Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated:
1
00:00:00,083 --> 00:00:04,166
I saw him three days before.
He came to see me in prison.
2
00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000
Downloaded from
YTS.MX
3
00:00:05,291 --> 00:00:07,750
He came at night.
That's usually not allowed.
4
00:00:07,958 --> 00:00:10,333
But they let him in,
only because it was Nemtsov.
5
00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000
Official YIFY movies site:
YTS.MX
6
00:00:10,500 --> 00:00:12,166
We discussed the spring march,
7
00:00:12,333 --> 00:00:15,500
...how we wouldn't hold it in the centre,
but in the city outskirts instead.
8
00:00:15,666 --> 00:00:19,958
He joked around, like usual.
He took photos with all of the cops.
9
00:00:20,125 --> 00:00:22,666
He was ebullient.
10
00:00:23,458 --> 00:00:27,750
That night, I arrived in Moscow
at 11:30 p.m.
11
00:00:30,083 --> 00:00:33,041
I went to Zhanna's place
and we went to sleep.
12
00:00:33,208 --> 00:00:35,541
She switches her phone off at night.
But I don't.
13
00:00:35,708 --> 00:00:41,166
About an hour later a friend called me.
We got up and ran to the bridge.
14
00:00:41,333 --> 00:00:44,041
I got there about 20 minutes later.
15
00:00:44,500 --> 00:00:47,833
Those 20 minutes
were the worst of my life.
16
00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:51,458
Mind-numbing powerlessness.
17
00:00:51,708 --> 00:00:54,000
A FILM BY MIKHAIL FISHMAN
AND VERA KRICHEVSKAYA
18
00:00:54,166 --> 00:00:58,333
When I found out
that Boris had been killed,
19
00:00:58,750 --> 00:01:01,583
...it was a shock for everyone.
20
00:01:06,750 --> 00:01:08,750
It was impossible to believe.
21
00:01:09,250 --> 00:01:15,208
It was a reality
that was impossible to accept.
22
00:01:20,416 --> 00:01:26,333
I keep thinking
that I should call him.
23
00:01:27,666 --> 00:01:30,833
Nemtsov was too vibrant
and too free...
24
00:01:33,916 --> 00:01:36,708
...to be gone forever.
25
00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:40,958
Love of power is a perversion.
26
00:01:41,125 --> 00:01:45,166
You love a woman, children,
your mother and father, right?
27
00:01:45,333 --> 00:01:47,375
Power can be respected,
or to the contrary,
28
00:01:47,541 --> 00:01:48,916
it may be trusted, or not trusted.
29
00:01:49,083 --> 00:01:50,583
BULLETS HIT ALL OF US.
30
00:01:50,750 --> 00:01:52,416
But love of power is slavery.
31
00:01:53,416 --> 00:01:55,916
This is Russia's main affliction.
32
00:02:07,583 --> 00:02:11,541
I declare the contest open...
33
00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:16,666
...and ask my grandson,
Boris Yeltsin,
34
00:02:16,833 --> 00:02:18,916
...to hand me a racket and a ball.
35
00:02:19,166 --> 00:02:21,208
This was Yeltsin's last visit.
36
00:02:21,375 --> 00:02:26,458
He had people
from his pool with him.
37
00:02:27,041 --> 00:02:31,083
Local journalists
were not as important.
38
00:02:31,500 --> 00:02:35,666
But I managed to get an interview.
39
00:02:36,416 --> 00:02:42,166
They were busy and playing tennis.
Then they suddenly shouted to me:
40
00:02:42,333 --> 00:02:43,833
"It's either now or never."
41
00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,500
Two and a half years ago you said
you had faith in Nemtsov,
42
00:02:46,666 --> 00:02:49,916
...even though he was
a very young governor.
43
00:02:50,083 --> 00:02:55,000
He said, "Yes. It's time for him
to aim for the presidency.
44
00:02:55,166 --> 00:03:00,416
He's grown so much,
he's ready for the presidency."
45
00:03:04,916 --> 00:03:10,250
I even remember the place:
A tennis court in Nizhny Novgorod.
46
00:03:10,416 --> 00:03:13,750
He said, jokingly, for the first time:
"Well, now I am at peace.
47
00:03:13,916 --> 00:03:15,375
I can retire.
48
00:03:15,916 --> 00:03:21,166
Here's the young man
who will be my successor."
49
00:03:22,208 --> 00:03:25,458
Dad liked him more than the rest.
50
00:03:26,791 --> 00:03:27,875
I don't know why.
51
00:03:28,041 --> 00:03:32,958
Maybe because they had
something in common.
52
00:03:33,125 --> 00:03:36,291
They even looked a little alike:
53
00:03:36,458 --> 00:03:40,583
...both were tall and imposing.
54
00:03:40,833 --> 00:03:48,666
Maybe also because Dad had no sons.
He saw a kindred spirit in him.
55
00:03:48,833 --> 00:03:51,833
They had common
goals and objectives.
56
00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,291
They were like-minded.
57
00:04:00,416 --> 00:04:03,375
I was also shocked,
but for a different reason.
58
00:04:03,541 --> 00:04:08,166
Not because I had glorious dreams
of moving to Moscow. Not at all.
59
00:04:08,833 --> 00:04:14,958
I knew that it would cause
trouble for the region.
60
00:04:16,041 --> 00:04:18,125
A month later he said,
"What have you done?"
61
00:04:18,291 --> 00:04:23,625
In the past, the Kremlin loved me,
but now the situation has changed.
62
00:04:23,791 --> 00:04:30,708
It's now even difficult
to do academic research, you know?
63
00:04:30,916 --> 00:04:34,791
Our future and our destiny
lie in politics now,
64
00:04:34,958 --> 00:04:37,750
...although many people
are already sick of it.
65
00:04:37,916 --> 00:04:44,708
I hope that in three or four years
the intelligentsia...
66
00:04:44,916 --> 00:04:46,208
...will get out of politics...
67
00:04:46,375 --> 00:04:52,625
...so they can all be left alone to work.
68
00:04:52,791 --> 00:04:55,791
We won't stay in politics for long.
69
00:04:55,958 --> 00:04:58,375
I mean the intelligentsia.
70
00:04:58,541 --> 00:05:03,416
Boris said, "I want to run as
Boris Yefimovich Nemtsov, Jewish.
71
00:05:03,583 --> 00:05:05,416
I don't want to run as a Russian.
72
00:05:05,583 --> 00:05:10,958
I'm Boris, son of Yefim.
And we need tolerance in society.
73
00:05:11,125 --> 00:05:14,000
I'm Jewish. If I hide it,
they'll write 'Jew' on every leaflet."
74
00:05:14,166 --> 00:05:15,666
It was quite common back then.
75
00:05:15,833 --> 00:05:18,791
A parliament that changes
after every election.
76
00:05:19,041 --> 00:05:21,041
I think it was positive.
77
00:05:21,250 --> 00:05:23,333
It's like you're with your wife,
78
00:05:23,500 --> 00:05:27,791
and one day you realize
you can't live with her anymore.
79
00:05:27,958 --> 00:05:32,750
It hasn't happened to me yet,
but I can imagine it.
80
00:05:33,041 --> 00:05:34,500
You just can't live together.
81
00:05:34,666 --> 00:05:38,708
The same thing happened
to the parliament.
82
00:05:38,958 --> 00:05:42,916
The lawmakers start hating each other.
They had to leave.
83
00:05:43,083 --> 00:05:48,916
They had the first live debate,
with two minutes each.
84
00:05:49,083 --> 00:05:51,666
There were thirteen candidates.
It was on live TV.
85
00:05:52,333 --> 00:05:53,916
After a pause, he said,
86
00:05:56,083 --> 00:06:00,541
"There are so many people here
and everyone promises something.
87
00:06:00,916 --> 00:06:03,791
They are good people. They promise
anything and everything.
88
00:06:03,958 --> 00:06:07,625
I will not promise anything.
Except one thing." He paused.
89
00:06:07,791 --> 00:06:09,375
"I will not lie."
90
00:06:10,291 --> 00:06:15,125
And he looked into the camera.
"I will not lie."
91
00:06:15,333 --> 00:06:16,416
Brilliant!
92
00:06:16,583 --> 00:06:18,875
It was autumn 1993.
93
00:06:19,041 --> 00:06:24,000
Boris Nemtsov was wearing
a black suit with white socks.
94
00:06:24,166 --> 00:06:27,583
That's my first memory of him.
95
00:06:27,750 --> 00:06:33,000
Boris was never a communist
or a Komsomol leader.
96
00:06:33,291 --> 00:06:35,666
He was always a dissident.
97
00:06:37,416 --> 00:06:44,083
He wasn't like the other
officials and factory...
98
00:06:44,333 --> 00:06:47,333
..."red directors."
99
00:06:47,500 --> 00:06:53,291
This ineffective regime is absurd.
100
00:06:53,833 --> 00:06:55,666
It is a thing of the past.
101
00:06:55,875 --> 00:06:58,125
I disliked him immensely.
102
00:06:58,791 --> 00:07:01,708
He was a bit nuts.
103
00:07:02,291 --> 00:07:05,166
He was a very popular governor.
104
00:07:05,541 --> 00:07:09,541
Very successful.
He was handsome.
105
00:07:10,875 --> 00:07:14,250
All the women in town
fell at his feet.
106
00:07:14,708 --> 00:07:17,375
Quiet! Put the camera away!
107
00:07:20,833 --> 00:07:26,958
He wore white socks
and was very handsome.
108
00:07:28,541 --> 00:07:34,958
He was energetic, impetuous.
He was fantastic.
109
00:07:35,583 --> 00:07:39,083
I became governor
because there was a revolution.
110
00:07:39,250 --> 00:07:43,541
Revolutions always let
young people rise up.
111
00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,625
People from the old system
are cast aside.
112
00:07:46,791 --> 00:07:49,416
Yeltsin was a man of
experience, an adult.
113
00:07:49,583 --> 00:07:54,208
He saw this young guy and said,
"You're very young.
114
00:07:54,625 --> 00:07:56,125
You have no life experience.
115
00:07:56,375 --> 00:07:59,166
The region is crucial to the country.
The USSR collapsed.
116
00:07:59,333 --> 00:08:04,083
There is rationing.
There's no food, no medicine.
117
00:08:04,250 --> 00:08:05,791
No fuel oil.
118
00:08:05,958 --> 00:08:09,791
I'll put you in charge
for three months.
119
00:08:09,958 --> 00:08:12,625
I'll come and check.
If you fail, I'll fire you."
120
00:08:13,541 --> 00:08:17,500
After the coup, at the request
of Yeltsin and Gorbachev,
121
00:08:17,666 --> 00:08:20,333
I became the head
of the USSR Cabinet.
122
00:08:21,666 --> 00:08:29,458
The economy had ground to a halt,
along with the rest of the state.
123
00:08:29,791 --> 00:08:33,375
Boris came to me every three days.
124
00:08:33,916 --> 00:08:37,875
He could solve a million problems
because we were friends.
125
00:08:38,041 --> 00:08:40,166
He had specific problems:
126
00:08:40,375 --> 00:08:42,916
To make the trolleybuses
in Nizhny Novgorod run.
127
00:08:43,083 --> 00:08:44,750
To keep the heat on in apartments.
128
00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:48,166
There's no petrol. No petrol.
129
00:08:48,375 --> 00:08:51,208
- Maybe there's premium?
- Premium? There's none at all.
130
00:08:51,375 --> 00:08:53,416
- Maybe it's just today?
- It's been like this for a week.
131
00:08:53,583 --> 00:08:55,833
- Let's go to a gas station.
- Without gas? There's none!
132
00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,375
- Let's go to a gas station.
- Let's go.
133
00:08:58,625 --> 00:09:01,708
- We'll go without him.
- No, he should go, too.
134
00:09:01,875 --> 00:09:04,875
Why? Might as well
take everyone then.
135
00:09:07,375 --> 00:09:09,666
We'll check.
If he lied to us, that's it.
136
00:09:09,833 --> 00:09:13,000
It was hard.
I remember them saying,
137
00:09:13,166 --> 00:09:18,458
"We have coal for X number of days,
enough food for X..."
138
00:09:19,958 --> 00:09:21,625
But he managed.
139
00:09:22,250 --> 00:09:25,208
The dog and pony show in the canteen
is better than usual today.
140
00:09:25,375 --> 00:09:29,166
Prices rose 50-fold,
but Yeltsin came.
141
00:09:29,333 --> 00:09:31,416
He said, "I want to visit
a grocery store."
142
00:09:31,583 --> 00:09:34,291
I said, "OK."
He said, "I'll choose it myself."
143
00:09:34,458 --> 00:09:38,833
We drove around until he said,
"This one."
144
00:09:39,583 --> 00:09:42,000
Of course, all the old ladies
jumped on him:
145
00:09:42,166 --> 00:09:43,791
"What have you done?" etc.
146
00:09:43,958 --> 00:09:47,958
He went to the counter.
Butter was 305 rubles.
147
00:09:48,416 --> 00:09:50,250
Before it was 5 rubles 50 kopeks.
148
00:09:50,416 --> 00:09:52,333
Yeltsin asked me,
149
00:09:53,500 --> 00:09:55,041
"Who set these prices?"
150
00:09:55,208 --> 00:09:58,041
I said, "You did."
He said, "Me?"
151
00:09:58,208 --> 00:10:01,250
Well, you let the prices rise
and this is where they rose to.
152
00:10:01,416 --> 00:10:03,083
Who is the director
of the dairy factory?
153
00:10:03,250 --> 00:10:04,166
Dokukin.
154
00:10:04,333 --> 00:10:06,291
Yeltsin says: "Fire Dokukin.
And bring the prices down."
155
00:10:06,458 --> 00:10:09,625
I said: "I get it.
156
00:10:10,208 --> 00:10:13,500
But, you know, the prices..."
157
00:10:13,666 --> 00:10:15,708
"Just fire the director."
158
00:10:16,416 --> 00:10:21,625
When Yeltsin left, I called him.
He turned out to be a decent guy.
159
00:10:21,875 --> 00:10:23,958
He said, "I'm head
of a Joint-Stock Company.
160
00:10:24,125 --> 00:10:25,500
The governor can't fire me."
161
00:10:25,666 --> 00:10:27,541
I said, "I know,
but Yeltsin asked me to."
162
00:10:27,708 --> 00:10:31,083
He said: "You're a cool guy,
I don't want you to be sacked.
163
00:10:31,250 --> 00:10:33,083
So I'll resign."
164
00:10:33,875 --> 00:10:38,291
Yeltsin called to see
if I'd fired him.
165
00:10:39,125 --> 00:10:44,875
In the spring of 1992 he persuaded me
to come to Nizhny Novgorod.
166
00:10:45,708 --> 00:10:52,458
That's when I came up with a program
to save the region economically.
167
00:10:52,666 --> 00:10:56,791
There'd been no modernization and
no new industry — just an oil refinery.
168
00:10:56,958 --> 00:10:59,791
This is the result. All the same...
169
00:10:59,958 --> 00:11:02,708
I want every petrol station
to have petrol by tomorrow.
170
00:11:02,875 --> 00:11:07,875
We didn't meet
in the best circumstances.
171
00:11:08,333 --> 00:11:12,625
During privatization,
our voucher fund Alfa Capital...
172
00:11:13,375 --> 00:11:18,250
...bought shares in companies
that were being privatized.
173
00:11:18,416 --> 00:11:25,125
This included several in the
Nizhny Novgorod region.
174
00:11:25,291 --> 00:11:28,458
The local authorities
put up some obstacles.
175
00:11:29,375 --> 00:11:34,291
We needed support,
or at least no resistance...
176
00:11:34,458 --> 00:11:36,916
...from the administration.
177
00:11:37,083 --> 00:11:42,375
So I flew to see him
178
00:11:43,208 --> 00:11:45,875
with Pyotr Aven and German Khan.
179
00:11:46,333 --> 00:11:48,083
We went into his office.
180
00:11:48,250 --> 00:11:55,250
He said, "What are you here for?
Do you want to steal a factory from me?"
181
00:11:55,416 --> 00:11:59,833
Actually what he said
was much cruder.
182
00:12:00,208 --> 00:12:02,833
"Well, you're not going
to steal anything.
183
00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:07,000
Give me $500 million
and the factory is yours.
184
00:12:07,375 --> 00:12:10,666
Am I clear, God damn it?
Any questions?"
185
00:12:12,208 --> 00:12:16,291
And we mumbled,
"Oh, you know, well, so then..."
186
00:12:16,458 --> 00:12:18,458
Just babbling.
187
00:12:18,750 --> 00:12:22,375
"I'm busy. Good-bye.
End of meeting."
188
00:12:23,416 --> 00:12:30,250
Our relationship was strained,
to put it mildly.
189
00:12:30,833 --> 00:12:36,583
He always tried to project
an equivocal attitude to the men...
190
00:12:38,958 --> 00:12:42,708
...called oligarchs at the time.
191
00:12:42,875 --> 00:12:46,750
So his relations with us, and me
in particular, were strained.
192
00:12:48,791 --> 00:12:50,000
He kept his distance.
193
00:12:50,166 --> 00:12:51,875
He would use striking metaphors.
194
00:12:52,041 --> 00:12:54,875
Yes, we are repairing our house.
195
00:12:55,541 --> 00:12:57,458
Yes, it's hard to live in it.
196
00:12:57,625 --> 00:13:00,916
There's whitewash everywhere.
There's no place to sleep or eat.
197
00:13:01,083 --> 00:13:02,666
We don't want to live like this.
198
00:13:02,833 --> 00:13:04,250
But if we don't do the repairs,
199
00:13:04,416 --> 00:13:06,500
...our roof will collapse
and the walls will cave in.
200
00:13:06,666 --> 00:13:09,208
We don't have any choice,
or anywhere else to go.
201
00:13:09,375 --> 00:13:16,333
He explained things every day,
slowly, at meetings and on TV.
202
00:13:16,708 --> 00:13:19,875
Like what private property is and
why we need it. What freedom is.
203
00:13:20,125 --> 00:13:23,208
Margaret Thatcher visited him,
204
00:13:23,791 --> 00:13:25,625
...as did many ambassadors.
205
00:13:25,833 --> 00:13:31,500
They have a nose for these things.
206
00:13:31,875 --> 00:13:35,166
We sell this cheese every day.
207
00:13:39,250 --> 00:13:45,583
They sensed where and when
they'd seen the future of Russia.
208
00:13:45,958 --> 00:13:52,500
I believe we must not allow
the zinc-lined coffins...
209
00:13:52,666 --> 00:13:54,041
...of our children ...
210
00:13:54,208 --> 00:13:56,541
...and brothers to appear in Russia.
211
00:13:57,750 --> 00:14:03,625
That's why I am against
our army entering Grozny...
212
00:14:04,083 --> 00:14:07,666
...or any other town
or village in Chechnya.
213
00:14:07,833 --> 00:14:12,916
Many men were deployed
from Nizhny Novgorod.
214
00:14:13,958 --> 00:14:17,625
Special police forces went.
215
00:14:18,375 --> 00:14:22,000
They died there, and it
all came down on him.
216
00:14:22,333 --> 00:14:26,750
I will do everything in power...
217
00:14:28,166 --> 00:14:31,958
...to persuade my superiors
to end this war.
218
00:14:32,125 --> 00:14:37,958
He had to talk to the parents
who received these coffins.
219
00:14:38,291 --> 00:14:39,958
There were so many coffins.
220
00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:47,208
When this horrible war -
the First Chechen War - went on,
221
00:14:48,791 --> 00:14:52,291
...when soldiers' mothers
travelled around Chechnya...
