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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:04,320 In the middle of that sofa, if that's possible. 2 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:13,320 {\an8}When we knew that President Biden is going to give a speech 3 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:16,400 {\an8}regarding Afghanistan, we could hardly eat. 4 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:22,880 {\an8}I think we all had mixed feelings. 5 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:28,720 {\an8}We were both optimistic in one view, but at the same time concerned. 6 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:34,880 {\an8}The President's announcement didn't impact the US life. 7 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:38,320 {\an8}It impacted our life. 8 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:45,320 {\an8}PRESIDENT BIDEN: I'm speaking to you today from the Treaty Room 9 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:46,520 {\an8}in the White House. 10 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:52,720 We went to Afghanistan in 2001 to root out Al-Qaeda, to prevent 11 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:55,200 future terrorist attacks against the United States 12 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:57,880 planned from Afghanistan. 13 00:00:57,880 --> 00:00:58,920 We did that. 14 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:02,400 Osama bin Laden's gone. 15 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:04,080 That was ten years ago. 16 00:01:05,519 --> 00:01:09,280 Some of us could see that this is the end. 17 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:13,520 I've concluded that it's time to end America's longest war. 18 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:16,800 It's time for American troops to come home. 19 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:17,840 Wow. 20 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:21,760 Leaving unconditionally? 21 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:23,600 Why would anyone do this? 22 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:36,000 REPORTER: The Taliban was in control of 20% of Afghanistan's districts 23 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:38,320 in April. Now it's more than 50%. 24 00:01:41,960 --> 00:01:44,600 US as a power, it's an elephant. 25 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:48,000 It walks in a room, doesn't know what happens. 26 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:49,280 MAN SHOUTS, CROWD RESPONDS 27 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:51,640 Walks out. 28 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:54,240 The Taliban advance appears unstoppable. 29 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:56,880 Regional capitals are falling like dominoes. 30 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:02,080 You look at it from an Afghan's perspective, it felt abandonment. 31 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:03,320 It felt betrayal. 32 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:12,600 We had a small window for an imperfect peace. 33 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:16,920 That could have prevented the humiliation we suffered. 34 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:21,680 It was a prescription for a disaster. 35 00:02:35,920 --> 00:02:39,480 BARACK OBAMA: For the first time since 9/11, our combat mission 36 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:41,160 in Afghanistan is over. 37 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:43,520 APPLAUSE 38 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:49,800 Six years ago, nearly 180,000 American troops served 39 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:52,040 in Iraq and Afghanistan. 40 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:54,360 Today, fewer than 15,000 remain. 41 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:58,840 REPORTER: Obviously, all UK combat forces are out. 42 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:03,720 The US is leaving a rump force of some 12,000 or 13,000 in country 43 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:07,160 but in essence... It's now Afghan security forces who bear the brunt 44 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:10,480 of the fighting and the casualties, in a conflict... 45 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:52,360 And welcome to Washington, DC. A country which stands on the cusp 46 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:55,760 of making a historic decision... When Americans vote tomorrow... 47 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:58,960 If he wins, America will have taken a step into the unknown 48 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:02,320 with a leader who cast doubts on international agreements. 49 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:06,840 Both America and the world will be entering a new and uncertain world. 50 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:08,440 DONALD TRUMP: Thank you. 51 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:10,800 CHEERING 52 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:15,840 We will stop racing to topple foreign... 53 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:21,640 And you understand this - foreign regimes that we know nothing about, 54 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:24,840 that we shouldn't be involved with. Instead, our focus... 55 00:04:24,840 --> 00:04:29,280 I was in Kabul. I was very sleepy and my husband wanted to stay awake. 56 00:04:29,280 --> 00:04:32,120 He was convinced that Mrs Clinton will win. 57 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:37,000 And I said, "I'm going to sleep because I know Mr Trump will win." 58 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:42,200 My husband looked at me with a huge surprise. "Why? Why would he win?" 59 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:45,520 I joked and I said, "For my entertainment." 60 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:51,560 From now on, it's going to be America first. 61 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:53,720 America first. 62 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:58,320 When I woke up and I see my husband with a surprised face 63 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:00,840 that actually he did win, 64 00:05:00,840 --> 00:05:03,440 and then for us in Afghanistan, 65 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:06,520 things changed dramatically after that. 66 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:22,160 I retired from the US military in February of 2016. 67 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:26,640 I got a phone call from the Trump team. 68 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:31,600 He needed someone to make the staff work better, and I said, 69 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:34,960 "I don't want to do this if I can avoid it," you know, etc, etc. 70 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:37,440 And he said, "Well, why don't you come see me Monday morning 71 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:40,040 "and we'll make a decision on it?" And I thought, "OK, good. 72 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:43,000 "I can spend the weekend thinking up excuses as to why 73 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:44,680 "I shouldn't be the Chief of Staff." 74 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:48,400 And then shortly after that, I got a phone call. 75 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:51,400 Someone said, "Hey, he just tweeted you're the new Chief of Staff." 76 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:53,240 Please place your left hand on the Bible. 77 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:55,960 I was totally stunned that he'd have done that. 78 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:59,560 I, John Francis Kelly... I, John Francis Kelly. 79 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:05,480 Trump had a huge number of preconceived notions. 80 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:07,880 You know, "Why are we there, and what's the point?" 81 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:13,000 Afghanistan is a total and complete disaster. 82 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:16,120 Let's get with it. Get out of Afghanistan. 83 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:19,280 We've wasted billions and billions of dollars. 84 00:06:19,280 --> 00:06:24,880 It's startling to me how little he understood about how our country 85 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:29,080 got to Afghanistan and what we were trying to accomplish. 86 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:33,040 Just kept going back to these campaign rhetoric rants 87 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:35,320 about, "They're not worth it. Who cares? 88 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:36,840 "I know more than the generals. 89 00:06:36,840 --> 00:06:39,120 "I know more than everybody about this topic." 90 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:42,200 {\an8}All right. 91 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:51,880 {\an8}So several of us were in the briefing room 92 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:55,560 {\an8}getting ready to brief President Trump, 93 00:06:55,560 --> 00:07:00,080 and he just sort of looked at me and rolled his eyes with a look of, 94 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,320 you know, "Do I really have to focus on this right now?" 95 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:09,600 It's frustrating being a person who's followed the region for many, 96 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:14,640 many years to hear, you know, the President really looking 97 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:20,440 at the issue mainly through a domestic political lens 98 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:25,920 and not really understanding the very critical stakes 99 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,960 for the world, really. 