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America in the '60s and '70s
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was defined by chaos.
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Senator John F. Kennedy
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is the 34th president
of the United States.
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The flare-ups between
whites and Negroes.
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The escalating war
in Vietnam.
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Struggle with the communists.
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An oil crisis
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that resulted
in the rationing of gasoline.
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The lines
are lengthening,
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supplies are dropping,
and reports--
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Demands for
women's liberation.
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Equal education and
job opportunities, equal pay.
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A growing civil rights movement
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and a general distrust
of institutions
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like organized religion and
government with a capital "G,"
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these defined the times.
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Rioting in
a Negro section of Los Angeles.
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Profound changes
to cultural norms
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created intense anxieties,
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leading many
to fear that society,
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as we knew it,
was falling apart.
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The largest generation
in history,
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the Baby Boomers,
were coming of age.
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And that youth quake
shook the world
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as millions of teens
and young adults
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took to the streets
protesting the war,
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demanding equal rights
for women...
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- Women!
- ...and joining the fight
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for civil rights.
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Struggle together
to go to jail together,
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to stand up for freedom...
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This episode
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of Blumhouse's Compendium
of Horror
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looks at how films of the era
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reflected the real
and tangible change
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the Baby Boomers demanded
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and how a new generation
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of auteur directors
and their films...
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President Kennedy
has been shot in Dallas.
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...pushed the envelope
of what was acceptable.
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It has been established that
persons who have recently died
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have been returning to life.
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I think if I had to come up
with my Mount Rushmore
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of horror directors,
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you'd be like
John Carpenter,
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Wes Craven.
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Tobe Hoover definitely belongs.
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Definitely got to be Romero.
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Night of the Living Dead
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is in my DNA and in the genetics
of my work, as well,
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because, you know, you've got
George Romero going like,
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"You know, we got two bucks,
and we got a field.
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Let's make a zombie movie."
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Boy, you used to really
be scared here.
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Johnny!
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You're still afraid.
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Stop it now. I mean it.
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They're coming to get you, Barbara.
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I was scared
in my mom's basement,
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this one back part
of her basement.
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It was a damp and dark place,
and that's where I used to go
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to fire up an old projector
and watch old reels of film.
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One day, I found this old print
of this movie
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that I'd never
obviously heard of.
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I guess I was about seven.
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And it was
Night of the Living Dead.
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My mom found me like,
I don't know,
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end minutes
before the end of the movie
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and tried to, you know,
turn it off.
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But by that point,
I was fucked.
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Good Lord.
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It took me a long time
before I was cool
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to go back in the basement.
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And then I realized
what my dad did.
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I realized
the creativity of it all.
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To me, it was like it was
the first time
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I ever really kind of
had an understanding
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of what he did as an artist.
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And I think most good directors
that really have a grasp
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of the medium can do horror.
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And now that
they're becoming venerable
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in the eyes of the studio
and so forth,
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a lot of those people
are going into it.
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The idea that corpses
could come back to life
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as bodies without souls
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originated in 19th century
Haitian folklore.
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Stories of the dead
being reanimated
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usually involves some form
of religious ceremony,
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such as voodoo.
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These stories of the undead
walking the earth,
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along with a book
called I Am Legend,
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inspired director
George A. Romero
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to turn those concepts
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into the flesh eating,
slow-moving zombie
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that shocked audiences
in Night of the Living Dead.
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I had met George Romero.
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We were on a family vacation,
and we were in Italy.
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My Love for
Night of the Living Dead
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had sort of reached
its pinnacle.
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I'm happily typecast in a genre
that I've always loved.
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And I have an opportunity
to work on Day of the Dead.
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Day of the Dead was one
of the greatest experiences
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that I had ever had.
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I mean, talk about just being
plucked from a little kid
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in his basement, watching horror
movies, to standing next
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to one of the greatest horror
directors of our generation.
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And watching him film
a zombie movie and being in it.
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I was actually in it, too.
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I got decapitated.
My head came back to life.
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I mean, I could have retired
at 19, for fuck's sake.
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Aah!
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I remember George Romero
talking about movies
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and the roller coaster ride,
the adrenaline.
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You know, you have people that
may not want to ride
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a roller coaster for real,
but they'll go see a movie
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and they'll go on
the same journey.
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Night of the Living Dead
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is probably one of the few films
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that actually gave me nightmares.
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Saw it at a horror festival.
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It was a couple of years
after it came out.
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So it already had a reputation.
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It was heavy.
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It was that really crude
black-and-white photography
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which gave it an almost
semi documentary feel
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and made it feel more realistic.
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That's what really got to me.
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The Night of the Living Dead
made money
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and lots of it.
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Shot for just $114,000,
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the movie grossed
more than 12 million
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during its initial
release alone.
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To hype the movie,
a $50,000 insurance policy
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was offered to anyone
who died of a heart attack
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watching the film.
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A marketing stunt
that made seeing the movie
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an irresistible test of courage
for true horror fans.
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Night of the Living Dead was
groundbreaking for everything.
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They made a movie in a town
where movies weren't made.
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They bucked the system,
and they showed people images
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that made every
single person in 1968
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who saw those images uncomfortable
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at a molecular level.
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Horror films to that point
were cause and effect.
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Actions have consequences.
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Then here, these guys
come with this film
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that you could just be in the
wrong place at the wrong time,
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get bit, and the next thing you
know, whoever you trusted
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with your life and your heart
and your spirit was now
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turning on you and was
a creature that was going to
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not only kill you
and eat you...
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...but turn you
into another one.
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The notion of
the dead not dying,
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coming back and turning you
into a dead person,
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infecting you with more death.
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This zombie looks like
your fucking girlfriend
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or your husband who just died.
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And then they're going
to wake up,
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and they're going to
try to eat you,
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and then you're going
to fucking die,
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and then you're going
to become one.
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Relatively new notion.
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There are a lot of choices
that people have to make
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in the zombie
apocalypse mythology.
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I'm sorry, Mum.
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Do it!
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And when you realize
that surviving
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means having to do things
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that you couldn't imagine
that you would have to do,
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and what this kind of thing
does to a person,
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it just shows you
the drastic change
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that people can undergo
when dealing
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with these tremendous
outside circumstances.
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And the distrust,
man's distrust for other men.
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Obviously,
Night of the Living Dead
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is a very, you know, low budget,
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but it's about the beginning
of the breakdown of society.
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We have to look at
the different iterations
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that have been put on screen
of the, you know,
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post-apocalyptic living,
whether it's, you know,
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Mad Max, or 28 Days Later.
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George Romero had
a great handle on,
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you know, the decay of society.
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Ideas for the the zombie films
that I've done anyway,
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the idea always comes first.
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I have to know
what the movie's about
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because they're not
really movies about zombies.
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I mean, the zombies are almost
just minor annoyances, you know?
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It was an extremely
turbulent time,
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and the civil rights movement
was huge, and Vietnam was huge.
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And the film itself
is just chock full of messaging
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about all of that.
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But the messaging about it
that I personally took away
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was that times were changing.
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Night of the Living Dead
was released in the fall of '68
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when America was experiencing
profound tragedy and change
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in the area of civil rights.
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Just six months earlier,
Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
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had been assassinated
in Memphis.
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The reaction in the streets
was swift and furious
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because equality seemed
more unattainable than ever.
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Horror films had always
put social tensions
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front and center,
and George Romero's choice
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to put a Black male lead
in his movie
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sent a loud and clear message.
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To actually have
a Black protagonist
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in Night of the Living Dead
was pretty cool.
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It was pretty revolutionary.
We had never seen it before.
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And a heroic Black character.
I mean, he was the hero.
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He was the only one
that knew what was going on.
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The cellar is
the strongest place.
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You box yourself
in the cellar
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and those things get
in the house, you've had it.
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At least up here,
you have a fighting chance.
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You know,
usually in a horror film,
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the Black folks
are the first to go.
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There were a lot of instances
where George had said,
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"Look, I cast Duane Jones
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because he was
the most talented actor
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that he had met at the time.
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You know, was George
subliminally telling a story
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by putting a Black man
in the lead?
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Subsequently, all of George's
movies from that point on
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had an African-American lead
and a female lead, you know.
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So whether it was by accident
or subliminal,
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George definitely
was making a statement.
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Night of the Living Dead
definitely changed
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the horror genre
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because it kind of stretched
what's permissible.
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You didn't see so much
viscera in movies.
