that I wasn't
doing it hard enough.
4745
04:12:47,570 --> 04:12:49,244
He challenged my manhood.
4746
04:12:49,268 --> 04:12:51,681
I remember, basically,
so it felt,
4747
04:12:51,705 --> 04:12:53,489
and so I did really...
4748
04:12:56,623 --> 04:13:00,516
That got the Richard Beymer's
seal of approval.
4749
04:13:00,540 --> 04:13:02,648
Carlos Palomino picks me up
4750
04:13:02,672 --> 04:13:04,694
for a middleweight boxing
champion of the world.
4751
04:13:04,718 --> 04:13:06,173
Merry Christmas, buddy.
4752
04:13:06,197 --> 04:13:08,132
Hop in.
4753
04:13:08,156 --> 04:13:09,655
Working his way up the ladder
4754
04:13:09,679 --> 04:13:11,202
in the acting business.
4755
04:13:13,292 --> 04:13:15,226
What happened to you, man?
4756
04:13:15,250 --> 04:13:16,662
You get a head transplant?
4757
04:13:16,686 --> 04:13:18,490
That's the last we see
of Carlos.
4758
04:13:18,514 --> 04:13:21,711
The next thing we see of me is
I'm wearing Carlos's clothes
4759
04:13:21,735 --> 04:13:25,628
and I'm knocking on the door
of a... of a house.
4760
04:13:25,652 --> 04:13:27,499
Yes?
4761
04:13:27,523 --> 04:13:30,415
An old, kindly old woman
opens up and she goes,
4762
04:13:30,439 --> 04:13:32,025
"Oh, you look like
you're a homeless man.
4763
04:13:32,049 --> 04:13:34,854
Why don't you come in,
I'll give you something to eat."
4764
04:13:34,878 --> 04:13:38,467
I had a fear, a secret actors
fear and that was...
4765
04:13:38,491 --> 04:13:40,251
That I would
never be able to cry.
4766
04:13:40,275 --> 04:13:43,688
Some actors really just were
in touch with their emotions.
4767
04:13:43,712 --> 04:13:45,995
They could turn the, you know,
the water on and off
4768
04:13:46,019 --> 04:13:47,562
and I just thought,
4769
04:13:47,586 --> 04:13:49,912
"Geez, I'll never be able
to do that."
4770
04:13:49,936 --> 04:13:53,132
And I remember looking up
at this kind... this lady,
4771
04:13:53,156 --> 04:13:54,699
they beautifully cast.
4772
04:13:54,723 --> 04:13:57,702
She's beaming down at me,
and I started to cry.
4773
04:13:57,726 --> 04:13:59,965
This moment was so loving,
4774
04:13:59,989 --> 04:14:02,707
the tears started
falling out of my eyes,
4775
04:14:02,731 --> 04:14:08,583
and then all of a sudden
Monte goes, "And cut.
4776
04:14:08,607 --> 04:14:10,411
"Sotto voce."
4777
04:14:10,435 --> 04:14:15,590
And all of a sudden the crew
starts spontaneously clapping.
4778
04:14:15,614 --> 04:14:17,200
As these tears are coming down
4779
04:14:17,224 --> 04:14:20,029
Ricky the Santa Claus
killer's cheeks,
4780
04:14:20,053 --> 04:14:23,491
and I just remember thinking,
"This is fucking weird."
4781
04:14:34,459 --> 04:14:36,393
Woman: Did you really
kill your mama?
4782
04:14:36,417 --> 04:14:37,742
What?
4783
04:14:37,766 --> 04:14:40,615
Did you really kill your mama?
4784
04:14:40,639 --> 04:14:43,966
The power of that movie
is the truth of that movie.
4785
04:14:43,990 --> 04:14:45,228
"Henry: Portrait
of a Serial Killer"
4786
04:14:45,252 --> 04:14:47,448
was based on a true story.
4787
04:14:47,472 --> 04:14:49,561
It's something
that goes for the gut.
4788
04:14:53,739 --> 04:14:57,588
I personally love to hate
serial killer movies.
