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Oh no!
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Unbelievable. Every shitting time
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Leave me alone!
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- They never will, you know
- Diana?
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Whole point about the Furies.
Never let you go
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My God, she's still alive!
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- I know, it's a nightmare
- It's a triumph
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- Still breathing away
- Well done you, darling
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- Still hauling my carcass round the kitchen
- Ah, but what a carcass it is
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- Look at that, ladies and gentlemen, she's still got it
- Do I really?
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Dazzling, Diana!
Age shall not weary her, nor the years condemn
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There we are.
Miss Havisham, eat your heart out
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- Miss what?
- That's the hope, though, is it?
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Get back one weekend
and find me face down in the catmint
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- I can see it must be terribly disappointing
- I'm spending a penny
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Especially when one thinks
of the poor old Health Service
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I can't hear
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Because you're turning them away in droves,
aren't you?
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They're dying in the corridors,
and I can't even catch a bit of shingles
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- You know what I blame?
- Me, I imagine
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- All this fresh air
- You blame...
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But then this is what's so terrifying
about living in the Cotswolds
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One could go on forever
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You know what we need?
If you're ever going to get rid of me?
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A dual carriageway
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- A...?
- An A road. Steady stream of heavy goods vehicles
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Oh I see
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It's your constituency.
You could make it happen, couldn't you?
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Deconsecrate the green belt. Offer up the paddock.
And we know Burford's desperate for a bypass
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- Are you all right?
- I'm not just all right, I'm thriving. This is it
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You're not dressed
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The odd self-inflicted fracture aside,
I'm in relentlessly good health
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It's after eleven.
And you know what day it is
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- I suppose there's always smoking
- I'm sorry?
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How many do you think
one would have to get through a day...
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...to give oneself a really good shot at cancer?
Ten do you think? Twenty?
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- Oh for goodness sake
- No?
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- Don't be disgusting
- No, you're right. Of course you are. Terrible idea
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- Anyway...
- Because it's such an unattractive way to go, isn't it?
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All that hair tufting out in the shower
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There we are.
Vanity prevails yet again
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- Are you going to be like this all day?
- Do you know, I think I am
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Oh good. Excellent. Thrilled I came back
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But then you didn't think
you'd get away with it, did you?
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- Sorry?
- Didn't think you'd get off scot-free
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- What is it?
- I'm just...
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- What?
- No, it's no good
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- What are you doing?
- I was trying to remember why I married you
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And why I still come back like this.
That's the real question
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Because it's hell out there on the roads.
Did you know that?
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And yet every week I flog my way back to you
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The Hangar Lang gyratory, the Oxford bypass,
the horrors of the A40
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My God, why do I put myself through it?
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I don't know, Robin. Guilt, I imagine
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- I'm sorry?
- Well it's either that or the garden
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- Oh don't
- What?
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- It's unbearable
- The guilt?
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- The garden. Don't tell me you haven't noticed?
- Noticed?
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- Oh for goodness sake, Diana. The damage!
- Oh the damage! Oh I see
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- Again
- No, I did notice that, of course I did. I'm so sorry
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- Because it's heartbreaking, isn't it
- Well I think so
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- To see it in that sort of state
- Yes
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- Ravaged like that
- Exactly
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- Decimated. Whole country in tatters
- What?
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And yet for some extraordinary reason
they all keep voting Conservative
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- What's wrong with them?
- Ha ha
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Because you think they'd learn, wouldn't you?
At some point?
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- And I'm always telling them not to vote for you
- Oh, are you?
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- I wander the streets of Witney, telling them
- Oh good
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I accost them in the supermarket.
I say they may talk a good game...
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...but the truth is they're unbelievably dangerous
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- I should know, I say. I'm married to one
- I'm so pleased
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Because if you really stop and look...
this is what I say as I totter the fruit and veg aisle
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...you'll notice that the natural party of government
is in fact unbelievably bad at it
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Yes, I was talking about the garden
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And yet like a battered wife,
they keep coming back to you, don't they?
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- Oh do shut up, Diana
- I tell you, it's the great mystery of our time
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The insatiable desire of the people
of this country to be fucked by an Old Etonian
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- I was talking about the fox
- The fox?
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As you know perfectly well.
Look at my poor lawn. It's like the Somme out there
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- Oh, I see
- No-man's land. Bout of particularly heavy shelling
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Oh, I'm so sorry, Robin. How embarrassing, because
I thought you were talking about the country, you see
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- Yes, all right
- 'This blessed plot'
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- Yes
- 'This England...'
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Oh don't start up again.
I'm not sure I can take any more
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- Go on, I can have one more bash
- No you can't
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- Not even a little...
- No
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No, all right. Wasn't bad though, was it?
This stage in the day
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- It was all right
- Without a warm up
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- It was fine
- Just a sort of... standing jump
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- Sorry?
- Isn't that what it was called?
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No run-up. Both feet together and they just
hurled themselves out into the sandpit
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- The standing jump, Robin
- I don't...
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Of course you do. Oh, come on.
The moments of sporting triumph in our family...
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...have been so few and far between,
you can't possibly have forgotten
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That final sports day at The Dragon
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The kind of summer's day you only get
on the playing fields of an English prep school
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The banks of the Cherwell, the distant sound
of cricket balls, the car parks full of Volvos
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- What are you doing?
- Nostalgia, darling
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Well, don't give me that look. It's more or less
the entire electoral strategy of the Tory Party
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- Oh, she's off again
- And he won a rosette
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- Sorry?
- Didn't he? There we are, you see
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'That is the land of lost content,
I see it shining plain'
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'Those happy highways where I went,
and cannot come again'
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- I suppose there's always AIDS
- I'm sorry?
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- What do you think?
- AIDS?
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Only you said you wanted to catch something.
In the absence of an A road
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And of course it's terribly infectious. That's the real
advantage. Trouble with cancer, it's so hit and miss
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Now who's being disgusting?
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Oh, go on. A bit of intravenous drug use.
Some unprotected sex. You might even enjoy it
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- What? I think it could be rather a good idea
- Do you?
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Really put you on the map.
There's nowhere it can't go, that's how we'd pitch it
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It can reach the very highest houses in the land.
Men and women, rich and poor, young and old
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I think it could be a real public service.
And you know what?
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I bet we could get you a visit from Lady Di
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Because she's mad about them.
We can't keep her out of the AIDS wards
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So many photographers in there,
the nurses can hardly get at the patients
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We could get the Soames' to put a word in.
Bring some press along, it could be your big moment
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And you know what?
You've waited in the wings for long enough
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Is that what I've been doing?
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All these years you've been there
in the background, cheering me on
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- The torrents of support
- Ha!
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- It's your turn to shine
- Thank you, darling
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Well, there we are.
I shall drive you into Cirencester after lunch
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- You're too kind, Robin
- Well, I am
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- Too thoughtful
- No, it's a failing, isn't it?
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It's why the great offices of state have eluded me.
Here I am, cursed with emotional intelligence
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I thought you hadn't made it to the top
because you didn't have the right sort of wife
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- What's that?
- That's what you normally imply
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I'd never dream of implying that
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Poor old Hesketh. That's what they all think, isn't it?
Lumbered with that frightful left-wing woman
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- Nobody thinks that
- Of course they do
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No, they don't think you're left wing, darling.
They think you're highly strung
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- Oh, fuck off
- It's not exactly the same thing
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And I'm not highly strung. I'm profoundly unhappy.
Not exactly the same thing
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- Do you know what's really unbearable?
- I do, actually
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It's beginning to feel like a vendetta
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When it has the entirety
of mainland Britain to choose from
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Because it isn't just my constituency it returns to.
It's my actual garden
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- I'm back on the fox
- Yes
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Do you see? The whole sceptred isle
spreading out around us on every side
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I do
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And if you think of the great open spaces
it could dig up. That's what gets me
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The whole of the Cotswolds are there.
The South Downs
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- Yes
- The Welsh valleys, the Yorkshire Moors
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- No, it's terribly unfair
- The Brecon Beacons
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- Oh my God, he's on a roll
- The Peaks, the Dales
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- That's it
- The Cairngorms
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- You tell 'em!
- The Highlands of Scotland, the playing fields of Eton
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- Ka-pow!
- And yet every week it chooses here
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- That was very good
- I mind about it, Diana
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- I know you do
- And what does it even want, the fox?
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- Want?
- What does it think it's going to find under there?
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Gosh, I don't know, Robin.
Roman coins, do you think?
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- What's that?
- An Anglo-Saxon hoard?
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You don't care at all, do you?
You're probably feeding them
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No I do care, I'm sorry
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Because it's been a labour of enormous love
over all these years
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I know it has
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And if you remember how it was
when we first got here. Great lumpy patch of field
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No, I do remember
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And the hours I spent out there with the roller
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- Back and forth, week after week
- Yes
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- Colonising the paddock
- Yes, I'm agreeing with you
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And every few hours I'd come in
and I'd tell you I was ready for an inspection
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And you'd wander out in your bare feet.
Babe in arms. Very serious, very grave
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I've found a lump, you'd say.
More rolling required
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Yes, all right
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Well there we are, you see.
You never believe me, but we were
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- Were what?
- Happy
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Happy?
No, darling, you're getting confused
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- That was the other one
- The other what?
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The first Mrs De Winter
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Oh lord, you haven't forgotten?
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Jane, she was called.
You remember? Lot of curly hair? Nice smile?
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- Oh don't. She was a very a nice woman
- I know she was
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- To whom I behaved extremely badly
- Well, I know that too
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- What do you mean?
- What do I...? Oh dear, this is awkward
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I was the girl in the hotel, Robin.
I was the bit on the side
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- No!
- I know! Can you bear it?
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It was me,
clattering against the headboard
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- Yes, all right
- Legs in the air
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Well, don't do that face.
That was the high point of it all
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The two-star hotels.
The Berni Inns
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It's been downhill ever since
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We did have fun, I think. At the beginning
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- Fun?
- We made each other laugh
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Oh I adored you, Robin
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Couldn't believe my luck, actually.
That you'd chosen me
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And the rest, as they say, is tragedy
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I don't think that's exactly what they say
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No? Then they should come
and spend the weekend with us
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- Is that still the drill, by the way?
- Sorry?
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- A regional hotel
- What do you mean?
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No, I see the logic. Because one's never going
to run into anyone one knows in Swindon, is one?
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- Swindon?
- Or wherever it is, I don't know. Wolverhampton?
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Because there's something unutterably
lower middle class about them. Towns
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I remember when I told you my parents
lived in Reigate. You were horrified
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And the awful thing is that in our little family
we'd always felt Reigate was rather smart
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I mean, we'd made it out of Dorking
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- What are you talking about, Diana?
- Well, I'm talking about your Wednesdays
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- My Wednesdays?
- Oh don't do coy, darling. You're too old for it
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- I'm genuinely not with you
- Yes, that's rather my point, funnily enough
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Oh, come on. Look at you.
I see that swagger in your step
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- Swagger?
- Swish in your tail. Something must have set that off
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Can't just be the damage you're inflicting
on the most vulnerable in society
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No, I'm afraid there's been a misunderstanding,
darling. Because I think you'll find...
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- ...that I haven't risked a swagger in years
- I'm sorry?
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I tell you, with a lumbar spine like mine,
with discs as herniated as these...
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And as for a swish! My God!
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- No, there's no need to panic
- I'm not panicking
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Honestly, the squandering of my affections
is the least of our worries
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Your affections?
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Pales into insignificance
alongside the Local Government Act
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Diana, I haven't been on the receiving end of your
affections since some time during the Falklands
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Oh, I see.
That's how you're going to play it
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- Poor old Robin
- I'm not playing anything
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Only I'm not sure you can pin that one on me,
actually. Dereliction of wifely duty
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If you recall what happened
the last time I essayed that particular peak
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- When?
- If I remember rightly...
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I got hold of the remote control,
turned off Newsnight and edged my way...
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...with what I thought was no small amount
of allure over to your side of the bed
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- Allure!
- You had a peer under the duvet
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You've got no clothes on, you said.
I said, I know
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- Aghast, that's how you looked
- Oh, come on
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You did. You looked at me and you said
'You're not getting Alzheimer's, are you?'
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I did not
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'First you left that courgette in the knife drawer,
and now this'
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Oh no. I do remember the courgette,
it was tucked away with the bread knife
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There we are, you see
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Forcing myself for a moment to recall
the details of the night in question...
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- I'm sorry?
- Forcing myself, your honour...
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...to revisit the whole painful episode,
I feel bound to say that I was overcome
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- Overcome, were you?
- To state the case for the defence...
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- ...it was the gin fumes wot did it
- Oh don't start that up
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Because I'm afraid it's like being downwind
of the bottle bank when my wife clambers into bed
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That's the truth, your worship
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I'm afraid this 'allure' smells like a marquee
the morning after a wedding
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Yes, all right
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- Speaking of which...
- What?
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- Holy shit!
- What?
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Look at that!
My darling, your liver is a thing of wonder
243
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And the Dubonnet too.
My God, Dennis Thatcher has nothing on you
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'Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair'
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That's it. I thought you said you didn't
need to drink when I wasn't here
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Sometimes just the thought of you is enough
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I shall have to do something with it when you die
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One of the great wonders of medical science.
