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Now, listen to this one.
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"The way scum like you helps
people like David Koresh,
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I hope all your children
die of, uh..."
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sheesh.
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Okay. Let's stay focused here,
can we?
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Why do you insist
on reading that crap?
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In case one of these maniacs
puts a bullet in my head
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like they all say
they're gonna.
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Give the cops
a good place to start.
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Yeah, I'm not sure
they'd try too hard
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to solve a case
of the cop-killer defenders.
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- Oh, yeah.
- That's a dark thought.
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- Well...
- Shouldn't we be getting
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- security or something?
- Don't worry.
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I'll protect you from those
big mean letter writers.
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See, guys?
Nothing to worry about.
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Jocelyn's got our backs.
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Let's get back to it.
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Wait.
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- Fan mail?
- What do you think...
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- Really?
- Yeah.
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- ...about that?
-"Dear fine sirs...
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I have been very..." all caps,
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"...interested in your case
defending those Davidians.
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There are lots of people like me
watching to see how this goes.
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Thank you for being
such good patriots."
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Well, this is nice,
isn't it?
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Let's see. I'm going bankrupt.
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My wife who I haven't seen
in over a month
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just filed for divorce.
I'm living in squalor.
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I'm getting about three hours
of sleep every night
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to fight a losing case
for a bunch of people
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who don't even like me,
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but when I hear the praises
of adoring fans
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like Tim McVeigh,
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makes it all worth it,
doesn't it?
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Now, can we get back to work?
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tense music plays
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theme music plays
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You say you love America,
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but would you die for it?
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Would you kill for it?
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I mean, some things
are worth fighting for.
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I wanna talk today
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about making ourselves ready,
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emotionally steeling ourselves
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for the coming war.
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The war against White America!
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I want you to picture
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what that's gonna be like. Picture...
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the tanks rolling up our drives,
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adrenaline coursing
through your body.
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I want you to picture yourself
with your gun in your hand
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and your kids behind you.
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And I want you
to picture that again,
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and again, and again
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until it become real to you.
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So that when the time comes,
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you won't hesitate
to pull the trigger.
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Because having the nerve
to pull the trigger
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is precisely what...
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His granddaddy
founded the Nazi party.
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- No shit.
- ...protect our home...
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I'd steer clear of 'em.
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He's not the kind of guy
you wanna mess with.
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...to protect
our God-fearing way of life!
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We've heard it said
that David Koresh believed
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he was preparing,
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planning for a great war.
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Did he ever express
those beliefs
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when he purchased
these guns from you?
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I didn't deal with David,
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but I was aware
of the philosophy, yes.
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Who did you deal with?
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I dealt almost exclusively
with Paul Fatta.
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And you're referring
to defendant Fatta
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seated behind counsel over here?
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Yes.
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Did Mr. Fatta
seem knowledgeable
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when it came to guns?
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Inside and out.
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And how many guns
did Paul Fatta
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purchase from you?
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About $90,000 worth.
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Exhibit 103.
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Can you tell us what this is
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and where you found it?
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We found it in the compound,
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in the chapel.
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And what type
of weapon is this?
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It's an M-16 rifle.
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I carried one in Vietnam
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for 11 months
and seven days.
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Because it's a military weapon
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built for war?
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That's right.
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Now, Ranger Boak,
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you've testified about finding
a lot of evidence here.
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Tell me this.
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Did you also happen to locate
the building's front doors?
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No, sir.
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Help me out here.
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You were able to find
this BIC lighter
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but not two seven-foot doors?
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No.
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Why not?
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It must've burned
with the rest of the building.
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Burned? Both front doors?
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That's right.
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Uh-hmm.
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But in the months
leading up to the ATF's arrival
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at Mount Carmel,
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what did you observe
regarding their inventory?
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We observed
a dramatic increase
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in their stockpile
of weapons.
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So, they were buying guns
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but not selling them?
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Correct.
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I only have two questions.
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In your years
of observation and research,
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did the Davidians ever obtain
a weapon illegally?
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Not to my knowledge.
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Okay.
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And just one more thing.
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In your examination
of all the evidence,
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I don't reckon you saw
those pesky missing front doors,
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did you?
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Lieutenant Caldwell,
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could you tell us
what the Mag Bag was?
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The Mag Bag was
a small tract of land
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located on Farm Road
outside of Waco.
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It was where Mr. Koresh
and Mr. Fatta received shipments
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of weapons,
ammunition, gun parts.
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And had you had
any previous interactions
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with David Koresh or Paul Fatta
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that would lead you
to believe...
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- Objection! Objection! Approach?
- ...that was the possibility?
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Judge, this is
a transparent attempt
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to bring up my client,
Paul Fatta's past,
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which is
entirely out of bounds.
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It's germane
to this case, Your Honor.
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- Okay.
- Mr. Fatta and Mr. Koresh
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both have a previous charge
of conspiracy to commit murder.
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And the fact that
he and his compatriots
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tried to kill a man
in cold blood
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absolutely informed the ATF's
decision-making process...
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You mean
your decision-making process.
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...when they decided to stage a
dynamic entry into Mount Carmel.
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Paul Fatta wasn't even there
when the tanks rolled in.
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He wasn't there a single day
of the standoff.
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It doesn't matter
if he wasn't there.
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And if Mr. Johnston
wants to prove
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that there was some conspiracy,
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he should do it
with relevant evidence
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and not unfounded accusations
from the '80s.
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Mr. Fatta is
a defendant in this--
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Stop.
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I have already ruled
on this, Mr. Johnston.
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Yes, Your Honor.
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The defendant's previous charges
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are not in the purview
of this case.
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Objection sustained.
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Thank you. Thank you.
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You can't keep all
your skeletons in the closet.
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Neither can you, fucko.
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No further questions.
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Your witness.
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I only have one question.
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You wouldn't happen to know
where the front doors
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from Mount Carmel ended up,
would you?
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No? Okay.
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dramatic music plays
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Can I do for you, George?
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We're gonna settle this now.
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Settle what?
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Who's the real prophet.
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We're gonna see
who can bring her back.
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Bring who back?
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My mother.
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Your lies put her
in the ground.
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I just took her out.
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What are you talking
about, George?
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What do you mean
you took her out?
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I dug her up.
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You dug up Lois's body?
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Why would you do that?
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Whoever can raise my momma
from the dead...
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will be the next true prophet
of Mount Carmel.
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Sheriff,
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what do you mean
you can't do anything?
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George dug up
his own dead mother!
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- It's an abomination!
- Look, Vernon.
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I drove by Mount Carmel
after you called.
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I didn't see any dug-up bodies.
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George told me himself!
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Yeah, George says
a lot of crazy things.
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Unless you have actual evidence
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of corpse abuse
or some other crime,
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there's not much
that I can do.
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Maybe the best course of action
is for y'all
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to stay away from Mount Carmel.
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Just leave George Roden be.
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He's the one that called me!
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I think he's fixing
to come after us.
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Well, then you might wanna think
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about getting something
to defend yourself with.
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Mr. Cogdell. Mr. Cogdell.
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Do you think it's the doors
that prove who shot first?
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I do.
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But, but those doors
are also a symbol
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for all
the questionable behavior
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the Federal government
has taken part in.
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Listen, listen.
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The ATF shows up
with more cameras
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than a Hollywood blockbuster,
but there's no footage.
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They lose power at the morgue
so no autopsies can be done.
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Christ, they bulldozed
the whole crime scene
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and then they bleached it
for good measure.
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This is what happens
when you have the architect
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of a government raid,
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the man who demanded the ATF
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go in with a hard entry,
also prosecuting the same case.
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You saying
there's some sort
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- of government cover-up?
- No, I'm just saying
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that Bill Johnston
has a vested interest
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in convicting these people,
that's for damn sure.
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I heard you with the press
saying I'm corrupt.
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That's way out of bounds.
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It's called zealously defending
my clients.
