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She can go into people's bodies.
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Said the ghost
has scratched him.
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I yelled at whatever was here,
"Leave!"
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Something is so physically wrong
with her.
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The body was chopped up
and thrown into the harbor.
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This is un-[bleep]-bearable.
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So much pain!
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It's really bad in here.
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My name is Amy Allan.
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Something is not right.
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I see dead people.
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This person might have been
a serial killer.
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I speak to dead people.
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You get those chills.
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And they speak to me.
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He is darkness.
He is evil.
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But there's only one way to know
if my findings are real.
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I think she broke her neck.
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I rely on my partner.
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I'm Steve di Shiavi.
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I'm a retired New York City
Homicide detective.
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You telling me the truth?
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And I know every person,
every house has secrets.
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I think the devil is down here.
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It's my job to reveal them.
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Who the hell would do this?
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But Steve and I never speak...
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we never communicate
during an investigation.
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...until the very end.
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Who's he looking to kill?
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We uncover if it's safe
for you to stay...
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You need to get out of here
right now.
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Or time to get out.
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It was like endless darkness.
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Steve: Amy and I conduct
separate investigations.
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I hear what living witnesses
have to say
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and uncover any secrets
buried in the property's past
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while Amy talks with the dead.
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I'm in historic
Winthrop, Massachusetts.
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It's about 15 minutes
outside of Boston.
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Amy and I got called in
by a woman named Cynthia.
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Now, she was hysterical
on the phone.
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She says
that whatever's in the house
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is attacking her 14-year-old
son, who has special needs.
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She says if we can't help,
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she's afraid
what's going to happen next.
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Matthew: Before Amy arrives,
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I look for anything that could
reveal information to her,
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like family photographs.
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Once I conceal them all,
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the location will be ready
for tonight's walk.
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[ Voice breaking ]
I don't feel good.
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[ Crying ]
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There's some woman there.
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She's making me so sick.
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Amy: The dead know I'm coming
long before I do.
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And one dead woman
from this location
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is desperate
to have her story told.
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Oh, man.
That is some pain, man.
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She's jumped me,
entered my body.
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And I'm experiencing her pain,
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which is so intense
that I'm scared for my safety.
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[ Sighs ] This is not good.
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This woman that showed up,
she is very sick.
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[ Voice breaking ]
She's obviously inconsolable
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and in so much pain.
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This is un-[bleep]-bearable.
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Steve: Cynthia, you sounded
really concerned on the phone.
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We've had a lot of noises,
tapping, banging.
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I've seen things, shadows.
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But, really,
the reason why I've called
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is my youngest son, Nathaniel.
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He's 14
and is in the autism spectrum.
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And I really feel
this is affecting him.
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Okay. In what way?
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Well, he's actually
been scratched a few times.
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He's frightened.
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And he's not quite the same
anymore,
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since we've moved in here.
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He was a fun kid,
really outgoing.
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Okay.
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I called him the mayor.
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He would be all bubbly
and talk to anyone.
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And he's just different.
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There's no joy anymore.
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I'm so mad to see him afraid.
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And I yelled at whatever
was here to leave him alone.
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"My home, my child.
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Leave."
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It didn't cut it.
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I don't know what to do for him
anymore. I really don't.
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This girl that jumped me,
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she can go into people's bodies
very easily.
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So, I had to, like,
disconnect a little bit
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because she was
making me so sick.
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[ Sniffles ]
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She inadvertently jumps people.
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And she is seeking help.
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Unfortunately, her presence
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can make people feel
very, very depressed...
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And suicidal.
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So, now, who lives in the house
with you?
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Well, my husband lives here
with myself and Nathaniel.
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And I have two older sons
that live here, as well.
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Okay.
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And this was my parents' house,
and I grew up here.
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Oh, okay.
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And I wanted to
come back to my home.
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Well, did you have any
experiences when you were...
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Yes.
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As soon as my parents
bought this house,
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we all had experiences.
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Did you have any hesitation
about buying it, then?
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Yeah.
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I had a catholic priest
come in,
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bless the house,
and pray for Nathaniel.
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And I was confident that
that would be sufficient.
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Now I do feel guilty.
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Okay.
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Your parents
have both passed away?
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Yeah. This is my dad.
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He passed away here at home
in '95.
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He had pancreatic cancer.
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Ah, geez.
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So, now, he passes.
What about mom?
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She passed in the nursing home.
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When I bought the house,
she was very upset.
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Okay.
Was there a reason for that?
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I have no idea.
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After it closed,
she left me a message
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that she didn't want me
to have the house.
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Yeah, but it's to her daughter.
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She made it quite clear.
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Okay. Did you get along
with your mom?
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Um...
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she was a very
irritable-type person.
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She had a really bad temper.
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Okay.
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Did you ever
resolve your mother
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being upset with you
buying the house?
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No, not at all.
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There is an old lady.
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She watches.
She's always like this...
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Her thing is that if
she showed herself for real,
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nobody would be afraid of her.
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Because who's going to be afraid
of a little old lady?
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So, she makes herself tall.
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Like, if she stands straight up,
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she can put her head
through the ceiling.
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She has, like, a long,
spindly, like, neck
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and, like, skeleton legs.
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It's a very strange composition
of pieces.
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She's angry, bitter,
resentful, hateful.
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And when this lady was alive,
she was very distant and cold.
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She hates humanity in general.
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And, you know,
she had to, like, hide that.
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Do you know when she's from?
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She says that she was alive
in the '50s.
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Okay.
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And she was a housewife.
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Why'd you bring me
in this room?
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Well, Nathaniel won't go in
his room -- frightened to death.
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So, we had to trade bedrooms.
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My husband and I
are now sleeping in his room.
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That was my bedroom as a child.
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The bedroom set
that's in there now,
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that actually was
my parents' bedroom set.
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Oh, really?
When they passed, I kept it.
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Okay.
That's interesting.
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Now, are things
any better for you
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that you're in the other room?
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No, actually.
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I've been having
terrible nightmares, you know,
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where someone gets injured
in a boating accident
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or crossing the road
and getting hit.
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It's just...
they're violent accidents.
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And I'm not one
to dream like that.
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Are you taking any medication
that may cause weird dreams?
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No, nothing at all.
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How are you living like this?
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It's terrible.
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Here I am, an adult, and I sleep
with a night-light in there.
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I do feel like
a child is being chased...
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and a woman.
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Like, emotionally,
they're getting chased here.
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Matthew:
What do you mean?
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I don't know how to explain it.
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Are they being chased
in their nightmares, maybe?
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Oh, she likes this room.
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Mm.
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She does things in the bed.
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She likes to stand right here,
slide down real slow,
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and then, like, be on the floor,
all the way on the floor.
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And then, she'll like --
you know, she'll strangle.
