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In the middle of that sofa,
if that's possible.
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{\an8}When we knew that President Biden
is going to give a speech
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{\an8}regarding Afghanistan,
we could hardly eat.
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{\an8}I think we all had mixed feelings.
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{\an8}We were both optimistic in one view,
but at the same time concerned.
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{\an8}The President's announcement
didn't impact the US life.
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{\an8}It impacted our life.
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{\an8}PRESIDENT BIDEN: I'm speaking to
you today from the Treaty Room
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{\an8}in the White House.
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We went to Afghanistan in 2001
to root out Al-Qaeda, to prevent
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future terrorist attacks
against the United States
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planned from Afghanistan.
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We did that.
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Osama bin Laden's gone.
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That was ten years ago.
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Some of us could see
that this is the end.
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I've concluded that it's time
to end America's longest war.
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It's time for American troops
to come home.
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Wow.
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Leaving unconditionally?
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Why would anyone do this?
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REPORTER: The Taliban was in control
of 20% of Afghanistan's districts
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in April. Now it's more than 50%.
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US as a power, it's an elephant.
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It walks in a room,
doesn't know what happens.
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MAN SHOUTS, CROWD RESPONDS
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Walks out.
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The Taliban advance appears
unstoppable.
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Regional capitals are falling
like dominoes.
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You look at it from an Afghan's
perspective, it felt abandonment.
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It felt betrayal.
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We had a small window
for an imperfect peace.
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That could have prevented
the humiliation we suffered.
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It was a prescription
for a disaster.
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BARACK OBAMA: For the first time
since 9/11, our combat mission
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in Afghanistan is over.
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APPLAUSE
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Six years ago, nearly 180,000
American troops served
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in Iraq and Afghanistan.
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Today, fewer than 15,000 remain.
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REPORTER: Obviously, all UK combat
forces are out.
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The US is leaving a rump force
of some 12,000 or 13,000 in country
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but in essence... It's now Afghan
security forces who bear the brunt
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of the fighting and the casualties,
in a conflict...
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And welcome to Washington, DC.
A country which stands on the cusp
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of making a historic decision...
When Americans vote tomorrow...
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If he wins, America will have taken
a step into the unknown
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with a leader who cast doubts
on international agreements.
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Both America and the world will be
entering a new and uncertain world.
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DONALD TRUMP: Thank you.
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CHEERING
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We will stop racing to topple
foreign...
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And you understand this - foreign
regimes that we know nothing about,
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that we shouldn't be involved with.
Instead, our focus...
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I was in Kabul. I was very sleepy
and my husband wanted to stay awake.
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He was convinced that Mrs Clinton
will win.
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And I said, "I'm going to sleep
because I know Mr Trump will win."
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My husband looked at me with a huge
surprise. "Why? Why would he win?"
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I joked and I said,
"For my entertainment."
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From now on, it's going
to be America first.
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America first.
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When I woke up and I see my husband
with a surprised face
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that actually he did win,
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and then for us in Afghanistan,
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things changed
dramatically after that.
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I retired from the US military
in February of 2016.
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I got a phone call from
the Trump team.
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He needed someone to make the
staff work better, and I said,
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"I don't want to do this if I can
avoid it," you know, etc, etc.
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And he said, "Well, why don't
you come see me Monday morning
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"and we'll make a decision on it?"
And I thought, "OK, good.
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"I can spend the weekend
thinking up excuses as to why
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"I shouldn't be the Chief of Staff."
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And then shortly after that,
I got a phone call.
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Someone said, "Hey, he just tweeted
you're the new Chief of Staff."
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Please place your left hand
on the Bible.
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I was totally stunned
that he'd have done that.
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I, John Francis Kelly...
I, John Francis Kelly.
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Trump had a huge number
of preconceived notions.
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You know, "Why are we there,
and what's the point?"
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Afghanistan is a total
and complete disaster.
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Let's get with it.
Get out of Afghanistan.
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We've wasted billions and
billions of dollars.
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It's startling to me how little
he understood about how our country
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got to Afghanistan and what
we were trying to accomplish.
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Just kept going back to these
campaign rhetoric rants
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about, "They're not worth it.
Who cares?
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"I know more than the generals.
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"I know more than
everybody about this topic."
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{\an8}All right.
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{\an8}So several of us were in
the briefing room
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{\an8}getting ready
to brief President Trump,
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and he just sort of looked at me
and rolled his eyes with a look of,
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you know, "Do I really have to
focus on this right now?"
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It's frustrating being a person
who's followed the region for many,
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many years to hear, you know,
the President really looking
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at the issue mainly through
a domestic political lens
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and not really understanding
the very critical stakes
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for the world, really.
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My sense is this guy
really needed help.
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Every president, more or less,
takes the month of August off.
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Mr Trump would go to Bedminster
to play golf.
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I brought in the CIA director,
Mike Pompeo, and they just talked
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about Afghanistan the way
it is today, what it will look like.
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Then General Mattis came
up to talk about the military
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and how we were operating there.
What would be lost if we withdrew.
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For sure, we don't want to give
the terrorists the opportunity
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to have a safe haven again.
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Eventually, at the end of
the Bedminster discussion,
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he said, "I got it," and agreed.