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You can't win with the facts,
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so you're trying
to turn this thing
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into a government cover-up,
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and you're dragging my name
through the mud to do it,
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like I had
some ulterior motive.
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I sanctioned that raid
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because I was trying
to save those kids.
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Save those kids
with a forcible entry?
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I'm doing my job
the best way I know how.
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Now, you don't agree
with it? Fine.
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But let's fight fair, Dan.
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You want me to fight fair?
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You've got the public,
the press,
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and the United States government
behind you.
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And all I've got is a booth
at the Polo Lounge.
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I'm not gonna play with one-hand
tied behind my back.
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You want me to shut up?
Find those doors.
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tense music plays
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Listen, when the prosecutor
starts picking fights
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with you in the hall, it means
you're doing something right.
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Hmm.
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Yeah, yeah, except...
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Except what?
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You've been watching
the forewoman?
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Um...
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juror number six?
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She's the poison juror.
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I can just tell.
She's itching to say the G-word.
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Yeah. Well, that's why
we have 11 more
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because all you need is one.
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Jocelyn, you'd acquit
our clients, wouldn't you?
261
00:12:51,771 --> 00:12:53,481
Hell no.
262
00:12:53,481 --> 00:12:54,941
They're guilty as shit.
263
00:12:54,940 --> 00:12:56,570
Just like their defense lawyers.
264
00:12:56,567 --> 00:12:58,607
Ow. Ow.
265
00:12:58,611 --> 00:13:00,741
Number six, she's the top dog.
266
00:13:00,738 --> 00:13:02,448
- She could sway the rest.
- Listen, don't--
267
00:13:02,448 --> 00:13:04,908
don't worry about number six.
I'm gonna focus on her.
268
00:13:04,909 --> 00:13:06,289
I'm gonna make her feel
like the prettiest,
269
00:13:06,285 --> 00:13:07,785
most special juror in the world.
270
00:13:09,121 --> 00:13:10,791
Ask Jocelyn
if I can't sweet-talk
271
00:13:10,790 --> 00:13:12,080
the legs off a chair.
272
00:13:12,082 --> 00:13:13,422
Dan, if you were half as charming
273
00:13:13,417 --> 00:13:14,667
as you think you are,
274
00:13:14,668 --> 00:13:15,958
you'd be
the best lawyer on earth.
275
00:13:15,961 --> 00:13:17,511
Ooh.
276
00:13:17,505 --> 00:13:19,005
Is that flirting?
Is she flirting?
277
00:13:19,006 --> 00:13:21,756
- No, that is not---
- Jesus, Gordon!
278
00:13:21,759 --> 00:13:24,139
God. God!
I gotta put a bell on you.
279
00:13:24,136 --> 00:13:25,806
Think I may have
an answer for you
280
00:13:25,805 --> 00:13:28,925
on those front doors.
281
00:13:28,933 --> 00:13:33,313
Whoa.
Is this Mount Carmel?
282
00:13:33,312 --> 00:13:35,312
What is this, Gordon?
What am I looking at here?
283
00:13:35,314 --> 00:13:38,034
This was taken
at 3:55 p.m.,
284
00:13:38,025 --> 00:13:40,945
a couple hours
after the fire started.
285
00:13:40,945 --> 00:13:44,105
And these are FBI agents
286
00:13:44,114 --> 00:13:46,664
loading something into a truck.
287
00:13:46,659 --> 00:13:48,489
Something about the size
and shape of a door.
288
00:13:48,494 --> 00:13:50,504
Yeah, which was
so daggone important
289
00:13:50,496 --> 00:13:51,996
that they had to grab it
290
00:13:51,997 --> 00:13:53,957
while the building
was still smoldering.
291
00:13:56,877 --> 00:13:58,207
You crazy son of a bitch.
292
00:13:58,212 --> 00:13:59,842
- This is it.
- That's it.
293
00:14:00,297 --> 00:14:01,967
You think
these are the front doors
294
00:14:01,966 --> 00:14:03,006
being loaded into this truck?
295
00:14:03,008 --> 00:14:04,468
I do, Your Honor.
296
00:14:04,468 --> 00:14:06,298
This is absurd.
297
00:14:06,303 --> 00:14:07,853
That's not real evidence.
298
00:14:07,847 --> 00:14:09,717
You can hardly see anything
in that photo.
299
00:14:09,723 --> 00:14:10,853
I could say
they're loading Bigfoot
300
00:14:10,850 --> 00:14:12,310
into the back of that truck.
301
00:14:12,309 --> 00:14:13,689
- It's pretty blurry, Counselor.
- Well,
302
00:14:13,686 --> 00:14:15,306
uh, either way,
the fact that the FBI
303
00:14:15,312 --> 00:14:16,812
was loading anything
into the back of a U-Haul
304
00:14:16,814 --> 00:14:18,484
while a building
is still smoldering
305
00:14:18,482 --> 00:14:20,532
is information the jury
deserves to know.
306
00:14:20,526 --> 00:14:23,526
Your Honor, the defense
has obtained a blurry photo
307
00:14:23,529 --> 00:14:26,199
from a conspiracy theorist
who got it from who-knows-where.
308
00:14:26,198 --> 00:14:27,868
How do you know
where I got it from?
309
00:14:27,867 --> 00:14:30,237
It wasn't in discovery.
310
00:14:30,244 --> 00:14:33,084
Are you spying on me?
311
00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:34,420
- Judge?
- Cogdell,
312
00:14:34,415 --> 00:14:35,705
get ahold of yourself.
313
00:14:35,708 --> 00:14:37,418
Besides,
314
00:14:37,418 --> 00:14:39,248
we have our own evidence
we'd like to submit
315
00:14:39,253 --> 00:14:41,343
which will address
these ridiculous claims.
316
00:14:41,338 --> 00:14:42,588
And what's that?
317
00:14:42,590 --> 00:14:44,090
We found the door,
Your Honor.
318
00:14:44,091 --> 00:14:45,261
The door? What door?
319
00:14:45,259 --> 00:14:46,719
- What door?
- Yeah.
320
00:14:46,719 --> 00:14:48,549
The one you've been asking
about non-stop.
321
00:14:48,554 --> 00:14:51,524
The one you claim is gonna flip
this whole case on its head.
322
00:14:51,515 --> 00:14:53,725
We're bringing it in.
323
00:14:53,726 --> 00:14:55,266
Should put your concerns
to rest.
324
00:14:56,562 --> 00:14:59,612
dramatic music plays
325
00:15:05,613 --> 00:15:07,573
May it please the Court,
326
00:15:07,573 --> 00:15:09,033
the government
would like to offer
327
00:15:09,033 --> 00:15:12,083
Government Exhibit Number 728.
328
00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:15,120
Jesus, what a showman.
329
00:15:15,122 --> 00:15:17,122
You hear
what he said earlier?
330
00:15:17,124 --> 00:15:20,254
That a conspiracy theorist
gave us the photo?
331
00:15:20,252 --> 00:15:22,592
Do you think they've got
the Polo Lounge bugged?
332
00:15:22,588 --> 00:15:24,918
We found the door in Sector F,
333
00:15:24,924 --> 00:15:28,094
approximately 40 feet
away from the building.
334
00:15:28,093 --> 00:15:30,433
And did you realize
it was the front door?
335
00:15:30,429 --> 00:15:31,599
No, sir.
336
00:15:31,597 --> 00:15:33,057
It was located so far away
337
00:15:33,057 --> 00:15:34,477
from the front of the building
338
00:15:34,475 --> 00:15:37,475
we classified it
as a piece of scrap metal.
339
00:15:37,478 --> 00:15:39,438
And when did you come to realize
340
00:15:39,438 --> 00:15:41,148
that it was the front door?
341
00:15:41,148 --> 00:15:43,778
When we re-canvassed
the evidence warehouse yesterday
342
00:15:43,776 --> 00:15:46,066
at your urging
and found it.
