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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,132 --> 00:00:04,308 All right, we are in the processing room. 2 00:00:04,482 --> 00:00:07,007 This is the center of the slaughterhouse. 3 00:00:07,181 --> 00:00:09,009 This is where Walter Simms was finally killed 4 00:00:09,183 --> 00:00:11,489 in a shootout with the police. 5 00:00:11,663 --> 00:00:15,972 And this is where we are going to try to contact his ghost. 6 00:00:22,326 --> 00:00:25,503 I definitely sense a presence in here. 7 00:00:25,677 --> 00:00:27,940 A very strong presence. 8 00:00:28,115 --> 00:00:29,725 Yeah, my whole body feels strange. 9 00:00:29,899 --> 00:00:31,422 Hair on my arm's standing up. 10 00:00:31,596 --> 00:00:35,513 I'm gonna roll my EVP recorder, see what we get. 11 00:00:44,914 --> 00:00:47,090 Walter Simms, are you here? 12 00:00:48,700 --> 00:00:50,093 Come on, Walter. 13 00:00:50,267 --> 00:00:51,442 Talk to us. 14 00:00:51,616 --> 00:00:52,617 You still lingering? 15 00:00:54,184 --> 00:00:57,144 Relishing the seven sadistic murders you committed? 16 00:00:58,754 --> 00:01:01,452 I'll tell you what I'm sensing. 17 00:01:01,626 --> 00:01:03,454 It's the boys. 18 00:01:03,628 --> 00:01:04,890 Their pain. 19 00:01:05,065 --> 00:01:06,979 God, do you feel that? 20 00:01:07,154 --> 00:01:09,199 I know the terrible things you went through, 21 00:01:09,373 --> 00:01:12,463 but it's okay. 22 00:01:12,637 --> 00:01:14,465 No one can hurt you now. 23 00:01:19,166 --> 00:01:20,776 Guys, uh, 24 00:01:20,950 --> 00:01:23,561 I'm gonna go in the room where the boys were held. 25 00:01:23,735 --> 00:01:25,476 Maybe it'll be easier to make contact in there. 26 00:01:25,650 --> 00:01:26,999 Okay. 27 00:01:29,176 --> 00:01:31,352 I'm gonna set up for some EMF measurements. Doug. 28 00:01:32,527 --> 00:01:34,224 You want to go check out the hanging room? 29 00:01:35,791 --> 00:01:37,923 All right. 30 00:01:44,626 --> 00:01:47,237 It's been 20 years, and still, 31 00:01:47,411 --> 00:01:49,152 the feeling in this place, it's... 32 00:01:49,326 --> 00:01:51,023 it's hard to describe other than to say it feels... 33 00:01:53,896 --> 00:01:55,593 ...heavy. 34 00:02:06,256 --> 00:02:09,912 This is where Walter Simms did his dirty work. 35 00:02:11,827 --> 00:02:15,874 I want you to show yourself, Walter. 36 00:02:16,048 --> 00:02:18,616 Make yourself known. 37 00:02:20,618 --> 00:02:23,143 Maybe this will entice him. 38 00:02:29,845 --> 00:02:31,499 Yeah, that's right. 39 00:02:31,673 --> 00:02:34,850 Just like the one you used to butcher those boys. 40 00:02:35,024 --> 00:02:37,853 Why don't you come and get it? 41 00:02:38,027 --> 00:02:39,985 It's right there. 42 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:42,118 Or are you too afraid 43 00:02:42,292 --> 00:02:44,642 because I'm not some defenseless little child? 44 00:02:49,212 --> 00:02:50,039 The hooks are moving. 45 00:02:51,867 --> 00:02:54,435 He's here. 46 00:03:04,314 --> 00:03:06,447 Owen! Owen! Owen! 47 00:03:06,621 --> 00:03:07,839 It came from this way. 48 00:03:08,013 --> 00:03:09,319 Where's Doug? Where is Doug? 49 00:03:16,718 --> 00:03:18,110 Are you okay? Owen? 50 00:03:20,069 --> 00:03:21,026 What is that? 51 00:03:36,651 --> 00:03:38,130 Really cheery place. 52 00:03:38,305 --> 00:03:40,220 Yeah, yeah, tell me about it. 53 00:03:40,394 --> 00:03:43,179 I spent a lot of time here working on the original case. 54 00:03:43,353 --> 00:03:45,094 What do you mean, original case? 55 00:03:45,268 --> 00:03:47,183 Oh, uh, 20 years ago, 56 00:03:47,357 --> 00:03:49,229 the security guard, Walter Simms-- 57 00:03:49,403 --> 00:03:51,100 he lived in a trailer on-site. 58 00:03:51,274 --> 00:03:52,710 This guy, Simms, 59 00:03:52,884 --> 00:03:56,018 abducted seven boys over a nine-month period, 60 00:03:56,192 --> 00:03:58,890 brought them here and killed them. 61 00:03:59,064 --> 00:04:00,196 Mmm. And I mean 62 00:04:00,370 --> 00:04:03,068 really grisly stuff. 63 00:04:06,158 --> 00:04:08,900 So he ended up dying here himself. 64 00:04:09,074 --> 00:04:11,381 After escaping his sentencing hearing, 65 00:04:11,555 --> 00:04:12,600 he shot it out with the PD. 66 00:04:12,774 --> 00:04:13,688 So you're saying 67 00:04:13,862 --> 00:04:15,167 that this homicide 68 00:04:15,342 --> 00:04:16,168 is related to the original case. 69 00:04:16,343 --> 00:04:17,561 Yeah, the victim tonight 70 00:04:17,735 --> 00:04:19,302 is rigged up just like the boys were. 71 00:04:25,177 --> 00:04:27,092 The hook, the evisceration-- 72 00:04:27,267 --> 00:04:29,878 exactly what Simms did 20 years ago. 73 00:04:33,621 --> 00:04:35,884 You know, if I didn't know any better, 74 00:04:36,058 --> 00:04:39,844 I'd say that old Walter was back from the dead. 75 00:04:46,808 --> 00:04:49,376 ♪ Who... are you? ♪ 76 00:04:49,550 --> 00:04:52,422 ♪ Who, who, who, who? ♪ 77 00:04:52,596 --> 00:04:55,773 ♪ Who... are you? ♪ 78 00:04:55,947 --> 00:04:56,992 ♪ Who, who, who, who? ♪ 79 00:04:57,166 --> 00:04:59,386 ♪ I really wanna know ♪ 80 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:01,953 ♪ Who... are you? ♪ 81 00:05:02,127 --> 00:05:03,738 ♪ Oh-oh-oh ♪♪ Who...♪ 82 00:05:03,912 --> 00:05:07,307 ♪ Come on, tell me who are you, you, you ♪ 83 00:05:07,481 --> 00:05:10,527 ♪ Are you! ♪ 84 00:05:21,146 --> 00:05:23,105 I remember I was in sixth grade 85 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:24,541 when all this was going on. 86 00:05:24,715 --> 00:05:26,804 Walter Simms-- called him "The Butcher." 87 00:05:26,978 --> 00:05:28,937 Of course, we didn't know it was Simms at the time. 88 00:05:29,111 --> 00:05:30,982 We just knew that kids were disappearing. 89 00:05:31,156 --> 00:05:33,420 Kids... my age. 90 00:05:33,594 --> 00:05:36,031 And even after Simms was killed, 91 00:05:36,205 --> 00:05:37,728 his legend lived on. 92 00:05:37,902 --> 00:05:41,297 They say that if you say his name three times, 93 00:05:41,471 --> 00:05:43,081 he'll come back to life 94 00:05:43,255 --> 00:05:44,735 and gut you. 95 00:05:44,909 --> 00:05:46,737 Maybe that's what happened to our victim. 96 00:05:46,911 --> 00:05:47,956 Let's try it. 97 00:05:48,130 --> 00:05:49,218 I'll conjure him up. 98 00:05:49,392 --> 00:05:50,088 You slap the cuffs on him. 99 00:05:50,262 --> 00:05:52,047 Walter Simms. 100 00:05:52,221 --> 00:05:53,744 Walter Simms. 101 00:05:53,918 --> 00:05:55,006 Walter... 102 00:05:55,180 --> 00:05:56,834 Don't! If you want to do that 103 00:05:57,008 --> 00:05:59,010 sort of stuff, you could do it when I'm gone. 104 00:05:59,184 --> 00:06:00,447 Let's go. 105 00:06:05,669 --> 00:06:07,845 Oh, you can really see why this place spawned 106 00:06:08,019 --> 00:06:09,673 so many ghost stories, huh? 107 00:06:09,847 --> 00:06:11,675 Oh, yeah. This place creeps me out in all kinds of ways. 108 00:06:11,849 --> 00:06:13,198 Slaughterhouse... 109 00:06:13,373 --> 00:06:15,026 This is why I stopped eating meat. 110 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:16,114 Yeah, really. 111 00:06:16,288 --> 00:06:18,160 So, no murder weapon? 112 00:06:18,334 --> 00:06:20,467 No. Smear is from one of the victim's partners. 