100 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:33,640 My sense is this guy really needed help. 101 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:40,920 Every president, more or less, takes the month of August off. 102 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:45,159 Mr Trump would go to Bedminster to play golf. 103 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:52,560 I brought in the CIA director, Mike Pompeo, and they just talked 104 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:56,080 about Afghanistan the way it is today, what it will look like. 105 00:07:57,360 --> 00:07:59,880 Then General Mattis came up to talk about the military 106 00:07:59,880 --> 00:08:03,560 and how we were operating there. What would be lost if we withdrew. 107 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:06,880 For sure, we don't want to give the terrorists the opportunity 108 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:08,840 to have a safe haven again. 109 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:12,640 Eventually, at the end of the Bedminster discussion, 110 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:15,440 he said, "I got it," and agreed. 111 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:02,280 When President Trump was elected, then he relaxed authority. 112 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:03,800 The thing changed. 113 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:07,560 There was air support, special operation. 114 00:09:07,560 --> 00:09:10,520 But those days, we were able to change the game. 115 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:18,200 I had mobilised 24,000...24,000 116 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:21,800 local people to resist against Taliban 117 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:23,840 in entire north and northeast. 118 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:26,200 We were able to contain Taliban back. 119 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:29,240 We did it. 120 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:35,920 I think General Kelly had a great deal to do with moving the President 121 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:40,160 from a position of completely opposing having US forces 122 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:44,560 in Afghanistan to a position where he actually agreed to increase 123 00:09:44,560 --> 00:09:46,240 the level of US forces. 124 00:09:49,680 --> 00:09:53,840 But once General Kelly left, everything really broke down. 125 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,480 I've had a lot of tough jobs. I've never given up on any of them, 126 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:01,200 but I'd reached my limit at the White House. 127 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:04,120 He was clearly not listening to me 128 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:07,600 as much as he once did. 129 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:12,600 He was less and less open to these, you know, staff efforts 130 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:16,040 to get him involved in things. 131 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:20,040 That was the point at which I felt as though I'd probably had enough. 132 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:25,440 I just said to him, "Sir, whoever you choose to take my place, 133 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:29,280 "don't choose a boot-licker or a yes man. 134 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:32,800 "That would be a disaster." 135 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:36,000 And the President said, "Well, maybe what I need is a yes man." 136 00:10:38,680 --> 00:10:42,720 After I left, I was surprised all of a sudden that he changed his mind 137 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:44,880 again on Afghanistan. 138 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:47,600 And that's when we started to talk to the Taliban. 139 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:06,720 I was in a car being driven down to Fox News in Washington, 140 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:08,120 to do an interview. 141 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:10,840 PHONE RINGS 142 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:14,280 It was the White House operator, and the president came on the line 143 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:18,280 and I said something inspiring, like, "Hello, Mr President." 144 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:21,160 He said, "Look, I want to offer you the most powerful job 145 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:22,360 "in the White House." 146 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:24,400 And then he said, "No, no, no, I don't mean the chief 147 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:26,800 "of staff job," and we both broke out laughing. 148 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:29,720 To me, that signalled that the current chief of staff 149 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:30,800 was in the room. 150 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:34,320 It was probably about a month later I became National Security Adviser. 151 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:38,680 Mr Secretary, so good to see you. Thank you for inviting me over. 152 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:44,360 But then, within a few weeks, I took a call that would change 153 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:45,800 {\an8}the whole situation. 154 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:53,120 {\an8}Zal had been my successor 155 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:56,360 {\an8}as US ambassador to the UN and I'd known him for a long time. 156 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:05,320 I was born in northern Afghanistan in a city called Mazar-i-Sharif. 157 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:11,240 I was selected in the 11th grade to come to America 158 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:13,640 as a foreign exchange student, 159 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:18,480 and that year had a great impact on the trajectory of my life. 160 00:12:20,560 --> 00:12:24,960 I went to the State Department during Ronald Reagan's period 161 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:29,880 and worked on both Afghanistan and Iraq wars. 162 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:33,000 The United Nations overwhelmingly has called for the withdrawal 163 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:34,960 of the Soviet troops, unconditionally. 164 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:38,920 Zal was well known, certainly in Republican circles, as somebody 165 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:42,480 who, having been born and raised in Afghanistan, knew 166 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:44,120 the country well. 167 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:46,800 And he told me that he had been approached by some people 168 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:49,600 who claimed they spoke for the Taliban. 169 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:59,600 I was at the Four Seasons Hotel in Abu Dhabi when someone presenting 170 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:04,240 himself as the head of the Taliban office in Dubai said 171 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:08,600 that he has a message for me from the Taliban leaders 172 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:11,520 and that they're interested in a political settlement. 173 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:14,280 He said, "We believe you are well connected in the US. 174 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:17,760 "If you could pass this message to Washington." 175 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:20,040 Did they really speak for Taliban? 176 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:23,160 Would this be a channel of communication? 177 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:26,240 I said, let's stay in touch and let me know how it develops. 178 00:13:33,560 --> 00:13:36,240 The day after the mid-term Congressional election, 179 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:39,240 we had a big meeting in the Oval Office to talk about 180 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:44,040 whether this diplomatic approach by Khalilzad had any chance of success. 181 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:49,960 Trump believed that the announcement of a settlement would meet 182 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:54,160 his campaign promises to end the endless wars. 183 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:57,480 So what he saw was that it was mostly 184 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:00,280 another PR opportunity for him. 185 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:02,480 I thought it was a bad idea. 186 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:05,800 I feared that it could result in Trump flat out saying, 187 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:09,280 "you need to withdraw from Afghanistan." 188 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:14,120 I got a call from the Secretary of State, Mike Pompeo. 189 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:18,240 He told me what the president was thinking about Afghanistan, 190 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:21,280 that he wanted to reduce the burden dramatically. 191 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:24,720 "We would like you to lead that effort." 192 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:28,160 I asked them what the reduction of burden meant. 193 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:29,400 What did that mean? 194 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:31,160 And he said to withdraw. 195 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:36,720 Trump basically said you can have until February the 14th and come 196 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:38,680 {\an8}back with a way to get out. 197 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:44,760 {\an8}We are not against the people of America. 198 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:50,920 {\an8}We are against their policy of occupation. 199 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:55,680 {\an8}We approached Mr Khalilzad. 