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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:07,587 --> 00:00:09,293 When you say "slasher movies," 2 00:00:09,334 --> 00:00:11,831 that's when the killer became the star. 3 00:00:11,873 --> 00:00:15,243 Don't go in there! 4 00:00:15,285 --> 00:00:17,158 "Halloween," it happens to be the Cadillac 5 00:00:17,199 --> 00:00:18,364 of slasher movies. 6 00:00:18,406 --> 00:00:20,154 You don't know what it is... 7 00:00:21,609 --> 00:00:24,523 That makes Michael Myers go, "Her!" 8 00:00:24,564 --> 00:00:27,352 "Psycho" was the first time I was aware of the editing. 9 00:00:27,394 --> 00:00:29,349 The assembly of pieces of film... 10 00:00:30,930 --> 00:00:32,262 To create fright. 11 00:00:32,303 --> 00:00:33,844 "Texas Chainsaw Massacre" 12 00:00:33,885 --> 00:00:35,508 is one of the most important movies. 13 00:00:35,550 --> 00:00:37,397 That ratchets up horror to a whole other level. 14 00:00:37,421 --> 00:00:39,336 That's the one that defined me. 15 00:00:39,378 --> 00:00:41,749 Sometimes you just want to sit down and watch Jason 16 00:00:41,791 --> 00:00:44,038 take out a lot of stupid teenagers. 17 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:46,826 There are a number of pictures where you're able 18 00:00:46,867 --> 00:00:49,115 to actually take your deepest, 19 00:00:49,156 --> 00:00:52,568 most antisocial impulses for a walk. 20 00:00:52,609 --> 00:00:54,524 "Horror" became a dirty word 21 00:00:54,565 --> 00:00:56,146 in the late '70s, early '80s. 22 00:00:56,188 --> 00:00:57,353 These films hate women. 23 00:00:57,394 --> 00:01:00,100 55% of that audience was women. 24 00:01:00,141 --> 00:01:03,928 They're the final girls. That's who you identify with. 25 00:01:36,592 --> 00:01:38,423 There's the moment in "Halloween" 26 00:01:38,465 --> 00:01:41,585 where I'm standing behind... This house. 27 00:01:42,459 --> 00:01:45,289 I don't know anybody yet. I'm 19 years old, 28 00:01:45,329 --> 00:01:48,659 and saying to myself, "What am I doing? 29 00:01:48,701 --> 00:01:50,157 How do I do this?" 30 00:01:50,198 --> 00:01:52,030 And then you hear, "All right, everybody. 31 00:01:52,071 --> 00:01:53,402 "Here we go, we're rolling! 32 00:01:53,444 --> 00:01:55,026 Cameras rolling!" 33 00:01:55,067 --> 00:01:57,397 And I have to start screaming. 34 00:01:57,439 --> 00:02:00,351 And I had never screamed in my life. 35 00:02:00,393 --> 00:02:03,847 Who screams? 36 00:02:13,833 --> 00:02:16,205 No! 37 00:02:16,247 --> 00:02:18,452 I suppose, for a lot of people 38 00:02:18,493 --> 00:02:21,656 who grew up on "Friday the 13th," 39 00:02:21,698 --> 00:02:26,565 "Halloween," "Scream," horror equals gore. 40 00:02:29,937 --> 00:02:30,935 You have the idea 41 00:02:30,977 --> 00:02:32,308 that all horror films 42 00:02:32,350 --> 00:02:33,532 are slasher films, which is wrong, 43 00:02:33,556 --> 00:02:35,388 and then you have the idea 44 00:02:35,429 --> 00:02:37,884 that, uh, slasher films are purely misogynistic 45 00:02:37,926 --> 00:02:40,464 and that the only people who watch them are men, 46 00:02:40,506 --> 00:02:42,128 and that's also wrong. 47 00:02:42,170 --> 00:02:44,042 narrator: The most extreme form 48 00:02:44,084 --> 00:02:47,912 of horror films... slashers... have been vilified 49 00:02:47,954 --> 00:02:49,494 since they first came on the scene. 50 00:02:49,534 --> 00:02:51,009 narrator: But they have also 51 00:02:51,033 --> 00:02:53,113 been tremendously popular. 52 00:02:53,155 --> 00:02:55,069 The worst of them can still be entertaining. 53 00:02:55,110 --> 00:02:58,522 The best of them tell us brutal truths about ourselves, 54 00:02:58,564 --> 00:03:00,479 our fears, and our secret desires. 55 00:03:10,465 --> 00:03:13,586 1974, Bob Clark comes in 56 00:03:13,628 --> 00:03:15,042 with "Black Christmas." 57 00:03:20,118 --> 00:03:23,946 That is the first POV of slasher: 58 00:03:23,988 --> 00:03:27,234 girls in the sorority house over the holiday... 59 00:03:29,024 --> 00:03:31,146 But that becomes sort of the... the precursor 60 00:03:31,186 --> 00:03:33,559 to John Carpenter, who comes in with "Halloween." 61 00:03:44,211 --> 00:03:46,583 "Halloween," technically, is a slasher movie. 62 00:03:46,624 --> 00:03:48,705 but it happens to be the Cadillac 63 00:03:48,746 --> 00:03:50,203 of slasher movies. 64 00:03:53,781 --> 00:03:56,070 "Halloween" also made 65 00:03:56,112 --> 00:03:58,816 horror films mainstream. 66 00:03:58,858 --> 00:04:00,356 It was one of the ones that 67 00:04:00,398 --> 00:04:03,310 people who "don't like horror movies" still watch. 68 00:04:04,891 --> 00:04:07,720 "Halloween" is remarkably effective, 69 00:04:07,762 --> 00:04:11,424 like, from the opening long take of a child 70 00:04:11,466 --> 00:04:13,089 looking through a mask. 71 00:04:13,130 --> 00:04:15,127 A young boy murders his sister 72 00:04:15,169 --> 00:04:18,082 and is put away in a mental institution. 73 00:04:18,123 --> 00:04:21,036 And 16 years later... 74 00:04:21,078 --> 00:04:23,325 he escapes and comes back to the town 75 00:04:23,367 --> 00:04:26,487 and to the scene of the crime. 76 00:04:26,529 --> 00:04:28,692 And over the course of Halloween day, 77 00:04:28,734 --> 00:04:31,730 Michael Myers slowly lets his presence known 78 00:04:31,772 --> 00:04:33,269 to Laurie Strode. 79 00:04:33,311 --> 00:04:35,974 Tommy, hurry up! 80 00:04:36,016 --> 00:04:38,679 Tommy, please! 81 00:04:38,721 --> 00:04:40,278 This is rare in a lot of horror films... 82 00:04:40,302 --> 00:04:42,257 actually, like, a likeable lead. 83 00:04:42,299 --> 00:04:43,839 You know, in "Friday the 13th," 84 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:45,920 you want both of those actors to die. 85 00:04:45,961 --> 00:04:47,210 You don't want 86 00:04:47,250 --> 00:04:48,832 Jamie Lee Curtis to die. 87 00:04:48,874 --> 00:04:51,412 You want Jamie Lee Curtis to survive. 88 00:04:51,454 --> 00:04:53,909 I think it all had to do with emotion. 89 00:04:53,950 --> 00:04:56,696 John said very clearly what he wanted. 90 00:04:56,738 --> 00:04:58,735 He said, "I really want her vulnerability." 91 00:04:58,777 --> 00:05:00,275 It's why he cast me, apparently, 92 00:05:00,317 --> 00:05:04,061 and I didn't really understand that at 19. 93 00:05:05,934 --> 00:05:08,555 And I learned what John meant 94 00:05:08,597 --> 00:05:10,470 when I went and saw the movie 95 00:05:10,511 --> 00:05:12,758 in Hollywood at a theater. 96 00:05:12,799 --> 00:05:16,087 There's the sequence where Laurie Strode leaves 97 00:05:16,129 --> 00:05:18,875 the babysitting house... 98 00:05:18,916 --> 00:05:21,787 and there's this long walk between the two houses. 99 00:05:21,829 --> 00:05:24,201 And of course, the entire audience 100 00:05:24,242 --> 00:05:25,948 started screaming, 101 00:05:25,990 --> 00:05:29,111 "Don't go in there!" 102 00:05:31,066 --> 00:05:34,396 And that's when I understood what John was going for 103 00:05:34,437 --> 00:05:36,226 was that you cared enough about her 104 00:05:36,268 --> 00:05:38,681 that you would tell her, "Don't do this." 105 00:05:40,512 --> 00:05:42,509 So much of horror is about mood, atmosphere, 106 00:05:42,551 --> 00:05:44,549 and cinematic style. 107 00:05:44,590 --> 00:05:46,962 John Carpenter using the wide screen 108 00:05:47,003 --> 00:05:50,290 and the Panaglide camera starting with "Halloween," 109 00:05:50,332 --> 00:05:52,912 it's something that makes the film 110 00:05:52,954 --> 00:05:55,034 that much more effective. 111 00:05:58,030 --> 00:06:00,485 When I met John, I was immediately impressed 112 00:06:00,527 --> 00:06:02,316 that he wanted to use the camera 113 00:06:02,358 --> 00:06:05,478 to tell the story, rather than just a recording device. 