4789
04:14:57,612 --> 04:15:01,287
They scare me a lot because
they're representative
4790
04:15:01,311 --> 04:15:04,290
of something
that really happens.
4791
04:15:04,314 --> 04:15:06,554
"Henry: Portrait
of a Serial Killer,"
4792
04:15:06,578 --> 04:15:11,733
that one feels
very raw and gritty.
4793
04:15:11,757 --> 04:15:14,083
Don't do that, Otis,
she's your sister.
4794
04:15:14,107 --> 04:15:15,911
Okay, I was only kidding
around, Henry.
4795
04:15:15,935 --> 04:15:18,000
- Tell her you're sorry.
- Okay.
4796
04:15:18,024 --> 04:15:20,524
They did that on a very,
very low budget.
4797
04:15:20,548 --> 04:15:24,049
That was one of the first movies
that Michael Rooker did.
4798
04:15:24,073 --> 04:15:27,401
His performance in that film
is so scary.
4799
04:15:27,425 --> 04:15:30,012
Henry: You strangle one
and stab another and
4800
04:15:30,036 --> 04:15:32,144
one when you cut up,
one you don't,
4801
04:15:32,168 --> 04:15:33,842
then police don't know
what to do.
4802
04:15:33,866 --> 04:15:36,105
Seemingly having a normal life
4803
04:15:36,129 --> 04:15:39,021
with kind of an almost
girlfriend and a friend,
4804
04:15:39,045 --> 04:15:41,676
and he was living with somebody
4805
04:15:41,700 --> 04:15:46,313
but all the while committing
these crazy murders is chilling.
4806
04:15:49,142 --> 04:15:51,990
I'm really fascinated by this
sort of psychological reasons
4807
04:15:52,014 --> 04:15:53,731
why we become who we are,
4808
04:15:53,755 --> 04:15:56,951
And that is an obvious
clear case of some sort
4809
04:15:56,975 --> 04:15:59,997
of deep childhood trauma
that hasn't been addressed,
4810
04:16:00,021 --> 04:16:02,870
and some sort of unhealthy
relationship with his mom.
4811
04:16:02,894 --> 04:16:05,786
Mentally unstable people
with childhood traumas
4812
04:16:05,810 --> 04:16:07,831
who then manifest those traumas
4813
04:16:07,855 --> 04:16:11,598
into real life horror shows,
it happens.
4814
04:16:13,644 --> 04:16:15,143
And that is scary.
4815
04:16:15,167 --> 04:16:20,714
Sometimes you beat me,
make me wear a dress,
4816
04:16:20,738 --> 04:16:22,498
watch you doing it.
4817
04:16:22,522 --> 04:16:26,154
This is less of a, you know,
exploitation movie
4818
04:16:26,178 --> 04:16:27,851
and more of a character study,
4819
04:16:27,875 --> 04:16:29,897
and that's the kind of stuff
I dial into.
4820
04:16:29,921 --> 04:16:32,900
Maybe there is a line
that you can cross.
4821
04:16:32,924 --> 04:16:35,535
"Henry: Portrait of a Serial
Killer" came close to that...
4822
04:16:38,407 --> 04:16:40,037
but that just makes
a great horror movie
4823
04:16:40,061 --> 04:16:42,455
that gets under your skin
and becomes super memorable.
4824
04:16:53,553 --> 04:16:56,619
There's so many things that
a horror film can do for you,
4825
04:16:56,643 --> 04:17:02,059
and I think a lot of the fans
find it very healing
4826
04:17:02,083 --> 04:17:06,368
that have gone through things
or going through things.
4827
04:17:06,392 --> 04:17:09,893
They find hope in that,
and they think...
4828
04:17:09,917 --> 04:17:12,722
They live through you
vicariously going,
4829
04:17:12,746 --> 04:17:14,376
"I'm gonna kick ass,
4830
04:17:14,400 --> 04:17:16,707
I'm gonna get rid of all
these bad things in my life."
4831
04:17:19,318 --> 04:17:22,079
And I've had fans come
and say that to me,
4832
04:17:22,103 --> 04:17:24,386
I didn't have friends
or I was teased
4833
04:17:24,410 --> 04:17:26,040
or gender issues.
