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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,134 --> 00:00:02,603 Previously on "The Practice"... 2 00:00:02,636 --> 00:00:04,337 My client was in shock 3 00:00:04,370 --> 00:00:05,405 at the time of this interrogation. 4 00:00:05,438 --> 00:00:06,439 He had just found his wife dead 5 00:00:06,472 --> 00:00:08,074 less than an hour before this. 6 00:00:08,108 --> 00:00:11,077 I'll allow the videotape for impeachment purposes only. 7 00:00:11,111 --> 00:00:12,546 He killed my sister. 8 00:00:12,579 --> 00:00:14,548 Don't tell me now that he's going to walk. 9 00:00:14,581 --> 00:00:15,749 Mr. Barrett, we had hoped to be able to introduce 10 00:00:15,782 --> 00:00:17,483 the videotape interrogation. 11 00:00:17,518 --> 00:00:18,752 And you can't? 12 00:00:18,785 --> 00:00:20,453 Not unless we get him on the stand. 13 00:00:20,486 --> 00:00:22,122 This will only happen 14 00:00:22,155 --> 00:00:23,356 if his lawyers think he's losing. 15 00:00:23,389 --> 00:00:25,358 Which means, when we ask you, 16 00:00:25,391 --> 00:00:26,760 "Did your sister seem suicidal?", 17 00:00:26,793 --> 00:00:28,228 a response of "I didn't think so" 18 00:00:28,261 --> 00:00:30,230 isn't going to do it. 19 00:00:30,263 --> 00:00:32,232 She was murdered if you know it. 20 00:00:32,265 --> 00:00:36,302 She did not commit suicide. You absolutely know it. 21 00:00:36,336 --> 00:00:38,171 Did your sister say anything else, sir? 22 00:00:38,204 --> 00:00:39,640 She said that if she turned up missing 23 00:00:39,673 --> 00:00:41,542 that I should call the police 24 00:00:41,575 --> 00:00:43,577 because Scott probably did something to her. 25 00:00:43,610 --> 00:00:45,245 BOBBY: Objection! 26 00:00:45,278 --> 00:00:47,180 I know what you said to him, how you coached him to -- 27 00:00:47,213 --> 00:00:48,381 Hey, Helen! 28 00:00:48,414 --> 00:00:50,116 The man committed perjury, Richard. 29 00:00:50,150 --> 00:00:51,384 We both know it. 30 00:00:51,417 --> 00:00:53,253 -I want to testify. -I can't let you. 31 00:00:53,286 --> 00:00:54,521 Bobby -- 32 00:00:54,555 --> 00:00:56,256 The defense rests, your honor. 33 00:00:56,289 --> 00:00:58,525 We find the defendant Scott Wallace... 34 00:00:58,559 --> 00:01:00,093 guilty. 35 00:01:01,828 --> 00:01:04,364 This thing was built to bring children joy, 36 00:01:04,397 --> 00:01:05,666 and it's toxic. 37 00:01:05,699 --> 00:01:08,134 The number Ellenor and I think is reasonable 38 00:01:08,168 --> 00:01:10,136 is 160 per child. 39 00:01:10,170 --> 00:01:12,372 Nothing is good enough for what they did to our kids. 40 00:01:12,405 --> 00:01:13,406 $20,000. 41 00:01:13,439 --> 00:01:14,575 $20,000? 42 00:01:14,608 --> 00:01:16,142 Apiece. 43 00:01:16,176 --> 00:01:17,744 And we're only offering it to avoid the publicity 44 00:01:17,778 --> 00:01:18,845 that this hearing might generate. 45 00:01:18,879 --> 00:01:20,480 We have children 46 00:01:20,514 --> 00:01:22,549 with severe learning disabilities. 47 00:01:22,583 --> 00:01:24,217 Even if that thing is toxic, 48 00:01:24,250 --> 00:01:25,852 the government didn't manufacture it. 49 00:01:25,886 --> 00:01:28,388 I don't think we'll lose at summary judgment. 50 00:01:28,421 --> 00:01:31,291 To say that the EPA knew of a leaching problem 51 00:01:31,324 --> 00:01:33,694 and failed either to correct it or to warn about it 52 00:01:33,727 --> 00:01:35,596 makes them negligent 53 00:01:35,629 --> 00:01:38,331 is, in fact, a question a jury should be deciding, 54 00:01:38,364 --> 00:01:39,399 not a judge. 55 00:01:39,432 --> 00:01:40,667 What happened? 56 00:01:40,701 --> 00:01:42,335 We're still alive. 57 00:01:45,606 --> 00:01:47,574 Are your experts ready? 58 00:01:47,608 --> 00:01:49,342 JIMMY: They're all set. 59 00:01:49,375 --> 00:01:50,577 Dr. Tilotson flew in this morning. 60 00:01:50,611 --> 00:01:51,778 He's going to be great. 61 00:01:51,812 --> 00:01:53,346 He's very dignified and very persuasive. 62 00:01:53,379 --> 00:01:55,181 Who have they got? 63 00:01:55,215 --> 00:01:57,317 The EPA? How about everybody. 64 00:01:57,350 --> 00:01:59,786 They can't afford to lose this case. 65 00:01:59,820 --> 00:02:01,888 The precedent would be a disaster. 66 00:02:01,922 --> 00:02:03,156 She's nervous. 67 00:02:03,189 --> 00:02:04,525 I am not. 68 00:02:04,558 --> 00:02:06,860 Okay, look. This is not like tobacco, 69 00:02:06,893 --> 00:02:08,461 where the jury's going to go in thinking 70 00:02:08,494 --> 00:02:09,896 that the defendant is evil. 71 00:02:09,930 --> 00:02:12,899 There's no predisposition weighing in your favor here. 72 00:02:12,933 --> 00:02:14,467 In fact, in this case, 73 00:02:14,501 --> 00:02:16,537 the jury's fears will work against you. 74 00:02:16,570 --> 00:02:17,738 How do you figure that? 75 00:02:17,771 --> 00:02:19,573 People don't want to believe 76 00:02:19,606 --> 00:02:20,874 that playground equipment all over 77 00:02:20,907 --> 00:02:22,175 is poisoning their children. 78 00:02:22,208 --> 00:02:23,644 They don't want to believe 79 00:02:23,677 --> 00:02:25,311 that the government could know about it 80 00:02:25,345 --> 00:02:26,747 and just look the other way because of politics. 81 00:02:26,780 --> 00:02:28,649 Well, that's exactly -- 82 00:02:28,682 --> 00:02:30,517 People don't want to believe it, Ellenor, 83 00:02:30,551 --> 00:02:33,520 And you have to be mindful of that as you try this case. 84 00:02:33,554 --> 00:02:36,923 You are arguing something nobody wants to accept. 85 00:02:36,957 --> 00:02:38,358 Okay, Bobby. We get it. 86 00:02:38,391 --> 00:02:40,493 How is your science? 87 00:02:40,527 --> 00:02:42,395 It's circumstantial but credible. 88 00:02:42,428 --> 00:02:44,565 Don't focus on proof so much. 89 00:02:44,598 --> 00:02:45,966 It's hammering the fact 90 00:02:45,999 --> 00:02:48,234 that the EPA didn't test this stuff enough. 91 00:02:48,268 --> 00:02:50,604 All right, Bobby, we have done this before. 92 00:02:50,637 --> 00:02:53,239 We've been preparing this case for eight months now, 93 00:02:53,273 --> 00:02:55,509 and we know what we have to do. 94 00:02:55,542 --> 00:02:56,877 Anything else? 95 00:02:56,910 --> 00:02:58,779 Yeah. 96 00:02:58,812 --> 00:03:00,581 Win. 97 00:03:01,782 --> 00:03:04,350 ♪ (theme) 98 00:03:53,499 --> 00:03:55,268 You ready? 99 00:03:55,301 --> 00:03:57,538 Yeah, as ready as I'm going to get. 100 00:03:57,571 --> 00:03:59,673 Aren't you going in today? 101 00:03:59,706 --> 00:04:03,476 Yeah, just moving slow. 102 00:04:03,510 --> 00:04:06,312 You okay, Helen? 103 00:04:06,346 --> 00:04:08,381 Yeah. 104 00:04:08,414 --> 00:04:10,751 Don't I look fabulous? 105 00:04:10,784 --> 00:04:13,319 It's just you've been acting a little blue 106 00:04:13,353 --> 00:04:14,755 for about a week now. 107 00:04:14,788 --> 00:04:17,023 Really? Must be a mid-life thing. 108 00:04:17,057 --> 00:04:18,491 Promised myself 109 00:04:18,525 --> 00:04:21,494 if I wasn't rich and famous by 30, I'd -- 110 00:04:21,528 --> 00:04:24,430 I'd at least be sleeping with someone who was. 111 00:04:29,369 --> 00:04:31,605 I'm working as fast as I can, Bobby. 112 00:04:31,638 --> 00:04:32,973 Get Jimmy to help you. 113 00:04:33,006 --> 00:04:34,508 He's third-chairing the Jamison trial. 114 00:04:34,541 --> 00:04:35,709 Look, while we sit on our hands, 115 00:04:35,742 --> 00:04:36,877 Scott Wallace is sitting in jail. 116 00:04:36,910 --> 00:04:38,579 Nobody is sitting on their hands, 117 00:04:38,612 --> 00:04:39,680 especially me. 118 00:04:39,713 --> 00:04:41,848 I'm off to see him now. 119 00:04:41,882 --> 00:04:43,083 Bobby, you are going to let him in 120 00:04:43,116 --> 00:04:45,385 on everything he has to appeal? 121 00:04:50,724 --> 00:04:52,559 The injuries are neurological, 122 00:04:52,593 --> 00:04:54,828 most likely caused by a toxin. 123 00:04:54,861 --> 00:04:56,697 Did you form an opinion, doctor, 124 00:04:56,730 --> 00:04:58,832 as to what caused these neurological injuries? 