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But when she touches her,
she takes her life.
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What do you mean?
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She is going to kill her.
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So, Nicholas, I understand
that this was Nathaniel's room,
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but you're sleeping in here?
Yes.
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So, let me ask you,
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what was the breaking point
for him to move out of here?
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Well, one night,
in the middle of the night,
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he came running into our room
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and said,
"There's a guy in my room" --
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a shadow man, shadow figure,
however he said it.
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And he wouldn't
come back in his room.
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He said,
"I'm not going back in there.
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I'm not sleeping in there
again."
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Got to figure out
what's going on here.
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This is too much.
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Your wife said he was getting
physically attacked.
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Well, actually, one day,
he woke up.
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And then he came and says,
"Mommy, look at my arm."
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And we took a picture,
and that's what we saw.
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And I said,
"What happened?"
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He says, "A ghost did it."
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He said the ghost
had scratched him.
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Did you guys question him
about that?
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Yeah. I mean,
my first thing is, like,
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"Maybe you scratched yourself
when you're sleeping."
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He said no, he wasn't.
He was pretty adamant.
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He says,
"I wasn't sleeping."
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There's no way he would ever
make up anything
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or do that
and then tell us something else.
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The old lady,
she likes it in this area.
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She wants to freak people out
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and make them leave
and not come in here.
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She is very, very proud
of inflicting pain.
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What kind of pain?
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People get scratched here.
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What about yourself?
Are you having any experiences?
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Well, the first night I
came in here, I had a nightmare.
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I thought it was real, the most
vivid dream I probably ever had.
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I was looking up at a plane.
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The plane started coming down
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and, you know, exploded,
right into the ground.
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Dreams, like, with screaming
people in it and violence.
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It's kind of interesting
how you and your wife
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are having
the same type of dreams.
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Is it just dreams you're experiencing?
No.
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One night, I woke up wide awake
about 3:00 in the morning.
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I looked up,
and I saw a shadow.
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And it was going back and forth
across the top of the door.
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Like, you could see it
blocking the light.
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It was about a minute,
at least a minute.
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And then I got up,
and I started to come over here.
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And there was nothing here.
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This stuff is confusing to me.
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We've prayed.
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And the priest
across the street,
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he came in and blessed the house
and prayed for Nathaniel.
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What I've done, you know,
isn't the answer.
254
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So, to me, this would be
like a last resort, even,
255
00:13:39,365 --> 00:13:40,698
you know, you guys here.
256
00:13:40,700 --> 00:13:44,569
I believe, like, pretty basic,
like, black and white,
257
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like angels and demons,
you know, good and bad.
258
00:13:47,540 --> 00:13:50,373
Right.
What do you think this is?
259
00:13:50,375 --> 00:13:51,542
There's something wrong.
260
00:13:54,348 --> 00:13:56,517
There's something else
that's going on here
261
00:13:56,519 --> 00:13:59,957
with these doors, this hallway.
262
00:14:01,328 --> 00:14:04,228
I'm thinking right now
it's the old lady.
263
00:14:04,230 --> 00:14:07,866
Why is she so weird
about how she moves?
264
00:14:07,868 --> 00:14:09,867
Mm. She says...
Oh, no, yeah.
265
00:14:09,869 --> 00:14:12,800
That adds to, like,
the creepy, creepy factor.
266
00:14:14,935 --> 00:14:17,337
She's a sociopath.
267
00:14:18,804 --> 00:14:22,036
She's chasing them,
these two people.
268
00:14:22,038 --> 00:14:24,672
One is the living woman.
269
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And the other one,
I think it's a boy.
270
00:14:35,147 --> 00:14:36,848
I was talking to mom and dad,
271
00:14:36,850 --> 00:14:38,050
and mom was telling me
272
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that you're having a tough time
in the house.
273
00:14:40,352 --> 00:14:41,584
Nathaniel: Oh, yeah.
274
00:14:41,586 --> 00:14:45,889
When I go upstairs, it takes me
a while to fall asleep
275
00:14:45,891 --> 00:14:48,125
because I feel like I'm being
watched for some reason.
276
00:14:48,127 --> 00:14:52,058
And a couple times,
I saw this weird black thing.
277
00:14:52,060 --> 00:14:54,529
It was just, like, an outline.
278
00:14:54,531 --> 00:14:56,366
And what did it do?
279
00:14:56,368 --> 00:14:58,366
It just stands there
for like five seconds.
280
00:14:58,368 --> 00:14:59,700
And what happened?
281
00:14:59,702 --> 00:15:01,000
It just completely disappeared.
282
00:15:01,002 --> 00:15:03,269
I got so scared,
283
00:15:03,271 --> 00:15:05,638
I actually switched rooms
with my parents.
284
00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:07,040
Okay.
285
00:15:07,042 --> 00:15:09,541
Dad showed me a picture
of a scratch on your arm.
286
00:15:09,543 --> 00:15:10,577
Yes.
287
00:15:10,579 --> 00:15:11,879
What happened?
288
00:15:11,881 --> 00:15:13,114
I felt, like, a weird burning.
289
00:15:13,116 --> 00:15:15,550
And I looked,
and it was a weird scratch.
290
00:15:15,552 --> 00:15:17,452
Did the cat do it or anything?
291
00:15:17,454 --> 00:15:20,922
No, definitely not
because it was perfectly fine.
292
00:15:20,924 --> 00:15:22,689
And then,
like five minutes later,
293
00:15:22,691 --> 00:15:24,223
there was a weird scratch.
294
00:15:24,225 --> 00:15:26,092
Would you be afraid
to be alone in the house?
295
00:15:26,094 --> 00:15:27,228
Yes, actually.
296
00:15:27,230 --> 00:15:29,098
Okay.
What about your old bedroom?
297
00:15:29,100 --> 00:15:30,834
That's the worst.
298
00:15:33,468 --> 00:15:35,972
Old lady does weird [bleep]
up here.
299
00:15:38,843 --> 00:15:41,010
What does she do?
300
00:15:41,012 --> 00:15:42,779
She does weird stuff
on the floor up in here.
301
00:15:45,216 --> 00:15:49,685
And then,
there's someone crying about it,
302
00:15:49,687 --> 00:15:52,388
being afraid about it.
303
00:15:54,759 --> 00:15:58,729
I think it takes her a lot
to murder someone.
304
00:15:58,731 --> 00:16:00,731
So, she's focused on
305
00:16:00,733 --> 00:16:03,399
offing a living woman
that lives here now.
306
00:16:06,836 --> 00:16:10,071
She's just kind of trying to
get that done and over with.
307
00:16:10,073 --> 00:16:12,307
And then, she'll move on
to the next person.
308
00:16:13,305 --> 00:16:16,910
She's definitely, like,
screwing with the kid now.