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You know,
it definitely unleashed
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what was possible visually.
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You know, you could now
see intestines being pulled out
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and being eaten up by a zombie.
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Now you could see
the possession of a child.
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The idea of the evil child,
the demon child,
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you know, that little girl,
she comes back
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after she'd been killed,
and she comes back
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and tries to eat her mother
in the basement.
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Oh, baby.
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So that made a lot
of things permissible.
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In the '60s, there was
a huge trend in the occult.
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You had people
leaving the church.
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Church membership was down.
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People were saying
they were atheists.
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You had a godless Catholic
in the White House.
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I mean, people hated
that JFK had been Catholic.
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That was like viewed
with such alarm across America
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that this invidious
pope worshiper
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was in the White House.
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Suddenly it seemed
like all religious faith
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was up for grabs in America.
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It wasn't the country we told
ourselves we thought it was.
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Hail Satan!
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Hail Satan!
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We weren't just a country
of white Protestant men.
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There were women
who wanted rights.
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There were Black people
who wanted rights.
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There were Catholics, there were
Jews, there were Hindus.
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There were all these
other people out there.
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It was terrifying
to white people.
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And so Rosemary's Baby really
jumps in with all four feet
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right on that pressure point.
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Oh, that's nice. What is that?
That's the TV room?
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Well, only temporarily.
It's going to be a nursery.
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- Oh, you're pregnant?
- No, not yet.
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I hope to be
as soon as we're settled.
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Wonderful!
Well, you're young and healthy.
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You'll have lots of children.
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At their most basic,
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horror movies
have been allegories
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for the fight
between good and evil.
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Rosemary's Baby
was no exception,
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opening in theaters
in the summer of what turned out
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to be a pivotal year in history
and in the movies, 1968.
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Women were on the march,
rejecting marginalization
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and demanding
that their voices be heard.
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They were moving into
corporate offices, boardrooms,
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and into the political
center of power.
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Against that backdrop
of societal change,
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Rosemary's Baby was
a sophisticated horror film
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that reflected the paranoia
of the era
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and asked complex questions
about female autonomy,
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marital abuse,
and the role of women
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in a rapidly changing world.
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I've spoken pretty openly
about the fact
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that I am somebody
who can speak back to the screen
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when Rosemary's Baby
is playing.
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It's a cornerstone film for me
for so many reasons,
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but I just find it
that deeply entertaining.
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This is for you
from Roman and me.
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For me?
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It's just a little present
is all, for moving in.
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There's no reason--
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Real old.
It's over 300 years.
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And scary for a lot
of different reasons.
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It's lovely.
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You know, not just about sort of
the literal story,
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but for all of the subtext
I think underneath it.
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In Rosemary's Baby,
director Roman Polanski
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used themes of religion
and the occult as a backdrop
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for questioning
the role of women in society.
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Rosemary's Baby kind of came
out of nowhere in '67.
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Before, movies were gothic stuff
from Hammer,
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vampires in Ancient Europe,
Victorian Times,
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old timey places.
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Universal Monsters.
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On TV was The Addams Family,
The Munsters,
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laugh track horror.
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We don't want any child
of ours going to school
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and being stared at.
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With Rosemary's Baby,
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you suddenly had
this contemporary horror story
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set in modern-day New York.
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He's an actor.
She's a homemaker.
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They're young kids in love,
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living in an identifiable, recognizable,
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modern-day setting.
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With Satan.
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This is no dream.
This is really happening!
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I have a memory of just feeling
like this movie is unreal.
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You know, I mean, Ruth Gordon.
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Are you kidding me?
This performance.
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Listen, I won't let you go
to no Dr. Hill,
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nobody ever heard of.
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The best is what you're going
to have, young lady.
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Where's your
telephone, huh?
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Just the vividness
of the filmmaking.
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The assuredness
of every passage, every shot.
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I still watch it with a sense
of awe. I really do.
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Dr. Hill prescribed
vitamin pills.
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No pills. Minnie Castevet
has a herbarium.
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I'm gonna have her make
a daily drink for you
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that will be fresher,
safer, and more vitamin-rich
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than any pills on the market.
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Rosemary's Baby is about
the complete lack of autonomy
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and control that a woman
and or women societally
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have over their bodies.
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I think just the general feeling
of powerlessness
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in Rosemary's Baby,
how no one would listen to her,
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how she was constantly
being gaslit,
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how she was listening
to these men,
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and as a result, literally
gave birth to the devil.
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I just remember that pervasive
feeling of like,
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"No one will listen to me,"
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being something that
really shook me emotionally.
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Has an under taste.
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A chalky under taste.
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I don't get it.
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00:18:20,403 --> 00:18:23,413
That's silly, honey.
There is no under taste.
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I think Rosemary's Baby
is haunting
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because, one,
this is her husband,
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the person
she's supposed to trust
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more than anyone in the world,
who's supposed to love her.
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The dismissive pat on the head
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and extreme gaslighting
behavior on stark display
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in Rosemary's Baby were
all too familiar to women
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ignored by their bosses,
and even by their own husbands.
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Like all the best horror films,
Rosemary's Baby was
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a resonant, riveting echo
of its time and its portrayal
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of a vulnerable woman exploited
and betrayed by the men
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she trusted made
an indelible impression.
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A scene that I love in which
late in the game,
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Rosemary realizes,
"Oh, my God, something terrible
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is happening to me."
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And she goes to her
original gynecologist,
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played by Charles Grodin,
and begs for help.
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And maybe all of this
is coincidence.
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But one thing is for sure.
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They have a coven,
and they want my baby.
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Certainly seems that way.
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And he listens to her,
and he's really patient,
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and he says,
"Why don't you lie down?
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You must be exhausted.
I'm going to get you some help."
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And he leaves,
and you see her say,
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00:19:36,697 --> 00:19:39,867
"Okay, little Andy or Jenny,
we're going to be okay.
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This nice man is
going to help us."
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00:19:42,790 --> 00:19:44,750
God bless Dr. Hill.
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And then she wakes up
from her nap.
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And similar to
The Texas Chainsaw Massacre
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scene I love so much,
she is returned to her captors.
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And you realize that
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whether Charles Grodin
was in on a scheme
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00:20:05,334 --> 00:20:08,644
or just simply thinks any woman
with this story
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must be utterly insane, he has
done the absolute wrong thing.
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00:20:12,994 --> 00:20:16,134
And that moment is like
the fulcrum of the whole movie.
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Somebody help me!
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I think it's a great allegory
for sort of
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the "my body, my choice" fight
that has been happening forever.
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I think the most brilliant thing
about Rosemary's Baby
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and why it stood
the test of time
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00:20:29,619 --> 00:20:31,879
is because we're still fighting
for control over our own bodies.
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That is a fight that is sadly
still going on to this day.
395
00:20:35,103 --> 00:20:37,583
The early '60s were
when back-alley abortions
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00:20:37,714 --> 00:20:39,894
were sort of the unmentioned
elephant in the room.
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Reproduction was huge in
the '60s and in the '70s,
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00:20:44,417 --> 00:20:47,807
and, in fact, you had a ton
of childbirth horror coming out,
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00:20:47,942 --> 00:20:50,682
and a lot of that finds its
roots with Rosemary's Baby.
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I won't have
an abortion.
401
00:20:52,816 --> 00:20:54,906
Nobody's telling you
to have an abortion.
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00:20:55,036 --> 00:20:57,256
Just go to see another
doctor, that's all.
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00:20:57,386 --> 00:20:59,946
Films like Carrie
or Rosemary's Baby
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00:21:00,084 --> 00:21:06,874
are films often made by men
that are struggling with
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00:21:07,004 --> 00:21:11,574
the notion of femininity
and femaleness,
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as both societally and then,
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00:21:14,534 --> 00:21:17,414
for some of the filmmakers,
personally monstrous.
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00:21:17,537 --> 00:21:20,757
Rosemary's Baby
was not only a reflection of
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00:21:20,888 --> 00:21:23,408
America's reaction
to the women's movement,
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00:21:23,543 --> 00:21:26,293
but a reflection on director
Roman Polanski himself.
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00:21:28,548 --> 00:21:31,898
Polanski's subsequent
statutory rape charge
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00:21:32,029 --> 00:21:34,729
and flight from America
sent many women back
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00:21:34,858 --> 00:21:37,248
for a second look at the film
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about the takeover
of women's bodies.
