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When you say
"slasher movies,"
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that's when the killer
became the star.
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Don't go in there!
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"Halloween," it happens
to be the Cadillac
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of slasher movies.
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You don't know what it is...
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That makes
Michael Myers go, "Her!"
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"Psycho" was the first time
I was aware of the editing.
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The assembly
of pieces of film...
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To create fright.
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"Texas Chainsaw Massacre"
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is one of the most
important movies.
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That ratchets up horror
to a whole other level.
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That's the one
that defined me.
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Sometimes you just want
to sit down and watch Jason
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take out a lot
of stupid teenagers.
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There are a number
of pictures where you're able
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to actually take your deepest,
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most antisocial impulses
for a walk.
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"Horror" became a dirty word
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in the late '70s, early '80s.
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These films hate women.
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55% of that audience
was women.
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They're the final girls.
That's who you identify with.
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There's the moment
in "Halloween"
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where I'm standing behind...
This house.
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I don't know anybody yet.
I'm 19 years old,
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and saying to myself,
"What am I doing?
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How do I do this?"
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And then you hear,
"All right, everybody.
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"Here we go, we're rolling!
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Cameras rolling!"
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And I have to start screaming.
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And I had never screamed
in my life.
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Who screams?
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No!
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I suppose,
for a lot of people
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who grew up on
"Friday the 13th,"
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"Halloween," "Scream,"
horror equals gore.
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You have the idea
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that all horror films
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are slasher films,
which is wrong,
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and then you have the idea
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that, uh, slasher films
are purely misogynistic
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and that the only people
who watch them are men,
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and that's also wrong.
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narrator: The most
extreme form
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of horror films... slashers...
have been vilified
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since they first
came on the scene.
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narrator: But they have also
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been tremendously popular.
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The worst of them
can still be entertaining.
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The best of them tell us
brutal truths about ourselves,
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our fears,
and our secret desires.
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1974, Bob Clark comes in
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with "Black Christmas."
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That is the first
POV of slasher:
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girls in the sorority house
over the holiday...
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But that becomes
sort of the... the precursor
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to John Carpenter,
who comes in with "Halloween."
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"Halloween," technically,
is a slasher movie.
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but it happens to be
the Cadillac
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of slasher movies.
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"Halloween" also made
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horror films mainstream.
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It was one of the ones that
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people who "don't like
horror movies" still watch.
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"Halloween"
is remarkably effective,
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like, from the opening
long take of a child
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looking through a mask.
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A young boy
murders his sister
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and is put away
in a mental institution.
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And 16 years later...
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he escapes
and comes back to the town
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and to the scene of the crime.
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And over the course
of Halloween day,
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Michael Myers slowly
lets his presence known
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to Laurie Strode.
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Tommy, hurry up!
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Tommy, please!
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This is rare in a lot
of horror films...
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actually, like,
a likeable lead.
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You know,
in "Friday the 13th,"
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you want both
of those actors to die.
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You don't want
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Jamie Lee Curtis to die.
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You want Jamie Lee Curtis
to survive.
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I think it all had
to do with emotion.
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John said very clearly
what he wanted.
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He said, "I really want
her vulnerability."
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It's why he cast me,
apparently,
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and I didn't really
understand that at 19.
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And I learned what John meant
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when I went
and saw the movie
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in Hollywood at a theater.
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There's the sequence
where Laurie Strode leaves
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the babysitting house...
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and there's this long walk
between the two houses.
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And of course,
the entire audience
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started screaming,
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"Don't go in there!"
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And that's when I understood
what John was going for
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was that you cared enough
about her
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that you would tell her,
"Don't do this."
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So much of horror
is about mood, atmosphere,
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and cinematic style.
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John Carpenter
using the wide screen
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and the Panaglide camera
starting with "Halloween,"
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it's something
that makes the film
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that much more effective.
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When I met John,
I was immediately impressed
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that he wanted
to use the camera
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to tell the story, rather than
just a recording device.
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The Steadicam...
the Panaglide at the time...
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was one of those tools
that John and I looked at
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as being a key technique...
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moving the camera fluidly.
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You didn't know
where Michael Myers was.
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You know,
you saw him outside,
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and then you'd be in
making out, you know,
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on a couch, and it's like,
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"Okay, he's out there
someplace."
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Like, you'll watch a lot
of these movies
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and you're not scared anymore.
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And when you think, of like,
Michael Myers, like,
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I was freaked out for years.
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Just the idea of some, just,
dude popping out of places...
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and murdering
you real quick.
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Oh!
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Michael Myers
is the human being
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that's actually a wolf
wearing a human face.
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You know, the human
that just ain't human.
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What you saw in the sequels
was an attempt
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to kind of shoehorn in, uh,
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other characters
or other mythologies
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just to make it
more interesting.
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In "Halloween Il,"
they make it that Laurie
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and Michael Myers
are brother and sister.
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That Strode girl?
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That's Michael Myers' sister.
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He's not her brother.
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She's not his sister.
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That's just bull.
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Nobody was coming
from that point of view
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when they were making
the first one.
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And what makes
the first one so good
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is the fact that
you don't know what it is
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that makes
Michael Myers go, "Her."
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"Halloween" was one
of the first films
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to really initiate
the final girl as a trope.
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A main character
who's a woman
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who is first a victim
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and ultimately, a survivor
who fights back.
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It's a formula
that really worked,
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and it's become so common
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that I think most people
don't even think about it.
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Go upstairs, get Lindsey,
and lock the bedroom door.
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- I'm scared!
- Do as I say!
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- The boogeyman...
- It's pure.
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There's something very pure
and clean about it.
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No!
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Innocence and danger
coming together
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with that music
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and that camera work
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and the performances
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is why I think we're still
talking about it today.
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narrator: John Carpenter's
"Halloween"
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launched the slasher boom
of the '80s.
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Its influence
is still felt today.
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But it didn't come out
of nowhere.
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Good evening.
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I have some news
that will delight you.
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Murder is not dead.
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Starting with, uh,
Alfred Hitchcock's "Psycho"
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in 1960,
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we started seeing
a new approach to horror.
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It was the, uh... the horror
that didn't come out of, uh,
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some grotesque
radioactive anomaly,
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but it could be
lurking next door.
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A nice young man
like Norman Bates
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could be the new Frankenstein,
the new Dracula.
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Do you go out with friends?
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Well, a... a boy's best friend
is his mother.
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Hitch always thought
it was a comedy.
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He always claimed that.
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The content, as such,
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was, I felt, rather amusing.
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My mother, um...
what is the phrase...
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She isn't quite herself today.
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But it's very perverted
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and very sick.
