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With the slasher films,
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the rock stars
are the killers.
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You don't know what pain is!
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Everybody has this dark side
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that needs to be filled.
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West used to call Freddy
the bastard stepfather
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of us all.
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This killer that can kill you
in your dreams.
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Candyman.
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It doesn't get much scarier
than that.
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Be my victim.
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You're never gonna
catch him.
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Everybody's a suspect.
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I think the fun of "Scream"
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is the self-awareness...
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Oh, you wanna play
psycho killer?
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And the deconstruction
of the horror genre.
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The entire audience
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jumped out of their skin.
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In a movie,
we have a chance to...
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almost externalize
the fears that we have.
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Could I saw off my leg
if I had to?
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We invented a whole new term.
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Torture porn became
the cathartic release.
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You have to work
with the dark side.
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Horror is the only genre
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where it's flattering
if somebody says,
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"Ah, I couldn't watch
your movie.
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Had to leave."
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Oh, my God!
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We're not allowed to be
scared anywhere in life.
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You can't be scared at work.
But for 90 minutes,
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you can be afraid
and not be a coward.
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After John Carpenter's
"Halloween"
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made box office history
in 1978,
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slasher films
ruled the screen.
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But by 1984,
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audience fatigue
and critical backlash
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had taken hold.
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Slashers looked dead
in the water.
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But the genre
was only sleeping.
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I'm certainly not the first
girl to play a woman character
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who fights to the death
in a battle against a monster.
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There will always be men
and there will always be women
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who are, you know,
forced to be that person.
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So "Nightmare on Elm Street"
is about a group of four kids,
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teenagers, who realize
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that they've all shared
the same nightmare.
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- Eee.
- Nancy...
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you dreamed about
the same creep I did.
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That's impossible.
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And they don't really think
anything about it
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until each one of them,
one by one,
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starts dying in their dreams.
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No. No. No!
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No!
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No!
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My character wants
to figure out,
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like, why this is happening,
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who it is that's killing them.
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And so the movie's about
Nancy's quest
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to discover Freddy Krueger
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and why he did it.
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He did it as an act
of vengeance against
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some vigilante parents
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who killed him
in a boiler room.
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Who are you?
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Freddy Krueger
was a child murderer,
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and there isn't anything funny
about that.
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They kind of gloss over
that later.
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The creation
of Freddy Krueger,
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this man who had knives
for fingers
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who would come to children
in their dreams
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and kill them,
was terrifying.
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It was just a terrifying idea.
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I mean,
"Nightmare on Elm Street"
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is the next quantum leap
forward,
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- I think, in horror.
- Yeah, definitely.
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I mean, this killer
that can kill you
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- in your dreams.
- Yeah.
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So suddenly you have
a slasher whose arm...
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It crosses
into the supernatural.
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It crosses into
the supernatural, yeah.
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It is a blend
of supernatural and slashers.
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The rules of any sort
of world don't apply.
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- Right.
- I think that's what made
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Freddy Krueger
such a unique character.
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It just took us
to a different place.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Wes Craven was a visionary,
I think,
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in terms of fear,
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understanding what that...
what that could be
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and maximizing that
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in these broad strokes,
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which "Nightmare
on Elm Street" has.
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What is one
of the earliest things
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I can think of as a weapon
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that would have terrified
human beings?
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The cave bear reaching around
the corner
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with his massive mitt
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with daggers on the end
of every finger.
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That's primal.
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Even the colors.
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I read an article on
the two most difficult colors
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for the iris... or the retina
to see next to each other
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were those two colors.
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And then finding an actor
who was brilliant
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and who could bring it to life.
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Wes used to call Freddy
the bastard stepfather
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of us all.
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But when I got the part,
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I didn't know
what I was gonna do.
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And the makeup sessions
informed
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a lot of what I did.
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They were dabbing at me
with a crusty brush
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and basting me
like a turkey
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with Vaseline so that I
picked up the light better.
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And in comes Johnny Depp
and Heather Langenkamp,
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arguably the two most
attractive young people
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in the world at that moment,
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and it got me angry and envious
of their youth and their beauty
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and the fact
that these two kids
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had their whole careers
ahead of them.
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And I went, "Wait a minute.
I can use that."
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This is just a dream!
He isn't real!
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He isn't real!
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Of course, all my fights
with Freddy
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were fantastic,
and we would work on them
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for a long time.
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Once the camera was rolling,
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you know, we got into
our characters,
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and I bashed him over the head
with a coffeepot.
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I think the real reason
it had
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such a massive audience
and still does
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is, every single one
of the films
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has a really strong,
well-written survivor girl.
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Come out and show yourself,
you bastard!
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So something
really interesting
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about Nancy Thompson
in "A Nightmare on Elm Street"
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is that it's sort of her
breaking free
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from this chain of suburbia
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being this ideal
because her family is broken.
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Nancy.
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I'm gonna go
and get the guy who did it.
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And I want you to be there
to arrest him
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when I bring him out, okay?
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Just tell me who did it.
I'll go get him, baby.
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Fred Krueger did it, Daddy.
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Her father,
while, I think, very loving,
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is very inept.
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He refuses to believe her.
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Her mother's an alcoholic.
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She breaks free from it
by destroying the home,
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thereby destroying
Freddy Krueger,
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who came because her parents
had killed him.
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I guess I'd say my very first
fans were young gay men.
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And they told me
that they were using Nancy
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as they faced their folks
or their parents
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or their families
in revealing their true selves.
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I take back every bit
of energy I gave you.
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You're nothing.
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And they expressed to me
that it was just, like...
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it was their Freddy, you know,
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just, like, that scary thing
that they have to face,
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that they have to fight.
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I would often listen
to all sorts of people
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talk about what
their Freddy was.
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And, I mean,
it can be anything,
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I'm telling you.
It can be anything.
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Kids who were bullied
would tell me
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that they would use the images
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of "Nightmare on Elm Street"
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to help them face bullies
in their life.
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You think you was gonna
get away from me?
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I know you too well now,
Freddy.
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You know, Wes Craven
probably never knew
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how many he people
he was gonna help
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by creating this Nancy-Freddy
dynamic.
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It seems to me
there were several
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peak nightmares,
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that the first one
was really terrifying,
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but there was a couple others
way downstream
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that were really satisfying
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and did interesting things
intellectually.
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There's a lot of echoes
to Kafka,
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you know, and that,
insects and other things.
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Freddy Krueger's
pretty terrifying
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in the first
"Nightmare on Elm Street."
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Watch this.
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But he became
a one-line reader.
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How's this for a wet dream?
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Silly, funny, like, puns
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and double entendres.
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This is it, Jennifer.
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Your big break in TV.
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Welcome to prime time, bitch.
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With a joke here,
a joke there,
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a wisecrack here, there,
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it makes it easier
to set them up
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for another dark sequence
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or another horrific thing
or just a cheap-thrill scare.
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Got your nose!
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Did we go too far sometimes?
Perhaps.
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And did we load it up
too much?
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Sometimes, perhaps, yeah.
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I'll get you, my pretty,
and your little soul too.
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You know, I've been,
you know,
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listening to
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what... how crowds respond
to horror
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for most of my life.
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You know, talking about
sort of...
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with the Freddy movies,
with the Freddy sequels...
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- Mm-hmm.
- How a black theater could...
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You know, the relationship
to Freddy
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is almost... is closer
than it is to the victims
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- of those movies.
- Of course.
