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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:01:21,469 --> 00:01:23,219 Oh no! 2 00:01:25,091 --> 00:01:30,216 Unbelievable. Every shitting time 3 00:01:32,473 --> 00:01:34,267 Leave me alone! 4 00:01:34,267 --> 00:01:37,123 - They never will, you know - Diana? 5 00:01:37,123 --> 00:01:40,157 Whole point about the Furies. Never let you go 6 00:01:40,157 --> 00:01:43,187 My God, she's still alive! 7 00:01:43,187 --> 00:01:46,653 - I know, it's a nightmare - It's a triumph 8 00:01:46,653 --> 00:01:50,649 - Still breathing away - Well done you, darling 9 00:01:50,649 --> 00:01:56,359 - Still hauling my carcass round the kitchen - Ah, but what a carcass it is 10 00:01:56,359 --> 00:02:00,357 - Look at that, ladies and gentlemen, she's still got it - Do I really? 11 00:02:00,357 --> 00:02:05,540 Dazzling, Diana! Age shall not weary her, nor the years condemn 12 00:02:05,540 --> 00:02:09,062 There we are. Miss Havisham, eat your heart out 13 00:02:09,062 --> 00:02:12,502 - Miss what? - That's the hope, though, is it? 14 00:02:12,502 --> 00:02:16,706 Get back one weekend and find me face down in the catmint 15 00:02:16,706 --> 00:02:20,532 - I can see it must be terribly disappointing - I'm spending a penny 16 00:02:20,532 --> 00:02:23,714 Especially when one thinks of the poor old Health Service 17 00:02:23,714 --> 00:02:24,890 I can't hear 18 00:02:24,890 --> 00:02:29,007 Because you're turning them away in droves, aren't you? 19 00:02:29,007 --> 00:02:36,376 They're dying in the corridors, and I can't even catch a bit of shingles 20 00:02:36,376 --> 00:02:39,489 - You know what I blame? - Me, I imagine 21 00:02:39,489 --> 00:02:42,099 - All this fresh air - You blame... 22 00:02:42,099 --> 00:02:46,093 But then this is what's so terrifying about living in the Cotswolds 23 00:02:46,093 --> 00:02:49,968 One could go on forever 24 00:02:50,982 --> 00:02:55,145 You know what we need? If you're ever going to get rid of me? 25 00:02:55,145 --> 00:02:57,630 A dual carriageway 26 00:02:57,630 --> 00:03:01,355 - A...? - An A road. Steady stream of heavy goods vehicles 27 00:03:01,355 --> 00:03:02,438 Oh I see 28 00:03:02,438 --> 00:03:05,851 It's your constituency. You could make it happen, couldn't you? 29 00:03:05,851 --> 00:03:13,252 Deconsecrate the green belt. Offer up the paddock. And we know Burford's desperate for a bypass 30 00:03:13,252 --> 00:03:17,995 - Are you all right? - I'm not just all right, I'm thriving. This is it 31 00:03:17,995 --> 00:03:19,002 You're not dressed 32 00:03:19,002 --> 00:03:24,932 The odd self-inflicted fracture aside, I'm in relentlessly good health 33 00:03:24,932 --> 00:03:27,827 It's after eleven. And you know what day it is 34 00:03:27,827 --> 00:03:30,223 - I suppose there's always smoking - I'm sorry? 35 00:03:30,223 --> 00:03:32,357 How many do you think one would have to get through a day... 36 00:03:32,357 --> 00:03:37,764 ...to give oneself a really good shot at cancer? Ten do you think? Twenty? 37 00:03:37,764 --> 00:03:39,900 - Oh for goodness sake - No? 38 00:03:39,900 --> 00:03:44,841 - Don't be disgusting - No, you're right. Of course you are. Terrible idea 39 00:03:44,841 --> 00:03:49,132 - Anyway... - Because it's such an unattractive way to go, isn't it? 40 00:03:49,132 --> 00:03:52,605 All that hair tufting out in the shower 41 00:03:52,605 --> 00:03:57,536 There we are. Vanity prevails yet again 42 00:03:57,536 --> 00:04:03,793 - Are you going to be like this all day? - Do you know, I think I am 43 00:04:03,793 --> 00:04:06,375 Oh good. Excellent. Thrilled I came back 44 00:04:06,375 --> 00:04:08,917 But then you didn't think you'd get away with it, did you? 45 00:04:08,917 --> 00:04:13,178 - Sorry? - Didn't think you'd get off scot-free 46 00:04:13,178 --> 00:04:14,831 - What is it? - I'm just... 47 00:04:14,831 --> 00:04:17,144 - What? - No, it's no good 48 00:04:17,144 --> 00:04:21,150 - What are you doing? - I was trying to remember why I married you 49 00:04:21,150 --> 00:04:23,810 And why I still come back like this. That's the real question 50 00:04:23,810 --> 00:04:26,103 Because it's hell out there on the roads. Did you know that? 51 00:04:26,103 --> 00:04:29,599 And yet every week I flog my way back to you 52 00:04:29,599 --> 00:04:35,714 The Hangar Lang gyratory, the Oxford bypass, the horrors of the A40 53 00:04:35,714 --> 00:04:38,229 My God, why do I put myself through it? 54 00:04:38,229 --> 00:04:42,178 I don't know, Robin. Guilt, I imagine 55 00:04:42,178 --> 00:04:44,475 - I'm sorry? - Well it's either that or the garden 56 00:04:44,475 --> 00:04:46,215 - Oh don't - What? 57 00:04:46,215 --> 00:04:48,741 - It's unbearable - The guilt? 58 00:04:48,741 --> 00:04:52,570 - The garden. Don't tell me you haven't noticed? - Noticed? 59 00:04:52,570 --> 00:04:58,578 - Oh for goodness sake, Diana. The damage! - Oh the damage! Oh I see 60 00:04:58,578 --> 00:05:02,760 - Again - No, I did notice that, of course I did. I'm so sorry 61 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:05,415 - Because it's heartbreaking, isn't it - Well I think so 62 00:05:05,415 --> 00:05:07,593 - To see it in that sort of state - Yes 63 00:05:07,593 --> 00:05:09,494 - Ravaged like that - Exactly 64 00:05:09,494 --> 00:05:14,667 - Decimated. Whole country in tatters - What? 65 00:05:14,667 --> 00:05:21,202 And yet for some extraordinary reason they all keep voting Conservative 66 00:05:21,202 --> 00:05:23,839 - What's wrong with them? - Ha ha 67 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:27,514 Because you think they'd learn, wouldn't you? At some point? 68 00:05:27,514 --> 00:05:31,677 - And I'm always telling them not to vote for you - Oh, are you? 69 00:05:31,677 --> 00:05:35,533 - I wander the streets of Witney, telling them - Oh good 70 00:05:35,533 --> 00:05:39,508 I accost them in the supermarket. I say they may talk a good game... 71 00:05:39,508 --> 00:05:43,123 ...but the truth is they're unbelievably dangerous 72 00:05:43,123 --> 00:05:47,875 - I should know, I say. I'm married to one - I'm so pleased 73 00:05:47,875 --> 00:05:52,029 Because if you really stop and look... this is what I say as I totter the fruit and veg aisle 74 00:05:52,029 --> 00:05:58,205 ...you'll notice that the natural party of government is in fact unbelievably bad at it 75 00:05:58,205 --> 00:06:00,320 Yes, I was talking about the garden 76 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:04,043 And yet like a battered wife, they keep coming back to you, don't they? 77 00:06:04,043 --> 00:06:09,325 - Oh do shut up, Diana - I tell you, it's the great mystery of our time 78 00:06:09,325 --> 00:06:17,325 The insatiable desire of the people of this country to be fucked by an Old Etonian 79 00:06:20,260 --> 00:06:22,832 - I was talking about the fox - The fox? 80 00:06:22,832 --> 00:06:27,951 As you know perfectly well. Look at my poor lawn. It's like the Somme out there 81 00:06:27,951 --> 00:06:32,195 - Oh, I see - No-man's land. Bout of particularly heavy shelling 82 00:06:32,195 --> 00:06:38,701 Oh, I'm so sorry, Robin. How embarrassing, because I thought you were talking about the country, you see 83 00:06:38,701 --> 00:06:40,932 - Yes, all right - 'This blessed plot' 84 00:06:40,932 --> 00:06:42,572 - Yes - 'This England...' 85 00:06:42,572 --> 00:06:44,837 Oh don't start up again. I'm not sure I can take any more 86 00:06:44,837 --> 00:06:47,592 - Go on, I can have one more bash - No you can't 87 00:06:47,592 --> 00:06:49,336 - Not even a little... - No 88 00:06:49,336 --> 00:06:55,152 No, all right. Wasn't bad though, was it? This stage in the day 89 00:06:55,152 --> 00:06:56,950 - It was all right - Without a warm up 90 00:06:56,950 --> 00:07:00,536 - It was fine - Just a sort of... standing jump 91 00:07:00,536 --> 00:07:02,879 - Sorry? - Isn't that what it was called? 92 00:07:02,879 --> 00:07:09,220 No run-up. Both feet together and they just hurled themselves out into the sandpit 93 00:07:09,220 --> 00:07:12,209 - The standing jump, Robin - I don't... 94 00:07:12,209 --> 00:07:17,689 Of course you do. Oh, come on. The moments of sporting triumph in our family... 95 00:07:17,689 --> 00:07:21,998 ...have been so few and far between, you can't possibly have forgotten 96 00:07:21,998 --> 00:07:25,642 That final sports day at The Dragon 97 00:07:25,642 --> 00:07:30,033 The kind of summer's day you only get on the playing fields of an English prep school 98 00:07:30,033 --> 00:07:38,033 The banks of the Cherwell, the distant sound of cricket balls, the car parks full of Volvos 99 00:07:38,874 --> 00:07:42,985 - What are you doing? - Nostalgia, darling 100 00:07:42,985 --> 00:07:49,253 Well, don't give me that look. It's more or less the entire electoral strategy of the Tory Party 101 00:07:49,253 --> 00:07:53,763 - Oh, she's off again - And he won a rosette 102 00:07:53,763 --> 00:07:56,395 - Sorry? - Didn't he? There we are, you see 103 00:07:56,395 --> 00:08:00,781 'That is the land of lost content, I see it shining plain' 104 00:08:00,781 --> 00:08:06,616 'Those happy highways where I went, and cannot come again' 105 00:08:06,616 --> 00:08:10,136 - I suppose there's always AIDS - I'm sorry? 106 00:08:10,136 --> 00:08:11,612 - What do you think? - AIDS? 107 00:08:11,612 --> 00:08:16,871 Only you said you wanted to catch something. In the absence of an A road 108 00:08:16,871 --> 00:08:21,956 And of course it's terribly infectious. That's the real advantage. Trouble with cancer, it's so hit and miss 109 00:08:21,956 --> 00:08:23,592 Now who's being disgusting? 110 00:08:23,592 --> 00:08:29,380 Oh, go on. A bit of intravenous drug use. Some unprotected sex. You might even enjoy it 111 00:08:29,380 --> 00:08:32,149 - What? I think it could be rather a good idea - Do you? 112 00:08:32,149 --> 00:08:36,297 Really put you on the map. There's nowhere it can't go, that's how we'd pitch it 113 00:08:36,297 --> 00:08:41,478 It can reach the very highest houses in the land. Men and women, rich and poor, young and old 114 00:08:41,478 --> 00:08:44,943 I think it could be a real public service. And you know what? 115 00:08:44,943 --> 00:08:48,490 I bet we could get you a visit from Lady Di 116 00:08:48,490 --> 00:08:51,750 Because she's mad about them. We can't keep her out of the AIDS wards 117 00:08:51,750 --> 00:08:55,108 So many photographers in there, the nurses can hardly get at the patients 118 00:08:55,108 --> 00:09:00,032 We could get the Soames' to put a word in. Bring some press along, it could be your big moment 119 00:09:00,032 --> 00:09:04,158 And you know what? You've waited in the wings for long enough 120 00:09:04,158 --> 00:09:05,584 Is that what I've been doing? 121 00:09:05,584 --> 00:09:09,335 All these years you've been there in the background, cheering me on 122 00:09:09,335 --> 00:09:11,607 - The torrents of support - Ha! 123 00:09:11,607 --> 00:09:14,970 - It's your turn to shine - Thank you, darling 124 00:09:14,970 --> 00:09:18,299 Well, there we are. I shall drive you into Cirencester after lunch 125 00:09:18,299 --> 00:09:20,603 - You're too kind, Robin - Well, I am 126 00:09:20,603 --> 00:09:22,880 - Too thoughtful - No, it's a failing, isn't it? 127 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:29,986 It's why the great offices of state have eluded me. Here I am, cursed with emotional intelligence 128 00:09:29,986 --> 00:09:33,592 I thought you hadn't made it to the top because you didn't have the right sort of wife 129 00:09:33,592 --> 00:09:34,592 - What's that? - That's what you normally imply 130 00:09:33,765 --> 00:09:37,227 I'd never dream of implying that 131 00:09:37,227 --> 00:09:43,098 Poor old Hesketh. That's what they all think, isn't it? Lumbered with that frightful left-wing woman 132 00:09:43,098 --> 00:09:45,065 - Nobody thinks that - Of course they do 133 00:09:45,065 --> 00:09:51,330 No, they don't think you're left wing, darling. They think you're highly strung 134 00:09:51,330 --> 00:09:57,470 - Oh, fuck off - It's not exactly the same thing 135 00:09:57,470 --> 00:10:05,239 And I'm not highly strung. I'm profoundly unhappy. Not exactly the same thing 136 00:10:05,239 --> 00:10:11,724 - Do you know what's really unbearable? - I do, actually 137 00:10:11,724 --> 00:10:13,921 It's beginning to feel like a vendetta 138 00:10:13,921 --> 00:10:17,305 When it has the entirety of mainland Britain to choose from 139 00:10:17,305 --> 00:10:21,124 Because it isn't just my constituency it returns to. It's my actual garden 140 00:10:21,124 --> 00:10:22,956 - I'm back on the fox - Yes 141 00:10:22,956 --> 00:10:26,644 Do you see? The whole sceptred isle spreading out around us on every side 142 00:10:26,644 --> 00:10:27,644 I do 143 00:10:27,612 --> 00:10:30,992 And if you think of the great open spaces it could dig up. That's what gets me 144 00:10:30,992 --> 00:10:33,363 The whole of the Cotswolds are there. The South Downs 145 00:10:33,363 --> 00:10:35,536 - Yes - The Welsh valleys, the Yorkshire Moors 146 00:10:35,536 --> 00:10:37,922 - No, it's terribly unfair - The Brecon Beacons 147 00:10:37,922 --> 00:10:41,127 - Oh my God, he's on a roll - The Peaks, the Dales 148 00:10:41,127 --> 00:10:42,600 - That's it - The Cairngorms 149 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:47,063 - You tell 'em! - The Highlands of Scotland, the playing fields of Eton 150 00:10:47,063 --> 00:10:52,375 - Ka-pow! - And yet every week it chooses here 151 00:10:52,375 --> 00:10:55,320 - That was very good - I mind about it, Diana 152 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:58,741 - I know you do - And what does it even want, the fox? 153 00:10:58,741 --> 00:11:01,278 - Want? - What does it think it's going to find under there? 