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Michael Jackson's L.A. Residence
June 25, 2009
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I arrived at the hospital
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Frank Dileo
JACKSON'S MANAGER 1984-89, 2009
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and the lady came out
maybe 20 minutes later, a nurse.
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I stood up. She said,
"Who are you?"
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"I'm Frank Dileo, I manage Michael.
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"Is he okay?"
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She hesitated, and I knew.
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She looked me in the eye and said,
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"No, he didn't make it."
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I had them put him in a Special room
and clean him up.
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And that was the one nice thing,
is I got to be alone with him.
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And I got to kiss him on the forehead
and, you know, tell him what I felt.
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When I started seeing the news clips
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David Gest
MICHAEL'S CLOSE FRIEND
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the day he died,
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my heart sank.
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Michael was the most exciting performer
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I had ever seen in my life.
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He was the ultimate pop Superstar.
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He wanted, more than anything,
for his legacy to be
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he is the greatest performer of all time.
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And that's what he became.
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I grew up in East Chicago, Indiana.
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Katherine Jackson
MICHAEL'S MOTHER
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My mother and father divorced when
I was at a young age, about six years old.
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My mother was Baptist.
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And my sister and I sang in the Baptist choir.
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It made us have a love for music.
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My father used to listen
to the country music all the time,
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and out of Chicago came a show,
on the radio, called Suppertime Frolic.
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And then on Saturdays,
he would listen to the Grand Ole Opty
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that came out of NashviIIe.
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Some of the people were Ernest Tubb,
that's ancient.
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Let me... Let the people know how old I am.
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We had a club called the Sub-Debs.
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We used to give teenage parties
for all the kids around there,
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and that's where I met Joe.
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I think I was around 17 years old.
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He would always ask me for a dance
when the music was slow.
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He seemed very kind, very sweet.
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Joseph was in a group.
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Besides me leaving singing with my sister,
I started singing with him.
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And we would sing and harmonise together a lot.
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Then the children came along,
and I kept singing.
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Rebbie Jackson
MICHAEL'S SISTER
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2300 Jackson St, in that little house.
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I was the only one born in that house.
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We had two bedrooms in our home.
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And I and my Sisters, Janet and La Toya,
Slept in the living room.
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Living Room
Gary, Indiana 2010
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We had a couch that let out into a bed.
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My brothers Slept in one room.
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Boy's Bedroom
Gary, Indiana 2010
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And that room had triple bunk beds.
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And they Slept on the bunk beds.
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And then my parents slept in the other room.
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Parents' Bedroom
GARY, INDIANA 2010
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I don't know how I squeezed
all of us in that little house.
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Jackson Family Kitchen Gary, Indiana 1960's
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Having all my children when I was young
and having them So close together,
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every time I would get pregnant,
I was afraid to tell Joe.
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We didn't believe in abortion,
so that's why we got so many children.
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The children around our neighbourhood,
especially the boys,
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they were kind of bad, some of them.
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They would break in people's cars and do things.
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And our children were never allowed
to go out at night or play with those kids.
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J. Randy Taraborrelli
JACKSON'S FRIEND AND BIOGRAPHER
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They weren't really social
with the rest of the neighbourhood.
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They clung to each other,
and that's how the Jacksons were raised.
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Poor? I mean, that was a way of life.
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We had plenty of food to eat.
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We were like all the other kids in the area.
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Michael never thought
he was poor when he was young,
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because he did not know what poor was.
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David Gest
MICHAEL'S CLOSE FRIEND
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He thought
everyone lived the way his family did.
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We had a rickety washing machine.
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We weren't able to buy a new one.
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Whenever it washed, it would creak.
You know, make noises...
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Something like that.
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And Michael, I guess,
was about 11 or 12 months old.
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He was just dancing
to the rhythm of the washing machine.
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And I knew then that he had a lot of rhythm.
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Michael would always do funny things,
anything for a laugh.
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Anything for a laugh.
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La Toya was always very persnickety
about the way she kept her room.
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And she had this beautiful...
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I think it was a white satin bedspread
that she had just gotten.
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Michael took some invisible ink
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and he spread it all over the bedspread,
squirted it all over.
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And then he had her come in
and look at it. She was livid.
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Michael used to love telling me stories
about Gary, Indiana,
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especially how he would have a candy store,
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and he would sell candy to all the neighbours,
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and to his brothers.
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And he never made any money doing it,
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but he showed signs of being
an entrepreneur at a very young age.
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As kids, we had a lot of fun.
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Tito Jackson
MICHAEL'S BROTHER
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You know, just playing around
in the neighbourhood.
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Playing practical jokes, throwing balloons
out the car windows at bus stops,
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singing and dancing to every song
that came on the radio.
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Michael would use
some of the money from his candy store
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to go and buy 45s,
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because in those days,
that's what kids bought, 45s.
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And if you were lucky, you'd buy an LP.
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But he started listening strongly to James Brown
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from the time he was about five years old.
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He had a great taste for real R&B,
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gritty R&B, like Wilson Pickett,
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the Dells,
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great singers like Levi Stubbs.
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We sang country songs and we sang folk songs.
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And then they started singing the Temptations
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when we got a television.
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My father had a guitar
that he kept locked in the closet.
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One day, he didn't lock the closet
and I started playing that thing.
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I learn't every song on the radio
and made my brothers sing with me.
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Joseph had warned them,
"Don't play my guitar, now."
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And so, Tito took it out and played it,
and a string broke.
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There was no way of hiding
that he hadn't had his guitar.
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He punished him for it.
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Then he said,
"Let me hear you play."
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And Tito played for him.
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Joe just said nothing else to him,
"You can play it if you want to."
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Tito had been watching his father play guitar,
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but he would come to my house
and he and I would play.
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Reynaud Jones
NEIGHBOUR - GARY, INDIANA
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And I would play a little something
on my guitar, and then show him,
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and then give my guitar to him.
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And then he'd tty to play it.
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And so we went back and forth like that.
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There was a guy across the street
who had one snare drum,
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and his name was Milford Hite.
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Milford Hite
NEIGHBOUR - GARY, INDIANA
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Reynaud said,
"Milford, come over with your drum
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"and let's see if we can, you know,
start a little group together."
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We played for a while
and then Jackie Jackson came over.
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Okay.
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Then after Jackie came in, Jermaine came.
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Michael and Marlon were just little kids.
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And we used to tell them to be quiet,
"Get out of here."
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We used to kick them out the room.
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And they used to beg to be in the group.
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And we just said,
"Your little brother wants to be in the..."
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You know, you just said,
"No, get out of here. This is big boy stuff."
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The school was giving a programme
and all the parents were invited.
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And Michael was singing solo,
CIimb Every Mountain.
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And so Joe's father wanted to go also,
so he could hear him.
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And Michael starts singing.
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I looked around, Joe's father was crying.
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I guess he couldn't imagine
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that a 5-year-old kid can keep harmony
and sing that well.
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But that's what happened.
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We heard him sing and we were so taken by that.
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We couldn't believe it so we rushed him home,
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immediately took him to the room.
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And he was in the group, that fast.
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The big thing back then was winning
the Roosevelt High School talent show.
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In the '50s and the '60s,
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talent shows were the key
to getting a career and a record deal.
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And that's what they dreamed of.
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Initially, Michael was not our lead singer.
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It was Jermaine was our lead singer
when we made it to the talent show.
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They came to me and asked me
if I would come over
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Robert Hite
NEIGHBOUR - GARY, INDIANA
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and give them some pointers
on tightening up the group.
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I actually decided that we were going
to present the song My Girl,
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because it was a song
that I had become very fond of.
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Each person would get a chance
to step forward in the song,
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and showcase what they could do.
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Milford actually sang My Girl along with them.
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Reynaud was singing My Girl.
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And all of a sudden We said,
"Michael, sing My Girl."
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And he hit it, perfect pitch.
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And that was it.
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That was our secret weapon, quite honestly.
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When Michael came in, the crowd just stood up.
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They actually broke a couple of chairs
and seats in the auditorium.
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It was such a surprise.
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And that's when everybody recognised
the kind of talent that was there.
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We wanted to win and we won.
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It was a really happy moment.
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It was just..."Cause that was the thing to win,
Roosevelt's talent show.
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We win a Roosevelt's talent show,
it's like signing a contract with Motown.
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After the talent show ended,
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Joe decided that Reynaud and Milford
weren't going to be rehearsing with them.
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And that's what kind of split everything off.
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Joseph was, in many ways, a frustrated musician.
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He had a band called the Falcons.
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And I think to some extent
he wanted to live vicariously
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through the success, the possible success,
of his children as musicians.
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But Joseph is a very complicated person,
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and it's not easy to paint Joseph
with a wide brushstroke.
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Bobby Taylor
ARTIST, GORDY & MOTOWN RECORDS
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Joe was a tyrant to them.
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He was mean to them. He was evil to them.
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Michael was very afraid of Joe,
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and a lot of times,
he would stay over at my house,
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just to get away from Joe,
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because he felt Joe had punished him
too much when he was younger.
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He had taken a strap
and spanked him a lot of times.
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And he felt it was too harsh.
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He was a very strong, and often,
as they would tell it, violent disciplinarian.
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Michael, Janet and Randy,
and a little bit of Marlon,
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I think they got easy street,
"cause they were the babies.
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The ones who really got the spankings
in my family, if I remember correctly,
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and I'm pretty sure I do,
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was myself, Jermaine and Jackie, the older guys.
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I'm sort of like five years older than Michael.
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So he was more of one of the little guys
that didn't get it the way the big guys did.
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I think in later life,
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he began to respect Joe more,
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because he saw
that he wanted his kids to be somebody.
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My uncle worked in the steel mill.
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He never wanted his kids to do what he did.
He wanted them to be better.
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Ronald & Keith Jackson
JACKSON'S FIRST COUSINS
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I seen the steel mill, and I'm gonna tell you...
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- It's like working for Satan...
- Do not work there...
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...because it's 2,000 degrees out there,
and it's very dangerous.
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So, his vision, I respect.
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He wanted them to have a better opportunity,
and to do something they love doing.
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I think Joe did the right thing
because none of his kids went to prison.
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None of his kids were out
on the street using dope.
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I think I was raised right.
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I think my father did a brilliant job
to take us from Gary, Indiana,
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which is a very poverty-stricken town,
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and not too many people get out of there
and make something of themselves,
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and he had a dream, and he stuck with it.
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And he knew how to get there
and he got us there.
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It's okay to have fun sometimes
but you have to prepare yourself,
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because your adulthood
is gonna be a lot longer than your childhood.
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And if you didn't prepare for it,
you're gonna be on The Late Show.
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So I think my father prepared his sons
for the future, to be men.
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We were men at a very young age.
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I remember asking Michael,
"Why do you call him Joseph?"
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And it was really clear,
the way Michael explained it,
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that they thought of him as Joseph.
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They didn't really think of him as their father,
they thought of him as Joseph.
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And I thought that was very sad.
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That had to hurt even Joseph,
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to know that his children
felt that way about him,
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but that was the way he designed it.
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Katherine Jackson
MICHAEL'S MOTHER
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The world now talks
about how mean and evil he is.
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He's not that way.
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He's just a firm person.
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Michael's very close to my mother,
and she was like a comfort to him, I think.
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Michael and I had a very special bond.
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Michael used to always tell me
that he was so much like me.
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And then I used to tell him, I said,
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"I can see myself in you,
but I don't want you to be like me,"
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because I thought I was too easy-going,
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trust people too much,
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and that's exactly how Michael is.
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There was a mystical connection
that made them almost, at times, one.
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Michael and Katherine, two peas in a pod.
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He was closer to no one else except for her.
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Katherine Jackson
was golden where Michael was concerned,
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throughout his entire lifetime.
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She always cared.
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When he went through stages of acne,
she knew how to handle him.
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It was almost as if they were
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aligned with each other against the world.
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And he could always go to Katherine
for anything.
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And she would be there for him, 100%.
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They had been working on the music
for a long time,
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and they wanted to be signed to a label.
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We would go to school in the morning.
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Then after school,
we'd get home about 3:0000, 3:300.
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And my father'd have all the mics set up
and amps on standby.
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And we had enough time to just drop our books,
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and we would practise, like, four hours,
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until about 7:0000 or 8:0000.
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And after that,
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we would get ready
to go to Chicago or somewhere,
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and go do an engagement.
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We would play for 45 minutes,
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and take 15 minutes off and do our homework.
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By the time we was through with our day,
it was about 2:30 in the morning.
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And we'd drive back from Chicago to Gary,
get home about 3:00, 4:00 in the morning,
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then go to school the next day.
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And that's what life was for us
for many years, a lot of work.
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We would perform all night,
tell you the truth, every day.
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Voice of Michael Jackson
Interview courtesy of J. Randy Taraborrelli
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We would be dancing, doing James Brown,
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and a lot of people throwing money on stage,
and standing ovations.
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And then, soon as we drove home,
we'd get up and go to school.
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And we couldn't keep our pants up
"cause we had so much money in them.
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I mean, change just broke them.
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And there was this man's house,
who used to sell candy,
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we used to stop there and just load up,
eat candy for days.
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They had a studio at home
and they had these big mirrors and stuff.
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And they would say, "Do it again,
do it again, do it again, do it again."
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And next thing you know,
seven, eight, nine hours go by,
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but they were looking for perfection.
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Ronnie Rancifer
KEYBOARDIST,"JACKSON 5" 1967-77
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They were focused,
that's what I liked about them.
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They were serious about doing it,
and it was about perfection.
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Johnny Jackson and Ronnie Rancifer
were part of the early Jackson 5.
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They were not named members
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but they were a part of the group,
and an integral part of the group.
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Back then, we didn't have
the greatest instruments in the world.
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Other big name groups,
they would have big PAs and all that.
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Jacksons didn't have that,
but what they had was soul.
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See... And soul goes a long way.
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You can have $10 jillion
worth of equipment, baby,
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but if you ain't got no soul,
you might as well stay home.
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In 1967 the Jackson 5 signed for local
record label, Steeltown Records.
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They released two songs on the label;
"Big Boy"
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and "We Don't Have To Be Over 21
(To Fall In Love).
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Neither appeared on any Billboard Chart.
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One day, I was setting up a VIP section
for Bobby Taylor,
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all of a sudden, I hear the people clapping
and hollering...
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Weldon Arthur McDougal III - A & R
EXECUTIVE, MOTOWN RECORDS 1969-80
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And so I come out of the office and I look
and there was the Jackson 5.
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Well, they are pretty good.
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Joe Jackson said,
"Listen, man, we wanna be on Motown."
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And I said,
"Man, I can't get nobody on the label."
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And he said, "Well, do you know anybody
you could introduce me to at Motown?"
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I was so excited about them,
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I told Bobby Taylor that Thursday about them.
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He said,
"Okay, I'll look at them."
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I met them in 1968, at the Regal Theater.
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I was headlining the show.
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They were the opening act,
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and I was introduced to them by the promoter.
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Berry Gordy, President of Motown,
gave him permission
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to produce any act that he wanted
and they would listen to it.
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He, at that time, had a group
called Bobby Taylor and the Vancouvers.
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They had records on the radio
that were going really well and stuff.
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I liked the way he sang,"cause he was
a star vocalist in his own right.
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He knew how to do it, when to do it,
why to do it, and why not to do it.
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I saw this little kid spinning and stuff,
I said, "Dang.
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"Send him upstairs when they finish,
I want to talk to this kid."
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Never thought about recording him at that time.
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I said, "This little guy,
I wanna see what's happening."
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He was a kid that would worry you, bug you,
until you had to do something with him.
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Instead of him going back
to Gary, Indiana, from Chicago
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every night, he'd go and ask Joseph
if he could stay with me,
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and spend a night at the hotel with me.
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So he stayed in my face for 100 straight days,
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from the time that we woke up in the morning,
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and I'd take and feed this kid.
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It was pure. This kid wanted what he got.
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He was a workaholic.
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Bobby Taylor worked hard.
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I mean, I can't say it enough.
I want people to know.
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He worked harder on them
than he did with the Vancouvers.
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My motivation was Michael.
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I just figured this kid here,
he's an adult in kid's clothing.
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That was my only motivation.
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Everybody around here knew
that Michael Jackson was "it."
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The world just didn't know it.
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Bobby was pushing.
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When I say he was pushing,
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the next time I seen Bobby or I seen the group,
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he had called me and said
he's working at the Apollo.
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And come over to the Apollo,
he got a surprise for me.
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And when I went to the Apollo,
the Jackson 5 was on the bill.
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Apollo Theater Harlem,
New York City
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The Apollo was known
as the greatest R&B showroom in the world,
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because many albums had been made from there,
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James Brown, Live at the Apollo.
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Jackie Wilson played the Apollo.
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GIadys Knight and the Pips played the Apollo.
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Smokey Robinson and the Miracles.
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Everybody who played the Apollo was a star.
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And everybody who was underneath them on a bill
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was trying to gain that national fame.
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And if you make it there,
you're assured of stardom
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because people knew
that you've got something very special.
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It was a very tough audience.
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And if they did not like you,
and you were not a good live act,
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even though you may have a hit record,
they'd boo you off the stage.
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The Jackson 5 tore that place up.
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I mean, I've never seen an act
that nobody never heard of,
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didn't have a record,
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and, I mean,
the people kept hollering, "Jackson 5!"
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On the same show was the 5 Stairsteps,
and they were young kids, too,
383
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or they were about the same age
as the Jackson 5.
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And they were complaining,
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00:26:34,813 --> 00:26:38,023
they wanted to get the Jackson 5 off of the show
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because every time they went on,
people just hollered,
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"Jackson 5! Jackson 5! Jackson 5!"
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And I said,
"Wow! I ain't never seen nothing like this."
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Martha Reeves
ARTIST, MOTOWN RECORDS
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My very first time that I saw Michael Jackson
was at the Apollo Theater in New York.
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He and his family were a self-contained act,
which was very unusual.
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And yet there was a guitarist in the group
and a bassist in the group,
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and keyboard and drums.
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They'd won a contest.
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They'd won at the Apollo Theater Amateur Night,
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and their prize was to open the show
for the great James Brown.
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Well, he broke out into this James Brown,
I Got the Feelin',
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and doing his little toes and dancing
and looking like James,
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if James were a wind-up toy.
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00:27:40,503 --> 00:27:42,379
And it was amazing.
401
00:27:42,547 --> 00:27:43,631
Rebbie Jackson
MICHAEL'S SISTER
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He would perform and do the moves
and routine that everyone else was doing.
403
00:27:46,551 --> 00:27:50,512
He used to do Fred Astaire and James Cagney.
404
00:27:50,597 --> 00:27:54,266
Then all of a sudden, he would add
a little bit of something in there, different.
405
00:27:54,392 --> 00:27:56,852
And that was him feeling what he was doing.
406
00:27:57,604 --> 00:28:00,648
He excited me. I saw all of this in him.
407
00:28:00,732 --> 00:28:03,067
I saw things that he could do that I couldn't.
408
00:28:04,235 --> 00:28:07,029
He had the makings of a great singer.
409
00:28:07,197 --> 00:28:10,532
Michael had universal appeal
back when he was real young.
410
00:28:10,617 --> 00:28:13,994
I mean, we weren't really into marketing
or anything like that,
411
00:28:14,079 --> 00:28:15,829
but it was already there.
412
00:28:15,914 --> 00:28:18,707
I think the word for it,
the phraseology, would be,
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"A diamond in the rough,"
without very many edges to buff off.
414
00:28:28,301 --> 00:28:30,135
With the rest of the brothers, now,
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00:28:30,553 --> 00:28:32,054
Jermaine stuttered.
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00:28:32,305 --> 00:28:34,807
And he always thought
that if he stuttered when he talked,
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00:28:34,933 --> 00:28:36,225
that he would do it when he sang.
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00:28:37,060 --> 00:28:39,937
So I had to push Jermaine more than I had
to push anyone else.
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00:28:40,105 --> 00:28:44,274
And that's all I used,
Jermaine, Michael and Jackie.
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00:28:44,609 --> 00:28:47,152
I did not use Marlon, did not use Tito.
421
00:28:47,445 --> 00:28:49,405
They couldn't sing, right?
422
00:28:49,489 --> 00:28:52,116
And I told them. "Learn. Listen and learn."
423
00:28:52,283 --> 00:28:55,285
The complete group was not just those five boys.
424
00:28:55,787 --> 00:28:58,455
The complete group had two other ones with them,
425
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one was Johnny Jackson, the drummer,
426
00:29:00,792 --> 00:29:03,335
one was Ronnie Rancifer, the pianist,
427
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,922
which made the music for the group.
428
00:29:07,006 --> 00:29:09,591
Without them,
there wouldn't have been this Jackson 5.
429
00:29:11,761 --> 00:29:14,805
Every producer
has their own method to the madness,
430
00:29:14,931 --> 00:29:16,974
and Bobby's was pretty cool.
431
00:29:17,100 --> 00:29:19,893
He had the old-school roughness on that,
you know.
432
00:29:19,978 --> 00:29:22,020
You have to have a certain kind of roughness,
433
00:29:22,147 --> 00:29:23,522
a certain kind of discipline.
434
00:29:23,648 --> 00:29:28,444
He felt Michael had something so special,
and he told that to him.
435
00:29:29,654 --> 00:29:30,696
But he said,
436
00:29:30,822 --> 00:29:35,784
"Do not think
just me telling you makes it happen.
437
00:29:36,536 --> 00:29:38,495
"It does not.
438
00:29:38,621 --> 00:29:43,625
"You've gotta work and continue to work
for what you achieve.
439
00:29:43,710 --> 00:29:45,502
"It will never be easy."
440
00:29:45,837 --> 00:29:48,964
He wasn't always patient.
441
00:29:49,048 --> 00:29:52,426
He wasn't always saying things
that you wanna hear,
442
00:29:52,510 --> 00:29:54,178
or saying it right.
443
00:29:54,304 --> 00:29:59,850
But what he said and what he was doing
was just trying to make them stars.
444
00:30:00,477 --> 00:30:04,897
Our last day at the Regal Theater
445
00:30:05,023 --> 00:30:07,274
is when I went to Joe, I said,
446
00:30:07,358 --> 00:30:10,694
"Say now, why don't you let me
put these kids at Motown?"
447
00:30:13,364 --> 00:30:16,867
And Joe said those words to me,
"Man, I thought you'd never ask."
448
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:23,081
We were in New York City.
449
00:30:23,208 --> 00:30:24,208
Tito Jackson
MICHAEL'S BROTHER
450
00:30:24,334 --> 00:30:27,795
And we had just finished
performing with James Brown.
451
00:30:27,879 --> 00:30:29,546
We were opening up for him.
452
00:30:30,715 --> 00:30:33,550
Bobby Taylor had been begging Berry
to check us out.
453
00:30:34,052 --> 00:30:35,260
Berry Gordy - FOUNDER,
MOTOWN RECORD CORPORATION
454
00:30:35,386 --> 00:30:38,180
And he wouldn't do it
because he had another kid on his label.
455
00:30:38,723 --> 00:30:43,352
And he was catching a lot of flak from the state
456
00:30:43,436 --> 00:30:47,105
about working this kid who's underage.
457
00:30:47,232 --> 00:30:51,819
Berry would say, "I never wanna have
anything to do with kids in this business.
458
00:30:51,903 --> 00:30:52,945
"It's too much problems.
459
00:30:53,071 --> 00:30:56,865
"I can't even handle one.
What am I gonna do with five?"
460
00:30:56,950 --> 00:30:59,201
And the one kid was little Stevie Wonder.
461
00:31:01,412 --> 00:31:03,956
I drove Michael, Marlon,
462
00:31:05,250 --> 00:31:08,210
Tommy Chong, who was in my band,
from Cheech and Chong,
463
00:31:08,294 --> 00:31:10,712
from Chicago to Detroit.
464
00:31:10,797 --> 00:31:13,423
I take Michael directly to Motown.
465
00:31:13,925 --> 00:31:17,261
So I said, "Berry, I've got these kids here
466
00:31:17,387 --> 00:31:20,264
"and they're number one coming
out of the block."
467
00:31:20,515 --> 00:31:22,891
I said, "The lead singer's eight.
468
00:31:23,434 --> 00:31:25,644
"He can out-dance anybody you ever saw.
469
00:31:25,770 --> 00:31:27,312
"Jackie Wilson, James Brown.
470
00:31:27,438 --> 00:31:32,526
"If you close your eyes and listen to him
after I finish teaching him,
471
00:31:32,610 --> 00:31:34,278
"the best singer you ever heard in your life."
472
00:31:34,404 --> 00:31:40,617
It was not easy to get a children's group
signed to Motown.
473
00:31:41,119 --> 00:31:45,414
And Bobby Taylor knew that when he called Berry
474
00:31:45,748 --> 00:31:49,585
and said, "I've got something so special,
you gotta see it,"
475
00:31:50,837 --> 00:31:53,297
that Berry would jump once he did.
476
00:31:53,464 --> 00:31:58,135
Because he would not have taken them
to Berry to waste his time.
477
00:31:59,470 --> 00:32:05,809
The next morning, Berry Gordy
called me from Los Angeles, and he says,
478
00:32:05,935 --> 00:32:07,978
"I want you to bring them out here."
479
00:32:10,273 --> 00:32:11,773
That's how they got to Motown.
480
00:32:18,489 --> 00:32:20,282
Going to California,
the happiest day of my life.
481
00:32:20,366 --> 00:32:21,450
Katherine Jackson
MICHAEL'S MOTHER
482
00:32:24,162 --> 00:32:28,165
Joseph had promised me that one day
we would go to California.
483
00:32:29,500 --> 00:32:32,085
I'd tell him, "No,"
I said, "Your promise came true,
484
00:32:32,170 --> 00:32:34,963
"but you didn't bring me there,
the children did."
485
00:32:39,177 --> 00:32:41,970
Berry Gordy was having a party for Diana Ross.
486
00:32:42,055 --> 00:32:43,597
It was her birthday.
487
00:32:43,681 --> 00:32:47,351
So he asked us to perform
at this party for Diana,
488
00:32:48,019 --> 00:32:49,728
and of course we did.
489
00:32:49,854 --> 00:32:54,733
And at that party was, like, the Temptations,
Smokey, the Vandellas,
490
00:32:54,859 --> 00:32:58,070
the Supremes, Four Tops.
491
00:32:58,196 --> 00:33:01,281
And here we are performing their songs to them.
492
00:33:01,366 --> 00:33:02,699
So we was quite nervous.
493
00:33:03,576 --> 00:33:04,660
Dionne Warwick
SINGER
494
00:33:04,744 --> 00:33:08,538
I first met Michael, he was,
I think he was 10 years old.