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- Right? Of course.
- You identify with Freddy.
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He's funny.
You identify with him.
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There's... you know him.
You don't know
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these new mother
coming to get killed.
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- Right.
- They're just sheep
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for the slaughter.
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No!
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By the way,
we're identifying with Freddy,
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the child murderer.
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Yes, but black people
also love them some Jason...
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- Yes.
- And some Michael Myers.
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No!
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There's something
about these...
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first of all, these characters
that don't give a...
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- Mm-hmm.
- That are cold-blooded...
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That I think scratches
an itch,
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a frustrated itch,
a societally frustrated itch.
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That itch
would be scratched
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by a slasher with a hook,
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a monster driven by love
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and the need to kill.
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Be my victim.
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Candyman.
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Candyman.
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Candyman.
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"Candyman," in a nutshell,
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is a dark love story.
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Virginia Madsen and I
were deeply in love
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in another life.
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Candyman was an artist,
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and unfortunately
her father was a racist.
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Had him lynched,
cut off his arm,
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and replaced it with a hook.
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And he was trying
to reclaim his lost love
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by getting her to honor,
you know,
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him as a mystery man.
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Oh!!
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What "Candyman" tried to do
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was using slavery
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and some of the violence
of slavery
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to explain the emergence
of this monstrous character
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who, if you say his name
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into a mirror five times...
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Dare you.
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both: Candyman.
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Candyman.
Candyman.
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Candyman.
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He comes if you just say
his name.
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Candyman.
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It doesn't get much scarier
than that.
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Most slasher films
start with
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a traumatic experience
that happens
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as, like, a... sort of a
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precursor to where the film
is set in modern day.
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The trauma itself serves
as a triggering effect
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for the killer
in the present time.
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What's so interesting
about that is that
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a lot of it is based
in loss and grief.
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It had a real impact
on a lot of audiences.
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Black audiences because, hey,
even though
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he's the monster...
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Believe in me.
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Be my victim.
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We will turn out to see
blacks in a horror film.
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It was based
on Clive Barker's book
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"The Forbidden."
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And I think what Bernard Rose,
the director and writer,
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did brilliantly
was to transpose it
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to Cabrini-Green,
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which is now gone
but was one of the most
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dangerous housing projects
in America.
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I thought "Candyman"
was really cool
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because, you know,
you're so used to seeing
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these traditional
haunted house movies,
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and it's, like, the opposite.
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The setting is so gritty.
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I think "Candyman"
is intended more
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for a white audience.
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It's looking at kind of
the fear of the urban setting,
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and Cabrini-Green
and the sprawl
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of poverty in Chicago
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and what might
come out of that.
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Damn it.
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One of the brilliant things
about the film
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is that he doesn't appear
until 45 minutes into...
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into the film.
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He's spoken about.
They mytholize him.
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Everybody's scared.
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He... he could come right through
these walls, you know.
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I-I'm scared.
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Scared for my child.
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They ain't never gonna
catch him.
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Who?
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Candyman.
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I think some audiences
were troubled
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because so many of the people
he killed were black.
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So if it was
a straight revenge story,
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he would have been
killing nothing
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but white people, right?
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But the residents
of this project
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were also his victims.
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If you were to explain,
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"Well, it's about
this black dude who was
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"murdered for having sex
with a white lady,
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"and then he comes back
and hunts the white lady
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and lots of other people too,"
you'd be like,
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"Nah, I don't think
we're gonna make that movie."
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You know what I mean?
But somehow,
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through his level
of magnetism and charm,
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he manages
to make Candyman someone...
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I don't know if they love him,
but who they love to fear.
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Be my victim.
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Be my victim.
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He's got a passion.
He wants what he wants.
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And this
is his unrequited love.
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This is the woman
that got away,
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the woman that he cherished,
you know?
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And it happens to be
in a horrific environment,
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but, you know,
he'd do anything for her.
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Even kill her
if they can die together.
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Your death would be a tale
to frighten children,
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to make lovers cling closer
in their rapture.
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Come with me
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and be immortal.
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I think that mixture
of terror and empathy
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is very powerful.
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Every great work
of horror fiction
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is an exercise
in extreme empathy.
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It's about falling in love
with characters
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and then staying with them
as they endure the worst.
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- No!
- And he's an iconic monster.
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He had bees
coming out of his mouth.
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He had bees all over his face.
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We used over 100,000 bees
on that set.
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It was all practicals,
which is... you know,
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totally makes a difference.
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I think I got maybe 26 stings
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altogether,
but they were
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an essential part to...
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creating the terror
for the situation.
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You know,
what happens to a ghost
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if he's still living flesh?
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Will he be inhabited
by maggots?
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00:16:01,178 --> 00:16:03,467
Well, then we chose bees
'cause...
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they're just that... you know,
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00:16:04,923 --> 00:16:06,796
every kid is afraid
of a bee sting.
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00:16:09,127 --> 00:16:11,291
You know, there's nothing
ambiguous about horror.
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Horror is an engine.
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00:16:13,495 --> 00:16:15,826
It's like
a great white shark.
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It has a purpose,
something it wants to do.
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It wants to scare you.
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00:16:20,736 --> 00:16:23,524
And in that way,
that lack of ambiguity
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is really freeing
as a filmmaker
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'cause you know
what you're trying to do.
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Help! Help me!
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It's a beautiful thing
to play with,
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and it's even more beautiful
thing when it works.
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00:16:38,505 --> 00:16:40,127
Candyman is an icon,
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00:16:40,169 --> 00:16:42,957
one of the great
supernatural monsters.
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00:16:42,998 --> 00:16:47,035
But the masked serial killer
was ready to make a comeback
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00:16:47,077 --> 00:16:48,699
with a postmodern twist.
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00:16:54,775 --> 00:16:57,271
Slashers kind of go away
for a while.
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00:16:57,313 --> 00:16:58,621
Like, once we're sort of
out of weapons...
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00:17:02,972 --> 00:17:04,970
I think the public starts
to get bored of it.
381
00:17:05,011 --> 00:17:07,206
Well, there were so...
and there were so many sequels.
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00:17:10,296 --> 00:17:12,085
And they were always
diminishing returns.
383
00:17:12,127 --> 00:17:14,124
Exactly, and they were never
about being scary.
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00:17:14,166 --> 00:17:15,664
And then "Scream" comes along.
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00:17:29,729 --> 00:17:31,476
My whole goal
when writing "Scream" was,
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I wanted a horror movie
to sort of
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live and breathe
in a time
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where the other horror movies
existed.
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If you were the only suspect
in a senseless bloodbath...
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00:17:42,879 --> 00:17:45,001
would you be standing
in the horror section?
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00:17:45,042 --> 00:17:46,416
Kevin was smart enough
to make it
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00:17:46,457 --> 00:17:47,640
not about the filmmakers
and the actors
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00:17:47,664 --> 00:17:49,287
but about the audience.
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00:17:49,328 --> 00:17:51,285
"Scream" is the story
of Sidney Prescott.
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And it's one year after
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00:17:53,073 --> 00:17:55,404
the horrific murder
of her mother.