200 00:14:56,760 --> 00:15:03,000 They wanted an honourable exit from Afghanistan, and we said, 201 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:05,040 we will provide you with that. 202 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:14,360 We had nonstop talks for six days. 203 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:21,400 Ambassador Khalilzad felt he was under a lot of pressure 204 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:26,600 to make quick progress because President Trump had become 205 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:29,480 very impatient with the Afghanistan war. 206 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:33,440 The Taliban were sceptical that the US would actually ever 207 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:35,600 withdraw after 20 years of war. 208 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:41,240 So he brought in some military officials to provide briefings 209 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:46,640 to the Taliban, showing where US forces were, what a withdrawal 210 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:47,760 would look like. 211 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:52,640 And as one of the military officials was rolling out the whiteboard 212 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:57,720 with sort of the information on it, the Taliban leader said, 213 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:00,720 "Oh, look, they're giving us the crown jewels already. 214 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:03,200 "We haven't even started the talks." 215 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:11,320 Ambassador Khalilzad really was just too eager to come to a peace deal, 216 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:13,480 any deal, whether it was a deal 217 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:16,200 that was good for US interests or not. 218 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:21,400 We didn't hear from Zal for long periods of time. 219 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:25,200 We'd hear rumblings about what was being said and we wanted to hear 220 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:29,240 what was going on and why this was being conducted in such 221 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:30,920 a secretive manner. 222 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:34,120 When I felt that the fact that we were having discussions 223 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:38,720 with Taliban, to the exclusion of the Afghan national government, 224 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:40,760 {\an8}would come back to haunt us. 225 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:58,360 {\an8}When I was a student at Brunel University in London, I started 226 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:00,160 {\an8}an Afghan students association. 227 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:04,960 And when Mr Ghani, then, was in London, we invited him to come 228 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:06,640 and speak to our members. 229 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:10,000 I was really impressed with his thoughts about Afghanistan. 230 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:15,119 He had a vision about what we could do to be a developed country again. 231 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:20,280 And when he decided to run for president, I volunteered 232 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:21,880 for his campaign. 233 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:24,440 Vacuums get to be filled. 234 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:27,839 Today they're being filled by Al-Qaeda, by Taliban, 235 00:17:27,839 --> 00:17:31,040 and by criminal elements in local power brokers. 236 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:34,680 I had known President Ghani since we were in high school. 237 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:37,400 He was from a rival high school. 238 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:42,480 There were lots of stories of their rivalry. 239 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:44,760 I know them both from a very long time. 240 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:46,280 Very, very long time. 241 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:52,320 Khalilzad is friendly, accommodating, always very pleasant. 242 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:58,120 With President Ghani, you never knew that what to expect. 243 00:17:58,120 --> 00:18:02,440 One day extremely cheerful, very friendly. 244 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:08,800 The next day, abrupt and nervous and short. 245 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:10,960 It's just for... No further comments. Please. No? 246 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:14,960 Yes. OK. Yeah. Let us do our job rather than deal with the press. 247 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:18,560 So it was very different personalities they had. 248 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:23,920 The insurgency in Afghanistan is a multi-headed phenomenon. 249 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:30,240 He's very comfortable with analysis and advocating, criticising, 250 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:32,440 even in the midst of this deteriorating 251 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:35,080 security situation around Afghanistan. 252 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:38,120 He felt more comfortable in the discussion on the realm 253 00:18:38,120 --> 00:18:42,400 of ideas than he was on some of these other issues. 254 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:54,960 {\an8}I think I was the first Western leader to go and see him in Kabul. 255 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:01,400 {\an8}He was a very capable man. 256 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:02,880 He'd worked at the World Bank. 257 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:06,200 He'd written books about failed states. 258 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:10,040 He was clearly knowledgeable and capable. 259 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:13,320 But sometimes when you spoke with Ashraf Ghani, he would talk 260 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:15,320 about what he was going to do in government. 261 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:18,680 And it sounded like he was describing running a sort 262 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:21,280 of, you know, Western European government 263 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:24,480 where things work and everything is connected up. 264 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:29,480 What the public expects is the same that what the Afghan public expects, 265 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:31,440 a functioning government. 266 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:34,880 The problem is he was pulling levers and he'd find there was nothing 267 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:36,160 attached to them. 268 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:41,520 Just half an hour conversation with President Ghani 269 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:44,680 will tell you that he is full of illusions. 270 00:19:46,120 --> 00:19:48,960 He's talking about an Afghanistan which doesn't exist 271 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:52,560 and what he's saying will not work in Afghanistan. 272 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:57,000 CHILDREN CHATTER INDISTINCTLY 273 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:22,880 I went to Kabul and I met with President Ghani and his team. 274 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:25,920 He said that he had been consulted on my appointment, 275 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:29,600 that he had supported it, and he had put a stack 276 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,240 of briefing slides together. 277 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:35,680 President Ghani took personal time to prepare a brief 278 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:39,000 for Ambassador Khalilzad, and he sat across him, 279 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:40,280 he gave him the briefing. 280 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:41,680 He gave him the notes. 281 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:45,680 He laid his...his vision for what peace, 282 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:47,040 how peace could be achieved. 283 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:51,720 But I got the impression from the beginning that he wanted 284 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:56,440 to play a central role in the negotiating process, personally. 285 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:02,800 I said that obviously that would be great, but that was, as he knew 286 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:06,840 highly unlikely, because for the previous 15, 16 years, 287 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:11,720 we had been waiting for the Talibs to accept the Afghan government, 288 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:13,360 and they had refused. 289 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:19,560 I was in Ministry of Interior and we met Khalilzad. 290 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:21,880 We told him nothing has changed. 291 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:24,200 The Taliban are deceiving you. 292 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:27,200 They are not honest about any negotiation. 293 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,320 They are literally saying, we defeated America 294 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:31,480 and America is leaving. 295 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:33,000 I said, "For God's sake... 296 00:21:35,360 --> 00:21:36,560 "..don't do this." 297 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:37,880 And then you're, like... 298 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,280 "Open your eyes. Wake up. 299 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:42,000 "If you're leaving, leave. 300 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:45,280 "But don't give this terrorist organisation a legitimacy." 301 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,880 In my mind, there was no chance the Taliban were going to meet 302 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:54,640 any material commitment they made once it was clear to the world 303 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,120 that we were withdrawing. 