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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:30,947 --> 00:00:32,699 Line drive to right field... 2 00:00:32,782 --> 00:00:35,785 Solemnly swear the testimony you're about to give will be the truth... 3 00:00:35,869 --> 00:00:39,831 I have never, ever failed a drug test. 4 00:00:40,373 --> 00:00:43,293 Before, during and after the Olympics. 5 00:00:44,043 --> 00:00:47,380 Over 160 drug tests. 6 00:00:47,464 --> 00:00:50,467 I have never failed a test. 7 00:00:51,426 --> 00:00:54,220 For the record, have you ever used human growth hormone 8 00:00:54,304 --> 00:00:57,265 or any other performance-enhancing substance? 9 00:00:58,015 --> 00:00:59,016 No. 10 00:00:59,101 --> 00:01:01,181 I'm trying to make sure your testimony's clear. 11 00:01:01,228 --> 00:01:02,955 How many times do I have to say it? 12 00:01:02,979 --> 00:01:04,314 I've never taken drugs. 13 00:01:04,397 --> 00:01:06,274 You're winning the Tour de France... 14 00:01:06,358 --> 00:01:07,558 How clear is that? 15 00:01:07,609 --> 00:01:08,878 Win the Tour de France, 16 00:01:08,902 --> 00:01:12,197 like the all-time greats who've ever won this big event. 17 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:14,407 Extraordinary accusations... 18 00:01:14,907 --> 00:01:19,329 must be followed up with extraordinary proof. 19 00:01:21,790 --> 00:01:24,084 And they have not come up with extraordinary proof. 20 00:01:42,477 --> 00:01:43,520 See... 21 00:01:45,939 --> 00:01:46,939 We have... 22 00:01:47,565 --> 00:01:50,610 this mountain bike. 23 00:01:52,862 --> 00:01:54,447 Loading up the Thule rack. 24 00:01:54,531 --> 00:01:59,285 And this is my entire life in the car right now, 25 00:01:59,702 --> 00:02:02,664 set up, ready for insanity. 26 00:02:03,665 --> 00:02:08,002 I'm getting ready for the single hardest amateur cycling event in the world. 27 00:02:08,085 --> 00:02:11,756 It's basically a miniature Tour de France for insane people. 28 00:02:11,839 --> 00:02:14,926 Does it qualify for anything if you do well with it? 29 00:02:15,009 --> 00:02:16,219 Yeah, stupidity. 30 00:02:19,681 --> 00:02:25,186 I've been riding for 28 years seriously, but never as a professional. 31 00:02:25,270 --> 00:02:28,773 Going to these massive amateur events that are not professional, 32 00:02:28,857 --> 00:02:33,987 but, I mean, there's serious guys there. And the... 33 00:02:34,070 --> 00:02:37,365 - Max! He loves... He's got a foot fetish. - It tickles! 34 00:02:40,618 --> 00:02:44,372 I certainly didn't know when I started on this 35 00:02:44,872 --> 00:02:46,291 what it was gonna lead to. 36 00:02:49,794 --> 00:02:52,129 When LeMond won that first Tour de France, 37 00:02:52,214 --> 00:02:54,507 I was in seventh grade, I think. 38 00:02:54,591 --> 00:02:58,010 Can you believe it? After over 2,000 miles... 39 00:02:58,094 --> 00:03:00,137 His name in French means "the world," 40 00:03:00,222 --> 00:03:02,682 and this is the world of Greg LeMond in Paris today. 41 00:03:02,765 --> 00:03:05,142 Being the first American to win it, 42 00:03:05,227 --> 00:03:07,354 it really brought me into the sport. 43 00:03:08,271 --> 00:03:10,648 I ate a wheel going about 40 miles an hour. 44 00:03:10,732 --> 00:03:15,028 I spent my entire freshman year of college with plastic teeth in my mouth. 45 00:03:15,612 --> 00:03:17,488 I would've kept racing if it wasn't for that. 46 00:03:17,572 --> 00:03:18,907 He's really hurting... 47 00:03:18,990 --> 00:03:23,160 Later, Armstrong came along. That was a whole other ball of wax. 48 00:03:23,245 --> 00:03:25,455 Off the back wheel of Armstrong, 49 00:03:25,538 --> 00:03:27,683 - they can't respond to pressure. - The gap is there. 50 00:03:27,707 --> 00:03:30,167 He is just going faster and faster and faster. 51 00:03:30,252 --> 00:03:32,629 This has to be the greatest comeback in any sport. 52 00:03:32,712 --> 00:03:35,632 The fact that Armstrong managed to conquer cancer was unbelievable. 53 00:03:35,715 --> 00:03:38,468 Now he's riding at the front of the Tour de France like a Trojan. 54 00:03:40,595 --> 00:03:43,640 I think I'm a year and a half younger than Lance. 55 00:03:44,599 --> 00:03:46,183 He was kind of my hero. 56 00:03:48,019 --> 00:03:51,231 For now, I'd just like a yes or a no. 57 00:03:52,064 --> 00:03:56,027 Did you ever take banned substances to enhance your cycling performance? 58 00:03:56,110 --> 00:03:57,110 Yes. 59 00:04:02,533 --> 00:04:06,496 I'd always suspected that he had been doping. 60 00:04:08,122 --> 00:04:12,001 I felt that I didn't really wanna know. 61 00:04:14,379 --> 00:04:16,881 Because a lot of the guys that he raced with 62 00:04:16,964 --> 00:04:21,010 and guys who had raced against him that I'd just known over the years... 63 00:04:22,262 --> 00:04:23,638 they were my friends. 64 00:04:25,181 --> 00:04:29,477 If you would've had your choice, you would've never doped? 65 00:04:29,561 --> 00:04:31,438 Ever? 66 00:04:32,229 --> 00:04:34,190 Up until it directly affected me, 67 00:04:34,274 --> 00:04:37,819 I was like, "I think Lance is probably clean." 68 00:04:38,820 --> 00:04:39,963 I don't know. 69 00:04:39,987 --> 00:04:42,324 It's... messy. 70 00:04:46,411 --> 00:04:50,164 The way they got him, this is what nobody understood. 71 00:04:50,247 --> 00:04:53,000 150 times over the last six years, I've been tested. 72 00:04:53,084 --> 00:04:56,463 In competition, out of competition, at home, at a race, 73 00:04:56,546 --> 00:05:00,008 Seven in the morning, seven at night, whatever, and they're all clean. 74 00:05:01,133 --> 00:05:02,969 He never failed a drug test. 75 00:05:04,846 --> 00:05:08,057 Solemnly swear the testimony you're about to give will be the truth? 76 00:05:08,140 --> 00:05:10,685 It was his teammates who had turned on him 77 00:05:10,768 --> 00:05:12,770 as part of the federal investigation. 78 00:05:16,148 --> 00:05:21,613 If this guy had passed, whatever it is, 500 doping tests over his entire career, 79 00:05:22,322 --> 00:05:25,157 clearly the system didn't work. 80 00:05:26,659 --> 00:05:30,663 How many times did you test Lance during his career? 81 00:05:31,914 --> 00:05:34,626 As the laboratory of record, 82 00:05:34,709 --> 00:05:39,672 I'm estimating that I would've tested him 50 times. 5-0. 83 00:05:40,298 --> 00:05:44,093 So you tested Lance 50 times and never caught him? 84 00:05:44,636 --> 00:05:45,887 Correct. 85 00:05:47,639 --> 00:05:53,811 I developed and operated the UCLA Olympic Laboratory for 25 years. 86 00:05:54,479 --> 00:05:57,649 I'm known mostly for developing tests 87 00:05:57,732 --> 00:06:01,068 so that athletes get caught if they're using drugs. 88 00:06:03,070 --> 00:06:05,448 How did you personally feel every year? 89 00:06:05,532 --> 00:06:08,117 Did you believe that it was just Lance? 90 00:06:10,495 --> 00:06:12,497 - Do you think that... - They're all doping. 91 00:06:13,456 --> 00:06:15,041 Every single one of 'em. 92 00:06:16,459 --> 00:06:18,545 Unfortunately, the drugs work. 93 00:06:20,463 --> 00:06:26,678 With certain knowledge, you can get around the testing all the time. 94 00:06:27,512 --> 00:06:29,556 It's really easy to beat. 95 00:06:30,890 --> 00:06:32,016 Very easy. 96 00:06:33,685 --> 00:06:36,145 Originally, the idea that I had 97 00:06:36,228 --> 00:06:41,776 was to prove the system in place to test athletes was bullshit. 98 00:06:43,778 --> 00:06:48,450 I had read about the hardest amateur cycling race on the planet, 99 00:06:48,533 --> 00:06:50,034 this seven-day race 100 00:06:50,118 --> 00:06:52,286 through the French Alps, called the Haute Route. 101 00:06:55,957 --> 00:06:59,335 If you were to take the hardest seven days in the Tour de France, 102 00:06:59,418 --> 00:07:02,213 put 'em all together back-to-back-to-back-to-back, 103 00:07:02,296 --> 00:07:05,467 that would be what this Haute Route course was like. 104 00:07:08,595 --> 00:07:10,680 The first year I did it totally clean. 105 00:07:11,848 --> 00:07:14,559 There were 440 masochists. 106 00:07:16,936 --> 00:07:19,564 My goal was to be in the top 100. 107 00:07:30,032 --> 00:07:34,495 After seven days, 75,000 feet of climbing and 1,000 miles... 108 00:07:36,998 --> 00:07:39,501 I was destroyed. 109 00:07:47,008 --> 00:07:48,718 But I finished 14th. 110 00:07:50,678 --> 00:07:52,930 There's about ten guys, it seems, 111 00:07:53,806 --> 00:07:56,934 that are on just another level than everybody else. 112 00:07:58,435 --> 00:08:01,731 Then there's this next group, and then there's me. 113 00:08:03,691 --> 00:08:05,777 What did you think of the idea? 114 00:08:06,402 --> 00:08:09,739 Well, in certain senses, I like the idea. 115 00:08:10,698 --> 00:08:14,368 It depends on what you consider to be dangerous... 116 00:08:14,451 --> 00:08:15,495 Right. 117 00:08:15,578 --> 00:08:18,456 Testing yourself on these drugs. 118 00:08:19,331 --> 00:08:23,670 But I was curious, you know, how you were going to do it. 119 00:08:23,753 --> 00:08:26,673 I might be willing to help and advise and... 120 00:08:27,464 --> 00:08:29,175 avoid positives. 121 00:08:32,637 --> 00:08:33,781 Are you gonna take drugs? 122 00:08:33,805 --> 00:08:36,641 Yeah. Basically, go through... 123 00:08:36,724 --> 00:08:43,397 go through an entire doping program, but overseen by the scientist. 124 00:08:44,148 --> 00:08:47,819 I'm gonna have Don Catlin design a program for me 125 00:08:47,902 --> 00:08:51,948 that's gonna get through every single one of the doping controls in the world... 126 00:08:52,532 --> 00:08:53,533 clean. 127 00:09:06,588 --> 00:09:10,550 If I could do that and I could get away with it, 128 00:09:10,633 --> 00:09:13,886 that would mean that pretty much any athlete could do that 129 00:09:13,970 --> 00:09:15,722 and any athlete could get away with it. 130 00:09:17,098 --> 00:09:21,310 You're going to need a laboratory to test your body fluids. 131 00:09:21,393 --> 00:09:24,647 I wasn't sure how I was gonna get my samples into the lab yet. 132 00:09:24,731 --> 00:09:27,233 The only labs that test professional athletes 133 00:09:27,316 --> 00:09:29,360 are WADA-accredited labs. 134 00:09:30,361 --> 00:09:33,656 WADA is the World Anti-Doping Agency. 135 00:09:34,448 --> 00:09:37,827 The labs are set up that you can't just go do this. 136 00:09:38,535 --> 00:09:42,456 Because if somebody could just send their samples into a lab, 137 00:09:42,539 --> 00:09:45,209 then anybody could figure out how to game the system. 138 00:09:47,086 --> 00:09:48,087 And then... 139 00:09:48,170 --> 00:09:52,550 This could damage my reputation that I've worked on for years... 140 00:09:52,633 --> 00:09:55,344 He just started getting worried about his legacy. 141 00:09:55,428 --> 00:09:58,222 My involvement... it's just not gonna work. 142 00:09:58,514 --> 00:09:59,849 He backed out. 143 00:09:59,932 --> 00:10:02,769 But, you know, God bless Don Catlin, 144 00:10:02,852 --> 00:10:05,813 because he told me that he knew this guy... 145 00:10:06,397 --> 00:10:11,736 The director of the Olympic lab in Moscow, Grigory Rodchenkov. 146 00:10:11,819 --> 00:10:13,696 He's a great old friend. 147 00:10:14,655 --> 00:10:17,408 We talk a few times. He's in Moscow. 148 00:10:18,284 --> 00:10:22,246 And that set off this whole chain of events. 149 00:10:33,382 --> 00:10:34,822 Tell something. 150 00:10:35,217 --> 00:10:36,052 Hi. 151 00:10:36,135 --> 00:10:37,386 Oh! Great. 152 00:10:37,470 --> 00:10:39,847 - It's a secret window. Now it's clean. - Hmm. 153 00:10:40,097 --> 00:10:41,683 Yeah, you look good now. 154 00:10:41,766 --> 00:10:43,810 Yes, you, too. Go ahead. 155 00:10:45,227 --> 00:10:50,232 I met with this guy who's gonna at least, like, prescribe me the protocol. 156 00:10:50,316 --> 00:10:53,945 What is your ultimate purpose? You would like to beat doping test? 157 00:10:54,028 --> 00:10:56,197 You would like to start your hormonal program? 158 00:10:56,280 --> 00:11:00,618 - Yes. - Then give sample... and prove negative. 159 00:11:00,702 --> 00:11:01,703 Yes. 160 00:11:01,786 --> 00:11:03,120 Ha, ha, ha. 161 00:11:03,204 --> 00:11:07,374 You need a very serious advisor because there are a lot of traps. 162 00:11:07,458 --> 00:11:10,044 Normally drug... Okay. 163 00:11:11,671 --> 00:11:13,130 My dog is playing. 164 00:11:13,214 --> 00:11:16,342 I just came back, and he's very much excited. 165 00:11:16,425 --> 00:11:18,219 And he has a special toy... 166 00:11:18,302 --> 00:11:19,804 Yeah, I hear it. 167 00:11:19,887 --> 00:11:21,848 Hey, you wanna see my dog? 168 00:11:22,431 --> 00:11:24,058 - Let me get him. - Yes. 169 00:11:25,976 --> 00:11:27,853 Oh! 170 00:11:27,937 --> 00:11:29,563 Is it male, female? 171 00:11:29,646 --> 00:11:30,647 Male. 172 00:11:31,941 --> 00:11:33,025 Castrated? 173 00:11:33,109 --> 00:11:34,318 No. 174 00:11:34,401 --> 00:11:35,903 So with balls? 175 00:11:35,987 --> 00:11:37,238 He's got the balls. 176 00:11:37,321 --> 00:11:40,532 Yeah. There is the balls. Yes, yes. 177 00:11:41,701 --> 00:11:44,537 - Yeah, this is Max. - Max. 178 00:11:44,620 --> 00:11:45,913 Max. Yeah. 179 00:11:45,996 --> 00:11:49,500 Testosterone, you have to have a prescription. 180 00:11:49,583 --> 00:11:51,669 Yes, uh, injectable. 181 00:11:51,752 --> 00:11:52,753 Injectable, right. 182 00:11:52,837 --> 00:11:54,922 So, now you are clever, huh? 183 00:11:55,506 --> 00:11:56,716 Like Lance Armstrong. 184 00:11:57,299 --> 00:11:58,675 Send it to me. 185 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:01,303 Names, doses, for how long... 186 00:12:01,387 --> 00:12:03,305 So everything should be orchestrated. 187 00:12:03,890 --> 00:12:06,809 How do I do that? Just send you everything I'm gonna take? 188 00:12:06,893 --> 00:12:09,812 Yes, your one-month schedule. Yes. 189 00:12:11,397 --> 00:12:14,441 We've got three medications that you'll take by injection. 190 00:12:14,525 --> 00:12:18,279 - This is five times a week? - Yeah, it's all on your regimen sheet. 191 00:12:18,905 --> 00:12:21,032 We'll draw up half a cc. 192 00:12:21,115 --> 00:12:23,200 - Looks like a big needle. - It's a tiny needle. 193 00:12:23,284 --> 00:12:24,285 - Really? - Yeah. 194 00:12:24,368 --> 00:12:29,206 Your testosterone comes ready to go. This is very, very viscous. 195 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:33,878 It's a very thick substance, so you need a big needle to draw it up. 196 00:12:35,629 --> 00:12:36,964 Then we're gonna pull out. 197 00:12:37,756 --> 00:12:39,716 So there's your .2 CC's. 198 00:12:39,801 --> 00:12:42,719 And that one goes also in the top of your thigh. 199 00:12:44,263 --> 00:12:46,974 - I'm a little nervous, but all right. - Okay. 200 00:12:47,058 --> 00:12:48,600 Give me a thigh. 201 00:12:48,684 --> 00:12:50,519 And does it hurt the muscle? Do you flex? 202 00:12:50,602 --> 00:12:53,314 It's not gonna go in your muscle. It's gonna go above. 203 00:12:53,397 --> 00:12:57,026 You just pinch it, and we're just gonna go just through the skin. 204 00:12:57,109 --> 00:12:58,194 That's it. 205 00:12:58,277 --> 00:13:00,863 And then we're just gonna put that underneath the skin. 206 00:13:00,947 --> 00:13:02,907 - Did that hurt? - No, not too bad. 207 00:13:02,990 --> 00:13:06,077 - I mean, I see it there. - It'll go away in no time. 208 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:07,995 - That's the HCG. - Oh, shit. 209 00:13:08,079 --> 00:13:10,706 And right next to it, the testosterone. 210 00:13:10,789 --> 00:13:13,417 Pop it through the skin. That's all we're looking to do. 211 00:13:13,500 --> 00:13:15,711 Just through the skin. It's real thick now. 212 00:13:16,879 --> 00:13:19,590 - And you are pumped up. - Whoa! 213 00:13:19,673 --> 00:13:21,258 How long till those bumps go down? 214 00:13:21,342 --> 00:13:23,635 - They'll go quick. Within a half hour. - Okay. Whoa. 215 00:13:23,719 --> 00:13:25,179 And so we begin. 216 00:13:28,224 --> 00:13:32,519 The ability to go day after day will be brand new for you, I think. 217 00:13:33,604 --> 00:13:35,564 Going to do an injection. 218 00:13:36,690 --> 00:13:37,690 Exciting. 219 00:13:39,151 --> 00:13:42,071 I work with one trainer that does a lot of fitness 220 00:13:42,154 --> 00:13:43,990 as well as nutrition coaching. 221 00:13:44,073 --> 00:13:45,713 Almost there. Come on, Bryan. 222 00:13:45,782 --> 00:13:48,995 We should be able to see a 15 to 20% improvement. 223 00:13:51,038 --> 00:13:52,915 What's your dog's name again? 224 00:13:53,499 --> 00:13:54,708 Vrangei. 225 00:13:54,792 --> 00:13:57,586 Okay. Did you start your program? 226 00:13:57,669 --> 00:13:59,005 I did. 227 00:13:59,088 --> 00:14:01,632 This is my morning pill-popping routine. 228 00:14:03,092 --> 00:14:06,888 And then I prepare the testosterone. 