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So, Wilken is no different. 10 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:04,360 When he starts off killing, strangling. 11 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:05,960 It's all about the control. 12 00:01:05,960 --> 00:01:09,520 Later, he becomes more aroused, more brazen. 13 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:33,120 (dramatic music) 14 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:40,240 ♪ Beware of the wolves my baby ♪ 15 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:45,080 ♪ They're spying for love ♪ ♪ From the porch tonight ♪ 16 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:50,840 ♪ And as the light begins to dim ♪ ♪ They'll start the skinning ♪ 17 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:55,600 ♪ Of your innocent body ♪ ♪ Naked in the night ♪ 18 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:59,440 ♪ So come and shine your light ♪ 19 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:07,960 ♪ Ooh, ooh ♪ ♪ Ooh, ooh, ooh ♪ 20 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:12,400 ♪ Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh ♪ 21 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:15,840 ♪ Shine your light ♪ 22 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:29,120 (bell tolling) 23 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:33,040 (Giada) Stewart Wilken was, for me, one of the first prominent cases. 24 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:35,080 In that batch with people like the Station Strangler 25 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:36,760 Moses Sithole, the Norwood Rapist. 26 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:38,960 He was very much part of that cluster, 27 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:43,160 and killed in a way that had quite bizarre elements. 28 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:45,200 Wilken's uniqueness as a serial killer, 29 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:49,120 starts in one very specific place and that's with his victimology. 30 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:50,880 So Wilken was the only serial killer, 31 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:54,080 at the time that took two groups of victims. 32 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:55,920 Generally, a serial killer would focus, 33 00:02:55,920 --> 00:03:01,040 or fixate on one sort of victim, either maybe females or prostitutes, 34 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:02,800 children if he's a paedophile, 35 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:06,240 or then homosexuals, males, if he's gay. 36 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:09,840 I'm being sexist in saying that, but I mean, most serial killers are men. 37 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:21,520 (dramatic music) 38 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:27,440 So, his victimology was two categories of people. 39 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:31,760 Taking of children, boys, sodomising them, murdering them. 40 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:34,880 Again, doing to them what was done to him 41 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:36,480 and then also the hatred towards women, 42 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:40,800 which he festers around his first wife, Lynne. 43 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:43,560 You know, it's the desertion, the prostitution on her part 44 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:46,960 which made him feel like he wasn't good enough. 45 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:52,280 The constant theme in his statement of... 46 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:55,320 the fact that these prostitutes are charging him money for sex, 47 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:57,720 and he believes that the fact that he was given a penis 48 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:01,360 and they have a vagina, constitutes that he should have sex for free 49 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:03,080 from any woman he wants. 50 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:06,400 If a woman asks him money for sex, she's stealing from him. 51 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:12,480 (indistinct chatter) 52 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:20,760 (Gérard) So, it's now January 1991. 53 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:23,680 Wilken is at the Red Lion Hotel which is a well-known, 54 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:27,280 infamous bar hotel in the north end of Port Elizabeth. 55 00:04:27,280 --> 00:04:29,440 And he meets 29-year-old, adult female, 56 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:31,480 coloured, sex worker, Mercia Papenfus. 57 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:42,560 (tense music) 58 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:46,640 (tape cassette player whirring) 59 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:32,040 (Gérard) And at one point, as they're cutting through the park 60 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:34,520 he says to her, he wants to have sex here. 61 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:41,040 (Gérard) She then decides to demand the payment up front for the deed 62 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:43,040 which he then decides he's not gonna do. 63 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:46,320 (Gérard) And he actually says, in a statement 64 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:50,960 I'm not going to pay a whore money for sex with the vagina 65 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:53,720 that God gave her, and a penis that God gave me. 66 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:58,560 And essentially, what he does, is he forces her down 67 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:00,960 takes off some of her clothing, and strangles her. 68 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:17,200 (choking/gasping) 69 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:22,120 (Gérard) And only once she's dead, 70 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:24,800 does he then end up having sex with her. 71 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:28,760 And by all accounts, this is the first time we know that 72 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:31,600 Wilken actually commits necrophilia, which is something that 73 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:34,760 will become synonymous with many of his future victims. 