304 00:21:57,120 --> 00:22:00,520 I had a meeting with the president and I said to him, 305 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:02,480 "If you're going to make this argument, 306 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:05,400 "don't do it by giving away the store to the Taliban." 307 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:29,760 Ambassador Khalilzad seemed to think he had an agreement 308 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:33,800 with the Taliban, that everything was, you know, one and done. 309 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:37,520 He wanted to hold a press conference and sort of shove the peace 310 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:39,720 agreement down Ghani's throat. 311 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:52,280 You are witnessing there an historic signing - 312 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:56,360 an agreement between the United States and the Taliban. 313 00:22:56,360 --> 00:22:59,320 The deal could see all US troops withdrawn from Afghanistan 314 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:02,560 within the next 14 months, provided the militant group 315 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:04,080 upholds its commitment. 316 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:10,000 Watching things unfold the way they did was extremely painful, 317 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,840 and I did consider leaving my position. 318 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:17,920 We were just kind of pulling the rug out from the Afghans. 319 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:21,360 You know, these people that we had supported for the last 20 years 320 00:23:21,360 --> 00:23:23,720 and we were just sort of handing the country 321 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,680 over to the Taliban like a birthday cake. 322 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:29,720 APPLAUSE 323 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:33,880 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 324 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:42,440 When I saw the agreement, I personally felt betrayed 325 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:46,520 on, on every level, and outraged at what was in the agreement. 326 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:50,400 There was no mention of the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan. 327 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,440 No brackets, nothing, not even a single mention 328 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:59,920 of the Afghan National Defence and Security Forces who had made 70,000, 329 00:23:59,920 --> 00:24:03,560 over 70,000 sacrifices... as for this partnership. 330 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:09,240 The Taliban were given the status of a government. 331 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:34,000 The last 400 of some 5,000 Taliban prisoners are now being released. 332 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,880 These are the most dangerous and hardened criminals. 333 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,520 Their release is a precondition for the start 334 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,280 of intra-Afghan peace negotiations. 335 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,600 But lots of questions are being asked about the wisdom 336 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:48,080 of releasing individuals who might have carried out 337 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:49,560 very recent attacks. 338 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,360 We were forced to do this, and although we were not willing, 339 00:24:54,360 --> 00:24:56,680 there was a lot of pressure from the American side 340 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:58,440 that this has to happen. 341 00:24:58,440 --> 00:24:59,560 So, it happened. 342 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:10,480 {\an8}We were always saying that this sort of peace agreements are not 343 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,880 {\an8}going to work in a country like Afghanistan. 344 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,200 {\an8}But unfortunately, no-one was listening to us. 345 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,120 January 2020, I became the corps commander 346 00:25:20,120 --> 00:25:22,080 in the north of Afghanistan. 347 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:29,560 Our intelligence services noticed that the Taliban were making 348 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:33,040 advances to those areas that we already cleared. 349 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,200 Those 5,000 prisoners who were released, 350 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:43,640 we arrested a few of them that were newly released 351 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:45,920 in our operations in the north. 352 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:50,200 We got them with weapons and we got them in an active firefight 353 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,200 in that operation. 354 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:55,960 I got a call from General Scott Miller, 355 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,480 Resolute Support Commander. 356 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:04,040 "There is a lot of complaints that you are violating the deal." 357 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,800 I asked them, what have I violated? 358 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:10,680 General Miller said, "Look, you are violating the deal 359 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:15,600 "between the US and Taliban, the peace deal." 360 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,000 I said, "This is not our agreement." 361 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:25,840 "If it was a deal between US and Taliban, how did I violate that? 362 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:29,400 "What is my job as an Afghan soldier? 363 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,360 "Should I defend my country? 364 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,760 "We can't leave Afghanistan in hands of terrorists." 365 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,720 The thing that struck me the most on arrival in Kabul 366 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:54,120 {\an8}was how unbelievably intense the security arrangements were. 367 00:26:59,960 --> 00:27:03,320 {\an8}Maybe three weeks or so after I'd arrived in the country, 368 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:07,040 {\an8}the Afghan Central Election Commission declared Ashraf Ghani 369 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,640 the victor in the disputed election. 370 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,560 I was chairman for the inauguration. 371 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,320 I had organised that event. 372 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,880 So I had not slept the whole night. 373 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:46,640 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 374 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:49,920 The atmosphere was normal... 375 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,040 ..until about maybe 15 minutes 376 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:59,040 or so into President Ghani's inaugural address. 377 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:00,320 HE CONTINUES HIS ADDRESS 378 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,680 While President Ghani was giving his speech, 379 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:08,160 the rocket happened. 380 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,080 EXPLOSIONS 381 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:17,720 The one that was closest to us was, I believe, less than 200 metres 382 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:19,040 from our location. 383 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,040 I was scared if people would rush to leave. 384 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:25,800 So 100 people might die. 385 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:28,640 And some people tried to make a run for it. 386 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:34,320 The women behind me were, were trying to exit, but there was no way 387 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:35,560 for them to leave. 388 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:39,480 So I went to the stage behind Ghani and called everyone to calm. 389 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,920 And President Ghani didn't move, he didn't budge. 390 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:53,080 He stayed where he was. 391 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,360 Then it suddenly it turned to a moment of triumph. 392 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,040 Everyone started chanting. 393 00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:58,960 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 394 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:02,920 The president had demonstrated 395 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,880 a considerable bravery and courage in going on. 396 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,280 You know, tearing open his shirt to show that he had no vest 397 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,480 was a public demonstration of that. 398 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,200 I wished that could have continued. 399 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,760 But that was a small moment of resilience. 400 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,960 I wish what he showed there, he could have showed later on as well. 401 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:27,160 He didn't. 402 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:51,320 I was in London. 403 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:56,040 I had a telephone call and I was asked to join a negotiation team. 404 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,800 "A dialogue with Taliban is very important and you know 405 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:02,440 "how to talk to them." 406 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:08,080 And my answer was no, because I was sick, I was tired, but I thought 407 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:13,760 about it - OK, it is a huge honour to be one of the four women 408 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:18,520 and one of the only 21 delegates to be there. 