114 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:08,100 The Steadicam... the Panaglide at the time... 115 00:06:08,141 --> 00:06:10,680 was one of those tools that John and I looked at 116 00:06:10,721 --> 00:06:13,343 as being a key technique... 117 00:06:13,385 --> 00:06:16,006 moving the camera fluidly. 118 00:06:17,754 --> 00:06:20,292 You didn't know where Michael Myers was. 119 00:06:20,334 --> 00:06:21,998 You know, you saw him outside, 120 00:06:22,039 --> 00:06:24,119 and then you'd be in making out, you know, 121 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:25,786 on a couch, and it's like, 122 00:06:25,826 --> 00:06:28,406 "Okay, he's out there someplace." 123 00:06:28,447 --> 00:06:29,921 Like, you'll watch a lot of these movies 124 00:06:29,945 --> 00:06:31,693 and you're not scared anymore. 125 00:06:31,735 --> 00:06:33,650 And when you think, of like, Michael Myers, like, 126 00:06:33,690 --> 00:06:36,977 I was freaked out for years. 127 00:06:37,019 --> 00:06:40,930 Just the idea of some, just, dude popping out of places... 128 00:06:40,972 --> 00:06:44,010 and murdering you real quick. 129 00:06:47,213 --> 00:06:49,877 Oh! 130 00:06:49,918 --> 00:06:52,664 Michael Myers is the human being 131 00:06:52,706 --> 00:06:56,243 that's actually a wolf wearing a human face. 132 00:06:56,285 --> 00:06:58,740 You know, the human that just ain't human. 133 00:07:04,732 --> 00:07:07,228 What you saw in the sequels was an attempt 134 00:07:07,270 --> 00:07:10,391 to kind of shoehorn in, uh, 135 00:07:10,433 --> 00:07:12,180 other characters or other mythologies 136 00:07:12,221 --> 00:07:13,845 just to make it more interesting. 137 00:07:13,886 --> 00:07:17,381 In "Halloween Il," they make it that Laurie 138 00:07:17,423 --> 00:07:19,628 and Michael Myers are brother and sister. 139 00:07:19,670 --> 00:07:21,002 That Strode girl? 140 00:07:21,043 --> 00:07:24,414 That's Michael Myers' sister. 141 00:07:24,455 --> 00:07:25,828 He's not her brother. 142 00:07:25,869 --> 00:07:27,035 She's not his sister. 143 00:07:27,076 --> 00:07:28,491 That's just bull. 144 00:07:28,533 --> 00:07:30,530 Nobody was coming from that point of view 145 00:07:30,572 --> 00:07:32,319 when they were making the first one. 146 00:07:32,361 --> 00:07:34,774 And what makes the first one so good 147 00:07:34,816 --> 00:07:37,728 is the fact that you don't know what it is 148 00:07:37,770 --> 00:07:40,975 that makes Michael Myers go, "Her." 149 00:07:42,681 --> 00:07:44,594 "Halloween" was one of the first films 150 00:07:44,636 --> 00:07:47,466 to really initiate the final girl as a trope. 151 00:07:47,507 --> 00:07:50,461 A main character who's a woman 152 00:07:50,503 --> 00:07:52,543 who is first a victim 153 00:07:52,583 --> 00:07:55,788 and ultimately, a survivor who fights back. 154 00:07:57,826 --> 00:07:59,242 It's a formula that really worked, 155 00:07:59,283 --> 00:08:02,362 and it's become so common 156 00:08:02,403 --> 00:08:04,443 that I think most people don't even think about it. 157 00:08:04,484 --> 00:08:06,374 Go upstairs, get Lindsey, and lock the bedroom door. 158 00:08:06,398 --> 00:08:07,730 - I'm scared! - Do as I say! 159 00:08:07,772 --> 00:08:09,894 - The boogeyman... - It's pure. 160 00:08:09,936 --> 00:08:12,890 There's something very pure and clean about it. 161 00:08:12,932 --> 00:08:14,387 No! 162 00:08:14,429 --> 00:08:17,758 Innocence and danger coming together 163 00:08:17,799 --> 00:08:19,048 with that music 164 00:08:19,089 --> 00:08:20,505 and that camera work 165 00:08:20,546 --> 00:08:22,252 and the performances 166 00:08:22,294 --> 00:08:25,456 is why I think we're still talking about it today. 167 00:08:25,498 --> 00:08:27,162 narrator: John Carpenter's "Halloween" 168 00:08:27,204 --> 00:08:29,367 launched the slasher boom of the '80s. 169 00:08:29,409 --> 00:08:32,363 Its influence is still felt today. 170 00:08:32,405 --> 00:08:33,861 But it didn't come out of nowhere. 171 00:08:39,437 --> 00:08:40,935 Good evening. 172 00:08:42,516 --> 00:08:44,181 I have some news that will delight you. 173 00:08:48,300 --> 00:08:51,213 Murder is not dead. 174 00:08:51,254 --> 00:08:53,710 Starting with, uh, Alfred Hitchcock's "Psycho" 175 00:08:53,751 --> 00:08:55,832 in 1960, 176 00:08:55,874 --> 00:09:00,160 we started seeing a new approach to horror. 177 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:04,611 It was the, uh... the horror that didn't come out of, uh, 178 00:09:04,653 --> 00:09:08,023 some grotesque radioactive anomaly, 179 00:09:08,065 --> 00:09:10,687 but it could be lurking next door. 180 00:09:10,728 --> 00:09:12,851 A nice young man like Norman Bates 181 00:09:12,892 --> 00:09:15,389 could be the new Frankenstein, the new Dracula. 182 00:09:15,431 --> 00:09:16,588 Do you go out with friends? 183 00:09:20,424 --> 00:09:23,211 Well, a... a boy's best friend is his mother. 184 00:09:23,253 --> 00:09:25,291 Hitch always thought it was a comedy. 185 00:09:25,333 --> 00:09:26,706 He always claimed that. 186 00:09:26,748 --> 00:09:28,829 The content, as such, 187 00:09:28,870 --> 00:09:30,784 was, I felt, rather amusing. 188 00:09:30,826 --> 00:09:33,198 My mother, um... what is the phrase... 189 00:09:35,195 --> 00:09:37,068 She isn't quite herself today. 190 00:09:37,110 --> 00:09:39,356 But it's very perverted 191 00:09:39,398 --> 00:09:40,938 and very sick. 192 00:09:40,978 --> 00:09:42,602 There's hangers in the closet 193 00:09:42,644 --> 00:09:44,848 and stationery with "Bates Motel" printed on it, 194 00:09:44,890 --> 00:09:46,530 in case you want to make your friends back home 195 00:09:46,554 --> 00:09:48,260 feel envious. 196 00:09:48,302 --> 00:09:49,717 And the, uh... 197 00:09:52,089 --> 00:09:54,003 Over there. 198 00:09:54,045 --> 00:09:55,667 - The bathroom. - Yeah. 199 00:09:55,709 --> 00:09:57,457 One of the big things 200 00:09:57,499 --> 00:09:59,472 that I think to this day was still shocking about "Psycho" 201 00:09:59,496 --> 00:10:00,869 was you killed the protagonist 202 00:10:00,911 --> 00:10:02,218 - 40 minutes in to the movie. - Yeah. 203 00:10:02,241 --> 00:10:03,947 Even knowing that the shower scene 204 00:10:03,989 --> 00:10:05,589 was coming, I was like, "Wait, she can't be the one 205 00:10:05,613 --> 00:10:07,211 - who gets killed." - "There's so much movie left." 206 00:10:11,687 --> 00:10:13,102 No! 207 00:10:13,144 --> 00:10:16,015 "Psycho" raised terror to a level 208 00:10:16,057 --> 00:10:18,220 that I had never seen, anyway, 209 00:10:18,262 --> 00:10:20,759 because it was near realistic. 210 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:22,132 No! 211 00:10:22,174 --> 00:10:24,378 Before "Psycho," that was not imaginable, 212 00:10:24,420 --> 00:10:26,209 that level of terror. 213 00:10:28,873 --> 00:10:30,329 "Psycho" and Hitchcock 214 00:10:30,370 --> 00:10:33,117 brought terror into your shower. 215 00:10:33,159 --> 00:10:35,863 "Psycho" was the first time I was aware of the editing... 216 00:10:39,858 --> 00:10:41,439 And how your mind gets tricked, 217 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:42,645 and what you see off-camera. 218 00:10:42,687 --> 00:10:45,309 This process of frightening 219 00:10:45,350 --> 00:10:48,055 is done by means 220 00:10:48,097 --> 00:10:50,052 of a given medium: 221 00:10:50,094 --> 00:10:52,300 the medium of pure cinema. 222 00:10:53,797 --> 00:10:56,086 The assembly of pieces of film 223 00:10:56,128 --> 00:10:57,875 to create fright. 224 00:10:59,872 --> 00:11:01,995 That shower scene is one of the most iconic pieces 225 00:11:02,036 --> 00:11:04,284 of cinema ever to be created, 226 00:11:04,324 --> 00:11:07,071 so much so that it's... it's burned in people's brains 227 00:11:07,113 --> 00:11:08,735 who haven't even seen the movie. 