74 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:41,960 (melancholy music) 75 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:59,560 (Veronica) This is the midday news, with Veronica Fourie. 76 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,280 Another body has been found in St George's Park 77 00:07:02,280 --> 00:07:04,320 in central Port Elizabeth. 78 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:08,960 This time, a woman was found naked and strangled to death. 79 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:12,360 Local authorities are asking the community not to panic 80 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:15,520 amidst growing concern of a serial murderer 81 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:18,840 aptly known as the St George's Park killer. 82 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:21,640 The body is yet to be identified. 83 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:26,720 (ominous music) 84 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:31,080 (Derrik) St George's Park. So much history. 85 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,640 I never picked up on that, at that time. 86 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:36,120 I mean, we picked up on it later 87 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:39,480 but there was two murders which took place and they-- 88 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:42,640 It seems at some time, that it would have been, 89 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:45,080 the first time that two murders had been conducted 90 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:47,600 in a very close proximity to each other. 91 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:50,840 And obviously, the press jump on that 92 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:55,320 and start looking at it as a possible copycat murders 93 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:57,840 or same person killing in the same area. 94 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:01,480 And that would have led to the name St George's Park killer. 95 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:07,880 (Brett) The 1990s was a remarkable time to be living in South Africa. 96 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:09,520 I will never forget it, 97 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:13,760 simply because there were these incredible events happening, 98 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:16,600 almost every week, every month. 99 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:20,400 You had the euphoria of the successful transition 100 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:24,480 to democracy, the release of Mandela, 101 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:27,400 and the democratic elections. 102 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:32,920 And then, of course, in 1995, the Rugby World Cup, 103 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:35,240 which was an incredible time. 104 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:41,160 The sense of cohesion among South Africans of all cultures, 105 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:43,600 was incredible. There was absolute joy. 106 00:08:44,680 --> 00:08:49,080 There was so much to be thankful for, and so much to be happy about. 107 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:52,240 And things were changing in our country. 108 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:54,000 We weren't the pariahs of the world. 109 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:59,320 We were this nation that had made a success out of evil. 110 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:01,040 And here we were. 111 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:06,160 But in fact, there was a layer of evil remaining. 112 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:07,880 And this was very evident, 113 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:12,160 in some horrible crimes that were taking place. 114 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:14,520 There were these mass killings. 115 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:18,000 And it was quite incredible to think that at this time where 116 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:22,880 the country was celebrating so much there was a state of euphoria, 117 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:26,080 over so much to be thankful and happy about. 118 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:30,000 And yet, there was this underbelly of horror. 119 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:33,160 And this came out in various ways. 120 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:38,920 Certainly with the Station Strangler, and Moses Sithole, the ABC killer. 121 00:09:41,680 --> 00:09:44,400 (Anchor) Police arrested Mr Sithole after they staked out 122 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:47,720 an industrial area in Benoni late last night. 123 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:49,920 (Gérard) Around about 1994, as a result of 124 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:52,360 the Station Strangler series in Cape Town, 125 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:54,480 where young children were being murdered, 126 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:56,600 and the Moses Sithole, well at the time, 127 00:09:56,600 --> 00:10:00,040 called the ABC serial murders in Pretoria and Johannesburg, 128 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,920 that the police started to bring in a capacity 129 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:06,360 to assist with investigations of a more psychological nature. 130 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:10,080 (Giada) Was serial murder a new phenomenon in the '90s? 131 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:12,960 There's two schools of thought. The one says, well, it was. 132 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:15,200 And there's sociological theory around change 133 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:17,240 and what was going on politically. 