409 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:20,440 So, I accepted it. 410 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:21,800 I thought, why not? 411 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:22,840 Why not? 412 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,520 History in the making in Doha as the Afghan government 413 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,680 and the Taliban sit down for peace talks. 414 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,440 These are the first formal negotiations between the Afghan 415 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,000 government and the Taliban and are aimed at ending 416 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:41,400 a 40-year conflict. 417 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,920 I reached Doha on Thursday. 418 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:54,320 I am very frank about it that I was extremely nervous. 419 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,200 I was so nervous that there were times that actually 420 00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,160 I felt dizzy. 421 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,400 Because I did work with Taliban, 422 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:05,000 but if I got in touch with them, it was through phone. 423 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:06,920 It was not face-to-face. 424 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:15,200 I didn't know how to face a group of people who would feel that women 425 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,400 are not equal to men. 426 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:26,080 This was my first time I was seeing those who have killed my father. 427 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,720 I didn't want more Afghans to die 428 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:35,120 because I knew what it means to lose... 429 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,920 a member of your family, you know? 430 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,360 So we should stop this bloodshed. 431 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,040 That's why I was there. 432 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:47,760 At the beginning of the talks, President Ghani and people 433 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:52,920 very close to him had too much optimism that they will win 434 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,320 and everything will be all right. 435 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:59,000 And I was wondering, why do they have this illusion? 436 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,840 They say, "Oh, very soon there will be an election 437 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:03,960 "and President Biden will win." 438 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:06,720 CHEERING 439 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:09,600 Hello, hello! Hello, hello! 440 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:11,880 CHEERING 441 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:14,960 It's a good night! 442 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:25,000 After almost half a century on the national political stage, 443 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,600 Democrat Joe Biden has defeated President Donald Trump to become 444 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,480 the 46th president of the United States. 445 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:34,720 It's over! 446 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:40,200 With the new Biden administration, things changed very quickly. 447 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:46,280 I reached out to Washington and delivered my intention 448 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:51,040 that I would like to visit and have discussions early on. 449 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:54,040 And what they said was reassuring. 450 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:58,800 It was that they are going to take the US-Taliban agreement 451 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:03,640 for what it is, and there are conditions the Taliban have not met. 452 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,320 And so that was music to my ear. 453 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:11,200 I think President Ghani hoped and expected that there 454 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:16,720 might be a relook at the US-Taliban agreement, and in particular, 455 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,160 a relook at the whole matter of the withdrawal of US forces 456 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:23,200 by May 1st, 2021. 457 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:27,640 My response to him was that he should be very careful 458 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,480 about making assumptions. 459 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:34,760 I said, "Are we forgetting that when Mr Biden, 460 00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:40,240 "was Vice President, was encouraging President Obama 461 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,520 "to leave Afghanistan. 462 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:44,560 "Why would he change his mind? 463 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,280 "Why wouldn't he get out of Afghanistan?" 464 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,120 He said that this was a "God-forsaken country". 465 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,720 That was one of his favourite formulations. 466 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:59,320 It wasn't going to end up where we would like it to end up, 467 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,960 that he had argued this many times before 468 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,520 and he launched a review of the policy. 469 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,760 I turned to the Secretary of State, Tony Blinken, 470 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:13,120 and I said, "Do we really need the review? 471 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,159 "I thought we got the president's decision." 472 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,239 We were sitting with Taliban, talking. 473 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:41,000 When we knew that President Biden is going to give a speech 474 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,080 regarding Afghanistan, although we were sitting 475 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:48,280 in the dining room, we could hardly eat. 476 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,360 We could hardly eat. 477 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:01,640 Good afternoon. 478 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,200 We were thinking maybe he has some sanity 479 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,160 and he's an experienced politician. 480 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,000 And he knows what are the consequences of withdrawal. 481 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:17,120 I'm now the fourth United States president to preside over 482 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:20,160 American troop presence in Afghanistan. 483 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:24,440 I will not pass this responsibility on to a fifth. 484 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:29,120 US troops, as well as forces deployed by our NATO allies 485 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,040 and operational partners, 486 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:35,440 will be out of Afghanistan before we mark the 20th anniversary 487 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,920 of that heinous attack on September 11th. 488 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:39,960 Wow. 489 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,680 It was a shock and it was a shock... 490 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:50,080 And I said, "Wow, how our future is dependent on others' decision." 491 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:55,360 I was asked by CNN immediately after that speech 492 00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:56,720 {\an8}to give my comment. 493 00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:02,240 {\an8}What are you asking of the US and other NATO members 494 00:36:02,240 --> 00:36:03,920 {\an8}that would help? 495 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,520 {\an8}We have to work this together. 496 00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:07,880 {\an8}We have to. 497 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:12,600 {\an8}We simply... Otherwise, Afghanistan will go through a sheer hell. 498 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:13,880 {\an8}We... 499 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:17,000 {\an8}I don't think that the anger that I felt, 500 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:21,680 {\an8}that ever in my life, I felt that kind of anger. 501 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:25,040 {\an8}I'm not worried about the withdrawal of troops. 502 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:29,800 {\an8}I'm worried about the withdrawal of troops without peace intact. 503 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:31,480 This is our way. 504 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,320 That night I was in Doha. 505 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,560 That point was a turning point. 506 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:45,400 Next day, Taliban was so smiling and laughing and... 507 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,960 When he announced a complete withdrawal, I think 508 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:51,360 it was devastating. 