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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:11,159 --> 00:00:15,160 She can go into people's bodies. 2 00:00:15,162 --> 00:00:17,235 Said the ghost has scratched him. 3 00:00:17,237 --> 00:00:20,342 I yelled at whatever was here, "Leave!" 4 00:00:20,344 --> 00:00:22,743 Something is so physically wrong with her. 5 00:00:24,879 --> 00:00:27,181 The body was chopped up and thrown into the harbor. 6 00:00:27,183 --> 00:00:30,052 This is un-[bleep]-bearable. 7 00:00:30,054 --> 00:00:32,787 So much pain! 8 00:00:33,958 --> 00:00:35,729 It's really bad in here. 9 00:00:35,731 --> 00:00:38,768 My name is Amy Allan. 10 00:00:38,770 --> 00:00:40,972 Something is not right. 11 00:00:40,974 --> 00:00:42,109 I see dead people. 12 00:00:42,111 --> 00:00:44,280 This person might have been a serial killer. 13 00:00:44,282 --> 00:00:46,181 I speak to dead people. 14 00:00:46,183 --> 00:00:47,718 You get those chills. 15 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:49,289 And they speak to me. 16 00:00:49,291 --> 00:00:51,830 He is darkness. He is evil. 17 00:00:51,832 --> 00:00:54,839 But there's only one way to know if my findings are real. 18 00:00:54,841 --> 00:00:56,508 I think she broke her neck. 19 00:00:56,510 --> 00:00:57,876 I rely on my partner. 20 00:00:57,878 --> 00:00:59,578 I'm Steve di Shiavi. 21 00:00:59,580 --> 00:01:01,681 I'm a retired New York City Homicide detective. 22 00:01:01,683 --> 00:01:03,218 You telling me the truth? 23 00:01:03,220 --> 00:01:06,791 And I know every person, every house has secrets. 24 00:01:06,793 --> 00:01:08,427 I think the devil is down here. 25 00:01:08,429 --> 00:01:09,929 It's my job to reveal them. 26 00:01:09,931 --> 00:01:11,097 Who the hell would do this? 27 00:01:11,099 --> 00:01:13,535 But Steve and I never speak... 28 00:01:13,537 --> 00:01:15,504 we never communicate during an investigation. 29 00:01:15,506 --> 00:01:16,871 ...until the very end. 30 00:01:16,873 --> 00:01:18,242 Who's he looking to kill? 31 00:01:18,244 --> 00:01:20,214 We uncover if it's safe for you to stay... 32 00:01:20,216 --> 00:01:22,516 You need to get out of here right now. 33 00:01:22,518 --> 00:01:23,618 Or time to get out. 34 00:01:23,620 --> 00:01:26,425 It was like endless darkness. 35 00:01:26,427 --> 00:01:36,629 Sync & corrections by honeybunny www.addic7ed.com 36 00:01:40,813 --> 00:01:43,787 Steve: Amy and I conduct separate investigations. 37 00:01:45,025 --> 00:01:47,660 I hear what living witnesses have to say 38 00:01:47,662 --> 00:01:51,032 and uncover any secrets buried in the property's past 39 00:01:51,034 --> 00:01:53,773 while Amy talks with the dead. 40 00:01:53,775 --> 00:01:56,580 I'm in historic Winthrop, Massachusetts. 41 00:01:56,582 --> 00:01:59,351 It's about 15 minutes outside of Boston. 42 00:01:59,353 --> 00:02:01,989 Amy and I got called in by a woman named Cynthia. 43 00:02:01,991 --> 00:02:04,056 Now, she was hysterical on the phone. 44 00:02:05,392 --> 00:02:07,393 She says that whatever's in the house 45 00:02:07,395 --> 00:02:10,731 is attacking her 14-year-old son, who has special needs. 46 00:02:10,733 --> 00:02:12,534 She says if we can't help, 47 00:02:12,536 --> 00:02:14,336 she's afraid what's going to happen next. 48 00:02:22,043 --> 00:02:24,011 Matthew: Before Amy arrives, 49 00:02:24,013 --> 00:02:26,982 I look for anything that could reveal information to her, 50 00:02:26,984 --> 00:02:29,486 like family photographs. 51 00:02:29,488 --> 00:02:31,988 Once I conceal them all, 52 00:02:31,990 --> 00:02:34,692 the location will be ready for tonight's walk. 53 00:02:44,072 --> 00:02:47,309 [ Voice breaking ] I don't feel good. 54 00:02:49,348 --> 00:02:51,280 [ Crying ] 55 00:02:51,282 --> 00:02:53,548 There's some woman there. 56 00:02:53,550 --> 00:02:56,051 She's making me so sick. 57 00:02:57,788 --> 00:03:00,889 Amy: The dead know I'm coming long before I do. 58 00:03:00,891 --> 00:03:03,459 And one dead woman from this location 59 00:03:03,461 --> 00:03:05,927 is desperate to have her story told. 60 00:03:05,929 --> 00:03:08,930 Oh, man. That is some pain, man. 61 00:03:08,932 --> 00:03:12,900 She's jumped me, entered my body. 62 00:03:12,902 --> 00:03:15,201 And I'm experiencing her pain, 63 00:03:15,203 --> 00:03:19,039 which is so intense that I'm scared for my safety. 64 00:03:20,475 --> 00:03:23,276 [ Sighs ] This is not good. 65 00:03:26,448 --> 00:03:31,887 This woman that showed up, she is very sick. 66 00:03:31,889 --> 00:03:37,060 [ Voice breaking ] She's obviously inconsolable 67 00:03:37,062 --> 00:03:39,694 and in so much pain. 68 00:03:41,598 --> 00:03:44,400 This is un-[bleep]-bearable. 69 00:03:53,910 --> 00:03:56,946 Steve: Cynthia, you sounded really concerned on the phone. 70 00:03:56,948 --> 00:04:02,314 We've had a lot of noises, tapping, banging. 71 00:04:02,316 --> 00:04:05,451 I've seen things, shadows. 72 00:04:05,453 --> 00:04:07,820 But, really, the reason why I've called 73 00:04:07,822 --> 00:04:10,423 is my youngest son, Nathaniel. 74 00:04:10,425 --> 00:04:13,262 He's 14 and is in the autism spectrum. 75 00:04:13,264 --> 00:04:15,995 And I really feel this is affecting him. 76 00:04:15,997 --> 00:04:18,097 Okay. In what way? 77 00:04:18,099 --> 00:04:21,333 Well, he's actually been scratched a few times. 78 00:04:21,335 --> 00:04:22,467 He's frightened. 79 00:04:22,469 --> 00:04:24,938 And he's not quite the same anymore, 80 00:04:24,940 --> 00:04:26,539 since we've moved in here. 81 00:04:26,541 --> 00:04:28,906 He was a fun kid, really outgoing. 82 00:04:28,908 --> 00:04:29,974 Okay. 83 00:04:29,976 --> 00:04:31,644 I called him the mayor. 84 00:04:31,646 --> 00:04:34,345 He would be all bubbly and talk to anyone. 85 00:04:34,347 --> 00:04:37,245 And he's just different. 86 00:04:37,247 --> 00:04:39,680 There's no joy anymore. 87 00:04:39,682 --> 00:04:42,948 I'm so mad to see him afraid. 88 00:04:42,950 --> 00:04:45,082 And I yelled at whatever was here to leave him alone. 89 00:04:45,084 --> 00:04:47,815 "My home, my child. 90 00:04:47,817 --> 00:04:49,449 Leave." 91 00:04:49,451 --> 00:04:50,850 It didn't cut it. 92 00:04:50,852 --> 00:04:54,184 I don't know what to do for him anymore. I really don't. 93 00:04:57,787 --> 00:05:01,055 This girl that jumped me, 94 00:05:01,057 --> 00:05:05,456 she can go into people's bodies very easily. 95 00:05:05,458 --> 00:05:08,961 So, I had to, like, disconnect a little bit 96 00:05:08,963 --> 00:05:13,100 because she was making me so sick. 97 00:05:19,838 --> 00:05:21,974 [ Sniffles ] 98 00:05:23,776 --> 00:05:27,712 She inadvertently jumps people. 99 00:05:27,714 --> 00:05:29,914 And she is seeking help. 100 00:05:29,916 --> 00:05:33,016 Unfortunately, her presence 101 00:05:33,018 --> 00:05:39,160 can make people feel very, very depressed... 102 00:05:39,162 --> 00:05:42,259 And suicidal. 