113 00:06:20,641 --> 00:06:22,077 They're the ones that found him. 114 00:06:22,251 --> 00:06:23,948 The male slipped and fell in the blood 115 00:06:24,122 --> 00:06:26,255 trying to get the victim down. 116 00:06:28,257 --> 00:06:29,824 Did our people touch this? 117 00:06:29,998 --> 00:06:32,304 No. You think it's been moved? 118 00:06:32,479 --> 00:06:34,132 Well, there's blood on the bottom, 119 00:06:34,306 --> 00:06:36,178 but it wasn't in the blood pool. 120 00:06:38,223 --> 00:06:39,921 There's no memory card. 121 00:06:40,095 --> 00:06:41,226 Somebody must have taken it. 122 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:44,491 Hold up your arms. 123 00:06:44,665 --> 00:06:46,275 Okay. 124 00:06:46,449 --> 00:06:48,973 I mean, man, this is just crazy, you know? 125 00:06:49,147 --> 00:06:52,281 I'm gonna need you to give me your clothes at some point, 126 00:06:52,455 --> 00:06:53,717 since you fell in the blood. 127 00:06:53,891 --> 00:06:55,719 Yeah, sure. I got others in the car. 128 00:06:55,893 --> 00:06:58,461 I mean, God, I just can't believe this. 129 00:06:58,635 --> 00:07:01,725 I mean, seriously, Carrie, can you? 130 00:07:03,335 --> 00:07:07,688 So, uh, how long have you been doing this... ghost hunting? 131 00:07:07,862 --> 00:07:09,080 I don't know. 132 00:07:09,254 --> 00:07:11,126 I've always been sensitive, 133 00:07:11,300 --> 00:07:14,738 you know, to... things from the other side. 134 00:07:14,912 --> 00:07:17,393 But working with Doug and Owen-- that's new. 135 00:07:17,567 --> 00:07:19,090 A few months, maybe? 136 00:07:19,264 --> 00:07:22,746 And you were filming for some TV show or something? 137 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:25,445 No, it's, uh, for the Internet, mostly. 138 00:07:25,619 --> 00:07:27,708 A lot of people do this. They upload videos. 139 00:07:27,882 --> 00:07:29,100 It's... it's really nothing. 140 00:07:29,274 --> 00:07:31,015 Well, it's not nothing anymore. 141 00:07:31,189 --> 00:07:32,713 I mean, holy crap, 142 00:07:32,887 --> 00:07:34,932 if we have definitive proof of the spirit world 143 00:07:35,106 --> 00:07:38,762 crossing over like this-- I mean, are you kidding me? 144 00:07:38,936 --> 00:07:40,024 Owen, just stop! 145 00:07:40,198 --> 00:07:41,678 Doug's dead. 146 00:07:43,419 --> 00:07:45,116 You don't really think your friend was killed 147 00:07:45,290 --> 00:07:46,553 by a ghost, do you? 148 00:07:48,032 --> 00:07:49,773 You haven't been inside, have you? 149 00:07:49,947 --> 00:07:53,037 I've been in a lot of haunted places, 150 00:07:53,211 --> 00:07:54,648 and I've never felt 151 00:07:54,822 --> 00:07:57,128 anything as strong as what I felt in there. 152 00:07:57,302 --> 00:07:59,261 That's why I wear this. 153 00:07:59,435 --> 00:08:02,351 It's always protected me. 154 00:08:04,266 --> 00:08:06,094 I'm gonna ask you one question. 155 00:08:06,268 --> 00:08:08,966 Then I'm gonna give you one chance to answer it. 156 00:08:09,140 --> 00:08:10,968 Where's the memory card that was in your friend's camera? 157 00:08:11,142 --> 00:08:13,014 I don't know what you mean. 158 00:08:13,188 --> 00:08:15,146 He was filming, right, with the camera? 159 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:17,192 So where's the memory card that was in it? 160 00:08:17,366 --> 00:08:19,281 I... Okay. I'm gonna have 161 00:08:19,455 --> 00:08:21,065 to confiscate all of your shooting equipment. 162 00:08:21,239 --> 00:08:22,545 No, wait. Okay, okay, uh, 163 00:08:22,719 --> 00:08:25,461 I-I took it, okay, but I-I need it. 164 00:08:25,635 --> 00:08:28,899 I mean, what if Doug actually filmed his killer? 165 00:08:29,073 --> 00:08:32,163 Yeah. What if? 166 00:08:32,337 --> 00:08:34,949 I'm Captain Jim Brass, Las Vegas Police. 167 00:08:35,123 --> 00:08:36,516 You the property manager? 168 00:08:36,690 --> 00:08:38,082 Thomas Pope. 169 00:08:38,256 --> 00:08:39,997 My firm is developing the property. 170 00:08:40,171 --> 00:08:41,738 So you've been told what happened? 171 00:08:41,912 --> 00:08:43,697 Just that somebody was killed. 172 00:08:43,871 --> 00:08:45,307 One of the ghost hunters. 173 00:08:45,481 --> 00:08:47,265 Oh, so you knew they were here? 174 00:08:47,439 --> 00:08:48,876 Yeah, yeah, they had permission. 175 00:08:49,050 --> 00:08:50,921 My boss approved it. I handled the paperwork. 176 00:08:51,095 --> 00:08:52,793 They signed about a million liability releases. 177 00:08:52,967 --> 00:08:55,056 Thank God, right? 178 00:08:55,230 --> 00:08:57,014 I guess. 179 00:08:57,188 --> 00:09:00,540 Look, I... I didn't mean it to sound like that. I... 180 00:09:00,714 --> 00:09:03,281 Can I ask what happened exactly? 181 00:09:03,455 --> 00:09:04,674 We don't know yet. 182 00:09:05,762 --> 00:09:07,155 You know, I warned my boss 183 00:09:07,329 --> 00:09:08,896 that something bad was gonna happen. 184 00:09:09,070 --> 00:09:10,811 I knew it. 185 00:09:10,985 --> 00:09:12,943 What do you mean, you knew it? 186 00:09:13,117 --> 00:09:15,206 I spent some time inside here. 187 00:09:15,380 --> 00:09:17,034 There's a feeling. 188 00:09:17,208 --> 00:09:18,427 A feeling? 189 00:09:19,646 --> 00:09:21,343 So you people take all the time you need. 190 00:09:21,517 --> 00:09:23,171 The minute you're done, 191 00:09:23,345 --> 00:09:24,912 I'm knocking the whole place down-- the building 192 00:09:25,086 --> 00:09:27,567 and all the ghosts inside. 193 00:09:29,090 --> 00:09:32,006 Hey, Doc. 194 00:09:32,180 --> 00:09:34,008 A little shorthanded, are you, today? 195 00:09:34,182 --> 00:09:35,749 Normally, you don't call me in 196 00:09:35,923 --> 00:09:37,751 until you're done with all the scary stuff. 197 00:09:37,925 --> 00:09:40,014 Normally, but I wanted you to see something 198 00:09:40,188 --> 00:09:42,190 on the victim David brought in from the slaughterhouse. 199 00:09:42,364 --> 00:09:45,323 Heard the murder was reminiscent of a previous crime. 200 00:09:45,497 --> 00:09:47,151 Well, that's why you're here. 201 00:09:47,325 --> 00:09:49,719 The killing wasn't just reminiscent. 202 00:09:49,893 --> 00:09:53,027 It was an exact duplication of the original crimes. 203 00:09:53,201 --> 00:09:55,812 So, killer did his homework, right? 204 00:09:55,986 --> 00:09:57,466 I don't see how. 205 00:09:57,640 --> 00:09:59,076 The original victims were all juveniles. 206 00:09:59,250 --> 00:10:02,079 Their autopsy reports were very closely guarded. 207 00:10:02,253 --> 00:10:04,125 They were never made public. 208 00:10:04,299 --> 00:10:07,041 And the M.O. unique enough that it couldn't just be by chance? 209 00:10:07,215 --> 00:10:08,303 I would say not. 210 00:10:10,218 --> 00:10:12,002 The incision the killer made-- 211 00:10:12,176 --> 00:10:13,830 it isn't a straight cut like a butcher 212 00:10:14,004 --> 00:10:15,702 or a hunter would make when dressing an animal. 213 00:10:15,876 --> 00:10:17,312 It waivers 214 00:10:17,486 --> 00:10:21,142 to the left, to the right, and then back again. 215 00:10:21,316 --> 00:10:23,579 It's almost as if he was carving an "S." 216 00:10:23,753 --> 00:10:26,147 "S" for Simms. 217 00:10:32,762 --> 00:10:34,764 Seems like every town has 218 00:10:34,938 --> 00:10:38,594 a place like this that all the teenagers know about. 219 00:10:38,768 --> 00:10:40,857 Yeah, their parents don't. 220 00:10:41,031 --> 00:10:43,991 Obviously, it's not impossible to get in here. 221 00:10:44,165 --> 00:10:45,470 Which means our ghost hunters 222 00:10:45,645 --> 00:10:47,037 may not have been alone last night. 