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No! 2 00:00:34,743 --> 00:00:36,036 I'm your mother. 3 00:00:36,119 --> 00:00:38,204 You're a douchebag. 4 00:00:38,288 --> 00:00:40,641 Don't do that! 5 00:00:45,128 --> 00:00:50,133 What we have here is a confrontation between good and evil, 6 00:00:50,633 --> 00:00:53,344 and the place that evil picked was Connecticut. 7 00:01:00,894 --> 00:01:02,437 My name is David Glatzel. 8 00:01:03,772 --> 00:01:07,484 When I was 11, I was possessed by the devil. 9 00:01:08,443 --> 00:01:11,172 A bizarre murder trial gets underway tomorrow in Danbury, Connecticut. 10 00:01:11,196 --> 00:01:13,948 The crux of this case is a claim of demonic possession. 11 00:01:14,991 --> 00:01:17,952 That's what an attorney for a Connecticut teenager will try to prove. 12 00:01:18,953 --> 00:01:20,580 {\an8}I said, "Why am I here?" 13 00:01:20,663 --> 00:01:22,791 {\an8}And he said, "Well, you just killed your friend." 14 00:01:25,293 --> 00:01:28,189 A man who was arrested last month in Connecticut for murder 15 00:01:28,213 --> 00:01:30,215 says that he will plead innocent 16 00:01:30,298 --> 00:01:34,385 because he was possessed by the devil at the time he committed the crime. 17 00:01:34,469 --> 00:01:35,345 Are you kidding? 18 00:01:35,428 --> 00:01:37,680 There was drinking. There was a stabbing. 19 00:01:37,764 --> 00:01:40,308 This is an open-shut case. This is ridiculous. 20 00:01:41,726 --> 00:01:45,563 The tale really begins in the house at the end of this driveway, 21 00:01:45,647 --> 00:01:47,315 where the Brookfield couple 22 00:01:47,398 --> 00:01:50,693 whose 11-year-old son began acting strangely. 23 00:01:50,777 --> 00:01:52,577 Get up! 24 00:01:52,654 --> 00:01:56,074 I don't like to be remembered as the 11-year-old boy that was possessed... 25 00:01:56,157 --> 00:01:57,867 You will die! 26 00:01:58,868 --> 00:02:00,453 ...but I gotta deal with it every day. 27 00:02:00,537 --> 00:02:02,097 You can't hurt God's child. 28 00:02:02,122 --> 00:02:04,124 Jesus is gonna die in hell. 29 00:02:05,208 --> 00:02:08,128 I have never spoken to anybody about this. 30 00:02:09,462 --> 00:02:11,881 It's a secret, a dark secret. 31 00:02:11,965 --> 00:02:13,818 Our Father, who art in heaven... 32 00:02:13,842 --> 00:02:15,802 Give us this day our daily bread... 33 00:02:18,596 --> 00:02:20,598 You're gonna die! 34 00:02:20,682 --> 00:02:21,683 Amen. 35 00:02:37,073 --> 00:02:39,450 I would love to tell you my story 36 00:02:39,534 --> 00:02:42,412 about the possession and the murder 37 00:02:43,413 --> 00:02:44,455 and Arne Johnson. 38 00:02:46,666 --> 00:02:49,836 I'd like to make sure my family is portrayed 39 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:52,380 with the accuracy that it should be. 40 00:02:53,089 --> 00:02:55,925 I know some people have fabricated some stories, 41 00:02:56,426 --> 00:03:00,388 and I'm not happy with that, so I'd like to set the record straight. 42 00:03:18,281 --> 00:03:21,201 When I was 11 years old, I was quiet. 43 00:03:24,078 --> 00:03:25,163 Life was good. 44 00:03:26,789 --> 00:03:29,959 Playing with my brothers, best time of my life. 45 00:03:33,046 --> 00:03:35,757 I was the middle child of the boys. 46 00:03:36,799 --> 00:03:38,635 {\an8}Typical middle-child syndrome. 47 00:03:40,845 --> 00:03:42,555 I have an older brother, Carl. 48 00:03:43,056 --> 00:03:44,682 He... 49 00:03:44,766 --> 00:03:47,018 ...was not the easiest brother to go along with. 50 00:03:48,061 --> 00:03:50,313 He was kind of like an idiot at times. 51 00:03:52,023 --> 00:03:53,524 Made life difficult. 52 00:03:56,152 --> 00:03:59,239 {\an8}Alan, back in the day, was just different. 53 00:04:00,114 --> 00:04:03,076 David and I would help my father and work in the garage and stuff. 54 00:04:03,159 --> 00:04:05,411 And Alan really didn't want to get dirty, 55 00:04:05,495 --> 00:04:07,538 so he stayed with my mother most of the time. 56 00:04:09,999 --> 00:04:12,460 You know, he could bake a good cake. I can tell you that much. 57 00:04:12,543 --> 00:04:15,088 But, uh, he's just a little different than us. 58 00:04:18,967 --> 00:04:22,303 Back then, I wouldn't call us an all-American family, 59 00:04:23,763 --> 00:04:26,099 but I would say we were as normal as we can be. 60 00:04:29,435 --> 00:04:34,107 It all started when my sister, Debbie, found a house in Newtown. 61 00:04:34,190 --> 00:04:37,110 She was going to move in with her boyfriend, Arne. 62 00:04:38,903 --> 00:04:41,781 {\an8}Debbie and I were very excited to move in together. 63 00:04:41,864 --> 00:04:44,158 {\an8}We had plans on being married in the spring. 64 00:04:44,242 --> 00:04:45,702 We were working towards that. 65 00:04:47,328 --> 00:04:48,788 We couldn't wait. We couldn't wait. 66 00:04:53,501 --> 00:04:57,922 July 2nd, Debbie found a really nice house in Newtown to rent. 67 00:05:02,176 --> 00:05:04,554 I was a little sad to see them move out. 68 00:05:06,347 --> 00:05:08,474 You're 11 years old, it's your sister. 69 00:05:09,100 --> 00:05:14,856 Me and my older brothers, Alan and Carl, ended up going there to help them move in. 70 00:05:25,450 --> 00:05:27,368 It was a weird house. 71 00:05:29,412 --> 00:05:32,081 There was just something really off about it. 72 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,298 I assigned each of my brothers a chore. 73 00:05:40,798 --> 00:05:42,800 {\an8}I sent David into the master bedroom, 74 00:05:42,884 --> 00:05:46,387 {\an8}and handed him a broom and asked him if he could sweep up for me. 75 00:05:48,723 --> 00:05:50,266 I left him in there alone. 76 00:05:51,184 --> 00:05:55,396 And then I started doing what I had to do, scouring and cleaning. 77 00:05:58,483 --> 00:06:01,694 But after a while, David came running out. 78 00:06:02,195 --> 00:06:04,530 He looked upset, and I didn't know why. 79 00:06:13,081 --> 00:06:15,666 David said, "Mom, I wanna go home." 80 00:06:15,750 --> 00:06:17,670 She's like, "I can't leave. We'll get this done." 81 00:06:17,752 --> 00:06:20,472 "As soon as we can, we'll go home." He's like, "I wanna go home now." 82 00:06:22,673 --> 00:06:24,550 I just wanted to get out of the house, 83 00:06:24,634 --> 00:06:27,387 off the property, away from it as far as I could. 84 00:06:27,470 --> 00:06:30,098 And I... I didn't tell anybody the reason why. 85 00:06:50,785 --> 00:06:53,746 We got back home, had dinner, everything was fine. 86 00:06:56,582 --> 00:06:58,084 My mom was an excellent cook. 87 00:06:58,584 --> 00:07:01,462 She was Hungarian and Italian, 88 00:07:01,546 --> 00:07:04,173 so she knew how to cook. 89 00:07:05,466 --> 00:07:08,970 But David was having a bad day. Something was bothering him. 90 00:07:10,179 --> 00:07:11,681 And I said, "What's wrong with you?" 91 00:07:13,391 --> 00:07:15,101 I remember sitting at the table. 92 00:07:15,685 --> 00:07:18,354 Started explaining what had happened that morning. 93 00:07:25,820 --> 00:07:27,738 I was in the bedroom on my own. 94 00:07:34,787 --> 00:07:36,497 But I could feel something. 95 00:08:10,239 --> 00:08:12,783 And then I was pushed backwards onto the bed. 96 00:08:23,669 --> 00:08:25,004 I seen this image. 97 00:08:28,257 --> 00:08:31,177 It looked like the devil from a Halloween costume. 98 00:08:31,260 --> 00:08:35,640 His eyes were black, solid black, just like a chunk of coal, 99 00:08:36,224 --> 00:08:37,225 and it scared me. 100 00:08:41,312 --> 00:08:44,273 David said, "Then this entity spoke." 101 00:08:45,816 --> 00:08:49,070 I said to David, "What is this figure telling you?" 102 00:08:49,570 --> 00:08:51,572 "He keeps telling me beware." 103 00:08:52,782 --> 00:08:54,408 I said, "Beware of what?" 104 00:08:54,492 --> 00:08:58,371 And he kept telling me, "He wants my soul." 105 00:09:04,919 --> 00:09:08,214 And he said, "He's gonna come for me. That's what he keeps telling me." 106 00:09:08,297 --> 00:09:09,799 "I... You gotta help me." 107 00:09:09,882 --> 00:09:13,761 I said, "Dave, did you touch anything in the medicine cabinet?" 108 00:09:13,844 --> 00:09:16,055 He goes, "No, this is for real." 109 00:09:17,807 --> 00:09:19,976 We didn't believe him at first. 110 00:09:22,311 --> 00:09:23,813 My mom's reaction was, 111 00:09:23,896 --> 00:09:27,275 "It was late at night. Maybe he was dreaming." 112 00:09:29,068 --> 00:09:31,153 Judy said, "Okay, enough of this." 113 00:09:31,237 --> 00:09:35,825 "It's time to go to bed, get some rest, and we'll revisit this in the morning." 114 00:09:46,085 --> 00:09:49,463 Later that night, I got sort of a weird feeling. 115 00:09:50,673 --> 00:09:52,383 I just had this image. 116 00:09:55,094 --> 00:09:56,721 There was something coming. 117 00:09:59,056 --> 00:10:00,975 I started to get scared 118 00:10:01,058 --> 00:10:04,020 'cause I could see it coming closer towards the house. 119 00:10:20,745 --> 00:10:22,663 You can feel something watching you. 120 00:10:30,087 --> 00:10:31,589 I thought I saw a figure. 121 00:10:44,060 --> 00:10:45,436 When I look again... 122 00:10:47,021 --> 00:10:48,272 there's nothing there. 123 00:10:54,737 --> 00:10:58,783 I stayed up in the dark with my eyes open most of the night. 124 00:11:05,998 --> 00:11:08,250 Judy was worried about David, 125 00:11:09,168 --> 00:11:14,006 so she called Father Dennis up to let him know what was happening. 126 00:11:14,507 --> 00:11:17,635 She asked him if he could come bless the house. 127 00:11:17,718 --> 00:11:18,878 Bless you too, Father. 128 00:11:21,013 --> 00:11:22,723 My mom was religious. 129 00:11:24,308 --> 00:11:29,146 She made us go through Communion and Confirmation as Catholics. 130 00:11:30,439 --> 00:11:33,025 We did believe in God and the devil. 131 00:11:34,443 --> 00:11:39,740 When Father Dennis had come to the house, he brought some holy oil, some holy water, 132 00:11:40,324 --> 00:11:41,575 and some incense... 133 00:11:41,659 --> 00:11:43,419 In the name of the Father... 134 00:11:43,494 --> 00:11:46,205 ...that he used to bless the entire house, 135 00:11:46,288 --> 00:11:48,833 every room, upstairs and downstairs. 136 00:11:50,584 --> 00:11:52,336 We thought it was over and done with. 137 00:11:52,420 --> 00:11:54,880 I pray against any evil that... 138 00:11:54,964 --> 00:11:57,466 But this was just the beginning. 139 00:12:07,727 --> 00:12:09,186 Oh my God! 140 00:12:09,270 --> 00:12:11,105 It was three o'clock in the morning. 141 00:12:11,605 --> 00:12:14,000 All of a sudden, David was screaming at the top of his lungs, 142 00:12:14,024 --> 00:12:17,069 "He's coming for me. He's coming for me. He's gonna punish me." 143 00:12:20,990 --> 00:12:22,241 The house rumbled... 144 00:12:24,034 --> 00:12:26,287 ...like someone had drove a truck into it. 145 00:12:28,122 --> 00:12:31,250 It sounded like a UFO was landing on top of the house. 146 00:12:34,378 --> 00:12:37,131 Whatever it was, it wanted you to know it was there. 147 00:12:39,175 --> 00:12:41,051 Lights began to flash on and off. 148 00:12:43,846 --> 00:12:46,766 You'd hear the glass falling, breaking. 149 00:12:48,684 --> 00:12:51,353 David was frantic, and he was screaming, 150 00:12:51,437 --> 00:12:53,355 "He's here. He's here. He's over the house." 151 00:12:54,482 --> 00:12:57,485 David's like, "Don't open the door. It's evil." 152 00:13:00,279 --> 00:13:03,574 The banging went on for 30, maybe 40 seconds... 153 00:13:08,078 --> 00:13:10,039 ...and then everything went quiet. 