125 00:04:58,865 --> 00:05:01,935 We couldn't make any findings to a medical certainty, 126 00:05:01,968 --> 00:05:04,838 but it's my belief that these children were exposed 127 00:05:04,871 --> 00:05:06,406 to arsenic poisoning, 128 00:05:06,439 --> 00:05:08,642 and it was determined the likely culprit 129 00:05:08,675 --> 00:05:10,476 was a play gym in the backyard. 130 00:05:10,511 --> 00:05:12,478 Okay, and can you tell us 131 00:05:12,513 --> 00:05:14,748 why you fault the play gym? 132 00:05:14,781 --> 00:05:16,416 The wood was treated 133 00:05:16,449 --> 00:05:18,418 with chromated copper arsenicals, 134 00:05:18,451 --> 00:05:20,420 commonly known as CCA. 135 00:05:20,453 --> 00:05:22,956 It's a fungicide. It's an insecticide. 136 00:05:22,989 --> 00:05:24,958 It's also a carcinogen. 137 00:05:24,991 --> 00:05:28,028 Over time, it can break down. 138 00:05:28,061 --> 00:05:29,495 The kids touch it, 139 00:05:29,530 --> 00:05:30,831 they put their hands in their mouths, 140 00:05:30,864 --> 00:05:32,132 and they ingest it. 141 00:05:32,165 --> 00:05:33,834 The neuropathy these children suffered 142 00:05:33,867 --> 00:05:35,836 is consistent with the injuries 143 00:05:35,869 --> 00:05:38,939 typically caused by exposure to CCA. 144 00:05:38,972 --> 00:05:40,607 You can't prove that this play equipment 145 00:05:40,641 --> 00:05:42,609 caused these problems, can you, doctor? 146 00:05:42,643 --> 00:05:45,145 Can I prove it? No. 147 00:05:45,178 --> 00:05:46,780 In fact, doctor, 148 00:05:46,813 --> 00:05:49,616 you can't even prove to a medical certainty 149 00:05:49,650 --> 00:05:52,152 that exposure to CCA even causes 150 00:05:52,185 --> 00:05:55,121 neurological damage of any kind, can you? 151 00:05:55,155 --> 00:05:57,123 There is certainly enough anecdotal evidence 152 00:05:57,157 --> 00:05:58,959 to strongly suggest that it does. 153 00:05:58,992 --> 00:06:00,727 Can you prove it, doctor? 154 00:06:00,761 --> 00:06:01,995 One of the reasons 155 00:06:02,028 --> 00:06:03,730 it hasn't been scientifically proven 156 00:06:03,764 --> 00:06:04,731 is that we haven't done enough testing to -- 157 00:06:04,765 --> 00:06:06,733 You cannot prove it, 158 00:06:06,767 --> 00:06:08,702 can you, doctor? 159 00:06:08,735 --> 00:06:11,572 No. 160 00:06:17,043 --> 00:06:18,745 Ms. Gamble? 161 00:06:18,779 --> 00:06:21,815 Mr. Barrett, thank you for coming by. 162 00:06:21,848 --> 00:06:23,183 What's going on? 163 00:06:23,216 --> 00:06:25,085 Well, nothing to worry about, 164 00:06:25,118 --> 00:06:26,620 but, uh, you know, 165 00:06:26,653 --> 00:06:28,622 I'm anticipating the defense to appeal. 166 00:06:28,655 --> 00:06:30,891 I think I told you this. 167 00:06:30,924 --> 00:06:32,893 And? 168 00:06:32,926 --> 00:06:34,460 My feeling is 169 00:06:34,494 --> 00:06:36,162 one of the grounds they'll be raising 170 00:06:36,196 --> 00:06:38,031 is the veracity of your testimony. 171 00:06:38,064 --> 00:06:40,901 I thought I could best head that off at the pass 172 00:06:40,934 --> 00:06:42,736 by offering polygraph results. 173 00:06:42,769 --> 00:06:44,470 You could take the test in my office. 174 00:06:44,505 --> 00:06:46,006 It won't take more than an hour. 175 00:06:46,039 --> 00:06:48,509 I thought they weren't ever admissible. 176 00:06:48,542 --> 00:06:50,043 For suspects. For witnesses, 177 00:06:50,076 --> 00:06:52,012 they can actually carry some weight. 178 00:06:52,045 --> 00:06:54,848 I don't want to take any polygraph. 179 00:06:54,881 --> 00:06:57,718 It would be a big help to me if you did. 180 00:06:57,751 --> 00:07:00,687 I'm sorry, I don't want to do that. 181 00:07:00,721 --> 00:07:04,691 Why is that, Mr. Barrett? 182 00:07:04,725 --> 00:07:08,829 Did you not tell the truth? 183 00:07:08,862 --> 00:07:10,964 I'm going to need that polygraph. 184 00:07:10,997 --> 00:07:12,966 Otherwise, I might be compelled 185 00:07:12,999 --> 00:07:15,902 to go to the judge and ask for a new trial. 186 00:07:15,936 --> 00:07:18,138 I don't know what's going on, Ms. Gamble, 187 00:07:18,171 --> 00:07:20,173 but I'm not taking a lie detector. 188 00:07:24,010 --> 00:07:26,880 You could be facing perjury, Mr. Barrett. 189 00:07:26,913 --> 00:07:29,082 I think you should have your lawyer 190 00:07:29,115 --> 00:07:31,852 pay me a visit...today. 191 00:07:35,021 --> 00:07:38,091 All these names came out of your wife's rolodex. 192 00:07:38,124 --> 00:07:41,094 I need you to go through it and tell us who they are. 193 00:07:41,127 --> 00:07:43,029 What are you looking for? 194 00:07:43,063 --> 00:07:45,932 The desperation of it will probably depress you. 195 00:07:45,966 --> 00:07:47,167 Tell me. 196 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:49,269 Well, is there any possibility 197 00:07:49,302 --> 00:07:51,037 that it wasn't suicide, 198 00:07:51,071 --> 00:07:52,939 that somebody else killed her? 199 00:07:52,973 --> 00:07:54,040 What? 200 00:07:54,074 --> 00:07:56,042 I know it's out there, but, well, 201 00:07:56,076 --> 00:07:57,678 she was leaving you. 202 00:07:57,711 --> 00:07:59,780 Suppose she was seeing somebody else. 203 00:07:59,813 --> 00:08:01,648 Suppose after you two fought, 204 00:08:01,682 --> 00:08:03,517 she called him and he came over to get her. 205 00:08:03,550 --> 00:08:04,918 And killed her? 206 00:08:04,951 --> 00:08:07,187 I haven't exactly thought it through, I'm just -- 207 00:08:07,220 --> 00:08:08,955 I'm just groping for something. 208 00:08:08,989 --> 00:08:11,658 Well, you're right. This depresses me. 209 00:08:11,692 --> 00:08:13,794 Just go through the list. 210 00:08:13,827 --> 00:08:15,796 I want to know who everybody is. 211 00:08:15,829 --> 00:08:17,798 What about the appeal? 212 00:08:17,831 --> 00:08:20,233 We're putting it together. 213 00:08:29,309 --> 00:08:32,979 Listen, Scott, um... 214 00:08:33,013 --> 00:08:36,817 you have one other ground we need to talk about. 215 00:08:36,850 --> 00:08:38,919 It could cost me my bar card. 216 00:08:38,952 --> 00:08:40,186 What are you talking about? 217 00:08:40,220 --> 00:08:44,024 You were denied your right to testify by me. 218 00:08:46,026 --> 00:08:47,994 You were adamant about getting up there, 219 00:08:48,028 --> 00:08:51,031 and I just cut you off and rested the defense. 220 00:08:51,064 --> 00:08:52,933 I think it's an issue. 221 00:08:52,966 --> 00:08:54,635 Well, you did it 222 00:08:54,668 --> 00:08:57,003 because you believed it was the best strategy. 223 00:08:57,037 --> 00:09:00,006 But in the end it has to be your decision, 224 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:02,142 and I totally usurped it. 225 00:09:02,175 --> 00:09:05,145 You might want to think about hiring a new lawyer 226 00:09:05,178 --> 00:09:06,913 and making that 227 00:09:06,947 --> 00:09:08,915 one of the grounds for appeal. 228 00:09:08,949 --> 00:09:11,885 What, can't you argue it? 229 00:09:11,918 --> 00:09:13,887 It's a little strange for me 230 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:15,722 to argue my own infraction. 231 00:09:15,756 --> 00:09:20,093 (sighs) Bobby... 232 00:09:20,126 --> 00:09:22,095 the situation that I'm in, 233 00:09:22,128 --> 00:09:25,098 it's not likely I'm going to get out of here. 234 00:09:25,131 --> 00:09:26,767 I know the odds. 235 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:29,636 Now, if I am to have any chance, 236 00:09:29,670 --> 00:09:31,638 I need a lawyer who feels 237 00:09:31,672 --> 00:09:34,374 he's in the hole here with me, 238 00:09:34,407 --> 00:09:36,877 and you're it. 239 00:09:42,783 --> 00:09:46,019 Now, doctor, can you get the arsenic on your skin 240 00:09:46,052 --> 00:09:48,689 by touching the playground equipment? 241 00:09:48,722 --> 00:09:50,957 When the coating breaks down, absolutely. 