495
00:33:08,665 --> 00:33:10,666
He was flown out with his brothers
496
00:33:10,750 --> 00:33:13,335
to sing for Berry Gordy, Jr.
497
00:33:14,045 --> 00:33:17,547
Berry had invited a bunch of people
up to his home.
498
00:33:17,674 --> 00:33:22,052
This little bitty thing came in
and he sat down next to me
499
00:33:22,887 --> 00:33:25,555
and he looked at me and he says,
"And who are you?"
500
00:33:25,682 --> 00:33:28,392
I said, "I'm Dionne Warwick. Who are you?"
501
00:33:29,060 --> 00:33:30,686
"I'm Michael Jackson."
502
00:33:30,770 --> 00:33:35,190
I said, "Nice to know you, Michael Jackson.
And what do you do, Michael Jackson?"
503
00:33:35,733 --> 00:33:38,026
He says, "Oh, I sing."
504
00:33:38,861 --> 00:33:42,406
I said, "You sing? Can you sing?"
505
00:33:42,865 --> 00:33:45,075
He said, "Yes, I can sing."
506
00:33:45,618 --> 00:33:49,204
I mean, little feisty, beautiful young boy.
507
00:33:49,288 --> 00:33:52,541
I said, "Well, that's what we're here for.
We're gonna see if you can sing."
508
00:34:00,591 --> 00:34:03,510
Watching them perform was excitement.
509
00:34:03,594 --> 00:34:04,636
Brenda Holloway
ARTIST, MOTOWN RECORDS
510
00:34:04,762 --> 00:34:06,930
Everyone in the group was an individual.
511
00:34:09,976 --> 00:34:13,103
And I feel that every one of them
could have gone on their own.
512
00:34:13,229 --> 00:34:14,771
But Michael was the star.
513
00:34:21,821 --> 00:34:26,199
They came in and they sang a few songs.
514
00:34:26,284 --> 00:34:28,368
They sang a couple songs
by James Brown, you know,
515
00:34:28,453 --> 00:34:29,494
Smokey Robinson
ARTIST, MOTOWN RECORDS
516
00:34:29,620 --> 00:34:35,125
and Michael did the James Brown dances,
and he really did them.
517
00:34:35,251 --> 00:34:39,004
He's 10 years old and he was dancing
like he was about 30.
518
00:34:39,130 --> 00:34:43,800
How in the world could this little boy,
and he was a kid,
519
00:34:43,926 --> 00:34:45,260
be so talented?
520
00:34:45,344 --> 00:34:47,679
That's what everybody went away talking about.
521
00:34:52,685 --> 00:34:56,063
I think all of us Motown artists were astonished
522
00:34:56,147 --> 00:34:57,189
Kim Weston
ARTIST, MOTOWN RECORDS
523
00:34:57,315 --> 00:35:01,109
because here's a kid that, you know,
seemed to have no fear.
524
00:35:01,194 --> 00:35:07,324
You know, when the music hit, he was ready,
you know, or ready before the music hit.
525
00:35:07,658 --> 00:35:09,534
He said,
"I want you to know something, too."
526
00:35:09,660 --> 00:35:10,911
I said, "What's that?"
527
00:35:10,995 --> 00:35:14,372
"You sang a song about my name, Michael."
528
00:35:15,500 --> 00:35:18,794
I said, "Yeah.
You think that song was for you?"
529
00:35:20,338 --> 00:35:22,130
He said, "Wasn't it?"
530
00:35:24,467 --> 00:35:28,053
He was an adorable child.
It was a wonderful meeting.
531
00:35:28,805 --> 00:35:31,014
They loved it. They enjoyed it.
532
00:35:31,390 --> 00:35:33,183
That was our audition.
533
00:35:34,393 --> 00:35:37,562
So I'm very proud of that moment in our life.
534
00:35:42,193 --> 00:35:44,152
There was another world about to open
535
00:35:44,237 --> 00:35:45,278
David Gest
MICHAEL'S CLOSE FRIEND
536
00:35:45,363 --> 00:35:47,656
and he was ready to delve into it.
537
00:35:47,865 --> 00:35:49,116
Marvin Gaye
538
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:50,325
Junior Walker
539
00:35:50,409 --> 00:35:52,119
When you went to Motown, it was...
Everyone was there.
540
00:35:52,203 --> 00:35:53,620
The Isley Brothers
541
00:35:53,704 --> 00:35:54,746
Kim Weston
542
00:35:54,872 --> 00:35:55,956
Edwin Starr
543
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:57,082
Jimmy Ruffin
544
00:35:57,208 --> 00:36:00,710
It was like Disneyland. You saw Smokey,
you saw Mary, you saw Diana Ross.
545
00:36:00,837 --> 00:36:04,714
But everybody was trying
to perfect their artistry.
546
00:36:04,841 --> 00:36:07,175
The feeling at Motown was it was a family,
a musical family.
547
00:36:07,260 --> 00:36:08,510
Valerie Simpson & Nickolas Ashford
548
00:36:08,594 --> 00:36:09,761
SINGERS & SONGWRITERS,
"ASHFORD & SIMPSON"
549
00:36:09,887 --> 00:36:13,557
And we all were a part of excellence
and greatness, musical greatness.
550
00:36:13,683 --> 00:36:16,726
And we so were fans of each other's work,
551
00:36:16,853 --> 00:36:20,063
so that when we saw each other,
it was just instant love.
552
00:36:20,189 --> 00:36:23,942
We got, "We knew what you were doing.
I heard what you're working on."
553
00:36:24,068 --> 00:36:26,695
And it just... We kept pushing each other.
554
00:36:26,904 --> 00:36:29,030
When you start working
with the best in the business
555
00:36:29,115 --> 00:36:30,532
Russell Thompkins, Jr.
LEAD SINGER,"THE STYLISTICS"
556
00:36:30,616 --> 00:36:32,325
that are teaching you how to dance,
how to play this
557
00:36:32,410 --> 00:36:35,745
and teaching you how to sing this,
putting you at the piano,
558
00:36:35,872 --> 00:36:40,292
vocal coaches, dancing coaches,
people who teach you how to talk.
559
00:36:40,418 --> 00:36:43,545
When you work with that from the time
that you're a young man,
560
00:36:43,713 --> 00:36:46,464
you grow up with so much influence.
561
00:36:46,632 --> 00:36:49,259
So it wasn't just the fact
that Michael Jackson
562
00:36:49,385 --> 00:36:53,263
was born with so much great talent.
He always had it around him.
563
00:36:58,561 --> 00:37:00,562
Michael Jackson studied all the artists,
all the great artists.
564
00:37:00,646 --> 00:37:01,730
Jimmy Ruffin
ARTIST, MOTOWN RECORDS
565
00:37:04,150 --> 00:37:06,818
He studied me, he studied Marvin Gaye,
he studied Stevie Wonder.
566
00:37:06,944 --> 00:37:08,236
He studied everybody.
567
00:37:08,321 --> 00:37:12,991
We were the best in the country at the time.
568
00:37:18,414 --> 00:37:21,499
The first time I saw them perform
was in San Francisco
569
00:37:21,626 --> 00:37:23,418
and I was like, "Wow."
570
00:37:23,502 --> 00:37:25,837
It was like, "There's nobody that good."
571
00:37:31,510 --> 00:37:34,804
Berry Gordy was like,
"Keep your cards close to your chest.
572
00:37:35,264 --> 00:37:37,432
"Don't let people know what you're thinking.
573
00:37:38,142 --> 00:37:41,436
"Don't let the artists know
how much people like them."
574
00:37:41,979 --> 00:37:43,688
He was a shrewd guy.
575
00:37:46,484 --> 00:37:51,446
Berry looked after every aspect
of an artist's career.
576
00:37:51,530 --> 00:37:55,909
Now, some may complain today
that they didn't get paid enough royalties
577
00:37:55,993 --> 00:37:59,788
and they never received
a lot of their publishing.
578
00:37:59,872 --> 00:38:01,456
But I'll tell you something.
579
00:38:01,999 --> 00:38:05,710
Berry Gordy made these artists.
580
00:38:06,170 --> 00:38:07,879
Everybody, I think,
had different relationships with Berry.
581
00:38:08,005 --> 00:38:09,005
Abdul "Duke" Fakir
ARTIST,"THE FOUR TOPS"
582
00:38:09,131 --> 00:38:11,967
We had a great relationship with Berry
and we still do.
583
00:38:12,051 --> 00:38:16,179
He gave us... He promised us things
that he made come true,
584
00:38:16,305 --> 00:38:21,142
that he couldn't put in the contract.
But he promised them and kept his word.
585
00:38:21,227 --> 00:38:27,482
What he saw in the Jackson 5
was a children's group that could transcend
586
00:38:27,984 --> 00:38:32,028
every age group.
And he nurtured their talents.
587
00:38:32,697 --> 00:38:34,572
He knew he had something special.
588
00:38:35,032 --> 00:38:38,034
I made him sit in while I was doing the music
589
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:39,202
Bobby Taylor
ARTIST, GORDY & MOTOWN RECORDS
590
00:38:39,829 --> 00:38:41,579
that they had to work with.
591
00:38:41,914 --> 00:38:46,251
They were with me 200 hours a day.
592
00:38:46,377 --> 00:38:49,254
Being attentive, if I saw somebody sleeping,
593
00:38:49,380 --> 00:38:51,506
then I would send them back to the house
594
00:38:51,590 --> 00:38:53,758
and tell them,
"I don't wanna see you for a week."
595
00:38:53,884 --> 00:38:56,386
They worked hard, they really worked hard.
596
00:38:57,888 --> 00:39:02,851
Michael now would stay
over at Diana Ross's house and rehearse.
597
00:39:03,060 --> 00:39:05,770
He really liked Diana Ross and she liked him.
598
00:39:06,230 --> 00:39:08,565
Diana Ross was showing him off.
599
00:39:08,733 --> 00:39:11,693
She just like...
She was the one that discovered him
600
00:39:11,777 --> 00:39:16,865
and later on I found out that Bobby Taylor
actually discovered him.
601
00:39:18,576 --> 00:39:19,784
I think we were just kids.
602
00:39:19,910 --> 00:39:23,913
We didn't realise all the great accomplishments
603
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:25,749
that we had achieved.
604
00:39:25,875 --> 00:39:31,171
Seeing Hollywood and playing
with Diana Ross. I mean, we were in heaven.
605
00:39:31,255 --> 00:39:34,924
Just those things alone was priceless to us.
606
00:39:35,092 --> 00:39:37,594
Michael told me when he came to LA,
607
00:39:37,720 --> 00:39:40,597
it was like his whole world had changed.
608
00:39:41,098 --> 00:39:46,436
He could buy as much candy as he wanted
because nobody would say no to him.
609
00:39:53,444 --> 00:39:56,029
Michael and I went to see the Four Tops,
610
00:39:56,113 --> 00:40:01,910
it was around 1971 or '72.
611
00:40:06,082 --> 00:40:08,166
Michael and David just came to the dressing room
612
00:40:08,292 --> 00:40:10,668
and in the dressing room was also Stevie Wonder.
613
00:40:11,462 --> 00:40:15,423
I said to Levi Stubbs,
"You're brilliant. I love your voice."
614
00:40:15,508 --> 00:40:19,427
And Michael looked at him and said,
"I learned everything from you."
615
00:40:19,512 --> 00:40:21,805
And he was cut off. Stevie said, "What?"
616
00:40:22,014 --> 00:40:24,891
And he grabbed Michael
and flung him up against the wall...
617
00:40:24,975 --> 00:40:27,519
And said,
"You learned everything from who?"
618
00:40:27,645 --> 00:40:29,687
And he goes, "You, Stevie, you."
619
00:40:29,814 --> 00:40:32,774
It was so funny. It was so funny.
620
00:40:33,275 --> 00:40:35,151
Levi and I, we never forgot that.
621
00:40:37,113 --> 00:40:40,365
Bobby Taylor and I would take
Michael to the golf course with us.
622
00:40:40,491 --> 00:40:43,743
He had never even picked up
a golf club in his life.
623
00:40:43,828 --> 00:40:46,496
Yet, he was our greatest golf critic.
624
00:40:46,956 --> 00:40:49,416
"Well, Smokey, you know,
you hit your ball over in the woods
625
00:40:49,500 --> 00:40:52,669
"because you didn't have your foot
standing right here..."
626
00:40:53,295 --> 00:40:59,342
"Bobby, see, your club was not, you know..."
He's gonna tell us why we had a bad shot.
627
00:40:59,677 --> 00:41:02,387
But it was fun. He was a great, fun kid.
628
00:41:05,850 --> 00:41:08,518
The first time I heard
I Want You Back in the studio,
629
00:41:08,644 --> 00:41:12,981
I noticed a different kind of brightness
to the movement,
630
00:41:13,065 --> 00:41:14,274
Ronnie Rancifer
KEYBOARDIST,"JACKSON 5" 1967-77
631
00:41:14,358 --> 00:41:16,734
other than normal Motown brightness.
632
00:41:17,403 --> 00:41:19,487
It was going in a different direction,
633
00:41:19,572 --> 00:41:23,199
which was good
because Motown's sound was diversified.
634
00:41:23,409 --> 00:41:27,495
When you listened to I Want You Back,
you knew Berry had a knack to get
635
00:41:27,580 --> 00:41:31,541
the best commercial record out of these kids
636
00:41:31,667 --> 00:41:33,918
and make them a worldwide success.
637
00:41:41,677 --> 00:41:47,182
When my sister and my mom first heard
our first hit record, I Want You Back,
638
00:41:47,266 --> 00:41:50,393
my father had sent it over,
they didn't care for it.
639
00:41:50,603 --> 00:41:52,312
I didn't like it at all.
640
00:41:52,396 --> 00:41:54,981
Because the songs that the children sang
641
00:41:55,065 --> 00:41:58,735
was more like the, I should say, soul music.
642
00:41:59,403 --> 00:42:02,363
And to me, I Want You Back
didn't sound that way.
643
00:42:02,948 --> 00:42:06,618
All the songs that was out then
sound so different,
644
00:42:06,744 --> 00:42:09,370
so I guess Berry wanted
to bring out a different style.
645
00:42:09,455 --> 00:42:13,541
Little did they know it was a very big song,
number one.
646
00:42:24,303 --> 00:42:26,429
It was just an unbelievable track.
647
00:42:26,555 --> 00:42:30,141
It just came out of the radio like lightning.
648
00:42:30,267 --> 00:42:34,729
Oh, them Jackson 5, that is a kickin' group.
649
00:42:34,813 --> 00:42:39,275
"Wow, that's them?"
And I had to get used to the song
650
00:42:39,777 --> 00:42:42,445
because even though it was a very big hit,
651
00:42:44,281 --> 00:42:47,492
your brothers singing on a record,
on vinyl, and you hearing it
652
00:42:47,618 --> 00:42:49,118
is something totally different.
653
00:42:49,662 --> 00:42:50,703
We just don't have songs that come and go,
654
00:42:50,788 --> 00:42:53,081
Voice of Michael Jackson
Interview courtesy of J. Randy Taraborrelli
655
00:42:53,165 --> 00:42:54,916
we have songs that'll be around all the time.
656
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,710
Like, you'll hear them
on the FM classical stations,
657
00:42:57,795 --> 00:43:00,838
by the Philharmonic Orchestra, things like that.
658
00:43:00,965 --> 00:43:05,176
So it's just not what people call it,
kiddie rock. It's not that.
659
00:43:05,928 --> 00:43:07,971
And a million sellers, a million selling.
660
00:43:08,305 --> 00:43:09,722
J. Randy Taraborrelli
JACKSON'S FRIEND AND BIOGRAPHER
661
00:43:09,807 --> 00:43:13,643
It was difficult to believe
that they were Motown artists,
662
00:43:13,769 --> 00:43:15,645
because they were just kids.
663
00:43:15,771 --> 00:43:19,023
It was as if they had some
kind of stardust rub off on them
664
00:43:19,149 --> 00:43:22,777
because, you know, they were
becoming close to Berry Gordy,
665
00:43:22,861 --> 00:43:25,613
Diana Ross, and to all of my idols.
666
00:43:31,287 --> 00:43:34,247
When I wrote Who's Lovin' You,
I was, you know, in my early 20s.
667
00:43:34,331 --> 00:43:35,373
Smokey Robinson
ARTIST, MOTOWN RECORDS
668
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:49,304
But at least, at that point,
I had had a chance to experience
669
00:43:49,388 --> 00:43:51,347
some life and some love.
670
00:43:51,473 --> 00:43:54,309
I was married. I got married when I was 19.
671
00:43:55,227 --> 00:43:58,980
The subject matter of the song is like a person
672
00:43:59,064 --> 00:44:03,026
who has somebody who really loves them.
673
00:44:03,527 --> 00:44:05,737
And yet they don't appreciate it.
They do the person wrong.
674
00:44:06,030 --> 00:44:08,197
The first time I heard Smokey's
Who's Lovin' You,
675
00:44:08,324 --> 00:44:10,908
my assistant was playing it
and it's one of those,
676
00:44:11,035 --> 00:44:18,041
oh, party, red-light, basement-type,
you know, up on it.
677
00:44:20,377 --> 00:44:22,253
But when Michael got ahold to it,
678
00:44:22,379 --> 00:44:25,715
and Bobby Taylor infused him up with that funk,
679
00:44:25,841 --> 00:44:30,219
man, Michael put that soul
in that song so deep, it was soulful.
680
00:44:48,072 --> 00:44:51,741
How could he possibly know what that song meant?
681
00:44:51,909 --> 00:44:53,576
He sang it like he had written it.
682
00:44:56,246 --> 00:44:59,916
I sing Who's Lovin' You, or part of it,
in my live concerts
683
00:45:00,584 --> 00:45:03,961
and many times, young people have
come up to me after the concert and said,
684
00:45:04,088 --> 00:45:06,422
"Oh, I didn't know
you sang Michael Jackson's song."
685
00:45:13,889 --> 00:45:18,810
A kid, 11 years old, singing that song
with that much emotion? It was incredible.
686
00:45:19,061 --> 00:45:20,103
Unbelievable.
687
00:45:34,618 --> 00:45:36,994
He seemed as if he was an old soul,
688
00:45:37,454 --> 00:45:40,832
that he could take a song like Who's Lovin' You
689
00:45:40,958 --> 00:45:44,794
and he could actually interpret those lyrics
690
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:46,838
in a way that made you believe
691
00:45:46,964 --> 00:45:50,591
that he had those experiences,
when actually he was 10 years old.
692
00:45:50,968 --> 00:45:54,429
If you didn't know he was a kid,
you'd have thought he was an old man.
693
00:45:55,848 --> 00:45:57,724
But he was singing it from his heart.
694
00:45:57,808 --> 00:46:00,101
You know, Michael's life
was kind of paradoxical to me,
695
00:46:00,185 --> 00:46:03,813
because when he was a child, he was a man.
696
00:46:04,314 --> 00:46:07,108
So when he was a man, he got the chance
to be a child and he took it.
697
00:46:18,996 --> 00:46:24,625
He had a way of interpreting a lyric,
even as a very young boy,
698
00:46:24,835 --> 00:46:27,336
that made you believe the song.
699
00:46:40,893 --> 00:46:42,852
He knew how to perform.
700
00:46:43,228 --> 00:46:46,189
This was, I think, something
that Berry Gordy really liked about Michael
701
00:46:46,315 --> 00:46:48,941
because, not only was he a great vocal talent,
702
00:46:49,026 --> 00:46:50,443
but he was a great performer.
703
00:46:50,527 --> 00:46:52,820
Watching him, as a kid,
be so comfortable performing
704
00:46:52,905 --> 00:46:53,988
Peabo Bryson
SINGER
705
00:46:54,072 --> 00:46:59,202
probably helped me
become a better performer, actually.
706
00:46:59,536 --> 00:47:01,454
His voice was nearly as high as Stevie Wonder's.
707
00:47:01,538 --> 00:47:02,622
Martha Reeves
ARTIST, MOTOWN RECORDS
708
00:47:02,706 --> 00:47:04,707
I met Stevie when he was eight years old
709
00:47:04,875 --> 00:47:11,297
and I said, "Here's another little youngster
who's far beyond his age, talent-wise,
710
00:47:11,381 --> 00:47:15,718
"but able to sing adult songs
in perfect-pitched voices,
711
00:47:15,844 --> 00:47:18,179
"real high voices that hadn't changed yet."
712
00:47:26,939 --> 00:47:29,190
His voice and his expressions and his...
713
00:47:29,274 --> 00:47:30,316
Weldon Arthur McDougal III
714
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:31,442
A & R EXECUTIVE,
MOTOWN RECORDS 1969-80
715
00:47:31,568 --> 00:47:35,196
...charisma start taking these songs over.
716
00:47:36,073 --> 00:47:39,992
Like, if Smokey felt like he did his song
717
00:47:40,077 --> 00:47:42,745
and more people like the way Michael
did it than him,
718
00:47:42,871 --> 00:47:45,706
that's because he did that with all
of his songs at that time.
719
00:47:51,421 --> 00:47:57,134
No matter who it was, the O'Jays, the Dells,
the Whispers or the Beatles,
720
00:47:57,594 --> 00:47:59,387
we wanted to be the best.
721
00:47:59,471 --> 00:48:02,849
And that's what we were striving for.
722
00:48:04,893 --> 00:48:11,566
Berry Gordy did not like the stuff
that Bobby Taylor was recording on them.
723
00:48:11,692 --> 00:48:17,947
I wanted to do the boys a certain way,
but he wanted me to do them his way.
724
00:48:19,283 --> 00:48:23,035
And I says, "I can't do them the way
you want me to do them.
725
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:24,871
"I must have my own head."
726
00:48:24,955 --> 00:48:26,747
So he says,
"Okay, We're going back to Detroit."
727
00:48:27,082 --> 00:48:28,624
Then he took over.
728
00:48:28,709 --> 00:48:33,796
Berry Gordy, in turn, put his crew together.
729
00:48:34,256 --> 00:48:38,718
The Corporation was established
to bring fresh new material
730
00:48:39,136 --> 00:48:40,803
to the Jackson 5.
731
00:48:40,888 --> 00:48:42,471
Youthful material.
732
00:48:42,764 --> 00:48:48,436
I think he probably felt that Bobby Taylor would
733
00:48:49,771 --> 00:48:54,817
give them more adult material
and forget that they were children.
734
00:48:54,902 --> 00:48:58,654
He saw gazillions, right?
735
00:48:59,072 --> 00:49:00,239
Then he took over.
736
00:49:00,324 --> 00:49:04,994
Bobby Taylor did never get the recognition
he should have gotten
737
00:49:05,621 --> 00:49:07,496
for working with them,
738
00:49:08,790 --> 00:49:11,000
from the group or the public.
739
00:49:13,295 --> 00:49:18,507
Bobby Taylor produced 10 songs on the
album: "Diana Ross Presents The Jackson 5"
740
00:49:20,344 --> 00:49:25,765
During 1969-70 the Jackson 5
released 4 number one singles in a row.
741
00:49:32,648 --> 00:49:34,357
The Corporation, is what they called themselves,
742
00:49:34,441 --> 00:49:39,111
they topped themselves
with those early songs by the Jackson 5,
743
00:49:39,196 --> 00:49:40,696
they were absolutely incredible.
744
00:49:40,822 --> 00:49:42,782
Absolutely incredible.
745
00:49:43,033 --> 00:49:46,869
When my boys had five gold records in a row,
746
00:49:48,997 --> 00:49:53,209
I was very proud of them because I know
it was something that they wanted
747
00:49:53,377 --> 00:49:56,128
and it was their dream.
748
00:49:56,213 --> 00:49:59,382
And they were happy and I was happy.
749
00:49:59,508 --> 00:50:01,550
The whole family was happy about that.
750
00:50:06,348 --> 00:50:08,641
We did a show once for Jesse Jackson.
751
00:50:08,725 --> 00:50:09,809
Dennis Edwards
LEAD SINGER,"THE TEMPTATIONS"
752
00:50:09,893 --> 00:50:11,644
You know, Jesse Jackson, he's the activist.
753
00:50:11,728 --> 00:50:15,398
He's got an organisation called PUSH Expo.
754
00:50:15,524 --> 00:50:17,650
He booked the Temptations and the Jackson 5.
755
00:50:17,734 --> 00:50:19,151
They were just up and coming.
756
00:50:19,236 --> 00:50:24,740
We were superstars at that time
and, oh, man, it was so many people.
757
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:29,495
When they did that show,
758
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:32,581
the Temptations got a great response.
759
00:50:34,751 --> 00:50:38,504
When the Jackson 5 came on, it was phenomenal.
760
00:50:38,922 --> 00:50:41,215
I mean, almost blew the roof off the place.
761
00:50:45,262 --> 00:50:46,929
They couldn't get us to our limos.
762
00:50:47,014 --> 00:50:50,516
They had to back up an armoured car,
a Brink's car.
763
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:53,602
It's like a moment in history.
764
00:50:54,438 --> 00:50:59,233
That's when they finally made it
with the black R&B public.
765
00:50:59,693 --> 00:51:02,445
They were just ripe for stardom.
766
00:51:05,282 --> 00:51:08,284
On the stage, he was a different guy.
767
00:51:11,121 --> 00:51:15,583
He was really as much of an actor
in so many ways as he was a singer.
768
00:51:16,209 --> 00:51:17,626
A lot of people always come up
to a lot of us and say
769
00:51:17,753 --> 00:51:20,046
Voice of Michael Jackson
Interview courtesy of J. Randy Taraborrelli
770
00:51:20,130 --> 00:51:21,130
it's like two different people.
771
00:51:21,256 --> 00:51:23,215
On stage and off stage.
772
00:51:23,300 --> 00:51:27,970
When we was talking, he's shy
and, you know, very soft spoken.
773
00:51:28,472 --> 00:51:30,973
But just when he jumped
on that stage, he's like...
774
00:51:41,485 --> 00:51:44,111
Well, I mean, he was a different person
775
00:51:44,321 --> 00:51:47,948
and I've never seen
that in another artist's life.
776
00:51:48,575 --> 00:51:50,284
He was like two guys.
777
00:51:50,410 --> 00:51:54,246
Anything he felt that he wanted to do,
he would do it on stage.
778
00:52:07,427 --> 00:52:09,845
The moment he came off of the stage,
779
00:52:09,930 --> 00:52:14,683
he was back to the little boy he was
before he went on stage.
780
00:52:22,025 --> 00:52:24,693
When I get on stage, I really,
totally do. That's with a lot of performers.