229 00:14:07,972 --> 00:14:10,307 Yes, testosterone propionate. 230 00:14:10,391 --> 00:14:11,433 Yes. 231 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:14,395 It's really thick. 232 00:14:15,354 --> 00:14:18,774 What made you think that Grigory might help me? 233 00:14:19,650 --> 00:14:23,112 Well, it's difficult for me to answer that without... 234 00:14:24,363 --> 00:14:28,367 saying things about Grigory that aren't very kind. 235 00:14:29,826 --> 00:14:32,246 Okay, let me think. 236 00:14:34,706 --> 00:14:37,209 So, you've already did it for two weeks? 237 00:14:37,293 --> 00:14:39,044 He's fucking me. 238 00:14:39,128 --> 00:14:41,797 He's fucking me. 239 00:14:43,257 --> 00:14:46,093 Just pee and collect your urine today. 240 00:14:46,177 --> 00:14:47,844 And drop into the freezer. 241 00:14:47,929 --> 00:14:51,974 So just pee, take some urine and put it in the freezer? 242 00:14:52,058 --> 00:14:53,058 In the freezer. 243 00:14:53,559 --> 00:14:56,938 There's day eight, day ten... 244 00:14:57,771 --> 00:14:58,771 Needle. 245 00:15:03,319 --> 00:15:05,446 The testosterone with the HGH, 246 00:15:05,529 --> 00:15:08,991 it's a weird feeling because it doesn't feel like I'm on anything. 247 00:15:09,783 --> 00:15:12,369 Are you now training? And you feel a little bit stronger? 248 00:15:12,453 --> 00:15:14,788 Yeah, I really felt stronger. 249 00:15:14,871 --> 00:15:16,165 That's good. 250 00:15:16,248 --> 00:15:20,252 Forty milligrams each other day is a very good protocol. 251 00:15:21,462 --> 00:15:25,049 I still had no idea why a WADA lab director 252 00:15:25,132 --> 00:15:27,259 who did all the testing for the Sochi Olympics 253 00:15:27,843 --> 00:15:29,678 would agree to do this, 254 00:15:29,761 --> 00:15:34,766 because his job was supposed to be to catch athletes. 255 00:15:35,726 --> 00:15:38,645 So you want me to do 24,000 units in one month? 256 00:15:38,729 --> 00:15:39,605 Yes. 257 00:15:39,688 --> 00:15:42,024 Fuck, man. That's a lot of EPO. 258 00:15:43,150 --> 00:15:45,777 You have just common fears, and it's paranoia. 259 00:15:45,861 --> 00:15:50,282 We are imitating... We are reproducing Lance Armstrong's scenario. 260 00:15:50,866 --> 00:15:54,620 I'm getting kind of bruises all over my legs. 261 00:15:54,703 --> 00:15:57,664 Don't disturb your thigh at all. Stop it. 262 00:15:57,748 --> 00:16:02,003 You can inject into your thigh muscle, but better to the ass. 263 00:16:02,086 --> 00:16:04,171 Into my ass? 264 00:16:04,255 --> 00:16:05,256 Much more! 265 00:16:05,339 --> 00:16:06,340 Okay. 266 00:16:07,008 --> 00:16:09,093 This is starting to get ridiculous. 267 00:16:09,635 --> 00:16:10,677 Ow! 268 00:16:10,761 --> 00:16:13,847 - Wow! I'm bleeding from that. - Okay. 269 00:16:14,515 --> 00:16:17,268 Oh, fuck, I'm really bleeding from that one, too. 270 00:16:18,102 --> 00:16:19,228 Let me get some alcohol. 271 00:16:21,105 --> 00:16:23,524 Um, okay, so then a half of this one. 272 00:16:29,488 --> 00:16:31,032 Oh, fuck! 273 00:16:34,451 --> 00:16:37,246 Um... 274 00:16:40,582 --> 00:16:41,583 Okay. 275 00:16:43,252 --> 00:16:44,753 So, that's that. 276 00:16:47,297 --> 00:16:50,175 He was like, "You don't do subcutaneous. 277 00:16:50,259 --> 00:16:52,302 You put it right into your ass. 278 00:16:52,386 --> 00:16:55,305 No, we go one inch into buttocks. 279 00:16:55,389 --> 00:16:57,349 Show me that bottle again." 280 00:16:57,974 --> 00:16:59,226 You're kidding me. 281 00:17:01,186 --> 00:17:02,980 Have you seen movie with me? 282 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:04,773 - No. - Separate movie. 283 00:17:04,856 --> 00:17:06,650 - Which movie? - No? 284 00:17:07,443 --> 00:17:08,443 About me. 285 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:13,115 All athletes in Russia are doping. 286 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:19,121 The athletes that are under Mr. Rodchenkov, 287 00:17:19,205 --> 00:17:20,831 they don't get positive tests. 288 00:17:24,251 --> 00:17:28,755 The laboratory was internationally recognized for research. 289 00:17:28,839 --> 00:17:31,120 Its head scientist is considered an outstanding scientist. 290 00:17:31,175 --> 00:17:32,718 Grigory Rodchenkov. 291 00:17:34,010 --> 00:17:36,888 Dr. Rodchenkov is informed about everything. 292 00:17:37,473 --> 00:17:41,060 He knows how long the drugs need to disappear from the body. 293 00:17:41,143 --> 00:17:44,438 He is aware and instructs. He's the most important specialist. 294 00:17:46,398 --> 00:17:49,651 The ARD documentary regarding the Russian whistle-blowers... 295 00:17:50,236 --> 00:17:53,655 what did you think, hearing these allegations? 296 00:17:54,490 --> 00:17:57,409 It was inflammatory enough that they were afraid to run it 297 00:17:58,077 --> 00:18:00,496 while the whistle-blowers were still in Russia. 298 00:18:01,330 --> 00:18:04,291 So they got them out of Russia, ran the program, 299 00:18:04,375 --> 00:18:06,502 and it was a bombshell. 300 00:18:06,585 --> 00:18:10,631 99% of Russian athletes are guilty of doping. 301 00:18:10,714 --> 00:18:14,551 That's according to a recent German documentary aired on ARD. 302 00:18:14,635 --> 00:18:18,347 WADA's president, Craig Reedie, promised an investigation, 303 00:18:18,430 --> 00:18:19,890 effective immediately. 304 00:18:19,973 --> 00:18:22,684 It is wrong just to make any kind of assumption 305 00:18:22,768 --> 00:18:24,561 on allegations in the media. 306 00:18:24,645 --> 00:18:28,690 Athletes must be presumed to be innocent until proven guilty. 307 00:18:28,774 --> 00:18:32,944 These are wild allegations, and we'll have to check them out. 308 00:18:33,820 --> 00:18:35,580 Reedie had to do something. 309 00:18:36,323 --> 00:18:38,950 That's how the Independent Commission was created. 310 00:18:39,868 --> 00:18:44,290 I had investigative experience for a decade and a half, 311 00:18:44,373 --> 00:18:46,792 and some big investigations, 312 00:18:46,875 --> 00:18:50,171 like US Olympic Committees and Major League Baseball. 313 00:18:50,254 --> 00:18:54,258 And Bonds hits one high! It's a ding! 314 00:18:55,801 --> 00:19:00,347 Our mandate was athletics, track and field and Russia. 315 00:19:01,473 --> 00:19:03,976 The WADA chairman named this Independent Commission 316 00:19:04,685 --> 00:19:06,770 and said, "Let's get at it." 317 00:19:07,521 --> 00:19:10,774 The Anti-Doping Agency wants a report by the end of the year, 318 00:19:10,857 --> 00:19:13,277 and athletics officials say they'll cooperate. 319 00:19:13,360 --> 00:19:15,779 It's unclear, though, what actions might be taken. 320 00:19:15,862 --> 00:19:17,156 Thomas Daigle, CBC News. 321 00:19:17,239 --> 00:19:19,408 Is it gonna be okay? Is it gonna pass over? 322 00:19:19,491 --> 00:19:20,617 Is this gonna cause you... 323 00:19:20,701 --> 00:19:22,453 No, no, no. It's growing. 324 00:19:22,536 --> 00:19:23,537 It's growing? 325 00:19:23,620 --> 00:19:25,164 It's like a tornado coming. 326 00:19:27,082 --> 00:19:30,211 Okay, so you are receiving how many units? 327 00:19:32,921 --> 00:19:35,591 Grigory, the Moscow scientist I was showing you, 328 00:19:35,674 --> 00:19:37,050 who did all the testing for Sochi, 329 00:19:37,133 --> 00:19:41,305 who's now at the center of this big Russian doping scandal. 330 00:19:41,388 --> 00:19:43,724 Russia was doping their athletes in the '80s. 331 00:19:43,807 --> 00:19:47,018 - Apparently, they've never stopped. - Really? 332 00:19:47,102 --> 00:19:49,396 The crazy thing is, Richard Pound, 333 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:52,899 the guy who was the head of WADA for 15 years, 334 00:19:52,983 --> 00:19:58,029 has actually been hired to lead the investigation against Grigory. 335 00:19:58,614 --> 00:20:01,825 Um... I don't know what you want me to do with that. 336 00:20:02,409 --> 00:20:03,702 Meaning? 337 00:20:03,785 --> 00:20:07,038 I don't know how... Shit. My computer's about to die. 338 00:20:07,122 --> 00:20:09,040 I don't know how... 339 00:20:10,626 --> 00:20:13,712 - Let me grab my power cord. I'll be back. - Do you have a charger? All right. 340 00:20:15,381 --> 00:20:20,302 There might be someone else out there that might be a better decision or choice. 341 00:20:20,386 --> 00:20:23,930 You're using this guy as your coach. What's your comfort level? 342 00:20:24,014 --> 00:20:27,351 - Here's how I'm looking at it... - You can find someone else. 343 00:20:28,018 --> 00:20:32,481 I guess you call it "doping doctors." I don't know what you would label Grigory. 344 00:20:32,564 --> 00:20:34,691 Is he a biochemist? I don't even know. 345 00:20:35,192 --> 00:20:38,153 It doesn't even matter. I don't like this shit. 346 00:20:38,737 --> 00:20:41,990 Look, there's no finding someone else. 347 00:20:53,252 --> 00:20:54,795 Your numbers look great. 348 00:20:54,878 --> 00:20:57,839 Your testosterone is pretty much right where we want you. 349 00:20:58,340 --> 00:21:02,553 Grigory, what's the typical wash-out for urine to go to negative 350 00:21:02,636 --> 00:21:04,763 from a full treatment of testosterone? 351 00:21:04,846 --> 00:21:07,015 How many days does that take usually? Seven? 352 00:21:07,098 --> 00:21:10,101 For Bryan, two weeks will be nice. 353 00:21:10,185 --> 00:21:12,938 Is there any way that we could test that here in the States, 354 00:21:13,021 --> 00:21:16,107 or it's gotta go back to you to test those frozen urines? 355 00:21:16,191 --> 00:21:19,778 It's the only way. But again, I am under heavy control. 356 00:21:20,362 --> 00:21:23,865 WADA now, they have an inquiry about me. 357 00:21:23,949 --> 00:21:24,866 Yes. 358 00:21:24,950 --> 00:21:28,329 So you see, like, me... I'm a very dangerous person. 359 00:21:29,580 --> 00:21:33,375 How do you think is the best way to basically get that test done? 360 00:21:34,084 --> 00:21:35,502 Maybe, hopefully... 361 00:21:35,586 --> 00:21:38,714 I would like to do this, to come to, maybe, LA, 362 00:21:38,797 --> 00:21:42,301 and to smuggle something to Russia. Some urines from you. 363 00:21:42,843 --> 00:21:44,928 Um... 364 00:21:45,011 --> 00:21:48,307 Could we send 'em to Salt Lake City or another lab? 365 00:21:48,390 --> 00:21:50,559 No, no, no. It's strictly prohibited. 366 00:22:00,819 --> 00:22:03,822 You are so skinny! 367 00:22:04,823 --> 00:22:05,824 You're skinny. 368 00:22:05,907 --> 00:22:06,907 No! 369 00:22:08,452 --> 00:22:11,163 All the urine in my freezer, we have to unfreeze it? 370 00:22:11,246 --> 00:22:13,665 Yes, we unfreeze, then we homogenize 371 00:22:13,749 --> 00:22:15,751 to make sure everything is melted. 372 00:22:16,377 --> 00:22:20,339 I took special bottles for smuggling urine, and... 373 00:22:21,047 --> 00:22:24,175 we will make a scenario like I am collecting my urine. 374 00:22:24,259 --> 00:22:26,344 "Grigory one, morning." 375 00:22:26,428 --> 00:22:28,847 "Evening, 28th. Grigory two." 376 00:22:28,930 --> 00:22:31,057 Then we recode them. 377 00:22:32,267 --> 00:22:33,268 Perfect. 378 00:22:33,351 --> 00:22:35,437 Otherwise, what is the source of the urine and why? 379 00:22:35,521 --> 00:22:36,522 Right. 380 00:22:36,605 --> 00:22:38,524 The goal during this two-to three-week period 381 00:22:38,607 --> 00:22:42,235 is to push you to an extreme on a chronic level, not just acute. 382 00:22:43,278 --> 00:22:44,613 - Okay, we... - Max! 383 00:22:44,696 --> 00:22:46,156 He loves me. 384 00:22:46,239 --> 00:22:47,365 Yeah. Max... 385 00:22:47,449 --> 00:22:49,242 No, no, don't kick Max. It's okay. 386 00:22:49,325 --> 00:22:52,287 - Max, go away. Out. - No, no, no. 387 00:22:53,163 --> 00:22:54,915 It's not good time. 388 00:22:54,998 --> 00:22:56,875 Later. 389 00:23:00,587 --> 00:23:04,925 A fifteen-second acceleration whenever you want. Good. 390 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:08,386 We need girls, cheerleaders. 391 00:23:08,470 --> 00:23:12,766 Right? Exactly. Maybe we should get you some pom-poms. 392 00:23:13,475 --> 00:23:14,851 - And like this... - Right. 393 00:23:15,894 --> 00:23:20,607 I was working here in 1989, when Catlin was in big power. 394 00:23:20,691 --> 00:23:24,027 Laboratory was located in UCLA. The campus. 395 00:23:24,903 --> 00:23:28,615 Twenty years ago, we had decided to develop a way to get 396 00:23:28,699 --> 00:23:32,410 actually friendly with what was then the Soviets. 397 00:23:32,494 --> 00:23:36,873 We, the US, would invite Soviets to come to the US 398 00:23:36,957 --> 00:23:40,251 and pick and choose athletes that they wanted to test, 399 00:23:40,335 --> 00:23:44,297 bring 'em in and test them where the Soviets were watching. 400 00:23:44,798 --> 00:23:48,093 Grigory was the first representative. 401 00:23:49,094 --> 00:23:53,432 He shows up at the second day of work in bright orange shorts 402 00:23:53,515 --> 00:23:58,812 and announces that he's gonna enter the Santa Monica Marathon. 403 00:23:58,895 --> 00:24:00,897 And he won the darn thing. 404 00:24:02,023 --> 00:24:03,358 He's a good athlete. 405 00:24:04,651 --> 00:24:07,403 I was almost a professional in running. 406 00:24:07,488 --> 00:24:11,533 1,500 meters and five kilometers at Moscow University. 407 00:24:12,242 --> 00:24:15,954 My mother always pushed me to swim, to ski. 408 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:20,000 I realized that some people are using something. 409 00:24:20,083 --> 00:24:24,004 Last year, he was nobody. Next year, he has muscles. 410 00:24:24,671 --> 00:24:27,883 Of course, I also started to use the best of the best, 411 00:24:28,467 --> 00:24:29,468 stanozolol. 412 00:24:31,136 --> 00:24:33,346 And all injections were done by my mother. 413 00:24:33,930 --> 00:24:37,267 And, of course, it was 50 milligrams, this simple thing. 414 00:24:37,350 --> 00:24:40,228 Wait, wait. Your mother injected you? 415 00:24:41,021 --> 00:24:42,021 Yes, of course. 416 00:24:44,065 --> 00:24:47,736 But if you are not national team level, like Olympic, 417 00:24:47,819 --> 00:24:50,614 you cannot afford any more training camp. 418 00:24:51,656 --> 00:24:55,327 So, I graduated to Moscow University, to the chemical department. 419 00:24:56,411 --> 00:24:59,080 I liked doping control. I liked sports. 420 00:24:59,164 --> 00:25:04,377 And since 1985, I worked in the top field of laboratories in the world. 421 00:25:06,212 --> 00:25:09,424 And then, Moscow laboratory was doing mistake by mistake. 422 00:25:09,507 --> 00:25:12,803 "We need a new director, and it will be upheld by WADA." 423 00:25:14,012 --> 00:25:15,806 That's how I became director. 424 00:25:22,395 --> 00:25:25,231 Should I be taking the HGH and the testosterone now? 425 00:25:25,315 --> 00:25:26,955 Let's look at your protocol. 426 00:25:27,568 --> 00:25:30,946 I have to sketch all schematics, starting from the new year. 427 00:25:31,029 --> 00:25:32,829 - We'll sit down with a piece of paper. - Yes. 428 00:25:32,906 --> 00:25:35,491 With the piss and then with the tubes. 429 00:25:36,117 --> 00:25:37,869 We take just a fraction. 430 00:25:38,369 --> 00:25:41,289 And then it will be coded and took for analysis. 431 00:25:41,873 --> 00:25:45,001 So, here's day one. Okay? Here's day two. 432 00:25:46,002 --> 00:25:48,463 Here's day three, day four, day five. 433 00:25:48,546 --> 00:25:50,465 Seven, eight, nine. 434 00:25:51,633 --> 00:25:53,802 We have nine urines. Okay. 435 00:25:54,302 --> 00:25:56,763 - So we are starting... - And that one, I just took. 436 00:25:56,847 --> 00:25:58,974 Is that enough? Or do I need any more? 437 00:25:59,057 --> 00:26:00,058 It's okay. 438 00:26:00,141 --> 00:26:01,142 Okay. 439 00:26:01,768 --> 00:26:04,646 - Three, three, three. - I hear you got the real code. 440 00:26:04,730 --> 00:26:05,856 I am mafia. 441 00:26:06,982 --> 00:26:08,233 This is mafia. 442 00:26:12,570 --> 00:26:13,697 Chased by WADA. 443 00:26:15,406 --> 00:26:19,535 Could you imagine, the best laboratory will be puzzled with your piss? 444 00:26:20,328 --> 00:26:22,789 In Russia, the empire of evil. 445 00:26:23,456 --> 00:26:24,457 Propaganda. 446 00:26:27,377 --> 00:26:29,379 - Fantastic. - Oh, God. What is that? 447 00:26:29,462 --> 00:26:31,006 It's flakes. Your flakes. 448 00:26:31,089 --> 00:26:33,466 What is that? What is that? 449 00:26:34,175 --> 00:26:35,594 Your sins. 450 00:26:45,395 --> 00:26:46,730 And on the top. 451 00:27:03,288 --> 00:27:06,917 When I come to Moscow in September, after the race, I can drink. 452 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,920 Okay, next time. Next time, if I survive. 453 00:27:14,758 --> 00:27:21,348 At my lab, WADA is keeping laboratory on a very short leash. Leash? 454 00:27:21,431 --> 00:27:23,266 Asking many questions. 455 00:27:23,975 --> 00:27:25,560 All sort of bullshit. 