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[ Man ]
Nothing's original
under the sun, you know?
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Everything
goes back to something.
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Yes, my name's Mark Lanois.
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My recently deceased sister
left your archives a page
from the book of hours...
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that they purchased
from Christie's back in 1982.
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I wanted to know if I could, uh,
uh, bring it by to you
this afternoon.
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[ Man On Phone, Indistinct ]
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Okay.
It depicts the crucifixion.
It's circa 1540,
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and I'd like to tell you
a little bit
about Emily and her husband.
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And, uh, you know,
they worked for World Bank
in Europe and everything.
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Well, good.
Then we'll look forward
to seeing you, uh--
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When?
When might you like
to come by?
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Uh, I th--
Uh, let me see.
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I-I-I guess we could
probably get there a little--
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Probably-Probably early
this afternoon.
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I think I have everything.
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I'll only--
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I'll only hit the stuff
just before I face...
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whatever it is
at the place, okay?
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Not when I'm driving.
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[ OnStar Voice, Indistinct ]
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Connecting to OnStar.
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Your approximate travel time
is two hours, seven minutes.
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Start out going south--
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Oh, yeah, here--
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Lester Sullivan.
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[ Beeping ]
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[ Woman Speaking French ]
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Uh--
Yes, sir.
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I'm Lester Sullivan.
This is Irwin Lakov.
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How you doing?
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[ Coughs ]
All right.
Look, I'm writing--
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Excuse me.
a little biography of--
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Oh, thank you.
of Mother.
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[ Coughs ]
Excuse me.
I mean, of my sister.
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Oh, this was your sister?
Yes.
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Oh, my.
Well.
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Oh, and now look.
I'm going to bring the, uh--
the catalog to you.
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That's the auction
and everything,
all right?
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Oh, isn't that nice?
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I-I believe
it'll-it'll-it'll
look well and--
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Oh, you know it.
Is that a form--
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an early form of color printing
of some sort?
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Well, it's all hand done
and colored.
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No. It's hand done,
but it's not as good
as the earlier ones.
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It's still insured
with Huntington Block.
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Now I'm writing
a little biography of Emily.
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Of the lady
who left this to us?
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Yes.
My sister, Emily.
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That would be the sister.
I made her up.
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But I-I said
that was my sister.
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And I actually did that.
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[ Man ]
And why'd you make her up?
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Oh, well, I was in the habit
of-- of saying I had a sister...
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so that I could...
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throw awkward questions
and problems in their lap.
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You've got my phone number
and everything.
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[ Lester ]
No, sir.
You gave me no data.
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Oh. I thought
it might have shown up.
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Oh, well.
Do you have a card or--
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Uh, I'm pretty much
out of them.
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And I'd like you to show me
about where would it be...
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where you would think
of putting it.
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Well, there would not be
a permanent display.
I've got others.
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No, not permanent,
but whenever you--
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You see these cases
we've just vacated here?
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We have an exhibit
very much relating to
our religious history here.
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She certainly knew
what she was doing.
Hmm.
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[ Lester ]
Well, I'm glad you're helping
to realize her wish.
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I've been following Landis
for going on four years now.
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I've got old--
older copies of my dossier
in here.
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What's so strange about Landis
is that he's not in it
for the money.
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He likes to dupe
museum professionals.
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He likes to see the stuff
on display.
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I met him in 2008.
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I was registrar
at the Oklahoma City
Museum of Art.
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He showed up as Mark Landis,
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and he started pulling
all these works out.
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This was the first piece
that I looked up online...
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'cause we were getting ready
to take this watercolor
by Signac...
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and make it part
of the collection.
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Well, as anybody should,
I did my due diligence,
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looked this up online,
and it showed up
in a press release...
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at the Savannah College
of Art and Design.
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Artists, they'll do
the same subject matter
over and over again, like Monet.
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Or he'll do--
You know, he would do
these buildings,
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but he'd do it at different
times of day so you'd see
the subtle differences.
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But it wasn't until that I
went on to this oil-on-panel
by Stanislas Lépine...
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I looked this one up,
and it showed up
in a press release...
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at the St. Louis University
Museum of Art.
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And then I found the same one
at three more museums.
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I mean, these are
no small potatoes.
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This Alfred Jacob Miller piece--
this is in six or seven museums.
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But they look--
They just look so good
and so real.
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You know, the guy is
a skilled artist.
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I just became obsessed with it,
just like he is obsessed
with making these paintings.
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And, um, I was just out to--
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He messed
with the wrong registrar
is what he did.
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Hi, Mr. Mark.
Hi, hi.
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How are you doing?
You'll sign here for me?
Yes, yes, yes.
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[ Woman ]
Mark?
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Hi.
Nice to see you again.
Nice to see you too.
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[ Air Hissing ]
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Tell me about your mood?
What's it like?
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Been all right.
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- Any suicidal thoughts?
- No.
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What about wanting
to hurt anyone else?
No.
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Okay.
Are you hearing any voices
or seeing things?
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No.
Okay.
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What do you do
for fun every day?
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Well, I've done an awful lot
of three girls having a--
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Three--
Of the three girls...
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sitting on the grass reading.
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I've done a lot of those.
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This one's really tedious.
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You get better with practice.
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But that's how the--
The back's easy
if you just pour coffee on it.
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[ Sighs ]
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Oh.
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Here's another one.
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Put it in one of those
Walmart frames,
looks like a million doll--
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It does look like
a million dollars,
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'cause actually
that's worth about a million--
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Well, maybe not quite that much,
but close.
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And these frames are so cheap,
and all you have to do...
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is just go over 'em some
with arts and crafts stuff
and they look really good.
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Don't you think that looks good?
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The Sotheby's label
would have said
"Black chalk, brown"--
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You know how those thing--
"Black chalk, brown wash,
red chalk."
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I just use color pencils,
you know,
'cause they can't tell.
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I just like to copy things
'cause it's what's--
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It's reassuring,
and I remember it
from when I was growing up.
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You know, I would do it at night
to occupy myself.
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You can see the veins
under the skin.
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That's so beautiful.
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I have this sort of gimmick
for being able
to remember something...
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just long enough
to get it onto paper.
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It's something
they were very interested in
at the Menninger Foundation.
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I was there
for more than a year
when I was 18.
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I insisted on leaving.
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See, people that follow
the advice of those places,
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they're mental patients
all their lives.
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You know,
they'll be old someday,
and what can they say?
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I've been through a lot lately.
I have these bad dreams.
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It's like Mother's there.
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And then I wake up
and I realize she's not,
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and my heart's banging real bad.
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See, this grass and stuff
is-is nothing.
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See, it's practically done
just like--
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Well, you know, they told Mother
at the Menninger Foundation,
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they said I was
a bright little boy.
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They said,
"He's a bright little boy."
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They said that to Mother.
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[ Sighs ]
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But they said I was inclined
to be mischievous--
[ Laughs ]
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from time to time.
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[ Leininger ]
Museums--
they don't like to be duped.
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They don't like to get forgeries
or fakes into their collections.
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Oklahoma City actually put
one of 'em on display because
we thought that it was real.
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We had received a watercolor
by Louis Valtat.
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Yeah, I mean,
when we found out...
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that we had had this thing
on display for five months,
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we immediately went
into the gallery
and took it off the wall.
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And then that's when
I started letting people know.
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Sent a message out
to the Registrars listserv,
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and within the first hour,
my phone was ringing
off the hook,
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and my e-mail box
was getting full.
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And I think within
the first hour, I had talked
to, like, 20 institutions.
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'Cause I'd say to 'em, I'd say,
"Well, what do you have?"
and they would tell me.
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I said,
"Well, this museum has that,
and this museum has that,"
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and they didn't believe me.
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It took me three times
talking with the director...
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at the University of Kentucky
Museum of Art
before I could convince her...
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that the pieces
that they had received
were forgeries.
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He's been doing it
over 30 years,
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and I've found 46 museums
in 20 states...
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with more than a hundred pieces
that he's offered up
to these institutions.
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Well, I just remember
the time that I spent
with Landis personally.
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Here's this great collector
that has a lot of money,
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and, you know, the director
wanted me to take him
into storage,
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wanted me to take him
through the museum.
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Um, so he per--
He wasted a lot of my time.
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But I just keep building
my case...
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because I don't think
that he's gonna stop.
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[ Man ] He brought with him
two briefcases--
satchels, really.
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In one of the satchels,
he had the small Koran...
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that he had sent us an image of
and the auction record.
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Uh, the hammer price
was somewhere close
to a hundred thousand dollars,
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sold anonymously,
and he represented that that's
what his mother had purchased.
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There was some
generational welfare.
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I don't think he used that term,
but he certainly implied...
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that there was
a great deal of money--
and old money-- there.
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His mother had a home in Paris.
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And I think--
believe his sister--
Emily was her name--
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was in Paris at that moment, uh,
settling her estate.
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One of the things
that he brought up
very quickly...
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was that there were
more paintings...
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and possible endowments
from the family's estate.
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He knew right where to hit us.
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Our soft spot--
art and money.
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He was very interested
in the museum.
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He was knowledgeable
about the museum.
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He was, um, you know,
friendly, if a little--
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a little odd, but we--
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You know, we're southern.
We're used to eccentrics.
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This is the piece.
It's a nice pastel.
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I should've looked at it
more closely,
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but I'm not the only curator
he duped.
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[ Woman ]
I have felt totally embarrassed.
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We can't show that
as an authentic Charles Schulz.
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It-It makes us, uh, fake.
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Well, I actually found out
about Mark Landis, uh,
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a little over a year ago.
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It was rather intriguing.
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There's kind of
a performance art quality
to the act.
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It made me very curious
to understand more
what his motivation is.
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Or, uh--
or how-- how well he understands
what the implications are.
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[ Line Ringing ]
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[ Phone Beeps ]
[ Landis ]
Hello?
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Hi. Good day, Mr. Landis.
How are you?
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- Pretty good.
- I certainly appreciate
you taking my call.
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Anyway, I got your e-mail.
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As you might imagine,
I have a number of questions
that I'd like to ask you.
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Oh, sure, sure.
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Well, I'd like to ask you
some questions about, uh--
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about what makes you, uh,
compelled to do this.
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It's-It's a long story.
It's hard to, you know--
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And I know, you know--
I know we both--
231
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I mean, well--
[ Clicks Tongue ]
You know.
232
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It's a long story.
233
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This is--
This is Mother's--
Mother and Dad's wedding album.
234
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Okay.
That's Mother.
That's the table that's there.
235
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There's Mother and Dad.
236
00:18:42,322 --> 00:18:44,724
There's Mother and Dad again.
237
00:18:47,894 --> 00:18:53,666
See, they're cutting the cake
with-with Dad's sword,
which is there.
238
00:18:53,700 --> 00:18:56,336
See?
Isn't Mother beautiful?
239
00:18:58,571 --> 00:19:00,907
And they had
a cocker spaniel too.
240
00:19:00,940 --> 00:19:03,543
Just like in Lady and the Tramp.
241
00:19:03,576 --> 00:19:06,479
And then they had me
'cause Buster died.
242
00:19:23,263 --> 00:19:27,334
Dad was a naval officer.
We traveled all the time.
243
00:19:27,367 --> 00:19:29,702
And Mother and Dad
of course were young,
244
00:19:29,736 --> 00:19:32,539
and they liked to travel
around Europe and see things...
245
00:19:32,572 --> 00:19:36,276
even when it wasn't on business.
246
00:19:36,309 --> 00:19:38,945
And of course they took me
with them, you know.
247
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Dad would take me around
to the museums.
248
00:19:44,951 --> 00:19:47,787
We'd come back
with catalogs,
249
00:19:47,820 --> 00:19:50,823
and Mother and Dad
would go out at night, you know.
