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Psychic powers? 8 00:00:29,446 --> 00:00:32,741 There are many who believe in the power of prayer. 9 00:00:32,741 --> 00:00:38,580 So what about spells used to conjure the dead? 10 00:00:38,580 --> 00:00:41,458 Could they really work? 11 00:00:41,458 --> 00:00:45,212 And if they do... 12 00:00:45,212 --> 00:00:47,130 what does that say about the physical laws 13 00:00:47,130 --> 00:00:48,507 of the world we live in? 14 00:00:48,507 --> 00:00:52,052 (chuckles): Well... 15 00:00:52,052 --> 00:00:54,554 that is what we'll try and find out. 16 00:00:54,554 --> 00:00:56,556 ♪ ♪ 17 00:01:09,403 --> 00:01:13,365 SHATNER: San Pedro Manrique, Spain. 18 00:01:13,365 --> 00:01:16,326 June 23, 2018. 19 00:01:16,326 --> 00:01:18,870 Here, as they have for centuries, 20 00:01:18,870 --> 00:01:21,415 villagers gather for an evening festival 21 00:01:21,415 --> 00:01:24,334 to celebrate the summer solstice. 22 00:01:24,334 --> 00:01:27,921 They engage in singing, dancing, 23 00:01:27,921 --> 00:01:30,882 wearing elaborate costumes. 24 00:01:30,882 --> 00:01:35,262 But for a select group of villagers, 25 00:01:35,262 --> 00:01:39,224 the festivities aren't so... conventional. 26 00:01:39,224 --> 00:01:43,270 Because their evening also includes something 27 00:01:43,270 --> 00:01:44,730 out of the ordinary: 28 00:01:44,730 --> 00:01:47,441 a dangerous walk... 29 00:01:47,441 --> 00:01:49,443 ‐over fire. ‐(flames crackling) 30 00:01:50,694 --> 00:01:52,612 Now, I've seen many fire walking rituals 31 00:01:52,612 --> 00:01:55,282 in many different contexts in a variety of countries. 32 00:02:05,042 --> 00:02:08,587 They have this amphitheater around the, the place where 33 00:02:08,587 --> 00:02:10,922 the actual fire is, 34 00:02:10,922 --> 00:02:13,925 and these men walk on the embers. 35 00:02:13,925 --> 00:02:17,971 It's five or six steps from one side to the other. 36 00:02:17,971 --> 00:02:20,098 And they do it barefoot 37 00:02:20,098 --> 00:02:23,310 and usually carrying someone on their shoulders. 38 00:02:23,310 --> 00:02:25,562 (applause and cheering) 39 00:02:25,562 --> 00:02:28,649 People often wonder, is the fire walk really hot? 40 00:02:28,649 --> 00:02:30,525 And the answer is yes. 41 00:02:30,525 --> 00:02:34,696 Once the wood is first laid out, the overall temperature 42 00:02:34,696 --> 00:02:38,200 is between a thousand and 1,200 degrees. 43 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:40,285 That's really hot. 44 00:02:40,285 --> 00:02:44,331 More than enough to burn flesh, certainly. 45 00:02:58,470 --> 00:03:01,056 MICHAEL DENNIN: If you look at the temperatures involved, 46 00:03:01,056 --> 00:03:02,683 you're typically talking temperatures 47 00:03:02,683 --> 00:03:05,477 over a thousand degrees Fahrenheit, and skin burns 48 00:03:05,477 --> 00:03:07,562 at a hundred, 160 degrees Fahrenheit. 49 00:03:07,562 --> 00:03:11,525 XIMENEZ: Walking on fire is very, very dangerous. 50 00:03:11,525 --> 00:03:13,235 I mean, you're barefoot. 51 00:03:13,235 --> 00:03:15,320 Just one wrong move 52 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:18,156 and you can be severely burned. 53 00:03:33,255 --> 00:03:35,298 (crowd cheering) 54 00:03:37,717 --> 00:03:39,678 SHATNER: Walking on fire. 55 00:03:39,678 --> 00:03:43,932 And at temperatures hot enough to turn metal into liquid. 56 00:03:43,932 --> 00:03:45,809 No one in their right mind would do this 57 00:03:45,809 --> 00:03:48,603 and expect to emerge unharmed, right? 58 00:03:48,603 --> 00:03:53,024 And yet, the people of San Pedro Manrique 59 00:03:53,024 --> 00:03:57,070 manage to do just that, and on a yearly basis. 60 00:03:57,070 --> 00:03:59,906 But how? 61 00:03:59,906 --> 00:04:01,533 Walking across hot embers 62 00:04:01,533 --> 00:04:03,201 is one of my favorite physics problems. 63 00:04:03,201 --> 00:04:06,955 The trick is making sure the embers are hot enough 64 00:04:06,955 --> 00:04:10,208 that you actually get a very thin but very real layer 65 00:04:10,208 --> 00:04:14,504 of water vapor between your skin and the hot coals. 66 00:04:16,339 --> 00:04:18,008 Some of these same firewalkers, 67 00:04:18,008 --> 00:04:21,303 one day, they walk across unscathed; 68 00:04:21,303 --> 00:04:25,932 another time they try it, they do burn their feet. 69 00:04:25,932 --> 00:04:31,146 My experience tells me the difference is in their mindset. 70 00:04:31,146 --> 00:04:35,859 So at my fire walks, once we've taken the group out to the fire, 71 00:04:35,859 --> 00:04:37,778 and we're getting ready to walk, 72 00:04:37,778 --> 00:04:41,323 first, I like to remind them again about their intention. 73 00:04:41,323 --> 00:04:45,118 And this helps motivate them and get them across. 74 00:04:45,118 --> 00:04:48,914 And then, we raise people's energy 75 00:04:48,914 --> 00:04:51,333 before a fire walk. 76 00:04:51,333 --> 00:04:55,337 Firewalkers around the world, regardless of tradition, 77 00:04:55,337 --> 00:04:59,341 religion, they raise the group's energy 78 00:04:59,341 --> 00:05:01,343 before they walk. 79 00:05:01,343 --> 00:05:05,055 So, this can be done with meditation, chanting, 80 00:05:05,055 --> 00:05:07,933 singing, dancing... 81 00:05:07,933 --> 00:05:10,393 Whatever the case, you want to get your group 82 00:05:10,393 --> 00:05:13,605 into an excited, pumped‐up state 83 00:05:13,605 --> 00:05:15,315 before the fire walk. 84 00:05:15,315 --> 00:05:18,777 There is absolutely something about 85 00:05:18,777 --> 00:05:21,279 being in an excited, uplifted state 86 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:23,907 that helps you get across safely. 87 00:05:23,907 --> 00:05:25,992 (crowd chanting) 88 00:05:25,992 --> 00:05:29,746 So what actually happens there psychologically 89 00:05:29,746 --> 00:05:32,541 is there is this emotional buildup. 90 00:05:32,541 --> 00:05:36,461 There is this highly intense arousal that's happening, 91 00:05:36,461 --> 00:05:39,881 and so you have cortisol and other sort of endocrine hormones 92 00:05:39,881 --> 00:05:42,342 flooding the system, which will help to block 93 00:05:42,342 --> 00:05:44,094 some of the pain receptors. 94 00:05:47,180 --> 00:05:49,015 SHATNER: Water vapor? 95 00:05:49,015 --> 00:05:50,934 Mind control? 96 00:05:50,934 --> 00:05:53,645 But can fire walking without pain or injury 97 00:05:53,645 --> 00:05:57,315 really be just a simple matter of will power? 98 00:05:57,315 --> 00:06:02,571 Or does it require something even more? 99 00:06:02,571 --> 00:06:04,948 We know we have the capability to redirect pain 100 00:06:04,948 --> 00:06:06,825 or even to numb pain just by putting ourselves 101 00:06:06,825 --> 00:06:08,243 in the right mindset. 102 00:06:08,243 --> 00:06:10,954 But many of these firewalkers don't even have blisters 103 00:06:10,954 --> 00:06:13,373 or burns on their feet. 104 00:06:13,373 --> 00:06:14,708 So, when you look at physics, 105 00:06:14,708 --> 00:06:15,959 that's impossible. 106 00:06:15,959 --> 00:06:17,294 If you touch something that's hot, 107 00:06:17,294 --> 00:06:18,461 you're gonna get burned. 