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Just when she's about to have
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00:17:57,152 --> 00:17:58,899
some semblance
of her normal life,
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00:17:58,941 --> 00:18:00,647
just when she's starting
to trust again
400
00:18:00,689 --> 00:18:02,520
and she's starting
to date again
401
00:18:02,561 --> 00:18:04,684
and she's got her boyfriend,
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00:18:04,724 --> 00:18:06,282
on the anniversary
of her mother's death,
403
00:18:06,306 --> 00:18:07,762
murders start occurring
404
00:18:07,804 --> 00:18:09,611
as it looks like perhaps
someone takes their love
405
00:18:09,635 --> 00:18:11,050
of scary movies too far.
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00:18:14,088 --> 00:18:16,459
And they start using
horror movie lingo
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00:18:16,501 --> 00:18:18,457
as a way to stalk
and kill victims.
408
00:18:18,499 --> 00:18:20,329
You never told me your name.
409
00:18:20,371 --> 00:18:21,994
Why do you want to know
my name?
410
00:18:22,035 --> 00:18:23,866
'Cause I want to know
who I'm looking at.
411
00:18:25,531 --> 00:18:27,196
What did you say?
412
00:18:27,237 --> 00:18:29,734
The opening of "Scream"
is so iconic at this point.
413
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And it's so masterfully done.
414
00:18:31,815 --> 00:18:34,144
That is Wes Craven
at the height of his career.
415
00:18:34,186 --> 00:18:36,101
It happens. Take it easy.
416
00:18:40,677 --> 00:18:43,466
The thing about Wes Craven
is that the scary stuff
417
00:18:43,508 --> 00:18:45,214
comes instinctive to him.
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00:18:45,255 --> 00:18:47,252
And I think he has
a really great eye
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00:18:47,294 --> 00:18:50,332
and a sensibility to stage it
and to craft it.
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00:18:50,373 --> 00:18:53,369
The tracking shots
behind Drew Barrymore
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00:18:53,411 --> 00:18:55,326
as she just sort of walks
through this very...
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00:18:55,366 --> 00:18:58,238
this shadowed house and she
moves in and out of light,
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00:18:58,280 --> 00:18:59,903
it beautifully sets the pace.
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00:18:59,944 --> 00:19:01,484
You know,
when to dutch the angle,
425
00:19:01,525 --> 00:19:03,356
when to... you know,
when to pull back,
426
00:19:03,398 --> 00:19:05,188
when to go wide,
when to go close.
427
00:19:07,601 --> 00:19:09,075
The interesting thing
about that is,
428
00:19:09,099 --> 00:19:10,971
you have...
at that time, certainly...
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00:19:11,013 --> 00:19:13,718
your most famous cast member
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00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:15,216
dying right away.
431
00:19:15,257 --> 00:19:17,005
So it really sort of tells
an audience,
432
00:19:17,047 --> 00:19:20,500
"You have no idea
what to expect."
433
00:19:20,542 --> 00:19:22,165
When I auditioned for it,
434
00:19:22,206 --> 00:19:24,828
there were two
very different scenes.
435
00:19:24,870 --> 00:19:27,034
There was one of this loving,
caring boyfriend,
436
00:19:27,075 --> 00:19:29,572
and then there was one
of this psychopath.
437
00:19:31,653 --> 00:19:33,692
We all go a little mad
sometimes.
438
00:19:33,734 --> 00:19:35,356
- No, Billy!
- Oh,.
439
00:19:36,604 --> 00:19:38,727
Wes really wanted
to see
440
00:19:38,768 --> 00:19:41,432
somebody who could...
who could convincingly play
441
00:19:41,473 --> 00:19:42,805
both sides of that.
442
00:19:48,672 --> 00:19:50,294
Billy's the killer.
443
00:19:50,336 --> 00:19:52,227
And you got to believe fully
that he's the killer
444
00:19:52,251 --> 00:19:54,331
so much so that you go,
"Oh, there's no way
445
00:19:54,373 --> 00:19:55,414
he's the killer."
446
00:19:57,078 --> 00:19:59,200
I wanted to sort of take
the genre, rip it apart,
447
00:19:59,242 --> 00:20:00,407
open it up.
448
00:20:00,448 --> 00:20:01,613
There's a formula to it,
449
00:20:01,655 --> 00:20:03,361
a very simple formula.
450
00:20:03,403 --> 00:20:05,109
Everybody's a suspect.
451
00:20:05,150 --> 00:20:07,065
When you talk about
the tone of "Scream,"
452
00:20:07,107 --> 00:20:08,937
I think what
he's so successful at
453
00:20:08,979 --> 00:20:12,599
is balancing that horror comedy
that we don't see so often
454
00:20:12,641 --> 00:20:13,764
pulled off very well.
455
00:20:13,806 --> 00:20:15,221
Damn little.
456
00:20:15,262 --> 00:20:17,052
What'd you call me?
457
00:20:17,094 --> 00:20:18,675
- Huh?
- Not you, Fred.
458
00:20:18,716 --> 00:20:20,630
I was quite against it
at the time.
459
00:20:20,672 --> 00:20:23,293
I thought, "Wow, I thought
I was in a documentary
460
00:20:23,335 --> 00:20:24,417
"about a serial killer
461
00:20:24,459 --> 00:20:26,123
"and they're playing this,
462
00:20:26,165 --> 00:20:27,663
you know, for laughs."
463
00:20:29,952 --> 00:20:31,467
Wes found the right balance
and the tone
464
00:20:31,491 --> 00:20:32,948
through the editorial process,
465
00:20:32,989 --> 00:20:34,487
but I do remember
we were like,
466
00:20:34,528 --> 00:20:36,318
"Should he be falling down
that much?"
467
00:20:36,360 --> 00:20:39,272
He's kind of, like,
the clumsiest killer alive.
468
00:20:39,314 --> 00:20:40,854
And we were always
worried about
469
00:20:40,896 --> 00:20:41,995
that skirt he was wearing,
you know,
470
00:20:42,019 --> 00:20:43,100
how silly that would look.
471
00:20:43,142 --> 00:20:45,431
But it all seemed to work out.
472
00:20:45,473 --> 00:20:48,344
Yeah, at the beginning,
they wanted me to come meet
473
00:20:48,385 --> 00:20:50,507
for Skeet's role, Billy.
474
00:20:50,549 --> 00:20:51,715
I didn't do anything.
475
00:20:51,756 --> 00:20:53,212
Do you wish to give up
your right
476
00:20:53,254 --> 00:20:54,895
to speak to an attorney
and have him present...
477
00:20:54,919 --> 00:20:57,457
But the role of Dewey,
I thought it was so funny.
478
00:20:57,498 --> 00:20:58,705
He was written as, like,
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00:20:58,747 --> 00:21:01,660
this big, buff, like,
meathead.
480
00:21:01,701 --> 00:21:03,449
And I was like,
"I think I could bring
481
00:21:03,490 --> 00:21:06,112
a different meathead
quality to it."
482
00:21:06,154 --> 00:21:08,152
People treat me like
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00:21:08,192 --> 00:21:11,106
I'm the antichrist
of television journalism.
484
00:21:11,148 --> 00:21:12,520
I don't think
you're that bad.
485
00:21:12,562 --> 00:21:13,852
No?
486
00:21:13,894 --> 00:21:14,952
My favorite part
about working
487
00:21:14,976 --> 00:21:16,141
on the "Scream" movies
488
00:21:16,182 --> 00:21:18,846
was working with Wes Craven.
489
00:21:18,888 --> 00:21:20,843
You meet few people
in this world that are...
490
00:21:20,885 --> 00:21:23,839
turn out to be your heroes,
like, living heroes.
491
00:21:23,881 --> 00:21:26,211
And he held himself
like a professor.