250
00:19:50,857 --> 00:19:53,493
They were young,
and I would be in the hotel.
251
00:19:53,526 --> 00:19:56,296
There wasn't a TV.
I would copy pictures.
252
00:19:56,329 --> 00:19:59,899
Occasionally, there was
a babysitter,
but they aren't that easy.
253
00:19:59,932 --> 00:20:04,704
But, you know, the hotel
would periodically send
someone up to look in on me.
254
00:20:04,737 --> 00:20:06,439
You know.
I-I think.
255
00:20:17,417 --> 00:20:19,386
[ Woman ]
What do you call it?
256
00:20:19,419 --> 00:20:21,888
[ Landis ]
Uh, I-I couldn't think
of anything else,
257
00:20:21,921 --> 00:20:24,424
so-so I just called it
a memory trick.
258
00:20:30,930 --> 00:20:33,933
The earliest I remember
doing anything like it...
259
00:20:33,966 --> 00:20:38,004
would have been when I was
about eight or something...
260
00:20:38,037 --> 00:20:41,741
in a hotel room copying pictures
out of catalogs.
261
00:20:45,878 --> 00:20:49,882
And you would put
the piece of paper up close
to the picture you were copying,
262
00:20:49,916 --> 00:20:52,385
and then the closer I got,
263
00:20:52,419 --> 00:20:56,656
I guess somehow I just ended up
putting the piece of paper
over the--
264
00:20:56,689 --> 00:20:59,892
And even though I couldn't see
through the piece of paper,
265
00:20:59,926 --> 00:21:04,631
I could flip it
back and forth enough
to get a likeness.
266
00:21:17,109 --> 00:21:20,547
The memory trick's sort of like
a magic trick...
267
00:21:20,580 --> 00:21:24,551
or an illusion trick,
or whatever you have--
a conjurer's trick.
268
00:21:24,584 --> 00:21:26,986
You know?
It's the same kind of thing.
269
00:21:27,019 --> 00:21:29,689
And so you enjoy--
You get--
270
00:21:29,722 --> 00:21:32,859
You get a little bit--
a little boost, you know.
271
00:21:52,745 --> 00:21:54,714
[ Cowan ]
And did you want to be
an artist?
272
00:21:54,747 --> 00:21:58,385
[ Landis ]
You know how it is
when you're that age.
273
00:21:58,418 --> 00:22:02,321
You see something on TV,
you wanna be this,
and then you wanna be that.
274
00:22:03,590 --> 00:22:05,525
I saw A Dog of Flanders.
275
00:22:05,558 --> 00:22:06,993
I'll take this one.
276
00:22:28,114 --> 00:22:33,986
Mother and Dad bought me a TV
for my birthday in '69.
277
00:22:34,020 --> 00:22:37,824
When I was young,
I thought I'd won the lottery...
278
00:22:37,857 --> 00:22:41,060
if I could just get
decent TV reception.
279
00:22:43,563 --> 00:22:46,132
But you use
your imagination, you know?
280
00:22:46,165 --> 00:22:51,571
'Cause lots of times
the reception was so bad
I just had to guess.
281
00:22:56,208 --> 00:22:59,178
[ Control Voice ]
There is nothing wrong
with your television set.
282
00:22:59,211 --> 00:23:02,014
We are controlling transmission.
283
00:23:02,048 --> 00:23:06,152
[ Landis ]
Those who have nothing to hide
have nothing to fear...
284
00:23:06,185 --> 00:23:09,188
from ze Gestapo.
285
00:23:09,221 --> 00:23:11,691
And stuff like that.
You know what I mean.
286
00:23:13,192 --> 00:23:16,062
Get a little--
a little clouds here.
287
00:23:16,095 --> 00:23:18,665
Some happy little clouds.
288
00:23:27,474 --> 00:23:31,478
[ Woman On TV ]
Your majesty, may I present
the infamous Simon Templar?
289
00:23:31,511 --> 00:23:34,113
[ Landis ]
I live by the code of The Saint.
290
00:23:34,146 --> 00:23:36,949
Dad and I both lived by it.
You don't remember The Saint?
291
00:23:36,983 --> 00:23:38,885
Oh, it was a great show.
292
00:23:38,918 --> 00:23:41,187
The Saint was such a hero.
293
00:23:41,220 --> 00:23:45,725
No matter how bad a girl was,
he'd always let her get away.
294
00:23:45,758 --> 00:23:47,760
He never shot a girl.
295
00:23:51,263 --> 00:23:56,936
My favorite musical is
How to Succeed in Business
Without Really Trying.
296
00:24:00,239 --> 00:24:07,213
Remember when Vince said,
"By George, ethical behavior
always pays off"?
297
00:24:07,246 --> 00:24:11,918
But he was just making a joke
because ethical behavior
doesn't pay off.
298
00:24:13,553 --> 00:24:15,922
That's why Dad never got on...
299
00:24:15,955 --> 00:24:18,224
'cause he was
too much of a gentleman.
300
00:24:28,768 --> 00:24:31,871
He was nothing like me.
301
00:24:31,904 --> 00:24:35,975
I would have been an immense
disappointment to him.
302
00:24:36,008 --> 00:24:38,778
Speaking of your father, uh,
303
00:24:38,811 --> 00:24:41,514
your father was an officer
and a gentleman,
304
00:24:41,548 --> 00:24:43,182
That's true.
and he knew nothing
of intrigue or deceit.
305
00:24:43,215 --> 00:24:47,787
And that's why people like Dad
couldn't be a businessman.
306
00:24:47,820 --> 00:24:52,024
After all, you know,
Saint Peter lied, you know?
307
00:24:52,058 --> 00:24:56,195
Where would the church be
if Saint Peter didn't lie?
308
00:24:56,228 --> 00:24:58,898
You have to let your conscience
be your guide.
309
00:24:58,931 --> 00:25:03,636
If something seems...
really bad,
310
00:25:03,670 --> 00:25:06,706
or something--
if something seems wrong,
you know--
311
00:25:08,941 --> 00:25:11,711
Do you have any idea
why at this point
you haven't been prosecuted?
312
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,116
'Cause I-I didn't do
anything wrong or illegal.
313
00:25:20,019 --> 00:25:23,823
He's uncovered
an international case
of deception...
314
00:25:23,856 --> 00:25:28,227
that has ended
with dozens of museums saddled
with bogus works of art.
315
00:25:28,260 --> 00:25:31,998
What I did was looked up
this piece online.
316
00:25:32,031 --> 00:25:35,835
I found the same one
at the Savannah College
of Art and Design.
317
00:25:35,868 --> 00:25:38,971
[ Woman ] The piece
was one of five donated
to the Oklahoma City museum...
318
00:25:39,005 --> 00:25:42,909
where Matt Leininger worked
in 2008, donated by this man,
319
00:25:42,942 --> 00:25:46,245
Mark Landis,
in memory of his mother.
320
00:25:46,278 --> 00:25:51,884
He also found the aliases--
Stephen Gardner
and Father Scott.
321
00:25:51,918 --> 00:25:54,687
Landis likely knows by now...
322
00:25:54,721 --> 00:25:58,057
Cincinnati's Director
of Museum Services
has his number.
323
00:25:58,090 --> 00:26:00,059
Good stuff.
324
00:26:00,092 --> 00:26:01,994
Come here, bub.
325
00:26:06,666 --> 00:26:08,935
Who's that guy?
Mark Landis?
326
00:26:08,968 --> 00:26:10,803
Who?
Mark Landis.
327
00:26:10,837 --> 00:26:13,272
Yeah, that's Mark Landis.
328
00:26:13,305 --> 00:26:15,908
Hi.
It's nice to see you again.
329
00:26:15,942 --> 00:26:17,877
How are you doing?
330
00:26:19,078 --> 00:26:20,780
All right.
Thanks.
331
00:26:20,813 --> 00:26:22,949
Your medication--
you're on Geodon.
332
00:26:22,982 --> 00:26:26,018
You've been taking that?
I have.
Got a few left.
333
00:26:26,052 --> 00:26:29,922
Got a few left.
You keep taking it just like
you're supposed to, okay?
334
00:26:29,956 --> 00:26:34,961
Any depressive symptoms?
Have you been upset more...
lately about anything?
335
00:26:34,994 --> 00:26:36,796
[ Quiet Whimper ]
336
00:26:38,831 --> 00:26:40,900
[ Whimpers ]
Anything on your mind?
337
00:26:40,933 --> 00:26:44,070
Well, I'm getting--
I'm getting, you know.
338
00:26:44,103 --> 00:26:48,374
I guess as time goes by,
I'll get over
what happened to Mother.
339
00:26:48,407 --> 00:26:50,176
Okay.
Yeah.
340
00:26:50,209 --> 00:26:53,312
Yeah, I know for a lot of years,
you were taking care of her,
right?
341
00:26:55,447 --> 00:26:59,719
[ Landis ]
I moved in with her
after the hurricane.
342
00:27:02,722 --> 00:27:05,424
And see,
since Mother's been gone,
343
00:27:05,457 --> 00:27:08,627
it would be...
two years?
344
00:27:10,162 --> 00:27:13,399
Took me a long time
to get over it.
345
00:27:13,432 --> 00:27:15,835
But I had to answer,
'cause they kept banging--
346
00:27:15,868 --> 00:27:18,805
Everybody kept banging
on the door, you know.
347
00:27:18,838 --> 00:27:23,843
And I was too upset still
to type an obituary
and stuff like that, you know.
348
00:27:30,382 --> 00:27:35,421
Had to pull myself together
for her funeral.
[ Mumbles, Indistinct ]
349
00:28:24,203 --> 00:28:26,505
[ Landis ]
In Sunday school
they always tell everybody...
350
00:28:26,538 --> 00:28:29,776
to make use of your gifts,
you know?
351
00:28:29,809 --> 00:28:32,344
And copying pictures is my gift.
352
00:28:41,387 --> 00:28:44,290
I decided to be
a philanthropist.
353
00:28:46,558 --> 00:28:51,463
It happened as an impulse
back in '85, I think.
354
00:28:54,466 --> 00:29:01,040
I wanted to impress Mother
that I'd done something
for Father's memory.
355
00:29:01,073 --> 00:29:04,110
I-I thought
it would please Mother.
356
00:29:04,143 --> 00:29:07,379
Do you think she had
any suspicions
of what you were doing?
357
00:29:07,413 --> 00:29:11,250
Oh, yeah.
The mother always knew
when I was up to mischief.
358
00:29:11,283 --> 00:29:13,385
You know how mothers are.
359
00:29:13,419 --> 00:29:15,888
So she knew
why you were traveling?
360
00:29:15,922 --> 00:29:17,523
She'd have known.
361
00:29:17,556 --> 00:29:19,258
Huh.
362
00:29:19,291 --> 00:29:21,961
But she was proud of me.
And then later on...
363
00:29:21,994 --> 00:29:26,432
I could tell
she was sort of proud, but--
364
00:29:26,465 --> 00:29:29,301
Well, but that's--
Let's not say that.
365
00:29:29,335 --> 00:29:32,304
I mean, she didn't mind.
Let's put it like that.
366
00:30:36,903 --> 00:30:42,341
[ Landis ]
Uh, I had the inspiration
to be a priest about a year ago.
367
00:30:42,374 --> 00:30:45,644
Seems longer,
so much has happened.
368
00:30:45,677 --> 00:30:49,949
I went on
philanthropic binges...
369
00:30:49,982 --> 00:30:52,551
in Mother's car...
370
00:30:52,584 --> 00:30:55,955
in states--
the southern states--
371
00:30:55,988 --> 00:30:58,657
and Florida,
and a bit in Texas.
372
00:30:58,690 --> 00:30:59,992
And I took some bus trips.