154 00:11:01,278 --> 00:11:05,470 Gosh, I don't know, Robin. Roman coins, do you think? 155 00:11:05,470 --> 00:11:08,120 - What's that? - An Anglo-Saxon hoard? 156 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:12,117 You don't care at all, do you? You're probably feeding them 157 00:11:12,117 --> 00:11:14,238 No I do care, I'm sorry 158 00:11:14,238 --> 00:11:17,224 Because it's been a labour of enormous love over all these years 159 00:11:17,224 --> 00:11:18,224 I know it has 160 00:11:18,052 --> 00:11:22,426 And if you remember how it was when we first got here. Great lumpy patch of field 161 00:11:22,426 --> 00:11:23,527 No, I do remember 162 00:11:23,527 --> 00:11:26,950 And the hours I spent out there with the roller 163 00:11:26,950 --> 00:11:30,163 - Back and forth, week after week - Yes 164 00:11:30,163 --> 00:11:33,310 - Colonising the paddock - Yes, I'm agreeing with you 165 00:11:33,310 --> 00:11:38,828 And every few hours I'd come in and I'd tell you I was ready for an inspection 166 00:11:38,828 --> 00:11:44,485 And you'd wander out in your bare feet. Babe in arms. Very serious, very grave 167 00:11:44,485 --> 00:11:48,684 I've found a lump, you'd say. More rolling required 168 00:11:48,684 --> 00:11:49,792 Yes, all right 169 00:11:49,792 --> 00:11:53,194 Well there we are, you see. You never believe me, but we were 170 00:11:53,194 --> 00:11:55,580 - Were what? - Happy 171 00:11:55,580 --> 00:12:00,811 Happy? No, darling, you're getting confused 172 00:12:00,811 --> 00:12:03,523 - That was the other one - The other what? 173 00:12:03,523 --> 00:12:06,988 The first Mrs De Winter 174 00:12:06,988 --> 00:12:10,001 Oh lord, you haven't forgotten? 175 00:12:10,001 --> 00:12:14,692 Jane, she was called. You remember? Lot of curly hair? Nice smile? 176 00:12:14,692 --> 00:12:17,272 - Oh don't. She was a very a nice woman - I know she was 177 00:12:17,272 --> 00:12:21,070 - To whom I behaved extremely badly - Well, I know that too 178 00:12:21,070 --> 00:12:26,595 - What do you mean? - What do I...? Oh dear, this is awkward 179 00:12:26,595 --> 00:12:31,339 I was the girl in the hotel, Robin. I was the bit on the side 180 00:12:31,339 --> 00:12:35,099 - No! - I know! Can you bear it? 181 00:12:35,099 --> 00:12:37,893 It was me, clattering against the headboard 182 00:12:37,893 --> 00:12:41,345 - Yes, all right - Legs in the air 183 00:12:41,345 --> 00:12:45,497 Well, don't do that face. That was the high point of it all 184 00:12:45,497 --> 00:12:50,328 The two-star hotels. The Berni Inns 185 00:12:50,328 --> 00:12:54,607 It's been downhill ever since 186 00:12:54,607 --> 00:12:57,565 We did have fun, I think. At the beginning 187 00:12:57,565 --> 00:12:59,938 - Fun? - We made each other laugh 188 00:12:59,938 --> 00:13:02,699 Oh I adored you, Robin 189 00:13:02,699 --> 00:13:06,889 Couldn't believe my luck, actually. That you'd chosen me 190 00:13:06,889 --> 00:13:11,797 And the rest, as they say, is tragedy 191 00:13:11,797 --> 00:13:13,941 I don't think that's exactly what they say 192 00:13:13,941 --> 00:13:20,738 No? Then they should come and spend the weekend with us 193 00:13:20,738 --> 00:13:23,761 - Is that still the drill, by the way? - Sorry? 194 00:13:23,761 --> 00:13:25,846 - A regional hotel - What do you mean? 195 00:13:25,846 --> 00:13:32,564 No, I see the logic. Because one's never going to run into anyone one knows in Swindon, is one? 196 00:13:32,564 --> 00:13:37,079 - Swindon? - Or wherever it is, I don't know. Wolverhampton? 197 00:13:37,079 --> 00:13:43,316 Because there's something unutterably lower middle class about them. Towns 198 00:13:43,316 --> 00:13:49,094 I remember when I told you my parents lived in Reigate. You were horrified 199 00:13:49,094 --> 00:13:54,751 And the awful thing is that in our little family we'd always felt Reigate was rather smart 200 00:13:54,751 --> 00:13:58,010 I mean, we'd made it out of Dorking 201 00:13:58,010 --> 00:14:02,237 - What are you talking about, Diana? - Well, I'm talking about your Wednesdays 202 00:14:02,237 --> 00:14:06,293 - My Wednesdays? - Oh don't do coy, darling. You're too old for it 203 00:14:06,293 --> 00:14:12,882 - I'm genuinely not with you - Yes, that's rather my point, funnily enough 204 00:14:12,882 --> 00:14:18,874 Oh, come on. Look at you. I see that swagger in your step 205 00:14:18,874 --> 00:14:23,081 - Swagger? - Swish in your tail. Something must have set that off 206 00:14:23,081 --> 00:14:28,325 Can't just be the damage you're inflicting on the most vulnerable in society 207 00:14:28,325 --> 00:14:31,153 No, I'm afraid there's been a misunderstanding, darling. Because I think you'll find... 208 00:14:31,153 --> 00:14:35,154 - ...that I haven't risked a swagger in years - I'm sorry? 209 00:14:35,154 --> 00:14:39,522 I tell you, with a lumbar spine like mine, with discs as herniated as these... 210 00:14:39,522 --> 00:14:42,458 And as for a swish! My God! 211 00:14:42,458 --> 00:14:45,395 - No, there's no need to panic - I'm not panicking 212 00:14:45,395 --> 00:14:49,858 Honestly, the squandering of my affections is the least of our worries 213 00:14:49,858 --> 00:14:51,109 Your affections? 214 00:14:51,109 --> 00:14:55,482 Pales into insignificance alongside the Local Government Act 215 00:14:55,482 --> 00:15:01,425 Diana, I haven't been on the receiving end of your affections since some time during the Falklands 216 00:15:01,425 --> 00:15:04,607 Oh, I see. That's how you're going to play it 217 00:15:04,607 --> 00:15:06,797 - Poor old Robin - I'm not playing anything 218 00:15:06,797 --> 00:15:11,995 Only I'm not sure you can pin that one on me, actually. Dereliction of wifely duty 219 00:15:11,995 --> 00:15:16,701 If you recall what happened the last time I essayed that particular peak 220 00:15:16,701 --> 00:15:18,822 - When? - If I remember rightly... 221 00:15:18,822 --> 00:15:24,490 I got hold of the remote control, turned off Newsnight and edged my way... 222 00:15:24,490 --> 00:15:30,501 ...with what I thought was no small amount of allure over to your side of the bed 223 00:15:30,501 --> 00:15:34,190 - Allure! - You had a peer under the duvet 224 00:15:34,190 --> 00:15:40,728 You've got no clothes on, you said. I said, I know 225 00:15:40,728 --> 00:15:43,915 - Aghast, that's how you looked - Oh, come on 226 00:15:43,915 --> 00:15:50,150 You did. You looked at me and you said 'You're not getting Alzheimer's, are you?' 227 00:15:50,150 --> 00:15:52,275 I did not 228 00:15:52,317 --> 00:15:58,038 'First you left that courgette in the knife drawer, and now this' 229 00:15:58,038 --> 00:16:02,061 Oh no. I do remember the courgette, it was tucked away with the bread knife 230 00:16:02,061 --> 00:16:03,250 There we are, you see 231 00:16:03,250 --> 00:16:08,431 Forcing myself for a moment to recall the details of the night in question... 232 00:16:08,431 --> 00:16:10,338 - I'm sorry? - Forcing myself, your honour... 233 00:16:10,338 --> 00:16:16,507 ...to revisit the whole painful episode, I feel bound to say that I was overcome 234 00:16:16,507 --> 00:16:19,618 - Overcome, were you? - To state the case for the defence... 235 00:16:19,618 --> 00:16:24,226 - ...it was the gin fumes wot did it - Oh don't start that up 236 00:16:24,226 --> 00:16:29,164 Because I'm afraid it's like being downwind of the bottle bank when my wife clambers into bed 237 00:16:29,164 --> 00:16:30,761 That's the truth, your worship 238 00:16:30,761 --> 00:16:36,615 I'm afraid this 'allure' smells like a marquee the morning after a wedding 239 00:16:36,615 --> 00:16:38,129 Yes, all right 240 00:16:38,129 --> 00:16:41,132 - Speaking of which... - What? 241 00:16:41,132 --> 00:16:44,057 - Holy shit! - What? 242 00:16:44,057 --> 00:16:50,339 Look at that! My darling, your liver is a thing of wonder 243 00:16:50,339 --> 00:16:54,676 And the Dubonnet too. My God, Dennis Thatcher has nothing on you 244 00:16:54,676 --> 00:16:58,330 'Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair' 245 00:16:58,330 --> 00:17:02,045 That's it. I thought you said you didn't need to drink when I wasn't here 246 00:17:02,045 --> 00:17:07,335 Sometimes just the thought of you is enough 247 00:17:07,335 --> 00:17:09,911 I shall have to do something with it when you die 248 00:17:09,911 --> 00:17:14,849 One of the great wonders of medical science. Preserve it for the nation 249 00:17:14,849 --> 00:17:20,248 I imagine one of the teaching hospitals would take it, don't you? I could do an endowment to go with it 250 00:17:20,248 --> 00:17:23,721 - You're still going, are you? - One for the lush fund, I shall call it 251 00:17:23,721 --> 00:17:26,836 - Oh my God, you are - I shall get a little plaque made 252 00:17:26,836 --> 00:17:34,439 Here lies the liver of Diana Hesketh, it will say. Ginorously donated 253 00:17:34,439 --> 00:17:37,394 - Yes, you've done that now - Oh go on. I can have one more bash 254 00:17:37,394 --> 00:17:38,726 - No you can't - No, all right 255 00:17:38,726 --> 00:17:40,159 - Wasn't bad, though, was it? - It was fine 256 00:17:40,159 --> 00:17:41,781 - Without a run-up - Sorry? 257 00:17:41,781 --> 00:17:43,906 - This stage in the day - That's it! 258 00:17:43,906 --> 00:17:46,339 - That's what? - Oh, I'm so pleased 259 00:17:46,339 --> 00:17:49,747 - What are you doing? - You do remember the standing jump 260 00:17:49,747 --> 00:17:51,376 - I'm sorry? - I knew you would 261 00:17:51,376 --> 00:17:55,988 Oh that's really made my day, Robin. It felt too awful that you could have forgotten 262 00:17:55,988 --> 00:18:02,503 Particularly because I remember you being so pleased at the time that he'd won something 263 00:18:02,503 --> 00:18:06,501 It was called the standing jump, wasn't it? I'm not making that up? 264 00:18:06,501 --> 00:18:11,742 Both feet together and they just threw themselves out into the sandpit 265 00:18:11,742 --> 00:18:13,692 - But you know what? - What are you doing? 266 00:18:13,692 --> 00:18:15,509 - We had a cine film of it - Sorry? 267 00:18:15,509 --> 00:18:18,412 Didn't we? Of the sports day. We did 268 00:18:18,412 --> 00:18:22,032 Prize-giving ceremony. Tom cartwheeling about 269 00:18:22,032 --> 00:18:24,846 You remember? Well, of course you do 270 00:18:24,846 --> 00:18:30,097 You always loved those sports days. You used to get quite misty-eyed about them 271 00:18:30,097 --> 00:18:34,917 But then, it was rather moving. All those boys in their cricket whites 272 00:18:34,917 --> 00:18:39,668 The ruling class being formed before one's very eyes 273 00:18:39,668 --> 00:18:46,387 Because a sense of entitlement isn't something one's born with. No. It must be instilled in a chap 274 00:18:46,387 --> 00:18:49,187 I'm not sure I'm necessarily in the mood for this 275 00:18:49,187 --> 00:18:57,187 Now, let's think... It would have been '68. Is that right? Last year at the Dragon? 276 00:18:57,230 --> 00:19:02,251 Oh, that's rather good. Our summer of love 277 00:19:02,251 --> 00:19:08,178 Don't do that face. I kept thinking that this week, you know. As I watched it all unfold 278 00:19:08,178 --> 00:19:12,098 - That we don't look back enough - Watched what unfold? 279 00:19:12,098 --> 00:19:18,685 There it is! I knew we had one. '1968. Dragon Sports Day' 280 00:19:18,685 --> 00:19:26,163 Look at that, it's on the same reel as that hustings you did in Wallingford. So you'll enjoy that at least 281 00:19:26,163 --> 00:19:29,342 Now listen, I'll find the projector, you close the curtains 282 00:19:29,342 --> 00:19:30,636 What are you doing, Diana? 283 00:19:30,636 --> 00:19:35,668 Do you remember those hustings? And the tea afterwards. That was the worst bit 284 00:19:35,668 --> 00:19:39,221 You'd go off with the men and I'd have to sit with the wives... 285 00:19:39,221 --> 00:19:43,625 ...and tell them how marvellous you were. In my little hat 286 00:19:43,625 --> 00:19:49,541 You know what they wanted to hear? Those awful women? That you didn't know how to boil an egg 287 00:19:49,541 --> 00:19:51,629 - You've been cooped up all week, have you? - Sorry? 288 00:19:51,629 --> 00:19:54,645 Not enough excitements? Because this is quite a performance 289 00:19:54,645 --> 00:19:56,743 Actually I've had a rather busy week 290 00:19:56,743 --> 00:19:58,782 - Busy? - One way and another 291 00:19:58,782 --> 00:20:03,890 Good lord, you haven't been moving the cushions round on the sofa again have you? 292 00:20:03,890 --> 00:20:06,140 Here it is 293 00:20:06,692 --> 00:20:10,991 - You're not really doing this - Oh, go on 294 00:20:10,991 --> 00:20:16,567 And I was still in my adoring phase then, wasn't I? 1968 295 00:20:16,567 --> 00:20:21,816 Nodding up at you in all those village halls, clapping in all the right places 296 00:20:21,816 --> 00:20:27,015 - There was an adoring phase, was there? - I was very good in the beginning 297 00:20:27,015 --> 00:20:34,257 All those headscarves I wore. The twin-sets. The casual racism 298 00:20:34,257 --> 00:20:36,271 Best supporting wife 299 00:20:36,271 --> 00:20:40,231 Although you didn't actually vote for me, I don't think 300 00:20:40,231 --> 00:20:43,925 - Of course I did - No, go on. You can tell me in the privacy of the booth 301 00:20:43,925 --> 00:20:47,460 I kept on voting for you for years, Robin 302 00:20:47,460 --> 00:20:51,701 But then in my defence, you do all look like you know what you're doing 303 00:20:51,701 --> 00:20:54,896 - Sorry? - That's the trouble with the class system 304 00:20:54,896 --> 00:21:02,731 So easy to mistake an expensive education for an actual understanding of the world 305 00:21:02,731 --> 00:21:06,168 Yes, you couldn't rekindle it, could you? Just for the day? 306 00:21:06,168 --> 00:21:09,413 - Rekindle? - The early nodding. Just in front of our friends 307 00:21:09,413 --> 00:21:13,251 What do you think? I'm not asking for the full Norma Major 308 00:21:13,251 --> 00:21:19,779 I'm thinking more a sort of... Tintern Abbey feel. We may be ruined, but we're still standing 309 00:21:19,779 --> 00:21:24,270 Present something more or less intact to the outside world 310 00:21:24,270 --> 00:21:27,881 Try not to get downwind of the sherry too early on in proceedings? 