228 00:11:10,525 --> 00:11:12,605 People know that Bernard Herrmann's score... 229 00:11:12,647 --> 00:11:14,478 the... You know, 230 00:11:14,519 --> 00:11:17,307 kids grow up, like, doing that with that sound, 231 00:11:17,349 --> 00:11:19,304 not knowing what it's from. 232 00:11:19,346 --> 00:11:22,259 Like, talk about having made a cultural impact. 233 00:11:25,255 --> 00:11:28,334 Bernard Herrmann's score to the film was very dramatic, 234 00:11:28,376 --> 00:11:31,247 very... very propulsive. 235 00:11:31,288 --> 00:11:33,993 It's virtually impossible 236 00:11:34,035 --> 00:11:36,656 for a horror composer 237 00:11:36,697 --> 00:11:40,235 not to have to wrestle with the "Psycho" score. 238 00:11:41,815 --> 00:11:43,979 You cannot avoid it. You have to deal with it. 239 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:50,096 In 1960, I'm sure people regarded the shower scene 240 00:11:50,138 --> 00:11:52,635 in "Psycho" as having gone too far. 241 00:11:54,881 --> 00:11:57,669 Like, "Alfred Hitchcock's gone too far this time." 242 00:11:57,711 --> 00:11:59,459 But it's indelible, it's... 243 00:11:59,500 --> 00:12:01,497 they're indelible images, and they're, like, 244 00:12:01,539 --> 00:12:03,911 forever, like, sort of in your brain and, like, 245 00:12:03,952 --> 00:12:08,031 people have bad dreams thinking about those movies. 246 00:12:08,071 --> 00:12:10,319 John Carpenter, you know, was greatly influenced 247 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:12,982 by "Psycho," even to the point of casting 248 00:12:13,024 --> 00:12:14,979 Janet Lee's daughter, Jamie Lee Curtis, 249 00:12:15,021 --> 00:12:16,643 in the lead role. 250 00:12:16,685 --> 00:12:21,637 Ironic that it's the same genre... 251 00:12:21,678 --> 00:12:23,800 same family. 252 00:12:23,842 --> 00:12:27,088 Obviously, it was the biggest... 253 00:12:27,130 --> 00:12:29,459 thing in her life, 254 00:12:29,501 --> 00:12:32,123 as I know that "Halloween" is mine. 255 00:12:32,165 --> 00:12:34,869 So when I jokingly say to you, 256 00:12:34,910 --> 00:12:38,239 ""Halloween' Actress Dies"... 257 00:12:38,281 --> 00:12:39,779 that's what it will say. 258 00:12:39,821 --> 00:12:42,525 Nothing else. 259 00:12:42,567 --> 00:12:45,604 Just like my mom. ""Psycho' Actress Dies." 260 00:12:47,601 --> 00:12:49,932 Because of Hitchcock, 261 00:12:49,974 --> 00:12:54,717 people will accept cinema first in a thriller... 262 00:12:54,759 --> 00:12:58,004 in a way they won't accept it in a love story, 263 00:12:58,046 --> 00:13:00,875 in a way they won't accept it in a period drama, 264 00:13:00,917 --> 00:13:03,248 in a way they won't accept it in almost... 265 00:13:03,289 --> 00:13:06,035 most every other genre, 266 00:13:06,077 --> 00:13:08,490 because Hitchcock taught people 267 00:13:08,532 --> 00:13:10,570 to be thinking of cinema first. 268 00:13:10,612 --> 00:13:13,150 We're just naturally okay 269 00:13:13,192 --> 00:13:16,230 with the camera taking off and doing things. 270 00:13:19,558 --> 00:13:21,140 I think it's fair to say that "Psycho" 271 00:13:21,181 --> 00:13:22,471 was a turning point... 272 00:13:24,386 --> 00:13:26,218 Certainly in American filmmaking... 273 00:13:26,258 --> 00:13:28,005 and in Hollywood filmmaking, 274 00:13:28,047 --> 00:13:30,252 because there was no one more establishment 275 00:13:30,294 --> 00:13:32,084 than Alfred Hitchcock. 276 00:13:34,996 --> 00:13:36,660 And there was no turning back. 277 00:13:36,702 --> 00:13:39,074 There was no turning back. 278 00:13:39,115 --> 00:13:42,444 narrator: "Psycho" influenced every horror film to come, 279 00:13:42,486 --> 00:13:44,442 and it paved the way for a new kind 280 00:13:44,484 --> 00:13:46,148 of movie monster... 281 00:13:46,190 --> 00:13:47,604 narrator: The chainsaw-wielding 282 00:13:47,645 --> 00:13:49,518 serial killer. 283 00:14:01,045 --> 00:14:02,751 If you think about the landmarks 284 00:14:02,792 --> 00:14:04,165 "Psycho" and "Halloween," 285 00:14:04,206 --> 00:14:05,705 clearly the bridge between the two 286 00:14:05,747 --> 00:14:07,470 is Tobe Hooper's "The Texas Chainsaw Massacre." 287 00:14:07,494 --> 00:14:09,075 Yeah. 288 00:14:11,863 --> 00:14:13,619 Out of every movie that we've talked about, 289 00:14:13,652 --> 00:14:15,899 that's the one that defined me. 290 00:14:15,941 --> 00:14:17,813 Like, that's everything I wanted in a movie 291 00:14:17,855 --> 00:14:19,769 and everything I ever wanted to do in movies. 292 00:14:19,811 --> 00:14:21,766 It was just disgusting and nasty, 293 00:14:21,808 --> 00:14:24,637 and that redneck thing... 294 00:14:24,679 --> 00:14:26,070 - Relentless. - That movie just changed 295 00:14:26,094 --> 00:14:27,508 the way I thought about movies. 296 00:14:27,550 --> 00:14:28,840 - Yeah. - Instantly. 297 00:14:32,252 --> 00:14:34,059 We decided to re-watch "Texas Chainsaw Massacre," 298 00:14:34,083 --> 00:14:36,454 like, a month ago. I watched it eight times. 299 00:14:38,993 --> 00:14:40,789 "Texas Chainsaw Massacre" is one of the most 300 00:14:40,824 --> 00:14:44,485 important movies, to me, of all horror films. 301 00:14:44,527 --> 00:14:47,731 You walk into a movie called "Texas Chainsaw Massacre," 302 00:14:47,773 --> 00:14:50,435 and you expect the worst. 303 00:14:50,477 --> 00:14:51,725 And you get it. 304 00:15:04,125 --> 00:15:07,163 It was incredibly potent and visceral... 305 00:15:08,869 --> 00:15:11,075 There was an imagination... a dark imagination... 306 00:15:11,116 --> 00:15:12,864 that had no limits. 307 00:15:18,773 --> 00:15:20,978 It just starts with that great, 308 00:15:21,020 --> 00:15:24,640 like, dreadful, somber narration 309 00:15:24,681 --> 00:15:26,262 at the beginning of the story. 310 00:15:36,124 --> 00:15:37,764 So right off the bat, you're thinking, "Wow, 311 00:15:37,788 --> 00:15:39,328 is this based on a true story?" 312 00:15:39,369 --> 00:15:42,283 And then they flash this date... 313 00:15:42,324 --> 00:15:45,195 It really feels like you were dropped 314 00:15:45,237 --> 00:15:48,608 into, uh, watching something happen for real. 315 00:15:48,649 --> 00:15:51,062 This heat is just driving me crazy, 316 00:15:51,104 --> 00:15:52,934 I don't know if I can take much more. 317 00:15:52,976 --> 00:15:54,783 - Listen, the condition... - "Texas Chainsaw Massacre" 318 00:15:54,807 --> 00:15:56,346 was the first one where I thought 319 00:15:56,388 --> 00:15:57,636 - they were real people. - Yeah. 320 00:15:57,678 --> 00:15:59,925 I never looked at them as actors. 321 00:16:01,631 --> 00:16:03,837 You don't see any on-screen violence. 322 00:16:03,879 --> 00:16:05,626 - It's all implied. - The hook... puts her 323 00:16:05,668 --> 00:16:07,267 - hanging on the meat hook. - When he picks her up, 324 00:16:07,291 --> 00:16:09,495 and he's holding her over the hook... 325 00:16:12,034 --> 00:16:13,283 And you came out of that movie 326 00:16:13,323 --> 00:16:14,989 certain that you remembered, 327 00:16:15,029 --> 00:16:17,045 "Oh, yeah, remember, you see the hook go through her." 328 00:16:17,069 --> 00:16:18,899 But your mind just put it all together. 329 00:16:18,941 --> 00:16:21,437 Stop. 330 00:16:24,226 --> 00:16:26,681 "Texas Chainsaw" is inspired 331 00:16:26,722 --> 00:16:29,968 by the Ed Gein story from, uh, Wisconsin. 332 00:16:31,966 --> 00:16:33,606 female reporter: It was a crime that shocked 333 00:16:33,630 --> 00:16:35,544 the small town of Plainfield, Wisconsin. 