223 00:11:05,839 --> 00:11:08,232 Morgan. Come look at this. 224 00:11:14,064 --> 00:11:16,414 It's a shrine. 225 00:11:16,588 --> 00:11:19,504 To the seven boys who were murdered here. 226 00:11:21,245 --> 00:11:23,944 Some of this stuff looks like it's been here forever. 227 00:11:24,118 --> 00:11:25,902 Yeah, and some of this stuff looks like it's... 228 00:11:26,076 --> 00:11:27,512 pretty new. 229 00:11:27,687 --> 00:11:28,513 Someone's been coming here and making 230 00:11:28,688 --> 00:11:29,906 offerings to these kids. 231 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:31,647 Or to their ghosts. 232 00:11:36,043 --> 00:11:37,566 What? 233 00:11:37,740 --> 00:11:38,872 Did you hear something? 234 00:11:39,046 --> 00:11:40,961 No. 235 00:11:41,135 --> 00:11:43,093 No, it's nothing. 236 00:11:45,139 --> 00:11:47,097 Hey. 237 00:11:48,185 --> 00:11:50,013 Did you notice... 238 00:11:50,187 --> 00:11:52,015 if our female ghost hunter from earlier 239 00:11:52,189 --> 00:11:54,714 was missing an earring? 240 00:11:55,715 --> 00:11:57,281 No. 241 00:11:57,455 --> 00:11:58,587 That's not hers. 242 00:11:58,761 --> 00:12:01,982 Makes me wonder whose, then. 243 00:12:02,156 --> 00:12:04,114 So, let's say you're the victim. 244 00:12:04,288 --> 00:12:05,637 It's dark. 245 00:12:05,812 --> 00:12:07,639 Your back is turned. You're filming. 246 00:12:07,814 --> 00:12:11,731 I swing this hook hard enough to bury it in your back. 247 00:12:11,905 --> 00:12:14,168 Well, that would be more than enough to incapacitate me 248 00:12:14,342 --> 00:12:16,518 so you could hoist me up into the air. 249 00:12:16,692 --> 00:12:19,042 And then it's just a single slash with the blade. 250 00:12:19,216 --> 00:12:20,957 Yeah. So there's no reason it couldn't have been 251 00:12:21,131 --> 00:12:22,785 one person working alone. 252 00:12:24,265 --> 00:12:27,050 All right, let's Luminol everything, make sure we didn't 253 00:12:27,224 --> 00:12:28,660 miss any blood. 254 00:12:28,835 --> 00:12:30,488 It's for you. 255 00:12:30,662 --> 00:12:32,186 Do you want it? SFPD. 256 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:34,318 I'll call them back. 257 00:12:42,849 --> 00:12:44,198 I'm gonna hit the lights.Okay. 258 00:12:46,548 --> 00:12:48,028 Whoa. 259 00:12:48,202 --> 00:12:49,507 Oh, my God. 260 00:12:49,681 --> 00:12:52,075 There's blood everywhere. 261 00:12:52,249 --> 00:12:53,729 Must be animal blood. 262 00:12:53,903 --> 00:12:55,470 This is the kill room. 263 00:12:55,644 --> 00:12:57,080 Floor must be porous enough 264 00:12:57,254 --> 00:13:00,083 that the blood is still present. 265 00:13:00,257 --> 00:13:03,130 I'm going to go do the hallway. 266 00:13:11,268 --> 00:13:13,096 Finn? Yeah. 267 00:13:13,270 --> 00:13:15,577 Come here and look at this. 268 00:13:17,144 --> 00:13:18,972 Wow. Everybody's going in and out, 269 00:13:19,146 --> 00:13:21,801 tracking the old animal blood without even knowing it. 270 00:13:21,975 --> 00:13:23,193 There's the wheel marks from David's gurney. 271 00:13:23,367 --> 00:13:25,805 Mm-hmm. 272 00:13:25,979 --> 00:13:27,502 And look over there. 273 00:13:27,676 --> 00:13:28,895 There's one set of prints going the other way. 274 00:13:34,335 --> 00:13:35,902 The hall dead-ends. 275 00:13:36,076 --> 00:13:37,773 Where would they be going? 276 00:13:37,947 --> 00:13:41,037 Looks like they walk right through the wall. 277 00:13:41,211 --> 00:13:43,126 Or right up to it. There's got to be some reason 278 00:13:43,300 --> 00:13:45,433 whoever left these came down here. 279 00:13:54,050 --> 00:13:56,270 There's something in here. 280 00:14:04,234 --> 00:14:07,020 Yes, there is. 281 00:14:07,194 --> 00:14:09,631 Hey. I think Hodges caught us a break. 282 00:14:09,805 --> 00:14:11,067 Check this out. 283 00:14:11,241 --> 00:14:12,590 What am I looking at? 284 00:14:12,764 --> 00:14:14,592 You're looking at footage from one of 285 00:14:14,766 --> 00:14:15,942 the ghost hunter's cameras. 286 00:14:16,116 --> 00:14:18,118 The surviving male, Owen Webber. 287 00:14:19,902 --> 00:14:21,556 Now, according to his statement, 288 00:14:21,730 --> 00:14:23,645 he was alone in the processing room during the murder. 289 00:14:23,819 --> 00:14:25,038 Which it looks like he is, right? 290 00:14:25,212 --> 00:14:26,996 Well, keep watching there. 291 00:14:29,477 --> 00:14:32,045 You see that? You mean that little glitch in the picture? 292 00:14:32,219 --> 00:14:33,481 That's more than just a glitch. 293 00:14:33,655 --> 00:14:34,874 His camera shut off 294 00:14:35,048 --> 00:14:36,701 for 98 seconds. 295 00:14:36,876 --> 00:14:38,790 That might be enough time to commit the murder. 296 00:14:38,965 --> 00:14:40,053 That's more than enough time. 297 00:14:40,227 --> 00:14:41,968 Oh! 298 00:14:42,142 --> 00:14:44,144 Look at you. You got yourself a murder weapon. 299 00:14:44,318 --> 00:14:45,928 It was stashed just outside the murder room. 300 00:14:46,102 --> 00:14:48,583 Killer probably planned to go back and get it later. 301 00:14:48,757 --> 00:14:51,891 What makes you say that? Well, because he didn't bother to wipe off his fingerprints. 302 00:14:52,065 --> 00:14:53,153 You got prints? 303 00:14:53,327 --> 00:14:55,938 Victim's partner. Owen Webber. 304 00:15:02,553 --> 00:15:04,904 Well, it's about time. 305 00:15:05,078 --> 00:15:06,470 When am I gonna get my gear back? 306 00:15:06,644 --> 00:15:07,732 You're not gonna get your gear back. 307 00:15:07,907 --> 00:15:09,212 What? Well, your gear 308 00:15:09,386 --> 00:15:10,431 is what we now call evidence, Owen. 309 00:15:10,605 --> 00:15:11,693 Well, I know that it's evidence. 310 00:15:11,867 --> 00:15:13,216 That's why I need it. 311 00:15:13,390 --> 00:15:15,001 The online paranormal groups are going nuts 312 00:15:15,175 --> 00:15:16,567 over what happened to Doug. I need the proof. 313 00:15:16,741 --> 00:15:18,395 I need to show them that it was Simms. 314 00:15:18,569 --> 00:15:19,919 Sit down. 315 00:15:20,093 --> 00:15:21,790 And let's talk 316 00:15:21,964 --> 00:15:24,010 about what you did to Doug. 317 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:27,839 You recognize that, Owen? 318 00:15:28,014 --> 00:15:29,493 It's mine. 319 00:15:29,667 --> 00:15:31,321 I brought it along to the slaughterhouse. 320 00:15:31,495 --> 00:15:33,628 Sounds like premeditation. Uh, no. 321 00:15:33,802 --> 00:15:36,805 I-I... I brought it to excite the spirits. 322 00:15:36,979 --> 00:15:39,068 We use objects, something 323 00:15:39,242 --> 00:15:42,550 emotionally significant to the dead to provoke them. 324 00:15:42,724 --> 00:15:46,336 I mean, come on, man, that's Ghost Chasing 101. 325 00:15:46,510 --> 00:15:47,990 That's Murder 101. 326 00:15:48,164 --> 00:15:49,861 What?! Why else did you 327 00:15:50,036 --> 00:15:52,168 turn off the camera right before Doug was killed? 328 00:15:52,342 --> 00:15:54,388 I didn't turn off the camera. My battery pack went dead. 329 00:15:54,562 --> 00:15:56,694 Don't you check your batteries before you start? 330 00:15:56,868 --> 00:15:58,000 Yeah, of course I did. 331 00:15:58,174 --> 00:15:59,436 And they were both full. 332 00:15:59,610 --> 00:16:01,830 But spirits can siphon the power away. 333 00:16:02,004 --> 00:16:04,093 That's how they get the energy to materialize. 