781
00:52:24,820 --> 00:52:27,113
Voice of Michael Jackson
Interview courtesy of J. Randy Taraborrelli
782
00:52:27,197 --> 00:52:28,197
I've learned that about comedians, too.
783
00:52:28,323 --> 00:52:30,783
It's like when I worked with Richard Pryor
in The Wiz.
784
00:52:30,867 --> 00:52:33,869
A lot of people think he's the funniest guy
to be around 24 hours.
785
00:52:33,954 --> 00:52:36,705
That's not true. He's really shy and quiet.
786
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:38,791
We were all like that, too.
787
00:52:38,875 --> 00:52:43,045
Singing or dancing
in front of, like, one person, can't do it.
788
00:52:43,130 --> 00:52:46,882
But, like, it's 300,000000, you feel so free,
so much easier.
789
00:52:46,967 --> 00:52:48,050
It's hard to explain.
790
00:52:56,226 --> 00:52:59,311
What motivates Michael Jackson?
791
00:53:00,188 --> 00:53:02,064
That was an audience.
792
00:53:02,482 --> 00:53:03,649
Think about it.
793
00:53:03,733 --> 00:53:09,196
He's shy, he won't look at you, right?
794
00:53:09,364 --> 00:53:10,531
On stage, what is he?
795
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:18,706
He owns it.
796
00:53:19,249 --> 00:53:21,667
So if I had people looking at him,
797
00:53:21,751 --> 00:53:24,920
I used to bring five, six girls
every time, right?
798
00:53:25,046 --> 00:53:28,340
And I'd say, "Michael, look at that girl, man.
They think you're cute."
799
00:53:28,425 --> 00:53:31,844
Michael would say,
"Dang, Bobby, they said that?"
800
00:53:31,928 --> 00:53:35,222
I said, "You better go out there
and sing now, son."
801
00:53:44,441 --> 00:53:47,526
I said, "You go out there
and you mess up now," I said,
802
00:53:47,611 --> 00:53:49,612
"They're gonna tell all the rest of the girls
out there.
803
00:53:49,696 --> 00:53:52,364
"You're gonna be one ugly little boy
everywhere you go."
804
00:54:01,208 --> 00:54:04,376
He used to go out and do one take.
805
00:54:09,549 --> 00:54:14,428
When we were on the road,
Michael would worry you to death.
806
00:54:14,721 --> 00:54:16,388
I hear somebody knocking on my door and say,
807
00:54:16,473 --> 00:54:21,143
"Hey, man, what's wrong?" "Oh, man,
what you doing? I wanna come in."
808
00:54:21,269 --> 00:54:25,898
So I'd let him in. I'd say, "Man, why don't
you hang out with Jackie and them guys?"
809
00:54:25,982 --> 00:54:28,442
"Hey, man, they got somebody in their room."
810
00:54:30,570 --> 00:54:32,404
I said, "Well, how do you know?"
811
00:54:32,489 --> 00:54:35,241
He said, "'Cause I was listening
to the door for about an hour."
812
00:54:38,662 --> 00:54:41,121
He was like a little boy, I mean, he...
813
00:54:41,248 --> 00:54:42,414
I said, "What were they doing?"
814
00:54:42,499 --> 00:54:44,833
He said, "They were talking,
but they won't let me in."
815
00:54:45,418 --> 00:54:51,173
They were like little kids
and they were very, very happy
816
00:54:51,258 --> 00:54:52,800
and very carefree.
817
00:54:52,926 --> 00:54:55,511
Michael loved being Michael Jackson at that age.
818
00:54:56,596 --> 00:54:59,682
He loved touring, he loved recording at Motown.
819
00:54:59,808 --> 00:55:03,519
He loved his fans, he loved performing.
820
00:55:03,853 --> 00:55:08,774
They had dirt bikes
and they used to go on Saturday mornings.
821
00:55:08,858 --> 00:55:12,027
They'd go to a place where they could ride them,
822
00:55:12,195 --> 00:55:14,613
and Michael used to tear that thing up.
823
00:55:14,698 --> 00:55:17,866
Man, he was flying up and down over the hills.
824
00:55:18,660 --> 00:55:22,288
I thought it was, you know, he was like
any other little boy.
825
00:55:22,664 --> 00:55:25,708
But he was a little boy with a dirt bike.
826
00:55:26,042 --> 00:55:28,460
I mean, they had two or three of them.
827
00:55:28,545 --> 00:55:32,172
So, when people say
that he didn't have a childhood,
828
00:55:32,632 --> 00:55:35,384
far as I'd seen he had a childhood.
829
00:55:35,510 --> 00:55:39,138
When he was a kid, things were a lot simpler.
830
00:55:39,347 --> 00:55:44,560
And I think that, as they got older,
the family became more divided
831
00:55:44,978 --> 00:55:46,979
and other stuff happened
in Michael Jackson's life
832
00:55:47,063 --> 00:55:49,732
to make him wish that he was 12 years old again.
833
00:55:49,858 --> 00:55:53,736
So, when he says he missed out on his childhood,
834
00:55:53,862 --> 00:55:57,531
I've always felt that what he really meant was
that he just missed it very much.
835
00:56:04,748 --> 00:56:06,665
The first time I met him was when he was 14,
836
00:56:06,750 --> 00:56:07,833
Don Black
SONGWRITER,"BEN"
837
00:56:07,917 --> 00:56:10,336
full of life, full of ambition.
838
00:56:11,504 --> 00:56:15,090
It was at the peak of his powers.
839
00:56:17,344 --> 00:56:21,388
Fire in his belly and just everything
about him was fabulous.
840
00:56:29,189 --> 00:56:31,523
I wrote it about friendship.
841
00:56:31,608 --> 00:56:34,777
The story is about this boy
who's very seriously ill
842
00:56:34,903 --> 00:56:37,196
and nothing's going right for him.
843
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:41,283
But a little rat comes along one day,
he sees it in his bedroom.
844
00:56:42,327 --> 00:56:46,955
But it was a lovely little mouse kind of rat.
845
00:56:47,624 --> 00:56:48,999
And he befriends him.
846
00:56:49,918 --> 00:56:54,046
And it makes the boy so much better,
it lifts his spirits up.
847
00:56:54,130 --> 00:56:57,341
And that's how I wrote the song,
about friendship.
848
00:56:57,467 --> 00:56:58,717
It can be about a rat.
849
00:56:58,802 --> 00:57:02,346
"The two of us need look no more.
You're always running here and there."
850
00:57:02,472 --> 00:57:04,473
But it could be about a best friend.
851
00:57:09,854 --> 00:57:14,608
When Michael recorded Ben,
I remember going to the studio
852
00:57:14,692 --> 00:57:17,236
and it was just magical. I just loved it.
853
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:21,657
I always remember Michael
getting very emotional about that song.
854
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:25,160
His eyes welled up a bit,
855
00:57:25,286 --> 00:57:26,578
particularly at the middle bit.
856
00:57:26,663 --> 00:57:28,997
I'll never forget that image.
857
00:57:29,124 --> 00:57:32,543
The middle bit was,
"I used to say 'I' and 'me',"
858
00:57:32,669 --> 00:57:35,295
"now it's 'us', now it's 'we'."
859
00:57:41,511 --> 00:57:43,887
Michael just loved those lines.
860
00:57:44,013 --> 00:57:47,307
In fact, that's why, I think,
we repeat them in the song.
861
00:57:47,392 --> 00:57:48,851
We do it again.
862
00:57:54,190 --> 00:57:56,984
There was a longing, I think,
for love and acceptance,
863
00:57:57,068 --> 00:57:59,403
going all the way back
to when he was a little kid.
864
00:57:59,529 --> 00:58:04,408
And you were able to hear that longing
in his voice.
865
00:58:04,534 --> 00:58:05,617
Singing is passion.
866
00:58:05,702 --> 00:58:06,743
Bobby Taylor
ARTIST, GORDY & MOTOWN RECORDS
867
00:58:06,870 --> 00:58:08,036
You have to do it from inside of you.
868
00:58:08,872 --> 00:58:12,499
It has to come from your soul, your heart.
869
00:58:15,503 --> 00:58:16,920
And Michael Jackson had that.
870
00:58:17,046 --> 00:58:19,673
It wasn't done for the posture of "I did this."
871
00:58:19,757 --> 00:58:21,341
Dionne Warwick
SINGER
872
00:58:21,426 --> 00:58:25,053
It was done because his heart said,
"This is what I need to do," and he did it.
873
00:58:25,430 --> 00:58:26,722
Michael sings like an angel.
874
00:58:26,806 --> 00:58:28,390
He has the voice of an angel and he does...
875
00:58:28,516 --> 00:58:29,558
Kenny Gamble & Leon Huff
876
00:58:29,642 --> 00:58:30,893
PRODUCERS & SONGWRITERS,
PHILADELPHIA INT. RECORDS
877
00:58:31,019 --> 00:58:33,645
Every note is right on it and he was doing
that at nine years old.
878
00:58:33,730 --> 00:58:36,231
I recorded Ben I don't know how long ago.
879
00:58:36,357 --> 00:58:38,650
I mean, I hear it all the time still,
you know, go on and on and on.
880
00:58:38,735 --> 00:58:41,069
Voice of Michael Jackson
Interview courtesy of J. Randy Taraborrelli
881
00:58:41,154 --> 00:58:42,571
Yeah, it's selling more now.
882
00:58:42,655 --> 00:58:44,531
So, it's what you leave behind, I think.
883
00:58:51,414 --> 00:58:55,542
There are people who come along
once in a lifetime.
884
00:58:56,085 --> 00:58:58,378
Michael Jackson, he only happens once.
885
00:59:18,024 --> 00:59:21,360
When you think about Michael Jackson,
you think about him as a kid.
886
00:59:21,444 --> 00:59:22,528
Freda Payne
SINGER
887
00:59:22,612 --> 00:59:26,532
Like when he did some
of those earlier songs, like Ben.
888
00:59:33,456 --> 00:59:36,959
And then as he grew and evolved
and became a young man,
889
00:59:38,586 --> 00:59:42,047
I saw the metamorphosis
of a beautiful, beautiful flower,
890
00:59:42,131 --> 00:59:44,424
just blooming and unfolding.
891
00:59:49,889 --> 00:59:51,890
Michael enjoyed what he was doing.
892
00:59:51,975 --> 00:59:53,058
Mickey & Jan Rooney
JACKSON'S FRIENDS
893
00:59:53,142 --> 00:59:58,146
That's why, transition from very young
to getting older,
894
00:59:58,481 --> 01:00:04,987
it's just one year after another,
but doing what the good Lord let us do.
895
01:00:05,488 --> 01:00:08,323
When Michael became a teenager,
his voice changed.
896
01:00:08,408 --> 01:00:11,159
He realised that he would be singing
different types of music,
897
01:00:11,244 --> 01:00:12,244
David Gest
MICHAEL'S CLOSE FRIEND
898
01:00:12,328 --> 01:00:15,998
not kiddie pop songs
like he had been most of his career.
899
01:00:17,417 --> 01:00:21,003
The first time we worked
with the Jackson 5 was very exciting.
900
01:00:21,129 --> 01:00:23,338
Because the one thing I noticed about the group,
901
01:00:23,423 --> 01:00:24,423
Brian & Eddie Holland
902
01:00:24,507 --> 01:00:25,591
SONGWRITERS,
HOLLAND-DOZIER-HOLLAND
903
01:00:25,675 --> 01:00:28,927
that they were extremely down to earth,
very mannerable,
904
01:00:29,012 --> 01:00:30,679
very, very polite.
905
01:00:30,805 --> 01:00:34,433
Michael recorded several songs
of mine and the Hollands'
906
01:00:34,517 --> 01:00:35,684
Lamont Dozier
SONGWRITER, HOLLAND-DOZIER-HOLLAND
907
01:00:35,810 --> 01:00:38,145
and Forever Came Today was one of my favourites.
908
01:00:42,859 --> 01:00:46,320
He had such pipes and drama in his voice
909
01:00:46,446 --> 01:00:48,155
to be so young.
910
01:00:52,660 --> 01:00:54,953
He was just one of a kind in that respect.
911
01:00:55,038 --> 01:00:57,164
He really did the songs justice.
912
01:00:58,958 --> 01:01:02,878
I think Michael knew how important lyric
was to the song.
913
01:01:02,962 --> 01:01:04,046
Valerie Simpson & Nickolas Ashford
914
01:01:04,130 --> 01:01:05,547
SINGERS & SONGWRITERS,
"ASHFORD & SIMPSON"
915
01:01:05,673 --> 01:01:08,967
And it had to reach, touch something,
I think, for him to really wanna sing it.
916
01:01:09,052 --> 01:01:12,804
And, you know,
he'd dance and sing at the same time
917
01:01:12,889 --> 01:01:15,724
so it had to correspond with his body, too.
918
01:01:15,808 --> 01:01:19,061
So it all had to be one piece for him.
919
01:01:23,566 --> 01:01:26,902
He didn't want fluff.
He wanted something with legs on it,
920
01:01:27,028 --> 01:01:29,321
something that was gonna last through time
921
01:01:29,405 --> 01:01:31,823
and that's actually what he ended up creating.
922
01:01:32,033 --> 01:01:36,078
The bigger he became as an artist,
923
01:01:36,913 --> 01:01:41,416
the more enamoured he seemed
to be over songwriters.
924
01:01:46,089 --> 01:01:50,592
A lot of people have done those songs
and couldn't get a handle on them
925
01:01:50,718 --> 01:01:53,345
like the Levi Stubbs or Diana Ross,
926
01:01:53,429 --> 01:01:57,224
but he just had a knack, a gift.
927
01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:00,936
He already had a cake
but then he put icing all on top of it.
928
01:02:05,233 --> 01:02:06,775
Around 1974,
929
01:02:07,235 --> 01:02:09,778
they started doing product at Motown
that perhaps wasn't the best.
930
01:02:09,862 --> 01:02:11,196
J. Randy Taraborrelli
JACKSON FRIEND AND BIOGRAPHER
931
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:14,866
As a fan, I loved songs
like The Boogie Man is gonna get you,
932
01:02:14,951 --> 01:02:18,787
and Lookin' through the Windows, and Skywriter,
933
01:02:18,955 --> 01:02:20,956
but these songs weren't hits.
934
01:02:22,792 --> 01:02:24,292
Joe mentioned to me
935
01:02:24,377 --> 01:02:30,298
several times that he felt like
Motown was taking the group over,
936
01:02:30,425 --> 01:02:33,301
taking them away from his direction.
937
01:02:34,804 --> 01:02:36,555
What happened was that
938
01:02:36,639 --> 01:02:39,099
Marvin Gaye and Stevie Wonder
and Smokey Robinson
939
01:02:39,225 --> 01:02:41,893
were writing and producing
and doing a lot of things at Motown
940
01:02:42,145 --> 01:02:44,479
that the Jacksons had begun
to want to do for themselves.
941
01:02:44,897 --> 01:02:47,733
And to see how Motown treated other artists
942
01:02:47,817 --> 01:02:50,152
and how the other artists was making it,
943
01:02:50,486 --> 01:02:52,070
it was kind of disillusion.
944
01:02:53,990 --> 01:02:57,826
The company was being
run at that time by Ewart Abner,
945
01:02:57,910 --> 01:03:00,787
Berry Gordy was making movies with Diana Ross.
946
01:03:01,164 --> 01:03:03,081
And Abner felt pretty strongly
947
01:03:03,166 --> 01:03:06,334
that they should not be writing
and producing their own music,
948
01:03:06,502 --> 01:03:09,004
that they should just
accept the material that came their way
949
01:03:09,130 --> 01:03:11,089
and just do a good job with it in the studio.
950
01:03:12,759 --> 01:03:14,509
Michael was very disillusioned.
951
01:03:15,136 --> 01:03:17,637
He wanted to not only write his own material
952
01:03:17,805 --> 01:03:19,598
but produce it as well.
953
01:03:19,682 --> 01:03:20,766
He realised
954
01:03:20,850 --> 01:03:24,519
if he was to reach these goals,
he would have to go somewhere else.
955
01:03:26,272 --> 01:03:28,982
Joe Jackson called me and told me
956
01:03:29,108 --> 01:03:30,692
that they were looking for a place to go.
957
01:03:30,818 --> 01:03:31,860
Kenny Gamble & Leon Huff
958
01:03:31,944 --> 01:03:33,195
PRODUCERS & SONGWRITERS,
PHILADELPHIA INT. RECORDS
959
01:03:33,321 --> 01:03:34,529
And of course, Huff and myself,
960
01:03:34,614 --> 01:03:37,491
we tried to get them
for Philly International Records.
961
01:03:37,700 --> 01:03:39,701
But at the same time, CBS
962
01:03:39,994 --> 01:03:42,662
was negotiating with them also.
963
01:03:42,872 --> 01:03:44,956
I wanted to know if there was a shot, a chance,
964
01:03:45,041 --> 01:03:46,541
Ron Alexenburg
SNR. VICE PRESIDENT CBS & EPIC RECORDS
965
01:03:46,626 --> 01:03:50,045
of being able to get involved.
And I was told there was.
966
01:03:51,297 --> 01:03:54,549
The next is, we sat down
and we started to negotiate.
967
01:03:55,301 --> 01:03:57,385
They wanted a million dollars.
968
01:03:57,470 --> 01:03:59,971
And I figured,
"Okay, that's all I could approve up to."
969
01:04:00,056 --> 01:04:01,473
That was my approval level.
970
01:04:02,058 --> 01:04:03,558
I had to go through the ranks
971
01:04:03,684 --> 01:04:07,312
and ll said,
"We have a chance of signing the Jackson 5"
972
01:04:07,396 --> 01:04:09,397
and they said, "They're done."
973
01:04:09,524 --> 01:04:10,816
I said, "No, I'm sorry.
974
01:04:11,025 --> 01:04:13,652
"I believe in them,
I believe that there's a big future,
975
01:04:13,736 --> 01:04:15,237
"I believe that Michael Jackson
976
01:04:15,905 --> 01:04:18,824
"could be one of the biggest stars ever."
977
01:04:20,576 --> 01:04:21,701
That took care of that.
978
01:04:21,869 --> 01:04:25,580
I was handed the letter and they said,
"There's your deal memo, go sign them."
979
01:04:25,998 --> 01:04:27,332
In order to move on and progress,
980
01:04:27,416 --> 01:04:28,500
Katherine Jackson MICHAEL'S MOTHER
981
01:04:28,584 --> 01:04:30,168
Joseph said he had to do it
982
01:04:30,253 --> 01:04:34,256
because he wanted the children
to get credit for their writings and all of that,
983
01:04:34,340 --> 01:04:36,174
and they couldn't do that at Motown.
984
01:04:36,259 --> 01:04:39,761
CBS offered them movies,
they offered them a TV show,
985
01:04:39,887 --> 01:04:41,388
cartoons and everything.
986
01:04:41,848 --> 01:04:45,559
And of course Gamble and Huff, you know,
we couldn't offer them all those things.
987
01:04:46,352 --> 01:04:49,354
So they decided to go with CBS.
988
01:04:49,605 --> 01:04:52,023
Probably the most important signing
of my career.
989
01:04:54,026 --> 01:04:57,737
The Jackson 5
Left Motown Records and went to CBS.
990
01:04:57,905 --> 01:05:00,949
Jermaine stayed behind
because he was married to Hazel
991
01:05:01,284 --> 01:05:03,577
and Hazel was Berry Gordy's daughter.
992
01:05:05,121 --> 01:05:08,123
When my boys left Jermaine back at Motown,
993
01:05:09,125 --> 01:05:11,793
it hurt, because Jermaine wouldn't come.
994
01:05:11,878 --> 01:05:14,713
I don't know if it was upset or angry or
whatever or disappointment or whatever,
995
01:05:14,797 --> 01:05:15,881
Tito Jackson
MICHAEL'S BROTHER
996
01:05:15,965 --> 01:05:19,426
it just was a sad time, that's all.
That's the word. It was sad.
997
01:05:20,136 --> 01:05:24,139
Jermaine felt
that he owed his allegiance to Berry
998
01:05:24,307 --> 01:05:27,142
"cause Berry was the one that gave us our start."
999
01:05:27,894 --> 01:05:29,644
And I felt the same way.
1000
01:05:30,313 --> 01:05:33,982
Berry Gordy maintained the name "Jackson 5"
1001
01:05:34,066 --> 01:05:35,483
and they really thought that maybe
1002
01:05:35,651 --> 01:05:39,404
it wasn't fair that Berry got to keep
the name "Jackson 5,"
1003
01:05:39,488 --> 01:05:41,990
so they went to CBS as the Jacksons.
1004
01:05:43,826 --> 01:05:49,831
I was not prepared
for the rubbish that would come my way.
1005
01:05:49,957 --> 01:05:52,751
It was this fear, I guess,
1006
01:05:52,835 --> 01:05:57,255
that what the supposed "lily white" company
1007
01:05:57,340 --> 01:06:00,300
was gonna do to this black family.
1008
01:06:01,761 --> 01:06:04,679
I received phone calls, I received threats.
1009
01:06:05,348 --> 01:06:08,850
There was a lot of prejudice in the business.
1010
01:06:08,976 --> 01:06:15,941
Black records usually had to cross over
from being R&B to pop stations.
1011
01:06:16,150 --> 01:06:19,611
Very rarely did a pop station
just go on a black record.
1012
01:06:19,695 --> 01:06:23,698
It's the most ridiculous thing in the world
when you think of it now
1013
01:06:23,783 --> 01:06:26,034
because it's not like that any more.
1014
01:06:26,118 --> 01:06:28,787
But it sure was in the '60s and '70s.
1015
01:06:29,121 --> 01:06:30,705
Music business was segregated
1016
01:06:30,790 --> 01:06:33,833
and even though the Jackson 5 had crossed over,
1017
01:06:34,543 --> 01:06:37,212
there was just always
this thing that was going on
1018
01:06:37,296 --> 01:06:38,630
that there was a difference
1019
01:06:38,714 --> 01:06:41,383
between R&B and pop.
1020
01:06:41,884 --> 01:06:44,970
Forget the colour, listen to the music.
1021
01:06:45,054 --> 01:06:48,181
Does the music excite your audience?
Yes. Play it.
1022
01:06:57,149 --> 01:07:00,318
Ron Alexenburg called us and asked us
1023
01:07:00,903 --> 01:07:02,654
if we would produce them.
1024
01:07:02,822 --> 01:07:04,990
I wanted to go to proven winners
1025
01:07:05,074 --> 01:07:08,410
and that's why I picked up the phone
and called Kenny Gamble and Leon Huff
1026
01:07:08,744 --> 01:07:11,746
and it was only at that time that I found out
that they were also
1027
01:07:12,206 --> 01:07:14,165
trying to sign the Jacksons and I said,
1028
01:07:14,250 --> 01:07:17,252
"Well, pretend that you signed them
but they're gonna be on Epic Records
1029
01:07:17,378 --> 01:07:19,170
"and please produce them for me."
1030
01:07:22,383 --> 01:07:23,425
That transition
1031
01:07:23,592 --> 01:07:26,094
was a trying time, because
1032
01:07:26,220 --> 01:07:28,847
they had a lot of emotional things
going on with them
1033
01:07:28,931 --> 01:07:33,893
because this was the first time
that Jermaine was not recording with them.
1034
01:07:34,145 --> 01:07:35,186
When Jermaine left,
1035
01:07:35,354 --> 01:07:38,106
Randy came into the group
1036
01:07:38,190 --> 01:07:44,404
and Joe had been preparing Randy,
for a long time, to become a member.
1037
01:07:44,947 --> 01:07:47,699
And he fit in like a glove.
1038
01:07:48,451 --> 01:07:50,326
This here gentleman is Randy Jackson,
1039
01:07:50,411 --> 01:07:51,453
The Jacksons
PHILADELPHIA INT. STUDIO 1977
1040
01:07:51,537 --> 01:07:55,123
and he happens to be the youngest
and the ugliest member of the Jackson 5.
1041
01:07:55,207 --> 01:07:57,917
Now what's the excuse for you, so ugly?
1042
01:07:59,170 --> 01:08:01,880
"Cause I take after my big brother, Tito."
1043
01:08:02,048 --> 01:08:06,092
As soon as we found a recording date
for an artist,
1044
01:08:06,177 --> 01:08:08,344
we would start writing for them
1045
01:08:08,429 --> 01:08:11,222
and not only would Gamble and Huff
write for them,
1046
01:08:11,307 --> 01:08:13,558
but we had McFadden and Whitehead
who wrote for them.
1047
01:08:13,851 --> 01:08:17,604
- All of our writers, all of our staff...
- Dexter, Cynthia Biggs...
1048
01:08:17,688 --> 01:08:19,856
They would know
that the Jacksons were coming in.
1049
01:08:21,859 --> 01:08:24,903
Kenny Gamble and Leon Huff instructed me
1050
01:08:25,112 --> 01:08:26,738
to write a number one for them
1051
01:08:26,822 --> 01:08:30,366
to see if I could come up with any material
that they liked,
1052
01:08:30,451 --> 01:08:31,534
Dexter Wansel
PRODUCER & SONGWRITER
1053
01:08:31,619 --> 01:08:35,580
meaning the Jacksons,
and that Gamble and Huff could approve.
1054
01:08:35,956 --> 01:08:38,166
And so, we would have prepared for them
1055
01:08:39,085 --> 01:08:41,461
maybe 200 songs when they walked in the door.
1056
01:08:41,545 --> 01:08:46,007
And then we'd take those 200 songs
and we'd cut them down to maybe, like, 12.
1057
01:08:46,467 --> 01:08:48,968
The Jacksons themselves were
1058
01:08:49,053 --> 01:08:52,222
interested in moving on with their career.
1059
01:08:52,348 --> 01:08:54,682
They wanted to write, they wanted to produce.
1060
01:08:55,017 --> 01:08:57,644
So Huff and I, we helped them produce.
1061
01:08:57,728 --> 01:09:00,480
Tito was excellent,
"cause he's a great guitar player.
1062
01:09:00,564 --> 01:09:06,027
Kenny Gamble and Leon Huff
was very warm, nice people.
1063
01:09:06,112 --> 01:09:07,403
They had a lot of soul,
1064
01:09:07,947 --> 01:09:09,656
we had a lot in common with the music.
1065
01:09:09,740 --> 01:09:11,116
When I cut their tracks,
1066
01:09:11,242 --> 01:09:13,952
I always included Tito
1067
01:09:14,161 --> 01:09:15,578
in the rhythm section.
1068
01:09:15,663 --> 01:09:20,208
And he told me Motown would not
let him play on their tracks,
1069
01:09:20,417 --> 01:09:22,168
but he played on every one of mine.