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There's hangers in the closet
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and stationery with
"Bates Motel" printed on it,
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in case you want to make
your friends back home
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feel envious.
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And the, uh...
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Over there.
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- The bathroom.
- Yeah.
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One of the big things
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that I think to this day was
still shocking about "Psycho"
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was you killed the protagonist
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- 40 minutes in to the movie.
- Yeah.
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Even knowing that
the shower scene
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was coming, I was like,
"Wait, she can't be the one
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- who gets killed."
- "There's so much movie left."
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No!
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"Psycho" raised terror
to a level
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that I had never seen, anyway,
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because it was near realistic.
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No!
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Before "Psycho,"
that was not imaginable,
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that level of terror.
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"Psycho" and Hitchcock
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brought terror
into your shower.
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"Psycho" was the first time
I was aware of the editing...
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And how your mind
gets tricked,
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and what you see off-camera.
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This process of frightening
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is done by means
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of a given medium:
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the medium of pure cinema.
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The assembly of pieces of film
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to create fright.
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That shower scene is one
of the most iconic pieces
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of cinema
ever to be created,
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so much so that it's...
it's burned in people's brains
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who haven't even seen
the movie.
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People know that
Bernard Herrmann's score...
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the...
You know,
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kids grow up, like, doing
that with that sound,
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not knowing what it's from.
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Like, talk about
having made a cultural impact.
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Bernard Herrmann's score
to the film was very dramatic,
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very... very propulsive.
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It's virtually impossible
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for a horror composer
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not to have to wrestle
with the "Psycho" score.
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You cannot avoid it.
You have to deal with it.
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In 1960, I'm sure people
regarded the shower scene
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in "Psycho"
as having gone too far.
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Like, "Alfred Hitchcock's
gone too far this time."
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But it's indelible, it's...
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they're indelible images,
and they're, like,
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forever, like, sort of
in your brain and, like,
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people have bad dreams
thinking about those movies.
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John Carpenter, you know,
was greatly influenced
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by "Psycho," even
to the point of casting
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Janet Lee's daughter,
Jamie Lee Curtis,
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in the lead role.
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Ironic that it's
the same genre...
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same family.
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Obviously, it was
the biggest...
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thing in her life,
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as I know that
"Halloween" is mine.
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So when I jokingly say to you,
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""Halloween' Actress Dies"...
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that's what it will say.
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Nothing else.
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Just like my mom.
""Psycho' Actress Dies."
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Because of Hitchcock,
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people will accept cinema
first in a thriller...
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in a way they won't accept it
in a love story,
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in a way they won't accept it
in a period drama,
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in a way they won't accept it
in almost...
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most every other genre,
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because Hitchcock
taught people
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to be thinking of cinema first.
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We're just naturally okay
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with the camera taking off
and doing things.
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I think it's fair to say
that "Psycho"
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was a turning point...
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Certainly in American
filmmaking...
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and in Hollywood filmmaking,
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because there was no one
more establishment
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than Alfred Hitchcock.
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And there was no turning back.
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There was no turning back.
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narrator: "Psycho" influenced
every horror film to come,
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and it paved the way
for a new kind
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of movie monster...
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narrator:
The chainsaw-wielding
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serial killer.
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If you think about
the landmarks
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"Psycho" and "Halloween,"
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clearly the bridge
between the two
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is Tobe Hooper's
"The Texas Chainsaw Massacre."
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Yeah.
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Out of every movie
that we've talked about,
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that's the one
that defined me.
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Like, that's everything
I wanted in a movie
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and everything I ever wanted
to do in movies.
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It was just disgusting
and nasty,
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and that redneck thing...
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- Relentless.
- That movie just changed
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the way I thought about movies.
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- Yeah.
- Instantly.
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We decided to re-watch
"Texas Chainsaw Massacre,"
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like, a month ago.
I watched it eight times.
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"Texas Chainsaw Massacre"
is one of the most
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important movies, to me,
of all horror films.
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You walk into a movie called
"Texas Chainsaw Massacre,"
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and you expect the worst.
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And you get it.
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It was incredibly potent
and visceral...
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There was an imagination...
a dark imagination...
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that had no limits.
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It just starts with that great,
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like, dreadful,
somber narration
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at the beginning of the story.
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So right off the bat,
you're thinking, "Wow,
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is this based on a true story?"
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And then they flash
this date...
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It really feels like
you were dropped
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into, uh, watching something
happen for real.
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This heat is just
driving me crazy,
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I don't know if
I can take much more.
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- Listen, the condition...
- "Texas Chainsaw Massacre"
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was the first one
where I thought
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- they were real people.
- Yeah.
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I never looked
at them as actors.
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You don't see
any on-screen violence.
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- It's all implied.
- The hook... puts her
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- hanging on the meat hook.
- When he picks her up,
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and he's holding her
over the hook...
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And you came out
of that movie
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certain that you remembered,
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"Oh, yeah, remember, you see
the hook go through her."
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But your mind just
put it all together.
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Stop.
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"Texas Chainsaw"
is inspired
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by the Ed Gein story
from, uh, Wisconsin.
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female reporter:
It was a crime that shocked
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the small town of
Plainfield, Wisconsin.
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Edward Gein,
accused of killing a woman,
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then gutting her body
like a slaughtered deer.
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Tobe told me that he...
when he was a kid,
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they would tell him the story
of this guy, Ed Gein.
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reporter: He would use
those body parts and bones
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to make lamp shades
and other furniture.
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He would also wear
dead female body parts.
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And so they used
to use Ed Gein
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as a cautionary tale.
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"Don't be bad,
or Ed Gein will come for you."
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Someone once said
before Tobe Hooper,
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there had been plenty
of films about psychopaths,
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but when you saw
"Texas Chainsaw Massacre,"
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it was the first time
you saw a film that seemed
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like it had been directed
by a psychopath.
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Tobe, he had
a sweetness to him.
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At the same time, he would
try to rip your head off
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if you... if you even messed
with a frame of his movie.
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If you'll pardon my French,
they didn't give a
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about what people thought
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about the movie
they were making.
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The conditions
of making that movie
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were so primitive.
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I mean, these guys,
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they borrowed 16-millimeter
Aeroflex cameras
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from the University of Texas
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under the hottest,
worst conditions.
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It was like 120 degrees,
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and they were like,
"Let's go out there
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and stir it up."
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It was not a pleasant
experience for anyone,
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and it's reflected in the film.
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I don't think
Tobe Hooper set out
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to make a movie about Vietnam,
but he could not help
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but reflect the rebellion
that was going on.
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male reporter:
Subsequent investigation...
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The times were political,
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and the times were,
you... you know,
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steeped in Vietnam.
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Hit her, Grandpa!