456 00:27:26,602 --> 00:27:28,354 Like, "Where is your... 457 00:27:29,647 --> 00:27:32,984 underground laboratory for pre-testing? 458 00:27:33,068 --> 00:27:36,154 Where is the shadow laboratory?" 459 00:27:37,572 --> 00:27:40,867 Of course, my laboratory is fully under... 460 00:27:41,743 --> 00:27:45,121 cameras and everything, computers, barcodes... 461 00:27:45,830 --> 00:27:47,666 But they were looking for something. 462 00:27:47,916 --> 00:27:50,794 - Like a secret lab? - Yes, yes, yes, yes, underground. 463 00:27:50,877 --> 00:27:52,963 - Batman? - Yes, yes. 464 00:27:53,671 --> 00:27:55,673 Who owns the lab? 465 00:27:57,175 --> 00:27:58,509 - The state. - The state does? 466 00:27:58,593 --> 00:27:59,594 Yes. 467 00:28:00,178 --> 00:28:02,222 Okay, we have Terminal One, departing flight. 468 00:28:02,931 --> 00:28:06,101 - Yeah. - ♪ I am a woman in love ♪ 469 00:28:10,814 --> 00:28:13,066 Keep it. It's my donation. 470 00:28:13,817 --> 00:28:15,276 - No, no, no! - No, no, no. 471 00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:16,486 I have a lot, you see. 472 00:28:16,569 --> 00:28:20,490 All people are presenting me with pens, so I have full collection. 473 00:28:21,074 --> 00:28:22,826 - Remember me. - I will. 474 00:28:22,909 --> 00:28:26,079 - So I'm gonna see you... - So, so, so nice with you. 475 00:28:26,162 --> 00:28:27,748 - Grigory, thanks for coming. - Yes. 476 00:28:27,831 --> 00:28:30,083 Be very careful with what you are recording. 477 00:28:30,166 --> 00:28:33,378 It's not permitted. It's like pornography and erotics. 478 00:28:34,295 --> 00:28:35,797 Sports pornography and erotics. 479 00:28:35,881 --> 00:28:38,216 Now we are... 480 00:28:38,299 --> 00:28:40,343 And I see you, uh, in September. 481 00:28:41,010 --> 00:28:42,262 Yes, definitely. 482 00:28:47,559 --> 00:28:48,935 Did you go to Moscow? 483 00:28:49,436 --> 00:28:51,354 No, I did not, and Dick Pound did not. 484 00:28:51,938 --> 00:28:57,485 We wanted to send an investigative group of WADA specialists into the Moscow lab. 485 00:28:58,111 --> 00:29:01,740 The director of the lab, he was the last fail-safe position, right? 486 00:29:01,823 --> 00:29:04,034 If there is a sample that's potentially positive, 487 00:29:04,117 --> 00:29:06,077 where can you stop it from being reported? 488 00:29:06,161 --> 00:29:07,161 In the lab. 489 00:29:07,620 --> 00:29:11,249 So he was interviewed. Didn't provide us with much information. 490 00:29:12,751 --> 00:29:16,504 Please tell me all my frozen piss didn't explode in your bag. 491 00:29:18,589 --> 00:29:20,258 But this is big secret. 492 00:29:20,926 --> 00:29:23,094 Bryan, I have all urines. 493 00:29:23,178 --> 00:29:25,596 We analyzed urines for your steroid profile. 494 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,723 Everything is kept frozen. 495 00:29:27,808 --> 00:29:31,311 - I have a full agenda, so don't worry. - Okay. 496 00:29:35,148 --> 00:29:38,443 We did preliminary tests, but not much. 497 00:29:39,027 --> 00:29:40,904 When WADA will leave... 498 00:29:40,987 --> 00:29:43,073 They are leaving tomorrow night. 499 00:29:43,156 --> 00:29:45,992 Then maybe Friday, or maybe Monday, anyway... 500 00:29:46,076 --> 00:29:48,203 WADA's there bothering you? 501 00:29:48,286 --> 00:29:49,913 It's much more challenging. 502 00:29:49,996 --> 00:29:52,999 WADA is sniffing and asking tons of questions. 503 00:29:53,583 --> 00:29:55,627 - Dick Pound... You know, Dick Pound? - Yes 504 00:29:55,710 --> 00:29:59,630 He's starting to understand it's very difficult to prove something. 505 00:29:59,714 --> 00:30:02,633 What do you see the outcome or the solution as? 506 00:30:03,218 --> 00:30:04,427 We will see. 507 00:30:04,970 --> 00:30:06,972 You just focus on racing. 508 00:30:13,603 --> 00:30:15,981 Keep digging, keep digging. Keep digging, come on. 509 00:30:16,064 --> 00:30:18,900 Come on, you got it. Come on. Four, two, one. 510 00:30:18,984 --> 00:30:20,318 Taking it down. Taking it down. 511 00:30:21,652 --> 00:30:23,613 This is already better than last time. 512 00:30:25,866 --> 00:30:31,037 Last year, 250 watts. This year, 349. It's 100 watts. 513 00:30:31,830 --> 00:30:36,376 My power right now is 20% more than I had last year. 514 00:30:36,459 --> 00:30:40,505 Yes, yes, finally you have some gains. Some gain, some progression. 515 00:30:40,588 --> 00:30:42,340 I can't wait to come to Moscow. 516 00:30:42,423 --> 00:30:44,384 Bryan, it will be fantastic. 517 00:30:45,635 --> 00:30:48,888 I shouldn't bring any EPO with me to Europe, right? 518 00:30:48,972 --> 00:30:50,292 - No. - Okay. 519 00:30:50,348 --> 00:30:53,101 You complete everything until 17th. 520 00:30:53,184 --> 00:30:55,895 - The last injection is on US soil. - Okay. 521 00:30:55,979 --> 00:30:58,231 Before passing the border and the customs. 522 00:30:58,314 --> 00:31:00,566 Then you're taking urine with you to me, 523 00:31:00,650 --> 00:31:02,903 and we'll complete your biological passport. 524 00:31:03,528 --> 00:31:04,737 That's it. 525 00:31:07,198 --> 00:31:10,076 Words cannot describe what you'll be living through this week. 526 00:31:10,159 --> 00:31:13,288 Your body's gonna shut down. It's gonna break down entirely. 527 00:31:15,331 --> 00:31:17,833 We are on the French Cycling Federation calendar, 528 00:31:17,918 --> 00:31:20,253 and we do have an anti-doping policy. 529 00:31:20,336 --> 00:31:24,174 As far as testing for PEDs, the race says that they do. 530 00:31:24,257 --> 00:31:26,509 They may come and test, just so you're aware. 531 00:31:26,593 --> 00:31:29,470 As I came to learn, they don't. 532 00:31:30,221 --> 00:31:32,849 - Don't worry. - But I had Grigory. 533 00:31:33,808 --> 00:31:35,435 He had helped me dope, 534 00:31:35,518 --> 00:31:40,690 and he was gonna test my samples through his WADA lab in Moscow. 535 00:31:40,773 --> 00:31:42,483 So, be clever. 536 00:31:42,567 --> 00:31:46,321 I have not done a urine sample since I've been here. 537 00:31:46,988 --> 00:31:48,489 You are like a pioneer. 538 00:31:49,490 --> 00:31:51,910 So I'm gonna pee in this little bag here. 539 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,162 You are a victim of your ideas. 540 00:31:55,621 --> 00:31:58,458 August 21st. 541 00:31:58,541 --> 00:32:01,753 See you at the end. And good luck tomorrow. 542 00:32:02,670 --> 00:32:04,714 Start time tomorrow morning, 7:15. 543 00:32:04,797 --> 00:32:07,008 - Right here. - I am like a priest. 544 00:32:08,384 --> 00:32:10,595 I am healing your doping paranoia. 545 00:32:13,598 --> 00:32:16,643 You are free. You have enough power, and God is with you. 546 00:32:18,436 --> 00:32:20,146 You are sentenced to win. 547 00:32:21,897 --> 00:32:25,068 So the scheme was now in place. 548 00:32:28,071 --> 00:32:29,655 Raise your arms! 549 00:32:29,739 --> 00:32:32,575 Are you ready? 550 00:32:33,701 --> 00:32:34,953 Start! 551 00:32:55,556 --> 00:32:56,932 Ninety, ninety. That's it. 552 00:33:06,317 --> 00:33:09,153 Pouly! 553 00:33:17,162 --> 00:33:18,288 You did great. 554 00:33:18,371 --> 00:33:20,057 You were three and a half minutes behind Pouly. 555 00:33:20,081 --> 00:33:22,161 - That's not bad. - No, that's fucking great. 556 00:33:22,708 --> 00:33:24,710 You guys were hauling ass. 557 00:33:35,513 --> 00:33:39,309 Bryan's in that group data. He's in there with the top ten guys. 558 00:33:40,601 --> 00:33:43,313 All the guys in the top ten are incredible. 559 00:33:43,396 --> 00:33:44,647 Very good. 560 00:33:44,730 --> 00:33:46,066 They could be pro. 561 00:33:48,192 --> 00:33:49,986 You are a monster. 562 00:33:50,486 --> 00:33:52,280 Medium-sized monster. 563 00:33:58,453 --> 00:34:00,205 Bryan Fogel, can you hear me? 564 00:34:03,583 --> 00:34:07,378 Can't raise him on the walkie-talkie. Bryan, come back. 565 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:12,967 - Bryan! - Yeah? 566 00:34:15,178 --> 00:34:16,512 It has to be charged. 567 00:34:17,722 --> 00:34:19,974 The battery's dead. It needed to be charged. 568 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,894 Now it won't go up. You see? Dead. It's totally dead. 569 00:34:25,730 --> 00:34:26,856 Fuck! 570 00:34:28,608 --> 00:34:31,778 My derailleur, my shifting, it broke. 571 00:34:32,445 --> 00:34:33,685 - Your bike? - Yes. 572 00:34:35,698 --> 00:34:38,368 You cannot shift your gears? 573 00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:40,703 For 100 kilometers. 574 00:34:42,538 --> 00:34:43,748 My goodness. 575 00:34:46,084 --> 00:34:49,754 - I dropped ten places in the rankings. - Okay. Hmm. 576 00:34:51,506 --> 00:34:52,507 My God. 577 00:34:54,300 --> 00:34:57,762 I feel that I'm really stronger this year. 578 00:34:57,845 --> 00:35:00,265 - Like, that I'm recovering. - Yeah. 579 00:35:00,348 --> 00:35:03,058 I mean, I'm hauling ass, but they're... 580 00:35:03,143 --> 00:35:05,603 I'm not beating 'em. They're in a different... 581 00:35:05,686 --> 00:35:09,857 There's guys that I don't know that you could've beat on your best day. 582 00:35:15,196 --> 00:35:17,406 My whole plan was 583 00:35:17,490 --> 00:35:21,119 to have a substantially better performance this year. 584 00:35:22,412 --> 00:35:23,579 And... 585 00:35:24,955 --> 00:35:25,998 I'm not. 586 00:35:27,333 --> 00:35:29,377 Did you just get separated or what? 587 00:35:29,460 --> 00:35:30,753 Neutral descent now? 588 00:35:32,046 --> 00:35:35,383 Does it hurt that you did better last year than you did this year? 589 00:35:37,593 --> 00:35:41,013 I mean, I could have been 21 years old 590 00:35:41,096 --> 00:35:43,933 and taken all the blood bags and EPO in the world, 591 00:35:44,016 --> 00:35:47,687 and I was still not going to be a Tour de France champion. 592 00:35:47,770 --> 00:35:49,689 It doesn't matter. 593 00:35:54,109 --> 00:35:56,279 Just stay optimistic. 594 00:35:57,530 --> 00:36:00,325 Because now, we can change nothing. 595 00:36:06,831 --> 00:36:10,042 The winner, Peter Pouly. 596 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:16,632 - I felt pretty good. I just had... - No, no, no. 597 00:36:16,716 --> 00:36:18,384 I've just had some bad luck days. 598 00:36:18,467 --> 00:36:19,760 Bryan, look at me. 599 00:36:21,262 --> 00:36:22,430 Stop it. 600 00:36:23,764 --> 00:36:25,850 You are what you are. I am what I am. 601 00:36:28,644 --> 00:36:30,897 It's a turning point, what we are doing. 602 00:36:32,523 --> 00:36:36,236 You should be happy that we have such fantastic material. 603 00:36:36,819 --> 00:36:42,658 We have ten times more information than Dick Pound and Armstrong together. 604 00:36:43,284 --> 00:36:45,244 - Really? - We will continue. Don't worry. 605 00:36:45,286 --> 00:36:49,249 You are just like in the reception. You did not enter the first floor. 606 00:36:49,332 --> 00:36:51,459 Then there is a second and so on. 607 00:36:52,543 --> 00:36:54,420 What's on the second floor? 608 00:36:54,921 --> 00:36:57,131 When you go to Moscow, you will see. 609 00:37:12,062 --> 00:37:13,606 So cool. 610 00:37:14,274 --> 00:37:17,277 How many tests... I've probably had 15 or 20 blood tests. 611 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,445 - It's more than enough. - Okay. 612 00:37:20,446 --> 00:37:22,531 - Is this the laboratory? - Yes. 613 00:37:23,616 --> 00:37:26,035 Oh, you see, this is bloody RUSADA. 614 00:37:26,118 --> 00:37:30,498 Bringing samples, it's not too good to show our camera to them. 615 00:37:30,581 --> 00:37:33,251 - Oh. You want us to hide? - Yes, yes, yes. 616 00:37:33,334 --> 00:37:34,585 Okay. 617 00:37:34,669 --> 00:37:36,879 Be very careful with all your material. 618 00:37:36,963 --> 00:37:39,590 - People are very sensitive also, you know. - Yes. 619 00:37:41,133 --> 00:37:43,303 This is my director place. 620 00:37:43,928 --> 00:37:46,514 It's the most famous laboratory in the world. 621 00:37:49,267 --> 00:37:53,479 We cannot say explicitly that you have been analyzed. 622 00:37:53,563 --> 00:37:56,857 It's coming. I already solved everything yesterday. 623 00:37:56,941 --> 00:38:01,195 You will have it until, let's say... Within two weeks, we will do this. 624 00:38:01,279 --> 00:38:04,574 But it should be done still, say, under the table, not... 625 00:38:05,074 --> 00:38:06,867 - Okay. - Okay. 626 00:38:07,827 --> 00:38:12,290 Smile. Your race is over. We have to go downstairs. 627 00:38:16,877 --> 00:38:18,838 Are there scientists, 628 00:38:18,921 --> 00:38:22,007 or those working in WADA laboratories today, 629 00:38:22,091 --> 00:38:25,345 that you suspect could have been corrupted? 630 00:38:25,428 --> 00:38:27,448 Each director of laboratory, like me... 631 00:38:27,472 --> 00:38:29,515 I have to sign a code of ethics, 632 00:38:29,599 --> 00:38:32,435 that what we are doing is not harmful or detrimental 633 00:38:32,518 --> 00:38:34,854 to the whole anti-doping society. 634 00:38:38,107 --> 00:38:42,027 We go down this emergency exit. 635 00:38:49,243 --> 00:38:51,161 What did Russia have to do 636 00:38:51,245 --> 00:38:56,041 with the hiding blood passports of all the athletes? 637 00:38:56,125 --> 00:38:58,043 Let's talk in my office. 638 00:39:01,047 --> 00:39:04,967 If you hide fight against doping, you cannot be 50% honest. 639 00:39:05,051 --> 00:39:09,013 You have to be honest, or you have to hide the ends. 640 00:39:09,096 --> 00:39:11,807 It's the same as Orwell, 1984. 641 00:39:12,391 --> 00:39:15,102 WADA is like a religion, and you cannot escape. 642 00:39:15,686 --> 00:39:18,981 You have to think about money, but you cannot steal money. 643 00:39:19,064 --> 00:39:21,233 You have to think about women, 644 00:39:21,316 --> 00:39:24,194 but you have to be married and don't go to prostitution. 645 00:39:24,278 --> 00:39:25,279 But again... 646 00:39:25,988 --> 00:39:30,200 almost everybody has some period when they were sinners. 647 00:39:30,284 --> 00:39:31,369 So what to do? 648 00:39:32,036 --> 00:39:33,413 There is no answer. 649 00:39:35,330 --> 00:39:39,919 For the last five months, I took urine and then I did blood... 650 00:39:40,002 --> 00:39:41,796 Yes, we have a good database. 651 00:39:43,130 --> 00:39:47,718 How do we go about the analysis? What do we wanna show? 652 00:39:47,802 --> 00:39:51,180 How do we put together 653 00:39:51,263 --> 00:39:54,183 - the bigger story arc? - Bryan, be optimistic. 654 00:39:54,266 --> 00:39:56,101 Smile. 655 00:39:57,937 --> 00:39:59,313 I have vodka for you. 656 00:39:59,397 --> 00:40:01,482 - You do? - Yes. 657 00:40:02,066 --> 00:40:04,359 - The best vodka. - What kind? 658 00:40:04,444 --> 00:40:05,778 From Mordovia. 659 00:40:05,861 --> 00:40:07,321 - Oh, awesome! - You do drink vodka? 660 00:40:07,405 --> 00:40:10,282 - Yeah, I like vodka. - You like... I have vodka for you. 661 00:40:10,365 --> 00:40:14,203 I've decided I'm not gonna leave Russia. I'm gonna stay here. 662 00:40:14,286 --> 00:40:15,663 You would like to stay? 663 00:40:15,746 --> 00:40:19,709 Russia is the most relaxing country in the world. 664 00:40:19,792 --> 00:40:20,918 You think? 665 00:40:21,001 --> 00:40:23,504 No. 666 00:40:31,596 --> 00:40:32,763 You having fun? 667 00:40:33,681 --> 00:40:34,682 Yes, we have fun! 668 00:40:35,683 --> 00:40:36,684 Smile. 669 00:40:43,691 --> 00:40:44,692 Bryan! 670 00:41:15,180 --> 00:41:19,393 Ladies and gentlemen, members of the media, welcome to Geneva. 671 00:41:20,185 --> 00:41:23,272 Almost a year ago, very serious doping allegations 672 00:41:23,355 --> 00:41:26,484 were first raised on German television channel ARD. 673 00:41:27,234 --> 00:41:29,403 The WADA president, Sir Craig Reedie, 674 00:41:29,487 --> 00:41:32,948 announced that a full and thorough inquiry would be conducted. 675 00:41:33,699 --> 00:41:36,911 The founding president of the World Anti-Doping Agency, 676 00:41:36,994 --> 00:41:39,664 Mr. Dick Pound, the chair of that commission. 677 00:41:41,373 --> 00:41:46,921 Overwhelming portions of the allegations made on the ARD program 678 00:41:47,004 --> 00:41:51,133 have been found by the Independent Commission to be true. 679 00:41:51,217 --> 00:41:54,136 It's worse than we thought. We have found cover-ups. 680 00:41:54,220 --> 00:41:57,431 We found destruction of samples in the laboratories. 681 00:41:58,348 --> 00:42:03,187 We found payments of money in order to conceal doping tests... 682 00:42:04,271 --> 00:42:05,272 among others. 683 00:42:05,981 --> 00:42:09,735 Our conclusion was that all of this could not have happened, 684 00:42:09,818 --> 00:42:12,404 and continue to happen, without the knowledge of 685 00:42:12,488 --> 00:42:17,159 and either actual or implied consent of the state authorities. 686 00:42:17,243 --> 00:42:18,494 You reading this? 687 00:42:18,994 --> 00:42:22,206 Forty pages of this report is Grigory. 