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When President Trump was elected,
then he relaxed authority.
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The thing changed.
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There was air support,
special operation.
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But those days, we were able
to change the game.
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I had mobilised 24,000...24,000
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local people to resist
against Taliban
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in entire north and northeast.
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We were able to contain
Taliban back.
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We did it.
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I think General Kelly had a great
deal to do with moving the President
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from a position of completely
opposing having US forces
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in Afghanistan to a position
where he actually agreed to increase
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the level of US forces.
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But once General Kelly left,
everything really broke down.
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I've had a lot of tough jobs.
I've never given up on any of them,
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but I'd reached my limit
at the White House.
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He was clearly not listening to me
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as much as he once did.
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He was less and less open
to these, you know, staff efforts
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to get him involved in things.
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That was the point at which I felt
as though I'd probably had enough.
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I just said to him, "Sir, whoever
you choose to take my place,
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"don't choose a boot-licker
or a yes man.
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"That would be a disaster."
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And the President said, "Well,
maybe what I need is a yes man."
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After I left, I was surprised all
of a sudden that he changed his mind
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again on Afghanistan.
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And that's when we started
to talk to the Taliban.
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I was in a car being driven
down to Fox News in Washington,
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to do an interview.
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PHONE RINGS
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It was the White House operator,
and the president came on the line
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and I said something inspiring,
like, "Hello, Mr President."
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He said, "Look, I want to offer
you the most powerful job
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"in the White House."
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And then he said, "No, no, no,
I don't mean the chief
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"of staff job,"
and we both broke out laughing.
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To me, that signalled
that the current chief of staff
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was in the room.
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It was probably about a month later
I became National Security Adviser.
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Mr Secretary, so good to see you.
Thank you for inviting me over.
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But then, within a few weeks,
I took a call that would change
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{\an8}the whole situation.
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{\an8}Zal had been my successor
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{\an8}as US ambassador to the UN
and I'd known him for a long time.
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I was born in northern Afghanistan
in a city called Mazar-i-Sharif.
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I was selected in the 11th grade
to come to America
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as a foreign exchange student,
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and that year had a great impact on
the trajectory of my life.
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I went to the State Department
during Ronald Reagan's period
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and worked on
both Afghanistan and Iraq wars.
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The United Nations overwhelmingly
has called for the withdrawal
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of the Soviet troops,
unconditionally.
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Zal was well known, certainly
in Republican circles, as somebody
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who, having been born and raised
in Afghanistan, knew
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the country well.
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And he told me that he had been
approached by some people
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who claimed they spoke
for the Taliban.
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I was at the Four Seasons Hotel
in Abu Dhabi when someone presenting
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himself as the head of the Taliban
office in Dubai said
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that he has a message for me
from the Taliban leaders
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and that they're interested
in a political settlement.
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He said, "We believe you are well
connected in the US.
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"If you could pass this message
to Washington."
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Did they really speak for Taliban?
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Would this be a channel
of communication?
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I said, let's stay in touch
and let me know how it develops.
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The day after the mid-term
Congressional election,
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we had a big meeting in
the Oval Office to talk about
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whether this diplomatic approach by
Khalilzad had any chance of success.
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Trump believed that the announcement
of a settlement would meet
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his campaign promises
to end the endless wars.
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So what he saw was
that it was mostly
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another PR opportunity for him.
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I thought it was a bad idea.
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I feared that it could result
in Trump flat out saying,
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"you need to withdraw from
Afghanistan."
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I got a call from the
Secretary of State, Mike Pompeo.
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He told me what the president
was thinking about Afghanistan,
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that he wanted to reduce
the burden dramatically.
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"We would like you to lead
that effort."
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I asked them what the reduction
of burden meant.
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What did that mean?
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And he said to withdraw.
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Trump basically said you can have
until February the 14th and come
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{\an8}back with a way to get out.
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{\an8}We are not against the people
of America.
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{\an8}We are against their policy
of occupation.
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{\an8}We approached Mr Khalilzad.
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They wanted an honourable exit
from Afghanistan, and we said,
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we will provide you with that.
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We had nonstop talks for six days.
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Ambassador Khalilzad felt
he was under a lot of pressure
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to make quick progress
because President Trump had become
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very impatient
with the Afghanistan war.
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The Taliban were sceptical
that the US would actually ever
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withdraw after 20 years of war.
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So he brought in some military
officials to provide briefings
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to the Taliban, showing where US
forces were, what a withdrawal
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would look like.
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And as one of the military officials
was rolling out the whiteboard
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with sort of the information on it,
the Taliban leader said,
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"Oh, look, they're giving us
the crown jewels already.
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"We haven't even started the talks."
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Ambassador Khalilzad really was just
too eager to come to a peace deal,
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any deal, whether it was a deal
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that was good for US interests
or not.
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We didn't hear from Zal
for long periods of time.
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We'd hear rumblings about what
was being said and we wanted to hear
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what was going on and why
this was being conducted in such
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a secretive manner.
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When I felt that the fact
that we were having discussions
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with Taliban, to the exclusion
of the Afghan national government,
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{\an8}would come back to haunt us.