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So there's something
really interesting to me
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00:21:43,084 --> 00:21:47,314
about seeing those filmmakers
forcing themselves
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00:21:47,436 --> 00:21:51,306
to be empathetic
with female characters
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and a female point of view
and female experience.
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00:21:54,051 --> 00:21:57,011
With women demanding
power in society
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and in their homes, horror films
continue to grapple with that
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shift by taking it
into the spiritual realm.
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00:22:04,932 --> 00:22:08,462
The graphic depiction
of demonic possession
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unnerved a country
steeped in religious belief.
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00:22:12,113 --> 00:22:16,473
The Exorcist was ahead
of the cultural curve
425
00:22:16,596 --> 00:22:19,636
with its depiction of
God versus the devil
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00:22:19,773 --> 00:22:23,523
in a spiritual fistfight
for the soul of a child.
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00:22:23,646 --> 00:22:26,996
And audiences, already
questioning the role of religion
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00:22:27,128 --> 00:22:31,438
in modern society,
well, they were ready.
429
00:22:31,567 --> 00:22:34,347
For me, 'cause I was
an old Catholic kid,
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00:22:34,483 --> 00:22:38,273
the devil will still always
be the absolute worst
431
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,920
because the devil
could be anybody,
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00:22:41,055 --> 00:22:42,665
and the devil
is a supernatural force.
433
00:22:42,796 --> 00:22:45,016
Well, then let's
introduce ourselves.
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00:22:45,146 --> 00:22:47,276
- I'm Damien Karras.
- And I'm the devil!
435
00:22:47,409 --> 00:22:49,719
Now kindly
undo these straps.
436
00:22:49,846 --> 00:22:51,196
If you're the devil,
why not make
437
00:22:51,326 --> 00:22:52,626
the straps disappear?
438
00:22:52,762 --> 00:22:56,422
That's a much too vulgar
display of power, Karras.
439
00:22:56,549 --> 00:22:59,939
I think I saw the original
Exorcist in a theater,
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00:23:00,074 --> 00:23:03,034
which is still, to this day,
one of my favorite horror movies
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00:23:03,164 --> 00:23:05,784
ever because of the approach
that they took.
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00:23:09,997 --> 00:23:13,517
They were like, "This is real.
I'm Friedkin,
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00:23:13,653 --> 00:23:16,873
very intense filmmaker,
and I'm going to hire
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00:23:17,004 --> 00:23:19,754
like Ellen Burstyn as the
mother, who is a completely
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00:23:19,876 --> 00:23:21,396
believable actress,
446
00:23:21,530 --> 00:23:23,840
like Academy Award-winning
type actress.
447
00:23:23,967 --> 00:23:25,527
I'm gonna put her
in this horror film."
448
00:23:25,665 --> 00:23:27,925
As a Catholic, I wasn't allowed
to watch The Exorcist
449
00:23:28,058 --> 00:23:30,448
because it would possess me.
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00:23:30,583 --> 00:23:34,943
So by the time I recovered
from Catholicism, I watched it,
451
00:23:35,065 --> 00:23:38,545
and I go, "Oh, yeah. I can see
how this messed up some people."
452
00:23:42,899 --> 00:23:44,069
The first time I saw it,
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00:23:44,205 --> 00:23:45,285
I actually
went to see it in the theater.
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00:23:45,424 --> 00:23:48,914
It's a super scary movie
to see in a theater.
455
00:23:49,036 --> 00:23:50,856
And one of the most
shocking moments in my life
456
00:23:50,994 --> 00:23:53,214
in a horror movie
is when she does the spider walk
457
00:23:53,344 --> 00:23:55,044
down the stairs.
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00:23:55,172 --> 00:23:56,652
And I remember starting
to see it.
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00:23:56,783 --> 00:23:59,833
And then the next thing I know,
I'm standing on my seat
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00:23:59,960 --> 00:24:01,880
in the theater, like, crouched.
461
00:24:02,005 --> 00:24:04,565
Like, I don't know how I got
there or how fast it happened.
462
00:24:04,704 --> 00:24:07,884
But I remember my friend,
he's like, "Get down."
463
00:24:08,011 --> 00:24:09,671
And I was like, "Where--
Where am I? What happened?
464
00:24:09,796 --> 00:24:10,966
How long have I been out?"
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00:24:11,101 --> 00:24:14,281
Which is like, I don't know if
that's flight--
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00:24:14,409 --> 00:24:16,019
it's flight, I think.
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00:24:16,150 --> 00:24:19,020
It's freeze.
I would have--
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00:24:19,153 --> 00:24:20,943
The tiger would have eaten me.
469
00:24:21,068 --> 00:24:24,638
I was 10, eleven years old
when The Exorcist came out.
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00:24:24,767 --> 00:24:28,547
Everything about The Exorcist
felt like it was happening
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00:24:28,684 --> 00:24:31,174
in the house next door to me,
and that was terrifying.
472
00:24:31,295 --> 00:24:33,425
And that was what was terrifying
for most people.
473
00:24:33,559 --> 00:24:36,129
I mean, there were lines
around the block.
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00:24:36,257 --> 00:24:39,867
Despite being banned
by most organized religions,
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00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:41,610
including the Catholic Church,
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00:24:41,741 --> 00:24:45,531
The Exorcist was a commercial
and critical success,
477
00:24:45,658 --> 00:24:48,358
partly because it was
so subversive at a time
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00:24:48,487 --> 00:24:52,187
when Americans were questioning
their own spiritual beliefs.
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00:24:52,316 --> 00:24:55,926
The Exorcist won two Oscars
and placed horror films
480
00:24:56,059 --> 00:24:58,149
and horror fans
into the mainstream.
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00:24:58,279 --> 00:25:00,539
You know, walking backwards
down the stairs,
482
00:25:00,673 --> 00:25:02,723
making a kid's head turn around
and stuff like that.
483
00:25:07,070 --> 00:25:07,900
Vomiting pea soup.
484
00:25:08,855 --> 00:25:10,805
Ah!
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00:25:10,944 --> 00:25:13,034
All of that shit
is pretty horrifying.
486
00:25:13,163 --> 00:25:15,213
But, you know,
I don't even think
487
00:25:15,339 --> 00:25:17,989
you have to be Catholic
to truly be unnerved.
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00:25:18,125 --> 00:25:23,865
The taboos that were explored
in the early '70s,
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00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,220
no one ever would have
imagined a movie like
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00:25:26,350 --> 00:25:29,960
The Exorcist,
that explored the violation
491
00:25:30,093 --> 00:25:32,663
of a 12-year-old girl
by this demon
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00:25:32,792 --> 00:25:35,532
and everything that it did
for the Catholic Church.
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00:25:35,664 --> 00:25:37,324
Well, we as Catholics,
we were told every week,
494
00:25:37,448 --> 00:25:38,798
"You're not allowed
to go see that movie."
495
00:25:38,928 --> 00:25:40,538
And I don't know
a single Catholic
496
00:25:40,669 --> 00:25:42,019
that didn't fucking eventually
go see that movie.
497
00:25:46,675 --> 00:25:48,975
The Exorcist is
considered the scariest
498
00:25:49,112 --> 00:25:51,772
horror film ever made because it
strikes into the heart
499
00:25:51,898 --> 00:25:54,938
of a very religious country.
500
00:25:55,075 --> 00:25:57,245
You know, that's the last thing
we want to do is mess with
501
00:25:57,381 --> 00:25:59,381
the devil and have it show up
in our homes.
502
00:25:59,514 --> 00:26:01,864
That's why we put, you know,
the crucifix on the wall.
503
00:26:01,995 --> 00:26:04,075
That's why we go to church.
504
00:26:04,214 --> 00:26:07,004
And then when it just shows up
because a demon wants to have
505
00:26:07,130 --> 00:26:10,130
a good time, it's super scary.
506
00:26:10,264 --> 00:26:12,964
I feel The Exorcist
hit the nerve that it did
507
00:26:13,093 --> 00:26:16,753
because at that time, nobody had
seen anything like it.
508
00:26:16,879 --> 00:26:20,669
At that point, people found
a lot of comfort in religion.
509
00:26:22,058 --> 00:26:24,318
And now all of a sudden,
this movie comes out
510
00:26:24,452 --> 00:26:30,942
that's like-- people's beliefs
were being stirred in terms of,
511
00:26:31,067 --> 00:26:34,677
oh, why would a God let
something like that happen?