242 00:09:50,991 --> 00:09:52,926 It can even be inhaled, 243 00:09:52,959 --> 00:09:54,928 especially when the wood is wet. 244 00:09:54,961 --> 00:09:57,664 Have any studies ever proved this? 245 00:09:57,698 --> 00:10:01,802 Yes, and the EPA evaluated studies in 1978 246 00:10:01,835 --> 00:10:05,872 and further studies in 1981 and 1987. 247 00:10:05,906 --> 00:10:07,407 All right, doctor, 248 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:11,778 is this wood a real risk in your medical opinion? 249 00:10:11,812 --> 00:10:14,247 Everybody defines risk for themselves, 250 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:16,316 but let me put it this way -- 251 00:10:16,349 --> 00:10:18,719 these things are cancer death traps 252 00:10:18,752 --> 00:10:21,421 and they're in backyards all over the country. 253 00:10:21,454 --> 00:10:24,157 Those EPA tests about inhaling and ingesting 254 00:10:24,190 --> 00:10:25,892 the arsenic off wood -- 255 00:10:25,926 --> 00:10:29,029 those studies were on unsealed wood, 256 00:10:29,062 --> 00:10:30,296 weren't they, doctor? 257 00:10:30,330 --> 00:10:32,232 I believe so. 258 00:10:32,265 --> 00:10:34,334 The wood on this playground equipment was coated. 259 00:10:34,367 --> 00:10:36,703 In time, the coating breaks down 260 00:10:36,737 --> 00:10:39,005 and seepage from arsenic increases. 261 00:10:39,039 --> 00:10:41,441 What about the wood we use to build our houses? 262 00:10:41,474 --> 00:10:42,909 That's all treated 263 00:10:42,943 --> 00:10:44,911 with a termite pesticide, isn't it? 264 00:10:44,945 --> 00:10:45,912 Yes. 265 00:10:45,946 --> 00:10:46,980 Carcinogen? 266 00:10:47,013 --> 00:10:48,915 Probably. 267 00:10:48,949 --> 00:10:50,751 So maybe even our houses 268 00:10:50,784 --> 00:10:53,219 are potential cancer death traps, 269 00:10:54,354 --> 00:10:55,889 We can't rule it out. 270 00:10:55,922 --> 00:10:58,759 The house you live in, what's it made of? 271 00:10:58,792 --> 00:11:04,064 Wood, but being inside, the coating is less likely to break down. 272 00:11:04,097 --> 00:11:07,200 But the outside wood on our houses, our porches, our decks, 273 00:11:07,233 --> 00:11:09,335 this is all treated with CCA, 274 00:11:09,369 --> 00:11:11,271 same as the play gym equipment, right, doctor? 275 00:11:11,304 --> 00:11:13,173 Most of it is, yes. 276 00:11:13,206 --> 00:11:17,043 So basically, we're all living in death traps 277 00:11:17,077 --> 00:11:19,345 according to your medical opinion. 278 00:11:19,379 --> 00:11:22,749 We can't rule it out. 279 00:11:24,484 --> 00:11:26,787 Overall, I think he came off well 280 00:11:26,820 --> 00:11:28,454 and it was a good first day. 281 00:11:28,488 --> 00:11:30,991 We still obviously have big problems on causation, 282 00:11:31,024 --> 00:11:34,127 but I think the jury is with us. 283 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:36,997 They definitely are. I was watching their faces. 284 00:11:37,030 --> 00:11:39,099 What happens next? 285 00:11:39,132 --> 00:11:41,101 They'll put up Feldman from the EPA. 286 00:11:41,134 --> 00:11:42,903 Lindsay, are you ready? 287 00:11:42,936 --> 00:11:44,505 Totally. 288 00:11:44,538 --> 00:11:46,472 This guy is tough -- 289 00:11:46,507 --> 00:11:48,474 he's got experience as a witness, 290 00:11:48,509 --> 00:11:51,011 and he's not afraid to go right back at the lawyer. 291 00:11:51,044 --> 00:11:52,245 I'm ready. 292 00:11:52,278 --> 00:11:54,247 If we do damage here, 293 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:56,149 our chances become very good. 294 00:11:56,182 --> 00:11:57,417 Do we testify? 295 00:11:57,450 --> 00:11:59,185 We've decided to hold you for rebuttal. 296 00:11:59,219 --> 00:12:00,921 We want your testimony to come 297 00:12:00,954 --> 00:12:02,155 as close to the end as possible. 298 00:12:02,188 --> 00:12:04,157 Our goal is for the jury 299 00:12:04,190 --> 00:12:06,192 to be thinking of a family in that room, 300 00:12:06,226 --> 00:12:08,261 not just chemicals and a bunch of scientists. 301 00:12:08,294 --> 00:12:10,931 But your feeling is it's going well so far? 302 00:12:10,964 --> 00:12:12,933 I think it's going quite well, 303 00:12:12,966 --> 00:12:14,535 but... 304 00:12:14,568 --> 00:12:17,938 their big gun comes next. 305 00:12:41,528 --> 00:12:43,129 You okay? 306 00:12:43,163 --> 00:12:46,399 Yeah, yeah, I'm just, uh, 307 00:12:46,432 --> 00:12:48,034 just thinking. 308 00:12:48,068 --> 00:12:50,036 Your cross on the doctor? 309 00:12:50,070 --> 00:12:52,372 I've got to get him, Bobby. 310 00:12:52,405 --> 00:12:54,374 If -- if I don't get him... 311 00:12:54,407 --> 00:12:55,976 You will. 312 00:12:56,009 --> 00:12:58,879 You will. 313 00:13:02,415 --> 00:13:04,551 First of all, whether a district attorney 314 00:13:04,585 --> 00:13:06,419 thinks a witness lied or not, 315 00:13:06,452 --> 00:13:08,021 that has no relevance. 316 00:13:08,054 --> 00:13:09,556 It does to me. 317 00:13:09,590 --> 00:13:11,424 It's the prerogative of the jury 318 00:13:11,457 --> 00:13:13,560 to weigh his credibility. They did so. 319 00:13:13,594 --> 00:13:18,164 Mr. Stone, your client lied. 320 00:13:18,198 --> 00:13:20,033 A man is serving a life sentence, 321 00:13:20,066 --> 00:13:21,902 in part, because of that lie. 322 00:13:21,935 --> 00:13:23,303 Allow me to be 323 00:13:23,336 --> 00:13:25,171 a little bit uncomfortable with that. 324 00:13:25,205 --> 00:13:26,907 Okay, Ms. Gamble, 325 00:13:26,940 --> 00:13:29,576 I'll put myself in your shoes and feel your discomfort. 326 00:13:29,610 --> 00:13:31,912 Now you put yourself in mine. 327 00:13:31,945 --> 00:13:34,180 Why in God's name would I ever agree 328 00:13:34,214 --> 00:13:36,449 to let Kyle Barrett take a lie detector? 329 00:13:36,482 --> 00:13:38,619 How about simple justice? 330 00:13:38,652 --> 00:13:40,253 I was away last week. 331 00:13:40,286 --> 00:13:42,455 Did the system suddenly become about that? 332 00:13:42,488 --> 00:13:45,091 I don't find cynicism persuasive. 333 00:13:45,125 --> 00:13:47,894 Well, idealism can be pretty incredible, as well. 334 00:13:47,928 --> 00:13:50,130 I will not let my client 335 00:13:50,163 --> 00:13:52,899 expose himself to possible perjury charges... 336 00:13:52,933 --> 00:13:54,635 I will grant him immunity on that. 337 00:13:54,668 --> 00:13:57,337 Nor will I advise him to help undo the conviction 338 00:13:57,370 --> 00:13:58,939 of his sister's killer. 339 00:13:58,972 --> 00:14:02,075 Mr. Stone, I won't sit quiet on this. 340 00:14:02,108 --> 00:14:04,110 Please. 341 00:14:04,144 --> 00:14:06,146 What are you going to do? 342 00:14:10,416 --> 00:14:12,352 The Environmental Protection Agency 343 00:14:12,385 --> 00:14:15,656 id extensive testing on CCA throughout the '80s. 344 00:14:15,689 --> 00:14:17,624 We continue to test it, 345 00:14:17,658 --> 00:14:19,660 and we have consistently found 346 00:14:19,693 --> 00:14:22,629 that it does not pose an unreasonable risk 347 00:14:22,663 --> 00:14:25,498 to either children or adults. 348 00:14:25,532 --> 00:14:27,968 But with the possibility of a risk, 349 00:14:28,001 --> 00:14:30,370 shouldn't the EPA do something? 350 00:14:30,403 --> 00:14:31,638 We have. 351 00:14:31,672 --> 00:14:34,240 The EPA developed a warning program 352 00:14:34,274 --> 00:14:37,210 which requires retailers to issue advisories 353 00:14:37,243 --> 00:14:40,113 that CCA poses potential hazards. 354 00:14:40,146 --> 00:14:43,416 Their contention that we have done nothing here 355 00:14:43,449 --> 00:14:45,118 is false. 356 00:14:45,151 --> 00:14:47,120 Well, I think their main contention is 357 00:14:47,153 --> 00:14:48,589 you haven't done enough. 358 00:14:48,622 --> 00:14:51,525 We have federal insecticide laws to deal with. 359 00:14:51,558 --> 00:14:53,660 Under the law, we have to weigh 360 00:14:53,694 --> 00:14:56,129 the potential adverse effects of a chemical 361 00:14:56,162 --> 00:15:00,000 against the economic and social benefits and costs. 