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{\an8}When I was a student at Brunel
University in London, I started
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{\an8}an Afghan students association.
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And when Mr Ghani, then, was
in London, we invited him to come
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and speak to our members.
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I was really impressed
with his thoughts about Afghanistan.
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He had a vision about what we could
do to be a developed country again.
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And when he decided to run
for president, I volunteered
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for his campaign.
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Vacuums get to be filled.
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Today they're being filled
by Al-Qaeda, by Taliban,
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and by criminal
elements in local power brokers.
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I had known President Ghani
since we were in high school.
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He was from a rival high school.
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There were lots of stories
of their rivalry.
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I know them both
from a very long time.
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Very, very long time.
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Khalilzad is friendly,
accommodating, always very pleasant.
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With President Ghani, you never knew
that what to expect.
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One day extremely cheerful,
very friendly.
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The next day, abrupt and nervous
and short.
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It's just for...
No further comments. Please. No?
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Yes. OK. Yeah. Let us do our job
rather than deal with the press.
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So it was very different
personalities they had.
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The insurgency in Afghanistan
is a multi-headed phenomenon.
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He's very comfortable with analysis
and advocating, criticising,
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even in the midst of this
deteriorating
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security situation around
Afghanistan.
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He felt more comfortable
in the discussion on the realm
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of ideas than he was on some
of these other issues.
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{\an8}I think I was the first Western
leader to go and see him in Kabul.
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{\an8}He was a very capable man.
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He'd worked at the World Bank.
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He'd written books about failed
states.
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He was clearly knowledgeable
and capable.
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But sometimes when you spoke
with Ashraf Ghani, he would talk
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about what he was going to do
in government.
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And it sounded like he was
describing running a sort
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of, you know,
Western European government
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where things work and everything
is connected up.
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What the public expects is the same
that what the Afghan public expects,
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a functioning government.
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The problem is he was pulling levers
and he'd find there was nothing
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attached to them.
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Just half an hour conversation
with President Ghani
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will tell you that he is full
of illusions.
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He's talking about an Afghanistan
which doesn't exist
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and what he's saying will not
work in Afghanistan.
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CHILDREN CHATTER INDISTINCTLY
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I went to Kabul and I met
with President Ghani and his team.
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He said that he had been consulted
on my appointment,
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that he had supported it,
and he had put a stack
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of briefing slides together.
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President Ghani took personal
time to prepare a brief
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for Ambassador Khalilzad,
and he sat across him,
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he gave him the briefing.
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He gave him the notes.
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He laid his...his vision
for what peace,
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how peace could be achieved.
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But I got the impression
from the beginning that he wanted
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to play a central role in
the negotiating process, personally.
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I said that obviously that would be
great, but that was, as he knew
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highly unlikely, because
for the previous 15, 16 years,
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we had been waiting for the Talibs
to accept the Afghan government,
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and they had refused.
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I was in Ministry of Interior
and we met Khalilzad.
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We told him nothing has changed.
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The Taliban are deceiving you.
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They are not honest about any
negotiation.
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They are literally saying,
we defeated America
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and America is leaving.
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I said, "For God's sake...
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"..don't do this."
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And then you're, like...
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"Open your eyes. Wake up.
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"If you're leaving, leave.
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"But don't give this terrorist
organisation a legitimacy."
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In my mind, there was no chance
the Taliban were going to meet
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any material commitment they made
once it was clear to the world
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that we were withdrawing.
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I had a meeting with the president
and I said to him,
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"If you're going to make this
argument,
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"don't do it by giving away
the store to the Taliban."
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Ambassador Khalilzad seemed to think
he had an agreement
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with the Taliban, that everything
was, you know, one and done.
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He wanted to hold a press conference
and sort of shove the peace
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agreement down Ghani's throat.
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You are witnessing there
an historic signing -
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an agreement between
the United States and the Taliban.
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The deal could see all US troops
withdrawn from Afghanistan
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within the next 14 months,
provided the militant group
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upholds its commitment.
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Watching things unfold the way
they did was extremely painful,
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and I did consider leaving
my position.
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We were just kind of pulling
the rug out from the Afghans.
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You know, these people that we had
supported for the last 20 years
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and we were just
sort of handing the country
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over to the
Taliban like a birthday cake.
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APPLAUSE
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CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
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When I saw the agreement,
I personally felt betrayed
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on, on every level, and outraged
at what was in the agreement.
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There was no mention of the
Islamic Republic of Afghanistan.
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No brackets, nothing,
not even a single mention
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of the Afghan National Defence and
Security Forces who had made 70,000,
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over 70,000 sacrifices...
as for this partnership.
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The Taliban were given the status
of a government.
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The last 400 of some 5,000 Taliban
prisoners are now being released.
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These are the most dangerous
and hardened criminals.
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Their release is a precondition
for the start
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of intra-Afghan peace negotiations.
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But lots of questions are
being asked about the wisdom
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of releasing individuals
who might have carried out
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very recent attacks.
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We were forced to do this,
and although we were not willing,
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there was a lot of
pressure from the American side
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that this has to happen.
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So, it happened.
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{\an8}We were always saying that this sort
of peace agreements are not
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{\an8}going to work in a country
like Afghanistan.