311 00:21:27,881 --> 00:21:29,810 There'd be no need to listen to what I was saying 312 00:21:29,810 --> 00:21:32,509 That would be the trick. Just nod along with me occasionally 313 00:21:32,509 --> 00:21:34,056 That's how my mother dealt with my father 314 00:21:34,056 --> 00:21:37,741 'Yes, darling', she'd say every three or four minutes. 'Quite right.' Little nod 315 00:21:37,741 --> 00:21:42,445 And that's what you'd like us to aim for, is it? Your parents? 316 00:21:42,445 --> 00:21:44,788 - Well, it worked pretty well for them - Huh! 317 00:21:44,788 --> 00:21:49,055 You laugh, but they were married for sixty years. They must have got something right 318 00:21:49,055 --> 00:21:51,452 - Oh my God - What? 319 00:21:51,452 --> 00:21:53,397 You're not joking, are you 320 00:21:53,397 --> 00:21:56,773 Why? I think they had a pretty successful marriage. Didn't they? On the whole 321 00:21:56,773 --> 00:22:03,821 Robin, your father had a mistress and two children in Hemel Hempstead 322 00:22:03,821 --> 00:22:08,331 - Oh, that - He had an entire second life running in parallel 323 00:22:08,331 --> 00:22:12,708 - Of course he didn't. Honestly - What would you call them, then? 324 00:22:12,708 --> 00:22:19,583 - Well, it was a different time - It was 1962 325 00:22:19,774 --> 00:22:22,006 The point is, it worked for them 326 00:22:22,006 --> 00:22:30,006 No, darling, it worked for him. I realise that's an incredibly nuanced distinction 327 00:22:30,706 --> 00:22:33,832 Oh Christ, I bet he did them on a Wednesday too 328 00:22:33,832 --> 00:22:35,803 - They were happier than we are - I'm sorry? 329 00:22:35,803 --> 00:22:37,871 My parents. Before you go on any more 330 00:22:37,871 --> 00:22:42,299 - You don't think your mother was happy? - Of course I do 331 00:22:42,299 --> 00:22:44,638 - Oh, Robin - What? 332 00:22:44,638 --> 00:22:47,630 - Did you ever try to give her a cuddle? - Mummy? 333 00:22:47,630 --> 00:22:51,296 No, of course you didn't. I tried it once 334 00:22:51,296 --> 00:22:57,041 - Well, she wasn't touchy-feely - She was barely functioning as a human being 335 00:22:57,041 --> 00:23:02,058 No, you see, this is it. You think everyone is like you. Psychological 336 00:23:02,058 --> 00:23:05,194 The fact is, it's perfectly possible not to get bogged down in all that 337 00:23:05,194 --> 00:23:07,786 Darling, you have a half-brother I've never met 338 00:23:07,786 --> 00:23:11,833 The point is, one can choose not to become a victim of these things 339 00:23:11,833 --> 00:23:15,817 - Yes, it's called denial - No 340 00:23:15,817 --> 00:23:19,227 But then I'm sensing they didn't teach you Freud at Eton 341 00:23:19,227 --> 00:23:21,616 What would you have preferred? A full nervous breakdown? 342 00:23:21,616 --> 00:23:24,642 - Sorry? - Or would a light depression have done it? 343 00:23:24,642 --> 00:23:29,737 I tell you, this the great mistake. This idea that one ought to excavate all one's problems 344 00:23:29,737 --> 00:23:32,710 All these people spending the productive parts of their day... 345 00:23:32,710 --> 00:23:36,402 ...lying on a sofa in North London talking about their childhood 346 00:23:36,402 --> 00:23:39,937 - You think it's self-indulgent? - I think it's self-sabotage 347 00:23:39,937 --> 00:23:46,537 This lifting up the bonnet and peering at the engine all the time. Just get in the car and drive 348 00:23:46,537 --> 00:23:48,643 - Get in the car and drive? - Look outwards 349 00:23:48,643 --> 00:23:51,887 But I thought you said it was a nightmare out there on the roads 350 00:23:51,887 --> 00:23:52,887 What? 351 00:23:52,544 --> 00:23:56,210 Fighting your way through the Hangar Lane gyratory every weekend 352 00:23:56,210 --> 00:24:02,417 I'm not being obtuse, Diana. I'm saying that in my experience of life the trick is to do something 353 00:24:02,417 --> 00:24:06,838 It doesn't even really matter what it is. Just pick something and do it to the best of your ability 354 00:24:06,838 --> 00:24:12,510 Derive a sense of satisfaction from one's accomplishments rather than one's identity 355 00:24:12,510 --> 00:24:14,315 And do you know why? Because it's dangerous, actually 356 00:24:14,315 --> 00:24:18,835 This fixating on your problems. This obsession with working out who you are 357 00:24:18,835 --> 00:24:20,944 - Dangerous? - Frightening. It is 358 00:24:20,944 --> 00:24:22,939 You never know what you might find in there 359 00:24:22,939 --> 00:24:28,643 No, you know what's frightening? The fact that you lot are in charge of the nation's children 360 00:24:28,643 --> 00:24:34,208 But then, this is what I feel I need to tell people, you see 361 00:24:34,208 --> 00:24:38,838 Oh, for goodness sake! I am not going to watch a wretched cine film 362 00:24:38,838 --> 00:24:41,719 No, stop! I've let you go on like this all morning but that's enough 363 00:24:41,719 --> 00:24:44,887 More than enough. You're behaving appallingly 364 00:24:44,887 --> 00:24:48,894 Look at all this mess, honestly. Wretched woman. Put it all back in the box 365 00:24:48,894 --> 00:24:50,739 - Put it back in the box? - Yes 366 00:24:50,739 --> 00:24:52,228 - Oh, darling - What? 367 00:24:52,228 --> 00:24:55,943 I mean, I know we don't believe in Freud... 368 00:24:55,943 --> 00:24:58,397 One day I just won't come back, you know 369 00:24:58,397 --> 00:24:59,743 - Sorry? - One weekend 370 00:24:59,743 --> 00:25:07,743 I won't turn off at Burford. I'll keep on driving. I will. On past Cheltenham. Hereford. Aberystwyth 371 00:25:08,990 --> 00:25:11,602 I could do it, you know. Leave you sitting here 372 00:25:11,602 --> 00:25:15,670 I suppose the foxes would get in eventually, wouldn't they? Tunnel under the house 373 00:25:15,670 --> 00:25:21,561 Come up through the floorboards. If the gin hadn't got you first 374 00:25:21,561 --> 00:25:27,962 But then this is why you can't trust the philistines to run the country. It's because you don't read 375 00:25:27,962 --> 00:25:31,294 - What's that? - Go on. When did you last read a novel? 376 00:25:31,294 --> 00:25:36,090 A novel? Really? Er... I read that Jeffrey Archer over Easter 377 00:25:36,090 --> 00:25:39,933 - Jeffrey Archer doesn't count - I'll tell him you said that 378 00:25:39,933 --> 00:25:44,326 Because you think it's a waste of time, don't you. Fiction 379 00:25:44,326 --> 00:25:49,679 When there are all those biographies of Churchill you could be reading. Histories of the Second World War 380 00:25:49,679 --> 00:25:53,352 - Well... - But you know what it does? Fiction? 381 00:25:53,352 --> 00:25:56,029 - It gives you a pattern. Do you see? - Not really, no 382 00:25:56,029 --> 00:25:58,203 Cause and effect, Robin 383 00:25:58,203 --> 00:25:59,978 I'm making some coffee over here 384 00:25:59,978 --> 00:26:02,349 - I'll do you a reading list - Would you like one? 385 00:26:02,349 --> 00:26:05,713 That's the answer. You could hand them out at cabinet 386 00:26:05,713 --> 00:26:08,497 - A bit of Margaret Drabble - Oh good idea, yes 387 00:26:08,497 --> 00:26:10,340 - Doris Lessing - Excellent 388 00:26:10,340 --> 00:26:14,676 Slip Virginia Woolf into Margaret's red box. That'll shake her up 389 00:26:14,676 --> 00:26:16,789 - What do you think? - I think she'd love it 390 00:26:16,789 --> 00:26:20,571 Because it does require imagination, actually. Government 391 00:26:20,571 --> 00:26:22,788 No, I think it's a terrific idea 392 00:26:22,788 --> 00:26:25,685 Otherwise it's too easy to let yourselves off the hook, isn't it 393 00:26:25,685 --> 00:26:27,897 We could start a book club. Everyone'll be thrilled 394 00:26:27,897 --> 00:26:31,250 - Or you could take them to the theatre - What? 395 00:26:31,250 --> 00:26:36,706 If you don't think they could manage a novel. Maybe that's the answer. Cabinet outing 396 00:26:36,706 --> 00:26:39,279 Oh God, not the theatre 397 00:26:39,279 --> 00:26:47,279 Take Margaret to Hedda Gabler. Could change the whole course of British history 398 00:26:48,100 --> 00:26:51,744 I'll tell you why we don't read novels, why we don't go to your plays 399 00:26:51,744 --> 00:26:56,327 Because they are full of people attempting to understand themselves 400 00:26:56,327 --> 00:26:58,078 Yes they are, that's the point 401 00:26:58,078 --> 00:27:01,707 - People with a fine appreciation of beauty - What? 402 00:27:01,707 --> 00:27:06,834 People with a vivid emotional life. Because it's never people with jobs, is it? 403 00:27:06,834 --> 00:27:12,096 Never people making roads, building companies, paying tax, in these appalling plays you've taken me to 404 00:27:12,096 --> 00:27:18,230 No, it's always people who in real life contribute the absolute least who get all the sympathy 405 00:27:18,230 --> 00:27:20,771 It's always the neurasthenic daughters, isn't it? 406 00:27:20,771 --> 00:27:24,901 - The artistic sons, the women - I'm sorry? 407 00:27:24,901 --> 00:27:28,150 - That's always where the sympathy resides - Oh, my God 408 00:27:28,150 --> 00:27:32,921 - And the sneer that comes with it! The superiority! - The women? 409 00:27:32,921 --> 00:27:38,890 Oh I meet them. These liberal arts people with their jumpers and their beards 410 00:27:38,890 --> 00:27:43,782 And their profound moments of epiphany, who don't have a clue about running the country 411 00:27:43,782 --> 00:27:47,881 And yet somehow because they've just read the latest Ian McKellen novel... 412 00:27:47,881 --> 00:27:51,508 ...they think they can look down on those of us who are doing these appalling, oppressive things 413 00:27:51,508 --> 00:27:54,211 Like worrying about employment figures and exchange rates 414 00:27:54,211 --> 00:27:56,814 And whether the pension funds have any bloody money in them 415 00:27:56,814 --> 00:27:58,640 - I think you mean... - No, you listen to me 416 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:02,647 You think your culture makes people empathetic, don't you? Open minded 417 00:28:02,647 --> 00:28:06,197 Well let me tell you, there is no group of people more narrow minded... 418 00:28:06,197 --> 00:28:11,779 ...than you book readers. You theatre goers. Appalling people 419 00:28:11,779 --> 00:28:15,801 You try being a member of Margaret Thatcher's government and standing in the foyer of a theatre... 420 00:28:15,801 --> 00:28:20,813 ...if you want to talk about prejudice. If you want to talk about a lack of empathy 421 00:28:20,813 --> 00:28:24,438 - Ian McEwan - What? 422 00:28:24,980 --> 00:28:28,686 As opposed... oh, doesn't matter 423 00:28:28,686 --> 00:28:32,099 Look at this week. These frightful people attacking the newsreaders 424 00:28:32,099 --> 00:28:34,485 Disrupting the business of the House of Lords 425 00:28:34,485 --> 00:28:37,407 If you're talking about the passing of the Local Government Act... 426 00:28:37,407 --> 00:28:41,021 ...which I think in your own inimitable way, you are 427 00:28:41,021 --> 00:28:43,037 Did you see how they behaved? It's too much 428 00:28:43,037 --> 00:28:46,812 The derangement of these people on the left. The feeling they have... 429 00:28:46,812 --> 00:28:51,399 ...that the people who disagree with them are not only wrong, but actually malevolent 430 00:28:51,399 --> 00:28:52,526 The result of which, of course... 431 00:28:52,526 --> 00:28:56,911 ...is that they are unable to engage with questions of policy in any reasonable way 432 00:28:56,911 --> 00:29:03,137 Because you know what it is? This Section 28 they're all up in arms about? It's a safeguarding measure 433 00:29:03,137 --> 00:29:07,410 No, Robin, it's not a safeguarding measure. It's a deterrent 434 00:29:07,410 --> 00:29:12,803 Have you seen the books these councils are putting into schools? 435 00:29:12,803 --> 00:29:20,286 Young Gay and Proud. Honestly! Jenny Lives With Eric and Martin 436 00:29:20,286 --> 00:29:21,897 They're maniacal, these people 437 00:29:21,897 --> 00:29:28,040 They won't rest until we're all homosexual or black or at the very least disabled 438 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:35,185 I tell you, in twenty years time one won't be allowed to be a white heterosexual male. It'll be illegal 439 00:29:35,185 --> 00:29:37,685 One can hope 440 00:29:39,602 --> 00:29:43,165 And do you think that the religious parents in my constituency... 441 00:29:43,165 --> 00:29:47,050 ...want their children being taught about gay sex? Of course not 442 00:29:47,050 --> 00:29:50,642 And I hate to tell you, but I'm afraid I have to represent them too 443 00:29:50,642 --> 00:29:54,432 - You're worried it might catch on, are you? - Sorry? 444 00:29:54,432 --> 00:29:56,095 One positive word from the headmaster... 