Preserve it for the nation
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I imagine one of the teaching hospitals would take it,
don't you? I could do an endowment to go with it
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- You're still going, are you?
- One for the lush fund, I shall call it
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- Oh my God, you are
- I shall get a little plaque made
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Here lies the liver of Diana Hesketh, it will say.
Ginorously donated
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- Yes, you've done that now
- Oh go on. I can have one more bash
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- No you can't
- No, all right
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- Wasn't bad, though, was it?
- It was fine
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- Without a run-up
- Sorry?
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- This stage in the day
- That's it!
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- That's what?
- Oh, I'm so pleased
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- What are you doing?
- You do remember the standing jump
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- I'm sorry?
- I knew you would
261
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Oh that's really made my day, Robin.
It felt too awful that you could have forgotten
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Particularly because I remember you being
so pleased at the time that he'd won something
263
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It was called the standing jump, wasn't it?
I'm not making that up?
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Both feet together and they just
threw themselves out into the sandpit
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- But you know what?
- What are you doing?
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- We had a cine film of it
- Sorry?
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Didn't we?
Of the sports day. We did
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Prize-giving ceremony. Tom cartwheeling about
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You remember? Well, of course you do
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You always loved those sports days.
You used to get quite misty-eyed about them
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But then, it was rather moving.
All those boys in their cricket whites
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The ruling class being formed before one's very eyes
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Because a sense of entitlement isn't something
one's born with. No. It must be instilled in a chap
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I'm not sure I'm necessarily in the mood for this
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Now, let's think... It would have been '68.
Is that right? Last year at the Dragon?
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Oh, that's rather good. Our summer of love
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Don't do that face. I kept thinking that
this week, you know. As I watched it all unfold
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- That we don't look back enough
- Watched what unfold?
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There it is! I knew we had one.
'1968. Dragon Sports Day'
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Look at that, it's on the same reel as that hustings
you did in Wallingford. So you'll enjoy that at least
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Now listen, I'll find the projector,
you close the curtains
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What are you doing, Diana?
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Do you remember those hustings?
And the tea afterwards. That was the worst bit
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You'd go off with the men
and I'd have to sit with the wives...
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...and tell them how marvellous you were.
In my little hat
286
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You know what they wanted to hear? Those awful
women? That you didn't know how to boil an egg
287
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- You've been cooped up all week, have you?
- Sorry?
288
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Not enough excitements?
Because this is quite a performance
289
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Actually I've had a rather busy week
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00:19:56,743 --> 00:19:58,782
- Busy?
- One way and another
291
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Good lord, you haven't been moving the cushions
round on the sofa again have you?
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Here it is
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- You're not really doing this
- Oh, go on
294
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And I was still in my adoring phase then, wasn't I?
1968
295
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Nodding up at you in all those village halls,
clapping in all the right places
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- There was an adoring phase, was there?
- I was very good in the beginning
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All those headscarves I wore.
The twin-sets. The casual racism
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Best supporting wife
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Although you didn't actually vote for me, I don't think
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- Of course I did
- No, go on. You can tell me in the privacy of the booth
301
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I kept on voting for you for years, Robin
302
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But then in my defence,
you do all look like you know what you're doing
303
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- Sorry?
- That's the trouble with the class system
304
00:20:54,896 --> 00:21:02,731
So easy to mistake an expensive education
for an actual understanding of the world
305
00:21:02,731 --> 00:21:06,168
Yes, you couldn't rekindle it, could you?
Just for the day?
306
00:21:06,168 --> 00:21:09,413
- Rekindle?
- The early nodding. Just in front of our friends
307
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What do you think?
I'm not asking for the full Norma Major
308
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I'm thinking more a sort of... Tintern Abbey feel.
We may be ruined, but we're still standing
309
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Present something more or less intact
to the outside world
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Try not to get downwind of the sherry
too early on in proceedings?
311
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There'd be no need
to listen to what I was saying
312
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That would be the trick.
Just nod along with me occasionally
313
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That's how my mother dealt with my father
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'Yes, darling', she'd say every three or four minutes.
'Quite right.' Little nod
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00:21:37,741 --> 00:21:42,445
And that's what you'd like us to aim for, is it?
Your parents?
316
00:21:42,445 --> 00:21:44,788
- Well, it worked pretty well for them
- Huh!
317
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You laugh, but they were married for sixty years.
They must have got something right
318
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- Oh my God
- What?
319
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You're not joking, are you
320
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Why? I think they had a pretty successful marriage.
Didn't they? On the whole
321
00:21:56,773 --> 00:22:03,821
Robin, your father had a mistress
and two children in Hemel Hempstead
322
00:22:03,821 --> 00:22:08,331
- Oh, that
- He had an entire second life running in parallel
323
00:22:08,331 --> 00:22:12,708
- Of course he didn't. Honestly
- What would you call them, then?
324
00:22:12,708 --> 00:22:19,583
- Well, it was a different time
- It was 1962
325
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The point is, it worked for them
326
00:22:22,006 --> 00:22:30,006
No, darling, it worked for him.
I realise that's an incredibly nuanced distinction
327
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Oh Christ, I bet he did them on a Wednesday too
328
00:22:33,832 --> 00:22:35,803
- They were happier than we are
- I'm sorry?
329
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My parents.
Before you go on any more
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- You don't think your mother was happy?
- Of course I do
331
00:22:42,299 --> 00:22:44,638
- Oh, Robin
- What?
332
00:22:44,638 --> 00:22:47,630
- Did you ever try to give her a cuddle?
- Mummy?
333
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No, of course you didn't.
I tried it once
334
00:22:51,296 --> 00:22:57,041
- Well, she wasn't touchy-feely
- She was barely functioning as a human being
335
00:22:57,041 --> 00:23:02,058
No, you see, this is it.
You think everyone is like you. Psychological
336
00:23:02,058 --> 00:23:05,194
The fact is, it's perfectly possible
not to get bogged down in all that
337
00:23:05,194 --> 00:23:07,786
Darling, you have a half-brother I've never met
338
00:23:07,786 --> 00:23:11,833
The point is, one can choose
not to become a victim of these things
339
00:23:11,833 --> 00:23:15,817
- Yes, it's called denial
- No
340
00:23:15,817 --> 00:23:19,227
But then I'm sensing
they didn't teach you Freud at Eton
341
00:23:19,227 --> 00:23:21,616
What would you have preferred?
A full nervous breakdown?
342
00:23:21,616 --> 00:23:24,642
- Sorry?
- Or would a light depression have done it?
343
00:23:24,642 --> 00:23:29,737
I tell you, this the great mistake. This idea
that one ought to excavate all one's problems
344
00:23:29,737 --> 00:23:32,710
All these people spending
the productive parts of their day...
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...lying on a sofa in North London
talking about their childhood
346
00:23:36,402 --> 00:23:39,937
- You think it's self-indulgent?
- I think it's self-sabotage
347
00:23:39,937 --> 00:23:46,537
This lifting up the bonnet and peering at the engine
all the time. Just get in the car and drive
348
00:23:46,537 --> 00:23:48,643
- Get in the car and drive?
- Look outwards
349
00:23:48,643 --> 00:23:51,887
But I thought you said it was a nightmare
out there on the roads
350
00:23:51,887 --> 00:23:52,887
What?
351
00:23:52,544 --> 00:23:56,210
Fighting your way through
the Hangar Lane gyratory every weekend
352
00:23:56,210 --> 00:24:02,417
I'm not being obtuse, Diana. I'm saying that in my
experience of life the trick is to do something
353
00:24:02,417 --> 00:24:06,838
It doesn't even really matter what it is. Just pick
something and do it to the best of your ability
354
00:24:06,838 --> 00:24:12,510
Derive a sense of satisfaction from one's
accomplishments rather than one's identity
355
00:24:12,510 --> 00:24:14,315
And do you know why?
Because it's dangerous, actually
356
00:24:14,315 --> 00:24:18,835
This fixating on your problems.
This obsession with working out who you are
357
00:24:18,835 --> 00:24:20,944
- Dangerous?
- Frightening. It is
358
00:24:20,944 --> 00:24:22,939
You never know what you might find in there
359
00:24:22,939 --> 00:24:28,643
No, you know what's frightening? The fact
that you lot are in charge of the nation's children
360
00:24:28,643 --> 00:24:34,208
But then, this is what I feel
I need to tell people, you see
361
00:24:34,208 --> 00:24:38,838
Oh, for goodness sake!
I am not going to watch a wretched cine film
362
00:24:38,838 --> 00:24:41,719
No, stop! I've let you go on like this
all morning but that's enough
363
00:24:41,719 --> 00:24:44,887
More than enough. You're behaving appallingly
364
00:24:44,887 --> 00:24:48,894
Look at all this mess, honestly.
Wretched woman. Put it all back in the box
365
00:24:48,894 --> 00:24:50,739
- Put it back in the box?
- Yes
366
00:24:50,739 --> 00:24:52,228
- Oh, darling
- What?
367
00:24:52,228 --> 00:24:55,943
I mean, I know we don't believe in Freud...
368
00:24:55,943 --> 00:24:58,397
One day I just won't come back, you know
369
00:24:58,397 --> 00:24:59,743
- Sorry?
- One weekend
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00:24:59,743 --> 00:25:07,743
I won't turn off at Burford. I'll keep on driving.
I will. On past Cheltenham. Hereford. Aberystwyth
371
00:25:08,990 --> 00:25:11,602
I could do it, you know. Leave you sitting here
372
00:25:11,602 --> 00:25:15,670
I suppose the foxes would get in eventually,
wouldn't they? Tunnel under the house
373
00:25:15,670 --> 00:25:21,561
Come up through the floorboards.
If the gin hadn't got you first
374
00:25:21,561 --> 00:25:27,962
But then this is why you can't trust the philistines
to run the country. It's because you don't read
375
00:25:27,962 --> 00:25:31,294
- What's that?
- Go on. When did you last read a novel?
376
00:25:31,294 --> 00:25:36,090
A novel? Really?
Er... I read that Jeffrey Archer over Easter
377
00:25:36,090 --> 00:25:39,933
- Jeffrey Archer doesn't count
- I'll tell him you said that
378
00:25:39,933 --> 00:25:44,326
Because you think it's a waste of time,
don't you. Fiction
379
00:25:44,326 --> 00:25:49,679
When there are all those biographies of Churchill
you could be reading. Histories of the Second World War
380
00:25:49,679 --> 00:25:53,352
- Well...
- But you know what it does? Fiction?
381
00:25:53,352 --> 00:25:56,029
- It gives you a pattern. Do you see?
- Not really, no
382
00:25:56,029 --> 00:25:58,203
Cause and effect, Robin
383
00:25:58,203 --> 00:25:59,978
I'm making some coffee over here
384
00:25:59,978 --> 00:26:02,349
- I'll do you a reading list
- Would you like one?
385
00:26:02,349 --> 00:26:05,713
That's the answer.
You could hand them out at cabinet
386
00:26:05,713 --> 00:26:08,497
- A bit of Margaret Drabble
- Oh good idea, yes
387
00:26:08,497 --> 00:26:10,340
- Doris Lessing
- Excellent
388
00:26:10,340 --> 00:26:14,676
Slip Virginia Woolf into Margaret's red box.
That'll shake her up
389
00:26:14,676 --> 00:26:16,789
- What do you think?
- I think she'd love it
390
00:26:16,789 --> 00:26:20,571
Because it does require imagination, actually.
Government
391
00:26:20,571 --> 00:26:22,788
No, I think it's a terrific idea
392
00:26:22,788 --> 00:26:25,685
Otherwise it's too easy
to let yourselves off the hook, isn't it
393
00:26:25,685 --> 00:26:27,897
We could start a book club. Everyone'll be thrilled
394
00:26:27,897 --> 00:26:31,250
- Or you could take them to the theatre
- What?
395
00:26:31,250 --> 00:26:36,706
If you don't think they could manage a novel.
Maybe that's the answer. Cabinet outing
396
00:26:36,706 --> 00:26:39,279
Oh God, not the theatre
397
00:26:39,279 --> 00:26:47,279
Take Margaret to Hedda Gabler.
Could change the whole course of British history
398
00:26:48,100 --> 00:26:51,744
I'll tell you why we don't read novels,
why we don't go to your plays
399
00:26:51,744 --> 00:26:56,327
Because they are full of people
attempting to understand themselves
400
00:26:56,327 --> 00:26:58,078
Yes they are, that's the point
401
00:26:58,078 --> 00:27:01,707
- People with a fine appreciation of beauty
- What?
402
00:27:01,707 --> 00:27:06,834
People with a vivid emotional life.
Because it's never people with jobs, is it?
403
00:27:06,834 --> 00:27:12,096
Never people making roads, building companies,
paying tax, in these appalling plays you've taken me to
404
00:27:12,096 --> 00:27:18,230
No, it's always people who in real life contribute
the absolute least who get all the sympathy
405
00:27:18,230 --> 00:27:20,771
It's always the neurasthenic daughters, isn't it?
406
00:27:20,771 --> 00:27:24,901
- The artistic sons, the women
- I'm sorry?