373
00:31:03,062 --> 00:31:07,199
That's the joke that they have
in aristocratic families
from England.
374
00:31:07,233 --> 00:31:10,369
They always say
oldest son goes to the navy,
375
00:31:10,402 --> 00:31:14,506
next one goes to the army,
next one for a profession,
376
00:31:14,540 --> 00:31:16,642
and we always give the fool
to the church.
377
00:31:16,675 --> 00:31:18,377
[ Laughs ]
378
00:31:23,682 --> 00:31:26,385
See, the church could use
some talent.
379
00:31:27,586 --> 00:31:29,555
They could use
a guy like me, you know?
380
00:31:29,588 --> 00:31:31,323
I'd be a good priest.
381
00:31:37,296 --> 00:31:41,133
Gee, I can't go
to one of those places
for six years.
382
00:31:41,167 --> 00:31:44,470
And they're hard too, you know?
They're crazy.
383
00:31:44,503 --> 00:31:48,107
You can learn everything
you need to know
to be a good priest...
384
00:31:48,140 --> 00:31:53,645
from the Father Brown
DVD series with Kenneth More
just like that.
385
00:31:53,679 --> 00:31:56,682
See, over time--
that's exactly their thinking,
you know?
386
00:31:56,715 --> 00:32:00,352
[ OnStar ]
2601 Gentilly Boulevard...
387
00:32:00,386 --> 00:32:02,955
is three-quarters
of a mile away.
388
00:32:05,557 --> 00:32:07,159
[ Gulls Squawking ]
389
00:32:19,638 --> 00:32:22,408
[ Woman ]
Well, I've heard
that some museums are...
390
00:32:22,441 --> 00:32:26,345
quite distressed
and maybe upset...
391
00:32:26,378 --> 00:32:29,515
that he has donated paintings...
392
00:32:29,548 --> 00:32:31,383
and they were not
original works.
393
00:32:32,618 --> 00:32:36,255
I don't have evidence.
I've just heard.
394
00:32:36,288 --> 00:32:38,424
I occasionally have empathy.
Um--
395
00:32:40,092 --> 00:32:41,994
I used to have empathy.
I don't anymore.
396
00:32:42,028 --> 00:32:44,330
I do believe he knows
what he was doing was wrong.
397
00:32:44,363 --> 00:32:47,433
I'm not a person
who wants vengeance.
398
00:32:47,466 --> 00:32:49,335
I just want him to stop.
399
00:32:49,368 --> 00:32:51,137
The schematics--
400
00:32:51,170 --> 00:32:55,107
It is a serious crime,
and we can't tolerate that.
401
00:32:55,141 --> 00:33:00,579
No matter what issues
or challenges you may have,
that's still no excuse.
402
00:33:00,612 --> 00:33:05,151
And, um, you either need
to be hospitalized
or you need to be in jail.
403
00:33:08,187 --> 00:33:10,056
Thanks, Father.
Bless you.
404
00:33:13,192 --> 00:33:15,127
Yeah, I first heard
about Mark Landis...
405
00:33:15,161 --> 00:33:18,530
back around 2005 or 2006
when I had gotten a call--
406
00:33:18,564 --> 00:33:20,666
I was still working
at the F.B.I.
I was still an agent.
407
00:33:20,699 --> 00:33:22,734
I got a call
from Matt Leininger.
408
00:33:22,768 --> 00:33:26,738
And he was the one
who told me about this situation
with this individual...
409
00:33:26,772 --> 00:33:30,176
who was doing, uh, forgeries,
fake pieces of art,
410
00:33:30,209 --> 00:33:32,611
and giving them to museums
around the country.
411
00:33:32,644 --> 00:33:35,081
The art world's
a very strange place, you know?
412
00:33:35,114 --> 00:33:36,815
A lot of things happen
in the art world.
413
00:33:36,848 --> 00:33:40,186
In this particular case,
I think that the forgeries,
414
00:33:40,219 --> 00:33:42,254
the-the gifts
of the forgeries...
415
00:33:42,288 --> 00:33:45,724
were basically
an ego satisfaction...
416
00:33:45,757 --> 00:33:48,227
for the painter, Mr. Landis.
417
00:33:48,260 --> 00:33:52,231
Matt Leininger has been
the only person that has pursued
this from the beginning.
418
00:33:52,264 --> 00:33:56,268
Uh, he's stayed on top of it.
He's done a great job of-of--
419
00:33:56,302 --> 00:33:59,238
of, uh, pursuing it
almost to the point
of obsession.
420
00:34:06,345 --> 00:34:08,314
There we go.
[ Types ]
421
00:34:08,347 --> 00:34:10,082
[ Beeps ]
[ Sighs ]
422
00:34:10,116 --> 00:34:12,318
Hey, Jonah.
It's Matt Leininger
in Cincinnati.
423
00:34:12,351 --> 00:34:16,422
I wanted to talk to you
and give you an update
on, um, Landis...
424
00:34:16,455 --> 00:34:19,625
and bring you up to speed
just because I know you would
have an interest, and, uh,
425
00:34:19,658 --> 00:34:26,398
maybe there's be something
that you could, uh, write
at your new position, um,
426
00:34:26,432 --> 00:34:30,836
for a local publication
so we can just keep spreading
the word about Landis.
427
00:34:30,869 --> 00:34:32,538
[ Dog Whines ]
428
00:34:34,240 --> 00:34:36,208
Why don't you go upstairs?
429
00:34:37,243 --> 00:34:38,610
[ Phone Rings ]
430
00:34:40,379 --> 00:34:41,647
Hello?
431
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:43,349
Hey, Matt, it's Jonah.
432
00:34:43,382 --> 00:34:45,151
Hey, Jonah.
How are you doing, man?
433
00:34:45,184 --> 00:34:47,253
Good, good.
[ Indistinct ]
434
00:34:47,286 --> 00:34:49,555
Oh, not a problem.
435
00:34:49,588 --> 00:34:53,459
Well, do you know
of his third and fourth aliases?
436
00:34:53,492 --> 00:34:55,661
[ Jonah, Indistinct ]
Okay.
437
00:34:55,694 --> 00:34:59,531
Well, and it's the biggest
screwball story I've ever heard
about in my life.
438
00:34:59,565 --> 00:35:02,468
And I ask the good Lord
every day.
It's, like, "Why am I the one?"
439
00:35:02,501 --> 00:35:05,171
You know?
Why am I the one
that found this guy?
440
00:35:07,773 --> 00:35:12,644
[ Cowan ]
Well, so what do you know
of Matthew Leininger then?
441
00:35:12,678 --> 00:35:17,283
Did you find out about him
through being contacted
from one--
442
00:35:17,316 --> 00:35:20,419
I couldn't have spent
much time with him 'cause--
443
00:35:20,452 --> 00:35:25,491
And the only time I can think of
would have been when I was
in the basement down there.
444
00:35:25,524 --> 00:35:29,595
Um, that's--
I-I-I-I don't even know
what he looks like.
445
00:35:29,628 --> 00:35:33,799
- But you realize
he's been keeping tabs on you?
- Oh, yeah, I know all that.
446
00:35:33,832 --> 00:35:36,668
I found his fourth alias.
447
00:35:36,702 --> 00:35:42,441
He hit Loyola University
in New Orleans
as Mark Lanois.
448
00:35:42,474 --> 00:35:45,244
Well, I'm still looking
for full-time work,
449
00:35:45,277 --> 00:35:48,280
but I got
a part-time gig going on.
450
00:35:48,314 --> 00:35:51,183
And that's what I've been doing.
Maybe that's my gig right now.
451
00:35:51,217 --> 00:35:54,220
I am to be a stay-at-home dad,
and, uh--
452
00:35:54,253 --> 00:35:56,188
It's just weird being a--
you know.
453
00:35:56,222 --> 00:35:58,724
It's just weird
being the man of the house
and being at home.
454
00:35:58,757 --> 00:36:00,526
So do you want a taco?
Yep.
455
00:36:00,559 --> 00:36:02,361
Okay.
456
00:36:04,296 --> 00:36:05,764
[ Child ]
Tacos with soap.
457
00:36:05,797 --> 00:36:07,699
No, no, no, no.
Don't put soap in it.
458
00:36:07,733 --> 00:36:10,369
Then your juice
will taste like soap.
Yuck!
459
00:36:10,402 --> 00:36:12,238
Hey, I know you're excited
about school.
460
00:36:12,271 --> 00:36:13,772
Just--
No, I'm not.
461
00:36:13,805 --> 00:36:16,608
Can you calm down
a little bit?
I'm not.
462
00:36:16,642 --> 00:36:19,778
We got to go.
[ Coughs ]
463
00:36:21,780 --> 00:36:25,384
[ Groans ]
I thought they said it was gonna
warm up a little bit today.
464
00:36:43,502 --> 00:36:44,870
Hey, girl.
465
00:36:44,903 --> 00:36:47,439
Yeah, we go through hiccups
in life.
466
00:36:47,473 --> 00:36:51,977
It's been 15 months since
the first time ever...
467
00:36:52,010 --> 00:36:57,749
that I was ever let go
from, um, a position.
468
00:36:57,783 --> 00:37:04,456
Do I think that, um,
the Cincinnati Art Museum, um,
469
00:37:04,490 --> 00:37:09,728
had something against me
or were scared
because I was onto Landis?
470
00:37:09,761 --> 00:37:12,398
Um--
471
00:37:12,431 --> 00:37:17,336
They told me
that while I am working
for the art museum,
472
00:37:17,369 --> 00:37:21,907
I am not to accept phone calls,
send or receive e-mails,
473
00:37:21,940 --> 00:37:24,576
uh, regarding Landis.
474
00:37:24,610 --> 00:37:26,678
Period.
You do it on your own.
475
00:37:28,547 --> 00:37:31,850
And soon after that,
they let me know
I didn't have a job anymore.
476
00:37:34,386 --> 00:37:37,789
But you can see every state--
California, Arizona, New Mexico,
477
00:37:37,823 --> 00:37:42,060
Oklahoma, Kansas, Missouri,
Illinois, Kentucky, Tennessee--
478
00:37:42,093 --> 00:37:44,863
[ Wittman ]
When Matt contacted me,
he gave me a list...
479
00:37:44,896 --> 00:37:47,466
of the many museums
that he had been following.
480
00:37:47,499 --> 00:37:51,870
The idea that the museums may
have thought that the paintings
were real or not real,
481
00:37:51,903 --> 00:37:55,574
that's all dependent
upon the specific museum,
which one you speak to.
482
00:37:55,607 --> 00:37:57,909
If they thought it was real,
it's still--
483
00:37:57,943 --> 00:37:59,745
They didn't spend
any money for it.
484
00:37:59,778 --> 00:38:01,647
And it wasn't like Landis
went in and said,
485
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:03,915
"Here, I'm gonna give you this
fabulous painting by Picasso,
486
00:38:03,949 --> 00:38:07,052
and you need to pay me
a hundred thousand dollars
for the painting,"
487
00:38:07,085 --> 00:38:08,720
and then received the money,
which would--
488
00:38:08,754 --> 00:38:11,723
That would be a crime, okay?
That's a fraud.
489
00:38:11,757 --> 00:38:14,426
But the fact is he gave it
to the museum for free.
490
00:38:14,460 --> 00:38:17,062
It's up to the museum
to determine
what they wanna think of it.
491
00:38:19,431 --> 00:38:24,503
I don't know if Landis
has become a-a-a obsession
for, um,
492
00:38:26,605 --> 00:38:29,508
the general public
or the ones at museums.
493
00:38:29,541 --> 00:38:31,610
Uh, I believe that, um--
494
00:38:31,643 --> 00:38:36,114
I mean, I-- I am, you know,
anal retentive.