1070
01:09:23,921 --> 01:09:28,174
Our studio was running
24 hours a day, so it was like a machine.
1071
01:09:28,509 --> 01:09:29,551
Sometimes,
1072
01:09:29,677 --> 01:09:33,263
we might wanna work until the wee hours
1073
01:09:33,556 --> 01:09:34,639
of the morning.
1074
01:09:34,723 --> 01:09:38,685
Depends on how strong
your creative juices is flowing
1075
01:09:38,853 --> 01:09:40,353
at that moment.
1076
01:09:40,437 --> 01:09:43,231
And the Jacksons were used to curfews.
1077
01:09:44,108 --> 01:09:46,901
But that changed in Philly.
1078
01:09:46,986 --> 01:09:49,404
Well, they were older, they were teenagers then.
1079
01:09:49,488 --> 01:09:52,907
But they were still trying
to induce that old system,
1080
01:09:52,992 --> 01:09:55,785
and Michael rebelled against it.
1081
01:09:56,579 --> 01:09:59,706
Because Michael wanted to hang out
1082
01:10:00,499 --> 01:10:03,960
into the wee hours of the morning, so...
And that's what he did.
1083
01:10:04,253 --> 01:10:07,255
Michael loved his time with Gamble and Huff.
1084
01:10:07,339 --> 01:10:10,133
He really appreciated working with two geniuses
1085
01:10:10,217 --> 01:10:12,427
who wrote so many classic songs.
1086
01:10:12,511 --> 01:10:17,307
Can you tell us, what made you want
to sing in the first place?
1087
01:10:17,391 --> 01:10:18,683
- I don't know.
- You don't know?
1088
01:10:18,767 --> 01:10:21,895
Well, you know how that goes with children.
They just don't know, do they?
1089
01:10:22,104 --> 01:10:24,981
Michael, at that time, was always shy
1090
01:10:25,107 --> 01:10:26,816
and really reserved.
1091
01:10:26,901 --> 01:10:29,611
We would say, "I wanna go get something
to eat," or "Let's do this."
1092
01:10:30,029 --> 01:10:32,447
And he would go, "Okay."
1093
01:10:32,698 --> 01:10:33,990
And he was very humble.
1094
01:10:34,074 --> 01:10:36,618
And I think he was pretty humble
through his life.
1095
01:10:36,702 --> 01:10:40,079
- What's your name?
- Christopher Wansel.
1096
01:10:41,498 --> 01:10:44,042
I was young when that video was made,
I was, like, one or two years old.
1097
01:10:44,126 --> 01:10:45,168
Christopher Wansel
JACKSON FRIEND
1098
01:10:45,252 --> 01:10:47,212
The relationship with the Jacksons started there
1099
01:10:47,296 --> 01:10:48,546
and it continued throughout life.
1100
01:10:48,839 --> 01:10:49,881
Can you sing?
1101
01:10:51,926 --> 01:10:56,137
He can't dance? I wanna see his dance.
1102
01:10:56,222 --> 01:10:59,140
- Come on, man!
- You don't have to.
1103
01:11:00,226 --> 01:11:02,894
I remember a lot of just,
1104
01:11:03,270 --> 01:11:05,980
I guess, excitement and just joy
with those guys at that point, you know,
1105
01:11:06,065 --> 01:11:09,400
"cause a lot of people that would record
would be serious,"
1106
01:11:09,485 --> 01:11:11,194
you wouldn't get a smile or anything,
1107
01:11:11,278 --> 01:11:13,196
but these guys were constantly joking
left and right.
1108
01:11:13,489 --> 01:11:15,031
What do you do, booger?
1109
01:11:16,867 --> 01:11:18,785
Well, other than being "the Bishop of Soul"
1110
01:11:18,869 --> 01:11:21,162
I'm also "the Monk of Funk"
and "the High Priest of Rock"
1111
01:11:21,247 --> 01:11:23,206
and "the Bishop of Soul."
1112
01:11:23,415 --> 01:11:25,083
All right!
Who said that?
1113
01:11:25,918 --> 01:11:28,461
I met Michael Jackson
when he first came to Philly
1114
01:11:28,545 --> 01:11:29,587
Billy Paul
ARTIST, PHILADELPHIA INT. RECORDS
1115
01:11:29,797 --> 01:11:31,673
back in, I think, it was 1974.
1116
01:11:32,007 --> 01:11:35,843
He was a very shy, young kid, you know.
1117
01:11:35,928 --> 01:11:38,304
And he was very excited to meet me, you know,
1118
01:11:38,389 --> 01:11:41,891
"cause he... Mrs Jones...
It was at the height of Mrs Jones."
1119
01:11:42,434 --> 01:11:46,020
I welcomed him to the studio and told him
he was gonna enjoy it
1120
01:11:47,273 --> 01:11:50,191
and I'd do a good job, you know,
and he just laughed.
1121
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:53,569
Michael's voice had changed, obviously,
1122
01:11:53,654 --> 01:11:54,696
from the little boy
1123
01:11:54,780 --> 01:11:58,116
that could hit all those high, piercing,
I'll Be There notes
1124
01:11:58,367 --> 01:12:00,535
to a rawer sound.
1125
01:12:00,619 --> 01:12:02,287
But he was a great singer because
1126
01:12:02,413 --> 01:12:05,456
he studied the great singers,
he wanted to sing like them.
1127
01:12:05,791 --> 01:12:08,835
He knew what he wanted to do with his voice,
1128
01:12:08,919 --> 01:12:12,714
like over-dubbing his voice
and doubling his voice
1129
01:12:12,798 --> 01:12:15,466
and speeding up one voice and this one...
1130
01:12:15,551 --> 01:12:19,721
These are things that he was telling me,
you know. We're the producers.
1131
01:12:19,805 --> 01:12:22,932
He would say,
"Gamble, can I try this? Can I try that?"
1132
01:12:23,017 --> 01:12:25,018
I said, "Yeah, try anything you want."
1133
01:12:26,270 --> 01:12:28,313
- We let him express himself.
- Yeah.
1134
01:12:28,439 --> 01:12:29,480
You know, he was in there
1135
01:12:29,898 --> 01:12:33,109
through the mixes,
he was around me and Huff all the time.
1136
01:12:33,444 --> 01:12:37,572
I remember when they were working
with Gamble and Huff in Philadelphia,
1137
01:12:37,656 --> 01:12:41,367
and I liked their sound and I liked what they
did and they helped them out a lot.
1138
01:12:41,452 --> 01:12:45,038
And that's when
the boys first start writing, too.
1139
01:12:47,416 --> 01:12:50,668
Their first record produced by Gamble and Huff,
1140
01:12:50,753 --> 01:12:51,878
even though it went gold,
1141
01:12:52,254 --> 01:12:55,381
wasn't a really huge album for them.
1142
01:12:55,466 --> 01:12:58,885
It mid-charted in around the 50s
1143
01:12:59,136 --> 01:13:01,512
and he wanted something that was number one.
1144
01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:06,934
When they did their second album, Goin' Places,
1145
01:13:07,770 --> 01:13:09,854
the album was really a flop.
1146
01:13:09,938 --> 01:13:11,147
He was used to selling
1147
01:13:11,273 --> 01:13:14,484
a million or so albums on Motown.
1148
01:13:14,735 --> 01:13:17,153
And he really, in no disrespect to them,
1149
01:13:17,488 --> 01:13:22,992
wanted to produce and write
all his own material.
1150
01:13:23,077 --> 01:13:24,786
He wanted to be in charge.
1151
01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:30,458
Released in 1978 "Destiny" was the
first album produced by the Jacksons.
1152
01:13:30,542 --> 01:13:33,378
When I first heard Destiny,
1153
01:13:33,462 --> 01:13:35,963
I liked it very much.
I was very proud of them.
1154
01:13:36,090 --> 01:13:37,673
I thought they did a real good job.
1155
01:13:40,177 --> 01:13:44,847
The album re-established
The Jacksons as a top selling group.
1156
01:13:50,062 --> 01:13:53,022
He kept reaching for higher plateaus
1157
01:13:53,315 --> 01:13:55,358
and he felt, maybe, that if the group...
1158
01:13:55,484 --> 01:13:56,567
Dennis Edwards
LEAD SINGER,"THE TEMPTATIONS"
1159
01:13:56,652 --> 01:13:59,612
Where he wanted to go,
they probably couldn't go with him.
1160
01:13:59,863 --> 01:14:04,826
Michael was beginning
to think of himself as a solo artist
1161
01:14:04,910 --> 01:14:08,579
and I always wondered
what would happen to the brothers
1162
01:14:08,664 --> 01:14:10,081
if Michael left the group.
1163
01:14:10,165 --> 01:14:14,085
Without Michael Jackson, that was gonna be
a tough road for the Jacksons.
1164
01:14:14,169 --> 01:14:15,211
And I also believed
1165
01:14:15,295 --> 01:14:18,256
that that's one of the reasons why
Michael put it off for as long as he could.
1166
01:14:18,590 --> 01:14:19,674
Yeah, I figured he'd go solo.
1167
01:14:19,758 --> 01:14:20,967
Jimmy Ruffin
ARTIST, MOTOWN RECORDS
1168
01:14:21,051 --> 01:14:24,554
He was too good.
He couldn't carry his brothers forever.
1169
01:14:27,057 --> 01:14:28,599
One of the lawyers called me in
1170
01:14:28,934 --> 01:14:31,060
and he told me to tell the boys
to save their money
1171
01:14:31,145 --> 01:14:33,354
because Michael is gonna go solo.
1172
01:14:33,439 --> 01:14:35,231
I said, "He can't do that."
1173
01:14:35,315 --> 01:14:37,400
And he said,
"Well, he don't need his brothers."
1174
01:14:38,360 --> 01:14:40,153
I said, "They need one another."
1175
01:14:40,779 --> 01:14:44,115
Joseph just felt that what was really important
1176
01:14:44,199 --> 01:14:46,993
wasn't the individual success of the group
1177
01:14:47,327 --> 01:14:52,248
but it was the group itself
and it was the family itself.
1178
01:14:52,332 --> 01:14:57,670
And that's easy to say
when you're not the lead singer of the group.
1179
01:14:58,297 --> 01:15:02,467
I saw Michael leaving his father as a positive,
1180
01:15:02,551 --> 01:15:05,678
no longer persecuting him, abusing him
1181
01:15:05,971 --> 01:15:10,266
or saying things to him that were ugly.
1182
01:15:10,350 --> 01:15:13,936
He seemed to only be
getting it from one source, his father.
1183
01:15:14,146 --> 01:15:16,981
Michael never felt comfortable
with Joe as his manager,
1184
01:15:17,065 --> 01:15:18,441
"cause he was afraid of him."
1185
01:15:18,525 --> 01:15:21,652
And when you're afraid of somebody,
you don't wanna be around them.
1186
01:15:21,904 --> 01:15:24,655
That was his destiny, to be by himself.
1187
01:15:24,740 --> 01:15:27,033
His confidence level was really high
1188
01:15:27,117 --> 01:15:30,328
and when he made the transition
from us to Quincy,
1189
01:15:30,412 --> 01:15:31,454
he was ready.
1190
01:15:36,084 --> 01:15:38,794
Michael really admired Quincy Jones.
1191
01:15:39,671 --> 01:15:40,838
Because
1192
01:15:41,131 --> 01:15:43,090
Quincy had produced Frank Sinatra,
1193
01:15:45,385 --> 01:15:46,427
Ella Fitzgerald,
1194
01:15:48,305 --> 01:15:49,388
Dinah Washington,
1195
01:15:50,724 --> 01:15:56,354
And so many other acts
during his very illustrious career.
1196
01:15:58,315 --> 01:16:01,526
When he was about to do Off The Wall,
he went to him,
1197
01:16:02,277 --> 01:16:04,195
asking for suggestions
1198
01:16:04,696 --> 01:16:08,783
of people that might be interested
in working with him.
1199
01:16:08,867 --> 01:16:14,121
And the story goes that Quincy Jones said,
"I'm available," and he said,
1200
01:16:14,748 --> 01:16:16,666
"I would love to work with you."
1201
01:16:17,876 --> 01:16:21,546
I was in the studio
for the Off The Wall sessions,
1202
01:16:21,755 --> 01:16:26,217
and so, I was able to actually watch
Michael and Quincy work together.
1203
01:16:26,301 --> 01:16:31,889
And Michael really thought of Quincy
as sort of the father that he hoped
1204
01:16:32,182 --> 01:16:34,267
Joseph could have been for him.
1205
01:16:34,351 --> 01:16:37,144
One of the things that Michael told me
he loved about Working With Quincy
1206
01:16:37,229 --> 01:16:41,107
Was that Quincy thought
Michael's ideas were good ideas.
1207
01:16:41,942 --> 01:16:44,402
And if you listen to some of the demos,
1208
01:16:44,528 --> 01:16:48,239
those songs were complete
When Michael brought them to Quincy.
1209
01:16:48,323 --> 01:16:49,991
I mean, you could have just put them out.
1210
01:16:50,409 --> 01:16:53,744
And Quincy appreciated the fact
that Michael had this amazing ability.
1211
01:16:53,996 --> 01:16:55,454
There was a lot of respect there.
1212
01:16:56,331 --> 01:16:59,667
Quincy Jones has always been
smart about merging what he has to offer
1213
01:16:59,918 --> 01:17:01,127
with what the artist has to offer
1214
01:17:01,211 --> 01:17:03,004
and I think that's probably
one of Quincy's greatest gifts.
1215
01:17:03,088 --> 01:17:04,130
Peabo Bryson
SINGER
1216
01:17:04,214 --> 01:17:06,507
And he certainly did that with Michael
in abundance.
1217
01:17:07,968 --> 01:17:10,970
I will never forget when
he brought Off The Wall over to my house
1218
01:17:11,179 --> 01:17:14,265
to play it for me.
1219
01:17:14,349 --> 01:17:20,688
It just jumped right out of the record player.
1220
01:17:20,772 --> 01:17:26,694
It was the most unbelievable album
1221
01:17:26,778 --> 01:17:28,279
I'd ever heard to that date.
1222
01:17:28,363 --> 01:17:30,656
To me, that's one of the greatest albums
I've ever heard in my life.
1223
01:17:30,741 --> 01:17:32,158
Russell Thompkins, Jr.
LEAD SINGER,"THE STYLISTICS"
1224
01:17:32,242 --> 01:17:33,284
When the musicians that I know,
1225
01:17:33,368 --> 01:17:37,913
and we all sit around
and we listen to the arrangements,
1226
01:17:38,373 --> 01:17:41,959
and the production that was done on that
album, the things that Quincy Jones did,
1227
01:17:42,169 --> 01:17:43,294
was fantastic.
1228
01:17:43,420 --> 01:17:45,963
Quincy Jones had horn players
playing such fantastic licks
1229
01:17:46,048 --> 01:17:47,131
Martha Reeves
ARTIST, MOTOWN RECORDS
1230
01:17:47,215 --> 01:17:51,093
and had drummers and percussions
that Michael had to dance to,
1231
01:17:51,178 --> 01:17:54,055
and that only made him even the more exciting.
1232
01:17:54,473 --> 01:17:57,683
Quincy was a great arranger,
1233
01:17:57,768 --> 01:18:02,480
Michael was a great singer,
and also had a great foresight
1234
01:18:02,564 --> 01:18:04,857
and it just was a marriage made in heaven.
1235
01:18:06,318 --> 01:18:07,526
I had the pleasure
1236
01:18:07,611 --> 01:18:09,403
of coming up in the same era and watching him
1237
01:18:09,488 --> 01:18:10,529
Eddie Floyd
SINGER & SONGWRITER, STAX RECORDS
1238
01:18:10,614 --> 01:18:13,366
and once he got with Michael... Wow...
1239
01:18:13,575 --> 01:18:15,242
History speaks for itself.
1240
01:18:16,370 --> 01:18:17,495
There was just no way
1241
01:18:17,871 --> 01:18:19,705
that these songs weren't going to be big hits.
1242
01:18:21,958 --> 01:18:24,752
An album would have two very good songs on it
1243
01:18:25,170 --> 01:18:29,131
that they know is gonna be hits,
and then they throw anything on an album,
1244
01:18:29,299 --> 01:18:30,633
to fill it out.
1245
01:18:30,717 --> 01:18:34,679
And he said, "Mother, I don't believe in that.
I think every song should be a hit."
1246
01:18:34,846 --> 01:18:37,973
And so, he just put good songs out there
and gave the people
1247
01:18:38,058 --> 01:18:39,517
good product.
1248
01:18:42,688 --> 01:18:45,981
Actually, it made me start dancing again
1249
01:18:46,066 --> 01:18:47,108
when I went out,
1250
01:18:47,192 --> 01:18:50,945
"cause I was one of those
"I don't wanna sweat" guys.
1251
01:18:51,029 --> 01:18:53,739
When Off The Wall was on,
you had to hit the dance floor.
1252
01:18:53,990 --> 01:18:55,449
It was just absolutely astounding
1253
01:18:55,534 --> 01:18:57,993
and then he just kept getting better and better.
1254
01:18:58,078 --> 01:18:59,120
Abdul "Duke" Fakir
ARTIST,"THE FOUR TOPS"
1255
01:19:00,580 --> 01:19:03,791
Such a God-given talent, so precious.
1256
01:19:05,252 --> 01:19:08,295
When he recorded Thriller,
Michael was very excited
1257
01:19:08,422 --> 01:19:09,463
and he said that he thought
1258
01:19:09,589 --> 01:19:12,550
this was going to sell hundreds
and hundreds of millions of copies.
1259
01:19:13,009 --> 01:19:16,429
Quincy kept telling Michael,
"You know what? Maybe five million.
1260
01:19:17,597 --> 01:19:19,640
"I mean, if we do 10 million,
it's gonna be huge,
1261
01:19:19,725 --> 01:19:21,183
"but, you know, don't get your hopes up."
1262
01:19:21,560 --> 01:19:24,228
He was never pleased with what he accomplished.
1263
01:19:24,312 --> 01:19:27,314
He always wanted to accomplish the impossible.
1264
01:19:28,150 --> 01:19:32,987
Michael felt that Quincy
should have been on his team
1265
01:19:33,572 --> 01:19:35,197
with 100 million.
1266
01:19:35,282 --> 01:19:37,366
And he told his attorney,
1267
01:19:37,617 --> 01:19:40,661
"Thriller's not coming out.
Quincy doesn't believe in it.
1268
01:19:40,954 --> 01:19:43,080
"Cancel. The thing's not coming out," right?
1269
01:19:43,999 --> 01:19:46,417
So, Michael had a conversation
with Walter Yetnikoff,
1270
01:19:46,501 --> 01:19:48,586
Who was running CBS at that time.
1271
01:19:48,670 --> 01:19:53,048
And Walter Yetnikoff told Michael,
"Look, who cares what these guys think.
1272
01:19:53,133 --> 01:19:57,011
"It's not about what their impression is
of this music,
1273
01:19:57,095 --> 01:19:59,054
"it's what you believe to be the case.
1274
01:19:59,139 --> 01:20:01,056
"And if you believe this is
going to sell 100 million copies,
1275
01:20:01,141 --> 01:20:02,183
"guess what, Michael?
1276
01:20:02,309 --> 01:20:03,517
"I'm with you.
1277
01:20:03,602 --> 01:20:07,521
"Let this thing come out.
Don't mess with this. Just let it come out."
1278
01:20:07,647 --> 01:20:08,689
And then Michael did.
1279
01:20:09,024 --> 01:20:10,483
But it could have gone either way.
1280
01:20:10,692 --> 01:20:16,530
We were averaging a million units a week,
which no other record had done.
1281
01:20:16,615 --> 01:20:17,656
Frank Dileo
JACKSON'S MANAGER 1984-89, 2009
1282
01:20:20,994 --> 01:20:26,248
Michael Jackson, that year with Thriller,
saved the record business.
1283
01:20:26,333 --> 01:20:28,459
Tower Records was going out of business,
1284
01:20:28,710 --> 01:20:34,882
CBS itself had had two black Fridays
where they laid off, like, a thousand people,
1285
01:20:34,966 --> 01:20:39,845
other companies were laying off people.
Everybody was losing their job.
1286
01:20:39,930 --> 01:20:41,889
But Thriller was so big,
1287
01:20:42,682 --> 01:20:47,520
it brought millions of people into the stores
1288
01:20:47,979 --> 01:20:51,690
and they not only bought Thriller,
they bought other product.
1289
01:20:51,900 --> 01:20:56,195
It was the music that will probably
influence contemporary artists
1290
01:20:56,279 --> 01:20:58,823
for a long, long time to come.
1291
01:20:58,907 --> 01:21:03,369
It gave us a...
1292
01:21:03,453 --> 01:21:06,997
A goal, a bull's-eye or a dream to get to,
1293
01:21:07,290 --> 01:21:08,791
something to aspire to.
1294
01:21:09,543 --> 01:21:12,795
After Michael made Off The Wall,
and then Thriller,
1295
01:21:13,296 --> 01:21:18,217
I knew then that it was like shooting a rocket
up to the moon.
1296
01:21:21,888 --> 01:21:23,264
Were you aware of the sales?
1297
01:21:23,598 --> 01:21:26,433
I pretty much did the album
and just sat back and watched.
1298
01:21:27,435 --> 01:21:28,686
He saw where he wanted to go
1299
01:21:28,770 --> 01:21:29,812
Freda Payne
SINGER
1300
01:21:29,938 --> 01:21:31,063
and he went there.
1301
01:21:31,398 --> 01:21:32,481
And nobody could stop him.
1302
01:21:36,778 --> 01:21:38,737
He went to a level
1303
01:21:38,989 --> 01:21:41,031
that only the very great have obtained.
1304
01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:47,288
He wanted to be the best and he was the best.
1305
01:21:52,002 --> 01:21:54,628
God took that little man and he says,
1306
01:21:55,005 --> 01:21:57,381
"Okay now, you take over the music world."
1307
01:21:57,465 --> 01:21:58,507
Bobby Taylor
ARTIST, GORDY & MOTOWN RECORDS
1308
01:21:58,675 --> 01:21:59,967
"It now belongs to you."
1309
01:22:02,637 --> 01:22:04,763
What made him so special
1310
01:22:05,181 --> 01:22:06,891
is that he was held back
1311
01:22:07,475 --> 01:22:08,767
for so long
1312
01:22:08,852 --> 01:22:11,812
that when he was finally released,
all of it came out.
1313
01:22:13,231 --> 01:22:15,316
He just lit the stage on fire.
1314
01:22:15,734 --> 01:22:18,944
He stole the show from everybody,
including the Jackson 5.
1315
01:22:19,029 --> 01:22:20,070
Tito Jackson
MICHAEL'S BROTHER
1316
01:22:21,573 --> 01:22:23,282
Michael was into his fans.
1317
01:22:23,909 --> 01:22:26,660
To make all these people that happy,
it charged him up, it really did.
1318
01:22:26,745 --> 01:22:27,953
Ronnie Rancifer
KEYBOARDIST,"JACKSON 5" 1967-77
1319
01:22:30,498 --> 01:22:34,126
My fondest memory is the Motown 25.
1320
01:22:34,210 --> 01:22:36,337
Yeah.
We were on that show,
1321
01:22:36,421 --> 01:22:37,463
- and he premiered the moonwalk. Wow.
- That was something.
1322
01:22:37,547 --> 01:22:38,589
Valerie Simpson & Nickolas Ashford,
1323
01:22:38,673 --> 01:22:39,715
SINGERS & SONGWRITERS,
"ASHFORD & SIMPSON"
1324
01:22:43,595 --> 01:22:44,637
Michael called me
1325
01:22:45,138 --> 01:22:48,015
when he got home from doing Motown 25,
1326
01:22:48,099 --> 01:22:49,558
and said, "I've just given
the greatest performance of my life."
1327
01:22:49,643 --> 01:22:50,684
David Gest
MICHAEL'S CLOSE FRIEND
1328
01:22:55,231 --> 01:22:57,858
How excited we all were for him,
1329
01:22:58,234 --> 01:23:01,070
it was like, "I guess I've arrived," you know?
1330
01:23:01,154 --> 01:23:03,614
Dionne Warwick
SINGER
1331
01:23:03,740 --> 01:23:06,575
With an armful of Grammys.
It was wonderful.
1332
01:23:07,494 --> 01:23:10,621
In 1984 Michael won an unprecedented
8 Grammys for"Thriller'.
1333
01:23:14,668 --> 01:23:18,128
"Thriller" became the best selling album
of all time with sales exceeding 110 million.
1334
01:23:19,631 --> 01:23:20,673
Michael!
1335
01:23:22,133 --> 01:23:25,469
During the eighties Michael had more
number 1 hits than any other artist.
1336
01:23:30,850 --> 01:23:32,476
Michael Jackson is
1337
01:23:32,686 --> 01:23:36,021
one of the greatest artists of all time,
1338
01:23:36,106 --> 01:23:40,651
who transcended being labeled
black, white, red, yellow,
1339
01:23:40,735 --> 01:23:45,072
it didn't matter,
he appealed to everybody, everywhere.
1340
01:23:45,448 --> 01:23:51,036
I think he came here ready
"cause he always wanted to be a superstar.
1341
01:23:51,121 --> 01:23:55,916
He was wearing little rings on his fingers
when he was a little man, you know.
1342
01:23:56,543 --> 01:23:58,335
He was very conscious
1343
01:23:58,753 --> 01:24:00,921
of the iconoclastic nature of "Michael Jackson,"
1344
01:24:01,006 --> 01:24:02,047
J. Randy Taraborrelli
JACKSON FRIEND AND BIOGRAPHER
1345
01:24:03,341 --> 01:24:05,634
and what it would mean historically.
1346
01:24:05,969 --> 01:24:07,928
Michael's image was very important to him
1347
01:24:08,054 --> 01:24:10,431
because Fred Astaire
and the people that he studied,
1348
01:24:10,849 --> 01:24:13,058
Jackie Wilson, James Brown...
1349
01:24:13,226 --> 01:24:17,271
How are they being revered? Why are they
so terrific and what did they do?
1350
01:24:17,355 --> 01:24:18,397
And he was a great student.
1351
01:24:18,481 --> 01:24:19,940
Ron Alexenburg
SNR. VICE PRESIDENT CBS & EPIC RECORDS
1352
01:24:20,025 --> 01:24:21,358
It just didn't come upon him,
1353
01:24:21,443 --> 01:24:23,819
he studied his craft, he worked at it.