509 00:36:53,240 --> 00:36:58,440 It was depressing to see the Biden administration basically 510 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,360 going down the same path that the Trump administration 511 00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:02,520 had gone down. 512 00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:07,560 The hope was that President Biden would agree to keep a certain number 513 00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:12,360 of forces there - there were about 3,500 US forces there at the time - 514 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:17,200 and this would have been enough to continue to fight terrorism 515 00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,840 and support the Afghan security forces. 516 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:23,200 I could see Taliban was not serious in negotiation, I left. 517 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,840 I left Doha for Kabul, 518 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,920 for preparing the ground for our resistance. 519 00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:46,360 At Bagram Air Base, 520 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:50,200 what was once a symbol of America's superpower presence, 521 00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,520 much of the complex is deserted. 522 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:58,160 The abandoned vehicles - a sign of the hasty exit, which has seen 523 00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,200 many troops head home for the 4th of July. 524 00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:07,360 When Bagram was vacated, the Afghan security forces were not 525 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:08,640 informed in time. 526 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:15,720 The neighbours in Bagram had found out first because they noticed 527 00:38:15,720 --> 00:38:18,280 the lights were turned off. 528 00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:22,160 And then we visited and heard the stories of the first people 529 00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:23,600 who arrived there. 530 00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,960 One of the story was that when they first arrived, 531 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,280 they saw vehicles on the runway whose headlights were on, 532 00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,800 the engines were on, the doors were open, 533 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:37,880 and it was, it was parked in the middle of the runway, meaning 534 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:41,840 that the last soldiers who left literally ran for it. 535 00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:45,760 From an Afghan's perspective, 536 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,480 the signal that sent was abandonment. 537 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,240 It felt betrayal. 538 00:38:50,240 --> 00:38:54,800 And those signals were then amplified by the Taliban, who wanted 539 00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:59,760 to see the Americans shamed and hurt the morale of the Afghan forces. 540 00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:14,560 The Taliban was in control of 20% of Afghanistan's districts in April. 541 00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:16,240 Now, it's more than 50%. 542 00:39:16,240 --> 00:39:18,600 WHISTLING AND GUNSHOTS RING OUT 543 00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,200 And the armed groups' grasp is getting ever closer 544 00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:22,800 to the capital, Kabul. 545 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,160 SHOUTING 546 00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:31,160 Washington was very, very concerned about the melting away 547 00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,120 of Afghan forces. 548 00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:41,840 In June 2021, we saw some advances from Taliban side. 549 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:48,720 We realised Taliban has changed their approach to the fight, and now 550 00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:53,520 they are focusing on sending elders on negotiations. 551 00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:02,440 Our local leaders approached the local military people 552 00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,520 and that worked. 553 00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,320 They started joining our forces, 554 00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:11,160 because they were not receiving their salaries for months. 555 00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:14,160 So there was a lot of resentments. 556 00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:22,240 I got a call at 9:00 in the morning from President Ghani 557 00:40:22,240 --> 00:40:24,440 and he was very pissed. 558 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,160 And he told me, "Alizai, you promised me 559 00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,680 "that none of the provinces or districts 560 00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:32,880 "will be fallen to the Taliban. What's happening?" 561 00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:38,680 I told him 37 district centres fallen in last one month. 562 00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:43,240 All of them were taken in a result of local 563 00:40:43,240 --> 00:40:46,240 negotiations, elders' involvements. 564 00:40:46,240 --> 00:40:47,800 I don't control that. 565 00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:54,160 And I said, "Sir, I promised Taliban won't take any places by force, 566 00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,480 "but I never promised that they won't take 567 00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,920 "any places without fighting. 568 00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:03,920 "I'm fighting in more than 100 spots, every 24 hours. 569 00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:07,760 "That's my job. It's not my job policing every checkpoint 570 00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:09,760 "in every base." 571 00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:13,200 "Local commanders, local politicians, who are not happy 572 00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,080 "with the Ghani government." 573 00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:34,880 A meeting took place. 574 00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:39,760 President Ghani devoted maybe half of his remarks to... 575 00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,000 to the security situation 576 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,960 and then for the other half, spoke at great length 577 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:50,600 on a whole variety of relatively arcane economic matters, 578 00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:55,200 that seemed incongruous, given what was happening in the country. 579 00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:56,680 MAN SPEAKS IN AGITATED VOICE 580 00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:05,520 I would tell him, "Shouldn't you actually be focusing 581 00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:09,360 "on the military situation, the security situation 582 00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:13,480 "that is getting more and more difficult?" 583 00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:15,120 CHILD CRIES, WOMAN SPEAKS 584 00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,560 Some of the advisers to the president were telling him 585 00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:21,560 that he shouldn't be seen as solely focused on security, 586 00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:25,880 that that would create more panic and that there needed 587 00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,200 to be an essence of normalcy. 588 00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:29,320 WOMAN SHOUTS ANGRILY 589 00:42:35,240 --> 00:42:38,400 He always would pick up wrong fight in the wrong time. 590 00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,160 But if you would tell him, he would be angry. 591 00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:47,000 As a chief of staff, I have to work with him. 592 00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,840 But as a president, he had already lost credibility. 593 00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:57,200 At the time, things were happening so fast. 594 00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:02,600 There really was no time for many of the decisions that were made. 595 00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,280 The Taliban have just seized a provincial capital 596 00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:06,920 as they make gains... 597 00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:11,800 We have two eyewitnesses confirming that the city of Zaranj has fallen. 598 00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:15,800 360,000 people have been forced to flee their homes 599 00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:17,280 in the last week. 600 00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:18,840 Half of them are children. 601 00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:24,080 {\an8}TRANSLATION: The reason for our current situation 602 00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:27,600 {\an8}is that the decision to withdraw was taken abruptly. 603 00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:31,800 {\an8}The fall of provinces was deeply, deeply concerning to us. 604 00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:39,440 Less and less was standing between the Talib forces advancing 605 00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:40,680 toward Kabul. 606 00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,600 Unarmoured vehicles. We're focused on the security situation 607 00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:48,400 that we face now, which, again, we've acknowledged is deteriorating. 608 00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:52,280 Has your current plan to withdraw US troops changed at all? 609 00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,920 No. They've got to fight for themselves. 610 00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:59,240 At 7pm on 14 August, 611 00:43:59,240 --> 00:44:02,440 we had a call with Secretary Blinken. 612 00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,920 And these reports are deeply disturbing. 613 00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,680 Ghani said to him, he is ready to step down 614 00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,080 for a political settlement. 