103 00:05:45,127 --> 00:05:47,429 So, now, who lives in the house with you? 104 00:05:47,431 --> 00:05:50,333 Well, my husband lives here with myself and Nathaniel. 105 00:05:50,335 --> 00:05:52,265 And I have two older sons that live here, as well. 106 00:05:52,267 --> 00:05:53,597 Okay. 107 00:05:53,599 --> 00:05:56,598 And this was my parents' house, and I grew up here. 108 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:58,834 Oh, okay. 109 00:05:58,836 --> 00:06:00,970 And I wanted to come back to my home. 110 00:06:00,972 --> 00:06:03,039 Well, did you have any experiences when you were... 111 00:06:03,041 --> 00:06:04,174 Yes. 112 00:06:04,176 --> 00:06:06,110 As soon as my parents bought this house, 113 00:06:06,112 --> 00:06:07,312 we all had experiences. 114 00:06:07,314 --> 00:06:10,182 Did you have any hesitation about buying it, then? 115 00:06:10,184 --> 00:06:11,651 Yeah. 116 00:06:11,653 --> 00:06:13,486 I had a catholic priest come in, 117 00:06:13,488 --> 00:06:15,689 bless the house, and pray for Nathaniel. 118 00:06:15,691 --> 00:06:18,794 And I was confident that that would be sufficient. 119 00:06:18,796 --> 00:06:21,432 Now I do feel guilty. 120 00:06:21,434 --> 00:06:22,467 Okay. 121 00:06:22,469 --> 00:06:24,300 Your parents have both passed away? 122 00:06:24,302 --> 00:06:25,834 Yeah. This is my dad. 123 00:06:25,836 --> 00:06:29,205 He passed away here at home in '95. 124 00:06:29,207 --> 00:06:31,941 He had pancreatic cancer. 125 00:06:31,943 --> 00:06:33,342 Ah, geez. 126 00:06:33,344 --> 00:06:35,544 So, now, he passes. What about mom? 127 00:06:36,815 --> 00:06:39,348 She passed in the nursing home. 128 00:06:39,350 --> 00:06:42,684 When I bought the house, she was very upset. 129 00:06:42,686 --> 00:06:44,656 Okay. Was there a reason for that? 130 00:06:44,658 --> 00:06:46,224 I have no idea. 131 00:06:46,226 --> 00:06:48,426 After it closed, she left me a message 132 00:06:48,428 --> 00:06:50,797 that she didn't want me to have the house. 133 00:06:50,799 --> 00:06:52,665 Yeah, but it's to her daughter. 134 00:06:52,667 --> 00:06:54,030 She made it quite clear. 135 00:06:54,032 --> 00:06:56,030 Okay. Did you get along with your mom? 136 00:06:56,032 --> 00:06:57,301 Um... 137 00:06:57,551 --> 00:07:00,783 she was a very irritable-type person. 138 00:07:00,785 --> 00:07:04,322 She had a really bad temper. 139 00:07:04,324 --> 00:07:06,026 Okay. 140 00:07:06,028 --> 00:07:09,027 Did you ever resolve your mother 141 00:07:09,029 --> 00:07:10,797 being upset with you buying the house? 142 00:07:10,799 --> 00:07:12,833 No, not at all. 143 00:07:19,574 --> 00:07:21,743 There is an old lady. 144 00:07:22,719 --> 00:07:25,615 She watches. She's always like this... 145 00:07:27,619 --> 00:07:33,589 Her thing is that if she showed herself for real, 146 00:07:33,591 --> 00:07:36,261 nobody would be afraid of her. 147 00:07:36,263 --> 00:07:38,396 Because who's going to be afraid of a little old lady? 148 00:07:38,398 --> 00:07:41,097 So, she makes herself tall. 149 00:07:41,099 --> 00:07:42,766 Like, if she stands straight up, 150 00:07:42,768 --> 00:07:45,168 she can put her head through the ceiling. 151 00:07:45,170 --> 00:07:50,372 She has, like, a long, spindly, like, neck 152 00:07:50,374 --> 00:07:52,639 and, like, skeleton legs. 153 00:07:52,641 --> 00:07:57,912 It's a very strange composition of pieces. 154 00:07:59,849 --> 00:08:05,820 She's angry, bitter, resentful, hateful. 155 00:08:05,822 --> 00:08:12,192 And when this lady was alive, she was very distant and cold. 156 00:08:12,194 --> 00:08:15,829 She hates humanity in general. 157 00:08:15,831 --> 00:08:18,964 And, you know, she had to, like, hide that. 158 00:08:18,966 --> 00:08:22,035 Do you know when she's from? 159 00:08:24,172 --> 00:08:28,144 She says that she was alive in the '50s. 160 00:08:28,146 --> 00:08:30,110 Okay. 161 00:08:30,112 --> 00:08:33,651 And she was a housewife. 162 00:08:39,959 --> 00:08:42,160 Why'd you bring me in this room? 163 00:08:42,162 --> 00:08:45,342 Well, Nathaniel won't go in his room -- frightened to death. 164 00:08:45,462 --> 00:08:48,868 So, we had to trade bedrooms. 165 00:08:48,870 --> 00:08:51,568 My husband and I are now sleeping in his room. 166 00:08:53,839 --> 00:08:55,676 That was my bedroom as a child. 167 00:08:55,678 --> 00:08:57,710 The bedroom set that's in there now, 168 00:08:57,712 --> 00:09:00,046 that actually was my parents' bedroom set. 169 00:09:00,048 --> 00:09:02,051 Oh, really? When they passed, I kept it. 170 00:09:02,053 --> 00:09:03,786 Okay. That's interesting. 171 00:09:03,788 --> 00:09:06,154 Now, are things any better for you 172 00:09:06,156 --> 00:09:07,060 that you're in the other room? 173 00:09:07,180 --> 00:09:09,360 No, actually. 174 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:13,028 I've been having terrible nightmares, you know, 175 00:09:13,030 --> 00:09:15,931 where someone gets injured in a boating accident 176 00:09:15,933 --> 00:09:18,033 or crossing the road and getting hit. 177 00:09:18,035 --> 00:09:20,013 It's just... they're violent accidents. 178 00:09:20,131 --> 00:09:22,631 And I'm not one to dream like that. 179 00:09:22,633 --> 00:09:25,699 Are you taking any medication that may cause weird dreams? 180 00:09:25,701 --> 00:09:27,001 No, nothing at all. 181 00:09:27,003 --> 00:09:28,604 How are you living like this? 182 00:09:28,606 --> 00:09:30,006 It's terrible. 183 00:09:30,008 --> 00:09:32,675 Here I am, an adult, and I sleep with a night-light in there. 184 00:09:39,816 --> 00:09:44,153 I do feel like a child is being chased... 185 00:09:44,155 --> 00:09:45,587 and a woman. 186 00:09:45,589 --> 00:09:49,727 Like, emotionally, they're getting chased here. 187 00:09:49,729 --> 00:09:51,798 Matthew: What do you mean? 188 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:54,367 I don't know how to explain it. 189 00:09:54,369 --> 00:09:58,503 Are they being chased in their nightmares, maybe? 190 00:10:08,013 --> 00:10:10,985 Oh, she likes this room. 191 00:10:14,088 --> 00:10:15,622 Mm. 192 00:10:15,624 --> 00:10:18,893 She does things in the bed. 193 00:10:18,895 --> 00:10:24,900 She likes to stand right here, slide down real slow, 194 00:10:24,902 --> 00:10:29,137 and then, like, be on the floor, all the way on the floor. 195 00:10:29,139 --> 00:10:31,874 And then, she'll like -- you know, she'll strangle. 196 00:10:31,876 --> 00:10:35,110 But when she touches her, she takes her life. 197 00:10:37,048 --> 00:10:39,151 What do you mean? 198 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:42,819 She is going to kill her. 199 00:11:07,324 --> 00:11:10,362 So, Nicholas, I understand that this was Nathaniel's room, 200 00:11:10,364 --> 00:11:12,197 but you're sleeping in here? Yes. 201 00:11:12,199 --> 00:11:13,463 So, let me ask you, 202 00:11:13,465 --> 00:11:15,098 what was the breaking point for him to move out of here? 203 00:11:15,100 --> 00:11:16,700 Well, one night, in the middle of the night, 204 00:11:16,702 --> 00:11:18,469 he came running into our room 205 00:11:18,471 --> 00:11:20,771 and said, "There's a guy in my room" -- 206 00:11:20,773 --> 00:11:23,904 a shadow man, shadow figure, however he said it. 207 00:11:23,906 --> 00:11:25,206 And he wouldn't come back in his room. 208 00:11:25,208 --> 00:11:26,475 He said, "I'm not going back in there. 