154 00:13:22,551 --> 00:13:24,261 Oh my God. 155 00:13:27,389 --> 00:13:28,389 I was petrified. 156 00:13:29,809 --> 00:13:32,311 Okay, we have a ghost problem, 157 00:13:32,394 --> 00:13:35,898 um, and we didn't know what to do with it. 158 00:13:38,734 --> 00:13:40,611 We knew we had to find some help. 159 00:13:44,490 --> 00:13:47,159 At that time, our next-door neighbor, 160 00:13:47,660 --> 00:13:50,454 she was into tarot card reading and stuff like that. 161 00:13:50,538 --> 00:13:52,373 And she said, "You know, my mother-in-law said 162 00:13:52,456 --> 00:13:55,709 she had gone, a couple of years ago, to see a psychic investigator." 163 00:13:56,210 --> 00:13:57,419 "Maybe they can help." 164 00:13:57,503 --> 00:13:59,713 Debbie is like, "I'll take help from anyone." 165 00:14:00,256 --> 00:14:02,800 We weren't gonna let no entity, 166 00:14:02,883 --> 00:14:07,346 no... no ghost or anybody run us out of that house. 167 00:14:07,930 --> 00:14:09,056 That was our house, 168 00:14:09,557 --> 00:14:12,643 and we were gonna make sure that whatever was there, 169 00:14:13,143 --> 00:14:15,813 we were gonna get it out one way or the other. 170 00:14:16,605 --> 00:14:20,526 Our special guests tonight, who in their 32 years as ghost hunters, 171 00:14:20,609 --> 00:14:25,114 have investigated over 3,000 cases of haunted houses and demonic possession 172 00:14:25,197 --> 00:14:29,076 and have been involved in numerous exorcisms around the world. 173 00:14:29,159 --> 00:14:32,454 Listen closely and make up your own mind as we present to you, 174 00:14:32,538 --> 00:14:36,208 ladies and gentlemen, the ghost hunters Ed and Lorraine Warren. 175 00:14:45,634 --> 00:14:49,013 I was so proud of my grandparents when I was growing up. 176 00:14:51,682 --> 00:14:54,476 I would see them in the newspaper or on television, 177 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:56,186 and it was just so cool. 178 00:14:56,687 --> 00:14:58,022 But on the other hand, 179 00:14:58,522 --> 00:15:04,737 {\an8}I was also the weird kid because I had these creepy grandparents. 180 00:15:06,572 --> 00:15:10,284 The truth of the matter is, I did not wake up one day and say, 181 00:15:10,367 --> 00:15:12,453 "I want to be a demonologist." 182 00:15:13,871 --> 00:15:15,873 I was born a demonologist. 183 00:15:16,498 --> 00:15:20,169 As a boy, I would ask the nuns and the priest, uh, 184 00:15:20,252 --> 00:15:23,422 {\an8}"What is this about ghosts, the supernatural? Is it for real?" 185 00:15:23,505 --> 00:15:24,965 {\an8}"Are there really devils?" 186 00:15:25,049 --> 00:15:28,886 {\an8}And, of course, you know, Catholicism teaches us that these things are real. 187 00:15:28,969 --> 00:15:32,264 My grandmother had a different, uh, experience. 188 00:15:33,182 --> 00:15:35,559 - I hear laughter and I don't... - Laughter? 189 00:15:35,643 --> 00:15:39,188 - I don't quite understand. I can hear it... - Is it male or a female laughter? 190 00:15:39,271 --> 00:15:42,066 I mean, I can't understand why all of you don't hear it. 191 00:15:42,149 --> 00:15:45,611 I hear it so... It... It's so loud in here. 192 00:15:45,694 --> 00:15:49,156 He said, "Well, if you wanna hunt tigers, you got to go to where tigers are." 193 00:15:49,239 --> 00:15:51,408 Go to the light, Charissa. 194 00:15:51,492 --> 00:15:53,535 I'm here to help you. 195 00:15:53,619 --> 00:15:57,873 But they didn't reach any fame until... 196 00:15:57,957 --> 00:16:00,292 A young man murdered, in cold blood, 197 00:16:00,376 --> 00:16:03,295 his father, mother, four brothers and sisters, 198 00:16:03,379 --> 00:16:05,464 because voices told him to do it. 199 00:16:05,547 --> 00:16:09,635 With that grueling beginning comes a bestseller and a motion picture, 200 00:16:09,718 --> 00:16:11,053 The Amityville Horror. 201 00:16:13,681 --> 00:16:17,977 Lorraine and I have been in hundreds and hundreds of haunted houses, 202 00:16:18,060 --> 00:16:20,771 and we've interviewed numerous people all over the world. 203 00:16:21,355 --> 00:16:22,982 And on a scale of one to ten, 204 00:16:23,065 --> 00:16:25,901 I would have to say that Amityville was a ten. 205 00:16:26,485 --> 00:16:29,947 The Amityville Horror was the one that went international. 206 00:16:30,030 --> 00:16:33,367 That's the one where my grandparents became world-famous. 207 00:16:33,450 --> 00:16:36,286 {\an8}And, well, it's number two. 208 00:16:39,623 --> 00:16:44,169 It's funny how something so horrifying can end up becoming a blessing. 209 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:46,255 Thank you, Mr. Warren. 210 00:16:46,338 --> 00:16:49,466 And it... it really did help a lot of families afterward. 211 00:16:50,551 --> 00:16:52,970 We are receiving a lot of letters 212 00:16:53,053 --> 00:16:56,974 from people who are... are writing in about problems. 213 00:16:57,057 --> 00:16:57,933 What's the address? 214 00:16:58,017 --> 00:17:01,437 Post office box... Send it to the Warrens, Ed and Lorraine Warren, 215 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:03,981 Post Office Box 41, 216 00:17:04,064 --> 00:17:07,526 Monroe, Connecticut 06468. 217 00:17:09,987 --> 00:17:11,822 Debbie called up the Warrens. 218 00:17:13,365 --> 00:17:14,283 Ed answered. 219 00:17:14,366 --> 00:17:17,202 Debbie said who she was and, "Can you help us?" 220 00:17:18,579 --> 00:17:21,248 Ed said, "Has David been seen by a doctor at this point?" 221 00:17:21,331 --> 00:17:22,249 We said, "No." 222 00:17:22,332 --> 00:17:24,626 So Ed's like, "Do you mind if I bring a doctor with me?" 223 00:17:31,759 --> 00:17:33,802 They showed up in a Chevy Chevette. 224 00:17:41,018 --> 00:17:42,728 Ed Warren was a really nice man. 225 00:17:44,646 --> 00:17:47,149 He was reassuring, confident. 226 00:17:48,108 --> 00:17:50,069 He definitely made us feel safer. 227 00:17:52,321 --> 00:17:56,992 Lorraine was so gentle and precise in her words. 228 00:17:57,076 --> 00:17:58,702 Judy said, "Oh my God, 229 00:17:58,786 --> 00:18:01,413 I'm so glad you're here and so glad to meet you." 230 00:18:01,914 --> 00:18:04,124 Ah... 231 00:18:04,208 --> 00:18:08,295 The doctor took David aside, took his blood pressure, stuff like that. 232 00:18:08,962 --> 00:18:12,758 He was tested psychologically, proven to be completely normal. 233 00:18:14,051 --> 00:18:17,846 Dr. Tony never said that I was off my rocker or anything like that. 234 00:18:17,930 --> 00:18:19,556 He said I was a... a normal kid. 235 00:18:22,601 --> 00:18:25,521 Ed and Lorraine were very cautious talking to us. 236 00:18:28,273 --> 00:18:31,610 They wanted us to answer some questions, find out what's going on. 237 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:36,280 Okay. 238 00:18:42,454 --> 00:18:44,623 David, give me your full name. 239 00:18:45,290 --> 00:18:48,502 - David Michael Glatzel. - Okay, how old are you, David? 240 00:18:48,585 --> 00:18:50,754 - Twelve. - Twelve years old. 241 00:18:50,838 --> 00:18:52,923 What do you think about all these things, David? 242 00:18:53,507 --> 00:18:55,443 - You'd like it to end, right? - Hmm? 243 00:18:55,467 --> 00:18:57,010 - You'd like it to end? - Mm-hmm. 244 00:18:57,094 --> 00:18:59,346 - You don't want it to go on, do you? - No. 245 00:18:59,429 --> 00:19:01,181 No. Okay. 246 00:19:01,265 --> 00:19:03,767 There was one violent scene here that Lorraine told me about. 247 00:19:03,851 --> 00:19:05,829 - It was more than one. - More than one? 248 00:19:05,853 --> 00:19:07,604 Oh my God, it was all night! 249 00:19:07,688 --> 00:19:10,691 Okay, so in other words, it was a very hectic night. 250 00:19:10,774 --> 00:19:14,153 Oh yeah, but see, we can't tolerate no more, really. 251 00:19:14,236 --> 00:19:17,156 We're not lying to you 'cause, you know, we need the help we can get. 252 00:19:17,239 --> 00:19:19,408 Believe me, we wanna get rid of this thing. 253 00:19:20,367 --> 00:19:26,081 My mom was so hopeful that this would be a cure-all. 254 00:19:28,167 --> 00:19:30,043 She wanted her family back, 255 00:19:30,127 --> 00:19:33,338 and she wanted to go back to the life we had before this. 256 00:19:34,965 --> 00:19:37,759 These people are telling us these horrible stories, 257 00:19:37,843 --> 00:19:41,930 but we have to, ourselves, experience this before we accept it. 258 00:19:42,014 --> 00:19:44,391 - All right. - We have to see it. We have to feel it. 259 00:19:44,474 --> 00:19:48,562 We have to know it's there before we say, "Yes, this home is haunted." 260 00:19:49,354 --> 00:19:51,315 He told David he wants his soul today. 261 00:19:52,065 --> 00:19:54,067 What'd he tell you about your soul? 262 00:19:54,651 --> 00:19:57,154 Says he just wants my soul. That was it. 263 00:19:58,530 --> 00:19:59,531 Is he here now? 264 00:20:02,075 --> 00:20:04,870 Ed's like, "Let's see it show itself." 265 00:20:04,953 --> 00:20:08,373 "It's got so much power, it needs to prove that it's here." 266 00:20:10,792 --> 00:20:14,504 I have to provoke what is there through religious provocation. 267 00:20:14,588 --> 00:20:17,090 Now being a Christian, I would use the name of Jesus Christ. 268 00:20:17,174 --> 00:20:20,469 I would use holy water. I would use the crucifix. 269 00:20:20,552 --> 00:20:22,387 Now, this may seem dramatic, 270 00:20:22,471 --> 00:20:26,475 but this is the method that the exorcist and the demonologist uses. 271 00:20:27,559 --> 00:20:32,314 I provoke until I can witness physical manifestations occurring. 272 00:20:33,273 --> 00:20:35,609 Ed said, "If you have the power, 273 00:20:36,526 --> 00:20:38,862 I need you to knock on the table three times." 274 00:20:48,247 --> 00:20:49,748 All of a sudden... 275 00:20:50,290 --> 00:20:53,377 Bang! Bang! Bang! 276 00:20:54,544 --> 00:20:57,965 Sounded like someone took a sledgehammer, trying to break through the kitchen floor. 277 00:21:00,133 --> 00:21:02,261 The entire kitchen started to shake. 278 00:21:03,512 --> 00:21:06,848 The lights were flickering. Everybody felt it. 279 00:21:13,397 --> 00:21:16,525 Ed looked at David and he said, "Does this frighten you?" 280 00:21:17,901 --> 00:21:20,988 David goes, "I'm afraid because he wants to hurt me." 281 00:21:21,488 --> 00:21:23,740 "Because I'm talking to you and you're here, 282 00:21:23,824 --> 00:21:25,617 we're all gonna be punished for this." 283 00:21:28,578 --> 00:21:31,081 At that point, Lorraine was walking around. 284 00:21:32,374 --> 00:21:37,087 Going into a home, I'm there to discern, through vibrations, 285 00:21:37,170 --> 00:21:39,589 walking throughout every room of the house. 286 00:21:40,465 --> 00:21:42,634 Because there has to be a law of attraction. 287 00:21:42,718 --> 00:21:44,803 The spirit has to be attracted to one member 288 00:21:44,886 --> 00:21:46,722 of that particular household. 289 00:21:49,683 --> 00:21:52,019 She leaned over to him and whispered, 290 00:21:52,519 --> 00:21:56,648 "There's a large dark mass standing next to that little boy." 291 00:21:57,649 --> 00:21:58,649 "It's evil." 292 00:22:00,986 --> 00:22:05,073 That felt strange to us. We couldn't see nothing. 293 00:22:07,034 --> 00:22:09,494 Ed and Lorraine spoke to my parents. 294 00:22:10,329 --> 00:22:13,165 "This is not a ghost. This is a demonic entity." 295 00:22:24,801 --> 00:22:26,219 It really scared me. 296 00:22:26,928 --> 00:22:31,058 The whole family was scared 'cause we had no idea what was going on. 297 00:22:33,727 --> 00:22:39,024 You know, my grandfather had this idea that hauntings progressed in five steps. 