495
00:38:36,147 --> 00:38:39,718
I have been diagnosed
with, like, a--
What do they call it now?
496
00:38:39,751 --> 00:38:43,021
O.C.D. or A.D.H.D.
or whatever.
497
00:38:43,054 --> 00:38:45,857
Um, but when I get focused
on something,
498
00:38:45,891 --> 00:38:48,093
I mean, I stick to it
and I stay on it...
499
00:38:48,126 --> 00:38:50,862
until I get
to the end of it, you know?
500
00:39:20,559 --> 00:39:24,930
[ Landis ]
I had a nervous breakdown
when I was 17...
501
00:39:24,963 --> 00:39:28,934
'cause I was upset
about Dad passing.
502
00:39:28,967 --> 00:39:33,371
I went into one hospital that--
for--
503
00:39:35,541 --> 00:39:38,076
'Cause to just see
if it was a physical--
504
00:39:38,109 --> 00:39:40,879
And of course we know
whenever they can--
505
00:39:40,912 --> 00:39:45,984
And so they--
Then there was, you know,
the psychiatric part of the--
506
00:39:48,654 --> 00:39:52,558
Yeah, see, this stuff
all goes back to '72.
507
00:39:55,761 --> 00:39:59,465
"Schizophrenic paranoid
and psychotic disorders."
508
00:39:59,498 --> 00:40:01,032
I got that.
509
00:40:01,066 --> 00:40:04,770
"Personality disorders."
I got that.
510
00:40:04,803 --> 00:40:09,808
"Catatonic or other
grossly disorganized behavior."
511
00:40:09,841 --> 00:40:11,777
I guess I've got that too.
512
00:40:11,810 --> 00:40:14,746
Well, it says I've got it, so--
[ Chuckles ]
513
00:40:14,780 --> 00:40:18,617
"Incoherence"--
Well, wait a minute.
I didn't mean to laugh.
514
00:40:18,650 --> 00:40:20,118
Gee, that's awful.
515
00:40:24,723 --> 00:40:29,695
"Oddities of thought,
perception, speech
and behavior."
516
00:40:29,728 --> 00:40:31,463
Oh, no.
I don't have that.
517
00:40:31,497 --> 00:40:33,599
Yeah, okay.
I'm okay on that one.
518
00:40:33,632 --> 00:40:37,903
I've just got the pathologically
inappropriate suspiciousness...
519
00:40:37,936 --> 00:40:41,039
and impulsive
and damaging behavior.
520
00:40:41,072 --> 00:40:43,208
That I've got.
521
00:40:43,241 --> 00:40:45,010
[ Sighs ]
522
00:40:46,778 --> 00:40:49,047
Oh, that's bad enough.
[ Chuckles ]
523
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:50,015
Okay.
524
00:40:54,085 --> 00:40:56,855
And you went into the clinic
at that point?
525
00:40:56,888 --> 00:41:02,027
Mother's friend suggested
the Menninger Founda--
which is a fine place.
526
00:41:02,060 --> 00:41:04,563
Were you happy there?
Oh, yeah.
527
00:41:04,596 --> 00:41:07,098
And you were there for
about two years, I guess?
Well, you know.
528
00:41:07,132 --> 00:41:09,668
- I mean, happy enough.
- Yeah.
529
00:41:09,701 --> 00:41:14,706
So, um,
when you were in Chicago,
you studied photography.
530
00:41:14,740 --> 00:41:18,209
When you went to San Francisco,
did you?
531
00:41:18,243 --> 00:41:20,712
Um, I took photography.
I should--
532
00:41:20,746 --> 00:41:22,714
Do you have
any of the photographs
that-that, uh,
533
00:41:22,748 --> 00:41:24,215
that you took?
No.
534
00:41:24,249 --> 00:41:27,553
No?
You know, that's the thing.
I learned all the processes...
535
00:41:27,586 --> 00:41:30,822
'cause I thought
if I was going to school
at the government's expense,
536
00:41:30,856 --> 00:41:32,824
I should learn
how to do something.
537
00:41:32,858 --> 00:41:35,260
But after I learned
the processes,
538
00:41:35,293 --> 00:41:38,897
I couldn't think of a thing
I wanted to take a picture of.
539
00:41:42,968 --> 00:41:45,971
The first picture
I remember giving away...
540
00:41:46,004 --> 00:41:49,140
was a Maynard Dixon drawing
of an Indian.
541
00:41:50,809 --> 00:41:52,277
[ Woman ]
And did you do it?
542
00:41:52,310 --> 00:41:54,012
And I actually did it.
Yeah, I drew it.
543
00:41:54,045 --> 00:41:57,683
And not only
did I actually draw it,
544
00:41:57,716 --> 00:42:04,022
it was my own Indian because--
'cause I checked out a book
on Indians from the library...
545
00:42:04,055 --> 00:42:07,726
and then I drew a picture
of an Indian.
546
00:42:07,759 --> 00:42:10,295
I used to actually do things...
547
00:42:10,328 --> 00:42:14,700
before I found out what all
you could do with the machines.
548
00:42:24,209 --> 00:42:28,013
Let's do this--
No, let's not do that one.
549
00:42:28,046 --> 00:42:32,851
Ah!
We can do
the little boy on the beach.
550
00:42:32,884 --> 00:42:37,188
We can do Picasso's...
551
00:42:37,222 --> 00:42:41,226
really unattractive sister
with a mustache.
552
00:42:50,168 --> 00:42:53,038
Oh, it says "originals."
That's just for me.
553
00:42:53,071 --> 00:42:55,173
You know, like,
so I'd be able to know...
554
00:42:55,206 --> 00:43:00,311
what was the original one
from the one I ran off.
555
00:43:00,345 --> 00:43:03,281
That's why I put a little "O"
on the back--
"O" for "original."
556
00:43:09,921 --> 00:43:15,761
I would use this
to blow it up 154 times...
557
00:43:15,794 --> 00:43:19,297
so that I could paste it
onto a piece of wood...
558
00:43:19,330 --> 00:43:23,168
that I got them to cut for me
at Lowe's...
559
00:43:23,201 --> 00:43:26,271
'cause they don't have
a Home Depot in Laurel.
560
00:43:26,304 --> 00:43:29,040
And--
But Lowe's is just as good.
561
00:43:29,074 --> 00:43:32,177
You know, maybe bang up
the edges a little,
562
00:43:32,210 --> 00:43:34,245
and then you're in business.
563
00:43:39,117 --> 00:43:42,988
I already stained it
with instant coffee.
564
00:43:59,404 --> 00:44:02,240
Now I make it look
like thick paint,
565
00:44:02,273 --> 00:44:06,912
then simulate paint strokes
with that stuff I got.
566
00:44:10,982 --> 00:44:13,919
It's difficult,
'cause I-I-I don't know...
567
00:44:13,952 --> 00:44:17,823
whether he used a knife
and scraped around her--
568
00:44:17,856 --> 00:44:20,959
or anything.
569
00:44:20,992 --> 00:44:27,065
It's the parts
where it's real dark--
and the eye will be deceived.
570
00:44:27,098 --> 00:44:30,268
You know, heaven only knows
how he painted it.
571
00:44:30,301 --> 00:44:31,870
They're not gonna know either,
so--
572
00:44:38,777 --> 00:44:41,146
I chose this room
for my paintings.
573
00:44:41,179 --> 00:44:44,249
You will find a somewhat, um,
varied selection...
574
00:44:44,282 --> 00:44:47,118
from the chiaroscuro
of the Dutch masters...
575
00:44:47,152 --> 00:44:48,887
to the symbolic fantasies--
576
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:50,756
[ Landis ]
The only reason
I would've known...
577
00:44:50,789 --> 00:44:53,391
about Picasso
and his Blue Period...
578
00:44:53,424 --> 00:44:56,094
would've been
because I saw Gambit.
579
00:44:56,127 --> 00:44:58,496
She was just showing off
her knowledge.
580
00:44:58,529 --> 00:45:02,000
Picasso,
and one of his best,
I always think.
581
00:45:02,033 --> 00:45:03,869
[ Woman ]
Oh, the Blue Period.
582
00:45:03,902 --> 00:45:07,072
[ Landis ]
The kids that I'd have been
in class with,
583
00:45:07,105 --> 00:45:09,474
when they daydreamed,
they'd think,
584
00:45:09,507 --> 00:45:14,813
"Gee, wouldn't it be cool
to be like those artists
in movies?"
585
00:45:14,846 --> 00:45:18,449
But I always liked
the stuffy, rich art collectors.
586
00:45:18,483 --> 00:45:20,418
They must be worth thousands.
587
00:45:20,451 --> 00:45:22,788
[ Chuckles ]
588
00:45:22,821 --> 00:45:24,389
Hundreds of thousands.
Yes.
589
00:45:24,422 --> 00:45:26,091
[ Landis ]
The patrons.
590
00:45:26,124 --> 00:45:28,994
Those are the people
I used to daydream about.
591
00:45:34,465 --> 00:45:36,267
[ Knocking ]
592
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:51,516
So how long
have you lived here now, Mark?
593
00:45:51,549 --> 00:45:54,519
Since the hurricane.
Since the hurricane.
594
00:45:59,224 --> 00:46:03,995
[ Landis ]
Donna was the first caseworker
that I had.
595
00:46:04,029 --> 00:46:08,766
My first one and a good one
back when I got out
of the group home.
596
00:46:13,338 --> 00:46:14,973
What is this sword?
597
00:46:15,006 --> 00:46:17,475
That's Grandfather's
sword.
598
00:46:17,508 --> 00:46:20,211
And Dad's sword too.
599
00:46:20,245 --> 00:46:22,981
See the "A.L."?
Mm-hmm.
600
00:46:23,014 --> 00:46:26,184
See?
"A.L."
601
00:46:30,221 --> 00:46:33,859
[ Sighs ]
And so how are your two boys
getting along?
602
00:46:33,892 --> 00:46:36,294
They're good.
Growing up.
603
00:46:36,327 --> 00:46:39,030
Do you remember
when I showed you...
604
00:46:39,064 --> 00:46:41,066
the romance
of the paper clips?
605
00:46:41,099 --> 00:46:42,533
Yes.
606
00:46:42,567 --> 00:46:44,936
It inspired you.
It inspired me.
607
00:46:46,972 --> 00:46:49,540
So how have you
been feeling?
608
00:46:49,574 --> 00:46:51,209
Pretty good.
Pretty good.
609
00:46:51,242 --> 00:46:53,511
Taking care of yourself?
Yeah.
610
00:46:53,544 --> 00:46:55,947
As you can see.
Yes.
611
00:46:55,981 --> 00:46:58,616
How are you doing
on your medicine?
Are you taking it?
612
00:46:58,649 --> 00:47:00,852
Oh, yeah.
Definitely,
definitely.
613
00:47:00,886 --> 00:47:02,854
So do you get out much?
And of course--
614
00:47:02,888 --> 00:47:06,257
Do you go out to eat
or do much in the community?
615
00:47:06,291 --> 00:47:08,593
Mmm.
Or do you mainly stay at home?
616
00:47:08,626 --> 00:47:10,095
Uh.
617
00:47:10,128 --> 00:47:13,231
[ Landis ]
In the Metropolitan.
In Atlanta?
618
00:47:13,264 --> 00:47:15,000
Yeah.
619
00:47:18,103 --> 00:47:20,205
Oh, I changed
my name, you know.
620
00:47:23,074 --> 00:47:24,876
[ Donna ]
So you gave them an icon?
621
00:47:24,910 --> 00:47:26,377
Yeah.
622
00:47:29,180 --> 00:47:31,616
You told them
that you lost your sister?
623
00:47:31,649 --> 00:47:35,420
Yeah.