209 00:11:26,477 --> 00:11:28,843 I'm not sleeping in there again." 210 00:11:28,845 --> 00:11:30,614 Got to figure out what's going on here. 211 00:11:30,616 --> 00:11:31,985 This is too much. 212 00:11:31,987 --> 00:11:34,490 Your wife said he was getting physically attacked. 213 00:11:34,492 --> 00:11:36,124 Well, actually, one day, he woke up. 214 00:11:36,126 --> 00:11:38,360 And then he came and says, "Mommy, look at my arm." 215 00:11:38,362 --> 00:11:41,798 And we took a picture, and that's what we saw. 216 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:44,102 And I said, "What happened?" 217 00:11:44,104 --> 00:11:45,471 He says, "A ghost did it." 218 00:11:45,473 --> 00:11:47,907 He said the ghost had scratched him. 219 00:11:47,909 --> 00:11:49,910 Did you guys question him about that? 220 00:11:49,912 --> 00:11:52,916 Yeah. I mean, my first thing is, like, 221 00:11:52,918 --> 00:11:54,988 "Maybe you scratched yourself when you're sleeping." 222 00:11:54,990 --> 00:11:56,790 He said no, he wasn't. He was pretty adamant. 223 00:11:56,792 --> 00:11:58,490 He says, "I wasn't sleeping." 224 00:11:58,492 --> 00:12:00,927 There's no way he would ever make up anything 225 00:12:00,929 --> 00:12:03,666 or do that and then tell us something else. 226 00:12:07,171 --> 00:12:11,744 The old lady, she likes it in this area. 227 00:12:13,081 --> 00:12:14,882 She wants to freak people out 228 00:12:14,884 --> 00:12:17,519 and make them leave and not come in here. 229 00:12:22,824 --> 00:12:30,062 She is very, very proud of inflicting pain. 230 00:12:30,064 --> 00:12:31,831 What kind of pain? 231 00:12:31,833 --> 00:12:35,101 People get scratched here. 232 00:12:36,602 --> 00:12:39,134 What about yourself? Are you having any experiences? 233 00:12:39,136 --> 00:12:41,771 Well, the first night I came in here, I had a nightmare. 234 00:12:41,773 --> 00:12:45,307 I thought it was real, the most vivid dream I probably ever had. 235 00:12:45,309 --> 00:12:46,674 I was looking up at a plane. 236 00:12:46,676 --> 00:12:48,109 The plane started coming down 237 00:12:48,111 --> 00:12:51,642 and, you know, exploded, right into the ground. 238 00:12:51,644 --> 00:12:55,313 Dreams, like, with screaming people in it and violence. 239 00:12:55,315 --> 00:12:58,183 It's kind of interesting how you and your wife 240 00:12:58,185 --> 00:13:01,086 are having the same type of dreams. 241 00:13:01,088 --> 00:13:03,257 Is it just dreams you're experiencing? No. 242 00:13:03,259 --> 00:13:06,830 One night, I woke up wide awake about 3:00 in the morning. 243 00:13:06,832 --> 00:13:09,328 I looked up, and I saw a shadow. 244 00:13:09,330 --> 00:13:12,165 And it was going back and forth across the top of the door. 245 00:13:12,167 --> 00:13:14,269 Like, you could see it blocking the light. 246 00:13:14,271 --> 00:13:16,704 It was about a minute, at least a minute. 247 00:13:16,706 --> 00:13:20,205 And then I got up, and I started to come over here. 248 00:13:20,207 --> 00:13:21,740 And there was nothing here. 249 00:13:21,742 --> 00:13:24,947 This stuff is confusing to me. 250 00:13:24,949 --> 00:13:26,515 We've prayed. 251 00:13:26,517 --> 00:13:28,652 And the priest across the street, 252 00:13:28,654 --> 00:13:31,155 he came in and blessed the house and prayed for Nathaniel. 253 00:13:31,157 --> 00:13:36,395 What I've done, you know, isn't the answer. 254 00:13:36,397 --> 00:13:39,363 So, to me, this would be like a last resort, even, 255 00:13:39,365 --> 00:13:40,698 you know, you guys here. 256 00:13:40,700 --> 00:13:44,569 I believe, like, pretty basic, like, black and white, 257 00:13:44,571 --> 00:13:47,538 like angels and demons, you know, good and bad. 258 00:13:47,540 --> 00:13:50,373 Right. What do you think this is? 259 00:13:50,375 --> 00:13:51,542 There's something wrong. 260 00:13:54,348 --> 00:13:56,517 There's something else that's going on here 261 00:13:56,519 --> 00:13:59,957 with these doors, this hallway. 262 00:14:01,328 --> 00:14:04,228 I'm thinking right now it's the old lady. 263 00:14:04,230 --> 00:14:07,866 Why is she so weird about how she moves? 264 00:14:07,868 --> 00:14:09,867 Mm. She says... Oh, no, yeah. 265 00:14:09,869 --> 00:14:12,800 That adds to, like, the creepy, creepy factor. 266 00:14:14,935 --> 00:14:17,337 She's a sociopath. 267 00:14:18,804 --> 00:14:22,036 She's chasing them, these two people. 268 00:14:22,038 --> 00:14:24,672 One is the living woman. 269 00:14:24,674 --> 00:14:28,908 And the other one, I think it's a boy. 270 00:14:35,147 --> 00:14:36,848 I was talking to mom and dad, 271 00:14:36,850 --> 00:14:38,050 and mom was telling me 272 00:14:38,052 --> 00:14:40,350 that you're having a tough time in the house. 273 00:14:40,352 --> 00:14:41,584 Nathaniel: Oh, yeah. 274 00:14:41,586 --> 00:14:45,889 When I go upstairs, it takes me a while to fall asleep 275 00:14:45,891 --> 00:14:48,125 because I feel like I'm being watched for some reason. 276 00:14:48,127 --> 00:14:52,058 And a couple times, I saw this weird black thing. 277 00:14:52,060 --> 00:14:54,529 It was just, like, an outline. 278 00:14:54,531 --> 00:14:56,366 And what did it do? 279 00:14:56,368 --> 00:14:58,366 It just stands there for like five seconds. 280 00:14:58,368 --> 00:14:59,700 And what happened? 281 00:14:59,702 --> 00:15:01,000 It just completely disappeared. 282 00:15:01,002 --> 00:15:03,269 I got so scared, 283 00:15:03,271 --> 00:15:05,638 I actually switched rooms with my parents. 284 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:07,040 Okay. 285 00:15:07,042 --> 00:15:09,541 Dad showed me a picture of a scratch on your arm. 286 00:15:09,543 --> 00:15:10,577 Yes. 287 00:15:10,579 --> 00:15:11,879 What happened? 288 00:15:11,881 --> 00:15:13,114 I felt, like, a weird burning. 289 00:15:13,116 --> 00:15:15,550 And I looked, and it was a weird scratch. 290 00:15:15,552 --> 00:15:17,452 Did the cat do it or anything? 291 00:15:17,454 --> 00:15:20,922 No, definitely not because it was perfectly fine. 292 00:15:20,924 --> 00:15:22,689 And then, like five minutes later, 293 00:15:22,691 --> 00:15:24,223 there was a weird scratch. 294 00:15:24,225 --> 00:15:26,092 Would you be afraid to be alone in the house? 295 00:15:26,094 --> 00:15:27,228 Yes, actually. 296 00:15:27,230 --> 00:15:29,098 Okay. What about your old bedroom? 297 00:15:29,100 --> 00:15:30,834 That's the worst. 