222
00:14:52,583 --> 00:14:57,000
What did Boris do when war fever...
223
00:14:57,166 --> 00:15:00,750
...and devastation
ravaged the country?
224
00:15:01,083 --> 00:15:04,125
Despite being named,
officially and unofficially,
225
00:15:04,291 --> 00:15:06,000
...as Yeltsin's successor,
226
00:15:06,166 --> 00:15:14,250
...he collected a truckload of signatures
and brought them to Yeltsin.
227
00:15:14,708 --> 00:15:19,416
I brought a truck to the Kremlin.
228
00:15:20,041 --> 00:15:22,375
Yeltsin saw the signatures.
229
00:15:23,833 --> 00:15:27,166
The text above them read:
230
00:15:28,166 --> 00:15:32,375
"Dear Boris Nikolayevich, we demand
that you immediately stop the war."
231
00:15:32,666 --> 00:15:34,000
Full stop. And signatures.
232
00:15:35,125 --> 00:15:38,750
He looked at them and said:
"Are they for me or against me?"
233
00:15:38,916 --> 00:15:40,708
I said, "It depends on you.
234
00:15:40,875 --> 00:15:44,333
If you stop the war, they're for you.
If you don't, they're against you."
235
00:15:46,208 --> 00:15:49,416
He said, "You can go."
He was furious with me.
236
00:15:50,416 --> 00:15:54,333
But he didn't do anything to me.
He just switched off our direct line.
237
00:15:54,541 --> 00:15:58,833
Boris sometimes opposed
the president's position,
238
00:15:59,416 --> 00:16:04,625
...like when he collected
signatures against the war.
239
00:16:05,041 --> 00:16:07,041
Dad was hurt by Boris.
240
00:16:07,208 --> 00:16:13,208
Not hurt - sad, perhaps.
241
00:16:14,833 --> 00:16:17,041
He thought they were
on the same side,
242
00:16:17,208 --> 00:16:20,125
...and that Boris would understand
the logic and the need...
243
00:16:20,291 --> 00:16:21,916
...for certain decisions.
244
00:16:22,125 --> 00:16:26,291
But Boris wouldn't give up
if he was convinced of something.
245
00:16:26,750 --> 00:16:30,166
Suddenly Yeltsin called me:
246
00:16:30,333 --> 00:16:33,583
"Well, dove of peace,
will you go to Chechnya?
247
00:16:33,750 --> 00:16:35,333
We'll negotiate peace."
248
00:16:35,541 --> 00:16:39,000
I think he's a great man
for admitting his own mistakes.
249
00:16:39,166 --> 00:16:45,708
At the airfield I met
Korzhakov and Barsukov.
250
00:16:46,416 --> 00:16:50,416
They asked me to dissuade
Yeltsin from going.
251
00:16:50,875 --> 00:16:52,000
I asked why.
252
00:16:52,166 --> 00:16:55,375
"Because they'll kill him.
Do you want him to die?"
253
00:16:55,541 --> 00:16:57,416
I said of course I didn't.
254
00:16:58,125 --> 00:16:59,541
"Dissuade him, he likes you."
255
00:17:00,416 --> 00:17:07,583
He came and asked
why we weren't on the plane.
256
00:17:08,416 --> 00:17:14,583
I said, "They have information -
257
00:17:15,250 --> 00:17:18,458
...there will be
an attempt on your life."
258
00:17:18,625 --> 00:17:22,458
He looked at me and said:
"Have you chickened out?"
259
00:17:22,791 --> 00:17:25,583
I said, "No." "Well then,
Get on the plane.
260
00:17:25,750 --> 00:17:27,708
And you two cowards
can stay here."
261
00:17:27,875 --> 00:17:34,708
He told me to stay close to him.
I said, "Of course."
262
00:17:36,333 --> 00:17:39,416
He wanted to show that
he came in peace,
263
00:17:39,583 --> 00:17:44,875
...and I was very popular there.
Everyone knew I wanted to end the war.
264
00:17:45,083 --> 00:17:47,166
Yesterday Yandarbiyev...
265
00:17:48,958 --> 00:17:50,125
...signed...
266
00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:52,500
...the papers to...
267
00:17:53,333 --> 00:17:57,208
...end military operations.
268
00:17:57,583 --> 00:18:01,083
Stay in office,
you're still a healthy man!
269
00:18:01,250 --> 00:18:04,375
I'll think about it!
Look at these young men.
270
00:18:04,541 --> 00:18:07,125
No, we need him here.
271
00:18:07,291 --> 00:18:10,125
- He's grown up.
- He'll be ready just in time.
272
00:18:10,291 --> 00:18:13,791
- And who will lead Nizhny?
- The president.
273
00:18:13,958 --> 00:18:17,166
No, it should be the governor.
274
00:18:17,333 --> 00:18:19,458
The president
should take care of Russia.
275
00:18:19,625 --> 00:18:23,208
The economic situation was hard.
The Duma elections were lost.
276
00:18:24,875 --> 00:18:29,500
Communists and Zhirinovsky's party
were in control,
277
00:18:30,291 --> 00:18:34,500
...so there was great risk
of losing the election.
278
00:18:34,666 --> 00:18:39,041
Many people thought
Yeltsin wouldn't be re-elected.
279
00:18:39,208 --> 00:18:41,375
The late Gaidar in particular.
280
00:18:41,916 --> 00:18:46,541
At some point, Gaidar
went to Nizhny Novgorod...
281
00:18:46,708 --> 00:18:49,458
...to meet and talk to Nemtsov...
282
00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:57,000
...about running for president.
283
00:18:57,166 --> 00:19:00,833
We have come to the conclusion...
284
00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:05,875
that Boris Nemtsov
could consolidate...
285
00:19:06,041 --> 00:19:09,041
...the democratic electorate.
286
00:19:09,500 --> 00:19:12,125
Nemtsov told him to shove it.
287
00:19:12,291 --> 00:19:14,416
Say a couple of words
for the record.
288
00:19:14,583 --> 00:19:19,291
For the record, I want to say that
I'm happy to see you.
289
00:19:19,958 --> 00:19:23,625
He said, "No, Yegor, you're crazy."
290
00:19:23,791 --> 00:19:28,500
The law of the pendulum shows,
as we've observed in Eastern Europe,
291
00:19:28,875 --> 00:19:32,041
...that when it's Yeltsin vs. Zyuganov,
Zyuganov wins.
292
00:19:32,416 --> 00:19:37,458
Even if we convince swing voters
that communists are worse,
293
00:19:37,875 --> 00:19:44,250
... half of them wouldn't vote
for Yeltsin anyway.
294
00:19:44,583 --> 00:19:47,291
I was in Davos...
295
00:19:47,958 --> 00:19:51,208
All the oligarchs
were fighting each other.
296
00:19:51,375 --> 00:19:56,000
Especially Berezovsky and Gusinsky.
297
00:19:57,750 --> 00:20:02,666
An enemy of Gusinsky asked me,
298
00:20:03,291 --> 00:20:05,875
"How do I find Gusinsky?"
299
00:20:06,166 --> 00:20:11,541
I said, "Why?"
He said, "I have to talk to him."
300
00:20:11,875 --> 00:20:17,041
So I passed it on.
They immediately got in touch.
301
00:20:17,208 --> 00:20:24,208
And then a slightly amazed
Gusinsky told me,
302
00:20:25,791 --> 00:20:31,916
"Berezovsky proposed a truce so that
we can join forces to support Yeltsin."
303
00:20:32,666 --> 00:20:35,666
It was clear...
304
00:20:37,250 --> 00:20:40,125
...that Yeltsin would stay in power,
305
00:20:40,625 --> 00:20:46,208
...but how?
306
00:20:46,416 --> 00:20:52,708
One group advocated using force.
307
00:20:53,583 --> 00:20:55,250
Bring in the troops.
308
00:20:55,916 --> 00:21:00,916
The other group
said they could win...
309
00:21:01,208 --> 00:21:03,708
...without a show of force.
310
00:21:03,958 --> 00:21:11,708
We thought we were choosing
the lesser of two evils.
311
00:21:11,875 --> 00:21:13,833
We wrote a letter.
312
00:21:14,083 --> 00:21:17,416
This group was later called
"The Banker Gang."
313
00:21:17,666 --> 00:21:22,916
We told Zyuganov and Yeltsin
to stop fighting and deal...
314
00:21:23,125 --> 00:21:26,833
...with social tensions, etc.
315
00:21:27,500 --> 00:21:35,583
I remember clearly that everyone
said Yeltsin had to win,
316
00:21:35,750 --> 00:21:37,916
...or it would be the end
of everything.
317
00:21:38,208 --> 00:21:42,416
Maybe it was too bold of me -
318
00:21:43,250 --> 00:21:46,000
...I'm far from politics -
319
00:21:46,333 --> 00:21:52,916
...but I said, "May I offer another
point of view?
320
00:21:53,291 --> 00:21:59,500
We will be worse off personally
if Zyuganov wins.
321
00:22:00,458 --> 00:22:03,791
But from a historical perspective,
322
00:22:04,125 --> 00:22:07,166
....perhaps it would be better
for the country?"
323
00:22:08,958 --> 00:22:16,500
There would be a precedent
for voting...
324
00:22:16,666 --> 00:22:19,666
...in the opposition.
325
00:22:19,833 --> 00:22:26,416
That would be important for
our historical development.
326
00:22:26,708 --> 00:22:33,041
I got the cold shoulder for that.
327
00:22:33,208 --> 00:22:39,250
So I shut up after that.
328
00:22:39,416 --> 00:22:44,000
I think if Zyuganov wins
the communists will split.
329
00:22:44,583 --> 00:22:46,041
There is a chance that....
330
00:22:46,208 --> 00:22:49,166
...a powerful political opposition
will be formed -
331
00:22:49,333 --> 00:22:53,875
... one without infighting.
332
00:22:54,041 --> 00:22:56,375
I think, within this...
333
00:22:56,541 --> 00:23:01,541
...very real, possible
or even likely outcome,
334
00:23:02,083 --> 00:23:08,708
...our President could take
a great step to protect Russia...
335
00:23:08,875 --> 00:23:11,208
...from this sort of calamity.
336
00:23:11,375 --> 00:23:16,541
I mean amending the Constitution
to restrict presidential power.
337
00:23:17,458 --> 00:23:21,750
At the time I did not have...
338
00:23:23,625 --> 00:23:27,583
...Boris's democratic conviction...
339
00:23:28,250 --> 00:23:32,833
... to say: "Let Zyuganov win."
340
00:23:33,333 --> 00:23:38,416
I think Nemtsov was right.
For Russia, Zyuganov's victory...
341
00:23:38,583 --> 00:23:40,750
...would not have been tragic.
342
00:23:40,916 --> 00:23:47,333
It could have moved
Russia more quickly to...
343
00:23:47,500 --> 00:23:55,000
...real democracy
and the succession of power,
344
00:23:55,208 --> 00:24:00,958
...in a normal, democratic,
and peaceful way.
345
00:24:01,125 --> 00:24:06,500
In the first round in my region
Zyuganov and Yeltsin were tied.
346
00:24:06,666 --> 00:24:09,958
Before the second round
Zyuganov came to see me.
347
00:24:10,125 --> 00:24:13,500
I said, "Sure, I'll introduce you
to my team."
348
00:24:13,666 --> 00:24:17,333
In the provinces,
people in your party...
349
00:24:17,500 --> 00:24:21,208
....are usually eternal losers,
the kind who want revenge.
350
00:24:21,708 --> 00:24:24,583
You may be a good man,
but they are like this.
351
00:24:24,750 --> 00:24:28,958
I am afraid that your victory
would be tragic for the country.
352
00:24:29,125 --> 00:24:31,291
Although you might be a good man.
353
00:24:31,458 --> 00:24:36,750
That is why no one on this side
will vote for you.
354
00:24:37,916 --> 00:24:39,791
How do you feel?
355
00:24:40,541 --> 00:24:42,833
Well, compared...
356
00:24:44,208 --> 00:24:46,458
...to the first days...
357
00:24:47,125 --> 00:24:50,833
...after the operation, I feel fine.
358
00:24:51,875 --> 00:24:54,000
Let's sit down here.
359
00:24:56,666 --> 00:24:58,166
Yes, there's a breeze.
360
00:24:58,750 --> 00:25:03,416
He's still very tense,
he wants to catch up.
361
00:25:03,583 --> 00:25:06,375
I want him to have a bit more rest.
362
00:25:06,625 --> 00:25:12,666
Chernomyrdin eventually
persuaded Yeltsin...
363
00:25:14,083 --> 00:25:18,291
...to move Chubais
from Chief of Staff...
364
00:25:19,250 --> 00:25:21,291
...to First Deputy Prime Minister...
365
00:25:21,458 --> 00:25:23,833
...in charge of the economy.
366
00:25:25,833 --> 00:25:32,166
Chubais started looking for
members for his team,
367
00:25:32,916 --> 00:25:38,166
...and one of the candidates
was Nemtsov.
368
00:25:44,916 --> 00:25:49,666
Chubais called Boris and
invited him to the White House.
369
00:25:50,375 --> 00:25:54,250
He was the First Deputy PM
at the time.
370
00:25:54,583 --> 00:25:56,625
They talked for a long time.
371
00:25:57,500 --> 00:26:02,125
Chubais asked him to accept
my father's offer.
372
00:26:02,583 --> 00:26:06,208
But Boris said, "No,
I have so much to do here.
373
00:26:06,375 --> 00:26:08,208
We need reforms here, too."
374
00:26:08,375 --> 00:26:11,041
He turned down the offer.
375
00:26:11,583 --> 00:26:15,458
The idea of him joining
the Cabinet...
376
00:26:15,625 --> 00:26:17,833
... was making the rounds.
377
00:26:18,208 --> 00:26:23,375
There was Chubais,
Chernomyrdin and I.
378
00:26:23,666 --> 00:26:25,250
Nothing was working.
379
00:26:25,666 --> 00:26:31,416
Dad thought that maybe
I could talk to Boris.
380
00:26:31,583 --> 00:26:35,041
We got along well.
We had a good relationship.
381
00:26:35,583 --> 00:26:37,750
Although we rarely saw each other,
382
00:26:37,916 --> 00:26:42,625
...we were on the same wavelength.
383
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,708
So Dad told me to talk to him again.
384
00:26:46,958 --> 00:26:51,625
Everyone tried to dissuade me,
telling me it was suicidal.
385
00:26:52,208 --> 00:26:55,458
Then Yeltsin's daughter came.
386
00:26:57,083 --> 00:26:59,500
I came late in the afternoon.
387
00:27:01,125 --> 00:27:07,416
Valentin Yumashev
told him I was coming.
388
00:27:07,583 --> 00:27:09,541
I think Boris was shocked.
389
00:27:09,708 --> 00:27:13,666
He didn't expect
the president's daughter -
390
00:27:13,833 --> 00:27:17,708
...although I was also
an adviser to come...
391
00:27:17,916 --> 00:27:19,791
...and try to persuade him.
392
00:27:21,041 --> 00:27:22,208
She said one thing.
393
00:27:22,375 --> 00:27:25,083
For four hours she tried
to persuade me.
394
00:27:25,250 --> 00:27:28,416
She cried, and then she said:
"My father has always helped you.
395
00:27:28,583 --> 00:27:29,291
This was true.
396
00:27:29,458 --> 00:27:32,041
Now the time has come for you
to help him.'"
397
00:27:32,208 --> 00:27:35,458
As a decent human being,
how could I say no?
398
00:27:36,250 --> 00:27:39,791
His human decency always won.
399
00:27:40,625 --> 00:27:42,916
In a politician
it's probably wrong.
400
00:27:43,458 --> 00:27:48,166
In a man, especially for a friend,
it's wonderful.
401
00:27:48,875 --> 00:27:53,541
I was delighted when
Boris agreed the following day.
402
00:27:53,708 --> 00:27:58,208
Before she came,
Berezovsky had come,
403
00:27:58,791 --> 00:28:05,333
....almost incognito, and said:
"We've decided.
404
00:28:07,250 --> 00:28:09,458
We want to put you in charge."
405
00:28:10,708 --> 00:28:13,041
I say: "Who's 'we'?"
406
00:28:14,375 --> 00:28:17,791
"The guys - we decided.
We told Yeltsin.
407
00:28:18,750 --> 00:28:21,333
He listened to us, of course.
408
00:28:22,333 --> 00:28:24,250
We decided to put you in charge."
409
00:28:24,541 --> 00:28:26,875
I realized then that the country
was doomed.
410
00:28:27,041 --> 00:28:31,208
I said, "Boris, quit messing around.
This will end badly."
411
00:28:31,500 --> 00:28:33,541
I did not see Berezovsky.
412
00:28:33,708 --> 00:28:37,833
Boris said he ran away
when he heard I was coming.
413
00:28:38,041 --> 00:28:42,375
That was so like Berezovsky!
If he heard something,
414
00:28:42,583 --> 00:28:45,833
...he pretended to be part of it.
415
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:51,291
He told Boris to be
grateful to him...
416
00:28:53,208 --> 00:28:54,458
...for the job.
417
00:28:54,625 --> 00:28:55,916
Three days later...
418
00:28:56,833 --> 00:29:00,875
...was that famous scene on TV.
419
00:29:01,583 --> 00:29:06,625
Yeltsin said to Chubais,
"I've decided to make you...
420
00:29:07,041 --> 00:29:08,833
....First Deputy Prime Minister.
421
00:29:10,916 --> 00:29:17,791
Second Deputy
will be Boris Nemtsov.
422
00:29:20,416 --> 00:29:22,958
And Chubais said,
"That's a great decision."
423
00:29:23,125 --> 00:29:24,833
Well, Boris...
424
00:29:27,583 --> 00:29:29,708
This is an interesting choice.
425
00:29:31,458 --> 00:29:32,583
A dangerous one.
426
00:29:32,750 --> 00:29:36,625
You are both young...
427
00:29:36,916 --> 00:29:42,583
...and you'll create
a fresh new team.
428
00:29:44,666 --> 00:29:51,458
Only three days earlier he had told me
that he definitely would not go.
429
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,458
It was a difficult time.
430
00:29:54,916 --> 00:30:02,208
Oligarchs could do
whatever they wanted...
431
00:30:03,375 --> 00:30:05,750
...in the Cabinet.
432
00:30:06,500 --> 00:30:13,625
My colleague said that Berezovsky...
433
00:30:13,791 --> 00:30:17,041
... persuaded you.
So who was it?
434
00:30:17,458 --> 00:30:18,750
The president.
435
00:30:18,916 --> 00:30:21,083
- Not Berezovsky or Chubais?
- The president.
436
00:30:21,250 --> 00:30:22,500
What was his argument?
437
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:31,500
We talked in general about
what he thought the country needed.
438
00:30:32,375 --> 00:30:35,416
There aren't many options.
439
00:30:35,583 --> 00:30:39,875
Either gangster capitalism
or human capitalism.
440
00:30:40,041 --> 00:30:41,583
Capitalism with a human face.
441
00:30:42,375 --> 00:30:49,125
I think Yeltsin's team knew
they needed...
442
00:30:50,958 --> 00:30:54,833
...a different sort of man.
443
00:30:55,291 --> 00:30:58,875
One who could not be bought.
444
00:30:59,541 --> 00:31:02,458
There are offers you can't refuse.
445
00:31:02,625 --> 00:31:08,625
I don't know anyone who refused
what the president asked of them.
446
00:31:08,791 --> 00:31:13,333
Dad thought that the Cabinet
needed new people.
447
00:31:13,833 --> 00:31:15,625
From the provinces.