I think it might
be better...
624
00:47:35,453 --> 00:47:39,891
not to mention
my mother anymore.
625
00:47:39,925 --> 00:47:41,927
For a while.
626
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:45,230
Okay.
Oh, I'll show you
Mother's picture.
627
00:47:45,263 --> 00:47:47,265
That's Mother
when she was 17.
628
00:47:47,298 --> 00:47:50,601
Mm-hmm.
I did that in high school.
629
00:47:50,635 --> 00:47:53,138
Did she pose for you,
or did you just do it?
630
00:47:53,171 --> 00:47:55,506
- No. I did it
from that photograph.
- Okay.
631
00:47:59,210 --> 00:48:01,679
[ English ]
Mark is one of those people who,
632
00:48:01,712 --> 00:48:04,249
you know, I think of often...
633
00:48:04,282 --> 00:48:06,918
and worry that he's doing okay.
634
00:48:08,253 --> 00:48:10,055
I'm really not sure
how I feel...
635
00:48:10,088 --> 00:48:12,590
about the escapades
that he goes on.
636
00:48:14,359 --> 00:48:18,063
But we want to protect
our clients' rights...
637
00:48:18,096 --> 00:48:20,365
to live a productive life.
638
00:48:20,398 --> 00:48:24,569
Unless he was a danger
to someone else or himself,
639
00:48:24,602 --> 00:48:28,206
Mark is in fact
in charge of himself.
640
00:48:31,309 --> 00:48:34,245
[ Horns Honking ]
641
00:48:38,749 --> 00:48:41,186
[ Man ]
I was called by an editor
one day from London,
642
00:48:41,219 --> 00:48:43,588
and she'd heard about Mark
and she said,
643
00:48:43,621 --> 00:48:46,091
"Would you be at all interested
in looking into it...
644
00:48:46,124 --> 00:48:49,961
'cause it sounds crazy
and interesting and strange."
645
00:48:51,329 --> 00:48:53,131
And I got some public records...
646
00:48:53,164 --> 00:48:55,600
of various numbers
of places he'd lived.
647
00:48:55,633 --> 00:48:57,468
He'd lived in a lot
of different places,
648
00:48:57,502 --> 00:49:00,205
and there were lots
of phone numbers listed.
649
00:49:00,238 --> 00:49:04,175
And I tried ringing
a few of them,
but I never got anywhere.
650
00:49:04,209 --> 00:49:07,445
And so I thought, well,
the only way to do this
is to go.
651
00:49:07,478 --> 00:49:09,380
To go to Laurel.
652
00:49:13,551 --> 00:49:17,155
And I thought,
well, when I'm down there,
I'll sort of poke around...
653
00:49:17,188 --> 00:49:19,324
and see if I can find his trail.
654
00:49:21,426 --> 00:49:25,030
I went to see the curator
of the local museum in Laurel.
655
00:49:25,063 --> 00:49:28,033
They mentioned
that they sometimes saw him
around town,
656
00:49:28,066 --> 00:49:31,736
and I had an address
for his mother's apartment
from the public records,
657
00:49:31,769 --> 00:49:34,372
and so I literally
just drove around there.
658
00:49:36,407 --> 00:49:38,543
It was a very strange place
for me.
659
00:49:38,576 --> 00:49:42,547
I'd never really been
to a small town
in Mississippi before.
660
00:49:44,082 --> 00:49:46,384
I had been told
that he was schizophrenic.
661
00:49:46,417 --> 00:49:49,320
Uh, certainly the way
that people talked about Mark,
662
00:49:49,354 --> 00:49:52,423
they talked about him as if
he was somebody quite strange,
663
00:49:52,457 --> 00:49:56,594
and I was a little bit nervous
about being there by myself.
664
00:49:58,629 --> 00:50:00,698
But I rang on the doorbell.
665
00:50:00,731 --> 00:50:04,469
There was a light on inside,
and I could hear
this classical music playing.
666
00:50:05,670 --> 00:50:08,005
But there was no reply.
Nothing.
667
00:50:09,674 --> 00:50:12,577
By that time,
I was really getting
quite obsessed by it,
668
00:50:12,610 --> 00:50:14,779
and I'd spoken
to a couple of the neighbors,
669
00:50:14,812 --> 00:50:16,781
and they'd talked about Mark
a little bit.
670
00:50:16,814 --> 00:50:19,217
And so I really, really wanted
to meet him.
671
00:50:21,219 --> 00:50:23,688
All afternoon, nothing.
672
00:50:23,721 --> 00:50:26,291
I saw the light go on,
the light go off,
673
00:50:26,324 --> 00:50:29,660
but it was just like
he was so obstinate,
he was not gonna come out.
674
00:50:32,330 --> 00:50:35,300
At dusk I drove away,
and I was really regretful.
675
00:50:35,333 --> 00:50:38,403
I thought, "I'm never gonna
actually see him."
676
00:50:41,272 --> 00:50:46,177
Literally the next week,
I was walking along the street
and my mobile phone rang.
677
00:50:48,879 --> 00:50:52,083
And I just--
I realized it was Landis.
678
00:50:52,117 --> 00:50:54,552
And I thought, "Oh, my God.
He's calling me."
679
00:50:59,224 --> 00:51:02,460
[ Cowan, Over Phone ]
The point at which you realized
that you had been discovered,
680
00:51:02,493 --> 00:51:04,129
when did that happen?
681
00:51:04,162 --> 00:51:05,663
See, it's the Financial--
682
00:51:05,696 --> 00:51:08,266
I remember John was calling
all the time...
683
00:51:08,299 --> 00:51:10,568
but I thought it was
something to do with...
684
00:51:10,601 --> 00:51:13,238
wanting me to subscribe
or something.
685
00:51:13,271 --> 00:51:16,141
I don't know.
He's such a gentleman.
686
00:51:16,174 --> 00:51:19,744
Fair play and a straight bat.
687
00:51:31,556 --> 00:51:33,591
They don't really think
about it much, you know?
688
00:51:33,624 --> 00:51:36,827
'Cause I always knew
they'd find out sooner or later.
689
00:51:36,861 --> 00:51:38,863
I mean,
they're always going to.
690
00:51:38,896 --> 00:51:42,900
You know, it's either today
or might be 10 years...
691
00:51:42,933 --> 00:51:46,537
or maybe 20 years or 30 years.
692
00:51:46,571 --> 00:51:51,509
Sometimes I used to think--
Until a couple years ago,
I used to think,
693
00:51:51,542 --> 00:51:54,745
"Why not just spend
the rest of my life
doing this?"
694
00:51:54,779 --> 00:51:58,549
It's clearly my--
my, uh--
my calling.
695
00:52:30,748 --> 00:52:33,751
That was my idea
to put the raincoat on.
696
00:52:33,784 --> 00:52:38,889
Like on all those movies
where some shifty-looking guy
comes up on the street.
697
00:52:45,463 --> 00:52:51,836
"Moi, Mark Landis, peintre,
et philanthrope."
698
00:52:51,869 --> 00:52:53,738
I like that.
699
00:52:55,506 --> 00:52:57,708
Actually, I didn't read it
that closely.
700
00:53:00,678 --> 00:53:05,883
In some ways, Mark was unlucky
that he provoked
Matt Leininger...
701
00:53:05,916 --> 00:53:09,987
because he has been doing this
for decades...
702
00:53:10,020 --> 00:53:14,225
without anybody
really getting on his trail.
703
00:53:14,259 --> 00:53:18,929
And it was Matt
that really took offense
at what he'd done...
704
00:53:18,963 --> 00:53:21,732
and decided
that he would get him.
705
00:53:28,506 --> 00:53:30,275
Hey, Katie.
What?
706
00:53:30,308 --> 00:53:31,676
Look at this.
707
00:53:31,709 --> 00:53:33,411
Who's that?
708
00:53:33,444 --> 00:53:36,414
- That's Mark Landis.
- Yeah, Mark Landis.
That's right.
709
00:53:36,447 --> 00:53:37,882
Are you crazy?
710
00:53:37,915 --> 00:53:39,950
Am I crazy?
Mm-hmm.
711
00:53:39,984 --> 00:53:43,254
Um, no.
[ Laughs ]
712
00:53:44,389 --> 00:53:46,724
Look at this.
713
00:53:46,757 --> 00:53:48,393
Mark Landis.
And who's that?
714
00:53:48,426 --> 00:53:49,560
Mark Landis.
715
00:53:51,662 --> 00:53:54,599
[ Katie ]
You don't like
Mark Landis anymore?
716
00:53:54,632 --> 00:53:56,767
Well, I was frustrated
with Landis...
717
00:53:56,801 --> 00:53:59,337
and angry with him
when I first
found out about him,
718
00:53:59,370 --> 00:54:01,306
but I'm not mad
at Landis anymore, no.
719
00:54:01,339 --> 00:54:05,443
But are you mad at girls
and the boys at your old job?
720
00:54:06,844 --> 00:54:08,946
Am I mad at the guys
and girls at my old job?
721
00:54:08,979 --> 00:54:10,781
Mm-hmm.
No.
722
00:54:10,815 --> 00:54:14,018
That's in my past, Katie.
I'm not gonna let
anything like that--
723
00:54:14,051 --> 00:54:17,288
Can you put that back
in there for Dad
if I hold this up?
724
00:54:17,322 --> 00:54:19,990
Here, slide it in real easy.
725
00:54:26,831 --> 00:54:29,467
[ Gapper ]
One of the first things
Mark said to me...
726
00:54:29,500 --> 00:54:31,669
when he'd admitted
what he'd been doing...
727
00:54:31,702 --> 00:54:35,840
was that he was worried
that he will simply become
too well known...
728
00:54:35,873 --> 00:54:39,744
that nobody will let him
in a museum ever again.
729
00:55:01,098 --> 00:55:03,434
[ Landis ]
I remember
I was trying to think...
730
00:55:03,468 --> 00:55:06,904
of things
that might calm me down.
731
00:55:06,937 --> 00:55:11,442
I went to the emergency room,
and I got whatever that is.
732
00:55:11,476 --> 00:55:13,043
Made me throw up.
733
00:55:13,077 --> 00:55:16,447
"Lorzapam."
Yep.
"Lorazepam."
734
00:55:16,481 --> 00:55:19,484
Yeah, and then I thought--
I noticed on TCN,
735
00:55:19,517 --> 00:55:22,987
they were always having
cigarettes to calm down.
736
00:55:23,020 --> 00:55:27,992
And I was sort of desperate,
and I thought
I would try a cigarette.
737
00:55:28,025 --> 00:55:30,561
But of course I wasn't
doing it for--
738
00:55:30,595 --> 00:55:36,066
You know, all these influences
kind of get to you, you know?
739
00:55:36,100 --> 00:55:39,870
And they always recommend
"Have a cigarette." You know?
740
00:55:39,904 --> 00:55:44,509
And I thought
maybe it will help
to calm me down...
741
00:55:44,542 --> 00:55:47,845
so I don't keep pacing
up and down.
742
00:56:00,157 --> 00:56:01,826
[ Sighs ]
743
00:56:05,195 --> 00:56:08,699
I'm guarded about anything...
744
00:56:08,733 --> 00:56:12,937
that casts aspersions on...
745
00:56:12,970 --> 00:56:14,872
your integrity.
746
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:18,843
And, uh--
747
00:56:22,212 --> 00:56:24,749
And that's dishonorable
and unethical.
748
00:56:28,753 --> 00:56:32,823
Didn't have much
of a reputation, but--
749
00:56:32,857 --> 00:56:35,960
Well, you know it...
really got ruined,
750
00:56:35,993 --> 00:56:41,899
uh, uh, more so
than they thought even.