615 00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:20,880 I could hear from the other side a relief, from the Blinken side. 616 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,800 He welcomed Ghani's decision. 617 00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:29,280 And President Ghani agreed that a delegation, including Karzai 618 00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:33,840 and myself too, will go to Doha and negotiate with the Taliban. 619 00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:39,480 I was instructed to engage the Talib, so I had a series 620 00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:41,520 of meetings with the Talibs. 621 00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:46,800 I wanted them to agree to a political arrangement, 622 00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:50,920 an inclusive government that would have individuals 623 00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,360 from the other side, 50-50 government, 624 00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:57,280 with someone that was mutually acceptable heading that government. 625 00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,480 And we worked together on a statement 626 00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:03,400 that the Talibs would issue - one, that they will not enter Kabul. 627 00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:08,800 Two, that they would welcome a delegation from Kabul to negotiate 628 00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:12,560 on an inclusive government and a transfer of power 629 00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:15,440 to that government from President Ghani. 630 00:45:16,720 --> 00:45:20,200 The Taliban's statement came out, that the statement 631 00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:22,520 they will not enter Kabul. 632 00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,160 We were kind of relieved - all of us - finally. 633 00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,880 OK, now things will be OK. 634 00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:34,960 President Ghani had to keep his promise, that he will stay 635 00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:40,120 while the politicians come to Doha and sign a contract 636 00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:41,360 with the Taliban. 637 00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:44,960 So you would have had a government, not a chaos. 638 00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:46,720 I believed him. 639 00:45:46,720 --> 00:45:49,680 I believed that he will stay till the end. 640 00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:58,200 The moment where things changed is the morning of August 15. 641 00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:12,280 I was not expecting anything big to happen that day. 642 00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:17,080 Breakfast went so normal, that day was normal. 643 00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:22,240 I had to attend my 9am meeting with President Ghani. 644 00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:31,120 We said it's time for you to come public and give a statement 645 00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:32,440 to the nation. 646 00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,320 People should feel assured things are OK. 647 00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,800 We said we have to now project a confidence. 648 00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:49,920 So, like, Taliban will not enter. 649 00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:51,800 We have to control this chaos. 650 00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,480 I'm in my office around 9.45 when the chief 651 00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:59,560 of the President's Guards come worried, tells me that Taliban 652 00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:02,040 had been spotted in Kabul. 653 00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:07,160 And then at 11:00, we hear firings outside the palace. 654 00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:09,120 RAPID GUNFIRE 655 00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:16,000 Hearing shots in Kabul was a norm. 656 00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:20,120 But this day, the assumption everybody made was the Taliban 657 00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:22,000 are now around the palace. 658 00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:26,680 More worrying news starts coming up. 659 00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:28,840 Districts around Kabul have collapsed, 660 00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:33,200 but I was in a good place, because I was aware of the behind scenes. 661 00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:36,840 Taliban was already telling us "we will not enter the city." 662 00:47:42,240 --> 00:47:47,360 I went back to my office, and on the way, I meet my deputy. 663 00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:50,360 He says, "People are panicking and they're leaving. 664 00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:51,920 "We're losing staff. 665 00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:55,080 "People are making the run for the gates." 666 00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:58,480 And I see my assistant coming in with a tray himself. 667 00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:03,520 I looked at him, "Where is the...the boy who serves the tea?" 668 00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:08,000 He looked at me in a, in a funny way and said, "Gone." 669 00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:09,640 SIREN WAILS 670 00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:19,320 Thousands of Taliban fighters now were seen approaching Kabul 671 00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:21,280 from all sides. 672 00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:26,000 And there were reports that at least some units were already in the city. 673 00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:32,640 This was alarming in itself because it directly contradicted 674 00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:36,520 assurances that we had received from the Taliban in Doha 675 00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:40,600 that their forces would halt before they got to the city. 676 00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:50,000 We instructed our forces to remain at the gate of the Kabul city. 677 00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:57,360 But we heard very bad news from the city that there are bandits 678 00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:01,000 looting people, plundering properties, killing people. 679 00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:04,920 And the government officials and police and military 680 00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,200 have left their posts. 681 00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:12,640 Everybody was worried. There was a sense of...a sense of panic. 682 00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:16,320 Decisions are being made at a fast pace of, what can be done? 683 00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:18,840 What can be done at this situation? 684 00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:27,400 The Afghan security forces manning the checkpoints and controlling 685 00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,560 movements within Kabul's Green Zone, 686 00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:33,440 those people had abandoned their posts. 687 00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:39,920 So, people and cars and trucks are now moving through checkpoints 688 00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:42,680 that were meant to stop them and protect us. 689 00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:49,280 Faced with the risk of finding ourselves marooned, 690 00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:52,120 I recommended our immediate evacuation. 691 00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:03,200 It has to have been terrifying for our staff, you know, 692 00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:08,200 that had to very abruptly stop everything that they're doing, 693 00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:12,440 abandon their apartments, abandon their possessions. 694 00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:17,120 Take a suitcase with them to a future that was uncertain 695 00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:19,840 as to where they were going exactly. 696 00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:25,360 It... It was an awful day. 697 00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:34,280 There is news of the Americans having left the Green Zone 698 00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:36,600 and their embassy and burned everything. 699 00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:39,560 All of this is unfolding very, very quickly. 700 00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:42,160 Every minute, the realities are changing, 701 00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:43,600 and not just one reality. 702 00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:45,400 There is multiple realities happening - 703 00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:49,080 political situation changing, the military situation changing, 704 00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:52,320 the negotiations tactic, the Taliban, our negotiations 705 00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:53,760 {\an8}with the Americans. 706 00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:57,840 {\an8}I mean, we have just heard a nonstop stream of choppers all morning 707 00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,920 {\an8}going back and forth from the embassy to the airport. 708 00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:05,000 The Taliban are now very much outside the gates of Kabul. 709 00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:09,440 A city in panic. 710 00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:11,920 People desperate to leave. 711 00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:15,280 Taking what they can, fearing a bloody assault. 712 00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:18,960 More signs of panic at the banks. 