445 00:29:56,095 --> 00:30:00,315 ...and the entire sixth form'll have their hands down each others trousers 446 00:30:00,315 --> 00:30:01,315 No... 447 00:30:01,085 --> 00:30:05,871 But then this is the great anxiety of you public school boys, isn't it? 448 00:30:05,871 --> 00:30:10,581 That you might all be queer if you're not careful 449 00:30:10,581 --> 00:30:15,368 - It's an incredibly delicate thing, childhood - Yes, it is 450 00:30:15,368 --> 00:30:19,237 You can't go around telling children they can be whatever they want to be in life 451 00:30:19,237 --> 00:30:26,573 Do whatever they want. Honestly. This isn't America 452 00:30:26,573 --> 00:30:31,672 Look at you. There's no inner life in there at all, is there? 453 00:30:31,672 --> 00:30:36,256 Not much, darling, no. You'll find as a Conservative it's easier that way 454 00:30:36,256 --> 00:30:41,840 Enables one to trample more cheerfully on the poor and needy. Eviscerate the public services 455 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,878 But then I suppose that's always been your template, hasn't it? 456 00:30:44,878 --> 00:30:48,765 - Sorry? - Don't mention it and it doesn't exist 457 00:30:48,765 --> 00:30:53,685 I remember the first time I saw it in action. That first summer with your mother 458 00:30:53,685 --> 00:30:57,451 Well, it was my first exposure to the upper class 459 00:30:57,451 --> 00:31:02,707 My God, I'd never seen so much well-dressed unhappiness 460 00:31:02,707 --> 00:31:08,397 Because there wasn't just one elephant in the room. There were herds of them 461 00:31:08,397 --> 00:31:12,090 The illegitimate child, the unmentionable sister 462 00:31:12,090 --> 00:31:16,730 The sheer volume of heroin addiction among the nephews and nieces 463 00:31:16,730 --> 00:31:20,727 - And none of them so much as mentioned - Your coffee's on the table when you're finished 464 00:31:20,727 --> 00:31:28,727 And she wasn't a heroin addict, Arabella. She was at art school 465 00:31:29,688 --> 00:31:32,377 She was here when we got back from the hospital 466 00:31:32,377 --> 00:31:37,192 Do you remember? Your mother. Inspecting the longed-for grandson 467 00:31:37,192 --> 00:31:38,304 Your coffee's on the table 468 00:31:38,304 --> 00:31:41,605 And we all came and sat in here and I had him in my arms 469 00:31:41,605 --> 00:31:43,672 - It'll get cold - And I was kissing him... 470 00:31:43,672 --> 00:31:47,618 ...and telling him how much I loved him and how beautiful he was 471 00:31:47,618 --> 00:31:53,137 And he was making those little dinosaur noises he made at the beginning 472 00:31:53,137 --> 00:32:00,997 And it all felt so right and wonderful. And then I looked up, and there was your mother 473 00:32:00,997 --> 00:32:06,619 She was watching me, and she had this tight little smile on her face 474 00:32:06,619 --> 00:32:12,003 You're very affectionate with him, aren't you, she said. It's very sweet 475 00:32:12,003 --> 00:32:16,466 - Well, she wasn't sentimental - And I had this awful feeling, suddenly. In my chest 476 00:32:16,466 --> 00:32:22,508 Oh my God, it's going to be another thing I get wrong, isn't it? Motherhood 477 00:32:22,508 --> 00:32:26,115 - It was about molly-coddling - It'll all end in tears 478 00:32:26,115 --> 00:32:29,461 That's what she used to say to me. Did you know that? 479 00:32:29,461 --> 00:32:35,192 When nobody else could hear. She'd say it under her breath as she was walking past me 480 00:32:35,192 --> 00:32:40,746 All end in tears. Such a lovely woman 481 00:32:40,746 --> 00:32:44,533 - Stop it, Di - But then she wasn't wrong, was she? 482 00:32:44,533 --> 00:32:47,235 I said stop. You're determined to have a fight, and I'm not going to do it 483 00:32:47,235 --> 00:32:48,235 - No? - I refuse 484 00:32:48,172 --> 00:32:49,427 - Oh that's too bad - Isn't it 485 00:32:49,427 --> 00:32:51,565 - Because I'm afraid we're already under way - Sorry? 486 00:32:51,565 --> 00:32:59,565 I know. Show's already started, darling. And you know the worst thing? There's no interval 487 00:33:00,355 --> 00:33:04,519 For shit's sake, Diana, will you be nice to me? It's my birthday 488 00:33:04,519 --> 00:33:11,020 It's your... Oh my God it is! Well, that snuck up on us 489 00:33:11,020 --> 00:33:14,003 I accept that we are beyond mawkish devotion 490 00:33:14,003 --> 00:33:17,972 But I wonder if you might try not to be on your most monstrous form 491 00:33:17,972 --> 00:33:19,497 - Me? - Given the circs 492 00:33:19,497 --> 00:33:23,143 You think it's me on monstrous form? After the week you've had? 493 00:33:23,143 --> 00:33:26,822 Please! We could do Christmas Day on the Somme, couldn't we? 494 00:33:26,822 --> 00:33:31,297 Emerge from our trenches. Stumble towards one another across the mud 495 00:33:31,297 --> 00:33:38,080 Oh go on. Just for the day. I'll even be the Germans if you like 496 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:44,830 Stille Nacht, heilige Nacht! Alles schläft... 497 00:33:51,855 --> 00:33:57,054 I often think, I've often thought, that we shouldn't have stopped doing a tree 498 00:33:57,054 --> 00:33:59,623 At Christmas. That that was a mistake 499 00:33:59,623 --> 00:34:04,538 I don't want a fight, Robin. I want to be terribly calm about it 500 00:34:04,538 --> 00:34:06,826 - About? - Because I'm aware that if an argument is made... 501 00:34:06,826 --> 00:34:11,901 ...in emotional terms, and particularly if that argument is made by a woman... 502 00:34:11,901 --> 00:34:15,553 ...then you're spared the obligation of engaging with it, aren't you? 503 00:34:15,553 --> 00:34:20,666 Well, that's what you said about those women chaining themselves to Sue Lawley's desk 504 00:34:20,666 --> 00:34:23,697 - You can write them off as hysterical - That's not what I said about them 505 00:34:23,697 --> 00:34:26,406 - Furious lesbians - You mean? 506 00:34:26,406 --> 00:34:30,758 I mean this week's catastrophes, darling. Enshrined into law... 507 00:34:30,758 --> 00:34:37,170 ...by the men and women of the Conservative Party in the year of Our Lord 1988 508 00:34:37,170 --> 00:34:43,077 - Here we go - We'll start with acceptability, I think 509 00:34:43,077 --> 00:34:48,538 'The local authority shall not promote the acceptability of homosexuality' 510 00:34:48,538 --> 00:34:52,321 - Don't get yourself into a state, darling - I'm not getting myself into a state 511 00:34:52,321 --> 00:34:55,136 The fact is, it's a very specific piece of legislation... 512 00:34:55,136 --> 00:34:59,412 ...designed to protect children at a particularly vulnerable stage of their lives 513 00:34:59,412 --> 00:35:05,822 Oh no, Robin, no. It's a very specific piece of legislation designed to cement the support... 514 00:35:05,822 --> 00:35:11,583 ...of the seventy-five percent of the British electorate who think that homosexuality is morally wrong 515 00:35:11,583 --> 00:35:12,583 No 516 00:35:12,175 --> 00:35:14,774 But then this is the great talent of the Right, isn't it? 517 00:35:14,774 --> 00:35:20,736 The ability to disguise craven electoral self-interest as the taking of a moral stand 518 00:35:20,736 --> 00:35:23,157 - Yes, I'm afraid it was in the manifesto - I'm sorry? 519 00:35:23,157 --> 00:35:27,456 I know. Isn't that a bore. Blame the British people, darling. They voted for us 520 00:35:27,456 --> 00:35:34,367 Oh, I do blame the British people. Look at them! They're a total liability 521 00:35:34,367 --> 00:35:38,732 - Can't be trusted with anything important - Terrible habit of getting it wrong? 522 00:35:38,732 --> 00:35:42,135 Of course they do when you lot are out there, pandering to their worst instincts 523 00:35:42,135 --> 00:35:47,206 Oh I know. We are simply awful, aren't we. Catching the mood of the electorate like that 524 00:35:47,206 --> 00:35:50,616 You don't catch the mood of the electorate. You create it 525 00:35:50,616 --> 00:35:51,780 Is that right? 526 00:35:51,780 --> 00:35:56,711 You teach them what to want. And then you promise to give it to them. You. Your newspapers 527 00:35:56,711 --> 00:36:01,087 Oh my God, it's like spending the day with Noam Chomsky 528 00:36:01,087 --> 00:36:05,275 Because your words matter, Robin. You people in politics 529 00:36:05,275 --> 00:36:07,458 Mine don't. Mine just evaporate 530 00:36:07,458 --> 00:36:13,022 But your words have weight, Robin. So when you say that a person is unacceptable... 531 00:36:13,022 --> 00:36:17,422 Oh dear, no, I'm afraid if you want to blame someone, you're going to have to blame the Labour Party 532 00:36:17,422 --> 00:36:18,622 - Sorry? - It's all their fault 533 00:36:18,622 --> 00:36:19,622 The Labour Party? 534 00:36:19,610 --> 00:36:22,995 If they will keep choosing the most unappealing people possible as their leaders... 535 00:36:22,995 --> 00:36:27,811 ...then this is what is going to happen. We're going to be in power for ever 536 00:36:27,811 --> 00:36:30,002 Don't change the subject 537 00:36:30,002 --> 00:36:35,570 We look at them across the dispatch box and we can't believe our luck 538 00:36:35,570 --> 00:36:41,730 The succession of badly dressed geography teachers they march out in front of us 539 00:36:41,730 --> 00:36:47,663 Neil Kinnock, Michael Foot. It's one absolute gift after another 540 00:36:47,663 --> 00:36:52,788 You make people feel that something is under attack. The Falkland Islands, the family... 541 00:36:52,788 --> 00:36:56,746 - The Falklands were under attack - The trouble with this is there has to be an enemy 542 00:36:56,746 --> 00:37:01,087 - They landed at Port Stanley - A group against which you turn people 543 00:37:01,087 --> 00:37:06,444 Oh dear, no, I see what's happened. You've been at The Guardian again, haven't you? 544 00:37:06,444 --> 00:37:10,529 We've talked about this, Diana. It's terribly dangerous 545 00:37:10,529 --> 00:37:13,777 It's why I keep telling them in the village shop not to sell it to you 546 00:37:13,777 --> 00:37:19,581 Terrifying combination of righteous indignation and typographical inaccuracy 547 00:37:19,581 --> 00:37:22,212 No, you know what's dangerous, Robin? 548 00:37:22,212 --> 00:37:26,645 No, darling, I'm sorry, I'm not going to do it. I mean it 549 00:37:26,645 --> 00:37:31,725 I used to be willing to put up with these rows when they were a necessary part of our sex life 550 00:37:31,725 --> 00:37:37,421 But I'm afraid the appeal of debating the issues of the day with you has abated somewhat of late 551 00:37:37,421 --> 00:37:40,736 - Oh my God, unless that's what's going on here? - Sorry? 552 00:37:40,736 --> 00:37:43,459 She's not going to get her allure out again? Is she? 553 00:37:43,459 --> 00:37:47,007 Holy shit, she is! That's why you're still in your nightie 554 00:37:47,007 --> 00:37:50,390 You were thinking we might rekindle the dying embers, were you? 555 00:37:50,390 --> 00:37:54,072 - Bring the conjugal soot pan back to life? - Pathetic 556 00:37:54,072 --> 00:37:57,295 And why not? We used to be quite good at it, didn't we? Back in the day 557 00:37:57,295 --> 00:38:00,608 Get some cod liver oil in me, who knows what I'll be capable of 558 00:38:00,608 --> 00:38:03,560 A spoonful of malt. I shall be ravishing you on the stairs 559 00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:07,409 - What do you say? - I say you want to be careful, Robin 560 00:38:07,409 --> 00:38:11,487 Because one can feel quite destructive, you see. Watching you all in action 561 00:38:11,487 --> 00:38:16,328 And I keep having this thought that perhaps I've got a duty to do something about it 562 00:38:16,328 --> 00:38:19,156 - Blow the whistle, as it were - Blow what whistle? 563 00:38:19,156 --> 00:38:22,565 Because you know who I keep thinking about this week? 564 00:38:22,565 --> 00:38:29,132 When I hear you talking about other people's children? 565 00:38:29,132 --> 00:38:31,797 - Carol - Carol? As in...? 566 00:38:31,797 --> 00:38:32,969 - Thatcher - Right 567 00:38:32,969 --> 00:38:35,930 - Because that can't be easy. Can it? - You mean... 568 00:38:35,930 --> 00:38:38,282 I mean, do you think she ever manages... 569 00:38:38,282 --> 00:38:42,954 ...to stroke Carol on the cheek and tell her she's wonderful? Margaret? 570 00:38:42,954 --> 00:38:48,572 'Come here, you great silly thing. Come here, my beautiful girl' 571 00:38:48,572 --> 00:38:50,950 Do you think she can ever muster that kind of tenderness? 572 00:38:50,950 --> 00:38:54,617 - I shouldn't think that's her forte somehow - Come to Mummy 573 00:38:54,617 --> 00:38:57,183 I tell you, if I see her at conference I'm going to do it 574 00:38:57,183 --> 00:38:58,183 I don't understand 575 00:38:57,943 --> 00:39:02,055 I'm going to stride right up there onto the podium and give her a cuddle 576 00:39:02,055 --> 00:39:07,345 - Oh lord, oh Di, I can't bear it for you - Sorry? 577 00:39:07,345 --> 00:39:08,533 - Come on - What are you doing? 578 00:39:08,533 --> 00:39:12,505 You've gone potty, darling. Since last weekend. I knew something was wrong 579 00:39:12,505 --> 00:39:16,363 - It's why I keep telling you to do the crossword - I haven't gone potty, Robin 580 00:39:16,363 --> 00:39:19,558 - You haven't? - Still grimly lucid, I'm afraid 581 00:39:19,558 --> 00:39:24,213 You're quite sure? Because you know, I'd have to take you down to the vet's if you had 582 00:39:24,213 --> 00:39:25,213 Oh, would you? 583 00:39:25,195 --> 00:39:28,570 Only humane thing to do in the circs. Coming on top of the gammy hip 584 00:39:28,570 --> 00:39:31,790 But listen, they're very good at it these days. Hardly feel a thing, apparently 585 00:39:31,790 --> 00:39:34,513 - You know, I think I'm rather touched by that - I'm sorry? 