334 00:16:04,267 --> 00:16:06,052 Come on, Shaggy. My BS meter is redlining 335 00:16:06,226 --> 00:16:07,923 with all this ghost science of yours. 336 00:16:08,097 --> 00:16:09,011 What BS? 337 00:16:09,185 --> 00:16:10,491 The knife 338 00:16:10,665 --> 00:16:12,014 provoked Walter Simms. 339 00:16:12,188 --> 00:16:13,320 The battery 340 00:16:13,494 --> 00:16:15,713 provided the energy he needed. 341 00:16:15,887 --> 00:16:18,281 The very fact that Doug is dead is proof positive 342 00:16:18,455 --> 00:16:20,109 of what I'm telling you! 343 00:16:24,287 --> 00:16:25,985 Owen didn't kill Doug, I'm telling you. 344 00:16:26,159 --> 00:16:27,247 Because you believe a... 345 00:16:27,421 --> 00:16:28,683 ghost killed Doug? 346 00:16:28,857 --> 00:16:30,424 Because I know Owen. 347 00:16:30,598 --> 00:16:32,426 He would never. 348 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:35,124 Well, right now, the evidence says otherwise. 349 00:16:37,213 --> 00:16:39,389 You went into the slaughterhouse, didn't you? 350 00:16:41,435 --> 00:16:43,089 You know now what I was talking about, 351 00:16:43,263 --> 00:16:44,568 those little boys... 352 00:16:44,742 --> 00:16:46,005 The only thing I felt in there... 353 00:16:46,179 --> 00:16:47,658 was cold. 354 00:16:47,832 --> 00:16:49,617 If you'll excuse me. 355 00:16:51,706 --> 00:16:53,316 Why are you denying your gift? 356 00:16:53,490 --> 00:16:55,884 Your grandmother is still with you, you know. 357 00:16:56,058 --> 00:16:59,105 Even though you try to push her away, she's still there. 358 00:17:04,284 --> 00:17:07,330 What do you know about my grandmother? 359 00:17:07,504 --> 00:17:10,681 She had a funny name. 360 00:17:10,855 --> 00:17:13,684 Olaf, was it? 361 00:17:13,858 --> 00:17:15,991 And she was a psychic. 362 00:17:16,165 --> 00:17:18,298 Seems to think you are, too. 363 00:17:18,472 --> 00:17:20,996 You share her gift. 364 00:17:22,041 --> 00:17:24,391 What do you want from me? 365 00:17:24,565 --> 00:17:26,175 Your help. 366 00:17:27,350 --> 00:17:29,309 You heard those boys. 367 00:17:29,483 --> 00:17:31,354 I know they were trying to say something. 368 00:17:31,528 --> 00:17:33,052 I-I just don't know what it is. 369 00:17:35,532 --> 00:17:36,925 I'm sorry, 370 00:17:37,099 --> 00:17:39,275 but I can't help you. 371 00:17:41,973 --> 00:17:44,019 Thanks, but... 372 00:17:44,193 --> 00:17:45,281 I don't want that. 373 00:17:47,022 --> 00:17:49,024 You need it. 374 00:17:55,204 --> 00:17:57,119 What are all these? 375 00:17:57,293 --> 00:17:59,991 Tools of the trade for the modern ghost hunter. 376 00:18:00,166 --> 00:18:01,906 E.M. pump, motion sensors, 377 00:18:02,081 --> 00:18:04,822 thermal imager, EMF detectors. 378 00:18:04,996 --> 00:18:06,868 Ghost Meter Pro? Really? 379 00:18:07,042 --> 00:18:08,174 Someone actually makes these? 380 00:18:08,348 --> 00:18:09,392 That's not a toy. 381 00:18:09,566 --> 00:18:11,220 I just spoke with Nick. 382 00:18:11,394 --> 00:18:12,961 Apparently the interrogation was less than fruitful. 383 00:18:13,135 --> 00:18:15,050 He's hoping that we can find a way to pinpoint 384 00:18:15,224 --> 00:18:16,399 the exact location of the suspect 385 00:18:16,573 --> 00:18:17,879 during the time of the murder. 386 00:18:18,053 --> 00:18:20,011 But both his cameras were off, right? 387 00:18:20,186 --> 00:18:22,927 His cameras were off, but his EVP recorder was still on. 388 00:18:23,102 --> 00:18:24,364 EVP? 389 00:18:24,538 --> 00:18:26,279 Electronic Voice Phenomenon. 390 00:18:26,453 --> 00:18:28,368 Ghost voices we might otherwise miss. 391 00:18:29,673 --> 00:18:31,066 The point is, even though 392 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:32,676 we don't have picture, we have sound. 393 00:18:32,850 --> 00:18:34,330 Ah. And you think you can use the sound 394 00:18:34,504 --> 00:18:35,853 to figure out where the suspect was. 395 00:18:36,027 --> 00:18:37,333 That is the idea, yes. 396 00:18:37,507 --> 00:18:39,553 So, why do you need me? 397 00:18:39,727 --> 00:18:41,163 You mean, aside from the fact 398 00:18:41,337 --> 00:18:43,426 that I greatly admire your mind and abilities? 399 00:18:45,776 --> 00:18:48,083 The job requires going back to the slaughterhouse, 400 00:18:48,257 --> 00:18:51,173 and that is something that I don't relish doing alone. 401 00:18:52,827 --> 00:18:54,655 Hey, Jules? 402 00:18:54,829 --> 00:18:55,656 Do you got a moment? 403 00:18:55,830 --> 00:18:57,397 Sure. 404 00:18:57,571 --> 00:18:59,007 Want you to introduce you to Scott Tunnicliff. 405 00:18:59,181 --> 00:19:00,443 CSI Finlay. 406 00:19:00,617 --> 00:19:01,618 Nice to meet you. 407 00:19:01,792 --> 00:19:03,272 Scott's kind of an expert 408 00:19:03,446 --> 00:19:05,100 on Walter Simms and the slaughterhouse murders. 409 00:19:05,274 --> 00:19:06,275 Wrote a book 410 00:19:06,449 --> 00:19:07,494 back in the day. 411 00:19:07,668 --> 00:19:08,886 Ah. You working on a sequel? 412 00:19:09,060 --> 00:19:10,627 No, actually, I brought him in. 413 00:19:10,801 --> 00:19:12,629 He had considerable access to the investigation 414 00:19:12,803 --> 00:19:14,631 at the time. My uncle was... 415 00:19:14,805 --> 00:19:17,678 undersheriff, so admittedly, I got... special treatment. 416 00:19:17,852 --> 00:19:19,070 But I brought along all my old 417 00:19:19,245 --> 00:19:20,507 raw research material 418 00:19:20,681 --> 00:19:21,899 if it'll help. 419 00:19:22,073 --> 00:19:24,075 Tell her your theory, Scott. 420 00:19:24,250 --> 00:19:26,904 I've always felt, uh, Simms had an accomplice. 421 00:19:27,078 --> 00:19:28,123 Uh, someone to help 422 00:19:28,297 --> 00:19:29,777 lure the boys into the car. 423 00:19:29,951 --> 00:19:31,213 Yeah, look at this. This is a photo 424 00:19:31,387 --> 00:19:32,910 of Simms. That's a real boogeyman. 425 00:19:33,084 --> 00:19:34,042 Yeah, not really a face 426 00:19:34,216 --> 00:19:35,261 that kids would flock to. 427 00:19:35,435 --> 00:19:37,088 There were witnesses to three 428 00:19:37,263 --> 00:19:38,525 of the abductions. The statements were the same. 429 00:19:38,699 --> 00:19:40,048 The boys approached Simms' car, 430 00:19:40,222 --> 00:19:42,093 climbed in on their own accord. 431 00:19:42,268 --> 00:19:43,617 So, might be Simms had help. 432 00:19:44,618 --> 00:19:45,967 Who's this woman? 433 00:19:46,141 --> 00:19:48,099 She's in every trial photo. 434 00:19:48,274 --> 00:19:49,797 She was a trial groupie. 435 00:19:49,971 --> 00:19:51,581 Showed up every day, never took her eyes off Simms. 436 00:19:51,755 --> 00:19:52,974 Was obsessed with him. 437 00:19:53,148 --> 00:19:54,105 Why? 438 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:55,106 What do you see? 439 00:19:55,281 --> 00:19:56,673 Her earring. 440 00:19:56,847 --> 00:19:58,197 It looks exactly like the earring 441 00:19:58,371 --> 00:19:59,894 Morgan found at the slaughterhouse. 442 00:20:00,068 --> 00:20:01,591 If it is, she was there. 443 00:20:02,679 --> 00:20:04,507 So, where is she now? 444 00:20:07,423 --> 00:20:08,598 How was that? 445 00:20:08,772 --> 00:20:10,252 All right, do it again. 446 00:20:10,426 --> 00:20:13,429 This time, a little higher like on the recording. 447 00:20:19,305 --> 00:20:21,698 All right, I think you nailed it on that last one. 448 00:20:21,872 --> 00:20:23,657 Pretty sure we can pinpoint where Owen was now. 449 00:20:23,831 --> 00:20:26,050 Yeah. 450 00:20:26,225 --> 00:20:28,009 No way he was the killer. 