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"The Texas
Chainsaw Massacre"
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is a very American story,
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and... and in some ways, uh,
a capitalistic story.
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The place where they shoot
the cattle in the head
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with that big air gun thing.
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Oh, that... that gun's no good.
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I was in there once
with my uncle...
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What
"Texas Chainsaw Massacre"
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is really about
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is a family
of dispossessed workers.
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With a sledge.
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See, that was better.
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They died better that way.
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Because of automation
and loss of jobs,
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they no longer have
the means, you know,
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to earn th... a living
for themselves.
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With the new
way, people put out of jobs.
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The oppressed working class
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turn the tools
of their trade
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back upon
their former employers...
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the chainsaw,
the hammer, and so on...
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but it's also tied in
with psychic repression,
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because, like, people love
the meat on their plate
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but don't want to think
about how it gets made.
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And by substituting
the teenagers for the cattle
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and the former
dispossessed workers
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enacting revenge against them,
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it's a kind of un-repression
both of meat itself
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and of working-class labor.
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And Tobe called that movie
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"a $60,000 flare"
he shot up from Austin.
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And I mean, it's in
the Museum of Modern Art now.
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It's a classic,
but it's unmatched after that.
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I mean, that ratchets up horror
to a whole other level.
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narrator: "Texas Chainsaw,"
"Halloween," and "Psycho"
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00:20:01,558 --> 00:20:03,762
opened the gates
for a new kind of horror.
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00:20:05,635 --> 00:20:08,422
But the slasher film
as we know it was truly born
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00:20:08,464 --> 00:20:10,670
with the most successful
horror franchise
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of all time...
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"Friday the 13th."
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00:20:20,282 --> 00:20:22,820
narrator: When you think
of "Friday the 13th,"
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you think of dead teenagers...
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narrator: And the unstoppable
Jason Voorhees.
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00:20:30,559 --> 00:20:32,432
Growing up when I did,
we all watched
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"Friday the 13th"...
one, two, three, four,
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five, six, seven.
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00:20:37,218 --> 00:20:38,632
Eight was horrible.
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00:20:41,878 --> 00:20:43,542
But in terms
of character names...
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Jason Voorhees.
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It... it was just evil.
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I believe
that I have murdered
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more people on film
than any actor in history.
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00:20:58,272 --> 00:21:03,432
I played Jason in four
of the "Friday the 13th" films.
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00:21:03,474 --> 00:21:06,219
There's a lot more to playing
a character like Jason
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than throwing the mask on
and, you know,
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walking around threateningly,
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00:21:10,963 --> 00:21:14,667
because two of the major tools
an actor uses
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are their facial expressions
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and their voice.
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00:21:19,244 --> 00:21:21,907
So now, you take away
both of those
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00:21:21,948 --> 00:21:23,946
by making him silent
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and putting a mask on him.
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00:21:31,145 --> 00:21:33,724
So I always was conscious
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00:21:33,766 --> 00:21:36,970
of Jason never looking awkward
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or off-balance or weak.
439
00:21:38,843 --> 00:21:41,172
I would never look down
to see where I was walking,
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00:21:41,214 --> 00:21:43,003
because I thought
it weakened the character.
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00:21:45,916 --> 00:21:48,538
My favorite Jason kill...
which was my favorite
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00:21:48,579 --> 00:21:50,743
all-time kill for a long time...
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00:21:50,785 --> 00:21:53,572
was the sleeping bag
from "Part VII."
444
00:22:00,064 --> 00:22:02,186
I put my heart and soul
into that character
445
00:22:02,228 --> 00:22:04,392
and loved playing it.
446
00:22:04,433 --> 00:22:07,179
Name the killer
in "Friday the 13th."
447
00:22:07,221 --> 00:22:09,759
Jason! Jason! Jason!
448
00:22:09,801 --> 00:22:12,922
I'm sorry.
That's the wrong answer.
449
00:22:14,835 --> 00:22:17,499
narrator: Jason is synonymous
with "Friday the 13th,"
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but he's barely seen
in the original film.
451
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The rest of the formula,
though, was in place.
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00:22:24,406 --> 00:22:25,862
"Friday the 13th"
is a story
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about a group
of camp counselors
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who've come up
to set up a camp...
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Well, come on.
Let's go.
456
00:22:31,147 --> 00:22:32,770
I thought we had two weeks.
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And have been
sort of targeted
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by a mysterious killer.
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00:22:36,307 --> 00:22:38,304
No...
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No...
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One or two or three
of them get picked off,
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and you say, "Oh, my goodness,
anybody could go at any time."
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00:22:51,785 --> 00:22:54,282
Something's wrong with Ned.
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00:22:54,324 --> 00:22:56,362
That was, I think,
part of the... the secret
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to the suspense
that we were able to create.
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00:23:01,647 --> 00:23:03,977
It must be my imagination.
467
00:23:12,674 --> 00:23:15,670
We needed somebody that knew
a lot more than we did
468
00:23:15,712 --> 00:23:17,376
about how to pull off
a special effect.
469
00:23:17,418 --> 00:23:18,999
You wanna stab
somebody with a knife.
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00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:20,538
How do you do it?
You can't just get
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00:23:20,579 --> 00:23:22,619
a rubber knife and...
and start...
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00:23:22,660 --> 00:23:24,117
You know, going at people.
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00:23:24,158 --> 00:23:25,365
And we were fortunate enough
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00:23:25,407 --> 00:23:27,196
to run into a guy
named Tom Savini,
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00:23:27,238 --> 00:23:30,234
and he just couldn't wait
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00:23:30,276 --> 00:23:33,063
to get involved,
and he had such wonderful,
477
00:23:33,105 --> 00:23:35,018
positive energy.
478
00:23:37,100 --> 00:23:40,886
Kevin Bacon was, uh, sitting
upright underneath the bed.
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00:23:40,927 --> 00:23:44,589
His... only his head
came through the bed.
480
00:23:46,379 --> 00:23:48,417
So I'm actually pushing
the arrow through
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the fake chest and neck,
482
00:23:50,747 --> 00:23:54,035
and my assistant, uh,
was pumping the blood.
483
00:23:54,077 --> 00:23:57,031
Now, while he was pumping
the blood, the tubing came off
484
00:23:57,073 --> 00:23:59,111
the blood pump,
and during the take,
485
00:23:59,153 --> 00:24:01,275
he grabbed it
and blew through it,
486
00:24:01,317 --> 00:24:03,896
which caused the nice gurgling
of the blood.
487
00:24:07,267 --> 00:24:09,389
So it was a happy accident
that made the effect,
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00:24:09,430 --> 00:24:11,178
you know, a I... so much better.
489
00:24:11,220 --> 00:24:13,966
What makes
"Friday the 13th" a classic
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is the reveal of Mrs. Voorhees.
