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Previously on"The Practice"...
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My client was in shock
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at the time
of this interrogation.
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He had just
found his wife dead
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less than an hour
before this.
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I'll allow the videotape
for impeachment purposes only.
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He killed my sister.
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Don't tell me now
that he's going to walk.
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Mr. Barrett, we had hoped
to be able to introduce
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the videotape interrogation.
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And you can't?
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Not unless we get him
on the stand.
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This will only happen
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if his lawyers think
he's losing.
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Which means,
when we ask you,
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"Did your sister
seem suicidal?",
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a response
of "I didn't think so"
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isn't going to do it.
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She was murdered
if you know it.
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She did not commit suicide.
You absolutely know it.
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Did your sister say
anything else, sir?
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She said that
if she turned up missing
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that I should call
the police
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because Scott probably
did something to her.
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BOBBY: Objection!
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I know what you said to him,
how you coached him to --
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Hey, Helen!
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The man committed perjury,
Richard.
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We both know it.
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-I want to testify.
-I can't let you.
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Bobby --
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The defense rests,
your honor.
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We find the defendant
Scott Wallace...
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guilty.
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This thing was built
to bring children joy,
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and it's toxic.
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The number Ellenor and I
think is reasonable
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is 160 per child.
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Nothing is good enough
for what they did to our kids.
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$20,000.
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$20,000?
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Apiece.
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And we're only offering it
to avoid the publicity
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that this hearing
might generate.
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We have children
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with severe
learning disabilities.
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Even if that thing is toxic,
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the government didn't
manufacture it.
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I don't think we'll lose
at summary judgment.
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To say that the EPA knew
of a leaching problem
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and failed either to correct it
or to warn about it
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makes them negligent
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is, in fact, a question
a jury should be deciding,
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not a judge.
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What happened?
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We're still alive.
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Are your experts ready?
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JIMMY:
They're all set.
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Dr. Tilotson flew in
this morning.
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He's going to be great.
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He's very dignified
and very persuasive.
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Who have they got?
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The EPA?
How about everybody.
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They can't afford
to lose this case.
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The precedent would be
a disaster.
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She's nervous.
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I am not.
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Okay, look.
This is not like tobacco,
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where the jury's going
to go in thinking
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that the defendant is evil.
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There's no predisposition
weighing in your favor here.
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In fact, in this case,
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the jury's fears will work
against you.
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How do you figure that?
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People don't want
to believe
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that playground equipment
all over
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is poisoning
their children.
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They don't want to believe
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that the government
could know about it
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and just look the other way
because of politics.
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Well, that's exactly --
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People don't want
to believe it, Ellenor,
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And you have to be mindful
of that as you try this case.
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You are arguing something
nobody wants to accept.
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Okay, Bobby.
We get it.
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How is your science?
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It's circumstantial
but credible.
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Don't focus on proof
so much.
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It's hammering the fact
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that the EPA didn't test
this stuff enough.
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All right, Bobby,
we have done this before.
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We've been preparing this case
for eight months now,
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and we know
what we have to do.
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Anything else?
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Yeah.
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Win.
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♪ (theme)
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You ready?
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Yeah, as ready
as I'm going to get.
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Aren't you
going in today?
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Yeah, just moving slow.
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You okay, Helen?
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Yeah.
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Don't I look fabulous?
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It's just you've been
acting a little blue
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for about a week now.
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Really?
Must be a mid-life thing.
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Promised myself
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if I wasn't rich
and famous by 30, I'd --
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I'd at least be sleeping
with someone who was.
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I'm working as fast
as I can, Bobby.
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Get Jimmy to help you.
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He's third-chairing
the Jamison trial.
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Look, while we sit
on our hands,
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Scott Wallace is sitting
in jail.
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Nobody is sitting
on their hands,
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especially me.
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I'm off to see him now.
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Bobby,
you are going to let him in
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on everything
he has to appeal?
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The injuries
are neurological,
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most likely caused
by a toxin.
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Did you form
an opinion, doctor,
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as to what caused these
neurological injuries?
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We couldn't make any findings
to a medical certainty,
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but it's my belief that
these children were exposed
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to arsenic poisoning,
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and it was determined
the likely culprit
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was a play gym
in the backyard.
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Okay,
and can you tell us
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why you fault
the play gym?
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The wood was treated
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with chromated copper
arsenicals,
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commonly known as CCA.
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It's a fungicide.
It's an insecticide.
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It's also a carcinogen.
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Over time,
it can break down.
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The kids touch it,
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they put their hands
in their mouths,
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and they ingest it.
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The neuropathy
these children suffered
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is consistent
with the injuries
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typically caused
by exposure to CCA.
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You can't prove
that this play equipment
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caused these problems,
can you, doctor?
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Can I prove it? No.
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In fact, doctor,
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you can't even prove
to a medical certainty
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that exposure to CCA
even causes
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neurological damage
of any kind, can you?
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There is certainly enough
anecdotal evidence
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to strongly suggest
that it does.
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Can you prove it, doctor?
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One of the reasons
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it hasn't been
scientifically proven
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is that we haven't done
enough testing to --
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You cannot prove it,
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can you, doctor?
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No.
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Ms. Gamble?
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Mr. Barrett,
thank you for coming by.
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What's going on?
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Well, nothing
to worry about,
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but, uh, you know,
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I'm anticipating
the defense to appeal.
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I think I told you this.
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And?
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My feeling is
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one of the grounds
they'll be raising
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is the veracity
of your testimony.
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I thought I could best
head that off at the pass
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by offering
polygraph results.
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You could take the test
in my office.
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It won't take more
than an hour.
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I thought they weren't
ever admissible.
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For suspects.
For witnesses,
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they can actually carry
some weight.
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I don't want to take
any polygraph.
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It would be a big help
to me if you did.
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I'm sorry,
I don't want to do that.
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Why is that,
Mr. Barrett?
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Did you not
tell the truth?
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I'm going to need
that polygraph.
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Otherwise,
I might be compelled
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to go to the judge
and ask for a new trial.
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I don't know
what's going on, Ms. Gamble,
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but I'm not taking
a lie detector.
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You could be facing
perjury, Mr. Barrett.
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I think you should
have your lawyer
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pay me a visit...today.
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All these names came
out of your wife's rolodex.
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I need you to go through it
and tell us who they are.
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What are you looking for?
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The desperation of it
will probably depress you.
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Tell me.
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Well, is there
any possibility
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that it wasn't suicide,
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that somebody else
killed her?
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What?
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I know it's out there,
but, well,
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she was leaving you.
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Suppose she was seeing
somebody else.
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Suppose
after you two fought,
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she called him
and he came over to get her.
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And killed her?
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I haven't exactly thought it
through, I'm just --
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I'm just groping
for something.
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Well, you're right.
This depresses me.
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Just go through the list.
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I want to know
who everybody is.
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What about the appeal?
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We're putting it together.
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Listen, Scott, um...
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you have one other ground
we need to talk about.
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It could cost me
my bar card.
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What are you talking about?
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You were denied
your right to testify by me.
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You were adamant
about getting up there,
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and I just cut you off
and rested the defense.
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I think it's an issue.
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Well, you did it
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because you believed
it was the best strategy.
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But in the end
it has to be your decision,
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and I totally usurped it.
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You might want to think
about hiring a new lawyer
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and making that
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one of the grounds
for appeal.
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What, can't you argue it?
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It's a little strange
for me
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to argue
my own infraction.
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(sighs)
Bobby...
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the situation that I'm in,
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it's not likely I'm going
to get out of here.
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I know the odds.
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Now, if I am to have
any chance,
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I need a lawyer who feels
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he's in the hole here
with me,
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and you're it.
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Now, doctor, can you get
the arsenic on your skin
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by touching
the playground equipment?