451 00:20:28,183 --> 00:20:30,446 He was in this room when the murders happened. 452 00:20:30,620 --> 00:20:32,143 Of course, that means that our killer 453 00:20:32,318 --> 00:20:35,756 is still on the loose, right? 454 00:20:44,199 --> 00:20:45,853 How'd we do? 455 00:20:46,027 --> 00:20:47,855 I hope you got what you needed. 456 00:20:48,029 --> 00:20:49,335 My throat is killing me. 457 00:20:49,509 --> 00:20:51,206 Well, we cleared Owen as the killer. 458 00:20:52,251 --> 00:20:53,513 Did you see all this low-end activity 459 00:20:53,687 --> 00:20:55,036 running through the center? 460 00:20:55,210 --> 00:20:56,777 Yeah, it's some sort of low-frequency wave. 461 00:20:56,951 --> 00:20:58,344 Seems to be present everywhere in this place. 462 00:20:58,518 --> 00:20:59,910 But we can't hear it because it's... 463 00:21:00,084 --> 00:21:02,043 Because it's below the human range of hearing. 464 00:21:02,217 --> 00:21:04,045 It's infrasound. 465 00:21:04,219 --> 00:21:06,047 Can you, uh, pitch it up? Raise the frequency 466 00:21:06,221 --> 00:21:07,918 until we can hear it? Mmm. 467 00:21:12,358 --> 00:21:15,317 Yeah. You know, there are studies that actually suggest 468 00:21:15,491 --> 00:21:18,755 that infrasound could be the scientific cause of hauntings. 469 00:21:18,929 --> 00:21:22,759 The vibrations create sensory phenomena suggestive of a ghost. 470 00:21:22,933 --> 00:21:24,587 Fascinating. Yeah. Mm-hmm. 471 00:21:24,761 --> 00:21:26,285 You'll have to show me those articles some time. 472 00:21:26,459 --> 00:21:29,026 We could test the theory now, by finding the source 473 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:30,985 of the low-frequency waves and eliminating it. 474 00:21:31,159 --> 00:21:32,682 Science! 475 00:21:37,905 --> 00:21:39,733 Wow. Who's the crazy? 476 00:21:39,907 --> 00:21:42,083 Ah, you can tell right away, right? 477 00:21:42,257 --> 00:21:44,694 This woman was obsessed with Walter Simms. 478 00:21:44,868 --> 00:21:48,002 Mmm. She was at his trial every single day. 479 00:21:48,176 --> 00:21:49,612 Yeah, we've dealt with a few women like this. 480 00:21:49,786 --> 00:21:51,092 I'll never understand it. 481 00:21:51,266 --> 00:21:53,224 So, I think she could be our killer. 482 00:21:53,399 --> 00:21:55,792 But there is no record of her name. 483 00:21:55,966 --> 00:21:58,839 I did a facial recognition search against our database, 484 00:21:59,013 --> 00:22:00,667 and I got nothing. 485 00:22:00,841 --> 00:22:04,061 Why not try running one just against Internet images? 486 00:22:04,235 --> 00:22:05,585 She didn't hide from the camera before. 487 00:22:05,759 --> 00:22:07,195 Why should she be any different now? 488 00:22:08,196 --> 00:22:09,937 All right, let's run it. 489 00:22:11,765 --> 00:22:12,679 Who knows? 490 00:22:12,853 --> 00:22:14,289 You know, maybe she's... 491 00:22:14,463 --> 00:22:16,160 turned her life around by now. 492 00:22:18,162 --> 00:22:19,250 That one. 493 00:22:19,425 --> 00:22:21,383 Monica Downs. 494 00:22:21,557 --> 00:22:23,429 Wow, she even has a Friend Agenda page. 495 00:22:27,171 --> 00:22:28,738 Hmm. 496 00:22:28,912 --> 00:22:31,393 20 years has done nothing to cure the crazy. 497 00:22:31,567 --> 00:22:32,829 The basic theory behind infrasound 498 00:22:33,003 --> 00:22:34,744 is that, even though we can't hear it, 499 00:22:34,918 --> 00:22:37,181 it still has a physiological effect on us. 500 00:22:37,356 --> 00:22:39,053 The low frequency waves cause vibrations 501 00:22:39,227 --> 00:22:40,620 in different parts of our bodies. 502 00:22:42,273 --> 00:22:45,015 Getting stronger. 503 00:22:45,189 --> 00:22:47,627 I hear some other noises, as well. 504 00:22:48,715 --> 00:22:50,064 Here, this way. Okay. 505 00:22:50,238 --> 00:22:52,632 So, as a result, people experience 506 00:22:52,806 --> 00:22:54,895 butterflies in the stomach, chills, 507 00:22:55,069 --> 00:22:56,810 hairs standing on end... 508 00:22:56,984 --> 00:22:58,638 Check, check and check. 509 00:22:58,812 --> 00:23:00,335 Not realizing there's a physical cause, 510 00:23:00,509 --> 00:23:02,990 people attribute all these sensations to... 511 00:23:04,252 --> 00:23:06,385 ...a haunting. 512 00:23:11,694 --> 00:23:14,480 Feeling's getting stronger here. 513 00:23:14,654 --> 00:23:16,220 Definitely oppressive. Yeah. 514 00:23:16,395 --> 00:23:19,223 This is it. This is what's generating the infrasound. 515 00:23:19,398 --> 00:23:20,747 Oh, well, here's an idea: 516 00:23:20,921 --> 00:23:23,010 Let's turn it off. 517 00:23:26,970 --> 00:23:27,971 Uh... 518 00:23:28,145 --> 00:23:29,582 Uh... 519 00:23:39,243 --> 00:23:40,331 That's amazing. 520 00:23:40,506 --> 00:23:41,507 The oppressive feeling's gone. 521 00:23:41,681 --> 00:23:42,856 The chills, the stomach... 522 00:23:43,030 --> 00:23:44,510 It's gone, right? Yeah. 523 00:23:44,684 --> 00:23:47,382 All these years, the sensation everyone's had 524 00:23:47,556 --> 00:23:48,992 that this place is haunted... 525 00:23:49,166 --> 00:23:50,429 It's perfectly benign. 526 00:23:50,603 --> 00:23:52,126 There's nothing bad here at all. 527 00:23:52,300 --> 00:23:54,476 Aah! 528 00:23:54,650 --> 00:23:55,651 No! No! 529 00:23:55,825 --> 00:23:57,174 Okay, what is that? 530 00:23:59,133 --> 00:24:00,787 Oh, no, nothing bad can happen here. 531 00:24:00,961 --> 00:24:02,136 There's no haunting. 532 00:24:02,310 --> 00:24:03,050 It's just sound waves! Shh. 533 00:24:03,224 --> 00:24:04,051 This way. 534 00:24:04,225 --> 00:24:05,792 We got blood. 535 00:24:09,883 --> 00:24:11,754 Oh, God, it's one of the ghost hunters. 536 00:24:11,928 --> 00:24:13,277 Your infrasound can't explain that. 537 00:24:13,452 --> 00:24:14,801 Yeah, it's Hodges. 538 00:24:14,975 --> 00:24:16,585 We need help. 539 00:24:30,207 --> 00:24:31,687 So... 540 00:24:31,861 --> 00:24:34,168 it looks like she was sitting there, 541 00:24:34,342 --> 00:24:35,996 in front of the shrine. 542 00:24:36,170 --> 00:24:39,042 Killer surprised her, maybe. 543 00:24:39,216 --> 00:24:41,697 Hit her as she turned around. 544 00:24:41,871 --> 00:24:43,699 The bat was here already. 545 00:24:43,873 --> 00:24:45,048 You remember? 546 00:24:45,222 --> 00:24:46,833 It was part of the toy collection. 547 00:24:47,007 --> 00:24:48,922 What I can't figure out is why she came back here 548 00:24:49,096 --> 00:24:50,184 in the first place. 549 00:24:50,358 --> 00:24:51,838 She came because of the boys. 550 00:24:52,926 --> 00:24:54,797 She told me she was still 551 00:24:54,971 --> 00:24:56,538 hearing their voices. 552 00:24:56,712 --> 00:24:58,192 She wanted... 553 00:24:58,366 --> 00:24:59,889 to talk to them. 554 00:25:00,063 --> 00:25:00,934 Well, she's talking 555 00:25:01,108 --> 00:25:02,892 to them now. 556 00:25:03,066 --> 00:25:04,720 We need to find out who else 557 00:25:04,894 --> 00:25:06,896 has been coming here, bringing all these toys. 558 00:25:07,070 --> 00:25:10,465 Better bag them up and get them to Henry. 559 00:25:19,692 --> 00:25:21,171 What? What is it? 560 00:25:23,043 --> 00:25:24,653 Her EVP Recorder. 561 00:25:24,827 --> 00:25:26,655 Must have fallen when she was struck. 562 00:25:30,964 --> 00:25:32,574 I'm sorry for all 563 00:25:32,748 --> 00:25:34,968 the horrible things that were done to you. 564 00:25:35,142 --> 00:25:37,318 What can I do to bring you peace? 