362 00:15:00,033 --> 00:15:04,170 With CCA, wood lasts up to five times longer. 363 00:15:04,204 --> 00:15:07,340 Now, this represents a huge benefit to schools 364 00:15:07,373 --> 00:15:10,443 who could never afford playgrounds otherwise, 365 00:15:10,476 --> 00:15:13,079 to poor communities who could never build them 366 00:15:13,113 --> 00:15:14,548 without the preservative. 367 00:15:14,581 --> 00:15:16,550 But with the chance they cause cancer, 368 00:15:16,583 --> 00:15:18,552 do we want schools building them? 369 00:15:18,585 --> 00:15:22,022 Well, if it really caused cancer, of course not, 370 00:15:22,055 --> 00:15:25,025 but to date there is no conclusive evidence 371 00:15:25,058 --> 00:15:27,460 that exposure to CCA causes cancer 372 00:15:27,493 --> 00:15:29,563 or any neurological side effects. 373 00:15:29,596 --> 00:15:31,197 There just isn't. 374 00:15:31,231 --> 00:15:33,066 Are there any conclusive studies to show 375 00:15:33,099 --> 00:15:34,434 that it's safe? 376 00:15:34,467 --> 00:15:38,304 No, nor are there with most food preservatives. 377 00:15:38,338 --> 00:15:41,274 Should the FDA ban potato chips? 378 00:15:41,307 --> 00:15:43,276 Potato chips don't contain a pesticide. 379 00:15:43,309 --> 00:15:45,478 The pesticide is coated. 380 00:15:45,512 --> 00:15:47,413 It is sealed, counsel. 381 00:15:47,447 --> 00:15:49,750 What if the seal doesn't work? 382 00:15:49,783 --> 00:15:52,218 You're aware of Dr. Stilwell's study 383 00:15:52,252 --> 00:15:54,320 showing the arsenic is leaching 384 00:15:54,354 --> 00:15:56,256 from this playground equipment into the soil? 385 00:15:56,289 --> 00:15:58,759 That's one study. The EPA has asked 386 00:15:58,792 --> 00:16:00,761 to see the data supporting it. 387 00:16:00,794 --> 00:16:02,328 Until we review it, 388 00:16:02,362 --> 00:16:04,598 we can't attach any scientific credibility. 389 00:16:04,631 --> 00:16:06,466 The State of California does. 390 00:16:06,499 --> 00:16:08,502 They banned these wooden play gyms from schools 391 00:16:08,535 --> 00:16:10,470 unless they're re-coated every other year 392 00:16:10,504 --> 00:16:12,506 out of fear that the children could be poisoned. 393 00:16:12,539 --> 00:16:15,075 Many scientists feel that that was an overreaction. 394 00:16:15,108 --> 00:16:17,043 In 1997, a group of physicians 395 00:16:17,077 --> 00:16:20,346 and scientists informed the EPA 396 00:16:20,380 --> 00:16:22,616 that wood preservatives constituted a health threat 397 00:16:22,649 --> 00:16:24,150 to this country and -- 398 00:16:24,184 --> 00:16:26,252 Yes, and conservationists lobby us 399 00:16:26,286 --> 00:16:28,321 on behalf of the rain forest. 400 00:16:28,354 --> 00:16:31,625 But without these preservatives, more trees would be cut down. 401 00:16:31,658 --> 00:16:33,794 So kill a child, save a tree? 402 00:16:33,827 --> 00:16:35,095 Objection. 403 00:16:35,128 --> 00:16:36,496 Sustained. 404 00:16:36,530 --> 00:16:38,498 You talked about the EPA requiring advisories 405 00:16:38,532 --> 00:16:40,801 warning that CCA poses a potential health risk. 406 00:16:40,834 --> 00:16:42,503 -Yes. -Actually, that was 407 00:16:42,536 --> 00:16:44,805 a voluntary program, wasn't it, Dr. Feldman? 408 00:16:44,838 --> 00:16:47,440 If the wood industry didn't want to issue the advisories, 409 00:16:47,473 --> 00:16:48,775 they didn't have to, and most of them still don't, 410 00:16:48,809 --> 00:16:50,410 right, doctor? 411 00:16:50,443 --> 00:16:54,380 This wasn't a situation where a mandate was warranted. 412 00:16:54,414 --> 00:16:56,282 The truth is you were all set 413 00:16:56,316 --> 00:16:58,519 to issue a mandate here when the wood manufacturers 414 00:16:58,552 --> 00:17:01,121 suddenly lobbied Congress to get you to back off. 415 00:17:01,154 --> 00:17:02,789 I don't know anything about that. 416 00:17:02,823 --> 00:17:05,125 And isn't it true the EPA also backed off 417 00:17:05,158 --> 00:17:07,828 requiring further studies when the chemical industry 418 00:17:07,861 --> 00:17:11,097 gave $4 million in campaign contributions to congressmen 419 00:17:11,131 --> 00:17:12,398 to lean on you? 420 00:17:12,432 --> 00:17:14,568 The EPA has never been bought, counsel, 421 00:17:14,601 --> 00:17:15,836 I assure you. 422 00:17:15,869 --> 00:17:18,572 I show you the EPA's 1981 position paper 423 00:17:18,605 --> 00:17:20,574 regarding inorganic arsenicals, 424 00:17:20,607 --> 00:17:23,510 and I ask you to read the highlighted paragraph. 425 00:17:25,445 --> 00:17:29,382 All this basically says is we don't know. 426 00:17:29,415 --> 00:17:30,851 You don't know. 427 00:17:30,884 --> 00:17:34,420 That same paper cites a 1973 study which associates 428 00:17:34,454 --> 00:17:37,558 arsenic-tainted milk with severe retardation, 429 00:17:37,591 --> 00:17:40,694 lower I. Q. s, and abnormal EEG findings. 430 00:17:40,727 --> 00:17:43,429 That was a study of Japanese babies. 431 00:17:43,463 --> 00:17:45,632 You don't count Japan? 432 00:17:47,868 --> 00:17:49,836 What else doesn't the EPA know, doctor, 433 00:17:49,870 --> 00:17:52,305 -and when did they not know it? -Objection. 434 00:17:52,338 --> 00:17:54,140 Withdrawn. In 1996, the EPA 435 00:17:54,174 --> 00:17:56,710 failed to warn over a million power plant employees 436 00:17:56,743 --> 00:17:59,846 -that they were at risk for mercury poisoning. -Objection. 437 00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:02,315 Because the coal lobby pressured you, you backed off there. 438 00:18:02,348 --> 00:18:04,317 -Objection. Relevance. -Goes to pattern. 439 00:18:04,350 --> 00:18:05,852 They were being bought then just like they're being bought now. 440 00:18:05,886 --> 00:18:07,253 -Objection! -Objection! 441 00:18:07,287 --> 00:18:08,354 Overruled. 442 00:18:08,388 --> 00:18:09,355 You lay off chemical companies, 443 00:18:09,389 --> 00:18:10,356 don't you, Dr. Feldman? 444 00:18:10,390 --> 00:18:12,893 That is absolutely not true. 445 00:18:12,926 --> 00:18:15,729 From 1989 to 1998, 446 00:18:15,762 --> 00:18:17,363 of all the hundreds, 447 00:18:17,397 --> 00:18:19,733 if not thousands of pesticides out there, 448 00:18:19,766 --> 00:18:22,703 now many did you get neurotoxicity data on? 449 00:18:22,736 --> 00:18:24,638 I don't know the exact number. 450 00:18:24,671 --> 00:18:26,740 I do. It's nine. 451 00:18:26,773 --> 00:18:28,875 Of the hundreds, if not thousands 452 00:18:28,909 --> 00:18:32,378 of industrial chemicals, how many did you ask for 453 00:18:32,412 --> 00:18:34,748 and get the neurotoxicity data on? 454 00:18:34,781 --> 00:18:36,482 Again, I don't know the number. 455 00:18:36,517 --> 00:18:39,219 It's three. 456 00:18:39,252 --> 00:18:41,354 You guys are quite the watchdogs. 457 00:18:41,387 --> 00:18:42,756 -Objection! -Objection! 458 00:18:42,789 --> 00:18:44,490 Withdrawn. Nothing further. 459 00:19:00,974 --> 00:19:03,677 Of the five names you couldn't identify, 460 00:19:03,710 --> 00:19:06,780 two were maiden names of married women you did I. D. 461 00:19:06,813 --> 00:19:08,515 One was a pool contractor. 462 00:19:08,549 --> 00:19:10,250 Oh, yeah, we were thinking 463 00:19:10,283 --> 00:19:12,252 about installing a pool last year. 464 00:19:12,285 --> 00:19:13,787 One we're still checking, 465 00:19:13,820 --> 00:19:17,257 and one was a psychiatrist -- Dr. Bernard White. 466 00:19:17,290 --> 00:19:18,525 A psychiatrist? 467 00:19:18,559 --> 00:19:20,527 Was your wife seeing a shrink? 468 00:19:20,561 --> 00:19:22,395 Not that I'm aware of. 469 00:19:22,428 --> 00:19:25,699 He's in Cambridge. I'll pay him a visit. 470 00:19:28,334 --> 00:19:31,605 Listen, on the other... 471 00:19:31,638 --> 00:19:34,708 I understand if you want to replace me, 472 00:19:34,741 --> 00:19:36,710 I'd even recommend it. 473 00:19:36,743 --> 00:19:39,713 Can you recommend someone as good 474 00:19:39,746 --> 00:19:41,715 who will try as hard? 475 00:19:41,748 --> 00:19:45,952 Look, Bobby, I'm glad you think you screwed up. 476 00:19:45,986 --> 00:19:47,353 It's my insurance policy 477 00:19:47,387 --> 00:19:49,890 that you'll keep trying. 