491
00:24:16,213 --> 00:24:18,376
Steve!
492
00:24:18,418 --> 00:24:20,458
Oh, Steve!
493
00:24:23,494 --> 00:24:25,451
Who are you?
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00:24:25,492 --> 00:24:27,281
Well, I... I'm Mrs. Voorhees,
495
00:24:27,323 --> 00:24:29,237
an old friend of the Christys'.
496
00:24:29,279 --> 00:24:31,901
Everyone's trying
to survive, uh,
497
00:24:31,941 --> 00:24:33,689
as they're being knocked off
one by one
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00:24:33,731 --> 00:24:35,787
by a killer that they
don't know, and then you reveal
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00:24:35,811 --> 00:24:37,809
it's the mother
of this drowned boy.
500
00:24:37,851 --> 00:24:40,638
You see,
Jason was my son.
501
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:45,631
A mother was driven mad
by her child drowning
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00:24:45,673 --> 00:24:48,253
and seeing the world ignore it
and go by
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00:24:48,295 --> 00:24:49,834
and think that they
can just restart
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00:24:49,876 --> 00:24:51,374
and go on with their lives.
505
00:24:51,416 --> 00:24:53,496
The manifestation
of grief is actually
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00:24:53,538 --> 00:24:56,492
very poetic and relatable.
507
00:24:58,822 --> 00:25:01,360
We started to hear
some of the score
508
00:25:01,402 --> 00:25:03,982
that Harry was writing for
the first "Friday the 13th,"
509
00:25:04,023 --> 00:25:06,603
and this... this...
510
00:25:06,645 --> 00:25:08,476
Kept coming up.
511
00:25:12,263 --> 00:25:16,589
You remember a scene
at the very end, uh...
512
00:25:16,631 --> 00:25:21,000
where Mrs. Voorhees... uh,
Betsy Palmer, rest her soul.
513
00:25:21,042 --> 00:25:24,122
Dear Betsy.
We hear, uh, her son go...
514
00:25:24,163 --> 00:25:26,035
"Kill her, Mommy.
515
00:25:26,077 --> 00:25:27,450
Kill her."
516
00:25:27,492 --> 00:25:29,863
And that's what
kicked it off for me.
517
00:25:29,905 --> 00:25:33,526
I went, "She hears
voices in her head."
518
00:25:33,567 --> 00:25:35,606
I went up to
a microphone and went,
519
00:25:35,648 --> 00:25:37,229
"K... ma..."
520
00:25:37,270 --> 00:25:38,893
And then it came out...
521
00:25:38,935 --> 00:25:40,724
Kih... mah...
522
00:25:40,766 --> 00:25:43,637
And it literally became
the signature
523
00:25:43,678 --> 00:25:46,508
of that series,
the sound that...
524
00:25:46,549 --> 00:25:48,297
what they call
"the Jason sound."
525
00:25:48,339 --> 00:25:51,376
Look what you did to him!
526
00:25:59,573 --> 00:26:01,529
I remember thinking
the movie was over.
527
00:26:01,571 --> 00:26:03,235
You remember,
she was on the lake.
528
00:26:03,277 --> 00:26:04,834
And I thought the m...
I legitimately was like,
529
00:26:04,858 --> 00:26:06,273
"Aw, the movie's over.
530
00:26:06,314 --> 00:26:08,561
She's at the boat."
531
00:26:13,346 --> 00:26:16,301
He jumped out that water.
I lost it.
532
00:26:16,342 --> 00:26:18,381
I don't even know
how I fell for that.
533
00:26:18,423 --> 00:26:19,962
To this day...
534
00:26:20,004 --> 00:26:22,418
was the loudest
I ever screamed in my life.
535
00:26:22,459 --> 00:26:24,998
The boy, Jason.
536
00:26:26,745 --> 00:26:27,869
Jason?
537
00:26:27,910 --> 00:26:29,034
Nobody knew that was
538
00:26:29,075 --> 00:26:31,031
going to become a franchise,
539
00:26:31,072 --> 00:26:33,486
but it was certainly easy
to replicate.
540
00:26:38,854 --> 00:26:42,266
The... my biggest regret is
putting the bag over his head.
541
00:26:45,262 --> 00:26:47,175
So then, doing "Part Ill,"
542
00:26:47,217 --> 00:26:50,629
this guy we had hired
as a... as a 3-D expert
543
00:26:50,671 --> 00:26:52,003
was also a hockey player.
544
00:26:52,044 --> 00:26:53,376
And I was trying
to figure out...
545
00:26:53,418 --> 00:26:54,558
you know, I wasn't gonna
do the bag again.
546
00:26:54,582 --> 00:26:55,956
"What are we gonna do?"
547
00:26:55,998 --> 00:26:57,620
And one day,
he walked into my office
548
00:26:57,662 --> 00:27:00,824
with a goalie mask
and said, "How about this?"
549
00:27:04,735 --> 00:27:05,858
It was perfect.
550
00:27:05,900 --> 00:27:07,107
It was, immediately...
551
00:27:07,148 --> 00:27:08,397
that was gonna be great.
552
00:27:13,556 --> 00:27:15,595
I don't understand
how, in the first one,
553
00:27:15,637 --> 00:27:17,801
he's like an 11-year-old
who jumps out of the lake,
554
00:27:17,842 --> 00:27:19,923
and then he's built like a...
555
00:27:19,965 --> 00:27:21,421
a WCW wrestler.
556
00:27:23,002 --> 00:27:24,833
I don't understand
what happened
557
00:27:24,875 --> 00:27:26,373
where he suddenly got
all jacked.
558
00:27:29,410 --> 00:27:30,742
You know,
after the first movies
559
00:27:30,784 --> 00:27:32,365
and the subsequent sequels
became,
560
00:27:32,406 --> 00:27:34,654
"Who are these,
you know, awful kids
561
00:27:34,695 --> 00:27:36,234
"that we sort of hate
and we can't wait
562
00:27:36,276 --> 00:27:37,650
for Jason to take them out?"
563
00:27:46,554 --> 00:27:49,799
I've always thought that
the slasher films of the 1980s
564
00:27:49,841 --> 00:27:51,464
didn't really work
as horror fiction.
565
00:27:51,505 --> 00:27:53,877
But they worked pretty well
as slapstick comedies...
566
00:27:57,497 --> 00:27:59,703
And the reason
for that is, you know,
567
00:27:59,745 --> 00:28:02,033
the characters are never
allowed to be anything
568
00:28:02,074 --> 00:28:03,864
except one-dimensional types.
569
00:28:03,906 --> 00:28:05,570
You've got a gang
of teenagers.