298 00:15:33,468 --> 00:15:35,972 Old lady does weird [bleep] up here. 299 00:15:38,843 --> 00:15:41,010 What does she do? 300 00:15:41,012 --> 00:15:42,779 She does weird stuff on the floor up in here. 301 00:15:45,216 --> 00:15:49,685 And then, there's someone crying about it, 302 00:15:49,687 --> 00:15:52,388 being afraid about it. 303 00:15:54,759 --> 00:15:58,729 I think it takes her a lot to murder someone. 304 00:15:58,731 --> 00:16:00,731 So, she's focused on 305 00:16:00,733 --> 00:16:03,399 offing a living woman that lives here now. 306 00:16:06,836 --> 00:16:10,071 She's just kind of trying to get that done and over with. 307 00:16:10,073 --> 00:16:12,307 And then, she'll move on to the next person. 308 00:16:13,305 --> 00:16:16,910 She's definitely, like, screwing with the kid now. 309 00:16:31,837 --> 00:16:33,117 You know you're in the northeast 310 00:16:33,119 --> 00:16:34,789 when you trace the history on a property 311 00:16:34,791 --> 00:16:36,293 and it takes you back to the 1600s. 312 00:16:36,295 --> 00:16:38,766 Turns out, the first settlers on my client's property 313 00:16:38,768 --> 00:16:40,968 lived there for a couple hundred years. 314 00:16:40,970 --> 00:16:43,640 I asked a local genealogist to look into it for me, 315 00:16:43,642 --> 00:16:45,875 and he said he found something that will help my case. 316 00:16:55,184 --> 00:16:57,818 Steve: You know, Steve, this is one of the oldest deeds 317 00:16:57,820 --> 00:16:59,152 I've ever searched through. 318 00:16:59,154 --> 00:17:00,717 It goes back to the 1600s. 319 00:17:00,719 --> 00:17:03,587 And I came across the Bill and Belcher families. 320 00:17:03,589 --> 00:17:04,586 Mm-hmm. 321 00:17:04,588 --> 00:17:05,820 What can you tell me about them? 322 00:17:05,822 --> 00:17:08,822 In November of 1635, 323 00:17:08,824 --> 00:17:10,824 John Bill and his wife 324 00:17:10,826 --> 00:17:12,824 came from England with their family. 325 00:17:12,826 --> 00:17:16,624 And by 1690, the family owns most of Pullen Poynt, 326 00:17:16,626 --> 00:17:18,426 today's Winthrop. Okay. 327 00:17:18,428 --> 00:17:20,965 So, how does the Belcher family get involved? 328 00:17:20,967 --> 00:17:26,004 Well, in 1697, Hannah Bill marries Joseph Belcher. 329 00:17:26,006 --> 00:17:28,307 Okay. So, these were two pretty prominent families, then. 330 00:17:28,309 --> 00:17:30,076 Exactly. 331 00:17:30,078 --> 00:17:31,843 Now, you said there was some information on the phone 332 00:17:31,845 --> 00:17:33,578 that would help my case. What were you talking about? 333 00:17:33,580 --> 00:17:36,183 Well, I went through over 200 years of records. 334 00:17:36,185 --> 00:17:39,052 And, of course, there's deaths, standard things... 335 00:17:39,054 --> 00:17:41,555 That is until the mid-to late-1800s. 336 00:17:41,557 --> 00:17:43,525 Okay. During that period, 337 00:17:43,527 --> 00:17:47,962 a dozen Belcher children under the age of four die. 338 00:17:47,964 --> 00:17:50,166 Okay. Do you know what they died from? 339 00:17:50,168 --> 00:17:53,471 You might want to take a look at some of these death records. 340 00:17:55,340 --> 00:17:58,575 Most of it was common ailments of the time -- 341 00:17:58,577 --> 00:18:00,144 cholera, consumption, 342 00:18:00,146 --> 00:18:02,745 what we know today as tuberculosis. 343 00:18:02,747 --> 00:18:04,879 So, we're talking about some kind of an epidemic? 344 00:18:04,881 --> 00:18:06,547 No. 345 00:18:06,549 --> 00:18:11,923 But in the 1700s, there was an outbreak of smallpox. 346 00:18:11,925 --> 00:18:13,558 And that was in the area I'm investigating? 347 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:14,558 Exactly. 348 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:16,426 Okay. 349 00:18:18,393 --> 00:18:21,393 Amy: I saw the old lady. 350 00:18:21,395 --> 00:18:26,191 And then I saw these three little kids. 351 00:18:26,193 --> 00:18:30,097 And she was claiming that she killed them. 352 00:18:31,634 --> 00:18:38,072 Then I heard a man say that she didn't kill them. 353 00:18:39,778 --> 00:18:41,414 This is not a good room. 354 00:18:41,416 --> 00:18:43,782 Pain and then pain, pain. 355 00:18:43,784 --> 00:18:46,183 Blood and death and pain. 356 00:18:47,688 --> 00:18:51,023 Now that I know there was a smallpox epidemic in Winthrop, 357 00:18:51,025 --> 00:18:53,124 I need to find out more about it. 358 00:18:53,126 --> 00:18:55,293 I'm heading over to meet with a local historian. 359 00:18:55,295 --> 00:18:56,964 He says there's a direct connection 360 00:18:56,966 --> 00:18:59,433 between the outbreak and the property I'm investigating. 361 00:19:11,007 --> 00:19:13,474 So, Bob, I understand that there was a smallpox epidemic 362 00:19:13,476 --> 00:19:15,408 related to the property I'm investigating. 363 00:19:15,410 --> 00:19:16,407 Correct. 364 00:19:16,409 --> 00:19:17,975 When did it happen? 365 00:19:17,977 --> 00:19:20,010 December of 1751. 366 00:19:20,012 --> 00:19:22,145 So, how does this epidemic start? 367 00:19:22,147 --> 00:19:25,086 The ship The Bumper came into town 368 00:19:25,088 --> 00:19:26,922 and ran aground here in Winthrop. 369 00:19:26,924 --> 00:19:29,356 Captain Nicholas Cousens, 370 00:19:29,358 --> 00:19:32,159 actually, he had a crew member that was sick. 371 00:19:32,161 --> 00:19:35,066 And he quarantined him on ship prior to this crash. 372 00:19:35,068 --> 00:19:37,637 He ordered everybody off the ship. 373 00:19:37,639 --> 00:19:40,372 And then he just basically got townspeople 374 00:19:40,374 --> 00:19:42,703 to help out him unloading his ship. 375 00:19:42,705 --> 00:19:43,838 So, that's how it winds up spreading? 376 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:44,907 Correct. 377 00:19:44,909 --> 00:19:46,611 That's a scumbag move. It is. 378 00:19:46,613 --> 00:19:48,582 Over 7,500 people got infected. 379 00:19:48,584 --> 00:19:50,784 569 people died. 380 00:19:50,786 --> 00:19:52,552 Wow. 381 00:19:52,554 --> 00:19:55,457 Considering the time it was and the amount of people, 382 00:19:55,459 --> 00:19:56,826 that's a lot of people. 383 00:19:56,828 --> 00:19:58,696 A lot of people, especially around this area. 384 00:19:58,698 --> 00:20:01,030 I mean, back then, they were mainly farmers. 385 00:20:01,032 --> 00:20:03,565 What do you know about the symptoms of smallpox? 386 00:20:03,567 --> 00:20:06,304 Well, you have a high fever, body ache, 387 00:20:06,306 --> 00:20:07,906 have open sores, and stuff like that. 388 00:20:07,908 --> 00:20:09,440 And if you'll look at this picture, 389 00:20:09,442 --> 00:20:10,907 you can see how painful it can be. 390 00:20:10,909 --> 00:20:12,442 This is what a guy would look like? 391 00:20:12,444 --> 00:20:13,910 That's what it looks like. Oh, geez. 392 00:20:13,912 --> 00:20:14,911 Yeah. 393 00:20:14,913 --> 00:20:16,577 So, Bob, you mentioned on the phone 394 00:20:16,579 --> 00:20:17,978 there was a direct connection 395 00:20:17,980 --> 00:20:20,379 between the epidemic and the property I'm investigating. 