343
00:15:46,070 --> 00:15:49,110
Now, does this door
344
00:15:49,114 --> 00:15:51,744
appear to have
any bullet holes in it?
345
00:15:51,742 --> 00:15:53,082
No, sir.
346
00:15:53,410 --> 00:15:55,960
So there is nothing here
347
00:15:55,955 --> 00:15:58,785
that contradicts any
of the earlier ATF testimony
348
00:15:58,791 --> 00:16:01,791
stating that the Davidians
fired first?
349
00:16:01,794 --> 00:16:04,424
No.
350
00:16:04,421 --> 00:16:06,801
Were you aware
that the cult compound
351
00:16:06,799 --> 00:16:08,339
- originally had two front doors?
- Yes.
352
00:16:08,342 --> 00:16:09,972
We re-canvassed
for that one as well,
353
00:16:09,969 --> 00:16:12,969
but didn't find it,
which wasn't surprising.
354
00:16:14,139 --> 00:16:15,309
Why not?
355
00:16:15,724 --> 00:16:17,604
It was still attached
to the building.
356
00:16:17,601 --> 00:16:20,101
It melted
when the building burned.
357
00:16:20,104 --> 00:16:21,614
Objection. Speculation.
358
00:16:21,605 --> 00:16:22,815
The witness has
no first-hand knowledge
359
00:16:22,815 --> 00:16:24,815
that the other door melted.
360
00:16:24,817 --> 00:16:27,277
Uh-hmm. Sustained.
361
00:16:27,277 --> 00:16:28,317
All right.
362
00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:30,030
Ranger Boak,
363
00:16:30,030 --> 00:16:33,160
why do you believe
the other front door melted?
364
00:16:33,158 --> 00:16:36,498
Because the doors
were aluminum with foam cores.
365
00:16:36,495 --> 00:16:37,955
And it was subjected
to temperatures
366
00:16:37,955 --> 00:16:40,165
in excess
of 1300 degrees Fahrenheit
367
00:16:40,165 --> 00:16:41,705
during the fire.
368
00:16:41,709 --> 00:16:44,129
Aluminum melts at 1200.
369
00:16:44,128 --> 00:16:46,708
And why didn't this door melt?
370
00:16:47,881 --> 00:16:49,011
You see those marks?
371
00:16:50,718 --> 00:16:52,638
They're from
the treads of a tank.
372
00:16:53,053 --> 00:16:55,563
And when the tanks penetrated
the compound entryway,
373
00:16:55,556 --> 00:16:57,676
we believe the door
got caught in the treads
374
00:16:57,683 --> 00:16:59,813
and was dragged
to the place that we found it.
375
00:16:59,810 --> 00:17:01,350
Well clear of the fire.
376
00:17:01,353 --> 00:17:02,813
Could you go
get something for me?
377
00:17:02,813 --> 00:17:04,733
Now, Ranger Boak,
378
00:17:04,732 --> 00:17:09,072
you didn't realize
that this was a door initially.
379
00:17:10,237 --> 00:17:13,027
Is that common,
to miscategorize evidence?
380
00:17:13,032 --> 00:17:16,042
It's not common but it happens,
381
00:17:16,035 --> 00:17:18,745
particularly if there's
a large volume of evidence.
382
00:17:18,746 --> 00:17:23,376
Final question,
were you and the Texas Rangers
383
00:17:23,375 --> 00:17:25,705
part of a massive conspiracy
384
00:17:25,711 --> 00:17:29,211
headed by the Federal government
to hide this door?
385
00:17:32,092 --> 00:17:33,842
I reckon not, sir.
386
00:17:37,097 --> 00:17:38,387
No further questions.
387
00:17:40,476 --> 00:17:42,386
Sheriff said
we needed proof of, um,
388
00:17:43,479 --> 00:17:45,769
what'd he call it?
389
00:17:45,773 --> 00:17:47,523
- Corpse abuse.
- Corpse abuse
390
00:17:47,524 --> 00:17:49,744
in order to do
anything about it.
391
00:17:49,735 --> 00:17:51,735
Well...
392
00:17:51,737 --> 00:17:53,527
what if we gave him some proof?
393
00:17:55,282 --> 00:17:56,582
Like a picture?
394
00:17:57,201 --> 00:18:00,951
We can't just go to Mount Carmel
and snap a picture.
395
00:18:02,456 --> 00:18:04,246
George carries around an Uzi.
396
00:18:04,249 --> 00:18:05,539
He's...
397
00:18:05,542 --> 00:18:07,882
He's crazy.
398
00:18:07,878 --> 00:18:09,378
I mean,
you heard the Sheriff,
399
00:18:09,379 --> 00:18:11,419
he said we might need
to arm ourselves.
400
00:18:12,841 --> 00:18:14,301
So what if we did?
401
00:18:14,301 --> 00:18:15,591
All right.
402
00:18:15,594 --> 00:18:17,934
We'll take, uh,
five of the Rugers
403
00:18:17,930 --> 00:18:21,230
and, uh, throw in
some of them camo suits too.
404
00:18:21,225 --> 00:18:22,305
You got it.
405
00:18:39,201 --> 00:18:40,291
We're here.
406
00:18:47,626 --> 00:18:49,956
All right.
407
00:18:49,962 --> 00:18:52,462
Everybody stay quiet
and stay close.
408
00:18:52,464 --> 00:18:54,934
We're just getting a few photos
and then getting out.
409
00:18:54,925 --> 00:18:56,085
All right?
410
00:18:56,093 --> 00:18:59,813
tense music plays
411
00:19:04,184 --> 00:19:05,644
Okay. Come on.
412
00:20:02,367 --> 00:20:03,697
Vernon!
413
00:20:03,702 --> 00:20:06,042
suspenseful music plays
414
00:20:06,038 --> 00:20:06,998
No. No, George.
415
00:20:11,043 --> 00:20:12,543
Go, go, go!
416
00:20:12,544 --> 00:20:14,384
You're trespassing!
417
00:20:14,379 --> 00:20:16,049
Sneaking around my property!
418
00:20:18,050 --> 00:20:20,890
suspenseful music plays
419
00:20:55,337 --> 00:20:56,587
George, no!
420
00:20:56,588 --> 00:20:57,758
Ah!
421
00:20:57,756 --> 00:20:59,586
Oh! Oh!
422
00:21:02,636 --> 00:21:04,096
You all right?
423
00:21:04,096 --> 00:21:05,756
Guess you got to learn
how to shoot.
424
00:21:05,764 --> 00:21:07,984
Won't be the last time
we got to defend ourselves.
425
00:21:09,935 --> 00:21:12,975
suspenseful music plays
426
00:21:20,487 --> 00:21:21,607
Beast is coming.
427
00:21:28,370 --> 00:21:29,790
Drop your weapons!
428
00:21:30,831 --> 00:21:32,671
On the ground!
429
00:21:46,054 --> 00:21:49,644
ATF agents testified
430
00:21:49,641 --> 00:21:52,191
that the Davidians shot first
431
00:21:52,185 --> 00:21:54,475
and that those shots...
432
00:21:54,479 --> 00:21:58,029
went through the front doors.
433
00:21:58,025 --> 00:22:00,815
But the Davidians have stated
that it was the ATF
434
00:22:00,819 --> 00:22:03,859
who shot at them
through those same doors.
435
00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:08,450
But this door has
no bullet holes in it, correct?
436
00:22:08,452 --> 00:22:10,162
Not that I see.
437
00:22:10,162 --> 00:22:12,332
So it must be the other door,
the still-missing door,
438
00:22:12,331 --> 00:22:14,331
that was shot through
and it would be the other door
439
00:22:14,333 --> 00:22:18,003
that would prove which side
was telling the truth.
440
00:22:18,879 --> 00:22:21,129
Yes. It-- it appears that way.
441
00:22:23,175 --> 00:22:25,795
Well, that's bad luck, isn't it?