407
00:27:24,901 --> 00:27:28,150
- That's always where the sympathy resides
- Oh, my God
408
00:27:28,150 --> 00:27:32,921
- And the sneer that comes with it! The superiority!
- The women?
409
00:27:32,921 --> 00:27:38,890
Oh I meet them. These liberal arts people
with their jumpers and their beards
410
00:27:38,890 --> 00:27:43,782
And their profound moments of epiphany,
who don't have a clue about running the country
411
00:27:43,782 --> 00:27:47,881
And yet somehow because they've just read
the latest Ian McKellen novel...
412
00:27:47,881 --> 00:27:51,508
...they think they can look down on those of us
who are doing these appalling, oppressive things
413
00:27:51,508 --> 00:27:54,211
Like worrying about employment figures
and exchange rates
414
00:27:54,211 --> 00:27:56,814
And whether the pension funds
have any bloody money in them
415
00:27:56,814 --> 00:27:58,640
- I think you mean...
- No, you listen to me
416
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:02,647
You think your culture makes people empathetic,
don't you? Open minded
417
00:28:02,647 --> 00:28:06,197
Well let me tell you, there is no group of people
more narrow minded...
418
00:28:06,197 --> 00:28:11,779
...than you book readers. You theatre goers.
Appalling people
419
00:28:11,779 --> 00:28:15,801
You try being a member of Margaret Thatcher's
government and standing in the foyer of a theatre...
420
00:28:15,801 --> 00:28:20,813
...if you want to talk about prejudice.
If you want to talk about a lack of empathy
421
00:28:20,813 --> 00:28:24,438
- Ian McEwan
- What?
422
00:28:24,980 --> 00:28:28,686
As opposed... oh, doesn't matter
423
00:28:28,686 --> 00:28:32,099
Look at this week.
These frightful people attacking the newsreaders
424
00:28:32,099 --> 00:28:34,485
Disrupting the business of the House of Lords
425
00:28:34,485 --> 00:28:37,407
If you're talking about the passing of
the Local Government Act...
426
00:28:37,407 --> 00:28:41,021
...which I think in your own inimitable way, you are
427
00:28:41,021 --> 00:28:43,037
Did you see how they behaved?
It's too much
428
00:28:43,037 --> 00:28:46,812
The derangement of these people on the left.
The feeling they have...
429
00:28:46,812 --> 00:28:51,399
...that the people who disagree with them
are not only wrong, but actually malevolent
430
00:28:51,399 --> 00:28:52,526
The result of which, of course...
431
00:28:52,526 --> 00:28:56,911
...is that they are unable to engage
with questions of policy in any reasonable way
432
00:28:56,911 --> 00:29:03,137
Because you know what it is? This Section 28 they're
all up in arms about? It's a safeguarding measure
433
00:29:03,137 --> 00:29:07,410
No, Robin, it's not a safeguarding measure.
It's a deterrent
434
00:29:07,410 --> 00:29:12,803
Have you seen the books
these councils are putting into schools?
435
00:29:12,803 --> 00:29:20,286
Young Gay and Proud. Honestly!
Jenny Lives With Eric and Martin
436
00:29:20,286 --> 00:29:21,897
They're maniacal, these people
437
00:29:21,897 --> 00:29:28,040
They won't rest until we're all homosexual
or black or at the very least disabled
438
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:35,185
I tell you, in twenty years time one won't be allowed
to be a white heterosexual male. It'll be illegal
439
00:29:35,185 --> 00:29:37,685
One can hope
440
00:29:39,602 --> 00:29:43,165
And do you think that the religious parents
in my constituency...
441
00:29:43,165 --> 00:29:47,050
...want their children being taught about gay sex?
Of course not
442
00:29:47,050 --> 00:29:50,642
And I hate to tell you,
but I'm afraid I have to represent them too
443
00:29:50,642 --> 00:29:54,432
- You're worried it might catch on, are you?
- Sorry?
444
00:29:54,432 --> 00:29:56,095
One positive word from the headmaster...
445
00:29:56,095 --> 00:30:00,315
...and the entire sixth form'll have their hands
down each others trousers
446
00:30:00,315 --> 00:30:01,315
No...
447
00:30:01,085 --> 00:30:05,871
But then this is the great anxiety of you
public school boys, isn't it?
448
00:30:05,871 --> 00:30:10,581
That you might all be queer if you're not careful
449
00:30:10,581 --> 00:30:15,368
- It's an incredibly delicate thing, childhood
- Yes, it is
450
00:30:15,368 --> 00:30:19,237
You can't go around telling children
they can be whatever they want to be in life
451
00:30:19,237 --> 00:30:26,573
Do whatever they want.
Honestly. This isn't America
452
00:30:26,573 --> 00:30:31,672
Look at you.
There's no inner life in there at all, is there?
453
00:30:31,672 --> 00:30:36,256
Not much, darling, no.
You'll find as a Conservative it's easier that way
454
00:30:36,256 --> 00:30:41,840
Enables one to trample more cheerfully on the poor
and needy. Eviscerate the public services
455
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,878
But then I suppose that's always been your template,
hasn't it?
456
00:30:44,878 --> 00:30:48,765
- Sorry?
- Don't mention it and it doesn't exist
457
00:30:48,765 --> 00:30:53,685
I remember the first time I saw it in action.
That first summer with your mother
458
00:30:53,685 --> 00:30:57,451
Well, it was my first exposure to the upper class
459
00:30:57,451 --> 00:31:02,707
My God, I'd never seen
so much well-dressed unhappiness
460
00:31:02,707 --> 00:31:08,397
Because there wasn't just one elephant
in the room. There were herds of them
461
00:31:08,397 --> 00:31:12,090
The illegitimate child, the unmentionable sister
462
00:31:12,090 --> 00:31:16,730
The sheer volume of heroin addiction
among the nephews and nieces
463
00:31:16,730 --> 00:31:20,727
- And none of them so much as mentioned
- Your coffee's on the table when you're finished
464
00:31:20,727 --> 00:31:28,727
And she wasn't a heroin addict, Arabella.
She was at art school
465
00:31:29,688 --> 00:31:32,377
She was here when we got back
from the hospital
466
00:31:32,377 --> 00:31:37,192
Do you remember? Your mother.
Inspecting the longed-for grandson
467
00:31:37,192 --> 00:31:38,304
Your coffee's on the table
468
00:31:38,304 --> 00:31:41,605
And we all came and sat in here
and I had him in my arms
469
00:31:41,605 --> 00:31:43,672
- It'll get cold
- And I was kissing him...
470
00:31:43,672 --> 00:31:47,618
...and telling him how much I loved him
and how beautiful he was
471
00:31:47,618 --> 00:31:53,137
And he was making those little dinosaur noises
he made at the beginning
472
00:31:53,137 --> 00:32:00,997
And it all felt so right and wonderful.
And then I looked up, and there was your mother
473
00:32:00,997 --> 00:32:06,619
She was watching me,
and she had this tight little smile on her face
474
00:32:06,619 --> 00:32:12,003
You're very affectionate with him, aren't you,
she said. It's very sweet
475
00:32:12,003 --> 00:32:16,466
- Well, she wasn't sentimental
- And I had this awful feeling, suddenly. In my chest
476
00:32:16,466 --> 00:32:22,508
Oh my God, it's going to be another thing
I get wrong, isn't it? Motherhood
477
00:32:22,508 --> 00:32:26,115
- It was about molly-coddling
- It'll all end in tears
478
00:32:26,115 --> 00:32:29,461
That's what she used to say to me.
Did you know that?
479
00:32:29,461 --> 00:32:35,192
When nobody else could hear. She'd say it
under her breath as she was walking past me
480
00:32:35,192 --> 00:32:40,746
All end in tears. Such a lovely woman
481
00:32:40,746 --> 00:32:44,533
- Stop it, Di
- But then she wasn't wrong, was she?
482
00:32:44,533 --> 00:32:47,235
I said stop. You're determined to have a fight,
and I'm not going to do it
483
00:32:47,235 --> 00:32:48,235
- No?
- I refuse
484
00:32:48,172 --> 00:32:49,427
- Oh that's too bad
- Isn't it
485
00:32:49,427 --> 00:32:51,565
- Because I'm afraid we're already under way
- Sorry?
486
00:32:51,565 --> 00:32:59,565
I know. Show's already started, darling.
And you know the worst thing? There's no interval
487
00:33:00,355 --> 00:33:04,519
For shit's sake, Diana, will you be nice to me?
It's my birthday
488
00:33:04,519 --> 00:33:11,020
It's your... Oh my God it is!
Well, that snuck up on us
489
00:33:11,020 --> 00:33:14,003
I accept that we are beyond mawkish devotion
490
00:33:14,003 --> 00:33:17,972
But I wonder if you might try
not to be on your most monstrous form
491
00:33:17,972 --> 00:33:19,497
- Me?
- Given the circs
492
00:33:19,497 --> 00:33:23,143
You think it's me on monstrous form?
After the week you've had?
493
00:33:23,143 --> 00:33:26,822
Please! We could do Christmas Day
on the Somme, couldn't we?
494
00:33:26,822 --> 00:33:31,297
Emerge from our trenches.
Stumble towards one another across the mud
495
00:33:31,297 --> 00:33:38,080
Oh go on. Just for the day.
I'll even be the Germans if you like
496
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:44,830
Stille Nacht, heilige Nacht!
Alles schläft...
497
00:33:51,855 --> 00:33:57,054
I often think, I've often thought,
that we shouldn't have stopped doing a tree
498
00:33:57,054 --> 00:33:59,623
At Christmas. That that was a mistake
499
00:33:59,623 --> 00:34:04,538
I don't want a fight, Robin.
I want to be terribly calm about it
500
00:34:04,538 --> 00:34:06,826
- About?
- Because I'm aware that if an argument is made...
501
00:34:06,826 --> 00:34:11,901
...in emotional terms, and particularly
if that argument is made by a woman...
502
00:34:11,901 --> 00:34:15,553
...then you're spared the obligation
of engaging with it, aren't you?
503
00:34:15,553 --> 00:34:20,666
Well, that's what you said about those women
chaining themselves to Sue Lawley's desk
504
00:34:20,666 --> 00:34:23,697
- You can write them off as hysterical
- That's not what I said about them
505
00:34:23,697 --> 00:34:26,406
- Furious lesbians
- You mean?
506
00:34:26,406 --> 00:34:30,758
I mean this week's catastrophes, darling.
Enshrined into law...
507
00:34:30,758 --> 00:34:37,170
...by the men and women of the Conservative Party
in the year of Our Lord 1988
508
00:34:37,170 --> 00:34:43,077
- Here we go
- We'll start with acceptability, I think
509
00:34:43,077 --> 00:34:48,538
'The local authority shall not promote
the acceptability of homosexuality'
510
00:34:48,538 --> 00:34:52,321
- Don't get yourself into a state, darling
- I'm not getting myself into a state
511
00:34:52,321 --> 00:34:55,136
The fact is, it's a very specific piece of legislation...
512
00:34:55,136 --> 00:34:59,412
...designed to protect children
at a particularly vulnerable stage of their lives
513
00:34:59,412 --> 00:35:05,822
Oh no, Robin, no. It's a very specific piece
of legislation designed to cement the support...
514
00:35:05,822 --> 00:35:11,583
...of the seventy-five percent of the British electorate
who think that homosexuality is morally wrong
515
00:35:11,583 --> 00:35:12,583
No
516
00:35:12,175 --> 00:35:14,774
But then this is the great talent
of the Right, isn't it?
517
00:35:14,774 --> 00:35:20,736
The ability to disguise craven electoral self-interest
as the taking of a moral stand
518
00:35:20,736 --> 00:35:23,157
- Yes, I'm afraid it was in the manifesto
- I'm sorry?
519
00:35:23,157 --> 00:35:27,456
I know. Isn't that a bore. Blame the
British people, darling. They voted for us
520
00:35:27,456 --> 00:35:34,367
Oh, I do blame the British people.
Look at them! They're a total liability
521
00:35:34,367 --> 00:35:38,732
- Can't be trusted with anything important
- Terrible habit of getting it wrong?
522
00:35:38,732 --> 00:35:42,135
Of course they do when you lot are out there,
pandering to their worst instincts
523
00:35:42,135 --> 00:35:47,206
Oh I know. We are simply awful, aren't we.
Catching the mood of the electorate like that
524
00:35:47,206 --> 00:35:50,616
You don't catch the mood of the electorate.
You create it
525
00:35:50,616 --> 00:35:51,780
Is that right?
526
00:35:51,780 --> 00:35:56,711
You teach them what to want. And then you promise
to give it to them. You. Your newspapers
527
00:35:56,711 --> 00:36:01,087
Oh my God, it's like spending the day
with Noam Chomsky
528
00:36:01,087 --> 00:36:05,275
Because your words matter, Robin.
You people in politics
529
00:36:05,275 --> 00:36:07,458
Mine don't. Mine just evaporate
530
00:36:07,458 --> 00:36:13,022
But your words have weight, Robin.
So when you say that a person is unacceptable...
531
00:36:13,022 --> 00:36:17,422
Oh dear, no, I'm afraid if you want to blame someone,
you're going to have to blame the Labour Party
532
00:36:17,422 --> 00:36:18,622
- Sorry?