688 00:42:22,998 --> 00:42:25,417 It's hard to imagine 689 00:42:25,500 --> 00:42:29,964 what the Russian state interest in athletes' urine would be. 690 00:42:30,047 --> 00:42:35,219 One of our big concerns about tests were the 1,400 that were destroyed 691 00:42:35,302 --> 00:42:37,930 by the director of the Moscow laboratory. 692 00:42:38,597 --> 00:42:42,142 In fact, our recommendation is the director of the laboratory 693 00:42:42,226 --> 00:42:46,521 be removed from his position, that the WADA accreditation be withdrawn, 694 00:42:46,606 --> 00:42:48,941 and the Russian Federation be suspended. 695 00:42:53,278 --> 00:42:55,114 - Bryan, hi. - Hi. 696 00:42:57,074 --> 00:42:58,283 Where did Grigory go? 697 00:42:58,367 --> 00:42:59,534 I've been crying. 698 00:43:00,244 --> 00:43:01,704 Yes, I am with him, 699 00:43:01,787 --> 00:43:04,289 and I think maybe you want to speak with him. 700 00:43:04,373 --> 00:43:06,166 Maybe he's a little bit nervous. 701 00:43:07,918 --> 00:43:09,670 - I'm so sorry. - Bryan. 702 00:43:09,754 --> 00:43:14,049 I'm not... I'm sorry. I'm trying to understand what you're saying. 703 00:43:14,133 --> 00:43:18,428 I'm absolutely saying that we will overturn all this bullshit, 704 00:43:18,512 --> 00:43:20,430 and it will be upside down. 705 00:43:20,514 --> 00:43:23,267 So, Bryan, I hardly could talk to you tonight. 706 00:43:25,394 --> 00:43:26,687 The details are damning 707 00:43:26,771 --> 00:43:29,899 and could have a profound impact on the future of Russian athletics. 708 00:43:29,982 --> 00:43:32,902 This WADA commission has accused Russian athletics 709 00:43:32,985 --> 00:43:35,279 of state-sponsored doping. 710 00:43:39,408 --> 00:43:45,289 We are preparing our response to again provide any explanation needed. 711 00:43:45,372 --> 00:43:48,042 That's all I can say at this point. 712 00:43:48,709 --> 00:43:52,379 Does this mean they could potentially miss next year's Olympics? 713 00:43:52,462 --> 00:43:55,174 Well, that is certainly one of the potential outcomes here. 714 00:43:55,257 --> 00:43:58,803 The International Olympic Committee have released a statement. 715 00:43:58,886 --> 00:44:03,015 You will see athletes being sanctioned by the IAAF. 716 00:44:03,098 --> 00:44:07,477 You will see athletes and officials being excluded. 717 00:44:07,561 --> 00:44:11,816 And you will see an action led by the IOC. 718 00:44:11,899 --> 00:44:14,902 We'll apply this zero-tolerance policy. 719 00:44:15,569 --> 00:44:18,030 Decision time for the IAAF 720 00:44:18,113 --> 00:44:20,407 on whether Russia's track and field athletes 721 00:44:20,490 --> 00:44:23,327 will be allowed to compete at the Rio Olympics. 722 00:44:23,828 --> 00:44:27,081 I want to hear what the Athletics Federation of Russia 723 00:44:27,164 --> 00:44:29,583 is actually saying in answer to those allegations. 724 00:44:29,667 --> 00:44:32,753 The Sports Minister, Vitaly Mutko, has said, 725 00:44:32,837 --> 00:44:36,924 "Russia took all the necessary measures," he says, "to fight the doping problem. 726 00:44:37,007 --> 00:44:38,759 Moscow's anti-doping lab 727 00:44:38,843 --> 00:44:41,887 was recently recognized as one of the best in the world." 728 00:44:44,598 --> 00:44:46,141 You don't want to talk to us? 729 00:44:46,225 --> 00:44:50,771 Well, the employees at this lab are clearly being very tight-lipped, 730 00:44:50,855 --> 00:44:54,608 but the report from the World Anti-Doping Agency 731 00:44:54,691 --> 00:44:56,235 goes into great detail 732 00:44:56,318 --> 00:44:59,654 describing the alleged activities inside that building. 733 00:45:00,865 --> 00:45:02,867 There are around 50 correspondents 734 00:45:02,950 --> 00:45:05,786 behind my fence, but I am here. 735 00:45:05,870 --> 00:45:07,662 And I am not supposed to talk. 736 00:45:09,039 --> 00:45:10,415 Bryan, stay quiet. 737 00:45:10,958 --> 00:45:14,754 You're a lucky man. Only you, knowing me. 738 00:45:17,547 --> 00:45:18,799 Holy shit. 739 00:45:20,008 --> 00:45:26,557 The World Anti-Doping Agency suspended Russia's sports drug-testing lab, 740 00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:28,725 and the head of the lab resigned. 741 00:45:35,274 --> 00:45:37,943 Grisha, be careful what you tell him now. 742 00:45:38,027 --> 00:45:40,029 Don't tell me. I am just... 743 00:45:40,112 --> 00:45:42,197 They're holding on the phone for you. 744 00:45:42,281 --> 00:45:45,201 - Tell them I'll call back... - It sounds serious. 745 00:45:45,284 --> 00:45:47,119 I'll call back in five minutes! 746 00:45:47,870 --> 00:45:51,123 - Okay, but will you? - Yes, go away! 747 00:45:51,832 --> 00:45:52,833 Fine. 748 00:45:53,333 --> 00:45:54,376 Bryan... 749 00:45:55,419 --> 00:45:56,921 It's a disaster. 750 00:45:57,004 --> 00:45:58,505 They're just killing people. 751 00:45:58,588 --> 00:46:01,383 Cutting heads, you know, without who is guilty. 752 00:46:01,466 --> 00:46:04,219 Yesterday, you know, I went to Minister Mutko, 753 00:46:04,303 --> 00:46:06,138 and we started to discuss. 754 00:46:06,221 --> 00:46:09,349 He was talking, blah, blah, blah, about football. 755 00:46:09,433 --> 00:46:12,269 Uh, blah, blah, blah, about Formula 1. 756 00:46:13,187 --> 00:46:15,815 Then to say what to do with bloody doping. 757 00:46:15,898 --> 00:46:18,901 But he say, "Could you resign?" I go, "Yes." 758 00:46:19,776 --> 00:46:22,321 "Today?" "Yes, today." 759 00:46:23,113 --> 00:46:24,198 And I resigned. 760 00:46:25,240 --> 00:46:26,241 And... 761 00:46:27,076 --> 00:46:28,618 they lost director. 762 00:46:28,702 --> 00:46:31,830 I have a lot of calls, but I'm just changing my telephones. 763 00:46:31,914 --> 00:46:37,294 People are looking for their job, but laboratory is almost empty. 764 00:46:37,377 --> 00:46:38,377 Empty. 765 00:46:38,838 --> 00:46:41,173 I don't know what's going on. 766 00:46:41,256 --> 00:46:44,510 I just know what I'm reading in the newspaper and in the press and... 767 00:46:44,593 --> 00:46:45,719 You know. 768 00:46:45,802 --> 00:46:47,179 Oh, really? Really? 769 00:46:47,888 --> 00:46:50,807 I mean, will they come after you? 770 00:46:50,891 --> 00:46:53,185 Are they gonna arrest you? Are they gonna... 771 00:46:53,685 --> 00:46:55,770 Would they try to put you in jail? 772 00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:57,898 In jail? No. 773 00:46:57,982 --> 00:46:59,566 What is the reason for jail? 774 00:46:59,649 --> 00:47:00,567 - You know. - No. 775 00:47:00,650 --> 00:47:02,527 Are you in any danger? 776 00:47:04,363 --> 00:47:08,242 Yes, but not jail. It could be some... I don't know. 777 00:47:10,202 --> 00:47:12,371 - I mean... - Do you know that I am now moving 778 00:47:12,454 --> 00:47:13,914 with a security man? 779 00:47:13,998 --> 00:47:15,249 Security guard. 780 00:47:15,332 --> 00:47:16,332 No. 781 00:47:16,833 --> 00:47:19,003 Just a security guard in my home. 782 00:47:19,086 --> 00:47:20,921 - In your home? - Coming to my car. 783 00:47:21,005 --> 00:47:22,297 I'm following behind. 784 00:47:23,257 --> 00:47:25,634 It's recommended until the end of the week, 785 00:47:25,717 --> 00:47:28,470 because I am the only man who can kill both sides. 786 00:47:28,553 --> 00:47:29,930 Russia and WADA, so... 787 00:47:30,014 --> 00:47:31,765 Stay quiet. 788 00:47:33,225 --> 00:47:34,905 Let me say this. 789 00:47:34,977 --> 00:47:39,023 In reality, the Independent Commission's report 790 00:47:39,106 --> 00:47:42,943 and statements made by Mr. Pound are exaggerated. 791 00:47:43,027 --> 00:47:46,196 We've even built a modern, state-of-the-art anti-doping laboratory 792 00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:49,616 that is renowned for its testing 793 00:47:49,699 --> 00:47:54,746 for the Olympics, Paralympics, championships and more, 794 00:47:54,829 --> 00:47:57,666 and received the highest merits for its contributions. 795 00:47:57,749 --> 00:48:00,460 The government is merely financing the laboratory operation. 796 00:48:00,544 --> 00:48:03,672 They don't accept this Independent Commission at all. 797 00:48:05,007 --> 00:48:06,550 They're deliberately lying. 798 00:48:07,384 --> 00:48:08,510 Bryan, Bryan... 799 00:48:09,177 --> 00:48:10,637 - look at me. - Okay. 800 00:48:11,388 --> 00:48:15,142 It means I could be tossed under the bus anytime. 801 00:48:15,935 --> 00:48:18,895 I'm not sure that we are connecting freely. 802 00:48:18,979 --> 00:48:21,773 Because now we are on radar, that's for sure. 803 00:48:23,358 --> 00:48:24,401 You know Snowden? 804 00:48:25,069 --> 00:48:26,111 Yeah, of course. 805 00:48:26,861 --> 00:48:29,364 Now you see. 806 00:48:30,532 --> 00:48:32,742 We still don't know... We still don't know 807 00:48:32,826 --> 00:48:36,080 whether Russia is participating in Olympic Games or not. 808 00:48:36,580 --> 00:48:41,084 The outcome, why I am very much cautious about my life... 809 00:48:41,918 --> 00:48:45,547 If me will be purged... 810 00:48:46,256 --> 00:48:48,175 okay, Russia will go to the Olympics. 811 00:48:48,717 --> 00:48:51,511 The problem is to survive. 812 00:48:51,595 --> 00:48:53,347 - Listen, I, uh... - Yes. 813 00:48:53,973 --> 00:48:56,558 - Joking, you know, seriousness aside... - Stop it. Stop, stop. 814 00:48:56,641 --> 00:48:59,811 I'm just... I'm worried about you. 815 00:49:00,479 --> 00:49:01,605 Yes, yes. 816 00:49:02,231 --> 00:49:03,565 Tomorrow, I drop you. 817 00:49:04,650 --> 00:49:07,319 And then, when I say... 818 00:49:07,694 --> 00:49:12,616 "How is weather in Los Angeles?" or anything related to weather... 819 00:49:14,826 --> 00:49:18,038 it means that we will talk in 15, 20 minutes. 820 00:49:18,122 --> 00:49:19,123 Be ready to talk. 821 00:49:23,335 --> 00:49:26,713 Tonight, our sport finds itself in a shameful situation. 822 00:49:26,796 --> 00:49:31,926 And that is why I can confirm the council has overwhelmingly voted, 823 00:49:32,011 --> 00:49:35,389 with immediate effect, to suspend the Russian Federation. 824 00:49:35,472 --> 00:49:39,476 It's done so, uh, by 22 votes to one. 825 00:49:39,559 --> 00:49:43,522 It is the strongest sanction... 826 00:49:52,906 --> 00:49:57,452 Regarding the recent events 827 00:49:58,870 --> 00:50:01,540 connected to our track and field team, 828 00:50:01,623 --> 00:50:06,628 I urge the sports minister and all my sports colleagues 829 00:50:06,711 --> 00:50:09,173 to make this their number one priority. 830 00:50:09,256 --> 00:50:10,424 This is the first step. 831 00:50:10,507 --> 00:50:14,678 Secondly, it is vital to conduct our own internal investigation. 832 00:50:14,761 --> 00:50:18,432 Sport should be fair. 833 00:50:18,515 --> 00:50:23,395 Responsibility should be personalized and absolute. 834 00:50:27,816 --> 00:50:28,817 Bryan... 835 00:50:30,485 --> 00:50:32,571 I need... Wait, look at me. 836 00:50:32,654 --> 00:50:33,738 Yeah. 837 00:50:33,822 --> 00:50:37,159 I need to escape and to walk... to walk... 838 00:50:37,242 --> 00:50:38,868 You can go wherever you want. 839 00:50:38,952 --> 00:50:42,831 - Okay. - I will be doggy-sitting at your home. 840 00:50:42,914 --> 00:50:44,583 So you wanna get out? 841 00:50:45,250 --> 00:50:47,043 Yes. Simply. 842 00:50:48,002 --> 00:50:50,547 What do you want to, uh... 843 00:50:50,630 --> 00:50:53,175 It's very suspicious when you have one-way ticket, you know. 844 00:50:53,258 --> 00:50:57,096 Yeah, right. You have to book a round trip. 845 00:50:57,179 --> 00:50:58,859 They're watching us. 846 00:50:59,973 --> 00:51:01,141 - Bryan? - Yeah. 847 00:51:01,225 --> 00:51:04,311 What I am doing, myself, I can do nothing. 848 00:51:04,394 --> 00:51:06,188 - So... - Okay? 849 00:51:07,731 --> 00:51:11,235 I'll send you... Let me figure out some flight options, okay? 850 00:51:12,527 --> 00:51:13,527 Okay. 851 00:51:14,779 --> 00:51:16,615 I'm gonna get the flight, right now. 852 00:51:16,698 --> 00:51:18,575 - Yes, right now. - Okay. 853 00:51:18,658 --> 00:51:19,784 Go. 854 00:51:19,868 --> 00:51:23,122 Also, some security measures will be set. 855 00:51:23,205 --> 00:51:26,250 How will I know that you made it through okay? 856 00:51:26,333 --> 00:51:27,333 Um... 857 00:51:28,710 --> 00:51:30,086 I don't know. 858 00:51:31,213 --> 00:51:32,214 Okay? 859 00:51:33,340 --> 00:51:34,341 Okay. 860 00:51:35,842 --> 00:51:36,843 Okay. 861 00:51:39,053 --> 00:51:41,097 - Bryan? - Yeah, I'm right here. 862 00:51:41,181 --> 00:51:44,226 - Okay, just left my security man. - Okay. 863 00:51:44,309 --> 00:51:46,936 I am very much dizzy, paranoid. 864 00:51:47,020 --> 00:51:48,313 We'll get you here. 865 00:51:48,397 --> 00:51:53,109 My wife and children decided maybe it's better to stay in Russia. 866 00:51:53,735 --> 00:51:57,572 Just gotta make sure in the US that you're okay also. 867 00:51:58,156 --> 00:51:59,491 My daughter... 868 00:52:00,074 --> 00:52:01,075 Yes? 869 00:52:01,618 --> 00:52:03,203 She's getting married. 870 00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:05,121 Right. 871 00:52:05,205 --> 00:52:06,873 Married, everything. 872 00:52:09,251 --> 00:52:10,294 It's time. 873 00:52:11,253 --> 00:52:12,254 Okay. 874 00:52:12,337 --> 00:52:14,923 - Cross fingers now. - You, too. 875 00:52:15,006 --> 00:52:16,883 Remember Orwell. 876 00:52:16,966 --> 00:52:20,554 "We will meet each other where there is no darkness." 877 00:52:28,853 --> 00:52:31,231 When I first interviewed you a year ago, 878 00:52:31,315 --> 00:52:33,525 I asked you if you thought your investigation 879 00:52:33,608 --> 00:52:36,194 would be a defining moment in the history of sport. 880 00:52:37,028 --> 00:52:38,947 How would you answer that question now? 881 00:52:39,739 --> 00:52:43,451 Yes, it can be a defining moment, and I think it should. 882 00:52:43,952 --> 00:52:49,249 You've got your number one Olympic sport in the crosshairs, 883 00:52:49,333 --> 00:52:53,628 and you've got one of the major Olympic countries in the world 884 00:52:53,712 --> 00:52:54,712 in the crosshairs, 885 00:52:54,754 --> 00:52:57,674 even if it's the crosshairs only on athletics at the moment. 886 00:52:58,258 --> 00:53:02,429 That has the potential of affecting the credibility of all sport 887 00:53:02,512 --> 00:53:06,808 and, therefore, the continued viability of all sport. 888 00:53:06,891 --> 00:53:09,478 Why would I watch an event that's fixed? 889 00:53:45,722 --> 00:53:46,890 There he is. 890 00:53:51,936 --> 00:53:53,938 - I'm here, yes! - He's escaped. 891 00:53:54,022 --> 00:53:56,775 This is... Yes. Escaped alive. 892 00:53:56,858 --> 00:53:57,859 Come on. 893 00:54:01,530 --> 00:54:02,656 Then you did what? 894 00:54:02,739 --> 00:54:04,842 Destroyed my computer from my working place. 895 00:54:04,866 --> 00:54:07,952 I took hard disk. And also, I have three copies. 896 00:54:08,495 --> 00:54:10,455 It's a historical moment. 897 00:54:10,539 --> 00:54:12,541 Grigory, I want you to know 898 00:54:12,624 --> 00:54:15,043 that I understand your desire to be visible 899 00:54:15,126 --> 00:54:18,755 and I think that's very important for you, to be safe. 900 00:54:18,838 --> 00:54:23,552 I was on the phone yesterday with the lawyer for Edward Snowden. 901 00:54:24,135 --> 00:54:26,305 They have some recommendations. 902 00:54:26,388 --> 00:54:30,266 I have everything with me, and also I destroyed my office computer. 903 00:54:31,142 --> 00:54:34,521 Put it in a very safe place and dropped there like a dummy. 904 00:54:35,814 --> 00:54:37,565 We'll talk in a few hours. 905 00:54:43,738 --> 00:54:46,574 - This is, uh... This is it. - Uh-huh. 906 00:54:48,702 --> 00:54:50,161 It's like a labyrinth. 907 00:54:50,244 --> 00:54:51,621 Yeah. 908 00:54:59,338 --> 00:55:01,965 Okay, this is the place. 909 00:55:02,048 --> 00:55:03,633 - Good. - Here's, um... 910 00:55:04,217 --> 00:55:06,052 bed, bathroom. 911 00:55:06,135 --> 00:55:07,387 Secure place. 912 00:55:08,930 --> 00:55:10,098 It's a good thing. 913 00:55:10,181 --> 00:55:12,976 This'll work, at least till we get what the plan is 914 00:55:13,059 --> 00:55:14,060 and what we're gonna do. 915 00:55:14,561 --> 00:55:17,230 He goes to me. He remembers me since May. 916 00:55:17,814 --> 00:55:19,358 You will be learning Russian. 917 00:55:20,024 --> 00:55:22,861 You will be learning Russian very soon. 918 00:55:22,944 --> 00:55:24,320 I'm missing dogs. 919 00:55:27,281 --> 00:55:32,746 There was one thing that I noticed in the IC report, 920 00:55:32,829 --> 00:55:37,584 and that was that there were KGB people hanging around the lab. 921 00:55:39,002 --> 00:55:40,754 And that's a real no-no. 922 00:55:41,838 --> 00:55:44,215 You know, KGB people are not nice people. 923 00:55:46,551 --> 00:55:48,052 So I am at home. 924 00:55:48,136 --> 00:55:51,473 We will banish all those who have a suspicious reputation 925 00:55:51,556 --> 00:55:53,349 from the leadership of Russian athletics. 