478 00:19:49,923 --> 00:19:52,458 I'll keep trying. 479 00:19:52,492 --> 00:19:54,761 You don't have to worry about that. 480 00:19:56,496 --> 00:19:58,599 I'm not. 481 00:20:03,770 --> 00:20:06,907 They told us it really wasn't that uncommon 482 00:20:06,940 --> 00:20:09,009 for a boy to have seizures. 483 00:20:09,042 --> 00:20:11,745 Did they test him for epilepsy? 484 00:20:11,778 --> 00:20:13,747 Oh, they tested him for everything. 485 00:20:13,780 --> 00:20:16,650 They finally settled on a toxin getting to the brain. 486 00:20:16,683 --> 00:20:18,018 And what did you do? 487 00:20:18,051 --> 00:20:20,420 There was nothing we could do. 488 00:20:20,453 --> 00:20:22,488 We got him on medication, 489 00:20:22,523 --> 00:20:25,491 which controlled the seizures. 490 00:20:25,526 --> 00:20:29,930 We thought, you know, that was that. 491 00:20:29,963 --> 00:20:33,934 Then, uh... 492 00:20:33,967 --> 00:20:35,802 Sarah started falling down. 493 00:20:35,836 --> 00:20:37,938 What do you mean she started falling down? 494 00:20:37,971 --> 00:20:41,775 She, um... 495 00:20:41,808 --> 00:20:43,644 She would trip. 496 00:20:43,677 --> 00:20:45,612 If she tried to play hopscotch, 497 00:20:45,646 --> 00:20:47,447 she'd fall flat on her face. 498 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:50,517 They thought maybe she had cerebral palsy. 499 00:20:50,551 --> 00:20:53,419 And then things started to happen with Everett? 500 00:20:55,556 --> 00:20:56,990 He can't read. 501 00:20:57,023 --> 00:20:59,893 He will never be in a normal class. 502 00:20:59,926 --> 00:21:04,798 He'll never go to college. 503 00:21:04,831 --> 00:21:06,466 And you knew. 504 00:21:06,499 --> 00:21:07,801 -Objection. -I have a boy 505 00:21:07,834 --> 00:21:09,369 whose body convulses, 506 00:21:09,402 --> 00:21:11,071 with foam coming out of his mouth, 507 00:21:11,104 --> 00:21:13,073 and a daughter who keeps falling down 508 00:21:13,106 --> 00:21:14,641 and a son who can't read, 509 00:21:14,675 --> 00:21:16,910 and you people have known for 30 years. 510 00:21:16,943 --> 00:21:18,545 Your honor. 511 00:21:18,579 --> 00:21:19,913 Mrs. Jamison, please just answer 512 00:21:19,946 --> 00:21:21,615 the questions you're asked. 513 00:21:26,687 --> 00:21:29,556 What was the question? 514 00:21:29,590 --> 00:21:31,391 The question was, 515 00:21:31,424 --> 00:21:33,827 when your son started having seizures, 516 00:21:33,860 --> 00:21:36,396 didn't the doctors say it could've come 517 00:21:36,429 --> 00:21:38,665 from a whole host of chemicals, 518 00:21:38,699 --> 00:21:41,935 including the cleaning solutions you kept in the house? 519 00:21:41,968 --> 00:21:43,837 And then I got rid of all that stuff. 520 00:21:43,870 --> 00:21:46,573 Do you live near high power lines? 521 00:21:46,607 --> 00:21:48,842 -Yes, but -- -And did the doctors inquire about them? 522 00:21:48,875 --> 00:21:51,411 Yes. They ruled them out as a cause. 523 00:21:51,444 --> 00:21:53,113 Did you and your husband 524 00:21:53,146 --> 00:21:54,981 undergo any genetic testing? 525 00:21:55,015 --> 00:21:57,584 No. 526 00:21:57,618 --> 00:21:59,586 I see. 527 00:21:59,620 --> 00:22:01,588 Where is the play equipment today? 528 00:22:01,622 --> 00:22:03,456 It's still in our backyard. 529 00:22:03,489 --> 00:22:05,959 You think this equipment is harming your children, 530 00:22:05,992 --> 00:22:07,594 and it's still there? 531 00:22:07,628 --> 00:22:09,362 We don't let them play on it. 532 00:22:09,395 --> 00:22:11,464 Well, why not get rid of it altogether? 533 00:22:11,497 --> 00:22:13,800 -Our lawyers told us not to, not until we -- -Objection. 534 00:22:13,834 --> 00:22:15,702 I need to advise my client that that is privileged. 535 00:22:15,736 --> 00:22:17,137 She does not need to answer that. 536 00:22:17,170 --> 00:22:19,372 It's also work product. 537 00:22:19,405 --> 00:22:20,807 You kept it as evidence for your lawsuit? 538 00:22:20,841 --> 00:22:21,908 Objection. 539 00:22:21,942 --> 00:22:23,443 Sustained. 540 00:22:23,476 --> 00:22:25,712 Just one last question, Mrs. Jamison. 541 00:22:25,746 --> 00:22:28,148 Did any doctor who treated your children 542 00:22:28,181 --> 00:22:29,983 conclude that their problems 543 00:22:30,016 --> 00:22:32,719 came from the CCA in the play equipment? 544 00:22:32,753 --> 00:22:35,055 Did any of them conclude that? 545 00:22:36,757 --> 00:22:37,924 No. 546 00:22:40,193 --> 00:22:41,962 Thank you, Mrs. Jamison. 547 00:22:59,079 --> 00:23:01,447 We really appreciate you taking the time. 548 00:23:01,481 --> 00:23:03,717 Sure. But as I told you on the phone, 549 00:23:03,750 --> 00:23:05,719 I'm not comfortable revealing information 550 00:23:05,752 --> 00:23:07,153 about my patients. 551 00:23:07,187 --> 00:23:08,589 I understand. 552 00:23:08,622 --> 00:23:10,456 You did treat Mrs. Wallace, then. 553 00:23:10,490 --> 00:23:14,060 I know the identity of my patients 554 00:23:14,094 --> 00:23:16,162 aren't protected by privilege, Mr. Donnell. 555 00:23:16,196 --> 00:23:19,700 Nevertheless, I am reluctant to reveal them. 556 00:23:19,733 --> 00:23:22,468 But as you said yourself, that isn't privileged. 557 00:23:22,503 --> 00:23:23,904 And even if it were, 558 00:23:23,937 --> 00:23:26,640 it wouldn't survive the death of the patient. 559 00:23:26,673 --> 00:23:28,474 Mr. Donnell, I know what the law is. 560 00:23:28,509 --> 00:23:29,910 I know you can subpoena my records. 561 00:23:29,943 --> 00:23:31,812 Hence, I agreed to this meeting. 562 00:23:31,845 --> 00:23:35,716 Could you tell us what you were treating her for? 563 00:23:35,749 --> 00:23:39,686 Anxiety, sleepless and depression. 564 00:23:40,921 --> 00:23:43,156 Did you say depression? 565 00:23:43,189 --> 00:23:46,827 -Yes. -You know that we argued that she killed herself. 566 00:23:46,860 --> 00:23:48,995 Yes, I read the papers. 567 00:23:49,029 --> 00:23:50,931 Well, why didn't you come forward? 568 00:23:50,964 --> 00:23:52,766 The prosecution was claiming she wasn't suicidal. 569 00:23:52,799 --> 00:23:54,935 You had information that she was depressed. 570 00:23:54,968 --> 00:23:58,038 Mr. Donnell, 80% of my patients are depressed. 571 00:23:58,071 --> 00:23:59,906 They don't typically take their own lives. 572 00:23:59,940 --> 00:24:01,908 But sometimes they do. 573 00:24:01,942 --> 00:24:04,044 -How could you sit on this? -I sat on this because I don't believe 574 00:24:04,077 --> 00:24:07,548 that Karen was suicidal. Secondly, if psychiatrists 575 00:24:07,581 --> 00:24:09,583 start speaking posthumously on their patients 576 00:24:09,616 --> 00:24:11,518 that could have a chilling effect on treatment. 577 00:24:11,552 --> 00:24:13,720 Most people want their record sealed, 578 00:24:13,754 --> 00:24:15,589 before their death and after. 579 00:24:15,622 --> 00:24:17,190 We had a man charged with murder here. 580 00:24:17,223 --> 00:24:18,892 The jury convicted him 581 00:24:18,925 --> 00:24:21,061 because they didn't believe the idea she was depressed. 582 00:24:21,094 --> 00:24:22,228 Don't yell at me. 583 00:24:22,262 --> 00:24:24,030 -I will yell at you! -Bobby. 584 00:24:24,064 --> 00:24:25,999 -What the hell were you thinking? -All right. 585 00:24:26,032 --> 00:24:27,968 -I was thinking she was probably murdered. -Well, you were wrong! 586 00:24:28,001 --> 00:24:29,102 Bobby. 587 00:24:35,809 --> 00:24:37,177 We need this guy. 588 00:24:42,916 --> 00:24:45,151 Can we get those records? 589 00:24:45,185 --> 00:24:47,187 Please. 590 00:24:53,293 --> 00:24:55,829 We live in a land of chemicals, 591 00:24:55,862 --> 00:24:58,865 and it's pretty out of control. 592 00:24:58,899 --> 00:25:01,301 There's an epidemic of autism in California. 593 00:25:01,334 --> 00:25:05,038 It's up over 200% in the last 13 years. 