448
00:31:16,125 --> 00:31:20,958
He always supported young,
energetic, talented people.
449
00:31:21,125 --> 00:31:23,250
He believed they were the future.
450
00:31:23,416 --> 00:31:26,541
Boris was the first among them.
451
00:31:27,208 --> 00:31:29,916
The president is considering
a successor.
452
00:31:30,083 --> 00:31:33,166
Did that play a role
in your appointment?
453
00:31:33,333 --> 00:31:34,375
I think not.
454
00:31:34,958 --> 00:31:40,250
It would be easier for me
to move up the political ladder...
455
00:31:40,416 --> 00:31:42,000
...if I were governor.
456
00:31:42,333 --> 00:31:48,541
In Moscow I'll be like a kamikaze.
457
00:31:48,708 --> 00:31:51,166
The move to Moscow
ruined Boris's career.
458
00:31:52,541 --> 00:31:57,375
He would have gone on to
be Yeltsin's successor in 1999..
459
00:31:58,541 --> 00:32:00,541
...had he not made the move.
460
00:32:00,708 --> 00:32:04,416
He joined us in Moscow in 1997.
461
00:32:04,750 --> 00:32:08,875
Well, I say he joined us in Moscow
but I'd only been here for four years.
462
00:32:10,291 --> 00:32:13,000
At first they didn't even
give him an apartment.
463
00:32:13,166 --> 00:32:14,250
He stayed at my place.
464
00:32:15,875 --> 00:32:20,666
He'd been in Moscow for a year
and still had no apartment.
465
00:32:20,833 --> 00:32:22,083
So he went to Yeltsin.
466
00:32:22,250 --> 00:32:24,375
Yeltsin asked him casually
where he was living.
467
00:32:24,541 --> 00:32:27,458
He said, "A house in the countryside.
I still don't have an apartment."
468
00:32:27,625 --> 00:32:28,958
"Why is that?" Yeltsin asked.
469
00:32:29,125 --> 00:32:31,333
"Luzhkov won't give me
a residence permit."
470
00:32:34,666 --> 00:32:40,541
And so, Yeltsin called Luzhkov.
471
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:43,625
He said one phrase.
472
00:32:43,791 --> 00:32:45,875
"Nemtsov is sitting here with me."
473
00:32:47,125 --> 00:32:51,500
On the other end Luzhkov said,
"And so...?"
474
00:32:52,375 --> 00:32:55,958
"Yury, that's just petty. Petty."
And he hung up.
475
00:32:56,375 --> 00:32:59,041
The very next day he got
his residence permit.
476
00:32:59,458 --> 00:33:06,125
My team and my friends have forbidden
me from speaking about this.
477
00:33:12,916 --> 00:33:15,666
We still have three years
before the election.
478
00:33:15,833 --> 00:33:17,500
We've talked about it already.
479
00:33:17,666 --> 00:33:19,375
There are almost three years left.
480
00:33:19,541 --> 00:33:22,458
Why do you want to get rid of me?
481
00:33:22,625 --> 00:33:28,833
Boris was never shy
with my father.
482
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:33,375
Never showed servility or fear.
483
00:33:36,416 --> 00:33:43,458
I saw their relationship
during informal meetings,
484
00:33:43,708 --> 00:33:49,791
...like in 1997 with the Japanese
Prime Minister.
485
00:33:49,958 --> 00:33:57,583
It was clear that Yeltsin
liked Nemtsov a lot.
486
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:00,791
Yeltsin liked...
487
00:34:01,833 --> 00:34:07,458
...to shake things up.
488
00:34:07,625 --> 00:34:11,125
Like when he told Hashimoto,
in all seriousness,
489
00:34:11,875 --> 00:34:15,125
"I delegate to Yastrzhembsky
and Nemtsov...
490
00:34:15,458 --> 00:34:18,833
...the task of resolving
the Kuril Islands issue by morning."
491
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,666
We agreed to address
each other informally.
492
00:34:27,416 --> 00:34:31,333
We using first names:
Boris and Ryu.
493
00:34:31,500 --> 00:34:36,791
Tomorrow we'll hear their proposal.
494
00:34:36,958 --> 00:34:38,916
Everyone left.
495
00:34:39,750 --> 00:34:45,333
Boris looked horrified and said,
"We're dead."
496
00:34:47,208 --> 00:34:51,416
I said, "Why?"
497
00:34:51,708 --> 00:34:58,500
"We have to commit treason, go
against the Constitution."
498
00:34:58,666 --> 00:35:02,500
I said, "Boris, relax.
What are you talking about?
499
00:35:02,708 --> 00:35:04,500
We were given a task."
500
00:35:04,666 --> 00:35:07,625
He said,
"Yes, to give the islands back."
501
00:35:07,791 --> 00:35:10,916
"Who said we had to return them?
502
00:35:11,083 --> 00:35:14,416
We were given the task of
finding a solution by morning.
503
00:35:14,791 --> 00:35:16,750
A solution!"
504
00:35:16,916 --> 00:35:19,958
Every attempt will be made
505
00:35:20,125 --> 00:35:23,666
for us to be ready to sign
a peace treaty. Am I right?
506
00:35:23,833 --> 00:35:26,333
"Make every attempt" isn't "sign."
507
00:35:27,583 --> 00:35:33,333
It was like walking
on a hot tin roof.
508
00:35:34,291 --> 00:35:37,500
SVYAZINVEST MOSCOW
SUMMER 1997
509
00:35:37,666 --> 00:35:41,750
Today we will discuss
the ideas of the younger members...
510
00:35:41,916 --> 00:35:43,458
....of our team.
511
00:35:43,666 --> 00:35:51,041
Chubais's team was
very strong intellectually.
512
00:35:51,208 --> 00:35:56,708
The strongest one we've ever had.
513
00:35:57,125 --> 00:35:59,500
I kept Nemtsov...
514
00:36:00,500 --> 00:36:03,250
...and talked to him.
515
00:36:05,166 --> 00:36:08,000
Of course, the president
had the final say.
516
00:36:09,708 --> 00:36:11,500
We need people like him.
517
00:36:11,958 --> 00:36:16,041
Boris didn't go into the Cabinet...
518
00:36:17,500 --> 00:36:21,125
...to play nice with everyone.
519
00:36:22,166 --> 00:36:28,375
Not to speak well, to look good,
to be funny, etc.
520
00:36:28,750 --> 00:36:34,291
He went to there to do serious work,
with no corruption.
521
00:36:34,875 --> 00:36:40,500
To achieve institutionally
fundamental goals.
522
00:36:40,708 --> 00:36:44,375
When they gave me this position,
I had a dream.
523
00:36:44,791 --> 00:36:48,375
In it oil costs $15,
or better yet, $35.
524
00:36:48,541 --> 00:36:51,791
Everyone gets $30,000
when they have a baby.
525
00:36:51,958 --> 00:36:54,291
There's free healthcare
and education.
526
00:36:54,458 --> 00:36:55,625
Kuwait 2.0
527
00:36:56,416 --> 00:36:59,750
Dad had high hopes
for this Cabinet.
528
00:36:59,916 --> 00:37:06,083
I'm sure he expected it would work...
529
00:37:06,250 --> 00:37:09,458
...until the summer of 2000.
530
00:37:10,041 --> 00:37:12,000
Until the next election.
531
00:37:12,166 --> 00:37:14,625
We designed reforms
at our own risk.
532
00:37:15,875 --> 00:37:18,583
Chernomyrdin protected us.
533
00:37:18,750 --> 00:37:23,250
Everyone is working
as one, robust team.
534
00:37:23,458 --> 00:37:28,666
That's the way it will stay.
535
00:37:30,125 --> 00:37:35,208
He defended us to Yeltsin
as much as he could.
536
00:37:35,375 --> 00:37:39,791
Together with the wise Chernomyrdin,
who protected them politically...
537
00:37:40,958 --> 00:37:47,750
...the young guys on the new team...
538
00:37:47,916 --> 00:37:50,958
...made the Cabinet very effective.
539
00:37:51,166 --> 00:37:55,000
We saw it in the ratings,
540
00:37:56,458 --> 00:38:00,458
...the business environment.
541
00:38:01,500 --> 00:38:05,958
The public had fresh hope.
542
00:38:06,208 --> 00:38:12,125
Oil prices were about $12 a barrel.
543
00:38:12,291 --> 00:38:17,666
We owed state workers
about three months' salary.
544
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,458
The same backlog for pensions.
545
00:38:20,666 --> 00:38:24,208
So a new Cabinet was formed.
546
00:38:24,916 --> 00:38:32,708
The term "kamikaze" was used.
They had to carry out reforms,
547
00:38:33,208 --> 00:38:38,625
...with their backs to the wall,
sacrificing their career...
548
00:38:39,958 --> 00:38:42,250
...in politics,
549
00:38:43,875 --> 00:38:51,000
...with total hostility
in parliament.
550
00:38:51,250 --> 00:38:58,791
There was a lot of pressure.
We had a free democratic press.
551
00:38:59,125 --> 00:39:01,291
TV stations...
552
00:39:02,875 --> 00:39:08,666
...could say whatever they wanted and
treat anyone however they wanted.
553
00:39:08,958 --> 00:39:12,333
It used to be that the state and
the people existed for the monopolies.
554
00:39:12,500 --> 00:39:15,916
I think it should be
the other way around.
555
00:39:16,083 --> 00:39:17,875
Or else it will all end badly.
556
00:39:18,041 --> 00:39:23,500
Boris was stubborn,
too harsh sometimes.
557
00:39:23,666 --> 00:39:27,666
But it was clear
that he meant business.
558
00:39:27,833 --> 00:39:31,625
Chernomyrdin, who was smart,
also saw that Boris...
559
00:39:31,791 --> 00:39:34,958
...was fighting for
the state's interests.
560
00:39:35,125 --> 00:39:40,666
I remember well, it was Nemtsov
who was against the sale...
561
00:39:40,833 --> 00:39:42,666
...of the controlling stake
in Gazprom.
562
00:39:42,833 --> 00:39:45,083
That was a tough fight.
563
00:39:45,416 --> 00:39:49,958
He was First Deputy PM
and Minister of Energy.
564
00:39:50,333 --> 00:39:53,666
He was in charge of the most
difficult sector,
565
00:39:56,458 --> 00:40:00,958
...the biggest payer
into the state budget,
566
00:40:01,125 --> 00:40:03,500
...although less than it is today.
567
00:40:03,750 --> 00:40:11,916
Boris was such a vivid personality.
He couldn't be just average.
568
00:40:12,125 --> 00:40:14,208
He always lit up a room.
569
00:40:14,416 --> 00:40:16,666
We decided to sell SvyazInvest
above-board.
570
00:40:16,833 --> 00:40:18,833
The biggest telecom company.
571
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,375
The story of SvyazInvest is simply...
572
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,791
...the most important event
of the 1990s.
573
00:40:24,958 --> 00:40:30,500
One fine day Chubais
woke up in a good mood.
574
00:40:30,791 --> 00:40:39,125
He decided that from that day on
business would follow new rules.
575
00:40:39,333 --> 00:40:41,958
Not the ones it followed before.
576
00:40:42,166 --> 00:40:46,125
Those rules were foul, morally bankrupt,
but well-established.
577
00:40:46,291 --> 00:40:52,083
They demanded that we
sell the company to the group...
578
00:40:53,416 --> 00:40:57,416
...formed by Gusinsky
and headed by Telefonica.
579
00:40:58,583 --> 00:41:01,458
We thought we should sell it
to the highest bidder.
580
00:41:01,625 --> 00:41:02,750
What was my position?
581
00:41:02,916 --> 00:41:07,416
There'd been certain rules of the game
before the guys arrived.
582
00:41:09,541 --> 00:41:13,375
Everyone obeyed these rules,
and business did its part...
583
00:41:15,708 --> 00:41:17,500
...and followed them.
584
00:41:19,458 --> 00:41:25,708
Then they come and say:
"No more rules, we start over.
585
00:41:25,875 --> 00:41:28,041
We need honest competition."
586
00:41:28,208 --> 00:41:30,875
I said to Boris and Anatoly,
"What will happen...
587
00:41:31,041 --> 00:41:32,416
...when Gusinsky loses?"
588
00:41:33,083 --> 00:41:37,958
He's been building
this largely useless SvyazInvest...
589
00:41:38,208 --> 00:41:42,166
...for three years.
He put in a lot of effort.
590
00:41:42,583 --> 00:41:46,791
In a month the young reformers
will be gone.
591
00:41:47,291 --> 00:41:50,833
According to agreements worked out
over the course of a number of years,
592
00:41:51,791 --> 00:41:55,875
...men who had taken big risks...
593
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:03,375
...had priority during privatization
of large sectors of the economy.
594
00:42:03,541 --> 00:42:07,500
It's not right. I completely agree.
But that was the agreement.
595
00:42:07,666 --> 00:42:10,666
Everyone agreed that rules
can be changed.
596
00:42:10,916 --> 00:42:14,375
Let's get
all the businessmen together.
597
00:42:14,666 --> 00:42:19,375
Yeltsin will take part if needed.
If not, it will be the three of us.
598
00:42:19,541 --> 00:42:21,916
We should say,
"This will be the last tender."
599
00:42:22,083 --> 00:42:26,208
Anyone who breaks the rules
after this will be destroyed...
600
00:42:26,541 --> 00:42:29,500
...by the business community.
601
00:42:29,833 --> 00:42:33,166
But I couldn't stop these two.
602
00:42:38,416 --> 00:42:41,916
Boris was the emotional leader.
603
00:42:42,083 --> 00:42:46,041
Was it the right idea?
Theoretically speaking, sure.
604
00:42:47,041 --> 00:42:49,416
Was it right to start
with SvyazInvest?
605
00:42:49,666 --> 00:42:52,416
Tactically-speaking, it probably
wasn't the wisest choice.
606
00:42:52,583 --> 00:42:57,666
Although I think it was
a just and lawful decision.
607
00:42:57,833 --> 00:43:04,541
The private owners of the largest
TV companies, NTV and ORT,
608
00:43:04,708 --> 00:43:09,958
...wanted to acquire a quarter of all
the Russian telecom systems.
609
00:43:11,125 --> 00:43:15,500
Since the Cabinet decided there would be
no more free privatization,
610
00:43:15,666 --> 00:43:18,125
...and no more crony privatization -
611
00:43:18,375 --> 00:43:21,666
...the highest bidder wins.
And another company won.
612
00:43:22,083 --> 00:43:30,125
They offered more
than 10 trillion rubles.
613
00:43:32,541 --> 00:43:35,666
The others lost
because they bid less.
614
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,291
But since they wanted things
to stay the same,
615
00:43:39,625 --> 00:43:41,666
...they couldn't accept it.
616
00:43:41,833 --> 00:43:46,666
Yes, Potanin made a larger offer.
617
00:43:46,833 --> 00:43:52,291
Because Gusinsky couldn't
persuade Spanish Telefonica...
618
00:43:52,458 --> 00:43:56,166
...to bid higher.
619
00:43:56,791 --> 00:44:00,833
They lost fair and square.
620
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:06,416
SvyazInvest was
the first fair tender.
621
00:44:06,583 --> 00:44:08,416
There was fierce competition.
622
00:44:08,583 --> 00:44:15,958
There was hysteria and scandal around it
because it was the first honest deal.
623
00:44:16,791 --> 00:44:19,625
It brought a huge sum
into the state budget.
624
00:44:19,791 --> 00:44:25,958
Actually, Gusinsky and Berezovsky
chose SvyazInvest simply because...
625
00:44:27,041 --> 00:44:33,708
...they wanted to see if we would
roll over for them or not.
626
00:44:34,708 --> 00:44:39,750
Chubais decided...
627
00:44:40,291 --> 00:44:44,750
...that it was our chance to
show that we wouldn't.
628
00:44:45,583 --> 00:44:49,083
For Chubais and Nemtsov...
629
00:44:51,500 --> 00:44:53,666
...it was a matter of principle.
630
00:44:56,583 --> 00:45:00,958
I don't idealize them,
but there were things...
631
00:45:02,291 --> 00:45:05,125
...that made them very different
from today's rulers.
632
00:45:07,500 --> 00:45:08,750
They wouldn't...
633
00:45:10,416 --> 00:45:12,583
...compromise over everything.
634
00:45:12,750 --> 00:45:17,833
When Berezovsky and Gusinsky
became opponents of the Cabinet,
635
00:45:18,083 --> 00:45:24,541
...their TV channels also turned
against us and...
636
00:45:24,708 --> 00:45:26,166
... the president, too -
637
00:45:26,333 --> 00:45:29,916
... the whole executive branch.
638
00:45:30,083 --> 00:45:31,416
The atmosphere was bad.
639
00:45:31,708 --> 00:45:39,625
I think it was a tragic mistake
by Chubais, our leader.
640
00:45:39,791 --> 00:45:47,125
And by Boris, who was responsible
for this particular question.
641
00:45:54,375 --> 00:45:58,833
Very few people understood
what was happening,
642
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:03,375
...and the extent to which
it harmed the country.
643
00:46:03,583 --> 00:46:07,625
If it weren't for SvyazInvest,
the country would be different today.
644
00:46:07,875 --> 00:46:13,500
I took part in the information war
against Chubais and Co.
645
00:46:14,375 --> 00:46:16,750
As you know, that war was won.
646
00:46:23,458 --> 00:46:26,125
It was clear to me that
after this we were done for.
647
00:46:26,958 --> 00:46:29,583
BATTLE AGAINST THE OLIGARCHS
AUTUMN 1997
648
00:46:29,875 --> 00:46:32,583
Strippers bared themselves
in front of Nemtsov and Potanin...
649
00:46:32,750 --> 00:46:35,083
...on a specially constructed podium
over the pool.
650
00:46:35,333 --> 00:46:40,583
Our colleague has obtained
footage that shows...
651
00:46:41,416 --> 00:46:44,625
...Nemtsov frolicking with the ladies.
652
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:49,000
Neither the ladies nor Nemtsov
are clothed.
653
00:46:49,458 --> 00:46:54,583
If you have questions, problems,
talk about them, solve them.
654
00:46:55,375 --> 00:47:00,208
Just don't sling mud at each other
through the press.
655
00:47:00,375 --> 00:47:07,833
Yeltsin saw this and felt it, and
he tried to reconcile everyone.
656
00:47:09,166 --> 00:47:13,208
But he didn't get anywhere.
657
00:47:13,375 --> 00:47:18,166
It was impossible to imagine
closing down two TV channels.
658
00:47:18,833 --> 00:47:24,833
Before Putin finally dealt with them,
Berezovsky and Gusinsky...
659
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:30,625
...believed that the government
functioned for big business.
660
00:47:31,083 --> 00:47:32,708
"Whatever we say, goes."
661
00:47:32,875 --> 00:47:37,000
When we told them that
we wouldn't take orders,
662
00:47:37,166 --> 00:47:40,541
...they told us they'd get rid of us
and replace us with people who would.
663
00:47:40,708 --> 00:47:44,625
Boris started a war with them.
664
00:47:45,458 --> 00:47:48,208
So they made him a target.
665
00:47:48,625 --> 00:47:54,166
The super-professional NTV channel...
666
00:47:54,375 --> 00:47:59,500
...turned Boris into Enemy No. 1.
667
00:48:02,958 --> 00:48:09,250
What I remember best are his white pants
when he met Aliyev at the airport...
668
00:48:09,666 --> 00:48:13,416
...and the famous failed campaign
to make officials switch cars -
669
00:48:13,875 --> 00:48:16,750
...from Mercedes to Russian Volgas.