442
00:22:28,722 --> 00:22:30,352
Uh, a moment, Judge.
443
00:22:34,186 --> 00:22:36,356
- Oh... shit.
- That's all I could find.
444
00:22:37,397 --> 00:22:40,027
So, you believe
the other door melted.
445
00:22:40,025 --> 00:22:41,225
- Yes.
- Because it was made
446
00:22:41,234 --> 00:22:42,364
of aluminum.
447
00:22:43,779 --> 00:22:45,159
That's what I said.
448
00:22:45,155 --> 00:22:48,195
And those guns
right there didn't melt
449
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:49,660
because they're made of steel,
450
00:22:49,659 --> 00:22:51,369
which has a much higher
melting point?
451
00:22:51,370 --> 00:22:53,870
Yes.
452
00:22:53,872 --> 00:22:56,172
So if the other door
was made of steel,
453
00:22:56,166 --> 00:22:57,666
would it have melted?
454
00:22:58,877 --> 00:23:00,207
No.
455
00:23:00,754 --> 00:23:03,724
Yet that door
seems awfully heavy.
456
00:23:04,966 --> 00:23:07,386
Well, I mean, my daddy
was a contractor.
457
00:23:07,386 --> 00:23:09,846
Uh, I'd help him demo houses.
458
00:23:09,846 --> 00:23:11,426
We pulled down
a lot of aluminum doors.
459
00:23:11,431 --> 00:23:13,601
I could carry one
under one arm.
460
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,520
Sure didn't take three men
to pick one up.
461
00:23:17,604 --> 00:23:19,404
I--I couldn't speak to that.
462
00:23:19,398 --> 00:23:22,358
Well, then let me
ask you this, Ranger Boak.
463
00:23:24,403 --> 00:23:25,863
Is aluminum magnetic?
464
00:23:25,862 --> 00:23:27,572
Objection!
465
00:23:27,572 --> 00:23:31,202
Ranger Boak is a lay witness,
not a metals expert.
466
00:23:31,201 --> 00:23:33,451
I'll allow it.
467
00:23:33,453 --> 00:23:35,583
No, it's not magnetic.
468
00:23:35,580 --> 00:23:37,920
How about steel?
469
00:23:37,916 --> 00:23:40,086
I believe so, yes.
470
00:23:40,085 --> 00:23:41,915
So this refrigerator magnet,
471
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:43,920
would it stick to aluminum?
472
00:23:45,465 --> 00:23:47,875
Um, no, it--it wouldn't.
473
00:23:47,884 --> 00:23:50,974
tense music plays
474
00:24:17,664 --> 00:24:20,334
Do you still believe
this door is made of aluminum?
475
00:24:25,213 --> 00:24:28,633
No, sir, it looks
to be made of steel.
476
00:24:28,967 --> 00:24:30,967
And if this door
is made of steel,
477
00:24:30,969 --> 00:24:32,969
wouldn't it stand to reason
that the other door
478
00:24:32,971 --> 00:24:36,601
it was attached to
was also made of steel?
479
00:24:41,146 --> 00:24:43,646
The witness needs
to respond verbally.
480
00:24:45,859 --> 00:24:46,989
Yes.
481
00:24:48,028 --> 00:24:49,988
So then, Ranger Boak,
482
00:24:49,988 --> 00:24:51,698
I'll ask you again...
483
00:24:53,533 --> 00:24:55,493
where is the missing door?
484
00:25:31,571 --> 00:25:32,821
Oh, hey.
485
00:25:32,822 --> 00:25:34,872
Do you--do you need
the phone?
486
00:25:34,866 --> 00:25:36,696
Because I can wait,
it's not urgent.
487
00:25:36,701 --> 00:25:37,991
Hello?
488
00:25:40,539 --> 00:25:41,709
No, go ahead.
489
00:25:43,416 --> 00:25:46,336
Hello? Hello?
490
00:25:46,336 --> 00:25:47,746
Hey, Daddy.
491
00:25:47,754 --> 00:25:49,214
Oh, Carol.
492
00:25:49,214 --> 00:25:50,724
Oh, it's so good
to hear from you.
493
00:25:50,715 --> 00:25:52,875
- Are you safe?
- Yeah, yeah.
494
00:25:52,884 --> 00:25:54,514
I, I just wanted you
to know that,
495
00:25:54,511 --> 00:25:56,391
that I made it
to my friend's place okay.
496
00:25:56,388 --> 00:25:58,718
You know, I didn't--
I didn't want you to worry.
497
00:25:58,932 --> 00:26:02,272
Yeah, that's good to hear
because I was worried.
498
00:26:02,269 --> 00:26:04,229
Your mom
and I were both worried.
499
00:26:05,772 --> 00:26:07,612
When do you think
we'll see you again?
500
00:26:07,607 --> 00:26:09,357
Uh, it's hard to say,
you know,
501
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:11,239
but I--but I should go
because there's someone
502
00:26:11,236 --> 00:26:12,856
waiting on the phone,
so I, you know,
503
00:26:12,862 --> 00:26:14,702
I just didn't want you
to think I got lost.
504
00:26:14,698 --> 00:26:16,448
Well, hey,
thanks for calling.
505
00:26:16,449 --> 00:26:17,739
You called...
506
00:26:17,742 --> 00:26:19,742
Hmm.
507
00:26:22,998 --> 00:26:25,128
Ah, that was Carol.
508
00:26:25,125 --> 00:26:26,785
She's still in play.
509
00:26:26,793 --> 00:26:29,963
You sure she's just not looking
to get more candy money?
510
00:26:32,465 --> 00:26:33,585
What's your name?
511
00:26:33,592 --> 00:26:35,262
I don't know you.
512
00:26:35,260 --> 00:26:38,260
Woo. Good girl.
You taught her well.
513
00:26:38,263 --> 00:26:41,393
Okay, kiddo,
we're gonna get you to daycare.
514
00:26:44,144 --> 00:26:47,814
Government has charged
my clients with conspiracy.
515
00:26:47,814 --> 00:26:51,444
They claim that Paul Fatta
was a blood merchant,
516
00:26:51,443 --> 00:26:54,073
the architect
of some violent plot
517
00:26:54,070 --> 00:26:57,280
when he was just a man
trying to run a business.
518
00:26:57,282 --> 00:26:59,782
But after what we saw today
I can't help but wonder
519
00:26:59,784 --> 00:27:01,914
if it's the government
who shouldn't be answering
520
00:27:01,911 --> 00:27:03,121
for their actions,
521
00:27:03,705 --> 00:27:06,325
if it's the government
who is conspiring against
522
00:27:06,333 --> 00:27:09,593
my clients,
whose only crime was leading
523
00:27:09,586 --> 00:27:12,256
a life the government
didn't agree with.
524
00:27:14,674 --> 00:27:18,144
And now that same government
refuses to take responsibility
525
00:27:18,136 --> 00:27:20,136
for its actions,
and in fact is willing to do
526
00:27:20,138 --> 00:27:23,098
whatever it takes
to cover it up,
527
00:27:23,099 --> 00:27:26,479
even if it means
hurting innocent people.
528
00:27:26,478 --> 00:27:30,148
But that malfeasance,
that arrogance
529
00:27:30,148 --> 00:27:32,858
has dangerous consequences
530
00:27:32,859 --> 00:27:34,029
for my clients
531
00:27:34,027 --> 00:27:35,947
and for the rest
of this country.
532
00:27:36,738 --> 00:27:38,448
Lori Rae?
533
00:27:38,448 --> 00:27:39,658
You're on the Waco jury, right?
534
00:27:39,658 --> 00:27:40,778
What?
535
00:27:40,784 --> 00:27:44,204
No, I don't wanna talk.
536
00:27:44,204 --> 00:27:46,004
The Constitution
of the United States
537
00:27:45,997 --> 00:27:47,707
gives jurors great powers.