134 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:19,520 But what we also noticed during Apartheid 135 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:23,160 there was a focus on certain kinds of activities, 136 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:25,560 which meant that cases of serial murder might have been missed 137 00:10:25,560 --> 00:10:30,080 because it wasn't the priority for policing agencies in the country. 138 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:31,600 (Gérard) Law enforcement, probably across the world 139 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:34,280 wasn't seen as this forward thinking entity. 140 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:36,600 So the idea of bringing in, sort of, psychology 141 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:40,480 to understand crime scenes and offenders, was very alien. 142 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:44,280 (Derrik) So the Station Strangler case had taken place. 143 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:46,440 Top-notch guys, but we weren't trained in 144 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:48,560 serial killing investigations, so, 145 00:10:48,560 --> 00:10:51,640 at the end of the day, they only got him on one case. 146 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:54,360 But I think by then the phenomena of serial murder 147 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:57,000 and serial homicide, had showed its face in South Africa 148 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,360 and we needed to-- to catch up. 149 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:03,200 So General "Suiker" Britz took over the unit from, 150 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:05,320 I think it's General Krappies Engelbrecht at the time. 151 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:07,640 Except every general always brought his own new standard 152 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:09,600 or his own new thing into the units. 153 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:12,600 "Suiker" Britz brought in Dr Micki Pistorius. 154 00:11:13,680 --> 00:11:16,520 (Micki) I'm never really very far from it. 155 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:19,240 Um, it's never bothered me. It's interesting. 156 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:21,600 I'm a scientist, I look at it scientifically. 157 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:24,080 Even still in lots of law enforcement agencies in the world today, 158 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:26,800 there's no such thing as a profiling unit like, you know, 159 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:29,000 we've had since the mid-90s. 160 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:31,520 So in that sense, it was quite forward thinking 161 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:35,240 that we need a different way to understand these types of criminals. 162 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:39,400 Maybe parallel to that was the times changing in South Africa 163 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:41,280 you know, that we need to be more modern. 164 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:45,560 And, you know, Micki just decided that this is something worthwhile. 165 00:11:45,560 --> 00:11:48,080 (Derrik) So, at one point, Micki chose 28 guys. 166 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:50,920 Most of the guys they picked were advanced, experienced investigators, 167 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:52,680 but she'd also heard of this murder case 168 00:11:52,680 --> 00:11:56,360 so, my name had somehow ended up on her desk. 169 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:58,840 I was one of the 28 that were initially trained. 170 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:02,000 (Micki) Psychological profiling. 171 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:07,840 Getting into the mind of the serial killer. That is your goal. 172 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:09,480 (Gérard) At the time, Dr Pistorius was the head 173 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:12,280 of the Investigative Psychology section, which, of course, 174 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:15,000 is intimately involved in serial murder cases. 175 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:16,960 They realised they had to have some kind of a capacity 176 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:19,320 to help understand these types of criminals. 177 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:21,320 (Micki) Now how to build the profile. 178 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:23,960 (Gérard) How these types of criminals think typically, 179 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:27,240 how they behave, what can we expect from them in the future, 180 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:29,720 what kind of person would be committing these crimes? 181 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:33,200 (Micki) You need to become the serial killer. 182 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:39,440 Because that leads us straight to behavioural analysis. 183 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:41,680 (Derrik) The training with Micki was something to behold. 184 00:12:41,680 --> 00:12:43,400 I understood psychology. My mother loved it. 185 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:46,320 It was never my forte when I was younger. 186 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:49,200 So, now to be suddenly subjected to these things like 187 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:52,960 Freudian psychosexual development as a cop. We were like, "Jeez". 188 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:55,320 Some of the guys were like, "This is a lot of kak." 189 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:57,800 "How's this ever gonna help us catch anybody?" 190 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:00,880 But I think, personally, I was quite in awe with it 191 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:04,560 because there was stuff there, I knew no one in my division or unit, 192 00:13:04,560 --> 00:13:06,360 had ever spoken about. 