108 00:06:18,461 --> 00:06:21,089 So the question is, are we dealing with 109 00:06:21,089 --> 00:06:24,217 the magical force that we have yet to fully understand? 110 00:06:24,217 --> 00:06:26,553 HOBSON: So in one study with the San Pedro 111 00:06:26,553 --> 00:06:28,388 Spanish fire walking ritual, 112 00:06:28,388 --> 00:06:32,726 a team of anthropologists were curious what happens to 113 00:06:32,726 --> 00:06:35,145 a person's heart rate for the individual 114 00:06:35,145 --> 00:06:36,813 who's actually walking, 115 00:06:36,813 --> 00:06:41,067 and for any individual who is close to them? 116 00:06:41,067 --> 00:06:43,820 Like a relative or a family member. 117 00:06:43,820 --> 00:06:46,031 (applause and cheering) 118 00:07:03,673 --> 00:07:05,258 (applause and cheering) 119 00:07:15,060 --> 00:07:17,854 HOBSON: The surprising part is that 120 00:07:17,854 --> 00:07:20,315 you will still have a state of physiology 121 00:07:20,315 --> 00:07:22,859 that's similar to the individual, as if... 122 00:07:22,859 --> 00:07:25,487 you are walking over the coals, 123 00:07:25,487 --> 00:07:28,073 when in fact, of course, you're not. 124 00:07:28,073 --> 00:07:32,702 AXTELL: It is so much more than just an individual ritual. 125 00:07:32,702 --> 00:07:35,372 It is a community experience. 126 00:07:35,372 --> 00:07:40,251 Yes, it is technically possible to cross a coal bed unharmed 127 00:07:40,251 --> 00:07:41,586 all by yourself. 128 00:07:41,586 --> 00:07:46,508 But it is much easier to experience a fire walk 129 00:07:46,508 --> 00:07:50,887 surrounded by people who are there to support you: 130 00:07:50,887 --> 00:07:53,515 your family, your community. 131 00:07:53,515 --> 00:07:56,685 Crossing barefoot over thousand‐degree coals 132 00:07:56,685 --> 00:07:59,562 doesn't make any practical sense. 133 00:07:59,562 --> 00:08:01,272 And even though I've personally crossed 134 00:08:01,272 --> 00:08:03,400 hundreds and hundreds of coal beds, 135 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:06,444 I still don't perfectly understand 136 00:08:06,444 --> 00:08:08,822 how and why it works like it does. 137 00:08:12,534 --> 00:08:14,285 So what about you? 138 00:08:14,285 --> 00:08:16,413 Are you willing to take your chances, 139 00:08:16,413 --> 00:08:21,167 slip off your shoes and walk barefoot over fire? 140 00:08:21,167 --> 00:08:23,670 Well, if you are, then perhaps you're also ready 141 00:08:23,670 --> 00:08:25,880 to confront the unknown, and see what happens 142 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:30,927 when you come face‐to‐face with the power of voodoo. 143 00:08:35,974 --> 00:08:37,642 JULIA BUCKLEY: I was really pretty disabled by the pain, 144 00:08:37,642 --> 00:08:39,686 May 2012. 145 00:08:39,686 --> 00:08:43,189 32‐year‐old author Julia Buckley 146 00:08:43,189 --> 00:08:47,318 is writing in her office when she experiences a pain 147 00:08:47,318 --> 00:08:50,780 unlike any she has ever felt before. 148 00:08:50,780 --> 00:08:54,409 I was just at my desk one day at work, typing away, 149 00:08:54,409 --> 00:08:57,579 um, reached out for a cup of coffee, 150 00:08:57,579 --> 00:09:02,167 and suddenly, it was as if my right arm was on fire, 151 00:09:02,167 --> 00:09:05,378 as if someone had laid out fireworks all the way 152 00:09:05,378 --> 00:09:09,132 from my fingers up to my armpit, and across to my neck. 153 00:09:09,132 --> 00:09:12,093 I was really pretty disabled by the pain, 154 00:09:12,093 --> 00:09:13,595 'cause it was getting worse 155 00:09:13,595 --> 00:09:16,097 day by day, week by week. 156 00:09:16,097 --> 00:09:20,393 I couldn't do anything with this right arm at all. 157 00:09:20,393 --> 00:09:24,647 I saw three general doctors, I saw eight specialists; 158 00:09:24,647 --> 00:09:28,651 I was doing everything that I was told to do. 159 00:09:28,651 --> 00:09:31,821 So after two years, I was... 160 00:09:31,821 --> 00:09:34,657 completely at my wit's end. 161 00:09:34,657 --> 00:09:38,119 So I was pretty desperate, and in quite a dark place. 162 00:09:38,119 --> 00:09:40,622 SHATNER: With her life virtually in shambles, 163 00:09:40,622 --> 00:09:43,124 Julia was willing to try anything. 164 00:09:43,124 --> 00:09:45,835 Turning away from conventional medicine, 165 00:09:45,835 --> 00:09:48,546 she began to investigate alternatives, 166 00:09:48,546 --> 00:09:53,343 and this led her down a, shall we say, unusual path. 167 00:09:55,386 --> 00:09:57,263 Voodoo healing. 168 00:09:57,263 --> 00:10:00,892 I was reading a book about voodoo. 169 00:10:00,892 --> 00:10:03,103 And reading it, I hadn't seen anything like it 170 00:10:03,103 --> 00:10:05,021 in any of the other research that I'd done. 171 00:10:05,021 --> 00:10:08,817 I just got this impression that the voodoo priests 172 00:10:08,817 --> 00:10:13,071 were probably the people who had the most, kind of, grasp of the, 173 00:10:13,071 --> 00:10:15,824 the mind‐body relationship. 174 00:10:15,824 --> 00:10:18,743 And I just thought if anyone's gonna be able to help me, 175 00:10:18,743 --> 00:10:20,245 it's gonna be someone in Haiti. 176 00:10:22,580 --> 00:10:24,874 SHATNER: Still fighting debilitating pain, 177 00:10:24,874 --> 00:10:26,918 Julia Buckley flew to Haiti, 178 00:10:26,918 --> 00:10:29,295 and once there, arranged to meet 179 00:10:29,295 --> 00:10:33,174 with Richard Morse, a voodoo practitioner. 180 00:10:33,174 --> 00:10:35,760 BUCKLEY: I had actually read interviews and knew 181 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:40,723 that he was a voodoo priest as well as a hotel owner, 182 00:10:40,723 --> 00:10:42,725 and so I'd already thought, "Oh, I need to try and ask him 183 00:10:42,725 --> 00:10:44,978 whether he can, he can do anything for me." 184 00:10:44,978 --> 00:10:48,857 So, I checked into the hotel, met him 185 00:10:48,857 --> 00:10:50,567 and then we started talking about voodoo 186 00:10:50,567 --> 00:10:53,236 and its capacity for healing. 187 00:10:53,236 --> 00:10:55,530 And so, I told him exactly why I was there, 188 00:10:55,530 --> 00:10:58,074 and I just said, "Can you help me?" 189 00:10:58,074 --> 00:11:01,536 I think he said, "Are you, are you sure you want this?" 190 00:11:01,536 --> 00:11:04,080 And I was like, "Absolutely." 191 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:06,875 MORSE: No one taught me how to do this. 192 00:11:06,875 --> 00:11:09,377 I didn't go to school to do this, 193 00:11:09,377 --> 00:11:15,008 but I have a certain capacity for something of this sort. 194 00:11:16,259 --> 00:11:18,553 My mom was a voodoo priestess, 195 00:11:18,553 --> 00:11:22,807 and my father's family goes back to the Puritans. 