926 00:55:53,433 --> 00:55:58,605 In 60 days, we will present the renewed athletics with new people... 927 00:55:58,688 --> 00:56:02,358 So, if the KGB... I guess they're called the FSB now... 928 00:56:03,485 --> 00:56:05,737 they're in the lab, 929 00:56:06,446 --> 00:56:09,741 who else could finance them but Vitaly Mutko? 930 00:56:10,241 --> 00:56:14,203 Oh, I don't think Vitaly Mutko finances the FSB. 931 00:56:14,287 --> 00:56:18,041 - That's a state security operation. - But... but Putin? 932 00:56:18,124 --> 00:56:24,130 Well, whoever finances it and runs the state security apparatus, 933 00:56:24,213 --> 00:56:27,008 it's not the sport minister. 934 00:56:30,011 --> 00:56:32,691 Officials are essentially saying, "There may be some problems, 935 00:56:32,722 --> 00:56:35,725 but we are trying and have already taken steps 936 00:56:35,809 --> 00:56:37,268 to address those problems." 937 00:56:37,351 --> 00:56:41,105 And all of the officials are essentially rejecting the idea 938 00:56:41,189 --> 00:56:43,357 that there's still a major problem. 939 00:56:43,442 --> 00:56:44,443 Honey, hi. 940 00:56:45,902 --> 00:56:48,447 I am here, far away and in the darkness. 941 00:56:49,531 --> 00:56:51,491 You see them all? 942 00:56:51,991 --> 00:56:55,745 Wearing fancy suits, ties, making speeches on TV... 943 00:56:56,370 --> 00:56:58,081 It's all a farce. 944 00:57:00,834 --> 00:57:02,836 Of course I was very disappointed 945 00:57:02,919 --> 00:57:04,463 when laboratory was closed. 946 00:57:06,297 --> 00:57:10,552 Now reading this IC report, I am just watching with another's eyes. 947 00:57:18,351 --> 00:57:22,439 I know that I could change the past, telling the truth. 948 00:57:26,443 --> 00:57:30,447 But would you like telling the truth, you will be annihilated. 949 00:57:39,956 --> 00:57:44,127 George Orwell, I was reading the first in 1989. 950 00:57:44,836 --> 00:57:46,170 I was 30. 951 00:57:47,714 --> 00:57:50,550 Before that time, in Soviet Union, 952 00:57:50,634 --> 00:57:54,428 the book 1984, it was strictly, strictly prohibited. 953 00:57:58,182 --> 00:58:00,852 For me, it was totally shocking. 954 00:58:02,771 --> 00:58:05,189 Especially "ignorance is strength." 955 00:58:06,149 --> 00:58:08,151 This is the most powerful thing. 956 00:58:09,193 --> 00:58:11,070 It was my weapon. 957 00:58:11,654 --> 00:58:15,909 It gave me definitions, it gave me coordinates 958 00:58:15,992 --> 00:58:17,869 how you can apply to your life. 959 00:58:20,121 --> 00:58:21,498 It's like a road map. 960 00:58:24,083 --> 00:58:27,921 "'There are three stages in your reintegration, ' said O'Brien. 961 00:58:28,672 --> 00:58:31,508 'There is learning, there is understanding, 962 00:58:31,591 --> 00:58:33,426 and there is acceptance. 963 00:58:40,266 --> 00:58:43,770 It's time for you to enter upon the first stage.'" 964 00:58:53,029 --> 00:58:54,823 I was thinking that we'd start... 965 00:58:54,906 --> 00:58:58,492 I ask you questions, and you answer "yes" or "no." 966 00:59:00,453 --> 00:59:03,957 Does Russia have a systematic, statewide doping system in place 967 00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:05,374 to cheat the Olympics? 968 00:59:05,458 --> 00:59:06,543 Yes. 969 00:59:07,835 --> 00:59:11,047 Were you the mastermind of a statewide system 970 00:59:11,130 --> 00:59:12,715 that cheated the Olympics? 971 00:59:12,799 --> 00:59:15,259 Of course. Yes. 972 00:59:15,343 --> 00:59:20,223 Russia won a total of 73 medals in the 2008 Beijing Olympics. 973 00:59:20,306 --> 00:59:22,601 How many of those athletes were dirty? 974 00:59:25,436 --> 00:59:26,436 Thirty. 975 00:59:26,980 --> 00:59:31,610 Russia won 81 total medals in London. How many of those were dirty? 976 00:59:31,693 --> 00:59:32,694 Oh, even more. 977 00:59:32,777 --> 00:59:35,279 50% is for sure. Let it be 50%. 978 00:59:35,822 --> 00:59:39,826 They were earned using special program. 979 00:59:39,909 --> 00:59:41,703 State-sponsored, of course. 980 00:59:42,871 --> 00:59:47,166 Was Putin aware of the existence of a Russian doping system? 981 00:59:47,250 --> 00:59:49,418 Yes. Aware of my name. 982 00:59:50,086 --> 00:59:53,506 He took me from the prison for such special affair. 983 00:59:54,299 --> 00:59:56,050 - From prison? - Yes. 984 00:59:57,135 --> 00:59:58,386 To redeem. 985 00:59:59,345 --> 01:00:02,015 Okay, let's back up one sec here. 986 01:00:02,098 --> 01:00:05,559 My concern is that it's something they would use to discredit you. 987 01:00:05,644 --> 01:00:07,020 Oh, of course. 988 01:00:07,103 --> 01:00:12,066 So, the first criminal investigation against you, 989 01:00:12,150 --> 01:00:13,985 when was it and what happened? 990 01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:20,408 Oh, it's not easy to say how it happened. 991 01:00:21,910 --> 01:00:26,831 Before 2008, China was the biggest producer of anabolics. 992 01:00:27,957 --> 01:00:30,126 It was produced in a pharmaceutical, 993 01:00:30,209 --> 01:00:32,796 well-equipped, good manufacturing practice. 994 01:00:32,879 --> 01:00:35,298 No contamination, high qualities. 995 01:00:35,381 --> 01:00:38,843 And all these anabolics are coming to Europe, to the United States. 996 01:00:39,593 --> 01:00:41,387 It's the same like in Russia. 997 01:00:42,221 --> 01:00:45,141 Of course, at that time in Russia, as the head of laboratory, 998 01:00:46,267 --> 01:00:47,644 I was a part of system. 999 01:00:48,477 --> 01:00:52,315 There are three or four top-level witch doctors, 1000 01:00:52,398 --> 01:00:54,067 like Portugalov. 1001 01:00:54,150 --> 01:00:58,112 Portugalov was the famous anabolic coach of Russian national team. 1002 01:00:59,447 --> 01:01:01,615 It was Soviet time. He was before me. 1003 01:01:03,827 --> 01:01:06,245 Portugalov is conveyor of athletes. 1004 01:01:06,913 --> 01:01:11,417 He has his own protocols, and he really had great success. 1005 01:01:13,044 --> 01:01:15,379 And then they became Olympic champions. 1006 01:01:18,675 --> 01:01:21,344 The problem began in 2008. 1007 01:01:22,220 --> 01:01:24,848 Jacques Rogge, the president of the Olympics, 1008 01:01:24,931 --> 01:01:27,058 told government of China, 1009 01:01:27,141 --> 01:01:32,063 "You are Olympic country, but you are producing anabolics in bulk. 1010 01:01:32,146 --> 01:01:35,233 You cannot do like this anymore. Stop it." 1011 01:01:35,316 --> 01:01:37,694 They stop it. Officially. 1012 01:01:38,194 --> 01:01:41,072 But who is supplying steroids to national team? 1013 01:01:41,155 --> 01:01:43,742 Before, there was not any concern. 1014 01:01:43,825 --> 01:01:46,285 You buy stanozolol, it's stanozolol. 1015 01:01:46,369 --> 01:01:48,705 But Portugalov was so confident, 1016 01:01:48,788 --> 01:01:52,583 offering and providing things which were not proven or tested. 1017 01:01:54,252 --> 01:01:57,005 They have impurities which could be detectable. 1018 01:01:58,506 --> 01:02:01,760 "Oh," Portugalov say. "What to do? I spent so much money for this. 1019 01:02:01,843 --> 01:02:03,762 Maybe you could advise to do?" 1020 01:02:03,845 --> 01:02:06,680 What advice? Drop it to the trash. 1021 01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:09,142 Now, in Moscow laboratory, 1022 01:02:09,225 --> 01:02:12,270 we had the best sensitivity and detection limits. 1023 01:02:12,353 --> 01:02:16,232 I'm very proud that I created the test for long term metabolites, 1024 01:02:16,315 --> 01:02:18,442 which caused the detection window 1025 01:02:18,526 --> 01:02:21,237 to enlarge from two or three weeks to six months. 1026 01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:26,034 That's why Portugalov suddenly had so many positives. 1027 01:02:27,451 --> 01:02:29,913 All people on the national team, 1028 01:02:29,996 --> 01:02:32,957 they came to ask where to get these steroids. 1029 01:02:35,835 --> 01:02:37,295 I knew one source. 1030 01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:42,591 Suddenly, I was coordinating the whole steroid program. 1031 01:02:43,426 --> 01:02:45,136 So you were cutting out Portugalov? 1032 01:02:45,219 --> 01:02:46,971 Yes, but what I was doing, 1033 01:02:47,055 --> 01:02:52,852 I was saving national team from purchasing dirty steroids. 1034 01:02:55,021 --> 01:02:59,025 Eventually, I don't know whether it was by purpose, 1035 01:02:59,525 --> 01:03:02,236 I fight with Portugalov. 1036 01:03:03,863 --> 01:03:05,573 Then I became enemy. 1037 01:03:07,450 --> 01:03:11,162 Criminal narcotic police came to my home, they took my computer, 1038 01:03:11,245 --> 01:03:15,041 and they said, "Then we arrest you on Monday." 1039 01:03:19,087 --> 01:03:23,174 I was in such depression and my will was paralyzed. 1040 01:03:26,260 --> 01:03:29,097 And I decided to escape, I don't know how. 1041 01:03:30,556 --> 01:03:32,683 I took some knife from... 1042 01:03:32,766 --> 01:03:35,269 very, very sharp... from my wife's kitchen. 1043 01:03:35,937 --> 01:03:38,940 I drank whiskey, I sit to the bath. 1044 01:03:40,274 --> 01:03:41,525 And... 1045 01:03:43,736 --> 01:03:46,072 And... it was... 1046 01:03:46,155 --> 01:03:47,824 It goes so smooth. 1047 01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:52,912 Then, in the water, I see how blood is doing like this. 1048 01:03:56,082 --> 01:03:58,709 It wasn't very strong, the lock. 1049 01:03:59,752 --> 01:04:01,087 My wife opened door. 1050 01:04:10,596 --> 01:04:12,806 My heart was seared. 1051 01:04:15,226 --> 01:04:16,895 It was very good surgeon. 1052 01:04:19,856 --> 01:04:22,066 And since I was considered to be suicide... 1053 01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:26,404 I was sent to a psychiatric clinic. 1054 01:04:27,613 --> 01:04:29,908 After seeing that I am depressed, 1055 01:04:30,574 --> 01:04:33,661 they started to give me such crazy drugs. 1056 01:04:37,290 --> 01:04:39,417 I was totally out of reality. 1057 01:04:50,636 --> 01:04:52,430 And then again, something happened. 1058 01:04:53,847 --> 01:04:54,848 The criminal police, 1059 01:04:54,933 --> 01:04:57,851 they sentence me to another psychiatric clinic... 1060 01:04:59,645 --> 01:05:01,480 which is for those who are sadist, 1061 01:05:01,564 --> 01:05:04,233 who are totally worst-of-the-worst criminals. 1062 01:05:07,153 --> 01:05:10,323 They respected me very much. I was called "professor." 1063 01:05:10,406 --> 01:05:12,325 But I get better, better, better. 1064 01:05:13,117 --> 01:05:16,370 The most funny thing, they allowed me to use computer, 1065 01:05:16,454 --> 01:05:21,084 so I was working in psychiatric clinic like a head of laboratory director, 1066 01:05:21,167 --> 01:05:23,752 advising the whole Russian national team. 1067 01:05:25,213 --> 01:05:26,380 That time, 1068 01:05:26,464 --> 01:05:30,093 I received, from Olympic Committee, an invitation to London, 1069 01:05:30,176 --> 01:05:33,262 2012 Olympic Games, being the director. 1070 01:05:34,555 --> 01:05:39,018 Russian ministry was little bit uncertain that I'm criminal in full. 1071 01:05:42,605 --> 01:05:43,940 But WADA said, 1072 01:05:44,023 --> 01:05:48,277 "If not Rodchenkov, we don't see in Russia any other candidate than him. 1073 01:05:48,361 --> 01:05:52,156 If you don't send him to London, we send to London another director." 1074 01:05:52,781 --> 01:05:54,158 You can imagine how important 1075 01:05:54,242 --> 01:05:58,829 information from London laboratory is for national team. 1076 01:05:59,413 --> 01:06:03,001 I had information, what testing this London laboratory is doing, 1077 01:06:03,084 --> 01:06:06,587 to understand where we are and how much is danger. 1078 01:06:07,171 --> 01:06:11,175 Without this, all Russian doping situation will be collapsed. 1079 01:06:12,969 --> 01:06:15,763 Thanks to God, Mutko understood this. 1080 01:06:16,889 --> 01:06:19,683 I received a call from the Moscow investigators. 1081 01:06:19,767 --> 01:06:20,767 "Grigory... 1082 01:06:22,019 --> 01:06:23,562 your case is dropped." 1083 01:06:25,106 --> 01:06:27,150 Who took care of it? Who got the charges dropped? 1084 01:06:27,233 --> 01:06:29,027 Putin. Of course. 1085 01:06:29,527 --> 01:06:33,990 It's my redemption. Success in Sochi instead of being in prison. 1086 01:06:40,079 --> 01:06:45,001 We are two workers, Kamaev and Rodchenkov, 1087 01:06:45,084 --> 01:06:47,336 with a mission in mind... 1088 01:06:47,420 --> 01:06:49,505 This is not a mission. This is a revolution. 1089 01:06:49,588 --> 01:06:52,466 - This is an anti-WADA strategy. - Of course! Of course! 1090 01:06:55,511 --> 01:06:59,057 The former head of Russia's anti-doping agency RUSADA 1091 01:06:59,140 --> 01:07:01,267 has unexpectedly died. 1092 01:07:03,686 --> 01:07:07,981 Nikita Kamaev's death comes just two months after he resigned his post, 1093 01:07:08,066 --> 01:07:11,694 which is, obviously, following the doping scandal that has rocked Russia 1094 01:07:11,777 --> 01:07:14,196 and the rest of the world in athletics. 1095 01:07:16,490 --> 01:07:19,202 No, no, no. 1096 01:07:19,993 --> 01:07:24,207 No, no, no. 1097 01:07:24,290 --> 01:07:25,749 I have to see. 1098 01:07:26,459 --> 01:07:27,477 We're told by RUSADA, 1099 01:07:27,501 --> 01:07:30,379 which is the doping agency he was formerly the head of, 1100 01:07:30,463 --> 01:07:33,924 that he appears to have had a massive heart attack. 1101 01:07:34,007 --> 01:07:35,093 Of course. 1102 01:07:38,387 --> 01:07:39,472 Bryan? 1103 01:07:40,264 --> 01:07:41,265 I'm here. 1104 01:07:41,849 --> 01:07:43,016 You know, my friend? 1105 01:07:45,061 --> 01:07:46,145 My friend... 1106 01:07:47,020 --> 01:07:48,106 died. 1107 01:07:48,939 --> 01:07:50,316 I show you. 1108 01:07:50,399 --> 01:07:52,901 He's got no previous history of heart problems. 1109 01:07:54,778 --> 01:07:57,948 It means, "Grigory, Nikita died." 1110 01:07:58,031 --> 01:08:01,285 He just died. And so, it's an enormous shock. 1111 01:08:02,120 --> 01:08:04,747 He's my friend since school time, 1112 01:08:04,830 --> 01:08:08,041 and he never complained about his heart 1113 01:08:08,126 --> 01:08:10,753 or any health problem, and... 1114 01:08:11,712 --> 01:08:14,090 He had a young wife. 1115 01:08:14,173 --> 01:08:17,676 They dreamed about children. I was talking to him day before. 1116 01:08:18,511 --> 01:08:19,928 This is... 1117 01:08:20,012 --> 01:08:21,847 Still, I cannot understand. 1118 01:08:23,724 --> 01:08:25,143 It cannot be like this. 1119 01:08:27,228 --> 01:08:29,021 He wrote book. 1120 01:08:30,648 --> 01:08:33,567 It's dangerous to write book in Russia. 1121 01:08:35,236 --> 01:08:37,988 I don't know. We gotta figure this out, because... 1122 01:08:38,071 --> 01:08:39,698 Of course, of course. 1123 01:08:40,824 --> 01:08:43,327 Do you think that they would... 1124 01:08:43,911 --> 01:08:49,250 Bryan, we are playing the most danger game in the history of sport. 1125 01:08:49,833 --> 01:08:55,047 WADA, ready to pay everything for me and for you to disappear. 1126 01:08:56,590 --> 01:09:01,053 Because we destroy not only their future, we destroy their past. 1127 01:09:01,637 --> 01:09:05,766 You know, there is very bad man still not mentioned. 1128 01:09:05,849 --> 01:09:08,644 Deputy Minister Mutko. 1129 01:09:09,687 --> 01:09:12,064 He could kill everybody. 1130 01:09:13,106 --> 01:09:14,483 He's a KGB man. 1131 01:09:15,359 --> 01:09:19,363 He's very dangerous. He has no moral at all. No, no. 1132 01:09:20,364 --> 01:09:22,700 "Oh, Nikita is writing book? 1133 01:09:23,826 --> 01:09:26,454 Fifty-two. Oh, he's tired. 1134 01:09:27,538 --> 01:09:28,747 He's desperate. 1135 01:09:28,831 --> 01:09:32,710 Oh, please, prepare obituary for the next week." 1136 01:09:33,836 --> 01:09:36,714 Can you imagine? I can imagine easily. 1137 01:09:41,427 --> 01:09:43,846 We should be very much careful. 1138 01:09:47,308 --> 01:09:49,018 Who were you reporting to? 1139 01:09:51,395 --> 01:09:53,689 Yuri Nagornykh, vice minister. 1140 01:09:56,484 --> 01:09:59,320 He was practically involved in everyday routine. 1141 01:10:00,363 --> 01:10:03,073 - So you would report to Yuri? - Yes. 1142 01:10:03,156 --> 01:10:05,177 - Yuri would report to Mutko? - Yes. 1143 01:10:05,201 --> 01:10:07,881 - And Mutko reported to Putin? - To Putin, yes. 1144 01:10:12,416 --> 01:10:15,503 You know, there is no rest if you are paranoid. 1145 01:10:15,586 --> 01:10:18,214 It was around 12:30, one o'clock at night? 1146 01:10:18,589 --> 01:10:21,467 Or two. I don't know. 1147 01:10:21,550 --> 01:10:23,927 They were just hanging around, so... 1148 01:10:24,011 --> 01:10:27,514 - Somebody in the courtyard? - Yes. 1149 01:10:28,849 --> 01:10:34,187 Two strong men knocked my door and appeared from darkness. 