570
00:28:05,612 --> 00:28:07,483
You've got the jock.
You've got the stoner.
571
00:28:07,525 --> 00:28:09,689
You've got the slut.
You've got the virgin.
572
00:28:09,731 --> 00:28:11,146
You never care about them,
573
00:28:11,187 --> 00:28:12,643
you never fall
in love with them,
574
00:28:12,685 --> 00:28:14,433
and so when
the serial killer starts
575
00:28:14,474 --> 00:28:17,554
knocking them off
one by one...
576
00:28:17,596 --> 00:28:20,966
You laugh instead of
recoil in horror,
577
00:28:21,008 --> 00:28:23,920
because he's actually more
of a personality than they are.
578
00:28:27,249 --> 00:28:29,288
With the success
579
00:28:29,329 --> 00:28:30,828
of "Friday the 13th"
and the success
580
00:28:30,869 --> 00:28:33,283
of "Halloween,"
people just were...
581
00:28:33,324 --> 00:28:36,153
producers were ravenous
to find material
582
00:28:36,195 --> 00:28:39,691
and knowing that, "Oh,
well this is the formula."
583
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,642
One of the by-products of...
of the success
584
00:28:44,684 --> 00:28:47,347
of "Friday the 13th"
and a few other movies
585
00:28:47,389 --> 00:28:50,218
was that people on the outside
are looking in, saying,
586
00:28:50,260 --> 00:28:52,215
"Oh, they killed ten people
587
00:28:52,257 --> 00:28:53,630
"and they made
a lot of money.
588
00:28:53,672 --> 00:28:55,502
"We'll kill 20 people,
589
00:28:55,544 --> 00:28:58,581
and we'll make
a lot more than that."
590
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:03,658
narrator: By the early '80s,
591
00:29:03,699 --> 00:29:05,405
slasher movies
glutted the market.
592
00:29:05,447 --> 00:29:07,070
Audiences loved them,
593
00:29:07,111 --> 00:29:09,566
but they also inspired
outright hatred.
594
00:29:11,481 --> 00:29:13,205
narrator: Where some saw
harmless entertainment,
595
00:29:13,229 --> 00:29:14,976
others saw a threat
to society.
596
00:29:19,719 --> 00:29:21,592
Come on, baby.
597
00:29:21,634 --> 00:29:23,465
Light my fire.
598
00:29:23,507 --> 00:29:25,253
You bet I will.
599
00:29:28,249 --> 00:29:30,080
I gotta tell you something,
600
00:29:30,122 --> 00:29:33,035
the worst horror movie I ever
saw was great, okay?
601
00:29:33,076 --> 00:29:34,800
- Yeah, that's true.
- That's the way that I am,
602
00:29:34,824 --> 00:29:36,489
because I go in there
and I say,
603
00:29:36,530 --> 00:29:38,403
"What am I gonna see?
I don't know."
604
00:29:38,444 --> 00:29:41,065
A movie that's PG-13
605
00:29:41,107 --> 00:29:42,564
that's a horror movie,
606
00:29:42,606 --> 00:29:44,770
it's gotta be scary in some way
607
00:29:44,810 --> 00:29:46,476
that's really artistic.
608
00:29:51,052 --> 00:29:53,757
Once you get to R
and once you get to Unrated,
609
00:29:53,798 --> 00:29:55,796
you're saying, "I don't know
what I'm gonna see."
610
00:29:55,838 --> 00:29:58,709
I got one word for you:
"Maniac."
611
00:30:04,576 --> 00:30:06,656
"Maniac" is one
of my favorite movies,
612
00:30:06,698 --> 00:30:08,296
and I had a feeling
you'd like it, which is why...
613
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:09,545
- "Maniac"... oh, of course.
- As a gift for you,
614
00:30:09,569 --> 00:30:10,960
I brought you
a "Maniaction" figure.
615
00:30:10,984 --> 00:30:12,274
Holy!
616
00:30:12,315 --> 00:30:13,730
We did not
rehearse this, folks.
617
00:30:13,771 --> 00:30:15,602
Look!
618
00:30:15,644 --> 00:30:16,976
A "Maniaction" figure.
619
00:30:17,017 --> 00:30:19,014
I'm so excited,
I almost dropped it!
620
00:30:19,056 --> 00:30:21,303
It's a "Maniac" bloody scalp.
621
00:30:21,345 --> 00:30:23,467
- It's... isn't that sweet?
- Yeah, it really is.
622
00:30:23,508 --> 00:30:25,381
I mean, I don't know
how to thank you for that.
623
00:30:31,331 --> 00:30:33,786
"Maniac" is about a guy
named Frank Zito
624
00:30:33,828 --> 00:30:36,740
who's a very...
ah, oddball character
625
00:30:36,782 --> 00:30:39,320
who stalks young women.
626
00:30:39,362 --> 00:30:42,316
And he scalps them
and he takes their scalps home
627
00:30:42,358 --> 00:30:44,064
and he puts them
on these mannequins.
628
00:30:44,106 --> 00:30:45,770
And it is here
he sort of struggles
629
00:30:45,812 --> 00:30:49,349
with this relationship
he had with his mother.
630
00:30:49,391 --> 00:30:52,095
I will never...
631
00:30:54,467 --> 00:30:57,920
let them take you away from me.
632
00:30:57,961 --> 00:31:00,583
It's a very minimalist look
at what happens
633
00:31:00,625 --> 00:31:01,891
inside the mind
of a serial killer.
634
00:31:01,915 --> 00:31:04,453
- You bitch!
- What...
635
00:31:06,450 --> 00:31:08,781
What're you... doing...
636
00:31:10,236 --> 00:31:11,526
Stop it!
637
00:31:11,568 --> 00:31:13,774
What are you doing?
638
00:31:13,815 --> 00:31:16,728
I mean, the original
"Maniac" is mean,
639
00:31:16,770 --> 00:31:20,930
but it's actually
really powerful and,
640
00:31:20,972 --> 00:31:23,011
thanks to Joe Spinell's
performance,
641
00:31:23,053 --> 00:31:25,133
kind of emotional.
642
00:31:25,175 --> 00:31:29,793
Why'd you make me do that?
643
00:31:29,835 --> 00:31:33,331
I didn't wanna do it.
644
00:31:33,372 --> 00:31:36,452
It really, like,
went too far.
645
00:31:36,493 --> 00:31:38,490
You know, watching that movie,
you really felt like
646
00:31:38,532 --> 00:31:41,070
the killing scenes
were really protracted
647
00:31:41,112 --> 00:31:43,067
and really brutal
and really grim.