196 00:11:22,807 --> 00:11:24,809 I like to call my thing Puritan‐voodoo, 197 00:11:24,809 --> 00:11:27,187 because I'm a mix. 198 00:11:27,187 --> 00:11:30,273 SHATNER: After learning about her symptoms, 199 00:11:30,273 --> 00:11:32,150 Morse led her into a dark room, 200 00:11:32,150 --> 00:11:34,903 one meant to summon spirits 201 00:11:34,903 --> 00:11:38,489 and extract whatever was harming her. 202 00:11:38,489 --> 00:11:43,161 BUCKLEY: There were candles and bottles all around the room. 203 00:11:43,161 --> 00:11:46,372 There were strips of cloth, different colored cloths 204 00:11:46,372 --> 00:11:48,708 that now I know represent the different Loa, the spirits, 205 00:11:48,708 --> 00:11:50,084 all around the room. 206 00:11:50,084 --> 00:11:52,212 There were these terra‐cotta pots 207 00:11:52,212 --> 00:11:55,673 that he said were filled with the souls of the dead. 208 00:11:55,673 --> 00:11:57,467 And there were these little bottles of 209 00:11:57,467 --> 00:11:59,260 what I found out afterwards were holy water 210 00:11:59,260 --> 00:12:01,888 brought from shrines all over the rest of the world. 211 00:12:03,223 --> 00:12:05,099 He went around me a couple of times. 212 00:12:05,099 --> 00:12:09,312 Then he stopped at the back of my neck and started feeling 213 00:12:09,312 --> 00:12:13,608 from the bottom of my skull down to my neck. 214 00:12:13,608 --> 00:12:15,652 Kind of pressing on it, almost like 215 00:12:15,652 --> 00:12:17,111 what a chiropractor might do 216 00:12:17,111 --> 00:12:20,490 before they really start going for it. 217 00:12:20,490 --> 00:12:23,826 I was scared, because that's where all my problems were, 218 00:12:23,826 --> 00:12:25,995 and I didn't want him to hurt me, and I didn't want 219 00:12:25,995 --> 00:12:28,623 my neck to be cracked or anything like that. 220 00:12:28,623 --> 00:12:30,041 I was terrified. 221 00:12:30,041 --> 00:12:34,295 He told me that he had found 222 00:12:34,295 --> 00:12:37,799 a demon in a shape of a black cat on my neck. 223 00:12:37,799 --> 00:12:41,427 So when he had been dragging his fingers down my neck, 224 00:12:41,427 --> 00:12:44,931 he was literally picking up and detaching this black cat. 225 00:12:44,931 --> 00:12:46,933 He said he didn't know how I'd got it, 226 00:12:46,933 --> 00:12:49,352 when I got it or how long it had been there, 227 00:12:49,352 --> 00:12:53,106 but he said it was nasty and that he'd got rid of it. 228 00:12:53,106 --> 00:12:56,276 It was only when I got to the airport, 229 00:12:56,276 --> 00:12:58,903 decided I needed a cup of coffee, 230 00:12:58,903 --> 00:13:01,531 and jumped up the stairs to the coffee bar 231 00:13:01,531 --> 00:13:03,783 carrying my little carry‐on suitcase. 232 00:13:03,783 --> 00:13:06,536 I was standing with the coffee and I kind of looked down 233 00:13:06,536 --> 00:13:08,538 and thought, "Hang on, I can't normally do that." 234 00:13:08,538 --> 00:13:11,124 And I checked in with my body, and I realized, actually, 235 00:13:11,124 --> 00:13:13,001 nowhere is hurting right now. 236 00:13:13,001 --> 00:13:14,627 This is really strange. 237 00:13:14,627 --> 00:13:18,339 It was the first time in nearly three years 238 00:13:18,339 --> 00:13:20,967 that I hadn't been in pain. 239 00:13:20,967 --> 00:13:23,761 SHATNER: As far as Julia Buckley was concerned, 240 00:13:23,761 --> 00:13:27,807 voodoo had worked, after everything else had failed. 241 00:13:27,807 --> 00:13:30,059 But how? 242 00:13:30,059 --> 00:13:32,437 TOK THOMPSON: Voodoo is a fabulously interesting tradition. 243 00:13:32,437 --> 00:13:34,314 We see it in the Caribbean, 244 00:13:34,314 --> 00:13:36,149 primarily perhaps in Haiti, although certainly 245 00:13:36,149 --> 00:13:38,359 in other places around the Caribbean as well. 246 00:13:38,359 --> 00:13:41,696 It's a part of a much larger assemblage of religions 247 00:13:41,696 --> 00:13:44,490 with a shared sort of worldview. 248 00:13:44,490 --> 00:13:48,911 This traces back to West Africa, and to several groups 249 00:13:48,911 --> 00:13:50,955 and several different religions there. 250 00:13:50,955 --> 00:13:53,958 The West African religious tradition was brought over 251 00:13:53,958 --> 00:13:55,918 via the slave trade to the Caribbean, 252 00:13:55,918 --> 00:13:58,087 to the Southern United States, where it flourished 253 00:13:58,087 --> 00:13:59,922 and took on different forms, 254 00:13:59,922 --> 00:14:03,926 and blended somewhat easily with the Catholic faith. 255 00:14:10,308 --> 00:14:13,936 You can call it God or you can call it, um, 256 00:14:13,936 --> 00:14:16,022 how you, how you want... 257 00:14:25,531 --> 00:14:27,533 (singing, chanting) 258 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:42,048 (laughs) 259 00:14:44,634 --> 00:14:46,260 DAVID WHITEHEAD: So it could be 260 00:14:46,260 --> 00:14:48,429 that when it comes to these rituals, 261 00:14:48,429 --> 00:14:51,849 that there's something about the nature of the ritual 262 00:14:51,849 --> 00:14:53,476 that actually activates 263 00:14:53,476 --> 00:14:55,895 something within the participant. 264 00:14:55,895 --> 00:14:58,940 But the ritual needs to be believed. 265 00:14:58,940 --> 00:15:00,608 It needs to be true to the participant 266 00:15:00,608 --> 00:15:03,569 in order for it to work. 267 00:15:03,569 --> 00:15:06,614 So the pageantry and the theatricality that's associated 268 00:15:06,614 --> 00:15:10,868 with these rituals, that's where their power lies. 269 00:15:15,039 --> 00:15:18,000 SHATNER: Perhaps one of the reasons voodoo's followers 270 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:21,003 believe in its incredible power is because they know 271 00:15:21,003 --> 00:15:27,135 it not only can be used to heal, but also to harm. 272 00:15:27,135 --> 00:15:29,053 We hear this phrase, "voodoo death," you know, 273 00:15:29,053 --> 00:15:31,055 that people may have cast a spell or done 274 00:15:31,055 --> 00:15:34,350 some kind of ritual that causes the death of another person. 275 00:15:34,350 --> 00:15:38,312 And if we're scientific, "Well, that's ridiculous. 276 00:15:38,312 --> 00:15:39,814 That has no causal relationship here." 277 00:15:39,814 --> 00:15:41,524 But if we dig a little deeper, 278 00:15:41,524 --> 00:15:44,735 there have been cases of voodoo deaths where someone has said 279 00:15:44,735 --> 00:15:46,237 something or done something 280 00:15:46,237 --> 00:15:49,073 that literally affects another person. 281 00:15:49,073 --> 00:15:51,868 HOBSON: Most scientists, doctors or researchers 282 00:15:51,868 --> 00:15:54,704 would just call it an anomaly. 283 00:15:54,704 --> 00:15:56,914 A physical or psychological anomaly 284 00:15:56,914 --> 00:16:01,294 that we can't quite explain with the data 285 00:16:01,294 --> 00:16:03,838 or the information that are presented before us. 286 00:16:03,838 --> 00:16:09,177 BUCKLEY: I think there's a lot of value in things being unexplained. 287 00:16:09,177 --> 00:16:11,095 Something like voodoo, 288 00:16:11,095 --> 00:16:14,515 you're never gonna be able to have the proof of what happened. 289 00:16:14,515 --> 00:16:17,059 I don't know what happened in that room and I was there. 290 00:16:17,059 --> 00:16:21,814 SHATNER: Ancient rituals that can not only cure disease, 291 00:16:21,814 --> 00:16:23,649 but cause it? 292 00:16:23,649 --> 00:16:26,319 It seems hard to fathom. 293 00:16:26,319 --> 00:16:31,699 But then, why did Julia Buckley's pain disappear? 294 00:16:31,699 --> 00:16:34,327 Was it all in her head? 295 00:16:34,327 --> 00:16:40,082 Or can the answer be found by examining another ritual, 296 00:16:40,082 --> 00:16:45,588 one that is a ritual form of brutality? 