586 00:39:34,513 --> 00:39:41,322 I am. Because it's surprisingly hard to accomplish on one's own, isn't it? 587 00:39:41,322 --> 00:39:46,329 As they all kept saying at Christmas, if the stairs had been one flight longer... 588 00:39:46,329 --> 00:39:48,903 - Don't! - Or if we hadn't put that wretched runner in 589 00:39:48,903 --> 00:39:50,358 Please don't start that up again 590 00:39:50,358 --> 00:39:53,657 It's the self-protective reflex. The hands just shoot out 591 00:39:53,657 --> 00:39:57,369 Please, Di! I heard you doing this at that dinner last weekend. Buffy didn't know where to look 592 00:39:57,369 --> 00:40:00,789 - Yes, it was wonderful - It was extremely embarrassing 593 00:40:00,789 --> 00:40:06,303 Have a heart. It's one of the few remaining pleasures, frightening the wives 594 00:40:06,303 --> 00:40:11,327 I mean it. People will believe you. It'll end up in the papers. Even Ken asked afterwards if it was true 595 00:40:11,327 --> 00:40:13,705 - And what did you say? - I said don't believe a word of it 596 00:40:13,705 --> 00:40:19,101 She's only after the attention. Truth is, I said, it was nothing more glamorous than a drunken stumble 597 00:40:19,101 --> 00:40:22,664 - You didn't! - Mid-morning sherry. Arse over tit 598 00:40:22,664 --> 00:40:25,975 You're always undermining me. It's very unkind 599 00:40:25,975 --> 00:40:30,607 No, I'm terribly generous to you, actually. When you're out of earshot 600 00:40:30,607 --> 00:40:33,943 I tell them she only behaves appallingly because she's unfulfilled 601 00:40:33,943 --> 00:40:37,997 Forgive her, I say, for she's squandered herself on the herbaceous border 602 00:40:37,997 --> 00:40:42,800 When she ought to have been someone dazzling 603 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:46,664 - You don't say that - I do 604 00:40:46,664 --> 00:40:51,210 No wonder she drinks like a minor royal, I say 605 00:40:51,210 --> 00:40:55,235 There you are, you see? I can do your psychology if I have to. Even without the novels 606 00:40:55,235 --> 00:40:59,803 Poor old Di, I say. She's wasted down here in the country 607 00:40:59,803 --> 00:41:04,210 I mean, knowing your gin intake, you'd be wasted up in London too 608 00:41:04,210 --> 00:41:11,042 They did ask, you know. In the hospital at Christmas. Any history of it in the family? 609 00:41:11,042 --> 00:41:16,245 Because apparently it can be passed down. Like a weak chin 610 00:41:16,245 --> 00:41:20,946 - The urge to fling oneself down three flights of stairs - What are you doing? 611 00:41:20,946 --> 00:41:23,163 - Doing? - What the hell are you trying to achieve? 612 00:41:23,163 --> 00:41:28,789 I suppose I could drive into Oxford. Walk into the BBC building on the Banbury Road 613 00:41:28,789 --> 00:41:33,068 Say I've got a bit of background they might be interested in 614 00:41:33,068 --> 00:41:36,524 Take the old cine film with me. They'd watch it 615 00:41:36,524 --> 00:41:40,305 I don't know what this game is, but I'm telling you now, I don't want to play it 616 00:41:40,305 --> 00:41:42,893 Yes, I'm afraid it's going to have to be a new one today 617 00:41:42,893 --> 00:41:44,450 - A new...? - Game 618 00:41:44,450 --> 00:41:48,898 You show me your shame, I'll show you mine. That's the gist of it 619 00:41:48,898 --> 00:41:53,796 Gosh, what rotten luck. Because I'm afraid I'm off games today. Note from matron and everything 620 00:41:53,796 --> 00:41:55,962 Think of it as a sort of confession 621 00:41:55,962 --> 00:41:58,213 - I'm sorry? - Bad form notwithstanding 622 00:41:58,213 --> 00:42:02,087 - Confession? Oh my God - 'Fraid so, Robin 623 00:42:02,087 --> 00:42:05,222 - No! So it was you! - What do you mean? 624 00:42:05,222 --> 00:42:11,243 How could you, Diana? There I was, all these months, thinking it was the fox and it wasn't 625 00:42:11,243 --> 00:42:13,392 - The fox? - It was my own wife 626 00:42:13,392 --> 00:42:17,606 I can see you now, out there with the trowel while I'm up in London 627 00:42:17,606 --> 00:42:20,156 - There we are - Just turning up the dial on my blood pressure? 628 00:42:20,156 --> 00:42:23,599 Is that the idea? Hastening the arrival of the long promised coronary? 629 00:42:23,599 --> 00:42:24,599 That's it 630 00:42:24,423 --> 00:42:27,696 Don't think I haven't spotted you trying to get my cholesterol up 631 00:42:27,696 --> 00:42:32,336 I saw you last weekend, slipping an extra yolk into my scrambled egg 632 00:42:32,336 --> 00:42:38,978 Poor me, honestly. And yet every week I come back for more. That's what I can't understand 633 00:42:38,978 --> 00:42:46,978 Oh Christ. You know what it must be? I must still love you 634 00:42:47,453 --> 00:42:55,453 It might be true, you know. It might be love. It might be longing 635 00:42:55,677 --> 00:42:59,427 Don't you dare do that 636 00:43:01,793 --> 00:43:08,608 You know what I was trying to remember in the car? Who was it that had his brain preserved? 637 00:43:08,608 --> 00:43:13,197 Couldn't bear the thought that when he died, all the wonders of his mind were just going to evaporate 638 00:43:13,197 --> 00:43:15,532 So he had it pickled. Do you remember? 639 00:43:15,532 --> 00:43:17,642 - It was one of the philosophers - Bentham 640 00:43:17,642 --> 00:43:20,674 - We saw it at that fundraiser. UCL - Bentham 641 00:43:20,674 --> 00:43:24,201 - That's right. Well done, old girl - All still there, you see 642 00:43:24,201 --> 00:43:31,495 I was thinking it's not a bad response, is it? Set oneself in aspic. Live on in the larder 643 00:43:31,495 --> 00:43:35,522 Because what will one leave behind otherwise? Really? At the final reckoning? 644 00:43:35,522 --> 00:43:40,136 Oh I don't know... A deregulated financial services industry 645 00:43:40,136 --> 00:43:43,437 - What's that? - A less equal society 646 00:43:43,437 --> 00:43:45,186 - I mean it - So do I 647 00:43:45,186 --> 00:43:47,983 A bag of one's clothes trundling down to the charity shop 648 00:43:47,983 --> 00:43:53,540 Is that the best one can hope for? One may be dead, but one's suits will still be worn 649 00:43:53,540 --> 00:43:57,163 Who needs God when you've got Sue Ryder? 650 00:43:57,163 --> 00:44:02,467 Thank God for Hansard. Because that's the great consolation in all this 651 00:44:02,467 --> 00:44:09,467 That one's been transcribed. That one will live on in the library of the House of Commons 652 00:44:09,467 --> 00:44:14,078 Throw in an obituary of some sort, presumably. Minor figure, but not without his contributions 653 00:44:14,078 --> 00:44:18,221 I don't suppose I'd warrant a full page, but I think they'd give me half, don't you? To wave me off? 654 00:44:18,221 --> 00:44:21,869 Or not even half? That would be the nightmare. After all this effort 655 00:44:21,869 --> 00:44:23,729 I came up to the flat 656 00:44:23,729 --> 00:44:25,558 - I'm sorry? - On Wednesday 657 00:44:25,558 --> 00:44:27,519 - But I wasn't there on Wednesday - No you weren't 658 00:44:27,519 --> 00:44:30,044 - I was... - Yes you were 659 00:44:30,044 --> 00:44:31,616 Oh, I see 660 00:44:31,616 --> 00:44:35,006 - Rotten luck, wasn't it? - Well, you should have said 661 00:44:35,006 --> 00:44:39,356 - You should have warned me - But it wasn't planned, you see. That's the trouble 662 00:44:39,356 --> 00:44:44,737 One minute I was sitting here, listening to your colleagues talking about safeguards on the radio 663 00:44:44,737 --> 00:44:49,657 Next thing I know, I'm in the mini metro, hurtling up Stokenchurch Hill 664 00:44:49,657 --> 00:44:52,422 And how was I to know it was Wednesdays? 665 00:44:52,422 --> 00:44:57,073 Because it used to be a Thursday in our day, didn't it, during the reign of my predecessor 666 00:44:57,073 --> 00:44:59,319 - You haven't come up to the flat for years - I know 667 00:44:59,319 --> 00:45:01,972 - You've never come up without telling me - Unbearable, isn't it? 668 00:45:01,972 --> 00:45:03,261 What did you want? 669 00:45:03,261 --> 00:45:07,065 Well, there were one or two things I thought we ought to discuss, you see 670 00:45:07,065 --> 00:45:08,599 - One or two... - Yes, I know 671 00:45:08,599 --> 00:45:13,535 I know it isn't the house style, but I thought we might give it a go 672 00:45:13,535 --> 00:45:17,238 Open up the bonnet. Better late than never 673 00:45:17,238 --> 00:45:20,973 I mean, I know we've traditionally favoured a more indirect approach 674 00:45:20,973 --> 00:45:26,765 But I'm beginning to feel that might not have stood us in the most brilliant stead 675 00:45:26,765 --> 00:45:34,100 I mean, I still remember your mother keeping her appointment at the hairdresser's the next day 676 00:45:34,100 --> 00:45:37,567 I know. That's the look I gave her. I remember thinking... 677 00:45:37,567 --> 00:45:42,323 ...Christ, there's a woman who knows how to brush a catastrophe under the carpet 678 00:45:42,323 --> 00:45:44,934 - Well, there we are, you'll know for next time - Sorry? 679 00:45:44,934 --> 00:45:48,427 Not to come up to the flat like that. Because it can be a very busy day, a Wednesday 680 00:45:48,427 --> 00:45:50,561 - Can it? - Chockablock 681 00:45:50,561 --> 00:45:55,213 But then this is what happens when one's as devoted to one's constituents as I am 682 00:45:55,213 --> 00:45:57,964 Speaking of which, I don't suppose you listened, did you, last night? 683 00:45:57,964 --> 00:46:02,843 Don't suppose you found time in your exhausting schedule for that? No? 684 00:46:02,843 --> 00:46:07,111 It was my Any Questions, Diana. Live from Leeds. But then of course you didn't listen 685 00:46:07,111 --> 00:46:12,948 Because it's a lot to ask, isn't it? Actually to have to think about somebody else for a moment 686 00:46:12,948 --> 00:46:16,919 Well, you'll be pleased to hear that I emerged more or less unscathed 687 00:46:16,919 --> 00:46:19,876 - One or two smatterings of applause, even - Did you really? 688 00:46:19,876 --> 00:46:22,698 Apparently the PM listened from Chequers and thought I did rather well 689 00:46:22,698 --> 00:46:23,841 - No! - Apparently 690 00:46:23,841 --> 00:46:25,391 The old gorgon approved 691 00:46:25,391 --> 00:46:27,765 Word is, I shall be getting a little pat on the head on Monday 692 00:46:27,765 --> 00:46:29,883 - Not a pat on the head! - Anyway 693 00:46:29,883 --> 00:46:32,564 - Or the bottom, do you think? - I'm sorry? 694 00:46:32,564 --> 00:46:35,243 - Does she do pats on the bottom, Margaret? - No 695 00:46:35,243 --> 00:46:38,141 - When you've really stuck it to 'em? - Not even then 696 00:46:38,141 --> 00:46:46,141 Oh, I bet she does if you're Alan Clark. Cecil. One of the thrusters 697 00:46:46,478 --> 00:46:52,556 I see the way she straightens all your ties. Picks fluff of your lapels 698 00:46:52,556 --> 00:46:57,006 - She's like a dominant female gorilla - No, she isn't 699 00:46:57,006 --> 00:46:59,188 - Prowling her pack - I promise you 700 00:46:59,188 --> 00:47:04,244 All her public schoolboys lined up in Smith Square, panting up at her 701 00:47:04,244 --> 00:47:09,592 - Your willies throbbing away in your y-fronts - Come on! 702 00:47:09,592 --> 00:47:13,210 Well, she never picks any girls to sit round the table, does she? 703 00:47:13,210 --> 00:47:21,210 Just roomfuls of men, ratcheting up the Local Government Act, section by section 704 00:47:21,721 --> 00:47:26,563 - Oh God. It's not her is it? - I'm sorry? 705 00:47:26,563 --> 00:47:28,360 The Wednesdays 706 00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:33,998 That really would be something, if it were Margaret you were whisking away to Wolverhampton 707 00:47:33,998 --> 00:47:36,308 - She's Mummy - I'm sorry? 708 00:47:36,308 --> 00:47:38,578 - The straightening of ties - Mummy? 709 00:47:38,578 --> 00:47:42,149 - The fluff on the lapel... - Oh now, that really is heartbreaking 710 00:47:42,149 --> 00:47:45,424 I'm saying she's a profoundly un-erotic woman 711 00:47:45,424 --> 00:47:53,424 I mean, I know your mother was more or less the missing link between Nancy Mitford and Atilla the Hun 712 00:47:54,107 --> 00:47:58,882 But the point about Mummy, in general, is that she's the soppy one 713 00:47:58,882 --> 00:48:02,752 She's the Prime Minister, Diana. She's not Esther Rantzen 714 00:48:02,752 --> 00:48:05,837 I wonder if there's a psychological explanation for it 715 00:48:05,837 --> 00:48:09,865 Perhaps she had an appalling experience of childbirth. That would do it 716 00:48:09,865 --> 00:48:14,936 If one of them got stuck on the way out. Maybe Carol had an enormous head 717 00:48:14,936 --> 00:48:16,211 - Must be it - Do you think? 718 00:48:16,211 --> 00:48:18,828 - If only they'd been quicker with the forceps - Well it's either that... 719 00:48:18,828 --> 00:48:23,108 ...or she's got one of the syndromes, isn't it. What's the one called... 720 00:48:23,108 --> 00:48:27,930 ...where you can't imagine the impact of your actions on somebody else? 721 00:48:27,930 --> 00:48:31,257 It's called Free Market Economics 722 00:48:31,257 --> 00:48:34,260 - Well don't joke about it - Oh cheer up, darling 723 00:48:34,260 --> 00:48:36,804 You can have a Bloody Mary soon. That'll take the edge off 724 00:48:36,804 --> 00:48:40,206 Because you have to mind about people 725 00:48:40,206 --> 00:48:44,415 - Mind about people? - And you don't. Not really 726 00:48:44,415 --> 00:48:47,265 In fact, having watched you in action all these years, I would say... 727 00:48:47,265 --> 00:48:51,347 ...that the word that best describes your attitude towards your constituents... 