492
00:21:26,253 --> 00:21:28,375
He was a really
intelligent guy.
493
00:21:28,417 --> 00:21:31,829
But he'd say things like,
"Well, that was horrible.
494
00:21:31,871 --> 00:21:33,368
You wanna try it again?"
495
00:21:33,410 --> 00:21:35,086
You really have to respect
your audience.
496
00:21:35,116 --> 00:21:38,112
You have to know these kids
are damn smart, you know?
497
00:21:38,153 --> 00:21:39,836
The wonderful thing
about the "Scream" series
498
00:21:39,860 --> 00:21:41,899
was that Kevin Williamson
499
00:21:41,940 --> 00:21:43,498
said, "Yeah, I've seen
all the movies too,
500
00:21:43,522 --> 00:21:44,704
"and let's talk about them,
but this is not
501
00:21:44,728 --> 00:21:46,185
like that," you know?
502
00:21:46,227 --> 00:21:47,742
Help me, please.
I'm at Stu Macher's house
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00:21:47,766 --> 00:21:50,179
on Turner Lane.
It's 261 Turner Lane.
504
00:21:50,221 --> 00:21:51,969
Please, he's gonna try
and kill me.
505
00:21:53,300 --> 00:21:55,589
These movies get a bad rap
506
00:21:55,631 --> 00:21:57,878
for sort of being antifeminist
and misogynistic
507
00:21:57,920 --> 00:21:59,791
because they are, you know?
508
00:21:59,792 --> 00:22:02,372
And... and... and...
or they have been.
509
00:22:02,413 --> 00:22:04,245
You know, what's great
about genre today is,
510
00:22:04,286 --> 00:22:05,618
we can change all of that.
511
00:22:05,660 --> 00:22:07,698
We don't have to sort of
adhere to,
512
00:22:07,740 --> 00:22:09,113
you know, the rules.
513
00:22:09,155 --> 00:22:11,527
In the '70s and '80s,
514
00:22:11,568 --> 00:22:13,899
if a girl had sex, she...
515
00:22:13,941 --> 00:22:15,396
the rule was,
she had to die.
516
00:22:15,438 --> 00:22:17,269
There are certain rules
517
00:22:17,311 --> 00:22:18,850
that one must abide by
518
00:22:18,892 --> 00:22:20,972
in order to successfully
survive a horror movie.
519
00:22:21,014 --> 00:22:24,801
For instance, number one,
you can never have sex.
520
00:22:28,088 --> 00:22:29,420
We allowed her to have sex.
521
00:22:29,462 --> 00:22:31,958
So you're almost ensuring
she's gonna die.
522
00:22:33,248 --> 00:22:34,289
But not in this movie.
523
00:22:38,492 --> 00:22:39,907
Right up to
the very, very end
524
00:22:39,947 --> 00:22:41,047
where she's like,
this is the moment
525
00:22:41,071 --> 00:22:42,236
where the killer...
526
00:22:42,278 --> 00:22:43,568
Comes back to life
527
00:22:43,610 --> 00:22:45,108
for one last scare.
528
00:22:45,149 --> 00:22:46,249
And she just ain't
gonna have it.
529
00:22:48,312 --> 00:22:50,018
It was just another way
530
00:22:50,059 --> 00:22:52,348
to dismiss those old notions
of the final girl
531
00:22:52,390 --> 00:22:54,054
and so that we can move
our heroine
532
00:22:54,096 --> 00:22:55,386
into sort of a new place.
533
00:22:55,428 --> 00:22:57,633
Not in my movie.
534
00:22:57,674 --> 00:22:59,589
Horror gets a visceral
reaction out of people.
535
00:22:59,630 --> 00:23:01,503
And it's always...
536
00:23:01,545 --> 00:23:04,583
looked down upon by critics
to this day.
537
00:23:04,623 --> 00:23:06,205
It astounds me.
538
00:23:06,247 --> 00:23:10,491
Horror starts from kind of
a minus 25 position
539
00:23:10,533 --> 00:23:12,739
and has to claw its way
upwards.
540
00:23:12,780 --> 00:23:16,358
It's fun to turn that
on its head.
541
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,106
I think where
that anarchistic sense
542
00:23:18,148 --> 00:23:20,062
of wanting people
to burn the theater down
543
00:23:20,104 --> 00:23:22,268
comes from wanting
to show people,
544
00:23:22,309 --> 00:23:24,306
like,
what horror can really do.
545
00:23:24,348 --> 00:23:26,179
Good evening, Clarice.
546
00:23:26,221 --> 00:23:27,968
If you hate us
and you think we're bad,
547
00:23:28,009 --> 00:23:30,132
then I'm really
gonna go for it.
548
00:23:36,416 --> 00:23:38,995
A census taker
once tried to test me.
549
00:23:39,037 --> 00:23:42,366
I ate his liver
with some fava beans
550
00:23:42,408 --> 00:23:45,696
and a nice Chianti.
551
00:23:47,360 --> 00:23:50,814
"Silence of the Lambs"
is a perfect film.
552
00:23:50,855 --> 00:23:55,141
It kind of shirked
the in-your-face
553
00:23:55,183 --> 00:23:58,261
occasionally vulgarities
of the horror genre
554
00:23:58,303 --> 00:24:02,256
and painted them
with a much finer brush
555
00:24:02,298 --> 00:24:06,834
that made it a story
that was about being human
556
00:24:06,876 --> 00:24:09,040
as opposed to a story
that was
557
00:24:09,081 --> 00:24:11,536
about the horrors
of the world.
558
00:24:11,578 --> 00:24:14,324
What is your worst memory
of childhood?
559
00:24:16,113 --> 00:24:17,986
Death of my father.
560
00:24:18,028 --> 00:24:20,108
Horror is a ghetto
as far as
561
00:24:20,150 --> 00:24:21,814
the film industry is concerned,
562
00:24:21,856 --> 00:24:24,727
but "Silence of the Lambs"
changed everything.
563
00:24:24,769 --> 00:24:27,557
It suddenly was not only
big box office
564
00:24:27,599 --> 00:24:30,886
and not only horrific
but respected.
565
00:24:30,927 --> 00:24:33,050
You have
Sir Anthony Hopkins...
566
00:24:33,091 --> 00:24:35,588
I'll help you catch him,
Clarice.
567
00:24:35,630 --> 00:24:39,750
You had Jonathan Demme,
a great, admired director,
568
00:24:39,791 --> 00:24:44,618
dipping their toes
into really unsavory material
569
00:24:44,659 --> 00:24:46,948
but done in such
a highly polished
570
00:24:46,990 --> 00:24:49,612
and Hollywood style
that you could not
571
00:24:49,653 --> 00:24:53,565
deny the power of it
and the intelligence of it.
572
00:24:53,607 --> 00:24:55,229
There's things we need
to do for her.
573
00:24:55,271 --> 00:24:57,019
I know that y'all
brought her this far
574
00:24:57,060 --> 00:24:58,974
and that her folks would
thank you if they could
575
00:24:59,016 --> 00:25:02,469
for your... for your kindness
and your sensitivity.
576
00:25:02,511 --> 00:25:04,592
Now, please, go on now.
Let us take care of her.
577
00:25:06,214 --> 00:25:07,671
Go on now.