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When the coating
breaks down, absolutely.
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It can even be inhaled,
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especially
when the wood is wet.
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Have any studies
ever proved this?
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Yes, and the EPA
evaluated studies in 1978
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and further studies
in 1981 and 1987.
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All right, doctor,
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is this wood a real risk
in your medical opinion?
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Everybody defines risk
for themselves,
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but let me put it
this way --
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these things are
cancer death traps
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and they're in backyards
all over the country.
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Those EPA tests
about inhaling and ingesting
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the arsenic off wood --
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those studies were
on unsealed wood,
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weren't they, doctor?
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I believe so.
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The wood on this playground
equipment was coated.
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In time,
the coating breaks down
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and seepage
from arsenic increases.
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What about the wood we use
to build our houses?
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That's all treated
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with a termite pesticide,
isn't it?
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Yes.
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Carcinogen?
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Probably.
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So maybe even our houses
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are potential
cancer death traps,
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We can't rule it out.
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The house you live in,
what's it made of?
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Wood, but being inside,
the coating is less likely
to break down.
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But the outside wood
on our houses, our porches,
our decks,
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this is all treated
with CCA,
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same as the play gym
equipment, right, doctor?
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Most of it is, yes.
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So basically, we're all
living in death traps
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according to your
medical opinion.
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We can't rule it out.
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Overall, I think
he came off well
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and it was
a good first day.
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We still obviously have
big problems on causation,
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but I think
the jury is with us.
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They definitely are.
I was watching their faces.
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What happens next?
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They'll put up Feldman
from the EPA.
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Lindsay, are you ready?
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Totally.
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This guy is tough --
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he's got experience
as a witness,
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and he's not afraid to go
right back at the lawyer.
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I'm ready.
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If we do damage here,
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our chances become
very good.
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Do we testify?
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We've decided to hold you
for rebuttal.
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We want your testimony
to come
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as close to the end
as possible.
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Our goal is for the jury
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to be thinking of a family
in that room,
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not just chemicals
and a bunch of scientists.
301
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But your feeling is
it's going well so far?
302
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I think
it's going quite well,
303
00:12:12,966 --> 00:12:14,535
but...
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their big gun comes next.
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You okay?
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Yeah, yeah,
I'm just, uh,
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just thinking.
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Your cross on the doctor?
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I've got to get him,
Bobby.
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If -- if I don't
get him...
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You will.
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You will.
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First of all,
whether a district attorney
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thinks
a witness lied or not,
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that has no relevance.
316
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It does to me.
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It's the prerogative
of the jury
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to weigh his credibility.
They did so.
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Mr. Stone,
your client lied.
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00:13:18,198 --> 00:13:20,033
A man is serving
a life sentence,
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in part,
because of that lie.
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Allow me to be
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a little bit uncomfortable
with that.
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Okay, Ms. Gamble,
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I'll put myself in your shoes
and feel your discomfort.
326
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Now you put yourself
in mine.
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00:13:31,945 --> 00:13:34,180
Why in God's name
would I ever agree
328
00:13:34,214 --> 00:13:36,449
to let Kyle Barrett take
a lie detector?
329
00:13:36,482 --> 00:13:38,619
How about simple justice?
330
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I was away last week.
331
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Did the system suddenly
become about that?
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I don't find cynicism
persuasive.
333
00:13:45,125 --> 00:13:47,894
Well, idealism can be
pretty incredible, as well.
334
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I will not let my client
335
00:13:50,163 --> 00:13:52,899
expose himself to possible
perjury charges...
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00:13:52,933 --> 00:13:54,635
I will grant him immunity
on that.
337
00:13:54,668 --> 00:13:57,337
Nor will I advise him
to help undo the conviction
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of his sister's killer.
339
00:13:58,972 --> 00:14:02,075
Mr. Stone,
I won't sit quiet on this.
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00:14:02,108 --> 00:14:04,110
Please.
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00:14:04,144 --> 00:14:06,146
What are you going to do?
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The Environmental
Protection Agency
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id extensive testing on CCA
throughout the '80s.
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We continue to test it,
345
00:14:17,658 --> 00:14:19,660
and we have
consistently found
346
00:14:19,693 --> 00:14:22,629
that it does not pose
an unreasonable risk
347
00:14:22,663 --> 00:14:25,498
to either children or adults.
348
00:14:25,532 --> 00:14:27,968
But with the possibility
of a risk,
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00:14:28,001 --> 00:14:30,370
shouldn't the EPA
do something?
350
00:14:30,403 --> 00:14:31,638
We have.
351
00:14:31,672 --> 00:14:34,240
The EPA developed
a warning program
352
00:14:34,274 --> 00:14:37,210
which requires retailers
to issue advisories
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00:14:37,243 --> 00:14:40,113
that CCA poses
potential hazards.
354
00:14:40,146 --> 00:14:43,416
Their contention that
we have done nothing here
355
00:14:43,449 --> 00:14:45,118
is false.
356
00:14:45,151 --> 00:14:47,120
Well, I think
their main contention is
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00:14:47,153 --> 00:14:48,589
you haven't done enough.
358
00:14:48,622 --> 00:14:51,525
We have federal insecticide
laws to deal with.
359
00:14:51,558 --> 00:14:53,660
Under the law,
we have to weigh
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00:14:53,694 --> 00:14:56,129
the potential adverse effects
of a chemical
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00:14:56,162 --> 00:15:00,000
against the economic and social
benefits and costs.
362
00:15:00,033 --> 00:15:04,170
With CCA, wood lasts
up to five times longer.
363
00:15:04,204 --> 00:15:07,340
Now, this represents
a huge benefit to schools
364
00:15:07,373 --> 00:15:10,443
who could never
afford playgrounds otherwise,
365
00:15:10,476 --> 00:15:13,079
to poor communities
who could never build them
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00:15:13,113 --> 00:15:14,548
without the preservative.
367
00:15:14,581 --> 00:15:16,550
But with the chance
they cause cancer,
368
00:15:16,583 --> 00:15:18,552
do we want
schools building them?
369
00:15:18,585 --> 00:15:22,022
Well, if it really
caused cancer, of course not,
370
00:15:22,055 --> 00:15:25,025
but to date there is
no conclusive evidence
371
00:15:25,058 --> 00:15:27,460
that exposure to CCA
causes cancer
372
00:15:27,493 --> 00:15:29,563
or any neurological
side effects.
373
00:15:29,596 --> 00:15:31,197
There just isn't.
374
00:15:31,231 --> 00:15:33,066
Are there any
conclusive studies to show
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00:15:33,099 --> 00:15:34,434
that it's safe?
376
00:15:34,467 --> 00:15:38,304
No, nor are there
with most food preservatives.
377
00:15:38,338 --> 00:15:41,274
Should the FDA
ban potato chips?
378
00:15:41,307 --> 00:15:43,276
Potato chips don't contain
a pesticide.
379
00:15:43,309 --> 00:15:45,478
The pesticide is coated.
380
00:15:45,512 --> 00:15:47,413
It is sealed, counsel.
381
00:15:47,447 --> 00:15:49,750
What if the seal
doesn't work?
382
00:15:49,783 --> 00:15:52,218
You're aware
of Dr. Stilwell's study
383
00:15:52,252 --> 00:15:54,320
showing the arsenic
is leaching
384
00:15:54,354 --> 00:15:56,256
from this playground equipment
into the soil?
385
00:15:56,289 --> 00:15:58,759
That's one study.
The EPA has asked
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00:15:58,792 --> 00:16:00,761
to see the data
supporting it.
387
00:16:00,794 --> 00:16:02,328
Until we review it,
388
00:16:02,362 --> 00:16:04,598
we can't attach
any scientific credibility.