- It's all their fault
533
00:36:18,622 --> 00:36:19,622
The Labour Party?
534
00:36:19,610 --> 00:36:22,995
If they will keep choosing the most unappealing
people possible as their leaders...
535
00:36:22,995 --> 00:36:27,811
...then this is what is going to happen.
We're going to be in power for ever
536
00:36:27,811 --> 00:36:30,002
Don't change the subject
537
00:36:30,002 --> 00:36:35,570
We look at them across the dispatch box
and we can't believe our luck
538
00:36:35,570 --> 00:36:41,730
The succession of badly dressed
geography teachers they march out in front of us
539
00:36:41,730 --> 00:36:47,663
Neil Kinnock, Michael Foot.
It's one absolute gift after another
540
00:36:47,663 --> 00:36:52,788
You make people feel that something is under attack.
The Falkland Islands, the family...
541
00:36:52,788 --> 00:36:56,746
- The Falklands were under attack
- The trouble with this is there has to be an enemy
542
00:36:56,746 --> 00:37:01,087
- They landed at Port Stanley
- A group against which you turn people
543
00:37:01,087 --> 00:37:06,444
Oh dear, no, I see what's happened.
You've been at The Guardian again, haven't you?
544
00:37:06,444 --> 00:37:10,529
We've talked about this, Diana.
It's terribly dangerous
545
00:37:10,529 --> 00:37:13,777
It's why I keep telling them in the village shop
not to sell it to you
546
00:37:13,777 --> 00:37:19,581
Terrifying combination of righteous indignation
and typographical inaccuracy
547
00:37:19,581 --> 00:37:22,212
No, you know what's dangerous, Robin?
548
00:37:22,212 --> 00:37:26,645
No, darling, I'm sorry, I'm not going to do it.
I mean it
549
00:37:26,645 --> 00:37:31,725
I used to be willing to put up with these rows
when they were a necessary part of our sex life
550
00:37:31,725 --> 00:37:37,421
But I'm afraid the appeal of debating the issues of
the day with you has abated somewhat of late
551
00:37:37,421 --> 00:37:40,736
- Oh my God, unless that's what's going on here?
- Sorry?
552
00:37:40,736 --> 00:37:43,459
She's not going to get her allure out again? Is she?
553
00:37:43,459 --> 00:37:47,007
Holy shit, she is!
That's why you're still in your nightie
554
00:37:47,007 --> 00:37:50,390
You were thinking we might rekindle
the dying embers, were you?
555
00:37:50,390 --> 00:37:54,072
- Bring the conjugal soot pan back to life?
- Pathetic
556
00:37:54,072 --> 00:37:57,295
And why not? We used to be
quite good at it, didn't we? Back in the day
557
00:37:57,295 --> 00:38:00,608
Get some cod liver oil in me,
who knows what I'll be capable of
558
00:38:00,608 --> 00:38:03,560
A spoonful of malt.
I shall be ravishing you on the stairs
559
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:07,409
- What do you say?
- I say you want to be careful, Robin
560
00:38:07,409 --> 00:38:11,487
Because one can feel quite destructive, you see.
Watching you all in action
561
00:38:11,487 --> 00:38:16,328
And I keep having this thought that perhaps
I've got a duty to do something about it
562
00:38:16,328 --> 00:38:19,156
- Blow the whistle, as it were
- Blow what whistle?
563
00:38:19,156 --> 00:38:22,565
Because you know
who I keep thinking about this week?
564
00:38:22,565 --> 00:38:29,132
When I hear you talking about
other people's children?
565
00:38:29,132 --> 00:38:31,797
- Carol
- Carol? As in...?
566
00:38:31,797 --> 00:38:32,969
- Thatcher
- Right
567
00:38:32,969 --> 00:38:35,930
- Because that can't be easy. Can it?
- You mean...
568
00:38:35,930 --> 00:38:38,282
I mean, do you think she ever manages...
569
00:38:38,282 --> 00:38:42,954
...to stroke Carol on the cheek
and tell her she's wonderful? Margaret?
570
00:38:42,954 --> 00:38:48,572
'Come here, you great silly thing.
Come here, my beautiful girl'
571
00:38:48,572 --> 00:38:50,950
Do you think she can ever muster
that kind of tenderness?
572
00:38:50,950 --> 00:38:54,617
- I shouldn't think that's her forte somehow
- Come to Mummy
573
00:38:54,617 --> 00:38:57,183
I tell you, if I see her at conference
I'm going to do it
574
00:38:57,183 --> 00:38:58,183
I don't understand
575
00:38:57,943 --> 00:39:02,055
I'm going to stride right up there
onto the podium and give her a cuddle
576
00:39:02,055 --> 00:39:07,345
- Oh lord, oh Di, I can't bear it for you
- Sorry?
577
00:39:07,345 --> 00:39:08,533
- Come on
- What are you doing?
578
00:39:08,533 --> 00:39:12,505
You've gone potty, darling. Since last weekend.
I knew something was wrong
579
00:39:12,505 --> 00:39:16,363
- It's why I keep telling you to do the crossword
- I haven't gone potty, Robin
580
00:39:16,363 --> 00:39:19,558
- You haven't?
- Still grimly lucid, I'm afraid
581
00:39:19,558 --> 00:39:24,213
You're quite sure? Because you know,
I'd have to take you down to the vet's if you had
582
00:39:24,213 --> 00:39:25,213
Oh, would you?
583
00:39:25,195 --> 00:39:28,570
Only humane thing to do in the circs.
Coming on top of the gammy hip
584
00:39:28,570 --> 00:39:31,790
But listen, they're very good at it these days.
Hardly feel a thing, apparently
585
00:39:31,790 --> 00:39:34,513
- You know, I think I'm rather touched by that
- I'm sorry?
586
00:39:34,513 --> 00:39:41,322
I am. Because it's surprisingly hard
to accomplish on one's own, isn't it?
587
00:39:41,322 --> 00:39:46,329
As they all kept saying at Christmas,
if the stairs had been one flight longer...
588
00:39:46,329 --> 00:39:48,903
- Don't!
- Or if we hadn't put that wretched runner in
589
00:39:48,903 --> 00:39:50,358
Please don't start that up again
590
00:39:50,358 --> 00:39:53,657
It's the self-protective reflex.
The hands just shoot out
591
00:39:53,657 --> 00:39:57,369
Please, Di! I heard you doing this at that dinner
last weekend. Buffy didn't know where to look
592
00:39:57,369 --> 00:40:00,789
- Yes, it was wonderful
- It was extremely embarrassing
593
00:40:00,789 --> 00:40:06,303
Have a heart. It's one of the few remaining pleasures,
frightening the wives
594
00:40:06,303 --> 00:40:11,327
I mean it. People will believe you. It'll end up in the
papers. Even Ken asked afterwards if it was true
595
00:40:11,327 --> 00:40:13,705
- And what did you say?
- I said don't believe a word of it
596
00:40:13,705 --> 00:40:19,101
She's only after the attention. Truth is, I said,
it was nothing more glamorous than a drunken stumble
597
00:40:19,101 --> 00:40:22,664
- You didn't!
- Mid-morning sherry. Arse over tit
598
00:40:22,664 --> 00:40:25,975
You're always undermining me. It's very unkind
599
00:40:25,975 --> 00:40:30,607
No, I'm terribly generous to you, actually.
When you're out of earshot
600
00:40:30,607 --> 00:40:33,943
I tell them she only behaves appallingly
because she's unfulfilled
601
00:40:33,943 --> 00:40:37,997
Forgive her, I say, for she's squandered herself
on the herbaceous border
602
00:40:37,997 --> 00:40:42,800
When she ought to have been someone dazzling
603
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:46,664
- You don't say that
- I do
604
00:40:46,664 --> 00:40:51,210
No wonder she drinks like a minor royal, I say
605
00:40:51,210 --> 00:40:55,235
There you are, you see? I can do your psychology
if I have to. Even without the novels
606
00:40:55,235 --> 00:40:59,803
Poor old Di, I say.
She's wasted down here in the country
607
00:40:59,803 --> 00:41:04,210
I mean, knowing your gin intake,
you'd be wasted up in London too
608
00:41:04,210 --> 00:41:11,042
They did ask, you know. In the hospital at Christmas.
Any history of it in the family?
609
00:41:11,042 --> 00:41:16,245
Because apparently it can be passed down.
Like a weak chin
610
00:41:16,245 --> 00:41:20,946
- The urge to fling oneself down three flights of stairs
- What are you doing?
611
00:41:20,946 --> 00:41:23,163
- Doing?
- What the hell are you trying to achieve?
612
00:41:23,163 --> 00:41:28,789
I suppose I could drive into Oxford.
Walk into the BBC building on the Banbury Road
613
00:41:28,789 --> 00:41:33,068
Say I've got a bit of background
they might be interested in
614
00:41:33,068 --> 00:41:36,524
Take the old cine film with me. They'd watch it
615
00:41:36,524 --> 00:41:40,305
I don't know what this game is,
but I'm telling you now, I don't want to play it
616
00:41:40,305 --> 00:41:42,893
Yes, I'm afraid it's going to have to be
a new one today
617
00:41:42,893 --> 00:41:44,450
- A new...?
- Game
618
00:41:44,450 --> 00:41:48,898
You show me your shame, I'll show you mine.
That's the gist of it
619
00:41:48,898 --> 00:41:53,796
Gosh, what rotten luck. Because I'm afraid I'm
off games today. Note from matron and everything
620
00:41:53,796 --> 00:41:55,962
Think of it as a sort of confession
621
00:41:55,962 --> 00:41:58,213
- I'm sorry?
- Bad form notwithstanding
622
00:41:58,213 --> 00:42:02,087
- Confession? Oh my God
- 'Fraid so, Robin
623
00:42:02,087 --> 00:42:05,222
- No! So it was you!
- What do you mean?
624
00:42:05,222 --> 00:42:11,243
How could you, Diana? There I was, all these
months, thinking it was the fox and it wasn't
625
00:42:11,243 --> 00:42:13,392
- The fox?
- It was my own wife
626
00:42:13,392 --> 00:42:17,606
I can see you now, out there with the trowel
while I'm up in London
627
00:42:17,606 --> 00:42:20,156
- There we are
- Just turning up the dial on my blood pressure?
628
00:42:20,156 --> 00:42:23,599
Is that the idea? Hastening the arrival
of the long promised coronary?
629
00:42:23,599 --> 00:42:24,599
That's it
630
00:42:24,423 --> 00:42:27,696
Don't think I haven't spotted you
trying to get my cholesterol up
631
00:42:27,696 --> 00:42:32,336
I saw you last weekend,
slipping an extra yolk into my scrambled egg
632
00:42:32,336 --> 00:42:38,978
Poor me, honestly. And yet every week I come back
for more. That's what I can't understand
633
00:42:38,978 --> 00:42:46,978
Oh Christ. You know what it must be?
I must still love you
634
00:42:47,453 --> 00:42:55,453
It might be true, you know.
It might be love. It might be longing
635
00:42:55,677 --> 00:42:59,427
Don't you dare do that
636
00:43:01,793 --> 00:43:08,608
You know what I was trying to remember in the car?
Who was it that had his brain preserved?
637
00:43:08,608 --> 00:43:13,197
Couldn't bear the thought that when he died, all the
wonders of his mind were just going to evaporate
638
00:43:13,197 --> 00:43:15,532
So he had it pickled. Do you remember?
639
00:43:15,532 --> 00:43:17,642
- It was one of the philosophers
- Bentham
640
00:43:17,642 --> 00:43:20,674
- We saw it at that fundraiser. UCL
- Bentham
641
00:43:20,674 --> 00:43:24,201
- That's right. Well done, old girl
- All still there, you see
642
00:43:24,201 --> 00:43:31,495
I was thinking it's not a bad response, is it?
Set oneself in aspic. Live on in the larder
643
00:43:31,495 --> 00:43:35,522
Because what will one leave behind otherwise?
Really? At the final reckoning?
644
00:43:35,522 --> 00:43:40,136
Oh I don't know...
A deregulated financial services industry
645
00:43:40,136 --> 00:43:43,437
- What's that?
- A less equal society
646
00:43:43,437 --> 00:43:45,186
- I mean it
- So do I
647
00:43:45,186 --> 00:43:47,983
A bag of one's clothes
trundling down to the charity shop
648
00:43:47,983 --> 00:43:53,540
Is that the best one can hope for?
One may be dead, but one's suits will still be worn
649
00:43:53,540 --> 00:43:57,163
Who needs God when you've got Sue Ryder?
650
00:43:57,163 --> 00:44:02,467
Thank God for Hansard.
Because that's the great consolation in all this
651
00:44:02,467 --> 00:44:09,467
That one's been transcribed. That one will live on
in the library of the House of Commons
652
00:44:09,467 --> 00:44:14,078
Throw in an obituary of some sort, presumably.
Minor figure, but not without his contributions
653
00:44:14,078 --> 00:44:18,221
I don't suppose I'd warrant a full page, but I think
they'd give me half, don't you? To wave me off?
654
00:44:18,221 --> 00:44:21,869
Or not even half?