1150 01:10:35,022 --> 01:10:38,359 They asked me to let them in, and they came here. 1151 01:10:38,901 --> 01:10:44,531 And we were talking about sport, about many relevant or auxiliary things. 1152 01:10:46,158 --> 01:10:48,702 They knew about death of Nikita Kamaev. 1153 01:10:50,037 --> 01:10:54,583 About, first of all, my boss, Minister Mutko. 1154 01:10:55,417 --> 01:10:58,629 It was inspection and... 1155 01:10:58,712 --> 01:11:00,631 Exhausts my nerves... 1156 01:11:00,714 --> 01:11:03,759 They finally gave me subpoena. 1157 01:11:03,842 --> 01:11:06,219 United States district court. 1158 01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:09,932 You see, it's for me. "To Grigory Rodchenkov." 1159 01:11:10,808 --> 01:11:14,853 You're commanded to appear in front of the grand jury. 1160 01:11:22,570 --> 01:11:26,407 He had been approached by two FBI agents. 1161 01:11:28,909 --> 01:11:31,287 They want him to go to New York 1162 01:11:32,204 --> 01:11:36,959 and appear in a grand jury and provide his information. 1163 01:11:38,168 --> 01:11:41,797 It triggered a whole series of decisions that had to be made. 1164 01:11:43,841 --> 01:11:45,884 I've checked out these two guys, 1165 01:11:45,968 --> 01:11:50,764 and both of these guys are not your everyday agent. 1166 01:11:50,848 --> 01:11:52,516 But why did they come to him? 1167 01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:54,852 They want him for something else that they're doing. 1168 01:11:54,935 --> 01:11:56,395 They didn't come to him for himself. 1169 01:11:57,313 --> 01:11:59,565 They're trying to make a case, 1170 01:11:59,648 --> 01:12:01,525 and they found out he was in LA. 1171 01:12:02,192 --> 01:12:06,238 His boss, Mutko, was actually the guy. 1172 01:12:06,322 --> 01:12:07,906 How was he able to survive? 1173 01:12:07,990 --> 01:12:11,243 Because he's Putin's best friend. He's the head of the sports ministry. 1174 01:12:11,327 --> 01:12:15,247 Just what sort of, uh... crime... 1175 01:12:15,331 --> 01:12:19,501 like, example, I could be done against or under US legislature? 1176 01:12:19,585 --> 01:12:23,839 The United States Justice Department loves to charge broad conspiracies. 1177 01:12:23,922 --> 01:12:26,425 That's their favorite charging instrument. 1178 01:12:26,509 --> 01:12:30,095 That you conspired with Mutko and others to... 1179 01:12:30,178 --> 01:12:33,891 What is the conspiracy? It was conspiracy since 1980. 1180 01:12:33,974 --> 01:12:35,643 Let's reconsider Moscow Olympic Games, 1181 01:12:35,726 --> 01:12:39,187 and then reconsider situation in United States in 1984. 1182 01:12:39,271 --> 01:12:41,231 That's right. 1183 01:12:41,315 --> 01:12:46,070 They're looking for him to plea to what's called a cooperation agreement. 1184 01:12:46,153 --> 01:12:48,864 What happens is, he cooperates, and at the end of the day, 1185 01:12:48,947 --> 01:12:52,451 the judge generally wouldn't incarcerate him, most likely. 1186 01:12:52,535 --> 01:12:55,162 First of all, we don't know whether that's... 1187 01:12:55,245 --> 01:12:57,581 what the bureau's interested in at this point. 1188 01:12:57,665 --> 01:13:00,959 If we turn down, they could indict him. 1189 01:13:01,043 --> 01:13:03,629 - You gotta be shitting me. - We can talk to these guys. 1190 01:13:05,631 --> 01:13:08,884 The most important thing is he is not sent back to Russia, 1191 01:13:08,967 --> 01:13:11,387 where he would certainly be assassinated. 1192 01:13:12,513 --> 01:13:14,473 We've been discussing with Grigory 1193 01:13:14,557 --> 01:13:17,142 whether or not he should go public in some way 1194 01:13:17,225 --> 01:13:18,394 prior to the Olympics. 1195 01:13:18,477 --> 01:13:20,517 Prior to the Olympics. What you're saying is 1196 01:13:20,563 --> 01:13:22,981 if he's established as a cooperating witness, 1197 01:13:23,065 --> 01:13:24,357 he may not be able to do that. 1198 01:13:24,442 --> 01:13:27,027 That's right. That's right. Which is a downside. 1199 01:13:27,110 --> 01:13:30,113 But once Grigory's public, I think he's in much less danger. 1200 01:13:30,197 --> 01:13:32,199 Because if the Russians do anything to hurt him, 1201 01:13:32,282 --> 01:13:33,576 it makes them look very guilty. 1202 01:13:33,659 --> 01:13:36,345 Except they'll just say he had a heart attack, like they did... 1203 01:13:36,369 --> 01:13:38,288 Grigory, look at me. 1204 01:13:39,164 --> 01:13:43,461 Is it in your best interest to break the story? 1205 01:13:44,294 --> 01:13:45,546 Uh... 1206 01:13:45,629 --> 01:13:48,256 You mean to disclose? We have to disclose. 1207 01:13:49,758 --> 01:13:53,386 Please enter your participant ID. Thank you. 1208 01:13:56,849 --> 01:14:01,103 I strongly suggest they stay only with list of 36 athletes. 1209 01:14:01,186 --> 01:14:02,980 Okay. But they're about to publish. 1210 01:14:03,063 --> 01:14:06,484 They're asking us how they can verify the authenticity of the Sochi list. 1211 01:14:06,567 --> 01:14:09,319 Yes, this is most important. It's authentic document. 1212 01:14:09,402 --> 01:14:11,530 It was in Sochi on my table. 1213 01:14:11,614 --> 01:14:15,075 And if you go behind this list, there is creation date. 1214 01:14:15,158 --> 01:14:17,077 And this list came from the ministry? 1215 01:14:17,160 --> 01:14:18,704 Of course, of course. 1216 01:14:18,787 --> 01:14:20,372 So, Rebecca, you have the file. 1217 01:14:20,456 --> 01:14:23,959 So under properties of the file, you can see it was created 1218 01:14:24,042 --> 01:14:27,129 Tuesday, January 21st, from the ministry. 1219 01:15:00,538 --> 01:15:03,916 Oh, my God! You're unrecognizable! 1220 01:15:03,999 --> 01:15:05,208 Not recognizable at all. 1221 01:15:06,293 --> 01:15:09,087 Psychological, looking in mirror, it's not me. 1222 01:15:09,755 --> 01:15:11,840 The New York Times is breaking tomorrow. 1223 01:15:11,924 --> 01:15:13,759 - Tomorrow? - Tomorrow. 1224 01:15:13,842 --> 01:15:16,178 Oh, I need... I need... 1225 01:15:16,595 --> 01:15:18,055 Intravenous injections 1226 01:15:18,764 --> 01:15:20,641 - to relax. Tomorrow? - Tomorrow. 1227 01:15:20,724 --> 01:15:23,268 - Why not? - Okay, so here's what's happening. 1228 01:15:24,853 --> 01:15:27,480 Have you spoke to the Department of Justice yet? 1229 01:15:27,565 --> 01:15:29,274 I told them, 1230 01:15:29,357 --> 01:15:31,359 and they reacted like I expected they would. 1231 01:15:31,443 --> 01:15:32,444 They're upset. 1232 01:15:32,528 --> 01:15:33,571 - Right. - So... 1233 01:15:33,654 --> 01:15:36,574 They wanted to know, did he provide any documents to them? 1234 01:15:37,157 --> 01:15:41,203 He provided lists of doped athletes. 1235 01:15:41,704 --> 01:15:47,668 He provided an FSB file of how the testing was arranged at Sochi. 1236 01:15:47,751 --> 01:15:51,797 Yeah, unfortunately, they're gonna terminate the whole... 1237 01:15:53,090 --> 01:15:56,384 Now that he turned over documents, they're gonna cancel. 1238 01:15:56,927 --> 01:15:58,845 And they're just gonna prosecute him. 1239 01:16:04,392 --> 01:16:07,520 "It's time for you to enter upon the second stage." 1240 01:16:11,399 --> 01:16:13,526 The International Olympic Committee 1241 01:16:13,610 --> 01:16:15,112 has the honor of announcing 1242 01:16:15,195 --> 01:16:19,575 that the 22nd Olympic Winter Games in 2014 1243 01:16:19,658 --> 01:16:22,202 are awarded to the city of Sochi. 1244 01:16:25,873 --> 01:16:30,210 That's future for everything. That's future for my country! For Russia! 1245 01:16:31,795 --> 01:16:35,507 Millions of citizens of Russia are united by the Olympic dream. 1246 01:16:36,383 --> 01:16:41,138 Our national pledge to you is, the choice of Sochi is the best choice. 1247 01:16:43,724 --> 01:16:47,019 There is a top-level decision. 1248 01:16:47,102 --> 01:16:48,270 You know who I mean. 1249 01:16:48,854 --> 01:16:52,482 And big boss, Vladimir Putin, saying, 1250 01:16:52,565 --> 01:16:56,779 "We have to show the best result in Sochi. 1251 01:16:56,862 --> 01:16:59,072 We must show the others who we are." 1252 01:16:59,740 --> 01:17:03,285 - Hurrah! - Hurrah! 1253 01:17:04,577 --> 01:17:06,914 Hurrah! 1254 01:17:06,997 --> 01:17:11,001 We could make team clean before Sochi. One month. 1255 01:17:16,089 --> 01:17:21,178 But it was decided to use PEDs during Sochi. 1256 01:17:22,721 --> 01:17:26,391 Through the competition so they could be at their very top level? 1257 01:17:26,474 --> 01:17:27,474 Right, right. 1258 01:17:28,518 --> 01:17:30,062 Vladimir Putin. 1259 01:17:31,688 --> 01:17:34,524 So instead of using the science, 1260 01:17:34,983 --> 01:17:38,236 the science that you developed to get around the system, 1261 01:17:39,362 --> 01:17:40,739 you abandoned the science? 1262 01:17:40,823 --> 01:17:41,824 Yes. 1263 01:17:42,825 --> 01:17:45,327 The most important "yes." Forget about this. 1264 01:17:46,203 --> 01:17:47,663 Ladies and gentlemen, 1265 01:17:47,746 --> 01:17:54,336 let me declare the 126th session of the International Olympic Committee 1266 01:17:54,419 --> 01:17:55,671 open. 1267 01:17:55,754 --> 01:17:58,548 Thank you. 1268 01:18:07,140 --> 01:18:10,352 Opening ceremony was the most heartbreaking day... 1269 01:18:12,020 --> 01:18:13,731 in sports history. 1270 01:18:21,864 --> 01:18:24,783 - Hi, Bryan. - The story just broke. 1271 01:18:24,867 --> 01:18:28,829 What do you mean? Is it published or not? 1272 01:18:28,912 --> 01:18:30,622 Yes, published. 1273 01:18:30,706 --> 01:18:32,624 Published! The story is published! 1274 01:18:32,708 --> 01:18:36,503 According to The New York Times, Rodchenkov... 1275 01:18:37,170 --> 01:18:38,170 Okay. 1276 01:18:40,257 --> 01:18:42,300 This is the photo of bottles. 1277 01:18:42,384 --> 01:18:45,470 Those bottles were given from Nikita Kamaev. 1278 01:18:46,096 --> 01:18:48,556 "Grigory Rodchenkov, who ran the laboratory 1279 01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:51,101 that handled testing for thousands of Olympians, 1280 01:18:51,184 --> 01:18:54,604 said he developed a three-drug cocktail of banned substances 1281 01:18:54,687 --> 01:18:58,233 that he mixed with liquor and provided to dozens of Russian athletes, 1282 01:18:58,316 --> 01:19:01,194 helping to facilitate one of the most elaborate 1283 01:19:01,278 --> 01:19:04,865 and successful doping ploys in sport history." 1284 01:19:10,203 --> 01:19:13,791 Join and support our fight for fair play. 1285 01:19:14,541 --> 01:19:16,459 The athletes deserve it. 1286 01:19:18,045 --> 01:19:22,299 And to you, my fellow Olympic athletes, 1287 01:19:22,382 --> 01:19:28,013 I say, respect the rules, play fair, be clean. 1288 01:19:32,225 --> 01:19:33,894 In 2014, in Sochi, 1289 01:19:34,477 --> 01:19:39,942 did Russia swap out dirty urine for clean urine? 1290 01:19:41,193 --> 01:19:42,193 Always. 1291 01:19:53,205 --> 01:19:56,083 The information contained in this little bottle 1292 01:19:56,166 --> 01:19:59,086 helps keep sport on the level playing field. 1293 01:19:59,169 --> 01:20:01,254 That's why we created ADAMS, 1294 01:20:01,338 --> 01:20:05,217 the free Anti-Doping Administration and Management System from WADA. 1295 01:20:05,300 --> 01:20:10,222 All operating under a level of security typically used by financial institutions. 1296 01:20:10,305 --> 01:20:12,850 In effect, becoming the centralized clearing house 1297 01:20:12,933 --> 01:20:14,810 for all anti-doping information. 1298 01:20:15,477 --> 01:20:18,771 ADAMS. Everyone should play true. 1299 01:20:22,525 --> 01:20:25,362 Walk us through the collection process. 1300 01:20:25,445 --> 01:20:29,366 The sample is provided in front of a doping control officer. 1301 01:20:29,449 --> 01:20:31,910 It's in this container. It's divided into two. 1302 01:20:32,702 --> 01:20:35,831 The A sample and the B sample. These are the... 1303 01:20:35,914 --> 01:20:37,934 - Bottles. - They're called the Bereg-Kits? 1304 01:20:37,958 --> 01:20:42,128 Yes. It's one particular company in Switzerland that makes them. 1305 01:20:42,838 --> 01:20:44,631 It's called the Berlinger bottle, 1306 01:20:44,714 --> 01:20:47,300 and the Berlinger bottle is state of the art. 1307 01:20:47,384 --> 01:20:51,471 It's sealed very tight with a vice-like device. 1308 01:20:51,554 --> 01:20:54,182 A collector is right there, watching. 1309 01:20:57,269 --> 01:20:58,728 And then it goes to the lab. 1310 01:21:00,981 --> 01:21:05,818 It's in the lab that the B bottles are pulled aside and put in the freezer. 1311 01:21:08,280 --> 01:21:11,449 The analytical work is done on the A sample. 1312 01:21:12,993 --> 01:21:14,428 The way we collect the sample, 1313 01:21:14,452 --> 01:21:16,371 the trustability of the sample, 1314 01:21:16,454 --> 01:21:18,498 the fact that we've got an A and a B sample 1315 01:21:18,581 --> 01:21:21,626 is a very, very, uh, safe system. 1316 01:21:22,460 --> 01:21:24,546 The caps on the bottles, 1317 01:21:24,629 --> 01:21:28,800 they're designed in such a way that they need to be destroyed to be taken off. 1318 01:21:28,884 --> 01:21:33,096 In the lab, they have a device that cracks open the A sample. 1319 01:21:34,222 --> 01:21:36,058 It's the only way you can get it off. 1320 01:21:37,184 --> 01:21:42,064 If an A sample tests positive, then the B gets analyzed. 1321 01:21:42,689 --> 01:21:44,566 The B has to confirm the A. 1322 01:21:45,317 --> 01:21:48,069 That's this enormous protection. 1323 01:21:49,612 --> 01:21:52,324 From Nagornykh, in preparation to Sochi, 1324 01:21:52,407 --> 01:21:58,705 it was strict order to develop procedure how we can have new bottles, 1325 01:21:58,788 --> 01:22:00,582 new caps or open cap. 1326 01:22:01,666 --> 01:22:04,044 And this FSB officer, 1327 01:22:04,127 --> 01:22:09,549 he was responsible for the day when I gave closed Bereg-Kit, 1328 01:22:09,632 --> 01:22:12,385 and after half an hour, I receive it opened. 1329 01:22:12,469 --> 01:22:13,511 And the... 1330 01:22:14,429 --> 01:22:17,515 cap and the bottle are the same. 1331 01:22:17,599 --> 01:22:19,226 And I can... 1332 01:22:19,309 --> 01:22:22,729 A little bit rinse and then pour and close. 1333 01:22:24,356 --> 01:22:25,648 Like Bereg-Kit. 1334 01:22:26,358 --> 01:22:28,276 It's unbelievable how they could do this. 1335 01:22:33,240 --> 01:22:36,326 This was named Operation Sochi Resultat. 1336 01:22:37,452 --> 01:22:41,039 In Russian, "Resultat" means "to achieve positive results." 1337 01:22:42,665 --> 01:22:44,251 So, you need clean urines? 1338 01:22:44,334 --> 01:22:46,962 I need clean urines for each candidate. 1339 01:22:47,045 --> 01:22:52,384 For every single Russian athlete under the state-sponsored doping, 1340 01:22:53,051 --> 01:22:57,930 you had clean samples of their urine being held? 1341 01:22:58,015 --> 01:22:59,349 Yes. 1342 01:22:59,432 --> 01:23:04,146 If an athlete needed to be swapped, you could swap 'em. 1343 01:23:04,229 --> 01:23:05,063 Yes. 1344 01:23:05,147 --> 01:23:11,069 But in Sochi, because of the Olympics, I am under double control. 1345 01:23:11,153 --> 01:23:14,614 Both from IOC, WADA and I don't know who. 1346 01:23:15,240 --> 01:23:19,244 Level of security is stunning. It's unbelievable. 1347 01:23:21,204 --> 01:23:23,244 There was a delegation of foreign scientists 1348 01:23:23,290 --> 01:23:25,042 who were embedded in the laboratory. 1349 01:23:25,125 --> 01:23:28,003 So, if there were substitutions, manipulations, 1350 01:23:28,086 --> 01:23:30,755 these people would've been in the front line to observe this. 1351 01:23:32,632 --> 01:23:34,967 In Sochi, laboratory was like this. 1352 01:23:35,635 --> 01:23:37,012 It was our entrance, 1353 01:23:37,095 --> 01:23:40,265 but from this behind, where we have a fire exit, 1354 01:23:40,348 --> 01:23:43,560 there is another building. It was a KGB building. 1355 01:23:43,643 --> 01:23:46,229 And bank of clean urines were kept here. 1356 01:23:46,313 --> 01:23:49,107 Coming into the final two heats of the four-man bobsleigh, 1357 01:23:49,191 --> 01:23:52,777 Pilot Alexander Zubkov and brakeman Alexey Voevoda... 1358 01:24:01,203 --> 01:24:02,620 Gold to Russia, 1359 01:24:02,704 --> 01:24:06,583 making their pilot the oldest man ever to win the four-man bobsleigh. 1360 01:24:07,917 --> 01:24:11,546 So how many FSB officers were working at Sochi? 1361 01:24:12,880 --> 01:24:13,881 Hundred. 1362 01:24:16,093 --> 01:24:18,345 Throughout the day, our KGB officer 1363 01:24:18,428 --> 01:24:21,973 brought the clean urines of all our athletes selected for testing 1364 01:24:22,057 --> 01:24:25,185 to our secret operational room in the laboratory. 1365 01:24:25,935 --> 01:24:29,689 Meanwhile, all the urines collected from the athletes during the day 1366 01:24:29,772 --> 01:24:33,818 were transported to the Olympic village and held until 1:00 or 2:00 a.m. 1367 01:24:34,736 --> 01:24:36,154 Then I received a call. 1368 01:24:36,237 --> 01:24:39,449 "Grigory, I will be delivering the samples in 15 minutes." 