389
00:16:04,631 --> 00:16:06,466
The State of California does.
390
00:16:06,499 --> 00:16:08,502
They banned these
wooden play gyms from schools
391
00:16:08,535 --> 00:16:10,470
unless they're re-coated
every other year
392
00:16:10,504 --> 00:16:12,506
out of fear that the children
could be poisoned.
393
00:16:12,539 --> 00:16:15,075
Many scientists feel that
that was an overreaction.
394
00:16:15,108 --> 00:16:17,043
In 1997, a group
of physicians
395
00:16:17,077 --> 00:16:20,346
and scientists
informed the EPA
396
00:16:20,380 --> 00:16:22,616
that wood preservatives
constituted a health threat
397
00:16:22,649 --> 00:16:24,150
to this country and --
398
00:16:24,184 --> 00:16:26,252
Yes, and conservationists
lobby us
399
00:16:26,286 --> 00:16:28,321
on behalf
of the rain forest.
400
00:16:28,354 --> 00:16:31,625
But without these preservatives,
more trees would be cut down.
401
00:16:31,658 --> 00:16:33,794
So kill a child,
save a tree?
402
00:16:33,827 --> 00:16:35,095
Objection.
403
00:16:35,128 --> 00:16:36,496
Sustained.
404
00:16:36,530 --> 00:16:38,498
You talked about the EPA
requiring advisories
405
00:16:38,532 --> 00:16:40,801
warning that CCA poses
a potential health risk.
406
00:16:40,834 --> 00:16:42,503
-Yes.
-Actually, that was
407
00:16:42,536 --> 00:16:44,805
a voluntary program,
wasn't it, Dr. Feldman?
408
00:16:44,838 --> 00:16:47,440
If the wood industry didn't
want to issue the advisories,
409
00:16:47,473 --> 00:16:48,775
they didn't have to,
and most of them still don't,
410
00:16:48,809 --> 00:16:50,410
right, doctor?
411
00:16:50,443 --> 00:16:54,380
This wasn't a situation
where a mandate was warranted.
412
00:16:54,414 --> 00:16:56,282
The truth is
you were all set
413
00:16:56,316 --> 00:16:58,519
to issue a mandate here
when the wood manufacturers
414
00:16:58,552 --> 00:17:01,121
suddenly lobbied Congress
to get you to back off.
415
00:17:01,154 --> 00:17:02,789
I don't know anything
about that.
416
00:17:02,823 --> 00:17:05,125
And isn't it true
the EPA also backed off
417
00:17:05,158 --> 00:17:07,828
requiring further studies
when the chemical industry
418
00:17:07,861 --> 00:17:11,097
gave $4 million in campaign
contributions to congressmen
419
00:17:11,131 --> 00:17:12,398
to lean on you?
420
00:17:12,432 --> 00:17:14,568
The EPA has never
been bought, counsel,
421
00:17:14,601 --> 00:17:15,836
I assure you.
422
00:17:15,869 --> 00:17:18,572
I show you the EPA's
1981 position paper
423
00:17:18,605 --> 00:17:20,574
regarding inorganic
arsenicals,
424
00:17:20,607 --> 00:17:23,510
and I ask you to read
the highlighted paragraph.
425
00:17:25,445 --> 00:17:29,382
All this basically says
is we don't know.
426
00:17:29,415 --> 00:17:30,851
You don't know.
427
00:17:30,884 --> 00:17:34,420
That same paper cites
a 1973 study which associates
428
00:17:34,454 --> 00:17:37,558
arsenic-tainted milk
with severe retardation,
429
00:17:37,591 --> 00:17:40,694
lower I. Q. s,
and abnormal EEG findings.
430
00:17:40,727 --> 00:17:43,429
That was a study
of Japanese babies.
431
00:17:43,463 --> 00:17:45,632
You don't count Japan?
432
00:17:47,868 --> 00:17:49,836
What else doesn't
the EPA know, doctor,
433
00:17:49,870 --> 00:17:52,305
-and when did they not know it?
-Objection.
434
00:17:52,338 --> 00:17:54,140
Withdrawn.
In 1996, the EPA
435
00:17:54,174 --> 00:17:56,710
failed to warn over a million
power plant employees
436
00:17:56,743 --> 00:17:59,846
-that they were at risk
for mercury poisoning.
-Objection.
437
00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:02,315
Because the coal lobby pressured
you, you backed off there.
438
00:18:02,348 --> 00:18:04,317
-Objection. Relevance.
-Goes to pattern.
439
00:18:04,350 --> 00:18:05,852
They were being bought then
just like they're being
bought now.
440
00:18:05,886 --> 00:18:07,253
-Objection!
-Objection!
441
00:18:07,287 --> 00:18:08,354
Overruled.
442
00:18:08,388 --> 00:18:09,355
You lay off chemical companies,
443
00:18:09,389 --> 00:18:10,356
don't you, Dr. Feldman?
444
00:18:10,390 --> 00:18:12,893
That is absolutely
not true.
445
00:18:12,926 --> 00:18:15,729
From 1989 to 1998,
446
00:18:15,762 --> 00:18:17,363
of all the hundreds,
447
00:18:17,397 --> 00:18:19,733
if not thousands
of pesticides out there,
448
00:18:19,766 --> 00:18:22,703
now many did you get
neurotoxicity data on?
449
00:18:22,736 --> 00:18:24,638
I don't know
the exact number.
450
00:18:24,671 --> 00:18:26,740
I do. It's nine.
451
00:18:26,773 --> 00:18:28,875
Of the hundreds,
if not thousands
452
00:18:28,909 --> 00:18:32,378
of industrial chemicals,
how many did you ask for
453
00:18:32,412 --> 00:18:34,748
and get
the neurotoxicity data on?
454
00:18:34,781 --> 00:18:36,482
Again, I don't know
the number.
455
00:18:36,517 --> 00:18:39,219
It's three.
456
00:18:39,252 --> 00:18:41,354
You guys are
quite the watchdogs.
457
00:18:41,387 --> 00:18:42,756
-Objection!
-Objection!
458
00:18:42,789 --> 00:18:44,490
Withdrawn.
Nothing further.
459
00:19:00,974 --> 00:19:03,677
Of the five names
you couldn't identify,
460
00:19:03,710 --> 00:19:06,780
two were maiden names
of married women you did I. D.
461
00:19:06,813 --> 00:19:08,515
One was a pool contractor.
462
00:19:08,549 --> 00:19:10,250
Oh, yeah,
we were thinking
463
00:19:10,283 --> 00:19:12,252
about installing a pool
last year.
464
00:19:12,285 --> 00:19:13,787
One we're still checking,
465
00:19:13,820 --> 00:19:17,257
and one was a psychiatrist --
Dr. Bernard White.
466
00:19:17,290 --> 00:19:18,525
A psychiatrist?
467
00:19:18,559 --> 00:19:20,527
Was your wife
seeing a shrink?
468
00:19:20,561 --> 00:19:22,395
Not that I'm aware of.
469
00:19:22,428 --> 00:19:25,699
He's in Cambridge.
I'll pay him a visit.
470
00:19:28,334 --> 00:19:31,605
Listen, on the other...
471
00:19:31,638 --> 00:19:34,708
I understand
if you want to replace me,
472
00:19:34,741 --> 00:19:36,710
I'd even recommend it.
473
00:19:36,743 --> 00:19:39,713
Can you recommend someone
as good
474
00:19:39,746 --> 00:19:41,715
who will try as hard?
475
00:19:41,748 --> 00:19:45,952
Look, Bobby, I'm glad
you think you screwed up.
476
00:19:45,986 --> 00:19:47,353
It's my insurance policy
477
00:19:47,387 --> 00:19:49,890
that you'll keep trying.