728 00:48:51,347 --> 00:48:54,597 - ...is disdain, actually - Absolute rubbish 729 00:48:54,597 --> 00:48:58,102 Mingled sometimes with a kind of appalled amusement 730 00:48:58,102 --> 00:49:01,534 Oh God, I'm really going to have to do this, am I? 731 00:49:01,534 --> 00:49:07,256 - Imagine there are two sets of parents, Diana - You're not going to... 732 00:49:07,256 --> 00:49:10,647 And both these sets of parents are teaching their child to ride a bicycle 733 00:49:10,647 --> 00:49:11,912 You are! 734 00:49:11,912 --> 00:49:16,392 The first set are terribly protective. Every time their child falls off, they rush over, scoop him up 735 00:49:16,392 --> 00:49:20,899 Ask him where it hurts, kiss it better. Horrid old bike, they say, throwing you off like that 736 00:49:20,899 --> 00:49:25,295 In the end they can't bear it any more and they screw the stabilisers back on 737 00:49:25,295 --> 00:49:29,608 - That'll keep you safe, they say - Yes, I'm just about there 738 00:49:29,608 --> 00:49:31,989 Meanwhile, the second set of parents take a different approach 739 00:49:31,989 --> 00:49:33,632 They don't! 740 00:49:33,632 --> 00:49:37,817 They don't love their child any less than the first set. They also hate to see him hurt himself 741 00:49:37,817 --> 00:49:43,113 They also want to rush straight over and re-attach the stabilisers. But they resist this urge 742 00:49:43,113 --> 00:49:50,041 They force themselves to appear nonchalant, relaxed. Come on old boy, they say, up you get 743 00:49:50,041 --> 00:49:52,896 - That was very good - But you see my point 744 00:49:52,896 --> 00:50:00,565 No, I do. As a woman, I find a domestic analogy such a help 745 00:50:00,565 --> 00:50:06,892 The point is, you have to ask yourself which set of parents are being kinder actually to the child 746 00:50:06,892 --> 00:50:11,725 Because one wants the boy to be on his BMX, Diana, zooming off down the hill with his friends 747 00:50:11,725 --> 00:50:15,244 That's all I'm trying to say. One wants him to thrive 748 00:50:15,244 --> 00:50:18,301 No, you know why it's so brilliant, your analogy? 749 00:50:18,301 --> 00:50:21,762 Because there is more than one way to mind about people 750 00:50:21,762 --> 00:50:25,587 Because you're always standing up there at the top of the hill 751 00:50:25,587 --> 00:50:29,172 - What? - It's perfect, isn't it? As a visual representation... 752 00:50:29,172 --> 00:50:33,110 ...of the relationship between the Conservative Party and the people they govern 753 00:50:33,110 --> 00:50:34,704 Oh, don't be so aggravating 754 00:50:34,704 --> 00:50:38,489 Because it's never you clattering onto the tarmac, is it? 755 00:50:38,489 --> 00:50:44,044 It's always the social workers or the miners or the fledgling homosexuals... 756 00:50:44,044 --> 00:50:48,511 - Oh my God, she's going to start on the miners! - Nothing's ever going to touch you 757 00:50:48,511 --> 00:50:51,448 But then this is the classic intellectual cowardice of the Left, isn't it? 758 00:50:51,448 --> 00:50:54,672 It's so much easier to argue against a distortion of who we are 759 00:50:54,672 --> 00:50:56,845 I'm not distorting anything 760 00:50:56,845 --> 00:50:59,693 Shall I tell you a secret about the miners? And I hate to spoil your fun 761 00:50:59,693 --> 00:51:05,605 But the Conservative Party isn't killing off the mining industry. It's dying all on its own 762 00:51:05,605 --> 00:51:09,023 And you know what? That's a good thing. Because it's polluting, and it's dangerous... 763 00:51:09,023 --> 00:51:12,194 ...and it's a bloody awful way to make a living, actually 764 00:51:12,194 --> 00:51:17,502 And do you think the next generation of young people are going to want to do these jobs? 765 00:51:17,502 --> 00:51:23,367 Stuck in a hole in the ground, clogging up their lungs? Lousy pay? No prospect of advancement? 766 00:51:23,367 --> 00:51:28,458 Of course they're not. They want to get out. They want to buy a bigger television and a new car 767 00:51:28,458 --> 00:51:29,792 You're doing them a favour! 768 00:51:29,792 --> 00:51:33,382 - They want more - Of course! Dear old Margaret 769 00:51:33,382 --> 00:51:36,947 Do you know what they don't want? To be pitied by people like you... 770 00:51:36,947 --> 00:51:41,945 ...who romanticise the working-class way of life without having the first clue about it 771 00:51:41,945 --> 00:51:46,607 Because you know what it does, that attitude? It keeps people in their place 772 00:51:46,607 --> 00:51:50,891 So don't talk to me about the miners. Oh, and don't talk to me about Margaret either 773 00:51:50,891 --> 00:51:55,145 As though she was sitting there in Downing Street plotting the destruction of the working poor 774 00:51:55,145 --> 00:51:58,035 Honestly! You preach empathy at me... 775 00:51:58,035 --> 00:52:02,578 ...but you never think it incumbent upon you to understand Margaret, do you? 776 00:52:02,578 --> 00:52:06,750 Well, I hate to tell you, but she's not Pol Pot 777 00:52:06,750 --> 00:52:10,564 - No? - She's not even General Pinochet 778 00:52:10,564 --> 00:52:16,120 I don't know, darling. I saw her sticking out of that tank 779 00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:21,296 Shall I tell you the key to understanding Margaret Thatcher? 780 00:52:21,296 --> 00:52:24,086 I sense you're going to 781 00:52:24,086 --> 00:52:26,957 She's a grammar school girl from Grantham. That's all 782 00:52:26,957 --> 00:52:29,610 - I'm sorry? - For example, nobody knew her at Oxford 783 00:52:29,610 --> 00:52:32,821 - Oh, my God! - I know 784 00:52:32,821 --> 00:52:36,981 The great towering figure of our age, and yet she hardly even registered 785 00:52:36,981 --> 00:52:42,326 And you know why? Because the women's colleges were full of Margaret Thatchers 786 00:52:42,326 --> 00:52:46,143 It was a type, these grammar school girls. They weren't there... 787 00:52:46,143 --> 00:52:51,634 ...because they had exceptional minds, or because they had any sort of intellectual flair 788 00:52:51,634 --> 00:52:55,752 No, they were there because they worked harder than everybody else, do you see? 789 00:52:55,752 --> 00:52:59,008 Went to every lecture. Read every book on the reading list 790 00:52:59,008 --> 00:53:04,052 That's who Margaret is. Look at her. Second class degree in Chemistry 791 00:53:04,052 --> 00:53:06,786 - You really don't see it, do you? - Sorry? 792 00:53:06,786 --> 00:53:09,531 But then, of course you don't. Because every time you open your mouth... 793 00:53:09,531 --> 00:53:15,302 ...everyone shuts up and listens, don't they. That's been your entire experience of life 794 00:53:15,302 --> 00:53:20,977 No matter how ill-informed, ill-thought-through or frankly banal your opinion is... 795 00:53:20,977 --> 00:53:23,963 ...everyone is desperate to hear it 796 00:53:23,963 --> 00:53:26,438 But if you're a woman, Robin... 797 00:53:26,438 --> 00:53:32,233 And I can't believe you've now forced me into defending Margaret Thatcher... 798 00:53:32,233 --> 00:53:36,884 But if you're a grammar school girl from Grantham, then you have to demonstrate... 799 00:53:36,884 --> 00:53:41,865 ...that you've read every book on the reading list, otherwise nobody listens to a word you say 800 00:53:41,865 --> 00:53:44,407 Yes, you've gone off on a sort of nightmarish tangent 801 00:53:44,407 --> 00:53:49,329 And actually, can I just point out what's really pernicious about what you just said? 802 00:53:49,329 --> 00:53:50,329 Do you have to? 803 00:53:50,025 --> 00:53:55,088 It's that you then claim that the extra work a woman has to do in order to be taken seriously... 804 00:53:55,088 --> 00:53:59,519 ...is in fact indicative of her lack of intellectual flair 805 00:53:59,519 --> 00:54:03,264 - That's not what I was saying - Implicit in which, and this is the crowning glory... 806 00:54:03,264 --> 00:54:07,738 You actually think you've made it to the top because of innate talent 807 00:54:07,738 --> 00:54:10,706 Don't you? You see, you do 808 00:54:10,706 --> 00:54:15,779 You think you chaps are running the country because you're brilliant 809 00:54:15,779 --> 00:54:19,449 - But then it's a type, isn't it? - I'm sorry? 810 00:54:19,449 --> 00:54:22,261 The men's colleges were full of them 811 00:54:22,261 --> 00:54:30,261 Yes, if you'd listen rather than attacking me, you'd discover that I am explaining something to you 812 00:54:30,666 --> 00:54:35,944 You're explaining something to me! How incredibly unusual 813 00:54:35,944 --> 00:54:40,857 I'm saying that if you want to understand Margaret's politics, you have to understand who she is 814 00:54:40,857 --> 00:54:47,659 Because she's not charismatic, she's not a great orator, she's a nightmare to sit next to at dinner 815 00:54:47,659 --> 00:54:50,788 And yet there she is. The most successful Prime Minister since the war 816 00:54:50,788 --> 00:54:55,033 And you know how she got there? Sheer dogged determination 817 00:54:55,033 --> 00:55:00,370 By working bloody hard. By not expecting anything from anyone 818 00:55:00,370 --> 00:55:05,234 And as a result, that's her template for helping other people. Do you see? 819 00:55:05,234 --> 00:55:11,213 Don't look after people if you want them to do well. Don't encourage failure by subsidising it 820 00:55:11,213 --> 00:55:16,130 Don't tell everybody they're wonderful, or whatever it is you want her to do to Carol 821 00:55:16,130 --> 00:55:24,130 Make them strong. Set them free. That's her version of being kind, Diana 822 00:55:25,565 --> 00:55:29,295 She's a bloody difficult woman. I accept that. But she's not a monster 823 00:55:29,295 --> 00:55:36,214 And do you know what else she isn't? A bottom patter 824 00:55:36,214 --> 00:55:40,370 - Oh no! I can't bear it! - What? 825 00:55:40,370 --> 00:55:42,895 - You've forgotten the Scotts are coming - No I haven't 826 00:55:42,895 --> 00:55:45,102 - And you've got a plan for lunch, have you? - For lunch? 827 00:55:45,102 --> 00:55:49,078 Only the fridge is looking particularly Soviet this morning, even by your standards 828 00:55:49,078 --> 00:55:52,456 - Oh no! But I thought you were doing lunch - I'm sorry? 829 00:55:52,456 --> 00:55:54,417 - I thought it was your turn - My turn? 830 00:55:54,417 --> 00:55:59,902 - Was that not right? - But it hasn't been my turn once in thirty years 831 00:55:59,902 --> 00:56:03,264 - Oh, I see - Well, has it? 832 00:56:03,264 --> 00:56:08,329 - Oh, very funny - I just give you the rope, darling 833 00:56:08,329 --> 00:56:11,183 You've been rubbing away at Germaine Greer again, have you? 834 00:56:11,183 --> 00:56:14,063 - That's it - You've been fumbling with the female eunuch 835 00:56:14,063 --> 00:56:16,768 I tell you, she's a lovely girl. Lot going for her 836 00:56:16,768 --> 00:56:19,908 Listen, I'd love it if you discovered feminism. I would 837 00:56:19,908 --> 00:56:24,334 Only I'm afraid the boring thing about emancipating yourself from the shackles of the weekly shop... 838 00:56:24,334 --> 00:56:26,754 ...is that you have to do something else in its place 839 00:56:26,754 --> 00:56:30,809 - Is that right? - Look at you, standing there in your nightie 840 00:56:30,809 --> 00:56:36,114 And it's not much to ask, is it? A bit of cold ham. Some coronation chicken 841 00:56:36,114 --> 00:56:41,594 I work bloody hard, Diana. And nobody else has to put up with this sort of performance 842 00:56:41,594 --> 00:56:45,187 Even the Tebbits can manage a Sunday lunch 843 00:56:45,187 --> 00:56:47,959 If I did murder you... 844 00:56:47,959 --> 00:56:51,181 - ...I'd bring this up as a mitigating circumstance - Would you? 845 00:56:51,181 --> 00:56:54,033 The defendant returned after a particularly gruelling week in London... 846 00:56:54,033 --> 00:56:59,657 ...at eleven o'clock on the morning in question to discover his wife still in her dressing gown 847 00:56:59,657 --> 00:57:01,044 Rumpole's back 848 00:57:01,044 --> 00:57:04,519 Imagine his dismay, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, when he also discovered... 849 00:57:04,519 --> 00:57:12,519 ...that the only item fit for human consumption in the entire house was one small slab of cheddar 850 00:57:12,787 --> 00:57:13,787 Objection! 851 00:57:13,636 --> 00:57:17,171 Said cheddar being of what one might charitably call uncertain provenance 852 00:57:17,171 --> 00:57:20,391 - I said objection! - On what grounds? 853 00:57:20,391 --> 00:57:24,830 - On the grounds that it's a Yarg - It's not! My God 854 00:57:24,830 --> 00:57:28,968 And how was the defendant planning to serve up this Cornish delight? Cold on crackers? 855 00:57:28,968 --> 00:57:31,989 Or were you thinking you might stretch all the way to cheese on toast? 856 00:57:31,989 --> 00:57:35,066 I find if one calls it a rarebit... 857 00:57:35,066 --> 00:57:37,976 - Oh, do you? - Smear of mustard... 858 00:57:37,976 --> 00:57:40,628 There we are, they'll be so pleased they made the effort 859 00:57:40,628 --> 00:57:44,654 Oh, I wouldn't worry about the Scotts, darling. They're like all our friends over sixty 860 00:57:44,654 --> 00:57:50,247 They're only eating to soak up the claret 861 00:57:50,247 --> 00:57:52,870 - Twelve at a squeeze - I'm sorry? 862 00:57:52,870 --> 00:57:55,661 Ten comfortably, twelve at a squeeze 863 00:57:55,661 --> 00:58:01,154 First thing we bought together, wasn't it. You and I. As a pair. Antique shop in Woodstock 864 00:58:01,154 --> 00:58:05,076 Ridiculous, of course. An enormous table like that for the two of us 865 00:58:05,076 --> 00:58:09,704 But the man persuaded us it was the thing we most needed in the world. Do you remember? 