1354
01:24:24,195 --> 01:24:25,988
He was directing his career,
1355
01:24:26,489 --> 01:24:29,366
he was so street smart
1356
01:24:29,451 --> 01:24:35,664
and he knew how to make a campaign work,
and more importantly, how to make it last.
1357
01:24:35,999 --> 01:24:39,835
He believed that the biggest stars
left the biggest impression
1358
01:24:39,919 --> 01:24:42,629
and it was bigger than just their art, you know.
1359
01:24:42,714 --> 01:24:45,299
What you thought of instantly
1360
01:24:45,842 --> 01:24:47,676
when you thought of these celebrities
1361
01:24:47,761 --> 01:24:50,512
and with Michael,
what you began to think of instantly
1362
01:24:50,597 --> 01:24:53,140
was the fedora hat, it was the one glove.
1363
01:24:53,725 --> 01:24:57,352
On the show that we did together
at Madison Square Garden,
1364
01:24:57,437 --> 01:24:59,313
he came out with a suitcase
1365
01:24:59,773 --> 01:25:03,817
and inside was the glove, and he had the hat,
1366
01:25:04,986 --> 01:25:09,073
and he had everything he needed to show them,
1367
01:25:09,157 --> 01:25:12,451
"Nobody does it better than I
and these are my trademarks."
1368
01:25:12,911 --> 01:25:16,538
The total package
of Michael Jackson became very important,
1369
01:25:16,623 --> 01:25:19,374
especially with the advent of video culture,
1370
01:25:19,542 --> 01:25:21,835
which happened at the exact same time
1371
01:25:21,920 --> 01:25:24,630
that Billie Jean and Beat It
were becoming hit records.
1372
01:25:26,299 --> 01:25:31,053
"Billie Jean" was the 1st video by a black
artist to receive heavy rotation on MTV.
1373
01:25:34,265 --> 01:25:37,893
Michael never officially left The Jacksons.
"Victory" (1984) was their last album together.
1374
01:25:43,441 --> 01:25:48,362
It was an immense pressure
to be in the public eye
1375
01:25:48,446 --> 01:25:51,448
and he kept wanting to look better and better.
1376
01:25:51,866 --> 01:25:54,243
He was very, very self-conscious.
1377
01:25:54,369 --> 01:25:57,329
Michael felt under pressure
1378
01:25:57,455 --> 01:26:00,290
where his image was concerned
1379
01:26:00,792 --> 01:26:02,000
because of who he is.
1380
01:26:02,085 --> 01:26:05,879
He was a black guy, he was an inner-city guy.
1381
01:26:05,964 --> 01:26:08,507
How could he be the darling of white society?
1382
01:26:09,217 --> 01:26:10,467
He had to change.
1383
01:26:12,303 --> 01:26:18,475
I think all that was what led
to the first plastic surgery, in 1978.
1384
01:26:18,685 --> 01:26:20,853
I went to interview Michael
at his home in Encino
1385
01:26:20,937 --> 01:26:23,564
and he showed up at the door
with bandages on his face
1386
01:26:23,648 --> 01:26:25,315
and his eyes were black and blue,
1387
01:26:25,400 --> 01:26:27,693
and I thought that he had been
in some kind of a fight.
1388
01:26:29,028 --> 01:26:32,865
He explained to me that he had fallen on stage
1389
01:26:33,408 --> 01:26:34,992
and broke his nose.
1390
01:26:35,076 --> 01:26:37,786
This was why he had that first surgery.
1391
01:26:39,998 --> 01:26:43,000
His next major one was in 1981
1392
01:26:43,084 --> 01:26:45,919
and he stayed with me for four weeks.
I took care of him.
1393
01:26:46,462 --> 01:26:50,299
I always felt that he looked so good
after that second one,
1394
01:26:50,383 --> 01:26:51,717
he never needed to do more.
1395
01:26:52,343 --> 01:26:53,552
And then after that,
1396
01:26:53,636 --> 01:26:55,721
there were all kinds of other things
that were going on
1397
01:26:55,805 --> 01:26:58,265
that it was really hard to determine,
1398
01:26:58,933 --> 01:27:01,185
you know, what he was doing
and when he was doing it.
1399
01:27:09,194 --> 01:27:11,612
I think he should have stopped
before he did, yes.
1400
01:27:11,696 --> 01:27:15,282
Being vulnerable and listening to others,
he just kept going.
1401
01:27:15,366 --> 01:27:16,408
Rebbie Jackson
MICHAEL'S SISTER
1402
01:27:16,868 --> 01:27:20,621
Steve Hoefflin, I believe,
and ll said to Michael,
1403
01:27:20,705 --> 01:27:27,461
did too many operations
and made Michael not secure, but insecure.
1404
01:27:27,795 --> 01:27:31,506
One of the ways Steve stayed close to Michael
1405
01:27:31,591 --> 01:27:35,052
was constantly telling him what he needed.
1406
01:27:35,136 --> 01:27:39,556
Steve would probably disagree with that,
but I felt
1407
01:27:39,682 --> 01:27:41,725
you just went a bit too far.
1408
01:27:44,395 --> 01:27:46,313
The disease that Michael had, vitiligo,
1409
01:27:46,397 --> 01:27:47,439
Katherine Jackson
MICHAEL'S MOTHER
1410
01:27:47,607 --> 01:27:49,816
Michael suffered from it and he...
1411
01:27:50,944 --> 01:27:54,363
He didn't wanna be spotted up and he...
1412
01:27:54,614 --> 01:27:59,451
He went to a skin doctor
and had him to get his whole face one colour
1413
01:27:59,744 --> 01:28:04,081
but below, his legs and things
were still spotted up
1414
01:28:04,165 --> 01:28:05,249
but he didn't show that part of his body,
1415
01:28:05,333 --> 01:28:06,416
Vitiligo Sufferer
1416
01:28:06,501 --> 01:28:11,755
only parts of his body like his hands
and his face and his neck and chest.
1417
01:28:11,839 --> 01:28:16,218
That's the part that he had bleached out
so it wouldn't look so bad.
1418
01:28:19,514 --> 01:28:22,224
Some people have their own ideas
of what they think it is,
1419
01:28:22,350 --> 01:28:25,102
but I know what it is.
1420
01:28:28,189 --> 01:28:30,440
It always felt unfair to me
1421
01:28:30,525 --> 01:28:32,859
and I think that Michael
always felt victimised by it.
1422
01:28:32,944 --> 01:28:34,486
I loved it when Michael said,
1423
01:28:34,570 --> 01:28:37,030
"Plastic surgery
was not invented for Michael Jackson.
1424
01:28:38,283 --> 01:28:40,534
"People have been having
plastic surgery for years.
1425
01:28:40,618 --> 01:28:42,035
"I'm not the first one to do it.
1426
01:28:42,120 --> 01:28:44,830
"Why am I always the one being picked
on about it?"
1427
01:28:44,914 --> 01:28:46,873
And I thought that was a really good point.
1428
01:28:49,544 --> 01:28:53,880
We were doing a Pepsi commercial,
the year was 1984.
1429
01:28:54,966 --> 01:28:56,967
And we were just getting ready
to go out on the Victory Tour.
1430
01:29:01,806 --> 01:29:05,392
I went to the set the day they were shooting it
1431
01:29:05,476 --> 01:29:09,396
and they had a lot of performances
that were great.
1432
01:29:09,564 --> 01:29:12,899
So it was the end of the day,
they called for a wrap,
1433
01:29:12,984 --> 01:29:17,946
I said goodbye to him.
And I was walking out the door
1434
01:29:18,072 --> 01:29:23,493
when I heard the producer say,
"We have to do one more take."
1435
01:29:26,289 --> 01:29:29,499
There was some pyro,
and Michael was coming down the steps
1436
01:29:29,584 --> 01:29:32,419
and I think somebody missed their cue.
1437
01:29:36,674 --> 01:29:40,469
One of the flames came
and landed on Michael's head,
1438
01:29:40,595 --> 01:29:43,972
which he had hairspray, something like that,
and it just...
1439
01:30:02,950 --> 01:30:07,412
After the accident, Michael had
to go through a horrific experience
1440
01:30:07,497 --> 01:30:09,289
to repair his scalp.
1441
01:30:09,457 --> 01:30:13,335
It was a form of tissue expansion
known as ballooning.
1442
01:30:15,713 --> 01:30:18,090
This procedure is often used on the scalp
1443
01:30:18,174 --> 01:30:20,550
Dr. Michael May FRCS - HAIR TRANSPLANT
SPECIALIST, THE WIMPOLE CLINIC
1444
01:30:20,635 --> 01:30:25,806
to treat burns, scarring.
1445
01:30:27,308 --> 01:30:29,309
This is done by the surgeon
1446
01:30:29,394 --> 01:30:34,940
inserting a plastic balloon underneath the skin
1447
01:30:35,024 --> 01:30:40,153
and, over a period of time,
increasing the volume of the balloon,
1448
01:30:40,988 --> 01:30:44,241
and therefore, stretching the skin above.
1449
01:30:47,036 --> 01:30:48,703
The surgeons,
1450
01:30:48,871 --> 01:30:50,622
almost like drawing a curtain,
1451
01:30:50,706 --> 01:30:55,168
bring the normal tissue over that area of scalp
1452
01:30:55,837 --> 01:30:58,839
and fill in the scarred area.
1453
01:31:02,343 --> 01:31:04,803
I actually spoke to Dr Steven Hoefflin,
1454
01:31:04,887 --> 01:31:09,558
who did the first ballooning procedure
on Michael after the Pepsi incident.
1455
01:31:09,684 --> 01:31:11,393
And he explained to me
1456
01:31:11,519 --> 01:31:16,106
Michael continued to do the ballooning procedure
1457
01:31:16,190 --> 01:31:19,025
with different doctors, throughout his career.
1458
01:31:19,861 --> 01:31:22,154
It was quite painful, you can imagine.
1459
01:31:22,238 --> 01:31:28,285
If a large balloon of saline
is placed beneath the skin,
1460
01:31:28,369 --> 01:31:32,414
is blown up to perhaps 1000 cc of fluid,
1461
01:31:32,540 --> 01:31:35,876
it causes quite a large amount of discomfort.
1462
01:31:38,045 --> 01:31:39,880
I think after he got burnt,
1463
01:31:39,964 --> 01:31:43,175
that was the first time
he was exposed to strong pain medicine,
1464
01:31:43,259 --> 01:31:46,303
because he did have a lot of pain in that spot
for a long time.
1465
01:31:46,637 --> 01:31:51,183
People don't realise
that his dependency on pills
1466
01:31:51,267 --> 01:31:54,895
was due to that one accident
that changed his life forever.
1467
01:32:02,570 --> 01:32:05,780
I used to give
a lot of private parties for Michael
1468
01:32:06,407 --> 01:32:08,074
because he'd wanna meet somebody.
1469
01:32:08,659 --> 01:32:10,744
My neighbour, when I was living in New York,
1470
01:32:10,995 --> 01:32:13,246
was Liam Neeson,
1471
01:32:13,581 --> 01:32:16,416
and he loved Liam Neeson's work
in Schindler's List.
1472
01:32:16,834 --> 01:32:20,420
And I invited Liam over
1473
01:32:21,422 --> 01:32:23,089
and some friends of mine.
1474
01:32:23,466 --> 01:32:25,675
You gave him a party, and I remember
1475
01:32:26,093 --> 01:32:27,427
Michael McDonald sang, Gloria Gaynor sang.
1476
01:32:27,595 --> 01:32:28,595
Lamont Dozier
SONGWRITER, HOLLAND-DOZIER-HOLLAND
1477
01:32:29,430 --> 01:32:32,891
You and Michael were clowning,
he had three bottles of wine, I think,
1478
01:32:32,975 --> 01:32:36,770
and he was having a food fight.
1479
01:32:36,938 --> 01:32:39,356
In the middle of Gloria Gaynor singing,
1480
01:32:40,024 --> 01:32:43,109
Michael threw some jellybeans at me,
1481
01:32:43,361 --> 01:32:45,278
and then he started throwing them in the piano.
1482
01:32:45,947 --> 01:32:49,282
And I remember Gloria Gaynor
looking up, like, "What's going on?"
1483
01:32:49,367 --> 01:32:52,452
I said, "He's just a kid at heart."
1484
01:32:54,455 --> 01:32:56,122
We ended up sitting at a table together.
1485
01:32:56,290 --> 01:32:59,167
I got up and I went to talk
to some other people away from the table.
1486
01:32:59,293 --> 01:33:00,293
Peabo Bryson
SINGER
1487
01:33:00,378 --> 01:33:03,463
When I got back, Michael was in my seat,
1488
01:33:03,798 --> 01:33:06,132
in my date's ear, in her face.
1489
01:33:06,634 --> 01:33:09,511
I tried to wait a while,
maybe he was gonna go away soon.
1490
01:33:10,513 --> 01:33:13,890
No, he was so engrossed
in the conversation with my date,
1491
01:33:14,308 --> 01:33:15,976
he didn't even notice me coming back.
1492
01:33:16,727 --> 01:33:20,522
"Michael, get your own."
1493
01:33:23,150 --> 01:33:26,027
The first time Michael ever drank in his life
1494
01:33:26,362 --> 01:33:30,574
was at a dinner that I had with Burt Bacharach
1495
01:33:30,825 --> 01:33:35,161
and he drank about a bottle and a half
of a vintage wine
1496
01:33:35,496 --> 01:33:36,913
and he loved the taste.
1497
01:33:37,206 --> 01:33:41,543
And I remember we went back to my flat,
and when we got out of the car,
1498
01:33:42,336 --> 01:33:45,171
he threw up in the parking lot.
1499
01:33:45,881 --> 01:33:48,508
He threw up in my house, everywhere.
1500
01:33:48,593 --> 01:33:51,511
And I was picking up all this mess, and he said,
1501
01:33:51,679 --> 01:33:56,766
"You know, if I told Joseph,
you would be in real hot water.
1502
01:33:56,892 --> 01:34:00,854
"He would be really mad at you."
I said, "Don't tell him."
1503
01:34:04,525 --> 01:34:06,276
Not only did we have fun,
1504
01:34:06,360 --> 01:34:10,447
I got to set up a number of collaborations
with Michael and other artists.
1505
01:34:12,533 --> 01:34:16,911
Where I actually met him
was at a big do for him,
1506
01:34:17,038 --> 01:34:18,038
Petula Clark
SINGER & ACTRESS
1507
01:34:18,122 --> 01:34:19,831
and he had asked for me to come along and sing.
1508
01:34:19,915 --> 01:34:22,250
I sang Downtown, of course, inevitably.
1509
01:34:23,294 --> 01:34:26,212
But it seems that he was a great fan.
1510
01:34:26,422 --> 01:34:30,884
Bless his heart,
he financed a recording session for me.
1511
01:34:31,469 --> 01:34:34,387
He was a very giving person, Michael.
1512
01:34:35,222 --> 01:34:39,601
And very funny
and of course deeply, deeply talented.
1513
01:34:46,651 --> 01:34:50,654
David called me on one given day
and said that, "I think there's a possibility
1514
01:34:50,738 --> 01:34:52,489
"that you and Michael should sit down
and write together."
1515
01:34:52,573 --> 01:34:53,615
Paul Anka
SINGER & SONGWRITER
1516
01:35:01,999 --> 01:35:06,461
Michael and Paul were in the Jacuzzi
and came up with This Is It.
1517
01:35:07,254 --> 01:35:11,132
Not many people know that I was responsible
for putting them together.
1518
01:35:11,592 --> 01:35:13,510
Unfortunately it evolved,
and I don't know if you remember,
1519
01:35:13,594 --> 01:35:16,346
but Michael took the tapes out of the studio
in Los Angeles,
1520
01:35:16,430 --> 01:35:18,348
because he didn't want to finish the project.
1521
01:35:18,933 --> 01:35:23,645
He kept them, illegally.
We had the same lawyer, unfortunately.
1522
01:35:24,689 --> 01:35:28,316
I fired the lawyer because he couldn't
find the contract, all of a sudden.
1523
01:35:28,776 --> 01:35:33,113
So, what really happened was, after Michael,
under pressure, returned the tapes,
1524
01:35:33,781 --> 01:35:35,323
he obviously copied them.
1525
01:35:36,117 --> 01:35:39,035
Thus, years later, they went into his home,
1526
01:35:39,120 --> 01:35:43,289
and they found a copy,
on a cassette or whatever,
1527
01:35:43,374 --> 01:35:46,042
of my multi-tracks, from my studio,
1528
01:35:47,169 --> 01:35:49,879
which they thought was new,
they thought it was a new song.
1529
01:35:50,381 --> 01:35:55,635
What threw them off was when they heard
"This is it" as the first line,
1530
01:35:55,970 --> 01:35:58,471
it correlated with the tour
that he was gonna do.
1531
01:36:06,147 --> 01:36:10,984
After gathering all of the evidence, I realised
that there was an honest mistake made
1532
01:36:11,068 --> 01:36:13,153
and I don't wanna cause any problems.
1533
01:36:13,738 --> 01:36:16,322
So we sat down very quickly, within a few hours,
1534
01:36:16,407 --> 01:36:19,659
and we hammered out a deal,
which I think is fair to all of us.
1535
01:36:19,869 --> 01:36:21,828
And that's the story about This Is It.
1536
01:36:25,875 --> 01:36:29,669
In 19900, I was producing
the American Cinema Awards,
1537
01:36:29,837 --> 01:36:32,922
which honoured legendary stars of the cinema,
1538
01:36:33,007 --> 01:36:35,425
as well as great musical entertainers.
1539
01:36:35,843 --> 01:36:38,845
And over the years,
we'd honoured many great legends.
1540
01:36:39,722 --> 01:36:42,849
There was nobody more qualified to win the award
1541
01:36:43,392 --> 01:36:47,562
for musical Entertainer of the Decade
than Michael Jackson.
1542
01:36:47,897 --> 01:36:51,691
Ladies and gentlemen,
I would like to express my gratitude
1543
01:36:52,234 --> 01:36:55,111
to those responsible
for the American Cinema Awards.
1544
01:36:56,447 --> 01:37:00,533
I thank David Gest. You're just fantastic.
Thank you so much.
1545
01:37:03,704 --> 01:37:09,709
And finally, I thank little Christina and Michael.
I love you all, goodbye.
1546
01:37:21,722 --> 01:37:26,518
In 1993, Michael Jackson
was accused of molestation
1547
01:37:26,602 --> 01:37:28,895
by this kid, whose name was Jordy Chandler,
1548
01:37:29,271 --> 01:37:31,898
and by Jordy's father,
whose name was Evan Chandler.
1549
01:37:34,485 --> 01:37:37,612
These people were people
that Michael allowed into his life,
1550
01:37:38,072 --> 01:37:39,239
and he befriended them.
1551
01:37:39,782 --> 01:37:46,246
And the next thing we knew, this kid
was claiming that Michael had molested him.
1552
01:37:46,622 --> 01:37:51,084
Back in 1993, this was unbelievable
to all of us who knew Michael Jackson.
1553
01:37:51,168 --> 01:37:56,214
Because we just really didn't
think of Michael in any kind of sexual way.
1554
01:37:56,298 --> 01:37:59,259
He was sort of asexual in our minds
at that time.
1555
01:37:59,426 --> 01:38:01,386
If you know Michael, you know his heart.
1556
01:38:01,470 --> 01:38:02,512
Billy Davis, Jr.
SINGER, "5th DIMENSION"
1557
01:38:02,596 --> 01:38:09,018
Michael was probably one of the most gentle
people that one would ever want to meet.
1558
01:38:09,103 --> 01:38:12,272
Michael always told me he loved children
because they were innocent.
1559
01:38:12,773 --> 01:38:14,607
They never wanted anything from him.
1560
01:38:14,817 --> 01:38:18,152
Michael was always so protective of children.
1561
01:38:18,279 --> 01:38:19,279
Marilyn McCoo
SINGER, "5th DIMENSION"
1562
01:38:19,363 --> 01:38:22,448
The side that I saw of him,
he was such a family-oriented person.
1563
01:38:22,533 --> 01:38:24,450
All of us, growing up, you may know about,
1564
01:38:24,535 --> 01:38:28,288
I mean, we always had a baby
in our arms, on our laps,
1565
01:38:28,622 --> 01:38:30,373
and we always gravitate to kids.
1566
01:38:30,541 --> 01:38:35,545
I mean, it's just an innocent thing
and that's as far as it would ever go.
1567
01:38:35,796 --> 01:38:37,463
I was sick to my stomach,
1568
01:38:37,548 --> 01:38:40,008
because I knew that Michael
wouldn't do a thing like that.
1569
01:38:40,467 --> 01:38:43,011
And I was wondering,
why are they lying on him like that?
1570
01:38:43,554 --> 01:38:46,472
And I can imagine how Michael must've felt.
1571
01:38:46,974 --> 01:38:48,975
Michael called me and said,
1572
01:38:49,143 --> 01:38:52,896
"You do something nice
and people try to fuck you."
1573
01:38:53,188 --> 01:38:54,856
And that's what he said to me.
1574
01:38:55,399 --> 01:38:57,984
And he was just so hurt.
1575
01:38:58,527 --> 01:39:00,320
And I rarely heard him cuss.
1576
01:39:00,487 --> 01:39:01,654
Michael was on tour
1577
01:39:01,739 --> 01:39:06,242
and they took great care to wait
until he go on tour to put this stuff out.
1578
01:39:06,493 --> 01:39:09,913
It did appear to me,
and to everybody in the circle,
1579
01:39:10,039 --> 01:39:11,205
and also to Michael,
1580
01:39:11,749 --> 01:39:16,419
that the district attorney, Tom Sneddon,
was really after Michael Jackson.
1581
01:39:17,838 --> 01:39:19,505
And he said,
"Why would people believe this?"
1582
01:39:19,590 --> 01:39:23,092
And I said, "You know, I'm having a hard time
understanding it, too, Michael,
1583
01:39:23,177 --> 01:39:28,222
"but what I think is that for so many years,
people have wondered about your sexuality
1584
01:39:28,349 --> 01:39:31,809
"and they've wondered,
"Is this guy gay, is this guy straight?"
1585
01:39:31,894 --> 01:39:33,519
"No one really could understand it.
1586
01:39:34,021 --> 01:39:36,856
"And now that this has happened,
people feel that they have the answer,
1587
01:39:37,024 --> 01:39:39,192
"and it's something
that they've decided to latch on to."
1588
01:39:39,693 --> 01:39:41,569
And he said, "Yes, but it's not true."
1589
01:39:41,862 --> 01:39:45,031
And I said, "Yeah, I know that,
but this is what's going on.
1590
01:39:45,115 --> 01:39:47,617
"You know, this is what you are up against."
1591
01:39:47,701 --> 01:39:52,872
And he was devastated by the '93 allegations,
there's no doubt about it.
1592
01:39:53,374 --> 01:39:54,457
Freda Payne
SINGER
1593
01:39:54,541 --> 01:39:57,251
I felt that somebody was trying
to get something out of this
1594
01:39:57,378 --> 01:40:01,881
or they were manipulating a situation.
1595
01:40:02,049 --> 01:40:03,132
Michael was a target.
1596
01:40:03,425 --> 01:40:07,136
Michael had made a lot of money,
and unfortunately, in our world,
1597
01:40:07,221 --> 01:40:10,056
we have people out there
who would like to get some of your money.
1598
01:40:10,307 --> 01:40:13,935
And they will do almost anything to get it.
1599
01:40:14,144 --> 01:40:17,438
Michael is my brother. I love him a great deal.
1600
01:40:17,564 --> 01:40:18,564
La Toya Jackson
Press conference, Israel 1993
1601
01:40:18,649 --> 01:40:23,987
But ll cannot, and ll will not
be a silent collaborator of his crimes
1602
01:40:24,321 --> 01:40:26,114
against small, innocent children.
1603
01:40:26,240 --> 01:40:28,992
It was hard for me to believe
that she believed that this was true.
1604
01:40:29,493 --> 01:40:33,621
Just because, if you knew La Toya
and you knew Michael, they were so close
1605
01:40:34,915 --> 01:40:40,086
that it just seemed unfathomable that
La Toya would speak out against her brother.
1606
01:40:40,379 --> 01:40:44,465
I have seen cheques payable
to the parents of these children,
1607
01:40:45,718 --> 01:40:49,303
and I don't know
if these children were apparently bought,
1608
01:40:50,222 --> 01:40:53,725
the parents, by Michael, or not,
but I have seen these cheques.
1609
01:40:54,268 --> 01:40:55,977
And I've seen these cheques through my mother.
1610
01:40:56,103 --> 01:40:59,731
Jack Gordon was the guy's name
who basically put her out there
1611
01:40:59,815 --> 01:41:03,109
to do things that was well out of her character.
1612
01:41:03,986 --> 01:41:07,113
I can't really say on television
the words for Jack Gordon.
1613
01:41:07,948 --> 01:41:13,494
But he was a man who had no morals
and very little class.
1614
01:41:14,580 --> 01:41:17,498
You can come in contact
with the wrong people without knowing it
1615
01:41:17,624 --> 01:41:21,669
or people that surround you,
they can have a strong influence on you.
1616
01:41:26,759 --> 01:41:29,135
And these kids are gonna be scarred
for the rest of their lives,
1617
01:41:29,261 --> 01:41:33,639
and I don't wanna see any more innocent,
small children being affected this way.
1618
01:41:33,807 --> 01:41:37,477
I love Michael very dearly
but I feel even more sorry for these children
1619
01:41:37,603 --> 01:41:40,104
because they don't have a life any more.
They don't.
1620
01:41:40,189 --> 01:41:42,148
I had spoken to him on the phone
1621
01:41:43,650 --> 01:41:46,819
the day after she had said all those things.
1622
01:41:47,362 --> 01:41:51,657
And I have never heard him
1623
01:41:52,659 --> 01:41:56,788
feel so much hate for a person
than he did for La Toya.
1624
01:41:57,456 --> 01:42:00,875
I just know that it was something
that was very ugly and disheartening,
1625
01:42:01,335 --> 01:42:03,127
and the family didn't like it at all.
1626
01:42:03,337 --> 01:42:05,838
There's certain things
you're not gonna get me to do
1627
01:42:06,048 --> 01:42:08,049
for no price, whatsoever,
1628
01:42:09,301 --> 01:42:11,844
when it comes to people I love and care for.
1629
01:42:12,179 --> 01:42:14,472
He was hurt. He was really hurt.
1630
01:42:14,681 --> 01:42:19,602
La Toya Jackson and her husband,
boyfriend, I guess, at that time, Jack Gordon,
1631
01:42:19,686 --> 01:42:23,648
and I went to Spain to do a TV show together.