478
00:19:49,923 --> 00:19:52,458
I'll keep trying.
479
00:19:52,492 --> 00:19:54,761
You don't have to worry
about that.
480
00:19:56,496 --> 00:19:58,599
I'm not.
481
00:20:03,770 --> 00:20:06,907
They told us it really
wasn't that uncommon
482
00:20:06,940 --> 00:20:09,009
for a boy to have seizures.
483
00:20:09,042 --> 00:20:11,745
Did they test him
for epilepsy?
484
00:20:11,778 --> 00:20:13,747
Oh, they tested him
for everything.
485
00:20:13,780 --> 00:20:16,650
They finally settled on
a toxin getting to the brain.
486
00:20:16,683 --> 00:20:18,018
And what did you do?
487
00:20:18,051 --> 00:20:20,420
There was nothing
we could do.
488
00:20:20,453 --> 00:20:22,488
We got him on medication,
489
00:20:22,523 --> 00:20:25,491
which controlled
the seizures.
490
00:20:25,526 --> 00:20:29,930
We thought, you know,
that was that.
491
00:20:29,963 --> 00:20:33,934
Then, uh...
492
00:20:33,967 --> 00:20:35,802
Sarah started falling down.
493
00:20:35,836 --> 00:20:37,938
What do you mean
she started falling down?
494
00:20:37,971 --> 00:20:41,775
She, um...
495
00:20:41,808 --> 00:20:43,644
She would trip.
496
00:20:43,677 --> 00:20:45,612
If she tried
to play hopscotch,
497
00:20:45,646 --> 00:20:47,447
she'd fall
flat on her face.
498
00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:50,517
They thought maybe she had
cerebral palsy.
499
00:20:50,551 --> 00:20:53,419
And then things started
to happen with Everett?
500
00:20:55,556 --> 00:20:56,990
He can't read.
501
00:20:57,023 --> 00:20:59,893
He will never be
in a normal class.
502
00:20:59,926 --> 00:21:04,798
He'll never go to college.
503
00:21:04,831 --> 00:21:06,466
And you knew.
504
00:21:06,499 --> 00:21:07,801
-Objection.
-I have a boy
505
00:21:07,834 --> 00:21:09,369
whose body convulses,
506
00:21:09,402 --> 00:21:11,071
with foam coming
out of his mouth,
507
00:21:11,104 --> 00:21:13,073
and a daughter who keeps
falling down
508
00:21:13,106 --> 00:21:14,641
and a son who can't read,
509
00:21:14,675 --> 00:21:16,910
and you people have known
for 30 years.
510
00:21:16,943 --> 00:21:18,545
Your honor.
511
00:21:18,579 --> 00:21:19,913
Mrs. Jamison,
please just answer
512
00:21:19,946 --> 00:21:21,615
the questions you're asked.
513
00:21:26,687 --> 00:21:29,556
What was the question?
514
00:21:29,590 --> 00:21:31,391
The question was,
515
00:21:31,424 --> 00:21:33,827
when your son
started having seizures,
516
00:21:33,860 --> 00:21:36,396
didn't the doctors say
it could've come
517
00:21:36,429 --> 00:21:38,665
from a whole host
of chemicals,
518
00:21:38,699 --> 00:21:41,935
including the cleaning solutions
you kept in the house?
519
00:21:41,968 --> 00:21:43,837
And then I got rid
of all that stuff.
520
00:21:43,870 --> 00:21:46,573
Do you live near
high power lines?
521
00:21:46,607 --> 00:21:48,842
-Yes, but --
-And did the doctors
inquire about them?
522
00:21:48,875 --> 00:21:51,411
Yes. They ruled them out
as a cause.
523
00:21:51,444 --> 00:21:53,113
Did you and your husband
524
00:21:53,146 --> 00:21:54,981
undergo any genetic testing?
525
00:21:55,015 --> 00:21:57,584
No.
526
00:21:57,618 --> 00:21:59,586
I see.
527
00:21:59,620 --> 00:22:01,588
Where is
the play equipment today?
528
00:22:01,622 --> 00:22:03,456
It's still
in our backyard.
529
00:22:03,489 --> 00:22:05,959
You think this equipment
is harming your children,
530
00:22:05,992 --> 00:22:07,594
and it's still there?
531
00:22:07,628 --> 00:22:09,362
We don't let them
play on it.
532
00:22:09,395 --> 00:22:11,464
Well, why not get rid
of it altogether?
533
00:22:11,497 --> 00:22:13,800
-Our lawyers told us not to,
not until we --
-Objection.
534
00:22:13,834 --> 00:22:15,702
I need to advise my client that
that is privileged.
535
00:22:15,736 --> 00:22:17,137
She does not need
to answer that.
536
00:22:17,170 --> 00:22:19,372
It's also work product.
537
00:22:19,405 --> 00:22:20,807
You kept it as evidence
for your lawsuit?
538
00:22:20,841 --> 00:22:21,908
Objection.
539
00:22:21,942 --> 00:22:23,443
Sustained.
540
00:22:23,476 --> 00:22:25,712
Just one last question,
Mrs. Jamison.
541
00:22:25,746 --> 00:22:28,148
Did any doctor
who treated your children
542
00:22:28,181 --> 00:22:29,983
conclude that their problems
543
00:22:30,016 --> 00:22:32,719
came from the CCA
in the play equipment?
544
00:22:32,753 --> 00:22:35,055
Did any of them
conclude that?
545
00:22:36,757 --> 00:22:37,924
No.
546
00:22:40,193 --> 00:22:41,962
Thank you, Mrs. Jamison.
547
00:22:59,079 --> 00:23:01,447
We really appreciate you
taking the time.
548
00:23:01,481 --> 00:23:03,717
Sure. But as I told you
on the phone,
549
00:23:03,750 --> 00:23:05,719
I'm not comfortable
revealing information
550
00:23:05,752 --> 00:23:07,153
about my patients.
551
00:23:07,187 --> 00:23:08,589
I understand.
552
00:23:08,622 --> 00:23:10,456
You did treat
Mrs. Wallace, then.
553
00:23:10,490 --> 00:23:14,060
I know the identity
of my patients
554
00:23:14,094 --> 00:23:16,162
aren't protected
by privilege, Mr. Donnell.
555
00:23:16,196 --> 00:23:19,700
Nevertheless, I am
reluctant to reveal them.
556
00:23:19,733 --> 00:23:22,468
But as you said yourself,
that isn't privileged.
557
00:23:22,503 --> 00:23:23,904
And even if it were,
558
00:23:23,937 --> 00:23:26,640
it wouldn't survive
the death of the patient.
559
00:23:26,673 --> 00:23:28,474
Mr. Donnell,
I know what the law is.
560
00:23:28,509 --> 00:23:29,910
I know you can subpoena
my records.
561
00:23:29,943 --> 00:23:31,812
Hence, I agreed
to this meeting.
562
00:23:31,845 --> 00:23:35,716
Could you tell us what
you were treating her for?
563
00:23:35,749 --> 00:23:39,686
Anxiety, sleepless
and depression.
564
00:23:40,921 --> 00:23:43,156
Did you say depression?
565
00:23:43,189 --> 00:23:46,827
-Yes.
-You know that we argued
that she killed herself.
566
00:23:46,860 --> 00:23:48,995
Yes, I read the papers.
567
00:23:49,029 --> 00:23:50,931
Well, why didn't you
come forward?
568
00:23:50,964 --> 00:23:52,766
The prosecution was claiming
she wasn't suicidal.
569
00:23:52,799 --> 00:23:54,935
You had information
that she was depressed.
570
00:23:54,968 --> 00:23:58,038
Mr. Donnell, 80%
of my patients are depressed.