538
00:27:49,376 --> 00:27:51,166
I'm here to inform you
of your choices.
539
00:27:56,549 --> 00:27:58,339
Please, leave!
540
00:27:58,343 --> 00:27:59,973
Please!
541
00:28:04,724 --> 00:28:06,144
I'm calling the police!
542
00:28:06,142 --> 00:28:08,402
You can make the right choice.
543
00:28:08,395 --> 00:28:10,185
Please!
544
00:28:10,188 --> 00:28:13,318
suspenseful music plays
545
00:28:35,213 --> 00:28:37,053
Before we get started,
I wanna make you all aware
546
00:28:37,048 --> 00:28:38,548
of something,
547
00:28:38,550 --> 00:28:40,220
five of our jurors
had letters delivered
548
00:28:40,218 --> 00:28:43,888
to their homes this weekend
by a group called FIJA,
549
00:28:43,888 --> 00:28:47,348
the Fully Informed
Jury Association.
550
00:28:47,350 --> 00:28:49,060
Pamphlets claim
551
00:28:49,060 --> 00:28:50,850
the rules of the court
don't apply to the jury
552
00:28:50,854 --> 00:28:53,574
and they can make up
whatever verdict they see fit.
553
00:28:53,565 --> 00:28:55,065
- To the jurors' homes?
- Yes.
554
00:28:55,066 --> 00:28:57,856
One of the jurors,
juror number six,
555
00:28:57,861 --> 00:28:59,901
said she
was practically accosted.
556
00:28:59,904 --> 00:29:02,034
She's pretty shaken up
about it.
557
00:29:04,784 --> 00:29:07,584
Any of you all familiar
with this group?
558
00:29:07,579 --> 00:29:08,959
Are you asking us, Your Honor?
559
00:29:08,955 --> 00:29:10,415
I'm asking everyone.
560
00:29:10,415 --> 00:29:12,245
It just seems like
the implication
561
00:29:12,250 --> 00:29:14,750
is that the defense
might benefit from this.
562
00:29:14,753 --> 00:29:16,213
I think you're reading
into my question.
563
00:29:16,212 --> 00:29:18,092
I'm not implying anything, counselor.
564
00:29:18,089 --> 00:29:21,259
I'm just concerned
that if-if the jury thinks
565
00:29:21,259 --> 00:29:22,759
these people
are aligned with--
566
00:29:22,761 --> 00:29:24,431
I will tell the jury
they have nothing to do
567
00:29:24,429 --> 00:29:26,099
with anyone involved
in the trial.
568
00:29:26,097 --> 00:29:27,967
That would be much appreciated.
Thank you.
569
00:29:27,974 --> 00:29:30,734
So long as they believe
they can remain impartial.
570
00:29:30,727 --> 00:29:33,437
- Let's get started.
- Thank you.
571
00:29:48,661 --> 00:29:50,081
Your Honor,
the government calls
572
00:29:50,079 --> 00:29:52,119
Kathy Schroeder to the stand.
573
00:29:59,297 --> 00:30:01,837
So you were a member
of this group,
574
00:30:01,841 --> 00:30:03,431
a Branch Davidian?
575
00:30:03,802 --> 00:30:06,812
I was. Yes.
576
00:30:06,805 --> 00:30:08,635
This must be
very hard for you
577
00:30:09,057 --> 00:30:11,477
to testify
against your own people.
578
00:30:12,644 --> 00:30:14,984
Yeah, it is.
579
00:30:14,979 --> 00:30:18,819
When the ATF arrived
on February 28th
580
00:30:18,817 --> 00:30:21,147
to serve their warrant,
581
00:30:21,152 --> 00:30:22,952
and a gunfight erupted,
582
00:30:22,946 --> 00:30:25,696
were you tasked
with any kind of job?
583
00:30:25,698 --> 00:30:26,988
Yes.
584
00:30:28,535 --> 00:30:30,495
I was the one
who made sure that everybody
585
00:30:30,495 --> 00:30:32,865
had a gun
and made sure that everybody
586
00:30:32,872 --> 00:30:35,462
had the right ammunition
to go with it.
587
00:30:35,458 --> 00:30:36,878
- No! They're gonna kill you.
- Why?
588
00:30:36,876 --> 00:30:38,206
- I don't care!
- Give me that gun!
589
00:30:38,211 --> 00:30:40,211
Give me that gun!
590
00:30:40,213 --> 00:30:43,173
And why were you
entrusted with this job?
591
00:30:43,174 --> 00:30:44,724
I'd been in the Air Force.
592
00:30:44,926 --> 00:30:47,676
So it was like
a military exercise?
593
00:30:48,054 --> 00:30:50,184
It was something
we'd trained for.
594
00:30:50,181 --> 00:30:52,521
And the people
that you were passing out
595
00:30:52,517 --> 00:30:55,137
these weapons to,
did they take them
596
00:30:55,144 --> 00:30:57,694
- with the intent to use them?
- Objection. Speculation.
597
00:30:57,689 --> 00:30:59,689
I'll rephrase.
598
00:30:59,691 --> 00:31:02,361
Was it your understanding
that the weapons would be used?
599
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,030
Absolutely.
600
00:31:04,028 --> 00:31:05,988
And are some of the people
that you passed out
601
00:31:05,989 --> 00:31:08,529
these weapons to here today?
602
00:31:09,742 --> 00:31:11,162
Yes.
603
00:31:11,369 --> 00:31:13,539
Let's get specific.
604
00:31:13,538 --> 00:31:15,038
During the raid,
605
00:31:15,039 --> 00:31:19,339
did you have any contact
with Ruth Riddle?
606
00:31:19,335 --> 00:31:22,415
I gave Ruth
a gun and nine mags.
607
00:31:22,422 --> 00:31:24,722
Can you identify
Ruth Riddle?
608
00:31:27,886 --> 00:31:29,386
I'm sorry, Ruth.
609
00:31:29,721 --> 00:31:32,021
Let the record show
that Mrs. Schroeder
610
00:31:32,015 --> 00:31:34,015
has identified Ruth Riddle.
611
00:31:36,269 --> 00:31:38,019
What contact did you have
with Clive Doyle
612
00:31:38,021 --> 00:31:39,521
concerning firearms?
613
00:31:40,940 --> 00:31:43,280
I gave Clive the .308.
614
00:31:43,276 --> 00:31:45,736
Can you identify
Clive Doyle?
615
00:31:49,282 --> 00:31:52,952
Did you have any contact
with Livingstone Fagan
616
00:31:52,952 --> 00:31:54,752
concerning firearms?
617
00:31:54,746 --> 00:31:56,706
Livingstone
was already carrying an AK,
618
00:31:56,706 --> 00:31:58,916
so I just made sure he had ammo.
619
00:31:58,917 --> 00:32:01,877
Did you have any contact
with Paul Fatta
620
00:32:01,878 --> 00:32:03,918
concerning firearms?
621
00:32:03,922 --> 00:32:05,592
Not on the day
of the raid,
622
00:32:05,882 --> 00:32:08,262
but he purchased the guns.
623
00:32:10,678 --> 00:32:13,098
So David Koresh
624
00:32:13,097 --> 00:32:15,927
instructed you to hand out
625
00:32:15,934 --> 00:32:18,564
the weapons Paul Fatta purchased
626
00:32:18,770 --> 00:32:21,110
to these defendants?
627
00:32:21,105 --> 00:32:22,105
Yes.
628
00:32:22,649 --> 00:32:26,439
We all had guns.
You get it? We all had guns.
629
00:32:26,444 --> 00:32:30,114
We all--we all knew
what was coming.
630
00:32:30,114 --> 00:32:32,454
David always said,
"If you can't kill for God,
631
00:32:32,450 --> 00:32:34,410
you can't die for God."
632
00:32:34,911 --> 00:32:37,911
And was David Koresh
willing to die?
633
00:32:37,914 --> 00:32:39,834
Of course.