751
00:56:44,001 --> 00:56:47,438
I worry that it's--
I'm going to be--
752
00:56:47,472 --> 00:56:51,075
I'm going to be like Dad--
753
00:56:51,108 --> 00:56:55,480
as a crook and a drinker
and a smoker, you know.
754
00:56:55,513 --> 00:56:58,182
Which is all pretty bad.
755
00:56:58,215 --> 00:57:00,885
It's pretty negative, you know?
756
00:57:00,918 --> 00:57:02,753
That, uh--
757
00:57:04,522 --> 00:57:07,825
Necessity is
the mother of invention--
758
00:57:07,858 --> 00:57:11,529
sometimes the stepmother
of deception.
759
00:57:13,230 --> 00:57:15,700
That pretty much
takes care of things.
760
00:57:15,733 --> 00:57:17,001
[ Screams ]
761
00:57:17,034 --> 00:57:18,803
Lights!
Turn on the lights!
762
00:57:21,506 --> 00:57:26,744
I can't believe that
Professor Bowen and Carlotta
would purposely deceive us.
763
00:57:26,777 --> 00:57:30,681
Necessity, mother of invention,
764
00:57:30,715 --> 00:57:33,984
but sometimes
stepmother of deception.
765
00:57:45,162 --> 00:57:47,197
[ Woman ]
Mark?
766
00:57:47,231 --> 00:57:48,799
Hey.
Hi.
767
00:57:57,675 --> 00:57:58,909
Okay.
122.
768
00:58:00,845 --> 00:58:02,580
How's your appetite?
769
00:58:02,613 --> 00:58:04,982
Pretty good.
770
00:58:05,015 --> 00:58:06,684
[ Typing ]
771
00:58:08,953 --> 00:58:11,121
Any suicidal thoughts?
No.
772
00:58:12,623 --> 00:58:14,692
Wanting to hurt
anyone else?
No.
773
00:58:14,725 --> 00:58:17,862
Are you hearing voices
or seeing--
No.
774
00:58:17,895 --> 00:58:22,066
How's your mother?
She still with you?
775
00:58:22,099 --> 00:58:24,201
No.
No?
776
00:58:24,234 --> 00:58:27,605
Um, she passed away.
Oh, I'm sorry.
I didn't know that.
777
00:58:27,638 --> 00:58:29,840
When did she pass away?
778
00:58:29,874 --> 00:58:32,309
Two years ago.
Two years ago?
779
00:58:32,342 --> 00:58:34,745
I didn't realize that.
I'm so sorry.
780
00:58:34,779 --> 00:58:37,615
I think I met her
back when Katrina
came through.
781
00:58:37,648 --> 00:58:40,050
I thought I told you.
The what?
782
00:58:40,084 --> 00:58:42,853
I thought I told you.
Well, that's all right.
783
00:58:42,887 --> 00:58:44,589
I'm sorry.
Don't worry about it.
784
00:58:44,622 --> 00:58:47,925
How are you doing
since she's gone?
Oh, okay.
785
00:58:55,099 --> 00:58:58,068
[ Landis ]
I got addicted
to being a philanthropist.
786
00:59:01,906 --> 00:59:05,843
When you're doing it
or something,
787
00:59:05,876 --> 00:59:10,314
uh, you kind of believe it...
788
00:59:10,347 --> 00:59:12,850
while you're giving things away.
789
00:59:12,883 --> 00:59:15,853
You believe it
while it's going on, you know.
790
00:59:15,886 --> 00:59:19,189
Like a part.
Like those guys on--
that are really good at it.
791
00:59:19,223 --> 00:59:22,359
You know, good actors,
you know, those ones.
792
00:59:22,392 --> 00:59:25,830
Not that I think of it as act--
being an actor,
793
00:59:25,863 --> 00:59:27,765
but in any event,
794
00:59:27,798 --> 00:59:31,702
I just wasn't really used
to having anybody treat me
like that.
795
00:59:31,736 --> 00:59:33,771
Actually,
I wasn't used to it all--
796
00:59:33,804 --> 00:59:36,741
Used to.
I mean, it seldom happened.
797
00:59:36,774 --> 00:59:39,076
Let's put it like th--
Let's put it like that.
798
00:59:39,109 --> 00:59:44,181
Seldom happened
that people were nice to me.
799
00:59:52,156 --> 00:59:54,792
** [ Country On P.A. ]
800
00:59:54,825 --> 00:59:57,061
[ Chattering ]
801
01:00:37,868 --> 01:00:39,636
[ Crickets Chirping ]
802
01:00:49,413 --> 01:00:51,648
[ Cicadas Chirring ]
803
01:01:08,933 --> 01:01:10,801
[ Camera Shutter Clicks ]
804
01:01:15,906 --> 01:01:20,911
I kind of have a feel
for the way
that things should flow.
805
01:01:20,945 --> 01:01:23,080
Okay.
Possibly this wall
and this wall...
806
01:01:23,113 --> 01:01:27,117
will be little snapshots
of notable figures...
807
01:01:27,151 --> 01:01:32,289
that demonstrate
what is different
about his particular case--
808
01:01:32,322 --> 01:01:36,193
Okay.
versus other forgers
of the past really.
809
01:01:36,226 --> 01:01:38,929
[ Leininger ]
Aaron Cowan and I
used to be coworkers...
810
01:01:38,963 --> 01:01:40,731
at Cincinnati Art Museum.
811
01:01:40,765 --> 01:01:43,901
And he read the story
in the New York Times.
812
01:01:43,934 --> 01:01:46,470
And he says, "Have you thought
about doing an exhibition?"
813
01:01:46,503 --> 01:01:51,375
I said, "Absolutely,
and I believe that I could get
the lenders for the show,
814
01:01:51,408 --> 01:01:53,744
but I don't have a venue."
815
01:01:53,778 --> 01:01:56,246
Up on the east coast,
he went further north.
816
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:58,048
He skipped Texas.
817
01:01:58,082 --> 01:02:00,317
Yeah.
That's interesting.
818
01:02:00,350 --> 01:02:02,319
That is interesting, isn't it?
819
01:02:02,352 --> 01:02:05,355
[ Cowan ]
The show focuses on...
820
01:02:05,389 --> 01:02:09,960
using a predecessor's work
as inspiration...
821
01:02:09,994 --> 01:02:12,296
versus simply plagiarizing
the work.
822
01:02:13,931 --> 01:02:18,869
Throughout here,
we'll be showing
the different...
823
01:02:18,903 --> 01:02:21,839
gifts that he made
in the different locations.
824
01:02:21,872 --> 01:02:24,308
So it is literally
a timeline.
Potentially, yes.
825
01:02:24,341 --> 01:02:29,980
Wouldn't it be great
to get these forgeries together
in one place...
826
01:02:30,014 --> 01:02:32,883
and then invite Landis
as guest of honor?
827
01:02:32,917 --> 01:02:36,887
At that point,
it sort of brings us up
to the point at which Matt,
828
01:02:36,921 --> 01:02:40,257
uh, discovered the forgeries
that they had.
Okay.
829
01:02:42,492 --> 01:02:45,395
[ Leininger ]
It's not going
to glamorize Landis.
830
01:02:45,429 --> 01:02:50,901
It's going to be about educating
and telling people don't take
things at face value.
831
01:02:50,935 --> 01:02:53,370
Do your due diligence,
and here are examples...
832
01:02:53,403 --> 01:02:58,208
of some of these institutions
that, um--
that were duped.
833
01:02:58,242 --> 01:03:01,511
So how do you feel about, uh,
there being an exhibition?
834
01:03:03,447 --> 01:03:06,383
Uh, well, I-I--
835
01:03:06,416 --> 01:03:09,353
I think that's pretty nice
of you.
836
01:03:09,386 --> 01:03:12,422
It's, uh, uh--
837
01:03:12,456 --> 01:03:15,025
I'll send you
some good things...
838
01:03:15,059 --> 01:03:18,896
'cause you can't have
all that much space.
839
01:03:18,929 --> 01:03:21,065
So you wouldn't need that many.
840
01:03:21,098 --> 01:03:24,301
Oh, we've got a pretty good--
good-sized gallery here.
841
01:03:24,334 --> 01:03:27,304
- Oh. Well, all right.
- You might be surprised.
842
01:03:27,337 --> 01:03:30,374
'Cause I can send you
some good things I did.
843
01:03:30,407 --> 01:03:35,212
I did things that were
pretty bad, but I was--
844
01:03:35,245 --> 01:03:38,182
I mean--
I mean the pictures, you know.
845
01:03:38,215 --> 01:03:40,550
[ Chuckling ]
You know what I mean.
846
01:03:44,288 --> 01:03:48,025
Okay, I'm gonna write down
this FedEx number.
847
01:04:31,268 --> 01:04:33,570
** [ Classical ]
848
01:05:13,577 --> 01:05:15,479
[ Grunts Softly ]
849
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:45,309
Hi, Matt.
How's it going?
850
01:05:45,342 --> 01:05:47,544
Good.
How are you?
851
01:05:47,577 --> 01:05:50,380
I cannot believe this.
852
01:05:50,414 --> 01:05:52,449
There's
the Alfred Jacob Millers.
853
01:05:55,052 --> 01:05:56,553
I didn't think
they were so small.
854
01:06:05,095 --> 01:06:07,631
Geez.
He just went all out.
855
01:06:07,664 --> 01:06:11,701
See, this is an older paper.
I mean, you can't
distress foxing.
856
01:06:11,735 --> 01:06:14,271
You know, you can't make paper,
you know--
857
01:06:14,304 --> 01:06:16,573
That's what that is.
That's foxing in the paper.
858
01:06:16,606 --> 01:06:20,610
Where he got it, I don't know.
All I can say is what I know.
859
01:06:20,644 --> 01:06:22,646
What is this?
860
01:06:25,049 --> 01:06:26,550
[ Chuckles ]
861
01:06:26,583 --> 01:06:29,319
Oh, Landis.
Landis.
862
01:06:35,759 --> 01:06:39,363
It'd be really interesting
to peel this back and see
if it smells like coffee.
863
01:06:39,396 --> 01:06:42,099
And Dr. Seuss.
My daughter would love this.
864
01:06:42,132 --> 01:06:44,201
She loves Cat in the Hat.
865
01:06:44,234 --> 01:06:45,735
Unbelievable.
866
01:06:52,209 --> 01:06:55,445
A treaty warrant?
Treasurer of the Republic
of Texas?
867
01:06:55,479 --> 01:06:58,482
Mm-hmm.
Are you serious?
868
01:06:58,515 --> 01:07:00,750
This is a f--
This is a forged
official document.
869
01:07:02,686 --> 01:07:05,555
Oh, yeah.
I totally see the pixels.
870
01:07:07,091 --> 01:07:08,758
And there's more coming?
871
01:07:08,792 --> 01:07:10,794
That's my understanding.
872
01:07:10,827 --> 01:07:13,597
How many do we have here?
873
01:07:13,630 --> 01:07:16,600
Well, we're just
going through 'em now.
874
01:07:16,633 --> 01:07:19,236
You gotta turn it.
Oh, you turn it.
Okay.
875
01:07:19,269 --> 01:07:21,405
All right.
876
01:07:21,438 --> 01:07:24,074
Oh, yeah, look at that.
877
01:07:24,108 --> 01:07:26,110
See, everywhere
where there's not paint,
878
01:07:26,143 --> 01:07:28,412
that's the digital reproduction
underneath of it.
879
01:07:28,445 --> 01:07:30,580
Have you looked at the Picasso
underneath the black light?
880
01:07:33,617 --> 01:07:35,319
Nice.
881
01:07:35,352 --> 01:07:37,487
[ Chuckles ]
882
01:07:37,521 --> 01:07:39,789
There you go.