193 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:08,640 With Micki's training it was really the first time in our lives 194 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:12,480 we had the FBI stuff that was introduced to us. 195 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:48,560 In the case of the ABC Killer, Moses Sithole, 196 00:13:48,560 --> 00:13:51,440 there was an incredible urgency 197 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:56,280 which is why Micki Pistorius got the help of someone like 198 00:13:56,280 --> 00:14:00,800 Colonel Robert Ressler, who was a former FBI agent, 199 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:02,720 who had been involved in serial killer cases 200 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:06,560 in the United States, like Jeffrey Dahmer, and Ted Bundy. 201 00:14:06,560 --> 00:14:09,120 You know, when does this FBI agent come and help out 202 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:11,520 with catching a South African serial killer? 203 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:15,240 (Robert) In the States, probably the top one would be the John Gacy case 204 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:18,240 who killed 33 young men over a period of five years. 205 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:21,000 The Jeffrey Dahmer case. 206 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:25,560 The young man that was cannibalising people in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, 207 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:27,880 and David Berkowitz the Son of Sam Killer, 208 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:30,760 and I guess you could name a few more, you know. 209 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:35,680 (Derrik) Colonel Robert Ressler was a former military police officer 210 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:38,520 who, in his own career, had come across serial killing. 211 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:42,040 So, he went to the FBI, and at one point became part of 212 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:45,240 the FBI divisions and he brought this phenomena of serial killing 213 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:47,600 to the attention of the FBI authorities. 214 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:50,800 Behind that thin facade is a very dangerous individual 215 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:52,920 who is a charmer, a manipulator. 216 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:54,360 (Derrik) They didn't understand enough about it, 217 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:56,920 and they wanted to learn. So, they went into the prisons and they 218 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:59,960 started talking to the serial killers that had been convicted. 219 00:14:59,960 --> 00:15:02,880 Edmund Kempers, Bundy's, Jeffrey Dahmer. 220 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:04,440 Asking them questions, 221 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:07,280 trying to gather as much information and intelligence. 222 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:10,880 So in 1995, after our training took place 223 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:13,200 the big case at that time was Moses Sithole. 224 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:15,840 (Derrik) The guys were battling to catch him. 225 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:17,960 So, it was decided to bring him over to profile 226 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:20,120 and to just talk to the investigation team 227 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:24,840 and give them some tips and ideas on how to actually catch Sithole. 228 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:28,320 (Robert) What is a serial killer? 229 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:30,520 (Gérard) So when Ressler came back 230 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:32,560 after assisting with the Moses Sithole case 231 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:35,600 he came back to present training to the South African Police. 232 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:37,840 Derrik, who was stationed at one of the Murder and Robbery units 233 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:40,920 in Port Elizabeth, was then selected to be one of the representatives 234 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:43,120 to join that initial training. 235 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:46,360 And of course, just exposed them to I think, sort of, a lot of 236 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:49,760 mind-blowing stuff for a South African detective at those times. 237 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:54,720 (Derrik) So the training in '96 took place in Paarl, in Cape Town, 238 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:57,040 South Africa, with Robert Ressler and Thomas Miller 239 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:59,080 who was FBI in Europol. 240 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:01,760 And basically it was intense because they were teaching us 241 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:06,960 how to assess crime scenes from their perspective. Showing us real cases. 242 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:10,560 Cases where he'd been called into by the local police, to consult on. 243 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:13,280 So, the thing that we really liked about it was 244 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:15,360 they were cops, they weren't psychologists. 245 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:17,120 They had the psychological element 246 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:19,640 but they were looking at things from a different perspective 247 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:23,760 and giving us intel like, distances from where the guys would kill 248 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:26,600 what to look for, entrance into the crime scene. 249 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:29,520 (Robert) ..victims and he approached them at their condo. 250 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:31,320 (Derrik) There're two types of killers, like your organised 251 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:33,040 and your disorganised guy. 252 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:36,600 So your organised killers are more a Ted Bundy type personality. 