298 00:22:40,901 --> 00:22:42,444 {\an8}It starts with permission. 299 00:22:44,237 --> 00:22:46,323 {\an8}Somebody does something 300 00:22:46,406 --> 00:22:50,452 {\an8}that allows the paranormal to take a foothold. 301 00:22:54,915 --> 00:22:57,876 Maybe it's an Ouija board or a séance or whatever. 302 00:22:58,377 --> 00:23:00,295 Then you have infestation. 303 00:23:00,379 --> 00:23:05,926 That's where the spirits are in the home, but external to you completely. 304 00:23:06,009 --> 00:23:09,471 Just a ghost or, you know, a loved one comes to visit 305 00:23:09,554 --> 00:23:11,723 and wants to let you know they're there. 306 00:23:11,807 --> 00:23:13,350 That's... That's normal. 307 00:23:14,101 --> 00:23:15,977 Then you have oppression. 308 00:23:16,478 --> 00:23:22,067 That's when an entity is starting to take over your free will. 309 00:23:22,150 --> 00:23:25,195 But you're exhibiting much darker impulses, 310 00:23:25,278 --> 00:23:27,072 much more negative behaviors. 311 00:23:27,823 --> 00:23:33,453 In incredibly rare circumstances, it moves on to complete possession. 312 00:23:34,121 --> 00:23:37,916 That's where you're no longer there. You're not in control. 313 00:23:37,999 --> 00:23:40,877 Your body has been taken over completely by something else. 314 00:23:49,594 --> 00:23:52,931 Ed felt strong enough from that first meeting 315 00:23:53,014 --> 00:23:56,143 that David was already in oppression stage. 316 00:23:57,060 --> 00:23:58,103 Ed explained to us 317 00:23:58,186 --> 00:24:03,400 that the demon would be causing David to act totally different. 318 00:24:03,900 --> 00:24:07,279 Controlling his thoughts, sending messages through him. 319 00:24:07,863 --> 00:24:10,115 He would become more volatile. 320 00:24:15,954 --> 00:24:19,291 Ed Warren had seen this many times before. 321 00:24:19,374 --> 00:24:21,710 He said, "You're gonna have to contact the church." 322 00:24:21,793 --> 00:24:24,796 My mom said, "We did that. We tried." 323 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,883 And Ed spoke up and said, "No, I will help you do that." 324 00:24:29,217 --> 00:24:32,137 "You guys need to start documenting this." 325 00:24:32,220 --> 00:24:35,932 And collect as much evidence as they can, to present it to the archbishop. 326 00:24:36,433 --> 00:24:39,728 And the archbishop of Bridgeport would make the decision 327 00:24:40,312 --> 00:24:42,105 as far as what we were dealing with. 328 00:24:43,356 --> 00:24:45,775 I thought, "This stuff isn't real. It doesn't happen." 329 00:24:45,859 --> 00:24:49,488 "It's only... in cartoons and movies." 330 00:24:51,865 --> 00:24:55,619 Ed and Lorraine warned us how serious this really is. 331 00:24:56,703 --> 00:24:58,246 "Don't take it lightly." 332 00:24:59,498 --> 00:25:00,665 "Protect yourself, 333 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,294 because you never know when it can happen." 334 00:25:10,467 --> 00:25:13,595 My mom took our audio tape cassette recorder. 335 00:25:15,555 --> 00:25:19,518 My sister bought a Polaroid camera, you know, that takes instant photos. 336 00:25:21,311 --> 00:25:24,731 From that moment forward, we started keeping records of everything. 337 00:25:28,276 --> 00:25:30,445 We were on summer vacation from school. 338 00:25:30,529 --> 00:25:32,572 Good evening, ladies and gentlemen... 339 00:25:32,656 --> 00:25:33,823 No one was sleeping. 340 00:25:33,907 --> 00:25:36,576 ...two candidates for the Republican nomination 341 00:25:36,660 --> 00:25:38,870 for the presidency of the United States. 342 00:25:39,371 --> 00:25:43,542 Former Governor Ronald Reagan of California. Former ambassador... 343 00:25:43,625 --> 00:25:46,962 We were taking turns keeping an eye on David. 344 00:25:47,504 --> 00:25:49,297 Whether we like it or not, 345 00:25:49,381 --> 00:25:52,884 it is our responsibility to preserve world peace 346 00:25:52,968 --> 00:25:54,886 because no one else can do it. 347 00:25:55,845 --> 00:25:57,490 We cannot continue... 348 00:26:00,267 --> 00:26:03,395 But then David started acting really weird. 349 00:26:07,983 --> 00:26:08,983 David! 350 00:26:09,442 --> 00:26:10,443 Oh my God. 351 00:26:21,746 --> 00:26:24,457 You will die! You! 352 00:26:24,541 --> 00:26:26,251 Who are you and what are you? 353 00:26:26,751 --> 00:26:29,032 - None of your business. - David. 354 00:26:33,341 --> 00:26:35,677 Mommy's here. Mommy's here. Come on, get up. 355 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,972 Come on, let's go. Get out of it. Get out of my son. Get out of my son. 356 00:26:39,055 --> 00:26:41,474 No! No! 357 00:26:41,558 --> 00:26:42,767 I'm your mother. 358 00:26:42,851 --> 00:26:45,186 You're a douchebag. 359 00:26:47,272 --> 00:26:49,107 You will die! 360 00:26:54,779 --> 00:26:57,240 Don't do that! 361 00:26:58,575 --> 00:27:01,911 David, just get up! My God! Get up... 362 00:27:01,995 --> 00:27:03,155 Call the priest, Ma. 363 00:27:03,204 --> 00:27:05,957 - Have him come to the house right now. - Get out of my son! 364 00:27:06,041 --> 00:27:08,019 - No! - Leave this boy alone. 365 00:27:08,043 --> 00:27:08,877 Here. Here. 366 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:10,800 I'm trying. I got your arms again. 367 00:27:10,879 --> 00:27:14,049 - You fucking cocksucker. - Start saying prayers. 368 00:27:14,132 --> 00:27:16,843 Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name. 369 00:27:16,926 --> 00:27:17,926 Thy kingdom come, 370 00:27:17,969 --> 00:27:20,597 thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. 371 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,892 Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our trespasses, 372 00:27:23,975 --> 00:27:26,186 as we forgive those who trespass against us... 373 00:27:30,982 --> 00:27:32,192 It was terrifying... 374 00:27:32,275 --> 00:27:33,395 Leave this boy. 375 00:27:33,443 --> 00:27:35,945 ...because all of a sudden, he'll start screaming and fighting, 376 00:27:36,029 --> 00:27:37,364 and there's no one there. 377 00:27:39,366 --> 00:27:42,035 At one point, we were able to capture on film 378 00:27:42,118 --> 00:27:44,537 his hands in midair holding something, 379 00:27:45,246 --> 00:27:49,084 choking him, and he was squeezing with all his might to get these hands 380 00:27:49,167 --> 00:27:51,211 from around his throat off of his throat. 381 00:27:53,046 --> 00:27:55,256 Leave this boy. Leave this boy. 382 00:27:55,340 --> 00:27:58,051 We had the chills up and down our spine. 383 00:27:59,427 --> 00:28:01,096 It was very frightening, 384 00:28:01,179 --> 00:28:03,723 and we didn't really know how to handle it. 385 00:28:11,439 --> 00:28:13,525 I remember being choked, 386 00:28:13,608 --> 00:28:16,027 but I don't remember anything else when I blacked out 387 00:28:17,112 --> 00:28:19,698 or if I even blacked out or what happened. 388 00:28:19,781 --> 00:28:21,574 Nobody could ever answer that. 389 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,913 It was mentally draining for everyone, 390 00:28:27,914 --> 00:28:30,542 but it just kept getting progressively worse. 391 00:28:34,254 --> 00:28:36,047 He was physically violent with everyone. 392 00:28:37,173 --> 00:28:39,426 He's tried choking my mother, my sister. 393 00:28:39,509 --> 00:28:41,886 It would last for a few minutes or a few hours. 394 00:28:43,263 --> 00:28:45,598 We would take turns sleeping in shifts. 395 00:28:47,892 --> 00:28:49,769 We didn't want to be isolated. 396 00:28:50,353 --> 00:28:54,816 We know that if we were alone, our chances of an attack were exponential. 397 00:29:01,364 --> 00:29:03,658 The whole family was getting physically attacked. 398 00:29:03,742 --> 00:29:04,951 He restores my soul. 399 00:29:05,034 --> 00:29:09,164 He leads me in paths of righteousness for His name's sake. 400 00:29:09,247 --> 00:29:11,499 We were saying prayers constantly. 401 00:29:12,500 --> 00:29:16,212 We figured if we said the prayers louder and louder, it would go away. 402 00:29:19,299 --> 00:29:21,419 The most difficult part for my mom was the fact 403 00:29:21,468 --> 00:29:24,846 that my dad wasn't standing behind her on this. 404 00:29:27,432 --> 00:29:28,432 She felt alone. 405 00:29:30,268 --> 00:29:31,686 My father, at this point, 406 00:29:31,770 --> 00:29:34,355 thought David was just having a mental health issue, 407 00:29:34,856 --> 00:29:36,357 thought we were feeding into it. 408 00:29:39,068 --> 00:29:42,071 So he kind of just locked himself away. 409 00:29:42,155 --> 00:29:46,409 He was working two jobs and come home and sleep. 410 00:29:47,368 --> 00:29:49,996 Things changed. We went from having a normal family dinner 411 00:29:50,079 --> 00:29:52,624 to him working constantly, not being home. 412 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,212 It took my dad a while before he realized what was going on. 413 00:29:57,712 --> 00:30:02,258 And by then, you know, it was too late. 414 00:30:06,387 --> 00:30:11,017 My mom called up the Warrens and told them what was going on. 415 00:30:11,643 --> 00:30:12,852 I'm your mother. 416 00:30:12,936 --> 00:30:15,230 You're a douchebag. 417 00:30:15,313 --> 00:30:17,873 Don't do that! 418 00:30:20,318 --> 00:30:23,158 - He didn't know who was doing it. - Does he blink his eyes? 419 00:30:23,238 --> 00:30:27,450 No, nothing. They absolutely just stay perfectly still. 420 00:30:27,534 --> 00:30:30,203 If he was conscious, his eyes would blink, right? 421 00:30:30,286 --> 00:30:33,248 You mean he was unconscious when he did this, when this happened? 422 00:30:33,748 --> 00:30:36,084 Well, I would think so, yeah. Okay. 423 00:30:36,584 --> 00:30:39,546 Ed and Lorraine told us that David was under possession. 424 00:30:44,384 --> 00:30:45,927 After possession, 425 00:30:46,010 --> 00:30:50,765 {\an8}the ultimate goal is the destruction of the family and, finally, death. 426 00:30:51,391 --> 00:30:57,689 You're being killed, or... where somebody else is murdered, 427 00:30:58,189 --> 00:30:59,440 it does happen. 428 00:30:59,983 --> 00:31:01,823 He went behind Alan, he pulled this out, 429 00:31:01,860 --> 00:31:03,611 and he goes, "I hate everybody." 430 00:31:04,112 --> 00:31:07,282 "And if anybody goes near me, I'll kill you. Anybody." 431 00:31:08,283 --> 00:31:10,326 My mom panicked right then and there. 432 00:31:10,410 --> 00:31:13,705 She thought something was gonna happen where her son would kill himself 433 00:31:15,290 --> 00:31:16,499 or commit murder. 434 00:31:18,334 --> 00:31:20,962 She was like, "We need to stop this now." 435 00:31:22,672 --> 00:31:25,133 Ed Warren said, "You're going to definitely need an exorcism." 436 00:31:29,721 --> 00:31:31,723 That was probably the most frightening thing. 437 00:31:33,683 --> 00:31:36,978 We are like a supernatural police department. 438 00:31:37,478 --> 00:31:40,732 We have to bring the culprits to the church. 439 00:31:41,316 --> 00:31:43,526 We have to bring the culprits to the exorcist. 440 00:31:44,277 --> 00:31:45,778 This is why I say, 441 00:31:46,279 --> 00:31:50,491 when the demonic and evil spirits fight dirty, 442 00:31:51,117 --> 00:31:53,369 you have to do the very same thing. 443 00:31:57,916 --> 00:32:01,044 The church don't give out exorcisms like candy. 444 00:32:01,836 --> 00:32:04,923 I did not realize the amount of paperwork you have to go through 445 00:32:05,006 --> 00:32:06,006 to get an exorcism. 