297 00:16:50,885 --> 00:16:52,762 WHITEHEAD: There's something about watching 298 00:17:05,149 --> 00:17:07,652 SHATNER: What is it about the ritual 299 00:17:07,652 --> 00:17:12,657 of watching violent, sometimes bloody sports combat 300 00:17:12,657 --> 00:17:14,992 that fascinates us? 301 00:17:14,992 --> 00:17:18,371 Is it merely because it fulfills a human desire 302 00:17:18,371 --> 00:17:20,790 to witness organized competition? 303 00:17:22,583 --> 00:17:24,669 Or, does it satisfy 304 00:17:24,669 --> 00:17:29,674 a much darker, more primal need in us 305 00:17:29,674 --> 00:17:31,968 than we like to admit? 306 00:17:31,968 --> 00:17:35,680 HOBSON: There's much less killing now in modern humans 307 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:37,348 than there were in the past, 308 00:17:37,348 --> 00:17:40,726 but there still is that little bit left within us, 309 00:17:40,726 --> 00:17:44,230 that when you go to a sporting event and all of the rituals 310 00:17:44,230 --> 00:17:46,440 and all that mob mentality is pushing 311 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:49,318 an individual to act out violently, 312 00:17:49,318 --> 00:17:52,863 well, it turns on that little spark of violence 313 00:17:52,863 --> 00:17:55,032 that still exists within us. 314 00:17:56,659 --> 00:17:58,452 L.A. JENNINGS: You may not realize it, 315 00:17:58,452 --> 00:18:01,664 but an MMA fight is very ritualistic. 316 00:18:01,664 --> 00:18:04,375 The participation in the event and the spectacle of it 317 00:18:04,375 --> 00:18:08,212 is part of a long history of rituals. 318 00:18:08,212 --> 00:18:10,214 FRANK TRIGG: When people get to the arena for a fight, 319 00:18:10,214 --> 00:18:13,134 there is a specific procedure that happens every single time. 320 00:18:13,134 --> 00:18:16,470 This procedure is set specifically to get 321 00:18:16,470 --> 00:18:19,765 not only the fighters ready, but to get the fans amped up 322 00:18:19,765 --> 00:18:22,602 so they can be the most hyped that they can possibly be 323 00:18:22,602 --> 00:18:24,895 for this particular fight when that fight starts. 324 00:18:24,895 --> 00:18:29,025 The song comes on, that starts at about a level three. 325 00:18:29,025 --> 00:18:30,985 "Oh, fight's about to happen." 326 00:18:33,029 --> 00:18:35,281 Then both guys walk in, the announcements are being made. 327 00:18:35,281 --> 00:18:37,116 ANNOUNCER: Ladies and gentlemen, let's have a nice round... 328 00:18:37,116 --> 00:18:39,910 TRIGG: Now you're coming up to a nine, a ten. 329 00:18:39,910 --> 00:18:42,038 "Oh, it's about to happen." The ring card girl comes in. 330 00:18:42,038 --> 00:18:43,914 The first round is gonna get started for this fight. 331 00:18:43,914 --> 00:18:45,082 The referee asks if both fighters are ready. 332 00:18:45,082 --> 00:18:46,459 I want you guys to have a clean fight. 333 00:18:46,459 --> 00:18:48,169 Follow my orders at all times. 334 00:18:48,169 --> 00:18:50,630 TRIGG: Now you are amped up. This is about to happen. 335 00:18:50,630 --> 00:18:52,381 The fight is getting ready to go. 336 00:18:54,050 --> 00:18:56,844 You're so invested in this guy that when he's fighting, 337 00:18:56,844 --> 00:18:59,513 you feel like it's actually happening to you. 338 00:18:59,513 --> 00:19:01,390 This is an assault on you and your person 339 00:19:01,390 --> 00:19:03,225 when this is happening, so this is why the crowd 340 00:19:03,225 --> 00:19:05,645 gets so into it, because they follow the hype. 341 00:19:05,645 --> 00:19:08,981 And the ritual portion of that happens every single time. 342 00:19:08,981 --> 00:19:11,359 (horn honks) 343 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:12,943 SHATNER: Las Vegas, Nevada. 344 00:19:12,943 --> 00:19:15,571 October 6, 2018. 345 00:19:15,571 --> 00:19:19,617 Mixed martial arts fighters Khabib Nurmagomedov 346 00:19:19,617 --> 00:19:21,911 and Conor McGregor face off in what is touted 347 00:19:21,911 --> 00:19:24,288 as the bout of the year. 348 00:19:24,288 --> 00:19:27,500 20,000 fans watch as Khabib locks Conor 349 00:19:27,500 --> 00:19:30,795 in a brutal chokehold and emerges victorious, 350 00:19:30,795 --> 00:19:33,631 retaining the title of lightweight champ. 351 00:19:33,631 --> 00:19:37,218 But before the closing ceremony, Khabib gets enraged 352 00:19:37,218 --> 00:19:39,136 by the endless barrage of trash talk 353 00:19:39,136 --> 00:19:41,222 from his opponent's entourage. 354 00:19:41,222 --> 00:19:44,141 That's when the real fight begins. 355 00:19:48,604 --> 00:19:51,232 WHITEHEAD: Khabib Nurmagomedov jumps up on the cage, 356 00:19:51,232 --> 00:19:52,983 jumps into the crowd 357 00:19:52,983 --> 00:19:55,653 and starts fighting with Conor McGregor's corner. 358 00:19:55,653 --> 00:19:57,196 TRIGG: Most fights have a closure. 359 00:19:57,196 --> 00:19:59,156 You have a winner, you have a closing ceremony. 360 00:19:59,156 --> 00:20:00,741 None of that happened. 361 00:20:00,741 --> 00:20:03,327 It all got stopped because the fight broke out. 362 00:20:03,327 --> 00:20:05,162 There's no closure. The fight's not over, like, 363 00:20:05,162 --> 00:20:07,206 now they get to go out in the streets, 364 00:20:07,206 --> 00:20:08,958 and everyone's been drinking all night, and so you add alcohol, 365 00:20:08,958 --> 00:20:11,419 you add testosterone, you add a blood sport... 366 00:20:11,419 --> 00:20:13,087 So people started fighting out in the streets. 367 00:20:13,087 --> 00:20:14,463 And in that kind of situation, 368 00:20:14,463 --> 00:20:15,881 those kind of things are gonna happen. 369 00:20:15,881 --> 00:20:19,218 (birds chirping) 370 00:20:19,218 --> 00:20:22,388 WHITEHEAD: If you go to an ice‐skating competition or a tennis match, 371 00:20:22,388 --> 00:20:23,889 you rarely hear about people breaking out 372 00:20:23,889 --> 00:20:25,599 into fistfights in the crowd. 373 00:20:25,599 --> 00:20:28,310 So when we look at what happened in Las Vegas, 374 00:20:28,310 --> 00:20:31,188 could it be that there's something about the act 375 00:20:31,188 --> 00:20:33,899 of watching violent blood sports 376 00:20:33,899 --> 00:20:38,028 that brings us into some kind of ritual in a way? 377 00:20:38,028 --> 00:20:40,823 TRIGG: Everybody wants to see 378 00:20:40,823 --> 00:20:43,242 the most violent thing that can happen to somebody. 379 00:20:43,242 --> 00:20:47,580 Everybody cheers for the knockout. 380 00:20:47,580 --> 00:20:49,749 They don't even realize that they're there for the violence. 381 00:20:49,749 --> 00:20:51,584 The don't understand why they're actually there 382 00:20:51,584 --> 00:20:53,794 to watch this fight until the knockout happens. 383 00:20:53,794 --> 00:20:56,422 We love watching violence when it's happening to somebody else. 384 00:20:56,422 --> 00:20:59,717 And we've been doing it since the gladiator times. 385 00:21:02,678 --> 00:21:04,388 JENNINGS: Ancient Romans also loved 386 00:21:04,388 --> 00:21:06,640 fighting sports, and gladiator events 387 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,435 were unique in that it wasn't trained, 388 00:21:09,435 --> 00:21:12,104 skilled athletes fighting against each other, 389 00:21:12,104 --> 00:21:14,565 but it was often people who had 390 00:21:14,565 --> 00:21:18,986 committed a crime that made them eligible for the death penalty. 