396 00:20:20,381 --> 00:20:22,080 Right. Because a lot of the patients 397 00:20:22,082 --> 00:20:24,780 were actually taken to John Bill's house, 398 00:20:24,782 --> 00:20:26,182 the owner of that property. 399 00:20:26,184 --> 00:20:28,319 That took a lot of guts for this guy to do that. 400 00:20:28,321 --> 00:20:29,820 A lot of guts, yep. 401 00:20:34,322 --> 00:20:41,521 I see all of these men running up from over here. 402 00:20:44,458 --> 00:20:47,094 They're all dying. 403 00:20:47,096 --> 00:20:49,998 And they're all scared. 404 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,302 They're all white men. 405 00:20:52,304 --> 00:20:55,841 There is so much pain. 406 00:20:58,544 --> 00:21:04,585 All these dead -- these dead souls, these men. 407 00:21:04,587 --> 00:21:06,922 There's so much sadness here. 408 00:21:24,317 --> 00:21:26,988 Steve: I'm at the local library to see what else I can uncover 409 00:21:26,990 --> 00:21:28,793 about my client's property. 410 00:21:28,795 --> 00:21:30,961 Digging through old records, 411 00:21:30,963 --> 00:21:35,367 I find a young woman named Suzanna Geary who died in 1905. 412 00:21:35,369 --> 00:21:40,273 But what's really disturbing is where her body was discovered -- 413 00:21:40,275 --> 00:21:43,776 washed up onshore right by Cynthia's house. 414 00:21:44,786 --> 00:21:46,947 I'm heading over to meet with a local police lieutenant 415 00:21:46,949 --> 00:21:49,084 who I asked to look into it for me. 416 00:21:49,086 --> 00:21:52,654 He says this story is every parents' nightmare. 417 00:21:57,156 --> 00:22:00,853 Lieutenant, came across this gruesome case back in 1905. 418 00:22:01,888 --> 00:22:03,122 Body washed up on the shore 419 00:22:03,124 --> 00:22:04,824 pretty close to the property I'm investigating. 420 00:22:04,826 --> 00:22:06,059 What do you know about it? 421 00:22:06,061 --> 00:22:07,260 Suzanna Geary -- 422 00:22:07,262 --> 00:22:09,161 20-year-old dancer originally from Massachusetts 423 00:22:09,163 --> 00:22:10,962 working in a performance in Boston. 424 00:22:10,964 --> 00:22:13,401 This is a picture of her right here 425 00:22:13,403 --> 00:22:16,504 taken from a newspaper back in 1905. 426 00:22:16,506 --> 00:22:18,638 She's a pretty girl. Yeah, pretty girl. 427 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:21,642 She was going out with one of the stage managers of her production company. 428 00:22:21,644 --> 00:22:22,977 Okay. 429 00:22:22,979 --> 00:22:24,780 She became pregnant, wasn't married... 430 00:22:24,782 --> 00:22:25,947 Ah. 431 00:22:25,949 --> 00:22:27,629 ...and things started to go bad from there. 432 00:22:31,054 --> 00:22:34,657 Amy: I know that this woman is younger, 433 00:22:34,659 --> 00:22:38,559 probably in her teen or 20s. 434 00:22:38,561 --> 00:22:42,264 She has long hair about here, brown. 435 00:22:42,266 --> 00:22:46,134 She'd kind of skinny for a pregnant woman. 436 00:22:48,173 --> 00:22:51,177 The young girl who jumped me at the start of my walk 437 00:22:51,179 --> 00:22:52,545 has left my body. 438 00:22:52,547 --> 00:22:55,317 And I'm now able to see what she looked like in life. 439 00:22:55,319 --> 00:22:57,987 I'm surprised to find that she's pregnant. 440 00:22:57,989 --> 00:23:01,422 Very pretty, large, brown eyes. 441 00:23:01,424 --> 00:23:02,790 Very dark. 442 00:23:02,792 --> 00:23:04,323 Um... 443 00:23:04,325 --> 00:23:06,091 and obviously very sad. 444 00:23:09,063 --> 00:23:11,467 So, what happens next? 445 00:23:11,469 --> 00:23:13,670 Suzanna and her boyfriend, Nathan -- 446 00:23:13,672 --> 00:23:15,874 here's a sketch of him right here... 447 00:23:17,110 --> 00:23:18,644 ...they decide that having this baby 448 00:23:18,646 --> 00:23:21,111 isn't going to be the best for either of them in their careers. 449 00:23:21,113 --> 00:23:23,710 And they decide to go have an illegal abortion. 450 00:23:23,712 --> 00:23:25,548 They find a doctor in the Boston area. 451 00:23:25,550 --> 00:23:26,917 Okay. That doesn't go so well 452 00:23:26,919 --> 00:23:29,553 because she develop septicemia and peritonitis, 453 00:23:29,555 --> 00:23:31,422 two highly infectious diseases. 454 00:23:31,424 --> 00:23:33,892 They're serious today, never mind back then. 455 00:23:33,894 --> 00:23:35,629 I've heard of it. But what are the symptoms? 456 00:23:35,631 --> 00:23:37,731 You have any idea? Well, I know that a sepsis infection 457 00:23:37,733 --> 00:23:38,798 is in your bloodstream, 458 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:40,765 and it can travel throughout your body. 459 00:23:40,767 --> 00:23:43,632 Causes excruciating pain. It's a deadly disease. 460 00:23:43,634 --> 00:23:45,800 Okay. So, now, she develop this infection. 461 00:23:45,802 --> 00:23:47,601 And I assume she goes back to the doctor? 462 00:23:47,603 --> 00:23:48,803 That is correct. 463 00:23:48,805 --> 00:23:50,005 A second procedure is performed 464 00:23:50,006 --> 00:23:51,672 by this doctor, Percy McLeod. 465 00:23:51,674 --> 00:23:54,242 But they go back to the same office? 466 00:23:54,244 --> 00:23:56,477 Yes. But this is a new doctor that sees her? 467 00:23:56,479 --> 00:23:58,745 We don't know exactly who performed the first procedure. 468 00:23:58,747 --> 00:24:00,247 It could have been Dr. McLeod. 469 00:24:00,249 --> 00:24:02,683 He was trying to fix whatever went wrong with the first procedure. 470 00:24:02,685 --> 00:24:05,585 And instead of fixing it, she dies a day later. 471 00:24:12,026 --> 00:24:14,428 She was pregnant... 472 00:24:14,430 --> 00:24:16,797 and she lost the baby. 473 00:24:16,799 --> 00:24:19,362 And I think she lost her man. 474 00:24:19,364 --> 00:24:22,800 Something is so physically wrong with her. 475 00:24:22,802 --> 00:24:26,638 This woman's physical and emotional trauma is so severe 476 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,576 that I'm experiencing all of the pain she felt 477 00:24:29,578 --> 00:24:31,340 when she was alive. 478 00:24:31,342 --> 00:24:38,347 I've never felt so much pain. 479 00:24:38,349 --> 00:24:40,414 It hurt. 480 00:24:40,416 --> 00:24:42,884 It was so painful. 481 00:24:42,886 --> 00:24:47,019 Seriously, I would've [bleep] just shot myself in the head. 482 00:24:47,021 --> 00:24:48,590 [ Cries ] 483 00:24:48,592 --> 00:24:53,126 Her loss is just... 484 00:24:54,894 --> 00:24:57,393 Oh, it's really bad. 485 00:25:00,097 --> 00:25:03,362 So, how do we end up with her going DOA in a doctor's office 486 00:25:03,364 --> 00:25:04,629 to being in the water? 487 00:25:04,631 --> 00:25:06,098 I'm sure that the doctors, 488 00:25:06,100 --> 00:25:08,268 realizing that they had a dead body on their hands, 489 00:25:08,270 --> 00:25:11,901 panicked and started to try to cover up their tracks, 490 00:25:11,903 --> 00:25:13,234 try to dispose of the body 491 00:25:13,236 --> 00:25:15,367 so that no finger-pointing would be made 492 00:25:15,369 --> 00:25:17,935 that they were doing any kind of illegal activity. 