565 00:25:37,492 --> 00:25:40,277 Please, I know you're here. I can feel you. 566 00:25:40,451 --> 00:25:42,149 Don't be afraid. Just reach out. 567 00:25:42,323 --> 00:25:44,586 Talk to me. Give me a sign. 568 00:25:47,633 --> 00:25:50,810 Funny, kind of looks like you're... 569 00:25:50,984 --> 00:25:53,160 waiting to hear an answer. 570 00:25:56,032 --> 00:25:57,947 You don't know this about me, 571 00:25:58,121 --> 00:25:59,993 but, uh... 572 00:26:00,167 --> 00:26:01,995 when I was younger, 573 00:26:02,169 --> 00:26:04,258 I used to be... 574 00:26:04,432 --> 00:26:05,999 kind of psychic. 575 00:26:06,869 --> 00:26:07,957 I know. 576 00:26:08,131 --> 00:26:11,178 But my grandmother, she had it. 577 00:26:12,875 --> 00:26:16,183 And I guess I inherited it. 578 00:26:18,054 --> 00:26:20,753 Why have I never heard about this? 579 00:26:20,927 --> 00:26:23,103 When I became a CSI, 580 00:26:23,277 --> 00:26:26,367 I felt like I had to choose: 581 00:26:26,541 --> 00:26:29,413 science or... 582 00:26:29,588 --> 00:26:31,372 the other. 583 00:26:31,546 --> 00:26:33,113 I chose science. 584 00:26:33,287 --> 00:26:36,333 So, now you've reconsidered? 585 00:26:36,507 --> 00:26:37,726 Yeah. 586 00:26:37,900 --> 00:26:41,121 I mean, 'cause of Carrie... 587 00:26:41,295 --> 00:26:43,079 and what I feel in this place. 588 00:26:43,253 --> 00:26:46,605 But I-I thought the feelings came from the infrasound, 589 00:26:46,779 --> 00:26:48,476 the vibrations from the ventilation fan. 590 00:26:48,650 --> 00:26:49,912 Henry turned it off, and since then, 591 00:26:50,086 --> 00:26:51,087 I-I don't feel a thing anymore. 592 00:26:51,261 --> 00:26:52,132 That's just it. 593 00:26:52,306 --> 00:26:54,874 Istill do. 594 00:26:57,093 --> 00:26:59,095 I only want to help you. 595 00:26:59,269 --> 00:27:01,924 That's all I want, is for you to have peace. 596 00:27:02,098 --> 00:27:03,926 Where did you... God, no... 597 00:27:10,454 --> 00:27:11,804 Did you hear that? Yeah. 598 00:27:11,978 --> 00:27:13,066 Sounded like laughter. 599 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:14,676 Like kids. No, play it again. 600 00:27:21,857 --> 00:27:23,119 Ow. Ow. 601 00:27:23,293 --> 00:27:24,555 You can't possibly 602 00:27:24,730 --> 00:27:27,080 know what I know. 603 00:27:27,254 --> 00:27:29,560 Blinded by the confines of corporeal reality, 604 00:27:29,735 --> 00:27:31,824 you're both woefully ignorant 605 00:27:31,998 --> 00:27:33,608 of what waits on the other side... 606 00:27:33,782 --> 00:27:35,001 Got your trial groupie. Ma'am, that's enough. 607 00:27:35,175 --> 00:27:36,437 That was quite a ride. 608 00:27:36,611 --> 00:27:38,439 For you. 609 00:27:38,613 --> 00:27:40,528 Good luck. 610 00:27:40,702 --> 00:27:42,008 She's a nutcase. 611 00:27:42,182 --> 00:27:44,401 Yeah, a nutcase with blood on her shoes. 612 00:27:44,575 --> 00:27:46,926 Your shoes and this shoe print 613 00:27:47,100 --> 00:27:49,624 that we found at the murder scene... 614 00:27:49,798 --> 00:27:50,843 they match. 615 00:27:51,017 --> 00:27:52,061 Match, match, three on a match. 616 00:27:52,235 --> 00:27:53,062 And that's bad luck, 617 00:27:53,236 --> 00:27:54,455 you know. 618 00:27:54,629 --> 00:27:56,326 Want to talk about bad luck? 619 00:27:56,500 --> 00:27:58,024 You stepped in a dead woman's blood. 620 00:28:03,377 --> 00:28:05,771 I remember you. 621 00:28:05,945 --> 00:28:06,815 You do? 622 00:28:06,989 --> 00:28:08,512 From Walter's trial. 623 00:28:08,687 --> 00:28:10,123 I do. 624 00:28:10,297 --> 00:28:12,125 How wonderful. 625 00:28:12,299 --> 00:28:15,041 Now, do you remember being at the slaughterhouse earlier? 626 00:28:15,215 --> 00:28:17,696 I do. 627 00:28:17,870 --> 00:28:21,047 I went to talk to Walter and my boys. 628 00:28:21,221 --> 00:28:22,570 Your boys? 629 00:28:22,744 --> 00:28:24,267 Yes, that's what I said-- my boys. 630 00:28:24,441 --> 00:28:26,835 My family. 631 00:28:27,009 --> 00:28:31,492 The family that Walter created for... us. 632 00:28:31,666 --> 00:28:33,755 So, when when you talked to Walter, 633 00:28:33,929 --> 00:28:35,714 did he tell you to kill Carrie? 634 00:28:39,326 --> 00:28:41,197 How about Doug? 635 00:28:42,808 --> 00:28:44,157 Huh? 636 00:28:44,331 --> 00:28:45,549 I didn't do that. 637 00:28:45,724 --> 00:28:47,900 But I... I know who did. 638 00:28:48,074 --> 00:28:50,076 You do? 639 00:28:50,250 --> 00:28:53,079 He didn't know that I was there watching. 640 00:28:53,253 --> 00:28:55,037 Ticktock, like a watch. 641 00:28:55,211 --> 00:28:56,473 Tell us 642 00:28:56,647 --> 00:28:57,823 who you saw do this. 643 00:29:00,216 --> 00:29:02,001 It was one of my boys. 644 00:29:02,175 --> 00:29:04,133 Mine and Walter's. 645 00:29:04,307 --> 00:29:05,613 Kids, you know? 646 00:29:05,787 --> 00:29:07,093 I should probably have a talk 647 00:29:07,267 --> 00:29:08,311 with him... 648 00:29:08,485 --> 00:29:10,487 if you'd like. 649 00:29:16,145 --> 00:29:17,973 Morgan said it was eerie. 650 00:29:18,147 --> 00:29:19,322 She wasn't lying. 651 00:29:19,496 --> 00:29:20,584 Yeah. That came just after 652 00:29:20,759 --> 00:29:21,585 the killing? 653 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:22,586 Yeah. 654 00:29:22,761 --> 00:29:23,762 But listen. 655 00:29:26,155 --> 00:29:27,853 Now, I'm pretty sure 656 00:29:28,027 --> 00:29:29,028 the laughter's real. 657 00:29:29,202 --> 00:29:30,116 But it's prerecorded. 658 00:29:30,290 --> 00:29:31,378 How do you know that? 659 00:29:31,552 --> 00:29:33,119 Watch the screen as I play it, 660 00:29:33,293 --> 00:29:34,468 and I'll freeze the wave form. 661 00:29:39,081 --> 00:29:40,866 Now, right there, just before the laughter, 662 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:44,304 there's a high-frequency hiss, almost, and then it 663 00:29:44,478 --> 00:29:45,740 dies out immediately after. 664 00:29:48,743 --> 00:29:50,614 What is it? 665 00:29:50,789 --> 00:29:52,616 Well, it's got to be the speaker 666 00:29:52,791 --> 00:29:54,227 on whatever device is playing. 667 00:29:54,401 --> 00:29:56,055 It powers up 668 00:29:56,229 --> 00:29:58,709 just a fraction of a second before the sound comes out. 669 00:29:58,884 --> 00:30:00,407 So the killer played a recording 670 00:30:00,581 --> 00:30:02,148 of children laughing just after the murder? 671 00:30:03,714 --> 00:30:05,891 That might be even sicker. 672 00:30:07,718 --> 00:30:09,808 ♪ ♪ 673 00:30:29,740 --> 00:30:31,742 ♪ ♪ 674 00:30:57,203 --> 00:31:00,075 Hey, just finished DNA analysis on the toys. 675 00:31:00,249 --> 00:31:01,468 And? 676 00:31:01,642 --> 00:31:02,686 I found DNA from a single source 677 00:31:02,861 --> 00:31:04,036 on every single one of them. 678 00:31:04,210 --> 00:31:05,689 What about the murder weapon? 679 00:31:05,864 --> 00:31:07,169 Same DNA, same as the rest of the toys. 680 00:31:07,343 --> 00:31:09,432 Let me guess. 681 00:31:09,606 --> 00:31:12,044 It belongs to the psycho groupie, Monica Downs. 682 00:31:12,218 --> 00:31:13,262 Actually, no. 683 00:31:13,436 --> 00:31:15,003 The source was an unknown male. 684 00:31:15,177 --> 00:31:16,831 Suggests that Monica Downs is not the killer. 685 00:31:17,005 --> 00:31:18,615 It gets stranger. 686 00:31:18,789 --> 00:31:20,661 Finlay gave me DNA from the original investigation 687 00:31:20,835 --> 00:31:22,315 of the Simms murders. 