4834
04:17:26,064 --> 04:17:29,870
And this was one world where
the monster gets payback
4835
04:17:29,894 --> 04:17:31,460
when you're a kid.
4836
04:17:37,597 --> 04:17:40,663
I've been bullied,
I've been an outcast.
4837
04:17:40,687 --> 04:17:43,884
And I think that is kind of
what resonates with fans,
4838
04:17:43,908 --> 04:17:46,016
because a lot of my fans
will tell me
4839
04:17:46,040 --> 04:17:48,671
they've had similar issues
4840
04:17:48,695 --> 04:17:50,934
when they were a kid
or a teenager.
4841
04:17:50,958 --> 04:17:53,284
People are watching horror
because it's,
4842
04:17:53,308 --> 04:17:54,895
"Oh, I see myself in it.
4843
04:17:54,919 --> 04:17:56,853
Oh, this got me
through a tough time.
4844
04:17:56,877 --> 04:17:58,812
Oh, this final girl reminded me
of this trauma
4845
04:17:58,836 --> 04:18:00,378
that I experienced."
4846
04:18:00,402 --> 04:18:03,556
And they're turning it
into a kind of therapy.
4847
04:18:03,580 --> 04:18:05,427
People are even kind
of dissecting
4848
04:18:05,451 --> 04:18:07,081
what the movies meant to them.
4849
04:18:07,105 --> 04:18:09,344
It's refreshing because all
I've been hearing about,
4850
04:18:09,368 --> 04:18:10,388
"Oh, it's such a great movie."
4851
04:18:10,412 --> 04:18:12,215
But now "it's a great movie,
4852
04:18:12,239 --> 04:18:15,567
because this is what it meant
to me and this is why."
4853
04:18:15,591 --> 04:18:17,220
Horror is personal.
4854
04:18:17,244 --> 04:18:19,440
I think it represents not only
our personal styles
4855
04:18:19,464 --> 04:18:22,486
and our personal feelings,
you know, about the genre
4856
04:18:22,510 --> 04:18:24,358
and what we love about it.
4857
04:18:24,382 --> 04:18:26,969
But I think for a lot of us,
it becomes part of our journey.
4858
04:18:26,993 --> 04:18:29,972
For as scary as it can be
and as fun as it can be,
4859
04:18:29,996 --> 04:18:33,280
regardless of the quote
unquote quality of it,
4860
04:18:33,304 --> 04:18:35,108
It still means something to us.
4861
04:18:35,132 --> 04:18:37,806
We're talking about this,
like, incredibly respected,
4862
04:18:37,830 --> 04:18:41,810
well done horror film, or this
sort of campy horror film
4863
04:18:41,834 --> 04:18:43,769
that's actually terrible
but everyone loves it,
4864
04:18:43,793 --> 04:18:45,553
and everything in between.
4865
04:18:45,577 --> 04:18:48,861
It's kind of inspiring to see
people so deeply excited
4866
04:18:48,885 --> 04:18:50,645
and invested in entertainment.
4867
04:18:50,669 --> 04:18:52,279
You know, it feeds them.
4868
04:18:53,890 --> 04:18:55,563
They stand the test of time,
because they're...
4869
04:18:55,587 --> 04:18:57,696
They're super fun.
4870
04:18:57,720 --> 04:19:00,568
When you look at a lot of films,
specifically horror movies
4871
04:19:00,592 --> 04:19:02,657
during the '80s,
they were taking a beating
4872
04:19:02,681 --> 04:19:04,354
left and right from critics.
4873
04:19:04,378 --> 04:19:05,747
But I think that
kind of goes to show
4874
04:19:05,771 --> 04:19:07,923
that you really
shouldn't judge movies
4875
04:19:07,947 --> 04:19:11,318
based on sort of that time
that they released,
4876
04:19:11,342 --> 04:19:13,407
because ultimately,
I think they're gonna live on
4877
04:19:13,431 --> 04:19:16,453
and in very different ways
and come to mean a lot to fans.