That would be the nightmare. After all this effort
655
00:44:21,869 --> 00:44:23,729
I came up to the flat
656
00:44:23,729 --> 00:44:25,558
- I'm sorry?
- On Wednesday
657
00:44:25,558 --> 00:44:27,519
- But I wasn't there on Wednesday
- No you weren't
658
00:44:27,519 --> 00:44:30,044
- I was...
- Yes you were
659
00:44:30,044 --> 00:44:31,616
Oh, I see
660
00:44:31,616 --> 00:44:35,006
- Rotten luck, wasn't it?
- Well, you should have said
661
00:44:35,006 --> 00:44:39,356
- You should have warned me
- But it wasn't planned, you see. That's the trouble
662
00:44:39,356 --> 00:44:44,737
One minute I was sitting here, listening to your
colleagues talking about safeguards on the radio
663
00:44:44,737 --> 00:44:49,657
Next thing I know, I'm in the mini metro,
hurtling up Stokenchurch Hill
664
00:44:49,657 --> 00:44:52,422
And how was I to know it was Wednesdays?
665
00:44:52,422 --> 00:44:57,073
Because it used to be a Thursday in our day,
didn't it, during the reign of my predecessor
666
00:44:57,073 --> 00:44:59,319
- You haven't come up to the flat for years
- I know
667
00:44:59,319 --> 00:45:01,972
- You've never come up without telling me
- Unbearable, isn't it?
668
00:45:01,972 --> 00:45:03,261
What did you want?
669
00:45:03,261 --> 00:45:07,065
Well, there were one or two things
I thought we ought to discuss, you see
670
00:45:07,065 --> 00:45:08,599
- One or two...
- Yes, I know
671
00:45:08,599 --> 00:45:13,535
I know it isn't the house style,
but I thought we might give it a go
672
00:45:13,535 --> 00:45:17,238
Open up the bonnet.
Better late than never
673
00:45:17,238 --> 00:45:20,973
I mean, I know we've traditionally favoured
a more indirect approach
674
00:45:20,973 --> 00:45:26,765
But I'm beginning to feel that might not
have stood us in the most brilliant stead
675
00:45:26,765 --> 00:45:34,100
I mean, I still remember your mother keeping
her appointment at the hairdresser's the next day
676
00:45:34,100 --> 00:45:37,567
I know. That's the look I gave her.
I remember thinking...
677
00:45:37,567 --> 00:45:42,323
...Christ, there's a woman who knows
how to brush a catastrophe under the carpet
678
00:45:42,323 --> 00:45:44,934
- Well, there we are, you'll know for next time
- Sorry?
679
00:45:44,934 --> 00:45:48,427
Not to come up to the flat like that.
Because it can be a very busy day, a Wednesday
680
00:45:48,427 --> 00:45:50,561
- Can it?
- Chockablock
681
00:45:50,561 --> 00:45:55,213
But then this is what happens when one's
as devoted to one's constituents as I am
682
00:45:55,213 --> 00:45:57,964
Speaking of which, I don't suppose you listened,
did you, last night?
683
00:45:57,964 --> 00:46:02,843
Don't suppose you found time
in your exhausting schedule for that? No?
684
00:46:02,843 --> 00:46:07,111
It was my Any Questions, Diana. Live from Leeds.
But then of course you didn't listen
685
00:46:07,111 --> 00:46:12,948
Because it's a lot to ask, isn't it? Actually to have
to think about somebody else for a moment
686
00:46:12,948 --> 00:46:16,919
Well, you'll be pleased to hear
that I emerged more or less unscathed
687
00:46:16,919 --> 00:46:19,876
- One or two smatterings of applause, even
- Did you really?
688
00:46:19,876 --> 00:46:22,698
Apparently the PM listened from Chequers
and thought I did rather well
689
00:46:22,698 --> 00:46:23,841
- No!
- Apparently
690
00:46:23,841 --> 00:46:25,391
The old gorgon approved
691
00:46:25,391 --> 00:46:27,765
Word is, I shall be getting
a little pat on the head on Monday
692
00:46:27,765 --> 00:46:29,883
- Not a pat on the head!
- Anyway
693
00:46:29,883 --> 00:46:32,564
- Or the bottom, do you think?
- I'm sorry?
694
00:46:32,564 --> 00:46:35,243
- Does she do pats on the bottom, Margaret?
- No
695
00:46:35,243 --> 00:46:38,141
- When you've really stuck it to 'em?
- Not even then
696
00:46:38,141 --> 00:46:46,141
Oh, I bet she does if you're Alan Clark. Cecil.
One of the thrusters
697
00:46:46,478 --> 00:46:52,556
I see the way she straightens all your ties.
Picks fluff of your lapels
698
00:46:52,556 --> 00:46:57,006
- She's like a dominant female gorilla
- No, she isn't
699
00:46:57,006 --> 00:46:59,188
- Prowling her pack
- I promise you
700
00:46:59,188 --> 00:47:04,244
All her public schoolboys
lined up in Smith Square, panting up at her
701
00:47:04,244 --> 00:47:09,592
- Your willies throbbing away in your y-fronts
- Come on!
702
00:47:09,592 --> 00:47:13,210
Well, she never picks any girls
to sit round the table, does she?
703
00:47:13,210 --> 00:47:21,210
Just roomfuls of men, ratcheting up
the Local Government Act, section by section
704
00:47:21,721 --> 00:47:26,563
- Oh God. It's not her is it?
- I'm sorry?
705
00:47:26,563 --> 00:47:28,360
The Wednesdays
706
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:33,998
That really would be something, if it were Margaret
you were whisking away to Wolverhampton
707
00:47:33,998 --> 00:47:36,308
- She's Mummy
- I'm sorry?
708
00:47:36,308 --> 00:47:38,578
- The straightening of ties
- Mummy?
709
00:47:38,578 --> 00:47:42,149
- The fluff on the lapel...
- Oh now, that really is heartbreaking
710
00:47:42,149 --> 00:47:45,424
I'm saying she's a profoundly un-erotic woman
711
00:47:45,424 --> 00:47:53,424
I mean, I know your mother was more or less the
missing link between Nancy Mitford and Atilla the Hun
712
00:47:54,107 --> 00:47:58,882
But the point about Mummy, in general,
is that she's the soppy one
713
00:47:58,882 --> 00:48:02,752
She's the Prime Minister, Diana.
She's not Esther Rantzen
714
00:48:02,752 --> 00:48:05,837
I wonder if there's a psychological explanation for it
715
00:48:05,837 --> 00:48:09,865
Perhaps she had an appalling
experience of childbirth. That would do it
716
00:48:09,865 --> 00:48:14,936
If one of them got stuck on the way out.
Maybe Carol had an enormous head
717
00:48:14,936 --> 00:48:16,211
- Must be it
- Do you think?
718
00:48:16,211 --> 00:48:18,828
- If only they'd been quicker with the forceps
- Well it's either that...
719
00:48:18,828 --> 00:48:23,108
...or she's got one of the syndromes, isn't it.
What's the one called...
720
00:48:23,108 --> 00:48:27,930
...where you can't imagine the
impact of your actions on somebody else?
721
00:48:27,930 --> 00:48:31,257
It's called Free Market Economics
722
00:48:31,257 --> 00:48:34,260
- Well don't joke about it
- Oh cheer up, darling
723
00:48:34,260 --> 00:48:36,804
You can have a Bloody Mary soon.
That'll take the edge off
724
00:48:36,804 --> 00:48:40,206
Because you have to mind about people
725
00:48:40,206 --> 00:48:44,415
- Mind about people?
- And you don't. Not really
726
00:48:44,415 --> 00:48:47,265
In fact, having watched you
in action all these years, I would say...
727
00:48:47,265 --> 00:48:51,347
...that the word that best describes
your attitude towards your constituents...
728
00:48:51,347 --> 00:48:54,597
- ...is disdain, actually
- Absolute rubbish
729
00:48:54,597 --> 00:48:58,102
Mingled sometimes
with a kind of appalled amusement
730
00:48:58,102 --> 00:49:01,534
Oh God,
I'm really going to have to do this, am I?
731
00:49:01,534 --> 00:49:07,256
- Imagine there are two sets of parents, Diana
- You're not going to...
732
00:49:07,256 --> 00:49:10,647
And both these sets of parents
are teaching their child to ride a bicycle
733
00:49:10,647 --> 00:49:11,912
You are!
734
00:49:11,912 --> 00:49:16,392
The first set are terribly protective. Every time their
child falls off, they rush over, scoop him up
735
00:49:16,392 --> 00:49:20,899
Ask him where it hurts, kiss it better.
Horrid old bike, they say, throwing you off like that
736
00:49:20,899 --> 00:49:25,295
In the end they can't bear it any more
and they screw the stabilisers back on
737
00:49:25,295 --> 00:49:29,608
- That'll keep you safe, they say
- Yes, I'm just about there
738
00:49:29,608 --> 00:49:31,989
Meanwhile, the second set of parents
take a different approach
739
00:49:31,989 --> 00:49:33,632
They don't!
740
00:49:33,632 --> 00:49:37,817
They don't love their child any less than the first set.
They also hate to see him hurt himself
741
00:49:37,817 --> 00:49:43,113
They also want to rush straight over
and re-attach the stabilisers. But they resist this urge
742
00:49:43,113 --> 00:49:50,041
They force themselves to appear nonchalant, relaxed.
Come on old boy, they say, up you get
743
00:49:50,041 --> 00:49:52,896
- That was very good
- But you see my point
744
00:49:52,896 --> 00:50:00,565
No, I do. As a woman,
I find a domestic analogy such a help
745
00:50:00,565 --> 00:50:06,892
The point is, you have to ask yourself which set
of parents are being kinder actually to the child
746
00:50:06,892 --> 00:50:11,725
Because one wants the boy to be on his BMX, Diana,
zooming off down the hill with his friends
747
00:50:11,725 --> 00:50:15,244
That's all I'm trying to say.
One wants him to thrive
748
00:50:15,244 --> 00:50:18,301
No, you know why it's so brilliant, your analogy?
749
00:50:18,301 --> 00:50:21,762
Because there is more than one way
to mind about people
750
00:50:21,762 --> 00:50:25,587
Because you're always standing up there
at the top of the hill
751
00:50:25,587 --> 00:50:29,172
- What?
- It's perfect, isn't it? As a visual representation...
752
00:50:29,172 --> 00:50:33,110
...of the relationship between the Conservative Party
and the people they govern
753
00:50:33,110 --> 00:50:34,704
Oh, don't be so aggravating
754
00:50:34,704 --> 00:50:38,489
Because it's never you
clattering onto the tarmac, is it?
755
00:50:38,489 --> 00:50:44,044
It's always the social workers or the miners
or the fledgling homosexuals...
756
00:50:44,044 --> 00:50:48,511
- Oh my God, she's going to start on the miners!
- Nothing's ever going to touch you
757
00:50:48,511 --> 00:50:51,448
But then this is the classic
intellectual cowardice of the Left, isn't it?
758
00:50:51,448 --> 00:50:54,672
It's so much easier to argue
against a distortion of who we are
759
00:50:54,672 --> 00:50:56,845
I'm not distorting anything
760
00:50:56,845 --> 00:50:59,693
Shall I tell you a secret about the miners?
And I hate to spoil your fun
761
00:50:59,693 --> 00:51:05,605
But the Conservative Party isn't killing off
the mining industry. It's dying all on its own
762
00:51:05,605 --> 00:51:09,023
And you know what? That's a good thing.
Because it's polluting, and it's dangerous...
763
00:51:09,023 --> 00:51:12,194
...and it's a bloody awful way
to make a living, actually
764
00:51:12,194 --> 00:51:17,502
And do you think the next generation of
young people are going to want to do these jobs?
765
00:51:17,502 --> 00:51:23,367
Stuck in a hole in the ground, clogging up their lungs?
Lousy pay? No prospect of advancement?
766
00:51:23,367 --> 00:51:28,458
Of course they're not. They want to get out.
They want to buy a bigger television and a new car
767
00:51:28,458 --> 00:51:29,792
You're doing them a favour!
768
00:51:29,792 --> 00:51:33,382
- They want more
- Of course! Dear old Margaret
769
00:51:33,382 --> 00:51:36,947
Do you know what they don't want?
To be pitied by people like you...
770
00:51:36,947 --> 00:51:41,945
...who romanticise the working-class way of life
without having the first clue about it
771
00:51:41,945 --> 00:51:46,607
Because you know what it does, that attitude?
It keeps people in their place
772
00:51:46,607 --> 00:51:50,891
So don't talk to me about the miners.
Oh, and don't talk to me about Margaret either
773
00:51:50,891 --> 00:51:55,145
As though she was sitting there in Downing Street
plotting the destruction of the working poor
774
00:51:55,145 --> 00:51:58,035
Honestly! You preach empathy at me...
775
00:51:58,035 --> 00:52:02,578
...but you never think it incumbent upon you
to understand Margaret, do you?
776
00:52:02,578 --> 00:52:06,750
Well, I hate to tell you, but she's not Pol Pot
777
00:52:06,750 --> 00:52:10,564
- No?
- She's not even General Pinochet
778
00:52:10,564 --> 00:52:16,120
I don't know, darling.
I saw her sticking out of that tank
779
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:21,296
Shall I tell you the key
to understanding Margaret Thatcher?