493 00:25:17,937 --> 00:25:19,969 These two gentlemen here -- 494 00:25:19,971 --> 00:25:23,272 hired by the doctor to dispose of the body. 495 00:25:23,274 --> 00:25:26,374 The body was chopped up, went into suitcases, 496 00:25:26,376 --> 00:25:29,075 and thrown into the harbor. 497 00:25:29,077 --> 00:25:31,846 So, what happens next? 498 00:25:31,848 --> 00:25:35,349 Two young boys in a rowboat saw the bag floating, 499 00:25:35,351 --> 00:25:37,016 decided to bring it in. 500 00:25:37,018 --> 00:25:38,950 God knows what's inside of it. 501 00:25:38,952 --> 00:25:41,419 They bring it to shore, they open it up, 502 00:25:41,421 --> 00:25:44,256 and wrapped up inside was a torso. 503 00:25:44,258 --> 00:25:46,557 What did they do with the torso at this point? 504 00:25:46,559 --> 00:25:48,091 Well, it's right next to the cemetery. 505 00:25:48,093 --> 00:25:49,459 They bring it in to the cemetery. 506 00:25:49,461 --> 00:25:51,463 And that's right next to the house I'm investigating. 507 00:25:51,465 --> 00:25:52,799 Exactly. 508 00:25:52,801 --> 00:25:55,004 Somehow, the mother identifies it as her daughter. 509 00:25:55,006 --> 00:25:56,673 So now we have a victim. 510 00:25:56,675 --> 00:25:59,411 We found an article, actually, of divers 511 00:25:59,413 --> 00:26:00,779 looking for other evidence. 512 00:26:00,781 --> 00:26:02,883 And that's when they discovered her head. 513 00:26:02,885 --> 00:26:05,651 Oh, wow. Look at this. 514 00:26:05,653 --> 00:26:08,190 So, now, what winded up happening with the doctor? 515 00:26:08,192 --> 00:26:10,494 Did he ever get convicted or charged? 516 00:26:10,496 --> 00:26:12,827 The people that helped the doctor, they were convicted. 517 00:26:12,829 --> 00:26:14,528 They were sent to the Charlestown penitentiary 518 00:26:14,530 --> 00:26:15,597 for seven years. 519 00:26:15,599 --> 00:26:18,766 The doctor in this case, he was charged, 520 00:26:18,768 --> 00:26:20,433 but he was acquitted. 521 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:32,442 During my walk, a traumatized young woman jumped my body. 522 00:26:32,444 --> 00:26:34,343 I'm meeting with a sketch artist 523 00:26:34,345 --> 00:26:37,045 to describe how she appeared in life. 524 00:26:37,047 --> 00:26:39,880 She was on the thin side. 525 00:26:41,518 --> 00:26:46,152 Deep-brown colored eyes, very large. 526 00:26:48,053 --> 00:26:50,455 Very pointy chin. 527 00:26:54,957 --> 00:26:57,424 Yes, that's who I saw. 528 00:27:20,362 --> 00:27:23,200 Steve: Now that Amy and I have completed our investigations, 529 00:27:23,202 --> 00:27:25,082 we're ready to reveal our findings to each other 530 00:27:25,102 --> 00:27:28,040 and our clients for the first time. 531 00:27:28,042 --> 00:27:30,343 Amy, I want you to meet Nicholas and Cynthia. 532 00:27:30,468 --> 00:27:31,801 This is their home. 533 00:27:31,803 --> 00:27:33,538 They've both experienced a lot of things here. 534 00:27:33,540 --> 00:27:35,941 But the main reason they called us 535 00:27:35,943 --> 00:27:39,310 and their main concern is their 14-year-old son, Nathaniel. 536 00:27:39,312 --> 00:27:40,310 Okay. 537 00:27:40,312 --> 00:27:42,144 He has special needs, 538 00:27:42,146 --> 00:27:45,477 and it seems like he's being singled out 539 00:27:45,479 --> 00:27:47,012 and victimized in a violent manner. 540 00:27:47,014 --> 00:27:49,115 What they want to know from us 541 00:27:49,117 --> 00:27:51,749 is if it's safe enough to stay here. 542 00:27:51,751 --> 00:27:53,151 With that, I'm going to ask her 543 00:27:53,153 --> 00:27:55,318 to tell us about how her walk went. 544 00:27:57,456 --> 00:28:06,162 On my way to do the walk, I was jumped by a female. 545 00:28:06,164 --> 00:28:10,598 And I became violently ill. 546 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,233 It was extremely sudden, totally unexpected, 547 00:28:13,235 --> 00:28:16,304 and extremely overwhelming. 548 00:28:16,306 --> 00:28:20,007 She felt so much loneliness. 549 00:28:20,009 --> 00:28:23,044 [ Sniffles ] 550 00:28:27,517 --> 00:28:29,753 [ Sniffles ] 551 00:28:31,455 --> 00:28:33,254 Okay. 552 00:28:36,591 --> 00:28:39,025 Getting jumped is not easy for her. 553 00:28:41,095 --> 00:28:42,528 I hate when it happens. 554 00:28:42,530 --> 00:28:43,696 Hmm. 555 00:28:43,698 --> 00:28:49,374 I can't even imagine living with that kind of pain. 556 00:28:49,376 --> 00:28:52,877 If I had been her, 557 00:28:52,879 --> 00:28:55,160 I would have just taken a gun and shot myself in the head. 558 00:28:57,683 --> 00:29:01,822 The thing is is that she doesn't mean to jump people. 559 00:29:01,824 --> 00:29:07,161 But when she does, the people can become violently ill, 560 00:29:07,163 --> 00:29:11,704 extremely depressed, possibly suicidal. 561 00:29:11,706 --> 00:29:14,306 One of the things you told me about your son 562 00:29:14,308 --> 00:29:16,175 was how his personality changed. 563 00:29:16,177 --> 00:29:19,075 Cynthia: Well, really shortly after we moved in, 564 00:29:19,077 --> 00:29:20,210 he just really changed. 565 00:29:20,212 --> 00:29:23,247 I used to call him the little mayor. 566 00:29:23,249 --> 00:29:24,546 Talked to everyone. 567 00:29:24,548 --> 00:29:26,714 Now, he doesn't want to really go out 568 00:29:26,716 --> 00:29:28,482 and do things with other kids 569 00:29:28,484 --> 00:29:31,618 or enjoy school activities like he used to. 570 00:29:33,420 --> 00:29:37,021 Were you able to find anything else about her? 571 00:29:37,023 --> 00:29:41,055 Well, she's probably between 16 and 22, I would say. 572 00:29:41,057 --> 00:29:44,154 Very little, thin, pale. 573 00:29:44,156 --> 00:29:48,190 She had very long brown hair and huge brown eyes. 574 00:29:48,192 --> 00:29:52,590 And what I figured out was that sense of loss 575 00:29:52,592 --> 00:29:56,028 was because she had been pregnant 576 00:29:56,030 --> 00:29:59,896 and lost her child. 577 00:30:02,331 --> 00:30:04,534 A lot of it's making sense. 578 00:30:04,536 --> 00:30:06,769 [ Sniffles ] 579 00:30:06,771 --> 00:30:09,269 It's not a story you're going to want to hear. 580 00:30:09,271 --> 00:30:12,574 So, a young dancer by the name of Suzanna Geary. 581 00:30:12,576 --> 00:30:14,076 She was 20 years old. 582 00:30:14,078 --> 00:30:16,478 She was from Boston. 583 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,615 Her boyfriend, who was the stage manager 584 00:30:18,617 --> 00:30:21,253 for the dancing troupe she was in got her pregnant. 585 00:30:21,255 --> 00:30:22,856 Uh-oh. 586 00:30:22,858 --> 00:30:25,057 And they decided to get an abortion, 587 00:30:25,059 --> 00:30:27,523 which obviously was illegal back then. 588 00:30:27,525 --> 00:30:29,525 And there's a sketch of her boyfriend. 589 00:30:29,527 --> 00:30:32,797 This is Morris Nathan. 590 00:30:32,799 --> 00:30:35,598 Now, while she's recovering, 591 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,869 she develop what they call septicemia. 