334 00:16:37,250 --> 00:16:38,997 Edward Gein, accused of killing a woman, 335 00:16:39,039 --> 00:16:42,867 then gutting her body like a slaughtered deer. 336 00:16:42,909 --> 00:16:46,196 Tobe told me that he... when he was a kid, 337 00:16:46,238 --> 00:16:49,317 they would tell him the story of this guy, Ed Gein. 338 00:16:49,359 --> 00:16:51,605 reporter: He would use those body parts and bones 339 00:16:51,647 --> 00:16:53,852 to make lamp shades and other furniture. 340 00:16:53,894 --> 00:16:57,139 He would also wear dead female body parts. 341 00:16:59,137 --> 00:17:01,550 And so they used to use Ed Gein 342 00:17:01,592 --> 00:17:03,131 as a cautionary tale. 343 00:17:03,173 --> 00:17:05,462 "Don't be bad, or Ed Gein will come for you." 344 00:17:09,623 --> 00:17:12,410 Someone once said before Tobe Hooper, 345 00:17:12,452 --> 00:17:16,696 there had been plenty of films about psychopaths, 346 00:17:16,738 --> 00:17:18,569 but when you saw "Texas Chainsaw Massacre," 347 00:17:18,611 --> 00:17:20,524 it was the first time you saw a film that seemed 348 00:17:20,566 --> 00:17:22,980 like it had been directed by a psychopath. 349 00:17:23,022 --> 00:17:25,976 Tobe, he had a sweetness to him. 350 00:17:26,017 --> 00:17:29,429 At the same time, he would try to rip your head off 351 00:17:29,471 --> 00:17:32,176 if you... if you even messed with a frame of his movie. 352 00:17:32,217 --> 00:17:34,107 If you'll pardon my French, they didn't give a 353 00:17:34,131 --> 00:17:35,379 about what people thought 354 00:17:35,421 --> 00:17:37,461 about the movie they were making. 355 00:17:40,081 --> 00:17:41,787 The conditions of making that movie 356 00:17:41,829 --> 00:17:42,911 were so primitive. 357 00:17:42,953 --> 00:17:44,950 I mean, these guys, 358 00:17:44,992 --> 00:17:48,653 they borrowed 16-millimeter Aeroflex cameras 359 00:17:48,695 --> 00:17:50,443 from the University of Texas 360 00:17:50,484 --> 00:17:52,732 under the hottest, worst conditions. 361 00:17:52,773 --> 00:17:54,978 It was like 120 degrees, 362 00:17:55,019 --> 00:17:57,558 and they were like, "Let's go out there 363 00:17:57,599 --> 00:17:59,596 and stir it up." 364 00:17:59,638 --> 00:18:02,676 It was not a pleasant experience for anyone, 365 00:18:02,718 --> 00:18:04,298 and it's reflected in the film. 366 00:18:08,668 --> 00:18:10,541 I don't think Tobe Hooper set out 367 00:18:10,582 --> 00:18:14,826 to make a movie about Vietnam, but he could not help 368 00:18:14,827 --> 00:18:17,656 but reflect the rebellion that was going on. 369 00:18:17,698 --> 00:18:19,296 male reporter: Subsequent investigation... 370 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:20,777 The times were political, 371 00:18:20,819 --> 00:18:23,398 and the times were, you... you know, 372 00:18:23,439 --> 00:18:25,812 steeped in Vietnam. 373 00:18:25,853 --> 00:18:28,475 Hit her, Grandpa! 374 00:18:30,638 --> 00:18:32,220 "The Texas Chainsaw Massacre" 375 00:18:32,261 --> 00:18:34,924 is a very American story, 376 00:18:34,965 --> 00:18:38,212 and... and in some ways, uh, a capitalistic story. 377 00:18:38,253 --> 00:18:39,976 The place where they shoot the cattle in the head 378 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:41,374 with that big air gun thing. 379 00:18:41,415 --> 00:18:43,870 Oh, that... that gun's no good. 380 00:18:43,912 --> 00:18:45,950 I was in there once with my uncle... 381 00:18:45,992 --> 00:18:47,574 What "Texas Chainsaw Massacre" 382 00:18:47,616 --> 00:18:49,488 is really about 383 00:18:49,529 --> 00:18:52,234 is a family of dispossessed workers. 384 00:18:52,276 --> 00:18:53,982 With a sledge. 385 00:18:54,023 --> 00:18:55,729 See, that was better. 386 00:18:55,771 --> 00:18:57,186 They died better that way. 387 00:18:57,227 --> 00:19:00,223 Because of automation and loss of jobs, 388 00:19:00,265 --> 00:19:02,762 they no longer have the means, you know, 389 00:19:02,803 --> 00:19:04,759 to earn th... a living for themselves. 390 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:08,462 With the new way, people put out of jobs. 391 00:19:08,503 --> 00:19:10,876 The oppressed working class 392 00:19:10,917 --> 00:19:13,788 turn the tools of their trade 393 00:19:13,830 --> 00:19:15,994 back upon their former employers... 394 00:19:16,036 --> 00:19:18,740 the chainsaw, the hammer, and so on... 395 00:19:18,781 --> 00:19:22,068 but it's also tied in with psychic repression, 396 00:19:22,110 --> 00:19:24,441 because, like, people love the meat on their plate 397 00:19:24,482 --> 00:19:27,062 but don't want to think about how it gets made. 398 00:19:27,104 --> 00:19:30,017 And by substituting the teenagers for the cattle 399 00:19:30,058 --> 00:19:32,513 and the former dispossessed workers 400 00:19:32,555 --> 00:19:34,427 enacting revenge against them, 401 00:19:34,468 --> 00:19:37,464 it's a kind of un-repression both of meat itself 402 00:19:37,506 --> 00:19:39,628 and of working-class labor. 403 00:19:43,665 --> 00:19:45,121 And Tobe called that movie 404 00:19:45,162 --> 00:19:48,865 "a $60,000 flare" he shot up from Austin. 405 00:19:48,907 --> 00:19:50,798 And I mean, it's in the Museum of Modern Art now. 406 00:19:50,822 --> 00:19:53,318 It's a classic, but it's unmatched after that. 407 00:19:53,360 --> 00:19:56,605 I mean, that ratchets up horror to a whole other level. 408 00:19:58,978 --> 00:20:01,516 narrator: "Texas Chainsaw," "Halloween," and "Psycho" 409 00:20:01,558 --> 00:20:03,762 opened the gates for a new kind of horror. 410 00:20:05,635 --> 00:20:08,422 But the slasher film as we know it was truly born 411 00:20:08,464 --> 00:20:10,670 with the most successful horror franchise 412 00:20:10,711 --> 00:20:12,168 of all time... 413 00:20:13,998 --> 00:20:15,497 "Friday the 13th." 414 00:20:20,282 --> 00:20:22,820 narrator: When you think of "Friday the 13th," 415 00:20:22,861 --> 00:20:24,069 you think of dead teenagers... 416 00:20:26,315 --> 00:20:28,771 narrator: And the unstoppable Jason Voorhees. 417 00:20:30,559 --> 00:20:32,432 Growing up when I did, we all watched 418 00:20:32,474 --> 00:20:35,261 "Friday the 13th"... one, two, three, four, 419 00:20:35,303 --> 00:20:37,176 five, six, seven. 420 00:20:37,218 --> 00:20:38,632 Eight was horrible. 421 00:20:41,878 --> 00:20:43,542 But in terms of character names... 422 00:20:43,584 --> 00:20:45,789 Jason Voorhees. 423 00:20:45,830 --> 00:20:47,912 It... it was just evil. 424 00:20:50,699 --> 00:20:54,402 I believe that I have murdered 425 00:20:54,444 --> 00:20:58,230 more people on film than any actor in history. 426 00:20:58,272 --> 00:21:03,432 I played Jason in four of the "Friday the 13th" films. 427 00:21:03,474 --> 00:21:06,219 There's a lot more to playing a character like Jason 428 00:21:06,261 --> 00:21:09,174 than throwing the mask on and, you know, 429 00:21:09,215 --> 00:21:10,921 walking around threateningly, 430 00:21:10,963 --> 00:21:14,667 because two of the major tools an actor uses 431 00:21:14,708 --> 00:21:17,580 are their facial expressions 432 00:21:17,621 --> 00:21:19,202 and their voice. 433 00:21:19,244 --> 00:21:21,907 So now, you take away both of those 434 00:21:21,948 --> 00:21:23,946 by making him silent 435 00:21:23,988 --> 00:21:26,608 and putting a mask on him. 436 00:21:31,145 --> 00:21:33,724 So I always was conscious 437 00:21:33,766 --> 00:21:36,970 of Jason never looking awkward 438 00:21:37,011 --> 00:21:38,801 or off-balance or weak. 439 00:21:38,843 --> 00:21:41,172 I would never look down to see where I was walking, 440 00:21:41,214 --> 00:21:43,003 because I thought it weakened the character. 