446 00:32:07,842 --> 00:32:08,927 It is a big deal. 447 00:32:13,848 --> 00:32:16,935 The request process for an exorcism in the Roman Catholic Church 448 00:32:17,018 --> 00:32:19,062 {\an8}is not necessarily easy, 449 00:32:19,145 --> 00:32:21,981 {\an8}especially back when Ed and Lorraine were in their prime. 450 00:32:22,065 --> 00:32:25,443 In my experience, there's a lot of clergy that do not want to deal with this stuff. 451 00:32:25,526 --> 00:32:27,570 They don't want to deal with the infernal forces... 452 00:32:29,364 --> 00:32:31,741 ...and they're afraid to step foot in those homes. 453 00:32:31,824 --> 00:32:35,370 So I can see where people turn to people like the Warrens 454 00:32:35,453 --> 00:32:38,122 because their own clergy have rejected them. 455 00:32:38,206 --> 00:32:40,166 But it's a duty as a clergyman. 456 00:32:40,249 --> 00:32:43,503 You're called to do this, and you're called to help those people. 457 00:32:47,590 --> 00:32:49,968 Growing up in the Roman Catholic Church, 458 00:32:50,510 --> 00:32:51,886 angels, devils, 459 00:32:51,970 --> 00:32:55,139 these things are, uh, entrenched in the belief system. 460 00:32:55,223 --> 00:32:59,352 But I always sort of questioned the reality of these spiritual forces. 461 00:32:59,978 --> 00:33:01,354 So I was very open 462 00:33:01,437 --> 00:33:04,524 and looking for the evidence to see if this truly existed or not. 463 00:33:07,318 --> 00:33:09,696 Now, people can poo-poo the whole idea of ghosts 464 00:33:09,779 --> 00:33:12,740 and haunted houses and devils all they want, 465 00:33:13,324 --> 00:33:15,284 but the devil does exist. 466 00:33:15,368 --> 00:33:16,953 Many devils exist, 467 00:33:17,036 --> 00:33:20,373 and a skeptical public is the best protection that the devil has. 468 00:33:20,873 --> 00:33:23,126 In the name of Jesus... 469 00:33:23,793 --> 00:33:24,793 ...get out! 470 00:33:25,753 --> 00:33:27,797 Working with the Warrens 471 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,466 was certainly intriguing, somewhat exciting. 472 00:33:31,300 --> 00:33:34,053 I saw how real this is and how dangerous it could be. 473 00:33:42,812 --> 00:33:45,690 The church realized by all the evidence we had gathered 474 00:33:45,773 --> 00:33:48,401 that, yeah, this is a real deal, and they need help. 475 00:33:54,782 --> 00:33:57,660 A cardinal from the Catholic Church showed up. 476 00:33:57,744 --> 00:34:01,456 They dress completely in red, and he also drove a red Porsche. 477 00:34:03,750 --> 00:34:05,585 Oh, it's good to be in the church. 478 00:34:07,587 --> 00:34:09,005 He met with the family. 479 00:34:09,589 --> 00:34:13,634 They decided we have something here that needs to be fixed. 480 00:34:19,265 --> 00:34:24,771 The Catholic Church gave us authorization to perform a minor exorcism. 481 00:34:28,983 --> 00:34:32,487 They invited my family to St. Joseph's Church in Brookfield. 482 00:34:34,572 --> 00:34:38,201 I didn't think anything bad could happen, 'cause I'm in the house of God. 483 00:34:39,994 --> 00:34:43,748 The priest, Father Virgulak, warned us. He said, "These exorcisms, 484 00:34:43,831 --> 00:34:47,710 they could be so intense that death can happen." 485 00:34:49,420 --> 00:34:51,214 And that was very frightening. 486 00:34:53,174 --> 00:34:54,675 But we didn't have a choice. 487 00:34:54,759 --> 00:34:55,959 Let us pray. 488 00:34:56,010 --> 00:34:59,013 In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. 489 00:34:59,597 --> 00:35:01,766 It starts out similar to a... a mass. 490 00:35:01,849 --> 00:35:05,228 Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name... 491 00:35:05,311 --> 00:35:07,814 I just remember being there, in the church, 492 00:35:08,898 --> 00:35:11,609 and that they said the prayers. That's all I remember. 493 00:35:11,692 --> 00:35:16,155 Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our trespasses... 494 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:19,408 All of a sudden, the whole room dropped to ice-cold. 495 00:35:25,623 --> 00:35:27,708 We immediately realized something was wrong. 496 00:35:27,792 --> 00:35:31,379 Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us... 497 00:35:31,462 --> 00:35:34,549 Within minutes, David's behavior started to change. 498 00:35:42,223 --> 00:35:45,643 He started growling, hissing, calling the priest all kinds of names. 499 00:35:45,726 --> 00:35:48,062 Fat dick, pork chop. 500 00:35:48,146 --> 00:35:49,897 You'll die. 501 00:35:50,815 --> 00:35:52,275 David shook and shuddered. 502 00:35:54,443 --> 00:35:55,778 His features changed. 503 00:35:58,114 --> 00:36:02,034 You're watching his body jerk from side to side. 504 00:36:02,118 --> 00:36:05,496 Fuck you and your shit! 505 00:36:08,958 --> 00:36:12,044 Then he would break free and... and try to attack Father Virgulak, 506 00:36:12,128 --> 00:36:14,213 so we had to pin him down. 507 00:36:14,714 --> 00:36:17,216 I remember holding on to his leg. 508 00:36:18,467 --> 00:36:20,344 Ed Warren holding onto the other one. 509 00:36:20,428 --> 00:36:23,222 It is now a time with... 510 00:36:23,306 --> 00:36:26,642 He would move his body in positions that you shouldn't be able to bend. 511 00:36:27,685 --> 00:36:30,980 As I would hold him down, I would tell him how Jesus loves him. 512 00:36:31,772 --> 00:36:34,483 You are weak. Jesus is a lot stronger than you are. 513 00:36:35,067 --> 00:36:37,153 You... You are so weak. 514 00:36:37,236 --> 00:36:40,406 God, this is God's child. You can't hurt God's child. 515 00:36:40,489 --> 00:36:42,783 Jesus is gonna die in hell. 516 00:36:42,867 --> 00:36:44,928 Mommy loves you. 517 00:36:46,162 --> 00:36:48,748 It knew that this was the final blowdown. 518 00:36:49,332 --> 00:36:52,627 He needs a crucifix. You can give it to me. It's been blessed. 519 00:36:52,710 --> 00:36:55,922 Arne had taken the crucifix and placed it on his forehead. 520 00:36:56,005 --> 00:36:58,591 He's on your head. 521 00:36:58,674 --> 00:36:59,926 You could see it sizzle. 522 00:37:00,426 --> 00:37:02,613 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ... 523 00:37:03,679 --> 00:37:06,098 At one point, his tongue swelled up so much 524 00:37:06,182 --> 00:37:08,559 that he couldn't breathe. 525 00:37:08,643 --> 00:37:09,810 He turned blue. 526 00:37:09,894 --> 00:37:12,063 Everybody's screaming. We gotta stop. 527 00:37:13,522 --> 00:37:16,234 You feel helpless, empty. 528 00:37:17,610 --> 00:37:20,613 I yelled at this thing to the top of my lungs. 529 00:37:20,696 --> 00:37:24,075 I said, "Leave this little kid alone. Take me on." 530 00:37:24,158 --> 00:37:26,118 "I'm here. Take me on." 531 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,332 I felt this coldness come over me. 532 00:37:31,415 --> 00:37:32,250 Ice-cold. 533 00:37:33,709 --> 00:37:37,004 Lorraine said, "Oh my God. What did you do?" 534 00:37:40,132 --> 00:37:42,426 Ed goes, "Uh, you... you can't do this." 535 00:37:42,510 --> 00:37:46,347 You don't challenge any kind of demonic entity, ever. 536 00:37:47,056 --> 00:37:48,099 We didn't know any better. 537 00:37:48,182 --> 00:37:50,184 He thought he was just trying to help David. 538 00:37:52,603 --> 00:37:56,524 I remember my grandfather saying to him, "You shouldn't say that." 539 00:37:56,607 --> 00:38:00,236 "That just opens the door for you to be attacked." 540 00:38:00,778 --> 00:38:01,821 And he was right. 541 00:38:04,740 --> 00:38:07,743 But we felt that it was over. 542 00:38:08,577 --> 00:38:10,288 David was exorcised. 543 00:38:27,888 --> 00:38:30,057 I remember I was happy. 544 00:38:31,767 --> 00:38:34,979 I spent a lot of time just playing outside, 545 00:38:36,731 --> 00:38:39,859 trying to be a good kid, be the good boy of the family. 546 00:38:42,820 --> 00:38:44,155 My mom, she baked, 547 00:38:45,114 --> 00:38:46,532 feed us, keep us happy. 548 00:38:49,035 --> 00:38:52,413 We thought we were going to have a new start. 549 00:38:55,416 --> 00:38:57,293 And it didn't work out that way. 550 00:39:11,223 --> 00:39:15,019 {\an8}I was aware that there were strange things, 551 00:39:15,102 --> 00:39:18,397 {\an8}demonic things, allegedly happening at the Glatzel house. 552 00:39:19,857 --> 00:39:23,486 Some of the police officers had gotten noise complaints there or something. 553 00:39:23,569 --> 00:39:25,613 I was a detective on duty, 554 00:39:25,696 --> 00:39:28,824 and Ed and Lorraine Warren came to the old police department 555 00:39:28,908 --> 00:39:30,409 on Grays Bridge Road. 556 00:39:31,744 --> 00:39:35,956 Ed Warren introduced himself as a demonologist, 557 00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,542 and Lorraine Warren introduced herself as a psychic. 558 00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:42,922 Lorraine was upset. 559 00:39:43,005 --> 00:39:47,551 She went on to tell me that during one of the actual exorcisms, 560 00:39:47,635 --> 00:39:50,888 Arne Cheyenne Johnson challenged the devil 561 00:39:50,971 --> 00:39:53,808 to leave David Glatzel and take him on. 562 00:39:53,891 --> 00:39:56,185 Lorraine was very upset about that. 563 00:39:56,268 --> 00:40:00,022 She says, "He should not have done that. You cannot do that." 564 00:40:00,106 --> 00:40:02,566 "He does not know what he's up against." 565 00:40:02,650 --> 00:40:08,072 And she said, "I see serious injury or death with a knife." 566 00:40:08,572 --> 00:40:11,450 She wanted to put us on notice that a crime could occur. 567 00:40:11,534 --> 00:40:13,261 That she actually... I want to make it clear. 568 00:40:13,285 --> 00:40:16,205 She said, "I see this happening as a psychic." 569 00:40:16,789 --> 00:40:20,126 She was matter-of-fact. She didn't look bizarre. 570 00:40:20,209 --> 00:40:21,877 She didn't act bizarre. 571 00:40:22,753 --> 00:40:26,757 I thought she was relating what she really believed, 572 00:40:26,841 --> 00:40:29,093 and to her, it was real. 573 00:40:29,176 --> 00:40:33,556 And lo and behold, apparently, it was real. 574 00:40:41,105 --> 00:40:45,317 My sister took a job at the kennels in Brookfield. 575 00:40:47,194 --> 00:40:48,946 She wanted to start a life with Arne. 576 00:40:50,072 --> 00:40:51,198 I'm a dog groomer. 577 00:40:51,282 --> 00:40:56,120 {\an8}My boss was Alan Bono, who became a friend of Arne's and mine. 578 00:40:57,204 --> 00:40:59,415 Arne and I ended up getting an apartment, 579 00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,209 and the apartment came with the job and so on. 580 00:41:05,588 --> 00:41:09,758 {\an8}Oh, we were really excited about being... to be able to live together. 581 00:41:09,842 --> 00:41:12,928 {\an8}We were able to take a deep breath and let things calm down 582 00:41:13,012 --> 00:41:16,765 after all the trial and tribulation we'd just been through. 583 00:41:18,601 --> 00:41:22,229 We felt a sense of relief. Like, "Oh, it's finally over." 584 00:41:22,313 --> 00:41:24,648 "It's over. Now we can get some peace." 585 00:41:32,156 --> 00:41:35,367 Remember that when you challenge the demonic, 586 00:41:36,076 --> 00:41:39,955 it doesn't act at that particular given time. 587 00:41:40,539 --> 00:41:43,918 It waits until you are the most vulnerable, 588 00:41:44,001 --> 00:41:45,794 then it strikes. 