309
00:16:31,837 --> 00:16:33,117
You know you're in the northeast
310
00:16:33,119 --> 00:16:34,789
when you trace the history
on a property
311
00:16:34,791 --> 00:16:36,293
and it takes you back
to the 1600s.
312
00:16:36,295 --> 00:16:38,766
Turns out, the first settlers
on my client's property
313
00:16:38,768 --> 00:16:40,968
lived there
for a couple hundred years.
314
00:16:40,970 --> 00:16:43,640
I asked a local genealogist
to look into it for me,
315
00:16:43,642 --> 00:16:45,875
and he said he found something
that will help my case.
316
00:16:55,184 --> 00:16:57,818
Steve: You know, Steve,
this is one of the oldest deeds
317
00:16:57,820 --> 00:16:59,152
I've ever searched through.
318
00:16:59,154 --> 00:17:00,717
It goes back to the 1600s.
319
00:17:00,719 --> 00:17:03,587
And I came across
the Bill and Belcher families.
320
00:17:03,589 --> 00:17:04,586
Mm-hmm.
321
00:17:04,588 --> 00:17:05,820
What can you tell me
about them?
322
00:17:05,822 --> 00:17:08,822
In November of 1635,
323
00:17:08,824 --> 00:17:10,824
John Bill and his wife
324
00:17:10,826 --> 00:17:12,824
came from England
with their family.
325
00:17:12,826 --> 00:17:16,624
And by 1690, the family
owns most of Pullen Poynt,
326
00:17:16,626 --> 00:17:18,426
today's Winthrop.
Okay.
327
00:17:18,428 --> 00:17:20,965
So, how does the Belcher family
get involved?
328
00:17:20,967 --> 00:17:26,004
Well, in 1697, Hannah Bill
marries Joseph Belcher.
329
00:17:26,006 --> 00:17:28,307
Okay. So, these were two
pretty prominent families, then.
330
00:17:28,309 --> 00:17:30,076
Exactly.
331
00:17:30,078 --> 00:17:31,843
Now, you said there was
some information on the phone
332
00:17:31,845 --> 00:17:33,578
that would help my case.
What were you talking about?
333
00:17:33,580 --> 00:17:36,183
Well, I went through
over 200 years of records.
334
00:17:36,185 --> 00:17:39,052
And, of course, there's deaths,
standard things...
335
00:17:39,054 --> 00:17:41,555
That is
until the mid-to late-1800s.
336
00:17:41,557 --> 00:17:43,525
Okay.
During that period,
337
00:17:43,527 --> 00:17:47,962
a dozen Belcher children
under the age of four die.
338
00:17:47,964 --> 00:17:50,166
Okay.
Do you know what they died from?
339
00:17:50,168 --> 00:17:53,471
You might want to take a look
at some of these death records.
340
00:17:55,340 --> 00:17:58,575
Most of it was common ailments
of the time --
341
00:17:58,577 --> 00:18:00,144
cholera, consumption,
342
00:18:00,146 --> 00:18:02,745
what we know today
as tuberculosis.
343
00:18:02,747 --> 00:18:04,879
So, we're talking about
some kind of an epidemic?
344
00:18:04,881 --> 00:18:06,547
No.
345
00:18:06,549 --> 00:18:11,923
But in the 1700s, there was
an outbreak of smallpox.
346
00:18:11,925 --> 00:18:13,558
And that was in the area
I'm investigating?
347
00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:14,558
Exactly.
348
00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:16,426
Okay.
349
00:18:18,393 --> 00:18:21,393
Amy: I saw the old lady.
350
00:18:21,395 --> 00:18:26,191
And then I saw
these three little kids.
351
00:18:26,193 --> 00:18:30,097
And she was claiming
that she killed them.
352
00:18:31,634 --> 00:18:38,072
Then I heard a man say
that she didn't kill them.
353
00:18:39,778 --> 00:18:41,414
This is not a good room.
354
00:18:41,416 --> 00:18:43,782
Pain and then pain, pain.
355
00:18:43,784 --> 00:18:46,183
Blood and death and pain.
356
00:18:47,688 --> 00:18:51,023
Now that I know there was
a smallpox epidemic in Winthrop,
357
00:18:51,025 --> 00:18:53,124
I need to find out more
about it.
358
00:18:53,126 --> 00:18:55,293
I'm heading over
to meet with a local historian.
359
00:18:55,295 --> 00:18:56,964
He says
there's a direct connection
360
00:18:56,966 --> 00:18:59,433
between the outbreak and
the property I'm investigating.
361
00:19:11,007 --> 00:19:13,474
So, Bob, I understand that
there was a smallpox epidemic
362
00:19:13,476 --> 00:19:15,408
related to the property
I'm investigating.
363
00:19:15,410 --> 00:19:16,407
Correct.
364
00:19:16,409 --> 00:19:17,975
When did it happen?
365
00:19:17,977 --> 00:19:20,010
December of 1751.
366
00:19:20,012 --> 00:19:22,145
So, how does this epidemic
start?
367
00:19:22,147 --> 00:19:25,086
The ship The Bumper
came into town
368
00:19:25,088 --> 00:19:26,922
and ran aground
here in Winthrop.
369
00:19:26,924 --> 00:19:29,356
Captain Nicholas Cousens,
370
00:19:29,358 --> 00:19:32,159
actually, he had a crew member
that was sick.
371
00:19:32,161 --> 00:19:35,066
And he quarantined him on ship
prior to this crash.
372
00:19:35,068 --> 00:19:37,637
He ordered everybody
off the ship.
373
00:19:37,639 --> 00:19:40,372
And then he just basically
got townspeople
374
00:19:40,374 --> 00:19:42,703
to help out him
unloading his ship.
375
00:19:42,705 --> 00:19:43,838
So, that's how
it winds up spreading?
376
00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:44,907
Correct.
377
00:19:44,909 --> 00:19:46,611
That's a scumbag move.
It is.
378
00:19:46,613 --> 00:19:48,582
Over 7,500 people got infected.
379
00:19:48,584 --> 00:19:50,784
569 people died.
380
00:19:50,786 --> 00:19:52,552
Wow.
381
00:19:52,554 --> 00:19:55,457
Considering the time it was
and the amount of people,
382
00:19:55,459 --> 00:19:56,826
that's a lot of people.
383
00:19:56,828 --> 00:19:58,696
A lot of people,
especially around this area.
384
00:19:58,698 --> 00:20:01,030
I mean, back then,
they were mainly farmers.
385
00:20:01,032 --> 00:20:03,565
What do you know about
the symptoms of smallpox?
386
00:20:03,567 --> 00:20:06,304
Well, you have a high fever,
body ache,
387
00:20:06,306 --> 00:20:07,906
have open sores,
and stuff like that.