441 00:21:45,916 --> 00:21:48,538 My favorite Jason kill... which was my favorite 442 00:21:48,579 --> 00:21:50,743 all-time kill for a long time... 443 00:21:50,785 --> 00:21:53,572 was the sleeping bag from "Part VII." 444 00:22:00,064 --> 00:22:02,186 I put my heart and soul into that character 445 00:22:02,228 --> 00:22:04,392 and loved playing it. 446 00:22:04,433 --> 00:22:07,179 Name the killer in "Friday the 13th." 447 00:22:07,221 --> 00:22:09,759 Jason! Jason! Jason! 448 00:22:09,801 --> 00:22:12,922 I'm sorry. That's the wrong answer. 449 00:22:14,835 --> 00:22:17,499 narrator: Jason is synonymous with "Friday the 13th," 450 00:22:17,540 --> 00:22:21,035 but he's barely seen in the original film. 451 00:22:21,077 --> 00:22:24,365 The rest of the formula, though, was in place. 452 00:22:24,406 --> 00:22:25,862 "Friday the 13th" is a story 453 00:22:25,904 --> 00:22:27,235 about a group of camp counselors 454 00:22:27,277 --> 00:22:28,691 who've come up to set up a camp... 455 00:22:28,733 --> 00:22:31,105 Well, come on. Let's go. 456 00:22:31,147 --> 00:22:32,770 I thought we had two weeks. 457 00:22:32,811 --> 00:22:34,601 And have been sort of targeted 458 00:22:34,641 --> 00:22:36,265 by a mysterious killer. 459 00:22:36,307 --> 00:22:38,304 No... 460 00:22:40,135 --> 00:22:41,300 No... 461 00:22:46,044 --> 00:22:48,166 One or two or three of them get picked off, 462 00:22:48,207 --> 00:22:51,744 and you say, "Oh, my goodness, anybody could go at any time." 463 00:22:51,785 --> 00:22:54,282 Something's wrong with Ned. 464 00:22:54,324 --> 00:22:56,362 That was, I think, part of the... the secret 465 00:22:56,404 --> 00:22:59,733 to the suspense that we were able to create. 466 00:23:01,647 --> 00:23:03,977 It must be my imagination. 467 00:23:12,674 --> 00:23:15,670 We needed somebody that knew a lot more than we did 468 00:23:15,712 --> 00:23:17,376 about how to pull off a special effect. 469 00:23:17,418 --> 00:23:18,999 You wanna stab somebody with a knife. 470 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:20,538 How do you do it? You can't just get 471 00:23:20,579 --> 00:23:22,619 a rubber knife and... and start... 472 00:23:22,660 --> 00:23:24,117 You know, going at people. 473 00:23:24,158 --> 00:23:25,365 And we were fortunate enough 474 00:23:25,407 --> 00:23:27,196 to run into a guy named Tom Savini, 475 00:23:27,238 --> 00:23:30,234 and he just couldn't wait 476 00:23:30,276 --> 00:23:33,063 to get involved, and he had such wonderful, 477 00:23:33,105 --> 00:23:35,018 positive energy. 478 00:23:37,100 --> 00:23:40,886 Kevin Bacon was, uh, sitting upright underneath the bed. 479 00:23:40,927 --> 00:23:44,589 His... only his head came through the bed. 480 00:23:46,379 --> 00:23:48,417 So I'm actually pushing the arrow through 481 00:23:48,459 --> 00:23:50,705 the fake chest and neck, 482 00:23:50,747 --> 00:23:54,035 and my assistant, uh, was pumping the blood. 483 00:23:54,077 --> 00:23:57,031 Now, while he was pumping the blood, the tubing came off 484 00:23:57,073 --> 00:23:59,111 the blood pump, and during the take, 485 00:23:59,153 --> 00:24:01,275 he grabbed it and blew through it, 486 00:24:01,317 --> 00:24:03,896 which caused the nice gurgling of the blood. 487 00:24:07,267 --> 00:24:09,389 So it was a happy accident that made the effect, 488 00:24:09,430 --> 00:24:11,178 you know, a I... so much better. 489 00:24:11,220 --> 00:24:13,966 What makes "Friday the 13th" a classic 490 00:24:14,008 --> 00:24:16,172 is the reveal of Mrs. Voorhees. 491 00:24:16,213 --> 00:24:18,376 Steve! 492 00:24:18,418 --> 00:24:20,458 Oh, Steve! 493 00:24:23,494 --> 00:24:25,451 Who are you? 494 00:24:25,492 --> 00:24:27,281 Well, I... I'm Mrs. Voorhees, 495 00:24:27,323 --> 00:24:29,237 an old friend of the Christys'. 496 00:24:29,279 --> 00:24:31,901 Everyone's trying to survive, uh, 497 00:24:31,941 --> 00:24:33,689 as they're being knocked off one by one 498 00:24:33,731 --> 00:24:35,787 by a killer that they don't know, and then you reveal 499 00:24:35,811 --> 00:24:37,809 it's the mother of this drowned boy. 500 00:24:37,851 --> 00:24:40,638 You see, Jason was my son. 501 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:45,631 A mother was driven mad by her child drowning 502 00:24:45,673 --> 00:24:48,253 and seeing the world ignore it and go by 503 00:24:48,295 --> 00:24:49,834 and think that they can just restart 504 00:24:49,876 --> 00:24:51,374 and go on with their lives. 505 00:24:51,416 --> 00:24:53,496 The manifestation of grief is actually 506 00:24:53,538 --> 00:24:56,492 very poetic and relatable. 507 00:24:58,822 --> 00:25:01,360 We started to hear some of the score 508 00:25:01,402 --> 00:25:03,982 that Harry was writing for the first "Friday the 13th," 509 00:25:04,023 --> 00:25:06,603 and this... this... 510 00:25:06,645 --> 00:25:08,476 Kept coming up. 511 00:25:12,263 --> 00:25:16,589 You remember a scene at the very end, uh... 512 00:25:16,631 --> 00:25:21,000 where Mrs. Voorhees... uh, Betsy Palmer, rest her soul. 513 00:25:21,042 --> 00:25:24,122 Dear Betsy. We hear, uh, her son go... 514 00:25:24,163 --> 00:25:26,035 "Kill her, Mommy. 515 00:25:26,077 --> 00:25:27,450 Kill her." 516 00:25:27,492 --> 00:25:29,863 And that's what kicked it off for me. 517 00:25:29,905 --> 00:25:33,526 I went, "She hears voices in her head." 518 00:25:33,567 --> 00:25:35,606 I went up to a microphone and went, 519 00:25:35,648 --> 00:25:37,229 "K... ma..." 520 00:25:37,270 --> 00:25:38,893 And then it came out... 521 00:25:38,935 --> 00:25:40,724 Kih... mah... 522 00:25:40,766 --> 00:25:43,637 And it literally became the signature 523 00:25:43,678 --> 00:25:46,508 of that series, the sound that... 524 00:25:46,549 --> 00:25:48,297 what they call "the Jason sound." 525 00:25:48,339 --> 00:25:51,376 Look what you did to him! 526 00:25:59,573 --> 00:26:01,529 I remember thinking the movie was over. 527 00:26:01,571 --> 00:26:03,235 You remember, she was on the lake. 528 00:26:03,277 --> 00:26:04,834 And I thought the m... I legitimately was like, 529 00:26:04,858 --> 00:26:06,273 "Aw, the movie's over. 530 00:26:06,314 --> 00:26:08,561 She's at the boat." 531 00:26:13,346 --> 00:26:16,301 He jumped out that water. I lost it. 532 00:26:16,342 --> 00:26:18,381 I don't even know how I fell for that. 533 00:26:18,423 --> 00:26:19,962 To this day... 534 00:26:20,004 --> 00:26:22,418 was the loudest I ever screamed in my life. 535 00:26:22,459 --> 00:26:24,998 The boy, Jason. 536 00:26:26,745 --> 00:26:27,869 Jason? 537 00:26:27,910 --> 00:26:29,034 Nobody knew that was 538 00:26:29,075 --> 00:26:31,031 going to become a franchise, 539 00:26:31,072 --> 00:26:33,486 but it was certainly easy to replicate. 540 00:26:38,854 --> 00:26:42,266 The... my biggest regret is putting the bag over his head. 541 00:26:45,262 --> 00:26:47,175 So then, doing "Part Ill," 542 00:26:47,217 --> 00:26:50,629 this guy we had hired as a... as a 3-D expert 543 00:26:50,671 --> 00:26:52,003 was also a hockey player. 544 00:26:52,044 --> 00:26:53,376 And I was trying to figure out... 545 00:26:53,418 --> 00:26:54,558 you know, I wasn't gonna do the bag again. 546 00:26:54,582 --> 00:26:55,956 "What are we gonna do?" 547 00:26:55,998 --> 00:26:57,620 And one day, he walked into my office 548 00:26:57,662 --> 00:27:00,824 with a goalie mask and said, "How about this?" 549 00:27:04,735 --> 00:27:05,858 It was perfect. 550 00:27:05,900 --> 00:27:07,107 It was, immediately... 551 00:27:07,148 --> 00:27:08,397 that was gonna be great. 552 00:27:13,556 --> 00:27:15,595 I don't understand how, in the first one, 553 00:27:15,637 --> 00:27:17,801 he's like an 11-year-old who jumps out of the lake, 554 00:27:17,842 --> 00:27:19,923 and then he's built like a... 555 00:27:19,965 --> 00:27:21,421 a WCW wrestler. 