592 00:30:38,871 --> 00:30:44,174 She got very sick, excruciating pain, apparently. 593 00:30:44,176 --> 00:30:47,811 So, she goes back to Dr. Percy McLeod. 594 00:30:50,116 --> 00:30:51,681 They do another procedure. 595 00:30:51,683 --> 00:30:53,316 Didn't go too well. 596 00:30:53,318 --> 00:30:54,618 She dies the next day. 597 00:30:54,620 --> 00:30:58,186 Now, the police at the time believed he panicked. 598 00:30:58,188 --> 00:31:01,121 He cuts her up... 599 00:31:01,123 --> 00:31:03,058 dismembers her body, 600 00:31:03,060 --> 00:31:05,862 then hires two guys to take the body and get rid of it -- 601 00:31:05,864 --> 00:31:07,730 throws it into the harbor. 602 00:31:07,732 --> 00:31:08,730 God. 603 00:31:08,732 --> 00:31:10,930 A few days later, 604 00:31:10,932 --> 00:31:14,698 her body washes up very close to the house. 605 00:31:17,903 --> 00:31:20,940 Now, I've got a picture of her. 606 00:31:20,942 --> 00:31:23,910 And she's a pretty girl, too. 607 00:31:25,710 --> 00:31:27,511 Oh, my God. 608 00:31:29,114 --> 00:31:31,214 Well, I did do a sketch of her. 609 00:31:33,311 --> 00:31:34,951 And this is the same girl that jumped you? 610 00:31:34,953 --> 00:31:35,951 Yes. 611 00:31:43,965 --> 00:31:46,399 You take a look at that. 612 00:31:52,173 --> 00:31:55,209 Without question, that's her. 613 00:31:55,211 --> 00:31:57,243 Wow. 614 00:31:57,245 --> 00:32:00,848 The eyes, the eyes. 615 00:32:00,850 --> 00:32:03,852 Mm-hmm. 616 00:32:03,854 --> 00:32:04,954 That's horrible. 617 00:32:04,956 --> 00:32:09,861 I mean, I can't even put words to that. 618 00:32:15,566 --> 00:32:17,736 Steve: What else did you see on your walk? 619 00:32:17,738 --> 00:32:19,903 So, I came into the house, 620 00:32:19,905 --> 00:32:24,777 and in the kitchen, I see this elderly woman. 621 00:32:26,614 --> 00:32:31,717 And she is filled with resentment, hatred, bitterness. 622 00:32:31,719 --> 00:32:36,590 She was very cold and distant in life. 623 00:32:36,592 --> 00:32:38,426 One of the things that she expressed 624 00:32:38,428 --> 00:32:41,896 was that she absolutely disdains humanity 625 00:32:41,898 --> 00:32:45,898 and that when she was alive she had repressed that. 626 00:32:45,900 --> 00:32:50,471 She told me that she lived here, I think, in the '50s, 627 00:32:50,473 --> 00:32:53,940 that she was a housewife. 628 00:32:53,942 --> 00:32:58,348 You mentioned your mom wasn't always that great, that nice. 629 00:33:00,450 --> 00:33:04,554 Yeah, my mother kind of didn't like a lot of people. 630 00:33:04,556 --> 00:33:06,723 She kind of ruled the roost a lot. 631 00:33:06,725 --> 00:33:09,424 She didn't like anybody. [ Chuckles ] 632 00:33:09,426 --> 00:33:10,893 I'm trying to be gracious. 633 00:33:10,895 --> 00:33:13,930 She actually said that she loved the dog better than my children. 634 00:33:13,932 --> 00:33:15,399 Steve: Really? 635 00:33:16,736 --> 00:33:19,671 You said you got a good look? 636 00:33:19,673 --> 00:33:21,940 Mm-hmm. 637 00:33:27,613 --> 00:33:29,413 Wow. 638 00:33:30,248 --> 00:33:32,652 Is that who you saw? 639 00:33:32,654 --> 00:33:35,055 Yeah. That looks like her. 640 00:33:36,123 --> 00:33:37,889 But definitely older. 641 00:33:40,227 --> 00:33:42,762 She didn't want you to have the house, either. 642 00:33:42,764 --> 00:33:44,230 No, mnh-mnh. 643 00:33:44,232 --> 00:33:47,297 When she found out the house was sold and the papers passed, 644 00:33:47,299 --> 00:33:51,271 she just was really upset and left me a voicemail. 645 00:33:51,273 --> 00:33:54,005 She said I stole the effing house. 646 00:33:54,007 --> 00:33:57,644 And she doesn't give an "f" what I think. 647 00:33:57,646 --> 00:34:00,745 And "f" me, and "f" everyone else. 648 00:34:00,747 --> 00:34:02,945 And use your imagination. 649 00:34:04,147 --> 00:34:05,748 Well, all I know is 650 00:34:05,750 --> 00:34:09,452 that the woman I met repressed a lot of stuff, 651 00:34:09,454 --> 00:34:12,887 like did not really give a [bleep] about anybody. 652 00:34:12,889 --> 00:34:14,056 Mm-hmm. 653 00:34:14,058 --> 00:34:15,290 Sounds right. 654 00:34:15,292 --> 00:34:17,960 What is she doing around the house? 655 00:34:17,962 --> 00:34:19,662 Nothing good. 656 00:34:20,796 --> 00:34:24,364 She wants to scare people. 657 00:34:24,366 --> 00:34:28,336 She had made herself about seven to eight feet tall. 658 00:34:28,338 --> 00:34:30,768 Like, she was showing me 659 00:34:30,770 --> 00:34:34,506 this monstrous, disgusting, deformed thing. 660 00:34:34,508 --> 00:34:39,674 And that helps her to frighten and cause fear and all of that. 661 00:34:39,676 --> 00:34:43,682 I know she can get physical in the house to people. 662 00:34:43,684 --> 00:34:46,152 Like, upstairs in the master bedroom, 663 00:34:46,154 --> 00:34:48,218 I saw her coming through the wall. 664 00:34:48,220 --> 00:34:51,154 And she'll, like, slink down onto the floor 665 00:34:51,156 --> 00:34:52,924 and then come up the bed 666 00:34:52,926 --> 00:34:56,163 and, like, attempt to strangle 667 00:34:56,165 --> 00:34:58,231 the female that sleeps in the bed. 668 00:35:00,968 --> 00:35:04,370 The other thing that she tries to do is, 669 00:35:04,372 --> 00:35:08,544 she likes to enter nightmares and create them. 670 00:35:08,546 --> 00:35:13,380 And what she'll do is get in there 671 00:35:13,382 --> 00:35:15,250 and literally make the people 672 00:35:15,252 --> 00:35:16,985 feel like they're being chased by her. 673 00:35:16,987 --> 00:35:19,418 Now, you guys are sleeping in there, 674 00:35:19,420 --> 00:35:21,383 and you're having nightmares every frigging night. 675 00:35:21,385 --> 00:35:23,085 Nicholas: Yeah. 676 00:35:23,087 --> 00:35:25,690 I've had nightmares, vivid nightmares. 677 00:35:25,692 --> 00:35:28,357 It's always something violent. 678 00:35:28,359 --> 00:35:32,693 Last night, I had one of a parachute jump go wrong. 679 00:35:32,695 --> 00:35:35,996 There was also boating accidents, 680 00:35:35,998 --> 00:35:37,694 just horrible things like that. 681 00:35:37,696 --> 00:35:41,498 Steve: Now, you mentioned that it can get physical. 682 00:35:41,500 --> 00:35:45,203 This is a picture of Nathaniel. 683 00:35:45,205 --> 00:35:46,736 Oh, okay. 684 00:35:46,738 --> 00:35:50,042 And he's been woken up with scratches on him. 685 00:35:50,044 --> 00:35:51,976 Wow. 686 00:35:53,278 --> 00:35:55,747 It's happened a few times. 687 00:35:55,749 --> 00:35:58,284 Another time, I put him to bed, 688 00:35:58,286 --> 00:36:01,985 and he woke up in the morning, and he had a long 8-inch scratch 689 00:36:01,987 --> 00:36:04,220 right from the groin area all the way down. 690 00:36:05,857 --> 00:36:08,757 Is she capable of doing this on Nathaniel like that? 691 00:36:08,759 --> 00:36:11,994 Very possible. 692 00:36:11,996 --> 00:36:14,062 Very. 693 00:36:14,064 --> 00:36:17,166 Because what she's doing now is just inflicting pain, 694 00:36:17,168 --> 00:36:20,302 like, whether it's mentally, emotionally, physically. 