578
00:25:07,713 --> 00:25:09,751
I think,
with "Silence of the Lambs,"
579
00:25:09,793 --> 00:25:12,165
having a fantastic
female protagonist
580
00:25:12,207 --> 00:25:14,787
that is brought to life
by Jodie Foster
581
00:25:14,829 --> 00:25:17,284
gave it a life
that allowed people
582
00:25:17,325 --> 00:25:19,364
who do not appreciate
the horror genre
583
00:25:19,406 --> 00:25:21,403
to appreciate
that performance.
584
00:25:21,444 --> 00:25:24,108
And that performance
was the introduction
585
00:25:24,149 --> 00:25:26,082
for a lot of people who are
uncomfortable with horror
586
00:25:26,105 --> 00:25:28,310
to actually step back
and enjoy it.
587
00:25:30,683 --> 00:25:33,054
Jonathan mentioned to me
588
00:25:33,096 --> 00:25:34,719
that perhaps
589
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:36,758
the Clarice Starling character,
590
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:38,838
the Jodie Foster character,
591
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:42,708
was in a way so central
to the nature of the film
592
00:25:42,750 --> 00:25:45,871
that the music could reflect
her character
593
00:25:45,913 --> 00:25:49,408
and be a point of view
through her eyes.
594
00:26:00,019 --> 00:26:02,391
Generally, that type of film
595
00:26:02,433 --> 00:26:05,969
might have focused more
on the monster,
596
00:26:06,011 --> 00:26:08,009
the Lecter character,
and I think,
597
00:26:08,051 --> 00:26:10,796
by switching that up
in that film,
598
00:26:10,838 --> 00:26:13,918
it humanized the story in a way
599
00:26:13,959 --> 00:26:16,581
that, I think, broadened
the appeal of it.
600
00:26:18,495 --> 00:26:20,742
Senator Martin.
601
00:26:20,783 --> 00:26:23,322
Dr. Hannibal Lecter.
602
00:26:25,569 --> 00:26:27,649
I mean, Anthony Hopkins,
my God,
603
00:26:27,691 --> 00:26:28,981
what an iconic performance.
604
00:26:38,594 --> 00:26:43,088
Hannibal Lecter
is the most terrifying villain
605
00:26:43,129 --> 00:26:44,836
ever put on-screen,
606
00:26:44,877 --> 00:26:48,206
and he is in that film
for about 14 minutes.
607
00:26:48,248 --> 00:26:50,370
He's barely in it at all.
608
00:26:57,527 --> 00:27:01,355
We only see slightly more
of him than we see
609
00:27:01,397 --> 00:27:03,686
of the shark in "Jaws."
610
00:27:06,307 --> 00:27:09,553
And both pictures sort of
bring home the idea
611
00:27:09,594 --> 00:27:11,384
that what we can't see
is scarier
612
00:27:11,426 --> 00:27:12,882
than what we can.
613
00:27:12,924 --> 00:27:14,505
And that's tremendously
effective.
614
00:27:18,291 --> 00:27:19,873
There are
these moments where
615
00:27:19,914 --> 00:27:21,263
something plays different
for white people
616
00:27:21,287 --> 00:27:22,911
than it does for black people.
617
00:27:22,952 --> 00:27:24,659
Hannibal Lecter,
he's a psychopath.
618
00:27:24,699 --> 00:27:26,697
He's a white psychopath,
619
00:27:26,739 --> 00:27:30,900
but for some reason it's, like,
"Yo, that mother cold."
620
00:27:32,481 --> 00:27:33,748
"This mother
eating a face?
621
00:27:33,771 --> 00:27:35,395
"Oh.
622
00:27:35,436 --> 00:27:36,768
"That's right there.
623
00:27:36,809 --> 00:27:38,140
"That
is Hannibal Lecter.
624
00:27:38,182 --> 00:27:40,013
"That's my
right there.
625
00:27:40,055 --> 00:27:43,342
"That's... if I'm anybody
in this movie, I'm him.
626
00:27:43,384 --> 00:27:45,340
"I'm not the
who got his face eaten.
627
00:27:45,382 --> 00:27:46,671
I'm Hannibal Lecter."
628
00:27:46,713 --> 00:27:48,918
What became of your lamb,
Clarice?
629
00:27:50,125 --> 00:27:51,997
It came out in February,
630
00:27:52,039 --> 00:27:54,993
and it played right through
the year.
631
00:27:55,035 --> 00:27:56,575
It was one of those films
that just
632
00:27:56,617 --> 00:27:58,781
gathered momentum
week by week.
633
00:27:58,822 --> 00:28:01,444
And it won five Oscars.
634
00:28:01,485 --> 00:28:02,941
When "Silence of the Lambs"
635
00:28:02,983 --> 00:28:04,814
was nominated
for Best Picture,
636
00:28:04,856 --> 00:28:07,478
nobody wanted
to call it a horror film.
637
00:28:07,518 --> 00:28:09,766
You know, all the press
stayed away from the fact
638
00:28:09,807 --> 00:28:12,096
that "Silence of the Lambs"
is really a horror film.
639
00:28:12,138 --> 00:28:13,470
It's a slasher film.
640
00:28:13,511 --> 00:28:14,925
Uh, get in the truck.
641
00:28:14,967 --> 00:28:17,963
And I want to push it
all the way up.
642
00:28:18,005 --> 00:28:19,711
I really appreciate this.
643
00:28:19,753 --> 00:28:21,584
But a slasher film
as Best Picture?
644
00:28:21,625 --> 00:28:23,581
No, can't do that.
645
00:28:23,622 --> 00:28:26,785
It was an example
of what can be done
646
00:28:26,827 --> 00:28:30,864
with the genre
when it's done just right.
647
00:28:30,904 --> 00:28:33,818
Hey... hey, are you
about a size 14?
648
00:28:33,860 --> 00:28:35,648
Sorry?
649
00:28:40,101 --> 00:28:41,534
What is that people love
about going
650
00:28:41,558 --> 00:28:42,931
to see horror movies?
651
00:28:42,973 --> 00:28:44,595
I think what
we love about it
652
00:28:44,637 --> 00:28:45,778
and what the average person
loves about it,
653
00:28:45,802 --> 00:28:47,341
I think, is different.
654
00:28:48,756 --> 00:28:50,504
We'd see a
"Texas Chainsaw Massacre,"
655
00:28:50,546 --> 00:28:52,377
"Dawn of the Dead,"
I go, "I wanna live there.
656
00:28:52,419 --> 00:28:53,916
I wanna live
inside this movie."
657
00:28:53,958 --> 00:28:55,789
"I want to re-create this
in my house."
658
00:28:55,831 --> 00:28:57,620
And essentially we did
do that, right?
659
00:28:57,662 --> 00:28:58,910
Right. Yeah.
660
00:28:58,952 --> 00:28:59,968
But I think,
for the average person,
661
00:28:59,992 --> 00:29:01,614
it's like, you can
662
00:29:01,656 --> 00:29:03,987
safely experience
something demented.
663
00:29:04,028 --> 00:29:07,315
It's also coming to grips
with our own mortality.
664
00:29:07,357 --> 00:29:09,188
Maybe there's
some weird catharsis
665
00:29:09,230 --> 00:29:12,017
of, like, "Okay, well,
thank God my death
666
00:29:12,059 --> 00:29:15,264
"could never nearly be as bad
as what I just saw,
667
00:29:15,305 --> 00:29:16,928
"so maybe it's not so bad.
668
00:29:16,970 --> 00:29:19,259
Maybe I'm just gonna
fall asleep..."