1369 01:24:40,033 --> 01:24:42,869 Before samples arrived, it gave me time to make sure 1370 01:24:42,952 --> 01:24:47,624 that there were no WADA or IOC observers left snooping around the laboratory. 1371 01:24:49,917 --> 01:24:51,836 Once samples were checked in, 1372 01:24:51,919 --> 01:24:54,797 the operation entered the most dangerous phase. 1373 01:24:55,673 --> 01:24:59,636 When the A and B bottles were split on to two different carts, 1374 01:24:59,719 --> 01:25:02,764 my assistant wheeled the B bottles into a storage room 1375 01:25:02,847 --> 01:25:06,684 and slipped the Russian athletes' B bottles into his lab coat. 1376 01:25:07,519 --> 01:25:11,439 This is highly illegal, but we need to replace these dirty urines. 1377 01:25:12,232 --> 01:25:14,442 Then he wheeled the cart with the A bottles 1378 01:25:14,526 --> 01:25:17,154 into the aliquoting room, as per procedure. 1379 01:25:18,155 --> 01:25:19,822 'Cause it's supposed to be opened. 1380 01:25:19,906 --> 01:25:22,074 For all A samples, yes. 1381 01:25:24,911 --> 01:25:28,498 To escape all the video recording, aliquoting room was like this. 1382 01:25:28,581 --> 01:25:33,420 And our room, we had the hole in it. 1383 01:25:33,503 --> 01:25:36,297 So we take this little bit... 1384 01:25:36,381 --> 01:25:39,008 - How you say this thing? It's... - Uh... 1385 01:25:39,092 --> 01:25:40,927 Like this, if you have something... 1386 01:25:41,427 --> 01:25:44,556 You take this table out, and there is a... like a... 1387 01:25:45,098 --> 01:25:50,186 like a power outlet blocked without any, uh... socket. 1388 01:25:50,270 --> 01:25:52,480 - Okay, right, right. - But then you take it out. 1389 01:25:52,564 --> 01:25:55,650 So it looks like it's a power outlet without a socket, but it's not. 1390 01:25:55,733 --> 01:25:57,569 - It's not. It's a hole. - It's a hole. 1391 01:25:59,028 --> 01:26:02,073 You're taking both samples through this hole, 1392 01:26:02,157 --> 01:26:04,451 and A samples, we immediately... 1393 01:26:05,034 --> 01:26:06,578 pour away and clean. 1394 01:26:07,329 --> 01:26:08,455 But the B sample... 1395 01:26:09,080 --> 01:26:11,666 B samples are taken by KGB and... whew! 1396 01:26:13,042 --> 01:26:16,879 In the darkness, people coming from the trash/fire exit. 1397 01:26:18,840 --> 01:26:25,054 Then, after two hours, they came back with B bottles opened to swap. 1398 01:26:25,805 --> 01:26:28,891 Because, of course, you have in advance clean urine. 1399 01:26:29,976 --> 01:26:33,813 So, B samples are finished with the urine swapping. 1400 01:26:33,896 --> 01:26:36,148 Taken by KGB and... 1401 01:26:36,233 --> 01:26:40,737 Because the B samples are taken by the IOC and held in long-term storage. 1402 01:26:40,820 --> 01:26:41,821 Yes. 1403 01:26:43,323 --> 01:26:48,160 If WADA or the IOC retest those samples, would they be clean? 1404 01:26:48,745 --> 01:26:51,956 Reanalysis will return negative. 1405 01:26:52,790 --> 01:26:55,585 Because, you know, we are top-level cheaters. 1406 01:26:56,794 --> 01:27:00,131 To over-cheat us, you should be much such experienced. 1407 01:27:00,215 --> 01:27:02,342 But how it comes, such experience? 1408 01:27:10,267 --> 01:27:12,184 If there were evidence brought forward 1409 01:27:12,269 --> 01:27:14,145 that showed that a country or WADA lab 1410 01:27:14,229 --> 01:27:17,857 had found a way to break into the collection bottles, 1411 01:27:17,940 --> 01:27:22,069 what do you think that would say about the entire testing system? 1412 01:27:22,153 --> 01:27:26,658 What it would say is that corruption has gone to the depths of... 1413 01:27:28,618 --> 01:27:32,163 that part of the process, which would be most disturbing. 1414 01:27:33,122 --> 01:27:34,249 It would be, uh... 1415 01:27:35,583 --> 01:27:42,424 obviously a very serious, serious act of manipulation from that lab. 1416 01:27:43,300 --> 01:27:45,635 It would be done. It wouldn't work. 1417 01:27:45,718 --> 01:27:51,223 If that can be done successfully, then the testing system is over. 1418 01:27:51,766 --> 01:27:56,187 Does WADA have the ability to catch drug cheats today? 1419 01:27:58,356 --> 01:27:59,441 No. 1420 01:28:11,619 --> 01:28:14,163 Because of this whole steroid program, 1421 01:28:14,247 --> 01:28:16,332 I pulled off 13 gold medals. 1422 01:28:16,416 --> 01:28:17,542 It's unbelievable. 1423 01:28:19,252 --> 01:28:21,045 Never before. 1424 01:28:22,714 --> 01:28:27,259 Everything was made clean, and Putin was very much happy. 1425 01:28:44,151 --> 01:28:46,237 Russia came out on top of the medals board, 1426 01:28:46,321 --> 01:28:51,451 winning 33 overall, including an Olympic high of 13 gold. 1427 01:29:12,972 --> 01:29:18,060 But immediately after, he started war against Ukraine. 1428 01:29:23,107 --> 01:29:24,233 Before the Olympics, 1429 01:29:24,316 --> 01:29:28,488 his popularity rating in Russia had been falling steadily for years. 1430 01:29:28,571 --> 01:29:31,198 But when the games began, this. 1431 01:29:35,327 --> 01:29:38,831 I felt my personal guilt for such event. 1432 01:29:38,915 --> 01:29:44,378 Would Russia had less medals, Putin would be not such aggressive. 1433 01:29:51,469 --> 01:29:54,514 What you're about to hear is not lifted from a Tom Clancy novel, 1434 01:29:54,597 --> 01:29:57,809 nor is it borrowed from the elegant prose of John Le CarrĂ© 1435 01:29:57,892 --> 01:30:00,478 or adapted from Robert Ludlum's work. 1436 01:30:00,562 --> 01:30:02,229 But if the protagonist is to be believed, 1437 01:30:02,313 --> 01:30:04,982 this drama is the ultimate handiwork of Vladimir Putin 1438 01:30:05,066 --> 01:30:08,360 and the intelligence successors to the KGB. 1439 01:30:08,445 --> 01:30:11,823 LA may be a lot safer than Mother Russia, given the recent... 1440 01:30:11,906 --> 01:30:13,450 - Bryan! - Yeah? 1441 01:30:13,950 --> 01:30:17,620 Article is incredible. It's so very good. 1442 01:30:18,204 --> 01:30:20,164 I am shocked. I'm reading twice. 1443 01:30:20,247 --> 01:30:23,084 You know, Russia even cannot breathe. 1444 01:30:23,167 --> 01:30:25,419 They still even don't respond. 1445 01:30:25,503 --> 01:30:28,590 - Of course, there it is, midnight, but... - Let me stop you. 1446 01:30:29,131 --> 01:30:32,134 - I just spoke to our lawyer. - What happened? 1447 01:30:32,218 --> 01:30:35,555 They're not returning any of his calls. 1448 01:30:36,806 --> 01:30:37,807 I am arrested? 1449 01:30:38,516 --> 01:30:42,478 We don't know yet. We're in a holding pattern. 1450 01:30:45,940 --> 01:30:49,318 I am sitting locked in my home. I'm a little bit afraid. 1451 01:30:49,401 --> 01:30:51,654 Let me get this done, and I'll come by, okay? 1452 01:30:51,738 --> 01:30:52,822 Putin will kill me. 1453 01:30:54,157 --> 01:30:56,659 - Rodchenkov... - allegations... 1454 01:30:56,742 --> 01:30:59,454 Dozens of Sochi medal winners were part of a secret... 1455 01:30:59,537 --> 01:31:00,913 Nine, one, seven. 1456 01:31:04,584 --> 01:31:06,961 Okay. 1457 01:31:07,587 --> 01:31:11,007 He has since fled Russia because he said he feared for his life. 1458 01:31:11,090 --> 01:31:14,426 Russia's sports minister has dismissed the claims as nonsense, 1459 01:31:14,511 --> 01:31:17,972 adding they were a continuation of the attack on Russian sport, 1460 01:31:18,055 --> 01:31:20,975 which was backed up by the deputy sports minister. 1461 01:31:21,058 --> 01:31:24,604 So that this is clear for everyone... 1462 01:31:24,687 --> 01:31:28,190 there has never been and there is not any doping program. 1463 01:31:28,274 --> 01:31:32,028 Vladimir Putin calls the claims "the slander of a turncoat." 1464 01:31:34,113 --> 01:31:36,574 We're meeting with a white-collar attorney 1465 01:31:36,658 --> 01:31:39,368 who has handled a lot of criminal cases. 1466 01:31:39,451 --> 01:31:41,263 What happened with his other lawyer? 1467 01:31:41,287 --> 01:31:44,498 His other lawyer, they have a Moscow office. 1468 01:31:44,582 --> 01:31:51,463 It appears that the firm got cold feet due to a conflict of interest, they said. 1469 01:31:52,256 --> 01:31:55,009 Thomas Bach, who heads the IOC, said, 1470 01:31:55,092 --> 01:31:56,427 "If this is true, 1471 01:31:56,511 --> 01:32:00,014 it is an unimaginable level of criminality." 1472 01:32:00,181 --> 01:32:03,643 The IOC calling the report "very worrying." 1473 01:32:03,726 --> 01:32:05,645 "We ask the World Anti-Doping Agency 1474 01:32:05,728 --> 01:32:07,897 to investigate immediately." 1475 01:32:08,940 --> 01:32:11,221 The Justice Department is opening an investigation 1476 01:32:11,275 --> 01:32:13,861 into Russian government officials, athletes, coaches 1477 01:32:13,945 --> 01:32:15,655 and anti-doping authorities. 1478 01:32:23,412 --> 01:32:25,582 This letter was sent by WADA. 1479 01:32:25,665 --> 01:32:29,543 "Dear Grigory, in light of your recent declarations to The New York Times, 1480 01:32:29,627 --> 01:32:31,545 we would like to meet to better understand 1481 01:32:31,629 --> 01:32:34,465 the basis of your allegations and your proposed way forward. 1482 01:32:34,548 --> 01:32:38,094 Sincerely, David Howman and Olivier Niggli." 1483 01:32:38,845 --> 01:32:42,306 I'm talking tomorrow to another lawyer. 1484 01:32:43,683 --> 01:32:44,684 So... 1485 01:32:45,893 --> 01:32:49,396 He seems credible, but of course, it's his word against Russia. 1486 01:32:49,480 --> 01:32:51,315 There were older questions 1487 01:32:51,398 --> 01:32:53,359 regarding Rodchenkov's mental health in all this, 1488 01:32:53,442 --> 01:32:55,402 as four years ago, after a failed suicide attempt, 1489 01:32:55,486 --> 01:32:58,322 he was placed into a mental institution, 1490 01:32:58,405 --> 01:33:03,285 the diagnosis described as the first stages of schizophrenia. 1491 01:33:04,328 --> 01:33:07,915 What to do with my wife and children? What they will know? 1492 01:33:07,999 --> 01:33:10,835 Or I just disappear for them? They'll go crazy. 1493 01:33:11,460 --> 01:33:15,715 Bryan, this is David and Olivier. We want this meeting to go ahead. 1494 01:33:15,798 --> 01:33:17,592 Can you call us back? 1495 01:33:19,761 --> 01:33:21,638 I'm not ready to answer. 1496 01:33:25,892 --> 01:33:30,062 We need something lucky, like it's Alice in Wonderland, 1497 01:33:30,146 --> 01:33:32,732 to rabbit's hole, to sit here. 1498 01:33:32,815 --> 01:33:35,484 - I know. - To wait until it ends. 1499 01:33:35,568 --> 01:33:38,237 I know. That's why I wanna... 1500 01:33:38,320 --> 01:33:41,323 We're trying to get this... To make it right. 1501 01:33:41,407 --> 01:33:43,367 But lawyer is trustful? 1502 01:33:43,450 --> 01:33:45,787 - He is a big one. - He's a big one. 1503 01:33:45,870 --> 01:33:48,140 - Yeah, top of the top of the top. - Yes. 1504 01:33:48,164 --> 01:33:50,958 We are digging deeper into his identity. 1505 01:33:52,043 --> 01:33:55,212 We've obtained some of his exclusive documents. 1506 01:33:58,716 --> 01:34:00,156 Grigory Rodchenkov 1507 01:34:00,217 --> 01:34:02,178 and American movie director Bryan Fogel, 1508 01:34:02,261 --> 01:34:06,598 they talked many times via e-mail and wrote... 1509 01:34:07,474 --> 01:34:11,187 The FBI are following him closely, 1510 01:34:11,270 --> 01:34:15,399 Grigory Rodchenkov himself mentioned to his sister in a recent Skype call. 1511 01:34:15,482 --> 01:34:18,235 Grish, just sit tight. Don't be too impulsive. 1512 01:34:18,319 --> 01:34:21,447 No, of course I will not do anything... 1513 01:34:21,530 --> 01:34:23,282 Of course. Absolutely. 1514 01:34:23,365 --> 01:34:26,327 Without the protection of the FBI. 1515 01:34:32,374 --> 01:34:35,586 I refuse to make any comments on this. I'm very sorry. 1516 01:34:35,669 --> 01:34:40,091 I'm sure you have very intelligent people who can explain all this. 1517 01:34:43,385 --> 01:34:46,425 Honey, I already spoke to the children. They're fine. 1518 01:34:46,472 --> 01:34:50,101 Grisha, now it's another problem. 1519 01:34:50,184 --> 01:34:51,769 I'm worried about you. 1520 01:34:52,644 --> 01:34:54,605 I'll take care of this. Just hold on. 1521 01:34:54,688 --> 01:34:57,524 This is what I'm worried about. 1522 01:34:57,608 --> 01:35:01,237 They're turning us into the monster now. 1523 01:35:02,863 --> 01:35:04,532 Or trying to. 1524 01:35:04,615 --> 01:35:06,743 It's okay. We'll get through this. 1525 01:35:10,996 --> 01:35:13,374 What do you want to come of all this? 1526 01:35:20,381 --> 01:35:22,549 "To the future or to the past, 1527 01:35:25,344 --> 01:35:28,264 to a time when thought is free... 1528 01:35:31,225 --> 01:35:35,104 when truth exists and what is done cannot be undone." 1529 01:35:38,482 --> 01:35:41,778 What everyone is interested in is the evidence he has, 1530 01:35:41,861 --> 01:35:44,822 both in terms of the documents on his computer 1531 01:35:44,905 --> 01:35:48,159 and the cell phone that he was using at the time. 1532 01:35:49,160 --> 01:35:51,913 Two people connected with the Russian doping program are dead 1533 01:35:51,996 --> 01:35:55,416 under circumstances that seem highly suspect. 1534 01:35:55,499 --> 01:35:58,002 One of the first things that I learned from authorities 1535 01:35:58,085 --> 01:35:59,837 when I came onto the case 1536 01:35:59,921 --> 01:36:04,091 was that the Russian government has the resources and the will. 1537 01:36:04,175 --> 01:36:07,511 So we've had to develop a very multi-stage protocol 1538 01:36:07,595 --> 01:36:11,348 to minimize the chances our conversations will be intercepted. 1539 01:36:12,266 --> 01:36:14,768 The main concern is that they would be able, 1540 01:36:14,852 --> 01:36:18,230 through those communications, to try to triangulate his location, 1541 01:36:18,314 --> 01:36:23,569 and if they have agents in the United States, then to do him harm. 1542 01:36:27,489 --> 01:36:29,116 We're 84 days away 1543 01:36:29,200 --> 01:36:31,911 till the Summer Games in Rio de Janeiro in Brazil. 1544 01:36:32,494 --> 01:36:35,998 Until now, there's only been hard evidence about athletics, 1545 01:36:36,082 --> 01:36:39,085 but this is pointing the finger at a whole range of sports. 1546 01:36:43,797 --> 01:36:47,343 As you know, there's a Department of Justice investigation going. 1547 01:36:47,426 --> 01:36:50,221 Grigory's been advised by his lawyer 1548 01:36:50,304 --> 01:36:53,515 he should not be here for security reasons. 1549 01:36:55,226 --> 01:36:58,020 I worked with Grigory over about six months 1550 01:36:58,104 --> 01:37:02,566 to compile a record of what happened in Russia. 1551 01:37:03,650 --> 01:37:06,320 This is the spreadsheet of every single athlete 1552 01:37:06,403 --> 01:37:09,323 that was on the state-mandated protocol. 1553 01:37:10,241 --> 01:37:13,035 What every single athlete was taking in London, 1554 01:37:13,119 --> 01:37:15,537 including their sample numbers and collection. 1555 01:37:16,080 --> 01:37:19,375 When Christiane goes back and tests these samples correctly, 1556 01:37:19,458 --> 01:37:21,835 she will basically find them all positive. 1557 01:37:23,379 --> 01:37:26,840 And we have all their protocols before the London Games. 1558 01:37:29,176 --> 01:37:32,346 We have the same for Beijing. 1559 01:37:33,014 --> 01:37:36,976 And this outlines how Russia was collecting 1560 01:37:37,059 --> 01:37:40,729 thousands and thousands of clean samples for swapping. 1561 01:37:40,812 --> 01:37:43,315 No, no, this we saw, but we want to ask question 1562 01:37:43,399 --> 01:37:46,110 as well as how it was done, understanding... 1563 01:37:46,193 --> 01:37:51,615 So, sodium chloride is added to the sample to increase specific gravity. 1564 01:37:51,698 --> 01:37:53,825 Many of these samples are gonna have 1565 01:37:53,910 --> 01:37:58,705 a hundred times the sodium content that should be in somebody's urine. 1566 01:37:58,789 --> 01:38:00,457 Let me make sure I understand. 1567 01:38:00,541 --> 01:38:04,461 They were taking the B to be opened secretly? 1568 01:38:04,545 --> 01:38:05,629 Yes. 1569 01:38:05,712 --> 01:38:08,507 You said it was removed after the Paralympic Games. 1570 01:38:08,590 --> 01:38:11,468 Does it mean that it happened also for the Paralympic Games? 1571 01:38:11,552 --> 01:38:12,553 Yes, yes. 1572 01:38:12,636 --> 01:38:16,890 Both the Olympic and the Paralympic Games, they swapped urine. 1573 01:38:17,891 --> 01:38:22,063 Vancouver was really the impetus for the urine swapping operation. 1574 01:38:22,146 --> 01:38:23,940 They only won a handful of medals, 1575 01:38:24,023 --> 01:38:27,359 and to see to it that that didn't happen again at Sochi. 