253 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:39,760 He can live amongst the community. 254 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:43,280 He could be married, he's got a family, he's got a job. 255 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:44,760 And then you get your disorganised guy, 256 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:46,720 which we would basically call insane. 257 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:48,720 So he's one of the guys that goes into a place, 258 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:51,320 kills three women, chops them up, puts them in the pots 259 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:53,280 cooks them, and then eats some of them. 260 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:58,160 I think for me, the highlight of the training was I got to-- 261 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:01,000 Because I met Ressler in '95 in Joburg when he was doing the 262 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:04,400 profile for Sithole, I got to drive him around a lot and take him-- 263 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:06,160 So after, he wasn't presenting 264 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:08,320 when Thomas was presenting some of the time 265 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:11,480 I would take him and drive him around to places in Cape Town. 266 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:16,080 So the one story, he went into the prisons 267 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:18,200 and he was speaking to different serial killers 268 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:22,080 interviewing them and getting information for the VICAP system. 269 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:26,200 And he had Edmund Kemper. So Edmund Kemper, is like, a six foot six guy. 270 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:28,880 I think he killed his grand-parents when he was about 11. 271 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:31,160 Murders his mom, his aunt, cuts their heads off, 272 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:32,720 buries them under the windowsill, 273 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,200 and then kills quite a few other students, etc. 274 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:38,320 But he's a big, big guy. So Ressler is interviewing the guy 275 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:41,120 and then at one point the shift change in prison takes place 276 00:17:41,120 --> 00:17:43,680 and then Kemper says to him, "Mr Ressler, do you realise 277 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:46,720 the guards are gonna be gone for about 30 minutes to 45 minutes 278 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:48,000 before they come back? 279 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,040 Just think about it, I mean, if I rip your head off, 280 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:52,120 you're the Head of the FBI Behavioural Science Unit, 281 00:17:52,120 --> 00:17:54,320 and I kill you, and when they come back, 282 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:56,880 they find your head on, like, the chair stuck over there. 283 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:58,560 Think how funny that's gonna be. 284 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:02,720 Ressler says he went from being interrogator or interviewer, 285 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:07,200 to hostage negotiator, negotiating for his own life. 286 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:09,360 It was quite a funny anecdote, but it's... 287 00:18:09,360 --> 00:18:10,880 it's just the way it is with these guys, you know. 288 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:12,680 You like, if-- At one minute you're on top 289 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:16,160 and the next moment you could find yourself at the bottom very quickly. 290 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:19,720 So what we find with the overwhelming 291 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:22,360 majority of serial murderers in South Africa 292 00:18:22,360 --> 00:18:25,040 is that their preferred method of killing their victims, 293 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:26,320 is by strangulation. 294 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:30,080 Whether that be, manual strangulation with their hands 295 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:33,000 or using an item of clothing belonging to the victim. 296 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:35,400 So that begs the question, why is it that, at least 297 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:38,960 South African serial murderers choose that particular way of doing it? 298 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:42,560 And I think, it's probably mostly 299 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:46,200 got to do with that personal sense of 300 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:49,520 literally power and control over someone else's life. 301 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:54,160 There's nothing in between you and the person that you're killing 302 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:56,920 if you're using your hands, or manual strangulation. 303 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:01,280 (Giada) It's also quite a prolonged way of killing someone. 304 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:04,680 It's not instant, like with a bullet or even a lethal stab wound. 305 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:09,240 So the individuals that choose it, really want to enjoy it. 306 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:11,520 And it's almost wanting to prolong that moment 307 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:13,840 of having control over life or death. Because at any point, 308 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:16,240 he knows he can stop and the person will live. 309 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:28,160 (Gérard) Wilken definitely said that he felt in power, in control, 310 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:31,080 he felt like God, while he was strangling his victims. 