594 00:25:05,071 --> 00:25:06,607 In New York, 595 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,309 learning disabilities are up 55%. 596 00:25:09,342 --> 00:25:11,144 The likely culprit -- 597 00:25:11,177 --> 00:25:12,746 chemicals. 598 00:25:12,779 --> 00:25:15,148 And we can't expect the private industries 599 00:25:15,181 --> 00:25:17,250 to monitor themselves. 600 00:25:17,283 --> 00:25:19,653 The market is just too competitive, 601 00:25:19,686 --> 00:25:21,555 just like in everything else. 602 00:25:21,588 --> 00:25:22,923 If the wood manufacturers 603 00:25:22,956 --> 00:25:25,559 can make these play gyms and deck porches better -- 604 00:25:25,592 --> 00:25:27,561 more profitable -- they will, 605 00:25:27,594 --> 00:25:30,764 and they won't worry about the toxic side effects, 606 00:25:30,797 --> 00:25:34,134 and that's why we need the EPA. 607 00:25:34,167 --> 00:25:36,837 Just like, as the airlines become more competitive 608 00:25:36,870 --> 00:25:40,173 and cut back on their mechanics to increase profits, 609 00:25:40,206 --> 00:25:42,676 we need the FAA to step in and protect us, 610 00:25:42,709 --> 00:25:45,111 so, too, do we need the EPA 611 00:25:45,145 --> 00:25:48,281 to fulfill its duty to the public. 612 00:25:48,314 --> 00:25:51,117 And the fact is they're not. 613 00:25:51,151 --> 00:25:54,855 They've known for decades it could be dangerous, 614 00:25:54,888 --> 00:25:59,259 and they have done nothing. 615 00:25:59,292 --> 00:26:03,263 They are still doing nothing. 616 00:26:03,296 --> 00:26:05,331 Why? 617 00:26:05,365 --> 00:26:09,069 In part because of politics. 618 00:26:09,102 --> 00:26:11,805 Campaign contributions from chemical companies 619 00:26:11,838 --> 00:26:16,076 and wood manufacturers have resulted in successful lobbying 620 00:26:16,109 --> 00:26:19,646 to get the EPA to back off, and children 621 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:23,650 like the Jamison kids are getting severely hurt. 622 00:26:23,684 --> 00:26:26,086 The EPA throws its hands up and says, 623 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,354 "Hey, you can't prove it. We don't know for sure. 624 00:26:28,388 --> 00:26:30,824 We don't have the data. The tests are incomplete." 625 00:26:30,857 --> 00:26:32,926 Well, why aren't they ordering those tests? 626 00:26:32,959 --> 00:26:34,895 Why aren't they demanding data? 627 00:26:34,928 --> 00:26:37,163 They have restricted the use of CCA 628 00:26:37,197 --> 00:26:42,168 around farm animals but not around children. 629 00:26:42,202 --> 00:26:44,170 Is it because the farming industry 630 00:26:44,204 --> 00:26:48,174 has a lobby but children don't? 631 00:26:48,208 --> 00:26:50,677 What is going on? 632 00:26:50,711 --> 00:26:53,313 They've known for decades 633 00:26:53,346 --> 00:26:55,215 that there's arsenic in that wood. 634 00:26:55,248 --> 00:26:57,784 It gets out, it gets ingested, it gets inhaled, 635 00:26:57,818 --> 00:26:59,786 and they haven't done so much 636 00:26:59,820 --> 00:27:02,222 as to alert the public of the risk. 637 00:27:02,255 --> 00:27:04,791 And that's all it would have taken here. 638 00:27:04,825 --> 00:27:06,292 A simple warning, 639 00:27:06,326 --> 00:27:09,295 and the Jamisons never would have put that play gym 640 00:27:09,329 --> 00:27:10,997 in their backyard. 641 00:27:13,099 --> 00:27:16,069 You heard their star witness Dr. Feldman. 642 00:27:16,102 --> 00:27:21,975 He said EPA decisions are made on a cost-benefit analysis. 643 00:27:22,008 --> 00:27:24,344 We need you to put a big price tag 644 00:27:24,377 --> 00:27:25,979 on their failures. 645 00:27:26,012 --> 00:27:28,348 We need you to make it cost-efficient 646 00:27:28,381 --> 00:27:32,085 for them to protect our children. 647 00:27:32,118 --> 00:27:34,988 One thing is clear -- 648 00:27:35,021 --> 00:27:39,926 if you don't, they won't. 649 00:27:52,472 --> 00:27:56,442 She's right about one thing -- 650 00:27:56,476 --> 00:28:00,714 we do live in an age of chemicals. 651 00:28:00,747 --> 00:28:03,984 Want to kill the mosquito with the Nile virus? 652 00:28:04,017 --> 00:28:05,351 Chemicals. 653 00:28:05,385 --> 00:28:08,454 Don't want to get botulism from your canned soup? 654 00:28:08,488 --> 00:28:11,191 Chemicals. Preservatives. 655 00:28:11,224 --> 00:28:14,127 And I suppose the EPA 656 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,129 could demand proof that every one 657 00:28:16,162 --> 00:28:18,398 of those chemicals is completely safe 658 00:28:18,431 --> 00:28:20,200 before allowing their usage, 659 00:28:20,233 --> 00:28:24,004 and people would die of contaminants and viruses 660 00:28:24,037 --> 00:28:27,841 and bacteria -- many, many more people. 661 00:28:27,874 --> 00:28:30,276 Almost every consumer product 662 00:28:30,310 --> 00:28:34,014 poses some unproven health risk. 663 00:28:34,047 --> 00:28:36,883 Should the EPA ban them all? 664 00:28:36,917 --> 00:28:39,419 They studied CCA in wood. 665 00:28:39,452 --> 00:28:42,155 The EPA appointed a special scientific advisory panel 666 00:28:42,188 --> 00:28:43,757 to look at this. 667 00:28:43,790 --> 00:28:46,159 Their recommendation back to the EPA 668 00:28:46,192 --> 00:28:48,161 was not to ban the substance. 669 00:28:48,194 --> 00:28:49,830 Now, the plaintiffs 670 00:28:49,863 --> 00:28:52,766 may not like those scientific findings, 671 00:28:52,799 --> 00:28:54,768 they may choose to disagree, 672 00:28:54,801 --> 00:28:57,771 but this notion that the EPA knew it was dangerous 673 00:28:57,804 --> 00:28:59,773 and chose to ignore the risks 674 00:28:59,806 --> 00:29:01,775 under the influence of paid-off congressmen -- 675 00:29:01,808 --> 00:29:04,410 that's as slanderous as it is baseless. 676 00:29:04,444 --> 00:29:07,914 This is something they are studying. 677 00:29:07,948 --> 00:29:11,184 The EPA is a government agency doing its very best to keep up 678 00:29:11,217 --> 00:29:14,187 with this rapidly changing scientific landscape, 679 00:29:14,220 --> 00:29:16,823 and the decisions it makes, 680 00:29:16,857 --> 00:29:20,193 they have to be made on what is known 681 00:29:20,226 --> 00:29:22,428 as opposed to what's not. 682 00:29:22,462 --> 00:29:25,065 And today, like yesterday, 683 00:29:25,098 --> 00:29:27,167 it has not been scientifically established 684 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,803 that CCA causes the neurological defects 685 00:29:29,836 --> 00:29:31,337 the plaintiffs speak of. 686 00:29:31,371 --> 00:29:33,840 And even if it did, 687 00:29:33,874 --> 00:29:36,209 they have offered no medical evidence whatsoever 688 00:29:36,242 --> 00:29:39,345 that it did so in the case of the Jamison children. 689 00:29:39,379 --> 00:29:41,948 Their own doctor admitted she was speculating, 690 00:29:41,982 --> 00:29:45,485 she was guessing at what caused these injuries. 691 00:29:45,519 --> 00:29:48,388 As much as you may feel for these children -- 692 00:29:48,421 --> 00:29:53,126 and you should feel, as should we all -- 693 00:29:53,159 --> 00:29:55,562 we have to admit that their entire case 694 00:29:55,596 --> 00:30:00,567 is based on pure speculation 695 00:30:00,601 --> 00:30:04,505 and nothing more. 696 00:30:24,490 --> 00:30:26,359 You want me to sign this? 697 00:30:26,392 --> 00:30:28,194 It's what happened, Richard. 698 00:30:28,228 --> 00:30:30,631 An affidavit saying I coached a witness to lie? 699 00:30:30,664 --> 00:30:31,865 It doesn't say lie. 700 00:30:31,898 --> 00:30:32,999 That's the implication. 701 00:30:33,033 --> 00:30:34,100 Richard -- 702 00:30:34,134 --> 00:30:35,201 What the hell is going on? 703 00:30:35,235 --> 00:30:36,870 We both know he lied. 704 00:30:36,903 --> 00:30:39,105 He made that stuff up about his sister being afraid. 705 00:30:39,139 --> 00:30:41,307 Helen, what are you trying to accomplish? 706 00:30:41,341 --> 00:30:44,077 He should get a new trial. 