1632
01:42:24,024 --> 01:42:29,237
And it was a crazy TV show, where she
was going to be rigged to a lie detector
1633
01:42:29,363 --> 01:42:31,197
and then I was going to ask her questions.
1634
01:42:31,323 --> 01:42:34,492
I can't imagine why she wanted to do this
because I totally thought she was lying.
1635
01:42:35,494 --> 01:42:38,788
When Michael gave his speech from Neverland,
1636
01:42:38,872 --> 01:42:42,834
we watched it in the green room backstage
at this TV show.
1637
01:42:43,001 --> 01:42:45,503
I ask all of you to wait and hear the truth.
1638
01:42:45,587 --> 01:42:48,172
And I remember seeing it with La Toya
thinking, "This is your brother
1639
01:42:48,257 --> 01:42:49,841
"and you're getting ready to go on television
1640
01:42:49,925 --> 01:42:51,300
"and I'm gonna ask you these questions
1641
01:42:51,385 --> 01:42:53,886
"and the lie detector's
gonna be swinging like crazy."
1642
01:42:54,054 --> 01:42:56,347
And suddenly, La Toya's price for that interview
1643
01:42:56,515 --> 01:42:59,892
had gone up to, like, $10000,000000 from $100,000000.
1644
01:43:00,394 --> 01:43:03,646
Jack said, "You know,
this is now the biggest story in the world,
1645
01:43:03,730 --> 01:43:06,524
"and La Toya is going
to be paid appropriately."
1646
01:43:07,067 --> 01:43:09,402
And the show would not pay her that money,
1647
01:43:09,695 --> 01:43:12,405
and so, I ended up
getting a free trip to Madrid.
1648
01:43:12,573 --> 01:43:14,657
They served a search warrant on me,
1649
01:43:14,741 --> 01:43:18,744
which allowed them to view and photograph
my body, including my penis,
1650
01:43:19,288 --> 01:43:25,251
my buttocks, my lower torso, thighs
and any other area that they wanted.
1651
01:43:26,128 --> 01:43:27,712
Michael did talk to me about the strip search.
1652
01:43:28,130 --> 01:43:32,383
Basically, he said it was the most
humiliating experience of his life.
1653
01:43:33,093 --> 01:43:35,469
He couldn't believe that it could happen.
1654
01:43:35,888 --> 01:43:42,018
He couldn't imagine
that the law provided for such a thing.
1655
01:43:42,102 --> 01:43:46,814
Who would stoop as low as trying
to take pictures of a person's genitals,
1656
01:43:47,941 --> 01:43:50,735
and just trying to humiliate him like that?
1657
01:43:51,945 --> 01:43:52,987
That was terrible.
1658
01:43:53,947 --> 01:43:59,285
If that can happen, anything can happen.
This man could end up going to jail.
1659
01:43:59,786 --> 01:44:06,626
Because this guy, Tom Sneddon,
he is definitely after Michael Jackson.
1660
01:44:08,170 --> 01:44:11,797
And he's got power.
He's got the law behind him.
1661
01:44:12,090 --> 01:44:13,257
It was a real wake-up call.
1662
01:44:13,467 --> 01:44:18,471
I remember Michael calling me at 2:00 a.m.
in the morning
1663
01:44:19,514 --> 01:44:21,682
and we spoke till 5:00 a.m.
1664
01:44:22,351 --> 01:44:25,937
And he told me
he would never, ever settle that case.
1665
01:44:26,146 --> 01:44:28,856
He would never give the guy a dime.
I said, "You're right.
1666
01:44:29,441 --> 01:44:34,362
"If you pay him off,
people are gonna think you are guilty."
1667
01:44:34,488 --> 01:44:35,988
He said he would never do that.
1668
01:44:36,156 --> 01:44:39,825
Michael was getting some really horrible
advice at the time from lawyers,
1669
01:44:39,952 --> 01:44:40,952
Tito Jackson
MICHAEL'S BROTHER
1670
01:44:41,036 --> 01:44:43,496
saying, "Let's just get rid of it, you know.
1671
01:44:43,997 --> 01:44:46,874
"Settle it out and people will forget it
and it'll go away."
1672
01:44:47,668 --> 01:44:51,879
The time has come for Michael Jackson
to move on to new business,
1673
01:44:52,381 --> 01:44:54,340
to get on with his life,
1674
01:44:54,967 --> 01:44:57,176
to start the healing process
1675
01:44:57,552 --> 01:45:01,055
and to move his career forward
to even greater heights.
1676
01:45:01,348 --> 01:45:04,558
When they settled the case by paying off,
1677
01:45:05,394 --> 01:45:08,479
right away the next day, I called Michael,
"Why did you do that?"
1678
01:45:09,189 --> 01:45:12,858
And Michael said, "Mother, I didn't do that.
I wanted to fight it till the end.
1679
01:45:13,360 --> 01:45:17,363
"But they told me,
the lawyers and things told me,
1680
01:45:17,489 --> 01:45:21,242
"Just go on and pay it off and settle it.'"
1681
01:45:22,035 --> 01:45:24,662
He just heard a lot of people making a lot
of promises
1682
01:45:24,746 --> 01:45:25,788
Frank Dileo
JACKSON MANAGER 1984-89, 2009
1683
01:45:25,872 --> 01:45:27,832
and telling him, "It's no big deal."
1684
01:45:28,041 --> 01:45:31,168
Like, "Pay them the money,
it's like a quarter to you."
1685
01:45:31,253 --> 01:45:33,671
The reason they did it
was because Michael was out on tour,
1686
01:45:33,755 --> 01:45:36,716
they had accused him of this terrible thing,
1687
01:45:37,092 --> 01:45:41,220
and they didn't want to stop the tour,
so they just paid it off.
1688
01:45:42,055 --> 01:45:47,351
It was too late. He got some of the worst
advice, probably, in the music business.
1689
01:45:48,228 --> 01:45:50,521
I interviewed Michael
right after he made the settlement,
1690
01:45:50,605 --> 01:45:52,690
and I asked him, "Why did you do it?
1691
01:45:53,400 --> 01:45:57,028
"Don't you realise that from this moment on,
people are going to believe you were guilty?"
1692
01:45:57,237 --> 01:45:58,571
And Michael said he didn't care.
1693
01:45:59,072 --> 01:46:02,033
He said, "It's my life, it's my career,
it's my choice."
1694
01:46:03,243 --> 01:46:06,579
I discussed it with him many years later
and he did regret the settlement.
1695
01:46:08,248 --> 01:46:11,584
It was one thing in the moment,
you know, when you're in pain
1696
01:46:11,710 --> 01:46:14,754
and you're making a decision
based on the pain of the moment,
1697
01:46:15,088 --> 01:46:18,924
it's another thing when years go by
and you look back on it and you think,
1698
01:46:20,010 --> 01:46:21,052
"Why did I do that?"
1699
01:46:21,261 --> 01:46:25,014
And it wasn't about the $17 million,
that meant nothing to him.
1700
01:46:25,265 --> 01:46:30,436
It was paid out in an installment plan,
like he was buying a refrigerator.
1701
01:46:30,854 --> 01:46:32,438
It really meant nothing to him.
1702
01:46:32,522 --> 01:46:36,484
It was just the fact that people believed
he settled because he was guilty
1703
01:46:36,860 --> 01:46:38,110
that really pissed him off.
1704
01:46:44,076 --> 01:46:46,577
A lot of people are very confused on this.
1705
01:46:46,787 --> 01:46:50,956
But I can sit here under oath
or any other way you want it,
1706
01:46:51,208 --> 01:46:53,709
and I'm a staunch Catholic,
I'll swear on the Bible,
1707
01:46:53,960 --> 01:46:55,252
Michael was not gay.
1708
01:46:55,921 --> 01:46:57,713
Nor has he ever been gay.
1709
01:46:58,507 --> 01:47:04,720
He's confided in me that certain women
that he had relationships with,
1710
01:47:05,764 --> 01:47:08,599
he wasn't public about any of it,
1711
01:47:08,850 --> 01:47:12,770
because you don't want the fans
to think you're tied down,
1712
01:47:12,854 --> 01:47:15,981
they don't have that shot of getting to you.
1713
01:47:19,820 --> 01:47:22,405
I went to his home, Neverland,
1714
01:47:22,489 --> 01:47:23,531
Whitney Houston
SINGER
1715
01:47:23,990 --> 01:47:26,367
and he pulled out all of the stops.
1716
01:47:26,952 --> 01:47:31,705
He picked me up in a helicopter,
and I got to the house,
1717
01:47:32,332 --> 01:47:36,460
and he had a coach and buggy
pick me up from the gate, to his home.
1718
01:47:37,170 --> 01:47:42,174
We were in the kitchen, and this
is when he had Bubbles, the monkey.
1719
01:47:43,176 --> 01:47:47,721
I had taken off my shoes,
and I felt this little nibble at my toe,
1720
01:47:48,723 --> 01:47:51,809
and I thought Michael was playing with my toes.
1721
01:47:51,893 --> 01:47:53,978
I was like, "Oh, Michael, aren't you special."
1722
01:47:54,646 --> 01:47:56,897
But it was Bubbles sucking on my big toe.
1723
01:47:57,566 --> 01:47:59,066
I thought to myself,
1724
01:48:00,444 --> 01:48:02,278
"You better watch out,
I'll take Bubbles home."
1725
01:48:04,698 --> 01:48:08,951
Michael told me about being on the set
of a movie,
1726
01:48:09,035 --> 01:48:14,790
and one of the leading ladies
invited him to her room to watch a movie
1727
01:48:15,750 --> 01:48:20,546
and I guess the saying would be
she "jumped his bones."
1728
01:48:21,131 --> 01:48:25,176
I know some of the stars
that Michael had been with.
1729
01:48:26,845 --> 01:48:28,596
I'll take that to my grave.
1730
01:48:33,810 --> 01:48:36,312
When he married Lisa Marie Presley,
it came out of nowhere
1731
01:48:36,396 --> 01:48:39,398
and everybody thought it was a big joke,
including me.
1732
01:48:42,068 --> 01:48:44,862
I went on television and I cracked a joke
1733
01:48:45,030 --> 01:48:49,241
that if anybody's interested in buying
Michael and Lisa Marie a wedding present,
1734
01:48:49,409 --> 01:48:51,368
they're registered at Toys R Us.
1735
01:48:51,953 --> 01:48:54,538
On my way home,
the phone rang and it was Michael,
1736
01:48:54,706 --> 01:48:57,166
and he said, "Of all the people in my world,
1737
01:48:57,250 --> 01:49:01,462
"I would think that you would not
belittle my relationship."
1738
01:49:02,005 --> 01:49:05,841
And I said, "Well, you know, I feel
really terrible right now about this, Michael,
1739
01:49:05,926 --> 01:49:08,594
"but you have to understand
that this thing with Lisa Marie
1740
01:49:08,845 --> 01:49:11,013
"has come out of the clear blue sky.
1741
01:49:11,264 --> 01:49:12,848
"Nobody understands what's going on here.
1742
01:49:12,933 --> 01:49:15,601
"She's from Graceland, you're from Neverland.
1743
01:49:16,102 --> 01:49:17,561
"What is going on here?"
1744
01:49:19,814 --> 01:49:22,107
We did a very long interview,
in which he explained to me
1745
01:49:22,526 --> 01:49:25,027
that he really felt very strongly
about Lisa Marie Presley,
1746
01:49:25,779 --> 01:49:28,280
that the marriage was a real marriage for him.
1747
01:49:29,449 --> 01:49:32,243
And he said,
"And if you don't believe me, ask Lisa Marie."
1748
01:49:32,452 --> 01:49:33,869
And so I did.
1749
01:49:34,579 --> 01:49:37,289
I interviewed Lisa Marie several times.
1750
01:49:37,374 --> 01:49:39,750
And I can tell you one thing
about Lisa Marie Presley,
1751
01:49:40,418 --> 01:49:41,460
she's tough.
1752
01:49:42,462 --> 01:49:43,671
She tells the truth.
1753
01:49:44,256 --> 01:49:46,924
She is in-your-face honest.
1754
01:49:49,302 --> 01:49:52,304
I believed her when she told me
that that was a real marriage.
1755
01:49:54,683 --> 01:49:56,392
It was a surprise to me.
1756
01:49:56,643 --> 01:49:59,979
I had heard it on television,
but he never told me.
1757
01:50:00,981 --> 01:50:03,232
He called me, and I said,
1758
01:50:03,316 --> 01:50:05,609
"I've been hearing about you being married
to Lisa Marie Presley."
1759
01:50:05,694 --> 01:50:08,487
He said, "Yes, that's why I called you.
I wanted to tell you about it.
1760
01:50:08,989 --> 01:50:10,739
"And she's right here.
You wanna speak to her?"
1761
01:50:11,866 --> 01:50:13,701
And I spoke to her.
1762
01:50:14,536 --> 01:50:16,912
Being raised in the South, she had that accent.
1763
01:50:17,247 --> 01:50:19,331
She had a very deep voice, also.
1764
01:50:19,708 --> 01:50:22,167
And I told Michael, I said,
"Michael, that's not her.
1765
01:50:22,502 --> 01:50:24,336
"That's a black girl that I spoke to."
1766
01:50:27,382 --> 01:50:29,008
He was married to his career.
1767
01:50:29,092 --> 01:50:33,262
And I don't think any woman
could live with somebody
1768
01:50:33,680 --> 01:50:36,557
and find that they place second,
1769
01:50:38,018 --> 01:50:39,018
and not first.
1770
01:50:41,104 --> 01:50:42,730
Michael and Debbie were always very different.
1771
01:50:43,440 --> 01:50:45,608
Debbie Rowe and Michael Jackson
were not in love.
1772
01:50:47,027 --> 01:50:51,572
Debbie Rowe was somebody
that would have been a surrogate mother
1773
01:50:52,032 --> 01:50:55,701
to Michael's children, had he had his way.
1774
01:50:56,286 --> 01:50:59,455
Had he had his way,
we would never even know her name.
1775
01:50:59,956 --> 01:51:03,417
The problem was that Michael's own mom
1776
01:51:04,294 --> 01:51:09,715
was so determined that Michael
not have children out of wedlock,
1777
01:51:10,216 --> 01:51:14,428
that she really wanted Michael to marry Debbie.
1778
01:51:15,055 --> 01:51:20,434
And Michael felt pressured also,
by the record industry and by his fans,
1779
01:51:20,560 --> 01:51:23,354
to sort of make an honest woman
out of Debbie Rowe.
1780
01:51:23,438 --> 01:51:25,105
And she would have done anything for Michael.
1781
01:51:25,649 --> 01:51:29,735
She was a big fan of his. She had posters
of him all over her apartment.
1782
01:51:30,070 --> 01:51:31,403
She would have done anything for him.
1783
01:51:34,783 --> 01:51:36,325
She never lived at Neverland.
1784
01:51:36,743 --> 01:51:40,412
She never moved in to Neverland,
like Lisa Marie did.
1785
01:51:40,747 --> 01:51:44,750
Their marriage was a marriage in name only,
1786
01:51:44,918 --> 01:51:48,754
so that she could have his children
and then they divorced.
1787
01:51:48,880 --> 01:51:51,757
Michael told me
the reason he married Debbie Rowe
1788
01:51:51,883 --> 01:51:52,883
David Gest
MICHAEL'S CLOSE FRIEND
1789
01:51:52,967 --> 01:51:54,927
was because he wanted to have a child
1790
01:51:55,095 --> 01:51:59,223
and that she was just a really nice person
to be around.
1791
01:51:59,599 --> 01:52:03,268
It wasn't that he was so physically
in love with her,
1792
01:52:03,770 --> 01:52:08,941
it's that he liked that she was a great nurse,
and she understood him.
1793
01:52:11,611 --> 01:52:14,196
Michael had two children with Debbie Rowe:
Prince (1997) and Paris (1998).
1794
01:52:18,451 --> 01:52:22,579
He had a third child "Blanket" in 2002
with an unknown mother.
1795
01:52:23,790 --> 01:52:28,919
I got up one day and heard on the radio
The Love You Save by the Jackson 5.
1796
01:52:31,756 --> 01:52:34,258
It was my all-time favourite record
by the group.
1797
01:52:34,634 --> 01:52:38,595
And I called Michael and said,
"We're gonna do a concert,
1798
01:52:40,640 --> 01:52:43,642
"and I'm gonna reunite
you and your brothers."
1799
01:52:43,810 --> 01:52:44,852
Michael said no.
1800
01:52:45,687 --> 01:52:47,146
Straight out, no.
1801
01:52:47,647 --> 01:52:51,316
And I called him again
and I said, "We've got to do this.
1802
01:52:51,943 --> 01:52:53,527
"You're gonna make a lot of money
1803
01:52:54,988 --> 01:52:58,824
"and we'll put together a deal
and you and I will own it.
1804
01:53:00,160 --> 01:53:01,785
"We'll be partners in this."
1805
01:53:02,454 --> 01:53:04,455
And Michael said, "Okay, let's do it."
1806
01:53:04,664 --> 01:53:06,331
We set the wheels in motion
1807
01:53:06,791 --> 01:53:11,295
for the Michael Jackson
30th Anniversary Celebration: The Solo Years
1808
01:53:11,671 --> 01:53:14,965
in New York City at Madison Square Garden.
1809
01:53:15,842 --> 01:53:19,178
It was about six weeks before the show.
1810
01:53:19,304 --> 01:53:20,304
Frank Cascio
JACKSON'S FRIEND, ASSISTANT
1811
01:53:20,388 --> 01:53:24,183
And all of a sudden, as Michael expected,
1812
01:53:26,019 --> 01:53:29,897
Jermaine had all these random requests
and demands.
1813
01:53:30,482 --> 01:53:33,400
Michael was very disappointed with Jermaine.
1814
01:53:33,860 --> 01:53:36,653
He never thought he was very shrewd or sharp.
1815
01:53:36,863 --> 01:53:38,655
He loved his brother dearly.
1816
01:53:39,324 --> 01:53:42,993
But there was a competition between them.
1817
01:53:43,620 --> 01:53:47,039
Michael said, "Well, if he's a problem,
get him off the show."
1818
01:53:49,042 --> 01:53:51,960
I think it was really difficult
for Jermaine to live in the shadow
1819
01:53:52,212 --> 01:53:55,464
of somebody who was as huge as Michael.
1820
01:53:55,548 --> 01:53:56,882
J. Randy Taraborrelli
JACKSON FRIEND AND BIOGRAPHER
1821
01:53:57,050 --> 01:53:59,343
And they were very, very competitive
in that family.
1822
01:53:59,677 --> 01:54:02,554
Two weeks before the show,
Katherine Jackson called me and said,
1823
01:54:03,181 --> 01:54:05,224
"I want all my sons together.
1824
01:54:06,142 --> 01:54:07,684
"Jermaine has to go back."
1825
01:54:07,894 --> 01:54:09,353
I said, "I can't deal with him."
1826
01:54:09,729 --> 01:54:11,396
And she said, "He will be no problem."
1827
01:54:12,732 --> 01:54:15,150
And he came and was a perfect angel.
1828
01:54:19,697 --> 01:54:24,660
Michael really wanted Elizabeth Taylor
at the show, as his date.
1829
01:54:27,247 --> 01:54:30,874
But Elizabeth wasn't gonna
do anything for nothing.
1830
01:54:32,085 --> 01:54:34,378
"Oh, Michael, I don't know.
1831
01:54:35,046 --> 01:54:36,588
"I don't know, Michael.
1832
01:54:36,840 --> 01:54:41,426
"I'm not feeling so well
and I don't know if it's a good idea."
1833
01:54:42,846 --> 01:54:46,223
That day, he picked out the most
beautiful necklace for Elizabeth Taylor.
1834
01:54:46,933 --> 01:54:49,935
"Oh, Michael, I love it.
1835
01:54:50,436 --> 01:54:54,523
"Of course I will come to the show with you.
Of course."
1836
01:54:55,692 --> 01:55:01,113
So, Elizabeth Taylor,
for a fee of a $250,000 necklace,
1837
01:55:02,031 --> 01:55:04,408
was Michael Jackson's date at the show.
1838
01:55:04,868 --> 01:55:07,536
Well, he is one of my closest friends.
1839
01:55:07,620 --> 01:55:08,704
Madison Square Garden
SEPTEMBER 7TH, 2001
1840
01:55:08,788 --> 01:55:14,626
And we know more about each other,
probably, than any two people.
1841
01:55:15,795 --> 01:55:17,588
And I love him and he loves me.
1842
01:55:19,424 --> 01:55:22,801
He was supposed to be in the audience
from 8:00 to 9:00,
1843
01:55:23,094 --> 01:55:25,971
watching all the acts do a tribute to him.
1844
01:55:27,807 --> 01:55:32,936
No Michael at 8:00, no Michael at 8:15,
no Michael at 8:30.
1845
01:55:34,397 --> 01:55:36,899
The CBS people were saying,
"What's going on?"
1846
01:55:37,150 --> 01:55:39,109
I said, "He's on his way."
1847
01:55:40,278 --> 01:55:43,030
Frank Cascio went over to the hotel.
1848
01:55:43,656 --> 01:55:45,657
So I walk into his room, he's sleeping.
1849
01:55:46,743 --> 01:55:48,160
"What do you mean he's asleep?"
1850
01:55:48,828 --> 01:55:53,123
I could tell he was out of it
and he wasn't completely there.
1851
01:55:53,333 --> 01:55:56,043
I started shouting at him.
I said, "What did you take?"
1852
01:55:56,127 --> 01:55:58,253
So, he told me, he took a shot of Demerol.
1853
01:55:58,755 --> 01:56:00,881
He said, "Frank, my back was killing me."
1854
01:56:00,965 --> 01:56:03,175
I said, "You're just looking for an excuse
to get out of the show.
1855
01:56:04,260 --> 01:56:05,302
"Just tell me, isn't that right?"
1856
01:56:05,845 --> 01:56:06,887
He wouldn't answer me.
1857
01:56:07,597 --> 01:56:09,014
But I knew that was what it was.
1858
01:56:09,223 --> 01:56:13,435
I said, "I don't care what you've taken,
you get on there and entertain."
1859
01:56:13,519 --> 01:56:15,437
What makes this a great night for you?
1860
01:56:15,647 --> 01:56:22,319
It's a reunion and I'm honoured
that the world appreciates my art.
1861
01:56:22,403 --> 01:56:23,570
I'm very honoured.
1862
01:56:24,155 --> 01:56:26,448
I remember talking to Michael at that time,
1863
01:56:26,866 --> 01:56:30,160
and he fell asleep on the phone
when I was talking to him.
1864
01:56:30,244 --> 01:56:34,790
And I called his lawyer and I said,
"Is it possible that Michael is on drugs?"
1865
01:56:34,874 --> 01:56:38,377
Because I couldn't imagine it.
Michael never did anything like that.
1866
01:56:39,629 --> 01:56:44,132
Michael never admitted to anybody
that he had a problem with drugs.
1867
01:56:45,677 --> 01:56:47,052
He was totally aloof.
1868
01:56:48,388 --> 01:56:51,890
Those of us that did know, and tried to help,
1869
01:56:53,810 --> 01:56:55,435
he just eliminated.
1870
01:56:56,938 --> 01:57:00,941
He's an amazing man, that he could,
on the pills that he took,
1871
01:57:01,401 --> 01:57:02,734
put on a performance.
1872
01:57:03,611 --> 01:57:06,321
He looked like his eyes were closed
most of the time,
1873
01:57:06,406 --> 01:57:07,990
because I've got the tapes.
1874
01:57:09,158 --> 01:57:11,910
But no one knew.
1875
01:57:12,245 --> 01:57:13,829
It was a brilliant show.
1876
01:57:14,414 --> 01:57:18,583
A lot of energy with the brothers
being on stage once more, again.
1877
01:57:18,668 --> 01:57:22,713
And the whole thing,
just playing those hit songs once more,
1878
01:57:23,881 --> 01:57:25,340
brought back a lot of great memories.
1879
01:57:31,597 --> 01:57:33,932
I don't know anybody
who could do all those dances
1880
01:57:34,517 --> 01:57:36,852
and get up there. And he got away with it.
1881
01:57:38,354 --> 01:57:40,439
The TV broadcast of the concert
went on to become
1882
01:57:40,565 --> 01:57:42,691
one of the highest rated
"Music Specials" in American history.
1883
01:58:02,128 --> 01:58:08,550
Around 2003, Michael became involved
with a family by the name of Arvizo.
1884
01:58:09,260 --> 01:58:13,472
And Martin Bashir was doing a documentary
about Michael.
1885
01:58:14,390 --> 01:58:16,725
And it was Michael's idea
1886
01:58:18,311 --> 01:58:21,104
to feature this kid in the documentary.
1887
01:58:22,940 --> 01:58:27,944
Michael has a deep affection
for helping children in need.
1888
01:58:28,821 --> 01:58:34,117
And this child happened to have
a severe case of cancer.
1889
01:58:35,828 --> 01:58:40,123
Michael immediately wanted to do something
to help, to give this child hope,
1890
01:58:40,625 --> 01:58:43,335
and give him a reason to live.
1891
01:58:43,836 --> 01:58:46,963
A lot of the people working for Michael
Jackson didn't want Michael to do this
1892
01:58:47,465 --> 01:58:50,008
because they felt that after what happened
with Jordy Chandler,
1893
01:58:50,259 --> 01:58:55,597
people shouldn't be reminded of any
association that Michael had with any kids.
1894
01:58:55,848 --> 01:58:58,642
But Michael had no consciousness
of guilt, at all.
1895
01:58:59,352 --> 01:59:00,519
I saw the original documentary
that Mr Bashir produced.
1896
01:59:00,645 --> 01:59:02,187
Thomas A. Mesereau, Jr.
JACKSON'S ATTORNEY, 2005 TRIAL
1897
01:59:02,271 --> 01:59:04,189
I didn't know Michael Jackson at the time.
1898
01:59:04,315 --> 01:59:07,359
But something seemed very, very manipulative,
1899
01:59:07,443 --> 01:59:10,529
very sinister, about the way
he approached Michael Jackson.
1900
01:59:11,197 --> 01:59:15,784
And what was proof of that
was the naïvete Michael displayed
1901
01:59:15,868 --> 01:59:19,788
in continuing to talk to this man,
who clearly, in my opinion,
1902
01:59:19,872 --> 01:59:21,873
was bent on destroying his reputation.
1903
01:59:22,125 --> 01:59:25,377
Tonight, 12-year-old
Gavin reveals he spends nights at Neverland,
1904
01:59:25,461 --> 01:59:28,380
sometimes in Jackson's bed,
the star on the floor.