648
00:31:44,940 --> 00:31:47,104
When that movie came out,
it was so controversial
649
00:31:47,146 --> 00:31:49,059
You know, a lot of women
were protesting it
650
00:31:49,101 --> 00:31:51,199
because this idea that it
was misogynistic, of course.
651
00:31:51,223 --> 00:31:54,219
You know, it's like
all these movies get this label
652
00:31:54,261 --> 00:31:56,799
of being misogynistic
because the victims
653
00:31:56,841 --> 00:31:57,922
are primarily women.
654
00:31:57,964 --> 00:32:00,044
...again.
655
00:32:00,086 --> 00:32:02,166
I don't feel like the film's
misogynistic at all.
656
00:32:02,208 --> 00:32:04,330
As a matter of fact,
I feel, as a woman,
657
00:32:04,372 --> 00:32:07,326
it really represents
a realism to me.
658
00:32:07,368 --> 00:32:08,491
It's... it's... it's like
659
00:32:08,533 --> 00:32:10,073
a cathartic experience
in a way,
660
00:32:10,115 --> 00:32:13,193
because women live in
that sort of world every day,
661
00:32:13,235 --> 00:32:14,692
where we have to be hyperaware
662
00:32:14,733 --> 00:32:16,647
of who's around us
and what could happen.
663
00:32:18,395 --> 00:32:20,184
narrator: "Maniac" ends
with a group of women
664
00:32:20,226 --> 00:32:22,223
taking brutal revenge
on the killer.
665
00:32:22,265 --> 00:32:24,428
And this...
666
00:32:24,470 --> 00:32:27,216
narrator: Today, many horror
fans and film scholars
667
00:32:27,258 --> 00:32:29,505
consider it a classic,
but in the '80s,
668
00:32:29,547 --> 00:32:32,501
"Maniac" helped set off
a moral panic.
669
00:32:34,374 --> 00:32:36,745
Horror became a...
a dirty word, I think,
670
00:32:36,787 --> 00:32:38,493
in the late '70s, early '80s,
671
00:32:38,535 --> 00:32:40,698
and I think that the reason
for that was the...
672
00:32:40,740 --> 00:32:42,654
the explosion
of slasher movies.
673
00:32:55,386 --> 00:32:57,176
A new breed
of "shriek merchants"
674
00:32:57,218 --> 00:32:59,506
has exploited
the once honorable genre
675
00:32:59,547 --> 00:33:01,171
of the terror film.
676
00:33:01,212 --> 00:33:04,374
It was a very cheap form
of horror entertainment,
677
00:33:04,416 --> 00:33:06,954
and those slasher films
got a lot of bad press
678
00:33:06,996 --> 00:33:08,286
for brutalizing women,
679
00:33:08,328 --> 00:33:10,492
for violence, for the gore,
680
00:33:10,532 --> 00:33:12,821
and... and the people making
legitimate horror films
681
00:33:12,863 --> 00:33:15,401
were afraid that they were
gonna be tainted, uh,
682
00:33:15,443 --> 00:33:18,481
by the legacy of a lot
of these slasher knock-offs.
683
00:33:18,522 --> 00:33:20,079
I think a lot of people
have the wrong idea.
684
00:33:20,103 --> 00:33:22,100
They identify these films
with earlier thrillers
685
00:33:22,142 --> 00:33:23,890
like "Psycho,"
or even a more recent film
686
00:33:23,931 --> 00:33:25,637
like "Halloween,"
which we both like.
687
00:33:25,679 --> 00:33:27,235
These films aren't
in the same category.
688
00:33:27,260 --> 00:33:29,299
These films hate women.
689
00:33:32,004 --> 00:33:33,585
But don't you find that
690
00:33:33,626 --> 00:33:36,165
in a really effective
horror movie,
691
00:33:36,206 --> 00:33:37,996
blood stains the critics' eyes?
692
00:33:38,037 --> 00:33:39,785
Like, once you get
blood in your eyes...
693
00:33:39,827 --> 00:33:41,615
- Yes, yes.
- You can't wash it out.
694
00:33:41,657 --> 00:33:43,589
- They can't see anything else...
- Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
695
00:33:43,613 --> 00:33:45,485
Other than the kill,
and they also feel like
696
00:33:45,527 --> 00:33:46,942
if they like the movie,
697
00:33:46,984 --> 00:33:48,773
that they're endorsing
that for real...
698
00:33:48,814 --> 00:33:50,312
- or that kind of violence.
- Yeah.
699
00:33:50,354 --> 00:33:51,994
So... so most often,
those reviews just become
700
00:33:52,018 --> 00:33:53,742
a soapbox to be like,
"Look, I'm a good person.
701
00:33:53,766 --> 00:33:55,431
"I'm a good person.
I don't like
702
00:33:55,472 --> 00:33:57,113
this sort of thing,"
but the truth is, we love it.
703
00:33:57,137 --> 00:33:59,591
It's like it's...
it's the enjoying fantasy,
704
00:33:59,633 --> 00:34:01,381
enjoying a scary story.
It's like, it's...
705
00:34:01,423 --> 00:34:04,168
it's no different
from "Grimms' Fairy Tales."
706
00:34:06,790 --> 00:34:09,619
The slasher films celebrate
the female character
707
00:34:09,661 --> 00:34:11,409
because they're
the final girls.
708
00:34:11,450 --> 00:34:13,988
The people who... who survive
the slasher movies
709
00:34:14,030 --> 00:34:16,111
are the final girls,
710
00:34:16,152 --> 00:34:18,109
and that's who
you identify with,
711
00:34:18,149 --> 00:34:19,523
and that's the smart one.
712
00:34:19,564 --> 00:34:21,145
The women are the ones
who are smart.
713
00:34:21,187 --> 00:34:23,119
It's the sex-crazed guys
bringing their girlfriends
714
00:34:23,143 --> 00:34:25,057
to have sex that,
you know, get slaughtered.
715
00:34:27,054 --> 00:34:29,135
Most of the feminists
who were against horror
716
00:34:29,176 --> 00:34:31,632
were not really
watching these films
717
00:34:31,673 --> 00:34:33,338
or analyzing them, you know?
718
00:34:33,380 --> 00:34:35,335
They were just sort of, like,
"Pornography is bad.
719
00:34:35,377 --> 00:34:36,832
Horror films are bad."
You know?
720
00:34:36,874 --> 00:34:38,723
So they weren't actually
engaging with the genre.
721
00:34:38,747 --> 00:34:41,160
These women in danger films
all really boil down
722
00:34:41,202 --> 00:34:43,075
to just one same image,
723
00:34:43,116 --> 00:34:44,655
one disturbing image:
724
00:34:44,697 --> 00:34:47,361
a woman screaming
in abject terror.