688 00:31:22,489 --> 00:31:24,012 Cops collected one sample from Simms' car 689 00:31:24,186 --> 00:31:25,884 that was never identified. 690 00:31:26,058 --> 00:31:28,887 Matched the DNA on the toys and the baseball bat. 691 00:31:29,061 --> 00:31:31,585 So we're saying the killer was in Simms' car 20 years ago. 692 00:31:31,759 --> 00:31:33,587 In the front seat of Simms' car. 693 00:31:33,761 --> 00:31:35,458 All the DNA from the boys 694 00:31:35,632 --> 00:31:37,199 who were killed came from the back of the car. 695 00:31:37,373 --> 00:31:38,897 Well, it sounds to me like we're back 696 00:31:39,071 --> 00:31:40,768 to looking for an accomplice. 697 00:31:40,942 --> 00:31:43,162 Certainly does. 698 00:31:44,728 --> 00:31:46,034 A male, 699 00:31:46,208 --> 00:31:47,296 obsessed with the crime, 700 00:31:47,470 --> 00:31:48,907 enough knowledge of the details 701 00:31:49,081 --> 00:31:50,343 to be able to re-create them perfectly. 702 00:31:51,474 --> 00:31:53,085 What do you think? 703 00:31:59,047 --> 00:32:01,528 Yeah. 704 00:32:01,702 --> 00:32:03,008 Then come back here 705 00:32:03,182 --> 00:32:04,444 and rub our faces in it. 706 00:32:11,668 --> 00:32:13,105 Well, his alibi checks out. 707 00:32:13,279 --> 00:32:15,107 He said he was at a book signing, 708 00:32:15,281 --> 00:32:16,978 he was at a book signing. 709 00:32:17,152 --> 00:32:18,893 What about the DNA? Sent it to Henry, 710 00:32:19,067 --> 00:32:21,461 but I'm afraid it's only gonna confirm that... 711 00:32:21,635 --> 00:32:22,897 he's not our guy. 712 00:32:23,071 --> 00:32:25,465 Oh, hell. 713 00:32:25,639 --> 00:32:26,857 Well... 714 00:32:29,034 --> 00:32:30,949 I still like our theory. 715 00:32:31,123 --> 00:32:32,994 Looking for the old accomplice in the current murders? 716 00:32:33,168 --> 00:32:34,822 I mean, we know he's a male. 717 00:32:34,996 --> 00:32:37,259 We know he was in Simms's car 20 years ago. 718 00:32:37,433 --> 00:32:39,653 What we don't know is where he is now. 719 00:32:39,827 --> 00:32:41,524 Exactly. 720 00:32:41,698 --> 00:32:43,396 All right, just-just play with me for a second. 721 00:32:43,570 --> 00:32:46,616 Monica Downs said that she saw Carrie's killer, right? 722 00:32:46,790 --> 00:32:48,879 That it was one of the boys. 723 00:32:49,054 --> 00:32:50,055 Monica Downs is crazy. 724 00:32:50,229 --> 00:32:51,665 The boys are dead. 725 00:32:51,839 --> 00:32:53,319 All right, all right, but what if they're not? 726 00:32:53,493 --> 00:32:56,452 Russell, the cops found all seven bodies. 727 00:32:56,626 --> 00:32:58,454 What if there was an eighth? 728 00:32:58,628 --> 00:33:02,023 What-what if... what if Simms abducted an eighth boy 729 00:33:02,197 --> 00:33:04,460 and forced him to be his accomplice? 730 00:33:04,634 --> 00:33:07,550 Cops finally catch up with Simms and put him in jail, 731 00:33:07,724 --> 00:33:09,117 boy runs away. 732 00:33:09,291 --> 00:33:11,206 Which means he might still be out there. 733 00:33:16,864 --> 00:33:18,648 What are those? 734 00:33:18,822 --> 00:33:20,694 Missing persons reports from 20 years ago. 735 00:33:20,868 --> 00:33:22,696 When Simms was snatching up kids. Yeah. 736 00:33:22,870 --> 00:33:24,828 I found three other boys that disappeared within 737 00:33:25,003 --> 00:33:26,961 that timeframe who were never accounted for. 738 00:33:27,135 --> 00:33:29,007 Well, only one of them has a photo. 739 00:33:29,181 --> 00:33:31,052 Yeah, as far as the other two go-- 740 00:33:31,226 --> 00:33:33,098 uh, Brian Oden grew up on the streets. 741 00:33:33,272 --> 00:33:35,013 There were quite a few homeless that reported him missing. 742 00:33:35,187 --> 00:33:37,015 And Jonathan Harris grew up in foster care. 743 00:33:37,189 --> 00:33:39,321 Everybody just thought he ran away, 744 00:33:39,495 --> 00:33:41,628 including PD. So, any one of these could be 745 00:33:41,802 --> 00:33:43,717 Simms' eighth victim, our so-called accomplice. 746 00:33:43,891 --> 00:33:45,284 How do we I.D. him and find him? 747 00:33:45,458 --> 00:33:46,850 This kid was 748 00:33:47,025 --> 00:33:48,200 in Simms' car. 749 00:33:48,374 --> 00:33:49,766 Okay, his DNA is in there. 750 00:33:49,940 --> 00:33:51,290 He must have left prints. 751 00:33:51,464 --> 00:33:53,205 But PD ran the prints 20 years ago. 752 00:33:53,379 --> 00:33:55,816 Yeah, but he was a juvenile, so he wasn't in the system. 753 00:33:55,990 --> 00:33:57,948 You're right. Got to be over 30 by now. 754 00:33:58,123 --> 00:33:59,385 Maybe that's changed. 755 00:34:02,214 --> 00:34:04,172 Hey. 756 00:34:05,652 --> 00:34:06,783 Where are you going? 757 00:34:06,957 --> 00:34:08,481 If anybody's looking for me, 758 00:34:08,655 --> 00:34:11,005 just tell them I had to step out a little while. 759 00:34:11,179 --> 00:34:12,485 You going to the slaughterhouse? 760 00:34:12,659 --> 00:34:14,052 I thought we wrapped all that up. 761 00:34:14,226 --> 00:34:16,010 The place is about to get torn down. 762 00:34:16,184 --> 00:34:19,535 If I don't do this now, I'll never get the chance. 763 00:34:19,709 --> 00:34:21,363 Greg, what do you really expect to find there? 764 00:34:21,537 --> 00:34:23,365 I don't know. Maybe nothing. 765 00:34:23,539 --> 00:34:26,542 Or maybe I'll be able to reach out to Carrie, 766 00:34:26,716 --> 00:34:28,153 and with her help, maybe to the boys. 767 00:34:28,327 --> 00:34:29,937 You know how that sounds, right? 768 00:34:30,111 --> 00:34:31,982 Yeah. Crazy. 769 00:34:32,157 --> 00:34:34,420 But it doesn't matter. 770 00:34:34,594 --> 00:34:36,900 I have to do this. 771 00:34:37,075 --> 00:34:39,599 ♪ ♪ 772 00:35:09,107 --> 00:35:11,283 ♪ ♪ 773 00:35:19,421 --> 00:35:20,988 Here we go. 774 00:35:21,162 --> 00:35:23,382 Got a hit on the set of prints 775 00:35:23,556 --> 00:35:25,035 from the glove box in Simms' car. 776 00:35:25,210 --> 00:35:25,993 What's the date of birth? 777 00:35:26,167 --> 00:35:28,430 June 8, '81. 778 00:35:28,604 --> 00:35:30,302 Means he was 11 at the time. 779 00:35:30,476 --> 00:35:32,347 Okay, so this has got to be our eighth kid, right? 780 00:35:32,521 --> 00:35:33,957 Scroll down. 781 00:35:34,132 --> 00:35:35,481 Wait a minute. I saw him. 782 00:35:35,655 --> 00:35:37,091 Where? At the slaughterhouse 783 00:35:37,265 --> 00:35:38,658 that first morning, talking to Brass. 784 00:35:38,832 --> 00:35:40,094 Well, who is he? 785 00:35:40,268 --> 00:35:42,183 He manages the property. 786 00:35:42,357 --> 00:35:45,969 Thanks again for coming down to let me in. 787 00:35:46,144 --> 00:35:47,710 I really appreciate it. 788 00:35:47,884 --> 00:35:49,234 No problem. 789 00:35:56,806 --> 00:35:59,026 After you. 790 00:36:12,257 --> 00:36:15,129 You know, in a couple of days, this whole place will be gone. 791 00:36:15,303 --> 00:36:18,524 Bulldozed to the ground. 792 00:36:18,698 --> 00:36:20,221 The building, 793 00:36:20,395 --> 00:36:21,962 everything inside. 794 00:36:22,136 --> 00:36:24,834 What were you hoping to find? 795 00:36:27,097 --> 00:36:29,752 I don't really know. 796 00:36:39,414 --> 00:36:41,851 Well, but you're here. 797 00:36:43,244 --> 00:36:45,028 Right? 798 00:36:45,203 --> 00:36:47,205 You must have some idea. 799 00:37:10,140 --> 00:37:12,491 You want to talk to them, don't you? 800 00:37:16,059 --> 00:37:18,148 Sorry. It's, uh, my kids' ringtone. 