391 00:21:18,986 --> 00:21:20,446 And the death penalty in this case 392 00:21:20,446 --> 00:21:23,949 was fighting against a gladiator in the Colosseum. 393 00:21:23,949 --> 00:21:27,953 The Colosseum could fit up to 50,000 people, and they went 394 00:21:27,953 --> 00:21:32,124 for the pleasure, the cathartic experience 395 00:21:32,124 --> 00:21:34,376 of watching humans being killed. 396 00:21:34,376 --> 00:21:37,004 WHITEHEAD: We think of this life‐or‐death 397 00:21:37,004 --> 00:21:40,466 type of sport as being something that's only in the ancient past, 398 00:21:40,466 --> 00:21:42,468 but there is still a sport 399 00:21:42,468 --> 00:21:44,220 where life and death is involved, 400 00:21:44,220 --> 00:21:46,430 and this would be the sport of bullfighting. 401 00:21:46,430 --> 00:21:49,308 (Spanish music playing) 402 00:21:49,308 --> 00:21:52,353 XIMENEZ: Bullfighting in Spain is not only a tradition 403 00:21:52,353 --> 00:21:54,480 or a show, 404 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,732 it's, uh, actually part of the culture, 405 00:21:56,732 --> 00:21:58,317 and it's the last part in which 406 00:21:58,317 --> 00:22:02,279 a very, very strict, uh, dance happens around the bull, 407 00:22:02,279 --> 00:22:04,532 and this man, this matador, 408 00:22:04,532 --> 00:22:08,494 actually is risking his life in front of you. 409 00:22:08,494 --> 00:22:10,496 THOMPSON: The danger and the bloodiness is a part of it. 410 00:22:10,496 --> 00:22:13,165 If the matador wins, the bull bleeds to death 411 00:22:13,165 --> 00:22:14,750 in front of the spectators. 412 00:22:14,750 --> 00:22:18,462 Now, of course if the bull wins, uh, the‐the matador gets gored. 413 00:22:18,462 --> 00:22:21,799 XIMENEZ: In 2016, everybody was reminded 414 00:22:21,799 --> 00:22:23,759 about how dangerous bullfighting is 415 00:22:23,759 --> 00:22:26,637 when Víctor Barrio got gored to death by a bull 416 00:22:26,637 --> 00:22:28,848 in the middle of a bullfighting season. 417 00:22:28,848 --> 00:22:33,310 This was just another bullfighting festival. 418 00:22:33,310 --> 00:22:36,897 Uh, one of the hundreds that are in Spain in the summer. 419 00:22:36,897 --> 00:22:40,067 And Víctor Barrio was a experienced matador, 420 00:22:40,067 --> 00:22:44,446 and he was gored to death right there. 421 00:22:44,446 --> 00:22:47,741 It was a shocking event for the nation. 422 00:22:47,741 --> 00:22:51,078 It was a‐a reminder of how dangerous this practice is. 423 00:22:51,078 --> 00:22:53,914 The possibility 424 00:22:53,914 --> 00:22:56,333 of a man dying before your eyes, 425 00:22:56,333 --> 00:22:58,669 it adds a layer of thrill to it. 426 00:22:58,669 --> 00:22:59,879 It's undeniable 427 00:22:59,879 --> 00:23:01,505 that it's just part of the attraction. 428 00:23:01,505 --> 00:23:04,216 Think of it as rodeos. Think of it as 429 00:23:04,216 --> 00:23:06,760 NASCAR races. They have a layer of danger, 430 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:08,429 of live danger. 431 00:23:10,431 --> 00:23:12,016 WHITEHEAD: It's not just 432 00:23:12,016 --> 00:23:16,145 witnessing winning and losing and some friendly competition. 433 00:23:16,145 --> 00:23:18,063 This takes it to the next level. 434 00:23:18,063 --> 00:23:22,860 And the question is, what is it about human nature 435 00:23:22,860 --> 00:23:26,363 that would have thousands of people wanting to gather 436 00:23:26,363 --> 00:23:29,158 in some Colosseum or some modern stadium 437 00:23:29,158 --> 00:23:33,954 to watch this ritualistic form of combat, 438 00:23:33,954 --> 00:23:35,831 and why they would actually want to be involved 439 00:23:35,831 --> 00:23:37,958 in witnessing a ritualized form of death? 440 00:23:37,958 --> 00:23:41,712 TRIGG: It's really interesting to watch the fans. 441 00:23:41,712 --> 00:23:43,964 People actually get to a space where 442 00:23:43,964 --> 00:23:46,133 they lose social graces. 443 00:23:46,133 --> 00:23:48,218 They kind of lose themselves in the event, 444 00:23:48,218 --> 00:23:51,055 which is why going to a live event is so important 445 00:23:51,055 --> 00:23:52,890 for somebody that loves MMA. 446 00:23:52,890 --> 00:23:54,892 You'll see normal guys, and it could be 447 00:23:54,892 --> 00:23:56,143 even someone that you know personally. 448 00:23:56,143 --> 00:23:58,062 "Oh, he's a great guy. He's a Christian. 449 00:23:58,062 --> 00:24:00,606 He's a super family man, doesn't swear, hardly ever drinks," 450 00:24:00,606 --> 00:24:02,775 but he gets to the fight and he is cursing and swearing 451 00:24:02,775 --> 00:24:04,443 and throwing stuff down at everybody. 452 00:24:04,443 --> 00:24:05,903 You're like, "What? What happened? 453 00:24:05,903 --> 00:24:07,905 Oh, he's... That's his guy. That's his fighter." 454 00:24:11,700 --> 00:24:14,203 SHATNER: When we watch two men fight each other 455 00:24:14,203 --> 00:24:15,788 for sport, or watch a matador 456 00:24:15,788 --> 00:24:18,582 stare down a raging bull, 457 00:24:18,582 --> 00:24:21,627 is there a "spark of violence" 458 00:24:21,627 --> 00:24:23,629 that gets unleashed within all of us? 459 00:24:23,629 --> 00:24:28,467 A streak of barbarism that becomes somehow satisfied 460 00:24:28,467 --> 00:24:32,805 by what is, in effect, a ritual form of brutality? 461 00:24:32,805 --> 00:24:35,849 Perhaps the answer can be found by examining 462 00:24:35,849 --> 00:24:38,811 another ancient ritual, 463 00:24:38,811 --> 00:24:42,356 one designed to cure, not just a diseased body... 464 00:24:42,356 --> 00:24:46,026 ‐(thunder crashing) ‐...but a diseased soul 465 00:24:46,026 --> 00:24:47,987 ‐by casting out... ‐(screaming) 466 00:24:47,987 --> 00:24:49,613 ...the Devil himself. 467 00:24:53,325 --> 00:24:55,327 Gary, Indiana. THOMPSON: In 2018,R: 468 00:24:55,327 --> 00:24:57,538 April 2012. 469 00:24:57,538 --> 00:24:59,790 Father Michael Maginot, 470 00:24:59,790 --> 00:25:02,292 the pastor of Saint Stephen, Martyr Catholic Church, 471 00:25:02,292 --> 00:25:06,171 meets with Latoya Ammons in her home. 472 00:25:06,171 --> 00:25:09,925 But this is not a common pastoral house call 473 00:25:09,925 --> 00:25:14,179 because Father Mike, as he is known by his parishioners, 474 00:25:14,179 --> 00:25:16,015 is also an exorcist, 475 00:25:16,015 --> 00:25:18,851 and he has been asked 476 00:25:18,851 --> 00:25:22,187 to rid this home of a demon. 477 00:25:23,981 --> 00:25:27,484 Latoya moved into this particular house 478 00:25:27,484 --> 00:25:31,363 in Gary in November of 2011. 479 00:25:31,363 --> 00:25:35,159 She was the mother of three children. 480 00:25:35,159 --> 00:25:37,995 And once the family moved in, 481 00:25:37,995 --> 00:25:40,205 they were noticing all kinds of phenomena 482 00:25:40,205 --> 00:25:42,041 happening in the house. 483 00:25:43,083 --> 00:25:44,752 Flies were swarming 484 00:25:44,752 --> 00:25:47,337 in the middle of winter. 485 00:25:47,337 --> 00:25:49,715 (pounding) 486 00:25:49,715 --> 00:25:52,134 They would hear noises through the house. 