388
00:20:07,908 --> 00:20:09,440
And if you'll look
at this picture,
389
00:20:09,442 --> 00:20:10,907
you can see how painful
it can be.
390
00:20:10,909 --> 00:20:12,442
This is what a guy
would look like?
391
00:20:12,444 --> 00:20:13,910
That's what it looks like.
Oh, geez.
392
00:20:13,912 --> 00:20:14,911
Yeah.
393
00:20:14,913 --> 00:20:16,577
So, Bob, you mentioned
on the phone
394
00:20:16,579 --> 00:20:17,978
there was a direct connection
395
00:20:17,980 --> 00:20:20,379
between the epidemic and
the property I'm investigating.
396
00:20:20,381 --> 00:20:22,080
Right.
Because a lot of the patients
397
00:20:22,082 --> 00:20:24,780
were actually taken
to John Bill's house,
398
00:20:24,782 --> 00:20:26,182
the owner of that property.
399
00:20:26,184 --> 00:20:28,319
That took a lot of guts
for this guy to do that.
400
00:20:28,321 --> 00:20:29,820
A lot of guts, yep.
401
00:20:34,322 --> 00:20:41,521
I see all of these men
running up from over here.
402
00:20:44,458 --> 00:20:47,094
They're all dying.
403
00:20:47,096 --> 00:20:49,998
And they're all scared.
404
00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,302
They're all white men.
405
00:20:52,304 --> 00:20:55,841
There is so much pain.
406
00:20:58,544 --> 00:21:04,585
All these dead --
these dead souls, these men.
407
00:21:04,587 --> 00:21:06,922
There's so much sadness here.
408
00:21:24,317 --> 00:21:26,988
Steve: I'm at the local library
to see what else I can uncover
409
00:21:26,990 --> 00:21:28,793
about my client's property.
410
00:21:28,795 --> 00:21:30,961
Digging through old records,
411
00:21:30,963 --> 00:21:35,367
I find a young woman named
Suzanna Geary who died in 1905.
412
00:21:35,369 --> 00:21:40,273
But what's really disturbing is
where her body was discovered --
413
00:21:40,275 --> 00:21:43,776
washed up onshore
right by Cynthia's house.
414
00:21:44,786 --> 00:21:46,947
I'm heading over to meet with
a local police lieutenant
415
00:21:46,949 --> 00:21:49,084
who I asked
to look into it for me.
416
00:21:49,086 --> 00:21:52,654
He says this story
is every parents' nightmare.
417
00:21:57,156 --> 00:22:00,853
Lieutenant, came across
this gruesome case back in 1905.
418
00:22:01,888 --> 00:22:03,122
Body washed up on the shore
419
00:22:03,124 --> 00:22:04,824
pretty close to the property
I'm investigating.
420
00:22:04,826 --> 00:22:06,059
What do you know about it?
421
00:22:06,061 --> 00:22:07,260
Suzanna Geary --
422
00:22:07,262 --> 00:22:09,161
20-year-old dancer
originally from Massachusetts
423
00:22:09,163 --> 00:22:10,962
working in a performance
in Boston.
424
00:22:10,964 --> 00:22:13,401
This is a picture of her
right here
425
00:22:13,403 --> 00:22:16,504
taken from a newspaper
back in 1905.
426
00:22:16,506 --> 00:22:18,638
She's a pretty girl.
Yeah, pretty girl.
427
00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:21,642
She was going out with one of the stage
managers of her production company.
428
00:22:21,644 --> 00:22:22,977
Okay.
429
00:22:22,979 --> 00:22:24,780
She became pregnant,
wasn't married...
430
00:22:24,782 --> 00:22:25,947
Ah.
431
00:22:25,949 --> 00:22:27,629
...and things started to go bad
from there.
432
00:22:31,054 --> 00:22:34,657
Amy: I know that this woman
is younger,
433
00:22:34,659 --> 00:22:38,559
probably in her teen or 20s.
434
00:22:38,561 --> 00:22:42,264
She has long hair about here,
brown.
435
00:22:42,266 --> 00:22:46,134
She'd kind of skinny
for a pregnant woman.
436
00:22:48,173 --> 00:22:51,177
The young girl who jumped me
at the start of my walk
437
00:22:51,179 --> 00:22:52,545
has left my body.
438
00:22:52,547 --> 00:22:55,317
And I'm now able to see
what she looked like in life.
439
00:22:55,319 --> 00:22:57,987
I'm surprised to find
that she's pregnant.
440
00:22:57,989 --> 00:23:01,422
Very pretty, large, brown eyes.
441
00:23:01,424 --> 00:23:02,790
Very dark.
442
00:23:02,792 --> 00:23:04,323
Um...
443
00:23:04,325 --> 00:23:06,091
and obviously very sad.
444
00:23:09,063 --> 00:23:11,467
So, what happens next?
445
00:23:11,469 --> 00:23:13,670
Suzanna and her boyfriend,
Nathan --
446
00:23:13,672 --> 00:23:15,874
here's a sketch of him
right here...
447
00:23:17,110 --> 00:23:18,644
...they decide
that having this baby
448
00:23:18,646 --> 00:23:21,111
isn't going to be the best for
either of them in their careers.
449
00:23:21,113 --> 00:23:23,710
And they decide
to go have an illegal abortion.
450
00:23:23,712 --> 00:23:25,548
They find a doctor
in the Boston area.
451
00:23:25,550 --> 00:23:26,917
Okay.
That doesn't go so well
452
00:23:26,919 --> 00:23:29,553
because she develop
septicemia and peritonitis,
453
00:23:29,555 --> 00:23:31,422
two highly infectious diseases.
454
00:23:31,424 --> 00:23:33,892
They're serious today,
never mind back then.
455
00:23:33,894 --> 00:23:35,629
I've heard of it.
But what are the symptoms?
456
00:23:35,631 --> 00:23:37,731
You have any idea?
Well, I know that a sepsis infection
457
00:23:37,733 --> 00:23:38,798
is in your bloodstream,
458
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:40,765
and it can travel
throughout your body.
459
00:23:40,767 --> 00:23:43,632
Causes excruciating pain.
It's a deadly disease.
460
00:23:43,634 --> 00:23:45,800
Okay. So, now,
she develop this infection.
461
00:23:45,802 --> 00:23:47,601
And I assume
she goes back to the doctor?
462
00:23:47,603 --> 00:23:48,803
That is correct.
463
00:23:48,805 --> 00:23:50,005
A second procedure is performed
464
00:23:50,006 --> 00:23:51,672
by this doctor, Percy McLeod.
465
00:23:51,674 --> 00:23:54,242
But they go back
to the same office?
466
00:23:54,244 --> 00:23:56,477
Yes.
But this is a new doctor that sees her?
467
00:23:56,479 --> 00:23:58,745
We don't know exactly who
performed the first procedure.