670
00:48:17,500 --> 00:48:19,625
There was a smear campaign.
671
00:48:20,125 --> 00:48:22,833
We all know the story
of the white pants.
672
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:29,250
He wore white pants and they acted like
it was the end of the world.
673
00:48:29,583 --> 00:48:37,000
With the Volgas - Boris came
and said, "Why do we all have Mercedes?
674
00:48:37,166 --> 00:48:41,000
Let's make everyone use Volgas."
675
00:48:41,166 --> 00:48:43,583
Of course,
he was from Nizhny Novgorod.
676
00:48:43,750 --> 00:48:50,541
He wanted to give work to his local car
factory and workers.
677
00:48:52,041 --> 00:48:56,041
As for Nemtsov, I don't think
he has even the slightest chance...
678
00:48:56,208 --> 00:48:58,625
...of becoming president.
679
00:49:03,916 --> 00:49:09,708
I say this after observing him...
680
00:49:09,875 --> 00:49:15,833
...since he moved to Moscow.
681
00:49:16,041 --> 00:49:18,541
He looked a lot better from afar.
682
00:49:19,250 --> 00:49:25,333
He is not ready, at least not yet,
for the responsibilities that...
683
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:31,791
...the president of
a huge country has.
684
00:49:31,958 --> 00:49:36,125
The campaign against him
ran on the channels controlled...
685
00:49:36,416 --> 00:49:39,875
...by Berezovsky and Gusinsky.
686
00:49:40,208 --> 00:49:42,458
It was impossible to make things up
about Boris.
687
00:49:42,625 --> 00:49:45,291
And yet, every day
they slung mud at him.
688
00:49:46,500 --> 00:49:52,333
They said he was ineffective,
that he harmed this or that,
689
00:49:53,666 --> 00:49:57,750
...and that all the useless young
reformers should be fired immediately.
690
00:49:58,166 --> 00:50:03,000
Yeltsin's feelings towards
the Cabinet soured.
691
00:50:03,166 --> 00:50:09,750
He was aggravated that he was
running out of options...
692
00:50:09,916 --> 00:50:15,708
...on how to defend the men
he had hired and vouched for.
693
00:50:15,875 --> 00:50:24,000
Once Yeltsin told me,
"I am tired of defending you all."
694
00:50:25,958 --> 00:50:31,125
I said, "You don't have to
defend me. I'm a grown man.
695
00:50:31,916 --> 00:50:36,708
If you think you need to
sacrifice something, then don't. "
696
00:50:37,750 --> 00:50:41,458
Dad did everything he could
in that situation.
697
00:50:41,708 --> 00:50:43,958
For him,
698
00:50:45,250 --> 00:50:50,791
...the freedom of the press was
very important. He fought for it.
699
00:50:50,958 --> 00:50:53,375
He thought it was
one of the achievements...
700
00:50:53,541 --> 00:50:55,916
...of Russia's young democracy.
701
00:50:56,083 --> 00:50:59,791
Are you worried about the increase
in attacks in the press...
702
00:50:59,958 --> 00:51:02,083
...on First Deputy PM Nemtsov?
703
00:51:03,041 --> 00:51:05,333
I am a little worried,
704
00:51:07,708 --> 00:51:12,166
...but I now know where
it's coming from.
705
00:51:14,208 --> 00:51:18,916
I can't say I'm not worried.
They were my protégés.
706
00:51:21,333 --> 00:51:26,500
But now we've made a deal.
There will be no more pressure.
707
00:51:26,791 --> 00:51:29,791
It was a huge story at the time.
708
00:51:29,958 --> 00:51:35,083
Nemtsov and Chubais
went to Yelstin...
709
00:51:35,750 --> 00:51:38,125
...and persuaded him...
710
00:51:38,541 --> 00:51:45,541
....that Boris Berezovsky,
a businessman and a citizen of Israel,
711
00:51:47,375 --> 00:51:49,916
... essentially headed
the Security Council.
712
00:51:50,083 --> 00:51:51,875
It was outrageous.
713
00:51:52,666 --> 00:51:55,541
What killed my chance
to be the next president...
714
00:51:55,708 --> 00:51:59,708
...was my firm decision
to remove Berezovsky from his position.
715
00:52:00,583 --> 00:52:05,833
Yeltsin had a choice:
either me or Berezovsky.
716
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:09,333
"I won't work with him."
717
00:52:10,333 --> 00:52:12,708
He said, "Don't give me
an ultimatum.
718
00:52:12,875 --> 00:52:15,250
Where is the decision
on Berezovsky?"
719
00:52:15,416 --> 00:52:17,583
I handed it to him.
720
00:52:17,750 --> 00:52:22,291
He took a pen and paper,
he crossed out the word "Decree."
721
00:52:22,875 --> 00:52:26,583
My hair stood on end.
I said, "What are you doing?"
722
00:52:27,333 --> 00:52:30,416
He said, "Why should
I fire Berezovsky by decree?'"
723
00:52:32,333 --> 00:52:33,666
"What do you mean - why?"
724
00:52:33,833 --> 00:52:36,083
"Who the hell is he to get
a presidential decree?
725
00:52:36,250 --> 00:52:38,750
I'll write a directive
to fire him, is that okay?'"
726
00:52:38,916 --> 00:52:41,333
And he starts writing: "Directive."
727
00:52:42,125 --> 00:52:46,166
And signs it. It was quite comical.
728
00:52:46,333 --> 00:52:48,625
When I took this paper
to Chernomyrdin,
729
00:52:48,791 --> 00:52:50,500
...he said: "Are you nuts?"
730
00:52:50,916 --> 00:52:56,291
He threw me out.
I said: "Right, I got it."
731
00:52:57,500 --> 00:53:02,041
When it reached a boiling point,
732
00:53:02,208 --> 00:53:08,708
...he talked to me,
because I knew PR.
733
00:53:09,166 --> 00:53:13,250
"We have to hold
a press conference...
734
00:53:14,125 --> 00:53:17,250
...to announce a battle
against the oligarchs."
735
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:20,875
This topic is urgent.
736
00:53:21,375 --> 00:53:25,875
In a year it might be too late.
737
00:53:26,083 --> 00:53:29,000
I was astonished.
738
00:53:30,750 --> 00:53:36,208
I knew how Yeltsin won in 1996.
739
00:53:36,666 --> 00:53:42,125
He was entangled
with the oligarchs.
740
00:53:42,291 --> 00:53:48,875
It was the price
of his re-election.
741
00:53:49,666 --> 00:53:52,916
But that was Boris.
742
00:53:53,416 --> 00:53:54,833
I told him it was dangerous.
743
00:53:55,000 --> 00:54:00,250
He just declared economic war
between the state...
744
00:54:00,416 --> 00:54:03,000
...and the oligarchs.
745
00:54:03,166 --> 00:54:05,000
That was Boris Nemtsov.
746
00:54:06,583 --> 00:54:11,416
After that I couldn't get on TV.
There was a big campaign against me...
747
00:54:11,583 --> 00:54:13,833
... with Dorenko.
748
00:54:14,166 --> 00:54:17,666
"He did not give Gazprom to Berezovsky.
He didn't give them SvyazInvest.
749
00:54:17,833 --> 00:54:22,000
He had Berezovsky fired.
What a guy, right!"
750
00:54:22,166 --> 00:54:24,458
At a certain point
everyone noticed...
751
00:54:24,625 --> 00:54:27,958
...that Nemtsov's ratings
stopped rising.
752
00:54:28,125 --> 00:54:31,083
They began to fall
for no apparent reason.
753
00:54:31,541 --> 00:54:36,500
WHO WOULD YOU VOTE FOR
IF THE ELECTION WAS THIS SUNDAY?
754
00:54:36,666 --> 00:54:42,541
Mayor Luzhkov overtook Nemtsov
and is now in second place.
755
00:54:42,708 --> 00:54:47,708
I am guilty. I treated him badly.
756
00:54:47,875 --> 00:54:51,291
Later we talked about it.
757
00:54:52,708 --> 00:54:57,291
I started taking note
in every show...
758
00:54:58,041 --> 00:55:01,583
...of how much his rating
fell during that week.
759
00:55:01,750 --> 00:55:09,375
I got millions of my viewers
to speculate on his downfall.
760
00:55:09,583 --> 00:55:12,750
This harmed Boris immensely
as a politician.
761
00:55:13,791 --> 00:55:16,666
It was evident in his ratings,
762
00:55:16,833 --> 00:55:23,000
which were shown on
Kiselyov's show.
763
00:55:23,583 --> 00:55:28,750
I remember they put a red X
on father's photo.
764
00:55:29,208 --> 00:55:33,666
After a month of government crisis,
the career of Nemtsov...
765
00:55:33,916 --> 00:55:40,000
....as a potential candidate
for president of Russia...
766
00:55:40,250 --> 00:55:42,916
... can be crossed off.
767
00:55:43,291 --> 00:55:48,541
He would always say, "Remember
how you put a red X on me?
768
00:55:48,708 --> 00:55:50,250
That was funny."
769
00:55:50,416 --> 00:55:55,083
Someone else might have
held a grudge forever.
770
00:55:55,250 --> 00:55:59,458
When this crisis arose,
771
00:56:01,375 --> 00:56:04,708
...the elite fell apart
772
00:56:05,416 --> 00:56:09,541
...and we understood then -
and can see now -
773
00:56:09,708 --> 00:56:16,875
...the huge role played by TV
in propaganda.
774
00:56:19,958 --> 00:56:23,791
Why didn't Boris and Anatoly
realize what I saw?
775
00:56:25,291 --> 00:56:26,791
I don't know.
776
00:56:27,041 --> 00:56:31,208
People have short-term goals.
777
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:38,875
The men who did this
couldn't imagine,
778
00:56:39,041 --> 00:56:43,250
... that by winning and punishing...
779
00:56:43,833 --> 00:56:49,791
... Chubais and Nemtsov,
they just hurt themselves.
780
00:56:50,875 --> 00:56:56,250
We paid the pensions.
781
00:56:56,541 --> 00:57:02,000
We dramatically cut down
theft from the state budget.
782
00:57:02,333 --> 00:57:04,750
We were able to save
tens of trillions of rubles.
783
00:57:05,250 --> 00:57:08,958
And we were able to halt
economic recession.
784
00:57:09,166 --> 00:57:14,958
We badly needed funds
to plug the holes in the budget.
785
00:57:15,125 --> 00:57:22,166
At the very end of 1997
Chubais reported to Yeltsin...
786
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:30,041
...that we'd paid everything we owed
in salaries.
787
00:57:30,208 --> 00:57:33,541
But it was already clear that
the Asian financial crisis had begun,
788
00:57:34,250 --> 00:57:38,833
...and that our success would
be wiped out very soon.
789
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:42,666
Everyone knows about the president's
decision to dismiss the Cabinet.
790
00:57:45,625 --> 00:57:51,916
Sergei Kiriyenko was made PM.
791
00:57:53,250 --> 00:57:57,875
It was to get the Duma...
792
00:57:58,500 --> 00:58:02,375
...to ratify him.
793
00:58:03,083 --> 00:58:04,583
Why do I remember this?
794
00:58:04,750 --> 00:58:07,750
Because it was a difficult time
for Boris.
795
00:58:13,500 --> 00:58:21,625
Kiriyenko was also from Nizhny.
He headed a bank...
796
00:58:21,958 --> 00:58:24,250
...when Nemtsov was governor.
797
00:58:25,291 --> 00:58:30,916
He was one of the people who had sat
and waited outside his office.
798
00:58:31,375 --> 00:58:37,125
The president cannot disregard
public opinion.
799
00:58:37,333 --> 00:58:42,208
There was pressure from the Duma
and on TV.
800
00:58:42,375 --> 00:58:45,166
Yeltsin didn't watch TV,
but everyone else did.
801
00:58:45,666 --> 00:58:47,750
For Yeltsin,
802
00:58:47,958 --> 00:58:55,333
Boris remained a close associate.
803
00:58:57,083 --> 00:59:01,041
And he thought of him
as a candidate.
804
00:59:01,208 --> 00:59:02,583
But after...
805
00:59:03,458 --> 00:59:06,958
...all the TV attacks...
806
00:59:08,500 --> 00:59:16,125
...on the Cabinet
and him in particular,
807
00:59:16,375 --> 00:59:19,416
...it was clear that he had
no chance...
808
00:59:19,583 --> 00:59:26,583
...of being ratified by the Duma.
So Yeltsin eventually chose Kiriyenko.
809
00:59:28,875 --> 00:59:32,208
We need to make the system work,
810
00:59:33,166 --> 00:59:36,708
...to make it function...
811
00:59:37,208 --> 00:59:40,250
...effectively.
812
00:59:43,083 --> 00:59:44,541
I remember asking him,
813
00:59:47,541 --> 00:59:53,291
"How do you feel now that
Kiriyenko is the head of Cabinet?"
814
00:59:55,166 --> 00:59:58,458
He said, "You know,
it's a temporary solution."
815
01:00:00,708 --> 01:00:02,416
But it wasn't temporary.
816
01:00:02,583 --> 01:00:05,708
Kiriyenko was a much more acceptable
figure for them than Nemtsov.
817
01:00:05,875 --> 01:00:10,416
- Do you know? Have you heard?
- You know already?
818
01:00:12,375 --> 01:00:19,958
They say that your previously
stable position in Cabinet...
819
01:00:21,125 --> 01:00:22,708
...is now shaky.
820
01:00:23,333 --> 01:00:26,875
They've been saying that since
March 17, 1997.
821
01:00:27,708 --> 01:00:30,125
They say the same thing every day.
822
01:00:30,291 --> 01:00:33,333
It's worse. Now it's really worse.
823
01:00:33,500 --> 01:00:37,000
It's very bad, it's lousy,
you're not in the Cabinet anymore.
824
01:00:37,166 --> 01:00:40,666
You don't exist anymore,
you've been crossed off every list.
825
01:00:40,958 --> 01:00:46,125
At some point there was
so much criticism -
826
01:00:46,750 --> 01:00:52,250
...so much one-sided criticism,
827
01:00:53,291 --> 01:00:58,708
...that tension in society reached
the point when Dad had no choice.
828
01:00:59,916 --> 01:01:02,875
In order...
829
01:01:04,708 --> 01:01:10,000
...to protect his own power, I
think, he sacrificed Nemtsov.
830
01:01:12,916 --> 01:01:19,625
In this sense he proved to be
a more rational and pragmatic...
831
01:01:20,125 --> 01:01:23,166
...and successful politician
than Nemtsov.
832
01:01:25,541 --> 01:01:33,375
The so-called reforms have brought
our society to a dead-end.
833
01:01:33,666 --> 01:01:36,083
1998. Miners were banging
their hard hats...
834
01:01:36,250 --> 01:01:40,333
...right next to the White House.
I went down to them.
835
01:01:40,500 --> 01:01:45,916
We talked, sometimes even drank.
They demanded our resignation.
836
01:01:46,083 --> 01:01:49,250
We did not send in the riot police,
although we could have.
837
01:01:49,416 --> 01:01:52,541
They paralysed road traffic,
blocked the railways.
838
01:01:53,041 --> 01:01:55,625
And they were destroying
the Russian economy.
839
01:01:55,791 --> 01:02:00,833
Nothing would have worked out,
if we weren't in dialogue...
840
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:04,416
...with these men,
who had suffered greatly.
841
01:02:04,833 --> 01:02:06,750
We were simply open.
842
01:02:07,166 --> 01:02:10,375
You went down into the mine.
843
01:02:11,291 --> 01:02:16,500
What are your impressions
of what you saw underground?
844
01:02:16,958 --> 01:02:18,916
What kind of work is it?
845
01:02:20,083 --> 01:02:22,791
My impression was awful.
846
01:02:22,958 --> 01:02:30,083
I don't know if a manager in Moscow
or a journalist...
847
01:02:31,916 --> 01:02:34,458
...could stand it for more
than a day.
848
01:02:34,625 --> 01:02:38,291
We don't want
these people in power anymore!
849
01:02:38,458 --> 01:02:42,666
Then came the August default, which
ended with the Cabinet's resignation.
850
01:02:43,416 --> 01:02:48,416
If they had named Jesus Christ
as Russian PM in March 1998 -
851
01:02:48,625 --> 01:02:53,791
...maybe not in August -
but in September or October...
852
01:02:54,666 --> 01:02:57,750
... even with His limitless power,
853
01:02:57,916 --> 01:03:00,375
...the same thing
would have happened.
854
01:03:00,541 --> 01:03:04,500
Boris didn't take part
in the decision...
855
01:03:04,666 --> 01:03:06,250
...on the default.
856
01:03:06,583 --> 01:03:12,500
It was a sign
that he wasn't trusted.
857
01:03:13,458 --> 01:03:21,750
He was a very visible politician
who would have fought the decision.
858
01:03:21,916 --> 01:03:24,875
Everyone already knew
that the decision had been made.
859
01:03:25,208 --> 01:03:28,208
They would default
on their obligations.
860
01:03:28,708 --> 01:03:31,625
Kiriyenko knew.
861
01:03:32,583 --> 01:03:38,166
Khodorkovsky came when he learned
that this decision was about to be made,
862
01:03:38,333 --> 01:03:39,708
...but it was too late.
863
01:03:40,916 --> 01:03:46,666
Yeltsin insisted that Primakov
offer a ministerial position to Nemtsov.
864
01:03:46,833 --> 01:03:50,125
But Boris refused to work
in Primakov's government.
865
01:03:50,291 --> 01:03:54,916
He realized that he needed...
866
01:03:56,041 --> 01:03:58,000
...to work on his career.
867
01:03:58,375 --> 01:04:05,291
Otherwise, he wouldn't go far.
868
01:04:05,625 --> 01:04:07,583
He'd lost trust.
869
01:04:08,833 --> 01:04:14,375
So he started preparing
to become a Duma deputy.
870
01:04:14,916 --> 01:04:18,000
I think Russia must elect
a new president.
871
01:04:18,333 --> 01:04:22,500
He has to be honest,
healthy, responsible.
872
01:04:22,958 --> 01:04:27,541
I'm convinced that the new president
should be Vladimir Putin.
873
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:31,500
If certain well-known people
don't undermine and restrict him,
874
01:04:31,958 --> 01:04:37,083
...he has every chance
of getting the people's vote.
875
01:04:37,250 --> 01:04:39,083
I will support him, in any case.
876
01:04:39,458 --> 01:04:43,708
The decision...
877
01:04:44,500 --> 01:04:51,125
...to run for president...
878
01:04:53,333 --> 01:04:58,041
...on June 4, 2000...
879
01:04:59,791 --> 01:05:01,375
...has been made.
880
01:05:01,791 --> 01:05:08,416
I knew he was Sobchak's assistant and
that he faithfully served Yelstin.
881
01:05:08,625 --> 01:05:12,333
I knew he went to
Berezovsky's birthday parties.
882
01:05:12,625 --> 01:05:16,958
I recall he'd tried to dissuade me
from fighting the oligarchs,
883
01:05:17,125 --> 01:05:20,916
...in particular Gusinsky and Berezovsky,
when we had the SvyazInvest auction.
884
01:05:21,208 --> 01:05:24,791
He told me they were the power
and we were nobodies.
885
01:05:26,125 --> 01:05:31,625
I remember the 1991 coup,
886
01:05:33,083 --> 01:05:41,416
...the crowds on the square
in St. Petersburg,
887
01:05:42,916 --> 01:05:50,250
...and Sobchak telling them
that the USSR was about to fall apart.
888
01:05:50,416 --> 01:05:54,000
That we were democratic Russia.
889
01:05:54,541 --> 01:05:58,041
And next to him stood Putin,
clearly thrilled...