669
00:29:19,300 --> 00:29:22,004
I think it's all dealing
with the fear of death.
670
00:29:22,046 --> 00:29:23,752
After 9/11,
671
00:29:23,794 --> 00:29:26,915
fear escalated to nearly
unbearable levels.
672
00:29:28,663 --> 00:29:30,327
And that fear
was reflected in movies
673
00:29:30,369 --> 00:29:32,949
that dared us
not to turn away.
674
00:29:34,780 --> 00:29:36,319
I want to play a game.
675
00:29:39,981 --> 00:29:41,978
People always ask me,
676
00:29:42,020 --> 00:29:43,369
"How do you make
a horror film scary?"
677
00:29:43,393 --> 00:29:44,909
And I think that
the only common thread
678
00:29:44,933 --> 00:29:47,347
that I've found is when
679
00:29:47,388 --> 00:29:49,344
the filmmaker, the director,
680
00:29:49,385 --> 00:29:51,342
is truly terrified
by the subject matter.
681
00:29:54,795 --> 00:29:56,834
You can tell when other
people are phoning in
682
00:29:56,876 --> 00:29:58,498
and trying to imitate a genre.
683
00:29:58,540 --> 00:30:01,204
And you can tell
when someone loves it.
684
00:30:02,868 --> 00:30:05,157
I met James Wan
at film school.
685
00:30:05,199 --> 00:30:06,905
We both loved horror movies.
686
00:30:06,945 --> 00:30:09,318
We were both obsessed
with "The Evil Dead"
687
00:30:09,359 --> 00:30:10,982
and Dario Argento
688
00:30:11,024 --> 00:30:12,620
and "The Shining"
and all the rest of it.
689
00:30:12,646 --> 00:30:14,561
We realized we should team up
690
00:30:14,603 --> 00:30:16,850
and try to make a movie
with our own money.
691
00:30:16,891 --> 00:30:18,647
And so we figured out
that the cheapest thing
692
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,594
we could do would be
two actors in one room.
693
00:30:21,635 --> 00:30:23,840
Finally, we hit upon
the idea for "Saw."
694
00:30:23,882 --> 00:30:26,420
Ahh.
695
00:30:28,293 --> 00:30:31,372
"Saw" is about two men
who wake up
696
00:30:31,414 --> 00:30:34,993
chained to the wall
in this dilapidated,
697
00:30:35,034 --> 00:30:37,531
dirty bathroom, basically.
698
00:30:37,573 --> 00:30:39,861
They don't know
how they got there.
699
00:30:39,902 --> 00:30:42,191
But lying between them
is a dead body.
700
00:30:44,855 --> 00:30:47,518
And they find out
that they've been put there
701
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,140
by a sadistic serial killer
702
00:30:50,181 --> 00:30:54,175
who forces people to play games
for their lives.
703
00:30:54,217 --> 00:30:58,003
John Kramer is
a mechanical engineer.
704
00:30:58,045 --> 00:31:00,127
He's an architect.
705
00:31:00,167 --> 00:31:02,414
He is somewhat
of a philosopher.
706
00:31:02,456 --> 00:31:06,409
He is a master at prosthetics,
707
00:31:06,451 --> 00:31:09,156
a bit of a magician of sorts,
708
00:31:09,198 --> 00:31:13,442
And with John, what you see
is often not what you get.
709
00:31:13,484 --> 00:31:16,563
Whoever brought us here
could have killed us by now.
710
00:31:16,605 --> 00:31:18,685
But they didn't.
711
00:31:18,727 --> 00:31:20,599
They must want something
from us.
712
00:31:20,641 --> 00:31:22,430
You got Leigh over here,
713
00:31:22,472 --> 00:31:24,469
and you got Carry Elwes
over here,
714
00:31:24,511 --> 00:31:26,051
and you got this guy
in the middle
715
00:31:26,093 --> 00:31:28,256
and this strength
and this silence.
716
00:31:28,297 --> 00:31:31,918
But I always felt
his centralness to this story.
717
00:31:34,872 --> 00:31:36,287
The way that I see Jigsaw
718
00:31:36,329 --> 00:31:39,325
is kind of the Zen master
of sadism.
719
00:31:39,366 --> 00:31:41,447
Hello, Amanda.
720
00:31:41,489 --> 00:31:42,695
You don't know me,
721
00:31:42,737 --> 00:31:45,400
but I know you.
722
00:31:45,442 --> 00:31:47,148
I want to play a game.
723
00:31:47,190 --> 00:31:48,896
His mission, of course,
is to
724
00:31:48,937 --> 00:31:53,223
help people to see
the value of life.
725
00:31:53,265 --> 00:31:56,094
And whether we think
his methods are appropriate
726
00:31:56,136 --> 00:31:57,925
or not, that's a different
story altogether.
727
00:31:57,967 --> 00:31:59,215
My family!
728
00:32:01,130 --> 00:32:03,834
There was something
about watching human behavior
729
00:32:03,876 --> 00:32:05,998
in extreme circumstances
in "Saw,"
730
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:07,580
and I think...
and I thought to myself,
731
00:32:07,621 --> 00:32:09,993
"Well, could I saw off my leg
if I had to?
732
00:32:10,035 --> 00:32:11,907
"Would I do it?
How would I do it?
733
00:32:11,949 --> 00:32:13,363
Could I do it?"
734
00:32:17,275 --> 00:32:18,773
When you don't have
a big star
735
00:32:18,815 --> 00:32:20,937
in the lead role
and you don't have the money
736
00:32:20,979 --> 00:32:22,393
for special effects,
737
00:32:22,435 --> 00:32:24,266
the only thing you have
going for you
738
00:32:24,307 --> 00:32:26,887
is that question,
"What's gonna happen next?"
739
00:32:26,929 --> 00:32:29,135
What are you doing?
740
00:32:29,176 --> 00:32:33,254
Both James and I always loved
really great...
741
00:32:33,295 --> 00:32:35,543
twist endings
that made you go back
742
00:32:35,584 --> 00:32:37,873
and reexamine the movie.
743
00:32:37,915 --> 00:32:40,121
We really thought
we had something good.
744
00:32:40,161 --> 00:32:43,949
I think I was there
about 12 or 13 days,
745
00:32:43,991 --> 00:32:47,277
Lying in this pool of blood
on the bathroom floor.
746
00:32:47,319 --> 00:32:51,147
You're quite convinced
that he's where he is,
747
00:32:51,189 --> 00:32:54,352
and you forget about it
in some way.
748
00:32:55,808 --> 00:32:58,013
The biggest reaction
that I think
749
00:32:58,055 --> 00:33:00,593
I've had in my career
was the ending of "Saw,"
750
00:33:00,635 --> 00:33:03,423
that ending when he stands up
off the floor.
751
00:33:03,465 --> 00:33:05,587
Which is one of the reasons
why I did the film,
752
00:33:05,629 --> 00:33:08,500
'cause I thought it would be
a remarkable moment.
753
00:33:08,541 --> 00:33:11,912
It was worth doing
just for that moment.
754
00:33:11,954 --> 00:33:14,242
And to actually physically
see people lose their mind
755
00:33:14,284 --> 00:33:16,073
and yell at the screen...
756
00:33:16,114 --> 00:33:17,963
I mean, people would just be
shouting, like, "No way!
757
00:33:17,987 --> 00:33:19,652
No way!"