468
00:23:58,747 --> 00:24:00,247
It could have been
Dr. McLeod.
469
00:24:00,249 --> 00:24:02,683
He was trying to fix whatever went
wrong with the first procedure.
470
00:24:02,685 --> 00:24:05,585
And instead of fixing it,
she dies a day later.
471
00:24:12,026 --> 00:24:14,428
She was pregnant...
472
00:24:14,430 --> 00:24:16,797
and she lost the baby.
473
00:24:16,799 --> 00:24:19,362
And I think she lost her man.
474
00:24:19,364 --> 00:24:22,800
Something is so physically wrong
with her.
475
00:24:22,802 --> 00:24:26,638
This woman's physical and
emotional trauma is so severe
476
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,576
that I'm experiencing
all of the pain she felt
477
00:24:29,578 --> 00:24:31,340
when she was alive.
478
00:24:31,342 --> 00:24:38,347
I've never felt so much pain.
479
00:24:38,349 --> 00:24:40,414
It hurt.
480
00:24:40,416 --> 00:24:42,884
It was so painful.
481
00:24:42,886 --> 00:24:47,019
Seriously, I would've [bleep]
just shot myself in the head.
482
00:24:47,021 --> 00:24:48,590
[ Cries ]
483
00:24:48,592 --> 00:24:53,126
Her loss is just...
484
00:24:54,894 --> 00:24:57,393
Oh, it's really bad.
485
00:25:00,097 --> 00:25:03,362
So, how do we end up with her
going DOA in a doctor's office
486
00:25:03,364 --> 00:25:04,629
to being in the water?
487
00:25:04,631 --> 00:25:06,098
I'm sure that the doctors,
488
00:25:06,100 --> 00:25:08,268
realizing that they had
a dead body on their hands,
489
00:25:08,270 --> 00:25:11,901
panicked and started to
try to cover up their tracks,
490
00:25:11,903 --> 00:25:13,234
try to dispose of the body
491
00:25:13,236 --> 00:25:15,367
so that no finger-pointing
would be made
492
00:25:15,369 --> 00:25:17,935
that they were doing
any kind of illegal activity.
493
00:25:17,937 --> 00:25:19,969
These two gentlemen here --
494
00:25:19,971 --> 00:25:23,272
hired by the doctor
to dispose of the body.
495
00:25:23,274 --> 00:25:26,374
The body was chopped up,
went into suitcases,
496
00:25:26,376 --> 00:25:29,075
and thrown into the harbor.
497
00:25:29,077 --> 00:25:31,846
So, what happens next?
498
00:25:31,848 --> 00:25:35,349
Two young boys in a rowboat
saw the bag floating,
499
00:25:35,351 --> 00:25:37,016
decided to bring it in.
500
00:25:37,018 --> 00:25:38,950
God knows what's inside of it.
501
00:25:38,952 --> 00:25:41,419
They bring it to shore,
they open it up,
502
00:25:41,421 --> 00:25:44,256
and wrapped up inside
was a torso.
503
00:25:44,258 --> 00:25:46,557
What did they do with the torso
at this point?
504
00:25:46,559 --> 00:25:48,091
Well, it's right next to
the cemetery.
505
00:25:48,093 --> 00:25:49,459
They bring it in
to the cemetery.
506
00:25:49,461 --> 00:25:51,463
And that's right next to
the house I'm investigating.
507
00:25:51,465 --> 00:25:52,799
Exactly.
508
00:25:52,801 --> 00:25:55,004
Somehow, the mother
identifies it as her daughter.
509
00:25:55,006 --> 00:25:56,673
So now we have a victim.
510
00:25:56,675 --> 00:25:59,411
We found an article,
actually, of divers
511
00:25:59,413 --> 00:26:00,779
looking for other evidence.
512
00:26:00,781 --> 00:26:02,883
And that's when they
discovered her head.
513
00:26:02,885 --> 00:26:05,651
Oh, wow.
Look at this.
514
00:26:05,653 --> 00:26:08,190
So, now, what winded up
happening with the doctor?
515
00:26:08,192 --> 00:26:10,494
Did he ever get convicted
or charged?
516
00:26:10,496 --> 00:26:12,827
The people that helped the
doctor, they were convicted.
517
00:26:12,829 --> 00:26:14,528
They were sent to
the Charlestown penitentiary
518
00:26:14,530 --> 00:26:15,597
for seven years.
519
00:26:15,599 --> 00:26:18,766
The doctor in this case,
he was charged,
520
00:26:18,768 --> 00:26:20,433
but he was acquitted.
521
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:32,442
During my walk, a traumatized
young woman jumped my body.
522
00:26:32,444 --> 00:26:34,343
I'm meeting with a sketch artist
523
00:26:34,345 --> 00:26:37,045
to describe
how she appeared in life.
524
00:26:37,047 --> 00:26:39,880
She was on the thin side.
525
00:26:41,518 --> 00:26:46,152
Deep-brown colored eyes,
very large.
526
00:26:48,053 --> 00:26:50,455
Very pointy chin.
527
00:26:54,957 --> 00:26:57,424
Yes, that's who I saw.
528
00:27:20,362 --> 00:27:23,200
Steve: Now that Amy and I have
completed our investigations,
529
00:27:23,202 --> 00:27:25,082
we're ready to reveal
our findings to each other
530
00:27:25,102 --> 00:27:28,040
and our clients
for the first time.
531
00:27:28,042 --> 00:27:30,343
Amy, I want you to meet
Nicholas and Cynthia.
532
00:27:30,468 --> 00:27:31,801
This is their home.
533
00:27:31,803 --> 00:27:33,538
They've both experienced
a lot of things here.
534
00:27:33,540 --> 00:27:35,941
But the main reason
they called us
535
00:27:35,943 --> 00:27:39,310
and their main concern is their
14-year-old son, Nathaniel.
536
00:27:39,312 --> 00:27:40,310
Okay.
537
00:27:40,312 --> 00:27:42,144
He has special needs,
538
00:27:42,146 --> 00:27:45,477
and it seems like
he's being singled out
539
00:27:45,479 --> 00:27:47,012
and victimized
in a violent manner.
540
00:27:47,014 --> 00:27:49,115
What they want to know from us
541
00:27:49,117 --> 00:27:51,749
is if it's safe enough
to stay here.
542
00:27:51,751 --> 00:27:53,151
With that, I'm going to ask her
543
00:27:53,153 --> 00:27:55,318
to tell us
about how her walk went.
544
00:27:57,456 --> 00:28:06,162
On my way to do the walk,
I was jumped by a female.
545
00:28:06,164 --> 00:28:10,598
And I became violently ill.
546
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,233
It was extremely sudden,
totally unexpected,
547
00:28:13,235 --> 00:28:16,304
and extremely overwhelming.