725
00:34:47,402 --> 00:34:48,959
Usually it's the people
who don't actually
726
00:34:48,983 --> 00:34:50,481
know anything about the topic
727
00:34:50,522 --> 00:34:52,187
that are the loudest
complainers about it.
728
00:34:52,228 --> 00:34:54,309
And unfortunately,
the audiences that go to them
729
00:34:54,351 --> 00:34:56,015
don't seem to like women
too much, either.
730
00:34:56,057 --> 00:34:57,971
In the '80s,
"The New York Times" conducted,
731
00:34:58,013 --> 00:35:00,468
um, a poll with theatergoers
732
00:35:00,509 --> 00:35:02,715
to find out who was seeing
these slasher films,
733
00:35:02,756 --> 00:35:05,086
and they found out
that 45% of the audience
734
00:35:05,128 --> 00:35:07,042
was made up of adolescents.
735
00:35:07,083 --> 00:35:09,829
55% of that audience was women.
736
00:35:11,827 --> 00:35:13,907
narrator: "Maniac,"
its slasher cousins,
737
00:35:13,949 --> 00:35:15,489
and the Reagan
assassination attempt...
738
00:35:17,361 --> 00:35:18,818
Triggered a crackdown
739
00:35:18,860 --> 00:35:20,190
on realistic violence
and gore.
740
00:35:20,232 --> 00:35:22,105
By 1984,
741
00:35:22,147 --> 00:35:25,018
the golden age
of slasher films was over,
742
00:35:25,059 --> 00:35:27,390
but audiences
still wanted their scares.
743
00:35:27,431 --> 00:35:29,512
So film makers created
744
00:35:29,553 --> 00:35:31,259
a new kind of monster.
745
00:35:35,753 --> 00:35:38,166
Okay, show her.
746
00:35:40,039 --> 00:35:42,743
Well, is it a Good Guy or not?
747
00:35:42,785 --> 00:35:44,700
It is.
It is!
748
00:35:44,741 --> 00:35:46,364
- Wow.
- A Good Guy!
749
00:35:46,406 --> 00:35:48,153
One of the first
experiences of horror
750
00:35:48,195 --> 00:35:51,274
was, uh, "Child's Play."
751
00:35:51,315 --> 00:35:53,313
Hi, I'm Chucky,
752
00:35:53,354 --> 00:35:54,894
and I'm your friend
to the end.
753
00:35:54,936 --> 00:35:56,891
Hi-de-ho!
754
00:35:56,933 --> 00:35:58,241
When I first saw that,
755
00:35:58,265 --> 00:35:59,638
I was about four...
756
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,094
four or five.
757
00:36:01,135 --> 00:36:03,008
So it was just this little
doll and it was cute
758
00:36:03,050 --> 00:36:05,754
and then all of the sudden,
it just came alive.
759
00:36:05,796 --> 00:36:07,253
And it's... it's always
those moments
760
00:36:07,294 --> 00:36:09,124
where the camera is moving...
761
00:36:12,454 --> 00:36:15,158
But you don't... it's kind of
the POV of the doll
762
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,238
that just, like...
it... it just drove me crazy.
763
00:36:24,479 --> 00:36:25,786
And I can be honest.
To this day,
764
00:36:25,810 --> 00:36:27,516
I'm still affected by that.
765
00:36:27,558 --> 00:36:30,429
Nobody believes you
about Chucky.
766
00:36:30,471 --> 00:36:33,508
Unless you
start telling the truth...
767
00:36:33,550 --> 00:36:35,464
right now...
768
00:36:35,505 --> 00:36:37,544
they're going to
take you away from me.
769
00:36:37,586 --> 00:36:38,918
It's about a mother trying
770
00:36:38,959 --> 00:36:41,081
to hold her family together,
771
00:36:41,123 --> 00:36:43,536
defend her... her son
against this, you know...
772
00:36:43,578 --> 00:36:46,158
against the charges
of being a... a murderer.
773
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,238
I mean, a seven-year-old boy?
Horrible.
774
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:49,778
And the boy may be mad.
775
00:36:49,820 --> 00:36:51,568
He keeps insisting
that his little...
776
00:36:51,609 --> 00:36:53,440
that his doll
is talking to him.
777
00:36:53,481 --> 00:36:55,104
Come on, Chucky,
778
00:36:55,146 --> 00:36:57,060
say something!
779
00:36:57,101 --> 00:36:58,725
Tell me!
780
00:36:58,766 --> 00:37:00,722
Hi, I'm Chucky,
781
00:37:00,763 --> 00:37:02,719
and I'm your friend to the end.
782
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:04,425
Hi-dee-ho!
783
00:37:07,713 --> 00:37:10,001
To me,
horror is always about
784
00:37:10,042 --> 00:37:11,582
violating the sacred.
785
00:37:11,623 --> 00:37:14,287
Take a child...
something that we all look at
786
00:37:14,328 --> 00:37:17,449
and coo over and look after
and dote on...
787
00:37:17,491 --> 00:37:18,864
and make them...
788
00:37:18,905 --> 00:37:21,652
the most evil
out there.
789
00:37:21,694 --> 00:37:25,188
And a child's toy
is sacred too.
790
00:37:25,230 --> 00:37:27,977
These are things
we grow up with, and you...
791
00:37:28,018 --> 00:37:31,264
you... you basically cast
horror's black shadow, uh,
792
00:37:31,305 --> 00:37:35,591
over all this sacred,
righteous stuff.
793
00:37:35,633 --> 00:37:37,131
You stupid bitch!
794
00:37:37,172 --> 00:37:38,629
You filthy slut!
795
00:37:38,671 --> 00:37:40,501
I'll teach you
to with me!
796
00:37:40,543 --> 00:37:42,374
- No! No!
- In the 1980s,
797
00:37:42,415 --> 00:37:44,621
advertisers had started
798
00:37:44,663 --> 00:37:48,075
to target children directly.
799
00:37:48,116 --> 00:37:50,446
Brought to you exclusively
by Play Pals,
800
00:37:50,488 --> 00:37:52,401
makers of Good Guys
and other fine toys.
801
00:37:52,443 --> 00:37:54,191
It's like children
had become
802
00:37:54,233 --> 00:37:56,355
these little
consumerist monsters
803
00:37:56,396 --> 00:37:58,768
who could, you know,
coerce their parents
804
00:37:58,810 --> 00:38:00,808
into getting them more
and more stuff
805
00:38:00,849 --> 00:38:02,679
that they didn't need.
806
00:38:02,721 --> 00:38:04,968
- Well, what do you think?
- I want a Good Guy
807
00:38:05,010 --> 00:38:06,633
to go with it.