571
00:23:58,071 --> 00:23:59,906
They don't typically
take their own lives.
572
00:23:59,940 --> 00:24:01,908
But sometimes they do.
573
00:24:01,942 --> 00:24:04,044
-How could you sit on this?
-I sat on this
because I don't believe
574
00:24:04,077 --> 00:24:07,548
that Karen was suicidal.
Secondly, if psychiatrists
575
00:24:07,581 --> 00:24:09,583
start speaking posthumously
on their patients
576
00:24:09,616 --> 00:24:11,518
that could have a chilling
effect on treatment.
577
00:24:11,552 --> 00:24:13,720
Most people want
their record sealed,
578
00:24:13,754 --> 00:24:15,589
before their
death and after.
579
00:24:15,622 --> 00:24:17,190
We had a man charged
with murder here.
580
00:24:17,223 --> 00:24:18,892
The jury convicted him
581
00:24:18,925 --> 00:24:21,061
because they didn't believe
the idea she was depressed.
582
00:24:21,094 --> 00:24:22,228
Don't yell at me.
583
00:24:22,262 --> 00:24:24,030
-I will yell at you!
-Bobby.
584
00:24:24,064 --> 00:24:25,999
-What the hell
were you thinking?
-All right.
585
00:24:26,032 --> 00:24:27,968
-I was thinking
she was probably murdered.
-Well, you were wrong!
586
00:24:28,001 --> 00:24:29,102
Bobby.
587
00:24:35,809 --> 00:24:37,177
We need this guy.
588
00:24:42,916 --> 00:24:45,151
Can we get those records?
589
00:24:45,185 --> 00:24:47,187
Please.
590
00:24:53,293 --> 00:24:55,829
We live
in a land of chemicals,
591
00:24:55,862 --> 00:24:58,865
and it's
pretty out of control.
592
00:24:58,899 --> 00:25:01,301
There's an epidemic
of autism in California.
593
00:25:01,334 --> 00:25:05,038
It's up over 200%
in the last 13 years.
594
00:25:05,071 --> 00:25:06,607
In New York,
595
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,309
learning disabilities
are up 55%.
596
00:25:09,342 --> 00:25:11,144
The likely culprit --
597
00:25:11,177 --> 00:25:12,746
chemicals.
598
00:25:12,779 --> 00:25:15,148
And we can't expect
the private industries
599
00:25:15,181 --> 00:25:17,250
to monitor themselves.
600
00:25:17,283 --> 00:25:19,653
The market
is just too competitive,
601
00:25:19,686 --> 00:25:21,555
just like
in everything else.
602
00:25:21,588 --> 00:25:22,923
If the wood manufacturers
603
00:25:22,956 --> 00:25:25,559
can make these play gyms
and deck porches better --
604
00:25:25,592 --> 00:25:27,561
more profitable --
they will,
605
00:25:27,594 --> 00:25:30,764
and they won't worry
about the toxic side effects,
606
00:25:30,797 --> 00:25:34,134
and that's why
we need the EPA.
607
00:25:34,167 --> 00:25:36,837
Just like, as the airlines
become more competitive
608
00:25:36,870 --> 00:25:40,173
and cut back on their mechanics
to increase profits,
609
00:25:40,206 --> 00:25:42,676
we need the FAA
to step in and protect us,
610
00:25:42,709 --> 00:25:45,111
so, too,
do we need the EPA
611
00:25:45,145 --> 00:25:48,281
to fulfill its duty
to the public.
612
00:25:48,314 --> 00:25:51,117
And the fact is
they're not.
613
00:25:51,151 --> 00:25:54,855
They've known for decades
it could be dangerous,
614
00:25:54,888 --> 00:25:59,259
and they have done nothing.
615
00:25:59,292 --> 00:26:03,263
They are still doing nothing.
616
00:26:03,296 --> 00:26:05,331
Why?
617
00:26:05,365 --> 00:26:09,069
In part because of politics.
618
00:26:09,102 --> 00:26:11,805
Campaign contributions
from chemical companies
619
00:26:11,838 --> 00:26:16,076
and wood manufacturers have
resulted in successful lobbying
620
00:26:16,109 --> 00:26:19,646
to get the EPA to back off,
and children
621
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:23,650
like the Jamison kids
are getting severely hurt.
622
00:26:23,684 --> 00:26:26,086
The EPA throws its hands up
and says,
623
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,354
"Hey, you can't prove it.
We don't know for sure.
624
00:26:28,388 --> 00:26:30,824
We don't have the data.
The tests are incomplete."
625
00:26:30,857 --> 00:26:32,926
Well, why aren't they
ordering those tests?
626
00:26:32,959 --> 00:26:34,895
Why aren't they
demanding data?
627
00:26:34,928 --> 00:26:37,163
They have restricted
the use of CCA
628
00:26:37,197 --> 00:26:42,168
around farm animals
but not around children.
629
00:26:42,202 --> 00:26:44,170
Is it because
the farming industry
630
00:26:44,204 --> 00:26:48,174
has a lobby
but children don't?
631
00:26:48,208 --> 00:26:50,677
What is going on?
632
00:26:50,711 --> 00:26:53,313
They've known for decades
633
00:26:53,346 --> 00:26:55,215
that there's arsenic
in that wood.
634
00:26:55,248 --> 00:26:57,784
It gets out, it gets ingested,
it gets inhaled,
635
00:26:57,818 --> 00:26:59,786
and they haven't
done so much
636
00:26:59,820 --> 00:27:02,222
as to alert the public
of the risk.
637
00:27:02,255 --> 00:27:04,791
And that's all
it would have taken here.
638
00:27:04,825 --> 00:27:06,292
A simple warning,
639
00:27:06,326 --> 00:27:09,295
and the Jamisons never would
have put that play gym
640
00:27:09,329 --> 00:27:10,997
in their backyard.
641
00:27:13,099 --> 00:27:16,069
You heard their star witness
Dr. Feldman.
642
00:27:16,102 --> 00:27:21,975
He said EPA decisions are made
on a cost-benefit analysis.
643
00:27:22,008 --> 00:27:24,344
We need you to put
a big price tag
644
00:27:24,377 --> 00:27:25,979
on their failures.
645
00:27:26,012 --> 00:27:28,348
We need you
to make it cost-efficient
646
00:27:28,381 --> 00:27:32,085
for them
to protect our children.
647
00:27:32,118 --> 00:27:34,988
One thing is clear --
648
00:27:35,021 --> 00:27:39,926
if you don't, they won't.
649
00:27:52,472 --> 00:27:56,442
She's right about one thing --
650
00:27:56,476 --> 00:28:00,714
we do live
in an age of chemicals.
651
00:28:00,747 --> 00:28:03,984
Want to kill the mosquito
with the Nile virus?
652
00:28:04,017 --> 00:28:05,351
Chemicals.
653
00:28:05,385 --> 00:28:08,454
Don't want to get botulism
from your canned soup?
654
00:28:08,488 --> 00:28:11,191
Chemicals. Preservatives.
655
00:28:11,224 --> 00:28:14,127
And I suppose the EPA
656
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,129
could demand proof
that every one
657
00:28:16,162 --> 00:28:18,398
of those chemicals
is completely safe
658
00:28:18,431 --> 00:28:20,200
before allowing their usage,
659
00:28:20,233 --> 00:28:24,004
and people would die
of contaminants and viruses
660
00:28:24,037 --> 00:28:27,841
and bacteria --
many, many more people.
661
00:28:27,874 --> 00:28:30,276
Almost every consumer product
662
00:28:30,310 --> 00:28:34,014
poses some
unproven health risk.
663
00:28:34,047 --> 00:28:36,883
Should the EPA ban them all?
664
00:28:36,917 --> 00:28:39,419
They studied CCA in wood.