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{\an8}But unfortunately, no-one
was listening to us.
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January 2020,
I became the corps commander
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in the north of Afghanistan.
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Our intelligence services noticed
that the Taliban were making
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advances to those areas
that we already cleared.
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Those 5,000 prisoners
who were released,
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we arrested a few of them
that were newly released
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in our operations in the north.
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We got them with weapons and we got
them in an active firefight
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in that operation.
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I got a call from
General Scott Miller,
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Resolute Support Commander.
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"There is a lot of complaints
that you are violating the deal."
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I asked them, what have I violated?
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General Miller said,
"Look, you are violating the deal
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"between the US and Taliban,
the peace deal."
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I said, "This is not our agreement."
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"If it was a deal between US
and Taliban, how did I violate that?
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"What is my job as an Afghan
soldier?
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"Should I defend my country?
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"We can't leave Afghanistan
in hands of terrorists."
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The thing that struck me
the most on arrival in Kabul
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{\an8}was how unbelievably intense
the security arrangements were.
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{\an8}Maybe three weeks or so after
I'd arrived in the country,
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{\an8}the Afghan Central Election
Commission declared Ashraf Ghani
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the victor in the disputed
election.
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I was chairman for the inauguration.
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I had organised that event.
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So I had not slept the whole night.
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CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
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The atmosphere was normal...
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..until about maybe 15 minutes
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or so into President Ghani's
inaugural address.
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HE CONTINUES HIS ADDRESS
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While President Ghani
was giving his speech,
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the rocket happened.
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EXPLOSIONS
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The one that was closest to us was,
I believe, less than 200 metres
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from our location.
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I was scared if people would rush
to leave.
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So 100 people might die.
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And some people tried to make a run
for it.
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The women behind me were, were
trying to exit, but there was no way
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for them to leave.
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So I went to the stage behind Ghani
and called everyone to calm.
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And President Ghani didn't move,
he didn't budge.
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He stayed where he was.
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Then it suddenly it turned
to a moment of triumph.
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Everyone started chanting.
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CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
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The president had demonstrated
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a considerable bravery and courage
in going on.
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You know, tearing open his shirt
to show that he had no vest
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was a public demonstration of that.
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I wished that could have continued.
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But that was a small
moment of resilience.
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I wish what he showed there, he
could have showed later on as well.
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He didn't.
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I was in London.
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I had a telephone call and I was
asked to join a negotiation team.
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"A dialogue with Taliban
is very important and you know
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"how to talk to them."
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And my answer was no, because I was
sick, I was tired, but I thought
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about it - OK, it is a huge
honour to be one of the four women
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and one of the only 21 delegates
to be there.
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So, I accepted it.
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I thought, why not?
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Why not?
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History in the making in Doha
as the Afghan government
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and the Taliban sit down
for peace talks.
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These are the first formal
negotiations between the Afghan
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government and the Taliban
and are aimed at ending
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a 40-year conflict.
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I reached Doha on Thursday.
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I am very frank about it
that I was extremely nervous.
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I was so nervous that
there were times that actually
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I felt dizzy.
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Because I did work with Taliban,
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but if I got in touch with them,
it was through phone.
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It was not face-to-face.
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I didn't know how to face a group
of people who would feel that women
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are not equal to men.
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This was my first time I was seeing
those who have killed my father.
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I didn't want more Afghans to die
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because I knew what it means
to lose...
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a member of your family, you know?
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So we should stop this bloodshed.
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That's why I was there.
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At the beginning of the talks,
President Ghani and people
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very close to him had too
much optimism that they will win
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and everything will be all right.
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And I was wondering,
why do they have this illusion?
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They say, "Oh, very soon
there will be an election
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"and President Biden will win."
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CHEERING
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Hello, hello! Hello, hello!
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CHEERING
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It's a good night!
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After almost half a century
on the national political stage,
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Democrat Joe Biden has defeated
President Donald Trump to become
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the 46th president
of the United States.
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It's over!
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With the new Biden administration,
things changed very quickly.
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I reached out to Washington
and delivered my intention
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that I would like to visit
and have discussions early on.
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And what they said was reassuring.
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It was that they are going to take
the US-Taliban agreement
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for what it is, and there are
conditions the Taliban have not met.
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And so that was music to my ear.
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I think President Ghani hoped
and expected that there
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might be a relook at the US-Taliban
agreement, and in particular,
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a relook at the whole matter
of the withdrawal of US forces
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by May 1st, 2021.
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My response to him was
that he should be very careful
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about making assumptions.
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I said, "Are we forgetting that when
Mr Biden,
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"was Vice President,
was encouraging President Obama
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"to leave Afghanistan.
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"Why would he change his mind?
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"Why wouldn't he get out of
Afghanistan?"
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He said that this
was a "God-forsaken country".
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That was one of
his favourite formulations.
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It wasn't going to end up
where we would like it to end up,
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that he had
argued this many times before
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and he launched a review
of the policy.
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I turned to the
Secretary of State, Tony Blinken,
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and I said,
"Do we really need the review?
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"I thought we got
the president's decision."
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We were sitting with Taliban,
talking.