890
01:05:58,500 --> 01:06:01,875
...helping his patron
foment revolution.
891
01:06:03,208 --> 01:06:06,083
And his face did not betray
that this was the moment...
892
01:06:06,250 --> 01:06:10,000
...of the greatest
geopolitical catastrophe.
893
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:23,833
He was thrilled.
You can't fake that.
894
01:06:24,166 --> 01:06:25,750
I saw it with my own eyes.
895
01:06:26,166 --> 01:06:31,916
When the question
of who would lead the FSB arose,
896
01:06:33,500 --> 01:06:38,041
...Chubais actively lobbied
for Putin.
897
01:06:38,458 --> 01:06:43,291
I asked him why, because
I didn't know Putin.
898
01:06:43,708 --> 01:06:47,375
He said, "He's our man."
899
01:06:47,708 --> 01:06:53,625
Freedom of speech, of faith,
freedom of the press, of thought,
900
01:06:54,208 --> 01:07:00,500
...the right to private property - these
basic elements of civilized society...
901
01:07:00,958 --> 01:07:03,666
...will be protected by the state.
902
01:07:04,041 --> 01:07:07,416
The country had to choose
between the old KGB man Primakov...
903
01:07:07,583 --> 01:07:09,666
...and the new KGB man Putin.
904
01:07:10,375 --> 01:07:14,541
That was our choice in the tenth year
of democracy building.
905
01:07:14,875 --> 01:07:21,208
The Duma elections of 1999
were extremely important for...
906
01:07:21,666 --> 01:07:24,833
...Nemtsov's fate in politics.
907
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:29,500
He returned to big politics...
908
01:07:29,666 --> 01:07:33,833
...as one of the leaders of parliament.
909
01:07:35,875 --> 01:07:38,833
The Union of Right Forces,
which he headed...
910
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:44,750
...with Kiriyenko and Hakamada,
ran with the slogan:
911
01:07:46,208 --> 01:07:49,833
"Putin for president,
Kiriyenko for the Duma."
912
01:07:50,125 --> 01:07:54,041
We went around the country,
from Yaroslavl to Irkutsk.
913
01:07:57,083 --> 01:07:59,875
A giant country with
fantastic possibilities.
914
01:08:00,916 --> 01:08:02,375
Wonderful young people.
915
01:08:02,541 --> 01:08:08,500
Gaidar, Nemtsov, and Sysuyev -
we decided to try to form a coalition...
916
01:08:08,666 --> 01:08:10,166
...and get into the parliament.
917
01:08:10,333 --> 01:08:16,875
Then we went to Tatyana Dyachenko,
918
01:08:17,166 --> 01:08:22,541
...who liked the idea.
919
01:08:22,708 --> 01:08:28,916
The centre of it was Chubais,
in the President's administration.
920
01:08:29,083 --> 01:08:33,208
Sysuyev coordinated everything.
And there was Nemtsov.
921
01:08:33,375 --> 01:08:37,833
The two leaders were
Chubais and Nemtsov.
922
01:08:38,041 --> 01:08:40,041
Our base is not just young people.
923
01:08:40,208 --> 01:08:45,666
It's independent people,
and women, too, to be honest.
924
01:08:46,208 --> 01:08:47,958
And smart people.
925
01:08:49,916 --> 01:08:52,500
Boris ran a brilliant campaign.
926
01:08:55,583 --> 01:09:01,875
He had political experience.
It was easy for him to talk to people,
927
01:09:02,041 --> 01:09:05,916
...to common people.
He enjoyed talking.
928
01:09:07,125 --> 01:09:11,750
After he left the Cabinet,
he was even more in his element.
929
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:16,375
The Third Duma was being elected
when Nemtsov was Putin's ally.
930
01:09:16,625 --> 01:09:20,708
Look at me more closely.
You still want me to answer?
931
01:09:21,208 --> 01:09:23,750
- Yes.
- That hurts.
932
01:09:24,166 --> 01:09:27,791
If anyone thinks that our party
is in the Kremlin's pocket,
933
01:09:28,208 --> 01:09:29,666
...they are mistaken.
934
01:09:29,875 --> 01:09:34,416
If the Kremlin does something wrong,
we'll oppose them. And vice versa:
935
01:09:34,583 --> 01:09:37,833
If they make wise choices,
we'll support them.
936
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:45,083
Since we believe in Yeltsin,
and he decided that Putin...
937
01:09:46,458 --> 01:09:49,000
...was effective
and a good Prime Minister,
938
01:09:49,166 --> 01:09:52,375
...then let's put Kiriyenko in the Duma
and make Putin president.
939
01:09:52,833 --> 01:09:54,125
Putin as President.
940
01:09:54,291 --> 01:09:56,416
It was a project
of the Union of Right Forces.
941
01:09:56,583 --> 01:09:59,708
They really wanted it,
and they really worked for it.
942
01:10:00,083 --> 01:10:01,958
And in the end they got it.
943
01:10:02,291 --> 01:10:05,958
And that's where our paths
diverged once and for all.
944
01:10:06,125 --> 01:10:09,333
These teenagers don't vote.
945
01:10:09,500 --> 01:10:12,500
It's OK. They don't vote now.
But they'll vote in the 21st century...
946
01:10:12,666 --> 01:10:13,666
...the right way.
947
01:10:13,833 --> 01:10:17,916
We supported the Union
because we thought it was...
948
01:10:18,250 --> 01:10:25,958
...the correct and legal form
to protect the interests of business.
949
01:10:26,583 --> 01:10:31,166
By then 15-20 percent of people...
950
01:10:32,875 --> 01:10:37,375
...knew what the market was -
951
01:10:38,166 --> 01:10:42,083
...how important it was to make
the market stronger,
952
01:10:42,958 --> 01:10:45,250
...that without...
953
01:10:47,041 --> 01:10:52,125
...this party the Duma would be odd.
954
01:10:52,291 --> 01:10:55,208
It would not represent
a huge segment of society.
955
01:10:55,500 --> 01:10:58,708
Boris's strong point, what made him
the leader of this faction,
956
01:10:58,875 --> 01:11:01,250
...was his good relations
with businesspeople.
957
01:11:01,458 --> 01:11:04,708
They know people's worth,
958
01:11:04,875 --> 01:11:10,875
...especially the people
who'd already been in power.
959
01:11:11,416 --> 01:11:16,791
I think he had a good reputation
with them.
960
01:11:19,791 --> 01:11:27,166
Everyone knew that as governor
he never took bribes.
961
01:11:27,583 --> 01:11:31,166
At least to my knowledge.
962
01:11:31,666 --> 01:11:34,500
The same goes for when
he was the Deputy PM.
963
01:11:34,666 --> 01:11:40,541
Four months before the election
our rating was 1 percent.
964
01:11:40,791 --> 01:11:45,041
The experts said we had no chance.
965
01:11:45,916 --> 01:11:52,125
We took third place...
966
01:11:53,833 --> 01:11:56,041
...with 8.5 percent.
967
01:11:56,208 --> 01:12:00,833
More than five million people
voted for us.
968
01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:05,416
We positioned ourselves as
the party of the middle class -
969
01:12:05,625 --> 01:12:08,625
...a liberal party, with a
program of economic policies,
970
01:12:08,791 --> 01:12:12,958
...but socially-oriented.
This came from the regions.
971
01:12:13,125 --> 01:12:15,125
From Nemtsov.
972
01:12:15,291 --> 01:12:19,666
As a former governor,
973
01:12:20,250 --> 01:12:23,291
...he was never a pure monetarist.
974
01:12:23,458 --> 01:12:27,375
This wasn't senseless populism,
and we didn't want to lie.
975
01:12:27,541 --> 01:12:32,750
We respected people
and knew that without them,
976
01:12:32,916 --> 01:12:34,541
...Russia would not survive.
977
01:12:34,708 --> 01:12:39,083
Citizens needed to be part of the
reforms and like them.
978
01:12:39,416 --> 01:12:43,000
Nemtsov thought at the time
that Putin was a reformer.
979
01:12:43,666 --> 01:12:47,208
That he would continue
market reforms:
980
01:12:47,375 --> 01:12:50,916
...lowering taxes, privatization,
integration with the West.
981
01:12:51,083 --> 01:12:54,708
As for the fact that he wasn't
a democrat - maybe that wasn't so bad.
982
01:12:54,875 --> 01:13:00,041
Our work together when
Boris was in the Duma
983
01:13:00,208 --> 01:13:03,041
...and I was Prime Minister were key
984
01:13:03,208 --> 01:13:06,583
...to passing any law on reforms.
985
01:13:07,166 --> 01:13:09,708
We've been in parliament
since 2003.
986
01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:15,750
Before then, we passed
very liberal tax laws.
987
01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:20,333
We have very low taxes.
Our income tax is 13 percent.
988
01:13:21,125 --> 01:13:23,291
We passed a key
law on land ownership.
989
01:13:23,458 --> 01:13:30,000
Our financial decisions
stabilized the ruble.
990
01:13:30,208 --> 01:13:34,375
Of course, there was opposition.
But we passed these laws.
991
01:13:34,791 --> 01:13:39,083
Putin met with him very often,
since he was the leader of a faction.
992
01:13:39,625 --> 01:13:44,208
He was a public figure,
Yeltsin's favourite.
993
01:13:44,375 --> 01:13:49,166
Putin knew then that he had practically
been made by Yeltsin, too.
994
01:13:49,333 --> 01:13:52,458
So they treated each other
with respect.
995
01:13:52,625 --> 01:13:55,291
Sometimes they got angry
with one another,
996
01:13:55,458 --> 01:13:57,625
...when voting should have
gone differently.
997
01:13:57,791 --> 01:14:04,083
Their relationship
was more than friendly.
998
01:14:04,958 --> 01:14:08,416
Boris never held anyone
at a distance.
999
01:14:09,708 --> 01:14:11,791
It was the same with Putin.
1000
01:14:12,625 --> 01:14:15,000
They were on a first-name basis.
1001
01:14:15,625 --> 01:14:20,041
They could talk about anything.
1002
01:14:20,250 --> 01:14:23,541
Nemtsov initially tried
to work with Putin,
1003
01:14:23,708 --> 01:14:29,375
...since his party had contributed
to his election.
1004
01:14:29,541 --> 01:14:35,416
But their points of contact
and collaboration drifted
1005
01:14:35,791 --> 01:14:39,500
...further and further apart.
1006
01:14:40,375 --> 01:14:44,375
Nemtsov is
in the peanut gallery today.
1007
01:14:44,541 --> 01:14:47,708
I'm sitting with
the best journalists from NTV.
1008
01:14:47,916 --> 01:14:50,833
- And pretty women.
- As always.
1009
01:14:54,416 --> 01:15:02,208
I don't like the name of your show:
"Russia Without NTV."
1010
01:15:02,583 --> 01:15:04,958
And for some reason
everyone is okay with it.
1011
01:15:05,125 --> 01:15:08,250
- There's a question mark there.
- No, there's an exclamation mark.
1012
01:15:08,416 --> 01:15:12,291
In the spring of 2001,
1013
01:15:12,583 --> 01:15:16,750
...it was the final stage
of the fight for NTV...
1014
01:15:17,791 --> 01:15:19,791
...and its future ownership...
1015
01:15:19,958 --> 01:15:23,041
...whether it would remain under
the ownership of Gusinsky...
1016
01:15:23,208 --> 01:15:26,125
...or move under state control.
1017
01:15:26,291 --> 01:15:28,958
Formally it would be owned
by Gazprom, but it was clear...
1018
01:15:29,125 --> 01:15:32,541
...that behind Gazprom
stood the Kremlin and Putin.
1019
01:15:32,708 --> 01:15:37,500
Nemtsov's position was two-sided.
1020
01:15:37,666 --> 01:15:42,083
He was actively involved.
1021
01:15:42,250 --> 01:15:43,708
On the one hand,
1022
01:15:43,875 --> 01:15:51,083
...he was friends with many
key players on the other side.
1023
01:15:52,166 --> 01:15:56,666
On the other hand, Boris was friendly
with me, with Svetlana Sorokina,
1024
01:15:57,458 --> 01:16:02,041
...with other journalists.
1025
01:16:03,583 --> 01:16:06,958
It's bad when journalists are
friendly with politicians.
1026
01:16:07,125 --> 01:16:09,666
But Boris was an exception.
1027
01:16:09,833 --> 01:16:12,291
All the journalists
were friends with him.
1028
01:16:12,458 --> 01:16:16,750
The departure of journalists,
including those sitting next to me -
1029
01:16:21,916 --> 01:16:26,583
... is that good or bad for the country?
It's just awful!
1030
01:16:27,583 --> 01:16:32,083
He was torn in two.
He wanted to help us.
1031
01:16:32,625 --> 01:16:36,750
There are two basic rights
that our party defends.
1032
01:16:36,958 --> 01:16:42,750
We defend freedom
and private property.
1033
01:16:43,291 --> 01:16:50,125
When these values collide,
as was the case with NTV,
1034
01:16:50,291 --> 01:16:54,125
...it's hard to say what's
more important for us.
1035
01:16:54,291 --> 01:16:56,958
To defend property?
Or freedom of speech?
1036
01:16:57,125 --> 01:16:58,833
Both are important to us.
1037
01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:04,458
Boris was very naïve.
1038
01:17:04,625 --> 01:17:12,041
How could you touch a channel that had
a U.S. citizen as a director?
1039
01:17:13,208 --> 01:17:18,625
It would put relations between
Moscow and Washington at risk!
1040
01:17:19,375 --> 01:17:21,333
I think you made a mistake.
1041
01:17:21,500 --> 01:17:27,583
You should have invited Boris Jordan
and Alfred Koch here.
1042
01:17:27,833 --> 01:17:30,625
NTV always showed all the sides.
1043
01:17:30,791 --> 01:17:33,208
We still have time to call them.
1044
01:17:34,083 --> 01:17:37,375
But who will call whom?
1045
01:17:38,041 --> 01:17:41,708
It was not a stupid decision
by the administration...
1046
01:17:41,875 --> 01:17:46,250
...to make Jordan the director or
head of crisis management.
1047
01:17:46,416 --> 01:17:48,875
He is a US citizen.
1048
01:17:49,166 --> 01:17:53,750
I can't imagine the US
shouting about Russia stifling...
1049
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:58,500
...freedom of speech
when a U.S. citizen...
1050
01:17:58,916 --> 01:18:01,541
...is the formal
or an informal head.
1051
01:18:01,708 --> 01:18:06,208
But they chewed up that U.S. citizen
and spat him out.
1052
01:18:07,208 --> 01:18:13,500
And when they fired him, they used
his citizenship against him.
1053
01:18:13,666 --> 01:18:17,750
What was the main lesson of the
destruction of NTV?
1054
01:18:18,625 --> 01:18:20,875
It was the first case...
1055
01:18:21,125 --> 01:18:27,916
...of how they would always,
throughout society,
1056
01:18:28,083 --> 01:18:29,916
...choose a victim.
1057
01:18:30,250 --> 01:18:33,333
And then mercilessly destroy him.
1058
01:18:33,916 --> 01:18:38,833
I have one personal story
that characterizes Putin...
1059
01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:41,625
...and explains why I went
into the opposition.
1060
01:18:42,041 --> 01:18:44,000
It is the story of "Nord-Ost."
1061
01:18:44,250 --> 01:18:48,250
I was head
of the Duma faction then.
1062
01:18:48,416 --> 01:18:51,333
We were there.
1063
01:18:52,708 --> 01:18:56,166
I negotiated with the terrorists,
1064
01:18:56,750 --> 01:19:01,666
...to get them
to release the hostages:
1065
01:19:01,833 --> 01:19:03,708
...women, children,
and old people first.
1066
01:19:03,875 --> 01:19:05,958
Half an hour later
Yastrzhembsky called me.
1067
01:19:06,125 --> 01:19:08,000
He asked me to come and help.
1068
01:19:08,750 --> 01:19:12,583
Then Nemtsov called
and asked where I was going.
1069
01:19:12,750 --> 01:19:14,083
I said, "To the HQ.
1070
01:19:14,250 --> 01:19:18,041
I'm on some list
to conduct negotiations."
1071
01:19:18,208 --> 01:19:19,916
He said: "I'll be right there."
1072
01:19:21,208 --> 01:19:29,125
We agreed that for each day of truce
in Chechnya they would release hostages.
1073
01:19:29,625 --> 01:19:32,291
We decided, based on this
phone conversation...
1074
01:19:32,458 --> 01:19:34,875
...that I would go in to negotiate.
1075
01:19:35,166 --> 01:19:39,083
Then Putin called and said,
1076
01:19:40,583 --> 01:19:43,875
"Anyone can negotiate
but you or Luzhkov.
1077
01:19:44,166 --> 01:19:48,708
I'm the head of the state,
it's a state of emergency.
1078
01:19:48,875 --> 01:19:51,208
I'm asking you.
I'll explain later."
1079
01:19:54,916 --> 01:19:58,666
We have great hope
that they will be released.
1080
01:19:58,833 --> 01:20:00,625
It's very important.
1081
01:20:06,375 --> 01:20:08,416
Then Chubais called and said,
1082
01:20:09,208 --> 01:20:12,708
"The boss doesn't want you
to go there."
1083
01:20:17,875 --> 01:20:20,875
I said, "There are more
than 900 people."
1084
01:20:21,500 --> 01:20:24,791
Then Chubais called
and said the same thing:
1085
01:20:24,958 --> 01:20:27,625
"Don't go." No explanation.
1086
01:20:27,791 --> 01:20:34,166
And it was one of my worst mistakes:
I agreed not to go.
1087
01:20:37,125 --> 01:20:40,000
They used some secret gas,
1088
01:20:40,958 --> 01:20:44,416
...people feel asleep
and then the special ops unit...
1089
01:20:44,666 --> 01:20:48,750
...went in and killed the terrorists.
1090
01:20:49,416 --> 01:20:51,166
But 130 people died.
1091
01:20:54,666 --> 01:20:59,583
I asked Voloshin,
the Chief of Staff,
1092
01:21:00,500 --> 01:21:06,166
...why Putin asked the two of us
to stay away?
1093
01:21:06,875 --> 01:21:10,708
The answer just killed me.
1094
01:21:12,666 --> 01:21:16,916
"Because he was afraid
your ratings would go up.
1095
01:21:17,500 --> 01:21:20,750
He was watching your ratings,
and they were rising."
1096
01:21:20,958 --> 01:21:23,416
Everything started
to collapse after that.
1097
01:21:24,416 --> 01:21:29,416
As Duma deputies we decided
to find out what happened.
1098
01:21:30,250 --> 01:21:34,541
The gas wasn't dangerous.
It just put people to sleep.
1099
01:21:34,708 --> 01:21:39,458
The hostages were not poisoned.
1100
01:21:39,625 --> 01:21:44,625
But they were
evacuated incorrectly.
1101
01:21:45,083 --> 01:21:47,458
They all died of asphyxiation...
1102
01:21:48,916 --> 01:21:56,500
...during their evacuation.
1103
01:21:56,875 --> 01:22:03,833
The article on criminal negligence
and an article that's rarely used -
1104
01:22:04,208 --> 01:22:09,958
...it's on non-disclosure
of information that leads to harm...
1105
01:22:10,291 --> 01:22:12,708
...including death.
1106
01:22:12,875 --> 01:22:15,875
There was no information
about the gas.
1107
01:22:16,125 --> 01:22:21,416
I told Putin: "These people
could have been saved.
1108
01:22:23,458 --> 01:22:27,666
We must file a criminal case
against the evacuation team.