695 00:36:20,304 --> 00:36:23,237 And now, she definitely has her sights set 696 00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:25,774 on two individuals in the house. 697 00:36:25,776 --> 00:36:28,245 One was the young boy. 698 00:36:28,247 --> 00:36:31,347 And the other is the lady of the house. 699 00:36:33,650 --> 00:36:35,785 You're the only lady in the house. 700 00:36:35,787 --> 00:36:36,986 Mm-hmm. 701 00:36:36,988 --> 00:36:38,287 Oh, boy. 702 00:36:41,257 --> 00:36:43,391 What I got was that, you know, 703 00:36:43,393 --> 00:36:45,559 she's trying to, like, you know, really strangle you, 704 00:36:45,561 --> 00:36:46,826 like, to death... 705 00:36:49,530 --> 00:36:54,601 ...and that she wants to get you and then go after him. 706 00:36:56,069 --> 00:36:58,472 I definitely got the sense 707 00:36:58,474 --> 00:37:00,275 that she would go after him big-time, too. 708 00:37:00,277 --> 00:37:02,875 I feel sick right now. 709 00:37:24,666 --> 00:37:26,183 Amy: She's trying to, like, you know, 710 00:37:26,303 --> 00:37:29,303 really strangle you, like, to death. 711 00:37:32,791 --> 00:37:36,130 And she wants to get you and then go after him. 712 00:37:39,103 --> 00:37:42,001 I feel sick right now. 713 00:37:51,450 --> 00:37:52,951 Steve: You don't look surprised. 714 00:37:52,953 --> 00:37:54,319 Nicholas: No. 715 00:37:54,321 --> 00:37:56,254 I know the whole family, 716 00:37:56,256 --> 00:37:59,022 and I saw what she did to, basically, all of them. 717 00:38:08,868 --> 00:38:10,569 You okay? 718 00:38:10,571 --> 00:38:12,171 Cynthia: Yeah. 719 00:38:12,173 --> 00:38:15,841 This is probably one of the hardest reveals I've ever done. 720 00:38:18,410 --> 00:38:20,443 Did you feel abused when you were a kid? 721 00:38:20,445 --> 00:38:23,479 Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Oh, absolutely. 722 00:38:25,249 --> 00:38:28,181 I'm just surprised with Nathaniel. 723 00:38:29,883 --> 00:38:31,284 She was always like that. 724 00:38:31,286 --> 00:38:32,955 I mean, does she really feel like 725 00:38:32,957 --> 00:38:35,293 you guys just ruined her life, or what? 726 00:38:35,295 --> 00:38:38,163 Oh, yeah. She had a hot temper, for sure. 727 00:38:41,334 --> 00:38:44,036 Steve: Well, I know this isn't what you wanted to hear. 728 00:38:44,038 --> 00:38:47,642 I know it's something I didn't want to hear, either. 729 00:38:47,644 --> 00:38:49,578 The big question left is, 730 00:38:49,580 --> 00:38:52,112 is it safe for you to raise Nathaniel in the house? 731 00:38:53,848 --> 00:38:56,382 For that, I'm going to turn it over to Amy. 732 00:38:57,950 --> 00:39:00,052 What you need to deal with 733 00:39:00,054 --> 00:39:04,022 is getting rid of unwanted visitors, so to speak. 734 00:39:05,759 --> 00:39:11,067 So, therefore, we kind of want to put her to rest 735 00:39:11,069 --> 00:39:13,068 so that you're not going to have to deal with her. 736 00:39:13,070 --> 00:39:16,838 Because my fear is that if you don't take care of her now, 737 00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,745 it's going to get worse. 738 00:39:19,747 --> 00:39:21,880 It could be so debilitating, 739 00:39:21,882 --> 00:39:25,351 I don't know if you could get her out. 740 00:39:27,121 --> 00:39:29,655 My suggestion is 741 00:39:29,657 --> 00:39:32,761 to get an individual that is a mental medium. 742 00:39:32,763 --> 00:39:37,030 A mental medium is a type of medium 743 00:39:37,032 --> 00:39:42,534 that does not feel the individual's death. 744 00:39:42,536 --> 00:39:48,169 Therefore, they won't be as impacted by her. 745 00:39:48,171 --> 00:39:50,504 So, what is this mental medium going to do? 746 00:39:50,506 --> 00:39:55,007 I would suggest that they go in your backyard, 747 00:39:55,009 --> 00:39:58,340 talk to her over two days. 748 00:39:58,342 --> 00:40:01,478 What they're basically going to be talking to her about 749 00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:05,985 is letting her tell them her story 750 00:40:05,987 --> 00:40:09,352 to help her to move on. 751 00:40:09,354 --> 00:40:11,589 Will she leave at that point? 752 00:40:11,591 --> 00:40:13,091 Yes. 753 00:40:13,093 --> 00:40:16,459 So, it sounds like the biggest problem here is your mom. 754 00:40:16,461 --> 00:40:18,593 Mm-hmm. 755 00:40:18,595 --> 00:40:21,801 As far as she's concerned, 756 00:40:21,803 --> 00:40:26,073 what I would suggest doing is writing a letter to her. 757 00:40:26,075 --> 00:40:30,815 In this letter, I would like you to focus 758 00:40:30,817 --> 00:40:33,619 on what she is no longer allowed to do, 759 00:40:33,621 --> 00:40:36,222 that she is no longer allowed 760 00:40:36,224 --> 00:40:41,466 to control you, your home, your family, or your dreams, 761 00:40:41,468 --> 00:40:46,773 that you are taking back the power and control 762 00:40:46,775 --> 00:40:49,142 of your home and your family. 763 00:40:49,144 --> 00:40:52,145 And then, have a physical medium, 764 00:40:52,147 --> 00:40:55,945 which is somebody like me, come to the home. 765 00:40:55,947 --> 00:40:59,649 And you and this physical medium are going to deal with her. 766 00:40:59,651 --> 00:41:04,051 Then, you're going to read your letter. 767 00:41:04,053 --> 00:41:05,787 I want you to yell. I do. 768 00:41:05,789 --> 00:41:08,388 I feel like you need to fricking yell at her. 769 00:41:08,390 --> 00:41:11,657 Don't let her stop you. 770 00:41:11,659 --> 00:41:13,358 I don't care whether you feel like you're going to throw up. 771 00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:14,659 I don't care if you do throw up. 772 00:41:14,661 --> 00:41:17,997 I don't care what happens 773 00:41:17,999 --> 00:41:22,169 as long as you finish what you write. 774 00:41:22,171 --> 00:41:24,406 Right. Once you're done, 775 00:41:24,408 --> 00:41:29,510 then you tell that physical medium, "Get rid of her." 776 00:41:32,915 --> 00:41:35,416 Are you afraid to do this? 777 00:41:36,685 --> 00:41:38,586 Uh, anxious. 778 00:41:38,588 --> 00:41:41,324 Once I get started, I'll be on a roll. 779 00:41:42,427 --> 00:41:44,495 I see how protective you are of him. 780 00:41:44,497 --> 00:41:46,129 Yes. I am very much. 781 00:41:46,131 --> 00:41:48,699 What about you? Are you going to take Amy's advice? 782 00:41:48,701 --> 00:41:50,935 Yes, definitely. 783 00:41:50,937 --> 00:41:52,770 I look forward to it. 784 00:41:52,772 --> 00:41:55,640 Amy: Cynthia has her work cut out for her. 785 00:41:55,642 --> 00:41:59,175 But I believe if she's able to stand up to her mother, 786 00:41:59,177 --> 00:42:02,246 she'll free her family of the evil that's tormenting them 787 00:42:02,248 --> 00:42:05,183 and they'll be able to live a peaceful life. 788 00:42:05,303 --> 00:42:11,296 Sync & corrections by honeybunny www.addic7ed.com 789 00:42:11,346 --> 00:42:15,896 Repair and Synchronization by Easy Subtitles Synchronizer 1.0.0.0 59391

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