589 00:41:53,928 --> 00:41:56,972 I didn't feel that well when we got up that morning, Debbie and I. 590 00:41:57,473 --> 00:41:59,016 I felt a little ill. 591 00:42:00,059 --> 00:42:02,811 We traveled down to Bridgeport to pick up my sisters 592 00:42:02,895 --> 00:42:05,773 'cause we had plans on that weekend to spend time with them. 593 00:42:08,150 --> 00:42:12,863 We got together with Alan Bono at lunch, so we had a couple glasses of wine. 594 00:42:13,364 --> 00:42:17,368 But you could see that Alan was getting a little inebriated. 595 00:42:17,451 --> 00:42:18,702 And I just said to Debbie, 596 00:42:18,786 --> 00:42:20,746 I looked at Debbie and I turned and I said, 597 00:42:20,829 --> 00:42:23,415 "Deb, why don't we just leave? I think it's a good time to leave 598 00:42:23,499 --> 00:42:25,219 and take the girls out of this environment." 599 00:42:25,251 --> 00:42:27,586 Nothing bad was happening, 600 00:42:27,670 --> 00:42:29,672 but he was just getting a little boisterous 601 00:42:29,755 --> 00:42:32,675 and this and that, and I didn't want my sisters to be around that. 602 00:42:33,384 --> 00:42:35,302 We started walking down the stairs, 603 00:42:36,762 --> 00:42:40,599 and then I personally don't remember anything after that. 604 00:42:47,147 --> 00:42:49,567 I think it was maybe seven or eight o'clock at night. 605 00:42:51,694 --> 00:42:53,445 And I remember the phone rang. 606 00:43:00,411 --> 00:43:02,913 - Hello? - My sister was on the phone crying. 607 00:43:04,540 --> 00:43:09,253 Before she can say anything, I had a vision of a man... 608 00:43:10,337 --> 00:43:11,171 dead. 609 00:43:13,674 --> 00:43:15,342 David, get Mom! Get Mom! 610 00:43:15,426 --> 00:43:19,471 Next thing you know, within ten seconds, my mom's screaming. So I'm like, "Oh God." 611 00:43:24,143 --> 00:43:27,771 She told my dad, "Get in the car. We gotta go to the kennel." 612 00:43:29,857 --> 00:43:33,319 David told me that Alan Bono's dead. 613 00:43:34,570 --> 00:43:36,322 "How? What? What are you talking about?" 614 00:43:37,364 --> 00:43:40,409 David said, "Arne Cheyenne Johnson was possessed." 615 00:43:42,161 --> 00:43:44,204 "It's the beast. He killed him." 616 00:43:47,625 --> 00:43:49,752 I got a call from dispatch. 617 00:43:49,835 --> 00:43:52,046 I was told that there was a serious stabbing. 618 00:43:52,671 --> 00:43:54,590 We're calling all hands on deck. 619 00:43:56,967 --> 00:44:00,596 Deborah Glatzel told arriving police patrol units 620 00:44:01,096 --> 00:44:03,474 that Arne and Alan had been drinking. 621 00:44:04,350 --> 00:44:09,813 In the apartment, there was an argument, and it developed into a physical fight. 622 00:44:09,897 --> 00:44:14,985 Ended out on the front lawn of the kennel about 13, 15 feet from the front door. 623 00:44:16,779 --> 00:44:20,616 During this fight, Arne pulled out a knife that he had in a sheath, 624 00:44:21,867 --> 00:44:25,663 and he repeatedly stabbed Alan Bono. 625 00:44:27,331 --> 00:44:29,875 Alan Bono fell mortally wounded. 626 00:44:32,795 --> 00:44:36,090 Debbie Glatzel, uh, was very distraught, 627 00:44:36,173 --> 00:44:38,676 relayed that Arne took off to the woods, 628 00:44:38,759 --> 00:44:42,596 and that she thought he was gonna head to the family home 629 00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,516 on, uh, Oak Grove Road, which is not very far away. 630 00:44:50,354 --> 00:44:52,648 I just had this image of Arne. 631 00:44:54,108 --> 00:44:57,069 And I could see him heading towards my house in Brookfield. 632 00:44:58,654 --> 00:45:02,408 And then I knew right away Arne was possessed by the devil. 633 00:45:09,790 --> 00:45:11,750 My brother panicked. 634 00:45:13,168 --> 00:45:16,714 He's dragging the bureau, with me, over to the door. 635 00:45:16,797 --> 00:45:20,050 We've locked the door and secured it with a bureau because he's like, 636 00:45:20,134 --> 00:45:21,635 "He's coming to kill me." 637 00:45:25,889 --> 00:45:29,143 Never in my life was I afraid of Arne Cheyenne Johnson, 638 00:45:29,226 --> 00:45:30,102 not at all. 639 00:45:30,185 --> 00:45:33,021 But when David told me he was under demonic possession, 640 00:45:33,856 --> 00:45:35,482 I was scared shitless. 641 00:45:39,611 --> 00:45:44,032 The ambulance driver, returning from taking Alan Bono to the hospital, 642 00:45:44,616 --> 00:45:47,619 he saw a suspect matching the description, 643 00:45:48,537 --> 00:45:52,875 called the police department, and they took him into custody. 644 00:45:55,961 --> 00:46:00,799 If it wasn't for that ambulance driver, I or my brother David could be dead today. 645 00:46:06,346 --> 00:46:09,141 I was assigned to process Arne Cheyenne Johnson. 646 00:46:09,224 --> 00:46:13,145 I took his fingerprints. Uh, I gave him his rights per Miranda. 647 00:46:14,605 --> 00:46:20,402 {\an8}He just looked like he was in trouble, been involved in a fight, disheveled. 648 00:46:20,486 --> 00:46:21,737 {\an8}Things weren't right. 649 00:46:23,739 --> 00:46:26,074 I was totally exhausted. I couldn't even stand up. 650 00:46:26,158 --> 00:46:27,284 I was on this bench. 651 00:46:28,827 --> 00:46:33,290 And I asked him. I said, "Why am I here? What's going on? What's going on?" 652 00:46:33,373 --> 00:46:36,460 And he said, "Well, you just killed your friend." 653 00:46:37,252 --> 00:46:38,504 I said, "I did not." 654 00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:43,926 I... I totally did not believe that. I said, "You're totally wrong." 655 00:46:44,009 --> 00:46:46,011 "Alan's fine. We left the house." 656 00:46:46,094 --> 00:46:49,097 He goes, "No, he's dead, and you killed him." 657 00:46:51,016 --> 00:46:54,144 There was no crying. There was no "I'm sorry." 658 00:46:54,228 --> 00:46:56,313 It's, "I just don't know what's going on." 659 00:46:56,396 --> 00:46:59,858 He couldn't recall anything about the murder. 660 00:47:02,110 --> 00:47:03,529 I've never hurt anybody. 661 00:47:04,488 --> 00:47:05,489 Never. 662 00:47:05,572 --> 00:47:08,283 I've never been arrested for anything. 663 00:47:09,076 --> 00:47:11,745 So... And I said that to them. And I said, 664 00:47:11,829 --> 00:47:14,248 "There's no way I did this. You got the wrong person." 665 00:47:20,003 --> 00:47:23,465 {\an8}In the case of David Glatzel, when Arne Johnson became possessed 666 00:47:23,549 --> 00:47:27,553 {\an8}as a result of his assisting and in challenging the demonic entity, 667 00:47:27,636 --> 00:47:28,804 this is a possibility. 668 00:47:28,887 --> 00:47:32,933 I have seen in the literature. They call this "transmigration," 669 00:47:33,475 --> 00:47:37,938 and this is where a diabolical spirit might go from a possessed person 670 00:47:38,021 --> 00:47:40,274 to someone who is maybe present during an exorcism. 671 00:47:43,694 --> 00:47:45,237 A defense attorney in Connecticut 672 00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:48,198 will try to prove his client is not guilty of murder 673 00:47:48,282 --> 00:47:49,992 because the 19-year-old defendant 674 00:47:50,075 --> 00:47:53,370 allegedly said that he was possessed by the devil at the time of the killing. 675 00:47:53,453 --> 00:47:56,081 Nineteen-year-old Arne Cheyenne Johnson, 676 00:47:56,164 --> 00:47:57,958 with no previous history of violence, 677 00:47:58,041 --> 00:48:01,378 is charged with the knifing murder of his landlord, Alan Bono, 678 00:48:01,461 --> 00:48:05,257 and claims he was possessed by demons at the time and doesn't remember doing it. 679 00:48:06,884 --> 00:48:09,845 His lover, Deborah Glatzel, who was there when it happened 680 00:48:09,928 --> 00:48:12,139 and whose 11-year-old brother was said to be possessed, 681 00:48:12,222 --> 00:48:14,224 gave her account of what happened. 682 00:48:14,308 --> 00:48:17,978 {\an8}I did not see no stabbing take place. I was right in the middle of it. 683 00:48:18,061 --> 00:48:19,438 {\an8}What did you witness? 684 00:48:19,938 --> 00:48:23,275 Um, just a lot of pushing and shoving. 685 00:48:23,358 --> 00:48:24,443 Then what? 686 00:48:24,943 --> 00:48:27,070 And then, all hell broke loose. 687 00:48:28,196 --> 00:48:30,616 Debbie felt that it would be proven, 688 00:48:31,283 --> 00:48:35,704 felt very positive that we were gonna be able to prove demonic possession. 689 00:48:36,288 --> 00:48:38,290 After what we've all been through, 690 00:48:38,999 --> 00:48:42,085 it should tell everyone that the devil is for real. 691 00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:44,920 Johnson's attorney, Martin Minnella, 692 00:48:44,963 --> 00:48:47,007 made no mention of demons in the courtroom. 693 00:48:47,090 --> 00:48:49,509 {\an8}Until we have the results of the pathologist's report, 694 00:48:49,593 --> 00:48:54,556 {\an8}our own pathologist's report, and the autopsy, we can't do anything. 695 00:48:55,140 --> 00:48:58,393 I was not a believer in the paranormal. 696 00:48:58,477 --> 00:49:04,983 {\an8}So before I really got too much involved, I said I wanted to do some research. 697 00:49:07,694 --> 00:49:10,280 Ed and Lorraine Warren told me, 698 00:49:10,364 --> 00:49:13,659 "It wasn't Arne Johnson himself." 699 00:49:13,742 --> 00:49:18,705 "It was the demon who took over Arne's body 700 00:49:19,206 --> 00:49:21,166 and killed Alan Bono." 701 00:49:23,085 --> 00:49:25,921 My partner thought they were crackpots 702 00:49:26,004 --> 00:49:30,050 and said, "Listen, stay as far away from this case as you can." 703 00:49:30,133 --> 00:49:32,010 But I wanted to hear more. 704 00:49:32,094 --> 00:49:34,805 Outside, it looks like a quaint New England home. 705 00:49:34,888 --> 00:49:38,475 Inside, it resembles a set from a Hollywood horror movie. 706 00:49:38,558 --> 00:49:41,436 It's a museum documenting paranormal activity. 707 00:49:41,937 --> 00:49:45,357 And Ed and Lorraine Warren say everything you see comes from real events. 708 00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:49,653 You're in a building right now which houses probably, uh... 709 00:49:49,736 --> 00:49:53,740 the most dangerous items of a preternatural nature in the world. 710 00:49:55,450 --> 00:49:58,787 Down in a room where they had all these artifacts, 711 00:49:59,287 --> 00:50:03,291 {\an8}including a doll, which they said, "Don't ever touch that doll." 712 00:50:03,375 --> 00:50:05,585 {\an8}Doll's name was Annabelle, I believe. 713 00:50:06,795 --> 00:50:08,922 They played me these tapes. 714 00:50:10,340 --> 00:50:12,092 Stay there! 715 00:50:12,175 --> 00:50:13,719 - No! - Yes! 716 00:50:14,469 --> 00:50:16,722 Stay there! 717 00:50:16,805 --> 00:50:19,766 The Warrens showed me all the evidence they had. 718 00:50:21,601 --> 00:50:23,103 Open your eyes, David. 719 00:50:23,729 --> 00:50:27,858 And, to me, it was very credible and believable. 720 00:50:29,192 --> 00:50:31,737 I believed in the story, 721 00:50:31,820 --> 00:50:34,364 I believed in the defense, 722 00:50:34,448 --> 00:50:38,785 and I also believed there probably wasn't another lawyer in the state 723 00:50:39,286 --> 00:50:42,456 that would represent him with this defense. 724 00:50:44,249 --> 00:50:45,834 "The devil made me do it." 725 00:50:46,418 --> 00:50:50,255 That's precisely what criminal lawyer Martin Minnella says he will try to prove 726 00:50:50,338 --> 00:50:52,174 when his client comes to trial. 727 00:50:52,257 --> 00:50:58,472 The nature of our defense is one that has been used in England. 728 00:50:58,555 --> 00:51:03,060 It's never been used in the United States, the defense of demonic possession. 729 00:51:03,143 --> 00:51:06,063 {\an8}An indictment against Arne Johnson, who lived upstairs here, 730 00:51:06,146 --> 00:51:07,856 is expected March 19th. 731 00:51:07,939 --> 00:51:10,567 Already, three cases have been tried in England. 