1109
01:22:27,958 --> 01:22:30,583
And prosecute them
for criminal negligence."
1110
01:22:30,750 --> 01:22:31,916
He said, "Why?"
1111
01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:36,791
I said, "So that it doesn't
happen again next time."
1112
01:22:37,375 --> 01:22:39,416
And he said, "These people
are already dead.
1113
01:22:39,583 --> 01:22:40,958
It won't bring them back."
1114
01:22:41,125 --> 01:22:44,875
We can't make these rulings.
1115
01:22:45,041 --> 01:22:49,666
But if they are made by
the Attorney General's Office,
1116
01:22:49,833 --> 01:22:52,750
...by the leadership,
1117
01:22:53,333 --> 01:22:57,208
...it will save dozens of lives.
1118
01:22:58,041 --> 01:22:59,791
That's why we're doing this.
1119
01:22:59,958 --> 01:23:04,125
After meeting with the president,
did you have a feeling it might happen?
1120
01:23:05,416 --> 01:23:06,500
No.
1121
01:23:08,541 --> 01:23:11,333
No, I did not.
1122
01:23:12,791 --> 01:23:17,375
There were four episodes
that formed my opinion of Putin.
1123
01:23:17,541 --> 01:23:20,958
The first one was in 2000...
1124
01:23:21,708 --> 01:23:24,750
...when the Kursk submarine
went down,
1125
01:23:24,958 --> 01:23:30,208
...the men inside were dying,
and Putin was sunbathing in Sochi.
1126
01:23:30,541 --> 01:23:36,500
The second one was in 2002 -
the "Nord-Ost" tragedy.
1127
01:23:37,166 --> 01:23:42,541
The third episode was Khodorkovsky.
October 2003.
1128
01:23:42,791 --> 01:23:48,583
The fourth one was in 2004,
when troops fired on the Beslan school...
1129
01:23:48,750 --> 01:23:52,291
...from grenade launchers and tanks.
More than 300 people died.
1130
01:23:52,458 --> 01:23:56,250
At the time of the 2003 campaign
we were all at odds.
1131
01:23:57,250 --> 01:24:02,333
I told Chubais, "No more games."
1132
01:24:02,750 --> 01:24:05,416
We were hoping Vladimir Putin...
1133
01:24:05,583 --> 01:24:09,750
...was the man who would
move things forward.
1134
01:24:11,041 --> 01:24:13,875
But now it looks like it's time
to join the opposition.
1135
01:24:14,041 --> 01:24:19,416
With all due respect for Putin,
the way he was then.
1136
01:24:20,958 --> 01:24:25,375
He looked at me very seriously
but didn't say a word in response.
1137
01:24:26,583 --> 01:24:31,458
Boris agreed that the Union
of Right Forces would lose.
1138
01:24:31,625 --> 01:24:36,500
The impetus
for the pace of reforms...
1139
01:24:36,666 --> 01:24:38,708
...began to decline in 2003.
1140
01:24:39,500 --> 01:24:42,333
You could say it began
with a meeting...
1141
01:24:42,500 --> 01:24:47,333
...of big business in the Kremlin
in February,
1142
01:24:48,083 --> 01:24:50,750
...when the conflict
with Khodorkovsky began.
1143
01:24:51,375 --> 01:24:56,125
We all sensed the pressure Putin began
to put on the business community.
1144
01:24:56,291 --> 01:25:00,416
They began their campaign as a party
that supported the administration.
1145
01:25:01,333 --> 01:25:05,583
Then a month before the end
they suddenly decided to change...
1146
01:25:05,750 --> 01:25:08,625
...all their rhetoric
to criticism of Putin.
1147
01:25:09,291 --> 01:25:11,083
Everything was going fine.
1148
01:25:11,250 --> 01:25:14,375
We needed to get over
the five-percent threshold.
1149
01:25:14,708 --> 01:25:18,125
We had a media program
that we had already paid for.
1150
01:25:18,791 --> 01:25:23,541
We'd paid for all the materials
and all the airtime.
1151
01:25:23,708 --> 01:25:25,458
Everything was lined up.
1152
01:25:25,666 --> 01:25:29,000
And then at the end of October
they arrested Khodorkovsky.
1153
01:25:29,250 --> 01:25:32,000
Mr. Khodorkovsky remains in custody.
1154
01:25:32,500 --> 01:25:35,875
His lawyers lodged an appeal,
a motion for release on bail,
1155
01:25:36,041 --> 01:25:40,708
...and a list of more than 40 people
to vouch for him personally,
1156
01:25:40,875 --> 01:25:43,500
...including Nemtsov and Yavlinsky.
1157
01:25:43,666 --> 01:25:45,083
They arrested Khorodkovsky.
1158
01:25:45,250 --> 01:25:49,625
Chubais made his famous
appeal to Putin:
1159
01:25:50,250 --> 01:25:53,541
The state has to tell us
why they are doing it.
1160
01:25:53,708 --> 01:25:56,125
What are the grounds for it?
1161
01:25:56,291 --> 01:26:00,791
Chubais was very emotional.
1162
01:26:01,375 --> 01:26:03,458
Putin reined him in.
1163
01:26:03,625 --> 01:26:07,833
From then on we always
supported Khodorkovsky.
1164
01:26:08,083 --> 01:26:15,208
This was accompanied by
a split in our ideological façade.
1165
01:26:15,375 --> 01:26:17,583
Chubais continued
to work for Putin.
1166
01:26:17,750 --> 01:26:20,166
Gaidar continued to work
for the Cabinet.
1167
01:26:20,333 --> 01:26:22,416
Nemtsov and I were in opposition.
1168
01:26:22,583 --> 01:26:27,750
After this I got a call
from Minister Lesin,
1169
01:26:28,833 --> 01:26:33,333
...then from Ernst, Kulistikov,
and Dobrodeyev.
1170
01:26:33,500 --> 01:26:35,791
They all announced that
all of our plans,
1171
01:26:35,958 --> 01:26:39,625
...all of our TV appearances,
1172
01:26:42,125 --> 01:26:44,000
...all of the interviews
we had lined up,
1173
01:26:44,166 --> 01:26:47,291
...including our participation
in a game show...
1174
01:26:47,583 --> 01:26:50,791
...and "While Everyone's Home"
with Chubais -
1175
01:26:50,958 --> 01:26:54,125
...all of it would be cancelled.
1176
01:26:55,333 --> 01:27:00,291
They threw us off the air
for a month and a half.
1177
01:27:00,458 --> 01:27:05,791
They should've had a positive program:
support for business, lowering of taxes,
1178
01:27:05,958 --> 01:27:09,250
...to form a Duma faction
and criticize Putin
1179
01:27:09,416 --> 01:27:12,750
...from that position.
They did the exact opposite.
1180
01:27:12,916 --> 01:27:16,541
This campaign went into
textbooks on political science...
1181
01:27:17,375 --> 01:27:20,958
....as an example of what not to do.
1182
01:27:21,333 --> 01:27:28,750
There was a famous ad
of them in a Gulfstream super jet...
1183
01:27:29,583 --> 01:27:35,833
...sitting on white leather sofas.
1184
01:27:36,500 --> 01:27:42,708
These glamorous hipsters sat there,
1185
01:27:43,166 --> 01:27:48,041
...while in the country it's winter,
it's cold, people are living in poverty.
1186
01:27:48,208 --> 01:27:53,333
And these devils on their white sofa
said things like "Vote for us."
1187
01:27:53,500 --> 01:27:57,166
Russia has millions of modern,
smart, and competent people.
1188
01:27:57,500 --> 01:28:02,375
Only people like this - educated
and sober, free and ambitious -
1189
01:28:02,708 --> 01:28:05,458
...will lead Russia to success.
1190
01:28:05,625 --> 01:28:08,958
Choose your future.
The Union of Right Forces.
1191
01:28:09,125 --> 01:28:14,458
They lived in this circle of young,
1192
01:28:14,958 --> 01:28:16,541
...educated,
1193
01:28:18,291 --> 01:28:23,416
...intellectual, modern...
1194
01:28:26,541 --> 01:28:27,583
...people.
1195
01:28:28,083 --> 01:28:34,708
But they didn't stop to realize...
1196
01:28:35,166 --> 01:28:39,333
...that Russia was completely different.
1197
01:28:40,125 --> 01:28:47,375
We'd love for it to be like them -
educated, intellectual, European -
1198
01:28:48,000 --> 01:28:49,958
...but it's totally different.
1199
01:28:50,208 --> 01:28:53,125
We knew that
in a managed democracy...
1200
01:28:53,291 --> 01:28:56,416
...it's hard to oppose
authoritarian tendencies.
1201
01:28:56,583 --> 01:28:58,208
But it's true.
1202
01:28:58,375 --> 01:29:00,708
They think people
are completely stupid.
1203
01:29:01,041 --> 01:29:04,375
Their party supported this regime.
They created it -
1204
01:29:04,541 --> 01:29:08,625
...first financially, then politically.
1205
01:29:08,875 --> 01:29:12,166
Then they elected Putin president,
1206
01:29:12,375 --> 01:29:14,791
...and Kiriyenko was in the Duma.
1207
01:29:15,041 --> 01:29:19,500
Then the regime dumped them.
1208
01:29:19,708 --> 01:29:23,666
It slowly built its own
authoritarian system.
1209
01:29:24,166 --> 01:29:28,541
I realized that they wouldn't
get the votes...
1210
01:29:28,750 --> 01:29:32,375
...because Russia lived in
a different dimension.
1211
01:29:33,000 --> 01:29:35,833
These may be obvious things,
but they are true all the same.
1212
01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:39,791
They didn't really understand
what Russia needed.
1213
01:29:40,291 --> 01:29:44,708
I think that was the key issue
for the Union of Right Forces.
1214
01:29:44,916 --> 01:29:48,333
Of course, it was hard for Boris.
1215
01:29:48,750 --> 01:29:52,708
But he had a wonderful personality.
1216
01:29:53,125 --> 01:29:58,083
He was different as a politician
and as a man.
1217
01:29:58,791 --> 01:30:02,916
He would wake up
a couple of days later, well-rested.
1218
01:30:03,625 --> 01:30:08,958
He would go to dinner with friends,
meet another pretty girl.
1219
01:30:09,125 --> 01:30:11,416
And he felt much better.
1220
01:30:11,583 --> 01:30:17,875
In 2004-08 Russia experienced
a consumer paradise.
1221
01:30:18,041 --> 01:30:19,458
Over its 1,000-year history...
1222
01:30:19,625 --> 01:30:21,750
...the Russian people
had never lived so well.
1223
01:30:22,083 --> 01:30:25,250
Hence Putin's fantastic ratings.
1224
01:30:25,416 --> 01:30:29,000
Politics became unfashionable.
1225
01:30:29,250 --> 01:30:32,916
Surkov was in charge
of domestic affairs then.
1226
01:30:33,541 --> 01:30:36,583
He did a very simple thing.
1227
01:30:36,791 --> 01:30:40,916
He saw that no one was interested
in politics. So he just liquidated it.
1228
01:30:42,000 --> 01:30:44,916
ORANGE REVOLUTION IN KIEV
NOVEMBER-DECEMBER 2004.
1229
01:30:45,083 --> 01:30:48,208
We need a free
and democratic Ukraine.
1230
01:30:48,750 --> 01:30:52,000
We need a free
and democratic Russia.
1231
01:30:52,791 --> 01:30:58,375
Only together we will be
prosperous and happy.
1232
01:30:58,625 --> 01:31:04,125
Today we must fight not
only for your freedom,
1233
01:31:04,666 --> 01:31:06,000
...but for ours.
1234
01:31:06,416 --> 01:31:09,583
I remember bringing
Boris to Maidan.
1235
01:31:16,875 --> 01:31:19,875
We were walking to the podium
and he said,
1236
01:31:20,291 --> 01:31:22,458
"Can I go out to the people?"
1237
01:31:22,625 --> 01:31:26,208
They were a few meters
from the stage.
1238
01:31:26,375 --> 01:31:29,166
"Can I go?" "Sure."
1239
01:31:29,500 --> 01:31:33,791
Everyone on Maidan loved him.
1240
01:31:34,666 --> 01:31:37,500
A real politician comes to them.
1241
01:31:37,666 --> 01:31:40,416
And they can talk to him
face-to-face.
1242
01:31:40,583 --> 01:31:45,458
We can show that we are two nations
that can still be democratic...
1243
01:31:45,625 --> 01:31:49,625
...and European
with high living standards.
1244
01:31:49,958 --> 01:31:54,000
This appealed to the people
tremendously.
1245
01:31:57,041 --> 01:32:04,166
They absolutely adored him
on Maidan.
1246
01:32:04,333 --> 01:32:07,625
That was obvious.
1247
01:32:09,958 --> 01:32:12,625
He came back to Moscow
a changed man.
1248
01:32:12,791 --> 01:32:15,250
He was captivated
by the revolutionary spirit.
1249
01:32:15,458 --> 01:32:21,083
He'd wanted to retreat
into private life, to make money.
1250
01:32:21,250 --> 01:32:24,958
Like he'd done everything
he could in politics...
1251
01:32:25,125 --> 01:32:28,000
...and now he needed to think
about his family and kids.
1252
01:32:28,166 --> 01:32:32,791
This 2004 revolution
changed all his plans.
1253
01:32:34,583 --> 01:32:37,541
Very few people in Russia...
1254
01:32:38,541 --> 01:32:42,666
...are ready to risk their freedom
and their well-being.
1255
01:32:42,958 --> 01:32:47,125
This is due to our tragic history.
1256
01:32:47,791 --> 01:32:53,166
I mean the Civil War, the GULAG,
the repressions, communism.
1257
01:32:53,333 --> 01:32:56,916
But I don't really...
1258
01:32:58,541 --> 01:33:00,583
...have a choice.
1259
01:33:00,875 --> 01:33:04,291
I am on a path
and there's no escaping.
1260
01:33:04,458 --> 01:33:07,333
As soon as he lost everything,
he was out on the street.
1261
01:33:07,500 --> 01:33:09,791
He realized there was no going back...
1262
01:33:10,166 --> 01:33:13,125
...and decided to go into opposition.
1263
01:33:13,291 --> 01:33:20,500
He was always emotional.
He moved directly, straightforwardly.
1264
01:33:20,875 --> 01:33:23,375
Plus, he held a grudge
because of "Nord-Ost."
1265
01:33:23,541 --> 01:33:27,291
There were nasty rumours
about him from the Kremlin.
1266
01:33:27,458 --> 01:33:30,500
He thought
they came from the president.
1267
01:33:30,791 --> 01:33:33,541
And the was an element
of competition underneath.
1268
01:33:33,708 --> 01:33:36,291
If Yeltsin had chosen me,
1269
01:33:37,333 --> 01:33:39,666
...things would have be different.
1270
01:33:40,708 --> 01:33:42,916
I was his close friend.
1271
01:33:43,500 --> 01:33:46,416
At least at that time
we saw each other a lot.
1272
01:33:47,000 --> 01:33:50,000
He appealed to me as his friend:
1273
01:33:50,375 --> 01:33:53,250
"I've lost my job,
and you have a huge business.
1274
01:33:53,416 --> 01:33:56,833
Can't you hire me so I could
make a living somehow?"
1275
01:33:57,000 --> 01:33:58,833
I was very blunt with him.
1276
01:33:59,000 --> 01:34:01,375
I told him that he had to change,
1277
01:34:01,541 --> 01:34:04,125
...and I didn't believe that
for a second.
1278
01:34:04,291 --> 01:34:06,875
Knowing him,
it was out of the question.
1279
01:34:07,041 --> 01:34:12,666
He was destined to go to Maidan
and to make his speeches.
1280
01:34:12,833 --> 01:34:14,875
That was clear from the beginning.
1281
01:34:15,291 --> 01:34:19,250
I said, "Boris, you are going
to continue with politics.
1282
01:34:19,416 --> 01:34:22,583
I know you. You won't be able
to keep your mouth shut.
1283
01:34:23,416 --> 01:34:25,750
You are going to speak your mind.
1284
01:34:25,916 --> 01:34:29,083
But this will harm my work.
I can't afford it."
1285
01:34:29,250 --> 01:34:33,958
Boris always took things well.
1286
01:34:35,541 --> 01:34:39,166
He knew I was right.
1287
01:34:39,875 --> 01:34:43,958
So he didn't take offence.
1288
01:34:44,375 --> 01:34:47,458
We spent the night together in a cell.
1289
01:34:47,625 --> 01:34:49,083
We talked all night long.
1290
01:34:49,250 --> 01:34:53,375
This must have been
my longest talk with him.
1291
01:34:53,583 --> 01:34:59,250
I saw him as a man of the '90s -
a good man,
1292
01:34:59,416 --> 01:35:04,833
...and yet someone
who brings political trouble.
1293
01:35:05,000 --> 01:35:07,375
He felt bad about it all.
1294
01:35:09,166 --> 01:35:12,458
The only '90s politician...
1295
01:35:12,625 --> 01:35:17,000
...who really was an honest man.
1296
01:35:17,208 --> 01:35:20,041
He was relatively young.
1297
01:35:20,916 --> 01:35:25,708
But all these negative things
had stuck to him.
1298
01:35:25,875 --> 01:35:29,208
I said, "Boris, it's a problem,
You're a good man.
1299
01:35:29,375 --> 01:35:33,166
You understand everything.
But the '90s are a liability."
1300
01:35:34,541 --> 01:35:37,166
How he met someone
wearing white pants...
1301
01:35:37,666 --> 01:35:40,458
...the privatization that he
didn't take part in,
1302
01:35:40,625 --> 01:35:43,625
...but everyone accused him of it.
1303
01:35:43,791 --> 01:35:48,375
He was blamed for all the horrors
and problems of Yeltsin's team.
1304
01:35:48,541 --> 01:35:51,791
He was the symbol of it all.
1305
01:35:51,958 --> 01:35:55,000
I said, "Let's do something
about it."
1306
01:35:55,166 --> 01:36:00,375
But he already knew
that it was impossible.
1307
01:36:00,541 --> 01:36:01,958
Each era has its leaders.
1308
01:36:02,125 --> 01:36:08,416
He understood when we
didn't put him in our top three.
1309
01:36:08,583 --> 01:36:11,333
Because he would have been a target.
1310
01:36:13,416 --> 01:36:14,666
He was fine with it.
1311
01:36:14,833 --> 01:36:17,416
For instance, when I ran
for mayor of Moscow,
1312
01:36:17,583 --> 01:36:20,250
...I didn't want him to come
and support me...
1313
01:36:20,416 --> 01:36:23,625
...because it would bring
more trouble than good.
1314
01:36:23,791 --> 01:36:29,625
I knew that if I kept
being friends with him like before,
1315
01:36:29,791 --> 01:36:36,416
...before his strident opposition
to the authorities,
1316
01:36:42,250 --> 01:36:47,250
...no one would believe
that I wasn't giving him...
1317
01:36:47,416 --> 01:36:50,791
...financial support,
1318
01:36:51,208 --> 01:36:56,250
...or involved in politics with him.
1319
01:36:57,500 --> 01:37:02,958
Our continuing friendship
would be toxic for my business,
1320
01:37:03,125 --> 01:37:07,666
...for my partners and colleagues.
1321
01:37:07,958 --> 01:37:10,291
I told him that.
He knew it, too.
1322
01:37:10,541 --> 01:37:13,208
He knew I couldn't risk it.
1323
01:37:14,125 --> 01:37:18,458
Unfortunately, this led
to spending much less time...
1324
01:37:19,083 --> 01:37:21,916
...than I could
with a man who was smart,
1325
01:37:22,833 --> 01:37:28,125
...decent, honest,
interesting, and a friend.