548
00:28:16,306 --> 00:28:20,007
She felt so much loneliness.
549
00:28:20,009 --> 00:28:23,044
[ Sniffles ]
550
00:28:27,517 --> 00:28:29,753
[ Sniffles ]
551
00:28:31,455 --> 00:28:33,254
Okay.
552
00:28:36,591 --> 00:28:39,025
Getting jumped is
not easy for her.
553
00:28:41,095 --> 00:28:42,528
I hate when it happens.
554
00:28:42,530 --> 00:28:43,696
Hmm.
555
00:28:43,698 --> 00:28:49,374
I can't even imagine
living with that kind of pain.
556
00:28:49,376 --> 00:28:52,877
If I had been her,
557
00:28:52,879 --> 00:28:55,160
I would have just taken a gun
and shot myself in the head.
558
00:28:57,683 --> 00:29:01,822
The thing is is that
she doesn't mean to jump people.
559
00:29:01,824 --> 00:29:07,161
But when she does, the people
can become violently ill,
560
00:29:07,163 --> 00:29:11,704
extremely depressed,
possibly suicidal.
561
00:29:11,706 --> 00:29:14,306
One of the things
you told me about your son
562
00:29:14,308 --> 00:29:16,175
was how his personality changed.
563
00:29:16,177 --> 00:29:19,075
Cynthia: Well, really shortly
after we moved in,
564
00:29:19,077 --> 00:29:20,210
he just really changed.
565
00:29:20,212 --> 00:29:23,247
I used to call him
the little mayor.
566
00:29:23,249 --> 00:29:24,546
Talked to everyone.
567
00:29:24,548 --> 00:29:26,714
Now, he doesn't want to
really go out
568
00:29:26,716 --> 00:29:28,482
and do things with other kids
569
00:29:28,484 --> 00:29:31,618
or enjoy school activities
like he used to.
570
00:29:33,420 --> 00:29:37,021
Were you able
to find anything else about her?
571
00:29:37,023 --> 00:29:41,055
Well, she's probably between
16 and 22, I would say.
572
00:29:41,057 --> 00:29:44,154
Very little, thin, pale.
573
00:29:44,156 --> 00:29:48,190
She had very long brown hair
and huge brown eyes.
574
00:29:48,192 --> 00:29:52,590
And what I figured out
was that sense of loss
575
00:29:52,592 --> 00:29:56,028
was because
she had been pregnant
576
00:29:56,030 --> 00:29:59,896
and lost her child.
577
00:30:02,331 --> 00:30:04,534
A lot of it's making sense.
578
00:30:04,536 --> 00:30:06,769
[ Sniffles ]
579
00:30:06,771 --> 00:30:09,269
It's not a story
you're going to want to hear.
580
00:30:09,271 --> 00:30:12,574
So, a young dancer
by the name of Suzanna Geary.
581
00:30:12,576 --> 00:30:14,076
She was 20 years old.
582
00:30:14,078 --> 00:30:16,478
She was from Boston.
583
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,615
Her boyfriend,
who was the stage manager
584
00:30:18,617 --> 00:30:21,253
for the dancing troupe
she was in got her pregnant.
585
00:30:21,255 --> 00:30:22,856
Uh-oh.
586
00:30:22,858 --> 00:30:25,057
And they decided to
get an abortion,
587
00:30:25,059 --> 00:30:27,523
which obviously was illegal
back then.
588
00:30:27,525 --> 00:30:29,525
And there's a sketch
of her boyfriend.
589
00:30:29,527 --> 00:30:32,797
This is Morris Nathan.
590
00:30:32,799 --> 00:30:35,598
Now, while she's recovering,
591
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,869
she develop
what they call septicemia.
592
00:30:38,871 --> 00:30:44,174
She got very sick,
excruciating pain, apparently.
593
00:30:44,176 --> 00:30:47,811
So, she goes back
to Dr. Percy McLeod.
594
00:30:50,116 --> 00:30:51,681
They do another procedure.
595
00:30:51,683 --> 00:30:53,316
Didn't go too well.
596
00:30:53,318 --> 00:30:54,618
She dies the next day.
597
00:30:54,620 --> 00:30:58,186
Now, the police at the time
believed he panicked.
598
00:30:58,188 --> 00:31:01,121
He cuts her up...
599
00:31:01,123 --> 00:31:03,058
dismembers her body,
600
00:31:03,060 --> 00:31:05,862
then hires two guys to take
the body and get rid of it --
601
00:31:05,864 --> 00:31:07,730
throws it into the harbor.
602
00:31:07,732 --> 00:31:08,730
God.
603
00:31:08,732 --> 00:31:10,930
A few days later,
604
00:31:10,932 --> 00:31:14,698
her body washes up
very close to the house.
605
00:31:17,903 --> 00:31:20,940
Now, I've got a picture of her.
606
00:31:20,942 --> 00:31:23,910
And she's a pretty girl, too.
607
00:31:25,710 --> 00:31:27,511
Oh, my God.
608
00:31:29,114 --> 00:31:31,214
Well, I did do a sketch of her.
609
00:31:33,311 --> 00:31:34,951
And this is the same girl
that jumped you?
610
00:31:34,953 --> 00:31:35,951
Yes.
611
00:31:43,965 --> 00:31:46,399
You take a look at that.
612
00:31:52,173 --> 00:31:55,209
Without question, that's her.
613
00:31:55,211 --> 00:31:57,243
Wow.
614
00:31:57,245 --> 00:32:00,848
The eyes, the eyes.
615
00:32:00,850 --> 00:32:03,852
Mm-hmm.
616
00:32:03,854 --> 00:32:04,954
That's horrible.
617
00:32:04,956 --> 00:32:09,861
I mean, I can't even
put words to that.
618
00:32:15,566 --> 00:32:17,736
Steve: What else did you see
on your walk?
619
00:32:17,738 --> 00:32:19,903
So, I came into the house,
620
00:32:19,905 --> 00:32:24,777
and in the kitchen,
I see this elderly woman.
621
00:32:26,614 --> 00:32:31,717
And she is filled with
resentment, hatred, bitterness.
622
00:32:31,719 --> 00:32:36,590
She was very cold and distant
in life.
623
00:32:36,592 --> 00:32:38,426
One of the things
that she expressed
624
00:32:38,428 --> 00:32:41,896
was that she absolutely
disdains humanity
625
00:32:41,898 --> 00:32:45,898
and that when she was alive
she had repressed that.
626
00:32:45,900 --> 00:32:50,471
She told me that she lived here,
I think, in the '50s,
627
00:32:50,473 --> 00:32:53,940
that she was a housewife.
628
00:32:53,942 --> 00:32:58,348
You mentioned your mom wasn't
always that great, that nice.