512
00:26:34,810 --> 00:26:37,810
And in such a dramatic
and horrific fashion.
513
00:26:42,296 --> 00:26:44,596
The 1960s
introduced America to
514
00:26:44,733 --> 00:26:48,653
the counterculture movement
and the hippies.
515
00:26:48,781 --> 00:26:51,831
America's youth wanted change,
and the hippie movement,
516
00:26:51,958 --> 00:26:54,608
well, they wanted it yesterday.
517
00:26:54,743 --> 00:26:57,703
Young people protested against
the Vietnam War.
518
00:26:57,833 --> 00:27:00,053
They rebelled
against commercialism.
519
00:27:00,183 --> 00:27:02,363
And they fought sexism
and racism.
520
00:27:02,490 --> 00:27:05,150
They pushed the needle
of progress so far
521
00:27:05,275 --> 00:27:08,095
that it made their
parents' generation squirm.
522
00:27:08,235 --> 00:27:10,055
And what the hell's
the matter with you kids?
523
00:27:10,193 --> 00:27:12,503
But if the hippies saw
love and peace
524
00:27:12,631 --> 00:27:14,941
as the goals of their movement,
525
00:27:15,068 --> 00:27:19,158
older, more traditional
Americans saw chaos.
526
00:27:19,289 --> 00:27:22,949
And after Charles Manson
and his murderous family,
527
00:27:23,076 --> 00:27:25,596
even evil in the movement.
528
00:27:25,731 --> 00:27:28,341
The 1960s were
incredibly idealistic.
529
00:27:28,472 --> 00:27:31,262
There was the idea that
the world really could change
530
00:27:31,388 --> 00:27:32,828
because this new generation
of young people
531
00:27:32,955 --> 00:27:36,085
who thought so differently,
they were going to be in charge.
532
00:27:36,219 --> 00:27:38,349
And by the time
we get into the '70s,
533
00:27:38,482 --> 00:27:42,272
the system is fritzing wildly.
534
00:27:42,399 --> 00:27:44,049
They were rebelling
against the government.
535
00:27:44,184 --> 00:27:45,664
They were rebelling against war.
536
00:27:45,794 --> 00:27:47,324
They were rebelling
against racism.
537
00:27:47,448 --> 00:27:48,928
They were rebelling
against everything
538
00:27:49,058 --> 00:27:51,058
that we continue
to rebel against.
539
00:27:51,191 --> 00:27:53,411
There was an insanity
in the air.
540
00:27:57,545 --> 00:28:02,715
There were always serial killers
throughout time,
541
00:28:02,855 --> 00:28:05,985
from Jack the Ripper
and centuries before, I'm sure.
542
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,029
But it was somehow,
I don't know,
543
00:28:08,164 --> 00:28:10,124
it was in the air in the '70s,
544
00:28:10,253 --> 00:28:15,563
whether it was Son of Sam
or a chainsaw massacre
545
00:28:15,694 --> 00:28:17,264
or the Hillside Strangler.
546
00:28:17,391 --> 00:28:19,051
Like, it was out there.
547
00:28:19,175 --> 00:28:20,735
There were people out there.
548
00:28:20,873 --> 00:28:24,753
And The Hills Have Eyes
and I Spit on Your Grave
549
00:28:24,877 --> 00:28:28,227
perfectly bring the horror of
war and the chaos of war
550
00:28:28,358 --> 00:28:30,188
to your front door.
551
00:28:30,317 --> 00:28:33,097
And they show you
that there is no escaping
552
00:28:33,233 --> 00:28:36,983
from the unseen evil
in your neighbor.
553
00:28:37,106 --> 00:28:39,326
You know,
in the mid to late '70s,
554
00:28:39,456 --> 00:28:41,546
horror movies
were very punk rock.
555
00:28:41,676 --> 00:28:43,156
There was an edge to them.
556
00:28:43,286 --> 00:28:46,986
Most of them are made with
no money in that era whatsoever.
557
00:28:47,116 --> 00:28:48,546
You know,
Texas Chainsaw Massacre
558
00:28:48,683 --> 00:28:51,953
is like, it puts Clerks
to shame in terms of,
559
00:28:52,078 --> 00:28:53,948
like, use of minimal budget.
560
00:28:59,085 --> 00:29:01,435
Like Psycho before it,
561
00:29:01,565 --> 00:29:05,175
The Texas Chainsaw Massacre
is believed to be based
562
00:29:05,308 --> 00:29:07,828
on the true crimes
of a serial killer.
563
00:29:07,963 --> 00:29:11,363
And the origin of Leatherface
could also be traced back
564
00:29:11,488 --> 00:29:16,278
to the violence inflicted by the
Butcher of Plainfield, Ed Gein.
565
00:29:16,406 --> 00:29:18,836
The Texas Chainsaw Massacre
was cheap to make
566
00:29:18,974 --> 00:29:21,244
and grossed millions
in its first run.
567
00:29:21,368 --> 00:29:23,498
Low-budget indie films
took note.
568
00:29:23,631 --> 00:29:25,151
I love Texas Chainsaw Massacre
569
00:29:25,285 --> 00:29:27,065
because it is like,
we've got no money,
570
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:28,330
but we'll scare
the hell out of you.
571
00:29:28,462 --> 00:29:30,382
It is very proto Clerks for me.
572
00:29:30,507 --> 00:29:32,247
If they don't make that movie,
573
00:29:32,379 --> 00:29:34,289
I don't get inspired
to make mine, even though
574
00:29:34,424 --> 00:29:35,864
they're two completely
different subject matters.
575
00:29:35,991 --> 00:29:39,731
Oh, my God. The scariest movie
I've ever seen, hands down,
576
00:29:39,865 --> 00:29:41,945
is Tobe Hooper's
Texas Chainsaw Massacre.
577
00:29:44,870 --> 00:29:50,050
I remember being shaken
to my core by that film.
578
00:29:52,312 --> 00:29:53,922
And it's definitely
one of those movies
579
00:29:54,053 --> 00:29:59,893
you don't feel the artifice or
the seams of filmmaking,
580
00:30:00,015 --> 00:30:02,795
though it's an extremely
sophisticated movie.
581
00:30:02,931 --> 00:30:08,111
You feel sort of just like
plopped in real life
582
00:30:08,241 --> 00:30:11,161
in some horrible way.
583
00:30:11,287 --> 00:30:14,857
That movie really stuck with me
and stays with me,
584
00:30:14,987 --> 00:30:17,027
and I consider it one of the
greatest horror films ever made.
585
00:30:19,905 --> 00:30:22,515
Generated by sensational coverage
586
00:30:22,646 --> 00:30:25,476
of anonymous serial killers
that seem to be lurking
587
00:30:25,606 --> 00:30:29,476
in every suburban neighborhood,
a polarized America was becoming
588
00:30:29,610 --> 00:30:32,530
increasingly frightened.
589
00:30:32,656 --> 00:30:37,266
That sense of dread
had movie fans primed for films
590
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:41,970
that brought the faceless,
senseless, evil killer to life.
591
00:30:45,017 --> 00:30:49,057
Tobe Hooper elevates the art
form in this incredible way
592
00:30:49,195 --> 00:30:51,325
and makes a movie so terrifying
593
00:30:51,458 --> 00:30:54,588
that any time I try
to make a horror movie,
594
00:30:54,722 --> 00:30:56,382
that's the movie
I was trying to make.
595
00:30:56,506 --> 00:30:58,986
When I tried to do Red State,
596
00:30:59,118 --> 00:31:02,078
that's me trying to do
Texas Chainsaw Massacre.
597
00:31:02,208 --> 00:31:03,908
When I tried to make Tusk,
598
00:31:04,036 --> 00:31:06,336
I was trying to do
Texas Chainsaw Massacre.
599
00:31:06,473 --> 00:31:08,303
That movie still lives
in my heart and soul.
600
00:31:08,431 --> 00:31:09,741
It's a movie I still
watch once a year.
601
00:31:09,868 --> 00:31:11,388
It still fucking works.
602
00:31:11,521 --> 00:31:16,141
The mastery of what Tobe did
was that he made it completely
603
00:31:16,265 --> 00:31:19,655
on what you thought
was happening.
604
00:31:19,790 --> 00:31:21,310
It was considered
the most violent film ever made.
605
00:31:21,444 --> 00:31:22,494
But there's no blood in it.