707 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:48,481 I'm not signing this. 708 00:30:48,515 --> 00:30:49,950 Richard, we can't just let -- 709 00:30:49,983 --> 00:30:51,251 You're not taking me down. 710 00:30:51,284 --> 00:30:52,586 You might have some professional death wish. 711 00:30:52,619 --> 00:30:54,154 I don't, and if you think 712 00:30:54,187 --> 00:30:55,956 that I'm going to let you go forward -- 713 00:30:55,989 --> 00:30:58,592 I was in the room. I heard what you told him. 714 00:30:58,625 --> 00:31:01,494 I told him what his testimony needed to accomplish. 715 00:31:01,528 --> 00:31:03,429 I never said lie. 716 00:31:03,463 --> 00:31:05,131 But that is what he did. 717 00:31:05,165 --> 00:31:06,499 You don't know that. 718 00:31:06,533 --> 00:31:09,069 Maybe he lied, but neither of us know that. 719 00:31:09,102 --> 00:31:11,337 Maybe you can live with this conviction. I can't. 720 00:31:14,007 --> 00:31:16,610 Well, I'll fight you on this, Helen. 721 00:31:16,643 --> 00:31:18,945 I'll fight you all the way. 722 00:31:20,947 --> 00:31:22,916 You know, Richard, 723 00:31:22,949 --> 00:31:25,351 it's one thing to be competitive. 724 00:31:25,385 --> 00:31:27,921 It is another to try and rack up convictions 725 00:31:27,954 --> 00:31:29,355 out of ambition 726 00:31:29,389 --> 00:31:32,058 with no regard for a man's innocence. 727 00:31:32,092 --> 00:31:37,063 I don't believe he's innocent, 728 00:31:37,097 --> 00:31:38,699 and if you go forward 729 00:31:38,732 --> 00:31:43,269 saying I coached a witness to lie, 730 00:31:43,303 --> 00:31:46,439 your career could be over. 731 00:31:46,472 --> 00:31:51,411 Our friendship definitely will be. 732 00:32:11,431 --> 00:32:14,568 I don't know if the jury liked your closing, Lindsay, 733 00:32:14,601 --> 00:32:16,402 but the defense was impressed. 734 00:32:16,436 --> 00:32:18,138 We have a new offer. 735 00:32:18,171 --> 00:32:19,573 What? 736 00:32:19,606 --> 00:32:22,509 $225,000 per child. 737 00:32:22,543 --> 00:32:24,310 That's $675,000, 738 00:32:24,344 --> 00:32:26,446 and they will write a check right now. 739 00:32:28,448 --> 00:32:31,251 That, uh... that beats $20,000. 740 00:32:31,284 --> 00:32:33,086 It certainly does. 741 00:32:33,119 --> 00:32:34,354 Should we take it? 742 00:32:34,387 --> 00:32:38,424 Well, it's hard to turn that down, 743 00:32:38,458 --> 00:32:41,695 but I suspect they had jury consultants sitting in on the trial 744 00:32:41,728 --> 00:32:44,731 who had advised them to settle, so I don't know. 745 00:32:44,765 --> 00:32:47,634 675. 746 00:32:47,668 --> 00:32:50,270 Could we get more? 747 00:32:50,303 --> 00:32:51,705 We could. 748 00:32:51,738 --> 00:32:54,007 We could also lose. 749 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:57,611 I think we're going to get more. 750 00:32:57,644 --> 00:32:59,012 Why? 751 00:32:59,045 --> 00:33:01,447 I just do. 752 00:33:01,481 --> 00:33:03,650 This isn't the time to get greedy. 753 00:33:03,684 --> 00:33:06,252 It's not about greed, Mr. Berluti. 754 00:33:06,286 --> 00:33:08,254 Like Lindsay said, 755 00:33:08,288 --> 00:33:10,724 we want them to fix the problem. 756 00:33:10,757 --> 00:33:15,729 Angela has intuition about these things. 757 00:33:15,762 --> 00:33:17,731 Let's go to verdict. 758 00:33:17,764 --> 00:33:19,533 Are you sure? 759 00:33:19,566 --> 00:33:22,035 Are you? 760 00:33:22,068 --> 00:33:26,773 It's going to be more. 761 00:33:31,144 --> 00:33:33,313 It's right here -- depression. 762 00:33:33,346 --> 00:33:35,281 He wanted to prescribe antidepressants. 763 00:33:35,315 --> 00:33:36,282 She didn't want to take them. 764 00:33:36,316 --> 00:33:37,684 It's all right here. 765 00:33:37,718 --> 00:33:39,085 Lucy, see if we can get in to see Judge Wolfe 766 00:33:39,119 --> 00:33:40,453 this afternoon. This is new evidence. 767 00:33:40,486 --> 00:33:43,757 Eugene, call Helen Gamble, tell her -- 768 00:33:43,790 --> 00:33:47,060 Helen, we were just talking about you. 769 00:33:47,093 --> 00:33:50,063 We got new evidence on the Wallace case. 770 00:33:50,096 --> 00:33:53,567 Really? I've got some news on that myself. 771 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:54,801 What? 772 00:33:54,835 --> 00:33:56,302 I'm convinced 773 00:33:56,336 --> 00:33:59,372 that Kyle Barrett lied on the stand 774 00:33:59,405 --> 00:34:02,442 after being coached by the prosecution. 775 00:34:16,156 --> 00:34:18,792 Is it a good sign, them coming back so fast? 776 00:34:20,193 --> 00:34:23,564 No. 777 00:34:23,597 --> 00:34:26,432 Deliberations on damages would have been lengthy. 778 00:34:26,466 --> 00:34:28,434 If they find no liability, 779 00:34:28,468 --> 00:34:31,672 then the damages will be moot. 780 00:34:31,705 --> 00:34:35,676 Can we still take their offer? 781 00:34:35,709 --> 00:34:37,678 I asked. 782 00:34:37,711 --> 00:34:39,379 They laughed. 783 00:34:42,616 --> 00:34:45,586 Madam Foreperson, the jury has rendered its verdict? 784 00:34:45,619 --> 00:34:47,253 We have, your honor. 785 00:34:47,287 --> 00:34:49,189 What say you? 786 00:34:49,222 --> 00:34:51,324 In the matter of Steven Jamison et al. 787 00:34:51,357 --> 00:34:53,694 Vs. The environmental protection agency, 788 00:34:53,727 --> 00:34:56,697 we find in favor of the plaintiff 789 00:34:56,730 --> 00:34:59,533 and order the defendant 790 00:34:59,566 --> 00:35:02,468 to pay damages in the amount 791 00:35:02,503 --> 00:35:04,437 of $72 million. 792 00:35:04,470 --> 00:35:08,208 (crowd murmuring) 793 00:35:15,381 --> 00:35:16,917 Oh, my God. Oh, my God. 794 00:35:16,950 --> 00:35:20,721 ANGELA: Oh, my God. Oh, my God. 795 00:35:29,930 --> 00:35:30,931 (judge pounds gavel) 796 00:35:30,964 --> 00:35:32,899 Your honor -- your honor -- 797 00:35:32,933 --> 00:35:35,235 Settle down. This court is still in session. 798 00:35:35,268 --> 00:35:37,638 Your honor, the defense moves to remit the award. 799 00:35:37,671 --> 00:35:39,606 We also move that the verdict be set aside. 800 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:40,874 Opposed. 801 00:35:40,907 --> 00:35:42,776 I will see counsel in chambers immediately. 802 00:35:42,809 --> 00:35:44,511 (judge pounds gavel) 803 00:35:44,545 --> 00:35:46,680 What's going on? 804 00:35:46,713 --> 00:35:49,516 They're looking to strike the award as excessive. 805 00:35:49,550 --> 00:35:51,184 Can they do that? 806 00:35:51,217 --> 00:35:52,485 Well, $72 million is a lot. 807 00:35:52,519 --> 00:35:54,354 But that's what the jury found. 808 00:35:54,387 --> 00:35:55,889 Let us talk to the judge 809 00:35:55,922 --> 00:35:59,726 and we'll see what's going on, okay? 810 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:01,394 JIMMY: It's all right. 811 00:36:02,729 --> 00:36:06,299 The number alone tells you the jury was off-base. 812 00:36:06,332 --> 00:36:08,234 The fact that they deliberated for an hour -- 813 00:36:08,268 --> 00:36:09,803 Maybe it has something to do with the merits. 814 00:36:09,836 --> 00:36:11,204 All right. 815 00:36:11,237 --> 00:36:13,840 I'm granting defense's motion to remit. 816 00:36:13,874 --> 00:36:17,310 The knockdown number is $135,000 per child. 817 00:36:19,279 --> 00:36:20,380 What? 818 00:36:20,413 --> 00:36:23,283 You chopped it from $72 million 819 00:36:23,316 --> 00:36:25,586 to $400,000? 820 00:36:25,619 --> 00:36:27,353 That's less than they offered. 821 00:36:27,387 --> 00:36:29,455 I don't care. Your case was pure speculation, counsel. 822 00:36:29,489 --> 00:36:31,357 This isn't a matter of law. 823 00:36:31,391 --> 00:36:33,627 You are substituting your judgment for theirs. 824 00:36:33,660 --> 00:36:35,295 Which I am entitled to do 825 00:36:35,328 --> 00:36:37,664 when the verdict isn't supported by the facts. 826 00:36:37,698 --> 00:36:39,299 We have a right to a new trial. 827 00:36:39,332 --> 00:36:41,902 We do not have to eat your number. 