629
00:33:00,450 --> 00:33:04,554
Yeah, my mother kind of
didn't like a lot of people.
630
00:33:04,556 --> 00:33:06,723
She kind of ruled the roost
a lot.
631
00:33:06,725 --> 00:33:09,424
She didn't like anybody.
[ Chuckles ]
632
00:33:09,426 --> 00:33:10,893
I'm trying to be gracious.
633
00:33:10,895 --> 00:33:13,930
She actually said that she loved
the dog better than my children.
634
00:33:13,932 --> 00:33:15,399
Steve: Really?
635
00:33:16,736 --> 00:33:19,671
You said you got a good look?
636
00:33:19,673 --> 00:33:21,940
Mm-hmm.
637
00:33:27,613 --> 00:33:29,413
Wow.
638
00:33:30,248 --> 00:33:32,652
Is that who you saw?
639
00:33:32,654 --> 00:33:35,055
Yeah.
That looks like her.
640
00:33:36,123 --> 00:33:37,889
But definitely older.
641
00:33:40,227 --> 00:33:42,762
She didn't want you to
have the house, either.
642
00:33:42,764 --> 00:33:44,230
No, mnh-mnh.
643
00:33:44,232 --> 00:33:47,297
When she found out the house
was sold and the papers passed,
644
00:33:47,299 --> 00:33:51,271
she just was really upset
and left me a voicemail.
645
00:33:51,273 --> 00:33:54,005
She said
I stole the effing house.
646
00:33:54,007 --> 00:33:57,644
And she doesn't give an "f"
what I think.
647
00:33:57,646 --> 00:34:00,745
And "f" me,
and "f" everyone else.
648
00:34:00,747 --> 00:34:02,945
And use your imagination.
649
00:34:04,147 --> 00:34:05,748
Well, all I know is
650
00:34:05,750 --> 00:34:09,452
that the woman I met
repressed a lot of stuff,
651
00:34:09,454 --> 00:34:12,887
like did not really
give a [bleep] about anybody.
652
00:34:12,889 --> 00:34:14,056
Mm-hmm.
653
00:34:14,058 --> 00:34:15,290
Sounds right.
654
00:34:15,292 --> 00:34:17,960
What is she doing
around the house?
655
00:34:17,962 --> 00:34:19,662
Nothing good.
656
00:34:20,796 --> 00:34:24,364
She wants to scare people.
657
00:34:24,366 --> 00:34:28,336
She had made herself
about seven to eight feet tall.
658
00:34:28,338 --> 00:34:30,768
Like, she was showing me
659
00:34:30,770 --> 00:34:34,506
this monstrous, disgusting,
deformed thing.
660
00:34:34,508 --> 00:34:39,674
And that helps her to frighten
and cause fear and all of that.
661
00:34:39,676 --> 00:34:43,682
I know she can get physical
in the house to people.
662
00:34:43,684 --> 00:34:46,152
Like,
upstairs in the master bedroom,
663
00:34:46,154 --> 00:34:48,218
I saw her
coming through the wall.
664
00:34:48,220 --> 00:34:51,154
And she'll, like,
slink down onto the floor
665
00:34:51,156 --> 00:34:52,924
and then come up the bed
666
00:34:52,926 --> 00:34:56,163
and, like, attempt to strangle
667
00:34:56,165 --> 00:34:58,231
the female
that sleeps in the bed.
668
00:35:00,968 --> 00:35:04,370
The other thing
that she tries to do is,
669
00:35:04,372 --> 00:35:08,544
she likes to enter nightmares
and create them.
670
00:35:08,546 --> 00:35:13,380
And what she'll do
is get in there
671
00:35:13,382 --> 00:35:15,250
and literally make the people
672
00:35:15,252 --> 00:35:16,985
feel like
they're being chased by her.
673
00:35:16,987 --> 00:35:19,418
Now, you guys
are sleeping in there,
674
00:35:19,420 --> 00:35:21,383
and you're having nightmares
every frigging night.
675
00:35:21,385 --> 00:35:23,085
Nicholas: Yeah.
676
00:35:23,087 --> 00:35:25,690
I've had nightmares,
vivid nightmares.
677
00:35:25,692 --> 00:35:28,357
It's always something violent.
678
00:35:28,359 --> 00:35:32,693
Last night, I had one
of a parachute jump go wrong.
679
00:35:32,695 --> 00:35:35,996
There was also
boating accidents,
680
00:35:35,998 --> 00:35:37,694
just horrible things like that.
681
00:35:37,696 --> 00:35:41,498
Steve: Now, you mentioned that
it can get physical.
682
00:35:41,500 --> 00:35:45,203
This is a picture of Nathaniel.
683
00:35:45,205 --> 00:35:46,736
Oh, okay.
684
00:35:46,738 --> 00:35:50,042
And he's been woken up
with scratches on him.
685
00:35:50,044 --> 00:35:51,976
Wow.
686
00:35:53,278 --> 00:35:55,747
It's happened a few times.
687
00:35:55,749 --> 00:35:58,284
Another time, I put him to bed,
688
00:35:58,286 --> 00:36:01,985
and he woke up in the morning,
and he had a long 8-inch scratch
689
00:36:01,987 --> 00:36:04,220
right from the groin area
all the way down.
690
00:36:05,857 --> 00:36:08,757
Is she capable of doing this
on Nathaniel like that?
691
00:36:08,759 --> 00:36:11,994
Very possible.
692
00:36:11,996 --> 00:36:14,062
Very.
693
00:36:14,064 --> 00:36:17,166
Because what she's doing now
is just inflicting pain,
694
00:36:17,168 --> 00:36:20,302
like, whether it's mentally,
emotionally, physically.
695
00:36:20,304 --> 00:36:23,237
And now, she definitely
has her sights set
696
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:25,774
on two individuals
in the house.
697
00:36:25,776 --> 00:36:28,245
One was the young boy.
698
00:36:28,247 --> 00:36:31,347
And the other
is the lady of the house.
699
00:36:33,650 --> 00:36:35,785
You're the only lady
in the house.
700
00:36:35,787 --> 00:36:36,986
Mm-hmm.
701
00:36:36,988 --> 00:36:38,287
Oh, boy.
702
00:36:41,257 --> 00:36:43,391
What I got was that, you know,
703
00:36:43,393 --> 00:36:45,559
she's trying to, like, you know,
really strangle you,
704
00:36:45,561 --> 00:36:46,826
like, to death...
705
00:36:49,530 --> 00:36:54,601
...and that she wants to get you
and then go after him.
706
00:36:56,069 --> 00:36:58,472
I definitely got the sense
707
00:36:58,474 --> 00:37:00,275
that she would go after him
big-time, too.
708
00:37:00,277 --> 00:37:02,875
I feel sick right now.