1905
01:59:29,882 --> 01:59:34,553
Next thing you know, children protective
services became involved,
1906
01:59:34,679 --> 01:59:37,305
and different lawyers began asking questions,
1907
01:59:38,057 --> 01:59:40,016
Tom Sneddon is back in the picture again.
1908
01:59:41,060 --> 01:59:47,983
And the Arvizo family, suddenly, have
decided that Michael had molested Gavin.
1909
01:59:51,070 --> 01:59:54,656
Gavin came to Michael, and said, "Michael,
can we sleep in your room tonight?"
1910
01:59:54,740 --> 01:59:56,616
Frank Cascio - UNINDICTED
CO-CONSPIRATOR, JACKSON TRIAL 2005
1911
01:59:56,701 --> 02:00:00,662
And Michael looked at me and says,
"I don't know.
1912
02:00:00,746 --> 02:00:03,123
"You know, I think you better
ask your mother."
1913
02:00:03,457 --> 02:00:06,668
"Oh, we already asked our mother.
She says,"Sure, no problem.'"
1914
02:00:07,253 --> 02:00:11,006
I'm like, "No. This is... Something's odd.
This is not right."
1915
02:00:11,215 --> 02:00:16,094
And then, as I was about to go tell Gavin
that he cannot sleep in Michael's room,
1916
02:00:16,554 --> 02:00:18,930
Michael says, "Okay, I have a solution for this.
1917
02:00:20,183 --> 02:00:23,059
"You have to sleep in the room with me."
1918
02:00:23,603 --> 02:00:27,606
The two children slept on the bed
and Michael and I slept on the floor.
1919
02:00:28,232 --> 02:00:31,359
An arrest warrant for Mr Jackson has been issued
1920
02:00:31,944 --> 02:00:34,237
on multiple counts of child molestation.
1921
02:00:35,406 --> 02:00:36,531
At this point in time,
1922
02:00:37,116 --> 02:00:40,285
Mr Jackson's been given an opportunity
to surrender himself
1923
02:00:41,120 --> 02:00:43,413
to the custody
of the Santa Barbara Sheriff's Department
1924
02:00:43,664 --> 02:00:45,832
within a specified period of time.
1925
02:00:46,000 --> 02:00:50,045
They were claiming that Michael
organised a conspiracy to abduct children,
1926
02:00:50,171 --> 02:00:53,965
to falsely imprison a family
and to commit criminal extortion.
1927
02:00:54,258 --> 02:00:57,719
And the other counts had to do
with allegations of child molestation.
1928
02:00:57,887 --> 02:01:02,307
These were serious allegations,
the most ridiculous allegations.
1929
02:01:02,850 --> 02:01:06,895
Anyone who knows Michael,
Michael is not a paedophile.
1930
02:01:08,898 --> 02:01:12,359
Mr Jackson has been booked into the county jail.
1931
02:01:12,443 --> 02:01:16,071
He has since been released.
He has posted the bail
1932
02:01:16,405 --> 02:01:18,240
and he has been given an arraignment date.
1933
02:01:18,866 --> 02:01:19,908
Katherine Jackson
MICHAEL'S MOTHER
1934
02:01:19,992 --> 02:01:22,702
It bothered me because I was wondering
how he was feeling
1935
02:01:22,787 --> 02:01:24,537
and how he was dealing with it.
1936
02:01:25,623 --> 02:01:29,918
Michael used to always tell me, "I'd rather
slit my own wrist than to hurt a child.
1937
02:01:30,294 --> 02:01:32,045
"And here they are trying to accuse me
1938
02:01:32,463 --> 02:01:35,715
"of the thing that I love best,
and that's children,
1939
02:01:35,925 --> 02:01:37,592
"accuse me of molesting them."
1940
02:01:37,927 --> 02:01:41,179
The more I looked at the facts,
the more I conversed with him,
1941
02:01:41,264 --> 02:01:43,181
the more ridiculous these charges appeared.
1942
02:01:43,266 --> 02:01:45,016
He just did not seem like the kind of person
1943
02:01:45,101 --> 02:01:47,811
that could ever engage
in this kind of behaviour.
1944
02:01:49,397 --> 02:01:52,774
Mr Sneddon was obsessed
with taking down Michael Jackson.
1945
02:01:53,359 --> 02:01:57,320
My understanding is that in the mid-'900s,
Mr Sneddon personally traveled
1946
02:01:57,446 --> 02:02:01,116
to Australia and Canada,
and perhaps other countries I'm not aware of,
1947
02:02:01,450 --> 02:02:03,660
to find witnesses against Michael Jackson.
1948
02:02:03,786 --> 02:02:08,081
He also arranged to have a website at the
Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Department
1949
02:02:08,165 --> 02:02:10,917
where they were looking for any witnesses
or evidence against Michael.
1950
02:02:12,586 --> 02:02:15,547
Finally, in 2004, he got his wish,
1951
02:02:15,673 --> 02:02:18,425
a criminal trial
with Michael Jackson as the defendant.
1952
02:02:18,801 --> 02:02:24,723
To see this DA, with this wicked smile and grin,
1953
02:02:25,016 --> 02:02:28,935
like, he's gonna become a national hero
1954
02:02:30,646 --> 02:02:34,149
for catching Michael Jackson
doing something that he never did
1955
02:02:35,151 --> 02:02:38,486
made me wanna just throw up on the television.
1956
02:02:39,113 --> 02:02:42,824
Jackson himself, I believe, has said
that this was all done
1957
02:02:42,908 --> 02:02:46,745
to tty to ruin his new CD that was coming out
or whatever it is he's doing,
1958
02:02:47,246 --> 02:02:50,373
like the sheriff and I really
are into that kind of music. But...
1959
02:02:53,294 --> 02:02:56,755
There was a real, sort of, leaning
in the press corps
1960
02:02:57,214 --> 02:03:00,300
that, "Look, if this is happening again,
then he must be guilty."
1961
02:03:01,093 --> 02:03:03,345
We really didn't know what they had.
1962
02:03:03,763 --> 02:03:07,515
We just... Because it was all sealed
and nobody knew what it was.
1963
02:03:07,850 --> 02:03:10,977
I personally believe this Janet Arvizo
1964
02:03:12,521 --> 02:03:14,773
was provoked by someone.
1965
02:03:15,232 --> 02:03:17,400
Janet Arvizo is a sick woman.
1966
02:03:17,485 --> 02:03:21,488
She has a track history of shaking people down.
1967
02:03:21,572 --> 02:03:25,241
The more I looked at the history
of welfare fraud,
1968
02:03:25,326 --> 02:03:28,787
the more I looked at their
hustling celebrities to try and get money,
1969
02:03:28,871 --> 02:03:32,999
the more I put this package together,
I have to say, I was quite surprised
1970
02:03:33,292 --> 02:03:36,711
that the prosecutors pinned their hopes
on these people.
1971
02:03:36,796 --> 02:03:39,672
We've been ready to do this
for some period of time.
1972
02:03:39,757 --> 02:03:42,175
I wanna clarify that
so that you understand that.
1973
02:03:42,259 --> 02:03:45,387
Prosecution was like a train
that left the station.
1974
02:03:45,471 --> 02:03:47,097
It was not gonna slow down.
1975
02:03:47,348 --> 02:03:49,641
Once they decided to charge Michael Jackson,
1976
02:03:49,725 --> 02:03:52,560
it almost appeared as if they were gonna do
whatever it took
1977
02:03:52,645 --> 02:03:55,438
to make sure this thing got to trial
and that they got a conviction.
1978
02:03:57,566 --> 02:04:01,861
Seventy sheriffs from Santa Barbara County
raided Michael Jackson's home.
1979
02:04:02,238 --> 02:04:03,988
Now, I've seen murder cases,
1980
02:04:04,073 --> 02:04:08,660
I've seen serial killers have
investigations done in their premises,
1981
02:04:08,911 --> 02:04:11,996
with five people, with six people,
with 10 people.
1982
02:04:12,081 --> 02:04:16,876
Never have I seen this many sheriffs
descend on anybody's home in any case.
1983
02:04:17,002 --> 02:04:18,837
It was all done because of who he was,
1984
02:04:18,921 --> 02:04:21,714
and they knew this was gonna be
a worldwide event,
1985
02:04:21,841 --> 02:04:24,551
and, frankly, it was very despicable
as far as I'm concerned.
1986
02:04:24,718 --> 02:04:28,054
There was a lynch mob mentality
in Santa Maria that extended
1987
02:04:28,180 --> 02:04:31,891
not only to the police
and to the district attorney
1988
02:04:32,017 --> 02:04:33,935
but, maybe, to the media as well.
1989
02:04:34,270 --> 02:04:37,522
And I remember when we were standing
in line to get our press credentials,
1990
02:04:37,857 --> 02:04:41,943
one of the reporters, a woman,
who was a very popular reporter in America,
1991
02:04:42,069 --> 02:04:44,779
pulled herself out of the line and she said,
1992
02:04:44,864 --> 02:04:49,576
"Is there anybody standing in this line,
besides J. Randy Taraborrelli,
1993
02:04:49,702 --> 02:04:53,288
"who does not believe
that Michael Jackson is guilty?"
1994
02:04:54,957 --> 02:04:56,666
And there was the issue of race.
1995
02:04:56,750 --> 02:05:00,295
When he got in big trouble,
he reached out to black leaders
1996
02:05:00,379 --> 02:05:01,546
to try and defend him.
1997
02:05:02,298 --> 02:05:06,259
He reached out to Reverend Jesse Jackson,
to Reverend AI Sharpton and others.
1998
02:05:06,385 --> 02:05:09,429
I wanted to avoid any racial division.
1999
02:05:09,722 --> 02:05:14,642
There was a phone call one night.
It was Michael Jackson and his publicist.
2000
02:05:14,727 --> 02:05:17,604
She wanted to bring black celebrities
into the courtroom.
2001
02:05:17,730 --> 02:05:20,064
She felt this would be better for his legacy.
2002
02:05:20,149 --> 02:05:23,651
And my comment about this request was that,
2003
02:05:23,736 --> 02:05:25,153
you know, if he's convicted,
2004
02:05:25,237 --> 02:05:28,781
his legacy is gonna be dying
in California State Prison.
2005
02:05:33,579 --> 02:05:38,666
And I flew out, at the request
of Katherine, to go to the arraignment.
2006
02:05:38,751 --> 02:05:41,669
When we all drove up together, you know,
and went through that.
2007
02:05:41,754 --> 02:05:42,921
Frank Dileo
JACKSON MANAGER 1984-89, 2009
2008
02:05:43,005 --> 02:05:44,589
Of course, then he got on the roof.
2009
02:05:51,764 --> 02:05:53,723
When he got in the car, I said,
2010
02:05:53,807 --> 02:05:56,768
"Will you stop that already?
This is serious stuff here."
2011
02:05:57,019 --> 02:06:01,105
He went in there, he was strong,
he was not gonna let anything get to him,
2012
02:06:01,190 --> 02:06:03,733
he was jumping on the bus,
2013
02:06:03,817 --> 02:06:06,444
really proud, you know what, showing his fans,
2014
02:06:06,529 --> 02:06:08,488
"We're gonna get through this,
we're gonna fight.
2015
02:06:08,614 --> 02:06:10,615
"Everything's gonna be fine."
2016
02:06:11,116 --> 02:06:12,116
When we first started,
2017
02:06:12,201 --> 02:06:15,995
Michael came in
and he looked really robust and healthy.
2018
02:06:16,121 --> 02:06:20,625
He was sharp and focused,
2019
02:06:21,210 --> 02:06:24,379
and determined to prove his innocence.
2020
02:06:26,882 --> 02:06:29,842
Case 1133603: The People vs Jackson
begins on February 28, 2005.
2021
02:06:29,969 --> 02:06:31,761
Even after the first day,
2022
02:06:31,845 --> 02:06:35,557
you knew that these people
were only after money,
2023
02:06:35,641 --> 02:06:40,812
and this was the biggest hoax in the world
that they were trying to pull.
2024
02:06:41,146 --> 02:06:44,148
They put witnesses on the stand
to testify under oath
2025
02:06:44,233 --> 02:06:45,650
to things that never happened,
2026
02:06:45,734 --> 02:06:48,361
to things that were completely exaggerated
and untrue.
2027
02:06:49,572 --> 02:06:52,198
They were willing to almost throw anything
at the jury,
2028
02:06:52,324 --> 02:06:54,158
hoping something would stick.
2029
02:06:54,326 --> 02:06:58,162
Time for
a diminutive mother of four, Janet Arvizo,
2030
02:06:58,247 --> 02:06:59,747
to take centre stage.
2031
02:06:59,915 --> 02:07:03,001
Her evidence could end the career
of a pop legend.
2032
02:07:03,085 --> 02:07:06,504
What had upset me is they were reporting
2033
02:07:06,589 --> 02:07:07,630
Tito Jackson
MICHAEL'S BROTHER
2034
02:07:07,715 --> 02:07:10,842
everything that was said about Michael,
2035
02:07:11,176 --> 02:07:13,845
but they wasn't reporting
anything in his defence.
2036
02:07:13,929 --> 02:07:15,680
It looked like a feeding frenzy to me.
2037
02:07:15,764 --> 02:07:16,973
The media were just out
2038
02:07:17,057 --> 02:07:21,519
to see the world's greatest known celebrity
fall to destruction.
2039
02:07:21,604 --> 02:07:24,897
That's where they thought their ratings
in the future would come from.
2040
02:07:25,107 --> 02:07:27,859
And, for me, it was really a disgrace.
2041
02:07:28,527 --> 02:07:29,861
During the trial,
2042
02:07:29,945 --> 02:07:32,530
Diane Dimond was the worst person in the world.
2043
02:07:33,449 --> 02:07:36,743
Nice to meet you. Your hands are very cold.
2044
02:07:36,869 --> 02:07:39,495
I didn't say what you thought I'd say.
Did you get my message?
2045
02:07:39,580 --> 02:07:41,372
I got your message.
2046
02:07:41,540 --> 02:07:45,543
I don't understand how these people
can run out and lie.
2047
02:07:46,420 --> 02:07:49,881
They don't even get a chance
to find out the truth.
2048
02:07:51,383 --> 02:07:54,093
Tom Mesereau would get there and show...
And clean it up,
2049
02:07:54,219 --> 02:07:57,388
and show that this is not true,
this is really how it went,
2050
02:07:57,640 --> 02:07:59,557
but they wouldn't report that.
2051
02:07:59,642 --> 02:08:01,643
And that went on for months.
2052
02:08:01,894 --> 02:08:05,104
When we finally got to see
what was being alleged,
2053
02:08:05,230 --> 02:08:08,941
it just seemed so ridiculous
and so far-fetched
2054
02:08:09,068 --> 02:08:14,072
that I remember one reporter from CNN
came over to me
2055
02:08:14,740 --> 02:08:17,700
after the day that the mother testified,
Janet Arvizo,
2056
02:08:17,785 --> 02:08:20,119
and he said, "I feel so used."
2057
02:08:20,371 --> 02:08:24,374
Mrs Arvizo claimed
that she feared Michael Jackson so much
2058
02:08:24,458 --> 02:08:26,918
that she thought he and his henchmen were gonna
2059
02:08:27,044 --> 02:08:31,589
put she and her family on a hot air balloon
and let them sail away to their demise.
2060
02:08:31,882 --> 02:08:36,969
That was one of, probably, 500 crazy things
that came out of this trial
2061
02:08:37,096 --> 02:08:39,639
that the Arvizo family were alleging.
2062
02:08:39,765 --> 02:08:42,809
Sitting in court,
listening to all these people lie,
2063
02:08:42,935 --> 02:08:45,687
people he'd been good to and all of that,
2064
02:08:45,771 --> 02:08:49,774
he said he couldn't believe
that they were telling all these lies on him.
2065
02:08:49,900 --> 02:08:53,111
These people must have been paid off
to do a lot of this stuff.
2066
02:08:53,278 --> 02:08:55,113
I warned him about this family.
2067
02:08:55,239 --> 02:08:59,450
I warned him about that mother.
That mother, I read from a mile away.
2068
02:08:59,660 --> 02:09:02,620
She had an agenda from day one.
2069
02:09:02,996 --> 02:09:06,457
There was a so-called
rebuttal video that was played,
2070
02:09:06,917 --> 02:09:13,423
the video that the Arvizo family made
after the allegations had surfaced,
2071
02:09:13,632 --> 02:09:19,470
in which they claim
that Michael had been a father figure
2072
02:09:19,596 --> 02:09:21,639
to this family.
2073
02:09:21,849 --> 02:09:24,809
And they were really adamant about it
on this video.
2074
02:09:24,935 --> 02:09:27,103
And this video existed.
2075
02:09:27,187 --> 02:09:30,064
And you would've thought
that just the fact that this video existed
2076
02:09:30,149 --> 02:09:31,649
would've been enough for the district attorney
2077
02:09:31,775 --> 02:09:33,317
to not wanna prosecute this case,
2078
02:09:33,444 --> 02:09:35,862
because, eventually,
we would have to see this video.
2079
02:09:35,988 --> 02:09:40,032
And all of us would then have to look at this
and think, "What the heck is going on here?"
2080
02:09:40,159 --> 02:09:41,451
Which is exactly what happened.
2081
02:09:41,994 --> 02:09:45,663
The focus, instead,
was on the defence's first celebrity witness,
2082
02:09:45,789 --> 02:09:47,957
the actor Macaulay Culkin.
2083
02:09:48,167 --> 02:09:51,669
The prosecution had suggested
that in the early 19900s,
2084
02:09:51,837 --> 02:09:55,965
he was one of a number of young boys
who'd been sexually abused by Jackson.
2085
02:09:56,049 --> 02:09:58,760
I have to say, Chris Tucker and Macaulay Culkin
2086
02:09:58,844 --> 02:10:02,180
will always go down in my book
as loyal, good friends.
2087
02:10:02,639 --> 02:10:06,642
They had managers and agents and lawyers
who didn't want them to get involved,
2088
02:10:06,727 --> 02:10:10,313
and they both told me that, "When Michael
needs us, we're gonna be there."
2089
02:10:10,397 --> 02:10:11,522
There were other witnesses,
2090
02:10:11,648 --> 02:10:15,151
people he knew at Neverland,
who came in to tell the truth.
2091
02:10:15,235 --> 02:10:18,529
We had a lot of people that rose to his defence.
2092
02:10:18,697 --> 02:10:22,366
I stood by him
because he was a decent, good man,
2093
02:10:23,827 --> 02:10:26,370
with a warm heart, a loving heart.
2094
02:10:32,544 --> 02:10:35,922
The family were extremely supportive
of Michael Jackson throughout this trial.
2095
02:10:36,048 --> 02:10:37,757
His mother never missed one day.
2096
02:10:37,883 --> 02:10:41,552
The trial lasted almost five months.
She never missed a day.
2097
02:10:41,678 --> 02:10:44,013
I knew what Michael was going through
2098
02:10:44,431 --> 02:10:47,433
and my heart just bled for him all the time.
2099
02:10:48,727 --> 02:10:50,228
The family was there
2100
02:10:50,354 --> 02:10:54,273
and there was this, sort of,
sense that it was gonna be okay.
2101
02:10:57,444 --> 02:11:00,530
I remember they showed
the Martin Bashir documentary,
2102
02:11:00,614 --> 02:11:02,907
and Michael's music was playing throughout it,
2103
02:11:03,075 --> 02:11:04,659
and I remember looking around the courtroom
2104
02:11:04,743 --> 02:11:08,162
and seeing all these heads
bobbing up and down to Michael's music.
2105
02:11:08,247 --> 02:11:09,455
And I thought to myself,
2106
02:11:09,581 --> 02:11:11,541
"Wow, this is gonna be
some crazy molestation trial,
2107
02:11:11,625 --> 02:11:15,753
"because everybody here
is, sort of, rocking out to Billie Jean. "
2108
02:11:16,213 --> 02:11:17,964
It just seemed very surreal to me.
2109
02:11:18,757 --> 02:11:21,843
The prosecution, in my opinion,
didn't know what to do
2110
02:11:21,927 --> 02:11:26,848
with the fact that they found
10 years' worth of magazines,
2111
02:11:26,932 --> 02:11:31,269
Playboy, Penthouse, Hustler, at Neverland,
2112
02:11:31,395 --> 02:11:35,064
which would suggest
that Michael Jackson was heterosexual,
2113
02:11:35,148 --> 02:11:38,776
and interested in seeing pictures
of beautiful women who were naked.
2114
02:11:38,944 --> 02:11:43,406
They weren't quite sure how to fit that
into their theory that he was a paedophile.
2115
02:11:43,490 --> 02:11:47,994
So they came up with the notion that
a paedophile will take magazines like this
2116
02:11:48,120 --> 02:11:50,746
to somehow groom the alleged victim.
2117
02:11:50,998 --> 02:11:53,541
The district attorney showed so much pornography
2118
02:11:53,625 --> 02:11:58,880
that your head was spinning
by the time this was over.
2119
02:11:58,964 --> 02:12:00,631
It was the only day that Katherine
2120
02:12:00,757 --> 02:12:03,968
excused herself from the courtroom
for the afternoon.
2121
02:12:04,303 --> 02:12:08,139
I thought, they're constantly
flashing this material at the jury,
2122
02:12:08,265 --> 02:12:11,809
which was a majority of females, by the way,
2123
02:12:11,935 --> 02:12:15,021
I thought just was stupid,
but that's what they did.
2124
02:12:15,147 --> 02:12:18,441
They couldn't find any pornography
on his computers.
2125
02:12:18,525 --> 02:12:21,485
They had the FBI test
every computer at Neverland,
2126
02:12:21,612 --> 02:12:24,238
they couldn't find any kiddie pornography.
2127
02:12:24,323 --> 02:12:26,657
So they just tried
to fit everything into their theory
2128
02:12:26,783 --> 02:12:28,492
and it just became an absurdity.
2129
02:12:28,660 --> 02:12:33,122
You just knew that there was
really something devious going on.
2130
02:12:34,833 --> 02:12:38,169
This guy, Tom Sneddon,
was really out to get him.
2131
02:12:38,837 --> 02:12:40,755
It had to be totally torture.
2132
02:12:40,839 --> 02:12:44,675
I couldn't imagine what was going on
in his mind and in his head.
2133
02:12:46,678 --> 02:12:48,179
He's not strong in that way, though.
2134
02:12:49,723 --> 02:12:53,643
The stress and strain
of this five-month trial took a toll on him.
2135
02:12:53,727 --> 02:12:57,313
You saw him losing weight,
he was having trouble sleeping.
2136
02:12:57,481 --> 02:13:00,149
I would talk to him at 3:00, 4:00, 5:00
in the morning,
2137
02:13:00,233 --> 02:13:01,484
and he would be terrified,
2138
02:13:01,568 --> 02:13:03,819
particularly about what might happen
to his children.
2139
02:13:04,071 --> 02:13:07,531
He did need some things
to help him fall asleep at night,
2140
02:13:07,658 --> 02:13:12,370
because there was no way he was sleeping
with all this stuff going on in his head.
2141
02:13:12,704 --> 02:13:14,914
I don't know how anyone could sleep.
2142
02:13:16,500 --> 02:13:19,251
The thought that you might be found guilty
2143
02:13:19,378 --> 02:13:22,922
and spend the rest of your life in a jail cell
2144
02:13:23,090 --> 02:13:26,550
and all your accomplishments
washed down the drain,
2145
02:13:27,719 --> 02:13:29,804
I don't know how he coped.
2146
02:13:29,888 --> 02:13:32,223
Most people would've taken a gun to their head.
2147
02:13:32,432 --> 02:13:35,768
His frame of mind was very, very fragile,
2148
02:13:36,603 --> 02:13:38,896
and I was concerned for him.
2149
02:13:39,064 --> 02:13:42,483
He was very worried
about his children and his mother
2150
02:13:42,567 --> 02:13:44,485
and what people would think.
2151
02:13:44,569 --> 02:13:46,237
The first day of Gavin's testimony,
2152
02:13:46,363 --> 02:13:48,280
Michael shows up and he's in pyjamas,
2153
02:13:48,407 --> 02:13:50,700
and he looked like he was in really bad shape.
2154
02:13:50,784 --> 02:13:53,911
And they actually, they had to, like,
help him into the courtroom.
2155
02:13:54,037 --> 02:13:57,581
From that moment on,
everything started to get really awful.
2156
02:13:57,874 --> 02:14:02,086
You started seeing Michael coming
in every day, looking like death.
2157
02:14:02,295 --> 02:14:06,257
It was as if the testimony
was just destroying him.
2158
02:14:06,466 --> 02:14:10,928
To sit there in court
and watch the legal system hurl
2159
02:14:11,054 --> 02:14:17,601
absurd and vindictive and nasty,
mean-spirited allegations at him like this,
2160
02:14:18,437 --> 02:14:20,354
absolutely traumatized him.
2161
02:14:20,605 --> 02:14:24,025
For me, and for other people
who actually knew Michael,
2162
02:14:24,109 --> 02:14:27,319
this was a real human being,
whose life was being destroyed,
2163
02:14:27,446 --> 02:14:29,488
and every day it just seemed to get worse.
2164
02:14:31,616 --> 02:14:35,786
5 months after the trial began the attorneys
presented their closing arguments.
2165
02:14:41,209 --> 02:14:46,005
On June 13th, 2005 after 9 days
of deliberation the jury reached a verdict.
2166
02:14:50,469 --> 02:14:55,306
If found guilty of all 10 charges Michael faced
spending the rest of his life in prison.
2167
02:15:06,860 --> 02:15:12,239
One of the sheriffs came to me and said,
"You've got the best seat in the house."
2168
02:15:12,574 --> 02:15:16,744
And I said, "Why?" And he said,
"Because you're sitting right behind Michael.
2169
02:15:16,828 --> 02:15:18,704
"And when we find him guilty,
2170
02:15:18,830 --> 02:15:23,417
"we're going to get him out of there so fast
that your head's gonna spin."
2171
02:15:23,710 --> 02:15:27,004
These people had already decided
that Michael was guilty.
2172
02:15:27,089 --> 02:15:28,214
And they were sure of it,
2173
02:15:28,340 --> 02:15:31,050
so sure that they had an exit plan
to get him out of there.
2174
02:15:37,849 --> 02:15:42,353
Michael came into the courtroom
and he looked like he was on serious drugs.
2175
02:15:42,771 --> 02:15:48,526
He really, truly looked like a dead man walking.
2176
02:15:51,279 --> 02:15:52,738
It was a tense moment, you know,
2177
02:15:52,864 --> 02:15:55,908
the entire world stopped
to watch what was gonna happen
2178
02:15:56,034 --> 02:16:00,371
to the best known celebrity,
a musical genius, Michael Jackson.