487 00:25:52,134 --> 00:25:55,929 ‐(creaking) ‐Footsteps coming up the stairs 488 00:25:55,929 --> 00:25:59,266 from the basement. 489 00:25:59,266 --> 00:26:02,144 They would see shadow figures pacing back and forth 490 00:26:02,144 --> 00:26:05,230 in the living room and turn on the light 491 00:26:05,230 --> 00:26:08,233 and see muddy footprints 492 00:26:08,233 --> 00:26:10,277 left on the floor. 493 00:26:11,653 --> 00:26:14,740 Her children, uh, were also exhibiting 494 00:26:14,740 --> 00:26:16,492 some really odd behavior. 495 00:26:16,492 --> 00:26:17,951 (indistinct whispering) 496 00:26:17,951 --> 00:26:20,746 One of the boys was seen talking to an imaginary friend 497 00:26:20,746 --> 00:26:24,541 that resided somewhere within the house. 498 00:26:24,541 --> 00:26:29,421 And reports also suggest that the daughter was seen levitating 499 00:26:29,421 --> 00:26:31,423 several feet above her bed at night. 500 00:26:34,468 --> 00:26:37,763 MAGINOT: And so, Latoya was convinced 501 00:26:37,763 --> 00:26:41,725 something beyond explanation was happening to her family, 502 00:26:41,725 --> 00:26:43,727 but no one would really believe her. 503 00:26:43,727 --> 00:26:48,107 During that time, the children, they were getting sick. 504 00:26:48,107 --> 00:26:50,818 And then Child Protective Services 505 00:26:50,818 --> 00:26:54,196 were getting reports that they were missing a lot of school, 506 00:26:54,196 --> 00:26:58,742 so they actually were investigating, um, Latoya. 507 00:26:58,742 --> 00:27:03,247 She was saying that it was demonic possession, 508 00:27:03,247 --> 00:27:06,667 and so they were giving her psychiatric examinations, 509 00:27:06,667 --> 00:27:11,755 but they couldn't find any psychological illness with her. 510 00:27:11,755 --> 00:27:14,216 SHATNER: Not only did the authorities fail to find 511 00:27:14,216 --> 00:27:17,636 any trace of mental illness in Latoya's behavior, 512 00:27:17,636 --> 00:27:21,640 or any inconsistencies in her story, 513 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:25,018 they also witnessed an event involving her son 514 00:27:25,018 --> 00:27:27,229 that made them realize that something 515 00:27:27,229 --> 00:27:29,523 really was happening to this family, 516 00:27:29,523 --> 00:27:32,401 something unexplained. 517 00:27:32,401 --> 00:27:36,280 During the family's psychiatric evaluations, 518 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:41,076 the youngest child began rolling eyes in the back of his head, 519 00:27:41,076 --> 00:27:43,704 growling. 520 00:27:43,704 --> 00:27:48,375 And then the case worker, as well as several members 521 00:27:48,375 --> 00:27:53,005 of hospital staff, witnessed the boy walk backwards up a wall. 522 00:27:55,757 --> 00:27:59,636 MAGINOT: When they witnessed the boy walk up the wall backwards, 523 00:27:59,636 --> 00:28:00,888 yeah, they were believers. 524 00:28:00,888 --> 00:28:03,974 They knew there was no explanation for that. 525 00:28:03,974 --> 00:28:08,103 And so, I got called to investigate this case 526 00:28:08,103 --> 00:28:10,522 by the hospital chaplain, 527 00:28:10,522 --> 00:28:12,983 and I went to visit Latoya. 528 00:28:12,983 --> 00:28:14,985 It was a four‐hour interview, 529 00:28:14,985 --> 00:28:17,988 and it was in the midst of that 530 00:28:17,988 --> 00:28:20,282 that I placed the crucifix 531 00:28:20,282 --> 00:28:25,162 on her forehead and she began to convulse. 532 00:28:25,162 --> 00:28:27,581 Then I took it off and she stopped convulsing. 533 00:28:27,581 --> 00:28:31,877 And that's one of the main things that fits 534 00:28:31,877 --> 00:28:34,379 the signs of demonic possession. 535 00:28:34,379 --> 00:28:37,841 After considering the evidence, 536 00:28:37,841 --> 00:28:41,094 I was convinced that the only way to get rid of it 537 00:28:41,094 --> 00:28:44,097 was a church‐sanctioned exorcism. 538 00:28:44,097 --> 00:28:48,268 And so I reported that, uh, to the bishop 539 00:28:48,268 --> 00:28:49,811 and he gave permission. 540 00:28:49,811 --> 00:28:55,317 An exorcism is a ritual, a spiritual battle, 541 00:28:55,317 --> 00:28:59,988 and so you need to somehow upset the demon. 542 00:28:59,988 --> 00:29:02,658 One of the instruments that I would use 543 00:29:02,658 --> 00:29:04,326 would be a blessed crucifix 544 00:29:04,326 --> 00:29:06,870 to put on the person's forehead. 545 00:29:06,870 --> 00:29:10,916 A second thing is sprinkling holy water. 546 00:29:10,916 --> 00:29:14,711 There are three sections of the rite 547 00:29:14,711 --> 00:29:16,880 where you're addressing the demon 548 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,257 and a second place where you're addressing God, 549 00:29:19,257 --> 00:29:21,927 and you could do it in English, 550 00:29:21,927 --> 00:29:23,845 or else, you could also do it in Latin. 551 00:29:23,845 --> 00:29:26,723 ‐(speaking Latin) ‐In Latoya's case, 552 00:29:26,723 --> 00:29:28,809 when we were addressing the demon in Latin, 553 00:29:28,809 --> 00:29:31,395 Latoya would be convulsing, 554 00:29:31,395 --> 00:29:34,898 but when we were addressing God, she would stop convulsing. 555 00:29:34,898 --> 00:29:37,234 I'm the only one there that knew the Latin, 556 00:29:37,234 --> 00:29:39,695 and‐and I found that kind of amazing. 557 00:29:41,363 --> 00:29:44,908 A demonic entity will fight for the territory 558 00:29:44,908 --> 00:29:47,035 that they have gained, 559 00:29:47,035 --> 00:29:50,205 but then, eventually, it starts to lessen. 560 00:29:50,205 --> 00:29:53,208 With Latoya, finally she fell asleep, 561 00:29:53,208 --> 00:29:57,421 and that was kind of an indication that it left. 562 00:29:57,421 --> 00:30:00,007 Once she got cleared, um, 563 00:30:00,007 --> 00:30:03,844 then the children were also fine after that as well. 564 00:30:03,844 --> 00:30:08,181 SHATNER: What saved Latoya Ammons and her children 565 00:30:08,181 --> 00:30:11,768 from their deep physical and emotional torment? 566 00:30:11,768 --> 00:30:15,439 Was it really the spiritual power of the ritual 567 00:30:15,439 --> 00:30:17,774 that Father Michael performed? 568 00:30:17,774 --> 00:30:21,695 Or was it the psychological or psychosomatic effect 569 00:30:21,695 --> 00:30:27,451 that simply performing a ritual had on Latoya and her family? 570 00:30:27,451 --> 00:30:28,910 Latoya's case is really interesting 571 00:30:28,910 --> 00:30:31,288 because it's a case that actually made national news. 572 00:30:31,288 --> 00:30:34,499 Herself and her children were exhibiting symptoms 573 00:30:34,499 --> 00:30:36,835 that could not be explained rationally 574 00:30:36,835 --> 00:30:39,546 by modern medical science, but in the end, 575 00:30:39,546 --> 00:30:41,339 after all of their attempts, 576 00:30:41,339 --> 00:30:43,216 it was the exorcism itself 577 00:30:43,216 --> 00:30:45,469 that actually produced the positive effect. 578 00:30:45,469 --> 00:30:48,346 We have evidence of exorcism rituals 579 00:30:48,346 --> 00:30:52,142 dating back 3,000 years ago in ancient Babylon. 