606
00:31:22,619 --> 00:31:25,539
woman screams ]
607
00:31:25,666 --> 00:31:28,926
And then just the title alone,
Texas Chainsaw Massacre.
608
00:31:29,061 --> 00:31:31,721
You know, you're expecting
to see massacre by chainsaw,
609
00:31:31,846 --> 00:31:32,976
but you don't see it.
610
00:31:33,108 --> 00:31:35,368
You know, so it's
a pretty subtle film.
611
00:31:35,502 --> 00:31:37,372
When I think of
Texas Chainsaw Massacre,
612
00:31:37,504 --> 00:31:41,424
I definitely identify
with the kids in the van.
613
00:31:41,551 --> 00:31:43,811
And I look at the world
out there
614
00:31:43,945 --> 00:31:45,985
that you're just driving
cross-country,
615
00:31:46,121 --> 00:31:49,301
minding your business, and there
is fear of everyone else.
616
00:31:49,429 --> 00:31:53,429
A genuine xenophobia
that I have experienced
617
00:31:53,563 --> 00:31:55,913
when I'm driving in any town
where I don't know people,
618
00:31:56,044 --> 00:31:57,924
but I don't know
what evil lurks there.
619
00:32:00,222 --> 00:32:04,362
The film was so successful
because it went to dark places
620
00:32:04,487 --> 00:32:07,227
that other films just
weren't gritty in capturing.
621
00:32:09,449 --> 00:32:11,319
There was a conspiracy of evil
622
00:32:11,451 --> 00:32:13,891
so that you could walk
into a spider's web
623
00:32:14,019 --> 00:32:16,499
where everyone agreed
that this was okay.
624
00:32:16,630 --> 00:32:17,810
You know,
not just Leatherface,
625
00:32:17,936 --> 00:32:20,546
but ma and pa and everybody
and the sheriff
626
00:32:20,677 --> 00:32:22,937
and whoever you run into
were part of it.
627
00:32:23,071 --> 00:32:24,461
What could be more terrifying
than that?
628
00:32:27,597 --> 00:32:31,077
I think Leatherface is scary
because he's made of flesh.
629
00:32:35,431 --> 00:32:38,171
That's dried skin that he's sewn
a face together to wear.
630
00:32:38,304 --> 00:32:39,704
It's really terrifying.
631
00:32:39,827 --> 00:32:42,697
It sort of predates
Hannibal Lecter in that regard,
632
00:32:42,830 --> 00:32:45,490
and we'd just never
seen that before.
633
00:32:45,615 --> 00:32:47,565
Leatherface is scary because
he's dumb and he just--
634
00:32:47,704 --> 00:32:49,624
he's told what to do
and he does it.
635
00:32:49,750 --> 00:32:52,360
So it's really-- he's a tool
for this family that
636
00:32:52,492 --> 00:32:53,712
makes him do terrible things.
637
00:32:56,452 --> 00:32:59,412
Clearly Leatherface
is kind of a tragic character.
638
00:32:59,542 --> 00:33:01,852
I mean, he's obviously
mentally disabled
639
00:33:01,980 --> 00:33:04,110
in some sort of capacity.
640
00:33:07,724 --> 00:33:09,604
You know, he's not having fun
either, you know.
641
00:33:09,726 --> 00:33:11,766
Like, he's being abused
just as much.
642
00:33:11,902 --> 00:33:14,562
You know, like his family are
the real evil ones
643
00:33:14,688 --> 00:33:15,988
because they're abusing Leatherface.
644
00:33:16,124 --> 00:33:18,474
And, you know, I don't think
Leatherface on his own
645
00:33:18,605 --> 00:33:20,865
would have necessarily
been a murderer.
646
00:33:20,999 --> 00:33:22,299
He's also pretty funny.
647
00:33:22,435 --> 00:33:23,735
I mean, like, there's that
sequence where they're
648
00:33:23,871 --> 00:33:28,221
getting ready for dinner,
and he changes his skin mask
649
00:33:28,354 --> 00:33:30,314
to be like the mother figure.
650
00:33:30,443 --> 00:33:31,443
You know, when he's
putting out dinner,
651
00:33:31,574 --> 00:33:33,234
he's got lipstick on
and everything.
652
00:33:33,359 --> 00:33:34,929
It's like there's a real sick,
653
00:33:35,056 --> 00:33:38,016
hilarious sense of humor
to that movie.
654
00:33:38,146 --> 00:33:41,146
Internationally,
the film was a success
655
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,460
despite being banned
in more than a dozen countries,
656
00:33:44,587 --> 00:33:48,587
including France,
Brazil, and Australia.
657
00:33:48,722 --> 00:33:53,422
Its success was a combination
of fear of the killer next door
658
00:33:53,553 --> 00:33:57,993
and the humor of an inside joke.
659
00:33:58,123 --> 00:34:00,473
Horror films were like
a relief valve
660
00:34:00,603 --> 00:34:03,433
for the tensions Americans
were feeling in 1974,
661
00:34:03,563 --> 00:34:06,043
when the film was released
as the U.S.
662
00:34:06,174 --> 00:34:09,664
was winding down
yet another war.
663
00:34:09,786 --> 00:34:11,396
I think that wave
of horror movies
664
00:34:11,527 --> 00:34:14,097
with Texas Chainsaw Massacre,
I Spit On Your Grave,
665
00:34:14,226 --> 00:34:16,576
and The Hills Have Eyes
all did follow the Vietnam War.
666
00:34:16,706 --> 00:34:19,576
I don't think you could
separate one from the other.
667
00:34:19,709 --> 00:34:25,759
Vietnam was such an ugly,
bloody, nonsensical, chaotic war
668
00:34:25,889 --> 00:34:27,369
that I think all of those films
669
00:34:27,500 --> 00:34:29,460
sort of lived
in the undertow of it.
670
00:34:29,589 --> 00:34:31,629
I mean, I think
Texas Chainsaw Massacre
671
00:34:31,765 --> 00:34:35,325
depicts a world
where we are witnessing
672
00:34:35,464 --> 00:34:38,554
what it means
to lose our humanity
673
00:34:38,685 --> 00:34:42,115
and to no longer see
other people's humanity.
674
00:34:42,254 --> 00:34:44,654
And to know that Tobe Hooper
was making that movie
675
00:34:44,778 --> 00:34:49,128
and probably metabolizing
a lot of feelings about Vietnam,
676
00:34:49,261 --> 00:34:51,651
about what it means
to be an American,
677
00:34:51,785 --> 00:34:56,085
a patriot, an artist, a weirdo,
678
00:34:56,224 --> 00:34:57,884
all of those things
end up in that movie.
679
00:35:11,805 --> 00:35:13,585
The first time
I watched Carrie,
680
00:35:13,720 --> 00:35:17,120
my worst fears ever
were displayed on screen.
681
00:35:17,245 --> 00:35:19,765
You know, I think growing up
as a teenage girl,
682
00:35:19,900 --> 00:35:22,640
the absolute horror
of trying to fit in,
683
00:35:22,772 --> 00:35:25,822
of trying to belong amongst your
peers is already hard enough.
684
00:35:25,949 --> 00:35:28,469
But to then be sort of
like an outcast or a loser
685
00:35:28,604 --> 00:35:30,694
who's then horrifically
tricked into feeling
686
00:35:30,824 --> 00:35:32,434
like she finally belongs,
687
00:35:32,565 --> 00:35:35,125
only to be cruelly pranked
with pig's blood,
688
00:35:35,263 --> 00:35:38,833
that was not only horrifying,
like on a, you know,
689
00:35:38,962 --> 00:35:41,842
horror-genre level, but also
horrifying as a human being.
690
00:35:41,965 --> 00:35:46,835
Carrie is just a perfect
manifestation of how high school
691
00:35:46,970 --> 00:35:49,230
is a horror movie
in and of itself.
692
00:35:54,674 --> 00:35:57,204
It taps into this
very, very primal thing
693
00:35:57,329 --> 00:35:59,809
of being in high school
and how horrifying
694
00:35:59,940 --> 00:36:02,680
that can be,
how terrifying kids can be
695
00:36:02,812 --> 00:36:04,952
to other kids in high school.
696
00:36:09,950 --> 00:36:11,600
I was a child when
I saw Carrie,
697
00:36:11,734 --> 00:36:14,134
probably not when it came out,
698
00:36:14,259 --> 00:36:16,609
but when I was old enough
to be allowed to see it,
699
00:36:16,739 --> 00:36:18,219
and I was afraid
to go to high school,
700
00:36:18,350 --> 00:36:22,530
and it definitely didn't
calm my fears at all.