4878
04:19:16,477 --> 04:19:19,326
I think we're all missing
our youth, basically.
4879
04:19:19,350 --> 04:19:21,241
The '80s to me was a great time.
4880
04:19:21,265 --> 04:19:25,332
I was vibrant more.
4881
04:19:25,356 --> 04:19:28,727
So the nostalgia
is breaking down meaning.
4882
04:19:28,751 --> 04:19:31,033
The good, the bad,
the in between.
4883
04:19:31,057 --> 04:19:33,993
It all means something to all
of us, in one way or another.
4884
04:19:34,017 --> 04:19:36,169
Emotions and memories
and nostalgia
4885
04:19:36,193 --> 04:19:38,084
that it's tied to these films
4886
04:19:38,108 --> 04:19:40,390
for a lot of us who grew up
during that time.
4887
04:19:40,414 --> 04:19:42,958
Film is an art unto itself.
4888
04:19:42,982 --> 04:19:44,699
You need to look back
at its history
4889
04:19:44,723 --> 04:19:47,180
because it's not
only the technology,
4890
04:19:47,204 --> 04:19:49,399
it's the storytelling,
the narrative.
4891
04:19:49,423 --> 04:19:53,012
There's only so many stories
to tell around the campfire.
4892
04:19:53,036 --> 04:19:56,755
Never neglect that stuff,
even if your appreciation for it
4893
04:19:56,779 --> 04:20:02,499
is as something primitive,
and... and... and old and naive.
4894
04:20:02,523 --> 04:20:03,979
You still need to see it.
4895
04:20:04,003 --> 04:20:05,677
I think there's so much access
4896
04:20:05,701 --> 04:20:10,899
to just everything now
that a lot of stuff gets lost.
4897
04:20:10,923 --> 04:20:14,555
So if you curate the ones
4898
04:20:14,579 --> 04:20:17,514
that you feel
are important to be seen,
4899
04:20:17,538 --> 04:20:19,081
then you bring attention
4900
04:20:19,105 --> 04:20:21,040
that they might
not have gotten otherwise.
4901
04:20:21,064 --> 04:20:22,694
Curation is key.
4902
04:20:22,718 --> 04:20:24,913
Nobile: I think it's important
to keep digging up films
4903
04:20:24,937 --> 04:20:27,088
and putting them
in front of new eyeballs,
4904
04:20:27,112 --> 04:20:29,395
because the pool is just
getting more and more narrow.
4905
04:20:29,419 --> 04:20:30,875
I don't know, I just want people
to be excited
4906
04:20:30,899 --> 04:20:33,791
about the discovery
of these older films.
4907
04:20:33,815 --> 04:20:36,315
Word of mouth keeps
'80s horror alive.
4908
04:20:36,339 --> 04:20:37,838
I have a list at home,
4909
04:20:37,862 --> 04:20:39,622
things I have not seen
that I need to watch.
4910
04:20:39,646 --> 04:20:42,408
Because of the horror community,
every time something comes up
4911
04:20:42,432 --> 04:20:44,932
that I haven't seen,
I write it down,
4912
04:20:44,956 --> 04:20:46,412
because how could you...
4913
04:20:46,436 --> 04:20:48,327
How could I have missed that,
you know?
4914
04:20:48,351 --> 04:20:50,808
The horror family is a family.
4915
04:20:50,832 --> 04:20:53,985
The knowledge base
there is incredible.
4916
04:20:54,009 --> 04:20:55,987
I think revisiting the films
is really interesting
4917
04:20:56,011 --> 04:20:58,250
if you revisit them
at later points in your life,
4918
04:20:58,274 --> 04:21:00,469
so you can revisit a film,
a well made film,
4919
04:21:00,493 --> 04:21:03,908
and it will yield
new things for you.
4920
04:21:03,932 --> 04:21:07,413
That's incredibly
influential to me.
4921
04:21:09,764 --> 04:21:11,219
People can talk about
'80s horror
4922
04:21:11,243 --> 04:21:12,830
till the sun comes up.
4923
04:21:12,854 --> 04:21:14,290
I sure do.
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