2179
02:16:00,455 --> 02:16:05,251
That was such an awfully emotional day,
you just didn't know what to expect.
2180
02:16:18,306 --> 02:16:20,391
We, the jury, in the above entitled case,
2181
02:16:20,475 --> 02:16:24,061
find the defendant not guilty of conspiracy,
2182
02:16:24,146 --> 02:16:26,897
as charged in count one of the indictment.
2183
02:16:29,734 --> 02:16:34,947
The verdict was read and it was, "Not guilty.
Not guilty. Not guilty. Not guilty."
2184
02:16:35,073 --> 02:16:37,741
All the way down the line,
all counts, "Not guilty."
2185
02:16:37,909 --> 02:16:44,790
And I remember, very specifically,
Michael seeming to not understand.
2186
02:16:44,958 --> 02:16:50,129
And I remember Tom Sneddon looking
at Michael for a reaction
2187
02:16:50,255 --> 02:16:51,505
and not really getting one.
2188
02:16:51,840 --> 02:16:55,301
And I also remember
Tom Mesereau, his lawyer, leaning in
2189
02:16:55,427 --> 02:16:59,513
and mouthing to Michael Jackson,
"You're a free man."
2190
02:16:59,598 --> 02:17:02,433
I could read his lips,"cause I was so close.
2191
02:17:02,767 --> 02:17:05,144
And Michael still didn't get it.
2192
02:17:06,771 --> 02:17:08,522
You felt like it was a triumphant moment
2193
02:17:08,607 --> 02:17:12,359
but then when you looked at him,
you realised that he wasn't there for it.
2194
02:17:12,611 --> 02:17:14,445
There was nothing you could do.
2195
02:17:14,613 --> 02:17:17,281
He was so devastated that it had happened
2196
02:17:18,116 --> 02:17:22,494
that you couldn't even find a place
to be happy that it ended the way it did
2197
02:17:22,579 --> 02:17:26,081
because it was so devastating
that it had occurred at all.
2198
02:17:31,796 --> 02:17:36,383
It's sad because I really feel that trial
2199
02:17:36,468 --> 02:17:40,429
is what really depressed
my brother out to the point
2200
02:17:40,513 --> 02:17:43,307
where he just wasn't happy.
2201
02:17:43,391 --> 02:17:46,518
He never went back to Neverland.
2202
02:17:47,437 --> 02:17:49,897
For Michael not to go to Neverland,
2203
02:17:49,981 --> 02:17:51,065
he must've been pretty sad.
2204
02:17:51,149 --> 02:17:55,110
Didn't wanna have nothing
to do with that place ever again.
2205
02:18:00,158 --> 02:18:01,867
He would always tell me,
2206
02:18:01,952 --> 02:18:04,453
"It's over. I don't trust anyone.
2207
02:18:05,038 --> 02:18:09,124
"I don't know why they're doing this to me.
They want me dead."
2208
02:18:09,709 --> 02:18:12,962
He said,
"They're gonna kill me for what I got."
2209
02:18:24,808 --> 02:18:28,727
I'm pretty sure there was times
when he felt that, you know,
2210
02:18:28,812 --> 02:18:33,816
"I wish I was someone else,"
or, other than an entertainer.
2211
02:18:35,151 --> 02:18:38,112
There's a certain point
that you can get to with success
2212
02:18:38,196 --> 02:18:39,238
Smokey Robinson
ARTIST, MOTOWN RECORDS
2213
02:18:39,322 --> 02:18:42,283
where you have no life whatsoever.
2214
02:18:43,535 --> 02:18:47,371
You lose the ability to be a person.
2215
02:18:47,789 --> 02:18:50,541
To be a person that cannot be a part
of the everyday life of this world,
2216
02:18:50,625 --> 02:18:52,042
Russell Thompkins, Jr.
LEAD SINGER,"THE STYLISTICS"
2217
02:18:53,837 --> 02:18:56,380
it could really be devastating on the mind.
2218
02:18:58,091 --> 02:18:59,925
You can't get it all for free.
2219
02:19:00,677 --> 02:19:02,970
And that's what happened with Michael,
2220
02:19:03,054 --> 02:19:04,179
Freda Payne
SINGER
2221
02:19:04,264 --> 02:19:06,223
he had to give up so much
that he lost his ability
2222
02:19:06,308 --> 02:19:09,143
to just walk amongst everyday people.
2223
02:19:09,561 --> 02:19:12,187
This was the first artist
that I'd been associated with,
2224
02:19:12,272 --> 02:19:13,314
Kenny Gamble & Leon Huff
2225
02:19:13,398 --> 02:19:14,690
PRODUCERS & SONGWRITERS,
PHILADELPHIA INT. RECORDS
2226
02:19:14,774 --> 02:19:16,066
and the only artist
that I'd been associated with,
2227
02:19:16,151 --> 02:19:18,527
that you could not walk down the street with.
2228
02:19:19,654 --> 02:19:24,616
Look at my life. It's somewhat normal.
It's not normal, but it's a little normal.
2229
02:19:25,160 --> 02:19:30,372
But judging my life to his,
his was nowhere close.
2230
02:19:30,874 --> 02:19:33,167
He just couldn't be anonymous.
2231
02:19:33,251 --> 02:19:34,335
Impossible.
2232
02:19:48,683 --> 02:19:51,352
Michael Jackson is proclaimed
the King of Pop.
2233
02:19:51,436 --> 02:19:52,478
Martha Reeves
ARTIST, MOTOWN RECORDS
2234
02:19:52,562 --> 02:19:54,396
It's kind of hard being a king.
2235
02:19:54,481 --> 02:19:56,774
You can get out of sorts.
2236
02:19:58,568 --> 02:20:04,573
I think he, kind of, like, isolated himself
from everyone who would say no.
2237
02:20:06,117 --> 02:20:08,660
Everything he wants is,
"Yes. Okay, Michael."
2238
02:20:09,704 --> 02:20:14,041
It's hard to have someone there
2239
02:20:14,125 --> 02:20:15,376
Billy Davis, Jr.
SINGER, "5th DIMENSION"
2240
02:20:15,460 --> 02:20:18,128
to give you an honest answer, an honest opinion.
2241
02:20:18,213 --> 02:20:20,672
Joseph would always tell him,
"Michael, watch your people.
2242
02:20:20,757 --> 02:20:21,924
"Michael, watch your people."
2243
02:20:22,008 --> 02:20:25,177
He said, "I trust my people.
My people are good people."
2244
02:20:25,303 --> 02:20:28,222
But that's not the case.
2245
02:20:28,306 --> 02:20:29,348
Katherine Jackson
MICHAEL'S MOTHER
2246
02:20:29,432 --> 02:20:31,266
People smile in your face, pat you on the back
2247
02:20:31,351 --> 02:20:33,435
and stab you at the same time.
2248
02:20:33,812 --> 02:20:35,562
These people saw money,
2249
02:20:35,647 --> 02:20:36,772
Bobby Taylor
ARTIST, GORDY & MOTOWN RECORDS
2250
02:20:36,898 --> 02:20:39,066
and they saw somebody who they could get to.
2251
02:20:39,401 --> 02:20:43,070
It was hard for Michael to say no,
as a kid and as an adult.
2252
02:20:45,907 --> 02:20:48,867
Because he generated so much wealth
and so much profit,
2253
02:20:48,952 --> 02:20:50,494
Thomas A. Mesereau, Jr.
JACKSON'S ATTORNEY, 2005 TRIAL
2254
02:20:50,578 --> 02:20:52,996
he became the repeated target
of unsavoury characters,
2255
02:20:53,081 --> 02:20:54,706
many of them mediocre,
2256
02:20:54,791 --> 02:20:58,293
who tried to get near him, promise him the moon
2257
02:20:58,420 --> 02:21:01,672
and then profit themselves by being around him.
2258
02:21:01,756 --> 02:21:05,592
And I think he received some tremendously
bad advice throughout his career
2259
02:21:05,677 --> 02:21:07,052
when it came to finances.
2260
02:21:07,303 --> 02:21:10,639
Michael was an easy touch,
2261
02:21:10,765 --> 02:21:13,559
and anybody could take advantage of him
2262
02:21:13,726 --> 02:21:17,688
just because he trusted everybody's word.
2263
02:21:18,356 --> 02:21:22,067
Michael would bring random people
into his life for business deals.
2264
02:21:22,152 --> 02:21:25,904
They would offer him the world
and Michael would believe them.
2265
02:21:26,865 --> 02:21:30,826
Michael told me he only committed
to 100 shows at the O2 dome
2266
02:21:30,910 --> 02:21:32,453
for his comeback concerts.
2267
02:21:32,662 --> 02:21:35,664
When he found out
that he was committed to 50 shows
2268
02:21:35,748 --> 02:21:38,625
and there was no way of getting out of it,
2269
02:21:38,710 --> 02:21:39,751
he snapped.
2270
02:21:40,044 --> 02:21:44,173
He felt like they'd tricked him,
he was put up against the wall
2271
02:21:44,883 --> 02:21:48,510
and let down by people, or misled, I should say.
2272
02:21:50,513 --> 02:21:54,641
It was thrown on him by his manager
2273
02:21:55,185 --> 02:22:00,397
and, in his state of mind,
he could've said yes to anything.
2274
02:22:00,565 --> 02:22:02,983
After I heard that he was doing
those many shows,
2275
02:22:03,067 --> 02:22:04,485
I started calling him, telling him...
2276
02:22:04,611 --> 02:22:07,279
Then I heard how they were gonna
do them every other day,
2277
02:22:07,363 --> 02:22:11,116
and I told him he couldn't do it that way.
He had to rest.
2278
02:22:11,201 --> 02:22:12,868
And I kept after them.
2279
02:22:16,915 --> 02:22:18,749
The wear and tear
2280
02:22:19,209 --> 02:22:20,918
of all the managers,
2281
02:22:21,336 --> 02:22:24,463
all the promises that they didn't live up to,
2282
02:22:24,631 --> 02:22:26,006
took its toll.
2283
02:22:26,966 --> 02:22:31,553
Probably, a more stronger person
would be able to fight through a lot of that,
2284
02:22:31,638 --> 02:22:33,180
and a lot of them have.
2285
02:22:33,431 --> 02:22:36,642
Frank Sinatra, he was pursued the same way,
2286
02:22:37,018 --> 02:22:39,937
but he seemed to be a person
who could put people at bay.
2287
02:22:40,230 --> 02:22:44,107
But it seemed like Michael has
a certain type of frailty to his self
2288
02:22:44,359 --> 02:22:48,028
and it wouldn't allow him
to be very strong-minded
2289
02:22:48,112 --> 02:22:50,906
or to be forceful with a lot of people.
2290
02:22:51,115 --> 02:22:54,326
Everybody he met,
he trusted them, for some reason.
2291
02:22:55,286 --> 02:23:01,583
And I think that's why Michael
was taken advantage of so much.
2292
02:23:06,089 --> 02:23:08,131
Doctors are human beings, too,
2293
02:23:08,216 --> 02:23:10,092
and they get star-struck,
2294
02:23:10,176 --> 02:23:13,679
and they want a little touch of that fame,
2295
02:23:13,763 --> 02:23:17,849
and they wanna be able to say,
"I'm Michael Jackson's doctor."
2296
02:23:18,893 --> 02:23:21,979
Michael would doctor shop,
like a lot of celebrities do,
2297
02:23:22,063 --> 02:23:24,481
and he'd find the doctor,
2298
02:23:24,607 --> 02:23:28,986
just the right one, who would do the thing
that Michael wanted him to do.
2299
02:23:29,070 --> 02:23:32,656
Michael felt that he needed to escape,
2300
02:23:32,991 --> 02:23:36,493
and he had always been suffering from insomnia,
2301
02:23:36,619 --> 02:23:39,162
from as far back as I can remember.
2302
02:23:39,455 --> 02:23:41,498
Michael Jackson did have a problem.
2303
02:23:41,583 --> 02:23:43,500
Do I believe he was an addict?
2304
02:23:43,626 --> 02:23:46,753
No, I don't believe Michael Jackson
was a drug addict.
2305
02:23:47,589 --> 02:23:49,464
He went through cycles.
2306
02:23:49,924 --> 02:23:54,845
It really depended on what was happening
in his life and in his world.
2307
02:23:55,096 --> 02:23:58,807
I had no reason to think
or believe that he was on drugs
2308
02:23:58,933 --> 02:24:02,019
until my children came to me one time
and they said it,
2309
02:24:02,103 --> 02:24:05,022
and I said,
"Well, I've never seen him in that shape."
2310
02:24:05,106 --> 02:24:08,025
Then I went to him
and ll talked to him about it,
2311
02:24:08,151 --> 02:24:10,152
and he kept denying it.
2312
02:24:13,364 --> 02:24:17,326
I asked him, I said, "Now, Michael,
is there any problems I should know about?"
2313
02:24:18,036 --> 02:24:19,328
"What do you mean?"
2314
02:24:19,454 --> 02:24:23,123
I said, "Well, you know,
once in a while you seem a little dizzy.
2315
02:24:23,207 --> 02:24:24,458
"You wanna go to rehab?"
2316
02:24:24,709 --> 02:24:29,630
"No. No! There you go. See?
Now, why would you assume that?
2317
02:24:29,714 --> 02:24:33,508
"I'm not taking anything, Frank.
I'm not doing one thing."
2318
02:24:34,385 --> 02:24:35,969
One of the people working for him said,
2319
02:24:36,054 --> 02:24:39,389
"You won't ever guess
what this man is doing to get to sleep."
2320
02:24:39,474 --> 02:24:40,557
And ll said, "What?"
2321
02:24:40,642 --> 02:24:42,976
And I was told he's using an anaesthetic.
2322
02:24:43,061 --> 02:24:45,145
And I said, "What?
2323
02:24:45,647 --> 02:24:49,399
"How do you do that?"
I had never heard of such a thing.
2324
02:24:49,567 --> 02:24:54,404
He said, "Dude, I don't know what to tell you,
but that's what's going on."
2325
02:24:54,656 --> 02:25:00,160
Unfortunately, he did find doctors
who were willing to do this crazy thing
2326
02:25:00,244 --> 02:25:02,829
that ultimately led to his death.
2327
02:25:03,873 --> 02:25:06,249
Fire Paramedic 33.
What is the nature of your emergency?
2328
02:25:06,376 --> 02:25:10,212
We have a gentleman here
that needs help, he's not breathing.
2329
02:25:10,588 --> 02:25:13,382
We have breaking news for you tonight,
2330
02:25:14,384 --> 02:25:19,012
the singer Michael Jackson
is reported to have died from a heart attack.
2331
02:25:27,397 --> 02:25:31,108
I heard that my brother had passed away
through my sister Janet,
2332
02:25:31,192 --> 02:25:32,275
Tito Jackson
MICHAEL'S BROTHER
2333
02:25:32,360 --> 02:25:35,612
who asked me to pull over
"cause I was rushing over to my mom's.
2334
02:25:37,198 --> 02:25:38,949
I just couldn't believe it.
2335
02:25:40,451 --> 02:25:45,622
So, I had to just sit in my car
and pull myself together,
2336
02:25:45,915 --> 02:25:47,874
you know, and I went over to my mom's home.
2337
02:25:50,378 --> 02:25:53,296
The entire family had met that evening,
2338
02:25:53,381 --> 02:25:58,552
and was there condoling each other, you know.
2339
02:26:00,972 --> 02:26:02,305
It was rough.
2340
02:26:02,390 --> 02:26:04,808
Just the whole time was a rough time in my life.
2341
02:26:05,560 --> 02:26:08,145
Rebbie Jackson
MICHAEL'S SISTER
2342
02:26:08,229 --> 02:26:11,815
It's so very difficult even to talk about it.
It really is.
2343
02:26:20,241 --> 02:26:21,992
I was heartbroken.
2344
02:26:22,952 --> 02:26:25,328
I was just totally heartbroken.
2345
02:26:26,581 --> 02:26:31,835
It was probably one of the most surreal
2346
02:26:31,919 --> 02:26:32,961
Peabo Bryson
SINGER
2347
02:26:33,129 --> 02:26:39,676
and solemn days of life as we know it,
I would think.
2348
02:26:45,183 --> 02:26:47,642
I was devastated. I started to cry.
2349
02:26:47,727 --> 02:26:48,810
David Gest
MICHAEL'S CLOSE FRIEND
2350
02:26:49,687 --> 02:26:55,984
We had spent 400 years of our lives
as the closest of friends.
2351
02:26:57,320 --> 02:26:59,404
And I couldn't believe it.
2352
02:26:59,822 --> 02:27:02,783
I remember the feeling I got, you know.
2353
02:27:02,867 --> 02:27:04,075
Lamont Dozier
SONGWRITER, HOLLAND-DOZIER-HOLLAND
2354
02:27:04,202 --> 02:27:06,870
It was like somebody punching you
in the stomach.
2355
02:27:07,205 --> 02:27:09,247
God, it was just so...
2356
02:27:17,048 --> 02:27:19,382
I didn't follow the news a lot.
2357
02:27:20,051 --> 02:27:22,385
I'll tell you why I didn't follow the news.
2358
02:27:22,512 --> 02:27:23,512
Eddie Floyd
SINGER & SONGWRITER, STAX RECORDS
2359
02:27:23,596 --> 02:27:29,601
It's because of the people exploiting the man.
2360
02:27:33,940 --> 02:27:35,607
That makes me sad.
2361
02:27:38,277 --> 02:27:40,612
The night that Michael died,
2362
02:27:40,738 --> 02:27:42,948
the next show I did, I mentioned Michael, too.
2363
02:27:43,074 --> 02:27:44,074
Dennis Edwards
LEAD SINGER,"THE TEMPTATIONS"
2364
02:27:44,200 --> 02:27:45,951
It just was...
2365
02:27:46,077 --> 02:27:48,328
People just stood up, you know.
They stood up.
2366
02:27:48,412 --> 02:27:51,414
And a lot of people took
their cigarette lighters out
2367
02:27:51,541 --> 02:27:52,916
and just lit it.
2368
02:27:53,292 --> 02:27:56,795
You know, it's just sad, man. It's sad.
2369
02:28:04,720 --> 02:28:06,596
It's just a sad moment,
2370
02:28:06,722 --> 02:28:11,101
to have to carry one of your brothers
to his grave.
2371
02:28:11,769 --> 02:28:16,314
We would perform all night,
tell you the truth, every day.
2372
02:28:16,607 --> 02:28:18,900
It's not a good feeling.
2373
02:28:18,985 --> 02:28:22,112
It's a major part of you died with that.
2374
02:28:24,740 --> 02:28:26,950
And there was this man's house,
who used to sell candy,
2375
02:28:27,076 --> 02:28:31,288
we used to stop there and just load up,
eat candy for days.
2376
02:28:32,915 --> 02:28:34,791
I never lost a child.
2377
02:28:36,752 --> 02:28:41,006
Children are supposed to bury their parents,
not parents bury their children.
2378
02:28:41,632 --> 02:28:44,134
And that's what hurt me the most.
2379
02:28:59,692 --> 02:29:04,487
Many days, I go back to his first cry,
2380
02:29:04,614 --> 02:29:07,782
from the doctor slapping him on his butt,
2381
02:29:07,867 --> 02:29:08,992
up till his death.
2382
02:29:10,369 --> 02:29:11,453
But
2383
02:29:16,667 --> 02:29:22,672
all the memories of Michael are fond to me.
I can't pick out any particular.
2384
02:29:31,182 --> 02:29:33,683
I'm happy with the children here,
2385
02:29:33,851 --> 02:29:37,687
and at the same time,
I'm sad because their father's gone.
2386
02:29:38,189 --> 02:29:41,524
They always say,
"Daddy did it this way.
2387
02:29:41,692 --> 02:29:44,861
"Daddy used to do this.
Daddy used to do that."
2388
02:29:46,989 --> 02:29:50,033
Those kids are so proud of their father.
2389
02:29:52,244 --> 02:29:54,204
I can't find words.
2390
02:29:57,875 --> 02:30:00,377
To me, it's just such a loss, too soon.
2391
02:30:00,503 --> 02:30:01,711
Eddie Holland
SONGWRITER, HOLLAND-DOZIER-HOLLAND
2392
02:30:04,173 --> 02:30:05,548
It left such a gap
and made us see what was missing.
2393
02:30:05,675 --> 02:30:06,675
Valerie Simpson & Nickolas Ashford
2394
02:30:06,759 --> 02:30:07,801
SINGERS & SONGWRITERS,
"ASHFORD & SIMPSON"
2395
02:30:07,885 --> 02:30:10,303
Why hadn't we embraced him?
Why hadn't we loved him?
2396
02:30:10,388 --> 02:30:13,056
He gave us so much love
2397
02:30:13,849 --> 02:30:16,101
and so much wonderful music.
2398
02:30:16,894 --> 02:30:20,397
And I think that this is what
we'll always remember him for.
2399
02:30:23,275 --> 02:30:26,695
I love the fact that everything he sang,
he sang from his heart.
2400
02:30:26,779 --> 02:30:30,740
And I love listening to him singing,
every record he's ever recorded.
2401
02:30:32,284 --> 02:30:37,247
Michael's legacy is that he will be known
as the greatest entertainer ever.
2402
02:30:38,499 --> 02:30:39,666
Michael was a great talent.
2403
02:30:39,750 --> 02:30:42,961
He was the best overall talent
that I've ever seen in my life,
2404
02:30:43,087 --> 02:30:45,255
and I've been following talent
since I was three years old.
2405
02:30:47,258 --> 02:30:48,633
He was the best I ever saw.
2406
02:30:51,429 --> 02:30:55,306
I'll remember that little boy that I met
when he was 10 years old,
2407
02:30:55,433 --> 02:30:56,433
Dionne Warwick
SINGER
2408
02:30:56,517 --> 02:31:02,480
that little feisty, cute,
incredibly talented youngster,
2409
02:31:03,149 --> 02:31:08,945
that went on to become one of the greatest
entertainers that ever lived.
2410
02:31:10,448 --> 02:31:12,115
There's only one Michael Jackson.
2411
02:31:14,952 --> 02:31:17,537
To me and my children,
2412
02:31:17,621 --> 02:31:18,705
Percy Sledge
SINGER
2413
02:31:18,789 --> 02:31:20,457
he meant so much to our lives.
2414
02:31:22,293 --> 02:31:25,795
He was, to me, the greatest entertainer
I had ever seen in my life.
2415
02:31:25,880 --> 02:31:27,130
Whitney Houston
SINGER
2416
02:31:27,214 --> 02:31:30,133
He was a gentleman and he was very kind.
2417
02:31:30,843 --> 02:31:33,303
And I'll always love him, always.
2418
02:31:35,639 --> 02:31:37,766
He was one of the warmest
2419
02:31:37,850 --> 02:31:41,394
and most loveable persons you could ever meet.
2420
02:31:43,814 --> 02:31:47,400
I think Michael's greatest achievement,
throughout his life,
2421
02:31:48,527 --> 02:31:50,612
was making people happy,
2422
02:31:50,696 --> 02:31:52,322
helping people.
2423
02:31:52,406 --> 02:31:57,202
If somebody needed an operation,
or a family starving that needed food,
2424
02:31:57,328 --> 02:32:00,538
he would send over groceries for a year
and things like that.
2425
02:32:00,873 --> 02:32:03,708
I think that's where
he really got his enjoyment,
2426
02:32:03,918 --> 02:32:07,921
seeing somebody sad become happy.
2427
02:32:08,047 --> 02:32:12,258
Those are the things he really wanted
to achieve that was beyond the music.
2428
02:32:13,260 --> 02:32:18,348
We will remember him
as this great showman and humanitarian.
2429
02:32:24,105 --> 02:32:25,271
When people say to me,
2430
02:32:25,356 --> 02:32:27,315
"Do you think of Michael
as being a tragedy?"
2431
02:32:27,399 --> 02:32:29,192
I just don't think of that at all.
2432
02:32:29,276 --> 02:32:32,529
I think that Michael's story is one of triumph.
2433
02:32:33,739 --> 02:32:38,076
This is a man who was the total embodiment
of the American dream.
2434
02:32:38,202 --> 02:32:43,373
This is a guy who came out of Gary, Indiana,
and set the world on fire.
2435
02:32:43,582 --> 02:32:45,375
He did amazing things with his life.
2436
02:32:45,584 --> 02:32:47,293
Did he make mistakes? Yes.
2437
02:32:47,419 --> 02:32:50,964
But that's the humanity of Michael Jackson,
I think, that's most appealing.
2438
02:32:51,382 --> 02:32:53,967
He wanted to make the world a better place.
2439
02:32:54,301 --> 02:32:57,470
That spirit of his is still around now.
2440
02:32:58,055 --> 02:33:03,101
The part that I loved the most about him
was that gentle friend side.
2441
02:33:03,394 --> 02:33:05,812
All the other things, everybody knows about.
2442
02:33:05,980 --> 02:33:08,648
But that part of Michael,
that's the part I love.
2443
02:33:09,233 --> 02:33:10,733
God bless Michael Jackson, you know,
"cause he was one of the greatest.
2444
02:33:10,901 --> 02:33:11,901
Kenny Gamble & Leon Huff
2445
02:33:11,986 --> 02:33:14,486
PRODUCERS & SONGWRITERS,
PHILADELPHIA INT. RECORDS
2446
02:33:15,239 --> 02:33:20,827
Michael Jackson became
the biggest pop star of all time
2447
02:33:21,745 --> 02:33:24,747
but that's not how I'm gonna remember him,
2448
02:33:24,915 --> 02:33:28,168
because he was just one great human being.
2449
02:33:29,962 --> 02:33:33,089
Rest well, my friend. I love you, M.
2450
02:33:34,425 --> 02:33:39,929
Katherine, how do you feel
Michael Jackson will be remembered?
2451
02:33:41,098 --> 02:33:45,935
Well, David, Michael practised one thing,
and it was from his heart,
2452
02:33:46,770 --> 02:33:48,938
L-O-V-E, love.
2453
02:33:49,815 --> 02:33:54,152
And I think he will be remembered
for the love that he had for the world,
2454
02:33:54,278 --> 02:33:55,945
and especially for his fans,
2455
02:33:56,697 --> 02:33:58,448
and his family.
2456
02:33:58,991 --> 02:34:00,658
- Thank you so much.
- Okay.
2457
02:34:00,784 --> 02:34:03,870
- I love you. Can I have a big hug?
- Of course.
2458
02:34:05,920 --> 02:34:20,338
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