758
00:33:19,693 --> 00:33:21,483
So that was the best feeling,
759
00:33:21,524 --> 00:33:23,772
you know, we could have
ever had.
760
00:33:25,353 --> 00:33:29,264
The last thing he says
before he closes the door
761
00:33:29,306 --> 00:33:31,054
to leave, he says,
"Some people..."
762
00:33:31,095 --> 00:33:34,133
Are so ungrateful
to be alive.
763
00:33:35,631 --> 00:33:37,587
But not you.
764
00:33:37,629 --> 00:33:39,792
Not anymore.
765
00:33:40,999 --> 00:33:43,370
Game over.
766
00:33:44,827 --> 00:33:47,490
To me, "Saw"
is that original film,
767
00:33:47,532 --> 00:33:49,696
and then all the other movies,
they sit over here,
768
00:33:49,738 --> 00:33:52,775
and then the original film,
to me, sits on its own.
769
00:33:55,605 --> 00:33:57,768
The later "Saws," yeah,
they became more...
770
00:33:57,810 --> 00:33:59,849
more about the torture,
but really they were
771
00:33:59,891 --> 00:34:02,263
torture about people
who deserved it.
772
00:34:02,305 --> 00:34:04,176
The "Saw" movies,
it's the bad guys
773
00:34:04,218 --> 00:34:05,800
who are being tortured.
774
00:34:05,841 --> 00:34:07,672
According to your policy,
775
00:34:07,714 --> 00:34:10,918
your secretary
is older and weaker
776
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:14,580
and therefore less worthy
to survive.
777
00:34:14,621 --> 00:34:16,619
By, I think it was "Saw 6,"
778
00:34:16,660 --> 00:34:20,114
where they're going
after insurance companies
779
00:34:20,155 --> 00:34:23,485
that have denied people
their claims, and...
780
00:34:23,527 --> 00:34:25,399
I don't know...
maybe they kind of deserve it
781
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,272
in the world of that movie.
782
00:34:28,728 --> 00:34:31,016
I've had skateboarders,
12-year-olds,
783
00:34:31,058 --> 00:34:33,347
come up to me,
groups of them, and say,
784
00:34:33,389 --> 00:34:35,011
"Yeah, we love those movies."
785
00:34:35,053 --> 00:34:37,175
You have one minute
to pull the fishhook
786
00:34:37,217 --> 00:34:40,380
from her stomach
and unlock her device.
787
00:34:40,421 --> 00:34:42,751
And I say, "Yeah, really?
Why? Why do you love 'em?"
788
00:34:42,793 --> 00:34:44,582
And they say, "Because...
789
00:34:44,624 --> 00:34:46,413
they teach you stuff."
790
00:34:46,455 --> 00:34:48,244
I said, "Like what?"
791
00:34:48,285 --> 00:34:50,367
They say, "Well, like, to...
that you need
792
00:34:50,407 --> 00:34:51,948
to appreciate your life."
793
00:34:51,989 --> 00:34:54,361
No!
794
00:34:54,402 --> 00:34:56,275
And they're not talking
about the traps.
795
00:34:56,317 --> 00:34:57,940
They're not talking
about the blood.
796
00:34:57,981 --> 00:35:00,145
They're talking about concepts
797
00:35:00,187 --> 00:35:03,141
that resonate in the film.
798
00:35:06,804 --> 00:35:09,800
So when you get
this little germ
799
00:35:09,841 --> 00:35:12,005
of an idea, of a thought,
800
00:35:12,046 --> 00:35:14,169
when it's surrounded
by that kind of intensity,
801
00:35:14,210 --> 00:35:17,872
it makes the germ resonate
in a certain way.
802
00:35:21,784 --> 00:35:24,946
One of the issues with
the "Saw" movies...
803
00:35:24,988 --> 00:35:26,694
and you can take it
however you want...
804
00:35:26,735 --> 00:35:29,274
is the fact that we invented
a whole new term,
805
00:35:29,316 --> 00:35:30,481
"torture porn."
806
00:35:37,721 --> 00:35:40,925
But we invented it
at the very same time
807
00:35:40,967 --> 00:35:43,589
America, as a nation,
808
00:35:43,629 --> 00:35:45,753
was under world indictment
809
00:35:45,793 --> 00:35:48,124
for actually torturing people.
810
00:35:58,153 --> 00:36:01,232
The torture porn cycle
of horror films
811
00:36:01,274 --> 00:36:05,351
is strongly linked
to the height of what
812
00:36:05,393 --> 00:36:07,682
George W. Bush termed
the War on Terror.
813
00:36:07,724 --> 00:36:09,097
This crusade.
814
00:36:11,510 --> 00:36:13,590
Use any means
at our disposal.
815
00:36:13,632 --> 00:36:16,170
This war on terrorism.
816
00:36:17,669 --> 00:36:19,291
The torture porn cycle
is kind of
817
00:36:19,333 --> 00:36:21,081
the cycle of the extreme
horror movie,
818
00:36:21,123 --> 00:36:23,120
the "can you not look away?"
819
00:36:25,950 --> 00:36:28,363
"Can you believe how far
they're taking this?
820
00:36:28,405 --> 00:36:30,694
Can you handle it?"
821
00:36:31,900 --> 00:36:33,481
And I think it really kind of
822
00:36:33,523 --> 00:36:35,354
was crystallized with "Hostel."
823
00:36:37,434 --> 00:36:38,825
A lot of people say
it started with "Saw."
824
00:36:38,849 --> 00:36:40,264
I think the original "Saw"
825
00:36:40,305 --> 00:36:42,761
plays more as
a thriller horror movie
826
00:36:42,803 --> 00:36:44,300
than a torture porn movie.
827
00:36:46,631 --> 00:36:48,420
Hostel becomes
a little bit more
828
00:36:48,462 --> 00:36:50,833
of the "how much can you stand
to watch?"
829
00:36:55,661 --> 00:36:57,991
When we started making
our movies,
830
00:36:58,033 --> 00:36:59,905
the term "torture porn"
came out.
831
00:36:59,946 --> 00:37:01,819
I'll credit...
I'll give you that one.
832
00:37:03,193 --> 00:37:04,607
All right,
I'll take that one.
833
00:37:08,269 --> 00:37:09,850
One of the things
about torture porn
834
00:37:09,892 --> 00:37:12,971
is that we are no longer afraid
of bogeymen.
835
00:37:13,013 --> 00:37:15,842
Michael and Jason
and those characters
836
00:37:15,884 --> 00:37:17,798
lost a certain currency.
837
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,669
And what really strikes fear,
838
00:37:20,711 --> 00:37:22,958
particularly in
the United States
839
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,622
in a post-9/11 moment,
is other people.
840
00:37:25,663 --> 00:37:28,118
Other people are frightening.
841
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,157
You're not going?
842
00:37:30,198 --> 00:37:31,863
I've seen this show.
843
00:37:31,904 --> 00:37:34,693
The "Hostel" franchise
speaks truth to power
844
00:37:34,735 --> 00:37:37,564
and presents Americans
in the way
845
00:37:37,606 --> 00:37:40,727
that the world perceives us.
846
00:37:40,768 --> 00:37:44,055
The whole first section
of the film...
847
00:37:44,097 --> 00:37:48,175
it's kind of done like
a teen sex comedy, right?
848
00:37:48,217 --> 00:37:50,672
Like, before it gets
into the horrific scenes,
849
00:37:50,714 --> 00:37:53,419
we see Paxton, Josh,
and their friend Oli
850
00:37:53,459 --> 00:37:55,165
in Amsterdam.