780
00:52:21,296 --> 00:52:24,086
I sense you're going to
781
00:52:24,086 --> 00:52:26,957
She's a grammar school girl from Grantham.
That's all
782
00:52:26,957 --> 00:52:29,610
- I'm sorry?
- For example, nobody knew her at Oxford
783
00:52:29,610 --> 00:52:32,821
- Oh, my God!
- I know
784
00:52:32,821 --> 00:52:36,981
The great towering figure of our age,
and yet she hardly even registered
785
00:52:36,981 --> 00:52:42,326
And you know why? Because the women's colleges
were full of Margaret Thatchers
786
00:52:42,326 --> 00:52:46,143
It was a type, these grammar school girls.
They weren't there...
787
00:52:46,143 --> 00:52:51,634
...because they had exceptional minds,
or because they had any sort of intellectual flair
788
00:52:51,634 --> 00:52:55,752
No, they were there because they worked
harder than everybody else, do you see?
789
00:52:55,752 --> 00:52:59,008
Went to every lecture.
Read every book on the reading list
790
00:52:59,008 --> 00:53:04,052
That's who Margaret is.
Look at her. Second class degree in Chemistry
791
00:53:04,052 --> 00:53:06,786
- You really don't see it, do you?
- Sorry?
792
00:53:06,786 --> 00:53:09,531
But then, of course you don't.
Because every time you open your mouth...
793
00:53:09,531 --> 00:53:15,302
...everyone shuts up and listens, don't they.
That's been your entire experience of life
794
00:53:15,302 --> 00:53:20,977
No matter how ill-informed, ill-thought-through
or frankly banal your opinion is...
795
00:53:20,977 --> 00:53:23,963
...everyone is desperate to hear it
796
00:53:23,963 --> 00:53:26,438
But if you're a woman, Robin...
797
00:53:26,438 --> 00:53:32,233
And I can't believe you've now forced me
into defending Margaret Thatcher...
798
00:53:32,233 --> 00:53:36,884
But if you're a grammar school girl from Grantham,
then you have to demonstrate...
799
00:53:36,884 --> 00:53:41,865
...that you've read every book on the reading list,
otherwise nobody listens to a word you say
800
00:53:41,865 --> 00:53:44,407
Yes, you've gone off
on a sort of nightmarish tangent
801
00:53:44,407 --> 00:53:49,329
And actually, can I just point out what's
really pernicious about what you just said?
802
00:53:49,329 --> 00:53:50,329
Do you have to?
803
00:53:50,025 --> 00:53:55,088
It's that you then claim that the extra work a woman
has to do in order to be taken seriously...
804
00:53:55,088 --> 00:53:59,519
...is in fact indicative of her lack of intellectual flair
805
00:53:59,519 --> 00:54:03,264
- That's not what I was saying
- Implicit in which, and this is the crowning glory...
806
00:54:03,264 --> 00:54:07,738
You actually think you've made it to the top
because of innate talent
807
00:54:07,738 --> 00:54:10,706
Don't you? You see, you do
808
00:54:10,706 --> 00:54:15,779
You think you chaps are running the country
because you're brilliant
809
00:54:15,779 --> 00:54:19,449
- But then it's a type, isn't it?
- I'm sorry?
810
00:54:19,449 --> 00:54:22,261
The men's colleges were full of them
811
00:54:22,261 --> 00:54:30,261
Yes, if you'd listen rather than attacking me, you'd
discover that I am explaining something to you
812
00:54:30,666 --> 00:54:35,944
You're explaining something to me!
How incredibly unusual
813
00:54:35,944 --> 00:54:40,857
I'm saying that if you want to understand Margaret's
politics, you have to understand who she is
814
00:54:40,857 --> 00:54:47,659
Because she's not charismatic, she's not a great
orator, she's a nightmare to sit next to at dinner
815
00:54:47,659 --> 00:54:50,788
And yet there she is.
The most successful Prime Minister since the war
816
00:54:50,788 --> 00:54:55,033
And you know how she got there?
Sheer dogged determination
817
00:54:55,033 --> 00:55:00,370
By working bloody hard.
By not expecting anything from anyone
818
00:55:00,370 --> 00:55:05,234
And as a result, that's her template
for helping other people. Do you see?
819
00:55:05,234 --> 00:55:11,213
Don't look after people if you want them to do well.
Don't encourage failure by subsidising it
820
00:55:11,213 --> 00:55:16,130
Don't tell everybody they're wonderful,
or whatever it is you want her to do to Carol
821
00:55:16,130 --> 00:55:24,130
Make them strong. Set them free.
That's her version of being kind, Diana
822
00:55:25,565 --> 00:55:29,295
She's a bloody difficult woman. I accept that.
But she's not a monster
823
00:55:29,295 --> 00:55:36,214
And do you know what else she isn't?
A bottom patter
824
00:55:36,214 --> 00:55:40,370
- Oh no! I can't bear it!
- What?
825
00:55:40,370 --> 00:55:42,895
- You've forgotten the Scotts are coming
- No I haven't
826
00:55:42,895 --> 00:55:45,102
- And you've got a plan for lunch, have you?
- For lunch?
827
00:55:45,102 --> 00:55:49,078
Only the fridge is looking particularly Soviet
this morning, even by your standards
828
00:55:49,078 --> 00:55:52,456
- Oh no! But I thought you were doing lunch
- I'm sorry?
829
00:55:52,456 --> 00:55:54,417
- I thought it was your turn
- My turn?
830
00:55:54,417 --> 00:55:59,902
- Was that not right?
- But it hasn't been my turn once in thirty years
831
00:55:59,902 --> 00:56:03,264
- Oh, I see
- Well, has it?
832
00:56:03,264 --> 00:56:08,329
- Oh, very funny
- I just give you the rope, darling
833
00:56:08,329 --> 00:56:11,183
You've been rubbing away
at Germaine Greer again, have you?
834
00:56:11,183 --> 00:56:14,063
- That's it
- You've been fumbling with the female eunuch
835
00:56:14,063 --> 00:56:16,768
I tell you, she's a lovely girl. Lot going for her
836
00:56:16,768 --> 00:56:19,908
Listen, I'd love it if you discovered feminism. I would
837
00:56:19,908 --> 00:56:24,334
Only I'm afraid the boring thing about emancipating
yourself from the shackles of the weekly shop...
838
00:56:24,334 --> 00:56:26,754
...is that you have to do something else in its place
839
00:56:26,754 --> 00:56:30,809
- Is that right?
- Look at you, standing there in your nightie
840
00:56:30,809 --> 00:56:36,114
And it's not much to ask, is it?
A bit of cold ham. Some coronation chicken
841
00:56:36,114 --> 00:56:41,594
I work bloody hard, Diana. And nobody else
has to put up with this sort of performance
842
00:56:41,594 --> 00:56:45,187
Even the Tebbits can manage a Sunday lunch
843
00:56:45,187 --> 00:56:47,959
If I did murder you...
844
00:56:47,959 --> 00:56:51,181
- ...I'd bring this up as a mitigating circumstance
- Would you?
845
00:56:51,181 --> 00:56:54,033
The defendant returned
after a particularly gruelling week in London...
846
00:56:54,033 --> 00:56:59,657
...at eleven o'clock on the morning in question
to discover his wife still in her dressing gown
847
00:56:59,657 --> 00:57:01,044
Rumpole's back
848
00:57:01,044 --> 00:57:04,519
Imagine his dismay, ladies and gentlemen
of the jury, when he also discovered...
849
00:57:04,519 --> 00:57:12,519
...that the only item fit for human consumption
in the entire house was one small slab of cheddar
850
00:57:12,787 --> 00:57:13,787
Objection!
851
00:57:13,636 --> 00:57:17,171
Said cheddar being of what one might
charitably call uncertain provenance
852
00:57:17,171 --> 00:57:20,391
- I said objection!
- On what grounds?
853
00:57:20,391 --> 00:57:24,830
- On the grounds that it's a Yarg
- It's not! My God
854
00:57:24,830 --> 00:57:28,968
And how was the defendant planning to serve up
this Cornish delight? Cold on crackers?
855
00:57:28,968 --> 00:57:31,989
Or were you thinking
you might stretch all the way to cheese on toast?
856
00:57:31,989 --> 00:57:35,066
I find if one calls it a rarebit...
857
00:57:35,066 --> 00:57:37,976
- Oh, do you?
- Smear of mustard...
858
00:57:37,976 --> 00:57:40,628
There we are,
they'll be so pleased they made the effort
859
00:57:40,628 --> 00:57:44,654
Oh, I wouldn't worry about the Scotts, darling.
They're like all our friends over sixty
860
00:57:44,654 --> 00:57:50,247
They're only eating to soak up the claret
861
00:57:50,247 --> 00:57:52,870
- Twelve at a squeeze
- I'm sorry?
862
00:57:52,870 --> 00:57:55,661
Ten comfortably, twelve at a squeeze
863
00:57:55,661 --> 00:58:01,154
First thing we bought together, wasn't it.
You and I. As a pair. Antique shop in Woodstock
864
00:58:01,154 --> 00:58:05,076
Ridiculous, of course.
An enormous table like that for the two of us
865
00:58:05,076 --> 00:58:09,704
But the man persuaded us it was the thing
we most needed in the world. Do you remember?
866
00:58:09,704 --> 00:58:12,365
You'll live your life around a table like that, he said
867
00:58:12,365 --> 00:58:18,951
Birthdays, clan gatherings, long Sunday lunches
stretching into the afternoon
868
00:58:18,951 --> 00:58:22,968
By the time he'd finished talking
we were almost worried that it was too small
869
00:58:22,968 --> 00:58:25,488
And here he is, facing cheese on toast
870
00:58:25,488 --> 00:58:29,527
- Oh well. I find if you call it a rarebit...
- That's the spirit
871
00:58:29,527 --> 00:58:35,192
Thirty pounds it cost. Absolute fortune.
Funny the things that stay with you
872
00:58:35,192 --> 00:58:40,098
Vast swathes of one's life get washed away
and these moments remain
873
00:58:40,098 --> 00:58:46,105
Pair of suckers, I suppose.
But then one had such confidence, didn't one
874
00:58:46,105 --> 00:58:53,121
In the shape one's life would have. The ability to
make it happen. When we embarked on all this
875
00:58:53,121 --> 00:58:57,898
- She's got a well-stocked fridge, has she?
- I'm sorry?
876
00:58:57,898 --> 00:59:01,217
Wednesday nights? Feeds you up?
877
00:59:01,217 --> 00:59:06,613
Nursery food, I imagine.
Steamed puddings. All the old favourites
878
00:59:06,613 --> 00:59:11,450
Oh my God! What's that?
It's not the fox?
879
00:59:11,450 --> 00:59:14,083
Sounds like someone's being murdered out there
880
00:59:14,083 --> 00:59:17,181
- You know what it's doing, don't you?
- You're going to tell me it's mating
881
00:59:17,181 --> 00:59:20,747
- It's summoning its friends
- Oh don't!
882
00:59:20,747 --> 00:59:25,931
From the Welsh valleys, they will come.
From the Cairngorms
883
00:59:25,931 --> 00:59:27,155
Do you know who I am?
884
00:59:27,155 --> 00:59:32,306
I'm on the Agriculture and Fisheries
Select Committee. I could order a cull
885
00:59:32,306 --> 00:59:36,389
And you know what's going to happen next?
They'll be coming through this Channel Tunnel
886
00:59:36,389 --> 00:59:41,286
- Not foreign foxes!
- It's serious
887
00:59:41,286 --> 00:59:48,262
Not European foxes! They think
they can just come in here. Eat our hens
888
00:59:48,262 --> 00:59:50,632
They're saying that they'll have someone there
with a gun when it breaks through...
889
00:59:50,632 --> 00:59:53,988
- ...shooting them as they come out
- That's what she wants, is it?
890
00:59:53,988 --> 00:59:56,229
- Because of what they'll bring in
- Yes
891
00:59:56,229 --> 00:59:59,001
All the things we've been safe from as an island
892
00:59:59,001 --> 01:00:03,368
- And I suspect they'll be lacking the moral values too
- Sorry?
893
01:00:03,368 --> 01:00:07,050
No it's brilliant, darling. No wonder
you frighten people into voting for you
894
01:00:07,050 --> 01:00:08,801
You want rabies back in the country do you?
895
01:00:08,801 --> 01:00:13,697
- And we do not frighten people into voting for us
- Of course you do. You work out...
896
01:00:13,697 --> 01:00:18,552
...which particular sub-set of the population
they're most prejudiced against and you're off
897
01:00:18,552 --> 01:00:21,182
You wanted to know why people
keep putting us back in power?
898
01:00:21,182 --> 01:00:25,924
That's why. Because you mistake
people's legitimate concerns for prejudice
899
01:00:25,924 --> 01:00:30,186
And you know what? Funnily enough, people
don't like being called bigots. You'd be amazed
900
01:00:30,186 --> 01:00:34,156
But it's always us against them, isn't it?
That's always the story you tell
901
01:00:34,156 --> 01:00:38,281
That's what politics is, Diana, us against them.