311 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:34,560 And very much linked to that was the sexual arousal it gave him. 312 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:37,800 When you would see the person's eyes like, sort of popping out 313 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:39,640 or their tongue starting to sort of stick out 314 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:41,800 and he called it the "jelly bean effect". 315 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:45,080 Also, what he did admit to doing is 316 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:46,880 very often going back to the crime scene 317 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:49,080 once the police had discovered the body 318 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:52,120 and being in the crowd, observing what they're doing. 319 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:57,520 So, that's often, also for us, we say a sign of power and control, 320 00:19:57,520 --> 00:19:59,800 that I'm right here. I killed this person. 321 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:04,040 Everybody's here because of me, right now. The bystanders, the police 322 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:06,160 but I'm the one that did it and nobody knows. 323 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:26,720 (Derrik) I'm sure they fought back, 324 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,280 but he was able to overcome them quite easy. 325 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:32,000 You know, put control over them get them down on the ground, 326 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:35,200 and basically throttle the life out of them, breaking their necks, 327 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:39,160 or throttling them to death, which takes real human strength. 328 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:43,520 (Sidney) When I met him the first time in the cells, 329 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:48,600 you could see he had that presence about him that says, 330 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,320 "I know I can handle myself. 331 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:54,520 You know, I'm not scared of you because you're a policeman." 332 00:21:56,720 --> 00:22:00,600 During the years with Narcotics branch my experience was, 333 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:05,720 you had the soft users the people that could use, and he'd enjoy it 334 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:09,320 in the sense that it took him to a happy place and that was it. 335 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:16,280 But quite often, we also dealt with people 336 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:20,360 that if you were to wake him up from his, 337 00:22:20,360 --> 00:22:24,120 let's call it, drug-infused stupor or whatever, 338 00:22:24,120 --> 00:22:26,520 you could see, this person doesn't know where he is now. 339 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:29,600 And it took quite a while to start recognising 340 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:33,480 but not really remembering what happened before that. 341 00:22:40,360 --> 00:22:43,680 (Sidney) Very often, you're dealt with a person that 342 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:47,680 the use of it simply enhanced the aggression in him, 343 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:49,640 the strength of that person. 344 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:52,760 Long users, obviously, 345 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:57,040 it breaks down a lot of your abilities 346 00:22:57,040 --> 00:23:01,960 and you can quite possibly become a real, real mean piece of work. 347 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,160 (groaning) 348 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,160 (laughing) 349 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:13,280 (Sidney) I can quite easily believe that in the case of Mr Wilken 350 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:18,400 he, because of the using, engaged in certain acts that, 351 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,160 either he doesn't remember it or which normally, 352 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:25,000 he wouldn't have had the ability or the-- I don't want to say guts, 353 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:26,960 but maybe guts is a good word, 354 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,840 he would not have had the guts to do it otherwise. 355 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:36,840 (Derrik) From Wilken's killing spree, we see that in the 1991 murders 356 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:41,080 from St George's Park, to 1995, there's a clear cooling-off period. 357 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:44,240 So these cooling-off periods are synonymous with serial killers. 358 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,080 Generally, when they're finding themselves in a happy space. 359 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:52,200 On the 27th of July 1995, Wilken kills again. 360 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,840 This time, he takes his depravity to the next level. 361 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:11,320 (indistinct singing) 362 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:14,320 (ominous music) 363 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:39,240 (dramatic music) 364 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,960 (indistinct arguing) 365 00:26:13,120 --> 00:26:17,120 (indistinct shouting) 366 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:41,240 (dramatic music) 367 00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:00,760 (Derrik) This is the renowned Red Lion Hotel. 368 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:06,280 In its heyday, it was the place to be for the industrial employee. 369 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:11,280 Midday we had really good bar lunches, and a nice game of pool. 370 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:12,600 So we would, from time to time, 371 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,000 frequent this place for a beer, or so. 372 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:19,080 So if you were in for a fight or you wanted to test your strength, 373 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:20,760 you were in the right place. 