556 00:27:23,002 --> 00:27:24,833 I don't understand what happened 557 00:27:24,875 --> 00:27:26,373 where he suddenly got all jacked. 558 00:27:29,410 --> 00:27:30,742 You know, after the first movies 559 00:27:30,784 --> 00:27:32,365 and the subsequent sequels became, 560 00:27:32,406 --> 00:27:34,654 "Who are these, you know, awful kids 561 00:27:34,695 --> 00:27:36,234 "that we sort of hate and we can't wait 562 00:27:36,276 --> 00:27:37,650 for Jason to take them out?" 563 00:27:46,554 --> 00:27:49,799 I've always thought that the slasher films of the 1980s 564 00:27:49,841 --> 00:27:51,464 didn't really work as horror fiction. 565 00:27:51,505 --> 00:27:53,877 But they worked pretty well as slapstick comedies... 566 00:27:57,497 --> 00:27:59,703 And the reason for that is, you know, 567 00:27:59,745 --> 00:28:02,033 the characters are never allowed to be anything 568 00:28:02,074 --> 00:28:03,864 except one-dimensional types. 569 00:28:03,906 --> 00:28:05,570 You've got a gang of teenagers. 570 00:28:05,612 --> 00:28:07,483 You've got the jock. You've got the stoner. 571 00:28:07,525 --> 00:28:09,689 You've got the slut. You've got the virgin. 572 00:28:09,731 --> 00:28:11,146 You never care about them, 573 00:28:11,187 --> 00:28:12,643 you never fall in love with them, 574 00:28:12,685 --> 00:28:14,433 and so when the serial killer starts 575 00:28:14,474 --> 00:28:17,554 knocking them off one by one... 576 00:28:17,596 --> 00:28:20,966 You laugh instead of recoil in horror, 577 00:28:21,008 --> 00:28:23,920 because he's actually more of a personality than they are. 578 00:28:27,249 --> 00:28:29,288 With the success 579 00:28:29,329 --> 00:28:30,828 of "Friday the 13th" and the success 580 00:28:30,869 --> 00:28:33,283 of "Halloween," people just were... 581 00:28:33,324 --> 00:28:36,153 producers were ravenous to find material 582 00:28:36,195 --> 00:28:39,691 and knowing that, "Oh, well this is the formula." 583 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,642 One of the by-products of... of the success 584 00:28:44,684 --> 00:28:47,347 of "Friday the 13th" and a few other movies 585 00:28:47,389 --> 00:28:50,218 was that people on the outside are looking in, saying, 586 00:28:50,260 --> 00:28:52,215 "Oh, they killed ten people 587 00:28:52,257 --> 00:28:53,630 "and they made a lot of money. 588 00:28:53,672 --> 00:28:55,502 "We'll kill 20 people, 589 00:28:55,544 --> 00:28:58,581 and we'll make a lot more than that." 590 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:03,658 narrator: By the early '80s, 591 00:29:03,699 --> 00:29:05,405 slasher movies glutted the market. 592 00:29:05,447 --> 00:29:07,070 Audiences loved them, 593 00:29:07,111 --> 00:29:09,566 but they also inspired outright hatred. 594 00:29:11,481 --> 00:29:13,205 narrator: Where some saw harmless entertainment, 595 00:29:13,229 --> 00:29:14,976 others saw a threat to society. 596 00:29:19,719 --> 00:29:21,592 Come on, baby. 597 00:29:21,634 --> 00:29:23,465 Light my fire. 598 00:29:23,507 --> 00:29:25,253 You bet I will. 599 00:29:28,249 --> 00:29:30,080 I gotta tell you something, 600 00:29:30,122 --> 00:29:33,035 the worst horror movie I ever saw was great, okay? 601 00:29:33,076 --> 00:29:34,800 - Yeah, that's true. - That's the way that I am, 602 00:29:34,824 --> 00:29:36,489 because I go in there and I say, 603 00:29:36,530 --> 00:29:38,403 "What am I gonna see? I don't know." 604 00:29:38,444 --> 00:29:41,065 A movie that's PG-13 605 00:29:41,107 --> 00:29:42,564 that's a horror movie, 606 00:29:42,606 --> 00:29:44,770 it's gotta be scary in some way 607 00:29:44,810 --> 00:29:46,476 that's really artistic. 608 00:29:51,052 --> 00:29:53,757 Once you get to R and once you get to Unrated, 609 00:29:53,798 --> 00:29:55,796 you're saying, "I don't know what I'm gonna see." 610 00:29:55,838 --> 00:29:58,709 I got one word for you: "Maniac." 611 00:30:04,576 --> 00:30:06,656 "Maniac" is one of my favorite movies, 612 00:30:06,698 --> 00:30:08,296 and I had a feeling you'd like it, which is why... 613 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:09,545 - "Maniac"... oh, of course. - As a gift for you, 614 00:30:09,569 --> 00:30:10,960 I brought you a "Maniaction" figure. 615 00:30:10,984 --> 00:30:12,274 Holy! 616 00:30:12,315 --> 00:30:13,730 We did not rehearse this, folks. 617 00:30:13,771 --> 00:30:15,602 Look! 618 00:30:15,644 --> 00:30:16,976 A "Maniaction" figure. 619 00:30:17,017 --> 00:30:19,014 I'm so excited, I almost dropped it! 620 00:30:19,056 --> 00:30:21,303 It's a "Maniac" bloody scalp. 621 00:30:21,345 --> 00:30:23,467 - It's... isn't that sweet? - Yeah, it really is. 622 00:30:23,508 --> 00:30:25,381 I mean, I don't know how to thank you for that. 623 00:30:31,331 --> 00:30:33,786 "Maniac" is about a guy named Frank Zito 624 00:30:33,828 --> 00:30:36,740 who's a very... ah, oddball character 625 00:30:36,782 --> 00:30:39,320 who stalks young women. 626 00:30:39,362 --> 00:30:42,316 And he scalps them and he takes their scalps home 627 00:30:42,358 --> 00:30:44,064 and he puts them on these mannequins. 628 00:30:44,106 --> 00:30:45,770 And it is here he sort of struggles 629 00:30:45,812 --> 00:30:49,349 with this relationship he had with his mother. 630 00:30:49,391 --> 00:30:52,095 I will never... 631 00:30:54,467 --> 00:30:57,920 let them take you away from me. 632 00:30:57,961 --> 00:31:00,583 It's a very minimalist look at what happens 633 00:31:00,625 --> 00:31:01,891 inside the mind of a serial killer. 634 00:31:01,915 --> 00:31:04,453 - You bitch! - What... 635 00:31:06,450 --> 00:31:08,781 What're you... doing... 636 00:31:10,236 --> 00:31:11,526 Stop it! 637 00:31:11,568 --> 00:31:13,774 What are you doing? 638 00:31:13,815 --> 00:31:16,728 I mean, the original "Maniac" is mean, 639 00:31:16,770 --> 00:31:20,930 but it's actually really powerful and, 640 00:31:20,972 --> 00:31:23,011 thanks to Joe Spinell's performance, 641 00:31:23,053 --> 00:31:25,133 kind of emotional. 642 00:31:25,175 --> 00:31:29,793 Why'd you make me do that? 643 00:31:29,835 --> 00:31:33,331 I didn't wanna do it. 644 00:31:33,372 --> 00:31:36,452 It really, like, went too far. 645 00:31:36,493 --> 00:31:38,490 You know, watching that movie, you really felt like 646 00:31:38,532 --> 00:31:41,070 the killing scenes were really protracted 647 00:31:41,112 --> 00:31:43,067 and really brutal and really grim. 648 00:31:44,940 --> 00:31:47,104 When that movie came out, it was so controversial 649 00:31:47,146 --> 00:31:49,059 You know, a lot of women were protesting it 650 00:31:49,101 --> 00:31:51,199 because this idea that it was misogynistic, of course. 651 00:31:51,223 --> 00:31:54,219 You know, it's like all these movies get this label 652 00:31:54,261 --> 00:31:56,799 of being misogynistic because the victims 653 00:31:56,841 --> 00:31:57,922 are primarily women. 654 00:31:57,964 --> 00:32:00,044 ...again. 655 00:32:00,086 --> 00:32:02,166 I don't feel like the film's misogynistic at all. 656 00:32:02,208 --> 00:32:04,330 As a matter of fact, I feel, as a woman, 657 00:32:04,372 --> 00:32:07,326 it really represents a realism to me. 658 00:32:07,368 --> 00:32:08,491 It's... it's... it's like 659 00:32:08,533 --> 00:32:10,073 a cathartic experience in a way, 660 00:32:10,115 --> 00:32:13,193 because women live in that sort of world every day, 661 00:32:13,235 --> 00:32:14,692 where we have to be hyperaware 662 00:32:14,733 --> 00:32:16,647 of who's around us and what could happen. 663 00:32:18,395 --> 00:32:20,184 narrator: "Maniac" ends with a group of women 664 00:32:20,226 --> 00:32:22,223 taking brutal revenge on the killer. 