732 00:51:10,650 --> 00:51:12,944 Two on charges of arson, one on rape. 733 00:51:13,028 --> 00:51:17,449 The verdict in all cases, not guilty by reason of demonic possession. 734 00:51:17,949 --> 00:51:20,285 {\an8}In my 15-year journalism career, 735 00:51:20,368 --> 00:51:23,330 {\an8}this was by far the most bizarre story I ever covered. 736 00:51:23,413 --> 00:51:24,873 Lorraine and Ed Warren, 737 00:51:24,956 --> 00:51:28,210 known as long-time students and lecturers on matters occult. 738 00:51:28,794 --> 00:51:32,255 The Warrens argue it was the demonic influence now inside Johnson 739 00:51:32,339 --> 00:51:33,882 that drove him to kill. 740 00:51:33,965 --> 00:51:38,011 The whole issue of demonic possession from a reporter's perspective 741 00:51:38,095 --> 00:51:40,097 is... is terribly difficult. 742 00:51:40,180 --> 00:51:43,058 Uh, because you, uh, cannot prove it. 743 00:51:43,141 --> 00:51:44,976 You cannot disprove it. 744 00:51:45,060 --> 00:51:49,356 Uh, the best you can do as a good reporter is to try and find facts. 745 00:51:50,982 --> 00:51:54,820 Six days after the stabbing, I was, uh, introduced to the Warrens. 746 00:51:58,031 --> 00:51:59,199 We had made arrangements. 747 00:51:59,282 --> 00:52:01,910 They were gonna let me have some audio tapes. 748 00:52:01,993 --> 00:52:05,664 And that I would be free to put these on, uh, the two radio stations 749 00:52:05,747 --> 00:52:07,541 if... if I wanted to do that. 750 00:52:08,375 --> 00:52:10,460 Good afternoon. This is Mike Allen. 751 00:52:10,544 --> 00:52:13,380 WINE News has obtained some rather dramatic tapes 752 00:52:13,463 --> 00:52:16,967 said to be associated with the so-called "devil made me do it" stabbing death 753 00:52:17,050 --> 00:52:18,050 in Brookfield. 754 00:52:18,552 --> 00:52:21,388 In the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, 755 00:52:21,471 --> 00:52:23,181 I command you to leave this boy. 756 00:52:23,265 --> 00:52:26,852 The cross is right on your forehead. You can't hurt God's child. 757 00:52:26,935 --> 00:52:29,146 Jesus is gonna die in hell. 758 00:52:29,229 --> 00:52:31,349 Mommy loves you. 759 00:52:33,150 --> 00:52:37,195 And I was anticipating that we would get a lot of phone calls 760 00:52:37,279 --> 00:52:39,364 from people saying, "Why did you put this on?" 761 00:52:39,447 --> 00:52:40,657 "You're horrendous." 762 00:52:41,741 --> 00:52:44,744 But most of the phone calls were, "When are you gonna play it again?" 763 00:52:47,289 --> 00:52:50,083 I was getting mail from across the country, 764 00:52:50,167 --> 00:52:53,920 uh, from psychics and... and people in the paranormal field 765 00:52:54,004 --> 00:52:55,881 offering their services to me. 766 00:52:55,964 --> 00:52:59,801 Then you would get to the non-believers, who are like, "Are you kidding?" 767 00:52:59,885 --> 00:53:01,887 "There was drinking. There was a stabbing." 768 00:53:01,970 --> 00:53:03,430 "This is an open-shut case." 769 00:53:03,513 --> 00:53:06,141 "Why are you even giving this airtime? This is ridiculous." 770 00:53:06,766 --> 00:53:08,446 On a visit to the murder site, 771 00:53:08,476 --> 00:53:11,563 none of the neighbors, including a priest who was involved in the case, 772 00:53:11,646 --> 00:53:12,772 wanted to talk about it. 773 00:53:13,273 --> 00:53:18,862 I did reach out to, uh, priests who were at the so-called exorcisms. 774 00:53:19,446 --> 00:53:23,241 So what I said to them was, "Look, there are allegations 775 00:53:23,825 --> 00:53:27,495 that during these ceremonies, furniture was flying around the room, 776 00:53:27,579 --> 00:53:30,665 that there was levitation observed." 777 00:53:30,749 --> 00:53:34,586 "Uh, all I'm asking you to do is to just say, 778 00:53:34,669 --> 00:53:36,671 'That's nonsense. It didn't happen.'" 779 00:53:36,755 --> 00:53:40,300 "And then we can all go on our way." They wouldn't say that. 780 00:53:41,551 --> 00:53:44,429 Ed, what do you say to somebody who says, 781 00:53:44,512 --> 00:53:47,599 "I just don't believe any of this." 782 00:53:47,682 --> 00:53:49,362 Well, I would hope you weren't on the jury. 783 00:53:50,685 --> 00:53:54,481 We can back up this case history with numerous other case histories 784 00:53:54,564 --> 00:53:57,776 which we've been involved with, and prove beyond a shadow of a doubt 785 00:53:57,859 --> 00:54:00,737 that preternatural phenomenon was taking place here. 786 00:54:13,667 --> 00:54:15,418 The photos look super happy. 787 00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:18,505 {\an8}I mean, I can't argue with you. 788 00:54:19,673 --> 00:54:23,343 {\an8}But there was... a different side when those doors closed. 789 00:54:23,426 --> 00:54:24,928 I can tell you that much. 790 00:54:28,139 --> 00:54:30,642 We were far from the normal, happy American family. 791 00:54:30,725 --> 00:54:32,143 My mother had her agenda. 792 00:54:32,227 --> 00:54:35,480 If things weren't going her way, she'd throw a tantrum. 793 00:54:37,732 --> 00:54:40,694 In front of people, she'd try to portray herself as a holy roller 794 00:54:40,777 --> 00:54:45,031 and all this other stuff, but that was not even close to reality. 795 00:54:45,615 --> 00:54:47,867 She didn't even go to church or any of this stuff 796 00:54:47,951 --> 00:54:49,411 until all this stuff with David. 797 00:54:49,494 --> 00:54:51,871 And when Lorraine Warren stepped in the picture, 798 00:54:51,955 --> 00:54:53,456 that's when everybody came like, 799 00:54:53,540 --> 00:54:55,643 "Oh, we gotta wear scapulars. We gotta wear rosaries." 800 00:54:55,667 --> 00:54:56,667 And... 801 00:54:56,710 --> 00:54:57,836 I wasn't buying it. 802 00:55:00,005 --> 00:55:03,383 I was 15 when my brother was supposedly possessed. 803 00:55:05,510 --> 00:55:08,179 I'd never talked before on camera or anything, 804 00:55:08,263 --> 00:55:13,810 and I just wanted the truth to come out because an innocent man got killed. 805 00:55:14,686 --> 00:55:17,063 And they wanna play it off "the devil made me do it"? 806 00:55:17,605 --> 00:55:21,192 It's just far from the truth. I know because I lived it. 807 00:55:31,995 --> 00:55:35,206 I was outside, and Ed and Lorraine arrived. 808 00:55:37,334 --> 00:55:40,253 Ed Warren, he says, "What's going on here?" 809 00:55:40,337 --> 00:55:43,548 And I said, "Honestly, I think my family is nuts." 810 00:55:47,927 --> 00:55:49,804 I remember saying that to Ed Warren. 811 00:55:53,892 --> 00:55:57,979 I didn't know what Ed and Lorraine Warren's agenda was in the beginning. 812 00:55:59,981 --> 00:56:03,568 I just sat back and watched, and things didn't sit right with me. 813 00:56:03,651 --> 00:56:05,445 What would you do if you were in charge? 814 00:56:05,528 --> 00:56:07,208 They'd sit down at the kitchen table 815 00:56:07,238 --> 00:56:08,365 to discuss David's issues. 816 00:56:08,948 --> 00:56:10,348 You don't like these things, right? 817 00:56:10,408 --> 00:56:11,659 - No. - No? 818 00:56:11,743 --> 00:56:12,744 They were saying, 819 00:56:12,827 --> 00:56:16,164 "Well, he can start cursing at you, spitting at you." 820 00:56:16,247 --> 00:56:18,750 "He'll grunt and growl like a savage." 821 00:56:19,751 --> 00:56:20,752 And my concern was, 822 00:56:20,835 --> 00:56:24,422 why talk about the subject when we're sitting right there? 823 00:56:26,049 --> 00:56:29,010 Have the kids go outside, go downstairs, go do something. 824 00:56:29,094 --> 00:56:33,098 But they wanted to make sure, you know, we heard it, and we did. 825 00:56:33,890 --> 00:56:36,351 Like you're leading them on what to do. 826 00:56:36,434 --> 00:56:38,770 What kind of things did he do when he wasn't David? 827 00:56:39,270 --> 00:56:41,707 - Spit, swear, started to swear. - He swore a lot. 828 00:56:41,731 --> 00:56:44,776 - Swear at the priest? - And me. Yeah, a lot was directed... 829 00:56:44,859 --> 00:56:47,445 You don't think David's smart enough to put that together? 830 00:56:48,029 --> 00:56:51,533 A couple of days later, David was doing just that, 831 00:56:51,616 --> 00:56:52,909 word for word. 832 00:56:54,035 --> 00:56:56,715 - All right, son. - You fucking cocksucker. 833 00:56:56,746 --> 00:56:57,997 I'll penalize you! 834 00:56:58,790 --> 00:56:59,666 David, stop it. 835 00:56:59,749 --> 00:57:01,835 You goddamn deserve to die! 836 00:57:01,918 --> 00:57:05,004 - You don't deserve to live! - David. David, calm down. 837 00:57:05,839 --> 00:57:07,215 You'll die! 838 00:57:07,757 --> 00:57:09,884 You fat frigging fucking bitch. 839 00:57:11,970 --> 00:57:15,056 In the beginning, the Warrens did come over a lot, 840 00:57:15,140 --> 00:57:16,724 like every other day. 841 00:57:16,808 --> 00:57:18,768 The first week, I think, they showed up every day. 842 00:57:18,852 --> 00:57:22,021 Mommy's here. Mommy's here. Come on, wake up. Come on, get up. 843 00:57:22,105 --> 00:57:24,274 Every night they had the cameras ready. 844 00:57:24,357 --> 00:57:26,627 - Get out of my son. - The microphones ready. 845 00:57:26,651 --> 00:57:29,487 - No! No! - I'm your mother. 846 00:57:29,529 --> 00:57:31,614 It turned into a show. 847 00:57:31,698 --> 00:57:34,284 Don't do that! 848 00:57:36,286 --> 00:57:40,290 David! Just get up! My God! Get up, come on! 849 00:57:41,082 --> 00:57:45,378 Instead of focusing their energy on helping David, record him. 850 00:57:47,422 --> 00:57:49,462 You know, everything could've been done differently. 851 00:57:51,384 --> 00:57:53,428 There was one incident one evening 852 00:57:53,511 --> 00:57:56,014 that my mother was screaming at David 853 00:57:56,097 --> 00:57:59,100 to stop it, and stop it and calm down, sit down. 854 00:57:59,184 --> 00:58:01,224 And he started calling her everything under the sun. 855 00:58:01,269 --> 00:58:03,189 You fat frigging fucking bitch. 856 00:58:03,229 --> 00:58:05,607 And all of a sudden, my father came out. 857 00:58:05,690 --> 00:58:07,710 - You don't deserve to live! - David... 858 00:58:07,734 --> 00:58:08,651 Get up! 859 00:58:08,735 --> 00:58:09,735 You hear "slap." 860 00:58:10,361 --> 00:58:12,121 Get over there and sit down. 861 00:58:12,155 --> 00:58:13,823 He goes, "Now I said to stop." 862 00:58:13,907 --> 00:58:16,159 Enough! No more. It's got to stop. 863 00:58:16,242 --> 00:58:21,498 And sure enough, the, uh, devil sat down and was very quiet. 864 00:58:22,499 --> 00:58:24,792 So I'm glad at least he listens to my father. 865 00:58:27,212 --> 00:58:29,589 Okay, one second. Okay, give me one... 866 00:58:31,466 --> 00:58:34,928 The night of the murder, my dad and I were working outside 867 00:58:35,011 --> 00:58:36,304 and my mother screamed, 868 00:58:37,889 --> 00:58:41,267 "We have to get to the kennel. Something happened. Debbie's hysterical." 869 00:58:41,351 --> 00:58:42,810 - We have to go. - All right. 870 00:58:51,778 --> 00:58:54,781 We get there, and Debbie's like, "Oh, there was a bad fight." 871 00:58:54,864 --> 00:58:57,033 "Alan got stabbed. He's over there." 872 00:58:59,035 --> 00:59:02,914 I saw Alan laying on his side. That's when I went over to him and rolled him over. 873 00:59:02,997 --> 00:59:04,207 Keep in mind, I'm 15 or... 874 00:59:04,290 --> 00:59:07,252 I don't know what to do. I never had to deal with this in my life. 875 00:59:07,752 --> 00:59:11,005 And I remember seeing the four stab wounds. Um, it was four. 876 00:59:12,298 --> 00:59:15,843 He was gasping for air. I just kept telling him, "Alan, hold on." 877 00:59:20,890 --> 00:59:23,685 So, you know, what are you gonna do? 878 00:59:23,768 --> 00:59:27,855 It's like you're, you know, you're... you're stuck. 