634
00:32:39,832 --> 00:32:41,252
We all were.
635
00:32:42,543 --> 00:32:44,803
We were the army of God.
636
00:32:48,675 --> 00:32:49,965
Even, even David's name,
637
00:32:49,968 --> 00:32:51,428
David Koresh,
638
00:32:51,427 --> 00:32:53,757
that means "Beloved Death."
639
00:32:57,141 --> 00:33:00,141
So... when David Koresh
640
00:33:00,144 --> 00:33:04,154
believed he was dying
from his gunshot wounds,
641
00:33:04,148 --> 00:33:07,148
was there a plan
in case he died?
642
00:33:09,404 --> 00:33:10,824
We were supposed to carry David
643
00:33:10,822 --> 00:33:14,122
out the front door
on a stretcher.
644
00:33:17,203 --> 00:33:19,163
If he wasn't dead yet,
645
00:33:19,664 --> 00:33:22,504
we were gonna shoot him
in the head.
646
00:33:22,834 --> 00:33:27,304
And then we were supposed
to open fire on the FBI agents.
647
00:33:28,923 --> 00:33:31,553
And why
would you want to do that?
648
00:33:37,015 --> 00:33:39,135
To-to-to...
649
00:33:41,102 --> 00:33:43,562
to draw their fire.
650
00:33:45,064 --> 00:33:46,864
So they'd kill us all.
651
00:33:51,279 --> 00:33:54,529
See, you had to know
the real David.
652
00:33:54,782 --> 00:33:57,202
He was never gonna surrender.
653
00:33:59,912 --> 00:34:02,372
Sorry.
654
00:34:02,373 --> 00:34:04,883
He was never gonna let us go.
655
00:34:07,754 --> 00:34:09,924
And how
did you know that?
656
00:34:10,882 --> 00:34:12,222
Because...
657
00:34:13,634 --> 00:34:15,764
he'd conditioned us.
658
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:21,350
Oh, he did.
659
00:34:25,772 --> 00:34:28,442
He conditioned us for years
660
00:34:28,441 --> 00:34:30,401
to believe
that we were headed
661
00:34:30,401 --> 00:34:33,401
for an armed showdown
with the--
662
00:34:33,404 --> 00:34:36,244
with the forces of the Beast.
663
00:34:36,240 --> 00:34:38,080
The Beast?
664
00:34:38,076 --> 00:34:40,076
From the Book of Revelation.
665
00:34:40,078 --> 00:34:42,078
So,
666
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,540
when the ATF arrived
at your door,
667
00:34:45,541 --> 00:34:48,091
you believed
they were those forces?
668
00:34:48,086 --> 00:34:50,376
And you were ready
for battle.
669
00:34:53,966 --> 00:34:55,256
Yeah, we were.
670
00:34:57,929 --> 00:35:00,469
And you were conditioned
to believe
671
00:35:01,015 --> 00:35:04,725
that it would be a battle
to the death?
672
00:35:06,813 --> 00:35:07,943
Yes.
673
00:35:08,231 --> 00:35:12,741
So, no matter
what the government did,
674
00:35:12,735 --> 00:35:16,405
no matter how many chances
they gave the Branch Davidians
675
00:35:16,405 --> 00:35:17,945
to come out of Mount Carmel,
676
00:35:19,325 --> 00:35:21,115
you weren't coming out alive?
677
00:35:26,999 --> 00:35:28,499
No.
678
00:35:28,501 --> 00:35:31,631
dramatic music plays
679
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:42,350
It's not too late,
you know.
680
00:35:43,683 --> 00:35:45,643
We could pick a different place.
681
00:35:46,310 --> 00:35:49,310
Bet most of those kids
never even heard of Waco.
682
00:35:52,066 --> 00:35:53,936
We kill a bunch of kids,
683
00:35:54,277 --> 00:35:57,317
who's to say
we're any better than the ATF?
684
00:35:59,157 --> 00:36:01,827
Yeah. Hello?
685
00:36:01,826 --> 00:36:03,946
Gary, Sanborn here.
686
00:36:03,953 --> 00:36:05,833
Oh hey, Alan, what's up?
687
00:36:05,830 --> 00:36:08,330
I need you on a plane
in a couple hours.
688
00:36:08,332 --> 00:36:11,462
I passed off the negotiations
team to Hendricks.
689
00:36:11,460 --> 00:36:13,670
It's not a negotiation.
690
00:36:13,671 --> 00:36:16,341
I need you in Texas ASAP.
691
00:36:16,340 --> 00:36:19,840
You're being called to testify
in the Waco trial tomorrow.
692
00:36:22,013 --> 00:36:24,523
What? The...
693
00:36:24,515 --> 00:36:27,515
the prosecution
wants me to testify?
694
00:36:27,518 --> 00:36:29,688
No, the defense does.
695
00:36:30,062 --> 00:36:33,482
- The defense? Why?
- I don't know.
696
00:36:33,482 --> 00:36:36,072
Maybe they caught wind
of your little meltdown
697
00:36:36,068 --> 00:36:37,988
with the DOJ,
where you said Waco
698
00:36:37,987 --> 00:36:39,567
was all the government's fault.
699
00:36:39,572 --> 00:36:40,872
That's not what I said.
700
00:36:40,865 --> 00:36:42,695
Well, either way,
701
00:36:42,700 --> 00:36:45,160
they want you
on the stand tomorrow.
702
00:36:45,161 --> 00:36:48,581
Jesus. No, I--no, no.
703
00:36:48,581 --> 00:36:50,211
I don't have time
for that, Alan.
704
00:36:50,208 --> 00:36:51,878
Can you make it go away?
705
00:36:51,876 --> 00:36:53,166
No, I cannot.
It's a Federal subpoena.
706
00:36:53,169 --> 00:36:56,049
I-- This is bad timing, Alan.
707
00:36:56,047 --> 00:36:58,837
I just got
a CI into Elohim City.
708
00:36:58,841 --> 00:37:00,261
What?
709
00:37:01,385 --> 00:37:03,045
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
710
00:37:03,054 --> 00:37:05,564
Who the hell gave you clearance
to send a CI in there?
711
00:37:05,556 --> 00:37:07,266
I sure as hell didn't, Gary.
712
00:37:07,266 --> 00:37:09,056
If that unauthorized CI
turns up dead,
713
00:37:09,060 --> 00:37:10,770
your career is over.
714
00:37:10,770 --> 00:37:12,060
I realize that.
715
00:37:12,063 --> 00:37:13,563
That's why I can't leave
right now.
716
00:37:13,564 --> 00:37:15,074
I don't like
you testifying
717
00:37:15,066 --> 00:37:17,186
any more than you do.
718
00:37:17,193 --> 00:37:20,613
You go down there and you show
that you know how to play ball.
719
00:37:20,613 --> 00:37:22,783
If you want support
out there in Oklahoma,
720
00:37:22,782 --> 00:37:25,792
then you're gonna have to show
us that you are a team player.
721
00:37:31,540 --> 00:37:33,750
Are you stupid?
722
00:37:33,751 --> 00:37:36,711
You had no right to do this
without talking to us.
723
00:37:36,712 --> 00:37:38,262
This right here
is how you lose our whole case.
724
00:37:38,256 --> 00:37:41,966
I'm sorry.
Were you in there just now?
725
00:37:41,968 --> 00:37:45,298
Because Kathy Schroeder
just destroyed us.
726
00:37:45,304 --> 00:37:48,394
Look, our whole case
is built on self-defense,
727
00:37:48,391 --> 00:37:51,441
on the idea that the government
attacked the Davidians.
728
00:37:51,435 --> 00:37:53,435
But the jury is not gonna give
a shit about that
729
00:37:53,437 --> 00:37:55,647
if they think the Davidians
already had a death wish
730
00:37:55,648 --> 00:37:58,228
and were gonna kill themselves
no matter what.