That's literally how it works
902
01:00:38,281 --> 01:00:41,670
And people need a story. They need to be told
who they are. Always have
903
01:00:41,670 --> 01:00:43,924
George and the Dragon. Henry the Fifth.
We shall fight them on the beaches
904
01:00:43,924 --> 01:00:46,331
- We'll arrest them at the ports
- I'm sorry?
905
01:00:46,331 --> 01:00:52,316
We'll find them on the ferries.
Isn't that what you said on your Any Questions?
906
01:00:52,316 --> 01:00:56,833
- So you did listen!
- Of course I listened. I'm your wife
907
01:00:56,833 --> 01:01:00,012
- And? What did you think?
- What did I think?
908
01:01:00,012 --> 01:01:04,758
I was unbelievably ashamed of you
909
01:01:04,758 --> 01:01:11,252
- You didn't agree with Polly Toynbee?
- I thought she was very persuasive
910
01:01:11,252 --> 01:01:15,162
I'd be persuasive if I was a liberal
in a large house in Islington
911
01:01:15,162 --> 01:01:18,661
- She was being kind
- I hate to tell you, Diana...
912
01:01:18,661 --> 01:01:22,075
...but politics isn't just about being nice to people
913
01:01:22,075 --> 01:01:24,943
Although that wouldn't be
a bad place to start, would it?
914
01:01:24,943 --> 01:01:27,754
I'm not going to go into all this
915
01:01:27,754 --> 01:01:29,965
- We'll take them to the pub, will we?
- I'm sorry?
916
01:01:29,965 --> 01:01:34,143
The Scotts.
Given the absence of food in the house
917
01:01:34,143 --> 01:01:39,149
We'll tell them you've had a frantic week.
Torrid time at the hairdressers
918
01:01:39,149 --> 01:01:40,590
I'll book a table. Oh, meanwhile...
919
01:01:40,590 --> 01:01:45,327
...do you think you might manage to get dressed?
It might give a more normal air to proceedings
920
01:01:45,327 --> 01:01:48,080
Or shall we tell them them you were
too busy for that as well?
921
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:51,358
- We could start with the Thesaurus story, I suppose
- The what?
922
01:01:51,358 --> 01:01:58,027
You remember the Thesaurus story, Robin.
Twelve children sitting in a circle on the floor
923
01:01:58,027 --> 01:02:02,853
It's a birthday party and there's an entertainer.
Smarty Arty, he's called
924
01:02:02,853 --> 01:02:07,544
And he goes round all the children
and asks them what their favourite dinosaur is
925
01:02:07,544 --> 01:02:14,082
And all the other children say the Diplodocus
or the Pterodactyl or the Tyrannosaurus Rex
926
01:02:14,082 --> 01:02:21,295
Until it comes to the birthday boy
and he sits there, very solemnly, very seriously...
927
01:02:21,295 --> 01:02:27,846
...and he says the Thesaurus
is his favourite dinosaur
928
01:02:27,846 --> 01:02:33,604
And all the grown-ups laughed, you remember?
And he didn't know why it was funny
929
01:02:33,604 --> 01:02:37,770
And he burst into tears,
and he came and sat on his mother's knee
930
01:02:37,770 --> 01:02:43,537
And his father said... Well, you remember.
What did his father say?
931
01:02:43,537 --> 01:02:45,954
- Right in front of all of his friends
- What are you doing, Diana?
932
01:02:45,954 --> 01:02:51,099
Well you said it. If you don't have a story,
then how do you know who you are?
933
01:02:51,099 --> 01:02:54,795
- Henry the Fifth, George and the Dragon...
- All right
934
01:02:54,795 --> 01:03:02,295
Don't be such a girl about it.
That's what you said
935
01:03:03,052 --> 01:03:07,991
- What's that?
- I did try to do it with the cine film
936
01:03:07,991 --> 01:03:10,458
- Would have been gentler
- I don't understand
937
01:03:10,458 --> 01:03:14,458
As luck would have it...
938
01:03:14,810 --> 01:03:22,810
June 17th, 1971. Dad took me out for lunch.
Lot of material today, he's written. 'Lot' underlined
939
01:03:26,587 --> 01:03:29,374
- We went to the dreaded club
- That's not...
940
01:03:29,374 --> 01:03:33,038
I know! Isn't it tremendous.
At least one of us kept a record
941
01:03:33,038 --> 01:03:38,671
Dad ordered a bottle of claret and we ate
enormous and extremely manly steaks
942
01:03:38,671 --> 01:03:43,901
After lunch he said
'I've got a birthday present for you'
943
01:03:43,901 --> 01:03:49,082
We got in the car, and he drove us down
to a mews off the Bayswater Road
944
01:03:49,082 --> 01:03:55,821
We got out and he rang a doorbell.
'Have fun', he said. 'I'll be parked round the corner'
945
01:03:55,821 --> 01:03:57,759
This is in extremely bad taste
946
01:03:57,759 --> 01:04:05,428
Linda, her name was.
She said 'I hear it's someone's birthday'
947
01:04:05,428 --> 01:04:10,399
In the car on the way back to school,
Dad asked me how it had been
948
01:04:10,399 --> 01:04:16,375
'She was gorgeous', I said.
I let him drive on for a bit, looking pleased with me
949
01:04:16,375 --> 01:04:23,833
Then I said 'The thing is, we shared
an absolute abhorrence for chintz'
950
01:04:23,833 --> 01:04:30,481
'You shared what?' 'Chintz', I said. 'Neither of us can
stand it. I tell you, she's got a real eye for fabric'
951
01:04:30,481 --> 01:04:31,481
That's enough now
952
01:04:31,466 --> 01:04:37,742
'You should go and have a look', I said.'Her curtains are a fabulous toile de joie'
953
01:04:37,742 --> 01:04:44,512
Coming back to you, is it? Because I tell you,
it's all there. Our own private Hansard
954
01:04:44,512 --> 01:04:49,815
And there's masses more, if you'd like it.
I tell you he's bloody good
955
01:04:49,815 --> 01:04:53,071
Wait till you get to the sex scenes.
It's riveting
956
01:04:53,071 --> 01:04:55,769
- What are you doing, Diana?
- The boy on the bicycle
957
01:04:55,769 --> 01:04:59,459
Seeing as that's the analogy we're using.
Wobbling down the road
958
01:04:59,459 --> 01:05:03,845
Oh for goodness sake, that wasn't the wrong thing
to do. That thing you read out in the diary
959
01:05:03,845 --> 01:05:06,706
- Not the wrong thing?
- It was cack-handed, possibly
960
01:05:06,706 --> 01:05:12,621
Amazing. But then this is why I needed to talk
to you on Wednesday, wasn't it? Before the vote
961
01:05:12,621 --> 01:05:14,433
- Do you want to know where I was on Wednesday?
- Not really
962
01:05:14,433 --> 01:05:16,389
- Where do you think I was?
- I don't even care
963
01:05:16,389 --> 01:05:20,707
- No go on, tell me
- I rang through to Barbara in the office
964
01:05:20,707 --> 01:05:28,279
'Are you two having a lovely time?' she said.
'What a treat for you both to get away mid-week'
965
01:05:28,279 --> 01:05:36,279
I was surprisingly sad, you know. Because
I ought to tell you, I don't have anyone
966
01:05:37,597 --> 01:05:41,451
I want you to know I pulled it off.
'Oh yes, ' I said. 'Huge treat'
967
01:05:41,451 --> 01:05:44,407
- It's not what you think
- No?
968
01:05:44,407 --> 01:05:48,857
- Oh God, it's not love, is it?
- Sorry?
969
01:05:48,857 --> 01:05:51,697
Because sex I think one could somehow cope with
970
01:05:51,697 --> 01:05:59,697
But what if it's some nice middle-aged woman
in an Alice band. Corduroy skirt. Sensible shoes
971
01:05:59,813 --> 01:06:00,996
Do you want me to explain?
972
01:06:00,996 --> 01:06:05,368
If you just clamber into bed.
Read each other tit-bits from The Times...
973
01:06:05,368 --> 01:06:09,277
- You've got the wrong end of the stick
- You didn't come back all night, Robin
974
01:06:09,277 --> 01:06:13,110
- You didn't stay all night?
- I sat on the chair by the door
975
01:06:13,110 --> 01:06:21,110
Waiting to hear your footsteps on the stairs.
Only they never came. Did they?
976
01:06:22,215 --> 01:06:24,465
- No
- No
977
01:06:26,437 --> 01:06:31,195
But you made it to the vote, though. Presumably.
From wherever you were
978
01:06:31,195 --> 01:06:36,945
Yes, of course you did.
Christ, Robin
979
01:06:37,304 --> 01:06:43,892
And then to have to listen to you
last night on the radio, defending it
980
01:06:43,892 --> 01:06:46,256
Of all the people they could have sent out there
981
01:06:46,256 --> 01:06:49,973
Why didn't you say no?
Why didn't you say you couldn't do it?
982
01:06:49,973 --> 01:06:53,960
- Because I could. Because I wanted to
- You wanted to?
983
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:55,761
They have an agenda, these councils
984
01:06:55,761 --> 01:07:01,450
It's about identity, difference, minorities.
That's how they do us against them
985
01:07:01,450 --> 01:07:06,654
But imagine the child going to the teacher
to ask for help. Imagine that moment
986
01:07:06,654 --> 01:07:09,126
They want people to feel victimised, resentful
987
01:07:09,126 --> 01:07:14,425
Even you must be able to see it.
How much is riding on that teacher's response
988
01:07:14,425 --> 01:07:15,425
You're missing the point
989
01:07:15,190 --> 01:07:19,115
Because to be absolutely clear,
not only are you telling that teacher...
990
01:07:19,115 --> 01:07:24,366
...that it would be illegal to comfort the frightened
and bewildered child standing in front of her
991
01:07:24,366 --> 01:07:32,137
You are also telling that child that their worst
anxieties are true. That it is unacceptable
992
01:07:32,137 --> 01:07:38,429
And you'd like them to be told it's going to be easy,
is that it? Walk in the park? To be a homosexual?
993
01:07:38,429 --> 01:07:40,691
I'd like them to be told it's normal
994
01:07:40,691 --> 01:07:44,963
But it's not the norm, Di, it isn't.
That's exactly the point
995
01:07:44,963 --> 01:07:46,709
And it's not an easy life
996
01:07:46,709 --> 01:07:50,121
If one lived in... San Francisco,
maybe it would be different
997
01:07:50,121 --> 01:07:55,313
But we don't. This is England.
We're a conservative nation. We are
998
01:07:55,313 --> 01:07:57,325
People don't want the world to change
999
01:07:57,325 --> 01:08:01,706
They want it to look the same as it did
when they were growing up and they felt safe
1000
01:08:01,706 --> 01:08:06,848
They feel bewildered. Lost.
They don't recognise the country they grew up in
1001
01:08:06,848 --> 01:08:13,918
And the result is that they feel threatened by people
who are different. Frightened of them, actually
1002
01:08:13,918 --> 01:08:18,415
Then it's your responsibility as a politician
to tell them they don't have to be frightened
1003
01:08:18,415 --> 01:08:23,807
We trust other people who are like us. It's a human
instinct. We want to belong. We want to feel safe
1004
01:08:23,807 --> 01:08:27,721
Ask a black man.
Ask him who he would trust his life to
1005
01:08:27,721 --> 01:08:31,842
Ask the Sikhs in Hounslow.
Ask the homosexuals, actually
1006
01:08:31,842 --> 01:08:38,853
- You're saying...
- I'm saying that it's easier to be in the majority
1007
01:08:38,853 --> 01:08:40,874
And I'm saying that if you're that teacher...
1008
01:08:40,874 --> 01:08:46,604
...you have to think very carefully, actually,
about what the kindest thing to say is
1009
01:08:46,604 --> 01:08:51,279
Because one wants a young person
to choose a life that is going to offer him the most
1010
01:08:51,279 --> 01:08:56,776
And perhaps it's not a terrible idea
to send him off in an easier direction
1011
01:08:56,776 --> 01:09:00,139
One's not fully formed at that age, Diana.
Still malleable
1012
01:09:00,139 --> 01:09:06,158
And it does shut you out from things. That sort of life.
You can't deny that. Family, children
1013
01:09:06,158 --> 01:09:14,065
Power, actually, if that's important to you.
And there's a sadness to it. A loneliness
1014
01:09:14,065 --> 01:09:19,993
Look at Uncle John. Sitting there in that house
on his own, surrounded by all that china
1015
01:09:19,993 --> 01:09:24,499
You think the best thing is to tell them
their life is going to be normal
1016
01:09:24,499 --> 01:09:29,854
But perhaps it isn't.
Perhaps it's going to be bloody difficult
1017
01:09:29,854 --> 01:09:33,387
- And this AIDS, Diana. If you saw them
- I'm sorry?
1018
01:09:33,387 --> 01:09:35,536
These young men. Wasting away
1019
01:09:35,536 --> 01:09:42,342
Don't you dare. Don't you dare do that. When you
have been using that illness to demonise them
1020
01:09:42,342 --> 01:09:45,406
- That's not what we've done
- Look at your newspapers!
1021
01:09:45,406 --> 01:09:49,011
- They're not our newspapers
- A plague. That's what they call it
1022
01:09:49,011 --> 01:09:53,151
You really think that we're all bigoted, do you?