701
00:36:27,315 --> 00:36:29,535
Carrie is cool 'cause
that was the first book
702
00:36:29,665 --> 00:36:32,225
that Stephen King ever wrote.
703
00:36:32,364 --> 00:36:35,504
And I think, like, he threw it
in the garbage, and his wife
704
00:36:35,628 --> 00:36:36,718
took it out of the garbage.
705
00:36:36,846 --> 00:36:38,626
Did you know that?
706
00:36:38,761 --> 00:36:40,631
Maybe not the whole book,
but like a chunk of it,
707
00:36:40,763 --> 00:36:42,683
and thought it was so bad,
he threw it in the garbage,
708
00:36:42,809 --> 00:36:45,459
and his wife, like,
took it out of the garbage
709
00:36:45,594 --> 00:36:46,814
and was like,
"No, no, no, dude."
710
00:36:46,943 --> 00:36:49,823
Carrie was rejected
by 30 publishers
711
00:36:49,946 --> 00:36:55,076
before it was released in 1974,
becoming a runaway bestseller
712
00:36:55,213 --> 00:36:59,263
and catching the attention
of director Brian De Palma.
713
00:36:59,391 --> 00:37:02,701
This story has resonated
with generations of women
714
00:37:02,829 --> 00:37:04,869
looking for ways
to harness their power
715
00:37:05,005 --> 00:37:07,695
when they felt they were
at their most powerless.
716
00:37:07,834 --> 00:37:09,974
Carrie was quintessential
to my generation,
717
00:37:10,097 --> 00:37:12,747
and I loved it because,
as opposed to Rosemary's Baby,
718
00:37:12,882 --> 00:37:15,282
where it's about a woman
who has no agency over her body,
719
00:37:15,407 --> 00:37:18,707
Carrie is all about this
girl who is
720
00:37:18,845 --> 00:37:20,925
coming into her own power
while she's getting
721
00:37:21,064 --> 00:37:22,594
supernatural powers
and how she's going to
722
00:37:22,718 --> 00:37:26,548
take agency off her identity
and take control over her body.
723
00:37:26,679 --> 00:37:29,199
But in the most
precarious time there is,
724
00:37:29,334 --> 00:37:30,644
which is when you're
going through puberty
725
00:37:30,770 --> 00:37:33,640
as a teenage girl.
726
00:37:33,773 --> 00:37:35,603
My favorite scene of that
that I feel like encapsulates
727
00:37:35,731 --> 00:37:37,991
the movie is when-- you know,
she's 16, she's 17,
728
00:37:38,125 --> 00:37:40,645
she's in the shower, she gets
her period for the first time.
729
00:37:40,780 --> 00:37:43,170
Isn't she a bit
old for her, uh...
730
00:37:43,304 --> 00:37:45,184
Her first period.
731
00:37:45,306 --> 00:37:47,346
And then she's mocked mercilessly.
732
00:37:47,482 --> 00:37:48,402
But I don't know why
that should surprise us.
733
00:37:48,527 --> 00:37:51,967
I mean, knowing
that mother of hers.
734
00:37:52,095 --> 00:37:54,615
And I thought the sort of
thematic structure
735
00:37:54,750 --> 00:37:57,280
of showcasing this is the moment
she becomes a woman,
736
00:37:57,405 --> 00:37:59,885
only to be completely
rejected by her peers
737
00:38:00,016 --> 00:38:02,446
and then have them
pretend to love her.
738
00:38:04,978 --> 00:38:07,328
And then dump blood on her.
739
00:38:11,941 --> 00:38:13,601
I was like,
"Wow, this is every
740
00:38:13,726 --> 00:38:15,986
teenage nightmare
brought to life."
741
00:38:16,119 --> 00:38:19,379
And the fact that she has powers
and then can take control
742
00:38:19,514 --> 00:38:21,784
and give those motherfuckers
what they had coming to them,
743
00:38:21,908 --> 00:38:24,038
I was like, "This is a villain
I'm rooting for now.
744
00:38:24,171 --> 00:38:26,171
I want her to murder
all of them."
745
00:38:31,047 --> 00:38:32,917
Carrie was sort of
the first time you had a movie
746
00:38:33,049 --> 00:38:37,139
where your protagonist was also
your antagonist, so to speak,
747
00:38:37,271 --> 00:38:40,321
and you sympathized with Carrie
as a young teenage girl
748
00:38:40,448 --> 00:38:41,578
trying to find her way
through the world.
749
00:38:41,710 --> 00:38:44,230
We're all sorry
about this incident, Cassie.
750
00:38:44,365 --> 00:38:46,665
It's Carrie!
751
00:38:49,762 --> 00:38:52,032
But then you are also terrified
of her ability.
752
00:38:52,155 --> 00:38:53,675
Please sit and talk to me!
753
00:39:00,468 --> 00:39:04,248
And that movie is so special
because it's like a female
754
00:39:04,385 --> 00:39:06,685
lead character
who has super powers.
755
00:39:10,609 --> 00:39:11,519
Ah!
756
00:39:18,530 --> 00:39:21,100
I guess someone who maybe got
bullied in high school
757
00:39:21,228 --> 00:39:22,968
like plays into our fantasies
of like,
758
00:39:23,099 --> 00:39:24,839
what if I could do that?
759
00:39:24,971 --> 00:39:27,371
Carrie came along
at a time when
760
00:39:27,495 --> 00:39:31,665
internalized misogyny
was ingrained in our culture.
761
00:39:31,804 --> 00:39:33,944
The scene where Carrie's
protector blames her
762
00:39:34,067 --> 00:39:35,977
for not fitting in reflects
763
00:39:36,112 --> 00:39:38,422
a brutal reality
for too many women,
764
00:39:38,550 --> 00:39:42,340
a world in which they're not
just preyed upon by men,
765
00:39:42,467 --> 00:39:44,987
but are pitted
against each other.
766
00:39:45,121 --> 00:39:49,821
The coach wants to help Carrie,
and you see her say, you know,
767
00:39:49,952 --> 00:39:52,002
"If you put on a little mascara
768
00:39:52,128 --> 00:39:53,998
and we get you
a beautiful dress,
769
00:39:54,130 --> 00:39:55,870
you know, you're just going
to be so beautiful."
770
00:39:56,002 --> 00:40:00,702
And that's a pretty girl.
Look at your eyes.
771
00:40:00,833 --> 00:40:03,973
Little mascara to
bring it out. Little.
772
00:40:04,097 --> 00:40:06,267
Your lips.
Try some lipstick.
773
00:40:06,404 --> 00:40:07,714
You have nice, pretty lips.
774
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,020
And in some respects,
a lot of what she's saying
775
00:40:10,146 --> 00:40:13,366
is uncomfortably
mirroring the world
776
00:40:13,498 --> 00:40:15,108
that Carrie's in
in the first place,
777
00:40:15,238 --> 00:40:16,628
where it's kind of all about,
778
00:40:16,762 --> 00:40:20,422
well, if you were just pretty,
it would all get simpler.
779
00:40:20,548 --> 00:40:23,938
And that is then met
by the fact that she, too,
780
00:40:24,073 --> 00:40:28,733
is, consciously or not,
brutally killed in that gym.
781
00:40:28,861 --> 00:40:30,691
Carrie!
782
00:40:35,607 --> 00:40:38,387
Oddly enough, the film says
that being a teenage girl
783
00:40:38,523 --> 00:40:40,743
is really fucking hard
784
00:40:40,873 --> 00:40:44,533
and that anyone who has
the sort of callousness
785
00:40:44,659 --> 00:40:48,009
to reject people or bully people
who otherwise don't deserve it
786
00:40:48,141 --> 00:40:49,841
should probably be killed.
787
00:40:49,969 --> 00:40:52,929
Carrie, for instance,
is a story
788
00:40:53,059 --> 00:40:54,889
about a young girl
with a secret,
789
00:40:55,017 --> 00:40:56,847
and it's a great source of shame
and guilt for her.
790
00:40:56,976 --> 00:40:59,016
And she can't let anybody know.
791
00:40:59,152 --> 00:41:01,502
And she lives in terror of her
classmates finding out about it.