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When we knew that President Biden
is going to give a speech
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regarding Afghanistan,
although we were sitting
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in the dining room,
we could hardly eat.
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We could hardly eat.
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Good afternoon.
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We were thinking
maybe he has some sanity
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and he's an experienced
politician.
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And he knows what are the
consequences of withdrawal.
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I'm now the fourth United States
president to preside over
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American troop presence
in Afghanistan.
483
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:24,440
I will not pass this responsibility
on to a fifth.
484
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:29,120
US troops, as well as forces
deployed by our NATO allies
485
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,040
and operational partners,
486
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:35,440
will be out of Afghanistan
before we mark the 20th anniversary
487
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,920
of that heinous
attack on September 11th.
488
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:39,960
Wow.
489
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,680
It was a shock and it was a shock...
490
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:50,080
And I said, "Wow, how our future
is dependent on others' decision."
491
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:55,360
I was asked by CNN immediately
after that speech
492
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:56,720
{\an8}to give my comment.
493
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:02,240
{\an8}What are you asking of
the US and other NATO members
494
00:36:02,240 --> 00:36:03,920
{\an8}that would help?
495
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,520
{\an8}We have to work this together.
496
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:07,880
{\an8}We have to.
497
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:12,600
{\an8}We simply... Otherwise, Afghanistan
will go through a sheer hell.
498
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:13,880
{\an8}We...
499
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:17,000
{\an8}I don't think that the anger
that I felt,
500
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:21,680
{\an8}that ever in my life,
I felt that kind of anger.
501
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:25,040
{\an8}I'm not worried about the withdrawal
of troops.
502
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:29,800
{\an8}I'm worried about the withdrawal
of troops without peace intact.
503
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:31,480
This is our way.
504
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,320
That night I was in Doha.
505
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,560
That point was a turning point.
506
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:45,400
Next day, Taliban was so smiling
and laughing and...
507
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,960
When he announced a complete
withdrawal, I think
508
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:51,360
it was devastating.
509
00:36:53,240 --> 00:36:58,440
It was depressing to see the Biden
administration basically
510
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,360
going down the same path
that the Trump administration
511
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:02,520
had gone down.
512
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:07,560
The hope was that President Biden
would agree to keep a certain number
513
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:12,360
of forces there - there were about
3,500 US forces there at the time -
514
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:17,200
and this would have been enough
to continue to fight terrorism
515
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,840
and support the Afghan security
forces.
516
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:23,200
I could see Taliban was not
serious in negotiation, I left.
517
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,840
I left Doha for Kabul,
518
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,920
for preparing the ground for our
resistance.
519
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:46,360
At Bagram Air Base,
520
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:50,200
what was once a symbol of America's
superpower presence,
521
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,520
much of the complex is deserted.
522
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:58,160
The abandoned vehicles - a sign
of the hasty exit, which has seen
523
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,200
many troops head home for
the 4th of July.
524
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:07,360
When Bagram was vacated, the Afghan
security forces were not
525
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:08,640
informed in time.
526
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:15,720
The neighbours in Bagram had found
out first because they noticed
527
00:38:15,720 --> 00:38:18,280
the lights were turned off.
528
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:22,160
And then we visited and heard
the stories of the first people
529
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:23,600
who arrived there.
530
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,960
One of the story was that when
they first arrived,
531
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,280
they saw vehicles on the runway
whose headlights were on,
532
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,800
the engines were on,
the doors were open,
533
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:37,880
and it was, it was parked
in the middle of the runway, meaning
534
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:41,840
that the last soldiers who left
literally ran for it.
535
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:45,760
From an Afghan's perspective,
536
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,480
the signal that sent was
abandonment.
537
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,240
It felt betrayal.
538
00:38:50,240 --> 00:38:54,800
And those signals were then
amplified by the Taliban, who wanted
539
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:59,760
to see the Americans shamed and hurt
the morale of the Afghan forces.
540
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:14,560
The Taliban was in control of 20%
of Afghanistan's districts in April.
541
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:16,240
Now, it's more than 50%.
542
00:39:16,240 --> 00:39:18,600
WHISTLING AND GUNSHOTS RING OUT
543
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,200
And the armed groups' grasp
is getting ever closer
544
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:22,800
to the capital, Kabul.
545
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,160
SHOUTING
546
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:31,160
Washington was very, very concerned
about the melting away
547
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,120
of Afghan forces.
548
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:41,840
In June 2021, we saw some advances
from Taliban side.
549
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:48,720
We realised Taliban has changed
their approach to the fight, and now
550
00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:53,520
they are focusing on sending
elders on negotiations.
551
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:02,440
Our local leaders
approached the local military people
552
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,520
and that worked.
553
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,320
They started joining our forces,
554
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:11,160
because they were not
receiving their salaries for months.
555
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:14,160
So there was a lot of resentments.
556
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:22,240
I got a call at 9:00 in the morning
from President Ghani
557
00:40:22,240 --> 00:40:24,440
and he was very pissed.
558
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,160
And he told me,
"Alizai, you promised me
559
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,680
"that none of the provinces
or districts
560
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:32,880
"will be fallen to the Taliban.
What's happening?"