1326
01:37:28,875 --> 01:37:32,750
I had no idea
that he had so little time left.
1327
01:37:33,583 --> 01:37:36,750
I bitterly regret this, of course.
1328
01:37:37,208 --> 01:37:41,500
It is one
of my greatest disappointments.
1329
01:37:42,250 --> 01:37:45,041
I sometimes told him:
"Boris, you are like an Eskimo.
1330
01:37:45,208 --> 01:37:48,541
You say what you see.
You are not a politician.
1331
01:37:48,958 --> 01:37:53,041
A politician says what
others want to hear.
1332
01:37:53,208 --> 01:37:56,000
And in a way, that's also
a form of professionalism.
1333
01:37:56,166 --> 01:37:57,958
What you are
is a human rights activist.
1334
01:37:58,125 --> 01:38:02,291
Politics is the art of compromise.
1335
01:38:02,458 --> 01:38:04,208
And you are uncompromising.
1336
01:38:04,375 --> 01:38:06,791
If you are convinced of something,
1337
01:38:06,958 --> 01:38:08,625
...you won't make a deal.
1338
01:38:09,125 --> 01:38:12,583
Everyone loved Boris.
Because he was free.
1339
01:38:12,750 --> 01:38:16,041
He wasn't afraid of anything or anyone.
It was very appealing.
1340
01:38:16,208 --> 01:38:19,250
I was initially sceptical
about Nemtsov.
1341
01:38:19,416 --> 01:38:20,916
I'd been in the Yabloko party,
1342
01:38:21,083 --> 01:38:24,333
...which had a conflict
with the Union of Right Forces.
1343
01:38:24,666 --> 01:38:26,708
Then I started having problems
in the party.
1344
01:38:26,875 --> 01:38:28,916
And Nemtsov amazed me
by suddenly calling me.
1345
01:38:30,833 --> 01:38:34,041
"This is Nemtsov.
What's going on?
1346
01:38:34,208 --> 01:38:37,208
Are they really going to expel you?
How can I help you?"
1347
01:38:37,375 --> 01:38:40,875
I was so amazed that
a man I don't know at all...
1348
01:38:41,208 --> 01:38:44,166
...called to ask how I was doing
and offer his help.
1349
01:38:44,833 --> 01:38:47,666
He treated everyone the same way.
1350
01:38:47,833 --> 01:38:52,000
He could pick up the phone
and call an activist in Krasnodar,
1351
01:38:52,208 --> 01:38:55,333
...or in the Komi Republic and say,
"How are you doing?
1352
01:38:55,500 --> 01:38:58,291
I read on Twitter
that there's pressure on you.
1353
01:38:58,458 --> 01:38:59,625
How can I help?"
1354
01:38:59,791 --> 01:39:02,708
He told me all the time,
with a sort of regret,
1355
01:39:02,875 --> 01:39:05,458
"I know I will never be president.
1356
01:39:05,625 --> 01:39:09,708
I won't run, so I'm ready to help.
1357
01:39:10,541 --> 01:39:12,833
ARREST
DECEMBER 31, 2010
1358
01:39:13,000 --> 01:39:16,416
Happy New Year without Putin!
1359
01:39:19,083 --> 01:39:25,750
In 2010 on December 31
there was a protest rally...
1360
01:39:25,916 --> 01:39:28,458
...in support of Article 31
of the Constitution...
1361
01:39:28,625 --> 01:39:31,458
...on the freedom of assembly.
1362
01:39:37,625 --> 01:39:39,791
And we got divorced that day, too.
1363
01:39:46,666 --> 01:39:49,208
We all went: me, Zhanna, and Boris.
1364
01:39:49,500 --> 01:39:54,291
I usually celebrate New Year's...
1365
01:39:54,583 --> 01:39:59,125
...with salads, champagne
and my family...
1366
01:39:59,291 --> 01:40:00,750
They had a permit to demonstrate.
1367
01:40:01,541 --> 01:40:03,291
It's almost midnight.
1368
01:40:03,458 --> 01:40:07,625
But a year ago
an important event occurred.
1369
01:40:08,416 --> 01:40:16,291
Lyudmila Alekseyeva went out
on this same square a year ago.
1370
01:40:17,875 --> 01:40:22,916
A huge group of special ops officers,
like the ones around us now,
1371
01:40:25,541 --> 01:40:28,916
...twisted her arms
and pushed into a police bus.
1372
01:40:29,083 --> 01:40:30,750
She was 82 years old.
1373
01:40:30,916 --> 01:40:33,666
She had her arms twisted
and she was pushed into a police bus.
1374
01:40:33,833 --> 01:40:36,166
After that, we had to come here.
1375
01:40:36,541 --> 01:40:42,333
I am grateful to all of you
for coming here. It's a serious deed.
1376
01:40:42,625 --> 01:40:44,916
You didn't come here for yourself.
1377
01:40:45,583 --> 01:40:48,708
You came so that
our country could be free.
1378
01:40:49,041 --> 01:40:54,333
We insisted on our right
to freedom of assembly.
1379
01:40:54,500 --> 01:40:57,541
The authorities wanted
to restrict that right.
1380
01:40:57,833 --> 01:41:01,791
Russia deserves better, my friends.
1381
01:41:02,500 --> 01:41:07,916
Why do we want to gather here,
on New Year's Eve?
1382
01:41:08,666 --> 01:41:14,333
Because we think that
the crooked, despicable authorities...
1383
01:41:14,750 --> 01:41:19,333
...must be thrown the hell out,
cast into the dustbin of history.
1384
01:41:19,583 --> 01:41:25,458
The rally was authorized.
There were no violations.
1385
01:41:25,708 --> 01:41:28,208
We demand the cessation
of censorship.
1386
01:41:28,666 --> 01:41:31,750
We demand fair elections.
1387
01:41:31,916 --> 01:41:36,166
We want both the left and the right,
1388
01:41:36,333 --> 01:41:37,833
...both patriots and centrists,
1389
01:41:38,041 --> 01:41:42,375
...everyone representing the citizens
of our vast country...
1390
01:41:42,583 --> 01:41:46,625
...could convene in the Duma
and solve our common problems.
1391
01:41:46,791 --> 01:41:54,958
Boris and I left the stage
and walked together towards Tverskaya.
1392
01:41:56,000 --> 01:41:59,458
This is my oldest daughter.
She's here for the first time.
1393
01:42:01,000 --> 01:42:04,041
Suddenly, out of nowhere,
1394
01:42:05,375 --> 01:42:10,291
...there's a crowd of
special police units.
1395
01:42:11,166 --> 01:42:14,000
Move away from the road.
1396
01:42:14,625 --> 01:42:17,666
I was just shocked.
I shouted, "Boris!"
1397
01:42:22,750 --> 01:42:26,250
They just surrounded Boris.
1398
01:42:38,750 --> 01:42:42,208
We were suddenly grabbed
and brutally pushed...
1399
01:42:43,083 --> 01:42:45,708
...into police buses
and driven to different precincts.
1400
01:42:59,916 --> 01:43:04,125
He spent the New Year
in a concrete cell.
1401
01:43:04,291 --> 01:43:08,083
Right away, for some reason,
he was isolated from the others.
1402
01:43:08,250 --> 01:43:11,916
They put him in a windowless cell.
1403
01:43:14,416 --> 01:43:17,541
I got bed linen, but he didn't.
1404
01:43:17,916 --> 01:43:19,833
He really was mistreated.
1405
01:43:20,166 --> 01:43:23,541
We met in a couple of days,
1406
01:43:23,708 --> 01:43:27,375
...because the court was closed
for the holidays.
1407
01:43:27,833 --> 01:43:30,041
After two days he didn't look well.
1408
01:43:30,208 --> 01:43:31,708
He was pale, clearly tired.
1409
01:43:31,875 --> 01:43:35,000
His back ached because
he had slept on the concrete floor...
1410
01:43:35,166 --> 01:43:36,666
...for two nights.
1411
01:43:38,250 --> 01:43:39,458
I can walk myself.
1412
01:43:39,625 --> 01:43:45,916
They put a guy with TB
in the bed next to him.
1413
01:43:46,250 --> 01:43:52,000
He coughed right next to him
for half of his detention period.
1414
01:43:52,541 --> 01:43:58,791
Many were surprised
that you were not given a chair...
1415
01:43:58,958 --> 01:44:04,708
...for the five-hour hearing
with Judge Borovkova.
1416
01:44:04,875 --> 01:44:06,875
Did that really happen?
They just didn't give you a chair?
1417
01:44:07,041 --> 01:44:08,166
And you stood for five hours?
1418
01:44:08,333 --> 01:44:11,541
I spent 40 hours in that cell.
1419
01:44:12,000 --> 01:44:14,708
I couldn't sleep properly
in there to be honest.
1420
01:44:14,875 --> 01:44:20,750
I hoped that when I got to court,
I'd at least be able to take a load off.
1421
01:44:21,375 --> 01:44:22,583
I was wrong.
1422
01:44:22,750 --> 01:44:25,791
At the very beginning my attorney
said the defendant needed a chair.
1423
01:44:25,958 --> 01:44:27,708
She said there were too many people.
1424
01:44:27,875 --> 01:44:29,708
"There will be no chair.
Let him stand."
1425
01:44:29,875 --> 01:44:35,125
I visited his detention cell
a day or two later.
1426
01:44:35,291 --> 01:44:39,750
I brought some newspapers, fruit,
1427
01:44:40,291 --> 01:44:44,750
...and thick woollen socks.
1428
01:44:45,458 --> 01:44:49,375
He was very grateful
because it was cold.
1429
01:44:50,541 --> 01:44:55,625
Our cell - or pad, as they call it,
was a room...
1430
01:44:55,791 --> 01:44:59,541
...about 40 square meters.
1431
01:44:59,708 --> 01:45:01,916
There were between three
and 15 people in it.
1432
01:45:02,625 --> 01:45:06,250
You could smoke, so it was
filled with bluish smoke.
1433
01:45:06,416 --> 01:45:11,291
There's no mirror,
and the toilet is right there.
1434
01:45:11,833 --> 01:45:15,666
I said to the guy in charge,
"How about some dignity?
1435
01:45:15,833 --> 01:45:19,375
Let's put a partition there
so that everyone doesn't have to...
1436
01:45:19,541 --> 01:45:22,916
...witness the scatological processes."
1437
01:45:23,083 --> 01:45:26,416
It was a rare occasion.
1438
01:45:27,583 --> 01:45:29,875
After his arrest...
1439
01:45:32,041 --> 01:45:36,166
...he shared his impressions with me...
1440
01:45:36,791 --> 01:45:38,791
...and he was genuinely sad...
1441
01:45:39,791 --> 01:45:41,291
...about what he'd gone through.
1442
01:45:41,541 --> 01:45:45,041
He could take a punch. He didn't
want to go to jail, of course.
1443
01:45:45,208 --> 01:45:50,750
He thought he'd die there.
He had health issues.
1444
01:45:51,166 --> 01:45:54,875
He always said, "If they put me away
for five or ten years,
1445
01:45:55,083 --> 01:45:59,666
...I won't survive like Khodorkovsky.
They'll kill me in there."
1446
01:45:59,875 --> 01:46:02,333
It was a sensation.
1447
01:46:02,500 --> 01:46:05,250
He was a former Deputy Prime Minister.
1448
01:46:05,750 --> 01:46:08,708
He's nearly been
the president's successor, after all.
1449
01:46:08,875 --> 01:46:11,541
As he liked to say,
"I was Putin's boss."
1450
01:46:12,041 --> 01:46:13,916
There was a funny story.
1451
01:46:14,083 --> 01:46:18,916
They were the two Cabinet members
who were always late for meetings.
1452
01:46:19,083 --> 01:46:22,333
Putin is famous for being late.
Nemtsov was, too.
1453
01:46:22,500 --> 01:46:26,375
They would always try to outrun
each other in the corridor,
1454
01:46:26,541 --> 01:46:31,458
...because Yeltsin would scold
whoever was the last to arrive.
1455
01:46:31,666 --> 01:46:36,333
He told us how he'd helped Putin
get an apartment for FSB officers.
1456
01:46:36,500 --> 01:46:38,250
They had a good relationship.
1457
01:46:38,541 --> 01:46:41,708
They lived near each another.
1458
01:46:42,000 --> 01:46:43,750
As he explained,
1459
01:46:44,166 --> 01:46:47,041
...he was a man from the system.
So they understood him.
1460
01:46:47,208 --> 01:46:48,750
They don't like him.
1461
01:46:48,916 --> 01:46:54,125
But within their system of values,
there are untouchables.
1462
01:46:54,291 --> 01:46:58,000
A former minister
is someone you can't touch.
1463
01:46:58,166 --> 01:47:01,166
You can throw a toilet on his car.
1464
01:47:01,333 --> 01:47:07,875
You can discredit him
and say bad things.
1465
01:47:08,208 --> 01:47:10,291
But you can't jail him.
1466
01:47:10,791 --> 01:47:13,791
You can't hit him,
and you can't kill him.
1467
01:47:13,958 --> 01:47:20,125
I met him when he was released.
There were journalists there, too.
1468
01:47:21,083 --> 01:47:26,791
They wanted to scare me,
they wanted to put pressure on me.
1469
01:47:27,083 --> 01:47:30,958
You know, being put
into a cell with stone walls...
1470
01:47:31,375 --> 01:47:33,958
...on New Year's Eve -
it's a scare tactic.
1471
01:47:34,166 --> 01:47:38,750
But they didn't scare me.
They didn't break me.
1472
01:47:39,041 --> 01:47:42,208
I feel feisty.
1473
01:47:42,375 --> 01:47:44,291
We went to a café.
1474
01:47:44,666 --> 01:47:49,000
He didn't feel well.
We wanted to have dinner.
1475
01:47:49,583 --> 01:47:51,541
When we were leaving...
1476
01:47:51,708 --> 01:47:55,375
...some young Nashi activists
tried to catch him with a butterfly net.
1477
01:47:55,541 --> 01:47:57,166
It was their favourite trick.
1478
01:47:57,750 --> 01:48:00,750
But they couldn't
Father's reactions were too quick.
1479
01:48:00,916 --> 01:48:05,500
I wanted to run after them,
but it was too icy and they got away.
1480
01:48:06,291 --> 01:48:08,875
In Putin's Russia, laws don't work.
1481
01:48:09,708 --> 01:48:12,875
To be in the opposition means
to put your life, your freedom...
1482
01:48:13,041 --> 01:48:16,041
...the lives of your loved ones
at risk.
1483
01:48:16,958 --> 01:48:22,916
Of course, I don't want to die.
But there is no risk of being killed.
1484
01:48:23,375 --> 01:48:29,250
I was sure, though, that I'd face...
1485
01:48:29,791 --> 01:48:34,291
...criminal or political prosecution.
And I was right.
1486
01:48:35,125 --> 01:48:40,833
It was the live call-in show
that Putin likes so much.
1487
01:48:41,000 --> 01:48:43,958
He said, "I have a question here.
1488
01:48:44,125 --> 01:48:48,333
What do you think about Nemtsov,
Ryzhkov, and that gang?
1489
01:48:48,500 --> 01:48:52,500
What do Nemtsov, Ryzhkov, Milov
and their gang want?"
1490
01:48:52,666 --> 01:48:54,666
Money and power, what else?
1491
01:48:55,125 --> 01:48:58,833
He said, "They were racketeers
in the 1990s.
1492
01:48:59,041 --> 01:49:01,416
They stole billions with Berezovsky...
1493
01:49:01,583 --> 01:49:03,833
...and now they're trying
to get back in power."
1494
01:49:04,875 --> 01:49:08,375
They were racketeers in the 1990s.
1495
01:49:10,666 --> 01:49:14,250
They stole billions...
1496
01:49:19,875 --> 01:49:25,625
...together with those Berezovskys
and the others in prison now.
1497
01:49:26,333 --> 01:49:32,666
Their illegal money supply was cut off.
Now they've spent their money.
1498
01:49:33,166 --> 01:49:37,750
They want to come back
and fill their pockets again.
1499
01:49:38,291 --> 01:49:41,708
He named three people:
me, Nemtsov, and Milov.
1500
01:49:42,666 --> 01:49:49,708
Milov couldn't have stolen money -
he was still in school.
1501
01:49:49,875 --> 01:49:56,166
Nemtsov and I also
didn't steal money with Berezovsky.
1502
01:49:56,416 --> 01:50:01,500
Nemtsov was against Berezovsky
and the privatization of SvyazInvest.
1503
01:50:01,750 --> 01:50:05,250
Berezovsky was one of the ones
who smeared Nemtsov.
1504
01:50:05,458 --> 01:50:10,750
To accuse Nemtsov of racketeering
with Berezovsky was ludicrous.
1505
01:50:11,000 --> 01:50:13,708
But if we let them,
1506
01:50:13,875 --> 01:50:17,333
...they wouldn't be satisfied
with billions.
1507
01:50:17,500 --> 01:50:19,291
They'd sell off all of Russia.
1508
01:50:19,541 --> 01:50:21,666
We filed a lawsuit against Putin...
1509
01:50:21,833 --> 01:50:26,208
...to defend the honour and dignity
of Ryzhkov, Nemtsov, and Milov.
1510
01:50:26,375 --> 01:50:28,500
Do you know how his lawyer
got him off the hook?
1511
01:50:28,666 --> 01:50:32,541
She said that when Putin
said our names,
1512
01:50:32,791 --> 01:50:37,333
...he didn't mean real people.
1513
01:50:37,541 --> 01:50:41,416
He used them as lower-case common
nouns - the ryzhkovs and nemtsovs.
1514
01:50:41,750 --> 01:50:45,458
Since they were symbolic,
there was no slander.
1515
01:50:45,625 --> 01:50:48,291
And the judge said,
"OK, if there isn't, there isn't."
1516
01:50:49,083 --> 01:50:54,958
If you got Putin alone
somewhere quiet...
1517
01:50:56,666 --> 01:50:59,500
...and poured him a drink
and asked why he did it...
1518
01:50:59,666 --> 01:51:02,541
...he'd say, "Oh, stop it.
Of course I know...
1519
01:51:02,708 --> 01:51:05,958
...that Boris is an honest man who
has never stolen a thing.
1520
01:51:06,125 --> 01:51:10,250
I know this better than anyone."
1521
01:51:11,458 --> 01:51:12,708
What should we do?
1522
01:51:12,875 --> 01:51:16,875
First - tell people the truth
of who they are.
1523
01:51:17,250 --> 01:51:19,750
We did this in samizdat,
Russian self-publishing:
1524
01:51:19,916 --> 01:51:22,833
"The Putin Report. The Results."
We published a million copies.
1525
01:51:23,000 --> 01:51:24,583
They confiscated the books.
1526
01:51:24,750 --> 01:51:27,250
They checked it
for extremism many times.
1527
01:51:27,416 --> 01:51:28,708
They didn't find anything.
1528
01:51:28,875 --> 01:51:32,083
The second thing.
Putin's Russia is not a place for talk.
1529
01:51:32,250 --> 01:51:36,625
The only effective politics
is done on the street.
1530
01:51:37,208 --> 01:51:40,291
No one has said it better
than Pushkin:
1531
01:51:43,625 --> 01:51:47,750
"While freedom's flame within us lives,
While we by honour's voice are guided,
1532
01:51:48,416 --> 01:51:51,958
To Russia, comrade, let us give
Our spirits whole and undivided.