1576 01:38:27,901 --> 01:38:29,903 We'll find that out when... 1577 01:38:29,987 --> 01:38:31,488 In terms of time-sensitive, 1578 01:38:31,572 --> 01:38:33,532 London is more sensitive, in the sense that 1579 01:38:33,615 --> 01:38:35,576 these athletes are going to the next Rio Games, 1580 01:38:35,659 --> 01:38:36,660 not the winter ones. 1581 01:38:36,743 --> 01:38:39,538 This is Sochi. This is London. This is Beijing. 1582 01:38:39,621 --> 01:38:42,083 This goes all the way back to 1968. 1583 01:38:42,166 --> 01:38:46,128 There never was anti-doping in Russia. Period. Ever. 1584 01:38:46,212 --> 01:38:47,671 Across all summer sports? 1585 01:38:47,754 --> 01:38:49,131 Every sport. 1586 01:38:49,631 --> 01:38:50,871 He's sorry? 1587 01:38:52,468 --> 01:38:54,095 - Who's that? - Grigory. 1588 01:38:54,178 --> 01:38:55,721 I don't want to get into that. 1589 01:38:55,804 --> 01:38:59,558 Do you think, as a scientist, I am happy to have been in Sochi? 1590 01:38:59,641 --> 01:39:03,187 And to everything... We gave credibility to the lab. 1591 01:39:03,270 --> 01:39:05,647 Do you think that I feel good today? 1592 01:39:05,731 --> 01:39:08,900 Do you think that the athletes who were cheated feel good? 1593 01:39:08,985 --> 01:39:12,989 As angry as you guys might be, I think the one thing... 1594 01:39:14,991 --> 01:39:19,328 Grigory risked his life, and is risking his life, to do this. 1595 01:39:19,411 --> 01:39:22,873 He left his wife behind, he left his children behind, 1596 01:39:22,957 --> 01:39:26,669 he left all of his belongings behind, all of his financial security behind. 1597 01:39:27,586 --> 01:39:30,131 We're here to get everything out. 1598 01:39:30,714 --> 01:39:31,714 Okay. 1599 01:39:33,175 --> 01:39:35,511 "Dear Mr. Fogel and Dr. Rodchenkov, 1600 01:39:35,594 --> 01:39:37,429 the IOC has full confidence 1601 01:39:37,513 --> 01:39:39,931 in the authority of Professor Richard McLaren 1602 01:39:40,016 --> 01:39:43,310 and respects his judgment to ensure a comprehensive inquiry. 1603 01:39:43,394 --> 01:39:46,230 We will act swiftly to take the necessary measures. 1604 01:39:46,313 --> 01:39:49,775 Sincerely yours, Thomas Bach. President." 1605 01:39:51,110 --> 01:39:53,654 Transferring you to Richard McLaren. 1606 01:39:55,281 --> 01:39:58,042 You speak of them as being orders. Are they actually orders? 1607 01:39:58,117 --> 01:40:00,952 Nagornykh is ordering Grigory? Or ordering the lab? 1608 01:40:01,037 --> 01:40:02,163 Does it matter? 1609 01:40:02,246 --> 01:40:05,916 Yes, Nagornykh is ordering Grigory. 1610 01:40:05,999 --> 01:40:10,629 There's e-mails, like, explicitly about soccer players. 1611 01:40:10,712 --> 01:40:17,386 There's e-mails explicitly of, you know, of weightlifters. 1612 01:40:18,804 --> 01:40:20,847 And that essentially were... 1613 01:40:20,931 --> 01:40:24,976 Of rowers, of swimmers... 1614 01:40:25,686 --> 01:40:27,854 where Grigory had found the positive. 1615 01:40:27,938 --> 01:40:31,108 Then if they are concerned about it, 1616 01:40:31,192 --> 01:40:35,737 they find the right profile in the bank, and pick that one out of the bank, 1617 01:40:35,821 --> 01:40:39,533 and they run the analysis on that one? 1618 01:40:39,616 --> 01:40:40,742 You got it. 1619 01:40:40,826 --> 01:40:41,827 I see. 1620 01:40:42,453 --> 01:40:44,913 If this all can be proved, it's quite mind-blowing. 1621 01:40:45,497 --> 01:40:48,042 - The sooner I have it, the better. - Okay. 1622 01:40:48,584 --> 01:40:51,253 It's important to a lot of people around the world. 1623 01:40:52,588 --> 01:40:54,268 - We do it now? - Yes. 1624 01:41:07,811 --> 01:41:11,523 Russian athletes could not credibly return to international competition 1625 01:41:11,607 --> 01:41:17,654 without undermining the confidence of their competitors and the public. 1626 01:41:18,697 --> 01:41:21,908 They are the pride and joy of Russian sport. 1627 01:41:21,992 --> 01:41:25,996 But track and field stars, like pole-vaulter Yelena Isinbayeva, 1628 01:41:26,079 --> 01:41:29,291 won't be going for gold at next month's Rio Olympics, 1629 01:41:29,375 --> 01:41:32,294 despite having friends in high places. 1630 01:41:37,133 --> 01:41:40,093 This is truly important to us, because... 1631 01:41:53,064 --> 01:41:56,943 Today, our track and field team finds itself in a dire situation. 1632 01:41:57,027 --> 01:41:59,488 We have been banned from the Olympics 1633 01:41:59,571 --> 01:42:02,408 very aggressively, without any evidence or proof. 1634 01:42:07,120 --> 01:42:10,291 Rodchenkov, director of the Moscow WADA lab, 1635 01:42:10,374 --> 01:42:12,626 was forced to resign from his position 1636 01:42:12,709 --> 01:42:17,339 even though, when you think about it, he was a brilliant doctor. 1637 01:42:17,839 --> 01:42:22,261 So he's fired, and then somehow ends up in the United States, 1638 01:42:22,344 --> 01:42:25,306 where he subsequently took his story to The New York Times. 1639 01:42:25,389 --> 01:42:28,684 Not exactly the smallest paper on Earth. 1640 01:42:28,767 --> 01:42:30,769 He gets there, he turns over all this information. 1641 01:42:31,353 --> 01:42:34,356 Finally, he stated that the entire doping program 1642 01:42:34,440 --> 01:42:36,608 was in fact part of a state-run system. 1643 01:42:36,692 --> 01:42:39,903 Whatever he claims, 1644 01:42:40,654 --> 01:42:43,324 he is confusing himself with the government. 1645 01:42:44,200 --> 01:42:48,370 You see, all of his claims against the government, he did himself. 1646 01:42:48,454 --> 01:42:50,121 It was a solo act. 1647 01:42:50,206 --> 01:42:53,459 So the swapping, the destruction of samples, 1648 01:42:53,542 --> 01:42:55,836 this was all just a farce? 1649 01:42:55,919 --> 01:42:58,755 Again, I just don't see how this is possible. How could it be? 1650 01:42:58,839 --> 01:43:00,131 Please let me repeat, 1651 01:43:00,216 --> 01:43:03,552 these allegations are not facts, just rumors and speculations. 1652 01:43:06,513 --> 01:43:08,616 Welcome to the McLaren Independent Commission 1653 01:43:08,640 --> 01:43:10,309 news conference here in Toronto. 1654 01:43:11,352 --> 01:43:15,606 In May, Professor McLaren was mandated by the World Anti-Doping Agency 1655 01:43:15,689 --> 01:43:17,733 with respect to the allegations made 1656 01:43:17,816 --> 01:43:21,320 by the former director of the WADA-accredited Moscow laboratory, 1657 01:43:21,403 --> 01:43:23,572 Dr. Grigory Rodchenkov. 1658 01:43:25,198 --> 01:43:29,661 The investigation has established the findings set out in the report 1659 01:43:29,745 --> 01:43:31,622 beyond a reasonable doubt. 1660 01:43:32,206 --> 01:43:33,916 Our experts were to determine 1661 01:43:33,999 --> 01:43:38,086 if samples had scratches and marks on the inside of the bottle caps, 1662 01:43:38,169 --> 01:43:41,298 representative of a tool used to open the cap. 1663 01:43:42,549 --> 01:43:45,636 Of the set of samples suspected of being swapped... 1664 01:43:47,220 --> 01:43:48,764 we were able to confirm... 1665 01:43:50,432 --> 01:43:53,310 100% had evidence of tampering. 1666 01:43:55,437 --> 01:43:57,814 We've conducted cyber and forensic analysis, 1667 01:43:57,898 --> 01:43:59,858 secured data from hard drives, 1668 01:43:59,941 --> 01:44:03,111 and reviewed thousands of pages of documents. 1669 01:44:03,945 --> 01:44:09,075 The Moscow laboratory operated for the protection of doped Russian athletes 1670 01:44:09,701 --> 01:44:13,955 within a state-directed, fail-safe system. 1671 01:44:16,082 --> 01:44:20,462 Ministry of Sport, Deputy Minister of Sport Yuri Nagornykh, 1672 01:44:20,546 --> 01:44:24,007 RUSADA, that's the anti-doping agency in Russia, 1673 01:44:24,090 --> 01:44:27,553 and the former director of the Moscow testing laboratory 1674 01:44:27,636 --> 01:44:30,096 were all involved in this operation 1675 01:44:30,681 --> 01:44:33,475 with the active participation and assistance 1676 01:44:33,559 --> 01:44:37,521 of the Russian Federal Security Service, formerly known as the KGB. 1677 01:44:38,397 --> 01:44:41,900 The FSB, who had access to the Sochi lab 1678 01:44:41,983 --> 01:44:44,235 under the guise of the building maintenance contractor, 1679 01:44:44,320 --> 01:44:46,530 can be identified in the evidence we have. 1680 01:44:47,030 --> 01:44:48,574 Alex Mihailovich, RT. 1681 01:44:48,657 --> 01:44:53,370 Rodchenkov himself is a person who's under investigation in Russia currently. 1682 01:44:53,454 --> 01:44:54,996 He took off from Russia. 1683 01:44:55,080 --> 01:44:58,083 He seems to be a character that you really can't rely on, 1684 01:44:58,166 --> 01:45:00,961 and a lot of this relies on Rodchenkov. 1685 01:45:01,044 --> 01:45:03,339 Does this compromise your work? 1686 01:45:03,422 --> 01:45:06,091 He is a person in this investigation, 1687 01:45:06,174 --> 01:45:08,677 but not the only person in this investigation. 1688 01:45:09,260 --> 01:45:13,974 I can say without a doubt, Dr. Rodchenkov is telling the truth 1689 01:45:14,057 --> 01:45:16,477 and was a truthful witness. 1690 01:45:16,560 --> 01:45:18,729 I was able to corroborate that 1691 01:45:18,812 --> 01:45:21,815 because of all the scientific and forensic information. 1692 01:45:22,858 --> 01:45:28,780 My team can demonstrate the existence of this system beyond a reasonable doubt. 1693 01:45:42,753 --> 01:45:45,464 It was clear from Richard McLaren's report 1694 01:45:45,547 --> 01:45:48,091 that was contained in our independent commission, 1695 01:45:48,174 --> 01:45:50,677 it's proven that offenses were committed. 1696 01:45:50,761 --> 01:45:55,098 So, I don't think anybody can accuse us of sitting back and doing nothing. 1697 01:46:00,270 --> 01:46:02,606 President Putin condemned the findings, 1698 01:46:02,689 --> 01:46:05,484 saying the world is seeing a dangerous recurrence 1699 01:46:05,567 --> 01:46:07,193 of politics interfering in sport. 1700 01:46:07,903 --> 01:46:09,279 Russia's government says 1701 01:46:09,362 --> 01:46:13,867 any decision which collectively punishes its competitors is unacceptable. 1702 01:46:13,950 --> 01:46:15,619 Richard Conway, BBC News. 1703 01:46:41,144 --> 01:46:43,439 I'm gonna be rolling your hands like that. 1704 01:46:43,522 --> 01:46:45,882 Let me do all of the work. It makes it easier for everybody. 1705 01:46:47,943 --> 01:46:50,046 What were you all doing today? 1706 01:46:50,070 --> 01:46:51,572 We were worrying all day. 1707 01:46:51,655 --> 01:46:54,575 But today, I was paying for everything, bills, etc. 1708 01:46:54,658 --> 01:46:56,785 Nika, we will get through this. 1709 01:46:56,868 --> 01:46:58,328 Oh, you have new glasses! 1710 01:46:59,079 --> 01:47:00,288 Not that new. 1711 01:47:01,790 --> 01:47:04,000 I have some sad news to tell you. 1712 01:47:04,626 --> 01:47:05,626 Yes? 1713 01:47:07,463 --> 01:47:09,881 I am going into the witness protection program. 1714 01:47:09,965 --> 01:47:11,257 - You are? - Mm-hmm. 1715 01:47:13,469 --> 01:47:14,803 Why? 1716 01:47:14,886 --> 01:47:18,682 Because the current situation is unclear. 1717 01:47:21,017 --> 01:47:22,811 - So, this is serious? - Yes. 1718 01:47:23,562 --> 01:47:24,813 For a while? 1719 01:47:30,486 --> 01:47:32,571 I was thinking of you yesterday. 1720 01:47:32,654 --> 01:47:34,114 Well, visa is just one thing, but... 1721 01:47:34,197 --> 01:47:37,158 You are my bride and keeper of the family and the dogs. 1722 01:47:37,242 --> 01:47:41,997 Grigory, I was worrying all day, and on top of that, trying to reach you. 1723 01:47:42,080 --> 01:47:43,160 Don't tell anyone anything. 1724 01:47:43,749 --> 01:47:46,960 Who would I even tell? I don't see much of anyone these days. 1725 01:47:47,043 --> 01:47:52,465 Maybe they'll pay off some officials to sit in prison for some time? 1726 01:47:52,549 --> 01:47:55,176 As a formality. 1727 01:47:55,260 --> 01:47:57,053 I have to get going. 1728 01:47:58,179 --> 01:47:59,848 - Veronika? - Yes? 1729 01:47:59,931 --> 01:48:06,437 You wrote down the lawyer's contact information and have everything? 1730 01:48:07,439 --> 01:48:08,940 You know what I'm talking about? 1731 01:48:12,736 --> 01:48:16,072 Of course I understand. It's just... This is all so sad. 1732 01:48:29,502 --> 01:48:32,631 Whatever packing you need to do and getting dressed... 1733 01:48:32,714 --> 01:48:34,090 Okay. Okay. 1734 01:48:51,316 --> 01:48:54,027 So, do we know what, uh, you're gonna be able to... 1735 01:48:54,110 --> 01:48:57,989 I still don't know how it will be organized. 1736 01:48:58,073 --> 01:49:01,785 "Protection" means protection that you don't know how it's organized. 1737 01:49:03,620 --> 01:49:05,914 What do you foresee at this point? 1738 01:49:07,791 --> 01:49:09,626 I will start writing book. 1739 01:49:10,836 --> 01:49:12,713 Oh, we are on the first floor. 1740 01:49:13,589 --> 01:49:14,756 Where is the exit? 1741 01:49:21,512 --> 01:49:24,474 I wonder when I'm going to see you again. 1742 01:49:25,809 --> 01:49:27,978 Don't worry. I'll be back. 1743 01:49:32,315 --> 01:49:36,778 Bryan, you are medium-sized monster! 1744 01:49:36,862 --> 01:49:38,154 Remember me. 1745 01:49:58,174 --> 01:50:02,888 We have decided today that Russian athletes can compete in Rio. 1746 01:50:06,599 --> 01:50:09,185 The International Sports Federations 1747 01:50:09,269 --> 01:50:13,940 will carry out individual analysis, taking into account... 1748 01:50:20,196 --> 01:50:23,283 Anti-doping officials are fuming. 1749 01:50:23,366 --> 01:50:26,912 The IOC going against the World Anti-Doping Agency recommendations... 1750 01:50:33,669 --> 01:50:36,629 Olympic champion. Vlasov had won gold again. 1751 01:50:59,235 --> 01:51:03,156 "Winston sank his arms to his sides 1752 01:51:03,239 --> 01:51:06,076 and slowly refilled his lungs with air. 1753 01:51:12,165 --> 01:51:16,169 His mind slid away into the labyrinthine world of doublethink. 1754 01:51:18,046 --> 01:51:20,423 To know and not to know, 1755 01:51:20,506 --> 01:51:26,096 to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully constructed lies." 1756 01:51:26,888 --> 01:51:27,888 Thomas Bach. 1757 01:51:27,931 --> 01:51:31,226 "To repudiate morality while laying claim to it. 1758 01:51:37,565 --> 01:51:40,986 To forget whatever it was necessary to forget..." 1759 01:51:42,612 --> 01:51:45,949 Join and support our fight for fair play. 1760 01:51:46,032 --> 01:51:50,871 Respect the rules, play fair, be clean. 1761 01:51:52,080 --> 01:51:54,374 "Then to draw it back into memory again 1762 01:51:54,457 --> 01:51:56,709 at the moment when it was needed..." 1763 01:51:56,793 --> 01:51:59,712 This decision is about justice. 1764 01:51:59,796 --> 01:52:03,299 Justice has to be independent from politics. 1765 01:52:05,010 --> 01:52:06,636 Hurrah! 1766 01:52:06,719 --> 01:52:09,514 Hurrah! 1767 01:52:09,597 --> 01:52:12,142 "And then promptly to forget it again." 1768 01:52:17,688 --> 01:52:20,483 Fails a drug test, is stripped of the gold medal... 1769 01:52:20,566 --> 01:52:24,737 "and above all, to apply the same process to the process itself." 1770 01:52:24,821 --> 01:52:26,715 Trying to make sure your testimony's clear. 1771 01:52:26,739 --> 01:52:31,036 How many times do I have to say it? I've never taken drugs. How clear is that? 1772 01:52:31,119 --> 01:52:33,496 Okay. I think it's clear. 1773 01:52:33,579 --> 01:52:36,082 "And if all others accepted the lie, 1774 01:52:36,166 --> 01:52:39,127 then the lie passed into history and became truth." 1775 01:52:40,420 --> 01:52:42,630 We've never had a doping program in Russia. 1776 01:52:42,713 --> 01:52:47,260 This is just impossible, unthinkable. We would never do something like that. 1777 01:52:47,343 --> 01:52:50,847 I don't even recall the name of that citizen who defected, 1778 01:52:50,931 --> 01:52:55,268 the one who ran the Russian anti-doping lab. 1779 01:52:55,351 --> 01:52:57,979 "Even to understand the word 'doublethink' 1780 01:52:58,063 --> 01:53:00,606 involves the use of doublethink." 1781 01:53:00,690 --> 01:53:03,734 We are now able to put the findings of the first report 1782 01:53:03,819 --> 01:53:05,904 into sharper and clearer focus. 1783 01:53:05,987 --> 01:53:11,242 I can confirm, for years, that spectators have been deceived. 1784 01:53:12,202 --> 01:53:13,744 The desire to win medals 1785 01:53:13,829 --> 01:53:18,249 superseded their collective moral and ethical compass, and Olympic values... 1786 01:53:18,333 --> 01:53:20,668 I was doing in parallel two things 1787 01:53:20,751 --> 01:53:24,714 which canceled out each other in being fully contradictory. 1788 01:53:30,303 --> 01:53:31,930 Doping and anti-doping. 1789 01:53:36,684 --> 01:53:40,105 It was pure, exact doublethink. 1790 01:53:44,817 --> 01:53:46,444 I was like a slave. 1791 01:53:49,906 --> 01:53:51,574 Slavery was my freedom... 1792 01:53:56,579 --> 01:53:57,914 till the end. 1793 01:54:11,511 --> 01:54:12,637 So... 1794 01:54:17,142 --> 01:54:18,142 truth. 143314

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