580 00:30:52,142 --> 00:30:53,560 (shouting incoherently) 581 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,562 CHAVEZ: To those that say that exorcism 582 00:30:55,562 --> 00:30:58,523 shouldn't exist in modern society, 583 00:30:58,523 --> 00:31:02,527 they really need to appreciate just how successful 584 00:31:02,527 --> 00:31:07,157 exorcism can be as a ritual, how it's able to help people. 585 00:31:07,157 --> 00:31:10,077 TZADOK: Exorcisms are not just performed by one religion 586 00:31:10,077 --> 00:31:13,080 or another, they're performed by all the different religions. 587 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,582 It happens everywhere because we're dealing with 588 00:31:15,582 --> 00:31:18,376 the commonality of human souls. 589 00:31:18,376 --> 00:31:22,547 We recognize that the nature of a possession 590 00:31:22,547 --> 00:31:27,719 is an earthbound soul which is unable to 591 00:31:27,719 --> 00:31:31,932 or afraid to move forward in its spiritual progression. 592 00:31:31,932 --> 00:31:37,813 And we perform rituals because the nature of ritual 593 00:31:37,813 --> 00:31:41,316 is being an expression of inner psychological 594 00:31:41,316 --> 00:31:43,527 ideas and beliefs. 595 00:31:43,527 --> 00:31:48,532 And therefore, as such, exorcisms become 596 00:31:48,532 --> 00:31:50,784 a required practice. 597 00:31:50,784 --> 00:31:52,452 (growling) 598 00:31:55,872 --> 00:31:59,626 Can ritual really be used to fight off evil spirits? 599 00:31:59,626 --> 00:32:03,505 You may say that notion sounds too outlandish to even consider, 600 00:32:03,505 --> 00:32:05,715 until you realize that, at one time or another, 601 00:32:05,715 --> 00:32:08,051 even you... 602 00:32:08,051 --> 00:32:11,096 have probably used a ritual to connect with a higher power. 603 00:32:11,096 --> 00:32:12,514 It's called prayer. 604 00:32:12,514 --> 00:32:14,641 And there are billions of people all over the world 605 00:32:14,641 --> 00:32:18,019 who believe that prayer 606 00:32:18,019 --> 00:32:21,439 is the most powerful ritual of all. 607 00:32:27,070 --> 00:32:28,446 SHATNER: Israel. TZADOK: You can have a gathering of literally 608 00:32:28,446 --> 00:32:30,490 January 2018. 609 00:32:31,783 --> 00:32:35,495 Here, in what is known as the Holy Land, 610 00:32:35,495 --> 00:32:40,000 the average temperature is almost 90 degrees Fahrenheit, 611 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:44,713 and water is a precious commodity. 612 00:32:44,713 --> 00:32:47,257 But this is no average year. 613 00:32:50,844 --> 00:32:52,554 It's been almost five years 614 00:32:52,554 --> 00:32:55,015 since more than a few drops of rain 615 00:32:55,015 --> 00:32:58,143 fell upon Israel's thirsty sands, 616 00:32:58,143 --> 00:33:02,397 and the people are beginning to panic. 617 00:33:02,397 --> 00:33:05,275 TZADOK: The spring season in the Middle East 618 00:33:05,275 --> 00:33:09,029 is the time for the rains to come. 619 00:33:09,029 --> 00:33:12,073 As such, if the rains are not there, 620 00:33:12,073 --> 00:33:13,533 you don't have your agriculture, 621 00:33:13,533 --> 00:33:17,204 which is a life‐and‐death type of experience. 622 00:33:17,204 --> 00:33:18,371 Even in modern times, 623 00:33:18,371 --> 00:33:20,457 with all of our modern technology, 624 00:33:20,457 --> 00:33:22,709 rain makes the crops grow. 625 00:33:22,709 --> 00:33:25,420 No crops, no food; no food, no life. 626 00:33:25,420 --> 00:33:28,506 So when we have a drought, 627 00:33:28,506 --> 00:33:30,675 this creates crisis. 628 00:33:33,094 --> 00:33:35,096 SHATNER: Israel is one of the wealthiest 629 00:33:35,096 --> 00:33:38,433 and most technologically advanced countries in the world. 630 00:33:38,433 --> 00:33:42,771 It is also one of the most religious. 631 00:33:42,771 --> 00:33:47,525 So when facing its worst drought in close to 100 years, 632 00:33:47,525 --> 00:33:51,196 with the fate of the entire country hanging in the balance, 633 00:33:51,196 --> 00:33:53,698 what is their solution? 634 00:33:53,698 --> 00:33:57,285 ‐(praying in foreign language) ‐Prayer. 635 00:33:57,285 --> 00:33:59,829 TZADOK: In our Judaic tradition, 636 00:33:59,829 --> 00:34:02,916 we have had a long‐standing history 637 00:34:02,916 --> 00:34:04,793 that when there is drought, 638 00:34:04,793 --> 00:34:06,711 the chief rabbi of the country 639 00:34:06,711 --> 00:34:10,382 can call the entire nation to prayer. 640 00:34:10,382 --> 00:34:13,468 And you can have a gathering in Jerusalem 641 00:34:13,468 --> 00:34:17,347 of literally thousands or tens of thousands of minds, 642 00:34:17,347 --> 00:34:19,391 souls, that will come together 643 00:34:19,391 --> 00:34:23,937 and pour out their collective energy, 644 00:34:23,937 --> 00:34:29,359 calling upon God in heaven to literally manipulate 645 00:34:29,359 --> 00:34:33,280 the forces of nature and bring rain. 646 00:34:36,032 --> 00:34:40,245 THOMPSON: In 2018, Israel was in a major drought, 647 00:34:40,245 --> 00:34:42,163 and this was really beginning to cause problems. 648 00:34:42,163 --> 00:34:45,458 At this point, uh, Chief Rabbi David Lau 649 00:34:45,458 --> 00:34:48,086 organized a massive ritual, 650 00:34:48,086 --> 00:34:50,630 put out a call for believers to come 651 00:34:50,630 --> 00:34:53,550 to one of the most sacred sites in Judaism, 652 00:34:53,550 --> 00:34:58,013 ‐the Wailing Wall. ‐(praying in foreign language) 653 00:34:58,013 --> 00:34:59,598 They went to the Wailing Wall, 654 00:34:59,598 --> 00:35:02,892 and you had thousands of Jews praying for rain to come. 655 00:35:02,892 --> 00:35:05,812 (praying continues) 656 00:35:05,812 --> 00:35:07,981 TZADOK: When the individual Torah‐observant 657 00:35:07,981 --> 00:35:13,612 Jewish man wraps himself in his tallit prayer shawl 658 00:35:13,612 --> 00:35:17,449 and puts on the boxes of the tefillin, 659 00:35:17,449 --> 00:35:24,039 he creates for himself a psychic bubble of energy, 660 00:35:24,039 --> 00:35:28,126 which unites the individual mind and heart 661 00:35:28,126 --> 00:35:32,922 with the collective power of the word of God, 662 00:35:32,922 --> 00:35:36,051 literally materialized before him in the form 663 00:35:36,051 --> 00:35:37,636 of the fringes of the prayer shawl, 664 00:35:37,636 --> 00:35:41,806 and literally in the form of the scrolls 665 00:35:41,806 --> 00:35:43,892 that are upon his arm next to his heart 666 00:35:43,892 --> 00:35:46,519 and on his head, close to his mind. 667 00:35:48,647 --> 00:35:52,901 SHATNER: It is one thing for us to believe the ritual of prayer 668 00:35:52,901 --> 00:35:55,737 has the ability to affect our world. 669 00:35:55,737 --> 00:35:59,032 But can the act of praying actually 670 00:35:59,032 --> 00:36:03,203 connect us to a higher power? 671 00:36:03,203 --> 00:36:06,873 A ritual is a very predictable sequence of, of events. 672 00:36:18,927 --> 00:36:21,596 But the interesting thing is, if you have two things, 673 00:36:21,596 --> 00:36:22,972 you have a boundary between them. 674 00:36:22,972 --> 00:36:26,142 And prayer and prayer rituals might be a way 675 00:36:26,142 --> 00:36:28,853 of influencing that boundary between the physical 676 00:36:28,853 --> 00:36:32,148 and the nonphysical in a way that the nonphysical 677 00:36:32,148 --> 00:36:34,526 then interacts again with the physical world. 