1533
01:51:52,166 --> 01:51:54,125
Dear friend, have faith:
the wakeful skies
1534
01:51:54,291 --> 01:51:55,666
Presage a dawn of wonder - Russia
1535
01:51:55,833 --> 01:51:59,333
Shall from her age-old sleep arise,
(though everyone believes the opposite)
1536
01:51:59,500 --> 01:52:03,083
And despotism impatient crushing,
Upon its ruins our names incise!"
1537
01:52:04,083 --> 01:52:06,166
Because political life didn't exist,
1538
01:52:06,958 --> 01:52:12,583
...he had to join the picket line...
1539
01:52:14,000 --> 01:52:16,041
...with slogans and banners...
1540
01:52:16,500 --> 01:52:18,916
...including rallies without permits.
1541
01:52:19,208 --> 01:52:24,375
We have lots of footage of Nemtsov
being detained by the police -
1542
01:52:25,166 --> 01:52:29,000
...loading him on paddy wagons.
1543
01:52:30,791 --> 01:52:34,750
Boris being released after 15 days
behind bars.
1544
01:52:35,416 --> 01:52:39,208
Boris being attacked by Nashi youth.
1545
01:52:40,083 --> 01:52:44,458
Someone throwing a toilet
onto his car.
1546
01:52:45,125 --> 01:52:49,875
Someone spraying ammonia in his face.
1547
01:52:50,458 --> 01:52:52,000
And all that.
1548
01:52:53,041 --> 01:52:57,333
When you're involved in protest,
you don't see revolutionary romanticism.
1549
01:52:57,708 --> 01:52:59,958
You see broken lives.
1550
01:53:00,125 --> 01:53:03,958
You see your comrades
killed or put in jail.
1551
01:53:04,208 --> 01:53:06,458
It became clear...
1552
01:53:09,250 --> 01:53:13,583
...that he'd be the dissident,
like usual.
1553
01:53:13,791 --> 01:53:15,541
You have to bring three shirts.
1554
01:53:15,708 --> 01:53:18,000
The first one will be hit
by rotten eggs,
1555
01:53:18,166 --> 01:53:19,333
...the second by tomatoes.
1556
01:53:19,500 --> 01:53:22,250
You make it to the press conference
in the third shirt.
1557
01:53:25,500 --> 01:53:26,833
Say that you love Putin.
1558
01:53:27,000 --> 01:53:28,458
I love Putin, and I love Medvedev.
1559
01:53:28,625 --> 01:53:30,416
Now tell me how much
you love them for.
1560
01:53:30,583 --> 01:53:34,333
They are hooligans: you catch them,
and the cops let them go.
1561
01:53:34,500 --> 01:53:38,625
You see the police organizing them.
It's maddening.
1562
01:53:38,791 --> 01:53:42,875
They always try to catch you
off balance.
1563
01:53:43,041 --> 01:53:46,208
These petty hooligans
don't dare get near to you.
1564
01:53:46,416 --> 01:53:49,166
You just want to hit them
in the face.
1565
01:53:49,333 --> 01:53:53,083
But if you do, they've file
a complaint against you.
1566
01:53:53,250 --> 01:53:58,708
Boris was a man who loved
classic male gestures.
1567
01:53:58,875 --> 01:54:02,041
If a guy started picking on him,
he wanted to hit him.
1568
01:54:02,458 --> 01:54:05,083
Move along,
you're blocking the way.
1569
01:54:07,041 --> 01:54:09,250
- Are we in the way?
- Yes.
1570
01:54:09,458 --> 01:54:11,791
- No one's walking here.
- Yet.
1571
01:54:11,958 --> 01:54:16,291
Well, organize a demonstration.
So that we're actually in the way.
1572
01:54:16,458 --> 01:54:18,166
You're not in the way. Yet.
1573
01:54:18,333 --> 01:54:20,208
That's why I asked you to move along.
1574
01:54:20,375 --> 01:54:21,750
We're leaving now. Don't worry.
1575
01:54:21,916 --> 01:54:23,625
- When exactly is "now"?
- In a minute.
1576
01:54:23,791 --> 01:54:26,875
From the inside, you only see
the mudslinging and dirty tricks.
1577
01:54:27,041 --> 01:54:32,958
That's why it's so hard to find
the strength to keep fighting.
1578
01:54:33,125 --> 01:54:38,166
He was sure he wouldn't be killed.
100 percent sure. I asked why?
1579
01:54:38,333 --> 01:54:42,125
"Because I was in the highest
echelons of power.
1580
01:54:42,375 --> 01:54:49,333
After Stalin, or, rather,
after Beria's execution in 1953,
1581
01:54:49,583 --> 01:54:53,000
...no one from this level
was killed in Russia."
1582
01:54:55,208 --> 01:54:58,458
You can't see anything from up front.
1583
01:54:58,666 --> 01:55:00,791
I can't see where this crowd ends.
1584
01:55:01,208 --> 01:55:06,750
Can you imagine
how many of us there are?
1585
01:55:07,333 --> 01:55:10,125
They blocked our website.
1586
01:55:10,291 --> 01:55:12,958
They hacked our LiveJournal accounts.
1587
01:55:13,125 --> 01:55:16,250
They deleted information
about the rally.
1588
01:55:16,416 --> 01:55:19,750
And still, despite the rain,
the repression,
1589
01:55:19,916 --> 01:55:22,083
...and no one being let in...
1590
01:55:22,250 --> 01:55:25,833
...there are so many of us here.
1591
01:55:26,041 --> 01:55:30,041
This means we'll win!
1592
01:55:30,625 --> 01:55:33,166
On December 5, 2011,
1593
01:55:34,125 --> 01:55:36,458
...something extraordinary happened.
1594
01:55:37,416 --> 01:55:40,833
First there was a rally
at Chistiye Prudy.
1595
01:55:42,500 --> 01:55:46,041
It was organized by the people who'd
held rallies there for seven years...
1596
01:55:46,208 --> 01:55:48,291
...with an average attendance
of 300 people.
1597
01:55:48,458 --> 01:55:51,833
We knew them all by sight.
1598
01:55:52,000 --> 01:55:55,458
The same people went to our rallies
and to Limonov's rallies.
1599
01:55:55,625 --> 01:55:58,875
We were just a bunch of freaks,
1600
01:55:59,041 --> 01:56:00,791
...doing God knows what.
1601
01:56:01,000 --> 01:56:02,833
Then suddenly
7,000 people showed up.
1602
01:56:03,208 --> 01:56:08,333
There are hundreds
of brave people here...
1603
01:56:08,500 --> 01:56:13,083
....observers at
the so-called elections.
1604
01:56:13,583 --> 01:56:19,583
We have to do all we can
so that criminal action is taken...
1605
01:56:19,875 --> 01:56:25,958
...against the scum
who stole our vote.
1606
01:56:26,208 --> 01:56:30,166
It was a rally of desperation.
1607
01:56:31,333 --> 01:56:34,708
We asked people to vote
for any party but United Russia.
1608
01:56:35,333 --> 01:56:37,750
Many people heard our plea.
1609
01:56:38,083 --> 01:56:43,708
As a result, in Moscow
the authorities had to falsify...
1610
01:56:43,875 --> 01:56:47,583
...the vote for United Russia to win.
They didn't have enough votes.
1611
01:56:47,791 --> 01:56:51,791
You could see the violations
in hundreds of videos online.
1612
01:56:54,708 --> 01:56:59,666
After the rally there was
an unauthorized march.
1613
01:57:00,000 --> 01:57:02,208
Several hundred people
were arrested.
1614
01:57:02,375 --> 01:57:06,500
About 100 of them, me included,
got from 10 to 15 days in jail.
1615
01:57:06,666 --> 01:57:09,375
This was the start
of the protest movement in Moscow.
1616
01:57:09,666 --> 01:57:14,916
As a reaction to all this,
about a hundred thousand people...
1617
01:57:15,083 --> 01:57:17,333
...took to the streets.
1618
01:57:17,541 --> 01:57:21,666
It was the movement of 2011 and 2012...
1619
01:57:21,875 --> 01:57:28,041
...that we recall with nostalgia.
1620
01:57:28,541 --> 01:57:32,625
Suddenly we saw tens of thousands
sign up on social media...
1621
01:57:32,791 --> 01:57:35,916
...to come to the event
on Bolotnaya Square.
1622
01:57:36,083 --> 01:57:37,916
Then the authorities panicked.
1623
01:57:38,166 --> 01:57:39,500
Nemtsov came up with the idea...
1624
01:57:39,666 --> 01:57:41,625
...of the Organizing Committee
for Protests.
1625
01:57:42,083 --> 01:57:47,166
He invited me, Navalny, Parkhomenko,
1626
01:57:47,750 --> 01:57:53,333
...Boris Akunin, Oleg Kashin, and others.
1627
01:57:53,583 --> 01:57:59,791
Boris put this coalition together.
1628
01:58:00,333 --> 01:58:02,583
Good afternoon, Moscow!
1629
01:58:04,166 --> 01:58:06,833
Free and proud Moscow.
1630
01:58:07,041 --> 01:58:11,500
All these people from Parnas,
Yabloko...
1631
01:58:11,708 --> 01:58:18,375
...communists, Union of Right Forces,
hipsters, the intelligentsia...
1632
01:58:18,541 --> 01:58:22,166
...all said:
"Let's go, let's demand."
1633
01:58:22,916 --> 01:58:25,708
At first there were about 55,000,
1634
01:58:25,958 --> 01:58:29,041
...but on December 20 we had a huge
turn-out on Sakharov Square.
1635
01:58:29,208 --> 01:58:31,541
120,000 came - a great success.
1636
01:58:32,041 --> 01:58:35,250
The rally was right in claiming
that the elections had been stolen.
1637
01:58:35,416 --> 01:58:38,125
Russia ended up where it is
because of those elected deputies,
1638
01:58:38,291 --> 01:58:39,791
...we got isolationism.
1639
01:58:40,250 --> 01:58:44,125
They don't stand up to anything.
They just vote "yes."
1640
01:58:45,416 --> 01:58:50,708
The stolen votes
led to today's crisis.
1641
01:58:50,958 --> 01:58:53,375
So the people on Bolotnaya
were absolutely right.
1642
01:58:59,791 --> 01:59:01,250
Nemstov...
1643
01:59:02,333 --> 01:59:07,791
...took active part
in organizing that march...
1644
01:59:08,875 --> 01:59:12,833
...which ended in a crack-down
and the Bolotnaya court case.
1645
01:59:13,250 --> 01:59:16,500
He was very afraid
that it would end in tragedy.
1646
01:59:16,666 --> 01:59:21,875
He always tried
to prevent bloodshed.
1647
01:59:35,125 --> 01:59:39,458
We were marching to the rally
on Bolotnaya Square...
1648
01:59:39,625 --> 01:59:42,875
...to demand annulment of the results
and a new election.
1649
01:59:43,458 --> 01:59:46,458
At some point we came up against
a line of police.
1650
01:59:46,625 --> 01:59:50,333
They blocked the entry
to the place where the rally was.
1651
01:59:51,708 --> 01:59:54,291
So we sat down on the pavement.
1652
01:59:55,125 --> 01:59:56,791
We called it a sit-in.
1653
01:59:56,958 --> 02:00:00,791
We showed that we meant peace.
1654
02:00:01,125 --> 02:00:08,416
Let's all sit down and show
that we are peaceful citizens.
1655
02:00:08,583 --> 02:00:12,625
We don't want bloodshed.
We want truth.
1656
02:00:13,416 --> 02:00:17,791
The police units moved in,
starting a horrible stampede.
1657
02:00:17,958 --> 02:00:21,625
People screaming, falling, fainting.
1658
02:00:21,791 --> 02:00:25,666
It was a miracle that no one died.
1659
02:00:26,375 --> 02:00:28,583
Then they began to hit people.
1660
02:00:28,833 --> 02:00:30,708
Nemtsov tried to organize people.
1661
02:00:30,875 --> 02:00:32,958
He got to the stage
and started speaking.
1662
02:00:34,458 --> 02:00:37,833
They dragged him off the stage.
1663
02:00:42,500 --> 02:00:44,875
Russia has never seen
anything like this!
1664
02:01:00,250 --> 02:01:02,750
We'll get through it! Victory!
1665
02:01:06,166 --> 02:01:13,083
I hope that in three or four years
the intelligentsia...
1666
02:01:13,250 --> 02:01:15,708
...will get out of politics...
1667
02:01:15,916 --> 02:01:21,041
...so they can all be
left alone to work.
1668
02:01:21,208 --> 02:01:24,083
We won't stay in politics for long.
1669
02:01:24,250 --> 02:01:26,541
I mean the intelligentsia.
1670
02:01:27,583 --> 02:01:34,625
Tomorrow we'll dock official cars
for representatives.
1671
02:01:34,916 --> 02:01:37,625
Do you know about this?
We'll abolish official cars.
1672
02:01:37,791 --> 02:01:43,041
- I support you fully.
- Thank you, dear!
1673
02:01:43,250 --> 02:01:46,458
In Russia if you were once
a Deputy Prime Minister..
1674
02:01:46,625 --> 02:01:49,750
... you're a Deputy Prime Minister
until you die.
1675
02:01:50,125 --> 02:01:52,125
Not Nemtsov.
1676
02:01:52,291 --> 02:01:55,875
He walked the city, convincing
old ladies to vote for him.
1677
02:01:56,333 --> 02:01:58,833
It you vote for Parnas,
1678
02:01:59,291 --> 02:02:06,041
I'll live here and work
in the local Duma.
1679
02:02:06,208 --> 02:02:09,500
He told me wanted
to run in Yaroslavl.
1680
02:02:09,958 --> 02:02:12,083
The situation in the city
was very difficult.
1681
02:02:12,250 --> 02:02:14,291
We had long discussions,
long arguments,
1682
02:02:14,458 --> 02:02:16,458
...and decided to take part
in that campaign.
1683
02:02:16,625 --> 02:02:19,333
I laughed at his campaign.
1684
02:02:19,500 --> 02:02:24,875
You with your privatization,
your white pants, your Moscow face...
1685
02:02:25,041 --> 02:02:28,250
...with newspaper stories
about your 15 wives...
1686
02:02:28,416 --> 02:02:33,375
...you won't get anywhere
in the provinces.
1687
02:02:33,541 --> 02:02:35,708
But he did.
1688
02:02:35,875 --> 02:02:38,208
This was really impressive.
1689
02:02:38,583 --> 02:02:42,500
After he won the elections,
he bought an apartment in Yaroslavl.
1690
02:02:43,250 --> 02:02:46,250
He was active in the local Duma.
1691
02:02:46,416 --> 02:02:49,916
He got some good results,
even though he was really in minority.
1692
02:02:50,083 --> 02:02:51,625
One against all.
1693
02:02:52,291 --> 02:02:54,708
Many local bureaucrats
told him privately,
1694
02:02:54,875 --> 02:02:58,583
"We can't do what you're doing,
but you're doing great."
1695
02:02:59,500 --> 02:03:03,750
This is great. Super-gadget.
1696
02:03:04,000 --> 02:03:06,083
How did you do it?
1697
02:03:07,583 --> 02:03:12,750
We're walking...
1698
02:03:12,916 --> 02:03:16,166
...along the boulevards.
1699
02:03:16,500 --> 02:03:23,291
Boris is the only politician
to be reincarnated.
1700
02:03:23,458 --> 02:03:27,791
No other politician from the 1990s...
1701
02:03:27,958 --> 02:03:30,375
...whom everyone hated could do it.
1702
02:03:30,541 --> 02:03:33,500
But he was in some other
political dimension.
1703
02:03:33,666 --> 02:03:37,875
He still had terrible ratings.
A lot of people still didn't like him.
1704
02:03:38,041 --> 02:03:40,916
But he was in politics.
1705
02:03:41,083 --> 02:03:44,458
He ran for a local office.
He had influence.
1706
02:03:44,625 --> 02:03:49,708
Tonight Boris Nemtsov is with us.
1707
02:03:49,875 --> 02:03:52,958
We're talking about the scheduled
anti-crisis march.
1708
02:03:53,125 --> 02:03:55,708
Who came up with the name?
1709
02:03:56,333 --> 02:03:58,666
And why is the state flag
your symbol?
1710
02:03:58,833 --> 02:04:04,041
It's the first time the opposition
is flying the state flag.
1711
02:04:04,875 --> 02:04:10,250
For me personally, this flag
is the symbol of freedom.
1712
02:04:10,416 --> 02:04:16,250
I defended the White House in 1991
under the tricolor flag.
1713
02:04:16,625 --> 02:04:20,458
When we defeated the coup,
1714
02:04:21,625 --> 02:04:24,791
...we raised this flag
over the White House.
1715
02:04:24,958 --> 02:04:29,166
This flag is dear to me. Important.
And it is a symbol of freedom.
1716
02:04:29,875 --> 02:04:33,625
After Nemtsov's murder,
leaving Russia is unthinkable.
1717
02:04:33,791 --> 02:04:36,416
It would be a betrayal
of his memory.
1718
02:04:36,625 --> 02:04:42,666
Whatever happens, whatever danger,
leaving isn't an option.
1719
02:04:42,916 --> 02:04:44,541
Because Nemtsov stayed.
1720
02:04:44,708 --> 02:04:47,291
And he paid for what
he believed in with his life.
1721
02:04:48,125 --> 02:04:50,958
I think that...
1722
02:04:55,500 --> 02:04:56,708
Boris...
1723
02:05:01,333 --> 02:05:03,250
...would have wanted
to die this way.
1724
02:05:05,291 --> 02:05:09,500
I think I get him.
1725
02:05:10,625 --> 02:05:13,208
He was recklessly courageous.
1726
02:05:16,750 --> 02:05:18,583
In front of many people.
1727
02:05:22,333 --> 02:05:27,125
On the bridge leading to the Kremlin.
1728
02:05:29,250 --> 02:05:30,416
Shot by...
1729
02:05:34,958 --> 02:05:37,000
...a real enemy.
1730
02:05:38,208 --> 02:05:43,250
Not by accident. It's a good death.
1731
02:05:51,416 --> 02:05:53,958
People who fought for freedom,
1732
02:05:54,125 --> 02:05:57,708
...the Decembrists and their successors,
and now us...
1733
02:05:58,166 --> 02:06:01,083
...have played a crucial role
in the life of Russia.
1734
02:06:01,250 --> 02:06:02,916
But they were always a minority.
1735
02:06:03,083 --> 02:06:06,541
They moved the country forward often
at the expense of their own life.
1736
02:06:06,708 --> 02:06:10,958
Like Alexander II,
like Stolypin, who was killed.
1737
02:06:11,125 --> 02:06:15,041
Like Gorbachev and Yeltsin,
who were not killed physically...
1738
02:06:15,208 --> 02:06:16,833
...but were morally destroyed.
1739
02:06:17,000 --> 02:06:18,625
But I'll be back.
1740
02:06:18,958 --> 02:06:20,750
You needn't worry.
1741
02:06:20,916 --> 02:06:22,333
100 percent.
1742
02:06:26,500 --> 02:06:30,000
DIRECTED BY
VERA KRICHEVSKAYA
1743
02:06:31,541 --> 02:06:35,916
WRITTEN BY MIKHAIL FISHMAN,
VERA KRICHEVSKAYA
1744
02:06:48,666 --> 02:06:54,208
MUSIC BY
ANDREY MAKAREVICH
1745
02:09:56,791 --> 02:10:01,125
PRODUCED BY
YEVGENY GINDILIS,
1746
02:10:01,541 --> 02:10:06,000
VERA KRICHEVSKAYA,
MIKHAIL FISHMAN
136164
Can't find what you're looking for?
Get subtitles in any language from opensubtitles.com, and translate them here.