828 00:36:41,935 --> 00:36:43,403 If you take a new trial, 829 00:36:43,436 --> 00:36:45,238 you'll be right back before me, Ms. Frutt, 830 00:36:45,271 --> 00:36:49,242 and any number over $135,000, I'll remit again, 831 00:36:49,275 --> 00:36:50,611 if you're lucky to win next time. 832 00:36:50,644 --> 00:36:52,245 There's no guarantee the jury will be 833 00:36:52,278 --> 00:36:54,380 as stupid as this one. 834 00:36:54,414 --> 00:36:55,749 And if you do win, I might remit the next knockdown 835 00:36:55,782 --> 00:36:59,586 to $75,000. 836 00:36:59,620 --> 00:37:03,023 I strongly suggest that you accept this proposal. 837 00:37:03,056 --> 00:37:05,759 This isn't right. 838 00:37:05,792 --> 00:37:08,328 This isn't right. 839 00:37:08,361 --> 00:37:10,697 Meet with your clients, 840 00:37:10,731 --> 00:37:14,467 then notify my clerk of your acceptance. 841 00:37:21,775 --> 00:37:23,810 Given this newly discovered evidence 842 00:37:23,844 --> 00:37:25,612 concerning the victim's depression, 843 00:37:25,646 --> 00:37:29,449 coupled with this revelation by the district attorney 844 00:37:29,482 --> 00:37:31,718 regarding the veracity of their lead witness, 845 00:37:31,752 --> 00:37:32,986 the interests of justice 846 00:37:33,019 --> 00:37:35,722 demand that the verdict be overturned. 847 00:37:35,756 --> 00:37:39,626 In the alternative, the court should order a new trial. 848 00:37:39,660 --> 00:37:41,995 I take strong exception to the suggestion 849 00:37:42,028 --> 00:37:43,897 that I coached a witness to lie. 850 00:37:43,930 --> 00:37:45,999 There's no evidence the witness did lie, 851 00:37:46,032 --> 00:37:47,000 only opinion. 852 00:37:47,033 --> 00:37:48,802 Coming from Helen Gamble. 853 00:37:48,835 --> 00:37:50,571 Helen Gamble's opinion carries no legal relevance. 854 00:37:50,604 --> 00:37:51,905 I assure you 855 00:37:51,938 --> 00:37:54,374 she has no credibility within our own department. 856 00:37:54,407 --> 00:37:55,576 Why, because she's honest? 857 00:37:55,609 --> 00:37:57,010 JUDGE WOLFE: All right. 858 00:37:57,043 --> 00:37:59,012 Your honor, this was not our lead witness. 859 00:37:59,045 --> 00:38:01,548 This was a witness. 860 00:38:01,582 --> 00:38:03,483 Who supplied motive. 861 00:38:03,517 --> 00:38:05,385 You challenged his truthfulness at trial. 862 00:38:05,418 --> 00:38:06,653 You have nothing new 863 00:38:06,687 --> 00:38:08,522 with which to challenge it here. 864 00:38:08,555 --> 00:38:11,558 As for the doctor's report, I spoke to Dr. White. 865 00:38:11,592 --> 00:38:13,560 He did not consider Karen Wallace 866 00:38:13,594 --> 00:38:15,495 to be suicidal. 867 00:38:15,529 --> 00:38:18,398 The prosecution portrayed her as optimistic. 868 00:38:18,431 --> 00:38:20,033 Which you also challenged at trial. 869 00:38:20,066 --> 00:38:22,736 Not with these medical reports, we didn't. 870 00:38:22,769 --> 00:38:25,338 All right. Ms. Gamble brought her concerns 871 00:38:25,371 --> 00:38:27,708 regarding this witness to the court's attention. 872 00:38:27,741 --> 00:38:29,475 As I told her, 873 00:38:29,510 --> 00:38:30,944 it is the jury's function 874 00:38:30,977 --> 00:38:32,979 to weigh Mr. Barrett's credibility, 875 00:38:33,013 --> 00:38:34,114 not hers. 876 00:38:34,147 --> 00:38:36,983 As I go through her affidavit, 877 00:38:37,017 --> 00:38:39,853 I don't think Mr. Bay crossed the line. 878 00:38:39,886 --> 00:38:42,589 Lawyers prepare witnesses all the time. 879 00:38:42,623 --> 00:38:45,892 I see no evidence that he solicited perjury. 880 00:38:45,926 --> 00:38:48,895 As for the doctor's report, 881 00:38:48,929 --> 00:38:51,798 I find that to be relevant, 882 00:38:51,832 --> 00:38:53,800 but I am not satisfied 883 00:38:53,834 --> 00:38:56,603 that it would have resulted in a different verdict. 884 00:38:56,637 --> 00:38:59,873 The conviction, therefore, stands. 885 00:38:59,906 --> 00:39:02,809 Defendant's motion for a new trial is denied, 886 00:39:02,843 --> 00:39:04,578 and we are adjourned. 887 00:39:17,490 --> 00:39:19,059 I'm not quitting. 888 00:39:22,495 --> 00:39:24,397 Well, what happens now? 889 00:39:24,430 --> 00:39:25,832 We'll go to appeals, 890 00:39:25,866 --> 00:39:28,935 challenge some of the legal rulings. 891 00:39:30,604 --> 00:39:32,873 I'm not quitting. 892 00:39:52,793 --> 00:39:54,895 I don't understand. 893 00:39:54,928 --> 00:39:58,031 The judge can cut back an award 894 00:39:58,064 --> 00:40:00,667 if he thinks it's too high. 895 00:40:00,701 --> 00:40:03,069 What's the point of a jury trial? 896 00:40:03,103 --> 00:40:05,672 We go through all that with a jury... 897 00:40:05,706 --> 00:40:08,542 Well, judges don't like to do it. 898 00:40:08,575 --> 00:40:11,812 With this guy, I'm not sure. 899 00:40:11,845 --> 00:40:13,814 So if we opt for a new trial, 900 00:40:13,847 --> 00:40:15,148 we'll get him again? 901 00:40:15,181 --> 00:40:16,783 That's what he's saying -- 902 00:40:16,817 --> 00:40:19,686 that he's going to keep it on his docket. 903 00:40:19,720 --> 00:40:22,956 It could be a year before-- 904 00:40:22,989 --> 00:40:25,759 (sighs) I'm going to be sick. 905 00:40:25,792 --> 00:40:29,129 I think -- 906 00:40:29,162 --> 00:40:31,865 I think we have to eat it at $135,000. 907 00:40:31,898 --> 00:40:33,233 If he keeps jurisdiction, 908 00:40:33,266 --> 00:40:35,602 he's told us that we can't do better. 909 00:40:35,636 --> 00:40:37,203 We could lose. 910 00:40:37,237 --> 00:40:40,140 This is so unfair. 911 00:40:40,173 --> 00:40:42,909 We should be able to get the money today. 912 00:40:51,718 --> 00:40:53,854 We got no choice. 913 00:40:55,722 --> 00:40:57,858 This isn't fair. 914 00:41:10,103 --> 00:41:12,906 You blind-sided the department -- 915 00:41:12,939 --> 00:41:14,908 embarrassed it. 916 00:41:14,941 --> 00:41:18,779 And now we have to deal with a media that-- 917 00:41:18,812 --> 00:41:21,582 I think that it would be best 918 00:41:21,615 --> 00:41:23,584 if you submitted your resignation. 919 00:41:23,617 --> 00:41:27,287 You're not getting my resignation, 920 00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:31,124 and if you fire me over this... 921 00:41:31,157 --> 00:41:34,728 then just watch the media come at you. 922 00:41:34,761 --> 00:41:36,630 Why are you doing this, Helen? 923 00:41:36,663 --> 00:41:39,032 We all say better to let a guilty man go free 924 00:41:39,065 --> 00:41:41,134 than put an innocent one in jail. 925 00:41:41,167 --> 00:41:46,172 An innocent man is serving a life sentence, Kate. 926 00:41:46,206 --> 00:41:49,843 If this were Texas, he might already be dead. 927 00:41:49,876 --> 00:41:52,679 When, suddenly, did you become the jury? 928 00:41:52,713 --> 00:41:56,216 The jury doesn't know he passed a polygraph. 929 00:41:56,249 --> 00:41:58,852 The jury doesn't know a witness was coached, 930 00:41:58,885 --> 00:42:01,121 that he lied. 931 00:42:01,154 --> 00:42:04,858 The jury doesn't know a lot of stuff, Kate. 932 00:42:04,891 --> 00:42:06,793 I do. 933 00:42:06,827 --> 00:42:10,196 You're right, Helen. 934 00:42:10,230 --> 00:42:14,668 I can't retaliate over this. 935 00:42:14,701 --> 00:42:17,671 So I'm going to just go back to my office 936 00:42:17,704 --> 00:42:20,273 and wait for your next mistake. 937 00:42:20,306 --> 00:42:25,311 Every day I'll just wait. 938 00:42:25,345 --> 00:42:27,981 Thanks for dropping by, Kate. 939 00:43:04,017 --> 00:43:06,352 Okay, look... 940 00:43:06,386 --> 00:43:09,690 we had a bad day. We'll have them again. 941 00:43:14,227 --> 00:43:16,630 We can't just sit here and brood. 942 00:43:20,333 --> 00:43:22,035 Bec's right. 943 00:43:22,068 --> 00:43:25,639 We got to concentrate on picking up pieces now. 944 00:43:30,977 --> 00:43:32,979 I'm going to get him. 945 00:43:35,916 --> 00:43:38,018 That judge -- 946 00:43:38,051 --> 00:43:40,153 I'm going to get him. 947 00:44:06,046 --> 00:44:08,414 ♪ (theme) 948 00:44:31,404 --> 00:44:33,139 You stinker! 68279

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