665 00:32:22,265 --> 00:32:24,428 And this... 666 00:32:24,470 --> 00:32:27,216 narrator: Today, many horror fans and film scholars 667 00:32:27,258 --> 00:32:29,505 consider it a classic, but in the '80s, 668 00:32:29,547 --> 00:32:32,501 "Maniac" helped set off a moral panic. 669 00:32:34,374 --> 00:32:36,745 Horror became a... a dirty word, I think, 670 00:32:36,787 --> 00:32:38,493 in the late '70s, early '80s, 671 00:32:38,535 --> 00:32:40,698 and I think that the reason for that was the... 672 00:32:40,740 --> 00:32:42,654 the explosion of slasher movies. 673 00:32:55,386 --> 00:32:57,176 A new breed of "shriek merchants" 674 00:32:57,218 --> 00:32:59,506 has exploited the once honorable genre 675 00:32:59,547 --> 00:33:01,171 of the terror film. 676 00:33:01,212 --> 00:33:04,374 It was a very cheap form of horror entertainment, 677 00:33:04,416 --> 00:33:06,954 and those slasher films got a lot of bad press 678 00:33:06,996 --> 00:33:08,286 for brutalizing women, 679 00:33:08,328 --> 00:33:10,492 for violence, for the gore, 680 00:33:10,532 --> 00:33:12,821 and... and the people making legitimate horror films 681 00:33:12,863 --> 00:33:15,401 were afraid that they were gonna be tainted, uh, 682 00:33:15,443 --> 00:33:18,481 by the legacy of a lot of these slasher knock-offs. 683 00:33:18,522 --> 00:33:20,079 I think a lot of people have the wrong idea. 684 00:33:20,103 --> 00:33:22,100 They identify these films with earlier thrillers 685 00:33:22,142 --> 00:33:23,890 like "Psycho," or even a more recent film 686 00:33:23,931 --> 00:33:25,637 like "Halloween," which we both like. 687 00:33:25,679 --> 00:33:27,235 These films aren't in the same category. 688 00:33:27,260 --> 00:33:29,299 These films hate women. 689 00:33:32,004 --> 00:33:33,585 But don't you find that 690 00:33:33,626 --> 00:33:36,165 in a really effective horror movie, 691 00:33:36,206 --> 00:33:37,996 blood stains the critics' eyes? 692 00:33:38,037 --> 00:33:39,785 Like, once you get blood in your eyes... 693 00:33:39,827 --> 00:33:41,615 - Yes, yes. - You can't wash it out. 694 00:33:41,657 --> 00:33:43,589 - They can't see anything else... - Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. 695 00:33:43,613 --> 00:33:45,485 Other than the kill, and they also feel like 696 00:33:45,527 --> 00:33:46,942 if they like the movie, 697 00:33:46,984 --> 00:33:48,773 that they're endorsing that for real... 698 00:33:48,814 --> 00:33:50,312 - or that kind of violence. - Yeah. 699 00:33:50,354 --> 00:33:51,994 So... so most often, those reviews just become 700 00:33:52,018 --> 00:33:53,742 a soapbox to be like, "Look, I'm a good person. 701 00:33:53,766 --> 00:33:55,431 "I'm a good person. I don't like 702 00:33:55,472 --> 00:33:57,113 this sort of thing," but the truth is, we love it. 703 00:33:57,137 --> 00:33:59,591 It's like it's... it's the enjoying fantasy, 704 00:33:59,633 --> 00:34:01,381 enjoying a scary story. It's like, it's... 705 00:34:01,423 --> 00:34:04,168 it's no different from "Grimms' Fairy Tales." 706 00:34:06,790 --> 00:34:09,619 The slasher films celebrate the female character 707 00:34:09,661 --> 00:34:11,409 because they're the final girls. 708 00:34:11,450 --> 00:34:13,988 The people who... who survive the slasher movies 709 00:34:14,030 --> 00:34:16,111 are the final girls, 710 00:34:16,152 --> 00:34:18,109 and that's who you identify with, 711 00:34:18,149 --> 00:34:19,523 and that's the smart one. 712 00:34:19,564 --> 00:34:21,145 The women are the ones who are smart. 713 00:34:21,187 --> 00:34:23,119 It's the sex-crazed guys bringing their girlfriends 714 00:34:23,143 --> 00:34:25,057 to have sex that, you know, get slaughtered. 715 00:34:27,054 --> 00:34:29,135 Most of the feminists who were against horror 716 00:34:29,176 --> 00:34:31,632 were not really watching these films 717 00:34:31,673 --> 00:34:33,338 or analyzing them, you know? 718 00:34:33,380 --> 00:34:35,335 They were just sort of, like, "Pornography is bad. 719 00:34:35,377 --> 00:34:36,832 Horror films are bad." You know? 720 00:34:36,874 --> 00:34:38,723 So they weren't actually engaging with the genre. 721 00:34:38,747 --> 00:34:41,160 These women in danger films all really boil down 722 00:34:41,202 --> 00:34:43,075 to just one same image, 723 00:34:43,116 --> 00:34:44,655 one disturbing image: 724 00:34:44,697 --> 00:34:47,361 a woman screaming in abject terror. 725 00:34:47,402 --> 00:34:48,959 Usually it's the people who don't actually 726 00:34:48,983 --> 00:34:50,481 know anything about the topic 727 00:34:50,522 --> 00:34:52,187 that are the loudest complainers about it. 728 00:34:52,228 --> 00:34:54,309 And unfortunately, the audiences that go to them 729 00:34:54,351 --> 00:34:56,015 don't seem to like women too much, either. 730 00:34:56,057 --> 00:34:57,971 In the '80s, "The New York Times" conducted, 731 00:34:58,013 --> 00:35:00,468 um, a poll with theatergoers 732 00:35:00,509 --> 00:35:02,715 to find out who was seeing these slasher films, 733 00:35:02,756 --> 00:35:05,086 and they found out that 45% of the audience 734 00:35:05,128 --> 00:35:07,042 was made up of adolescents. 735 00:35:07,083 --> 00:35:09,829 55% of that audience was women. 736 00:35:11,827 --> 00:35:13,907 narrator: "Maniac," its slasher cousins, 737 00:35:13,949 --> 00:35:15,489 and the Reagan assassination attempt... 738 00:35:17,361 --> 00:35:18,818 Triggered a crackdown 739 00:35:18,860 --> 00:35:20,190 on realistic violence and gore. 740 00:35:20,232 --> 00:35:22,105 By 1984, 741 00:35:22,147 --> 00:35:25,018 the golden age of slasher films was over, 742 00:35:25,059 --> 00:35:27,390 but audiences still wanted their scares. 743 00:35:27,431 --> 00:35:29,512 So film makers created 744 00:35:29,553 --> 00:35:31,259 a new kind of monster. 745 00:35:35,753 --> 00:35:38,166 Okay, show her. 746 00:35:40,039 --> 00:35:42,743 Well, is it a Good Guy or not? 747 00:35:42,785 --> 00:35:44,700 It is. It is! 748 00:35:44,741 --> 00:35:46,364 - Wow. - A Good Guy! 749 00:35:46,406 --> 00:35:48,153 One of the first experiences of horror 750 00:35:48,195 --> 00:35:51,274 was, uh, "Child's Play." 751 00:35:51,315 --> 00:35:53,313 Hi, I'm Chucky, 752 00:35:53,354 --> 00:35:54,894 and I'm your friend to the end. 753 00:35:54,936 --> 00:35:56,891 Hi-de-ho! 754 00:35:56,933 --> 00:35:58,241 When I first saw that, 755 00:35:58,265 --> 00:35:59,638 I was about four... 756 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,094 four or five. 757 00:36:01,135 --> 00:36:03,008 So it was just this little doll and it was cute 758 00:36:03,050 --> 00:36:05,754 and then all of the sudden, it just came alive. 759 00:36:05,796 --> 00:36:07,253 And it's... it's always those moments 760 00:36:07,294 --> 00:36:09,124 where the camera is moving... 761 00:36:12,454 --> 00:36:15,158 But you don't... it's kind of the POV of the doll 762 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,238 that just, like... it... it just drove me crazy. 763 00:36:24,479 --> 00:36:25,786 And I can be honest. To this day, 764 00:36:25,810 --> 00:36:27,516 I'm still affected by that. 765 00:36:27,558 --> 00:36:30,429 Nobody believes you about Chucky. 766 00:36:30,471 --> 00:36:33,508 Unless you start telling the truth... 767 00:36:33,550 --> 00:36:35,464 right now... 768 00:36:35,505 --> 00:36:37,544 they're going to take you away from me. 769 00:36:37,586 --> 00:36:38,918 It's about a mother trying 770 00:36:38,959 --> 00:36:41,081 to hold her family together, 771 00:36:41,123 --> 00:36:43,536 defend her... her son against this, you know... 772 00:36:43,578 --> 00:36:46,158 against the charges of being a... a murderer. 773 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,238 I mean, a seven-year-old boy? Horrible. 