665
00:28:39,452 --> 00:28:42,155
The EPA appointed a special
scientific advisory panel
666
00:28:42,188 --> 00:28:43,757
to look at this.
667
00:28:43,790 --> 00:28:46,159
Their recommendation
back to the EPA
668
00:28:46,192 --> 00:28:48,161
was not to ban the substance.
669
00:28:48,194 --> 00:28:49,830
Now, the plaintiffs
670
00:28:49,863 --> 00:28:52,766
may not like
those scientific findings,
671
00:28:52,799 --> 00:28:54,768
they may choose
to disagree,
672
00:28:54,801 --> 00:28:57,771
but this notion that the EPA
knew it was dangerous
673
00:28:57,804 --> 00:28:59,773
and chose to ignore the risks
674
00:28:59,806 --> 00:29:01,775
under the influence
of paid-off congressmen --
675
00:29:01,808 --> 00:29:04,410
that's as slanderous
as it is baseless.
676
00:29:04,444 --> 00:29:07,914
This is something
they are studying.
677
00:29:07,948 --> 00:29:11,184
The EPA is a government agency
doing its very best to keep up
678
00:29:11,217 --> 00:29:14,187
with this rapidly changing
scientific landscape,
679
00:29:14,220 --> 00:29:16,823
and the decisions it makes,
680
00:29:16,857 --> 00:29:20,193
they have to be made
on what is known
681
00:29:20,226 --> 00:29:22,428
as opposed to what's not.
682
00:29:22,462 --> 00:29:25,065
And today, like yesterday,
683
00:29:25,098 --> 00:29:27,167
it has not been
scientifically established
684
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,803
that CCA causes
the neurological defects
685
00:29:29,836 --> 00:29:31,337
the plaintiffs speak of.
686
00:29:31,371 --> 00:29:33,840
And even if it did,
687
00:29:33,874 --> 00:29:36,209
they have offered
no medical evidence whatsoever
688
00:29:36,242 --> 00:29:39,345
that it did so in the case
of the Jamison children.
689
00:29:39,379 --> 00:29:41,948
Their own doctor admitted
she was speculating,
690
00:29:41,982 --> 00:29:45,485
she was guessing
at what caused these injuries.
691
00:29:45,519 --> 00:29:48,388
As much as you may feel
for these children --
692
00:29:48,421 --> 00:29:53,126
and you should feel,
as should we all --
693
00:29:53,159 --> 00:29:55,562
we have to admit
that their entire case
694
00:29:55,596 --> 00:30:00,567
is based on pure speculation
695
00:30:00,601 --> 00:30:04,505
and nothing more.
696
00:30:24,490 --> 00:30:26,359
You want me to sign this?
697
00:30:26,392 --> 00:30:28,194
It's what happened,
Richard.
698
00:30:28,228 --> 00:30:30,631
An affidavit saying
I coached a witness to lie?
699
00:30:30,664 --> 00:30:31,865
It doesn't say lie.
700
00:30:31,898 --> 00:30:32,999
That's the implication.
701
00:30:33,033 --> 00:30:34,100
Richard --
702
00:30:34,134 --> 00:30:35,201
What the hell
is going on?
703
00:30:35,235 --> 00:30:36,870
We both know he lied.
704
00:30:36,903 --> 00:30:39,105
He made that stuff up about
his sister being afraid.
705
00:30:39,139 --> 00:30:41,307
Helen, what are you trying
to accomplish?
706
00:30:41,341 --> 00:30:44,077
He should get
a new trial.
707
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:48,481
I'm not signing this.
708
00:30:48,515 --> 00:30:49,950
Richard,
we can't just let --
709
00:30:49,983 --> 00:30:51,251
You're not taking me down.
710
00:30:51,284 --> 00:30:52,586
You might have some
professional death wish.
711
00:30:52,619 --> 00:30:54,154
I don't, and if you think
712
00:30:54,187 --> 00:30:55,956
that I'm going
to let you go forward --
713
00:30:55,989 --> 00:30:58,592
I was in the room.
I heard what you told him.
714
00:30:58,625 --> 00:31:01,494
I told him what his testimony
needed to accomplish.
715
00:31:01,528 --> 00:31:03,429
I never said lie.
716
00:31:03,463 --> 00:31:05,131
But that is what he did.
717
00:31:05,165 --> 00:31:06,499
You don't know that.
718
00:31:06,533 --> 00:31:09,069
Maybe he lied,
but neither of us know that.
719
00:31:09,102 --> 00:31:11,337
Maybe you can live with
this conviction. I can't.
720
00:31:14,007 --> 00:31:16,610
Well, I'll fight you
on this, Helen.
721
00:31:16,643 --> 00:31:18,945
I'll fight you
all the way.
722
00:31:20,947 --> 00:31:22,916
You know, Richard,
723
00:31:22,949 --> 00:31:25,351
it's one thing
to be competitive.
724
00:31:25,385 --> 00:31:27,921
It is another to try
and rack up convictions
725
00:31:27,954 --> 00:31:29,355
out of ambition
726
00:31:29,389 --> 00:31:32,058
with no regard
for a man's innocence.
727
00:31:32,092 --> 00:31:37,063
I don't believe
he's innocent,
728
00:31:37,097 --> 00:31:38,699
and if you go forward
729
00:31:38,732 --> 00:31:43,269
saying I coached
a witness to lie,
730
00:31:43,303 --> 00:31:46,439
your career could be over.
731
00:31:46,472 --> 00:31:51,411
Our friendship
definitely will be.
732
00:32:11,431 --> 00:32:14,568
I don't know if the jury
liked your closing, Lindsay,
733
00:32:14,601 --> 00:32:16,402
but the defense
was impressed.
734
00:32:16,436 --> 00:32:18,138
We have a new offer.
735
00:32:18,171 --> 00:32:19,573
What?
736
00:32:19,606 --> 00:32:22,509
$225,000 per child.
737
00:32:22,543 --> 00:32:24,310
That's $675,000,
738
00:32:24,344 --> 00:32:26,446
and they will
write a check right now.
739
00:32:28,448 --> 00:32:31,251
That, uh...
that beats $20,000.
740
00:32:31,284 --> 00:32:33,086
It certainly does.
741
00:32:33,119 --> 00:32:34,354
Should we take it?
742
00:32:34,387 --> 00:32:38,424
Well, it's hard
to turn that down,
743
00:32:38,458 --> 00:32:41,695
but I suspect they had
jury consultants
sitting in on the trial
744
00:32:41,728 --> 00:32:44,731
who had advised them
to settle, so I don't know.
745
00:32:44,765 --> 00:32:47,634
675.
746
00:32:47,668 --> 00:32:50,270
Could we get more?
747
00:32:50,303 --> 00:32:51,705
We could.
748
00:32:51,738 --> 00:32:54,007
We could also lose.
749
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:57,611
I think we're going
to get more.
750
00:32:57,644 --> 00:32:59,012
Why?
751
00:32:59,045 --> 00:33:01,447
I just do.
752
00:33:01,481 --> 00:33:03,650
This isn't the time
to get greedy.
753
00:33:03,684 --> 00:33:06,252
It's not about greed,
Mr. Berluti.
754
00:33:06,286 --> 00:33:08,254
Like Lindsay said,
755
00:33:08,288 --> 00:33:10,724
we want them
to fix the problem.
756
00:33:10,757 --> 00:33:15,729
Angela has intuition
about these things.
757
00:33:15,762 --> 00:33:17,731
Let's go to verdict.
758
00:33:17,764 --> 00:33:19,533
Are you sure?
759
00:33:19,566 --> 00:33:22,035
Are you?
760
00:33:22,068 --> 00:33:26,773
It's going to be more.