801 00:37:18,323 --> 00:37:21,891 It's my wife calling. 802 00:37:26,156 --> 00:37:28,071 Don't. 803 00:37:30,465 --> 00:37:32,293 Just drop it! 804 00:37:33,468 --> 00:37:36,210 Haven't enough people died here? 805 00:37:43,913 --> 00:37:46,786 Thomas Pope-- family man, 806 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,267 wife and kids, good job, 807 00:37:49,441 --> 00:37:52,661 an education, but that's only half of who you really are. 808 00:37:52,835 --> 00:37:54,010 See, Thomas Pope is an invention. 809 00:37:54,184 --> 00:37:55,751 You made it up. 810 00:37:55,925 --> 00:37:57,710 He doesn't exist before about 12 years ago. 811 00:37:57,884 --> 00:37:59,973 Your real name is Jonathan Harris, isn't it? 812 00:38:00,147 --> 00:38:02,192 When you grew up, you were passed 813 00:38:02,367 --> 00:38:04,064 from one foster home to another 814 00:38:04,238 --> 00:38:06,196 until one day your luck really went bad 815 00:38:06,371 --> 00:38:08,198 and you were abducted 816 00:38:08,373 --> 00:38:09,635 by Walter Simms. 817 00:38:09,809 --> 00:38:11,680 No, you're wrong. You're mistaken. 818 00:38:11,854 --> 00:38:14,074 Well, we found your DNA in Walter Simms' car, 819 00:38:14,248 --> 00:38:15,641 along with your fingerprints. 820 00:38:15,815 --> 00:38:18,296 We're not wrong, Jonathan. We know who you are. 821 00:38:19,340 --> 00:38:21,211 I am not Jonathan. 822 00:38:21,386 --> 00:38:25,390 I am not that damaged little boy, not anymore. 823 00:38:27,740 --> 00:38:31,047 I know you feel responsible for those other boys, 824 00:38:31,221 --> 00:38:33,049 the ones who were killed. 825 00:38:33,223 --> 00:38:35,008 Isn't that why 826 00:38:35,182 --> 00:38:37,053 you still bring them toys? 827 00:38:37,227 --> 00:38:40,013 You were 11 years old. 828 00:38:40,187 --> 00:38:41,884 You were a little boy yourself. 829 00:38:42,058 --> 00:38:43,495 It wasn't your fault. 830 00:38:43,669 --> 00:38:46,236 But they won't let me forget. 831 00:38:46,411 --> 00:38:48,369 They blame me. 832 00:38:48,543 --> 00:38:50,676 They torment me. 833 00:38:50,850 --> 00:38:52,373 And I can't make the voices go away. 834 00:38:52,547 --> 00:38:54,593 You were there. 835 00:38:54,767 --> 00:38:56,290 You had to have felt them. 836 00:38:58,248 --> 00:39:01,295 Tell us about the ghost hunters, Doug and Carrie. 837 00:39:04,037 --> 00:39:05,995 I didn't want them inside. 838 00:39:06,169 --> 00:39:08,781 I tried to tell my boss that it was a bad idea. 839 00:39:08,955 --> 00:39:10,478 Why was it a bad idea? 840 00:39:10,652 --> 00:39:12,219 Because I knew what would happen. 841 00:39:12,393 --> 00:39:14,830 I knew that they would learn my secret. 842 00:39:15,004 --> 00:39:17,529 I have worked very hard 843 00:39:17,703 --> 00:39:20,009 to get past everything that has happened 844 00:39:20,183 --> 00:39:22,272 and build a new life. 845 00:39:22,447 --> 00:39:24,927 If they found out, 846 00:39:25,101 --> 00:39:27,234 I would lose everything, 847 00:39:27,408 --> 00:39:28,975 everything that I have 848 00:39:29,149 --> 00:39:32,152 built as Thomas Pope. 849 00:39:32,326 --> 00:39:33,893 But I-I mean, how are they gonna find out? 850 00:39:34,067 --> 00:39:35,111 Who's gonna tell them? 851 00:39:35,285 --> 00:39:37,200 From talking to the boys. 852 00:39:37,375 --> 00:39:39,681 The ghostsof the boys? 853 00:39:39,855 --> 00:39:42,815 I couldn't let them talk to the boys. 854 00:39:47,863 --> 00:39:49,082 Hey. 855 00:39:49,256 --> 00:39:50,388 Hey. 856 00:39:50,562 --> 00:39:51,911 Do you have a minute? 857 00:39:52,085 --> 00:39:53,391 I do. 858 00:39:55,305 --> 00:39:57,917 Uh... back before I came to Vegas, 859 00:39:58,091 --> 00:39:59,875 I worked up in San Francisco. 860 00:40:00,049 --> 00:40:03,226 I helped put away this guy-- true sociopath. 861 00:40:03,401 --> 00:40:05,141 He posed as a cop, 862 00:40:05,315 --> 00:40:07,579 pull women over at night, sadistically assault them. 863 00:40:07,753 --> 00:40:09,711 We found 17 victims. 864 00:40:09,885 --> 00:40:11,278 I suspect there were more. 865 00:40:11,452 --> 00:40:12,975 You're talking about Lyle Brinks, right? 866 00:40:13,149 --> 00:40:14,107 Yeah. I had no idea 867 00:40:14,281 --> 00:40:15,717 you were a part of that. 868 00:40:17,589 --> 00:40:19,242 He's up for parole. 869 00:40:19,417 --> 00:40:21,201 The cop that I worked with-- she's worried that 870 00:40:21,375 --> 00:40:24,900 he actually stands a chance of release. 871 00:40:25,074 --> 00:40:26,772 Okay. What can I do? 872 00:40:26,946 --> 00:40:28,208 I need a few days. 873 00:40:28,382 --> 00:40:29,992 I-I... I want to be there. 874 00:40:30,166 --> 00:40:33,126 I want to testify, make sure that doesn't happen. 875 00:40:33,300 --> 00:40:36,085 I understand. You got it... but, 876 00:40:36,259 --> 00:40:38,566 you know, while you're up there, do me a favor. 877 00:40:38,740 --> 00:40:40,263 You know, take some time off. 878 00:40:40,438 --> 00:40:42,222 It's been a rough couple of months. 879 00:40:42,396 --> 00:40:43,919 You deserve it. 880 00:40:46,531 --> 00:40:48,707 Okay. 881 00:40:48,881 --> 00:40:50,926 Hey. 882 00:40:51,100 --> 00:40:52,972 Great job today. 883 00:40:53,146 --> 00:40:56,192 That must have been really scary. 884 00:40:56,366 --> 00:40:59,065 I'll tell you, when I heard that laughing, 885 00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:00,980 I sure as hell wasn't laughing. 886 00:41:03,112 --> 00:41:06,159 You know, I... I think I owe you an apology from earlier, 887 00:41:06,333 --> 00:41:08,857 implying that you were crazy. 888 00:41:09,031 --> 00:41:11,251 You know, as much as this is our universe, 889 00:41:11,425 --> 00:41:13,253 surrounded by science every day, 890 00:41:13,427 --> 00:41:14,994 I still like to think 891 00:41:15,168 --> 00:41:17,039 there's room for a spiritual side. 892 00:41:17,213 --> 00:41:19,389 Well, no apology necessary, 893 00:41:19,564 --> 00:41:21,479 but it's accepted. 894 00:41:21,653 --> 00:41:23,524 Thank you. But who knows? I mean, 895 00:41:23,698 --> 00:41:25,004 maybe you're right. 896 00:41:25,178 --> 00:41:26,179 Maybe this whole thing is crazy. 897 00:41:26,353 --> 00:41:27,963 What? Why you saying that now? 898 00:41:28,137 --> 00:41:29,617 Well, 899 00:41:29,791 --> 00:41:32,185 when I was at the slaughterhouse with Pope, 900 00:41:32,359 --> 00:41:34,883 I was doing everything I could 901 00:41:35,057 --> 00:41:38,365 to hear or feel anything from Carrie 902 00:41:38,539 --> 00:41:41,194 or the boys, and I mean, there I was 903 00:41:41,368 --> 00:41:42,935 with the killer standing right behind me, 904 00:41:43,109 --> 00:41:45,415 and none of them bothered to send up a signal, 905 00:41:45,590 --> 00:41:47,026 or a-a single ghostly warning sign? 906 00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:48,201 Yeah. 907 00:41:48,375 --> 00:41:49,681 Yeah, you would think, right? 908 00:41:53,162 --> 00:41:55,774 But I think... 909 00:41:55,948 --> 00:41:58,951 someone was looking out for you. 910 00:41:59,125 --> 00:42:01,736 You made it out of there okay. 911 00:42:04,391 --> 00:42:06,001 Let me buy you breakfast. 912 00:42:06,175 --> 00:42:08,526 Deal. 913 00:42:08,700 --> 00:42:10,658 But I'm driving. 914 00:42:10,832 --> 00:42:12,791 Of course you are. 915 00:42:22,844 --> 00:42:24,846 Let's go. 63342

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