774 00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:49,778 And the boy may be mad. 775 00:36:49,820 --> 00:36:51,568 He keeps insisting that his little... 776 00:36:51,609 --> 00:36:53,440 that his doll is talking to him. 777 00:36:53,481 --> 00:36:55,104 Come on, Chucky, 778 00:36:55,146 --> 00:36:57,060 say something! 779 00:36:57,101 --> 00:36:58,725 Tell me! 780 00:36:58,766 --> 00:37:00,722 Hi, I'm Chucky, 781 00:37:00,763 --> 00:37:02,719 and I'm your friend to the end. 782 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:04,425 Hi-dee-ho! 783 00:37:07,713 --> 00:37:10,001 To me, horror is always about 784 00:37:10,042 --> 00:37:11,582 violating the sacred. 785 00:37:11,623 --> 00:37:14,287 Take a child... something that we all look at 786 00:37:14,328 --> 00:37:17,449 and coo over and look after and dote on... 787 00:37:17,491 --> 00:37:18,864 and make them... 788 00:37:18,905 --> 00:37:21,652 the most evil out there. 789 00:37:21,694 --> 00:37:25,188 And a child's toy is sacred too. 790 00:37:25,230 --> 00:37:27,977 These are things we grow up with, and you... 791 00:37:28,018 --> 00:37:31,264 you... you basically cast horror's black shadow, uh, 792 00:37:31,305 --> 00:37:35,591 over all this sacred, righteous stuff. 793 00:37:35,633 --> 00:37:37,131 You stupid bitch! 794 00:37:37,172 --> 00:37:38,629 You filthy slut! 795 00:37:38,671 --> 00:37:40,501 I'll teach you to with me! 796 00:37:40,543 --> 00:37:42,374 - No! No! - In the 1980s, 797 00:37:42,415 --> 00:37:44,621 advertisers had started 798 00:37:44,663 --> 00:37:48,075 to target children directly. 799 00:37:48,116 --> 00:37:50,446 Brought to you exclusively by Play Pals, 800 00:37:50,488 --> 00:37:52,401 makers of Good Guys and other fine toys. 801 00:37:52,443 --> 00:37:54,191 It's like children had become 802 00:37:54,233 --> 00:37:56,355 these little consumerist monsters 803 00:37:56,396 --> 00:37:58,768 who could, you know, coerce their parents 804 00:37:58,810 --> 00:38:00,808 into getting them more and more stuff 805 00:38:00,849 --> 00:38:02,679 that they didn't need. 806 00:38:02,721 --> 00:38:04,968 - Well, what do you think? - I want a Good Guy 807 00:38:05,010 --> 00:38:06,633 to go with it. 808 00:38:06,674 --> 00:38:09,004 I know you do, Andy, but I didn't know about it 809 00:38:09,046 --> 00:38:11,002 in time this month to save up for it. 810 00:38:11,044 --> 00:38:13,499 I remember my mother telling me 811 00:38:13,540 --> 00:38:15,912 a crazy story about fighting someone 812 00:38:15,953 --> 00:38:19,282 in a dark alley for a Cabbage Patch Kid. 813 00:38:19,324 --> 00:38:22,195 ♪ I got my doll, I got my doll! ♪ 814 00:38:22,236 --> 00:38:24,400 We can see this line between 815 00:38:24,442 --> 00:38:27,147 the "direct to children as consumers" advertising 816 00:38:27,189 --> 00:38:29,768 on the one hand and the potential consequences 817 00:38:29,809 --> 00:38:33,971 of what that brings into the home on the other. 818 00:38:38,964 --> 00:38:42,293 I was asking for... for them to create a doll 819 00:38:42,334 --> 00:38:44,124 that had never been created before 820 00:38:44,166 --> 00:38:45,663 to do things on film that had never 821 00:38:45,705 --> 00:38:47,536 been done before. 822 00:38:47,578 --> 00:38:50,281 This is a breath before CGI. There was no way out. 823 00:38:50,282 --> 00:38:52,447 It was all on camera, live or die. 824 00:38:54,277 --> 00:38:57,064 And we built the apartment up... the apartment set... 825 00:38:57,106 --> 00:39:00,685 four feet off the ground. 826 00:39:00,727 --> 00:39:02,391 We punched holes through the set 827 00:39:02,433 --> 00:39:04,346 behind the doll so you couldn't see the wires 828 00:39:04,388 --> 00:39:06,468 directly behind it. 829 00:39:12,086 --> 00:39:14,957 I mean, I used every trick in the book 830 00:39:14,999 --> 00:39:17,578 to try to maintain... 831 00:39:17,620 --> 00:39:20,907 the illusion that the doll was alive and moving. 832 00:39:20,949 --> 00:39:23,279 Hi. 833 00:39:23,321 --> 00:39:24,652 It's me, Chucky. 834 00:39:24,694 --> 00:39:27,482 What do you think? 835 00:39:27,524 --> 00:39:30,478 Mommy... 836 00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:32,077 I mean, think about it: you're being chased 837 00:39:32,101 --> 00:39:34,972 by something this big with a knife! 838 00:39:35,013 --> 00:39:36,345 You know, I mean... 839 00:39:36,387 --> 00:39:37,926 You know, how do you sell that? 840 00:39:40,714 --> 00:39:43,252 Well... did, didn't we? 841 00:39:43,294 --> 00:39:45,333 Chucky is a piece of horror history. 842 00:39:45,375 --> 00:39:46,872 Chucky's face sits 843 00:39:46,914 --> 00:39:49,619 on that horror Hall of Fame board 844 00:39:49,661 --> 00:39:51,990 right next to the guy in the hockey mask, 845 00:39:52,032 --> 00:39:54,570 right next to the Michael Myers mask, 846 00:39:54,612 --> 00:39:56,360 Freddy's glove... 847 00:39:56,401 --> 00:39:57,566 he's in there. 848 00:40:00,687 --> 00:40:02,226 narrator: "Child's Play" was violent, 849 00:40:02,268 --> 00:40:03,807 but no one would mistake it 850 00:40:03,849 --> 00:40:06,055 for the grim realism of "Maniac." 851 00:40:12,754 --> 00:40:15,084 narrator: Chucky was following a trail blazed 852 00:40:15,126 --> 00:40:16,749 by one of the most famous characters 853 00:40:16,790 --> 00:40:18,163 in the history of horror... 854 00:40:18,204 --> 00:40:21,242 Freddy Krueger. 855 00:40:21,284 --> 00:40:22,865 You know, "Nightmare on Elm Street" 856 00:40:22,907 --> 00:40:24,488 came out in 1984, 857 00:40:24,530 --> 00:40:26,235 and I remember seeing that movie 858 00:40:26,277 --> 00:40:28,066 and I was so excited about the fact that, 859 00:40:28,108 --> 00:40:30,521 "Ooh, there's a new twist to this sub-genre," 860 00:40:30,563 --> 00:40:32,852 that now the rules of... 861 00:40:32,894 --> 00:40:36,306 of any sort of world don't apply. 862 00:40:36,347 --> 00:40:38,095 narrator: In part two, we'll see how 863 00:40:38,136 --> 00:40:39,759 "A Nightmare on Elm Street" 864 00:40:39,801 --> 00:40:42,089 brought slashers back from the grave... 865 00:40:42,131 --> 00:40:44,253 Freddy is in the imagination 866 00:40:44,295 --> 00:40:45,710 of the person he's haunting... 867 00:40:45,751 --> 00:40:47,498 And the imagination 868 00:40:47,540 --> 00:40:49,288 is larger than life. 869 00:40:49,329 --> 00:40:51,160 narrator: Dive into the psychosexual darkness 870 00:40:51,202 --> 00:40:52,908 of "Candyman"... 871 00:40:52,950 --> 00:40:54,738 You have to be able to deliver the scares, 872 00:40:54,780 --> 00:40:56,504 and you have to be able to make people talk about it 873 00:40:56,528 --> 00:40:58,526 long after you've gone. 874 00:40:58,567 --> 00:41:00,665 narrator: Watch as "Scream" turns the genre inside-out... 875 00:41:00,689 --> 00:41:02,395 I thought I was in 876 00:41:02,436 --> 00:41:04,101 a documentary about a serial killer, 877 00:41:04,142 --> 00:41:08,345 and they're playing this, you know, for laughs. 878 00:41:08,387 --> 00:41:09,844 narrator: "The Silence of the Lambs" 879 00:41:09,885 --> 00:41:11,798 makes grisly horror respectable. 880 00:41:11,799 --> 00:41:13,090 Love your suit. 881 00:41:14,837 --> 00:41:16,917 narrator: And 21st-century anxiety leads 882 00:41:16,959 --> 00:41:20,745 to the no-holds-barred terror of "Saw" and "Hostel." 883 00:41:20,787 --> 00:41:22,701 People who don't 884 00:41:22,743 --> 00:41:25,697 see these films take them way more seriously 885 00:41:25,739 --> 00:41:27,653 than the people who do. 886 00:41:27,694 --> 00:41:29,400 We wanted to make something 887 00:41:29,442 --> 00:41:31,814 that was super scary, and we'd inadvertently 888 00:41:31,855 --> 00:41:34,768 become known as the kings of torture porn. 65899

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