561
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:38,680
I told him 37 district centres
fallen in last one month.
562
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:43,240
All of them were taken
in a result of local
563
00:40:43,240 --> 00:40:46,240
negotiations, elders' involvements.
564
00:40:46,240 --> 00:40:47,800
I don't control that.
565
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:54,160
And I said, "Sir, I promised Taliban
won't take any places by force,
566
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,480
"but I never promised that they
won't take
567
00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,920
"any places without fighting.
568
00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:03,920
"I'm fighting in more than
100 spots, every 24 hours.
569
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:07,760
"That's my job. It's not my job
policing every checkpoint
570
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:09,760
"in every base."
571
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:13,200
"Local commanders, local
politicians, who are not happy
572
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,080
"with the Ghani government."
573
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:34,880
A meeting took place.
574
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:39,760
President Ghani devoted maybe half
of his remarks to...
575
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,000
to the security situation
576
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,960
and then for the other half,
spoke at great length
577
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:50,600
on a whole variety of relatively
arcane economic matters,
578
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:55,200
that seemed incongruous, given
what was happening in the country.
579
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:56,680
MAN SPEAKS IN AGITATED VOICE
580
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:05,520
I would tell him,
"Shouldn't you actually be focusing
581
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:09,360
"on the military situation,
the security situation
582
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:13,480
"that is getting more
and more difficult?"
583
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:15,120
CHILD CRIES, WOMAN SPEAKS
584
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,560
Some of the advisers
to the president were telling him
585
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:21,560
that he shouldn't be seen
as solely focused on security,
586
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:25,880
that that would create more panic
and that there needed
587
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,200
to be an essence of normalcy.
588
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:29,320
WOMAN SHOUTS ANGRILY
589
00:42:35,240 --> 00:42:38,400
He always would pick up
wrong fight in the wrong time.
590
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,160
But if you would tell him,
he would be angry.
591
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:47,000
As a chief of staff,
I have to work with him.
592
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,840
But as a president, he had already
lost credibility.
593
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:57,200
At the time, things were happening
so fast.
594
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:02,600
There really was no time for many of
the decisions that were made.
595
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,280
The Taliban have just seized
a provincial capital
596
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:06,920
as they make gains...
597
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:11,800
We have two eyewitnesses confirming
that the city of Zaranj has fallen.
598
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:15,800
360,000 people have been forced
to flee their homes
599
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:17,280
in the last week.
600
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:18,840
Half of them are children.
601
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:24,080
{\an8}TRANSLATION: The reason for our
current situation
602
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:27,600
{\an8}is that the decision to withdraw
was taken abruptly.
603
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:31,800
{\an8}The fall of provinces was deeply,
deeply concerning to us.
604
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:39,440
Less and less was standing
between the Talib forces advancing
605
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:40,680
toward Kabul.
606
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,600
Unarmoured vehicles. We're focused
on the security situation
607
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:48,400
that we face now, which, again,
we've acknowledged is deteriorating.
608
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:52,280
Has your current plan to withdraw
US troops changed at all?
609
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,920
No. They've got to fight for
themselves.
610
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:59,240
At 7pm on 14 August,
611
00:43:59,240 --> 00:44:02,440
we had a call
with Secretary Blinken.
612
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,920
And these reports are deeply
disturbing.
613
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,680
Ghani said to him, he is ready
to step down
614
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,080
for a political settlement.
615
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:20,880
I could hear from the other side
a relief, from the Blinken side.
616
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,800
He welcomed Ghani's decision.
617
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:29,280
And President Ghani agreed
that a delegation, including Karzai
618
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:33,840
and myself too, will go to Doha
and negotiate with the Taliban.
619
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:39,480
I was instructed to engage
the Talib, so I had a series
620
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:41,520
of meetings with the Talibs.
621
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:46,800
I wanted them to agree
to a political arrangement,
622
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:50,920
an inclusive government
that would have individuals
623
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,360
from the other side,
50-50 government,
624
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:57,280
with someone that was mutually
acceptable heading that government.
625
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,480
And we worked together on
a statement
626
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:03,400
that the Talibs would issue - one,
that they will not enter Kabul.
627
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:08,800
Two, that they would welcome
a delegation from Kabul to negotiate
628
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:12,560
on an inclusive government
and a transfer of power
629
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:15,440
to that government
from President Ghani.
630
00:45:16,720 --> 00:45:20,200
The Taliban's statement
came out, that the statement
631
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:22,520
they will not enter Kabul.
632
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,160
We were kind of relieved -
all of us - finally.
633
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,880
OK, now things will be OK.
634
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:34,960
President Ghani had to keep
his promise, that he will stay
635
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:40,120
while the politicians come
to Doha and sign a contract
636
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:41,360
with the Taliban.
637
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:44,960
So you would have had a government,
not a chaos.
638
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:46,720
I believed him.
639
00:45:46,720 --> 00:45:49,680
I believed that he will stay
till the end.
640
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:58,200
The moment where things changed
is the morning of August 15.
641
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:12,280
I was not expecting anything
big to happen that day.
642
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:17,080
Breakfast went so normal,
that day was normal.
643
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:22,240
I had to attend my 9am
meeting with President Ghani.