Is that it? Grow up, Diana
1023
01:09:53,151 --> 01:09:57,079
The Party is full of homosexuals.
Look at St John Stevas
1024
01:09:57,079 --> 01:10:02,012
I don't think you're bigoted.
I think you're cynical. And I think you're careless
1025
01:10:02,012 --> 01:10:06,454
And for you, Robin. For you, of all people,
to be out there, defending this thing
1026
01:10:06,454 --> 01:10:07,744
You don't understand the Bill
1027
01:10:07,744 --> 01:10:11,780
Because I think it would have made a difference,
don't you, to the way people heard you last night
1028
01:10:11,780 --> 01:10:16,757
If they knew that the man out there
on the radio talking about safeguards...
1029
01:10:16,757 --> 01:10:22,702
...had a son all of his own.
Swam out one day into the Norfolk Broads
1030
01:10:22,702 --> 01:10:27,173
- What are you doing, Diana?
- Sunny day, Robin. Cloudless sky
1031
01:10:27,173 --> 01:10:28,407
- No, thank you
- You've got to admit...
1032
01:10:28,407 --> 01:10:31,609
- ...that puts a slightly different perspective on it
- I said no, thank you
1033
01:10:31,609 --> 01:10:37,106
Because it wasn't an accident sort of day, was it?
Not a ripple on the water
1034
01:10:37,106 --> 01:10:40,959
And how many times had we all swum there?
The three of us. Over all those summers
1035
01:10:40,959 --> 01:10:43,831
- That's enough now
- 'Died suddenly'
1036
01:10:43,831 --> 01:10:50,342
That's what you and your mother had them put
in The Times. 'Died suddenly while on holiday'
1037
01:10:50,342 --> 01:10:52,785
And then on Sunday evening
you went back up to London
1038
01:10:52,785 --> 01:10:53,962
I don't think you want to do this
1039
01:10:53,962 --> 01:11:00,352
And I know you had a quiet word with someone.
Kept it out of the papers. Off the coroner's report
1040
01:11:00,352 --> 01:11:07,456
No need for it to become a story.
Well, you'd just got your seat
1041
01:11:07,456 --> 01:11:12,896
Worst thing is, it's a way of keeping people alive.
Talking about them
1042
01:11:12,896 --> 01:11:19,032
- And not to have even done him that honour...
- For Christ's sake, Diana, it was for you
1043
01:11:19,032 --> 01:11:20,032
What was?
1044
01:11:19,775 --> 01:11:24,631
For once in your life. For once in your life,
take responsibility for something, will you?
1045
01:11:24,631 --> 01:11:29,082
Because you think it went well?
Your version of looking after?
1046
01:11:29,082 --> 01:11:32,281
All that emotion you shovelled into him?
All that encouragement?
1047
01:11:32,281 --> 01:11:35,141
And if we didn't talk about it,
if I did have a quiet word with someone...
1048
01:11:35,141 --> 01:11:38,770
...can you possibly imagine
that it might have been for your sake?
1049
01:11:38,770 --> 01:11:39,770
'Died suddenly'
1050
01:11:39,554 --> 01:11:45,214
But this is what you always do, isn't it? You let
yourself off the hook. Well, that's enough
1051
01:11:45,214 --> 01:11:49,114
You tell me how dangerous I am.
But take a look at yourself
1052
01:11:49,114 --> 01:11:53,739
Everything you've ever done has gone bad.
Everything you've ever touched
1053
01:11:53,739 --> 01:11:58,746
No wonder nobody comes near you.
Have you ever stopped to ask yourself why that is?
1054
01:11:58,746 --> 01:12:03,821
Because I'm the only person here, aren't I?
I'm the only person who comes anywhere near you
1055
01:12:03,821 --> 01:12:07,325
In return for which, I wonder if you might possibly
do me the courtesy...
1056
01:12:07,325 --> 01:12:14,200
...of going and getting your fucking clothes on
1057
01:12:19,565 --> 01:12:21,190
I see
1058
01:12:22,218 --> 01:12:27,418
- I didn't mean...
- No, it's good, Robin
1059
01:12:27,418 --> 01:12:32,846
First honest thing you've said to me in fifteen years
1060
01:12:32,846 --> 01:12:35,557
I just want you to get dressed, Di. That's all.
The Scotts'll be here in a minute
1061
01:12:35,557 --> 01:12:39,905
That's what you think went wrong?
The over-loving mother
1062
01:12:39,905 --> 01:12:42,696
- Sorry?
- That's what you were protecting me from
1063
01:12:42,696 --> 01:12:49,736
Please get dressed, Di. Please don't be like this
when they come. It's important to me
1064
01:12:49,736 --> 01:12:57,736
I needed to be zipped up. That's why I'm not dressed.
Because I needed someone to help me
1065
01:12:57,802 --> 01:13:05,802
Stuck out here on my own.
Nobody comes anywhere near me
1066
01:13:11,014 --> 01:13:17,087
You make a choice, Di.
The life you want to have
1067
01:13:17,087 --> 01:13:25,087
This is what I chose.
This life we had. That we squandered
1068
01:13:26,321 --> 01:13:31,804
I remember standing at the window showing him.
When he was a baby
1069
01:13:31,804 --> 01:13:39,804
One day, my boy, all this will be yours.
Ridiculous, of course. Half an acre outside Burford
1070
01:13:41,736 --> 01:13:48,611
You wondered
why I mind so much about my lawn?
1071
01:13:49,794 --> 01:13:52,210
It's because it was for him
1072
01:13:52,210 --> 01:14:00,210
It's because I was making this perfect wicket for him.
Back and forth with the roller
1073
01:14:02,852 --> 01:14:10,043
Perfect cricket pitch. On which I thought I would
bowl and bowl and bowl at him, at my son
1074
01:14:10,043 --> 01:14:12,612
I'd go on until the middle of the night,
if that was what he wanted
1075
01:14:12,612 --> 01:14:17,234
Always have enough time for him.
Opposite of my father
1076
01:14:17,234 --> 01:14:23,691
Only it wasn't what he wanted.
Always far away from me. Never friends
1077
01:14:23,691 --> 01:14:26,441
He was sixteen
1078
01:14:27,987 --> 01:14:31,112
He didn't like me
1079
01:14:32,361 --> 01:14:36,230
And the two of you.
I did worry about it. You know I did
1080
01:14:36,230 --> 01:14:44,230
All that emotion between you. I did think
he needed to be tougher. A bit of armour. I did
1081
01:14:47,266 --> 01:14:49,732
- I'd been out all morning
- I'm sorry?
1082
01:14:49,732 --> 01:14:54,164
At lunchtime I came back to the house
as I said I would
1083
01:14:54,164 --> 01:14:59,602
- I don't understand
- Sunny day, Robin. Cloudless sky
1084
01:14:59,602 --> 01:15:03,305
- That house. Lawn stretching down to the water
- You mean...
1085
01:15:03,305 --> 01:15:07,291
I called up the stairs.
Tom, I said. I'm home
1086
01:15:07,291 --> 01:15:12,063
No answer. Which was strange. Because normally
he would have bounded down to me, wouldn't he?
1087
01:15:12,063 --> 01:15:17,274
It wasn't till I got to the threshold of our room
that I saw him
1088
01:15:17,274 --> 01:15:25,274
And now I realise that he looked incredibly beautiful.
Heart-stoppingly beautiful
1089
01:15:25,312 --> 01:15:33,216
Our son, standing in the window of our bedroom,
the sun pouring in on him
1090
01:15:33,216 --> 01:15:34,565
What do you mean?
1091
01:15:34,565 --> 01:15:40,281
I mean there was nothing sordid about it.
I think that's the most important thing for me to say
1092
01:15:40,281 --> 01:15:45,615
- There was something pure about it
- I don't understand
1093
01:15:45,615 --> 01:15:52,949
It was my going-away dress from our wedding.
That fine grey silk
1094
01:15:52,949 --> 01:15:58,825
My God, I'm so proud of him
when I think of the bravery of that moment
1095
01:15:58,825 --> 01:16:04,496
Because I should say before I go on
that he knew I was coming back for lunch
1096
01:16:04,496 --> 01:16:12,372
Which means, of course, that this moment
was an unveiling. Do you see?
1097
01:16:12,372 --> 01:16:17,192
And for a moment I just stood there
not knowing what to do
1098
01:16:17,192 --> 01:16:25,192
Then he held out his hands to me. He held out
his hands to me and he said, hello Mum
1099
01:16:28,004 --> 01:16:30,345
So you see, I have to hope that it was the shock
1100
01:16:30,345 --> 01:16:31,827
- I'm sorry?
- Panic
1101
01:16:31,827 --> 01:16:36,499
That I'd somehow done this to him.
As you always said I would
1102
01:16:36,499 --> 01:16:43,106
All the things that wouldn't be available to him.
The children he wouldn't have. Possibly
1103
01:16:43,106 --> 01:16:51,039
Because what I have to confront
is the fact that perhaps I was disgusted
1104
01:16:51,039 --> 01:16:59,039
Do you see? Perhaps I was repulsed
at the sight of my brilliant boy
1105
01:17:00,491 --> 01:17:08,271
With my rouge on his cheeks and that first hair
on his chest and my lipstick on his mouth
1106
01:17:08,271 --> 01:17:10,743
- I don't need to know any more
- Oh but you do, Robin
1107
01:17:10,743 --> 01:17:15,229
Because you can see
how much faith he had in me in that moment
1108
01:17:15,229 --> 01:17:18,487
And we know what I ought to have said, don't we?
1109
01:17:18,487 --> 01:17:26,487
To my boy. Standing there in my dress.
All of his life stretching out ahead of him
1110
01:17:27,001 --> 01:17:35,001
I ought just to have given him a hug and told him
I loved him. Told him everything was going to be ok
1111
01:17:35,980 --> 01:17:39,112
- You...
- Oh Robin, I didn't say any of those things
1112
01:17:39,112 --> 01:17:41,127
- Not any of them
- What happened?
1113
01:17:41,127 --> 01:17:42,633
- I was sick
- You were...
1114
01:17:42,633 --> 01:17:50,633
I ran into the bathroom and I was sick.
At the sight of my son
1115
01:17:55,402 --> 01:18:00,027
It wasn't that day? It wasn't
1116
01:18:01,009 --> 01:18:05,650
I sat on the stairs, waiting for him to come back
1117
01:18:05,650 --> 01:18:12,869
All afternoon, into the evening.
Waiting for him to walk through the door
1118
01:18:12,869 --> 01:18:20,869
It was almost midnight when I heard footsteps
on the path. Oh thank God, I thought
1119
01:18:21,194 --> 01:18:27,768
Only of course...
Policewoman standing there
1120
01:18:27,768 --> 01:18:35,018
Diana Hesketh? she said.
And she took off her hat
1121
01:18:35,662 --> 01:18:41,195
I never got the chance to say sorry.
To tell him I loved him
1122
01:18:41,195 --> 01:18:47,695
- So you see, it was my...
- Don't say that
1123
01:18:47,747 --> 01:18:51,622
It was. It was my fault
1124
01:19:00,019 --> 01:19:06,753
You should have told me.
I wish you'd told me
1125
01:19:06,753 --> 01:19:12,267
- You could have left me if I'd told you
- I could have looked after you
1126
01:19:12,267 --> 01:19:18,517
- Oh, don't say that
- I could have tried
1127
01:19:18,875 --> 01:19:21,595
And then this week
1128
01:19:21,595 --> 01:19:27,298
Because it would have made a difference.
Tell me it would. On Wednesday
1129
01:19:27,298 --> 01:19:35,298
If I'd been brave enough to tell you.
If you'd been there to hear
1130
01:19:36,767 --> 01:19:39,770
- I was in Norfolk
- I'm sorry?
1131
01:19:39,770 --> 01:19:43,718
That's where I was on Wednesday
1132
01:19:43,718 --> 01:19:50,093
- You were...
- Yes. He was my son too, Di
1133
01:19:52,935 --> 01:19:57,435
- You go there?
- Sometimes
1134
01:19:58,985 --> 01:20:04,860
- I didn't know
- It's been... private
1135
01:20:09,623 --> 01:20:16,248
- So you weren't...
- No, of course I wasn't
1136
01:20:16,702 --> 01:20:24,577
There's only ever been you, you stupid woman.
Just you
1137
01:20:24,728 --> 01:20:27,103
You and Tom
1138
01:20:43,709 --> 01:20:49,709
Anyway...
Scotts'll be here in a minute
1139
01:22:41,238 --> 01:22:43,363
I'm sorry
1140
01:22:45,592 --> 01:22:51,967
He knew, Di. He knew how much you loved him
1141
01:22:57,236 --> 01:23:05,236
We'll take them to the pub.
It doesn't matter. It's not important
1142
01:23:07,383 --> 01:23:15,383
She's bringing lunch. Claire.
She's made a coronation chicken
1143
01:23:29,019 --> 01:23:31,019
We've...
1144
01:23:39,799 --> 01:23:44,317
He would have thrived. Wouldn't he?
1145
01:23:44,317 --> 01:23:45,317
Yes. Yes, he would
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