374 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:24,040 We'd fight regularly here and it was quite a tough environment. 375 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:29,440 The ladies of the night would use this as a launching pad 376 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:33,160 or a place where they would frequent and stand around here. 377 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,240 I once actually asked what was the going rate at the time 378 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,360 and I think they said 100 or 50, or something to that effect. 379 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,560 Some of the girls a bit more, but I think it would have been 380 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,720 probably his ruse at R50 for a street child 381 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:49,160 or a woman that's prostituting herself or on drugs. 382 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,320 It's a lot of money if you've got nothing to eat. 383 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,600 So easy pickings for someone with his intentions. 384 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,800 Maybe offer them food, alcohol, 385 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,520 get a bottle of booze to go with it, some drugs. 386 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:04,040 That would have been the way he was able to easily manipulate 387 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:08,040 people that are at the bottom end of the food chain and 388 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:09,760 suffering to survive. 389 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:17,520 In the pre-'94 disposition, a woman would be arrested for prostitution. 390 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,480 So generally, when you're talking about victimology 391 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,720 taking a prostitute is probably one of your safer bets. 392 00:28:24,360 --> 00:28:27,760 Because they're not going to go to the cops. 393 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:33,080 In the Zweni case, we know that she was working around this area 394 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,680 when Wilken took her, and she was with a friend. 395 00:28:37,360 --> 00:28:41,360 (ominous music) 396 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,800 -(Prostitute) Hello. -(Boetier Boer) Hello, hello. 397 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,880 -Okay. -(Boetie Boer) I'll take care of you. 398 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,960 (Prostitute) No, just do your thing. 399 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,040 (Derrik) At some point, the one prostitute feels uncomfortable 400 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:13,080 with the situation, and decides she's leaving, 401 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:16,000 but poor Georgina is suffering from a gimp leg 402 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,000 from a vehicle accident she'd had, 403 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,520 some time earlier and she can't get away. 404 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,760 -(dramatic music) -(Georgina) Let go, let go! 405 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:33,160 (indistinct chatter) 406 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,600 (Georgina) No, no, no. I don't like this. 407 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,840 I need my money. Give me my money. Give me my money. 408 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,480 (Derrik) A fee is discussed for the sexual deed, 409 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,880 and Wilken eventually gives her the money. 410 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:59,000 Um, on arrival in the park, when the sex is about to start 411 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,320 she takes the money and lays it underneath her body 412 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,800 and then lies down to avail herself for sex. 413 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:11,320 (sinister music) 414 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,640 (door opening) 415 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:03,160 (Officer) I need him to come down to the Mount Road police station. 416 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:08,920 (Officer) We need him to come down, as soon as possible. 417 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,800 (sombre music) 418 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,960 -(Georgina groaning) -(Boetie Boer panting) 419 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:30,240 (Boetie Boer grunting) 420 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,160 which literally means, "I really enjoyed it 421 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,800 as her body started to shudder, as she was dying." 422 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:40,600 But then he does something, that he hasn't done 423 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:42,520 in any of his previous cases. 424 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,440 He always carries a knife with him, being a fisherman, 425 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:49,080 and he decides in this particular instance to cut off the nipples, 426 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:52,720 on both breasts and the external part of her vagina, 427 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,000 and he eats them, at the actual scene. 428 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:59,000 (sinister music) 429 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,400 (tape cassette player whirring) 430 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,120 So, there can be various reasons for cannibalism. 431 00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,480 In this case, it's not 100 percent sure. 432 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,480 He said for example, that he just wanted to see 433 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,520 what these things tasted like. 434 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:36,360 So was it again a bizarre form of experimentation? 435 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,960 Perhaps one could psychologically argue the organs that 436 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:43,080 represent the female, you know, the breasts and the vagina. 