713 00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:21,640 People lining up to take out their savings. 714 00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:30,040 It's something around ten or 15 past one o'clock, we start walking 715 00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:31,840 to president's residence. 716 00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:37,240 To my surprise, I was expecting more was there. 717 00:51:37,240 --> 00:51:38,800 But it was not there. 718 00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,960 I was at the area where the helipads are. 719 00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:44,600 There are four helipads made for specifically 720 00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:48,760 for the four helicopter fleet that the president had. 721 00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:52,960 The president's security looked very, very nervous. 722 00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:57,520 And they tell me that the third helicopter could not even fly 723 00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:04,360 because an armed individual entered in another helicopter, was shot, 724 00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:07,480 when it was trying to leave the airport to go and pick 725 00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:10,080 up the Minister of Defence. 726 00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:14,120 He told me, "Take the president now before it's too late." 727 00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:22,200 I head to the president's residence and take the first lady. 728 00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:25,480 And I told him, I said, "Mr President, it is time." 729 00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:27,400 He understood. 730 00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:29,120 My tone was very serious. 731 00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:33,560 And so he said, "Fine, let me go upstairs and gather some stuff." 732 00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:36,800 And I said, "No, there is no time. It's now or never." 733 00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:40,840 After lunch we came out. 734 00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:44,200 It's around, I think 1.45 or something. 735 00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:45,800 Sound of a helicopter. 736 00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:47,320 HELICOPTER BLADES BEAT 737 00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:53,960 I received a call from Minister of Foreign Affairs. 738 00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:56,400 He called me, he said, "Where are you?" 739 00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:58,440 I told him, I'm in palace. 740 00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:00,160 He said, "Where is the boss?" 741 00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:05,560 I told him he was with us half an hour ago and he went home. 742 00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:07,320 And he told me, "No." 743 00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:14,480 I was sitting in the lobby of our hotel in Doha. 744 00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:18,200 I was having a meeting about this peace negotiations. 745 00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:20,400 And when they are coming. 746 00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:23,880 Matin called and I said to him, "What's wrong?" 747 00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:26,280 He said that the president has run away. 748 00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:28,880 When I say that, "Really, he has run away?" 749 00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:31,720 He said, "Yes, the bastard has run away." 750 00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:37,960 We had a small window 751 00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:41,640 for an imperfect settlement. 752 00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:46,880 President Ghani is responsible for killing that small window 753 00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:51,760 of peace that could have prevented the humiliation we suffered. 754 00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:55,360 When he ran away, everything collapsed. 755 00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:01,960 RAPID GUNFIRE 756 00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:06,360 Gunshots have been heard at a number of points around Kabul. 757 00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:11,400 A crush of people pushing, shoving, screaming, children. 758 00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:16,200 People here in the capital are utterly petrified and essentially 759 00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:18,240 have nowhere to look to now. 760 00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:23,640 I managed to get in a secure place at the airport, 761 00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:26,440 but I could see a lot of horrible things. 762 00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:31,680 Seeing thousands of people storming the airport. 763 00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:34,920 And I was there when I saw the big plane took off 764 00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:36,480 and the guy fall down. 765 00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:41,520 Around noon or afternoon, we managed to leave. 766 00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:43,320 Our plane took off to Turkey. 767 00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:48,440 My family was in Kabul. 768 00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:51,680 All my friends, my colleagues were in Kabul. 769 00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:55,000 It was a feeling just I'm leaving for a moment. 770 00:54:56,000 --> 00:55:00,040 It was not a feeling of I'm leaving the country forever. 771 00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:09,120 As we fly over Kabul from the palace, 772 00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:14,480 we could see the smoke coming out in a distance from Bagram Air Base. 773 00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:19,000 The city looked deserted and there was, there seemed chaos in parts 774 00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:20,320 of the city. 775 00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:33,960 Afghanistan has new masters. 776 00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:35,800 The Taliban are back. 777 00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:40,320 Hours after arriving in Kabul, sitting at the president's desk. 778 00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:49,120 And it was a very happy moment, a moment of joy, 779 00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:52,800 a dream being realised. 780 00:55:57,240 --> 00:56:00,920 It was a tragic ending for the Afghan people. 781 00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:07,720 It's heartbreaking for families who lost loved ones in Afghanistan 782 00:56:07,720 --> 00:56:10,600 who worked so hard to give that country a chance. 783 00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:19,800 I have talked to people here who have been waiting 784 00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:21,560 for two days. 785 00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:22,880 Two days. 786 00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:27,720 21,000 flown out in the past 24 hours. 787 00:56:27,720 --> 00:56:31,560 The clock is ticking because rescuing refugees will soon 788 00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:33,880 have to give way to removing troops. 789 00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:39,600 I was one of four people from the American embassy in Kabul 790 00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:41,560 who stayed to the very end. 791 00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:46,560 At around 10.30 on the night of the 30th, 792 00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:52,360 we were asked to come and get on buses to go out to the tarmac. 793 00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:58,280 We filed on board, the engines revved up. 794 00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:03,360 That was the last plane out of Afghanistan. 795 00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:09,480 It was very quiet when we...when we took off. 796 00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:15,840 You know, hindsight is 20/20. 797 00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:25,640 We did the best we could with the information that was available 798 00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:26,880 to us at the time. 799 00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:29,040 That effort wasn't successful. 800 00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:34,080 And everybody who is involved has got to carry that with them. 801 00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:08,360 The US came for revenge. 802 00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:12,640 We helped the US to go after Al Qaida, and then they left us 803 00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:15,000 on our own to be butchered. 804 00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:17,920 GUNFIRE 805 00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:23,760 Afghan people have made such a big sacrifice. 806 00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:26,600 We don't have an army. 807 00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:30,240 We don't have a police, the institutions have collapsed. 808 00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:34,080 We should not talk about a republic side or a Taliban side, 809 00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:37,480 but what is good for the people of Afghanistan? 810 00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:39,520 The war has not ended for us. 811 00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:43,920 It's still a continuing war, and we're paying for that. 812 00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:47,360 All the Afghans are victims of this. 813 00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:50,800 So we are the victim of these big empty promises. 814 00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:55,640 Promises, all those empty promises. 69043

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