709
00:37:24,666 --> 00:37:26,183
Amy: She's trying to, like,
you know,
710
00:37:26,303 --> 00:37:29,303
really strangle you,
like, to death.
711
00:37:32,791 --> 00:37:36,130
And she wants to get you
and then go after him.
712
00:37:39,103 --> 00:37:42,001
I feel sick right now.
713
00:37:51,450 --> 00:37:52,951
Steve:
You don't look surprised.
714
00:37:52,953 --> 00:37:54,319
Nicholas: No.
715
00:37:54,321 --> 00:37:56,254
I know the whole family,
716
00:37:56,256 --> 00:37:59,022
and I saw what she did
to, basically, all of them.
717
00:38:08,868 --> 00:38:10,569
You okay?
718
00:38:10,571 --> 00:38:12,171
Cynthia: Yeah.
719
00:38:12,173 --> 00:38:15,841
This is probably one of the
hardest reveals I've ever done.
720
00:38:18,410 --> 00:38:20,443
Did you feel abused
when you were a kid?
721
00:38:20,445 --> 00:38:23,479
Oh, yeah. Absolutely.
Oh, absolutely.
722
00:38:25,249 --> 00:38:28,181
I'm just surprised
with Nathaniel.
723
00:38:29,883 --> 00:38:31,284
She was always like that.
724
00:38:31,286 --> 00:38:32,955
I mean,
does she really feel like
725
00:38:32,957 --> 00:38:35,293
you guys just ruined her life,
or what?
726
00:38:35,295 --> 00:38:38,163
Oh, yeah.
She had a hot temper, for sure.
727
00:38:41,334 --> 00:38:44,036
Steve: Well, I know this isn't
what you wanted to hear.
728
00:38:44,038 --> 00:38:47,642
I know it's something
I didn't want to hear, either.
729
00:38:47,644 --> 00:38:49,578
The big question left is,
730
00:38:49,580 --> 00:38:52,112
is it safe for you
to raise Nathaniel in the house?
731
00:38:53,848 --> 00:38:56,382
For that, I'm going to
turn it over to Amy.
732
00:38:57,950 --> 00:39:00,052
What you need to deal with
733
00:39:00,054 --> 00:39:04,022
is getting rid of
unwanted visitors, so to speak.
734
00:39:05,759 --> 00:39:11,067
So, therefore, we kind of
want to put her to rest
735
00:39:11,069 --> 00:39:13,068
so that you're not going to
have to deal with her.
736
00:39:13,070 --> 00:39:16,838
Because my fear is that if
you don't take care of her now,
737
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,745
it's going to get worse.
738
00:39:19,747 --> 00:39:21,880
It could be so debilitating,
739
00:39:21,882 --> 00:39:25,351
I don't know
if you could get her out.
740
00:39:27,121 --> 00:39:29,655
My suggestion is
741
00:39:29,657 --> 00:39:32,761
to get an individual
that is a mental medium.
742
00:39:32,763 --> 00:39:37,030
A mental medium
is a type of medium
743
00:39:37,032 --> 00:39:42,534
that does not feel
the individual's death.
744
00:39:42,536 --> 00:39:48,169
Therefore, they won't be
as impacted by her.
745
00:39:48,171 --> 00:39:50,504
So, what is this mental medium
going to do?
746
00:39:50,506 --> 00:39:55,007
I would suggest
that they go in your backyard,
747
00:39:55,009 --> 00:39:58,340
talk to her over two days.
748
00:39:58,342 --> 00:40:01,478
What they're basically going to
be talking to her about
749
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:05,985
is letting her
tell them her story
750
00:40:05,987 --> 00:40:09,352
to help her to move on.
751
00:40:09,354 --> 00:40:11,589
Will she leave at that point?
752
00:40:11,591 --> 00:40:13,091
Yes.
753
00:40:13,093 --> 00:40:16,459
So, it sounds like the biggest
problem here is your mom.
754
00:40:16,461 --> 00:40:18,593
Mm-hmm.
755
00:40:18,595 --> 00:40:21,801
As far as she's concerned,
756
00:40:21,803 --> 00:40:26,073
what I would suggest doing
is writing a letter to her.
757
00:40:26,075 --> 00:40:30,815
In this letter,
I would like you to focus
758
00:40:30,817 --> 00:40:33,619
on what she is no longer allowed
to do,
759
00:40:33,621 --> 00:40:36,222
that she is no longer allowed
760
00:40:36,224 --> 00:40:41,466
to control you, your home,
your family, or your dreams,
761
00:40:41,468 --> 00:40:46,773
that you are taking back
the power and control
762
00:40:46,775 --> 00:40:49,142
of your home and your family.
763
00:40:49,144 --> 00:40:52,145
And then,
have a physical medium,
764
00:40:52,147 --> 00:40:55,945
which is somebody like me,
come to the home.
765
00:40:55,947 --> 00:40:59,649
And you and this physical medium
are going to deal with her.
766
00:40:59,651 --> 00:41:04,051
Then, you're going to
read your letter.
767
00:41:04,053 --> 00:41:05,787
I want you to yell.
I do.
768
00:41:05,789 --> 00:41:08,388
I feel like you need to
fricking yell at her.
769
00:41:08,390 --> 00:41:11,657
Don't let her stop you.
770
00:41:11,659 --> 00:41:13,358
I don't care whether you feel
like you're going to throw up.
771
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:14,659
I don't care
if you do throw up.
772
00:41:14,661 --> 00:41:17,997
I don't care what happens
773
00:41:17,999 --> 00:41:22,169
as long as you finish
what you write.
774
00:41:22,171 --> 00:41:24,406
Right.
Once you're done,
775
00:41:24,408 --> 00:41:29,510
then you tell that physical
medium, "Get rid of her."
776
00:41:32,915 --> 00:41:35,416
Are you afraid to do this?
777
00:41:36,685 --> 00:41:38,586
Uh, anxious.
778
00:41:38,588 --> 00:41:41,324
Once I get started,
I'll be on a roll.
779
00:41:42,427 --> 00:41:44,495
I see how protective you are
of him.
780
00:41:44,497 --> 00:41:46,129
Yes. I am very much.
781
00:41:46,131 --> 00:41:48,699
What about you? Are you
going to take Amy's advice?
782
00:41:48,701 --> 00:41:50,935
Yes, definitely.
783
00:41:50,937 --> 00:41:52,770
I look forward to it.
784
00:41:52,772 --> 00:41:55,640
Amy: Cynthia has her work
cut out for her.
785
00:41:55,642 --> 00:41:59,175
But I believe if she's able
to stand up to her mother,
786
00:41:59,177 --> 00:42:02,246
she'll free her family of
the evil that's tormenting them
787
00:42:02,248 --> 00:42:05,183
and they'll be able to
live a peaceful life.
788
00:42:05,303 --> 00:42:11,296
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