761
00:33:31,144 --> 00:33:33,313
It's right here --
depression.
762
00:33:33,346 --> 00:33:35,281
He wanted to prescribe
antidepressants.
763
00:33:35,315 --> 00:33:36,282
She didn't
want to take them.
764
00:33:36,316 --> 00:33:37,684
It's all right here.
765
00:33:37,718 --> 00:33:39,085
Lucy, see if we can get in
to see Judge Wolfe
766
00:33:39,119 --> 00:33:40,453
this afternoon.
This is new evidence.
767
00:33:40,486 --> 00:33:43,757
Eugene, call Helen Gamble,
tell her --
768
00:33:43,790 --> 00:33:47,060
Helen, we were
just talking about you.
769
00:33:47,093 --> 00:33:50,063
We got new evidence
on the Wallace case.
770
00:33:50,096 --> 00:33:53,567
Really? I've got some news
on that myself.
771
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:54,801
What?
772
00:33:54,835 --> 00:33:56,302
I'm convinced
773
00:33:56,336 --> 00:33:59,372
that Kyle Barrett
lied on the stand
774
00:33:59,405 --> 00:34:02,442
after being coached
by the prosecution.
775
00:34:16,156 --> 00:34:18,792
Is it a good sign,
them coming back so fast?
776
00:34:20,193 --> 00:34:23,564
No.
777
00:34:23,597 --> 00:34:26,432
Deliberations on damages
would have been lengthy.
778
00:34:26,466 --> 00:34:28,434
If they find
no liability,
779
00:34:28,468 --> 00:34:31,672
then the damages
will be moot.
780
00:34:31,705 --> 00:34:35,676
Can we still
take their offer?
781
00:34:35,709 --> 00:34:37,678
I asked.
782
00:34:37,711 --> 00:34:39,379
They laughed.
783
00:34:42,616 --> 00:34:45,586
Madam Foreperson, the jury
has rendered its verdict?
784
00:34:45,619 --> 00:34:47,253
We have, your honor.
785
00:34:47,287 --> 00:34:49,189
What say you?
786
00:34:49,222 --> 00:34:51,324
In the matter
of Steven Jamison et al.
787
00:34:51,357 --> 00:34:53,694
Vs. The environmental
protection agency,
788
00:34:53,727 --> 00:34:56,697
we find in favor
of the plaintiff
789
00:34:56,730 --> 00:34:59,533
and order the defendant
790
00:34:59,566 --> 00:35:02,468
to pay damages
in the amount
791
00:35:02,503 --> 00:35:04,437
of $72 million.
792
00:35:04,470 --> 00:35:08,208
(crowd murmuring)
793
00:35:15,381 --> 00:35:16,917
Oh, my God. Oh, my God.
794
00:35:16,950 --> 00:35:20,721
ANGELA: Oh, my God.
Oh, my God.
795
00:35:29,930 --> 00:35:30,931
(judge pounds gavel)
796
00:35:30,964 --> 00:35:32,899
Your honor --
your honor --
797
00:35:32,933 --> 00:35:35,235
Settle down. This court
is still in session.
798
00:35:35,268 --> 00:35:37,638
Your honor, the defense
moves to remit the award.
799
00:35:37,671 --> 00:35:39,606
We also move that
the verdict be set aside.
800
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:40,874
Opposed.
801
00:35:40,907 --> 00:35:42,776
I will see counsel
in chambers immediately.
802
00:35:42,809 --> 00:35:44,511
(judge pounds gavel)
803
00:35:44,545 --> 00:35:46,680
What's going on?
804
00:35:46,713 --> 00:35:49,516
They're looking to strike
the award as excessive.
805
00:35:49,550 --> 00:35:51,184
Can they do that?
806
00:35:51,217 --> 00:35:52,485
Well, $72 million
is a lot.
807
00:35:52,519 --> 00:35:54,354
But that's
what the jury found.
808
00:35:54,387 --> 00:35:55,889
Let us talk to the judge
809
00:35:55,922 --> 00:35:59,726
and we'll see
what's going on, okay?
810
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:01,394
JIMMY: It's all right.
811
00:36:02,729 --> 00:36:06,299
The number alone tells you
the jury was off-base.
812
00:36:06,332 --> 00:36:08,234
The fact that they
deliberated for an hour --
813
00:36:08,268 --> 00:36:09,803
Maybe it has something
to do with the merits.
814
00:36:09,836 --> 00:36:11,204
All right.
815
00:36:11,237 --> 00:36:13,840
I'm granting defense's
motion to remit.
816
00:36:13,874 --> 00:36:17,310
The knockdown number
is $135,000 per child.
817
00:36:19,279 --> 00:36:20,380
What?
818
00:36:20,413 --> 00:36:23,283
You chopped it
from $72 million
819
00:36:23,316 --> 00:36:25,586
to $400,000?
820
00:36:25,619 --> 00:36:27,353
That's less
than they offered.
821
00:36:27,387 --> 00:36:29,455
I don't care. Your case was
pure speculation, counsel.
822
00:36:29,489 --> 00:36:31,357
This isn't a matter of law.
823
00:36:31,391 --> 00:36:33,627
You are substituting
your judgment for theirs.
824
00:36:33,660 --> 00:36:35,295
Which I am entitled to do
825
00:36:35,328 --> 00:36:37,664
when the verdict isn't
supported by the facts.
826
00:36:37,698 --> 00:36:39,299
We have a right
to a new trial.
827
00:36:39,332 --> 00:36:41,902
We do not
have to eat your number.
828
00:36:41,935 --> 00:36:43,403
If you take a new trial,
829
00:36:43,436 --> 00:36:45,238
you'll be right back
before me, Ms. Frutt,
830
00:36:45,271 --> 00:36:49,242
and any number over $135,000,
I'll remit again,
831
00:36:49,275 --> 00:36:50,611
if you're lucky
to win next time.
832
00:36:50,644 --> 00:36:52,245
There's no guarantee
the jury will be
833
00:36:52,278 --> 00:36:54,380
as stupid as this one.
834
00:36:54,414 --> 00:36:55,749
And if you do win, I might
remit the next knockdown
835
00:36:55,782 --> 00:36:59,586
to $75,000.
836
00:36:59,620 --> 00:37:03,023
I strongly suggest that
you accept this proposal.
837
00:37:03,056 --> 00:37:05,759
This isn't right.
838
00:37:05,792 --> 00:37:08,328
This isn't right.
839
00:37:08,361 --> 00:37:10,697
Meet with your clients,
840
00:37:10,731 --> 00:37:14,467
then notify my clerk
of your acceptance.
841
00:37:21,775 --> 00:37:23,810
Given this newly discovered
evidence
842
00:37:23,844 --> 00:37:25,612
concerning
the victim's depression,
843
00:37:25,646 --> 00:37:29,449
coupled with this revelation
by the district attorney
844
00:37:29,482 --> 00:37:31,718
regarding the veracity
of their lead witness,
845
00:37:31,752 --> 00:37:32,986
the interests of justice
846
00:37:33,019 --> 00:37:35,722
demand that the verdict
be overturned.
847
00:37:35,756 --> 00:37:39,626
In the alternative, the court
should order a new trial.
848
00:37:39,660 --> 00:37:41,995
I take strong exception
to the suggestion
849
00:37:42,028 --> 00:37:43,897
that I coached
a witness to lie.
850
00:37:43,930 --> 00:37:45,999
There's no evidence
the witness did lie,
851
00:37:46,032 --> 00:37:47,000
only opinion.
852
00:37:47,033 --> 00:37:48,802
Coming from Helen Gamble.
853
00:37:48,835 --> 00:37:50,571
Helen Gamble's opinion
carries no legal relevance.