731
00:37:58,651 --> 00:38:02,611
So our job,
our most important job,
732
00:38:02,613 --> 00:38:05,453
is to show the jury
that our clients
733
00:38:05,449 --> 00:38:09,119
were actual people,
people who wanted to live.
734
00:38:09,537 --> 00:38:12,827
And that the choices
the ATF and the FBI made
735
00:38:12,832 --> 00:38:15,672
are what resulted
in all those people dying.
736
00:38:15,668 --> 00:38:18,088
We could put their friends
on the stand...
737
00:38:18,087 --> 00:38:19,797
- No, no.
- ...their family.
738
00:38:19,797 --> 00:38:23,087
Come on. Somebody's mama
ain't gonna convince the jury.
739
00:38:23,092 --> 00:38:25,302
But if we can get a badge
up there and he says
740
00:38:25,303 --> 00:38:28,143
that these were real people,
people who wanted to live...
741
00:38:30,391 --> 00:38:32,141
then we're cooking with gas.
742
00:38:32,143 --> 00:38:34,853
So, just to be clear,
you're gonna put
743
00:38:34,854 --> 00:38:38,154
a professional negotiator
on the stand
744
00:38:38,149 --> 00:38:40,149
and hope you can get him
to crack?
745
00:38:41,736 --> 00:38:43,356
It's a Hail Mary at best.
746
00:38:43,362 --> 00:38:45,162
Well, we need a Hail Mary
747
00:38:45,156 --> 00:38:49,326
and we need it to connect
or we lose.
748
00:39:06,552 --> 00:39:10,352
I am so tired of people
spreading lies about David,
749
00:39:10,348 --> 00:39:12,808
especially when the lies
are coming from one of our own.
750
00:39:12,808 --> 00:39:14,188
How could she say those things?
751
00:39:14,185 --> 00:39:16,645
That we wanted this to happen?
752
00:39:16,645 --> 00:39:19,015
We wanted all the people
we love to die?
753
00:39:19,023 --> 00:39:20,523
- It's insane.
- Uh-hmm.
754
00:39:20,524 --> 00:39:23,034
It's like letting Judas
write the Gospel.
755
00:39:25,071 --> 00:39:26,861
I'm gonna testify.
756
00:39:28,908 --> 00:39:31,408
Your lawyer
is letting you speak?
757
00:39:31,410 --> 00:39:33,250
- Mine won't let me.
- Neither will mine.
758
00:39:33,245 --> 00:39:34,865
I don't care.
759
00:39:34,872 --> 00:39:37,252
I have a legal right
to testify if I want to.
760
00:39:37,249 --> 00:39:40,589
- We all do.
- Uh, she's right.
761
00:39:40,586 --> 00:39:43,046
It doesn't matter
that the lawyers said no.
762
00:39:43,047 --> 00:39:44,587
Legally, they can't stop us.
763
00:39:44,590 --> 00:39:46,380
And our lawyers
are not listening to us.
764
00:39:46,384 --> 00:39:48,554
No one is listening to us.
765
00:39:48,552 --> 00:39:50,222
So we have to make them listen.
766
00:39:51,764 --> 00:39:53,274
I don't know.
767
00:39:54,934 --> 00:39:57,024
We are good people.
768
00:39:57,019 --> 00:39:58,849
Someone needs to say it.
769
00:39:59,397 --> 00:40:02,567
We're not monsters.
David's not a monster.
770
00:40:02,942 --> 00:40:05,692
The jury needs to hear
that David would never do
771
00:40:05,694 --> 00:40:07,414
anything to hurt us.
772
00:40:09,740 --> 00:40:11,120
He loved us.
773
00:40:13,577 --> 00:40:15,577
- Someone should say something.
- Uh-hmm.
774
00:40:15,579 --> 00:40:18,709
dramatic music plays
775
00:40:42,314 --> 00:40:43,944
Hey, mama.
776
00:40:43,941 --> 00:40:45,781
What the hell
were you thinking,
777
00:40:45,776 --> 00:40:47,736
shooting at George Roden
like that?
778
00:40:48,279 --> 00:40:51,239
- Well, they let me go.
- And if they didn't?
779
00:40:51,240 --> 00:40:53,280
If they kept you in jail,
you think these friends of yours
780
00:40:53,284 --> 00:40:55,664
would still be there
when you got out?
781
00:40:55,661 --> 00:40:59,291
- God told me that--
- Oh, don't give me that crap!
782
00:40:59,290 --> 00:41:01,080
They might buy
this whole messiah thing
783
00:41:01,083 --> 00:41:02,633
you've been feeding them,
but I remember
784
00:41:02,626 --> 00:41:03,956
when you were still pissing
your bed.
785
00:41:03,961 --> 00:41:05,001
Stop!
786
00:41:13,679 --> 00:41:15,849
God speaks to me!
787
00:41:15,848 --> 00:41:17,638
- Vernon?
- He didn't choose you!
788
00:41:17,641 --> 00:41:19,351
He didn't choose Grandma!
789
00:41:19,351 --> 00:41:20,851
He chose me!
790
00:41:20,853 --> 00:41:22,153
Me!
791
00:41:22,146 --> 00:41:24,606
- Vernon!
- Not anymore.
792
00:41:24,607 --> 00:41:26,317
You gave me that name.
793
00:41:26,317 --> 00:41:28,437
But God's got bigger plans
for me than you could ever
794
00:41:28,444 --> 00:41:29,654
even thought of!
795
00:41:29,653 --> 00:41:31,163
Just get in the car.
796
00:41:31,155 --> 00:41:33,525
God's given me
a new name.
797
00:41:33,532 --> 00:41:35,162
David Koresh.
798
00:41:35,159 --> 00:41:36,869
From now on,
you will call me by my name!
799
00:41:36,869 --> 00:41:39,659
I will call you
by your given name!
800
00:41:39,663 --> 00:41:41,173
Your real name!
801
00:41:41,165 --> 00:41:44,535
David Koresh is
my real name!
802
00:41:44,543 --> 00:41:46,883
Or do you think
you know better than God?
803
00:41:46,879 --> 00:41:48,879
And is it God then who told you
804
00:41:48,881 --> 00:41:51,341
to impregnate
Rachel's little sister?
805
00:41:51,342 --> 00:41:53,012
What is she, 14?
806
00:41:53,010 --> 00:41:55,680
You were 14 when you had me!
807
00:41:55,679 --> 00:41:57,309
And I remember what it felt
808
00:41:57,306 --> 00:41:59,676
like to be
a 14-year-old mother.
809
00:41:59,683 --> 00:42:01,643
You know how that felt?
810
00:42:01,644 --> 00:42:04,194
Like I was too young!
811
00:42:09,693 --> 00:42:13,363
I follow where God leads
812
00:42:13,364 --> 00:42:16,084
and if you can't get
with the program, then--
813
00:42:16,075 --> 00:42:18,195
well, then you'll never see
these grandkids of yours.
814
00:42:18,202 --> 00:42:20,542
How does that sound to you?
Is that what you want?
815
00:42:20,538 --> 00:42:23,418
And they'll ask me, "Daddy,
why don't I have a grandma?"
816
00:42:23,415 --> 00:42:25,705
And I'll say, "Oh, you do
have one out there somewhere,
817
00:42:25,709 --> 00:42:29,209
but she always had to know best,
better than God."
818
00:42:31,257 --> 00:42:33,507
Some souls just can't be led
to the spirit,
819
00:42:33,509 --> 00:42:36,389
no matter how hard you scream
and shout at them.
820
00:42:40,766 --> 00:42:42,726
Fine.
821
00:42:42,726 --> 00:42:44,896
Just get back in the car.
822
00:42:47,439 --> 00:42:49,859
Get back in the car what?
823
00:42:52,236 --> 00:42:54,446
Get back in the car, please.
824
00:43:00,786 --> 00:43:04,036
Get back in the car
please, David.
825
00:43:05,791 --> 00:43:07,251
They're coming for your guns!