866 00:58:09,704 --> 00:58:12,365 You'll live your life around a table like that, he said 867 00:58:12,365 --> 00:58:18,951 Birthdays, clan gatherings, long Sunday lunches stretching into the afternoon 868 00:58:18,951 --> 00:58:22,968 By the time he'd finished talking we were almost worried that it was too small 869 00:58:22,968 --> 00:58:25,488 And here he is, facing cheese on toast 870 00:58:25,488 --> 00:58:29,527 - Oh well. I find if you call it a rarebit... - That's the spirit 871 00:58:29,527 --> 00:58:35,192 Thirty pounds it cost. Absolute fortune. Funny the things that stay with you 872 00:58:35,192 --> 00:58:40,098 Vast swathes of one's life get washed away and these moments remain 873 00:58:40,098 --> 00:58:46,105 Pair of suckers, I suppose. But then one had such confidence, didn't one 874 00:58:46,105 --> 00:58:53,121 In the shape one's life would have. The ability to make it happen. When we embarked on all this 875 00:58:53,121 --> 00:58:57,898 - She's got a well-stocked fridge, has she? - I'm sorry? 876 00:58:57,898 --> 00:59:01,217 Wednesday nights? Feeds you up? 877 00:59:01,217 --> 00:59:06,613 Nursery food, I imagine. Steamed puddings. All the old favourites 878 00:59:06,613 --> 00:59:11,450 Oh my God! What's that? It's not the fox? 879 00:59:11,450 --> 00:59:14,083 Sounds like someone's being murdered out there 880 00:59:14,083 --> 00:59:17,181 - You know what it's doing, don't you? - You're going to tell me it's mating 881 00:59:17,181 --> 00:59:20,747 - It's summoning its friends - Oh don't! 882 00:59:20,747 --> 00:59:25,931 From the Welsh valleys, they will come. From the Cairngorms 883 00:59:25,931 --> 00:59:27,155 Do you know who I am? 884 00:59:27,155 --> 00:59:32,306 I'm on the Agriculture and Fisheries Select Committee. I could order a cull 885 00:59:32,306 --> 00:59:36,389 And you know what's going to happen next? They'll be coming through this Channel Tunnel 886 00:59:36,389 --> 00:59:41,286 - Not foreign foxes! - It's serious 887 00:59:41,286 --> 00:59:48,262 Not European foxes! They think they can just come in here. Eat our hens 888 00:59:48,262 --> 00:59:50,632 They're saying that they'll have someone there with a gun when it breaks through... 889 00:59:50,632 --> 00:59:53,988 - ...shooting them as they come out - That's what she wants, is it? 890 00:59:53,988 --> 00:59:56,229 - Because of what they'll bring in - Yes 891 00:59:56,229 --> 00:59:59,001 All the things we've been safe from as an island 892 00:59:59,001 --> 01:00:03,368 - And I suspect they'll be lacking the moral values too - Sorry? 893 01:00:03,368 --> 01:00:07,050 No it's brilliant, darling. No wonder you frighten people into voting for you 894 01:00:07,050 --> 01:00:08,801 You want rabies back in the country do you? 895 01:00:08,801 --> 01:00:13,697 - And we do not frighten people into voting for us - Of course you do. You work out... 896 01:00:13,697 --> 01:00:18,552 ...which particular sub-set of the population they're most prejudiced against and you're off 897 01:00:18,552 --> 01:00:21,182 You wanted to know why people keep putting us back in power? 898 01:00:21,182 --> 01:00:25,924 That's why. Because you mistake people's legitimate concerns for prejudice 899 01:00:25,924 --> 01:00:30,186 And you know what? Funnily enough, people don't like being called bigots. You'd be amazed 900 01:00:30,186 --> 01:00:34,156 But it's always us against them, isn't it? That's always the story you tell 901 01:00:34,156 --> 01:00:38,281 That's what politics is, Diana, us against them. That's literally how it works 902 01:00:38,281 --> 01:00:41,670 And people need a story. They need to be told who they are. Always have 903 01:00:41,670 --> 01:00:43,924 George and the Dragon. Henry the Fifth. We shall fight them on the beaches 904 01:00:43,924 --> 01:00:46,331 - We'll arrest them at the ports - I'm sorry? 905 01:00:46,331 --> 01:00:52,316 We'll find them on the ferries. Isn't that what you said on your Any Questions? 906 01:00:52,316 --> 01:00:56,833 - So you did listen! - Of course I listened. I'm your wife 907 01:00:56,833 --> 01:01:00,012 - And? What did you think? - What did I think? 908 01:01:00,012 --> 01:01:04,758 I was unbelievably ashamed of you 909 01:01:04,758 --> 01:01:11,252 - You didn't agree with Polly Toynbee? - I thought she was very persuasive 910 01:01:11,252 --> 01:01:15,162 I'd be persuasive if I was a liberal in a large house in Islington 911 01:01:15,162 --> 01:01:18,661 - She was being kind - I hate to tell you, Diana... 912 01:01:18,661 --> 01:01:22,075 ...but politics isn't just about being nice to people 913 01:01:22,075 --> 01:01:24,943 Although that wouldn't be a bad place to start, would it? 914 01:01:24,943 --> 01:01:27,754 I'm not going to go into all this 915 01:01:27,754 --> 01:01:29,965 - We'll take them to the pub, will we? - I'm sorry? 916 01:01:29,965 --> 01:01:34,143 The Scotts. Given the absence of food in the house 917 01:01:34,143 --> 01:01:39,149 We'll tell them you've had a frantic week. Torrid time at the hairdressers 918 01:01:39,149 --> 01:01:40,590 I'll book a table. Oh, meanwhile... 919 01:01:40,590 --> 01:01:45,327 ...do you think you might manage to get dressed? It might give a more normal air to proceedings 920 01:01:45,327 --> 01:01:48,080 Or shall we tell them them you were too busy for that as well? 921 01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:51,358 - We could start with the Thesaurus story, I suppose - The what? 922 01:01:51,358 --> 01:01:58,027 You remember the Thesaurus story, Robin. Twelve children sitting in a circle on the floor 923 01:01:58,027 --> 01:02:02,853 It's a birthday party and there's an entertainer. Smarty Arty, he's called 924 01:02:02,853 --> 01:02:07,544 And he goes round all the children and asks them what their favourite dinosaur is 925 01:02:07,544 --> 01:02:14,082 And all the other children say the Diplodocus or the Pterodactyl or the Tyrannosaurus Rex 926 01:02:14,082 --> 01:02:21,295 Until it comes to the birthday boy and he sits there, very solemnly, very seriously... 927 01:02:21,295 --> 01:02:27,846 ...and he says the Thesaurus is his favourite dinosaur 928 01:02:27,846 --> 01:02:33,604 And all the grown-ups laughed, you remember? And he didn't know why it was funny 929 01:02:33,604 --> 01:02:37,770 And he burst into tears, and he came and sat on his mother's knee 930 01:02:37,770 --> 01:02:43,537 And his father said... Well, you remember. What did his father say? 931 01:02:43,537 --> 01:02:45,954 - Right in front of all of his friends - What are you doing, Diana? 932 01:02:45,954 --> 01:02:51,099 Well you said it. If you don't have a story, then how do you know who you are? 933 01:02:51,099 --> 01:02:54,795 - Henry the Fifth, George and the Dragon... - All right 934 01:02:54,795 --> 01:03:02,295 Don't be such a girl about it. That's what you said 935 01:03:03,052 --> 01:03:07,991 - What's that? - I did try to do it with the cine film 936 01:03:07,991 --> 01:03:10,458 - Would have been gentler - I don't understand 937 01:03:10,458 --> 01:03:14,458 As luck would have it... 938 01:03:14,810 --> 01:03:22,810 June 17th, 1971. Dad took me out for lunch. Lot of material today, he's written. 'Lot' underlined 939 01:03:26,587 --> 01:03:29,374 - We went to the dreaded club - That's not... 940 01:03:29,374 --> 01:03:33,038 I know! Isn't it tremendous. At least one of us kept a record 941 01:03:33,038 --> 01:03:38,671 Dad ordered a bottle of claret and we ate enormous and extremely manly steaks 942 01:03:38,671 --> 01:03:43,901 After lunch he said 'I've got a birthday present for you' 943 01:03:43,901 --> 01:03:49,082 We got in the car, and he drove us down to a mews off the Bayswater Road 944 01:03:49,082 --> 01:03:55,821 We got out and he rang a doorbell. 'Have fun', he said. 'I'll be parked round the corner' 945 01:03:55,821 --> 01:03:57,759 This is in extremely bad taste 946 01:03:57,759 --> 01:04:05,428 Linda, her name was. She said 'I hear it's someone's birthday' 947 01:04:05,428 --> 01:04:10,399 In the car on the way back to school, Dad asked me how it had been 948 01:04:10,399 --> 01:04:16,375 'She was gorgeous', I said. I let him drive on for a bit, looking pleased with me 949 01:04:16,375 --> 01:04:23,833 Then I said 'The thing is, we shared an absolute abhorrence for chintz' 950 01:04:23,833 --> 01:04:30,481 'You shared what?' 'Chintz', I said. 'Neither of us can stand it. I tell you, she's got a real eye for fabric' 951 01:04:30,481 --> 01:04:31,481 That's enough now 952 01:04:31,466 --> 01:04:37,742 'You should go and have a look', I said. 'Her curtains are a fabulous toile de joie' 953 01:04:37,742 --> 01:04:44,512 Coming back to you, is it? Because I tell you, it's all there. Our own private Hansard 954 01:04:44,512 --> 01:04:49,815 And there's masses more, if you'd like it. I tell you he's bloody good 955 01:04:49,815 --> 01:04:53,071 Wait till you get to the sex scenes. It's riveting 956 01:04:53,071 --> 01:04:55,769 - What are you doing, Diana? - The boy on the bicycle 957 01:04:55,769 --> 01:04:59,459 Seeing as that's the analogy we're using. Wobbling down the road 958 01:04:59,459 --> 01:05:03,845 Oh for goodness sake, that wasn't the wrong thing to do. That thing you read out in the diary 959 01:05:03,845 --> 01:05:06,706 - Not the wrong thing? - It was cack-handed, possibly 960 01:05:06,706 --> 01:05:12,621 Amazing. But then this is why I needed to talk to you on Wednesday, wasn't it? Before the vote 961 01:05:12,621 --> 01:05:14,433 - Do you want to know where I was on Wednesday? - Not really 962 01:05:14,433 --> 01:05:16,389 - Where do you think I was? - I don't even care 963 01:05:16,389 --> 01:05:20,707 - No go on, tell me - I rang through to Barbara in the office 964 01:05:20,707 --> 01:05:28,279 'Are you two having a lovely time?' she said. 'What a treat for you both to get away mid-week' 965 01:05:28,279 --> 01:05:36,279 I was surprisingly sad, you know. Because I ought to tell you, I don't have anyone 966 01:05:37,597 --> 01:05:41,451 I want you to know I pulled it off. 'Oh yes, ' I said. 'Huge treat' 967 01:05:41,451 --> 01:05:44,407 - It's not what you think - No? 968 01:05:44,407 --> 01:05:48,857 - Oh God, it's not love, is it? - Sorry? 969 01:05:48,857 --> 01:05:51,697 Because sex I think one could somehow cope with 970 01:05:51,697 --> 01:05:59,697 But what if it's some nice middle-aged woman in an Alice band. Corduroy skirt. Sensible shoes 971 01:05:59,813 --> 01:06:00,996 Do you want me to explain? 972 01:06:00,996 --> 01:06:05,368 If you just clamber into bed. Read each other tit-bits from The Times... 973 01:06:05,368 --> 01:06:09,277 - You've got the wrong end of the stick - You didn't come back all night, Robin 974 01:06:09,277 --> 01:06:13,110 - You didn't stay all night? - I sat on the chair by the door 975 01:06:13,110 --> 01:06:21,110 Waiting to hear your footsteps on the stairs. Only they never came. Did they? 976 01:06:22,215 --> 01:06:24,465 - No - No 977 01:06:26,437 --> 01:06:31,195 But you made it to the vote, though. Presumably. From wherever you were 978 01:06:31,195 --> 01:06:36,945 Yes, of course you did. Christ, Robin 979 01:06:37,304 --> 01:06:43,892 And then to have to listen to you last night on the radio, defending it 980 01:06:43,892 --> 01:06:46,256 Of all the people they could have sent out there 981 01:06:46,256 --> 01:06:49,973 Why didn't you say no? Why didn't you say you couldn't do it? 982 01:06:49,973 --> 01:06:53,960 - Because I could. Because I wanted to - You wanted to? 983 01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:55,761 They have an agenda, these councils 984 01:06:55,761 --> 01:07:01,450 It's about identity, difference, minorities. That's how they do us against them 985 01:07:01,450 --> 01:07:06,654 But imagine the child going to the teacher to ask for help. Imagine that moment 986 01:07:06,654 --> 01:07:09,126 They want people to feel victimised, resentful 987 01:07:09,126 --> 01:07:14,425 Even you must be able to see it. How much is riding on that teacher's response 988 01:07:14,425 --> 01:07:15,425 You're missing the point 989 01:07:15,190 --> 01:07:19,115 Because to be absolutely clear, not only are you telling that teacher... 990 01:07:19,115 --> 01:07:24,366 ...that it would be illegal to comfort the frightened and bewildered child standing in front of her 991 01:07:24,366 --> 01:07:32,137 You are also telling that child that their worst anxieties are true. That it is unacceptable 992 01:07:32,137 --> 01:07:38,429 And you'd like them to be told it's going to be easy, is that it? Walk in the park? To be a homosexual? 993 01:07:38,429 --> 01:07:40,691 I'd like them to be told it's normal 994 01:07:40,691 --> 01:07:44,963 But it's not the norm, Di, it isn't. That's exactly the point 995 01:07:44,963 --> 01:07:46,709 And it's not an easy life 996 01:07:46,709 --> 01:07:50,121 If one lived in... San Francisco, maybe it would be different 997 01:07:50,121 --> 01:07:55,313 But we don't. This is England. We're a conservative nation. We are 998 01:07:55,313 --> 01:07:57,325 People don't want the world to change 999 01:07:57,325 --> 01:08:01,706 They want it to look the same as it did when they were growing up and they felt safe 1000 01:08:01,706 --> 01:08:06,848 They feel bewildered. Lost. They don't recognise the country they grew up in 1001 01:08:06,848 --> 01:08:13,918 And the result is that they feel threatened by people who are different. Frightened of them, actually 1002 01:08:13,918 --> 01:08:18,415 Then it's your responsibility as a politician to tell them they don't have to be frightened 1003 01:08:18,415 --> 01:08:23,807 We trust other people who are like us. It's a human instinct. We want to belong. We want to feel safe 1004 01:08:23,807 --> 01:08:27,721 Ask a black man. Ask him who he would trust his life to 1005 01:08:27,721 --> 01:08:31,842 Ask the Sikhs in Hounslow. Ask the homosexuals, actually 1006 01:08:31,842 --> 01:08:38,853 - You're saying... - I'm saying that it's easier to be in the majority 1007 01:08:38,853 --> 01:08:40,874 And I'm saying that if you're that teacher... 