883
01:07:39,823 --> 01:07:42,659
There it is there.
Look at all that
throughout the face.
884
01:07:42,692 --> 01:07:43,427
Yeah.
885
01:07:45,229 --> 01:07:46,730
Now let's go down
to the signature.
886
01:07:46,763 --> 01:07:48,498
It's not that fluorescent.
887
01:07:50,700 --> 01:07:54,338
You know, when you're receiving
works like this,
888
01:07:54,371 --> 01:07:59,109
you have got to scrutinize
the gifts.
889
01:07:59,143 --> 01:08:02,812
I mean, you have to be careful.
You have to do
your due diligence.
890
01:08:02,846 --> 01:08:06,616
So it's a men's
38-regular jacket.
891
01:08:12,589 --> 01:08:16,226
Well, it definitely shows
his size,
and he is a little guy.
892
01:08:45,689 --> 01:08:47,557
[ Blowing ]
893
01:08:56,333 --> 01:08:58,802
[ Beeping ]
894
01:09:15,352 --> 01:09:16,820
I think she's got
a problem.
895
01:09:16,853 --> 01:09:21,258
Ethel's got her hair
all skinned back
like a wet Pekingese.
896
01:09:27,597 --> 01:09:30,867
Well, now that you
have been discovered, um,
897
01:09:30,900 --> 01:09:33,570
do you plan on continuing
to gift?
898
01:09:33,603 --> 01:09:37,241
I-I kinda had--
thought I'd wanna think
about it.
899
01:10:09,939 --> 01:10:13,277
There just isn't anything
to do, you know?
900
01:10:13,310 --> 01:10:16,980
You just sit and watch TV,
you know, and--
901
01:10:17,013 --> 01:10:19,316
Uh--
902
01:10:19,349 --> 01:10:23,487
[ Cowan ]
Well, you've done it
pretty recently, haven't you?
903
01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:25,455
[ Landis ]
Oh, yeah.
I know, I know.
904
01:10:25,489 --> 01:10:27,291
I know
what you're talking about.
905
01:10:27,324 --> 01:10:29,793
Yeah, I went
to a bunch of places that day.
906
01:10:33,863 --> 01:10:37,301
[ Cowan ]
I should probably
be clear with you.
907
01:10:37,334 --> 01:10:40,437
I personally do find
what you're doing to be wrong,
908
01:10:40,470 --> 01:10:44,708
but I don't think
that you're doing it
in a mean-spirited way.
909
01:10:44,741 --> 01:10:48,845
But I certainly have to ask you
if you would consider to--
910
01:10:48,878 --> 01:10:51,848
to stop doing what you're doing.
911
01:11:04,861 --> 01:11:07,331
[ Siren Wails In Distance ]
912
01:11:38,895 --> 01:11:41,631
[ Siren Wails In Distance ]
913
01:12:06,656 --> 01:12:08,792
Where's the thing--
Where's the thing you put--
914
01:12:12,796 --> 01:12:14,964
I went out and smoked anyway.
915
01:12:14,998 --> 01:12:18,868
It's all this...
not-eat fasting, you know?
916
01:12:18,902 --> 01:12:21,471
Wow, I gotta sit down.
917
01:12:38,955 --> 01:12:40,990
This time what's wrong with me?
918
01:12:43,460 --> 01:12:47,897
[ Sighs ]
I don't see
why I am so keyed up now.
919
01:12:47,931 --> 01:12:50,567
Still, what's wrong with me?
920
01:12:54,738 --> 01:12:59,776
Like, you know,
all those science fiction shows,
you know?
921
01:12:59,809 --> 01:13:04,981
People would be better off
if they could be
proper Vulcans, you know?
922
01:13:05,014 --> 01:13:08,985
I mean, the real thing,
not like on that show.
923
01:13:09,018 --> 01:13:12,756
You know, and not have emotions,
you know?
924
01:13:12,789 --> 01:13:15,124
Then you wouldn't get
so upset by things.
925
01:13:16,693 --> 01:13:21,431
But it'll probably be
a million years before...
926
01:13:21,465 --> 01:13:25,602
human beings evolve
to that point.
927
01:13:44,788 --> 01:13:46,790
That's not too bad.
928
01:13:54,130 --> 01:13:56,633
[ People Chattering ]
929
01:14:03,540 --> 01:14:05,642
Well, he didn't get
in trouble for it.
930
01:14:05,675 --> 01:14:08,044
He's just kind of famous for it.
931
01:14:08,077 --> 01:14:10,680
But you can see through--
But you can tell...
932
01:14:10,714 --> 01:14:12,849
a lot of difference.
933
01:14:12,882 --> 01:14:14,518
[ Woman ]
Wow, that's amazing.
934
01:14:15,719 --> 01:14:17,587
[ Chattering Continues ]
935
01:14:19,088 --> 01:14:21,525
...that his work
is just pretty stunning.
936
01:14:21,558 --> 01:14:25,061
As a painter and a draftsman,
he's really quite talented.
937
01:14:32,869 --> 01:14:34,638
[ Leininger ]
I don't know what to expect,
938
01:14:34,671 --> 01:14:36,973
and I don't know
what his expectation is.
939
01:14:37,006 --> 01:14:40,076
When I see him,
I just don't know what to say.
940
01:14:40,109 --> 01:14:42,579
'Cause I--
I mean, honestly,
I-I-I--
941
01:14:42,612 --> 01:14:46,550
I don't know if even--
if I want to say,
"Good to see you again."
942
01:14:46,583 --> 01:14:49,018
I think it's just gonna be,
"Hey, I'm Matt Leininger."
943
01:14:49,052 --> 01:14:51,187
Oh, don't feel like
you even have to say anything.
944
01:14:51,220 --> 01:14:55,091
I don't think, you know?
It's, uh, short and honest,
I guess.
945
01:14:55,124 --> 01:14:57,193
[ Laughs ]
946
01:15:00,664 --> 01:15:02,098
[ Coughs ]
947
01:15:25,689 --> 01:15:27,290
[ Man ]
How are you?
Nice to see you again.
948
01:15:27,323 --> 01:15:29,058
Nice to see you.
Hi.
949
01:15:29,092 --> 01:15:31,094
Nice to see you.
Hi, Mr. Landis.
How are you?
950
01:15:31,127 --> 01:15:33,062
Are you Aaron?
Good, thanks.
951
01:15:33,096 --> 01:15:36,099
You're-You're Aaron?
I'm-I'm the dean
of C.C.M.
952
01:15:36,132 --> 01:15:37,967
Uh, the conservatory
of music.
953
01:15:43,306 --> 01:15:46,075
Holy cow.
He made it here.
954
01:15:46,109 --> 01:15:48,077
You look like an artist,
all right.
955
01:15:48,111 --> 01:15:50,013
Yeah.
You sure do.
956
01:15:50,046 --> 01:15:53,683
I know you were--
You're-You're an artist
from central casting.
957
01:15:53,717 --> 01:15:55,985
- [ Chuckles ]
- You know?
958
01:15:56,019 --> 01:15:57,821
Well, you're quite
an artist yourself.
959
01:15:57,854 --> 01:16:00,790
You look like a--
like-like a beatnik artist.
960
01:16:00,824 --> 01:16:04,961
He'll be out there for two hours
speaking 'cause nobody can get
a word in edgewise.
961
01:16:04,994 --> 01:16:06,262
[ Chuckling ]
962
01:16:06,295 --> 01:16:08,131
I bet you designed it.
She did.
963
01:16:08,164 --> 01:16:11,000
I made it.
I made it, and I made these.
That's really nice.
964
01:16:11,034 --> 01:16:13,870
Oh, and you did the ear--
You mean, you actually
made those?
965
01:16:13,903 --> 01:16:17,206
Yes.
By hand with a coping saw,
soldering.
966
01:16:17,240 --> 01:16:20,777
Well, that's--
The stone I found on--
967
01:16:20,810 --> 01:16:25,281
I'll tell you--
I tell you, arts and crafts
is just the greatest thing.
968
01:16:25,314 --> 01:16:27,851
And watch TV
when you do it too.
969
01:16:27,884 --> 01:16:31,220
May I... say something to you?
970
01:16:31,254 --> 01:16:33,189
Oh, yeah, sure.
I'm very straightforward,
971
01:16:33,222 --> 01:16:35,124
and I'm not trying
to be offensive either.
972
01:16:35,158 --> 01:16:36,960
No, she's never offensive.
973
01:16:36,993 --> 01:16:40,129
But your work is so nice--
It's amazing.
974
01:16:40,163 --> 01:16:44,367
Why don't you just do it
yourself
and put your name on it--
975
01:16:44,400 --> 01:16:48,104
Oh, yeah.
rather than copying
somebody else?
976
01:16:48,137 --> 01:16:50,373
Well, I did
The Young Virgin.
977
01:16:50,406 --> 01:16:51,975
Oh, you did?
978
01:16:54,243 --> 01:16:56,045
So you're gonna give me
a tour?
979
01:16:56,079 --> 01:16:58,214
Uh, cer-- Certainly.
I can take you around.
980
01:16:58,247 --> 01:16:59,949
I think that you
should probably--
981
01:16:59,983 --> 01:17:02,919
Nobody ever looks like
what you think
they'll look like.
982
01:17:02,952 --> 01:17:06,422
Well, I had the good fortune
of seeing photographs of you
beforehand.
983
01:17:06,455 --> 01:17:10,994
Uh, uh, Mr. Landis,
uh, you might be interested
to meet this gentleman.
984
01:17:11,027 --> 01:17:12,929
This is, uh,
Matthew Leininger.
Hi, I'm Matthew Leininger.
985
01:17:12,962 --> 01:17:15,899
Oh, nice to see--
Nice to see you again.
986
01:17:15,932 --> 01:17:19,068
Yeah, nice to see you too.
It's been about five years.
987
01:17:19,102 --> 01:17:21,137
Did you have safe travels?
988
01:17:21,170 --> 01:17:25,074
I'll tell-- We--
I couldn't have talked to you
for very long.
989
01:17:25,108 --> 01:17:28,244
Couldn't have been
more than a few minutes.
990
01:17:28,277 --> 01:17:31,014
Well, anyway,
nice to see you again.
Nice to see you.
991
01:17:31,047 --> 01:17:33,783
Nice to see you too.
And, um--
992
01:17:33,817 --> 01:17:36,886
Oh, we-we-well--
You're gonna give me a--
give me a tour?
993
01:17:36,920 --> 01:17:39,255
- You gonna come along?
- I would love to come along
with you guys.
994
01:17:39,288 --> 01:17:41,958
Oh, come along.
Come along.
995
01:17:41,991 --> 01:17:44,060
I'm terribly sorry if I--
But listen--
996
01:17:44,093 --> 01:17:48,364
anything I can do for you,
you just let me know,
you know?
997
01:17:48,397 --> 01:17:50,700
You can stop.
Oh, yeah, definitely.
998
01:17:54,170 --> 01:17:57,206
Hey, did I get
the colors right on that?
999
01:17:57,240 --> 01:17:59,709
What-What are
the real colors?
1000
01:17:59,743 --> 01:18:01,177
What--
It'd be--
On the Valtat?
1001
01:18:01,210 --> 01:18:03,112
It'd be kind of funny to know.
1002
01:18:03,146 --> 01:18:05,081
[ Leininger ]
But I see that you used
the same colors...
1003
01:18:05,114 --> 01:18:07,183
that you did
in your Signac drawings.
1004
01:18:12,822 --> 01:18:15,191
Do you think that
reproductions in catalogs...
1005
01:18:15,224 --> 01:18:20,096
are true representations
of what the artist's intent?
1006
01:18:20,129 --> 01:18:24,400
Definitely not,
because there's no telling
what the real colors are like.