854
00:37:50,604 --> 00:37:51,905
I assure you
855
00:37:51,938 --> 00:37:54,374
she has no credibility
within our own department.
856
00:37:54,407 --> 00:37:55,576
Why, because
she's honest?
857
00:37:55,609 --> 00:37:57,010
JUDGE WOLFE: All right.
858
00:37:57,043 --> 00:37:59,012
Your honor, this was not
our lead witness.
859
00:37:59,045 --> 00:38:01,548
This was a witness.
860
00:38:01,582 --> 00:38:03,483
Who supplied motive.
861
00:38:03,517 --> 00:38:05,385
You challenged
his truthfulness at trial.
862
00:38:05,418 --> 00:38:06,653
You have nothing new
863
00:38:06,687 --> 00:38:08,522
with which
to challenge it here.
864
00:38:08,555 --> 00:38:11,558
As for the doctor's report,
I spoke to Dr. White.
865
00:38:11,592 --> 00:38:13,560
He did not consider
Karen Wallace
866
00:38:13,594 --> 00:38:15,495
to be suicidal.
867
00:38:15,529 --> 00:38:18,398
The prosecution
portrayed her as optimistic.
868
00:38:18,431 --> 00:38:20,033
Which you also challenged
at trial.
869
00:38:20,066 --> 00:38:22,736
Not with these medical
reports, we didn't.
870
00:38:22,769 --> 00:38:25,338
All right. Ms. Gamble
brought her concerns
871
00:38:25,371 --> 00:38:27,708
regarding this witness
to the court's attention.
872
00:38:27,741 --> 00:38:29,475
As I told her,
873
00:38:29,510 --> 00:38:30,944
it is the jury's function
874
00:38:30,977 --> 00:38:32,979
to weigh
Mr. Barrett's credibility,
875
00:38:33,013 --> 00:38:34,114
not hers.
876
00:38:34,147 --> 00:38:36,983
As I go through
her affidavit,
877
00:38:37,017 --> 00:38:39,853
I don't think
Mr. Bay crossed the line.
878
00:38:39,886 --> 00:38:42,589
Lawyers prepare witnesses
all the time.
879
00:38:42,623 --> 00:38:45,892
I see no evidence
that he solicited perjury.
880
00:38:45,926 --> 00:38:48,895
As for the doctor's report,
881
00:38:48,929 --> 00:38:51,798
I find that to be relevant,
882
00:38:51,832 --> 00:38:53,800
but I am not satisfied
883
00:38:53,834 --> 00:38:56,603
that it would have resulted
in a different verdict.
884
00:38:56,637 --> 00:38:59,873
The conviction,
therefore, stands.
885
00:38:59,906 --> 00:39:02,809
Defendant's motion
for a new trial is denied,
886
00:39:02,843 --> 00:39:04,578
and we are adjourned.
887
00:39:17,490 --> 00:39:19,059
I'm not quitting.
888
00:39:22,495 --> 00:39:24,397
Well, what happens now?
889
00:39:24,430 --> 00:39:25,832
We'll go to appeals,
890
00:39:25,866 --> 00:39:28,935
challenge some
of the legal rulings.
891
00:39:30,604 --> 00:39:32,873
I'm not quitting.
892
00:39:52,793 --> 00:39:54,895
I don't understand.
893
00:39:54,928 --> 00:39:58,031
The judge
can cut back an award
894
00:39:58,064 --> 00:40:00,667
if he thinks
it's too high.
895
00:40:00,701 --> 00:40:03,069
What's the point
of a jury trial?
896
00:40:03,103 --> 00:40:05,672
We go through all that
with a jury...
897
00:40:05,706 --> 00:40:08,542
Well, judges
don't like to do it.
898
00:40:08,575 --> 00:40:11,812
With this guy,
I'm not sure.
899
00:40:11,845 --> 00:40:13,814
So if we opt
for a new trial,
900
00:40:13,847 --> 00:40:15,148
we'll get him again?
901
00:40:15,181 --> 00:40:16,783
That's what he's saying --
902
00:40:16,817 --> 00:40:19,686
that he's going
to keep it on his docket.
903
00:40:19,720 --> 00:40:22,956
It could be a year before--
904
00:40:22,989 --> 00:40:25,759
(sighs)
I'm going to be sick.
905
00:40:25,792 --> 00:40:29,129
I think --
906
00:40:29,162 --> 00:40:31,865
I think we have to eat it
at $135,000.
907
00:40:31,898 --> 00:40:33,233
If he keeps jurisdiction,
908
00:40:33,266 --> 00:40:35,602
he's told us
that we can't do better.
909
00:40:35,636 --> 00:40:37,203
We could lose.
910
00:40:37,237 --> 00:40:40,140
This is so unfair.
911
00:40:40,173 --> 00:40:42,909
We should be able
to get the money today.
912
00:40:51,718 --> 00:40:53,854
We got no choice.
913
00:40:55,722 --> 00:40:57,858
This isn't fair.
914
00:41:10,103 --> 00:41:12,906
You blind-sided
the department --
915
00:41:12,939 --> 00:41:14,908
embarrassed it.
916
00:41:14,941 --> 00:41:18,779
And now we have to deal
with a media that--
917
00:41:18,812 --> 00:41:21,582
I think that
it would be best
918
00:41:21,615 --> 00:41:23,584
if you submitted
your resignation.
919
00:41:23,617 --> 00:41:27,287
You're not getting
my resignation,
920
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:31,124
and if you fire me
over this...
921
00:41:31,157 --> 00:41:34,728
then just watch the media
come at you.
922
00:41:34,761 --> 00:41:36,630
Why are you
doing this, Helen?
923
00:41:36,663 --> 00:41:39,032
We all say better to let
a guilty man go free
924
00:41:39,065 --> 00:41:41,134
than put an innocent one
in jail.
925
00:41:41,167 --> 00:41:46,172
An innocent man is serving
a life sentence, Kate.
926
00:41:46,206 --> 00:41:49,843
If this were Texas,
he might already be dead.
927
00:41:49,876 --> 00:41:52,679
When, suddenly,
did you become the jury?
928
00:41:52,713 --> 00:41:56,216
The jury doesn't know
he passed a polygraph.
929
00:41:56,249 --> 00:41:58,852
The jury doesn't know
a witness was coached,
930
00:41:58,885 --> 00:42:01,121
that he lied.
931
00:42:01,154 --> 00:42:04,858
The jury doesn't know
a lot of stuff, Kate.
932
00:42:04,891 --> 00:42:06,793
I do.
933
00:42:06,827 --> 00:42:10,196
You're right, Helen.
934
00:42:10,230 --> 00:42:14,668
I can't retaliate over this.
935
00:42:14,701 --> 00:42:17,671
So I'm going to just
go back to my office
936
00:42:17,704 --> 00:42:20,273
and wait
for your next mistake.
937
00:42:20,306 --> 00:42:25,311
Every day
I'll just wait.
938
00:42:25,345 --> 00:42:27,981
Thanks
for dropping by, Kate.
939
00:43:04,017 --> 00:43:06,352
Okay, look...
940
00:43:06,386 --> 00:43:09,690
we had a bad day.
We'll have them again.
941
00:43:14,227 --> 00:43:16,630
We can't just sit here
and brood.
942
00:43:20,333 --> 00:43:22,035
Bec's right.
943
00:43:22,068 --> 00:43:25,639
We got to concentrate
on picking up pieces now.
944
00:43:30,977 --> 00:43:32,979
I'm going to get him.
945
00:43:35,916 --> 00:43:38,018
That judge --
946
00:43:38,051 --> 00:43:40,153
I'm going to get him.
947
00:44:06,046 --> 00:44:08,414
♪ (theme)
948
00:44:31,404 --> 00:44:33,139
You stinker!
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