644
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:31,120
We said it's time for you to come
public and give a statement
645
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:32,440
to the nation.
646
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,320
People should feel assured
things are OK.
647
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,800
We said
we have to now project a confidence.
648
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:49,920
So, like, Taliban will not enter.
649
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:51,800
We have to control this chaos.
650
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,480
I'm in my office around 9.45
when the chief
651
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:59,560
of the President's Guards come
worried, tells me that Taliban
652
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:02,040
had been spotted in Kabul.
653
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:07,160
And then at 11:00,
we hear firings outside the palace.
654
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:09,120
RAPID GUNFIRE
655
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:16,000
Hearing shots in Kabul was a norm.
656
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:20,120
But this day, the assumption
everybody made was the Taliban
657
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:22,000
are now around the palace.
658
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:26,680
More worrying news starts coming up.
659
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:28,840
Districts around Kabul
have collapsed,
660
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:33,200
but I was in a good place, because
I was aware of the behind scenes.
661
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:36,840
Taliban was already telling us
"we will not enter the city."
662
00:47:42,240 --> 00:47:47,360
I went back to my office,
and on the way, I meet my deputy.
663
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:50,360
He says, "People are panicking
and they're leaving.
664
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:51,920
"We're losing staff.
665
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:55,080
"People are making the run
for the gates."
666
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:58,480
And I see my assistant coming
in with a tray himself.
667
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:03,520
I looked at him, "Where is
the...the boy who serves the tea?"
668
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:08,000
He looked at me in a, in a funny
way and said, "Gone."
669
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:09,640
SIREN WAILS
670
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:19,320
Thousands of Taliban fighters now
were seen approaching Kabul
671
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:21,280
from all sides.
672
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:26,000
And there were reports that at least
some units were already in the city.
673
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:32,640
This was alarming in itself
because it directly contradicted
674
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:36,520
assurances that we had received
from the Taliban in Doha
675
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:40,600
that their forces would halt
before they got to the city.
676
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:50,000
We instructed our forces to remain
at the gate of the Kabul city.
677
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:57,360
But we heard very bad news
from the city that there are bandits
678
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:01,000
looting people, plundering
properties, killing people.
679
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:04,920
And the government officials
and police and military
680
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,200
have left their posts.
681
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:12,640
Everybody was worried. There was
a sense of...a sense of panic.
682
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:16,320
Decisions are being made at a fast
pace of, what can be done?
683
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:18,840
What can be done at this situation?
684
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:27,400
The Afghan security forces manning
the checkpoints and controlling
685
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,560
movements within Kabul's Green Zone,
686
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:33,440
those people had abandoned
their posts.
687
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:39,920
So, people and cars and trucks
are now moving through checkpoints
688
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:42,680
that were meant to stop them and
protect us.
689
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:49,280
Faced with the risk of finding
ourselves marooned,
690
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:52,120
I recommended our immediate
evacuation.
691
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:03,200
It has to have been terrifying
for our staff, you know,
692
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:08,200
that had to very abruptly stop
everything that they're doing,
693
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:12,440
abandon their apartments,
abandon their possessions.
694
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:17,120
Take a suitcase with them
to a future that was uncertain
695
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:19,840
as to where they were going
exactly.
696
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:25,360
It... It was an awful day.
697
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:34,280
There is news of the Americans
having left the Green Zone
698
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:36,600
and their embassy and burned
everything.
699
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:39,560
All of this is
unfolding very, very quickly.
700
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:42,160
Every minute, the realities
are changing,
701
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:43,600
and not just one reality.
702
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:45,400
There is multiple realities
happening -
703
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:49,080
political situation changing,
the military situation changing,
704
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:52,320
the negotiations tactic,
the Taliban, our negotiations
705
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:53,760
{\an8}with the Americans.
706
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:57,840
{\an8}I mean, we have just heard a nonstop
stream of choppers all morning
707
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,920
{\an8}going back and forth from
the embassy to the airport.
708
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:05,000
The Taliban are now very much
outside the gates of Kabul.
709
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:09,440
A city in panic.
710
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:11,920
People desperate to leave.
711
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:15,280
Taking what they can,
fearing a bloody assault.
712
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:18,960
More signs of panic at the banks.
713
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:21,640
People lining up to take
out their savings.
714
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:30,040
It's something around ten or 15 past
one o'clock, we start walking
715
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:31,840
to president's residence.
716
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:37,240
To my surprise, I was expecting
more was there.
717
00:51:37,240 --> 00:51:38,800
But it was not there.
718
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,960
I was at the area
where the helipads are.
719
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:44,600
There are four helipads made
for specifically
720
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:48,760
for the four helicopter fleet
that the president had.
721
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:52,960
The president's security
looked very, very nervous.
722
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:57,520
And they tell me that the third
helicopter could not even fly
723
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:04,360
because an armed individual entered
in another helicopter, was shot,
724
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:07,480
when it was trying to leave
the airport to go and pick
725
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:10,080
up the Minister of Defence.
726
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:14,120
He told me, "Take the president
now before it's too late."
727
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:22,200
I head to the president's residence
and take the first lady.
728
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:25,480
And I told him, I said,
"Mr President, it is time."