1007
01:18:24,433 --> 01:18:26,936
Yeah.
They always get it wrong.
1008
01:18:26,970 --> 01:18:28,772
Well, you know,
sometimes, you know,
1009
01:18:28,805 --> 01:18:31,407
reproductions in catalogs
can be true to--
1010
01:18:31,440 --> 01:18:33,777
Yeah.
I just had to guess,
you know?
1011
01:18:41,818 --> 01:18:43,853
[ Indistinct ]
1012
01:19:14,083 --> 01:19:16,853
[ Landis ]
I've seen all this stuff,
to tell you the truth.
1013
01:19:16,886 --> 01:19:19,222
[ Laughs ]
So you're not interested
in seeing this?
1014
01:19:19,255 --> 01:19:23,092
Nah.
Is there anybody nice to talk to
like those other people?
1015
01:19:23,126 --> 01:19:25,228
Well, I'm nice to talk to.
Oh, yeah, sure.
1016
01:19:25,261 --> 01:19:26,996
Did I say you weren't?
No.
1017
01:19:27,030 --> 01:19:30,033
I said, "Is there anybody
nice to talk to?"
[ Chuckles ]
1018
01:19:30,066 --> 01:19:31,801
Well, yeah,
I guess it does--
1019
01:19:31,835 --> 01:19:34,203
I should've said,
"Is there anybody else
nice to"--
1020
01:19:34,237 --> 01:19:36,139
Oh, yeah, there's a bunch
of nice people in there.
1021
01:19:36,172 --> 01:19:38,207
I'm not running
for office.
Oh, I know.
1022
01:19:38,241 --> 01:19:39,843
I'm not a politician.
I know.
1023
01:19:39,876 --> 01:19:41,477
I slip up all the time.
1024
01:19:41,510 --> 01:19:44,280
No, I think everybody
in this room is nice.
1025
01:19:44,313 --> 01:19:47,817
There must be somebody that--
Any art students around?
1026
01:19:47,851 --> 01:19:50,954
Oh, I'm sure.
I'm certain many of these
young people are art students.
1027
01:19:50,987 --> 01:19:52,922
Let's talk
to some art students.
1028
01:19:52,956 --> 01:19:55,058
Why don't you guys go ahead,
and I'll catch up with you.
1029
01:19:58,461 --> 01:20:00,163
[ Landis ]
Are you an art student?
1030
01:20:00,196 --> 01:20:03,132
Oh, pleasure to meet you.
Nice to meet you.
1031
01:20:03,166 --> 01:20:05,101
Where are you from, Italy?
Iran.
1032
01:20:05,134 --> 01:20:06,035
Huh?
Iran.
1033
01:20:06,069 --> 01:20:07,436
Oh, no kidding?
1034
01:20:07,470 --> 01:20:09,906
Wow. God bless.
You're an artist, right?
1035
01:20:09,939 --> 01:20:11,374
Yeah.
Oh.
1036
01:20:14,443 --> 01:20:17,413
Hey, how are you?
You look like an artist.
1037
01:20:17,446 --> 01:20:19,983
I'm an artist.
I'm the dean
of the college here.
1038
01:20:20,016 --> 01:20:22,151
Oh.
I'm Mark Landis.
Pleasure to meet you.
1039
01:20:22,185 --> 01:20:23,953
Yeah, I know.
I'm happy to meet you.
1040
01:20:23,987 --> 01:20:26,890
Anybody--
I-I get back, but--
1041
01:20:26,923 --> 01:20:28,624
What do you think
about your show?
1042
01:20:28,657 --> 01:20:31,260
Oh, it's real nice of you.
Thanks a lot.
1043
01:20:31,294 --> 01:20:32,996
Oh, you're welcome.
1044
01:20:33,029 --> 01:20:35,398
I-I'm not really an artist.
I-I used to--
1045
01:20:35,431 --> 01:20:39,102
Yeah, you are.
I used to like to do
arts and crafts, yeah.
1046
01:20:39,135 --> 01:20:43,006
When I'm watching TV.
Got used to it, you know.
1047
01:20:43,039 --> 01:20:46,943
You should do paintings
with your real own name.
1048
01:20:46,976 --> 01:20:48,477
Yeah, oh, yeah.
Well, I used to.
1049
01:20:48,511 --> 01:20:50,546
And you should exhibit them
in galleries.
I used to.
1050
01:20:50,579 --> 01:20:52,515
I did--
I did that.
1051
01:20:52,548 --> 01:20:54,283
That's got my name on it.
1052
01:20:57,253 --> 01:20:59,923
[ Shutter Clicking ]
1053
01:20:59,956 --> 01:21:03,426
Why don't you pick
a church or a scene
that you're interested in,
1054
01:21:03,459 --> 01:21:06,229
paint it,
and you can make five paintings
of the same piece?
1055
01:21:06,262 --> 01:21:09,232
I like pictures
of saints and martyrs
and stuff like that.
1056
01:21:09,265 --> 01:21:13,903
And Joan of--
She's our patron saint,
you know.
1057
01:21:20,176 --> 01:21:22,478
Looks like a lot of people
have been here.
1058
01:21:22,511 --> 01:21:25,614
You know how students are--
freeloaders.
1059
01:21:25,648 --> 01:21:27,683
[ Laughs ]
1060
01:21:27,716 --> 01:21:30,119
At least they used to--
Okay, I'm a permanent student.
1061
01:21:30,153 --> 01:21:31,687
Are you
a permanent student?
1062
01:21:31,720 --> 01:21:34,958
I'm a--
I was a nontraditional
student too.
1063
01:21:34,991 --> 01:21:37,961
[ Indistinct ]
I never--
I never got a degree.
1064
01:21:37,994 --> 01:21:40,529
I'm glad I--
I'm lucky to have
a high school diploma.
1065
01:21:40,563 --> 01:21:42,398
But you must have been
very talented.
1066
01:21:42,431 --> 01:21:45,434
You probably were
a little genius
when you were a little boy.
1067
01:21:45,468 --> 01:21:47,070
Here.
Would you like a glass?
1068
01:21:47,103 --> 01:21:50,139
Eh, I never drink...
wine.
1069
01:21:50,173 --> 01:21:51,707
Oh, you don't?
1070
01:21:51,740 --> 01:21:54,377
You saw Dracula.
1071
01:21:54,410 --> 01:21:56,245
You remember Dracula.
1072
01:21:56,279 --> 01:22:00,149
Yeah, I do.
That's Bela Lugosi's
most famous line.
1073
01:22:00,183 --> 01:22:03,119
Oh.
"I never drink... wine."
1074
01:22:03,152 --> 01:22:04,287
[ Laughs ]
[ Chuckles ]
1075
01:22:06,555 --> 01:22:08,624
Hey.
There you go.
You're welcome.
1076
01:22:08,657 --> 01:22:12,561
Well, nice to meet you.
Nice to meet you too.
1077
01:22:17,400 --> 01:22:19,335
Okay, bye.
Bye.
1078
01:22:19,368 --> 01:22:21,104
[ Indistinct ]
Okay.
1079
01:22:21,137 --> 01:22:23,672
Yeah.
Watch your step.
Thank you.
1080
01:22:29,345 --> 01:22:31,981
Well, Mark, I don't wanna take
any more of your time.
1081
01:22:32,015 --> 01:22:35,118
Hey, if I caused them
any trouble,
I'm really, really sorry.
1082
01:22:35,151 --> 01:22:38,121
If they want me to say anything
or do anything--
Well, it's--
1083
01:22:38,154 --> 01:22:40,589
I'm lucky to have
a high school diploma,
1084
01:22:40,623 --> 01:22:42,425
but Mother had pull.
1085
01:22:42,458 --> 01:22:45,328
Mother had influence, you know?
1086
01:22:45,361 --> 01:22:48,131
And--
1087
01:22:48,164 --> 01:22:50,366
Well, I'm sorry to hear
about her passing.
1088
01:22:50,399 --> 01:22:52,101
Yeah.
1089
01:22:54,203 --> 01:22:56,705
Yeah.
You been handling that
okay?
1090
01:22:58,374 --> 01:23:02,511
Not really.
Uh, but--
1091
01:23:02,545 --> 01:23:06,015
What about any other friends
or family that you've got
for support?
1092
01:23:06,049 --> 01:23:06,982
No.
1093
01:23:09,085 --> 01:23:11,154
Well, look,
you just keep in touch with--
1094
01:23:11,187 --> 01:23:13,022
And look,
to tell you the truth,
1095
01:23:13,056 --> 01:23:15,358
I haven't been reading
your e-mails...
1096
01:23:15,391 --> 01:23:20,163
'cause I assumed
they're more than likely
to be bad news.
1097
01:23:20,196 --> 01:23:22,598
Oh, yeah.
Especially nowadays.
Like a bill...
1098
01:23:22,631 --> 01:23:25,434
or something from the I.R.S.,
so I don't open 'em.
1099
01:23:25,468 --> 01:23:27,703
So I never looked
at any of your e-mails,
1100
01:23:27,736 --> 01:23:32,075
but if you send me
another e-mail after today,
I'll read it.
1101
01:23:32,108 --> 01:23:34,510
Okay.
'Cause we're all friends now.
1102
01:23:34,543 --> 01:23:36,079
Right.
1103
01:24:12,481 --> 01:24:15,318
[ Landis ]
I have no delusions
about being...
1104
01:24:15,351 --> 01:24:18,721
any sort of a serious artist,
1105
01:24:18,754 --> 01:24:22,125
let alone a great one.
1106
01:24:22,158 --> 01:24:25,361
No delusions whatsoever
about that sort of thing.
1107
01:24:26,795 --> 01:24:29,732
But I'd kind of like
to sort of be one.
1108
01:24:35,138 --> 01:24:38,441
[ Alarm Honks ]
I might say it gives you
a sense of purpose,
1109
01:24:38,474 --> 01:24:40,676
but that sounds pretentious.
1110
01:24:54,523 --> 01:24:57,560
We all like to feel useful.
1111
01:24:59,528 --> 01:25:04,700
Whatever ability
we happen to have,
we like to make use of it.
1112
01:25:12,175 --> 01:25:17,480
So everyone's different,
and everyone's the same.
1113
01:25:17,513 --> 01:25:21,517
And there's
three million stories
in the naked city,
1114
01:25:22,885 --> 01:25:26,489
and this has been one of 'em.
1115
01:25:26,522 --> 01:25:29,492
And that's--
1116
01:25:29,525 --> 01:25:33,396
That's kind of
the best way I can put it.
1117
01:25:33,429 --> 01:25:35,198
[ Elevator Bell Dings ]
1118
01:25:43,739 --> 01:25:48,511
I knew I wouldn't continue
being a philanthropist.
1119
01:25:48,544 --> 01:25:51,414
[ Door Closes ]
1120
01:25:51,447 --> 01:25:54,650
And it's just as well, probably,
1121
01:25:54,683 --> 01:25:58,687
because I would
from time to time
get carried away.
1122
01:26:06,762 --> 01:26:09,898
I happened upon this idea--
1123
01:26:09,932 --> 01:26:13,769
returning missing
or stolen artwork...
1124
01:26:15,438 --> 01:26:19,875
to their... owners.
1125
01:26:22,245 --> 01:26:26,915
Things I could actually do,
which would be small drawings
and small paintings.
1126
01:26:30,719 --> 01:26:33,722
After all, a book that's had
a page torn out of it--
1127
01:26:36,024 --> 01:26:39,695
It is nice to be able
to put the page back in.
1128
01:26:39,728 --> 01:26:41,397
[ Elevator Bell Dings ]
1129
01:26:54,577 --> 01:26:57,380
I'd like to go to
73rd and Park Avenue.
86919
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