851
00:37:55,207 --> 00:37:57,705
And they're just there
to party and smoke pot
852
00:37:57,746 --> 00:38:00,534
and especially,
in a very extended sequence,
853
00:38:00,576 --> 00:38:02,906
have sex with prostitutes.
854
00:38:02,947 --> 00:38:05,610
It invokes this whole
kind of privilege
855
00:38:05,652 --> 00:38:09,480
of paying to do something
to somebody else.
856
00:38:09,522 --> 00:38:11,811
But it's just like
everyone's out for themselves.
857
00:38:11,852 --> 00:38:13,268
You're not meeting friends.
858
00:38:13,309 --> 00:38:14,658
You're meeting someone
who could be the person
859
00:38:14,682 --> 00:38:17,803
that's gonna kill
and rape and murder you.
860
00:38:17,844 --> 00:38:18,968
You're very patient.
861
00:38:19,009 --> 00:38:20,715
I don't... I don't remember...
862
00:38:20,757 --> 00:38:22,921
- It was 45 minutes.
- Yeah, you go 45 minutes.
863
00:38:22,963 --> 00:38:24,229
Then we kill
our first character.
864
00:38:24,253 --> 00:38:27,957
In that time, you are
865
00:38:27,998 --> 00:38:31,743
allowing us to identify
with the soon-to-be victims,
866
00:38:31,785 --> 00:38:34,323
but you're also
subtlety allowing us
867
00:38:34,365 --> 00:38:37,319
- to hate them in a weird way.
- Mm-hmm.
868
00:38:37,361 --> 00:38:38,900
'Cause they're being
kind of rude...
869
00:38:38,942 --> 00:38:40,648
they're being so American.
870
00:38:40,689 --> 00:38:43,311
So by the time
you get to the killing,
871
00:38:43,353 --> 00:38:45,017
we're half identifying
with the killer,
872
00:38:45,059 --> 00:38:47,348
half identifying with
the victim, and I think
873
00:38:47,389 --> 00:38:50,635
that part of it is the
weirdest thing about horror.
874
00:38:50,676 --> 00:38:53,714
Like, we need to be able
to identify
875
00:38:53,756 --> 00:38:56,461
with that dark side of us
that maybe wants
876
00:38:56,503 --> 00:38:58,374
to kill somebody sometimes.
877
00:38:58,416 --> 00:39:00,289
I am an American.
I got rights.
878
00:39:00,331 --> 00:39:01,870
Get the out!
879
00:39:01,912 --> 00:39:04,117
What I think is important
and interesting
880
00:39:04,159 --> 00:39:07,779
about "Hostel" is that
it doesn't allow the viewer
881
00:39:07,821 --> 00:39:10,900
to feel that sense
that the American
882
00:39:10,941 --> 00:39:16,435
is exempt from implication
in the War on Terror
883
00:39:16,477 --> 00:39:18,265
and in the use of torture.
884
00:39:18,307 --> 00:39:19,638
Who are you?
885
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:21,595
- What the...
- where the am I?
886
00:39:21,636 --> 00:39:23,318
I guess it's kind of like
a pushback kind of?
887
00:39:23,342 --> 00:39:25,007
- Mm-hmm.
- Like, oh, you think
888
00:39:25,048 --> 00:39:26,920
you rule the world?
You don't.
889
00:39:26,962 --> 00:39:29,708
The first extended scene
of torture that we have
890
00:39:29,709 --> 00:39:31,415
is of this kind of privileged,
891
00:39:31,457 --> 00:39:33,870
young, white American male.
892
00:39:33,911 --> 00:39:37,241
And we see his body
kind of taken away
893
00:39:37,282 --> 00:39:40,154
secretively to this
foreign torture center
894
00:39:40,195 --> 00:39:43,191
and tortured in an act
that reminds us
895
00:39:43,233 --> 00:39:45,646
of the extraordinary
rendition program.
896
00:39:45,688 --> 00:39:46,811
No!
897
00:39:48,309 --> 00:39:50,182
And the viewer identifying
with Josh,
898
00:39:50,224 --> 00:39:51,721
you know,
is forced in a position
899
00:39:51,763 --> 00:39:53,719
of having to imagine themselves
900
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:55,633
as being subject to torture.
901
00:39:58,088 --> 00:39:59,503
There are people that,
you know,
902
00:39:59,545 --> 00:40:01,292
watch torture videos.
903
00:40:01,334 --> 00:40:02,541
And you pay a certain amount,
904
00:40:02,582 --> 00:40:04,704
and you can become
Mr. Director.
905
00:40:04,746 --> 00:40:07,035
And the fact that that exists
906
00:40:07,077 --> 00:40:09,906
internationally
in much poorer countries
907
00:40:09,948 --> 00:40:12,153
where, you know,
maybe the parents have died
908
00:40:12,195 --> 00:40:13,651
and the kids are easier
to get,
909
00:40:13,692 --> 00:40:16,065
it's a really
disgusting quality
910
00:40:16,107 --> 00:40:17,604
that exists in humanity
911
00:40:17,646 --> 00:40:19,120
that we don't even want
to talk about.
912
00:40:19,144 --> 00:40:21,432
And I think that's why
we just got a little peek
913
00:40:21,474 --> 00:40:23,263
of a window into it
in "Hostel."
914
00:40:23,305 --> 00:40:26,343
And it was too much
for most people to accept.
915
00:40:26,385 --> 00:40:28,715
The real world
is much scarier than anything
916
00:40:28,757 --> 00:40:33,085
that Eli Roth or Stephen King
could come up with.
917
00:40:33,125 --> 00:40:35,539
It's a really disturbing,
sick, violent world
918
00:40:35,581 --> 00:40:37,620
we live in.
Horror films reflect that.
919
00:40:37,661 --> 00:40:39,992
And horror films
are a way of people
920
00:40:40,033 --> 00:40:43,030
coming to terms with
the violence in society,
921
00:40:43,071 --> 00:40:44,860
trying to deal with it
and trying to,
922
00:40:44,902 --> 00:40:46,900
you know,
escape it a lot of ways.
923
00:40:48,647 --> 00:40:51,019
We're not allowed to be
scared anywhere in life.
924
00:40:51,061 --> 00:40:53,474
I hear from soldiers
on military bases
925
00:40:53,515 --> 00:40:54,889
that were watching "Hostel"
926
00:40:54,930 --> 00:40:56,511
and watching my films
and screaming.
927
00:40:56,553 --> 00:40:58,028
And, like,
they're dealing with death,
928
00:40:58,052 --> 00:40:59,883
but they're not allowed
to be afraid.
929
00:40:59,924 --> 00:41:02,338
But for 90 minutes, you can
be afraid and not be a coward.
930
00:41:04,792 --> 00:41:07,581
More than any other monster
in horror,
931
00:41:07,622 --> 00:41:09,786
the slasher taps
into our primal fear
932
00:41:09,828 --> 00:41:11,534
of the predator.
933
00:41:11,576 --> 00:41:13,252
And when that predator
comes in human form,
934
00:41:13,282 --> 00:41:15,195
you have to wonder...
935
00:41:17,193 --> 00:41:19,523
"Will I be
the resourceful survivor..."
936
00:41:28,304 --> 00:41:30,717
"Or just another kill?"
937
00:41:30,758 --> 00:41:32,715
He's gone.
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