729
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:27,400
He understood.
730
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:29,120
My tone was very serious.
731
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:33,560
And so he said, "Fine, let me go
upstairs and gather some stuff."
732
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:36,800
And I said, "No, there is no time.
It's now or never."
733
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:40,840
After lunch we came out.
734
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:44,200
It's around, I think 1.45
or something.
735
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:45,800
Sound of a helicopter.
736
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:47,320
HELICOPTER BLADES BEAT
737
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:53,960
I received a call from
Minister of Foreign Affairs.
738
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:56,400
He called me,
he said, "Where are you?"
739
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:58,440
I told him, I'm in palace.
740
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:00,160
He said, "Where is the boss?"
741
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:05,560
I told him he was with us half
an hour ago and he went home.
742
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:07,320
And he told me, "No."
743
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:14,480
I was sitting in the lobby
of our hotel in Doha.
744
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:18,200
I was having a meeting about
this peace negotiations.
745
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:20,400
And when they are coming.
746
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:23,880
Matin called and I said to him,
"What's wrong?"
747
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:26,280
He said that the president
has run away.
748
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:28,880
When I say that,
"Really, he has run away?"
749
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:31,720
He said,
"Yes, the bastard has run away."
750
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:37,960
We had a small window
751
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:41,640
for an imperfect settlement.
752
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:46,880
President Ghani is responsible
for killing that small window
753
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:51,760
of peace that could have prevented
the humiliation we suffered.
754
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:55,360
When he ran away,
everything collapsed.
755
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:01,960
RAPID GUNFIRE
756
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:06,360
Gunshots have been heard at a number
of points around Kabul.
757
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:11,400
A crush of people pushing,
shoving, screaming, children.
758
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:16,200
People here in the capital are
utterly petrified and essentially
759
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:18,240
have nowhere to look to now.
760
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:23,640
I managed to get in a secure place
at the airport,
761
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:26,440
but I could see a lot
of horrible things.
762
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:31,680
Seeing thousands of people
storming the airport.
763
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:34,920
And I was there when I saw
the big plane took off
764
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:36,480
and the guy fall down.
765
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:41,520
Around noon or afternoon,
we managed to leave.
766
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:43,320
Our plane took off to Turkey.
767
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:48,440
My family was in Kabul.
768
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:51,680
All my friends, my colleagues
were in Kabul.
769
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:55,000
It was a feeling just I'm leaving
for a moment.
770
00:54:56,000 --> 00:55:00,040
It was not a feeling of
I'm leaving the country forever.
771
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:09,120
As we fly over Kabul
from the palace,
772
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:14,480
we could see the smoke coming out
in a distance from Bagram Air Base.
773
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:19,000
The city looked deserted and there
was, there seemed chaos in parts
774
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:20,320
of the city.
775
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:33,960
Afghanistan has new masters.
776
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:35,800
The Taliban are back.
777
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:40,320
Hours after arriving in Kabul,
sitting at the president's desk.
778
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:49,120
And it was a very happy moment,
a moment of joy,
779
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:52,800
a dream being realised.
780
00:55:57,240 --> 00:56:00,920
It was a tragic ending
for the Afghan people.
781
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:07,720
It's heartbreaking for families
who lost loved ones in Afghanistan
782
00:56:07,720 --> 00:56:10,600
who worked so hard to give
that country a chance.
783
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:19,800
I have talked to people
here who have been waiting
784
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:21,560
for two days.
785
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:22,880
Two days.
786
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:27,720
21,000 flown out in the past
24 hours.
787
00:56:27,720 --> 00:56:31,560
The clock is ticking because
rescuing refugees will soon
788
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:33,880
have to give way to removing troops.
789
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:39,600
I was one of four people
from the American embassy in Kabul
790
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:41,560
who stayed to the very end.
791
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:46,560
At around 10.30 on the night
of the 30th,
792
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:52,360
we were asked to come and get
on buses to go out to the tarmac.
793
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:58,280
We filed on board,
the engines revved up.
794
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:03,360
That was the last plane
out of Afghanistan.
795
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:09,480
It was very quiet
when we...when we took off.
796
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:15,840
You know, hindsight is 20/20.
797
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:25,640
We did the best we could with
the information that was available
798
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:26,880
to us at the time.
799
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:29,040
That effort wasn't successful.
800
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:34,080
And everybody who is involved
has got to carry that with them.
801
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:08,360
The US came for revenge.
802
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:12,640
We helped the US to go after
Al Qaida, and then they left us
803
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:15,000
on our own to be butchered.
804
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:17,920
GUNFIRE
805
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:23,760
Afghan people have made such a big
sacrifice.
806
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:26,600
We don't have an army.
807
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:30,240
We don't have a police,
the institutions have collapsed.
808
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:34,080
We should not talk about
a republic side or a Taliban side,
809
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:37,480
but what is good for the people
of Afghanistan?
810
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:39,520
The war has not ended for us.
811
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:43,920
It's still a continuing war,
and we're paying for that.
812
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:47,360
All the Afghans are victims of this.
813
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:50,800
So we are the victim of these big
empty promises.
814
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:55,640
Promises,
all those empty promises.
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