1008 01:08:40,874 --> 01:08:46,604 ...you have to think very carefully, actually, about what the kindest thing to say is 1009 01:08:46,604 --> 01:08:51,279 Because one wants a young person to choose a life that is going to offer him the most 1010 01:08:51,279 --> 01:08:56,776 And perhaps it's not a terrible idea to send him off in an easier direction 1011 01:08:56,776 --> 01:09:00,139 One's not fully formed at that age, Diana. Still malleable 1012 01:09:00,139 --> 01:09:06,158 And it does shut you out from things. That sort of life. You can't deny that. Family, children 1013 01:09:06,158 --> 01:09:14,065 Power, actually, if that's important to you. And there's a sadness to it. A loneliness 1014 01:09:14,065 --> 01:09:19,993 Look at Uncle John. Sitting there in that house on his own, surrounded by all that china 1015 01:09:19,993 --> 01:09:24,499 You think the best thing is to tell them their life is going to be normal 1016 01:09:24,499 --> 01:09:29,854 But perhaps it isn't. Perhaps it's going to be bloody difficult 1017 01:09:29,854 --> 01:09:33,387 - And this AIDS, Diana. If you saw them - I'm sorry? 1018 01:09:33,387 --> 01:09:35,536 These young men. Wasting away 1019 01:09:35,536 --> 01:09:42,342 Don't you dare. Don't you dare do that. When you have been using that illness to demonise them 1020 01:09:42,342 --> 01:09:45,406 - That's not what we've done - Look at your newspapers! 1021 01:09:45,406 --> 01:09:49,011 - They're not our newspapers - A plague. That's what they call it 1022 01:09:49,011 --> 01:09:53,151 You really think that we're all bigoted, do you? Is that it? Grow up, Diana 1023 01:09:53,151 --> 01:09:57,079 The Party is full of homosexuals. Look at St John Stevas 1024 01:09:57,079 --> 01:10:02,012 I don't think you're bigoted. I think you're cynical. And I think you're careless 1025 01:10:02,012 --> 01:10:06,454 And for you, Robin. For you, of all people, to be out there, defending this thing 1026 01:10:06,454 --> 01:10:07,744 You don't understand the Bill 1027 01:10:07,744 --> 01:10:11,780 Because I think it would have made a difference, don't you, to the way people heard you last night 1028 01:10:11,780 --> 01:10:16,757 If they knew that the man out there on the radio talking about safeguards... 1029 01:10:16,757 --> 01:10:22,702 ...had a son all of his own. Swam out one day into the Norfolk Broads 1030 01:10:22,702 --> 01:10:27,173 - What are you doing, Diana? - Sunny day, Robin. Cloudless sky 1031 01:10:27,173 --> 01:10:28,407 - No, thank you - You've got to admit... 1032 01:10:28,407 --> 01:10:31,609 - ...that puts a slightly different perspective on it - I said no, thank you 1033 01:10:31,609 --> 01:10:37,106 Because it wasn't an accident sort of day, was it? Not a ripple on the water 1034 01:10:37,106 --> 01:10:40,959 And how many times had we all swum there? The three of us. Over all those summers 1035 01:10:40,959 --> 01:10:43,831 - That's enough now - 'Died suddenly' 1036 01:10:43,831 --> 01:10:50,342 That's what you and your mother had them put in The Times. 'Died suddenly while on holiday' 1037 01:10:50,342 --> 01:10:52,785 And then on Sunday evening you went back up to London 1038 01:10:52,785 --> 01:10:53,962 I don't think you want to do this 1039 01:10:53,962 --> 01:11:00,352 And I know you had a quiet word with someone. Kept it out of the papers. Off the coroner's report 1040 01:11:00,352 --> 01:11:07,456 No need for it to become a story. Well, you'd just got your seat 1041 01:11:07,456 --> 01:11:12,896 Worst thing is, it's a way of keeping people alive. Talking about them 1042 01:11:12,896 --> 01:11:19,032 - And not to have even done him that honour... - For Christ's sake, Diana, it was for you 1043 01:11:19,032 --> 01:11:20,032 What was? 1044 01:11:19,775 --> 01:11:24,631 For once in your life. For once in your life, take responsibility for something, will you? 1045 01:11:24,631 --> 01:11:29,082 Because you think it went well? Your version of looking after? 1046 01:11:29,082 --> 01:11:32,281 All that emotion you shovelled into him? All that encouragement? 1047 01:11:32,281 --> 01:11:35,141 And if we didn't talk about it, if I did have a quiet word with someone... 1048 01:11:35,141 --> 01:11:38,770 ...can you possibly imagine that it might have been for your sake? 1049 01:11:38,770 --> 01:11:39,770 'Died suddenly' 1050 01:11:39,554 --> 01:11:45,214 But this is what you always do, isn't it? You let yourself off the hook. Well, that's enough 1051 01:11:45,214 --> 01:11:49,114 You tell me how dangerous I am. But take a look at yourself 1052 01:11:49,114 --> 01:11:53,739 Everything you've ever done has gone bad. Everything you've ever touched 1053 01:11:53,739 --> 01:11:58,746 No wonder nobody comes near you. Have you ever stopped to ask yourself why that is? 1054 01:11:58,746 --> 01:12:03,821 Because I'm the only person here, aren't I? I'm the only person who comes anywhere near you 1055 01:12:03,821 --> 01:12:07,325 In return for which, I wonder if you might possibly do me the courtesy... 1056 01:12:07,325 --> 01:12:14,200 ...of going and getting your fucking clothes on 1057 01:12:19,565 --> 01:12:21,190 I see 1058 01:12:22,218 --> 01:12:27,418 - I didn't mean... - No, it's good, Robin 1059 01:12:27,418 --> 01:12:32,846 First honest thing you've said to me in fifteen years 1060 01:12:32,846 --> 01:12:35,557 I just want you to get dressed, Di. That's all. The Scotts'll be here in a minute 1061 01:12:35,557 --> 01:12:39,905 That's what you think went wrong? The over-loving mother 1062 01:12:39,905 --> 01:12:42,696 - Sorry? - That's what you were protecting me from 1063 01:12:42,696 --> 01:12:49,736 Please get dressed, Di. Please don't be like this when they come. It's important to me 1064 01:12:49,736 --> 01:12:57,736 I needed to be zipped up. That's why I'm not dressed. Because I needed someone to help me 1065 01:12:57,802 --> 01:13:05,802 Stuck out here on my own. Nobody comes anywhere near me 1066 01:13:11,014 --> 01:13:17,087 You make a choice, Di. The life you want to have 1067 01:13:17,087 --> 01:13:25,087 This is what I chose. This life we had. That we squandered 1068 01:13:26,321 --> 01:13:31,804 I remember standing at the window showing him. When he was a baby 1069 01:13:31,804 --> 01:13:39,804 One day, my boy, all this will be yours. Ridiculous, of course. Half an acre outside Burford 1070 01:13:41,736 --> 01:13:48,611 You wondered why I mind so much about my lawn? 1071 01:13:49,794 --> 01:13:52,210 It's because it was for him 1072 01:13:52,210 --> 01:14:00,210 It's because I was making this perfect wicket for him. Back and forth with the roller 1073 01:14:02,852 --> 01:14:10,043 Perfect cricket pitch. On which I thought I would bowl and bowl and bowl at him, at my son 1074 01:14:10,043 --> 01:14:12,612 I'd go on until the middle of the night, if that was what he wanted 1075 01:14:12,612 --> 01:14:17,234 Always have enough time for him. Opposite of my father 1076 01:14:17,234 --> 01:14:23,691 Only it wasn't what he wanted. Always far away from me. Never friends 1077 01:14:23,691 --> 01:14:26,441 He was sixteen 1078 01:14:27,987 --> 01:14:31,112 He didn't like me 1079 01:14:32,361 --> 01:14:36,230 And the two of you. I did worry about it. You know I did 1080 01:14:36,230 --> 01:14:44,230 All that emotion between you. I did think he needed to be tougher. A bit of armour. I did 1081 01:14:47,266 --> 01:14:49,732 - I'd been out all morning - I'm sorry? 1082 01:14:49,732 --> 01:14:54,164 At lunchtime I came back to the house as I said I would 1083 01:14:54,164 --> 01:14:59,602 - I don't understand - Sunny day, Robin. Cloudless sky 1084 01:14:59,602 --> 01:15:03,305 - That house. Lawn stretching down to the water - You mean... 1085 01:15:03,305 --> 01:15:07,291 I called up the stairs. Tom, I said. I'm home 1086 01:15:07,291 --> 01:15:12,063 No answer. Which was strange. Because normally he would have bounded down to me, wouldn't he? 1087 01:15:12,063 --> 01:15:17,274 It wasn't till I got to the threshold of our room that I saw him 1088 01:15:17,274 --> 01:15:25,274 And now I realise that he looked incredibly beautiful. Heart-stoppingly beautiful 1089 01:15:25,312 --> 01:15:33,216 Our son, standing in the window of our bedroom, the sun pouring in on him 1090 01:15:33,216 --> 01:15:34,565 What do you mean? 1091 01:15:34,565 --> 01:15:40,281 I mean there was nothing sordid about it. I think that's the most important thing for me to say 1092 01:15:40,281 --> 01:15:45,615 - There was something pure about it - I don't understand 1093 01:15:45,615 --> 01:15:52,949 It was my going-away dress from our wedding. That fine grey silk 1094 01:15:52,949 --> 01:15:58,825 My God, I'm so proud of him when I think of the bravery of that moment 1095 01:15:58,825 --> 01:16:04,496 Because I should say before I go on that he knew I was coming back for lunch 1096 01:16:04,496 --> 01:16:12,372 Which means, of course, that this moment was an unveiling. Do you see? 1097 01:16:12,372 --> 01:16:17,192 And for a moment I just stood there not knowing what to do 1098 01:16:17,192 --> 01:16:25,192 Then he held out his hands to me. He held out his hands to me and he said, hello Mum 1099 01:16:28,004 --> 01:16:30,345 So you see, I have to hope that it was the shock 1100 01:16:30,345 --> 01:16:31,827 - I'm sorry? - Panic 1101 01:16:31,827 --> 01:16:36,499 That I'd somehow done this to him. As you always said I would 1102 01:16:36,499 --> 01:16:43,106 All the things that wouldn't be available to him. The children he wouldn't have. Possibly 1103 01:16:43,106 --> 01:16:51,039 Because what I have to confront is the fact that perhaps I was disgusted 1104 01:16:51,039 --> 01:16:59,039 Do you see? Perhaps I was repulsed at the sight of my brilliant boy 1105 01:17:00,491 --> 01:17:08,271 With my rouge on his cheeks and that first hair on his chest and my lipstick on his mouth 1106 01:17:08,271 --> 01:17:10,743 - I don't need to know any more - Oh but you do, Robin 1107 01:17:10,743 --> 01:17:15,229 Because you can see how much faith he had in me in that moment 1108 01:17:15,229 --> 01:17:18,487 And we know what I ought to have said, don't we? 1109 01:17:18,487 --> 01:17:26,487 To my boy. Standing there in my dress. All of his life stretching out ahead of him 1110 01:17:27,001 --> 01:17:35,001 I ought just to have given him a hug and told him I loved him. Told him everything was going to be ok 1111 01:17:35,980 --> 01:17:39,112 - You... - Oh Robin, I didn't say any of those things 1112 01:17:39,112 --> 01:17:41,127 - Not any of them - What happened? 1113 01:17:41,127 --> 01:17:42,633 - I was sick - You were... 1114 01:17:42,633 --> 01:17:50,633 I ran into the bathroom and I was sick. At the sight of my son 1115 01:17:55,402 --> 01:18:00,027 It wasn't that day? It wasn't 1116 01:18:01,009 --> 01:18:05,650 I sat on the stairs, waiting for him to come back 1117 01:18:05,650 --> 01:18:12,869 All afternoon, into the evening. Waiting for him to walk through the door 1118 01:18:12,869 --> 01:18:20,869 It was almost midnight when I heard footsteps on the path. Oh thank God, I thought 1119 01:18:21,194 --> 01:18:27,768 Only of course... Policewoman standing there 1120 01:18:27,768 --> 01:18:35,018 Diana Hesketh? she said. And she took off her hat 1121 01:18:35,662 --> 01:18:41,195 I never got the chance to say sorry. To tell him I loved him 1122 01:18:41,195 --> 01:18:47,695 - So you see, it was my... - Don't say that 1123 01:18:47,747 --> 01:18:51,622 It was. It was my fault 1124 01:19:00,019 --> 01:19:06,753 You should have told me. I wish you'd told me 1125 01:19:06,753 --> 01:19:12,267 - You could have left me if I'd told you - I could have looked after you 1126 01:19:12,267 --> 01:19:18,517 - Oh, don't say that - I could have tried 1127 01:19:18,875 --> 01:19:21,595 And then this week 1128 01:19:21,595 --> 01:19:27,298 Because it would have made a difference. Tell me it would. On Wednesday 1129 01:19:27,298 --> 01:19:35,298 If I'd been brave enough to tell you. If you'd been there to hear 1130 01:19:36,767 --> 01:19:39,770 - I was in Norfolk - I'm sorry? 1131 01:19:39,770 --> 01:19:43,718 That's where I was on Wednesday 1132 01:19:43,718 --> 01:19:50,093 - You were... - Yes. He was my son too, Di 1133 01:19:52,935 --> 01:19:57,435 - You go there? - Sometimes 1134 01:19:58,985 --> 01:20:04,860 - I didn't know - It's been... private 1135 01:20:09,623 --> 01:20:16,248 - So you weren't... - No, of course I wasn't 1136 01:20:16,702 --> 01:20:24,577 There's only ever been you, you stupid woman. Just you 1137 01:20:24,728 --> 01:20:27,103 You and Tom 1138 01:20:43,709 --> 01:20:49,709 Anyway... Scotts'll be here in a minute 1139 01:22:41,238 --> 01:22:43,363 I'm sorry 1140 01:22:45,592 --> 01:22:51,967 He knew, Di. He knew how much you loved him 1141 01:22:57,236 --> 01:23:05,236 We'll take them to the pub. It doesn't matter. It's not important 1142 01:23:07,383 --> 01:23:15,383 She's bringing lunch. Claire. She's made a coronation chicken 1143 01:23:29,019 --> 01:23:31,019 We've... 1144 01:23:39,799 --> 01:23:44,317 He would have thrived. Wouldn't he? 1145 01:23:44,317 --> 01:23:45,317 Yes. Yes, he would 115026

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