437 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:47,960 (Giada) There's also something around, 438 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,600 wanting to take that person in, in some way. 439 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,120 It's almost per se, saying, it's not enough that I kill you. 440 00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:57,560 I'm actually gonna chew you up, and break you up into bits. 441 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,280 Not only feeling like they've got power over life and death 442 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:04,400 but that they are not subject to social buy-in and conventional-- 443 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,400 The rules of society that enable us to live together. 444 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:11,600 That's positioning themselves as outsiders, and beyond the rules. 445 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,240 And we can go back to this idea that, 446 00:36:14,240 --> 00:36:17,480 you know, they become the gods of their own world. 447 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:24,000 (ominous music) 448 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,000 (Derrik) The next morning, a young student, 449 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,440 which would have been a college student, 450 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:39,000 on his way to one of the nearby colleges walking through the park, 451 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:43,600 tranquil thoughts, discovers this woman, lying naked, body parts cut. 452 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,320 I mean, just think of a young student now walking there 453 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,360 contemplating writing a test, or an exam, 454 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,680 thinking about his day ahead, and then 455 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:57,360 being faced with this tremendous... 456 00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:00,720 tremendous, horrific scene. We have words like "evil", 457 00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:04,600 and we use those kind of words to try and explain this sort of phenomena. 458 00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,200 But I don't even think "evil" captures it properly. 459 00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,240 It's a life that's completely empty. 460 00:37:10,240 --> 00:37:13,720 Who just hates society, hates his life, hates his existence. 461 00:37:13,720 --> 00:37:16,080 He's able to then, do whatever he wants to someone 462 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:19,240 that's incapable of defending themself or helping themself. 463 00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:09,720 (ominous music) 464 00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:58,680 (sombre music) 465 00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:49,320 (dramatic music) 466 00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:29,480 (dramatic piano music) 467 00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:35,000 (Gérard) So, now we find by the end of the '80s, 468 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,160 things are not going well for Wilken. 469 00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,320 His, sort of marriage to Lynne, 470 00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,760 has sort of unravelled to a large degree. 471 00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:45,840 He's already started up a second family with Veronica, 472 00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:50,120 a young coloured woman from Helenvale area, in Port Elizabeth, 473 00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:53,040 and he literally seems to be bouncing between the two families. 474 00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:56,320 Sometimes he's staying here, sometimes he's staying here. 475 00:41:07,240 --> 00:41:09,680 (Derrik) So, Wilken told me privately, that 476 00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:13,280 the reason he changed from a white woman, Lynne, to a coloured woman, 477 00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,040 was he was scared that he would meet his sister, 478 00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,040 come across her in public life 479 00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:19,800 and fall in love, and have sex with her. 480 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:23,120 So to prevent that from happening, he went to a woman of colour. 481 00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,600 (Derrik) The reality of the truth might be that these people that 482 00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,600 he was mixing with, were in much lower socio-economic groups, 483 00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:53,800 and he could manipulate them a lot easier and be able to do more, 484 00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:55,480 and move around freely, 485 00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,920 leave them on their own for long periods of time, 486 00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,360 which gave him the room to kill, murder, 487 00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,080 and do what else he was up to. 488 00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:39,840 (Derrik) So Wilken's family dynamics were of such a nature that 489 00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:43,800 his first wife Lynne had a child from her previous marriage, 490 00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,960 and for all we know, the initial relationship 491 00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:48,760 with her was good and favourable. 492 00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:52,240 But once Wuane was born, it seems that the focus on Wuane 493 00:42:52,240 --> 00:42:53,960 was everything for Stewart 494 00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:57,520 and he almost forgot about the other little girl. 495 00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:03,840 (film camera whirring) 496 00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:17,160 (dramatic music) 497 00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:49,960 (melancholy music) 43547

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