678 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,281 SHATNER: To those more secular and cynical‐minded, 679 00:36:40,281 --> 00:36:44,869 praying is a rather quaint, if not irrelevant pastime. 680 00:36:44,869 --> 00:36:48,540 There's no reason it should work, right? 681 00:36:50,583 --> 00:36:53,044 ‐(praying in foreign language) ‐Except that in the case 682 00:36:53,044 --> 00:36:56,131 of ending Israel's drought in 2018, 683 00:36:56,131 --> 00:37:00,093 many believe it did. 684 00:37:00,093 --> 00:37:04,097 ‐(praying continues) ‐(thunder rumbling) 685 00:37:16,317 --> 00:37:17,736 (thunder crashing) 686 00:37:23,533 --> 00:37:26,411 AMIR HUSSAIN: You can say that it's just simply correlation‐‐ 687 00:37:26,411 --> 00:37:29,831 yes, you prayed and yes, three days later there was rain, 688 00:37:29,831 --> 00:37:31,416 but the one thing didn't cause the other. 689 00:37:31,416 --> 00:37:34,294 I mean, that's the scientific approach. 690 00:37:34,294 --> 00:37:35,795 The religious approach is a little bit different 691 00:37:35,795 --> 00:37:38,673 to say, well, maybe we did, maybe we did influence this, 692 00:37:38,673 --> 00:37:42,135 maybe God listened to these prayers. 693 00:37:44,304 --> 00:37:47,932 (men singing, clapping) 694 00:37:47,932 --> 00:37:51,811 TZADOK: In Judaism, there are rituals that augment the power 695 00:37:51,811 --> 00:37:53,897 of the individual‐‐ 696 00:37:53,897 --> 00:37:58,276 the passion, the desire, the thought, the idea, 697 00:37:58,276 --> 00:38:02,280 creating, if you will, a psychic field, 698 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:07,160 which combines to give great psychic spiritual energy 699 00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:11,748 for the fulfillment of that which the individuals seek. 700 00:38:11,748 --> 00:38:15,710 But when we come together as a collective, 701 00:38:15,710 --> 00:38:20,423 we find that it does have the power to influence change. 702 00:38:20,423 --> 00:38:24,677 They prayed for rain. And the prayers were answered. 703 00:38:24,677 --> 00:38:29,098 (praying in foreign language) 704 00:38:29,098 --> 00:38:32,143 SHATNER: Of course, there's always the chance that it wasn't prayer, 705 00:38:32,143 --> 00:38:36,064 but coincidence that saved the Israeli people. 706 00:38:36,064 --> 00:38:38,399 The drought would have ended at some point. 707 00:38:38,399 --> 00:38:42,529 But then, why take chances? 708 00:38:42,529 --> 00:38:44,697 Perhaps the faithful know something 709 00:38:44,697 --> 00:38:47,575 that nonbelievers don't. 710 00:38:47,575 --> 00:38:50,203 And this could also help to explain the rituals 711 00:38:50,203 --> 00:38:53,331 associated with the event that, for all of us, 712 00:38:53,331 --> 00:38:56,876 really is the final frontier... 713 00:38:58,127 --> 00:39:03,466 ...death. 714 00:39:03,466 --> 00:39:05,009 SHATNER: Indonesia. 715 00:39:05,009 --> 00:39:08,221 High in the mountains of the island of Sulawesi, 716 00:39:08,221 --> 00:39:12,851 the residents of a small Torajan village gather for a funeral. 717 00:39:12,851 --> 00:39:15,937 But are funeral rites a sign 718 00:39:15,937 --> 00:39:20,567 that mankind has difficulty in accepting the finality of death? 719 00:39:20,567 --> 00:39:25,029 Or is it because our subconscious minds 720 00:39:25,029 --> 00:39:29,409 know that death is not really an end, but a beginning? 721 00:39:29,409 --> 00:39:31,452 THOMPSON: Every culture in the world 722 00:39:31,452 --> 00:39:34,539 has some sort of death ritual, and studying those will tell you 723 00:39:34,539 --> 00:39:36,165 a lot about what those people think 724 00:39:36,165 --> 00:39:40,169 of the afterlife, about the soul, about society. 725 00:39:40,169 --> 00:39:44,173 So, in the Toraja communities, when somebody dies, 726 00:39:44,173 --> 00:39:47,594 they preserve the corpse so it doesn't rot, and then 727 00:39:47,594 --> 00:39:49,637 they treat it as if it were alive. 728 00:39:49,637 --> 00:39:53,766 Even the term they use for a recently deceased person 729 00:39:53,766 --> 00:39:56,728 in this state is, actually, means sick, 730 00:39:56,728 --> 00:39:59,397 so they don't acknowledge that the person has really died yet. 731 00:40:08,948 --> 00:40:10,867 They will talk to them, they will fill them in, 732 00:40:10,867 --> 00:40:12,285 in what's happening in the world... 733 00:40:14,370 --> 00:40:16,623 WHITEHEAD: They do mock dancing sessions 734 00:40:16,623 --> 00:40:19,292 with them, they parade them around. 735 00:40:19,292 --> 00:40:22,211 It's as if they're trying to stay in touch with the dead 736 00:40:22,211 --> 00:40:25,131 or, or somehow relate to the dead. 737 00:40:25,131 --> 00:40:27,800 THOMPSON: What is the relationship 738 00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,929 between your body and your soul and what happens at death? 739 00:40:30,929 --> 00:40:32,889 These are the elemental questions 740 00:40:32,889 --> 00:40:35,808 that studying different funerary traditions can tell us. 741 00:40:35,808 --> 00:40:39,145 So, all these different traditions seem 742 00:40:39,145 --> 00:40:41,522 very, very focused 743 00:40:41,522 --> 00:40:43,900 on maintaining strong links with the dead. 744 00:40:43,900 --> 00:40:46,527 Some cultures, like, for example, Indonesia, 745 00:40:46,527 --> 00:40:48,863 you may do things with the body 746 00:40:48,863 --> 00:40:52,283 that to us may seem very strange. 747 00:40:52,283 --> 00:40:54,827 But it's no different than a funeral, where the person 748 00:40:54,827 --> 00:40:57,956 has been dead for ten days, and the mortician 749 00:40:57,956 --> 00:41:01,793 makes them look like they're alive and they're just sleeping. 750 00:41:01,793 --> 00:41:04,837 There's this amazing connection that we have for the deceased. 751 00:41:04,837 --> 00:41:09,258 I can never call up my best friend again who passed away, 752 00:41:09,258 --> 00:41:11,469 but I'm still in connection with that person. 753 00:41:11,469 --> 00:41:13,721 I still think about that person. 754 00:41:13,721 --> 00:41:15,348 Sometimes I still talk to them. 755 00:41:15,348 --> 00:41:18,893 And I think these rituals help us to understand 756 00:41:18,893 --> 00:41:22,188 that we're still informed by these people. 757 00:41:22,188 --> 00:41:25,191 We're still in relationship with those who have passed. 758 00:41:25,191 --> 00:41:28,319 It's just a different kind of relationship. 759 00:41:30,530 --> 00:41:34,951 So, do rituals really work? 760 00:41:34,951 --> 00:41:36,452 Well, many of us certainly believe they do, 761 00:41:36,452 --> 00:41:38,788 even if we don't know how. 762 00:41:38,788 --> 00:41:42,250 Whether it's to acquire superhuman abilities 763 00:41:42,250 --> 00:41:46,838 or to ward off evil, rituals help to connect us 764 00:41:46,838 --> 00:41:50,258 to a world very different from our own. 765 00:41:50,258 --> 00:41:53,720 It's a world of the spiritual. 766 00:41:53,720 --> 00:41:58,933 It's a world of the supernatural. 767 00:41:58,933 --> 00:42:01,185 It's a world of The UnXplained. 768 00:42:01,185 --> 00:42:03,563 CAPTIONING PROVIDED BY A+E NETWORKS 61837

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