879 00:59:27,939 --> 00:59:29,983 You know what I'm saying? It's just, uh... 880 00:59:31,067 --> 00:59:34,571 It's not a feeling I like to... You know, I don't even talk about it, to be honest. 881 00:59:34,654 --> 00:59:38,449 It's something I don't want to remember, because it was just something... 882 00:59:38,533 --> 00:59:42,579 You can't help somebody. You know, it's like... there was nothing I could do. 883 00:59:43,496 --> 00:59:45,999 It's just sad to see somebody die like that. 884 00:59:51,170 --> 00:59:52,589 The murder of Alan Bono, 885 00:59:52,672 --> 00:59:55,592 I never even thought it was connected to David. 886 00:59:56,968 --> 00:59:59,220 There's nothing demonic in this. 887 01:00:00,597 --> 01:00:03,433 Arne was very possessive of Debbie. 888 01:00:05,351 --> 01:00:07,312 There was speculations and rumors 889 01:00:07,395 --> 01:00:09,814 that Debbie was having an affair with Alan Bono. 890 01:00:11,190 --> 01:00:14,819 I remember Debbie Glatzel came to the police department, 891 01:00:15,403 --> 01:00:17,864 and she said, "You know, I'm hearing rumor 892 01:00:18,364 --> 01:00:23,077 that this murder was o-over a three-way, 893 01:00:23,161 --> 01:00:28,458 a triangle between myself and Alan Bono, uh, with Arne Cheyenne Johnson." 894 01:00:28,541 --> 01:00:32,211 And she says, "It wasn't." She says, "I had a relationship with Alan Bono." 895 01:00:32,295 --> 01:00:33,338 "That's over with, 896 01:00:33,421 --> 01:00:37,050 and this... this stabbing, this murder had nothing to do with that." 897 01:00:37,884 --> 01:00:40,762 A bizarre murder trial gets underway tomorrow in Danbury, Connecticut. 898 01:00:40,845 --> 01:00:43,723 The crux of this case is a claim of demonic possession. 899 01:00:43,806 --> 01:00:45,350 Jim Van Sickle reports. 900 01:00:46,309 --> 01:00:49,145 {\an8}Will the devil be present in this ancient courthouse 901 01:00:49,228 --> 01:00:50,897 in Danbury, Connecticut tomorrow? 902 01:00:51,481 --> 01:00:53,733 Might he take the stand at some point? 903 01:00:54,692 --> 01:00:57,528 I did not know that the trial was beginning. 904 01:00:58,029 --> 01:01:01,532 And on the first day of the trial, my parents actually gave me money 905 01:01:01,616 --> 01:01:05,620 just so I can basically skip school and go do what I want to do for the day. 906 01:01:06,204 --> 01:01:10,875 They were petrified of me getting involved in the story, 907 01:01:12,502 --> 01:01:13,795 because I knew... 908 01:01:15,922 --> 01:01:17,298 this is all fabricated. 909 01:01:38,319 --> 01:01:41,614 We, as a family, thought Arne would be found innocent 910 01:01:43,116 --> 01:01:46,327 because we were going to have the priest 911 01:01:46,411 --> 01:01:49,706 and the Warrens and all the evidence we gathered, 912 01:01:49,789 --> 01:01:52,083 the audio recordings, the photographs, 913 01:01:52,166 --> 01:01:57,338 and be able to show the court Arne did not commit murder, 914 01:01:57,422 --> 01:02:00,925 um, he was possessed 'cause he challenged the beast. 915 01:02:03,553 --> 01:02:07,306 The prosecution was pushing for a maximum sentence 916 01:02:07,390 --> 01:02:08,891 for a guilty conviction. 917 01:02:08,975 --> 01:02:11,728 {\an8}This is a case which, uh, the media has 918 01:02:11,811 --> 01:02:16,441 {\an8}and the Warrens have, uh, spent a good deal of time publicizing, 919 01:02:16,524 --> 01:02:19,777 uh, for their own, I would suspect, financial interest. 920 01:02:19,861 --> 01:02:23,156 But as far as I am concerned, this is a, uh, routine, 921 01:02:23,239 --> 01:02:26,242 to the extent it's possible to have a routine homicide. 922 01:02:26,325 --> 01:02:30,705 To come out and say this was just a bunch of baloney, 923 01:02:30,788 --> 01:02:36,502 that we were trying to cover up just a simple murder case. 924 01:02:36,586 --> 01:02:41,299 If Arne had been convicted of murder, he was facing 25 to life. 925 01:02:45,303 --> 01:02:48,431 Getting inside the courthouse was extremely difficult. 926 01:02:48,514 --> 01:02:49,891 It was standing room only. 927 01:02:52,518 --> 01:02:54,270 Nobody knew what exactly to expect. 928 01:02:54,353 --> 01:02:57,273 It was almost like a... a showdown was going to occur 929 01:02:57,356 --> 01:03:01,319 with Martin Minnella coming in with this demonic possession defense, 930 01:03:01,402 --> 01:03:04,363 and Judge Robert Callahan having to make a ruling 931 01:03:04,447 --> 01:03:06,574 on whether he was going to admit it or not. 932 01:03:07,658 --> 01:03:10,119 It was a reality check, to be honest with you. 933 01:03:11,537 --> 01:03:14,791 Here I was, in court. Never been there before. 934 01:03:14,874 --> 01:03:16,292 Facing 25 to life. 935 01:03:17,627 --> 01:03:20,129 And it was, uh, surreal. Mmm. 936 01:03:24,509 --> 01:03:28,763 I believed that my client was going to get his day in court. 937 01:03:29,388 --> 01:03:34,519 Let the jury evaluate the credibility of what occurred. 938 01:03:34,602 --> 01:03:36,646 Not just believe in faith, 939 01:03:36,729 --> 01:03:41,067 believe in actual physical evidence and testimony, 940 01:03:41,609 --> 01:03:44,445 and then make their mind up based on this. 941 01:03:45,029 --> 01:03:46,739 But it never got that far. 942 01:03:47,490 --> 01:03:50,743 The judge listened to precedence, to arguments, and then he said 943 01:03:50,827 --> 01:03:54,622 that demonic possession is not an acceptable defense. 944 01:03:54,705 --> 01:03:57,458 It is irrelevant in this case and in courts in the United States. 945 01:03:57,542 --> 01:03:58,835 It is not a science, 946 01:03:58,918 --> 01:04:02,797 and he will permit no evidence on demonic possession and devils. 947 01:04:03,297 --> 01:04:05,591 Jim Van Sickle, News 4, Danbury. 948 01:04:07,468 --> 01:04:08,594 I was devastated. 949 01:04:10,638 --> 01:04:14,058 And you can hear all the sighs from the family. Like, "Oh my God." 950 01:04:14,559 --> 01:04:17,854 In court, you had to put your hand on the Bible and swear on the Bible. 951 01:04:18,354 --> 01:04:20,439 But that's okay. But other than that, 952 01:04:20,523 --> 01:04:24,026 they don't believe anything in... in supernatural or... or the devil. 953 01:04:25,653 --> 01:04:26,988 So how does that work? 954 01:04:27,822 --> 01:04:29,073 Right in front of me, 955 01:04:29,574 --> 01:04:34,829 the five or six Catholic priests who were there got up in unison, 956 01:04:34,912 --> 01:04:36,789 it was almost like it was rehearsed, 957 01:04:36,873 --> 01:04:39,584 and marched out, never to be heard from again. 958 01:04:39,667 --> 01:04:43,045 And the church didn't comment on this case, uh, going forward. 959 01:04:44,630 --> 01:04:46,173 I felt abandoned. 960 01:04:47,300 --> 01:04:50,136 Didn't have the chance to tell the whole truth. 961 01:04:51,554 --> 01:04:56,225 But they would never allow the truth, so... felt lost. 962 01:04:56,976 --> 01:04:58,352 Wha... What do we do now? 963 01:04:58,978 --> 01:05:01,731 The trial in Danbury resumes tomorrow. 964 01:05:08,613 --> 01:05:13,326 It became a very difficult case then for the defense to argue 965 01:05:14,368 --> 01:05:18,956 because you had the signed statements with the police of his sisters, 966 01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:21,876 who said they saw Arne stab Alan. 967 01:05:21,959 --> 01:05:23,799 And if you couldn't say, "Yeah, but he did that 968 01:05:23,878 --> 01:05:27,381 because of demonic possession," uh, you're left with, "He stabbed him." 969 01:05:30,217 --> 01:05:32,887 Martin Minnella told me that the only thing we can really go for 970 01:05:32,970 --> 01:05:34,430 is self-defense. 971 01:05:36,390 --> 01:05:39,101 And he goes, "That's the plea we're going to present." 972 01:05:40,311 --> 01:05:43,564 Not guilty of murder in the first degree. Manslaughter. 973 01:05:45,691 --> 01:05:49,195 The problem is, self-defense isn't retaliation. 974 01:05:49,695 --> 01:05:52,239 In other words, if somebody came at you, 975 01:05:52,323 --> 01:05:56,953 you might stab him once, maybe twice, but not a number of times. 976 01:05:57,036 --> 01:05:58,704 Because if you do that, 977 01:05:59,747 --> 01:06:02,041 self-defense goes out the window. 978 01:06:04,001 --> 01:06:07,088 To suddenly say that it was self-defense, 979 01:06:07,171 --> 01:06:11,050 when it wasn't put forward as that at the beginning, 980 01:06:11,133 --> 01:06:13,636 um, certainly seemed unusual. 981 01:06:14,679 --> 01:06:18,224 That was the only way that I would have a chance 982 01:06:18,307 --> 01:06:19,809 not to get 25 to life. 983 01:06:21,185 --> 01:06:22,687 I had to take the stand. 984 01:06:24,563 --> 01:06:26,482 It was kind of difficult to take the stand 985 01:06:26,565 --> 01:06:28,734 because I really didn't remember what happened. 986 01:06:29,777 --> 01:06:31,445 And that's what I told them. 987 01:06:32,738 --> 01:06:33,823 I think everybody felt 988 01:06:33,906 --> 01:06:37,535 this was just a very unfortunate story on so many different levels. 989 01:06:37,618 --> 01:06:40,121 But at the same time, there was somebody who was dead 990 01:06:40,204 --> 01:06:44,125 and somebody who had caused that death, and justice had to be done. 991 01:06:57,471 --> 01:06:59,473 There was tension in the family. 992 01:07:00,516 --> 01:07:04,353 My sister was... was horrified that he was gonna be convicted of murder, 993 01:07:04,437 --> 01:07:06,897 and he'd spend the rest of his life in jail. 994 01:07:09,483 --> 01:07:13,279 I was brought up to the courtroom. The room was filled. 995 01:07:14,238 --> 01:07:17,950 The judge came, and he got the verdict from the foreman of the jury. 996 01:07:19,994 --> 01:07:21,912 I was very nervous and terrified. 997 01:07:25,499 --> 01:07:29,545 The verdict was not guilty of murder in the first degree, 998 01:07:29,628 --> 01:07:32,131 guilty of manslaughter in the first degree. 999 01:07:34,759 --> 01:07:36,427 Then we came to sentencing. 1000 01:07:37,261 --> 01:07:40,306 I remember Judge Callahan's words to this day. 1001 01:07:44,560 --> 01:07:48,022 "I have no alternative but to give you the maximum sentence allowed." 1002 01:07:48,105 --> 01:07:51,734 "Ten to 20 years to a maximum-security prison." 1003 01:07:54,945 --> 01:07:59,033 When I was handed the sentence, Debbie jumped up and told the judge, 1004 01:07:59,784 --> 01:08:02,912 "Callahan," she goes, "you're sick. You're insane." 1005 01:08:03,996 --> 01:08:06,332 And then she just went running, crying. 1006 01:08:09,543 --> 01:08:12,171 When I was exiting the courthouse, 1007 01:08:12,254 --> 01:08:16,759 Debbie broke through the camera people, ran up to me to give me a kiss. 1008 01:08:20,763 --> 01:08:23,432 And I told Debbie, I said, "I want you to go live your life 1009 01:08:23,516 --> 01:08:25,601 'cause I don't know what's gonna happen with mine." 1010 01:08:26,602 --> 01:08:28,270 "This way you still have a life." 1011 01:08:29,063 --> 01:08:31,690 She started to cry. She goes, "You don't love me." 1012 01:08:31,774 --> 01:08:34,401 I said, "I do love you. That's why I'm giving you freedom." 1013 01:08:35,069 --> 01:08:36,779 She goes, "No, I will never leave you." 1014 01:08:39,406 --> 01:08:41,283 I've always said it from the beginning. 1015 01:08:42,618 --> 01:08:43,661 Arne's innocent. 