792
00:41:01,633 --> 00:41:04,463
And, I mean, Stephen King
even gave us a religious mother
793
00:41:04,592 --> 00:41:06,902
who's trying
to pray it out of her.
794
00:41:07,029 --> 00:41:09,899
I mean, what better allegory
for being gay?
795
00:41:10,032 --> 00:41:13,512
You know, and also,
I think for me as a gay man,
796
00:41:13,645 --> 00:41:16,335
I always bonded
with the final girl
797
00:41:16,474 --> 00:41:18,614
because she's such a survivor.
798
00:41:18,737 --> 00:41:22,737
But she's also the one
who has to fight for her life.
799
00:41:22,871 --> 00:41:23,921
And what gay man
doesn't understand
800
00:41:24,046 --> 00:41:26,086
the daily struggle of survival?
801
00:41:26,222 --> 00:41:27,442
Certainly for me,
growing up a small town,
802
00:41:27,572 --> 00:41:29,102
it was all about survival.
803
00:41:29,225 --> 00:41:31,835
So I truly bonded
with the final girl
804
00:41:31,967 --> 00:41:33,617
of all these horror movies.
805
00:41:33,752 --> 00:41:36,622
That's why I think I fell
in love with Jamie Lee Curtis.
806
00:41:44,589 --> 00:41:47,159
I did a TV series for
a year called
807
00:41:47,287 --> 00:41:49,857
Operation Petticoat,
and then I was fired.
808
00:41:54,642 --> 00:41:57,042
I thought my life was over.
It was a disaster.
809
00:41:57,166 --> 00:41:58,426
I was devastated.
810
00:41:58,559 --> 00:42:02,519
My manager said,
811
00:42:02,650 --> 00:42:05,830
"There's this low-budget
horror film being made.
812
00:42:05,958 --> 00:42:07,958
I've put you up for it."
813
00:42:08,090 --> 00:42:10,050
They wanted to
meet me for Laurie,
814
00:42:10,179 --> 00:42:16,399
the quiet, intellectual,
virgin, brainiac babysitter.
815
00:42:16,534 --> 00:42:19,324
I auditioned three times.
816
00:42:19,449 --> 00:42:22,279
The auditions took place
in John's office.
817
00:42:22,409 --> 00:42:23,539
The third audition,
I did the scene
818
00:42:23,671 --> 00:42:25,501
where Laurie's on the phone
with her friends.
819
00:42:25,630 --> 00:42:27,980
Annie, was that you?
820
00:42:28,110 --> 00:42:29,590
Of course.
821
00:42:29,721 --> 00:42:31,161
Why didn't you say anything?
You scared me to death.
822
00:42:31,287 --> 00:42:32,677
And then she hangs up,
823
00:42:32,811 --> 00:42:33,771
and then she looks out
the window and sees Michael.
824
00:42:33,899 --> 00:42:35,469
And then she talks
to herself and says,
825
00:42:35,596 --> 00:42:39,116
you know, "Don't be ridiculous,
this is ridiculous" whatever.
826
00:42:39,252 --> 00:42:42,732
And then somehow I got it.
827
00:42:42,864 --> 00:42:45,914
Jamie Lee Curtis,
she was perfect for the role.
828
00:42:46,041 --> 00:42:47,741
She was absolutely ready to go.
829
00:42:53,179 --> 00:42:56,179
She's really a fine actress.
And I'm really proud of her.
830
00:42:56,312 --> 00:42:59,052
All I knew was that it was
a part that my name was on
831
00:42:59,185 --> 00:43:02,135
every page and that I got
to actually not be me.
832
00:43:02,275 --> 00:43:03,485
So I got to actually create
a character.
833
00:43:03,624 --> 00:43:04,544
So I was thrilled about that.
834
00:43:04,669 --> 00:43:06,759
What about the boogeyman?
835
00:43:06,888 --> 00:43:07,848
There's no such thing.
836
00:43:07,976 --> 00:43:11,626
Halloween is an iconic film,
837
00:43:11,763 --> 00:43:13,723
hugely successful,
both at the box office
838
00:43:13,852 --> 00:43:18,382
and as an influence
on horror films to follow.
839
00:43:18,508 --> 00:43:23,818
The slasher movie often depicted
sexualized teenagers
840
00:43:23,949 --> 00:43:25,599
on the run from a faceless,
841
00:43:25,733 --> 00:43:31,573
deranged killer brandishing
a knife, chainsaw, or ax.
842
00:43:31,696 --> 00:43:35,046
But Halloween
deepened the mythology
843
00:43:35,177 --> 00:43:41,397
and planted its psychosexual
horrors directly in suburbia,
844
00:43:41,531 --> 00:43:44,581
exactly where much of America
was living.
845
00:43:44,709 --> 00:43:47,059
And as with all things Hollywood,
846
00:43:47,189 --> 00:43:49,189
a wave of slasher movies
hoping to be
847
00:43:49,322 --> 00:43:52,462
the next Halloween
soon followed.
848
00:43:52,586 --> 00:43:57,286
But Halloween represented
something new at that point.
849
00:43:57,417 --> 00:43:59,287
Think about your average
horror movie, right?
850
00:43:59,419 --> 00:44:02,249
Not the high concept ones
were the devil's involved
851
00:44:02,378 --> 00:44:04,158
or special effects
and stuff like that.
852
00:44:04,293 --> 00:44:06,643
Something as simple as like,
853
00:44:06,774 --> 00:44:10,134
hey, this lady's babysitting
and her friends are
854
00:44:10,256 --> 00:44:13,346
babysitting, and a psycho
has come to town.
855
00:44:13,476 --> 00:44:15,346
And he's gonna peer
in their windows
856
00:44:15,478 --> 00:44:17,568
and then maybe go in and kill
them in interesting ways.
857
00:44:22,747 --> 00:44:25,267
That don't fucking
cost anything.
858
00:44:25,401 --> 00:44:27,061
We didn't have any money
for Halloween.
859
00:44:27,186 --> 00:44:29,136
We didn't have anything.
860
00:44:29,275 --> 00:44:31,625
So we had to decide
what to do about this mask.
861
00:44:31,756 --> 00:44:33,626
It was written
as a Halloween mask,
862
00:44:33,758 --> 00:44:36,108
but it was written
as a blank face.
863
00:44:36,238 --> 00:44:38,978
So Tommy Lee Wallace,
the art director,
864
00:44:39,111 --> 00:44:41,161
went up to
Bert Wheeler's Magic Shop
865
00:44:41,287 --> 00:44:43,987
on Hollywood Boulevard
and bought a mask.
866
00:44:44,116 --> 00:44:46,416
It was a Captain Kirk mask.
867
00:44:46,553 --> 00:44:48,863
Looked nothing
like Captain Kirk, okay?
868
00:44:48,990 --> 00:44:53,040
But spray painted it white
and fooled around with the hair,
869
00:44:53,168 --> 00:44:55,168
and that's the mask.
870
00:44:55,301 --> 00:44:58,171
Let's put him
in a white mask,
871
00:44:58,304 --> 00:45:03,534
which is human,
but it has zero human features
872
00:45:03,657 --> 00:45:08,307
so that it becomes the thing
you project your own fear on to.
873
00:45:08,444 --> 00:45:10,714
You've been told about him.
874
00:45:10,838 --> 00:45:14,278
He is the essence of evil.
He's pure evil.
875
00:45:14,407 --> 00:45:17,317
And now we know that,
and let's collide
876
00:45:17,453 --> 00:45:20,673
Laurie Strode and Michael Myers.
877
00:45:20,805 --> 00:45:26,155
And I think that's why
it was so good.
878
00:45:26,288 --> 00:45:29,068
It's an absence of
humanity in a human.
879
00:45:29,204 --> 00:45:32,734
That's the whole
essence of evil.
880
00:45:32,860 --> 00:45:35,170
You strip the humanity away
in the human being,
881
00:45:35,297 --> 00:45:37,207
and that's what you get,
is evil.
882
00:45:37,909 --> 00:45:42,089
John and Debra sat there
together and went,
883
00:45:42,217 --> 00:45:47,787
Okay, what's the most
ubiquitous image of Americana
884
00:45:47,919 --> 00:45:53,269
of a smalltown life
but a high school girl
885
00:45:53,402 --> 00:45:58,412
who's a virgin, who's smart,
who's a babysitter,
886
00:45:58,538 --> 00:46:07,238
and let's collide her with
the most evil creature
887
00:46:07,373 --> 00:46:09,513
we can come up with.