826
00:43:07,251 --> 00:43:08,881
They're coming
for your kids!
827
00:43:08,877 --> 00:43:10,457
They're coming for your guns!
828
00:43:10,462 --> 00:43:11,922
They're coming
for your kids!
829
00:43:11,922 --> 00:43:13,472
They're coming for your guns!
830
00:43:13,465 --> 00:43:15,125
They're coming
for your kids!
831
00:43:15,134 --> 00:43:16,724
They're coming for your guns!
832
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:18,259
They're coming
for your kids!
833
00:43:18,262 --> 00:43:19,762
They're coming for your guns!
834
00:43:19,763 --> 00:43:21,313
They're coming
for your kids!
835
00:43:21,307 --> 00:43:22,927
They're coming for your guns!
836
00:43:22,933 --> 00:43:24,483
They're coming
for your kids!
837
00:43:24,476 --> 00:43:26,436
They're coming for your guns!
838
00:43:26,437 --> 00:43:27,937
- They're coming for your kids!
- Is it always like this?
839
00:43:27,938 --> 00:43:29,568
Been a circus since day one.
840
00:43:29,565 --> 00:43:31,435
I've been telling them
we need more support,
841
00:43:31,442 --> 00:43:34,452
especially after one
of the jurors was followed home.
842
00:43:34,445 --> 00:43:36,065
- What?
- These guys are coming here
843
00:43:36,071 --> 00:43:37,491
from all over the country.
844
00:43:55,382 --> 00:43:58,932
So, you gonna ask Noesner
about the missing door?
845
00:43:58,927 --> 00:44:00,637
Yeah, probably.
846
00:44:00,929 --> 00:44:03,469
Hey, where is everyone?
847
00:44:03,474 --> 00:44:05,984
Hmm,
maybe the bus is late.
848
00:44:05,976 --> 00:44:07,476
Oh, shit.
Now what?
849
00:44:09,521 --> 00:44:11,321
What's up?
850
00:44:11,315 --> 00:44:14,145
It seems we got
a bit of a mutiny on our hands.
851
00:44:14,151 --> 00:44:17,821
You're denying us
our constitutional rights.
852
00:44:17,821 --> 00:44:20,621
We have a 6th Amendment right
to self-representation,
853
00:44:20,616 --> 00:44:22,156
and you're denying us
that right.
854
00:44:22,159 --> 00:44:23,869
Is this about testifying again?
855
00:44:23,869 --> 00:44:26,329
This is about speaking
the truth!
856
00:44:26,664 --> 00:44:29,294
We're, we're good people,
and we just want the chance--
857
00:44:29,291 --> 00:44:30,831
Clive, we've talked
about this.
858
00:44:30,834 --> 00:44:32,634
There's no way in hell
you're gonna testify.
859
00:44:34,046 --> 00:44:36,466
We already
have an opinion on--
860
00:44:36,465 --> 00:44:39,125
All right.
Stop. Stop! Stop!
861
00:44:42,846 --> 00:44:44,346
You wanna testify?
862
00:44:44,348 --> 00:44:45,888
You should know
what it's gonna be like.
863
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:50,350
Mr. Fagan, you were a follower
of David Koresh, correct?
864
00:44:50,354 --> 00:44:52,364
- Yes.
- Did you believe him
865
00:44:52,356 --> 00:44:54,526
when he said
the end times were coming?
866
00:44:54,525 --> 00:44:56,025
Yes.
867
00:44:56,026 --> 00:44:58,026
Is that why you were preparing
for battle?
868
00:44:59,530 --> 00:45:01,660
A spiritual battle.
869
00:45:01,949 --> 00:45:05,039
And were people gonna die
in this spiritual battle?
870
00:45:05,744 --> 00:45:07,254
Yes.
871
00:45:07,246 --> 00:45:09,416
Mr. Fagan,
have you ever shot anyone?
872
00:45:11,917 --> 00:45:15,087
Mr. Fagan, you swore
on a Bible to tell the truth.
873
00:45:15,087 --> 00:45:17,547
Now, I'll ask you again.
Have you ever shot anyone?
874
00:45:17,548 --> 00:45:19,548
- Dan--
- No, no, no. They wanna do this.
875
00:45:19,550 --> 00:45:23,050
Mr. Fatta, in 1988,
you were in a gun battle?
876
00:45:24,555 --> 00:45:26,515
Yes.
877
00:45:26,515 --> 00:45:28,225
A battle led
by David Koresh,
878
00:45:28,225 --> 00:45:30,595
for which
you were both arrested.
879
00:45:30,602 --> 00:45:32,692
What crime
were you charged with?
880
00:45:34,148 --> 00:45:36,938
- Attempted murder.
- Attempted murder!
881
00:45:36,942 --> 00:45:39,572
You were prepared to kill
for Mr. Koresh, weren't you?
882
00:45:39,570 --> 00:45:41,570
Because you would do
anything Mr. Koresh said.
883
00:45:41,572 --> 00:45:42,782
It wasn't like that.
884
00:45:42,781 --> 00:45:44,701
We made our own choices.
885
00:45:44,700 --> 00:45:47,370
So you had free will?
886
00:45:47,369 --> 00:45:50,209
- Yes.
- And what about you, Mr. Doyle,
887
00:45:50,205 --> 00:45:52,035
- were you brainwashed?
- No.
888
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:53,540
So you made
your own choices as well?
889
00:45:53,542 --> 00:45:55,292
- Yes.
- So you chose to let
890
00:45:55,294 --> 00:45:58,554
your 12-year-old daughter
marry a 30-year-old man?
891
00:46:02,968 --> 00:46:04,428
You don't understand...
892
00:46:04,428 --> 00:46:05,758
- And what about you?
- ...what we--
893
00:46:05,763 --> 00:46:06,813
You knew
what was going on.
894
00:46:06,805 --> 00:46:08,265
Did you say anything?
895
00:46:08,265 --> 00:46:10,225
You have to know the Bible.
896
00:46:10,225 --> 00:46:12,595
What about you?
Did you say anything?
897
00:46:14,605 --> 00:46:16,265
Did you?
Or maybe you didn't care
898
00:46:16,273 --> 00:46:18,113
because you had a son
instead of a daughter.
899
00:46:18,108 --> 00:46:19,228
That's not fair!
900
00:46:19,234 --> 00:46:20,944
You are all complicit.
901
00:46:20,944 --> 00:46:23,414
You all saw, you knew,
and you didn't say anything.
902
00:46:23,405 --> 00:46:24,775
Do you know
what the legal term
903
00:46:24,782 --> 00:46:26,412
for these marriages
of David's is?
904
00:46:26,408 --> 00:46:27,738
It's rape.
905
00:46:27,743 --> 00:46:29,833
It wasn't rape!
906
00:46:29,828 --> 00:46:30,948
It wasn't even sexual!
907
00:46:30,954 --> 00:46:32,164
David married them
908
00:46:32,164 --> 00:46:33,674
in order to have children!
909
00:46:33,665 --> 00:46:36,415
Is that why he married
a ten-year-old girl,
910
00:46:36,418 --> 00:46:38,498
because she was so fertile?
911
00:46:43,842 --> 00:46:46,682
You are not guilty of the crime
you've been accused of.
912
00:46:46,678 --> 00:46:49,258
And what the government did
at Mount Carmel
913
00:46:49,264 --> 00:46:51,184
is an abomination.
914
00:46:53,143 --> 00:46:54,983
But you're not innocent either.
915
00:46:54,978 --> 00:46:57,308
And if you get up there
to testify,
916
00:46:57,314 --> 00:46:59,864
that's all anybody
will be left with.
917
00:47:16,500 --> 00:47:19,550
dramatic music plays
918
00:47:28,887 --> 00:47:32,387
Everybody wants
to go to heaven
919
00:47:34,393 --> 00:47:37,903
Everybody wants to go
to heaven
62391
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