1016 01:08:47,456 --> 01:08:49,083 He's been to hell and back. 1017 01:08:57,758 --> 01:08:59,510 My mom was very upset about it. 1018 01:09:00,761 --> 01:09:03,764 She knew that he was under demonic possession. 1019 01:09:05,307 --> 01:09:06,976 He was a non-violent person. 1020 01:09:07,476 --> 01:09:10,020 She felt horrible for Arne. 1021 01:09:11,063 --> 01:09:13,732 My mom wanted the story told. 1022 01:09:15,401 --> 01:09:18,296 She wanted to tell the truth, and wanted people to know what was going on. 1023 01:09:21,407 --> 01:09:24,702 Seated next to me is a mother of a once-possessed child, 1024 01:09:24,785 --> 01:09:26,745 and she's here to share with us her story. 1025 01:09:26,829 --> 01:09:28,873 - How do you do? - Nice to have you. 1026 01:09:31,125 --> 01:09:32,751 Tell me how David is today. 1027 01:09:33,252 --> 01:09:35,880 Well, he's not possessed anymore. He's out of possession. 1028 01:09:35,963 --> 01:09:37,840 Right. Totally normal? 1029 01:09:37,923 --> 01:09:40,801 Totally normal, and, um... 1030 01:09:40,885 --> 01:09:42,636 Arne still has a lot of problems. 1031 01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:46,223 Here's a young man who is now in prison. 1032 01:09:46,307 --> 01:09:50,978 He is serving a ten-to 20-year sentence for manslaughter 1033 01:09:51,478 --> 01:09:54,148 for something he really is not responsible for. 1034 01:09:54,648 --> 01:09:59,695 After the trial, my mother ended up going to... Hollywood. 1035 01:10:06,285 --> 01:10:07,661 We all flew on a jet. 1036 01:10:09,622 --> 01:10:13,459 We got picked up in a limo and go on to dinner with Dick Clark. 1037 01:10:17,379 --> 01:10:19,423 She was enjoying it. She was very excited, 1038 01:10:19,506 --> 01:10:22,760 and she couldn't believe this was happening to her. 1039 01:10:24,595 --> 01:10:27,806 But Ed and Lorraine Warren had an agenda. 1040 01:10:29,642 --> 01:10:31,810 They said, "You guys will be millionaires." 1041 01:10:34,230 --> 01:10:37,066 The Warrens told me that they were gonna do a book. 1042 01:10:37,566 --> 01:10:39,443 They already had the author lined up, 1043 01:10:39,526 --> 01:10:42,071 which I guess he did a previous book for them. 1044 01:10:43,697 --> 01:10:46,242 They brought Mr. Brittle up to talk with us, 1045 01:10:47,201 --> 01:10:50,287 and they asked a... a bunch of questions. 1046 01:10:50,371 --> 01:10:51,705 Ed said, "Make it scary." 1047 01:10:51,789 --> 01:10:54,833 He goes, "But I checked with the people, and they said this didn't happen." 1048 01:10:54,917 --> 01:10:58,504 Ed goes, "Make it scary. People come to us. They buy scary." 1049 01:10:59,004 --> 01:11:01,131 Ed and Lorraine Warren took over. 1050 01:11:03,133 --> 01:11:06,387 Six months later, the Warrens show up with paperwork, 1051 01:11:06,470 --> 01:11:09,223 and my mom's like, "Should we get a lawyer?" 1052 01:11:09,306 --> 01:11:11,433 And Lorraine's like, "No, dear." 1053 01:11:11,517 --> 01:11:14,061 "William Morris Agency has a whole floor of lawyers." 1054 01:11:14,144 --> 01:11:17,273 Yes, they do. But it's not for them. It's for youse. 1055 01:11:20,067 --> 01:11:22,111 {\an8}- Hello. - Hi, Lorraine? Judy. 1056 01:11:22,194 --> 01:11:23,737 {\an8}- Hi, Judy. - How you doing? 1057 01:11:23,821 --> 01:11:24,697 {\an8}Good, dear. 1058 01:11:24,780 --> 01:11:26,907 {\an8}- Did you find out anything yet? - What, honey? 1059 01:11:26,991 --> 01:11:29,785 {\an8}- About the book or anything? - Everything is great. 1060 01:11:29,868 --> 01:11:30,911 Okay, good. 1061 01:11:30,995 --> 01:11:34,999 Because youse put so much work into this. We went through all the tragedy. 1062 01:11:35,082 --> 01:11:37,501 And I'll tell you, we need the money just like you do. 1063 01:11:39,795 --> 01:11:43,215 My mother and father received $4,500, 1064 01:11:44,341 --> 01:11:47,970 but Ed and Lorraine Warren received $81,000 and some change. 1065 01:11:49,638 --> 01:11:52,224 They're still making money on it with the Conjuring films. 1066 01:11:55,394 --> 01:11:57,771 Lorraine told me I was gonna be a rich little boy 1067 01:11:57,855 --> 01:11:59,440 from having this book deal. 1068 01:12:03,235 --> 01:12:04,820 And that was a lie. 1069 01:12:07,740 --> 01:12:10,242 The Warrens made a lot of money off of us. 1070 01:12:11,035 --> 01:12:14,163 If they can profit off you, they will. 1071 01:12:16,123 --> 01:12:17,833 They're not gonna pass up that deal. 1072 01:12:19,752 --> 01:12:20,952 When my mother realized 1073 01:12:21,003 --> 01:12:23,964 that she was getting, as she calls it, hoodwinked, 1074 01:12:25,424 --> 01:12:26,675 she lost faith in them. 1075 01:12:27,843 --> 01:12:29,178 They were good at what they did, 1076 01:12:29,261 --> 01:12:32,264 and they knew how to talk to people and knew how to play people. 1077 01:12:34,725 --> 01:12:36,352 They were very good con people. 1078 01:12:41,607 --> 01:12:44,693 My brother David felt guilty over the whole ordeal. 1079 01:12:45,361 --> 01:12:50,199 Heartbroken, actually, 'cause he knew that Arne was innocent. 1080 01:12:54,787 --> 01:12:58,165 I could've never made it through this time without Debbie's support. 1081 01:12:59,291 --> 01:13:00,793 The support gave me hope. 1082 01:13:02,086 --> 01:13:03,837 Then, in 1985, 1083 01:13:05,130 --> 01:13:07,925 we actually were married in the prison. 1084 01:13:09,051 --> 01:13:11,553 She looked real beautiful. She was radiant. 1085 01:13:13,138 --> 01:13:16,100 I couldn't wait to hold her. It was great. 1086 01:13:30,197 --> 01:13:34,243 This whole thing changed my life, brought me more to religion. 1087 01:13:36,662 --> 01:13:37,871 I am not possessed. 1088 01:13:38,539 --> 01:13:40,124 I never had an exorcism, 1089 01:13:41,041 --> 01:13:44,503 but I'm not possessed, and I know how to protect myself. 1090 01:13:45,003 --> 01:13:48,924 I know what prayers to say, so I'm very much in control. 1091 01:13:49,466 --> 01:13:51,009 My faith keeps me strong. 1092 01:13:52,094 --> 01:13:55,347 So everything seems to be fine. Life is moving forward. 1093 01:13:58,642 --> 01:14:02,521 I think this whole case affected the entire family. 1094 01:14:04,690 --> 01:14:06,150 It scarred everybody. 1095 01:14:09,194 --> 01:14:14,950 It's twisted all of our lives upside down, and it's difficult to talk about. 1096 01:14:15,033 --> 01:14:16,660 It's been over 40 years... 1097 01:14:18,454 --> 01:14:21,790 ...but it changed us 1098 01:14:23,167 --> 01:14:27,504 and has had long-lasting effects on everyone in the family. 1099 01:14:30,841 --> 01:14:33,760 We're at the point where we're basically all scattered. 1100 01:14:33,844 --> 01:14:36,305 You know, none of us really talk no more. 1101 01:14:44,730 --> 01:14:46,148 Seeing the pictures... 1102 01:14:47,900 --> 01:14:53,822 they make me scared again and very sad, because there's an 11-year-old boy 1103 01:14:53,906 --> 01:14:57,284 having a normal childhood until this happened. 1104 01:15:00,078 --> 01:15:01,914 I gotta deal with it every day. 1105 01:15:07,127 --> 01:15:10,380 Well, this story, you want to know who's telling the truth. 1106 01:15:16,261 --> 01:15:20,015 After my parents died, my wife and I were going through their belongings. 1107 01:15:20,849 --> 01:15:24,102 My mother wrote down everything. She had OCD. 1108 01:15:26,939 --> 01:15:30,609 It'd be on a piece of paper, a calendar, or whatever. She'd write notes down. 1109 01:15:35,072 --> 01:15:36,740 On this one note, it said, 1110 01:15:36,823 --> 01:15:39,743 "Well, the family had their medicine tonight, and everything was good." 1111 01:15:40,244 --> 01:15:42,329 As we looked into things, 1112 01:15:43,497 --> 01:15:46,542 we realized there's more to this medicine. 1113 01:15:50,879 --> 01:15:54,675 We found out that she was putting Sominex in our food. 1114 01:15:56,426 --> 01:15:59,596 And she's been giving it to the whole family for quite a long time. 1115 01:16:00,681 --> 01:16:03,058 Some people can fall asleep anyplace. 1116 01:16:03,141 --> 01:16:05,894 {\an8}But did simple tension keep you awake last night? 1117 01:16:05,978 --> 01:16:10,566 Take Sominex tonight and sleep. Sominex is absolutely not habit-forming. 1118 01:16:10,649 --> 01:16:16,154 {\an8}Just take two Sominex tablets as directed for 100% safe sleep and wake up refreshed. 1119 01:16:16,238 --> 01:16:20,409 I remember my mother serving us dinner. Her bowl was always separate from ours. 1120 01:16:20,492 --> 01:16:23,161 So if she had spaghetti, everybody eats out of the bowl. 1121 01:16:23,245 --> 01:16:24,246 She'd have hers separate. 1122 01:16:24,329 --> 01:16:26,249 It's like, "Want more?" She goes, "No, I'm good." 1123 01:16:28,792 --> 01:16:34,464 I believe my mother used Sominex to control all us boys and my dad. 1124 01:16:36,592 --> 01:16:40,178 At the end of the day, if everybody's tired and exhausted, 1125 01:16:40,762 --> 01:16:43,849 guess what? Everybody's gonna rest and sit down. There's no more problems. 1126 01:16:46,518 --> 01:16:50,147 But Sominex has long-lasting effects on people. 1127 01:16:50,856 --> 01:16:55,986 Mood swings, weight gain, and hallucinations. 1128 01:16:57,904 --> 01:16:59,406 It is very possible 1129 01:17:00,115 --> 01:17:04,536 that my brother David has ingested enough of this stuff over the years, 1130 01:17:04,620 --> 01:17:06,079 where he did see things. 1131 01:17:06,163 --> 01:17:07,443 I'll kill you. 1132 01:17:08,540 --> 01:17:10,542 Jesus is going to die in hell. 1133 01:17:11,084 --> 01:17:12,804 Or at least he thought he saw things. 1134 01:17:14,087 --> 01:17:16,423 I'll murder you, you bastard. 1135 01:17:16,923 --> 01:17:20,594 Between David, Arne, my brother Alan... 1136 01:17:22,095 --> 01:17:24,640 They were all victims at the end of the day. 1137 01:17:28,352 --> 01:17:30,562 My... My mother would not drug the family. 1138 01:17:31,480 --> 01:17:35,359 My mom took good care of us. 1139 01:17:37,319 --> 01:17:40,072 The truth is, when I was 11 years old, 1140 01:17:41,198 --> 01:17:45,994 I was possessed by a demonic spirit, I guess you can call it. 1141 01:17:47,454 --> 01:17:50,874 That's what the truth is. I have no reason to lie about anything. 1142 01:17:56,546 --> 01:17:59,341 I guess, like my dad, I go buy a piece of junk and I fix it. 1143 01:18:00,133 --> 01:18:02,844 Just stay occupied. Just stay busy. 1144 01:18:04,638 --> 01:18:07,641 Because idle hands make the devil's work. 1145 01:18:24,991 --> 01:18:30,205 ♪ Lorraine walked in the attic And I knew that she could tell ♪ 1146 01:18:30,288 --> 01:18:35,335 ♪ She said that something's joined us Something straight from hell ♪ 1147 01:18:36,920 --> 01:18:42,134 ♪ The men with dark faces Wearing yellow ties ♪ 1148 01:18:42,217 --> 01:18:47,305 ♪ Are holding their necks And questioning the skies ♪ 1149 01:18:48,598 --> 01:18:53,520 ♪ And, oh, not very far away Amidst the foggy night ♪ 1150 01:18:54,062 --> 01:18:59,109 ♪ Ed walks near old tombstones And a woman dressed in white ♪ 1151 01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:08,368 ♪ To little boys and little girls I hope you're listenin' still ♪ 1152 01:19:08,452 --> 01:19:13,331 ♪ Keep away from that house And the spirits on the hill ♪ 1153 01:19:15,041 --> 01:19:16,626 ♪ And the spirits ♪ 1154 01:19:17,586 --> 01:19:18,670 ♪ On the hill ♪ 1155 01:19:20,130 --> 01:19:21,715 ♪ And the spirits ♪ 1156 01:19:22,883 --> 01:19:23,967 ♪ On the hill ♪ 1157 01:19:25,761 --> 01:19:26,845 ♪ Spirits ♪ 1158 01:19:27,888 --> 01:19:29,139 ♪ On the hill ♪ 98593

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