808
00:38:06,674 --> 00:38:09,004
I know you do, Andy,
but I didn't know about it
809
00:38:09,046 --> 00:38:11,002
in time this month
to save up for it.
810
00:38:11,044 --> 00:38:13,499
I remember
my mother telling me
811
00:38:13,540 --> 00:38:15,912
a crazy story
about fighting someone
812
00:38:15,953 --> 00:38:19,282
in a dark alley
for a Cabbage Patch Kid.
813
00:38:19,324 --> 00:38:22,195
♪ I got my doll,
I got my doll! ♪
814
00:38:22,236 --> 00:38:24,400
We can see this line between
815
00:38:24,442 --> 00:38:27,147
the "direct to children
as consumers" advertising
816
00:38:27,189 --> 00:38:29,768
on the one hand
and the potential consequences
817
00:38:29,809 --> 00:38:33,971
of what that brings
into the home on the other.
818
00:38:38,964 --> 00:38:42,293
I was asking for...
for them to create a doll
819
00:38:42,334 --> 00:38:44,124
that had never been
created before
820
00:38:44,166 --> 00:38:45,663
to do things on film
that had never
821
00:38:45,705 --> 00:38:47,536
been done before.
822
00:38:47,578 --> 00:38:50,281
This is a breath before CGI.
There was no way out.
823
00:38:50,282 --> 00:38:52,447
It was all on camera,
live or die.
824
00:38:54,277 --> 00:38:57,064
And we built the apartment
up... the apartment set...
825
00:38:57,106 --> 00:39:00,685
four feet off the ground.
826
00:39:00,727 --> 00:39:02,391
We punched holes
through the set
827
00:39:02,433 --> 00:39:04,346
behind the doll
so you couldn't see the wires
828
00:39:04,388 --> 00:39:06,468
directly behind it.
829
00:39:12,086 --> 00:39:14,957
I mean, I used
every trick in the book
830
00:39:14,999 --> 00:39:17,578
to try to maintain...
831
00:39:17,620 --> 00:39:20,907
the illusion that the doll
was alive and moving.
832
00:39:20,949 --> 00:39:23,279
Hi.
833
00:39:23,321 --> 00:39:24,652
It's me, Chucky.
834
00:39:24,694 --> 00:39:27,482
What do you think?
835
00:39:27,524 --> 00:39:30,478
Mommy...
836
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:32,077
I mean, think about it:
you're being chased
837
00:39:32,101 --> 00:39:34,972
by something this big
with a knife!
838
00:39:35,013 --> 00:39:36,345
You know, I mean...
839
00:39:36,387 --> 00:39:37,926
You know, how do you sell that?
840
00:39:40,714 --> 00:39:43,252
Well... did, didn't we?
841
00:39:43,294 --> 00:39:45,333
Chucky is a piece
of horror history.
842
00:39:45,375 --> 00:39:46,872
Chucky's face sits
843
00:39:46,914 --> 00:39:49,619
on that horror
Hall of Fame board
844
00:39:49,661 --> 00:39:51,990
right next to the guy
in the hockey mask,
845
00:39:52,032 --> 00:39:54,570
right next
to the Michael Myers mask,
846
00:39:54,612 --> 00:39:56,360
Freddy's glove...
847
00:39:56,401 --> 00:39:57,566
he's in there.
848
00:40:00,687 --> 00:40:02,226
narrator: "Child's Play"
was violent,
849
00:40:02,268 --> 00:40:03,807
but no one would mistake it
850
00:40:03,849 --> 00:40:06,055
for the grim realism
of "Maniac."
851
00:40:12,754 --> 00:40:15,084
narrator: Chucky was
following a trail blazed
852
00:40:15,126 --> 00:40:16,749
by one of the most
famous characters
853
00:40:16,790 --> 00:40:18,163
in the history of horror...
854
00:40:18,204 --> 00:40:21,242
Freddy Krueger.
855
00:40:21,284 --> 00:40:22,865
You know,
"Nightmare on Elm Street"
856
00:40:22,907 --> 00:40:24,488
came out in 1984,
857
00:40:24,530 --> 00:40:26,235
and I remember
seeing that movie
858
00:40:26,277 --> 00:40:28,066
and I was so excited
about the fact that,
859
00:40:28,108 --> 00:40:30,521
"Ooh, there's a new twist
to this sub-genre,"
860
00:40:30,563 --> 00:40:32,852
that now the rules of...
861
00:40:32,894 --> 00:40:36,306
of any sort of world
don't apply.
862
00:40:36,347 --> 00:40:38,095
narrator: In part two,
we'll see how
863
00:40:38,136 --> 00:40:39,759
"A Nightmare on Elm Street"
864
00:40:39,801 --> 00:40:42,089
brought slashers back
from the grave...
865
00:40:42,131 --> 00:40:44,253
Freddy is in the imagination
866
00:40:44,295 --> 00:40:45,710
of the person he's haunting...
867
00:40:45,751 --> 00:40:47,498
And the imagination
868
00:40:47,540 --> 00:40:49,288
is larger than life.
869
00:40:49,329 --> 00:40:51,160
narrator: Dive into
the psychosexual darkness
870
00:40:51,202 --> 00:40:52,908
of "Candyman"...
871
00:40:52,950 --> 00:40:54,738
You have to be able
to deliver the scares,
872
00:40:54,780 --> 00:40:56,504
and you have to be able
to make people talk about it
873
00:40:56,528 --> 00:40:58,526
long after you've gone.
874
00:40:58,567 --> 00:41:00,665
narrator: Watch as "Scream"
turns the genre inside-out...
875
00:41:00,689 --> 00:41:02,395
I thought I was in
876
00:41:02,436 --> 00:41:04,101
a documentary
about a serial killer,
877
00:41:04,142 --> 00:41:08,345
and they're playing this,
you know, for laughs.
878
00:41:08,387 --> 00:41:09,844
narrator: "The Silence of
the Lambs"
879
00:41:09,885 --> 00:41:11,798
makes grisly horror
respectable.
880
00:41:11,799 --> 00:41:13,090
Love your suit.
881
00:41:14,837 --> 00:41:16,917
narrator: And 21st-century
anxiety leads
882
00:41:16,959 --> 00:41:20,745
to the no-holds-barred terror
of "Saw" and "Hostel."
883
00:41:20,787 --> 00:41:22,701
People who don't
884
00:41:22,743 --> 00:41:25,697
see these films take them
way more seriously
885
00:41:25,739 --> 00:41:27,653
than the people who do.
886
00:41:27,694 --> 00:41:29,400
We wanted to make something
887
00:41:29,442 --> 00:41:31,814
that was super scary,
and we'd inadvertently
888
00:41:31,855 --> 00:41:34,768
become known as the kings
of torture porn.
65899
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