888
00:46:09,636 --> 00:46:11,156
Michael!
889
00:46:11,290 --> 00:46:14,550
A child who
murdered his sister.
890
00:46:14,684 --> 00:46:17,344
Michael?
891
00:46:17,470 --> 00:46:19,990
It's even more terrifying
if the movie you're shooting
892
00:46:20,125 --> 00:46:21,465
looks like the real world.
893
00:46:21,604 --> 00:46:23,564
You know, when you looked
at the movies of the '50s,
894
00:46:23,693 --> 00:46:25,613
they were shot
on back lots and stuff.
895
00:46:25,739 --> 00:46:28,569
So there's a separation from
the material for the audience.
896
00:46:28,698 --> 00:46:29,698
When you're looking
at Halloween, you're like,
897
00:46:29,830 --> 00:46:31,270
"That looks like
my neighborhood.
898
00:46:31,397 --> 00:46:33,877
That looks like a house
that's down the street from me."
899
00:46:34,008 --> 00:46:36,268
So the more you can reflect
the real world,
900
00:46:36,402 --> 00:46:39,232
the more terrifying I think
you can make it for people.
901
00:46:39,361 --> 00:46:41,101
And I think
that's what Carpenter
902
00:46:41,233 --> 00:46:42,633
did best with Halloween.
903
00:46:42,756 --> 00:46:44,796
- Bye.
- Bye.
904
00:46:44,932 --> 00:46:48,242
There's a very simple
effect on Halloween
905
00:46:48,370 --> 00:46:51,590
where the camera will linger in
the distance and watch somebody.
906
00:46:54,202 --> 00:46:55,512
Fucking scary.
907
00:46:55,638 --> 00:46:57,338
And it's also like, well,
what's going to happen?
908
00:46:57,466 --> 00:46:59,286
Like, well, who is that?
What are they doing?
909
00:46:59,425 --> 00:47:01,165
Are they going to
move in there soon?
910
00:47:01,296 --> 00:47:02,376
You know?
911
00:47:02,515 --> 00:47:05,165
All of it is unnerving.
912
00:47:05,300 --> 00:47:07,830
Silence is very important
in horror.
913
00:47:10,262 --> 00:47:12,702
Be quiet before
the horror strikes you,
914
00:47:12,830 --> 00:47:14,220
and it will
be frightening.
915
00:47:16,703 --> 00:47:20,323
The music-- well, the theme
came from something my father
916
00:47:20,446 --> 00:47:22,576
taught me when I was younger,
when I was 13,
917
00:47:22,709 --> 00:47:25,669
this 5/4 time
on a pair of bongos.
918
00:47:25,799 --> 00:47:30,719
And I just picked up the time
and played around the piano.
919
00:47:34,721 --> 00:47:36,551
When you hear
"a low-budget film,"
920
00:47:36,679 --> 00:47:39,989
you don't have any money
for an orchestra or a composer.
921
00:47:40,118 --> 00:47:43,338
I had three days, so I did
the score for Halloween.
922
00:47:45,558 --> 00:47:47,998
John was very clear
what he wanted.
923
00:47:48,126 --> 00:47:51,476
He kept saying, "I want her
to be really vulnerable."
924
00:47:51,607 --> 00:47:54,567
Now, I was 19 and uneducated,
925
00:47:54,697 --> 00:47:57,527
so I actually thought the word
"vulnerable" meant "weak."
926
00:47:57,657 --> 00:48:00,397
I just like associated the word
"vulnerable" with "weak."
927
00:48:00,529 --> 00:48:04,229
And I was kind of like, "I don't
really want to be weak, John."
928
00:48:04,359 --> 00:48:08,099
When I saw the movie
for the first time in a theater
929
00:48:08,233 --> 00:48:09,633
after the movie had come out...
930
00:48:09,756 --> 00:48:11,886
Hello?
931
00:48:12,019 --> 00:48:15,019
...when Laurie gets the call
from her friend,
932
00:48:15,153 --> 00:48:16,943
she's being strangled,
she thinks she's playing a joke,
933
00:48:17,068 --> 00:48:20,248
she goes up
and checks on the kids,
934
00:48:20,375 --> 00:48:22,455
and then she leaves the house.
935
00:48:22,595 --> 00:48:25,375
And it's that wonderful
Steadicam shot going
936
00:48:25,511 --> 00:48:27,991
back and forth, either
the P.O.V. of Laurie
937
00:48:28,122 --> 00:48:32,392
or the shot on her as she's
walking across the windy street
938
00:48:32,518 --> 00:48:35,828
with the prop guy throwing
the only dry leaves
939
00:48:35,956 --> 00:48:38,346
we had kind of
next to the camera,
940
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:42,180
you know,
that beautiful sequence.
941
00:48:42,310 --> 00:48:44,400
It really builds
the tension because you,
942
00:48:44,530 --> 00:48:47,710
the audience knows
what's happened in the house.
943
00:48:47,837 --> 00:48:48,707
Laurie doesn't.
944
00:48:48,838 --> 00:48:50,708
And in the middle of that walk,
945
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,060
a woman in a crowded theater
in Hollywood
946
00:48:53,191 --> 00:48:58,331
stood up and screamed,
"Girl, don't go in there!
947
00:48:58,457 --> 00:49:00,807
There's a killer in there!"
948
00:49:00,938 --> 00:49:04,068
And the audience was screaming.
949
00:49:04,202 --> 00:49:08,472
And I realized in that moment
that's what John meant,
950
00:49:08,597 --> 00:49:12,037
that you cared about her and you
didn't want her to go in there.
951
00:49:12,166 --> 00:49:13,856
And that's all that
he wanted to create.
952
00:49:18,999 --> 00:49:20,959
Jamie Lee Curtis is
the ultimate final girl
953
00:49:21,088 --> 00:49:23,218
'cause she was the final girl
in a handful of
954
00:49:23,351 --> 00:49:25,221
Halloween movies
and Prom Night
955
00:49:25,353 --> 00:49:26,403
and fucking Terror Train.
956
00:49:26,528 --> 00:49:28,658
You know, that was her genre.
957
00:49:28,791 --> 00:49:32,581
She was our first horror
movie star of our generation.
958
00:49:32,708 --> 00:49:34,968
You know, I guess if
you consider
959
00:49:35,102 --> 00:49:37,842
the black-and-white era,
Fay Wray in King Kong
960
00:49:37,975 --> 00:49:40,925
to be the genre's star.
961
00:49:41,065 --> 00:49:43,625
And then later on,
Jamie Lee Curtis' mother,
962
00:49:43,763 --> 00:49:47,073
Janet Leigh, in Psycho,
as the lady in the shower.
963
00:49:49,116 --> 00:49:52,596
I think final girls
are unwitting heroines.
964
00:49:52,728 --> 00:49:56,338
They started out that day
being something else,
965
00:49:56,471 --> 00:49:59,041
and they end up a final girl.
966
00:49:59,170 --> 00:50:02,350
All I know is that Laurie Strode
woke up that morning
967
00:50:02,477 --> 00:50:04,697
worrying about her chem final,
968
00:50:04,827 --> 00:50:08,307
worrying about the fact that
a boy didn't ask her to prom,
969
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:11,620
worrying about, like,
teenage girl stuff.
970
00:50:11,747 --> 00:50:16,447
And by the end of that night,
she became a warrior.
971
00:50:28,808 --> 00:50:30,458
She didn't intend
to be a warrior.
972
00:50:30,592 --> 00:50:32,422
She didn't want to be a warrior.
973
00:50:32,551 --> 00:50:34,641
She ended up a warrior.
974
00:50:35,684 --> 00:50:39,784
They personified evil
with this omniscient force
975
00:50:39,906 --> 00:50:41,996
that could not be
fucking stopped.
976
00:50:42,126 --> 00:50:43,556
You can throw bullets
at these fuckers,
977
00:50:43,692 --> 00:50:46,782
man, throw off roofs and shit,
like, they can't be stopped.
978
00:50:46,913 --> 00:50:48,963
Like death.
They're relentless.
979
00:50:49,089 --> 00:50:50,659
Once you get into shit
like that,
980
00:50:50,786 --> 00:50:52,216
you can start doing
slasher movies.
981
00:50:54,051 --> 00:50:55,571
Was that the boogeyman?
982
00:50:57,576 --> 00:51:00,056
As a matter of fact, it was.
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